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McGwire vs. Sosa  Generating Power | 2

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McGwire vs. Sosa Generating Power | 2

"It's spring nineteen seventy-one on a sun-baked saturday at the community baseball park in claremont california. A red headed freckle faced eight year old steps to the plate. The pitcher is is four years older. A twelve year old so is nearly every other kid on the diamond but eight year old mark maguire is as big as any of them as he steps to the plate for his first little league at that all the other boys marks age play pony league standard little kid baseball but he's been bumped up to play with the bigger kids. It's it's already clear that this big kid is something special that fact doesn't make him any less nervous though mark adjusts his wobbly oversize oversized batting helmet but he can't adjust the constant anxiety in his head. Everybody's looking at me. Thanks mark my teammates. My coaches ages my brothers. My grandma thank gosh mom and dad are on a cruise. Mark got his athletic genes from his dad. John mcguire fire john maguire is the son of a former light heavyweight boxing contender. John himself was a promising athlete but childhood polio ended any sports dreams dreams before he could realize his potential sometimes marksman ginger worries that john's trying to live out his lost dreams through his voice mark in particular he pushes them into baseball basketball football even golf but the truth is mark loves sports sunup to sundown. He can't get enough more and more. He's been loving his time on the baseball especially pitching. There's something about the mental aspect of it the serenity on the mound trying to psych psych out the guy at the plate to control a game problem is right now he's on the other side of the ball and he's not in control mark digs into the batter's box and swince at the pitcher his visions never been good. He reviews his checklist. Just put the bat on the ball swing for contact. Don't don't try and pull it to heart. Just put it in play and then run it out as hard as you can on contact just like dad says well. Mark breathes a sigh of relief. That wasn't too fast mark. Thanks even i throw faster. Maybe get to pitch next game. Wait but then all the attention mentioned would-be on me everybody watching all of my moves okay. Stop focus mark focus okay here we go. Homerun easily clears defense one hundred seventy five feet. The seventh grade pitcher hangs his head of third-grader. Just took him yard. Mark sprints to first base surprised that was easy. He thinks he rounds second then third cheering teammates mob him as he crosses home plate. He feels a rush of emotion something. He doesn't know how to subscribe just that this is it. 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Many many fans didn't the league is desperate for a larger than life hero to bring fans back to the ballpark and it's about to get to in in this episode will retrace the origins of the all american mcguire and the proud dominican salsa the couldn't have had more different paths in circumstances coming up get along their journeys. A common theme emerged. Yeah both were born to crush dinger's but it was overcoming failure that transformed them from reluctant sluggers into superstars this episode to generating power. It's it's one thousand nine hundred eighty two in the hydro sushil also known as the dirty jar neighborhood of san pedro de macoris dominican republic fourteen year olds. Sammy sosa sosa stands in a patch of rocky sawgrass on a ragtag baseball field neighborhood kids called the field mahyco showcase elite skills here here and a scholarship to the mexican developmentally from there. You get a chance to punch your ticket to america. That's why today sammy's older brother list reese hasim stationed in right field to shag balls. Sammy's the athlete in the family with practice and a lucky break. Maybe he can be the athlete that puts. Let's food on their dinner table after all no other city on the planet has sent as many players to the big leagues per capita as sammy's hometown baseball players are the island's number one export trouble is sammy doesn't want to be here. He doesn't even want to play baseball. Sammy dreams of making it as a prizefighter. He drops all comers with his lightning quick hands at the boxing gym. That's where he'd rather be right now. Sparring winning building future putting in work not standing in right field waiting for a ball to come his way. He wants to be the aggressor someday. I'll be the light heavyweight champion of the world. He thinks a move mama out of our two room apartment at the abandoned hospital into a new house house. Maybe even by a proper headstone for dead to his father one died of an aneurysm when sammy was only seven years old one left behind hind seven kids and his beloved wife media as a poor sugar cane farmer. He didn't leave behind much else. Sammy's been toiling away ever since selling oranges washing cars even working as a janitor at the shoe factory just to help put food on the table at home plate echoed. The local will baseball godfather. Ask sammy if he's ready to field fly balls. Sammy's is catch the sun glinting off daughters gold plated watch. He definitely only like one of those watches but he still thinks boxing is the way to get one not baseball for now though hector is holding up a bat and ball and waving his way. Are you ready. Yes yes okay. His brother louis flashes him encouraging thumbs up. I'll take care of all my brothers and sisters to sammy thanks food and the car and clothes and shoes punch by championship punch a lift us off the dirt floor first things first though i need to get off this baseball diamond and back into the ring hits a pop far away from sami testing his speed sammy takes off like a panther extends his glove jumps up to nab the ball lands and rockets back home the ball zing zang into the chain link backstop ecuador's eyes grow wide. He turns to luiz that arms going to buy a lot of food. It's nineteen eighty-four mark maguire lumbers across the claude at the university of southern california u._s._c. z. everywhere he goes is follow. He is literally the big man on campus a lanky six foot five inch redhead who has just named college baseball's player player of the year a blonde delta gamma checks him out then a brunette pi five then to kappa kappa gamma who go to every one of his games mark flushes rushes and keeps walking. He's used to it by now but he's still too shy to ever really get used to it. He then enters the athletic vladic center for the first of two life-changing meetings. He's scheduled for today. Hey coach you gotta sack of course pull up a chair and everything okay marks coach rod. Dado already knows what's coming when mark steps into his office data has coached the trojans since nineteen fifty. He turned u._s._c. into the winningest program in college. Baseball history including five straight college world series in the seventies after thirty four years years in college baseball. These pretty much seen it all mark though mark stands out mark's not like the rest of nato's roster of baseball bros. Who are ripping ripping beer bonds at frat parties and chasing sorority girls. He doesn't have much of an ego. He doesn't have an interest in the limelight. Mark plays baseball to simply play a baseball. He loves it and that's why coach dato loves him. Mark loves his coach to and that's why this is so hard last night he laid awake at at three in the morning trying to find the words to say in this very moment when he couldn't and now he's tongue-tied the coach senses his stars discomfort comfort with an easy smile dato helps. Mark relaxed by reminiscing about these past two years. They've shared. I talk about the montreal expos drafting mark nineteen eighty-one directly out of high school but mark turn them down. He wanted a college experience close to home in southern california freshman year. Mark had his heart set on being a major league pitcher after all his fastball did hit ninety on the radar gun then he saw a teammate pitch reindeer johnson's that teammate randy johnson said a six foot ten inch flame thrower with a one hundred and one mile an hour fast ball and then he also had a slider that defied the laws of physics so for for the first time in his life mark felts inferior obviously a young college and future major league baseball hall of famer randy johnson was indisputably better on the mound that summer as mark toward latin america with united states pre olympic team. He traded in his pitching sessions for batting practice. The repetition immediately paid dividends his bat started to find the ball more often and when it did who boy crush town when maguire returned from latin america he asked coach dato to move him off the mound to first base it was officially time to focus focus on hitting a quiet end to his childhood dream the good news it works marks thirty two home runs. A sophomore broke the u._s._c. single season record occurred. He won college player of the year. Agents started circling around him like buzzards and that's what brought mark this moment in his coaches office coach. I i'm going to declare for the draft dato nods his first baseman is a guaranteed first round pick and that means a a six figure signing bonus and honestly there's not much left for mark to achieve at u._s._c. It's the right call. The coach stands up walks around his desk. Shakes aches marks bear paw the hand and pulls him in for a hug a few minutes later mark practically floats across campus feels like the weight of the world's been lifting off his shoulders. I life changing meeting complete now. He takes himself up for number two. He's meeting. The baseball teams back girl in front of the tommy trojan statue in twenty minutes. Mark and kathy have been dating since last spring and now it's time to talk about getting married. It's nineteen eighty-nine in arlington texas twenty one year old. Sammy sosa strolls over to a bank teller window and slides his first first paycheck beneath the protective safety glass. The hairspray teller looks over the czech eighteen thousand from the texas rangers she. She takes a look at sammy by now. Sosa knows the routine dark skin accent young deep in the heart of texas. He's not one of them and <music>. She's shall we say suspicious. She tells sami she needs a minute and just smiles he doesn't mind. He's a winner with nothing to hide. Besides he's been under constant scrutiny every day for the last six years in one thousand nine hundred three the phillies signed him to a minor league deal that they voided as soon as they learned he was underage once he turns sixteen rangers scout oscar mnaya snapped him up his scouting report listed sammy me as a quote malnourished five foot ten inch one hundred and forty five pounder lacking fundamentals but his athletic gifts were too obvious to pass up which which sammy leveraged into a thirty five hundred dollars signing bonus sammy bought a bike then gave the rest of it to his mom before shipping off to the baseball program at the university university of santo domingo once there it didn't take him long to show everyone that he was on another level racking up stolen bases and punishing clearly really overwhelmed pitchers his supporters in the texas rangers organization including team owner george w bush considered him a dominican diamond in the rough his critics meanwhile pointed out that there might be too much rough to ever mind the diamond sure his athleticism was off the charts but he was too streaky too much of a free swinging showboat not enough of a team player his strikeout numbers alone would automatically disqualify anybody with anything less than superstar potential attention even though he was still learning english. Sammy understood the knox against him. The thing is though he didn't try to argue anything he just kept smiling kept working king and earned himself a trip to sarasota florida for spring ball. The rangers wanted to see how he'd stack up against baseball's most promising prospects and stack up they did that year. Sammy led the gulf coast league in doubles which is why the rangers called them up to the big leagues once they're sammy immediately responded responded with a single and double in his first game a few days later. He dug into the batter's box at fenway park in boston. The two time cy young winner for the red sox roger clemens expected to make quick work of the rookie. Sammy valve gate fell. A bit of a surprise ball hit well toward left field and very very high. Does it make the screen it does homerun for sosa hit three to two now sammy sosa with his first homer as sammy's first major-league homer cleared the green monster it suddenly became clear that there may be more homerun trots in his future and and now back at the bank this is why the bank's manager is now scurrying towards him clutching eighteen thousand dollars in tightly banded twenties. Oh yeah it's it's payday. He shouts out mr sosa our newest ranger you wanted bag. The bank manager beams ear. He's here to help. The teller unzipped unzip sammy's duffle and stacks cash talking head off about getting sammy in on the ground floor of an oil investment. Sammy tunes it all out. He's already all in on what he thinks is the most promising investment in all of texas himself sammy van thanks both of them and jumps in a taxi that takes him back to his hotel hotel along the way he rolls past a mercedes dealership and then has no time for a strip club. 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That's code sports wars. Only at draft kings make it rain minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five. If time play through eligibility restrictions apply see draft kings dot com for details it september nineteen eighty-seven oakland california mark maguire is sweating through his shirt hurt hospital maternity ward his wife. Kathy groans in the throes of labor. The nurse then wheels her into the back to a delivery room. The doors swivel shut the last thing marci's and cathy's is fear. This past year marks first full season in the majors. He's gotten. I used to less than happy looks from kathy. She used to trust him. Then he broke their vows. He cheated. He blames his teammate jose canseco together as the league's most exciting home run hitting duo. They've come to be known and celebrated as the bash brothers. Jose lives for it the celebrities the adoration mark though wants no part of it. His nickname is big mac but he turned down offer to become a mcdonald's spokesperson because he thought it would distract from baseball for a star athlete saying no to that level of fame is pretty unusual but jose wouldn't leave him alone. Jose loved being a bash brother. He just needed mark to complete the legend after games. Jose dragged mark out to bars to chat up women who just might they have a thing for ballplayers. It was only a matter of time. Their marriage was a victim of marc success and immaturity the twenty-three-year-old set the rookie record for home runs in a season. He hit forty nine of them. He actually had five games left to reach fifty but tightened up kathy's due date approach coach for the first four of those five games. He looked like a shell of himself and then kathy went into labor. Mark caught the first flight home to oakland giving giving up his last chance at the big five o. That was six hours ago. The nurse opens the door for mark. It's time for him to join the wife. He's been cheating on for the birth of their first child. How did this happen. He thinks that's not who i am but now it is mark breathes deep. A man takes responsibility for his actions. Do you think's and even though i haven't been much of a man to kathy this this baby boy is a chance to start over. He tells himself it's time to prioritize. It's time to go meet my son. It's time to meet matthew. Oh it's nine hundred ninety two in a velvet rope chicago nightclub. Sammy sosa doesn't even know the name of the place ace after a while the clubs and the women in them all blend together a bunch of beauties and mini skirts gyrating to american. It's tonight's supposed to be a celebration. Sammy was just traded from the chicago white sox to the chicago cubs. His agent raises a flute. Dom perignon a toast to getting the best of both worlds a fresh start without having to leave home. Sammy swallows his bitterness as he clinks glasses with his his agent. He thinks he's just doing his job and i'm not doing mine. The cross town trade was a two for one sammy and ken patterson patterson for george bell. Sammy is a shame. The insult is twofold. First bell is at the tail end of his career while sammy's supposed to be entering entering his prime second and even worse bell was born in san pedro day makoto sammy's hometown sammy was projected to be better than and local legend now. He's officially half as valuable. Sammy stands up and takes a lap of the nightclub to clear his head in michael jordan's city. He doesn't remotely qualify superstar but some people recognize him not as sammy sosa specifically but as a professional athlete. He's a someone six feet tall with a lean eight percent body fat. He's got a flat top haircut with ferrari. Testarossa speed lines edged in gold cross the telltale swagger of an athlete sammy's ugly secret his swagger is fake. The white sox have broken his will will to play baseball. He's just playing the part when the rangers traded him to chicago back in one thousand nine hundred nine. Sammy was excited for the change of scenery. The rangers organization was too stiff didn't let sammy sammy with the white sox. He vowed to finally uncork his true potential sammy. We knew why they traded for him. Their roster was stacked. They had the big hurt frank. Thomas and carlton fisk and robin ventura plus an impressive core of starting pitchers church. Sammy was supposed to push them over. The top into the world series the missing piece just twenty six major league game at irap sat. That would be a way back. Look you believe this run for savvy. Sosa it as perfect on tonight everything he's done is a-plus two run shot but things quickly went south in nineteen ninety. He struck out one hundred fifty times fourth most in the american league still though the white sox held out hope. They're superstar frank. Thomas <unk> had some of the best discipline at the plate in the history of the sport. The thinking was maybe sammy can learn from watching him. Go back six compared to thomas. Sosa came off like honey drunk bear swatting at beans. His coaches began to critique every pitch from every at bat of his balls balls and strikes gotten sammy's head he no longer trusted his instincts is confidence was quickly fading the next year. He hit only two oh three. We're talking talking borderline minor league numbers here but that was then thinks sammy tonight and the nightclub. Sammy sips his drink and reminds himself. I did what i set out to do. I improved my family's life. I have nothing to be ashamed of. So why do i feel like a failure. Sammy he steps up to the bar to order another drink. He catches his reflection in the swanky mirror behind the bar. This is his last chance to prove himself as a worthwhile major ager leaguer. Does he really want to retire as the players sportswriters call sammy so so or does he wanna man up into the player. He knows he's meant to be the bartender. Approaches always happy to see one of his favourite big spenders sammy another drink no. I'm closing out. It's july thirty first nineteen ninety-seven mark maguire is in a hotel room in new york city lying diagonally across the hotels king sized bed waiting for the phone to ring for the last four days the oakland a.'s have discussed trading big mac the st louis cardinals. The clock reads six twenty seven p._m. At midnight the trade deadline will pass mark would love to reunite with his former oakland manager tony larussa who who now manages the cards he loves a change in scenery some distance from being known as a bash brother and a chance to play for a familiar father figure he'd. I love to love baseball again. The game turned sour for him. After the divorce it turned out little matthew wasn't enough to save his marriage one in year. After matthew's birth right after the as lost the world series to the dodgers marken kathy separated two years later they officially called it quits it brought the big man to a low point he played so terribly in nineteen ninety-one that he asked larussa to bench him for the last game of the year because he was hitting two oh one and didn't want to risk dipping below two hundred on the season after the year ended on his solo drive back back from oakland to a southern california home. Mark realized he was adrift. He was a family man without a family like all challenges. Mark mark addressed it head on moving his bodybuilder younger brother j into his home and finding a therapist to help himself grow the shrink helped mark developmental what mental tools to navigate major league celebrity his brother helped him to develop the physical ones herculean strength mark had always been a gym rat but but after injuries forced him to the bench the muscle bound j told him that he had something they could get mark back into the batter's box even quicker and turn them into into the strongest man baseball had ever seen that something steroids market used them before sure you couldn't avoid it around the as locker room back in the eighties but he'd never used with a body builders strict regimen. He knew he could hit home runs without the added strength. That wasn't the issue. He just didn't know if he could stay healthy. Stay on the field. Stay in the lineup steroids. J told him could help. The brothers worked out twice. A day monitored their nutrition down to the graham and went on the juice in a bizarre way. It reminded mark of his childhood. The maguire boys horsing racing around morning noon and night. It felt like home unfortunately so did his spot on the disabled list. If the goal was to stay healthy it wasn't working. Mark suffered six major injuries between nineteen ninety three in one thousand nine hundred eighty six sherpa he packed on thirty pounds of quote lean lean muscle with jay's guidance but that wasn't much help when he had foot surgery or through his backout or strain his ribs now in this chilly early manhattan hotel room waiting for the phone to ring the familiar questions are bouncing back around marks brain to jay's steroids causes injuries is oakland oakland bad luck. What's kathy doing right now. How is this affecting matthew. Why couldn't i keep it together for us. Why blow mark finally get some good news. Welcome to the saint louis cardinals. It's september knbr twentieth nineteen ninety-seven at wrigley field the cubs lead the phillies to nothing in a match up of last place teams despite their abysmal records the chicago tasteful have turned out in droves to honor a cubs legend. It's ryan sandra day in the dugout. Sammy sosa gangs up with his all star first spaceman mark grace to tease the man of the hour rhino sandberg has played fifteen years with the cubs ten straight all star games. He made chicago his home. Sammy things to himself in ten more years. They're going to have sammy sosa day and next year was sandberg gun wrigley the cubs all all of it. It's all mine here. On the windy city northside sammy's as happy as he's ever been playing baseball in nineteen ninety-two sammy's he's very first season with the cubs his batting average shot up fifty seven points his hitting coach in chicago promised the snake bitten slugger that nobody would judge <hes> jim after every pitch slowly but surely sammy loosened up at the plate and start stringing together hitting streaks his joy for the game return he he bunny hopped after home runs. He sprinted out to right field at the beginning of games. He made the all star team. Sammy was finally being salmon and the fans loved him for it that was until he signed his four year forty two and a half million dollar contract three months ago then then the sammy sosa faction piped up again he was good but he wasn't third highest paid player in the league. Good heck said his critics. He wasn't even the best player in their division now that the cardinals traded for mark maguire but sammy knows something. They don't know nobody's seen his best yet yeah. They're judging him by the player he used to be not by who he's becoming forty two and a half million you guys got a bargain. The bottom of the cubs ordered notches is three quick outs fly out strikeout fly out. Sammy slips on his sunglasses slides his hand into his mitt and trots to his post in right field. He gazes is over to the blue sea of cubs fans in the bleachers and thinks to himself. All of you are about to find out exactly who sammy sosa really is in our next episode mark maguire wire charges out of the gate early in the nineteen ninety eight season and sammy sosa is desperate to chase him down. 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Analog(ue) 161: Perfect Storm of Stuff

Analog(ue)

1:01:32 hr | 1 year ago

Analog(ue) 161: Perfect Storm of Stuff

"Michael Welcome back to a place where things are hopefully less depressing than America <hes> such a way of Stein conversations. Sometimes I try hard here professional accustom you. I am a professional podcasters. Mike all Kidding aside you were in the once wonderful United States of America. How was that this still? It's still wonderful. It's still on the phone. It's no it's it's wonderful but perhaps wonderful than it. Once was but nevertheless it's not a politics podcast <hes> we should talk about your vacation. How was your vacation to America is great goods? We went to fire island. We Will Marco AWW and we've been there when they're a couple of years ago and we're happy to go back. We've been go wash it because we got married instead and went on a honeymoon. Yeah I had a great time. I love it there. It was a ten day vacation that became a two week vacation vacation whoops but it was. It was very nice trip very calming. I find that place to be very relaxing. It's like a way of life that I enjoy. I understand why Muko loves it so much right like why he is so transfixed them being there like I feel like in his situation I would be the same yeah I have not been afire Ireland and I've only been to long island in general a couple of times but <hes> last year we took the family and this is when Mikhail was six months-old or something like that we took the family to place on the eastern shore Virginia so Virginia is actually two different physical pieces if you will separated by water in other states so there's a little spit of Virginia off on the eastern edge off to these he's that isn't connected to the mainland <hes> by any land it's connected by bridges but not by land and in between the main the mainland in this little spit that we call the eastern shores Chesapeake Bay so it's a big big big Big Wide Blake. It's a allegedly a river but it's really obey. I know I know the name Chesapeake Bay from Hamilton. Oh okay well there yeah <hes> and so in any case we went to the eastern shore last year for a couple of days and went to this place called Cape Charles which <hes> having never been to fire island strikes me as very very very similar the way that you and Marlins if describe it I it's sort of place where once you arrive there which you can drive to which has which is an advantage over fire island. I would argue but what's your there. You don't really need to drive anywhere pretty much. Everywhere is walkable a a lot of people just take golf carts or bikes places and it's just a super super chill place or at least that was our experience one time for a long weekend and we're GonNa be going again later this summer for a whole week and I'm super duper excited about it because in the same way that you're describing the fire island just makes you kind of chill out in take a breath in relax a bit that was our experience with with Cape Charles as well and so we're really really looking forward to spending some time there and I can imagine how much you guys enjoyed it. <hes> tell me you were there over the fourth of July where you not yes that was actually so the reason we went on this trip at that time the so we could sell like so we could be there for fourth of July and then after we booked all realize oh an office wedding anniversary Tom Right just used to thinking about the time of year because we've not done it before so we also spent offers an anniversary though it's just a nice way to go on vacation fifth for that event so yeah fourth of July was really fun there were there was like a parade kids parade which was fun like kids like dress up these little caught so whatever and grade for Tam Fireworks Vishwa Amazing because you could from where we were you Kinda like see them all the way across long island like just in the distance is very beautiful but it was super foggy that night so like that's too bad we add like the seconds of fireworks and then just literally couldn't see anything because actually kind of funny ah so we could hear them right couldn't see him which I thought was hilarious. That's too bad that it's kind of funny but that's yeah but it was it was a nice way to spend the fourth of July there was like this big hot dog like cookout thing and in the baseball park field that people address houses it was nice. It was really nice like Fourth of July and interesting holiday for me anyway just at I think it's an interesting testing thing <hes> because we don't we don't have a day like that way. You just celebrate the country and it seems like mostly from my kind of limited knowledge. The only countries have a day like this a ones that have had some kind of independence yeah <hes> <hes> you know like it is a is a pretty regular thing for like X.. Country to have a you know like the French Bastille Day. <hes> you know it's kind of idea like there. Eh there is like all we overthrew oppressor. I think typically the United Kingdom as the oppressor in-laws situations so we don't we don't have won because we were an empire right so so it's just an interesting thing. Celebrate your country in that way. Yeah I can understand that I mean it it. It's also kind of kind of odd for me these days because I still in proud of America and I still love the country in which I was born but at the same aim time in a way that I've never been able to to realize before I'm seeing more and more of the faults of America and not to say that I thought it was perfect before but you know we Americans are growing. It's it's the thoughts of it's the full of the People Americans. It's just people yeah I think that there is this predeliction from Americans to assume that they are the entire world right. What is happening in America is happening across the world right now now right? Let 'em politically and stuff like it's not unique unique in that way is just this is what it is yeah. I think that's true but you know obviously the only thing I can experience on a regular basis America because I'm not hopping across the pond every two weeks like you are in so I don't know it's just it's a little bit bittersweet for me because I am still proud of the country but yet I'm still finding evermore fault with the country in the people here and so it's it's an odd. It's not thing for for me but it is nice fourth of July. Why is one of the better holidays throughout the year in the sense that there's not a lot of social obligation around it for most people you know like with Christmas or Hanukkah? There's a gift giving obligation <hes> yeah and I think Thanksgiving similar in this regard because the fourth of July is kind of like the summer version Thanksgiving right where it both of these events are basically around getting getting your friends and family together eating too much which is probably a very American thing to do to begin with but anyway you know it's not about giving or anything like that. It's just about hanging out and having fun and eaten some good food and probably too much of it and in that sense I really love the fourth of July it also takes on a different air. When you have small children go to sleep at you know eight ish at night and the fireworks don't usually start until ten issue at night right and so that becomes a whole new stress for the evening when you're just hoping that the kids don't wake up but but nonetheless ours was fine it was mellow we went to ernst bombs house and just kind of chilled out and had some hot dogs and stuff which was good? What did you do for your anniversary? You mentioned that it was over this trip. Did you to go out alone. Did you spend with what was the plan there now which were now nice dinner together spent a little time together so that was nice but we we need to establish what traditional like we don't and have them. We know that we're going to go back to Hawaii for a fifth year kind of you know because we want to go back there but it's very expensive <hes> so we needed a good reason and that just feels like a good reason but yeah we we. I think we still have time to work that stuff out together. We don't really I mean you know the fact that we kind of both forgot not forgot like within really think about it sure if we just went used to it and you know and we'll get at the time so we should probably mention a museum spoke about in this show like made jokes about the trip I would talk about the fact that I hurt myself on the trip and had to stay longer so there are these like there is a longer version of this story on connected is like the opening of an episode of connected you can go listen to that. I was also a little bit drunk on the episodes of a tad looks just like merry merry way to say uh-huh and full of like just different drugs so like like legal ones and so it might be better to listen to that for the story but like I basically jumped off a lifeguard chair like the tool lifeguard chairs and landed did very badly and my back quite significantly so we ended up moving the trip another like four or five days before coming home because I couldn't sit down and therefore could not get on a plane so it's very lucky able to move it and and I go another accident vacation elevate. What was the last ones an ankle or something like that? What was what was the last thing you know the lost accident vacation I go? It was like a month ago in Bucharest right and what what happened there remember. There was no internet so I had I had also like hurt yourself. You'll thinking of when I spray my uncle honeymoon. That's what it was. Yes yes yes. Yes yes speaking of Hawaii. Oh a year C._B._S.. Rifle <hes> probably around Oh man I wonder if it was like what it was to the DAG. I was at the same time even think to look at that might have been pretty close and that would be kind of terrible but also kind of hilarious and imagine it so. Let's just let's just make this up. Let's say it was the tenth and I'm not even sure you're you're in fire on the tenth. Let's just say for the sake of discussions to tempt. Let's say for the sake of discussion. It was a tenth on your honeymoon. What are you going to do the next July tenth like stay in bed all day? No Man the problem is the the problem is so the the reason this happened my so on the twentieth of July so that was going to myself on the Honeymoon Hawaii okay so we haven't even got into that yet so I forget how long our honeymoon actually was like we we were there for like two weeks right and we didn't leave immediately so that's why the problem this is the same issue and in Hawaii and I had a fire island. I am a typically quite anxious nervous person and I'm not a risk taker but when I am relaxed I genuinely very relaxed I will go outside and my comfort zone more easily <hes> and jumping of a lifeguard chairs one of those things. I would never do a home yeah but I did it that because I was so happy and comfortable so I did it. I would still do it again yeah because I new like I know I'm going to be in those situations again. I'm not GonNa let something like this. Bruin the relaxed failing because there was so many other things that I did on that trip because of that which I am happy that I did like fun things that I did a different food A._A.. That I would never usually have but because I'm so relaxed I'm more willing to try stuff <hes> so I I'm not interested in change in that part especially because like I mean provided that there is nothing wrong and it is getting better and I'm like taking care of myself then it's fine and you know an really than the the other thing is like I really enjoyed the extra days so it wasn't. I wasn't ready to go home. So wasn't the West thing to happen. Yeah I can understand that so. Are you reluctant to go on trips at this point since you seem to be having some sort of issue on home holds different now man. I myself a home to like. I'm just you know I'm just doesn't affect me like that. I understand the thanking Stephen Netherlands go on vacation again. I can imagine but it doesn't bother me like that. I don't I don't have a feeling about it like that. Well that's good and how bad is the fallout out from you having been gone for basically two weeks not too long after having been conversely the week and a half are you are you able to see the light at the end of the tunnel work wise or you basically screwed until December is a bit of a disaster. I mean some this summer is an a nightmare for travel and mean Stephen a both away pretty much. There is like I don't think that between now and like the end of Septem- but there is a week where we are both around for the whole time so oh it's. It's a bit of a nightmare right now but it's because of good stuff though right like we're doing citing things but it just adds to a wildness I I mean I don't know I I think I'm going to like where are are we now. We're in July right <hes> what her maybe like another four or five U._S.. Trips this you still oh but I love it. This is not a complaint like this. This what I want to be doing with my life but did you know it. It just does it puts. It puts a toll and things no absolute is like a thing. I'm thinking about anyway like not reducing the the stuff that I wanna do but maybe reducing some some things that I don't want to do in my life. I'm mulling over. I know we should add that should have that for future show. It doesn't pop up on CORTEX. I if there's probably that's where it will pop up. We'll see I'm not. I don't know what that means yet silicates nothing. I WanNa talk about her. <hes> do the best that you're willing to share are woodard the remaining trips. We're GONNA talk about one of them actually in just a moment but what other than the Aug trip which will talk about in the second is still on the docket. Does one icon talk about okay because his for thing that needs to be announced that hasn't been okay. I'm going to Las Vegas again. <hes> actually I don't think all American trips I should say they're just trip some guys they many for my brothers Stag. Oh we're in Germany. <hes> we're going to Munich TOPA FEST SD Oh man I hate you so much now as I'm sure you talk to the arms about <hes> and I think they felt the same way as we did <hes> when the four of us when I don't think that they really had any particular expectations and certainly earned and I did not and we loved Germany particularly Munich so I am very good for you and I got one of the trips is split into two different U._S.. Places while Sadat kind of like <hes> brings up my brain lots and lots of stuff still to come this year which is great but it's just a lot now you already sound a little retired. Were given you have a half broken in. I've caught some kind of bug on the plane as he just like I'm. I'm just like I have to be. I told quite softly today because I'm GONNA lose my voice and I have another six. Five or six pus recalled this week. So delightful because like you got a piece out a little bit yeah take note everyone. 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It is going to include many relay F._M.. Hosting we're going to be talking soon about who is going to be a part of the show but it's going to be a big variety show. We're GONNA have as many people involved as possible. I heard of rumor that Casey's GonNa be there knows. I've read that. I've read about that someone <hes> but yeah we wanna just do this big thing. There ought to get still available. We got a reasonably lodged size venue some. Would you have some tickets available. If you are in San Francisco you want to be in San Francisco. Go you can be in San Francisco August twenty second you should come to the show because we're planning a big and wonderful show as we possibly can so five years five years son. How I I don't know ma'am? I couldn't tell you that means this show is five years old. It does mean the shores five is it will turn five years old on the eighteenth because it was one of the original five five is only three of them left now. Uh No to what else was the kids depend addict was pre existent. <hes> inquisitive retired plan space the tools retired commits base was inquisitive right. Yeah virtual retired we <unk> start a new show so it's just connected and analog wow Alec was the was the original right like the brand new like there was nothing no the of four shows that was something that they were before right. They just moved into this like into the shows that they became sure most most mostly just rebranded and changed a little bit <hes> but analog was was complete new as it was. I knew show Ceska barely five years old that has been Anna's not only that we've been doing this for five five years but I don't know like at the time when we started the show my recollection was we thought we'll go for awhile and see what happens not unlike neutral in to some degree not unlike any A._T._p.. Although it with A._D._p.. I think we knew it was going to go for a while but I think you and I said we would do something like ten or twenty episodes and probably quits after that and Gloria will because in the original format of the show like the original concede the original way that we did it just wasn't a lot of stuff that we could do and then to show just kind of morphed kind of changed the bit you know and which is which is normal you could say it pivoted. We could say that I wouldn't wouldn't either but you know it's also funny too because at the time in which relay was launched at the time which analog was launched. I thought that it was cool that we were the the one new original but I didn't really think much of it at the time and now as I reflect on at five years later in in seen how far relase come I think I'm much more proud of the fact that we were the one new one at launch then I was at the time and I hope that doesn't come across as a bad thing. I don't mean it that way at all but I don't know I feel I feel kind of special and I feel proud in strong for lack of a better word that that that this show is one of one of the original batch and moreover like I said the only one I think that's something to be proud of. I always the one of the things Iowa's like when I think about that is you were the first person to take a chance on us. I and I appreciate that and yes strictly speaking. That's fair but I think it was pretty it was it was not a particularly risky maneuver. I would say but I hear you know I mean I appreciate that and I appreciate you Mike. But what made you want to celebrate this way with like a big live show and having people in how did you end on San Francisco for that matter. San Francisco is where we have. The largest listenership okay see was for a lot of our shows right so it was even going to be there on New York and spit. That wasn't the main reason it was like that that was a reason why we decided we would do a live show but it's because I'm already going to be in San Francisco that weekend. Saw Right to the San Francisco pen show right so when we thought wouldn't it be nice to do a live show and oh by the way <music> I'm GonNa be in San Francisco like foot five days off to the company anniversary <hes> and it's one of our largest markets and it's the that people want to travel to anyway. Even if they're coming from somewhere else it made perfect sense to to whilst we would do a show right that if it fits like a perfect storm stuff right like if I was going if the Atlanta pen show was that weekend we probably wouldn't do a show the way that we're doing okay we have. We already have a handful of hosts lists that are in that area to right so like you know I it's beneficial and again. It's like another thing that like lots of people would like to go in because that's been there are things that they can do in San Francisco right like people that they can say like there's there's reasons to be the so it made sense to to us that we were going to do a live show we would do it then we'd do in San Francisco. I'm it. It makes sense to me as well so so yeah. It's awesome what are you doing that is not public. Is there anything you're willing to share like. Are you in Stephen going on a retreat or anything like that. What what what else is happening well? I'm going to be a memphis beforehand. Okay <hes> we're doing what kind of like get together which we have done every year except for Law Shia <hes> <hes> where we kinda get together and we talk about stuff we plan stuff a lot of our big ideas of come from spending time together that week but <hes> and we we are working on I mentioned I have another trip right and so there is a big thing that we're walking on the later in the year that we will be working together whilst in Memphis so we actually unlike most years <hes> we we have the thing that we know we're going to spend some time while can just gonNA come up as the conversation so we're going to be working and stuff like that together and then if we should have have quite a lot of hosts come in I would hope Moose still kind of walking out with people that want to make the trip. Oh can make the trip so doing things together as a group would be nice <hes> would do that <hes> but the that's the kind of like the non public topic celebration he stuff and I'm sure me and Steven will find something nice to do on the eighteenth. You know maybe we'll go for a nice dinner memphis or something right. It's like the way to congratulate the fact that we did it yeah <hes> so yeah. It's like a little things I'm very pro. I mean I'm very proud of it will be very emotional time so I think that's completely fair. <hes> what are your expectations for the next five years. I'll ask you about your hopes in a minute but do you have any expectations for the next five years anything. You hope that I should say hope anything that you're thinking will or should happen. It's difficult for me to break expectations and hopes up okay well then intermingle them <hes> <hes> we'll still be around and the company was still be going to be doing good. I feel like as long as nothing like catastrophic happens or one of US dust decided we don't do anymore. <hes> I don't see any reason why wouldn't be around because we've taken the poss- five years in stride mostly nothing bad has happened. You know we haven't had disasters. Company's growth is good and isn't stopping so considering. We haven't plateaued yet. I'm feeling pretty confident about our ability to stick around so that's kind of like where I feel for. The next five years is like we just keep doing this. I guess and because we both everybody wants to do it. <hes> the industry is as strong as it's ever been a companies like alice so there's no reason why wouldn't keep going now. I mean I hope it continues basically forevermore. Do you have any aspirations to have something on the network turn to like a serial level event. You know what I mean like. Do you would with that interest you or do you. Are you asking Maywood. We like to have the most popular podcast us on the planet yeah yeah we wouldn't mind well. No I mean I'm serious though because no I don't know what I don't wait. Are you asking me because that has that that comes with it. I with attention comes problems potentially not always but potentially and so you know that that certainly would hopefully the rising tide raises all ships. Whatever the turn of phrases I I don't really I don't really desire for that? What I would like is more shows as big as the biggest shows okay that's? I don't want the next cereal because you're right like I. I'm not interested in dealing with what it would be like to have one point five million people something right exactly I'm. I'm not interested in the fall out of that. <hes> because that's a bunch of stuff that I don't WanNa do but I would love some shows that more shows that are on the top end of what we have like. We have a few outliers and I would like the to be like to be less allies. I mean yeah totally. I think that makes perfect sense but I'm not doing anything active for. That was my my my goal for this year's my theme right. I'm stabilizing and myself and I'll business. I actively trying to recruit people for new shows this year which has not been a thing and and if anything like I'm being way more hesitant about stuff that we're luke pitches than I have been in the post <hes> because we have a lot shows when we have a lot of people and trying to manage all of that is becoming increasingly more time intensive even difficult because he's just a lot of people right and like a lot of needs and so I'm trying to make sure that like before we continue to grow that our base ace is strong. Basically I think that makes perfect sense. Well congratulations. I mean I I hear rumors says I'll be able to say the person in San Francisco but congratulations on on five years and we're talking at least once more before then but it's exciting it it is it is super exciting and and it's something that you Stephen Bowl should be extremely proud of and and I couldn't think of two nicer fellows to have it happened to so while I shouldn't say happened to you mean you worked for but you know what I mean. <hes> thank you thank you excellent. What else is awesome other than relay? <hes> we still new sponsor for the show excellent. Isn't that Nice <hes> smile you know the sponsor makes me smile good. I WanNa talk about text expand. You can turn the things you type often into snippets and use them everywhere that you type type companies use texts expand teams for customer support for reports for email and anywhere else any consistent and accurate text. I own a run a small business do you there are multiple people in that business. 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A shed techs expand a snippet list that focus wherever team every team account and we are therefore able to share a bunch of snippets together <hes> so there we have a level of consistency when we're talking to people which is great so <hes> if like me you're always looking for ways to be a little more productive unique Texas spend US going to handle all over typing tasks leaving more time for you to do what you do best go to Texas bounded dot com slash podcast learn more about Texas Banda right now is text expanded dot dot com slash podcast La Mall today thanks to text expanded from Smile Festival of this show an older relax them so I was thinking the other day and I was going through an entering some stuff in day one and day one is is not a sponsor this program but it should be and they wanted to journaling APP that I use to capture just events in my life and it used to be that I would only capture things that were like really monumental so like trips <hes> things with regard to having kids <hes> and I don't know like when I got together with family that I don't see off or something like that but over the years of become more and more diligent I guess with day one and ends in using it in trying to capture more arguably mundane parts of my life because they are fun to go back on and remind myself of and as I was doing this I was thinking to myself you know what I think. It's gotten to the point that even even despite my deep deep deep addiction to twitter and my reasonably deep addiction to Instagram I think if there was one and only one APP on my phone that I really and truly could not live without it might be day one because it is. As the APP that I think provides me the most joy bar none even though there are some other contenders the most joy in that I think does possibly the most perfect job I can imagine for cat for quickly and easily capturing events in my life and so already. Obviously you know told you my answer the question but you can guess what the question is Mike. What's the one app you absolutely cannot live without? I almost feel baff saying at this point is like instigates instagram. What makes you feel bad about? I mean I think I guess but what makes you feel bad facebook facebook. I get why leave me alone. I get it all you want from me. I know what you want for me but I'm not GonNa do all right yeah I love Instagram is a source of happiness. It is a source of creativity is a source of connection with people I care about has its downside sometimes foam. Oh is thing gotta get very often but I get it and sometimes they get it from instagram but I get it from anything right like yes. It's not instagram for me. I understand why is some people for me. Instagram is on the problem. It's the missing out is the problem yeah and that's going to happen in many anyway right like one of the ways that people I know could share things but people that I know also Sheth things on twitter as well in slack whatever it took about trips that I take on their podcasts and so there's many ways made a feel it but instagram provides me with stuff that I really enjoy allows me to expand my horizons a little bit with the content the I consume the list of people that I follow on instagram so different to the people follow on twitter right <hes> because it's like different types of people different things that I'm interested in that can be represented differently. You know like <hes> I've just gotten. We've just got into queer eye on net flicks. I watched one episode while ago and I didn't like it <hes> and I just we didn't see the first episode was watched a random episode and it's one of the weaker episodes I thought the show wasn't for me <hes> and then I watched it again and now I can't stop wanting to watch it like I love is making me feel so good about everything. So now I follow all of the Fab five on Instagram yeah now as a straight man I have never been in a situation typically in my life will like nick. I've chosen to follow accounts where like the guys that just like mostly naked of time on there is the grim but like I like it. It's like this is fun for me. I like seeing them. I love all of them like the so interesting but that's one of the things I get from instagram. My Cup brought on my horizons a little bit <hes> where I wouldn't in any of them medium right like if I'm following them on twitter is like whatever like on instagram like Antony the chef as a picture of yesterday he's just been he's unaware now Mike All Right. Let's do you look good but like it's this is the kind of stuff that instagram allows me to do because I can like broaden the types of things that I follow like it becomes an important way for me to understand the wall a little bit differently because it's all it's visual and I respond very well to that so and you know I have friends that like they post otwock that they're working on or pictures of their family. I know that you and save them really hate that but I think that's a bit of mischaracterization but I'll let it slide now. So like does function. There's a bunch of bunch of things I enjoy I. I love instagram. I think that's totally fair. In in I have found I I've probably said thirteen times before which means it's probably ally and I just don't realize Saddam lying but my feeling is that with each passing day I pay less and less attention to twitter in them less and less addicted to it now to be clear Casey. I don't victims you WanNa talk about this because I want to be that guy like I am not using to at the very much. Oh Yeah Yeah see I wanna get to that point I really do. I really honestly so. I'm spending time in the APP but but I'm not really reading it when I'm there. I'm just like scrolling yeah now just stopping an but I am. I've spent so much less time on twitter because I've been traveling so much when I travel. I don't really check anyway. It's like Oh checking it. I'm fine an absolute using R._S._S. again to get my news to make sure I'm getting the news that I need analyst looking. It's not even necessarily that I'm spending less time time I am but I'm also paying less attention when I am in the APP right <hes>. I'm not like pouring myself into like I've done in the past of that comes from using the official APP. I'm telling you if you WANNA cut down usage U._C.. Official APP. I have people that try to defend it to me constantly in it ever I it's not good has its problems this a good ap. Oh it is missing features that you want but the application itself is actually pretty nicely made. I don't want to get in this argument right now but I vehemently disagree. I think it's garbage but I think to your y WanNa know why tell me why come on Oh God now. Let me open it up. You know a lot of the things that I expect to happen in the places I expect them to happen. Don't happen happen and they don't happen the way I expect them to. <hes> first of all like anything that isn't directly <hes> based on time. I think is garbage <hes> anytime I want to reply to something I tap the wrong thing. If I want to look at a conversation I tapped the wrong thing private. That's just because you don't know like it makes guess <hes>. I don't know I forget what else it bothers me about it but I do pop into it from time to time you cannot like it. It can be note. You'll style but that's fine but I I don't actually think it's a bad up APP as far as like APPs from companies like twitter go. It's pretty good. That's fair feels nice to meet in the facebook APP. I would agree with that. You know what I mean like. I agree like it is a big company APP so it has that big company feel. It's usually is like weird places but you know they do a lot nice automation and this is pointless. I don't know why we're talking about this but be i. If you WANNA cut your usage down you should try there which is kind of a hilarious thing because twist his whole goal is to try and get you to use the service short right but like if you use their APP you actually may use service less yeah. I hear I don't know maybe I should switch to it but I mean one way or another. I've found that I ah well I'm again. I might be lying but I feel like I have been using twitter considerably less these days and and I think that's for the best and it used to be that if I didn't check twitter regularly out start to get anxious because I would know that I was missing out on hundreds of tweets and I didn't want to catch up and I have long since given up and being a completion EST and now I've found that twitter's moved at least usually in my mind from something that I feel like compelled to check to Oh yeah because I haven't looked at twitter and while I guess I can look at that whereas instagram to your point is starting to be more of a man. I really want to see what's new wants to these days. You know what I mean and and I think that's probably ultimately a good sign. If you can excuse the fact that in screams on facebook facebook is pretty much evil well yeah it'll they won a little bit though sure because you mentioned it and then just let moved on to ask me. Do you use day one for its intended purpose writing diary no no so Welton it depends on how you define dieter right but to me I would say no. I don't I don't have a reminder because day. One can optionally remind you like every single day. Hey you know. Do you want to go ahead and write something. It's that time and I don't do anything like that but and <hes> and I don't typically use it as a diary although I keep trying actually if you'll permit me as a small tangent. I don't really care for time tracking. We've been over that numerous times on this show however I have been trying to create the habit of logging what I do you for work during the day every single day and it hasn't really stuck yet like I hadn't done it since February up until yesterday but I'm trying to create a log of what I do during the day to get a feel for if I'm working too much or too little little in that sense that is more diary like but my regular stuff that I put in day one. It is not a diary. It's just things that have happened so for example the last several entries in my day one yesterday we had Michaela's eighteen month checkup and so putting an entry with a couple of pictures about that the time before that was this past Sunday when I was at my parents because my youngest brother and his <hes> long-term girlfriend were in town <hes> in so we went and visited them and like went to their their community pool and hung outside. Yes I put a few pictures in there and just a quick blurb about what we had done the time before that was passed Friday when we did our traditions like a diary. Well okay so here's what I'm saying right like what is a diary to me diarrheas more about pros and is longer form. I think is because people didn't have phones yeah fair so yeah then I guess in that sense this is more diary like but you know trying to just capture events throughout <music> our lives in it. I like I said it used to be really just in in arguably monumental things like hey duckling was born you know so. I'm not quite that bad but you know like we had an appointment for declan the when he was not declan when yet or you know oh Aaron is started contracting or something like that you know something big I used to use day one for like I would record big life achievements in exactly exactly and that's what it used to be up until the last yeah maybe around the time came around actually and then I started to be less critical of what I put in so so I told you hurry team at the point where our weekend at Mom and dad's when my little brother from California came in those are still fairly early monumental that tie the entry before that was this past Friday when we went out to get ice cream because was Michaela's half birthday and that's a traditional Aaron started that when a kid has a half birthday we'll go out and get some ice cream. It's just a cute little thing that we like to do and on the surface like who cares we went and spent five bucks on frozen yogurt or something like that like whatever but over time I've allowed myself the time to chronicle that because any year it'll be cute to see Michaela at a year you know at eighteen eighteen months it'll be cute to see declan at four and a half years you know and I'm looking at a picture of him like with the ice cream tub tip tilted up into his mouth you know he's slurping every last drop of ice cream from it and at the moment is that a particularly monumental picture or moment Dan really but when I look back on this year in two years in five years and ten years zaken monumental in a way yeah and you know day one does a really good job of time hop style showing you not only what's happened on this day in years past but what's happened at this location in years past and so I just really love being able to relive these memories and it is not terribly often that I'm going to put something. That's like genuinely sadder depressing in here so you know very recently gently. My step grandfather passed just a couple of weeks back and he had been in the family for thirty plus years so I mean he was all but blood at this point and of course I put that in day one and that's GonNa make me sad when I see in the future but most of the stuff and day one is this stuff that makes me happy. It may may be incredible stuff like you know declan finished his first day at preschool like that's GonNa make me overjoyed for for probably the rest of my life or declan completed his for swimming lesson or something like that <hes> but then some of it is too silly stuff like we went and got ice cream but it still makes me happy the and so I think dollar for dollar you know pound for pound so to speak the thing on my phone that makes me the most happy day one because not only does it. Make me happy when I when I ingest what I've written in the past but just the act of writing it down to remember it later also makes me thankful of what I just experienced that day and I think that's super important to yeah. I've just opened my went up and of looking for and it makes me feel like I wished I kept it up yeah exactly and I think that I have a good answer for you on that to be honest like I try to remember every day to think about. Is there anything worth pudding day one and like I said you can do it will notify you if you so desire and say hey you know it's eight o'clock at night or seven thirty or whatever time you want to set it for you know it's time to writing day one but I feel like then it becomes a burden in an obligation and then it becomes not as happy to me. That's just my experience. Maybe you'd feel differently but I really try to you know after the kids are in bed when aeronautics sitting down usually like watch T._v.. Show or something like that. I try to take a moment with my ipad and just think about what did we do today. Is there anything worth saving and I'll look at you know the pictures for my my photo stream and see. Is there anything more capturing here in to be honest most days there aren't but at least once or twice a week I find that there's something that I think is worth saving and something that I think will make me happy in the future and again. I can't trust the biggest tip I have for you. Both you Mike and you the listener is that at the time it may not see monumental but imagine how cool it will be to look at this in one two three four five ten fifteen years in that sense it might be worth capturing after all oh man listen Nessim deep stuff and this is crazy. What are the things that I'm looking at that? We had our first entry today. One was US packing to go to Germany with the armaments and I remember now that the reason I picked up one in the first place was because I wanted to do something where I could chronicle where were with like full-on Geo tags and stuff but I didn't necessarily want to broadcast it to the Internet you know and I go and waves about this sometimes. I don't care if I tell people exactly where I am exactly. When I'm there and other times I get a little more nervous about it but at that point I was not keen on the idea of saying we are at the B._M._w.? Wealth Museum right now you know in broadcasting that's twitter and so instead what I did was I would put it in day one in so day one is also a really great like private foursquare in a sense or swarm or whatever it's called these days in the sense that I can mark exactly where we were exactly when we were there. Take a picture if I so desire and that's private just to me and so my first few I thirty entries in day one our trip to Munich which makes me extremely happy because I had so much fun on that trip and and they want us really great tagging again. This is not advertising really genuinely isn't it's it should be but it isn't it so I just love this APP so much because it has tagging and you can go as crazy without as you honor is not crazy so as an example when I go on a trip. I'll create a tag for for that trip and so I can look at my tags and I can look at things that are tagged W._w.. D._C. Twenty nineteen and I can look at all the stuff that you me or we got into this year very quickly and very easily or I can go all the way back to you know W._B._Z.. Twenty. Thirteen or whatever I I started doing the sort of thing and I don't know I just for me. It's so I I think this is in no small part because I have such a terrible memory. I just love so much having some consistent repository wherein wherein I can place memories and no I can get them out again later quickly and easily man. I'm getting lost in this and telling you you spring back you should do. You should start doing it again like even if it's just once a week even that I think I'll make you happy. I'm going to move it out of its folder or wherever it is put it back home moms Graham it's right front and Center for me on my IPAD and I don't remember I think you probably make fun of this for me. Fate made fun of me for this in the past but my IPAD IPAD has fi folders when held Horton when held horizontally it has five folders across the top or the overwhelming majority. My apps are that aren't of course in the dock the only stuff that exists not in the dock and not in one of those folders is settings fantastic fantastic how which maybe should be on the dock but maybe not and day one everything else is in a folder and was on the dog day wanner fantastic Al Day one because I don't I only use it but like once a day so to me. The DOC is something and I think you told this told me this you know the mental hack but the DACA stuff that you'll be referring to like constantly on and off may or may not be the stuff. That's most important to you. It's the stuff you refer to the most so as a great example notes is in my doc because I do refer to it constantly day one I only use maybe once twice a day but I do want to be front and center on my home screen and and I don't want it to be buried in a folder and on my iphone my very first home screen which is where I do ninety percent of my work if he will there's day one not in a folder front and center. This is an isotopic nick again and and maybe day one isn't for you will meet. Maybe WANNA use some other mechanism fine whatever but I can't stress enough that having some sort of and I want to call it journaling but again that has like baggage to it in the same way that I think time tracking has baggage to it. That isn't really fair well Casey. Let me tell you exactly so I don't want such a loaded word but I think just recording the events of your life especially the big ones but if you're if you're willing even the not so big ones recording recording them in such a way that you can look at them again later super important I mean I feel like for me. I would be doing like it's like a for multimedia experience right because I have my journal the I keep every day but the ability to take screen shots take pictures and post the things that alike monumental things I consider achievements as I've used day one four in the past for a while. I think I wouldn't mind getting back to that yeah and again whatever works for you you mike you the listener. That's what works for you and that's fine but I I can tell you this is how I like to do it and and it's been working really well for me and <hes> there. I'm on their Beta train and there's some really really good stuff coming coming down the pike and I don't recall what of this is a what of this I can speak about one of this. I can't so I'm not gonNA bring anything up but I will just say that there are some really great features coming coming down the line and and for what it's worth <hes> the there is a free version that has no ads it is it is not severely limited but it is certainly limited but the premium version which I do pay for <hes> and I think is absolutely worth it gives you a whole ton of features including <hes> encryption. Oh there's the thing I was thinking thinking of so I wasn't sure if I could talk about it but it is public <hes> it can actually imports St- your photos from instagram automatically and put them in a in its own journals yeah so journals a collection of entries and I've I've a work of a work law journal. I have my journal Journal Journal and then I have an instagram journal where it will automatically pull in stuff that you post instagram not the stories mind you but your regular posts and put those in their own journal and another thing that you can do in this does cost extra money is you can print a physical book that has has all of your entries and we did this once when we were Beta testing that that whole book printing process and it looks beautiful and it's really really nice so <hes> whether or not they want us for you that that's up to you but I can't. I cannot encourage you enough that you you should use probably give they want to try and even if you don't try day one just try something to keep. Keep these memories someway somehow today's episode is also brought to you by I._S._l.. Online or reliable and simple to use remote desktop software you can remotely access and manage devices to provide on demand I._T.. Support it is super easy years. If you work in support you know how tricky it can be to help a client of a problem. It can take ages to navigate. Somebody threw a problem the fun right. You're trying to say all click this source out or imagine even and we've done this trying to do over email text messaging that kind of stuff it is maddening. 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I should apologize for lost episode because I did not give our intrepid attitude jim the correct file and Orient Vacation so if you thinking it sounds like skype was used at some points in the compensation lost episode so you will correct it was <hes> I apologize so I have another apology to make on a previous episode. Listen at Chaz sent a bunch of amazing questions like just want you really feel questions. We have some more today <hes> and one of them. It was about having people get your name. I called Chaz Chris on this is like multiple times. Now I am going to blame took her act for this of course right because I wouldn't just Ri- out randomly I still apologized that I did did it but I I would expect the reason because I rewrite all this stuff into document and so it must have corrected and somehow from Chaz to Chris because I wouldn't read it like that. It's nonsense right like I wouldn't read Chris. If it said Chesa sure Elsa help them saying Chaz CREPE. Maybe Shaw's I don't know because now I'm really paranoid but I'm sorry Chaz this go for a couple of these questions. <hes> was it hard for you to choose the groomsmen free a wedding. Did you feel like you had too many too few choices. I'm expecting for both of us. I'll start and say it was so difficult. I wanted to have a twenty five groomsmen. It was a very very difficult thing for me to to whistle the number down to where I ended up with type and what I ended up doing was like because I had to best men right. I had steven my brother and then I wanted to have like all of my friends is ashes so the way that I did instead of asking everyone just a few people was I picked my oldest front terry to be my one Russia. Because then I kind of like between the three guys I had my wedding pot right like it was the you know it was like my oldest friend my business partnering Confidante A my brother <hes> right so like that felt like a nice mix of like the faces of my life yeah so that was kind of where where I without <hes> for me. It wasn't too bad <hes> I had. He's only remember so darn long ago. I had a best man who so the tough thing for me at the time was picking a best man because I two friends that I at the time was very very well. Three really that I was very close to I'd known for years and the and the other one was the one who actually introduced me to Erin and earns me and I was very close with them at the time but I'd only known him for a couple of years at that point <hes> and in order to dodge the bullet all it of picking the quote unquote wrong friend of the two is known for years. <hes> I picked my friend that introduced tonight to be my best man <hes> and I don't regret that <hes> and that wasn't terribly hard and picking the rest of my groomsmen wasn't terribly hard. However I deeply deeply screwed it up because in retrospect I should've had both of my younger brothers is groomsmen and I did not which was not a slight like it wasn't well? It was a slight but it wasn't designed to be a slight. I just thought to pick my friends and and then in retrospect I I I really do regret at that. I should have had both of them up there with me and it was a mistake not too and it again it wasn't it wasn't delivered thing in the sense that I wasn't trying to make them upset. I wasn't trying to say that they weren't important to me. I thought of it. Was You know I'm GonNa pick my friends. I thought that's what people do in I was one of my first friends to get married so I didn't really think much of it and and in retrospect I I really screwed that up and I do feel bad about that yeah yeah but my thing like list three three of us were me and my brothers and we all have to kind of. We're GONNA we're going to cycle go to reach other right but I also wanted Stephen so I just want to yeah and I and in retrospect. I probably could have done that too with those two friends that I was close with for years and years and years but I don't know it wasn't too bad for me but I I I think mistakes were made to go to speeches so that's true that's point that was good. What was the last simple change that you made that saved you a lot of time for example? This is also from Chaz. I somewhat recently changed to having multiple laundry baskets in my closet so that I can pre close before doing the laundry. That is a very good answer. I don't know if I have a great answer especially because Chaz. It's had simple change. The only thing that comes to mind is that I have added a smattering of home kit stuff to the house and this involved home bridge which is which is the opposite of simple but <hes> but basically in the evening when we start the bedtime routine for the Kiddos the things that need to be turned on our automatically Matichon turned on that's overhead fans lamps things dehumidifiers nature and so <hes> that just happens every night at the same time as long as somebody yeah as long as Aaron or me is in the house and that is super convenient. Aaron is slightly less on board than I am with it. I mean I think she likes it but she's kind of like dude. Why do we need to bother but to me? I I like it a lot. I don't have to worry about flipping. We live in the future future in the summer of await. <hes> so anyway yeah I. I really think that that is I again not really simple. Oh but something that has made me very happy on the surface isn't really that complex even though in reality it's complex. What are you Mike? One of the one of the things that I have done recently is embraced the iphone battery case lifestyle while traveling even on the Max yeah. It's not that it saves me time but it's as me how soaring Ziobro like yeah because my phone is always charged like Steve it will go. It doesn't matter your battery case you can do anything to your phone and it will lost the whole day yeah. That's that's fair point especially on the Max I mean that thing is tremendous. Yeah yeah so I like. How do you like peanut butter and Jelly sandwiches? I don't because I have a peanut allergy Oh do you did. I know that is it bad or probably everyone forgets. I mean it is it is increased in severity is I've gotten older but I've never had an intense reaction. Oh well that's good. I do love me peanut butter and Jelly for for the longest time at work that was I would bring peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich to work every single day as my lunch you so basic. I Know I love you. Love you. Thank you my few too but I would do creamy jiffy around Piper by movin apple and an Douala <hes>. I wish not while onto cheap for that I had a bespoke <hes> wasn't L.l Bean <hes> like insulated cooler e lunchbox evening some basic yeah that that one was expensive but I used it every single day <hes> anyway I did peanut butter and Jelly on whole wheat bread traditional sandwich bread but whole wheat bread <hes> creamy Jif peanut butter although I think we had moved to the more natural version where instead of a whole bunch of chemicals it's just peanut butter and like some uh-huh preservatives and I would do grape jelly low-sodium. Aaron constantly makes fun of me for how much jelly put my p._b.. and Jay's <hes> she says I way too much on <hes> I would argue. She puts no jelly on and it's it's. It's like a hint of Jelly L. E. on her peanut butter and Jelly so I I think the reality is somewhere in between us. Is this the correct answer but I use grape jelly and I do not cut it in any way shape or form. I just eat it whole all right and the last question if you have a very minus superpower what would it be. I'd like to be able to control 'cause tire precious. I could give someone a flat tire if they are roadway talk right by I do hope that this flat tire would be given to somebody not while they were emotion Chaz one I would hope so as well as being little sick than I am jet lie in sleep very much so right now. It's kind of like can think about so my superpower would be to never get sleepy back. I would need sleep but but wouldn't fill the fact if I only had like four hours sleep like it just wouldn't affect main thou my superpower just never to be sleepy. That would be pretty incredible. I like your answer a lot. The real superpower that I want though is the ability to control time. That's like the superpower I want. PEOPLE WANNA fly or whatever I want to be able to control times slow it down not backwards stopping slow it down. I don't WanNa time travel interesting. That's a mess shadows. I I can get behind that too. I really really like that idea for me. I this is. I don't know if this is a very minor not and I don't know if it's superpower not oh but those in sorry there's an addendum to my time travel billy anybody the I touch can also benefit from boulevard the stopping yes so like if I was holding your hand and I wanted to stop time everything would stop except me in you. Oh that'd be kind of cool. There's there's a movie or comic book there or something is is been millions. That's fair <hes> for me. I don't know if it's a very minor superpower not but I would love to have a much better memory. I don't know if I necessarily need a photographic memory. I think that's a bit intense but a better memory I mean that whole diatribe about day one we just got out through is because I have a terrible memory. I can't remember anything day one feel brain yeah yeah actually and no small way yeah so maybe it's not photographic. I may not remember every single thing that's ever happened but just having a much better memory. I wish I had a better memory and ended pains me that my memory is so crappy and so I I would love to have that thank you for the questions jazz apologize again. I apologize everything. Shows is becoming a poll. I Apologize Every episode. It's both of us. It's just the apology.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1354: Cabin Ball

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1354: Cabin Ball

"He's the end telephone snow. And welcome to episode thirteen fifty four of the festively wild eight baseball podcast for fan, graphs. Presented by our patriots orders. I am livered of the ringer. Joined by Sam Miller of. Hello. And how are you? I'm in pick. It's opening day. Happy opening day to you. Everyone listening. You only to fake the excitement. It's the day before for me. And pretender I could say, oh, yeah. How how about that? Shire's degrom dual sings are off on the right foot. Yeah. You don't have to fake time. Excitement. I am excited for a few hours away. So I shouldn't have to fake too much excitement. I'm really excited. I'm going all in on baseball this year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Watch you think you're gonna follow it pretty closely. I. I I'm actually going to a cabin to watch baseball for the next four days a while in a cabin complete immersion cabin baseball. Yeah. It's basically the shining of baseball. Going for which actually there was a baseball bat in. Yeah. That's trace fall movie. Yeah. Definitely are you going with your family or or is this just a you're just stealing yourself away? No, I'm going with a friend. Who was also a baseball fan. I see. And so you're just going to like just gonna watch ball. Wow. Yeah. So it's pretty fun. Hey, I have baiter. I just remember the banter from like a year and a half ago that I didn't get to us because I wasn't hosting a podcast keep going out come back to we'll have you planned out. How you're doing this like I mean, I haven't looked at the schedule to see like how many hours a day? Can you conceivably watch baseball? I don't know how spread out it is. And it doesn't go like after opening day when everyone place there's kind of a low there's always kind of a lull where some teams take days off. So are you going to have a dry spelter? Yeah. It's not a great schedule for cabin ball. Tomorrow is all day day baseball except for one one evening game one five o'clock game. And so you don't have the traditional for the west coasters ten AM to ten PM day schedule. So that's a little bit of a letdown. I mean, it'll still go from from ten aimed to eight PM or since the Red Sox are playing eight forty pm. But the won the game at night will be all alone. And there will actually quite possibly be a little bit of a gap in between. And then the next day there is I don't believe there's any day ball at all. I think it's all night games. And it's a it's like a half schedule. So which is during the cabin. I don't know. Well, I don't know. I mean, we we. Yeah. It's you don't care. But it's true that Friday's going to be a little bit of a letdown. So there's a half and then Saturday works out nicely in Sunday works out nicely. Have you done this before capital known? No, I haven't I haven't. I have done one off days frequently with this friend, but never a cabin. So what prompted this? Did you feel like you were losing touch with your roots or something and you have to go back to just watching baseball like regular Joe or something? Now, I'll know, you know, my, you know, my my two to play player fantasy league, right? Yeah. Which we've talked about here this. He's the other guy. And so we needed to do the draft in we normally would do the later in the month. But which takes about eight hours, but we didn't have an opportunity to to do it this this year, bad schedules. And so this was looming as a good weekend, and we decided to make cabin out of it. Let's are you planning to create content based on this or you're gonna diarrheal. Paul what it was what it was like when I watched baseball. No, I I'm not going to do that. I I will certainly end up with a tick ler full of articles ninety eight percent, which I will never get to. But I I'm not gonna diarrhea. I do have. I think I am going to try diary project later this year, though, for the for I don't know diary projects never work. And when I wrote this diary project idea down in things that I thought I'd like to get to incense to my editor. There was not like balloons falling from the ceiling as they celebrated. My great idea. I'm not sure they liked it to be honest about. So maybe I won't do the dire. But I have an idea, and I might do it. We'll it's that's why I asked I was wondering if you thought you would be able to let go and just enjoy as a spectator without constantly being thinking, I that ESPN writer, and I have to rate articles, free speech. And so what can I write an article about that? I'm watching right now. I mean, those things kind of come to you anyway, but there's a a way in which I feel pressure when I. I do kinda sit down and watch a game to like get something out of it. I need to glean something that will help me in the future as opposed to just letting it wash over me, which is however would like to do it. The I feel no pressure particularly early in the season when I'm still interested in watching three hour games by by June. I'm not gonna have that much interest in sitting down in watching a game from start to finish unless it's unless it's four something I'm looking at because I don't 'cause I've I've had the joy of routing stripped away from me. Yeah. And so so then I'll watch a lot more like short short short bursts here, Nara, you know, like flipping around. This will probably be a lot of full games in a row, I'll be interested. And no, I don't think I'm gonna feel any pressure at all. I I will probably get. I mean, I'm I'm serious. I will probably have forty article ideas that come out of this. So I don't I don't need to put any pressure on said interesting game. Yeah. I did a you know, I did the pizza two years ago. I think. Where it was a tested the theory that every time you turn game. You have the chance to see something you've never seen before. But you delegated for that one. People got help. But I did I watched like I think there were twelve games that day. And I think I watched eight and that was a lot of pressure. I mean, really like by the fourth inning, you start to panic and you're like going over your notes near being like a two one slider or have I say for sure I've never seen a one-sided. But then they all they all came together except for one which kicker, I get the peace. Well, cool that sounds fun. I look forward to hearing about how it went. So what's your year and a half old banter? There was an episode of hangup listened where they talked about football coaches and a football coach was described as a ball coach. I think do you remember this? Yeah. This was an after both it might have been. I think it will. Yeah. That sounds vaguely familiar and. Yeah. So ball coach. Yeah. He's coaches somebody gotten hired and when somebody else had given in. -dorsements of that person. He said he's a Bonggo ch- yet. Like when baseball people say, he's a baseball player. No, no, no. It's not like that. No. It wasn't that. He was a football coach. It's that he was a ball coach. And I thought that ball was baseball that if you shorten something to ball you're talking about baseball. If you go to the ball game. It's the baseball game. If you go to the ballpark. It's the baseball park. If you go to the ball fields baseball field. If you're a ballplayer euro baseball player and hang up, and listen, I think that maybe Josh did doing after ball or something like that on the on the the the word ball coach which got me thinking that baseball has has sadly seated. That that part of the the language, and I one of my goals this year, if I can do it without being to Austin -tations is to reclaim ball for baseball ball as as as a always just say ball for baseball and people will get it. And so I'm gonna start trying to work ball into more things. Right. Maybe that's just a provincial view that we have that. It's baseball thing. Maybe it's not a baseball thing. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know in other sports. I mean like in basketball, you can just say that someone can ball than that. So. Yeah, that's basketball footballer. That's true. Right. That's a good one from the stompers you'll remember that that we had ball out though was to ballplayer and do. So in an outward way, I guess I don't want ball out meant, exactly. But they have the, you know, the taking out to the ballgame is maybe the most what is take me out of the ball game. The second most famous song in the American songbook after lighten happy birthday. Well, yeah. After like patriotic songs national anthem types yet. Yeah. And so that's got ballgame. Right in it. And I think that everybody knows that song. Yeah. And they know what sport they're talking about. Okay. Well, I wish you luck. Thanks, reclaiming it so a couple updates. I wanted to relate here based on episodes that we have done in the recent past. So there is the episode that Meg end you and I did together which we had hoped to do actually today for opening day. But then the scheduling didn't work out. So we're gonna try to do it early next week instead. But when we did do that we entered a question play ball. Yeah. Play ball. Let's get that anywhere else. Yeah. So we entered this question from the brother of a guy named Darrow who is a baseball fan in Australian Spain who has not paid any attention to baseball this whole off season. Just went into a baseball blackout. And he wanted to know our advice for how to get back into baseball figure out what he missed and we advised him just to go into it cold and just to see how he weren't things just kind of organically pick things up. And so I think Meg may have suggested via Email that he broadcast this process, and he is doing that. So if anyone is interested if you're not going to be in a cabin watching all the baseball games, and you want to watch Darrow, watch baseball and pay attention to baseball for the first time in many months, you can go in the Facebook group linked to it. There's going to be a YouTube livestream. It's going to be three AM where area is so he's going to be wearing pajamas. But he won't be watching baseball. He's going to be watching the Mets opener. It will just be his first exposure to baseball for really longtime. So that might be fun. Just to watch his reactions to seeing who's on the Mets now because a lot of new Mets does I count as the accounts and descriptions of this game is see potentially. Well as long as he doesn't do play by play or put the game on the broadcast. I think it's okay. If it's just the him reacting to things think. And it's great, right? The Mets opened the season the meant to the first team to play a game. Yeah. So you can get this stunned out of the way really quickly. Yeah. So I will put the link on the show page. Everyone can go watch. If if you want to. Yeah. So the other thing that I wanted to mention you did a stat last last week. It was about the best game for two year old and you determined what the best game was and the father of three year old rodent to report how that exposure to that game went. So it was what was it August first game of double header was that the the Mets blew out the Phillies completely forgetting everything yet. I think. Yes, basically, right. And there was a lot of action and not a lot of wasted pitches. We gotta video of Hannah watching the end and just report what her father Ben said to us many. Thanks. We can. Confirm that the top of the fifth of Mets Phillies on August. Sixteenth two thousand eighteen is undoubtedly a two year old friendly inning highlights included Hannah insisting every runner take off his batting gloves. Whenever they reached for space Hannah moving from distress to imitation when she realized that the runners weren't falling down. But sliding and realizing that the Mets had bed around by exclaiming. Jose Bautista hitting again and Hannah spontaneously initiating three high fives to hugs and kisses something she does not offer liberally when the final was made. She turned to Kristen and me and asked again, thanks for making our families weekend. Very happy. So good pick. Thank you. Yeah. It was video. I got to see the video. Yeah. Super charming death. I won't post the video his. What he didn't say not to? But. Yeah, probably probably should do that. You know, there were there were there were two Jose's in the lineup. Okay. Well, either way she noticed mobile poses. Right. So we are going to maybe do some emails, but before we do some emails reaping meaning to talk about an article you wrote last week you had a very productive week last week. And you wrote a bet which of baseball's most unbreakable records might actually get broken in twenty nineteen. This is probably a premise that. We've talked about on the podcast just the idea that we're in a real dry spell for records. But if people haven't read this, and they should health link to it. But if they haven't can you lay out the case for why this is a time when no one is breaking records. Yeah. Well, I think it's two things one is that specifically it's it's not an extreme era of of any real sort. It's not an extreme pitching era is not an extreme offense of era and stylistically. It's. Extreme like the runs per gram. It's not extreme. Yeah. He gets her extreme home runs and strike outs are extreme but strikeouts. You've you've got a problem in that. None of the the rates strikeout rate stats are known in the popular immagination, and you've got us severe lack of workload build up to to get a strike out record. And so so you don't have pitcher's throwing six hundred innings. You don't have batters playing in a league where five and a half runs or being scored a game. And you don't have super tall mounds. And then the other backed is that well, yes, there's three. The other fact is the old thing about why nobody hits four hundred anymore. You wanna explain that one of well, I mean players are whether a few reasons for that too. I guess I'm in one it's the strike outs. And that's probably part of it. But also just everyone's better baseball, basically. And it's the the old. Stephen Jay Gould argument about how when everyone gets better at baseball. It's harder and harder to. Be an outlier and to stand out and have extreme performances in. So it was in theory easier in the past to hit four hundred when you had a bunch of scrubs playing baseball and people who weren't actually that good now. Everyone's good. So they're just fewer extremes of every kind. It's harder for the best players to stand out as much as they used to. So that's part of it. Just also the strikeouts. And the fact that the league batting averages to forty eight last year. So it's a big part of it too. Yeah. And you also have the fact that there hasn't been expansion in a really long time. It's been twenty twenty years twenty one years, I guess since there were teams added to the league in. So you haven't had that dilution of the player pool. And so it really is a fairly tight grouping between the the best players in the floor of players. I think right now, and the I guess the third factor is just that they've been playing baseball a really long time, which means that a lot. Records have already been set a bunch. It's not like you're breaking the eight year old record for home runs in eighteen seventy six or whatever because they've been playing so long that lots of people have had chances to hit a lot of home runs. Right. So anyway, the point is that there are there are hardly ever any records broken anymore and good ones. And there haven't really been any good chases in a while. Even particularly this decade, there were some there were really some records broken obviously in the nineties in the early two thousands, which wasn't that long ago and gives hope if you wanna see records broken. But in the last decade there hasn't really been anything. That's even come close to a record that I can think of unless you count a couple of fringy wants. And so so the premise for this article was to take twenty records the twenty most significant records that are entirely contained within a single season. So we're not talking career records here. We're talking either season totals or streaks or single game records. So any? Thing that you could see starting right now in twenty nineteen and ranking those by how likely they are to get broken and considering what gets in the way what specifically gets in the way. But also just a how unlikely it is. Because really until you get down to number two. You can't really imagine any of these being broken. And until you get down to number probably seven, you can't even. Okay. So when I said imagine a minute ago. I should've started with a weaker word because I would say that you genuinely can't imagine number eight or or or below being broken. Like, you can't even imagine it. I did it I had to. But you can't even really imagine these things happening. And so then seven down are like sort of like, okay? Yeah. Maybe I could sort of see that getting broken. There's nothing that's like permanently in the way of getting broken. But like, we're talking massive like, for instance, number five is sixty seven doubles. And that's number five that's the fifth most likely record to be broken. And of you combine the best first-half doubles total for the last decade in the best second half doubles record that second half doubles half of the last decade, you only get sixty eight which is one more than the record. And that's the very best half that any player has had in the very best half that any other player has had out of thousands of players. And and it just barely it's done. And not only that. But I didn't check this. There's a pretty good chance that the first half doubles max in the last ten years was a longer half than the typical first half and the second half, which came in a different year was also in so probably if you really looked at it that was probably a hundred and sixty four games or something like that. Anyway. And that's number five that must have been the only thing you didn't check because you you must have your so. Oh, many stats this article I've ever read or written an article it just so many stats at at that did a decorative way. I just yet. I mean as I was re to get I was like, oh my gosh. Like that sentence to take an himself too. Right. And then the next set. This would be something that was like, oh my gosh. How long did that take to rate? You must've been played. Exporting? I don't know how much did you have help with like Elias cer- ESPN? Researchers know gosh, this one was to take forever. It's a lot of words. But it's like also just full of fun facts and stuff, and it's just like a man monumental effort. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I guess probably not everyone would appreciate that. If you haven't written many stat filled articles yourself in just know how much time can go into extremely insignificant sentence. I would like yeah. I mean, I would like to say that these are I twenty records are discussing. I would like to say that there are nineteen many articles that can all stand on their own as as individual artists, the only one that isn't as the hits. I just basically it was like, whatever. Yeah. Not like doubles, for instance, since you were just talking about doubles. I hadn't really thought of doubles as like the one thing about baseball that sort of the same like everything else is like no one hit singles anymore, and everyone hits homers, and no one really hits triples as much as they used to doubles. Or kinda just like unaffected by anything doubles or just hanging out there. Just doubles rate is kind of the same. As often was I don't know what it is about double that makes them so resist. Isn't to change. But I guess they're kind of like the middle of the pack type head, maybe they're fewer like a few fewer of them just because they're fewer hits in general. But otherwise, not really. Yeah. Maybe a double isn't that affected by ballpark right for the most. Because if you if you have a smaller ball ballpark, most doubles or doubles off the bat, and yeah. With with a little bit of there's like an exception for, you know, some some balls hidden Boston, for instance, or some balls hidden parks like Coors that become triples. But most doubles are just they're just doubles their standup doubles there, maybe their hustled Ables, but they're doubles off the bat in it doesn't really matter where the fences, and if you moved the fence, I don't know this very good theory. Well, I think there's something to it's I mean, it's probably less sensitive to ballpark changes than triples and homers. I don't know about single. But yeah, there is a great hardball times piece a couple years ago by John Larue that I'll linked to that just shows the margin ization of ballparks over the years, the one that I struggled the most with was RBI's, which the I mean, the record is one hundred ninety one right, and nobody gets a hundred ninety one I think I don't know which which of these fun fact, should I read one hundred ninety one Rb is is is outrageous. Nobody comes even close to that. And like when you look at the old numbers, there's all sorts of guys with one hundred seventy RBI's and and Gehrig at one hundred and eighty some RBI's, and in it just seems like it was a crazy era for RBI's. And now, no active player has ever driven in a hundred forty and nobody has come within twenty five RBI's of the record since nineteen thirty eight which is eight years ago. And so. This one felt like it was way out of reach. And I explained that I had originally put it at number eighteen on this list. And then I could not think of a reason why it couldn't be broken. And it just kept moving up one spot at a time until it was number ten and even that feels like not that maybe should be higher because so all right so hack Wilson. I'm just gonna for everybody who read this. You're gonna get to hear me read an article hack Wilson one hundred ninety one Rb is there are three pieces to an RBI total, right? There is how many baserunners you get. There is what percentage of your base runners you drive in and there how many home runs you hit and in. None of those three components may be sides a little bit the home runs in. None of those three components is hat did hack Wilson to anything that hasn't also been done by current or recent players, so he had a five hundred twenty four baserunners that year, which is not extrordinary and our pool holes had that much three years ago various players. Had that that many this decade? It's not uncommon to have five hundred twenty four base runners on he drove in twenty two point seven percent, which players this decade, a bunch of them have have been there or pretty close to their including I noted Alan Craig of all people. And so if Alan Craig can do it, it's not like you're talking about you need an all time slugger knew that. And then he hit fifty six home runs, which is a lot. And that's the closest thing, but that's not out of range either. And so there's nothing about what hack Wilson actually did like I know that that it was an offense of era. I know that there were stacked lineups. I know that baseball was more offense. If I know that guys were hitting four hundred like baseball was very offensive at that point in history. But when you actually look at what he did on the three components of the RBI. None of those was outlandish all of those could be matched right now. And I don't really understand why nobody drives one hundred forty runs ever. Anymore the seasons longer too? So we'll there were some that. I hadn't thought of here, and I didn't really disagree with your ranking about much. I would say you put sixty two saves the single season saves record at number four, which is reasonable. But I don't know. I just wrote about how teams are now distributing their saves much more democratically than they used to in its rare for guys to have high save totals, and it's much more common to have like five or ten saves because teams are just sort of spreading it out and not really anointing a closer who gets all the save opportunities anymore. Just kinda playing matchups and going with who's rested or whatever. So I think that probably makes that even less likely is that true of of like the top ten close linked to our our season leaders dropping doesn't feel to me. Sorry dropping. But I don't know. I think they're fewer people who are getting to like a a threshold where maybe you could start to talk about a record. I don't know. But the. Yeah. Well, and you don't you don't have to that's crucial because you don't actually as I wrote. You don't have to be that good to get the saves record. You just need to get the save opportunities record that every person who has held the saves record for the last forty years has concurrently held the save opportunities record. It's almost it is almost entirely, well, it is it's entirely the people who have had the most save opportunities in his Eason have also had the most saves in a season consistently since the early nineteen eighties at least. So if what I'm basically saying is that the pool of players who could be Bobby pin could set all time saves record is probably twenty of the thirty closers on opening day. But if if only six are getting the automatic save up journeys because of this trend that you're noting than it. Definitely lessens the number of players in that pool. There have been well, I guess in the last few years dropped there were a lot of fifty six eight seasons at the beginning of this decade. But it has your number one is twenty strikeouts in nine in game, which we've talked about many times on the show. And I know that you want to see that broken, or at least want to see people try to break it and have a realistic shot to break it. And I was just talking about the sun the ringer podcast the other day because we did a like a prop bets over under type thing and Michael Barone set. The over under for will a pitcher have more than this number of strikeouts. In a game at sixteen point five, and I took the under which felt weird. But no one got their last year. No one got there the year before or no one got over that is and no one has gotten over since max Scherzer struck out twenty in may twenty sixty in. That's always the kind of fascinating thing because you have strikeouts. Going. And up and innings and pitch counts. Going down and down. And it seems like the innings in pitch count cer- kind of winning out over the strikeouts. But it is very conceivable that it could happen. But it's just whenever someone is making a run at it. Usually he is thrown too many pitches for his team to let him actually go for it. Which is kind of a bummer. Yeah. I I also wonder if what like what we've seen in the last few years is that not only are pitchers not getting extra pitches to complete their no hitters as often. But it seems to me this is like kind it's anecdotal, and I might be imagine it, but it seems to me that teams are actually aggressively pulling their pitchers kinda early that. They don't get put in the position where they have to make the hard the hard poll. You know, like if you pull them after six, then you can go. All right. Well, you know, you don't have three mornings than you. But if pull him after eight like, you can smell it, right? And like packs when he struck out sixteen in one hundred five pitches, clearly could have gone at least eight like he could have struck out eighteen, but then they might have to let him go on the ninth or they might feel more pressure to let him go in the night. So while it is true that nobody struck out more than sixteen last year. That does not mean that it is impossible to or even that difficult to imagine a pitcher striking out twenty like he just has to kind of get the opportunity, right? Paxton was so close he just didn't get the opportunity. Yeah. You have the stolen base stuff in here in Ricky Henderson. And that is I mean, that's a sign of just how hard it is to imagine any of his things getting broken is that Ricki Henderson's hundred thirty stolen bases in nineteen eighty two is only number thirteen on the list. So there have bunch below that that are even less conceivable, but bigger base. Well. Yep. Bigger base. Yeah. That's that could change. Things. But I was thinking about this because I just done my annual article where I will get spring training stats to see if anything notable has changed his league-wide spring training numbers are pretty strongly correlated with regular season numbers. So strikeouts or homers or whatever goes way up in spring training. There's a good chance that that will happen in the regular season two. And basically this year everything is the same as last spring training. So it doesn't look like we're heading for any major changes, which is kind of encouraging in that strike outs were up this spring for like the eleventh consecutive year. But just barely barely barely. So while I was working on that. I had had just checked to see what the royals did in spring training this year because that was the thing that I was looking forward to about the royals that they were going to try to bring back the nineteen eighties and and still bunch of bases. And they got all the fast guys, and they ended up with twenty seven steals in spring training, which ranked eighth all teams. So at the interesting thing is that they led all teams in spring training in. Batting average and Opie s and also on base percentage. So I don't know if it's ED's lugging percentage. They just let all the teams in everything which is also weird. So I don't know if they weren't running because they were just hitting so wealth that they didn't have to run. It would be really weird. If like the reason that they don't end up running a lot is because like Delhi Hamilton is really good hitter. Now and Taryn scores is a hitter. I don't know. It's it's weird. So I'm hoping that they were just a saving their speed for games that count or something. But otherwise disappointed gore reached base fourteen times as a hitter in spring training. He had a three forty one on base percentage. Goodness. He drew eight walks. He had six hits and he stole two bases. In was caught twice. Wow. So. Yeah. Almost more of a offensive force in other ways. It's his on the opening day ouster. Right. He they just answer like an hour ago. Excellent. Excellent. All right. Can I ask you something you keep mentioning the royals? As being interesting because they're going to run a lot. Yeah. And I don't see what is so interesting about it. And I'm so can you lay out your vision of of how this looks because I agree that if they're really crazy out there, if if they're like if they steal three hundred bases I'm watching, but they're just a team that leads the league in steals, while winning fifty six games with a bunch of bad on base percentage. Hitters. I don't think. I just don't think I'm gonna flip over there. I don't I don't I don't might. So I don't have the imagination that you might have. So can you describe what you're seeing when you imagine the interesting royals well in theory, I like the blueprint that they had where I don't know if this is their actual thinking, but they're going to be bad. So they figured we'll just do something different. And we'll get a bunch of speedy guys because speed is exciting stolen bases are exciting. We all agree on that. Right. Everyone likes stolen bases. Even if you think that maybe it didn't make sense to steal as much as. Players used to steal because outs cost you a lot. But I think everyone would like there to be more steals. I haven't seen anyone complain about bigger paces because it might actually two more stills and we're running. So I think we all like that. No. Maybe it's not a big enough draw to get you to change the channel to watch the team if you had like someone who went every time. Yup. That would be something you to watch. Yeah. So they'd have to get to the point where you feel like you're you're gonna see someone go every inning or something than I might watch. But you're right. I mean, just leading the league would not be that interesting. It's not like, I usually tuned into watch the the stolen base leader on a team level. So they would have to like blow everyone else away. That was what I was hoping that they would just be so separated from everyone else that they would just be playing this time capsule throwback brand of baseball. And it would look completely. Different from everyone else. And I mean, they were those like good royals teams of twenty fourteen. Twenty fifteen are probably the most fun teams. I've ever seen. I think. Yeah. They were playing games that counted though, they were playing. Us base. A stolen base is is is really exciting in a game that you're really invested in. Yeah. I mean, it's not a rare occurrence though. And so if it's not a game that you're already invested. I don't know that it would would move the needle. However, I I agree if it were automatic, or if you know if they had three guys who were chasing, eighty five steals or something like that. I mean that would be genuinely fun, and I I am a sucker for the double steal. So if they started if every time they had two guys on they were double stealing. I don't know what I flip over now. But. Yeah. Well, that was my hope that it would just be really in your face like that. Just because it it seemed like that was what they were doing this winter where they were just going getting all the fast guys, if you're going to get all the fast guys than wouldn't you just tell them to be fast, and and Steve lot than so I assumed that they would not put a team together like that. And then not kind of give the green light at all times. But the spring training is is demoralizing behind. Not sure whether that's going to happen. So I wouldn't I wouldn't steal single bay spring training. A terrible idea. Yeah. Well, it's funny. Every team talks about how it's going to steal more basis in spring training. But wait, he's. Talk in spring training out how they're gonna to it once trading over. Yeah. So yeah, maybe they'll they'll turn on the Ignace when the games actually start. Would you be mad if if they really made spring training look fake like if they were like, no player should ever be hurting spring training for for reasons? Other than like throwing a baseball might hurt you, right? But like nobody should ever. I'm just imagining what the fix would be Steven Souza. But. Like if you had let's say they had teams could opt into no slide rules for spring training games. Where you just you don't slide you you can run through every base and just kinda like turn around and then go back to the bays or something like that. If they were playing it like very very light speed in the field or on the base paths. Would that ruin it completely? Is it is there a compromise there? Well, it's not like I'm watching much spring training baseball as it is. So I don't know that you can't you can ruin it for me. So, but people do I mean, people do and go. Going. It's fun trading. And it's fun. It would ruin it. If you were at the park, relaxing in the sun, not caring about a thing in the world and having to watch a slightly different version of baseball. Yeah. I think if you could tell the guys weren't giving effort that would probably affect, but it might be smart. I don't know. I mean, you see like a single Francisco Lindor injury or something and probably Cleveland wishes. They had been not trying all spring just to have him for the months that Topi gone. So Jesus's in months. Well, I don't know if they've said how long it is. But said acute acute sounded bed. So what was the less record chase that you remember being excited about is your mind? Boy, I mean, I was I I've been excited I was excited last year. When my trout was chasing, the war record through may. I don't know if that counts. But I mean, it was only through may do I need to think of one that lasted through through the all-star break or something. I don't know that that I have thought of when really by the way, I guess Lindores not expected to be out for months. So hopefully that will not be the case he was just coming back from the CAF thing. And then he had the ankle thing. Right. As he was coming back from the Catholic. So hopefully, nothing else happens. But yeah, I mean, the only one that stands out in my mind, I think that I actually wrote an article about an actually was kind of a invested in an excited about was each rose pursuit of the single season pinch hits record which was two years ago. Twenty seventeen each row actually finished one short of the single season record John vendor. Wells twenty eight in one year each row with the Marlin. Nhs at age forty three or whatever had twenty-seven pinch hits in that season. And I was kind of excited about that. Because I thought it would be so cool. It's the same person held the single season hits record and the single season pinch hits record. I thought that would be really phenomenal. And that it would sort of tell the story of each rose career and how he was the fee nam, and he had all these hits. And then he just held on and held on and held on. And was actually pretty good that year for a team that was not pretty good. But that I think was special to me also because it was so kind of out of nowhere of like, no one has dedicated pinch hitters anymore. And so it was very much against it's era too. And he was chasing John vendor. While who of course, was known for that. And was playing in nineteen ninety five course field, which if you adjust that obviously the 2017 each row playing in Miami would be more hits than than vendor while so. I really was kinda into that record. But it's not like a well known record. You wouldn't have been able to name necessarily who was the single season hits record, you might guess John bender. Well, but you wouldn't have known how many so that's the last one I can think of and kind of the only one I can think of in recent years. Yeah. I've I've come up entirely blank. Chris feldman. John Vander wal hit some four hundred five hundred seven eleven in chorus field. Well, I mean, I guess if neither of us can really remember one, and we're still watching baseball, and you're going to a cabin to watch nothing, but baseball than maybe we don't need record chases. Yeah. Yeah. I would I mean I would like to write about some of these record chases though. I mean, I think some of them would be a ton of fun. Somebody asked me which one I would most want to see broken this year. And I think that a fifty seven game hitting streak at this point is probably the most fun that baseball can can produce in a season. I think that would just be out of control. I would love that. But my personal favorite would be. And this may be cheating because this is the one that is probably shouldn't even be on this list. It's so absurd, but the thirteen shutouts if a pitcher could somehow get thirteen shutouts that would be something I'd watch. I mean once you got to like six at midway through the season. I mean, you're already watching that guy. You're all every everybody's already watching everyone of his starts and the drama of will. He throw a shutout is perfect. Because a it starts on the first pitch you can immediately start. I mean is e allowing a run is one thing and houses pitch count. And does the game situation. Make sense from the hit for. Itself in the seventh inning, and and so on and so it starts with the first pitch in lasts for three hours in it is a truly immersive game experience. And I think it'd be incredible. It's it's not it's sword. Yeah. Terrible. Terrible idea. I think the most surprising fact in this entire article was the identity of the person who has the longest on base streak. Guess it's Ted Williams record eighty four games in nineteen forty nine. I don't think anyone would guest this night. Orlando cabrera. Sixty three games on base at a row or lead Cabrera that is I don't get it. How could or let the lug base streak than like peak? Barry buds, what get it. Yeah. Well, as you said if we're window Cabrera could do it surely someone better than Orlando Cabrera could do better than he did what did you look to see like how he did it to the like was he walking a lot. Did he have just like a six hundred babba or something during that time? How did he do that? I didn't look into the honest, then here don't wanna know know hearing. Hearing you say this out loud makes me think. Oh, wait. I got that wrong. It wasn't rare. Sarah. Well. For the. I of course, I all these things. Probably. Yeah. Here. It is. Okay. Lander cabrera. Well, that's oh my gosh. Mine. The headline the headline when it when the street out was a good run for Cabrera. Yeah. Here it is. All right. Good. I I mean, of course, I checked I don't want. Anybody listening to think that I didn't check. But it sounded worse allowed. All right. Well, I think I will do step last. This is this is Neil show or not. But whatever will do that last. Teas. She's. This is inspired. By a listener question. It comes from Alex and Alex wants no two thousand nineteen. The cardinals will try to finish ahead of the pirates in the NFL central for the twentieth straight year. That's currently the longest individual streak and the longest such streak by my research in the wildcard era. So this is kind of a record going for a record here. My question. What is the record? I know the Yankees finished ahead of the Blue Jays for twenty one straight years from nineteen ninety four to two thousand fourteen again by my research, but I figured the Yankees way back in the day would have maybe had an even longer streak over a franchise like the athletes or something went divisions were non-existent. But I wasn't sure also as a cardinals fan should I even care about this. Because I must admit I do find myself invested in it. And I want them to beat the keys over the Buju streak, and whatever other streak might be out there. So I got some help with this one from. Dan Hirsch of baseball reference who often helps me with these questions, and he gave me a giant file, which I'll put in a Google sheet and put online for everyone if they want to peruse it, but Alex's researches correctly has those numbers and figures right, and he even speculated correctly about what the longest streak would be wrong as streak, and so this is going revisions, obviously visioned opponents from nineteen sixty nine on. And then just looking at league opponents from eighteen seventy one to nineteen sixty eight before there were divisions. So the longest such streak is thirty four seasons. And that was the anxious over the Kansas City and Philadelphia as so nineteen thirty two to nineteen sixty five the Yankees always finished ahead of the ace and unsurprisingly probably like all of the top streaks are the Yankees over. Someone Enke's over the as AKIs over the White Sox Yankees. Over the Red Sox got up to twenty seven seasons from nineteen nineteen to nineteen forty five. There's a a lot of Yankees on this list pretty predictable. And you do have to really the the ones that Alex named the the ongoing cardinals and pirates streak is like easily the longest actually let's see what the the longest other one right now is the longest active streak other than the cardinals over pirate streak is the dodgers over the Padres. Which is only eight and the us, you're kidding. And actually also dodgers over the Rockies also eight and nationals over the Marlins also eight so yeah, the the cardinals pirates streak more than double the second longest active streak right now, and really striking thing. When you look at the top of the list is not only is it just Handke's, but it is like all old teams which. I think speaks well of baseball's competitive balance and parody like the the only other like notable long ones like twenty or longer. Here are all streaks that started like in the sixties like sixty nine or so and it's someone over the Indians like the Indians were really bad. So like sixty nine to ninety one the Red Sox topped the Indians in the AL east every one of those years that is twenty three consecutive years. And then like sixty three to eighty five the Orioles over the Indians also twenty three years or sixty nine to eighty nine the Yankees over the Indians twenty one years, let's idiots, and that's that's kind of it's like everything else. Basically started in the nineteen twenties or thirties. And I think that is indicative of just how many garbage teams that were and teams that would be terrible for like decades at a time, and we're not even trying to compete. And now, you don't really get that so much except for the pirates for part of this cardinals pirates streak. So I think that is encouraging and really like the only other long one if you look at like two thousand on for instance, the the angels beat the Mariners from two thousand four to two thousand fifteen which was twelve years, but you just you don't get this anymore. So with the the cardinals are doing over the pirates right now is pretty unusual and Akron aesthetic. And if I were a cardinal's fan, I would definitely be rooting for it. I mean, it'd be rooting for the cardinals to do wealth anyway. And to be better than the other teams in the division. But it's also kind of cool story shocked me when you said, the longest active streak was only eight and then I just sort of thought about each division. And of course, you have the Astros who were behind every team and head of every team that whites out one division in the cubs were behind every team and then head of every team and that wipes out another one so really in the rebuilding era. Yeah. It's very hard to keep a street going for more than seven seven years even. Yeah. That's when I wrote the couple of weeks ago about how the National League is just so much more exciting than the American League. Now, all of the facts and figures, I had in my article where like three years ago, it was completely the other way around like you can just, you know, Google in five seconds, and you can find articles from like twenty sixteen talking about how like half the National League is tanking in the National League on watchable. And now it's completely reverse because the teams that were tanking rebuilding or whatever you wanna call it. Then are good now for the most part. And now a bunch of teams are in that down part of the cycle and probably figures from now it'll be turned on its head again. So that's kind of how baseball's working right now. Well, while you were doing that. I was looking up Orlando Cabrera I've got a few little details for you K. You're gonna be you're gonna be. Delighted by them. So I I'll just get a to good quotes out of the way. Well, maybe I only had one good quote, not even a direct quote. But this is from the story about this streak breaking he said he was satisfied with the streak but relieved hit ended. It's not how you're supposed to be with the streak ended. So he he had the same reaction that we did. Which is it's just crazy me doing that kind of stuff. I'm a free swinging hitter reaching every reaching base every day. It was hard to believe I was doing it. Now in the sixty three games. Well this. Two thousand six okay. When he was on the angels. So the day the street began he had an on base percentage of three. Oh one. So that's one detail that you should know another detail that you should know is that during the streak he had an humvees percentage of three seventy two. Oh, wow. I I like those log hitting streaks where it's like. So and so just finished like twenty two Gaber and he hit like two fifty or something like a streak. It's like, oh, he just went one for four every day. So it's it's kinda what Cabrera was doing for ridiculously longtime three seventy two. He had a three sixteen Babb. He had a walk rate research team. That's all that's all he hit three. Oh three during the streak slugged for eighteen. He had three sixteen Babbitt. He had a walk rate below ten percent. He was hit by two pitches. In one of those two hit by pitches kept streak alive. Who was the only way he reached base that day? I wonder how many of the sixty three were single time getting on it must have been less than a lot. Phil. What he so there were there are five streaks longer than his in history. Three of them. Ted Williams one of Joe DiMaggio. And I don't know the fifth. One was my own good. So so here I'll just go quickly down the one time two times one time one time three times one time one time one time one time one time to one one one four who three he's hot to one sauce out there. Okay. What was the longest streak of ones that you see do you see one? Well, it's hard to tell. Got to look at three columns at once in there. Well, all right. That is extremely improbable. Oh in this game. He had one where he reached once. And it was a thirteen inning game. That is a wild occurrence three seventy two. Yeah. When Ted Williams did it. I think it was July first to September twenty seventh nineteen forty nine eighty four games. He had a five eighteen on base percentage that makes more suds Orlando Cabrera not so much. So that was a I mean that was part of that showed up in a few different write ups of these records where the record seems absolutely out of range. There's no we never see anybody get close. It. You can't possibly fathom somebody hitting thirty six triples or whatever. But then you look at the guy who did it. And he never came. He like like the the guy who has the all time doubles record with sixty seven never hit thirty in the guy who had. Yeah. The guy who had the all time trick triples record thirty six. Never Ledley triples never read more than fourteen. And then you got or Lander Cabrera just popping up in an article about records. Yeah. So you can't usually see it building really her. You know, maybe usually it happens in an era that is favor. For that thing. But you can't surly pick out the player say, oh, he's getting close your after year it sometimes it's just this weird out of nowhere performance. All right. I have an Email or to hear the we can answer to to wrap this thing up. So this one just came in as we were recording actually from listener, Eric who says on the whole, which you say the rise of analytics has been a net positive for major league baseball players as a group were they better off when front offices were for lack of a better word dumber. So this is tricky. Because are we talking about the seven hundred and fifty pages baseball players who were on rosters today or the seven hundred and fifty baseball players who would be on rosters in an alternate universe. It's obviously been bad for some players. Yeah. Probably most of those players. It's been bad for don't realize it's been bad for him. Because you know, it just felt like a career felt like their career was to top out at AA, or whatever they didn't realize that it was because of you know. Analytics how the game is. So you know, there's there's gonna be some winners and losers. So that's hard to answer that question in a in the way, that's probably easier to answer in the way that you're gonna answer because you wrote a book about it. Well, yeah, that's true. I mean, definitely it has made it possible for certain players to improve themselves in ways that would not have been possible before on the other hand it says zero sum game. So when those players are getting better than someone else's getting worse that kind of comes back to maybe it's not really better or worse than in the aggregate. I'm trying to think of other outside factors other ways in which the fact that the stats are out. There has made life better for baseball players. Yeah. There's one way that it's made it worse. Right. Which is that GM's in the analysts goal era care much more about not spending money on players, and it is. Probably the case that in a world where nobody had ever invented any of this stuff. Probably payrolls would be somewhat higher. Yeah province. That's that's true. I mean on the other hand like payrolls are higher than they were before at. Yeah. Just because of that buddy, far outstripped or outpaced inflation. No, generally. I mean, they they should. That's what sports salaries do, but they have. So we don't know that alternate universe either. And I've made the case here before that that it's possible that executives are more willing to spend money. The more confident they are in their projections for a player that the existence of uncertainty makes you less likely to want to gamble millions of dollars on a player. And so one might might posit that having more accurate projections. More accurate data about players has made could have made had the opposite effect. Could have caused more front office to be more comfortable giving lots of money to players even though of course, the prevailing trend is to not give money to aging players who were the main beneficiaries of the financial model. So, but your it seems to me that your book. So I think we talked about this at one point or maybe I talked to somebody else about it. But the point of moneyball was that data was making it possible for front offices to basically get good performances from players who they didn't have to pay as much and your book is much more about how players have taken control of that data and used it to make themselves better. It is not about team building primarily it is about players finding the best version of themselves. And so in that sense in the larger self you could say that perhaps you could say that the first twenty years of the analytic Sarah were buying large. Not a very good for players because nobody saw them as existing four players or on the half the players. But that we have reached a place in the last couple of years where it is much more the case that that these these things are existing as tools for players first and foremost in so that would suggest that maybe the next twenty years would be good for players. Maybe we had to go through the first twenty years to get here. Yeah. That could be true. But still they're going to be players who aren't interested in the stuff in that will be worse for them because you're gonna have to be interested in this stuff to keep up with everyone else. Who is? So in a way, it's almost like you have more homework to do if you're a player because in the past it was more like you could just kinda get by on natural talent or natural talent, plus work ethic. Whereas now, you need natural talent, plus work ethic. Plus like an analytical approach so that you are practicing in the most optimal way. It's almost like the the demands on players have increased if they wanna keep pace with other players. So they're kind of making it harder for each. Other in a sense. It has certainly benefited certain players who just would have been gone and now or not because they had some tool that identified something they did. Well, or or the change something that they did. Well, but I just I don't know if that means that it's better for players on the whole than it would be without you could say one thing about the I n I don't know probably this would have happened. I think probably this would have happened without enemies. But it is undeniable that happened after an lyrics. I started talking about it, which is that pitch counts. Got you know, who were reduced a great deal, which has I mean, perhaps has the benefit of keeping pitchers healthy problem. Presumably does that's why they do it. But it's also hard. But more importantly, then there are like hundreds of more pitchers appearing in the majors each year. That's true because. Yeah. And so the pool of players that I don't know if you wanna call they don't let expect that that lower pitch counts have brought in I guess that the shift toward more innings going to relievers. Is what inlet extremely awesome, sue the orders stuff? Yeah. There are just more major leaguers than there used to be though. There are fewer guys. I guess they're a lot of them are just kinda shuffling back and forth aren't really there all year, but still there there sometimes they probably wouldn't have been there in the past. So that's something and all the other stuff that we talk about as downsides like aesthetically speaking with more strikeouts. And that kind of thing that might be negative for fans. But I don't think players particularly care. All right. There's one more that you said you wanted to answer about the best stats to gauge players power. This is a question from Nate one of our patriots supporters into he says curious what you guys think is the best or most telling power metric in other words, if you could only use one metric to highlight a player's power in a given season, which one which us. Yeah. And I don't know if I mostly just wanted to pass along observation that I had recently that was along these lines which. Is that it actually is kind of hard harder than I expected to sum up a player's power output in just one number this came up when I was writing about Bryce Harper recently and Harper's reputation coming up was that he was an elite power guy like like he was an eighty power guy from like his early teens. And you know, he had that he's he's very strong. But he also had that incredible swing and he had a lot of power like we've seen him lead the league in home runs and we've seen them going toward homerun streaks. And so on it. But over the past three seasons I wanted to demonstrate the power that he's had nothing really felt right? And everything that I could summon seem like it was only telling a little bit of the story. And so I ended up with eight bullet points for for to try to make the case that his power in the last three years. I partly it was that I was trying to make the case that his power. Been only pretty good. But not great that he's he has not been in eighty power hitter for the last few years, and I didn't want to criticize a guy who had just signed a thirteen year deal without data that I could believe it in. So I just kept on adding bullets. And so I ended up with homerun per fly ball rate, which feels pretty pretty good, and then I had average exit philosophy which seems also very good. But you know, average eggs of lawsuit hasn't really matter that much if you're for instance, hitting a lot of ground balls, or if you're mainly going the other way, perhaps in your your high exit velocities only get to the warning track the other way who knows. And so then I also had the peak exit velocity, which I know is Jeff Sullivan favorite demonstrating. Just how strong person is at as max. But that doesn't really necessarily seem like. You can pin Bryce Harper. You can criticize Bryce Harper based entirely on that then is isolated power which feels good. But also includes doubles in triples. I think you replied that. Isolated powers the Besson and probably may be arguably it is, but includes doubles, and triples. And then you've got the farthest ball. He's hit as opposed to the hardest ball he said, which I think I only included because I was feeling the momentum of bullet pointing and then his fly ball rate, which is not power at all. But is extremely important to the manifestation of one's power and his non out rate on all batted balls, which now we're getting release attack. But it made sense to me at the time and his hard hit percentage, which again is not at all about power. It is about hitting the ball hard, which you can do even if you are weak, but is arguably more important to producing power than Ross strength. So my what I'm saying is that I. Also, find there to not quite be a one number proof that a guy both has power in his able to to tap into it consistently without breaking those two things apart well in a Arab before we had batted ball stats like hard hit rate or exit philosophy or max at flossy. You would have just use dig related power at or diggers. Yeah. And and that would have been fined probably you would have felt like that was isolated power to be you want to include doubles, triples, right? It's not quite the same sort of power. But I mean, you care about your power output, you care about extra bases total bases. Right. Extra bases specifically for talking about power. So do you consider that power? Do you consider a triple down the line about a power outcome? No. I mean triples are so rare anyway that well you've been sin. Down the line do consider a double down the line power outcome. I think I'd do. I mean, first of all lot of doubles are not down the line. And so you do have your doubles in the gap and doubles off the wall, and those are certainly power. But I think even if you're I mean, a double down the line is usually hit hard if it's not hit hard the guy gets to it. Right. So I mean, I think they're still an element of power there. Every double off the wall is a home run that came up short though. Yeah. But it's it's still power. I mean, they're singles at are rarely hit balls off the wall. That's the one that I think so like. Chuck Knoblauch power hitter. Hit some figures from trying to drive I wouldn't call him the year or the year that he was on pace to break. The all time doubles record when the strike interrupted the season. He had five dinger's. Yeah. I mean, and so I had more tone in my voice that I met he had five dinger's power hitter. Well, what was his isolated power that you're probably not very good. Not that great one forty nine. So now say, you're okay. You feel like you feel like the test was passed. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I think I'd rarely find a hitter who had like a like what two hundred is kind of like two hundred feels like power hitter. If you've got a two hundred isolated power slugging minus batting average. I think I would rarely find someone who had a two hundred. Plus, I so and I thought he's a single sitter. So I mean, you would never find that. So you'd have to have like just a extreme doubles machine who really just hit a bunch of balls down the line and never hit one. Over the fence. But that's pretty rare. I think usually when you get up to that threshold you're talking about a power hitter. Someone I'm comfortable saying as a power hitter. I'm looking at the list of two hundred isos last year, and this era might be a little unusual. Yeah. But I don't know if I'm going to be able to to to trick you like, for instance, FREDDY Freeman power hitter, right jerks and profile. I'm really power hitter. No, jerks and profile had a two four eyeso-. And FREDDY Freeman had a one ninety six Ozzy Albee's one ninety one Matt Kemp one ninety I think Nestle, I think met cups Bauer hitter. He's not good. Exactly. Although he was actually pretty good last year. But he was a power hitter, Anthony Rizzo one eighty-seven power hitter. Yeah. Didn't have a good year though. I mean did for part of the year end part of the year. He really didn't. Yeah. I yeah. You might be entirely right about this. Yeah. Maybe it's just I so I don't know it doesn't. Feel like just looking at these. I don't know what. That's this is the worst argument the world feel. It's what we're talking about here. So I'm okay with that. Because I'm sure Anthony Rizzo must he's got a career two hundred. Plus, you know, who had the, you know, who had the eighteenth highest isolated power last year, Paul Goldschmidt power hitter. Yeah. You know at the nineteenth, no Giancarlo Stanton big tower hitter. Seventeen Gregory put Mark. You know, Gregory plonk. Oh, he's Gregory Palumbo. He hit twenty three home runs. And I don't honestly know how that adds up to us. I sleep at our. But partly it helps that he had six triples, partly. It helps he had twenty three home runs any only played hundred thirty games which have a fair number of home runs. But was a power that you're yeah. He's I don't know that I would I don't know that I'd make the case. If you can add seven more bullet points, you should. If you've to go with one number. One number. I think if you've gotta go with one number I would go with homerun per fly ball rate, and I would put a caveat to that's affected by ballpark. But I would go with home run for per flyable. I wonder if that's staple or I guess for pitchers it's pretty random but for hitters. It's not. So probably works Bryce Harper. By the way. What was I doing Bryce Harper was fifteenth is slated goals? And STAN could've save yourself. Seven bullet points at their. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's weird. 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HOW TO USE THE LAWS OF SALES TO WIN MORE DEALS AND MAKE MORE MONEY

The Brutal Truth About Sales and Selling

1:13:23 hr | 9 months ago

HOW TO USE THE LAWS OF SALES TO WIN MORE DEALS AND MAKE MORE MONEY

"Today we could kind of a different episode it so more of a discussion. A little bit of debate And a whole lot of clarification on sales laws rules little tidbits that I've noticed over my career and we're debating it a little bit to give you some background. We did an episode a couple weeks ago With the sales leader we talked about sales laws sales rules and it got a lot of great reaction. Also I put a discussion out on linked in about it and it went viral and a lot of things in the comments that both me and Andrew Guest Today Noticed and we decided to get on and do a podcast about it. Why is this important because sales it's hard to understand? We have laws and rules so that we can break down something complex and understand it where you know if you do something you'll get this type of result or you can predict what the future will be now. This is not a good characteristic of mammals. We live in the moment we survived for. Today we only care about our next meal or next NAP. We really require a level of maturity thought and concentration to think ahead and laws and rules helps you do this now. This I kind of came up with for myself early in my career because I wanted to really remember what happens if you do something. A cause and effect relationship instead of being stimulus response reactive. I wanted to be proactive. And I came up with these and when I wrote my book you know I had a a ghost rider work with me. My writing was so bad and they thought it was kind of. So teric or bizarre. Even that I would focus on this but there's laws and rules to everything. We have them in society. So we know what to expect from each other. But then when Rene in structures Places where either rules are not written or we didn't read them or you don't pay attention to them or there's nobody there to enforce them. We kind of just hunting pack and this is a lot of fun in this episode. I we typically go half hour I try and keep the interviews to a half hour. This one just kept going. It's almost an hour so if you don't have the time make sure you either start it and finish it up later or if you do. I think you're going to enjoy it because when you hear wraps talking about sales you get to understand different perspectives and this is kind of what I'm talking about. These discussions on linked in the bad part is people misinterpret and when you make laws and rules you kind of now understand. Why their lawyers? Because there's so many possible interpretations of what somebody is saying because mammals react that that the thought process isn't as volve for some people people just knee jerk react and go with the first thing that POPs in their head instead of analyzing it or thinking it through and this comes up quite a bit in the interview and a dozen sales if you've ever noticed that how people react when they see your product or talk with. Eli that's why we talk. We have conversations. We clarify we ask questions that we try and understand. Let's get into the interview if you're in the courses already make sure you're checking out the one on ones in the office hours the turning into pure gold because it's real examples and clarifications in case studies we just did one with. I demonstrated for the one on ones and the success stories that we had with them. And you get to hear the success that other people are having and where they're getting stuck and how to resolve it also make sure you're checking out our friends over at video video emails crushing it rate now. It is a completely great way of connecting with another person Video is the next best thing to being there and you get to see. Somebody's face their emotions Sincerity that doesn't come through text. I don't know about you but I kind of assume when I get an email that it was machine generated today video. You know it's sincere. You know what the person is coming across as so go to CO VIDEO DOT com. Give it a try. See if you like it and tell them you heard about it on the podcast. Here we go with the interview. A Andrew Welcome back to the show. Give us a little update on yourself. A Brian Glad to be back Things are still pretty busy for us where we're doing the quarantine Home Office situation. But I saw your post about your sales rules and you had a lotta good comments so I probably might be able to talk a little bit more about some of your rules. Some of the rules that are working for me and Vipin value to the audience. Where would you like to start? Did you have one in particular? You'd like to talk with. Well sure why we hit like the first one you put which I resonated with Was Revenue Solved all problems? Who's one of your? They'll and I saw some people in the comment. So they're all money won't solve everything and and there's some maybe some mystification around what you meant by that. Oh maybe just asking you. What do you mean when you say revenue will fall? You're okay well you know when you're in a company and you've got a sales team right. There's always friction unless the companies making its number. Okay if the manager's making their number pretty happy if the reps are making their number they're happy okay. The minute any of that goes a stray is when the finger pointing starts is never anyone's fault at someone else's fault it's marketing it's engineering. The product doesn't work the economy's not good. This is going on here. That's going on and I talked to sales all the time and I go. All you have to do is get revenue in focus on closing deals getting accounts getting meat. He's getting all the steps. It takes to have revenue come in. What's the number one cause a divorce money? It's about the challenge Brian. I'm going to say. Hey well it doesn't solve all your problems probably will help you after having a fight with your wife but maybe it will well. Of course it doesn't solve every problem in life right you know. You can't buy another year life right. You can't go down life school where life show store and say here's a million dollars. Give me one more year of course but within the context of sales you know I didn't WanNA put a post out there with fifteen pages of disclaimers right with his. What if you ask legal? That's what they had to do. So I agree with The the rule there as it pertains to sales and what we say are real estate world. You know we're talking to Chelsea but hey if you just worry about selling another house it'll it will solve most your problems because you get one more big fat commission check a lot of goes away you know. The doubt goes away. The wonder if I'm doing the right thing the worrying a lot of negativity. It goes away flasher right because we sell most successful when we're in the flow state. We're in that zone right to be in that zone. You have to have the confidence. What gives you more confidence than having just closed a big deal. You're on top of the world right. You're superman after closing a big deal. How do you feel after losing a deal? You'll like oh man. Is it ever going to get better? Because as goes to another rule of mine where people don't think they react and you see right now and not only do they react. They typically overreact to give too much meaning to little negative things instead of taking the emotion away and saying well maybe I didn't qualify battle. Well enough or maybe. They weren't interested enough. Maybe I should have been in touch with them a little bit more. Listen to them a little bit more and when they told me they wanted a man cave. I should have believed them. An showed the man cave more than I did. The kitchen little things got the really important one. I wrote that down by Walden on your linked imposed by the way going process Andrew. This is not static. Exactly hey you wanna be a maverick or not on the maverick or not. That's the first edition. Shout out if you haven't got Ryan Look I'm not sure publicans. It's really good. It's a sales book. It's not like super granular. Real heavy. Like how how to say rasp packs? This is how you do sales that. I like the way you phrase that people don't think they react to the dangerous place to be as a salesperson. That's all you're doing is reacting and not pre-empting anything it's You're not gonNA close much business and not only that its customers react. And don't think they're not putting together a plus and minus cost benefit analysis of every decision. They have a feeling they look at that house. Why do you bake cookies before an open house so it smells like a home right? That's an emotion that is not logic. That's GonNa Bring me at one of my roles and don't bake kissing before I headed it's You kind of touched on it. And I'm sure it was in the comments of that Great Post Yard which is you know people by emotionally and justify logically. That's like the age old tale tool. So that's kind of what we're getting at. But as far as baking cookies one of my rules is if your competition's doing it stop doing. Stop doing this because you wanna be different and it's easy to say and everyone says we do things differently are this is why were unique. But the real way to judge that. Hey if the bulk of your competition's doing something. You should not be doing that. You need to find a better way a different way. And we take a hard on our end like Baked baked cookies at open houses. I won't stop someone from doing it but I don't think it's probably the high about you. Someone time same thing in in our Beata seaworld lot of agents deliver pies while their client on Thanksgiving. Nothing wrong with it. It's a nice touch but my competition does that. I'm not the Pie guy this. I'm the let me stop money in your pockets. Get you the best deal guy. But I probably won't bring Your Pie. Both the reactions or emotions and a piece of emotion is a reaction is not a logical process. It's a slap on the lake moves. You didn't think about it. Your leg moves. That's our wiring. And what we do as salespeople we think business we talk logically when you talk about money that makes the people who earned that money feel good. The cookies make them reminded of home. And you're right because at the impact of that diminishes because everyone does it no longer stands out. It was probably genius. Fifteen years ago we tend to bad idea because it is kinda hitting an emotional chord there but just along the veins of if your competition is doing something if you're selling whatever it is to some business in all your competitor is trying to get past the gate keeper this way. That's not you need to develop a new way to get past the gatekeeper. Be a Maverick. Do something different to something. Auden like when everyone asks me. What's Your Best Elevator Pitch? How do you handle this objection? Or what's the best subject line and I'm like okay? If I came up with the best subject line everyone starts to use it by law of nature. It's going to become not a good subject line anymore. Economic Darwinism it. Only last so long until devolved. Yeah how many subject lines so you get a day that question. It's like Oh God I know it's been quick question and then there's thirteen paragraphs first of all. It's not a question exactly I've got a question for you want a year that I like What you said. Divide and conquer. Now that can mean any number of things but from a sales perspective sales management perspective. What did you mean by that? Yeah it's actually divide and concur concur. Okay which does get you conquer okay. Let's say you're selling a house to a family okay. What you WanNa do is talk to each of those people independently if you can because when people are together there's a unified accountability a level of protection. That's put there is. I'm sure you've seen it like when all of a sudden either the husband the wife whoever even the kids are off to the side. And you're talking to them in there like there's nowhere near the ballpark. That's going to be an issue or the other place closer to the grocery store or this is a little out of our range now. Would they say that when they're together now see? I learned this early on because the NBA to be a push you into a meeting that they have too many people there and you ask a question like what's important to you they'll be. We're not really sure. Why don't you show us the product? Flip it back to you. If it's one on one the person will be wide open. Okay I needed to do this this and this and tell me how it's different than the other guys that makes perfect sense. Divide in concur kidding. We get that the play on words. Yes that makes a lot of In Our last podcast episode I referred to that. It's like the cast of characters. You really gotTa know WHO's involved decision stuff. But the only way to really know important to them is to divide this and get some concurrent. Maybe you can conquer the situation at the end right you know. How are they going to make this decision? On which House that they're going to buy is going to be based off of school district square footage Build out return on investment affordability. One of those things is really going to come to the top of the reason. They're going to buy it that house versus another house. And if you don't know what that is and you're talking about the size of the man cave with a backyard or the proximity. The Baseball Park. They might be. That's good thanks to Andrew. Yeah yeah that's it and then you don't have the right point to magnify. It makes perfect sense and so unbelievably true. And what I've discovered is a lot of times people don't even really know deter true compelling reasons to do business which is why it really gotta listen and after you good question. Colliding concur they react. They say the cheapest or the biggest or in the one closest to the restaurant we like. But are you going to make the decision off of that and there are always going to tell you the afford more than they really can. Or how serious are they? Yeah that's a good one. Divide in concur that that could be. Its own like five part series on how to do it this collected but okay so now. I was wondering what you meant by that. Obviously I wrote down the wrong words because it is a little play on words. They're right. It makes perfect sense. And you can't miss that one One of my favorites is for me. At least while we begin with the end in mind screwed. Which and it's probably someone said in your comments. I'm sure you've got a lot of really good sales people on there but the key for me is it comes back to the primacy recency effect. Which is hey people kinda remember how things starting helping spinach and you have to begin each meeting. Each interaction with A logical respectful outcome. That you're hoping to achieve by the end of the meeting and if you do that the other side's GonNa be really receptive and hopefully that when you pick things back up it starts well again to be keeping the end in mind also kind of ties into another one of my rules which sailed is not about getting your emotional needs met and that's a big one for people on eight. May this person said this? Or you're getting these little fight when you're trying to negotiate this deal and people want to feel good about themselves tickets it to the other guy even if you're a hundred percent right you do not do that. 'cause you gotTA keep the end in mind in the end is going to the bank. Not Making this guy or girl feel like shit and making you feel good about yourself. When I was a manager I always used to ask my raps. You WanNa be right or you want to be rich chatter away to a better chapter had live. You might convince yourself that you're right but you probably not going to convince them that they're wrong and you shouldn't try to no. That's not the objective objective is to do and even especially like in your business that the end is yes a great deal but a referral for them to say work with Andrew. He's great when anyone asked them. Who's a great person in real estate? Oh Andrew definitely the go-to person. That's the real outcome you want because they become your marketing teams exactly in that person's worth way more than one commission like even you Brian. Someone so we bought a house from somebody. Even if it's a million dollar house big fat commission how about if you had someone with the reach and you know the social prowess or some media proud to say nice things about the Internet last probably ten times more and your commission check. I like the little spin you put on that. The end in mind is not just closing the sale. Are THEY GONNA say. Nice things about me on the Internet. Can I coached him on how to refer me in a true win-win fashion getting clear? On what the end is for you and your clients really important that. I didn't I didn't think of that until just now that makes a Lotta Sense. Yep as it gets you away from the emotional knee jerk reaction and get you focused on the big picture. Stephen Covey's number two principal and he does a story of imagine funeral. And it's yours. Who Do you want to be there? What do you want them to say? How do you want them to feel? I mean that's that's that's very. Yeah Yeah Seven Habits of highly effective people for those who haven't read it. It's a really I guess it's properly rated because it's rated very highly but it really does give you a little mind. Ninja move on your. It makes you think quite a bit. I mean. It's not the maverick with Donald is not that good. But Yeah IT'S WORTH. It's worth read Let me ask you this Brian. 'cause I love this. This is my favorite one in. I read your on that Pope. I said I just got on. I'm GonNa comment on this one which was What's not overtly positive is covertly negative so I think I know what it means. What's asked the master himself? What do you mean by if it's not overtly positive it's covert with negative? Yes because when you're in a deal conversation and interaction with a client. We are seeing and hearing the things we want to see and hear. Naturally we have to test it. We have to have little acid tests. And if they're not calling us back if they're not responding to us if they're not either showing interest or dislike somebody dinged me honors like well. How about if they're asking questions about a certain feature that they don't WanNa don't like well? That's I consider that positive. They're working with you. They're talking through their expressing what they like and dislike. That is positive. What's negative is the knock on your back. They're not texting you back there late. They didn't show up They're telling you what you WANNA hear versus what they really care about what they me. So since it's not overt action I should. I should probably should rephrase it. What isn't overt action is covert bad stuff. Because I like I like the way it's worded. It makes perfect sense the way you're explaining it because people get ghosted. Is that positive or negative? People vacation they could be sick. Could be busy if not overtly positive. You're pretty safe to assume that covertly negative yes and it makes perfect sense across. The board doesn't matter where you are in the sales process if it's not overtly positive and then if you don't feel like you're getting communication the next steps kind of outlined if it's not overly. Hey everything's OK more than likely. There's smoke and smokers a fire in the things on. Its way down right because nobody likes to give bad news. Nobody likes to hurt anyone. Else's feelings you know people like to say. I'll think about it or call me in two weeks and I always say whoa. Let's get something on the calendar. It could be five minutes just so that we both know where we stand and trust me. If you're not interested just tell me and just tell me why is he where we we? Miss Understood each other's requirements. As long as you do that upfront. Like a really good sales person. You should save yourself that the anguish like one of my roles always inspect what you expect right. I believe that but I think that can be. I think you should do something at the beginning and something at the end because at the beginning they're most excited right but then at the end they they may or may not tell you the truth. And that's why I think having little acid test if they won't commit to a five minute call two weeks from now. How interested can they be if not overly positive? Let's like apply in the beginning. In my opinion you just have to make it kind of you said it real quick there because art to it of how to make them feel totally okay. Hey at the end. I'm going to bring it up. What is the next editor? Cool if we talk at the end and just get agreement on it because everyone can agree to it up front and then at the end if you have got to go back to say hey remember at the beginning. We mentioned explains the bill and close for that next step and if the answer is not overtly positive you got right and then it but that had acid test gets you the opportunity to dig in and said well. You seem so excited what what turned off. Do you know or you just got a bad feeling about it. It's okay to share okay. Even if you don't know but you now know that that they are not going to do anything overly positive right so you need to either dig in or write it off. Because we're come up with some other alternative in the tactics to doing that is so important. And a Lotta Times. I use like historical precedent. Because if you're putting someone on the spot like hey why didn't you like it? What's going on? It's easier to maybe get a third party story going on or hey not saying it's the case here but a lot of times in the situation it could. Abc You give them a little menu. Make it easy for them to come to the exclusion right. Because they may not know they're reacting yeah and people don't think they react. Maybe I'm just spitballing here. Maybe it's important at the end of a presentation at the end of the pitch sales. Call whatever you call it your world gay give them a little time to think it through before going and asking for that next step. I do not do you buy. You can say you know from what you see. What's your reaction you go for that emotional thing? Don't ask for the logical thing. Go for the reaction that could be a good rule right there. Go for the reactions a hold on. What's your reaction? I'M GONNA give me. Your dissertation on this. What does every therapists say? How's that make you feel that they don't ask you? What are you thinking because the thinking has nothing to do with it? Make you feel excited. Mona move forward. You don't ask them you know. Give me an exact reason why it's like they love the man cave. They love the kitchen. They love the master bedroom. They love the location. They love the bill doubt. They love the neighbors. The the acreage whatever. It is right when you ask them. How did that make you feel you know what I mean? I can't wait to have my friends over down here. We're GONNA drink beer next. Hey what are you thinking? You're thinking maybe forty two hundred dollars a month from GonNa afford that speaking of the feeling thing and I commented on your post with this. I'm which is one of the rules. We kind of by ourselves team is how I feel sometimes determine how I act but how I act always determine how you in the kind of. It's kind of cute way of just saying you. GotTa Take Action. Sometimes you have to do what you don't feel like doing. We know that but if they go into the gym. Do you feel like going to the gym really every morning. But just because you feel it. Sometimes Navy stops me sometimes. It doesn't but what you do they. Actually you take always will determine how you feel. How do you feel after you after you make your prospecting phone calls after you have a good how you act determine how you feel? That's more of a mindset piece for sales people to wrap their head around if you wanna feel good right yeah. I'm a runner and the first twenty minutes of every run. What's going through? Every runners head is. Why should stop right now? You know my ankles a little sore. It's raining it's a little bit colder than I'm used to. I really do have a lot of work to do. And that's why I always run as far away from my house is possible is then. I have to come back and I don't WanNA walk so funny. I find it the same way at every sales person for the first twenty minutes. They're making their follow up calls or doing the thing they know they should do. They're coming up with reasons why they don't have to do it. I just got my number. I'm good name I quoted and he's not going to pick up you know maybe I'll send an email. Maybe connect with them on Lincoln. Well let me ask the bonus question. Unrelated your runner. You're out of your your your neighborhood alive and filming some content these little video vignettes. You're doing those pre-run are posted on our. There's a separate predinner walk activity there. Definitely pre-run pre roster. Yeah you don't WanNa see me. I Post I happen to you. I'm sweating limping breath. Red-faced wet good for people out there thinking about creating content. Which is why I'm drawn to a lot of stuff. You do like constantly putting stuff out. It's a good little routine to have eighty-four I run outside. You're in nature. If you feel it you pull it out and you hit it if not whatever and that's it because when you're moving physically your brain starts to work the bloods moving and you know. I always think about sex. Sales is kind of my thing and I always try to find a counter. Intuitive point to get people thinking and what disappointed me about that? Post though and get your opinion. There was a lot of platitudes and they're all about relationships. All about attitude is all about whatever and it's like no that's a platitude that's not a rule right. There's probably a cliche and I reached on it that we need to talk more about this because every single sales because you're gonna get the basic platitude but when you unpack these ruled a little bit like. I'm learning right now like that. Divide and concur. Like that's a big step. Like you really listen to that. That's an art. And how you do. And it's going to be different time but just knowing just being consciously aware of that can stop and you're probably GonNa have to take your your a lot better than being unconsciously incompetent Right hit that. Yeah because if you take the platitude cliche and say oh. It's all about relationships. Well not really I mean. I'm sure you have siblings and family members. Are they going to buy a house from you right now and when I do I give them the commission back? Anyway play You're great to work with. I don't get paid. Yeah and a manager wants hammered. My boss on this. He goes if your brother worked at that account and he doesn't have the juice to get the order done. You're not going to get the order so the relationship is part of it and I think too. Many people try to so oversimplify sales. It's a numbers game. It's all about inside. It's all about process or strategy. Now it's a performance right your point about how you act you know. I'm sure you've had great. Sales Calls Mediocre Sales Calls and lame sales calls right. But you're the same guy. It might have been because of them. It might have been because how you felt the weather the house you had all these things. It's a performance. I forget where I heard it. What it resonated at the pine where someone hailed as like a Broadway play by a psychiatrist because it's true because you don't know what you're walking into sometimes like if you're trying to. I'm trying to sell Brian something. I don't know if he's having a good. They're a bad day. Or what is portfolio? Just did or you really have to be adaptable. Inquisitive on on that a lot of that. If you've made it this far and say you're watching this type of content. Probably naturally pretty good at it with the e Q versus the IQ portion of things but But Yeah I mean. I thought the post is really thought provoking at least for me because I really liked to study that stuff. I'm always trying to find little things I can do to put into my process and like the hit one years. Which is if you know what's going to happen. You know what to do it. That's a big one that that is huge. Why pissed that gets you thinking about the future right because we see it now? Everyone's panicking everyone's thinking in the moment and how they feel okay. But if you know what's going to happen and we we basically do why because China South Korea Italy France and Spain. Germany are all coming out of this right. The math is pretty clear out the pre existing conditions in your likelihood of getting it. And how your body's going to respond to? It is mathematically determined. But you have control over what you do and how you react so you can panic and sell all your equities and hopefully buy them back at the bottom but you gotta know the bottom and I put a post out. It was my most popular post where I told CEOS not the lay anybody off especially salespeople and I made my argument. This is temporary. You spent all the money training them. The revenue generating look for other alternatives. By the time. You realize they're gone. You're going to need them back and they're gonna go to your competitors so you know what's going to happen you know what to do. That might be different in the industries. That won't come back as fast. That will take months and months but most is going to take a month and a half to. If you know what's going to happen you know what to do. And I think that's really important to in the sales world is sh if you can show your prospect what the next step looks like. Paint a really clear picture. Of how the fog or you PROB. If they know what's going to happen they'll know what to do. They think that it's so true on so many different levels like basic human psychology. People need that certainty that there's certain on what's going to happen. Of course they're gonNA know what action to take. I think it's our job to eliminate that Pacho with people because they don't think they just react just together right and if you've got a buyer who only cares about return on investment and has a five year timeframe. You want to sell them. The thing that's going to give you the highest return and explain why that because they're thinking ahead people were thinking the moment all we just had another kid now. We need a house right okay. You're going to need this but when you retire. What's your long term plan? How long do you want to have the house? Is this a five year house? A lifetime house is that all matters and people are not good at thinking. Ahead that law or rule gets you thinking right because the inverse of it is everyone says I knew that was going to happen right right. Yeah and I. I got a friend that I talked to about. What's going on now and it's like okay. This is what they're going to do. They're going to start cutting the hours of the grocery stores. They're GONNA cut down. How many people can be in there? They're gonNA start making us wear masks. How did I know this is? That's what they did other place. It's it's not too hard to figure out if you're thinking of Jackie if you're thinking but everyone's got a crystal clear rear view mirror but the windshield is about this far ahead our next meal our next nap in our next day. That's because we're mammals. I think people think of themselves as a person at such a high level but they don't understand what's driving them yet at Olympic rain is in all of us. There's once you're aware of how fallible all of our you me everybody it changes the game which is why I love it so much. Because you don't have to be a supercomputer at Goldman Sachs to compete on his trade. You're working with other people in its limit right. And and that's it and people think it's like ninety percent prefrontal cortex just the opposite. It's ten percent. Prefrontal CORTEX ninety percent. You little reptile brain which is reactive short term survival oriented. Okay right by the flight fight or flight or freeze that accident degrees and then firefly's right and we gotta realize that with clients if we ask a question. Make a statement. How is this going to make them feel? If you know what's going to happen you know what to do. That's a really good exercise Brown mature like I know you're a top performer. In much or if you've gone to management will ask about that but do you have your sales teams to exercises like that. I think it's really valuable when you ask someone to buy something when you ask them to cut the check. How do you think makes them feel? Put yourself in their shoes. If you can start thinking through that you're going to be that much more equipped to help navigate that situation when the time comes because what you are doing your activating that survive apartment owners. They'RE GONNA have to make a decision. What if it's wrong? What if it's not the right step? I think it's good. I'm not sure if it's good. That's the different places to be. You're not gonNA reason with that person would just pure logic. You gotta get emotional site. If you know what's going to happen you know what to do because certainly in your space when people are making the largest purchase in their life the moment before they signed. That contract is one of the scariest moments of their life. They may not be feeling yet. But you might see the shake. You'll come up with all all these little objections. I need more time Let me get a couple more bids from mortgage brokers. Let me look at one more house. Why because that's when it goes gets real and by the way if it's not overtly positive it's covertly negative. I mean they're not they're not feeling this and it's not beat a deep to like when you're dealing with the CTO is making the decision. We know that his or her Asamoah. I can't tell you the number of times I've been you know seven thirty at night the last day of the quarter. I'm in the CEO's office. And what does he do? He's calling in all his chiefs. The person who wants it the person and legal procurement and then probably half the time he goes. Can I make a phone call? And they go to some board member right. Here is a lot of money on the line and I'm thinking I'm thinking a normal sales guy my going for a drink after this and then it's like this is a little bit of panic. He wants to cover space. He's not looking for approval. He's looking for consensus. Validation is because he's a little uncomfortable the Roi makes sense that got the money. They need it they wanted. It does what they expect. There's no logical reason why they wouldn't do it. Yeah that's an intense place to be. I think we've all been there salespeople where you're already told your manager it's good it's in the bag and then this comes in at the end so that's a good one. Here's another one. You said they liked which was Kind of it sounds like of course but there's some real if you peel back the layers it's important. Which is everyone loves the surprise but they really don't like it. When it's a disappointment over this is my real forecasting law why everyone called me a sandbag because the manager wants to forecast look pretty and bake might. The problem is if it doesn't all come in. There's a disappointment and even might blow your number away. They're still disappointed. But that last week of the quarter a deal starts to surface and then it starts getting bigger versus smaller which every other deal is getting and then it closes two days before you said it would go who beautiful surprise and I've only had like one manager. Get get on me about it because he would just how it will tell me about other deals. Why can't you make it bigger? And it's like if it because there's a lot like parents you know. The do they complain about the they complain about the. One B RIGHT. You come home a stray and that's a why don't you get an A. and Jim? Hey that's one of the only classes I did get aid. I Miss High School Game Man. Everyone loves a surprise. Everyone hates a disappointment. Yes that that's a good one a forecasting while maybe not the managers don't love it as much but if they know what's good for them they should encourage that type of behavior. 'cause do you want to set up for failure? I would always start off the quarter skinny. Build it up and everyone else was doing. Just the opposite they would put three hundred percent of pipeline in there and the disappointment disappointment disappointment disappointment and the manager goal. I gotta go help them. Close that deal. I kept the manager away from me so I could close the deal that way to like I. I really prefer to be left alone. The best story is I had this two and a half million dollar deal largest deal in the company's history It was the best and we going up against the end of the government fiscal year. And I had it on the forecast for two hundred K. With thirty percent likelihood you hundred one tenth intent and I started building it up over the quarter but reducing or keeping the likelihood down that my manager talked to somebody else at the company and found out it was closer to two and a half and he goes. Why is it so low here? It's go do. There's so much risk. You know we gotta get buying vehicle. We don't have support from security yet. Legal hasn't reviewed as all these risks. You came in two days before the end of the quarter. My manager was never so happy before in his life thought I was in addition now if I did just the opposite I put it at eighty percent at two and a half and it comes in. They're like yeah. Okay yeah no it makes you have to think about it. Like in thing cannot react like hey. I got news that it's a two and a half of opportunity. Don't just react if they blew my pipeline will check I make it through and think about it like almost like an actuary like an insurance thing. How you're talking about like. Hey while again maybe. It is two and a half. But what are the actual acreage. What you put down there that I completely untrue. What you think's based in reality for the right expectation for everybody right and the same thing when you go into negotiations on a house. If you set the expectation that they can bid ten percent below ask and get it and they end up paying five percent below. Ask they feel like you don't know what you're doing right exactly. Everybody loves a surprise but they hate you. Get fifteen percents low ask. They think you're a genius. Yeah makes less so I I was thinking that rule would go but it sounds like someone in the comments were like. Oh that's obvious everyone loves it? Surprised disappointed now in the sales world. Where you're thinking about how you're setting the stage again. This is a Broadway. Play put on by a psychiatrist. You have to put your ducks in a row. And that's a really good law and like I said at. The forecast is an interaction with the client or the boss is what typically your sales reps we tend to over promise and under deliver and and that's a disappointment. But if you if you're up front with people set expectations a little below what you think you can deliver you overdeliver. That's a nice surprise. You know girl. Yeah salespeople have great at saying something's obvious after they see it happen. Every magic trick is obvious after you see how it works before you see how it works. Its magic the minute you know how it works. It's obvious. Yeah well if you know what's going to happen you know what to do you go out to the all these things all tied together Here's another one. Let's hit another one and I do this all day. So I'm going to keep hitting until you cut me off. This one caused a little bit of You had some back and forth on this one which is people will always do within their own. Best interests and people were thinking well. This guy is avenue empathy is. There's no there's no such thing as altruism. What do you mean by that? In a sales capacity we are survival creatures. We are blinded by our own needs and we obliged by other people's needs because they're not aligned with ours okay. We don't tell the truth. We tell what we believe to be the truth in a socially acceptable way. Okay now can you give me an example where somebody doesn't work in their own best interest based off their identity not just the moment apparent will sacrifice their life for a child that in their best interest not really but in the model and their identity it is. Do People give kid these other people if that's their identity. Okay so it's a variation of it and I think people like to argue but when you thinking about people buying ask yourself what's in their best interest because we're thinking what's in my best to all the time with it. I agree I fully agree like hey. I'm not doing this. Just I WANNA stroke Brian and get married and and provide value to all you got. I want some attention right. I'm doing this for me during the show for him and it goes down basically rooted in our DNA. I don't understand how people can argue period. The people tend to have a problem. Well people don't want to admit this or or they think it's being selfish. You can't avoid it. It's the way we're wires okay. Now there's people hoarding toilet paper tape. That's got a two year supply of toilet paper. Are they thinking about other people? You never know. They might be. Hornet poet paper to go. Deliver it to some church somewhere but the Kurds. Well there's no extenuating circumstances but like you said this is baked into your DNA. You cannot change. This is hard as much as you want to. As long as it's within like your identity your view of the world or just like proven. There's a book called the selfish gene by Richard Dawkins famous. Scientists can't argue with it right. We're born all we're trying to do is survived. Okay and then I. You take an unstructured environment as an example. I'm sure you've flown to get off a plane. Does everybody stay to the right walk at the same pace be considered before they take a turn or stop? Now they get off the plane. They're looking around. They don't know where they WANNA go. They will go with the pace they want they get a phone call. They stopped dead. And you're right behind them. Are they thinking now? Are they being considerate? How's it feel when you get cut off? It's not a logical thing to be upset when you get cut off right. It's just an emotional. That person is doing. What's best for them at that moment? They didn't get up that morning and say I'm GonNa cut off Andrew and traffic today. They're like I can squeeze in. I'm sure he doesn't mind. And you're like I do mind because now after slam on the brakes and it's annoying being mindful being aware which is another different thing and that's a for a sales person. It is important that kind of have that. Mindfulness about shoe because the masses when they get cut off and we're probably guilty to your best. Of course you are because people help people doing that. It's weird. You reducing their social value. That what you are feeling as they are better than you. They think they're better than you but their thinking. Oh you won't mind. There's plenty of space. There's I haven't plowed with this because I kinda I drive fast. Okay maybe not the safest driver my insurance watching and like I've been. I'd have Tesla sometimes driving like I'm driving my car all the time really happy with Atta Automobile. But I'm not unaware that when I cut someone off that happened while I'm hiker where they really hate me. 'cause they're like look at that prick it car tesla look at them and I'm like Oh God I really WanNa be overtly positive. I am so sorry my bad but bringing it back to the sales world. How did that work entails like all the way from prospecting to closure? Okay why somebody going to talk to you? It's got to be in their best interest to talk with you. It's got to be value to them. Not and what blinds us from producing that is well. It's my job. It's my job to sell. It must be your job to buy. Now it's not. It's our job to create curiosity and interest and turn it into urgency in action and to do that we have to bring value. We have to give we have to ask. We have to build that up and we have to think the way they think which is very counterintuitive approach but what most people do is tell you how great your product or services and then it's like okay. So what everyone says that you know. You're no different. I'm not in market right now. I'm all set. Yeah I think once you wrap your head around that concept that does make prospecting that much more acceptable to do like. I'm just trying to see if I can help this. Get what you need. You don't start at interest started curiosity you try and build that you'd probably trying to reference some kind of relationship that you already have indirectly with them. Yeah people in common interests in common relationships in common common objectives. Getting you the House that you want making you aware of the real estate market today helping you decide what you should do. Buy Sell or hold. Yeah that's you know when you're when you're thinking about psychological principles. It's really good that think about how you're going to use your next You know your marketing piece when messaging are really trying to say and these core principles if you you can pull out little things. It's almost like influence famous. Book Robert Chaldean. I'm struggling read. That there's laws to how you gonNA influence somebody but like you said you're not gonNa try to convince anybody of anything when your prospect your job of the sales person. Here's another one of my rules. Laws that you will your job. You cannot convince people to buy your product or service. You have to help them discover why they wanted to. 'cause people will never argue with their own data argue with you all day but have made said no one hits you at the point and just arguing why they don't make sense right because think of any other profession in the world they all have rules and laws accounting law medicine engineering construction sales folklore and really in kinda crazy spoke worthwhile. Wiped out here Brian. What happens is you get by the time somebody comes good at it? They become unconsciously called budget. They don't know why they're good. And they can't articulate is so I had an engineering background and when I got into sales. I have no idea why this person successful in this person isn't so I wanted to dissect what are the elements. What are the consistent patterns? If I lost a deal why did I lose the deal and start writing them down? Because I wanted a lot more than it's all about relationships it's all about trust all about you. Know One particular skill or unique approach. I wanted like what are the elements of it like chemistry like software like construction mechanical process when you break down. Sailed is a mechanical process. There has to be trust the rapport and there has to be some mutual agreement. And then there have to be. And that's why the very common misconception that all salespeople are these on great salespeople Taipei super outgoing Hi De hi I you know. Type of people in some of the Best Lisa Dot com or people in everyone engineers are topped excel to. Oh my God the question the question. It's like really tough but the engineer who can turn to fail person like Ryan and I'm sure there's a ton of people out there. They end up having such a leg up because they're not overly excited. They understand that the process. They know where they are. They know where the props sanctions though. And it makes the game a lot easier right and and I think the big problem for wraps is that. Nobody really teaches them. These things you know that. They're taught questioning skills that taught you know step by step processes but they're not taught that a performance. They're not shown what's good and bad that they're not coached. Based off of performance or actions coached off of numbers. How many calls Jamais Comedy Showings? Did you have things that you can count? Which has an element. Yes you have to have activity right. You can't stay in bed all day and sell anything. You have to get up at a certain time. You have to do a certain amount of actions but what's more important. Is You do the right actions with the right people in the right way. Too many of us get stuck in this belief. It's not working at something outside of me instead of me. Yeah well you learn a lot more from when it doesn't work and that's a semi cliche thing to say but it's unbelievably true. If you do debriefing process though which in your sales rep and you're like wow. I really should be getting better. I have lost a couple of deals. No one even asked me. Why locked him. I don't even know how I lost them. You need to have a debrief process for even when you win the deal when you got up but it could have been bigger and especially when you didn't get it because when you win you don't learn you're high five your buddy. You're going to the bar having a beer talking about how often you aren't really should have been like. I probably could've got a referral out to right out of the gate. And if you lose a deal estimate that commission amount and that's how much you paid for that lesson so you can ignore it or you can document it and never repeat is and prevent it from the next time the yeah. That's a really important especially if you're newer in sale. You're not you'll get good quick. If you're willing to people hate getting feedback and that's probably some kind of psychological last week. We talked about already but no one likes to be told that what they did wasn't parade last. And if you can accept say if I accept this I will get to go to the bank with fatter check right and the number one consistent thing that I saw an interview. In great sales people was that they came from a performance background. Either Athletics where? There's a coach is winning and losing their team pressure. There's performance ours. You got the audience. Are they booing? They clapping you. Get IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK. You get a ranking and alignment. You've got a coach. You get an instructor. You're constantly giving feedback the military. You know exactly where you stand every day. And there's an exact -struction process and is assumed that it's your fault if something goes wrong now if you've been a wallflower and you haven't had any feedback and you've been off to yourself and your shy about that or sensitive to is. It's going to be a hard journey. You get broken and if aid to get broken right if you're a knowledge profession like in counting right it's either right or wrong if you pass the CPA. You're an accountant. You're a skilled account. Now you take that to a performance like a trial lawyer. Okay you pass the bar. That doesn't mean you can win a case that means you understand the law too. Many sleep salespeople have passed the bar but they haven't won a trial and you only get paid for when and trial at that young. And who you want to defend you the guy who has the highest score on the bar exam or the most wins in that particular type of case exact. Same thing all the time. Do you want the agents is GonNa bring you a pie you want do is GonNa get you definitely the top dollar for your happiness. Is You gotTa Take Your Pick. You want the doctor. Who Does you care to your heart? Surgeon brings you the pipeline. You don't give young care nobody cares. Nobody's asking them their political religious stance. Wait a second. He doesn't speak clear. English oh well he's the top cardiac surgeon in the world. You know what I don't care. Save my life a lot like you have to be Another would you really do have to believe that your prospects are better off buying from you than someone else and buying solution and someone else. You were talking about that early in this book. Which is if you're not sold yourself. You'RE NOT GONNA get very far in your field. You're not in alignment with your own core value right so I think I think a lot of people give up on sale for like. Oh I'm I can't get a job I'm going to go sell whatever. It is Internet service or some basic job. But they're not so sold on themselves. Of course they're not going to be successful cool to that that's a key one We'll probably come out of this. I want to touch on this. 'cause you both brought it up. But there's a matrix and we talked about being unconsciously incompetent which simply means. Maybe you saw some of this today. And like wow. I didn't even know that I didn't know that right like Oh. That's what Brian meant. When he said. Divide AND CONQUER CONCUR. So you have to go in sales from being and everyone starts at Saint Place. You don't know what you don't know you're being consciously incompetent okay. At least now. I know that I don't know Shit. And I have a lot to work. And you see this because a lot of those comments which has knee-jerk reactions right and my point they say oh emotional telescopes. Well it's a lot more than emotional intelligence because this outward mindset that I talk about which includes curiosity interest in empathy. Those are very advanced skills that we all have to become good ass. That's putting ourselves in the other person's place that's curious about. What drives them interested in their life. How they get rewarded and a lot of people. Don't have that mindset yet. You have to get to a point where you're unconsciously competent about those things you can do to get really uncomfortable okay. What am I curious about? People will say to me. How do I become curious? What don't you know that you want to know? Assume that you don't know everything. One of my missing become interested in the other person. What I what? Don't I know that I WANNA and the really powerful question? That's what I'm just. I'm just started asking myself that and stuff like this that we're talking about that. Thank God I got interested in it at a age. Allowed me to do pretty well and it's GonNa continue to propel multiple so right. I will say really appreciate you. Keep putting out the content. Thank you let me come on and share. I got a ton of notes all along. I'll Whenever THIS EPISODE COMES OUT. I'M GONNA write down all mine and just put a comment in there. Give a summary of my take on some years but my final rule this auto died actor bust autodial access a fancy word that means you have to teach yourself yes yourself learner if you WANNA make it in this business you better be knowing that you have to pull in drag you up and say you should learn how to get a on you. And it's all their youtube. Everything's there is one hundred percent up to you and the thing is it never ends. I've been doing this thirty five plus years and I think I've learned more in the last two than I did in the last twenty. I've been a student of it and now the more you learn the more you understand what you don't know which does become compounding so you start building off of it. The be player trap is the know. It alls the knee jerk reactions. The it's just about relationships they're not learning. They're not open the not wondering what they don't know so they're not getting better that they're groundhog day yet. Waking up every morning listening to Sonny and Cher and hitting the alarm clock the living the same day year over and over again and if it doesn't go well it's someone else's fault the lion sales pitch is. Hey this guy's got twenty years of sales experience but really he's got one year of sales experienced twenty times because he didn't compound and it's so true it is another one little brain tricks but it is true. Which is the more you know about something especially something back like sales because human psychology is while we're talking and communication. The more you know the more you realize you really don't know right and it just compounds that way. I think like Neil degrasse Tyson about that all time of physics like the more you understand about the solar system. The more you really now. We're beginning you don't have it. Hey I appreciate your time today. Where can people go to connect you I'm on linked in Andrew. I'M DUMB. I've been posting a lot of content on instagram. That's cool millennial. Ju I'm at Undone and again always happy to help. But nobody wants to see your bikini pictures. Just throw up a lot of real estate content logo. Yeah Yeah sometimes my kids if you heard any shrieking through my Microphone two kids at home. So I'M GONNA go take care of them and I'll know where I stand with my wife. If it's not overtly positive then yes cover the negative warned you. It was long but I hope you enjoyed it. I think it's one that you should probably benchmark or bookmark and make sure you download it and save it because it's really a good stuff to hear this and start thinking of the rules that you see the and when something goes wrong see if there was a rule that either already exists or one that you can construct so you can prevent it from happening again. I have found this to be an incredibly powerful tool in both my selling and in helping other people understand how sales works and to get them out of the current moment and think ahead because in the complex sale it really is strategy. It's pretty much up there. We tend to think that sales is just personality that is just relationships are just hard work or just having the best territory in the product. All of those things contribute and I think we do a disservice to our cells by making it either too simple or too complex if without the rules. Don't know how the game gets played. And and when you do that you kind of don't see the things that you should be seen To update everybody on the courses the one on ones have been crushing it Having enormous success and start the conversation get the meaty. Can you think of a more powerful skill to have and sales because I see people doing hundreds of dials day burning themselves out and not becoming passionate about hassling people? Hounding People Sixteenth Touches and sixteen days is not the way to start a conversation and get a meeting. We gotta understand that these are people on the other end not just personas not just decision makers and are they really going to go from. Not Knowing who you are what you do to being interested. Does Anybody Really WanNa hear the pitch. We are assuming the US just because we need to get meetings that they want to meet with us and that now today would just blaming other things and I get it. It's hard I empathize with that. But People Still WanNa talk you know. We had the story last week about somebody getting a a response from fortune one hundred CEO within a half an hour. You don't do that with a pitch. What I've come up with is assistant. Matic way that Scales and people say oh it takes long it takes longer than just a cold call on the pitch but that's under the assumption that they pick up the phone if you take in the total amount of time. It's faster and you start at the stage of another human being instead of a sales person because once you get put in the sales rep zone. Everyone kind of categorize you as that. He can't really get out of it. So why even start there? Start as a human being and this isn't social selling or some gimmick. It's basically a process that I came up with when I started my own company and how I used to close the VP of sales on the training of it is. Let's take a step back. How did I get this conversation with you? He goes what do you mean? I didn't cold call you here. We are talking about you and what you care about. Did I pitch you? He goes. I'm not sure I remember. We did this and that and this and oh. The light came on it goes. Yeah I never felt like you were selling me anything like oh I wasn't. I was talking with you talking about the problem. That is solve that you have and now let's solve it for your clients and all of a sudden the light went on and I started using it as my clothes and I'd get a sign up immediately. Because he he never felt she never felt that I was selling them. It's conversing this is what we do in the real world. Why can't we do it in the electronic world or the digital world start the conversation? Get the meetings a game changer. Right now because it's working and when you here in the office our success that people are having and the light bulb on and all of a sudden I go through each step with each case study and the people are on the office hours. Validating it and you get to listen to the one on ones where we walk through it step by step by step and and Kinda jump over the speed bumps and soften them out the other course closing. The complex sale is now that you've got a deal moving. You've got somebody interested. How do you take it from that? Interest to closure to reference ability. And what are all the elements to it? How do you speed it up? How direction momentum and control over the deel and have some predictability to it. Well you know why not leverage the twenty five thirty years of my mistakes so that you can learn from them you can learn about both courses by going to be to be revenue DOT COM And sign up or you can schedule a fifteen minute call with me. We can talk over if it's a match for you. It's targeted B. Two B. Business to business sales people who WANNA MAKE MORE MONEY. WanNa learn how to sell better? That's the real process. You become the silver bullet. 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Brooks Koepka: All Business

Marty Smith's America The Podcast

56:55 min | 6 months ago

Brooks Koepka: All Business

"They all welcome to the Marty Smith's America podcast. This is volume one hundred something. and. It's an awesome week for Espn Championship Golf is back man the PGA championship is this weekend Out West in San Francisco. I'm thrilled I'm so glad that we're going to get to see a major golf championship and. Of course the first time in twenty twenty that that is happening because of the Kobe nineteen pandemic. The other ones were pushed to later in the year. And this one is on ESPN. A few of my buddies are out there I. Know Michael Leaves is out there vamps out there and they'll be bringing you content all week long and coverage all week long on ESPN platforms of the PGA Championship. I am I'm really excited for you guys to hear the interview. We have today. It's actually a few months old. I win out. Let me give you the back story quickly before. We get to the actual interview. I was at the Daytona five hundred. In Daytona Beach Florida in February got the opportunity to interview Brooks Koepka. Brooks was doing an appearance on behalf of. The PGA championship out in. San Francisco. At the giants. Baseball Park. And Harry Hawking Sma boy he's my feature producer, extremely talented, extremely talented feature producer he and I have done several pieces together for television. And so they flew Harry and me to. San Francisco. So I'm at the Daytona five hundred interview Kyle Busch. The morning of the Daytona Five, hundred race I leave Kyle. Get in a car haul freight over to Orlando Florida. Leave. The Orlando Airport. On a direct flight to San Francisco stayed the night there got up next morning. And went over to Oracle Park and spent the morning setting up that feature and and then had the opportunity to sit down with Brooks. Who of course, is the two time defending champion of the event which was supposed to take place in May but was pushed to this weekend. Due to the corona virus pandemic. and. Now, interview Brooks several times. I I met him at a Nike event at the Masters in two thousand, sixteen I think. It was either two, thousand, sixteen or seventeen something like that. it was before I covered the masters for. ESPN. So I think it was two thousand sixteen. And Brooks was doing a Nike Event and I got invited to the Nike Event, actually hosted it. And that was the first time that I met him. And so anyway, fly out to San Francisco and sit down with Brooks and we spent I. Don't remember exactly now again, it was several months ago. Maybe forty minutes or so with Brooks, not only breaking down his game but also his steely nerve, the one thing that he's known for the most. Other than unbelievable talent. Is. Being completely unflappable no matter. The obstacle he faces he has amazing composure, but he didn't always. And that was one of the most revealing parts of the interview and we have. Harry. My producer mentioned earlier Harry and I did a big piece. For All of our television platforms that will air all week this week leading into the PGA Championship. About how? Brooks grew emotionally as not only golf golfer, but also as a man. And his mother we have his mother in the peace and she's talking about direct. Now you think Brooks's direct talked to his mom. She is she she does not mince any words about her son's evolution as as a person. and. In describing him as a golfer and that evolution is well the the emotional growth. That Brooke says not only experienced but achieved and homed now. into one of the greatest golfers on the planet. Someone again, that I've now interviewed several times and Gosh I. Enjoy Him I. I. Love how direct and honesty is is candor is very rare. You don't meet a lot of athletes that are that direct. As we stated, the first major of Twenty Twenty is here get exclusive coverage of the PGA Championship August, sixth through ninth. On ESPN and ESPN plus where just. So thrilled that we get to watch a major this weekend and we know you guys are the same way. We here at ESPN radio teamed up with our friends at the PGA to give all of you something big to look forward to in two thousand and twenty one this is your chance your chairs guys to win a VIP experience to the Two Thousand Twenty One pga championship at the world. Class Kiawah island golf resort the four day three night grand prize package for the winner and guest includes. y'All book. Look man this is stupid. Round trip air and hotel at the sanctuary of five star oceanfront he'll on the island. I've been there. It's unbelievable. Sanctuary is right worth like I said that last week it's the right way to describe that place. Two tickets to the PGA shallow. In two pairs of wanamaker club tickets. That means cold beer. Travis Rocco that means cold beer. To free one year subscription to ESPN plus stream live coverage of featured holes every weekend on ESPN plus when a year of exclusive live sports, originals and more with ESPN plus for your chance to win go to ESPN. RADIO SWEEPS DOT com. To now, through August eleventh guys, this is not hanging around very long August eleventh as we tape this, it's August third. So that's a week from Tuesday. Are. August eleventh is you deadline? Go. To. ESPN. RADIO SWEEPS DOT com. Now, through August eleven, you can only do it once it's limited to one entry. One Grand Prize winner will be selected. GO TO ESPN RADIO SWEEPS DOT COM for the official rules while I wish you could win thing man I mean I don't have to go there for work I can go there to party that allows to say I don't want to go there for work. I want to be able to have as many beers as humanly. Possible not to worry about you know editing or putting anything together. I just want to go there for fun but I think we're not allowed to. Win It. But the winner could pick either one of us to go without if they would like there you go. If you guys here's this read on Marty Smith's America. And you end up going to ESPN RADIO SWEEPS DOT COM. And winning the package. y'All better. Invite Travis or me I have a feeling they're going to pick you over me. I don't know man I don't know. They might be some cute young lady who needs a date? Not I mean look if it's that'll work for me. But if it's a guy, they're gonNa want to bring the Mardi party we know that. Guys are your biggest fans. So they are that's who's GonNa pick you. That is unequivocal truth man. If you want to see the hardcore Mardi party demographic, it's like twenty one year old college senior dudes. And I'll take man they're loyal speaking of college guys. Reminded me I. Remember we're at South Bend for the Notre Dame team up north game couple years ago openings game of the season on the field and a four or five guys ask you for your photo and of course you're like sure get on end. And they're all excited and they you know get their arms around each other in the line and you look at it and go boys. WHO's taken the photo none of them gave a phone to anybody. Get your photo that they forgot that they need to. Pass the camera to me I think actually end Adams ended up taking the photo, your field producer but they were so excited. They forgot about the camera part Melendez a best man Melinda I mean she they just ESPN front row our. Kind of PR, PR department does pieces every now and then on people worked company and they did one recently on Melinda. Who has been in the NBA bubble now for like five weeks or whatever. and. She is a total rockstar and they are working their tails off they are limit. Let let me explain y'all what they're doing. They are lighting lash shots they are shooting live shot there the camera person, the lighting person to audio person they're setting up all the communication between Bristol Connecticut and Orlando Florida. There of course, doing research and helping their reporters prepare. It's amazing what they're doing, how hard they're working and I admire it so much We're so fortunate to have folks like Melinda another producer mind Andrea Pale down there. Travel up Patrick Abraham's my brother. You know all of them are down there and they're doing such great work and it's fun to watch you know folks like Maliki Andrews and And of course, Whoa. WHOA just down there, it's been fun to watch those guys they're paying and its historic TV I mean, those folks are living history. That's enough. Rambling drivel. Let's get to the interview and again we have Brooks Koepka? And we touched on a tone of different topics we got into his PGA championship victory last year the Masters last year when he had a very unique experience. whether or not it's easy to be friendly on the course bryce into Shambo and their little their little rivalry. And how he learned to control his emotions on the golf course eight if you guys love this interview with Brooks which I certainly hope you do I doing it. Check out the Mattie and the caddy podcast with Boys Matt Berry and Mike Collins Two of my best friends and accompany download and subscribe to Matty in the Candy and Marty. Smith's America where we get your podcast. Here, we go ladies and gentlemen buckled up tight. Here's Brooks Koepka on March Miss America. Are. Brother, we're going to start with your knowledge. Of Your own sport. There is but one man. Who won his first four majors within a two year span. Who that person is. That would be perfect. Group today. It's interesting when you look it that way I never. Looked at it like that. It's it's. Nice to see all the hard work pain why do you feel like you're that person? I don't know it's it's incredible. You look back at the run I've been on and it's it's a wild ride. You know it's one of those things where you don't want to take a second to kind of reflect on it because you you just. So in the moment, sometimes in having this little bit of in the injury you can kind of look back on it and it was it was cool to really reflect on the last few years and you don't. Get to do it too much because you're going all you're on when you're in the middle of this run, how difficult is it to live in the moment and actually appreciate what you're doing. You can't I don't think you can really appreciate and or really understand what's going on or what you're accomplishing. What you're doing. It's I've said it a few times where all look back on and reflect on a lot of things when when I'm done but at the same time Had a three month break and you look back and you see these four trophies. Wow. This incredible. This is something. You know I never dreamed of you as a kid you on the like I want to win the PGA I wanNA masters. I WANNA. Win You know all these different tournaments. Hope, it comes through but just to be able to play in them is pretty cool and then you just take it a step further and win one and you know. There's only so many guys that have won four plus majors be on that list is pretty pretty cool. What would you say to that Little Brooks? Man just keep working just keep going. It's it's so cool to see. You know your dreams come true I don't think. There's not many people in the world where they. Aspire to be something, and then they actually get to do it and I, think that's the coolest thing in the world. I mean I love my day job I. Love It. It's so cool. You know look back at those moments where you know you might be running and you running a couple of miles and you just hate it at the same time. I remember thinking the first major I want I was like that's why I did that I was like that's why I struggled through whatever it is you're going through you know everybody has their ups and downs and those downs sometimes are so low but at the same time those heisman their incredible. How would you describe your performance? The first three days at bethpage Those pretty follows. It was pretty good the was something that. I mean those first few days to kind of do it It's such A. Flawless perfect. You know two rounds I would say that was the closest thing. I've ever played. The Perfect Golf. What was going through your mind at that time? I felt like I felt like he could do wrong You know the first three days even going into the last. It felt great. You know sometimes just things happen where. You just you hit great shots and that's what a major championship does. Get some great shots and you get penalized. How would you describe the conditions on Sunday bethpage brutal anytime, you can get in conditions where it's blown twenty, five and. Quite Gusty makes golf very interesting off tight fairways. It's a hard enough golf course but. He threw all that into the mix plus a little bit of attention. It's It makes it makes for a fun show. I'm sure. So how would you describe your performance on Sunday? It was one of those actually didn't play that I thought I played really good. Almost as good as I did the first three days. For Ten Holes, eleven just had a bad drive and all the sudden you can hit great jobs and you're in there often you've got no chance just kind of depends on your lie had a great shot on the par-three on fourteen and. Herald. Watches, ball float and mine went through it, and it's one of those things where there's nothing you can do it. That's that's what happens when you days but at the same time it was. Very, high, very low all in about an hour. It was It was very satisfying come out on top. When you're in the middle of that stretch from eleven through fourteen and it seems to be unraveling. How do you make sure you maintain composure just stick with the process everything done you look at it you've got this attitude of Hey I'm here to win and that's what I wanna do and you know things can go sour on You know during that stretch, they could have gone sour way earlier too. But that's why you play good enough those first three days and give yourself a little bit of lead a little bit of extra. Just in case something does go wrong. It was a unique to yeah it was New York Kraus's. Now, they're DJ's name throughout that entire period. What's that like when you hear those chance and that your performance in that moment? It was it was interesting. Obviously, golf really doesn't happen that often and then you throw into the mix of wow. I know screwing this up and then they'll let you hear it. It's. A good sporting town does good. Fans I. I enjoy that a kind of woke me up a little bit. Woke me up to the fact of well, this is a lot closer than it really is and you need to step it up. But at the same time, that's I love that I love that sometimes you got to be called out sometimes you got to really be putting your place and and they definitely did that they helped me. There are lot of athletes probably it's not an overstep to say most athletes fall apart. When that's the environment why do you thrive in it? Why did you just say that's how it should be. A lot of times I think people don't tell you know. Athletes the truth a lot of times you know even in your inner circle, they're going to tell you what you wanna hear not not exactly the truth and sometimes you really get to know your screwing it up or when you're doing something great and and they love me no I liked that I liked that the fact that I was able to. Spin it positively I don't know how many guys would actually spin it that way. But for me it was it was something that needed to be done and it was a wakeup call for sure how many of your peers you think could have done that? A few select few you know you got to be mentally tough I think that's that's what makes the gray ones great your mindset, you a party out I mean everybody's talented. But at the same time you got take it a step further and to be able to do that as all mental. What was your emotion when it was finally over? was. So. Happy. It was done. It was exciting to have it to be finished but. Since a relief you know those last hour and a half was so stressful I. Think it took me like two days two three days just kind of decompress from everything that was going on and but at the same time it. To defend I mean it's so hard to actually do that and do it at the US Open. The PJ are both those back to back was was pretty special. What is it? That makes defending so difficult? I think sometimes expectations can get in the way you know I want last year so I should want it again I think sometimes you can but you're looking ahead and that's where I think a lot of nervousness pressure I, think that's That's where all that comes from looking ahead instead of staying in the moment and just being like, Hey, just gotta hit one golf shot and that's it and wherever it goes, it goes and accept it and move on. You know you start thinking about results is when when you feel pressure because you're thinking about what's going to happen if I do this so you're looking ahead so you just gotta stay in the moment. On that note, I'm GonNa. Ask you to look ahead. What would it mean to get three straight? Where would that place you in history idea that'd be pretty cool I. It's incredible to even think about it. The fact that I've got a chance to win know three PJ's rose. That's wild something I never really thought it was ever. GonNa. Happen here I am. So it's it's pretty cool. You have wanamaker's US Open trophies. Let's discuss the green jacket. What would that mean to you to win that thing? Yeah. That'd be that'd be ideal but every year I plus get better and better you understand the golf course a little bit more and really nowhere to attack. Two Thousand and Nineteen Masters was interesting for you. What do you remember about that masters remember Dr One in the water on twelve hard to forget that I was just told that last week by somebody I I played great. I really did I played. Solid four days ago and even the ball the wind water hit a good shot. I know people like you know you gotta aim for the center of the Green. It's exactly what I was were trying to do in the wind just puffed up and. You won't see four guys hitting the water like that all in a row without something going on. Actually backed off my first shot because the wind was off the right and we thought it was off the left and then. I I'd encourage anybody to go on that T- and see which way the wind goes. 'cause we don't even know as we're hitting. That smile while you're telling me that it makes me laugh why what is that? It's just you know there's some times where you can. You can hit good shots and they just don't. They don't work out and that was one of them I hit it exactly how I wanted to. You could just see it climb a little bit at the end and boy we're in trouble. and. At the same time, it was cool to see tiger. Win You know. You got to remove yourself from the situation I think sometimes and and look at it. Loud. That was that was history right there i. think that was so good sports so good for fans good for The players give for everybody involved sponsor doesn't matter who you are. If you're golf fan, that's what you needed to see, and that's what you wanted to see I knew everybody was cheering for him. It was pretty obvious there. And it's it's cool to see. It really is special and to be kind of have a front row seat to it made it made it even better? So I imagine you were quite aware of what was happening behind you as he was starting to make that charge late in the round what what was that like are those roars just different Dita's no. At Augusta, you definitely know you know which player it is by the size of the roar, and then especially with having them right behind you everybody's wanting to try to get a front row seats. They're all coming up to our group You know let's kind of wanted to disadvantages I, guess playing in front of your and everybody's always coming up and. Jockeying for position trying to find their spot but they'll They'll let you know and at Augusta it's incredible. I love the the way Ross just echo in that place and it's it's really truly cool to see. I was standing on eighteen what a blessing unbelievable blessing as he's walking up the fairway. He taps in. And as he's walking to sign his card. You're standing there. Sharply standing there jt standing there ricky standing there Roy everybody all of the young stars of the game are standing. Why was it important for you to wait for him? I wanted to see it. I wanted to congratulate them I hand everything he's been through. Look at where? You know a lot of people don't have the insight and see what goes on when he truly was hurt. You know I, remember I saw medalists and he's out there with Charlie and Everybody. I mean he looked awful walking he really did he didn't looking good shape he was. He was just struggling and you could see it in his face and you can see it in his eyes and to see where he was in I think it was two thousand seventeen to where he is. Now you know it's It's a feel good story. That's that's probably the best way to describe that it's it's neat to see. What chance do you? Would you have given them in that moment that you would see what you saw last year? Oh, looking at a lot of give them a shot I don't think. If I was a bad man on on that day. I. Probably would have said he had no chance of winning. Ever winning again. But at the same time, it's tiger woods never him out. When you fall one shot short. At a tournament like the master especially the masters. How often or to what degree do you go back and look at this shot or that shot is there one that you'd want back? Yeah. I mean obviously twelve would would be the one I went back. But at the same time you made it look closer than it was I think that's you know he he bogeyed the last. You know he he made it look closer than it was you know you look at the I guess the leaderboard now and you only see one by one. Oh, you know I missed in seventeen and eighteen. Listen I hit good putts didn't go in and at the same time I made some mistakes coming down to hang around sixteen just block it a little bit and he makes Birdie. There's there's your swaying Interesting. Go in and. You know to to win a golf tournament play. Really good. Simple fact, and he just did that better than everybody else we. How do you describe your emotional approach to golf? I just try to make. Make the best of whatever the situation I've got I think a lot of times guys get caught up in You know what they're doing and what other people are doing, where's so and so on the leaderboard how are things going on out there? Don't say it selfishly but I'm only concerned about what I'm doing I'm concerned about how I'm GonNa make Birdie on this whole get up and down for par whatever it might be trying to make the best of that situation and anytime I can. Try to improve on whatever you know the score, whatever it might be. Just, get it done. There's no way around it and just get it done. How was that emotional approach developed? It's I. Guess It's been. Fine tuned over the last maybe five six years It was very super competitive ever since I was little I. Think. Sometimes, they can backfire you gotta know when to really push yourself and when not to and I think. Being a little bit older you know the more golf you play the more understanding you have of how you responded Ting's how you understand pressure what? You know certain circumstances. Hey, listen. I'm jazzed up right now I know this balls going to seven hundred. Ninety five zero five just because of the situation you understand how things work and. I think a lot of times. That's why you see is really don't. Come into their own until they're in their mid thirties they've played a lot of golf I understand it and I think. That's what makes golf so unique and so special. What role did Chris Malloy play? In your development emotionally Yeah. I mean he taught me up. That's for sure a lawyer was. He was he was tough on me. I remember. Iran those steps Doke I. can't tell you how many times punishment workouts for everything I ever did. It tell me I just had to be tough I knew. I wasn't born to do this. I, guess a good way to put you look at guys like was destined to be you know one of the best players Justin Thomas was destined to be tiger, all these guys in I I was in. I mean you look at it tournaments ever since we were little you know guys get into tournaments I get into them. Obviously. Politics play a little bit a role in that but at the same time. I couldn't I didn't. have. Any. Scholarship. Offers. So You know I couldn't play all these events couldn't go. I wasn't getting into them, and then you know you finally get into him and you always feel like he got something to prove i. think that's where a lot of that chip on the shoulder comes from. just always having try to prove yourself. You said just a few minutes ago. There's only a handful of people who have four majors on their resume you do and you want in less than two years. That chip right now? How much? How much do you still carry it I think you always got something to prove I've got you know I want to win two major. So I've got a pretty bad to myself. It's not about anybody else anymore it's about what I. Could Goals I. Have Set I. Think. It's great. It'll it'll drive you so far. But at a certain point, you've got to take over in really understand what what you want to make. You know I'm in the driver's seat of of my career and I'm GonNa push this thing as far as I can push it. you know, push my body push, push my gain to the you know. To the limits and see you know when I retire I. WanNa be able to say, wow, I gave it my all I gave it everything I've got and this is what I came up with and I can live with that whether if I don't win another major. Win Ten more doesn't matter I wanted when I leave I just WanNa say I give him all? Let's go back to Malloy second. What was that row? You said he pushed you really hard. How did he make you aware? That you need to grow. So yeah, I think a lot of it being an eighteen year old kid I think sometimes. Say I was slow in the maturing side of things, but it was. You need a little kicking the but every once in a while, everybody needs a little reality check in. Eighteen year old kid going off on your own in college thinking wow, this is great. But at the same time, I'm there to go play golf and go to school. that. was something that I needed to do and they hold me accountable I think that was something that. Needed to happen at that time I needed to develop more as a human being than I than I did as Golfer and that's what you know maligning trae where we're going to do it They were able to get me to grow up as a person and immature you looking back in me either. Trust. When you do though when you look back at that eighteen nineteen year old kid and the emotions involved the way you approach the game what did you see if we sell it? What would we see think who is your hot head I was very, very I run hot. I was passionate and I just never understood why I could. Push it fifteen twenty feet to the right and then you start to understand listen. I I'm even at the flag. Every shot right and it's not going to the whole. So I'm not anywhere. I want to anyway. So why are you gonNa be pissed if you miss it ten to more Feta right? Just make the pot and it's done what just understanding how It doesn't need to always be perfect. You can get it around and you can shoot a good score just not to be perfect. You said some that intrigue me a minute ago about how you weren't supposed to be that were supposed to have this career. Why do you have this career? I've just always had something proof You know I've always believed that. I could be the bachelor I am the best you know everybody every great athlete doesn't matter what sport you play if your that's your mentality, you're going to be successful whatever you do you know to the best of your ability some guys you know we get onto the PGA tour. That's just good enough. They're satisfied the mean that's not the case I'm trying to be the best trying to. Be The best ever plate and anybody that says. They're not trying to do that is to me. It doesn't make sense because that's what that's what we're here for us to be the best you've got to win and win consistently. Couple more things. There are some athletes during our generation and even before who it seems to me did not show up to make friends. They did not show up for relationships they showed up to kick your ass. You strike me as one of those guys. Now I'm on know right this is this is an influence on my part. You strike me as one of those those guys. To what degree? What weight do you put on friendships or relationships with your peers versus? What you're there to do ya think. You've got to separate it a lot of times. I don't I don't play a lot of practice rounds with guys simple as I just don't want to give them information and. They know, hey, if I push one of the right I can carry that bunker. They know how far they hit it and they know how far I hit you know each club and all these different things. So they can get a little bit of gauge out of plate or if I feel like I've gotten advantage on somebody else because I saw this and I don't think most guys would see it. I'm not about to share it. you know called selfish call whatever it's not I'll watch guys watched guys play other holes And just kind of stand back and and take it all in but. You know it's different. You get any clubhouse you can talk I don't mind talking to guys hanging out with them. Obviously there's a lot of guys on in Jupiter There's probably twenty thirty guys. But at the same time I've got my friends I've got my friends that I grew up with guys at around. I don't need to I. Don't need to see him every every week on tour and every week and home to I enjoy getting away from the game my a lot of my boys. They could care less about often and that's kind of. been my outlet getting away from Golf sometimes and I think that's what. Able to make me me. We'll perspective. Does that give you when you're not around? Yes. Men All the time. Oh. Yeah. No, I've always tell me exactly how it is. They'll. Let know when what I've done something stupid when I open my mouth and I should never done eating just accountability. That's what you gotTa have and you've gotta have those people around. Because, if you don't, then you kind of in a fairytale land. What was the five second rule of Florida State yeah And obviously I ran hot but I couldn't couldn't do anything for five seconds after after bad shot I've allowed to let it out and then I couldn't speak of it now. Is it You know obviously I wasn't allowed to Simul Club or break club or do anything to the bag but I could have five seconds where I can Palette and be about it and be act like a kid, and then after that, it was done with and I think that's kind of progressed into the no emotion the know. What you today I think that's what it is. It's just okay. Well, it's gotten a lot less now you know be a quarter of a second but other than that you won't see much. How respected you feel? By your peers and the folks on talks I. I don't know it's a good question I don't I think a lot of them would say that I don't WanNa say. A loner but a lot of you know I'm there to win. That's what I'm. That's what I'm showing up to do I. Feel. I. Feel. There is a lot of respect engulfs one of those things where. You look at it. I. Have Nothing but respect for rory tiger. Justin. All these guys, You know we definitely show to each other, but at the same time. Everybody wants kicked everybody's. But so you know a lot of times. From years from now Rozina kick my butt and kids. It's just simple as and hopefully it stays that way. Mesa Game Fun you want that competitive fire you want that. you want that enjoyment out of winning and but I think with all that comes respect. The Chambal thing intrigues me. What about you go after that Dude Man Up On t I'm going to take a swing at you. Can't troll the troll said that. One of those things where it's Less I said my piece on it. I said, you know what I thought I thought it was. The slow play thing He, didn't like it. You know we talked about it and then you know come out. He told me to not say anything and he just kept going. So I'll let you have no problem with me I'll I'm not afraid to open my mouth. Walk us through your recovery in. Rehab, from your knee, what did it entail and and where are you with it? Yes. Obviously slipping career flew back on Saturday got back to states. I, think on Sunday and then Monday I was in Rehab it was a quick turnaround didn't have much time to think about it God Derek Samuel out in San Diego was important he came in my physio Mark Wall came in everybody looked at it. Would you know obviously? I? AM OUR EYES And try to figure out the best way to approach it, and we figured PT was the best to go about it and I spent quite a few. Nights of Miami. They fly down to Miami and we'd go do some working hotel and. Next thing you know it'd be back in in San Diego and I spent pretty much from the middle number all the way till. Early. January. There before I left for the Middle East Just out there wasn't clear day balls spin until December twentieth and It's only about. Only, hit about five six times before we actually went to play in the Middle East but the. The, Rehab. His Co. well, the process man you just got to understand that every day you're going to get better and better you can have your good days. You can have your bad days and. But, at the end of the day, you're progressing towards where I wanna be I, WANNA I wanna be healthy be one hundred percent and it might it might be a while but at the same time. It's strong strong now, I think. We kind of had a little bit of the wrong approach to it on the the first I go round and that's why think last year bugged me so bad. When was the last time? You went that long without hitting a golf ball. Probably, with my wrist, my wrist issues. So probably what I think it was what? Two thousand, seventeen Other than that. It's been a while. I don't usually don't put it down for three months It was it was interesting. You try to find that competitive fire something It doesn't matter what it is. You know for me it was the rehab process it was okay. Well, now, I can actually get up out of a chair without pain Um you know I couldn't even do a quarter squat and then all the all the sudden you're I've got weighed in my hand and you're trying to find that competitiveness in the rehab process which was Quite interesting as a guy who is so fit and does work so hard towards excellence. What is that like when that is your victory for the day? This was probably the hardest I've ever had I don't know if anybody's ever dealt with the Potala you know the KNEECAP came up and twisted it was in the fat pad So we had to get that off and then you know the tear still there. You know in my it doesn't feel anything like my right knee my rainy. You know I can do whatever I want on left knee I'm still a little cautious on it it's strong stable which wasn't three months ago two months ago not even you know. Month and a half ago. But to have it. Feel like. I'm able to do things now on it. I mean I couldn't walk on it. Without. Not. Sure. If it's going to go left go right. You know I didn't know what it was going to do but to be able to feel strong and stable is has been a big key in this whole process. A Gas He was honest. I mean I enjoy him so much man. Let me tell you another cool thing about Brooks captain. So I don't know when it was. It was a couple maybe his last month or two months ago. A massive shows up on a porch I mean massive. And what is this so opened the boxer. And it is a black box that is probably three feet long. With, a huge bouquet on the emblazoned on the box. Brooks' Personal Logo K.. So I'm like, what is this man? So I open it up and Brooks sent to many of his friends and I'm I guess media that cover him or whatever. these welcome back to sports boxes with. like Caramel popcorn and cheesy popcorn, which was a sponsor of his and forgive me I can't remember the name of Popcorn Sorry Brooks. and. MICHELOB ULTRAS because. That's one of Brooks's big sponsors as michelob ultra. And so it was popcorn and beer and he had a personal note in the box. You know welcome back to sports. We've all missed it so much. And I just thought that was so cool that he sent that to me of all people but I felt like it was really nice human I was really grateful for that and the the popcorn lasted probably two days in my house and the coal beard lasted more like. There, were I think there were four beers in the box and I think they lasted about ninety minutes Lasts long enough to get cold. Yeah, I. Mean I got him cold. So let's say that's an forty, five minute experience Helen Long does it take to make a warm Beer Co. forty, five minutes? I don't know that's a that's a good question. You know the do you know the country boy? Do you know the spin technique? You put in a bed of ice? Spin it. Yeah. I mean that's very quick. You can get your beer ice cold and like ten minutes if you're in a bad spot. Yeah that's something that you can do y'all America's ready to get back to work I. Know I am praying for college football that's a whole other rabbit hole. We don't need to go down on this podcast but. I mean we're making some headway. It's time for ask Marty. This week. At this one I went back to a couple of the tweets that pushed out there. There's some good questions I I can't believe that I missed a swan came look back on July twelfth from at Mac underscore ion underscored tr, who is the best fictional sports star ever The. Best Fictional Sports Bar Fictional sports. Star. So the movie was five ten PM. As as we take this, you can tell where my is. The greatest fictional sports star Ooh that's really hard for me man because I'm such a first of all. They're so medium. Meka go all the way back to Deniro in raging bull and all that stuff right? So. I. Mean He was fictional right? I don't know that's not based on a true story. I don't think so. Well. That shows what you and I know. Anyway. I mean for me personally I just watched so I have been scouring. The TV guide. For. Win Days of thunder would be all anywhere. I don't Care Channel Five, thousand, two, hundred, and eight junior. You can search it right in just learned. Okay you. Laney teach you. Yes. I just learned that, and so I was thrilled to learn that one of these super obscure network somewhere I see for IV tea or Donna. They had it on. Last Saturday at like two in the afternoon was when it started it's weird time but that's what time it was. Two thirty owner so I. I have watched it twice already in two days. And? How great is that movie man that move movie is the best. And trickle, do you want me to upset you? You don't like it or you never seen it which I've never seen it? Golly son you have to do better. That's your Homework Travis Homework is to go on the t network I Y. Z whatever it was. Go. Do you even have what are you? How do you consume television? I've got cable I've got prime I'll I'll find it. Okay to go watch the thunder man you have to. An Rowdy Burns Michael Rooker character in days of thunder is, is, of course, based on Dale Earnhardt and the aggressiveness and all of that phenomenal character Robert Duval's character I. Don't know if that counts as a sports star because he was the crew chief. In days of thunder. I Love Major League so much too. I love all I love all those characters whether it's Pedro Serrano. Whether it's wild thing bomb whether it's Edi hairs is one of the funniest characters ever for me you trying to me Jesus. Christ, Kane hit a curve ball I mean. This. Movie Jake Taylor on and on and on. So I love. Major. League. I would consider Uncle Rico in the polian dynamite to be a fictitious sports star. So I'm throwing him in this argument that sounds wondering if you're going to go with I, mean Hell we had alkyl Rico on the podcast for crying out loud. The thing is you can't. You can't count like remember the titans you can't count junction boys you can't count. Friday Night Lights 'cause all of those are real people in in terms of the movie. Now, there were fictitious characters in the Friday Night Lights Television series you could go there. Whether. That's Jason Street the quarterback whether that's Riggins. Whether that's smash Williams all those guys were I forget Michael B. Jordan's. Character, in Friday Night Lights. I, forget his name. I remember Sarasin in Friday Night Lights but Michael Jordan wound up being the biggest star of all of them and him and I guess Taylor Quiche Quiche is a Kish, Taylor? Cash. The guy that played riggins he's a pretty big star. He's been in some big Tom Monster feature films. What are some are? No I'm forgetting. Like Roy Hobbs. What about Roy was that plus I don't mind would have to be Charlie tweeted from far staples. Great one that's a great one twenty dollars a good one. Twitter drinks fears because twitter spears. That's a great question. That's a great question. You know you could. There's also all the other movies that I haven't mentioned. There's so many great racing movies. I just chose days of thunder six pack has a ton of amazing characters in it. Shane Falco from the replacements. Kathy Ireland. was pretty good and necessary roughness. Of rendered you. Speechless Travis. It's funny. That's a little bit of an inside joke between Travis and me because. We have we are I will just go ahead and say. We are efforting getting Kathy Ireland as our guest. On the PODCAST. I- I slid into Kathy Ireland's DM's man. I just sent her a direct message and she had been a Like mentioned my book on social, media. And she loved my book and I was of course blown away by this. for a lot of reasons and. So I just was like well, she has any clue who I am my book. Why don't I? Just ask. And so I asked and she said, yes, you would love to do it and Travis has been efforting that with her public relations. Team. Over the last week or so is that an accurate depiction? Yes she's a busy woman trying to find time to lock it in, but we will have at some point she only has like. Three billion dollars. Wasn't aware to. Like ten different hats, who's a mogul? She's a business mogul. Bro Yeah I mean she is unbelievably successful. and has so many. Like I love people. I'm fascinated by people. Like her. I WANNA interview people that inspire me. One thing about US especially me as. I will bother people to the point where I think they'd give us the guests just so I will leave him alone. You really really your persistence there's no doubt. I don't take no for an answer out. You know they'll say email me in a couple of weeks like. All right. So I'll just keep bothering them until they finally just given. That's one thing that makes Travis Gre- is. I I will tell you all this not only. Is he my friend? But I never ever ever have to question effort. On know if I ask him something and I asked him to do something for me. Unless he's in the moment producing Scott Van Pelt. podcast or doing something else that is important to commandeer his time. He is immediately on it, and even if the answer is I, can't or I don't know or it's not happening I know. that. That's the truth because he is a grinder. And I love I. Don't. I don't want anybody else do in my pocket S. And you know it was interesting when the masters asked me. To be involved in their podcast. They asked me what I needed. Their quest there one that like they. They said Marty. What do you need for this to be great And I said, I only need one thing on the Travis Rocco I need my producer Mortis Miss America. and. is going to be great. and they very kindly adhere to that, and we have had a blast like a blast doing that can't wait until November when we do it again. I appreciate those words but before I'm next question I, need you to give me at least. One does have to be your absolute by at least one name you have to answer the question I'll do have to answer the question. Okay I'M GONNA say. My favorite, fictional. My favorite. Fictional character. Ball player ever. I'm GONNA go riggins. That's a good one. Yeah. I'm going riggins man that's me Lane I. I don't know if you understand. How much I loved The Friday Night Lights Television series. So my favorite television series ever. And there's a lot of the writing was brilliant Peterberg was the director. who also, of course was director of the Friday Night Lights Movie I love that coach Taylor. and. The whole the way that that that character was played. With. So much like empathy and the way that they wrote the familial dynamic. Between coach, Taylor Tammy, Taylor his wife, and. The way that they really develop the character. So deeply, it was just unbelievable aside from the football which I look like you guys know me by now. You know how much I love. The entire high school football mystique, the entire. Thread. That is high school football. That was only that was what got me there. It was the great writing in the character development and And really really immersive. The immersive entertainment that that thing was is, what kept me there? I just love it. So I'm going. I'm going with Tam Reagan's. As my favorite fictional sports star ever. The question comes from Stephen Billiard. This comes but goes back to a couple of years ago. Can you ever put too much butter on corn? Bread. No. No you cannot. You cannot in. that it doesn't matter what type of corn bread it is. It doesn't matter if it's be. Tight that's not as sweet. Mom always made sweet corn bread. And so it's like pound cake almost it's so delicious. And you can slather that in real butter is better than I remember when my mom one time my mom got margarine. Instead of real butter and I thought my father was gonNA throw up on the table. It it didn't go over very well it was like it was like the the stood the whip look and stuff country crock or whatever that stuff. Margarine and. Maybe margarine had a little bit less fat in it or whatever. Maybe that's why Mama got it but. It tasted like. Lick in a cardboard box. And so we go real butter in my house. Yet grocery store. Here. There's this huge like lump. Old like low is not as big as half a loaf of bread. That's that's the size and shape of it. And it's like the Amish. Butter. And it comes in that big big old lump. And we by the big lump. It's delicious. And far more nutritious. Marjorie. I love the corn bread but always always vote biscuits. Man I'm fine. Either way I'm a corn. Brave man. But I can't say no to a biscuit. That's where the whole thing started I was on I was on a flight. I was on a cross country flight one Where I had gotten on the plane and fallen asleep. And I don't remember if it was a red eye and I woke up or if it was. An early morning flight and I woke up and they were serving breakfast. And I have a might even been hung over I can't remember. But The flight attendant comes by with a basket of biscuits. And she looks at me and she goes would you like a biscuit Sir I'm like. Well Yeah, I WANNA biscuit. And I got to thinking i. I'm a little bit of a nutrition nerve, but I can't turn down a biscuit. Can't I can't say no to a bisque especially on a flight. You can't. You can't selective on a flight and they're good man I, give American Airlines a lot of credit. They biscuits a really good. And I sometimes, I can't, and I'll be like I'm a honey Ya. Honey local honey and stuff here you of your county and everything. Yeah. I I eat a lot of honey I've seen. Put It in your yogurt your coffee I mean you wouldn't everything. And there's a reason and it's natural sugar. I mean it's sugar that your body can process. Is it added calories that might be unnecessary? Yeah. But I would rather have. It's like drinking red wine versus beer. When you drink red wine. It's complex sugar that your body can process. That's why people in the South Beach Diet drink red y. As opposed to beer. Just go ahead and drink beer and red wine I don't care. But anyway that's a little bit of a tangent but I do put honey in my coffee every day. I'll put honey and my yogurt to sweeten it up a little bit. And I put honey on biscuits and that flight attendant that morning. When I asked her. Is it the I'll have any honey. She brought me honey. Now's very grateful for that honey. Before we go. Did you happen to catch the Carolina Hurricanes. twitter account today Marty. No enlighten me so you know they're holding hockey seven games during the day you know with everything that's going on. And one Oh, nine PM Today on August. Third Carolina Hurricanes tweeted. MARDI party and. It was a gift of one of their hockey players. Yes. So one of their hockey players Jordan Martin. Luther. It's spelled Marta I N, O o K. Job Pronouncing it. Yeah. But they tweeted it's a Marty party, which I replied that it sounds like me they get this guy on if they're calling him a Martin Party like I feel like this is a you know you live in you know the area I feel like this is a joint venture that if they're gonNA call Mardi party you are the Mardi party we need to have the sky on. If, they're GONNA call in the morning party he should join the MARDI party. Yeah. I didn't know if you saw it today. So I did not another that's another person I think rap go after I think you should call the hurricanes that might actually be we my bill pull at all so I think it'd be good. So that's we're going to try to get a joint. MARDI party. With the Carolina hurricanes going it sounds good I mean it makes sense I live. Two and a half hours from where he plays something like that. Are May. I hope you guys enjoyed brooks. Koepka. Thanks to him for. Being. Willing to sit down with me out there in San Francisco a few months back I. Hope You guys get to see the television feature as well. That Harry Hawking's and put together Harry did a great job but that piece together and And in Greg Jewel and everybody involved in. The features unit that oversees all of our golf features I love getting to do those so much there. So fulfilling for me. and. I hope you guys enjoyed that interview. Thanks so much again brooks for for his time. And Blake Smith. Brooks, agent will in helping set and all that up so. Thanks so much to law enforcement officials all over the country working hard to keep our communities say thank you to our fire and rescue folks first responders who are risking their lives to save lives and I'm so grateful for military. We, live in a free country we live in the greatest country and it's because of the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform. So thank you so much to all of you guys for your sacrifice and for working hard to make sure we're furry. Hope Y'all enjoy that as Marty. Smith's America volume one hundred something. We'll be back next time around and we'll see y'all the take.

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Episode 21: Christopher Mad Dog Russo!

Pinstripe Lanes Podcast - New York Yankees (Unofficial)

26:55 min | 1 year ago

Episode 21: Christopher Mad Dog Russo!

"And episode number twenty one of the pinstripe planes podcast is brought to you by the new pop builders and soundproofing that we have in the makeshift studio that we take this. Welcome to the pinstripe lanes podcast. Here's radio host and lifelong Yankees fan ralphie overs. Got a bit of a new setup. I actually tweeted about it at pinstripe lanes. You could see us there. And of course, Instagram Facebook as well at pinstripe lanes for the new set-up did not have this set up, by the way, when we taped our interview with this week's guest, we will get all that. And just the second. Welcome to episode number twenty one it's episode number five inside season. Two of the pinstripe lanes podcast. I am ralphie Aversa. I have had a lot of fun watching the Yankees as of late fantail this podcast a weekly basis. We've had some great guests, of course, over these past few weeks, of course, leading off the season Giancarlo Stanton, and Gary Sheffield, if you didn't if you miss the surprise guest when we're having the New York New York conversation, maybe go back to that. One. Big Papi was on that ups owed. Of course last week. Our buddy Mark Lowe bell from low bells who I did not I was at the stadium last Wednesday for the Brett Gardner grand slam against the Red Sox. I think Mark was in. Miami. I don't know if he was at the game or not I meant to get back to the stadium this past weekend. I didn't of course, the Yankees. Now in the midst of their first of two west coast trips this season, they'll do another one around Labor Day weekend or the week before Labor Day. But right now, they'll wrap things up in Anaheim with the angels. And then they'll go to San Francisco a trip that I by the way would love to have made just wasn't able to get it together between work stuff. And then also this weekend quick side note, yours truly will be hosting the friends of Saint Jude New York gala at the National Geographic space in Times Square. Did it last year they had to thirty fifth rooftop this year in Times Square at National Geographic? I hear it's a very cool events space. It's a great night of food and drink, and of course, benefits and amazing 'cause with our friends over at Saint Judas, they help all types of children from all different walks of life who are obviously facing. A number of different obstacles. All right. So without further ado, though, let's get to a couple quick notes before we get to this week's cast. And by the way, this week's guest, probably my favorite guests we've ever had on the pinstripe planes podcast. And I think it will be yours as well before we get to that. We mentioned the mother's day hats are out. I believe the full collection is out. And now the Memorial Day hats, basically, the MLB's version of salute to service, which of course, the NFL does in the month of November the Yankees along with all of the other Melby teams will be done in cammo. Inspired hats in stance socks and believe they'll they'll do something to the jerseys again this year as well. That collection is out. I will save my opinion on it for a later episode. Again, the Yankees won't even be wearing any of that merch for another month of so are so on of course, again, like the mother's day gear that goes out MLB, pledges all. Of the proceeds from its royalties to go to various causes benefiting veterans, which are worthy causes I still maintain that there may be more effective ways to benefits that causes. But that's another podcast for another time. Been a lot of fun to watch the Yankees, even though. Yes, west coast. And this is my first time watching the Yankees on the west coast with a normal nine to five ish job. And now I realize what everybody else complains about the. I used to work nights. And it was great. I actually loved the west coast trips because it usually meant that when I signed off of the radio show. I can either go home and or go to a bar. You know, have a cold beverage and watch the Anki. So watching the entire game in the studio while I was on the radio and so. Now flip side, and I am two for two with falling asleep. Now granted the one game was the first game out Anaheim souvent along Monday night, and then it ends up going fourteen innings and then last night. I just another story for another time. But on the less did fall asleep bowl times. I will say though, it's kind of nice waking up the next morning, you grab your phone. And you get the at bat notification that the Anki is pulled through and one especially last night with navigating through Chad green in the basis load of diaries. He'll he'll he'll get the right that next chapter in musette, Pennsylvania. Thank you very much. Mr. green and away you go along with Kyle Higuchi Ohka nice to see by the way, somebody come back from the injured list and Gary Sanchez. He was he flew to Anaheim last night. He's back on the team activated today. Of course, since our last taping we lost number nine to nine to an oblique. And we're gonna have our buddy Jimmy MacKay on to talk about that. Dr physical therapy. Maybe. We'll get them out at some other point by the sounds of things we'll have some time to do that. Because I think mister judge is going to be down for a bit. What can you do? But laugh at this point, you know, that and wonder what's going on with the wellness and training and fitness team with the because I think that's a legit question at this point as well. All right. So that's wraps up as far as our notes for this week. Let's get to the guest for this week. Again, one of my favorites, perhaps my favorite period, the type of guy who and I'll say this again does it need an introduction because of the career he's had Marconi award winner. The whole nine the Marconi's, by the way, basically the Oscars for radio. And there is a specific reason why we wanted them on particularly this season. We will explain that. We actually get right into that. Our very first question that we will ask him MLB network. High heat it, of course, mad dog sports radio. Mad dog unleashed the greats the incomparable. Christopher mad dog Russo. Our guest this week on episode number twenty one of the pinstripe lanes podcast. Welcome back to the pinstripe lanes podcast. I'm ralphie Aversa. Our guest this week really needs. No introduction. But we will let you know that high heat with Christopher Russo. Arizona MLB network every weekday at one eastern. And of course, he's the host of mad dog unleashed on Sirius XM's mad dog sports radio. Weekdays at three eastern. Christopher mad dog Russo. Thank you so much for the time ralphie Aversa pinstripe planes podcasts around how I pal. Okay. What's going on? I'm doing. Well. Here's why I wanted to have. Yeah. Let's get right into it. It's the ten year anniversary of new Yankee Stadium. And if you're an aficionado a fan of of your career and of Mike and the mad dog you probably remember that back in March of two thousand eight one of the last kind of big on air arguments you and your old partner. Mike francesa had was about the building of new Yankee Stadium for those who don't remember it or want to go back and rewatch. It's available on YouTube essentially, Mike was for the building. Of new Yankee Stadium. Mad dog was against the building of new Yankee Stadium here. We are ten years later. Benefit of hindsight, doggy, has your view changed at all. Do you think they should have stayed with the old stadium? Renovated it or have. You warmed up the stadiums? Nicer. I mean, the old stadium had more charms to the old stadium. Had more noise to it the old stadium the board in fly out of there wasn't a Bandbox like this new stadium. Wiz. I understand that. It's you know, that you can make more money. It's more profitable than you ballpark with restaurants, and sweets, and the freshness of it. I get that. But on the Yankees for the most part did not use any public money. I also get that which is a positive, but I think that there is a longing for the old days with the old stadium. So from that standpoint, the old stadium to me is a little bit more. It's more charming and annoys ear, and again, it was a much fairer part. And then this new ballpark is because you know, this ballpark the ball flies out to win. Currence and all that the Yankees would never admit it. But city fields much nice apart in new Yankee Stadium is and I know I'm biased. They don't like the Yankees. Thank stadium is almost it's almost like a museum to the Yankees. Then it is a ballpark. So I will still vote for the old stadium myself. I will say when the stadium. I my my my view on this essentially stayed the same. It's volved a little bit over the over the past ten years, but I will say when the stadium I open it did to your point of felt like a shopping mall with a baseball diamond in the middle. That's that's kind of the vibe I got which is obviously not what you want with Yonki stadium doggie as you've traveled around and you've gotten to see what they've done with Fenway. What they've done with Wrigley. I mean, even now angel stadium Dodger Stadium are getting up there in age. Does that reaffirm your point at all as you've traveled to these other ballparks? I mean, listen, I think that you know, Fenway to me they have maximized every nickel that they could have maximized it. It's too tight. You know, there's plenty of seats. You can't see I actually think unless you have a good seat on. There's not many of them to be had. I kinda think fenway's will rate it. And plus the fact it's not in downtown Boston on. I like Wrigley field better. It's a little bit more essentially located. They've done a ton of work on it. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I actually think it'd be a good better parked in Fenway is I am a big believer in the new park that is within walking distance of downtown. Which is what you know as sensually. Baltimore is and San Diego is. And although it's stretchable walk AT and T, and San Francisco is Cleveland is chorus field is I Minnesota is Cincinnati is I like those parks more than I like the park that you know, is is the big is the big humongous affair, and that, you know, doesn't have a lot of charm to it to me Yankee Stadium have a ton of charm to it Fenway has got charm because if it's great history. So I can't say it's lacking in Sharm. But I do think that it's very very tight. It's a city block. It's very very tight. For my money. You know, I think pet going it's history. But I think Petco is a tremendous park in San Diego. I think target field in Minnesota is very underrated park. You know? I don't like Washington that much have been a lot. I'm not a big. I don't like Miami that much. I've been there. You know, there are you know, I think Houston's a good park. I mean, I think there's five or six Vicky gotta basically break them down to the ballpark. That's the older ballpark Dodger Stadium Yankee Stadium, theoretically Fenway Wrigley that kind of parking new park. I didn't get a break down. What you like better? Camden is great park too. I I like the old the charming new park that has about forty thousand seats that's kinda park that I like Christopher mad dog Russo here on the pinstripe planes podcast. I'm ralphie Aversa. I trust your opinion on this for a number of different reasons. But you know, the common refrain that I'm sure you heard and that I certainly heard as a fan. Throughout the twenty seventeen postseason was while this place? Sounds like the old ballpark. Agree disagree. Yeah. I think there's some I was hearing oh nine when they won the championship and obviously into when they closed on the audience stadium in oh eight I just think, you know. I think a big issue. The new Yankee Stadium is is the fact that is too many home runs. I mean right field to joke in pop up the bull leaves the park. So I mean, I have a I have a little issue. I understand the old ballpark to boil left the park. And obviously they built it for routes two hundred ninety five feet down the right field line. So I don't wanna make it sound like toys that it's been a great pitchers park for against all sorts of hitters left-handers voice had an advantage at Yankee Stadium. But I mean to me this park. I mean, it really it's a Bandbox. I mean, and I have a Yankee hierarchy would would reluctantly agree hierarchy little embarrassed by it? I don't think they figured out. The wind currents, you know. It's I think it's probably built a little lower the freeze there on the top. It's a little different. I think so I think the Yankee people would not like the idea that the home run is now become too much commonplace. And I think that hurts the charm. I think that just hurts the history of the stadium myself. And I think it's a problem. Now, the park itself is fine. I mean, nobody's gonna argue with the park itself. I do think it's too much of a museum. I think if you're a Yankee fan you like it. But I said if you betta park now city field is not located in a great spot. I mean, he can't get there. And you gotta take a subway is nothing to do around it. But I like city feel better than I like Hanky stadium as a baseball park. I just think it's a it's got a more a better feel to it as a park and Yankee Stadium does. I don't think he's great place. I nor do I think the middle of the giants sent a billion dollars. I don't think that that's not a great stadium either for football. So, you know, for whatever the reason I'm not in love with. Those two parks here in New York City. Yeah. I why definitely agree. I met life. It's it's way. It's almost too big. And it's actually even more sterile than Yankee Stadium from feeling standpoint. Yeah. Very very sterile. Very still quick trip down memory lane favorite memory from the old stadium. Well, I'm not a Yankee fan. So task me, you know to reminiscent about the great ballpark since I'm not a fan. It's a little tricky for me to do that. I mean, I would think Reggie three homers in in seventy seven. I mean, I certainly would think the buono run against the Red Sox in two thousand three for that. I would. Yes, it was. I I would think you know, certainly Shamba to someone seventy six which is you know, like when the stadium is built again and only Yankees were back in the Bronx and not and not a shea. I that was a huge moment. You know, those. I mean, obviously, then you throw in the games against you know, certainly the championships against a Braves when Girardi tripled in the fifth inning against mattocks into a ninety six. I think you have to put that in there. I would certainly put. It in maybe the grand slam by Tino of Langston and ninety eight I have against San Diego and game one. I think you'd have to put that in there. You know, there's you know, you gotta think of the big games with the aggies have won. I mean, certainly the game in November against our Zona and that series against the Diamondbacks when they lost the series, but I put those three in there too. So I mean, listen, the the original Yankee Stadium is great too. That's not forget that. But the stadium in the middle of it, you know, between when they refurbished it really between nineteen seventy six and two thousand and eight I mean, just take it a years the Yankees, you know, hit big home runs big moments in that ballpark. And that is the moment that the Yankee fan would identify with and you're being very kind because this is a Yankee fan podcast, but he's still brings it up. So I'm sure it's still fresh in your memory to you sit in there and four game seven just needle and Mike the entire time. I know you had a blast that one. I Coleman day. To Eddie had his old sweater and owed paraphernalia it which is father grew up as a red sock fan. And we never being part of the nineteen eighteen world championship the year that ended early. The Red Sox beat the cubs that year in fall in five games. They believe it was and Eddie Coleman father random train station when the Red Sox came back from Chicago. They want not championship and had a lot of that stuff. That is father had at that game seven there that year against the Yankees. When of course, Ortiz and and Damon hit the home run. So that was a special deal that was a blowout game. I mean and the Red Sox, obviously exercise a lot of demons. I thought the Red Sox are gonna win that game. And I thought that socks after they won four and five in Fenway the way they did. I thought they're actually gonna win game six and seven Yankee Stadium. And of course, they did. I didn't think they were going to now obviously, I'm a fan. So I'm bias. I didn't think they were gonna. To win game six I was a student at Syracuse at the time I actually drove down at the bloody sock game. Fortunately, unfortunately, obviously, a big moment in baseball history of brutal the see there. So I was there with. Uh-huh. And all that kind of home run early by Delaware, north Lieber. I had a lot of my buddies come down for a red sock fans, and those are two great days in the Red Sox. When eight note a finished a year against two big time teams over one over one hundred games in the Yankees cardinals. So let's throw that into mix to the Red Sox had that incredible finish that year. But if you're gonna break a curse as they had a break, it sometimes you gotta do something extra dramatic. I was at game. I was at game three of that series. When he Hanky scored nineteen runs and Bisky banged around the green monster. I never leaving that stadium with Marc Malusis leading Fenway, not Saturday night. And I said, well, listen, if you ever gonna break curse and the other go do something, you know, historic. You better do it. Sometimes you need to do something dramatic, and you know, what would be more dramatic than the Red Sox from three zero down to beat new Yankee. So I had a little. Inkling maybe something is in the air in two thousand and four more minutes here with Christopher mad dog Russo on the pinstripe lanes podcast. I'm ralphie Aversa. I heard on the radio show you had the the Commissioner on recently. And something you always do you go out of your way to make sure that you obviously think for his time. But also note that with the show that you have on MLB network. There's no they don't try to cramp your style. At all. They don't try to shove anything down your throat. They don't try to nudie at all either. That's the truth, regardless of you can pretty much. I mean, I there's always some level. You know, you can't go unbelievably crazy. But as so, you know, you have to I mean, you gotta you know, listen, it is television network. I mean, you can't go crazy today's show either. They generally speaking. And that's why it's a great place to work. I've never gotten a call for Manford. I've never gotten a call from anybody there twenty Petit on Park Avenue. They allow me to say what I want and do what I want. Now. Again, within reason, you know, if I go out there and say that, you know, a certain owner is the worst guy in America. And should be disbarred from the sport. I mean that's going to cause me some trouble. But you know, outside of being that outlandish, they allow me really, you know, to say what I want now, and I get on the owners with these disputes with the players association. You know, I I kill the American League I've gone on tanking get on the American League teams that are horrendous. You know, I pick on the players. I do you know, I do segmen. Good jobs bad jobs in which I pick, you know, something, but I don't like with the team generally. I mean, I got all over LaRussa with the whole thing with Harold bane. Of course. I mean, I mean, generally speaking, they leave me alone. You gotta give them a lot of credit for that. I know whatever that might be. It's the only show on it. It's a little different than the other the other fairs a lot about describing pitches and hitters, and you know, it's really more of a down to earth grassroots baseball network. I can get a little different be a little bit more. You know, as a talk show host per se. And I think they need that. I mean, I'm not saying that it's you know, they can survive without me, believe me. But I think that that little difference gives the network a little edge. And I think in a lot of ways my job there. Every day is the push the envelope. Don't push it too far where it gets to be outlandish. But push it far enough where it's got a little edge to it. And I think my job every. Day is to you know, don't go crazy about it. And don't just do it to do it. But my job every day is the final level where you know, the average fan would respect what was saying about baseball. And I think baseball trust me to do that. And I think baseball understands that there's going to be days not gonna like me. But I think baseball also understands that I promote the sport in a proper way to do. You know, I am let's face it ralphie. I do probably fifteen interviews a week on the game. You know, I go on all the shows. So I mean, I think it's it's a worthwhile marriage on both ends to be quite honest with you. I wouldn't do it. If they told me what I can and cannot say, and they wouldn't have me if I went to nutty. So there's a happy medium. They're wrapping up with Christopher mad dog Russo. I think this is a good place to to end it because right now, obviously we got hockey playoffs got basketball playoffs NFL schedule just released. You would you would almost never know it that were I mean. Granted were not even a month into the baseball season. But we are into the baseball season is this is the time of year where especially in the northeast with the weather and everything else base plays or anything baseball can do to improve its relevance, especially this time of year. Or is it just too difficult New York shape, Saint Louis turn good shape? I know I, you know, those two I mean, I think they're in LA. They're in good shape. I mean, Houston you're in good shape. I mean, they do very very well Chicago with the cubs. I mean, they're excellent many market, but baseball needs to do. And I said this time so baseball needs to do is they need to figure out a way to get to become part of the national conversation. And part of it's ESPN, which jams the NBA down your throat, you know, and all their shows are sort of geared the NFL and the NBA especially now, they don't do very little baseball thoughts. Fox's the same way. They need baseball to figure out a way to. Get the sport, you know, in the daily conversation on a daily basis, and there are certain times of the year that job is easier and are other times you that job is harder. And right now as you said masters tiger, you know, the NBA just getting started certain markets the NHL playoffs. You're gonna have some horse facing forthcoming the NFL draft was swallowed everything up this coming week. You know, sometimes they struggle with that. And I think that you know, it's a long season. Whereas you said the weather a lot of cities in the American League teams, aren't that? Good. You know, they more wrapped up right now in royals and the chiefs are they more wrapped up right now on the Indians of the Browns. Right. And I think as you know, the lions Tigers the Vikings of the twins. And I think there is you know, I it's a Mariners swell the manners. They liked because they've been winning. But the Mariners Russell Wilson. So there are situations where you know, there are certain. Times of the year. Yeah. Pockets that is a is a struggle for them. And unlike the NBA NHL, which gets a big advantage of contesting their postseason when the NFL is dormant the major league baseball has to conduct their postseason when the NFL and college football big. And that's the problem. I mean, for instance, game five of the World Series. This year is going to be up against Green Bay in Kansas City. The fig about that the NFL come up with a better game of against game five of the World Series and Rogers against Moore. All my, wow, I'm I that's something that football and basketball, and the NCWA and the NHL, and they don't have to deal with that and baseball does because their seasons, you know, comes down to, you know, you know, the juice comes in October. And that's the NFL and college football and full swing. So it makes it hard for them. So baseball. You know, it's kinda grappling a little bit with when it becomes eight when it can become a national storyline. They always do. Great locally Yankees in a postseason cubs in a postseason. Dodgers Red Sox, Houston, Saint Louis. They do very very well. But, you know, a rocky bluer series, and and I'll see s on a Sunday knock Tober up against a, you know, a big football game at the top that sets a problem for them. And that's what baseball has to try to overcome exit. Art makes it hard with Christopher Russo. I'm network weekdays one eastern mad dog on Sirius XM's mad dog sports radio. Weekdays at three eastern. Christopher mad dog Russo. Thank you so much again for the time. We really appreciate it. Excellent. That is a wrap on episode over twenty one of the pinstripe planes podcast. Thank you for rating reviewing subscribing wherever you get podcasts. Don't forget, we're at pinstripe planes, all of your favorite social networks. A big thank you to Lorraine and Lou over at MLB network for helping to coordinate this and make this happen. And also, thanks the gun to Christopher mad dog Russo giving I'll paraphrase him is w little podcast. He did not say that by the way, he was so gracious. He was so great called on time gave me twenty minutes. I mean, he's got an he's got to national shows TV and radio. He's got do later in the day. And there he is on the phone with me from his office before he's gotta do. Both just doing this podcast. So again, thank you to Lorraine and Lou problem coordinate onsite, and of course, thanks to doggie as well for making some time big fan of his big fan of you for listening and a big fan of these Yankees as they continue this west coast trip. Hopefully, they wrap things up. Tonight's on a pleasant note in Anaheim. And then they go. Actually, you know, coincidentally enough face off against doggies team the team that he roots for the giants over at AT and T in San franscisco. That's about again on episode number twenty one of the pinstripe lanes podcast. Let's go Yankees.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1630: Whats Next for the Negro Leagues?

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:14:41 hr | Last month

Effectively Wild Episode 1630: Whats Next for the Negro Leagues?

"It don't vandamme dab. We get to everybody. We better start a week. Low and welcome to episode sixteen thirty effectively wild grass. Baseball park is brought to you. Our patrons borders assembled a little bit. Then i was like oh preparing to stumble but then i caught myself. You tricked her. She had the momentum. I kept going. It was fine so we knocked off the kitchen counter. Big ketchup stucco ending. I guess you haven't stucco ending yet. Still but i am meg rally a fan graphs and i'm joined as always bipin limor of the wringer ben. How're you there. You go you did it. Yeah i'm good. I had a nice day. Mostly news breaker ben. I know look at me out here. Breaking news left and right dangerous game games game that i want to get into or remain at all equipped to get into but every now and then something Stumbles my way. So yeah there was A lot of discussion today about lp's decision to designate the negro leagues as major leagues officially. And this is something that we talked about. Some months ago it came up then because i had inquired about this prompted by ineffectively wild listener email of all things that sort of started this snowball which is kinda cool and they're of course had been a lot of scholarship and research about this already out there and people who had been advocating for it for decades and have just put in the work the painstaking effort to collect all of the stats and make this possible and yet once it got going which took only fifty plus years for them to even consider this question but once that happened it moved fairly quickly. I guess by major league baseball standards. So they're just A lot of implications of this and a lot to digest and a lot of different perspectives and things that will have to be worked out but for today it was nice not a universally positive reaction nor should it be necessarily but i think there were a lot of heartwarming things in my mentions from people finding out about this and and just people. I talked to for the story. People we had on the podcast. This year bob kendrick from the negro leagues museum. And larry lester who has been responsible for so much of the data collection efforts dating back decades. They were both happy about this. And this morning. I got to call ron tease louis. Who is a ninety three year. Old former knicker leaker who is One of the few players who is actually a affected by this and we'll have their stats reclassified. And he played for the new york cubans of the negro national league in nineteen. Forty eight. didn't make the majors with them but now will officially be a big leaguer in the record books and got to call them up and tell him that this was happening and he seemed quite pleased about it. And i was gonna describe what he said. But why don't i just let you hear it. I'll let him speak for himself. And this is just a quick clip from our conversation after. I gave him the news. That's a great feeling to grow it. Not a feeling gauge feeling. So wonderful things a great thing. Great thing this getting for baseball In general i think we deserve it. I am going up. i Father would talk to me about the teams and the caliber of play and that sort of thing and the fact that There's so many of the after we teams but big integrated players were most able players and brought the different teams to greater heights and I think just a great wonderful a wonderful thing. I know i have a good friend. It back leonard. How take afraid. I'll say we re we chatted quite a bit On different occasions and it was just a statue wonderful person and he was a big time. They're also. When i played up in a play up in canada i played against twenty wells and a great player. He was i think he was very twenty. Five fifty years old. When i played against him in he was still playing a high-calibre level in the made him so much used to be back on neil on many occasions to talk about the fact that in the squad games play between the the black major league major league teams or wherever equal in What they win bed went some in the other league or measure their win some games and also here Double duty radcliffe talk about the fact that How they play these Exhibition games and Also outage bob feller on occasions Say that he felt that The james r high-calibre. It's always a lot of praise for the players and come to some of our reunions and the past where they have a good time chatting living old times and some of the great Games that they played against each other so that was run. Teasingly keeping our streak of ninety something year old guests going so as overdue and belated. This is it seems like something that really had to happen. I'm glad that it finally has and so. Yeah for one day at least part of one day. At least there was a positive story in two thousand twenty baseball the west so that was nice. That was nice. And i did think when when your story came out about the conversations that we had had with with bob and larry and The perspective that they shared and how meaningful this must be to them and in a move that will perhaps continue a recently remarked upon trend. Podcast then be decided to way. I think that you know clearly like my stakes in this are are very small compared to the families of meagerly players. And all of the folks who we've talked about here who have done such good work to to push for this sort of obvious recognition on mlb part and also complete the historical record which is only in the state that it's in because of the refusal of baseball to acknowledge the quality of these players in the first place. And so you know. I don't want to take anything away from from their experience or speak for them. But i do find it. Frustrating that the baseball seemed to suggest in the way that it talked about this that it didn't quite understand the full scope of the harm that had been done here and when mlb's pure account tweeted this out they said commissioner manfred announced. Today that will be is officially elevating. The negro leagues to major league status. And i think that that word choice that were choices meaningful because when we are communicating and public. Were saying something about the topic that we're discussing but we're also saying a lot about ourselves and our understanding of the situation and sort of our role in it and between that and sort of i think at one point there was discussion about a longtime oversight. It just removed a lot of the agency. That major league baseball has had in it taking this long for them to acknowledge something that i think. A lot of historians have commented on now and that was clear to a lot of people in the time that the negro leagues were operational. Which is that these players were excellent and they were great competitors and the reason that they were excluded from major league. Baseball was because of racism and prejudice and not because of their sort of lack of skill and so. I think that you know it's hard to have that kind of reckoning with a really terrible legacy in a press release but i think is important for major league baseball to do some work to grapple with the role that it had in all of this which is a very active in pivotal one and one that denied negro league players the opportunity to make it into cooperstown at all. Make it into cooper sound during their lifetime. I think i'd encourage people to go read. Clinton yates his piece at the undefeated about you know his perspective on this which i will not spoil. I think you need to read and kind sit with it. But the line he has at the end of this piece i think is a really powerful when which is to say major league. Baseball is one league in one country in two thousand twenty joining the globe and recognizing that black folks are real people without whom you could never survive is not a reason to say you're welcome. It's a reason to say sorry man. I think that this sort of underscores a theme of a lot of what's gone on in major league baseball on twenty twenty. Which is them finally doing something. They should have done a really long time ago and then kind of expecting to get a little treat the end of it and so i wish that they would get better about talking about this stuff and i don't just mean and like a slick. Pr kind of way but in like a doing some real reckoning and self-reflection. That's that's clear and sort of happens in a proactive way rather than a reactive way. Because i think that this is a really important moment for the history of baseball and i do think that it changes the state of that research going forward and hopefully will change. You know some of our leaderboards and bring a new understanding of some really great players to a lot of folks who haven't taken the time to look at them before and it would be nice to be able to focus on that part rather than the lake. Why did it take you long to do this stuff right. So that's the that's other half of the day. Which i think we have to acknowledge but the part of it that is you know a lot of very dedicated people getting to see a thing. They've worked really hard for realized after a long time. That part is really special. And i don't want take anything from that because that would be. That would be a real shame on a day like today like it's really great that the sort of families of negro league players like you said got here this news like i think it is meaningful to a lotta people. So i don't wanna wine bomber to that. It should be has to be both aspects of this conversation. Have to be given their due. I think and yeah. I think it's really great. That larry lester who has dedicated a large portion of his life to ticking through box scores which is not fun. Frankly you know digging up microfilm. It's it's not fun. I've done some work like that and it can be really tedious. And he's done it for decades and so for him to be in the press release and see his name and know that this was done in large part because of his efforts. That's gotta be good. And i think the seam heads negro leagues database which is the most comprehensive source of these statistics. Fueled in part by larry's work. It went down today because of the traffic. Which has never happened before. Like i emailed gary ashwell to say hey is is your server down because the traffic. And he's like yeah. This does not usually happen to us. And it's not good that the server went down but i think it's a a symptom of just the increased interest like there were a lot of people looking at the stats getting to know these players their accomplishments. Who would not have otherwise and you know hopefully. Mlb will cover. They're hosting costs into you. Know kick some money their way so that that doesn't happen again. But i hope that that is a sign of increased and sustained interest to come for years and hopefully that these statistical record which is roughly three quarters complete for this nineteen twenty to nineteen forty eight period that is being designated as major league. Hopefully ipe something like this encourages be or or other parties to contribute to that effort and help spearheaded because they're still a lot of work to be done and it takes time and resources and sending people to places where they can look up microfilm for newspapers. That haven't been digitized. And maybe when you designate the stats as major league will now all of a sudden there's more pressure for them to be complete and accurate and so hopefully that helps spur some of that research. Or hopefully this spurs in evaluation reevaluation of some negro leagues players who perhaps deserve to be in the hall of fame. And there's not been a new player from the league's inducted into the hall of fame since two thousand six and players are still under-represented and teach pointed out on twitter earlier that one potential reason for that might be voters have at least a time. It's been instructed to consider negro leagues performance and aol performance separately. They weren't supposed to like treat it as if it was all major league play which it is and now presumably they would that be instructed to dress distinction there so i think there are a lot of positive byproducts that will come from this and i hope it will be a net positive and just talking to bob and shawn gibson and seeing that. They think that this will bring more attention to their programs and initiatives like i think that's good for the legacy of these players and leagues and families. But yeah you have to talk about the other aspect of it. And i almost feel like we need one word that can kind of encapsulate like all these different reactions that were having to healthiest different things. Really the same reaction to a lot of different things because like in my twitter mentions when people were tweeting. May tweet about this. It broke down fairly evenly. I would say between people saying this is great. This is huge this exciting and then other people saying long overdue which i think you were one of those and And other people saying about damn time and you know having the lebron picture from two twelve when he won a championship and said that like all of that has to be part of the reaction like you can't celebrated and save good job. Mlb pat them on the back. 'cause like a this only has to happen because the negro leagues you know existed in the first place because these players were prevented from having the opportunity to play in the american league or the national league and then when there was an opportunity to designate the negro leagues as major leagues fifty plus years ago. That didn't happen and they weren't even considered and then in the subsequent five decades it never came up basically at least an obeef never considered the question and so i hope i was careful to frame it in pieces like there are a lot of positive things that will come from this. But it's not a matter of like say. Thank you to for doing this because it's terrible that this didn't happen before so. I think this can be a reason to celebrate without being reason to celebrate. Mlb but i like it it in the article to the qiming hiring or the cleveland name change. Not just in baseball. It's like a lot of things this year that have happened. That like are positive steps. And get you closer to the world that you wanna live in but also reminds you of how far from that world we have been and still are and yeah. You don't want to like the deflating and focus on the negative to the exclusion of the positive. I consider myself an optimist by nature. But you also don't want to be like raw raw. Let's ignore everything that happened up to this point and the incredibly long path it took to get here while we're praising this decisions so it's it's tough to talk about. It's it's going to be messy hits bound to be when you're talking about subjects as sensitive and potentially painful as this. Yeah i just think we you know we. We would do well not only in baseball. But just in life to get out of the habit of giving institutions credit for tearing down barriers. They are right. That's not commendable. I think that the opportunity and the the chance for advancement are healing depending on the situation that doing that affords is great for the people involved in it can be exciting and thrilling to see progress in a thing. You care about or in your community but you know. I think that one of the things that was sort of a recurring theme in the writing around killings hiring in miami and you know. I know that john ramos pointed this out in their piece of baseball prospectus and rachel pointed out at fan graphs. Is that you know. There's a lot of crowing about a thing that could have been resolved and and sort of done and dusted decades ago. If there had been not only institutional will to make it happen but not resistance rooted in sort of you know whether it's racism or sexism. Or what have you And so it's it's an odd moment to sort of grapple with as a person who doesn't know anything to mlb as as an institution. So i just think that you know we get to be excited. And i think that one way to make sure that we don't continue to have these moments is to you know. Meet them with an appropriate amount of skepticism and with feedback critical feedback on how they ought to be handled better. And i think that lake thought your piece threaded the needle on that really well and i think that the reactions that have come out today are are important ones for a stall. Sit with as we think about how we can make sure that the injustices like this. Don't replicate themselves over future decades where we will be the participants in them. So yeah right. I tried to be careful about this. And i hope i was careful enough in making clear that these players are not major leaguers. Today who were not major leaguers yesterday because mlb said so right no they were major leaguers all along. These leagues were major league quality. Mlb did not recognize the reality of that and now they have. It hasn't changed the reality. They make them major leaguers an. That's something bob kendrick said in my piece like they didn't need the validation like they didn't have any doubts about how good they were or how high the skill level in the league was so it's not a case of mlb conferring something on them or like giving them something that they didn't already have. It's like mlb or should be an ob saying we screwed up like we denied reality for all this time and now we're no longer going to deny this reality and perhaps that's good. I think like it's better not to deny that reality but also it's it's just it's not really like a great job guys. You know the should have happened a long time ago. So so that's the thing. I hope that people will understand that distinction that it's not that these players were not major leaguers. It's just that they were not treated as such as what they were by. Mlb and now mlb is no longer making that mistake. I don't even know if rectify is the right word because it's not like they can undo what they did or didn't do for all those years. It's just that there's not going to continue to do that. So so it's tough and you know if the reaction is like well who are you to even weigh in on this like why do we even care what. Mlb says about this. They're the ones who kept them out of the league in the first place and snubbed them for all these years. I understand that perspective and I guess i would just say based on the people i talked to that. It seems like a lot of them. Believe that more good will come out of this happening than it not happening. And i don't know in their heart of hearts whited rabid for decide to do. This sweated other people at mlb decide to do this. Certainly i'm sure part of it is trying to cover their ass trying to avoid blowback because once this is pointed out especially in this environment. It's like are you serious. This hasn't happened before. How is that possible like. it's just totally untenable. Not to do something. And so i think you have to do what they did. And then you know could they have gone even further. come with more of a mea culpa should have come with different language. Should've come with bicker donations. Or you know some attempt at reparations or something like you can certainly make that case. It's it's just it's gonna be like painful for people. It's going to be something where some bitterness comes out of it just because of the negro leagues and that's part of that legacy and like any appearance of trying sweep under the rug of like why these players were not in l. or in the first place is not going to be received. Well so yeah like you know the language. Some of the language in the press release seemed fine and like yes they that it was oversight and and that it was long overdue and like it was an error at the time so it wasn't as if they were praising themselves in in that way for doing this but but using that word elevate is Not a word. I would use because the whole point is that it was not a lower league so the negro leagues don't need. Mlb to lift it up. It's just i said in my piece. I recognize or designator classify or whatever but Anything that affords the appearance of like making. It seem as if they are. They deign to make room. Yeah i think the the language there is. Tricky and mlb's choices were finding some places in very clumsy and others and and i just think that it's such a complicated. It was such a complicated legacy. Even at the time rightly the decision to finally integrate. The majors came with the destruction of the negro leagues riley. This was not an sort of unequivocally good thing even though it was the right thing to do It certainly had a an effect on the state of the negro leagues. In a way that. I think you know like clinton talks about in his piece and bob kendrick brought up in our conversation with him that it did in some ways do damage to these communities. So i think that it's kind of always hard for like institutions or by definition impersonal. Because it's not you know. You have the commissioner but it's it's a different thing than a person who has done a wrong being able to sit down and have a conversation with someone else that they have harmed which isn't to say that those should not be attempted or the institution sony to hold themselves accountable. I do think that there's sort of a communication challenge here. And while i am sympathetic to that jewish that melby sort of rose to it more often if only because it is so frequently pointed out to them where they fall down and there is a theme to their failure so and you know there are a lot of really good people who work for the league office on our smart about this stuff the way they talk about. It really does need some some work and you know. I think that's true. Even understanding that there are a variety of perspectives on this across baseball across the black community rate. It's important for us to acknowledge. Smell like a monolithic entity right. There are a lot of different viewpoints on this. But i think that when damage like this is so directly the your own policy. It's just it's good to come to it from a place of humility and acknowledging harm done. And i think that if that's where it starts than language like elevate doesn't tend to enter the conversation naturally so they're still. They're still clearly a lot of work tape on their rap. Manford comment in the press. Release was all of us who love baseball. Have long known that the negro leagues produced many our games best players innovations and triumphs against a backdrop of injustice are now grateful to count the players of the negro leagues where they belong as major leaguers within the official historical record. So i guess the the real breaking news here barrett the lead rob manfred does left baseball. He said in the press. Release all you. People who said rob manfred hates baseball. No he said all of us who love baseball. It's right there in the text manfred baseball over until he gets it tattooed on his forehead. I'm not going to believe it. Then yeah so. This is kind of the culmination of effort by a lot of people who have put a ton of time into this for years and years and years. And i'm happy for them and this is also really just the beginning of another effort because they have to figure out how to do this exactly and how to incorporate the stats into that official record the way that major league stats from non aol. Anna leagues were long ago. And that is really sort of a fascinating subject and writing about this. It occurred to me like all of the implications here in the ramifications and all the complications too. How do you display these steps. Like what do you count. What are you not count. And so i guess. I'll just answer. A few of the frequently asked questions that i saw from people who quote tweeted my article but for whatever reason did not click on the article to find the answers that they were seeking never. I never understand that behavior like very first time. It's ever happened. Also trend shocking shocking. It's just that i rarely go even like semi viral. Because i don't tweet at all so like when it happens. I am confronted with twitter behavior. Again i don't get it like appreciate that like you have any interest in the subject and you're like engaging with the tweet at all which you don't have to do you just ignore it but like if you are curious about these things and if you do have these questions and the answers right there like there's an article you could click on it like i laid it all out there. I anticipated some of these questions. That were in your mind. They were in my mind to like. They're they're like. I don't know if if people understand that like with the tweet like there's a link that takes you to a story so it's not just the text in the tweet like there's more text if you click anyway. I don't want to send angry about people not reading the full article or anything. But it's like if you're curious about the answers lie within. You can take a horse to water then. Can't make it drink so what this is. Is that the nineteen twenty to nineteen forty eight period and that is kind of the consensus like not everyone agrees on exactly where you set the cut off for the end of the quote unquote major league period because of some scholars will say it was a major league until nineteen fifty or nineteen fifty one but the consensus that seems to have developed that. Mlb has kind of followed the lead on here is that forty eight is sort of the appropriate cutoff because a it's after integration and so there had been the talent drain and just the lack of financial viability after mlb rated the roster space of the negro leagues teams and and that affected the conditions. So that was part of it and then that was the last year that the negro world series was played and it was also the last year of the negro national league the second negro national league that folded after that so it's kind of viewed as a cutoff that a lot of people have adopted an. It'll be decided to do that too. And so because it's nineteen twenty to nineteen forty eight and nineteen. Twenty is the natural starting point because it was the founding of the negro leagues and rube foster and sort of the first enduring league in black baseball. That's the period. And so if you're wondering well. Does this mean that hank. Aaron gets more homers down because he hit some homes in the negro leagues. No it doesn't mean that. Because he hit those homers in nineteen fifty two so this will not be counted toward his famous total. Th that we all know by heart and does this mean that the women who played for indianapolis in the leagues and fifty three and fifty four are now considered major leagues. No and unfortunately that is not a by product of this because that is not contained within this period. Either and does this mean that josh gibson is now the all time home run kin because people know the numbers of josh gibson. Hit eight hundred homers nine hundred homers or whatever and know that is so unofficial. That's sort of a vague number that gets tossed around that includes non league games exhibition and barnstorming and everything and he has fewer than three hundred documented homers in negro leagues game. So it's not really going to overturn a lot of the legendary career records that we all grew up learning but there are some really significant changes here and just like i. I used willie mays as the example in the lead of my peace. 'cause like willie mays he debuted in nineteen forty eight for the birmingham black barons and they're only seventeen hits of his right now that they have box scores for and that we know happened and so i think only ten of them were during the regular season and so it's not a huge change but like willie mays has the number of hits that he has had since nineteen seventy-three like that number has not changed. And you know. He's credited with thirty two hundred eighty three hits well now that number's going to go up. Because if you're a player like willie mays who spend both of these leagues erez then your stats will be combined. And forbe's that's not a huge difference and his six hundred sixty homers at least for now. We'll stay the same although he did hit at least one in nineteen forty eight season which is known because there is A description of it in a newspaper account but there is no box score that has been found yet so it's not actually part of the database. So this means though that like the hit that willie mays celebrated as his three thousand hit will now no longer have been history passing pits tart to even frame that with the correct tense. But his three thousand th hit. In retrospect now as far as the record books are concerned will turn out to actually have been whatever his like three thousand ten or three thousand seventeen th hit her something and his actual three thousand th hit will now have been what he thought was his like. Twenty nine hundred eighty hit or something along those lines and like his first major league hit is now not the homer he hit off warren spahn nineteen fifty one but the single he hit in nineteen forty eight. That is documented so a lot of those little things will change and they will keep changing because not all of his stats for that season. Have been found in documented yet. So so that will continue to change. And that's just a small thing because mays played almost all of his career in the national league rate but for others. I mean obviously for players who never played in the majors as they were defined at the time. Josh gibson for instance you know. Suddenly all of his stats are reclassified. Satchel page who played most of his career in the negro leagues like now suddenly his Quote unquote league innings. Total like quadruples immediately. And so that really. I think will will change things. Certainly in terms of like career rate stat. Suddenly like gibson will be way up there in a lot of the other. Great negro leagues hitter will be way up there in batting average or opiates plus and in terms of single season accomplishments. As we talk to sean. About like no ted williams will not have been the the last four hundred hitter anymore. Josh gibson did it. And larry western mentioned to me. Bob feller is the only major leaguer with an opening day. No hitter well. Nope no more leon. Day pitched an opening day. No hitter it's going to be a reframing of these numbers and fun facts that we feel like we've known for time and will be challenging for sure to figure out how to display it all and as they continue to dig up more and more numbers how do you continue to update it and present it and it's really just kind of a fascinating quandary. But one that i think had to happen. And maybe we'll talk to someone who's involved in that effort to get into the nitty gritty of it all but it's it's really going to be Quite an undertaking. I think to unify these records. Yeah i think that this is the beginning of another phase of work. Isn't that always the way you get what you want to know reward for. It is more work. But i think that yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be fascinating what this does not only the decisions that are made to sort of unify the record but the language we use to talk about them and those sort of additional archival work that it inspires. I think one thing that would be great for mlb to do like you said is to help to fund this work crash So to fund it not only in terms of its specific practical on the ground. Like let's make sure that that person doesn't have to pay for their plane ticket to whatever your archive in the middle of a college town in the middle of a cornfield. But also you know to help fund the work of the new orleans museum so that it can be part of this. This effort both to figure out the statistical record and then to celebrate it so it's a good and interesting stat challenge. It was funny when the announcement came down. You know. I got a lot of people asking me. What is the stuff going to be on fan graphs. And i was like i think that that is the eventual goal. But there's a lot of stuff that people who have been doing this work you know for a long time. Have to sort out before. We can import stats. We have to know what the stats are. Right we to agree on the set of stats so It's gonna be it's gonna be an effort although one made easier by all the work that came before it. So yeah and i think that the researchers who are at the forefront of this wanna make sure that there is like one place for now. that is the most up-to-date and comprehensive so that there aren't multiple versions of these stats floating around and and that is kind of the case already like the stats on baseball. Reference are somewhat outdated if you want the the most complete stats available. You've got to go to seam heads and baseball. Reference has not licensed all of that or has not been able to license all of that and So yeah i'm sure. Based on his track record of. I know that david appleton is always interested in having the most information and the best information on van graphs and Of providing a platform for anyone who wants to share that data or or licensing it. So i don't doubt that he will certainly be interested in others are interested in providing it there but but seem heads is a great resource and and like. There's a lot of precedent for this sort of thing because Keeping was quite shoddy early in baseball history in the al and nl and other leagues that were already regarded as major and so there have been a lot of cases in some high profile famous cases of numbers being changed decades after the fact because someone else discovered new information or found out that something was inaccurate. And so it's always changing. You know it's. It's always in flux as we get more and better information so this is not unprecedented in that sense. But the scale of it will be really quite an undertaking. So i think it's good that i've stated that they're doing it before. All of that was figured out. You said well let's figure out how exactly we're gonna do every little detail of this before we announce it but the longer you go without announcing it. I just i think once it was pointed out that this was such a glaring oversight and so hypocritical in light of everything else. That's going on. Like you gotta do it and i am semi surprise that there wasn't like some official committee formed to deliberate about this. But you could say. I guess that that's a sign that. Mlb was just you know trying to rush this and cover their ass before they got criticized for not doing this once. It came to greater attention. But also i think it's just so clear cut that this had to happen and should happen so long ago that i'm not sure what would have actually been gained by making this even more drawn out process with some kind of committee. Because you know you're not going to form the committee and then say well we looked into it and we decided that we're not doing anything. Actually everything's fine and we're just going to stick with this decision. That was made fifty plus years ago where they didn't even think about it like you know if you're even going to consider the question you are going to do something about it so why not just do it. There's this great body of work out there by all these experts and scholars who have already done this research and look into it and made recommendations so if anything it's a positive that mlb said okay you know whatever their motivations and what was in their hearts and i'm sure there's a mix of multiple things and i do think people they're genuinely care about this and think it was the right thing to do but also like just just do it figure out how to dot the i's and crossed the ts later because once you have stated publicly that you're doing it like okay you're committed you have to figure this out now and to use the stats as an excuse like that's something that has happened before where people have said. Well we can't do this because the stats are not complete in. That is just penalizing. These players for the conditions that were imposed on them. That led to the the lack of comprehensive stats. So you can't say that you know. I don't think you can use that as a justification not to do something. So you have to say yeah. We're doing this. And it may be a headache in some respects and hard to figure out but it has to be done is the right thing to do and so we will figure it out one way or another all right so i'm sure there will be much more about this in the coming weeks and months and years and perhaps we will discuss it at greater length but i think at least like the story. Today was negro leaguers in the negro leagues. Cash gipson satchel page and like. That's what people were talking about as opposed to talking about like. Mlb owners not wanting to play a full season or whatever would have been the story otherwise like that's like the the opportunity costs it's not some other feel-good story about baseball. That was out there. I don't think it was like that was the thing that was leading. The new cycle was the report. That owners don't wanna play a full season because of course they want fans in the stands and so it's in their interest to delay opening day so that they can Make the most money possible or avoid losing as much money as they can and the players quite naturally were not receptive to that idea. Because why would they be just played a whole season already with no fans in the stands like they've demonstrated that they were willing to do that and that it could be done and so why now would you not do that. And why would they take a cut in their salary. If you decided that you could go ahead with conditions in two thousand twenty then why not continue to do that in. Twenty twenty one. When hopefully fingers crossed by. By that time things will be a little better than the the truly terrible state in right now so anyway that would have been. The story is like mlb wanting there to be less baseball. Basically and the continued back and forth between owners and the players association and instead we got to talk about like josh gibson all day and i think that was nice and i guess also we Got distracted from talking about scott. Boris which was the leading story the day before fan you. Yeah i feel obligated. It's it's kind of become our corner here. Which in a way. I feel like we created a monster here because i don't know if we if we help. Yeah i. I'm not sure how responsible we are for like. Boris quotes becoming a thing. Like he's been talking like this for really long time so we didn't start it but were not discouraging him from sharing these things and boy did he. Drop a whole lot of analogies and oddities. Yeah there are a lot of. But here's i'm gonna highlight a couple okay. Because i think that you know there there are a great many as if we were to read this entire transcript. That would be the that'd be episode. That'd be the the entirety of the episode. And i don't think that we really want that and so I'm going to start with one that have you seen any of these of any of these made their way tie. I didn't set out to see them but people made sure that i saw you through our listeners. For bringing us to our your very. You're perry committed in a way that we we certainly appreciate Mentions kind of weird. Let's start. Let's start with one in response to a question on where jackie. Bradley jr. is sort of fitting in the center field market. Jackie bradley jr. is kind of the pb and j. of the major leagues he's sweet smooth and spreads it all over covers out. Well yeah metaphor. Bring back the old federal morgan food metaphor tag this. It's not The most typical territory for him. Not nautical something from the animal kingdom. It's a food one. I guess he is. He's trod on this territory before. But i mean it's kind of like a less good version of the famous quote about garry. Maddox like seventy percent of the earth is covered by water. Two thirds of the earth is covered by water. And the rest is gary maddox and that has been applied to other players. I think so yes instead of that. It's it's peanut butter which i like. I like peter butter. Kelly penaflor joey. Pb and j. yup yup. Well i guess that we've learned some important things not least of which is that. He is not a crunchy man. Neither my i am smooth butter person. of have have we found something. We we strenuously disagree on here. I just again. You know my feelings about food. Which is that. You should eat whatever you want. As long as it's not people golfing but i i just enjoy having a little bit of obstacle a little bit crutch. No i'm glad that you have thing you. I like my smooth peanut butter. I like putting it in the refrigerator. Which i think people consider somewhat strange which i guess is because i want some resistance to like it it might be too smooth if it were warm but if you put it in the fridge then it's it's kinda cold and hard and i know i'm not making this sound. Appetizing could cold smooth better for the fridge. One of my favorite snacks you one of those people that likes a little bit of pope in your orange juice so absolutely not one of those people expect. I hate pope in marriage to all right. Well i'm going to give you a an article An article one just to you know. Go back to something familiar. So scott boris on the cubs. This this comes from A jesse rogers tweet. Sometimes you get water in your boat. First thing is to figure out how that water got in there and then make sure you get the water out of it before you add people into the boat. It's about understanding the players. you have. Yup that's more like it that's got that's like if you would if we were playing the game that we played at the winter meetings last year where you made up fake. Boris quotes me on. Which ones were real. If you had said that one. I would have said fake. Probably because that sends so stereotypical but but no it's just him playing the hits playing strengths that we couldn't even play that game this year because we got spoiled immediately fast aware like last year. We had some warning right because you were actually at the winter meetings and you knew he was gonna talk. And so you warned me to unplug for a little wiles. This time it was zoom. And i didn't know it was happening and suddenly we were getting bombarded by tweets and messages. And so we were spoiled instant we so very many so this one is less an analogy and just like a a good insight into what scott. Boris has been watching while in quarantine so he was asked about the direction of the angels under their new general manager. Well our position of course and this is an excerpt from a longer to quote. I should say well. Our position of course is that they have to solve the case of the loss playoffs. And so they've gone out and gotten their perry mason which. I would like to quibble with scott a little bit and i realized that scott. Boris his age and my age would make you think. Hegg doesn't scott. Boris know a lot more about perry mason than you do. And to that. I would say you weren't raised by two mom lawyers and i was and i will say the following the pair base that is a prosecutor and i would if i were scott bores not a famous detective in this case not the prosecutor who had prosecuted the case. I think that scott needs to learn something and perhaps watch an episode of law and order. Just the just the intro to get a sense of who does what in the midst of an investigation. So yeah and there's a a remake great. There's a new perry mason. That came out of rich but yes. There's an old show. There's a new version of it but i have not seen it but but he is A defense attorney like. I don't think they turned him into. I don't know. I have not seen it in a prosecutor seeing now see in the new perry mason. I'm just reading. The i am deeply description. You know what. Ben i must be hoisted on my own petard i no. He's definitely defensive. Okay yeah he's still wrong. But i was also wrong so i will knowledge that i got a little sassy. About what perry mason did he. Yeah yeah it is a mystery though. Angels continuing to miss the playoffs. I mean that is one of the most enduring mysteries in baseball. Isn't the solution to that. That they just can't put a five hundred baseball team around mic drop solved it. That is a mystery in itself. Okay and then this one. This one is a bit longer. And i'm going to sort of pick and choose because there are a couple of different things at work here. So he was asked about the feasibility of a contract. Extension for michael conforto. I think michael is like a lot of mets players very encouraged. It's nice to have an ownership with big apple's look. I know that we live in a world where we know a lot about why mitch. Haniger went on the injured list. Both men could talk about their apples. Less i'm just saying that just talked about unless no one wants to know about the so that happens and then and then he's talking about the ways that the mets might improve themselves and he says in the area of catching they didn't let anybody else ether lunch. They went out and got a big mac. And you might argue that in general manager category. They didn't go out and get the hamburglar they went out and got themselves a porterhouse. So ben we're gonna we're gonna get to the back end of this quote which also has some some nonsense but discovers not know that the hamburglar is a character in the mcdonald's cinematic universe and porterhouse is a kind of stake. These are good questions. I dunno also. Why would you contrast so the place where you contrast it should be the big mac and the porterhouse. That's that's that's the contrast in terms of quality. I don't know. I think that he got a little lost along the way and just wanted to bring up the hamburglar. So there's that so. I think the mets are now kind of shopping in that organic produce isle. Been looking for that. Special melissa's met delicious. And i think this apple's not going to have any worms in it. So michaels pretty excited about what's going to happen with the new york mets. Does he do it. Why does he do. It really is the better question. I continued to wonder who this is for like. I guess it's it's for us. It's become for us. And i guess it's become for our audience but i still don't totally understand the direct line between us talking about this and scott boras clients making more money which it seems like would be his goal in saying these sorts of things that i'm not sure how it translates like unless You know certainly. Boris his head a lot of success in the past kind of doing an end around around the baseball operations department and appealing to owners. So like if some owner were like I want to acquire an outfielder. Who's like peanut butter and jelly. I will give Jackie bradley agent call. It's hard for me to to understand that happening. Like he used to make these big. Boris binders right. At maybe does. I haven't heard much about them lately but those were seemingly for show like partly i think to show his clients that he was putting in the work and resources and he had a crack research staff. That could come up with like selectively chosen statistics to make his clients look good and like probably the clients themselves like reading about how great they were and how much money they should make. So that was for the clients or maybe to impress owners or something but like this word play. I don't know who it's for. I don't know if it leads to like any more offers or bigger offers like maybe having these players in the news in some way like leads to more publicity for those players and maybe in some indirect way that translates to to revenue. I i just. I don't know exactly how that happens. It just Maybe it's for scott. Boris himself maybe he just enjoys this and that is the only reason he does. This is good at an explanation as any that i could come up with. I mean he did speak on some important labour questions right like the possibility of a shortened season next year. And how guys are you know thinking about preparing for next year given a shortened season this year and how we should think about those stats and so there are definitely nuggets in there. That as sort of the premier agent. It's important to hear from him on. Also he's been watching perry mason so he had to get that in. Ben yeah and just the sheer quantity of these that. He unloaded all at once. Conclusively establishes that he prepares for this. Like which i think we knew. But it's just a funny image to me to imagine this like incredibly successful. Prominent wealthy agent like really one of the defining figures of this era of baseball. Just at some point just brainstorming or sitting down and writing down these things which are just incredibly corny and convoluted and like we've speculated before about whether he has raiders has helped with this material or not but like clearly if you're gonna drop off at once and and i've heard him like say one of these things here and there on an interview and as we've talked about it. Sounds like he sometimes just looks around the room and sees a lamp or a vase and says this is like that thing that i just laid eyes on but in this case like it's clearly prepared. He does not come up with twenty of these off the cuff. So does he make flash cards. Is he memorizing them. Like i continued to want to know about the process here. And i still think maybe i should write about it or we should have him on if he is willing to dish on. How exactly the the magic happens here. And it really perplexes me entirely. Which i think is why i keep coming back to. This is that like he is such a prominent figure and he chooses to speak this way in public and then we all just joke about it and maybe it's like a trojan horse to like get us to pay attention to the things that he says about like baseball's economic conditions which are sometimes astute. Like clearly he has a motivations and incentives and interests here and he's not an impartial party but he says things that frankly like i'd rather hear from scott. Boris about these things. Then the commissioner or the owners in most cases and so you know he is not above Distorting things himself. Obviously but i think he is generally maybe a little more clear eyed about these things just because of the incentives at play than a lot of the other people who speak about a spouse that can have a condition. So maybe it's just like. Hey i'll get them in the door with the pb and j. quote and then they'll pay attention to me talking. About how like actually. Mlb isn't losing all this money. They're just not making as much money as they have before. Or like when they talk about losses really. It's like profits that they expect to get that they're not getting yeah. I would imagine that is combination of ego and savviness on his part. And i saw people on twitter bemoaning his ridiculous quotes and to them. I say it is a long offseason. Let us have our fun. I was a little disappointed Lindsay allard noted on twitter that the boris zoom was a great example of sort of baseball room. Raider because there were a lot of folks who were who were dialed in and so i am disappointed that he did not notice the great well of inspiration sitting in front of him he could have looked at people's homes and called out. The this free agent is like that shoddily constructed bookcase or or you know. The the commentary of the commissioner on the state of the game is like the unwelcome intrusion of wayward child in the middle of a work meeting. He had all sorts of things that he could have called upon and he decided to go with his pre canned stuff. And i find myself. I touch disappointed by that ben Yeah there's one that. I don't think we talked about the h. One oh yes i. Don't i have this one. This is scott boras talking about how we still don't have resolution on whether there will be universal d. h. in twenty twenty one he said maybe in the commissioner's office d. h. May stand for dragging their heels which you know what i kind of liked that what. It's simple it. He's not like reaching for an analogy or something. It's just the burn. I don't know if it's a sick. Burn but i chuckled. But wouldn't it be if it's dragging their heels wouldn't it be eight t h well. Maybe yeah i'll give him some creative license. Nothing very but i kind of i kind of appreciate that. One and they are dragging their heels in. It's frankly ridiculous. We have a baseball season to play in a couple of months. Shockingly soon next week. This christmas ben. Yeah it seems like Mlb owners hoping that we do not have went to play in a few months so it seems to be in their interest to drag their heels because the lessons resolved. Maybe the easier. It is for them to say well we can start the season a little later which Like if if they were starting the season a little later or wanting to start the season with a later because they felt like it wasn't safer or something or or because they didn't want to put players in those conditions than that would be fine. But that's not because like we just had the season they played so i think it's it's not that it's just that they want to maximize the money in minimize the games. And you know a lot of people think the season should be shorter anyway. And there's some merit to that argument. I think but in this case it just seems like well. We wanna pay pro-rated salaries during the time when we will not be making as much money as we could because The vaccine will not have made its way to enough people for everyone to be comfortable filling up ballparks yet so so yeah why not drag things out in do a little if it makes it easier for us to argue for that. They have so little confidence in our memories. I remember being very uncomfortable. Watching human beings in the stands at the world series. I remember that. Yes so little confidence. It's really shocking. Like as we were recording this it is the seventh night of hanukkah and like a week from now. Almost is christmas eve. Where did this terrifying year ago. ben. I'm i'm not sad about seeing go but did surely fly. Yeah when it wasn't dragging an interminable we're all gonna need a great deal of therapy. Yeah so we've basically done a whole episode here. We talked about maybe doing some emails. But i guess we can just push that next time for it so i did just one last. Thought on the league's conversation because randy. Wilkins tweeted something about this. Which is I think clinton. Yates touched on. Also which is that. Mlb should not cannot remove the description and titling of the negro leagues. Players should always be recognized as negro leaguers and to be clear like. I didn't get the sense that that was not going to happen or the democrat was suggesting that we shouldn't continue to refer to them as negro leaguers changing ammo pays designation of what the negro leagues were. So i don't think they are suggesting that we suddenly exclusively referred to them as major leaguers and not negro leaguer. So you know. I don't know that That was an implication here. But i agree that that absolutely should not be an implication. I don't think there's too much danger of that distinction being lost because we have the history. And because we have the league's baseball museum and because we have so many people preserving and sharing these stories i would hope that there's not too much imminent danger of people forgetting the history here and just Lumping all of the major leaguers together in a historical sense like in a statistical sense. Maybe we showed or we can in certain ways that have not been done to this point. But i hope that no one is saying that We should pretend that there's not still a distinction or that they were not playing in different leagues like just different leagues. That were both of major league quality with incredibly skilled players but there were different leagues for reasons that it is pretty important not to sight of. Yeah i think that. I didn't get the sense that there was any plan to do that but i also think that baseball major league baseball. I should say because i think we probably this this conversation. Not that you. And i are having although that you are having but the sort of broader conversation here suggests that we we really ought to do as a collective a better job of distinguishing between mlb and sort of small be baseball. But i think that i am sympathetic to the concern that mlb might take an appropriate stance two aspects of history that it actively played a hand in denigrating so while. I don't get the sense that there was any sort of move here to do anything other than recognize what we all already knew about the quality of the play. I don't begrudge someone wanting to be like. Hey just to be sure we do too. We need to make this very very clear. Because i think while we don't want to dwell exclusively on the racism and prejudice that kept negro leaguers out of major league baseball and we do want to be sure to celebrate the players. They were on the fields and the people they were off it. We certainly don't want to lose that historical understanding or the context of their place so Yeah i think. It's i think it's good to be like. Hey just double checking right having exemplary track record on this course. Let's just yeah. I did see andrea williams. Say on twitter that you know she thinks it actually is important to reclassify them just to establish you know. I'll read what she said here. I say this all to say this is the end of a thread. Some of us. And when she says us she is referring to other black people actually need to hear that. The negro leagues were major league level. That in the words of shonda rhimes we were slash art the damn candy. Some of us need this recognition so we can stop helping these bashes of white supremacy diminish are worth and i think that's important to like yes. They wear majorly quality. But maybe not everyone knows that maybe not everyone recognizes that and maybe more people will now and frankly like when i was growing up and i was a kid and i was learning about baseball and reading about baseball. Like my impression as someone who learned about it through the lens of you know my race and mlb as it was defined then in the american league. The national league is that you know. I thought well there were great players in the negro leagues and that's undeniable. Because so many of them went on to be great players whence they made it to the ayler the nfl. But i did think that the overall level of quality in the league was lower just because of the population of players who were there because of the conditions of that like i was not well educated about this and you know there was not as much research and scholarship about it at the time and so i thought like yo. Josh gibson was great. Maybe the average player was not as good and now mind has been changed about that and i don't know if the quality of play was one to one he probably wasn't identical. It's tough to say but it certainly wasn't a clear major versus minor situation. There may be others who have not come across this incredibly persuasive research. That may actually benefit from hearing this because when you look at just all the evidence that points toward these leagues being every bit as good whether it is the performance of black players from the negro leagues in exhibition games against white players. Were they more than held their own. Whether it's the way so many former negro leaguers just dominated the al and nl for decades after integration and black players were just so prominent excelled so much in the wake of segregation that it was incredibly obvious that of course all of these great players who came out of the negro leagues and were immediately amazing. Like you know. of course. They were already playing in a a great laboratory for their skills. You know a great place where they were able to develop and play against title competition and and just all of the stats and the research. That are out there. It's pretty apparent that That these leagues were close to equivalent in terms of skill. But you know not everyone knows that or up being taught that or reading that and so i hope that that will change that. The next generation who grows up reading about baseball thinks of it as well. There can't be of an or a majors if you're not including the black players and hispanic players in that because like the white leagues at that time were also diminished by the absence of the percent hispanic players and their quality was reduced to so i think that's Important for everyone to know in. Maybe this makes it easier for everyone to know that and recognize that. Yeah i agree. I think that having an accurate understanding of history is always a worthwhile endeavor and so this is an important corrective toward that goal and an. I'm not suggesting that you think otherwise. With the way we talk about that is also important and so. I'm glad that this is the result of it. And i hope that major league baseball. Here's the feedback of the day. The good and the bad and use it to do better in the future and that we get an opportunity to earnestly continue the celebration of these players so that their families can experience that and so that fans can experience that and so that we have a better understanding of the game that we really love because it would be a real shame to like you said it. Would you know we. We want future generations to know this better than we did. And i think that this this definitely helps to further back. Well yeah one less point that randy made on twitter and you know he said the overall he's he's genuinely happy about the news but he still sort of wrestling with certain of it and he wrote the other aspect of this that. I'm honestly still struggling with. Is this idea of default authority albi as the only game in town so it possesses this power to unilaterally bestow recognition and determine the level of influence that recognition wheeled spite default and that is a strange sort of situation where like the very entity that kept. These players out is also in the position of like being able to you know. Shine a spotlight on them now. It it's almost like the industry is like regulating itself or something like there should be some some independent authority or something that decides these things but because mlb is such a dominant force in the baseball landscape. Like it's a big deal. What they say. And what their records say. Even if doesn't change the facts or or the reality it's it's just inevitable that like how mlb treats these things will be. A lot of people encountered them. So you know saber is doing. Its own inquiry here before. Mlb announced that it was doing this. Saber announced that it had formed a task force to consider this question as well and many of the people who have contributed to the body of knowledge about the negro leagues are also safer members. Including larry western gary ashville and others. So they're certainly equipped to do that. And and they may make the same determination. That mlb did here but there are multiple prongs to this but randy's rated it is sort of strange that like mlb has the the position of authority here like you know not the sole authority but it's just undeniable that if mlb put out a press release. It's just going to get a lot of attention and it's going to be something that influences what people think even if there are other people who are already saying this for years or happen saying something different i think that it gets back to this idea of the institutions that put up barriers being in a position to celebrate taking them down and i think that the credibility of those efforts is determined in large part by by the people outside of the institution that they bring in to be a part of that process. And so i am hurting to see some of the folks that we've been discussing seemingly very intimately involved in this process but yeah it is. I don't know that there's ever going to be a way to really reconcile that. In a way that's satisfactory. And in some ways i think at least for folks like you and i having to sit with that. Discomfort is probably instructive in away. That's valuable so yeah. So there's that part of it yeah. I don't have a good solution to that to that issue. I think that having a broader and more inclusive understanding of what baseball is which likely means you know looking beyond major league baseball and even beyond baseball in the united states is one way to help us situate it in a way that i think makes you appreciate the the sort of broad nature of the game rightly. Baseball is not just major league baseball break. Despite major league baseball's efforts to make all baseball in the us connected patriots baseball not live under the one baseball sky net yet a broader understanding. I think i hope that will be one of the legacy of this year. Because i feel like i am personally more conscious of that distinction than i was coming to this year. Because of so many things because of the centennial celebrations of the negro leagues findings. Because mlb screwed up in. The us screwed up so much that for a long time. Mlb was not the game in town and we were all watching. K b o and p b and c p l and paying attention to these other great leagues that You know stand on their own. So i think between those two things hopefully even as as trying to consolidate its control over domestically. Hopefully people are even more aware now that in terms of the history and in terms of the international landscape. There's a lot more to baseball than just be. Yeah i think that we. Every time i see like the cup for county like i miss baseball. I get what you mean like. You must be able to go to the ballpark which we all miss. Not not just in the usual offseason way. But i'm like but i have the dominican winter league on as a edit right now what we're podcasting but like i'm watching dominican winter league and guess what a lot of those guys are going to make their way into the majors like you know it's like there's lead guerrero junior league. You have tied to baseball. That is local. Like you just need to seek it out a little bit. And i think that connection between something that is far flung but also has its its tendrils into something that might be much closer to home is really really cool and we shouldn't take advantage of that while we can because you know. December is a lonely month for the baseball fan. If what you want is to be able to walk down to the ballpark that's near to you. But there's a lot out there for you if you want to sit and watch a game so i hope that you're right that one of our lessons this year is that we can engage more thoroughly if we just seek it out all right so we will talk about all of this. Perhaps we will have some of the people that we have been referencing here on the show to to talk about the stuff in the coming days because it's important and because There's no other baseball either. So we we do a baseball podcast that continues year round on the same schedule. Even when baseball's schedule changes pretty dramatically. 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EP38  Dan Cevette of PBR New York/Pennsylvania Talks Recruiting, Showcases, and Player Evaluations.

The Morning Brushback with Dan Blewett

1:18:25 hr | 6 months ago

EP38 Dan Cevette of PBR New York/Pennsylvania Talks Recruiting, Showcases, and Player Evaluations.

"And then how do you say the vet or Chevette? S.. A. V. E., T. severe. Okay! Cool those on my list of things to clarify. Right, welcome back I hope we're alive at this moment. I'm Dan blue. Looking back to the morning brushback PODCASTS, I'm here with my co host. Bob Evens Bobby. How you doing I'm doing great my studio car. You're one once again in your vehicle You said Your House is being shown today that right our sonar Condo, so or showing a lot of showing this morning. It's pouring rain here some rain. That's some things in the background. That's what that is. All right and we also have a great guest today. Dan should be is here from PBR new. York Dan's former professional baseball player currently is in terminator mode just completing workout where he squatted, was it eleven hundred pounds, you said. Yeah at least a least thanks for being on the show at onto beyond here you guys and talk about baseball the state of the game. What we do my story. Yes so Dan I connected last week. We a lot of our Jefferey Richard. Episode and I've been aware of him for a little bit on the web. He is a good message. constantly tweeting out just like good things for parents and players and. Coaches to understand the recruiting process, and just about the game in general, so we're excited to to have him on the show and you do have a crazy story so. It's funny that you're like inslee. I was just I was just watching total using that movie. I'll problem. It's not ringing a bell back in the day Arnold Schwarzenegger's like he's like a construction worker, but he's really a secret agent. And then he goes to Mars, and so you're you're were working on the oilfields. A couple years ago before you got back into baseball. Can you on that? Yeah, well, what's funny is guys I'm two hundred and fifty pounds now and six four, and when I was when I got draft in two thousand. One sixty five, so you can imagine there's been quite a quite a difference. In. In the way of train I actually trained harder now that I'm not playing with just kind of nodded matter early ositive thing, Elba kids but Yes so! What's executed works. I started Nov coming from a from the one of the smallest public schools Pensilvania. Thirty two kids, graduating class and super fortunates the draft if they're gonNA. The Higher School was actually the Pennsylvania play of the year. I have no idea how to even Dick. But, but it happened it was. It was surreal situation for me and my. Family in the town and Played, a long-time dealt with some injuries. And just battle learn learn the game I learned to respect the game. Ally, and and just how to how to be a good person how to how to show up on time for things and we're you know we're through adversity and so yours six four and one sixty five and high school, and is that right? Yeah, and you were. You're a third round draft. Pick at school, right? So what what was what was that like? I mean being a I mean you'd have so many scouts at the games to be drafted that high high school right? Yeah, best story ever was my last thought on my high school season I was at a place called county, valley which is in northern Pennsylvania. They had no chance. Thad cows grazing in the back in the field MRS now I'm not joking house for about four hundred fifty feet away, and I had about thirty eight scouts, their headquarters, few scouting directors and Samaria guys was every team was attendance. And I. I gave up a home. Run the skit hit of all across highway. It was one of the largest home runs I've ever given up even in vogue all and after the game I wrote home with the Indian scout that ended up drafting. To do one of those psychological tests and He wanted to thank and I said I cannot believe I. Just I just blew my chances because Yom eighteen years. Have you think that just ruined by giving up a home? Van That pitch was ninety one. On the inside. If your cap to the Hitter, you earned yourself a lot of money. So. That was crazy to me at that time thinking why ninety one are. Fitch got hit four hundred feet, and that elevated me into the south firearms so great at just crazy. It's crazy out happen, but yeah. We had tons had tons of scouts starts. It was. humbling and always done a very coming from small blue collar town I got one stop light in my town. My parents still live there. Brother doesn't live too far from there, so. I'm a homer Guy I know we all are we all have egos in the baseball world and it's is part of the game I think as we take a lot of pride in what we do. We Love Passion. Game Face. You know it's it's hard. It's hard to turn those on and off and not have kind of bleed into each other right. Some guys get misunder. Miss. Readiness understood that they have a crazy ego. They're just an EGOMANIAC. With my twitter account I never had twitter two thousand seventeen I said. Yom Start this and try to motivate people. Who is on my experiences? And like? What do I know I? I'm not I wasn't a big leaguer. And you know who's GonNa. Follow me unbelievable like it. Just Kinda, Lou off and. Now, it's like I. Feel like it's a purpose trying to help. These kids and I'm so thankful that I do what I do the. PBR, but also they're not coming to one of my events. That could be from Texas right now. If I could give any advice to be. You know it's it's really what I'm trying to do is just give advice to people and your my experience and open platform. Is is is positive I. The negative guy guy so. A lot of adversity playing a game. We just talked we are. You asked about the oilfield when I got Outta Plan I woke scholars baseball, two, thousand, eight nine. And realized that wasn't. Going to be my ticket I Costa there's one as recruiting coordinator that. I was a head coach at the junior college while I was the head coach at the junior college I was working the night shift at a airport. I worked the night shift and therefore to coach junior college during the day. Running. Has. His on Utah needed to change. And basically the oilfield was kicking in the northeast back in two thousand eleven twelve thirteen. That rain got the Marcellus Shale. They call it and it was it. They were really getting after I had a body that was in it, and he said hey come. We'll make crazy money I'm like all right. Thumb jumped in. I, didn't know anything thing about it, but what I did know how to work saw. I took I took the sledgehammers I took whatever I could, and I just got after I remember I started in January and you're out swinging hammers, hanging off a wellhead, twenty five feet in the air, and it's like twenty degrees, and your hands go numb and you feel like you know there's a lot of pressure what you're doing. Because everyone's on the ground watching watching you swings in this hammer, and to make sure you don't screw it up and I have have the passion and the ego about. Not, screwing up being good so. I learned really fast. I gained everyone's respect quick and I moved up the ladder like six months I was the I was a coil tubing operator. I ended up getting sent the Oklahoma and got a crane license. I have a CDL. I want to welcome show school. I, like we? We have a We have like a someone watching that that makes movies. We got apply now. It is and this is not fabricated all. Thumb Salmon Oil for about a year and a half. We're doing. It's making good money. I'm grinding, but working eighty hours a week minimum. One Week we've we work the entire week. We got paid for every hour today we have we had this shift leaping. Because we're the only crew there and we were we were. There was no relief, so we were literally working around the clock. and. That got that got a little bit off and. The main guy on my on my units. used to play baseball. You know I want you to I want you to. Show me how you feel and I was like well. We don't have anything onsite to throw. No, Doug. I went and my grab some rocks. You know rocks throwing rocks on the side and work boots, overalls, showing you know. The Guy was trying to show off to his guys. I got I got an expo player on my staff. You know normally them. So. I started doing that and I was like I'm GonNa keep on a little bit and. Two weeks of thrown rocks in Ohio. I, asked the Guy Hey can I go to a child in Allentown Pennsylvania. and. He said you take a company truck. Headquarters you just use. Take it you go come back. We won't say a word so I did that. I got halfway. It was pouring rain. The Guy Tax me the a major league scouting bureau guy this. This was even have that anymore. Major League scouting. Bureau guys says Hey. We gotTA cancel the trial. And and I was like well. I'm like halfway and I got I gotta do this, and so he said. I'll get. I'll get a multiple catcher will find the bullpen, and once it clears up, you throw. I did that I got to I got to throw and. Believe, it or not like. I was ninety four to ninety seven from the left side and. I hadn't thrown that hard I was ninety one ninety three very much through all my entire career wall Sonam swinging sledgehammers, physical y'all get Manse, cranked and non throw ninety, four, ninety seven. And I remember thinking okay, said listen. I don't know what this means I have to put it out on the water that every. And I drove back in the company truck I got about halfway and had like seven office to be back into pro ball, so snaps when I set him. Many I'm going to do this. Again I'm still young. Enough might tied down anything and I'm going to get after it, so my I had my agent from what I played still really good friends that hey a set up a workout I had like fifteen teams down in Florida I went to embry riddle familiar with that one I'm real. The coaches awesome down there he was like hey, come down to my guys and will host. It was it was great, so I did that of sitting ninety three ninety six. Solid eighty-three monitor slider, which is the best I've ever throw a slider. In my life and I had I literally had to negotiate four. Signed with the pirates and wanted to Aa with them. Did the big league spring kind the next year and It was it was awesome. I got the play my home state and Altoona and. Now, that fast I want to. I went to the winter leagues played and. Ended up deciding to jump into the world and. I'll be honest. You guys like I. Love I love Lamb, and I love the traveling, and and the and the grind trying to get to the big, leagues. Like every time you went out your brothers yet, brothers on the other side. You had brothers Vol- fan. But you still you're competing right. You're still trying to outdo everybody because you want to get the big leagues and I thought that really. Really taught me a lot about you know just working through life and all the town is it gives you because maybe at workplace with someone. You both want to be that next level, Java. With it's a friend years and you gotta find a way to get through those kind of things so. So. Happy what I'm doing now help. Styles, kids and There's a lot of there's a lot of bad eggs in the baseball world. I can promise you guys that me and my staff to the PA. We are as the good guys, and we're working very hard for the player now and I think that's that's easily seen by what we do on social media. What we do at our client's long long wizard answer well, so we jump back. If this is like our movie script here so once you got signed. What was the word from the guys on the oil field? While, they were. They were happy for me, They. They thought it was cool from the start that they had a guy that played pro ball. That was good I mean I. was I was with guys from Oklahoma Texas. They're all up in the northeast and they didn't know anybody. And you know I I haven't solid personality so like we got along really well and like I, said I worked. I worked hard I wasn't I'm not lazy, so I worked hard and people respected at eight. You out here. People respect that. And I think they also thought it was cool that I was able to advance. Really fast like the crane license was actually a really big I can go operate a crane in any state right now. which is pretty wild. Thank you honestly like I can go do that. Make seventy five bucks an hour I wanted. Sponge. Bobby and his jeep right here and just like talk him in the river and say. Up and set him numb, really nice easily. Yeah, we have we doesn't. And It's cool driving. See The you guys know how much. Pressure, when you're I was driving a coiled tubing unit away two hundred and eighty thousand pounds. Coiled Tubing Unit as Dan. Are. You got to clarify what these things are so? So, if anyone that cares with probably no one does, and that's the FBI. No, but go on. We do any of this a FRAC. A fracking unit is like. They've. Go down the Galley ever well, they they create these. Safety stages trying to get natural gas out of the ground. That's like that's like early. Not explanation of what it is. A coil to unit is the coil that goes down in the ground about six thousand feet, and then those out another six thousand feet, and it either cleans the. Or drills plugs. They put plugs in each day to. You throw them housing. Start getting natural gas walk. Like I said hopefully cares. About, but that's what quotes. And we had you have to operate. The coil through a school goes down. You know you all that you have to watch weights and all this. lubrication down the whole y'all poppy zoo is a lot of there's a lot of things to, and it's. It is dangerous for the all natural gas like really deep in the ground and. That's why I went to law school and all that stuff. Is Really really complicated and it's. The tech is crazy that I mean you said six thousand feet like that's so deep into the ground. Berdyansk crazy, and then it goes mile. Isn't that over a mile? Then you go another email. Go down a mile out of mile summer longer than ABS little farther you get away the more weight and stuff the pressure you have to work. Look at because you know you're getting weaker. The farther you get away from the under unit, but yeah. I'm driving those around the hills of West Virginia hundred thousand pounds. I'm telling. You WanNa. Talk about the tight. Pitching in the ninth inning with Baseload Nafa driving a coil tubing union with people in the thing that one hundred eight thousand pounds on downhills and uphills. Scary ships Naga I actually have a slight experience with with that kind of thing so when? Hear me out, Wa. He's had never had a commercial driver's license, but in two thousand one A. Two thousand thirteen and two hundred twelve. My business partner Lucas cooking I, we I was a really good shopper for strength equipment in our my academy, so I was always looking for like surplus auctions and stuff like that I finally I was holding out for dumbbells for forever is if you've ever bought dumbbells, they're crazy expensive. You've one sixty pound dumbbell that ninety bucks. And then you need another one. That's also ninety bucks. It's like the worst value for what I mean. dumbbells sit on the rack most the time, right? You need multiple pairs, so have everything they need I held out for a long time, dislike looking for the right by finally Illinois or a Iowa state. Had all their football. exercise equipment on auction because they got a new weight room was like it's time we bought something like fifteen thousand pounds of dumbbells for thirty two hundred dollars. I'm like that like we had to two sets of every way up to one twenty five. Two pairs of one fifteen two pairs, one ten two pairs of one. Oh fives insane set of Dumbbell, so we got, so we'd to go pick them up. which is about five hours away? And we rented the biggest truck that you could rent, so it was like a you know I don't know like a sixteen foot truckers on whatever the biggest thing you get around without. Have Africa have a CDL and we get to Iowa state. It takes us four hours to low them out by hand. Because we were stupid, didn't bring hand trucks and stuff we have farmers. Walk all these news weights up. And then we put them in the struck, and it was so far overloaded. It was like insane because we've all those dumbbells. We also bought a bunch of weight plates and some barbells. And it was like five thousand pounds over the trucks. Limit goes really unsafe bad thing to do Dan shaking his head. And so damn tree you can imagine. Then we had a blizzard essentially, so it was like snowing. Be Hallway and I was driving, and I was like I'm going to kill Lucas as soon as I've made any turn. The whole truck was dislike kept wanting to go that way. Yeah. It was terrifying house white, knuckling the whole way. It was blizzard ing. We had way too much weight in the back I'm like I'm going to kill my business partner. We'd just become partners I'm like this is the worst and it was. So I have a little bit of under appreciation for what you make. It was Terry. The way. They probably saved your ass. Could've deputise. It could've did. It was scary and Peoria Illinois for those who've been there is really wind e like into the city and we to go through the house like we're not doing that. I made an executive decision to take another hour route to go into a flatter place because I was like. There's no way I'm going to take some those curves downhill on the truck like now. I'll tell you let me tell a quick story. super-quick. We had all the time you need. Just I'm driving down interstate. Okay on Pennsylvania familiar with that and it's a little I'm near Inbetween Indu Voice and steakhouse. Okay, so the guys that. Were wrapped. I'm going down. Interstate. Eighty I have asked near with me in the in the coral tiven. We're going down around van. Going around sixty five miles an hour, we blow a front tyre. Guy So I blow a front tyre. And your first initial thing is to hit the trailer. which you do not do because we're going to. We're going downhill sixty five miles an hour hundred eighty thousand pounds. We have a clip. Up here, we stood for probably seven hundred feet. On Long. Skit I would play this watch. As soon as that, I started looking for other jobs because I was scared to death the drive after that happened and back I. Bag into just drive the crane, which is almost like a truck. It wasn't as heavy it was. It was way easier to control. The back end of the trailer started to move a little bit. If that would tipped, we would all die I. Mean we would literally dive, so it was. It was the scariest thing ever and. Talent I don't know, baseball helped me through that, but. A my experiences in the Appalachian League. Probably got me through it. I got booed out my first era off the pitch and. The cone crowd. It's your home crowds. I'm giving I give a five slot in the first thing. They got one out of my home. Crowd is literally doing doing. Refresh graphic. I got this guy yelling in the to throw. KNUCKLEBALL is in the in the. It's in the stands. I'm getting booed as they call excited over thirty pitches. They have endings had a real over thirty in the first year. Your like you're done. I had like thirty five pitches one out. They come out and told me and I'm like getting booed I remember going in the shower to take a shower and I sat in my locker like my second or third starting for wall and I'm like. What the hell that I just get into like I. Just dominated everybody in high school, and literally I am getting crushed. Different core hit him also far that might. it was it was insane. The Danville braves were loaded. Had Brian McCann ESCA Val. As I mean, they were unbelievable for advanced rookie and I was behind years eighteen years old. Bailey, what a leak! You guys are GonNa. See Real quick. I like the junk all over the place. That's what we do in the show. Anyway. I mean we back-and-forth. Driving whatever I've got driving horror stories because they offer a couple of hours by. What's your favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie? Kindergarten COP. That's the worst pick. Expect? The worst night referred I'm not a big. Throwback ones I was watching the running man recently. Such a weird he's at. The whole time just making arnold noises away, that's. Why you! I would do I went to big league spring training with the royals and my across the hall from the Cross. The thing was cal Farnsworth. That is who made me. WanNa be at least. He's just annihilating people both with thrown balls, and with tat form tackles now. He's an awesome guy and he's like super. CH- still down to Earth Man, he is hiring. I was like I wanNA. I WANNA. Get like that. I want to be physical, and I literally have been now I probably on. Working out. For the past four five years and it's it's a lifestyle now, I mean it's it's. It's I miss a day. Literally it hurts. It makes makes my day with that like I. Need to work out during the day. I need to get a swat on him accomplishing something so. Yeah so throughout your career. What was your playing like Windy Day. You're retired finally your second stint was you're playing. To twenty five to thirty two, you're trending upward, but six four to twenty five like not i. mean that's like a pretty average look athlete. Right? I was I was pretty physical when I got back into. Like I said. I was swing sledgehammer sixteen pound sledgehammers for a year and a half. You get your foreign. Frank is on either I really attest the velocity for the form Frank. I never did a program. You know the new programs and I'm not against them. I'm not against anyone out there kind help players and make love and not against. But I didn't do it I did long false and I think the physicality of the. Grip strength of forums. His dementia. The Dominicans always used to say. You know they pointed their form, and that's how they do heart and you never. You don't know that when you're. But Walnut form strength is this is one of the things I think it's interesting for people to conceptualize. Is You could so you could be like a bodybuilder and be really big and strong here and here, and wherever else and you can have really weak forearms like if you're not holding lots and lots of weight in your hands, but the opposite is not true if you can hold five six hundred pounds in your hands, and you have really strong forums, everything else up. The chain is strong with it. So I think there's I think the forms are definitely underrated as far as things are train not to a help, protect your elbow, but people that have really strong forums, big or really strong forums there strong everywhere else because you're forms grew and got big because you're swinging a sledgehammer, but everything else was equally as strong as as forms were because of swing that sledgehammer. Right it was it. It's almost like these are an indicator of how good your? Entire muscular chain is. Would you agree with that? Yeah No! Really interesting to me is I I've gotten a lot bigger, but I haven't lost flexibility. An, On site I I remember the is you've probably seen the. That's my biggest things. Now is like it I think the game has shifted the bigger stronger faster. I'm an advocate of that, but flexibility is the King Day so. I would do sit and reach. I'd be like soccer though I had a ton of flexibility, my lower half my and my hips and a huge correlation now that we know that if separation shoulder separation all that stuff and help create pork within the body now we're strong physical themselves that we still have that. Lacks ability. It's just it's just common sense that you're GonNa have. More velocity I mean with a batter or hitter. You'RE GONNA. Get more fourth in the swing or or thrown, and could you see the guys that are walkie like me prepare? They can't move, they can't. Flexible, and it's. Just lucky I guess but I'm a huge advocate of flexibility and. Just, Just because my sad guys want to see if I can still always like our still ninety ninety one without even a phone program. Just just you know an, and I've always thought. Hey, I'm GONNA grow for three months and then go see what I can do. Why because I have fire? Baseball guy and that's what we do we also. Talked about old man's strength a bunch recently. Like it's really GonNa theme on the show Barbara you working out at all these days I started doing it again, I was on the Dan Row Ramsey. Both you're both dance. I can't even reference the. The dance of program so beat. Just because I was doing I've always done. Constructions have always had the Jackhammer I've always unconquered even when I was younger, but help my mouth on my dad, so like holding wheelbarrow full of concrete wet concrete. Like the stabilising muscles. You have to use in your core because it's. It's one wheel, yeah! And it's all forearms so I. Mean I don't know if I always had good armament. Attributed to doing construction like it's not as blatantly obvious as maybe what you were doing, but It's always. I've always been doing some of that physical stuff, and now is even more so like jump back in the weight room dead lift pretty much what I did when I was playing without. Debt. Lifting couple of months at least. Just old man strength I. Mean It's as we age your muscles. Just figure it out. Like hot to stay strong without the consistent wraps. Yeah well, it's funny. I so Dan I the opposite experience of you I was lifting like an animal from the first asset foot in college at eighteen, all weapons when I retired thirty, and then I had like A. I mean we had. We had to break up and just now trying to get past that and I've worked out for three straight weeks Bob. Three three weeks I'm. GonNa go again today to be the first time I've done. Three workouts restrengthen workouts in weekend almost four years. and. It's still weird. It's like hard for me I. Don't feel the way you do Dan. Were you know you're like you'd like need to do it? And you feel refreshed and it's like. I did it so long chasing that dream that one. That dream was dead. I just like it had to get off me and. I'm trying to figure out what fitness looks like for me now, so it's funny that every athletes journey is different. And I have had like some weird feelings recently, just being back onto the bar is I've been working on across Jim I. Don't do crossfire. I have a gym membership there and it's hot in there. It's same atmospheres before i. like feel like my old self. For the first time in a long time in their like, but I. don't have the same goals and. It's really it's hard. It's been a weird experience like mentally. It's hard to describe, but just like recently a lot of spend flooding back like I'm twenty years old again. And but I'm not so. I mean I'm happy. That I'm in a routine again like it's definitely sticking like I'm. I'm GONNA keep going. But like the way I feel about, it isn't the way like you feel about a danner like some other people who were just really like. It's like a bright spot their day. I'm. That's just not how it is for me, but every athletes different in the way they interact with stuff after their Ordonez. That's how cardio I I was I was a pitcher and I said I am basically a sugar fitter. The runner and I did that for a law coming years professionally and I told myself I'm not running again. Well. You know I think I need to. We don't know that I've. I feel better when I run for sure. I like having my lungs in shape. I started running again. Just. Throwing not not any like integral off. Just distance on. It's it's a pain to get through I knew I needed to work. On. The road I can't deal with treadmills some out there doing some roadwork and Man after though you feel amazing like you. You feel so good after you get out there, you're. He got the spot on though I started doing that recently. To, Fifty S is is in saint like I'm like it's it's. It's a really strong to fifty, but man like it's like I'm like wow, like two fifty is a lot it's it's on your legs. It's it's a lot of stop. Now she'll be tough there on that one with that much weight for sure like my dad was a amazing distance runner and It just like anything else. The sports selects your body for you, so there's a reason all marathoners are hundred fourteen pounds. You know so it's. It's tough to be running with that much weight I. Mean I'm two hundred pounds on. It's still I feel heavy at times, just jogging like. Let's transition into PBR talk because that's the topic of the twitter topic of the week, and it's also you know where you make a living Dan, so tell us the button pr New York OC- guys do and kind of what's happening up in the northeast. Yes, so let me Kinda Sarwar happened I was I was playing in Puerto Rico, two, thousand, fourteen in the Winter Leagues and was. Dealing with a little bit of an arm injury like a basically most of my career unfortunately. So It was time to the cycle transition and see. What can I do? What can I do to stay in the game? College did back in my college degree in two thousand, nine thousand Texas League so I did have. Like our I gotTa College. Games I should be able to land coaching, job or something in the game. Scouting whatever and I saw PBR. Idea, what was that was? Fourteen idea what it was, TV are no clue the know. Ribbon and I know professional writing. USED PBR. So had annoyed it what it was email email the guy that was started at all, and we went back and forth on some conversations and long story short. I walked Chicago Matt Everybody. We hit it off and based on my flight back to New York. They set They called me and Detroit said Hey. We want you to be the guy that crushes New York and so I said. Okay And, I've been I've been added since then. You know I didn't know anybody. I didn't have any connections, but again a common theme to this whole conversation is. I work hard, and I was willing to not make any money. Start and work really hard. Build relationships with people prove that we're going to be consistent. We're going to be credible. We're going to be honest. And that wasn't going to be. A money grab because there's a lot of those in our business. We live so I told myself I will never be that and I will go to. I will go neck and neck. Whatever would anyone who thinks differently? I will never be a monograph. We'll work our are our. To the bone will work ours. Ours ours health kids will do thanks for free We'll scout the highschool seasons with three, and we did. We've we. We don't charge a player anything who scouted last year New York. We did five. We wrote a five hundred players in the high school season in New York. Literally zero dollars was with downrated from that, and that's fine because that was. That's her high school season. That's the kids time to shine and. You don't have the kids Stroz. Accomplish showcase. That's on the parents they they make that decision or if they come, we're going to give them everything that we say that we're GonNa give give them an opportunity by form, and there's some ownership of all guys, and that's the problem I. Think there's ownership. If you come and you don't do well, that's not my fault. If we made a mistake, we'll fix it, but it's not our fault. You know if you didn't reform law. Not Every player is a showcase guy. You don't think I. Get that House Baseball Park I. Know as aren't what they aren't like. My here that I left on post pop times. It's an showcase setting guys. The catcher knows he's the second, so yeah, the times are going to be a little better. They're out of their approach. Hearing people on twitter complained about that stuff is is mind boggling? It's like guys. Well let's talk about that. One was early for a second so. We. All know like in the big leagues. Good pop like two seconds right? Some guys from flash one nine like a one eight is like incredible in a game. And yet you know high school. Kids are saying I throw one eight I. Throw One. A five were in those numbers, so you get it like it's not a real number. But why are we getting so far from what the actual number like you know what I mean like. If. We know that it's not the right number. Why do we get so far from? I think I think in our situation we have to do. The metrics for you say. What can we do for off Infield it weekend? The sixty right, we can test that and test arm strength, and we can do the the hitting what we do for catcher. while. Get the strength which is important. We have the sixty, so we kind of have an idea. What kind of books to have right? And then the pop time is the age old. It's like sixty it's it's kind of like all with wool, but it's so narrow and sort of relevant. To me, it's like. You can have you could have a seventy two mama or arm, or an eighty three hour, and you go same pop times. Depending on your quickness released And the pop I always say this now we fall in, and they might suffer recently. We had this many guys under a two or two. In a showcase meaning. The catcher is. He knows he's going to suffer though he's already cheating, we can't. We can't stop these kids and restart them every time here and there are these kids. Are there this what people don't get their their? Show the best they possibly can. They're like baseball, isn't it? I mean they are there to try to get a scholarship to try to get an opportunity to the next level so? You know as long as as long as we're being consistent with its pop time in a showcase glove to glove. That's what it is if it as a one eight nine. That's what it said that day we'll show you on video. The reason, it's that good so these. These automous couch is catching up forward. Sounds like it's a known pitch out. But it's the thing that bothers me is that? You have people. That WanNa like dispute and I'm like listen, it is what it is. It's an a showcase in the game. It's going to be different. It's going to be less. They don't know they're throwing their cats and they have received the ball completely in the crowd before they get out. We tell them all the time. Stay backstage back up again. They're trying to like. You have to hand it to these guys. They're fine. Every little edge to try to make their numbers look better and at the end of the day. We are a platform and the college. Coaches have to do their. Do their, Dunga. That's fair. I get that answer Baba's. That make sense to you. What's I? Think it's just all relative to you know if if you've got ten kids and they all run a six eight at at a showcase unquote showcase. Nobody's really separating themselves right around quotes there. Yeah I appreciate it. if you've got catchers at are all one, eight, two, two, one nine to at a showcase, they're not really separate themselves from each other like coaches understand when they're looking at these numbers. Like okay, they're not. It's all relative like if a if a kid is one eight five show as everybody, else's two. Oh five like that kid is probably he's better than everyone else that day. And then obviously something use your is When I was coming through high school showcases were basically like an invite only type thing were eric coates in Chicago have some called silver black series, which was an invite only and PBR, actually started in Chicago, so the first ever magazine was my graduating class highschool, so we did like a showcase. An actual hard copy magazine in Paris will have somewhere that write ups on everybody. actually pretty cool was like you know. Something that never been done before, but everything was relative. If. Like if you're taking three crops thrown across the diamond and Heathrow eighty four and the guy, next thing throws ninety two. It's obviously kid of throwing ninety. Two better are like he's obviously not ninety two across the diamond in a game when it's for work, and he's got to get rid of the ball, but it's all relative, and that's really what you're you're measuring. To everybody else. It's it's my lungs and easy for. We're great a great source for information. And the coaches. You, know they they. They need it, they they can't be everywhere. Can't be anywhere though. They use us, but they still have to make their own decisions, but. Like? Your skewed the numbers it's like. It it's just like listen you. Come and do your stop. Watch on the candidates on it's. We're not like we don't have a vested interest here to make it better or worse. It's just the number. It's like I say this. The radar gone is the humble. It has no heart it does. It's not your travel coach. It's not your trainer. It's not your mom or your dad, and tell me seventy eight and I. don't care that you were told you through eighty five, or says seventy eight today, and that's the reality of what we're GONNA put out we're not gonNA change. because. You had eighty five last week in your mind or for full, it's a homeland, no heart. That's the radar gun is now we have track man, which is in major league baseball was literally industry standard of technology. The, Best Ball, flight information there is in the world in baseball and I will still get questions like. That can't be I'm like it's actually one hundred percent. Right like there's not. It's the most right. It's ever been in the history of humankind actually. It's like it's not my opinion. It's like we use lasers for sixties now because we got that. My my son ran a six on the track with his track coach, and you had seven to you. You must did it wrong no ma'am. We are using lasers. No human air which even NFL combine doesn't use laser laser. Still right her manage if. I'm of the longest time they kept getting faster because they were laser on one end, but hand timed on the other end didn't want it, and they didn't WanNa go to dual lasers, and and this is outdated information that they could have changed it by now, but at least a couple of years ago. They didn't want to go to two lasers because time start slowing down. And every year there's a little increase guys getting fast, or they're more four fours and four threes which are like insane. And they didn't want to take a step back. Which I kind of get, but it's still like. Why are we not using? Lasers fell combine on both ends. Think the issue with that was all sorts. Of faults are two bubbles. We we run into it all the time like the kid lifts his leg before he starts, it triggers. The the false starts are probably the biggest issue with the to weigh. Both hands Yeah? That would make sense in baseball because the baseball stealing stance, you'd always do a false start like that's the most. It's the most anatomically efficient way to run like your front foot lifts up goes underneath you and then you go forward. That's been something that's been like debunked overtime like we will. You gotTa Mash that foot into the ground and then go forward, but in reality the best friend is in the world I. Mean You look at Ricky Henderson? He had a false step every time his front foot lifts up slightly back. Because it puts you officiant position, and then you take off so I guess that makes sense right with guys in that stance. They probably all like ev literally every time right? Yeah I mean, and it goes back to what bobby just like. We can have six guys at a showcase on six eight K, which is really really premium athleticism, straight line athleticism now superpower cows goats still needs to know this guy to run the base. This guy know how to like track a Balmy off like just because you have a speed doesn't mean you play will leave speed. Okay! I've seen guys. Run Seven one seven twos better. Phenomenal outfielders take the bus routes. They played better than a non six. For sure and we have that experience because we see it, we see them in games. We Scalp High Highschool Season we scout tournaments. our workload. I'm not trying to to our home. Our workload is insane and it's it's extremely. Long and puns of tons of games and and stop on our will. We're not just seeing guys in the showcase, and that's it we we, we twenty four seven. We're out. We're out in the VOWEL. We're we're we have risked recovered determines this week. We cover my last week of twenty four teams in Pennsylvania. No PBR it's literally me sending guys. They're paying is to scout a tournament. Are. Low Rosana fields nothing. It's just Brian for the players. So it's it's frustrating and observed when people. have no literally no flu about one dollars off and. I got. I guess someone chime in a twitter here. I'm gonNA paraphrase kind of long, but basically ASCII set. The the numbers are objective. But what about the ranking so I would? Like Pbr I know in Illinois do rankings. Twenty twenty two class has one one fifty And I know I've experienced with some our players and their parents asking me like how can not ranked in the top twenty like numbers for just as good as a kid number twelve. His pop time is better than a kid who went to the same showcase. Ranked lower So what goes on all the rankings that you guys do on the website and it's a good question for the specific. Thank you that question is out there. So I'm only going to speak for New York. Because obviously. We all are all different our interstates and never has a little different formats. I'll to do things. So the first thing I want to say about the rankings are they are extremely challenging to do. Extremely talented and it's obviously easier for us to look at it from a showcase setting like. If you want to showcase, we obviously are seen. Thanks, we have video. We have numbers and we can start to correlate. Where you stack up in the rankings. If we see you in the high school seasons, we see you in a short game setting. You might three times maybe got walked twice. It's. It's really hard to say compare apples and apples so. The rankings I would say. We do a lot based of what we see at the shelf is. And it's just. It's just like really like we don't know everyone. We can't see our forty thousand players in high in high school baseball in New York. Forty Thousand S is nine hundred and fifty. Programs have JV and of our. New York loan consummated. It's a little bit less about twenty thousand. Though community states are looking at sixty thousand people. How are we supposed to know everyone? That's a parents on get. They'll say my kids better than this guy and I'm like well. We haven't seen you like. We literally haven't seen you, so it's not a fair. It's not fair if you came to something and that's where the business model comes in, and that's what people will say. Oh, it's you know you're just you're ranked the players that come to your events. Hey, what else are you going to do? My argument I. Literally like I disliked. I say. Well if we don't know the kid, we didn't see him scouting. How are we supposed to about how good your kids you know like we have achieved in the man. That's why the events are there. and I saw that shift for a Sam because three years ago. We had a kid who he was. He was in the top thirty of PBR rankings in Illinois since use a freshman. Is. He had early like I was the go between between him and Louisville he hadn't. Even he just started high school and I was talking to Louisville on his bath. It was a bizarre thing, but anyway he didn't go to APR event and so I. Think is junior year, but he was on the rankings for freshman and sophomore. Before that, so someone saw him like word was out on him obviously so. I guess they're doing something else like they're. They're out there seeing kids. You haven't been to showcase yet, so. That's the thing that bothers me. It's like. We're out when we go out and scout the highschool season or one. We Scout area codes or the areas of trial of the future. Star Games. Any of the big events, our national the national guys won't see. If, those kids are rank, they're going to be in the rankings. They didn't pass our. And so you get so much misinformation out there. The problem is people are impressionable, fast and a young parent. That doesn't know anything. They might hear next big leaguer. Runnin his mouth that about stuff. He has no idea about they're going to think. Oh, he must know because he played in the big leagues, but they don't know they don't. They don't have a cool. We're doing you know they just. They have like a small sample of it and. You know it's we have tons of guys on our rank is vendor Nevada, a so? They haven't paid the same thing we foot working on. But then if you do come on that and you do well, absolutely, we're GONNA. Rank you because you know you're supporting us. We're supporting. You were trying to build build a brand here we're trying to. We're trying to help with many kids. We can the kitchen WANNA come brutal show that they are. What they are, and then we do the rankings or baseball guys. There's not one person on my staff. That isn't a baseball guy. We are looking. We're talking about. Movements we you know. What? What do we think? This guy project says we don't see guys. We don't see everyone in the game, so throw it out the window. All the all the people that want to talk all you know the grit the heart. I wouldn't have the ability to measure that. You need to see some play fifteen twenty times how they treat their coaches how they run on the field off the field. Holiday with their parents? It is term kind of character. They have ICM for six hours. I have to make a determination in the rankings. mangams on guys I can't. I can't tell if he has a heart of a lion or if he's a week nail. I can't tell what I can't tell us make. I can see a little bit maybe how how he acts in outing but like. You know it's very tough to do make him. The people don't WanNa. Make that argument. You. Get on get Outta my line. I got no time for it because you're not being realistic, you don't. You're not thinking about the scope of. So on and with the rankings, I've I kind of like two little insights, but even for me as a coach when I had twelve pitchers on one of my. Team Staff. There wasn't a significant difference between me ranking like one of my pitchers like making a depth chart like hey, Timmy's number seven on my listen and Janis number eight, and he's more nine like when you get out of the top like four or five or everyone beyond that is like kind of He could be sick, so he could be a secret. Be My third string shores opera, my fourth string and I had a scout. Friends say the same thing. He's like look after the top ten rounds. He's like it's kind of a crap. Shoot of about where guys go, you'd go in the thirteenth. Thirteenth round. You could just as easily go in the thirty second round. He said there just isn't this like. We know that he's better than this person. And so I can imagine. You've seen a bunch of pitchers. What's the difference between a player ranked forty seventh and fifty I. There's no difference that's where I think a dome. You speak for you, but in my experience ranking just doing depth charts in my own academy, and like analyzing players, there's no difference between a players ranked one away and one thirteenth. It's just it's just the way they get folded into. It I mean that's my perspective. Where you on. The stuff and I take I take because I'm left handed and I also think wachner south. Or the value though I have a lefty, that's got a nice little arm action, and maybe the frame start a lot of time to develop and strength training. Before this you know in this century. In the baseball world like you can project. These guys are probably going to get better because they're gonNA work how they're going to get more physical. Though VIC- and eighty mile an hour left me with a clean arm, and I have an eighty four. Already that just early in this has strength I might have I might. Weigh in on the left E. being slightly better, and or the travel coach is going to say we're. We saw were terrible. We don't know how to do rankings because on eighty four guys below eighty guy. That's just my pendant. That's my volume. As the same owner that sets the way we do rankings to make my opinion, but that's just an opinion is not an absolute, you know. I might like an outfielder better than I like at first Baseman I might like a guy that swings it better than a really slick defender I. Don't know it's just it's just really it's up in like when you get past fifty. It is impossible it's. Because, then you type, you have to start keeping track of people you'll go. This guy is good. He needs to be ranked. Does he go beyond above number, sixty three, or is number seventy two. It's. Doing this, that's the issues with like when you're dealing with parents because I'm on the youth side and used to be as well like I I have a lot of parents that they asked me pbr worth it worth it. Said you need to do on like you need to get something out on the Internet. That has your numbers on it. But. They're not inexpensive, and some people don't have the means to do so it's when I get people that come back with. They perceive as like a bad ranking by PBR. They feel like they got under served. It's like what we do. Another one like this is ranked higher and if you look at us, beaver profile has been a three or four. Looked the more you do of anything the better off. It's like the more you get in front of the same people. The better they're going to either have A. You're gonNA either show better if you are better. Or they're going to have a different opinion. Every time they see you like. You can make a better impression of here in front of them more. If you only go to one, that's it. That's your impression, so if you ranked one hundred and you think you're better than the Kim's twentieth. Like regardless of the twentieth if he's gone five or six or ten PBR events like. You have to show how he shows all the time. A few underperform at one. You're not just going to be put ahead of him. Because whatever like you're you perform better? Your snacks are better. All relative and I try and convey that to parents. It's like they. Everybody wants to be ranked high. I. Get it. You want to be competitive. Kinda how you said it's gotta the crap. She wants to get past the forty or fifty ranch. Because everyone kinda gets lumped together, so if you want to be above those kids or other benefits. For. Sure you have to be in front of the those is more like if you want. Pbr New York to rank you higher like yeah, if you perform all your, I wanNA. Throw Ninety one off the off the mound like you're on the radar, but if you want to perform how you set, The one kid shows up all eighty five last week while you were seventy eight here. I don't know what to tell you buddy like you were here. I can only do what I only put her rating on. What I see I can't go by. You know two things. We had two guys New York State James. The past couple of days which. Part of my soul away from my body. We had two guys. In the twenty one class. Eight ninety loo right is that we haven't seen ever and now because we're not out working our butts off just because there's a lot of kids, those kids weren't even those kids were not ranked. They'RE GONNA be seniors in high school. They deserve. Top fifteen, but we have to step. Does that mean that we're terrible? We all know that means we. That means that it's an impossible task for us to. Be completely accurate. Okay, we are doing the best we can with what we see, and if you're a parent and you don't understand that because we met, it's impossible and then undergo bobbies, honestly, if you're come into VR event or perfect game event or a baseball, fact prevents whatever event you go to and your sole purpose, there is to be ranked. You should not be there like you're for the wrong reasons. You should be coming because you want to build your baseball resume. You WanNa have an area online that you can build descend to college coaches, the better your chances of getting to the next level in some capacity. That is what we're there for. We're not there to make sure that your ranking is perfect. We're there to make sure we have your numbers. Your video of report everything accurate, but in one area for you than to send the colleges. You still needed to the homework. You need to your word and. I don't think anyone does byerly do especially. In the northeast nobody even close so it's you know I get the ranking questions all the time. It is completely objective. It's it's challenging. It's the hardest task we do I don't love it, but part of the job and we try to be as fair honest as we can be. Were baseball guys so at least for baseball? Guys doing it? You know we're not just going off metrics and numbers. We might like something about a player that has weaker numbers, but we we see Funchal. That's. As. You guys disincentives. It's it's like an impossible task. Is One of those while like you said with the the stats. That was really good insight for with the catcher of stuff like the catcher. Stuff can't possibly be one hundred percent. Like laser time right like it just can't. Because you know they're going to cheat a little bit, you could like. You said you could stop every single time. They cheap, but they're still going to continue to cheat so I i. get that that's one P.. Coaches need to take with a grain of salt and just watch the guys and see which ones they like whatever, but for all these other guys like bobby brought up like infielders throwing. A three step crow! Harza can across the Infield to get velocity. They're not gonNA. Throw that in a game ever either so when you start to break down the actual amount of like measurement. Of measurements that you can use to rank players objectively as possible. There's not really that many like your arm. Strength Your exit veal. Oh, you're running speed. That's it those objectives ones right and then after that it starts to become. Okay this this your through from Accra hop across diamond, but. He's also really good at like making the plays to his right side and he's got great footwork. That's all it's all subjective. That's all someone who's been around. The game is evaluating them. And that's where it's really tricky. were apparent might understand the game I get there ninety to cross a diamond through eighty six cross, a diamond, y higher the because feeder amazing. His hands are amazing, but there's no objective measurement tool for your hands as a player Zor. We I was not. You GotTa Watch. I talked to a college coach a couple years ago. He was like. We we'd like to see. Love the glove time because that's telling you yellow. They're getting into getting out of it. We they want. They don't care if they throw ninety across diamond. No, no one does. That's only a really weird situation a whole yeah. Farm Yeah. Time grown GRUMBALL's getting to second base in less than a second or getting shortstop in less than a second. You feel the seventy miles per hour if that yeah. It's easy. You're getting the I our return It's yeah, it's I mean. Again the numbers like you said some objective, and then we're doing the rankings. It's me. It's my opinion that it's like it's I. Think this guy is slightly better, and it's and that's tough. That's tough business model because you put some people out because they've the ranked one hundred ninety S, and they're like I'm never going back again. They screwed. And we're like NAL like it's. It's like we're actually putting ourselves on the line loaded with Iraqis because our job is to is to make sure we have showcases. And if you upset parents because they have a different opinion player. It it becomes Harry so I. I talked as many parents. That can I try to do? the bus the bus with communication because I think that's key in what we do. If you're. Parents. They start to understand. I've never had a conversation and we can poll my biggest hater. Up Whoever it is on this conversation and I promise you within ten minutes, we will be on the same page I have a knack was being able to bring people together and workout differences really quickly and understand where I'm coming from I'M GONNA. Understand where you're coming from, and we're going to be in that middle point somewhere. You don't have to agree with everything we do, but you're going to respect our work while I promise. You and I don't have to agree with your thoughts about me, but I'm going to understand and respect your opinion and that's. been very good at that. I think that's why we have a lot of success. In all my staff guys are very good at that. We communicate. You know people in the baseball world amateur. Oh, it's almost like they don't know how to communicate. They. Just don't answer emails. They don't take calls. In my business, you have to communicate with people because they are only worried about their song. That's A. They're not worried about what I'm trying to figure out for planning. Scheduling getting this or that? They don't understand that they are only focused on their son. No, I get it. Only worry about your son so when I have a chance, I'M GONNA. Talk to you privately we're. Through the problem and I guarantee you're gonNA. Leave and say you know what I'm not a loved the results there but I respect these guys and what they're human, and we're going to work harder to come back and show better. That I've always said if you don't like your numbers. That's not on me. That's on you. You don't like you. Numbers. Call back later. Show me show. Make you work hard, you know. Let's have accountability this this world in general more accountability, especially at the younger aged. Mirror and say I've done everything I possibly. Get better why. Don't blame this guy that guy this person, look in the mirror and take accountability. That's now getting into Arnold. and. Now? Yeah well, and it is. Good. I mean. Yeah. It's people I don't think have a good frame of reference, and this is also weird thing where most parents whose kids are in the home to play college baseball. They're incompetent evaluators of their own kid and the word incompetent comes off really negative, but I'm not a competent evaluator of a tax, professional or a figure skater, or name any other sport I, if I had a daughter who was a gymnast I would be. Be An incompetent evaluator of her gymnastics ability sound of the first thing about gymnastics, but yet this is what most parents are. They've watched their kid. Play baseball their whole life, but they don't have the baseball expertise to really say how good their kid is compared to kids. They've never seen before. They know that maybe like little johnny, the best player on their team cause anyone can kind of see that they can see like. ATHLETICISM at the results on the field, but they can't see how he stacks up to some kid four states over. What the town level is in general. What the hypothetical ARCHETYPE OF A D.! ONE BASEBALL PLAYER IS! That's that's really the dividers. Could I. How could I judge my fake gymnasts daughter against all the gymnasts in the world of her age. I have literally no idea what they look like compared her only what she does, so that's what's really challenging. And then they'll come up at you and say you don't know what you're talking about whereas like they don't know what they're talking about. It's hard. It's hard. We'll have office though this the greatest the greatest piece I think. PBR. And you guys tell me your opinion. I'm at. This is the question. Do you guys? are statement with across the best piece I think is the fact that the kids. Can actually go look at a kid in their same grad year. You know in Texas or California the same position, the same similar height, weight and say. Was this guy one who's committed the Texas? Doing differently than I'm doing and I don't have any offer, and you can start the air videos numbers. If you're a competitive player that is going to drive me to get better and to get to the next level, and there's NPR's able to do that because we have so many videos, and if you come to that the first month you get, we give you, New York Fremont I think they do it around the whole state, the watcher video. And so you can go now. Look at everyone's state every every kid and start comparing yourself so. That is a huge huge tool. For Development and am I right or am I wrong? Bob. Videos huge it's just the disconnect. Of parents who want the best for their kids that are also biased towards their own kids I mean I run a program? I was telling Dan. You'll through tax. The last two days has been getting parent after parent. Coming at me like my son should be playing more. Whatever issues have with their own team? And it's like I first of all. I'm not in it to. Be biased like there's I don't take anything out on a fifteen year old kid or a sixteen year old kid if he's playing while he's GonNa play more if he's struggling. He's GonNa play less. This is the world which you live if you there's only nine spots in the field, and there's anywhere from twelve to fifteen players on the team. You don't always get to play every game you're not. It's not recreational. Because at once you get to the high school age. It's too expensive for you to want to do anything, but try and take it to the college level, and if you're not trying to do that, you're probably playing the wrong. Club team or sport? I mean it's not a. it's not like your. You know your eleven. You team where it's just a bunch of neighborhood. Kids in your playing together But at the same token it's it's like yet like you said there's there's so many kids out there that you can find information on. And yet your son has no offers and the kid who's the ways the same is the same height has twenty offers. Is that kid who has all the offers? What's he doing that? Your Son's not? It's not a day as biased against my son, and he's outranking him I enough. My son offers that's I can't I if there are situations like there are very few and far between, and it's probably not happening to your own kid. It's there's a disconnect with. A is your son doing enough to be on the same level as the kid that you're comparing him to. What about what about just the simple fact that? We're we're? We're providing the that form, but these colleges are making their decision, and they all have their own things that they see fit for their program the. You can have a very similar flair, but the college coach has a different feel for what he sees or what he likes. That has an often the other one doesn't. There's you know logically that has anything to do with me or what we're doing by. Always come off that way. It comes off like vista gun a better opportunity because you tweeted about him. Three, guys we to three hundred social media false scouting sort of tweets now guys, pitchers hitters defenders that we like. Over three days three hundred over three days. And there will still be awesome. The right music you didn't. You didn't post enough on the catchers or you didn't post enough on. The infield feels like things are moving fast. My guys are a little there for twenty hours. But we put three hundred guys off. We also livestream to one hundred seventy nine colleges. We also thirty five colleges there in person to watch like. If there's not a bigger platform I don't was and. You'll never make everyone happy and unfortunately I have really thin. Skin and. If. It really bothers me because I know what my staff was doing. I know I mean they're providing for their families it what we're doing. And, they're working their butts off and it's just sometimes it can be really frustrating for the most part it's it's. It's really really positive. Everyone appreciates what we do. You're always going to have young people that are negative or you're always going to have. People don't like what they're doing because they feel like. They should have got more, or you know it's just. That's just life, isn't it? How is not the were living in? This guy shouldn't be the president of a company. We shouldn't be the director. President the United States. I got exhibited. That right we could go down a whole nother rabbit hole that so it's. Best, we don't. Well to your point, Yes for people that don't realize I I've seen your twitter feed recently and. was on the BBC in New York and doing some prep for the show today. It's an exhausting amount of work going through video and editing it for people that don't know I mean even my youtube videos. The ones that are simpler for those of you watch my youtube channel where it's just me talking to the camera and now a lot of production. It still takes me two hours. Start to finish to record it. Edit hosted. Do all that stuff, and then if you're going through all this video for all these kids, you're cutting out the forty seconds. Where actually show themselves well? And then you're figuring out who this kid is. What their numbers are all putting like. It's a lot of work for one friggin twenty second video post. It's a lot of work and so when I look into your feet. I'm like Oh my God, this is. You've a lot of people to help him with that and it's a lot of work, but it's still. It's just a lot, i. mean we try to do as a my Kademi when we did our own couple combines? It's just amount of work, so yeah I, mean I. Appreciate and I'm like look. The the recruiting process is different for everyone i. mean some kids can get the whole thing done without going to a single showcase if they're good enough. If they're really good about sending emails, they take their own videos and they send them out. I mean there's a different way to do this for everybody, but it mean to have resources in those vr and there's lack round APP. If you WANNA get your video tweeted out. There's all these different ways to do it. But and you're right I. Mean Back to your question about comparing. To other place in the country I think that's a really unique. It's a unique positive spin for kids today because when I was I, remember when I was a high school senior I just didn't understand why. No one cared like I'm like where the scouts wh. Why aren't they I'm pretty good, aren't I? I had no idea I had heard about Gavin. Floyd, who is getting drafted year before me. Maybe, he's a more years older than me, but he was like getting four million dollars. He's in the Baltimore Sun I'm like wow, that's so cool, Mike, but not one person called me and you'll understand the difference at all between me throwing seventy eight to eighty one and Gavin Floyd, throwing ninety to ninety four as a high school junior. You know with heaven's sake. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, you'd like us. Don't understand. That is such a massive gap. There's like the biggest gap ever. And so now you can see. All these different kids, and like y you don't y. you're not committed Texas Christian. As, as a freshman or sophomore, whatever, but at the same time I think, it also be a pit of despair for kids who are like. Why don't I throw ninety? Two is a freshman. It's like because. That's not normal. Because you're freak of nature, deck is a freak of nature, and you can't train yourself out of that, too. I mean, where do you fall on that day? I mean you feel like kids can. There's got to be. It's I. Think it's probably hard for them to say this is good for me to compare myself to others because I can work harder. This is the standard. I'll be held to, but the Sames I am. Why don't I? Why can't I do that right? There's some of that too. I'm a I'm a big big believer in real honest southbound highway. Looking in the mirror and being real. I think you can get better. Everyone can get better. You can work hard, and you can achieve more things. You can get faster. You can throw a little bit harder if you get stronger and more flexible than you and you put a routine. But there's guys that are going to always be that. There's going to be guys actually born to play baseball. They're going to have insane. Fat S twitch. Muscles are GonNa have really flexible joints, and they're gonNA. Throw super hard. They're going to be longer. They're gonNA, have long arms. They're going whatever it is. That's just going to be the way the game is I never worked out in high school and I think ninety one. It is it is just how God building, and and this was back in win. This was two thousand two thousand. I got drafted in two thousand, two and ninety one back then was like one hundred sixteen today I gotTa believe ninety one back then. Pretty Damn, good. And that's that's why I say that because kids today like people in general. Don't have a frame of reference anymore like if you go back every five years. Like add two miles per hour. To what like what like so many kids are ninety one like you see him now you see Sophomores, the third ninety one. But thousand to ninety one is a high school. Junior was really hard. That's like throwing ninety six today. Probably probably that suit I! Mean it was super hard is unheard of to Heart I. Mean You're going D. One? If you're throwing eighty six back them, yeah, I mean had A. I had a first round. Draft deals the first round you know going into the first draft and I slipped to the third round. You know who cares like it was. It was awesome. It was awesome. Yeah I, mean. I was in that in that top one hundred in the country. They're on eight to ninety one now if I'm a lefty out of the Northeast on eighty, ninety one I'm probably still in the top five rounds. Maybe depending on stuff I could be easily a six or seven. So! It's it's all very high folks. Go Silvery High. If you're six four thrown eightieth, ninety one year left handed out of out of. The northeast. You're probably going to get drafted pretty. Well and like you said you were six, four, one sixty five's. They're looking at you and saying. Wow, this already thrown ninety. And then four years from now he becomes man, and he's two hundred twenty pounds. Now are eight, hundred ninety. One is ninety two to ninety five and we've got a big league. Number to start on our hands. That's where the projecting you for sure. That's almost exactly how I was on my third year. I went? All over the AAA at twenty one and I was like the fifth best prospect new organization, and I had a great great year the year before that. I was had a lot of conviction I. finally started believing. What have you hard inside? Basketball's in all the time and off speed away and I just attacked hitters and. I was I was really moving, and that was really what I was I was ninety, two, ninety, three guy, lofty through hardened software and attacked, and that was basically what I did so. Yeah it was. I wish I wish I could go talk on earlier me and tell tell me to get in the weight room. A little harder. Take a little more serious. I was young I was impressionable. I wanted to have and. chase girls in Party and and I wish I would have been a little bit more regimented at an earlier age in for wall, and you know it's a shame because you know I I had a ton of just natural talent, at Tong and that's kind of where the whole my whole I twitter is now is is knowing some of the things that I did and trying to enforce every day to these kids. How important it is! To to get out grind and work hard and don't don't think it's going to be handed to you, Baseball's a game of adjustments, and and you need to be able to make the DOS moments, and you're going to fail all the time and I'm trying to get those messages across in a positive way. and it seems to be seems to be received pretty well, but there's no ego here with me. It is literally my goal is to help kids I've had countless people. Email me or direct message me about questions for their kids. Routine I have never ever taken a dollar. From anybody? Via My twitter account ever and I know there's people out there. That are trying to make a living right now off their twitter account, trying to build a brand selling crap I will never do. My personal twitter is to help you the free and that's that's the bottom line. I wish I could make money off to outsmart now. I'm just gonNA keep pounding away at trying to help the kids. I'm big now. You're lifting obviously, but I think there's a safe way to do that. When I went back to college in the middle of a AA I went down, my fourth management degree the law online. At a concentration of wellness fitness, another cool thing to our movie fly here is I actually am certified national to strengthen? You're listening coast. So I got a low feathers I got really I can. I can operate cranes I can drive trucks I can. Be a strength coach I. Throw a baseball lift weights like a lot of lot of crazy things going on, and it's it's it's a it's a wildlife and hopefully oakland make an impact in in a good way. I'm people. Yeah absolutely so Dan. How can people follow up with you? As we wrap up the show here? What would you? Where would you like them to tune in to you and your message? If. They just go to my personal twitter, which is really just at Dan Sumit? Dummy semi massive. I'm not. Going I'll be honestly I. Don't know everything about pitching I. Don't think about anything, but I I have a lot of great experience, and I was a sponge on I played, and I took in all the information I could, and I squeezed out within work for me and I, kept with it, and I'm here to help. Help give that advice out knocking to be negative. Knocking talk about people's I'm GONNA be positive. I'm going to only reinforce that and that's. That's just the way it's going to be. I'M GONNA. Try to stay out of the negative world and stay only the positive world. I appreciate being on the show like this where you guys are pumping for positive message, and that's that's what this is about. No one has to agree with everything that I do or everything PBR does, but they need to look into things a little bit deeper and respect the work because it's it's, it's It's not raw sitting here. Kicking her feet up a promise to that. Yeah, for sure. Bobby closing statements or I think it's just a good. A good information law. podcast here about what parents need to expect from a showcase. What the point of the showcase is. If you don't have anything to showcase, don't go expecting someone to pump you up as if you did have something that showcase, and if you have something to showcase, make sure you perform well when you're a kid, the. It's not A. Like you said it's an. It's an objective measurement of your skills. You know if you want US objective measurement of your skills. You need to seek out. A coach or scout to give you feedback on what you do well, and what you don't do well on the field during game play, but if you're just looking for what you measure. as far as baseball resume. That's what I showcases for any to make sure you're ready to showcase that in front of people who are essentially objective, just measuring what you can do physically. Yeah Dan, appreciate you being on the show, a great conversation I I do think we got a lot of the myths and and the deeper part of the showcase And like I, said I appreciate you sharing the. The work that you guys have and your message for players I think this is really helpful for a lot of parents and out there. I would I would I would welcome the opportunity. Jump back to the guys whenever. Likely. Guys are doing and. I WANNA. Keep pumping the positive message so any anything I can do to help moving forward. You guys, please contact me and like if there's anyone here, listening that has questions about anything I'll shoot me a message and I'll be glad. To chat with you about him. Yeah, so if you're listening. In podcast once we get this edited and up. Follow Dan at Dan. E. T.! On Twitter Dan thanks again, and we will see you all next time on the morning brushback.

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Chalk It Up: Woody Paige

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

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Chalk It Up: Woody Paige

"That's what she said is presented by t so official watch of the NBA shop at US dot T. So shop dot com. That's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she said, what she said. Well, that's what she said. Welcome to. That's what she said conversations with interesting people from the world of sports, music, comedy, and more talking about their lives careers, successes and failures. I'm Woody page in my dilemma is. I don't like staying. What do I do about all the appliances? I've had the last two years since I don't care anything about the stainless steel while I'm a stainless steel gal myself, but you're not alone in wondering if that look has sort of peaked, of course, the easiest option is to replace the appliances with new one in a different style. Or maybe a colour maybe that retro mint green, that was popular when you peaked if you don't wanna shell out for new stuff, you might be as well. Of course that is unless you're open to wallpapering the existing appliances with your best, Denver post columns sort of poppy machine style covering. That would certainly be on brand for a lifetime newspaper man like yourself, or, and this is my vote get that sticky back chalkboard paper and then line the appliances with that. And that would allow you and your loved ones. Friends family, your lady friend to come. For your kitchen with their own chalkboard, witticisms, bonuses, you could stop stealing those chalkboard witticism small, the dad joke books that you bind instead stealing from your friends and family. I kid I kid, of course all the stuff on your chalkboard is one hundred percent yours. But just in case good option to have your welcome. The commission spoken. Hey, if you like this content, you might like my radio show Spain and company, six to nine PM eastern, every weeknight. And if you don't catch it live. You can catch some of our best segments on the Twitter feed at Spain and company. Be sure to go follow it and check it out. Well, that's what she said this week's guest is my chalkboard toting around the horn friend slash Damasus. What he paid. He was a columnist for the Denver post for thirty five years. Currently writes, for the cassette out of Colorado Springs. He is both the winningest and losing panelists ever on around the horn. Any claims to have attended over ten thousand sporting events in typical what he page fashion, the conversation, sort of meanders at times. In fact, I think he challenged Tony reality. For most words by guest to the fewest questions by yours truly. In fact, we had to edit it down about an hour and a half. But the good news is what we got and what you're going to hear is worth it. We get into how growing up in the south affected, his worldview, how his marriage to a future Rolling Stone editor let him into sports becoming a beach bum. For finding his way back to the newspaper. Calling Jay Mariotti Richard, the suicidal thoughts that plagued him before he got the right diagnosis. And how being the silly uncle is not really how he wants to be seen. This is good stuff. Hope you enjoy my convo with what he page. That's what she said. So happy to have my around the horn friend, Woody page on the show and get to dig in to a lengthy career that is taking new twists and turns at all times you're gonna hear about a new project that he's got in the works, but I wanna start Woody way back when and I read that you were already writing for a local newspaper when you're still in highschool. So this means that from a very young age. You already knew what she wanted to do. Yes. From seven it's hard to believe the second grade teacher came to me at cherry creek elementary school, and said, I want you to the second grade news for the elementary school paper, and I was I feel as honored as I am today to be on here with you. And so I wrote the second grade news and it came out. I wrote about new fishbowl. We have to go fish in it, and I gave them names. And so the mimeograph these paper came out, and it said, sick great news, by Woody page and people in the class. Boys and girls have never talked to me sit you at this. And I thought what she this could be something really good. So I told myself I type a book, it was, like two dollars on a whatever money I was getting. We're very poor family, and I caught myself how to type on a piece of cardboard, and I think it was three or four years later, that my parents bought me small blue portable typewriter that I used until I was covering ABA 'cause there's so many people to me, but in high school, I was sports editor at weekday use paper. And I think my story is typical of, of a lot of people in the business Bill plastic, and I've talked about it in cal- Shaw, that, that started with the original round the Horne that we grew up owning the right. And, and I think being in the south, I was so attracted to writers that interested me when I was a kid and I love to read invite and I spent a lot of time at the library, and, and there was a book by a guy, how to write without knowing nothing. And that was the title of it. And I checked it out. And I read it, and I thought, well, this fits means that really was the case that when I was in high school, and I told the story on around and we're not long go because we've thought about somebody not being able to discuss themselves in and hit in American, Legion Bali the winning home run, and it was my job. Write a story about it, and I left me out of the story. And. That's not true with my columns, I usually put me in by column. Right. It was really what might dilemma was at the time is because I wanted to be a bad boy. For the Yankees, I wanted to be the next Bob Cousy wanted to be a rock and roll star. And I wanted to be a writer, and none of those really worked out very well. Well, one of them did thankfully, you're my second guest in as many weeks that grew up in Memphis and went to university of Tennessee. Paul finebaum was a my most recent. He's about ten years younger than you, but Paul finebaum because of what he does is so closely associated with the south and because you spent so long in Denver. I've never really thought of you as a southern guy growing up and spending time in Memphis, Tennessee, did you feel and do you still feel like a typical kind of southern guy or a raised on southern ideals? I think so on certain southern ideals and, and I think it gave me direction in regard to southern deals. Maybe people wouldn't appreciate I know Paul and I never were in school together. But I know that when he came along, that's the athletic department official said, whatever you do, don't be like, what he paid 'cause I was considered encourage bullet at Tennessee. I was up to the daily newspaper and, and the head of the school communications at one point, fired me then hired me back about five days later. He's oh, Paul. And Juno who you know, out of Chicago also was a prominent journalists to the university of Tennessee and there have been a few others, but it's not known for being a great school that produces writers broadcasters, and I told my dad at one point when I was in high school that I wanted to go to Columbia school of journalism in New York, and he told me that I had about as much chances he did a becoming jet pilot. And so then it kinda entered by dreams and went to see and actually I was in Memphis about three. Weeks ago. A cousin died, who's one of my favorites. And so it's been a few days here and I don't spend much time in Memphis, but I can remember distinctly my Gad who died in his forties, and he spent a year. He was a diabetic spent a year as a kid in a hospital, but overlooked baseball park and sat in the window, and watch baseball, and this would have been in the early thirties during the Prussian, and so he would take that ballpark, and I remember saying, Cam, why do they make? And this was a term of that, period, if you were not being racist, why did they make the colored people sit out left field and my dad, I was seven or eight years old? And I think that was my first realization of racism in the south, and he said, it's a real shame. He said, they don't want them to sit with white folks is what he said, and I said, why and he said, because they think they're. Different and they're not as good as white people, and that formed. I think my direction in my belief system, more than anything growing up in the south about the inequities and studying the history, which I still do and, and touring giving idea, but south on senior trips around the country and high school students, go to Washington DC, or they go to maybe Niagara Falls our school, which was called Whitehaven on the we were taking too Shiloh, which is known for being a major battle during civil war, that was won by the south and all the discussions about sculptors and what's going on. It comes back to me of that's what was chosen for us to go. See in highschool to celebrate what the south did the civil war and at the time, I don't think anybody was glorifying. South, but it was kind of, like, that's the place that they chose to take us where other than to go to the state capital in Nashville or something like that. It just kinda showed you what the mores and what the feeling was in the south when I was growing up to in, in the fifties and even shortly into the sixties. What did you study at the university of Tennessee? I majored in journalism 'cause one very smart and honored and education that really wanted to teach see giving on, on the writing thing at this point, or you weren't sure if that was still your priority. No, it was. It was my parties, but I wanted to teach writing in high school. And honestly, I was drafted for stores. You want here. But I, I was drafted out of college. And I told my dad, I'm going to be a nam, and I'm going to die. And they said, well, that's real too. And I said, well, I can ride about it, and I was rejected for health reasons which really weren't that important. So like someone having bone Spurs. Right. I was at a camp and they kept me there for a week that they finally said, you're not eligible. And so I applied to teach high school English at a school. I had done that before I was drafted. And instead I went to a newspaper in Memphis. I had worked for daily newspaper docs, cozy while I was in college, and I went to newspaper Memphis, and they actually hired me and my goal was to be Mike Waco. That's really what I want to be. I wanna to be Jimmy breslin. I wanted to be Mike. Waco, my dream as young rider was to go to New York, and be a Geno, columnist and sit at the Al Godwin roundtable, which I don't know would be that cleared. Most people listening to the podcast. Are you familiar with it? I'm not. When you go to New York, and I recommend this thereby. There's a hotel, that's on the national historic ledger, and it's the outgun when hotel starting in the red nineteen nineteen a group of critics and writers and actors would gather every day for lunch at the Alcott on hotel. And it became very famous as the, the group that would come there and they would trade witticisms, and it sort of is going to sound strange. It's kind of what we do on around the horn on a daily basis. They would do sarcasm at each other, we had donkey, Parker was like major force in the gone round. Table discussions and Alexander Wolcott Harpo Marx, a lot of New York critics and whenever I go to New York, I still go. There's a rose room there. And that really kind of set the tone, Dorothy Parker, left there and went to LA and became a screen writer, and wrote. A star is born. If you regional adept tation of star sports. So her words are still living in, in the movie that came out with last year. So that was kind of my dream is a kid reading about the outgun corn and the witticisms, and she was famous for saying, Mendome, make passes that women who wear glasses. And she was she was really sarcastic. And she's being that way. But she said to bar TV's is my limit. If I have a third I'm under the table, if I have a fourth under the host. I wanna to grow up and big that. And, and actually, this kind of what we do is we're sorry cast at each other every day, whether it's the season sarcasm or whether it's a real people have to figure that out, but I think we're kinda doing what, what was going on? And I recommend everybody if you read the book about the Al when hotel and the people for it, it lasted for about fifteen years where people go there for lunch every day crowds would come in just to sit beyond the table here them. That's really cool. So while university of Tennessee, you're sending journalism, and teaching and you were in Lambda Chi alpha, which I can absolutely picture, what he paid the fraternity, brother. Do you have a great fraternity memory that you can share on the podcast, that won't be either offensive or entirely censored? Well, I should mention I went back and spoke to the national fraternity, they gave me their hustle award, which can't believe in company with Harry Truman, and I was done by that. But the chapter that I was a member of the university of Tennessee was kicked off campus about three years ago permanently. That's an happening late today Barbie when I was in school is set ibis cramps trading on learning how to write, and I didn't find that journalism was giving me that and that's why I had problems with not only adviser. But the head of the department because I didn't show up at many classes of too busy columns for the daily newspaper, and then I was named editor and the head of the department called me and he said you have unique talent, but you're, you're never gonna accomplish much and I said, I think you're wrong because I'm gonna graduate with forty fifty others and we're going go ply from same job. And I'm gonna be the one that's different. 'cause I'm unique. And if you talk to Paul and Paul, I've been on Paul show before the Paul was a unique talent in college and see how much he's accomplished. I can't put myself in that category, but any way in regard to the fraternity, and I was reading something about journeys unless you days they've really outlived their usefulness. But I. I was you said it. I wasn't typical fraternity guy except that it wasn't a priority for me, my, my writing, and I wrote a daily column the school newspaper circulation about twenty six thousand at the time and concentrate on that. And what I found was I was writing about by fraternity life that why to call them that would say, what are the odds are of on Thursday night before had a date with one young lady on fight night. And that they would move young lady Saturday night that on Thursday night, both two grandmothers died. And I said, what does that column about that? My column was come up with better excuses. I mean one of those young ladies, I think that was her fifth. Grandmother died on me. Grandma die in me when I was trying to break up with someone. And the first thing he said when he got to lunch was how upset he was at his grandma doll. Can't do it today. That's the worst excuse in the world until I listed a bunch of, of excuses that you could tell it agai. But I, I, I found it an interesting aspect of growth in my life and went up spoken at their national convention. I told them the, the bonding the camaraderie, it's what I hear you hear it from athletes all the time when they retire. They don't talk about well I'll miss the game. I'll miss hearing the crowd. I've heard this over and over again for sixty years. I'll miss my camaraderie with my gates. Yeah. And I think that's whatever form that takes for somebody, whether it's in a fraternity or sorority is a said, I think they've outlived their usefulness, but with the football team or you and you played sports. I mean what did you miss most about it committee, but you also miss being around your fellow athletes. And I think that, that brought me into world. Of at least having a lot of instant friends if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. Right. You're on a campus for as forty miles from home. I didn't really know anybody. I wasn't grown. I wasn't mature and suddenly, there's like one hundred twenty guys that are close friends. So I think that served a purpose to a have any funny stories have a lot of by cat. Hey. We'll move on. Then we'll be right back with more. That's what she said with Sarah Spain, finding a new job is a lot of work. What if you had your own personal recruiter to help you find a better job now? Ziprecruiter's technology can do that for you. Just download the ZipRecruiter job search app. Let it know what kind of job, you're interested in and its technology starts doing the work ZipRecruiter app. Fines jobs you like and put your profile in front of employers who may be looking for someone like you if an employer likes your profile ZipRecruiter Latino. So if you're interested in the job, you can apply. No wonder ZipRecruiter is the number one rated job, search app and based on a third party survey. Seven out of ten people who found a new job on ZipRecruiter increase their salaries. These were the result of a twenty seventeen US survey of over five hundred ZipRecruiter users who got hired for a job. They've found on ZipRecruiter. My listeners should download the free ZipRecruiter job search app today and let the power of technology work for you. Don't wait. The sooner you download the free, ZipRecruiter job search app, the sooner it can help you find a better job. That's what she said. So you graduate and you take a couple of different jobs that are local Knoxville journal commercial appeal of Memphis. And then you end up at the Rocky Mountain News of Denver before the Denver post what brought you out to Denver. And at the time, did you intend to stay did it feel like a place that you wanted to set up roots kind of go back, I told you earlier that I wanted to be like, Mike Royko. I wanted to I wanted to be somebody that could change the way things were have Jimmy Bresnan, and his son of Sam coverage in micro Akot going after city officials and funding the criminal activities. They were going on and go, and that, that's really what I was dreaming of being. It was not to be sports columnist. I had done that some in college and put the Wiki paper, but I was generally aiming to be a communist who could actually motivate people, and at an actual journal, I covered politics and police activities. And actually wrote around the car with the police radio in it and thought I was somebody special. So I, I was coming civil rights in the south, I marches in Alabama, and I covered the aftermath of the SAS nation that Dr king, and that was the direction I was going, and I got married, too young lady named Caroline, white, and I mentioned her name because some point in the conversation, someone listening to this eleven she is killing white, and I got married 'cause in the south you talking about being ways differently. People didn't live together that was not part of the religious, I was a southern Baptist. And so was she and couldn't really make gather? So we, we've been together for six months. He had graduated from university of Memphis with a degree in journalism, and I got her job before he met her at the commercial appeal because they were looking to hire more young, outstanding women journalists and we got married and they told us that we both couldn't work at the commercial appeal because of our marriage. One of have to. Have to leave. And I said, well, we really need the money were you expecting about forty eight hundred dollars a year? At that time, people think about it. That was about ninety five dollars a week, and we really need the money starting out in their marriage, and they said, well, the only way we can make this work is move, you to the sports department, that's on another floor. We just had a columnist leave. Why don't you go there? You wanna be a daily columnist gentle columnists much you go there and prove to be columnist. So I went to sports and I started writing a column and he said come back in a year. Let's see how you doing well in less than a year, killing them. I got divorced. And the reason why I say mentioned her name is she went on to be the editor Rolling Stone magazine and about better during Philadelphia and she's editor of National Geographic, and she married a guy that I'm sure you've heard of Richard Ben Kramer, who died not long ago. And so she really traded up 'cause he wanna put surprise. No way. So he would married six months and some kidding about my marriage is other horn. But she was a brilliant young journalist, and we both were really own paths. Actually, compass absorb, I became a sports columnist because they wouldn't let us both work. They're doing what we were doing. She was covering politics, and I was too. And so, at the end of the year, I go back and talk to the editor, and I said have proven that I could be at your own columnist said stick with what you're doing. And so I kind of fell into it without really wanting to do it. And shortly after that, because of my style of lighting not that I was great writer, but I had a unique point I started getting offers from Atlanta and Philadelphia and Boston, and new get a news and decide to take the one in Denver. Because I thought, boy, I can go to Denver. And have the kind of influence that I don't think I could have in Philadelphia Boston, or work and site. Came to Denver. And except for some time off, for good or bad behaviour. I was in New York with ESPN for about three years and at the age of forty two year and a half off to figure out what to do with the rest of my life. Otherwise, I've been here, and it was great. Newspapers. Only last Greg newspaper. Wars Chicago, had one New York. Of course had had one but dimmer had an incredible. These paper war, and one day, I was working for the Rocky Mountain News next day, I was working for the post. So I've been sports columnist here for over forty years, except that I took after nineteen ninety four new editor came in. And I said, I on wanted to be journal columnist. So I was journal columnist for seven years in the late eighties. And when I turned forty s I said, I took a year and a half off and moved and became a beach bum. And I heard you talking to Kate. You had Kate Fagan on and sheets talked about changing careers and moving on. I kinda did that I, I went to Naples, Florida and I ran on the beach every day and a wrote a couple of books, and, and I was trying to figure out what I was supposed to do the rest of my life, and where it was going to take me and I ended up deciding that what I liked most was actually writing a sports column and it fit my style of writing. I never really. Pulled up being Joe columnists 'cause poach everything in sports with a light player. I mean I can be very critical and I can be very sarcastic. But I don't treat it like it's they might corporation is rocket surgery. Got a brain surgeon, and I'm not going to walk inside just and that's the way, I kind of treat things in my life. So came back and went back to, to doing sports and continued to do it. But I've covered for the paper. I've covered Columbine covered. The Laura shootings. They've asked me to do on that. I covered they sent me I was the only wider from Denver that went to New York for nine eleven and so I still. Touch upon series subjects. I guess to prove to myself that I could have been something other than just silly sports writer. When you got to Denver, that you were associated with the city in the place in the sports history wasn't solid enough. You've been there such a long time. Now that people associated with those teams in that place. But did you feel comfortable taking over sportsbeat when you had intended to do straight, you know, news, and, and general commentary, I really didn't have a deep history of, of Colorado sports translates. And the be truthful bid, but that time didn't have much to bad Broncos team. They barely had a ABA basketball team. They had a minor league hockey and then baseball my first column was your team sucks. Bucko suck. I told them off into come on television. Nobody cares about the worst of the worst teams at also ball. And I wrote this really damning column of the Denver Broncos who everybody dimmer loved, and the next day, I got a call for the PR director, the bucco saying coach Roulston John Voss was coach. They've wants to see you this afternoon. I said, well, I'll be in my office at three o'clock. They said, no expect you just be in his office at three o'clock. And I thought, well, this guy thinks I went out there and I went into his office and said, young man, I just wanna tell you, you may do this kind of stuff in New York City, but that's not gonna work in Denver. Everybody here gets behind the team and he was right. The TV shows would say, well, I brought goes tried hard lost fifty four to seven yesterday, and they refer to as our Broncos and are now gets or whatever it might be our Colorado buffaloes. And people assume that come from New York or Philadelphia that they couldn't picture, some nice southern boy coming out to Denver and ripping on their team and what I found happened is that about half the people. Yeah, we need somebody to be honest about our teams and then a half went, you know, go back to where you came from and it didn't take long. I mean without a baseball team, which I think must have to be people talked about it, who consider Cincinnati a major. League city everybody because as a major league baseball team, but nobody considered Denver. A major league city because it didn't have baseball baseball, associate you with being a major city. No matter what the city might be like, I mean giver, until out a major league baseball franchise and early nineties wasn't considered a major league city really wasn't even considered it then because people thought that for max Kellerman who was the first host of around the horn. He asked me if I lived on a farm, people think of Colorado Lincoln recently, they had one product Colorado. It's in the middle of nowhere. And you go skiing, well, now there's an entirely different attachment to Colorado we only about. Yeah. Yeah, I have a theory. I was I tried to call him about this. But I'm going to unveil it to you. I genuinely believe that the NFL won't bring the draft to Denver. It's been passed over three times now because of marijuana. I think it's totally about that. Because they had a great presentation Denver's the great city to come to with the mountains, and all of the, the attractions that are here. I don't think the NFL wanted to be connected to that in anyway. Because the commissioners talk recently about right in a press conference about how they're approaching their one oh we're dressing. We're studying that he's trying to put it off as long as he possibly can. We'll it hit me, then why Nashville instead of Denver Nashville's. A nice city. I mean, I grew up into the Chicago. Yeah. Great city, great city. But why not Denver? And they passed over they're gonna put in Kansas City. Why not Denver? You can't ever put a Super Bowl here because of the weather. Well, it's totally the reason they're not going to say it, but. Totally the reason is because Colorado now is even though so many other states L open themselves to recreational marijuana Colorado's attached to it. Interesting to see, when it opens up another states if that if that affects their decision making. But it's interesting talking to a week after having findbaugh mom because you're similarities and growing up in Memphis and going to university of Tennessee. He talked about arriving at SEC country and criticizing coaches and teams. And that no one was doing that. People were just sort of pretty mild in their criticism. It feels like even though you're ten years older. That's, that's so common. Now, maybe because with twenty four hour sports news, you always need to say something, you also need to differentiate yourself from all the other talking heads. So having strong opinions is one way to do it. Was there any part of you that was concerned about being shut out for access or about people not liking the tone or approach that you took if most people there were were more flowery in their approach? Paul, and I will share this even though again, we weren't in school, safe time, I never considered it being negative or having strong opinion. This goes back to your original question, hustling, honest. That's what I was taught to be was to be honest, and I still believe that I don't I don't make up opinions on around the horn that we're having a silly subject, you know, about beer landing in somebody's popcorn, or something, it doesn't matter. But when it's a serious subject, you've been on enough conference calls to know, when I'm passionate about subject, and I'm not making up opinions, and I never did when I came here, I was being genuine your team sucks. And I think that's what Paul experienced, and we all did sportswriting headed tally different tone. If you go back fifty sixty years, the columnist of the day, would help Boone and the other in New York that we're famous never went to a locker room. They never talked to the players they just gave their opinion. That all changed with what we call the squirrels, and that was a group of journalist sports during those in New York, in the seventies that kind of wrote in the same tone, as Breslau about sports and they start criticizing those teams in your city. And I've heard I know you've heard this story that supposedly Babe Ruth in the World Series pointed to center field in the hit a ball there, because he's so pissed at the the cubs. Well nobody ever ask him after game because nobody ever win the clubhouse. We don't know whether it's true story or not it's because nobody ever winter locker. They didn't talk to the players. They just wrote about paintings, they dried three to one yesterday where they'd say the team's pretty good. It's not good. Yeah. Who interviewed Lou Gehrig on the day of the most famous speech in history baseball. Nobody. Nobody interview. Nobody interviewed him. They just wrote a great ceremony. So I think Paul I share that southern trade if you think about writers, and those that came out of the south, and, and one of my favorite writers, this might spice. It Harper Lee who wrote a kill a Mockingbird he was an incredible southern writer and she only wrote like three books in their entire career and the gray riders came out and south. They were honest about their surroundings. Don't see Williams of whether or not they're surroundings, were good or bad. They did. They didn't pull punches about what was going on and south since the end of the civil weren. And, and I think we were taught to be honest. I I've always told people, and I'm going to say that the biggest civil rights problems in this country were in parts of east where people were an honest about their feelings right where it was. It's a tough position. To defend. But I do think that we will talk to be honest people said to if this got us saying us southerners get into problems. But my mother. Died two years ago, she never live anybody. If she'd been lucky, you, she tell you, I don't like you, it didn't matter was that the honesty, inspe- is certainly there's a difference, I think between being honest, and then willing to pull punches because you are concerned about whether you know, the people in that city are going to respond positively or negatively the people that you're covering are going to contain give you access, and all that. So it's certainly sounds like you. I mean you mentioned before they didn't want it to just be you wanted it to be light hearted at times. But you also wanted to give your honest opinion you wanted to be able to cover things that were a little different than sports at times. And, you know, you had some opportunities throughout two to combine things. And one of them was when the Broncos receiver Kenny McKinley passed away. It was a sports story. But you brought yourself into it and your own thoughts of suicide when you did something like that, that was so personal and offered yourself up with such vulnerability. Was there a fear in people viewing you differently? Was there their fear in being honest about that time in your life? No. Not really. It was a response. People were saying why would he kill himself? He had everything. He was a professional football player. He had money. He was young. He had a great live. Why would he do it? And I thought I could answer that question. Why did I plot to kill myself to the point in my daughter who has grown and we've had a lot of discussions about it? And she asked me, you know, why would you do it, you, you had a career you very successful. You know, you'd come out of the south, I was the first person in my family on either side ever to go to college. Why would you do this? And I said, people don't understand depression. They don't understand mental health in this country. And I don't take this, you know, probably wanna keep me lighthearted. But so I plotted how I could commit suicide without it being considered suicide. And so I was gonna go to Rocco's game in California. I was suffering from bad depression. They had a bad psychiatrist gave me everything I want it. He was so excited to have me come what's week and discuss my life because he had in, in their adolescence who've been sent there by schools. Divorced wives, who would be sitting in the sitting room when I came in and they were. Crying. And I think it was a breath of fresh air. Honestly, that's the psychiatrist gave me and presence. I taught him I had I thought I was suffering depression, and you gave me every upper Downer that you can possibly have. I mean he he did. I'd go and say, I can't sleep at night. Okay, I'll give you Xanax. Okay in the morning, I feel sleepy. Okay, I'll give you read lo- in the middle of the day on I'm to wired up. Okay. I'll give you this by late afternoon. I wanna start drinking. We'll take this instead, and so I was what I consider, I grew up with Elvis. I consider myself a modern day Elvis, that I was on prescription drugs, but I was on seven or eight of them a day, and I can figure out how to get off them. And so I was gonna go to Napa Valley drink for two or three days before the Broncos game. And then drive over to the Pacific Ocean and swim out to consume back which. I've since her is like the worst way you can buy drowning and noun, very good and the day before it's going friend of mine said, you know, you don't seem bright and behind my back and call my doctor. And my doctor put now Spital. Well, I knew why I need why the Broncos football player killed himself. He was suffering depression. So I knew I could answer the questions and I did I didn't call them up. You know, I'm an example of somebody that was within hours of killing myself and everybody then to be misdiagnosis. Right. You, you were suffering from Russian because of diabetes, which was not allowing serotonin to your brain. Absolutely. You've diagnosed it completely, right? So I was being diagnosed wrong, they weren't even addressing what the cause was. And I think that's true. So many people that's why we had the mental help people automatically assume. Well, he's crazy. You know, that that's me reaction. He's crazy. Or why would he do that? Well, there's a reason why so. So I wrote that column it got. I don't think the surprise me was the response. I mean it was. Hundreds of thousands of responses people like Mike Huckabee asked me to come on his show. I didn't think that would ever come out. I was on probably a hundred shows and I thought you know, at least now you kinda need to spread the word and try to get balked. And, and I did, and I got involved in the state here and I got bald nationally reality kinda, join me and in that and, and it's continued to be along with my I lost my sister, and my mother to cancer, so twin cancer and my dad's lifelong five with diabetes in my own fight struggles with diabetes. So those are my three areas that are concentrated and it's suicide prevention and cancer and diabetes treatments. And so it people saw another side of me. I don't think that ever seen, and there was no negative feedback, and did I think about it, now it was just a me action like like you. And I might have most any subject subject. You address all the time. On social media or in your personal and your professional life that I just wanted to sit there and Brian about it without there was no way to write about it without saying. I know why did it time for a quick break, and then more that's what she said with Sarah Spain T. So is the official watch of the NBA each one of t so's timepieces delivers quality performance, and traditional luxury the tea, so chronic. Exile is a great watch for those looking for a sporty, chronic graph with Swiss, technology and an unbeatable price, while the tea, so PR one hundred family of watches brings together sporty and feminine. Details for collection. That's bold romantic and ideal for the modern woman shop tea, so at US dot T. So shop dot com and at select watching jewelry stores nationwide. That's what she said. So you stick around in this business long enough as you have, and you're going to have these high peaks of things that are vast successes and there's going to be low moments. You spend a lot of time giving opinions and talking, you're obviously going to piss people off is there something. That you said or did at any point in your career that at the time you felt completely on the right side of things and you look back now and you regretted or you say understand why that was the problem in terms of why. Yes, I you a quarterback in north Wales is the lake north ways. And at one point he was with the Denver Broncos and I was close with him and his wife. They came out of the south Mississippi, where my family came from, and I, I got to know them, and I wrote a column saying he should be traded. And I regretted that but it was the right thing to do. But I regret it. Here's what I regretted about it. I couldn't become close to players. I can't be a fan of any nobody believes that I'm not a fan of any team including two Missy. I'm not a fan of the Broncos. I'm not a fan of I just like you know, this, you've heard this Bill Plaski, and I said all time, what are you pull for you pull for yourself? You pull for good stories you put for overtimes playoffs in golf, I pull for great finishes at at covered twelve fourteen Olympics, and I pulled for great stories made about myself a long time ago that I just wouldn't be a fan and I would involve bat in my decisions and the, the column about north waste and his wife called me and said, you don't know that nurses sick and, you know, you're at this and you are friends, and we at you tar house, and I went, I can't even be friends with athletes, and I haven't been. And so that's one of the regrets and I regret having written that because his friendship was stronger than that column, you know, so, yeah, I regret a lot of things I've written over the years, but. Try to learn from it. And I think, you know, have written probably ten thousand columns, and, you know, I regret blackboard quotes, I, I, I don't know if that's true view. It's almost a question for you. I don't get the show's very quickly that we do round the horn. And you and I end up being a shows together, and I on the way home. And when I get home. It doesn't matter what won or lost it matters to me, if I did a good job of trying to explain myself, and that people at home might get what I'm saying. You know what I'm being light and frivolous and stuff like that. But it bothers me every column I write I I'm bothered that I write the right stuff. They would be true, excuse one best wise in a robot Ryan, it'd be true of you take second, who's written books and, and, and it all, it's all right? I think there's anything there for writing. Whereas on a show like around the horn. The speed with which you try to get out the thing you want. Sometimes means you don't say exactly what you meant and you don't have the opportunity to correct it. And, and rephrase it the way you would on say radio where you've got time to kind of get back to what you meant, so occasionally. Yeah. There are times when I say something, and it becomes something I have to explain where I, I was misunderstood with writing. Usually there's a chance for you or an editor to step in. And I have to ask you, you are somebody who's. Brain goes on these, you know, paths and finds a new topic, you always wind your way back when you're writing a story do you have to. Is it difficult to edit yourself? Do you do the same thing when you're writing that you do when you're talking? No, I think it's entirely different and it for want of bit work trade or craft. I don't consider an art form. I don't think anything we were done was knocked for him. I appreciate if you were to see my place in this would amaze people. There's nothing in here that tells them Bob sports, the only thing that I have that connects me anything is, is I have a collection of Kurt on a good novels and memorabilia, from Kurt Vonnegut 'cause he was the guy he was the wider. I styled myself afterward, and I thought he was any, and he's been described, Mark Twain, Kurt Vonnegut in maybe Ernest Hemingway to great American novelist. And so I don't really inside with sports or so it's craft what I do television is crap and sometimes craft and what I do in writing. I'm so concerned about the language. I love. That I try my best to. Not only appreciate language but play with it. So, and I know that's not gonna sound right? But I really enjoy. Taking this language and trying to do something that I think is smart or intelligent, or different. And what bothers me and you didn't take me there. But what bothers me, there's, there's a lot of great reporters and writers and I don't put down millennials or any other young generational groups because of their writing style. But we've forgotten about writing. That's and, and I think I would agree with other people who are old timers that are on the show that I always appreciated the language, but the language has been lost because social media because it's not important or the idea of click Bates and stuff like that. Euro are exceptional outstanding writer and I consider myself I'm not as people go, oh, you get to go to sports. I mean, s I'm a writer writing about sports and tell us the colleges I speak at that. I don't know the Van Gogh. Ever loved fruit of powers, but he loved painting and that just happened to be his subject matter. And that goes back to me, not being a fan that I I'm a fan of writing and. I've never been good enough. And that's, that's probably would have led to more depression, for me that I just saw documentary or an interview day, Mahathir interviewing Billy Bob Thornton Thornton said something, and he's kit from the south grew up poor like I did. And it goes back to what you started with about, you know, feelings of growing up in the south, and what your background was, and he looked right? And read when he was a poor kid Arkansas, and he came to Memphis to try to be a rock and roll star and ended up being an actor and a writer director and everything else in the world. He said his biggest worry in life is still never be as good as he wanted to be. And that makes kind of where I am. I mean many artists and the problem is that some then don't create it all, or they limit what they create while other people who are not nearly so self-critical or self-aware put out things into the world that get swallowed up because they exist. And if you're waiting for perfection. You don't create anything. There's nothing for anyone. Tommy. And I wonder about you. I just find it interesting that my legacies can be a blackboard and being the silly young people or whatever I am on around the horn. When really that's as far away from what I really wanted to be in terms of just being a really good writer, do you use to silliness to escape accountability for how great or good you are, like, are you being seen and judged as one thing, so you offer up this other thing so that if it doesn't work out? You can always fall back on being the silly uncle. I wouldn't describe it that way. I. When I approach something I want to be as good and unique, as I can be I go into every experience, I have a mantra, which is how fun. And that's when every time I sit down the column, I go Heff on even if it's serious object have fun, every time I do show. I say to myself like before going there have fun today. Well, we started doing around the horn, and they didn't really know what it was going to be the people who were on it, thought it was going to be the sports reporters. A daily version of the sports reports, and we met at Carnegie deli in New York, and Mexico Amon started telling us all about the Anki in boxing. And I finally stopped him about ten minutes into this diatribe and said max, your parents have me confused with someone who gives a shit about what you're talking about. And Bill wolf who was the producer of the show said, that's the show. And I think that Jay Mariotti. Bob Ryan Tim cowlishaw and three or four others. In that meeting went, what cow show is quoted as saying, those guys have all the fun, that none of those guys 'cause I understand why I was on the show. Right. And they found out two weeks later and I'm quoting Tim this not me. But Kim said we found out what he was the show. And so what was interesting is in those guys started developing personalities, right? Went out of his comfort zone. He was not. He was, I guess, I wonder why you say it's so far from how you want to be seen, because that's you're making to be sort of silly to be light hearted and have fun with it. And, and have it be about taking fun shots back and forth with other, panelists that seems very natural to me that seems like who you are. So I'm curious as to why you say it's as far away as from how you wanted to be seen as possible. Well, I think it's far away from what who I am. And so it's, it's an. You're you're now doing with the psychiatrist in this is giving me therapy here. But do you really think that? Jerry Lewis wanted to be such clown throughout his career that you find your level. When you go. This is what I am. I mean this is what a man I can't be. I felt like Kate felt uncomfortable and she's not here. I didn't think Kate was always very comfortable around on, because we drug her, and maybe you're the same way we dragged her into areas where she had to be she wanted to be really serious about her career in her profession. And I think I can say about it since I wrote about her in college, so, and I tried to help her along the way. But she never left her comfort zone. I, I don't know that I think Bob is left his little bit when he comes on route hard. He's if he was a different type of journalist on the sports reporter serious all the time. Getting back to me. I misspoke about of I running brothers clown, and he didn't wanna be clown. He wanted to be taken seriously. I think it's called a man of thousand faces and this is what I am. So I am it. And I guess I'm brace it but it's not what I really set out to do. I mean I stood out to be Mike Orico is really to change. I wanted to do something to help people again. Great writers, Robert pin, mourned, who goes all the king's men about the governor of Louisiana, and I, I have gone to Cuba, and sat on anyways front porch for hours and I noticed in sound like me. But I I've sat on there for hours thinking about how I could try and emulate, Ernest Hemingway. Well, that's what I think about the show is entertainment. I don't think that that. I just did live shows of all in the family, and I don't think that that acting crew really wanted to be what they were meet had wanted to be characterized as is like, but it's part of my life. I mean, it's made me whatever him, you know, people they come up to me, a guy came up to me the other day, though, a group of people were, you know, I say Hello. And he said, I hate partner erupting and so, well, let's do bad. And he said, I think you're terrible on it. And that's what I'm not on partner. Up's, always mistake. A two shows always there. Yeah. And he said, I want to get a selfie with you. And I said, you hate the show. You don't like me, why he said, I want I want to send this all my friends that I had a picture. And a guy next to me, who was waiting with that get out of here s right? And I kind of keeps you humble. 'cause all come up and go out of your and stuff like that. And I was on a plane for another time, but I think it's at Haman feeling and actually Brian Koppelman, who's the co creator of billions was on the podcast talking about being a shadow artist which is essentially, you align yourself as near as you can to the thing that you most want, but you don't have the confidence to do it. Full heartedly. And so you do something else, and you become quite good at that. And the question is does that fulfil you and are you allowed to then say, this is what I was meant to be instead of my original dream, or you constantly thinking to yourself. I wish I would just go really try at the thing I wanted. And that's a decision. Everyone has to make is either either. You say, I was never meant to. To be Royko. I meant to be what he paid, which is a different kind of creator or you say, I don't want to be seen as the silly, and I'm going to reassert myself in the direction of what I always wanted, if that's truly what you need to fulfil you. And that's what a lot of artists go through. I'm not certain that. I know what will. Fulfil ming. You'll be my, my dream in the last fifteen twenty years is to write novels. And I've got one that I've policy. Yeah. I, I after I get through the column swimming that more than thirty minutes. Right. It I go back and go away for awhile and come back and look at it as wider shit do, but newspaper business what it's lost more than anything subscribers. But it lost editors. There was a great story at newspaper started called PM in New York City, and their solution to higher was to hire the best thirty or forty riders from other newspapers Neo Carrollton times and the daily news and they found out five six weeks later didn't hiring editors. They thought they could sell it and they had to go out and hire twenty five to thirty editors because. The rockets couldn't edit themselves that always stuck with me. I can't it myself, but newspapers have fired editor's desk, litters people who had it every newspaper that's gonna laying off. They don't let layoff. He's been writers say layout, editors people that are supposed to attic, your, your copy, and what they've lost is editing. That's been lost in all journalism is there's nobody really since I, but nobody really ended in what I write and say, oh, this would be a better lead. This, this is more important. You should get it up higher. And I miss that I miss someone editing me, and I missed that I can't do better job, editing myself and wouldn't it be sad? That I really wanna, you know, that sound like every journalist ever, but I, I want to finish. I've written nine books. Couple of them with Bob Ryan, and I'd like to go off, and why not the great American novel. But says some good American novels and I also fearful to say it out loud. And I'm also fearful that I would be very good at back with more. That's what she said was Sarah Spain in just a minute is, there's something that's interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals. If so better help online counseling is there for you better help offers licensed, professional counselors who are specialized in issues, such as depression, stress anxiety relationships sleeping trauma, grief and more. 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But I heard you telling a story about the old days of being on with Jay Mariotti and you intentionally would call him by the wrong name and rile him up. Can you tell that story? Yes. But I'll hear from, again, he got so upset when hurt that I told his story somewhere won't listen to this. It's a woman hosting it and he's already made his opinions clear about women hosting anything involving radio. So when they told me we're gonna do the show it's going to be a couple, but to pardon interruption going to go on. That's what's going to be well, we're working on that. And we want you to be 'cause I've done a lot of stuff for you being on ESPN classic. And they like my sort of unique viewpoint or funny, or whatever it might have been like they said, you having other ideas, I said, Jay Mariotti, that would make some good TV, and I mentioned three or four other people, and we started the show and Mariotti just wanted to chew him every day and just deflect what he said, and I started calling him Richard, and I didn't think anybody has any ever watched the show, which I'm sure it was true. And the guy who actually oversaw a show called me one day and said. Why do you call Mariotti Richard? And I said, because it can't call him dick. Nobody ever even knew what it was all about. He though. And so we guy's name was Jim vice president of ESPN, and he's so don't call him that anymore. It's okay. So the next day I called Mariotti Jim. I got a call for me began saying, why are you calling him Jim? I said, because you're an asshole. And if I can't call him Richard call Jim, you can't call it, Jim. So I've been story colleague after bony, and he complained the as PIN that, that was an Italian slurred work to brownie is the guy who carries the star in wrestling. Anybody's. He'll watch wrestling knows hulk HOGAN or whoever might be right, any other guys staff that they bring that he does the moves. He's the one that goes over the top rope and everything else he is called in wrestling grown. It's slur. He loses to make the other ones better. Yes. Absolutely. His whole job is we're paying youth out dollars make the other guy. Look like a star can look like he's really good. 'cause hulk HOGAN can wrestle, but he would make make by the bony. So I called him that he went off on dying stays because I know we also used to leave voicemails for reality when he would lose a show explaining the points he should have gotten even though we all understand that it's, it's, it's sick. You're, you're not going to win every time. So I only imagine the back and forth between you two wrangling herding cats as they say would be trying to get you. I really enjoyed it. I mean he he went off to it. But I, I thought that kind of made show I mean, pardon interruption has a has a real character kingdom there with two guys that had argued sports for so long and so natural to them and Tony stepped on a bit out of character. I mean he's more in my direction than anybody else that I think you're two shows, but you're on the lebatardshow, and there's a degree of humor that's attached that show and I think people kind of lose that, that that's what we're trying to do is not only inform you this history journalism. We're trying to inform and educate you and entertain you, those are the three issues here, even with the entertainment value, you're still trying formed people and educate them. And that's what we're doing. And that's what I'm trying to do. Is the trash talking along with with these two giving. That's why I like it. The most. Hey, what he I gotta let you go. But before you have to do the one thing that everybody does, and nobody expects and expect the Spanish inquisition. That's right. It's time for the Spanish inquisition, which is brought to you by Zo T. So the official watch at the NBA shop at US dot T. So shop dot com. Expects the Spanish inquisition. It's the questions. Everybody gets in nobody expects. It's a speed round of sorts. Number one. What's the desert island album? You would take you can only have one album on a desert island. The double sided white album by the Bengals 'cause have extra sixteen songs. That's very smart. Number two. What happened or quality do you think is contributed? Most to your success since of self effacing humor. Number three. What would you consider your biggest failure? Marriage. How many times Billy Bob Thornton said that he was married six times. So I feel like Packer next him. There you go. There you go. Number four. Have you ever been in a fistfight? Yes. As freshmen in highschool, tikey Thompson. And I tell this story years ago in around on tikey Thompson was a sophomore bullet me and I finally started fighting him in the coach put us in, in a ring in the gym, and Tychy swung at me, and I talked, and I fell down and broke my ankle and he called me the next day it broke your nose. And I said, you never hit me Tychy, and so we talked about it when day on around the horn in one of the researchers found tikey Thompson. Oh, my he could be found he'd been life, 'cause that's strange name tikey Thompson, and they interviewed him. And he said, yes, the truth was you never hit me. So it's my best way that's funny. Number five. If you could switch lives at anyone for a day, who would it be Paul McCartney? Ooh, peddling number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been in Cincinnati? The night before football game. The big ones and the Broncos bunch of drinking and into the union glass. Call. We went out we therefore, elevators and laid evening came up. And she said you guys looking for somebody to spend the night with your be with you. And I said, what are we talking about? And she said for one hundred dollars I'll go up to your room and do anything. And I said, okay, here's a hundred dollars go to my room and write a column in the sidebar. Riddick rally made that line. 'cause so anyway, that was embarrassing as well. There's another part of it. So I went off into the bathroom to p and I had drunkenly mistakenly gone in the women's restaurant, and I noticed when when a nose. So I turn around and come back out group of women came in and I went into stall, I stood on the toilet, and I thought, well, it'd be on here to minute. And instead of them being out of their another group came in, I quite know how to handle it all. Emma, 'cause there's no way to come out of that. Good. So I finally just opened the door. And I said. And I never came back. I never never went back to a hotel or anywhere else. There's probably still waiting for me. So. Photos on the wall number seven what's the thing about yourself you'd most like to improve? My workouts before I had a double hernia. I was told recently, the only person that double hernia to win round the heart. But I had a double hunting that I was working out every day and trying to get back to it. I'd like for my really like improve my health at seventy two number eight. If you could be commissioned for a day, what one rule would you enforce that all of society had to adhere to. Be timed each other. Yeah. I'm amazed. I just had one sister that every time somebody listening to traffic. I lower the window and wave or wave out the side, and nobody ever does it. Whatever happened to civility. Yeah. A lot of thing that has to be civility out care, what your political views, are you in you and Aaron Sorkin and all the characters of the newsroom, that's we're on a quest for civility. Number nine, what's the most scared you've ever been? That's the thing, what I was seven or eight years old. The original beef thing was the scariest movie of ever. See my life. All look at it today. And I spent about half the movie in the lobby. And my friends were laughing at me, and the manager came to me and said, son, you either, get back in that movie theater, or go home and I couldn't go home because my mother took us, and I didn't want to go back in there. I, I I've been number ten what three words would you most hope that people would use to describe you? Softspoken. No people don't know that I'm gonna want people to describe US softspoken. I want them to know that I'm sauce spoken loud on TV and people who are my friends, my girlfriend to after tell me, speak up all the time said how can be allowed on television. So smoking charitable, my daughter can't understand why stopped give everybody on the side of the road at dollar dollars and. Good guy. That's not one word, but give it to you. And finally, the bonus who would you recommend that I have on this podcast. Billy Bob Thornton about him up earlier, but I, I don't think people know about him his dream was to be major league shortstop in the Pittsburgh, Pirates signing many tore his knee. Yeah. He's an interesting interview. He's been on lebatardshow couple times. He he's good. Who else would recommend the nice guy ever entered you'd Jeff bridges? Oh, Jeff bridges. Jeff bridges is the nicest guy viewed at after after the show because I used to ready to talk show after show, we went and had a white councils together. That's great. I would love to have him on. I should look into that. Thank you. I appreciate it, like koshen. That's what she said. It's time once again, for south bitch sessions, where I ran about something that bothers me, and I fix it this week cheap umbrellas. 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'What Unites Us' As Americans? Dan Rather Has An Answer

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'What Unites Us' As Americans? Dan Rather Has An Answer

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Off Three hundred hundred. No you want but don't push me take your hands off or maybe nothing less me. Wait a minute in a minute what are you can say. I don't know what's going on but this is our security people. Apparently I believe around. Dan obviously getting roughed up well in his forty plus years as a newsman. Rather has seen America cleaved and healed again again and again so how to. America's current divides compare. And how can we come together. This hour on point a conversation with Dan Rather and you can join us. What are your questions for Dan? Rather about America about today's political polarization. What are your questions about his career in the news including about how that ended and I want to know what your questions are four four Dan Rather about journalism today? Join US anytime at on point radio or on twitter and facebook at on point radio. Will Dan Rather joins us today from in New York. And as I mentioned he was a reporter and anchor at CBS News for forty four years. His two thousand seventeen book. What Unites US reflections on? Patriotism MM is currently out in paperback with new afterward. Dan Rather welcome to on point. Thank you very much. I'm honored to be here. I appreciate your having been a good day. Are you good day to you as well. Mr Rather wanted to acknowledge that I had a household that When I grew up that were devotees of the nightly news and and it was always a competition in my household between you and Peter Jennings and I am sorry to say that Peter edged you out every now and then where I grew up? But it's still a real delight to to talk with you here now. Listen I I wanted to start by with your reflections on that. Nine hundred sixty eight convention In Chicago because obviously I mean the people were literally at each other's throats in America. Then how would you compare what you saw in sixty eight to American politics now. Well there is What I call a bloodline running between one thousand? Nine hundred sixty eight and the tumultuousness that had engulfed the nation for much of the nineteen sixties. It's worth remembering the nineteen sixties. Not only were we. Deeply divided nation nation over the war. But we were deeply divided over raise. Wade had the assassinations of Dr Martin Luther King Robert Kennedy. We had regime is industry. We we were troubled nation during the decade of the nineteen sixties which came to a climax sort in nineteen sixty eight at the Democratic Democrat convention but while there are similarities to nine hundred sixty eight. This is a different time. A different era In the ongoing history of our country some other divisions for example division over race which is always been deep and dangerous? Divide in the country. are similar to what we were going through in nineteen sixty eight but I do come around to it. It's a different time. Different era a different generation With a different government so while there are comparisons to the nineteen sixties and particularly As they say the climatic period Around the summer of nineteen sixty eight it would be a mistake to overemphasize. I think the similarities the one thing that we as a people went through nineteen sixty eight that we're going through again now is basically the question. Can we hold it together. Can we hold the country together. Can we stand united can. Can we agree on enough core principles ensembles and core values of the country To hold ourselves together and it wasn't open question in in nineteen sixty eight eight and it's an open question today. Which is one reason that I originally did two hardcover book What unites is in one reason I wanted to put this paperback edition Out To talk about you know the book is not meant to provide answers but it the hope is that we can start a conversation about our core values you know core values just to name to the rule of law and the right to vote but there's dissent and free press inclusion empathy a belief in in science and Knowledge Public Education. All these are bad news that I think the overwhelming majority of Americans agree on. But we're in a period he had as we were for some time in the nineteen sixties where we have national leadership that seeks to exploit our differences put the concentration on our differences inches rather than what unites us. So that's the reason I wrote what unites us an Wi. Come out with a paperback edition. But now well the miss rather if I can ask you mean you said it was an an open question in the nineteen sixties about You know whether the nation could come together and then it's an open question now. was that question resolved in the nineteen the sixty s to to anyone's satisfaction. I mean what lessons can we learn even with your point about. We shouldn't overemphasize similarities or differences. I think there are a lot of people today who didn't leave through that time. Who are very hungry to learn the lessons from previous Times when the country did feel starkly divided. What a very good question? And I'm glad you ask it. The what happened in the wake of the nineteen sixties having said again that he sort of climax that summer of nineteen sixty eight with the two nominating donating presidential conventions. After that to a large degree we Americans began to listen to one in another as you may know from your own reading and background in history. Late was always emphasizing. How important it is to listen to one another even when we disagree so to some degree the country in the wake of the nineteen sixties began to listen to one another a good example would be on civil rights and other example would be on the need for environmental protection as you know the Environmental Protection Agency was put put into place in the early nineteen seventies as a direct result of the conflict over in in the nineteen sixties? So the answer. Sure is that what happened. Is we listen to one another. And we went through a period where the the start divisions of that had come. Come to the front. In the in the nineteen sixties didn't fade from view but the country began to emphasize what unites is now with the AH onslaught of Watergate which is the shorthand word we use for a widespread criminal conspiracy which was led by the president of the United States. Himself That things took a turn for the worse in the mid nineteen seventies but the answer your question. Roughly from the end of the nineteen sixties to uh-huh fairly early now in the twenty first century. The country did a pretty good job by no means perfect but a pretty good job of listening to one another and and adjusting to our differences in finding some common ground again. I wouldn't want to overstate that but I'm trying to answer question. What did we learn from the nineteen sixties? The basic lesson we've moved in the nineteen sixties is listened to one another and try to find common ground. An attitude goes along these lands. Listen and you and I may disagree over one hundred things about policy and a political leanings but can we find one or two things on which we agree and common ground and work on that a simple example might be that you may live in a small town And and some people are trump supporters. Some people that trump haters some people shorter in between and so the big differences just in even in the small town but if somebody says listen the Little League Baseball Park with a needs to be redone and remodeled. Can we agree on that and you agree on something simplest that everybody gets together and starts to repair the Little League Baseball Park. The next thing you know they're talking to one another laughing one another. It seems simple but though Oh small steps can be enormous in our effort now and I think it's a desperate effort now to hold ourselves together and agree on what unites us. What about this though? I mean I have heard display pretty frequently from callers calling into this show that they they feel America in two thousand nineteen is actually a markedly different place than it was in the seventies sixties the forties and and that they're not sure common ground exists anymore that it's not a matter of politics. The fear is that people have actually quite divided values and so finding common ground when your core values are very different might actually be virtually impossible. I mean that's the the sense I get from a lot. A lot of people talking and talking with them day in and day out I understand because I have been a number of people who contact me in various ways including programs such as this who expressed that point of view and I simply I smile and take a deep breath and say I respectfully disagree. I do think that we are dealing In in a different eras I said before we are in many ways a different country in two thousand nineteen then were let's say in nineteen sixty eight That demographically the country begin changing drastically with the passage of the immigration reform. Warm Activ- nineteen sixty five. Which did away with biases against certain people emigrating the country? From the time that passed as a result it was in the wake Geico the civil rights movement of the nineteen sixties. We've passed the immigration reform from that time forward. We begin changing really drastically. Ah continually demographically at the country. One of the main raise ways. It is different here in two thousand nineteen and it was during the nineteen sixties sixties is that we are a richer mix of of religion race ethnicity and that has caused wash away. The fear in people There any number of people who say look it. It's not the it's not the America of my grandfather and grandmother Not even the same was my parents. Time is caused fear. And I think this is a very important point that this fear is being exploited by any number of political leaders including. I'm sorry to say. And there's no joint saying the president of the United States this fear of well not only has country change in so many ways. The whole culture's changed. They're trying to exploit that fear they talk about. Ah The the divisions. They emphasize what divides us. And they've been successful in playing upon that fair fear exploiting that fear for their political and ideological advantages At the disadvantage of the country. We are talking with Dan. Rather this hour we'll be right back. This is on point support for on point and the following message come from. MIT system design and management jointly offered by Mit School of Engineering and the MIT's Sloan School of management earn a Master's in engineering and Management Sdn Educates mid career professionals. Nationals to lead effectively and creatively by using systems thinking to solve large scale complex challenges and product design development and innovation using MIT's most advanced information and communication technologies. Join a virtual info session on Thursday December fifth from four to five. PM S. D. M. DOT MIT DOT Edu. Think peers life. Kid is that friend who always has great advice about everything from how to invest to how how to get a great workout. We tools to help you get it together. New episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life kid. This is on point. I'm Meghna Chocolate Birdie. We're talking this hour with Dan Rather as you know he spent more than forty years at. CBS News he has a book out. It's called what unites US reflections on patriotism. I published a couple of years ago. It's out now in paperback with a new afterwards words and we're afterward I should say now. Dan Rather in that forty plus year career. How covered so many aspects of some of the most contentious moments of recent American history for example Here is a moment from June nineteen sixty three. This is when Governor George Wallace of Alabama one of the nation's then staunchest supporters of segregation stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama in an effort to block to African American students from attending class. And here's Dan rathers report on how that standoff unfolded governor. Wallace is now walking away from the door. Apparently capitulating being now in his battle against the United States government to prevent to Negro students from entering the previously all White University of Alabama. It's Dan rather in nineteen sixty three. Now MR rather in the book. There's there's so many great stories that you have of Amir experiences that sort of help you think through this moment of divide that we see in the country. I'm wondering if you could actually tell us the story of how and when you first met Medgar Evers and you saw him you know go to a polling station and ask for his right to vote. I mean the such. It's such an incredible story. Can you tell me about that. Well the time is I think nineteen sixty two may have been early. Sixty six games. Nineteen sixty two MEDGAR. Evers who was a a very decent very friendly person. Very calm person under pressure. He was trying. It's almost almost hard to imagine now but he was trying to get People have African American heritage to the polling places They were very fearful about about going to the polling places and with good reason and I personally bore witness to Medgar evers saying to some of these African American neighbors who were reluctant to go to the polling place. You know come with me. He took them the polling place he shows up at polling place And officials there including local law enforcement. I want to clean up the language basically said you know. There's no way that you or any of these people in revolt today. Medgar Evers pointed out that they had their poll tax ahead registration everything And they just met a stone wall of resistant it was A. It was a a revelation to me. I grew up in a segregated alleged society with institutional racism in Texas. But it was it was bad it was terrible but I had never seen anything like this but medgar evers courage. Hurry in walking up and in very calm with a look on his face was not one of anger. A facing that kind of resistance is and by the way most if not all of those people did not get the vote that day because they were white people in positions of power. Who Just said? I don't care what the law says. You're not going to vote here today. And as long as I'm alive you're not GonNa vote here any day but ma- medgar evers did that kind of thing day in and day out it took tremendous resolve tremendous courage and as you know he was later assassinated. We shot down on his his own front porch by a coward assassin. Who is hiding into grass street? Here's what was then. It is now in American hero. So here's why I ask that question because I I. I read this portion of your book over and over again because I think it's worth I'm going to read a little bit of it now to folks because I think it's really worth hearing some of this language. Ah I mean you talk about how Medgar evers you know went to a polling place with with With other people this what you witnessed that the voting officials said what you doing here boy and Evers politely responded that he had come to vote with these fine people and then the official says. You aren't voting today. You aren't voting any day. And then he goes on to say. Well I'm telling you the ain't GonNa vote now just hearing that that that sort of blatant denial of a basic American right is is disturbing enough. But what really got me Mr Rathers later on when you were talking with a member of your crew and you're saying that you didn't really expect that to happen. And he said well that's how it is in a lot of places so that's why I wanted to ask you about is like how do you deal. How did you? How did you deal with the revelation of these really entrenched beliefs? That were just a part of life in place in places that you were reporting on well how I deal with it and keep in mind that was obviously a much younger reporter. That time I was not inexperienced but I've never gone through anything like this. My job was to cover over Dr Martin Luther King in the Civil Rights Movement Pretty much all over the south and it turned out that what that crew member told me At that time. which did you quoted from the book? which was I had only recently started? CBS News but over succeeding months and years It was true in in place after place all over the south. How I dealt with it is to remind myself and try to carry out? What was my job? My job was to re to bear a witness to report and too much of it as possibly could on television screen. Well I'm curious about how you think I think the media today is doing that very job right because there. There's a lot of people are asking whether the the ideal of journalistic objectivity to just simply bear witness and report is a false side ideal to begin with. What do you think about that? Well Aw I was raised on on the on the belief and the Credo that one should be as objective as possible as a reporter. A you know your job realizing that nobody can do it perfectly but insofar as is humanly possible what you need to do is set aside your own biases Deal view with facts. However I fully understand that here in this near the end of the Second Decade of the twenty first century that this is what I call Core Credo of American journalism is co called into great question and I've called into question myself but again I think the basic in the what what? What is the journalist trying to do on our best days keeping in mind that nobody does it on our best days? What we're trying to do it is get to the truth or as close to the truth as is humanly possible and tell it and show it now in doing that? For example if when the president lives not if a it's still kinda catches my throat to say the president lies but our president Jason has consistently relentlessly and without remorse has lied repeatedly so on the one hand. The old standard of objectivity would be not number one. Don't call ally ally call it something else. has difficulty with the truth trying to address it up I it is not enough. If you're if you see your job is trying to get to. The truth is closer to the truth. If if even if a president lies it should be called a lie. Hi an American journalism has moved somewhat in that direction and it makes a Lotta people uncomfortable Integra truth sometimes. I'm uncomfortable with it myself. But having said that the job is to bear witness and report then when the president consistently deals in in lies. Thousands implies isn't it it needs to be said. I don't think personally that that's in conflict with being an objective reporter but I fully understand that a lot of people do and by the way the president himself tries to use this as to undermine the press. Is You know he's indicted the whole press not just individual reporters and in journalism and institutions. He's called a American news. Reporters as a whole quote enemies of the People Unquote which has a very negative residents in history that every dictator up and down. The line is always said one version of this so an answer to your question and that if you're going to be reporter of integrity then I think you have to have the guts to to say what is and and and then take the criticism at will by pointing out these truths your being biased. You're you're being unfair. You have to stand up face. Furnishing take the heat. Well let me let me give you a specific example because perhaps when it comes to not perhaps definitely it comes to matters of fact act and when the President says things that are in opposition or any politician says things that are in opposition to fact that seems to be more straightforward to me. But you know your the whole book A lot of what. You're thinking over. The past. Several years has been about is about deeper things they've values right. And what as your book says what Unites Us and I want to know what your response is to how journalists or modern journalism should cover issues. It really are about those values. And here's my specific example. It actually happens to come from my own career four years ago when I was covering this was a longtime ago actually now here in Massachusetts covering the legalization of same sex marriage in Massachusetts and it was a very contentious issue Then in the in the state and I had a young very bright producer who kept putting the words marriage equality in the scripts for me and I kept taking them out saying we gotTA use free his same sex marriage and we. We had a pretty heated battle about this because at the time marriage equality was the language used by those in favor of same sex marriage. So I mean it seems like a minor issue now but we had a very very heated battle about this. And here's the thing that stays with me is that young producer looked me in the eye and challenged me and I welcome the challenge. He challenged me and said this. This is a moral issue. If you covering the civil rights movement back in the nineteen sixties would you use politically neutral language when talking about the clan plan. Would you use politically neutral language when covering the atrocities that were that were felled upon Freedom Writers A and I just I don't actually have an answer. I did not have an answer for him. Then what's your answer to that question. Well I'm not sure I understand what the question is. If he wanted me to take. Aside through the language we were using essentially right. He said quote we. We should be using the phrase marriage equality polity because it's the right thing to do. Well a honest. Decent intending people can differ and in the end and AH had answered your question. I try to listen to my conscience and whatever my conscience tells me is the right thing to you That I try to do the right thing. You know part of my prayer every night and it's not that I carry it out as you know Lord. Please help me to do the right thing and in that circumstance. I think what I would like to think I would have done if say to myself. What's the right thing? Not not the politically correct thing to do. Not The thing is going to get employed. It's or don't be fearful of criticism but what's the right thing this time after time and I can say hey. This is going back to my own experience covering Dr King in the Civil Rights movement time after time you I'd ask yourself you know what is what is the right thing to do and the the the the answer is not always clear but an answer your question I think for each individual reporters say to yourself. What is the right thing to do and then do it? You're not always going to be right. You understand magnetic has any experienced journalists. Does that you know the practice of journalism is not an exact science. It's very crude art. And even the best is GonNa make mistakes and let me tell you people let me know when they think I've maple people were let you know. Well look let's let some of the people in this conversation. We are talking this hour with Dan Rather Lori. Worry is calling from Davie Florida Laurie. You're on the air. Hi thanks for taking my call. Mr Rather thank you so much for everything you've done and CBS. It was their loss I wanted to address The issue that was put out at the beginning which is whether this country. Whether are there. I believe this country can heal and you just made the statement that honest people can differ on certain things but at this point we have have thirty five percent of the country or thirty four percent of the country who support is racist bigoted homophobic president. And I I personally cannot heal enough to reconcile myself with these people. I don't want to be friends with them. I've lost friends. You know beginning under President President Obama when I was receiving racist emails And then trump got in office and he is. Now the one tweeting emails tweeting tweeting these tweets and I personally think these are social issues Vietnam while there were social issues was a political issue as well. I think these issues issues are so social and so personal. I don't think we can heal. They're they're so offensive to me. I don't WanNa be friends with anyone who supports this man Laurie before I let to Mr Rather respond to you. I mean if you don't think the nation can heal that we can heal. I mean what kind of future does that portend it is is it is I hope it go ahead. Well I'd rather hear from you. I hope he can heal. My personal opinion is there's and I hope as a nation it can heal you. Know it goes all the way up to Washington where that the Republicans won't even allow President Obama to Put in his his supreme court nominee. So do I think we can get back to normal on a personal level. No I hope so. So I don't i. I don't see where what will happen. Because it's so bleak like you say well. Laurie I'M GONNA save. Thank you for that call and Dan Rather this is exactly what we were talking about before that. There's a lot of people. There's no bridge to you madam. That so I fully understand what you're saying number one I say gently take a deep breath. Whisper at least mentally yourself steady Not only can we heal but we have to heal and I take your point. You say you don't want to be friends with these people talking about what you described as thirty three thirty. Five percent may be slightly more than the people that you don't want anything to do with. Please understand that say this gently an an humbly not a word generally associated with President or former television. I think people people humility but I said humbly. I'm not asking you to be friends with these people. I am saying that part of the healing process process which we can have. It must have the key is to listen you. You may despise them and I understand that you spies what everything they stand for. But it's still important to listen and to try to find common ground. Even the smallest things things it even tiny thing like getting up in the morning saying listen. I I can't send quote these people can't stand this president but I love my country entry. I WanNa do something then flew in the morning. Say How can I find somebody I can help. And if it somebody of a different color different religion different different political persuasion. All the better. He appoints you. Don't you don't think we can heal. I do think we can. We'll just have to take a quick break here. So that's why I jumped in there. My apologies for that but I also want to just say before we take that break that maybe we ought to reassess the language that we I mean the quote unquote these people. We're all L. Fellow Americans. We're all neighbors with each other. So that's a quick though. I'm GONNA leave you with to take this quick break. We are talking with Dan Rather today. He his twenty seventeen book. What Unites US reflections on? Patriotism is out now with a new afterward in paperback. We'll be right back. This is on point this is on point. I'm magnet shocker. Bardy we're talking this hour with Dan Rather he was a reporter and of course anchor for the CBS Evening News for some forty four years he worked worked for CBS News. Since then he's had a quite a renaissance in his career largely through social media. Actually facebook and twitter. He writes about what he believes Unites Nights this nation even in these divided times. His book is what Unites US reflections on patriotism and it first came out a couple of years ago. It's out now in paperback with a new afterward. and Mr Rather. I know that you want to talk about healing before. We had to take a quick break here but I actually want to just ask you a question. That's come to us over social media on twitter from Daniel Hamilton. He says I'd like to hear from Mr Rather water. Some of the values he believes are commonly held by folks on the far light far right and far left left and the vast middle ground talking with friends who don't share political values seems virtually impossible. So what are those common values well among the common values news and this is basically what what unites is. The book is about a mentioned to before a common value Is the rule of law overwhelmingly whether one considered himself on the right left or conservative liberal Mug womp independent. Whatever there's white agreement that we should be and we're always driving to be better as a nation of law so the rule of law is one the right devote one person one vote? Well there are people who oppose this for their own partisan political ideological advantages overwhelming. This is something that people in the right and left both agree on the right to vote the right to dissent the right to dissent even even when you disagree with someone that they have a right to express their dissent sent a free press a free press as the red beating heart of the soul of democracy there are certainly people who attacked the president unfortunately now the president himself itself but you we're talking about common values that overwhelmingly Americans support the idea and the idea of a free press That other badgers and you know I could go on the rest of the program at won't because I'm trying to keep my answers short but such such things as inclusion empathy a belief in science and knowledge in public education environmental protection and many others that these are core values and they are common values. I used to repeat for emphasis that the majority of Americans agree on they may disagree about individual policies but as core values. There's a lot of common ground there. What would you say for folks who tell you? That's a very pollyannish view of common ground in America that when you say empathy and inclusion as core values Allie of those means different things to different people. Of course it can and I do want to emphasize that you know. The book what unites is is not meant to provide answers but to start a conversation in the kind of conversation that you just started that I certainly a word like inclusion gene for example. It's some people say well tolerant of other people's points of view will tolerance is the is the minimum requirement for a decent person but conclusion to something else and I quite agree. Even on the definition of the word people can disagree but I would come back to because I do feel strongly about it. That the both the idea. Hi Dea and the idea of of something such as inclusion or empathy most people overwhelmingly left right or centre politically. Want want to believe that they are. They are Im- have empathy that they include and so these are things we need to have a conversation about. But if we don't talk to one another everybody don't air our differences and and even when we especially when reduce agree then there's no chance it will be able to hold this country together. Okay so I promise the callers I'll get to you get in just a second. But there's something I have to ask you about your call empathy and talking to each other Mr because I mean you found this renaissance in your career and reach on social media and I think a lot of people look at social media these days as potential strengths to it. But it's it's you. It's the definition of not talking to each other because you can get in your little social media bubble happily and never leave it or when people do talk to each other. They're just pummeling each other with toxicity. City I mean that that is different. That is a very big difference between the Times. We're living in now versus the Times of these other divides that we've been discussing. Well it is. It's something we have to struggle with and again I don't professed have all the answers but I do think we should be discussing it in having the questions about it. Look I know part of what made this book. What unites is What made it possible was the? There's no other word for it. Incredible response we've seen on social media particularly on my facebook page but with the books extension of that spirit of talking to one another however your point is well taken. There's another side to the Internet and to social media. Part of it is that you can Attack people you can ruin people's reputation with a AH with a non anonymously it. Nobody ever find out who did cowards. Take advantage of that but look as we moved into the social media era. There are a lot of questions that again. We have to find some common ground about when while social media has tremendous advantages. It does have a some kamajors disadvantages and in fact some dangerous well. Let's go to sue WHO's calling from Wakefield Massachusetts Sue. You're on the air. Hi Matt. How are you gal doing well? What's your thought today to Hi Dan I'm so excited. To Talk to you you spoke at my commencement at Syracuse University in Nineteen eighty-four and been a huge fan ever since So my comment is kind of a rebuttal to the woman who spoke earlier about not wanting to talk to friends who are trump supporters. I have a very dear friend who was a fervent trump supporter and I've been told by people that I shouldn't be friends runs with her. And I disagree because we had many discussions on our differences and we try and keep them. centered on the issues Like immigration or women's rights or gay rights or gun control as opposed to getting into the politics about about what I generally like to call the print president And I think it's been very fruitful for us for our friendship to to be able to disagree but agree on like more global principle. Man I think that if more people to do that and heavy rational discussion about issues and not scream at each other that we would all be in a better place and you know to Mr Rather spoke which I read cover to cover. Definitely we need to unite and not divide. We'll soon I'm going to take it back from you and thank you so much for your call. Mr Rather I'm going to get a couple more in here because I really have been neglecting people who have been waiting patiently on the line. So let's go to Marie who's calling from Hominy Oklahoma career on the air. Hi I am calling from a small rural community. I have two comments. One is people. Little dog seem to understand that a lot of people can't even watch the presidential debates if you don't have cable TV and Internet that then you're screwed you know you have to find out days later and if you're small town library doesn't have an Internet. You can't even go find out there. You have to travel an hour away or something and people are I think mainstream media and journalists. I have let us down because you're not even talking about the issues that are affecting us which primarily stem from economic doc. Id Issues Wall. Street and Main Street are not the same thing and main street is having a hard time even being on its. He's the Mayor Marie hold on. I just WanNa give Dan rather chance to talk with you. Mr Rather go ahead. Well first of all I appreciate the call and keep in mind that I was born born and raised her degree in his small rural community in Texas. And so is my wife. Jean I understand Madam and Frankly I smile when you said you know. I think the court was if you don't have cable TV and the Internet you're screwed. I would say not entirely humor. I would say in some ways if you don't have cable TV and the Internet you're blessed but I wanted to what you point. That Wall Street is is is not main street. There is a great divide between the the the power some of the power centers of the country protected economically between Washington and Wall Street and places just like Roll Oklahoma. I take your point but I come back to Don't give up. Don't give up on us. Let's emphasize what what we can undo. I I do agree that the press overwhelmingly under reports what happens in the less popular populated sections the country as opposed to the more populated sections. And that's that's a legitimate criticism of the press including myself but thank you for the call and thank you for your spirit. Well well Marie thank you so much and I mean when we talk about the press I mean. The sort of natural focus is on the national media. But I've we've got a great comment here that's come in through through facebook from Garrett Woodward and Garett says as a journalist in the mountains of western North Carolina. I've seen the shift to where local journalism now gets grouped in with mass media As the enemy the hate mail and threats continue towards hard working on the ground journalists. How do we regain the trust of the people in our own backyard when our politicians continually say we are the problem when truth where actually the frontline of justice in our society? What do you think well First of all I really appreciate the question and again. I'm going to remind people that I started as a small town reporter. And what he describes is often expressed to me by people. Live live in places like the mountains of Donald Carolina and the answer the question. How do we regain trust? When we lumped in with the mainstream media the best council I can give a try not to give advice his this? Do Your job every day. Just do the job do the best job you can do every day. And that's the best way for you personally. Earn Trust as a reporter which is where it starts and then for the whatever institution and local paper you work for to gain trust that it with mainstream media and media in rural and remote areas. My my answer is the same one when as what we can do what we can do is just do the job. Do the Damn job if we do the job and do it anywhere reason. We'll then we'll get trust It's very difficult to right. Now where you have the most powerful person in the country attacking impress unreal unrelenting relentlessly but if we do our job and do our job to the best of our ability and every day try gotta do a little bit better. Then you'll have the trust you'll have the trust personally and for whoever you working eventually being crushed Trust it isn't easy and it requires a lot of resolve. And so to you. I would just say very respectfully in with the hand salute stay stalwart. WELL WANNA fit in one more call all here. Let's go to Tom. WHO's calling from Fort Valley? Virginia Tom you're on the air. Hi Facts I'll be briefed at a question regarding Eh George Bush's service record back when he was in Texas Air National Guard. And we all remember about the letter that was found Alan Dershowitz filed. The letter turned out to be fake. And I just the logical person in me wonders. Why would there be a computer generated letter Decades before desktop printers even became popular So could have been planted all right now apple. Yes a Tom. I don't mean to cut you off. I'm just looking at the clock and I want to do a little explaining here for Tom's question in Mr Rather of course let you answer this. But he's referring to the the story that you did for sixty minutes to about President George W Bush's National Guard record. That was was extent intensely criticized decide Some of the document's authenticity of those documents were called into question. And that's what led to your ouster from CBS. Just for folks who don't actually know that. But what's the answer this question. I appreciate the question and we could spend the rest of the day talking about this book. We won't because I'll try to be brief. Let me say first of all nobody. Nobody has ever proven that the documents of which we're so fiercely attacked when we did that story. Nobody's ever proven that they were false. Now you can argue argued that we didn't do enough to prove that they real but here's the main point our story what our story was number one. Our story was that George W Bush had gotten into the champagne unit protective unit of the National Guard to keep them Golden Vietnam through the influences father. That's a fact number two once. He got in the Air National Guard after serving at least reasonably well for a while he disappeared. He walked away for a year and and never paid any price to it. So those two things. That's what our stories about those including then President George Bush needed to attack the a story. They've never denied those two things so without going on and on about it our story was basically true. We did have difficulties with one document document and again they've never denied what was into document. But it's a long story and it's true that You know I paid a price for putting this story on the air but I always come back to two two points are basic story was true and secondly That neither President Bush nor anybody in the Bush family music tonight also want to note that that report came all just hot on the heels of your outstanding award winning reporting about the atrocities at Abu Ghraib prison and I still. I remember seeing that for a seared in my memory. How powerful that reporting was about Abu Ghraib but but mister we've only have a minute and a half left here? I want to constrict gears slightly. Have a little bit of fun. This has been a heavy our important our but a little bit of fun so here let me just play a little something for you here it is motto up. There's buying by and in the sweet by and buys it turns out for Gore that if the kids haven't gone to sleep get them in the room but George Bush's sweeping through The south like a big wheel through Delta Delta cotton field. It won't mean a thing they don't get those swing states. There's got it back to the wall. He's short tails on fire. And the bill collectors. At the door cracking like a hickory fire for at least the last hour and a half years lead is thin as turnip soup. Give an aspirin a headache. President trump has been jumping around like a frog in a hot skillet. It will be ugly enough to choke a question before we get through with it. There's some of your greatest rather `Isms we have about thirty seconds left to go Dan. Rather where'd you get your way with language. Where do I get them wage? I grew up with people who talk this way you know. I started working in the oilfields on his fourteen. Eighteen years old and many of them have come from of my memories of working. The oilfields is an early kid. And then go through life. I'm always looking for a way later us more colorful language and you know. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't but You know that's the way people talk that that grew up with and so when something along election night in an effort to say things a little differently. Use Them coiling login. Yes have a little bit of fun than I try to drop on in from time to time sometimes something just pop in my head Sometimes they fall flat but I had forgotten by the way that he has lied is thinner than turn the great one. Dan Rather flat out of time. The book is what Unites US reflections on patriotism out in paperback. Now thank you so much for being with US magnet. Thank you very much. I make Party this is on point.

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The 2020 You May Have Missed

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The 2020 You May Have Missed

"Now scott foster. I wouldn't another to talk. Yes the final tweet. Talk of two thousand twenty nine. I'm coming to you for the top. The kim torn trail head here in rockland. County a beautiful beautiful overlook seeing peekskill and looking down the hudson river towards new city. And this one is gonna be a little bit different as i'm going to talk to you about some of the smaller bits. You may have missed as we were consumed by the bigger news. Bits that consumed their lives for twenty twenty. One jump right into it. You ready just talking about something a little bit different here this time. We're gonna just go over some news events. You may have missed over the course of this year and start off with their murder hornets. Yes you heard it right murder hornets. You may hurt him back. In the spring there was talking to them and they are started out in asia and started to migrate into europe. And even here on our west coast in the united states of america and are these huge sometimes or one and a half two inch long hornets. That's their favorite. Prey is the honeybee. And they just swooping just like a hawk would in grabs them and takes them. Away used to have swarms of murder hornets coming in grabbing honeybees. Now you're saying well what's so big about honeybee other than to get stunned by one because it probably hurts like a mother for more than a couple of days. The problem is because of the fact that they like our honeybees and so we don't want them decimating honeybee. They've only found few nests. But we don't want them getting a bigger population. Obviously so oddly. Enough in this most recent. Kobe relief bill. Congress has put in there a provision to spend up to four million dollars per year to get rid of moore hornets. Yes congress actually spent time this past covid relief bill bargaining to include money for getting rid of menards. Gil i i still find it very interesting to hear about that something. You may not have heard about the death of mr peanut. Yes i'm talking about mr pena. The players guy the monopoly. Monica guy he has left us. He left us back in april and apparent would happen is he was doing a road road trip with two of his friends actors. Wesley snipes in matt. Wash the three men or the two main in monaco wearing peanut. We're taking a long road trip around. Desert canyon road when the not beal swirled off a cliff in the three is in the hanging from a tree a small branch ready to break and so as his final act of heroism. Mr peanut let himself go. He purposely fell to his death in the hopes that by doing so his friends swing themselves and get themselves to safely but he fell millions of feet down and landed on the mobile funny enough or respectively enough. I'm not sure when he landed. The top hat was still on his hat. Mr peanut was one hundred and four years old. I hope i look that good in that nutty when i'm one hundred and four years old. What are the more mysterious news. Events kind of garnered attention around the world this year with a model monoliths. You may have heard about these because they attract a little bit of news attention mysterious mileage erected and then removed in utah romania california and even san antonio what happened is most the time these mollusks were up and then within twenty four hours. Maybe a little bit longer. They were down. The first appeared november twenty third in. Utah's red rock. Desert days later it was done was gone with no trace of who was responsible for taking up or taking a few days later. The one in north in romania was found on top of the hill. Same nobody knows what was there was there who took it down. Who put it up in. Another monolith was put up quickly removed at the pine mountain trail. An tesco daryl. Park with located near san francisco moon even found in san antonio on the north side near the san antonio international airport now still unclear mystery still remains what these monoliths will for what they represent how they got there are they. Somebody's peace they do all have a very similar structure. There're either usually ten to twelve feet and kind of like a triangular prism like thing. The services of them all different so like the one in utah had a reflective surface while the one in mania had smooth looping lines actually v models appeared on christmas day it was seven foot tall. Gingerbread monoliths in san francisco's corona heights. park now obviously. This one tasted a little bit different. Look a little bit different and crossing. I don't know what is your theory about these. Monoliths what have you heard. They just some frank. Lino eighty underscore foster instagram in twitter. You definitely miss sports in the spring when everything shut down and there was nothing left to do. We're stuck in our houses granted. Integrates things wasn't a big deal but when they started to come back winds or Back in june we started having the european soccer come back. we had nascar comeback. We had basketball. Women's women's we had major league soccer of your new as an premier league Premier league across all comeback or have a bubble. They did it safely but of course we couldn't go to those games. We couldn't go and we had to stay home. Watch them on tv. So what did these networks due to make us feel more like we're at the base bugging the company in crowd. Noise try noise yes. I think this little weird but they did it anyway. Especially when you had these wide shots of an empty baseball park an empty soccer pitch very interesting sound and no matter how many games would played hunting noise just with the with that. Shot is just really bizarre. I like i preferred hearing the unit players. Talk the place communicating with each other and crack into that. It definitely was a lot more fun to that. And you had the some of these teams replacing putting the stands cardboard cutouts of people in things you could pay money to put your face on a cardboard cutout and every time the camera had these close ups of all these people who is really quite weird. The whole thing was very surreal. Very little uncomfortable. You and usually something would never ever happened like this. But that's kind of how you describe sports in two thousand twenty you think about it. Very interface of kobe. Any pandemic there was a lot of bright stories and feel good stories in one of those me happened with sports. Most of the sports came back. They did the bubble with little infection rate. Very successful major league base- major league baseball did not and so early on in the season in the wake of the first outbreaks of covid nineteen in baseball. The mighty marlins say eighteen players that were sidelined so they had to make some roster judgments what are the cool call. Ups was for any hours thirty year. Old book houston most of the past life pursuing a completely different sport in two thousand fourteen hours wanna to know the silver medal in short track. Speed skating is. He's not only the first olympic speedskater to reach the majors. He the first winter olympics athlete to do so. I think there's i thought it was pretty cool. And the fact that somebody who had a passion for baseball but it was kind of a sideline thing for a little bit why he pursued this love of speaking but then put the skates away. Picked up the baseball bat. Again and here he is playing in the major leagues Five weeks with the marlins appeared in twenty seven games in three different positions mostly second base batting to forty one. Not too bad he got homerun in about thirteen. Hits so good on him and for me. That was one of my favorite good stories of twenty two point. Five four three two one zero the i when i was younger i always and i still do. I'm when i grow up. I want to be an astronaut. Always have always will. And on may thirtieth for the first time since july twenty eleven astronauts launched from us soil. What exciting time that was for us for us. In the space race spacex company which is now partnered with nasa to be the next launch vehicle for the us said to astronauts to the international space station for two months in something that was called demo to man watching that take off with real human beings from kennedy space center was it was really really cool for me so that that that that day paved the way for what happened on november fifteenth. They did it with what was called crew on if the first crude flight to the international space station and this paved the way for us to go back to the move to eventually go to mars right. Now let's go to mars twenty twenty six. I think that's really excited. And what you see what happens. There's even a program a new reality show. That is going to start next year. That is called space hero. And it's going to one lucky winner to the space station. Pretend days now that that is definitely looking forward to that one and see what that takes us in finally of all of these things that you may have missed. You may have missed back in march. The pentagon released three short videos. She's back in april showing unidentified aerial phenomenon. Or you oppose these. These videos were originally kinda elite by a private company. Now the videos now the pentagon kind of got behind it to actually show the support behind it. The new shows your foes russia moving while being recorded by infrared cameras and according to one report the videos released by pentagon in order to clear any misconception by the public on whether or not the footage has been circling was real. Whether or not there is even more videos these neo for taking in two thousand fourteen in two thousand fifteen showing chevrolet steers object flying through sky. High speed many even taking pictures from our jetsons guy and the original videos released provided audio from. Us fighter pilots expressing management at what they were seeing. Of course this brings all the speculation as to whether or not our planet has been visited by foes in areas which. I think we can't not be so naive to not think that it's a possibility that we have been visited and we maybe they didn't get disclose as he's video suggest but nonetheless is very possible that we have some visitors join us from another world now is just back in november that the pentagon is forming a new task force investigate. Ufo's that have been observed by the us military. So there you go. The pentagon is actually jumping into investigating these now. I don't know what will come out of it. Probably a top secret stuff all area fifty one kind of things you never know. Maybe maybe there will be transparency between the ufo's and the pentagon letting us know what they get doubtful. But what do you think were those real. Ufo's have we been visited by alien life forms. Heavy breaking through atmosphere flying around eighty underscore foster and disagreement twitter in order. Just from the interesting news. Bits that i thought i'd share with you that you might have missed as we were consumed by go with nineteen the election and black lives matter and basically with the pandemic has done to not only country but to the world. I'm gonna finish up with a few fun questions as i always do as we look back on the year that was twenty twenty but i and now a word from our sponsors lou never thought i'd be doing a podcast until i discovered how easy was started anchor within minutes. I was up and running on my phone and recorded my first podcast on my phone. We can also use anchor website on your laptop computer and switch between the two. Let me tell you why anchor is a better choice about all the choices out there for doing your podcast number one. It's free who doesn't like free number. Two anchor walks you through the steps of creating recording and getting your podcast on all the major platforms. It does the legwork for you number three you can make money from your podcast right for your first listener. Who likes making money. This guy anchor is the complete package when it comes to producing your podcast on your phone or your computer so go to your app store. Download the anchor app or go to the website anchor dot. Fm get started. All you have to do get your podcast underway. This is tweet talk foster. Let's keep tweet talking. Tweet come from at mckesson at m. c. j. e. s. has he and they say say one nice thing about twenty twenty first thing comes to mind for me is we had a lot of heroes. We've have people that put their lives on the line to save others. Put their lives on the line to keep our country going and by that we have the healthcare workers. We have the delivery people. We have the grocery store people who went to work every day in the face of danger to be realistic. It was dangerous dangerous for them to go to work every single day. That to me would be my biggest one. Nice thing about twenty twenty. The other thing i would say is that it allows us to grow closer to the people that we love because we were forced to be with them. Maybe not the right word but we had to spend after day in the same roof with people who normally we get a little break from and it showed the to tessema relationships maybe growing closer and closer to those folks that we love the true for some people put. That will get the nice things to happen in this year. Now maybe we also spent his time gathering in creating a new hobby or even a new side hustle. I jumped into my creative side of me. And i have found new ways to do what i love. And that's create whether it's creating the video show. I did my tent or even jumping on. The station had app and having my own station where i play film scores and hard rock music. Sometimes together dryden's drive-ins made a comeback. That's the love of drivers. You not been to a drive in yet. You must need one you need. Define what and searching that to me is definitely a few good piece of twenty twenty pets and people got pets. They adopted and fostered new. Pets gave those pets are new and they won't regret sort of positive things out of twenty twenty because we have to find to look back on this year and smile. What is your pauses of twenty twenty. Let me know. Eighty underscore foster instagram or twitter or rate here in the college next and final tweet. Conversation of two thousand twenty here on talk comes from at rod black tsn are od beal a ck t s and and. He not only one. But he's one of the ones on his twitter feed ashed. Give me one word to describe twenty twenty so many things so many words can describe this past year. Lots of interesting ones. I'm sure you have your own just to name. A few there said because definitely suicide year not just because of the loss of life alone let alone the isolation which is another word to describe twenty twenty isolation isolationism for those who are around world. That didn't have friends didn't have family. Didn't have somebody to be locked down with. I couldn't even imagine what that was like. Scary scary show much not so much more known as to where this year is going to go and it was going to end not only the pandemic but we had the protests that just ebbed and flowed and the direction they took every day with response that this country gave and not even here but just around the world exhausting. It was exhausting for a lot of people and again some of these words can fit in be used to describe our health workers who put their their selves in a position to try and save lives every single day. Nightmare nightmare for sure this was justo czar. Czar year you add it. All up in really was a bad nightmare. Something that we want to forget. But it's going to be here. Be here even though it ends tomorrow as a record this year's eve but nonetheless it was a nightmare. How do you describe twenty twenty. What word will you use to describe. Twenty twenty twenty. If you could do it in one word curious to know your words let me know. I think for me to someone in words. It hasn't been used is what question mark. We would love to hear your thoughts on. Today's show let us know at eighty underscore foster on twitter or instagram. His rebel not only the talk. Twenty twenty. I think for hanging out with me. However many of my podcasts. You listen to the course of this year. And i look forward to bringing you more tweet. Talks more ponderings of tweets from twitter feed. I'll be able to great started new year. I hope you have a prosperous one. It's going to be great can be better than this year by far. We're gonna go eventually. We're going to travel will go to ballpark. We're gonna have great times of family. We're going to have big brunches inside dining places of our replaces wherever that may be. You can see new places you need see new friends in all friends and please take a moment over the next course of how many days just to thank the front line for folks that healthcare workers especially if you know a doctor you know a nurse you know an orderly somebody who works in healthcare professional. We relied upon them a lot this year for me. Especially i think. The focus. St lukes hospital here nick city. I think my family and friends who looked upon me and thoughts and the weeks that i spent dealing with covid nineteen. 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110: Clevelands Historic League Park  With Ken Krsolovic

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"How about them? Great here doing exciting team is telling their new home dig steel and filling their fans with dreams of a championship playing much better than anyone expected this late in the season. The fans have waited a long long time for the dive the win another pennant having. View in the one hundred twenty five story. Only three American League championships and just two world titles to be exact, and they weren't always known as the Indian when the franchise was formed in eighteen sixty nine. They were called the forest cities later, the Bronco the blues the naps after player-manager Napoleon Loy, then the spiders so named we're told because most of the players were tall and thin with gangly armed legs. It wasn't until nineteen fifteen. They became the Cleveland Indian named in honor of Louis chief Sockalexis the first American Indian the play major league baseball. He roamed the outfield for Cleveland at the turn of century was at their first home old Lee park that the Indians finally won their first world championship bidding Brooklyn in nineteen twenty just the Charlotte itself. Now as it stands in ghostly silence at sixty six and like. Welcome to good seats. Dila vailable a curious little podcast devoted to exploring. What used to be in professional sports? Here's your host, Tim hamlet. Cleveland? Hello now. That's not fiery king. It's your pal Tim handling. How are you? This is good seats. Still available are curious little podcast journey each and every week in to what used to be in professional sports. And I thank you for finding us. And yes, indeed, we have pointed our GPS coordinates to Cleveland, Ohio gigantic and very fluential city in the northern part of the great state of Ohio, and we're going to get into one of the palaces of sports in Cleveland's history. This week with our guest Ken Kresojevic about in particular league park, the the baseball and football park, and frankly other events as well that was literally the crown jewel of professional sports in Cleveland from what eighteen ninety one and nineteen Forty-six primarily, of course. Well, and best known as the home of the Cleveland Indians. And in latter years shared home with Cleveland spinach. Simple stadium. Not uncommon by the way to see the the Cleveland Indians playing day games during the week at league park in Cleveland and weekends holding down the fort at municipal stadium for much larger crowds and even some lights in case of of evening games. Interesting. Little footnote is will here in our conversation with Ken crisslow, Vic and a few seconds league park before its demise. In nineteen forty six was I believe the last major league baseball park to not have lights as as the years went on the stadium, basically came to its demise before lights even came into the picture. Although I shall here in our chat. There were some temporary lights lighting situations that occurred mostly from some of the negro league play as we'll get into because league park, not only the home of of the Indian. But for listeners of this show was also the home for for years of a bunch of teams in both baseball and football that are. No longer with us that we liked to kind of obsess about here on this little show the league park dates to all the way back to some of the earliest days of pro baseball in the US in the in the eighteen nineties, for example, the Cleveland spiders of the of the National League were one of the original one of the original. But certainly one of the earliest teams in in pro baseball. But as we mentioned, the buckeyes of the negro National League called league park in Cleveland home, and actually that's where some of the actual night games that were played at league park actually occurred. Albie it not with a permanent lighting, we'll get into some of that an couple of couple seconds or couple minutes. The football though, legacy of league park, quite substantial. The Tigers the Cleveland Tigers of the very first two to three years of the National Football League back when it was known as the association for professional. Sorry. The American professional Football Association, you get your Akron straight. I'd try least give it a try the association for professional. Now, the American the AP FA for God's sakes. Let's call it that right? But now, of course, the NFL has gone back and absorbed those early years when it was named as such even they couldn't keep the right name intact. So they just made that part of the original NFL, but the Tigers indeed report of that in Cleveland and they played league park, and we get into some of that as well as the Cleveland Indians. And or BULLDOGS depending on the year, you're asking in the twenties was another NFL franchise kind of took over after the Tigers fell apart in nineteen Twenty-three. They played at league park as did probably more famously and more memorably for successor generations that may be still alive. Listening to this will show. The Rams the Cleveland Rams who obviously absconded for Los Angeles after the nineteen forty five season. And we had a couple of episodes devoted to that. By all means give listen for those. But that's all part of the history of league park, our conversational topic this week with our guest, Ken crossover. Coming up for your enjoyment in just a few moments. And of course, though before we get into that. We gotta pay some bills, and we're going to do so with one of our favorite sponsors, of course. 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Have a little background on you, what your background is who you are and sort of how you stumbled across the story of league park, and why he wanted to go deep into a book about it. Right kim. I was I grew up in Cleveland, Cleveland suburbs and fascinated with baseball from the time. I was you know, could watch it on TV and whatever. And and the first game I ever went to ironically was not in Cleveland. It was at Forbes field in Pittsburgh. I think it was seven years old. And we were my family was there on a vacation for something and got to go to a game. And we we're in downtown hotel. We took a cab over and we got out of the cat. And my dad got out of the cabinet looked up. And goes Jesus is just likely park when I was a kid, and that was the first time, I think I realized we park existed. And then when I found out as I grew up that there were remnants of it's still there and a ball field still there. I was fastened. Hated by it. I loved going to the old Cleveland municipal stadium, then growing up and always had a curiosity about league park. And there had never been a comprehensive book written. And I always said, I was a journalism major. I started out I worked in college athletics. And I started out as a sports information guy public relations type and always had that interest, and I wound up getting hired at John Carroll university in Cleveland and the year I got hired was just out of college, and I was playing summer softball. And there was a guy on my team that similarly lights old stadiums and whatnot. And we got to be pals wind up going to games a couple of times different places. And he also was kinda fascinated by league park. And we always said some day, we should write this, and you know. He winds up getting married. I wanted to get married. You have kids. You know, we always talked about it, we stayed friends. Even though I had left town for a couple of different positions. We stayed good friends and eventually I wound up back in the greater Cleveland area. We reconnected and Brian Fritz who end up being the co author of this said, you gotta meet me downtown for lunch one day here. I got something to show you, and so this was probably about two thousand and seven or eight I met him downtown at the famous Slimane's in Cleveland where they have the best corned beef sandwiches. And he pulled out this envelope of a bunch of anecdotes little paragraphs written different stuff. He had been going for about a year down to the downtown Cleveland library, which has a fabulous sports area. It is unbelievable. They're collection. Well, he had been going down and going through the microfilm of newspapers and just kind of skimming and reading and coming up with little bits and pieces and stories, and he hands to me and this envelope and says. Well, we've been talking about it forever. Here. It is I've got stuff, and I went whoa and started sort through it. And it took us about six or seven years on and off working on it. And adding to as we went and came up with tons of great stories, we dispelled a lot of things you're gonna these these plenty of these anthology books with all kinds of ballparks and a couple of pages on each and the same mistakes while end up over and over in in these books and perpetuated, and we corrected some of them found some great stories and we've together into what became the book league parka stork home of Cleveland baseball. So walk us through a little bit of the process. Right. So so library, of course, that you're you're going back in time. Right. So this is more of a I'm gonna guess more of a a secondary source. Look back in top Mr. ical versus first-person memories. And that kind of stuff, but were there anybody was there any was there any sort of a any direct people involved in some of the stories, maybe from the Cleveland Indians organization were with any sort of people still alive of of you know, of any kind of note in this process or was this all an Stoorikhel kind of investigation dig there weren't any decision makers. We kept trying to find people, and we came up with lots of people who said, oh, I'll never forget riding the trolley down to league park with my grandpa, or my father, my mother or whatever and going to ball games. And we had that same story from a couple of thousand people. We there was no one left really that was a decision maker or was involved with the actual building or whatnot. So really everything. We did came out of research. You know came out of again combing new newspapers, which Brian did the most of you know, generated a lot of anecdotes and these little stories, and and things that that we were able to come up with and that make not only the book, but we do like PowerPoint presentations and whatnot. We did a thing at the Indian tribe fast for a ton of people. And you know, those kind of things are what really makes the story and the fact that league park, I think has an an inordinate amount of amazing things that happened there. Just incredible. How much the history of baseball and sports and whatnot and significant things that happened all seem to kind of weave around league park one way or the other. It was amazing to to to realize that. And in fact, working title of the book was in a league. League of its own. Because it we felt like it was so unique that so many crazy things happen there and significant things, you know, routes five hundred home run some big ones, you know, the fifty six game dimaggio's hitting streak etcetera. There were some big ones that happened there. But then a lot of these other things that kind of what you're interested in tied in with the the federal league and the early days of the NFL and the Cleveland Rams, and it just cry criss crossed over all of these various areas and was amazingly interesting. Well, the publisher didn't like that title. And no one's gonna know what that means. You know, just league park. Okay. That's what we wound up with. And the ironic thing was to find a publisher. We were. That was new to me I'd worked in a writer and whatnot as part of my career and college athletics. But I distinctly. Remember calling fella that that was at one of the Philadelphia papers. I worked in Philadelphia for a while that I knew that had had a couple books published and I said, I said, hey, how did you find your publisher? And he said, well, what's the book? I told him a little about it. And he said, oh, he says sounds like a great topic. Really interesting. He goes, nobody's going to publish it. No one's going to read it like what he goes, dad. There's nobody around and eighty year old people don't buy books, but we thank goodness found a publisher McFarland. That was the takes a lot of this kind of stuff. And the response has been just the opposite of what he said we have gotten tons of great response. Thank goodness. After you know, you're coming down the stretch of six or seven year project, and somebody tells you no one's going to print it. And no one's gonna read it. You know, my heart. Song, but it did you printed? And again, we have been, you know, going around various libraries talion American clubs, you know, whatever all kinds of different speaking engagements, and and get great feedback. Well, look and also it also does have some connection to current sports Linnea trading. We're big fans of sort of the the the used to be here on this this little show, and you consider yourself a I guess now in Los Angeles Rams fan. Right. I mean, you know, how many people want to trace it back. But you know, the Cleveland Rams, you know, where the were you know, without them. You wouldn't have any Los Angeles or Saint Louis or Los Angeles again or Saint Louis rans and the Indians, of course. Right. You know, one of the legacy teams dating all the way back to the origination. Of the American League, right? You know, didn't just Cup one day and start playing the Jake or what is right and nationally ball before that was at league park spiders who. Had a special show on just on them in the past. So so so let's let's start with this because this league park, right? Was essentially built for them. I will say exclusively. But but with them right now it was exclusively for them. Frank Rogerson was the owner of the team. He also owned streetcar lines in the city. You know, they were not public transportation is just that today. It's public in those days. It was private privately owned lines. They paid for the rights to to build streetcar lines on the city streets. So Rogerson owned the team, and he owns some streetcar lines and the ballpark eighty had. I believe it was at fortieth in pain wasn't very good. I think there was a tree and deep dead center field, and you know, was goofy park and didn't really work, and he spied some land a little further east, which at that time. You know, was you know? Not packed with homes or whatnot yet, and he picked up a block of land. And that's pretty much outta footprint of these ballparks in those days came to be and so he did pick one out wisely that happened to be where his streetcar lines intersected. So not only would he get your nickel when you forget there. But then he would get you to buy ticket as well. So he got you. I if you could literally say coming going. Well, that's the that's especially because you know, we we also try to look for some themes here and the intersection between professional sports and real estate right is absolutely. A Majorcan Centric configuration because you look at say what's going on with Major League Soccer right now. Right in the must have soccer specific stadiums. As part of the mix, and what the Atlanta Braves have done by basically moving out of the heart of the city into the suburbs. And basically, you know plopping their their ball field. Literally in the midst of a a mixed use development of of office buildings and restaurants and fem- kind of situations and stuff so in some respects, this is almost a, you know, a glimpse frankly of the the the necessary or the the dual relationship between that of real estate and the pro sports team, and in this kind of fashion. Well, and and you know in Cleveland again league park. Ties into what set the stage for? Municipal investment into teams beginning with Cleveland municipal stadium on the lake front in the early nineteen thirties. And so that that that story of league park and initial stadium built in thirty one the Indians only park the city invested first time that ever happened that the city invested in a ballpark and said we're gonna build this and the team's gonna come here. Well as soon as they finished the ballpark. The didn't move in the middle of the nineteen thirty one season, they said, well, we only park why are we gonna pay you rent and play down there? So it took them year to come to an agreement to get the Indians to move down to the lake front. Middle of thirty two. They played the rest of that season and had at least the playoff thirty three at the end of the thirty three season. The Indian said we've had three crowds here in a year and a half that wouldn't have fit into league park. So they said we're going back and they moved back to league park, which was still there and still in pretty good shape. Fact, they invested money in it. You know, added some seats and and painted everything up and in nineteen thirty four the Indians were back at league bark. So that whole thing though, that happened set the stage for what you're talking about not only real estate but cities investing to get teams. And the struggle that went on in Cleveland from the thirties early thirties until nineteen forty seven is an amazing story and itself before they finally took all the games to Cleveland state. It's interesting are before we get to that sort of that back and forth. Let's let's delve into the spider's for second. Because the original park was was made of wood has most most. Of the stadiums were at that time in the late eighteen hundreds right? We don't to go through the entire history of the spiders, but pretty interesting club, especially in their last season in eighteen ninety nine maybe it can kind of describe a little bit of a sort of the futility of that. But but maybe house successful or maybe then ultimately, not spiders were with this park. Yeah. Robots moves the spiders to this new parkey build your right wooden in eighteen ninety one moves the team. They're opening day pitcher is sei-hyung for the Cleveland, spiders, and spiders, not great didn't draw. Great the first couple of years there. But by the mid eighteen nineties AB came pretty good went to the temple Cup. Which was you know, there was only the National League at that's stretch. So they came up with a playoff system and the spiders went to the to the temple Cup. Eighteen ninety five eighteen ninety six. Meanwhile, Rogerson he's pretty frustrated because as many cities had they had Sunday blue laws. No games could be played on Sunday. He was he got angrier and angrier. Because now he's putting a good team on the field. 'cause attendance went up some but not what he thought it should be. And he thought the solution. We'd be Sunday baseball. He tried going. You know, just to the edge of the city went to the museum park yuko beach park. Played a couple of games they're played in Newburgh heights. Just on the south side of out side of the city limits try to couple of things and constant fight. Well, it never worked. It never paid off. And he got more and more frustrated. So by the end of the eighteen ninety eight season he came up with a different plan. He and his brother invested into the Saint Louis team and what they called syndicate baseball. You could never do this nowadays have two competing teams supposedly but common ownership so in eighteen ninety nine. They take the Rogerson take all the best players from Cleveland, and trade, and yeah that would be an air quotes. They trade the best players from Cleveland, all Saint Louis and trade all the worst players from Saint Louis over to Cleveland, so Cleveland has an absolutely miserable team loses goes wins. What was it one hundred and one hundred and thirty four losses. Fact, they lost forty of their last forty one games worst team in major league history. Of course. But no fault of Cleveland's or whatever it was really the spite of of Rogerson at that time to, you know, do this to to to the franchise and you Saint Louis cardinals fans out there should know that this was the teen ninety Saint Louis Perfecto. Are part of the lineage of the Saint Louis cardinals that we know today. Correct. So at the end of the eighteen ninety nine season there were twelve teams in the National League. There had been for about a decade and Cleveland was one of the four that they kind of got rid of. So it's down to eight teams and league park would have been vacant except that in nineteen hundred. There was the American League beginning to form, and it was a minor league in nineteen hundred. But it had designs on challenging the National League. So Rogerson on loaded league park to the new owners that came in with this new team. It was again it was a minor league team. They were called the Cleveland lake shores in nineteen hundred. But in nineteen one they declared that they were going to be a major league instead of being own. Only mid west based league. Many of the franchises shifted east. And they went head to head with an eighteen circuit to go up ahead against the National League. Yeah. So ironically, the the the damage was done, right. You sort of kind of blow up the team that was in Cleveland in many respects that a fresh start with this new American League circa nineteen one exactly and so- Cleveland got into that league. And and wind up having, you know, pretty good run their early on especially when nap LaJoie came over from Philadelphia because he tried to jump from the Phillies to the new athletics. In the American League. There was a court injunction, the Phillies said, you know, we have him under contract we ever reserve clause. He can't leave and accord in Philadelphia. Agreed. What the American League did? Then was in nineteen oh two they sent leisure way to Cleveland. So Cleveland picks up perhaps the greatest player of that time kind of on a fluke and the while the court battle was raging that year Lasley could not play when the Cleveland club went to play the flex in Philadelphia. If he was in Pennsylvania, he could have been arrested. So the team would go to Philadelphia he would take the train down through West Virginia across Maryland and go to Atlantic City and hang out for a couple of days. The team was playing the series in Philadelphia. Then he catch up with them after then finally got settled in nineteen oh three and could play full-time. And that's when last became the player manager of the Cleveland club. And they named the team. He was so popular they called them the naps. Yeah. If you want to hear the Philadelphia as side of that story, go to our episode number twenty one with our conversation with David Jordan. But that's an interesting component there of historian the fact that he basically to carve out a little detour. Or for himself before? The club because he can't get less to yet in bigger trouble. Why what's explain that? Then the rest of the the offs, right? Because this by the end of that decade, the notion of a wooden ballpark right is is clearly getting long in the tooth across all of baseball. And so maybe you can give our audience a sense of sort of win in how the the next generation of league park construction was sort of brought about well in nineteen oh eight plans when in place for shy park and Philadelphia and Forbes field in Pittsburgh, they opened brand new and ninety-nine Cleveland wanted to get on the bandwagon and have a concrete and steel ballpark like that. There was also actually ninety nine. There was another one other park was into Lido for the minor league team there. Well, that was built by Osborn engineering of Cleveland. So the owners of the Indians at that time in nineteen. Nine went and said, right? We want in on this. We we're we want to reconstruct take down the wooden structure and build a new ballpark on the same site. And that's what happened Cleveland winds up with a concrete and steel ballpark that opens on opening day of nineteen ten oh and irony. Opening day pitcher sei-yung it opens ballpark in eighteen ninety one with the spiders was the opening day pitcher who is back in Cleveland after some years in Boston was back in Cleveland and open the ballpark. A second time pretty unbelievable to think of that. That's interesting. So, but so the idea of these concrete and steel structures were so how long did it take to build that stadium because there was no interruption between the ninety-nine wooden? League park and the nineteen ten concrete and steel league park. Right. Right. Well for the nineteen nine season, the structure that's at the corner of sixty six Lexington which is the team offices, and the you know ticket windows and whatnot was built it was built in nine. So that was their beforehand and the old configuration. The ticket ticket windows were at the corner of sixty six and Lynnwood. So just on the north block north corner of the block, well when they rebuilt this. They put those tickets the ticket window on that what would be the right field corner that signature building which still exists to this day. And after the day after the final game in nineteen oh nine workers came and dismantled the wooden stadium. And the ballpark was in place. And ready to go day nineteen ten. Well, that's pretty that's pretty well thought out, right? You'd think that it would take longer and would be a bit of a Messier prospect, then but that's in that area. Very. So they pulled it off Cleveland Cleveland, Scott, the new ballpark, and they're you know, it was it was a rave, they were drew rave reviews. Now, it was the grandstand. That went essentially right field corner to left you'll corner the bleachers in left left field state intact from the old ballpark. Those did get rebuilt eventually and more seats were added in that corner. And lower deck come around another decade, nineteen twenty we're not gonna spend a whole lot of time on the although it's very they're very integral to this to the story. But it's an interesting little sidebar a couple of years later, you sort of alluded to it before. But maybe we could sort of talk about it now. So there was this upstart circa nineteen fourteenth nineteen fifteen call the federal league, and we've had a couple of episodes devoted to to that that league, and what that was all about it and the reasons behind it, but you want to the. League park had a significant role. Actually when it can't. And it's possible play in the federal you want to sort of walk audience through sort of what happened there. Yeah. Not much different than in nineteen hundred. When this upstart league, the American League came to be they were, you know, a minor league circuit for that one year, then declared themselves major league in nineteen to one and started raiding the Rosser the National League. Same thing happens. Come this. Federally group they have league called the United States league in nineteen thirteen. It's operates as a minor league. They put a franchise in Cleveland plays at what was called Luna park, which was actually a an amusement park. But did have a, you know, a grandstand and whatnot for for football. And and baseball, and that's where that team played in the nineteen thirteen season while the owner of the ball clubs Charles summers at the time, he was you know, panicking. There's another threat to my business. So what he did was he took. His top minor league club moved to the Toledo team to Cleveland for nineteen fourteen. So that there would be a game at league park every day either the Cleveland club or this Toledo club transplanted to Cleveland. And so if there was a competing team if the federal league had chosen to put a team in Cleveland, they would always be going head to head with another contest. So that's how. Dot Cleveland into this and really Cleveland was badly hurt though by the league with two teams playing. The teams were not successful. The attendance was down for both and summers. Gotten a real financial trouble and wound up on loading the team after the nineteen fifteen season. That's interesting. So in many respects, the idea to sort of backstop and try to prevent the federal league from sort of invading Cleveland the wounds were actually been more self inflicted by bringing a minor league team to fill in all the other other dates around sort of and hastened the demise of the current ownership of the current team. It definitely hurt them. You know that holy again. You look at the federal league standings, there's no Cleveland club. But there was this behind the scenes story going on in Cleveland, and yeah, it had a huge impact on the franchise. And what was what was the there were two gnome diploma of of the Toledo mud hens where they were playing those two seasons in Cleveland. What were they? It's not a quiz. I can tell you. Bearcats one year. And then they were the spiders which were reviving the alt-right. Exactly, they thought it would be a good marketing move to revive the the name spiders because it did tie into the into the history of the city in baseball. But ironically, we did find different references of nicknames based on the teams are based on the newspaper. So when they did Bearcats some used other names were they were couple of names that went around that year. So it was a unique situation. So that's very ironically, the federal league wound up actually compromising of what was going on in baseball in the city of Cleveland having never have played a game there. That's interesting without question. Yes. All right. So let's go into the twenties then because the team owner of the Indians by that time has guy named a who's a sunny Jim done guy and wildly decided to rename the park in his honour. Well, he renamed the park in his honor. He bought the team in nineteen. Fifteen and again, the fifth fourteen and fifteen teams were not good done comes in. He acquires Chris speaker, huge huge move to get speaker out of Boston becomes to clean becomes a player-manager. And the upswing starts so Cleveland has, you know, competitive teams in the late in the teams and culminates with you know, the nineteen twenty World Series and that championship. And again, you talk about first and crazy things that happen. You know, the first ever grand slam in in a World Series. First home run by a pitcher in World Series on assisted triple play. The only one, of course, the World Series ever still. And then we're all in the same game five in Cleveland league. Bark. So amazing. Again, confluence of things that happened there. It just is incredible. And yeah, sunny Jim done buys the team. But he got one of those things that we saw in many of the books. Oh, well, he bought the team in nineteen sixteen and then it became done field. Totally untrue. Some people may have referred to it as as as done field because he was the owner not uncommon Griffiths stadium Ebbets field. It's not all you know, lot of ballparks were named after their owners in fact before done bought the team a lot of people called league park summers field because Charles Somers was the owner, but our summers park, actually. But it never was officially summers park was always leak park when done bought it. It was still league park. But he promised to bring championship to Cleveland. So after the nineteen twenty real series victory done declared. He said okay now we can name it done field. And. So the truth is is that it was named on field. But it was only from nineteen twenty one he passed in about nineteen twenty three twenty four. His widow owned the franchise for a couple more years. So it was a nineteen twenty seven then after that season when she unloads the team then it goes back to officially being league park. But again, the locals really called league park way more than they ever called it done feel. All right. That's interesting. Okay. So we you know, you can understand right? That sort of the I guess you'd say the owners owners prerogative. Right. Absolutely absolutely earner field. Whatever it goes on to this day Jacobs Field when the when they opened in ninety four with the new Parker in Cleveland, Jay Jacobs was the owner at the time. So, you know, not unusual ever in the history. All right. We're gonna take a quick brief pause. 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The downloaded book free and gratis courtesy of yours. Truly here. It could still available and our friends at automous. Thank you audible. We appreciate it. And that we appreciate you joining our conversation once again. Well, it's also around this time where the earliest days of professional football in the United States were starting to make itself. Kind of known rag-tags at might being plenty of episodes kind of devoted primordial of what then became the NFL. But but Cleveland was no stranger to those those beginnings and early years of the NFL do you want to kind of kind of rebel a bit in how the NFL and league park kinda intersected? Well, pretty good timing because you know, nineteen twenty you know, we're coming up on the hundredth anniversary of of the National Football League. The NFL was founded in canton in a building. That was a car dealership was where the meeting was so northeast Ohio, which use the canton BULLDOGS the Cleveland team was actually dictating the BULLDOGS at the same time for one strips there. There was a team in Akron the Akron pros. You know, this was a hotbed. The NFL really its roots are in the mid west from Green Bay and Decatur, and you know, those towns Portsmouth, Ohio in on the high river, you know, the mid west was the beginnings of pro football, so Cleveland again, right in the midst of this, and where are you going to go? If you're gonna play pro football in the twenties. Well, there was really one good choice and that was leaked bark and with its odd configuration which was short porch down the right field line. It was more of a rectangular, you know ballpark. So it really did serve football. Well, and Cleveland had again a variety of teams that came in and out at you know, over those years in these early. Early years of of NFL football. And again, some of the competing teams to because there were a couple of different aren't incarnations of the AFL. I'm sure that was one of your episodes. Well, sure, so the Tigers quote unquote with the first ones in the the true, I two or maybe even three years two years of. Of the National Football League. I guess the NFL let's be clear the NFL. Named itself such in nineteen twenty two but the two years prior notice the the American professional Football Association, but but that technically is part of the NFL's original history and lineage and the Tigers were absolutely one of those first franchises playing in league park. Correct. And you know, the history of football league park those pre gate that because it became the site for big high school games. There was an annual Thanksgiving Day game there, you know, what was called the big four in Cleveland four colleges. Case tech, Western Reserve John Carroll and Baldwin Wallace. You know, that was a big deal in Cleveland, those four schools in so many of those games head to head and some of the games when they played outside teams were also played at league park. So the football history at league park does predate pro football. But also went simultaneous with the pro teams really all the way till the end of the end of league parks life as a stay. Radio. So what? So what was the relationship of the early and we'll get to the Rams in a minute because that's sort of a different sort of Ballo axe. But based on your research, what was the sort of relationship between the park and the Cleveland Indians has owners of of the park with say the Cleveland Tigers in those first couple years, the NFL, and then the Indians football slash BULLDOGS of the NFL in the latter part of the twenties was it a a rented, you know, ownership kind of thing where they paid rent these these football teams or was there any financial relationships were was there any friction say in terms of dates and and usage of the field and chewing it up and all that kind of stuff, especially when. I'm not aware of any financial dealings with the Indians ownership and the football teams that I'm not aware of it. I guess it's possible. But as I understood it, it was always a rental situation. But clearly major league baseball and the Indians, you know to dibs on the field because there were years where if there was early season game and the Indians were still playing that early season football game, maybe played at Akron or somewhere else instead of tearing up the football or the baseball field at that point. So that happened a couple of different times when and football really didn't take grips until October. When the Rams come about. And obviously there was a bit of a murky sort of a birth of them having played in the second American football league in nineteen thirty six and then correct? Then in the NFL. Self in nineteen thirty seven all the way, I guess until forty five, but they took a year off or forty three during the war and all that stuff yet talk about that and certain other episodes. But so you know as the Rams come into the into play at league park. It's a little uncertain to me as to why perhaps that they were in league park versus say municipal stadium which was built win. Well, municipal stadium opened in thirty one. Okay. So it was already established well established by the time the Rams came in and thirty six, but again the rent was higher. It's eight thousand seats did the NFL in late thirties. Need eighty thousand seats and the answer is no they didn't need it. And it was more cost effective to play at league park. So again, the city of Cleveland was extremely frustrated with the situation they had spent you know, gobs of. Money almost three million dollars in the early. Thirty sounds like nothing today and build a good scoreboard. Can't even here. Good scoreboard for three million dollars. But in those days, you know, it was a huge investment. And here they are frustrated they couldn't get the Indians in their fulltime. They couldn't get throw football in their full-time. They're filling it with, you know, all kinds of events to try, and you know, show that it was a good investment for the taxpayers, but I'm sure that they were very frustrated and it was an ongoing fight between the ballpark at league park and the city owning Cleveland municipal stadium. So yes, you know, the the Rams decide to play I league park. And in fact, they went a year to what was a high school stadium, a huge high school stadium somewhere around eighteen thousand seats, but they went there for you. You know, again, it was negotiating and eighteen. Thousand seats was enough. They did wind up playing a couple of seasons Cleveland stadium. But again, the the crowds didn't warrant the cost the higher rent to play down there, and they wound up back for their last few years of existence back at league park once again, and that's where they won that actually won the last champion won the championship in their last year. I should say, but the interesting thing was they did that great year in forty five. The words closing down. Troops are coming back. Pro sports is really taking off. And all of a sudden they wanted to in forty five. They wanted to move games from league park down to Cleveland stadium because they knew they could sell more see suddenly Parkhead. I'm was they had a lease. And they were stuck playing league park for the forty five season had a couple of huge crowds in there. And then finally for the championship game, which wind up being of course, their last game before moving to LA was at Cleveland stadium because the least didn't cover the potential of a playoff or championship game. So the club the Rams were able to negotiate a deal to play that one game the championship in late December forty five at Cleveland stadium. But there was lots going on then because the new Brown's had already been announced they had, you know, there's a great owners setup to come in and have have his team there and Paul Brown. I'm talking about and. The Rams couldn't get a lease to go down to the stadium at that point. Because the Browns now had a lease. They beat him to the punch and had at least for forty six at the stadium. Meanwhile, quarterback Bob waterfield of the Rams was out of southern California. He had a Hollywood wife in Jane Russell. And so the owner of the ram said I'm going to LA, well, actually, the NFL blocked the move at first because they said it's going to cost us a ton of money. And he said I'll pay the difference of what what got you to Cleveland and send your team to LA to play us. And that's really how that deal came about with the Rams moving had it not been waterfield. Had it not been. Jane Russell Cleveland by the head to NFL teams. They might have had the Rams plan at league park. And they might ahead the Browns down the lakefront, and for you complete is set there you want to check out our perfectly time with Jim celebrity and Andy on on both the the the Rams. And that those last couple years, and then the move to LA and the Browns coming in from the AFC and arguably being perhaps one of the greatest dynasties of pro football. So very interesting leak leak parks its share of quality. So what we're? You're some really cool pictures in this book of of sort of the of how some of the different layouts and stuff as a press box was like a temporary press box and how the Rams sort of used league park, but any indication as to how much reconfiguration or a fan inconveniences, or or were seating arrangement changes that might have gone down because of playing of gridiron football versus baseball in that stadium because it wasn't built for football per se. Right. Correct. Absolutely. But again because of the layout because of the block that Mr. Roberston picked out, and because of those trolley lines in eighteen ninety you know, it did it did work. Well, for football the third base line double deck grandstand. You know, went right along the field was an awesome view. And what they did was. Of course, if folks that aren't familiar with league park's right field had a high wall similar to. To the green monster at Fenway. Well, that ran along you know, behind that other side other sideline. Well, there was that whole area of what would be right field there. Yeah. And you're right. They did build a it would put a temporary press box for the Rams games that would be kind of against the wall and in front of that there were you know, they would bring in temporary bleachers. So that there was seating on both sides of the field. So and in fact, there was one time where you know, the some of the bleachers collapsed and they kept the game right on going. But yeah, there was some accommodations made for football absolutely miss out on another part of the baseball story here. Right. And that's the negro leagues in particular, the Cleveland buckeyes who are very much integral part of of league park during during the nineteen forties. And do I this is my presumption. So tell me if I'm off base on this or not it seems to me that the Indians, right? As the owners of league park seemed to kind of show more than just a few dalliances towards a municipal stadium. As those as the years progress in the late thirties and into the forties. It seemed like there were more and more games. Whether they be, you know, weekend games, or I guess the occasional night game. Right. 'cause was league park was never this. Interesting piece of trivia right was never lighted permanently. And I was the last park to be played in the major league baseball that never had lights purple Wrigley. Of course. When till fair that that went on and is no longer with right? It was still right. But so, but it seems to me that the negro leagues and particular the buckeyes team in my correct in assuming that they kinda saw a gap as the Indian started to kinda cast their I elsewhere besides league park, and they decided to fill that or or is it just different market altogether. Well, I get get remember, you know, they only park so they had this Trump card, you know, in negotiations with the city every time they would go back to the city, and they'd say, we don't wanna pay this much rent. Okay. When we take these games there. So they started to make you know wise decisions. What happened was after the Indians had moved out. We've touched on this earlier after the thirty three season thirty four they play all their games in back at league park comes thirty five. All the games are at league park pride in nineteen thirty three. They started something called the all star game in Chicago at Comiskey park. Well in thirty five they awarded the game Cleveland. And of course, major league baseball said eighty thousand seats, we're gonna take all star game. They're not to league park and the Indians, you know, the light bulb went on their heads. They said, wait a minute. We don't have to take all our games there. They sold out. They saw that this all star game sold out and made all this money. So the next year and thirty six they said. Well, we're gonna take a Sunday game against the Yankees down there and see how we do. So they promote the game heavy draw sixty some fouls and people. Let's filling league park, you know, two and a half times at least and they that gate on one day. So. It's all about the money, folks. It's pro sports. Whether it's the the teens the twenties or the, you know, the next century here. It's about the bucks so Cleveland decides start taking key games. Specially Sunday games down to Cleveland stadium. In thirty nine. The install lights lights started across the field. I believe thirty five or thirty six they put life city Cleveland puts lights in the stadium. So now Cleveland starts to take some games away from league park on week weekdays as well. Playing occasional night game down at the big ballpark. So Cleveland stadium, you know, and that fight between league park and Cleveland stadium continues. But you're right more and more games kind of make their way over time to the big ballpark because it becomes more financially viable. So the Indians are basically the the owners are getting paid by the by the buckeyes, I guess other other entities to right as right? So certainly within their, you know, within their realm they on the ballpark, and they still want to, you know, get the most value they can out of it. So yeah, they're renting to the buckeyes Western Reserve University. One of those big four teams we mentioned they were making a stab at trying to go big time in college football at that time. They scheduled pit West Virginia some bigger, you know, more name teams trying to elevate their program. So they're playing at league park. So it was within, you know, certainly something that the Indians it's a good business for them to make money off this piece of property that they own and again to the dismay of the city of Cleveland. So it wasn't until bills that bought the team during the forty six season that that type finally turned and after the forty six season that negotiates a deal. To take all the games back down to the big stadium for the forty seven season. Again, the Bassett families the grounds crew now they're taking care of the stadium while they kept keep kept on taking care of league park too. Because the buckeyes are playing there, and there's football going on there every fall as well. So, you know, the Indian haven't investment they have a piece of property. You can't just shut it down. And you know, they needed to make some money off it. So it was fortunate for them. And in fact, there was a time where they did talk about the buckeyes talked about adding lights to league park because they were paying twenty five hundred dollars per game. If they played a night game at Cleveland stadium that was their rental charge. Well, the lights were ten thousand and the installation was five. So in six games, they could get their investment back. Well, it never happened. They never did put the lights in and of course, the decline another story for you. You know that decline of the the negro leagues. After after the integration of the major leagues in forty seven. So negro league baseball, you know, really dropped off and fans didn't wanna go. They wanted to go. See Jackie Robinson played. They wanted to go see satchel page play with the Indians. And and Larry Doby play with the Indians. So that was the demise not only of the negro leagues. But ultimately became the final demise of league park. That's ironic that it's actual page. Obviously, plenty of tricks to to league park to compete against the buckeyes and wound up then being part of vex team in in forty-eight plan for the Indians across town. So, but you know, it's also interesting to in your as you discuss the negro leagues, and the buckeyes which had a very interesting history, mostly forty three forty eight and a couple of dalliances and Cincinnati and Louisville along the way, but there's an interesting picture on on if you're reading at home chapter chapter chapter. Six page one thirty four there's a very interesting picture there of league park circa nineteen forty nine. And it's amazing to see all of the housing and other construction that now by that time had surrounded the park. I mean, it literally looks like it's sticking out like a sore thumb. Amidst all this other megalopolis nece if that's a word. And you're right. Could see how tight and door. How constrained I guess it was right in terms of its maybe ability to to do more and be more as as the years went on for other sports and other events again remember in eighteen nineties when that lot was picked, you know, we're not private automobiles. You know, you got there by trolley or your horse or you walked or whatever. So. Yeah. As the ballpark grew in that area around it grew it was not conducive to parking. And you know, there were people made, you know, a quarter of car parking squeezes many cars on their front lawn as they could. And and you know, that's what that neighborhood was. And you're right forty nine that picture, you're referring to an aerial view. Or you can see it was just jam packed with. There was some businesses. And and of course, you know, plenty of housing but once league park went out once that nineteen fifty season. The last year the buckeyes fooled midyear and new owner gets the team from vac signs of deal to stay at the stadium and part of the deal to the city's relief is finally the deal includes that the city takes over the space that is league park and says all right? That's that's going to be the city's the city will own this. And what they did was they began to dismantle it. Then that winner of fifty fifty fifty one to one it is now in sort of it's legacy. What other things went on at that park, the sides baseball, and and football, what kind of events kind of a concert just other things because obviously, you know, despite having municipal stadium there since the I guess the thirties, you know, the league park was probably, you know, one of the pro prime venues in this city metro near Cleveland for I guess any other event or spectacle, right things like boxing and those. Boxing, was was big there really wasn't much else. In terms of concerts, or anything? There was we did come across since the book was published. We came across in nineteen sixteen. There was an opera held at league park the Zeke freed opera took the took the field space and was presented in league park. But you're right. If there was going to be a big gathering that was by far the biggest space in Cleveland prior to you know, prior to municipal stadium being built now there was the indoor public hall, which got built in the twenties downtown indoors and became a boxing venue in a basketball, then you, but indoors was different. The biggest outdoor space was league park until you know, Cleveland stadium came about in nineteen thirty one. So it's demise. And it's it's memory, right? So so it has become. What is it? Now, I'm not live in Cleveland area. But it was denoted as a national stork landmark, right? Wasn't it along the way somewhere? Yeah. And that was in seventy nine several attempts to try and revive us. Because again, the the area around league park after the team left that became, you know, really downtrodden area lot of the housing became, you know, vacant was not a good area of the city by any means over the next several decades it really was into Klein, but. In. There were a lot of people with nostalgia for the park and the leader. Honestly being fella named hell level. It's who was the sports editor of the Cleveland. Plain Dealer had been at the Cleveland news before that when out of business in nineteen sixty we're up at the plane dealers sports editor, and and really longs for the place and in seventy nine there was the first effort to try and say, hey, there's still this field here. Because again, the city took it over his apart and kind of on usual, you know, feel gets plowed under and they build apartment buildings and Forbes field lines up on Pitt's campus, 'cause it's right there, and it cetera etcetera, none of these places over very few which revive certainly not as a ballpark. But there was a ball field there and that in the fifties. And in the sixties, it was largely used by a lot of the Cleveland high schools, the premier games, they left some of the seating up, and and it was supposed to be the premier area. They actually built a city pool. One point down one of the down the left field corner. There was a basketball court down the right field corner. You know, that's how this place miraculously survived all of these years and Lebowitz Mr. Lebowitz at the Plain Dealer decided he was he kinda got behind. There was an effort to try and do something. And so he really trumped it up with a couple of columns in the Plain Dealer, they they had a big to do invited some little players back. I was just into college. And I went down there. They had a celebration on a day. And they'll want scans the fella who turned the unassisted triple play in nineteen twenty. He's standing out there describing on the field. How he did it. What a cool day. It was and it raised a little bit of money, but not nearly enough to do what the hope was and really the effort fell apart. There was a councilman from that area of Cleveland. Woman named fanny Lewis who you know, then took over the charge later into the nineties and whatnot. And said, you know, we we need to do something with this. There's all this history all these famous people and things and that that occurred there, and so she kept pushing unfortunately, she passed right before the city finally did come up with funding to completely renovate the field. They put all new fencing recreated the famous right field wall, which is higher than the one at Fenway park. So they they did a recreation of the wall and now you can go on that field and play in the exact spot where sei-yung towed the rubber and Bob feller. Did you stand into batter's box where Ruth hit the five hundred home run over that famous wall? And and that is all there today, and then that ticket office and office building two story building on the corner. In. What was right field that survived as well. That was used oh, it was used as a kind of a community center and whatnot gotten pretty beat up and run down. But the building still was there, and they fixed it up and city made the investment to fix that structure. Now, there's a museum there a fella named Bob. Zimmer had a fantastic collection of of baseball memorabilia and his what he calls the baseball. Heritage museum is now in that building. And he has lot of league park items. But also things his interest is in whether it's Dominican baseball and Mexican league and negro leagues. So he has lots of different things like that. And of course, even amateur baseball and Cleveland, which was huge back in the nineteen teens there's tributes to that and whatnot. So it's really a neat. It's a small museum. But it's very very cool. Definitely we're saying and again ties into this whole aura of history when you walk on that area and think oh my gosh. What all has happened here, and you can still picture it. And that's what's really cool. I think that's awesome. And I guess one. Last question is is how much if anything do the Indians Amish to the field at all in their current interational? Or is it pretty much in their review window window at this point? I would say the Indians have been supportive of the ballpark of league park. Major league baseball. This year has reserved league park for the week leading up to the all star game this summer. They haven't announced what's going to go on there. But there are so many things going on in Cleveland miss year. The all star game. It's become really a whole week long festival. So there will be something going on down there. But the Indians have been very supportive, and they do they do a pretty good job of honoring their history. They have a neat in in progressive field. Now, there's a. Very cool outdoor area with plaques and whatnot. In fact, plaque that hung league park honoring the nineteen twenty season. And the death of the Indians shortstop at that time that only league park is now in that area at progressive field. So that area on what they have done is very recog- makes great recognition of league park. In fact, if you go around on the concourse and the lower deck just to the third base side tasked home plate, and if you look closely at the concession stands that are there. They are built in tribute to league park, they have brick archways. There are large paintings of ballplayers from that era. There are a couple of plaques that represent some of the stories that happened at league park. So they really have done a great job of recognizing their history and inside the park and out. You know, the statues and whatnot outside it, really. I give the Indian organization. Great kudos for the things. They have done. Well, so there it is. There's the the admonition to our listeners is if you are considering going to Cleveland this year for the the baseball all star game and all the festivities you owe it to yourself to go check out the the old and still their league park or the remnants thereof as well as what's remembered progressive field, and I'm sure Ken will be more than happy to autograph purchased copies of his book as you go back in time. And and explore and see for yourself all these great little tidbits that we've frankly just scratched the surface within our in our conversation. So they can this has been pretty cool. You wanna give us a little bit of promotional goodness for the book. Which by the way, I have to say is. You know is very well written. It's very tightly put together. The the pictures are are tremendous. They seem to you've got to even interesting thing in the appendix. We were talking before about the renamed lease for few years done field in the appendix there in the back. There is literally the seemingly ahead of its time season ticket brochure that describes in great detail, including scenes of what your seats will look like depending on what you're sitting. It's it's beautifully reproduced. And it's just about as comprehensive book, I have seen dedicated to a particular stadium so kudos, but how can our listeners find it. And what else do you have up your sleeve, maybe beyond this book? Well, it's easy to find. If you type in league park book, it'll come up, it's it's officially it's leaked Barca star calm of Cleveland baseball. But it'll come up mine name canker salvage, and I my co author Brian Fritz are the authors of the book, and it was published by McFarland. You can get a straight through the McFarland website. They're on North Carolina. But it's on you know, of the usuals, Amazon, cetera Barnes and noble. You can find it on on most of those places. It'll come up at lots of different bookstore sites. It also is available at that museum at league park itself. It's available there. They use the book as a way to raise donations. So it comes with a donation to the museum effect. It's free entrance to see the museum. But they do ask for donations. If you make donation of a certain amount, you get the book. So. Yeah. And I'm down there. Sometimes so yeah, I'm there. I'm happy to sign it, Brian. And I again, we do lots of speaking engagements and whatnot. So it's it's easy to find. If if you give it a little look you'll you'll come across our book. Also, if you're interested in league part, I run a Twitter site that league park cle- league parks feeli, and we post this book could've never come to an end because we keep finding more great pictures, and you know, little tidbits and stories and different things about. So when we find that kind of stuff, that's where it goes. It goes on the Twitter site. So we'll find a new picture that we'd never seen before. We'll post it. We'll put the information. We we do. Note famous dates in league park history at cetera et cetera. I'm amazed at how we can it just continues to to add a followers of our sites a league park cle- on Twitter. If you're interested in old ballparks in general and league park in particular. We have lots of stuff on there all the time, and and just try and tie it to whatever's going on and we've come up with some meat things. We didn't even talk about you know, a lot of the famous events to nineteen eleven the first purported all-star game took place at league park after the death of Addie joss unfortunate death of great Cleveland pitcher, who's known hall of fame and in nineteen eleven they had a fundraiser for his family and the American League all stars played against the Indians in nineteen eleven at at league park. So that's outlined there. It's just it just goes on and on and again, the anecdotes little tidbit stories. The crazy funny. Things that happened down there. We have plenty of in inside the book. Hi, we'll save it for the for the book that people need to buy. And we appreciate all was only half joking. I guess apparently the Ken will be out there in about and with sharpie and handed. I guess they'll sign copies if and I think that's also a cool. Maybe even a better way to buy the book, obviously linked to it on our website and all that kind of stuff. And of course, we always enjoy when people click on the Lincoln, give us a couple of shackles keep our episodes going, but what better way, frankly than two more genuinely by actually at the park itself to such part of the story and stuff. So look I wish you continued success with it. And I also appreciate your squeezing some time in between your your unpire duties to talk about this. Among other things. I'm sure and I hope few other books get sold because of this of this thing, I learned a lot and I haven't been Cleveland in a while. But obviously next time I go I will make an effort to to go and actually see this because it's it's still there, which is rare to say, you can't say that about a lot of former ballparks with all this great history that you know, that actually still, you know, in some form or fashion somewhat close to original incarnation. There's a couple tiger stadium. Now has as a field there Morial stadium in Baltimore. There's field on that spot. But again, you know, this goes back to eighteen ninety one so too. It is purportedly the oldest major league field. That is still in operation where you can still go to play baseball on that. Our thanks to Ken Kresmanovic for a wonderful discussion about the history of Cleveland baseball league park. Cleveland football for that matter and a bunch of other teams that we can now at least put a little small little check Mark next to that. We've actually we've talked about. And hopefully, we'll we'll go deeper as the months and God forbid years go on the book, of course, is called league park historic home of Cleveland baseball, eighteen ninety one and nineteen forty six. It is written by Ken present Ovik and his co author Brian Fritz it is published by our friends at McFarland and company. And of course, you can find that wherever good books are sold. But of course, we encourage you to buy the book through the direct link. 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Breaking News Update: U.S. Loses 20.5 Million Jobs; Unemployment Hits 14.7%

Up First

12:45 min | 9 months ago

Breaking News Update: U.S. Loses 20.5 Million Jobs; Unemployment Hits 14.7%

"Are this is a special breaking news. Update from up first and NPR news. We know that the US economy is suffering and today we have a better understanding of just how bad it is this morning. The Labor Department reported that this country lost more than twenty million jobs in April. That was the first full month of the corona virus lockdown. The unemployment rate is now at fourteen point seven percent. That's the highest. It's been since the Great Depression. Npr's chief economics correspondent Scott. Horsely is on the line with me. Good Morning Scott. Good Morning. These numbers are absolutely staggering. Can you put them in perspective for us? Sadly this is one for the history. Books The worst monthly job loss. We'd ever seen before. This was back in nineteen forty five when the nation cut two million jobs as it demobilized after World War Two. This morning's report shows ten times that many jobs were lost in April. And as painful as that is it still doesn't tell the full story the economic wreckage. The pandemic caused that unemployment rate. You mentioned fourteen point seven percent that only includes people who are on temporary furlough or actively looking for work and of course a lot of people are not looking right now because they're concerned about the corona virus or the governments told them to stay home. There is a broader measure of unemployment which includes people who've given up looking and those who are working less than they like that figure last month was twenty three percent. Wow where where were the job cuts? What industries really across the board about a quarter were in bars and restaurants retail lost more than two million jobs nearly one and a half million healthcare jobs disappeared as doctors and dentists closed up their offices and government lost eight hundred thousand jobs. A lot of that was related to school closings. I've been talking with seven people behind all these scary numbers the whole world kind of standstill. Right now so we're feeling sex. That carmine DB is a Longshoreman at Port Canaveral in Florida. He used to work five days a week loading and unloading cruise ships. Of course that all came to a halt weeks ago when cruise ships stopped sailing when that happened and his son who's also a longshoreman spent about ten hours each on the computer. Just trying to navigate Florida's nightmarish system. He finally got his first unemployment payment about a week ago for about half what he'd make on the job he knows a lot of people are still waiting while we are tightening belt here on certainly better off than many meals yet. That's for sure there are some people that aren't bred lines and it's tough beverly pickering has also been out of work. She's a dog sitter near Detroit. Who Ordinarily looks after the pets of a lot of auto workers when they travel that absolutely collapsed? I've had no customers traveling and as far as dog walks everybody's home and walking their dogs. Detroit was also a hot spot for corona virus infections so figuring founders of worrying about getting sick as well as how she pay her utility bills and car insurance even know. Most of the creditors I think are being really pretty generous with people. There's a limit. It was a nerve wracking few weeks. A saving grace for pickering has been the expansion of unemployment benefits which has allowed to collect. Even though she's self employed I started getting that a few weeks ago and it has saved my life. It's paying all the bills and doesn't leave a lot over to do anything with but there's nothing to do anyway. Right David Edwards thought. He had to seasonal jobs lined up this year showing visitors around a zoo in Coal Valley Illinois and prowling around a Minor League Baseball Park in a furry costume as mascot for the Quad City River bandits. I am the big records but all those plans went out the window. Zoo is closed visitors for the time being and there's no telling win. The river bandits might be able to play ball Edwards. Who recently finished college studying music? Also hope to audition for singing gigs. But that's on hold for now. He's just trying to figure out a safe way to make some money while also trying to imagine what life will look like. After the summer I feel very scared about my future. What funding is going to be? What festivals or programs are going to survive? And that's GonNa make everything else. More competitive to a lot of people are unsure what the future might look like. Carnival says it hopes to start running cruises again in August but longshoremen. Db OSCE wonders. Who's GonNa get on board? How many people are going to be able to travel after being out of work for that long? You've been living on stimulus money. I know I'm not taking a vacation in. Who feels confident and safe enough to get on a boat when the perceptions out there that media boats are higher risk pickering. The Detroit area. Dog are is feeling some glimmers of hope just in the last few days with automakers announcing plans to restart factories. She's beginning to hear from clients who might need their dogs. Walked again soon. She's looking forward to that. She's heard about one dog who keeps looking out the window for every afternoon at the time they used to go for walks bickering. Says she's ready to go back to work. But as with everything else there may have to be some adjustments L. use my own leashes. We may have to be somewhat less affectionate than we've been doesn't necessarily always have to be petting if you can walk a dog socially distant. That's kind of what we'll be doing noel. Bickering also told me. She's prepared for a bit of couch chewing and pillow ripping if people who've been home all day with their dogs. Start going back to work. The dogs will adjust over time. But we'll we to that end Scott. Some parts of the country are starting to reopen. So is it possible that this report was the rock bottom? It'll get better from here. It may be the worst month for job. Losses but employers are not going to start adding jobs right away and the unemployment rate could ratchet even higher. Npr's chief economics correspondent Scott horsely. Thanks so much. Scott the news from the Labor Department. This morning is staggering. This is the worst. It's been since nineteen forty. What does this mean as we move forward end? Can we learn anything from the past with me now to help answer that? Heidi sheer whole Susan economist at the Economic Policy Institute and Claudia Goldin who's an economic historian and a professor of economics at Harvard. Good morning to you both good morning. Good Morning Heidi. Let me start with you. We're looking at job. Losses of more than twenty million with unemployment pushing toward fifteen percent. Which of those numbers is more helpful to understanding how we are doing? They're both useful but the twenty million is more. It gives a more of a picture of really what's going on because the unemployment rate right now is actually understating. Even how big it is. It's actually understating. How bad things are because there's a lot of people who have lost their job as a result of the krona virus but are not actively seeking work right now because of the lockdown and in order to be counted as unemployed you have to be actively seeking work if you counted those people in and some other folks who are likely mis classified as being employed But absent from work when they should be classified as temporarily unemployed the unemployment rate right now would look more like twenty four percent fourteen point seven percent so it's so it we are really in just unprecedented territory right now. Given that you've just said this is unprecedented. I wonder as you dug into the report. Was there anything there that surprise you either positive or negative the? Oh go at some positive news because this has been a very grim morning but one of the things that that was a was a bit of good news. That seventy eight point. Three percent of unemployed workers report that they are on temporary layoff and that's a very historically high number and that is good news so to the extent that people are still connected to their jobs. think that they're going to be called back that means that one viruses controlled in the economy can start successfully opening again. The recovery will be quicker because you can just get things going again when when people are still connected to their job. So that's that's one real sliver of hope here. Okay I like to hear it Claudia. Turn turnover to you. You're a historian. We're hearing references this morning to the Great Depression being thrown about. Is that a fair comparison. In some ways it is in terms of the numbers it is but when the Great Depression American. No one had any idea what was happening. In the stock market crashed credit markets are in shambles. Banks would begin to fail. There were bred lines. People would clearly unemployed and yet yet there was no way to measure it was no definition of the labor force. There were no data. We're in much better shape now because we actually know what's happening. The thing that is happening of course is a pant. I wonder this country has been through a terrible pandemic before in in one thousand nine hundred the influenza pandemic what happened to the economy then and is there anything we can learn about how we came back then. That would apply to today everything that I have looked at shows that the statistics that we have and remember we really didn't have real economic statistics. We've sort of rebuilt them. We can't really see economic decline. Part of it was. We were fighting a war so in fact a lot of the headlines were labor shortage. We also know that various cities closed down and various cities. Didn't at the end of the day they both had the same aggregate numbers of deaths. One of them had it over a longer period of time so we learn a little bit but we really don't learned a tremendous amount about what happened to the economy because that economy. If we look at it from our vantage point now doesn't look like it imploded the way this economy is imploding. Right now all right. It was one hundred two years ago so things are just different. I wonder though if we look at nine hundred eighteen then look at the Great Depression. Is there one policy that you could point to and say that one was a good one? We should be doing that if we're not already what we did during the Great Depression was we put in place. Something called unemployment insurance and that is in many ways a very very good thing we put it in place in one thousand nine hundred eighty five in the Omnibus Social Security Bill. It didn't pay out until one thousand nine thirty eight thirty nine until this. That horrible Great Depression was almost over. We have it now and that is a very important thing to get people over this terrible terrible situation. Nice to hear we have the policy. We need right. Heidi let me turn back to you. You mentioned that many people seventy eight or so percent are optimistic that their jobs are coming back Many of us are hoping praying. That will happen. Can you talk about the likelihood of that happening? And what kinds of jobs will come back. That's a really good question. And it's kind of an unknown right now. I do have concern that you know. These are self reports people saying I'm unemployed but I expect to be called back and so we don't know how many of those will actually translate into people being called back and I do think that now we're seeing more businesses going bankrupt. They may have told people. We're furloughing you. We're going to call you back absolutely in good faith but then because this was worse than they expected ended up going bankrupt. We don't know exactly what what share will will that translate into but but it does it. I am concerned about about that. And we just policymakers just need to step in do a lot more to support this economy and make sure that we can keep as many businesses viable as many people connected to their old jobs as possible so that when the economy can reopen it can do it as as smoothly as possible. Heidi sheer hose of the Economic Policy Institute equality of Golden of Harvard. Thank you thanks for listening to this special update you can go to. 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Playing tag with Landon Collins? Talking with ODU receiver Travis Fulgham

Big Blue View

18:08 min | 2 years ago

Playing tag with Landon Collins? Talking with ODU receiver Travis Fulgham

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of big blue view today's show. We have a couple of topics for you. We're going to talk about Landon Collins, and the fact that the giants have a decision to make on whether or not to franchise their star safety. We are also going to talk briefly about the recently announced decision by the giants to re-sign tight end. Scott Simonsen bringing him back for another year. Finally, we will talk to NFL draft prospect Travis full them a wide receiver from Old Dominion who is an interesting young man and an interesting NFL prospect full is a young. Man who has traveled the world, thanks to his parents being foreign service officers. He has lived in several countries didn't begin playing football. I believe until he's junior year of high school. So he remains somewhat new to the sport not as experienced as many players who are hoping to be drafted by NFL teams here in a few weeks. So with that said, let's get started here. And let's talk first about Landon Collins, we are now in the time period where the giants have to make a decision on whether or not they will use a franchise or transition tag on Collins who is entering his fifth NFL season and can be a free agent here next month once free agency opens should the giants decide not to tag him or be unable to reach a long term contract. With him. You know before free agency begins. I have said many times, and we'll stand by this that I believe that the giants need to put a tag on Collins to keep him out of the free agent market fact is if Collins gets to the free agent market he's going to have suitors he's going to get a big contract. The giants simply cannot afford to lose a twenty five year old three time Pro Bowl one time all pro safety you from a defense that frankly wasn't good enough in two thousand eighteen the giants need to be in a situation where they're adding talent not subtracting talent creating more holes, especially when you look at Collins who is still a young player at twenty five. He's a leader on that defense. He's a player that the giants simply must keep. So I am. I'm all in favor at this point of the giants using the franchise tag, which will cost them roughly an estimated twelve million or so against the salary cap. I don't have the exact estimate in front of me. It was in a post that we put together on big blue view the other day. So please go ahead and look for that. If you need the exact numbers also there's been some speculation with Collins about whether or not the giants should use the franchise, tag or the transition tag. And I don't wanna get into full blown explanations of what those tags are here in the podcast. Those again are in a story on big blue regarding Collins's. Potential free agency, the primary difference really the transition tag would cost the giants slightly less. But the transition tag would also allow Collins to negotiate with other teams. And would mean that the giants would not get compensation should Collins sign with another team. So the transition tag is an option might not be the best option. We'll have to see how that all plays out. But, you know, my strong feeling to be honest is that the giants need to put a tag on land in Collins to keep him out of the free agent market. They can go ahead after they tag him and continued into Goshi eight and try to come to a long term deal. But for me the giants have to do what they have to do in order to keep. Collins away from the free agent market. The the other news on on Monday or skews me on Tuesday. The giants announced the signing of tight end Scott Simonsen to a one year contract Simonsen really was their number three tight end a year ago. He's he's a useful player on special teams. He's a blocking tight end guy that can catch the ball in the short areas. The interesting thing as you watched Simonsen a year ago is that his skill set. Although he's less accomplished as a player less experienced his skill set mirrors that of Rhett Ellison the giants number two tight end. Who's also a blocking tight in a receiver pretty much insured areas of the field. And what it makes you wonder is if the giants would be considering moving on from Ellison who is. Entering the third year of a four year eighteen million dollar contract and carries a salary cap. Hit of more than five million dollars. Which is you know, to be honest a large amount of money considering the production that the giants get from red Ellison. I mean, he is a good player. But he's not a player that that really is one who should be chewing up a significant amount of your salary cap space. So it will be interesting to see what the giants do with red Ellison here as we get closer and closer to free agency and get to to that point in time where the giants have to make some financial decisions have to move some money around to to have salary cap space to make some moves here going forward into the two thousand and nine. Nineteen season. Okay. Giants fans. Let's switch gear here quickly. Let's talk to Travis full of Old Dominion what you're about to hear is an interview that was prerecorded that I did with Travis recently. Hopefully, you'll enjoy it. Everybody at and chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge half. My friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything in tech. News virtue is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seems smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. Okay. I'm joined now by Travis full them wide receiver from Old Dominion who is looking forward to participating in the NFL combine Travis welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, sir. So you on you participated. I believe in the senior bowl, my, correct. Yes there in how was how was that experience for you? You know, getting getting the participate there and getting comed- some NFL teams there. Oh, it was definitely a great expanse. The full out there with the best the best players in the country from all different schools. Definitely getting the chance to meet all probably thirteen up at the senior bowl. It was a grueling experience. But it was definitely worth it. Did you did you go out there? As far as your performance was concerned. Did you did you feel like you showed what you wanted to show unity during your time there? Yeah. For the most of it. I feel like I finish strong. But I definitely could have performed better. And you had a, you know, looking at at the statistics. And dude some research you had you had a big senior season at ODU. Was there? A was there a reason for for that for for the improvement? You think that you showed as a senior? This year things were just clicking for me. Also the. We hired New Year's coats, Jon Allen. I like you helped me a lot on and off the field. A lot about the receiver and how to. How to go about how to go about wide? How to go on my my daily routine of studying how to become receiver and said each game weeks? We now have to ask you. I saw the the YouTube clip of the block that you through where I think you you carry you carried the defensive back for about for about twenty yards. How much how much attention have you gotten for that play in interest? Explain to me quickly. What happened on that play? Oh has only test. I've gone for it was a Twitter. But. We were playing that you, and it was just a simple smokescreen, though receiver pretty serves as they Harper you cut the ball. And you know, he he may one guy, and I I have to stay on my block to the plays over. So that's that's what I was. You know, in in addition to the receiving I mean, people don't people don't talk too much about about the blocking. And that sort of that sort of thing downfield. We saw with the giants this year was saquon Barkley. We saw some receivers giving on awful lot of effort down the field to block is that something that's important to you. Absolutely. That's definitely a key factor being Caesar Barca at making sure place for or. Or apple if they want or in the other receiver, so he can send. He can send before. Not you. You're believe six three to fifteen of if you were to give a scouting report on yourself on what kind of wide receiver. You are what you would bring to the table for an NFL team. What would that scouting reports out like? Like, I'm a big Klay receiver. I can make a big place down the field. I feel like I'm sure had and also my big red zone threat. And I know that that you have an interesting well-traveled background. I think I I read that that includes living in Jordan, Egypt, India, South Africa, maybe a couple of other places. I apologize. If if I missed a couple, but. I got him. All that's good. Do you feel like like all of that? You know, does that does that prepare you in any way, you know, for for dealing maybe with, you know, with some of the unknowns that you're dealing with your as you go through the draft process. Yes. Absolutely. I like living in many different cultures of sub meal for any any different aspects on lifelock actor get along with anybody. I feel like and. I could just adjust very well, many differences. And if I'm right you didn't play football until your junior year of high school, correct? Yes, sir. So, you know, with that in mind, I mean there there's a lot of a lot of kids a lot of players who start playing at a much younger age than that. The u does that make you feel like, you know, where you are now in terms of your growth in terms of maybe your polish as a receiver. Does that make you feel like there's there's a lot more for you. To learn more levels may be for you to reach. Absolutely. Great amount to grow. I still alive. We're going. I'll I'll be able to get a lot better. Did you did you have a favorite team growing up? Oh, I don't know. If giants fans wanna listen to that. Yeah. Slow that. Oh, that's that's hey, you gotta tell me the truth, right? Yeah. Yeah. But the you you said you met. So this is this is true. This this is true. So in my son happens to be a patriots fan as well. So I hold that against him as well. So I I'm not sure how that happened. But it happened that that's that's a family issue that we have so. So you said that you said that you that you met with the with all thirty two teams at the at the senior bowl pretty much. In looking forward to here's pretty much the last question that that I'll ask you today. Travis looking forward to the combine, you know, coming off your senior year coming off your senior bowl. Is there something in particular that you feel like you still need or want to show NFL teams when you get to the Combi? Yes. I just want to show them that. I'm explosive athlete. Also that I care about this game very much that I'm very motivated cover Greg receiver the next level. Hey travis. I appreciate your taking some time to to join us today. So far. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Giants fans. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman explains Odell Beack trade, defends Eli Manning

Big Blue View

15:06 min | 2 years ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman explains Odell Beack trade, defends Eli Manning

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host advantage of big blue view. Today's show will be regarding. Dave Gettleman remarks on Monday morning about the Odell Beckham trade. And also a couple of other matters. Landon Collins ally manning the presence of of Djibril peppers on the giants defense. What we're going to do today is a little something special. We're going to play some clips from Gettleman Monday morning press conference. So you'll hear that clip. You'll hear a few things that Gettleman had to say of followed by yours truly giving you some reaction to those remarks. Let's get started quickly with Gettleman. It's. Explanation regarding why the giants made the Beckham trade. We was concerned talk for the shade by them and John. John new we're going to give Delaware. So frankly, initial off of piqued our interest in a way, we went from initial call Tuesday monies? We finalize it was probably about ten hours. And it was considerable back and forth. So obvious question is why as as the question that everybody has and after much discussion we just believed this was in the best interest of the giants. I want everybody to know. This was purely a football business decision. There's no intrigue. There's no easy said she said when all of that stuff. So let's time with those types of questions after the fact. Dell's tremendous talent making valuable asset with football being the ultimate team game. And you know, you you guys shift at a number of times football being alternate team game, we turn that fact three s at the very least. I completely understand. Why people are going to debate the merits of this deal because draft picks were involved. This trait really won't be able to be completely evaluate until we get further down the road and finally because of gills telling personality this was a decision we did not enter into lightly. So clearly giants fans what Gettleman in the giants believe is that they got good value turning Odell Beckham into multiple draft picks turning him into two first round picks, including Djibril peppers. Let's hear a little bit more from Gettleman regarding the value that he believes the giants got in the trade. You know, we weren't actively show. Called coming to the only one I reached was again buffalo, and I was just as much given Brandon Saad time anything else, but you know, for us to get, you know, Djibril peppers who we we think's going to be a very good safety in this league. And he's young we've got him on the contract three years, and, you know, very reasonable value to get another one this year number seventeen. I think in and to get that kind of value in this type of draft and to get to get a third round pick. Completing our, you know, our cut dance cats for April who just too much to pass up. You know, we've got physicians to address. And you know, this was about us having the ability to address multiple position next giants fans, you'll hear Gettleman discussed the idea that the giants don't have a plan going forward something that he obviously disputes. He'll tell us a little bit about what that plan is. So let's give our next clip. Listen. Got a plan and overtime. You know, you've got to be patient. Everybody wants answers that we live in history gratification society, instant gratification world, everybody wants answers. Now over time. You'll see you gotta trust. We have whipped positions to address. And now plan is to address those positions with building people. I feel object of this is to win. As many games as possible every year. Okay. So we're building brand thirteen when I took over five and eleven last year. Twelve of those games were touchdown less. We're building. You know, I I don't understand. Why that's you know, what that's a question. You know, you know, you know, in really and truly you can win while you building whether you believe in Gettleman plan or not this is what we've been telling you at big blue view, you know, some people thought when the giants traded Odell that they were in rebuild mode. The giants are not necessarily in rebuild mode. As Gettleman said they're building they're trying to win. They're trying to do both things at the same time Gettleman has no interest at this point in time in what people would refer to as tanking in throwing a season away in simply saying, oh, maybe we'll be good in two or three years. He wants to try to do both. Is he crazy? Maybe he is crazy. Maybe he isn't. We don't know. But he's trying to do both. He wants to rebuild the giants. Roy. Mr. the underbelly of what he thinks is has was a roster that simply wasn't good enough when he took over before the two thousand eighteen season at the same time. He wants to win football games. It's what he said before he doesn't want to have a team that goes to and fourteen he wants to try to be competitive. You know, while he tries to set the giants up for a better future. He has in the past used the phrase sustained success in AIBA leave thoroughly that is what he is trying to accomplish your set the giants up for success sustained success where they can win consistently. So is that doable? Can he pull this off? Can he do both? I don't know. But it does appear to be what he is trying to do next. Giants fans will hear Gettleman talk a little bit more about judging. The the Odal Beckham alleviate Vernon trade to. Cleveland, and what it's going to take to actually judge the success or failure of that. In the end. Values not going to be able to do, you know Roman? Call seem some up down the street her little bit because we gotta see how Djibril develops. And we've got to see how this number one. Is who this number three is. And we got looking you know, you guys will obviously follow those career. Then we'll go from there in two three years. You can you know, you'll have your opinions just like you have now. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation, and I wanna tell you about my new show. It seems smart. It's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up amount. Or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Everybody at chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge cast, my friends, Paul Miller debone, we've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. So giants fans Gettleman is preaching patients. Even he seems to realize that he has rolled the dice here. He understands what kind of a player he traded away. He understands that. There's no real way at this point in time. To know if the giants will come out of this trade looking good or looking bad. He knows that. He feels like he got the best possible value that he could get but we have to see if the giants are a winning team or a losing team. A couple of years down the road. Let's see Djibril peppers is the kind of player the giants think in hope that he will be see what they're able to do with the seventeenth overall pick in the draft. What they're able to do with the ninety fifth overall pick in the draft that they got from the Browns. And we'll see you know, history will judge we can't tell now I mean as Gettleman head indicated it's an instant gratification world, everybody wants to put grades on things as soon as they happen. But let's see what happens down the road. Let's see if Gettleman is able to pull this off to make the giants of winning team, you know, in a somewhat unconventional way in you know, we'll see what we'll see what happens. And you know, I I've been saying that big blue view that it's going to take time it's going to take patients, and that also seems to be where Gettleman was today in his remarks to giants beat writers during a conference call also the final thing that we're going to hear is Gettleman once again reiterating support for ally manning, and once again, speaking about the fact that he believes that the negative narrative that has been. Surrounding manning, you know, for the last couple of years is really unfair to him. So let's give that final clip lists. And then I'll come back for some for some wrap up thoughts. I shouldn't Indianapolis, and I'll say it again you turn around and take a look at what happened last year. Once we got a little line fixed loop. You know, better we're gonna continue working on that. And look what we did the second half of the year on offense. So again this narrative. Did you is can't play is a crock? I'm telling you. So at the end of the day, you guys go say get them out of his mind or those talking about when he value. It's players. That's really what it is. There you have it giants fans Gettleman saying that the narrative surrounding thirty eight year old Eli manning who will be back for a sixteenth season is a crock and also, you know, saying that there really wasn't a decision to make in terms of whether manning would be back as the team's quarterback in two thousand and nineteen. We didn't get into with Dave, you know, what he might do in the draft. Whether he would select a quarterback in the first round all of that. You know, we have covered those things with him. We covered those things with him in Indianapolis. We know that the giants are looking for that guy who will replace Eli manning. But he made it clear that there is still a belief in ally, you know, at least in the short term. So there you have it giants. Fans as far as Gettleman as far as his discussion of Beckham his discussion of why they made the trade why they are moving forward with ally. Manning what the plan is which seems to be trying to to both win games. Now. Get better in the short term set the giants up for long term success. Hopefully, you enjoyed this show. You enjoyed being able to listen to some of the clips from Gettleman press conference this morning as always we thank you for listening. Please remember to subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast, applications give the shows that Chris Fleming. Dan position to do a listen as well things are growing like crazy here at big blue view radio in the month of March. We've already established a a high in downloads since we began this show a few months ago, we appreciate your support. We thank you for listening as always, and we will talk to you again soon. Bye bye. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full Tron keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners. Associations, bears and video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being trapped in a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having huge contracts or coaches making terrible decisions coaches saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dumb. Beautiful sport like time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and it wind up killing seven rattlesnake. Wchs a pig and a Coyote, sometimes we talk about okay alleged with if you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves the taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Like this one this Devo cast. 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Giants free agency preview as tampering period begins

Big Blue View

14:37 min | 2 years ago

Giants free agency preview as tampering period begins

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's us podcast here on big blue view radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine, big blue view today's show is coming to you on Monday, March eleven and that is the first day of the NFL free agency legal tampering period with free agency signings allowed on on Wednesday afternoon that's March thirteen so today's show is going to be a quick overview of the giants and free agency. I I wanted to address the idea that keeps being sort of bandied around that giants general manager. Dave Gettleman doesn't have a plan or that. The franchise is. Directionless to be honest with you. I disagree with that. I think that perhaps Gilman's plan is different than the plan that summoned the fan base and some in the media, you know, would would like or you know, would implement if it was their decision. But I do believe that. He Pat Shurmur John Mara do have a plan. I think the beginning part of that plan was put in place in two thousand eighteen when the giants spent quite a bit of time and effort to change a locker room culture that had become a divisive sort of losing kind of culture. I think that the giants largely accomplished that through the two thousand eighteen season. They obviously didn't win enough games. And obviously the bottom line is winning and losing. But I do think, you know, they made some strides. They did accomplish sort of cleaning up. The locker room, you know, making it a better environment. I think they will continue in that effort. When it comes to directionless. I know that people get upset about the fact that he li- manning is still a quarterback. But I do believe the giants understand that they are in a time period. They are in a situation where they must go after you know, a new franchise quarterback. And I think they are doing that. I just obviously they studied the market last year and chose to go to saquon Barkley instead of a quarterback in the draft. They have options in the draft this year, they may or may not decide that twain Haskins is their guy. But again as I've said repeatedly whether they choose to draft Haskins or not if they if they pass that doesn't mean they're ignoring the situation. It just means they believe that Haskins is not their guy. I do think they'll address that that quarterback situation. As soon as they find the guy that they believe in. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. Everybody at chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge fast. My friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. When it comes to to free agency at noon on Monday is when teams can theoretically begin what they call the legal tampering window. We've done a lot of previews at big blue view regarding free agency. And when it comes right down to it. You know, the giants don't have they don't have unlimited resources coming into free agency. They have somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty four million dollars. You know, minus. I think maybe ten point six million that they have to allocate for their rookie class. I don't get all caught up on the numbers. I don't get all caught up on all they can only do this this and this because of the money that they have there are always ways to manipulate the salary cap. If the giants have a couple of players that they really want to go after. They'll be able to do that. They'll be able to make competitive offers to go after guys that they want in terms of targets. It's really obvious that with what the giants did with the alleviate Vernon for Kevin Zeitler trade with re-signing John hell, a PO looks like the one position on the offensive line that they will be going after that they really need to address going forward is the right tackle spot where Chad Wheeler just isn't adequate in that spot. I think it's it's kind of a no brainer. That the giants will make a big run at Carolina Panthers. Right. Tackle Daryl Williams. You know? He's a guy that Dave Gettleman drafted in Carolina in two thousand fifteen I know that big blue views Dan position has some concerns about Williams. But he is a good player. He's in -ccomplish player. You know, he's a veteran. Who knows what he's doing? He would upgrade the giants. Offensive line significantly. You know, if if they're not able to sign Daryl Williams, perhaps germy Parnell who was recently released by the Jaguars would be in consideration there other than other than that. Right. Tackle spot. I think the giants will use their resources whatever resources, they have, you know, to try to upgrade the defense where obviously after letting Landon Collins go and trading Olivier Vernon they have to rebuild that side of the ball. And part of me go back to the direction topic. I think part of what they're doing. Here is building a defense or trying to build a defense with the pieces that James Becher would like to utilize with players who fit into his scheme. Into his vision of what a defense should be. And with that said, you know, some of the targets that we have to consider, you know, heading into free agency, our guys who used to play for Becher in Arizona, one guy that I strongly suspect that the giants will make a run at is Edris, you're Marcus golden guy who had twelve and a half sacks. With bet you're in Arizona in the two thousand and sixteen season suffered a knee injury in two thousand seventeen played part of last season as he came back from that knee injury is apparently going to be allowed to hit the free agent market by air Zona. I would expect the giants with a need at out on the edge to make a run at golden wouldn't be surprised at all if golden winds up with the New York, John. A couple of other players to ran Matthew. The Honey badger is a possibility in the secondary. So as Dion owned Buchanan, a guy who could who could fill some of that Landon Collins close to the line of scrimmage role. So both of those guys might be in play for the giants as well. Some other guys, you know, whose names I've heard a couple of Chicago Bears slot cornerback Bryce Callahan out at corner where the giants could use some veteran help. Also, I would strongly suspect that the giants will make a play for someone in the in the free safety market the name that you most commonly here is Adrian Amos of the Chicago Bears. You know, a fairly young player who's been very good for Chicago may not be a dynamic playmaker. Intern. Terms of forcing turnovers and creating interceptions, but very solid player on the back. End of a defense guy who would considerably upgrade the giants over Curtis Riley who was a disaster at free safety in two thousand eighteen the giants defense, you know, badly needs a center field type safety, ammos seems to be the one who could be the primary target and allocating resources is one of the reasons why the giants I think chose to move on from Landon Collins. He's terrific player. Terrific guy. You know was a locker room leader popular guy with the players popular guy with the media popular guy with the fan base. Really? It's simply came down to the fact that I think that the giants didn't want to allocate massive resources to a guy who is basically a box safety a guy who plays close to the line of scrimmage, not that that's not valuable. But I think that what they see in what they feel is that they really need to allocate resources to the free safety position. And with that being part of the plan. Let's see now over the next few days if they're actually able to pull it off if they're able to get the guy that they want whether that's Amos or someone else will have to see. But I do think you know that. That the giants do have a plan here as I said at the top of the show. I disagree with the idea that they are completely directionless. So you know, we'll have to see how the next few days play out as the giants. Try to try to rebuild this defense. As I said giants fans, this is just a quick show to remind you that the free agency tampering period does begin on. Does begin this afternoon. And that the giants, you know will be you'll be hearing a lot of rumors. You'll be hearing a lot of speculation on Twitter on big blue view. Please check out. Our giants roster tracker to keep track of all of the the updated news and rumors. Check out our free agency hub page checkout. Pet trainers look at the at the salary cap Dan position to previewed offense and defense. I'm taking a look at what at players that. I expected giants to target over the next few days. So please also please remember to follow big blue view on Twitter to subscribe to big blue radio on all of your favorite podcast application. Check us out on Instagram at big underscore, Blu underscore view. Check us out on Facebook. Join our community at big view dot com. If you haven't so that you can you can take part in the discussion or giants fans, we'll have a lot more for you in the coming days when it comes to free agency. Thank you for listening to this very quick show. And we'll talk to you again soon. Bye bye. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kerr. My name is Ryan nanny. But we combined we form the shutdown full stran- keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about on care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being drafted a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football. Russian like about coaches, having used contracts or coaches making terrible decisions coaches saying really stupid things or the NC double as they released. Yeah. There's lots of stupid things in this big dome. Beautiful sport time Arkansas decided to use captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and they wound up killing seven rattlesnakes a pig and a Coyote, sometimes we talk about okay village, it with if you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves to be taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Like this one this full cast. It's not voltron unless it is.

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#B30 (band to bandicoot)

The Dictionary

13:07 min | 1 year ago

#B30 (band to bandicoot)

"Hello Word nerds. Were to another episode of this. Podcast called the dictionary Let's see I haven't said this for a little while so I'll just sort of rehash it for any of you new folks First of all Go BACK TO THE BEGINNING. Goto the very first episode and listened from there You know I personally. I just think it's more interesting to start from there. You sort of see I don't know my journey. You you might miss if you if you start somewhere in the middle There might be something that I say. That doesn't make sense because you didn't listen to the earlier episodes So personally I think that's the best way to do this. All of my episode. No all of my contact information is in the episode description Email and twitter and facebook and instagram and What else I started to do. No editing so if you also are new and like why does he keep on screwing up and not editing those screw ups out That is because I decided at one point to stop doing editing Just because You know I think it's kind of interesting and fun and forces me to just keep on talking just like I am right now but the problem with that is that I don't have any good Outtakes anymore I am editing. An outtake episode. Which will be on the Patriots on That'll be an exclusive. If you pay five dollars or more and But you know in the future. I might go back to editing and give you some New Silly outtakes. Actually I think the outtake that is gonna be maybe a few episodes As I was thinking about it. I think I'm going to give you a few sort of shorter episodes anyway. Let's talk about some words. The first word is banned B. A. N. D. It is the second form because we had the first form in the last episode This one is a verb from the fifteenth century. We're going to start with the transitive verb definitions one to fix a band to or tie up with a band. Number two to finish or decorate with aband- number three to gather together synonym is unite as in banded themselves together for protection now we have the transitive definition. Looks like there's just one and it says to unite for a common purpose often used with the word together as in have banded together in hopes of attacking the blight that is common to them all and that is a quote from J. B. Conan's or covenant Bander is a noun and now we have the third form of banned. It is a noun from the fifteenth century. Yes a group of persons animals or things especially a group of musicians organized for unsubtle plane. I have been in some bands. I guess I was in Band in school in Elementary School in middle school and high school and a little bit in college and I was in. I think just one band with my friends with my friends in high school I sorted joined in for a little bit and then I think they disbanded because I was so much better than they were in. They said they can't keep up. No that's a joke I play the saxophone by the way So let's see this is middle French bonda which means troop From the Old Austin or oxen. I'm still not sure how to pronounce that word. Which means Bonda are not the old ox inward Bonda It is of Germanic origin. akin to the Gothic word. That is Gothic Right G. O. T. H. A. DO GOTHIC YEP The gothic word. Where did it go? Bond will be A. N. D. W. O. which means sign or standard and. There's more word banner next. We have bandage. It is the I form of two. It is a noun from fifteen ninety nine one. A strip of fabric used especially to cover dress and bind up wounds number two a flexible strip or band used to cover strengthen or compress something. I recently used many bandages when I had my foot injury on January fifteenth. That's when my foot injury happened I still have a pretty nasty scab on the top of my foot and I'm going to have a very weird Scar next we have the second form of bandaged. This one is a verb from seventeen. Seventy four to bind dress or cover with a bandage as in bandages. A wound also a bandaged ankle. And next we have bandaid. It is the I form capital B. Capital a with a hyphen It is an adjective from nineteen seventy offering making use of or serving as a temporary or expedient remedy or solution and now we have the second form of band-aid it is a trademark used for a small adhesive. Strip with a gauze pad for covering minor wounds. Why do I say wounds like that? I don't know what's fun next. We have Bandanna it is a noun from seventeen forty one a large often. Colorfully patterned handkerchief And that's the end of the ups are the that's the end of the sentence. It is a Hindi Word. Bond new And and or do Bond new is at the same word. It is Basically the same word. Pindi and her do a word bond new which means tie-dying or cloth so died ultimately from the Sanskrit word bond naughty which means he. And there's more at the word Minda. I bet you didn't know that. That's where the word Bandanna came from Yeah next we have B. and B. It is a noun from nineteen fifty three. And we just have these synonym bed and breakfast and of course We now have AIRBNB. Which has changed the world of hotel and Motel living and Yeah it's IT'S. We live in a weird world. Don't we all right next? We have bandbox. It is all one word This was the first form. It is a noun from sixteen thirty one one eight usually cylindrical box of cardboard or thin would for holding light articles of tire number two a structure as a baseball park having relatively small interior dimensions. Now we have the second form of Bandbox This one is an adjective from eighteen. Forty four exquisitely neat clean or ordered as if just taken from a bandbox as in a bandbox perfection of appearance. Bandbox is also an adverb. Now we have B and e. This is an abbreviation for breaking and entering. So if you're ever watching a cop show of some kind and they say be any. That's what they're talking about. They're not caught talking about breakfast elephants. They're talking about breaking and entering next. We have bandeau. This is a French word. B. A. N. d. a. You It is a noun from seventeen o six one a fillet or band especially for the hair but in this case it might not actually be fillet. It might be it. I think I've heard the word fill it before. And maybe in the last episode or two I think I said fillet and it. Also May have been fill it It's spelled F. I. L. L. E. T. I think fillet might just have one L. Anyway number two. We have these synonym Is this just the Board Brassiere? Or is it's pronounced differently brassier B. R. A. S. S. I. E. E. R. E. Also a band shaped covering for the breasts so yes brassiere. Which of course we shorten how to Bra next. We have the word banded. It is an adjective from seventeen. Eighty seven having or marked with bands. Next we have bender RIA. This look Spanish yet. It Spanish B. A. N. D. E. R. I L. L. A. Bend area. It is a noun from seventeen. Eighty nine a decorated barbed dart. That the bender re gyro. That's our next word. Bender gyro thrusts into the neck or shoulders of the bull in a bullfight. I'M NOT GONNA get into my thoughts about bullfighting but I never knew A that's what that was called and be that's what The person in the bullring was called a bender gyro and they put a bender rea- dart into the bull. Not Nice for the bull. I don't think they appreciate it. They get very bloody and injured and then I think they killed them. This is Spanish. It is a diminutive of Bandera which means banner Probably from the old oxygen Word Bandera. Next we have Monday. Bah this the word. I just said why you can't say Bunder Gyro. It is a noun from seventeen eighty nine. A person who thrusts independently us in a bullfight as we just mentioned next we have bender roll. It is a noun from fifteen sixty to one a long narrow forks flag or streamer number. Two a long scroll bearing an inscription or a device Let's see we are going to skip the etymology? We are going to now. Read the last word for this episode. It is bandicoot B. A. N. D. I. C. O. Ot it is a noun from eighteen. Thirteen one any of several very large rats of southern Asia destructive to crops number to any of various small chiefly insect devaux insectivores insect terrorists and arbib risk marsupial mammals That of Australia Tasmania and New Guinea. Let's see the scientific genera for the very large rats. In the number one definition are bendix Ta and Naso Kia and then the family name in the number two definition is Para Melody. Paramilitary died Or the Family Perot. Orissa die something like that. Let's see this. The atom algae is at two Luga word Pandit Kuku PANICO COU There is a picture of the number two definition of bandicoot So it's the small chiefly insect terrorists and herbivores Marsupial Mammal And it looks very cute I wonder how differently the large rats in southern Asia? Look to these other ones. I would assume they're similar You know during like the Peggy at time when there were very small mammals They probably were one species. And then as the country's and landmasses broke apart they evolved to become Different that's my guess anyway. I don't think I realized these were actual animals. I remember I never really played it. But there's the Nintendo game crash bandicoot So I guess he's a bandicoot but is he the Southern Asian or is he the one from Australia. Tasmania New Guinea. I don't know maybe they never decided All right what is going to be the word of the episode but Well I don't know I I I'm GonNa pick a Bandanna as the word of the episode because I had no idea what the etymology was I never really thought about it but I think that analogy was pretty interesting. So thank you very very much for listening to me Yemen. About some words we just finished page ninety five and we are chugging along pretty well anyway. Thank you for listening and until next time. This is Spencer reading the dictionary goodbye.

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How enforceable is the White Houses deal with Mexico?

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

27:46 min | 1 year ago

How enforceable is the White Houses deal with Mexico?

"This. Marketplace podcast is brought to you by four x dot com committed to empower and helping traders seize opportunities in the foreign exchange markets. Learn more at four x dot com for dot com. It's your world trade it for trading involves significant risk of loss. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by indeed. Are you hiring with indeed? You can post job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started today and indeed dot com slash marketplace. That's indeed dot com slash marketplace. On the program today. Defense contracting, one oh one. Why you might wanna think about while way just a little bit more seriously. And we will take you out to the ball game from American public media. This is marketplace. In Los Angeles. I'm Carl result. His Monday today, the tenth of June. Good as always to have your long everybody one files the corporate news of the day. The all stock transaction merger of equals, it's being called joining the giant defense contractor, Raytheon with the giant, aerospace company, United Technologies forming the more giant, if not, especially imaginatively named Raytheon technologies, one files that transaction under the heading done. Have you seen the defense and aerospace businesses lately? If the deal does make it pass regulators, the one hundred billion dollar result would be the number two company in that space behind Boeing. So marketplace's Kimberly Adams gets going with some market based realities from Washington Raytheon and United Technologies say the mergers important for them to keep their balance in shifting markets. Doug gates is head of aerospace and defense for KPMG. They're looking at it in this. Acquisition to a long term view that this combined company will be able to ride the ups and downs of the markets Raytheon has a big defense contracting business. United Technologies is big in commercial aviation. If commercials slowing down, they've got large military my and vice versa. Another reason behind the merger the idea that bigger is better risen McCormick is a fellow at the center for strategic and international studies. The merger would create a company that would bribe Boeing and Lockheed as largest defense contractor continuing trend of consolidation that's been ongoing since the nineteen ninety s that consolidation worries President Trump. He expressed concern this morning that too much consolidation in the defense industry may raise prices for the US military and by extension taxpayers. But Gerry McGinn executive director of the center for government contracting says this merger is unlikely to face a lot of pushback from federal. Regulators because there's not a tremendous amount of overlap between these two companies in terms of the markets. They operate it, but government regulators do have to approve the final deal among them the combined company's biggest customer, the department of defense in Washington, I'm Kimberly Adams for marketplace. There are as of this airing no new tariffs on Mexican imports to this economy despite a week or two of presidential threats of same. But the White House has now firmly linked immigration and trade policy so marketplaces into Euler looked into what happens. Next migrants are leaving. Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador to escape violent gangs, and cartels that control most of the northern triangle economy as part of the US, Mexico agreement to avoid tariffs. Mexico is supposed to do a couple of things control Central American migration. Gordon Hanson teaches economics the university of California San Diego that Mexico plays a role in detaining these individuals as they await the Judy. Location of their asylum. Requests, the harder part is Mexico playing a role in actually stopping the flow of migrants into the country migrants crossing the southern border with Guatemala into Mexico. He says enforcement measures only treat the symptoms. What we need is a much more systematic approach to deal with this intrinsic problem of domestic insecurity associated with the presence of major criminal organizations and new amount of military, or police enforcement in Mexico can effectively counter the deep economic and social problems that are driving people to leave. Chris Wilson at the Woodrow Wilson centers, Mexico institute says Mexico's resources are already strapped dealing with overcrowded detention centers. This is hugely difficult for them to manage their are essentially migrants in the streets in these communities. President Trump says he won't hesitate to renew his tariff plan if he thinks Mexico doesn't succeed in curbing Central American migration. But economist rape Harriman in Waco, Texas, says. Economic damage is being done right now. We've been told here we're still on the table. They come back again. That seems very bad message to the investment community, people looking to hire or expand it says things are really uncertain down here. You may not want to do anything. Mexico's foreign minister said today that the agreement to avoid tariffs gives his country more time to show. It can reduce the flow of Central American migrants. I made Euler for marketplace. Wall Street on this Monday a fine start to the week. Thank you very much. We'll have the details. When we do the numbers. There's a non unreasonable question to be asked about all the coverage that we and others have been doing about the Chinese technology conglomerate while way. And that question goes like this. What's it to me? I mean, I'm pretty diligent, cybersecurity wise, how much a threat can one company be. Well hallway is more than just telecommunications company. It's in phones and networks and the internet and the cloud, and with reach like that, while ways pretty hard to avoid now new cyber security report calls that company, a global cyber risk. Marketplace's got tongue has been visiting while way headquarters in southern China the past couple of days. Here is his first report on hallway, and you, it's clear, there are two opposite narratives on while way back in the states, it's cyber risk of Chinese intelligence infiltrating, this Chinese company, even if you don't realize it, you pull out your phone. Maybe it's a Samsung or an apple catch up on your podcast. I like American history. Tellers. And no. While way here. Right. Chinese company doesn't make your smartphone. It's not in your network your unaffected. But wait that Email, you just fired off to a business contact in Asia. Think about how it got there. Your Email is data that travel in tiny bundles, or packets says Priscilla more you Chee, formerly of the national security agency. Now, she's with the cybersecurity firm recorded future, the path that your packets might take from, you know, saying my phone in Boston, Massachusetts to a call leagues laptop in say South Korea, we are very likely transiting, while way owner manufactured infrastructure in her report, more Yuji fines, hallway everywhere, in the world's digital plumbing. It makes everything from the very personal device level to the network level while we also produces, routers, and switches things to run both cellular networks, but also, you know, regular internet access, and it's in cloud computing, and digital surveillance outside the US it dominates wireless, telecom gear, and it sells more phones than apple. The closest American company is. Will she can't think of one it's more than some of these companies that we sort of traditionally associate with the western tech industry like Facebook or Microsoft, or apple this is far more scope and more data than even those companies could really have access to data like your medical info, your Bank account passwords, your company secrets info that while we could transfer or store or hack which brings us to the China narrative. Hallway based in the Chinese tech capital of Shenzhen hosted some American reporters last week, giving a tour of its distinctly, European themed campus and it give technical chalk on cyber issues company spokesman Joe Kelly says the US has never found always smoking gun, at least in public in thirty two years of business. There's never been any evidence that we will. If you've got a love to hear, but I haven't met a journalist and I know many who've got any evidence on campus. Several workers spoke with pride about bringing affordable smartphone service to one hundred seventy countries and how the company was inspired by the likes of belle-anse in IBM, yet, says executive director David Wong while we finds itself a political target only Dala. We saw how a US president could lie repeatedly and how the US government could attack a private company that long, worshipped American private industry for those. Who worry about while we they say, the company is so ubiquitous that it may be too. Tempting for Beijing to tap wa wires listen in or even hack US infrastructure, computer science, professor nNcholas Weaver teaches at UC Berkeley. You have to assume that the Chinese government will be no nicer than the US government has been in terms of espionage nest the risk today, according to Priscilla more UT, the former NSA analyst, as for tomorrow, she worries about a new vulnerability the next generation of wireless five G will connect, not just us. But our machines, we will have everything from refrigerators, to baby monitors to autonomous vehicles and all these devices communicating without the security protocols could be catastrophic. Whether while way is a risk there. It's clear. This giant company is still growing. It assigned more than forty contracts to bring five G around. The world in Shenzhen southern China. I'm Scott Tong for marketplace. We've got some facts and figures while way in context, if you will that marketplace dot org. Sports roundup today. Goes like this. There's the women's World Cup now through the beginning of July. There's a possibly decisive game five in the NBA finals tonight. The Stanley Cup game seven on Wednesday, then there's baseball Yankees met. Yankee stadium. Tonight. Rangers at Fenway against the Red Sox. Dodgers angels at angel stadium in those routes. Couple point being baseball is kind of always there, but in the background. Sometimes next time you're watching a game though, it's worth taking a second to notice the places those games are being played pogo burger was the longtime architecture critic for the New Yorker magazine. He's got a new book out about some of those baseball stadiums. It is called ballpark, Paul. Thanks for coming in studio. Nice to be here. Thank you. We should say, first of all, this is not a as you point out in the book. It's not an encyclopedia of all the ballparks in America and the world. Definitely not. No, no. It's not a guidebook at some some different altogether. Well, okay. I was gonna say I was gonna tell you what, I think it is. But, you know you tell me what you think. Well, it's a book about baseball parks, as American public space, really and have a history of ballparks in the history of American cities are kind of deeply intertwined and the, the root of that intertwined Ness if I can coin a phrase is the part of the word in the title of this book park, it's a little park is a little garden space. It's a little greenery in the middle of what are often really dense urban environment. Absolutely Twi baseball parks. Very different from any other kind of athletic facility. Really baseball is technically played in both infinite time and infinite space. No only the diamond is exactly prescribed. The outfield is, is it is what it is. And in fact, the eccentricity and idiosyncrasy of ballparks was part of the nature of baseball as it grew up, take us to the point where cities and ballpark, sorta came to be one came to be conjoined. Well, it really goes back to the beginning of baseball which despite the myth of. Cooperstown and field of dreams is as much an urban sport as a rural one people started playing baseball on the edges of cities and open space, and then more and more people were interested, and they started charging people to come in and watch people play baseball and thus the baseball park was born not to jump too far ahead in history, but there's Fenway there's tiger stadium. There's also Wrigley field. Yes. There is on the cover of the book. It is the I know it's on the cover of the book, but I, I wanna pull up a quote by Mr. Wrigley himself who said baseball is too much of a sport to be business in too much of a business to be a sport. Somehow these men, and they were all men found a way to make it work. Yes, absolutely to the tune of today, billions and billions of dollars. Right. Well Wrigley, though, had had a really interesting take on it. Which is that he did not invest very much in his team itself, was, maybe not so smart. I took a long time before the cubs were doing doing. Very well. He his whole idea was that, if you give the people a pleasant place to go out on an afternoon. They'll come and they care more about that than about whether the team wins or loses. I don't think that was really true, but the give the people a pleasant place to come part. Certainly was true in right? And I think it's one of the reasons Wrigley field is so beloved this is a little bit sideways but Wrigley field. Yankee Stadium right. Dodger Stadium here in town. You got no it's, it's certainly the younger by decades of the fields. I've mentioned so far. They have become points of civic pride. Absolutely. Oh, tennis day. Yes. Which is why happily, they still have their names and the names that are for sale to the latest corporate bidder. You know, whatever, whatever one can say about the, the Yankees at least they didn't sell the name of the place. I, I should tell you disclosure here. I grew up a Yankee fan, so okay, there's still a good thing still although not for nothing the new Yankee Stadium. If I could just take a cure you. Yes. Your towards your new ish. Right. Right. I for my money it has no soul. It has. No. So I don't love it either. Although I think in the end, it's a pleasant place to go to a game in Yankee Stadium had been because the old Yankee Stadium was really gone. It was destroyed in a terrible renovations, seventy. I remember when I was a kid if it had been kept, I would have had a very different opinion about whether it new Yankee Stadium should have been built at all. But since it was really gone anyway. And turned into one of the worst concrete relics of the seventies, I figured we might as well start over. So they did. All right. So I'm mixing my decades. You're about Camden Yards because Camden Yards. So we went from the Wrigley's in the Fenway. Right. Right. And then we went to the fifties and sixties where you had the enclosed stadiums, and the concrete and all this. Right. And then in nineteen Ninety-two along comes Camden Yards, which was a revelation total. Revolution baseball. The only thing that's changed, one hundred and eighty degrees because of one place and that was Camden Yards in Baltimore where the. Management of the Orioles in the late eighties said they wanted something that had the feeling of an old time ballpark. The formula has been replicated in a couple of cases, I think even improved on and built on, I think Pittsburgh is fantastic actually, and even better PNC party, San Francisco, I think, is really wonderful though, what's now called oracle. They've actually been quite a few that have actually I think taken the Camden Yards model and gone, even farther with it and done things even better, and very unique to their cities. So next time I'm in Dodger Stadium. Is a mile from here. Right. Which, I love by the way, I'm and it's there's nothing like you know, seven tenths started Dodger Stadium Dodger Stadium is one of the greatest places. There is to go to a ball game. It's maybe the worst place to get in a into and go out of. But once you're in your seat, it is, I think pure absolute pleasure. So what should I as Joe baseball fan and mildly interested in architecture, which might be looking for? Well, you look for that really wonderful kind of nice geometric nineteen sixty five minute has actually almost a little bit of a kind of Disney Tomorrowland vibe to it. That's very nice. And in fact, they were influenced by Disneyland, which was only five years old when, when this was going on a baseball park, really should feel like it's in that place in that place alone. When you're in Pittsburgh, you see the bridges, and the skyline when you hear Dodger Stadium you see the mountains toward Pasadena. I love that. That's one of the things that makes being in a ballpark. So special ballpark, is the book by Paul Goldberger. It's thank you. Thanks for having me. Coming up, I go to school. I do my homework, I go to work, and then I sleep for, you know, six hours. So I'm tired all the time the actual cost of graduating from college debt free, but I do the numbers. The Dow industrials up seventy eight points today three tenths percent, twenty six thousand and sixty two neatly dramatic there. The NASDAQ up eighty one point one percent seventy eight twenty three s and p five hundred thirteen points to the good four tenths percent, twenty eight and eighty six Raytheon and United Technologies we told you about Raytheon up six tenths percent. United Technologies slipped three point three percent elsewhere in that sector. The biggie Boeing was pretty much flat the other big deal. And deals today Salesforce, the cloud based software company will acquire data from Tableau software for almost sixteen billion dollar sales forces stumbled five point two percent. 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Amazon has something new for the less than completely credit worthy consumers out there, something called Amazon credit builder secured credit cards for prime members who don't have sufficient credit to qualify for traditional cards, people put a deposit down as collateral and then get a car that potentially helps them build their credit. Nice idea, but does it work? Marketplace's Megan McCarthy Carino has that one about ten percent of Americans have low credit scores and about forty five million don't have a credit history at all. That could make like really difficult says Jose key known as the founder of mission asset fund, a same Cisco nonprofit that helps low income people with financial services, and with other credit report, you know, it's impossible to do anything in some states can't even get a job. That's why he's organization often works with clients to get a secured credit card. But they do have some problems to cure credit cards tend to be pressure than unsecured cards. Larry Santo is a research, fellow. At the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia where he has studied the effectiveness of these products. He found secured cards more often require an annual fee with the average being twenty five dollars a year. They also have higher annual percentage rates than the average credit card upwards of twenty five percent. But in his study, he found the cards did help about a third of account holders improve their credit scores enough to qualify for a regular credit card what the industry calls graduation what we've seen is that. Graduation rates have increased in recent years while the time required to graduate has really decreased considerably, but secured cards still make up less than five percent of new credit accounts, and those who need them the most face some hurdles, even getting them according to Dera do gay with the nonprofit credit builders alliance. One of the biggest barriers to obtaining a secured credit card is the actual security deposit, she'd like to see more services offered the option to pay the deposit in installments instead of one lump sum. I'm Megan McCarthy Carino for marketplace. Good news and bad news for the college class at two thousand nineteen you are done for now if you choose with higher end. That's the good news. The bad news is that if you borrowed money to pay for that degree you're going to have to start thinking about paint it back real soon, the average student borrower graduates from public university, owing about twenty seven thousand dollars. Well over thirty thousand from private one, but there are ways to get through school without debt for lower income students in particular as marketplace's Mitchell. Hartman reports. Portland state university's twenty six thousand students attend classes in a dense downtown neighborhood, a streetcar runs through the main quad. There's an urban mall. Where students hang out with Starbucks of an Jerry's the clients of places twenty two year old undergrad, Emily. Hodgson doesn't stop into very often. She doesn't have the time or the money, I go to school. I do my homework, I go to work, and then I sleep for, you know, six hours. So I'm tired all the time. Hutchison didn't go right to college after high school. Her mother had developed serious health problems, which sapped the family's finances, and my dad made over one hundred thousand dollars a year, but suddenly because of all these hospital expenses by had take care of myself and find jobs on my own. I told myself, I'm, I'm never going to go to college because I can't afford that. But three years after graduating high school, she is enrolled majoring in Japanese performing. Her chorus classes year end concert. Crunch is able to afford college through a new Portland state university program that offers four years tuition free. It's for Oregon students who do well in high school and have less than fifty thousand a year in family income. Hodgson's parents, haven't supported her financially for years. She had to demonstrate her hardship to university officials. I had my priest sent a letter. A police officer who actually like knew about my mom because she has had nine one, one calls. I had all these people who had like official stamps and letters to get the four years free program. It covers her tuition and fees. That's ninety one hundred a year, but they're still transportation books room and board. She lives with her two older siblings in the suburbs. My brother and sister aren't gonna take care of me while they take care of me, but not financially as much. So I pay about seven hundred dollars a month for rent, and then after by my own food clothes, and so I need a part time job to make that. Work during the school year. She worked nights and weekends at a sushi bar Hodgson is eligible to borrow up to fourteen thousand a year in student loans, but she really doesn't want to. She sees what college debt has done to her brother and sister? They're startling to buy a house and pretty much live and independent life because they're still paying off the student loans, Hudson's classmate. Deborah west light is also trying to support herself and not take student loans. She attended community college to earn course credits and save money before transferring to Portland state. She works part time, teaching acrobatics classes to young children. I am responsible for buying my own food and clothes and things like that. She lives with her mother and contributes to the mortgage and utilities like her friend, Emily Hodgson, west light doesn't have to worry about tuition and fees. But for a different reason. Nine college education is being paid for entirely by my grandfather Whistler grandparents were. Uh-huh. Class academics who the moment I was born opened a five twenty nine savings account for me. How does that land for you that family intergenerational money is available to you? I don't tell people it's not necessarily a shameful thing. But even though my parents are not rich at all. It feels almost dirty that I don't have this big stressor in my life that most of my friends do west late and Hodgson are scrimping and saving to get through college debt free. That would give them a financial headstart over the two-thirds of graduates, who do take out, loans and will hit the job market with an average of thirty thousand dollars in debt to pay back. I'm Mitchell Hartman for marketplace. This final note on the way out today. I'm sure you've heard about President Trump's interview this morning on CNBC where he said while criticizing the Federal Reserve for its interest rate policies. 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So good in NBA Two K., it broke the game or the time when you know what you should just listen subscribe to Wildwood Tech for free on apple podcasts spotify or whatever you get your poke costs. Want to. Hey guys. Welcome again to another episode of the cheats. Today, we have a fantastic power pack WANNA take too much time at the top of the show because I've got a huge show. Today, we're talking to our friend Eddie pence fantastic He's on the Ralph reports the routh garments show. He's amazing. Does a podcast or a radio DOT com show called SWINGS AND MISSES MR S. with the husband White Team agend Sturdier and her husband who A. Decker play baseball and played major league baseball fantastic part of that, and he's got a new comedy special. Then later on the show, I talked to a fantastic woman. Janet Marie Smith who involved in Ballpark designed was part of an really one of the spearhead of the architecture bureau head designers of the architecture for a camden yards, which incidentally like totally revamped that area of Baltimore in the Warehouse District and Change The way new stadiums are built as kind of started the trend of going back to like old timey stadiums here why that was and what was the thought process? It's fascinating. So that's later on the show, but I? WanNa talk about basically the phenomenon that's happening potentially in college football that could really affect the season in many ways the new schedule came out for the big ten. So many things are happening such a fluid scituate you say to yourself look at baseball you look at just how these players they're adults who understand getting paid money and they're still screwing up they're still going to casinos the cart. We'll talk about that. Later you know several cardinals radical see now you got the NBA that's playing in a bubble and Lou Williams who goes home for a funeral Atlanta of a friend still goes to a strip club because you're doing this. If I day don't understand. Then he got college athletes who are not getting paid anything who are living on a college campus where parties are happening at houses all around them and football teams have sixty players on the hundred players, Chow and from the taxi squad and whatnot. How are you going to contain that I don't know how that's going to happen with no bubble so what you're so what's happening is you're starting to see some of the star players. The best players know they're going to be I rebel players. Who are on teams that aren't going to be vying for the College Football playoff. So I take a team like Minnesota, Reshad Bateman, who's the was arguably all American receiver. The best receiver on Minnesota was their number two option last year he was gonNA be the number one option this year and they already had they have a great quarterback. So you think this kid is going to be super productive this year and maybe one of if not the top receiver off the board. Okay. He says I'm opting out for the. Work NBA are my NFL my NFL career I'm going to work on training for the NFL draft. That's what I'm. GonNa. Do GonNa do it in private so that I can remain healthy. There aren't any issues I'm looking to my future. So into mirroring, what hat what's been happening the last couple of years as far as bowl games are concern if you're not going to the National Championship game or are the playoff or the playoff to BCS playoff whether is no. But the playoff what's happening is players are opting out of the bowl game. So players that have a chance because look what happened a few years ago to Michigan. Tight end jake buddies playing in the ball game and he or aren't article any basically cares ACL MC L. and yesterday. Yes. To sit out of your meaning, it might have hurt his draft status as ability to make money player. See that they themselves. Why would I put myself through that when the draft is three months later and? I WANNA have a career in the NFL. So the best of the best players on great teams, it's changing the dynamics of teams, Penn State Michael Parsons, who's perhaps one of the best best defender probably in the big ten again in all American linebacker he's now saying he's GonNa sit out the season are there reports to these saying he's always we're gonNA start a younger kid teams. The complexions of teams are going to change based on how safe these kids think they can be, and so it is. You're. GonNa see a way worse product on the field and and I think that is going to is going to change the dynamics of college football and it's also going to say, are we watching in actual college football season just in exhibition or something that approximates a college football season and how can we qualify these results in how can we determine a college football playoff? When none of the there will be no interleague play games it's all gonna be the eye test will take the winner of these conferences and we'll put him against each other. Is that really? The College playoff are those the best four teams you know I heard an interesting thing thrown forward by John Jansen who will have on Jim Rome show which will be hosting today as well. He basically said now is the year to expand the college playoff to eight to eighteen. That's right because we won't have teams playing each other. This is a bizarre your I think what we have to do as recalibrate what we expect this college football season to be, and perhaps even the NFL season you got all kinds of guys sitting out on the Patriots and Some people are claiming the Patriots are trying to take it so that they can get the next grade quarterback next year you know we don't know what teams attitudes are towards this bizarre exhibition of a season is going to be and as a fan that affects how you root for teams. Yep. How are we going to invest in our team this year if we know that six out of the seven best players are just GonNa opt out and it basically is a situation that mirrors the way our country is dealing with the pandemic right now at begs the. Question will get into it with Eddie, pence after the break right now it begs the question did we reopen too early? Are we pushing sports on ourselves too early we get into all that and much more with great Eddie Pants right after this break, and then later on the show Janet Marie Smith Talk About Architecture and ballparks, and how the Ballpark's themselves shape our fan experience this from the cheap seats in very cool episode guest host Jim Rome show today. So if you get this before that was on check that out check us out there twelve three and then Next Wednesday we're doing it again, but we'll be right back with any pants stay with us. Welcome back to the show. So excited to have this guy on. Because it is rare when you have comics who understand sports, we've found the scant few that totally. And this next gentleman he's fantastic around on the Ralph, report? Got A new special out They shot back in DC we're. GonNa get into all of it with our guest Eddie pence how you doing buddy. Good. Thanks for having me on. Thank you for being here. You have such a calm way about you feel like you're great element to that you bring calm his garment. You're like. Good. I like that. He's a little volatile and I and I I know how to push buttons a little bit I. Love it because the calmer you get the more crazy he gets. You know. Go ahead. That's why he I think. He originally brought me on for that reason because I think people wanted to see that side of him and he wasn't getting that when he was just doing a show by himself. So he sort of like needed somebody to come in. For him, it'd be the foil I guess layoff. Yeah. I mean it's a very deft as you know being a part of the team, the lake you kind have to do a lot of nonverbal stuff and kind of. Deal where he's going and know that he's GonNa. Miss. But it's good. You do a great job on it. So we are were fan. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And again, we talked about just it is rare that comedian certain comedians comedians were like bullied by athletes in high school and so that like for a kiss never wanna even like did just the thought of it, which I I completely understand i. think that's totally think but there's a whole world in sports. That is hysterical. The idea that like young kids just become like billionaires on the spot an have no life skills whatsoever and their Passi right round that in just their everyone has blind spots. It's hilarious. So. That's the world that I think we can make. Then you have you know, and then you have a world imposing its will on the world that we all know specifically let's get into because we were joking you know in the intro before we're talking to on the show about your sports affiliations, we talk about. The Washington football. Team. Is a little bit of insult to other teams that play football I mean, let's there's Thirty to the thirty one other teams out there. That's sort of you know gimmick infringement right giving him trends in and I would say you've watched. Recently I don't know if you could call what they do actually full, but it's it's barely football. It's barely football. Will you childishly out the child of the eighties? So I have fond memories of that club being a functional organization and winning Games It's been a rough thirty years since. They were the hogs, they are the Ha John Regan you get a call from the president FDA in it's a local call I mean and. I was I. was I was at the eighty seven a super bowl parade in. DC, with Doug Williams like I was I was in that video i. mean like I have. Weight you're in you can. Well, if you pause it and you see I know where I was standing in the crowd, I can't like I'm not next Doug Williams sanding next to Doug you're like I'm pouring. Into Doug Williams now. How about those Redskins team, you gotta white running back and a black quarterback. You know it was the role reversal that the was doug. Williams. The first black quarterback to win to win assists. He was. So that's significant and you'd think about the DC area you know there's a huge black population in the heart of the District of Columbia and they love team. I. That was a very big moment I remember for. Black people in this country to say look, we had a guy the quarterback has always thought of, is this like the cerebral person than people who would sort of rippon black quarterbacks and say, Hey, they can't lead a team. This guy was like, no I just showed you how you do it visit and destroyed by and destroy John. Elway who is could be the most cerebral. Although he look at elway today at his the owner of the broncos his teeth are getting bigger. He is starting to look at the Broncos logo I mean he's people they say they say when you get older your nose years keep growing for him. It's noses ears amnesty right. You'RE GONNA say they say when you Look like your pets and you know you. You start to look like the mascot. Does look like logo he does he. That that whole thing is the myth of the black quarterback not being as the white quarterback was debunked Jay Cutler I. Feel like that was the moment for. Me To gauge this paradigm dummies if you came up with this paradigm because I think Russell, Wilson is a genius and I think this guy's. it is kind of amazing to see where the game is going now, and this season will do even think we're GonNa get through a whole season. I. Don't know I mean the NBA and the NHL have handled it because they you know they did the bubble. And, we're seeing what a organization doesn't do a bubble is going through with MLB right now where You basically have a marlins be team plane right now they have a skits. Speed Skater, plant like. Florida, American speeds get. That's how far down the line we've gone. Crazy. It's seventeen players. It's insane and had that happen to the Yankees or the red SOx or the Lakers last dodgers you wouldn't have had. To call the season. It's amazing I don't think we're going to get through the NBC's and I think that it will shut down like in the next couple. Yeah. I, don't. And I don't see how we get through an NFL season. I really don't I mean. There's so many more players would they I? Mean you look at a guy like Aaron Donald who yesterday comes out and says I'm not wearing a mask I'm not wearing a face shield on my thing. Why are going get a whole whole team's going to get. I. Mean Baseball is essentially distance game to begin with Yup all you're literally on top of each other right and end if guys are deciding not to wear their like look if he's got it that I'm going to get it that's Aaron Donald Response and I'm like well, everyone in the trenches is GonNa get it every single person Huddle can't. If he's got it I'm GonNa get it does not like. And how? Did. That to me is Lisa. It's why sports. Funny. When you were talking about blind spots early I mean, that's what is these are millionaires in their early twenties seem invincible. Never had a serious health issue other than maybe a bad knee or elbow. Feel like they're immortal. I mean, the crazy thing is and I know I don't know if you look to sports to be somewhat of an escape I mean, like you have a kid, you have more than one kid. I just got the wise gone in the middle school this year. So you have one son who's of that? Is he into sports as well? Do you watch it with him? Not at all, I can't get him into it to say I. Got Him I've made them play baseball until he took a pitch into the. He was playing little league baseball up until he tried to p. I, got the Pitcher, threw it inside and instead of turning your shoulder to take the pitch, he actually opened up and tried to palm as it was coming at him. Hit him right in the chest. And, the the video I put on a per on twitter and it went viral had like eighteen, million, all my God. He's he was so happy because he went viral. Will. That's the most is a then he like football and he's okay but he's just not sports aren't. He's in cody and minecraft computers I mean he's got a brain. So yeah well, I mean even still though it's like that's the thing with sports like it comes as kids can play when they're little and then it comes a certain point time where it's like if you WanNa, keep playing you have. Yet to want to do it. Well, I notice that with him playing a little league baseball he was okay. Baseball player. But like I'm like when we were kids, we'd play baseball in the spring of football in the fall basketball, the winner soccer, and the something you played different sports, our kids play. Baseball kids don't play your own baseball they so far behind that you have like three or four kids. They can throw in the sixties when nine years old and they're gonNA take head off another kid who plays you know three months out of the year so you have to pull them out. Right to pull them out or move to a cold weather climate. That's right. Exactly exactly it's dangerous. It's dangerous. So it's so he's into that which find he can go minecraft and code and whatever you do. I'm sure sports for you is a release or a you know kind of an escape from the stuff that we're going through and whatnot I'll. Yeah. It was. As it did not just say it's crazy. I mean that was the good thing about having baseball back was it was kind of normal even though I mean we've been talking about this I do a sports show called swings and misses on radio DOT. com. We've been talking about this daily about how sports are the byproduct of a functional society and right now we're not a functional society. So it we we probably shouldn't be having sports, but as Americans, we don't like to be you know put out too much. So we've sort of forced our sports to come back way earlier than they should and now. We're seeing the result of trying to deal with sports and pandemic at the same time and it's not going. Well, we'll just like we forced to reopen too early like we didn't take the Mary steps. What's interesting is what happened with like College Sports College football I mean we're huge college football fans like you're starting to see a bunch of college athletes get together the PAC twelve, the big ten, the athletes are like a we want health protocols in place in Oh. By the way, we also want fifty percent of the profit like they're like we're GONNA go. Right because. You're go ahead go ahead. The whole thing with Colorado state that came out yesterday about the coaches trying to keep it under wraps like don't tell people you have it what that's insanity. And it's yeah. The you Never WanNa hear you know because this'll just be our little secret that Sandusky talk you know what I mean. Like nobody should ever say that a baffle. You, know and anything anything. Colorado's surprise party that should be. The only thing you keep a secret gender reveal party a surprise party like. That's it. No. But the idea that. The idea that you are going to by not saying anything about it or keeping a it's like the the exact wrong way to handle this and it doesn't surprise me to. Colorado. State is the school that. That town to me feels like a spouse or even though they university town. spouting all of those the bad parts of how you know like just inject yourself with bleach it's going to be fine. Yeah. Yeah. Just ignore it. It'll go away not how it works. It'll go away I. You know it's funny because the you know the way I liken it to is 'cause raining are both doing a diet right now we're both doing craig. That's right. Really, young going where your aunts. Where your mom's within. GOING GREAT I've Lost Sixteen pounds ran lost like seven or eight pounds in. We've been to have been doing longer than him but what's interesting about it and I find the analogy with sports is that You know we want to eat crappy food because it tastes good and it feels good in you know in your you. Yes. Last night I wanted eat a bag of chips because I was like tired and hungry and all this stuff. I want to eat a bag of pretzels I wanted to eat forty five Hershey's kisses we all want those things and that's like in it's in the cabinet us go grab it you can eat it but then you kill yourself With virus we all want the whole thing to reopen. We all want sports to be back right away. We Wanna be able to have our distractions in our lives. The way we had it we don't WanNa be inconvenience, but sometimes you gotta take the harder path to then live a longer life in that, right? And that is something that like look I understand the desire to want to have college football back in a few weeks raining I talked about the time I listen to podcasts about Michigan football I like gear up and get ready and if it doesn't come back I will be really sad and heartbroken, but I will understand that it's for the greater good. Exactly to move forward because our Michigan Pans, what you said yeah grew up in Saint Louis. W went. went to Michigan in so. Of. His in your blood you know in Indiana I'm hokey oh? Yeah. That was crazy sugarbowl like two thousand eleven right? Two, thousand, twelve, Michigan, versus yes. Yes. That was crazy crazy. They like to call back touchdown that the guy bobbled is he was coming out of balance in or maybe. Down I'm not sure I mean, are you of the mindset that frank beamer gleaned all of his power from his enormous goiter like his defense row is came from the giant thing on his neck and so like he if he removed it, it's like Chris Farley. lost weight. He wouldn't be funny anymore like if. Maybe, maybe he's not a defensive genius. He, had the brain a special teams coordinator inserted into his. And that's why they had such dominant special teams for so long I know if you put another if he had an office coordinator court coordinators brain in the another greater than we could have been a good team, we may have won a national championship in a defense. You had Michael Vick I mean beamer ball killed us. Yeah. Wasn't Michael, Vick GonNa. attack. To I, they lost the Florida State and national title game. The Chris Winky National Champions Yeah was at ninety. Nine. Ninety nine I think was thirty eight years old. He's older than you right now. Kit like he's the only guy on the podium with grown kids like thinking in the National Championship. Game. Championship. If he's like look Florida State's recruiting my son right now and I'm really Always wanted to play college ball with my kid. I dreamed big. Didn't baseball we're doing it here. Yeah it's also Chris Lanky just looked like a guy you're like, are you a college you I guess you is like when I watch Michael Caruso. Play for the Lakers. I'm wake is this Guy Basketball airline what my eyes are telling me something my brain doesn't WanNa believe every time unlike the giant headband that looks like a bandage like a head wound. When they put like a headband on a baby yet, they put it like in Garioch. Baby are am I? Only baking worse you're only making me believe that you're not an NBA. It's almost like. It's moves like that. You'd think I watched that like I guess I just don't know about the NBA I'm like the coaches no more than. Their Guy Out Like other guys on the bench that look way more like. This this guy does something and the game I don't know about that. He doesn't well and I just don't know what part of the game is. Right is there a stat that? Kinda. He knows when to call a timeout right? Is there an NBA stat that is akin to in baseball the whole? You know like Middle Relief Guy just liking comes off of eleven picks a game really well like his. Undetectable on takeaways on picking. Untouchable and I don't even know his first name is Mikel. Alex Russo. I don't sound like Michael I'm maybe it's Robinson crusoe have no idea. That I watched that guy and I'm like I don't understand the way Alex Cruz. Like Michael. Michael Caruso on CSI Miami. That's the that's. The sunglasses do David. David Caruso Michael Cruz out there he is on the data, Robinson? Casino. Okay. Anytime. I David Caruso laced up shoes make more sense than the Haluk scorers. If he's in. The NBA have you been watching some of this NBA bubble bubble aims because I've found them really exciting compelling. Yeah I've been watching the baseball and the the NBA and I started watching some NHL. It's it's interesting to watch the baseball stuff is I mean the basketball stuff has been like you said very compelling to watch I mean there's been some great games. It's great finishes. Yeah I. You know it's funny I on that Lakers clippers game. Was it nests reminded me how much of this season I love like that first game of the year when the Lakers played the Kloiber, it was the first game of the year and I'm watching this. This is first game of the restart known be in the in the regular old regular season in the first game of the restart. Yeah I just was like this is so fascinating that these two teams are good at the same time and and made me say, oh no one's GonNa be Lebron and Anthony. Davis nobody. If their bench plays. Okay. Then they're unbeatable. Yeah you just need. You just need like a good performance each game by one other guy like called Lopo. That's it or any grains or Danny Green has a good game makes like six three Pointer Danny Ilo has again EIA low has a good game. One of the Caruso Brothers winemakers rose the gaming. A. Young Guy who's like insane? Kouzmin, you can go off. He can have a fifteen point quarter when those other guys need like a a break and so yeah the Lakers just feel like Lebron finally has it's almost like if I if you do the Lebron Jordan comparison it's like what if Lebron are what if Jordan also had Tim Duncan at his in his this team you're like, oh, he would have never lost any like he had pippen and he had other guys who were good. He had all the role players that the Lakers have. But he he didn't have like the dominant go-to guy to finish off games to Anthony Davis and so I just don't. Have made this. Not He would not have. We'll be on this team right now bill Wennington wouldn't have been able to hold Michael Caruso head. How it is I mean it. It's more like Kobe Shak truthfully when you think about it because shack with. Big Man although Anthony Davis is just I. Watch that Clippers game the first reset game that came back in in Davis, hit to step back the res again, something shack would ever do and makes all of his free. Yeah, you know what I mean. He makes like eighty percent of his free throws so. You know all he has to do is draw contact and you're like those points. That's points. Yeah. I mean Anthony Davis is prime and Lebron is you could say still in his prime, even though he's been playing for seventeen years when check Kobe play together, Kobe hadn't hit his prime yet still ascending. Shack was the MVP of those finals. It wasn't Koby I. Mean I it. And Lebron. Okay. So the the time off has really allowed Lebron the brain that is body needed. So he can come back and just do this real concerted effort and and win it all. If he wins this year I mean by the way no one takes away. The Tim Duncan Year where the strike short year you're just like well tim down or they play fifty games that year. Yeah. Analysis like love Tim Dunkin's got four and a half champion. No, he's got. Right or three hundred account. Yeah. I think he's got five Tim Duncan I think does your five same as Kobe? Yes Kobe. Tim Duncan take five changes any stayed through his senior year of college. About Think about that. He stayed all the way through college went to wake forest was everywhere and then he stayed all the way through and then he got five championships. Yeah I mean it's just you just won't see that liner wanted to do. Yeah. That's true. Championship five NBA Championships Leonard On. Nobody get the idea that you know. Lebron could. If they win this year, it's GonNa Count I mean, it's you're not gonNA. Just. Played almost a practically a full NBA season before it had out same with the NHL, they both played basically their whole sees right. So if if Lebron, let's think Lebron Scott with Anthony Davis is got maybe one or two more left in him. Maybe three even championships. If he does win three wind up with five, any went to thirteen I mean, there's just no, there's no comparison I I personally think he's the best of all. Let. Let alone what he did with Cleveland that one year. They won I. Mean I don't know what any other player. In the last thirty or forty years, Jordan including could've taken that Cleveland Team NBA Finals I mean to beat that Golden State team like. Gold state team, right. So that's to me. You know even just getting to the finals is one thing, but then to beat that team. So Lebron to be able to get JR Smith to wear. Shirt. I mean the way I mean Jordan couldn't control Rodman at all Robin number words. That's what was so great about the last dance which I didn't know. You know like Robbins like he's Joe Jackson is like he'll come back. You'd like Willie. Outdoor. Cat. He'll be back. With some food out, he'll be back. Rodman is like Ted up outdoor cat. That's exactly what he is. Let's. Let's take a break. When we come back through some quick hit stories that we've got the want to go through with you that I'm sure you may have covered on your other. Hits and Mrs Smith Wings. Swings, and misses swings and misses M. R. S. period. I deal with a husband and wife cody. Decker is a former baseball player has wife saw gesture yes. That's right. John. Sturgeon surgers she moved. Briefly, she did some Fanta all right will be. We'll be right back very excited. We get any pen stay with us. 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The beginning of planet of the Apes. Yeah. At the beginning of Manitoba. Literally. What's happening right now giving them screwdrivers is like giving them fire like some not only. You. Also GonNA fix your crock and use it right in charge you for. A. It's insane and your new special tell don't know how they can I. Got the on Special. Action Comedy Special Back in DC my hometown. It's now available for preorder on apple on I tunes. It comes out September first and I will be available on all transactional platforms Google play direct TV apple stop so it'll be September I. Love it it look for that are let's get into some quick hits This is story from last week, but we want to cover it a beginning of this this week. Tom Brady. Tom Brady does not like to be bested and we love Tom Brady as Michigan Fans I. Love the Guy He is the goat. The way you have to know about him is like this we're not. Losing any way shape or any in any platform like this is a guy that couldn't admit plated the ball to low. Internet like and by the way. It's not even a Jordan Lebron discussion about Brady Brady and maybe Brad Johnson and Trout Trent dilfer and everyone else I'm kidding of course It's just like grady and then he'd be Jamarcus Russell and everyone out. It's Brady. Brady and then Montana and maybe away and you can't really say. So he is so far the king all he has to do is just say look. Look, at the record guy's. He laughed everybody like twice he lapped everyone twice and there's no question like maybe Pat Mahomes somehow pulls off like two or three more super bowls in the next five years you like. All right. That's a guy he might catch. He might catch lake you'll see like Tom Brady and the same way that like Jack Nicklaus like went out and won all those like like you see how hard it is for tiger, to sorta get over the edge and sort of move forward in pass. Jack Nicklaus it's like you the shit's No I'm just saying he should have. You shouldn't shouldn't lost twice. He should have at least eight super bowls I mean it's amazing. But evil ally losses were those were Derek devastating. Team in your region, it's New York your rival. It's high that team that wasn't this you when you were undefeated all this. It's brutal and and so playing off that you've got I'm glad you brought that up straight hand I. Guess he wished he posted a birthday message to Tom Brady and it was really just a picture of when they beat him. And the undefeated year and he's like just flexing aw knees to winch like, why are you doing that to Tom Brady just wish him a happy birthday because you know he's You know he's not just going to be like ha ha very good one good one. Mike. noggin say he claps. Back. Totally. clapback. You're right. He wrote. Thanks. Thanks I guess we'll have to run it back on a football field where I still go to work every day. Oh. SNAP. Oh Oh. Oh. Man. So, he's His clapback gave us so strong. It really is but like you also are saying, do you need to do this? You know what I mean like out since he doesn't you're figuring out like running routes with Mike. Evans. And he's trying to deal with Kelly RIPA's attitude. You know what I mean. It's like you've already beaten. You're winning like Michael Strahan to sit there and listen to how Kelly Ripa sleep training her kids and it's like. You. Can Lose for several rings and still have more than him. I mean. That's it that that you say, no more. And Look Michael Strahan is fantastic and Michael Straight I I. Love Him. We met him and he was like a nicer guy, a cooler nicer guy. You will not be right well like why poke bad dude. You know what I mean starting in surprise break after the gap in his teeth. Drove right through it. I let's move onto this one I seven players six staff members within the cardinals organization tested positive for our beloved Saint Louis Cardinals. Baseball. Now, according to Jordan Bassett, MLB, DOT COM, they know. So they're basically having to take the week off and then reason that they may have gotten covid I say to myself and again I'm sure you say this to. Where are they getting it? If you're in the clubhouse and you're being constantly tested in, you're not really going if you care about it and you're just going to the ballpark and just staying at home and testing your family and all that stuff where are they getting cove for it? Well apparently, a group of them or Wet to a casino. You're going to get syphilis. You'RE GONNA. GET CLA media. It's like the Koala bears. That's not a good day a Good Jianguo Casino right? You'RE GONNA get lung cancer on a good day. Thank God. To wear gloves to handle, thank their chips that are being handled by other people their cards. Handle by other people there are you're pulling down or pressing buttons and stuffs. It's insane MLB Players Association did not institute some sort of of penalties are guidelines. Everything was just suggested. Always we highly frowned upon you. Know, you have to penalize people because he like you said, we talking about you're talking about spots before these. These guys are eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old millionaires who've never had the never heard the word no in their life. And that's it. I'M NOT GONNA, go out and do what they do. Is there's no penalties for right and it's that feeling of you see those kids, the college kids on Spring Break, down in Florida there like if I get it, I get it because they feel like I'm young I'm not an old guy I'm young enough. But they don't understand that they're part of a larger thing and that's the it's almost like we as a league are a whole thing right now, like you you almost have to be nice to the Astros because they're part of. Just like we as a country, you're part of the world if they don't understand it's so so myopic it is. It really is only as only as smart as your dumbest person. I would say in a non pandemic time, I would tell the cardinals don't go to a casino, right? No, good can come. Right. It's almost like there's all. Online poker online poker, online poker online strip poker. It's a gamble why If he. Literally again why you're doing it. Let's get into this last story and I want to get your thoughts on this because I think it was so bizarre and to see what you think was really of nothing about it was normal and we're talking about the most abnormal times ever and yet. CESSPIT is managed to be even crazy in these times. So he just doesn't show up and he's not reachable like INA. Vince young kind of way like you're like wait where is. Is he out of his steakhouses you spending six thousand dollars at a Tgi Fridays like what is going on I? Spend he just he just bailed right Vincent spent three hundred thousand dollars at an applebee's for a birthday party for three hundred, thousand dollars you can. You can own an applebees. You can franchise your own applebee's for three Gran- right here in the neighborhood. So so yes. So Cessnas. So he's unreachable. He doesn't show up to the game and then through his agent they find out oh, he's opting out like what the hell what why why wouldn't you just call up and be like, Hey, man I thought about it and I'm out. So something else. Right well, he was kind of ticked off about money I. think they kind of he feels he should have been paid a lot more than what he ended up getting, right? There was some. Bad blood there money I. Think you're right about that but meanwhile, the dude has been paid many times over any any. Promising two, thousand fifteen, and he's Kinda just dropped down and had a lot of injuries and hasn't really completed. Season hasn't fulfilled who he he's like the mets you're like you know. There's a lot of potential bear, but you gotTA score some. Know what I mean you can't. You can't blank your own pitching staff and it is such an. Go ahead good. Guys, I think. I think he feels like he he you know that athletic arrogance of like I'm still a guy that I was and I should be paid what I paid. screwing me out of some money. So why even give you a phone call I'm out in the crazy thing is he went through all the training to get back. He was part of the team and like to then just disappear when you have this conversation at the very beginning because guys are opting out like players are completely opting out and this is how you ended up the mets. Didn't know he was opting out like they're playing I. Think the braves, right it's like one eighteen pm like during the game and they issued a statement that his whereabouts are unknown like they. You would not a good thing to the world that this guy's whereabouts are unknown. That's like what you say about your pro wrestler wrestler carts. No, he's the missing link. That's the only time. That's acceptable. Whereabouts Unknown Parts Unknown. It's just a bizarre thing in your life combine. How could you even mishandle this? You had an out everyone without you. Know Yes but nobody would have faulted Cessna this and this tells me he doesn't have anyone is camp who's telling him what to do or that something really crazy happened in. David. Know where he was covering it and they're covering it up. Like he was with set. Several dead hookers, and you're like we gotta cover the sovereign up. He's obviously chicken wings in Atlanta. ATLANTA. Louis and spot. That's what they should call the city, the magic city, and I think they should remain SPA. That's not. And do thank you so much. Eddie pence again follow you on. INSTAGRAM twitter and he. Met Eddie pence on all the social handles. 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Welcome back to the show as promised and you know in the final segment, the show we really liked to try not something different but come from a different angle in the world of sports in. This is so interesting to us as our friend at Ellington introduced us to this person you know my wife's a interior designer has worked with architects, and so that is part of the language of my house. the idea of architecture and stadium building especially in baseball I mean I really think it's a big deal and super interesting to dig into that. So we have one of the foremost people in that in that field with us today at Janet Marie Smith Welcome to the show how you doing. Good grounds on for having me. It's so nice and I was doing deep dive into. You know what you've done and I just want you to explain how you got into it and how it shows you in a weird way as well. Just how you found your way to helping to create a design right now, the more iconic stadiums that exist while you're right I've been lucky to work a really magical places from auriol, Park, Camden yards in Baltimore to. Turner field in Atlanta Benway Park in Boston. Now, dodger stadium in l. a. some stops in between as. Camden yards kind of kicked it off for everybody like I remember that. Being was that like it was the mid nineties what are we talking from to ninety two? So yeah. So I was still in college at that point and I just remember when that stadium was built. Everybody, that Ballpark was built, it just changed the way people looked at how new ballparks could be built because I grew up on Bush stadium, which I know would like the cookie cutter. Busch Stadium Three rivers stadium in Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati had their stadium to that were just these monolithic circular astroturf field stadiums in camden yards comes out and it's like Oh my God. This is links back to what baseball used to be. That was the goal of Larry Lucchino, who was the presidency I love the orioles he felt baseball should be played in small intimate orchid facilities. He had really studied in the eighties when this was on the drawing boards the two most popular baseball parks and they were the two smallest. Benway. Consistently. drew the largest crowds and so I think it was more than just nostalgia I. Think his thinking was look back that works for baseball. There is proof that fans prefer. Respective of what's happening on the plane be owed an environment where they build some intimacy with the game and we where we celebrate the fact that baseball's not like other sports that it does have varying dimensions to the outfield and buried dimensions to the bow territory net shakes the game it's not just the architecture. It's funny because a friend of ours who's a great comedian? Jeff Tate is his name has a fantastic bit about how precious baseball is with the stats seven, fourteen seven. Fifty five lead to get. So you can't do steroids because that will affect the way the numbers look end meanwhile, Fenway Park has a thirty foot wall that's a hundred yards. Literally. On hundred fifty feet away, and then like there's a hill in there used to be a hill at the Astros at minute maid park out in Centerfield, that caused guys to trip are. Liberally borrowed from Crossley field in Cincinnati. Out E. OH You're right when you say that his numbers, we all know that's bruce run record. On record eyebrow. Baseball bands, Abo all sports fan to some level but. It's Based on or I think baseball more than like I couldn't tell you how many yards Tom Brady has passing. That's just not a number that I or even how many points Michael Jordan scored in the NBA you just don't. You can't do baseball is different in that way I wonder do think that it's because it is so intertwined with the fabric of our nation certainly for the last hundred in twenty. To think of it that way but I think there's something to. The way we think of a baseball park is well I'm biased thinking about the physical facility but they are I think baseball is set to reflection of its particular community at every baseball park and the traditions in it whether they traditions that players have started with their traditions. Fans have Pichu with the way, the national anthem song or the way the especially boots in each car or Their their their mascot. There's just something it makes us feel that it's our own. Urban playground and we as a community all enjoy that and I think one thing about baseball is mother sports as the way baseball fans travel around the country going from Baseball Park to baseball park like it's a bad. So my bucket list. Almost. Never Hear Basketball Hockey football. Thought of the same way that the destination did is it different venues isn't It isn't an objective in of itself. That is an objective it's so funny. Do you think it's maybe because we spend more time in a baseball game that the games themselves are longer that you're basically saying I'm going to spend the whole afternoon on the spend the whole evening here. So the entire experience has to be considered when designing apart I think that's to today. I. Think it may be didn't start out that way but I can tell you that when we were working on camden yards. In. The early nineties. Knowing we were leaving very popular stadium in Memorial stadium for all of its deficiencies as a been new The Baltimore Orioles had won three world series there the. NFL football team the colts, which since move to Indianapolis complaining that the venue was terrible. Nonetheless had super bowl champions there. So so Vance had important memories if they hated to leave behind it really made it incumbent upon the design team up architects h Okay Joe. Sphere. Our our urban. Planners are TKO graphic design team, and asked to design that we that the whole building tell a story and we really challenged ourselves to think of how can we take advantage of this leisurely nine, nine innings and? You have eighty one home games and how can we have the building become something that gives fans something to talk about it ties back to the gay men. Now, ideas that we came up with were a scoreboard in the field of play similar Forbes field at had in Pittsburgh. But it showed all out of town scores at wants something today you get in your pocket on your I've been. If The flags on the right bill flag or every game day of the orioles have every year since in descending order standing out within the. By the flag who's on top of a sponsor sign on the main scoreboard, the local newspaper. The age in the or wired, to, be no ahead on era. The bird when Baynes are set up so that you get some sense of the sort of eddies swirling on the playing field so it wasn't decorated. Meant to be storytelling, admit to have some relatives to the game that made the game more interesting in May Give Abe you the Chitchat between bands that makes baseball bill like America's scored unlike the kind of communal. Townsquare, that it has evolved into. It's not even the stadium it's even the building outside of right field I mean the got like the the building that Iraq's that's kind of an old building that. Baltimore is that all being on our warehouse? Right so that like my guy. Ted Williams were to come to town in hit a home run that like over there and break the window alike won a free suit or something like you know you get stories late however, we were we both at the Maryland Stadium Authority who oversaw the construction or so concerned that we were going to wind up with broken windows that we spent a lot of extra money on the this bulletproof glass, and even though the the Ballpark is now been there twenty eight years break. Only it's ever been hit with Ken Griffey Junior. The second year is opened in nineteen, ninety three during the home run Derby and the all-star game. The warehouse of course we thought. Well, we've only been here a year and a hat now this. This happened and it hasn't. I don't think they planned on the orioles being as bad as they are so. You're on the visiting team to. That's right. That's right. They absolutely, right. Well, it's funny 'cause I live in Los Angeles and I've spent a lot of time at Chavez Ravine which you know I mean in in and of itself when you go back into the history of that area and how it was cleared out in there, there's a lot of controversy based on like the people that had to be relocated but. That aside, it is really a park initially that you'd think I don't know if this is certainly not as pretty or cool is Fenway Park Wrigley Field I've spent a Lotta time they're in a watching the Saint Louis Cardinals Fan. So that's where I grew up in Saint Louis I've spent a Lotta time at games there. I haven't grown to love that stadium so much the roofing. Element Design Element in the outfield's just the when you walk up, we usually parked outside the park and walk down the center field kind of that area. You really get a feeling of what it was like to be at this park in the nineteen sixties when they first moved out there watching Sandy Kovacs Vin scully's calling the game. It's like to me I can't even. It's it's. It's now one of the oldest states a third of the state's Berdahl artist in the major leagues, right behind Wrigley and Fenway Nineteen Sixty do address stadium open. So fifty eight years harm isn't. How it's the only baseball park that was built with this nineteen sixties century modern vernacular. So these Pastel colored seats and you referred to these old groups and the corrugated metal and the on concrete or just got is of personality in the fact that is carved into the hillside of Shabazz being just makes it all the more interesting because whether you enter. The top debt, our walk a hundred feet down to the Centerfield just described. You're still entering at grade with palm trees right there next to your ticket taker. So it's so unique in that respect and I just love the project that stand cast on the dodgers President CEO. Had US do this year? We can't wait to get fans in there but we. Took that Centerfield entrance that you've been out walking in without a lot of fanfare always many years and made it a real front door and put the sculpture Jackie Robinson mom arguing the most significant dodger ever. Don a uniform at the front door and create these pauses that are chock about full of specially food retail and his areas and. it's just a magical place in we were so happy to be able to have our ownership group in best another hundred million dollars into keeping it current. Yeah. Well, I love it and I'm sure you guys in keeping current don't want to take away the nineteen sixties mid-century charm of that place because it makes it unique. You know I mean in the eighties maybe it was looked down. Upon, because it was closer to that period of time in terms of what it was or it maybe not in the eighties. But certainly in the early nineties when the new ballparks camden yards were were coming to fruition but I really do think now it is one of the most bang your said ride at giving you just look at Los. Angeles in how in the last decade has celebrated. Mid Century modern architecture has become all over America Bet Los Angeles was that dino arguably one of its architectural hate as. That era and What are you? So respect the way our. Q., when Levin Associates handled that using some of the same materials with a corrugated metal painted law. So it's respectful Labatt Hall nut trying to pretend like it's also nineteen, sixty, two, I mean, it is cool like you could just do an outline of the corrugated roof that's it, and you can put L. A. Dodgers on people know what you're talking. Iconic right there just like you could just have the the right field of camden yards and see the building behind it. The outline of know exactly what you're talking about the IV on a wall that's Wrigley Field degree Mazar that it's great that they have these types of things because you know even even a newer stadium like Oracle in San Francisco. I went up there. My Jana went up there with two friends to watch the to Frederick huge giants fans who watched the cardinals play the giants in a playoff game during this years ago, and we got great seats. You're sitting down low just on the third base side of home plate and it was kind of. at San Francisco sort of a way in over the right field wall, there were seats because it drops into the cove right behind. But there was just like a line of men in people standing on basically on top of the wall there was a mist around it and it could have been nineteen ten where this guys lining up at the end of the fence are on top of the just watch just one line of people up there and it felt so timeless. I, was like that that to me was a slight of hand at the stadium was presenting that made us feel connected to an era gone pass, which is just amazing. Amazing price can do that or not. So very special park for that reason even in. So we kind of walked around the park and watch some of the game from way up top and when you're we were behind home plate but way up top and you'd look out into the bay, this gorgeous sweeping view, and that's literally accenting what's happening on the field. Again, it's the overall experience that right run Dodger Stadium Scott. Something no other park has in the view of the San Gabriel Mountains to the north and downtown skyline being at eye level from Badger Stadium to the south than I. think that's I. think that's one of the things. I. Really. Enjoyed about working in baseball as what it's meant for these parks to be such one with the city there and you know they of how you just described that it's really about the city that you're an How Baseball ten states sued reflects the spirit out whether it's Pittsburgh defender. Argues unreal. What they've done with that park is probably one of my favorite new parks to I've never been. I've never even been to Pittsburgh but I really WanNa go to that ballpark because you know of of how gorgeous it looks the view of the bridge just all that Myrtle wrong. In contact out there catching a really fun anything. It's amazing. What's interesting is the area around the park itself because back in the day in the fifties, you know ebbets field was just in the neighborhood you're walking If you WANNA get that feeling, go walk to Fenway Park 'cause you're into neighborhood and then all of a sudden out of nowhere POPs this ballpark it reminds me of. A soccer pitches in England in you know the sort of this is our you know the names of the soccer pitches I don't know if you've been exceeded the abuse, but I'm sure you've probably experienced it like. Craven cottage. Stamford. Bridge in there's all these like interesting names in these stadiums just kind of pop up out of nowhere the soccer fields in feel very neighborhood centric move you look at photographs of the Ballpark up through the nineteen forties. But bore the light standards were added. there. Are they could have just as easily been a city hall or a library they had that state league facade and so intertwined into the neighborhood as you say it, you really just happened on it I I always enjoyed the years I was working at fenway in stories of people. Are Security guards were always telling amusing stories of tourists who come in and say where spend way where where it's been way they're standing right there. had. Looked up to see the light towers which. To Go. Awry And the CITGO sign. That's the one. That one that you see out there. It's amazing. So okay. So let's wrap this back to what's going on right now which you know we have the the teams playing in these wonderful stadiums but no fans there. How how do you feel about that? I mean it's so funny. Is designed for the fan experience. You think we at the dodgers feel especially disappointed because this was such a special year for us. We were looking forward to hosting the All Star game. This summer would have been the first time ended La had. The all-star game since nineteen eighties of forty years. And Stan Kasten has been talking about this new front door percents, aggregate high partners, and their partners on the club in two thousand twelve. So this particular project even though we've done some really significant upgrades to dodger stadium in the last eight years this was how the candle on the cake and. So, we can't wait for bands to see it. I will say that what we've done has made it easier to survive during this across we added elevators and escalators. So it's made it easier in sacred and move around the building ironically the. Synthetic turf that we put in a kids area has proved to be the perfect agility so that our players can spread out and get Outta the interior combines of the traditional pass conditioning. Be outdoors than the sunshine do their workouts and I think even the social areas that we created with a beer gardens or bars and an. Eating plazas are things that went bands can come back will serve as well for social distancing because it is non traditional seating in that was something that God's stadium lacked. We have fifty, six thousand seats and we're so proud of the fact that we're the largest in baseball and we still sell out those. Times a year. We just love about dodger fans that there. So thankful. Just have been great for so long that they've enjoyed minus the world series win they've enjoyed I think the best run in baseball that we've seen in a long tower nowadays consecutive division titles. Are you know we? We live for those? We want to go further, but it's you gotta you gotTa make that that benchmark so I think I think what is disappointed with as we are in the moment we we got something. We're really proud of and feel like our fans what was on when time? Yeah. That's stays developed. The fans can appreciate that next year and if next year, we can't get back to it until late summer. What not based on what's going on in the world the next year that people are pro hosting the All Star game in twenty, twenty two so. Excited that Atlanta will have it next year and by twenty twenty two will will the shine what have worn off of our improvements we'll be ready that not at all. Really. You know again it's like A. As we're watching the NBA in a bubble, as we're watching hockey stadiums are really kind of incredible and actually can provide a tremendous. Boost for your teams and whatnot but the NBA Games with no fans happening in this bubble and it isn't that different you roll a ball out. You get on court with two hoops and you play it whereas there is the dynamism of the actual environment center playing in make a bigger deal. That's why spring training is bond, but it's not the same. It's scene is playing in these ballparks and. To talk to someone who's worked on. So many of them is really really cool Do you have any other? Is it to dodgers? Do you have any is there anywhere? You're like I wish that I could help with this place. That I Like what's next? What's next I don't know whoever I just don't know. I just really enjoyed the projects that I've had in. I've enjoyed working at a smaller scale to had a chance to work on the Orioles Spring Training Zillion. Sarasota transform that. Little. Nineteen. Eighties. Ed. Smith stadium into something really special and I'm Stan Kasten had been working gougers compasses, pomace facility insanity Mingo and Larry Lucchino again on the red SOx triple a new ballpark in western mass is going to open in twenty twenty one so. I've enjoyed moved transferring scales and I think often we see things in spring training and minor league said are abundant take back to the major leagues and vice versa absolutely, and actually think baseball can can benefit from that too in the same way that things like you watch the world baseball classic a few years ago and you saw how much fun players were having and how much bat flipping and crazy antics in know that you saw. Out players just having fun I would love to see that make its way in addition what you're talking about sort of like bring that Minor League Fun or World Baseball Classic Fun to the game of baseball just to even amp it up another level. Well, thank you so much for joining us. This is so cool. How can people follow you? Are you on social media in a way that people can see kind of what you're doing or? I. Bring. While you what is your handle on? Are you on twitter you on instagram you should be on. Factor Mery. Might be instagram GRANDPA, side. Well I thank you so much for joining us and You know this is really really cool. This is again as we talk about the different facets in areas of the of the world is sports. This is just it's an error that we've never talked about on the show. We've been doing sports podcast for since two dozen. Tan. We've never talked about the construction and design of the actual stadium that we sit in. So this is fascinating. Thank you so much. Park to park you can. You can add that to your list of thanks to. Really among. The dodgers because our our SNL, a broadcast will be from center field. So that'll be fun. Sneak Peek of what we've done this year. Love it. All right. Thank you so much. You're welcome. So nice to speak with you. Speak with you, too. Okay that was my interview with Jennifer Smith. She's awesome. Could talked to her forever like the amount of fact, she had the fact that she pulled that griffey fact out of nowhere amazing incredible So great and I think depends and of course, generation is not someone who's like got a heavy generate Smith is on ticked up does not have a heavy social media presence, but if you can follow her in any way or. find out more stuff better. She's amazing and I'm excited to go to dodger stadium when it reopens for the fans to see kind of all the great stuff that they did there because it is our home stadium like seven minutes away from where I live. It's really cool. All right. Guys have great weekend You know hope you just stay stay protected stay connected don't get infected. We always say that our daily podcast check out David podcasts. To the virus edition and check US out next Wednesday on Jim. Rome show. 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Is This Real Life?

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36:40 min | 2 years ago

Is This Real Life?

"Welcome to the show to Friday show. We sit around talk about as home uses brothers was good everybody. Hey, amen. I'm so happy to the after show is kind of getting more recognition. Yeah. It's is actually somebody was like favorite per year. Yes. One of my favorite parts of us to do. They get to like get their that personal feel from us. And I think they are paying for that. That's why my biggest thing is like I don't like that people see me, and they think they can only talk about basketball facts. I know exactly what you mean people especially in stream sue Alyce is best for questions coming up. When I when I did stream back in the day, which is like one time like three months ago, I'll put in the title, no basketball talk. The title though, ask me about basketball plans for night right now. I don't wanna talk about the best book title dues become like can. I are we talking basketball or not. I went to a windy city boys game a few days ago. I was super born sober born. That's what I just remember to you. I'm a knee. I'm need why your stomach is fucked up right now. Okay. So this this is the story. Right. So we go to the game. It was death awareness day. You know, Suzanne went to school for sign language and stuff. So, you know, as a side of that they may do something special with deaf awareness, and we went there. There was a lot of people. You know, they were signing the entire game. It was just a beautiful safe for her all might share. There is a letter that said for control Beecham, I'm like, oh, okay. So I opened up the ladder is headed golden ticket. It's come to the front office, or whatever it was called. And we got a prize for you. Cool. I went to the front office desk with this prize was attacked. No, we're some fucking stickers. They gave me some Sakado bull stickers. They were fire stickers, but they're stickers. I'm thinking I'm getting the hat assert. Maybe when he's eighty balls. They gave me some stickers and Mike. Okay. So why was I picked for this? Like, oh, this is one of your first time. So you just want to try to introduce you to the team yada, yada. I'm on right now. Not to interrupt you. But we get some good questions. And then we get one question. This kinda irritated me hard and talk about hard. We in a best office. This is the after show. It says doing the after show right now. What should we talk about? Don't talk about it. Don't don't say no basketball shit. So okay. So the way I put it on Instagram story. I got the letter that said control Beatson was fire. And then the next nap was me holding the Taki soon. So it made it seem like they gave me the Takis because I'm control beat. So that's not worth out. No, I was at the right place at the right time. We were leaving the game early because they were down twenty third quarter. And it's a G league. I don't care about the players. So I'm fixing dollar tickets as we leave it out the door. She said you like talkies, I was like lady, I love talkies. Yeah. I can't stand them. And she said dating since you love them. Here's an entire box. I got an Atari parts talk. He has like a van or something that she the back. So where they were what they were going to do is handed out to people as they were leaving. So they had they have like so many boxes so they could afford to give away a box. So we just the right place at the right time. But it made it seem like I was important person. Just because I had you know. But no, I was not important at all somebody act says we'll music are we looking forward to in two thousand nine hundred Jacob I need a little loving nice co Al they need is job now twenty eight hundred eighty K O D. But I know what you mean, I want that Jay caller, we've been getting these features for the you've seen when Drake posted on his story him in. Them together him and Jake while you whisper. And he goes shrug like, they can see you Schroeck. I don't answer for this. But somebody asks you ever met a fan and public not at a meet and greet all the time. I haven't damn no low. Is you don't get out you go to work say he the p the places he is seen him. He was their work. Right. Gonna drive through Muslim. And he did they were doing door day. What's his work? Yeah. That's me. All have like just a bigger fan base general because you also have your YouTube channel. Yeah. It hasn't happened. People. Don't like Mike in the knob basketball seen in a while. So I'm SAP, but the winning city booths game I met him at the Chicago Bulls game, but it used to be to the point where I would walk around the mall down the street and couple people with stop me and say, you are you are you kidding to fourth quarter. Not say pictures that have happened in a while it may have been more because my town is going crazy right now. But yeah, it happens. They definitely happens. It's super cool to actually get face New York NBA store. Oh you. Yeah. Together, we were all together. And then right after the next game, they say wait to why we were just right outside the Knicks Madison Square Garden. I don't remember that. Yeah. He was he was he was definitely there together. What are you talking about? He went home. We were just standing waiting for Uber. And then the guy walked up and said oh shit through the wires. I'm like come on, man. All right. Do you think? So it was the best Argenti Di come on. Now kinder-. You know in a minute and his last album wasn't very good, and I like Apso control system patrol system. Oh my God. But he's not the best. He may be the force because I'll say Jay rock over here. And I'll take schoolwork Uganda. Maybe even is ever chard. We'd be a real. Did you get to watch the stream yesterday? Nah. I wanted to. Last seen because I got seen the too late Madison had tweeted job like year. Do I want my time? She did that it was like twenty five minutes old so fucking. I wish y'all should do that like offline right there. I don't know if you know, but me and can't be head of my three two three two three months game seven thirty three. We did game seven they can show ended up winning by three here. And you know, why one he tunnel visioned? He had a player that was hot. And instead of kicking into the oval man John Havlicek instead of kicking into the Overman because I was doubling the fuck outta John shot assessed that three. Then game is literally arcade. If you get some look at three and try to nine now anybody talking about Jake John Havlicek, literally got a small open look from half court, and it went in straight. And that was the reason he was in the game. That was a big side. You would have won. Yeah. Oh, Mark you discussing. He say talk about how much better. Buffalo Wild Wings wings. Stop. That's the most shit ever. Right. Second of all even not even a comparison. Wayne stopped blows. I'm out of the fucking wall. Haven't had a minute. Wingstop the second day. I bought my car because guess what? I had a dream about bro as we was in New York. And I was there for some days, and I'm and I panicked because it was like I last day, and I'm like, bro. No. You can't go. We got. I got gotta get on go doing. No fuck that. Day in. Dream that. I went they'll get the macaroni from a weird about that. I also had a jury we were all together and some city, and we we were we were struggling because we always missed our flight like we all woke up late in our different brewing scare and that yet. I don't like crazy. You know, what I hope happens before I told Mike this, but I hope that the government shutdown as over by the time we get ready for all star. Because the TSA lines are crazy because like they're saying they're like fifty percent of their employees are called enough work because they're not going to be. Right. What's the reason to come into the TSA? We're going to have to spend hours. That's the TSA check here before we get on the flight out of people flying places in February show, people flat twenty percents crazy. That's like a weird to just be traveling around for like vaca-. Somebody's birthday that some some lady get a gun onto a delta flight. Damn ain't that crazy. Could you tell me that? I'm just saying he channel put that. I'm just saying it happen facts. It was like any time you're going to a place like movie or like, a mascot place out. Like what if somebody hit? Here has y'all have that type of my view. But realistically, most likely somebody in the big movie theater has done because conceal carry. I. Are they going to use on you know, but most likely someone in them? I'm look for I exit yet to. Appear to Sam I was like super paranoid about the type of stuff. But it's like now if it happens. What? Some yesterday. That says no matter what room I'm in. I'm always playing I always have a plan for escape if it's a smart is a smart to what was your favorite thing about in. Why New York I really like playing basketball? David. Definitely not my favorite thing about New York. Not did you not I'd say because we we don't do that. Here. We can't do that. But we might be what is your favorite thing about New York about new unite which you did in New York. The office for me is always this office. Bright lights this office easily for me is this everybody knows just walk in there. And we just sat on the couch to sit. I like everything's together. Are the Israel busy. Right. Every you could go to go get some clothes to go. Get some needle. Everything's like right there. We have everything here, but it's like scattered. Yeah. The allied that to we take a lot of Luba some places with walking there. Be like a thirty minute job at a literally like two miles away. Most underrated restaurant. I e. In twenty nineteen. I've only have fast food four times about away. So that's like a round of applause slumping because that's thank you. Thank you. For your homie. He got the Lord sticker on your serve because you want. New York pizza, Chicago police, I'm going with Chicago piece and New York good though, easily Chicago, Chicago, I saw this question to ask read it that I wonder if y'all have a story about it was like has it ever been a time where something happened and made you question reality, right? Nia you do let me tell my story and y'all can maybe big about some stuff when I was younger, right? I used to me, and my mom we all lived in one big house. Meet my mom my grandma sisters. Everybody is saying house mother, yell mulligan, and I used to live in the basement like my rooms in the basement, and my mom room was SU so one middle of the night. I wake up, and I see my mom sitting at the bed. What are you doing? You know? So we are just sit at the edge of my bed, and she gets up and she walks to her bedroom without even acknowledging me. So I follow her I go in my mom's bedroom. And I swear to God. This is not a made up story. See was not home. Who the fuck us sitting at the bay? Maybe he was a demon. Maybe it was a David. Spent Mamie question. Everything was I have sleep was out wake without really dream it. I don't really know what happened. But that is something I remember I had to be like has to be like nine years old. I can't think of anything up to ask me best ball questions for this fancies. It'd be lobby question in. Reality. Having like do am. I really real. Or is are you really real happy thinking that sometimes your I'm not gonna lie that was gonna be my story. Like, it's not even a big sword. But sometimes I take a shower and look at my seven year like you've never been there with the. Have you ever stared? It's all self in a mirror and your face changes hail. No, no. Be looking at my head on be like if I can move my finger, like it's instantly. Do you ever think? Do you ever think? The thing that like my mind could turn that message. Just like my. You'll toes. The I think about the possibility of like, you're the center of the universe in like the people sitting next to you don't exist. That's all I really don't think about that. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking about that a lot about that a lot. There's a possibility that none of this is really happening. This is crazy. You know, I know this from six. Becker buffet too. What what if what if when you die right like viewed? I'm you ninety years old because we all live in loan you wake up and your back your kids self and you get to redo everything over the different differently. But isn't another person I'm going to be airing either that Carnegie to somebody else, would you? Okay. 'cause proven once another man not the deeper thing. Yes. Technically because every. Improvement thing. Happening. Right now, we say it again if that are off. If that are off. Somebody else down. You don't remember? I'm Martin Luther King. But just I just don't know damn wilt say. Like that. Okay. This is a real question. Would you rather that be true? When you when you die you come back to life of somebody else or the idea of heaven Di of heaven because his eternal life. But in this situation today, this is eternal because you just live again somewhere. But this is the eternal life with all the bullshit makes heaven, it's like, you know. They say, it's never know shadows and dark, and I mean having an hail you. Inhale? You you have to deal with the Bush down here. You know, because the you would never know. That's the whole thing even ever know. Yeah. We could literally be living in it. And we just don't know be living. What and die and you come back life somewhere else. Yeah. Q imagine if you like, but you know, what's so crazy. I feel like somebody would have no there are actually people that think that they are the reincarnation of other stuff like it was a girl Dr field dossiers Pocahontas. See literally, thus you spoke to harness like, misery. Oh, pogo hana's. This is the after show ever have you ever? Also had the thoughts to ask you about. Now that the world is to be for something to happen twice. Yes. I do think about that. I do think about that. I've been trying to think about life before like I was born. Like, I was just trying to think of LA damn well what was. Live late level. What if they're wrong? What if they didn't exist, though, what if the world started when you were born? You just blew his. That's crazy to me is that nobody looks like you out of people in a word that has been in a world. Nobody knows. That's the thing that I'm not talking about right now. It's too many people knew somebody not exactly some of this like. Little like, the Dabo like, there's darva Gaiger theory. No as definitely people that look extremely alike, but then but they're technically not identical. Who did how I mentioned mother had oh episode about that one of the characters met their Dapo gang and other care to win like a long time trying to find they're getting like one of them was a was a model. So they saw the picture on the side of like a bus or something. And I wait is that me. Benson. Y'all think it's another four like for people out there that just started up their own pockets like they're doing one of the podcasts listen room. This is what we do. But somewhere else, but it's just like on other side of the somebody's home and she from high school doing doing stuff they doing football without a doubt. We have to the wire two point. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Without about, ma'am. Sex with y'all so's attached forever true or false false from aids that he wanted up. That doesn't remind me follows these two have never seen that. I haven't seen it. But I've seen it. If that makes any sense like, I know everything about the movie these insane. Like, yes, what if follow on? You see butterfly foot? It's on Hulu right now or. You're going to go. See why I'm gonna see glass y'all talking about is like the butterfly foot. He has some fucking thing. And it's here where he couldn't really remember. She had blackouts. So the doctor and his mom made him, right? Everything else. So. He got older and he couldn't remember his pass. So remember his pay as he would open is no book to read. And it will take him back to that moment. He could relive you say. Last year largely that you lived in days off who disaster. Because my dad my dad was talking about glass, but he was also talk some other movies too. And I could've sworn I didn't know if that was you said that you're talking about this experience a lot of one of my favorite real though. Right. It's not it's not really it's in your mind. No, it's not it's not a real phenomenon. So many scenarios that have happened to me where I've been here before, you know, saying what hasn't though was the craziest dream. I'll tell you crazy crazy dream. I've had this girl. I know her I didn't know her never met her at all. She was in my dream. We had a baby. And I know I think you told us this because it was so crazy that I told her I'm like you. I don't know you buy blah. And that was you mentioned this. I feel like I forgot who it was. My craziest dream is to have night terrors high school is having night terrors, and it was the same dream over and over and over and sometimes I get a little bit further. But it's like, so, you know, Chris was Sean Kim two thousand eight after he passed away. I used to have these reoccurring dreams of. I was being in the car. He was driving. I'm in the back seat. I got a phone call. I answer. It's my dad saying said, Chris Chris was basically the phone call. I got from my dad when I found out the Chris passed away. And I'm like how I'm in the car with them right now, and then Chris earns around and he's like shopping, you know, he's shot and snap up a wake-up sweating and fucking shaken and stuff I was the same during all the time. The for. I would I would start off from my like in my room. And then I would end up running from the police. I don't know how. Now, you'll slow is called. Thing about a dream that you always go. I would always get called like I would always go to difference about China to get away. But I would always get caught. And then I would wake up, and then I would have another dream same thing. But I would always get cut. And so it would I would just get stuck on it. If you ask me another basketball question, my guy in here as I said is I'm blocking you. I'm literally going to. Did you heat it when I was in your land? And I was like. Talking. Dear use you don't have to go laugh. So we get some of us in now. Due to go lab is like. Mike will ever go live other than twits because his game? But like you I was like Michael ever do any of you watch. Besides Kenny watch anime. Yes, I watch attack on titan. Once I get my home, like low -partment, then I get a PC. I'll get the face cans. No. I'm just talking about going live on the phone now. I'm just saying he's destroying though, I'm talking about in general. I I have I think you'd like Samaranch blue p that was what I was watching when y'all got here because this it's very hip hop. Inspire is the guy who is paying fine attack on titan all of them with English. You know, new Dhabi's? He produce. Oh, soundtracks. So from sown. So my had anime song. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about. 'cause we listened to that. But he. Yeah. He did the whole soundtrack so fighting saints. But it's hip hop in the background is fucking fire. When was amazing newer. I was made in the late nineties. I'm pretty sure early two thousands. But you can't say that. I like Noah's value there. That's that's why I used to watch like Tekken and shit. I was like bringing that type of shit bag streetfighter. Like this. How would like fighting games coming out mortar comback Mona combat eleven right? Talk about high school. What about the high school high school live was trash ran do sit? Somebody said favorite who had found Friday. Is that can say the hoofing. I'm just thinking about black films not hula films who is the hood fail. I'm gonna say don't be a menace. Don't be boys in a hula. We talked. That's a real hooah film boys in the hood because literally at a day before brothers. That's not a hood mainstream. And it's not a who stream. I mean, you like movie you will love isn't it like they have to black characters. Right. Todd. Recent one other boo. Do. Mark wahlberg. Right. Dan. It is Andre Marky. Mark, this is boy, I love that movie that movie solid. But I know I don't think that's a who a movie like the most challenging part of the is it listen everybody asks me questions about high school and once one do hit me yesterday. Like man, how do I find who? I am. Because I see you you're so sure who you are your first of all I looked at his profile my bro you like fifteen. You're not supposed to know who you are on your fifteen. I didn't know most don't give it chain. Like, no light, you give it time to gal Russian for no reason. Nobody really knows where they are in high highschool every developer going to find out now. I'm sure like they're like, we're we're like we're Tagliabue colts, though, we're still growing like thirty. We'll still gonna be finding out stuff about myself, but he's a high school easier. It is reality might feel like the hardest thing that you've gone through yet. But in reality. Shit was if this was easy I put in chat. But I read it for everybody. Yeah. Blocking you Dominican shadow. I just said no MBA says the saying hi to a grill still working twenty nineteen. I'm asking you out of the group because I looked like you, and I need some of this. He looked like you. Let me see a picture does. He actually look like you. Having. Re read the pen comment. This is the after show y'all asking basketball questions on the damn after show. Yes. I can tell you for five years. I don't know what works with girls on twenty nine hundred. What did he ask the saying heights girl works? I'm sure it does. How would? I just read that. And let me here. Let me pay attention. He says just saying to girls who work in twenty nineteen. And then after that, I just put the left on. What would you say? What do you mean? 'cause I mean higher some usages rainy. But yeah, you just say, hey, but he says I don't know I feel like I seen all these videos dues walking up to grows as mega mid behinds talking about sexual assault. Go to jail. I don't think any those that you c- cannot can I expose some stuff when you see people doing illegal on YouTube. It's fake. Yes. For you cannot do that you cannot walk through smack their ass uploaded on YouTube, first of all. Saying hi doesn't don't know? It never did work. That's just something to initiate you. Just say, hi. You gotta talk say, hi, it's not like she's buy you want. My number. That'd be like. Hi, an the girl respond back and say are already have a boyfriend or something like that. Secondly, it's like y'all got to stop over thinking things like, you know, what I'm saying is this took talk. That's how you get a girl like certain things are always going to be saying hi to a person is always going to be acceptable. It's always gonna be acceptable. It's never not going to be a time where you just can't say how do people? That's you gotta be able to initiate a conversation and be self. That's the most important thing you want a woman be yourself. You know shows have some damn confidence. Learn how to talk that's I would say, that's I mean from my experience disadva- confidence goes a long way when it's all to anybody girls future bosses anybody on this is having confidence works wonders if you feel good and you present yourself as good people. Don't see you as good as. Yeah. Thanks, thanks. We wouldn't be in this position that we didn't have confidence that we wanted the best shows out the if we weren't the best show out there. We won't be wage. Oh, wait. I wouldn't have Email. Doug about us. You know, because I really believed that we were the best show out there. And we just needed more exposure, we definitely to Besser. I know that so just has hassle confidence, man. Yeah. Most people can smile. Most people don't say how do I get confidence? You get confident about being yourself accepted for who. You are. If you not like that, dude. That's you know, the Superfly do. They don't be the Superfly do. You know, what I mean if you not a best? But I don't know who you are actually you are they want you to start embracing who you are are the people with embrace it broke. Right. All the people very, but if you make yourself feel like, oh, I'm a weirdo, or they're not people treat you how you treat yourself. How you care yourself. You carry yourself like a man, listen, I wear Reebok's, and this is the shit. I like he was gonna accept you as to where Reebok's right does how muscle. They're like. Yeah. Blocking blocking his. Talked about harder. Ever run track? No. So my ACL and my senior season any advice be patient tour, my tendon and my ankle Monsignor Caesar and I rushed back to play net. That was not smart because should don't. I didn't even you know what I mean. I ended up quitting and get into it with the coach. So take your time get fully healthy and do your rehab realistically if you weren't going to play college. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. It's not that big of a deal because after after high school a lot of us to stop doing. Stevo? Toed. Elsie? I don't know something's where. But haven't just haven't Jim everyday. It was nice, y'all. Sometimes weirdos get girls, I'm evidence. But you if you're a weirdo clear that you've accepted, the fact that you're weirdo, and you have confidence and you being a weirdo embrace being a weirdo weirdos. All right. Just fucking. All right, man. Honestly, I don't think we were the we are grew. But we weren't the popular through. Like, we know who the popular people in our school where we know who the lame hoes in a school where you would just in the middle of cool kid. I was living with the cool kids. We weren't the popular kid. Who are we? I think we were who we were like the above average. Listen, lack cool. We can hang out with both go to the parts of the cool kids or. From hours from my perspective. Y'all could have been cool and popular. But I don't think I'm busy meant that much to it. Don't matter does not matter because how many people from high school. Do y'all actually keep up with. That's not in this group. None of them. I'll be I'll be looking through snapshot. And I still see the names and be thinking of how much it was cold. But they were just kind of today. So. About the cool kids. How many of them actually doing something productive right knee? I was homecoming king. Sure, I was probably the most one of the most popular people in high school. Not many of the popular kids are doing something for auto at all like we were in the middle. But we figured it out. You know, the long term deal cares about high school popular, yada me. You think so? You think so I don't know. The public. So people knew me endearing though, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Because ours is weird. We we I don't know. I don't know how you would go up to people in this talk to him. That's weird. That's weird. Home grinding definitely I'll just gonna and you just bid uses the big dude in school. Everybody knows the big boo. But I out with the public kids for time. And I realize that I'm not I'm not one of them. They didn't like that though wanted to do was running against me his day. I work for our school was a teacher and football coach and shit like that they just knew they was gone. He was gonna win. I made them, Ed. Being cool is overrated popular. Now, we popular now. Right. That'd be a cool as overrating. But we we we don't do we coud to though, somebody look at they talk into a microphone Batum sales. And like they see that check. I mean, you know, high school is like this what I would say being cool. I once called it overrated. But I would say it don't matter because like he said that the people being being cool. I don't I don't like look at none of them people that I was cool with her. That was like, oh, you know, what I'm saying bub-bubba like down when I see them. I'll be Sean. I have for them actually when I go to target or jewel. I'll be like now hopefully on don't under them. See me. Do you guys on? Playing on what you're saying. I got it off like this. Sure as hell you Richard is. I'm trying to get home shoot. These. I'm not I'm cool. No. He's a man some. I'm good. My horn him on it. No, no, no. That's what you're not the wrong into people who in and I find that. And let's see who this is. And then he infamy owned. Did you see that tied the Josse post the Tyler put in the edgy Chet? Now. I haven't what happened. Look at it. I think it was a picture of a picture, John. James, listen, bro. Charles. You wanna come everywhere? I don't I will never understand the concept that people telling us we need the code is place. We need to go. So that plays as if we don't want to go to these places we would love to come to LA right now. If that was a reason for us to go to LA right now are promised we will in this podcast. You know next flight if it was a reason for but they're not not from Chicago. It's long fight. From to New York was on our. Ninety five like the from here. It's on here. You score across. I didn't I didn't even hit my mind until I was in the plane and in the plane, I was. Hour and a half to New York feeling loan. It does feel and you literally going from one side to the other. So I'm like, maybe it's because I'm like, I'm a slightly afraid of being up there that it just feels longer. And that you literally can't do anything. You just see? That's why we got to fly with a private. Yeah. You're right. Send with. All you. American Airlines American. Okay. Yeah. 'cause they got shit that make you feel quip 'cause they was giving us food. If I had if I say to it would be more enjoyable. Yeah. Facts. You've just gotta sit brought hate. I hate it. I hate it. You feel like you're gonna do some. Same thing is New York. Okay. You got movies movies? Download alone. I'm just gonna watch one movie and we'd be doing. I couldn't bro. You know? I'll be down on pockets like I download jokes. You started watching some show. Athens for family, and then like not like twenty minutes later, you were watching a whole different move salads. Lots of scary movie too. Right. Like, I was just flipping through him. I couldn't like none of it was grasping my interest. Really? Bill restricted to what you could do it. I was they had the shit. I was on hand like the office and like power. So I was like all this shit that I actually watched and let me turn something to show favorite comedian. It was it was Chris rock. I like that Williams. And cat Williams. Right. All his jokes and the movies on stand up and all that a lot of people. They don't write they own. Should they be funny in movies, but like cat Williams do his own thing? Chris rock is for me to funniest man alive or pretty funny. That's like fifty years ago, bro. Recipes recipes beige appeal cat Williams, Bill bars, pretty funny. Listening was who was doing was that Louis. Louis CK. Yeah. And that's why I said Chris rock I'm like because he deserves lead there and smile data. What are couple of things on your bucket list? Get an apartment. You sound slow start. You don't a bucket list things you want to do before you die. You're gonna get an apartment. Eventually bucket list is like I wanna go Scott warfare. Walgreens, get apartment though, that is I want to go fishing in Canada. See that's something, you know, updates uptaking a bull. But it's also bigger. I don't know if I have no a Lakers game as well. But that's okay. That's going go without a good one. Has it? Not a good one. That's all about to a Laker game NBA park full bleach. Arousal pilots I want to visit all twenty nine arenas. So that's what I wanna do for baseball. I want to go to every baseball park before we go to. Baseball park ABC's. I have no interest in love watching baseball games in person like where because I think everyone got they own the thing I'm on. I wanna no offense. I know we're going to Charlotte. But what if there wasn't also game? I would not be mad. If I never win. The gym is all dim take OBT. Audits all you mean. Getting regular games. Yes. Oh. Another one would be. The Cavaliers they stadium was cool when the browser and everything, but now it's kinda just like just the city, and I don't I know some point they're going to be a good team again. Because this is what happens are, we show stale is like, you know. I want to see Philly. I wanna see Philly Philly. I wanna see that city in general. Now been able to get an oracle. Yeah. That's that's not going to be available. No more. You think some of the young you think Kaku be in the rising stars challenge? The little like, you know, what I'm talking about. Now is sophomore player. He will probably. Yeah. You could see 'em play ever watch, the heart and say. Hopefully, we just see him play. I guess I mean kings. I definitely want to go to the king's air know, warm areas. So they have the the biggest Jumbotron in the in the world like they just built. It sounds crazy any team when a warm city, you know, what I mean, you just stumble across our I will never see myself just hanging in Charlotte outside of his all star game. Yeah. I've never wanted to go to doubt. I would just be hanging out in Cleveland. The Minnesota Timberwolves I went to see the mall, but I don't see myself ever breaking my neck to go to term wolves game, the bucks, I've seen it symbol was played three times live, these are different places. I wouldn't care if I didn't go Utah looks. Yeah. Yeah. I like Utah Neil. What did you read that Utah seems live or did they come on? I've never I don't think I've ever heard anybody say, he's that's what you looked over to write the hell out of me screen. That's your Reno. Like, oh, yeah. True. Horry not don't like who's a DiMaggio. If your arena is damn I don't like it. I like bright Esa ringers. I wanna go. I wanna go a renaissance have that doom like the whole the Lakers. But the stadium actual arena. It's theater lighten. That's what it's called theater lighting. Yeah. I don't really like the Knicks do the too, and it seems so not the lighting. But it's not like they have a little bit of swat Magic's Marsh the magic game. And then watch like the Knicks you'll see too dim this. I'm talking wash the horns the Hornets. She the Superdome this is super dome. That's the after show.

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