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12 | El Fuerte de San Juan de Ula

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15:16 min | 1 year ago

12 | El Fuerte de San Juan de Ula

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De Donosti al cielo 415  Sebastin Alvaro, Xabier Alberdi

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41:07 min | 1 year ago

De Donosti al cielo 415 Sebastin Alvaro, Xabier Alberdi

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Too Late To Say Sorry?

Championship Drive

32:05 min | 1 year ago

Too Late To Say Sorry?

"Hey this is Kirk herbstreet. This team's GonNa need to change the momentum in a second half. Let's listen into the head coach to hear his halftime. Feet this to me. It all comes down to now. I WanNa let's see some fire a fire that could perfectly grill naked smoked sausage and I want to see more from you out there more flavor more condiments. This is a home gate it after all now start eating like you belong here okay now. I'm fired up ECKRICH. You do you the college football podcast with Herbie and pollick now. Here's here's your host Kevin Gandhi nothing better than the weekend being almost here football's right around the corner. Thanks for joining US appreciate the support from our listeners and if you like this podcast you can subscribe rate and review David Pollack joining us as we get ready for week three and it's a weird week. Don't have a top twenty twenty-five matchup something we don't normally see on the schedule especially coming off the type of weekend we had on paper last week but plenty of topics the cover and I want to start with you here. David because a week ago you and I were talking about maybe this is the end for Clay Helton at USC and then suddenly we have a true freshman quarterback backing heathen slave who suddenly hearing the MVP chance after what he pulled off in the second half against Stanford and now you as C. to know in a pack twelve all that looks a little more open after Washington loses in a late late late game at home. The cow after Oregon lost the week before USC faces faces Byu three thirty on ABC. How do you view the trojans now with slowness and this true freshman quarterback and Klay Health felt in this offense going forward first of all. It's abundantly clear that I owe slow was an apology good Lord. I thought I thought USC was done don new system now. have it a plug in a true freshman and it's just you're going to take your lumps and and let's be honest week week one when he when he came in and spot duty it wasn't pretty. I mean I think he's Qbr was like twenty four and then all of a sudden last week he breaks out like a ninety eight qbr. It looks like a different guy goes twenty eight of thirty three from four hundred yards against effort and I don't think Stanford's any good. I didn't think they were preseason either and they've they've kind of been slipping the last several years but that's still dadgum dadgum impressive. I don't care who you are so just unbelievable first of all really like with Graham heralds doing. I think he I think he gets it man. I think it's it's interesting interesting. It's not true era. He's got some he could tell he spent some time in the NFL and it's got wrinkles off of his stuff and really enjoy Graham. Herald think it was a good higher for for USC. The quarterback play will be ultra productive but the PAC twelve now with Washington losing to cow and Utah being the team. I think think that's GonNa carry the Mantel for the PAC twelve if they have any chance to make the playoffs. USC said wait a minute. Let me make the PAC twelve a little deeper and a little bit better and I think we'll find out about them. I think I think. Byu will be a test for them. They're small favourite versus. Byu and Byu is not going to let them line up in the football can Byu stay with the all the wide receivers in space and can USC stopped Byu Byu should have been to go but they are should be too but squeaked out won against Tennessee late with a little bit of heroics but this week will be good but then the next week USC UTAH USA at home will learn a lot. You give them a chance at a game like that. I I think with their offense. You give them a chance. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean I think if they can continue. I WANNA see more from the freshman. One game doesn't dictate success when you're very comfortable and there's no pass rushing your face you can you can be successful and here's Kevin. We're big dumb animals defensively. Have we don't know what you do. Well until we see it. We have to be able to see it on tape and get a continue to study tape with a young man and see what slow was does best and see what I need to do to take some of that away and so I think it'll be continuing cat and mouse game. Even you'll see more and more here's the thing I know. You have to have if you'RE GONNA play. USC IF YOU'RE GONNA play an arid and you're going to play a team. That's going to throw the ball all of the yard. It's not about having to great corners. You better have three. You'd better have four because they can spread it out to multiple guys and get you in space and really really attack you so that's the thing that you're going to see when you when you face. USC If you're going to stop this off. You can't just say oh I got. I got an all conference all American out here. You better have a couple. That could play all right. Let's take a look at some of these other games and I circled circled one because growing up in in outside of Philadelphia it. It's a pro town. We love our eagles. When it comes the Football Football Penn State on your eagles. Yes we do but Penn State's one of those teams that finds a way to cut through in that area it's not a college town that whole that whole area but but penn state and Pitt means something and this rivalry is coming to an end. It's the hundredth meeting between between these two schools. They go back to eighteen ninety three and right now. This looks like it's going to be the end of the rivalry. There's nothing in the schedule at least for the next decade for these the two schools as they get ready. Can you fill me in is this. Is this a rival for both schools. It is it is generational. Thane Gene James Franklin doesn't really don't believe that in the past really perceive this as much of a rival as your man nor how's it sits burqas fit they they beat their chest and like this game dadgum matters. This is a huge robber game. James Fraser's like yeah now. This guy is pretty cool but state game and Michigan game and cow. We've got a lot of big games on our schedules. So this really isn't that big. That was just the side Ida pit. I think it just say hey. We don't really care about you but deep down and then. Let's not forget to if you're talking about this new generation there was a sixteen year hiatus between these two programs rams as well and then they resumed it back in two thousand sixteen but if you go back and it's it's it's steeped in so much tradition you look back at the great rate teams in the late seventy s a pit and it will. Joe Pa was doing at Penn State to into the eighties it was it was a fantastic rivalry and frankly do what he does. I think that was just a dig that we don't care about your school but I think at alumni base on both sides genuinely care about this game. I want to get your thoughts about a team like Penn state because they look like they were in trouble that first half against buffalo they rebound they found a way how do you view Komo Clifford at quarterback and and Franklin in this offense and then their status in the Big Ten east you know I don't know anything about them yet. Buffalo is Buffalo Yeah. I don't know what else to say. It's hard to gauge understood. It's hard to gauge what they are yet but when you see. Clifford told for four touch too I mean the the big question about Penn state obviously coming in everybody knew. How do you replace the quarterback. How does has this happened. You had the same quarterback for years and he's been gritty and he's been tough and now how do I go onto the next phase. Ah Questions answered. I think Clifford has been very very efficient and he can. He can run too. He's a dual threat guy that can run the football. Throw the Football Penn State. They didn't really run. The football effectively gets buffalo at all at all. I it was not good it was he was he was the leading rusher ever. Clifford was but I I wanna see I wanna see if he gets pit. I don't think pit is a world beater. Either I mean I think they're I think they're going to be a pretty good team but their team also obviously with a new offense building and growing and they've shifted now from a pass from run happy team to find a balance between that and throwing the football down the field and making explosive plays with their new OC so I think I don't know that I'm GONNA learn a ton about Penn state in this ball game either but I want to figure out if Clifford's for real I think Penn State's more athletic on defense and I've seen them in a while and I think they can cause havoc on defense and but but I don't know what Penn State is. This will be a little test to see if Clifford has the goods because I I can tell you this. Caja handlers an animal. He is a freaky wide receiver out why he's a freaky athlete if they can get the run game going like they did with Ford if if four can get going in week one more or if they can find some kind running back play and run the football. This offense could be really dangerous. I think Penn State Defense is going to be better in the against Ohio State and Michigan those cats than they've been in a number of years because because of their athleticism let's see this week. Devon Ford and Journey Brown. I think they are really good tandem in that backfield that we will see their biggest test if if they're not looking ahead date next week against Maryland on the road because Maryland has that game circled I already know that for a fact and and that's it's a big game for just say. Did you said they're looking ahead to Maryland seriously. That's where we're at on eggs. Have Your who says that James Frankly doesn't care about bits so you know you. We'll see how that plays out. There's going to be a lot of emotion. I think in that game and maybe it's just a lot of emotion Russian from people that I know of Penn State Fan base for that contest in Happy Valley over the weekend maybe that'll carry them over and catch that game on ABC by the way at noon I I just to me. It's sad that they when we talk about tradition. We Talk About College. Football Pitt and Penn state should be facing each other every single single year but we're not going to get that and we'll see how penn state responds and nor doozy. We'll have the panthers ready to go one life moves on because Texas Texas assist us to be the same way and that sticks what happens moves on and robberies stay does think it does take but I'll be interested to see let's watch. Let's watch the game though it'd be interesting to see a challenge. I think pit still Nar doozy's figured out some defensive things along the way but offensively they haven't really figured much out over the year so so mark whipple came over I think from UMASS and they're supposed to be a pass happy team now. Can you pick it's GonNa decide whether their past happy team and whether they're successful gets penn state otherwise they're gonNA get the doors blown off of them. David when you played what was the what was it Florida. When you played at Georgia was a Florida. The rival was at Auburn. What was what was the rivalry for you guys. They was Florida Florida. There's no doubt it was it was it was a different week with the coaches and you know it's interesting because I see all the time. All these coaches and players are going to feed off coaches. Energies coaches bought holes get tight and they start really puckering up golly. This is the big game and they start talking different the player you can feel that. I mean absolutely feel that and it makes you get tied earned. It makes you not play as free and relaxed so there's a method to the madness with James Franklin. It's not a big deal just another game get ready to go. How did you play those rivalry games. Well it gets Ford. I was water no in my career because they remember what you do last three. It's the final taste of your mouth. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. That's all that is seriously. How did you play those games. I mean forget about the outcome. Like how did you play specifically in those four games. I mean I did find the worst call in college. Football history was my sophomore year by the way we were thirteen. In one that year and Ohio state went to the NATTY atty to play to play that's the two thousand and one Miami Team Two Thousand Sixteen Miami team. We were we were one play away from from being there and being undefeated. Ohio state had several member close ones that they pulled out but the worst call in college football history intercepted Rex Grossman on his on on the two yard line when they were thrown a tunnel screen to go in the score. I made three people miss. Not One not two not three three people three people miss. I got to the fifty yard line. Kevin and they needed oxygen bad. Turn hand the ball to Sean Jones. WHO's one of our faster guys he's way faster than me and I knew that hey to him. At the fifty yard line he runs it back for a touchdown and the REF says Ford lateral. It was aimed at all. I never seen that call again and if they had instant replay which they didn't have instant replay back in the back in that day it was a couple years from being instituted. It would've changed that game but we lost thirteen to six by the way law seven points. I'm looking it up and points also kept points. It was twenty to thirty or yeah twenty to thirteen and twenty thirteen and that's the difference into the game right like if that calls made call in your mind history yes. I'm looking at the right way period. I'll say in my mind if the correct way is correct to call it. Don't say in my mind you slap you but no it was definitely we were thirteen and one man it was a it was a good good season for us. It was sec championship game and beat. Arkansas beat to beat the mess out of them and then you beat Florida State sugarbowl right a bit what could have been we could have been before. Take the second season. You try to Piss me off. No no no I find it fascinating because our best team man I so it's easy for me to say what's a rivalry revelry and what's not and as a fan. You're you're invested in a game like that. Listen I I'm married to a gator and and my stepfather is Georgia bulldogs. I hear it all the time like constantly about that rivalry and and I'm hearing it from a fan perspective. I observe it and I've I've been to Jacksonville. I've watched the game there and I'm just fascinated from the experience of players. What's it like for them. Because players have a different feel they have a different vibe they could feed off of it or they could just be like now. I'm here just just the ball out. I could care less and it's good to hear your perspective rivalry game yeah. Everybody has different degrees of of what really matters to them. You you know and I just the Florida game for us. I always meant a little bit more because you had a bunch of guys in the locker room. They got recruited by Florida a bunch of guys in the locker room. They Got Georgia in whichever whichever side you chose and it was it was far and away and listen because of Georgia's ineptitude versus Florida for so long it made it that much more heightened you know what was that we lost to them so many times back in the day that something had to change and turn the tide of almost snake bit and that's why our our biggest rival wild is there and and and this group might say differently you know this might say Alabama the last two seasons you think about how it ended. Alabama's probably the biggest rival for Georgia right now between for those players players in there is I think it continues to changes teams. Get better and more competitive and if one team gets a leg up on you for a little while man it just it ticks you off and it makes you want to beat the mess out of them. We'll be back in a minute with more from pollock but first a word from allstate because mayhem on Saturdays in the fall is inevitable. 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You're etc you get the point all state protects you for mayhem in the parking lot and outside it at home and away you can't stop mayhem from happening but you can get better protected from it with all state the potential for mayhem during the playoff race is rampant underdogs folks trap games unexpected weather etc etc etc get better protected from mayhem with allstate contact if your local allstate agent today sick a look at some of these other matchups here and number two Alabama facing an SEC team South Carolina Carolina and you know that that's that's a showcase game here considering who Alabama just beaten obviously the the comments from Nick Sabin recently the after the game and students to task for the game early here. What do you make of this. What are you what do you make of this storyline after after the game and and scheduling and students leaving or not even showing up to watch the team. That's a part of this. This era right right now is a is going to be. It's a real part of the things that coaches need to figure out. Ladies need to figure out students. Don't WanNa go out there and as much as they used to. They don't want to be a part of it as much as they used to and you've got to find creative ways to make the atmosphere better and make the atmosphere more entertaining and you need more. Wi Fi you need more ability to interact and do different things. They need an experience. TV experience is phenomenal and college football. Now I mean it's unbelievable what you can do on your couch so you gotta give people a reason to keep coming and I think you've seen the comments from coaches and Nick Saban's doing it on purpose. He wants to make sure that students come out and that's competitive advantage you. We used to say it all the time. When you play at home and how much it means to have the crowd behind you in how much juice it gives you how much it can confuse an offense and now now you've seen attendance start to dip a little bit every single year. It's it's a real concern for a lot of these coaches and a lot of these across the country. How can Alabama change things and some of the disappointment is the scheduling of of Afternoon Games. It's ninety five degrees in Tuscaloosa because let's not forget like they're putting out a buyout like they're paying the school to play them and the money that some of these schools are getting to play. Alabama is funding their entire athletic department so if you just have power five versus versus power five or religious group of six facing each other and none of these schools are getting a piece of the Pie. Some of these athletic programs are not going to survive now like Georgia taking nine hundred ninety first of all. Let's not paint Alabama corner that they they don't ever play anybody because they've been one of the few that have played somebody to start the season just about every. I'm with you. I mean they've always they've done a phenomenal job playing. USC which is obviously a huge Michigan at a conference like they've done a great job playing somebody out of the gates a lot of times this year wasn't and I don't get the new games as much. Kirby came out yesterday talked about the Games. It's like He. I love because I spend the rest of the night with my family but apparently nick doesn't like the the early kicks and you know to each his own whatever you can you can you can complain. What about what you want but I just you know. The whole scheduling thing needs to be more uniform across the board. I think you could find a way to play more conference opponents and make things matter more. I think you could think you could really do that in this world where money talks when you have that when you got money when money's talking as much as it is you can find a way to make these matchups avenue all right. Let's take a look at an interesting matchup. I think for anybody that's that's following the group of five and understands that UCF is trying to gain respect this this game schedule a while back with circled for a lot of reasons in that is UCF facing Stanford. Now you said earlier that you're not a believer in Stanford furred but before this week they were top twenty five team in for UCF. It represents something like we need to face Stanford. We need to face a team that that is the top up twenty five that you can't just bash because we don't play anybody. How do you view. UCF team that's coming in and that game's going to be on ESPN. They got Stanford on the schedule. Schedule does does this change your mind on what they do against Stanford just because they're stanford or you already don't really have a lot of respect for the cardinal this season. I I don't have a lot of respect for the cardinal I just I just think if you've watched in the last couple of years that intellectual brutality and pounding you in the face listen to run the football that was gone even with Bryce love as explosive as he was an dynamic as he was a couple years ago and cost tele was his team thrown around but defensively offensively just finding those guys that they'll hitch in the mouth and they'll play physical and they they've they've missed those guys number years now Stanford's at different team and I the last week they play with the backup. quarterback gus tells one of the best quarterbacks in the country so getting him back will be a huge lift but UCF is there. They're a team that I don't know a ton about yet either. They know they're also a team that have blown people out. So far as I know they can run the football I mean they create explosive plays with with multiple backs every single week every time you look up. I'm in the first game that four or five guys with that averaged over six yards a carry and you're just like that's that's phenomenal you know. How do you continue to do that. So between mccray making big plays in you know I. I don't know if the the quarterback spot for me is interesting interesting. 'cause I don't know if it will be win. Bisher Not Gabriel obviously was the guy last week making a a bunch of big completions and in his debut there listen he wasn't officiant but dude was dropping bombs. I think he had seven completions for like two fifty something like that. I mean something close to that so it'd be interesting how that works works out because member. Matt got hurt preseason with a broken ankle. McKinsey Milton last year had his legs is still. I mean still recovering from that so I think the only only thing that can hold. UCF back from being really really good would be the quarterback position and listen Stanford. At least we know will be in the right place at the right time and they'll be tough. They're just not very athletic. It'll be fun to see an athletic offense. Versus Stanford Stephen and Mac has been cleared by team doctors. The play Hypo has an interesting situation with Gabriel Wimbush who wasn't one hundred percent last week and then the return a Mac. I I say you stick with Dylan Gabriel until you figure things out because they have stanford this week and then they got away if he showed you something and you have some confidence. Let's let's just continue to go with the hand that you're most comfortable with and that could be dealing. Gabriel under center in a in a contest that I I have circle when you look at some of these games. They're not sexy on paper. I HAVE THAT UCF game circle. 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Seven ranking is is a little too high for the fighting Irish how you view this team coming into that game first thing I saw I it's always it's what people do is. First thing I saw was Oh god Notre Dame's overrated again and I'm like how do you. How do you even know that? Oh Louisville scored in the first two possession yeah then they locked down. Did You Watch Louisville's offense. I think Louisville's offense is going to be really good this year like if you watch them and the creativity they have like Louisville's offense is going to be fun and it's going to be explosive and now Notre Dame's offense. Ian Book is Ian Book. If Notre Dame's GONNA be in the position they were year ago with their schedule. There Ian Book is going to be more than a game manager. He's GonNa have to be a guy that I can trust to literally drop back make big play after big play and by the way Kevin he should do that. At this point is career that should happen. I mean he's he's not a a young cat anymore. He's not an unproven guy. He should be the guy that can step in now. After starting a full season a year ago go into the playoff being a guy that had had a lot of success. This second year is star. Now in book needs to step in and be efficient. He doesn't need to be fourteen for twenty three or whatever it wasn't the first game that it was okay. It wasn't wasn't super efficient you know and so that's that's what I look for from from Notre Dame. I think defensively they're going to be really really solid again solid to to really good. I think they got caught off guard a little bit by Louisville's funky formations and options and jets and all the stuff that they can do that is really fun but I'm not gonNA learn anything from this week against against New Mexico but they go to Athens next week yeah night game in Athens Saturday night. What's with the lights on it is pretty sick. I mean it's it's one of the cooler atmospheres listen. There's there's a Lotta great atmospheres in the south. I mean there's just you got to Clemson. We opened end up with Clemson and you watch that atmospheres golly. That's crazy and you go to Lsu at night and you're like. Oh my God what on Earth was that and then you go to Athens and you go to Auburn and you. It's just it's nuts how many atmospheres it's just like when you go to the big house. The Big House is a huge stadium but it's not it's not as loud as other stadiums in the south and you know people can get upset with that if they want but it's just a it's a crazy atmosphere. It's crazy fans that listen this was this was a family affair that that was passed down to you know this is my dad loved Georgia. My Dad loved Alabama. We went together as a kid. My son goes with me now like it's just a it's crazy man. It's crazy the amount of passionate and what it means to so many people down to the south. It's just a it's a religion. It really is a religion have to admit it's on my bucket list. I gotTA gotTa go to Georgia for a game. I haven't seen a home game there next week. We'll take the ABC show on the road. How about that. You'll you'll support all that all right. We'll bring in Sanchez Velma. We'll just like this is what we're doing. We're saying pollock's. How's everybody. Let's go do it from my house. If I wanNA know your thoughts what's about another interesting because considering the backstory from a year ago Kentucky does something we haven't seen in a long long time when you talk about the rich history of the Florida gators and they win in the swamp a year ago now you know after they got that win last week and the gators are going the Kentucky here. How do you view a game like this and and understanding where you know this offense is in Philippi Franks and and where Dan Mullen wants wants this team to be in the how do you view this matchup. We need to see something from flora by the way because Florida Week was pretty atrocious and we saw the offensive line has some serious issues fully Franks struggle. You know we've we've seen flee and we've seen we saw more of the same kind of Lutton crowd placate to him and getting his emotions involved and you prefer him not not do that. I think Florida's defense is going to be great though and that's the thing that first of all Kentucky kind of surprisingly if you watch Kentucky a year ago what it was Benny Snow Yup. There is no doubt about it. It was finished now. It was run game. They could throw the football worth a DAG flip. They absolutely stunk get throwing the football. It's clear to me to start the season with Wilson throwing the ball fifty plus times already that they're trying to get the passing game going. They gotta find a way a multidimensional and if you're going to go against Dagenham Florida with that front and those guys that can get after quarterback consistently. It's going to be an issue so listen. Last year we said Kentucky's not GonNa Break Straight Kentucky and beaten Florida and seventeen thousand years since sixteen cents Columbus moved over here and they found a way to do it and to me. The bigger picture is is free play Frank's. Can he be a guy that I can consistently. I'll never forget the Miami game just watching Chink Dan Mullen have to orchestrate things for him and not seeing things as well as he should. Now you know when you play against Lesser Competition you know then Miami. He has a day when he played UTM. He was twenty five and twenty seven and you go collie that guy's really good and you see the Miami and you're like wait a minute okay okay. That was a different animal so another chance to go against stoops's defense was always good is fully by Franks continue. It was it was it a blip week one against against Miami or or is more of a gauge if he's going to be more efficient more accurate and you're going to see that offense because defensively. I know exactly what I'm getting performed. I got a thing or two about frank's handling his emotions because it's going to be an emotional game after losing the Kentucky year ago but he's he's a guy that I felt like was in control at the start of the season then you watch the Miami game. You're like Whoa WHOA. We're going back to two thousand seventeen francs here. Let's control the emotions the one thing about this game they have the best name in all of college football and that is Kentucky running back Kvass. EA smoke that is the best name right. Now I think in all of college football. We'll see if if somebody could top that David had fun man looking forward to Game Day and their first trip to Ames as host. I will have some fun out there. We're having a blast man. 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Bruce Bowen

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Bruce Bowen

"Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right tack. My name is Bomani Jones as for listener on ESPN app app pack as rivers podcast. We appreciate it rate is review gives five stars. You gotta give four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. Now's the time of the week where we do. Our interview got my man coming to live from Senator Tonio names Bruce bone. What's going on, man? My you know, what the way you. Brought me today. It is special feeling the love and Lord knows. I know you gotta uppercut coming. It's always low. It's easier to dodge uppercut that it is a low bridge and see what? And there. And runny open the door, and you open the door because didn't go talk to you about Kevin Durant and Patrick Beverley and warriors blowing at thirty one point. Like is this really take him blow in a thirty one point league because I'm inclined to just be like a still the warriors Petya wasn't thirty one point lead. Yeah. But the thing is you always go back to. Yes. It was a thirty point lead that they lost. But at the same time, they built at thirty one point lead, and they became disengaged. It happens. I remember in two thousand three with planned out Mavericks, and we got up twenty at home. And next thing. You know, we start short cutting the plays, and okay, I'm just going to do this right now on do that. And when you lose that game plan during the course of a game because of something like that these types of things do happen. And when they do happen. The only the only saving grace to all this Bomani is the fact that they have a film session where coach comes in. And he praises him. Look we move on. All those. That then that second half shows, and he says, hey, Kevin are you in an aggressive style right now against Patrick Beverley? And so they have to deal with that from the moment happens and in social media on ESPN, every news outlet is talking about how they lost Lee. But at the same time, this will help them to be better next time out because they know they only play two and a half quarters of basketball you need four quarters basketball. And this is where they always talk about you must finish the job, and they didn't finish the job, and you have to give credit to the clippers because they continue to fight. But I'm gonna give you some a little different Bomani. Get on the flip side of the clippers when you down thirty. You ain't worried about that jump shot anymore shooting it without worries. And so when you do shoot with our next thing, you know, you're like why when and then another you do something oh that another time. Now, I'm not talking about Lou Williams because Liu has proven themselves. Be fantastic scoring the game. But when you down twenty thirty points guys don't have concerns on other on the other side. They're just playing they're just trying to figure out a way to chip at the Lee next thing, you know, they were chipping at that. And then the ties turn now, they got a rhythm. Now, they have momentum's now that you've been on these championship teams before how hard is it maintaining focus because sometimes it feels like to me when the warriors because they warriors. But when they lose say, they board. It is it is telling in their play in the style of play as far as there's nice you're gonna miss shots, obviously. But at the same time when you're able to create that dominance, and you see the team in when they're clicking on all cylinders, and then another night, you might see them, and they just don't look sharp, and they're still winning big. That's a team that has it together. Now when it's such a great disparity in between games and things. That's when you start to wonder okay Candice group function in this type of scenario as well as the surroundings is at the players involved. Or what is it about this player that it just seems that they're not able to get things clicking in the right way? Enjoying watching patch Beverley guard Kevin Durant, and that's a hell of a challenge for dude like one, and I think that you know, unfortunately, Patrick doesn't get his do credit for what he's doing. We're talking about an MVP two time MVP. The finals MVP of the season scoring champion. Kevin Durant knows how to score. But to hear him talk about being concerned with the backside help or what man you've been dealing with that for the past six years. This is nothing new that that you're gonna face double team or that teams are pre rotating against you. You never would hear my Jordan say, well, I wasn't as aggressive because I was worried about, you know, the next guy or AI, oh, Lord, especially I was gonna shoot whether it's three people or not it was more about the fact that hey, I gotta do things in a way where I'm benefiting my team and making sure we can move forward. Interesting with Iran because he saying, hey, man, I could get all these ads on Patrick Beverley, but we probably wouldn't be as good and then over across the room. Steve Kerr saying we want Kevin to take twenty or thirty shots is is gets his spas be aggressive. That's what they want from Kevin. And when I saw there's a clip that we saw where he's almost at half court and he's leaning back. He's not an aggressive stance. And that's number one. You sixteen seven feet, you gotta being athletic position ready to go. So when you have those situations, you are not you're not on guard. You are the person that's bringing the the the heat to the battle. You don't want to be reckless with the basketball in front of guys like that. That means you gotta utilize all that skill set that you have when it comes to who are because we know you can do this is just where's your mind that to have the focus you're being you're showing different types of frustrations behind what he's doing. How would you go about garden? Kevin durant? You know, I I like with Patrick has been able to do on the as far as trying to take away his space him taking away the space. It allows allows him to now dictate certain things player scores and his game. They want that freedom of movement because you we think having danced with the basketball getting guideline in one direction, and he goes another. So you got to initiate the physicality to him to make sure that he's not just dominating everything. When you see Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant, you know, think of any score Alan Iverson when they got into attack mode. It was hard to stop them. But if you were close to them, at least, you made them have to maneuver we see today when it comes to James harden. Everybody's playing off. I'm trying to send them a certain way, and it's not affected. So you have to come back their talent by the physical aspect of things and hope that you can get them to think more out there. On the floor as compared to just playing a game playing out a reaction, and you'd be trying to get in his head a little bit, right? No, you know, that's part of the whole game plan, you know, and when I see Kevin Durant smiling and looking at Patrick Beverley that tells me that he's not focused. He's not focused on the job at hand. That's necessary for his ball club. When you know, you never you never saw Michael Jordan. And or a joking in chatty with folks because they wanna mission their thought process was I got a vote right here. This is a vault as far as my Utah to get in to my head in this situation when you get into a guy's head. It's not that you make them do something crazy. It's just you put off there. You have them second guessing things, you know, for that little that little spiel of what Kevin did after practice about the second guy waiting, and and I I got this guy waiting for me, sending w. Double team here. That's the norm for Kevin Durant. That is the norm. So you're talking about that instead of just reacting and playing and not allowing that to affect you by use mowing down. That's that's half the battle right there. You didn't see stuff slowdown? You didn't see when they get off the ball when they were down late night game. He got off that ball and any went and got it again and made the three it was because he was focused. He wasn't thinking. He knew exactly what he wanted to do. I feel a lot of thoughts taking place with Kevin right now. And he's not this is the whole deal, Bomani. When it comes to special talented players in this game. You don't want them thinking you want them to just play the game. Is that seven player is that six players the eighth player. Those are the guys that can think and play at the same time. But they're not as talented as some of the guys. Is that you just want to play without thinking. Now with drab e guy that you would identify as I can get in his ear. 'cause I get the feeling that y'all y'all know who you think you can get to like you don't try like Beverly white this. Thank you can get to what you think. I mean, you can get anybody's that. What it is. I mean, I got you. I got to hear AB. You know? So let's just. Right now. I'm just wondering if you walk see Kevin Durant like can get him as a I wouldn't be the player. I was if I didn't feel that way money. I felt like I felt like I get to anybody. And you know that you have to have that feeling. But it's how you go about it. It takes time. You can't just say. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna do this. No, no. It's just it's like, you know, I crack up when I see people that get a little emotional with with you or back when skip Bayless was par or even max now or Stephen a, you know, I marvel at how when they get emotional, and they think they're going to go at your, and they don't know y'all, and they don't understand how this is your craft. And you you have done farm, so many different things within this craft that you can guide the conversation. And then you hit them with a Zinger see when you get. Emotional utero that person up. But when you take your time and see how that person is. And you respect that individual for their talent. Then you start figuring out other ways of how to get to that individual now getting to a player is not necessarily have them off LeicesteR for for fifteen minutes in the game. But it's to create a little doubt just that little seed of doubt you've done your job as far as what the plays. Are. You know, I'm gonna go back in time. I remember once Pacific guy that I had a good time with and he didn't like me to touch him. But he let it be known way too soon. For me. I mean, he let it be known in the summertime. He's I am you know, when we playing games, and I'm like, he said, yeah, you you found me when when you keep on doing that. I really know my bad. I couldn't play. So as soon as we get out on the floor. We come into a jump ball situation. I put my hand right on his phone. And he you know, how guys snatching they all draw, and I my I'm sorry. I put it right back there. See that's the beginning. That's the beginning right there. So now we get to third quarter. And it's a tight game. I decide I think I need to touch on his number little bit put my hand on his number and your hands off me, Bruce is better. Go ahead with that, Bruce, and I'm not all man my fault. So coach just drew up a play for him. I'm over here. Doing this little thing that I do sometimes. And now the official now the balls in play in the Fisher said you to stop it. Now, he stops to turn to the official and say he touching me. He tells me now, it's eight seconds on the shot clock. I think I just utilized that moment to create just that little time right there. They didn't get the shot for him. They got the shot from someone else. They didn't wanna from. And we go on. And we continue to increase our lead from there. You know, I don't as you tell us. How man, you know? I might tell you another the next podcast. I just might do it. A carrot in front of you, Bomani. You have it. Yes. In front of me. 'cause I can't imagine. How sick you. He was. And I don't know what he told you. He gave the Gable way. He gave the game away way too early. He gave the game away in our fourth year in the NBA, and I wasn't even play in a lot. Then. Hey, but I knew I knew I was I I was like gator. Do it. I do it. 'cause I'm gonna get into. Hey. Does your favorite player to tag is? Was you know, people ask me that who's my favorite guy. And sometimes I'll say this. It's when guys would say things in the the media, you know, guys would go to the papers and say, you know, Bruce Bowen, you know, he he's a dirty player. Now. See I didn't understand this Bomani. Because all that all like like looks say all the ways y'all live and y'all wanna sit up here and talk about a ticket tat Phalle, all the ways you lift you outweigh because I was a buck ninety in my prime, and you maybe two fifteen to twenty but you never did say that directly to me. That's what I didn't understand. This Carter would say things about me and talk about how I was a dirty player. I and typically tried to hurt him which was not true. But he never said it to me. That's what I didn't understand. So it's I so so now next time we play I hear what you said because certain reporters couldn't wait to run and tell me. Hey, hey, hey, Bruce. Hey, hey, hey, guess what been said about you? I'm like, oh, this this can't be good. How excited you're ready to tell me this? And so I, you know, one of the things that I felt like if vents events car in his one of the most talented individuals could lead could shoot to get to the Cup. But there was something missing. And and and in the whizz, the lion went to go get it. He saw Dina Rossi said where I need hot in order to get there. And you know, it's just it's I I've always said this any guy that Twose's not to be with his teammate. In the playoffs. I mean, it's the playoff you guys in Toronto got a chance to do something really special. You choose to go walk which class. Look. I I am not. I am not understand this. I am not saying education is not important. But you know, what they did to my my my diploma, Bomani. 'cause I got mine after I left school. They mailed it to me. You can have it mail to you. But this chose to go during this time to go get his diploma to walk with his class. Because that's what he wanted to. I'm not, hey, it's your prerogative like Bobby Brown said. But to me as a competitor, I want my teammates with me. I want them ready to go. Let your dog ready. Your dog ready? I can't do that with him. If he not there. But that to me is indicative of what his career was. And I think that's part of why he never experienced the true the true opportunity of being a champion. Wow. I that's the answer to the question. I thought you dance around though, the it's gone. To the question that was just an example. Hey, the carrot is there. The carrot is still there. Right. Fall right now. I gave you I get you something my 'cause you guy and spied of yo yo your antagonistic ways. You still my gosh got respect a lovely brother. Appreciate it. But it is reciprocal who don't love each day. Oh, I like it day. They kill them though. Dave killing. Hey, I you know, what? This is the this is a great opportunity talk about when you are comfortable in the skin that you are in. You're not worried about all that stuff. You you always know what time it is. You see what I did there? But mind, you know, what time it is from day one with Damon coming into the league, he's never been that guy. It's like, hey, others. When we go hang out come on. Let's go. Let's go do something together. I gotta get a group of guys. And so what we do on Instagram. He's never been at individual. And I am so thrilled that he's having opportunity to show what he can do 'cause the brothers. He's skilled, and you know, you talk about how many people have been through Portland, and all of a sudden left or or guys that say, you know, I just went opportunity to win. I can I can't tell you. How is such a loss? Are that Damon says I wanna do it here? I wanna I wanna finish what I've started as far as being a part of a great organization. As far as building something special. And I that's old school there. That's Reggie Miller s you know, Reggie stayed in Indiana from day one today would fold thousand nine hundred sixty eight he was there. And so what you have so many times so many guys are so concerned about well. You know, my brand isn't being, you know, touted the right way. You know, what he said Dame is comfortable with who he is. And he's only concern with being a best. He can be even against the best. Now, I look at this matchup, and you say immediately. Well, who has as well Russell Westbrook average a triple double. He got the ads, but at the same time, they man is not afraid to compete against Russell Westbrook. And you saw some little different when they had that. Now, the seven thing down that was that that was tickle tickle me Elmo with what they was doing down there when when Russ fell on. The floor, and they ain't this little thing. But afterwards Dame stood there. Like what that was Oakland for those? That are from the those are no the bay area, you know, Oakland. And that's exactly what he's so here show, you San Francisco he showed you Oakland. So you have that it's about competition I rust Bree yours Russ come down Jack up, but three and then the the big thing for me rest misses his theory. And then comes down and says, let me show you how this done bam. I mean. Yeah, you can do that rocking the baby but Dame saying bring it and all of that talk. Let's let's let our game. Do the talking result of January been busted his ass for years since they play since Dame is brought the heat like twenty nine he scored in the last game was the few was that he scored since Russ told him, man. And that's the thing. See, but you don't hear him sending subliminal. Title messages out there, and for the discrepancy to be the way it is. That's all the needs to be said, you know, and Dame is winning that battle. Now, I'm gonna tell you something that I find that's pretty cool. And pretty interesting is how coast stocks has created an offense creating a system there where at allows Dame NC j to be a huge component of what's going on. But just when you think you load up on day. Hey, here comes CJ and CJ is one of the most underrated individuals when it comes to getting to certain spots on the floor at ease. You look at him. He doesn't look so fast. He doesn't look quick. But all of a sudden he's by guys he plays with he plays with a pace of the great. So the game that that just stepped in just understand that it's not about being fastest. But it's about being quick to certain spots and being ready to do some you look at C J. He's always in a position to score. Being in a position to score is not standing straight up. Oh, it's about being ready to go as soon as he catches the ball. You don't know whether he's gonna shoot and drive dry for pass dry for shot. You don't know because he's always down low ready to go. And that is something that I teach kids. That's so important. The the big dichotomy was looking Kevin Durant against Patrick Beverley near half core where Kevin is standing straight up and leaning back because he's allowing the levers to be taken away. You don't see that with CJ? And right now, the biggest difference in Portland is their business. And some of the guys that's coming off in and force them. They lose their center for the rest of the season. But just imagine if they had him, but what Kanter is doing right now, he's bringing the noise as well. So now they force. Okay. See tonight, y'all got to jump shots with packing the pay. You gotta sue jump shots. You you gotta you gotta not downsizing, especially in the playoff playoff expose the weaknesses of the opponents. And that's what you're seeing right now. We'll be back in a minute to talk about the Sixers, but I the average interest rate on credit card debt is over eighteen percent APR who have you looked at your interest rate lately. Refinance your high interest credit card balances save with a credit card consolidation loan for light Streep get a rate as low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay. The rate is fixed ill never go up. 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And they said they got so Ragas in their their L. Embiid got in your face about what you were talking about alleged big in your face. And you know, I never let nobody in my face. You know, that they have, you know, this is now I've never been part of, you know, the dilemma of print media, and oh, I was misquoted. I was this. I was that. Now, I think you all know that if something like that would have happened during that time that would have been big news back then now, you know, I read the article that you, you know, you're talking about and yes Brett Brown asked me to talk to the guys as far as motivational type of speech, and I spoke to him and enjoy Elon are we spoke after the fact and joylin I have a relationship from four years ago. We spent time in Africa we spend time at the draft lottery. So when I saw this, but my wow, see, I love Brett Brown. I love what he's about. I just hate that. He has to deal with all the the the young Stallard players today. That don't take opportunities to really understand that tomorrow is not guaranteed. This team being together. Right now is not guaranteed for five years. I utilize use JJ Rettig. An example, I said JJ when you were in LA how many championships where you guys supposed to get to? And he just he said we were supposed to get to a few brews. I I want you guys understand that even with that. It's not guaranteed. So in the process of me talking about those things I said, Ben Joyal, and and they had just gotten Jimmy Butler. I said you guys have to understand that this is precious time light. Now, you can't look at this like it's going to be here forever. So after that, you know, joylin we talk and Brett Brown, we talk, and you know, all this. Well, I get to London for the London games. Now. Learn the game having maybe month and a half later or two months. And this report says, hey, what do you think about joyless comments about your speech to them? I say, I don't know. I haven't heard anything and I hadn't. And so it's not until now that you're sharing with me. What I thought was like, wow. But I really feel bad for my guy Brett Brown because as he should be preparing for the Brooklyn nets. He has to deal with this. And it's unfortunate because I hear stuff in I read the complete article, and this I is sounds like sabotage to me and for Brit to have poured his heart and soul into what he did the years prior to this year when they didn't have a draft pick or I should say when they're he's up every single day coaching his tail off, you know, with a group of guys that that that they may not be the most towns, but they work the hardest out there. They've been able to afford a culture now that. Now, you have the pieces and now that has the pieces he has to deal with this. And it's unfortunate. Do they have enough pieces. Do I think they have enough pieces met you to bias Harris Jimmy Butler been Simmons joylin be along with it? Oh, guys had are some journeyman some guys that are trying to break into some guy's trying to make a name for themselves. You know, this is what you want. I mean, the foundation pieces are there when you talk about foundational pieces, we look in the bra. We look at him Duncan David Robinson, you build around those pieces and draw in bees that type of guy where you build around him. I can't stand when people talk about over Ben Simmons, and he needs to jump shot. He needs that boys talented. He's talented getting to the at getting to the Cup. And you know, next thing, you know, in transition, you're amazed at how quick he can get there. But he's finishing at the basket. I don't want. Yes, you're going to have to not down jump shots in this game. But it shouldn't now. All of a sudden now turns you focusing on that this boy is talented. And there's a reason why he was a top pick. There's a reason why he's able to do those things and he he is garner. The person is but it's about him continue to evolve and that's going to happen. So this group they have a great group that they can plan NBA finals. They're that good to me. But you still got to play the game. So plan against the Brooklyn nets in the first game. You have to break you can't settle you have to stab yourself. And this is where sometimes, but Mani guys lose the understanding of what being focused is being focused taking care of business. Even if it's not a glamorous job, even not even even if it's not a sexy team. Even if it's not Boston is you know, what you gotta play. You gotta work on your working on things during the course. Of that play to help you to be better. Now, I think with Simmons is is not just that. He can't shoot that. He doesn't shoot it all, and I can't think of any player that's ever called himself a guard who had a game like that. And that's the thing about, you know, we see so many different things the game being reinvented before our very own is and it's hard to reflect banks. Okay. Who was the player like that? Who's a player I've been Simmons that you could think of Bomani, it's it's and it's it's not a rhetorical question. But it's just something to get you thinking. Wow. Who who does he remind me that has the effectiveness of what he does, you know, who is the player that that that down Williams remind you of in a game that has has success that you can just say, right, then and there I think part of it is that because it's such a newness to the game that you don't know how to necessarily receive at or Percy because of some of the the fish. That you see within that individual. But I guarantee you this. He's a guy that stays into the gym. And once he starts to trust a lot of the other things that he's doing money you're going to see a different player. And yeah, it may not look pretty at all times. But it's going to become more effective. And when you get that more effective nece in those guys great things happen after that. I just don't know how far they can go. If he's going to be the ball handler and people just don't have to pay any attention tool when he's outside. You know, it's only through he's moments that you can you can tell the player to your blue in the face of what he needs to do and this will help you. But it's through those experiences being able to look at how teams drop back in the paint when you're in transition. So for many years there's been a lot of guys it's been a make it without a jump shot. But at some point you gotta be able to not down at mid range shot. And when we talk about those things, I know this guy never did necessarily. Win a championship. But Eric snow. Eric snow? He was a point guard that you'd think a point guard gotta be able to shoot, and he that wasn't as strong suit. But he had to learn to develop that speedy Claxton because he get to the rat. Everybody started dropping off of him. Now, he developed that that jump shot and in two thousand three had it not been with what he was able to do coming off the bench. You know, who knows how many games we would have it would have taken for us to find the get a championship in two thousand three see what it did. They're both did is impressive. Say well play. What did you think about Joel hidden jeered atom of that elbow may man? Hey back in the day. They say the same saying those small guards area big men used to bang back in the day. And I don't think it's something that he did from the standpoint of ongoing search I'm trying to knock him out. It's a big man move. It's with aggression. Do you remember guy by the name of Shaquille O'Neal? I heard okay what you just Google some of his stuff down low when he was a beast when he was a monster in there. I'm telling you know, my it's a big man move. And and when that guys coming back spin, you gotta prepare yourself for that. But because the game has been been played out on a parameter so long bit man don't even remember that kind of stuff except those that do play down low on the block out Horford. He does allow those moves like that. But no one ever talks about our Horford is old. How was this? That was that draws is playing a game, man. He's a big guy down there. And and you you can't you can't stop him with one guy, especially when he's in thin then guy as well. The afro don't help with the way. But. They are different way classes, and I would just like to know the basically what you're saying is he wouldn't try to elbow in the head. He just didn't care if he'd no he he was not trying to he was just trying to make a move on. It just I you're not trying to bait me anything. It just happened that way because you do your homework because you you, you know, certain buttons to push you know, I didn't go to therapy last week. I forgot but see now I knew I needed that session. 'cause you don't do what you do nervous. When I said at this because I know how you get we get to these types of moments. That's what you say. That's what I'm talking about. Right there. For some a defensive stance right now looking. We'll be back in two minutes to talk about the Lakers. But I the average interest rate on credit card debt is over eighteen percent AP all have you looked at your interest rate lightly. Refinance your high interest credit card balances it save with a credit card consolidation loan. For light stream get a rate as low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay. The rate is fixed. It will never go up. You can get a loan from five thousand one hundred thousand dollars, and there are no fees even get your money as soon as the day you apply when you have good credit, you deserve gray service in a low interest fixed rate loan for life street. That's lending uncomplicate want to save. Even more by listeners. Get an additional interest rate this cap. The only way to get this discounts to go to light stream dot com slash Bomani. L I G H T S T R E A M dot com slash Bomani, subject to credit approval rate includes point five zero percent auto pay discount, terms and conditions apply. Offers subject to change without notice. Visit livestream dot com slash Beaumont. For more information. Avenue. I talked to you since this happened. What did you think about magic showed up quitting his job? I think as safe to say that there's more to the situation that we probably won't find out later in life. But for someone I think. It's it's a tough scenario when you get into certain things that you haven't necessarily been prepare for and what I mean by that is magic assuming that role. Now having to be on the same page with with multiple individuals. Magic still has a mindset of a point guard and that point guard runs things, you know, in that position. Now, you have to be on board with I wish direction are we going? Are we going to go this direction? Are we going to come together to be able to do this or that? And even if someone doesn't agree with you. Now that you're in this position of of president of basketball, you have to be able to accept the differences that take place in in that position of Doherty. And I think it was a little harder for magic, especially not seeing the fruits of what he's working towards so. Soon that it created something that he's never had to deal with and ultimately is part of that failure. And failure is one of the greatest teachers of life, as we know, you know, when we failed at certain things, we learn how to go back to the drawing board and say, okay, how can we be better in this scenario where we could be, you know, a competitive group. How can we be better from this failure as far as negotiations? Not getting to the media because everyone knows that you have never seen a big deal in sports take place through the media. And so I think that's one of those scenarios where it kinda went south when it comes to now people talking about the decision making and him not having so much experience in that position. I think it's a lot of learning that you have to do a lot of times in that learning process. You have to be quiet and being quiet as not having a voice, but being quiet. It is learning the true craft of that of whatever it is that you're doing in that position. Now, the people who they got left you think they got any idea, but they're doing. You know, I really believe that rob Pelinka is I I think he has a good clue of what to do. But now that you I don't know if everybody was ever on the same page and what I mean by that. But might I think folks were like I love what we got. We got Luc we got this. We got that. We're going to go with it. And see what happens, and you know in business. You can't run businesses that way you have to have a game plan. You have to have a plan of structure, and if Luke wasn't that person for them, then then then now what or did he not become that person because of LeBron it all those things go into to the structure and the game planning, whatever it is that you when you start talking about, you know, how you're going to run an organization it has to be a plan, and it has to be everybody has to be United more than anything else. It can't be anyone teeth. Petering this way or that way. Because it all it does is it creates gaps in the whole infrastructure. And when gaps are involve a lot of times, it's shaky foundation. And we know what happens shaky foundations now try to do you think the legs is a free agent destination. It's still an attractive destination. It's just a matter of now, they got a big cleanup. They have to do now. Because of all the things that transpired you can't tell me that somebody has a choice to go to the purple and go or you're you going to go to the clippers. They're gonna choose the clippers. I think it's the historic organization of what the Lakers have accomplished. That's always going to be a huge attractive device for any player because they wanna be a part of that. They wanna be a part of that greatness. And when you're talking about being a part of something great. There's other things that come into play with that as well. And the live just tends to get better when you're. Apart or something like that going in the right direction. You can't tell me that former you you look at the starting five with magic during those times you look at where they are in live Byron, Scott, he he's had incredible career even after the Lakers. But a lot of this started there, and he was able to take it into coaching. He was able to get to the NBA finals. He's a commentator. He's an analyst now. So he's doing well where are these doing well AC grease doing well have the bar? He he mad, but he's still that's just who he is. So when you talk about Cooper, all those individuals that were part of that that that tradition and that historic time. It's it's still there. And it's just a matter of getting the right pieces to bring it back to that. Prominent me, you believe it when you see it with the clippers man look here. I will say this. I was impressed last year working with that group as far as the competitive aspect of having that blue collar mentality because it was nothing blue about the clippers except that little bit of blue in a uniform bagging today, it was clippers were just they just showed up they played. And that was that. Now. I mean, you look at how creative doc has gone to utilize MU and these other guys that he can place around them as far as what they're able to do. And it's just it's a completely different team. They play hard every night. But Monty, and and that's you know, they is when when Ron Harper was there and and Mark Jackson. You didn't see them playing hard all the time. It wasn't. It wasn't all the time. Now every time I trust herald steps on the floor. You know, you know, mantras by the time that time. Outcomes he's going to be three for five or four four. And there was a time where you just didn't have that with that group. Now, they're starting to put certain pieces out there that make sense. And so, you know, no longer is it live sitting just milking sepia three Blake Griffin and the Andre Jordan what they could do. Now, they're developing into a team with an identity, and then identity is playing hard every single night on the defensive end as well as offense. Now, I wanted this view and translate how organizations should be run how much input. Do you think the legacy give LeBron see I think the strong organizations the successful ones, Bomani? It's not about what the player has to say. They may bring something by him and ask is opinion. But it's not what he says is what determines the direction of the team because when you start allowing players to make those types of decision, you know, a player can choose to go to to to go south can go south at anytime. And so you never want to put your organization in the has or something like that. We saw with with the Cleveland Cavaliers, you know, when when kyri Desai's up I won out because Kyrie's stop process was. Okay. If LeBron James doesn't stay this team has been built for the brand if he's no longer here than what? And that was his biggest discrepancy during that time. So when you when you put it in the hands of player in a player is not locked in. Or the player is is kinda have. Well, we'll see we'll see about how things go. I think that's a bad. That's a bad move. I think it's always about the organization leading in the process of what they're going to do because sometimes players leave or players get traded. Now, if you've put all your your hope into what this player has said what he wants around him. And he's no longer available. Then what? Now, you're stuck with a group that was beneficial to that player. And if that player is injured or what have you what can you do? So you gotta have a backup plan each and every time just in case that players not on the floor. So you try to build that culture around maybe an individual. That's the foundation, and yes, LeBron is the foundation. So in the process of him being found Atieno peace. Let's say the he's removed for awhile. How do we survive? Well, you're able to change it. And now put this other person in place of where LeBron not to his dominance. But what he used to do for the ball club as far as helping others be better thankful, we get out of here. David griffin. Does got the job running the pelicans? You think there's any chance you can make a right with Anthony Davis gave him around. No. I think it's just it's it's too far gone with the whole Anthony wanting out and then no not. Playing some I'm going to play. I'm going to is just it's one of those situations where they both need separation. Now, the biggest, unfortunately, the biggest tax form is making sure you can get what you can for player of that town of that caliber. So it's not gonna be one or two guys is gonna be got multiple players, and almost multiplayers that can add up into what AD is as far as what he's able to bring to the table because of some fortunate and for AD, you know, to let it be known that he doesn't wanna be in New Orleans. That's the part where I say is too far. Now, we have to cut bait and move forward. Yeah. Like got ugly. I I'll never understand the why the pelicans wouldn't play them. Like, I mean, I got the idea that you didn't want him to get hurt. But I mean, come on man that that was the silliest part of it all to me was playing for twenty minutes and twenty two points, and we'll sit him down. Well, and and this is the thing is is kinda doing. A favor for the agent and the player, you know. So he can keep a rhythm and still show. What he's what he's worth and what he can do. And this is where it gets ugly. And you know, I remember a front office guy told me this. He said, Bruce is exactly why you don't do deals in the media. He said that's why you'll never know about certain bills when it's done behind closed doors. So let's just say if this was done behind closed doors where hey, no, no deal for AD happen. AD knows it he goes out and he plays. Now. Maybe there's a way to salvage that relationship. But because it's been blasted out there, and it was a other fail. Now, you have to deal with that as far as now which way do we go which direction are we heading that is Bruce ball in the president of the Vince Carter fan club. We appreciate you journalist. And I didn't get a chance to to give my famous saying about that's going to be some of moving soon. Visco mood at furniture, which you fiscal wait. No you outside your house out net. At the home sprinklers on get off, my grass, Brad. I would pay all the buddy the world. Isn't you walk out your house of his car me mugging? You wait on you. Wait, all you, please for that happened. I just make a phone call. Officer. Carter to salt me. Hey your face. Now, they probably banking on the fact that I running now. Oh, but they don't realize I ain't running like used to still in the league you already if he's still the league you talking. Hey, look here come on. Now. Use Evenson transit. You know, twenty plus years come on. I can't believe he's still in the league. And that's no shade. It's just shocking that he had a game that he vaulted twenty years in the league it is. But you know, what I think he loves the game. Bo and because he loves the game. Now, he starts to really try to mentor a lot of the younger players. And this is the only way he can do it. Because I unless you know, your Kobe, you got rains, and then kids are gonna come to you and say ako, how'd you have and he can go back to certain finals and say I had to do this this see events. He can't do that. All they know is half man half amazing everything surrounded around the regular season verse ball at my man. I greatly. Appreciate it. Thank you. Not a problem. All right now, ladies gentlemen, thanks for joining us here on the right time to do this thing. A couple of times a week Mamane gave Bassein handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Thanks Bruce Bowen, thanks to our sponsor light stream. We should've checked out to calm show this week. She looks head to the NFL draft with the SPN front office inside of Louis Riddick two years ago. 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Wendell Carter Jr., Bulls C

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Wendell Carter Jr., Bulls C

"The the ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right top. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening. Wherever you get your podcast we appreciate it raiders his review US give us five stars the only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater that week where we do interviews joining us now from the Chicago Bulls Win Dale Carter Order Junior Research Mega Daddy man. You been man just trying to get the body right. You're ready for the season because we are right around the corner from getting in on that there ain't no. I know you heard much of it. Though you'll rookie year in the league for you like how did it compare to expectation. was definitely different. You know become a near a very highly view player. They'll come into Li like everybody's good from the last man on the Bishop to the starter so that was jeff adjustment. You know people being a lot stronger than I thought a lot faster. I just a really really good basketball player so it's always interesting when I hear people say that they're like. Yo everybod- thirty years good they do want to be a trainer at a gym. I worked out at right but he's still trying to make the NBA and he was like he went to the clippers and I was like how's that he's like Yeoman. Everybody was good for the clippers guys off the street trying to get on Three D. Did you have a moment where you looked up and you just realize oh wow these dudes are really he good first game of the season last year replanning Joel embiid. I tried to make a move on him and he just took the ball on okay. I I give myself so ever since Dan. I just studied more now learned people stretching witnesses because I know distract on strength. That's not not going to be anybody yeah so I guess the adjustment from High School to college is not nearly say oh no not at all not at all. The first thing is the eighty two game season. You know what I'm saying Salata Games. You play two games a week. I take care of your body is huge. You know saying keeping a mental space good because there's so many anything's happening you know with a lot more money. Now y'all lot more distractions no able to do a lot more things so billy. Stay on the straight path in that no off. The Path anyway was there to hear. You say you got a lot more money now. You're twenty years old. Okay so it's not just a lot more money. It is money you're right your money here yeah and that's but that's a change though I wonder if they mean like do tv now so like my chain a little bit but I was in my thirties wondering like as a teenager like for you that first first time that you would you just check the bank balance yet and checked it in a couple of days and you look at that in the in the Czech has dropped in. What was that moment life you breath. I was excited as I like to say really like I mean literally coming from no now. I never had a job before so I never know was having a steady income so I check the hit and know that that's going to be happy every two week four years. I'm like Wow oh wow this is. This is life. I've always dreamed about looking good efforts to having Sodom taxes that will hurt me hurt by so like and there's nothing I can do. That's that's the worst part there's no way I can not make it. Go down a little bit. Nothing is going to come out just like the deal with and I guess there's also had a check like I work at a fast food restaurant. It's your first bowman on having their taxes. Come out and then when you make more they take more. Did you learn are there but you had none of those steps to log in process just went right into taking out half my check. It still couldn't believe it can in order to internship at a major company when I was about twenty one meal boy first time we got there chipmunk checking literally jumped off the ground and click zeal and and that was for five thousand dollars or more like a badger that they'd be gay cruising but also I mean I guess some hassles to absolutely it comes with a the lot of people know watching my pockets. Now you know when a flight date they know everything even my closest family members you know I had to know talk to tell him that so now none of us had this kind of money before so was it. What is it like for me to listen to you. If you don't even know you know what to do with this kind of money. You've never had this much money. So how can I trust you with it. So you know this reaching out they are they. Are they trying to get you. The old is would you need to hear this one. I need to do all this but I cannot listen to you if you never had them. The Money Ryan says so. It's Kinda hard. You know it was Kinda hard tone them no but when that happens who can you listen to because I think that's fair like I don't know how many people you go talk to. You labout like so. What was it like when you may five dollars a year well I. I was a mom. Noah had an account amid a financial financial adviser that she used to work with so you know he works with a lot of you know big time athletes also so you know he came along. Just kind of show me what do and not do. I'm saying just save your money. No first couple years init- enjoy like you can enjoy now but don't do anything too crazy. You know what I'm saying. That's Kinda just a baseline this to stack money right now right off air so now is really an an an and paying taxes get out since yesterday so home point so so what was the one thing you had to have the window by myself a car soon as bomb us over Mercedes Eddie's S. five fifty look at how would you be happy. I know exactly how all these things go right. They I used to you could actually get into Eric's found that luxury cardiac actually financially. I gotTa have it getting there. It held they take it all in the that. You mentioned your mom. You know briefly there in that moment and I've read about her have met her obviously. She Ain't no joke not aw that Elsie you know no stringing away from just the money sidelights. He's very very strong minded going to voice our opinion at all times but a fair respect pixel at the same time. You know what I mean like she she wants. Everybody know like she's not afraid to talk about. The the real problem says going on around in the world like I remember in college. She talked about the whole what college really is and what what the personas and with our being a pan of going to a very high major school the differences his and everything and she doesn't she doesn't care. She's GonNa tell Ya this well. That was the thing I've found it very interesting. How forthright she was about out all of those things and is what it was in college in. It takes on a different level because you went to do console this becomes not just about what she's saying about the world it becomes kind of specific. Mike Cesky and everything else that was going on there so like when she said those things. How did you feel about you know it it didn't it didn't really bother me? It not really bothered coach K. and they really bother anybody in the at Duke a kind of all understood what she was coming from because those it's only so much that Koska can do a lot of people above him that kind of run the whole. MCA basketball right now just to keep his show feel. I players get paid. They say you can pay by going to school for free. You know what I'm saying but you doing more than just going to school for free right off saying you you bring in Revenue Foot at school. you're doing a lot of things you selling filling out the arena every night and I don't know I just feel like it's the job honestly is just me being in the league well. Did you have any responsibilities abilities that you didn't expect from playing college basketball because I guess initially thought isn't GonNa play ball. Go to class but was there anything that when you got you got to do this to me I was. It was pretty much several double. You know go to class every day. Go to practice playing careers pointers. This was working on again next level. Yeah one thing I always wonder about 'cause actually I taught a class lasted duke many years ago. He's be around campus and all of that stuff and being you'd like being your height being who you are if everybody else that was on that campus like what's it like for. You just like walking walking around yeah. you know certain days ago. Sundays bear you know if I had a really really good game like a like a night before like his hectic me walking around campus. You know what I'm saying but for the most part people who are pretty well off you know they have a really good family. You know they're high class also right so like they don't really they don't get to starstruck drug whenever they saw me or anything like that so it just kinda depends on the day honestly want somebody somebody wants to do. Granted Fascinating distinction between students at Duke was is whether natural parents had jobs. You're right. One of your parents have money. It's another thing for your parents to have money in your job exactly right exactly man so this year. What are you looking forward to this year the NBA season not ultimate goes again to the playoffs with a winning record of course and not often. I guess that's that's the biggest piece you know. of course I WANNA grow individually. No score points. Komo reminds you notice. Of course I'M NOT WANNA. Do I fly when you win. People people get paid like demis ton of examples from the past to now. I Toronto won a championship. People going to get paid because they want a championship. You know what I'm saying so not that I went in. Is this ultimately ultimately going to help everybody else in the Ango coached players okay. Here's the training staff for everybody. Everybody has a good oh he went to. He went to the playoffs that he knows what he's doing. He took his players as I did now offer you was the experience been like playing for Jim boiling as good you know it started kind of rough noticed to keep it keep it. We we were like dog. August going on here. Yeah it definitely you know He. He definitely bought a shock to the culture of the chain. you know a free friends great coach great great coach ever do different different than the two different do's and that's what really struggle you know with. GIAMBI assistant fred being the the head coach. I almost kind of two different kind of people point you know one per se wanting in certain way other per say one thing in a different more like a com- away but now with Jim Boylan now as the head coach coach you know he changed the whole face of it and we thought it if I get I everybody felt that as a attack on so like oh no I slow down often. Let you do this with everybody. You know as the days went all mcgann's replay and and this all summer light spend more time with them. He cares about us now. He wants says to win. He he's GonNa do you can't have was when he knows that for him to be coats that we need. He has bring the best out of everybody and at different rates person. Some and people can just have a regular conversation with him. Some people need no someone yell at them. You know get him in. Check so as someone. I'm difficult appreciate no no further down my line. my fifth six-year League. I'll be able to say he really helped my career in. Kepi ruined his sister now. How do they play it for him compared to play for my chefs Jeff because it's not like coach. K. is some shrink and violent. You know no no no Sea Coast K he this some similarities those a I know what's going to bring the out of you in any way he can. WHO's very limited Jim but a macos K. is no was it comes games and when it were planning he's more or laid-back no he does it to Yemen. He doesn't D- super super excited or super down. He stays kind of level but with Jim he he sells his motions. All the time and I mean it is a good thing for me. I like it. I like when you know it shows that goes engaged now saying okay wasn't engaged but Ios at gym like really really cares and I I can appreciate that now for you dealing with injury as a rookie how difficult was therefore you just not being able to play basketball who was tough. you know growing up. I never missed a game now. I've broken my foot played through a toward license ligaments in my i WanNa say am I also kept playing like a party satellite two or three games by just kept playing when I've heard about my thumb and I needed surgery a discount. You know it brought me douse at the low spot for a long time like while. I was going to happen when I come back. You're going to hear back right. That was this no. I need a lot of good people around me. Just know stay in my ear but Indiana had the surgery on my my growing area then that took another tall kinda screwed up my whole summer. I had a really good summer plan in place and wanted to the back lot more stronger faster saying I didn't but I didn't get to utilize Maho someone like I wanted to so what I can say is a body definitely feels a whole lot better now. Now you know everything smells good. Everything is supposed to feel so I fled to summarize should be injury free which is notably now how helpful were like. You're older teammates. Notables ain't got a Lotta old dudes like how helpful were those guys in that time because they dislike. Nobody can tell you what do they haven't had all that money. I imagine it's hard to know what to do with that unless you've got people in your ear that been in the same place exactly No Salat news a lot of players on my team who you know who faced injury also so they will tell me like man. Just stay calm with me being so young that's kind of the beauty of it you know you're going to heal up fast and you have an established anything to the point where it's a huge huge dropoff. Nov Answer and they note Zach to be in particularly no him having a twenty year life he he he dealt with that situation favor will from what I've seen so that's the only deadly helped me through that process now looking at this year you know you've talked about the different things you want to improve in the game. How do you feel about the team going into this year versus last year it was at a couple of veterans and satirize Daddy's Yuan becoming. You're going to be solid really really solid no. It's always good when someone has actually on about you know every I'm going in my second year. Everybody else's up a year. more spence. Everybody had a full summit in Doug individually better so we also relatively young so we were able to relate with one another that so we're going to be really good. She's talking about bother just into the guys being strong league that he's young juster on have Madda yeah absolutely and he'd been there big did that day. He showed I would have made Georgia tech rags. Someone I look up to can reminds me of myself in the way he's never been a thirty point per game kind of player where he survived in this league because he did on the little things and I feel like that's something I can easily do so someone definitely look up to so that when you get into college companies like did you see yourself as a guy that was scored like thirty points because I feel like the guys in the guys in the NBA everywhere. You are thirty everywhere right exactly yeah. There's definitely that was definitely a change for me. You know start off a high school. I was scorned shooting any side. I wanted to you know what I'm saying and then go to college. Kinda similar knows it was a lot of great players around me so we shared the ball pretty well but now is able to do my own thing but then I get to the NBA a lot of great great great players you know saying so we just gotTa learn that you know you go thirty points a game to be successful in this league so you know just find your niche or something that you really really good at master. We'll be back in a minute with more. Wendel Carter but I hire. We can be a slow process cafe tour. Coo Dylan Moskowitz needed to hire a director director of coffee for his organic coffee company but he was having trouble finding qualified applicants so he switched to Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them. I'm for you is technology identifies people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job so you get qualified candidates fast. Dylan posted his job on Ziprecruiter and said he was impressed impressed by how quickly he had great candidates apply. He also used ziprecruiter candidate rating feature to filter is applicants so he could focus on the most relevant ones and that's how Dylan found his new director of coffee coffee and just a few days with results like that. It's no wonder four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day see why Ziprecruiter is effective for businesses. This is a ball sizes. Try Ziprecruiter for free at our web address ziprecruiter dot com slash Bomani. That's ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM slash B. O. M. A. I'd ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Bomani ziprecruiter the smartest way too high a little bit about Atlanta. That's getting out and I was born there. My parents live there. That is where you grew up so like what was growing up in Atlanta life you it was great. I grew up in the suburbs kind of I went to school in the city. grey city favorite city for like is the best city. United States arguing righty hardy about every day will you love Atlanta a Lotta people down there. all Muffin live there so it's always great when I go down and play Dylan Hawks so it was good you you grew up in east point. You went to school at Pace Academy in the city life the difference between living in east point and going to banks what what would you say was the difference staff. I mean I I mean obvious answer would be Lama wealthy people around the pace area and people went to pace the the commute was definitely difficult. You're on the train and bus not a drove of your day yeah so that was pretty difficult every day it was it's like a window. You had to get window. Certain time where you can be sitting in traffic on but I mean other than that I mean it's always great people in both eastern win and and buck is found. I found a great group of France like when you first started going into bucket at school. Though was that intimidated off for you not really 'cause. I knew I knew myself if I was pretty in tune with myself so I knew what I brought to pace. I'll came in as a very smart and a very good basketball player that they never had before so now. Were they surprised at how smart because I know they're horrible was the school. Did you consider in. I wonder if they you know they think it is getting any place in basketball and then they get all of you like I growing up I if it was more so by me just playing basketball with the pace you now say my parents wanted me to go somewhere where I was challenged mentally because they knew it is basketball thing wouldn't last very long so not is looking out for our best interests at heart so when I went to pace it wasn't necessarily to play basketball because they were not good mess my team at Yeah I bought a lot of great things basketball to that school but was more for educational piece in there. Whatever happens with basketball happened and your parents ball players. That's right yeah both of them at their overseas. Dominican Republic my mom Plato Miss Like d you know remember two point when Your Dad realized like Oh hold on this one this one I think is GonNa be good. when I was like fourteen fifteen we will buy the same height and we used to play in the driveway. Day was one day I came home. I was married had a bad day. Not Totally let's go play one kicked his ass just killing them so in the daylight ah mentality he's going to be good. Did he ever play you again after that 'cause. I've always gears you guys when you dance play ball because I know what it's like me playing ball in the drive your Daddy. Daddy has never tried to lose. Never never this always a pride thing with that never so it was so good for me me to beat them but he definitely didn't like it at all the auto. I don't think so now you're not taking place it does not have any at all but that that is a it is just the idea that that moment that he looked up and was just like. Oh okay. This is going to go Komo for you though like when did you realize that like the. NBA might be in your future. probably when I was are we Mont Junior high school played they didn't USA team play for in a Madonna's gay the Jordan brand classic game. I'm like Oh yeah. Scotto might get their Missouri the committed to do and I had all these different. Kentucky do automate Michigan State and okay as long as I play. My Car's not doing all supposed to do. I should be able to make the League after you were there with Marvin Bagley hip and so what was the relationship for you two guys that's my guy. I ought to this day. We stay in contact attack. You know I'm GonNa. Keep honest with you. I was I was hurt when I saw he committed to do and for people who don't know committed and then Bagley reclassified Indian intervene late decided he was coming to do and I'm not gonNA lie. I did hurt me but you know at that meeting. Helmet Meena's family anew used this guy just shot at the saying goes is me wanted to get to the league and you know do some special so you know what has been very similar in that aspect. I got along with them really well. Now we both in the League but when you say it hurts you what part of it hurt Decem committed you know because a new things we've changed as he committed. It was told to me that everything's going to be built around you. Who but I know you know Martin Bag. No more playing draft draft classes coming to this come to school. No my shed a wealth now. No I mean but it's all good everything was supposed to so. I have no regrets in my decision because I wanted that because that was not right around. Would you signed up in that. It was signed I know for it wasn't a thought did all of a sudden it's called do he kind of play it very similar to what you play but I guess that also had to help to a certain certain degree you gain it is like a design how to play with other great players know learning their strengths weaknesses and just capitalism everything that definitely helped me in a Lotta ways. I got asked about the draft fits. I know everybody's going every day. I showed opened the future wage. Whose idea was that. Oh that's my mom's who's watching the was watching TV and it was a commercial with do play by Panther and he had to drop them when across his black suit feel like Oh yeah I like that. NFL draft this is like by like two or three months before the draft and she was like yeah. You gotta get that like we're going to match you now ways but you gotta get that gotta get this modest too much. I do the hit or Miss I. I'm not too going too aggressive or my outfit and stuff was should look at it. Has Someone designed for Oh me. Oh My oh now. She had the right idea Jay walking around here. You see what he wanted. The draft you gotTa look at its fire injuries suit the Jada Rose Bagging David because he handles picking out a suit. I right you know but like when you stepped in had to know like we're killing day definitely best dressed so like when you look at your career like ten years from now. What would you like to be able to say about it. I'd be able to say that I surround myself a good people gummy to my resort which is be a veteran in this league no like. I'm not big on San Yung be MVP I'M GONNA BE I'M GONNA do. I just WanNa live my days the best way I can each day this Dessau. That's Kinda live. I don't really like to look to the future and light to worry about my pass at all with no regrets. I just want to better myself each and every day that's my goal and as long as I'm better myself easy everyday for ten years stray. I'm happy it is interesting. You seem to have a very reasonable outlook on all of these things like when you said it wasn't until June the NBA can happen. I would have imagined that like for for light. Freshman year got good so it's always been you've. You've just really looked at it as kind of small steps in that way I kid reality in my head. Ah I have dreams. I have really really big drain but I was Gonna key reality there so when you're not playing what are you doing. non pre ov until I'd things messy by studies to channel final with the video games and stuff. That's something I'm really really big on. I'd hang out with my family a lot. You Know Mom and dad both in Chicago now so I spent a lot of time with them. trying to better now houses go with your parents the town in trying to establish yourself as an adult while I mean this is a big old. World did did you in right now and so he totally understand why you need to people around you matt. How's that go is you. You know they're still your parents are seeking the independence that comes at your age. those it. It's tough. I you know me being so young. They wanted to always be there for me. Now these different ways but this last year I kind of try to become Alma. No saying it was a tough conversation you know because they wanted to my house. Every single day wanted to cook for me and wanted to clean for me on my ma. You gotTa let grow up in the you know what my dad was. He owned he named when it comes Chicago. He kept on light. Let him live like he'll call us of UNITA's dressing like who was there for Mahdi's year she you won't just leave us like that so yeah no slowly but surely she started my mom specifically starting to understand like okay. Let me let him grow. It's Kinda hard with me joe his space Mama don't never WANNA. Stop Mama Right job one goes. You've got to be like to call before you come yeah exactly but that's how far away from you do they live. I lived in the same building as me. Little Cup floors had changed. Yeah they moved out. I was packing my stuff halfway through the season. Now live like no five or six xbox away not not too far but they will have a key to my house in the Atlantic. Call me or one of homes. I live with my buddy deadly art. The Art of his mom is allowed to bypass the desk at his building. His father is not right here yeah. He's like my dad like my mom. She's not going to do this data. Just show up and down gate this these Ed compensation but you said your mom vs witted. Yep Yep yeah. It was definitely hard but no. I feel like every young man as a conversation with their mom. Mom Dad whoever's in life so I remember the first one that I had with my mom. I was actually it was late because everybody got presently to college me and my girlfriend were going on a trip for spring break and I was like what are you going. I was like I am going to Myrtle beach. Okay okay and she's like well. is she going with you. It was like yeah yeah who else is going like everybody else going. It was awkward silence. I've ever heard on a polk eh but it was the compensation that we had to have life just to me like this is this is what it is. That's what I'll do. She flexed. I had no where whatever response is going to be so now all mayor that makes even all man no matter what you'd be patient it is absolutely doing her best but they gotta be thrilled with all it off eight sided. You know they definitely every day. Love it the White Smile highlights every day replacing music offline pictures of to me. I didn't watch him highlights every day so they really excited but I got one last thing. I'm asked you about it and this may have been for you. I imagine maybe one of the most difficult adjustments about this change in life. What was that first Chicago when it hit off you when cicadas different that's all. I gotta say different they then. I realized that you thought you had a cold. I thought no I had a nice north face coat good. No the is two hundred dollars. I hear day next day. I win spent about five thousand dollars on. I'm like I gotta be prepared. It is because it was like the beginning of the winter wedding. This code is going to be probably like twenty. Twenty fifteen degrees something like that. They're like Oh. This is nothing this started like people walking that was short sean and stuff. I don't like Oh my God. Then we had that crazy snow that crazy storm will negative life fifty degrees. He's outside right with the windshield native sixty or something like that and luckily we was in Miami when that thing he's always good then but now people who had died with that they let us crazy man this. You can help me. I've been trying to explain this to people while it sounds like we found out of touch with mankind. Combat is the truth. I say if you cannot afford a thousand dollars coat. I understand but I bet for you that is worth every dime absolutely love. Have you dial it that coat that woodworking walk into the store just like I need help because the other thing like I guess the ACC into too many super cold places. You'd never really had no exposure to any any place. That was annual lake. 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Setting The Table

"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones for listening wherever you get your podcast. We appreciate it rate us review. Give us five stars. You only give four stars. I'm inclined to think you are hater this is the time week where we do an interview. So the interview didn't show up. How about this game? The interview hasn't shown up. Yeah. But it's kind of crossed that line here if he's not going to show, then he's not showing up. It's been a half hour. It's it's a half hour. So we go do, as long as we speak here before they chases about room because somebody might be coming in to use the room a little bit later, but ABA free agencies coming into this weekend. And by the way, I need to apologize y'all in advance about this because I understand where a lot of y'all go and become a front. But I need to know what the deal is right. So there will be no podcast next week. He's no original podcast next week because that is a week that we get off of television. It so happens that ESPN's got the contract for Wimbledon. And so we're run Wimbledon during the first week of July, but, you know, the NBA's free agency thing is super cracking. I know that people would love us to be around to talk about these things, but because of the woman, and everything else, we not going to be on television. And since we're not going to be on television. I'm leaving the country. That's just how that works. I hate to desert you in that moment that matters. There was actually a time in my career. While would have considered light taking a quick -ment over out of the country, so that I could tell y'all about this free agency because I knew you wanted to hear from me, and I wanted to tell it to y'all and that time of my career has passed. I ain't checking bag for y'all. It's not happening when we get back. We'll be all of the nice thing about doing that, in my opinion, at least is you allow all the chips to fall all the dust to settle. And then you have your reaction. Yes. There there you go. Gave is actually better for y'all. This is. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. This is actually better via which I, I'm doing some to as went to 'cause I'm proud of myself about this last time, but we couldn't really like taking time off because we thought television show, I am taking off every Friday, but wholesome which you think about that. Do you have big plans? I got a couple of plans, I have made no big plans yet because plan I made is I coming to work on Friday also, I'm going to turn into a tradition long weekends every weekend air, we can low again air we every now and then my Thursday, hang onto that neither strategy. It's kind of the death by. Thousand cuts strategy where you're going to feel really rejuvenated over the summer by that extra day. Yeah, but, but in terms of like the TV programming in the podcast, you're gonna feel it. Right. But other thing is like how many like how many weeks off in a Rover like giant trips is really a good idea. You know what I mean? Like it could be like, okay, I take take a week off, and then a work two weeks and then take another week off and then aware couple weeks, and then I take like, nah. Nah, spread things out. Right. Take take take the Friday Beck has to take the Friday. Thank you. A lot of considered. Anyway, there's wanted to give you out a little bit of housekeeping as we had not actually planned to do show that would evolve content, but we will give you that part. We'll be back in a minute. But first, if you don't know your numbers, you don't know your business, but the problem growing businesses have they keeps them from knowing their numbers. Is there hodgepodge of business systems one system for counting another for sales, another inventory, and so on? It's just a big inefficient mess taking up too much time, and too many resources and that hurts the bottom line. 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It's almost like he's spitting in the face of all of the conversations that have been going on over the past couple of weeks. Yes. People have been like Darrell does not care about chemistry and that is why this is happened with hardening, Chris Paul well, but you know what you and I'm gonna do to that. I see your crystal and I raise you two Butler. Right. Like, what I wanna know is, what does Chris Paul? Think of this. Yeah. Right. Chris, Chris Ball needed somebody else. Things easier charge, Chris polymers learned the hard way that he is not in charge. Right. And then on top of it. Did you see lame tweet that the rockets sent out during the during the NBA awards about how James harden was basically the real MVP? Did you see that, that was very lake revenge of the nerds? That was so wack and on top of it being so wag, I bet you I bet you Chris Paul Sada, you know, Chris Paul's it. See, see, see, that's, that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about. Right. This is what is. That's what I'd be talking about y'all. Wonder why do think he run everything right anywhere? James harden, t-shirt to the NBA awards. The Chris Paul, no. I think Darryl, Maury, Maury, I did not see that. Well, I think he did y'all. What are you doing? This is so dumb gone to San man. He fit a heat on his seat. And what I don't get if I'm Maury. Why don't you call dude in Washington? We have reason to believe that he's willing to pay eight figures for general manager. Why don't you go try to get that job? Start this whole thing over and then go from there like time is up over here. You got a new owner heat and kick it like you kick it, and he's a little bit cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Like I mean he he's out here trying to get it done, and he's a booster right? As booster crazy. This is what you work for. Don't you see the writing on walls, and I guess if you've been billed as long as more he's been building. And it took him a while to. Get to a place where he had a team had a legitimate chance at winning a championship. Like always give him credit that he figured out how to keep the rockets competitive while putting them in a position to win. And now he's at the all important it is where you start making some short term negative long-term sacrifices to make the short term moves that you need to win a championship. And maybe just too close for him to take the chance of walking away and somebody else, take their job win a championship. And then you never get to say you got it. I have no idea, but dog you are done in this town. And, you know, he'd done in this town, because he's saying Dem's vio-, Jimmy gotta make this happen. Well, they've been trying to make this whole Jimmy thing happened for the better part of almost a year now because they were trying to get him at the deadline and they offered four first round picks it, and I don't even know how great Uffizi is for what it is. The rockets want to do. I also don't know why I don't think that Jimmy Butler has to be the guy to like initiate your office, but I do think he'd like to initiate, your offense every now and then you got three twos who want to initiate, the offense alpha male types. Yes. Although James harden, I guess, is an alpha male. But you ever notice we don't ever really hear him talk. Yeah. Yeah. He's more of let my game do the talking. I got a beard, and I'm hiding behind it much money. He made off that damn beer. James beard, you deeds. Give them to one dollars. That was very interesting brand by him. Because like when he was in college Aaronson state. He didn't have the mohawk, right? He didn't have the beard. He did have some messed up teeth. Yeah. And then once they got in the league fixed all that, that he waited awhile of the teeth because I think he did the teeth when he was with the car dashing, woman, the beard, everybody like the beard was probably the great strategy for the T, only look I got a bag and fix my teeth, too. So I'm not out here judging him. I know what is like you gotta go after certain points. You look up and you ought to be out, here would Mesto grew. And if that was me that definitely was James harden. But look, he was in Oklahoma City. He was the number three dude. He got that mohawk. And he got that beard, and that's how we know who he is. But otherwise we'd be talking about him. Like we talk about Tim Duncan, or any of these other. Silence. Superstars it. Oh, you don't. Ever hear him talk about anything. You're just don't write. But that is his team. They built that whole thing around him. Now, the Jimmy thing that was interesting because I was actually talking to Stephen Smith about this. And he is reported that Jamie's thinking about the rockets, the rockets thinking about Jimmy. The people I talked to tell me that Jimmy is not going to go to Houston. The thing I do know about Jimmy as released Houston is, and it's funny, I was actually just having a very pleasant conversation will Cain outside and significant topic of conversation of how we both love the movie boomerang. Have you seen boomerang gay? I've heard of boomerang. Never seen it. Very good. Usual, watch it will no scenes like he's quoting him by just the coordinate saying either he pretty adept at boomerang. When did boomerang come out? Nineteen ninety one or nineteen ninety two I can't remember which is one of those two years before my time. Yeah, yeah. No, it's great movie, though. One of the greatest romantic comedies of may. Use check it out. But anyway, what will cause you were talking about Butler, and he's all there we go. But we would just kinda talking about Tom ball, Texas has a question for Jimmy's from Jimmy's from Tom Texas now for people who are from he was certain age. Tom ball is a catch all term that they use the describe everything that's fought to the north and has country white people in that is the way that it goes, right? Like like that is, you know, the, the, the antiquated phrase that we really don't use. No more people talk about some B afar. They refer to it is like Tim buck to, you know, people used to do that Libya raises. But as. They would do anyway. That is the way that people use Tom ball in Houston, if they are from the south side he was the nets. That's how they use. Tombaugh like oh man. He's all the way down ball. Right. That's the classification for being far away. But it's Houston, right. It's Houston ish, but is definitely a different place. Jimmy is from Tom ball. Jimmy don't love Houston. Like people from Houston, Houston Jimmy, don't see himself as being a person from Houston this idea that he just wants to go play for the rockets. I don't I don't know. I struggle with that they can come up with the money and Philly doesn't come up with the money. And that's what it's going to be. I think Philly is ultimately going to come up with the money and they are going to keep him. So I, I don't think this is going to come up that he goes to the rockets. I'm just looking at Maury like dog. What is this that you don't understand what, what part of this, like everybody on our team gets along? Just fine. Let's just say for a second true. Right. Maybe it's possible. Right. I'll people trust don't agree with that, then here in for months that people were getting tired of Chris Paul. And then we find out. Chris Paul tired of James harden? And he got good reason all of that stuff. Nobody's looking up at that and be like, yo, get Jimmy Butler on the phone. Let's make this better. That's not going to make this better. Tell you what I did was funny to you see where PJ Tucker was like, everybody don't matter of everybody hate each other. We went to championship you saw that, you know why. You know what J Tucker see it that way? Because PJ Tucker is not at a place in his NBA career where he can be letting little things like not liking people affect anything. Right. He not good enough of that. He can't go into more is be like I want to trade why I don't like these dudes. Okay. And he doesn't want to go play for an inferior team. He knows that good team there. Yeah. That's the other wild part about this is if they can get it straight. Why can't they win the west? Yeah. And now they're trying to get rid of a bunch of really good pieces, like they're trying to get rid of air. Gordon. Who's like, finally healthy for the first time in his career, and he was balling, during the playoffs trying to get rid of Capella, and also trying to get rid of PJ Tucker what's gonna be left? Yeah, Jimmy Butler in the gore. Those guys what are you going to have left? What frontcourt player are you going to have? What are you doing? I thought it weird because they could be good, right? They could win the west with the team they have. But where they are. Chris paul. I think this is the dangerous space Iran, and they gotta figure out exactly what they're gonna do it. It's one thing of Chris Paul is like, I don't like James heart. It's another thing. Chris Paul's like I don't think this can work. And he seems to believe that it can't work like if it's just I don't like you. You can figure that out case in point the warriors this year. Right. They had a bunch of dudes who for various reasons, did not like one another not that they all disliked each other. But you had significant people on the team, who didn't like each other at different points, but they didn't they didn't question whether or not it could work. Chris Paul is looking at this and being like the way we doing here. I don't think this can work and it's hard to get somebody to go all out on a plan that they don't think in work, and that's where the rockets are. And as I wanted to Chris Bobby, like, oh, yeah. So now we're going to bring in Jimmy Butler, too. Don't don't don't. I don't know. No, no. The museum is a little different by Jimmy Butler versa. Chris Ball, gave you tell me, you told me from Tribune here, it goes two years to hear about Chris Ball, having problem. Jimmy got problems. We're gonna hear about that day one. And that's just like goes back to the Maury thing and why he thinks that Butler would be good for the team every single stop that he's been at. He has had some issues well. And there's us like there were things in Philly. I worry less about the fact that there are issues that I worry about the nature of his personality as it relates to what he'll be coming into. Yeah. When I mean, when I say issues, I mean volatility between teammates and putting them on the rockets is not exactly become match made in heaven, though, this is not what you will, this is that what you gave you got to be to be good for business, it would be. But here's my question. Why do people always? Want to believe that other people want to go home, like overweight Jimmy's from around Houston? So let's go really hard for Jimmy because there's a part of Jimmy inside of him that wants to go home. I'm I don't think it's an assumption that, that is safe to make, I think a lot of people view the world that way, and I think a lot of also keep him on a lot of people most people don't leave home. Right. They stay where they stay close where they grew up. And so I like on that level. I understand it. But I also think that all of us have lived long enough that we know some people that don't ever want to go back home. Home is the last place in the world that they want to go. So let's say we have one of these top players and that player was from New Orleans, right? Johnny right now, two kinds of people on that. There are people who, if New Orleans was an option and they could go back home. There would be nothing that they would do faster than that. And then there's option to and those people that don't even wanna go home for the by you classic like, I know these people they're like, no, I got outta here and I ain't never coming back, none of the world, quite lighten the wallet, sometimes. That's good. Sometimes that's bad. But some of those people are like no under no circumstances ever returning there at all right? Some of those guys are in the NBA and the other thing you gotta remember about basketball players is, especially now these cats spent so much time on the road, and he's kids, do so much move into go play at different schools, like starting at thirteen fourteen years old home, don't mean, which I think it does to them. You know they've been making nothing but businesses fraud his time now. I think it'd be fair to say to some of those people are going to be tired of making businesses than decide to go home this on the to that. But like the assumption that guy is from here. So he's gonna wanna come back now. No not. Not really high works. They don't forget this man. And I'm saying this generally, you gotta remember man. Don't everybody like a mobile? You know, not everybody momma cook cook good. You know what I'm saying like all that. Oh man. I get to go back home and do this. That ain't how everybody remembers whole just just as a general rule that ain't that ain't how everybody everybody sees like oh, man, I'll get to go to all these old spots. Don't everybody remember him spots warmly, as you do everything for free agencies viewed at through this lens coli co I want to go back home. Go back to LA. Oh, Kyrie's from the New York metropolitan area, kyri wants to go back home plan, New York. Yeah. And I think there might be something to Hawaii who knows. Rikers Kawai doesn't talk Paul George did want to go back to California. And then he stayed in Oklahoma City. A little different, right? This just a just different. All right. We'll be back in a minute. But first hiring used to be hard, multiple job sites. Stacks resumes confusing review process, but today, we can be easing only go to one place to get it done. 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Because I read today they talk about him going to Boston when Katie was healthy. I thought I had heard a conversation of, oh, if they don't get Kyrie in K D to go to the Knicks. Maybe could be like a Kadian Kimba situation again. Oh, Kemba is from New York. So maybe he'll wanna go play for the Knicks, but he did go to uconn. So there's kind of this New England thing going on here with the Celtics. So let me ask you a question. Do you really know how good Kimball logger is like, do you feel confident you yourself making a real declaration of what caliber player can Balkars? Well, I think I might be a little jaded here, just because I go to uconn currently up in this kind of the up in this country. Lear. That is Yukon these parts around these parts that man walks on water title. Right. And everybody just kind of the rest of the nation learned to realize that once he kind of figured it out in the league, right? Because coming out of college, he was like, underrated big time Kemba you know, he was good at uconn. We don't know how good he'll be in the league and a small guard. Well, here's why asked that. I feel like Kimball Walker is in a way twenty nineteen free agencies. Chris Bosh into ten and this is what I mean. We were all aware that Chris Bosh was good, right? We seem Chris Bosh make all starting right? How many games did we really watch? Chris Bosh play because you play for the raptors. Right. And unless you leave pass person he played for the rafters down, put the raptors on national television, very much because they in the wrong national, you know what? I mean. Don't really do. They on national television Canada. So it counts. But people weren't really watching Chris Bosh. And then he got to Miami. And people were really catching up on what it was that he could do. Any was putting a role that was different than it was. Even if you've seen a plan to run over, we really no one like that. You dig play for the Hornets is really not that much different than playing in Canada. At least as it comes to national recognition and people actually watching your gains the most notable thing about Charlotte is that they've got the slick Jordan pinstripe Younis. That's it. They do. They do. But do you think about that? All right. Like, like people, I think people do a lot more talking about Kemba Walker than they do watching him play. Now, they're certainly people who are qualified to discuss him as a player, don't get me wrong. But Kemba Walker. Scored by what twenty six points a game this year. Kemba Walker also put up a usage rate of thirty one or something in that sewn. That's not like astronomical. But that's high. It was ninth in the league he's twenty six points game. Now that's cool. I guess, but do you think him to walk is going to put up a thirty percent usage rate plan for the Celtics? And if he does go up there and put up with thirty percent usage rate plan for the Celtics. How do you think that's going to go with Tatum and Brown who weren't cool with that when it was carry who was doing that? They still ain't figured out how to get Gordon Hayward shots and get all those other guys shots. I don't think for second that the move that you need to make. If you're the Celtics is to get what is in effect, a lesser version of Kyrie Irving. Or at least what I can tell because I have not watched him Walker play basketball that much. But I feel like you go look at this the typical profile. He's, it's the same sort of thing. Right. A scoring lead guard who occasionally passes the ball to people Kemba Walker for his career. Average is five and a half assists. The game does this sound like a good idea to you because this is not. I repeat not sound like a good idea to me. It is not sound like they've learned their lesson like their belief is we were good. The problem is just that we didn't like kyri. No. You had some kind of structural flaws with your team, even if guys did like hiree like all that stuff was there and in place and Boston's playing the game. Now we're everything, basically everything has used carries fault. It was all guy. Reads fall, and I do believe a lot of it probably was on kyri. And I do believe a lot of those guys didn't enjoy kyri being there. But, you know, we're talking about car rita's talking about kyri makes you not talk about Gordon Hayward. Easy. This where I think it was Jackie MacMullan attack me by live with career. But I think Jackie MacMullan mentioned this that one of the problems, they had in Boston is that they forced Gordon Hayward back. And so you got these Catholic Tatum Brown, who had done so well, last year without Gordon Hayward and for what it's worth did very well with Kyrie Irving, but Kyrie Irving wouldn't take minutes away from them. And so these cats feel like Gordon Hayward is not playing well enough. He should not be on the floor enders shoehorn them into the lineup. Now, part of that I would assume has to do with the fact that they're paying Gordon Hayward a gazillion dollars in your going to play. If you make that much money and don't think for second that the Celtics when they sign Gordon Hayward didn't consider the possibility that his presence would help them. Still tickets Red Auerbach would have thought of that, just so, you know, anyway, so they're forcing Gordon Hayward into this. It is college coach. Right. So the coach is his college coach that's pushing them through there and who knows what those guys think about Danny aimed at this point. And Danny aimed is pushing this probably also. At least I bet that's what their perception is. How do they go handle that next year? What do you think was worse for morale Carribean a jerk or the other players filling as though, someone who did not deserve minutes was the one who was getting them and it wasn't just minutes who's also like disaster turns? Yes. My Jackie said that they were forcing him the ball to. So if you like for Celtics fans, you know, I'm sorry, but not really sorry if you think you got really your problems by letting Carey walk at town. It ain't no Rieti. Yeah. There's a reason why Horford one in our that, that to me is the most stinging indictment and understand apparently Horford. Horford's gonna get an offer that the Celtics are unwilling to match, but I mean, what are they talking about Dallas Horford? That's where we, we've been hearing about the possibility that he will go to Dallas, if he would be willing to go to granny no state tax, but you'd be willing to go to Dallas to do this. You could just and get the thirty. It's hard to be sure whether he wants the extra years, or whether he wanted his wants the max, those years he was the years. I think the game was going to be like Z Margus all opted into his twenty five. I saw and that tells me because I thought out Horford will be running so fast object at thirty, but that means that the Saul looked around tried to get a long term deal couldn't get it decided to opt on the twenty five. It looks like Horford. Look for a long-term deal that he wanted probably non figures. Got it. He's going to go over there and take it. But I don't think that, that guy a guy that point of his career when no championships. They do you think that guy does that if he's happy where he is? Because I don't. And so, yeah, if you think they're getting kyri outta. There is just going to take care of everything. I don't think so. And I think you need to be very wary defied that the Celtics are trying to make it abundantly clear that, hey, it's all kyri. Oh, we need. Good people in here. So what about Al Horford? I hope it was a good person. Right. I never heard about his anything bad about Al Horford get him out of there. I mean, the can get him out of there, but he's getting out of there and don't you think for second Monday, tell about that kyri bad persons stuff. It kyri was willing to come back to Boston. You'd think they're taking. Okay. Right. So they can talk all that noise. They won't if he was coming back. They would be glad to have them. I'm just telling you this other thing, too, I don't know where kyri going go. But I imagine that team is going to play a game against the Boston Celtics, and that game will be played in Boston and Gabe who. They better be careful. Putting them microphones in the crowd. You hear what saying no one turns the page faster than Boston. But when he comes back, it's going to be ugly. It's going to be real ugly. You know why it's going to be ugly. Jag. Meanwhile, also said to kyri did not like living in Boston. Okay. So when I saw that there was some like alarm bells often head, I was like, alright here for it wanna know more. Well, here's the thing, right? I personally am going to leave it at he doesn't like living in Boston. 'cause Boston is different. You know what I mean? Like, like no matter how you spend it. It's a different kind of city. It is a handful of cities in this country. That I'm just like okay so this is just different. New Orleans, boys. Apple is one of those where was like, okay this is like anything else, you could think of a few more. But like Boston is just different is one you'll love it. Just ain't gonna be for you, but is different. So I'm going to leave open the possibility that Boston just wasn't his speed. However, gave you ain't got even say it out loud. But a what you think most people think when they hear curry didn't like Boston, not the weather. That's all I'm saying. Right. The that assumption is going to be made. And I know that, that assumption is going to be made by people who are from Boston, and people who are not from Boston. Right. And the people who are going to make that assumption who are not from Boston going to be like, see what I tell you. But people who make that assumption who are from Boston as they do on many other matters going to take it very, very, very personally. And let me tell you what people from Boston take as personally as anything else in the world. That I that somehow they are more racist than the rest of America. Now is Boston more races than the rest of America. I don't have the data in front of me. All this stuff is pretty raises. If we'd be honest. However, Boston got a little bit more of a rep than other places to right. And hey, I'm not the one that gave it this rip Gators holes on the internet out here thinking that I'm the reason people think Boston is races. There's a history here. Yeah. Yeah. I was born in nineteen eighty bright. I ain't even had that much time to get warm to be out here making that happen. I'm just telling you that is what people think and I was talking about buddy, Joel Addison of about this day. This is really funny. Like the people who are from places with, like the big racism, reputations. They will do two things very quickly, a they will bring before you any black person who seems to enjoy living in that place. They do that. Now, number two, is another interesting dynamic facet that exists in. It is primarily among black people who live in these places. And those are black people who live in these places who are from these places and happen to love these places, which I can understand this is how it goes homes home. I get it. But those people as Email, you anytime they see any incident of racism in a place that is not their own, like have you ever met a black person who's from Mississippi who really loves Mississippi and then they wind up trying. Explain to you that Mississippi. Is it really that raises? I have not they're out there and falls from Boston Audie. Exact same way. And I get where they're coming from is their argument is y'all are using basically, you scapegoating the rest of us, right? Y'all are looking at us. Even though y'all know was while races, where y'all live to, like, how did you decide that we more raises the anybody else, and I always say about America everywhere in America would be like Mississippi. If it has many, black people Mississippi, Mississippi now is around thirty six percent black but at different points in history. Mississippi was like sixty percent black right. It makes everything you know, about Mississippi makes a whole lot more sense. When you think about it being sixty percent. Black are right. But if you may Colorado six six percent, but Colorado, thirty five percent black, then this ski on slows might as well be kind baby the same place. That's all you gotta flip up on that. You can see that all over your life. So when you see people from these places they do get mad. They get really defensive about the idea that people somehow think that they're. Raises, and nobody else is they hate that they really, really do. And that's what kyri Irv is going to be up against what he goes back to Boston. For the first time. That's it. Kyri could just be like L man, our really liked cold. Our really like clams, you know, this is this is not really my kind of thing. I wanted to get out to the west coast have the top down. Whatever it is. That's not what you mean. Kyri somebody say, but once he got out he doesn't like Boston. You know where people's minds are gonna go? I feel like I don't wanna watch that game when he goes back game ESPN game. Yes. Mole right away. We lead net money. Walk out the door. You don't let them go to a big market, like if he goes and plays for Brooklyn, you got the New York market and the Boston marketing. So, yeah, we don't put that at the very least it's going to be on TNT. I want the sounds of the game. Oh, the hot mic. No. We don't want we don't want. I mean we do but we don't they not gonna take this will? I think the reception that he receives going back to Boston is going to be somewhere between Kevin Durant Spurs game in Oklahoma City and LeBron's first game in Cleveland, in twenty ten nothing would be somewhere between those two both of them were pretty nasty. But I don't like to your point. I don't know if it's going to be as nasty as this kyri thing, like I saw a poll from some like Boston sports station where they were saying like, oh, who'd you rather have is your point guard the Celtics and it was like a kyri be Kemba and the voting was like ninety five percent. Really? They even have timed. Is he like Dwight Howard Dwight Howard was for Lakers, he wouldn't, even here that long, would you developed a lot of hate form, like in a real short run and the guy actually played pretty well? He was there too. The Celtics spent years and years, and years, building up the assets to make that type of deal. So there's a lot of pressure on whoever that deal or whoever was acquired in that deal. Right. That person had a lot to live up to that person who's gonna be the future of the franchise all that stuff. And so to see everything blow up in their faces. I think part of the hate for kyri now is no is like the houses burning. And they've got to blame it on somebody, and they're not gonna blame it on Dany age, for not swinging deal for Paul George or for Koi, Leonard. They're going to blame it on kyri because kyri was the straw that broke the camel's back. He played pretty well there to like you said he wasn't even there for that long. That's what's so great about this. Is there for such a short amount of time? It was like nah, I'm good piece. They hate that, dude. They eight that do and they thought it was safer because he had, like two years on his deal when. They traded for him instead of one. Right. So it wasn't a quiet situation, wasn't a Paul George rental type situation. They're like, oh, you know, we'll get a chance to kind of bring them into culture show. We'll be an Celtic is all about. And he's going to love it. We're gonna win championships and soured real quick. Oh, just one year ago old buddy was, like, if you'll have me I'd love to stay just a year ago. That is hilarious. All good. It was all it really was all good. As much as he's the problem he was. There guy he was their guide. They were willing to go down with Kerry, as they're like one a star. It's a wrap it now route. We'll be back in a minute. But first, you've heard us talk about hymns and how they're helping guys look their best. If you haven't yet it's time to see what they're all about sixty six percent of men lose their hair by age thirty five like me, and that is a big problem. The thing is when you start to notice hair loss. 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So it'll be interesting to hear Shane thoughts but man to go from thinking you're getting kyri or Kemba in K. D N, Anthony Davis. On to get nothing. Forgot, they got teas by the lottery. Your forgot they were still in it. Going into the commercial. That's right. They were supposed to get the number one pick. Of. So glad it spent the whole year tanking in, like cutting bait on salary to position themselves that they have max slots, assigned, Kevin Durant. And then they get rid of Kris Porzingis, 'cause they oh, we've got K D bag, but I think that was a smart play. Are they should live where things go? Sure. But then for it to Algo, so south, I mean you could nobody could have predicted that Katie was going to blows achilles. But man another series of unfortunate events for these northeastern teams and being as a transplant out here I'm totally here. Is that you're loving every bit of it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I'm surrounded by Knicks fans and Celtics fans and everybody's like so depressed right now. So unhappy there the Celtics fans are as unhappy right now as the team was during the season. I hear the joy it is rare that I hear legitimate joy in your voice, what we do this show, not that you're not having a good time. But you know what? I mean I hear pure unadulterated joy from you. Yeah I'm smiling right now. I gotta smell them face. This is great. It's actually funny because I think this free agent thing is going to be a little bit of a Downer from what we expected the Durant injury. And then the clay towns injury just flipped up everything, right? Where it seems like now guys are going to stay. I think the Kawai is going to stay the figure that Durant is gonna wind up staying and I do think that Al Horford where he goes winds up being interesting. I mean, I'm guessing the guy's going to stay in Orlando because they got to pay anybody you think right by any chance. Good. They have. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah. Like, I don't know. And then the Knicks and the Lakers, my Wanda with nothing. But I mean, is it better for the Lakers? They don't wind up with a guy like how do you feel about this idea of maybe bringing the Angela Russell bay? You know what I like when all the stuff happened with him in Nick young? And they were just like oh, we gotta get dandelos off the team because he's a snitch. I was of the opinion who's more important? The franchise de ngelo or Nikki young. Yeah. Like I you know, let's get rid of Nick young how about that. And then when we traded him away, it was to cut salary in cut Mazda contract, which was a mistake by Cup Jak from the year prior. So I would venture to say that most Laker fans were like sad when he left and feeling really annoyed and angry about it because we shouldn't have had to trade him and he descended up being like a filler to cut salary. Yeah, I think they decided it seemed like with the collection of guys. They had at the time that he just had to go. And I'm not around them because as silly as it is that really was people really work down at the Angelo Russell like he violated the most sacred codes. Right. I it was it was dude love to get out here and talk about, you know, man, you will respond to, you know, they love that kind of stuff. And so he got caught up in that. But my thing is he's not that good of a player. I think he can put he can get you buckets, and he can put up numbers like you know, like, like the raw Hsun stuff. But I don't think anything that he has done this far in Brooklyn indicates what he'll be as a number three option. He's another guy like him Walker would have thirty plus usage rate. You're not going to be thirty plus usage guy on the Lakers LeBron, Anthony Davis. So what are you as a number three option? And let me tell you. I don't get the feeling that that's something that the ngelo Russell was interested in finding out. Well, so there's this video that was circulating on the internet from an interview that deems loaded with leakers nation, like four years ago or something like that when he was a rookie three years ago. I don't know how many years he's been in this league. But they were asking him about his dream starting five, like, who would what type what starting five do you play in would be your dream scenario and LeBron AD were both in that starting five, and so in that if he that's his dream scenario. He thinks he's going to be deferring in that scenario because he's going to be given the ball up to does well, any realistic person within writing. All right. But can you assume you can never soom realism when you're talking about an athlete evaluate in his own game? Relative to anybody else, do you think it's different with LeBron though has LeBron had a as there have been a teammate of LeBron's aside, from like rookie year? Ricky, Dave outbound, David story aside for Ricky Davis. Okay. Ricky Davis aside, as there have been a teammate of LeBron's that you can remember that was like, I'm not getting the ball enough. I'm not getting my shots kyri Irving. Wow. You really brought this full circuit. How quickly we forget. I'm almost forgetting about Kerry's tenure with Cavaliers right now, people talking about Cavs go to the Lakers. No, he not. He already know he don't like this. This is not what he does. I think with the Angelo, maybe the hope is that he's a good three point shooter. He's a really good passer. He doesn't he can be ball dominant like he was this past year will like he was when with the Lakers, and they weren't very good. But I think the hope is that he can kind of become like a facilitator just kind of corner three point shooter or like off the dribble, three point shooter, but not everybody wants to do that. Like Chris Bosh is harder to find hard to find people realize, Kevin, Love's hard to find if you realize how do you do want to? And he wants to get paid. This is that I guess that will be that's where the interesting stuff comes up. And the thing about all of this is, is it's a lot of it. Can't happen right away. Some of it has to wait for other things to fall like DeAngelis, probably going to have to wait to make a decision until kyri and Katie of already made. There's 'cause kyri not meant not make his until Katie is made his so that the nets can make a decision on whether or not they're going to relinquish Dangelo rights. He's a restricted free agent. I mean this could like I don't think it's going to be done the first day things are going to be going in well into next week. I agree I agree. I mean we deserve deserve and they come back. I get everything wrapped up tidy foot of people upon Neta. We got anything. We got anything else to talk about. All right. Hoodoo who sign Jordan Clarkson. That's right. Yeah. Another clutch client. To be honest. They could actually have a starting five. These are Windhorst's words not mine. He said that they could have starting five of clutch clients, good God. Like the Lakers could. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Moore's twins clutch client as well. Okay. So we got Marcus Morris could be clutch client catava caldwell-pope is leaving right? Yeah. He's probably leaving who else would be the flies Clark's coming back Impac already and they're probably not going to bring him back. Genie? Got stop hiring all these people. She no retreads. I mean, they're also looking to bring back brook Lopez to wouldn't be the worst idea. I, I. It's all the fault also. But it seems to be based off faulty logic. No, no, no. This is okay. You get that old thing back again. Because I find now we give Lopez that I mean, he won't be the same for you. As he was at another clo- eventually, I think, Ben Simmons is going to be a Laker. He's a client. And he's for extension this summer. I have been saying for a long time. I don't know of his actually gonna happen. This is not based on idiot side information. But I would not be surprised if Ben Simmons played out the qualifying offer, and accelerated his path to unrestricted free agency. I don't think he wants to play in Philadelphia. I don't think he should wanna play there, by the way, but I would not be surprised if you played out qualifying offer and then became a mistreated free agent as both on the extension. And that would be the most gangster move. The Rich Paul and company have pulled off. I wouldn't be surprised either from a stray Elia. What is you wanna be in Philly? Yeah. And also playing with Embiid man like he was going to be playing with him beat and Jimmy if he stays is that's something you really wanna stick around for. Like if you have been Simmons and you see yourself as been seasons. So do you see yourself as being the number three whether you shoot or not, do you see yourself that way? I doubt it. Which is kind of what he was relegated to in the playoffs, right? Yes. Yes. 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We Back, Baseline Pt. 3

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We Back, Baseline Pt. 3

"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app at gas wherever podcast, we appreciate it. Right. As reviewers gives five stars four stars. I'm inclined to thank you are a hater coming up on today's episode for Russell Wilson got his paper Nick Bosa who out here trip in. We also have a little interview show Robertson baseline our series on the supermax contract in the NBA bef- ours. Magic. Somewhere. Somebody's reached and grabbed a fairly sizable bottle of malt, liquor taking a big ole sweet and said. Things back to the way they were. And I don't even know who exactly that person is who's doing that to be honest because just as the appeal of liquor is universal. So too is the appeal of Tiger Woods and Tiger Woods. I hear kicking partying like his nineteen ninety seven got himself. A win at the masters, and I feel like a lot of people looked up and just for brief moment. Even if just right then they was like. Things back to the way they were. Good watchdog win. Did it did it did? I, you know, I want to be the one tell everybody live in the moment now, baby. No need to be trying to forecast how he going to do it to PG, which by the way is now soon forgot they changed that up. I know time to be worried about one baby happy that you got this one. This was like this the miracle baby. Like Jay is one eighteen majors. The eighteenth was the miracle baby. That's the one where he was forty six years old when the masses for the first time in eleven years this I win at the masters for the first time in fourteen years at forty three years old a he got all kind of tinker in his stuff that's been done with his back. Like, maybe as pas what he's going to go on some crazy ROY to win a bunch of made. But don't be betting on that baby. Take this right here. It is not to be taken for granted. We got that old thing back in a way that there was no reason for us to expect that we was going to get that old thing. Around horn TV show. I used to do right? They put up a montage everybody saying tiger would never win another major. I certainly said the tag would never win another major. I said that over and over and over again ahead. No problem onto why you bet on miracles. You know, the cop. I'll play would have been for me to be like, yes, he's going to win another major nobody ever calls. You all now when now you say he's not and then he does. And then all of a sudden gets to be like, they they said, they doubted you tiger doubted that met that man bag made out of what I don't even know what they make. They say they use it. I don't know what they put in there. He got called in his back. Our have any idea what it is? But he took all that call can start us and everything else they got in his back. He went out there. And he served him cats up and see one thing that I was interested in about the way that he won this time being in that final group was at Tiger Woods never come from behind that a major win. This is the first time this happened. He was out there. With Francisco Mullen Nari and told Tony fee now. Yes, Tony fee. Now, he was out there with Tiger Woods. And you watch the moment where each got shook and thing about the back nine at the masses. Just generally speaking man, anybody can get shook out there like you can't necessarily. Attribute that to dyke the plane with Tiger Woods part. Except for the fact was they got shook and he didn't. And tiger seem to also spend a whole lot of time like standing right behind him do when they were shooting. Give him to is grew. Maybe it was just because they gave us more camera time on which I seem to be looking at him dues. Like, you're standing in the way of history. Nair years. He's back. We've back got Bastos that was crucial thousand clutch. That was big. That was fun gave did you watch. I did not. Oh, man. I kinda rearrange my day around. Right. Like, I had originally planned for the cool three seven window on TV CBS. You know what I mean? And then they gave us at ninety two. And I was like, okay. We'll get some ordering deliver for lunch baby. I plan to go out for a little brunch. Action on my own. But not man didn't happen. Didn't get no sir of people had the same plans eating in this this past weekend spending the whole day glued to the couch. Now, man I plan to go out early. You know, what was the first game was Indiana in Boston? I mean Russell. Oughta did. And I didn't you know what I mean? I was gonna go get brunch. I want the head like like fruit spread with it. You know, what I wanted to do? Right. I wanted to give them a grew up. But now dead flipped I plan up when tiger turned out to be on the thing. And it's not like, we got those super amazing. Tiger shots. You know now that he didn't have good shots, whatever. But I I don't have any like lasting singular memory of him bringing it home just as much as the fact that do manage to bring it home and perpetuate our holy and wildly conditional relationship with Tiger Woods by. We were you a tiger fan gate, or are you of the aged even really having opinion on these things? I mean, I was VJ Singh fan growing up. But I'm not the biggest Gulf and didn't expect to hear that. Yeah. Man with the kangol. Okay. I guess I could see I just never had any heard anybody say that in those times. Okay. Cool. Everybody got fans that's cool VJ saying rocket out. I I mean. I said this on Twitter people like Muno species self, but you come home Ashby read about this. As a collective, man. We really liked that do Tiger Woods like that. I mean. Okay. Or I mean, I'll speak for myself. I ain't got from saying I don't really like to do like that. And I feel like if people like really liked that do like that. Then when he had his little trouble ten years ago. It wasn't like it was like two sides pushing against each other. You know, what I mean, it wasn't as though he was these warring factions in argument, we were pretty much unified and at best laughing at Tiger Woods at worst chastising that admonishing Tiger Woods. But I mean here really given us a whole lot himself to like, I think he's one of these cases where he's got an avatar for a lot of people and a lot of ways where he represents certain things you can like what he represents. But we ain't got no real personal attachment. It is do ill know nothing about him. I one thing I agree with the people who made argument they had some right feel betrayed by. Woods because he had sold. Him portray this like wholesome image. And it turned out that he was at year. You know, love and life living crazy, you know. Eight. Oh, he we understood. I understand the people that say that's not what you told us that. This was I feel like those people kind of naive suckers to degree. But yeah, okay. I get what they was talking about there. But in in man that stuff was just funny. Oh, man. I got months of content out of that, man. It was just hilarious. The story was funny added did not get caught in any moral outrage and indignation about that. That whole situation was just funny, and it was funny for Nomer of reasons. Now, I don't know if in twenty nineteen the whole idea that that that his his his Queen waylaid, his automobile would a golf club and all that stuff. Like, I don't think we'd approach that same sense of humor in two thousand nineteen but finding out the Tiger Woods was out there picking up to five dollars foot long from subway and drop them off with waitress at Perkins guys. That was funny. We agree on that. Right. That was that was just all the came down to it was like a really humiliating situation for the dude, obviously. But like angrily care, you know, but people rose up after that happened, man. It was a lot of finger wagging. It was a lot of everything else. And that's oh, y'all don't actually like this student, right? Because you got to think about this a significant part of I don't even know if novelty is the right word, but a significant part of the appeal, the Tiger Woods is the idea that he broke into this world that he's not supposed to be in and dominated right? And I mean. We can be honest about this. I mean is it's transparent just be the only person who's like inclined to say it explicitly. But it was like, yo how cool is this? A black guy is dominating. And all white sport. As you serious question. Where the white people just been like cool with that. An hold onto stuff that's out here that turns out all white by accident. That's not. That's not really. That's not really how it goes. There's normally been measures that are put in place to make that happen. And so there are certainly some people white black purple. How have you wanna put it? Right. That. Absolutely find that idea to be cool. But anything we know about history indicates not not everybody thinks this is dope. It. Oh, man. Tiger Woods was just so good. At this that you had to watch it like, you couldn't take your eyes off of it because it was so appealing just the way that he did it, right? Transcending greatness. We've seen many many many many many times over that transcending greatness can conquer all kinds of pettiness and hatred and everything else right people don't wanna feel left out. And with the sport that he plays. It was arguable. You know, there's no teammate that. You attribute anything to anything else? No note is one man stands alone taking on all y'all and beaten all y'all in ways Jew. I have not seen people beating you couldn't come back to it any other way. Right. That was the space that dude existed in. But then he got caught up with the, you know situation man, you learn quick oh snap people. Like don't really like this, dude. And not even for what I would consider some of the reasons to not really want this, dude. And those reasons there right now, I also admit that I've you Tiger Woods, very everybody. Used idea was through a lens of race. It's kind of impossible not to and if we're going to be honest about it he has sold himself through a lens of race at all times. Right from the very beginning of this the appeal the initial level of novelty of this had everything to do with race. But they were trying to sell Tiger Woods at once as a member of every race, which then meant that. He was a member of no race. Degree. That's gotta have that concept works right at ho-. What was the gay cabinet nation? You remember that? Capital nation. You've never heard him say he was cabinet nation. I don't remember that. All wow. Yeah. No. That was a day when he first came out here. He said he was a cabinet nation because he's like Caucasian and like black and like Indian Asian too. Wow. So I guess he hasn't watch. They've appel yell this proceeded that preceded that don't is very interesting to hear somebody in real time. Here the cabin Asian thing for the first time because I will tell you I hear that in the way that very many other people here that who of some legal nation me is. Perhaps import claiming attachment to all races. But it also appears to be impart. Try not to be called one of those races in particular. And it's hard not to look at Tiger Woods through. That knows that they is about rings of things about him. And I imagine man is up bringing. I couldn't imagine growing up. Like it was did because the salty is people have been about summer. Tiger Woods successes. Can you imagine what it was like when he's out here dominating like the youth ranks? One thing. One thing about life. I think this thing is lost. And forgotten man. One thing that people enjoy watching kind of in a macro sense like dominant high school athlete like there's something to be said about a really really dominant like he'd performing kid levels. But one thing people don't like seeing is like the one super dominant kid if yo- kid participating, but yo kid is not the super dominant person people out here calling for birth certificates and stuff like that. 'cause they wanna see kids win. So you a magic what his life would have people bring kids to golf tournaments. And then all of a sudden is this one kid, and they can't even quite figure out what he is what box he came out of here. Dominating. Y'all you humanity crazy things Tiger Woods is heard in his voyage in his journey through all of this. As out here wax, right? Because if he was twenty one years old, and I'm sure I could look these things up, but why why would I do that? But if you're twenty one years old, and he's winning the masters by twelve strove gave you imagine what he was doing when he was like an eighth grade. Oh, man, child prodigy. Yeah. Right. Like, that's what he was doing a pros. What do you think? He's doing those other. Joe man, you people's salty. Parents wouldn't showing up being like, wow, it's such an honor that TIMMY gets to play with future greatness here. Like, yeah. Oh, man. How can we make soda hito show up? No, more, right? Like, why do we keep inviting hill? We we have more fun. If tiger was in the tournament. That guarantee. That's what the situation that do for his entire time. And I can't imagine like the internalized our processes that. He's had trying to explain why it is that they out here doing him like this and some of the like problematic conclusions that it appears that he's drawn on what the blame where the issues are and everything else. Life of me. I can't imagine being in the situation in life where somebody made joke on television about lynching you right? Right. Right. Lynch, and you and then when they ask you about it. You're like, yeah. No, she's my friend. She not. Which gives me back to what I said befo four range reasons, we don't like really like this, dude. But he's so co he's so cold. And so I will say this, though, about Tiger Woods, we came across something on the internet that I had never seen before and gave out of this. He wasn't a video like thirteen year old. Tiger woods. I believe so early teens early teens Tiger Woods and he's talking about the masters. Listen to this and again one on ones. Supposed to ready captured your imagination the masters was. The way the blacks have been treated there there shouldn't be there. And if I win that tournament we really big for us. Yeah. We got that for a complex sports they treated that out. Quick do read that interview about away game. He's a good look anyway. But. Like, so if that were like this a thirteen year old Tiger Woods thirteen year old Tiger Woods that would be like nineteen eighty nine. Do you think it's possible? That was like listen to public enemy back then. No, you know, he's like it'd be pretty big for us us. The first person, plural. You didn't see coming? I did not see the coming either. And that actually here's whatever as me a little bit of joy. Because I do love the idea Tiger Woods went. And brought that golf course to its knees in ninety seven in falsely. Hey, we gotta do something about this. I have heard the argument made that this was in part that the changes that they made to Augusta National were about living in the course. Because basically the bombers had begun to take over and it was the change in the sport and everything else. Right. I've heard that argument they say that these changes were not specifically made to affect Tiga would. Yeah. I hear you. But I need to go find this. I'm gonna get this. Exactly. Right. Because I sent this out on Twitter the other day because I looked it up. They let them that courts. That course significantly in two thousand three tiger won the masters in nineteen ninety seven. All right. He shot to seventy he wanted an oh one he shot to seventy two. The three champions in between those years. None of them shot better than to seventy eight. Maybe a gust was preparing for the future to figure out like what direction. This thing was going to go in. But no one else had brought the damn thing to its knees. But Tiger Woods in the time. Period that we are described that was it that and then when he got in his trouble, the Huda finger-wagging was strong and coming from every direction when it came to him. Everybody had to make sure that they knew that he they were disappointed him and his behavior would not be rich men talking about how adultery is not going to be tolerated. Are you kidding me? Anyway, they did all of that. But says that happened yet one one can you imagine how good it must feel to do that target tagger knows how many people that are there. Don't want him to win there. Because the one thing I think everybody needs to appreciate understand about golf, just as a notion as sport. People saw this as this wonderful thing when Tiger Woods emerge because it would like at this level. Diversity golf would open the game up to more people within help the game grow. Did anybody as golf is? They want it that because the last time I checked black participation in golf is actually lower than it was in nineteen ninety seven. Like, do you think that the people who will I run in this world? Had never considered that. They were maybe things they could do to make have it. You know, was some broader appeal. No, they're not really worried about that. Like, these big Tiger Woods ratings that they get. Everybody likes it because they get to bread come off having Tiger Woods. But when they go away, they like, okay. We still good though. Like they doing this for nobody else. They try to make nobody's dreams. Come true. Hey worried about that. I would they're like, oh, man. This is so big for everybody. It is really really good for the people who run tournaments and for the people who earn purses. But the idea that all of a sudden now me at all my is about to show up to the golf course, they do not see that as a positive that is not what they are looking for right because then they got a higher bunch of Rangers to just be over your shoulder. All the time. Why you play gave you play. I used to play. But I hurt my shoulder. And I'm able to play since oh man may white like thank you for telling me to rules. Of course, brother. I'm right here. I got this. I'm good. I'm good. You know now man anyone that like, it's. So if he comes so all of this is just interesting Tiger Woods for this reason. Like, he's just that dope. But that's it. Like, that's what we're here for because you are dope. And you know, what I'm kind of an a lot of ways. Okay with that. Just as an idea that this is what the relationship is that we have with this guy. Right. Whatever you think of him as person not at all this. I if you think you bad person, I long ago candidate with good things happen to bad people. Ain't nothing new to that. But hey man, this do wins. It's fun to watch him win. It is so Deavere people talking about man, you know, rooting for tiger is like going back to being young again. And all that stuff. I I don't I don't pine for being twenty one youthful again running need that maybe maybe I'll get to a different point in life where I'll be with that way. I don't think about that. In the context of my relationship with my father. I got no real deeper meaning to what it is like damn can we go back to the nineties, and I do is interesting though to consider I give you this. This thing about Tiger Woods could emerge in nineteen ninety six nineteen ninety seven with the image that they were selling of him at that time because I think there was a much different level of optimism about matters of race. And the likes the idea of this. Like coming together of cultures in the face, the Tiger Woods as would. I think that that was more palatable to the median American. I don't think that you make a big star oughta Tiger Woods emerging twenty nineteen. I think he would have been instantly much more polarized. But he'd been so damn good. Hey, man. He we. And I'll go with that. We'll be back to talk about. Russell Wilson's new contract. But I the average interest rate on credit card debt is over eighteen percent APR. Have you looked at your interest rate lately? Refinance your high interest credit card balances and save with a credit card consolidation loan from livestream. Get a rate is low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay the rate is fixed. It'll never go up. You can get a loan from five thousand one hundred thousand dollars, and there are no fees even get your money as soon as the day you apply when you have good credit. You deserve great service in a low interest fixed rate loan from light street. That's lending uncomplicate. Want to save even more my listeners get an additional interest rate discount. The only way to get this discount is to go to light stream dot com slash Bomani. L I G H T S T R A M dot com slash Bomani, subject to credit approval rating, appoint five zero percent auto pay discount. Terms and conditions apply. Offices subject to change without notice. Visit light stream dot com slash Bomani. For more information. All right. Russell Wilson guy. His paper is yea per six five million dollars, guaranteed EIB. Kandahar ball, woodsy hogs, and he's like, look we're gonna get this deal done today or we're gonna play that franchise tag gang. And there were actually not too many. But like a small number people like Seattle fans that was kind of on the fine don't sign on to a long term deal. Like, are you out of your mind? But you played Kirk cousins game when your quarterback is Kirk cousins. But Joe quarterback is Russell Wilson by teams go horrible as they want with a quarterback on that money. But in the end, you're gonna have to pay a significant amount. And who knows exactly what's going on? Because the way the league game goes and everything else. But it does sound like Russell Wilson's camp was trying to go hard. And I don't even blame when they got all the leverage in the world. What I am the quarterback which are going to go get another one don't forget when they dragged to Russell Wilson. They had the bright idea to pay Matt Flynn to be their starter. Yeah. Off a one game. Why quarterbacks heart? They got. Russell wilson. Rosa guide is money. He'd highest paid quarterback in the NFL. I've seen people make the argument that if they're going to pay him that much money to maybe they shouldn't run the ball so much that doesn't make a great deal of sense. To me you run the offense that works best. The quarterback is worth the money that he the quarterback is worth the big plays that he makes in those moments right to me is not about what percentage of the time. You do or do not throw the ball is the fact that he is a credible threat to all the ball and be plays a role in your running game. No, no, do whatever it is that you gotta do when you have this cat out here. I just want you to hear. And I don't know if you heard this. But Russell put a video out on Twitter. He was laid up in bed with his wife Sierra, and here's what he had to say as he Adam. We gotta deal. I must see on more. Iago to go to sleep. Seon morning. Where the hell did this guy come fro? Like can. We get some press. Can we give press conference us now Schottenheimer he's been a lot of different schemes? And so I think those schemes and having understanding of what we're doing here with the west coast offense, adding some different, you know, play call. Oh. Yeah. Be careful talking about this on Twitter about away. 'cause you noticed Russell Wilson where he's much more famous now by virtue of being marriages year right takes into a whole 'nother place where like the person who knows who Tom Brady is doesn't necessarily know who Russell Wilson is at least like three years ago or somewhere in there. But then you marry Sierra. And now all of a sudden, you're exposed to a world of people who are no who you were otherwise, it's kinda like you. Remember what Tony Parker was? We even longoria. I do right next thing. You know, Tony Parker's on Oprah. Right. They never thought about no damn Tony Parker before not that. Tony Parker in a hall of fame player. Right. That's the kind of space. I think the Russell Wilson was in. So like we remember what Russell Wilson was we've been with Russell Wilson for a long time. You make mentioned it. In fact, the Russell Wilson star hanging out with the air. And then all of a sudden, he sounds so different. Right. People. Be like maybe you've never heard a code switching before. Yeah. Tell tell me. About coats, which please explain the concept to me. I I am wildly unfamiliar right now man, this do didn't even seem to have a cold switch. He just seemed to be like the robot man all the time next thing. You know, you look Russell Wilson at the flag football game. I hear like I. Oh, you say I found like, whoa. Where did this come from? When did this start? How did this happen? I just wanna know. 'cause it's so hilarious. Have you ever talked to Shannon about the interview we did with him? Russell Wilson was on with us and. He's just like decided I'm not going to say anything interesting at all like he was the most robotic ever end. It was actually kinda fun because I was hitting him questions that he couldn't do that with. And when that happened he would just laugh and then hit the robot button. And then give some sort of answer. And he always always always always always always always sounded abundantly clear, very very very clear that like somebody was listening who might give him a job. He always on like he was on a job interview at all times. And he still every now and then Jones back into like job interview Russ, and I bet like all the press conferences, he gotta do at work throughout this year. He don't come back down. And like that he's going like press conference Russ is going to be back. That's what he does. But then every now, and then he turns into Alton seems. Straight cased. Often sims. Yeah. That's exactly it totally straight up against. Reverend skit. It's kinda like the reverse Elizabeth homes. Yes. Yes. Except now. Here's. I don't know which Russ is like the default Russ. Right like, which is the switch or is there? Like a third Russ. That's like the object at rest Russ. We'll sue. He had a fiance before Sierra. Correct wife before wife before Sierra. So I'd be interested. You know, obviously, we're not privy to the those types of conversations, but I'd be interested here. What those sounded like so gave do, you know anything about his first wife? I don't Google picture. We're gonna stick around which while you the picture, and I think you'll understand perhaps why it is that I'm not sure how helpful she would be in this conversation. Yeah. You didn't see that coming? Did you? Well, I knew she looked a certain type yet way. Yes, you're right. Here's a day. If I thought about this. If you only do Russell wills it in the space a Sierra. You don't see the first wife coming. But if you were around the Russell Wilson with the first wife, you really didn't see Sierra. At all. So then which is the real Russ or I think there's rust number three in. Not that. He's fake, right. I want to be clear about that. But like yahu. Yeah. Right. Tell me the rust. That's in the okay to the first question the rust that's in the videos onto it was year. Do you think the first wife ever met him? I don't think so. What does she think she hears that Russ or what's her data think? Yeah. From Richmond Virginia. Do you think he talks like that? When he goes back to Richmond the thing Richmond like wild segregated. So it depends on where he is at private school enrichment. So depends on where he is. I don't know. Now, I'm just totally fascinated by this like all of it all of all. And again, it's not the no one ever coats, which before he's just do goes from robot to soul, Brother, Number One. And so Brother Number One did not exist before. And and and. Does he era now have a code switch? The she didn't have before by virtue of exposure to Russ. Does she now turn into the robot? Sometimes when she's around people. Because she was in there talking about go hawks and stuff like that. You know? I since the need for one of those whiteboards that Pablo had in the play at the high, noon quota open and think you may need one of these for Russ and Sierra so much going on here. It's so much of the only versus either talented or reckless it up to try to get to the bottom of it. 'cause we all they get baby. We all big it at all about them is the way I always feel like they was. Somebody tells the air light to get you a good man and nice, man, man, they go to church manigault, treat you right? You know, and somebody got the bright Russell, Russell Wilson idea. Russ was like, you know, something different okay coup. And then next thing, you know, like perfect like this. This is this is the mutual Cup of all cups. Everybody's winning right now except for one guy, and you know, who that guy is. We'll be back to talk about Nick Balsas tweets in a minute. But I used to be hard multiple job sites. 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They might drive Nick Bosa Nick foles would be out here tween like, but the thought he was gonna scape that didn't he? Well, it's weird. So Kevorkian Berg did a story about Bosa. And it's actually like a pretty interesting story end is one detailed is thrown in there that doesn't really have that much to do with anything else. That's in the story was about the fact that apparently Bose a he tweet lie Russia. And that is not me simply saying that he tweets like conservative stuff, I'm saying somebody who used to get hit by a lot of buts. He tweets like Bod while he sent out the means that the but send and stuff like that. Like, he tweets like, oh bot-. But in the story, they mentioned that he scrubbed his account of the tweets because. He said he might get drafted by San Francisco, and I'm like. Everything about this. Do you beat every single bit number one young, man? Why did you did you? Why did you mention it? Number one. Number two. Do you think the forty Niners ago Niger if you because it like, do you think that you're gonna show up to San Francisco, and all of a sudden they going to be protested before a game total body care if you do that he since of anti-catholic tweets out, and I guess maybe that you know, there's concerns about San Francisco and never guard. Except for the fact that San Francisco got him up off the team. Now, I still plays there. What I what are you doing? This is all the hustling is backward is stuff that I've seen about the and maybe should have considered about San Francisco does Francisco and Oakland on the same. But it's the Golden State Warriors. They're playing Oakland. They're gonna move over there to San Francisco and gave them they decide Andrew Bogan again, they did. And then he tweeted, but. What I'm trying to remember? Oh, yes. You civic ones. Yeah. He tweets like a, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Ed van stralia it. Yeah. Vogue. It is a. There are theories that involve conspiracies that he may appear to subscribe to write antibi- driven. They brought him by whole teams. They bring him back when nobody Buner do bogut coming into a game. Nobody even talks about it. Nobody even brings it up. Like, Nick Boza. I feel understand how it is game works, right? You'll get to basically say whatever you want because that's is now protected under the shroud of politics, at least when you can't like that. Does it like that's what it's going to be? There will be some lines that you can't cross they're going to be some things that you can't say, you might wanna be careful talking about things involving violence and stuff like that. But people gonna let you do that stuff if you want to and by the way, if you'll concern is because it was so ignorant in that I think that in his head. He imagined San Francisco as like literal, socialism or something like that. Right. Like he thinks that he is going to get there and be part of this persecuted minority and show. Outed upon for the stuff that he's sending out. Dan tweets. There's like not really how it's going to work for you dog. You'll be fine. You know, you you probably could have gotten away with this. Or if you're going to do it delete the whole account. I've always said this. If I were of age this time, delete my count at the end of highschool, I deleted my account at the end of college. I would want to have to answer for that kind of stuff either. Right. With thing is is not as though Bose's out here. Like, yeah. Reconsidered some of the things I've said he's just like, yeah. I might get drafted by that team will now. Now, they know like everybody knows your get down. The fact that they can't point to a tweet about it ain't gonna change. The fact the thing that you concerned about because you got draft in San Francisco, you're done in that regard. If you were going to be done, you're not going to be done to be just fine. Our night the things I find interesting about Nick Bosa is brother their grandfather is either with a grandfather. But he was like for real deal. Mafia is pops strip club magnate down there Miami. Like, there's a lot of fun there in the bowls story, man. I want to hear about how bad you wanna play football. And you'll tweet talk to be about the stuff like this is decidedly south water type stuff. Get to the bottom of that. Tell me where you come from in. That regard my worried about his other stuff, you must be crazy. Right. Because in the end, this is this is this is where this Trump stuff gets to be interesting right misses a political observation. This is just the nature of the game. They to the bees how things operate now. We kinda let you slide on stuff if it's politics. We don't really argue with people about politics, but we have generally had some rules in place about things that we deem to be racist things that we deem to be sexist things that we deem to be homophobic, things that we deem to be xenophobic right there rules in place about those sorts of things, but the rules governing politics supersede those rules. So as long as you don't like say, some magic word of break some level of like etiquette decorum. You'll want to be in fine because in this day and age so many of those things are captured under the name of politics, right by that point, eight one thing in particular. But once you call that stuff, politics, you can kind of get away with saying, whatever it is that you want. Because people are like you are entitled to your political beliefs. And so what has happened is really just kind of an encroachment of the notion of politics over ideas that had been previously legislated at least to a greater degree as notions of decency. And so yeah, as long as both didn't have anything that was out there that was like that broke the rules. He was going to be allowed to say whatever it is that he wanted. Is ally. He doesn't want to smoke or actually what it sounds like is his agent was like, hey, man. So we were going through your tweets, and we think you should probably take a different approach. Right. That's probably what happened which is. The thing smart thing that age should say. But the agency then say, and if anybody asks you about it just say you wanted to start fresh, which is why you delete the whole account. Boom. You're good. You go past never comes up again instead nibbles identified himself as that guy. What guy that guy, and we're going to be honest about it that guy goes out there and plays like his brother plays. None of it is going to matter. We'll be back to talk to Michelle Roberts in a minute. But first the average interest rate on credit card debt is over eighteen percent APO. 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We are here for a third of our baseline series with deep dive on the supermax contract in the NBA next week. We've got Bobby marks ESPN NBA front office insider joining us, but this week we've got the head of the National Basketball players association. Her name is Michelle Robertson. Michelle. We've talked a bit about what the supermax contract is now with the last CBA negotiations. How big of a thing was this in those Gauthier ships to make sure to get the supermax contract through for players. I don't like to talk about internal CBS negotiations. But I can I can answer. This question by saying it was not the most significant issue that we we were dressing during negotiations. Frankly, we wanted to do something. And I think ultimately we succeeded for every class a player. So we talked about things we could do in terms of comp for rookies for vets for free agents. For the entire membership was under consideration. And we didn't exclude. I mean, some might say, well, why do you have to worry about the the max guys max eligible guys, you know, the members of my union too. So we went up and down the bench so to speak and wanted to make sure that there was some thing in it for everybody. So was it was it something we would have struck on. I'm not gonna say that. But it was important that we received some some value some confab you some enhanced come value for every category of players, including the is not as the players association's general idea of max contract as a compromise. Well, let's start with the fact that we've got. Got a salary cap at all. Of course, it's a compromise in a completely free enterprise system. There would be no such animal. We don't have that system. I walked into a system pretty much ready made that obviously was not designed for complete unfettered free market. So. Yeah, it's a compromise. Just as I suppose owners would say that the minimum minimum comp contractors is a compromise of. Yeah. Can't can't call it. What it ain't? And that's what it is. Now, how did this grow out of this? You know, the five year contracts to twenty five percent raises. How what was the process growing to this place? I should just point out that I wasn't here when the the twenty five contract was negotiated. So maybe Louis, but skewered my response. I think the Genesis of that, and this this this new deal was to further incentivize players to stay with the team that brought you the the the there is a body of thinking that's just that the game is better served. If players stay with the team for if not most if not all most of his career, I don't necessarily buy into that. But I preach it that there's some people that that feel strongly about that. So the incent that there's much in the in the CBA that's designed to incentivize players to stay with the team. And that's that's one of them. If if your team can make an offer with respect to comp that no other can then obviously. It makes you presumably think twice before you elect to go. Elsewhere. That's principally the the basis for it. Whether or not, it's it's worked, you know, the for others. But that that was why it was at least being considered. Well, what does have now we've gotten farther away from the cat boom of twenty sixteen is now guys are becoming eligible for this larger contract with the salary cap. That isn't quite jumping at the rate that he did earlier has any of this major rethink the players association's position on cap smoothing. When the CBA was I signed up predicted. I mean, we had projections that told us that pretty much what has happened. What happened? We knew that. There would be the spike spikes, I suppose, I should say and pretty much when they would happen. Be players are very smart they together with their financial buzzes agent. Understood who would be inclined to be in a position to to enjoy it who wouldn't. So all of this was again, there were no surprises the league headed they had its projections about about what the capital look like we independently confirmed that they there there are some we're accurate and we walked into this situation is wide open. And I would not I was confident that the decision to reject the smoothing proposal was correct back when it was made. And I can I continue to believe that we made the right decision. Are you surprised by some of the responses that people had to smooth in because it seems to me at least expect the labor organization to just, you know, give money back basically to the owners. I will tell you that. I was surprised because I was I wasn't not not. I mean, I was fairly new to to to this process. It was a no brainer to me. And I was not all surprised by the players reaction to the proposal. You know, we we we. Though, put aside our hearts and decided that we go ahead and have some people much more than us. We pertain the services to independent. Economists to see there was something. We were missing we there was not. And so, yeah, I was I was frankly surprised because I didn't know if people understood that at the money was not going to go into players pockets. It wasn't going to be donated to charity was going to be going into the owner's pockets. And so I was apprised. But I think now in retrospect, I shouldn't have been surprised because frankly, I pre- quickly. By myself wondering what people think is an appropriate division of revenue between players and owners. I'm surprised that that frequently people think that the owners should be the recipients of the greater Lage's. I disagree. But you know, there are those out there who who don't. When you realize that in this world of labor man, people really root for the boss. I didn't know that until I got into got here in my old world, you there was a natural empathy for the underdog now before you all start screaming at me. I don't consider my players underdogs. I know they are well compensated. I know that athletes make a lot of money underscore this. There is a lot of money made into sport. And it has generated by the by the players. I don't pretend that the owners don't have some some value. They do. But when I cannot understand is what sometimes appears to be a natural affinity for the owners and criticism of the players as somehow being greedy. I will say this that that sentiment. I think is on the on the downslope down stroke, but it's still out there. There's still people who think that players overpaid and owners should be the recipients of all the most of the money, but under the theory that they take the risks. They're they're owners perspective owners lining up around the corner that would be happy to take the risk of these owners hands. So while I certainly appreciate the owners and their contribution to the game. That's not to say that we should sort of poop with the players bring to the table. Well, how do you think people would be if they saw some the calculations that your union has on what the value of the average MBA player is to the bottom line? Know, I was just reading I I don't know. I think that I think they would be surprised. So only those who share that who are of the sentiment that players don't make us. It's Daniel contribution to the growth of the game. But I was reading something literally two hours three hours ago about what happened to ratings when LeBron moved from the east coast to the west coast in terms of the bottom line, again, there's not not not to say that that that TV's losing money. These markets losing money going broke because of it. But his impact alone on viewership and viewership, of course, dictates the the amount of money that one can consider it and sponsorships says a lot about the impact of the players had on on on the generating generating income. So, you know, look at look at look at again, I hate to always use LeBron. But most people know who he is. So I will Cleveland I going to Cleveland games for the last. Four years playoff games where you can barely walk down the street klu klu, pretty quiet right now. So our our players do make a huge difference in terms of revenue generation, they can make or break a market by other joining the market or leaving the market and they own as well historical perception about the NBA players association that it is been run by rank and file players CBS's of been good to rank and file players, but the star players had been cut a little bit short on the high end of the money with the supermax deals like that for your union was that something also considered about the contribution of that particular class of players. It would certainly. Yes. At the onset. I don't know. And I don't want to cast aspersions on prior negotiations. But certainly during the the most recent CBS negotiations I was determined. And we were determined to make sure that it was not simply going to be well, let's take care of the middle class. Let's take care of the rooks, or let's take care of the max guys every member of that union is is a contra is contributed the value of this game. And we made it decision that we would make sure that every category of player was going to walk away from these negotiations. Having been having been enhanced in terms of compensation, so whatever the historic perception may have been about the unions allegiance to what one class of players over the other. It is our view today and our commitment today to all players no matter where they say land on that bench. They're all value. They all add value, and they all should contribute to the the any revenue that's generated by this game. Now one thing about supermax. Contract is that eligibility to it is tied to a lot of awards that voted on that voted on by people that work in my industry. How much of a concern was there from players about giving us that much power over there? To be honest with you, no one was happy about that. I mean, that's not to say the players. Don't appreciate that that your colleagues. No, no our game and the game. Well, and certainly our students of the game study the game somebody even say experts, and so not the case players thought, there should be no role that the media sports media had in value valuation process. But there were those thought it was it was over the larger role that that that should have been appropriate. It was the subject of negotiation. Obviously we landed where we did. But you know, this one of these things that ultimately will not have complete unanimity surrounding. But at the end of the day. We thought we got a fair deal about the unions relationship with the NBA's we've seen the relationship have its ups and downs and different points. Be more tagging, it'd be more cooperative. Where do you think stands now? It's fun. I mean, my my own view is we can we should be able to as grown people agree to disagree, but not walk around hostile hostile towards each other. I get along fairly well with with the Commissioner. I think he's an honest broker. He obviously has his constituency I clearly have mine it's in our mutual best interest to keep this game growing and keep it moving and keep keep the ball bouncing. And we try very hard. I try very hard to make sure that happens. Yes. We've had some some big fights. But they've not resulted in either one of us saying, I can't work with you. So you know, we should be enough. And I think most of the time there is enough that we have in common. I e growing this game growing this pie. Make keeping our fans happy keeping the game the game's integrity intact. There's enough that we should be and do agree on that such that we should bind ourselves and separate corners. All. Time. Sometimes we sometimes we do. But we unless we decided we got to get a divorce. My words we're gonna have to figure it out and knock on wood. We do for you've had this job. Now for almost five years. Is there one thing about coming into this strange road sports this still surprises? You about running a union in this sector. I think what what what what what does the prize me on occasion is? And I I need to stop this. Because someone like my grandmother, I when I tell people that these players on my bosses, everyone thinks I'm being tongue in cheek. I'm not they are amazingly astute. They not only know obviously, the game of basketball, if they didn't know that they wouldn't be here. But I keep finding myself surprised at how much they understand the business of basketball. It's I told myself before I got the job that I knew these guys were smart. I mean, you can't sort of get to this level just being able to bounce a ball. So I kinda thought well, they're going to be smart men, and you need to be prepared for that. But I will tell you, and I should stop being surprised by it. I have conversations I have meetings with I have phone calls with text messaging. Back and forth with these guys pretty regularly. And they are as bright a bunch of men as I've ever had occasion to work with. I'm both proud. And please just gotta stop being surprised. I think that would surprise a lot of people as well. They had a chance to spend as much time with these players. I do they really are three hundred sixty degrees of brilliance both on and off the court Michelle robbers, the director of the NBA players associated joining us. I really appreciate it. My pleasure pick here. Ladies and gentlemen. 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"<music> the ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right time. My name is bomani jones. Thanks for listening on the e._s._p._n. Where have you listened you pike as raiders reviewers. Give us five stars. You only give us. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time a week where we do the interview here joining us now from slate used to work here yeah. I can't say that no more joel and isn't as john. Is that sure i'd say the state of it does say cities representing what it is you. You know using guys attribute with me because i like like i'm only kind of from houston. I mean you can't you cannot think so. If you wanna claim houston oh i claim i claim thing about houston to explain this to people houston so damn big. Oh yeah that your houston from over there by ship channel well. That's what my pops from south style city okay. That's still to another world. Oh yeah wouldn't there's no reason to going to north side from latency and there's reasons to go to the south side. South side is believed that the north side is an entirely different municipality. Yeah i mean it's just like y'all version. Houston wasn't really ours are wearing near after world weren't near drumsticks on sticks people from houston we talk yes and also it's is particularly with black people. Oh right rest black houston and south houston yes right. That's what it is. I'll park sunnyside third ward. You know although the black neighborhoods that are on the north side little treacherous then look. I had to learn learn alert. I was like oh. I wonder all good where we can't afford. Doesn't that's no that's not homes yeah. I was like oh okay all the neighborhoods. You heard about that you you know. I didn't realize that was with north. Korea was okay studio. I guess count to order a little bit a little bit but i'm wayne north y'all. That's not. I mean i'm like i'm. I'm at the fringe of what you can call houston. I'm that's what the address is right and then. I didn't go to school in houston using ain't nobody. I'm gonna say like. I don't know how to explain this to you. You don't know i mean you know about those schools because you know about houston schools in houston southeastern wherever because you're from houston yeah like nobody knows about like soccer. Now i mean that's what i was supposed to go right. I got no concept of that. Put the cats in the league at least they used to. I don't know what they were good. Actually i think they want to stay championship a couple of years which is crazy no way i'm sorry saaf air nasty crate after craziest on the world meters oh south wednesday championship because affairs i like it. I mean i mean they didn't even get the brothers and no in that area well it was with there were brothers within that district right but at the time i was there. It seemed like it was like no. That's not what we want. Y'all go. Yes jersey. Jersey village falls came. Yes well. That was the whole flip up it play it right. I was like gave them. A nikki. Okay sees a lot about him. I think that's pronounce mona kate and they would just mispronouncing his name yeah yeah his dad worked at prairie view and they always their monarchy and they get on t._v. and you'll be carrying. What's your name call you. Oh oh yeah wherever majel jobs working on podcast now on the two pac and biggie killings right and so we don't talk a little bit about that. I want to start though with you with what may be your favorite topic in the world. Oh what's if anybody followed jones. You recognize the joel. Anderson's claim claim to fame is that it was his nineteen eighty-eight joel. It was deemed the fastest ten year old in america. I was rolling before. I need to know like did you like did you arrays to be the fastest ten year old in america so what i'll explain what i'll explain is that was i want my region okay which was all a texas basically and so i went to the national's it isn't it isn't a hundred and so then i went to the national's false started started in the prelims in then didn't get to actually win gold but would happen is that i'd run the fastest time in the nation oh <music> so they sent me they actually they literally sent me a certificate. He saying you know you had the fastest one hundred and my co workers at the time it buzzfeed didn't believe me and i had that most hailu mail. I ain't gotta lie. You know let me five used the fog a little bit j._d. Gee win championships. I know i could have beat that. You saw jason johnson for shreveport co back. I could have got <hes> undecided. Tell you now that i do from shreveport. Louisiana had to go through things that you can't relate to eighty two hat once i moved to shreveport. I'll hold that's right you did. She wore a couple of years. Yes okay man where it probably more than four stores one. I'd over the actually i'll tell you gave hey. We're gonna do that thing where we play the music over. Thank you for your patience a representative from the bright time we'll be with you. Shorten your current. Whole time is fifteen seconds. That's not quite like every city enjoyed it as not atlanta. Swears is the second largest city in georgia every single one of savannah augusta columbus making they all the second largest city george. Oh yeah and it's probably only sunlight lawrenceville or something like that. That's that's real talk about california right at the top five cities in california all l. a. san francisco ugly a lie and say something like san. Jose's quietly huge this. I think is one of the creatures population is crazy. Yeah yeah no. It's one of those but he also you play college football. He played at t._c._u. I don't talk about that much because i didn't go as well. That is actually not thought about that talk about you. Actually were a division one athlete and you bring up tallboy budget. I didn't really rack up no stats. There's nothing really to talk about because he's obviously i was there for a couple of years. I don't you know i i'm proud of the fact that i wanna college team that like you know i got to experience <hes> and it did teach me some things namely. I didn't love football that much but <hes> yeah it didn't go quite as well. I remember i did ask you as they did. You was gay passing there. You were there. You're like as the defense coordinator he's. He's the first person to tell v._w. Golf pro southern others. He told me he told me. I'll never forget because <hes> is when the the coaches that have brought me pat sullivan. They got fired so dennis. Francioni was a head coach in bringing in this new offense. Gary patterson was defensive coordinator and he ran the spring drills and so <hes> i'm out there to struggling. <hes> you know just i mean i'd never forget ladainian tomlinson looking at me. At a distance this is because of how bad i was doing and he just looked at me. Dislike just shaking his head and gary. Patterson told me he was like man. You got feet like a like a like offensive linemen and and i was like you're running back running back. I mean you know i wouldn't have a lot of wiggle out run at you. Say i might not be able to get away from me and houses like okay like i'm not you know like. I never thought that i was like i felt like an athlete. They can compete on the division one level but i was like oh. I'm not gonna gopro like and i'm not i don't like this so like why would i keep doing it. Yeah hurts yeah. Oh it's really it's really painful man like i'm. I'm messed up just a little and i didn't even play yeah. I always wanted that. I was like like do you still like how much do you fill it now. Oh man. I have a bad neck and back. I have back problems stuff. My legs sneer thing fine but like neck back problems all covered back from college football. That's that's getting banged up in practice. I mean all the hidden in practice with you. Under scout team like i would uh-huh because you say they needed like that but when you recover into college football for here idea joy vita the rose bowl to be like you know i had to read out his field. Oh man like i mean <hes> do that. It actually every college stadium. I come across. I gotta run across. Just see what it's like and roses some surreal. You look at that on t._v. Like that is the college game growing up like it just seems like it splashed in sunlight and it's beautiful. I like i was there and i got looking to early man. Nobody you know see me die out there thirty yards surprise. You may take no video i should have. 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We've mentioned briefly that you're gonna do pack as late on the two-pack in big killers one of these that a segue into my internet last couple of days oh man i know i know you. You are bad for you know you and i we follow each other for a while now so you've watched the evolution of me on twitter and i'll really get into if people like that no more. I'm kind of out of the business of fighting widow. You don't do you any good no no. I'm not like i'm not who i was in two thousand nine nine at least two other people therefore it's like okay. This isn't worth it. I don't feel like fighting. Everybody you know and sometimes you just wanna say what you think about something without having to get all this input from everybody. Nobody else yeah man out of business but the list came out a couple of days ago and this is hilarious. The ultimate okeydoke right guy just puts up a random list of the top fifty rappers right the hey joe biden number three didn't have scarface didn't have chuck d right didn't have k._r.'s one all right and look. I just think this this is an interesting observation. We have about the same age care as one. We were younger was absolutely on the list of maybe greatest rap of all time i'm he was that when he was in i'm going to get you suck amass sound like he was a legit celebrity. Like you know pioneer the artful you could not do one of those lists with al que are as one in your top. Three forget about utah. Fifty couldn't have been your top three now. He's like completely forgotten and so. I just made the point. I'm just like oh man this. Do will eat your favorite mc alive because any i would argue that there's a better like park. Rapper has one running a battle rapper like whatever what at the most essential form care as one is that dude dude ahead everybody popping up the wadi lose about anneli best is arena somebody that there was like four years old that was going. Apparently this idea has propagated itself out here in the streets and people out here really thinking and nellie was in k._r._a.'s ones facing a port to wrap hands a care as roma's like our dog. You got me right. I mean the thing is is that what they think is what is rarely comment about like a lot of new to the game rap fans that they think the record cells determines who the victor yes right in like so by that standard yeah i mean i guess if you want to argue that nellie so more records fine but like you can't argue that he had more of an impact on the game and you can't argue that he can out rep. He actually tried to come k. R. as one cares wayne came back and crushed him with the problem was it was against nellie right like nobody really cared. I heard right eight. Oh but somehow that nellie one right i mean you know and the thing is is that even monk in that time like people did not take nelly seat like hollywood's a top selling artists but nobody took him seriously as a rapper here. It was the theme throughout his music joe like you. All may not think this is real hip. Hop this type of thing and whatever but this is we'll do and like that's fine people iraq with that but like to take to say that he like out wrapped care one to one like i mean that is asinine but that's i mean. That's has children man. I hope that children like right. Nobody over over thirty five hoax that whole right you know what nearly as though he's the first dude ever limited drive the we was like now we just going to let you know what i mean to be like. Okay see. I'll just let nellie paint m._c. Hammer and went through a bra gets funny. Did you see the chuck. D talked about mc hammer. He loves them. He loves and i'm just like you'll like not only was m._c. Hammer had to go through like some real like. I know you know like i'm an entertainer. You know like this is a different version of hip hop or whatever but like him. It was a gangster man. It was l. I mean the clip of big boy. Thousands run up on jalan brought over here. They have have came back the funky headhunter which none of us trying to hear. I mean little. Did we know that fake hammer was actually the dude in hamilton right right real. Thank you know the a._f._c. starts story right way. So you know there are base. Did the word to your mother. You know all the hammer hammer took that it as an insult to his mother by hammer was like y'all talking about my mama so hammer wanted to kill them and when i say kill i mean kill he had like legit. Oakland sued the bright so at the american music awards the word got out yo. Oh hammas goons coming for you right come with our base and our base cats don't know what to do so what they did to save them. They got them seats but michael jackson thousand russell did russell sims they do they look the way too. We can keep you safe is keep you by michael. Jackson passed canine. Ain't nothing happened to you hammer me. The halo road would death-row and it was like not out of the realm of his worldview. You know what i mean. He was was like you know. Shook respected that do for sugar respect you said something about hannah's gangsta chucks point about hammer always easy just like i don't know how we deem <unk> hamid sell out with hammers. Doing all these black people do right. That was his that was his argument was in his book. We're talking about twitter but he was always all the hammer program. Look i wouldn't want to have a program. Oh ground just to be clear. I you know what i loved him. Really as a kid i went and saw hammer performance to summit in one thousand nine hundred ninety one and i think vanilla i was on was on it too and i mean those dues perform like you might not argue that they were rappers but they were performers right and like i mean. I think that there's a role for them hip. I mean hip hop you so is dancing as a part of the you know i mean it was at that time there was kind of i think hammered doing hammer once he got into high steady. That's been cats all right. No komo dancing rapper for real y'all here dancing no more dancing in the dance stopped and they're big daddy kane dauler in your force meaning to all of this l. dancing you know the wildest thing is jay z and big daddy kane the same age. Oh my god that was crazy right because he ought to know where big daddy kane was gone man. I mean he like after the really like ninety five ninety six. We does not before even that. I would argue man. Yeah i mean i was bumping big aka in middle school in a row he was doing like the hot button highschool came along and all the chronic and everything came out he was done. We had we you try to flush him out big daddy kane of site and gets thrown out the game. Also big mccain was old school rapper by the time big out. Yes you know what i mean like. It was like okay like like they've passed a b. K. crowned at this new dude like those two years ago. Would you know i think i i. I think that is in part. What happened though to k._r.'s was biggie right. Take care as one was care as one was a gangster but then he was the conscious dunes who is like the conscious gangsta wrote these like y'all just because they don't mean that you know. I don't know what's going on in the world. Outright biggie was like just gangsta. Don't mean i'll be at the clue. Don't mean i can't be fly ladies to in the gangster wit completely in that direction right like the conscious gangsta you have guys like kendrick lamar who talk about gangsters and also be like on a conscious kicking nozzles connect- you know in that same type real but the conscious gangsta like killer. Mike is kind of like the last of the gangs yeah absolutely as i guess 'cause like there's no money in it right and that's what so much like. It's hard to sustain a career. If you don't like make party hits bank like other people other people besides backpack heads had like music for you have a career now rab we the gangsta is not nearly as interesting as the gangster used to be back today all right. I mean x clan you. Don't just roll up on you. More of we need more crackpot religion ravil so much better when we had cried poverty. I don't you think oh man. I mean all that five percents for like every saying i mean i whatever happened to the five percents. Is it okay. The only rapper you ever hear talk about. Louis farrakhan is j. j. latronic now. Yes that's right. I mean i think maybe people were kinda. Got onto like okay. Maybe we shouldn't overall. It's a it's a wrap on that like it was funny because you know we begin to think that the views responsible seventy percent of wickedness in the world is how did you calculate that. It had to get out of there and everything and i'm like yo. Y'all shout now farrakhan two years ago this so maybe you don't you from texas. Yes i'm not i didn't understand the jewish thing in that way because there's not a lot of their would not try and skopje chinese playing house house like i didn't understand like the fair guys. I don't know what you're talking about. Real you live in the same unclear right. I knew one literally early one or two people growing up like i'd had no idea like i came to find out later that there's a kind of jewish par town and he was into the exorbitant belair your mylan yeah okay yeah okay. We didn't think that would have moved there. There would catch like with the fair kind of stuff like yeah yeah. What's going on here in church so i don't have any of this. You know like i got no beef over what happened. You know what that is right but i had no idea oh. It was just totally foreign to me. You know what i'm saying is like oh y'all what is the beef about. I don't understand like at that time. Tehran had his little renaissance and early to mid nineties and it was like okay and he's talking about black empowerment. Okay you know this juice. That's that's crazy. I don't know what he's talking. What about right now as you get older. You say oh. That's a little bit more cities. That's wrong. This series just really bad yeah. It's like okay so now so maybe people got onto that like rappers select me. We should start talking about islamic public but it's interesting because like in real life like i am aware that anti-semites exist yes but i don't think i've ever met one one right. When i got bit into conversation and been like oh my god you have to stop never met that person but apparently he's everywhere. Oh yeah absolutely. I feel like that's definitely like a new york d._c. Thing when you're saying like remember when those cats win would covington catholic high start and i was like oh the lights at the yellow house okay. I guess that's like that's where it comes from. You know these as interested about new york of the blog israelites at bates jokela twitter was about blake israelites out. No if you know what i'm talking about no why folks in new york absolutely nobody they camp out over nearby town square so mike they've all come across them and i'm like oh wow that's uh-huh sherry talking about israelites at one twenty fifth and lenox down there white foals were oh you gotta go to believe. I believe the problem to be able to keep coming. I know i guess like they never go really run up on you. They just don't insult. You know what i mean. Yes so the amendment rights black purple leather with the you know man. I mean and they look like a vendetta like black of assam like you know what i'm saying. It's just like okay which woody allen to for real what is it. What is this would is the relationship to god he explain to you but i also wonder like what exactly the chain of events is in your own life and to make you be like off which all right and how much does it cost by augier begin to just be hot outside of climate change. Where do you by saying. I mean not on time fast. Oh you know i guess maybe you see somebody else. Where did they like nine. Gives your life like they don't seem to be wearing this stuff. So is there like a black israelite outlet. Oh you gotta you gotta storefront somewhere over man. Do i was at my bar the other day and like all of a sudden. It's like you just see how it happens. Bob going to prison it had he was just like yeah man. You know you know how they say that. There's <hes> one gate heaven. I was like <hes> yeah auden go to turkey the other than i went to catholic and he's like yeah so actually that's twelve. He shows me on his phone. He's like the twelve different tribes on. I was like oh. They got got you to now to talk a whole lot of those gets. They needed something than they did make their lives better but they are not being our line. Oh they just i mean they've got structure now. They've got purpose. Yes which is absolutely value yes but yes. I don't know if i'm really going to be into that and we can't be half was the hang out. If you keep talking about islam we can all point to all these people whose lives had been greatly impassively impacted by the nation of islam yes but man just don't tell me about right. I'm not your audience. We agree on a lot of things in terms of like you know structures america whatever but like anything outside of that you know he's going to go to the mosque about that. Yes i've read <hes>. Have you read david remedies book world about ali. Oh no i have not it's worth checking second. That's interesting hearing a li like talk about the things that he had learned. Many sounds like every other college student who was picked up some new new religion gone away. Did they come back and he'd be like don't what right right. I got understand. I mean it's it's totally it. It takes you a while because actually i thought about. I say this in public housing high school out of school okay. I was like i don't know man. I i want to go do the things i was off air con- speaker t. s. nineteen ninety-three child keep in mind but i was like you know and then it's just like ooh has absolutely nothing to do with like actual is like well. They are the black scientologists. Oh beg if you think about. It's a very similar setup. Scientology's got levels has got like all this stuff. It is very similar to scientology. They just don't have nearly the real estate footprint around right right you know oh. The scientologists got to set up on one twenty fifth in third. Do they really ask like if you go in one thousand nine hundred and go towards f._d._r. And look on the right you will. We'll stumble upon the scientology. That's how we should've known. They was coming. He's got an early early getting bigger. Who is there for them clinton clinton because that's that's to say i need to look at here but at least clinton got deer. That building was already there scientology and i don't know who's going in there. I don't no no if if they have been able to sprint to the locals because it's not like the scientology is on the street right. One hundred twenty fifth street has anything it is people trying to pitch you on religion. Ooh an on the street right right right yeah. I didn't even know they had a presence so you know i used to live i didn't i didn't know that they presence over this scientology man then over here. Everybody was coming to harlem now man. I guess we all welcome but <hes> we started talking about draft list. You and i both written will you. You still do more to not do but we both been writer. Guys people don't understand man. The list is cash money in this business and people fall for the list every single time. It's just like i mean that list in particular such particular troll because of the the button thing yet. I was like they were trying to get people say negative things about joe biden to make that list and then make joe biden right getting started but yeah i mean like i mean i worked at buzzfeed like that is the place there was no realistically you know <hes> bleacher report that that was how they got its foundation doing list. I mean it's really it is irresistible like people it's one way that you know that you can get attention and penetration ration- with a particular audience. I resisted this last list right our existing because i was just so obvious to me what was going on and i had never heard of the person who put it out it right right and that's what my new things now. Is that like if i don't know who you are right then i just can't invest but so much rain what is the ebro put out his list any yeah j. cole over rock. You and i could not resist at that point lead tummy scarface on it just like no no who you are mayfield disease. No female abc's just like it was off but i mean the only reason i tweeted it out because i wanted to laugh at it. I was just like come on man i i was. I did the spice adams in the car laugh. We follow him out early because i was just like come on man. This is such a evident troll. I mean i mean i guess like plausibly like the first two like they were like. Okay you kinda like okay jay. Z nas like i may not agree with that. I can make that argument then goes off the rail he which joy to joe i heard you. It was like joe camera. Yes joking represents off but come on man right n._c. Joe so polarized because people don't like joe joe dozen things that make it understandable why people don't like and then there's just people that just don't like joe for the sake of but joke rap and that's where the because the worst about something like this is it turns into joking. Ram iago made me defend joe. It's like stop you gotta you gotta disciplined by bringing up pump it up man you know what he did water that feels so now for pump it up blessing and curse song right right but but if it's also not bad it's not a terrible so he's never had another hit single right right right but he has a whole bunch of the joint on that that his solo album like the last one. I think it was like seven minutes or something like joe's like introspective and like a really good rapper. He could do it all but yeah. I mean it's like he's gerald us. They told us in all these lists always and i was like man. I'm not i'm not gonna that what this is what they pops <music> out. You know it's like it's like it's like you could do with any lists like you could do n._f._o. Quarterbacks you could be right. Tom brady all right then <hes> you know joe montana number trying terry bradshaw fred shaw number three and it's like it does it is is just enough of a troll to make people argue and that's the that's the trick you know the hypothetical list and you're the one who made it up and even your cell say terry bradshaw third you about to lose your bod writer. That's crazy uh-huh. He didn't win for super bowl for its own omit woodland high school which if you've been shreveport la it's changed. I i also think robert parish went to would lie. I think so yes also st kitts. Y'all wonder why he always look like that. Hey look man. He had he had to go through a brush. You know the story about robert parish sitting there. Oh man right yeah the basically something to come up and if i'm not mistaken in particular is wrong with this close enough the s he w made it clear that if you took robert perish everybody's taking the reason was that you will on probation right. There was something surrounding scenario's like we'll take him and his friends. Whatever sitting there you know what i mean man i mean he he his his friend is probably the second best player squad of robert. Whatever but again right they weren't and they were right. They never were one hundred percent correct correct that it was never going to be like that. Chain gives a little bit here. I wanna ask you about this. Have you seen n._c._w._a. Aa thing we're rich paul. I'm curious. What i'm going to give you my thought and i wanna see what you think so the people who haven't seen this the n._c._w._a. And i don't think this matters as much as people are making it out to but basically guys if they declare for the draft and they they tow in there now going to allow them to have agents while they do that. As part of the problem was cats were doing this. I'm testing the waters thing but in order to properly test the waters you kind of need an agent like you need to fly places. You know you need you need all those things and so now they wanted. They let them get agents. Okay coup but then they put a set of restrictions on the agent and the first one was age. You must have a college degree right at which point people are like oh. Y'all really just trying to keep rich paul at game bras early. Think here's where i disagree with a one visiting. Keep the cast. The rich paul wants not dipping toey all right yeah. I got to see what my stock you know. They're coming out right. The other part is i don't know enough about aging game to know. Rich ain't the only one out here who doesn't have a college college degree right. I'm sure there are others that are in the same position is rich where i feel like they not so much trying to stop rich as much as they tried to stop the next rich right right right that makes sense i mean i guess i would need to know like what does having a college degree actually have to do with being agent. You know what i mean like. 'cause i mean clearly they are trying to like. They are trying to keep somebody out there trying like when you whenever you do something like that. It's like standardized testing like obviously they're. They're trying to keep somebody out right and i would like to know like would net when they when they were coming up with like who who was in mind. Maybe rich paul was in my but yeah like you say. It's clearly really was somebody else that whoever comes up next and i don't know man i just the thing is is that you'd never think that the n._c._a._a. Doesn't have some sort alterior motive when they do something right is like an first of all like wheat necessitated this change like what made it 'cause. I know he said the players need rondo whatever but it was some sort of a problem before that we unaware what what they were trying to do something that makes it better for the players right because they like to do these little little anything. They look like they care but i don't understand it from the n._c._w. Problem as the point that he thinks that they're just inflating the value of a college degree right like that's that's kind of the point of i'm doing it is that you know it was like you know their their businesses. The college degrees currency and so therefore they need to say that you guys. You've got to have a college degree. You can be a coach and not have a college degree or you got well. You got to get it yeah right here. People don't know that these cats like i used to play in the league table correspondent her all of a sudden yeah right. Where did you graduate. I think it was sitting low n._c. State zone sidney lowe graduate of saint paul's college. I was gonna say with southern new hampshire figuring out quick like man that gets you in some school and you go ahead and knock out that degree that's but that's but i think that this is much more just say dishes 'gate-keeping. It's not even about one person. Pardon is not even really gonna affect anything right. That's just 'gate-keeping right. That's what i'm saying like. I don't like the pool of players for whom this is. Gonna apply like it doesn't even it doesn't even make a lot the sense that you just kinda feel like the kids that are going to do that. They don't need an agent <hes> to be honest like i i haven't seen and like generally teams will make allowances for you so if if you're really somebody that they're gonna wind up. They'll work around you. Make the work out for you. You can have somebody in your family to represent you or whatever i'm just not. I'm not sold on the idea that you even really hire an agent. If that step in the game i mean i see where can make it better but also can see where it's just sort of like a superfluous person added to the system yeah like it's it's also convoluted. I think it's just the ultimate moral of the story but i just love the idea that they just kind of like because the thing with agents that said this on here before not everybody can be an agent right but anybody can be an age. Oh yeah oh yeah absolutely absolutely what would you no actually not that. We're talking about it. You know what else i noticed in that. Is that any of the agents that are certified by the n._c._w. They have to help them with investigation says and i think that's probably is as important as anything else with it because often those agents do what you meant and you know how you get in the game so like back i just kind of feel like for the people whom this applies like it's just not even going to be a thing because the thing is they can't get players. The two players leave right and it's like whatever but they can the i'd have interrupted interactions with the agents rare four. Maybe you can get agent to start. Snitch it right now. I just kind of like. I don't think y'all understand how this is actually gonna go. Oh yeah absolutely agents are not yeah. I mean they can't afford to cooperate. I mean come on. Are you gay too gay. It'd be like when they were talking about all that tampering in the n._b._a. In the n._b._a. was like who would be checking servers thing. Everybody was like you know this tampering thing not as bad as i thought he was fifteen minutes ago right. It's like look mcmahon like nobody wants to. The only way we know that people are tampered isn't when somebody wins. Yes like no other people in the running to what i was like. That's a great point. We only know about every from the people that you're right as they were tampering but you tried to get into. You know what i'm saying. Exaggerate exaggerate right now the all n._c._w._a. Stuff at this point like i'm curious like when you were in school. Did you realize this was this was a scam. <hes> yeah yeah absolutely <hes> will for me like i thought it was great because i got opportunity to get an education right but i'm not ladainian tomlinson. I'm not a cat like lebron for whom you know. My parents probably could not have afforded for me to gonna college like that or it would have been nice. I would right yeah it would have been a a little bit more or something like that right <hes> but so but for the kids that actually have real value. You know what i mean like four or five star <hes> would ever come really. It's just like a few kids at a floating system alone sanford with only a few kids really we're talking about bringing in like this tremendous value value. <hes> demand sells the vince writings all those kind of guys and so i was like oh for those dudes. They definitely should be getting paid. You know what i'm saying. I mean how would hey if you you want to pay me. That's great but like those dudes are the ones that are driving a lot of the value and a lot of the fandom and all that sort of stuff and i was like like they don't have any. It's not even just that like they're not getting paid but they're not even getting a college experience right and you see that with the l._s._u. Locker room thing. It's just like they don't even want them boys on the other side of campus. They just want they want. I want them to do just enough to go to school and debbie over here about the football and like you can just you know once you get into system you already know i know what it is. They want me over football. They got my coast got mad at me for having a science lab one time that started at like six o'clock which meant i had to leave practice a little early. <hes> you know what i'm saying. He's like would he. Do you know i mean i'm this is like okay. I guess it was really nice school. I need these credits to graduate. You know what i'm saying but you know it was like the practice. I mean it's a very in. I would have just had to leave a few minutes early. It was like what are you doing so yeah man. I wonder what it's like. What can you let you come in there with your fancy private school education and that you try to read these books on us mcmahon dude i mean i'll never forget bug casey book as we might run best coach. It's easy you. He goes bo jackson at auburn and advertise. Did you hear about that. Oh man a lot but you know what bo jackson hated him and wrote about it in his autobiography. You bookcases food dothan alabama man he's willing to you know there's the old oh southern cat when he was in college like he's a legend and <hes> anyway. I'll never forget. I just i had difficulty. I just didn't wanna study. The playbook like football was born and by. I told him i got to college. I was like this is terrible anyway. I was having difficulty picking up a play head. <hes> coach coach coach knew my s._a._t. Score and he was like man. You could be governor. What do you know why are you so you know just like it was it was meant as like dog like book learning they helping you here. Saying senate makes a fair point but like they don't respect the n._s. Stuff it doesn't it doesn't matter to to those guys they want you to be smart football and you do have to be smart to play into excel sell a football but like they don't care about what you do in class or anything like that not knew that really really early because i mean the the major ahead like nobody else on the team major in journalism you you know what i mean. I don't go into town by you wanna majors engineer economics. Oh yeah man. I mean kinesiology that comes up so that's the one you wanted to <hes> do can you know carolina and we started like we as graduate students we were. T._a.'s and somebody raised the question like so. What do we do if we get an athlete right like immediately hip game on what could happen and all that and it was explained. You ain't getting no athletes. Don't the day you die. Get no adly. Oh yeah coach coach sees you would on your academic plan engineer and it's only like now we have. We got something else for history. You know what i'm saying. There's some history product too much for that. I thought it another school that they were like yeah. You might get a football player. Are there students getting these other boy. Oh yeah they got more days basketball man. I mean how how they go to class. I mean in the spring corrupts over two semesters yeah man. I mean like they don't have any time like if you if you want a good team i mean you make it a tournament. I don't i don't know how they how they ever managed so <hes>. It's always been. I've always known that it was a scam but you know i mean. I think you feel like you. You know a kid from a good. You know you know wealthy background and you do you. You know play polo or something like that. That's not what you know. What i mean golf then yeah probably a good deal for you but like the cats did play football and they don't really allow you to <hes> you know access everything that's on the college campus which is joining a fraternity. You're <hes> you know. Joining you know the black student union whatever like you'll get to have that experience. We'll just sitting around doing nothing. Oh man i do. I remember i'll never forget i remember house walking across campus one day back to my dorm and i saw these kids kids throwing the frisbee around on yard and i was like look at that list like do that so i never did but it looks like a lot of fun to look like we're just posting up. A significant part of college is just posting up yeah. I mean no now. Don't i mean dude got into video games but y'all we'll. We'll see each other. Oh yeah it was us. You're saying that i was like oh. I thought i knew i thought i'd play video games dues. You guys are professional also a badge in to for you. You would stray jesuit t._c._u. integrated. You know you met some people. You've been around town and stuff like that but i still imagined that you got to this guy like oh. These cats are from different. Oh oh my god man. I mean you know it was a coach shock. It definitely was like i mean how i say. This show talk boy his name on it. I'm gonna put his name is dude on our team are no forget. We went one night to best buy to bed. Then you had to go back cassette single mkx set single. He came with me forever and his role with me. I was one of few people in my car with me and <hes> he can he come back part and <hes>. I just left my car around like this is on and he was just like don't do that don't do that. I was like what was going on. He's like don't do it so i just went back. Lucky that semester. He got kicked off off the team for stealing out of people's cars you yeah okay. He was really trying to help me. Free free state's doc best buy boosted. No no no no. I've been with cast like that before. I mean man those dudes. I mean this dude up. There was on the team to still imprison imprison. Now <hes> it's yeah it was kind of a little bit of a cold seven. I mean i grew up in most yes. Some dudes are really like well why essay though you grew up with most city but i imagine somewhat in a life where a lot of people were keeping you away. This certain things people yes. Did you get to play college football and those guys people are glad they're there to keep them away from certain people wherever they are also is way the certain people that somebody was trying to keep you not all interesting to be clear but it's always a couple oh yeah because because football could definitely be the thing that like a sports could be the thing to keep you away from like you know the folks trying to keep you away for then those dudes. Some of them do the athletes and and i play with a few of them and he's like oh. This has a real gangster santa like just don't don't mess with that do because you know what i'm saying like he could be selling whatever you know what i mean and like you know that was different football team. Eighty-five people is always going to be like like just a couple and i think t._c._u. Got to that point like baylor people about baylor is if you're that dedicated to baylor be good at football. You can't turn dudes down own right there only so many people good football that won't come to bail. You can't be turned into madonna. You don't have to do with football. That's how you wind up. You look around here like dog. What is going on as i just do kinda rough man how you get here but you know what's funny is that when i was at t._c._u. We had a run of due to get arrested so much that we would known as texas criminal universe. We played s._m._u. In ninety seven at cotton bowl in like s._m._u. Had like all these signs about texas criminal university and in fact. I'll never forget we. We want a game that year. Coach was like man. Don't mess up. Don't mess up tonight just enjoyed win. Don't mess up and somebody went and got arrested for d._u._i. At night and it was in a paper the next morning and i was just like you know man. You know it's it's i mean the thing is is that criminals eight boy eighteen to twenty four years old man. I you mean the line between your criminality and just being dumb. Kid is really thin anyway. You don't i mean so you might just end up doing something illegal you know but that's also so just be boys boys but they're just like nebraska back. When nebraska lo de they were getting their collins is who's who's a catholic laws villa. They're not just not as long as i but there's a cat that killed somebody that there was a running back not brass under the car. I think it is thunder garland. Dude johnny rodgers when the husband in nineteen seventy-one johnny rodgers caught a felony charge for like sticking up a gas station at different times absolutely nowhere named joe. How who else wants to go to nebraska. Nebraska figured out who were really attractive to kids. You need to get out to go way far away from wherever there for that's an oregon guy good to get in keeping with the anthony thomas went there and he's i had to get out of l._a. Monosso go. I feel like i got a whole border langston and oklahoma right black house oklahoma at home but it went there eddie toby they'd how y- ultimately wound up there. It's something happened to l._a. And he said he got his home. It was like look. I know me and you got our problems. Would if you really love me then. I'm beat in a couple of days. You go live right yeah. That's how he wound up going. That is like. I have a wave where i am as possible. You can't go back away. Eh what we got. A couple of minutes left before we go. I want you to the feels. A little bit about podcast is coming up and stay slow. Burn yeah man yeah <hes>. We're really early the process we had our first in studio interview yesterday with member junior mafia okay winning six. You'll i think everybody is interview. Sees a has tried to get stories of people heard before and <hes> like it's going to be really unique. I mean think about is like a lot. Lot of people say oh you know this is about the deaths of big a two pack but we're trying to emphasize the people as if this is actually actually going to talk about their lives and how they intersect with each other and how they were friends and like not a lot of people have talked about like that time in their lives when they were friends and like you know <hes> you know they would just seem to be heading heading in different paths and like why the the beef between them was so personal and why got heated so quickly because <hes> you know they're just <hes> you know i. I just want people to know that there's more to them how they died and so that's what we're spending a lotta time on the season on so you know we we people in studio. We got a cub a couple of interviews. That's why i'm in town today. You know what i'm saying. I didn't expect you to be here. You know that'd be a miami man. Do this sounds like a dope like opportunity to because we're at a point now where i i think it's easy to forget that not everybody grew up with this. This is a legendary story now that people know and were far enough removed from it that we you can view it would have different contexts because we're all different points in our lives right. Well you know there were a lot assumptions. There are a lot of substance that were made about two pac and biggie at about what we knew about op them right and and their lives and music that they made and <hes> you know. I thought i was like oh. I thought i knew everything there was no about it. When you read about them <hes> and just like you know the idea that you think that it was like both these camps are going each other east versus west and it was like really nothing. There was a lot more to like. You know a big win and they were never really liked trying to fight these dues. You know what i mean like. They did a lot to you know that some people may disagree with that but <hes> from what we can tell the you know they did a lot to try. Turn down the heat on that. They didn't want anything like that and you know to pacman. You know for everything that people say about him. I mean he was a really sensitive. Do you know what i mean. <hes> a really sensitive he's he's very loyal to the people that are around him and like you could see how things can escalate <hes> you know when whenever we got shot that time here in new york the first time and so yeah <hes> it's just a it was a very personal relationship and that's why the beef got the way that it did because i mean these guys were friends and like you don't win. Some people get you know that are close close and they have a fight or something like that. It can be really ugly. Hey man. I'm looking forward to this man joel anderson checkout slow-burn podcasts at slate. Now's october thirtieth draftees drop yep so we got a little bit of time. They're the fastest ten year old in the united states jeff johnson say man. I wouldn't but eh ladies and gentlemen. Thanks supposed to joining us here on the right time thing a couple of times a week. Mamane gave bassein handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you sir. 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Time To Say Goodbye

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Time To Say Goodbye

"That indeed we understand when it comes to hiring. It's important to have a large talent pool the choose from but sometimes too many good options can be overwhelming. That's why he he doesn't just give you access to a large pool of job seekers. We also offer screener tools that let you instantly narrow down your search hone in on hiring with indeed experience indeed for yourself today and get a free sponsor job of great on your first posting and indeed dot com slash promo terms and conditions apply. I blades in gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is bomani jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast rato's us reviewers gives five stars the only sports stars. I'm inclined to think you are hater coming up in this episode of the right time you man baker mayfield. It's going to be an interesting season season watching him in the browns. We'll talk about that the n._b._a. All decade teams and by the way some of you guys telling us why you quit football but i all right i gotta start this year black of the podcast with all the prefacing and stuff like that right and i gotta start this prefacing 'cause y'all kinda messy all right. I am going in the course of this podcast to make some broad statements about the state of the sports media industry it just so oh happens that i work for the incumbent entity in the sports media industry and one by the way a child look defied a lot of drama surrounding right. I'm gonna go ahead and nip that in the buff for you right now what i'm going to talk about in this segment is about these sports media industry. Some of it may apply to my employers lawyers but this is not at all any sort of direct attack or anything as such to a people for whom i work right no matter what differences of agreement no matter what our differences of opinion might be on some of these matters. I is getting on a microphone laying waste to but there's large points to be made at the intersection a section of sports in real life in here. I am to talk about them and i have to say i did not expect that the intersection of sport and real life would so readily <hes> <hes> at the hall of fame ceremony now. What a run this one by right fascist. Tell you like give it to you. How took all of his in so thursday came and it was was the hall of fame game. I really much out here for the fake football games. I mean i i. I'm not really forward. I admit i did wind up watching a couple of minutes. It's a fateful ball and i looked up and it was matt shop on one side and i've already forgotten who's playing quarterback for the broncos at that point. I guess it was drew lock because wasn't joe flacco go ahead. I was just come on man. What are we doing here. You know don't nobody feel like engaging in this but the only reason that i turn to it was somebody hit me and was like yo ed reed aide just showed up on the field before the game with a t shirt with the faces of black victims of police brutality and i was like oh tell me more see that aruna search on twitter and fairly consistently ran a surge on twitter that night for ed reed shirt because i wanted to see what the discussion was that surrounded the shirt that he wore now of course the search ed reed shirt is not going to capture everything that anybody at everybody has to say about about the matter but it was kind of tumbleweeds on a search there was not very much attention pay to it which i find to be extra odd considering everybody that came out there was wearing marin fancy polo shirt that the hall of fame had issued them except for ed reed who showed up in a t shirt air read even when did his interview with michelle to foyer in the t shirt and let me tell you what was funny about their for me as it came to n._b._c. If you look at the way that they did that camera shot when he was walking on the field they like that thing in tight they were trying at all costs not to put his tee shirt on the camera but when he did interview with michelle to foyer you can't really do that because you're trying to give both of them in the shot and while ed reed into big dude into world michelle to foia isn't the tallest so in order to get them both in the shot you kind of had to have ed shirt there now. Of course they wouldn't asking him. No oh questions about this shirt or anything like that but it seemed very clear to me that that broadcast was trying to do what it could to not talk about what was on that shirt now. I want to be fair also though to the people at n._b._c. On this level garlan cavern iq a uh did his thing where he did not staff at a national anthem it took two weeks before anybody notice and by the way the post game on both those nobody asked him any questions about it and as i recall on the faithful one where everything jumped off he came there to press conference with a t shirt with castro and malcolm the mexican it ain't nobody asked him about that. Neither i bring that up simply to say i'm not convinced that everybody who would be involved in the decisions about what to you do if you recognize what every shirt was signifying necessarily knew what ed reed shirt was signified right. I i am not discount the possibility that the people were totally oblivious except for the fact that thing in tight on his face not to put that out there i'm car it struck me when i saw that in that moment woman because it seemed that the approach that is now being taken if people try to use the platform they had via sports. Do bring attention to something else. Basically they treat them like trolls. They treat them like streakers right. I can just put it on camera. I don't give him attention attention all day one right don't give that any arts arts and then it's gonna turn into a fire that seems to be the approach that they have decided to take on these matters and i mean i think we all have to acknowledge that. It'd be problematic. Attic like ed reed is not troll is men who are trying to bring these points before you are not trolls but that is the way they are being treated because their message assiduous being treated as one that is troll ish rather than truly being treated as one that comes from a place of sincerity a comfortable place humanity or comes from a place that is acknowledging in the different things that we need to work all collectively and that bothers me and the more i think about the way that this industry in general is handling these matters we only review them through the lens a what maze white people mad like that's it by whatever the import of the messages that goes completely out the window because white people get mad and not even all the white people it is the presumption that some white people again mad and what a- as an industry we have decided that we offer enough these sports don't worry why foes we ain't gonna try to make y'all matt and you. That's wack man wait. I feel way to hits given like how important somebody's mad as aw that's so insulting it is so patronizing and it's not just patronizing to who like ed reed whoever wants to do something like patronizing to you the viewers patronizing to you the consumer they are hitting you with this idea that basically you are unable able to handle this that you cannot take this as so many y'all like yeah you're right. We can't like i myself personally. I'd be a little bit insulted if somebody was telling me that i could not handle messages of black humanity a lot of y'all out here cool with that okay man. I guess this is how you do but i wanted to start with that. Idea now. Point that ed reed on thursday was being treated like a troll and then fast forward to champ bailey now in between read on thursday champ bailey on saturday. There was an ed reed speech on thursday that i've found to be meandering. I thought it had parts that i've vehemently disagreed with <hes> most notably his thing don't do nothing to make the police do something that they don't want to do is if people who shot by the cops are making somebody do to them like l. Ed pick up a newspaper. Read them stories. I imagine there are certainly some that fit the description of what you provide it but that ain't the ones that people are really that worried about you know what i mean. That's not. That's not the one that really gets people up. In arms is the idea that you start a fight with the cop and guy smoked <hes> uh as arguments to be made that that either but those are really the ones they give people out here in these streets but anyway champ bailey gave his speech and i found it to be interesting testing because i don't recall every hearing chant bailey taught before by the way gave you a mere twenty eight years old. Do you understand what a mazda champ bailey daley was. Yes i do boy jam balian college the automobile what he said in his speech where he was like oh i would georgia they told me i could do a rate is on the wiki. I can't remember remember wish but they told them i could do whatever i want. When i went to georgia and what i did was i did whatever i want. He played quarterback wide receiver. He played running back. He paid corner. He was a monster at all of these these things like he was an incredible player but i don't ever recall really hearing him talk about anything and i imagine part of their probably has to do with playing so much of that time at denver and i wasn't really keeping up with the media reports outside of denver but he was probably the quiet is great corner that we could think of of that era and a great corner he absolutely was there's an argument that champ bailey was better than the outsiders others. You can make that argument. I'm not sure i'm doing it which you can but so i never really heard his voice and i heard a speech and i thought his speech was pretty good and went through a a lot of interesting places in the twists and turns in his career and any clothes that thing with a hammer right here. I'm a firm believer that if you wanna create change you better start with your friends and your family so i'm starting here today. The first thing people see when they look at me is it's not a pro football hall of fame or husband or father they view me i as a black man so on behalf of all all the black man that i mentioned tonight and many more out there who had the most of the same experiences as if i've i've had in my lifetime we say this to all about white friends. We tell you about our fears. Please listen when we tell you afraid for our kids. Please listen it when we tell you. There are many challenges we face ace because of the color of our skin. Please listen and please do not get caught up in how the message is delivered. They you know what it probably takes for do like champ bailey to stand in front of a room full of people and talk about what he's afraid eight of like to talk about fear invulnerability in such a way that was as profoundly human a moment as i can recall the hall of fame that didn't get awkward gas tennessee you get up and start talking about family stuff like yo. Can we talk about something else. Mom really went through it but doing that and put it in autumn details <hes> late anyway what was interesting about the champ speech was the n._f._l. Put that out on social channels with the quote. Please listen exempted and incent that out like that was on the n._f._l. Brand name. They took his message in l._a. Nominee this is something that america america needs to hear and they put that out there <hes> and that tells me that somehow the n._f._l. Has has demonstrated itself to be more comfortable with some of these things than the people that cover the n._f._l. Or maybe as possible that with the media landscape being what it is right now the n._f._l. Can afford to put their name on something like that because the rest of us are not really going to amplify it and so they can get the points for being being down for it and then the people that normally do their bidding for them in terms of getting information out. They just won't put it out. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know but i do feel like if you need to look up up in the n._f._l. Is being like oh. Maybe loosen up a little bit. Look what happened and everything was okay. Maybe everybody else needs to loosen up just a little bit. I mean it's the thought i think it's something that's absolutely absolutely worth considering because it ain't light champ. Bailey said that it started getting booed. I don't recall anything indicating that when ed reed came out there with shirt bertone that anybody booed him or anything like that by maybe just maybe it is quite possible that the folks out here can handle a little more reality reality than people given them credit for being able to handle or or maybe maybe this is a fascinating illustration illustration of just how much we revere champions and hall of famers all right so one thing about champ in giving a speech and and same with ed reed though again his all over the place <hes> one thing about it that is interesting to me at least is we've made the decision tonight. Hey if you achieve this height in your career then we're going to give you the microphone. Take all the time. You won't say all all the stuff you want to say. It is your world. You got it right here by cutting off the microphone on you. I you giving your hall of fame speech by. Maybe that's as part of it too right like. I imagine somebody involved. I would love to cut the microphone. When those things went in those directions geico you imagine what the thing it would have been a champ bailey was given that and then they cut the microphone ofo him. Yes not like the oscars. There's no music in person standing on the stage to usher you off with your trophy. Everybody would know exactly what time was if you cut the mic phone. Everybody would know what time it was so what you gotta do. Is you gotta ride this out right and you know why you gotta ride this out because we have decided decided that you as hall of famer. You get to say whatever you want. In this moment this is yours and so whatever their message happened to be in by away. Chas message went anything close to be an incendiary but they were going to let them get it out all right. This was gonna be it. This is the ultimate i got the mic and you can't do do nothing about it sort of situation and he took it and i think most people probably should have been better off for it. I think they also oh and i hadn't really thought too much about the actual message itself. The message itself is very interesting where he's like. Hey man listen to your friends. When your friends tell you these things things i would add something. That's kinda supplementary to that which is ask yourself whether or not these people are really your friends if you wouldn't listen to him in the first place my what are they to you if someone had to tell you to listen when they talk about their fears when they talk about things that worry them would were those people to you in the first place. I think that's the level of introspection inspection that people need to take from that is that if you have somebody that you thought was your friend and they try and tell you how to make them feel and your inclination is to dismiss it. Is that really your friend and if that's not really your friend what's stopping that person from being your friend in spite of the fact that you thought that that was your friend mike. It's a really profound amoun- sorta way to look at it and puts it in very simple terms and strategically and i don't know how much thought about this himself champ did it in a way that didn't put in terms of racism because when you put it in terms of racism wife holds gotta tendency to get defensive about tad where like hey man i didn't i didn't do this is the world the way it was. I could come very quickly in these conversations zeta-jones. Please don't get mad at me. If you feel like i'm generalizing. I don't know if you know this but i've had a lot of these conversations in my life. I got a pretty good handle on how it is that they go right. I ain't is out here guessing. The problem of generalization is not the general is not the simple act of generalizing but it is typically about generalizing about things that you don't know anything about. I know a lot about this right. This is how we can go so as yourself. Why would you be inclined to dismiss your friend. Why haven't you look headway. Friends told me about as mayor they've been like oh. I thought a lot of this. W we're talking about was july actually hung out with you and actually solve these things snap. Wow man wife trip is sometimes yes. Yes yes from time to time. It happens mid. Does the people can handle this man. I feel like they can <hes>. I think in some ways they've demonstrated came and i'd also say on another level. Some people can handle being mad to it'll be mad for a little bit but some people volt can handle that but i also think that a lot of people being mad not mad has to do with how we frame and how we handle these things so let's go back to what i said before about area where i said i felt like you know the idea that people are being treated like trolls when they're trying to make these points in retrospect i think that all of us could stand and go look back at the ways that media outlets covered the situation with capper nick and ask ourselves how sincere in the macro rose sense we were about discussing the topic like how many of us were discussing the topic because we actually had some points to make and had some good things to say and and we're wishing to bring the appropriate context to the matter or how many people were covering it because they knew it would be something that would generate some measure of ratings and they figured out that the way to generate the ratings on it was to approach it in a way that was going to make clear side is that people could argue with because that's what we talk about the actual sports topics. We try to find size were by to get on to argue about. I think something to be said about us looking back at that and being like yo. We're we in some ways unnecessarily inflammatory in the way that the topic was handled and i don't know the answer to that by the way i'm not saying saying that's necessarily true and when i say we i'm talking about the industry in a very large like macro sorta sent and at me like say like i know myself personally. I was not out here just trying to make people mad if they go back and look at anything i've ever said about the matter wouldn't really my approach and people got mad but i understand you know. Omelettes omelettes eggs break happens <hes> but if you don't actually care about the issue at hand but you found it necessary to cover what was going on around capture nick it would be very easy for you to wind up being a person who presented the situation nation in a way that is in line with trolling because you don't you don't care so if you don't care you do. Would you generally do which is try to generate arrate. Discussion was the discussion that generating was the discuss you trying to get you trying to get this thing hot. You know trying to get engagement. We're trying to give people people on this and sometimes the more the more human and subtle expressions on these things are not the things they get the engagement. They're not the ones that do it but i feel like we can look at what happened with the hall of fame and chant bailey even ed reed who speech i didn't agree with and a lot of parts right but even that didn't send people flipping out the people people who disagree with him but we can do this man right. We all believe all of us. There are waiting by says about <hes> you know look. I think this is one thing we all across the board believed we all believe the sports can be used as venue to do good in the world beyond simply the games that are played. We all believe the sports can be used as a vehicle to bring awareness to larger causes right. That's in part. Why you you see so much of this stuff with the military there because people believe the sports is a good way to bring that particular message of patriotism to folks they that's believing eating into power of sport to do good <hes> the work that many entities in sports including the one that i worked for <hes> puts in <unk> toward cancer awareness. We believe that we can use sports to bring these message and talk about this 'cause in front of people and thereby do good for the world. That is why we do this. We can make the world better by highlighting legitimate messages of humanity and dan what i would consider to be unity which bailey is talking about is unity. We can do that here. We can. We just as a collective have to ask ask ourselves. Are we really that concerned with doing good. If we only want to do good that doesn't hurt anybody's feelings. That is something that everybody listed. This needs to ask themselves. Is that if you really care about doing some better. The only time you try to do some better is if it doesn't offend anybody because i'm telling you now. If that's the case then you do not believe that sports can actually truly be used to do any good or matters of race. I believe they can and most of us have said for very long time that we believe they they can help one of the things about ed re you see those wife over there and the ad read section in like how sincerely choked up in happy they were about him in the way he talked about the way they talked about him like they have like you know every possession you got about raises. Louisiana man and people look at each other like family and those things can happen right. These are possible. It's not like oh look how great the world is because of these two people but in a micro example man thinking about some of the obstacles that we gotta overcome just to talk to each other. That's pretty damn significant right. We all believe leave that sports can do good on this particular matter but if we only do it if you don't make nobody man then at some some point sports is actually going to become part of the problem and i myself personally would rather it be somewhat part of a solution. Are you ready for football. It's almost they're as ready as ever be. Well let me ask this. I've got to ask if you're ready ready for football but i wanted you to answer that as a sports fan not as a producer of content because as a producer of content i would like to get here right. There are definitely two two competing views there. I'm going to be interesting to see how this season turns. How we get a lot of incendiary things going on originally yeah now. The league is i mean i do think we have awesome like pretty as much as we talk about the n._b._a.'s had all these interesting stories for the last couple of years <hes> but i think the n._f._l. For the first time that i can really think of has like <unk> a lot that i think are interesting right now. I think what's going on right now with the cowboys is very interesting. I think the chiefs just in terms of watching their offense is interesting but of course this year to pat mahomes. I think that's a very interesting story. Bruce arians going to tampa. I think that one is going to be a very interesting. What in the world happens with lamar jackson and whatever offense it is. Gonna try to run down there. I think that one's interesting <hes> i can go around. I missed a few new coach. We met aaron rodgers. I think that one is a very interesting one. Everything with the raiders. I think is pretty interesting like i mean i really do think we got a lot here and then we have cleveland that went from being the browns to being the favorites in the a._f._c. north basically with no stops in between largely based on excitement generated by two dudes who really really ain't done nothing right those dudes are beggar mayfield and freddie kitchens now beckham courses on this list of things but i wanna talk about kind of these two dudes. <hes> first part of the intrigue with them is that they neither of them truly looks depart. Freddie kitchens absolutely does not look the part of an n._f._l. Head coach. You've never heard anybody talk about him the n._f._l. Head coach really until he became an n._f._l. Head coach and you got mayfield l. Who's a not very tall and be not as diplomatic. Shall we say as quarterbacks typically are he is much more a chip on my shoulder shoulder kind of dude but neither of them really looked the part but i also think that they kind of perfectly fit the city that they play in 'cause if cleveland's guide anything god knows it's a chip on his shoulder and then freddy kitchen he kinda every may and right gave it ain't nobody's giving every man kind of looks like every man yeah yeah. I'd say all the people in the n._f._l. That looked like i mean that make over a million dollars. He looks at least like it. That's probably the way i ain't afraid. Freddie kisses look like frederick has he got his new contract and he ain't even thing once about a new pair of shoes. I tell you what he did. He put an ad on to his house but a new dead back their new bathroom or something out of hey. I wouldn't be surprised if he got also. Would you call it. You know about the green egg. I've seen one he does. He not strike you as sorta. Do that will be really excited about getting green egg. He's exactly the data guys out there. You got a new grille like that's what they did. That's a country folk well. Do you covers the money. You put some new on the house and he gives you a new grill. Maybe even a new grill on the truck. You drive a truck. Most definitely dress subtracts driving a truck see i got. It's hard for me to gauge that though because i'm from texas where everybody has a truck basically and so i don't know for the rest of the south jets exactly what the distribution abusive pickup trucks to the male population is but i know in texas l. yet that -absolutely has a truck transition lenses. Can you see those. I haven't seen him with glasses. That's a good point yeah yeah so we might not be that do but yeah. That's has to kind of every man there. Freddie kitchens is given off like they do the man i'm asking everybody involved in this man as we do. Buddhist can y'all make me not hate to browns because i don't have any reason to hate browns and i don't wanna hate to brown but i feel like y'all ain't going to be able to help y'all sales and some of the ways that you talk about the browns is gonna make it very difficult for me to light brown because i'm looking at baker mayfield right now and it's not his fault that everybody is like all over some but he's things that he's doing that. Other people probably could not get away with however iago. Make me hate him if you don't watch out right right because he's a he's all like here's one thing about mayfield and i'll give me feel this. I don't thing may feel really cares. If we like him. I don't i just i just don't think that's is concerned and i respect that and that's cool and if his dad your concern if you're not that concerned if people like you then you can't be concerned if somebody like happens not to like i am going to tell you guys. You need to send it. That chip on my shoulder. Stuff is going to get exhausted for y'all because the thing about mayfield is that chip ain't never ever gonna go away they gave do you have any like chip on chip on shoulder friends. I don't mean growing up in napa california. There's not a lot of a lot of ships e-e-eh the chips difficult these people up there yeah. I mean being a short person myself. I have had to fight my whole life august but not fighting in the same way that many others have always forget that you're short. I tell you the greatest compliment i can pay you appreciate that you carry yourself with dignity not befitting a man above average height. That's good a lot of people struggle with that but not you. You know who you are. What about baker. That's what i don't understand that he at that place yet. In fact baker mayfield might actually be taller than i realized. I beg in my head that attitude a little. Did we know he's actually like four five eleven. I don't think he's six feet right here right here at the right here to sixty live you know what i also kind of figured out like actual fast short dues. They don't seem to have like it doesn't seem to have it but that's not really fast. I don't know the hypothesis but anyway by as our beggar sitting there with <hes> chugging a beer in the in the end sweet you saw that we bid bit canned opened. His mouth chug a beer and he was sitting there with a moustache. I did see that and he looked like an average guy the game as opposed to an n._f._l. Quarterback is he did part of it for me was and again. This is not baker. Mayfield's feels fault but it must be nice to be able to get away with doing something like that like not. Everybody can pull this off. Ed people just be like oh. Wow this is cool in charleston gave new dad. They realize who's driving palm. How's it going back that could be wildly responsible <hes> but again it's not baker mayfield fault but we gonna wind up in a situation where he's dude winds lines of getting praised a lot of things that people get criticized for on some other sides and that that could be off me to watch it can be difficult. I think we're gonna have a tendency to do a measure of overrating rayton here because all of this is like it's new and it's exciting and he's got an obvious charisma and cool and he is a good. He's a good player. He is a talented player like this could be ridiculed which brown's <hes> but i just feel like we all go overboard with it already because they but they are in fact still the cleveland even brown's like i really just want to see how this goes. You know who the browns are the worst for though right mike tomlin the the thing with tomlin is thomas out here live in the era of belichick in his record against bella chickens so bad like how much different or things for the steelers if if they just not up there losing it a patriots all the time and it is not i mean it is a bit of an indictment on tomlin that he'd never seen to figure out how to get past. Whatever it is the bella check <hes> has come up with but man if he is one thing to be out here losing to belgium man they go out there and lose the freddie kitchens each each which is it didn't they. This is a team that does not have antonio brown anymore. Then rosberg older yeesh salata yeesh sure going on there for them. If they finished behind the cleveland browns invariably. You would think something is going to go wrong because they are in fact the browns but they've got. They've got great players. I can fairly say grill is to earliest mayfield is great but mayfield could be great. They have a very good promising quarterback. They have a a great wide receiver. They have a great edge rusher. These these are good things to start with but they also got a coach as already yeah out here talk about anybody. Who's an anonymous. Source is going to get fired. Who you don't sound you don't sound insecure at all there freddie. Oh no not even a little bit you got to coach the hadn't done this before by the way working for a franchise that fires coaches immediately after they have come come up short of expectation and that's even when the expectations weren't high in the first place dudes up out of there fast because it's the only coach i think of it as on the hot seat foot job starts people think they're gonna win. The damn the vision so we got that we got mayfield and you know he was hollering the receivers the other day and odell said hey if that's the way the beggar wants to do. Is this the we're going to do it and that's how it goes at. I hate going down the line. How do you think that's going to go if baker is not hitting odell when odell is open. How's it going go out here. How who owed odell jarvis landry are they still wide. Receivers has no matter voted the one. That's always opened. A driver's lounge doesn't feel like he getting the ball enough. How do you think that was going right out. There's there's there's a lot here that can happen in cleveland. It could be very good. It could be very also realized by the end of this segment. I completely forgot what i was gonna talk about at the beginning of it and talked about a bunch of other stuff but i think it was fascinating either way it goes. I don't think i'm gonna hate to browns and hopefully baker. Mayfield won't get on my nerves would all everybody hates me. It's not there's even everybody hates me. That's an inappropriate way to put it but you understand what i'm saying. You gotta chip chip as gave any chip people around you them chip dudes. They get exhausting in matt part of why they get exhausted used to having a fight now man. I can't go to clubs. You know no no. We can't go to this week. No no no now now because nobody's gonna accidentally stepped on your shoes and you don't think they're gonna say sorry fast enough and now we gotta fight because you got a chip chip chip chip guy hard to deal with chip. Go hard to deal with but could make for very entertaining sixteen game n._f._l. 'this talk about the n._b._a. All decade team in a minute but first after hearing me talk about butcher bots months. If you haven't taken advantage of their amazing offers you need to listen up every month which delivers humanely raised one hundred percent grass-fed did beef free range organic chicken heritage breed pork and wild caught alaskan salmon directly to your door jews four curated boxes or customize. 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Chris paul russell westbrook anthony davis blake griffin carmelo anthony thirteen dwayne wade kobe bryant paul george lamarcus aldridge janas onto. You know people think i'm a kobe hater right i do. I do know that i don't hate kobe. Shannon hates coping. I'm just honest about colby. Oh be in his career. Are you surprised that a kobe snuck into the thirteen when he hadn't had a good season since two thousand thirteen yeah that felt more like an image vote than anything else yeah like i mean i feel like kimball. Walker has ruined be upset about this and i never thought i'd be situation whereas as the kemba walker has ruined to be upset that he's ranked below coby bryan on something thousand little low for him and i thought it was a little high for james harden but then i thought about audit no he's been doing this for that long. I feel like that's what this list made me. Realize is your man. We're getting a little bit old like hawaii. Leonard has been under the all star team only three times. It may be three times but kawhi leonard also has what to jab ships do finals m._v._p.'s and defensive player of the year award like yeah. That'll that'll throw you. That'll get you on the first team all decade but it really made me look up and be like yo like with the war for example. The warriors didn't become like the warriors years until two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen step an all star before that like you've been doing this now seventy eight years chris paul. I mean he'd been doing this forever. Anthony davis anthony davis played basically that whole decade blake griffin played that whole a decade gape all my favorite players are all now. There is a turnover that's happening with the league right before is paul. George paul george going into his tendencies chintzy now he kinda belongs on something like this the lamarcus aldridge. I've been in the league for thirteen years by the way what's this disrespected. D. wade the way got a couple of championships. De way would have been finals m._v._p. Brandon let them down in twenty eleven. D wave made thirteen like just ahead of kobe bryant. I feel he got dissed. Is there an argument by the way for kobe bryant on this vicki. If we're gonna talk about guys that did view whatever damage they did in the early part of this. Is there room for that one. Ask you this. This is what i'm curious about. What do you think carmelo anthony second team all dickey yeah his time on the down slope of his career has seemed to be you a long time but i'm just trying to remember when the last goodyear was that he had i do not have a great answer for how good i think carmelo. Anthony has been as an n._b._a. Player i have new great answer that because second team it doesn't feel bad but i don't know if he feels right. I don't have anybody that can throw off. The top of my head that i think is like better necessarily but i win. This is all said and done with mellow and i thought about this stephen aid to the interview with him last week. I don't know what i'm ultimately going to think of what we're ultimately going to think of him and it also speaks to a degree how we view guys differently if they just stay on one team like a mellow heavy exact same career but he stayed in denver inver. Do we feel better about him or do we feel worse about him or the same if he did it in new york because i don't think he gets nearly enough credit for his time in new york. I don't think he gets it's enough credit for what he meant to that team in the fact that you know nobody wanted. Nobody has wanted to play for the knicks. He wanted to go and play for the knicks. He took everything that came. We're playing for the next. They actually had a couple of pretty decent teams while he was playing for the knicks but he's a guy that i feel like we're always going to evaluate in the context of what he wasn't at the expense of what he was and he's too good for us to not appreciate what is that he was. We know you can't be on top of all the news and information of the day no need for the social media feeds. We got that you now if you haven't heard bo this first story comes from tech hi i'm victoria song i'm consumer tech reporter for his meadow and i'm i'm here to talk about the sony riyan pockets basically a small wearable air conditioner that spout the size of a card wallet and you slip it into a pocket tuck it in a special undershirt at the back of your neck and it connects to an out you hit a button and then you can just basically set what temperature you'd like to be on a hot day you you can use it to keep yourself cool and on a cold day you can use it to keep yourself warm sunnis crowdfunding it through their first flight program and since it launched launched a couple of weeks ago it's already met one hundred percent of its funding goal so prices range from somewhere around one hundred seventeen dollars to somewhere closer to one one hundred seventy five dollars depending when they get funded fully backers can expect to see their wearable h fax sometime around march point twenty but you know l. even though it's really hot in the u._s. Japan only product so hopefully they take some picking on us over here did they say sony is crowdfunding. I did think the part that serves really interesting about the same sony that makes playstations. They need more money to work in a product. It's are you kidding me anyway. <hes> i don't know about you gave the design. Ideas sounds great. The problem is sounds like one of those ideas that sounds wow so great until you find out he gives you cancer exactly where it malfunctions into blowing up on your van. Yes suddenly your undershirt his caught on fire yeah. Fortunately you're uninsured as perfectly dry because you see your pocket air conditioners kept you so cool that you did not sweat and it's not just an air conditioner to the fact that it also he timely. That sounds like there's more room for malfunction news bad news all right. This next story comes from retail. This this is above a business reporter for the washington. Post banana republic last week began selling jobs on its website following in the footsteps of a number of major retailers including macy's and uniqlo nike sells job for athletes and even american eagle briefly got into the game with a twenty dollar denim shop banana republic says it selling the religious the head coverings to celebrate diversity but it also makes a lot of business sense muslim consumers spend nearly three hundred billion dollars a year worldwide so this is an important and growing demographic emma graphic the muslim shoppers i talked to in the story were encouraged by the news they said it was a step towards diversity and inclusion and that it was particularly important now given the political uh-huh climate where there is so much vitriol towards immigrants and people of color some did wonder though if this was a way for a major companies to profit off of religious garment and whether there was any risk of of cultural appropriation of people who aren't muslim buying hit jobs in wearing them as fashion accessories but for the most part they said they were encouraged by banana republics efforts and they hope that more mainstream putting chains would begin thinking about their needs. You know it's interesting that before this story i had like an even visit hearing this plato's that was like wow you know. I never thought about where you go to buy job. You know when i did that. There are some you know a store that does this or whatever but i had never really thought about they just as an idea that there's no reason why any job is not something that you would be able to buy in any clothing store. You know there's no shortage of people who are muslim in the united estates is not like it shocks you. When you see somebody wear any job like it's not uncommon. I hadn't really thought about it in that way but they got to the end. When you got to the end she got to the part that struck me about the story from the very beginning. Which is i would like to see what do they call them gave like the decks when they when they got him together banana republic and they were like yeah we gonna start telling me that would be interesting to see kind of inside the scenes how they're portraying it right like who is the target audience because obviously the target audience audience should be muslim. Women can't ever be sure and i would also like to know if banana republic thought is all the way out because they thought about this all the way out. I feel like they would consider sending out the email to all the locations that i would send out to location that seventy jobs which is hey guys. Don't try to get too fancy with these mannequins all right. This last story comes from entertainment steve's. I took with the washington post country music television or c._m._t. Has long been an also ran on on the cable dial. Perhaps for not much longer though chris mccarthy viacom executive recently engineered a ratings turnaround at m._t._v. and v._h. One has been given control of e._m._t. Given a mandate it to make it more modern more updated or he puts it a little less residual gone from the mix those like kentucky redneck island and my big redneck wedding instead he's focusing on series like racing wives lives which looks at the inner lives and professional accomplishments of women in the nascar orbit or dallas cowboys cheerleaders making the team competition show. That's c._m._t.'s longest running hit this season condole. We'll take a slightly different tack on your mccarthy. Take matters into more feminist direction. This would seem like a good time for such a ship such a move to diversity it is after all the summer of old town wrote a little non-sexist country rap crossover. That's been a smash on the billboard charts recently setting a record for most weeks at number one everyone though is likely to be happy about this change country music remains at the heart of a cultural war just a few weeks ago where garner is syndicated host was told as employer cumulus media. He couldn't air an interview he did with democratic presidential candidate pete buddha judge wjr old town road itself was the subject of controversy booted off the billboard country chart back in the spring. When many in the establishment rejected it it was only after billy ray cyrus. The nineties hitmaker are performed on it that it was restored. Mccarthy has a long tough crime ahead of him. It remains to be seen whether he can pull it off and whether listeners viewers will have the thing that's so so interesting to me about all the periphery like cultural stuff with country music is i can't think of anything that is as broad as successful full country music. They move a lot of units over there but i can't think of anything that is success. Successful is country music that is so like consciously insular like at once it is sold for mass consumption but it has always so narrowly defined. What is what so i'm hearing their shows like like gun turkey and and all that stuff whatever and see the thing to me is like i'm very familiar with the south it goes down because not everybody gets down like that like a lot of people who are on they certainly get down like that but not everybody gets down like that and we're seeing these metropolitan areas in the south that are a bit more cosmopolitan imaging's but not everybody gets down own according to this narrow vision so it's interesting to see the idea that country music television or c._m._t. Now is not they did the k._f._c. thing but i m not wants to broaden now and i i imagined that there's some measure fear that a company like that would have their viewers are going to tune out and and i'm like what a t._v. Network they're going out. Maybe of some of those shows that they don't like but you know they go to into the ones that are there jam damn. They don't keep coming back to that. I don't know if those people are just sitting around watching c. and nothing but c._m._t. All day long i imagine they flip in if honest stuff they like and they'll stick with the ones they like and in in you know when they had the little naza show. They go wash that per per aw hey this is bomani. You've reached the voicemail. Say whatever you want get creative with it but this is your place to talk aw back to the show saddam back base all right bo the hall of fame game now in the rear view and football on the way tom to <hes> bring back an old favourite. The wacky quit football stories. First one comes from five in d._c. This fight from d._c. In my mind i you got it made the hall of fame but you take you back back in my younger days. Let me tell you i'm bill kind of like you told them about six five maybe to ten then. I figured hey man. It was around the time randy. Moss let me go out there and a football field blessing with these small towns that go out all four receiver leva around a few routes come across the middle a couple of times linebackers. Just give me a little tap. I wish i could say blew me up but they they just gave me a little event like that. Too much coast said i just get your mouth or just run the name now that's a fly route straight eight down the satellite so iran to stop and go caught the db flat-footed house strat and felt good going down the sideline. I don't know if you have enough enough overpass before but at a certain point you realize oh. I'm gonna need to kicking again. Get to this ball so i did. All sisters. Check kicked in never give as soon as i made that i try to catch up with this bomb so like somebody stabbed me in the back of my leg with a dagger. The burning sensation insatiable was incredible so damn the past bam the football and damnest sports over the next morning black and blue luke shrink bruise answering is destroy and that was the muscle. Let me tell you some man. Do they okay like my mom every day story about my mom. She bought a hamstring. You did not so mom. She's in her late. Sixty s at this point she fled on softball team and my mother is incredibly competitive person and does not want to be good at whatever there is to do and so- pitch gain she she swung she he got it like got an outfield things he moved it and hit into gap and i feel comfortable saying that she hid in the gap because she ran around first base. She rounded firs. She's halfway to second pull a hamstring. His ground separates separates <unk> and i know that this was happening because my momma called me and she called my brother. I think they'd given painkillers goes by the but she called us and i don't think i answered but my brother did not let voicemail. She does lead voicemail and she told what happened but she wanted to make sure should we knew she made it safe to second base. She hit to growl and she crawled and and she made a second base. Your mom is tougher than anybody else in your house and don't you forget it and get a short one good good one here for you at the guy didn't leave his name via laugh at it. What happened to me with football is i was in the eighth grade planning for three of your chest and my mom ran on the field. It got mac on the sideline. I play quarterback and once you ran out there with her. Pumps discovered that it was time for me to hang up my clicks. What did you did. I miss the explanation as to why she came as national where he said he got on the but and that causes mom did run out on the field in her. You guys you guys you by the way i like agassi if he got knocked on the sideline is better be to ask some questions. I don't know what questions who for whatever but someone have to give me some answers at this last one comes from isaac hey this is advertising. I was actually football high-school. I wouldn't say i do not quickly four years of college small college football at hastings college and hastening the west but i gotta tell you my father my oh fun playing football. My father was really fast. They clustered from the track team and tell them to come out and play football. He said okay so they put him. In wire receiver sorta had him on a route. He ran out. They threw the ball tour. He calls the bowl and blow boasts fine stan. My daddy got blasted. Nude it up now. Boy i gotta tell you my dad was born in nineteen forty two so he plays he's playing football in like the late fifties maybe to maybe nineteen sixty so this is not like we're quitting and helmets and all they semester. My dad had a chance to show. That's the only thing he kept from the uniform so he got blessed by db face jam-packed. This is practice bow. They said in my office also confirmed. My father got up and i'm gonna tell you exactly as they said they said he took. All the everything lifted right is on the field only chinstrap new here and he really walked home and never came baseball football. I never laughed so hard when they told we're sort of not mad at him. This all stops now. I'm not doing this anymore. That was hilarious. That was the best one this left it all out on the field. They're literally left it on the field yawkey. Have it right. That's all it. It is y'all have it. I have had enough what why are you still here. 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Episode 90 - Cocktails With a Bit of Grapefruit

The Gentlemen of Elegant Leisure

57:15 min | 1 year ago

Episode 90 - Cocktails With a Bit of Grapefruit

"States will start levels giles. Martin Mike Do Check check check. Check check check check to do it today. The you in me just like the open. It's like the old days ago. It was meant to be for coffee before this ourselves. All amped up. Yeah I was GONNA offer offer to bring some over. But I didn't know him the cocktail and and welcome to Episode Ninety of the Gentlemen of Elegant Leisure. I'm Dave along with Jason. Hello Hello Jason Know Fred Red is you might have heard in the ramble up to the opening. Fred is not here not here. He is in wonderful blazing on fire. California Southern California. Stay safe red. Stay safe if you're listening in here probably already at home. Yeah Yeah yes. He's not here this recording. Sure he'll be back home this uploads. Yeah there you go so just the two of us and we're taking on the bitter fruits grapefruits yeah. I don't know how better it's going to be because you can't find regular grapefruit Joan. Our can't you've got to get the sweet red pink grapefruit. Yeah which is nice. It is nice in fact. I thought if anything that's going to help help the drink now because in our last episode episode we did those two awful drinking the dirt Martini and the black man job they were just got off. They were better and now we know in go in knowing that it's going to be better because it's grapefruit but it's Ruby. Red Are both are cocktails today or grapefruit juice Houston theme. Yes the Grapes of Wrath the cream of the grapefruit of rap. Yes we're doing the Palm Beach special and Seventh Heaven Uh both out of Hague's ventured spirit. Cotton cocktails did not for a little bit so with get back to a doctor cocktail so start with Palm Beach since I've got the page open and L. C. Ted Rates Palm Beach floor from eighteen thirty as a symbol of upscale. Relax sophisticated fun in the Sun. Just like we are the cocktail A product of the nineteen forties. It could hardly be simpler. But it's also Chris Bracing declared effective look a New Yorker. Wow well bracing miracle CRISP CRISP I believe in the naming though it and the cocoa phone switched at birth Perk Avenue cocktail. No so they think maybe the park avenue tastes more able should have done those. I think we've done the park avenue. No what's at the Park Avenue. Jin's pineapple juice vermouth and Orange Kurasawa. Maybe we did this week. So freely. Pineapple juice do the Pike Avenue. But we didn't plan for it. No yeah so this is going to be a Sassy. Brassy drinking yes. Yes just like a New Yorker in your face recording this. This is the deepest darkest November. Yes so yeah so here here. The ingredients to and advances or five hundred the gill point five. CLL cubic leaders Hubadoo two and a half ounces cubic leaders. We need frontier for the math. Two and a half ounces of GIN. He Recommends Plymouth. But we're I think we're GONNA go with tanker. Yes which is fine Three quarters of an ounce of grapefruit juice in half sweet vermouth all right so I had to buy new with anybody. Anybody wonders why when we stopped doing the show why we stopped doing this. Show is because it's just a money pit like buying a car. Just sucks up money me. No I went down to the BBC star looking for a small bottle of sweet vermouth. So I wouldn't have to have a leader of it. They don't have that. No no the the big huge once again big VERMOUTH About five the liquor store. Well anyway This one I had never seen before and they're all all the same price and so I thought well I'm going to try this Leonilo a red vermouth. Its sweetness. Code was six as opposed to Cinzano Susannah. Who Do we normally use Martinian Rodney? Seven on there's higher goes sweeter it it yes supposedly wait. I've never count on it so that is going to be next easy. We've only got three ingredients. Three ingredient breaks for those of you just starting out for two and a half ounces gin and that's what it says to the GIN and because it's just you and me we're GONNA split one big print so I guess we'll make a nice glass looks like and then you can have a slip out of the residue guest since Fred isn't here. I guess I am off to be johnny photographer tiger for this Johnny. Votaw G- so this goes GIN. Gin Drink I was in Palm Beach. Florida where are you. Yes in the nineteen forties in the nineteen twenty two thousand so you were at a business conference as you may remember. Yeah and I borrowed the car drove up to. Yeah hanging out with your winky fins. Yeah I went to that mansion mentioned the Sherman. Now fixmer Butler cler fiddler. Sorry how much to the grapefruit and how much of the three quarters of grapefruit juice hassles of the sweet. VERMOUTH announce sweet promote like I got my and did you like Palm Beach. I didn't see too much of it. The funny thing about Florida and you can attest some of US needed to get the drive around as much as I did Since the coast and they'll be a road on it with houses maybe both sides really on one side and then on the other side of that set of houses is there's more water is almost always an inland waterway. But it's always obscured by houses driving along one. I could be the neighborhood. I have no idea that the the wild Atlantic is on that side and that there's pleasure craft on the other side. How much grapefruit? Three quarters of an ounce figures grapefruit and half an ounce of sweet vermouth right in the picture. It's quite a pink drink so we'll see there's no it shouldn't be with Ruby Red Grapefruit and you just get a little shot here cameras. Your it is the Long Beach. People can't be with my dance. Yeah properly timed to avoid any sort of it should deal but here we go. It's nice my glass the Tall Oh guy today sure for Martini Martini Glass. Because he's credible and what I'll do is I'm going to pour just a splash in here for you to taste nice. Then we'll put the rest of air for the photons and it's not remotely drinking all morton a well it looks. It looks pinker in Tamil. Actually looking at again it's more of an amber colored. Yeah so quite even just stuff that fear selecting. I'd be remiss if I didn't take a photo of said drink can turn your little sip. Here is going to be pretty good one. Put that down. I casse which was doing this a little bit earlier today. Which is kind of refreshing The morning I got up had a cup of coffee uh-huh watch some youtube clips. And then I had two pieces of cold pizza for you. Now I'm having a cocktail ellen. Twenty after twelve businessmen all right. Well here we go already actually. I'll take a picture to all right. You take a picture of training a lot of smell coming off palm beach. Pyeho AGGRIPA reeks of money. Go and I'll picture too in case there's the delay in getting too big Internet Sh- cheers to you my friend. Here's perhaps November happy ninetieth. Jeff Howe is sort of a strong. Something reminds me of Casey us to it. But spiciness well mildly spicy almost like hint of close for something I could see that now but it's But before we haven't added baby clothes we haven't potato maybe there is some bidders or something in separate You're right there's an element of the end of it that makes me think out of orange rind mind or that kind of kind of it right now and yet you're right there's nothing there. There's a Ruby Ruby red grapefruit now. VERMOUTH and GIN. Yeah Yeah Tech doesn't have a lot of information about this particular drink but Similar to the Park Heaven Cocteau which falls in his book. which is jim pineapple juice sweet vermouth but with orange crusoe added right? This I would square I said can you taste the orange curious out here. And there is no orange Peres now. full-frontal Yeah Oh oh from and it is like you said it's an amber moore but amber any kind of yeah. It's a little bit richer than some of the yellow drinks. Should we have hands on not just blatantly yellow but nine that I was going to be quite a bit pinker and it looks like Florida. Florida's am how did they describe it. CRISP IT -scribes. It yes it. It's a prevalent early simpler. It's Chris Bracing. Declarative effective like New Yorker is amuse lot of New Yorkers. There is there must be a lot of retirement people in their sure. You're rich long. Island is one that has it's not in Boca Raton Poker middle-class riches Angler Funder Fischler fogler. No no big mansion big mansion. Were you you gotta your own private tour or do you just is blocked around and enter. I think just walked around in it but I feel like I had a tour as well. Isn't that weird. Maybe they just give basic summary and then say you on in your way through various endless halls lord rooms maybe used dropped on. Maybe what was going on sort of tagged along on it Baby Yeah I don't remember. I remember the most incredible thing was that he had his little train car And it was parked there. He was a real a railroad baron baron and he had the he at a special spur. Track track sure breath and the big story was that he I forget it he was a creep. It probably wasn't creepy little Mar.. Your railroad barons it creeps came home funny and he had this big open. Foyer resume similar things that I've seen in Italy. Probably easing into Italian vibe at this frontal welcoming hall thing or maybe. I'm confusing it for the one I saw in Italy. Anyway there was a little door off to the side and at the bottom of the stairs there was a bathroom and so when he got tramcar right into the front door and hit the Biffi not sure and went their doors swing shut. Should you fell down the stairs. Oh dear died really yeah. Wow either from the injuries are during the tumble down the stairs. That's the way to go to Man Death by door now. I'd hate to be wrong about not being a creep but for some reason I feel that there was element of something was wrong. His kids lined up for beating every that Finger Fischler. Maybe maybe we have time. We'll look it up on the Internet. Okay but then. It'll turn out that. I've got the depth story I'll rock. Yeah actually died peacefully. Sounds better ninety nine after donating all of his wealth to the Florida. Yeah he was a humanitarian almost was saint go to slag obscure get but yeah. This'll be the time that we have the one listener. Yeah Koehler says hey. I'm from Florida conflict. Not True Guy. It was a beautiful. Yeah it looks like a European sued by the Bigler Estate Fackler fogler my dot with an unfortunate unfortunate name. Bradley Ron MALEC. Well now. What have we pause for station station? Identification you're listening to the gentleman of Elegant Leisure on the coin mom network CNN. Yeah maybe that's what we should come back on this fiasco memories. Have you had any personal stories. Schuessel Monroe were the original idea for the for this episode. Was You are going to have hot chocolate and discuss our shallots growing up in the same little town white rock. That's right well. It's not that I don't know where to start. Where does one start and the beautiful little seaside community and it still is a beautiful levels he said community but it has lost? Its vibe. It's not it's not little doesn't feel a little anymore. Feels like a suburb and is beginning to look like the witch Vancouver. Not The high rise a high rise. I went to run out of land. And that's a problem with weight wrong. It's a tiny little three miles by three quarters of a mile again. If you're looking at ladd massive white part of the end of your fingernail. Where at the live and everything has been developed park land or you know Arthur redeem were so they gotta build up? It's GonNa go but yeah it was a nice that was it's a big big push to grow up less the railroad tracks run rate alone in front of us. That's right there's always a lonely lonely retrain sound childhood and I guess you heard a clear the me because you lived a little bit closer to the ocean and I did foghorn. Oh yeah heard the fuck arm yes and go I love and a Fokker kind of soothing. didn't bother some people didn't like the foghorn but I don't remember is one of the Muslim this more was it one of the ones when the first one the former. That's that's what I remember. Yeah I know but but the classic what is always the I might have given you rotate it by that. But I'm horn the train and and yeah the smell of the sea. Mata people don't believe that you can smell the see if you don't see. Let's strawberry pie spell girly and I was last week. I drove to the superfluity when the fifth thrift star Looking for Christmas deals and then finally. That's what just what Jason gives us secondhand deficit Christmas collection old rag. Yeah dodgy light strings electrical hazards. No no never never sure what you're going to get and did you buy anything at the used store and nothing there grabbed your attention now A lot of people in their buying secondhand stuff but it was right behind the old bank which was across the street from the old elementary school And I thought of either of which you attended no no hd trip for you in ratio for me Yeah Weirdos troublemakers. The Rip Rap White Rock lowlights. Yeah exactly and that's why I now. Because it was full of vermin deep twenty three of the electorate now white rock elementary that it reminded me of being a kid because the sea festival parade. I used to go right down Johnson road instead of along the beach where it's flat people. Go down a hill. I don't know how long they did that for I don't think they did that. One maybe three or four years and I always preferred it down the beach. I never understood why they moved uptown town. Yeah I don't know and then back on the Beach Napa ears. For what did they have at this here. Missile Awesome crime. Somebody had a story about it with a Tom. Our friend Tom Mr White Rock. I forget if I asked him about like he missed. Oh you missed it. He got down there and ran into someone. We we know and yeah knows over an hour we that's supposed to be the torchlight braid but it was still. It was at seven pm the summer stitches like you you know. Of course it's still sunny. Bright Lights right and so much torture rape it's still light out. Yeah it's still the torchlight. Maybe they couldn't afford. I don't know I I don't know I haven't lived there years. Yes no I realise that now. So do we like this. Drink the Palm Beach Special. I wouldn't order it again. No I don't think I would order it again. What's the problem it's it's neither here nor there? Yeah it's not very distinctive. I think it's just kind of mutates like a cocktail and yet that's about it. Yeah the overriding thing too is now. I get this orange in my head and you ever had that Orange Italian Orange Soda and you think you're going to tell you the same co green here bitter at the Palm Beach Special. Yes sorry Dr Cocktail and I'm afraid we're not sold on the Ball Beach Beach beach much swamp even with the Finger Finger Mansion Mansion. Yeah let's say to begin with. I think you said it sounds a little bit more certain up when you and I were in for. I seem to recall us. Coming our we have to come back to Orlando to catch her deflate home. And we're coming around the superbowl a loop. I think we ought to shuttle me from the rental place or something to take us to the I guess so then we got. We ended up on a little monorail thing to that. took it to the right. I seem to recall looking out. And there's a little low waterway you said. Look there's an alligator. Wow I couldn't see I didn't see you saw apparently saw the alligator in ditch by the ditch. The those we have. I mean we fear rats but at least rats are GonNa Leave Ya. Lo I think does go into the ditch and there's an alligator your dinner. Let's frank on the way to the airport. You get eaten by alligator. I guess their defense in my memory we were unlike a monorail train type thing that was us to the airport to weaver safe and it must have been a road but I don't think they were encouraging you get on the road anyway. No it was just a road apple so but yeah sometimes I mean I'm always aware of it but the fact at the United States when you think of the northern states when you think badly Ordinary York City or Los Angeles or the desert warned the Grand Canyon or the Any of those scenic wonders of the United States. You never think at any point that there's going to be allocators no and yet there's a lot of alligators got alligators in Florida. Boorda new New Orleans the gators on the swaps. I don't know I guess. So because of the where's the manatees. Live are the manatees also admirals in Florida. Yeah 'cause they seem so soft and gentle like didn't even have now and then you gotta think that's all mouth and they lived together together. We're but yeah because I as a kid of course every jungle movie had an alligator or crocodile. So that's what it is in my head not not all the way to the airport and floor and you see on the news. Somebody woke I was going to go for a swim in the swimming pool. And there's an alligator swimming pool for some reason. Yeah what's it doing in their out of the travel there as well no crazy. The guys who specialize in retrieving alligators for stories alligator your pool. You call these guys. They come over and they got whatever their rope or however you catch alligators. They've got that kind of whip Steve Urban. You have to leave on their on their Mac. burlap sack over their head. Yeah they just go quiet. The Stephen Job that nor- McDonnell Maine's yeah. How old was Steve? Irwin forty three. That's pretty long life. You're jumping on the back of crocodiles very good weapon except the but yeah. Yeah that would be funny to have that business to know that every time your phone rings you may be facing life and death situation. Ration- mandate how did it begin a call. The guy says do you Do Clean Pools where the alligator people say. Oh sorry no. They're calling you because you're the alligator removal people. Yeah Wow are the endangered. But he made. I just shoot a little pool the but the Arctic. I guess I guess you could Yeah Fella Gates. I don't think they're in danger. Seem to be always Radnich. We saw the no little pool water by the Rhode seemed to be quite hardy and then there was an awful thing Disneyland or Disney World Right. Let's get a little a little kid. Little toddler was like on the deck of the restaurant. There's alligators except swimming around right right there by the deck Google League gotten grab. The kid didn't eat the kid but kick draft because it took uh-huh underwater and somebody said you know this probably alligators restaurant defense of some remember. That's you're gonNA use commonsense alligators. They'll take advantage remember when we were walking through the hotel to the downtown Disney area and they had such lush grass because it was so. Yeah I remember the grasping very sick means the blades were thicker. Yeah afraid to touch it and who knows what could have been looking at exactly and Florida dangerous place very dangerous. Well we're going to move on to cocktail number to do at this. One involves a little bit. I went to my garden before I left the House got springs of mint. Yeah well there's still an it's November. And they're still growing. It's very hard in fact it's coming up in my lawn. Now that's going to replace grams hoping yeah I bring to springs. I thought springs. I don't know I have two springs. Brick still hearing the in So you can have the smaller sprague in. Yeah so metal glass and so with our theme in grapefruit juice for moving on to the he has a space element to it. Astle being a review of headed here since seventy seven in ancient Middle Eastern mythology. Well that's pretty broad Middle Eastern mythology like it's all one culture there so anyways in ancient Middle Eastern mythology each planet then known in our solar system mercury Venus Mars Jupiter and Saturn plus the sun. The moon were collectively known as the seven heavenly objects upon death the soul of believers said to float up into the sky encountering each each heavenly waystation intern on way to the outermost one Saturn seventh. Heaven Wow there you go. Of course you don't want to illustrate mellish place. Huge lightning storms thousand mile an hour winds snow. No Heaven at all. No it sounds like how it's suddenly Gal and I guess they're saying that you'd have to stop at Jupiter. I if you survived the Jupiter Jupiter is even word man. Even further from the science wasn't even cold. Did you see an answer by Joe that the red dot is shrinking. That's right the red. The red storm the abuse red dot the flips around Jupiter shrinking. They don't know they don't know why but it's getting smarr Mar eventually. It'll and it's a storm slaps at eight hundred years. Yeah we're on video. I guess as long as we've been able to see Jupiter it's been it's been there and so we thought it was perennial. Anyhow we're going to witness the snuff All right well the seventh heaven and give you ingredients here Jason so one and three quarter ounces of gin I mean get that right now I brought it back up. Small cocktail Shaker stood up. The camera can hear the camera sound one and the three quarter ounces of gin done happen else. MIRA scheme cure to call it a lucky break. I brought some of it alive. Your Luck Sarda Right. Yes Good Luck Sato. Mariscal the cure. What colors drinks? Oh It's white in the picture but grapefruit juice and and then you need a just a quarter ounce group fruit juice. We accordance mind that I bought the leaders of it. Yeah you can make yourself some of the this drink turns to be good that he got something you can make tonight for before dinner. You're before dinner drink yes. I'll break up stuff too much blow metal roofs. You really gross. And that's a lot of your better part it. They don't want to get the portions the command some lovely ice gonNA shake it. Yes my tiniest cocktail Shaker. I heard neighbor used cocktail Shaker. I thought I'm going to bring it out today because I don't want to have to rinse what's that other one out. We don't have Fred to do her bidding be very good at DOC. Stand up to do the same thing on stage. It was shot near for you to have and this looks pretty good. It's quite quite. ooh very similar to the wider. I think yeah but I think what does he have a break in the picture to governments are going to put US little one in your little sample one and I'll give it one of these open some mint up a little bit and then I'll do the same thing. I guess I'll just use the rest of it for Mine Mint SPRIG. Oh here lovely. Yeah now this looks Nice. This looks like up like a cocktail that you would serve the elderly lady. Yeah well seventh. Heaven is on her way to Saturn. Yeah I that man can certainly smell them in from here really did did it. All right lack there. Yeah I'm looking looking forward to this one so we got. We got great fruit and we got married Keana Okay and then in those lament. It's it smells fresh. It smells spring. Link Doc choose to you. Sure Mrs. Oh well wow that's a whole other thing. That's Kinda neat. I've got my like it but I like it it. It's sweet yeah. It's Ginny Ginny. It's I guess the Mayor Scheme must give it a little bit of a little bit of body I think because it seems to be a little thicker when you pour that lazardo stuff Against the gut the faint taste of chocolate in their the reason. I don't know maybe. It's a cherry flavor profiles of similar. But I don't know gonNA write some notes of dark truckload sometimes wonder if doing this cocktail podcast for all these many years hasn't connected connected bunch of flavors in our head. That aren't really there that makes sense to go on. It tastes like that and that means it's usually that usually that so now I taste Bassein. We have Phantom Untung Syndrome. We have Phantom Syndrome. The snot there but it is there. Oh my God your brain thinks there. I knew one day we would have phantom tongue syndrome. And that's why we're not doing the show anymore. So if you WANNA get a request him new you got like three months Maybe maybe probably two months five months that might be too long might Baotou lives. We might be pulling the plug on this thing. Sooner than that. Fred Fred knows quote Michelin does now listen to the show. I was hoping to break the news through the narrow heck's production meeting no no johnny spoiler the edits at some of his podcast. Take for the key but yeah so I do like it better than the Palm Beach. Yes us but not a lot. I would not this one either. No this is not a keeper now but like I say I don't know if it's me being jaded but the more cocktails have your Jason Hope. Sorry I used to be jaded more cocktails. Have the MARDI. Just start to taste like the same and I'm not a fan of them anymore. That's why we're not showing of cocktails it. That's so sad to happen like that. No that's just like whatever Rasmin back in the eighty S. When I was taken him sounded? I think it's great again. Three according studio make with musicians mixing music and stuff like wow. That's really neat. But then you realize when you do you hear the same fucking Song Eight Hundred Times in tennis like Oh God I WanNa go all that it kind of ruined music for me for a while because it was like. I don't really WanNa do this work and so I didn't right I got I was just so sick in the same song over and over and over. You know unless you have to. Do you have to change things up. And that's funny. I never even thought about that. So would would this be during the recording as well or just when you're fine tuning of as the engineer will the both both I know you. It's already okay. Let's do Qatar Solo again for the twelfth time God then the bag would come in and the newest. Let's just bump that what we did it with this up a little bit more. Magnus I I gotTa Outta here with this new Congress and it's funny because I think the happened one of the sun and the guy was living in the studio. There's like a cyber I live. I don't think it was licensed as an actual living quarters. It other no one's told Bullfrog frog recording studio Broadway home and it was like damn basement. It's like I don't know if that was his office. This is beyond a bunch of Conga drums in their go get. That's his name on his door. Bring Your Gordon Session. The Oh that's yeah I know exactly right. That's what it would be like this Olympic closets you you could you know very strange. Yeah I mean even because I bought that Beatles white album big box right and it's got the new remix one thing and then it's got the the all of the demo was recorded at George Place in Esher right. And then they got doc sessions and I haven't listened to the session sessions but that's interesting enough but I never really put myself on the phone or even with the sergeant pepper thing right. There's some guy. Hi there middle of the night from the Beatles a lot of work that's eighty. God I think he we got it all on the line of my back fine. John's lying on his back from homeless in June. Nobody wants T- poor jers Martin. Yeah I remember that he stuck with then continued to do it right so he must have had a huge pain taller thing lost his hearing. Here the get Assen Giles to be. Maybe maybe it was self inflicted deafness could be more now. People keep coming to me. Yeah yeah well. That's similar to me when I wanted to be an animator too because you see the final product and you see the first picture drawn. You don't think of the other twenty thousand drawings that you after drivers slightly different than the first one US film this. The computers do this the drudgery. I just do the fun stuff. Life is full of drudgery. Oh Yeah even when you think that it's not did you go to be not just ask because I drove past it yesterday. Did you attend two courses. I did take some courses as a nice facility money. Yeah using old equipment. I mean this is of course back in the eighties. I don't know what they after now but I think survived on whatever you know. TV Station donated whatever they had all right. That's a good point handouts. Yeah Yeah Check Turban. BBC TV got their new stuff. Yeah all Saddam bill junk television sort of on its way out so I oh you know that but I guess they still have their teeth. There used to be the place to go if you wanted to career in television. Yeah and I guess it probably still is a gas. There's so much competing media. Let's audiovisuals though. I don't know I took. Of course your cousin John John Demon yes longtime listener one time that's never heard an episode of a show but Yeah I took some percent. Yeah driving past it and Jennifer leftover at it and she says that she's got to get a new logo submit their logo which is really boring. Then the Blue Square with cit just in it the same font but the old one used to have our it was either sort of italicized. Yeah those little bleak Waco and swimming was dotted on. Like one of the letters was being there was is an element to it. I thought that was recognizable. Brand thing this was just sort of you know how Mountain Equipment Co op is see. And it's nothing fancy. Imagine that on blue but of course it's like any other campus all the building. They're different ages. Yeah notes to cobble together the other and she glanced over to one of the old buildings but is that the many faculty buildings VIP VIP and then we came from the other way and there was an old house in the middle of it like an old wooden house. And I thought that was probably like when I went to you they still have the called held the shacks which all the original little cabins. That used to be classrooms. When you be back in the nineteen twenties it was also a Hudson's Bay for it and treaty host like like they call them shacks the shack as they're all gone now Downer Surrey every sorry everybody the White Rock you can't force a reminiscence of white rock? Yes those cocktails like but gas disciplined elect them better than last gas cocktail. Sarah Thousand Times better than the last one and this one here is ten times the Park Avenue era. No the part of the part of Palm Beach Palm Beach Special. Yeah seven heaven this makes me I. It's funny that they would think when when lemoine invented they think thirty s or forty. It doesn't really say but I should. We should know that if you were to substitute take take up the grapefruit juice and put lemon juice. It would be the Chicago which we did right way back on episode six we get the we were old enough to drink mouth legal back then but really seem proportions. I believe the same proportions although when I was reading or Blunt Olympus we added a stash of Creme Yvette. Do megyn probably be this book somewhere somewhere yeah. I don't know where it would make sense here. Nancy my kids. That would have been interesting to aviation and this the more I have it the more I do kind of like it I think I I've I've realized okay. Sorry going okay so the aviation looks pretty similar. Two and a half ounces of Gin Omar Jen. I can't last up. Close three quarters of an ounce of fresh lemon juice in two or three dashes of the mayoress Keno The Cure. Okay so a similar the Asian. And then does he say mentioned the Creme Yvette or they just use it because we were looking at the half a bottle of it. I don't see him mentioning that. And of course if you add rum this drink becomes the left. Laura Dita dockery which is AH. I don't think we think we've made that. Well maybe next. We're GONNA do the fender bender. The big slushing. AC drink slashed it although we might have because we got our blender thing that we sometimes bring along for you the loyal listeners New Year people operating heavy heavy machinery on them on a microphone. So it's it's two ounces rum juice of half line one teaspoon sugar sugar syrup and one teaspoon of Marie Curie blend blend with crushed ice service saucer calculus champagne glass so this is a fine book in this and it has also great example of how all these drinks are fundamentally uh-huh basically spirit some sort of citrus and down maybe some bidders third ingredient could be bidders and look here so bizarre yeah. That's IT folks Jim. I recall a quick uh-huh and all that does in the end. It might make you a little bit more verbose and or sleepy and or angry and probably dizzy huckle unpredictable. Never know that's how you're going to get out of it. That's why our new podcast will be all about pills pig-farming lots of money so they're going to sponsorship brought to you by Glaxo ACI burke line or whatever it is being the glaxo I got an email the other day from Glaxo No from my uncle Jack on your Uncle Jack of the show show. Yeah I haven't looked at it yet because it's not at work consensus then. I've been on wrong devices sometimes crash when I open pictures. But he's an Oswal really those little Norway. Yeah what's he doing there. Well I think my alkyl bill is doing something there. He's going to be teaching their law for a year six months or a period of time. Your uncle bill yeah. He's a lawyer. Yeah I know that I don't know apparently not made that. I knew and I forgot you. The slandered to be co bill teaching and Oslo or at least a Norway uh-huh but I didn't know Uncle Jack was going over. I mean why not if you if you had a connection and you could stay with in fact has to meet a culture what it kind. Yeah Nauruans hellishly expensive stave somewhere for free. I get along good. Yeah I'm a nice guy. He's a nice guy. Were Easy Choline. No phone call. No I guess his defense. I did say that I was hoping that there are some way that I could get it At Japan trip organised. I didn't know how I was going to get the little woman to go But I would love to go to Japan really. And what does the lure of Japan mm for you embarrassingly on the surface. I WanNa see those Disney parks in Tokyo right but so much other. It's just so odd to my way of. Did you hear that. They know what they know what I'm talking about I. I shouldn't say odd but it is going on in that it looked so vastly different from here. It's so similar but have you looked at many pictures of Japan that aren't Mount Fuji scenery pictures disliking buildings. They're always certainly the reader streets crammed with pedestrians or they're totally empty. Streets streets and the architecture is the son of sort of weird wooden structure. But of course it's not Victorian it's not like we're used to houses be sear bamboo either that but even newer the Nazi Somewhere between be rice paper walls and modern balls and and and this in the cities The this this alleyway restaurant culture the shrines the the traditions the cleanliness. I know there's just a whole bunch of stuff about Japan that interests me and I think it's just so completely different like you go to Europe and of course Europe is beautiful in different but I almost feel like I'm European Meraz. I do not feel like Japanese shape for four. It would almost be a nightmare. Perhaps this just navigating your way round because completely different blanchard completely different. There's no frame of reference right. There's nothing you can rely as you go to France. Well he may be cobble together. Some of the words of what they mean equivalent in English. None of that you know my uncle bill has traveled extensively and my uncle jackets only gone once but he was there for a period of time and he said that a lot of interesting stuff and just pretty locations and just think Japan Emma cool plus the Disney parks. Don't give Disney see. I would like to see. How many birds are there just to to just the two now one in Tokyo? They're both next week okay. So as Tokyo Disneyland inches the castles like the Florida. One right right. It's not like the Disneyland. One is the bigger version. If it's laid out a little bit differently and then Tokyo Disney Sea is sort of what they were going to build a Long Beach California before California's decided. Oh we don't like the Disney company whatsoever and McKay botched at those going to be quite as cool as Disney. I don't think those parks in Japan no license due to the the the real land company or organization and they Pump a lot of money in there and they don't cut corners which unfortunately fortunately the American Disney parks do become a big plan and then they say did they have to have all of those trees I guess not. They have to have all of those. That doesn't have to be there and if you're going to do that that's going to be bad. They don't do that in Japan. They go all in for them broadcast Japan. A few and I couldn't maybe but yeah Jackson Oslo to see a picture of he sent four pictures of this. I think it was a Groupie mail. I don't think it was just to me. It was uncle Jack. I'm sorry I have read it yet. I assumed it was a group family. Email that I was seated on C. Writer. No I'd love to got Norway. Got The beautiful victory called Stave Churches whether these big huge churches. But they're made of wood built in the Medieval Times as you can imagine because there would most of them burnt down He's like twelve left but they're huge. Judge were neat speaking great architectural Japan. These are great architecture really complex would beautiful detailed would churches. That's Checker when you go to Norway Norway. Okay but don't smoke. They don't want to burn them now. That be embarrassing. Yeah There's eleven stave churches now thanks to middle alleges that what he's GonNa build in the middle of the Middle Ages your thousand to fourteen eighteen hundred six fifteen hundred just before the renaissance kind of I think so okay. I'll meet so would have been. After the Viking air so broke broke their Christian churches they converted to Christianity. They're still pagans I think that's probably what killed the lady. Culture was converted to the Crystal Zoom Their Lutheran. Oneidas back then they would have been Catholic because the reformation and ABC yet so they would Catholic churches I guess brand. And then they converted became Lutheran assume lap the Orthodox docs the ship. All right. Well anything else dad. These are just two mediocre cocktails. Better the last ones we did. That's right but if you want to get together with friends and try a couple of cocktails then talk about the churches of Oslo uh-huh and questioned on Norway's neutrality. During the second world part the perfect they weren't neutral you're invaded or that. Yeah the Nazis invaded controlled. It Sweden was neutral okay. Switzerland of course be neutral. It drunk I that Norway was neutral zone. They reconquered you. Were coming down Sweden Away with. I never understood that Switzerland. Why not in this and people say okay so invades we're neutral Poland? Ed Originally says new Jer- new coming in here. Yeah even the Second World War good question. Yeah my my special segment segment called. What if David I explore alternate routes streets? podcast I am so good. Thank you so much for asking. Yes so there you go. That's sir episode. Ninety another one on the can download the mall. Fred will be back for the next one. We're sure we think it's the fender homeless right the fender bender and gives. But don't hold your breath of that folks have to cease because there's an ingredient. We need for the fender bender under French. We don't have in our hot little hands yet. Sinar it the smell Sinar orbits boat senior. It could be that or it could be it could be Chinar could be something like a roof. Sounds like an alien species movie. The kind we're invaded by the KYW Nour's Rotarians in Italy C. H. is not show it to seize is at key at sea at scene. I knew how to pronounce it at one point. And it's got an art show on the on the label of the puddle. But it's not like it's green artichoke flavor. So artichoke cure. I know but it isn't out of chocolate here. No but but it was not means is probably the same way that this Lazaro a perfectly clear Thing is made out of cheer. Jerry this is somehow artichoke and use the distilling process but alcohol been flavored. So we're we're looking forward to more dreadful tasting stay tuned for the fender bender and the Gibson. Because we're we're doing the guitar episodes guitar and you're GonNa Avid Performance Guitar. Not Performing you should now. I don't have to have offender base exact acoustic bass people. People Love Basil. Oh surely do a regular John but if I do play bass on the show yes I expect to be rewarded. Oh of course 'cause like a server in a bar you you you you reward award them for their service. How do you do that injuries? You reach deep into your pockets. You looking right at me. I throw down there. You're Ooh I should have just said you tipped big. Yeah UH.

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Bruce Bowen

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Bruce Bowen

"The. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. Listen on the ESPN app podcast wherever podcast. We appreciate a raise review gives five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to think that you are a hater. We got I guess this week. He is not a hater fag. Man. You've been hanging around Bristol, Connecticut a little bit Bruce bone was going, oh man met, you know, you know, always got some say about something when something happened. And I I liked I liked the podcast vied. But I mean, but money on a new level, man. You want you want another level? I mean, you can't come in with a new level almost to, you know, get a little gift from rockets nece out there just say you start man, you you provide to energy for us here. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to come out here. Mix it up we need a mixed up. We'll get to make the knit. I got my DJ headphones on oh man gave if he wants to get to mix and should we go straight to the mix? I feel like we should go straight to the mixing. Here's some mixing. We didn't get to talk to you about this last time. We had you on the show because you had emergency source. Okay. I think koalas doing there with Toronto. Raptors no man, come on is is easy to see that his talent level. He's healthy. He is think a five talent in this game. What he's been able to do. There has been the things that Fantoni Spurs envisioned in. So when you look at the success of that that crew right now and then with Siachen, but we'll get we'll get further into him a little bit. But what what quite brings to the table is the guy that's that. That's long rangy. And and I can't say this enough. That's a complete basketball player. I can't stand. What people say, oh, he's a two way player. This is not football. You know, what you play offense and defense you call those two way players know, this is basketball. And he's having a chance under so much scrutiny to be able to now go out and play in the process of going out and playing you see what it is with him. And that's why you get a lot of players. You know, you saw. Okay. These little deal his rent on reporter because players wanna play. But at the same time you have a nation's as well. And so his obligation. Now Toronto is to make sure that they represent the east coming out this year, no longer just winning the eastern or into the Eastern Conference finals is about his ability to make others better around him with turns into wins. And that's what you see with the Toronto. Raptors right now wonder about him because I mean, I was aware this summer, and I met these two dudes, and they were explaining to me that they work with y in some way, and it become the most fascinating thing because we don't, you know, most of us don't know anything about him at. All right. It wouldn't even like informations like. So tell me about that, dude. Like tell me what he's like. 'cause I don't know anything about him last year in the way, a win was also weird because it's like, yeah. We don't really know anything about this, dude, accept this drama. And we still don't know anything about this, dude. Did you think that the move would go as well for him as it had no one like more about him than we do? I didn't ever the move was going to as far as him playing at this level right now. That's not surprising to me because he is an individual that learn how to become a better player here in San Antonio learning the different things when it comes to the whole process of complete player. Now, you he is a guy that is very to himself. This is someone back in in back in California during the summer after the championship. He's putting his work in. He's understanding. I think how to become a better professional and the work it takes. So during the time. Now, they have this thing that wherever you're from. You can take the NBA trophy there and take it to your camp and allow people to take photos with his trophy sadness house for I think six of the seven days it was there. He's not concerned with the other things going on around the game. Like that his concern is how can I be better? And that's something that people take for granted in his quietness. Is that, you know, especially in today's society, Twitter, you know, social media and guys being able to do certain things we we've seen the kind of change where guys wanted all that limelight to now, you still have some of those rare commodities, and the fact that he doesn't care about that. He could care less about all the other all the other stuff all the extra stuff. And so you have someone like that a lot of times people speak for them. And that's what you're getting. You know, the way things went hit here in San Antonio's. Very unfortunate. Because all the things that were said it as far as, you know, the competence of the doctors, you know, how organizations treating him it was unfortunate from the standpoint we're talking about a storied organization that has been known for doing things in a different way been known for doing things in a way where now the league is starting to catch up to what they've been doing for years. Now, you see guys resting whereas before nobody ever said that nobody ever did that how dare you sit that player down right now you trying to win games. Well, they're gonna nation here sauce something different than that saying, hey, if I am able to strategically rest this guy different points or different moments of the season that will save us for the play offs and possibly the finals. So when you have that and you have a player like why Linter everything was set up for Kawai here. The fact that. You're building around quite like you build around David like built around Tim Duncan. This organization knows how to handle those types of individuals. So to hear those types of things come out and say that they're neglecting him so to speak that was unfortunate because I know this organization to be an organization that's top nuts that is very much concerned about the welfare and the well being of his players, especially their superstar. Now, bent to wrapped his part of it just because why has been I mean, like he is that superstar caliber type of player to question for me has been just what they have actual number two type of dude over there next to them. This yakim went up and put a forty four points. And I didn't know that was possible to be honest. I'm see this is the beauty about what Masais doing in Toronto. He had a meeting, and I find it hilarious that you know, now. Cow Lowry is a business relationship. You know, like come on, man. No what's going on. Now is the organization there said, you know, in order for us to continue to develop a lot of these young. We have they have to be able to shoot the ball. They have to be able to test the ball. There's a time with D'amoto Rosen was there that the Mara to his shots. But you also have to point guard taking the town of shots. You cannot get a feel for the game. If you're a wing player if the point are is taking a ton of shots as well. So what did they do this year? Let's work on getting off the ball. And that's what they're doing. That's the huge difference for the Toronto Raptors this year that they have this star player in Cooper who wants to prove to people that he is a star. And now, you got a point guard now who's averaging over ten assist the game because that's been the focus. Hey, I want you to run the team. I don't want you taking a lot of shots. Not that you can't still take your get at least ten shots a game. But now, let's keep it around that instead of maybe twenty shots when you have those nights where you go three for twenty or five fifteen it's one of those things where as a player you develop rhythms. And when that ball is moving especially from the point guard, it it just changes everything. Now, others are involved in. Now, you know van fleet is able to come in and give him a rest and recognize his spots moments where he can operate. You know, the fact that now cholera is asked to do the things that he did when he is Villanova is something it's like riding a bike. You can still do it. But this is for the success of the team. Now, you have a player as far as lenders concerned that you can you can play him in a variety of ways, he can shoot the three he can create he can post up, but the biggest issue. View is that he can post up and pass out of that double team where now he's getting other guys involved. And that's why you see a player life like yakking getting. I mean, he's he's brought another level of energy where now teams are not just saying all we have to do is stop co I, you know, Serge Ibaka still serve thing guys. He's still a solid piece to the whole process what they're doing. So now, you got more ball movement. You got better defense going on and you got link there. Those are those are intangibles right there that if you have those situations taking place during the course of the game nine times out of ten you put yourself in position to win. Looking at ease because eases a lot, man. What do you think about the idea that kyri that the Celtics actually might be better without carry on the floor with him? I think is hogwash. Do they realize curry was on the floor with Brian James against Golden State? And he hit a huge shot. You know, this is this is the I think the biggest issue that has gone on with the Celtics is that guys have not I repeat guys have not accepted their roles. See during the course of last season. There was there is nothing. They can do about it. You knew that. Hey, Gordon was gone. You knew that kyri was out. So it was a it was a mantra. Hey, less all pitching in this and do it together with they did was supposed to. But now once you come back. Things have to change. They have the change from the standpoint that you know, what they're going to incorporate Gordon Hayward they're going to incorporate kyri careers doing fantastic job of the being who he is. Now, it's up to guys not to fight that and say, well, I want to do that. This is where it comes about the acceptance of your role. Okay. Last season last season, you built up a lot there. But everybody can't continue to have that kind of season when Correa's back in the fold win. Gordon? Hey was back in full. There are certain guys on the floor that you want to take more shots than others. Because that's who they are. That's what they're paid to do. There's no way that the Boston Celtics are better without kyri as compared to be with him. Yes. You think always thought about the this year's that ain't has been stockpiling these assets to make the big move that at some point. I guess one day he's actually going to make. But they ignored that you just got these are also people, and you got them all set up on that roster. And it looked around. And everybody is like a man, I'm mortgage. Moore's I'm on a contract year. For example. I'm Jason Tatum. I was killed in the playoffs last year. Jaylen Brown same way. So I'm expected to a little bit more. I'm going Hayward. I'm just coming back. And they looked at Brad Stevens over like figures out the luck. And I think one of the hardest things to do Lonnie is to be able to tell those that are telling those players that hold on pump you break break. I got I got a job to do here. And this is something I think a lot of players don't they don't do this because nobody wants to and and that is to to silence. The noise around you saw the noise around you and do what you can as far as what's best for that ball club communicate with coach don't leave after communicating with the coach and talk to your boards your partners. And then like, yeah, man, you need to be doing this or you need. They don't have a clue of what Brad Stevens has gone on in his head. So it is your job to. Play to the best year -bility, and whether you get traded or not that's part of the game that that is one of the biggest things that I find so interesting today is how sensitive we are to the process of being traded or how sensitive we are to wanting our feelings understood when it comes to the players perspective. See before you got traded you just moved on and just play. Now, you got guys feeling like they have the right and that they're being treated unfairly. I don't think it's about treatment being unfair. You knew when you sign that contract for let's say fifteen million dollars. You were happy as a clam. Now. What what also is stated in that contract that you can't be traded sometime tracks got a fifteen percent bonus. So when you get traded, you actually get more money. So let's take that asp. -pect out of things where the guys are getting into the feeling so much because you know, they feel like, oh, you know, shame on them. I'm I'm not a piece of meat. Oh, you're not a piece of me finish. Dane, you you wide goo beef right now because of what you're making. And this is a part of the description of your job. Yeah. I am interested in the way that people receive the idea of being traded or like the personal nature of what it is that. I did it. Nobody wants to be told. Hey, man, we don't want you to work here anymore. But it does apprise me how hard it his a lot of dudes. Well, because this this is the deal some some institutions some organizations, they promote family and so on a family atmosphere. It's all love. But this is the flip side of it, Bomani. Is that you know, some guys they just tell me the truth. If they told you the truth, maybe some guys when play is hard because that has happened. So if you know that. This is a by product of things. The only thing you can do is play best to be who you are. And to deal with things that way, I remember I was in Philadelphia. I got traded. I was part of I was throw in because I didn't get off the bench, except you know, to to make sure I can even out in certain areas. So sometimes I said the middle. Sometimes I said at the end, but the deal was I was going to Chicago Chicago was then going to wave me. And then I was going to come back to Philadelphia. What ended up happening was I was in Philadelphia on a date grabbing dinner, and my mom calls me on my cell phone. And she says, why didn't you tell us tell you? What Terry tell us that you've been traded back to Miami. And I said oh wow back to Miami. Now, my thought process was this. Well, how did that have when I was supposed to stay here. Man, come to find out that the Tina trays they cannot claim you until you clear waivers. So for one day Miami Heat. We're in second place, the two teams put a claim in for me where the Knicks and the heat the heat one out because next happened to be above him that one day, but for me it was an opportunity to go back to Miami. And having opportunity to compete and win. Now in Philly. I wasn't playing a lot. Now, you take a star player who is being traded or guy who's all of a sudden unhappy with organization, or what have you, but they go somewhere, and at some point you're going to be looked at if you keep if you're not happy anywhere, you go people going to start saying, well, it has more to do with that individual and a lot less to do with the confines of NBA and the structure and being traded or not. And like Boston. I guess their whole rosters gotta half oil in the block though that was they were the legs to half. The roster is somebody waking up like how many guys we say? Between those teams we know are going to be on those rosters next year and ask the business aspect this. It's about winning. And when what happens is, you know, how many guys are comfortable with being. Told or comfortable accepting that they are not the player that they think they are how many guys, you know, would understand the fact that if you got a chance to get a talent like Anthony Davis. Yeah. You might be included in this trait. And it's not personal. It's not that. They don't like you. They just realized that your skills that isn't is not as valuable as a player like Anthony Davis a player. Like why letter it just so happens that in order to get that piece to help him get over the hump? You were included. I think the more that guys can understand that. It's not about a personal vendetta is not about taking it to heart so to speak. It's about that other team feeling like they can get better and get to the championship with that guy. And you're just a byproduct individuals. Habits Matt's money, or what have you in order to allow that to happen? And it's just something you have to deal with you have to live with everybody is expendable except those with no trade clause. You know, like, I didn't really think with the Lakers that that was gonna wind up being some huge long run thing that are not get over also thought it was funny to people like LeBron try to trade the whole team. And I'm like do they tried to get Anthony Davis? If it wasn't LeBron if it is LeBron somebody was going to be drawn to trade all the all, right. And and this is the thing about young players. See young players that have spent a year in college. They have no clue about the business of things quite like that. And you look at that roster. There's a lot of one and done on that team. So because of that they don't understand that they've never been anywhere long enough to be able to understand that or see the way the business works from that standpoint or being involved in when you can get a player once in once in a lifetime, kind of athlete or kind of player that. Anthony Davis is yes, you're going to have to give up a lot of assets in order to attain that. So even though, you know, these things they transpire, and they go on again, it goes back to the player being able to understand that this is not something that at should stone that you're going to be here forever. They have to be able to understand that this. This is part of the game. This is what happens in real life. I guess the other thing to those those guys, especially if you're like an Ingram or Lonzo ball somebody when you get there. They tell you that you are the centerpiece future, we will build this thing around you, then they're like, well, actually, you know, what you kinda didn't turn out to be as good as we thought. So we need to go get Anthony. Davis four Bomani. It could be you are the center piece for us you you're our future. And then you get an opportunity to get Davis. Things changed in you know. And that's it's. Everybody loves the deal everybody. I've I've heard many players talk about certain situations that have transpired where they ended up getting a great deal on a house or a great deal somewhere else it whereas they were looking at a condo at one point near the water in. And they said, I want some acres and all of a sudden some becomes available. They go for what's available as compared to what they had at first. What they thought was. Okay. Because the niece changed or the opportunities changed for them to be happier or better. So in this case, you got an opportunity for team to be better. They're gonna go after that. And I think if there's anything that can be learned from this as for younger players to understand that hey, you can be traded. You can be a part of it or you can be one of those individuals that are Seaver of something. So don't get so caught up right now on right here right now older players. Pick-me-up? Remember, you say to me young fellow it until you sign that that contract, you know, then then you can start to kind of settle down. But not settle down completely because you never know what might happen. So I had as we call the O'hare telling me that. But what you have to you don't have any over his in the game. You got you got guys at a two or three years older than you who looking at just to say like man, man, man, you hear the rumors? And that's something else that goes on. We got a society that so much that dwell on the social media, but they're reading everything. And you know, I remember coastal one time say, you shouldn't read those things people write about you. Because at some point you're going to start paying attention to it another point you're going to start thinking, that's who you are when things are good. But what you have to understand is that reporters have a job their job is to print what they see their job is to print. What they here as far as the coaches are concerned and what they're telling them. So when you see something that's not as as beautiful written about you. Because you snuck it up in a game. The first thing we start doing is going emotional roller coasters. Sometimes it's best for you to leave it alone and be able to focus on the craft of you being better or getting better. And if it's not here it can be somewhere else. I gotta say it is though, I know you wouldn't read too much about what we was out here saying about you. You clearly didn't give we had say about you. My name was this. Okay, necks. I'm forty. I'm forty seven years old money. You know, I should I should be able to be able to receive some of the things that that folks that I that I was in the trenches with. You know that make no one sane sometimes that mistrial. He'll now. Say, you know, like, you know, what we were saying about you know, what you did. You just kept doing it all doing it. You might go make us stop you. Because you know, I gotta feel you know, you just trigger something you have that ability to trigger things, and I immediately go to I go to what. My therapist says Bruce sticks and stones may break your balls. But names, they heard a little so I gotta be able to forgive you for that. But you didn't know any better Beaumont. Oh. Better. All about of just say, so people made the decision that you know, what y'all just gonna say these things about me. They may even be right on kicking it show. Kick it cause I ain't tripping Linda fire. I know what you say. I ain't Trivet. I been at one today. But in all seriousness, I think and this is that by moment, if you're trying to appease others or what they're saying, you can't control that. Because what I've learned is that everybody has a perspective. And you may not see it the way I do because I'm the player, and you my see say something that that might have been me, but you had no intentions of offending me. So I think as we continue to be able to try and respect what someone is doing or what they're saying. And not look at it. As poor me. Poor me. I mean, we got we're sensitive culture, Bomani stress, the athletes, we're sensitive because we work so hard at our craft, and we want our craft to be appreciated, and sometimes when people are saying certain things, it doesn't sound like appreciate is sounds like you trying to get onto my skin by singing that song by scape. Jus-? Kicking. Just say, hey, kick up shoes. You know, but the social media stuff like we have about this before just about like the effect in particularly that this is having an athletics. And I think that something that happens when people give visible that people don't think so much about is you have access to something that people kinda think they want but really refer to have with us. What people say about you? When you're not around like your life is probably better not hearing, the things that people say about you were in our more importantly, though, the money, you you continue to process of working on whatever it is that you're doing if you're not paying attention to what others are saying when you get caught up with your constantly looking or or or or trying to hear something that doesn't necessarily even what's your name of all doesn't concern you that way when you're constantly doing that. Now, you, you know, longer spending time on the crap getting better just imagine that Lonzo ball was was was was really working on. The fundamentals of of different things when it comes to helping the Lakers or anybody distracting, and I love what Magic Johnson said, you know in Philadelphia's. Hey, y'all y'all treating these y'all treat them like babies, this is and this is the truth. I James Brown said this I will not change. But this is the reality of these are men men playing a game that they're being paid to play who are criticized for their play. Now is not the time for you to get all in your feelings because of the rumors and things like that. And let me say this, Bomani, you know, when have you ever heard of a big trade happening that was going through the media, right? When's the last time you heard of a big deal taking place through the media? You I can't think of one, but the deals that we heard like, you know, and I'm going I'm going back. But when a I goes to Denver, you didn't hear that through the media weeks leading up to it. It was done behind closed doors. It was worked out behind closed doors. It wasn't allowed to catch fire and the media frenzy that it did because that's the way you conduct business. It's not about utilizing the media or doing it through the media. It's about doing it behind closed doors with your your visitation with that organization. You guys taking care of things and not allowing anything to get out. You know, that was the one that was the bad side on this trade is that once it went there like I f Dave's people don't bring it out in public unless everything they tried to improv. It didn't work that winds up being the last gas. I thought it was interesting too, though, that the way that magic handled that 'cause magic did absolutely mad did not come up there to make people feel better. He came up there to answer questions. Exactly. And and I think you know, that needs to be, you know, a highlighted in. This is that this is magic getting back or I should say do Lakers organization getting back to a way that it used to deal with things as far as hey, you can be moved to if it if it means we don't get shock. All right. Then we don't have to lose some folks if that means we have we will be able to get Kobe burn up. We don't have to lose device. So, you know, it's it's a learning lesson in the process of number one. You know, nobody's I'd. I didn't hear any point of us quite like yours right now Bomani during that whole tirade of what was going on between Anthony Davis and the whole and the Lakers. So now, it doesn't work now. How's how's having Davis's mentality? Now, you know when that's all it's been going on when he comes out. And he says he doesn't want to be there because things aren't working well enough in order for him to get out of there and get to LA now. Now, what goes on, you know, now he has to be the bear. Or I should say he's burdened with everywhere. He goes. And who's in the now that I ate that's gotta don't wanna be with us, right? So again, it's it's more about how to do business. And and and and as far as the businesses concerned, no huge or impactful trays ever took place in the media. It always took place behind closed doors because of these type of reprecussions that could happen. What do you think about the way? The paddock ins a handle this thing that Davis because for me when he came out in that first game against Minnesota and put up thirty two and twenty nine minutes, and then they benched him for the fourth quarter. I was like, oh, no, no. This ain't going go. Well at all. You know, this is you have to be able to move on. And this is where this is where the accountability comes into play that I think you have to have within the organization within the with the players. You know, I think at this particular moment, they should have had a huge. I mean, a team organization only meeting with those that are involved and say, you know, what it didn't work out. Now, it's time. I go back to work. We still you know, you all to yourself to be the best you can be in this game. So let's move on as if that's what we're doing. And and go from there because now the whole, you know, I- he plays. He has those kind of numbers, and then he doesn't play anymore. It just it allows stuff to linger Bomani. And you gotta move on at least for this year. Because for me, if I'm in the shoes of antedates, you know, I write it didn't happen. Now, I've got to be the best I can be. So that when that time comes whoever gets me, they're going to be happy with not only the player that I am. But the player to win through this mess and still perform at a high level and didn't tank or didn't. I'm just going to cheer for the rest of the time and continue to improve because that's the size of leader. When things don't go. Well, things don't go your way, how do you respond, and if he's able to respond and continue to get this team on a role as far as winning is concern? I think that's that's valley's about that young mass character, and who he is also think about what has got to be like these other cats are being asked to play hard and try to win even if the organization isn't fully committed to win. And then you see, you know, our man is balling. Okay. But he's not going to play the fourth quarter. Like, why are the rest of us even here? And that's where you cannot control those situations money. That's where you do. All you can. And that's all you. At the end of the day because it, you know, they don't see this now, but Mani, but for all those times that you're afraid to try something, you know, where you were a little apprehensive about some, and you didn't try, you know, as you get older, those types of things Bobby, and so if you're able to I mean at the end of the day every time you get shower, and you get dressed, you know, after a game. You know, you played your hardest. You did the best you could do that's all you can live with at that particular moment because you can't control all the other stuff. And if you are able to do things in that way, then the next team that sees you because you're always planning for another contract, you're constantly playing to to be able to show what you're made a because there are teas can utilize players that in the midst of ever. So the are able to still stand up and play and give the message of. Hey, I'm here. I know this was screwed up. What I winter. But you know, what I could care less about that. Because all I wanna do is be the best player. I can be. NBA man this lot. Is it is such a fascinating league to me though. And I'm always curious like what players think when they hear somebody like meet say this because the thing I feel like as the NBA so interesting just as since it's such a small number of people in each individual matter so much in these various ways, this something that is at once totally not relatable about the NBA because most of us in our jobs are replaceable, but totally relatable because the group dynamics of small enough and we'd be like, oh, no. I know how stuff like that goes, we'll see you experience more than the players to you, you experience the fact that, you know, you're you're replaceable more than a players because a player may get something of a contract say three years, and he has three years or I should say two years to show if he's worthy of that. A lot of times if you have a bad year Bill Monning, somebody else's is is right behind you. Like, I'll be next, and you know that. But when it comes to the spirit of competition like. This. I think that what you're starting to see is that more than anything else. The games continuously growing. Now. There was a time where the game was about the veterans. We have an influx of youth, and these athletic freakishly athletic individuals that are coming into the game now doing things that no one ever imagined. Or no one was ever given an opportunity because it wasn't textbook style basketball. Now, we talk about John Williams as who's he gonna help become a playoff contending T. So is always changing for the better. Now, the flip side about those freakishly athletic individuals that are coming into the game. If you're not able to adapt and become more than just an athlete. A lot of guys are going to miss out. After the two years that they have because they have not shown the growth. See? Now, you have players going to college for one year and people are talking about. Yes, this this kid is really good. But he can't do it left hand layer. Now, I've seen seven footers who do not use that left hand as they should because they're running out to the three point line because they think that's what's necessary for those players who don't have the inside game and happen to have a wing sow game. That's for them. You wouldn't see Kevin? Do you see? Kevin Durant come into the game and start posting up. And that was it. No. He was utilizing his talents. But he had been taught that at a young age. And so he continued to t the seek to be better. Not all these stars. Have that thought process of what LeBron has been able to do what K D is down with Coby on? What m j is done know people. See glimpses. A certain things of a player of pass. Great. And they say, oh Kobe instinct, well, I think it's unfortunate to put that kind of pressure on some of those guys, especially when they're losing see it doesn't measure out when a person's losing and not help his teammates to be better. So you have this this thing right now where after two or three years you looking at those guys who were top picks. And you're saying, wow, what happened to him? Well, it wasn't about what happened to him. He is who he is is just that it has now his game people caught up to his game. And at the NBA level is faster. Guys are more skilled and coaches don't have time to teach what they should already know in the process of trying to teach them their nuances of their offense and defense. Yeah. And all those guys with all those circumstances. Every lies wanted him somewhere was the man in still believes until they get shaken out of it that they were the man like in east, Fresno, Bruce. He was the man right actually west. Hey, man. No, man. But that but see I always said this money when I left high school, and I went to college. I remember seeing a walk on. I didn't know what a walk on was and the walk on had to show up before practice, and they usually left after practice after getting shots because during the course of practice, they really didn't get a lot of run. So this was their way of saying shave and things of that nature. And I remember looking at one, and I was like, wow, you know, here it is I didn't play my freshman year. But I'm getting a chance to see something in these walk on where I had even more respect for them. Because what they went through as some point. You gotta be able to say, you know, I I don't have the skills of what Kobe has even though I may have scored a lot of points at it other leagues. I don't have that skill set like that. Now, do I have a skill set that can. Allow me to be on the floor with those starting five or going up against the team in Eastern Conference finals or Western Conference finals or even compete for the championship. I think it's more about guys being able to accept again, except who they are. And where they are right now and understand that they can still improve money is not that you cannot improve. You just continue to be a star in the role that you have I get it for me. I I was a defender here in San Antonio. I was fine with that. But after a while if I o he can shoot a little bit. Oh, he can do this. He can do that. But it didn't change what I was here for and that's what happens from time to time with so many guys is that you know, I remember Iman Shumpert being a dog on defense. I was like, oh, I love him Avery Bradley dog on defense. But as they start to score a little bit. I saw that dog kinda dissipate a little bit. Now, you know, I don't see that dog with Email when it comes to defense. I still see a little bit of the dog with Avery. But those are two examples that I have where I say they allow what others are saying. And they have to be to dictate who they are as far as be bringing something to the table. That's an asset. I am I say these are the kinds of things really though that about for the NBA that like really like fascinate me. 'cause like I look at my career, right? Like, I was good at stuff coming up. Like, I knew I was pretty talented. But I like I'm Ryan higher than I probably ever like legitimately believed that I would be doing right. Like, I got a job very small noble people. Like, there's a lot of people that would like to have the number that do very small like I didn't think I'd wind up necessarily in a place like that. I feel like with a lot of the cats is like yo I'm gonna go to the NBA one day nobody imagines as a kid. I'm gonna go to the NBA, and I am going to be a role player. No, everybody thinks they star. And I feel like I wonder always wanted to like the moment. When ado looks up realizes now, man, I'm just going to be a role player. And that's know what I'm saying. Right. But nobody dreams like nobody's Reeves it like you had a great career. But I don't think that what you were at home. But you are not years old. You're going to be a defense to stop say their Tokyo Spurs. No, you know, it's funny as it sounds, and and the way. Say this is like, oh, man. You're going to be what one fifth that I think this is the evolution of life, though. But Monte is that you know, there's always that saying that when you're not working someone else's somewhere else. And I think that's what comes to the forefront. Whenever you get to a certain level in in athletics. You know, you start to see all these others who have worked just as hard as you have. And and what what is it? What what is going to separate you from them say now, if you could shoot obviously that you have a place, but if you can be consistent now, you got you got a chance to be special on a good team. So you look at what JJ Rettig is able to do now even in his mid thirties. It's like he's still shooting the basketball. He understands that when he was Duke. He was a man I made he had he had dick by. Towel, you know, talking about he's a PT peer and all those wonderful things. But as he got into the NBA he had to figure out how could he stay in the NBA, and there are so many. But I think you get so humble so quick in the NBA my man where you know, as you say and nine years. Oh, no. The thing is when you've averaged thirty somewhere and now you got six shots a game. What can you do with those six shots? Are you a high value shooter? Or does that reality selling real quick? And you say I need to be really good at being consistent with these six shots and making the most out of them because you know, I may not get more than that. I remember when I got to Miami. It was Zo. Tim Hardaway them all Jamal Mashburn was Sean Leonard. There was nobody Tom about all swing to Bruce. That's the reality. Now one thing that that if you ran for the right way them all in the fight for the wing because if I got ahead of Dan that means that the ball swings. The correct way I may end up with the last shot. So you start doing a little things you start studying film about where you're gonna get shots and how you can be affective time. I did a step back drew the foul. And I remember Pat Riley in the film session in front of everybody said, I don't want that from you. And I didn't understand that. And I never went to him and talk to him about it. But all I remember was he doesn't want that for me. I felt like okay. But if it's positive then that's a good thing. This was a very minimal situation, but it took away from maybe some of our creators to have that opportunity is what he was saying, you know, when Kobe Bryant went on the scoring spree forty points a game when Shaq was out, you know, right? A was coming back. Phil Jackson, pull them out. Yo I need you to turn it down. Now and Kobe couldn't understand why was about incorporating chat back into the mix. Because if things go the right way, the east came stop him. So we need to get our dominant big bag dominant on the block. And if you're shooting all the balls, and that's not gonna happen. Sometimes we just don't understand the process of how things go and house gonna benef-. Not just you. But the team. Yeah. I badging be the would to tell that Kobe like now. Yeah, he's going on his points. That's cool. But like let somebody else goes imports. Right. If you want to poison to come out here and get the ball, and do it, you know, or or that code back. There was well, you should've had a surgery sooner. Yes. During the off these. So what we go like with with the Lakers. Do you think they're gonna make playoffs? I do believe that make the playoffs Bomani. Is. I think what happened now is the love hangover of of a break-up. And what has happened is that the young plays coups MMA ball Ingram? These guys have realized that you know, it's still their job to perform and play. So it's important for them to now have to continue on and what they're doing as far as being professional and continuing to come to work every day because you never know what's going to happen. It's always difficult. When you first go through something like this, Bomani. I the first time I was trade. I was like, Wow, I've been traded. And and the sad part is I had those kind of friends that said things, I ain't Bruce. He wasn't even playing. You got traded as he with with. What you hear later lives? I try I'll trade you for a box. Ray bars and a bottle of flex off four fifty four. That's the that's basically what I was trade. I was thrown in. So, you know, but it's about the learning process. And again, I can't I can't stress enough. How important it was for Magic Johnson to say what he said because it sends a message that this is a business to these guys. Even though in this business is the best one in the world. But it is still a business, and you must perform that way. What do you think about outta even know like how to focus this just LeBron so far in LA? Well, before the injury thought he was I thought he was fantastic trying to lead a group of young guys that don't and and don't take this. I hope the listeners won't take this as disrespect, but they didn't have a coup on what winning basketball was. When I say that winning basketball is being able to pay attention to details on defense where there's a rotation. You have to rotate where your guy was. So that means you have to know every spot of rotations and what's necessary. And what comes with it? Being selfless is not that. You don't get your shot. But it's the best shot for the team. Lebron basically had the two thousand seven Cleveland Cavaliers with him in this group without Ilgauskas because he had to do so much for this young club that you know, what what can you expect except the learning process? That's what they were going to have to deal with. And that's what they were gonna do was continue the process of teaching these young players how to become champions. But more importantly how to become winners with one of the greatest basketball players to ever play right now. So they got that opportunity to deal with the bra. And I thought he did a fantastic job of being patient. See when we talked about Coby and pow early on when power I got there was just so happy to be in LA. He quickly realized that okay? Okay. I have to learn these things at a quick rate with Koby. I don't have a lot of time with Koby. And that was the biggest difference between Koby and in a man. Dwight Howard dry came in wanting to play and have a good time. Probably was business. Let's get to work. So when you have to change that mantra with young players it takes time now on top of that you don't have the training camps. Like you used to they used to be a time we had training camp for a month. That was such great learning for incoming players, Bomani. I wish that training camp could go back to that. Because it was so necessary for the players to learn how to take care of their bodies. How to really understand what film is and really receive the lessons that they're learning during that time, so you're dealing with so many things that you cannot control as far as what the CVA is. Now, it's only a week long training camp. You can't have two days. So there would I thought the Brown was doing a tremendous job as far as teaching these young guys how to be professional and be better players at the same time out of those legs young guys like which which is your favorite of those Kouzmin. I I like what he's like his eagerness to I think receive instruction and be better from that instruction. I enjoy his his passion for the game. We know he can score. But now it's about string law more than one game or two games. It's about consistency. Now with him and everything happens in steps, you know, you fail before you truly accomplish the goals of of what you really want. And especially when it comes to winning. You know, you come up short a lot in those situations. But coming up short is not a disaster. That's one of the greatest teachers that I think that any athlete can have is coming up short of their goal. Oh because now they start to understand that. Okay. I have to be better at this. And this is how I become better is learning through the hurt learning through the inconsistencies and learning through what the game brings at me every single day because there's a new challenge for him every single game because he is doing better now than everybody understands that he is a solid player. How do you combat against that? When it comes to him now preparing against other teams when they're aware of how good is going to be angry was my favorite one except. I'm not exactly sure how good he is. Or what exactly kind of player he is? Let's see I I look at that. And that's been the struggle because everyone wants to label individuals and when he was laid on the game. It was who KD he can be like, Katie. In this. And that's where this why we have to be careful, those labels. Don't I still for me? I still have not seen that with Brennan. I think that he's a he's he might be a piece that is third or I four option, but he's he's not a number one option or is not number two action. See I feel like that person that has been able to bring some consistently with LeBron has been cruising the fact that he he continues to I mean just grind. And and get better. He you like to see that with Ingram. But it just comes and goes so much that you're saying, hey, man, give me this every single game or or or or figure something else out to compete with his links with his ability to get to the basket. I think he should be getting to the free throw line more. So don't settle. For the jump shot, but get to the live become more aggressive. But when you're asking these things when you're constantly saying the same things money about certain guys in this game. If this is what hard for us as fans we hate to see that that players not what we want them to be. Or who we thought they could be we don't want to. We don't wanna accept that. So we continue to say things, man. But I think he can still go. Well, maybe he can't. And we have to live with that. Right. Last thing. I would ask you. It's got a random everything else we talked about. But it's whatever man we just hanging out with Bruce you as defensive stuff how much would you enjoy guarding a player who not only can't shoot, but refuses to shoot because I'm? Well, the mommy the reality of that was they wouldn't have me on him. They we we would have put we would put somebody else on him who didn't have the guard. Who would who would they be hide who what they put over there to hide those those are guys that you say stay within the system of the defense. That's our system defense of guy. You know, that guy that just you know, I man he he looked right? And he he went for that fake. He even said, he just look, right. And he went for the fake. We it would it would that guy would be required to to guard in that system. And we say our stick to the rules. They gave me the board salted as like a high level basketball player with people hit you with the full on stick to the roof. Like, I do tell the story of the day. He quit play basketball. He was he's played in college at gives enemy AC, and he was not allowed to dribble coach told him. He was not allowed dribble. Eighty say got the ball once and he went to live dribble, and he stood there. And he said, you know, what happened? They call ten seconds. And that was the day that he decided he just go play basketball boy because he baited to stick to the rules player like the rules rules, you know, Vermont at some point, man. No. You gotta if if you wanna dribble that ball, go head dribble that ball and deal with the consequences. There of now there was many times where I did somewhere. Tim looked like a this makes you we don't do that. No more. And because of what transpired from that. I looked at him. I said, Yep. Yep. I'm putting that one up that's not gonna happen anymore. Both that one out of fifteen times the did work. Ooh. Is you gotta did teammate. They'll cheer you on. Because I know he's the hot me up for some bull now. Ladies and gentlemen, that is by bad. Bruce Bowen check him out on ESPN through this basketball season. You know, we go have you on again. So right. Well, I I hope so man 'cause you you've been tripping I know that. Have you seen that do it Wisconsin who the do Brad Davidson do that state trying to take charge isn't when he can't take charge? He looked like he'd be out your trip and people hitting them into in the things. No, no. I don't watch college that much. I'm gonna send you some video. His technique assist. You buy give us clues. Oh that was shot, ladies, and you. Here's a hard work at defend us hall work at defendant on. 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"CBS Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening. Wherever you get your podcast? Rato's review was given I five stars. The only goes for stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater coming up on this episode of the right time it is Memphis all memphis versus the NCWA. Aw little fantasy football content hit as which are kind of dig also man. Dj Mike Hitman will be joining us. But I all right so I was in California this weekend friend of mine got married when check that out semi I'm as seen on the Internet but anyway While I'm there I'm Emma homeboys housing is always interested in like when I'm with people that they enjoy sports but they don't live like I do you know kind of what the job or whatever so I'm Emma homeboys House Home Clarence entertaining his two small children. Then I'm like a Oh you mind if we are in turn on Lsu Alabama gave you from California College football. Don't really move the needle like that out that way. It doesn't unless you're USC undefeated. Yes yes he takes. It takes all those things like covering together like well oh UCLA UCLA to to make La really be like Oh snap we own it now Win The national championship the fourth quarter of of the chip. She she gave her. Ucla good man returned home. So I'm there and turn onto Lsu Bama game and I got in and got into into it in the first half they were lighting them up. At that point the game ultimately the turned out to be one score in the end in that is going to matter. Let me be old man right fast. In one thousand nine hundred ninety three Florida state and Notre Dame played it was one versus two and this is supposed to be the team for finally for Florida. State Day that they can turn the corner and they could win a national championship. Notre Dame wound up winning that game by one touchdown but what was crucial was. There was a play in that game. Charlie War Threw a pass that was deflected and awesome rabbit's foot type stuff went. I WANNA say has mccorvey because it in the back of the end zone. It became crucial because Florida State lost that game by one score rather than losing by two scores which affected the perception of what the loss was. Okay so the following week Notre Dame plays Boston College right. I'd been the following week but subsequently Notre Dame play Boston College. They lost to Boston College. Florida state wound up being number one at the end they beat Nebraska in the Rose Bowl and finished with Florida state. Number one notre dame number. Two there's no way to Florida stay. Wins that National Championship. If mccorvey doesn't catch that ball in the back of the endzone there's no way fight. It was the matter that game being one score what we got in this. Lsu Alabama game is very similar thing was devante Smith caught slant laid on stangeland went like eighty the eight yards. And that's what brought this back to being a one score game so the chances of Alabama getting in the playoffs come up really on the basis of that one play like there's still a good chance that they're gonNA wind up there because they made it happen on that one play but I got it may came out of that game feeling like awfully correct about a lot. A lot of things I told people. Just you watch as you come out there and they win. They thought the game's going to be a trag me no matter what. But I'M GONNA look unless you come out here and win that game and it's going to be Joe Borough number one overall pick. You'RE GONNA start here in a lot more than you had before gave you hear people talking about Joe Burrow into draft here what they say the sneaky fan as right he he is he is an athletic duty. Is Surprising people In that and I guess I don't know why people surprised that he's athletic. Because Ohio State with the offense they've been running for the last seven eight years. You can't play in that unless you can move right right. Like how wild is it gave that people are less surprise that cartel Jones could move. Then they were there. Joe Borough could cartel Jones big as a truck. That's assuming get you anyway. That's the big thing about that game like it was a good college football game. It did not disappoint it entertain for everybody that had been looking forward to that game being played for so long but we were all there. This this right here is what wound up making this game. Why we need talk body right now? This is Ed Oser on again. If there are do things I've ever been wrong about in sports. It was why in the world are you hiring Dabo swinney and why in the world are you making over on the head coach. I am not big on that continuing out. The interim both cases is seems to have worked out pretty well and so owes your Algebra from Louisiana. He went to Lsu for low alpha. We had to go somewhere else. All of that stuff off and you know he does. Rodney does Ron and here is. Does Ron Given the speech to the players after the game. your hair. They came out of his audience but said that he didn't regret do. Anybody did regret that it went public. which is how you have have to be right because then said it so? Of course he's not gonNA regret saying that he regrets that other word. It's an understandable thing however Odur on the best thing may maybe to happen in college football in like the last ten years is the fact that that went public. That is the best part of all of this. Here's why that going public is the best part of all of this. Lsu Alabama was a game. That was good every every year. This is what turns Lsu Alabama into a rivalry. Is this right here because look man. Sabin is no fun one right like I'm actually higher on saving the most people are because I think the statement actually truly legitimately cares about his players and goes a long way with me. I really do think that he cares about his players. Part Wildlife Cal in basketball a lot more than other people do. Because I think he legitimately does care about his players in a very machiavellian sort of way but I do think he cares about his players but saving is just no fun because everything is so her like button Dan we we never had no good savings smack. Talk in quote or anything else that doesn't happen and as a result. Oh we don't really have anybody doing that stuff back to Alabama because they're so nameless faceless and just a cold killing machine that don't nobody want no parts of poking them or anything like that and then we wind up with does Rog. Hey can we play those raw one. More time to cook. Moss was getting trump. Saying yes sir it it will be A. Can you imagine how Mad Alabama fans all about their heated furious. And by the way now might be the time to do it. Okay okay now. One thing would Alabama. We have to remember. undersold this coming into the game. It was a big thing for me at the beginning of the year. undersold it as we went. which was that defense was young? I want to say I saw something like three or four freshman. Starters that were out there they lost all those inside linebackers earlier in the year and they went out there and they gave up forty six points to Lsu at home the most points they'd given up into saving era at home. I mean that is wild to watch in Alabama team. Give up that many points like that it's staggering. That is now what you're going to expect to see from Nick. Sabin team right. Maybe this thing is getting like wobbly over there now. Of course wobbly over there means you're the top five team as opposed to being the top two teen. But like you'll look a recruiting this year. For example I want to say Clemson has six five stars. Alabama has two or three. I something in that zone. I think that's part of the twenty. Four seven rankings. But that's where they are like Alabama's been on top of so long and in such a way that you lose sight of the fact that people can gradually chip away at dead now Lsu. I do think that maybe there's some reason for like caution When it comes to what was your on had to say because if you go look at what does your aunt? He's done since he got there. It looks a lot like the lesser miles tenure. That wasn't good enough right. Three law season four loss season. This is one of those years that you know miles has as every now and then miles had one or no seven miles had another one in twenty eleven once they there was one later also where they really seem like they kind of put it together and then it kind of fell apart at the end but we need the fun of this. The thing that stinks about college football right now as it stands is the money's gotten so big and that has become so corporate that we don't wind up with these beeps that come up like this like you don't have that many guys who were of it in a way to odor on of it being a do for Louisiana with his kid we care ears this much about it and when you get that level of passion from him about just the mere idea that we won this game this is the game was hired win because losing this game is in large which part what gutless miles fired right got less miles out of there was an understanding that looking around at the less one to play offense. You can't score enough points weights. Play it off as the way to less miles wants to win in this modern. Sec You cannot do it so they winning this dude and he went out and got dude and now they're out. They're putting up points in their way and now they out here talking smack roll tide. US here for every single bit of it so like that Lsu you game next year at Tiger Stadium. Do you realize how cracking is going to be around that one like around this one. We're just kinda like wow one versus two that'll be great that game can NBA Ten verses eleven and it will still be cracker lacking it'll be crackle lacking because now we got some filling into it. Now we got a whole different level level heart that is surrounding his game. Boy Has Dope but got that other thing right. Two guys little store gave gave. I can tell the story about last week right. Tell the story so we were doing podcasts. And we'll do a little segment part of it about trump and him going wanted game. It would that was going to turn into a win along because I got to roll and I gave check it out you know. Let me know what you think about like. Who edited up and I got it and I was like? Oh Damn all the good stuff goal doc so we like now we go run it no big thing right because it was predictive of what I thought was going to happen at the game but now that the stuff is actually happened. I feel like we can talk. ACAPA this game. Apparently trump got a rousing ovation at a in Tuscaloosa. When he came navigate he did? Has He received ovation's at every sporting event he's been into the world series right Yeah I don't think he went to well. He went to the world series right and they gave him the blues. Yes as a little hit or miss at the Ama kind of depending on where you were hidden. And for what I could tell but on this one look apolitical observation. That man was looking for applause right and I don't think there's any question about that. And if there was any place that he was going to get applause it was going to be something in the neighborhood of one hundred thousand white folks in Alabama right. That's the base. He showed up. He got the ovation that he was looking for. And I say it is and I think this is a fair question. Ask all you just think about this for a SEC. Amy Man if you had your black friends in town for the weekend and you would like Yo I gotta find something to do that will entertain entertain them and make them feel comfortable. You wouldn't take them to a trump rally just not the place you will go right right. They're just not the place to go and all of a sudden for Alabama who. I'm sure had all all the recruits there for this big game. It turned into a trump rally. So go do this math right here. Alabama lost game it. Ozora hit him with bleep view and on their big recruiting weekend. It turned into a trump rally failed to be Nick Sabin Saturday night just a series of l.. I can't imagine all the things that say trying to do to stop that from happening in the first place. 'cause there was absolutely no way that this was going to turn out to be a win for him. And what did the game actually turn run out to be for him. Three different losses nick. Sabin hadn't lost three games in a year since twenty ten. He called three E in one day. Better you than me all right gave I imagine you have not paid much historical attention to Memphis basketball. What is now the University of Memphis you would imagine correct? Do you even have a recollection of win. It used to be Memphis state eight. No Hey this is news to me right now. They became Memphis. I don't even know what year but fairly recently like when Penny Hardaway play there they were Memphis the state and now I am at that age where I look at schools and I tell you what they used to be called right like. That's where I am. That's I've made a measure of peace with that. That's where I am at that place but anyway so memphis has had through time three players ears that like really jump out of note wing legendary Memphis basketball players. They're really three you talk about Derrick rose. But he's kind of their four year that don't count the same way one of them is Larry Fench. and Larry Finch was the best player on the nineteen seventy three thank his nineteen seventy-three nineteen seventy-three team then Lost Ucla in the national championship. Game or Bill Walton. Went Twenty one for twenty two from the floor. He later became the head coach at Memphis where he coached another guy. We'll talk about it in a minute Memphis. Legend number two is a gentleman named Keith Lee. And I will never forget when radio caller in North Carolina told told me that he wants all keithly at the dog track in a pink firm. Because what is more Memphis. Then Jerry Curl Keith Lee at the doll all track in a pink for They went to the final four while he was there while keithly was there. Dana Kirk was the head coach that is prior to Calabar the the probably most consistent run success. That memphis has had a data kirk widar being indicted for a slew of charges tax fraud all kinds. Of course Smith is like tax fraud in all of this stuff and they eventually vacated all the stuff that happened there including that trip to the final four. The Third Legend of Memphis basketball the ball is Anthony Hardaway. Who has most of you guys know as penny may mostly noses penny anyway but hardaway? They went to the elite eight with Penny Hardaway way in nineteen ninety two where they lost the Cincinnati and they lied eight round by the way for the fourth time that season which had to be miserable. The next year came back. They ain't really get that thing. CRACKING BUT PENNY IS TO MEMPHIS like I'm trying to think of WHO to throw out here is the names for people so you can understand like what Penny Hardaway means to the city Memphis is just. It's not just like Oh Pini was good at basketball. Opinion was remembered penny played from Memphis. That's not saying nearly enough like from Houston. The Best Basketball player that Houston has produced. Is Clyde Drexler who has a hall of Fame Basketball Player Played at the University of Houston like very comparable Memphis me. Penny me something to Memphis that so easily. Trump's were clyde drexler means to Houston like penny is like what Iverson is for them tidewater. Cats it's Steve Francis Kinda used to be that guy in DC Isaiah. Thomas was once that guy for Chicago. Derrick rose is kind of moved into that a place like he is the one all right. So Pitt became a high school basketball coach. He'd run a program that had been strong thing. You can't coach eat high school. They want to run a state championship and while he was there. There's this kid named James Wiseman who was living in Nashville and penny paid. What it calls to get? The wiseman wisemen family to move from Nashville in order to play in Memphis as you might imagine the High School Athletic Authority around there. It was like Oh hold on a second. They they looked into it. I don't know what their rules are. Whatever it is but they said it was okay so why is McCain? They wanted them state championships at East. wild any was the head coach at Memphis East. High School. They Fire Tubby Smith. bit-part Wi fi tubby Smith was chubby. Tubby and understand what the job was. And the big thing was there. These kids the loss in twins. I think they wound up and I'll think they're twins with their brothers but they wound up at Kansas and one of their their father. It was an assistant at Memphis and tubby demoted him. But either way a win he was not going to be a coach who sat on the front row there. So what do you think happened that do win and got another job. What are you doing happy when he went and got the job that's right? He took his kids with them. The data you're doing right as Memphis wants to win and specifically Memphis wants to win with players from Memphis Memphis fans are not here for the best has players from the area moving away they know. Don't they those guys to stick around. MEMPHIS would be perfectly happy with a team with twelve L. dudes from Memphis right. That's the way they want to play it there. That is the local team that is their basketball team and they wanted. That's why you hire Penny Hardaway because again penny hardaway is the Legend in Memphis Angle. A whole lot of really good players in Memphis that are going to go play for anybody. Somebody other than penny. That's the way seed and so James Wiseman was the first example of this like now we bring an East dudes in and then you look at it. And if it's got the Nobel recruiting class in America right a kid from California. I'm not sure what a precious The assuming Nigeria. I'm not sure where he is from Bob but they got those boys in but the big one is wise men and gave you seen Wiseman I have these big boy. Oh Man I asked somebody who covers the industry. I was like what you gotTa Wiseman happened here. Look I'm not a wiseman expert but from what I can tell he's going to be a guy that looks better in the NBA. Then he does in College and Oh my God. What in the world do you think he's going to look like in the NBA? Because he he looks like a monster monster until you in college. Oh my goodness yeah man. So anyway I told you all that stuff about the moving and all that so so memphis was told James Wiseman was in eligible and the reason they ruled that he was in eligible was because they deemed their a penny hardaway was a booster and the basis. Repainting being a boosters actually not simply that he played memphis but the basis for him being a booster is that he made a one one million dollars gift to the institution years ago and so as a result he as booster pays for the move that is accepting an improper benefit. If it from a booster. And that's how we wind up where we are now with James Wiseman situation and Eleven thousand dollars is apparently would have cost move. Eleven thousand dollars is going to be over the NC double as low ridiculous thresholds on these matters right like that's the kind of thing that means you ain't GonNa be eligible no more so they laid that down right. After they laid that down on Friday there was a report that a Shelby County Judge County in the county to Memphis in Shelby County judge then deemed that wiseman was immediately eligible. Gave I imagine every single judge in Shelby County would put you in that same injunction junction every single one. They WanNa see the men play. This is about Memphis right. This is about Memphis and so yeah. He's back out there and so what the AA has said. Just so you know like as a matter of protocol is that if we deem you ineligible and then the courts say that you are eligible dribble. We don't care what the court say right so yeah you can go out here and you can play but you're still going to be ineligible in our eyes is in Memphis is said. Guess you gotTa do what you gotTa do is always going to be out here. Playing one thing I also didn't realize about the NCWA has their their punishments aren't really binding in that way. which is to say that the authority to suspend intimate somebody and eligible and all that stuff actually falls on the president of the institution and the President of Memphis is like nope this boys gone play and so they basically flipped their middle finger at the NC? Aa Is said to Wiseman is going ball and I'm fascinated by this. Let me tell you a couple of days like aside from you know my general NCW level outrage. I don't even think I need to give that to you. In this case Memphis feels picked on right. Remember the engage. You remember this. We talked about this or Stephen Godfrey last week. Where we're like when the guys outside started rising rising up a little bit too fast at long for the NCWA shows up? Remember we talked about that with Houston and with Ole Miss Down as right that to me is what is could lead this slot they could have and by the way the NC Double A. has known about this they made wise men eligible eligible in. May I mean they clear him in May to play like this is not something that just surfaced. Everybody knew about this from the jump if they were going to shut this down. They could've so easily shut this down down early. They didn't do that. They let them get on campus then. Apparently I'm assuming they let Memphis. No look if you plan. He's going to be eligible and Memphis it. Well I mean is is it all right I guess eligible and then they played him. And now we've got what could be a fascinating standoff. Because if they keep playing him a Memphis makes the tournament and does something like goes to the final four or God knows win the National Championship. And somebody from the gotTa handle the trophy. That's going to be a lot is going to be a lot but let me get back to what I was saying about Memphis picked on. They went to the final four in the eighties. They took that banner down. Derrick rose is sat sat was approved by the NC double a clearing house. They then came back later. After the fact and then deemed his. Sat invalid valid deemed him in eligible and then took the battery down in will not let them raise it. Keep in mind and this is the point that they make all the time after what happened with Corey Lori. McGinley at Duke. Nobody made them take down that ninety nine final four banner. Nobody did as what you got here with. MEMPHIS is a program that feels like they're getting picked on that when they turn out to be good that when they get this crack and all of a sudden. You're somebody that came tolerate this and now it's gotta come down and they not standing forward imitate other. They not stand for it. 'cause they had the experience of two thousand eight and what that is to say. Is they remember what it felt like. They got all the memories. Emory's they know all that stuff and they know in a different way than his obvious even though it is obvious you can go back in time as over them they WANNA go out here and do all what is winning. They want to win as much as they can. And if you decide after the fact that you want to act like it didn't happen you can act like it didn't happen we not GONNA act like it didn't happen we remember member we go ride this thing all the way out and that is exactly what they're gonNa do here with James Watson Right. I just want to ask the AA this question. Why are you also counterproductive? Like I know they got a lot going on. They stand in the swirl of a bunch of stuff they gotta you know. Get this thing figured out. Well you know with the money and stuff like that. And they're standing up now for the authority of their rules because it was a bogus. You know these legislatures y'All's house. Rules are silly. They are standing up for the sanctity of their rules. So I understand to a degree why it is that they would have to lay the hammer on this one. Though I would have thought that they would have laid. The hammer will be four four so they don't even have to go through this right. I get that. But at the same time baby hustling backwards. Wiseman is the single most interesting college basketball player this year. Like you might make an argument that the most interesting college basketball player is actually not playing college basketball. And that's Lamelo ball but this is the most interesting college basketball player. Painting and Memphis is the most interesting college basketball story a wing of sport by the way that is not done very much to intrigue the masses. Like why it isn't going to be Zion necessarily but as close as they got probably this year you knows his eye on what was the last time America was really early. Just like Yoda's college basketball thing is worse that it ain't really happened in that way. You got a chance for that right here. You got a recognizable name as coach and you got a player to people talking about maybe being the number one overall pick only y'all dumb as we try to find a way to take that dude off television. Only you will look at this time where people seem to Care Elizabeth College basketball than ever. With only you'll be like in now does make people care even less than they already dogwood. He don't win. Why would you do this? They have decided that's the way that they wanna live at Memphis decided we live the only way we know how to live. which is how baby living in Memphis gear ready for fun season because abby living in Memphis I wouldn't do it myself but there's a lot of phoned Do you play fantasy FOOTBA. I haven't Phyllis couple years so I play fantasy football. I play every year with the same same group of people. Some friends of mine From way back when playing his Lee maybe about fifteen years. Now some way there've been playing for a very long time And part of why play with them is I have no wages in playing a fantasy football with new people. Because gave you know what's up all New People WanNa do is like celebrate the fact that they beat me the answer on your grave all they WANNA do they wanna be able to take friends that they beat me and I personally don't really WanNa know Parse it. You know what I mean like. I don't get no win out of that. But that's that's what they want That that's what they that's what they're trying to get out of this. I WANNA participate in that so I just play these cats. I've been playing with before and I gotta say I have been a disappointing fantasy football performer. I haven't over the years. I haven't really done well. I haven't won a trophy in quite a long time. Ask You about record is tell the listeners. What your record isn't fanciful Boba? Not One WOAH nine and one. Wow okay that. I didn't expect it together. Way asked me who has league in points scored Bomani Bomani Jones. That's right are right. Now as me who was leading the league in points allowed also bondage I I have given up the least points and scored the most points and I just want to speak to the fantasy football players out there and I just want to ask. What does this say about me that I feel as though the fact that I've given up the least points speaks to the level of dominance thereby team has finished? Sports is fickle man. Yeah Okay Yeah. But here's this autumn. Saying right on I'm saying you note Hindus on other side when they got to look up and see my fantasy football team and they see Johnny Law aw and he sees them dues get off the bus. They ain't got no chance right like I think it was happening. They know they don't have a chance. They ain't got no coach in the locker room motivate now I got the locker room. Motivating my guys right. Would you think Aaron Jones was just GonNa score three touchdowns this week. Just because they were playing against the panthers of course Niagara Tall today do data data. Could this big game against the cowboys. Ain't people say Zeke better than you you know you better than Z. I told him that I'm the one who told him. Did you know that I told him that right before. What a game I was like? You know what you're saying about you right. I'm the one who told him that. You boy drew brees. You went out here for eleven fantasy points. This week. I was playing against drew brees. Oh come on now. Do you think that's a call. You think it's a coincidence. Ed Uber Raises. You're looking like that in that game against the horrible Falcons you think goes it. Are you making a pitch right now. For like your new fancy sports commercial for ESPN with Bomani Jones dislike whispering in the ear of different. NFL NFL players and getting them to perform on Sundays. I actually don't think I should sell myself short in that way. I am pitcher myself to be the coach of actual team. Oh Okay aurait. That's what I think. It should be continue on him. Sorry for interrupting. I really get done out of Jerry Golf. But that's cool. I just told him a handball off. Nature he are other unbagged is give him the ball man. Ed Let them make this happen. I mean gay. I've been here dominating. These fools man I I I cannot believe how dominant I've been and what I really believe on top of how dominant I've been. I cannot believe the way that this is affected the way that I view myself I feel like the main like I got like really look at me and I'm like Oh man you you did like you do understand. I'm overcoming injuries to Adam feeling that overcome that injury. I want a game last week. We're Adam feeling came out there didn't have no catch and then had to get at it. We had one catch and then he got out of there because he got hurt. I May I put him on the bench. I couldn't even play him this week and still came out here. Victoria's it will quarterback putting up three report though. Can't everybody do kate everybody doing. Its dominance dominance. Now are you sharing this dominance with Pablo and Cortez at work down there every day. Okay because I was gonna say it's kind of an interesting turn here where you know the fantasy football league that you're currently in when you're in because you don't want people hollering that you when you saw that's right but when you're good to know right but to be fair all other people and League when they are good they want everybody to know but they ain't got nobody that owned by dog them like people be dogging me you understand what I'm saying. They also don't have the platform that you do in shouted laude allow day. I ain't out here putting no names on it though right. I'm letting them like lurk silence when it comes to these matters besieged cortes. In one of our Charles's we've got to Charles on step. Cortez hasn't Charles about Pakistan's and so I got Aaron Jones out here doing business and so they appreciate hearing about my fantasy team because they know I'm the one that's making it happen. You know like they need me to come in there and give that motivational speech. And then they're packers wind up. Achieving success had thought about like the hatchet staz right and we'll last thing he says I mentioned it briefly. I probably should have been a whole segment about this but I wanted to. I wanted to let you guys know that I can be silly about fantasy. Just like you guys but The best rivalry in the. NFL IS FALCON Saints Right. I really think that much about it. The football part of it. Whatever it is I'm talking about? Pure absolute hatred. Falcon Saints is the Best Ravi. NFL who incidentally it is also the blackest robbery indie NFL. It's a lot of circumstances that leader that taught you about it before big part of it of course being Hurricane Katrina and all the New Orleans moving into Atlanta and and the Atlanta people subsequently hating them and everything that happens I want once went to the mall in Atlanta Lenox Square on Monday afternoon. Would've falcons and saints will plan on Monday tonight in Oman. Goodness what an amazing sight that that was right by its thing here and as many of you know I used to root for the Falcons. I grew up rooting for the Falcons and then equity narcotic like ten years ago after the quarterback got caught fighting dolls and I just decided this relationship was not providing nearly as much as I was investing in it and then I wrote out of here but I still hate the saints and I have not been able to stop hating the saints and going into that game. The Falcons one and seven and the saints. Thanks for seventy one. And the Falcons dominated them dominated them. I tell you dominated though. It took me a while because I was in California and I was busy doing things but I got the chance to get on twitter and send out what I sent in these moments to the saints fans. The paper bag you guys remember used to paper bags two games. I remember when used to wear paper bag. The game remember. We used to wear paper bags. Two Games did you WANNA put on a paper bag while the falcons stopping you because I feel like if I was in your situation I will want that especially if I had a historical legacy of where paper-based thanks to gay right like that was in my. DNA like it's in Y'all DNA. y'All one super bowl at one time but the the paper bag of the loser is still remains in your DNA vows. You I I probably would have put a paper bag all after that defeat. That's what I would have done. put paper bag on. I win by to see my face. I would probably be crying. I imagine the some of you might have been crying. I imagine mattia somebody our economy all kinds of names as things stand right now as you hear me talk about this right and I just want to say this for you saints fans. I think your team has a chance to win a super bowl. I really do like I. That's not an exaggeration. Right drew plays as well as Teddy. Did I believe you guys will win. A super bowl defense is good. Offense is good especially teams. Good I think that you have a chance to win a super bowl and when you own their last drive marching to win the Super Bowl do you know how funny would be if you were the wrong long side of an egregious. Pass interference call. Can you imagine how funny it would be if that happened. Sean Payton challenge the pass interference and it's the most obvious pass interference call but the league was still out here. Not Overturn a pass. Interference calls do you know how funny would be how mad you would would be if that happened. How fury is you guys would be if that went down? Do you know how all my guy yeah will probably be burning stuff up. y'All be out in street fighting each other. They had to get the horses though the police on the horses to get y'all calm down. That's when you know what I mean. Business when they break into horses. It would be all of that if that happened happened. Hey maybe that would feel worse than taking an embarrassing loss. For the Falcons. Same glass full glass half full we. Oh you can't be on top of all the news information of the day no need for the social media feeds. We got you now. If you haven't heard this first story it comes from travel. My Name's Alicante and I wrote an article for vice called. I accidentally uncovered nationwide scam on Airbnb so about two months ago my friends friends and books and AIRBNB in Chicago to music festival in about five minutes or her Sosa. Check into that AIRBNB. We've got a phone call from a guy thing. Previous tenant had flooded. It will remind making a decision decision really quickly to move into a bigger nicer place that he also managed. We don't want to get a hotel or anything so he just kind of went with it and we got the new place it was completely trash. There is no real furniture furniture. Besides beds holes were punched in the walls very obvious. No one actually live there. It was kind of like a flop palace. I would say the guy told us. He was unable to fix the plumbing issue after a couple of nights and we we needed to leave because new people were coming to stay at the palace so we gotta hotel and I decided I would deal with getting a refund later. The hosted during this process airbnb was super helpful because they needed to get his side of the story. So I started kind of digging into Earth reporter and trying to track down this guy myself. I went through property records through operation records and was able to after interviewing a bunch of other people who had fallen for the scam. Get in touch with him through his company and ultimately link him to almost one hundred seemingly fake listings at least kind of dicey list things in about eight different places so went to Arab unity. With this evidence they did not ought to kind of take this guy off of their platform the FBI reached out to me and AIRBNB has promised that they're going to try to verify seven million of their listings by the end of twenty twenty. So here's my thing about airbnb just as general idea after reading that story in just you know being around the world and stuff. We need to be very worried. Read about a company that can make this much money while having so little concern for customer service like that is a horrible sign for all of us in all these businesses because the big thing and that story was hey I hit airbnb and let them know I got a problem. And there's little to nothing airbnb cares so much more about the host than it does about the customers and and that is really wild and backwards and that does not portend. Well that's really really bad wallows on vacation this summer I had a bad experience with a particular hotel that I will not name on this podcast but I booked through a travel agent and so I was trying to get reimbursed or trying. WanNa get like money off the bill and the travel agent was like Oh will the hotel has to authorize this. The hotel was like all the travel people got to authorize this serve. What he's playing this game of tennis back and forth no-one's accepting responsibility and in this instance with Alli with airbnb saying saying Oh? Why can't do anything until the host gets back to us and in the host just not accepting responsibility whatsoever? The customer is left in like the worst. The worst possible position does nothing that they can do about it. Yeah Nam Nam but like so like cryptocurrency. My problem with it has always been some money. I need a branch. What Branch Blanche AIRBNB branch? This next story comes from health claims. Donald Sal and I'm a journalist in cannabis researcher contrary to popular belief users who consume cannabis tend to weigh less than their non stone counterparts. Wanting to break this paradoxical fact down led me to a cabinet. Scientists are looking as a potential weight loss agent. THC teach teach cannabinoid compound produced by cannabis. Plants Fido can act in a similar way to Endo cannabinoid that our bodies produce and no can avoid are compounds compounds that act as messengers our endo cannabinoid system the systems purpose is to maintain homeostasis or balance and it does so by regulating appetite. Appetite Sleep Mood Glucose. Fat Metabolism N even immune system through cell signaling via various enzymes neurotransmitters. The two main receptor sites in the CANNABINOID system. RCB One to these receptors also regulate the reward and aversion centers in the brain a paper published by the International Association for Cannabis as Medicine Medicine. In two thousand and four found that purity had anorexic properties that was effective even at very low doses. Naturally that's finding propelled companies like Sanofi to to develop drugs that acted similarly teach Ramona bonds. A paper published a year later found. It was very successful at reducing weight and obese patients they theorized that Ramona bont like like. THC Be exhibited this effect as it prevented other compounds from binding to the CB one receptor site this could theoretically block the CB one receptors ability a to stimulate the appetite a paper published in two thousand eight also showed that TV reduce the amount of time non obese mice spent near a food hopper another research paper republished. In this year's British journal Pharmacology found that giving reduced nicotine cravings and use in mice and this is further prompting the idea that the a CB one and cvt receptors have a role in regulating how satisfying food is to eat by binding the CB. One TV could theoretically diminish are craving leaving for food as well as control insulin levels and our appetite for sugar we also think. TV can produce an energy increase. Although it's short lived now many brands are trying to ride this. THC wave offering consumer strains or edibles high in THC but until we understand how all the compounds and the system work. We can't decisively decisively. Points at and say this is going to make you wait. So they're about to sell weed is weight loss to a dude. I got news for you if if they can successfully convince people of that. It is cancelled Christmas on this like it if they convince people this. Do you realize how much money everybody's GonNa make. 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Without the women's knowledge the man was able to turn her Land Rover on and off and control the vehicle's windows. He helped pay for the car when the tour together and that gave him access to her registration information which allowed him to set up the APP on his phone. We don't know the exact attack but it sounds strikingly similar to Land Rover's in control APP which allows owners to remote start and track car locations. This all came out in in a court. Hearing that was first reported by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and the disturbing case highlights a troubling trend that domestic violence advocates have warned about for years as has surveillance and tracking technology becomes more advanced stocking and other forms of intimate partner. Violence can become more difficult to fight one of those advocates kids. Eric Olson with the national network to end domestic violence told me that these are modern forms of old tactics and behaviors. The behavior is not new. You but the technology is Yo- it is really problematic. How many of these things that we eh enact in the name of like safety and convenience and to be able to check all this how easy it is to somebody to turn it around in their make it about you? You know what I mean like you decide you set up security cameras in your house because you wanna be safe and then somebody figure out how to get in your camera. And now you'd want being watched and you to one who who doesn't feel safe you know us won't be able to put some on your car to like keep up with where it's going you know. In case might boosted or whatever it is and now somebody watching do in every place that you go in somebody can even get you off of that. Fine my iphone if they know your password and you thought about that. I hadn't thought about that. 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Roy Wood Jr. on 'dunks vs. stiff arms', Bill Burr, & Ice Cube

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Roy Wood Jr. on 'dunks vs. stiff arms', Bill Burr, & Ice Cube

"Before we get started with today's show wanted to tell you about another grady as being podcast baseball. Tonight with Busta owning is the number one baseball podcast. For reason, top executives managers players in the best analysis in the game follow along all postseason with new episodes every weekday be sure to check it out. You can download and subscribe to baseball tonight as well as the right time wherever you get your podcast. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani. Jones says well listening you get your podcast rate is review give us five dollars. You only give it four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are haters time a week where we have a guest joins us, and now check him out on the daily show comedy central. His name is Roy Wood Junior Roy was going on and I'm back you are back back like I never left it as it because we haven't left like we thought right after everything lockdown. Go although it's funny 'cause. Day what we about to do, and now it's like seven months. Later, we just look at each other like Oh. This is what we do I went to takes Jew and I can still go back to the thread see pre corona texts. In Brooklyn and get a drink so. I might be over on the east side both studios. Like straightened nothing. No, no, no, no, no, no now is wrapped. I've I've seen. So little of New York City in the last like. Because by CORA DIS our goal is three people like that's it is surreal. The only people rock with our parents because I know they got something to lose the younger kid safe. I feel yeah that's a good point. See. My thing is assuming you own an automobile know when we leave town we ran. Yeah See I. Don't have a car and I'm getting in a Uber I'm not getting on the train and so if you can't get to me in walking distance during the day, I K do nothing for you. You ain't touching the citi bike with gloves on Ya se. Bicycle Right. So if I need to bicycle somewhere, I could do that. But I April so far I'm willing to go on the bike bro I tried to buy a bike and then things has gone. Didn't things you don't hand sanitizer was hard to find. Try to find a bike doing. I tried, and then when you find one, they know you want one also reject up to cost yup bikes, podcast equipment and any toy for your kid my homeboy pointed this out to the night and I never thought about the ripple effect of this but because of the coronavirus and because of slow traffic. So a lot of fast food spots he was talking about how he counts on. McDonald's giving happy meal toys because it helps stretch out amount of between buying toys for his kids. and. Because there's no happy mood ain't been no happy milk because Wieman going out. So we making the rods pass McDonald's on the way home from practice or whatever he has to buy more because as kids get bored, they start fast I was like am I never thought about that the fact that the happy meal helps pants stretched adult a little longer. Yeah. That's a tough go because I was actually looking at. The day right 'cause one thing about these times is I spend a lot less money than I used to like I actually just had a moment a second ago Nike just released air rage remember air raids. Crossing, and I'd resolved that I by no more shoes I have not bought new shoes Derek because why not going anywhere and nobody nobody seeing me you know like this stuff but air raids came up and I tried to get him but the folk jumped autumn before I could like it but. You gotTa plug you plug level. You're supposed to have some nineteen year old who knows that world? Yeah. Like I'm plug ish but I'll be like. You know what I'm saying like I prefer to it ended of money for me to want to have somebody be like remember. Got You. WanNa marry raids like yeah. Already out also much need that you need to call quest love 'cause you know anything new get three pairs this is true like legit like this not ally like he gets one where one to sale want to collect Okay see this is my thing right as you say that he got the triple. Yeah he got triple plug but I'm looking at that day one in the middle and I'm like. Why Why why you sell shoes by? You don't need to be i. hear selling shoes like I get a cab. Oh, account going right and I it. I I got on it but I was like Oh. Man I look ridiculous take my. Money Jones will to you happy birthday. Yeah for free. Thing is I don't. Just. Because he winds up being a whole line of people because they how do you decide you know what I'm saying you pay your money okay. Cool. I decided to go ahead and do this. But I'm like I can't keep this money. Right go donated to a charity because I'm just like what I looked like taking twenty five dollars due happy birthday little. Did I know? I hear on Ebay I verified I'm verified seller you like quest loves flipping a pair of junior say al Air missions for fifty dollars uptick. We're talking about shoes with two hundred dollar retail. If if quest love got a hold of the pair in back to the futures Mardi flies. To three thousand dollars. That's a lot of money even by quest love standards and I ain't pocket watching I understand some people want us. Jerry Seinfeld thirty porsches in a garage in Manhattan. I get the collect part right the Kalimpong. Hustle part. That's You really been able to DJ parties like you used to. You know what I'm saying. He passed the point of being out here flippy shoes. Now, for the love man, it's like Marlowe in the y you gotta go back to the block you all this money. Actor like about bad with the tube was out here. flipper shoes. I, don't really know. Is it that Tuba outside tonight show Let me let me if we can. Before we get into what you the table that you set for your podcast today I meet your hips settling a quick discussion I had with a partner after the deer can re Josh Norman stiff arm yes. Into the mountain time zone yes Derrick Henry restrict that boy like stepdaddy stop. Stop talking me Marcia last sub boys. Assist what is more embarrassing as a professional athlete. To be stiff armed into oblivion or to be dunked on stiff. Stiff. Stiff stiff on. Here's why getting dull and is a very particular thing. Right? We've taken the term dunk dawn and then taking it to all these other places to use it as a metaphor for other examples of people being shamed and so forth and so on. The stiff arm is actually kind of the opposite where we do not have to take the stiff arm and related to other things in life. We can have things in life and the stiff arm relates to them and is one particular thing in life that I'm referring to end his moment and that's getting Bush and this. Is the next level of the Mush right I imagine I just Bush's What is the what stiff arm? You don't see a much anymore but wait the dude is basically slaps you in the face. Correct some of the. Reggie. White. Yes club you to the Yes my argument though for the dunk is that no one gets stiff armed and ending up on somebody's poster when someone dunks on you, it is immortalized forever. The play stops eighty percents when you get duck down, there's a foul. So the place tops. So now everybody is you will at least would've stiff arm. The play is still in progress. You don't have to live in that embarrassment as much I. Think the farmers more demeaning but I think the long-term embarrassment I think it's the dump man i. just think it's controlled but just the embarrassment of somewhat and waiting given into balls flying the head in just a man's genitals on your that's not the case with every dark. Yes. But some dunks genitals to forehead is involve. Yeah. Yeah. But I want you to keep this in mind right? I was just thinking about this maybe you. Remember this maybe not but with adult have you ever seen somebody get injured when they got on because I've actually never seen somebody get injured in don't own at the same time which I imagine would have to be the worst situation in world right but I can't think of anybody I've seen injured and dunked on at same time I was saw Brett farve break. Dan Morgan's a leg stiff army hip bread for Brent, right? Right not earl Campbell all right not Bo Jackson that Jim Brown bread for stiff arm damn. Mortgage Hashtag white on white crime can broke dead dues leg. Stiff work. Yeah I can't. Think the stiff arm is actually white wild underrated, and as a metaphorical level that deepens the players always point out which is we don't get to hit them in here but they get to hit us in the head, which then gives the stiff arm. Another parental level to would it is. Authority figure. Yeah. Okay. I can do this to you. Don't you dare think about doing. That was a real for Josh to orbit like because you and I haven't talked about this. But one of the things in my life that I take great pride in never been dunked I've dumped one time in a live action gay whisks almost got killed. No never been dumped all. It is very ill. Bela on everything. That's the point I'm trying to make you didn't play. You didn't commit to the play. That's fine. I'm okay with that that's a trade I've made. I'm not bragging about the fact that I've never ducked on as a testament to my athletic glory. I am saying I had never been dumped on as a testament to this big old brain I made the call awhile ago the district itself that I wouldn't apart and I'm the perfect height to get dumped on while not really being able to dunk like that, and that's just not i. don't feel like. That's aware for me, and so I'm bailing every time somebody's coming to duck on me. That's just what it is not have now happen stiff art and that was that was a humbling experience. Why can't you just grabbed the arm and take them down? That's what makes the stiff arm. So crazy the in theory I she just you're offering me party your body I should be able to just grabbed it. Yeah Except to try to get your head out the way but you'd ever K. Ed ed they also think a part of the staff for that. We talked about as we marvel at the athleticism of all of these athletes is that I imagine subdues like boxers got quicker hands subdued is what they'd had the stiff are but the quick stiff arm like there's gotta be be defenders like dog. Next thing I knew he was hitting the interface Yes Jab Jab the following year that's the that's the. Said Bee's modes. You and I have talked about the jam because we've gone to a boxing match together. The JAB is the most underrated thing in pro sports like when you watch. TV. The Jab just gotTa look like something to kill the time. Just gotTa push it dude away man you go sit on the on the fifth row you want God that was a quick pat. It's the lightning. Slap your Mama give you at a red light. Yes. It's not a full whooping. It ain't no fool reach back 'cause it's close quarters but the couple inches between you and your mom on the driver side. Okay. They shouldn't get into quickly pop it'll stink. Up about it like this, like was somebody got a towel and he spent at a it didn't they hit you with it. Now you think about how fast that goes and how the poppy is. Now imagine somebody could generate that same level of. With with it went a wash cloth with a hand towel. Dana Haymakers you're heading like fly back. Well. Don't their heads are going to fly back our heads would suddenly be paying buckets. I just I don't know I just feel I feel so bad every time I see a grown man get dunked on in people talk about it forever like the fact that Patrick Ewing Scottie Pippen that is forever part of unions. Legacy is getting dunked on by Pippin there in a d be in the hall of fame that they're going to show. You remember that time dion beyond ambitious to get manhandled at the line the out on the corner blitz for alignment is wanted to toss his ass he could. Never talk about that doesn't have a show that is the most memorable play, Apache you is career hall of Famer one of the greatest players ever pro and in college I can't think of any other Patrick Ewing play I remember by like neighbor play involving Patrick Ewing. That's the one. And all he did was rotate on defense and try to defend the basket. The recipes big job. That's his fault had to out there. Big Say what you want about big job big. I had to do that there challenge every shot and three dudes in my life that I could think of getting dumped onto most or Patrick Ewing Alonzo boarded at kipp. Bay. About because they had the late yet they had to complete opposite. Sketches covid for everything, right all of them getting to work in their fearlessness in it that you have to reward will. Their peers are not rewarding them I I I. I'm not saying they bad people I'm just saying that they was raised in a way that I would not have raised them. So passionate, just pipping get drunk and go and get back up the floor transition Scotty banged on him pushed him down put them fangs over his face their wealth over to spike lead until. Instead. Down you. Yes patch it just let them have to point. That's what I'm saying because about. Two point three, right he actually made things worse. Yeah, he gotTA. Take. I. Don't know if the Knicks made the bucket on the other side somebody tried to argue that nutmeg and soccer is on that same level and I'm like shut up, it's now saying Oregon like nutmeg is more comparable to a crossover dribble yes. Yes. Exactly. Like we talk about trickery. Physical domination we talk about. Iverson. Crossing over Jordan in the context of the greatness of Iverson. We talk about you again doto by pippen not like, wow look how high Scottie got as much as jam. He ain't at the dorm like that while you push them down. into the grow. Yeah I see curious like that met too many of you and teams. We had John starks on HQ once amid oak at the office, like are we showed him do is really like Patrick Ewing because all that talk about how tough the knicks were and everything else. Nobody windfall pip over that in the heart, it was supposed to be the hardest Eric. Deccan. That was some Josh Jackson I'm saying they needed to be some some some more Oakley should have just walked over right then just own some land just onsite code cut we have to fight I'm asking you why not? Try. To fight you and got up John Jack and of swinging but he yo leader you can't afford to lose him. You know Mace. I thought Mace would live for moments like does feel like he did I mean granted not in that moment say in that moment I feel like they let the captain down when was the the Charlie Ward? Body slammed that was a couple years later. Ese was yes it was Charlie Yeah Yeah PJ Charlie, Ward upside out. Charlie. Ward have more heart than all the mother Knicks and he tried to bring pj Brown down and of course it's the next playoff series but you know he went for. He went forward. So you saying Charlie Ward and that moment more heart than anybody. During the Scottie Pippen that's right. Charlie Ward is a barely six foot tall football player generally, you don't want to. You don't want no with those dudes although I can say say, which is Norman you you and your own life don't want those problems with Josh Norman but dare can read the just giantism man relative to his job in the world. No. biggie. I think. That's why Charlie rushed him though because it's a football mentality on the court. Yeah. You Know Mad Charlie Ward had to be to try to fight you like. As if you haven't met Charlie sermon passing until I in tell us, writing time but. Not on some just sit down chop it up now. All right. In fact, my sister was the maid of Honor in Charlotte Awards wet and one of the nicest things I remember my says the do it for me into listening really that long was she took me to the summit once when the Knicks came because Charlie gotta tickets reason the tunnel got an autograph and all of that stuff and that's not a man looking to fight. Man, he's trying to go to church like that. That's that's what he's just trying to do. He's just easiest drought live in honor his savior that's all the about. That's where he is as over him to reach that point where he's like damn I gotta take them down like he really really got father God told me to get the staff and I rot father guy though what these cats calling me a sucker you know what I mean. He went for and then that was shot awards. One of those by the way how we going explain dot kids what Mossy Charlie Ward was a college. They'll never understand it's like trying to I tried to explain Tommie Frazier. To somebody who was talking about Trevor Lawrence ability and I'm like. That was dude in Nebraska. He could slang that thing seventy yards on off his back foot. Now Man I'm telling you man trump lines his future heathen. Yeah. Yeah. I it's the same. It's the same people who are arguing. I don't even know if I want even bring this to your podcast because it's such a disrespectful opinion titans twitter is all up in arguing with each other because somebody said that Ryan Tannehill is the best quarterback to team has ever had. And speed McNair disciples. Coming out. And you know in VP super, bowl but we know the resume but then they're arguing that McNair only through for thirty seven hundred in the end they're like, oh, it's a different game also McNair had Eddie, George. So that argument is happening as an aside then I was also trying to explain to people if Steve McNair had been at a division one program and a Guidon, the media looks that he deserved like it wasn't until late into his senior year that national sports news who's The one touchdown run like when I got a early early as senior year they did but it was still like a novelty. Three years into right didn't care might it's so many great college quarterbacks that people just forget about or to get to the pros and you judge the totality of their career on what they did at the professional level like young restricted to what he was. You know McNair I'm not really trying to never keep remind me near also overcome Jeff Fisher. So I'm not I tried to hear. That noise from them. Let me take about Tommie. Frazier me and my man spence talking about this the other day forgotten because Spencer went to Florida wind brass destroyed them in the fiesta bowl to think it was sixty to two, twenty four, and the level that people forget is that frazier's that even Bradenton from one of them Florida spots now keep in Mind University of Florida least far. As I can tell like with Charlie. Ward. The first black quarterback, Florida state because I think he was and I don't think Florida had a black quarterback before Chris League I know Steve Spurrier was never put no black quarterbacks out there in Miami they had Ryan. What's his name? I think is Ryan Collins whatever he got in there in the early nineties. But like when when Tommie Frazier was coming out of school. These schools did not have like four schools, black quarterbacks, and none of them recruited him to play quarterback anyone's in Brassica, and of course, was the greatest option quarterback of all top right. But Africa got that late in that Game Nebraska was going empty backfield. Nebraska. was going four five wide receivers just oh Tommy, phrase you could throw the ball on these Berg. Running Jessica just so he Couldn't throw the ball watch pool here it is. No No, no that ninety five Nebraska T I mean they had to do a whole lot to mega happened but tommie frazier is still probably my vote for the Best College quarterback that I've ever seen, and now we're at that point in our lives Roy telling the kids like Joe noted by Tom Fraser who's that? We. Put up a seat. Tell Award Bucket Number Three Board of man is slinging this thing. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like. You want to know the best part about college football anything can happen long as you have the drive whether you're on the field or on the edge of your seat goodyear. Once you embrace the unexpect- take every epic upset touchdown fourth quarter Comeback Strive, and let it move you no matter what the season throws your way good years here to help you drive over visit goodyear dot com find what moves you. Brought it up a little early. I'm just curious about you because I think it may be different with kids I'm saving so much money in quarantine. So much money like I run most of my expanded tools through one car right and I went and check that called and we in the Middle October and that bill for that call is half is less than half what it was last year. All right. So Am I saving money during quarantine? Yes. Because I'm travelling less. Yes that's a big part to hear. A lot of my expenditures travel. No. In the ear to I order carry out more. I'll start there. Yeah. If I was more disciplined about groceries, I, think I could really see some savings but. There's days man where you got to choose between sleep or cooking. Like I love cooking on. You know I, love to eat in your girl got her own thing going so I don't want you to have to cook every night though grow your business, right? Yeah. But then the cost of that is that you got to order food. You start ordering food. To three nights a week. A month groceries by if you freak it right in New York, you can get a month worth of groceries for three nights at least two weeks worth of groceries. That they already kicking it like that I'll carry out right. So thousand that did not yeah, it did it did that increase I've actually doing more cooking now than I was doing it. I'm probably. Getting less. I'm spending more on food because I'm not cooking as much is probably the biggest thing outside of that. Yeah you wanted to why really save money I renew my lease. My God. I walked in there like the mob your what. What did you renew now I might lease was up in the middle of quarantine. Best case scenario coach Oh broke I walked up in. Dane. Like a man with options I was like listen this was gonNA happen. I got all these other apartment buildings trying to get at me. So what you GonNa do is giving me two free months. I can't produce none of my daily show stuff over at the studio. So that do just quit. Yeah. I'M GONNA need to get his office to FAM-. Shoot podcast and stuff in otherwise I'm dip in for a three bedroom. And Data I. Don't there was a scene in minister society were dog in the alley talking to the crack kid cry kids trying to do whatever we can. Get. Some money Oh, whatever like please leave. The landlord don't leave leave it got to keep you baby bad I gotta cut it mine right? Like I bought a major cut well yeah I got like but now that the rents are like really falling is a little bit of a different situation. I didn't have the leverage at the time in part because it was. So this was my hold up. It was so difficult to go look at places like I couldn't trust your video tour you know in all of that stuff but not the landlord like ain't nobody nobody felt like he more Jews in world in a landlord in New York, city? To, the wirewood McNulty, toss about how a because. Dictatorships beat cop now man being a landlord in New York? It's just like Yo somebody else go come in here and they're gonNA pay all this money. Now that's not really what's going on right now. The morning I has in in I know I got him because they look at me funny when I see him out in the hallway. At the building. At you get them you you get him to cut. Why should get your landlord about the balls and you get him to cut? Bill. Be Smiling at you in the hallway no more. Hit, US. Is I have gleaned anything about my landlord. It is that my landlord is. Rich by Lord would like to collect this money for me, but it's really not that big of a deal like the first after I got the keys. Brahma buddy overcome check out the place like before I moved in I was still corporate housing and then we went on the roof and it turns out that the landlord I guess she is also the landlord I don't WanNa say the landlord's wife because I feels incorrect Mrs Landlord was next door with neighbors and they heard as they go come on. So I met her in is an Australian woman. They are an Australian couple and I looked down at her hand. No? No. No. These these people they liked to get my check but it's not that big a deal. I got in here. You know like them art hangers that like the thin bars. They go across dogs like five six some men here like dim joints it. Yeah you don't put no pain on bad boys that ain't no ten thousand dollars I. Got Me One fancy painting in here. In case you're wondering because ten thousand dollars I'll put it up on a nail. It is it is not same situation. Is there like they? They was really tripping all and all me too hard. They came back a little tougher than I expected to there is this is one that I rented from in Los Angeles to the point of rich landlords. She literally never came back to America. The Eh time that I rented from her, she just hate only Roy. The sink it's a kosher sink. Please keep my sink kosher. That was. Nice Israeli woman it was just like yeah don't mix this to read up on it because you. Know there was such a thing me neither I didn't know until I rented from this place all keep keep the meat over here to cheese over here, keep the dairy over I. You know what fine I'm going to do that. I don't WanNA get your place. No Bad Juju. Followed him rules is what man when you got we have landlords that live out of town pretty much the thing the further your landlord live away from the property the more stress free your residential experience is going to be, yes. The closer you Orlando at lives to you we had our landlord lived around the corner when I was in Tallahassee. And then he moved the maintenance man in next door to us, and so we live in like like it was like it was eight townhouses altogether he owned all. townhouses and the maintenance man just didn't do all day sit on the porch and drink, but you couldn't complain because he worked technically. And he he was accused his cat. You did eight years for possession as bad break and so you know I it was he was given us game. You know we nineteen twenty years. Old is brothers in his early fifties. So it was like having a Granddad but it was also having granddad that would just come over. This was the beginning of Sunday ticket prices I don't know ninety, nine, two, thousand, right so direct TV is like the new thing the concept of watching all the games and having access to all the Games was new he found out that we have. Sunday ticket and this. would be in a house like just with the key. Yeah. Came over the water heater. So you'll head the game it will I. If. You don't get out. But you can't be mean because he lives next door. We awarded heat. A really does go out. This is who you're going to have to call. You know what man gone on enjoy your beer. The game. It was like having a fifth year roommate Bro Bay for the fifth. Low. Og Advice on deck whenever you need it og advice on debt. Also, I need to watch out TV 'cause I got cable in the game on and I just so happened to be Arizona cardinals fan who is Arad Zola cardinals fan is from Saint Louis Up I. We never asked I've been less I knew about him to better all. That he was in Pensacola and his words not mine messed around with the Mike Girls and got my eight years. But I'm back. Those white girls but that white girl I don't know. I don't know. You don't ask for clarification from Og's us. Let him run they mouth. He got arrested for possession of a white woman. Night he got arrested for possession of white girl has a different thing. When you say white girls, we're talking multiple bricks. Girls. Girls. That is overlap into the slaying category where I feel like you said, blaming it on white women, but he really talks about White Girl I. Don't think he's a racist I'm pretty sure it was cocaine. Yeah. Yeah. But it was just the way he said it. On Your nineteen I was like damn. You can get eight years for being around the white woman. Now, bad girl. A spirit of white women are you with? Bill Burr Y'ALL YA. Oh Yeah. Bills to partner man we went We did the Patrice O'Neal benefit earlier this year. So there was a little bit of its snl monologue. You could see seeing. Out of all, that's what he was going. Where did I see was gone on with we get a movie together with Jimmy Yang said entertainer yoga amount expressed built meals. Yeah I met bill one time I used to do radio in Raleigh probably know Charlie good night's comedy club up there, and so whenever they'd have somebody in town, you know they put them on sports radio station and actually I met him after the show because they put us all and I think the first time that I had like been around a comedian like just not where they were in. Like he was at the club, but he was in, did my set mode as opposed to like I'm entertaining people wild like to watch the self analysis a going back in his mind checking everything in the set and everything else. But I remember about a radio show and he was like he's like. Obama right was a man. I gotTA come back tomorrow. You know what I'm saying like you you comics drop these bombs and then you just go to another town issue pressure I like I like that I don't let us say life as you like down to let y'all live by a different set of rules. Let me live by the same ones as everybody else but that's a lie about a hearing that room unsure of what they were supposed to do. Wait he dropped the ball on the white ladies not to be confused with White, girl? That was the reaction was funny jokes. It was all true in. It was all very fair. And I know that people are mad on the misogynistic side of things because burr used the B word referring. To White Women, and this is what he does. You know it's not to defend the misogyny part of it but to me in that instance, you have to know where the joke is coming from. You have to know what the heart of the joke is and bird to me has always been a comic that's been on that side of with et issues concern. Had A beef with him. I ain't concerned with him in the fact that and this is something that somebody on twitter pointed out. That are like was that at no point did he bring up having a black wife to justify defend use it as a shield is like no this is how I feel in if Y'all disagree come at me have added that they love the most is at burs entertainment. You notice everybody has something to say about Bill Burr city Yeah. That the set and I'll do some more stuff tomorrow because is a thing if you watch enough bill Burr, you gonNa find something you disagree with a same with any median, you can't hang your whole head of. Victory. Dream. But I don't know man I just think that at the end of the day demand made some jokes they were rooted in truth and Y'all mad because you know a lot of it was true. Yeah. I see I seattle. Think I. I there is an argument obviously about massage. I'm not going to be the person to tell somebody right like how they tolerate being called like I don't feel like it's appropriate for me to do such a thing because that's fighting words for me and I am not a woman right so like I leave it on that part however many people they about no damn side like that while w the place that you could go. Hi, it'd be like. I've watched that show enough is enough comedy and seeing the way it goes over when people use comedy routines. The noted that is not a place where people wind up drawing the line. Now, what happened was he hit him right in the truth right in and it was just like Eddie Eddie. You said he's so unapologetic about his set the definitely especially here's that I watch the thing I like about breweries bursts starts off with a concept generally that sounds absolutely absurd and then by the time you're done, you're like Oh. Okay. I see. I see where you would go it but you start off with hey, but he like you know. You still why do from Boston like I'm not so much tolerating off. Okay. It wound up coming through. Okay. I'm still think people should go back and watch his have you seen his legendary Philadelphia rant where he's getting booed and Philadelphia but he has to do ten minutes I have not all my God. All, you listen to that. It's OPIE and Anthony show the back story. Was that you know open anthony at the time their fans were super rowdy. This is probably eight Berg is in the same ballpark. So he was definitely don't give up. At the time and they booed pretty much every comedian but a comedian knows in order to get your check you have to attack. You cannot leave the stage because then contractually they'll use that to justify paying. So even if you're getting booed don't lead stage and bird tried to do a joke and then just immediately just started snapping on the crowd and insulted him and then he told this the part that stood out he said, Philadelphia. So racist, you read the have a statue of Rocky instead of Joe Louis WHO's actually Joe Frazier phrases from you like it was they started clapping and by the end, he's the only comedian I've seen in turn a boo into applause break in close and it was fascinating. Fascinating I just think that was. Is at no point after burs monologue is there ever? Consideration for having dialogue about the points the he brought up it's just should he have said that was he Amini? Well wait a minute. Let's dissect racial accountability. Let's have that conversation because the crazy thing is that I don't feel like bursted anything that was wildly outside the parameters of things that some black entertainers have said in the past if you if you if you put up the. Was concentric circles. All. Here if you lay burs white woman set of SNL concentric circles against Dave, Chapels Im- until material, which was also about a white woman having accountability and live in hiding after doing she did. Lake which is the part about calling police on black people there was no dialogue you know in Greenwich Chapelle is you know he's his own separate solar system. So there's so much more to dissect from when he doesn't our but I just think sooner or later we gotta be having real conversations about the stuff that comedians bring up instead of having A. Conversation about whether or not they should suited. Yeah. Well, here's what I also happened with Berg, which is why I don't take us seriously right you know what I'm saying they laughing up all the black guy doing a funny Rudeina about why but they love with the the says it's funny because it's true right like it kind of gets to that plates. Bill Burr. The white man and even if people don't realize that they do this, consciously a white man is to be respected and taken seriously in a different way than a black person is and so when that white man got up there said if people like, Oh wait a minute right like I feel like self-consciously people know that when they hear even bill burr is like Oh wait A. Minute, and it didn't feel like a joke to them. Right? It felt like I felt like a like what he said come sit next to me and get your talking to and they felt like they gotta talk to from somebody that they had to look Indiana and that's why I was so important because even if people disagree with Burr, even if you think bird didn't say it the right way. Him Sane automatically carries more gravity than a black person saying and that's worthwhile to the conversation and getting the conversation going in the right direction into the right place. They're Gucci. Booted feet. That was the part that got me was the actual step over in the Lai Guja seat 'cause. Do. In discussions of quote, Unquote White People Quote Unquote White Women Very oblate you remember that had website and that stuff white people like website remember the problem was it was about a very particular subset of white people you know to be like it. It was about a very bourgeois upper middle class. Sweater Yeah Yeah to the White House I grew up going to school with. These white people that they were talking about if people like Kinda make this way when they start talking about white women, they are talking largely about a very particular like set of white people. Those white people here talking about is actually I think far more interesting if you like carved out as a subset because we are talking about people who have lived like incredibly privileged lives right angle fight the white women as out here like now man I'm down here doing bad you. You're right like where I got in front of right were like, yeah you're right I get you but that was. Talking about it. I'm like Oh. Yeah. which me do you ever wonder I guess this might be a better question. To ask a person but we're so on the precipice of change in this country or at least being aware that we need to change. You have one black person that goes white people need to go learn an an combat go learn about what's going on ain't my job to educate you and then you have people. That black people that do take on to try to educate and show you know what's happening. People. White people to be quiet. This is our moment. The people tell the white people use your voice speak up like which black person do you listen to? The waiver. Question because. All they need is the opinion to one generally to be representative of the largest sample and then go from there. But you're right there are many schools of thought, and it's funny because I feel like I've been. Number five because I don't know what to wipe out of this trip yeah. You do have to go educate yourself when people put it into an abuse analogy that's when it really hit home for me in the sense that it's not the victim's responsibility to help the abuse learn how to stop abusing. Yes and I don't bonus perfect within this plenty of experts you can go seek out there's plenty of books you can go read he'll go watch hidden figures it ain't much but it's a start. CARE even if you don't want to dive into the Duvalier real. Start out with the Disney civil. Rights. And Work your way up to win they see us. Man I, feel like I don't get everything right on matters of gender and. Sexual Orientation, for example, right. But I've been under the boot of enough that I can understand at the very least what it's like to be considered the quote unquote other was wild to me is when you deal with white women in particular. Because they are on the other side of a hierarchy, right they they are under a boot in the same way I don't understand how this other stuff is so complex to you except for the fact that you actually believe this stuff like to me, the problem that we have is not so much about white people not being educated on the matters. It's about white people not realizing that they believe that they better than us harsh up another layer to that is that I think there are some white women out there who don't see or agree with the perspective because they're still suffering under the. Patriarchy. So right if you're a victim is hard to see yourself as an aggressor in another construct, which I think is also, if you want even go even deeper I think that's a lot of the issues between black men and black win where black men never take time to realize what they're doing to hurt black women because they too busy being under the the white man and look this boot look at this boot. Don't even realize your foot is on somebody else's neck as well. Right? That's a huge one that we see. Basically they want to feel like a winner somewhere right as they. Crazy to be all day at at work I come home. It's all crazy that somebody else identifier. Some todd about. Black man come home I'm tired of Sally and Ball Celebi come home it cuts out to make. It's like nine man got. You gotta carry yourself better than and that requires learning and that's hard and that's the thing man I talked about this a couple years ago. Issues. Just, don't want to learn. It is a chore to go and Educate Yourself. It was hard when when he was paying to be educated. School it was hard to go learn but now. People just don't lazy people are lazy and it's a ton of cash. You can get a book on tape you ain't gotta turn pages no more man. That is where we are with the HOMEO- Shea Oh. You can this is the thing about cube because I've seen everybody be so disappointed and I'm like if you go back and listen to America's most wanted district getting killed I will he sounds a lot like the dude on twitter a lot like what when you started sending out to crazy means this year I was like Oh. So the thing is his political sophistication is exactly what it was nineteen ninety-one it has a change. Jewish people have all the money. Screwed as politicians. Yup. But I'll never have dinner with the President I never have dinner with the president. I, never have been with the President I contend if we want to be fair to keep right there was one slight difference between this and that right because cube somehow believes like I'm actually more bothered by the audacity to believe that you ice cube had the agenda for Black America that like that's GonNa. That's GonNa fix the game right who eats all too but he believes he has it. Okay. So the man They need to check this out. All right. All Right I. got you. I see where it is that you coming from I think there's a difference between Cindy Oh agenda to the president Iran with Jerry Heller go hang out with I. Think it was George Bush right? That's where at least you was walking his old self through the front door. Easy was the plus what I'll say this I respect you for not pulling a Steve Harvey and going Obama told me to go this is. At least it's just like, yeah, it was me. And I did it. In I just wish that I wish that are black people that have the attention of the trump administration. Would take a moment to speak with other black people that are more verse on the topics that have really been dealing with these topics and these aren't sexy names. They don't live flashy lifestyles, but there are a lot of people that are super educated on the issues that could have Sabah Q I even if you still don't go holler trump. The cute I went. Hey, man did not going to give us five hundred whatever the number is Africa dot the number because I don't believe it was a five, hundred, million was a five hundred, billion flag s it was Jillian Gillian Villian deleon Hey ice cube. They're never going to do that I. Know they're saying they're going to do it. Will the Democrats said that they not doing. That they will they'll tell us after the election either way you're buying into trust if trump ain't cutting checks before November third which he ain't did all you've got his lip service from both sides. So you still got nothing all the Democrats did was seeing you to voicemails we'll call you back November four and that's not enough for him. So he runs and does this I just don't think. In it's GonNa take him learning. Yeah. so He's going to see That that's not going to come to fruition. I. Just feel like there is a lot of things that are happening on the back side of this administration that are detrimental to black people. A lot of black people you know light brother. Highs Cube. Aren't taking into consideration somebody's going. Yeah. I'll give your money. But. Down the daily show wrote, which pain is I just wish that the black entertainers. Who have trump's attention would talk to other black people first. Before walking some plan that dating constructed, and then why call it the platinum plan. That is a two, thousand four. You know what I'm saying case Sadie wear plaid him in the streets. Now is about small expensive chains it is not about like giant superheavy expensive chains as much as it is like that. That was that was my bag right now is day I. Why? Why has got to beat a why gotTa beat a platinum plaque? I'll say this also. I am for any black person who is motivated enough to try to do something. That they believe is beneficial. To the betterment of I raise however. There has to be educated folks leading the conversation of people that are verse in the conversation and not doing things that are knee jerk, and I just think what ice cube did. His knee jerk man. Yeah. But I think that gives me back to where I was is the same level of sophistication as he had in Nineteen ninety-one Mike in it I feel this is I kinda wondering about that people man yeah he does he does but I also wonder about this right like maybe some of this plays a little differently for cubeys from new. York. Instead of being from La Right because what he did was he went basically from Compton to the record industry to the movie industry okay These well-versed people that you come across in your travels because you've got greater access to them, of course is Q. But. You know it's about New York man you somebody say having a dinner in New York may you mess around a show up and hotel in like who might show up at their bad boy? You might wind up with somebody who has been nominated for a Nobel prize. Just tell who's GonNa be dead table. WHO INVENTED ATM's? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like like I did that once I went to a dinner was guys what do you do when he's being goes I started chipotle oh? Okay. Got You know one day I think that might turn into somebody. But that habits. But in La, you wind up with somebody that's like trying to make a little bread you right somebody that's just kind of a round in a fan or whatever it is but it doesn't sound like a cat like that has really had as you put. It had any obsessed with anybody that's particularly versed on these matters and then you look at it and you say you the trump administration will listen to people who were more verse than I'm like they not in a position to be picking and choosing their black people they case case in no black person away. This is they WANNA help they're like Oh. Yeah. Whatever like Yo yo another one another one we got. Eight. We also did this to ourselves Ma and I say that in the sense that disappointed in him, like do people who are mad at him a disappointed and again they are trying to you let them tell it reconcile it with what he was on record and I'm telling those people. If you go back and listen to the records, you will see he's the same person like this. About Kanye, you go back and listen to college dropout, and then you go listen to the life of Pablo with people like what happened to conde his circumstances change. He did not everything about him. That is there in that first record is there just in a different way into two thousand sixteen. His circumstances just changed right? Like we figured all was too big and then once he gets big, it'll settle all this other stuff. No actually he got big and now he's still mad because that's just the kind of dude that happens to be and that's kind of why I feel like we wound up here we cue my question would you and maybe you can help me out because you work in entertainment you go back and listen and early cube albums and it's got like I am amazed that you were ever able to get a movie made. He had a track on the war and peace album called a noble a record company Piven, and it's a song that every music artists should listen to. It literally breaks down the record industry and how terrible and horrible. He's literally coming after an entire corporation like no one's comfort a record industry like that since Steve Jobs traded items and somehow he still number one still alive. Yes. The two he still is giving access to capital two. Hundred million but Kevin Hart plus the sequel. And it's also the reckless anti-separatism like. All kinds how are you still here I believe in you know I can't speak for his brother Jackson but I believe though what drove that feeling? Here's what I want to believe as I attempt to redeem someone that I've held in high regard. I, want to believe that ice cube mate this choice because you look at the suffering of your people feel like there was no other choice. It was the this or die. We know that that isn't the only choice but I hope that hopelessness drove him to that choice and not ignorance well, other than there's another level. Would you wind up with very often with cats like you've and the kinds of people that he is over the past few decades like ideologically kind of aligned himself with is they kind of feel like all white folks say? By right or wrong that's they're like the difference between Democrats and Republicans to them not different enough to be like, okay. Will I'm not going to work with this people like I remember once Farrakhan One? Says he's asked about the confederate flag, the federal flag stands for slavery to confederate flag stands racism at all of these things. So forth and so on in his argument, was you same thing about the? American flag by which way and I'm not saying, I'm not saying whether or not. This outlook is writer all but I'm saying that cats like cube they do not differentiate between the two parties in the ways that a lot of other people do they see them as being even though there are obvious differences between the two they see them as being fundamentally to say correct you know voting still boils down to. Are you voting for yourself or you voting for the betterment of? Society. Because the issue is that black people are often constantly ass to put their issues to the side for the betterment Well, this guy doesn't really Rockwood your agenda. He's got a lot of good ideas. They will get wicked quick. Could you next time right? Next Time Oh sorry about that last night with the gadget. This time. and. Who got us now? And it's like when you just been in line at the DMV forever and you think somebody about to open up a new window. The grocery store and Can a register For an open register man, don't get out. As a moment to sly you're going to. Go all the way to the bay. Don't do that. Now she left a badge, they're gonNA get it before she leaves and I'm just action oriented voter. Just, put it that way. have. You already Sandia ballot. Are you going you going to mail you go in person how you going do I. GotTa go down to Alabama see going on and thankfully. We're we'RE GONNA drive? I don't want to drop my my mood changed because I've made the fifteen and a half hour trick. Already wants. This year. and. And I am and I give them a girl credit. She helps me Dr fell as you get warm and get your woman that help you drive. At least a third, she drove a third of fifteen hours as. That's love. I'll do the whole team. We'll take it back. Oh, to row comedy I'm not afraid to. But also got you a baby in the car. Let's not crash but that's about to say that's with the little homie low tell man you start downloading enough to their tablet him educational games. Got that Paul patrol he good anti Luchino about his p breaks three exits before you need to get off the freeway. He train he's not potty trained road train train. So yeah, I'M GONNA get down get back Alabama and get all this stuff figured out and I don't WanNa be nowhere near America's streets on election day I have no interest whatsoever in being a most people in none of that is on top of maybe catching the Kuti's I feel he's GonNa be real tense out here I'll read WanNa do that I'm figuring away route I thought about being a poll worker. Like maybe you know working like Madison. Square or something like that. But I, know that I'm probably going to be needed for work because we're going to be live on election night. But. Then also I was thinking how Nesta would it be to catch corona on voting date? That's just yeah. I as I not there's the if obamacare on, let it be. You know on a plane flying to get to go get some money. Don't let it be. You know but. Of. The Nation. It's okay to try to get this bread but were trying to say democracy headed up for you. Is. This gotta be another way I gotta go to work. I'm sorry. I've looked into it I. did ask like I I really it's. It's eat. Netflix. It's Eden, but I don't know how I can do that and fulfilled my obligations to the daily show. Maybe that's where I'm supposed to be put money. Maybe that's how I saved the nation on television. Yes. Yes I say stuff like. Yeah. I'm totally about that. Right my mom, my voice voice is my weapon. Absolutely. Have step away from Jay Z by presses charity, but it's not quite there yet. Right it's just it's just a little bit like we're getting. We're getting halfway there I'm just stopped at people mad people test people angry off understandable reasons. This economy is actually about to your far worse because he's numbers about the jump up and we got morons in various places that are open everything backup. So to airbag die one time I don't I don't want no parts of it but the we the election man I don't really want to be amongst nothin I. Don't let me forget I got I. Got Enough Time to get them days off of work. I don't feel like I should have to come. Do you think his a bigger question? I should ask you this at the top of the show, which season is less likely to complete college football or NFL College football which one is more likely to finish NFL NFL NFL likely to finish I think NFL is more likely to finish I. Guess it all depends on what we mean by finish. Right 'cause here's the thing about it is going to be be April. Yeah. Going to be a college football playoff I'll know who the hell over the in it. There's only four teams left playing is going to be a fourteen playoffs. You'll be whoever cova, there's harangue. Come on. START, it's starting to get wild all over the place and this was totally predictable Nick Sabin went off and got it right like we could all see this coming people I go. What are they going to do? This shouldn't be what are they going to do? They should already had a plan for this because this is all totally foreseeable with the NFL. Yes. They will have that Super Bowl in ninety five degree weather in June if that's what it comes down to just money going get got mad so I argue that college is more likely to finish because. I think the NFL could stop if there's enough. Cases All at the same time and then you keep pushing pushing pushing right but college football more money starved than the NFL the NFL at like they ain't got it. But they got look chump change in the back pocket in Gingrich to Dope Baker stretch that money out and live. Eat. Hot pockets full year bring the League back nature these colleges you know some of them. Some of there will be some. Yeah. Some of them won't be around next year but what they we keep in mind. Yeah, what we gotta keep him Outta by the NFL though as you say in that is correct. They got a little bit more money the league. But the players are different situation right and so the difference for the NFL and college is in the NFL, the dudes only get paid if they play. In, college they get paid the same out whether they play or they don't play. I have been amazed I just like to think and I'm not saying my momma loves me more than Y'all's Mama's love y'all, but I would like to do. My Momma would have made it abundantly clear to play football was a horrific idea that probably would not be doing that anymore by you know they gave. You all the autonomy and world when I was in college. But still feel like they would have been real like Nah. I don't think that's what you need to be doing it. All sound like nobody's had that tall would these casting playing college football right now not a single person has said my mom said I can't play and that blows my mind because the parents are justice gun the kids. The parents still right their parents were fighting to make them was a Texas high school football they will air. You might not start impairs was like, Oh, no, you won't you don't. So parents justice is out. There is the kids and then the kids still think plus it's the only thing you've ever known. Yeah. If there was something out there that kept you from talking into a microphone like let's just say corona only came through microphones right now it'd be rough would bow money who needs a microphone every day you gotTa have your. Exit. Lars. You've got to have a live lighten subway got to set up a bull. Would you still want to come to work every day? Oh No actually I can tell you that right now hale now I've taken breaks. Did he think I've learned is reporting that I've done in the last few months about what was going on with the players and trying to get themselves from rights and stuff like that is that the greatest weapon that schools have is the schools have the football fields night these these dudes in this age in particular really really really really. Really, want to play football. You know like being without it is something that they're not prepared for, and that's GonNa be the hardest thing for them to ever get anything. There's aren't that many people who were down to not play anymore if it comes down to it and not even necessarily because they trying to go to the league just trying to play football is what they do is fundamentally who they are in their own minds and that's Kinda the saddest thing of all. Yeah. That's what they do. Latinos knows I have not missed stand up comedy I did one week of outdoor shows in early. October and that was my first time onstage since February and I'm right back in my hermit whole. Online law. You know let me just keep doing these charity get out and vote shows over zoom. Yes. Yes. no need to lead house more. This is why I save money just in case something like this happens like this really would've gone do bad. This is why you stack braid you never know when to has gone come here, but it's also important. I'd like to say you know real quick black people get you a white friend would a bunker You. Know is important in these times especially post-election. To know someone that has some sort of end of WORL- lodging. Already set up. Because we ain't got it I, don't. Even got a pantry yet let alone a bunker. Roy. They not. I don't care what they tell you at your sounded like you now al Qaeda. What they tell you before the war starts, they had not let new in their bunker This definitely some interesting people in this world. Gripper, what's GonNa happen like between November in January? That is nobody who wears no matter what it is that time period is just going to be I am clueless about what is about to be I have that's why I laugh from my my girl's family keep trying to make Thanksgiving plans earl covering was. She's from plan in family. You know when families with the whole vacation is laid out to three quarters in advance. And I just don't know like in the back of my head I'm like there might be murder in streets. Angle. Be No. Turkey. Will be murder. is going to be chaos might not be able to get the JFK. You'll have you I. Think it's in the New Yorker. It's an old article, but there's a New York City firefighter than has an apartment in New Jersey that's his safe house, and in this apartment, he has three months worth of everything he needs for the end of whatever he even has a boat hidden somewhere in Manhattan so that he could could new off of the island of Manhattan when they closed bridges and tunnels, that's what I need. You haven't doing this wrong I've been doing this or say where the apartment is either I don't even know what firehouse he work, but I need to meet this brother can you just tell us how much it costs I? Feel like we both more money to him like you said. Sales Right. It's a two bedroom in. New. Jersey on a firefighter salary on top of wherever he lives in the city. So I think you could carry an apartment. In Brooklyn and a to betty event especially. Yeah. Three jobs anyway the only at the house to three days a week. CHECK, city. So he's got his place to go. He got his boat to get to it. He got it set up everything that's over there. All right. So we need to get on Zillow. Sandwich New Jersey hit. No we need to find this brother just friend. It's easy to just be somebody's Rambo money. Yeah I got news for you though let's be honest while this is a great idea. It's the kind of crazy people. Do you know what I'm saying like I don't I don't I? Don't I don't. Think we want to be stuck with him. We go. You won't be alive you won't be outside. No, it does this is what I'm saying is published a welcome. No, no, no I'm saying I want to be alive but I'm saying we need to we're rolling the dice on what type of cat we going to be hold up with that's all all cloverfield lane I see. But yeah, that's what I'm saying is that the guy who does this probably think some real whacked out stuff on some other things? Slight cloverfield lane she was. In the bunker because the guy believe aliens she went during the Damn Aliens and she killed him and got outside and they were Aliens Yup. That's all I'm saying you get over there and you just be like, Oh man this is why you can't just randomly decide who you go who you go hole up with you just can't you gotta be you gotTa figure this out we should invent a tender but for like disaster relief partner or bear bear, it could be done like Airbnb but like matchmaker meet me at the end of the world. I can say exit and that's where we got delays gentleman an APP idea that's how we go wrap this up you. We've given you an idea of how to make a fortune off of this crisis because somebody else making a fortune off every other part of it but Ladies Gentlemen that is Roy Junior out on the daily show comedy central you got anything else you want to sell to people know man. I see me Inc Dot Com I. See me INC DOT Com. It's a beautiful beautiful charity nonprofit. 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Yeah Dude I. It's not my fault as you go by like fo- names that's true. That's what I'm saying right. You try to figure out how grow and you won't be all these people I'm not trying to help you. Beat a man that you want a beat well. I got a beer today. You do you do hold on. Hold on let me say Oh. Snap Yo y'all with y'all follow. Be Twenty minutes there with a big deal. This is coming as we look closer co beards connect in a welcome to twenty twenty. It's only this side that's always been good. Yeah I need a new joke though because it was right in here. It didn't it didn't quite make it out away. Now's coming yours. Oh yours might be full of the mind because I got that notch right here. That don't come together. Well Yours. which is naturally more but you know to work? I'm not gonNA take this level of patch. Not even be a patient is seriously come on now. Look we notice. You are for a lot of people in this game. You got like a little brother role to folks and it was attitude by the fact that you'll hear one connect with nobody knew could actually grow. That's right that's right. That's what I'm saying. So now that you hear man you might finally start getting the respect Spec you deserve as a grown man talking to you like like I'm fast. I you know. Hey man well we'll welcome to grow Nisa Nisa at thirty five. I should be actually grown at this point. I started off. thirty-five crazy. That's right I had you as a eighty five babies you eight `fo- Yes tammy thirty five. Yes hail life is moving. I can't imagine how many cats like damn thirty five years. GotTa hear that. It'd be like Damn what I've been doing. Man Mark Surat like everybody. Everybody who's calling me like wait I meant when you were what twenty six thirty five now. Fda I met you and I was twenty five twenty five. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was a long time ago. Man Yeah Man at the start of the decade what was even longtime ago. Well is that longtime ago long time ago when I was twenty five. ooh Yeah Yeah I on twenty five. Nobody in his game knew me when I was twenty five in this game when I was twenty five where you closer to fifty four twenty five. That's certainly a way to look at it. That's one way to look at it just saying that's a way to look at it while anyway Mike. How's your week been like? I feel like everybody this the longest. We can like the longest week. Do yes this is like I. I was talking about that. This is going to be like a state funeral. I didn't even go to do it. Well someone explain it to me last night. That Kobi's Catholic so they're going to probably have something small that his church or whatever replaces worship that type of thing and then it's going to be like something that's probably going to be something that staples right like Michael Vick Michael Jackson. Yes you know right. But I'm trying to think how how the League can even participate in this because there's a whole league that is going on as I say it has to be taken because I think the Lakers are still mom and pop right so it's not like they're the bill for this. Yeah they're not the New York Knicks Right. You know what I'm saying like a very corporate everything. The Lakers are still very a family or ent organization. You got to think about you know grief counselors. There's some stuff like that because Kobe was a laker employees. Had these connections. And everything the League's going to have to take over for this. Yeah but I'm thinking like who's going to be there you know what I mean because they're gonna be so many people in so many places like so many players. Here's then I guess and this is going to be. I think a cruel thing for a lot of players in this. They are the biggest fans in the world but their fans right and so plant in. This can't be around and I'm just a name out. There is not particularly him. But like I'm sure Spencer dinwiddie wants to come to the funeral right but we can't like try to get this around everybody who's trying to cut right so I figure they'll try to find an off day where the Lakers themselves are in town And in the end this is I man. It's just like we. We started talking about what the week is. I can't describe what this week has been right because one thing for us and I ain't about us right. I'm going to be very clear about this but we work in this. There is no get away right from this. I'd I'd like this has been an immersion in Kobe. His memory and all the emotions that come with this like day after day after day like I came in here on Mondays people still here on Monday before they started hitting down to Miami for the Super Bowl. Jalen was here Monday and I saw him a little bit. Stephen a did a segment here and the grief was just kinda palpable in the air. Because the one thing we all got in common here that we care about sports I know so like that was in the air and then people started leaving but then our shows are still talk about Kobe right and the next day. We're talking about Kobe. Today's the first day that I don't think we have a Kobe topic in our show necessarily and it's just felt like it's gone off ever as long as we ever like like give you a sense of perspective. Mal Sunday was supposed to be my rest today. Like literal rest day last week. Got Was Monday last Monday. David starnes memorials right. So then I flew to New Orleans after Zion's debut think about how loan that feels loses ions view. That was just last week. That was just last week. It feels like a month ago so from there I come back here for day. I go to Atlanta the next day to do the Turner show that I do the next day. I fly back to Jersey train to Philadelphia for Lebron passing coby on the all time list and then when I come back here on the train I'm getting calls and texts and that's because we were we were both just like what the that was. All we had was just like what do you mean Kobe Bryant and think about it like this normally when you hear about accident something happening usually as accident happens. Someone's wounded there at the hospital or something like that. There was no lag time to say. Oh I hope Kobe's all right or you know. Hope he's families. Okay and that type of thing we just just got Kobe's dead yes you know what I'm saying like there was no way to even prepare or you know what I'm saying right. We use yourself the possibility it louis just popped across like he's is dead right like I remember when prince died because I was in Paris when that happened. Yeah but the stuff started coming across that someone has been found owned at Paisley Park Right. And so you kinda got you know had a way to do it and so I was able to call some people who would know and they let me know like nods. You know so then I was able to call people that I knew would be directly affected by this and then we'll go from there but there was the like the guy told me it's not true period we. We didn't get that for Kobe. We actually got that for his kids right because people like you all sorts of where the where the where the kids on the helicopter and then we found out the kids as a plural were not but one was and so we found out and beginning like five people have died in this crash and then we find out that it's nine rain right and it just seemed like get worse and worse and worse in that way and then just the outpouring of emotion came. We've I've talked about this on this show and other places blazes. I was not a Kobe Fan. And I'm okay with saying this is what it is you know. I can't be a fan of everybody a Kobe Fan. We got lots of jokes off on this show about Kobe. Respect Brag too but we got lots of jokes off man. Hit me in the chest and I'd like we try to process it on the last episode in just talking about it but I never. This is no way I could ever seen going like this. Well I think it's a number of things for one and maybe it's maybe it's more for me. 'CAUSE you're I'm hitting a certain age. Start thinking about these things but you didn't expect Koby to die like the biggest thing that ever happened to us in our lifetimes. Culture Interesting Point Michael Jackson and Prince Michael was fifty principles. Fifty six fifty okay but there were things that happened that precipitated that loss pretty seven. Sorry you you know what. I'm saying. Things that precipitate that print that near riot gear with a with a plane hit to come out in Chicago was living at the time. You know not that it was a shock. But you know what I'm saying there was ways. Is that like okay. You can connect the dots Michael Jackson all known been here almost for a certain period of time. So they wanna hit you like okay. It's jacked up or whatever but you can connect the dots. There were no dots to connect here in the way that it hit me was like dude this thing is finite like we all get reminders. That is finite and I think we're morning certain loss of our own innocence. Yeah I think I think there's something to that like just the idea that is gonNa happen and we were just talking about him. Yesterday I was just in his hometown and Lebron was talking talking about him so Kobe was top of mind. I wrote a piece. You know basically saying that. Kobe and Lebron were heirs to Michael. In the way that they understood their responsibility as ambassadors to the game aimed to show up every night. Right to basically give you virtuoso performance. Even if they didn't play well like that's something that's not here anymore and then this is how Kobe takes over the world. One last time like thought was just messed up. Yeah and we're not saying we're not done. No we're not done. This is going to go. We finally you know. Got Word from the you know we heard from the family for the first time. And that's an interesting thing because I just have people like family doesn't oh you anything they don't know people anything but I also think that overwhelmingly family people just want to know they were okay. I think that people were coming from a very positive place in this and they just wanted to know. Like how is Vanessa Bride Right. Who has spent her entire adult life being Mrs Kobe Bryant like let us not forget they drew up papers the settlement was all? They're just never put them. I'm in right am I thought was always. What are you supposed to do if you're Vanessa and since you were eighteen years old you were Mrs? Kobe Bryant like we used to stop right. I'm just going to be somebody else. Now that had been my thought. I don't know if that's the case but now she is not Mrs Kobe Bryant. She's the widow of Kobe Brian. And not just that my thought is how do you mourn to people at the same time like how like the daughters. The other the older sister. You don't see your coby's he's first born and you lost your younger sister and you Lost Your Dad yes you know what I'm saying. The the two younger ones aren't they don't know they don't know yet. It's hard for them to grasp. Ask the older one and Vanessa. Vanessa has to mourn her husband in her child in each loss in itself devastating but to for both of them together. That to me is beyond the. I don't know how you compartmentalize that. Yeah like the roughest day for me to watch the the images that we got. Did you see the clip at the Mamba Academy where they were. You know waiting for them to get. Yeah Yeah you got a room full of kids and we gotta come out here and be like Kobe. Kobe right right like that is basically the equivalent of Christmas morning. You get downstairs. How cold it ain't no presence? There was a sleigh accident. Santa's it's not gonNA make it. That's literally what that that's where we were that. Both I don't like I said there's no precedent for this no and like even when like Muhammad Ali past or even the David Stern situation like we can rationalize that older men. We you we Kinda eulogize. Those people while they were still allowed to some degree especially the alley but this one Kobe. I felt I think we felt like a Kobe was moving to a different space. Yeah more so as a parent we had just seen him courtside aside in Brooklyn a couple of weeks before like we were starting to view Kobe in a different space compared to the Kobe that he had always shown us to be right. And there's always this feeling like we always have more work to do so you can't like whether your faith not faith. Whatever like some of these things are really just hard to negotiate internally you know especially those who travel for letting the helicopters travel right like? Oh this can happen to anybody fan. This is tough man like almost. It's almost like I'd rather be focusing on Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Durant meaningless twitter. Because right now you know about anything else. These perk head to go heartfelt. Oh bodies you know what I'm saying. No Perk we need right now. We need you to to argue about something petty. I would've appreciated that. Wouldn't wouldn't kill for bobby between like I don't know what would have happened. The dude that was really the super bowl is coming up. Ain't nobody talking about the Super Bowl and when they're at the Super Bowl what most of the cliff that you've seen come back from the super bowl people talking about any time. Boko they talking about Kobe. Richard Sherman Mama mentality all these football. This is right up up there. Yes Mamba Mentality. Yes late through everything. Don't admit to hurt anybody like that. Well I also imagine that a lot of these football players. When they play basketball they play basketball? I don't know if you've ever like watched the football team bureaus or watch. The football do just why they are approaching this. The Baba Vitale is strong. Clear out clear out. I got this I got this. I'm back I'm back if if he's a big dude. I'm backing now. If I'm not a big dude I'm I'm doing everything I can to just go out there and do some type of twisting spinning fade away. That has no chance of going. who had the original mob mentality our table but my brother stories about Hoopoe Elti? Wait what yeah so. My brothers live over there in Jersey. Where Lt will be around? He's go the gym. Lt Lt was show up with his partners right as in the late nineties early two thousands in that space being there and the way Lt Hoop was was. y'All heard this story before. So you know Lt. We had a ball two steps big steps behind the three point line. I will put it up and we put it up. Go to your house. Right there Bobbie. That's football players hoop. Oh my God so that. Was Kobe over the house. That was Al Vogler. Do like I do feel like now. We should be the point that we could get back to like like laughing at Kobe. Still got a little bit of like people send them Lou Williams clips talking about Everything about how. How would you die all of a sudden things we did? Lie Become Cool Right. That's like telling the story about co become. They're talking about none of y'all can wear my shoes 'cause y'all assault or are you talking to right now. The paid for these shoes. You know what I'm saying Ed like like you should have run that purity tests before you sold him shoes. You sort of made people fill out a questionnaire or like Mike Mike till like Luc Longley or somebody like that like you can't wear my shoes type of thing. Well my favorite from Mike was might use to call will perdue will vanderbilt. Because he didn't deserve to be named after a big ten school. What are you doing right doing like all the savage though because all the savage stuff that comes out like it was always kind of funny before the thing with Kobe? Also that I talked about this a little bit earlier but I want to give. Did you think about this so well. Lebron came in as a high school player. It was there was an understanding on the front end. What this was right? This is going to be the number one pick in the draft. This is going to be the next face of the NBA and everything was very carefully. Manicured manicured and all this stuff right you think about this. Lebron Wayne never heard no story about Lebron having these trying to get in his pocket. We ain't ever had no story story by Lebron and all the people that were around him like all of that was planned for. There wasn't a plan for that in nineteen ninety six in order to me like what you come out there like so oh as much as Kobe was more exposed in the average person would have been at that time period and had a confidence that the average person would not have had at that time. He didn't have the army of people people around him. That were like this is how we're going to get you to the next. And everything else in a Lotta ways. He was figuring this out for himself and so we watched him have some hiccups and some bumps along the way that we didn't see from other people. Well you know where you gotta think about. Lebron was in such an adverse situation that people had to wrap their arms around. Yes you know. Because we're like look man. This kid can make it and we have to help him make us look what's around. And once he got involved. That changed the game correct. You know what I'm saying even before the numbers but once Nike get involved that's an entity vested in Lebron Inc right. That changed the game. Kobe didn't sign with Nike. Initially right. You know what I'm saying. He was with the Dita's in the marketing wasn't as you know what I'm saying. It wasn't as mature as it is not it wasn't as much of a genuine investment in someone that young before so we we got to see like you said we got to see Koby because a lot of ways you saw. I'm coming like he was jelly. Bean buying some. But you'll be bright. I didn't mean yeah exactly. It didn't make because much of a mark like we find out who jelly bean was because we found out who Kobe harass. You know what I'm saying. So it was so by. Kobe lived in my opinion. Okay and he lived as complete a basketball life as we'd ever seen even more complete than Michael Jordan. Yeah because they just had Jordan had a time at Carolina like NBA life. Were the better way. We'll also think about this difference between Kobe and Lebron and this hit me the other day. Kobe had a completely different adjustment. A Very Lakers adjustment but different adjustment in the sense that the Bronx dropped off in Cleveland. And they're like Yo. This is yours from day. One this is yours. We're GONNA build this around you and everything all that structured around you. Kobe went to the Lakers. That ain't the same thing. They didn't do that wit magic. They didn't do that when they traded for Wilt Chamberlain right like no like none of these other than Corinne. Nobody was getting dropped off here. And we're like Oh this is yours and so with Kobe. He's they're viewing himself the way that we viewed Lebron and they were all honestly people who thought that but but it was a different time you with the thirteenth pick in the draft. Not The first pick in the draft. You're coming in as a player off the bench. We're not throwing you in nineteen ninety six. NBA You could not throw him in and make him assault. I'm not so you can throw Lebron in right and made him start at that point. It was just a different league at that point so he gets thrown in there where Lebron is like. Hey you're the man and we're going to build you want to be the man. Kobe had to for lack of a better term. Earning right like he had to earn a different kind of respect because when he came in he's fighting for playing entire. Eddie Jones has got to be looking at hippolyte. And right right. You know. I think our Code Eddie Jones was an airline. Now you gotta go. Sorry Buddy I I think in ninety seven Eddie. Jones wasn't all star while cobras planning a rookie game. Yes you know what I'm saying like think about that and Kobe made his mark in that way but Kobe got there with Shag out there. Yup same here. Same you and think about before that in and there's like this is just interesting. Timing magic came back in January of ninety eighty six and then he retired and then a couple months later checking Kobe get there. There's very little gap. There's maybe a three year three season full season gap between the fact that from nineteen eighty nineteen seventy five to two thousand sixteen. There was always an all time. Great Great on the Lakers roster. Kobe was not anything special. In the way to the Lakers view. Something you know what I'm saying. Especial like he had to take it right and I think once they appreciate it more but he was like no. This is my yes. It wasn't ordained right when he got there with okay. I can't say the best player in the League because Jordan comeback by but shack shack. Like we gotta remember in two years time. The Jordan was out the shack thing had been established. She hadn't won a rain yet but this it was the guy that TV package was built around. This was the one name star of the NBA. Kobe winds up there in the year. That shack is coming and try to establish himself. I think seven in one twenty yes like so shacks coming in walking and swinging. Everything like I'm here now at a time when the big man was still the a big man like. That's still shot was the latest in a long line from George Mike and two wilt chamberlain to Kareem abdul-jabbar bar in the shack right. We're talking there depending Mike. It's hard to quantify but you gotTA argument there. We're talking about four of the top six or seven best best big man of all time right shack was the next one to be in there and now he's got to do. That's over here. That's like but I'm going to be the best ever and I need to be put in the places Acess to be the best ever a and I'm in here girl Ryan did because that was the one thing both here and abroad. No one had told no one had told him they work hard art enough. Well the thing was. Kobe looked at who was in front of him. I'm better than you. Yup You don't have to think about Kobe's the audacity of Kobe sitting at the draft. Alan Iverson everything is drafted Ray Allen Kerry kittles and. I'm not going off of the draft him. Think guys that are are comparable quote unquote scores with pedigree carry kills played at Villanova in over in. Kobe's probably a lower like I can kill him. How about this? How much you WANNA bet? Did some point. Kobe went to Villanova to hoop and killed. Well him remember Stackhouse. That's right and Jerry Stackhouse seem don't seem like the type that will take from fifteen obstacles like now man. He came to play the man Ed like he looked at all these dudes and was like year. I'm better than you and I admire that. I respect the gangster of the head and I could also also understand. Why is that people? Were not try to hear it ever seventeen years old. Go sit out somewhere. You know what I'm saying. Laugh like literally. That's that's the thought because it was so I think Garnett came into the league the year before that but he was seven feet tall. Yes what are unique skill. What's it like? You could understand it in cages struggle in his rookie year. But you could see that. Coming along we talkin about six foot six skinny Wayne right who as much as the Jordan comparisons parison like hold weight. He wasn't as physically no talented gifted ono to know that is a key difference and I think that is something especially people who were not of that era. Can't understand about Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was a plus plus plus plus athlete. Kobe wasn't that and I and I'm not saying. Kobe was unathletic but Kobe wasn't. With Jordan was as an athlete. There was a power to like the reason that Kobe. Kobe is not as good as Michael Jordan. Right like we like. and there's no shade and saying saying that Kobe's not as good as Michael Jordan but the big part of that was Michael Jordan was so strong right like in the shoulders in the core. All of this. He was so strong. His game was not a virtuoso. Also Game Kobe's game was a virtuoso game. Might not so think about think about the year. Kobe gain weight gain muscle. That was like two thousand three after they after the three P.. He gained the weight and then the next year he couldn't hold it anymore. You know what I'm saying. Mike Health that twenty five basically from ninety one until basically to the end of the Deco basically till baseball and everything else by changing. They changed it back. Mike could hold that weight. Koby couldn't when you think of Lakers back in Kobe. Two thousand thousand nine. That's the guy who is playing at right around two hundred two hundred five pounds Michael Clan to fifteen so you were filling him right all. You know what I'm saying that he was wearing wearing you down right see. We're Koby could do this. The different Kobe might with Kobe. Half for you. I'm GONNA put all these moves on you out here on the perimeter in what I can do is I'm going going to take a shot at. You might be directly in my face but I have prepared for the possibility that you are going to be directly in my face and I can make this shot right like. That's the unstoppable of Kobe. The Mike Unstoppable was. I'm going to rack. I'm going right there. I'm gamble you and whoever else is waiting on me when I'm down there that's a different. That's a different scenario. And then you got old Mike. The difference with old. Mike and Kobe is Mike. Mike is at the top of the. Okay I'm picking one spot on the floor. I'm getting there in one dribble. I'm putting my body on you and my quickness on you in you're not stopping me from getting to my spa with our make. The shutter not is on me right. But you're not stopping me Kobe's like I can hit any any shot at any spot on the floor. Bad shot good shot. I'm getting there Mike is like I'm getting to my spot and you can't meet me there right like Kobe was a different force of will. Yes right right. Legally it was it was Mike staying was. You can't stop me. Kobe thing was in spite of what you do right and I like bike ain't that you can do it this Kobe in spite of what you do because there are things that you can do you can get this all right in his style was there's going to be a hand my face little. Do you know I have practiced taking this exact shot with my eyes close literally. I don't know if he actually did that. But but if you would you be surprised if you saw Kobe blindfold on pass say well look. He was being guarded by shame. Body which is basically plan with a hand like literally a hand in your eye. Yes the pro after that. Yeah he probably did like that. That's where he was man. But there's like as a figure around this. I talked about this on the podcasts couple of days ago basically Kobe. Kobe was positioned on the opposite side of his position. On the opposite side of history he was positioned on the opposite side of the president and his position on the opposite side of the future. He was on the opposite side the Jordan he was on the opposite side of the broad then he was on the opposite side of Alanon types right outside of shack. Yes yes by the way no one has ever been on the opposite side of due to his own team like I don't feel like back in the day and I could be wrong about this right outfielder back in the day that you had to pick if you were laker fan so who you got magical Corinne No. I don't feel like you had to do that. You're a Laker Fan. Yeah he's all of the same squad and maybe part of this was a point guard. You know so. He contributed in that way in there was there was a more obvious obvious in natural transition into it'd be imagined team because of what what Kareem's age was quite shocked got to La he was. What twenty five twenty five? That's that's what I think when I look back at the two of them. I couldn't grasp at the time due to so young. We think of twenty five being completely in a completely different when you're at the age that we were at when that happened we're looking at twenty five is a full grown man. Yes like you are but there's so much more that you don't know at that point lead for four years ears like he'd been in the League before years like I think for me like cover in sports one of the most interesting things for me is reaching in an age where I look at the athletes and realized damn these dudes young right so I had about them trying to put the stats in his face. And he's like L.. Madame only nineteen nineteen. I just WanNa hoop all one level. I'm like that's cool if you want to be treated like a nineteen year old Duke. Yeah right like this. Is You decided you wanted to comply with the girl came. I can't play both sides. You WanNa play the GROWNUPS. Now you've got a complete with a grownups but on the other side I sees I in In Vegas this summer and I was like wow now this dude's eighteen or whatever was on that day it just hit me in the face like wow. You're so young you know what I'm talking to. His parents and his parents are like yeah l.. Let them know. We don't give a little more freedom as time goes or whatever it is and I'm like yes. Here's your main. You know like like these cats are so young and I think he's got some hell for people. You hated uh-huh Kobe his whole life now. Did you be nice about it will. Yes that's what happens. Is that stat stat. which would you like me to just play old? Kobe clips. No but but at the same time I do as things went along and for me as it went along it was actually in the progression of my career. Sure that I had like a much better understand of Kobe stuff right so I think for example show the questionable with Dan you know. I love Dan right but Dan didn't really know each other when we started doing this show as so. Dan is the made man in this game. Dan is a shack like figure. Yup I'm this young dude like I've been telling Y'all that that I could do this and now it's my time to do this. I went into a little more different deferential on that sort of thing then. Kobe did but that was my thought like Y'all I'm supposed to be here and I was like I'm GonNa prove that I'm supposed to be here and I felt like a ultimately prove that I was supposed to be here and then after about four years it was like now. It's time for me to go somewhere else. I need something that feels a little bit more. Like mind and that didn't make any sense to me with. Kobe is like how about this. How about you? Just pass the ball to the big man k.. Nobody guard him. Like you think nobody can guard you. I know nobody can guard him. Why don't you pass the the ball the big man like why? Why are you good? Pass the ball and a big man. And he's like I just need some I. I've been in here putting in this grind and now I needed to pay off with something. That's you know. Look more mine that makes no sense to me at that earlier point in time I got no life experience. That's in line with that right. You know then you get to this. I was thinking about about what I started doing. Around the horn out thirty. None of those people knew who I was. What is the white people? People did buy large because in a BJ. Right the J. Two seem Iran. Michael Smith. I know you know some of those dudes man came in there kicking down the door. It took some some years for me to get cool with some of those people and our remember has some of them used to treat you on the air like almost dismissive. Yeah Man Yeah. It's auto it right but I I get it right. Who are you what makes you think? And then you see. And they're like okay. What has guys got some level of talent still? That's not entirely entirely what this is about. Who are you now? I'm real good with all those people that was ten years ago case you want to feel that was ten years ago You know but now we get Cuban like those are things about Kobe. I couldn't I couldn't understand them myself without some life. Experience like that skipping high school go straight to leave sort of thing. He ain't got accelerated indecisive light experiences workplace experiences. We just going to be honest that I don't think any of US watching it at the time. You just can't consider that. I mean think about from Kobe standpoint level of confidence avenue that you have to have like. Don't get me wrong when things went bad for. Laker people blamed Kobe but they didn't blame you because of how he played. They blamed Kobe because of there was the perception perception of how Kobe thought of himself. Yes whereas if Kobe had played a a little differently publicly shock would have always been a human shield. Yes always caught that wreck if something went wrong yes so Kobi's ambition while it hurt him. It actually worked out for him. Like I've always said the one thing I will say that it's Kinda right on when they traded shack. They made the right move. Yeah they did at the time. I said they made the right move because I was like this. Ain't two thousand housing shack anymore. You know what I'm saying. And he he had been hurt the year before and he was gaining weight. And all this other type of stuff and I just couldn't see him aging well and Kobe. He could lead a team to a title singularly right but you could at least see Kobe putting the working year after year to get better and whether you could build a team around him on you. Oh but you wouldn't have shack coby and his Albatross. Yeah you know what I'm saying. What that point in his career I think the tricky thing that happened in that Oh three Oh four season where they signed Gary paid in Sidecar Baloney? They lost in the file. To the person's the tricky thing about that season was shack was slowing down. But you couldn't tell because everybody was sacrificing Faisal shots so everybody's numbers were down. You go look at that over. Kobe's numbers are down. Shacks numbers are down all because they're trying to figure out how to make that work and everything else that went on along with it shack. Thirty six and twenty in game four of the files. And that's the end of that era of shackle. He got to Miami. He had an MVP caliber oliver season and five but it was not a great Shaquille O'Neal season and they didn't know sixties earlene score in the finals for the heat. I believe Antoine Walker. More points per game a series than he did the decline. It happened. The thing with Kobe was and I think he got criticism. Not so much for how I do okay you say. He didn't get Chris Chris how he played the nuts. Not as much right but not I think he got criticism for how he played but not how well he played is that makes sense. Yeah so scores. Thirty points a game it oh six. That's playing very well but only one way to score thirty six points a game and that's taken a whole a lot of shots at the same time. Lebron is up there in Cleveland with a team of semler talent deficiencies. He's getting into a game seven against the Pistons getting them to the NBA finals. Right and so that raise what I always thought were legitimate questions about Kobe's approach and look belief was I got the confidence to make this shot. I don't have the confidence that you guys can make this shot. But would he wasn't good at was instilling that confidence in others. Because you notice Oh does in all these obituaries and all this stuff. We're hearing about Kobe. You know what group of people you're not hearing from that much. Go five six. Yeah like the Lakers. who weren't that good? You know cause problems Parker was not that he was bad. Actually wouldn't look to those numbers swift. Parker played a little better than you would think the problem was. Why smush Parker the third leading scorer on this team it ought to be over a over exposed? You know what I'm saying. Oh being over explaining the role that does not quite fit. Yeah exactly that's what I think the seventeen I think the second or third leading scorer was Luke Walton was the third Lamar was second year. Walton was the third leading score on on that team and that team got to the playoffs. So what hand is like Yo Koby. You'd a man forgetting this roster even to the playoffs or to this point it worked three him poorly in comparison. Because it's like okay but you do gotta like you can't just say I'm GonNa do it all myself right and we. We had an example. It was Lebron James Right. Lebron was showing that there was this other way you could go about doing it and I think that's where like people like me when we start talking about Kobe. Like that's that's where it was like. I don't know about this. But ironically the twenty thirteen season we got Steve Nash Yup and Got Dwight Howard Empower Saul and that year. Kobe was like five man. GimMe the ball. I'll do everything and that season cool with it because I watched it and I was like okay. I I see what's going on what it has to be. You could see the Games leading up to the Achilles injury see it you can see that ending happening exactly the way that it did. Because he was pushing themselves to this point we planned for eight minutes and John Henry like he was. He was guarding point. Guards and stuff like maybe not doing it well but just the physical exertion that it took but to your Lebron point. I'll say this I don't know if I saw a more physically of my own is Michael Jordan was I was not born when Michael Jordan was twenty. Twenty one years Kobe Bryant at twenty one might have been the most incredible player. I've ever seen at that age all right so Kobe. Twenty one is ninety nine. No no I'm thinking like a one okay. So that's twenty three. Because he's bored yet as the excess water seventy eight seventy eight so I oh so that all one laker team. He was so good that that postseason he was like this. When in fact you're playing with peak shack shack all of his shack ish nece? Yeah so you only have have so much room to be yourself right and he was so damn efficient man what he had cause remember shack was the finals. MVP and should have been the finals. MVP that year but they played was the San Antonio in the conference finals. Yup Okay So San Antonio still has Tim Duncan and David Robinson so this means it's colby time and it was koby time didn't they swap the Sacramento. I think they swept the series before that forty eight sixteen in game. Four right. Those were series series that were lined up for Kobe. Bryant to be that dude and what you have to give them credit for and I think again for me. I didn't appreciate how young twenty two was the ability to be that Dude at that point he was literally just a M- like Lebron thing from a standpoint of physical domination of a game and possessions sessions. And everything else like I get it. I got it but Kobe didn't look bigger stronger better than everybody. All his shots were tough. Shots was hands in this phase out. He was driving by you. But you were there. Yeah like Lebron when he did that. Forty eight against Detroit. He blew by everybody. You like. There's a level of just you've ever seen a player who looks bigger than the floor. Right you know. I don't know if that makes any sense but Lebron look bigger than the Cadillac. The first how you want the led TV. It everything's out in front. Yes Yeah Lebron look bigger than force you can understand you like. It's an incredible. Like dominance that you can see like a tour De Force or whatever he blew by tastes and he blew by everybody. I got that Kobe was not that physical marvel that weight. It made sense. And it's interesting. You mentioned that because I think that what there was to credit under those circumstances was also what there was to frustrate because which tumble yeah. He's hitting these shots with a hand in your face you like. Oh why are you always taking a shower with your hand in hand in your face. You know what I mean. That's the that's that's kind of just a position that you that you wind up with. And that's part of what I think will ultimately made him as a figure so polarizing. We'll be back in a minute with vinny goodwill but I. It's a New Year perfect opportunity to take your business to the next level by hiring the right people. Finding find a qualified candidates can be challenging ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Bomani makes it easy ziprecruiter. Send your job to over. One hundred of the Web's leading job boards. 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I gotta I decide how many days I'm giving with this. You GotTa let it go you see the thing. We don't even know when the funeral is going there. No no you're right. I'm letting it go but at some point we we can resume having the conversations that we used to have about these. I agree and here's a here's the thing. I would literally talking to somebody about this last night. At the in Brooklyn this cycle is going to go in a million different directions. Like we're not when we're coming sort of towards the end of a cycle week long. Then whenever his memorial happens cycle starts again and then all star weekend there's going to be a cycle and then at the final four. There's GonNa be a cycle because that's where the hall of fame. inductees are announced announced on the Saturday Monday. Or whatever right so there's GonNa be another cycle there and then is going to be a cycle not the start of the playoffs but at the start of finals. Yeah there's there's all these different cycles where we're going to have to go through it especially on the twitter verse ran. I'm just saying Kobe and the thing about this is the. Kobe stared human. I want the Kobe's still Kobe. Oh boy and Dave obscene happened on Internet for everybody. The Kobe Stan starting to bubble up into his his Kobe. Stay in place right right. He he is starting to return to his natural fog. He is starting to route back in shape. Hey and there's GonNa be this awkward period in between why the tail end of the grieving. But they're still fit like themselves that's going to be the optimal we'll combination of getting on my nerves. So we'll be right there. What will you do? 'cause I K win though you don't fight you know L. Like we can't even have. We can't even have a back and forth with the Kobe stairs right now because it's deepening rap. You know what I'm saying. It's bigger than that bigger than me no biomed bigoted UNIDO Brown Gobi stead is still lurking. Well here's what I will give Kobe. Stan two points young Kobe. I believe was so firmly underrated because because he was put against Shah. I agree like we cannot properly contextualized. Young Kobe angry spent so much time with Tracy McGrady was over there. They'd be winning championships. The player experts over there. He can do the same thing. I agree not quite. Kobe was cancelled. The only guy that can take advantage of that window. Yeah you know what I'm saying in that way and secondly and this is the weirdest you know it's just the the weirdest part of it all. I understand Kobe. Stand Dan to some degree. I get them now. Well I here's why and I thought about this. It didn't make sense until I put it all together if you are a player who is and you Seti. You're you're put against Allen Iverson put put against Michael put against Lebron. You're not usually going to win those arguments right so invariably you're always going to be on the losing side of something and feeling like you're you don't get enough respect. I E is eight Thomas Yes you know what I'm saying. He's the guy that's in that place so I get it because you're like no. I'm fighting for this person's place in history because you refuse to see it is as putting his bird magic Michael and got his skin's on the wall but within you like well Chris Paul is better or John Stockton someone across once Chris. Paul is better and we're not going to get into is I didn't say John Stockton. How about that gives credit the other? You've got other players from other franchises that just like popping off at the mouth about economic but we just let them go. We're GonNa let that rat but I get Kobe fan because you feel like you're never going to be properly appreciated. And now they're like welcome aboard while some we we're I've been here over. There should have been nicer to Kobe where he was alive. And I'm like we had a disagreement man. I just happened partic- this differently. What you'd never said that? Kobe wasn't a top like I think it works. You want fifteen or something worse. I had my top twenty. But that's including all these center. That complicate the discussion at worst at worst at best people are GonNa like Koby Steph. Was Kobe San San Greatest Player of all time. Some okay I think that the term term goat is now. What's the mean of Kobe? Stan is the meaning of Kobe Stan. He's better than Michael better than Lebron better than everybody. Or is the mean of Kobe Stan. He's better than you think. I think the mean is in between Jordan and Lebron and I think that's the thing with Kobe was always. I just don't think he's as good as as you do. But I had a colossal respect like I always talk to people about this ono like as you say on this show. There are ways in which. I wish. I was more like Kobe. Bryant like as a person like as someone who looks at the world in this way rows like. I wish I was more like Kobe Bryant. Well here's the crazy thing. I think I have him. I'm top ten. A maybe right like number ten or something like that. Like I haven't gone through the exact thing and I may have him slightly Louis. I may have him in Dunkin like right together because Tim had a certain institutional advantage that Kobe never had yeah. I think there's some to that right so like when I started going like listing being in that way because you have to put biggs and also you have to put the bigs of Russell in Chamberlain and all those guys in the completely okay can see. That's key because if we're taking them out of this conversation that's unfair because the problem is this if we leave him in these are guys that hardly anybody make argument about Jordan like you have a hard time telling me about these better the wilt chamberlain. I'm sorry man I went on Youtube. What are you talking about? Who could play today will chamberlain could blade? You see the clip of him just casually up three hooks out three years as a forum. Yes I just literally layer. Would you can't grasp us how strong he was right so Zola Russell will kareem charming a missing any of those like. We're not putting anybody. Then we Jordan right. Then we get magic edgy. Like we're at five right now. Now we add Lebron into this. Now we're at six them spots at the end of scarce. Man Like better than Larry Bird. And that's a tough question to answer that. Because if you look at Larry Bird's five pecan Lebron five-year peak. They're exactly the same thing with bird and this is always what made it interesting trying to compare him magically automatic because he came in some older so much older is three years older. The magic was right. He came after five years in college. He was twenty two twenty three years old when he hit the league. Magic nineteen but to the kids out here listed this because I really don't know of Youtube is doing justice for you and you can't properly understand y'all how can act like autumn do you palmer the. UPS Man was playing in the NBA in the eighties. Understand everything you're saying. Larry Bird was so damn good it so good. He was walking fifty four thousand ninety when it wasn't like you gotta think dudes were accomplishing and those numbers. When it wasn't a priority? Yeah they were just out there playing basketball. You know what I'm saying. It wasn't like oh I gotTA shoot fifty. You know what I'm saying that type of thing they've just the plan to the Celtics were out there with three white dudes in the starting lineup in nineteen eighty six and had what was legitimately shit admittedly one of the best teams of all time. What do you want the guard? Forty one out of how they lost the one. I don't know who they lost. They don't even know what he looked at up. Forty and we have to ask. Bob Ryan can meet Rhinos. I'm sure Bob Ryan who who might know my guy huby off. Sure he'll be would not. I don't think you've ever heard my huby. I have not heard you Hubadoo Huby. Oh my God you gotta give me a scenario like like okay So layers down. Two points A Anthony Davis has not. I had a good game all right all right. You OUGHTA Lakers. You're down to Anthony. Davis has not had a good game. Lebron James having a fourth quarter meltdown L.. Down and Frank Vogel is on the sideline looking like he needs a my Lanta. What do you do? You put the ball and Lebron's hands you go one four you say hey come defenders Indus- we'll see if you draw the double team or kick Anthony Davis and boom. We got a three right there. Let's see what happens as he says He. I love that he is the go. Yeah if I say I say I will surprise okay about. Kobe died. Huby dies because soluble dame aim over Iraq. What I've realized is that certain people have been such an integral part of our lives and we have not realized yes we didn't we don't know oh a life without like Hugh Brown being a certain voice in our lives to some degree Hobie Bryant being a certain point like even Lebron to some degree we know what life is like as a dot ISP right without Lebron? There's some people don't but we do. Yeah but the the Kobe life for example. I don't know exactly. This is so oh different and we can't reconcile even Michael Jordan. When it happens I think Michael has become such a reclusive figure and you think about think about the difference between Kobe and Mike? Yeah my came into the League as a FRAT boy. He was a Q- so used to being around people could bust chops and everything else and then as he got older he hit a college freshman and has been so so. You know what that's like to be at the bottom of the totem pole and have to be able to fit in. Kobe came in as a loner. So when Mike was evolving and getting more famous he ahead to be reclusive he retired because everything was sewing. You know what I'm saying so encompassing. Kobe came in as a loner and left as the person who wanted people around him wanted people to say one of people to call him and be big brother. Yeah you know what I'm saying. He realized that he done it wrong. Right like and he realized that singular focus on being the best basketball player of all time. And this idea that you don't need friends and all this stuff. Now he looked up. It was like now it's Kinda whack that's not. That's not really going to do it because all these people that are coming back and saying almost love Kobe. Kobe ain't a lot of them. Saying that. was my friend like gear. More people referred him as Big Brother Than you've heard referred him simply by ray level of connection there. Kobe didn't crave and I wonder if that came from him. Going up into the leading coming to be when you come into philly sort of being outcast ish being really talent. Well we'll WHO's supposed to hang out with like at every level where he was. Who was he supposed to hang out with like he would really been well served probably with a year of college just to have and figure out like the reset button on the recalibrate? Well think about this oughta stuff we talk about coby and all these different people he hoped with and stuff. Kobe spend a lot of time around grownups because that was where his talents were. Kinda taken him like I can tell you this personal experience. I spent my childhood hood around adults. I did not spend my childhood really around children like I'd see like cats from school at school but we live twenty five miles away away from where I went to school so I was not hanging out after school. We kids like High School Party so like I didn't really know nothing about that. I had I had friends right but I did not kick. They get in their way and then I got to. College is the first time I've ever been around people my age. They did not like me very much at all because I did not know how to interact with people my age I had uh-huh clue and you were younger. Yeah exactly right. And that's of that. Look like with Kobe and just be like okay. You probably came kicking it around a bunch of grown folks a now you're out here ear kicking it air. By the way I was in college. My parents were college. Professors is so I go to college and I'm not intimidated by the idea of being college. I've been in college my whole life this dude that intimidated by the idea being in the NBA he'd been in the NBA. His whole life is so he's showing up over there and he's got this confidence that people don't understand why in the world are you kicking all those things come together and it sounds like what the NBA was for him was just kind of like an extended college in their way to be like. Oh so this is what people are good for. I I have not like I talked to somebody. This was almost ten years ago now and he was like at that time he told me and he knew this. He says Derek Fisher has has never been to Kobe's house you know it's funny and it reminds me of this remembered. And I'm I'm someone a diva t of of the Martin show lease the first who who three seasons remember the show with Josie was on there and Tommy Davidson rerun. Play like a cameo and Tom Davis was like this. Johnny Carson Jalen always figure whatever Dr Martin was trying to get like history minute. He's trying to get his standing. Eddie Murphy moment and we run was on the show and Martin at forces way on stage and all this interrupted jealousy saint classic moment outside of stuff. I'm sentencing for you guys listening. So he says y'all rerun remote stands up he says Hamas has invited you to my house house hundreds. How many of you actually been to my house known what would happen if you came to my house if you run out of probably gets hey? That's my big Kobe. Get ready to play that whole music. Thank you for your patience. A representative from the bright time won't be with you shortly Your whole time is fifteen seconds into everybody. Wants to replace rose to have that discussion because I the only person that thought that would they saw they came across all. We'll need that bill de Dah. You know we are we. Yeah good you say because I came to college at seventeen so my first semester. I really couldn't like right party right because they ask for your. ID is the party. Was You know college idea. I was cool right but my birthday was in December right. You had a whole three plus months before I turned eighteen jack and that's critical time. We are trying to casse tablets herself so think of it in the context Kobe. All these dudes is hanging out and copy like man. I can't hang out even wanted to and be. I'd rather be in the gym anyway. Yeah but you know what I bet. You would rather be in the gym if you don't know how to relate to the people around you and I don't mean that shade. I think he wanted to. Yeah but but but but if he hit I wonder like if he had had a more seamless integration into social stuff. Before would he wants to know. Of course we don't know right but these so these are the things that they feed together to give us the guy that we ultimately got and so for him as well these I care more about this anybody else does. I know I care more about this than anybody else. Hello Mike Care about this more than I should. You know what I care about is more than anybody else does. This is so because we'll never get like certain things are like in the mythology Kobe. Right the the the person that he's creat this figure. I figure I believe that once he figured out I can't beat Michael could Jordan on the floor. I can beat them somewhere else. I can beat them in the crafting of this. You know what I'm saying this imaging this figure and we'll never get the definitive koby be book or auto by. They were writing it. Apparently no no this author said. He was writing a book that Kobe wanted to write that. He hoped to inspire underprivileged kids and now the author says that now the Kobe gone. There's no point in in the book and I am fervently disagree with that. No no no no like I would like that a guy to find a way if you turn it into something right if you can't you can't right right but if you can turn it into something now man put this out like I'm personally very curious about some of these things he said but but I also think he's about like I can be better than the Jordan at this stuff. I think there's somewhere along the way I talked to somebody and they were like the injuries to Kobe to a place where he realized the value in this other stuff because I think one of my frustrations had with Kobe was the obvious lack of value that eighty head in the people stuff people. I see nothing noble about this idea of. I ain't got no friends. We just trying to get the job done like that. Doesn't that has stirred like I I. I'm disgusted honestly by that kind of look like me personally. That's just that's just not the way. I think that you should kick it But apparently with injuries came and he realized you'll the best at basketball only goes so far and that made him reassess his family life and it sounds like it made him reassess these things all these people that he's wound up making these connections with after the fact right like but he learned he figured out that there was a value in people and I think part was interesting about that too is a whole society is devaluing people absolutely absolutely everything we do is basically about how we don't actually need to really talk to people. We got all these things that you know. I can take for people that don't WANNA see. I can do all those things but Kobe came around on the. Hi Dear people matter well. That's that was the point that I was talking about Kobe. and Michael basically completely different and I felt like Kobe headed complete basketball career like there was a scene. I don't know if it was Kobe last year. Maybe second last year whatever but they were playing like one of those PRESEASON GAMES IN HAWAII AGAINST Golden State and he was being Steph from like into end and stuff I gave them a Shimmy hit a three in his face and Kobe literally. Came down on the floor laughing laughing. You know what I'm saying because it was almost like not like not like I'm glad you tune me up there but it's almost like you know what this was ten years ago. I'd have been in a different place but I appreciate. It is game but hey how many old people do we like. Besides Alan Iverson. Yes how many people do we see actively saying and you know what man. That dude is cold. Do you know what I'm saying that the basketball killing we don't see that we don't see people age out Ram grudgingly give the three no not at all and that's what Kobe fifty spot did. ooh That was so you know the biggest thing the biggest thing for Colby Colby was and I was mad at the time and I was no Michael Jordan Fan. I'm from Detroit. You know whatever right. But michaels last all star game in Atlanta he gives the fadeaway and overtime. Everybody thinks that is the ending of it. We're thinking they're going to drop the ball at center court this is the end of it and Kobe's like Nah man. Thank y'all storybook ending. I'm giving it my own story book. And yes like he has the audacity to. I'm good enough to do this. Yes single how many guys like the next joins done Vince. Carter's the grant hill. Is All these other guys and they fell so short that we never measured them against them like Kobe. It was actually a threat to the throne in some way. He wasn't Never GonNa get there right when he was close. Enough for you to actually have to entertain discussion rep and I have to say this in the Dan. I think if I were to describe from what I could tell if I could if I gave me one word to describe what he appeared to be in the end. Happy Yeah Guess what guess. WHO's not right by? Mike is comically unhappy like manifest itself a hilarious ways. Kobe was happy man Eh. Kobe guy he was cool place in the history and life. Apparently and that's all you can. I feel like that's all you can hope for like when this is done. Are you happy with what you had and the truth is I'm not sure if we were to ask him this in twenty sixteen like twenty twenty thirteen dealing with injuries. I'm not sure it. I'm not sure he would have been able to say that he's still chasing. Yeah because everybody says that you know think about Kobe is. He didn't waste a moment of his life. I'm not sure that's true. And the reason I say that is how much of that was strictly basketball for so long right like it seemed that the what he realized was getting the people was the thing they did for. You know because I'm with that everybody's packing every moment of your life they Good luck with that right. Like you're gonNA try your best. I'm not saying shouldn't but no one's ever going to be like very. FEW PEOPLE ARE GONNA be satisfied with themselves. They like I can always look back at some moment that you wasted. Oh whatever it is right coup got it but for him. I think like realizing the value that people played and that was the maturity. I guess you can say evolution that. Kobe did not seem like a grumpy. Oh man no. But he did see like a groupie thirty two two year old saying yeah. Yeah you're right. But his buddy because he was grumpier in that period like those that play for those bad Lakers teens were. Kobe was taken off the Lakers money and not being able to play. They knew a grumpy old man. That's true but once once that period of Kobe's battling his health and still tell oh yeah back and all this other types absolutely and you still think you can catch it. Yes you know what I'm saying. I think once that last season came and everything else and he thought he in like you know what this is this is the end of it. It hits you differently like when he was. I had a really hard time grasping that Kobe wasn't praising the tours at the end you know what I'm saying I how I was like this is not the dude. I've seen play for X.. Amount of years like I had a really hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that he was being gene. I what's I didn't believe it and now I feel bad because I felt like in the time since his life has taken a turn where that part of it validated. Right from Twenty fifteen sixteen on. It's been a continuation of that. He still throwing himself into everything but he's GonNa Roses kind of thing you know what I'm saying. He's still has obsessive driven given everything else but it's not as just a singular focus. You know what I mean totally get it totally get it happy. Ladies and gentlemen is the best thing going Elizabeth as much joining us here on the right time thing a couple of times a week Mamane gave Bassein. How's everything behind the scenes? Thank you sir. Vince Goodwill Yahoo Sports. 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"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app. Apple podcasts because pack as we appreciate it rate. As review gives five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to think you are a hater. We do. I guess second podcast of the week. Joining us seen him on the daily show. In fact, he may have print college once or twice before any as a special coming up on comedy central on this Friday is the twenty fifth year. Yes, he's called. No, one loves you. Indeed, his name is ROY junior. How you doing good, man? What's going on? You've got the only podcast that the name of the podcast. Could also be like a really sexual love song. Like, you're not sure if you tell people on the right time. Oh, really? Yeah. People. Listen for different reasons. You know what I'm saying? You'd never you never know people eight and four as you know, we break into this place. I saw you last. We went to a boxing match, I live box magin listening, and we saw the first to fight because we both had somewhere to go. Those first. Five by ninety seconds. No lie a combined ninety two find out the names of these fighters, just Google Madison Square Garden theatre box it happened last week because the first bike because we a learned about that is kind of like how this thing works because the first two fights we saw each had one fighter from another country and fighter from New York. And the New York is brought eight people for anybody who says they don't see race go to a boxing match and try not to root for your. You can't do it. The moment you see someone that looks like you going against someone who doesn't like you Steve. He's an African. Yes. He was four three and one in his last eight fight. Yes. Hadn't fought in eighteen months. Yes. And had to be at least forty five years. He was I do better the root for though. But I. Not out in one minute. Six seconds of the first round by the Albanian bear. I don't remember the real name. But he is the news from New York because his squad was deep eighty was the Abadia bear you have to understand. He wasn't just four three one. When we saw walking in the periphery his hairline was all right. It was all grade out. He was wearing like Ghana gear came to find out that he'd been here and hadn't got his paperwork through. And so we basically needed that check. And he went out there. And he he got like TKO knocked out. But he really get knocked out. The ref was just like why are we on this? We know how this is going you go check man you good right right to your corner to three rounds. There's no question. He could've kept fight. But they were just like why there's there's something I'm gonna explain to your listeners about boxing that you don't understand it till you see it live of always I've always felt like boxing is one of those sports where there seems to be no energy closest to where the actual event is happening. Yes. Football fans in the end zone going crazy baseball. Outfield. You right there over the fence. You're going crazy, but somebody can be ten feet from boxing ring in their sitting silently, the reason why they are silent is because they are probably sitting next to someone who is rooting for the yes. And you yourself do not want to get in a fight. So you can't even be excited because I'm showing up as a neutral party, but everybody closes to the ring has. Yes interests. Yes. In one of the two people, you can't be neutral and beaches that closer to ring it air invested. It was an and that's the sad part. Is that what you don't see on TV is after somebody from Africa gets knocked down the minute. Six seconds in the first round. You don't see the rejection of all of the people in the audience who were rooting for him in how sad they are. And how quiet is that lonely walkie? Yes. I just got the edges caught a -ill. You don't get no music. Welcome back to the lock. Right. That was we were talking about. We'd never see that. Right. Like normal. We've changed the channel by now. Whatever it is they've gone to oppose game interview. We just watch that do put his head down just knowing he had no chance to win that. And he walks out after that. We saw women fight and our society has norms. Correct. And a lot of those norms are in line with being horribly uncomfortable. Watching the woman get punched in the face. Correct. Little tricky. But we knew how to fight was going go when we saw that the Latino woman from New York because there another New York fighter. She was fighting somebody from Austria jails, Puerto Rico versus Austria and Puerto Rico showed up in that pair concords. And we don't mean, no, concord boxing boots. We conchords regal joins. You don't get boxing shoes at footlocker when when a Puerto Rican show of sneakers, you know, they don't take. Here's she took out with a push to the ribs thirty six thirty five seconds with a budget to the ribs. Like we like why is she on her knee? Why like I don't understand what happened and they showed the replay. Live show heart. That's how hard she got punch. And I think at the end of the day athleticism, and I'll admit when I first started watching women's boxing. I was like I don't know order, and then you have to check yourself as a man to go, wait a minute. There's what they wanna do that. I'm a city. She'd be impressed by she would've whooped Albanian bear if we'd be in real about it. I don't think we'll ever get to a coed boxing match in this country. But that is those two fighters of those classes, they probably could think she would want. Well, hold on. Don't forget it was only a couple years ago that America was acting like they wanted to see a co way at fight. They would they said they would see Ronda Rousey, five Floyd Mayweather. And I was like, oh my God America will burn to the ground. We won't have to wait for the twenty twenty electric boxer may alone box. I think they wanted him in makes people wanna Floyd lose, you know, 'cause thing but floating she dish Ragam in may. But that's Floyd smart Floyd advice people who box for the first time. Yes. And they go. Yeah. Give me twenty. Yes. Asian kickboxing fight of what the hell was at a month ago. It. Check. Why would I play the way gave up flowing play? Not play. I'm not going that far in the row. Not just like playing a road game. That's like going to play a road game and riding a bike to get there. No. I don't do that fly jets. Now, I think Jordan playing baseball was enough to show every other athletes that they need to just stay with. And I get a Jordan if you wanted he would've he, of course, he was. But in the two years that we had him think it was a two twenty average. Gabe can check that. I think it was about two thousand to four somewhere in there. Rape fluid with a got fish red arousing. Yes. But if it was boxing it would be horribly comfortable. Yeah. No. It was good. It was it was good to see it live boxing is definitely a very specific type of fan. I put it up there with tennis and monster truck rallies. Yes. Nascar. Where unique that type of thing. Exactly. What I thought a boxing fan feeling this diversity, much basketball football, the mainstream boys? Yes, he had a little bit more of a next but off the beaten paths, m may I really feel like the fight and I've never gone, so let's concretely on this. But I just fights happening in the crowd. Just in the concourse that stadium. There's just people grappling out of respect. Is that is that right threatening? Hey where to may fight. I see your intimate van would you like to graph? A while section. That's my that's my thought about it. You know, it is all of these days. Go with the box with fight as we were in there. And we will watching it. I really did. He told the particular fads have you been US open. Yes. Okay. Here. I went for the food. I'm real I went I went to watch. Serena. I see Serena first round because Streep he's our this here. No this to two years. Okay. 'cause I went three times this year. Right. It's coming up on tickets right here. Yeah. Just one day. I was here. Matt somebody just had tickets when she played Venus somebody in the office just handed. All yeah. Age to again tickets. I went to SPN get some tickets because you can't just bet on one person having the tests, mama and daddy here come up for real put on the tickets together and make it happen. This was my game at the US open rings looking at the rings, those women had on their fingers to whole a whole nother world money out there, baby. It's a whole off you think in terms of the fan base. Well, I would say kind of depends on the Gulf of it, right? Because I feel like dues don't necessarily want to go the golf tournament with a Queen. But the tennis tournament you Queen is going to go to and I was just looking at fingers like how you make light hit that. So rings. Okay. Then this is the knowledge so rains at a at a tennis match a like the sneakers Bengal NBA courtside. Tango, the same saying you like just gawk at all these random wear sneakers on the court. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause yeah. Of course, you like me managed doing a different job, you're rich people eight of been around before. And you realize the details. The details or the rich people like the access the accoutrements. Yes that they throw out there. And man, then Kansas take they 'cause I got to the US. A means I'm down there. Now with these people that came up, you know, up debt posse I'm down there. You know, these other folks man stunt, see I feel out of place stuff like that. I get I got invited by the cubs to they do this like the celebrity sweet. Are you are you there black fan when Mike wilbon can't show up? I think I'm I think I'm in the wings. I think I'm like Rogers like farther still we'll still far into black phantom. But I'm Rogers I'm studying offense. I got the. When he's ready to step down. I'm gonna have to slip in they do this big event. They do a sweet at dodgers stadium. Every and all of the west coast cubs fans in LA stars, whatever. Oh, you wanna come? And I looked at the pictures of the event from the previous she housing. I can't be. IB beyond left feel in dodge even that it was people in that like I didn't recognize him. And then you go Google the name, oh, you produce that that all my oak year. I just need to be outside with my friends and elements. What happens to be here with your friends hap say they happen to you at the box matching we walk it back for the from the bar. We go seats at Ebbets dues, man. They was in their lab. We heard him was classic New York loud. Right. Your son, your son, you're saying, you would son you funny, son. And they put out the cabinet take a picture with you. It was black people are the only race that. I know a compliment can be delivered. It feels like threat. But it's a compliment you funny. You better come over here. Get this Fisher get this right now. Okay. It wasn't can we take a bitch and shoot we take a it's you take it a pitcher. And I demand right now the pitchers happening. I'm just like sure, I if you look at the picture, I'm I'm not gonna name his name. But he's a cool, brother. But if you find the pitcher on my Instagram tagging Instagram, I like, hostage guess. Guess. Hundred percent houses like please help me. Yes. And you look at like the worst of the world, you know, I use USA. You dipped you dipped you you made a halo. You may like about taking on as I turn my back because you don't want them to see you. You know, if they saw you going to be level ten they wanna parts of it. Do you ever get an don't get this a lot? But Trevor Miller gets it where I see people recognize him. And then I see them process whether they like him or hate him for his opinion. Yes. And I can see them recognize him. Trevor Noah, and then keep walking instead of saying something, usually the foes don't pull up with sports. I think that's what sports in politics are different. I think sports is somebody disagrees with you. I think there's still pull up on you like you just in poli. I don't like what you said about the time thing that happens happens. I had to do it actually think about pulling up on me. He told me later because he came up he came across me in office. Right. Like he showed up as some office that I used to record that he didn't obviously didn't expect me to be there. And so whilst pass and there I am on the computer with my feet up. And he went told him later because I had blocked him on Twitter. That you wanted to pull up except he's like what is Bomani. And so he likes shield out. And my thought was. Mr White man, he was gonna pull up on me. And. Is this how to gain work? Yes. So you block and folks you got the head of same, gene? Real like you need to make Shane. Block them in real life too. Like like the only way. He was probably tripping, and he knows he was trip. And that's why he slowed up on the pillow. That's why. Who was it Sodano out in out in LA, man? I don't know how it happened on Twitter. But somehow it came I discovered that Ocho Cinco block me on Twitter and Saddam was like tweeden Notre single it's you got into block them. He's cool annulment undo that man in black me for reason. And I'm pretty sure it was justified. Yes, I'm pretty sure I seven craze. I'm dolphins fan. So I ain't no telling what I said back in twenty twenty and I I did a tweet search to see what I said that was a couple of fantasy football jams made Chad that wasn't fair and put that mass production at his feet when he was dealing quarterback issues. Offense coordinator that wasn't properly distributed. But I earned at block you got accepted if I've made the brother in public out speak in Vilna speak. I respect that too. Yes. But you don't just pull up and go who who's your prop? No own your crazy. Yeah. Pretty much every block. I've gotten was earned said Davis works CBS tournaments. Lanny Davis, son. He has. But you will see him. Yeah. Well, well, he's blocked me and ironed it, but I know earned you'll see him in the press box seen him in quite a long time. The one time I did see him. He was in Durham wasn't. I was doing radio there. And he came in there like looking like the fines yet on light, his leather jagged and t shirt like shirt unbutton light to the third, and it was all like, George the animal Steele coming up out of it. You know? He was he was styled in profiling that day. Now, a man sometimes people block you. That's just what it is ruby told low key. Nobody will believe me when I say this sports. Journalists y'all got as much drama or there's much of a I don't f with him. You know, f- for me as it is enter to as it is comedy. Yes, all it is all why does Mike gaps not like Kevin Hart laude beef. It'd be the same stuff happening professional journalistic circles, it just don't get out. 'cause it's not adding tasers for Jim Nance to get on air and talk trash about dick Alice. Pedicle? Here's where the difference is because you're right about that. Now. Hayden exists in every walk of life. Right. And so you're always going to have a measure of people would be you know, when I wish I was this and that and data died and everything else. But the other part is I realized this when I first started doing radio is that is one thing when to do talking crazy do crazy on radio. It's another thing. We ride in do crazy on radio. Oh, you park your car. You turn your car off you go off the elevator. You open the door. And boom there that person is right there, right because you work at the same place. So people people who work in our business. Get mad at the opinions that they hear the same way that regular people do and then the next level of it is just the Hayden right because everybody believes they could do insert job here. If they put all these people in the street, they can Stephen a Smith job, which is a Roris. I would say the closest that I've ever seen to there being any level of beef within your company, and I and I'm not naming names. But I would say there was it seemed to be some sneak this at Djamil hill. When they were doing the six, and that's like, the only even that was one of those you have to be in the know to even know that that particular tweet statement was even a sneak day like you can't even pick that up as a regular consumer of sports media out. That's interesting, but outside of that, they'll do a great job just keeping it on the loan stamp professional 'cause at the end of the day, we all trying to get check. And I I don't have that many people that work here that I don't like the ones I didn't like really don't work here anymore. See God getting clinic got no beef Demi people, but just be real about this too. I really got no reason to hate. Bettas of people down. There ain't no me. Have you have you seen speaking of which his show on Netflix? Japanese lady come to your house and declining heard about this. But I did not know what people were talking my girlfriend watching. I'm hooked on it. I mean that same show, but for friends like people in my phone, they match your atrophy just like the same. What you come to my house, and it's not like hoarders. These are just people that just have a bunch of furniture in the wrong place into many close into pitchers. They'd just here's how to better organize your belongings. Right. And prioritize them I need somebody to do that. But with people in my phone that I feel like I shouldn't be talking to anymore shouldn't be texted me 'cause I won't change my phone number. I know that's part of the issue as well. That's the quickest way here's the thing though. I had to change mine recently. Right. And the problem is you then wind up with the dilemma of who gets the number, right? Trying to figure it out. And so when I changed mine after I moved here, I tried to find a service that would just do a blast. But I needed to descend like individual numbers, you know, man. Man. She's set up a reply all I would've. I would've would've found app, but it only did it for like names eight through C. And then after that, I would only know that that person hadn't received the number if I open their window, and it was a green dot and not a blue dot zero to main it would be one of those. And so man ahead one. I didn't realize man it's been here and a half. He thought I didn't give them a phone number at a hag give them my phone number. But I just had thought about hitting him up in intervene in town period. Yeah. You gotta do there's a comedian. I know what they did. They got a second phone and put put the, you know, put the eighteenth. But the varsity in this phone, and then the second numbers JV phone and just every two three days pick it up to let me see beat team. They wouldn't even carry the second phone with BT phone. You bought at the house slow day? Shooting texted me from the world of I don't really like you. Really batter right over there. Yeah. Man. No, one loves you Friday night, eleven o'clock comedy central. Do my best to second special number two. So we try to go a little deeper into the water started started little mess. You know? I all I'm trying to do it. Especially is show white people away league stuff that they may not looked at it before. And then just to confirm to black people union alone and thinking what you think? Yeah. Hey, let s you to. You're not crazy. I see the same lead. But that is an interesting thing about being black in content production, generally, I think it goes comedy. Specifically is a significant part of your job. Whether you ask for it to be or not does wind up being explaining stuff to white people. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's there's I understand that. There's this voyeuristic curiosity factor that I think we all have on you're interacting with the culture that you're not that you're not of right? So I can come out and do. His show that strictly for the people. And that's generally what I'm trying to do. But it's kinda like a cycle. Double edge joke where it conserved two purposes at the same time Russell if I can do that for me. That's more my comedic goal. Yeah. 'cause like my trick that I try to pool. Like, this is the biggest influence of the wire all my life in my content is y'all can catch up right lanes. You don't get. That's fine yoga catch up. Right. I figured I would array of ball was figured out. What age file was figured out. What hopper was. Yeah. I trust your ability to work with contests clues to figure that out, you know, who doesn't necessarily buy into that idea of executives. No, they don't understand that concept at all you tell they hold my hand baby. Hold my hands everywhere. I'm going again a pilot that I'm working on comedy central right now. You know, we the nip and tuck phase before cameras. What does this mean? Why does it have to be like seventy simple as saying Jeff coincidentally is about buddy comedy to probation officers handling caseload, and we say Jeffcoat throughout the script. Because no one in any Jefferson County on earth says Jefferson County, all the way you say Jeff go, right? Well, I just think that, you know, maybe we should say Jefferson County a couple of times, and it's just it's always a little nitpicking. But thankfully, you know, comedy central gaming to leeway gave me a lot around way to talk about national anthem protests and police reform and conduct protests. Bring land love meat to and just all types of stuff. Yeah. I feel like in that place. And you think about this always almost always? But I often feel like I'm out here giveaway foes, more credit than the white folks that often make decisions right? Like, I think they can handle stuff like talking about the national anthem and things like that. I think they get handled the jokes that they don't get every night. They sometimes you gotta make people because that's the thing of privileges a different thing. But folks, get handle more than I think that people really give them credit for their ability to handle, but you've never it's never been asked of you. So almost like some some societal cardio that I'm forcing you into doing like, you know, you never really thought and talked about that's talk. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about somebody. Hit it in the special that will you will say Stanford the troops. Okay. Fine. I agree with that Cup of vets family, then they'll bring a troop out at the game for us to honor and clap for whatever. But the one thing they never they give them free food. They give them. Good tickets. The one thing they never give the troupe is the microphone. Let him spit that real. About the issues that are going on in this world. Right. Not just give it up for. Let's check outta hit trooper. The troops to deal to right, right? They are they are they as much as like these these kind of blanket, plastic, you know, we just really love the troops. It Israel though, you get in there and have an actual conversation with people like every year Veterans Day. I do think about hey, man, troops out here hurting, they going through a lot. They try to figure it out that don't always get the biggest sponsor people like you'll thank you say, this ain't nobody else trying to do that. They just aim come here way to default. Man, it make it make fees. I did I've done four USO tours from everywhere from Baghdad to Kuwait to Oman audit Middle East. They pick in the wrong troops to welcome on field. 'cause I didn't talk to Samna spitting that real. And you don't want them. Thousand people. Please give it up for Lieutenant Colonel committee. Hey, man. Let me say something about what's happening. Thank you. Thank you very much. So by about on him good baby get allowed, you know, man. So you know, if you're gonna people make sure you do right bomb, but we don't always do that. Because we try to turn veterans into PR opportunities. I don't like that. Yeah. Now, let me you mentioned that's in the special. Is it hard to do comedy and twenty nineteen like I feel is though you'll have comedians who have the I can't say nothing, no more. And I think it's an easy thing for people to jump on as result. But is it really more difficult? Do you feel now know people who don't wanna hear what you saying are just more vocal? But if you look at what's going on escalating, I don't know how you judge how an industry is doing. But I judged on dollars. Fiscally. Speaking stand up comedy is fun and most of the comedians you like or even don't like for you think they funny or moral. You'll like they morals they still selling tickets is still people going out there to see him. There's more STAN. Comedians on scripted series now than there were ten years ago. That's an increase them's is firm numbers. You can't argue with that. So what's happening? Now is that the people who don't like what you do have a voice, they have avenues they are being heard. So somebody complained about your special somebody complained about a joke. You did. Okay. Fine. Go do the joke somewhere else. I don't agree with how it's always been handled. Like there's comedians performing at universities and getting microphones knee, mashed potato writer for SNL did a show at Columbia. And they got the mic on this joke. Get off the state. All right. Still gave his check. So I it's it's Kim. You take a joke. Do comedians have right, absolutely comedians. Have a right to be of the sorted change. And we have the bigger problem that comedians have now the question is harder to do. The question is harder to craft and create the damn joke in the first place. I training camp is on stage will get to go sit off on the Wayne in recording studio perfecting in tweaking, everything and editing the film and shooting on a closed set jokes created live like comedy comedy is basically that Wessels pretzel in the mall where you just see. You can see a perfect pretzel. But then you look over to Bill is somebody just rolling dough and land out and sprinkling the jalapenos and cheese on the pretzels. And you watching that part of processing on that pretzel sucks. It's raw. Why would you? Hey, man. I mean, put it in oven yet. And I think that's the battle that comedians have to me that the bigger than performance is not even being given the creative runway to be wrong. And find the line at scale, it bagging and boiled distill that down to the best part of the joke, and then present that sort of audience, you don't get to do that also wonder if we are or advocating the inappropr- like. Things that are funny because they are inappropriate. Right. Like, there's there's a wing of things that the fact that you're not supposed to say, this is the reason that it's funny you say it is not because you necessarily believe it. But this is funny because I'm just not just not supposed to lose the last thing that came up with last came Louis C K, the one place where I was like all right guys. Let's chill out here for a second. Was there jokey head, and it really made people mad about the kids parkland kids the league dotty, right? Right. Right. Right. The park of the kids. He was just like why am I supposed to listen to you just because you're school got shot up because you 'cause you it down to ran out. One. I think any other people could've told that joke going to be fine. No by shrine here from Louis, but the point is, of course, that's absurd. Of course. That is ridiculous thing to say, that's the reason why it's funny but Louis also walked into a comedy club with a explain yourself. Yes. Cloud over him until he explained himself anything that he tries to do this edgier to the norm. People always gonna go. How'd you do the it's gonna get heightened? Anyway, if Louis toe that same joke pre scandal. I don't think it's with the same tone of how dare you? But that's also a perfect example of what I'm talking about. That was leaked audio. How do we know that he wasn't trying to get their job back to a place that maybe isn't as a fence as everyone founded? But we'll never know because you. The pretzel still go. Yeah. Affect kid. I use food. But Louis like at this point. He is basically the Arcadia comedy to me in here's one this is why I say this. Oh, so once you know, all this stuff about our Kelly. Okay. Go back through the art Kelly catalog, and you realize wait a minute. This is actually what he's talking about here. Associates. What are Kelly? You knew it a little bit from the beginning. Because you got ready your body's calling all that. But you like, wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no AJ number. You like you'll be doing this? You know, it's like if you found out that I don't know like insert gangsta rapper here actually killed thirty people like, well, wait a minute. Like, you actually do this. And that's what I wrote about you on the train year. Louis were like, wait a minute. Don't we thought you were joking about that stuff? So now, it's hard to take any humor. Lot of masturbation, right? That makes it hard to just be like, oh, he's kidding about insert thing here because that was like, wait a minute. You mean in this stuff? Yeah. Ruins the catalog funny. Nomo? Yes. So the whole catalogs that get it though, the whole comedian away. Yeah. And that's that's where he is. And he is not explained himself. The question becomes does. He oh an explanation. Well, I think the answer to that record. I think he does. Yeah. I need that clear. I think he does all depends on how big he wants to be right? Like, that's my heart. We're Kevin Hart is like, I don't know explanation. Now, man, you out here doing movies top billin with you know, you're in the movie will Walter white. And you get in the top billin in, you know, then you like you do in the movies with the white man and wheel chair that is a explain to people realm that you are in. I think that can have an Louis of probably done the calculations. They sit down with their counter Negga gained cannot afford to not excellent. All right perfect. Thank you. Do the numbers again. Okay. All right. Fearless prediction about Louis is gonna go full villain. Like, we're at the part in dark night where Harvey dent is gonna start turning into to face at this point. And Louis gonna light. It's almost report where I feel like he's performing to spite some of those people that are getting outrage in you can feel it in the tone of some of the materials well lane for the building. Right. Like, if that's the guy that you want to be there's gonna be a cap on where you can go with that. But I think people have the right as absolutely to say, you know, what I ain't doing this. No, I'm not listening to this anymore. But you can't really stop other people from doing it. It takes a lot ask our Kelly. Yeah. I mean, there's always going to be someone that's gonna support that and pay money and for as long as someone wants to pay money to see you, you still have at least a way to put food on the table. But if you think you're going to be able to radically that person, I don't know if that's possible because there's always gonna be supporters. And that's the thing that are Kelly are Kellyanne polish music of the radio, you can pull everything. Everywhere and put them down and everyone can take song they did with actor. But of our Kelly pulls up into Mississippi Heo, forty dollars to see me on stage in a Batman mask. He goes sell tickets. They there there's going to be someone, and that's the part of it. And I talk about that. And that's probably why talk specials that people will put their happiness before your humanity. That's why you got people that are still listen to the music. That's why yet people still go to the shows 'cause the music makes them happy. It makes them forget about something people in pain, and whatever can help them escape that pain or escape their reality. Even for small second big separate the artists from the person in heartbe the Anna disturbing thing with our Kelly when you really think about it is on all levels. It's a lot of people that can relate to him. Right. Like things that are coming out. Here are Kelly the whole I've run a cold out of my house thing, basically because my belief is our Kelly is basically appendix keeps autographs to himself like everything. He does pepin is just the heat home cinema out on the road watch right easy. Just keeps the ball really greedy sort of thing that he does. But that is him. But I think that there are a lot of people who right or wrong relate to R Kelly, and they like a minute, you know, the Enron with a little. Biz Dutta out stuff. There's a lot of women that for whatever reason still see him and see him as somebody that they wind up liking Louis C K on the other hand. Maybe there are people that relate to just being at work without and going to work, but ain't nobody really admitting that they're more people willing to admit that they relate to our Kelly, then they admit Louis C K. I remember told my daddy about Louis C K story, he was just befuddled. Egypt nut understand why they mad at him. No, no, not that. When he was like, I just don't, you know on staying, you know, when you go to Napa just at work your front of payment. About the yet. He just couldn't grasp any of the notion. He's like, this is preposterous paver their people look at our Kelly, and they're like now you shouldn't do that. That's incorrect. Louis C K like, wait. What did you say? Yeah. It's. I can't remember who tweeted it all my guy. But they said part of why the black community. I'm paraphrasing part of black people in the black community aren't willing to get rid of our Killian confront this issue because they still haven't confronted one of their uncle. Yes, what they did to somebody in their own family. I think there's something to that. I'm like Yoda as some as deep in Israel. It's like you are Kelly is a national problem that a lot of people have a local example of or something far more close to home. And that's why I think people don't get when you look at the way the people responded to that documentary, which was disturbing to say, the least team close to home for a lot of people in a lot of different ways right there, like different places within this that you can be you could be the person that is observed by like our Kelly not done something, you could be the person that has been the victim of somebody like R Kelly you could be the R Kelly and the situation and all of us alike. Really like a degree separation away from story like this. Yeah. I it's it's one of those things where you look at it. And it's so light mind like to the point. Why light like when all I'll take back to the New York City cat calling video which which is preemie too. But. It was a precursor to its I can't it as part of the wave of change country. Right. And I had a long conversation with my girlfriend about them. Like just tell me about some of the creeps like tell me what happens on a regular daily basis because I also feel like we have to be men open to educate ourselves on what the hell is going on Ashleigh doing something about it. And I don't agree with deflecting R Kelly and then bringing up the parents, that's that's the thing. I don't like also don't like this Harvey Weinstein R Kelly fossil Cleveland city that the black community is trying to it's not just once it's white offender Arquette, it'd be it aid to community. It's the people yet. Is this yet you you air at me grew like wayans, what academy with what about hobby-wise see, how do, you know Harvey Weinstein is right unless you're reading the Hollywood reporter, the only reason, you know, who are wise because they went and got him and they put him on Blass. Clause dog killer. I don't see y'all. Megan. No documentaries about oldie white. Leeann. Actually press. You've heard rollerblade ski. He's got a big deal ghetto. About this. Yes. These things happy. I just don't be watching this channel that that. I don't like 'cause it's own. What aboutism what about white win? Because the first thing, you know, it's all black kid get shot at will. Well job police. Well, what about what about black on black crime? This ain't about black on black. Crown? We come by the way. Okay. So it's about getting by black. What about our Kelly hurting black women? What about the white people? Yeah. What you just flipped? It doesn't make it better. I don't go to wipers. It'd be like. Yeah. Well, what about R Kelly y'all try to get mad Harvey? What about our Kelly and the thing with Harvey Weinstein, if you were gonna put a visa VR Kelly, right is we're everyone was doing was reprehensible for a number of reasons doll, he wouldn't run a no compound at least as far as I can tell you know, they were leaving their parents houses and running away from home to come live with our Kelly wind up, he's dot factoring legal documents. You have a video, right? Sent KOMO right. Like like Harvey Weinstein was a gross abuse of power because I the way I always read it was a dude who. Finally got up to these higher reaches. And now he had access to all the women that he never thought would give them no room before. And he's like they never gonna give me the wrong for being Harvey. But they don't give me some root for being Harvey Weinstein. They'll do that. And then he went and tree women hor right in plano phone. Soms revenge frame not being nice to me when I was exactly are Kelly is stealing women and girls before they even get to be women. He's literally stealing them. Laurel his from Chicago, it takes little rail to tell the story he told he told on the podcast. So it's it's out there. So I can repeat it that said that party and our Kennedy's on the breakfast club. That is at a party, and he was VIP and there like some archilles people came over Robert would like to meet you like he was summoned. He was like, no it's just walk over and say he's like, that's when he doubles the beginning. Now, some something wrong. See I go if I in that circumstance, I would have gone over because I love story to tell. Like, I just would've wanted to know how this goes after I come over here to talk to our Kelly like I told you about that time that the now president of the United States is for me. Yeah. His lawyer friends got him Cohen sin Zimet Email in twenty fourteen. They like somebody said about him on TV twenty four to fourteen right? There's a print. Yeah. In his essay thing about bond bills. And I was just like you can't have a man that's been talking about like if you're in the NFL, you can't have a man who's dealt with the president of the way he has as one of your owners like this is bad look. And so I think they remain. It was like I look forward to calling here for you or something, and you know, as in straight to my agent. I was like you go you said enough, you'll go ahead and call him, and you figure out what is because I don't know. I don't know what is going to be. And I just never got around to it. But I was going to do it. I wanted. I wanted the story. I wanted to know what this man was set. You're never get around to that. Because I wouldn't go like catch a flight up here specifically to go do. And all that stuff. And now there was a weekend. I was here. And I think actually think they were out of town. So there wasn't going. That's one of those. When you're in the neighborhood, exactly. Both around seeing for me that was the one thing about it. You Ingle summoned me down to black on my. United just go some in me, but I just wanted to story. And now in retrospect, I'm glad he didn't. Because when Steve Harvey and kind gate was getting paraded through Trump Tower. I'd have been on that list of phone calls, and I admit probably showed up I don't I don't feel like the president Braga better things to do is the wisest play as a different situation for me than Steve Harvey when it comes to the whole Trump. Visit I feel like and maybe it's because I'm a comic, and I know a little more I feel like Steve Harvey's record with helping the black community and standing up at a black community and giving money to kids in the hoodie awards and supporting focusing on black biz he has enough of a track record where our right? That's a weird choice. But if you think that will help us. Okay. Steve harvey. Yeah. You get he he gotta give them a pass. He's done way. Too much. I don't agree. With it used. All right, fun Konya another hand. Now, what are you doing? And also don't forget Steve Harvey host Miss Universe, which is owned by Donald Trump neutral, right? The man has called you India. And I got it all the guys that were like no it before Trump became president though. Yeah. But he was still, but that's your guy. Right. Like your guy calls you. It is like, hey, we gotta go in. All right. I guess I gotta go is the same reason why nobody brings up Jim Brown when he talked about black people when he met with Trump because Jim Brown got a deep enough resume to that one. Can it's like marring Jim Brown is like the fact that Mariano Rivera blew a game seven World Series, which is later ride. And no. Who's the greatest relief? If it was any of the reliever who blew Galvante, let Mitch Williams live down game six Joe Carter Toronto. Right. And but Mariana revere literally blows it four NO one never discussed took up. Never mentioned like literally like never happen. We don't talk about it because he built a deep enough resume where we go. Yeah. That's I feel like that's the Trump meeting at least Jim Brown. Steve Harvey still hold over his head. Steve Harvey on say some piss off. But Jim Brown is like you done. Jim. You own probably C T E them Wilno was going on in your head. You ran a lot and your March. Right. We all do respect, sir. I was. Spite of everything Jim Brown has done. Right. Like our machine didn't know like when people die, and we figure out how to deal with them who go over heat win. Jim Brown dies. Right. Because we got a whole lot of stuff that we got to throw in there. But I saw Jim Brown guesses about two three years ago at SoHo house in Miami. And he was a big show and he's walking with a cane. But let me tell you somber, you still don't want it. Around eighty years old walking around in a cut off t shirt arms shmole, Jack you still do on day. You don't even be has to do arm day. I wanna pick your Jim Brown is fourteen thing. Just way we just look the same. I would ride Jim Brown never lifted awaiting his life muscles, just ripped right and catastophe, right right rage. Calisthenics right Brown. Just just doing push ups and everything else though. It's it's world things where I look at celebrity granting. I've never been sent for. You know, what I would go if Michelle Obama will work in on a segment for the daily show, they were trying to get together and supplement we're gonna reach out the Michelle Obama's people if Michelle Obama says, yes, I would do the segment you have exactly twenty minutes this day at this time there though, like when Trevor interviewed Obama, it was literally you have from twelve forty five to one twenty and show up this day at this time and this room and the cameras need to already be set up. I will have my own microphone Obama brings all microphone like it was like he just walks in doesn't interview imbalances. Like, it was smooth as butter. I can't think of many people though that could summon me. Yeah. That I will go and see the us never know who's gonna end up president. That's true. I. Defend that though, even if Trump paraded out like a pitcher, y'all. Supposedly, I have black for the key the black community money. The key is facing making picture, right? Like, if I have been with Trump, and I was begging phase like, obviously, they KC juicy but the picture like this. Yeah. It. Say it, but people can pick up on the New Orleans faceless. I I that's a hostage exactly. Yeah. You can see it all the time as out so with the special like, I'm always curious about this. Because I know it goes that, you know, you do a couple of shows at a place, you put it together, you wind up making special for you. What is the process of craft into things that you do in special? For this one. It was once I figured out what the spine like for for for how I choose to construct an hour. I liked what to be a little thematic is not necessarily a one man show. But every joke needs to come back to the fact that there's insincere sincerity within our society. So any joke that doesn't fit that narrative? You just can't do even the great joke. But it's just it doesn't fit. Okay. Let's start talking about police reform. Okay. Well, there's cops. Well, you're only good cop. If you help you copy just do your job, you need more cops. Okay. But most cops aren't gonna do that because the job stressful. So you got away saving community versus saving yourself cool that fits under Nolan love. So let's build that joke. And then you get to the next thing and the next and all this protests, but most people only show up to protests when it something that affects them personally. Really? That's just the nature of protests. But what I'm noticing now is that there's more people showing up for protests that ain't got nothing to do with them. Cool. Let's talk about it. So I just started looking at the jokes. I had on what the point what's the point? I'm trying to make and then what jokes at that point in. If I got sixty minutes. Cool if not I gotta go, right? So that's the process for about a year and a half ish is working long year and a half as long as should be longer. You have this quick. Like, you know, there are a lot of comics do like a special every year every other year this one nothing is eighteen months between the two for me. The next one I feel like it should be three years maybe somewhere not Chris rock takes five to ten years between specials now coming up with me to joke. How tricky is that the NC NS as a perfect example of you need to be able to make the pretzels and private before you get the polish product, thankfully, the comedy cellar in New York, and my man Neal Brennan out in LA, they run a prop. For new jokes tonight where it is promoted as new jokes. These are. We don't know what the hell gonna come out their mouth just know that it's a new joke working on it. There are no bad ideas there. No bad jokes in this space. And surprisingly like that's where a lot of comments go now to build and work on the material. And in my in my stuff with me too stuff a lot of it was just basically about just talking about. How all of the apologies have just been horrible and just in analysis of all of the apologies. And how you have no smart to just die because that's the easiest were in terms of PR like say what you want about death. But as a PR tool it's undefeated, it is if you want this problem go away back. That's the quickest PR Aldus navigating the statement and what to do. And should you be? Hugh, Hefner died the week before the Weinstein article became public knowledge that strategy. That's not coincidence. You just happen to die at a time. When playmates were getting ready to roll on have for all types of nonsense that was happening in the playboy mansion news now, I'm dead after Bill Cosby, which is is road dog. Right. Yeah. He was. The hardest part of all of that material is just talking about Joe Paterno and talking about how ambitious using. I try to use Hugh Hefner as an analogy for Dino time, and Joe Paterno almost didn't downtown like they took a statue. Then he died. I give a statue. Becky, I let bygones be bygones death is the ultimate forgive her in our society. It's actually funny mentioned that Joe Paterno because I've made this point a couple of times in public in seen really harsh at the time at this hour like part of why can't keep rehiring Joe Paterno. Every year is. Which I'll go into that may dial TV, right? Those so van eighty five years old working stressful job, y'all just keep putting caregivers on him. What are y'all gonna do with Joe Paterno on the sideline and one hundred thousand people have witnessed the death of Joe Paterno? This what it moved into the food. Yeah. Okay. We keep doing this. Some point. You've got to be like Hillman just going to have any day. Now, we can't have Joe Paterno. Die on the sideline. We can't have that. And then everything of course, subsequently like fell apart for Joe potato did. It was the most ignominious is that the where it was ignominious departure that we have. But you're right Joe Paterno had died that previous off season. Bygones by greatest coach ever. Did. You know, it is giving my win. We'll never know what he knew. That's what it comes down to is what we didn't get the chance to talk to the cross examination like, and I can't cross examine you death is the perfect PR tool. Eight point you don't you just have to just die. Exactly, wait to see yours because it's a little brother JJ Dave special couple of weeks ago. James I've noticed that he was seventeen. No, no, like, I called him a little brother because I met him when I was in grad school, and he was a freshman, and I took him in like my little brother like that is that's my do. Today is gonna get you young man's, right? With me day was the daily show. I was there because this is like a big deal. We went down and we did that with him. But he did his metoo jokes over interesting. But I do remember when he started. I was like oh, man. Where's this going? Where's he going? Was he go, and that's what comedy's become now. If you're talking about something that contains the buzz words, you may as well be the guy that pulls out three chainsaws and starts juggling chainsaws. Yeah. It's either going to be the greatest thing that ever been accomplished or you're gonna chap your arm off on stage in somebody don't pull out they phone recorded in secret in put it out narrowbody hate you. But for the most part, I feel like I got everything the jokes. I left out that I didn't have time to really I'll give you a joke that didn't make the special that needs time to be worked MAC and say it here because I can explain it. Yes. Because on stage people just go along. So I've tried to talk about school shootings. And the idea that we live in a society that, unfortunately, we only care when it's a group of people that something tragic happens to like like what hurricanes. Okay, hurricane comes in radically. The town hundreds of thousands homeless, and we send the money, but there's only like three four million homeless people in America, but they're not homeless group at the same time. Right. So we don't care because sprinkler around. So you'll drive pass a homeless person, but you will send money to have a group of suddenly homeless people and that intention should be the same. And I was trying to talk about how you look at what's happening on the country with school shootings, and how shooting can happen at a school immediately. Add the school system goes in guidance counselors grief counselors, candlelight vigil, you get a couple of days off. Let's all talk about it. Let's talk about feelings. But can we do to prevent this national conversation? What I was coming up if somebody shot in school. They literally didn't even stop class like is Jimmy dead. Turn the chapter six anybody want Jim his desk. And so the joke as it as it would I can't control how people take the joke and people take it as a joke about the victims in it's not it's about acknowledging the fact that we progress as a society where if enough people are injured or hurt that they will get the care that they need, but isn't the one as important as the mini. But I haven't figured out how to say it and make it funny without it. And it's just I tried to joke whether Iran that joke up until two days before the special, and it was just it was I was like a train a doing a workout on a player that I can't clear you for for play that he just I'm sorry man is too many weird facial expressions when I push out there. She she put you on stage. I noticed when you pivot everybody thinks it just that you're making jokes about people that you respect, and you can't be taken the wrong way on national television. Man, I got got because singer back down to triple eight Fulla while their job is to be up. Louis CK all about those kids get shot at school. But that's not what I'm fully understand. But but it hearing foods it's a joke about caring for one person to send care for the for the one. That's only gets you trying to say Louis like the joke is who do we listen to it? Why? Right. It just so happened that he told it about children who. Movies. That would that joke was okay. Maybe these might make me feel better about defected. I got the joke, and he joked two years ago we'd've into the aisles. But but Nope, not now. No, I couldn't have that joke. That's a joke that totally that job is done wrong. Then I got I got spending next ten minutes. Digging out of those are the stakes that actually doesn't chainsaws, bro. It doesn't have that much on our show, obviously. But I'll hear different ideas like the runway this narrow right like landed right on the runway. You got it comedy. Now is like landing an airplane those that over the Hong Kong airport when the runway was at a different angle in the planes will literally buzzed the tops of apartment buildings as they landed. Like literally within like fifty feet of a building. Yes. That's that's comedy. Now. It's like China land on aircraft carrying across win. Yeah. And it's funny because I don't know how you do it as a comic because my thing is if I got it like my rule on Twitter if I gotta have a second thought. And not doing it. Right. Especially as I get paid off at right? Second thought. Nope. Nope. Nope. Not worth it. I'll come up with something else. I deleted all of my old tweets I deleted. I did a fool. I think you can go back to years as much you can go back. I went back basically when I got hired at the daily show. Oh, you only go back to know. I get for my time. I killed every tweet. It wasn't even about sifting through and finding the at that time. It was like, you know, what not just kill it. All 'cause that way you're forced to judge me on the now because there could be a joke that you may. That's okay today that next year might be the Jodi that you know, whatever so kill them all know that whatever I did. And I didn't what's crazy. I didn't find anything that that. I was more embarrassed in my choices in television. She's going through my old tweets. I defended twenty four. A great show is going to my season one season two twenty four tweets versus my season. Seventy give it added same thing with the Walking Dead guy. You thought you told me to walk in day of it's gonna be what it is. Now a rating to down and honoring the source material as dogging I think it's on Trayvon about Twitter stem like that in the heart. They really talk about now is it was a different place in two thousand nine nobody saves me. Something different like tweets are now public statements. They were not public statements before it was like probably people. Hey, how do we get hold of this or whatever? And then everything serious like everything was there was a significant take into the things that people said on Twitter that was not necessarily. People had in two thousand nine they looking at it. Like nobody's watching now. It's everybody's watching. And so what we do like we did as teenagers. When we go back and tweets they between fifteen-year-olds fifteen fifteen-year-olds between their friends. They just like tweeting today buddies. Yeah. But they when you become grown, and you become visible. We now hold you to the standard of your visibility for these things. You did when you were fifteen and you're like, oh, but that wouldn't will be was doing Twitter is. Doesn't shock me that people put a lot of weight into Twitter because as a society at least as Americans. We're more obsessed with who you were than who you are. Yeah. Nobody really cares about who you are. There were no you were giving your resume where you used to work. Pull up your credit report who you used to. Pompeo Twitter who used to talk trash about. Yeah. Like, that's that's what will as you can see different personnel at paid all of my bills on time for fifteen years now just pull up you drive in history. When you used a crash pull up GIO record been? You've been yet. But I got arrested twenty years ago. Me. See if I still beside. It's like you're using the past to judge the now, and that's that's all it is Twitter's behavioral credit report. Yup. Oils, hit delete. We also may people answer for themselves. Like, that's what I think is also happened to that. Twitter's gimmick answered it. Bubbles name you tell us what it was, you know. But I already told a bunch of the people tell the magazine what it was not until you again between tell me, you know, and told them I can send you the link yet to the mega more about will reach link rec-, Brazil, Kevin Hart has it seems like is that Kevin's like yo van I feel like I talked about this people like, no, no, no, you deed, but he talk a little more, but that's some kissed the pinky ring nonsense that if he's rich enough to say kiss, my Thang on do it. Yes. But that that little until you doing allergy then we will allow you to host the thing. And clearly they need to Kevin Hart more than cave needed because they could find another host. I will say this for Kevin Hart, though, it is what worry me about his. I couldn't tell if he was joking right? 'cause Tracy Morgan got in trouble for the same joke. Remember that somebody came into club one night, and he did the audio, and he did think about if, you know associate he be, but problem is Tracy Morgan sounds so absurd like the whole joke betrays emerge Morgan is the full on absurdity of what he was talking about that. I remember that happened. I was like I sure that's really how he feels. So the thing that I don't like about that. When you're pulling snippets like that. You don't have the feel for that live show wherein his set was that joke. What was the you can go don't choke 'bout that at all? Okay, fine. That's that. I respect that perspective. But as a comic, I have to know if he made that joke, twenty minutes after joking about all of this craziness than totally I know that's different. And you're a comedy show was a meal. And you're lifting one snippet of that meal and going this is a terrible. Chef it's a terrible, right? Liz it 'cause you pull the new pool. One little walnut off to salad. You believe you have who will. What was the rest of the salad, right? What was it all working with? I think that's where the difference between doing a joke like that live versus Twitter. Right. He did it on the tweet. And this isn't actually funny is it or did you read it in Kevin Hart voice because if you read every Kevin Hart tweet, and Kevin Hart voice. It's hilarious. You know? And there's nothing to that. Right. Because I'm not a big cat, but was the tone aid. And those are things that you just don't come through on Twitter, especially not back in two thousand nine in. He would have been better off if you tried to have that conversation rather than okay, I messed up, you know, I ain't gonna probably gay folks. So I'll give me I would hurt my gaze on. And then people over this house here. Right. Like, we know we don't feel like you mean this. You know, what's crazy though? I what I feel like now when I tell people that I just deleted all of my tweets like, it's like you can say you're off Twitter and people respect that. I don't do Twitter people respect it. But then you go just deleted everything from this point to this point that. Somehow make some people feel more suspicion at at a person who I will. Why would you do that? Why would you will what was going on? But they treat it like a room in my house. That's got the double locks on it that you're not allowed to go into no matter. What don't go upstairs those of the old tweets? And now, you feel like there's some part of my life that you're not maybe you just went supposed to have access to that. Anyway. And I it's it's is if people want access or no access at all when you give them limited access is how dare you. We look convicted of a felony. Yeah. When don't matter it was it was longtime going on about an angle right on my job application, but how how will we know whether or not to. That's what you have references. Yes. His you gotta have people. That's how much people don't trust people. You got to have another person. Go. Yes. Trust him. And I got to say, I've never know we revenue on this. But nothing seems silly to me than the reference on the resume like I'm not we're not sending this to independent three person arbitration board, you call them my partners. That's to call about this. I'm not calling somebody to give you an accurate read on who. I am. Why would you even think that I will put that down? We pretty other down as old manages on jive evocations in college. I was managed Burger King store. Fifty one. About three years. Yeah. I'm at store. Fifty one fifty. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Clifford was a great employees very exemplary, and blah, blah, blah pluses fast for on fast food, call references anymore. Although I do feel like they need to call them. The most like. All I wanna know is he gonna show up on time. They did he have a long shift. He might not. But his burgers, and you pay them will. So some days he won't come in and fight a customer. You got to decide if that's right for your store. Very often. By the way is necessary for your store, you got to have at least one kill. I I wouldn't be surprised if now fast food manages scheduled shifts will, you know, you've got at least one bruiser on the shift at all time. It's like hockey you got to have a goon somewhere in the back at all times to protect the front line. Toda's Yona who go is is negative store. Homeboy tells the story about the church's chicken on Lee street in Atlanta owed about eight UC right up there over up to hill by Morehouse, and he went into get some charges chicken because broke and so two of them, and they in there, and it is a very obviously flamboyantly gay dude work in the register at charter. And some news in the line, and they had some disagreement about something and the dude in the line called the gay dude, a tried and true, slur, rega- peop-, and the gay do was not having it and he'd had enough. He's like, oh, no Ono. You know, all that. You know? So I did not do any education in my voice right there. Two rats afar. Defense is like, oh, no, no not going for this. And so he goes to the back now, I really think anything of it do guys churches. I don't know if he's sitting down holding bag, whatever Ness thing, you know. That gay do came back with a pot of Greece. Hot. I don't know where we're at the guy got out of there. But the ball of the story is it's the going in there somewhere if the fast food restaurant is in a neighborhood that looks Guna. There's a goon don't think you know, who to goon is because the goon had to still be able to get the job. Yeah. You never know who to they can turn the goon off. Just to get you a bad somebody coming at you with a pot of chicken, grease from churches. Knowle's see von even. That's why when I wanna fast food spot unbel-. So I just just be much appreciation. If you just make my food for magic. I think if I treat fast food employees like veterans, they dammed they're getting gotta fight. You gotta punch. Thank you for your service. Right. That is ROY junior checkout. His new special. No, one loves you, January twenty fifth comedy central eleven o'clock streaming on the app after that. And you can buy for three dollars or something on that tones. I dunno. If you get a VPN you overseas, just bootleg. I know you can't watch comedy central. Yeah. You also check him out on the daily show. Yeah. Yeah. Daily show is always dealing with the daily show. And if you see him on the street talk loud and ask them take a picture, which he led and take this flick. Right now. Presenter by listening to the right time thing couple times week Mamane gay Bassein. 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The Right Time Book Club: The Fierce Life Of An American Hero

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The Right Time Book Club: The Fierce Life Of An American Hero

"Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right time now same as last year. We wanted to do a salad for everyone and put all our discussions from the right. Tom Book Club in one place that way. If you wanted to get to the book later anything like that you could this. Here's addition was on Mike Freeman's Jim Brown fierce life of an American hero thought it turned how pretty well so check it out yes. It's time for the right time book club this summer. The book that we're using is Jim Brown the fierce a life of an American hero by Mike Freeman. We're GONNA Lonzo Neil of the undefeated to talk talk about the book at the end of the month. We'll have Mike Freeman himself to talk about the book in August but first we're gonNA talk to the first one hundred pages of the book with ESPN's Howard Brian almost at ESPN in the magazine but I guess that is not what it is. No two more months okay got. Ya Se I don. I didn't know the tentacles on that. I didn't like fully read the memo in particular but we talked on the phone. The other day and one thing you asked me was why chose this book and I told you that the reason that I did this was I think Jim Brown Jim around is we're. GonNa have a hell of a time figuring out what exactly it is that we are going to say about him and I thought that this book overall pretty level look at him that doesn't get too caught up in the mythology of Jim Brown at the expense of some of the things that aren't nearly as glamorous as what he was as a football player but the first hundred hundred pages so we're really going through the nineteen fifties on this now wonder for you. Like how much did you know about his experience at Syracuse before this book a lot of I knew a lot of it was new. I remember that was the HBO Documentary Jim Brown All American. remember also talking to Jim a couple on a couple of occasions agency but most of this was new news placed in really good context. I thought that it was one of these. One of the values of doing this type of assignment is going back and realizing all that you don't know and obviously you know read Dave Sirens Jim Brown book last year but Jim Brown's a shadowy figure in a lot of ways. I don't think that there's ever been that that one project that one definitive project project where you would go into this just feel nail down and feel like okay. I got this the way you would say like the David Maraniss Vince Lombardi book or or even even the Richard Ben Kramer Demise Yo Book it you know Jim Brown is a is a you're right when it when the time comes whenever you want to do some. I'm sort of retrospective on Jim Brown. It's never going to be easy well. I found it interesting in this of course he was born in Georgia and then moved to Long Island I think he said when he was eight years old he made the move up there but one thing I find very interesting about him and I think really does inform a lot of things that happened later with Jim. Brown is that he seems to have had what is an American rarity Arazi which is an integrated childhood and adolescence yeah. You know I mean it's I. I I guess the best way to put it in reading the early pages about how Mike Sorta sets up his childhood he he talks about he talks about saying where he's from Georgia and then making that transition up to New York and one one of the tough things in retrospect when you're reading these types of books and and obviously when you write books now is that you try to read them you know. Can you read them as a reader or are you reading here. I I would've done it and so it makes it difficult to sort of get a feel for the the the different nuances of the storytelling but I always found myself somewhat skeptical of The manhasset sections where they're talking about that. We didn't have any racism here. I don't know why this town was different and and as an east coast or you know who grew up in these types of communities where every community thinks they're different the embedded racism in there is fascinating and but but it was interesting that his memories of being in the south where so sharp as an eight year old or when he was even I think around I think six or seven he really spent most the time there and then by eight he was gone so he he had both in a lot of ways he had the childhood of the you know the East Coast and sort of Long Island in integrated dynamic but also he still had memories of the South too so we got a pretty even know by the time he was a teenager. He had a pretty good shape of what what America was kind of all about news. An example would seem to be very formed a story for Jim. About you know his mother working down south. There's grandmother can't remember which but he goes there because the man that she worked for wanted to meet him because of his act you know everything he pulled pulled off. He's any went down there and never let them in the house. It was like God eating. That's exactly what I was reading that anecdote. I was like okay so you're gonNA make him come around back with. He didn't let him stay in there at the front door and so these customs are it's the customs are are so ingrained in there so powerful even when you try to have these heroic figures and I know you WanNa get into Paul Brown. I'm sure a little bit later but even when you're looking at the Paul Brown character and how Paul Brown didn't have a racist bone in his body or Paul. Paul Brown was one of the rare white men who you know who was willing to challenge the you know the segregation Gatien though the of of both football leagues in the in the late forties and but still that those customs and those those attitudes inform everything you can feel it as A. I don't know if you've read unforgivable blackness on Jack Johnson but he they were there the story he talked about what book Washington divided the White House by Teddy Roosevelt and he said he didn't respect that man he said if you expect respected him when he had him there he wouldn't sat and had dinner with him but he didn't didn't have dinner with him like that's how you know that this was just window dressing and you're right when you talk about those customs. It is those little things like that that you stop and look at it and be like okay. This actually isn't how you treat people no exactly right and and this is how I'm treating you so that that's the thing where you it's always when when I when I read I always take a look at a couple of things one thing. I always read when I'm reading. Fiction is how is the how does the author described black characters offers and when I'm reading nonfiction especially when I'm reading a biography like this one I always take a look and see how the the the white particulars the principals and the story how they are describing the very environment that our protagonist Jim Brown is living in and the gap is amazing the gap it's always very very wide and it shows you exactly the the space between the black experience and the white experience where you have the white coaches and you have the the white people who are interviewed in there. It's almost like it's like. What game are you watching? The these two experiences are so lived so differently and and it's funny because you as a as a writer and as a reader you're asking yourself. The question is it. The writer's writer's responsibility to bridge that gap or is the gap so obvious that it need not be spoken because you're reading it and you can send it for yourself yeah. No this is like I have the same way as you were about the stories about manhasset where there's always something underlying right like there's always like it's hard to believe in but the thing about Jim mm-hmm is Jim always says that the most important in his life have always been white men you know like he even though he yeah but but even still though he's not a star are Ya dude about these sorts of things. No point was he in a position where he rewound and look back at some of these men. It'd be like no it was actually more messed up than I realize no. He's ride with him to the end yeah. He's riding with the individual talking about the I'm talking about the individual's attitude about the region and so and absolutely it makes perfect sense because these people the ones who are in power and it's not just the power but anybody who's a kid anybody who can remember with any sort of accuracy being a kid we all on no especially boys and especially boys playing sports people who take an interest in your success. You remember them for the rest of your life. People who take an interest in you actually becoming coming something because we're so used to everybody telling you what you can't be. You remember those people who said wait a minute. This one was actually encouraging to me and I do believe in that regard guard that it's not it's it's not hyperbolic nor is it nor is it fiction that these guys really did take an interest in them but I think it's also multitasking you. Take an interest in these individuals but you're also not out there. Crusading breaking down barriers and breaking down customers. You're living within the custom while taking an interest in this individual right right and then after that the Syracuse stuff is so fascinating to me including the fact that Jim Brown got tricked into going to Syracuse veteran even going. I you know the the Syracuse stuff to me was so far was really really really fascinating. It was the most most dynamic stuff that I've gotten to so far and part of the reason is because it goes back to this question that we're having about the writer responsibility and I'm interested in hearing what Mike I've got to say about this when you have him on the writer responsibility of filling in the gap or just letting it speak for itself and letting the reader understand what they're reading eating and this the Syracuse stuff speaks directly to this entire question of how we set up sports. We set up sports as the meritocracy. We sat up sports as the place. Where if my score beats your score than racism doesn't matter? I'm faster than you. I win when you lose. We're straight and we do this. Not just you know we talked about this with the heritage last year. We talk about this in language. We gotta level the playing field. We talk about we. It's embedded in our language in sports has so much power supposedly because of that right and yet you read this book and you see that one the coaches I didn't want him. The coaches whereas racist is anybody. They weren't welcoming to him. You find out and you recognize. If you really start taking a step back that for all the talk about the talk and sports you've got quota systems throat every single sport whether we're talking basketball where you're not supposed to have five black players on the court at the same time where talk about football where you're not supposed to have more than ten black guys on the team baseball was supposed that you only supposed to have two blacks and you weren't supposed to have any black pitchers or black catchers so so it really does throw into stark contrast to it of the hypocrisy of all of sports sports is no difference is actually worse because sports is the one place where you can just get on the field and play. It's not gonna be someplace different where you're in a board room and you've gotta gotTa figure out all these different politics within a framework now it's me and you on the field and they still have quotas and that just quotas which you couldn't have odd number over of eager race on team then you'd have to have one jess worn mixed roommate pair on the road although I have to say this the level if I am running the team man. I can't imagine what that drawing names. Out of hats is liked decide. WHO's got to be the one to do you want to be like I had to admit I would want that problem. Yeah no no no now. If you're the Brooklyn dodgers with Jackie you just call the writer you get. Wendell Smith and say. When do we need you to room with Jackie or you or you find another one the black room but our black players they designed to keep it even but yeah so you know Jim. Jim Finds out that basically they took donations from the hometown to send him to Syracuse. The guy is like look if I get him in. They'll wind up giving them scholarships and that Kinda sorta happen but it's wild to read that and think about the very idea that it took a while to make football coaches come around on the idea of putting Jim Brown on the field and once again what it tell you it goes back and it just lays waste waste. I don't care about the color of skin care if he can perform at the high level. GimMe a break stop. Just stop it and stop making it seem like the coaches are somehow different. The coaches are the ones who the worst ones 'cause. The coaches are the ones who weren't gonNA. Put you in position. They were going to be the ones who weren't gonNA. Let you play quarterback or a center and they were the ones who weren't GonNa let you play Middle Linebacker occur in safety and all the thinking positions so it's it is informative reading this especially where we're at right now and it just shows you the the the that so much sports that this whole idea of of the meritorious sporting environment is complete with someone what's interesting about this and I'm curious what you think about this because I grew up around and largely suburban area around a lot of white people you grew up in an urban black environment and part of what jumped out out to me about the Syracuse years. Is this something about when you go meet like new white people as a black person right like when you start your childhood and you dealing with people year after year after year that you know you're going to have more. You're going to develop some familiar relationships with people and is not some like it transcends race sort of stuff but you get people that are actually actually no you and then and you get to this place out of nowhere where nobody knows. You and you're like Whoa this feels. This feels a lot more like what I've been reading. It goes way different right and that's what that really jumped out to me about what's going on with. Jim is like I can look back at me growing up and look I went to school growing up in Waller County Texas which has been in the news at various points. You may recognize the town I can't. I don't look back at that negatively at all like I don't have those kinds of stories and memories about me. Growing up I moved to California when I was like twenty one one southern California and I was like yeah. Why are these people crossing the street. When I come around you know it was it was the one of the most jarring things that had ever happened to me because I went. I've my optimism was slowly dying. I guess is the way to put it in the south. That's what happened to Jim. Yeah no doubt and what in what ends up happening you you find you. Find People get tested. We all get tested and for me growing up you found that the your white friends were the ones who got tested even more because yeah. I always have my guard up when I was around white people especially around new white people because you never knew when they were gonNA. Change on you never knew when the shift was gonna come and as you got older you could tell it was always when the alcohol started flowing when the adult started drinking or whatever here come the slurs and you you knew that things were starting to go a little dark a little sideways but it was to me it was always when we were in new environments around new white people where you saw your white friends. They were the ones who who got all squirrelly because they didn't WanNa be judged by being friends with you. They were the ones who are waiting to get you know to get all the slurs to get attacked for very e- even defending. You and you knew they weren't going to have your back because they didn't want to deal with the weight of that but it's true. I think that when you're you know when you're looking at the Syracuse years does this shock of the I think the sentence that Mike had in there where he said something like that the racism was is not this you know the or the tolerance was not the same once you got beyond Manhasset town limits. It was sort of like okay on the one hand. You were like well. That might be a little hyperbolic in the middle thinking okay well. Manhasset wasn't all that what they thought it was but it was also sort of that stock reminder that the minute you got within ten fifteen twenty feet of your personal surroundings things we're. GonNa things we're going to get real real hostile take much. You know what I mean. I just take all you need to do is go a mile go like in Boston. It's definitely like Boston Boston. You go in the wrong. Neighborhood was sitting. It's like being in a foreign country. You know people talk about saying. Lewis was del Mar Street. All you gotTa do is cross. It crosses the same Boston on the side of the street holiday like there's only one place in New York that that I really feel that it is when you go above ninety six magic line absolutely ninety six is such a last year like Yo. How did that happen so headed. How did that happen so fast. Through that used to be the magic land across the West side to the minute you cross that line of taxes wouldn't go above their you know. That's why I had the car services. This is up in up in Harlem and everything else because that was the magic number. You know you know you stay below it. You were in Manhattan. You stay above it and you were in. You know you were in dark town. I gotta I gotTa say it is though if there is a price auto iphones moving into Harlem. It is a lot easier to get a cab. Dj Remember Two thousand yeah like two thousand seven. Kevin wasn't really happening right. I moved here in two thousand seventeen is like we have to. They've got special ones for us. The crane lifts exactly yeah you know and and they'll go up from town. Yes 'cause you could be mid Tennessee yeah. I'M GONNA win thirty fifth like not in this car. Get out yeah. I've never had anybody down location. Since I moved here. It's definitely happened prior. No question that you bitch and Paul Brown a little bit earlier and you are baseball guy first and foremost here's what I wanted to bring up about Paul Brown that things just kind of generally interesting thing which is Paul Brown is a significant figure in the integration of professional football and in college football at Ohio state and everything else but like baseball all is leaned in on the idea that he played a role in the integration of America even though the NFL was integrated before baseball was baseball. Mitt something different so Jackie. Robinson means something different and even if it's just like window dressing the surface level stuff baseball leans in on it basketball and football have never leaned in on their branch. Ricky's in that way I know it like Red Auerbach who read our back and Paul Brown both really famous coach somehow. That's not the top line on their resumes when it had so much to do with their success well. It depends on where you're from. If you're from Boston where I am from it was real. Didn't you that the Celtics were you know because Boston got called racist often. What about the Celtics and everybody talked about the Celtics like that was that was Boston's number windshield. Well read are back draft. Cooper and right are back hard. The first black coach back put five the black players on the court at the same time so what about red so for me. The Celtic legacy is part of growing up. We already do that but but you're absolutely really right. It never went national it. Never it didn't even stay in Boston after a certain number of years and part of the reason probably was because I think on the one hand you don't have either sport really taken off until baseball is already well. Well well established establishing the Robinson legend is already well established so it was like okay. We can't compete with that but on the other hand. I think the other reason was because the players themselves didn't and play along one thing you know about Jackie. Jackie played along Jackie was like I was the principal actor and Mr Ricky's drama and he he wrote along those two who went into the sunset together. You talked to Bill Russell. He'll say what he had to say about read but he had way way more worse things to say about Boston and you talk about Jim. Brown same thing you know Jim. Brown may have things to say about Paul Brown. Jim Brown didn't like Paul Brown. They did not get along so you didn't didn't get the black actor to play along to be that sort of spirit of lightning the way the way branch rickey had that with Jackie and I think that's really significant. I think if Jim if Jim Brown or or Bill Russell had both played along maybe that story is different but baseball had such a head start in terms of the national than the you know as the national game anyway with cared about football really and also football to baseball the fact that baseball integrated before football because Jackie signed and forty five even though the NFL integrated on the pro the actual black player playing was forty six Kenny Washington and Marion Motley and those dudes. I think that just football just wasn't wasn't as popular now. All this is happening and say nineteen seventy nineteen eighty somewhere in there where football began to overtake baseball different story but football just college football was more popular than pro football in nineteen forty five. You know everything about our back to never forget. He is also the man that looked up and was like yeah. Those teams didn't sell no tickets and they didn't tell the other thing they never do at the end of the bench where they don't matter but if there is a halfway decent white dude in any draft. I that will find him. Hey come to this day. That'd be maybe a little less so now but even the Danny was going to go out of his mind to get Frank Frank Kaminsky crank Jordan beat up to it but but but the thing the thing about it though is I'll always gives us to read though Larry Bird Kevin McHale. Yeah you do what you gotTa do to get those do they did it become a problem until he started getting Michael Smith's of the World Michael Dean Raja and they really we couldn't play. That's what it was like. Hey you're going a little too far on his buddy gave aged well and and let's not forget Larry for all the things that Larry talked about with this as you know Larry. Also you know he rode hard on Austin Crozier yeah he did but you know what though let he wrote. Austin crozier and the big one was look what happened to that roster after the brawl that's right bill citizens writing columns that their motto should be working white do for you like that. He's like look. I got to get people to come back to block his hot too hot right now we need. We need something else but with the the NFL like the stories that Jim Brown I was talking about with Paul Brown and farther in the book will get into this but it's pretty amazing though that Jim Brown was good enough in the nineteen sixties to win. A power struggle with the man who at that point might have been considered to be the best coach in the history of football. That's right and but once again this is the thing that Jim Brown when you think about Jim Brown as a as a man he understood his worth and that's the that's the thing that everyone keeps trying to get players to understand. You actually do have leverage here. You may not think okay. Do you actually do have an enormous amount of power and I think that in in reading those sections especially really the sections where Paul Brown is giving these speeches and Mike was writing about how felt like you were talking. He was talking to a bunch of five year old. This is the reason why I was. I was like yeah I would never be. I don't have any talent but I also didn't have the the mentality to be an athlete. I wouldn't let couldn't listen to that and to to be humiliated by I and and to be disposable and they really are humiliating paragraphs but they're also illuminating in so many ways you gotta be of a certain mindset and also the fact that that when they're talking about the level of discipline that these men need that these boys needed through sports and everything else and how Paul Brown was one one of these guys. You know who would tell you how you were going to act the racism in those sentences just the actual. You don't even need code but in there it it really is powerful and I think I think I'm answering my own question about whether or not you need to conceptualize it or just let it sit there. Cause letting it sit. There was plenty yeah. No I mean some of those things just and when you listen to the what the racism was it was so basic right like you know like this isn't it is a grand conspiracy then a lot of ways just kinda operates in works on its own but like the fact that he's always being compared to this one black do exactly to remind let me that speaking of players that reminds me of whenever you would talk to Keith van Horn and everybody kept trying to compare Larry Bird and keeping not on my games like Derrick mckey. All people people dared McKee's but that's what he wanted to kind of pattern my game but we see that happen all the time and that's the thing thing is like I think when you're reading biography and you're thinking how how much are you reading the book to learn about the person and how much are you you reading the book to sort of validate your own worldview and this is how you can tell it's like when I watch a movie. I decided you ready to ride with this director and with the director. Did you know where the director is going. If you're willing to take a ride with that director chances are. You're GonNa like the movie if you're like yeah. I don't really buy it then. It's probably not gonNA work. If you WANNA understand who Jim Brown is. This book is terrific. I mean there's no way you can read the first hundred pages of this book and say. I don't know how he is the way he is as you read it and you say I don't know how he could be any other way. Because the the customs mm are so crushing and so okay you're going to be like you know whether it's you know the personality like Roy Campanella or a personality like Jackie aqui Robinson or personally like Jim Brown or or a Bill Russell. These guys had to live in this in how you navigated this was going to determine what kind of person right and you ended up being all right that is our man how Bryant check out the heritage that this is a book they put out last year. They're just came out right. Yes Sir Alf is mad but absolutely elite absolutely check that out is a great book and this is doing the right time bookl- up here Jim Brown fears life and American hero by Mike Freeman. Were one hundred pages in line. Ao Neil will join us at the end of July to talk about this. Mike Freeman will join us in August and my man thank you so much. I appreciate it man my pleasure yes pretentious music to let you guys know it as the next installment of the Right Time Book Club we are Reading Jim Brown the fears life in American hero by Mike Freeman previously we had Howard Bryant on to talk about the first third of the book will have Mike Freeman the author of the book to talk about it next month before July I from the undefeated we have o.`Neil joining us here and I thank you kindly for joining us here. Thank you so much for having to tell myself to lower my voice. You you have a soft delicate voice that I'm hollering and now I know him how to put my hand well. It's a book about Jim Brown's Holland. That probably work yeah. I think there's something to that and also so for those who don't know Lyonnaise wants to shot he marshawn Lynch I did I did and I started my career in sports writings so yeah with off have to obey the manual. There done started taking. I shot a hinny gang now. There was all kinds of things that was left out the manual without you say that for the memoir what it is big you say before he was like you know. I don't like really a sports writer right that was that was your your clearwater clearwater for me and I tell you no no no we're here. We're checking slightly different box because I think it would be wildly inappropriate to talk about a book about Jim Brown or just talk by Jim in general without talking to a woman about this because I think I think and I wanNa know what you thought about this. Idea in Mike Talks about a little in the book the title of it the idea of the fierceness Andy Idea Jim Brown is a hero but the book does not position that is though the more onerous things that Jim has done in the middle don't matter but it does get it to like an odd end point of sorts I think you're right in and and what you're saying is that with him positioned as hero these things that he's alleged to have done an had have have done and and gone through wasn't disqualifying right that we still are putting him in this in this stratosphere where he he made all these strides in the sport in in civil rights you know in the society and that there was another side to him and these other things that he did are troublesome some and in a way although they've been adjudicated the culture is still wrestling with what we do with guys like this and wrestling unevenly yeah part of why. I wanted to talk about this book is I thought about this when he died. I was like what in the world are we. GonNa do in Jim Brown does because there is no simplicity in dealing with this and my leaning is that you don't dismiss the things that he did. There were overwhelmingly positive but he is a he is an interesting case and I think somewhat rare where where the things that he did that. Were good were of a fairly spectacular magnitude and the things that he did that were bad. Were the exact same same magnitude on the other side exactly exactly and and it's it's GonNa be a real challenge because in sports we want simplicity right you want what's that hero that guy that runs you know more than a thousand yards and is an iron man and can get out there and shrug golf the pain and do all of this you you want that kind of stoicism and uprightness to translate into what he does in his private life the way he walks through the world and it completely ignores the ways that one fuels the other. Maybe you don't get to be that fierce guy I on the grid iron you know that's driven by something that comes from somewhere and so this notion that we can have it sort of kind of neat has been in disproven over and over and as you say it with Jim Brown spectacular on the field and spectacularly awful in so many ways off the field some of the things that he did and the tie seems to bind it all though is a notion of masculinity car ride like it's it's for me. It's hard to separate because what brings it. It altogether is that in some considered the best and worst ways. This is a portrait of not necessarily masculinity is but certainly a very nineteen sixties his performance at right and particularly black power nineteen sixties form of masculinity 'cause tied to so many of those dudes is a startling level of misogyny well right so it's a subset right. You have masculinity. You have black masculinity. You have black power masculinity which I would imagine we'd be different from. Say a black artsy masculinity or something like that but yes that's the through line right so the notion that you are the you know this bad ass on the field that that you go out there and you're punishing men for trying to tackle your dominating them not just physically but you know kind of bending them. AM to your will in terms of plays and strategy and then you know all off the field old you have these women you starting with your wife who he appeared to imply. Hatton grown enough if with him right that as his star got bigger she wasn't able to evolve to be more ambitious and to show other sides of her abilities and personalities at the by the same token. Why do I WANNA woman. Who's got her own thing. Why do I want a woman who's not just GonNa be there and wait for me and you know sort of support me. Why would I get married to someone like that. So it's a complete contradiction. That doesn't even make any sense cannot be embodied in one person and got more and more sort of startling as you went went along as you read the book as you're like. What did he really say that. Even even in the sixties and seventies was this. Was really sort of a strong cases ugly stuff yeah like the interview. I think it was an ebony that he did talking about his wife where he thought about those as you mentioned is that I need a woman that can step out had to do all these things and I was like well you know she can read his right her friends. You know her. Mom's GonNa see this right. Everybody got Ebony Bro. You know you're going to go down to the barber. SHABAS STILL GONNA be there probably and the thing that was so startling about that too is I'm looking. I had to go back flip through the pages and look again at the date. I was like Y'all they were still married. Yes like how are you putting this out in public and how you sort of feeling entitled to be able to say these things which was interesting because it was all about entitlement one night even entitlement domination like he he got what he could you know take by force and as his career progressed and he was just giving more ground more of a platform He just seemed to be able to decide that. Hey I'm going to talk about women. I'm going to talk about Hollywood. I'm going to you you these extension of my dominance in sports and it didn't work as well nearly as well as when he was talking about sports and civil rights lights and and those kinds of things. I thought that you just there's something I thought that was strange in the way he handled it. which was you want a woman to have all these ambitions while also? WanNa honey her tonight do anything which I don't know how it works like. I don't know what room where room was there for your woman to grow when he was gone all the time right she's here with these kids right exactly and and and especially since she had to at least subconsciously know that while you're saying you want her to grow you really only want that so much right because then that would take go away her ability to be there twenty four seven with you on command on demand and engines be they are raising your kids while you're off doing whatever you want with whomever you want 'em public with no discretion it was it was just a lot. I also found sounded kind of strange though that I didn't get any sense of his wife until really the this little middle third of the book right. It was well past page one fifty that I even read her name and I thought that was that was strange. There was there were allusions earlier that he was married. you know he'd be in the car with his wife but I was like Oh yeah who. Who is this woman. You know who's so one dimensional you know that she barely merits a mentioned in the first half of the book. It seems like he must not have gun but so much access to the family because you don't really hear that much from the kids kids by the way that you know look at Jim Jim and say yeah. We didn't know our dad either right right right right as this woman was supposed to be out here. JV divvied hug. It's just that idiot. This stuff again gets us to this. This weird notion of like being a man right and it also seemed gems. It'd be doing a lot of figuring out how to be a man by guessing right because all the mid in his life where people who are facilitating because athlete dreams it seems at least he was trying on these different close these different shoes this these different man suits and a lot of them just didn't fits or they fit for being a star football player and the kind of leadership and and determination that's required there but they didn't fit in terms of having functional relationships with the people who are supposed to be the closest to you in in your life. There's a there's a non just a fear of intimacy almost contempt for it and so right there the how am I going to do this. Presumably he would wanna be different from his own absent father but he ended up replicating very thing that he grew up with in in that absence and that trickles down through the kids. you know later on in the book. I know Oh the author talks more extensively about his his second family. and apparently you know that goes a little bit differently. He's he's a little bit more available but man when I was reading this part. I was just like Oh. This is rough. These are just flat characters who don't even seemed to share in in that celebration in that glory and all his achievements and you mentioned the second family. I saw him two or three years ago in and Miami. I think it was two years ago. I saw him and he was with his wife and you know he's older now. He's I think he thinks he did hit. Eighty eighty as walking with McCain now and when you mentioned intimacy it hit me is that that's kind of what's left at this point for men in that position in life and I wonder how that goes for him as he because this this book was published about ten twelve years ago how it goes for him after that fact now because all of us left in life for him intimate moments in all the for someone to care here for an eighty three year old man who can't quite get around and requires as much as Jim probably requires. That's all you to have right right. I think you bring up something really important. She's generation X. So she's essentially his wife is essentially caring for an elderly spouse and you know I guess he would have had to learn to be intimate because in so many ways he's got to be dependent on her now in ways that he was wholly unaccustomed them to being when he was younger it's good that you you know he hit eighty and he's still getting around and you know we've written about him. He has still his Amer. I can program and out there trying to make a difference but yeah wow what you have. Is Your Wife. What you have are are your children. You're not on this heavy duty speaking circuit traveling the country getting all these accolades so you have these intimate moments and the end. You better have gotten better at them. Otherwise was the choice to die along right and this portion of the book also gets into well this baby. Maybe the if you ask people one thing they know about Jim Brown specifically. I think they'd have a hard time. Pointing at one particular football moment would immediately get to the woman. He threw off a balcony which I did. Is We talked about this coming game where you said that for a lot of people the belief was that it was rocky a Welsh. He had thrown off the balcony. I don't know if that was just me I don't know if that was just the rumor in Chicago. If I heard it wrong but somehow in my young mind conflated football Rocco Welt am balcony but all of it just added up to a picture of an incredibly singular figure in the popular popular culture that the folks were wrestling with right he was past his playing days and prime when I was young and it was hearing about him as this actor as this friend of Richard Pryor as this man who through women off Belkin and so it was just an incredibly complex and conflicted and you made a point earlier about what what are they going to say say about him. Those things were difficult to to deconstruct to unpack even then right like even and when you knew less and there was you know there were fewer words about him and no social media and in any of that he was still people didn't know how to process those things going together and I think again folks want simplicity so he's a star who just yes you know had to knock around his woman a little bit but the balcony thing with an extremity is interesting this just a sentence like say to someone who who was received. Jim It had you know it's a process and figuring out what I think about all of this. You know what I thought. In two thousand six for example is not necessarily the same as what I think now but that really was just the sentence there. was there one time that he threw a woman off a balcony because we have to keep going to get to the other stuff and I think it speaks a lot to to how we talk about. Women how we feel about women as a society because even white people are just going pass this. It's like okay. It's just another is in league with this revolutionary type figure who was trying to dominate like calm economically right who was going for. I guess a self sufficiency argument they can be easy for a lot of white people to support because it takes responsibility away from them but it also seizing power back from people and he threw this woman off about now granted was black woman so maybe that affects the way that it was received but he throws his woman off the balcony and it's just a sentence sentence right and and and I wanna go back to something you just said even white people I would say especially white people because the things that he was bringing to the popular culture to people's bottom lines right the value add of Jim Brown on your football team and then in your movies to add this exoticism or whatever and then the fact that it's politically palatable for for him to say you know up by your bootstraps. We need all this economic self-determination without languaging. I'm sure he recognized it and he he did say it in various parts but the the structural inequalities that are just baked in the system but that uplift message was something they could get behind so so especially white eight people who have you know the mainstream culture has its its its own long and intimate relationship with violence against women so so yeah that got completely glossed over in some ways as you said just as a sentence just as a as an aside as a calm of opposition. Are you know Jim Brown great football player. Hollywood star civil rights activists. He threw that woman off the balcony that time and then him in Richard Pryor real good friends why you know yeah and it even as in the last you know two or three years or so we have reckoned with some of these matters a bit differently and Rin. Jim Did did something that was wildly unpopular among black people which is his support for trump. You're Nixon to even after that. It's still remain the Senate like I'm not even save. People necessarily care that much about violence against women but we will throw this stuff out as an excuse against people. We don't like all the time. It didn't like it didn't come in and also in reading this book. something that comes up kind of settlers the right way to put it but relationships with underage women are pretty mentioned like more than once getting one pregnant. I know comes up in the course of the book and even this. They're still sentences in the larger. Jim Grau Jim Brown narrative in it is fascinating fascinating that existed such it is isn't it and and stuff that again would be disqualifying for others as we're having these reconsideration and these reckonings with people's past with you know Al Franken who kids too many people or something like like that you have this this whole ass celebrity with this enormously troublesome back story and complicated history as you said that includes food underage women which the woman he's alleged to have gotten pregnant and completely denied went to court about Brenda is in the book and then committed later that yeah he did in fact father a child with this woman. woman is a stretch because I think she was fifteen. I think well so when she went to court. She was eight. There was no mention of her prior to eighteen so who knows when when you know all the Freaky apps are alleged is to have happened but it's part of what's is problematic about a reconsideration end Indus moment in that it is so unevenly applied right and so we don't have a template for judging someone like Jim Brown because we can say all these these other things about him that are not exclusively athletic but about what he meant to the culture and that subset we were talking about earlier manhood manhood and black power so that perhaps renders him more tough line right that that's an untouchable thing white commentators maybe maybe even in this reconsideration don't want to leave themselves open to charges of racism or just not getting it right and you know black folks in in some ways and in some quarters haven't reached a place where we feel healed enough and secure enough in our person and secure enough in the street as in our citizenship to go after someone who so clearly stood up for us those contradictions those tough to resume. I just I wish I think about is very often does in this business. That would not be so such a requirement that we can put together a one sheet on somebody right like we can try to sum up in one sentence because I think I long long ago may terms with the fact that good things happen to bad people all the time and I also came to terms with the fact that like Jim is so so wildly impressive right like even if you wanted to make it sound like I'm saying separate beds stuff but I just walked Jim. Brown were to walk into to a room and you talked to Jim Brandon. You look at the football clips or just look at the clips of him talking or just look at him standing or just look at him in a suit like all of these things you not do you know the second that he was in room doesn't have to talk loud and when he has things to say there are things that are worth hearing like he is unquestionably an impressive figure and you can also so being oppressive figure who has done awful things and I think that people find guys like him to be the where we like to use. His compelling is yeah. It's really compelling that this this guy can be so impressive but also do awful things except these two things aren't they're not it was kind of like they're not related with also not separate like you know. It's just if we need to to make him simple. This is going to be hard if we can take these things beating women as an individual thing and his fight for civil rights as its own individual thing is actually it's pretty simple right right well in in separating them. I think you're right. Is the wrong thing to do. They're all blended up together. They all make the person in the same way that you know George Washington and the Apocryphal story of his cherry tree or his heroics on the battlefield he also oh had a mouthful of false teeth that he got from one of his enslaved people right right that is not an exaggeration for the people who are like you must be crazy. We know they would take the teeth out. The slaves miles put them into masses presumably still using dated. Give you yeah no permission or are you know they didn't say you know. I got lunch coming up with something like that. That wasn't a power that they had sprite and the answer is I don't care you know so bars bill that hey whatever but point being something we went back to earlier these kinds of reconsideration there uneven they get applied to some people and not to others for some things and not to other things for some things for some people not for other things to other people and so blending this stuff together is the only way moving forward that we're going to be able to make sense out of all of this and it won't be a one she gene right. It'll they'll be volumes and that's that's all of us. If we took on a microscope to our lives and you know his was an outsized life is was is a hyperbolic life and so you're going to have to make peace with the fact that you can't make in easy peace with some of these things to Fox News Obituary. Jim Brown does boy it is common. It's gotta come now is is on the way it is all the way. The tweet has already been drafted. Everything is ready that is Lonzo. O.`Neil check her out at the UNDEFEATED DOT com. I thank you so much for joining us here in studio for this those very kind of you thank you so much. Money is great. Uh All right. It is the finale for us here on the right time book club. Thank you so much for everybody who's read. Everybody was sitting questions. Since everybody who has contributed you can check us out again at the Hashtag the right time book club in case you want to catch up and our book. This summer was Jim Brown the fears life life of an American hero by Mike Freeman and with that in mind joining us today on the show is the author of the book Mike Freeman Mike Man Man. I I wanNA tell you I why chose this book. I read the book when it came out and I used when I taught a class at Duke a few years ago on the Black Athlete in America and I found wanted to be very interesting and very even-handed but part of why I wanted to revisit this book was with our changing attitudes in public about matters particularly about like violence violence against women and domestic domestic violence that Jim Brown is we've owned Isabel Jim Brown for a long time it just taking it as part of the Jim Brown story but it was kind of interesting trying to read back now as our sensibilities of kind of change but the storm proud story stays the same you know well. I I WANNA. Thank you for doing a lot of us. Appreciate it as really really just terrific that you do this so thank you first of all and a hundred percent correct. It's it's changed. Our sensibility exchanged dramatically and you know the one thing looking back on it. You know the book is hasn't Word Hero in it. I don't know if I will use that word now. In in fact I probably wouldn't in fact I'm sure wouldn't that's how much I think things have changed and you bring up a good point that we always knew this about Brown. and this goes to I think the fault of men and how my op- if we can be an even men who I think they have a some sort of understanding of domestic violence who think of themselves as good men who think of themselves as men that sympathized size and empathizing would protect the woman in those circumstances but even men like us to think of ourselves that way have huge holes because we're men men because we're taught by society of certain way and even if you are open minded and certainly in our in our progressive yours you still have the huge hole so in the book. I talk about why coma hero but it. It's looking back on it. It's just there's no way I should have done that and and and everything that's happened since I wrote that book has dramatically altered our society also how we think of things and ultimate how I think of how whoa written this book it's I I love revisiting because it makes it look back on it and you rarely get times on life to just sort of look back on something and say I'm correct this. I'm GONNA think of it this way. I think if the differently and that's what I've done with his book so appreciative of you for that but it's it's there are parts of it that look at go. I would have done that very differently. There's very few books. I've written where I've done that or columns or there's parts of my life. I like to revisit but there's very few books books and things written that I revisit because I'm like this is how I feel and it's sincere heart but this is one of our huge one of those times. I wish I did not use that at work. I don't think he deserves it. and I think there are there are aspects of that are absolutely great but I mean and just real quick like if you look Jim Brown's life you know we're talking about the ones domestic violence point and then there's another part of it that is just to me just looking back as a staggering. I mean Jim Brown goes to Syracuse and is a very openly proud. African American man who was when he goes searchers told that he couldn't date white women while he was is there he played lacrosse he was he was he talked about racism openly people on campus to other people. He was not shy in any way about being a proud African American man. He goes to the BROWNS and late fifties early sixties. NFL still has quotas unspoken of but they were locked in place that you can only have three to five like players on your team's round railed against that publicly and privately not he did it publicly and it helped helped helped change that policy very slowly. He goes to Hollywood. He's the first black action hero he fights for the rights and talks again openly about about black people not having the opportunities in the movies he goes to. La Brokers peace between gangs he probably saved not not in underestimating in any way he probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives gang members of this gym Brown. We're GONNA listen to him. He brokered peace at his house. You'd you'd have met his house. I can't even look at the Jim Brown now and I can't even recognize him. He doesn't look anything like the guy that's spent years of my life studying and writing about and think of him a certain way. It's I think what what years do they fade. Sometimes it changes for the better or sometimes. It seems for the worst brown all over. I mean he's heart really just put into any kind of categories always been that way but especially now I mean there's the picture of him with Kanye. West in the White House is just staggering. I mean I can't people listening. I can't emphasize enough how dramatically mattingly different that is from thirty forty years ago with Jim Brown so this book sort of to me just sort of It's one of the things that sort of a an example of how we all change and how times change and how some things sort of stay the same same something sort of we just don't recognize him anymore. and this is this is what I was examples. I mean it's just crazy so stuff. That's happened so I wrote that book. It's this is one of those examples you know the term hero and you did explain in the book like because it was a very provocative thing to do in the title but also thought it was very intellectually compelling at the time that he came out because I got sick for a while. Now we got. I don't know what we're going to do is median. Jim Brown dies because there's no simple encapsulation like there's no paragraph that you can write that that spells this out and so at the time of the writing and also thought it was interesting to me in reading the book. I read it in about ten years the tone that you took when talking about the things they the violence against women and those things you didn't really you didn't pull any punches like you didn't spare him. It wasn't as though you wrote it and we're just like we did this one thing but yeah whatever like I thought you were very direct correct about it but we did treat that as just kind of part of the narrative because that's what we've always done when it came to Jim Brown and I don't know like Jim Brown came around now I don't I think we would be it would be possible to do that in that way. which would then be interesting? Because what would we then say about. The unquestionably great works that he did. That's a really really smart. Point and Jim Brown came around now. I don't know what it when he when he arrived on the scene especially when he got to the browns obviously dramatically different America and and he was one of those guys that's all the racism and was like screw this fighting it. He thought it very publicly not just with words but with deeds he started he he was later called the Black Economic Union picture that connick picture with him and then who else cinder all a bunch of the Black Star Orleans at the time they were defending Muhammad Ali's decision not to go into the draft that picture people should go google if they're no no I'm talking about. It's it's it's a beautiful picture but it's all because of Jim Brown Jim Brown. We're GonNa have the whole thing you got older. Black Athletes there to defend Mohammed Ali. That is a very powerful thing all the things he did like that. Were very very powerful but I don't know it's different times. It's hard to just go to draw all straight line but it he now. I don't think the Jim Brown with domestic violence history would would be able to exist. You wouldn't have the power to do it which is ironic because we didn't give domestic violence and of weight and in some ways we still don't but especially when he was was coming of age and and not giving the domestic violence that weight allowed him to be power allowed him to be a very powerful strong black man and now we you do give domestic violence that weight as we should we condemn people who committed as we should but that also would weaken the Jim Brown today and it has so when you bring up it really excellent point about how we describe him and how we write about him and with that what the core graph couple of graphs would look like it would be all over the place because there were parts of him that were absolutely great and there were parts of him that were absolutely dreadful and and then between most of us are like that not to those extremes but most human beings do some things that they're not proud of and things that they're proud of and things do really well and things they don't do well but he was he was those were those those extremes on. Both I mean he was polar opposite and he would do some remarkably brilliant. Ryan smart aggressive things to help people of color and then he would do things that undermine that but I don't think the Jim Brown today would have the standing do that with his domestic violence history so it'd be a completely different Jim Brown today but he came along at the perfect time for him. He came onto the perfect time for sports awards professional sports for the Civil Rights Movement. He was a he was an athlete who understood how to use his power of an athlete to to you better to positions or tried to the positions of people of color he understood that embraced it so it was a different time for him no questions and it's all wrapped up in in his refusal his uncompromising nations refusal to apologize all of that which leases the positive things but of course then compounded negative like. I was thinking about this. Don Newcombe for Pitcher of the dodgers died not too long ago and I read some about him that I did not realize is that he had savagely beaten his wife while he was a player he was also a raging alcoholic and but you could find the quotes of him saying I was a drunk in an awful man then and I did awful things like and that's it's not the deepest sentence in the world but that's kind of the sense that people need to hear and that's something that Jim Brown could various busy at eighty years old at this point could very easily say I did. Some awful will things but he is denied. All of them and I don't think there's a and I I read probably ninety nine percent some of the stories ever written on them. I spent years that was so much of the research is reading stuff about him and about some of these really horrific incidents and and I don't if I remember correctly. I don't think I ever saw him apologize. Once on about any of that going back two decades ago when he was he had these issues he was on trial in in. Cleveland wants for for domestic violence for assault he going back all the way back then and I don't think I ever saw him say you know. I'm sorry I shouldn't have done that. I don't it's not it's it's all the strengths he has that's his one of his greatest weaknesses and I think it's a weakness of of your person who can't don't doesn't have introspection. Look back at your life and if you're a public figure publicly say that what I did was wrong and when asked about it. That's a that's a you know an inherent weakness to me. You need to have introspection when you're not going to be perfect and you look back at your life. You try to get better and make things better. He just doesn't he didn't do that. He's unapologetic in every way. Some of that is beneficial. Some of that is really bad. I mean you know you do some things he did. You just say I shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry but he will not not that. I don't think he's ever done that. I may be missing something but I don't think he's ever done that and he never will. I don't think till till his dying day. Well he ever ever do that. It's just not his nature sees weakness and more than anything what he wanted to be about was dominating dominating culture dominating the era dominating the football field dominating the locker room dominating women that was who he was he he is. He's unapologetic for it. It's one of his great weaknesses but that's who he has been his entirely one consistent part of him. We talk of all these different ups and downs different. Polar opposites to one consistent part of him is just not apologizing and just moving forward and just just bowling people over so that's who he's always been. I think that's who will always be juxtaposed against his belief in his own honesty right because that's what he's one of those guys that brags you know who's honesty's big thing but the thing he seems not to be able to be honest about as himself and one of the things about him that I I always found really interesting was just the how he took what he did on the field and just took it off the field in every aspect of his life on the field he really enjoyed just beating the crap out of people and people have taken their best shots at him in him keep going and he took just vicious shots. If you look at some of the tapes he would just say I mean there's just so much smaller than him but it'll be like four or five guys picking the best shots play after play for play sometimes five or six seven eight shots in one run. It was crazy so his thought was. That's how I'm going to be off the field off the field always shot you wanted me. He could be a little thin skinned sometimes but mostly he was tough and he he decided I'm GonNa be tough and no one's GonNa get to me. Knocking Apologize Not GonNa do anything but be tough. That's who I am and and and on the field at officer work really well working certain aspects and off feel. It didn't work in certain aspects so some of it was very troubling few now. I think I was always curious about when you were in writing the book. What did you come across in the process they really had you like wow. I had no idea this until I started doing the research. It was a Hollywood stuff have you know we look at we. When you look at movies now there's like people of Color Stars all over the place I mean people inherently know this but it was just when he came about it was just stark the lack of people of Color in Hollywood. We're not just sunscreen. Obviously they're all screen. How Racist Hollywood still was when he got to the the original Kissy had with record Welsh. I'm one of the first it was a huge deal but it was what was what made it really significant. What made Jim Brown in Hollywood. Really significant was just how how he was the first black action hero but he was just the first guy that would openly and constantly talk about race and you know like talk about race. Now people talk about race shut up about race and you're sort of people try to back you down and and keep you from talking about and and and then the more much much more hostile a he didn't care and he would he would do interviews with with Hollywood media and talk about the inequities equities in Hollywood and and the other thing is he made a lot of movies he made a good dozen movies and and one of the things that really surprised me the most that they were all big time profitable he made movies and people went to see them and and people went to watch them and a lot of people did and they were profits while he's able to keep making them he was able to just you would people really liked him. They liked what he was. Sunscreen like just personality like they use a tough guy so that the Hollywood part of it really really surprised me more than anything because I knew he was in holly. I didn't know this is that extent. I didn't know he was he was well liked by particularly African American movie goers. I didn't know any of that and that really really stunned on me because there was very extensive so I didn't I didn't I didn't know about any of that. I mean some of about a lot of it and he was he was a very very are wearing Hollywood. It's done you know the Hollywood stuff is tied to NFL store. That's your out now with Andrew. Luck retiring suddenly as he did which was shocking but can you you give people perspective that you got into in the book of just how shocking audacious it was to be like hey man. I'm over making the dirty dozen. I'm going to stay if you if you take Andrew Luck and multiply by like a thousand that's what it was in the NFL itself in the League itself off. People were just absolutely stunned. He was dominating the League. He was young he had at least another five years. There's no one saw coming didn't really tell anyone about it really didn't tell the browns about until very late and he was he was as has dominant force and the history of the League as you'll ever see and he left at the at the very height of it and he went and when he retired hardy shooting the dirty dozen the movie and he's standing in. There's a scene of him. We talking about retiring and he's standing from this prop tank and and he's talking about. I don't need I don't football. I got the M- I save up my money. This is bigger. I can have more influence doing this and at the time that wasn't really people thought that was just dumb. Why are you leaving. The sport. It wasn't football wasn't obviously what it is now but it was still very very influential and the way he was dominating it. So much people thought going to the movies like that was stupid and of course he was because he's a very smart guy. He was two steps ahead of people he saw how he used his influence in football to change things and to draw attention to race relations he. I thought he could do the same in Hollywood. There's something bigger scale and he was also ahead of his time. In terms of the physicality the toll it took on his body he he was before people were even talking about the south talking about concussions head injuries the long term effects of football and he was just didn't WanNa do it anymore and that way it was a Lotta as ahead of time but that way also time he understood and studied what it did to the body he he just really took it to heart and just said I'm GonNa make movies at the time it was just I mean what happened. When Andrew Luck now is nothing compared to then it was a huge national story than all across every aspect of the culture from news news sports to Hollywood to everything there was a monumental thing but he did and if people thought that Andrew Luck they were entitled to Andrew Luck Entertaining Them. God knows that they thought thought they were entitled to from Jim Brown. I gotta say I I mean I. I'm really shocked anymore. I'm sure you're not either like we've seen a lot of stuff. The entitlement people have towards luck is just like that. He just done me. I know I shouldn't be you know. I and I know I shouldn't be stunned. I I was still like people blowing him. People saying you and I'll just be blunt. Usually I see that with african-american athletes how people think they own them right this is this is one of the first time I saw with a white F. and and it was still I've seen before the title spill stunning to watch people think they have some sort of control or should have some sort of control control over the life of an athlete like you watch them and you see them on Sunday and you you have you control them and they don't do what you want then. They're mad at you that I mean if you really just think about that in a vacuum it's really unbelievable arrogant stupid but that's how a lot of people think and Brown again when he when he did it they were there. Were a lot of really angry fans you can imagine some of the things they were saying about. Brown and and and he didn't care and he just walked away he didn't care and he you know in retrospect he still considered by a lot of people the best player of all time. I'm and he's still has these other marks in the culture and society and history so you obviously made the right decision because that's what he wanted to do his body but you also made a really smart decision because he had an impact on multiple fronts wasn't he never saw himself as just as the football player saw him stuff with someone that can change or talk about changing things and he's able they do that in Hollywood too so in the end it was a smart decision eight. Oh to kind of wrap this up I wanted at first. My thought was asked. What do we say about Jim. Brown now now but I wonder if the ultimate lesson is we gotta learn to say more things about people because we just were therefore we're not going to core paragraph that explains what he is this. This is a guy who in retrospect when it comes time to sum this all up. Is this going to be like a go ahead and have a seat. Take Awhile really really good point and I think the way to answer that is in our profession sometimes nuances missing sometimes times we deftest missing with Brown. You're going to have to sort of say some really uncomfortable things while pointing out all the great things they were going to be multiple fronts for to write about with him and have been for decades and they will continue to be that way he will he he hoped defined national football league. He helped define what it meant to be a black actor. Yup define those things he also helped defined in a lot of ways or point out our weakness when it comes to addressing domestic violence. I think that's changed a lot so now we're armed especially men with these sensibilities so when you look at his legacy the sensibilities sensibilities that we didn't have twenty years ago we have now it will catch his legacy in a completely different light and they won't be very very good things and very very bad things and your point is really well taken because that that's okay. I mean not domestic violence for obviously isn't okay but are addressing the weaknesses. This is of human beings is what kind of what you should do when you're doing these type of evaluations of a guy. I mean this is. This is how you address a multidimensional. You mentioned person because most people are that way multidimensional. He's very much that way so it's okay to talk about encouraging to talk about his weaknesses because humanizes humanizes us but it it that's GonNa be his legacy is likely going to be very very complicated and and someone's going to be very ugly ugliest. Somebody's GONNA be really remarkable but this is who he is. He's always been this. Is Jim Brown this is this is the guy who helped define a league league of define the sixties and seventies of Hollywood help broker peace between gangs help do all these different things and and also had this really ugly side so all of that's going to be accounted for all be talking about that forever. All of it comes into play and that's where it should be that is Mike Freeman. Check them out at bleacher report. He's also the author of Jim Brown fierce life of an American hero as the book. We did this summer and I think we all had a great time. Tom Going through it. I mean like we did book club last summer and it was good but I think this led to a depth discussion with all the people that we had also. I thank you for contributing that piece of work. Sir Thank you you really appreciate what you're doing and and you just WanNa Motel to Gaza business. 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Ladies Gentlemen Welcome to the right job my name is Johnny Jones. Says Wherever you get your podcast Rita's reviewers gives popstars. He only goes for stars. I'm inclined to believe you are Hater. Coming up on this episode of the. Right time. We're GonNa Talk Brian Compliment. Co-creator BILLION SEASON FIVE STARTS ON. May the third at nine eastern. We're going to talk to him about that and a little bit about well. We're GONNA talk about I. All right got episodes three and four of the last dance now. Gabe you are too young to really have like opinions when it comes to like the Pistons and the bad boys and all of that stuff right nausea too young to have credible opinions less about opinions. I'm curious about this part when you think of Isaiah Thomas. I'm guessing you primarily. Think of him as someone who works in front office. It isn't that good at it. Yeah I mean but you certainly like you can attach people to an image rumour two story or to a feeling in with Isaiah. I've always just attached him to that bad boys team and there's a coolness that comes with that got it. I feel like there's certain. Nba players that have had to be there component to him. Right like you put it up there stats is not going to explain to you what this was right like you. Kinda had to be there. Some people avoid the had to there part because the mythology wraps them up in such a way that you know it without actually knowing it right. But I'll give you an example of this if you go pull up the for West unsealed. You're going to have all kinds of questions too wide world. Anybody is even heard wes. Unseld you go talk to your granddaddy about West on sale and look what happens to his face. I'd also like to know what are the best stories in history of the Joneses is my daddy saying you know your Momma. She was into be maybe feel pretty good about myself. Thought I must be some kind of good looking fellow than I realized. He felt the same way about whereas unsealed. Yeah Yeah Yeah he just took it all the way out the window that unfortunately. That's what I think by daddy just hating all weather sale rack. Daddy's getting beat here was big deal about most right. I imagined that that had to be what the case was out here to help us out but if you did not watch wes unseld. I don't feel like there's any way for you to really get an appreciation Bill Russell to be honest. It's kind of like that where you know the like you hear about Bill Russell. But it's hard for people to imagine a bill. Russell was like jumping out the gym. You kind of need it to be there to capture it and I think as Zia has become one of those people in Parkas as just six feet tall right you ignore the fact that Isaiah did not have a true superstar ride along with him in the ways that magic and bird did right like Kevin McHale. I guess maybe another head to be there. Kinda case he legitimately that do as as a great great great. All Time player is documentary. I also felt like does not give you a good enough understanding of how great a player. Isaiah Thomas was right. They went to back to back championships with the two best players on the team at Tom. Joe dumars Right Isaiah is that guy. Isaiah matters in a very particular way and nobody will ride for is a in public. Nobody does like I find. I'm not even I wouldn't even call myself a bit of an is Asia policies like I didn't grow up as the big as Thomas Fans basketball player. I know him a little bit through work. Like you know talked to him a few times put like I'm not like video here. Video of any situation beating for Detroit. Anybody Raff Isaiah updated this. One time I went out with my Buddy Lester Spence I think Lester works at Johns Hopkins. Down his beloved side Detroit okay so again. This is a political scientist for University of Michigan. Works at Johns Hopkins. All right so riley and I go with less. Do we go get something to eat? And I forget what I was talking about. I was talking about great players of some time. I can't remember exactly what it was and we're walking and I remember he had his back was can go onto these shays strolling talking and I said whatever said about basketball players. He looks at me and goes. What about is area right? I say you will be involved in this discussion. Whatever your discussion of greatness is Detroit is here to make sure. Isaiah will be involved in this discussion. And what's interesting? Is that if Michael Jordan played for any other team in the League Chicago would be talking about. Isaiah the exact same way because he mad as Chicago in a very very particular way right like Derrick rose if you know the way to people from Chicago of this younger age feel about Derrick Rose Isaiah Thomas was derrick rose of this time for what he represented as a dude. Getting out of this right going through what you gotta go through growing up in Chicago. Isaiah was that guy for that generation in the way the Derrick Rose. Is this guy now. I don't know if I was ever as big a star is derrick. Rose was like twenty eleven or in twenty twelve but I see the things that people say tweets about where they had to say about his last episode. I'm like Damn Isaiah. Don't get no respect from y'all because remember we were talking about Kobe. One of the things about Kobe was that Kobe was on the wrong side. Of everybody's favorite player but at least Kobe was people's favourite player right so at least had his crew. Isaiah's older wrong side of bird the wrong side of magic roadside of Mike and also to one thing. That's interesting as we were talking about before. About how before the Bulls won that championship in the ninety one season? How like oh. A scoring guard could never lead their team to a championship. I was just thinking back. When you're like laying it all out on Isaiah. They won two titles in Isaiah was their best player and used only six foot and the thing was about Isiah. If you're needed theft five Isaiah could get you theta five. Have you ever looked at what Isaiah did in the nineteen eighty-eight finals against the Lakers? As Airtime Thomas in those games he was a one man. Twenty points on that bus that ankle in the third quarter against the Lakers in game. Six if he's anybody else we treat this in a completely different way but in the bull story he's absolutely a villain. That team is absolutely VILNIS. They are the team that the Bulls ultimately head to overcome. But I need people to be US right. Y'All don't give a damn that the Pistons it shake their hands like that might have been a little whack in the time and I understand the argument for saying that. It was like if you care about that. Thirty years. Later what is Yo- PROB right? Like Mike might have some problem with it. Okay cool as as absolutely right. Celtics walled off the floor on them in the middle of the game. Nobody cared nobody gave a day of about it where the Pistons being sore losers absolutely. They were admitting that they would be saw lose. They got blown out by a team. A budget dues if they did not like and they did not want to dignify them with a handshake or anything else. That seems pretty consistent with what they've said the whole time this. I just want to know who actually cares that much about it right. I remember when the Magic beat the cavs in. Oh nine in the Eastern Conference finals. Lebron walked off. The court. Didn't shake anybody's hand. After it was over it was seen as the Bush League move. We talked about it. But that ain't like a defining thing that happened in the career of Lebron James the two things I think for most people who follow the NBA. They are defined. It is eight times to walk it off all Michael Jordan and the reason why I say is defined by everything bad. The Larry Bird quote in eighty seven. Robbins said Larry. Bird was black. He just be another good player in the NBA which everybody acknowledges is one of the dumbest things anybody could ever say right. They've they're bringing as Ahah last what he hears. It says. Yeah but I'm GONNA just say I agree with Rodman is totally wrong. Like there's one hundred percent incorrect. Whoa white people took that so personally. How dare anybody in? This world ever formed their lips to say that maybe just maybe a white person has been overrated of the basis of being white. It happens in this case that these guys went too far with but people act is though he said something that is actually not in line with historical precedent right. But that's the thing that is defined as they in at every turn he never made all league again you never met all NBA again after nineteen eighty seven We'll talk about this for next week to catch them off the Dream Team. That eight had an adult that had nearly as much to do with Michael Jordan as it had to do with Isaiah. Sit that people can. I don't know if you realize this game after. Isaiah sit that. They flew him in to do the pre show of the nineteen eighty-seven finals like days. After the fact that it happened he had to do a press conference and Larry Bird by the way for doing this. He did a press conference with Larry. Bird where they said that everything was okay. Like that's how big a deal that statement was and I firmly believe how big a deal that statement continues to be all the way down the line and this is what he has to answer for right so when this stuff comes up with the Pistons and the Bulls that of course. The Jordan documentary joined produces is not going to give you like a balanced portrayal of what the rivalry was. It is positioned as pisses with beaten up on them and Bulls. But we stood up to them right now on a everybody's got some roles in a lot of the things that happened in that series but the Pistons as villains you cannot evaluated outside of the context of what Isaiah Thomas it after game seven of the one thousand nine hundred seven finals. That let me take this another step further. This is a great way for basketball fans so Gabe you're familiar with. The birds seals. The ball play right refresh. My memory is the game six or seven of the eighty seven East Finals Pistons Celtics as as inbounded the ball. It's right at the end of the game. All the gotTa do is get the ball in and it's under the baseline. Bright birds stole it. Got His Johnson made shot if Zia just gets the ball inbounds at that moment. How much changes? In fact I think it was game five but if he gets the ball in their series and six there is no Dennis Rodman quote. That doesn't happen right. That moment doesn't come up. If is ages get the ball. That's out there in the margins are just gets the ball it now. How much of that reflected on Rodman because you talk about? How much of it reflected on Isaiah? Some of that is conscious. A lot of that is subconscious. Right Robin is never taken a single bit of it but Robbins always had his backstory also. Robin Wendy's guys. That think to white man's ice cold right like if you go back and watch that a documentary. The Dennis Rodman thirty for thirty. That came out. Go find the black people that he feels have positively contributed to his life in that documentary after the bad boy. Pistons right or anybody outside of the NBA roster the did is Robin holds. Who was black in some regard? They're not you won't find that right. Do not dare is Ao on. The other hand is a little bit of a different situation like. Isaiah was always a strong labor guy for the NBA for the players. Right by Isaiah Isaiah. Is You know these in terms that people understand. Describe what I'm talking about here and yes I'm aware of how this quote unquote sounds as part of what. I'm saying very articulate man. You know what I mean like Isaiah put that pseudo go handle that business all of those things but what side is a is. All on. A lot of things has always been very very clear. And that's something that people don't like also right but you just have everybody say that is just as detestable sort of figure and he got some things to answer for right. Everybody's got some things that ultimately they have to answer for so I'm not even gonNA pretend like he's just some dude that everything about this is right. Isaiah's right now but as as wrong about everything as has been done wrong by some people but I really think if he doesn't stay at about Larry. Bird everything else goes away. Everything else is fine if he just doesn't do that. Do you have any thoughts that you'd like to share on Dennis Rodman in the way that he was portrayed and kind of the way that the Vegas forty-eight hours in Vegas vacation thing was portrayed and his battles with mental health and how that was portrayed? I think that's a little tricky for the film because we had just gotten two hours on Dennis Rodman not that long ago right and so we just kinda drop in to give you this introduction into who Dennis Rodman was and that's hard to do like very quickly like that stuff but it also becomes interesting because Dennis Rodman becomes the lens through which you view the Pistons because he's the connective tissue between the two teams and that's a strange. Lynn's to view that teen through like he's not the guy his story is not the one to tell the story Could I did see though? We're Jason Hare. The director corrected the record. All this because it was misunderstood. It sounded like he took before eight hours in Vegas and the Jordan had to go to Vegas and get them and no. He did his forty eight hours in Vegas. He came back and then he was just posted up at his crib across the street from the United Center. And that's where he wouldn't come into work and that's where might wit. It dragged out of the apartment director says that Jordan said that he dragged about a those rate. That's where bike it had enough. You know his across St doubt. We've got business to handle here. But I thought they did all right by dentist. I don't think that I think I felt their portrayal of Dennis was fair. I think that would probably be the best way to put your telling people on Twitter. About how our test as for a similar vacation yeah dancers? This is the year of the brawl. This really happened. Rod Tests wants as time off so he could promote his album. Yes his album like somebody else. You remember after the brawl. He was promoting in allure album as people try to have him on like the Today. Show to talk about the broader. He's trying to sell the album but all right as was the time off so he could go promote his album and I did not realize that there was a precedent for going to an NBA team. It is being like Yo. Can I get a couple of days off? That was possible because the equivalent of that nowadays is load management right. Yeah they still make you sit on the bench right. They still company the game. This was like Yo I need to blow this pop state because when you think about it I guess the argument is that you get like all those months off at the end is no big deal right but like even teachers take a day off every day to day. GotTa work all suburb. There's a difference between load management and taking what some people describe as like a mental health day just for myself that can elect clear my head space yes. You don't see that really happen that often. It's interesting now like with mental health. Being such a bigger part of the conversation with players. Like Marta Rosen and Kevin Love. You wonder when that's GonNa stop being a thing. But the thing is they can get them right like if it comes down to it now. In this day and age you can't ricotta. Take a day off after Kobe. Dot something like that like you could pull that off now but back then coach. I need a break what I need a vacation to Vegas. Yes BOB IT. I just need to go. Blow this but an advocate who I saw mentioned it and I worry about. Like being flippant about it. But there's something about these stories about adding in this inexhaustible reservoir of energy that they have every now and then like is appropriate to laugh did is rob is seems to be that guy. All y'all laid out of the ground Dennis Rodman at work at eight o'clock at aboard running like a Damn Gazelle out there. The hangover does not exist for Rudman. How is this possible? Like he's the guy the young man I don't need a young hanging out with robin except I feel like you should have A. Hey guys did us rob because not even the youngster would be able to hang like youngster would try to learn like Nah. Brian need to. I need to focus on my craft. We'll be back in a minute with Brian Koppelman but I you've heard US talk about him and how they're helping guys look their best if you haven't yet time to see what they're all about sixty percent of men lose their hair by age thirty five and that is a big problem why guys sit there and do nothing about it when they can turn the medicine science. Once you've noticed here it can be too late best way to prevent more hair loss to do something about it. Why are you still have some time to grab the New Year about a follicles? Here's to a year personal growth stock new chapter one in which you have hair. The onus losers perhaps dot com. 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Apply see website for full details. Important Safety Information. Remember this for him dot com slash Beaumont. All right it. Is that time a week where we have a guest joining us now? He is the CO creator of billions and to me the funnest fact on his wikipedia page as the term goals. Discover of Tracy Chapman his name. Is Brian Koppelman Escape New York City Court t? I am a couple hours out of the city at a place that you have visited me a place you have seen. Oh yes you live with the good life as you do it as you do it. How you're holding up over there. You know. We're doing all right man. The last thing I could ever do is complain right. The situation I met you and I talk frequently enough that we're aware of the fact that there are lots of ways that someone could have to do this quarantine and if I look at the myriad ways one could do it. I have to say this the way that I'm doing it as among the best possible and so I can't be too upset about it. It's I feel very bad for the world right now. I feel very bad for other people have food security and rent and security and all that stuff and I'm lucky enough right now that I don't so we're hanging strong you know we're doing okay. I actually think that Cortina in the city is not as difficult as people think. When I talked to people in other places they're like Oh my God but you know because they hear about the you know the news and the great state of things here but the one thing about being here is in other places if you WANNA go take a walk. Your City is not configured for you to do this. You're suburbs not configured for you to do that and as much as you'll see pictures on the Internet and people are Central Park and stuff like that by large Arab is taking it serious. Everybody on the street walk around looking like Ninjas would mass on and everything else 'cause like the threat is real serious here in a way that a lot of places people still all believe the threat is really serious. I mean that's what happened. The reason I left the city you know we were shutting down production. We had a planned hiatus of a week on the show and sort of around the beginning of that last week we were gonNA film before we took a. We were supposed to take a week off. Come back shoot and my friend. Tim Ferriss the great writer and podcast called me and he said I'm looking at a bunch of modeling data. New York City is going to be a lot like Wuhan doubt and he said it with a level of seriousness and I told a bunch of my friends than I remember. Actually we got on the phone. And you gotta do shows next week. Yeah I can't leave you. Were doing what you do and I felt like until New York ramped up to where it is now where yes. The city is okay. I really was concerned and I went on twitter and I publicly talked about it and wanted to try to get people to take it seriously because I had been following it closely and then and then Tim who I knew would have really excellent data kind of affirmed and confirmed what I was worried about and so I did. I do like the four weeks kind of that. I I got out of the city. There was a big advantage to not being in the city. Now I understand that it's probably relatively similar spots probably easier to get groceries and stuff in the city out of the city. You and I have one privileged that I think is easy to lose sight. Sometimes which is the ability to call people who know stuff yet right like I was able to because of you know my graduate study neck. Nominee people did healthy con. They're closer deputy in the allergists and stuff like that so I was able to get on the phone with people who knew some things that I personally trust and was like. Hey so what's going on here into a man slash woman they were like not ought to be real man. This is about to be real. Well and I think it's a real strength of yours and of our cohort of friends and associates that when the data says something we do not look for some invisible force. That's going to guarantee our protection from Saint. We are ready to believe the synthesis of the data and react to it and I wish more people understood that there are things called facts and a model is just a guess. You know people want to say well. The MODEL said two million with the model said here. Three scenarios here are five scenarios are seven scenarios if we do X Y and Z. Does the range of options but then of course that stuff gets reduced down in the way that most of the media talks about it. The truth is that the more you can take in and synthesize this information the more chance you have to make an informed in good decision for you and your people and that's what. I'm trying to continue to do to the best of my ability and I tried it then broadcast that stuff on social media for the people who engage with me. Yeah now to somewhat trivial matters but tangentially related to what we're talking about here. How does go when you're shooting a television season? And then the world starts crumbling in the middle of it it's disconcerting and you know human beings learn to manage uncertainty uncertainties apart of all of our lives mostly weed manage it by turning the volume knob down on it right. We all know there's some actuarial figure that accounts for some possibility that on any given day we could die but we don't really focus on that very much. This kind of thing makes you focus on all that uncertainty. And so yeah as we started seeing this come down. We knew we were going to have to adjust in the way we're thinking about the season. We caught a good break in that episode. The last episode we completed of Season Five of billions is episode seven. And it so happens that that episode has an ending. That is a good ending to sort of. Take a pause. If you're a viewer and we were able to film that whole episode edit it and mix it and do the music in the whole thing so episode seven will air and then we'll have a pause as we gathered a go back to production at some point in and finish out the season and we've written the end of the season so we understand where it's going and this is a fair and find sort of mid point but man you know our crew these people who worked so hard and these incredibly long hours. And you know you're just if you're in my mind. David Levine my creative partner and business partner and lifelong best friend. He and I are constantly thinking about what this does the ramifications beyond our creative ramifications but the ramifications to the lives of everyone working on an and and you just wish this didn't have to happen and I think the ending of last season of billions it just the way it went where it was interesting because I was going through episode after episode. It was a whole bunch. You gotta be kidding me. These people can't be the stupid right. We written largely smart people here. Chuck can't be this dumb. What are you talking about and then ties up so neatly in the last episode in a way that I did not see coming and I was like O'Brien okay. I see what you're doing is comfortable place where I was afraid. I was going to have to be dishonest with my friend about how I thought the season was. The last episode came and I was like okay nailed it nailed it all the way back around and I'm like yes. Okay I am here. This is it and now we go into season five right and one thing. I'm curious about in terms of the way that we this notion of the show right it is obscene wealth and looking at how the obscenely wealthy comport themselves You know there's a certain charm two different characters who are involved in it but now especially with the way. This whole corona thing is gone. I'll be curious to know how people feel about these obscenely. Wealthy people is a lot of them right now. More than ever feel like. Oh these people are the problem. Yes fascinating question right. How look the whole time bow? It's been a fascinating question to us. How people respond to Bobby axelrod his world. How people respond to chuck his world. How they respond Taylor. Wendy like you know years from now maybe David and talk about how we actually feel about these people instead. You know we just draw them as we see them and let the people decide. I will say there have been times. I've been surprised by how much rhythm we all want to give these characters and I don't know of. It has to do with our sense of aspiration. I don't know if it has to do with our just fascination with the way they can live I also think though and this holds true in the world of sport right as we're watching Michael Jordan. There's something about excellence and people who work incredibly hard to be incredibly great at what they do that remains something in the American ethos response to that even if it means that while engaging in pursuit of excellence there are character questions that serve as there is a lack of empathy on the part of the person. Prosecuting this agenda. We tend to allow a lot of leniency in a way in that spot and my own suspicion is that's going to continue Bomani even through this situation in which we find ourselves. Yeah would you describe? Is I remember when I was a teenage parents. Hey thank you might want to see a therapist. I like okay. Sounds like a decent enough ideas. Are Berber sat down with therapists? The first time in which she told me to do was she was like you ever see. An Amadeus I've not seen Amadeus. She's like you ought to go. See Amadeus but the whole question within Amadeus is really about the level of indulgence. Afford it to brilliant ingenious right by if you have this person who can do this. Excellent thing because that's thing about the whole Mozart carriages completely Axa fu people kinda gotta swallow it because it is in fact Mozart Right. There is absolutely that tendency because people are attracted to brilliant people are attracted to excellence. Yeah I would even use the word genius. That's one of my favorite movies of all time and the questions that it asks about the price of genius to though and about the duality that can exist inside of genius and about who's threatened by genius wire they threat. I mean this is something you don't Wanna call yourself a genius but Bo. This is something you've dealt with your whole life right which is the fact that you don't hide your formidable intellect. You don't hide your gift. You don't suffer fools that well at times right. You can judge someone in a way by how they receive that process. It react to it and I do think that when I look at the characters on the show. Theser hyper intelligent. People who are unwilling to tone down. Who there now. They will play the fool in order to win at the end. Which is what you're talking about. That happened at the end of last season. But they will do that because they know the victory dance is GonNa be worth it as he. What I think is interesting about the billionaires in this context right because so Mozart I mean we've got you know centuries in all this time you know subsequent to win. He do his time where there's a benefit to the world of the music. Even Jordan right. I think that people would say in the end that would he did provided something for others right now. We got this pandemic out here in these streets in these billionaires. Do Damn thing for us it would. It would be great stuff how you it coincidentally throw it like a hospital owner in this season. We can see how that how bad of thing go. Yeah I would say if you're listening to this and you haven't watched that movie and it sounds like Oh the subject matter is is an interesting to you. There's a character in it is one of the most amazing villains. And he's like if you watch the Jordan he's Jerry Krause is salary. Yeah because it's also about courtier as what it is to be a court and know have to serve king and make yourself look like the valuable person in the court and make other people in the court look disloyal or make other people in the court look now. We could argue about who the courtiers really were there right. There's some articles now that are dragging on fill in some articles ragging on but if you look at it that was a situation where there were a lot of people trying to curry favor to a few different kings and people who are jealous of. Michael and jealous of Phil as well. I love the documentary for the questions that it raises eidos funny because I recall viewing sally areas almost a bit of a sympathetic figure in that. Because he's the one who had put up Mozart right and I feel like krause. Just because of the way he's been presented he's almost impossibly become a sympathetic figure to meet in this right because nobody talks about is every single thing krause thought that they should do right every single boo that he was proposing. That people hated all the ones that you propose that. Mike hated the readers of the Jordan. Rules can tell you. They all made sets but he didn't draft Jordan constantly. Wanted to say that it wasn't Michael's doing and and how can you say it was right to get rid of Phil who went on and won championship after championship. Now that's the one that I think questionable but I think that the macro level idea. We need to start over again. I do think that he was right about that but I don't know I think he's right about the run. Being over Scottie. Pippen was finished since Gotti was finished. I don't know how they were. GonNa put that thing back together like trying to find something to give Scotty and sell high on that. That was the move. I think the crowd correct but it turned out not to be. We don't have to live in a results. But how do you not say to Phil Jackson? All right here's thirteen million. Stay for another year when this run ends fill then your time is done but let's keep runnin. Well what if you felt like field lie to you about who the sources of the Jordan rules were in Atlanta you fire? Somebody who shouldn't have been fired. I would say please go win me and other championships are just say. I just think I think there's more nuance and like after I watch this and I was like you know what I'd actually like to watch a thirty minute documentary on Jerry. Krause or like a real deep sort of exploration because the part that I find fascinating about crowds is. I knew he was Chubby. I didn't know he was five foot. Five steps up those pictures of him at practice and he just looked so completely out of place in. Nobody wants to give him any credit. Because Michael Jordan is present. It is due from Arkansas that you waited fouled and a little biddy Jim. He hates you to write because Michael hates you. Everybody around here hates you and you actually look. You put together a team around the scoring champion and no score. Champion had ever won a championship prior to this and nobody cares. Nobody cares at. I imagined that has to be really painful. Yeah but he didn't draft Jordan. He didn't so he didn't. I do not give him credit. Here's the thing though. He did not draft Jordan but we give Pat Riley credit for building south at around abroad. James Right even draft and we went sign. Lebron James and everybody knew Lebron James or somebody that you should side for example. No that's totally different. You're making my argument from me. Pat Riley went and found that peace and brought it in Jerry. Krause had nothing to do with the central piece of Pat Riley the whole world. Think of it this way. The Whole World Wanted Lebron James and Pat. Riley found a way to get them through those. I'm not look I'm not a big Pat Pat Riley left Knicks broke my heart right when I look at politics within a corporate culture any corporate culture. I'm always GONNA look for the guy who sort of sitting in a glorified Middle Management Position. Angling for the top spot. Who's trying to grab a much credit up? Now you have to in your in show business. You understand the way that people playoff other people the way people will tell talent one thing until the higher up something else and so to me when I try to transfer who Jerry Krause would be in our industry. I cannot think anything. But that I- revile that guy and how he positions himself. My sympathies are always going to be with the coach and the players the people who put themselves on the line right. Now I'll say this and I and I generally indicate which you on that now where I would disagree with you a Riley you're right Riley Guy Lebron Lebron made as we've learned Lebron's free agency. Does he decides where he's going but rally didn't find Lebron right like get. Lebron is what they had found him. Then maybe I would look at it a little bit differently but I think that people found what's he got Lebron boss to go way that how to build the team around Adecco Win. A championship was not nearly as simple as people thought he was in the first place because those teams were often of those four years. There were two years where they were the best team in the league but it wasn't just head and shoulders best team in the league right like they weren't there because building around the Brown was horrid it. Look that's where I think for crowds. It does get to be eight. Kraus's hired Phil Jackson right so we can say he didn't draft. Might he hired Phil Jackson will look what it seems to me from what. I've READ AND WATCH JERRY KRAUSE. But then it seems to me that he allowed his ego yes to not think about what was really best for the squad but instead to think about what was best for Jerry Krause which was he wanted credit. He didn't want to fill to get the credit of course if he'd made the moves he'd made and acted like a gentleman than we would all have a different opinion of him. I think also think he's taking a larger of Jerry reinsdorf bullets one of those owners short pro sports in that part never comes up at all now. What seems to be clear to me about. This documentary is that Mike is decided that there's some people that we not say nothing bad about. Ron's door is very looked out. For in the course of this krause's not collins very looked out for in the course of this. You know Mike made two calls a WHO's GonNa look good in this and the call was made like at some point and I've watched eight episodes of this. I don't think any point ever comes around and people say well you gotTa Give Jerry Credit for DOT DOT DOT. Note that of that. He's just you know what I'm trying to think of. What one of these movies where they create an evil person in everything but like the hurricane right where they created that cop who didn't really exist he just became the representation of evil and Jerry? Krause is the man. Dan Hadi played the character and in Hurricane. Who you all know from. He's an usual suspects. But yeah right and so Jerry. Krause is the walking representations of the man even though the actual man is still alive and they got interviews with him. He Ain't got to answer for Noth- I also want to point out as great as the last ads. Is there were commercials than it? So you can tape the last dance and watch billions in. Its timeslot at nine o'clock on Sunday night. You now. You can watch billions if you want starting at midnight Saturday night. Billions going beyond the first episode on showtime on Showtime Anytime on demand. So you can watch it ahead of time and then watched last dance at night but I think you should do is tape last dance watch billions at nine and then roll into last ads because then you can watch it without commercials. It has actually very interesting that your show. It secure both have the same thing. Where the last day is that this is going to dictate the last dictate where you guys air. But the last day it's supposed to run a June. It was going to be great right. Secure go run at Ti. Able to knock de sees it out before that cave around. I was able to knock y'all out before I came around. Da Da da Da da. We need something that over here here. We are well. Yeah but luckily you've watched so much of the last answer. You don't have to watch you in real time and you can watch my show. That is correct. I can't wait to see what happens here. Bed like this is because I m Taylor gang all the way that is by single favorite character the only like across the board likable would actually no. I do like them. Afi Guy also and the two of them say squat. I like that. I appreciate that. It's a strong squad Taylor. Mason capital squad is a strong squad in fact. I like all of them and her assistant. I don't know she's not the assistant. I don't even know how to describe the woman you know what I'm talking about talking about. The character of Lauren played by Jay to speech. She's fantastic yes she's great. Yes yes like all of that. I'm over there for that team. I'm rooting them. Plenty of them on the show. You'll you'll dig. What what they're up to this season for sure that wanted this because you said you know you guys don't really you know we'll talk about this. Maybe when it's over but I'm kind of curious about this like as you write a show like this and you have the characters and as they evolve year after year after year. Like what affections do you? Or don't you develop toward care. Because They David Simon legendarily kill anybody off. You can't fall in love with your characters but it feels impossible not to you know. We're pretty ruthless. About what would happen to these characters? Meaning if we think a character would act at a certain way we're GONNA allow that character to act in that way we do love all these characters when you write them and you're inside their heads. I mean these characters. Basically exists somewhere in the imaginations of David and me and then the actors who play them. And there's no way to Them speak this dialogue and think the way that they'd think that understanding why they think the way they think without having empathy for the position. They're in when you're writing that character's voice now obviously we understand the superstructure of the thing and we understand who they are and how they fit into the world and we understand the deep flaws that they have as human beings but that doesn't but but alongside that we have of course a tremendous amount of understanding which leads to some affection for them. You know I'm never going to give any spoilers out about what happens to anybody but I'll say we are willing to do what we have to do to serve the shop like I just think that as if I were doing something like this thing. I remember once they We're doing to be wire rewatch online. And all the people that played various care to come up and of course with actors is going to be a little bit different. But I think I'll go back and forth with the dude who play named Brice. Who is you know rounding considered a sucker in wire viewing circles the dude? That was playing neighbor. Bryce you would have thought. He thought that we was calling him a sucker like his his level of defense for David was off the charts. Now bad he's a sucker. Everybody knows that he is a sucker. And you had these characters come up. I just imagine that this guy is this a little bit more now with not even necessarily that dictates the plot but I imagine the interesting emotional experience dictating the course of these people. You well these actors Have to be able to advocate in their minds for the character. They're playing because they have to understand the motivations so they have to understand. Why like you know? If you're shakespearian actor playing Richard the third. You have to understand why Richard. The third thinks he can do the things that he does you know. And if you're writing these characters you have to do the same thing. The other thing is man. These actors are so great they bring so much life to the characters that you also love them is an amazing thing that I get to do for a living getting to like live in my imagination work with my closest friend and have these just unbelievable actor show up to serve really breathe life into it so yeah of course you Kinda Fall in love a little bit so like with this season when you start writing season like this. Do you know where you want it to go right or is it just kind of a matter like I feel like there's a a story for those episodes? Were going to carry out but like when you when you start. Do you know where you want it to it. That's like the moment of breakthrough that happens at the beginning of every season. So Yeah David and I'll go off and our other writers in between seasons and you know you want to just kind of playing like doing things not just sitting there. Grinding thing about the show which you want to have happen is that your subconscious mind is working right so when you start then okay now. It's last season. I think we start the writer's room July fifth so hey it's July fifth what are we thinking about and you start talking about this stuff thinking about it and suddenly you throw an idea and conversation happens and then the next morning you'll be journaling or meditating or Dave and it's like that's where this has to go and then once you kind of know once David I know. Here's the and here's what the end is. GonNa look like which happened. You understood once you understand that then the rest of it starts to fall into place. The rest of it starts to lock in from there right whereas the music. Nha Are you. The music is heavy in that whole thing right sometimes the music and a scene show up at the same time sometimes. We're all year long all year. Long making song lists Dave's doing it to all your long. We're thinking about it if I hear a song and something in it resonates with something about one of the characters were situation. It's going on my playlist and then I'll start reviewing that playlist and thinking about it plus like you. You know you have had a lot of talks about music right. I've spent a lifetime not even consciously getting ready to pick music for this stuff but I spent a lifetime obsessing about music obsessing as you do about who played bass on that track of who you know. Who's the drummer who mixed it? So so that these songs are are very alive to me and very real things and where they kind of how they live matters so that so that went on their writing us and I suddenly a song idea will show up. You know Dave and I'll go. Hey listen to this track. Or he'll text me going. You know we're just constantly thinking about the way in which the songs play in like four songs in the first episode of the season. Sorry five songs and three of them are the original record in two of them are kind of played within the thing in a different way but the three records. That play are really significant for a variety of reasons. You want is that. Somebody's just watching the show the moments playing and they're just digging. What's happening on screen? And they don't have to know who's singing the song or what the song means it just hits them as an experience right we all have watching movies and TV but what you hope is for the people who care about this stuff for get it on the Meta level also land on the mental level. You want to have that thing where it just all kind of make sense together as separate factors and then also as the Dauletabad it like the whole like I think a mistake that people love stuff like that is trying to get something. They think they're quote unquote. Everybody can get. Everybody will recognize irrelevant. And I know it doesn't matter that much you know why because I'm a black person that watch but stuff right like no one's ever thinking about we'll do the black people get this reference note has never it right. I pick up on whatever it is to meet best use of music in onscreen that I can recall your assets. Top my head. It's easy money Malcolm X. Spike Lee used chains. Come for for those four minutes stretch. Which by the way must have cost a fortune to get out inclined to sign off on the full four minutes but I had never heard the song before then. It didn't matter if I knew it right it it went. You know you're able to consume it in the time period and that's one thing I dig. Is that what is not so quite on the nose right? You can't get a strike in bowling hitting it straight down the middle. It can't be right down. What's the Sam Cooke Song at the beginning of our league? Sam Cook Singing 'cause Malcolm's also in it. Yeah thanks bring it home to me. And it's like John in the version from live at the Harlem Square Hole Right. It's live at and he's singing when all that stuff is Marianne People's is acts in that so they also use Sam Cooke as a way to do that which was fascinating. The and the the flaw that Ali had was as too on the nose is after Malcolm gets killed they brought when they bring you into it and that's whereas like oh no regular home to me. Every single version of that I have ever heard is incredible. Like that is the most monstrous like you cannot get this in any way whatsoever. I remember when I first got live at the club in the eighties early eighties and it was actually the first time I'd ever read the liner notes in that record. The vinyl was the first time I'd ever understood. Because you know I was born in sixty six so in eighty I was fourteen or fifteen and I bet you. That record came out. Eighty two or eighty three or something. I don't I haven't looked and I remember reading it as a fifteen sixteen year old and understanding that Sam had to have didn't use an expression like code shifting or anything like that then but that Sam Cooke had to perform differently for different audiences. I know awareness of that as a suburban white kid. I didn't understand that you send me. Sam Cooke was entirely different from the Sandra Hook. Who would perform on that particular circuit for what he thought of his own people? And I remember listening to that album and the way that he sang and understanding. Oh yeah this guy's the greatest singer wherever live because he can do the Perry Como and he could saying harder than Rod Stewart and he was like mind blowing to me. Now you probably came up and that record was always just part of it but I record very specifically came out much later than in its time. Yeah no I really got into Sam around in college and you realize that the SAM catalogs like James Brown catalog and a lot of ways where there are two wings to it right. Ryota is doing that in present time. Also Riyadh has got all these hits on like the dance circuit and everything else that are not to solve. That played all black radio right. And so is Sam. I had not realised to recently. It was the first time I really dug into the hall and square club-record and you hear it and you're like Oh okay then you read a little more and you're like oh no this is. They didn't release his while he was alive for an express reason right and it was because this is too hard. I'm looking it up right now. So eighty five right so it was recorded sixty three and didn't come out until eighty five and I remember eighty five so I'm eighteen about-turn nineteen or something like that. And they shelved that record for twenty two years even though it was the kind of definitive showcase for what Sam Cooke did and it is yet fascinating and you talk about. I always said we should do. A music podcast. The two of us and I was getting close a other. I keep saying that then. I picked more projects the music part of the Jordan Doc. It's been interesting to the music supervision. This apparently it's the same dude. By the way in case you're curious he'd be like oh he solves is so perfect for this documentary gentleman named Rudy. Chang and I have given him a lot of credit through this because he never went right on the nose on these right like I ain't no joke was a perfect choice. I'm bad for the eighty six stuff. He's typically right in line with the Todd Sullivan. One thing that I've found is not from the same time as the moment but man I was like you nailed it. Yeah I it's funny. I haven't paid close attention. I've only watched the four episodes and yeah the music in the pocket. None of it made me go and listen a records but still yes. You know when something's really nails me I'll then go and have to go down a deep sort of whole of going through all of it and that didn't mostly 'cause watching it is such a memory play you know it's just I'm so back there. I was at so many Knicks. Game's Jordan was so large. That team was so large in our imaginations that this thing has really done it to me. Yeah I think it's hard to explain to people like the largess of Michael Jordan. I think the documentaries doing a good job of this 'cause like I am of the age Lebron been around for a big moments. Have been in the tunnel when he walks past. Still in Georgia right now i. I don't know if it's possible for anybody to be a star in this day in the way. That Jordan was a star in Nineteen ninety-two. There's only one Frank Sinatra trade. You know what I mean. There's only one Michael Jordan. It is very much so like Frank Sinatra. I think it is man. He'd think about the way he's sitting there and smoking car and sort of the way he cannot somebody and change their lives. I mean that Jim. I had never heard. The story told exact. I've read it and everything but the fact that Paxton was such a great shooter and it took until that moment and that game it took it for. It wasn't even fill saying it was that packs and hit. That first shot that he got that made. Michael finally be like okay. Fine and then Michael. Change obviously treated Kerr that way and also but that was an incredible moment to me as if Paxson is an NBA player. Right as if if he could not shot would be allowed in the facility. Yes exactly that job Paxi. He didn't have the key card to get in. They were like oh go. Make an open. Seventeen footer that's how we know of. Is You know unbelievable unbelievable. I always wonder how it is. Remixed vans because it's interesting. That Jordan is broken. Knicks fans hard so many times but I never feel like Knicks. Fans hate Lava right I never feel animists. We hate Scotty. We hated Larry. Without lots of guys we hated and look lots of Knicks. Fans would shout down Jordan but I will tell you I went to the double nickel game which they haven't you probably saw that already but I haven't covered the game. I haven't got to that episode yet. I went with my friend Gary Harris and I'll never ever forget what it felt like when he made the first shot of that game and then we realized what was happening. The garden cheered for him. The way cheered for Muhammad Ali away cheered for Bruno. San Martino cheered for billy. Joel Bruce like the garden cheered from Michael Jordan that night because he was giving us back this gift and you know I see similarities and say if I look at my show the way that Jordan exerts influence on people on the whole world the way he bends the world to his will is really something that we explore on the show right. I mean that is these are all characters who try to use their special skills to bend the world. There will end this. I think in part as we talk about is the attraction of brilliant. Yes people I think. Have a universal appreciation for Brilliance and in the midst of it they will do whatever it takes to continue the brilliance. Yeah they have to. They feel compelled to. We have decided that. There's a level of indulgence that we will afford to the brilliant but it's twinned with jealousy because that's the other part of Amadeus is that salaries incapable of the genius. He can recognize it and so he has to try that when he gets the opportunity to cut it down. He's GonNa cut it down because he can't make himself a better human being human being able to get to the other side of it and and recognize that genius like that should purely be celebrated and I'm on the side that says those things are so rare that when they show up we should water them. Get them plenty of Sun and help them grow. I need to get you to where we're going to. You know what I'm saying. That's in fact. That's what I need every time I go somewhere public so by let's go by does waddled water me watch me grow. That's a whole another eleven like the Bundy Brown right. Gigabyte A POST. Waddell you you Do have certain similarities of self regard. It turns out the river watching Nava days because I think the point that the therapist is trying to make and like I guess as a proxy for my parents was correct. Which was you really want to be out here acting a fool like this like is this you ought to be. Is this the kind of person that you ought to be? As though as a result I have such minimal. Re people who behave as Mozart did while also fully understanding the vesting like okay. Did it bother you when prince behaved like that? I'm able to acknowledge it is what it is as an adult of come to understand. These are the trades that you wind up getting nowhere I get bothered is obviously with people. Act like this. And they know GME prints right. Yes that's correct if you're Jordan Knight and you try to act that way. It's not okay of not here for like nothing over self-indulgence and that is where you give me room like well. Why do you think you ain't gotTA show up all right desk throat? Yeah couldn't agree more. All these people should comport themselves in a way with generosity of spirit and understanding that not. Everybody has their gifts that absolutely should be the standard to which they have to live but if the price of getting the art is that sometimes not to harm anybody right. There's lines but if the price of getting the art is some petulance. I'll put up with the Patriots. Yeah everybody I guess everybody wants to live it right. Like very just gets to a place where it's like okay. I've had enough and it's always interesting to see what their place is. Depending on who the person is because the person always tends to have one or two people that didn't put up with that and they appreciate the one or two people third arrogant had to live with it. That's right that's exactly right so we got billions. We are seasons kicking off may third at nine PM Eastern. It sounds like you still really enjoy doing it. I really do. I mean you talk to me on the days that I'm tired from other restaurant. I always seemed like I'm into doing it. I can't tell the difference right. I'm into it man. What incredible thing I get to do for a living and I've done this for a really long time and I've done it long enough that I actually super appreciate that. This is the life that I get to live. It's kind of unlike those people. I don't fancy myself a genius at all. I just fancy myself someone who works really hard to get the most out of whatever talent that I have and all I WANNA do is get to keep telling these stories at this high level in one day with all the world gives bad normal. We're GONNA go see starving house really bummed out me too. I've been listened to a lot of his music. All in sales guy. Earth is that that is the one that has gotten my full on immersion and not for the in bloom cover which I think is good not great. The last three songs though on that all around you know Sarah into I can ever remember the name of the last one The the real rocket turn on the TV turn on the news. I'm like okay. It's hard for me. The last record is when I hear remembered breathe when I hear basically to me. Every single song on the latest record is better than the one that comes before and I never spoil. What songs are going beyond billions? But I think you'll be happy and I'm here for somewhere in the season greatly appreciated. That is by Brian. 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"Before. We get started with today's show. I wanted to tell you about another grade. ESPN podcast Bryant went Hurson. who collected the post episodes? Monday and Thursday mornings, bright and early, the latest one discusses which players have decided against playing in the NBA's retired and a chance. Those who do wearing health tracking technology be sure to check it out. You can download and subscribe to Brian Winters in the WHO collective now as well as the right time wherever you get your pockets. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right todd. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening grab. You'll get your podcast rate US review. US gives five stars. You only give it four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater coming up on this episode of the Right Tab. What world is you mad? Dak Prescott doing. Are these boys going to actually play college football. We also got your stories about the time. You thought you were going to have a big party with a million people, but ain't nobody really show up but I. WHO BORE NASCAR made its way into our news gave a taste, some unfunny, funny wound up in a back and forth with some do yesterday on the tweets. And I was talking about the thing with NASCAR, and for those of you who don't know I think this is an important thing to put into this bubble wallace store because there's a lot being made about effect that a noose was left in his garage area and A lot should be made about that fact, but what was going on outside? The stadium was just as important of the track rather is just as important to me as the thing that happened with him with the news magna. Let me let me be careful on that because I do think that with the news, the thing that's important about the news the day kind of waving over a little bit. They showed everybody walked with bubba Wallace on track is as good a chance that whoever was out there with him on that track. One of those people is the one that put that noose in. In there. Right like from what they've told us about who had access to this area. It is entirely possible to somebody that's out there claiming that they was down for him on the NASCAR. Kick actually is one of the people that did this right? This might happen might be thing and so. That's a concern that I think NASCAR has obviously is which one zero people apparently did this, but the Guardian did a story about this and I didn't really see this in too many places, but the Guardian Board is worth a British publication had this. There were people who were driving around in Talladega With their flags right like that was the big thing they to show. They were still around, and so they ride around with they confederate flags, and then you had which I think is been more publicized a plane that flew over Talladega with a battle with a confederate flag. That said Default Nascar. Right. These are the things that are going on right now. The way that I put it is NASCAR is saying. Hey, we're not a racist entity. We're not racist sport in the racist alike. WHO LOOK! What do you mean you're not? I thought we had an understanding. About this one, so I had some cat pop up and he was just on. You know you know I don't ever talk about Nasr. Car I. Don't trust is no any NASCAR. Fans I know NASCAR fans right like it's not every friend that I've ever had like I know NASCAR fans is a one thing that's also to a good friend of mine. WHO'S REALLY INTO NASCAR? Point? The he made and I think the Talladega point this out. Because I told him I was like up into a raise down at homestead. Which is south of Miami I was like. Really see the flag and all that stuff out, there is like yeah, the newer tracks. You're not really going to see it. There's like you're not gonNA see it. Chicago was an example gay, but he was like the new tracks. You Not Really GonNa see he's I, but when you start getting into the traditional tracks, rival started getting to Talladega Martinsville. To Darlington right when you start to go into those tracks. He's like that's what it's going to be an issue because it's the flag is the t shirts. It's everything else like it's GonNa take a lot for them to get those folks to stop doing is they? Don't have a lot of people out. If they're really dedicated to. Making this thing, happened and ask somebody hit me onto all man. You know you're only we'll talk about this because it's a matter of race in his like is not that I only want to talk about this as a matter raised, but we all have to acknowledge. Objectively speaking right if you separate yourself from the pain that's associated with this. This is the most intellectually interesting thing that's happened around Nascar in quite a while. You know like otherwise I. Don't know what else you want me to come out here and talk about. WE'RE REGARDS TO NASCAR WITH I'm a fan of not other people WanNa get you. Hey, Ma'am! There's a national story right now and we're here. BECAUSE NASCAR got one black driver in the midst of America pretending to have some sort awakening, and they got to figure out what you do. Because a lot of the stuff they've been doing only works if there's no black people around. Now, you've got a black person around. Hey, maybe we need to rethink this whole confederate flag thing right. Okay, because bubble. Wallace is here and I watched what went on at Talladega on Monday. Me Give you one thing to note about Talladega that I did not realize honestly until this morning before preparing to do this podcast. I saw this on TV after I'd seen what I'm going to tell you, but a Paul Finebaum mentioned that the press box at Talladega used to be named after George Wass. Right We gotta take this another step further. That track at Talladega was built in large part because Bill France the patriarch of NASCAR. Endorsed George Wallace for president. In Nineteen, seventy two. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah like that's the thing. That's how that whole track got to be there. In the first place that is a track in large part that segregation bill, now of course, this comes after the segregation and everything else, but when you win the owner of the whole damn thing decides. He's going. Put his arm around George Wallace for president. You're given a signal about what kind of party it is that you throw in because what we know George Wallace Ford Segregation now segregation tomorrow segregation forever. In that who the man that RAN NASCAR put his arm around it apart to build his track there. We're talking about right now. There's track that's at the centerpiece of everything. You gotTA understand this. If you're going to talk about all of this means for Nascar right the relationship that they have with people who do things like Wade the confederate flag. They have embraced those people. And when the time came that it wasn't really justifiable to do that. They told those people to stop bringing their flags, but then didn't do anything about it when they actually brought their flags to put this in context. Ole Miss, the University of Mississippi did more to get people to stop waving confederate flags than NASCAR deed the school. Whose Mascot is the rebels? Did More to stop people waving the flag at their stadium NASCAR DID to get people to stop waving the flag at their tracks, right? This is what they've built. And now they gotTA. figure out how to take down. They had decades to do this. It didn't have to be this, but somewhere along the way they decided that this was going to be their branding right. They decided their branding was going to be a branding of the south, but a very particular kind of south because I'm talking about a south. That doesn't have black people. And South that works hoard to keep black people away. I feel like the people who are not from the south. Don't really understand is how many black people are in the south right? The numbers have declined over the years because of the great migration, but take a state like South Carolina for example south. Carolina was majority black until nineteen thirty. Per The sense, go look that up. Is majority black per the Census Mississippi was in a very similar place there you look at it now. Last time I checked Mississippi was something like thirty six percent black, Alabama somewhere between twenty and thirty percent black Georgia thirty percent Black Texas twenty percent Black Florida I. Want to say something like twenty percent black South Carolina even though South Carolina was so miserable that used to. To be like fifty percent black. It's now like twenty five or something like that. We was getting the hell out of there, but it's still twenty five percent black like this is a significant part of the population that NASCAR and a lot. Folks like Nascar. Have just totally chosen to ignore I. Don't know if you saw it as gay but rolling stone since something out, and this is from a few years ago. Tom, petty before he died was talking about confederate flags, Tom, petty in eighty five album called southern accents, and the branding was very scattered right very very. Very confederate flag all over the place, and he said that he come back, realize what a mistake that was, but it was interesting in his first person story, talking about it petty kept talking about what it was just something that we did in the south it was it was at the courthouse. Was All of these places that that and it's this vision of the South and infuriates me more than anything else. Because the vision of the south without black people like why people want to think about what the South is that our local? They typically do while ignoring us completely, but think about what petty. Petty say it's flag was up at the courthouse, but this is just an everyday normal part of life in that is what Nascar decided. They were going to wrap themselves up in, and it's not like something. They did back in the day. As the symbols chains, the activities remain the same thing about this in two thousand sixteen. Brian France Bill Francis Son who's running NASCAR at the top. NASCAR Endorsed Donald, trump. For President. At. Four drivers come out there to endorse Donald Trump for president. Out here what you think about Donald Trump right now, right 'cause it's really difficult to talk about him because politics and all that stuff, right? However the way that I'm talking about. George, Wallace right now I can say these things about George. Wallace with no reservation, nobody minds wallace good and did right. Nobody cares about. The way that I'm talking about Bill France endorsing George Wallace in fifty years is going to be the way that people talk about Brian France endorsing Donald Trump, they are very very similar figures. In fact, you can go back and look at the states in places that voted and the George. Wallace got the nomination. Go Look at how that matches up. With a Lotta. We're trump got things done in that twenty sixteen election right? They're very very similar historical figures when you think about it, except trump obviously has been more successful than his attempt at winning things nationally. Nascar decided that they were going to be the ones do that. No matter what you think about Donald Trump I'm here to tell you black folks. See You put your arm around Donald Trump in that way. It's an antagonistic decision for you to make. It is in fact for NASCAR when they embrace Ronald Reagan in the ways that they did that was an antagonistic action toward black people Ronald. I believe in state rights in Philadelphia Mississippi in one thousand nine hundred eighty. That's how we see this, and so we got bubble. Wallace who drives for Richard Petty's racing. And by the way Richard Petty won his two hundred race, which was a very big deal who was on hand for? Ronald Reagan. Who was so excited? The Ronald Reagan showed up. Richard Pay Okay so these are all historical things that come together in this moment where all of this has happened to bubble wallace now. I WanNa talk about what happened while it's less in a macro sense than in a micro sense that I think my life experience has informed to a degree and is. Informed by the time the bubble wallace came on our podcast right and this was gives about a year ago. We had a give take. August yeah, somewhere in there, and so I wanted to have wall on and I talked about it for a while of wanting to have him on NASCAR, brought him to the National Association of Black Journalists Convention in Philadelphia and twenty eleven and I was really impressed by him, and I saw star like I looked up, and I saw star I didn't realize how young he was at the time, but I know star when I see one and there was right in. In front of me and I wanted to see how it went. And I said since that day I was like that boy can drop even a little bit just a little bit. He's going to be a giant star, and whatever told has been some hiccups has been ups and downs as he gets to this place, but now he's likely Legit Cup series driver. He's that dude. He's been getting better. He's been improving, and it comes out for the race yesterday and. His fellow drivers pushed his car to the front, and as his great picture opposite itself him, but his mask on a showing it showing himself, and he's showing all of these people behind him, and they're all standing there in a measure of solidarity with him, and it's been talked so much about what he powerful moving moment it was for him to stand there and have all the drivers in the crew. Everybody behind him. That's not what move me. It is not and I think it's cool that all those dudes decided that they would stand with him, but if we're going to be honest here. Somebody left a noose in his garage area. Hope they stand with him like I. Don't think I just as much as real like. Wow, what a big shift! This is for NASCAR. There's A. pull a knife three inches out my back sort of situation going on there when you talk about how moving, this is and I admit it infuriates me when these things happen that everybody wants to jump on so much more for the heartwarming moment at the end than truly reckon with what happened in the beginning. Right like this is the thing that just goes on right. You might not see a headline for the actual event, but the apology or everything else that comes on so Richard Petty says go put his arms around Bubba Wallace, and that becomes the lead story right say Richard did people who kneel during the national anthem need to go find another country to live. Right. And, and this is the thing about it I can't tell you so much. What is inside Richard Petty's heart? I can't do that. I don't like to get into game, but I tell you it is. He sounds like when he says that a whole lot of people who've made their hearts very clear to meet. Just divorce ourselves from that because we got a happy moment because he came to hug bubble house. We can't we can't do that. That's that's no I'm not doing that I'll tell you what to move in a moment was to me. The, moving moment was after the race what he's doing the interview and he's standing there, and he takes off his mask and he says I know. I'm supposed to be wearing a mass right now. But I want these people to see. You're not gonNA, make me stop smiling right and all of that and I think that people really dug that part. That wasn't the part that moves me. And good for him by the way that he can stand in the face of this, maintain his temerity maintain his constitution goofy hip. Part that was moving for me. was those black people who were at the track behind him behind the fence as he stood there with the black lives matter t on and seeing him cry in that moment about that, and this is the reason why that part was. What was moving from me in this is where it's informed by my experience, and it's informed by having him on the show so when we had him on a pie. I didn't really want to talk to him about being the black NASCAR truck right because I feel like a couple of things one I feel like everybody is probably tried to hit them up to talk to him about that, too. I think he legitimately does not want to be viewed in the context right, and that's a bit of an assumption that I'm making my in, but I'll always remember something. He said he said. Look Man I'm black. I might not be as some people. GOT, on black! You know you're just going to have to deal with this, and I should've asked the follow up. When he said maybe I'm not as black as some people I don't know if he meant that from the standpoint of being light skin. If you meant that from viewing it that way because his father is white, you know what I mean like I. Didn't I don't know where exactly he came from on that and for one I admit I don't always know what to say with what they call a biracial people and the reason. I always say biracial light. That is your black. Right this idea that you get to decide well I'm kind of black and white. At the same time. It's not a game where none of us decided, we were going to be black. You're black right? Your Daddy is white. You're black like that's how I see that, but I feel like at times when I do that. I could understand why somebody feels as though I am invalidating a person's experience, however that invalidating your experience as much as them's the rules, you know cops. Okay, if your Momma White. Right, We'll be half as much. It's not how it works, right. You're black. But what I heard when he said that it would seem to be pretty clear. Is that we didn't want to do. Who has been in this world of racing? Right was leave school every day to go the track. He is many days out. Imagine the only black person who is there, and he's really really good right, and so that always that becomes its own tricky sort of thing, and what I imagine. Is this dude? He just trying to kick it. You know. He's just trying to hang out like everybody is key. It's typically what to hang out in the impediment to him. Just hanging out like everybody else gets to hang out is the fact that he's black. You know this is an do. That's really look to draw attention to his blackness because he doesn't have to draw attention to what they all know at the second that he shows up, and it sounded in talking to him that that's created a lot of awkwardness for him. Now imagine for him trying to figure out where exactly he belonged, because he belongs in a race car, but does he belong at the track? And I think it can be difficult for those guys in those places where white people, but also for him, hanging out with black people right like look man scared told us he plays drums in a metal band. All right like I. Don't I don't get the feeling that that means. He's just hanging out with all these people on his own time. If that's what he's, that's where the drone plane got here right like I. Don't feel like that's really the folks that he's been hanging out with and I. Imagine that for him. He probably has a certain I. Don't know insecurities the way to put it, but wondering if he is accepted by black people, because so much of his life is anti to what we associate with being black. You know. And so. Again these are a certain measure of conjecture that I'm offering right like I know that feeling somewhat not entirely I look. I grew up in suburban Houston and all my block. We would only black people who live there, but I went to school. My parents intentionally had me go someplace that had more black people I was route NATO? Black colleges all the time like I had an immersion in blackness that was there, but also like what I'm in school I'm taking all the smart people classes. They not putting a lot of us in the smart people classes, it's just meet right, and so when I'm not in the sport people classes, and we go to the classes that a little bit more integrated in those ways I'm probably for a long time, a little more inclined to hang out with white dude, because the white dude's ones that have been taking classes with for all these years right like these are the people that I know like I play ball stuff and I'd be cool with cats and. And nobody ever ostracize me in any sort of way, but I was aware in many ways that I was not in the same places there but I always remember that my junior year something happened, and they couldn't put me into smart people classes that I wanted for some reason it, so they had put me in regular people, classes and I was there, and it was really like for me to first time that I'd really had an opportunity in school to just be like hanging out with the black votes. That were there like I. You know what I'm going to school bus and stuff like that or whatever, but this is different right and for me. It did a lot for my level of comfort because one thing I realized is. Any judgments that I thought this. Some of them might have about me. They did not have. You know I remember, too. I didn't grow up where I went to school so I wouldn't like hanging out with these cats too much school and stuff like that like I just felt like I was on this island. That's how I feel like Wallace probably feels I believe school. Go straight to the track, right? On this island I'm not with them in that way, and I remember that yeah, I was just there, it went no major thing you would know like shocking thing to change my life, but there was something for me to be said to be in this place, and at an age, especially where you looking for acceptance, and I'd always just been like the smart dude, right? That was the only thing I knew as the first time. Time I got to be a dude that was there, and I was like an l. look back on it, and that was a really important thing to me and then I. Go to you, which is if I had any of those reservations anymore? They were going to completely out the window. But you know I never questioned my blackness, but I did wonder sometimes how some other people might view me in the context of blackness. And so let's look at Wallace. WHO said I'm not as black as some people that says meet at somebody that on some level is questioned his own blast, not judging him for this right because I see, he's growing up in a very particular circumstance, but that's what I hear is someone who was questioned his own blackness. And so I see this dude any standing there. And he's got those people behind him and black lives matters t shirts. These fans that he had no idea that he had helped fans that had no idea they were his fans until he was out there and what I saw was someone who perhaps. This brought about a moment that I don't think he ever thought that he would fully experience. I think it's the moment that he realized. There while he has been hoping to be accepted in this world of racing. And that he is hoped that at some point that he's White, folks would take Kim as he is in not think of him as the black guy that happens to be there. Little did he know that as is just about always the case. You'll people been right over there with their arms wide open ready to take you. Because no matter how it goes man, and you can look around the world on as long as you don't sell us out. We got you. We know the struggle that you have. We know what is like, even if we haven't done it exactly for you, we know what it's like for you to be the one guy in that room. We know what the things are that you must have overheard. People say about you. We know that things that people have probably said to your face. We know how that feels. We know the humiliation that you're probably received at some point when you believe that. That these white people that you were with cared about you and saw you as being one of them, and then you heard the things that they've had to say. We know all those things. We know the danger that you were in on a fairly consistent basis being demand. You are in the world that you're in right. We know and we knew that there was a chance that the day will come. Somebody will put a noose and your garage area. We are the ones who always appreciated what the struggle is that you were going through and we have always been. They're prepared and ready when you needed. To take you in. When you just wanted. To take you in, and I see that picture him, but those people behind him and I see the emotion on his face, and I see a man who realized that. Whatever his own personal relationship with blackness happens to be. Blackness has a relationship with him. Blackness embraces him and his type of black, his brand of black his particular experience. We embraced it. We here for you. You can be good at this racing. You could be to do finish in last every week. We're going to have you. because. We know that you need us. dudes out there on track. Some of them there for you because they know that you need them. But a lot of them there because they know that they need him. Well need you. Like in that way. That's now what is at all. But there you stood at a track that George Wallace. Put up there because NASCAR was willing to embrace the segregationists. Black folks, even though people out here with these flags and everything else in the midst of a pandemic. I imagine some of those people never been in that track ever before didn't even know the directions on how to get to the track. And they were there for that dude, and I can't imagine how much that warned his heart and I hope for him that it helps solidify whatever there may be about him and his self image that he's been trying to make peace with. I hope for his own sake that that moment in that day solidified that for him, you could say this is a great day for Nascar no sir. That was a great day for Bubble Wallace and it didn't have nothing to do with the drivers that won't attract with him. That was a great day for bubba. Wallace, because I think that that was the day. The bubble wall is realized no, my man. You are just as black. As everybody else, that's out there. You are just as black as me. You are just as black those people who came to cheer you want. And they're going to be here with you until you tell them to leave. Please don't tell them to leave just just just just just just just to let you know about one by to cancel this, do like please don't please. Don't please don't tell US leave. These are fans that wouldn't have been there. Yeah, had last couple of weeks had an unfolded with banning the confederate flag, but I also think past that. I just don't think he knew he was. How would they know their daughters black dude? Name was Bubba Wallace. They know right at no cost to this now. Just ready for the next level of it, which is all right? I don't have no evidence. It is right I. Don't know, but I'm just saying is right now. I'll know who you might be out here. Maybe, you want to the city girls, maybe you. Maybe, what am Khloe? HALLEY's our. No, I'm trying to think of somebody else. That might work out well. I'm just saying which one of Y'all wants to be Sierra to his Russell Wilson. All you gotTA. Do is get show agent to call his agent and Y'all can make your habit. I'm just saying not now that you know we hear brother. I'm here to tell you the sisters are here to. They down. They win it. I seen what they've been tweeting about you button. For I don't know I. Don't know what it is that you into right, but I do know this. You've been out here. Hang with these white dues for very long Tom One thing. I know about these white dudes. They talk about black women. Some of them want to Holler, but they afraid to the Black Woman GonNa shut them down. That's they fear a saint. It I know what's up here I'm here to tell you bub now. Man Down they down here for. Come on, look. Look what Sierra has done for Wilson's life. Everything has changed. Russell Wilson Right Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, that's great, but he wouldn't off our quarterback. Look at about here now. You wouldn't host the SP's. Did you know you ain't get no evidence in fact? Since people are on their journeys. Here, what are Y'all introduced? bubba Wallace to Naomi Oh sokoll. That work. That this great idea did I. Don't know man. The travel schedules might be kinda difficult. It might it might Naomi Osaka. She's going international on us. That's true. That's true I. Mean, but at the same time that maybe drive a Formula One. All I'm saying is over the weekend. Naomi Osaka was sitting by the pool, reading the wretched Earth. The Earth, the Internet Bradley now, the rest of the earth is real. If you know you know type situation, there's a time where you bought a copy of Richard and they put you put that in your file, right. She got onto it put. The earth out there, she by need to be bubble wallace to let's get this. How can we make this happen? How could we get your them up? How can we put the two of them together right slow? The Josie outs. Dude, right, we can't. We can't bring her into the party right here. Let's do that. How do we bring Bubba Wallace and all meal soccer together? How can TA quite lyceum? So it ain't going to say, but I think we can still find him a Sierra like figure the Miami Open I think the Miami Open is supposed to be the precursor to the US Open, or like right after and I don't know if the US. Open's really gonNA even be happening. Now. Let me think I'm trying to think who who else how else we can. Make this happen for Bubba Wall. It's like I don't know too much like who the people are in his age range these days. That's like really the ones for him to come hall but Y'all think Y'all think of some some some some nice young ladies do land. I really think that I can't tell. which which what happened, but I feel like that'd be great for hill did it could be outside PSA changes life? Yes, have about their hanging out with salons, allies talkative revolution stuff to him you. Going to be in the bread and black in green forty three car, it could happen. It could happen. Why because we love you, Bubba whether they treat bad or not. Now you got me check this double checking to make sure that he is indeed single out above Wallace's girlfriend makes statement after a news. Get Russell Wilson was once married. Just saying I think it's a white lady to I am not surprised. Just saying Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah! Yeah, no, no, no, no surprise. There nose bras, there I i. absolutely one hundred percent might have seen that Covid, and that is why I'm saying. Let's get them one of them. City girls. They changed. His life totally changes life city girl Gopi here. BUBBA METALLICA tried that lightning. You know what I'm saying. You know bubble wireless. Here. Talk about Oh. Yeah. I liked that all my neck my back changes. My God did see comedy. That was fantastic. But it has to be like some type of Sierra type figure that's GonNa like open his mind yet, and also to has like maybe a little bit more notoriety than he to get him into the type of parties. We need to get both listening. Gear Up. You See Russel Wilson. Jackson all ZIP stuff like De. The other part gave you ever seen the video for Sierra Song. Call Reid who. I'm sure I have, but I have not a very long time. All I'm saying is either. She Changed Russell Wilson's life. Period. You're man. Dak Prescott. SIDAT franchise tend to gay thirty one million dollars. He went ahead and signed it. I saw something on profootballtalk with Florio was like. Yeah, well, he probably did it. 'cause you know. Maybe they were afraid to. Cowboys Might Yank the franchise tag back a similar to what the Panthers Deal Josh Norman a few years ago I don't think the cowboys were ultimately going to do that. However I can relate to Dak deciding decide that franchise tender if he so decided, and reason is very simple. I don't know how many of you of headed. Conduct any business their pandemic. I have had to conduct business during the pandemic. Let me tell you what happens when you conduct business during the pandemic. Conducting business during the pandemic. EMESA take the money that's available. Right there right there. It make your real nervous. Ain't no telling if his money now it don't mean is going to be money later. Not Everybody is ready for that sort of thing to come arousal in the midst of the pandemic that Joe, where is the pins? Somebody off you thirty million dollars in the middle of pandemic damage. You better take right like Raphael Dak wars right into their, please. Go ahead and side now this to me, though like what quarterback is a little different than the position players because the thing about the quarterback is, nobody can hit them whenever they actually get back, so none of us believe the press guy was going to miss any gains behind this, and if they don't sign a contract by to life fifteenth, then they can't sign one anyway, so there's no realistic about in place for him to hold out, so we might as well go ahead inside the tender because whenever he comes in. Nobody's really going to do anything for. I Just feel like in the last few months. Ain't nothing GonNa away. Deck thought it was going to write like debt going for his money to get his money I. Don't blame him for trying to get his money, but I think at least at this moment is learning a difficult lesson and I've been down this road before to DAX product thinking. They got to pay me. Right this I did that. They got to pay ninety, don't they? Don't they don't? They don't got to do nothing actually they don't. They don't got to pay you. That's that's not how it works. They got pay and so he's been engaged in his fight over this money fighting fighting fighting fighting for you over Jiri in twenty seventeen, when Jerry was on his thing about the anthem right, he did that just a couple of weeks ago Dak decided he wanted to do something because it occur at. Fool gave a million dollars to the. Police and maybe that's why he signed a franchise tend to so fast, and I got that much money is their franchise to man. I gotta go over the police one million dollars I. DON'T WANNA, sort trying to get it. Right, and so we got that, so that gave the police a million dollars the day before Patrick. Behold Shawn Watson where of straight from the underground young guy too bad 'cause a brown like Dax played that. That went away this, wasn't it? At all now he's trying to get his money, but he's in the middle of a pandemic bad timing. Not where you want to do it not where you wanted to go no sorry Bob all of these things. where he says it now. He's coming in for a season. That might not happen at. He's got his franchise tag. You know what gay maybe we need to find him. A Sierra what you think she could change his life. Yeah, I'll say that much I'd say it is a Sierra. He will be given a million dollars to. The police actually thought about this. That we talked about BUBBA. Wallace maybe changed his life. Everything like this. You know what I find to be funny. Every time somebody wants to talk about this interracial affection right everybody coming together using the the drew brees dat picture. You know what I'm saying and. Wallace got the black lives matter car with the interlock and it's racial debt. He's got to go. How come at eight number a picture of a black man in a white woman holding hands? How come y'all ain't never got that. You know what I'm saying. How come back KPI picture and that's all I'm saying? How come that came out picture of unity? Imagined at. A widow couple racist himself the next thing you, he come out with a picture of him and his girlfriend over front caught I think Dago. Go given his girlfriend. There's an echo of the bachelor compensation that. Week whether or not these NASCAR drivers will be able to handle that everything will go out the window. Everything would go out the window. Look a Badger bubble while arrays. He all the podium, right? They shoot share paid off it everything else he do it. He got his queen up there. Would you call your Queen Right? He guys queen up there, and what if he show that he? What true love really is right because? Let me tell you what true love do. And y'all notice the real. True Love. Grab Uti in public. Like true love and you had to movies and waiting in line to get your tickets back when we did. Those things are true love. Grab boot in front of people and she don't care because it's you is all good. That's true. Love is down right I think I remember that I have I had like real girlfriend or whatever we in somewhere and I tried to lie sneaker. Grab a booty, well you. Know we right here, right? That's what you love do what above Wallace before was in true love all stage afterward, it's NASCAR. Power Dako. Davos. Go see that's best party. People saying I turn everything into some about race is not that I. Turn everything into some about race. Is that I'm better at talking about this stuff because I'm the only one that's not a fray talking about standing on stage at a Nascar race with your nordic, queen grabbing her booty. And why can't you grab her boot? What's so salacious about this idea? What's so controversial about what it is that I M propose? Nothing at all when I talk about Russell Wilson and he ain't no longer kicking it with his ex wife down with Sierra. Everybody else talking about us, he would you talking about I wanNA say some bub-bubba wireless grabbed his queens boating right now. Eight. Oh, do I. Don't want to do now. Dodo by what to say. I'm just telling you go out away. Maybe go outweigh with it and you'd see that company here. We are at love that you will to do. Dak Prescott is a topic purely, so you can make your weight of a grabbed the bag in the pandemic which is. Probably Forty five seconds. That's all I had. Looked Mehta's coming up with other. Topics. Well we still got a lot going on with colleges. The college athletes first of all gay. Do you think is GonNa? Be Account football season. Because I don't think it's going to be no college football season I don't think so. I mean when you see. All these reports of different schools have different numbers of players pretty high I'd say yes, as like a ratio per team tested positive Yo. Yo because college students can't be trusted. They're irresponsible. Think about this, you man. Novak Djokovic, which had his little tournament Hebrew minded. Yoga has been talking about came made me take no vaccine if I don't want to all this stuff or whatever, and so they put together a little tournament, and a bunch of guys will play in the tournament, apparently went out to a nightclub and like five of. Of them caught it including job like a budget dues without out there and cardio now the idea that in these times dudes were going to a nightclub is really really stupid. I think there's no way around it like the fact that they put themselves in. That position is stupid. I'm not blaming them. Per Se for catching it but I'm saying that they took unnecessary risks and those are adults. Adults like those are real. Live grownups real money on the line and they did that and we're supposed to trust these college students to behave themselves, and and do what it is that they are supposed to do now, so they're turning up in droves with this, and in some cases like I think it was Clemson. Clemson got twenty seven players that have it, but they showed up without it. You know what I mean like like. This whole thing just feels terribly unwieldy at impossible and. It feels like the colleges are basically saying. Look somebody's GonNa have to die in order to make this happen, right or or Mega Stop I. Don't understand what I say, and I don't know dies the way to put it, but this doesn't feel safe. It doesn't and the most disturbing thing about it to me. Is the idea that so many of these guys showed up voluntary workouts now I imagine that some of them just want to get added a Momma's house. Aware it is, they've been miss their friends and everything else, but I am against stunned that there are so many people who are going I heard not once not mobile like my baby is not showing up here we. We saw trevor. Rees it just said that he's not going to go to the NBA bubble because he's going to stay and take care of his son in the course of this time, so these people that are walking away from millions of dollars. They're GONNA recess cases. Go cost them. I want to say something like seven figures to not do this right and none of these college players are doing that and that I think. Think speaks to the power dynamic is they worried about losing their jobs losing a place on the depth chart and everything else? They worried about how to do the coaches and everything else, and so they're all showing up, and now these guys catching it and I can't imagine how terrified it is for those people who do be surrounded by people who were catching it do did you see that players that Ohio State or asked to? To sign a waiver Yup, but this is a big story across the college landscape like people really jumped off on a house state about this, but the big thing that colleges have been trying to figure out in this is what is the liability that they're going to incur like it is possible that like a covert situation could bankrupt, not just a big school small school, but a big school like this thing could be huge. Waivers and stuff like that. That are going to come around here because this is wildly unsafe. Right like everybody's taking a risk because they feel like they have to take a risk to get the money, but the risk is at the expense of the players, so let's fast forward to what's going on at Ucla. Where apparently the players to say, we want an independent doctor in place. For All of this that's going on because they don't trust the athletic department and their doctors. It has been put particularly on chip Kelly now the part of this that I think is unfair to chip Kelly. Is I think every player at every school should be requesting this? Every single one right by every player is in the same situation as the kids are in a UCLA and. And they feel like they've been rushed. You know they feel like with away. Other injuries and things have been handled they. Maybe they've been rushed back and stuff like that and all of this is kind of interesting to me because chip Kelly. The guy is supposed to be i. get the forefront of sports science. They spend a ton of money on that stuff I forgot Ucla alone. Bad to get them to show, didn't it? I have forgotten here that eighty, but that's supposed to be chip Kelly staying, so it was surprising to me to hear that, and now we're starting to hear the other whispers about chip. They're really tied back to what we were here in like twenty, fourteen, twenty fifteen about the way the chip relates to black players, and what I've always said as their relationship is. I don't get too caught up in who is or isn't race's right, but I will know that chip. Kelly wants to add Carlos come to his Football Jersey. Right. That's not typically the behavior of the quote Unquote Racist. I believe I thought the Harry Edwards about this area where it's seem to be okay with chip on these matters, but what? I was told from people I talked to while that was going on then. Is that what chip can't handle is if you got like a little bit of street in? Right like it's something comes up. That makes them think about your black. It gets a little weird for and I can believe that spent forty something. Years of his life is up there in New Hampshire like he had not had any real exposure to black people. I don't think until he started as office coordinator, Oregon in two thousand and seven. You know that's not that's not. It's a lot for him like coach in Major. College football is actually not in liable what his life's work has been. This is just where the money is. Where the challenges for him and hill the way he coaches. It'd be back in New Hampshire Pretty Damn soon as is, you don't seem to be so good at this stuff anymore, but that's where he is with these players, and that's the latest. The players being like Oh man. We got demands. We got things we nick flex in it and we heard anything back from what's going on at Texas. We talking about that? At a boys, Texas went out. Out there and say look. We don't want you to to Texas anymore. SAWS, races, and by the way that thing where people like Oh. My God really the eyes of Texas little. Do you know to black students? Texas Mattel on each other for decades. Don't ever get causing an essay by the way just so you know, so. We had that at Texas. We saw what happened with Shubra Hubbard at Oklahoma. State, and those other guys and I'm not exactly sure what's going on there. We saw what happened for like five minutes at our before they got them boys to call now after all was said and done. And now we got a young man in Mississippi. State I believe his name is how to pronounce this Keelan or Kyle, and I really don't know K. Y. L. I in he'll and tweeted the governor of Mississippi and said that either change the flag or I will be representing the state anymore i. mean that I'm tire, yeah! A lot of these dudes for whatever reason have simply had enough? And maybe they're empowered about a protest, maybe they are. Empowered Kobe, nineteen, but that's his creating a different level, tinted anxiety for a lot of people. They're not going forward and I think that a lot of ways schools are still going to be able to like. Get together. It'd be like Oh. Let's have a talk. Right and they go have a talk, and then we call a bunch of stuff down. Everybody's like. Oh, my bad. You know so forth and so on and all of those things, but I am really struck by how many? Players in this day in time had the courage to stand up to these coaches who had been bullying them for decades. and. I don't even get the feeling like with this Dude Hill and Mississippi state. He's a good player. But this doesn't feel like entitlement or diva, type, behavior, impulsive, stuff or anything else. He's just like you know I'm not going to do this. supplus that I am not going to do this and those are the people in this I. Really do applaud and a lot ways. We just make these individual decisions like the WNBA I don't do enough to talk about the work that those women in that league do in terms of social stuff, but what I love about my more is waking up. It'd be like Hey. I ain't playing this year I got something better to. Dedicate myself to that people just. Can't do this right now. So that we talked about Kyri Dwight Howard where they're like I think a lot is going on outside. I'll do whatever the large group does, but I think that that that now man. If you bought it, you go, make this happen yourself right and people that are willing to stand alone like I was talking in a group text with a couple of people. and. We were talking about Kareen, Abdul, Jabbar, and how Korea doesn't get enough credit cream boycotted the a sixty eight Olympics all by himself. He himself was like now I'm not gonNA go. Now don't feel right. I'm not doing it by himself. Like that takes heart that takes a whole `nother level of your situation to make these decisions all by yourself that you're not going to do it. And we're starting to see those people, Papa and those are the ones who ultimately inspire those are the ones who make people look at themselves. It'd be like okay. Why can't I do this? And that's how you get it more likely that you get a group of people in the room because it's more of these individual things that energy is contagious. People just look. Look around, but like know why we gotta do this. Like the Mississippi thing with the flag is interesting because this is what I think happening with it I thought it least. The governor of Mississippi seems to be given a different impression, but my thing was to Mississippi is there wasn't really a push for taking that flag down I'd seen discussion, but I had. Had really seen a push and the next thing I know the southeastern conference says we're not going to give you guys championship. Even though they had to give them a championship god-knows-how-long in the state of Mississippi, and so they said we're not gonNA hold championships there, and then we gonNA statement from President Mississippi State I think we've got a statement from the. The president of Ole Miss, and then the governor says over the last several years I repeatedly warm. My Fellow Mississippi any attempt to change the current Mississippi flag by a few politicians. The capital will be met with much content if the leadership of two thousand one had not put it on the ballot. Then compensation compensation may be different, but they did and therefore. Therefore we must work together to find a solution where it went. Everyone has their say. We could come together as a family and prosper. We must work together to find a solution. Once all said and done unites as people proud of our future I've been thinking and praying hard about the best way to accomplish that over the weekend. There has been proposal floating. Floating among some of the legislature to create a second Mississippi flag, let's call it the separate, but equal option well intentioned. I'm sure it does not meet the threshold. Any similar plan would accomplish the exact opposite of our stated goal. It would actually divide our state more I don't believe it was satisfied. Either side of this debate and I don't think it is. Is a viable alternative. Now had no idea that people were actually talking about trying to come up with a second flag like schools have second problems. Right I had no clue that that is what people were talking about. However, the governor gets. This is a bad look, right? The governor understands that this is probably something that they cannot stay. The governor also understands. Understands that he is in such a fiercely segregated state, and I need explain this to you to understand the level segregated in Mississippi and a stance more Mississippi and other southern states, but it still stands out in southern states less. Do you realize how segregated is holding has to be if that state is thirty six percent black in every state wide offices Republican. People vote over ninety percent. Democrat right thirty six percent of the state is black ninety percent of that thirty six. Is Voting for Democrats and the Democrats can't win no thin. The races aren't even close. Best because all the white people voting for Republicans in a way that is not case in the rest of the country. They all along. That's the level of divide that they've got there. And so I think the governor knows this flag has to go, but also knows that if you leaders to a popular vote, why folks do it right the need to demonstrate to black people that white people are in charge of Mississippi has been going on basically prior to reconstruction, but especially since reconstruction, because there were so many black people Mississippi majority black for so long the only way white people can maintain control was through these means. That was the only way they could do through terrorism through all of these days, because otherwise, it was just too many black people that they. They played it fair and Square Mississippi would have had black leadership for over a century, if they played a fair and square South Carolina would have blacks leadership for over a century you get where I'm coming from here right? And so why people have always enlist zipping galvanized both for Whiteness, because that was the only way the whiteness could maintain power in that state, so this confederate implements in the quarter of their flag is a sign of that power, right risk the twenty first century when they decided to keep it okay, so that's a sign of that power. That governor knows that. If they put that on the ballot, it'll never come now. They know that, but I think all the tricks ole miss had to go through to finally get the confederate flag out of the stadium and the way they finally got it done was not by banning the flag, but by saying you couldn't bring the flag if it was on a stick because the stick was a safety hazard. That's how they got it done. That was how they were able to it. Happen was by banning the sticks. Because in folks, soul dedicated over there to give this impression of white people being in charge all right, that's where we are. So I think the governor. Is. Looking at schools in the SEC look man. I can't do this myself. And, I can't get this passed on no ballot, but if y'all starts squeezing us right now, start acting like this is going to mess up the football. The may be I got a chance over here to get this done, but I need you to do this. Because I can't. And they can't. Because if it looks like you're bowing down the black people. The White! House form Voltron and shut you down. But if it looks like the SEC wants this. Now people might start to listen. That's what I think is going on there. I could be wrong I think that's a reasonable hypothesis for what is happening there and so I look at that young man. He's like well I ain't. GonNa come I'm almost like ooh. They man. You Might Kinda Sorta be messing up the program not that you shouldn't stand what you believe, right? But they'll do it if a white man say to do it if a southern white say to do it. They got a chance. Black people tell them to last hundred fifty years indicate that will make them fight. You can't be on top of all the news and information of the day. No need for the social media feeds. We got you now. If you haven't heard all right. Bomani this first story in public safety. Hi, this is Jeffrey Derek I'm an editor at slate magazine. I live in Boston. Where everybody in my neighborhood is convinced that there are way more backyard fireworks being shot off than usual this year. I decided to look into this piece and what I discovered is that there has been a big spike in fireworks, complaints in Boston New, York, and a number of other cities across the country. In Boston, for example, there was a twenty three hundred percent year-over-year increase in complaints for the month of May. Now this time of the year in the lead up to July fourth that there are generally more fireworks being shot off, and does more people complaining about them. And over the last two decades there's been a successful nationwide effort to liberalize state fireworks laws with the result. That Americans are generally consuming a lot more fireworks than they used to. So those factors could make it a little tricky to parse out how. How extraordinary twenty twenty years in terms of fireworks use. Maybe it's just more people complaining, but then I spoke to the fireworks industry I learned that there has been a significant nationwide increase in consumer fireworks sales this year especially in the weeks since I wrote my piece, there are a lot of theories floating around the Internet and social media about what could lie behind that increase. The first is what I'll call the boredom hypothesis, the fireworks industry and government authorities both agree that the pandemic is a big part of this. This story, there are more people sitting around at home with nowhere to go. Other entertainment options closed. So why not explode some stuff? There's also a supply and demand theory. The display side of fireworks industry. This is the companies that put on the professional shows has been devastated by the widespread shutdown of events. Some of those companies also operate consumer, side, businesses or retail locations. The law prohibits retailers from selling pro grade stuff to the public, but there may be some opportunities to reallocate inventory or staff resources to where the. The demand is that could result in more firework sales to the public. Alas, theory is that the consumer fireworks new marketing strategies because of the pandemic for example, most firework sales happen in the days leading up to July fourth, resulting in long lines at stores one retailer. I spoke to worried that they wouldn't be able to accommodate as many last minute shoppers this year because they are limiting how many people can be in their stores at once so they're doing more early bird discounts and promotions to try to. To get people buying sooner and most of the major retailers have now started offering online shopping and curbside pickup online sales were a practice, and it was almost nonexistent before the pandemic in this industry, these practices could be helping the fireworks. Companies reach new customers. I live in New York City. Where people I've seen people be out here like a you know maybe not more fireworks. No, it's all the time fireworks all over the place and it's not like it's not like people just industries shooting off firecrackers you know like. Like you looking up the like I hadn't really paid that much attention to it, but on June eighteenth I was looking at it, and I was like Oh wow I'm a little surprised that the Bronx is going up for June eighteenth like this right? This is a different group of people with think, and then you start seeing it and is not again. It's not just like boom boom boom, going off its big displays like you see him up in the air like it would be really cool if it wasn't. Wasn't happening every single night and has led to some people to raise the question as to whether or not, this is something to be perpetrated by the government of some sort to get people used to all the noise and everything else. I don't know if that's true, but I would say what I noticed last night, a blot not too far from my house that I could see from roof I can look, and I could see like the pretty fireworks, and then I saw one block and it looked like a bunch. Bunch of Flash BANGS. Right Asia's boo. Boo! BOO, BOO! Boo and I saw like light coming, but it wasn't fireworks. There was no pageantry to it or anything like that so I. Don't know what exactly is going on, but it's hard for a lot of us to believe that in this time we're ain't. Nobody really got no money putting bread on fireworks right now. No matter how cheap they happen to be, they're asking for a lot of people and I'm very curious. How long exactly this is going to go! On the roof last night, stepping himself of your hair reveal. Is that what you're doing? I was on the roof in the afternoon, taking pictures of my hair reveal and at night I was just looking at the city. Thank you. Can I enjoy the skyline That's what I was doing. was. People love this. The second custom entertainment hi. This is Kim Lyons with the verge so movie theater chain AMC, which is the biggest movie theater chain in the world is getting ready to reopen theaters across the country next month at first the company. CEO said she wasn't going to require customers to wear masks at instigators, because it didn't want to be drawn into a political controversy while that decision was met with almost immediate pushback, and AMC has now reversed its policy and says it will require masks for all customers at its theaters. Several other movie theater chains have followed suit and also require masks. There are several big movie set to debut next month including the new Milan including. Including Christopher Nolan's tenant. So there's a lot of anticipation. A lot of bugs and movie theaters have been closed since March so they're pretty desperate for some revenue. If you're planning to go to the movies when theatres reopened, make sure you have a mask. If you don't bring one most cities will provide one for you. AMC has mentioned that it's revenue is in such tough shape that if it's unable to reopen theaters next month, it may not bode well for its future. Dude is easy. Right the idea he's like. I don't want to be drawn into something political. Do you want to be drawn into headlines of all the people catching it at your movie theaters? Like seriously. Are you kidding me like open in the movie? Theaters at all doesn't seem like a very good idea. I don't want to get caught in anything political. You just did it right in there, right? No, no! Put your mask on something and I need to verify this, but I thought I. Hear Anyway I saw something they said to barber's had caught it advocate. What city was able to to Barbara's? who had caught him between the two of them, they had one hundred and forty clients. The Barber's wore masks. The clients did not. Of those one hundred forty clients, none of them. None of them. Mike. The mask is such an effective thing. Why is it so hard for Y'all to just put a mask on? Don't see what is so difficult about this for you. Just put something over your face. We could get so far in this part of what's happened here. All look all these leagues and everything else just trying to come back right now. They had been told basically that if everybody deal with it was supposed to do and. And if we were on track the June July we will be able to start getting back to action. That's what people were told. And now we see people now. That is June or July getting back to action, except for the fact that we ain't been acting right, if y'all just ask right, everything'll take care of itself, but you've got to act right in this fool will not do a little small part to get people to act. Out Over, be caught up in politics all right, buddy, let me tell you what happened to you. This thing all calmed down except ain't nobody wearing no mass and we gonNA. Stop calling at Kobe nineteen. The week are calling. At AMC disease you go be like the new legionaires out here doing this crazy. It's not like they're offering discounted tickets or something like that. This isn't like you're getting compensated like hazard, pay or something for putting yourself at risk I think their dilemma is that the studios have figured out. They can monetize this via homes, and so they're shook and so on one hand I'm like. Put the mask on, so you keep the place. Place Open on the other hand. They're worried about telling people. They have to wear a mask and people staying home, and then never coming back because they realize that they can just watch the movie in the comfort of their home, and also the Jack Asses that'll be like I ain't going nowhere going to make me wear a mask right like maybe they're worried about them so they. Maybe there's like an additional room for this, but in the end put a mask on demand whether that man tell you to or not going to the movies. Isn't that a wonderful experience? anyways? People kicking back yard. See Talking during the movie. You don't like people very budget. I'm skeptical. Less story comes from science. This is Greg, Allen with NPR news. I'm based in Miami. For NPR I've been recently reporting on a plan by the Army Corps of Engineers. They've been developing a plan to protect Miami from storm surge. You know that's the part of a hurricane. The typically causes the most damage in the most loss of life in Nineteen ninety-two, for example, a seventeen foot storm surge in Hurricane Andrew did some five hundred million dollars in damages to an area just south of Miami so this is a huge project. The Army Corp Engineers. Engineers is looking at. It would cost some four point six billion dollars. If it goes forward, it could take a decade or more to complete right now. They're taking public comment on it. The chorus proposing building a series of seawalls along the Miami Waterfront. Some of these walls could be as high as fifteen feet in some places. Maybe cause some issues with how well you can see the water. The plan calls for pumps and storm surge gates placed on waterways, including the Miami River, which is a working river here in Miami, the core has. Has Similar plans in the works for other places along the southeastern coast Norfolk Charleston or two cities where they have plans like that going forward one major questions surrounding the project here in Miami though is sea level rise with Climate Change Florida expects to see as much as a foot and a half and sea level rise over the next sixty years. This plan takes that into account, but doesn't do anything really to address the long term flooding issues that this region may see in coming years. It could also have a big environmental impact on Biscayne. Biscayne Bay a sensitive area. That's where coral reefs are now already being stressed a lot by the traffic from marine traffic, and and other things going on in the bay, so at this point, the plan is welcomed by local officials as something that could potentially help the city avoid billions of dollars in damages from a direct hit from something like Hurricane Katrina but as I say it's a long process, a much larger project protect New York City from storm surge was put on hold earlier this year after President Trump tweeted his opposition to it. When I first mood Miami I, read story, and the story said that basically Miami hit one hundred years left. An years left because he's always bracing for the storm. That's going to shut the whole thing now I feel like looking around at everything that's happened. They did the world I mean. It Ain't gonNA happen, nowaday, go, out. Into the world now you gotTA. Start preparing in a way that you did not before. Is that also not part of what makes it enticing to live in Miami now is that it may not be there in the future. Not that's not that that that was not a draw. I will say that that was that was the appeal, but not, but the other thing we're Miami is have to do a significant amount of drainage just for it to be liveable as it is like Miami is totally synthetic everything about it. Is that right? But that's the big thing. They put a lot of water out. Stop for being swapped into. Make it into effectively. Would it is but no, no, no, no, no, we are definitely running a game on mother. Nature. The whole existence of Miami is running a game. The day four I went to Miami for the first time. I had no idea that Miami beach was basically like constructed out there on some Sanjay. Underwater if not been intervention just gets that really like this. That's the best way to put it. It's not really like this like I. think the beaches thing I think it's full synthetic beach he. We're going to be so mad when they started building up. Big concrete blocks to kind of protect them from future storm surge in his blocking their view. Lake Greg said my God people are heated, yes. So that other verge from two thousand sixteen so Miami beach is sand. That's the Subhan Miami. Each has run out of sand now. What the beach is every bit as artificial as the towers at Turquoise pools for years, the has been eating away at the shore. The city has been may as a dollars pumping sand from the sea floor. Replace it only to have it. Wash away again every half Santa. MIAMI, beach was placed there by my Gosh. Kerr. Hey this is Bomani. You've reached the. voicemail whatever you want, get creative with it, but this is your place to talk back to show back. These are the money so. From the social segment this week for opening up voicemail line, the people there was a big party that was supposed to happen a big rally that was supposed to happen this best week. Let's just say the attendance wasn't quite what people thought it would be. Is that a fair characterization? Well? Yeah, yeah, I still contend just to be clear here. I don't care how many people they thought. Wisconsin they say got tickets. Whatever was tells ain't close to know where how how how? How was a million people a million people? Go get a to Tulsa from where where would they go fly into? Where were they going to drive into? Where were they going to sleep? All of these things only fall for that if you just believed it. was talking about brother about this brothers like yeah man to tie kids. They they. They convince trump that all these people coming. I'm like as if trump did not believe already that a million people were coming. People to come in anytime he talks they didn't give fooled people to think of the party, so we thought it would be funny to. Solicit voicemails from a time where you had a party or went to a party when it wasn't as advertised the number of people that were supposed to be there didn't show up any kind of stories tangentially related to that. We had some pretty funny ones. I comes from Robert, Trinidad and Tobago. And a group of fun so having a proxy excess. All these nothing ladies. Will be there. Everybody out of four through real good. Have you on point everything? Good. Oxley. See 'cause I was going to be running. If I have been ten bucks ice when I'm coming now. I told you I'm doing the. Bull. Got Up text message. It got. I'm ten bucks to eat. Fifteen minutes later. It bugs the fresh before I got a text message telling door everybody dogs. Bill when I. I talked. If! It wasn't for the two of the guys, mothers and fathers. Day what up four people. Guy Difficult for three months. Confined. Just used to from. This necessarily to make sure your. The go two months recovered from DC. The Save Four people show up having to put out an order like that. Isn't that always the funniest thing when it's? You're trying to anticipate how big a party it's going to be. This goes for just about any party. This goes for like a wedding when trying to figure out how much food you gotta buy. Party figuring out how much liquor you're going to buy. How much meat for the Grill? Whatever and the overestimating an who gets left holding the bag, the person that's running the Errand? Yup going up ten bags of ice. Is he getting reimbursed for this ten bags of ice? Yeah, somebody got somebody I still got to pay for this stuff. I say this, though I'll tell you something that actually changed my life. It was a moment like these. Are you familiar with a reggae artist named yellow man? I me yellow man, you would know if. Joe would know but gentleman. Man was big and eighties and nineties got his big hit Scott Murderer you killed today? You cannot kill I tomorrow bird era. Anyway I went to go see yellow man. Rally in Raleigh is notoriously for poorly promoting shows right so as me may appear green does beat on this track homeboy, a three of US counting the three of us. Five people showed up to the show at the legged theater, and when I tell you, that man put on a full. He put on for the five of us like there were five thousand people there I will go see yellow man anytime. Somebody tells me they using it molded my approach to life and work at that. It was only five people there. Then you get five people show 'cause I don't know if I would add that in me myself and he's a legitimately legendary figure. Yeah, and he gave us a shout at this next one comes from red in Brooklyn. We were supposed to show up at this party. They been throwing out the friars from all and all those social media. Phantom was going hands that everybody and their mom I'm going to be there, so my NBA players is going to be there, so we wait I did on. My outfit pulled out the right Jill Evans and everything shirt and everything boom. We put lots of Fam- crib in the mill projects. Nine, thirty at night is brick, wind is blowing. Though we get upstairs. We see? homeboy Ram in doing tootsie roll. Another doing the corner had stole hanging off his lip. You had three cousins trying to figure out WHO'S THE DJ? The point in my life. That love the worst. Function, we advertise show. Eight of the worst part about that. Is You always afraid? They're right after you leave is gold star craft. Show Up. Yeah, yeah, you'll be like Oh, man, this is Wack, and then you leave you. Come back the next day. Dog Man! I was looking for you. It was. Using a flyer to advertise. You're selling everybody on a dream. Yes, yes, this is just our guy here like what about all of the women? That went to the party thinking? They were about to see NBA players. You. All, they call him his NBA players, or my favorite is in a little small town like. Our, I was trying to go to Louisville one time I. Didn't make it for the Kentucky Derby because my homeboy lived there and dare you remember dare Galveston. Easily an NBA play to Kentucky and he was apparently demand in Louisville at the time, but boy said you couldn't go anywhere on radio was all dare get is a component with me in my celebrity free. It's celebrity. Friends is always the all purpose that they use. Those DADS is hoping. Somebody winds up showing up in go ahead. Come audience me. Yes, which ends the last thirty minutes to the party? If you do show, yes, yes, that is, that is affirmative. He's been club used to go to. College called Warehouse Warehouses. Anderson because on Friday nights is warehouse, but on Saturday night it was tracks and a Friday night. It was college night. And I think they ladies and free for certain part and on Saturday night they ladies and free all night and not lose a dime. If you understand where I'm coming from here, it is a different clientele all Saturday night. Then it was on Friday night, but warehouse you stay lined us about who was going to be performed. Only go up candidates and missy. Missy Elliott at spot tonight and I remember once we win like it was like yawning able. Let's go and we asked the do work there. It was cannabis. He's laugh in our faces a walkway especially when it's made up the creativity behind that to think okay, who's GonNa Bring the biggest draw when it's clearly fake guests are at this last one comes from act in Texas. homeboy sweet one it's DOA party. Which is last night and let me tell you only pay. Sweet is. Life Scans had to be taken off in the club. Be Thinking Chris Brown. So. He wants to promote part he's. Me and my other home is like okay. We're GONNA get a sexy. Get the bottom the whole nine yards. We like. Okay? They fall through. But already by my presale tickets I was looking for. Other homes are going to go through. So exit, people are going. So I hit up XS eighteen. You're going to tweet parties they like. So. We wrote a sweet party. We get there like. It started at nine. But when you sell black people are starting to certain time. You gotta add extra hours. To search. So, we get that eleven. They. Got The red carpet opinion I'm like okay. It's going be on here. We get inside. There's ten people inside. I'm like what is going on, but I ain't really tripping. It's eleven o'clock. We go outside they what they do. We get back inside. It's like eleven thirty limb forty. Still no one's in there still ten eleven people I'm like. What is what is going on I? Look at J.P P. I. Give them that look like I, really ready to go, but if you go, I'll go 'cause I when I spend money. If it's twenty, the you GonNa see me the whole night. I just giving you free money. So Eleven thirty eleven forty is twelve thirty. Sweet Light. We got some free. Grandma's you so okay. Cool! You get to drink one o'clock. It was fifteen people. He promoted to stay for two weeks. Then Promo Video. And fifteen people showed up. At each other. So I got home at two, o'clock woke up at five. So up the planet fitness at six am for my sister. That's Monday morning. I gotta say when he was like. Let me describe sweet for you. I was like you didn't tell me anything after you said you from Funky town. Texas I'm actually just glad that worked out the way that he did not a hail gunfire a demo video the video free sale tickets I thought the best line of it was. If I'm paying twenty bucks, get in the door you're going to have to. Be There all night right? Never by the idea of sunk cause right never by the idea to navigate that twenty back dot. He say he will beat here. All I long I respect the dedication I truly do. But Hey Ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. 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Also, you could check out his two books, not one, but two golden, which is a book on Steph curry, and I just bought this one on my kindle myself. K D, Kevin Durant pursuit to be the greatest. His name is Marcus Thompson. And Margaret lets people know where you went to college. Clark Atlanta university. Maybe we will find a way or make one. That's right. That is what we do. So like you cover the warriors our things. Things are surprisingly excitable even though they're like half bit. Still got a little bit of oppose the bay kinda lit right now. It's almost like a you know that one last party before they shut the club down there. This was was going out yesterday. I was like it's kinda high for the day, everybody all the stores. It's kinda pack the barbershops crowded them. All right. So you yeah, it's like one last party for they shut the club down except at about twelve thirty somebody shut that thing up and the headline of carried out on a gurney. Not a garden. He just a stretch it already. I feel like it's he did one just stretcher. We'll see if somebody's going to pick up the mic and rocket. Thanks, neil. Actually, it'd be bail. It's time for Steph curry grab the mic. I but this is the most I can't think of a situation quite like this one with the Kevin Durant injury. Because you tell me if I'm wrong here, but literally, everyone involved their reputation is on the line here. On. No question. I mean have we even seen that before, like a player step into the finals like, Kevin Durant? Stature just walk in a game five like that, that was crazy alone. But then the leave twelve minutes later is nuts. And it's really created, like this, this weird kind of backdrop for people to either be heroes or goats. Right. If I mean it's gonna be crazy like stuff very often changes to their. You know, as changes, everything if it's Klay Thompson business if Jerry mind, green wedges, you and I do that if if you take away the three one leave blow, and they did it two hundred sixteen. If you just kinda like if they if they get a makeup great for that. The summer school to fix glass, you imagine them news after that, man. Like it's a whole lot rely it's crazy too, because like they've put so much into this, that sometimes you felt like they might be okay with it end in this way. Right. Not like we wanna lose. But the realization that and then all this stuff is at some point. Right. And you can I remember Miami, kind of had that feel like all right? I mean well, this is how it is like you. Gotta look at each other and be like, all right. Here's how it is run. But the Kevin Durant injury has tiny given a new life in that way, where they're like, nah. It's going really have to end. Yeah. Yeah. But like let's with the injury itself, though, in just what his surrounded the team around the injury. And we got these reports that there were whispers about guys wondering why was that other guys who playing through these injuries? And Kevin Durant was not back where his teammates among those who were looking at him. Like, why aren't you playing? I think, yeah, I think they were I think they were looking. At him like what was going on the part of it was I mean like it starts with just for communication, like there were people who just didn't know what was happening. And some of that is, I think the words and trying to be coy about it like, maybe maybe for the raptors team, they probably should live in hindsight's it, man. I do out he ain't coming back, and then let him pull a surprise come back, but I just felt like every step of the way I remember in Houston. They won. They were like yeah. We're gonna win this thing for K D. Right. We don't keep going for Katie gets a Portland. You know, they, they went in businessma sleep, this thing, give Katie more time, right? Like there was a kind of a vibe at the day, d and then they didn't know like so when does he coming back I just came to be like that. And, you know, a lot of a lot of camps and stuff, there's a lot of people talking about it. A lot of wondering you just didn't know people just didn't know fully what. Was going on. I think that's what it was like he was just it would have been better. If the certainty was there, but the uncertainty made it feel like we're so what's happening. And are we ever going to get them back? Or do we need to do? We need to keep going without this cause, remember they were down three one and it was looking bleak. And it was like, are we getting, you know, this big boost or not? So you can kind of feel that sense after the game after game four but I think it was more communication than anything. I really believe that they just didn't know for sure. What was happening? But what's this happens? Right. And once people have any better idea of what's going on. I mean, and of course, we disowned just hit the ground. What was your re what, what was your take from the vibe from players and even management after the gang? Ios crazy, man. They were like really sad. I mean it's crazy party. We've seen these kind of these these injuries. Right. I'll watch this very crying on the court when he blew out his knee, Houston, like DeMarcus cousins and just move out of squat. Right. Looney had a broken bone or it's just and they all it was always like, oh, man, that's messed up. Like we gotta keep going. Somehow. We Katie was like, legit sadness, like people were released shaken by it and probably because he did so much in back, probably because they know what they say for them, you know, because that dude, it's like he's just been under the gun all year long. It was a lot of factors like just to watch this kind of choke up. I didn't even see Bob Myers live. Right. But when I saw the video was, like, man. I was like I was like a full on cry right there. But then that was just a real after the game, it was real. They were that sad about it, and I hadn't seen that before in those circles says almost like something like I mean I mean really bad injury. But I felt like it was somewhere for like Paul George type injury five, but even that they would probably more scared than they were sad. I just people just they just feel really bad for Katie. I think. I mean so do they like him now? You know what to be honest? I actually think they always liked them. I think they've all you don't do that for people. You don't like right? Like they're not feeling that way for people. They don't like I think the thing with these has always been. They just want him. Right. They wanted to be all in. I think bus like even go back to remember very much thing is not like, hey, we don't want you hear the question was, you know, you know, let us enough to commit the five years. Right. Like that's really what boils down to I, I do think they've always liked it. They, they, it's either. They've always been like high school boys. Right. Always laughing about something always yesterday inside of like they're like they like him. I think there's maybe maybe maybe the uncertainty of what he's gonna do, like, maybe some people took that as a slight. I just never heard of say they don't like him. They. They always liked to. I think the problem is they just wanted him to be in like fully hand and I think Kevin Durant was always like look bad. You watch my work ethic. I'm gonna show you how man but I'm a free agent for a reason. Right. Like I earned this top dog status to be able to pick my spot. So I'm gonna I'm gonna use it. I don't I don't think they ever not like no. Because I think the thing that has gotten me about this is I wouldn't dare question whether or not, they do could play or whether he could play, right? Like if he's not playing the only assumption would be that he could not play. I've seen anything to indicate the he was the do that. You would have those questions about. But it seemed pretty clear that questions abounded never made since the whole idea that like he would possibly be able to play. But would like if you know anything about the d I mean, that new is Hooper like that's that'd be he plays who like he's like laying since you don't way. That's his Saint that he he's not missing basketball. It's not missing finals games through. I just think I don't think it was like more. I don't think it was a wise this do not playing. He could play. I think it was a so armee getting them back or not. And I think some of it was a frustration of being down three one of not really having no answers of having a play dues them end of the bench, you otherwise about being ever play and just not really knowing if he's coming back or not, like it like their reports. He's coming back game three coming back game for combat game five. I think they were basically expecting the cavalry to come and wondering when it was coming. So if I mean, like if you ask them to a man, like do, do you think of it director play and was not all of them will say, no, I think a lot of it has to do with so is one more game. Or is it not like just do what is going on? That was part of the desperation. They were in, like the raptors had them three one. They. Butts in oracle. And Kevin Durant was the last hope so they, they were just walking around in the in the wilderness, waiting on the side waiting on manner from heaven, and it was like, yeah. Where this mad? We all agree. So how you enjoy this game a hot potato with Bob Myers in the game of hot potato Steve Kerr's into game of hot potato and they'd is trying to get that blame off on somebody else's hands. I thought it landed in the media's had, he's the one remember saying medium, they were saying you, they was putting view, eh, specifically, you would go Covey put it on the rest of the media partner. They talked about the athletic. Yeah. They, they definitely talking about us. I think I think Sam Amy got a little bit. I think the rest of them gonna Lou beacon other people got a little bit. I know I know mine wrote nothing. So. They want to say, but I'll say it away from all that stuff because I just don't like when you don't know you, you gotta be qui- but it is it's the game a hot potato it is. It is interesting watching them kind of pass it off, like leakers say what you want about the media, but we wrote whatever at the end somebody had to tell that do he could play. Right. And it turned out to be wrong. Now, I do believe that Kevin Durant just wanted to play. I do believe that I do. And plus do a grown man. He's been he's been kinda running his ship for a long time now. You know, like on some like, there's no like advisors kind of making the way for him. He's been kinda he's been his own man for a while. So I find it hard to believe that somebody could force Katie to play or make them play against his will whatever I think I do want it to get out there and play he wanted to be there for his teammates, and it didn't work out. Now, somebody has told him not. Nah. I mean, that's you know Bo. You ways martyring us. So I'll let you knew Thurber net. But this idea that in article somebody wrote or to do to go out there risk Kim these crazy. It also paints him as far away. Then people think he is. He is not that we I know he engages the social media, and he likes the bag for. I just don't believe that dude is out here making decisions based on tweets, like is just that. I mean I mean the do is not who he is not how how he's made like he's just not do I just don't buy. I don't buy that Kevin Durant. It's like oh, but show, they'll let me go out there. And I know by getting killed just so I can show them because they're talking. I mean I know he likes to engage. I just don't think that's him. I think he chose to play because he's a grown man who loves plan its final is probably it was killing him the whole time. I'm sure and he decided to black. So they wanna blame me for that. See, I think he wanted to play because basketball players wanna play the thing that gets me out here. Live her is the warriors making this argument that they were told that this injury could not get worse. Chris Carter was on FOX couple of days ago and was like look he's not gonna play again. I mean he said this when it happened like, he's not gonna play again because he's gonna come out there and pop is achilles from the description of what the injury was it absolutely could have gotten worse. Like, like just, you know, I'm not a doctor necessarily, but what they said he had was something that definitely sounded like it was a thing that could wind up getting worse when they say that. And everybody sounds a little shaking Steve Kerr sounds real defensive about it. That's the one where I'm like, I don't know what you guys are over here talking about. I know right? Like first off, is that every even true. Right is only can't get work. Now, I don't know. Maybe I could argue that the completely separate injury, but they only be talking to foods because it's the same name areas. Same affected connection between that Kathy Hughley? So I don't know, Vegas scared away from this one and keep in mind they tell them Kvant lily right now. Like you like you can keep because he can't make his worse. I was wondering what he was thinking about that work like Holo that, what was that y'all said, again, like I just feel like that's a risky thing to say automatically but I mean look. So what were they saying what Kevin Durant needed to hear to play or was this Kevin Durant press in them to play, and they go they say, look, I don't think you can make it where like, we don't know that part, it's definitely suspect, though is definitely doesn't look good for the head athletic trainer that he was told that. But again, I'm. I'm just gonna lean on player agency. I mean if we're gonna say, this dude is, is weak. It can be swayed like that. I don't buy it, but that's what would be saying. I think that's, that's a grown man that walked out on that court. And I lived the words that I had to deal with that part like that they in essence loss, if that new resigns they lost the what forty million dollar talent for year. I like that's a decision. They gotta live with they gotta deal with that, that's definitely something. And, and the fact that by Mars crying, they're, let's you know that hit them, but I was blindsided, they expect that at all. But maybe, right. Or that tells us guilty. You could be UT. I mean he definitely feel guilty. You felt like you just ruined that he's he just heard him. I do feel like they didn't think that what happened and they feel responsible for. And if you don't mind is really kinda like human, he likes that, right? He likes to he likes to feel things. So there's no question. There's giving organization based they feel it. They feel like they've they feel like they've put Kevin Durant in danger, and he hurt himself, I'm just not buying. Oh, Kevin rose. Like let me go out of because they're talking about me. I just I just don't buy that. That's I mean, I'm talking to the news and he's going at going at people, and he's arguing people a lot these to be like, oh, yeah. That was fun on just talking. It's not like you know, Disney governs his life. I just think that, you know, you literally wrote the book on Kevin Durant. So when you say he's his own, man, and he makes his own decisions, I'm inclined to believe you. However. Ever. What about the ball and hit dude? Yeah. I mean, that's his decision is to have climbing as his right, hand guy. Right. I think climbing is involved in that. Nope. No question about it. Climate is involved in, but let me ask you this. Do you think climbing wanted him to play or want? But I'm not sure my question my question would climate because honestly, I think if, if I'm climbing, I don't want them to play. Right. If I'm clubbing, I've, like forget, these guys, we go into New York. Anyway. Oh, did I say that? I love. Yeah. But if I'm planning, and I'm like, forget about these guys, we go to New York. Anyway, where I was curious about it. With climbing though is all the other things that you hear about climate is able to push Kevin Durant into or out of doing in this wasn't the one. I'm thinking that Massa sign of their relationship. Like climate is, is a very strong influence, whichever the right. But like he's told me personally, like, no, that's my man, right? Like that's my guy. Right. It's it was I don't know if there's like a all right? I, I'm just going to listen to what you say because I believe he's I think they're back and forth worth. I think they talk about the stuff. I think he's the I feel close to and he kinda knows how you feel and he's kind of reading and reacting off that, that missing you know, I'm not in their circle, so I don't know. I'm just going off the field that I've been able to gather like you think you think you think rich climate is not as doesn't want him off social media. They're like, hey, yo, right? Like I mean Kevin Durant hasn't shown in many occasions, that like you're gonna do what he's gonna do So now there's rich have some sway absolutely like literally, his friend and business partner like they they're tight. But if I if I had to guess climate didn't wanna play finally, like, nah, we got, we got a bunch of money, sitting waiting for us in in like a month, just to like it's up. But suck it up. And wait it out. And somehow he managed to be on the court. Anyway. So I understand that the, the girl. Oh man. I mean like he went to we went to Virginia to play basketball at Osceola academy when he was like fifteen sixteen like on his own, like everybody you've been driving down. Big like that do been doing this for a long time. Now gave you ready to play that music that people don't like when I'm keeping them out. Keep them out of someone. You keep a secret from okay, gene, just, you know, he's giving people a little back Vargas. Listen to what somebody told me. Thank you for your patience, a Representative from the bright time we'll be with you shortly. Your current whole time is fifteen seconds. Core. I don't know. Y'all while y'all sounds like they have to that's hard. That's ours. Toby this. How likely do you think it is every Suns with the warriors? I feel like that's a tough on the call. The question becomes comes to play with it. Right. Like who's going to join him and say, I know you ought to year but let's do this. And if that's not the case is that impact where he goes, if nobody goes with them? So it's tough man because even though I feel like they kind of messed them up. They might be the best option for right? Like just hey man, y'all gonna pay me the max Iago give me back to health, right? And I know I got dude who wanna play with me, like, like, he's, he's in line either lionize figured out. He is a legend in the bay now like whatever if he didn't get enough credit before he gets it all now. So maybe, maybe this helps that in, I'm not really sure I feel like for him. It's an interesting situation where him resigning with warriors. It'd be like, if LeBron re-signed with Miami in twenty four team, but you had this great run. But this run is not going to be any better than it was before. It's already been as good as it was going to be there is a decline here. But they're also in a situation where it looks like they're going to re up on all the guys that made the run possible in the first place, which is always a bad idea to do in that way because, hey, you look up. And how do you fill out this bench? That being said, nobody wants to be Jerry Krause, right? Nobody wants to be the guy that does it a year too early. Versus a year too late. But I don't see how the warriors can keep this thing going with the four guys. They're gonna have to pay a boatload of money too. I mean look, the overs like the party going, right. And you, you do it first thing where over a ten year span you walk away with five championships. Right. Like, that's, that's the ideal the words are gonna for like not to just be at to win championships every year but to be a contender for twenty years. So if that's the vision, you know, then it becomes a matter of, you know, in a few years, let that cat going up and give you some more flexibility. Right. And how, how long can they go if, if you're the warriors and you spent forty years just trying to make the playoffs? I think I think now they're thinking, like, man. Let's just make sure this doesn't go away, right? This whole playoffs every year plan to make sure this doesn't go away. So I do feel like I do feel like there's some value in bringing everybody back even this Katie doesn't. Leave. He's got stuff clay enjoy my right? And at some point them. I mean, they might not wear championship every year, but those are good enough to be contender to be in the playoff, you know that we definitely back in the pack in, in the top of the league, but they'll be in it every year. That's, that's not nothing out here. I mean I know if you haven't been out here, people people think this is all sweet. It wasn't always like this. You know, a lot of busy. Read wait but is right. So I think people are like, man. Let's just keep this going even if you don't win every year. That's being nobody would be too bad. If the words losses like just do do what can be done to keep them in a hunt every year as opposed to just barely trying to make the playoffs. I will be back into mid more Marcus Thompson, but I want to save money by consolidating your credit card debt and lowering your interest rates refinance with credit card consolidation loan from light street. It's an easy way to save hundreds to thousands of dollars in lower your interest rate. 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Are you telling me they Joe lake doesn't want it to be like it is when they were bad in Oakland, which is to say, Joe, Laker don't won't people. Find up in upper deck of his new building 'cause teammate worth watching. That would be a nightmare, wouldn't it? We'll be into that. Think what the prices the I I've never seen an arena, a team building new Aretha at its mall than the one. They were in like we've never we've never seen that before around that Dutt's. That'd be noted ticket prices going up, just on the seer demand supply and demand bit. But they I mean, they're already making money off this thing. I it's, it's insane. They're getting people to give them a loan interest free loan. It's people are notes about it over here. It's going to be indifferent growl, like you know, that's what tonight is going to be a little bit bittersweet for, you know, real town folks, you know what I'm saying part of our childhood, and our, our one of our Oakland is, it's very bumping into night, but it's, it's a need for the first couple of years going to be pretty wild. But there Cisco is it's already crazy. It's going to be like it's like a luxury everything everything is super fancy super high class. Super high tech like they're really, they're really piggies out nothing place now for people who don't understand can you explain the city and the town to them. You being a native. So the city is, you know, San Francisco, right? Scott scrapers you know, money. Not so much. Never. Right. But the town like that's Oakland. Right. That's like the, the little brother in the sense, like didn't have much, much more community more diverse, not another not, not as much money. We gotta do we gotta different spirit. Like it's, it's kind of a civil war that if you not from here, stuff to understand, I know many people like manages move fifteen minutes while tripping that team is like a world away. So we've, we've kind of had this, Bruin, you know, for all our lives. Right. So it's, it's, it's great divide between the city and the town as it's a lot more social economic than than just that bridge also is the town, still the town. Man in some parts of steel towns. Like a little San Francisco, right? You know, just the case is real, it's crazy to where I live, both matter for a few bucks from where I live is like where my cousin got killed like in a banned drug deal. And now, they're like, now you just might see people walking babies and dogs, you know, says, like four coffee shops over here is crazy. I couldn't come over where I live. I couldn't come over here kid, like it was forbid unit come over here. Let's they lied us though. Right. And now we walk through manicured streets, so no question. A little bit of that tech money has dribble though. Not a little bit. A lot of that money has, but over here, but it's still some parts. Both still, you get the east you like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They get it all yet. You sound like me talk about Harlem people talk about bad hall of his all gone. I'm like, yeah. Maybe off Broadway over there on Broadway. I kind of see what you talk about. You come over to Frederick, Douglass after what you mean. You get to Lennox little less that you'll get the Lexington. It I don't know what you're talking about. Go get driver's license. What twenty seven Lexington? I got off the trade, and I was like, whoa. Somebody please the white people in here. So I feel most safe. That's that's how he does it is that, that that's still east. It's it's bleeding that way, though, you can see we could see it over the years. You see the new restaurants are pumping up with your Ganic stuff in the kale. Like the place Louis get that are starting to expand into eastern. So, you know, some time both Oakland, Oakland, the be all Brooklyn. But it's kind of interesting that the best way to put this, right? So I have always found that Oakland sports teams all of them were remarkably counter cultural at every turn, right? You talk about the seventies and eighties, nineties as those were like counter cultural sorts of teams, the raiders, of course, we're like a counterculture, sorta squad and the warriors. Right. And we think about the war, your squad, even if it's just like playing an unorthodox style of basketball with Don Nelson. And then, like we believe stuff like all of that felt very Oakland. I've always kind of felt like this particular warriors team was like the perfect bridge for them to move to San Francisco, because this felt a little bit more San Francisco than the other teams are incorrect in that. No, there's definitely something there. I mean like Stephen Jackson man back when they were playing like it'd be cloud of weed at the top, or oracle. Right. It was going down. Now, I think, you know, his he sold palatable to so many markets that, like, he, he draws it all, like he, he can, please anybody from the, you know, from the do the nine year old, you know, just start playing hoops to the Silicon Valley billionaire like he he's at all. Which means like all that money, started coming in my mind. It's probably distinct, he's probably like the most Oakland of like the most part of that kind of counter poultry against the grain. Like I got I got this personality that row people the wrong way in Oakland, y'all don't like it, right. He he's got a lot of that. And Steph clay are like on paper really San Francisco, right? Like they're their lead top level. You know, they, they come from, from from will to do families, but man Steph has been like the most ride over his whole year, especially these. The last two years, like this is touching them like this is like movie. I read the game last at the last game five I was like, so you know last game last game or oh man. What's the most Oakland thing I wear I was like man white shirt Blue Jays. Shoes. So. With some socks right? Yes. That's how he's I that you're right. This team is the transition for like the rack Richards is complete right? This team is is the we used to be. We used to be underdogs. We used to be broke. We used to love or chance to be top notch teams to now full on top nuts. And the only question now is do they lose that kind of bribery underdog grassroots Oakland element that they had and that kind of made them move different than most teams but it's already being left a little bit? So you can imagine what's going to happen, when they're full scale into this fancy stated our Rena people's on that you told me once that I think some of just how much things have changed in ten years and Steph curry got there. Steph curry got there and Montiel's wasn't sure this was going to work. And told him I said that, like they one of media day like didn't even like wait a couple of practices. I was like, yeah. This ain't gonna work together. I remember. We were all like dang welfare. I remember having to ask that like those Monte says that we go to a month. He just said, he can't win what you. And he's like you could tell he's like little shock like, what, but you know, put on his good faces, and you're like, you know you root myself, and you know, was close to be where he's supposed to come in earn their way to leave. It was like day do day, what might have been first question. Like. That's back man, I think that was the same year was that the same. Here's Stephen actually showed us his new his new tattoo like brand hands wrapped around and gun on little. Like. Wow. Like who Trevor quiz new gun tattoo at Monte, saying, he can't play what's best? That was it was wild times was at that time to be fair to Monte. Very question to ask. Absolutely right. I remember they just had Barron Davis who's a bigger point guard. Jason rich the back or they're just we believe just one with that, right. Or you know, made it to the playoffs beat Dallas to the first round loss in the second round, but they kind of had the foundational pieces whereas all right? This is more traditional, and it was kinda like a little bit of what they ended up going with bigger on a perimeter allows you to be smaller on interior. So Monty was like, man. You mean we went for Barron Richardson to me, you can't play small like that. So I mean he was wrong, and I always think he was rogue about what he was thinking. He was the one who had to go like, well, though, I gave you do give me like a real guard. He was like, yeah. We together. They're like you know what? You're right. You're right. Vishnu like hey man monthly you had a point. Wait, wait, wait. It'd be on top of the men's basketball cues walkie. Like, like Monty now goes over kinda like Ricky Davis that with the cast draft of the broad rigi day was like cool. They got some helped. Well, I'll tell you need help you give me this. And they just told him he's going to be the point guard. They flew out. They told her when nine point guard, you are guy who put the ball, your hands him and nearly had a tenuous relationship in the franchise there. He got the note that he just wants. And they had done the whole action thing. Let's get my board lets you on the same page, and then Steph curry, call him grabbing like. Yeah. You'd never mind. We know. But we didn't know gonna be here. So, yes. Players. Larry's big about it, right? I'm thinking, I think my actually better than what we remember him for, but cold that that's going to play for history. Now. I wonder what he is Steph talks about. They actually got cool. That's the ended up being real cool. After that. I think Steph did when I'm over. I remember his wife saying, like telling me like, man like no Montaigne unite Steph, my, my thing Steph was in that was one of those man, he just maybe because his dad was in the pros, he just like, I'm earning my keep, and these vents like me, I'm gonna make them like me. He, he didn't is Brian them, right? He was like, yeah, this is this is my right of passage, so to speak, because he just he's, he's like the first few months, just trying to prove like prove to Monte, he was worthy and end the work it might not likely to do like, you know, give up he don't quit. And they ended up real cool. I've ever got invited to Monte's wedding, and he was he felt like okay. I did it like pulled it off, like you know, Monterrey accepts me, he looked about that crazy about it. It is on how that works out. Oh, no. This is also kind of like Stephen Texan, Jim Duggan. Hang out, though. I got a pretty good idea, but they gotta come. Let me see what is it guns and tattoos. No, neither of those. It'd be really funny, if we found out that after all those years is in Antonio, my somebody goes and does a feature Tim Duncan, and then he takes you into like his special room, and he opens his cabinet and it's just full of guns. What I will be the shocker. That's injury. Right. Right. Like imagine that Doug pulls a double barrel. Shotgun off the wall to show it to you, like, oh, no, I'm not gonna shoot you just look at the look at the workmanship. To milking stuff is sure to stomach, like it'd be like, Whoo Hoo missed this. Where's mike? What rope San Antonio Express News? We not know this could be more that would be unique could be really really, really good b but that's ducats. A little sad. When the team leaves open like it's a bummer to me and I don't even live in Oakland. This is I still got the thing at the new arena, where he can pull up your boat. Yeah. It's the ferry Beth how you get there. Yup. Your boat like your own book. For what? So the Balkan land the in the water saying, I thought that somebody's ballers gonna be floating, bringing boats in and then go into the game and getting on the boat and then come off. Like I thought it was gonna be like valet boat parking up in San Francisco, all that possible. It's was when over there, they can do whatever they wanna do. I mean they have a nice little walk. But they do man. This let me tell you this place over there. The luxury suites are like it's like a man had in house is crazy. They got doors on them like wooden stick like mansion doors to get in. It's like you're walking into man. It's creating couches and kitchens and things like what is this, like an apartment? And it's the sweet they got some of those tweets were, you don't have any views of the court just TV's on you that simulate as live with going on. They got Casey, the floor that can't see the floor both like you can't see the floor. They got the I mean you got seats outside you can go sit you'll see, but if you're in a suite just watching TV watch a video of what's happening live outside of your sweet singing for and. There's a door which you think is going down in this week. Outside or inside. And there's a door man is going down. Sweet. That's so dope, all at one time, because I, I, I said it was way and then you read position the conversation. I was like, okay, you could also be. Oh, is going down Sweet's. Let me. You can't. You can't see out and there's a door. Oh, man p people who got sweet people who can pay for week like that. They, they don't do it like. That in my in usually. I usually don't have no chill. He registered Miami. Yeah, yeah. It's going out and let me tell you right now and find out about that he trying to get a new arena. That's what he's. Ward. Can you imagine me once they give it to we believe or game? Oh, no, no, no, no. S. We'd we believe for game you gotta give that sweet. Maybe not we believe every time but for people who don't mind right like that basically, becomes the equivalent of like the smoking room at a hotel, you can't just decide is non smoking one day. You say what would be less behind would be? It's into the essence of the room, the wall, soak it up. 'cause weighed about go kick them out like about somebody coming up there to out hair. Did it get out of their hair? Just give him a business card. Absolutely. Like make them. Get some of this week cryp if he was. Oh. His grandma grumble. We've iowa. Let's go every time you denies every time I talked to alum, like how you graded. How she. Member allen. And Stephen Jackson, had them them pay March US had own shoes and soda McKay. Mar that's right. And they to they used to wear 'em Stevens Yankees to wear them. And they would bus department the gay he goes through, like two or three games like minimum news been business. Like unconventional business. Well, let me ask you this. What is you as Oakland native like what is your, your your like biggest memory, not related to this current run of the warriors in that building, because you ought to great piece about this? If you months ago. I will never forget being from here and back where we used to say, of course, I used to be so funny, too. Because invariably if I'm in Oakland at or cool, it was such a community event that you couldn't go too long. Without seeing somebody, you knew. Right. So it would be like all games somebody becoming and they blocking view of all the other media. 'cause they stand right in front. I'm sitting front row and they come like, Marcus man. Oh man. I can't believe you would hear like, you know, like I saw you news, this, or we wouldn't school together. It was always that all game long. But the funniest part would be times, it'd be like dude from the hood. Right. And neither do you can't say to the Haymond moving along. We kinda watch the game. Right. And I got to tell the media people like chill your, like relax, but they're like, he's your friends. The move like over lax. But they were just staying there front like yo you know you wanna drink drink. And I'm like, no, I'm doing working, but, you know, you had that conversation will have to all the time. It was so funny. Like I'm talking about with tattooed tears walking like Marcus. I always knew you do something with this thing. Right. It just would you be camping? Hey, mama. Do, hey daddy, doing like those memories used to be credible, 'cause I was equally like uncomfortable. And like as an absolutely like thrilled. Right. It was great to be seen and recognized. I haven't made it also so uncomfortable. Like just having these walk into my world, right and the journalists. And I'm trying to be all serious. And here come the hood lined up, like hey man, we wanted to be in this club. To put you on. While the gave it any other media or man, those, those always I used to live though. They were so great. That, that's what I will always remember our who was just walking through, and seeing people, you know, and that means, you know, Boeing should be a lot of stress, man, 'cause I was making thirty five thousand I, I started and all forty five. I think I've got a raise forty five money, but amendment, it's tough trying to keep, you know, they got to keep up with the fast. You can't be in there. Looking all busted other media could look busted. Right. Right. Most media do busted. But if I was walking through there was like, hey, man, you all right. But if I'm BUSTER, they're like, your man, you need a wholesome. So you had to it was a lot of pressure going to game because you had to kind of be like, you know, you had to be fly. You gotta be referencing 'cause you go see everybody you really we're gonna see all kinds of people. I remember I had to tell the do who has city. My dad forever at orchid about father died. He was like, oh, man. What's up? Yeah. With what your daddy it? How does he do this, man? At oracle all. Yeah he died a few years ago. Right. Like, that's the type of place. Oracle used to be for me. That was it. That that's what I'll always remember that. It was way, bigger games and all that it was like all these people in Oakland, and I basically to be a child of cliff and to be in Oakland and for people to see you made it right. And then you get these little nine year old kids come through, and they're like, mini my favorite writer like really this usually happened all in the city you from that. I it feels like that's rare to be. Maybe I'm super the two fascinating to be one. I wish that the people who were shook up could recognize. One thing they probably didn't know which is to do with the drive tattoo. His happy that you made it which is kind of what people think that people actually get down all, but on the other hand, this is part of being black that does not so much ply ways that other people can't get like it's enough white people. They can section themselves off into little groups of all sorts, including by class. Now man, we all know each other, we ain't enough. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Absolutely without question. And it's so funny to man. Because like in my would never let me do anything, right? Like I remember playing hoop on a corner. Like we had this corner all the drugs popping up there. And I used to I felt like I was getting up to play there, 'cause I was real no blood, no file, and they kicked me out man. They wouldn't they wouldn't let me play like the college get off this corner. Right. So they were some of them felt like they were really invested like it mattered to them that I made it you know what I'm saying? They were like yeah. Always do us do let me buy you drink like it wasn't just like all the who it was like, well how you actually pulled it off. Like I'm impressed. And I wanted that, like I like sitting there hearing that from him like that matter to be that they saw that. I made it. But also, like you're kind of need to see that Jason richton. Live. Spans out a little bit. But you need to do that, right? The moment you do that wasn't like, you know, we all know everybody if I acted funny towards one time in the been over it would spread all around all Ebeid. It he funny now, so you can't even talk to right now would have been the reputation, I would have got. We'll be back in a minute with more than Marcus Thompson. But I what if you could combine your credit card, balances into one low fixed monthly payment refinance with a credit card consolidation loan from light street. 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Janna rose to the interview with the New Yorker talking about the use of analytics in basketball, and his main point was there, too, but they're not the whole box. It's wrench, but is not the whole two bucks. Now you've been around his league for a while, and you work for one of the more like dork forward sort of not work for, but you have one of the more door Fullwood organizations in the NBA. What do you think about Jaylen idea that this push toward more? Analytics is also going to lead to a push out of like, generally black executives, but specifically, former players. I mean this stuff is already network base. Right. Like, like, just if you look at who is higher for jeans, and coaches like these, these owners these people in power, they kinda stick to their circles a lot, unless you can do something to break into circle or stand out from the circle, you never really know how people get these jobs. Right. And now you start adding like these analytics people kinda with no name, when no basketball resume. Right. They got like I don't know how the semi Gill fair was with the warriors. Nice with the pisses. I don't know how he got discovered. I know he's one of the analytics guys do now. But how, how did they find them like how did he come into knowledge? Like he's not even he wasn't even in basketball. So it's really kinda makes it even shorter. Like how if you can't find the basketball mind that you've never heard of in basketball. How do you. In the in math, and then right? Like it just feels like it's shrieks the pool even the more like, now, you're gotta know, the coaches coming up in the ranks got the job hard time, getting shot, even though they going through the quote unquote process. What's the process? Forget those radar analytics guy like that's even more. Like I know there's no math. I don't know. Like it's already network base. And now this area network is super limited, right? It's Cray like we're talking about black black man getting in like we're the women's get the analytics, right? Like like this is that's a. Personal something. That's like all right. Let's go to MIT and just do our stand down. Here we go touch somebody. I touch me don't give a job to like, if you do that. What's the chances you go get somebody in there? So I just feel like this thing is already so network and relationship base, which makes it hard for people of color for women to get shot because people aren't hiring people. They just don't know. Right. They just don't know. And now you're going to a whole subset of people who ain't even connected to basketball and somehow like our. Yeah. Let's pick from there. If you looking at that, and your personal color trying to get in that definitely that definitely discouraging looking like John holliman whose great at this stuff. Right. Look, he had to do to get his shot like I mean I do have that he came up with his own stat. How do you pick these like, what's the criteria? Where's where's the application to fill out? I don't know. We give him too much credit for coming up with their damn stat. Demonstrated to me that PR is useful at all. Like, all right. If you if you need to say something for you. Yeah. Well, that's the thing that you index, but I don't know exactly like what? It's reflective of and he, he managed to parlay that into a job after by the way a career as a writer, where he wrote about players so disrespectfully then I can't imagine anyway. Speaking of him, though, that team just did this though. Right. And they hired thirty year old dude run their basketball operations and prints out there to introduce the do head coach who also appears to be like thirty year old dude. That's how it is like like new you like do you who how many people, you know, don't you got, like nine economics degrees, as I said, on television day, they invited me to Sloan wants to be on the panel about activism. Activists, activism, Brian, do you are? You are at a black man. You got to talk about I, but I actually did tell him any turned out, I couldn't go to the conference that year because added death in the family like the week of, but I told him I was like as I'm not doing this. Like I was really looking forward to get into chance to, you know, be involved in this. And by the way, you'll need some black people talking about math. Right. I thought I'm down to, you know, always going to do some things that was, like ninety doing this, and then they got me onto some other panel and just couldn't do it, but I definitely had to like shake them up to kinda, sorta make that happen. But it's going to be interesting, though. Because like as much like TV and Pablos talking about stem, education and everything. Let me tell you a lot of black folks out here majoring in engineering you can go to North Carolina, a and t you can go to prairie view. You can go to all the Atlanta schools. They going over to Georgia Tech to take these classes and everything else. Right. Let you can go Holly, all these people. We out there. If you wanna find us, we got to be a matter of us feeling. Like you actually gonna give us some. Jobs. Yeah. And who does that who's going to find some anonymous dude, like just doesn't have an I need like Cuban minors, only thirty teams not like this is like this big national, there's all like thirty teams which means there might be thirty forty analytic job. Let's say sixty if you wanna hire to each team like that's not an open call thing. That's a who do you know like that's how the NBA works. Let's make a call. Who do you know which is one of these retrieves always get hired again? Right. Like you saying the same pool of candidates, always are back in the loop. And when you get one that's out of it is probably because of some relationship somewhere that, like, that's how it is. That's the way it goes. So now who walk it? Yours tech to find a young brother who is a genius at this man. I'm gonna make you like that's not like amino acid. Like, you know, he has to like, volunteer for the hawks. On some like, like crazy stuff. You know, just to get in the building. Like I know guy got in Chris Gilbert, he was he took a job and tickets out here and just was doing free work trying to get on ever just like working on his game, prescribe you just wanna do, but he sell tickets on the side of just trying to get into door. Like there's no door for this. There's no it's all I'm gonna make a call who you know, that's why you need to get your team you need to get a team of like analytic crews and just be like, hey, it'd be be their agent and get them jobs in the league. Hauling about it. I was actually just sitting here thinking about, you know, maybe I could just quit my job today. I mean I quit my job, obviously not. But something that would be kinda cool to do. Somebody can get out here and start a program. It was relationships at HP see us necessarily black engineers like all this kind of stuff, right, there, you can go out here. Get a get somebody to put some money down, like United negro college fund type stuff to go to Marshall scholarship fund. You put that in, and what you do is you, then call up the NBA and be like, hey, man. We're gonna set up this. We gonna set up the scholarship program in which you need to do is to get these cats in and give them internships with NBA team as part of the scholarship program, and then, you know what will happen. All of a sudden analytics won't met a nearly as much in decision making. No, we do they know how to do to man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We off that dough. Like, like we show up and stuff like that they treated like how it is you show up at school, and the whiteboards aware, and your shoes like damn, I guess they're not cool. No. Mo. You know, you got these does these days. On. Something else. Got to do something else. We own nutritionist. Now, let's see, we look at the Christian. The game. We show up all of a sudden things change is used to be a nice neighborhood. Did we showed up y'all ain't nights enough noble for you? Now, is it? Man. That's that's way too true. That's this hardening minded me of, of, of the struggle, but this will be good day, man. So last day in Oakland, you'll depressing me. Lamb how words and Oakland, but I laugh when I do it in. That is the key. There is last if he had this. That in that is Larry speak about setting up a program that sounds like eight year old right now. Then get into and then weren't they way of finally make it, then they lay off all the people. It was right all the way there is somebody looks at it was, like, you'll think fast basketball in his hand, and then like so make straight free throws. And then you get to the next level. Now, you know, they are hired all these trainers. Each need the train, you know, the, the guys who work with these players, the summer and everybody got all these trainers, and that's probably gonna be because here's. But Israel about analytics inclusion and stuff like that, man, if you go to these schools, and explain it, these cats studying to be engineers that you could actually do this working on basketball, they'll go over there and do that. 'cause I always say, I see this all the time about engineers change. No, I'll do it here. We're dolts. Right. There's somebody who went to school. And got a bachelor's degree in math in the analyst, physics engineer, whatever. And they went maybe got a masters degree, and maybe they win and got a PHD and they reached the height of their profession. And you know what that person's doing right now that person's in a laboratory of so corporation every day, trying to figure out how to make that tampon even more absorbent? Daddy, daddy, daddy is all that work and study that he did. That's what that person is doing right now. Somebody over there right now is trying to figure out how to make their BanDai stick to your skin, but not hurt when you pull it off. That's what he does era. You give me some allergy medicine, that don't make me sleepy. Yes, yes, these people are doing I assure you some of it would much rather be working for NBA team. Even if it means less money to. Yes. Yes. France about at the bar, and they think it's cool. Yeah, that's super cool. We got this one, one of them engineer, like in the Chinese media, and see where Silicon Valley if he's like, literally one of the lab, coats and test tubes. And you know where her nice doing media at or because it's cool is way, cooler than that picture you on the Brochu or the pharmaceutical with the lab coat. And, you know, squeeze the used to like. It's cool to be around be around. There's no question. They take that heartbeat right, Dave avid. Like that is about man, Marcus Thompson. Check out his books golden book on Steph curry, and Katie a book on Kevin Durant. Whereas athletic, check him out over there. Also, and is an alumnus of Clark, Atlanta university, we will find a way or we will make one vote. There we go bed. I appreciated you have a good one. Thank you. Appreciate it reserved. Laserjet. Thanks for joining us here on the right time. Do this thing. Couple times week, McMahon gave Bassein handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir things. 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