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Barry Manilow on the Bob & Sheri Show (Airdate 2.13.2020)

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Barry Manilow on the Bob & Sheri Show (Airdate 2.13.2020)

"Speaking of people regularly regarded as second class citizens. It's the Bob and Sheri Show with Bob. I'm not here to be consistent. I'm going to be Bob and Sheri Argue with that and now broadcasting from the palatial bothered Sherry Studios Bobbins Sherry and Bob will be here momentarily. He's running a little bit late today. So we're just without him because the show is beginning whether we're here or not you'll never guess who's going to be on the show today. The actual living breathing walking talking legend. Barry Manilow is going to join us in the next hour of the show. I don't even know how this happened. Todd was like Barry Manilow Said WE WANNA call him at his apartment in New York today and I was like. Yeah we want to call Barry manilow apartment in New York so we'll be on it a little bit and as we were coming in. Here's our CO worker. Double Am who had texted me a couple of nights ago that he was playing music at an Irish is it a feis affects. Yes fash back as a fash. Fashion is It's Gosh what is it? It's like your news. Traditional Irish dance Gathering against Irish dancers there. There were special shoes and the big hair and everything. Yeah yeah none of them were me so. I was wondering decisions. Yeah I play traditional Irish Tenor Banjo so I was I was the musician. So you guys were playing and the Dan the. I've been to dance competitions where Irish dancers compete. Sure that is. That's what that is some hard demanding dance. It's fascinating yeah. It's it's hard to play. It's hard to dance but It's IT'S FUN. It's it's good pub music and It it's what a party. So how many how? Many musicians. In how many dancers seven musicians we had and their head to beat. Gosh maybe five hundred answers plenty dancers. Yeah you're like you're like my dance mom front. Is that a good thing. That's a good thing. No one no one else in this building has any idea what it's like to be a dance mom. Now you were there with five hundred Irish dancers dancing. I guess as playing well so yeah. You never learned how to do that. That whole like Lord of the Dance River dance thing. Oh now I need to send you a picture but No I pretended wants to. But the I'm not a good dancer. Musician Negu Dancer And does your does your daughter does she? Do are standing there not into it. No you know. It's always the way with your family and the people you marry. Yeah it is. Yeah it's never into what you're into. Its whenever I'm practicing. My daughter has one of her friends over. And they'll all ask you which your dad doing you know and it's just really it's just dad so just ignore him so it's really weird to her even though like the whole. Mumford and sons thing. That didn't get you anything you got me. Nothing can get me. Nowhere gabby nowhere. It's so uncool to them. It is just really embarrassing. It's embarrassing yeah. It's it's nothing that you want to show off in front of your daughters France now sometimes when you play at a Do you wear traditional Irish clothing. Like from the day give little knickers or I don't know. Now it's it's your every day we can close so it's it's pretty a pretty boric and do you sing to. I don't now any by have I have on occasions I have. I'm not a good singer so WMD mean to tell me that even when your daughter was younger and Saint Patrick's Day was rolling around in fourth grade. Even then your gifts were not appreciate it. I was just always just dorky dead yet. That is so cool to her and now she's seventeen is even worse is worse it's worse. Yeah I just that's not anything. She's connected his just now. I grew up in pub- though for some reason I thought it was always pretty cool so I grew up in a very traditional Irish home. A group After Church we've been all go to pub- cousins when play the family? Play my family my wife and daughter they think is just obnoxious so they just they hate it. We can't figure out what it is About humanity that causes us to be attracted to and debris with people that find the things we enjoy completely stupid but everyone I know you max. Bob Probably Ed's over there going. Yeah Yup Yup. Do they think stupid. It doesn't matter what it is like. I love to cook. I mean I love to cook and this is my husband who by the way if I turn my back on them for a minute. We'll eat a can of sausages and drink the juice out of these disgusting right. This is my husband. I love to cook. You have landed a woman who loves to cook. And here's my husband. I don't live to eat. I eat to live well if you eat to live wise that can of sausages in your mouth. Because that's not how you're gonNA live. No yeah I I can't cook. I can't Cook to save my life and that's just not anything I'm going to be good at. I know that I can't microwave heating right you are you have a specialized and unique talent and no one in your family appreciates it. But I'll go and we'll play in planning. A couple of sessions wishes music sessions. Planning a couple of sessions a week in the crowd of going nuts. So they're crowded love it. They'll be one hundred people. Two hundred people in POB and everybody would be cheering yelling. But when I go home I geek just to my wife and daughter. It is so on cool and see here. I was thinking. You must've one your wife's heart with that tenor Banjo action in a pub. Chicago but apparently not lord of the Tenor Ben. I tell you what even her that my in laws there. What Dill Kiki? We think it's so cool way cool. It's Bobby Sherry us. The talk back to teach on the free and Sherry APP and leave us a message. Happy Day before Valentine's Day Bob's running a little bit late. He should. He should be here any minute now. so we were just talking with our CO worker double. Am who had has to go to work now. But we made him stay back because during the break he was telling us about what his parents were like and when he was a kid. His Dad would buy a differently. Pos Car every month. And did he liked to fix them up. Was He at Tinker. Now these cars he he would buy. He would never buy a car. That was more expensive than five hundred dollars and they would breakdown than he would. Just buy another one rather than spend any money to fix it was. It's the old school by with cash so it was a fluid neighborhood that we grew up in. So then you would just pull in with this beater and God forbid you enrolled on the windows because the felt would come down from the ceiling and it's like a A parachute in the back. Just mean smoke blown out of it. Oh can you remember? What's the longest one of those cars last? It was in about a month or two and a couple of months. Yeah it was a couple of months. It was so embarrassing when Your Dad would come and pick you up with your friends and pull up in this one after another. Yeah there was this one car that he bought. He bought it for fifty dollars. All right so in when you take a left the steering wheel would only go so far so then he would have to back up and then just key and then dry Ford them. Back up and drive forward and cars would be beeping and it was Bar Fifty Bucks. One door opened in that car and it wasn't the driver's side so he had to get in the back of the front sees. Yeah it was an old plymouth also I have to say I'm super impressed. That for fifty bucks. It had an engine. It ran fine. It just didn't turn so he could turn to the right but not to the left where he couldn't really turn in any direction any direction. Yeah so it was. It was pretty bad. What was your mom's position on all of this? She ignored it I think she ignored it in in the car. Had to get parked in the back of the The the garage. So it's actually the recipe for. I think a happy marriage if you if you are able to ignore the big annoying thing that can't be hidden from the world if you can ignore that you probably are going to stay married forever. Yea He was a a and he's still around today but he was a third shifter of his life so he worked From Eleven PM to seven am and and this is funny Because when we get home from work at seven. Am He was a printer so he would fire up the the grill? Grab a beer and You know start grilling seventy. Yeah and if I had a friend over with the smoke is going as these drinking a beer and friendly. Hey what's wrong with? Your Dad is unusual. That must've band and your dad so he would come home and how it was the end of his workday so he's having a stake in a beer whatever and then he would sleep while you guys were at school. Yeah yeah he'd go to bed eleven. Am and he'd wake up at Eight PM star cooking eggs and go to work and then then repeat and that was this whole and he fears. He preferred that he did that. So he can. Golf during the day so He got seven days a week. Just nonstop your parents are like cartoon characters from the little that you've shared with me that they are early. It's specific problems together. And isn't it interesting that you have mirrored in your own life? Yeah I to clear. We'll talk about that one day about your own leg variant. We should never lifestyle. Look how happy you are for people over sixty five covering serious complications eager can mean the flu so watch for symptoms with the exergen temporal scanner. It's quick and easy to use. Here's Bob and Sheri. I don't even know why I make suggestions at my own house just knowing no one listens. No no try to look ahead for a possible Problems him has. No one hears wouldn't listen to this okay so as a little gift. Every year I buy triple A. Memberships for everyone in the house myself and Madison Mary. It's a teenage girl. Streep you know what I don't want the same things going on here of my house last. Here's what I got Monday. I got the cards. They're not they're not free. They're not fighting for them. And so let's say Madison is out in. God knows where you know in the middle of Nowhere. She breaks down. What does she do right? She's got the triple eight thing. It's a nice thing so the cards came and Mary's there and I said Oh. Here's the new cards hope. You'll like them. Yeah I would not put this in your car right away. Yeah there's there's one in there I think now anyway it's the same number it doesn't matter I'll just and she just puts it aside and I came back and I said I'll make sure that you know you send this the Madison. Well she's you know I'll give it to her when she comes home in a few weeks total dismissal. So last night were meeting over at the Sports Sports Park. She's going to be working late. She said meet me at seven fifteen. I'm there at seven fifteen. There's no wife I look fine. My friends she hasn't left her office yet. About five seconds later I get a phone call car. Broken down car has fled Tyre car. Broken down yet. Didn't you let me finish. Let Me Finish I. The answer is no it didn't but but I did want to very very much talk. Not that much growth a little bit of growth. So she says it's. It's a flat tire now. I don't know if she thought I was going to drive. Way Across town and fixed the flat tire. Something get some gum. I don't know what she thought. Do you know how to change? I call AAA coming. Oh Yeah I know. Oh yeah different. She didn't she just Trade got a different SUV. Or whatever so you can figure them all so city hall to call AAA. That's the quickest thing to do in. The Guy will do a better job right show and then she hangs up. And I'm going back to have my drink and I said what am I gonNA do? I'M GONNA wait here another forty five minutes but that's the way life is phone rings. No text where. Where is the car get? Give me the cards number. Give me your number. I thought the card was in. The car. Didn't do that yet. I didn't say it yet and so I didn't see that. And then it pops up again Bob with the Question Mark. I am now running. I said the bartender don't let anybody sit here. The place is packed. D- only leave. My drink of my coat here goes. I got you covered. I'm running through the restaurant and I'm running through the parking lot. Bob Bob I I call her as I'm running. I said I Mike Car to get them to get the number for you. She said we'll send it right to me. Take a picture of incentive to me. I'm on the line with AAA and they need the number. Okay take a shot. No senator that I'm running back to get my drinks. Nobody takes it and go and then she finally calls me back. She said I'll be leaving shortly and I sit around for forty five minutes and she comes here she comes. I can see you're walking by the window and she comes right in and she sits right down because who boys but a day so anyway. Here's what I did today. What and this is all I could hear in my head. Why don't you tell her that she wouldn't have had to wait at all? I would've had to run if she put the card in the glove compartment. Just like I suggest it. I did not say that I said nothing. You thought it though. Oh yes it's all I could think about how your your face is like one of those giant of billboards in Times Square. You're not saying but she's 'cause I I said across from you so I look at your face all day long. She's look you're not saying a word. Don't make other women jealous. Let your I know. I'm sorry. There's only one of these She's sitting across from you and you're not saying anything but on your face. Here's the scroll told us. Oh told told you. So Jackson AAA cards okay. Put that's fine because I'm right. You are right. I was completely right and yet did I put your face in it. No one could argue doing that right now. But Nitpick why why are you got nitpick right which the likelihood that this is being picked up right. She's not listening to this right now. She's exhausted from the day. She of course it was horrible on the also ran wild card in the car on the one hand. Why when you are doing something that makes perfect sense? Does no one listen? I don't know that's the point. That's what I opened up this break with but on the other hand. What are the odds that on the same day that you're put it in your car? Put it in your car. Two days later car bomb days later boom flat tire. What are the Aussie Universe? Getting your back. What are the odds? That's the universe go and he's a lot but he's not wrong so a lot but he's not he's a lot but he's not wrong prey on that one on the Eva Valentine's Day to be described as a man who is a lot. It's not the worst thing that's right. That's exactly right. It's Bob and Sheri Bob and Sheri Colin. Listen here they are. It's morons in the news. You will not leave this. There's a forty four year old guy named Matthew flaring and he was on a flight from London to Iceland and he was drinking straight gin out of the bottle he got at the place. The Duty Free Shop. Yeah he started hitting on a female passenger and when she ignored him he started cursing her out and screaming. He was gonNA kill her family. I've been turned down by women but I've never you know threatened to take out the entire your become shouted some more death threats at the flight crew. Then listen to this. He then took his cell phone apart and started eating the pieces of his cell phone. He left the battery on the seat and for some reason the cell phone battery started smoking a flight attendant at Dunkin in water to get it to stop. The pilots diverted the flight to an airport in Scotland where Matthew was escorted off the plane and was arrested and he has been charged with several counts of disorderly conduct and making violent threats. Where did we? What time did we step off of the bus of sanity into crazy land? Where if somebody wrongs you you can threaten to kill them or their family. I this is happening more and more and more on the news. I've been frustrated with my phone and I've been hungry on a plane but I've never got disappointed eating it good for you. Good one as more of the day comes to a salad of Waterford Michigan and the Detroit area. His name is Adrian Unto Asante and he was driving his SUV which he had painted and tricked out to look like a police car. He had a fake radar on the dashboard. E OUT OF POLICE STYLE COMPUTER. It was painted with police. Dial bumpers all sorts of lights on the back. A decal that red emergency response. He had a loaded gun in a large knife unfortunately for him he was pulled over by. Sheriff. Mike Fu Chard. Who noticed that this police vehicle was unlike on he'd ever seen before. I've been bottom as the sheriff. He kind of wondered what? The State of Michigan had deployed on the road. And that's when he saw the driver with a big knife and a loaded gun. They're trying to figure out if Adrian has hold anybody and pretended to be a cop more if he was just driving around in his pretend cop mobile text the word Moron two eight two six two seven four three seven and we will send today's right to your vehicle. This is an even crazier vehicle. Listen to this. This truck was on the interstate. May Be near you. A COP in Washington state pulled over a trucker for speeding and he had in his truck a full music studio built into the front seat. He had a laptop yet. A keyboard attached to the DASH wires running everywhere and a drop down microphone hanging from the ceiling of the truck to record his vocals. He said it was so he could record and produce music while driving. It's not clear if he's facing charges for distracted driving or not but the cop also found a jar of white powder and a bag of what appears to be crystal Meth. He's facing drug charges and driving under the influence. That's right on an American highway. And who knows how many states he was going through. A guy was music while driving an eighteen wheeler high on meth with some coke. Next and I it's wrong and it's illegal I gotTa tell you something. I'd like to see some of that can do around here. You know that's true. He was he was really interested in getting something produced. We've had employees here that got as far as the bag of math but the actual work. That didn't happen at all. I mean this nine. This guy was multitasking interest. That is I mean. I hate to be a whip length with already holding these recording. His Own music with dropped. He sings vocals with trump town. Microphone we all know how you feel about club. Pg and he was in a DJ. He was actually producing music. He's artwork while driving nine either hard enough to dry decks moron. Eight eight eight two six to seven four three seven and coming up on the show in about thirty five minutes. The actual World Living Legend. That is very slow us the talk back to back each on the free. Sherry APP and leave us a message just before it just before you go on and on about whatever it is you want to travel. I knew nothing of the Broomstick Challenge. I knew nothing of the Broomstick Challenge to do the Bruce I got. I got on my phone. My wife sent me a picture of our kitchen. With a broomstick that was standing by itself in the middle of the kitchen and I looked at it and I thought well first of all somebody cleaned up the kitchen other than me so that was a shock and then secondly there's a broomstick standing there the only thing I could think to do was to. I text her back. Oh it's fantasia fantail Perino. I probably probably at so and so she didn't respond. She didn't respond. And then I just read. The broomstick challenge is one of these online challenges. Where for some reason you can put a broom. Stick in the middle of the floor and it'll stay there. Yeah I didn't know so you don't have to know everything. I wish you were might seventh grade math. You don't have to know math. How many things can a man be good at? That's very I think we're asking too much broomstick challenge. A friend of mine was like girl. You doing the broomstick challenge. I can't it's in the garage. It's what how I get to work so I'm not permitted in the house. There's so many things going wrong in the world and people are trying to make broom stand by themselves and posted online. Well that's good. We need to have an outlet. Right need a break. How does it work? You know that this is the biggest week for breakup in the world. Not Just yes. I think he is it yesterday or today. That's the most popular dump day on Planet Earth. There are so many people that that are in breakup right now and getting their heartbroken. Who has time to wonder how a broom can stand? I didn't realize that this was the ground zero week for breakup. His people don't WanNa go through the motions on. Yeah it's not just the gift. It's it's the Emotion and even if it's romance owns. Oh you're my Valentine. Also what makes sense? Doesn't it like 'cause we've all well? Maybe not all of this but I think a lot of us have been in relationships where on February fourteenth. We're seeing a heart. That's not a red candy heart. It's the one in your chest that we'd like to rip out and that can make for an uncomfortable dinner. Yeah it's the softness of you. That people love yeah. I'm just the traditional girl and hardcore world. Do you know what else I learned about. Valentine's Day get ready to explain this to me. Eighty percent of baby boomers are not going to celebrate Valentine's Day. Eighty percent eighty percent. Is that because Over you're shaking his head. Yeah but you're such a devoted good husband. You're such a romantic guy. Of course you're going to celebrate. Valentine's Day is that because boomer's have reached a point in their life. They're just done with that kind of Nice. Oh I think so yeah. They've had kids and they've gone through everything that you go through with kids. And they spent what they could paying off the student. Loans that they got back in the seventies and maybe they've been in their relationship for long for a long time. You know or it's the fourth marriage and it's just like much. What I would like to see is Clint Eastwood. Make a one of those Valentine's Day Rom coms where instead of saying get off my lawn. He says it's a holiday invented by hallmark. Yeah yeah that's true. Hallmark is cashing in on all sorts of stuff they. They've got hallmark music for Valentine's Day hallmark movies for Valentine's Day. I mean they really really are are taking what their brand is and expanding it. That funny thing to me is not that hallmarks. Doing that is that it took them so long at it took him so long. I know figure that out. You know you're exactly right. All of a sudden they said you know these stupid movies. We make a Christmas. These corny movies. We make we could do that all year long here along. Yeah it's the Hallmark Arbor Day special and that little town in Canada were there because that's where they shoot. I don't know if you knew that they shoot all these movies and candidates cheaper. There's a little town in Canada because it looks like Christmas wonderland you know what? Just take the lights off the trees and put some red cardboard hearts in the windows of the tiny town bakery and boom. And then you change the name of the hardware store you know every other movie f then you got it done like in the Christmas movie. It's the pine hardware store and the Valentine's movie. It's love land hardware exactly this things right themselves. That's right and you know. What if eighty percent of baby boomers aren't celebrating? Valentine's Day that's a big audience. Viewers are craving some kind of romance somewhere. Something that's sad. That's the you know you should pure guy should something. Why can't you hear Clint Eastwood? Don't give chocolates by blood sugar true sharable paste of the show the fun size podcast drops every Thursday on the three body. I think it's so easy to get annoyed this time of the year. You know it's just not a except for Valentine's Day. It's not that fun time. People are kind of sick of winter by a little things. Start to aggravate you and pardon me for complaining about this but the men's room that I use downstairs in this building is not had paper towels in the dispenser for three days Yet we're not sign it. It's fudges white. My hands on my shirt medically longer any budget for stats for Did you not get the internal email? Everyone's supposed to bring an old towel from home. I missed it. That's you know what I'M GONNA GET. I'M GONNA get one with With my name on a monogram one. I'm going to hook it to my built so I have the little card that gets me in the building. End Up come in with my with my little. Intel BELTS. Very unbranded bread arts. Listen to this I don't like pranks Max doesn't like pranks either. You know I used to hear radio guys would do pranks on your audience. I always thought that was stupid. Why make your audience that you owe everything to angry but listen to this one? A high school student in New Jersey pulled off a prank where he put up fliers all over his town. I don't know which town it was but all over town small town in New Jersey. Chew Baca roar contest and glued a friend's phone number cell phone number so every time. His friend gets a call. Somebody's going Oh voice. His voice mail is filled up. People are just calling driving. The Guy Crazy What else do we want to talk about here today? Oh police. This is the weirdest story. Did you follow the story about the guy who's been hiding in the ceiling of a grocery store in Washington and the police for some reason can't find him in the ceiling? Was He square scurrying around? Evidently they knew he was up there. Now this is a great big giant grocery store and So it's a big ceiling and all but you would think that a police department somebody could get up there and figure out. He has been up there for weeks and they know that he's been up there. They got him on. Have any other details. He lived up there he did well. It's a grocery store. It is gross. We've got your food water there. But how could they not fall into them? He must not Bruce Willis yet but he must have been scurrying around like a mouse. Yeah isn't that weird? If you had to be locked into a kind of store overnight I think for me I would go with Ikya because you've got it all you've got beds you have okay granted. I hope you like linking berries and meatballs. But you do have some fool die. You're not dust probably water around. There's lots and lots of stuff to look at and do I would. I would be trapped. I would be trapped in an eye KIA. How do I think that's a great idea does does do you think almost everybody's been in an Ikea? I bet there's just many are people that have not been in. That have not been in an everywhere. Now they're not millions. It's still trapped in the eye. They can't find the exit or how to pay. It's an amazing thing to me. That more people aren't stuck over. I know I know that's right. But you're right. They have all of those displays that are set up so nicely with bedrooms rights and blankets. They have if you've never been in their beds all have these lafi down comforters. On them that looks so inviting we got. I didn't know what I was but we got an Iky about ten years ago near us and people went out of their minds. There were people from three states over going. I'm going there for the opening weekend. We're staying in a hotel just like wow what's going on with. This is just for some folks. It is sometimes like in. It doesn't happen very often but if I have a few hours on a Sunday afternoon I'll just go to walk you kidding. I love it. It's weird I know very manilow necks. Get the free Bob and Sheri ask instantly get the podcast the on cast and Bob and Sheri size four thousand we. Valentine's Day is tomorrow and singing that great American standard. My Funny Valentine Off. His new album night songs to is the man. The myth the living legend himself. Barry Manilow who happens to be joining US right now Barry. Manilow welcome to the show that would be me. You are the man that I can't even believe like when Todd said Barry. Manilow is coming on the show. I was like no is still alive. Thought it was like someone had a cat named Barry manilow the Barry Manilow is coming on our show. It is such an honor and pleasure to have you talk to you. Thank you playing the song. Yes it's terrific. I can't wait to get that album. I was first introduced to your interpretations of Americans standards when I got the album Singing with the big bands in the nineties. It was unbelievable version of Moonlight serenade which was love it so much. That was my father's favorite song and you just interpreted it so beautifully. Quake thank you. I love that. Oh I've got. I loved that album so much. So tell us. Tell us about Singing the American songbook the American standards calls you to that music. I'm a songwriter and as a songwriter. These other men that wrote the song those songs the best Coming out of the thirties and forties the Gershwin's Irving Berlin and how Warren's these are the guys that I always go back to when I'm stuck What did they do when they got to? The bridge and You know we don't write like that anymore. But that's those are other great that's the great American songbook all right and A couple of years ago I decided I would do one. And just do a piano and vocal. Let me see what happens if I do that. And we released that one called nine films nominated for a grammy. I thought Oh good he maybe I can do a second one and so that's why I did. I did a volume two But these are songs from the great American selling books for me. That are not overdone. You don't hear these songs. A lot of so many people have done the same songs over and over and I decided that I would go deeper into the song book and see what else might be there and boy. I've found a treasure trolled a beautiful beautiful writing that song It's the first cut. Everything happens to me. That's the sun. You don't hear very often but when I do here it's somewhere. It makes me smile because it nothing year. Kid My life story. Yeah we'll all of them are all of them have got you know. They're just great ideas. Great I guess melodies. I miss it you know I mean yes you know old fashioned and you know we have to move on but They're great to remind everybody is that they were there. Let me ask you You're appearing in Vegas again with the residency ten days. That's right congratulations. Do you look out in the audience and I mean obviously you're going to have people who come to see you year after year but as you're interpreting these great songs from my parents in some people's grandparents era. Do you see younger people who are embracing these beautiful songs. Oh absolutely you know. I've had the same demographic central I'm began. I know it sounds weird but I looked out at the audience back in the seventies and they were young. They were middle-aged and elderly. And I look out at the audience and Vegas and it's the same kind of thing. I think it's the style of music that I make. That appeals to to to everybody if you if you like that kind of music. It's not you know it's it's not A song that only lasts for a for a decade these songs that I'm involved with weakened into England and this one's for you. I mean it should work forever and I think it does. What is your Plan when you write a song. We had Elton John on once and I was surprised that he got the lyrics and he would write to the lyrics. When when you've been writing songs how do you do you? Just pick the melody of thin air and that's about it there's a little more bloodletting than that but the hardest part for me is a song writer is what is the idea After we get the idea and I I work with some great lyric writers once we get the idea. Well then it's kind of fun to write. Let the hard part is what are we saying on? I made it through the rain or Cova. Commando what what what are we? WanNa say During the song. And that's the hard part once we get the idea. Well then the writing of it is kind of fun so you have to have a story really Song Copacabana was. I wanted to write a song that was about like an old nineteen forties. Technicolor usable movie. Yeah Copacabana with ORC. Copacabana is. It's a full story from beginning to end and like so many of your songs it's in the it's the oxygen right. You don't even realize that you know all the words until it comes on my youngest daughter. Berry we're riding in the car and we've got one of her school friends in the back and she's telling me about their dog they have an English bulldog she's sixteen and I said So what is the dog's name and she goes? We named her Lola and my daughter and I looked at each other. My daughter said she was a showgirl. We I looked at them and just busted up because you know they and the two of them immediately launched into the song started singing. It and I thought what an accomplishment as an artist. Things like that demographics that have been with me forever and I think is because I think Copacabana is. You Know Fun Song. And if it doesn't end in the seventies you know it's not it doesn't it's not just the seventies song it's a song that just keeps going. Yes it definitely has legs as your career has. We're going to break very quickly and be back with Barry if you can hang around for just a couple of more minutes and I want to ask you about your voice. It's Bob and Sheri top back to back feature on the Free Auburn Sherry APP and leave us a message. I mean I can't believe it but we have bare metal on show right now. The actual legend the actual very mental. I have a question for you one day on the show. Bob said to me. Did you know that the song the Mandy that Barry manilow singing about his dog? That can't be true? I know where that came from. First of all I didn't write Mandy. Clive Davis my wonderful record producer. At my executive that runs run ran the records That was the first time I met Clive. And he said to me. You need a career making record So I went back and I tried writing a career making single record which is impossible and then he sent me this demo of of a Of A film called Brandy and it was a rock and roll version of Mandy and I made it into a love song anyway. It became so big that the sole writer in England started to get a phone call from the press always Mandy Mandy and he one of them won't come up and he said it's my dog and hold on to the story the story behind the story. That's where it came. I WanNa ask you about Your Voice Berry in listening to this album. You sound the same as you did. In the seventies. What have you done to be able to protect that instrument Because a lot of singers you know they sh- shredded after so many years performing voice should be shredded by now forty some odd years of screaming. I write the songs and hitting a high asked Nashville every night You Know I. It shouldn't be there and I don't. I haven't got an answer for you because I hold my breath In the beginning of the ratio and in the beginning every time I try to make a record and figure okay it's gone now and so far It's not and I haven't got an answer on just one of the lucky guys who've got a skunk thera- lungs or something I don't know I don't take care of it. That will warm up. I'm never been to a singing teacher. You know I just cross my fingers how about for your Vegas residency. Selene Dion you know you have to have certain humidity and temperature you get a piggyback ride to the stage. That kind of thing. No none of. Oh no no no no. I know. I'm just a musician. Who sings a little And that's it and I'm just you know a lucky guy That you know I actually can actually sing into. That's it. Do you still do in the act of a little compilation of all of the jingles. That you wrote when you were Just coming up. Well you know I I tried doing that us. Go and I did that commercials. Medley and it died aghast because nobody remembered any of them they stop playing them and I thought Oh boy this is GonNa be great just the way it always was but since I stopped playing them nobody knew them what I was doing but There are two that they do still play. I am stuck on a band aid and like a good neighbor state farmers there so I do a little piece of both of those That's great yeah. Isn't that great will bury. Thank you so much. Good luck with the Vegas appearances. A bunch of them coming up and the brand new hit nights songs too. That's the brand new one and happy Valentine's Day tomorrow on your back for this. You guys are just great Barry. Manilow Vegas to see him perform dog so refresh you. Someone you love has heart disease. Asthma or cancer. You can't afford to get the flu. Watch for signs of fever and use the EXEGEN. Temporal scanner thermometer used in hospitals scarce Bob and Sheri when they pay the bill The phone is on twenty four hours at eight eight eight B. O. B. S. H. E. R. I eight eight eight two six two seven four three seven and joining us right now on. The phone is Aleisha are you there. Yes Hi how you doing Aleisha. I'm good how are y'all who you're panting like you're nervous. Don't be nervous. It's just US okay. I am a very long time listener. First-time caller with us. Thank you very much. What's going on what's going on in your mouth. Well I heard on your show. A few weeks ago About the very awkward first date where the lady was put in a headlock. Yeah that's right. The Guy had just learned a karate move it was their first date and he just for some reason said headlock. Doing one on you. I felt like there could be there. Could be situations where that would be kind of okay and adorable and Bob felt that there was no first date where he headlock. I would never do something I had a date situation where I was asked to help a guy move a used toilet and so immediately when I heard the headlock story. I thought this is a story. My friends have enjoyed and I think Bob and Sheri would enjoy the story. I want to hear how this dude pulled that off. So it's a first date right It was a day but not a first date all right but nonetheless. There is no date where he used toilet. Come into play. How did he run the scam? So we've been dating for a couple of months and it was unconventional general Just because The whole time we'd been dating there'd been no physical contact whatsoever He said he wanted to take things slow. But there's a difference between taking things slow and not moving at all. Yes that was a little strange to me but I offered to take him out to dinner for his birthday And I showed up at his house. you know some days you feel like you've got your act together and that was one of those days for me at all this. Long Green. Accordion pleated dress. I look like I could have been a backup singer for lady antebellum like I just. It was yeah so And I showed up and I open the door and he said I'm so glad you're here Not You look nice and everything else. So he is he. He's very into home improvement projects he would take a perfectly good room apart just to put it back together. So he He at the time he was redoing his powder room and he immediately asked me if I would help him move He was putting up ship lap and he asked me to help him move the old toilet that he had taken out of the powder room So I'm more helpful than I am. Argumentative I was a bit taken aback. But I hope to me and my greener has helped to move the old toilet After that He had me help him move a King sized mattress We hadn't of course we haven't left for dinner yet. So then finally. After moving those items we left for dinner but every good You know birthday dinner starts with a trip to a home improvement store. That's where we went next And this was. This was my soul moment of redemption for the evening so we got our item and the checkout guy was super chatty and was just kinda talking about you know. What are you going to do this weekend? Blah Blah Blah and I jokingly kind of held up the bag and Unexpectedly the Checkout Guy Kinda gave me the ones over and looked at looked at my date and said. Are you sure that's what you WanNa do this weekend? So that was a moment of redemption for. May just you know. Just kind of on the on the side. I'm going to suspect that. That relationship came to an end quickly. Yeah it did. I mean I'm not a girl like you know that needs to be constantly told that she's got her act together but I'm not a girl who wanted to have to move appliances on date on a regular. I feel like there was something else going on with him. Don't you dare lots of theories floating around so ever? Did you ever kiss him in relationship? You never kissed him. Now you move to toilet for him but you never got a kiss. I'll tell you what if if a woman helps me move a use toilet. Her all right kissing her let it be known throughout the land. Go out past relationship operated and I and I am with Bob Proclamation. Here too for is the same regardless of whether I hope you remember trailer or not. If I'm dating you 'cause that's what separates friendships from relationships that aspect but had he had no desire to be physical with you in any way I think he just you know some people just appreciate the companionship of it all level which is nice. I mean just. We've only known you a short time and we. We would like to hang out with you. So what's happened to him? Has He moved on and found someone else? Or is there something going on there as I think there is like? Maybe he's a romantic or a sexual or whatever I'm not I'm there. The jury is still out on his back story I had known him prior to him to us. Dating and say that you know in italics lightly We we remained friends After after that on some level. But I don't I finally just had to I don't know why you stay with him. That wrong. Viewer with him. A Alicia you were with him for months and there was. There is no kissing. There was no mattress moving but at least is obviously a wonderful person and he must have had some great qualities and you may be in the moment. You appreciate it that he was respectful and taking its was that it at the time you know what what I learned from that personally is He He didn't want anything serious. And what I learned is I'm not a casual girl I I. I'm my friends used to say. If I was superhero relationship girl would be would be my superhero title So that's that's not going to the theaters. I'll tell you right now a leash we're all out of time nine but you've found somebody exciting right yes or no search is still on the search goes on for relationship girl. Well I hope you find him. Relationship girl is played by Kristen. Wig Right her sidekick. Is Kate McKinnon blockbuster? Like bright's there you go. Don't give up leash kind beautiful. But you're strong link bowl that's right you can move up toilet. Serving Kiss are Bob share. Use the talk back teacher Sherry APP and leave us a message. That's right you can do. And we've got a message right now. Sherry from one of our listeners. Hey guys this is. Bill Appear in beautiful stony main period. I wanted to share with you Valentine's present that I am receiving this year period. My wife and I are having a baby being born on Valentine's Day this year period. His name is Elliott. And we're very excited. The ironic thing is is that twelve years to the day. Our Son Andrew was born period. He's very excited to share his birthday with his new baby brother and we couldn't find a better gift to give one another period. We love your show. We listened to you guys each and every day and you guys have happy. Valentine's Day thanks so much for making us laugh. Although sweet that is the most wonderful news and I personally celebrate everyone else who leaves voicemail messages with punctuation. Because I because if you talk text or talk email you get in that habit and it's so hard not to do it period. That was more. There was more periods than Sorority House. Oh twisted he couldn't stop exclamation point. And you know what I'll be discussing it with him later period on one. Oh stop it frowning face. He's so immature. So that that that wonderful gentleman is having a baby wipes having a baby and the first baby was on Valentine's boy. What a coincidence. That's amazing the odds back. What are the odds of that question? Mark New Paragraph Donington is one of the most beautiful hounds at all of it is gorgeous and because of you. I am using excellent exclamation points less frequently because I was overusing them. There he now. I'll use them a lot. Let me just say Comma? I saw someone post the other day on facebook that they're beautiful sweet. Old Precious dog had crossed the Rainbow Bridge. And I see these everyday and it just tears my heart up because it's a terrible kind of grief but a bunch of people commented Vicky. I'm so sorry for your loss. Exclamation point the exclamation point is the celebration of punctuation. For the most part it is you know. Sometimes it can be like for anger emphasis but it seldom is appropriate with grief. That's why we don't use it period and by the way once again. We cautioned everybody. If somebody's grandma passed away. Don't use the crying laughing laughing so hard you gotta Bad Emoji for that as my husband says those little damn yellow tennis ball things you put in my tax but some of them are sad crying. Some of them laughing crying. But let's leave on this note. People are having a baby tomorrow. That's been test data godless. That's thanks for listening to wonderful happy. Valentine's Day to you. You read it once. Believed believe this is Bob and cherries and believe the okay. Check this out when you eat food with your hands. It's more delicious and that's just one of the benefits of eating with your hands. Instead of a Utensil. Except FOR SOUP. Hot Mess Right. They're literally soup. You believe that I don't know why okay so step one. Eating with your hands makes food more delicious. And that means if you're someone who likes to pick up leaves out of your salad Or Dip your finger and things and suck it off your finger. Whatever eating with your hands makes food more delicious? And the theory is is because it's so much more physically interactive you're dealing with smell and sight and taste but now you've got touching there too. I think that's true I'm still I'm still thinking about when you brought us that history lesson about the origination of the fork that back in like I don't know the fifteen hundred sixteen hundred folks in America. The puritans thought that it was So that would be the sixteen hundreds. They thought that the fork was implemented the devil. The puritans were I'll get the fourth OUTTA here. Use Your hands. They want you to use your hands to eat exception to. This is Sushi because I got Sushi to go chopsticks and so we ate it with our hands sticky and it was yes it was very. But you know you're supposed to eat Sushi with your hands. Yeah I know I'm I don't want to And according to some of our fine rockstars you're supposed to eat with your hands off the body of another human beings year. Roy usually the supermodel but wait. There's more there's more to. It just tastes better when you eat with your hands You can have better digestion when you eat with your hands. And that's because The the sensation of touch and all that texture send signals to your brain that tells your body incoming and prepares your body to release digestive enzymes and all these sorts of stuff so it's not just that it tastes better. You're actually going to digest it better. At what point though do we become uncivilized? You know I mean the idea of the fork and knife in the spoon is a nice thing right. Have you ever gone to I Made Kev when we were first dating. And it's important that I have when we were first dating because when I tell you what we did you understand why he's not gone back 'cause now that we've been together for so long. He's not trying to like what was in me over. I took him to a restaurant where there were no utensils at all and you ordered this incredibly delicious food. That is kind of cuisine Ethiopian. So the food is incredibly delicious. But I can't really tell you what all it was and served with this kind of spongy bread. I've had that that I know just what you're taught hair off chunks. The bread arrives. It's the size of like a bedside table. Seriously it's a big enormous pancake looking thing and you tear off chunks of this spongy bread the cat said it have said felt like human flesh to him and then you use that bred to scoop up the food and that's how you eat meat. That's highly do. Yeah I've had I had that in Washington DC. I thought that was Indian food it well. It's not just it's India. The Middle East Africa. I mean lot of cultures around the world like this. This happened to be an Ethiopian restaurant. a friend of mine was with A. He's a kind of a guy. A friend of mine was with me when we went to this restaurant that you're describing with the big doughy bread that they bring out in your sop up the food and He was from a bed stuy and He had never been to anything like this. I've been to a restaurant like this once or twice and we were taken by the female program director who was just all about this sort of food and I remember watching my bed. Stuy photographer friend eat it up and I went when you think. And he goes like eat meat with diaper. Discreet is he was so put off by this food. Because you know he came from like a housing project in the Bronx or was is bets. Tie in the Bronx or Brooklyn. I forget it's in Brooklyn I think not. And you know so it's meat and potatoes there when my Might utter a Livia was in like sixth grade. They had Africa Day at their school. They went to a magnet school language. Magnet school so they would celebrate all of the cultures of the world languages that were taught were spoken. Nice and France is A La- a standard language in Africa South Africa Day. And the teacher. They're going to have a celebration. Africa Music African Dancing African Arts and African food and so my daughter raises her hand. And said I will bring my mom's groundnut stew and Foo foo which I don't know whose mother she was referring to. I had never made groundnut stew and didn't realize what was she reds read. It says she comes home and said I told my teacher that we would bring your famous groundnut stew. Africa day I had to Google it. I had no idea cook it. It took me an entire afternoon of driving around town to find. All the ingredients. Foofoo is like this. Plant this route. That you boil you mash it and you make it into little balls and then you pull off a little piece of food and you make kind of indentation and use it as a scoop for the food science easy to put together. I was up all night making Foo foo which is spelled F. U. F. You and that's how I felt as I did with my own nuts too and it was delicious. Very she got did she. Did she eat the food? She like all kids she had a big idea about the Foo foo but once it came time favorite. Lamar's review sent right to your phone text. You eight hundred eighty five share. Okay Keith. Richards has announced that he stopped smoking that I did. He stopped smoking. I I was trying to figure. Go right isn't that what he stopped drinking a little while ago? These kicked in the smoking. So I'm trying to figure out. I think he's probably been smoking for about fifty five years. 'cause he started as a team. I would imagine you know especially back then he I saw. I've seen photographs. I have like a Rolling Stones History Book and I've seen photographs of him like twenty with a cigarette in his hand. He heard that thing we had on the show last week that it's never too late to quit smoking. The lining of this in the in your lungs though cells are almost magical. Roy You got that right so I guess you got that. It's seventy two or or whatever he is that crack me up when his daughter said we're thinking of putting him in our will seventy five. He's seventy five. We're we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA put it dad in the. Will you know that Keith Richards? Quit smoking. Not for health reasons but because he was bored with it well maybe but I tend to think. It's health right isn't seems like that kind of person to the rolling stones tour so that'll give him a little bit more energy. They're gonNA be going out on tour. Mary was surreptitiously going to buy me tickets to see their one of their concerts. And I saw that they were going on tour and appearing not far from us and a Texter said. I really just don't want to go because it's a it's a great thing. I I just don't want to do the stadium thing anymore if it's a smaller theatre elected CNN. But I I just. I'm not going to do the last. The last time I saw them was in Atlanta at stadium and that was the time this woman in front of me while they were playing she kept turning around and stated sing you whatever mic was singing and pointing like. Mick dozen my face. I don't need that. I don't mind a big stadium. Shove never seen the stones live. I feel like I should see the stones live like that. Feels like an obligation. You have as a citizen about how they that's how they still do it but but the only way. I want to go to a stadium show is if I can get really good seats and I think nosebleed seats are two hundred dollars ticket. It's not GonNa oh. Some of the seats are six hundred. Seventy five dollars. I'm not paying that. So you know between all the aggravation I I just said. I'm going to rent one of the not rent but I can download one of their concerts. There's a million concerts. You can see them perfectly. I just can't pay that much for a concert I have. I have a kid in competition. Dance all the all the Running around wearing tight stuff screaming. That's where that budget goes out. That's that's right that's right. Yeah so he'll pass on that one. It's amazing though seventy five years old. He's still up there. He's still valid when card allies to live. You talk about the last man standing all holy cow you know what though good for them because the the idea that you know there's a certain age or an expiration date on when you get to do you're saying this is all new. Lamar's review sent right to your phone text. Eight eight Bob. Sharing Gus loved month's stuff where you hear these things that married people miss about being single and tell me how this exactly like that. I haven't seen this since I know I've just the dude the show you tell me how many of these MP be honest everyone knows your happily married Blah Blah Blah but be honest about. How many of these you miss and I will be honest. About how many of these I miss and I'll be honest about how many of these I know I don't go fact my husband Mrs Okay. Alright including that. Okay eating whatever the heck you want for dinner yeah. That's true man that person's look at Max Max that is so true especially if you If you get married to a person who has kids and they're living in the same house that's been an experience that I've had gone for ten years because kids are not going to eat what I want to eat with by any stretch of the imagination. I know I miss this because I would a Lotta Times left to my own devices especially if the girls were not home for whatever reason I would just like a baked sweet potato and be done with it. Yeah so I miss this. I have to say my wife is such a great Cook Though. I would miss out on some really good food. You would miss good food because she can really cook. I miss this but you know who misses it. More Mr Kevin because the minute I go out of town. He's having flaming hot cheetos popcorn and beer for dinner. And then telling me when I get home or they'll burn up next. Stop things married. People miss about single things stay. Put exactly where you left them. Yes I'll tell you. Mary lacy misses that Mary Lacy Miss. Because I moved things like to put things away. Yeah it's called Not Tripping over stuff you know that there is there is on Reddit. There's a mom on Reddit who got so sick and tired of things being left around the house that she took dollar bills and tape them to various things like an empty toilet paper. Roll to get somebody to pick it up three weeks. Nothing and there's cash money on it. That's how lazy my family is. That's how lazy the single greatest thing I ever did. His mother was the year that I decided it. Oh we don't like to put things away or recycle the empty cardboard tube or Blah Blah Blah. The entire Christmas tree was decorated with all the crap they remember. I remember when you did that. The raiders maternal. The other thing Mary people miss is coming and going as they please not. You're up to anything but you know not having to report having to report and explain and this is especially true for you because if you take the long way home you get the phone call about debut gone off the road into a ravine all the time she. She thinks that I am incapable a hundred percent of going to the store without driving into a ravine if I'm gone more than forty five minutes. No ravines along. They're not origene within ten miles twenty miles of my said that to her one time. I'm like you know there are no ravines anywhere near you. And she said girl you know him. He'll find one and at that point. I was like you're not completely wrong. I guess yeah seriously. Forty five minutes snow in the phone. Which is you know in a way. It's kind of sweet. Unless unless it's like me with my first husband where are you by any chance in a ravine no darn it? I mean that's good. Yeah Here's another thing. Married people miss about being single being able to freely do stuff. Your partner does not enjoy So I have this figured out in in my in this marriage which I think is a fun thing to say in this marriage. I have this figured out. You WanNa Watch Sports like college football basketball. Whatever you do you I'm going out to A wine bar my girlfriend a place you never want to go and we're both perfectly happy. We're we're pretty much in the same place to she wants to watch a movie on Net flicks sitting up in bed. That's fun and you got some other stuff. I'm out there looking for Rabin's Sleeping alone apparently now accidentally driving doing. He's looking for exactly what she said to herself. That's what I figure winning. That's right sleeping alone. I don't Miss Sleeping alongside travel enough for work that I do get to sleep alone. Also I take up. Eighty seven percent of the bed even when he's in it and when. I'm Outta Town. She's so happy when I'm at attempt because of that that's when I come home like we're away for three or four days. The first thing that she says the me she'll pick me up at the airport. Which is very sweet. I'll say. Hey how you doing. I love sweeping alone. It was wonderful. She's come off the plane. She's right right away right away. Max You know loss. Can you imagine sleeping with us? Can you imagine if we follow you home and put our jammies on image? You sleep with us. She sleeps almost every night with a twitching man whose feed have to be weighed down less they float away sleeping alone ever or you're like me you get your on the road enough to where you get that it's like I don't like to sleep. I liked it there and the dog and the dog not so much but the dog cat is there. Sorry. I'm sorry. Kept people allergic sorry. Let's people are not going. Is He really allergic? You don't know you know what people are saying. Find that ravine Bob that's exactly. Let's pause here. We'll do a few more of these things that married people miss about being single. It's bodmer shares the affair podcast. Bob and Sheri odd cast download the Free Bob and Sheri APP website. Or wherever you get your podcast Bob and Jeri. We're talking about things that married people say they miss about being single. You know like eating whatever you want for dinner and having the whole bed to yourself. That sort of thing Being able to come and go as you please without having to explain you know why you're late or why you're going to the mall again or whatever This next one is really true for me but this this is a function of being a parent more than it is being a married person having time just for yourself like. I have almost no time just for myself. I really don't and that'll change someday. I'll have all the time in the world for myself but I don't right now so Last weekend I was at a dance competition with my daughter. And she's Oh she's an older dancer now and there are a lot more self sufficient their schedules. Parents aren't quite as necessary as they were when she was younger. I have to be there. We're out of town in a different state and she's not able to get a hotel room but I don't have to be there. The guy used to So I'm telling my husband who's home with all the animals drama MC these dance competitions dance competition was at the beach and the sun was shining in the sky was blue and after miss thing went off to shuffle ball change. I had starbucks. I walked for an hour and a half on the beach while listening to music in my headphones. Sweep that night after we did the big dance family. Dinner and bonding thing back to the hotel porta glass of wine took a bubble bath watched three episodes of the office on my IPAD. Kevin this dance. Competition is a nightmare. GotTa do it. I got five years worth of pampering me time in twenty four hours. You can do that sometimes when you were if you catch it just right. Well I've been home. I would have been doing laundry in exactly this next. One is very true for a lot of people and true for us to away because of the way our job is and how much travel we do married. People say they miss being able to just focus on the work they need to do without feeling guilty. Yeah that is true. I feel so tech especially you. You do so much more with Charities and everything you really. I'm always apologizing a lot and a lot of times. They'll say woman. I am really glad to have some time to just watch this game but I feel bad you. Don't you feel bad like you said that anytime. You Deprive Mary of three days or more of your company. It just feels wrong to you yet. I brought that up to her. Not Not that long ago and she said let me set your mind at ease and then she started detailing how. It was not bad when I was away. I'd stop her. I mean the list went on hurting your feelings. Did you tell her? At that? Point that you were gone out ravine hunting and it was close. I was close. I think this next one has Mr Max written all over it watching television without judgment or interruption. Yes yes see at our house you watch whatever you want. We have enough rooms and just go and especially now. You can watch netflix anywhere. And I mean you could be in the bathroom watching it. So it's not like Oh who's got the TV like growing up as a when I look back on it with that one crappy TV in the living room and There was there was a small couch and my father's chair so I mean you talk about buzzed bus kills. I'll have some show that I just think is a great detective show or something on right. And every once in a while he he put the paper done goes. What are you watch this crap? Just my husband assumes everything. I'm watching involves zombies. So he'll walk into the room and he'll be like zombies. We'll know baby. This is love it or listed. I mean it's close but as you can tell by looking at the people on screen. They're not the walking down although that guy sometimes a little bit. Yeah decorating your own space. Married people missed that. Let me do that with this house. I can't complain having to compromise about what restaurant you go to. I've given up on that pastas yet. But no she'll say you. Can you tell us route tonight? I'll the affair odd. Cast a Bob and Sheri odd cast download on the free Bob and Sheri APP website. Wherever you get your podcasts Jerry. So I don't know if this is all that accurate it's from a website called high speed Internet dot COM. They do a weekly. I'm sorry yearly. Look at the safest and the most dangerous states for online dating so if you're cruising tinder looking for Valentine's Day date heads up. The results are based on how likely you are to get scammed. How much money scammers have stolen from people and Sd rates in each state? So last year. No yeah I know what's the safest safest state last year was Vermont? As a matter of fact it was safest for two years in a row but this year. It's number two. The Safest State for dating in America is main. Congratulations mainers there you go. I think Maine people are pretty straight up unless you find yourself in Stephen King's fictional town of dairy where they're maniacal clowns in the sewers and vampires and everything places perfect but for the most part I feel like main people tell you how it is. And here's the rest of the listing the safest state's online dating in two thousand twenty our main West. Virginia Vermont actually is third West. Virginia's second and Kentucky New Hampshire South Dakota North Dakota Idaho Nebraska and Iowa. Here are the ten riskiest states for online dating Alaska. Nevada California North Carolina Maryland Colorado Virginia Washington New York. And of course Florida Florida. Yeah so what surprises you there Alaska to that of all time. That was the most surprising. Because you know you say California and it's a wonderful place. It's a great state but it's so big it's so diverse there's GonNa be some craziness going on right in Florida. Obviously you know it's an interesting state. People in Alaska like wired to be helpful in neighborly and friendly and the nights are long winters are cold. Just thinking like that would be an optimal place so that's your heads up for the riskiest and the best places the date online and here as we approach. Valentine's Day from PR. News wire are It's it's it's a collection from a website called fit smart business dot com. They came up with The worst Valentine's Day gifts people have posted online from last year. A break-up seven percent of people who were this think say they were dumped by somebody on Valentine's Day which to me is like hey bud come on. You couldn't give it one more day had do that. There's Allenton stay now. Is always going to be a bad memory for her. There's a new expression called Valentine leading to you. Know what that means. No means breaking up with someone right before Valentine's Day so you don't have to spend the money on them because you're not you're not really into it you just don't WanNa have to hit the pocket or how much you really spending. It's not so much if I were going to be doing that. It would not be the money as much as it would be all the performing this adult performance. Do you really like it. Yeah I gave a lot of thought to that purse Here's another one. That's somebody got the Huggy Graham. Which is an arm shaped pillow? That hugs a purse. I want then my house a Wendy's drive-thru meal a wild squirrel. How did you catch? Actually my wife will probably didn't we do within. The squirrels were pets at one time. Like in the seventeen hundred. Yeah well my wife's Adopted a few that were wild squirrel firm. I know that's that's what my My dog would be saying because he after six years he's never been able to Dog Treats when the person doesn't have a dog. I don't know why you would do that. 'cause you're adding that. Gwyneth Paltrow special candle that one clothing for to like a two person snuggle or a sweater. I've never no no. I've never dated a man that would get us a two person smoggy or swearing you good for you. Which but bob what would you do? Let's say that you and Mary had were dating about six months. And here comes Valentine's Day and she gets to persons snuggie and wants to spend a Sunday afternoon watching hallmark movies in the two persons Snuggie Star euphonium enough to ride it out. I'd start smoking again. And then just say. Dropped the cigarette on it. You're you know what you're going to do it. Your and this is respect your phony enough to do a Sunday afternoon to personally. I knew when we're watching. Whatever she wants you've only been dating six months. She makes funny faces. Max is he not phony enough for the two percents yagi hallmark movie marathon She's GonNa she's GonNa Throw it away after about two days. You know why. I'm GONNA get knowing. Do you know what I mean. Yeah because I mean I'm right there. I'm right there. I mean we're here. Anyway she can throw it away and I don't have to smoke again Somebody got tweezers for Valentine's Day that sense of passive aggressive and finally a toilet street seat that sounds passive aggressive to say that. Sounds like maybe you should have just dumped that person. Done the Vallon tidying thing. It's Bob and Sheri us the talk back to back each time. The Free Auburn Sherry APP and leave us a message. Friend of Mine Imprac to friends of mine Their son is getting married in about a month or so. And it's it's kind of a destination wedding. They live there but a lot of their family does not. They live in southern California and a lot of their family including the parents live on the east coast. So it's a big deal for people to fly there to go to sweating. It's a real. It's a real commitment as a destination wedding and I guess that's kind of what it would be for people on the East Coast in the Mid West to fly to Los Angeles I was going. I was just about to get my ticket. And then you and I were booked for an appearance Meeting listeners and so I am unable to go. I feel badly about that. I am looking at what is probably the worst destination wedding that has ever been held. It was just posted on. Read it A friend of somebody is having a wedding in Cancun Mexico okay. The bride and the groom are not just asking people to fly to Mexico to pay for their hotel and to take time off work because the wedding is on a Monday their guests also have to through a time share presentation. That is the nightmare. Well you know why I bet the couples getting all deal. GotTa deal that many people awaiting expensive thing you gotta give them points for creativity. I them nothing. That's so horrible. And this copy and it says right now. It's not clear if that was part of the deal for the couple to get married at the hotel. Oh yes it was. That was a major part of it. They had to they had to provide. I Dunno twenty people or whatever. How could you do that? How could you ask people to fly their spend all that money on the hotel and then sit through a pressure? Pack time share presentation. That's going to go on for at least two hours. I could then take the tour. I couldn't ask that of people that I loved now as phony as I can be. I don't think I can sit through a time share presentation like I'm interested. I don't think you give yourself enough credit if there if you were if the incentive was right if the reason that you were sitting through that time share presentation was right. I believe you are phony enough to pull that off like a champ. Thank you you are welcome. And I mean that they're in other words. If I knew that this couple they really wanted to be in Cancun. This means the world to them. Yeah and this is. This is part of the deal. You could do it in fact. There is almost no scenario in the world that I don't believe you are incapable of being phone enough. Pull off thank you very much. I really appreciate that. That is a beautiful view. Wow Gosh I mean you can't see the ocean But what if you blur your eyes? You don't see the parking lot and are those mountains in the background. That is something you're you're capable of almost anything and that is a compliment. I think your ability to turn that on and be the funniest thing going as it's like social Ky. Man You could just get through any social situation. Social K Y you know. I never thought of myself that way but their third times worse so uncomfortable that you're like is the is the buffs social jar. I can I. May I ask a question the pool? It's so big and there's only like three or four people that are sitting around it is like oh it is. It's that way most of that. Well that's that's a plus for us. We've had a handful of situations in our career that have been so awkward awkward. I just I look at you. It's all a man squeezed harder and get in there because it is all you thank you so much for supporting show. I. I've always very clean and out to do an appearance here. It's just so much fun for me. I'd met some listeners. That would otherwise thank you. Hey thank you so much for listening to the bobbing sorry podcast. And the Bob and Sheri odd cast. We would love if you would subscribe rate and review and share it with a friend on facebook twitter instagram. Wherever you go and thank you again for listening.

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SONG "Agnes' Library!" - The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

11:52 min | 1 year ago

SONG "Agnes' Library!" - The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

"Tom This song is called Agnes Library and and the song is about Agnes. And it's about the library quite Agnes Library is not the name of the library. That's that's just the name of the soul. And that's why I called this song Agnes Library. You can check out books bolt at Agnes Library. You can check out coops Folk Frey and act this please library you just walk writing. It isn't just make sure you don't forget your library card. You can check out books for free at Agnes Library now. This story started one. Thanksgiving go was on a one year ago on Thanksgiving giving when me and my My Buddy fidget had the day off and we decided to return book to actress at the Library. Now Agnes doesn't live in the Library Korea. She lives over on El Prado road with the cat. Frankie but you see three weeks bryant in this even after the miserable experience I had the first time might visited the library. I decided I would give the library. One more. Chance is so three weeks prior to Thanksgiving on this day I went to the library. I prairie and checked out a book on the life and Times of very men and it just so happens that the book came do on Thanksgiving Day. Now being the skinflint that I am I didn't want to incur any late fees so me and fidget decided to drop off the library book before heading home for a big Thanksgiving dinner where we hopped into the car and on the way over to the library we witnessed too long head gentlemen in a red VW microbus with shovels and rakes and other implements of destruction in the back of it throwing bags of garbage over the side of small fifteen foot cliff that was on on the side of a side road in town where I immediately called officer Obie on my cell phone and reported them and he said he would look right right into it and after we did our civic duty deny continued on to the library now upon our rival the library we saw big sign the front door of the library saying closed for Thanksgiving well. I'd never heard of a library being closed on Thanksgiving before so with T.. He is in my eyes. I stood there in front of the library knowing full. Well with the library being closed at all I would indeed incur late late fees for not returning the biography of Barry Manilow by the due date the total amount of which would have to come out of my personal money it was then digit who is not quite grasping. The severity of the situation and pointed to the book return in front of the library down by the streets and said that I can merely return the biography. Barry manilow there and having returned it to the library on Thanksgiving I would not incur any late fees. That would have to be paid out of my personal money. He then added the words you big baby to his previous statement about returning the book and the book richer ignoring the the epithet fidget had added to his previous statement. I picked myself up from the prone position I had thrown myself. Dry Tears came Eh. Walked over to the book return now upon grasping the handle of the book return and Colin Course of me. I quickly realized that like the Thanksgiving Turkey Simmering in the microwave back my secret lair. This library book return was stopped stuffed full of books that other people had checked out three weeks ago and would do on Thanksgiving other people who would return math books due date and would not have to incur late fees tapis. That would have to be paid out of their personal money. So feed you deny sadly returned back to the secret glare and sadly Lee had said Thanksgiving did well the day after Thanksgiving. They denied returned to the library. With the biography of Berryman address his was there and she did indeed fight for late return of the books despite me telling her the story about the library being closed and the book return and being full and showing her the twenty seven eight by ten glossy pictures I had taken up the full book return with circles and Arrows and and a paragraph on the back of each photo that I used as evidence by case I was fine. Ten cents full amount of which was to a meeting coming with I granted and I raised and I I jumped up and down and Agnes said that she was finding me to teach me a lesson about responsibility deep and borrowing the libraries property with I granted Raves Samal. I didn't fidget. took a dime out of his sock shaped wallet and paid access active apologizing to her for my behavior and once again adding the words big baby to a statement it was then I decided once Sir all I was done with libraries. But that's not what I came to talk to you about. I came here today to talk to you about having getaway plan you see one day. After the library incident vigia deny went back in time to fourteen ninety two to steal. Christopher Columbus's Missus spyglass the you know the spyglass that he used to scan the horizon looking for land on his voyage. Well fidgeting I made a type jump disguised I staw- cells as a barrel and hit out on the deck of the ship and waited for just the right moment to swipe sense by glass from Christopher Christopher Columbus and then returned to present day and seven Todd Ebay. Well we waited and wait and I waited and waited for days Auden for just the right time and not wants to ring any of that time. Did we see Christopher Columbus. It was then that vision and for that we were on the wrong books that Christopher Columbus had three boats and he was not on this one will alive was enraged and I began ranting and raving. It and bridget told me to meet Wyatt less. We be found out he then added another epithet the full details of which I will spare you from but suffice to say it contain the word baby and it will about that time we were indeed found out by the crew crew of the ship that we were on who convinced that fidgeted I were stowaways. I told them that we would not stowaways. But we're in fact a barrel averill make us who had had a mishap at the barrel manufacturing place. Well they did not believe my story one bit. Even after I showed who des that twenty seven eight five ten glossy pictures of the full book returned with the circles and arrows that have paragraph on the back of each one that I still had in my pocket from that day at the library feature explained to me that the pictures would do no good here and then he had just about the nicest nicest epithet. He's ever called me cheese will. I thanked Richard for thinking so highly by mental intellect. And he mutters back. Something or other about Sarcasm Ido. No I wasn't paying attention but the next thing you know the crew had all this up out of the barrel and we found ourselves ourselves surrounded by a bunch of angriest looking salas you'd ever seen in your entire life. Well that's when I realized I needed to get away implant. I came up with one. And that's why I'm singing you this song right now because perhaps you feel somewhat who needs to get away or perhaps one day you need to get away plan yourself you know say odds nemesis. Has You trapped off. You're surrounded by a whole bunch of the angriest angriest looking Salas you've ever seen in your life or your older brother has told you to clean up his room and he's threatening to give you what cookie if you joke. Do it Fred's if you find yourself in any of these situations you just do what I did on that very day. You Walk Right up two of them right in the eye and you get a big smile on your face. Then you say the very phrase that I said that day on the ship you can check out books for free at Agnes Library and then you run as fast as you can the opposite direction. Or if you're like me and have access to what type space travel device. You make time back to your home and then you hide under your bed for for the rest of the afternoon. But if you say that phrase friends your arch nemesis or a bunch of angry sailors or your older brother books stand end there and stare at you dumbfounded because they will have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and that's it the evil mastermind. Dr Steve Thieves Agnes his library getaway plan a patent pending. And just. So you'll remember it. I want you to signal log with me the next time it comes around outdoor guitar. Alright okay erupts now. Gamma Stafford up. Play the giving your check back down and Agassi's library you can check out also green is this guy is just. Make sure you don't forget your library. You can check out every are- every Oh that was just plain horrible. Do you believe in. WanNa get away. Look you've gotTa Sing it loud. Look I've I've been singing this song here for the past ten minutes and I'll sing it for another ten minutes I will. I'm not proud tie so I want you to sing nice loud in four part harmony the next time it comes around okay here we go all together now one two three year Panjang now on his accent late fees you can check out. Green is very he just walked right. Just hope you can check out books. Very talkative agnes. Exit Dodd Act is a so.

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SONG "Agnes' Library!" - The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

11:52 min | 6 months ago

SONG "Agnes' Library!" - The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

"Phone this song is called agnes library and the song is about agnes. And it's about the library liked Agnes library is not the name of the library. That's just the name of the soul. And that's why. I called this song agnes library. You can check out books. Bolt at agnes library. You can check out coupes folk frey and act. This is library. You just walk writing. It isn't just make sure you don't forget your library card. You can check out books for free at library now. This story started one. Thanksgiving go was on a one year ago on thanksgiving when me and my My buddy fitchet had the day off and we decided to return book to actress at the library. Now agnes doesn't live in the library Over on l. Product road with the cat. Frankie but you see three weeks bryant in this even after the miserable experience i had the first time i visited the library. I decided i would give the library. One more. Chance is so three weeks prior to thanksgiving on this day. I went to the library and a book on the life and times of berry men and any too so happens that the book came. Do on thanksgiving day now. Being skinflint that i am. I didn't want to incur any late fees so me and fidget decided to drop off the library book before heading home for big thanksgiving dinner where we hopped into the car and on the way over to the library we witnessed too long head gentlemen in a red vw microbus with shovels and rakes and other implements of destruction in the back of it throwing bags of garbage over the side of small fifteen foot cliff that was on the side of a side road in town where i immediately called officer obie on my cell phone and reported them and he said he would look right into it and after we did. Our civic duty deny continued on to the library now upon our ribot the library. We saw big sign on the front door of the library. Saying closed for thanksgiving. Well i'd never heard of a library being closed on thanksgiving before so with t. Is in my eyes. I stood there in front of the library knowing full. Well with the library being closed at all i would indeed incur late fees for not returning the biography of barry manilow by the due date the total amount of which would have to come out of my personal money it was then pitcher who is not quite grasping. The severity of the situation pointed to the book return in front of the library down by the streets and said that i could nearly return the biography. Barry manilow there and having returned it to the library on thanksgiving i would not incur any late fees. That would have to be paid out of my personal money. He then added the words. You big baby. To his previous statement about returning the book the book richer ignoring the epithet fidget had added to his previous statement. I picked myself up from the prone position. I had thrown myself. Dry tears came. Ed walked over to the book return now upon grasping the handle of the book return and colin course of me. I quickly realized that. Like the thanksgiving turkey simmering in the microwave back at my secret lair. This library book return was stopped stuffed full of books that other people had checked out three weeks ago and would do one thanksgiving other people who would return math books due dates and would not have to incur. Late fees navies. That would have to be paid out of their personal money. So you deny sadly returned back to the secret clare and sadly had said thanksgiving well. The day after thanksgiving day tonight returned to the library with the biography of berryman address was there and she did indeed five be pogo late. Return of the books despite the telling her the story about the library being closed and the book return things full at showing her the twenty seven eight by ten glossy pictures. I had taken up the full book return with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each photo that i used as evidence by case i was fine. Ten cents full amount of which was to a meeting with i granted and i raised and i i jumped up and down and agnes said that she was finding me to teach me a lesson about responsibility and borrowing the libraries property with i ranted and raved samal. I didn't fidget. Took a dime out of his sock shaped wallet and paid access apologizing to for my behavior and once again adding the words big baby to a statement it was then i decided once and for all i was done with libraries. But that's not what. I came to talk to you about. I came here today to talk to you about having getaway plan you see one day after the library incident fidget. I went back in time to fourteen. Ninety two to steal christopher columbus's spyglass the you know the spyglass that he used to scan the horizon looking for land on his voyage. Well fidgeting i made a type jump disguised ourselves as a barrel and hit out on the deck of the ship and waited for just the right moment to swipe sense by spyglass from christopher columbus and they'd return to present day and seven todd ebay. Well we waited and wait and wait and wait for days auden for just the right time and not wants to ring any of that time. Did we see christopher columbus. He was then that vision and for me that we were on the wrong books that christopher columbus had three boats and he was not on this one will live was enraged and i began ranting and raving and vigil told me to meet wyatt lest we be found out he then added another epithet food details of which i will spare you from but suffice to say it contain the word baby and it will about that time we were indeed found out by the crew of the ship that we were on. Who convinced that fidgeted. I were stowaways. I told them that we would not stowaways. But we're in fact a barrel make us who had had a mishap at the barrel manufacturing place. Well they did not believe my story one bit even after. I showed them that. Twenty seven eight by ten glossy pictures of the book returned with the circles and arrows that have paragraph on the back of each one that i still had in my pocket from that day at the library feature explained to me that the pictures would do no good here and then he had just about the nicest epithet. He's ever called me cheese will. I thanked pitcher for thinking so highly by mental intellect and he muttered back. Something or other. About sarcasm. I no. I wasn't paying attention. But the next thing you know the crew had all this up out of the barrel and we found ourselves surrounded by a bunch of angriest looking salas you'd ever seen in your entire life. Well that's when. I realized i needed to get away plant and i came up with one. And that's why i'm singing you this song right now because perhaps you feel somewhat who needs to get away or perhaps one day you need to get away plan yourself you know say odds nemesis. Has you trapped off. You're surrounded by a whole bunch of the angriest looking salas you've ever seen in your entire life or your older brother has told you to clean up his room. And he's threatening to give you what cookie. If you do it fred you find yourself in any of these situations. You just do what i did on that very day. You walk right up to of them right in the eye and you get a big smile on your face. Then you say the very phrase that i said that day on the ship you can check out books for free at agnes library and then you run as fast as you can in the opposite direction. Or if you're like me and have access to what type space travel device. You make time back to your home and then you hide under your bed for the rest of the afternoon. But if you say that phrase friends your arch-nemesis or a bunch of angry sailors or your older brother books. Stand there and stare at you dumbfounded. Because they will have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and that's it the evil mastermind. Dr steve agnes his library getaway. Plan a patent pending. And just. so you'll remember it. I want you to signal log with me the next time it comes around on guitar. All right okay erupts now. Gamma stafford up. Play the giving him. You're good jack. Also agassi's library. You can check out also. Green is my very time. Just make sure you don't forget your library. You can check out every every oh that was just plain horrible. Do you wanna get away. Look you've gotta sing it loud look. I've been singing this song here for the past ten minutes and i'll sing it for another ten minutes i will. I'm not proud tie. So i want you to sing. Nice loud it four part harmony the next time it comes around. Okay here we go all together now. One two three year panjang now is accent late fees. You can check out. Green is very just hope. You can check out books every talk. This exit dodd. Act is a so.

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EP 008 - VOCAL COACH DEBRA BYRD

Idol Memories with Nigel Lythgoe

50:26 min | 9 months ago

EP 008 - VOCAL COACH DEBRA BYRD

"Hello I'm Jalisco and I was the executive producer of popstars. My idol puff idol an American idol. And these are my idol memories. Hi there and welcome to my podcast. Hopefully, you've subscribed to my idol memories and more importantly you've rated us your old probably aware that I was a dancer many years ago well, after forty years of throwing my body around I managed to screw up five disks in my cervical spine, which is now all held together by a titanium plate an every morning I used to wake up with a stiff neck and and really tight leg muscles. That is until I found Thera- one CBD products. Now, I use a thing called revive. It's a CBD body bomb and it's meant to warm and e stiff and sore muscles. It's designed basically to ease all of the areas that need it most from a muscle strain in the gym to attack neck, and it just lightens an it's any sort of acute discomfort that you have. I also used soothe, which is a C. B. 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Several one is likely to do a gain buy one, get one free at Thera Gun, dot com slash idol but only until Labor Day go right now to Thera- gun dot com slash idol enjoy. Today. It gives me a great deal of pleasure to be able to provide you with an insight into what was happening behind the scenes which you would not have known whilst watching the first season of American idol. One of the most important things are singles needed on American idol was their voice. Now I know that sounds flippant. But the fact is they was singing for five to six hours every single day. When they weren't singing, they were talking to the press or recording commercials. It put an enormous strain on their voice on top of that nerves played a big part in tightening up that vocal chords. This often led to a situation where many of them look like they would lose their voice. It was only with the help of my next guest along with our resident doctor Dr as Airy that we managed to get. So many of the singers through this demanding and grueling competition. classically trained from the age of twelve. This Cleveland Native had experienced Opera Gospel RB and pop in her professional career having also performed in numerous Broadway shows a professional qualifications were impeccable. Add to this her natural warmth charisma and understanding, and you have a perfect senior vocal coach and arranger for American idol. Because of her own experiences, the empathy she had with the contestants certainly resonated with them and thereby provided trust help and support. She is an American idol hero of mine please. Welcome. Bud. Thank you I'm so happy to be here with you night of thrilled of to ask you though you know we we always knew you affectionately on the show as bird was that just also that always you nickname I grew up being called birds bird in various forms some as a kid I was called tweet. Thirty so I was always called bird and I am because I sang people thought I made it up or you're just making it up because you saying you know my dad's names birds last is bird and so for some reason, people just stuck with Birch and on American idol's first season there were a lot of debris and Debbie's right I think there were six of us. And I always thought it'd be it would be awkward for me to say to one of the contestants. Okay. Now, you're going to have to go and speak to Debbie, and then after you speak to deputy state stage-managed, then you're gonNA have to speak to debbie the sound lady. Then you have to speak to Debbie who's assistant a The too many deb's rose just easier to save bird. Totally. Understand that. Of course with my name there in very, very few Nigel's on any production I've ever been on Debbie. Tell me how did your own career as an artist including your work with Barry Manilow and your own group lady flash how did that affect how you helped and coached Al Contestants? Well. Being an artist on our s O Paulo polydor label as part of a three girl group Flash, and before coming around the world with Barry. Manilow, he was our producer toured with Bob Dylan and Fergal Sharkey just to name a few people. And having performed. And five Broadway shows and not to mention nominee off Broadway shows but being a vocal ranger for shows and concerts made me very confident in what I brought to idol. Ryan. I was not a vocal coach I was not coaching period. I was performing all the time and I got a reputation in New York for being in shows and singers would have a hard time they go. Oh, go to bird she'll fixing just. Addressing them door she'll fix it. So all of this experience really went helped you coach these kids number one, it gave you the confidence to be able to do it absolutely as a performer I've been them. That was something that I would always say to this thing is I know what you're going to I've been you I've done that have competed I've had people critique me and all that stuff. So I know what they're they've been going through I. Remember seeing you sing with Barry Manilow I. Think the track was. I know I'll never love this way again the Diem Warwick Nnamdi. Yes it was one of the duets that I did with him. And also, you may not remember this but Barry Manilow came to the UK. His tour came to the UK and we were at the London Palladium, right and fast forward I remember a named the show and you told me Oh, belts my show it was probably Sunday night at the London playdium. Television show. Try and I did many shows that in actual fact, my very first television shows dancer was on the London played him stage my goodness because Berry and I was we were standing on stage just marveling at being Americans in just being on the stage at the London Palladium, we were very impressed fabulous theater when Barry came on the show how did that make? You feel I was very proud that he was there because I know that you and Ken rubrics excited about having him there. And he didn't WanNa go on the show he he looked at he did watch it is an I don't WanNa go on I don't WanNa see the show until his friends began calling him about this Singer who looked like him clay Aitken. Then he became excited about it. Okay. I'll do it. I'll do, and then when he was on I knew all the songs of course and you had him do something and at his suggestion that was very wise. And that was. Very manilow said, I don't want these singers to sing my arrangements. He said they're thirty years old. He said, I don't even want to hear them I want to Redo the production, the tracks for every singer so you gave him. Two weeks to put the arrangements together in the tracks together for each singer was absolutely brilliant. I. Don't think you've done it before or sense never never. But you know we had to fly the kids out to Vegas to do the initial key setting the keys and everything else and I was surprised that he flew himself back to Los Angeles to be there for the recording of the kids to help them to coach them with you and this was off his own bat. Because he cared so much number one for is music. I'm sure but also for each of the contestants and that left me with a great deal of respect both for his musicianship and for him as a person Oh, yeah he's quite a musician I always would say to him his greatest talent in addition to all the hit records he's got. I always him. His greatest talent was as an arranger show because he could always hear a different way and I think it's part of my Karma Debbie with artists who can hear a song one way then take it and flip it into a different way. Bob Dylan is like that I toured with him as well. So I got a chance to experience that with Barry Manilow and with Bob Dylan So that's one of the things that I was so happy to bring to idle because we the first time we did that was with David, Cook Right, and David. David Cook took Michael Jackson songs and made them ballots. But don't get a barry manilow was also Bette Midler as. Musical director for many years and he's the only guy I think that can take a song and put it through about five different keys. Is a remarkable musician. tell me which of the contestants that you remember across the series did not take your advice. And what did you do about that? Well. Season One. there was a singer named Jomar Simmons I think I didn't know his last name. It was Simmons was it I think me knew him as Gemma We thought he just must have had a horrible loss team so we never told us. Demar season one, I remember he was singing a singles careless whisper. Try. Well, he shouted it and I said him in the Rehearsal Jemaat you sing great I think you should lower the Kea have step because it sounds as if you're shouting and he said Ono singing like all the time I can pull it off I can do it. I said. Would you do me a favor and test drive? A hair a half step down. And he did and he said I wanna see an individual key. He said I promise you but I can pull it off now. Of course, the critique that shot that that Simon Cul said was you shouted the song and needed to know fast forward. Of course, he was eliminated. Fast forward when we did the American idol and Vegas Season One. When you brought the top thirty back. And he looked at me. He didn't say, hello, he didn't hug me. He looked at me and he said I should've changed the key I should listened to you and I just started laughing. Because I'm sure he thought about it for months and months after that must be. It must have yeah it had to because it was on his mind heavily who was the best contestant that you had that really listen to you well, you know. I think they all really listen to me because I I would say to each of them. Thank you for trusting me. Right, because it is a trust factor because they come in with their own sensibilities, my mom loves it when I sing it this way you know my family is really into my school loves it but I would save to each of them This is new arena. You've never been here before and they they would hear that So there were a lot of them. I would say I would say ninety nine percent. Would trust me and take my advice because they the phrase that would would stick with me that singers would say, Oh, you're the professional I have to trust you. So that was kind of cool. Yeah. Were you shocked because obviously you know I've spoken about this. A lot of America had never really had the type of critiques that Simon Cal was giving. Were you shocked by what he used to say to the kids? Yes, it was shocking. In that and with me being an audition owner and having auditioned people have been on both sides of the table. I remember remarking that America has never heard critique like that. and that was quite a shock to everyone system. I remember people were very upset about it though the listening public families were upset I remember that there were threats, death threats to the studio I remember having to get out of my car because my car had to be searched. What before I could come on the lot and that was a big deal and we all lined up and you had to get out get out of the car, open the trunk someone with the security look in our cars look in our trunks before they will let us through the gates because of people being upset with the critiques that Simon was giving an and what they thought somebody was going to attack Simon. Well. Let me tell you the truth. The threats came from me and Paula Abdul I. Think. Did you create that night? I'm pleaded the fifth. I'll tell me something looking back. What did you most love about doing American idol? This is gonNA sound Corny. I loved every thing about it the good the bad and the ugly. It was just the most extraordinary new thing. And it became people people began. Loving the show so much. And the it was hard. It was very hard work. And I remember putting in seventeen hour days every day. Yeah. I remember US someone in editing said. You were here when I left last night. And you're here before me getting in the next day. But that's because I wanted to be right of one of the singers to have the advantage and one of the things that you imprinted on me. Was that you wanted to sing it was all about the singer period, but they need what they want to make them. Look good everything it took. So that means that musically I wanted to give them the arrangement that suited their heart and their talent and their sound, and making sure that they can navigate this craziness. There was interviewing in wardrobe and rehearsals and dancing and recording. It was in staging was quite a quite a thing quite a task put on these singers and I, loved every second of it. Yeah. Yeah. To go to say it's the best show I've ever done the most gratifying and and just being able to work with some of those really talented kids but but. I'll tell you what you used to annoy me that is we'd obviously spend a lot of time choosing the songs with them. They've finally say yet this is what I want to sing, and then of course that we have to go to the ranger and arranger would make the arrangements for the orchestra and then sometimes the day before the show they wanted to change this song and it was a crazy time to try and get everything back together again and send new music out to the ranger and get everything back in time because you want to give them the same opportunity as everyone else it had. But that happened a number of times that must have been annoying for you to absolutely It would be painful and. Let. Me Tell you what I love. You just brought something to my mind. especially. When they didn't like the song to they want to change it. But they're not really sure what the change is going to be you and I would do a basic floor show. We would sing and dance. Okay. This is how this goes and it's dramatic and it's got high note is added on it, and then we'd have to do another song. Then we go all over again, we debt dance and you and Kenny and I would just be dancing and singing and the citizenry go now I don't like that and we all over again and it will take hours and hours until we would finally hit paydirt with something. And there was quite a celebration honey did. But Oh, my goodness that was was painful I mean I think I've told you this but I I made the mistake in England of telling you what to sing and when she got cut. She said Oh Nigel. told me that. So I always swore that I would never ever. Tell anybody else what to sing again but I would offer them as much as I could and. Really embarrassing. Well, you know it's a great policy because The singers are in. So they're so tense there. So nervous and they would be glad to throw you under the bus at a settlement at any given moment. It's not my fault. She May Birds Fall Bird made me do this. So I I I thank you for putting that into play immediately from the beginning a I'll be honest with you. I was amazed at how little music from the past that the American kids new I mean British kids had a much bigger. Story of choose in the heads up until a nearly all American tunes after say up until about the sixties when of course, the British bands took over it. But he I remember as a as I'm sure you do of even telling fantasia about Gershwin's summertime should never ever heard before a lot of them had never heard of a so many songs throughout the fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties, which I was shocked at Yes American radio is very categorize, right? It's are and be it's country or it's rock. It's it's just in those slots and when you turn on your radio, if you're not into country of you hear country songs like I don't want to hear that. If hear rap, you don't WanNa hear that then you then you just generate to that one lane of musical thought. Whereas in in England, I love listening to the radio because I lived there for a little shortwhile and everything was played on one station. They wouldn't just be have just have one lane. So I think it's a product of that and also the singers were products of what their parents listened to. And the parents that same sensibility so say, okay, we are an eldest house. We only listen to Elvis all the time. So Young that is shocking and Oh and I'm Ami to say to unite one of my proudest moments because before doing the show I lived in New York for so long being part of the New York singers and actors situations, situations. There I remember a friend of Mine Sang Ho you got that. American idol. GIG. You'll get a chance to teach them some songs because they don't know Music History Roy and I always tell that in my heart because that's my whole thing is I teach a singer today teach them music who has Ella Fitzgerald, who who was Rosemary Clooney who are these people? Why do people love their So I love that was part of my mission that I took on myself so that I can educate the songs. Of. By mission to which is why we went from the forties through fifty sixty seventies eighties. And into the new millennium, but an a big but. They often chose the wrong song for them I, I, remember Rhodesia Eaves, and she chose to sing. the monkees cheer up Sleepy Jean Daydream Believer Adrian Believer and she tried to give it well, what Randy described as an urban feel. And she growls. Boats and it was just too much of a simple pop tune to be able to do anything with it. And it just didn't work but we tried to say that there are so many songs out there. That are just beautiful melodies great lyrics that you can do things with if you are being creative enough certainly, we saw that across the series as you mentioned David Coca could also mentioned Adam, Lambert and other people that took. Songs that we knew and just change them up and that was really important. But I do feel as though we. Educated as well as entertained, not just the singers but also the American public into hearing. So many different songs even Kelly Clarkson and You know didn't know a lot of the motown stuff that's shoe and the other thing is. To Season One, not one of them new. Back Rex. At all one of the greatest American pop songwriters along with Hell David. And frightening example didn't know those great Diem Warwick, songs guess they didn't they had no idea and I remember when he came to to idol, you had him come to mentor So the singers could learn his songs and I remember having to sing every single song and I was thrilled about that Burt Bacharach. It took me back to when I was a kid and for some reason I would sit in the kitchen floor and listened to back all day long and that's the payoff. So my heart was just thrilled that day that that he was there playing and singing with the singers No, I think it was not for much I'm not sure but a top five, but it was quite amazing and. The fact that they didn't know any of his songs and I remembered him asking Jelly if she knew Alfie. And she's not never heard it. We all went ask so yeah thank you. That's what American idol did an and that reminds me of one of the things I love about. Being an idol was sitting in your office and you would play me the Bible the week. You would play me the sixty songs, play me the seventy songs of play me the bird songs we would sit there and you say, okay, this is these are the songs that are cleared and. That was so thrilling to me because I was so happy about the volume of songs that I knew, and also about the songs that that were new to me and Different versions of the songs because you knew the Mamas and Papas version of this is dedicated to the one I love and I knew an rn be version which I knew the artists of the RB version. Okay. There's show rails. Saying sang catered to the one I, love you. Tell me across the series. Once once we got to an halfway through the series, did you ever think I know who's going to win this year? I rarely had that feeling? I could predict maybe the top three I I think I would go as far as that. The top three us. Okay. It's going to be these people. But but the only time, of course, top to it becomes obvious who is going to be. In my book Princeton's I knew that Adam Lambert as well as he sang would not win. Why at because of America. Why I knew America would not let. An openly gay men be an American idol. I absolutely agree. Yeah. I mean there were times when I knew certain contestants were gay. And they said, should we come out I said well, not until you finished your time with the American idol just in case it affects your vote which as you rightly point out, it could well have done. And I wanted people judged on their talent and had on their sexual preferences. It's absolutely crazy. It seems to me that. Because of the voting aspect that the American idol winners were all from southern states yet never thought about that but. I think that every single one of the that's another reason I thought. Adam Lambert wasn't wooden win even though he's from San Diego. By Way of New York I didn't think he was GONNA win. Because Chris Allen also from a southern state, but I think every idol. The every winners from a southern state. Yeah, I think across the the years, the voters actually changed. So. You know we had a whole season after season after season of a white boy with guitar. Yes. and you know and I certainly don't want to knock any of them because who won I believe deserves to win because it's such a long season and they've got to keep delivering delivering. So I'm for every idol ever one but the only one that one. Single. Week. Was Carrie Underwood. Otherwise, the vote jumped around to different people but Carrie underwood one every single week it's green amazingly. Were you surprised at some people who? was I surprised. I don't think so because doing the show taught me Twi people win and I guess it's because I was so close to them normally. Before the winner was announced, I'm backstage with the two contestants. And experiencing what they're experiencing. So it didn't surprise me I, was always grateful that they made the journey in one piece. So it didn't hit me as being. So surprised I was just glad that they lasted. Because at that point, they were tired of wusses retired So it didn't hit me that way I remember. Being backstage with fantasia and Diana Garm. Oh. The three of us in a huddle. They're holding me. Our heads are pressed together her blond hair, my my this hair and fantasia hair, and we would just crying. So. My experience does not hit me like like that. It hits me as as. Being connected to them in their journey. So I don't think I have an answer for that night. Okay. Well, I'd just get the fact that. Emotion. Overtook us on many occasions. I think because we were so involved as you rightly said we. We with them for so many hours of the day and rooting for them and hoping that they do well and hoping that Simon wouldn't be too tough on them. But that, of course was the element of this show that separated us from the other talent shows that were around. You know there's really tough comments that just made you stop and catch your breath. And certainly, in that first season, we had some wonderful talented saying is on a remember Tamara Grey Justin Guarini of course Christina Christian had something special as well. I didn't always think it was a voice because I thought the BRATA was a little too much for me, and then of course, Kelly Clarkson came through. But in those first semifinals. I thought Justin Guarini didn't saying. As well as guilted ribbon in the sky. cowl said a rightly so I think. That Justin Guarini had the EXPECTA- which was even more than a great vocal. Have you found that that some of our better stars if you will. Based on personality even more than their vocal ability. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's too A and you just reminded me that is when. The singers could sing the same song. I could sing the same song and they could choose any song that they wanted apart from. We had to clear it. It's but they could sing any song that they wanted during this part of it, and as you say, they could sing the same song somebody else. Were dumb enough to do that. and. Gilded to a great job. He he did sing it well. As I recall and. That's interesting. That, you reminded me that Simon mentioned about Justin having the expected because he hard hardcore has the x factor. He still does and there was something about him. That was extremely lovable. Gill was more serious. He was. A. Serious straight down the line and he did sing well, he's an excellent singer. So yes, personality did have a lot to do with it and I agree with you about Christina Christian she there was a a sparkle. She has when you look at her and I think the camera loved Herschel showed Simon Simon. Cal had a crush on he told her he told Oh. She's a a beautiful young won all those women are beautiful and and and I remember looking at preparing for our interview looking at some of the episodes again from season one and I was thinking boy these are some gorgeous people such beautiful looking people. and talented so yes. The personality did have a lot to do with it. Having that that that star quality was a big deal but that's what we were looking for a believe. That's what you were looking for when you're looking for an American idol especially the first one. Yeah. because of that's what sorry dime. But that's what annoyed Simon Cal so much that the public often didn't look at that. They were voting people on because I'm encountered been horrible to them. And it annoyed him yet. It was his fault that they were voting for them because he turned round on Jim. Garrison had a real go Jim. Vara. Skits. Put through. second-semi-final has a real go at AJ Gill. Aj gets put through. And then he does this shoe draw with Randy. Jackson on. On. but in truth it was because Simon was having a real go at these kids that sometimes the public voted for them against Simon's wishes they wanted to get their own back on Simon Interesting because I was wondering about Ej Day as part of that is well, I remember you said Said is not got this from you. If he would compliment them greatly, people would think they were safe and they wouldn't vote for them. It seems that they would vote for someone else as they. Oh okay. Euro Right Simon Love you is it people are going to vote for you but but I think what also impressed me was watching who votes and and that I show. showed me that is well because young girls would both acute guys. Yeah. I also goals as well girls. And guys, you're right. And and also found that if if the girls were little too sexy. They wouldn't get voted they wouldn't get -solutely. Right absolutely. Right. At that first show, there was a beautiful seventeen year old Alexis Lopez. All three judges thought that she was going to make it through when they were asked by Ryan I'm Brian. but the public didn't put a through. Jim Berrara Scott through instead. Tell me about to my regret Tamara grey. Oh my goodness, I've got two things about to my regret like dimension. She was I remember her being the first singer we saw on the show. And the and the song she sang was and I am telling you from dreamgirls dreamgirls. Yes and I had done an edit with the music director Kevin Jackson and I couldn't sleep that night because I hated the ended at gave her. And drove me nuts. I couldn't sleep at night and I went to the next rehearsal and I apologize and said to my I'm so sorry I need to change your arrangement and she was so courageous phyllis talented she said no problem and she it really spoke to her. musicianship because she let me change it on it. She turned on a dime and the rest is history. She did a great job that was one of my. Only, time that I just couldn't sleep about an arrangement and I'm so glad it was her because she was just fine because they would have been other contestants who said no, you can't change anything on the all know God I just learned this. But she was great without. So applauded her and my other two, my grace story. Was doing the Bird Bac Week when she chose. Superstar House is not a home. She saying I was not home. Thank you. A house is not a home and she was so upset. She only knew the Luther Vandross version the long version yes. The slow long version. And so I remember singing the Dionne Warwick version to her and wouldn't settle with her. She's like That's nice. But no, I want to sing losers and the we and we went round and round for a while and what's finally pulled her out of it. I believe. Was I my stop watching my hand? I let her sing Lutherans version the way she wanted it and I timed it. And at that time. I was relegated to no more than a minute and fifteen seconds or a minute and twenty at that point. Season One and so she sang it. And I timed her and I think she got in half of verse. And that's all. and. That's what convinced. Her I said let's create a hybrid. We're going to create a hybrid of the Dionne Warwick sprinkled with Luther and she was ecstatic and we worked and molded that thing and it was. Her best performance she got such great response from that. Absolutely. She actually got voted number one that we awesome. So might. As. Well, my fight was worth it. Was and I'm going to say one of my favorite performances across the entire series. Let me take you back to semifinal to when Simon Cal said to Kelly Clarkson and very good but I don't remember you why juicing that was I spoke with Kelly about that. I said, why do you think they didn't remember you and she said. She thinks it's her fault because she changed her look. She changed her hair and I used to stand at the monitor so that I could see I'll see it through the screen. Watch them head to toe and watch the judges responses to them so. I remember when she walked out in the all went was that was that Because they couldn't remember her and that was also a very traumatic day. traumatic day for Kelly I don't know if you remember this. But during the during the dress rehearsal. Kelly. Clarkson had no high notes. She had zero high note and she was panicked. And when you zoom, you mean her voice wouldn't go voice her voice could not produce the song starts on a high fat. What you is just she just sings up in the sky so she was in a major panic. because she said, she didn't wake up in enough time to warm up her voice because I always did everybody one but the voices and Kelly I didn't I I woke up too late, fast forward rehearsal she voice. So they were getting ready for the dress and a PA came down and said Kelly Clarkson is in tears. You have to help her she has no note. So I sit I said I'll be right there and I went. At had a sent someone to the health food store got a couple of things I said have killing addressed get miked up for the dress rehearsal So she came back downstairs because she was in tears and I worked with her and we did a few things and by the time it was the jets rehearsal. She came on that stage with their customer with their clothing on and every note was there. I remember the entire room. Turning to look at me going, what'd you do to her? It was so great and Kelly felt great. Every note was there and that was like it within a half hour's time. So she felt better and then she said 'cause after the show she said that they didn't recognize me because of my hairdo she said, I changed and I should not have which taught me that I would say to every female. Contestant do not change your. Because you want America to remember you and you want the judges to remember you. So if you come in with a short lead it short for few times, and then later you can change it when they know. That was Kelly's confession about they didn't recognize well, well, it's quite funny as talking Randy, Jackson, the other week, and he has a completely different memory about remembering from day one and how wonderful she was from the first day she walked in. Starting to go to a better memory than I have. let me take you to semifinals three and that was the show that we had. EJ Day step into a and I remember he did his arrangement over telephone almost before he got in here. But what an amazing performance he gave each day is an amazing singer his. You know what? Okay. Here's my theory. My theory is that. Each day was so in at an Adam. Lambert Lane. Before Adam Lambert came to American idol vocal speaking right we had not had anyone sing like that except Adam Lambert and EJ day. With with his wide ranging voice that's just magnificent so much. So until they give you a little bit of a little secret Kelly Clarkson came over to me when each day was singing and whenever EJ sang. He's the only one. Every single would stop and put their tape recorder in front of AJ. Day. At every rehearsal. And Kelly Clarkson came to me and bird. How can I sing like him because he to everybody loved EJ. Sound his technique was extraordinary. Very, aware of his instrument and it was his breath control breath control was amazing. Draft controls may mazing his vocal facility vocal technique, his a of rain, his just his his confidence in his instrument was very breathtaking and every single acknowledge that. So. Yeah. He's a wide range single bit excellent thing, right So let's move onto the wildcard show which would provide one more singer for the top ten. And did you have a favor for that to remember who came back think the wildcards were? Angela Peel. Yeah loved her Kelly Glover. Yup She had a bit of a strangulated. She had that that. That kind of vocal sound when she saying. Alexis Lopez that you mentioned and Chris Aaron. Chris Iron, a grain great voice good boy. Yes and RJ Helton I'm all of those people gave great performances. I remembered Angela, pills run to you Ronnie. Such a great performance, an original look as well, which I thought would do very well in the competition shed the big sort of nose piercing and everything. She was a great look. I thought. I thought she was beautiful I agree. I was said that she didn't make I, think a wildcard song was not good. She sang a Shirley Murdock Song as we lay I always works better when people sort of know the song rather than listening to a brand new song from a brand new singer. Rj Hilton now had the opportunity of singing without a big row going on. And he was the one that got through into the top ten. Will you surprised that or would you have put somebody else through on that day? I can't say, I would put somebody else I was I was disappointed because not all of them gave good performances their first time. The second time the songs just knocked them out of the running as we lay by Angela Peel I think Chris Erin saying on bended knee by voiced man I think very slow. Yes. Very. I wouldn't even WANNA see boys dementia on Monday. Kelly Glover saying how am I supposed to live without you? You're being a bit mean. To you mean bit me. And and you know what? Kelly Glove team is a beautiful young lady. And I just kept trying to get her to not sing. So throaty in the back of her throat it was on issue went up the notes. I, found otherwise a voice was terrific. As you write decided just closed up. Yes. ATOP notes. Yeah but I thought all of them were wonderfully talented. So I just wait it out and see what's to be. So we now have a top ten to my regret rhinestone charge Varas Aj Jill Kelly Clarkson Justin Guarini Christina Christian Ej J. Day Nikki mckibben and RJ. Now I felt as though, the final would probably be between. Justin Guarini and to my regret what are your thoughts I can see that? Absolutely I can. I can see that. and. There was a certain energy that jumped off them. when they performed when they were being interviewed, there's a confidence has the word confidence that they both had. They were very courageous. It's like, okay, I've got this. And I think because of that, that's when Kelly Clarkson's fight kicked in. That's that was always my favourite part any given season. You see who the front runners are. And the other contestants will go oh, that's the person I have to be. That's very interesting I. I've got to agree with you and and I. think that's what happened the week that Kelly Clarkson sang natural woman tell us about that by the summer voice was getting tired. So I had lowered the key and she was okay with it. By the time, we got to capitol records and were recording the tracks. She was doubting the key and so she pulled me aside a couple she said bird coming. She said, would you do this and she sang for me and she jumped up a couple octaves. And I said I would do an in a heartbeat. Said you would I said absolutely. Yes. As short of note was that well, if I may she at first it was she sang because of you made me feel so and she jumped up on the word alive and then she stayed up there and did a whole bunch of stuff and as I. Just sing just hit one note. Don't try and do a whole thing. because it's cleaner. and Get out of it in a with a bluesy vocal freights. And I said because if you do an entire line, it compares you to Mariah Carey. Wannabe be compared to Mariah Carey and then she said, and that's why I don't WanNa. Do the note said number one you should do one. No, don't do a whole slew of a bunch of them. This don't do the run because. You will not be competing with Mariah. Carey because Mariah Carey is not a contestant so it's okay if you do it and she said Okay and I remember I don't know I'm not sure if she recorded it on her threat, I'm not sure I. Don't remember but I know that before the show I would say are you going to do then you're going to do the not so I still haven't decided she said she had spoken with her mother and her mother said you're going to do it. And Kelly told her mother she didn't know and she said I won't know until I walk on stage. She said. So mom, if you hear me do the note on stage, you will know that bird has twisted my arm as I don't tell your mother that. I didn't twist your arm so she did it when she came onstage and immediately. Everyone latched onto it because of the performance was magnificent. Magnificent. Eyeballs Bulge on that note I mean, this was really report on Area Barack carry mini, rip attorneys up there he's stratosphere unit. That's right and so she's got a call whistled notes and other things and Kelly Clarkson has whistle notes and she doesn't use them often it really pushed forward in the competition and all of a sudden she was different runner. Well, there was never a point after that West Simon could say I don't remember you. I'm very happy that it happened I'm very happy that she trusted me. That's another thing that's why I always say thank you for trusting and that's that's a prime example. Well, I'd love to talk to you another day and talk about the finale of season one. Justin Guarini against Kelly Clarkson. Absolutely. Yes and thank you so much for today and good luck with everything you're doing. It's my pleasure. Thank you for having me I I. Love being on the ground floor of that show and I. Thank you not just for all of the work that you did. But how you kept your patience throughout it were you on my wonder woman. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank God. Bless stay safe. 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"This is another episode of standup comedy. Your host and emcee celebrating forty plus years on the fringe of show business stories interviews and comedy sets from the famous and not so famous. Here's your host and emcee skied at words. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to another bonus episode of an audience of wine and this week man put on your seatbelts. We have something extra special all the way from bali. Ladies and gentlemen. That's my good friend. Yuck schmear janka great to chat with you. I heard that you have a story. You might wanna share with the audience absolutely story that most people have not heard it was. It happened after the soviet well. After i i wanted to get out of the soviet union and At that time. Jimmy carter Made the deal with the Soviet government because they need food they were starving. So he says if you Allow some people out of the country will give you some grain and so my parents and i were exchanged for some tons of wheat. So every time now. I wonder bread truck i salute and then and then they then they wonder so so so so. But but here's what the communists didn't want people to leave. They wanted they want to show the world that we're the best country the plan that nobody wants to leave so they made it very difficult. So what they what they would do if they will let you go. But we're only one hundred dollars And you need to survive. All the time and american government didn't allow you in right away. They need to check out so they wanted. They didn't want anybody with the records. So the one Communist party record. No criminal record know. Barry manilow records norris nova's so so so so we're looking for like how can we survive and we knew that they're going to send us to like easily or some other or the show to wait until americans do the due diligence stuff there and so the the grapevine. We hear that there is one. I don't that there is no restriction. On how many you can take with you. And they're very cheap in the soviet union very expensive in easily and if condoms five. I'm not i'm not joking. This was did not know that for the condoms. Were one ten eighty in the soviet union and one dollar in easily daca bang for your buck for buck for your bank right so so we go and we buy as many condoms as we can and put them all in one suitcase my mother. Because we figured nobody's gonna ask her. You're working woman you know. So we get to and less true. And we got all oldest condoms Through easily and we went on the open market and we sat said the suitcase down opened. The and condoms store was erected right there right there right there on the spot and my parents will never seem capitalism before became like really good at selling this stuff and so my dad became in charge of advertising. He was making balloon animals out of those things and they all looked like snakes. And my mom. My mom does this rushing lady who is like she transplant. phrase from it from pro russian twitter talian and and she would see people like somebody who could be a potential buyer and she would hold up those condoms pointed at me and say if you don't want to have a kid like this via condo and i thought i would just crack up with a little the fifty six year old lady of say to us at that time doing this stick and they would they would buy two or three and so you know it's ironic that condom supposed to Prevent light from happening. It gets saved our lives. Oh so funny story. Yeah that's hilarious. I've no news all these years than i did not know that story. You're the king when from condoms to condominium yes well thank you yaacov smirnoff for sharing a little bit of funny with my audience and our special bonus. Show an audience of one ladies and gentlemen. Let's hear for your couch. Thanks so much. Everybody will see on sunday for another new show by. We hope you enjoyed this episode of stand up comedy your host and emcee for information on the show merchandise and our sponsors or dissent comments to scott. Visit our website at www dot stand up your host and emcee dot com look for more episode soon and enjoy the world of stand up comedy. Visit a comedy showroom near you.

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Should President Trump Apologize?| Guest: Dr. Susan Crockford |7/17/19

Pat Gray Unleashed

1:38:34 hr | 1 year ago

Should President Trump Apologize?| Guest: Dr. Susan Crockford |7/17/19

"Great is here on the please radio network with US triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also pat unleashed on twitter <hes> retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens third longest serving member of the Supreme Court when he retired <hes> just just died at ninety nine complications following stroke. I guess but I mean he was ninety nine so good long long life <hes> productive not my favorite Supreme Court justices by any stretch but still triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three. You know the annoying robocalls were getting on our cell phone all the time. Sometimes these could be all the time scammers trying to scam information from in fact I think almost every time they are and when they steal your home's title it can really be a problem for you. 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That's home title Dot Com and that prey so yesterday the House that democrat-led House voted to condemn president trump's racist racist comments as quite a battle on the House floor. Nancy Pelosi wanted to speak apparently she's not supposed to then they have a vote to allow her comments she spoke and then she did speak yes he spoke and then and then they wanted stricken from the wreck right and so they didn't because they voted to keep it and then strangely steny hoyer objected to her comments being on the record and he tried to bring around vote to eliminate them from the record and that that failed as well so they're they're still in the record but steny Hoyer for some really weird reason trying to do the right thing here and this was going down the lives on twitter. Were going nuts yeah. They were saying that time to primary Hi Mary Steny Hoyer. Wow I love this fun yet. Don't try to do the right thing. If you're a Democrat you just do it. The Democrats are telling you to do with the psychos trying to tell you to do and don't you dare follow rules goals or laws or regulations or House tradition as long as they're trying to go after trump. Allow it all just it's it's amazing <hes> so as a result. What does that mean nothing really? It's just entered into the record so what doesn't really hurt the president although it'll be used in the campaign against him that's that's probably the only problem with this is they're going to bring this up over and over and over and over and over over and over again now. It's all we're going to hear next year is what a racist he is because he told them to go home or go back or whatever it was he said and I thought it was really fun. The G._O._P.. was sending out talking points yesterday with a whole bunch of reminders of the things that the squad God has said over the years and wow where the condemnation votes on those women seriously really good question often there yeah. The president tries to remind us of this from time to time because he's the only one the knows how to do this. There's no other Republican in the world that can do this. I guess I don't know but as a reminder love this a lot Omar tweeted Israel is hypnotized the world may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel just a judge for compassion for isis recruits who are being sentenced for planning on joining the terrorist organization. She dismissed nine eleven is as some people did something and refused to answer if she was pro al Qaeda Bet something she said the Jewish lawmakers have allegiance to a foreign country regarding their support to Israel. She tweeted the the U._S.. Support support for Israel was all about the Benjamin's and when she was asked what that meant she responded APEC She described acts of terrorism as a reaction to the United States involvement and other people's affairs in other words. We had a coming going to us. She said ignorance really is pervasive in many parts of this country. She's blamed America for the crisis. In Venezuela she attacked American soldiers for the Black Hawk Down Mission Arusha retreated to Leib said thinking of the Holocaust provides her a calming feeling called critics of her Holocaust Distortion Racist Idiots defended Omar's nine eleven come in saying she does speak truth accused bro Israel advocates as of having a dual loyalty has a long history of associated with terrorists supports the B._C._S. movement imposed for photos with the campaign fundraiser who promoted anti Semitic conspiracy theories A._O.. See the socialist feature of the Democrat Party of course said the current state of America is garbage claim that the United States is running concentration camps on the southern border said illegal immigrants are for more American than any person who seeks to keep them out ever will be refused to condemn socialist Venezuela dictator Nicholas Maduro but eagerly attacked US special representative for Venezuela Elliot Abrahams defended Omar's disgusting nine eleven comments and said we shouldn't be allowed to show pictures of the terrorist attack because it's triggering okay while show also keeps she and a lot Omar keep repeating lie that that illegal aliens are being forced to drink toilet water in border facilities. IANNA Presley accused border agents as being a cog in the machine gene of oppression called for defending of ice claiming the agency is irrevocably broken and to top it all off when asked to condemn the anti terrorist attack at a nice facility this weekend end Presley attacked the media A._O._C. was silent multiple times and so it was Omar so these are reprehensible despicable people yeah I mean if we're in the business of condemning thing. Our leaders worse the condemnation. Actually let's get some catching up to do. As far as I'm concerned the shit all four be impeached. They should be out of office. They've got no place in our in our inner republic that they at at least not in the governing of our republic. They should be sent home to their districts without jobs in the U._S.. Government that would be nice. Yeah there are some <hes> there are some highlights in here that the get dangerously close to aiding and abetting the enemy while I think so too especially in Mars resume their all despicable absolutely reprehensible the squad pathetic and nauseating really tough to to be moderate what it comes to discussing the squad because to me as to the president they are anti-american. They do hate this country and I don't think they belong in our government I was I was reading a an interesting article though <hes> by someone who is a trump fan but he thinks the president should admit that he went too far this time Michael Goodwin in <hes> wrote an opinion Nyan piece in the New York Post and he says his tweet will not live in infamy but his cringe-worthy go back language rhymes with many of his earlier self-inflicted mistakes he said <hes> it always seems to happen when things are going pretty well so it was Sunday with Democrats engulfed in vicious civil war and trump's poll numbers rising against the twenty twenty candidates indeed things were so relatively tranquil. The media's perpetual outrage machine was out of grist yeah then suddenly trump fired at his opponents and shot himself in the foot. That's a great point at is yeah. This is this is it's like he's bored with things going. I want to well and so I'M GONNA. I'm going to stir things up again self inflicted. That's well said yeah instantly. The political world goodwin rights goes crazy. The media is over the moon with its new ammunition against the president they loathe and tempers immediately reached the boiling point. This is it that trumpeters insist this time. He's too far and there's no coming back. He's toast. He's finished and then it's over the news. Cycle moves on in search of fresh meat. President President Turns Down the volume without admitting mistaker apologizing and the comment. It's always a comment gets consumed into the fat Berg of yesterday's news then he writes this time might be different though but most likely it isn't unless unless the entire nation has lost its mind the republic will not be destroyed by tweet and how about that he actually referred to this country as not a democracy but a republic thank Hugh Michael. I appreciate that that's not doesn't just the president hasn't harmed himself and is caused while I don't believe is tweet reflected racial intent enough reasonable people believe it did and so a cleanup up is in order the best course would be for him to signal regret acknowledge. It was a tweet too far and then people have goodwill the vast majority of Americans will see it not as a surrender quite the contrary it will let them close the books on the incident which is good for the president and the country <hes> but apparently the president doesn't Agree Goodwin actually got in touch with him with the president and <hes> trump said I just feel these people hate our country. I think people understand that we want people who are love our country and are capable of loving our country what I raise the troubled history of the words go back which were often used as insults against African Americans in immigrants including Jews. He responded that he has pages and pages statements made by the four House members in question and we rode. We read you some of those that he called filthy comments toward American Israel. These people are haters. They probably hate our country. That's my opinion. Well conceited. He might be wrong about public reaction. He believes most Americans are glad to have somebody speak up for them and that's true that's true especially for his base. That's why he was elected. Goodwin rights. There's no doubt that trump has benefited from the DEM civil war and comes off especially well against these far left rookies the more they talked talked at their Monday press conference the better he looked that is really true. Is We played some of that yesterday. Oh man or they bad. Do you think there was any coordination between the squad's. It's Monday press conference and Pelosi's Tuesday you know condemnation vote in other words. Yes she trying to in other words. They script us together yeah or was she trying to one up them. After their press conference I I wonder because there is definitely a conflict of interest there in the Democratic Party and I love it fun to see him eat their own. Yeah you just sit back and and snack on some popcorn while you watch. It's good stuff and you tell the president then let them play save it. Save it for next year triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three. Let me tell about the big cruise. We've got planned note. You've heard about it. Maybe a really interested in Yemen checked it out yet. Go to come sail away dot com and check it out find out the different packages and get all the details on what's going to happen because there are stops in in Venice Italy and Jerusalem Israel Athens Greece and Croatia just so great what a fun amazing trip and it's not just the ports of call either because there's a lot to do on the boat itself on the ship. There's eleven bars for Jacuzzis three pools jogging tracks in a movie theaters the Four D. Movie Theater so whatever you WanNa do you're gonNA find. You'RE GONNA find it on this crews plus hereabouts great history whenever Glenn go somewhere he really likes to know all of the history of the area like when we moved to New York it was so much fun to to go around with him in New York because he's he's studied that history of the progressive era and to hear him tell about the buildings in what was the motivation behind them and the architecture architecture and the statues and all of that anyway voice so on this trip. It's going to be fantastic to be there with Glenn and Bill O'Reilly and Stupid David Barton. Is there anybody on this planet that has more information than David Barton and disseminated quicker than David Martin. I word word economy. Maybe a rabbi lapping anyway. It's a fourteen day adventure. You're going to love you. Don't WanNa miss this. Go to come sail away dot com. That's come sail away dot com Pat Gray on reach. Have you watched any of the loudest voice on Showtime yet. The Roger Ailes Story. Oh I have not if you're asking I saw the first two episodes last night and it's really good. It's it's clear that they're trying to make him look like a lunatic. So is it fair. No no I mean it's it's not as unfair as I thought it was going to be though because while they do spin certain things to make it look like Fox or warmongers and they were controlling the Bush White House and all that he still you see being he's a patriot. He's a genius. He knows what he's doing. At least as far as television is concerned but they also make them look like dirt bag which you know which you know I think your microphone drop off mark. Davis Mike well here me laughing and must be on just about a joke you heard earlier ah Yes yeah and then I lost my train of thought L. Forgot what we're talking about didn't talk about the weather. Everybody knows Roger had some issues we all do you know he just had certain issues that were the product probably more visible and others and and it's it's fascinating because some of the things are <hes> obviously drew and some of them not so much some of them some of the conversations that he has with people in private. Where did you get that? It's between him and his lawyer Brian Lewis <hes> who by the way was a killer man that guy foof that guy was ruthless really good at what he did. What he did was pretty much? Keep people in line and if they weren't in line <hes> they they had serious consequences happened to them so some of this is true but like private conversations like that you don't know what they said you don't know what went back and forth between the two of them and then you know the affairs they allege and did that happen. I don't know I never saw that in. No Roger Very only met him a couple of times but <hes> so I certainly don't know how he treated women but you can see by the way he ran Fox that he liked women a lot like like them to show at least a good portion of of their skin so I know that right some of it is you know obviously drew and some of it is obviously spin but it's been interesting. It's an interesting story and I can't wait to get to the third episode which which is already aired I think <hes> and that's where they start talking about Glen come into work for them and then I think the episode after that whoever it is placed Glenn makes an appearance on on Fox and friends now which appearance do you think it is. You don't suppose it's the one where he actually accused the president of being a racist and do you. You can't accuse the president of being a racist the how never happen amazing. Does that look today especially okay Google. It comes up every it's been. It's been ten years. It was July of two thousand nine and two two thousand nine day well because that was the day that I interviewed with Glenn in his staff. It was dead. Oh it was it was later. Okay remember that they will. I remember that day well too because I was there you and I was waiting for after the appearance and he came out and said how's that like he always does and I said I thought it was fine. 'cause we all know that there is reason to believe he might be but man. I don't know other people are going to there might be a little fallout from that. You sit really yeah and there was a little fallout over there to to this day when they mentioned him a lot of times Glenn Beck the commentator who wants accused Barack Obama of being racist so for the longest time just his accusation of Obama Being Racist Made Glenn Racist member those days so I guess Nancy Pelosi is a racist. I guess most of the Democrats in Congress. All of them in fact are racists. Can we start introducing like if we have clip in fact we do have a clip later. Hopefully we can get two of the former President Barack Obama we could say here's a clip from a guy who has called police officers stupid yeah no role that clip cheese yeah they acted stupidly beliefs acted stupidly then there was the his grandmother was had something bread into her. Yeah that's right yeah because when you're walking down the street you know something inbred into her in fact crosses <music>. Where is that no? I have that here g mother. Maybe except you can't do it like that. Oh you can't no I'm not over there. I know right right. That's why it as a professional to exactly to run the thank you for notice which is obviously working out beautifully over there. It's working out searching for slip this clip. I can no more disowned him than I can. Disown my white grandmother a woman who helped raise raise me a woman who sacrificed again and again for me a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world right this is the first woman who wants confessed her fear of black men who pass her by on the street wait way and who who on more than one occasion was uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes. Oh my God made me cringe so your grandma's a racist. She's no okay well that's it. She's a typical white person there it is that's it's all don't worry about it. Turn that around turn that around to a white guy saying she's a typical black person. Oh all hell breaks loose. You're not the president anymore seriously. The impeachment papers are filed L. Before Sunset Yup. She leaves on the street. She gets scared. He doesn't know yeah. There's a reaction that's been bred into what are experiencing an incredible that addy's incredible fifteen seconds of absolute racist rhetoric and that was absolutely president. Okay Americans still had the chance <hes> to bail out it wasn't regulate you compare that to what Donald Trump said shut up. Shut up thank you there's no comparison. Obama is to the one hundred factor more racist than anything. Donald Trump got close to. That's just that's unbelievable. She is a typical white person. WHO's afraid of black people and has that reaction bread into her? Wow I'm sorry doesn't get any more racist than that. I guess you could add. She's also a honky that might be. She's also a cracker. Maybe that I don't know and she clings to her. Her God yeah and that was a racist absolutely guns that they're scared of the white people that's white people people are scared. I SEE BLACK PEOPLE I. I just want to listen to air supply for comfort when I hear what I see a black person here. supplyhouse supply is white person. Is there something more white than that's pretty good. That's pretty white yeah. It's pretty white. I don't think it gets anymore. Maybe be Barry Manilow Barry Manilow Airsu- fly white people music amuse. You have to turn to it just to have some comfort after you see a black person because there's a reaction that's bread into us. Can we listen to the standards the standard like Frank Sinatra. Maybe to the moon fly me to the moon. I actually like good song to good song. I have a fun story about that song about fly me to the moon yeah yeah anything to do with racist president now okay. Maybe we'll get to it later so okay so let's see to review Glenn Beck was a racist for calling the president or racist assist so that means Nancy Pelosi is also a racist so I guess we're done here right. We fixed this thing but it's fascinating that right now. During this time time these episodes of loudest voice would be playing to remind us of all of this it's incredible incredible triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three and it pat unleashed twitter so but again you know what does all of this mean it doesn't really do anything official so what if they if they put some condemnation in the house records so what nobody's going to remember that a year from now now except the Democrat candidates and they're the ones will be harping on it speaking of those candidates. Have you seen who raised the most money in the last quarter Ooh I have not can. I guess yeah you go ahead. Wait let me get you a drummer emerald. Oh No really I got it out. It's gotTa be <hes> I'M GONNA go with Harris heiress. I lose no wow and so instead of fanfare. I know it's not that Oh that's not sure not beto. That guy has laid a massive egg. It's Buddha jet. Okay Okay Twenty five twenty four point nine so essentially twenty five million dollars. Oh so like you said that last quarter last quarter yeah cassia feels like he's kind of cooled off. I thought so too but if it's over the last three months or so they still raising a heck of a lot of money twenty five million Biden raised twenty two million then Harris and Warren raised. I think nineteen eighteen respectively yeah is that happened. She is really she's probably doing. She's probably got more meme momentum than anybody else right now and if she had a personality I know she does have a personality all the personnel well about half the personality of a bathroom bulb rush member when she tried to be like instagram queen because she was Jealous A._o._C.'s attention yes hi. I'm standing in my kitchen and I'm going to have right and my husband beer. It's look it. It's my husband who is in this room with me now. Would you like Abeer honey. No thank you okay okay. I will drink that beer as well because I want to get drunk right right now. She is if I got really really drug it would make me see more human no ABS- robotic. You're right so awful you know it reminds me of the early days of <hes> L. Gore when everybody was talking about how robotic he was. She's just like that. Oh my goodness. Oh when Ross Perot passed away my kids yes. This is life with me. We watched the NAFTA NAFTA DEBATE with Larry King. That's Al Gore Ross Perot and you talk about. He was sitting sitting shoulder to shoulder each other and he's just like a he is a robot. Oh No it just the worst all right. If you got pain that you're dealing with I can relate believe me I can. I can absolutely relate to it and lots of it comes. Most of it probably comes from inflammation. That's where relief factor comes in relieffactor works. It's got four key ingredients at work directly on inflammation once you calm that down the pain goes away. It's almost magic and Keith this ad this swear by keep his wealth under control three years now so if you've got well you know weird leg pain weird shoulder pain back pain whatever it is try relieffactor. There's a three week quickstart. We have glues. It's only one thousand nine hundred five if it works or more if it doesn't just discontinue seventy percent of those who ordered a quick start getting more 'cause it's working for them so if you want to drug free natural way to ease your pain and get your life back it's relieffactor dot com unmatched moved in welcome to it triple eight nine hundred thirty three to eighty three also at pat unleashed on twitter expressed tweeting consent and tweets on behalf of the State of Michigan. I like to apologize for our contribution to the squad Rashid to Leib Yeah. Thank you and for Jeffey Michigan that one we cannot weekend exclusive yeah. There's no excuse forgive you for the first Rashid has to leave maybe but not Jeffey no. I'm sorry we can't some things are just to agree just sub bridge too far Jackal spunky trucker tweets did pat it really just ask Keith about a program on premium premium pay channel Yeah. I thought that's a good point. See this show under showtime another bridge too far on. I don't know they play sports on showtime the Falcons on it yeah right no no. They're not interested near the canals there the canals Cornell's whatever they are not on any channel you gotta go and find them Conservatory Lady so sitting at a Pew at Reverend Wright's Church wasn't enough proof that Obama. That's another another thing that I'm forgetting that agreeing GIS example good point conservatory just wasn't there on the days and my pastor was being racist yeah I I fell asleep. I seen gene with the children and the children's room he volunteered Paul Sunday school yeah and so <hes> Barack Obama was never in the news twenty years you know he heard most of those sermons only agreed with the absorbed Adam he absorbed them. Come Oh boy and that's why we heard that his grandma was a typical white person who had reactions to black people bread into her. My those sermons validated by goes the hypocrisy as she points out out is agonizing. It is agonizing now when we bring back Bengal this fall or whatever that happens agonizes got to be centers every day and you know what we're going to be saying. Oh my gosh this year twenty twenty. It's so agonizing. I'm nervous about it because it's right. It's it's worse every day. It's we haven't Glenn things were hitting it. Tipping Point I help us right and we talked about this before when you know the pendulum swings back and hits and goes further the other way. I you know maybe that happens to. I don't know we'll see we'll see in the meantime. This racist president is working working on multiple fronts right now. Listen to how heat flow know what does he do. What's the racist president? Second is going to below you. Away is working on multiple fronts to investigate in combat a rising tide of Anti Semitism Semitism in America not to bring it about what to combat. This doesn't compute. I know top officials have warned spreading across the country and it sure is you don't think I don't know our leaders like Rashid it to Leib Ilan Omar have anything to do with that do you how dare you you know what let's get a resolution Martin right up. We'll get into a representative. Let's put something for today. At the House of Representatives Pat Gray should be brought up. He should be condemned for whatever he just said. Okay okay all right. We're GONNA point there. During a day-long conference the first of its kind for this administration senior administration official officials from across the Government Matt gathered with legal experts and scholars to address the growing threat of Anti Semitism which is resurged in America and seriously in Europe. It's getting really bad well up there but yeah I know in Europe that's where all this stuff festers and stews and then spreads all over the world. We live exactly right. The forum comes amid disclosures by the F._B._I.. That hate crimes in the U._S.. Have Risen steadily since two thousand fourteen with Anti Jewish crimes consistently comprising more than half the totals each year now all we hear about Islamic Islamaphobia that that Muslims have it so bad there so persecuted really it's mostly Jewish attacks attacks on juice organized by the Justice Department senior trump administration officials from the Education Treasury and State Departments have joined together to talk about a range of actions. The government is taking to prevent federal dollars from being spent on college programs that are trained to mainstream anti Israel ideologies who else has done so much for Israel and we took him. Nobody we talk about how he goes way. President trump goes out of his way to defend Israel into start or antisemitism and I always sticks in my mind who would have known that Ireland was banning people from bringing back goods from the West Bank. Yeah they were joining the boycott until president trump intervened instead okay. That's cost you selling <music> citizens support. You can't buy products in that part of Israel. We won't let you bring them back. In the country and then trump's like okay well then Ireland will have you have some consequences as well friend that stop them immediately did by the way the education department's already launched a formal investigation into how about two hundred and fifty thousand federal grant dollars went to Duke and North Carolina for a series of events that featured speakers and organisations tied to not just anti-semites but also known own terrorist organizations on this is from the racist from the trump administration man amazing. Just it does when you stop don't think about what president trump has done with Israel and for Jews. It's really mind blowing because there has been no president outside of maybe Harry Truman that has done as much for Israel. Yeah I mean Truman really fought for the for the partitioning of you know a Jewish homeland. Let's set aside a Jewish homeland now and <hes> so he was instrumental in in that movement which by the way bears repeating at the same time they also set up a Palestinian nation which the Palestinians rejected because they didn't Wanna live next Israel so instead. They tried to take the whole all area for themselves and that didn't work out for him now. They're still pissed off about it now. Sorry you COULDA had that homeland a Longtime Multiple Times Clinton and ninety nine yep now you know what they're to drop the whole we'll two-state solution now. Most people are against that. It's kind of interesting. They're they're essentially saying the two states' solution doesn't work. They're just not gonNA coexist. They can't so we're going to have to do one nation. It'll be in Israel and then we'll we'll divide off a part of Israel for the Palestinians which doesn't work because they always insist on east Jerusalem being part of Palestine. No no Jerusalem belongs to Israel anyway. The trump administration has always also doing this and I think this has to be done. They're doing major crackdown on asylum seekers what you people just want to get away from oppression. You did their own country. You just want a better life better like they say do jobs Americans. Do we want to be safe. I just want just want their families here to be safe. Yeah I now so you can do you can apply for silent your nearby consulate. That's what you can do at your nearby embassy where you live and then go through the process there. That's a little better than trying to break across board or you can go to a point of entry in this country and do it the right way instead. That's not what they're doing their crossing the border illegally and then saying asylum. I'm sorry no no there's got to be some kind of order order otherwise we're just we're gonNA have chaos and we're GONNA end up being the same kind of country that you're leaving exactly right so the new rule published in the Federal Register would require most migrants entering entering through America southern border to I seek asylum in one of the countries they reversed. Oh how about that. What an idea? What a concept whether in Mexico Central America you know Ireland wherever whatever country you're fleeing apply there I it's not too much to ask? It's it's really not in just helps keep order helps us to understand who's coming here and why so one and alien who demonstrates that he ear she applied for protection from persecution or torture in at least one of the country's through which the alien transit transited in route to the United States and the alien received a final judgment denying the alien protection in such country number two yet thing you have to do alien demonstrates that he or she satisfies the definition of quote victim of a severe form of trafficking persons unquote or an alien who is transmitted in route to the United States thrill only a country or countries that were not parties to the nineteen fifty one convention relating to the status of refugees so there you go in order to Zane asylum is still available. Yes just we're going to make it clear the the process and don't treat us like the Third World Nation that you're leaving thank you yes that's simple but what a hater for wanting to do that donald trump. Does he ever hate and just to give you a reminder is not the first one is not the only one to have hated like really. Let's play the other person who was so hatefully hate mongering on the asylum situation. What a hate monger? This guy was certain number of refugees from all around the world based on some fairly narrow and typically refugee status is not granted just based on economic need what because ward lives in the neighborhood poverty define fairly narrowly state for example targeting political activists and on the to our country prosecutor there may be some narrow circumstances which is our humanitarian or refugee status that family might be on if that case it'd be better for them to be able to apply in country rather than take very dangerous journey to Texas to make those same points how important to recognize that what would not necessarily accommodate a large number okay what I hate monger what Munger in hatred what a person person who mongers in the mongering of hate that is perfection. Thank you for sending that thank you that is on believable. I'd forgotten about that. I didn't even know virtually everything this president is trying to do has already been done or tried by Obama in the past and that was after he was reelected that clippers from twenty fourteen my gosh that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable believable man boy. What a hater <hes> yeah well? He's told you a hatemonger who mongers in hate yeah and I can't tolerate it Tripoli nine hundred thirty three ninety-three so now we know Google and Youtube aren't just silencing conservatives online. They're also manipulating their algorithms to try to interfere with the twenty twenty election member. They said they're trying to take some steps now. In this next election to ensure this never happens again and what this was was the election of Donald Donald Trump they also donate of course heavily companies like Verizon A._T.. And T. to planned parenthood causes like Lou lack that promote illegal immigration gun control. 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Thirteen hugely more active in L._A.. For some reason lodges there a lot of moves lodges and a lot of grisly murders over the past two years they've gotten super super violent including hacking victim to death with a machete carved out his heart art this goes on and on you know why they did that. They they hack day six of took him out into the woods hacked to death and then cut his heart out and then dumped his body over a cliff but might I understand when you find out he actually had defaced some M._S. thirteen graffiti and didn't quite memorize the most lodge pledge dairy. No he had the Muslims we had that one graffiti just spray painted over some graffiti the only thing you can do that cases to cut their automotive. That's all you can hit them up you have they left. He left them with no choice wonderful my parents so well but at least we have a good solid handle on the border her so no other M._S. thirteen gang members will be coming in anytime soon since you're we locked it now airtight airtight absolutely hermetically sealed and airtight so don't even worry about it anymore good and as if that's not enough it'll deal where lots of Africans are coming in from a bullet plagued areas. I wouldn't worry about that at all but they are pouring across the border now from Africa because things are crappy in their country now does it matter whether the people who reside there a red black blue or purple no it doesn't. It's a crap whole country it is the Congo is in desperate straits right now in the D._C.. Are the Democratic or D._R._C.. Democratic Republic of Congo and Congo are both a mess and so people are fleeing those nations yeah and I got news for you. We don't want the Nordic states. Socialism brought over here as well. Let's see exactly right those white countries if can white countries it like Norway had people flooding across our border. I'd be just as opposed to it especially if there was a possibility that they're bringing a Bolo with them. <hes> I'm sorry I'm a little ebola verse. I don't want it. There's the Ebola outbreak break map dot com that you can track where he bullets popping up around the world and <hes> surprising places right now. It's relatively common America we kind of like to keep it that way. Well it's calm but as he points out a lot of the African refugees yeah three hundred fifty of them were sent to San Antonio and put on buses all over the country day. We didn't screen them. We didn't find out who they were. We just let them go and they went into the country. They weren't quarantined and to see if okay. Maybe it's just incubating in them. We don't know we don't have any idea why would you do that. I don't even understand that. Why would you not at least quarantine for awhile? It's madness man forgetting. Maybe they don't want. They don't want to shut down the borders madness. They don't want to screen. WHO's coming in here? Nope it is truly a well. It's like we're committing national suicide. That's what it's like. It's it's like all right. Just come in fact to send. I don't care if you're coming from Middle Eastern company country that hates us and maybe you have a dirty bomb. Oh well bring it on whatever ludicrous against suicide but don't worry though because you know that that <hes>. Uh that asteroid supposedly hit on September fifth okay we just have to hang big enough to do some damage gives them sleepy sleep time. Okay triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three more pat gray unleashed coming up and this is bad gray unleashed the AAA nine hundred thirty three eighty three amazing things an A._i.. 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They'll find out your family's needs and then find you a neighborhood where you're going to be comfortable and live happily ever after go to real estate agents I trust dot com and we will introduce you to the best agent in your area. It's real estate agents. I trust dot com gray so now they've got an A._I.. Algorithm that knows how to manipulate a Rubik's cube all right now. It's getting personal now. The Rubik's cube has been around since what nineteen eighty s Yep. I've never solved one. I mean it's not like I've spent the last thirty years trying but I've tried a few times as like okay. That's too frustrating yeah. I've gotten close stickers off to get it done. Say we'll go that Ed Byrne. No I've terrible so you what you would do is by one in its you know perfect colored form and then you just never touch it and people think Oh yeah yeah I can solve it. I just leave it alone and it just stays Dalloway so it's great. I'm bored with it. Put on a shelf so I remember seeing when this who's a really big phenomenon when the roof is key Rubik's cube with so big like eleven year olds doing it in twelve seconds or something like fifty moves this A._i.. Can solve the Rubik's cube in a fraction of a second second forget you the best human effort they say is about fifty moves. This does it in twenty and it does the twenty moves in a fraction of a second. Is that amazing. It's amazing. I don't care for this because it does it. In so many less S. moves than a Human Kim. They think it solves it in a totally different way than humans do which is interesting but that's that's what we're coming up. We're coming up on and this might have some unintended consequences that we just haven't considered entered or have considered and then just I don't worry about it. It'd be fine. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA say as its annihilating shooting lasers at us what we crawl away. We're GONNA remember when it was so cute when it was doing great can can you do that trick when they used to play chess against chess champions and win always fun. This isn't good times pure skew come on pure. That's great yeah. That'll be fun so so I guess the question is how do we create advanced A._I.. That is smarter more robust and capable of reasoning understanding and planning well. This is a step toward that goal. I I don't know that we want I want to accomplish that goal. pull the plug. pull the plug every so often we get stories like this. Yeah and those are like their exits now. What they say is great applications for Siri Alexa if you could just if if you could just make my voice detection to my car work better like call Keith Calling Stan? How did you stand out of Kaethe? Call Mom calling Paul All. I don't even know anybody named Paul. What do you mean you're calling Paul? You could just get rid of that. I'd be happy I don't want it to solve quadrajet equations in half a second. I don't want that because that leads the scary stuff. I'm sure that the mom Paul example is an accurate but everyone knows that you're lying. This never called you've ever phone to call me. Shut up. Actually you know have several times sure you probably count it on two hands but I've I've called. It's happened yeah in standing right. <hes> stand probably got a call at the same time Oh stance edmore goals in you just get frustrated and so yes dial and it does just dial a number standing. I talk for a while yeah. I don't know him all that well just from a recent conversations. It's Ripley nine hundred thirty three ninety-three chess grandmaster. Oh just admitted cheating after a photo surfaced of what appeared to be him using his phone on the toilet to help him win. Tournament Ige Oars Rouse's fifty eight sure known in the chess world for having climbed the rankings in in the past six years something unusual for sport typically dominated by younger players. The check champs meteoric rise excited a lot of fans and found him. He got a lot of support I guess but then everybody was real real disappointed because he he was caught cheating during tournament in Strasbourg France. Oh Yeah we were all over this. Somebody took a picture of what looked like him sitting on on the toilet this fully clothed using his phone during the competition that he bathroom break and he's getting some pointers from the APP and take out to the to the to the tournament. Why why does he have Shin taped up is that is the chest so physical and so brutal wait a minute? It was just got a tape up his shins. I tell you I'm brutal sport that yes they're doing full context. Yes compression sock <hes> circulation whatever chess injury Korea nursing right now anyway. I don't know what he's figuring out in the bathroom. How does that cheating? What did you looking at it and I think it was showing him like the next move and stuff to do? I think he's probably in there for quite a while. People are starting to get worried about and it's like man Dan somebody check on him. He's going on in their while you just admitted to it yeah. He said confirmed the fact of using my phone during the game by written statement. What could I say more? I don't know your douchebag say that you're a cheater. You're a chess cheater. That's the worst kind of Jeddah's yeah that's the worst because I mean what you're saying is I. I'm going to do everything I can <hes> to make. You believe that I'm the world's biggest nerd yes. That's that's how I want this. Yes in fifty eight years old. You ought to know better right. Also an eighty million-year-old nesting site found in the Gobi Desert in Mongolia confirms that some dinosaurs nested in colonies like birds cool man. There's this whole movement the for the last couple of years that dinosaurs they didn't used to be lizards. They're not of the Lizard family of their of a bird family. It's kind of weird isn't it but they're finding more and more similarities to birds than any kind of lizard. How I'm going to stop giving the stink either? My son's parakeets might eat me yeah. You don't know what they're going to evolve of into so anyway. This bird-nest consists of at least fifteen clutches of eggs laid during the same season and buried by flood. It's weird what they can ascertain eighty million years later well okay these dinosaurs that we're here were having <hes> they were having stake in eggs for for weirdly it was for breakfast. It wasn't for dinner and then at lunch they had just ahead of peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich and then he traces of Kale <hes> two of them got together and we're making out for a while and then they stopped doing that and then they one of them would overnight the other one. Now you know all that from who can look at these rocks. Oh okay the vote. This is what takes so long they discover the site and twenty eleven. It's taking here's to to get US eventful. Let's go let's dig come. The Han move faster at these sites lights. Go careful 'cause what you're gonNA wreck so I understand each clutch at the site contains between three and thirty eggs some thirteen centimeters wide on well on average there they appear to have been buried in soil organic material to keep them warm as megapode birds and some crocodiles do today rather than being brooded by the parents but you lost me said something about thirteen what centimeters through what he aside metric thing so could be seven thousand feet or it could be a quarter of an aunt shadow never know where to tell. They're just they're exhibition. Dole we tell but in the weird discovery free mode I was last week. I was watching the N._F._l.. Network would you can't do because you don't have. I do have you do the N._F._l.. Network when it comes on an APP when it comes around the football season T._V.. That's right that's right back. Have you seen the hard knocks episode with. I can't remember who it was a defensive lineman. I think this big burly guy and they're talking about what the players talk about a practice in after practice actus in when they're getting together at bars whatever and they found out that this guy doesn't believe in dinosaurs with thinks he thinks dinosaurs are made up and it's ridiculous. You're awesome. You're a lunatic. If you believe dinosaurs but mermaids Oh car real he believes there are mermaids and they are the exist today in fact is this Sunday said when he got traded to the rams and they were in Los Angeles he it was really excited because you'd be closer to the water where the MERMAIDS are czar William Hayes of the Rams William Hayes. Yes that's exactly is so dinosaurs are ridiculous in your pathetic if you believe it you're so naive and stupid mermaids or why. How did you wear to dad come from why that is isn't that awesome? It's amazing it was that's it's hard to believe that you know grown men that stuff. There's a video out there of a of a mermaid visiting him at practice like you know someone dressed up like Ariel awesome. What a world we live in what we end? I love it. It's cool triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three also we've been and following the Ehud Barak Saga. He's been caught up in the Jeffrey Epstein situation because he knows him really well. He's like well. Everybody knows him Oh yeah but not everybody went to his island. Yeah a WHO'd Barack doc went to the island in question where the young girls have been abused apparently but he said by never son a young girls while I was there I was only there for a little while I flew in flew out and I didn't see any girls girls lot wing Queen Right. I mean just flight and I think he said he was there for ten hours so he goes to this remote island in the middle of nowhere for ten hours leaves and but that was just to say hi. I just wanted to say hi to jeff half the phone so they're thinking this could help Benjamin Netanyahu in this election situation again. Israel has the same deal didn't they just go through an election the answer's yes what I don't two or three months ago. They went through it. He won okay so we won all right. Leave him alone until the next time well the next time it's coming right up because somebody decided you know what we're a parliament pollen parliamentary system here so we're going to have another election because I don't like the results of that last one wait. What what don't wonder your countries are so volatile it just bizarre so oh he's in the opposition and so this might might help Netanyahu which would be good but apparently barack a a WHO'd Brock says he's met Epstein more than ten times and much less than a hundred hundred times okay? That's a fairly wide range but I can't tell you exactly how many I don't keep count over the years. I've seen him on occasion but everybody knows him is point was Bill Clinton knows him to you think. I don't think that's helping your com. He said I never attended a party with him. I never met Epstein in the company of Women or Young Girls uh-huh wink wink nudge nudge yeah. I'm with you all right. I gotcha goes down there and say back on the plane having done that come on sure all the time triple eight nine hundred thirty-three ninety-three shirl from Texas sentenced to this note about Regazzoni how well it worked for her. She lost sixty five pounds with the help of reduce zone and you could to weed whether it's six pounds or fifty or a hundred hundred or in the case of you know. Some people like I don't know Jeffey fifteen hundred whatever it is you have to lose reduce zone can help you get there because it contains only a which is something that's naturally present at your body but over time and you know lessons. 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The backyard goes lax or no those oh my lack humans developing a to this level is the equivalent zebras getting together and saying you don't we should do you know we should do. Let's develop lions that is really good. Humans is developing that smarter than us. That's better than us is the equivalent of a group of zebras getting together and saying you don't we should do. Let's let's develop lions yeah then he could eat us. No they're going to be here to help us with stuff that can help us find food his brilliant. Hey they're stronger than we are there there faster keep his company and they they can kill other things and bring him to us and let's eat them. You know how we put old zebras than the old Zebra folks home. We're GONNA have lions cut Altuna warm and fuzzy. That's brilliant. That's good stuff. Carrot thirty twenty two tweeted this out <hes> yesterday Democrats claim daca kids shouldn't have to pay for their parents crimes but white people are still responsible for seventeenth century slave owners that is perfection perfection Dudin no fault of their own these doc kids these docket kits are here because their parents brought them they he didn't do anything they're totally innocent. We must let them stay. We can't hold them accountable for what their parents did. All the white people here that had nothing to do with slavery one hundred seventy years ago yeah they should pay massive reparations to the people who were slaves to the people were slaves you mean to the Tattoo ascended descendants. Come on I mean there's not even that that's that's right and that's why the argument that comes up sometimes well you gave reparations reparations to the Japanese will yeah when they were still alive to the families. It actually happened to in for the record that was the government that put these japanese-americans as Americans behind Barack. My family didn't do anything with slavery and even the people that are connected like you know Mitch McConnell and McConnell beddoe Aurora and all these people I mean th that's not the government was responsible for turning the Japanese Giannis. You see there should not be if anyone's GONNA pay anyone back for anything. It should be the government not us as individuals know it makes it would be the government through our tax dollars and the government at the time maybe they they should not do they not give <hes> forty acres in a mule about that. That was a prime with promise never delivered. That's terrible terrible terrible things. We admit guess who was in office. Progressives Progressives Democrats triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three ended pat unleashed on on twitter. You know what the fun just doesn't stop with his women's national soccer team they are. It's fun group of kids. It's not enough that the L._G._B._T._Q.. I eight two plus indoctrinated media waving the rainbow flag at everybody's faces and yelling nonstop about how wonderful and funny in bed dazzling these <hes> women are on the team they bashed dropped and they say naughty words on twitter great have you didn't take clicks. Maybe I love it when they when they use naughty words that everybody can see they were kids where man just terrible right yes so now one of the teams major media allies out sports. That's for athletes who are out of the closet. They're going after Jalen hit. Hinkle the Christian and one of the best defenders actually women's pro soccer I guess and she refused to be part of the women's national team when they started trying to push the L._G._B._T._Q.. Agenda down on her throat and she's like no. I don't feel good about that so I'm going to step up and make her wear Jersey. That defacto endorsed <hes> instead that look I support that as well right so Ashland Harris one of the one of the women on this on the U._S. Women's Women's team who's marrying one of teammates soon tweeted out hinkle the Christian player. Our team is about inclusion. Your religion was never the problem. The problem is your intolerance and oh you are homophobic. You know what I'm so sick of just because you're not bowing down every little thing the L._G._B._T._Q.. Q. Two plus plus agenda calls for just because you have a disagreement with them yeah. I don't care what you're doing your bedroom I don't but I don't have to agree with it. I don't have to love it. I don't have to embrace. It and I don't have to promote it. I'm intolerant of it. I don't care what you're doing. Whatever fact is it's none of my business? I just assume you're not even talk about it. I don't care I don't talk about my sexuality so stop at the homophobic thing just because somebody she has a different point of view that doesn't mean they're afraid of homosexuals or that. They don't like homosexuals. She continued you don't belong in a sport that aims to unite and bring people together okay so she doesn't belong in a sport that aims to bring and unite bring people together. Oh the inclusion here in the few weeks. It's just all the inclusion oh he's an amazing as she's as she singling out and vilifying and demonizing demonizing Jalen hinkle way but but you're about uniting no self-awareness at all it's crazy hello so they are the gift it just keeps on giving to this country triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three speaking of which if you want a food substance that just keeps on giving to your body and it keeps giving to the healthiness of your body feel better her then you need to get field of Greens from brickhouse nutrition now if you eat vegetables all the time. My wife is a really good example. She loves vegetables. I don't understand it but she does <music> every night. She's fried up something icky like Kale or Kale plus Brussels sprouts or I don't know keen Wa- She's had from time to time might taste buds evolved. Well mine on didn't okay. I'll not be a friend to the DARWINIAN theory so you're happy. She's town for steak every night. GO TO BRICKHOUSE BAT DOT COM get fifteen percent off your order of your first order when you use the offer Code Pad brickhouse Pat Dot Com Offer Code Pat. <music> triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three. Eh Pat unleashed on twitter where <hes> Timothy Gummer tweets any comment from the N._F._l.. Guy Whether or not UNICORNS fart rainbows nine not I haven't seen I mean he believes in Mermaids not dinosaurs well yes yes on the UNICORNS Fighting Rainbow Biv it'll show of strength from the guys upstairs tweets how many times is pat called or texted Keith when he was not under the influence of anesthesia or post operative painkillers. There's none zero typically Tyler's bittel transferring strength bats dreamer infomercial would have been more compelling if he had played Serra mcglaughlin in the background like like Peter Does pats pulpy or pulp faction tweets after pat read that last bit so compassionately I expect pita and the A._S._p._C._A. to contact soon to be their voice instead of new GIG waiting for you fully open to that nobody better for a P._D.. Actually do love I mean I don't like to you know I'm I'm all about hunters rights and <hes> gun rights. Obviously love the Second Amendment but I'm not really into killing things do you do you love animals I do. I love them yet. I mean I like animals the Alaikum so I don't WanNa hurt them. I don't want them to be like there was a did you see the photo I think it was on drudge. GIGANTIC LION land they're dead and the couple behind them who had killed the lion kissing in a some kind of Selfie from Africa uh-huh my favorite favorite just killing him for sport <hes> not into that now if the lion were chasing them then you kill it. Yes I think they're gonNA eat the lion or if every other food source is is exhausted and you're staying alive. Kill the lion and eat it not sure how taste you that meet would be but a bit killing it for fun or sport. I don't like that so so it's fair to say you like animals animals and you obviously would like to see them in a video. <hes> you know no around maybe watch no and it wouldn't be safe on the territory lots of lots of videos of animals. I know the opening I know you do do you want the jumping. Dogs the bear climbing through the window now or the cat knocking the bottle cap off the deal there. I'm just trying. I mean I'm trying let her D.. None of the above did I get that wasn't a fourth none of the above all of the none of oh. I misheard <hes> it's too bad Boston has banned the <hes> the Christian flag while they've allowed two hundred eighty four other flags fly. This is a lawsuit that was launched against the city of Boston because they allegedly banned the Christian flag from flying while simultaneously allowing hundreds of others to fly it August twenty seventeen Camp Constitution Solution Chris Christian summer camp requested that the Christian flag flown during a demonstration on Constitution Day okay that seems to go all right according to their lawsuit their request was rejected and they were not allowed road to fly the Christian flag during that celebration and so they just said so and all flags right well. Oh no the city claims that they don't fly a non secular flags <hes> but the lawsuit points out that the city has flown religious flags. Oh countless times in the past the Turkish flag which has the Islamic star in Crescent. That's been raised at least thirteen sometimes in Boston over the last fourteen years city is also allowed the Chinese Cuban in Vatican flags to lie in front of the city municipal offices which goes against what they call what they told Camp Constitution so in total two hundred eighty four different types of flags has been flown by the city oh including of course of course transgender and L._G._B._T._Q.. A two plus flags good okay okay so fine. There's no problem there. I mean Christians. There's too many Christians so it doesn't matter if we just banned their little symbols so belief so flat country flag so could you get away with flying like a Norwegian flag. Maybe we you get Switzerland right. You've got <hes> Finland and all those of England yeah. They have cross cross right and get away with that. I don't know if they consider it across all those flags but that's what it looks like that's how you get around this ban right but boy Boston I mean ridiculous birthplace of the revolutionary war yeah yeah. We're one of the things we're fighting for. Religious Freedom Shoes also actor Chris Pratt was smeared by the media for wearing what they described as a white supremacist shirt when we show it to you. Let's show it to you because he'll agree. I think that censor this on blaze T._v.. Oh my gosh oh warning. Oh No oh okay that's a Gadston flag. No what a hateful and even look at him so he got caught wearing that shirt while walking with his wife Catherine Schwarznegger the image was posted on social media by a Hunter Harris Vulture Yahoo News then posted several tweets of random twitter users who were offended by the site of the historically important designed. I love this when they just pick out just people that fit their agenda and embed them in the stories that Gadston flag is a white supremacist flag now yep yeah stop it yeah yeah twenty two thousand nineteen baby. The article describes the historical source of the designed the writing and Snake Combo on its own is depicted on the Gadsden flag as simple created by Christopher Gadston Blah Blah Blah it came to promise prominence it's <hes> prominence during the Revolutionary War obviously by U._S.. Colonists who wanted independence but then goes on to claim the design signifies the support of white supremacy with only the opinion of a few twitter accounts as evidence <music> Pratt was previously attacked by Lesbian Actress Ellen Page for attending Church that didn't live up to her liberal advocacy demands. Oh all you know what Chris do before he goes to church on Sunday is is call Ellen page or or better yet invite her to meet him somewhere and have her list list of preapproved Yeah Prio pre-approved churches that he may attend because I think we all agree that Ellen page is the be all in end-all all I can think of one church that'd be on that list. We discussed earlier in the program pastored by Jeremiah Wright. Yes we gotta get into that deeper because we're out of time we've gotTA guess coming up. WHO's awesome <hes> Dr Susan Crawford from She's zoologist at the University of Victoria? We're going to get to that discussion because if you you might remember this from a few weeks ago before my surgery we were talking about the the tragedy of the walruses the all fell off a cliff because of global warming global warming <hes> did it again and it's everywhere it's permeated. I guess it had become so hot where they were that. They just thought jumping over the clip uh we bring them a lot of wind and cool off their body before the hit the ground and then of course when they're dead they're going to their bodies. Go cool down was global war we'll to find out from her in a second though I let me tell you about this new book by Kent Long. I know you're GONNA love. It's called Prodigal sons of liberty. It's about Article Five little known clause in Article Five. I mean it's probably know all most of us because it's about at the convention of States and that's what we're trying to bring about in real life but as in real life in the book Washington script elite trying to stop convention of States from coming to save the Constitution and a battle ensues and it's a a great summer read something that you're not going to be able to put down when she pick it up and read it. It's available at Canton along dot com an Amazon books. It's prodigal sons of liberty a modern thriller by Kenton Long K. E. N. T. O. IN LONG DOT com or Amazon all right. Let's Talk Dr Susan Crawford who is a zoologist at the University of Victoria Susan Welcome to the blaze good morning to be here. We were talking about this netflix episode one of the episodes. I think it's the second in the series of our planet. It's our planet one. There's so many of these on Netflix now it's just about all net flicks offers our planet planet Earth Blue Planet Blue Planet to the planet. That's dying because of global warming. I duNNo. There's a million of them anyway. There's a really awful disturbing scene of these walruses services who have crawled up to the top of cliff to rest in. I Dunno get away from sharks or something. I don't know what they're doing up there but they blame the fact that they all then eventually tumble over the cliff and die. It's got to be one hundred of them. It looks like it is a sad scene. It's really a disturbing scene but they blame they blame it all on global warming. Tell us about that species claim well what has happened in that in that particular see sequences that in fact thousands of walruses have come onshore and most of these are <hes> mothers with <hes> new cabs and they've come on shorter rest between feeding boats and it just so happens that in this particular location they were able to get up <hes> a cliff <hes> along up a slope behind the cliff and <hes> they got disturbed into once the ones that are that were at the top and they fell over now. This has been blamed on global warming that in fact they claim is that <hes> while we're says never climbing up on cliffs before for there was <hes> a sea ice decline but in fact what we know from the historical record is that this has always happened and it goes back <hes> virtually one hundred years of thousands of walruses Mrs showing up and in fact the phenomenon that is <hes> what we're seeing is that this happened more often when the population is thriving and very high and that's when you see the really large <hes> heard like hundreds of thousands fifty thousand versus coming onshore. That's actually an indication that the population is in good shape so in part they say that they shouldn't have even been there because but the the only reason they were there is because they usually go has melted right or something and that's why they happen to land there in the first place. Is there any strength to that well. There is a certain truths in the fact that if there had been ice there they couldn't have to the beach you know so it's kind of a <hes> a circular argument <hes> and it really but it's it's certainly not unusual and that even one hundred years ago anytime there was no ice Walrus came up on the beach. Is it possible is it true though that that this catastrophe might have actually been caused by net flicks or the people who are doing this special because they had drones above and it frightened the heard well that's one that's one of the possibilities that <hes> <hes> myself and several other people have have been <hes> investigating and the other possibility <hes> is is that there were pulled polar bears in the area and that we know for and so that could have scared him over the ledge and that could have scared them over because we know that an event caused by polar bears happened several days before they were filming and so it looks like the <hes> <hes> the bodies the scan of hundreds of bodies along the beach those bodies were there days before not they didn't happen as a result of the the actual filming sequence. This is if not an absolute fabrication lie. It certainly is misleading isn't it. I mean that's Oh absolutely unbelievable and you know and it really is you know they're presenting it as an unnatural event when that's couldn't be further from the truth and so they're really spinning a bogus August tale to per to promote an agenda the other thing that's interesting about this is they continually speak on these specials about how dire the plight is of poll avert polar bears because they got no food anymore and then here's a thousand walruses already to eat eat. That's gotta be something to that right. Didn't it seed polar bears then well they do indeed and in fact. I don't know if you've seen the footage very last seen comes on shore insert cert- beating on one of the lower he's got. He's got more to eat there then he could probably eat in five years can't have it both ways they want. The polar bears to be starving to death. They also want the Walrus his dying because of global warming it makes no sense to mason and one of the things is that you know they seem to be trying to make in with this that the sequence <hes> to make walruses a new symbol of climate change <hes> because polar bears so abundant now that that they really make a really bad icon for global warming and so they're trying to you know shift shift the icon about and that's something that I talk about in my new book. That's called the polar bear catastrophe that never happened so I liked that the polar bear catastrophe that never happened they had been talking for years about how endangered the polar bears are when in fact the population from one thousand nine hundred seventy until a few years ago had increased by. I don't know five five times or something right well. It's it's has definitely increased and the thing thing is that prediction was the there would be a mark decline and they had <hes> the decline that was predicted in sea ice. <hes> actually happened decades before it was expected and but the polar bears didn't drop dead and they've just been thriving and and so that that other <hes> well it was a bogus <hes> prediction at the time and dot has now been exposed the used the beginning to realize that that they've been had you know the their that their <hes> or trying to <hes> an emotional response from people to get stuck in and pulled into this global global warming hype and and the wall restored. We're losing you where you walking around because it's your kind of cutting out there the other thing is the the other image that they used yeah well. There's a couple of them but one of them was I think a mother and a an baby <hes> cub a floating out on an ice flow and it all lonely in out in the middle of nowhere and it looks like they're doomed because the ice is broken up there on the last sheet of ice in the Arctic or something that was also kind of used for years as a symbol of of how bad things were for the poll polar bears. Was it not oh wow do we loser yeah. We lost her. We lost her. We we were just just getting to know her to all right so dang. It is interesting anyway they they were out on that ice flow and the thing is they made it look like these polar bears have no nowhere to go 'cause they're out in the middle of nowhere would just water all around him on this one sheet of ice and the two of them are floating away to oblivion to drown. Do you know oh how far polar bears can swim yeah. Polar bears have literally been clocked swimming four hundred miles at a time him for four hundred miles Dell's if necessary and that's all they do manipulate these. That's all they do. Photographs remember we just had the dog sled thing yes where they're going to look at a much shing over the water instead of the snow and it was it was because it was so much ice that the snow melt couldn't get through the thickness of the ice right therefore and it did the same thing they had a picture from forty years ago yeah then there was the image of the emaciated polar bear really skinny. I just saw this one again yesterday. Yep which it does look tragic tragic and I think we've got Susan back on. I'm Susan we're just talking about another image. That's been used a lot and that's the image of the polar bear the emaciated polar bear looks like he's starving to death and that too is because of global warming he can't get any seals in his diet anymore and exactly well and and you know and what people are beginning to realize because the information's getting out there is that polar bears ah the starving to death is the leading cause of death for polar bears and it's a now it's a natural cause of death now if we if if a picture had been shown of thirty polar bears all starving to death right now that would be something thing that we would have to take seriously but once one starving bear is not an indication that anything at all out of the ordinary is going on and like the Walrus story it really is showing something completely natural and WPRO portraying it as if it was unnatural and being caused by global warming so I'm sometimes there's just polar bears who were bad hunters or they just had bad luck and they can't get enough and so you get that happens mostly with young bears who who are not very good hunters but also when bears get older or if they get sick or if they get injured if they can't eat <hes> adequately in the spring when when they're hunting is most important than than they're are in trouble and that's how they die super effective though because it does tug at your heart strings and then you know when they use that as propaganda it kind of sinks into the psyche it really does and Dr Concord You <hes> wrote about how this National Geographic crew with this may see bare just let him wander for two days just so they could set up their their video so you get their shot instead of putting him out of misery and calling the warden they just let him wander around in suffering die absolutely and not only to put him through that suffering but they also let him wander away afterwards and the bear in that condition is very dangerous and that means that that bear was then and out in the landscape and perhaps you know and then you at family coming to have you know to a summer hunting camp might have knowingly come up into that area and encountered that bear and we know from prior experienced and in fact even bear in that kind of condition it can hide behind a rock scoop up a small child. You know they put other people in danger as well as putting the bear through unnecessary suffering. How do we reverse? I this indoctrination about climate change in our society. How do we get the truth out to two kids because in schools are just eating this stuff up? I know I know and it's it's very it's very disturbing and <hes> i. I think that the the only thing I can say is that you come across a story that is <hes> making you giving you a really strong emotional response that you know that's a good sign that you're being manipulated and and if a story is making you really sad or outraged or afraid <hes> it's really likely that the facts of the story are not what you were being told all right joining us. You know you just need to have your you know your your <hes> your critical thinking in high alert. Tell us the name again of your new book. What is it called? It's called the polar bear catastrophe that never happened okay available on Amazon and we just tweeted that out all right <hes> Dr Crock. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for telling the truth about this stuff because really important what I do because I'm a scientist and that's important to me. Thanks a lot appreciate it. So many scientists aren't concerned about the truth. There just concerned about the agenda. John asked the agenda out there. If people people believe that all of these walruses died jumped over a cliff because of global warming Ed just helps her 'cause that's all ed just helps propaganda up again. It's pathetic we get it sounds like she's from Canada. He's from Canada you ever see Victoria from kind of boots and a boots heard that <hes> so she must be seeing the effort for Justin Justin Trudeau no country yeah yeah. He's a big environmentalist right. Oh well we found out a couple of weeks ago. How big an environmentalist is here's what he said about switching his water bottles up we language recently swiftly streaking waterfall drinking water water bottles water out of plastic last award no not last paper paper? That's what I mean. Talk water bottles box water like water drink box water things that were made a PLA- not plastic concrete. That's a leader regard some concrete bottles hungry concrete bottles environmentally friendly. We switched pitched from water bottles that are plastic into not plastic the the new concrete concrete the water bottles that are a little bit heavier man. They're durable better much much better for the environment. How is it getting a case of concrete water water bottles from your local Costco into the House and all you need to bring your you need bring your forklift with you when you go to the grocery store so just go to the store with a forklift and tactical but I love the earth so willing to try the thing? I don't want to hear your wine about it. They're doing shut up.

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 SYSK Selects: How Commercial Jingles Work

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SYSK Selects: How Commercial Jingles Work

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You could also call it how commercial jingles slash ear worms work. And I have to say, if you make it through this episode with no ear worms in your head, then your brain is Br. Broke. This episode was also actually the origin of the first commercial jingle, we got the stuff you should know which was done by rusty Mattias of the sheepdogs Canadian band. And thanks again to rusty for kicking that traditional force. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Welcome to stuff you should know from house to forks dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w. Chuck Bryant. Have you noticed that Jerry has more aggressive countdown to shooting. Shooting video now for those of you? Not watching and just listening like old school? Yeah, we, we have these video potentially Jerry's figuratively counting down now. Yeah, just yelled at us three to one and I keep you. We'd do to these at a time. Yeah, and I always bring a shirt and always forget to change into it, like James. Oh, yeah. I feel like a jerk. No, I did change once the first time today have on your mystery science eater, three thousand. Do. Chat up to Kevin and Bill like is if you're listening, you know everybody, Mike, Joel, anybody ever had anything to do with that show TV's Frank who's now a successful tweeter. Yeah, I don't know if you follow him. No, he's he's pretty liberal. Joe went out and did his own thing as well. Like they're both doing a similar versions of their previous job. What does it cinematic Titanic? Yes, Joel's and then rift treks is Mike's. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm well aware. You know, Robert Lamm interview Joel Hodson. Oh yeah, on and there's a really awesome link the blog interview on the stuff to blow your mind blog. Cool. Check it out. Yeah. So that's the intro for commercial jingles which is what we're talking about. That's right. I really don't have anything except Chuck. Have you ever heard of a little song writer named Linda? Nope, I hadn't either. Apparently, Lyn duddy wrote the. I love Bosco jingle, which I've never heard before, but it's listed as a famous jingle. So I feel like I'm missing. I did not have these. Actually, I love Bosco jingled. That's the one that we list what's with this and Barry Manilow was in in here. No, which let's just get that out of the way, man alot who I love. Sure. You mean I have seen him front row center in Vegas? Yeah, it was an awesome show. Did he? He looks so scary now. I, he's great guy. I don't know if I'd want front rows on. I'm saying he, it was cool. He said something to me. I had to go to the bathroom in like, went and left in the middle of one of the songs. And while he was singing, didn't miss a beat. He says to my back, don't leave now. It gets better when into the salt yet. Do you muse like very male? Just how Josh? Yeah. Did you did you know what was during? I didn't hear I came back and she was still like, oh my God. Did you hear. Wow, yeah. But Barry Manilow in addition to is incredible singing career also is one of the better commercial jingle writers of all time. Yeah, performed and co wrote. Jingles like like a good neighbor state farm is there that's a big one, man. They're still using that stuck on the band aid because a bandaid stuck on me. That's huge. Grab a bucket of chicken. I haven't heard that one grab a bucket chicken. It was like seventies. Yeah. And that was for KFC. Obviously, you deserve a break today at McDonalds. Yeah, big one. Any apparently recently did one for dodge. I saw. Yeah, Randy Newman. Obviously, he writes, whatever pays the most right? He wrote a bunch back in the day, and then this guy, Jim Brickman who make quite a name for himself with ads like we are Flintstones kids. Oh yeah. For the vitamins. I used to love those, but every once in a while, my mom would just buy the cheaper knockoff while, yes, and the difference in taste. I'm sure awful. So there is a spell where like she would find like sticky knockoff, Flintstone vitamins, like in my Lincoln logs to stuck to things because I'd just be like. It would stick though. Yeah, I just put it in my Lincoln logs because I guess throwing it away was too difficult. Yeah, it's pretty good, but yeah. And then of course, Lynn, dotty inland daddy and brakeman's. Other big one was GE. We bring things to light how rich these people must be. If they add even just a halfway decent agent. Well, it points out on this article. I don't know if it's still the case, but if you wrote the jingle, you own the rights to it. I know. I don't know if that's still it seems like it should be. I guarantee you Manilow owns the rights to the ones that he wrote. He didn't need the door, but he still does, although he likes to cancel once in awhile he's came, I tick. It's for his Atlanta show that really, he's just cancel the cancel. I'm not playing. Sorry. They are. They are really. Yeah, that's pretty lame. Yeah, both too. Well, hope he's all right. I was really into Berryman low when I was a kid. I know for someone who ended up being like fairly cool with my music case. Hey, I've got great. Music tastes too. And I love mainly. No, I'm just saying, all right, let's get into this. Okay, so Chuck, what is a commercial jingle? It's one of these things that you know you. Anybody can define it, but it's actually a little specific. Yeah. Well it is a song or a snippet. All right of a hopefully memorable melody written about a product, right? And that's the original jingle, we'll get into how it's changed over the years, right. So can have despite anything in like a slogan, like like a good neighbor state farm as there. Yeah, it can have a phone number like eight hundred five eighty three hundred empire today. Good going. It can have call letters like NBC. Yeah, that is. I looked into that that is what they now call audio branding or an audio logo. Okay. Like the sound your computer makes when you open it. Oh, yeah. You know, apple has. There's PC said there's or the thing. Ding ding from NBC like you said. But that's a big business now or. Our jingle like who can ever curator that one once it's in your head, but that's a new thing like that's even more specific now than jingles are what they call audio branding land. Every time I hear the word branding and a little piece of me die, but the dude from the human league, remember that ban? Yeah, he has a company now that's like getting rich doing this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Basically, it's a little more complex in jingle. 'cause they're trying to capture like the essence of your brand with a few notes maybe or in the case of like an l g drier instead of hearing, and at the end plays this little melody, it's like laundries too. What is that? No, it's a little melody like a little digging chiming melody who? Who was it that wrote the Yahoo one? Yeah. Oh, man. Who was that? We were just talking about that recently. I was the guy who wrote a. How Mana can't remember. Sorry. Oh, well, somebody right in it was a previous podcast. Yeah, that's less than two months old. It's all gone now. Yep. All right. So anyway, that's audio branding. But, oh, we left out one other one other part of jingle. It can also tout the benefits of a product. Yes, especially back in the day that was huge. Like you'll wonder where the yellow went. When you brush your teeth with Pesident. Really, you're not familiar? No. Oh, yeah. I remember the Chris, the crest patrol. Yeah, we make holes in teeth. Remember that? No, the the man I wish I would look this stuff up in the seventies those the cartoon of the crests. I remember that. Yeah. And then there were the the the the mouse, you're the, the bad people in that. I don't remember the enemies were the ones we make holes teeth. Oh, to the cavity creeps I know the cavity creeps. Nice. All right. I'm firing on all cylinders. I remember being in like third grade, I think, and we got a bunch of promotional materials from the crest patrol in an included a play of which I was. I think a toothbrush that really talk about infiltrating schools. Yes area. So we put on a play about the Chris patrol in school, how that is weird until a weird. So Chuck jingles they've been around since the Egyptians as I understand it. That is not true. Technically it is true because the gypsies of around in the nineteen thirties. Oh. Funny guy, Christmas Eve, nineteen, twenty six. They have credited the the weeds coretec was singing about the Wheaties. Breakfast. Cereal is being the first really the first ever jingle, and apparently we dis was in pretty bad shape and they're even going to get rid of it until they noticed that in markets where they were playing the song on the radio weeds picked up and they said, hey, maybe this jingles he's got something to it. They probably in college Ingle at the time and then they put it nationwide and weeds was saved. Yeah. Have you? Did you listen to it? No. Is it pretty bad? No, it's great. It sounds like the be sharps, you know it's barbershop quartet. Sounds like baby. I'm bored. Yeah, except thinking about weedays. So that whole Wheaties thing is pretty well established, but some still dispute it and it depends on how you look at what a jingle is. Yeah. Whether that's the first one or not, but there's a song that was written in one thousand nine hundred five called in my merry old mobile by Gus Edwards in Vincent Brian, and I didn't realize that people were named Vincent Becky, late nineteen, o five. Does that seem like a modern named? You seems more like nine hundred ninety four to nineteen seventies maybe. Maybe you know, there's a website that charts popularity of names in a graph. I believe that my bet you Vincent's pretty low back then, but those two guys made in my merry Oldsmobile in Oldsmobile used it in the thirties, but it wasn't originally recorded or written for Oldsmobile to us. I think the guest is really like their old smoke, really. And so the author of this article, Tim Faulkner points out that you probably more accurately call it. The first pop song licensed for commercial use. Okay. That makes more sense. So it's technically not a jingle, so the weeds Cortez still stands right? Christmas Eve, nineteen, twenty six, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Is there any place more desolate than. Hey, it worked because we still have we Easter today. Attention. Everyone lows is now your go-to destination to discover the newest craftsman products, including mechanic's tool sets and storage, and I gotta tell you, I love tools and I'm pretty happy to hear this news. Yeah, dude. And I myself have Crespin storage for my tools. Oh, it's great, and I got it at Lowe's. That's nice, and it gets even better. Everyone lows carries a fifty one piece and an eighty one piece tool set in the gun metal chrome finish. That's the that's the finish of the season Chuck. Yeah, these things are sharply. Yeah. Well, they're also corrosion resistant, which is kind of important. -plicitly look pretty cool, and the set comes with the new industry leading craftsmen. One hundred and twenty two ratchet for extreme accessibility with its slim head and three degree arc swing. And if you know anything about ratchets that is important info, man, that sounds great. All right. Everybody think you should do what I do, which is shop the new home of craftsman today. At Lowes dot com. Slash s. y. s. k. that's lows dot com. Slash s. y. s. k.. So the whole reason jingles came about two is because you know, I'm all about my like nineteen thirties, consumer history, and like in in the thirties, like consumer protection was like woj stronger in one of the things was direct advertising was very strict. That's funny now. Yeah, like it's so like no-holds-barred now Australia's like going to town, like preventing direct marketing to kids. Really? Yeah, there really protecting their kid. Oh, cool. Very cool. Plus here you can only market right? Exactly. Do you remember when there used to be like cigarette ads and. Oh, yeah, Cutty Sark Gad's. Yes, like that. It's funny to look through. If you go like to antique places and they have Ovalles's magazine stuff, you just look at the ads and it's like these happy people slowly killing themselves right with merits. It. So, but in in the thirties, like if you wanted to get an ad on the radio, you pretty much had to buy some time. Yeah, like a half hour or an hour and put on a program. And hence we have things like the king biscuit flower. Oh, yeah. You know, or the General Motors car thriller mysteries, right. You know, whatever. And at first I think it was really boring in dole in dumb, and they figured out that consumers were a little more savvy than we're not really willing to share their time for something that's just an ad like an infomercial, right? So they started to make things like the shadow and little orphan India, and they made them so they could advertise. But eventually it gave us radio programming and then ultimately TV programming as we understand it today, we're basically born under this desire to advertise to radio listeners. In the thirties. Pretty cool. Yeah. And I didn't realize this, or I realized, I guess. But it's just hard to imagine these days because it's so advertising is so all over the place and but back then you had direct to consumer sales one on one, you go to a store or you have a traveling salesman come to your house to sell a vacuum cleaner or whatever. And the ads back in the day, kind of bore that out. They were basically real matter of fact and kind of dry and really just both bullet pointed how our product is better than the other. Right. Exactly. Very boring, very dry. Like our spats are better than our competitors spats because they're made with virgin baby goat skin. That's right. But with the popularity of radio, things changed in, they realized that jingles could make a real impact. You know if they did because it's music is the Wheaties quartet proved pretty early on and just right out of the. Gate. People started really paying attention this and they brought the field of psychology in and psychology sorted cranking out books that basically guided advertisers and companies on how to reach these audiences like who's listening win and like how to talk to them and. The it just basically exploded overnight, and it was all largely. Thanks to the jingle. Yeah, in the early on in it think it still holds true today. If you wanna be successful jingle, it's got to be very simple. Yeah, you gotta have repetition. Yeah, you gotta have rhyming is good. It is help stick in your head a little more. And before you know it, it's become part of your consciousness for like life like they point out here in the article, the Oscar Mayer baloney song like anyone who grew up in the seventies can sing that word for word today unless you just weren't paying attention as a kid. Do you want to sing a little of it? Well, now do you. My baloney has a first name. It's SEA are. Yeah. And the plop plop fizz fizz. Oh, what a relief? It is like you get burned into the collective consciousness coz a, what's that from Seinfeld? Remember like George gets a girlfriend because he, he associates is name with that by men and really what he goes co stanza over that one's a woman doesn't even like him, but she can't get him out of her head because Costanza in there which you would call an earworm. Yeah, which we've talked by feels like before, right? I think so, but we may as well talk about the or Verma is in German, it's or armed. Yeah, and everyone knows it. What an earworm is when it a song or a part of a song, it's stuck in your head. Sometimes inexplicably. Could be. Inexplicably we're stuck in your head like you wake up in the morning in the song is in your head. You hadn't heard it in weeks months years, who knows? But it's just that there and they don't really know how it works either. No, but a couple of very smart guys in the seventies got together, their names were Allen badly, Ingraham hitch, and they, I think they're responsible for coming up with the idea of the working memory badly. And hich sounds like seventies pop group research. Well, they went on to write the hustle. Okay. But the badly and hitch, I, I guess, of investigated working memory and they came up with this thing called the the funnel loop. Yeah, right. Which is an earworm or a snippet of music or a a sentence, whatever it's running around. You can almost see it right using this track in your head over and over again. That's the fun logical loop and it's made of two parts, right? Yes. Store, which is your inner ear, which here's it, and then the articulate Tori rehearsal system. Yeah, which is you driving yourself? Totally insane by saying it over and over again, repeating is how he learned to talk or learn a foreign language. And they think that this funnel logical loop is basically an earworm hitching a ride on this neurological process that we have naturally and basically exploiting it for commercial purposes. Wow. Heavens, mourn, women, supposedly, yeah, more musicians, supposedly. And if you have OCD it might really present a problem with you. That was a really good episode of ours. Few ask me OCD. David sedaris licks light switches. Think. Yeah, and his bookie did. I don't know if that's real. Yeah, I think it is though. How to get rid of an earworm. There's all kinds of things you can try like actually hearing the song in full. Like if you can't get a call me maybe out of your head. Right. Just listen to call me maybe sometime singing it yourself all the way through can do it. You could sing call me, maybe it could vanquish it from your mind. Yeah, but there's really no sure fire away. Those are just little tricks. I heard someone say something about listening to rush. We'll get rid of it Rush Limbaugh. Is that what it was because you just get so right. Who's professor cholera. So he's the one who's basically he's a university of Cincinnati professor. He's in that year. Warm article. Okay. And he has dedicated his career to basically exploring ear worms, figuring out how how they work. Why. I think he's made a name for himself in it. All right. He appears not one, but two host of works article, so true. He's arrived. So what he's done through surveys, he said, it's obviously all up to the person very individual as far as what songs get stuck in your head. But he put together through some surveys what he calls the playlist from hell and I'd have to agree. I'd like to see this updated because it's a little dated a little bit. I mean, I'm sure that one party rock is got to be at the top of the list. I don't know that one party rock is in the to know that at all. All the year. There's it's literally impossible that you have not heard party or is it a song? Yes, I have not heard it. I will play it for you. You'll be like, okay, is it like a pop song? It's not a commercial. It's everything in his state. It is the alpha and the omega. I, it's just not possible. You haven't heard it. All right. But his playlist from hell includes the baby back ribs chilies jingle, which we won't even say out loud the Bahamians who let the dogs out. That's a good one. Queen's, we will rock you. That's another good one. That's a good one, but I don't. I don't know. That doesn't strike me as particularly earworm e. Could you give me a break to get one kit Kat bar the mission impossible theme. I think it's funny that this is on here because I had an experience with that when I lived in New Jersey. It was when I think the first mission impossible movie came out and YouTube update of the theme that thing was stuck in my head for like three days. I was walking around just going done. Coming up on corners really quick, like looking around doing tuck and roll. It was crazy. So that didn't surprise me. And you see that on here a YMCA. There's nothing wrong with that. I kind of liked this playlist I wouldn't call it from hell. I call it maybe from heck it best. Okay. Now I do hate the lion sleeps tonight. I hate that song. I think that's probably on there for the the very failed. We Mawei. Yeah. There. It is by tag team. It's a small world. I guess that one because you go to DisneyWorld and you just hear it over and over and over what Reid is that it's a small world is that the name of the ride to think. So it's been a while, but yeah. Hey, everybody get this. Microsoft came to us and said, Josh, Chuck, we've got this awesome little thing called a surface go, and we want you guys to try here. You go and we tried it and we love it. Yeah, I just took it out of town over the weekend and I really love this thing. It has a performance of a laptop so you can run apps like office three sixty five, which I love because I use word all the time, but it's portable like a tablet just over one pound. Yeah, and you can also use it for entertainment too, because it's got attended screens, great for playing movies or streaming music. In the surface go is again, they smallest Microsoft surface ever. So it super portable with a ton of power in mouse and keyboard and a pen or touch. It's got all these different ways that you can interact with it, so interact with it. That's right. And prices started just three ninety nine to really good deal everybody. So go out there and get yourself a Microsoft surface. Go. So. There's still plenty of jingles out there. I'm trying to think of of a new jingle there. They're all over. Sports radio? Oh, yeah, because I wasn't a lot of sports talk in me and my league. Eddie who you know. And now Eddie Cooper. We have been joking around about doing like a medley of of radio jingles in our set. Yeah, because if you listen to sports radio, man, it's like the same ones like what? Well look look. Look here comes cookie, cooks, pest control alarm force. I haven't heard that one a long. I can't think of them. But yeah, I mean, there's just like if you listen to any kind of sports radio, it's like the same ones that always sticks me when I think of sports talk radio is that one guy who's he's like trying to sell like some sort of refi like he's a refinance guy. He's like it's the biggest, no brainer in the history. Remember. Remember that guy will love that cat or if you've heard, and this isn't even a jingle, but a full on song. If you heard any of the blue bell, scream commercials, I don't know. It's pretty great. How's it going? Oh, I mean, they're all different, but it's all like this guy singing about, like you know country morning. Oh, yeah, sound of birds chirping and it's like the sound of coming home is what you taste. When you eat bluebell screen, it's pretty fun, which is a lie. But like you said, they sort of have gone out of fashion a little bit, at least from the heyday, even though they're still around, they still they are viewed somewhat as hokey. I think if you stop and think about a commercial jingle or the concept of jingle, it's hokey even though you probably have five hundred of them in your head that you can recall it any moment. Exactly. But yes, if you are say the company responsible for running VW's advertising campaign, you're probably not going to use commercial jingle your Ryan to go the other route which is to appropriate a pop song. Yeah, an MVP case they use Nick Drake, great one song. Pink moon. Yeah, that's how I came to find out who Nick Drake was. That's how a lot of people came to find out, and that's what article points out is a lot of times they can resuscitate careers. Although in his case he passed away, but definitely like was way more popular after that commercial than he was before. Stereolab. Was also VW. Yeah. Who else? I don't think they needed any help, but it was like a perfect fit. The polyphonic spree. Oh yeah, they had the there. I can't remember the name of it was like their huge that was on a v. w. commercial. Like when the w I came out with the new beetle, hey, and shot up to Toby. Right. Toby. He was in the polyphonic spree shooting feature film right now. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. In Louisiana, like he's shooting it? Yeah, Toby's a friend of Josh, who was in the polyphonic spree. He played there and now he is a did he really go. I don't think I knew that he was like friends with a couple of them and said, hey, you know, I, I want to be in the band. What do you need? And they're like about men and back then anyone could be in the spring. It was huge extensive, and he went out and bought a therapist and taught himself how to play it and came back. And I was like, oh, I don't want to be in. He like went to Japan crazy toured the world with the with the spree for awhile. The spring. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, making a movie now. Yeah, he, you know, they had that short produced one south by southwest during Bonnie prince, Billy Wright amazing now they're something else. It's like a feature films. They same company. That's awesome. Yeah, anyway, pop songs back to that. They credit the Beatles nineteen eighty-seven. Nike commercial. When Nike famously us revolution do remember that. Yeah, is kinda starting this whole new wave of, let's use like pay a lot of money to use really popular songs because it's not enough anymore. You can't just say our brand is better than yours. You like you want to identify your brand with the public consciousness in a lifestyle like that. Cat Stevens song wind of my soul and like the timberland ad that kind of struck to great song where it's like put these shoes on and you will. He went for that. I am too. I'm going to look into that. I wonder if he doesn't have the rights, it doesn't seem like something you would do. There's no way he doesn't have the rights to the song trip, but it is kind of you raise a point like it is surprising that he would have gone for that, but apparently if you work on artists long enough or just wait for them to grow old and need money, they will eventually cave or thing. He didn't need the money, but who sting? No doubt if he did it because he needed the money, I guess. That's right. He has a castle. He did it for a reason though, and it was probably money. So in the eighties, Winston was still. 'cause you know, the police started out as a pumping? Yeah, in the eighties post-punk but stink. Still thought of himself as a pretty cool dude cheer and apparently I don't know the company, but they approached sting and said, hey, we wanna use, don't stand so close to me for commercial awful idea. It's a terrible idea. And he very wisely said no way, but then Jay. Guar said, hey, you knew this terrible desert rose thing you have going on. We wanna use that for our ad campaign instinct said way, right? Cheers to that. And that's a big, you know, band skit accused of selling out. Less these days. I think because especially smaller bands, you just, you know, you people think music is free. Now two, they're not making money selling records like they used to their break even on tours, these small bands. So like I've done a one eighty as to think I don't sell out. But now Mike did make whatever money you can while you can band of horses. One of my favorite injuries favorites, they were kinda taken to the Matt by some of their fans because they did they license movie to Chevy. And the dude been Birdwell came out and it's like, no, you know what? I drive a Chevy. It's old and maybe now can get the AC fixed. You know, he drives an old pickup truck. Like what's what's the problem? Yeah, like we're trying to make a little dough here. Yeah, and it's a product I believe in. Yeah, you know. There that part of the movie, the doors we're like Jim Morrison's. Like often like whatever for awhile and comes back and sees that like light, my fire's been Chevy commercial. The the Ray con of singers doing it and he's like, it's catchy tune breaking that brings up my my biggest pet peeve today. Okay. Is this new thing? And it's not super new because they've been doing it, but it's like worse than it's ever been when they will take a great classic song in bastardize it and have some like lady session singer come in and saying like satisfaction by the Rolling Stones and, but in a different way. And talking about being like satisfied with your, you know your new car. I, it's just it's all over the place now and it's just the worst. Like I would rather hear someone license. They're real song than here. Them remake. It will some awful session singer and change the words to fit their product. You know saying. But then the corporation would take the Ben Bradwell sense, but been what Brit? Well, Ben bridge. Well stance and be like, hey, man, we're gonna make our quarterly earnings. Yeah. You know, not sure being facetious that doesn't count. It's not the same thing or the other thing now that like the black keys or suing Pizza Hut right now, because what companies will do in Tom waits to sue people bunch of times like every other year he sues someone because they'll go in and they'll say, give us something, Tom waits he or listen to gold on the ceiling by the black keys. Can you do something like that? And these, you know, dudes that write these songs basically ripped them off in the black keys are watching Pizza Hut and they're like, wait a minute. That's my song, yeah, in a different slightly different way selling zones. And so we're going to see you and take you to court. And that's when they get in court in like compare them side by side and Ray Parker. Junior famously. Yeah, yeah. Got messed up b because he apparently ripped off. I need a new drug he loose on. That's right. Did I never really heard it in them? Finally, I it. It clicked, right. Oh, wow. That is really. Sit, he settled. He lost that off. He settled or what, but he definitely lost that case. I guess. Finally, we should talk a little bit about product placement as we had a whole product placement episode. Oh, yeah. That's right. Well, obviously with Tibo and DVR's now people are speeding through commercials, so you're going to find some product placement in your shows. Quite possibly our own even it happens, but there are better ways than other to do it. And if you wanna good laugh, go to the YouTube and Google soap opera serial and just watch. It's great. That's all I'm going to say. I watched that the other day. Did you? It's so funny in awful. It's just it's colossally bad. Yeah, but it's so bad that like it's earned a place in the pantheon of pub culture now. So it did his job, then some, yeah, a bitch. There's a lot of hits on that on YouTube. Hits, Honey. What are you doing? Just having some delicious hunting geria- these things really Becton fiber things like a seven minute long seen. Yeah, it was just started talking about Cheerios the whole time. Yeah, it's money and there is a little product placement right there for you cheerio. So there's all over the place bonus. No. I mean, just now no, but I'm saying, geez, all we did was talk about brands. Cooks, pest controllers, checking combined, get the termites out of my house. I want to check. Let's see. If you wanna learn more about commercial jingles. You can take those words into the search part house works dot com. 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Babbage: Viruses, lords of creation

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29:58 min | 9 months ago

Babbage: Viruses, lords of creation

"The. They're like parrots hijacking votes through the oldest and most populous organism on the planet. The Perfect Predator they have figured out a lot about human biology as well as the algae of everything else they infect. Viruses in two, thousand, twenty, these tiny parasites centerstage but viruses don't just cause pandemics. Scientists are beginning to discover how central they are to the balance of our planet. Viruses offer clues to the origins of life as we know it and provide inspiration and powerful tools for protecting the future of humanity. You're listening to Babich from economist Radio I'm kind of Kooky. Editor. At The economist, and today we explore viruses not just as agents of destruction, but also as lords of creation. Humans like to think of themselves as the ultimate Predator but SARS Cov two has shown that people can also end up as prey viruses have caused modern pandemics from covid nineteen to HIV AIDS to the influenza outbreak of nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty, which killed millions more than died in the first World War. Before that, Europeans were helped in their colonization of the Americas by inadvertently bringing over smallpox measles and influenza which annhilated native populations. But the influence of viruses on earth goes far beyond the tragedies of a single species. Authorities isn't Predator. It's the most of life you could imagine Jeff Cars, our science editor, and the author of the cover story in this week's economist about the little known universe, go viruses and exploits other organisms metabolism's to reproduce it has no metabolism and it's It is likely that simplest possible form and how many different viruses are there. That's a very good question and we don't have the answer. We can say there's gotta be at least one and probably several species of every other sorts of living organism. We have an estimate of how many viral particles that might be in the world and it's a very large. Number indeed is a one followed by thirty one zeros tend to the power of thirty one, ten to thirty first power is a big number. Can you put it into perspective for us? I'm on the Copa Cabana Beach in Brazil it's massive is it more or less than the number of Greene sent I bet you money at any old Z. likes the Viruses on earth grains of sand. On the beach. Wow. So I'll tell Barry manilow what are they made out of the crucial bitch is the genetic material which is surrounded by a captured pharmacists have several different ways won't. Their genetic material and translating it into the virus. Some of them have material DNA like humans and mushrooms in double strands. Some of them have deny in single strands, which is different from humans and Mushrooms Eliza molecule lots of them have a different molecule called arena. It's similar to deny but it has some smoke chemical differences humans and and all the things use our Nathan part of their metabolism. They use it to carry information from the nucleus to the place where proteins on May Jesse information other stool. Their genes are already whereas loss of our seduced actually stole their genes as our night viruses alive. Well. Depends on what you mean by alive but. One. Famous thorough was just women. When asked whether viruses dead or alive replied yes. He's observation that probably the best way of looking at virus Zaki virtual organisms. The thing that you see down among mistake which is very on the virus particle is actually left computer coach it's a chemical it has. Metabolism totally do anything but when he gets into an appropriate cell of ECOMMERCE alive and Virus, which is the living version of the virus turning out new virus particles. So it's more like the virus process, not a thing. Aspen log is a process not a thing. I mean, five minutes after you've done the same Adams menu both five minutes beforehand structures still w cease to be alive because the process of being alive has gone and that's the metabolism. So a thing that viruses are saying is hijacking the metabolism of other organisms. So where do viruses come from? That is very much the basic question. Logically, you played two ways they can come into existence. One is four leading south a single celled organism. Get Simpler and simpler as become parasol. Is that genes could escape from a living cell and take him alive. There is. A more interesting question perhaps is winded viruses come into existence. They are such a fundamental form of parasite that you would expect them to have. Started cohesively at the same time as letting this used to. Probably means they go back to something which school the World. There are lot of file just he thinks that the very first living organisms used our jeans and only later developed DNA some of them may be left over from the will to some viruses can trace their lineage farther back than DNA based life. We ended up the certain, but it seems extremely likely. Yeah. As far as anyone can tell, overtime viruses have adapted to attack every organism that exists and their prey have adapted intern from this nihilistic never ending competition within and between organisms has emerged the breathtaking complexity of evolution. In the popular imagination viruses are often portrayed simply as agents of destruction. I asked Jeff car, if they have been misunderstood certainly, not wrong they're very destructive through the destructive this issue I can say functions that they I'll reckons to be. Responsible in the E., for maintain diversity applying on. That's probably because if anything gets you successful viruses come and killing Vara says odd drivers evening. and. There are several different ways in which. Affective Aleutian some of them quite important. Let's dive deeper into this how viruses work as engines of evolution well, work in two ways. One is our illusions. Let it precious. So anything which. Survive. In the face off assault and therefore reproduced, he's got to be preserved. So there is a lot of evolutionary. Africa. For put in those tips to tech with this to react against viruses to protect themselves from viral infection, some people think it has driven some quite big shifts are referred earlier to DNA was not the original genetic material. There's a theory that the change was brought about by a of Iris, a virus. The. Wind is very slight tweak from our NATO DNA and sells that's to our viruses then couldn't attack it. A mover is the creation multicellular boulders because multicellular police require sell sometimes to destroy themselves to sacrifice themselves don't repeat the particularly to destroy themselves. That's not a natural thing for a cell to do bunch if a sales being infected by virus and and Seltzer good idea because it will stop infection spreading. So some people think that this is the origin of the multicellular organisms. So cells are forced to evolve to survive viral attacks and what's the second way the other way. That viruses oppressive Lucien is by MIJAS. Zero around and it particular. This happens with things who retroviruses those will be familiar to most people in the form of HIV the Gospels AIDS retroviruses reproduce by putting their DNA into the chromosomes in the media off the hosts, and if they integrate the day-night night into a cell on the germline. So sperm settle xl that he will pass down the generations and they will just continue to reproduce and will become part of the genome of the organism involved J. Angrily speaking you know that might a minor nuisance, but sometimes, it could be a great. One of the most famous examples is what genes involved in making sentences which allow all female mammals to give birth. So, viruses are drivers of evolution. How much have they shaped human development? I really disliked viruses issues I. I'm fascinated by how sneaky they can be. That's David NRT, the University of Arizona they're really like parrots hijacking a boat they get into yourselves they fought yourself to do they need to do in order to multiply more but I really dislike them because of the tremendous affirming that they have in the scarf which you can still seeing the genomes and you could almost say that. They waste Irish very potentially because we have to cost unclear to their instead of thirteen to other things for someone who dislikes viruses David, spends a lot of time with them better. The devil you know I guess. The lab investigates something called adaptive evolution, how ancient pandemic human development over millennia he's almost like a criminal investigator only of prehistoric felonies CSI virus it's a very year at energy we start on the crime scene where we have. These tracks in the former flight seen all of that decision at specifications in the genome. And then we stopped furthering this tracks and see if they take us to a specific virus. So He's very much a collaborative work, a teamwork between evolutionary biologists. and. Sts to be able to solve this million years old crimes. That's brilliant how you do that what I do in my work. At all the attention that you can detect in human genomes and the way you do it is that genomes between different people have different mutations, different genetic violence. From looking at these genealogies, you can tell where the genomes addition occurred. When you do that you can see that about a third of decentralization in human genomes. Happened I'd genes that interact with receives in happened in response to different viruses. Not only can you tell that much addition in response to various his? Thanks to the hard work of our east, we can basically tell which specific families of viruses. Drove the passenger Titian in human genomes and therefore enchant epidemics and pandemics that where the cynically fos that forced these adaptation in the first place. Well, this is really interesting. So a third, that's a lot. Can you give some examples for example, the time when neanderthals and within humans interbred where the ancestors of Eurasian Medina humans migrated outside of Africa Where happened is that neanderthals their own specific viruses that we're infecting them. They infected each other with these like viruses. and. What happened is that there was a fast-track evolution happening in response to these new viruses instead of having to adapt to these new viruses. Modern Mass didn't have to wait for their own new mutations to happen to a debt. They just used the genetic material from tolls. Had integrated into the genome because of the interbreeding. To adapt faster to this jeans. And if you think about it's the neanderthals they poisoned. With this new virus is but they also provided the antidote in the form of already adapted genetic material and these genetic Matteo as I survive in Eurasian human petitions with these day. Viruses have shaped the world and everything that lives in it down to the human immune system coming up out antiviral defenses. Now, offering new tools against some of the greatest threats to human health. These ancient ruthless parasites continue to threaten human existence. But humankind has now finding new ways to deal with the viral threat. To exploit it. Well, viruses are actually. Very. Clever. In the sense that they have figured out a lot about human biology, as well as the biology of everything else they infect better than anyone and so humans have a lot to learn from viruses. Jennifer doubt is a biochemist at the University of California Berkeley and Director of its innovative genomics institute and a great example of that is the development of vaccines. themselves. Viruses have a lot to teach us about fundamental biology well as ways that we can cure disease by harnessing the things that they've figured out about infecting cells. And the way that cells can fight back. This is something that Jennifer has discovered at first hand in two, thousand twelve, she helped make one of the most monumental discoveries in biology describing the ability to simply imprecisely edit genomes using the crisper cast nine protein I think one of the fascinating things about crisper cast nine is it's actually an anti viral early versions of genetic engineering used viruses to introduce genetic information into cells into patients. Crisper is an adaptive immune system. It allows bacteria to identify viruses and learn about them. Through their genetic material and then created genetic memory of infection that allows those bacteria to fight back and destroy viruses that tried to infect the cells. Again in a way, it's quite analogous to the way human immune system works but big difference in how these systems operate because in Crisper, this is a system that requires short snippets of viral DNA to be inserted into the bacterial genome. It's a place where the genetic memory is created in the cells are then able to use that information later to identify viruses that show. Up in the cell with that same genetic sequence. Now, can you give some concrete examples of how the technology is being used? I think a great example of how crisper is being used today is to cure sickle cell disease. This is a very, well known genetic disorder that results from a sequence in the Human Beta-globin gene gene that encodes a key protein required for oxygen delivery by red blood cells, and up. Until now although this disease could be readily diagnosed, it was impossible to cure it and very difficult to treat it. And now we we know that Christopher can be used to change the genetic information in those red blood cells that patients can be effectively cured of their disease, and it's also being used to develop a more efficient Cova test. Well, it's very, very interesting to me that an anti viral system in bacteria can now be harnessed to do what it does in bacteria namely, detect and report on the presence of viral, DNA and I suspect within the coming months we will see everything from laboratory tests that used the crisper technology to potentially at home kits that will allow testing for the presence of the coronavirus. Of course, the obvious question then is can crisper be used to fight viral. It's a tantalizing thought is to think that we could take a bacterial antiviral system and turn it against a human virus especially in the middle of a pandemic, I? Think the challenge there honestly is the challenge of delivery. It's how do we introduce the the crisper proteins and they're they're associated molecules into cells where that kind of antiviral activity would be necessary and so not a problem that science has yet sold on the other hand. I. Think there is a lot of excitement about the potential there, and if anything this pandemic is encouraging more research into this kind of system and I, think will help us with future pandemic preparedness. The next pandemic already here by the year twenty, fifty, ten, million people per year. That's one person. Every three seconds is going to be dying from a superbug infection and that's going to cause one trillion dollars and lost productivity. Chromium resistance it's a huge problem Stephanie. Strategy is an epidemiologist at the University of California San Diego and directs its New Center for Innovative Applications and Therapeutics. She's also the author of the Perfect Predator. Her Work Explores how one of the most potent weapons against antimicrobial resistance may come from harnessing viruses themselves specifically fade Factoria. Is We call them fade for short they're the oldest and most populous organism on the planet. There are one hundred times smaller than bacteria and they prey upon bacteria there. It's perfect. Predator thieves look something like alien spiders they're coming in all shapes and sizes but the ones that people identify the most of this I Costa, he drawn head and they had these spindly little legs and they attached to a bacterial cell and they drill into it and their DNA goes into the bacterial cell and takes it over and turns it into a manufacturing plant. So the bacteria aren't multiplying themselves. Anymore, and when given the kill signal these baby page burst out of the bacterial cell, a gone to attack new bacterial cells. They only attack the exact specific kind of bacteria that they're matched to unlike antibiotics, which have a scorched earth approach to them whether they kill the friendly bacteria to, and we now know that that's not a great thing for human health. So how did you become aware of therapy phages were discovered a hundred years ago by a French Canadian scientists named police L. But then antibiotics came on the scene and fades we're kind of relegated to the back burner. In twenty sixty and my husband was dying from a superbug infection he that he acquired while we were travelling and it was just a nightmare by the time he was Meta back home they found out that it was resistant to all antibiotics. He was dying I. Mean it was. It was awful. So I went home and I. Did what anybody would do I hit the Internet and APOPKA PAPER and. It had something buried in a cold page therapy I made a list of age researchers were studying his superbug. Am I approach them cold and I couldn't believe it but within twenty four hours Dr Ryland, young from Texas am university wrote back and he said I'll help you if you sent me his bacterial isolate and we'll see if we have any ages that are match wherever you have a lot of bacteria you have the perfect Predator that preys upon them. So the best place to fade is actually in sewage. So they found four phages from barnyard waste and sewage that we're match for my husband's a bacterial infection sent it back to us we had it purified from my first email to the day. We were ready to give page therapy to my husband only three weeks past compare that to an antibiotic that takes ten to fifteen years to develop an billion dollar price tag or more. So you injected it into your husband. And then what keeps me the TIKTOK? Well, what happens is an invisible war at the microscopic level, you have the fame that are multiplying as long as they're finding. That they're attached to once those bacteria are gone, they're naturally removed by the liver and the spleen. It's the ridiculous into deal system if to be precise. We started H. therapy on my husband March Fifteenth Twenty Sixteen and he woke up three days later. His head off the pillow and kissed his daughter's hand. He had a long recovery. He had lost over one hundred pounds all of his muscle mass. He'd been on a ventilator for months. It really has been a nominal that is extraordinary turning to your current research what potential applications of features therapy. Promise we've treated a number of patients not just in San Diego, but all over the world, one of the most miraculous cases was the first genetically modified cocktail to be used to treat a human infection and a young girl named Isabel Colonel Holdaway who's in the United Kingdom she had cystic fibrosis she'd had a double lung transplant. A superbug moved in was attacking her new lungs and she was actually in hospice we were able to work with colleagues at the University of Pittsburgh who found pages that were mashed, but they need to be manipulated in order to be the kind. That would kill her superbug and she left the hospital within a week and that's how quickly it worked. One of the most interesting elements of phages is that they can actually be synergistic with antibiotics and they can take a failing antibiotic and resurrected. There's actually been a revitalization of therapy in the West people see wow, we can inject page into people not just to kill superbugs but to carry cancer drugs vaccines and also to groom the microbiome to take out the nasty bacteria the friendly ones behind there's a whole new area of precision medicine nanomedicine that involves page. The study of phages turn fueling the progress of Jennifer Dowden is working genetic engineering in July her team in collaboration with the Jill Banfield lab announced the discovery of a new, even more precise version of crisper. It was found that many of these page have their own crisper systems they carry around and not surprisingly a because age very small they have small genomes. They carry a uniquely tiny version of crisper that allows them to rethink fight other viruses and potentially even influence the genetic activities of their their host cells, and so in this case, studying this system has allowed us to harness of very tiny version of crisper protein that we think will be exciting for applications in the because it is quite small and potentially easier to get it into cells information, which for billions of years has only ever come into his own within infected cells can now be inspected on computer screens and modified it will. This is a landmark change in the history of viruses and people, and the pandemic is now supercharging research into viruses most of the colleagues that I talked to now tell me that they have some kind of covid related research going on in their own laboratory I, think that's a fascinating thing. Most of us were not working on anything related to viruses at all before the current situation and I. think that's extraordinary. Secondly, I, think that there's fascinating shift going on in just the way that scientific research is communicated and the way that non-scientists perceive. Themselves, as well as scientific data. I wonder whether we're really living through the beginning of a effectively another sort of scientific revolution where we're going to see that just as in the nineteen seventies there was a technology revolution and many people began to use computers and other kinds of electronic devices and they became just part of life as it and I wonder if that will happen now with science and especially. Biological Science. While scientists don't yet have the tools to end this pandemic their arsenal is increasing all the time. Here's David and art again. said he anchin barrel epidemics Schreuder Nance of human genomes? The more we can learn about potential Shropshire vowels, threads that are looking around in like reservoirs. Around us and the better we can predict potentially where those threats could come from. And this is a very where because the more human activities in human populations these why life around them? The more frequent these epidemics and potentially pandemics are going to be. It's really a case where we ought war. A we absolutely need to better know the enemy if we want to have a fighting chance but Stephanie's drafty notes if this is a war, we shouldn't be too quick to take sides over time. We've learned that all bacteria earn dangerous summer friendly I was trained as an AIDS epidemiologist and used thinks that all viruses were dangerous. But now I realized that the enemy of my enemy is my friend ages are naturally occurring their populous in nature. If we harness, their potential will be able to actually take on the superbike crisis in a brand. NEW WAY SUE is a world without viruses desirable. Even if it were possible I ask Jeff Car our science editor who set us off on this investigation Is. Desirable the out viruses is not desirable. No that would change the ecology of the world in some ways which we know about into the lots of ways which we don't know that I think something that needs to be emphasized is our motor virus is approximately with lead it. Started as a study of pathogens only. In the past two or maybe three decades really started to realize in how ubiquitous and how important viruses eligible logical agents. So it's the old question about the mosquitoes. If you're somebody, would you like to get rid of Mosquitos instant ulcers? Yes. But if you stopped the conspiracy of getting me the ball -squitoes, you realize that actually bad things have happened. If he did that there are specific viruses would love to get rid of and probably have the technology to do that at some point. Homer we have to learn to live with them. They are regulations of the system and things will be different and possibly dangerously different if they didn't exist Jeff. Car Thank you very much I like you've. Just as they cause, destruction viruses are also a source of richness and change the spur evolution. They may have been responsible for the appearance of complex multicellular life and the shifted DNA as the preferred genetic material. 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How drastic are the new changes to tenancy law?

RNZ: The Detail

21:17 min | 9 months ago

How drastic are the new changes to tenancy law?

"Win Our children look back and see what we've done I. Don't think that is going to be future generations of landlords that will storm this house and go. Hey, you're took away. Melinda would writes. The eyes of sixty three of fifty five, the bill will be ready to feed time. Trying to shut down the odd bad labeled. The government has run guilty needs of a bull ring to frumpy off the French next sophistication in any sort of insider or knowledge is the risk of providing original. This is the most ntn government probably in the history of animation, suit me in the last fifty years. I'm Donovan. In Tacoma detail at. Spain in the works for more than two years banning leaving phase and allowing landlords to increase rates just once a year. A couple of images that the government is introducing, try to make life easier for renters finally lost week. The government introduced drastic new reforms to teensy law changes I really about making the Makah, fear the teen of the reasoning, Tina, F hidden head, a major. The ninety minutes showing a day boss. Predictably, the caused some consternation, this some pretty scary stuff on the horizon when it comes to supply and that supply his knock on effect on to enjoy. Absolutely by have rephrased, them frame the bill, the residential tenancies height labels bill. So what's actually changing if you're a ring to what will it mean for year? And if you're a landlord. How stay on the right side of the law? Henry Cook is staffs chief political reporter, the bulk of a China expert and crease contain leaks and manifesto. Twenty eighteen when I fist kind of you know and the kind of time frame, you'd expect from government announced the kind of policy and I. Think it was August three eighteen. I was Twyford, who is the housing mothership at time? Drape Potty Carlita Manama Davidson was an small flat and Voice Nathan Wellington and he said he was came to kind of get a bill ready pretty soon eight originated in a year. But it was clear at that point. That's what we're going to be more like. Early, twenty nine and without consultation for a number of mobs va before it even became a bill and then we just kind of hid nothing for a very long time. Of course, things happened relevant things in June twenty nineteen was a big cabinet reshuffle making what's becoming the housing minister. However, they will be helped by the fact that there are now effectively attame of housing minister. Actually. Five ministers or ministers in associates that have some responsibility or input onto the housing portfolio which might have ambient. How quickly these new reforms could be introduced debated of easily, very light twenty, nine, new public housing, Minnesota Point, Chris. Way. And See, off twenty twenty, what we're trying to make sure that we have in this. As balance, shop for the modern situation that were now, if landlords do want to end original agreement where tenant that there are prescribed reasons and the price is if a tenant has been disruptive for his pay their rent light more than three times so that they can have confidence to the Tennessee tribunal. So yeah, I I kind of disappeared for a long while the legislation that actually pertains to. Dates back to sort of what the mid eighties. So what what was the team behind us, but it was sort of to update their because my understanding is hasn't really been developed in the past thirty, five years of sorry. Invest. Three hundred has been a large amount of small changes. To how you can always do a little heavy I, my husband reform, the army's is reforming overtime, but it's often just reformed in a very tiny. Kind of negative. Why this is the fist yet? Re Really Scowl reform reform that end. The one of the things that talks about a lot of as that. I. Really did feel like the bow was written and a time when retailers were a thing for students and maybe young professionals, not people of kids not. People staying in for a long time. It was kind of expect to admit. It would be fine for heated famer don relatively quickly because obviously, if you're. A twenty, four year old, it's a lot easier to move house the. Thirty two year old as a child. You're on six, hundred, thousand households reading now, which is a lot of people like. It's it's not It's not just a review of of students anymore. That's the big thing. This was trying to recognize finding reliable statistics on renting visits ownership as a bit more difficult than it might seem jude problems with the twenty thousand census. State teens eating twenty nine teen is dated. The were just under one point, eight, million households at the end of. June. About. Sixty two percent of those people owned the ARN. Harms about six, hundred, four, thousand rented and about sixty, six, thousand lived in free accommodation the sleep out at MOM's place. Homeownership and Contemporary New Zealand peaked in the early nineties when more than seventy percent of people on the himes since then harm ownership has declined, more people have renting and the cost of renting has increased to the overall package. As very much about giving Tina's somewhat more rights and their flattened homes. And it's quite zero-sum like there's a lot of there's a lot of land. And you can understand why because. Represent via losing out on, you know. His property rights to tenants, getting more rights over what I would say. Let's go through some of the shoe practical kinds of changes. What is actually going to happen here, and how will it be different to things were last week, I? Guess. What I would size for a lot of team. That's probably about immediately messily noticeable because often the changes of contract things are kind of point of things go wrong. So if you have a bigger relationship, your landlord, you kind of been price for a couple of years that's not necessarily gonNA completely changed the. Two weeks straight why the the really big changes I like the actual structure of how law works as probably the biggest one is getting rid of no cost him and I. Good landlords aren't using recalls terminations to intendant six. I've actually got a good relationships. I think a very small number of landlords are using the night 'cause. I shouldn't I'm, and in some cases, I might not using that in the spirit in which they are intended, what lane head for a long time as a less vice give on as but also. The ability to deliver ninety dies say as what you out of the flat move out of Raisin and could be moving into the house themselves, it could be. China Tina's did it have to be a raisin? So what happened was kind of a backstop for him to always we had move ten and on nine is the best of notice. Frames, but at so locked move your house and basically the only way votes could be stopped would be if some tweets shop, you know and kind of food are being discriminated against which was also Very, often vest bill gets rid of it. That kind of no caused him nation and in steed kind of sits out a more prescriptive. Less of Wise Tina can be affected the new Mawas antisocial behavior, which is kind of what what landlords would usually five eight. We're doing it for what you need to kind of made us rich out of anti social behaviour fray times over a period and. Will Roll on that? I've also, there's also no provision if you want to move into a house yourself and things like that. But as a lot more prescriptive. So landlords worked quite had the freedom to boot tens out as as much as they have in the past. Some critics of the reforms of pointed out the whole three strikes in ninety days, and you're at a speech could be open to abuse. Say for example, urine unruly, but exceptionally cunning tenant. You could sprayed your antisocial behaviour out over time. Say It's the first team ver. You throw a big party on. Tuesday. Night, the whole block that is antisocial behavior you laidlaw gets grumpy strike one. The. In a couple of months later on the first of November, you decide to do some doubts on the lawn that strike to now. If you're the decided in early, seem better seat, a stack of tires alight on the Bay thin. Well. If you wait until does seem the sick and the strikes you couldn't, in theory be evicted on the antisocial behavior grounds. This boy that people will. Do to social ex with a net period whiten. Due to more another period. I, mean. Nothing's impossible. I would say the kind of team. Guys dissociate behavior usually not super controlled about social behavior and also one business social behavior might be another person's you know having some friends over on a Saturday night is the idea that you could. You could. You could vote someone out for one. It's social behavior. I think you can say why the minister was a little bit weary about that. The examples of what would qualify as antisocial behavior or is that something? That's GONNA quite interpretation. Ultimately. It will be up to the job you know to to kind of. That's not super super, super descriptive, but you can you imagine that you have no one's around. Extremely loud behavior harassing neighbors. That kind of thing there is, I, mean, one of the things that she added on very recently was was fam team is a convicted of assaulting. A landlord by can be gone for days. As a landlord, someone could go to the House and get patched. Why that they may not be out there. There's still a backstop yards, Zoe, who's a student at Victoria University and has been a tenant in a number of properties in Wellington. Since two thousand seventeen told H. E. thinks one of the most important changes as removing readers names from Tennessee tribunal records. If they win, the dispute was one where For a long time and it was actually not part of the original lawers as twice and announced that that was halfway editon, and basically what it does is it allows students to normalize themselves thia wholly or partially successful. Distributor Klein. Really important because right now you go. Site, you can just sit up Nyman even if the team it was totally successful and they can fight the names as just the and and it's got a very well known vet, their odd databases of these people who have made climbs that landlords can use inviting. You know complete the peanuts. So I think that most stuck out to mega something that actually would be to set may and other people my position that I talked to. As the owner of the team. You know I know zero people who been to the Tennessee. Tribunal. And I've considered it in the past and one of the reasons why may end a lot of other ranges Dr Joe? It is because we know that name won't be on the public record and we know that it means that landlords not i. Would say this person has had a pretty from with a landlord. We don't want to take on the and we've got one rink to them, and if you're a landlord, you might look at that and you might say look even though they wanna climb out what the kind of peanut who goes tinder-dry Bureau and is made a real behaved overall risk fourteen. It's going to tribunal because I, feel like they're gonna be on a blacklist. Flat ever again, given supply and demand issues on the retail market Leonard. Almost always in my just kind of have the choice of what tenants to pack. So if you have a choice and one thing that we job, you know about you know the show not working for years ago and one did you might go well, I don't really want to have to deal with that. So that. So that's what that's what an album today talion honest and not those databases all. Pylons speaking of the idea of landlords, big cities you know being hitting an over supply and demand. One of the tech side geese that has been controversial recently is the idea of to bidding. Can you describe what kind of is in how these reforms contrary stash? Rebelling, wanting him one of the things we. You hear a lot about it, but never really been a good race on exactly how much is happening. But you know the idea being that you would turn out to a appropriate. There would be forty ever gone for the property as well. When you'd say you know what I could actually pair but more than you sit out in the and obviously that can be quite quite located for Orlando night say well. Over here, actually that here paving woman. I said, I'm clear. How much was was definitely hitting on, you usually hear a lot of antidotes about it happening in Auckland, Wellington, I and vice versa was Bo- just makes that totally illegal. So basically you have to you have to priced, you offer as the one you have to go of because you kind of small exemptions. One of these weird things you find out about these bells reformed does that there's a lot of little uses don't realize like companies who have employee's who kind of pay employees passionately for housing, which they provide, which is technically administered by the state things like that are kind of. But in general, you will not be able to kind of an auction for retail price. I have framed a poster of Barry Manilow that I wanNA hang in might be dream. But I'm scared because I need to hang on a nail and I need to him that now into the Wolinsky that my landlord will angry at. Will this change my ability to do things like that? Well, I I cannot stop your land or getting angry at your meal. I'm sorry But but yeast, this does allow for kind of minor settings. And adjustments the visit you know how to wash it. He'd say, but the idea is basically every two should be but more like a home and people should be able to do things like. If streak for times by at a break into a book about four down hanging up posters on as long as as all kind of things that can be kind of easily remedied by landlord. So a side you put an island for your I. One poster, Barry. manilow. Vic can be relatively easily mutate as long as you're not putting in. Some kind of building Christian, but some some kind of material would be very hard to repair that. So yes, it does. It does allow for that. Does Not Allow for Pete's which was kind of a big as she was gone. It was going to kind of take us going to greatly while in the the ability for Pete's to come in, but in doing that. So in trying to achieve the goal of deceit fetus Labor, I think will fail miserably. If people bio from providing rentals, housing stock simply will not grow fewer intels at the market prices. Skyrocket simple economics. Figures show that ranch the now sixty bucks a week high, and then two years ago, right? So. This has been an argument that it's been used basically whenever any kind of changes to Redo, log on and it's an argument. Not. That's my buddy opposition officials. themselves. Kind of had puppies and warnings by saying. Landlords my feel under attack and as a result, get out of the market. Now, obviously, we know animal cells. The House that doesn't mean that usually doesn't remind debate. But if I do sell the house to a two, is a homebuyer by WHO's actually GonNa live an occupier typically. Occupies have fairly people on them then reduced. So I. Love I, Love People. But if you sold my house family, I imagine it would be I mean it's a large house for family. But I imagine it would be more like four or five people, and that's born out of necessity exit one. So because of that, when I read to property becomes I. On occupy property even though you lose people from the reading market, these still usually slightly lease retooled for the amount of Rita's there are. So because plying on vet does have an inflationary effect on, it's kind of the argument. The problem with that really is that read have just been going up anyway. So it's hard to know how much in a new law. STANDARDS OR A. Bright Line teast has really effective and how much does 'cause land prices? Exorbitantly. Fighting and a general democrates. So you know they know Dr Free To mockery adopt. So I've got my numbers right here. Five kind of a stigma government. That's how people usually think about it for national weekly reads and was June twenty seventeen to June twenty tweety rideau data is kind of messy. So you just hit the pay to maps compare really rich rose from this reads kind of average rates may be a voice and four hundred and twenty seven dollars a week to four, hundred and eighty five. So that's the dollar increase, and the free is prior sites for national. Government of during fourteen to join trees contain was an increase in three hundred and seventy four to four hundred dollars. So that's an increase of fifty dollars. It's been going up quite steadily for quite a long time for foreign areas like Christ church. We kind of is so much so much property on marketing crisis directly quite stable. As. We heard landlords and lobby groups and even briefest TV host have serious reservations about some of these new reforms. But some of the rhetoric around this as being described as a bit scaremongering Andrew. Bruce from the Oakland property investors. Association recalled a team of his who killed a neighbor's dog suggesting the reforms would make it more difficult to get rid offense tint. But. It's not a united front of landlords. Last wake Mark Todd's a landlord, nearly twenty years and found of autumn residential pinned a scorching pace for the spinoff website saying landlords were hyperbole leising for dramatic effects and not engaging with reality will. Lose out on the weakest eastern will. So there's nothing to complain about anyway, in the end, the macro-contexts you know in high nine ship. Is Actually You know an issue that affects families society mental health. You know well-being. You know there's a rangers leans is through which you can look it. You know high minor ship and and renting harms. There's different issues in the sector I. Just think he's a sophisticated compensation I'll be doing this I regulations as good as they came. Be You know look at the global context? Rather than all? You've changed the law I've lost someone. Else's while I. Mean that that's just natural and everybody's delays change. It's. It's just this is a touch point. You know I think that the real way to look at this time the started discussion about. Whether. It's healthy. You know for new, Zealand Baby. But I miss to have signed much of the wealth tied up in the reasoning property market. In some ways, it's quite lazy and nineteen ninety the average New Zealand. Was Three point three times income. Now it's like I. You. Know he's been de-coupling of Health Strauss's relative to incomes. And it's not the only reason that you've just you've got to acknowledge that part of it was a lot of money dumped into the reason to property market. Mike. Todd Sees New Zealand has some of them are pro landlord tenancy roles in the developed world and all these reforms really do as move us closer to a European Model Little Bit. Could you could use the fried a little bit hotter. I think these timeframes and multiple to to get a ten removed funding approach. To the discussion about outlying instance, he's he's it does any environment now high court full of white collar criminals that? Only, for fraud and they really got me going to write decided implications. Little tents. Class. Citizen. Like wall, even discussing like how I Tyson about nine wide. Modest broad they slice, and that does recognize that we behind the wheel in Tennessee writes in any industry, you can find extreme situations as a CTO. So of tastes that involve fraud and stuff, but the vast majority of businessmen they're not so was, but let's say a lower about what happens normally in life will translate. To be a landlord in here and it. To some phone nights organization speaking such to doesn't flaw that chance of seeking class, which is really what this meal. Wean these reforms GONNA, come into a and is that is that they take. They are happening. We know how they gonNA happen now, it's just a matter of waiting. To and force. You USA that possesion federating. So this is the lower land. Toilet seat. The changes to putting out with. The mops happening almost immediately. Actually we V because it's hard freeze on because that's a whole. Another topic I'm what's those left? The really free playing. We'll come in the ABA China's coming friend of sex MOPS, kind of give canes, animals, charts to. Get their hands off of us, and there's no chance that these reforms could be next after change government. Judy Collins head that she would get. Whatever is it's kind of unclear. Get rid of all of them even, but I actually said very clearly that she. Bashing landlords that driver ribs and that national would would you know get rid of them? That's it. For today I'm a meal on the detail is brought to you by newsroom dot coding seat in my possible by our and indeed on, you can get US downloaded free to your mobile device. 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SYSK Choice: How Music Effects You & Understanding New Power

Something You Should Know

41:46 min | 7 months ago

SYSK Choice: How Music Effects You & Understanding New Power

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With some practical advice you can use in your life today or or at least the next time you go to the doctor to get a shot. Nobody likes getting shots but did you know that if you hold your breath, the pain won't be as bad. Spanish scientists found that a sharp intake of breath triggers the brain to dampen the nervous system leaving person sensitive to pain. What they did was they squash the fingernails of volunteers for five seconds some people they did it while they were breathing slowly and the other people they did it while they held their breath those who held their breath reported the pain as much less severe by about half. Now, the technique only works when you know the pain is coming and it also only works when you start to hold your breath beforehand and that's what makes it perfect for the next time you get an injection, the doctor, and that is something you should know. Music is so interesting to me because it's part of everyone's life to a greater or lesser degree. We all listen to it some of US play an instrument or sing we all have our favourite songs and we associate some of those songs with certain times in our lives. Everyone likes some kind of music and it's a huge business. We spend a lot of money on music but why why is music so important it isn't necessary for our survival. It's really just entertainment. Or is it? John. Powell is a scientist and a musician who has studied our relationship with music. He's the author of two books how Music Works and why you love music and he's here to shed some light on why music is so important us. Hi, John. Welcome. So let's start with why people like the music they like I. Mean I have my taste in music. You have yours you may not like what I like and I may not like what you like, why do I like the music I like? We, we have a particular affinity. Most of a particular finicky for the music, we heard linked teens and early twenties. And retained not live of that particular sorted music. And if you ask somebody if you that ten favorite tunes you can probably look at what their ages because about half of them will be chosen from not period of the life. Isn't that interesting? I wonder why is that that point in in your life where it sticks? Oh. Well. Well several psychologists have worked on this actually. They found that we develop our personality. Late, teens early twenties we choose who we want to be, and we choose also things like sort of who want to read. The toothpaste liking and so. Me Something how Laker on is that? If you chose a wrong simple be take punk it is very straightforward. But as we get older, we saw hankering after something, which is a bit more complicated than what we're listening to. Maybe maybe it would Iraq maybe it was pop music. and we want which is not quite. So forecast -able. So people got older they tend to drift towards Johnson classical because it's it it's although you can build up a set of expectations about what you're going to hear next, which is one of ways to get pleasure from music. Classical jazz, also forecast of. So a lot of people will generally move towards more complicated music as older, but it always retain this love. Particular of the music that they heard in late teens early twenties you know what's interesting to me how time tends to be kind to music that You know when the Beatles first came out and all the other rock and roll that followed it. It was dismissed by older people as being crap and trash and rubbish and everything else. But over time time has been very kind to the Beatles people look back very fondly at the Beatles and and people look at at the. All the nuance in everything in the Beatles music that no one talked about back then. Yes One of the reasons why the Beatles have become accepted everywhere is because they played everywhere the people dislike them. You know that the parents of the teenagers who I the Beatles they never go to like the people's eventually died. The one of the reasons why the? Beatles almost universally popular is because the emission regional sales and being the aging population and their parents are all dead. And everyone thinks then is her the Beatles along on the radio and we looked music familiar with one of the main things that attractions. You can persuade yourself. Attracted to be listening to a lot. So. If you decided that you wanted to learn to enjoy. Bluegrass Banjo only have to do is go a couple of CD's call. And eventually you'll you'll be able to build up. A Saturday. Expectations about music. And that will make you whole end up with it, and so you cannot changer and taste if you wish having spent many years in the radio business I mean that was kind of the core of music radio was the way you made a hit song was to played a lot. You just play a lot and people love it. That's right. Yeah. I don't know whether you've ever had the experience of hearing pops on a living initially and. Off after my key plays well I've done that. What was the reason for that? it comes back to saying I was saying about complexity. Because when you first degree music, it sounds more complicated because you haven't heard it before, but I just repeated a few times. Border more. Obvious falls happening and eventually it will slip oil. You'll range of to become too boring for you. and. That's why we certainly a song that we looked at I twenty five plays. One of the things that I find interesting about contemporary rock and roll music is I have a son who's a teenager and he is very familiar with the music that I. Grew up with the rock and roll of the Sixties and seventies he knows who the beetles are. He knows who many of the the artists are from that era when I was his age I was completely unfamiliar with my father's music. I, didn't like it nobody listened to it. It was hard to find on the radio. It's as if rock and roll from the sixties and seventies had has much more staying power than music from say the thirties, the forties of the fifties. The music all the fifties and forties. Any great deal of it compared to what the rest of the seventies and sixties. Pop Music and also it's not easy to get hold of. So. People want to expose too much. But you will find that young people today making playlists where they'll have the the musical taste of young people today. NEEDS TO BE. In my day when I was an eighteen year old Mike, Ridiculous thing was prog rock and all my friends listen to that. We didn't do any other sort of those very limited. What we listen to we looked at, of course, what kind of rock. Progressive Rock. Bounce like, yes genesis and so on. But. Not Not dates me. You probably get my date within about three years that I'm sixty reacted. But. You know I was. In that era the young people today are much more likely to Connecticut because they can access multiple really one of them will get keen on Arte in chess or that with his friends and some of them will be introduced. African drumming. So that will shared around some of them are interested. Seventies pop me, and so they have playlist which are really diverse, which I think wonderful thing, and then also tribal as we were L.. Days. Why do you think it is that music is so universal is so loved is such a big part of our lives when really in terms of our survival and success and everything else it is somewhat frivolous and yet it is a huge business it is. So important and people must have it. Why well Pregnant. When I was working on my second book I and the recent research. into why music should be widespread. Darwin. Out. In his theory that anything that was very old and very widespread must be linked to survival. His idea. So he looked at music and he's really weird why should music survival and he assumed workout that's It was to do with sexual play. The you know my birds sing to each other to show how big and strong they are. So they can try partners and he's this must be the league to humans. But that has completely wrong because people don't seem to their potential partners. If you go to a stupid policy, then all carrying getting alzon. Instruments to show off to each other, they're not saying on musical that will go out with me. So it really isn't bad. It's really much more to do with a chemical oxytocin. oxytocin chemical that we generate sides like we generate adrenaline when my friend. Chemical Kulaks, boxy in which actually makes human beings bunk together. So, if your heart from being in a small. Tribe two, hundred thousand years ago There's maybe full you. and. If. You sang together. You'd last longer because you be bombed, they don't having this chemical system, which makes you feel. Better bonded, and so it's a threat came along you deal with it better. And music does that so just breastfeeding and sex but To the whole group at once. I'm this is a Darwinian reason why music exists but there's another one actually and is these new drink too because mothers how things only approach to their babies. They sing to each other inside the the reason why we? Are The survival tool is that we have seen that. Is. If you're. Your Baby. Cling to your hair. And so the monkey do whatever she wants to do while the clings on everything's fine but humans don't have that little body here. So the babies counseling them. and. Human Babies not very good modulated their emotions get the very worried and frightened the screen If they put down that's not sure what's going on. So the mother can't do anything the another call the meal. So we need a non contact method of calling babies and singing is a superb. And so you're not, why are you find lots of singing to the babies? It reassures the baby. The mothers nearby and also the tuna voice thinking reassures the daily. Danger. So they have to genuine Darwinian reasons to do survival want. We're talking about music and my guest is John Powell. He's the author of two books how Music Works and why you love music. Okay so good news during a challenging time for everybody, and this could really help. 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That's Eight, seven, seven, sixty, four, Bible Eight, seven, seven, sixty, four Bible. So John Ever. Since music became available digitally unseen Dis in MP threes that you download all there's been this debate about whether or not. It sounds better or worse than vinyl is better or the digital is better or that somehow digitizing music. Sucks the soul out of it or you know the warmth of the vinyl is what makes it sound so good or? Frankly I I've always thought that digital sounds better because it doesn't click and pop and skip and all that but but wh, what are you say? Yes. This is an old one the basically. Technology Nostalgia. In the nineteen thirties they may have gone over gold all Garneau, but they made you know discs a much higher quality, all of a sudden by getting through they used. People used to complain these letters to the Today newspaper saying they didn't want the new discs because the all Castro Nazis there wasn't so much just ocean. They wanted to distortion because it's exciting. So people are always in love with old technology. Basically. What school the something right nowadays is so high that human being contel. Ended up quite a few. Blind tastings if you like of Vinyl and CDs. The earliest CDs weren't very good. Just as the earliest digital digital photograph. Very good. Do Quite, Blackie. But once you got. the dots in your digital photographs. So close together ECON POW. Analogue or digital, then they are equivalent. And Music Systems. Now, there's no way human being distinguished. The. Distance between the dolts if you like Oh, hell. Digital. is now more accurate. When you look at all, you've looked at at music and all what are the things that that are either the most interesting there people find surprising or like this one thing about why do ten violins only to sound twice as loud as That kind of why do ten violins only sound twice as loud as one Well, there's two legions walking in physics of how they travel across the. Interior. And the other is how you'll sensors work. Let's look at sentences I. Your sensitive of that you alive. After the basic reason you know exist and they're very sensitive. Very low levels, of, stimulus. So that if you're sitting at the dock in a cave. On similize candle. You have made a huge difference deal world. If you lie second candle less difference but he's still a quite a lot. So. On a by anytime you thirty six got it doesn't make any difference at all. It's still accountable and they're still being late but because you are sensitive, would all June to do with very small stimuli? then I think more and more doesn't have. Ten ten equal twentieth foreigners your sensitive. The famous troops sound. We are designed to hear very quiet sounds like a snake. You and so we're very sensitive to low levels of sign. But You wouldn't have the difference between Twenty snakes and twenty won't snakes. E is a there's been extra snakes both. It's not useful. So. Basically. That's one reason why ten. Only signed with others. Wall. But fact if we just went for that, the ten minutes are probably sound about as fine violence. There's something else going on as well. The virus won't volume in is is basically vibrating sending sending ripples through the pressure to send your eardrums. The next next install so on his won't be in step with first ripples. Some of these ripples pushing when the other guys. Ripples of pulling. The waves out together won't won't does not equal to. In this case, everybody has their favorite music. Everybody likes some kind of music. But it also seems that people dislike some kinds of music and in fact, you you talk about how music can actually be used for crowd control. So tell that story. In. In Australia, the Sydney City Council. Or call them they become fashionable for teenagers to hang around the shopping malls. And the. Thing wrong they went to new legal. Just. Hanging around and IT WAS The shopping and So you wanted to get rid of them. So they tried getting involved leasable with the police. The teenagers went bullet mix doing anything wrong it's not a problem. they tried hypic noises, but the teenagers ignored them. And then. Somebody. had the brilliant. A playing by Barry manilow music. into the shopping malls and Barry is going to be so fashionable of. The two, thousand six but the old left immediately and thanked. Teenagers did not dropping balls because behind my nose playing and an. Psychologist. Is. Cool. THE MONEY ASPECT But in a barry manilow concert everybody doesn't leave absolutely absolutely but they're not they're not teenagers. The they usually you know middle-age folk. Is there any real evidence that playing certain kinds of music to children or to unborn babies or any of that? That has anything to do with your? To. Think or be smart or anything. This question comes up a lot is the. A particular researcher. Linked a quite linked IQ tests that she was doing with people listening to solve the four hundred. Three of people walk. In silence won't listen to Simone sort of another Yes, they had some relaxation instructions. For about ten minutes before they did it like you just then they'll do the task and the people that listen to the both saw. Like you improvement of Asia on points, which is schedule. I. So this go into the papers and suddenly. There was being played in nurseries trussell musically was big terrible being played in in prison so on well And Psychologist Gone But bandwagon to find out what was going on. And they did the test again I'm the they found. Yes it's true. Did work, and then they found Schubert worked and overwork. So they've they've got costs working then they tried pop music. And with young, people pop music work. And the even tried Stephen King stories about work to. What they eventually work walls. If just before an Iq test, you give somebody something which they joy I want you slightly stimulating. Exciting stimulating. Somebody somebody this birth, those things that bring. We'll be woken up in a good mood, and if you're if you're fully awaken in a good mood, you'll do. You test. So. Music was doing. was nothing to do with music actually two to suddenly there was just A. Music slightly stimulating and enjoyable. Well, thanks John. It's a really interesting topic that I think everyone can relate to who who doesn't like Music John Powell is been my guest. He's a scientist to musician and the author of a couple of books on music one is called how music works and the other is why you love music and there's a link to his books in the show notes. Thanks John No problem. Bye Bye. All very connected today. The Internet. Were all part of this huge community and this connectivity has allowed the creation of smaller communities and businesses. For example, AIRBNB, and Uber. AIRBNB as a business that allows you to book a place to stay but AIRBNB doesn't own those places. They've just connected the community that allows people to rent places from each other. Uber doesn't own a fleet of cars. Instead, they've connected people who do have cars with people who need a ride. This ability to connect people creates power for those who do it? Well, it has been called new power and it's something we can all understand and benefit from. Henry Timms has studied this carefully and he's the author of a new book called New Power how power works in our hyper connected world and how to make it work for you. I Henry thanks for coming on. Thank you so much really appreciate it and we obviously. Thrilled to be pulled his own cost. You guys are amazing. So explain what you mean in more detail than I just did explain what you mean by new power. The argument we've made is there is this new skill everybody needs to learn, and that is the skill can harnessing the energy of connected crowd, and so you look across all world look the. Unexpected victories of trump or an Obama look at the amazing power of the platforms like facebook Yuba, look at the social movements like me to on own ever again. Well they all having call is a workout is critical skill which is building the power of the crowd, and that's what we cool new power. Now, we don't think Oh, power is on the way out. So power if you think about power set of skills that we all learn anyone who's who's been successful over the loss decades learn how to be manager and learn how to influence in top Leeann learn how to think about kind of raising money in on the attention writing right press releases. But that skills now needs to go alongside this avenue power skills and those people who can most old power m new power of the people who were winning, right? So this ability to harness this interconnected world I would imagine that people would hear examples like Uber and Airbnb, and the other people that you and your co author mentioned and think we'll, but I'm not them I. Well, how does this apply to me? Yet. That's right. So I think Wallace take a let's take a a small example. There was a group of go scouts in Washington and they will offer two hundred thousand dollars. By. The dentist one, hundred, thousand dollars just one thing none of the money can go to support transgender goes. and. So what they did was they launched a campaign. It was called Hashtag for every go and it celebrated how inclusive a branch of the go scouts were and not only did it make broad statement to the wider community about what they stood for but they ended up raising over three hundred thousand dollars from connected crowd. One of many examples of the kinds away the everyday people are grabbing the same skills. FACEBOOK will Yuba you so well and bringing him into into their everyday lives. and. What's the secret sauce for doing that? How why is it that some go fund me pages raise millions and others ray ten raise ten cents. Well, there's no question as in sometimes, but I think there's also something else go home, which is how ready think about community dynamics one of the. Dangers with new power is lots of organizations will try something once in a while. So once a year, they'll have a sweepstake to invite that communities to. Send in their ideas for new product tool once the will roll out, do kind of off me anything on Youtube, and then the rest of the will go back to business as usual. But the people who do new Powell well are those people who it all of the time day after day after day thinking about building these muscles around how you connect with the crowd but isn't the the essence of power. Is, that you have something other people don't you have power over them to some extent that if everybody is powerful than nobody's powerful because then we're all the same well, think about something like the me too movement. Now that began with with Toronto book the activists but has spread now to make many women around the world more powerful hasn't ended one person becoming super famous taking up the agency is ended up distributing power broadly throughout network I think often just in the mindset that we. Expect everything to roll up to the benefit of one leader one individual. That's how the power world worked and there wasn't real dangerous to that obviously effective strategy. But lots of times we saw these movements rise up all these innovations rise up where they built around the figure of one one, very powerful charismatic individual and when that path cars Masic individual stepped aside or fell out, favor the movement they lead fell over with but if more and more people are exerting this new power. The only way you can exert new power over a community is to get their attention to get their time to get their involvement. Will I only have so many hours in a day to give to all these people with their new power. So the more of them who asked me the fewer of them will get the less powerful they become. More people exert their new power I think that's a very good insight and I think the outlines actually the The great challenge of our time. So if you think about people is bending almost an hour day now facebook why are they doing? It's because facebook offering them in this very meaningful, very rewarding routes participation F- eating invested that feeling agency that feeding belonging, and that's drawing them away from along the traditional sources of power and all the appetizers. A lot of things had our attention before lost our attention books something facebook. Come along so the future and I think you're right to point this out is going to be baffled for mobilization whoever actually manages to mobilize the crowd best is GonNa win. So what are the skills we need to learn to win that battle? How do we end up making sure that we can get the set of new power skills which blended with our old power skills can move the needle? So what are some of those new power skills? So in a new Powell that is interesting equation emerging about how you think about products it has three key characteristics. The first bit of the participation premium is an economic exchange right view selfridge you expect to get a fridge. The second part of this. Premium is a sense. Hi, pups, right. You're seeing time and again now think about any campaign is kinda coming out on top. You'll blending together both in economic exchange and a mole sense of kind of philanthropic engagement people wanna feel like theropod something. So Ben and Jerry's have done this. For a long time but the third Davis equation is where it gets more interesting, which is how you then create space participation. So economic value plus opportunity to feel higher purpose supercharge by offering people the chance to add that own framing at the flavor. So I'll give you an example from China as a Comfy Code Xiaomei which is a phone company in there about two to do an IP, which will which will be in the in the billions of dollars hugely successful startup. What's interesting about the phone company is they have a good. So they have these cheap funds which were really well, and that's the product piece. They have a sense of high puppets. They've created this kind of fan culture around them me fans, and these me fans now self organized that own events all over the country around the products of the company because they feel. So invested in the purpose and culture imagine your phone company us are they able to organize events of their fans with their fans show up with their fans who can is for them I think the answer's probably no but what they tied to a good product in the sense. Of kind of higher purpose is the whole organization is dedicated to increasing routes to participation. So every Friday, they actually open up a user interface so that fans can help improve that product when I think of a company that uses new power as you describe it a WHO who connects with the community I think of over and yet uber's had a lot of problems. I mean there was the whole delete movement last year I think it was where people were upset with them and lots of people canceled their account. So so new power hasn't worked all that well for them. Yeah. I think that I think that's right and I think the delete. Moment is a good example of why organizations who build Ben New POW need to keep faithful to it. Because what happened to do in the end they they had this amazing new Powell model right there their ability to harness the energies of the crowd was incredible. But the values were actually very old POW values. They were very competitive with everybody. They didn't build strong alliances with people. It was kind of very top down. And in the end that costs desio his jaw when when the when the precious came, the crowd wasn't dead to support Yuba. So so the interesting parallels actually lift you think about that comparison what lift is trying to do. is they're trying to say look we've got this amazing new POW model, but we've also got values the honor respect the crowd. So lift trying to carve out a space which is actually much mount much more around a kind of community por proposition. That Yuba has and you can certainly imagine a world. We did some research on this with some of the people in their drivers actually enjoy driving full lift a great deal more. In some ways what listening to you talk about this it all sounds. So you know just do what you want and connect with others and be powerful, and it's all very loosey Goosey. But if you're a business at the end of the day, you know you're a business, we're here to make money we have to make decisions. Somebody has to be the boss. There has to be some structure. It can't just all be this sideways. Everybody's equal loosey Goosey kind of thing. I think one of the challenges with this work is people assume that this binary you can either have complete control old as complete Kale's at, and that isn't actually what's going on what's going on is the organizations who are working this stuff out a creating really small ways of structuring the participation they're working out structures which actually allow order and they allow businesses to run, but they can do that which involves people at a scale and connects people escape the their predecessors never could. So let's take airbnb. Abby is is a new power model through through and there's no, there's no. Be I think that doesn't say that they've worked out how to put together an interesting model in terms of what they do, but it's no Anneke it's very thoughtful. They think a lot about how they structure for trust. They think a lot about how they unite all of that hosts in different areas around the world they think about wall statement, it makes you about being a part of the AIRBNB community in that means they've done all this thinking essentially around how they manage this huge distributors, people off of their payroll, but as a part of that community and get them moving in the right direction and so. If you WANNA hint as to kind of how these businesses look. That's that's the kind of structural. But I think we're looking to encourage people to stop thinking about. So it's not just you know throw everything out open everything up and see what happens. It's actually thinking very capri about how you build the participation. So I think you've explained pretty well what it is, what the new power is and given some excellent examples of who does it well, and maybe who doesn't do it well, but how do I do it? How do I on a very practical one two, three step-by-step how do I exert my new power? There are three things three kind of characteristics, your your ideas going to need, and let's take an example. Everybody knows well, the ice bucket challenge right huge huge success around the world. So. Why do the Ice Bucket challenge catch? All right. It wasn't. It was something very different than the kind of the telephone model. It replaced it a quote on the three reasons number one, it was actionable in this age of participation in off people to do something, which was you know tip wardrobe your head find someone to. It was connected to it. Connected people to you'll pays we will nominate each other, but it also connected to this high puppets of the S.. And number three extensible. It was an idea that wasn't like a franchise. It didn't have to be the same every single time. In fact, it was strong because it was different every single time. So some people tipped ice over their heads but the the actor The Shakespearean actor in the UK. mcallen did this amazing thing where he was right Patrick. Stewart. I think I think about it Patrick Stewart he didn't pull drop ice into into gloss posing whiskey on top said choose to the camera and then and then wrote a check now. That raised hundreds of millions of dollars because it was actionable, it was connected and it was extensible. So we call that an ace idea if you're looking to spread your ideas in the world, those three characteristics you can build into the idea. So other people can take your I did and take it somewhere else. But. Don't you think because we really haven't talked about this that. A lot of this is about how to create power with your idea, but it still has to be a good idea. A hundred percent. There are lots of lots of bad ideas in the power world and there are lots of bad ideas in the new Paulo that hasn't changed. The question is who is capable of the good ideas and that's what has changed. I mean that's why you'll see some of these kids on Youtube having audiences much much bigger than some of the traditional media because they worked out this new set of skills around building a community or engaging with the crowd, which is something, which is very different than the play book of the people that replacing. Yeah th-. That's the the perfect example of these guys on Youtube with millions and millions of viewers and when you. When you watch some of them you think. What What is it that Pudi Pie and these other guys do that you know the guy with The six cat videos that nobody watches but his mother. What did he do different? These Youtube Stars offering agency and offering belonging. Now that's motivating human behavior ever there's a sociologist marry him brew. She has this idea of optimal distinctiveness and that's the idea of how how people function best and she thinks people functioned best if they feel just the right amount of the same and just the right amount of different. and. So what these youtube stalls will often do although not always is they'll build a very strong kind of community around that brand, which is about to be engaging with that community and making them feel connected but they'll also make sure that there are lots of roots for people to participate in, add their viewing engage. So the fan forums, the comment wills, all of these routes to participation of Ray, much hav content itself. It's less like download TV mogul where we would order sitting there ingests the content and it's more like a world where they're trying to create a world of participation around that brand, and if you want a really good example of that look at someone lady Gaga. So, Lady Gaga has has obviously been hugely successful. Think about how careful she is not about making sure she's the superstar but making sure community is the superstars and everything from the social network she created from her fans to the iconography of her work to her songs. Themselves are about reversing the power dynamic, making about making fans feel more agency and belonging, and that's very different than how people would react with that fans back in the. Day while it's a very different way of looking at power and creating community and clearly has the potential. If you do it right to make money and to make someone very, very powerful Henry Timms has been my guest. His book is New Power how power works in our hyper connected world and how to make it work for you. There's a link to his in the show notes. Thanks, Henry. Thanks some Mike Iranian it and take. Does it make you feel good when you buy products that are packaged in biodegradable packaging? Well. Don't feel to good because while reusable and recyclable products are good. Biodegradable doesn't really mean what you think. It does why well, for anything to biodegrade, it must be exposed to oxygen light and water, and there is very little of that in a landfill. In fact, landfills are tightly packed to prevent those things. That's why when products and packaging and food or dug up in landfills fifty years later they look fine they didn't biodegrade at all. A banana peel will biodegrade in a home composting pile in a few weeks in landfill a banana peel may never biodegrade. To help the environment stick to products that can be reused or recycled, but don't put too much stock in biodegradable. No. If you like this program I invite you to share it with someone. You know it will help us grow our audience and it will also impress your friends with how smart you are I'm Mike carruthers thanks for listening today to something you should know.

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79: Jake Shears Is The Unicorn!

"He's I'm here with my dear friend. Mattie Patterson and we're here chatting with my dear Jake shears. Who was the Unicorn on the masks singer I doing donning? Hello I'm I'm going down in New Orleans with toby. Toby my dog and we're just I'm having little catch up on some rest for a couple of days. I'm very well thank you. You've had quite the two week recently. I mean being unmasked as the Unicorn. I got unmasked to This last week on. I am the Unicorn. it it's been like really it's been very sweet. It's been I didn't quite know you know what's what's the reaction would be to the show in the UK. I had a feeling it was going to be really big. Oh sure just because it's still flip in Weird uh-huh is the craziest show I think in the UK we've ever seen. It's like sometimes if you watch it like it's just like trippy to just sit there and once very a weird but the fun thing about it is is it like I love that. It's like kids it can get really into it. It's like totally thing that like. You know it's family entertainments. Yeah but like kind of subversive because it's so tripped out and it's fairly clear to I mean definitely my episode. I and also in terms of sharp dressed man the way that you redid the lyrics you made a bit of a change. Tell us about that. I think the lyric I. I can't remember what I did. But it was like everybody's crazy that's right girl crews out is bad as I made it genderless. That's right. Ah I haven't really watched I haven't watched any of the numbers just like Nat Watch. I can't I can't really go back home problem with that. Unfortunately you would stop watching yourself a really hard time watching stuff of myself in also because especially with this. Because I feel feel like I'll have flashbacks to the absolute terror feeling every single number that I did only it was like pure panic absolute. Because you can't you can't breathe. You can't breathe. And they had like eight must bean like like absolutely horrendous head-to-toe D- disguise trying to sing trying to perform in like the most insane I've ever seen in my life like yours is literally the bus every scanners all your skin is covered. So you can't feel anything. I can't hear anything because you've got in your monitors so if anyone tries to talk to you while you're suited up your anything anyone saying unless they're like on a microphone connected to your ears and then you can't see anything because like you know I'm just looking through to tiny little holes like you have no idea what's it's essentially like. You've you've been kidnapped so fun. It was just like one of those. I knew I knew that it was just going to be one of those. There's one of a kind experiences that that I would never really have the opportunity to do again. Just because it is so bizarre right and And I also liked the fact. It's it's a real challenge to it. It was super hard work. It's a major challenge because you have to perform at peak capacity while while also dancing and being completely encased in this bizarre outfit and perform songs like Babushka which. I don't know what I was thinking with the goal I was like what is going to be the weirdest things like put like what's GonNa really trip. The Brits out issue was before the by when house. You see with Steve. Let's get into that a little bit. So what was your process for selecting the songs did you choose all the songs I chose all my songs. Yeah oh ooh that's amazing. They guide you through the process. You know they want you to do something. Contemporary they want you to have a variety of options. Sure I mean private dancer was the one that got away private But they couldn't get that one license but bad Lucia. I thought would be really cool because a I mean you know. It's it's a song British iconography I mean at the end. I just thought it would be really like what's the weirdest thing we could do here and fun. Funny Money tidbits so the next week. I did juice by Liz. Oh contamination And I had no idea who else is on the show with me. We're all in complete isolation. I truly seem as finding out with everybody else. Here's on the SUPERFUND old. What I heard from the producers is it everyone had a very hard time finding contemporary songs to sing really iconic compeletely? That you got Cleveland's for Babushka and didn't get Claybin for private dancer like I just find that really leaney mud. I would have thought about getting a kate. Bush song would have been a lot harder than getting. It's unclear. I feel like I feel like kate might have had a feeling that that you know somebody like me might have been there. Maybe because it was like the Cleveland City with like a musical licensing out live. I also think like that but you just think it's fucking you give you this song by the boat. Here's the other weird thing. Is it like how strange strange to Kate Bush. Like usually you're getting requests for running up the hill and weathering is like a request for Bush. Go on ogling a major. I'm sure she's just like Oh okay. I don't I don't know what you're doing with it. But whatever the hell it is due at grumadaite go. Yeah go crazy And but people had a really hard time finding contemporary songs Which I find really interesting? Just there is something about a songwriting heading in music. That has changed so drastically in the last year. Two three five years. There's nothing really sing. I mean there's there's there's songs with like you know hooks and In bits and tracks. But there's no one's really writing songs songs anymore. Okay Gotcha so you can't when you're under that when you're under a mask like that you need like a song to say completely with the vocal. Yeah and a proper song and It's just really interesting. I think everybody had a really hard time finding current stuff to thing and included. I mean I went through in tons and tons of playlist all of the current contemporary music in had a really hard time finding anything. I was so thankful that I could do juice juice because I was just a great fit for me and it was really wonderful to hear you do such a wide range of material too because it showed all of viewer abilities it ran the gamut and then I mean the next one I did shock just man which is really fun clues eats up up find clues song was tough okay and comfortably numb okay but that would have been given the game way right. That would have been. Yeah that would have been sued. But then and then after that I did I had the idea that like a Canberra nab like Chicago cabaret array style cover of girls and boys by blur right and they were really into the idea and so they just you know constructed and arranged this version of the song and let me let me. Do you want to you think I was so heartbroken because the next day I was gonNA Copacabana and hero to my favorite trucks Copacabana Capanna Nielsen. DACA BOURBON LOW. Oh my God I is to favor is neal's the darker I'm Barry Manilow. So that's why my confusion came -solutely to the best trucks and I've heard you sing Copacabana and it's quite fabulous. Darling Oh thank you. Thank thank you know I had A. I had a good run and I had so much fun on the show and and I really. I don't know just very thankful for it because it's been really sweet we Just since have been unmasked it's been gotten so much love from the British public. Sure of course. What was the process? This is like when you got the GIG and the whole lead up to everything. Well it was everything super secret you know so you had. The show had a nickname of the. I can't even allowed to stay with fake name of the show was so all emails and and transactions and stuff it all had. It was a fake name it was. We had a fake name for the show. Gotcha and you know I was just doing a lot of like stuff on facetime with them. just getting ready before it and talking about SARS in going through arrangements and then once I got to the UK it was just like full tilt boogie like we. I was staying in London. It's shot shot about an hour and a half outside. London focus so I would get in the car and about two miles away from the from the studio like I would have to completely we cover up in anybody. I had to completely cover up and where these like welder's mask. Things of your face. Were a Hoodie. That giant Diane and giant White Letters. That said don't speak to me. 'cause I couldn't speak to me gloves. I'm like everything is covered in that I couldn't there was only only like two of the producers and then like I had like a liaison and vocal coach knows where the only people I could speak to everybody else worked on the show also. Didn't no it was me. Wow how much input. You'll KAVAK. Todd did you have will be interested in a Unicorn and I thought I thought it would be a great great. A perfect fit for me and you know. They sent me a sketch that looked awesome. I had a couple of notes on it. And then they're like. Do you have any anything you want us to do with it specifically and I just said I want big blue eyes. Seattle is kind of a clue because I have these crazy the rolling insane close next level insane like apps and really like raise A. Hey I love it. It's like a hodgepodge. Well everything looks different near the thing I liked it. Some of the costumes are kind of scary. We're just cool. It's scary children stuff similar to return to ause one of your favorites. Yeah and and there's something a bit Henson the about my my Unicor which I I loved the the is very uppity. I'm like not to be biased. But you'll call. Shame is my favorite. What was amazing when when we got unmasked you know? There's all these photographs of the parents of their children like devastated in tears. Crying Stopping because the Unicorn got like was Dr Guess. Everyone loves a Unicorn you know it was a fan. I Ah I gotTa say you are a fan favorite. Yes Oh it was a blast much fun and I accomplished that you will separate backstage the whole time. You have another front on the show. Yeah just saying from the donets. Eric got that I heard him as you. Just hear your bids out on stage together at the end. He's got such a distinct voice and I thought that was that was him. I think the Hedgehog is Tony Hadley eight from Spandau Ballet. Taty didn't know I am calling it. I'm convinced it's Tony Happy. I love a based on dial ballet cells. I think Queen B might win but now I'm with everybody else. I have no idea what's going to happen. So it's very exciting though. Let's talk a little a bit about your process in terms of getting into character because from what you told me before you've been pretty devout in staying in character. Yeah I kind of wanted since. We're all basically glee like theme park characters. You know you know if you go out at Disneyland dressed up as seven were you gotta play the part mark so I just figured that I would do a character whenever the Unicorn left the dressing room Off Camera Yeah I would. I would like I started to try trotted everywhere Irish. Say I would communicate with my hugs Sir my host together dancing. Who've yeah I would you like a little winning and like I would do a little like like a little trick people out? Just because like you know like it'd it'd be like the the runners and stuff that are like escorting you to the stage and like I would just completely be like I did not break character the whole time a a weird so I'm just going to be weird like the opportunities just like just mess with everybody and just beasts like really silly weird with a man exactly chief. Let's really take it there but which I think was like really appreciated like I feel. La it added to the spirit of the whole thing. I don't know I it was. It was so much fun. It was so much fun and I would do it all over again. And the bizarreness is a major factor of it and the specialness of it and it really inherent to the best parts of pop. Yes yes and it's it's really funny. How in America and in the UK you know when the show debuted just like these these newspaper articles being like this is a sign of society's collapse are we we doing as a you know? This is the worst fig like Jerry Lake Real schoolmarm e hands on fs wagging finger. Yeah reviews of the show snobbery which are which is so funny because they're totally useless and it turns out that the people you really love this show people get joy from it so much bond price before anyone ever even seen Zeenat slugged to folk and like before the first episode even add because it was like The Concept Shit. What the fuck is exactly Klay but then when people watched it on my God fucking obsessed with this show and Tan the tide? 'cause it's like everyone's got an next factor everyone's got Britain's got talent American idol. Yeah and this is bizarre and so weird and so camp and so Welkom fucking obsessively comp and then it started now certainly everybody is obsessed suggestive to show and it was really really prejudged tacky garbage. Now everyone's got. Who's WHO's an ex person? WHO's this on? My God started this whole new thing and I think he's a little more fun. It's just like Glam rock and the new romantic era new wave etcetera. It's very in line with AB Yeah I think that people are now genuinely addicted to it because we want joy especially in dark political times. You know as we're in now what we're going through and we've had the cycle before and we need these things to lift us up yet agree and you are major part at that and you always have been and proud to be an always. Been Down to Jason Weird Shit and bring joy if I answer the best this way to look at the thick within bring the joy bringing Joel exactly love in a penny and then it's awesome because I get to roll it right into. It's you putting a new song out which comes out on your birthday crown. My God special for me. Thank you so much Dan. It's called meltdown and It's just like a pump in disco jam. What is such a perfect present for me? Yes yes yes. He's going to get so. I kinda keep your keep your eyes and ears and hooves open for it but yeah it'll come out February fourteenth. I'm so excited. I can't wait to play your hot new track on my birthday which I am celebrating braiding in London with Mike and Mattie. Yeah Oh we may see so much. Do I wished I could. I wish I could be there. it'd be awesome. But you know we're going to have some time soon we're gonNA see each other and reduce some fun stuff in La in Vegas. Yes yes. y'All varies is and I'm so happy we can take this little catch up chat. I love you hear me to thank you. Love you to let me marry bands only at gotta end sending. y'All have a great great rest of your week in London. Thank you we love you so much love you too all right talk. y'All soon. Yeah Talk to you soon. Eh uh-huh.

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Answering Your Questions with Kelly Henderson from Velvet's Edge (The 5th Thing) (11-19-19)

4 Things with Amy Brown

26:14 min | 1 year ago

Answering Your Questions with Kelly Henderson from Velvet's Edge (The 5th Thing) (11-19-19)

"Today's show is sponsored by Connick. You can shop online for all things I wear. They carry over sixty brands of glasses. Sunglasses and contacts you can find popular contact Lens. Brands like acuvue air optics and by affinity or you can even try on frames from Nike Raven and others with their virtual try on tool from the comfort of of your own health so visit icon ick dot com slash amy. That's E. Y. C. O. N.. I C. dot com slash any and use the code a meeting at ten percent off your entire order so so for today's QNA. I got another guest which is fine in this. CUNA IS GONNA be all about fall winter fashion so the end of the year rolling into early early next year. And it's my friend Kelly. She's been on the podcast for four at velvets edged on instagram and she is my fashion guru through like. If I'm wearing anything going anywhere I will take a picture then. We're in Texter and I'm like is this. Kelly approved But for like serious work events where I need to look put together. She officially like styles. Me and bobby too. So it's kind of a win that we both are friends with you. And she was a stylist to. Because we're we're we we end up were well. We worked together so it works out and most recently she saw us for the CMA's or the Ama awards and had me in a pink suit and a little bit. When you first showed me that like two months ago I think I was like no? I don't really know but I mean I just trusted you and of course I loved it but I still felt like I'd never worn a suit anywhere before and you nailed it like goes perfect suit. Emails suit was the thing this year. The seem as very much so and we weren't expecting Matt no but everywhere I turn I was seeing women in suits and I loved it it and I was wearing it proudly I love the color I love the material I love the suit and so yeah females bust out the suits where I I think it was obviously so timely with everything going on with women empowerment and it's just kind of got that behind it but it was such to me. It's such a put together together sophisticated but still sexy. Look I loved it. I thought he looked amazing. Oh well thank you view patting myself. I thought you looked amazing. They got good jobs so with that like I never would have put that together. So that's why we're Kelly is our GOTO. And so if she's it's my Go-to than if you're listening to this she is your go to and you can follow her on instagram. You can go to her website. VELVETS EDGE DOT com because she has a fashion stuff. That's up up there and more stuff. It's a lifestyle block. She has her own podcast that covers a variety of topics. She kind of comes on my podcast as the fashion expert but she offers way more than that. And I'm actually going to be on an upcoming episode of yours so we're talking about some like ways to serve others if you've got a family and get your kids involved so very diverse Kelly and all the author operate now. She's going to answer fashion questions that I have and I feel like I'm representing almost people when I ask you these questions and these are legit things. I would text Kelly so we're just going to run through my questions here on the episode the fifth thing so here we go. Yeah I was going to get my nails done for the CNA awards. And I texted Kelly. Like what color do I get my nails because is I know that read is a big color this year for Niels it is I. I honestly didn't know that either. Remember you and I just separately separately started doing read to me. It has been just a fun change up. I'm typically like black and white kind of person but I decided I was super interested and then I started seeing it everywhere where to I think a lot of people are having that just need for color this all the Red Maroon Moma and I knew my suit was pink so I didn't WanNa have the red so I legitimate. Didn't know if white and black nails were still in because I knew white or black would go with what I was wearing but for some reason I thought what I knew. They were in style at one point but I was like what if they've suddenly gone out of style and I get my nails done wider black and then Kelly's like what have you done so white and black still good. Why don't bike are always good? They're going to be the staples that never go out of style and it's like with stuff like that. You're you're hot pink like we said so I mean you don't WanNa go to who over the top with your nails we could have done nail art thing maybe but when we initially did are fitting you had white males and I just love that pop of white against the hot pink. It really worked. Yeah so if you want nails that go with a lot of different things yeah season-long than white or black as a safe right. I went through a phase where I think I did white males for full year. Like it's just so easy. And I like my go-to color is funny. Bunny which is like a soft white. You love that like white out why it looks like what. Aw you either love that or you hate it cause some people literally ask me if I put out on my mind is blank se. That's the one I always go to. It's very very wise so turn turn down. Yeah since we're talking about colors what about not nail color but like color for the season like are there any colors like if people are wanting to really get into what's happening with the end of two thousand nineteen vibes. I think just color in general has been a lot bigger for fall in two thousand seventeen than it has been in the past because typically we seem like muted colors coming out in the fall in like the hot pink suit she wore. I mean that's kind of the thing is a lot of pastels. Els which is typically a spring color. They like bright colors or huge. Something we were talking about before is I love like a winter whites so I was reading on. WHO At war earlier? What did they call it? Oh who what where who what wear A. Yeah your brain from target. Who what did I say? What war uh-huh? Oh now I can't of course find what I was even reading to you. It's like that all I think it was vanilla. CUSTARD Vanilla custard the names. They come come up with. I mean but it does sound it. Sounds Fun to say. I'm wearing vanilla custard But Yeah it's just that off-white and I think it looks so chic in the wintertime. A love that however you want so it's that some people feel like they're not supposed to wear white after Labor Day so we can just throw that out of that out. I mean that's such an old rule. I don't know anyone. He lives by that anymore. Yeah and I think even this is a question. I got Actually from Eddie's wife was going to the CNA awards. He's from the bobby bones show and she. He texted me wondering if she could wear a white dress to the C.. Seem awards. Yeah and or maybe any. If you're getting dressed for I get a lot first of all the awards already already done second of all. You're probably not going to awards. He's listening to this. Maybe but you have. Christmas parties are different holiday events. Or things you want to get dressed up for new year's Eve coming up and people fluoride planning for that stuff so like is white okay for functions. I think sometimes it's just so reserved for the bride that we don't really use it as much even though the aren't weddings that were going to. I mean that's the one place you don't say that's the one place when you're going to a wedding I would say. Let the bride her day and white but yet if it's if it's an appropriate white especially a winter y which is a little more subdued than your bright lights are going to wear in the summertime but I think they're totally great for events or parties or Christmas parties. Ladies that you might have an K.. And then when it comes to like also getting dressed up now this could be to a party. This could be with jeans or address but I know like a couple of years ago so I invested in some super tall boots. Yes and I guess my brain. I know that I bought them like three years ago. So my brain. I wonder every season then when it circles back around. I'm like are these still in season because I mean I'm going to be that person's GonNa throw him a tall boots and be ready to walk out feeling great and then not that anybody really cares her. Judging me but I didn't I don't 'cause like boot wise stuff like doc martens or even like boots that have like a thicker that that you love like a duck martigny look like those are very in right now and I used to have doc Martin's back in like eight degrade. Yeah anything that is is reminiscent of the nineties is still really huge. which obviously Docs are? That's when I was wearing But over the knee boot is never going out of style. No Good Ed. You're great because those were I mean you can find. I mean they come in a variety of prices. Like there's great ones but I I made a little bit investment and I wanNa make good so I can still wear the over the knee Talbot. Yes I mean I think that in different years there'll be certain boot heights that that can kind of be the staples but but like that's just never going out of style it's classic and Crime and then I think look maybe last time you were on or at least we were talking about it like how animal print was just very in having a moment so I don't know if that moment still happening. No I'm it's still happening for me. I will say. I think I'm a little over the leopard like not totally over it. But it just got so oversaturated that I'm kind of taking a personal break you know from Leopard. But snakeskin is huge. All of the other ones are huge essay that I'm about to put leopard carpet. House found those leopard high heels lying. I'm completely should. I still be wearing them. They're so cute forgot. What about those deals? I love those heels trying to break up with leopard but I can. I know it's just too good putting leopard carpet in your house and your closet or where. Oh Oh cute okay. 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That's stitch fix dot com slash kids slash amy stitch fix dot com slash kids slash Ami And what about since we were talking about animal print is like a fabric. I'm seeing tons of velvet love of it. That's that's going to be something you see a lot in the fall and winter 'cause obviously it's a thicker material so you won't see those those kind of materials in spring and summer but velvet is so chic it to me. It has like the way even if you have a black dress on but it's velvet amps. It up a little bit adds a little edge. I got this like dress us from Zara. It's like a black baby doll. Ish Dress again fills very nineties and has some velvet on it and I got some doc Martens Martin so how would could I because it's colder so what I just pair that with like maybe some black tights and doc martens and I'm going to go. Oh my gosh. She was screaming nineties right now. I love this but yeah it's totally your jacket over it. Which Zara by the way We're getting Nashville. We are Yes Casey. That makes me a little. It'll sad because that's my place I go hit when I'm in New York or La. And so then I don't. It seems more as well. Now it's coming to Nashville and I couldn't be more pumped because and if y'all are listening right now on your legs Zara. I don't know what that is. Well I learned about it in Galle is yes it is in in New York and my husband and I I had to go to New York for earn Old Dominion Album released and then my husband is a pilot and he had a flight like a layover in New York. So we ended up getting to spend the day shopping and hanging out and going out to eat so we went to kitchen. And so good and then we desire and it's so affordable and so cute and the kids stuff if you've got kids and you're trying to fine like winter coats and stuff that aren't going to blow the budget. Then because kids grow up so fast like Zara Dot com like hit it are h and m to me or the to to go to use for trendy for just like fun small pieces especially for kids like you're saying h and M has a really cute kids department to And they have a home goods section section so I didn't know that it's all really cute but yeah especially with the trendy stuff you don't Wanna spend tons of money because you're probably only gonNA wear it for one season so those are some key places to go hit up. Yeah not to give away all your secret in Seattle work dress me and I still need your help like even with with like the hair Burrito yeah trend like I keep seeing that and I thought about doing that with my pink suit but then your earrings not big though. Yeah I thought about the clip before we got the earrings and then I just ended up wearing massive statement earrings. That were awesome so we you did the clip but but that's still a way to make an outfit super cute is with the hair clip. haircuts have actually have a full post on velvet dot com Tom with my favorite links to different hairclips. Because they're super in right now they you know there's different decorative kinds of clips that you can get like strutted or even pearls which sounds so weird for me but I love him like a never thought. I would wear pearls but I do But yeah in headbands are really into. So that's there's another fun accessory you can use just to if you feel like you're wearing any little need a little pop or you don't WanNa wash your hair. Don't WanNa wash your hair guy. Yeah I think this thick headbands like really really thick and your hair like just however you want down on her down okay And then what about Lip Color because sometimes like a big. Well I think last fall when me like red was a good pop. Maybe for Holiday Party you were saying saying like just pop in the red. So are we still safe with that. I always love a good read lip but especially I think in the winter. Everyone's a little more fair skinned. It just looks so pretty. Okay yeah I mean I feel like I've seen a lot of Maroon ish lips like a deeper red. I'm into that okay. I'm never I mean I'm GonNa have to. Maybe when I go to some parties actually own when people are hearing this it'll be the night of Bobby's holiday parties having like. Oh a Thanksgiving Christmasy show get together at his house. Yeah on Tuesday night. Okay Tuesday when people are hearing this and maybe I'll try read. I think the key with Rattus finding what works fast with your skin tone. No like we've talked about that on here before because your eye color your eye color but you can look at your veins number and if your veins look a little bit more blue that means you're a cooler tone seal WANNA stick to cooler tone reds if you if you're rains read a little bit more green like I'm holding up my hand right now. I forgot to tell people they just look at the veins in your hands and if they read a little more green that means you can do a warmer read. Yeah Okay Super Helpful trip which Kelly's also a makeup artist artist and she does hair and makeup or grooming mostly grooming these day dirks. He doesn't not here makeup. And then even bobby for all of his American idol stuff like she's always on the road doing different things So and then something exciting that you also have going on as you're launching like a velvet I've got a velvet off at velvets. Edge is vintage t line. Yes this is. The main thing that when I'm posting about my outfits people are always asking about where I get my. I T. shirts and I'm a huge advantage t-shirt where myself and obviously I can't tag a link to those kind of places so I was like I got to help the people out and I have got to open opened the shop because Vinci shopping is like a very specific shopping. You know like it can be super overwhelming kind of have to dig a lot pick through a a lot of bad ones before you find the one good one and actually just love it so That's what I've been doing for. The last year is just collecting all these minutes. Teas and the shop's that's probably going to open next week. The first week of December so I'm wearing It's a Kelly Henderson vintage find right now Would you actually got at this for Bobby though and I love that. Get vintage hand-me-down. From Bobby first one is George Strait one and whenever I wear people love it. And this when I'm wearing today is Barry manilow from his nineteen eighty-one tour. which is my born year? Low Shoutout Nineteen eighty-one but I love that. Yeah I just got these gifted because for whatever reason I don't know bobby and are like the same t shirt size. I guess now now that he's all Kito and I don't know why he got rid of this was just. It's a little bit. He's worn it a lot and I think that one was a smidge snug okay. He was like he doesn't want anything snug lately. Well why Lubbock humoring him snuggle you looking where it once. And then he passed down to me because vintage teas I will say like they pulled together any outfit and now they can get pricey but that the music ones I mean these you. They're authentic there you know so. They're legit and they have value one of a kind. Yeah Yeah I mean I mean I get it and I've invested in a few and I wear them all the time and it's a way to like throw on with a pair of jeans like it might be the one piece that you spent a a little bit of money on but you throw on like acute jacket vegan leather or leather whatever jeans and boots and like you feel a little bit pulled together when you just have on a t-shirt yes and it's the one thing I mean I get the most compliments on my cheese of anything. I wear which I think you do to always want to know where you'd get it. Mine are going to be. Obviously we all authentic. There's no fake vintage going on did shop but so yeah some of them can get a little pricier especially the music teas but you end up wearing them so much just like any investment piece. I tell people like you're gonNA wear it for so many seasons. They never go out of style. Obviously the only get better so it's worth it and then it could be a good gift for somebody like if it's someone that you know you want to get a good gift for them. A Nice gift like not that against requires you to spend a certain amount or anything but something they would never buy for themselves. Somebody might really like that but they would never by themselves have vintage t but you know they would really like it if their favorite band from back in the a day or you know their parents like that music or it could be something sentimental like that and it's not the investment is worth it because it's a really thoughtful gift yes So I like that Another thing that I was thinking of that might be good like on the like cheaper side but a cool gift for people is like those vans sneakers. Yes checkered slip on. And they're like fifty bucks bucks and you just find out your friend or lover and size and then just automobile those because those literally really go with everything everything and they add a little flavor to every outfit. It's a little bit of color but it's just a pop of something I wear them with. Everything actually need to get a new pair pair of down so much. I got some a while ago but sometimes I'll put them on and I'll be like I don't really know if it goes at this and then I know joke I just go to your instagram. The Gramm am I I look at different outfits that you posted them like Oh Kelly did find it a little bit out of my comfort to be so like the the like short wide legged pants like made well has some right now that are pretty affordable and I mean affordable is all relative because people make different things but I feel like made wells is safe brand. That's not too yeah. Extreme but target also has such amazing stuff right now like this. I have this jacket today today with my Barry Manilow Vinci that's wild fable and it's like what would you call this. Kelly like A. It's kind of like a Sherpa but yeah like a shirt but it's so Q.. Like a Camel Sherpa bomber jackets situation and it was twenty nine dollars so that it's so comfortable right and then I've got on a pyramidal jeans on my adventure like it. Just this is helping pulled together outfit and again it was twenty dollars like go to target right now and get this because it'd be a great gift for yourself self or somebody else and it's Kelly approved Stephanie. How I'm going to have to go get one? And that you mentioned the Vanilla Vanilla custard like what where that's a good brand or you mean war. That's a good brand. At target Gal Alvin target collaborates with different brands. I feel like they always nail it which I think we might do speaking of collapse we might have like an SPA. Vin velvets edge collapse with the four things pouch but more on that later but obviously be very like female empowerment not really 'cause yeah negativity. The Kelley Rescreened Matt But yeah so velvets edge DOT COM. You can find a lot of stuff that that we talk about and then just get fashioned inspiration and then I also love up there. You have your wishlist. The wishlist is a great place. Another great place to go shopping for Christmas or for yourself. Or if you're just ever like Iraq in your wardrobe and you're like what is that one piece on me. It's a great displays for inspiration things. I'm loving that I find online. There's a a couple different tabs that you can shop on. Velvets have shut my everyday favorites shop vintage and then yeah the wishlist is a really great place. You can also shop your instagram. Oh yeah MHM which. That's kind of like a new. I see people do it. Maybe it's just because I don't use it I don't have that feature But it's like you literally you click on the Lincoln the bio and it takes you to shop the instagram every post. Yes the Lincoln Bio it's a new thing but yeah it makes it a lot easier because I just feel like everyone. Nowadays is the going through instagram. Like that's the simplest way to shop things. So it is. You can go re blogs that way. It's all linked through instagram. At velvets. Edge judge I mean I will talk about something. I don't know if it's up to you but I'll talk about it and then it'll show up as a sponsored ad. Whatever on my instagram? And it'll oh be pertaining when I talk about and then I'm like Yep okay go unless US podcast right now like Vans is gonNA checkered shoes. Probably on your instagram. Sorry about that. But we'll make shopping easier because you just click on it and then when people do like pay through Amazon and they're different different company they're not Amazon or use apple pay. Because it's so easy you don't have to enter in anything because Amazon apple already. Have all of your Info and you hit. The button is so dangerous so dangerous. No it's it's very very dangerous but also super helpful and I love that people like Kelly take the time to share their expertise and put up post like that too lot the not the sponsored ad ones. That's not you on your page doing that. Because that makes it easy for people like me. I don't I don't want to think too much about it because I always second guess everything because I don't people ask me fashion questions and I laughed. I'm like I have fooled. You don't give yourself enough credit. I will say though that pimp enjoy does have a hot pink sweatshirt right now so so we're very on trend. It's like probably. Yeah anti a Lotta Pimp enjoy is getting getting trending. 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#151: Gal Meets Glam Founders Julia Engel & Thomas Berolzheimer - Blog to Brand to Product Line, How To Stay Focused, How to Execute a Long Term Vision & Working With Your Significant Other

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#151: Gal Meets Glam Founders Julia Engel & Thomas Berolzheimer - Blog to Brand to Product Line, How To Stay Focused, How to Execute a Long Term Vision & Working With Your Significant Other

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And it was the first dress that I saw the seamstresses making a sample of. And I burst into tears the moment. Iside because I just couldn't. It couldn't believe that. My vision had finally come to life in a product, and it was beautiful, and I wasn't crazy with with my ideas clip. But clippers from our guest to the show Thomas barrels and Julia angle from the blog, turn brand gal meets glam on this episode. We discuss what it takes to go from blogger to brand to product and succeed how to stay focused on long-term goals in the process of working with your significant other which Lauren, and I know plenty about for those of you that are new to the show. My name is Michael Bostick. I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder. Most recently, the CEO of deer media, and I am Lauren. Everett's Michael's wife. I am all relaxed from Kabul. And I am the creator of the skinny confidential which is a blog a brand. And obviously a podcast was when I got when we got back from Mexico. I kept trying to get in with you a strike kept trying to like for those get in it. What what does that Michael? I was trying to get it in. Okay. We were trying to get it in the second. I landed from New York so for people that aren't aware of what we're talking about. It was just anniversary you have to step away from that phone. I think the whole time down there. I'm trying to get it in and you're trying to get it out. Right. Okay. Trying to get that out. I'm trying to get that content in Michael I I had to do some content, but I did make time for you. So so don't act like you're crying about how home I supposed to like turn it up. You turn it up the Barry Manilow Marvin Gaye going when you have that camera on every second you guys. I was trying to videotape him. I turned off my phone for half the trip. I would say so we were will I was in New York for the Victoria's Secret fashion show, and it was amazing. I'm gonna do a recap of all the tips and tricks in the meantime, you can go to a pitcher on my Instagram or my boobs are hanging out. And I'm wearing a purple bodysuit and swipe right and see some behind the scenes anyway, I was there for the show. It was insane. I can't wait to share some BTS with you guys on the blog. And then from New York, I went straight to Kabo, which was a little weird to not travel with Michael because I'm so used to him micromanaging, my every move when I travel, but I made it want wanna know. Okay. So you had to you had to take multiple connecting flights. I want to know it was bleak. You left the you left the hotel at like three in the morning. I left the hotel at five in the morning, which for those of you travel to JFK New York is a pain that's a pain in the airport to get to. And you know, just got rated the worst airport in the United States. Okay. Well, I got a spray tan in my room at one AM. Mm. I had been drinking from the Victoria secret. After party, I stayed up all night. I packed. I got in the car at five flew to the airport or drew drove to the airport. And almost forgot my passport, Michael you would have freaked out and got on a plane to see you. Well, I wouldn't have freaked out. But I just I wish I could have been like a fly on the wall to watch your trouble. 'cause I tough is you act. I know I'm not a good trop-. How you are. No. I just like like when you do everything for me. But now, do you know what the problem is? No since you now that I've seen that you're capable to do it under own what you should be because you're an adult woman. Now, I know you can do it. So I know I know I don't have to help you as much when we go to the airport. Now, I'm always gonna play that card. Do you all these people have been tagging me in that post from the fat Jewish of the guy running on the treadmill with the bags and the the bags in the for the running through the airport, and they're like literally I got tagged by eight people on that's on that actually as you though. Like, that's not funny. The only thing that was off as they say that that guy should have only thirty seven minutes before the flight. And you know, I'm there at least an hour. Thirty seven Michael is sown early at the. You guys I've never seen anything like it. It's he's acting as if the world is ending like you. You are chaotic at the airports ridiculous. So I mean, there's a lot of people out there. I like to leisurely go through we've talked about in the show. I don't know anybody that. I don't know why people wanna show a blade and sweat and stress and run through like home alone two in one to get to the airport owner that's number two number two. They always running through the airport. That's home alone people. So I got to Kabo and Michael texts me that there was a ginger Margarita waiting for me and chips and salsa. Popsicles Michael is so relaxed which is like a rare plot twist when I got there, and we had so much fun on our adversary. We really kicked up the romance had some time to connect up between takes didn't work too much and back in LA and the second landed it was time to move turn to move up in LA. Now fulltime we're up in LA fulltime, one of my favorite things to talk about is getting loose and drinking wide. And now what about our favorite partners is providing me all of my answers to talk about both at the same time. I'm on the Mike all the time thrive market has launched clean wines. They have arrived. We love him. We're drinking as we record as we podcast. No, hangovers Lorne. I'm feeling great. Yeah. 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Because there's there's a lot of similarities in a lotta ways they both worked together like a work in the same space. Thomas, and I did like a little bromance? We've been DM each other. And I don't a lot of people. I'm not on their demand a lot. And I don't know how it happened. But we randomly started talking. And I don't talk to a lot of like. I guess we call him blogger, husbands, right? Like, I guess that's what I am to a certain degree. And I don't talk to a lot of blogger husbands or a lot of people in. But we talked to anyone to be honest like two dollars trying to think about who. I talked talk to anyone. So anyways, I've talking to this sort of watching his college students cool stuff copies like completely opposite in the in the photography department. He's a master at it, Michael can't even take a fucking iphone photo me. We were sharing book tips and just kind of shooting the shit and give each other advice once in a while, we'd develop a little online friendship. And so I was really happy to be able to sit down with both of them. There are some of the nicest people I've ever met in space. Cool a couple down to earth highly successful humble humble built some mega stuff. Julia has great skinned to you the full skin. And I think the key to their success. If I could dumb it down where there's a lot of reasons. But one of the main things they have extremely long term vision extreme long-term vision. And they really know what they want. They're really specific about it. They don't get swayed. By distractions. They don't, you know, they're very focused tunnel vision. They worked their asses off term players. Yup. Long-term players, and it's going to pay off we have massive respect for both of them. We could not be more excited to have them on the show. So with that. Let's welcome Thomas and Julia up from the mega blog and brand gal slam to the skinny confidential him in her shell. This is the skinny confidential im- in her. We are in the studio with the mega couple behind the mega-brand gal meets glam, Thomas and. Julia welcome to the show excited to get you both in the hot seat. Here. We go much Vert thrilled to be here. Thank you so much Thomas, and I developed a little bromance relations with him. We slid into each other DM, we talk about books mostly books, mostly business subject. He loves oh. I know he I mean, I have twenty books. I haven't touched a single one yet the ones I've recommended. Yeah. Sadly heartbreaking, maybe cliff notes. Anything you want? Doing this. We're excited to get into with you. I think there's a lot of there's a lot of similarity between us, and you had outside sources tell us that tale. Outsourcing mainly rain and Vanessa. Okay. So management. What do they what do they say? Those similarities I'm curious to see if we're how close we're on this. Well, I think it's just the dynamic between the couple and the drive the focus on business. And just the way we think about our business. We both come from similar backgrounds of starting blogs and developing them into more than just content more than just blogs. So I think there's a lot of people doing it different ways. And I think we think similar similarly, but you guys live in Charleston in the cute town. We're in LA. Yeah. So we got to come. Visit you I feel you absolutely Patricia south since you started the blog it spend, the liberal two thousand eleven so. Okay. So here the whole time. Yeah. He has. He started dating. Yeah. He was out. And I basically gave him my canon point and shoot that I took two parties in college. You know, the one that you kept in your purse and said, can you take some pictures of my outfits, and he why why do I have to do this and the pictures were so bad you always into photography? No. Because you're an amazing and I have. Absolutely zero skill in that department apply rain at some point. But you're really good in Laurens always pointing Zing liquid look at this look at this. I can't even come close to that. I mean to iphone photos of me and says did we get it only to he used to do that? Five or ten five picture maximum. He'd say if you don't get it and five pictures, it's it wasn't. It wasn't meant to be. That's a good. That's not the case anymore. No. He's like I'll take one hundred fifty. Hopefully, we got something when we started the blog I was not interested in photography at all. I was kind of forced. I mean, the same thing like we would sit in a room and Juliette be going through all these other blogs. And she was like why can't you take pictures like this, and it was hard because I was trying to learn how to do it. I wasn't that interested in doing it. But I wanted to help. Julia. So it was like not until about two years. I've I really kind of mastered it that I actually started enjoying photography. And then when it wasn't like, oh, I was fussing around with all the camera trying to figure out composition stuff is. That's when I was finally it became like a passionate mine. And now, I'm so obsessed with it. You're really into the tech side of it to read some of their stuff. Why he I think he likes it so much is because anything that he can fully. Understand and become an expert at. Will become obsessed with it like heated home brewing in college. And it was more about the vehicle beer. Yeah. It was more about the technical side of the science behind creating the beer than I think, you wouldn't even drink the beer at the end. I mean, you would kind of, but he would basically set up a keg and just say, okay, everybody like try the beer by it was more just on learning like the craft of it and becoming obsessed with that until that that was my career path. I was gonna own my own brewery. So I want to back up where both of you guys grow up before you guys met. What was your lifelike? Yes. So I grew up kind of in a few different places. I was born in just outside of Seattle Washington. The my family moved to Lodi in California. And I lived there until about seventh grade, and then I lived in atwater California until just for a high school and then I moved back to Stockton. Which is next Lodi Thomas? Grew up and stopped in. And then we both went to university of the Pacific, which is a small private school in Stockton, California. And that's where we met because known each other now, then we met in two thousand ten but our families had been trying to set us up since we were in middle school. So I knew his whole family. He knew my family he'd been on our both of our Grandpa's five fish, and they'd been on tons of fly fishing trips. Together are grandmas are like the same cribbage group and go see plays together and stuff. So I heard all about him and funny enough his grandma had been trying to tell him about me, but he had a girlfriend at the time. And she loves to always remind him. I listen to your grandma because remember when I tried to tell you about Julia and check she just said it in an Email last week. She was trying to set us up with another Charleston couple. Yeah. And she was like remember last time. I tried to set you up, and I was right. So listen to your grandma so who ended up pursuing him. So our best friends were dating an inch. Use us. It wasn't really it wasn't a setup either. It was just like we sort of randomly met. Finally. And we had this moment where we. We just met more like, wait. I. You like we already knew so much about each other. And then I mean, it was pretty much instant I would say you pursued me, and he was the first guy ever met that did means he made me dinner Toma still wouldn't stop calling him. And speeding does door said, what's? It was really trust move is one whose phone. Oh why? Probably the other way around. I've never had a guy make me dinner before or just do these really thoughtful romantic gestures. He would always open the door for me. Always bring me my favorite coffee drink. He just did all these. I'd never had anybody. That was just kind and nice before Thomas, did you know, you were gonna marry her right away. Yeah. Yeah. Instantly really? No. So I want to talk. So you guys are obviously very public couple as we are in. There's challenges that come with that especially when you're working together. So for people that are looking from the outside, and and they see this picture perfect couple, and this great brand and everything is doing what are the what are the challenges of working together and being a public couple? Yeah. I think well, there's a lot of challenges the challenge of being public. And then also the challenge of working together. I would say working together was a learning process in the first couple years. And now we're in a like a really good place where we both know what are our strong suits are. And we both trust each other. And allow each other to do those things. Whereas in the beginning, it was trying to just figure out those what what those were in the very beginning. Because I had done everything sort of on my own on the content and blogging side that just wasn't photography because he had a fulltime job when we graduated from college moved to San Francisco he worked in tech, and he's still did the photography, but that was really at and he would help me with some website design stuff. So when he left his job to join me full time, it was really figuring out. Okay. What are his responsibility is going to be in? How can he take ownership over them? How can I let him take ownership over them and help him grow into what his role is? And allow him to develop new ideas for meets glam. Instead of me, just dictating everything what of the things that. I respect so much about you guys is I've watched your volition, and I can tell from as blogger and from an outside perspective that it's so strategic. How you guys have built your business mad like it's not things aren't just happening. Right. I yeah. See that. You guys have a very clear brand, you you have a clear message. You know, you're y. Yeah. How did you guys sort of set that up at the beginning? When you both didn't know each other strengths yet. Yeah. So it wasn't set up at the beginning on the beginning was really random. We didn't know why we were starting. I just found blogging as a way to be creative and to create something. Thomas was always very entrepeneurship. He really excelled in school. He loved business, and I was studying business, but I didn't necessarily feel passionate about it. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I was concentrating in marketing, but I wasn't passionate about marketing. And I also had no real life experience to feel passionate about with marketing. I mean, I always had jobs in in high school and college and had a marketing internship as well in college. I just felt this intense desire to create something online. I literally woke up one day in college and said, I need to have something online. I don't know what it is. But I need to create a website, and I found blogger, and it's just sort of snowballed from there, but we really didn't set up. I mean, luckily, we started at a time where we could kind of find our voice, and and kind of experiment, and if you look back. And look at what we did in the first couple of years. It's it's almost embarrassing, but it's part of air. Era over figuring out the first five episodes of this. Yeah. Thomas always says if you what's the quote, you always like to say like embarrassed by your first product than you launch too late. Yeah. I think it's so true. 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And. New jump in. How do you navigate that? As a man leaving another job is I like to just hear how how you did. Because there's ways that I did it. But it's a challenge when you're jumping into somebody's established brand, especially when it's your wife. I mean, I've been involved the entire time. And and even though Julia has been doing the nitty gritty of of the content like I've always had more of a analytical approach, and that was actually what I used to do at my previous job. And I kind of looked at it from this perspective. And I think I could kind of work in any business and I'm obsessed with the customer. I'm obsessed with our readers and trying to understand how we can impact their life. So I think it's more just like focusing on them. And I was lucky I'm not sure what it would been like if I wasn't involved in the first few years of it. But I think I've always kind of we we hell I helped us find our voice is mostly Julia. But I mean, they're, you know, why you're smart. Smart. And I use this analogy, there's always got to be one, Mick Jagger. And then there's Keith Richards. And obviously, Mick Jagger is the lead singer, Keith Richards supports that. But a lot of husbands that are jumping into their wives. Brands are running into trouble where they're trying to be on like equal footing. I don't want to say that we're not equal footing. But there's got to be a front and just completely different platforms. Like where our platforms are equal. But the platforms are made out of two different things. We've just got to be the front man, though. So Lauren is the frontman, obviously. Richard C I was wondering I'm like. Also, a dream are like, I think of crazy ideas, all the time and canary. I I wouldn't say that. But I want to act immediately. Always and Thomas reels knee back in and millions. And and it's like, okay. That's a great idea. Let's tone it back a little bit and not to right now. But let's come up with some steps. And he always is is thinking big picture not short term a very strong team effort. But I I guess the reason I was asking is there's a lot of people that are running the trouble. It's like who is the lead person in Julia's in charge. I mean, we built we both are I never I'd never. Honestly, I never think about I'm in charge. And he has to listen to me. It's just whoever is the expert, and and leading whatever topic we're discussing that person should be the on spearheading. Not it end. It varies all the time. And it varies between our team. It's not always just you. And I so what would be some relationship advice for couples who are thinking about starting to work together. We've talked about a lot. But it'd be interesting to hear your take. Yeah. Thomas buckle up. It's one of the most challenging things I've ever done, but it is so rewarding and I feel like him, and I have this like layer of an onion of relationship has we work together. You know, go to bed and it's eleven thirty at night. And he's asking me questions about work at that's what he does to Mike started off now. That's sometimes if pops in my head of hockey, I have to talk about that too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say what's helpful is that we're very different people, and we have very different interests in very different reasons for why we love working on this business. And I think it's important have some at you can't be both doing the same exact thing. I think that can create a lot of problems it's important to have very clear boundaries in what the work is that you're doing is also important to focus on the product. And make sure that it's about the customer and not about you and your relationship. It is important to have boundaries at the end of the day. Like, hey, ten pm is art hard. Stop time. I think time. Yeah. I mean, it's much easier to say, you know, have a hard stop time in reality. We really don't have her. But we try you know, or just trying to do things that aren't work related. So that you just kind of get your mind off it for a little bit. But but I don't think we could've built the business that we have without being around each other twenty four seven we work at a pace that not a lot of people can keep up with. And frankly, it's is helped us build a business and get it to the point of where we're at now. And if. We're not together. We're just business partners not even living together. We would have a set amount of conversations that we can have a now we can really get into everything and go into the finer details because we have the time to do it. That's the challenge though. Right. Because you're at dinner, you're at home. Yeah. We deal with the same thing. Right. With each other all the time. I like, Michael it's not like I liked to around executive say, Mike. We're best friends. It's not it's not forced. I'm so grateful to have the relationship that we have. And I know it's unique because people ask all the time. How do you work with your husband? I would kill mine, and you do have to have sort of the perfect dynamic in order for it to work because I I don't think every couple can work together leaner to mid into building a vision or your both on the same team towards that vision. You you make sacrifices because the rewards are so great. Yeah. And we also just have so much fun. I mean, you know, you talk about turning off business. But some of our our best business conversations are, you know, at midnight at a restaurant after sharing a bottle of wine, and we're just like, spilling ideas. And maybe we shouldn't be talking about business. But it's fun. We love it. We want to and were dreamers are always thinking about what we can be doing better. What the potential could be. And we don't always want to turn it off. I don't think I could be with a woman who wanted me to turn it off all the time. I I let's see couples have to be matched in that way. Like if you have one individual that wants to be turned on all the time and talk about business news. And you can't talk about with your significant other like, I don't know how how much longevity there, isn't that relationship. So people that go you gotta find time to turn it off. But similar like we don't always like to turn it off. And that's why we're together. I think one did you guys decide and how did you decide to scale your business? So you you've I've watched you you've got this great platform, you're doing collapse like everything's going. Really? Well, at what point were you like, okay, we need to scale this. We need to grow the team. And then we need to also do a product. So it was in two thousand fourteen and before talking about growing the team we knew that we wanted to go into product. We we always talked about where do we see ourselves long-term? What's gone meets glam potential? And we knew that people came to us for a reason. And we knew that people had sort of a defined reason of of why they were coming to us. I I have very distinct style it's very specific. I don't stray from even when I work with brands. It's always very feminine always very classic. And we knew people were coming to us because they identified without even if it wasn't style, it was home decor, or the way we travel or any of these lifestyle elements, and so we really wanted to hone in on that in create something for our customers. And it was without a doubt address line. I never even questioned what it would be. It was it was always going to be dresses, and I actually saw a huge gap in the market for a product like that thoughtful about I remember we talked. I remember he talked like a reward stole conference. Or was that what we're doing? What we're working on? I mean that was forever ago. And I had I mean, we'd been talking about it with people for years and years, and it at times it felt like it was never going to take off because we hit a lot of sort of stopping points in the process of trying to get it off the ground, but we never ever ever strayed from our initial initial idea and the end result of our first collection was exactly what I wanted to create in two thousand fourteen I never changed my mind on the way. Yeah. And and you know, there were many many challenges and it took four years to get it going, and that alone could set somebody off to just give up or or to do something else. But I think also like in launching a business timing is is so important to when we first went out, and we're trying to pitch manufacturers for years ago. It was a very different time. In this kind of influence or space as well. As on the on the manufacturing side like very little influencers had brands at the time. The only one we could really point to was Kiara with her shoes. Nobody else had launched manufacturers were kind of being difficult. If they were respecting the space as much or both both they didn't if they were interested in the partnership. They. They were basically like we know what works. You know? We know you have your ideas, we'll take them into consideration. But we know how to do this. Because I kept saying, you know, I know exactly what I want the product to be I want to design it with a designer. I'm not a chain designer, but I have designs in my head that I just need to communicate. So somebody can can draw it out, and then I can work with them to create that you I have so many parallels with you it's crazy about a lot of people on the show. I have like you. I'm very very well a lot a lot of it is basically convincing people to trust you and your vision. It's it's very frustrating. Sometimes because you see and like, you know, what you wanna do. But like you said, you're not a designer. Yeah. Like, even with what I wanted to launch a website eight, I'm not a website designer. I saw what was in my head. And I got great. I almost can't sleep until I get what is in my head. It's very frustrating. And you do have to be very patient. Yeah. We had to be incredibly patient, and I was willing to be patient because I it was never a race for me. It was you know, we either do it, right? Or we don't do it at all. And it was you know, we had some any factors that were very interested in partnering with us. But I just knew at the end of the day. They wouldn't they wouldn't be right for what we went into create or there were some that had crazy demands. They wanted us to make X amount of money by year one or you're too because they're used to doing licensing deals with celebrities where you know, they can just do crazy sales. And we just didn't want that kind of pressure on ourselves which to build a brand not just make a quick dollar over two years or something. So let me ask you both those being closer to the influence or space blogging space for so long. And watching your peers launch product line some doing a right. Some of them doing it wrong. We'll call anybody out. What do you see as the biggest mistakes that influencers make when they're transitioning to product? Yeah. Puts you in the hot seat. I mean, I would say you can tell. Influence or who has an audience, they have a point of view. And then when they do a product, and that doesn't translate whether or not involved with. I mean, they maybe have a couple of meetings a year to approve a line sheet, and it's kind of based on their style. But it's more the manufacturer or their license partner. You don't want to touch it. No, I never ever ever went. That was the opposite of that's what I was fearful as the white label. Yeah, it's the white label where you can peel off the label and stick it onto another brand line in it looks. I mean, we go we just did to to market shows because we're expanding scam collection into specialty stores and boutiques, and there's so much product out there, and I kept telling Thomas there's so much that just looks the same. You could take one label off and put it on another end. I wanted our line to be specific. I only wanted to do dresses because I knew that we needed to be known for something. And we didn't eat to cater to everybody. Our Justice are not meant for everybody's style. But I wanted women that did identify with it to really identify with it. And know why they were coming to us on and we've been able to create that I just have to call your dresses out because I have to and they're beautiful you tell they're so thoughtful there so you there so on brand I have the pink one. Can you say the name at the one I have to Allie? Okay. And then I have a navy one. That's so cute that I wear with white tennis shoes. Which one is that which caller and it's short sleeve short sleeve, if we if we don't know the name, we had it in the show notes for you guys. Galvao? Also, put it on inside navy short sleeve. It's like little tiny dots. It's navy. It's so cute. Okay. It in the show notes to check out we've done. I mean you've one hundred and fifty right? We have so many dresses and right now, it's funny because we're always working at your head right now. We're designing fall two thousand nineteen. So to put my mind back to Europe a year out. So how did you decide that you were going to do a hundred and fifty to start like how how are these decisions made? We didn't we I mean, what we started out wanting to do was no where near what we ended up doing, and it all really sort of a volved from the demand in the market place. I wanted to do a really tiny collection, and we weren't initially planning on launching every single month. We were going to do seasons. You know, I'm spring summer fall winter resort on and just the demand in the market for our type of product was so big that the retailer that we partnered with Nordstrom just said, you know, if you have more designs were interested to see them, and we just ended up creating a much bigger line than we had ever antiquated. I'm because of their support at launch. And we just sort of have been able to keep up with it since we're expanding into more retailers in February. Started a category. If you think about it it is. Yeah. I mean, especially at the price point that we're hitting. There are very little if any brands doing what we're doing and focusing on the type of product that we're creating too many brands are worried about especially affordable. Brands, a worried about catering to every type of customer like we need to we need to get this woman. And we also need to get this woman. Then let's not forget about her and her and her, and we have one woman we're trying to cater to and were able to focus on her and understand why she loves us. Why is she coming to us? And yeah, there's probably other women who are also identifying with a few pieces here and there, but you know, that's great. But we're just focused on our core customer. I always say when I'm writing a blog post. I have a girl that I'm writing to her name's Caitlin, and like, I know her nail polish color. I know what she's listening to on the way to work. Like, I think that that's so important to know who you're speaking to or who you're selling to. I mean, I instead of trying to get everyone vote question for Thomas. This is the left turn. So. Turns. But so obviously, I was always behind the scenes person. I never thought that there would be any kind of pub public persona at all right? I was running businesses and traditionally an entrepreneur behind the scenes guy, right? Born obviously made the decision to be a public person you made the decision to be a public person you and I both did not how do you? How do you deal with that? Because I don't mind it necessarily like having that aspect of our life now. But it wasn't something that I chose. So I was curious on how you've dealt with that. I can't say we ever made a clear decision to really bring me into it. I think I've always just been part of the story. You definitely didn't feel as comfortable in the beginning being in videos or lose. Vocal? I was at a restaurant one time in somebody's screamed across the street. Susan screamed I never into submitted that in my life. But that's kind of what I'm trying to get to. It's like when people recognize him more sometimes than I do because I think also the glasses are very distinct. I would say enjoy it. I mean, I like making the connection, and I know some people I actually when we were walking on the street, and this happens a lot in bigger cities, especially in New York, you can tell when people recognize at least. Julia and Julia can't always recommend not never not tension. I always see it. And so I can tell like what percentage of people actually come up and say, hi. And you know, when I'm just by myself and Julia is not there. The rare occasion I'm by myself. And I'm on the street like people will still come up to me. And I enjoy it because I think there's this. They see they might be more intimidated to say, hi, Julia. But they're less intimidated to say Hello to me. There was a woman that ripped my phone out of a hand the other day when I was talking to Lorna. Started talking to Lord in the middle of the street. She spies abroad, I'll be out like having a coffee and her her readers would be like, hey, I see Michael right now. Don't worry. He's not. He travels alone. Careful. I have spies. Wouldn't that kind of? Thank god. I would never but still I can't even go down the street and get a coffee without someone reporting. Don't worry I got is on this guy. How do you guys deal with because we've dealt with it? How do you deal with backlash negatively online? Honestly, I don't really pay attention to it. The best thing I ever did for myself was to realize that I can't please everybody. And I can't make people like me because there's going to be people that have no reason, they just don't like you. And it doesn't matter. How hard you try or would a nice Email or comment you leave back to them. They're still just not going to like you. And you just should not. It's not your problem. It's theirs because they shouldn't be following you. And there's truly nothing you can do. So when I sort of finally embraced that AG like stop obsessing over or wondering what you can do to get the new like you just let them go and let them unfold. Oh or go somewhere else because I'm not going to change who I am. I'm not going to change. How I write. I'm not gonna change my style. I'm not gonna change my personality for somebody. I don't even know, and they don't even know me. And they're. Judging me on their perception of me, and you can't change somebody's perception, you can only hope that you are being yourself, and that people are perceiving that in the right way. You know? I don't know if you remember this. But at the reward style conference, I met you guys a long time ago. This was like this is like beginning. I remember. I remember. Yeah. And I'm asked you that. Yeah. I don't do you. Remember that kind of it was like at the end of a really like at the end of the party, right? Yeah. Late at night. I said because I was having trouble with in the shape back. Then you gave me the best advice. You said I don't respond to anything unless it's a constructive com. It's true. It's true. Unless I know that something memory, I can take something positive from it. And the person writing the comment can take something positive from it. I don't respond to it. Because of it's just negative negatively for the sake of being negative. There's no reason I mean, it's just it's giving something attention that doesn't need attention versus if somebody. He is truly giving you feedback from a loving perspective. And like they care about your brand they care about you. And they've been following along. I think you know, everybody should be open to constructive criticism and feedback, but there is there is a line. I think you have to recognize. Yeah. And there are many of those. And honestly, I just I just turn it off. I just don't pay attention to any of that. Because just mentally. I I can't I agree with you. And I do think it's practice the more. You put yourself out there. The more you get used to it. And then you just don't care anymore. And what's very nice like the longer you go on yet. I would say in the beginning when because at the first couple years, it was just all like better flies in rainbows. And then when like blogging really started to get bigger and bigger and more people are like wait what's going on here than we did sort of start to get some negativity. And then once we just said, you know, Nope, we're not dealing with this. We're not addressing this. This is a positive place in if people wanna be negative. We're not going to engage with it. And it sort of panned off after that on because they probably went elsewhere to get attention. And you know, I'm not entirely sure why always is just. It's something that we just can't control. And I think you have to kind of let it go. So I want to switch the gear you guys have a positive community that. Yeah, we do. What is the recipe for building a positive community? Imagine you're talking to someone that wants to get into the space. I'm a huge believer. That this space is not oversaturated that it has even started that there's room for everyone say someone wants to into the space. How can they build a positive community? Like you guys have built. I mean. I'm pretty positive person to begin within. I'm a happy person. I I like being around happy positive people. I don't like to complain. I have truly nothing too. I mean, obviously there everybody has hardships. And. Complain. Sometimes when I complain don't get me wrong. I just I mean on a platform, I don't ever want. I have nothing to complain about like the people reading I never want to to sound ungrateful. So I come from a perspective when writing to always be positive and to to not complain and to just be grateful. I'm we also have a fine line of of how much sort of personal moments that we share within our brand. And I would say the move you drive. It only when everything so much. There's so much that we don't share on told me about these problems. Go go for it almost. Talking. If he would know about the intimate moments. If it wasn't for me, he would probably over share. I'm just not unnatural over share. I hold stuff back in just in my nature. I don't I just that's how I am. And he I think I don't wanna talk for you. I mean, I always say that I-. Julia on occasion, asks me to be funny for the camera, which is very hard to do. I I'm a very naturally funny person to. Yeah. And so I would I would actually rather have cameras or audio following me around twenty four seven because you're not an actor. You're just trying to be yourself. Okay. Like what's off limits because that's how I'm going to find out. What you don't? I don't. I don't really videotape. My day or talk to the camera that often I mean, I'll try to you know, if we're having a goofy moment, I'll try to bring out my phone, and and snap it and. It just it depends on like, maybe he's not in a great mood to want to be on camera. I'm not in a it's so hard to find the perfect balance. And I'm not the type of person that wants to document my whole entire day. And I never document when I'm with friends, I never post when you amac dinner with the friends because if such a load. Yeah. I just, you know, my family members aren't interested and being on social media. And you know, our our team in the office. I mean, there's I I would say like ninety nine percent of our day is not documented I think that's part of your brand though. It's like, you're it's a very positive curative in the best way whimsical, and it's not curated in the sense to make it look perfect. It's just it's not in my nature to document everything. And yeah, we love to take pictures because we love creating creating is a good word. I think you've got and its hide him tell that. It's just so many wims call whenever I look is that the right word. Yeah. And I think the one thing I struggle the most with is. And we both do we talk about all the time is should we be sharing more? You know, our people connecting enough. Like are we sharing enough of our life of our personality? But then we stop ourselves and say. You know, if that doesn't make us comfortable than we shouldn't be doing in which we wouldn't do you should do. But at the same time people are like, you know, you're not being real enough. And it's not that you're not being real enough. It's that, you know. This is business. Do you go to your work, and you document everything it's just it's tough because on one coast. I could be rolling out of bed in my underpants with my hair where looking like garbage, maybe eight a bunch of pasta the night before. And the camera will be on it. I'll have no say it'll be posted before I even know it all tune in like twelve hours later. So it's it's all different. I think that's the wrong angle with this. Winter's like down. No, well, sometimes he gets an angle with like can you teach him about light Thomas? Can you please all light teach them about light like? Double standard. It's so bad. Do you have any lighting tipped? There is a double standard by. I mean, I'm trying to think it's it's pretty practical. If you're taking a picture on the phone, you should be able to see that the light is just go for even light even taking pictures. Maybe if I spent some time with you learned some of the technical stuff and some of the things that five tips that you can. Tips. I just I really don't like taking pictures. So what I do is. I set the bar really low and make them so bad that she just doesn't ask me anymore. Right for myself. Do you have any pitcher tips that you can share with the audience? So light in composition are easily the most important things about I I think if you're a bad photographer or an average photographer like I said, even light don't have crazy contrast, easy light. Don't have a really bright background in your standing in the shade. If you can look and find even light that will just get you a long way, the other part is composition. I see all the time people like pinching zoom on a phone is like, oh, I cringe every time. I see someone do that. But figure out like what are the most flutter? If you're taking pictures of people like figure out what are the most flattering crops? You know, you can crop at the waist. You can crop it the knee, you can crop like full body after the picture, or when you're when you're taking your I mean, you can always adjust it to get it. Just right when you're editing. The other thing too is. On the spot know, it's just it's come so natural to me. I just I see to have some type of I tone. Let's go you have right here. This is a film camera. The other the other tip is angles different angles. Yep. If you see a scene shoot five different angles of it and another pet peeve. I see of people as like, let's say you're taking a picture of someone in its full body. A lot of people change the angle up and down. So they'll shoot it. And the person will either look really most of the time. They look really short. It's hard to describe it. No. That makes sense why they get too low. And then you look really awkwardly tall. Among unnaturally pitchers are so beautiful. I always think if you're taking the iphone photo of someone say full body, try and have the phone match I level with them. So it should be just about at the same height. And there should be no English to just be kind of flat on there. That's a good. That's okay. That's a good thing. Because I think I'm probably going to get just mostly the iphone things going. Oh. Could take a picture of me? And then more don't talk to me about angles. You should see the angle. She gets me. I looked like the guy from the goonies always move. Like, just I think pictures, look so much more natural if they're just movement in it just sometimes it feels really to just move around by it has sort of ad. In a nice element to a photo. When it's not just very like posed in an story. What did you guys move to Charleston? Well, there's a couple of reasons by we sort of fell in love with the city or you just went and visited him since greater we I mean, we've been it is a huge move. We had been living in San Francisco. And that's where we both ended up after college. It's where we both got jobs, and I mean, we used to travel. We would go to London. We would go to Paris good in New York when we would say, you know, can we see ourselves living here. And I would say we could probably move to London. We love it a lot, but just with the international stuff and owning our own business. It just made it really complicated. We had explored the option of trying to buy something in in San Francisco and things just weren't really working out. And then we kind of had this moment where we realized that we don't necessarily need to live here. There's nothing that's keeping us here. We both work for ourselves. And we just happened to go on a trip to Charleston within. I would say like by the time we drove from the airport to our hotel at least Iowa's considering moving there. His parents were the ones that kept saying you guys need to visit Charleston. It's so beautiful because they would go all the time and Thomas spent a lot of time in Georgia growing up in. We just loved that part of the world and funny enough like in college when we had no idea what we were going to do or where we were gonna live. We used to watch HDTV all the time. And and I I would always say, you know, what if we what if we moved to Georgia and lived in the south, and then we just never really export it once the reality hit of. Where we going to get jobs like just get a job after college. And then once we had the opportunity to kind of live anywhere, we sort of have a a nomad lifestyle anyways with always being on the road. And we see our families as much when we live near them as we do when we don't live near them because we're always gone anyways. So we just fell in love with Charleston. We knew that we're we're always going to need to be in a big city for work. New York is a really easy flight. Sometimes we take the six AM flight up in the nine pm fight back, and we can do a day full of meetings and sleep in our own bed at the end of the day school, which is really great. But there's just this laid back sort of the has eat has small town feels but also all of the cosmopolitan amenities like great restaurants shops, and great people beach is I have a selfish question. Yeah. What does your team look like, and how have you structured that? Because for me. It's so interesting to talk to other influencers 'cause this business is so new so it's it's like the wild wild west everyone has so I would love to know how you structure your team your day. Are they in office? Are you using freelancers? How do you guys structure that? Yes. So on the team has been. Slowly growing over a couple years as we as we realize what our needs are. And I have a really difficult time giving off tasks that I've been doing for years, but it's at the point where I can't keep doing all of these things because I have more important things that need to be focusing on. So I it was a huge learning curve for me in the beginning to just be able to pass along things. But we have a really fantastic team. It's Thomas, and I my mom actually works for us. And she does she hasn't HR background. So she does a lot of HR a lot of paperwork works with our lawyers. I'm sort of like manages the team since we're always on the road. I'm we have one woman that focuses on content editing photos editing video coming up with sponsored brand campaigns. I'm she works on a lot of creative stuff. With me. We have another woman that does. Emails. Log emails that Email series. She helps by the gilmer slim Gami, Instagram account were now starting to do smaller influence or campaigns for comments clam collection and takeovers on social and stuff like that. So she's sort of focusing on those things we have a part time copywriter that we recently added to the team that helps with just all the copy. I mean, the amount of things that we right in in a single week is bananas. And then we also have a part time graphic designers slash and brands done all of our this. Yeah. All enjoy stand. We had an office downtown when we moved back into our home after renovating we moved to office over there. It's under construction right now. But it'll hopefully don't be done by the end of the year. So right now our team is working out of her in home office. I'm and they all work from there. We obviously work from their home. And then we have a whole separate team in New York for the collection that were basically split our time between we live part time in New York, basically and the team there is is vast. I mean, it's part, you know, part are manufacturers team from their end. And then part our team from. I mean, we have you know, seamstresses pattern makers sales team marketing team designed team which are design team is the smallest it's just me and our head designer and then we have on a fabric director. So he basically goes around the world sourcing all of these amazing fabrics for me to go. Through and pick for the dresses. Can you guys think back on a specific failure challenge along the way that at the time bell devastating but ended up turning into a blessing? I would say specifically with the collection. We'd been in talks with the manufacturer based here in LA for about eight months. We were at. We'd been the Goshi negotiate new had been trying to get kind of approval from everyone involved there, investors and board. And and we thought we were moving forward. So essentially, we spent a months, let's just call it like, essentially fees. I mean, we had our lawyer negotiating that entire time the contract. So I mean almost a year. It's just you know in business. There's restrictions. You don't have as much resources or money or people, and they just they wanted different direction, and that felt very dose dating. We were boarding a flight and got the Email, and at this point that they know that you're working on kept it very under wraps. I mean 'cause it spent we spent three years just meeting with different manufacturers and trying to find the right one. And this was probably a year and a half in. We thought we found the right right people. They were based here in LA, and we felt really good about it. And the deal fell through after almost a year. And it just it was I turned to Thomas inside. This just isn't gonna happen. You know, maybe we should just give up but looking back. I think you having that not work out. We really learned what we liked about them. We didn't like about them. And then we figured okay. How do we go out and find someone who's going to be even better than what we thought that they could have been that's called? I I like to call that just refining refining refining refining until you get exactly what you want. That's that's what I feel like I do during my day. It's like so much refinement always until you like whittled down. Exactly what it is you want. Absolutely. And I'm so grateful for that looking back because our partners now our family, and they're so incredible. And there there's no way that we could have had that with anybody else. I I really don't think and we didn't really have the luxury that we have with the blog was we launched the blog in two thousand eleven we had this learning experience over time. But with specifically with the collection. We knew that we had to do it right from the very beginning. And because if it wasn't right, and we didn't launch with the right product with the right user experience. It just wasn't going to be the long term brand that we will that we wanted to be really hard to gain people's trust. Again, if you know we failed at you know, from the start what are some routines that you guys do it could be a morning routine or a night routine that really set you up for success, you pretty serious with our coffee maker. He loves routines. Like he is a routine guy, he loves structure. So I feel like this is a youth question. I mean, I would say I love coffee. I mean, I've been drinking it since. I was I think five oh. How many today maybe like two? Okay. I don't need coffee joy, the taste. I need you. So. Julia's day does not start until I make her coffee maker. Tariff. Michael, I don't get a coffee heater by my bed, and you don't do anything. It's NC everyday lords of Germano. Sean take them personality depends, which one I can't wait to hear. I think he's more terrified of meat in the morning without my coffee. So he's always like, here's your coffee. It's only give the answer. That's not going to make me look bad comments give the real. And so I always say that I like to come up with like fake blog names. And one of them would be called for Coffey. Because that's anytime. We're staying in a hotel this morning. We woke up at five thirty two and a call for coffee. And so I know it's like if they don't have the right thing, we say to each other in the morning and Julia likes almond milk with the site of coffee. So she can just drink it like all day long, and it doesn't really impact your much. But yeah, if they don't if the room service doesn't get the right amount of milk, and they have to call again and go or have to go down and get it. Sometimes they'll just be like, can you just fill up the same amount of coffee that you bring fill up the same amount of milk. Okay. So you coffee is there anything else that you do at night or that you do in the morning that's on negotiable. Workout could be anything. You love to water the plants on this podcast. Yeah. I mean, this is air by he's how on the port. Why didn't all the plants and he'll come in and tell me all about the podcast seizes listened. So since we renovated our house. Our sprinklers. We've been told not to turn them back on until we put in a new system. So I have to go out every single morning in water the plants or if I'm not home someone else to come do it. But it takes me about thirty minutes every day. So I wake up and like the first thing I do put on my headphones and just throwing a podcast that's fair -peutic data this. No that actually sounds really really loves it. Like, I I'm not allowed to do it. It's his thing. Michael was just going to lose. You're listening. I'm leaving. I'm going to Charleston. I'm going to start watering plants and taking my life a little bit slower pace in this really. Like, there's fell down the street from us. We're going to close shop up at Deir media or. Of the plants. What's the day in the life for you guys when you're in Charleston working on the business? What time do you wake up like like walk us through a day will the day kind of depends if we're working out in the morning or not because we're let's go with working out in the morning. We love doing orange theories. So we usually wake up at six thirty. We'll go to a class be done around. Was a boss seven am class. I don't we wake up at six thirty to seven thirty class. Look done by eight thirty. Well, it depends on what costs were taking. But you talk today though. He's he's he's holding each has has she had her coffee before orange theory. No, okay. No. I don't drink coffee before I worked out. It was just say if it's been the last six months, we haven't been so good at working out solicits. They are routine is not working, which is more realistic. So I would say I wake up at like seven she'll wake up at seven thirty by the time. She's up. Her coffee is already been made. And then literally we just jump like we might go for a walk in the morning, if I don't make coffee that will go walk to get copy. It's a good way to just kind of like moving my body. First thing in the morning because you've been laying idle all night furred, you know, five to eight hours, and I just need motions. Even as just like taking a loop around the street. I got gotta do something. So I would say about ninety m you know, we're on our computers, really working and ten AM or employees show up to the house any like big conversations typically take place before they show up because it's not like a typical office where there's conference rooms is like our house and everything is open concept. So it's it's all those conversations have them before they arrive, then when in Charleston, we actually don't really shoot, it's more. We take all of our business calls, we do all of our computer work. We do a lot of like big. Picture brainstorming meetings, and we do full team meetings plan out the content calendar. It's it's just it's a lot of computer work. I mean, I would say when we're in Charleston, we've rarely leave our house during the workweek very rarely because there's just so much to catch up on. Because when we're when we're in New York, I'm just focused on design stuff. So I can't do anything blog related or I'm even collection related that doesn't have anything to do with design. It sounds like you guys time Bachelot we do. Yeah. And then when we when we travel so I say we spent about a third of our time in Charleston, a third of our time in New York a third of our time, just traveling. And so New York is designed and focus on the collection home is and collection and getting yeah. And getting caught up on business stuff. And then when we're traveling, it's it's very content. Focus. I mean, we go out and shoot we'll shoot all day long. I mean, it's something that we love to do. So we're we're happy to do that like fuels, my creativity so much if we're in one place for too long, I start to get really stir crazy because I wanna go out and create or if our computers for a whole week if feels very productive by I feel like I missing something because I need to be out seeing things and shooting in creating but it's if he is out shooting in creating for too long, he gets star crazy because he wants to be at our his computer. So we get star crazy for two different reasons. So if someone is new to the gal meets glam collection. How how would you tell them to start is their address that you just think is address that they should go to? Yes. Talk to someone that that's listening that wants to go check out your collection. Yes. So our Edith dress is actually the first dress I designed, and it was the first dress for. Well, funny enough, it was actually called the Juliet s I'm because again, it was the first it was a little to no it. So it was the first dress. I had thought of way back in two thousand fourteen when we wanted to start the collection, and it was the first dress that I saw the seamstresses making a sample of. And I burst into tears the moment. I saw because I just couldn't I couldn't believe that. My vision had finally come to life in a product, and it was beautiful, and I wasn't crazy with with my ideas. But it's called the because when we launched we named all of the dresses on our e commerce and Nordstrom didn't want to take those names because that's just not the way that they they had their products with more city crepe fit and flair midday dress. You know, it was more that description, and I think that's more for like SEO purposes, but they realized on our launch day on that all of our customers were coming to Nordstrom dot com in searching or in the stores or stores. They were they were asking for owed. You have the Smith address or oh, do you have the rose dress? What they were seeing that the searches come on their website. They called us at the end of the day and said, can you send us a list of all the names, we need to go and change the product names? And so by that time, we I had taken that that dress was in Nordstrom exclusive at launch because they loved it so much in. It's actually our bestseller. I'm googling it right now who speak. It's our it's our number one. Seller. They they now Ray stock it throughout the year because it's just a classic dress a year round dress. And because it was in Nordstrom exclusive. I still wanted to Julia address on our commerce. So we didn't name it that. Julia just because I wanted to be able to call something. Julia dress on our site and then by the time Nordstrom introduced it to their site. It was sort of too late to switch. So it's called the Edith by I just left it up. And you know, what it says sold out yet, it it is just a beautiful colossus gal meets glan- dress. It's it's embodies everything that I love it. It's it's beautiful. It's timeless the skirt is really full on. It's so flattering on every single body type everybody that wears it. Just looks absolutely stunning in it just hits a huge different age range too. You know, a girl who's eighteen commute to her college graduation. We've had women who are seven. Eighty five. Send us pictures it end. It looks good appropriate. It's a huge range. It looks age appropriate on everybody. Even though, you know, it's very hard to have a product that looks age-appropriate onto me that's eighteen and somebody that seventy five so you go so for our listeners that want to go and check it out. What's the what's the link or the site? They can go to an you have an offer code for them as well. Yeah. It's shop dot gown meets glam dot com. And the blog is gone meets glam dot com. By are the dresses are on chop dot com. Glam dot com and the code to UC fifteen to fifteen. A fifteen percent off this cool before we go one book podcast resource, quote that you guys could recommend to audience could be anything anything that inspires you business personal. I've been listening to a lot of podcasts as we talked about my favorite one right now is masters scale. Yeah. I know a lot of people I mentioned earlier, and he the the quote, the he talks about all the time about launching. We get so many questions from people to say, oh, I want to start a blog. I wanted to get started. I want to do this. But they're not ready to jump in. And that quote of like if you're non barest by your first product launch too late. I think that really applies to when you're getting going and started you really don't know what you wanna do unless you're already an expert in the field. But I don't think people who are experts would be asking us how to start. So I think that's probably my favorite. There's never been one. Venture monetary life my career that I've been a part of where the beginning. I wasn't a little shaken or barest by the initial launch. It could be applied. I try to date me. Maybe that's the one area that I was extremely confident. But no, I think that's good advice. Because like I said whether it's product whether it's content whether it's service like it's always rough in the beginning and the new Genucel underway new, I think will for a for me and our team as a whole we we love using business of fashion as a resource there's so much so many great articles on there. I'm even just on the business side. But because we're in fashion just knowing what's going on in the industry. What's going on in the marketplace? It's really important for us to to keep up with that in. There's I mean every single day we were probably sharing article to our team to read on that is relevant to us. And I think just a lot of people in general slacker, Email suck. Yeah. Thomas got us on slack a couple years ago, and it's a hard transition. Once you get on you like it air table our life. Oh, my. Yeah. It's incredible. It's incredible. And everybody that we've referred to is like this is a game change. I we need to get air table because we're using Sean Asana right now we used to use a sauna and I never got on. It's very rare for me to get on board with sort of a task management system or platform because that's just not the way I work. Will you also were managing so many different platforms that getting on board with something else is like oh my God. Yeah. Overwhelming it is on. So I mean air table is amazing for your team. But also for outside sources to access thing. I mean, I don't really know. How to explain it? He you could buy it's it's amazing. I mean, it's a database for everyone. Heading it. Where can everyone find you pimp yourself out share your Instagram handles website, everything my Instagram is Julia, h Ingle E N G, E L and the collection Instagram is just at gal meets glam our website. Our website is gown meets glam dot com and shop dot gov as glam dot com, and you can also shop the collection on Nordstrom dot com and Thomas because you share a lot of. Geography. And everyone forward you told us at t- barrels TB, E R O ell's Z, so actually deleted all my archived all my previous photos and now only post films bandit recently. I love a reverse. As days. On your Instagram? There's a lot of yellows and oranges puffins common. Common misconception. Is that? I added all the photos, I've never edited the photos, but the great part about shooting films that you just get it back, and you can post it. Well, oh, cool. I mean, it takes three weeks to get it back. But that's awesome. Maybe I need to get one of those. You don't have to edit it. 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ep209 Butthole Lipstick!

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ep209 Butthole Lipstick!

"Do if you had slaves you do the same thing. Chris Leland says Bensinger Neil diamond songs all day in my head. I don't even know the words just the team. So a mic in the mo-. What's wrong with me? He's explaining it right now. I would I went I went butthole lipstick but holistic, you want it. I like butthole lipstick. Pitted. Good. Three years. Swing. As I could just go topless, are you, are you worried about going wait washed? You're the whitest dude on the pod, bro. That's not true. Just because you don't make you less white. It actually makes you more white because we ain't talking about similar we're talking about the race. If we're the whitest dude on the pond. Clearly that's, that's Ben Benz racist on. Let's cruise there's nothing more. There's nothing more than that Benz a country bumpkin. He's like seeking watches wrestling. Hold on. No black country bumpkins, though. I do too. But let's put it this way. I'm sorry, Leland the most white girl out of the Saul. Basic white bitch. Not basic, not basic in with that, we're going to next evolution of man points. We shed the shackles of feminism beat back depression, political correctness give her unfiltered opinion about all things from pop culture to leaving white ash. And in the end, we find out who stands true in proun-, or here's a punk ass selling gets us mushroom Stanford for it. So crawling safe-space coping security blanket prepare to be triggered are facts. Don't give a damn about your feelings sitting in the room with me. Wes is then the bear, and Chris, and charleena's Haji parking lot. Look for a good time. Leland. No, Mitch today. I'm impressed. I'm impressed impress. You remembered everything. It's, it's, it's been a long this thing. We it's this thing we used to do every week. Right. The people ask me if I'm still doing not even like oh, yeah. Well, I was waiting. I was I was given the last pod a little bit more time to sink in. Maybe. For the people that watch wondered where you went. How many people watch, but we get there are more than four les, mis wait for the I can't believe you guys went there. I mean, we got me with the nine eleven jokes. Chris with a lot of holocaust comments like, Joe, I'm trying to think he's more. Leland made a lot of Jesus jokes. I know right? He's really out of character. Would just extra strength. Everybody. Simitis bandwagon. You did he said, Trump guy did not it is true. He has a maga- hat. There's nothing. Yeah. There's there's. Had acid shower in his house. Right. Consum- stylish Maga hats. I just see one actually looked where it will. Yeah. Yeah. Great to talk about the rainbow. I rarely rare a ball cap out of the three of us at this table who brought up the rainbow shit is your rainbow mega heck, I would buy that bitch. Of course, there is absolutely there anywhere that all sorts of there's all sorts of freaking did we need her Chris chip in? And I'm pretty sure there's one that's like gays for Trump. Serious dude. You know how many Trump fans would actually be reflected by it. I don't know if like stone, you or hugged, you, bro. Don't hug him because he might tissue back. Doesn't bother me. We know not the kiss guy back all the rainbow mega hat or the guy gives neither one. No. I think I think like that's I think that's pretty actually cool. I do think there's quite a few guys, it would bother. No. But I think I think then it's probably the safest one you could wear because you might it might Burke. Some Trump supporters that are, you know, been homophobic, but the people that normally would wanna spit on you or punched in the face for wearing a maga-, high will be like super confused, and gay this way you go to DC you wear that hat. And then you open carry and smoke a joint at the same time to see what happens. So it's okay for gays to wear Maga hat but not straight people. A love apparently. Yes. During June, June. I geared humid- we do Eric to you a gay guy wears a frigging rainbow maga- hat. He's still going to get almost the same level of crap. Probably more now. Same reason I think so. Talk Thompson black guys who wear Candice Owens gets treated. Ways. But I think Leland, right. I think it's a little bit of a force field. I think I think I think hated more. I think he'll I got on this one man, I think they're looking at these dumb ass white liberals, that look at somebody like Candice Owens and say, you're a traitor to your own people, and it's like who the fuck do you think you are? You're a rich liberal talent. I don't think it's white liberals telling her that though, I think it's I think it's other blacks. No, no video too. I haven't seen a black nude yet blow whistling or ear. But as seen a lot of frigging, little white punks. Oh, yeah. Yes. And she's quick. Yeah. How you doing? Run come intelligent person like that. Who's actually lacking me like well don't you feel like you're he's like, what do you mean? My people people are American who's a who's the racing serving. Yeah. Yeah. Spoken the matrix all up. But there is a I guess there's a there's a fixture a lot of it. Remember, we talked a lot about, you know, of course, Twitter and Facebook, banning right wingers, things like that. You recently doing it with Crowder, demonetizing stuff. We're not bad under just demonetarizing. Well, some of them are. But Jordan Peterson not even sure who that is, is about the talk about Jordan. We've talked about Jordan number is don't get all upset. This whole camera shook? And then he was like, well the throw it. But now he's about to start a new social media thing called think spot. Hey, which the whole point is to be, we don't care what you say is long as it's not a court order. Tell us to take you down, you ain't coming. I mean how YouTube started? Well YouTube was a started player right wing here. I know they got the whole idea was not really a right winger. I it can Canadian scholar that's like seems more right wing because he's got in his more a bigger problem. I didn't even know he's Canadian so there is a safety guard for because Canadian lawlessness, make sure that he has to take everything down. We, that's, that's how everything's. That's how he rose to prominence or start stardom was because he refused to comply with Canada's new feeding gendered laws where, you know, it was a crime to miss gender someone. And he said that, you know, he wasn't going to be compelled. The wasn't gonna give me compelled speech and that's how join Peterson became a household name and not the Pringle, crazy. But really podcasts are silly thing. I haven't seen. Get shut down yet, which is surprising to me. Alex Jones hood to matter if you're big enough, yet it. No, they absolutely did. They don't go. They go after the go after the individuals they'd be platform you entirely. That's Alex Jones Infowars podcast isn't even on. Apple apple itunes? It's not on Google play on anything. Do they completely be platform him which would be the next I guarantee him? I guarantee his website, then he does run website. Right. But dude, it's not the same thing, people, not as many people are going to go to info wars dot com, whereas watching YouTube, or they listen to it on apple podcast, Dr which at least homeless due to take down right there. Well, we've. No, he's so flipped. Would you call with him? But you know what to actually really funny? Funny ironic. Not funny, haha a about a year ago was when they eat platform docks Jones. And you know what he said, he specifically said, they'll go after Steven Crowder, next. That's who he said. He said, they will cover Stephen chronic because you to throw him under the bus their house Jones because. Oh shit. No. It's like we said, you'd freaking frigging a slow moving target, so you start off. He extreme crazies like oh, yeah. Roxy jones. And then you start freaking just, you know moving for the center, you know, from the right. So I mean if Crowder can't stop this, or, and stop this, the next Evelyn would be his podcast would be pulled from, you know, apple podcasts, and then the Google play store, and then it gets the point where you can only go to his website, and if he only plays the fine for content is your own website, and you're not the Washington Post, right? You've been assassinated, you're done. You're dead in the water. So the key for us is to get big enough. Big big. Like is we got a couple of hundred foot thousand followers, but not like a million plus where we're making too much money, and too much, we're going to opening, and then they showed us, I mean, we'll never get to that. But we were absolutely someone that would be like, if we made it, we live in fear that Finn last. Episode shut us down permanently to everybody everybody, if one person even immediately pushes hours to somebody goes, like, hey, this cramps wrong that lasts episode get a shutdown. It'd be an higher. Oh, no. If you were actually making money off of YouTube, we're done, so where they paid attention. They will. They would do monetize us, if we're you know, if they're like no give guys one hundred bucks. That last one's getting period. Once again, our names really? I haven't listened to it. Man. I don't remember it wasn't that we were all. We save ourselves. But you know what? It said the Christian jokes. Yeah. We hated everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It saved us. Because bustling jokes or too cliche anymore to easy. Yeah. I mean we did talk about the petting zoo. Title, any Pederson, right where you get to bang each vote, remember. Well. Remember? I don't remember that you gotta make your way through. It's like waiting in line. You just gonna keep going. Work, your way up to the donkey, make sure doesn't have rabies. Do you want so west what what happened to your face? I shamed it. Glue the rest. Do whatever you shaved off. Did you glued on events face? Nah. Nah, you can't you can't have said last time. So I wouldn't shaved it coming out. Aw. It's just because the jaundice jokes coming out swinging. No, I just I just know. I just happened to look down, and I was like, what the heck why is twelve year old boy freaking working, you know, the on your right? I look like the twelve year old. I tell you what. Looped into that again. I'll tell you why did it might is that Leland. Because you said last time his beard, looked good. He's like. He did him mechanic said your beard hair, looking good, and nice really got haircut shape. So, and so in that was like, what three weeks ago and I haven't grown a single follicle back knocking shaven. He's morning. I'm Jamie free for this purpose. Is it been shaping? Yeah. I all start tomorrow. The jokes on you, man. I prefer this like you. Lasted you look like a child, but you look like a child that has John like lemonade stand or maybe both lawns. So I'm cool with this, you know, I like looking like a homeless guy with a paycheck. I was cool with that, too. So, which is it? You wanna be then it sounds to me like I can just make you do whatever I want. You can I have that much control over unit here, you basically did to us, what west did it been? If you have to go. What do you do? Got you completely shut down. Have you heard that? No, he doesn't know what you want to say the weekend then episode say Sally. If you sell you the week. Oh, I did. I'd never said anything about it. I didn't even vote on it. I mean vote for you by the last cool. But everybody else is. Even talking about wasn't on that episode. And he listened to that episode. I don't listen. The worst. Ever. I tried to listen to it, but Sean was killing me. Very sean. But Sean, you know. Yeah, it was bad. I tried to tell them when you're always responsible for the fringe you bring. Hey, I tried. And he told me about is selling man a week. And I was like Shawn Michaels. Oh that was him in the hat. Yeah. I tried to tell him. Hey, you better beef that up a little bit. Any new it. You guys were actually nice to them, because I was like they're gonna tear your part with this, and you guys kind of soft, gloved, Amanda was like. You got lucky because it's I mean, we don't mind taking on retarded people when they're not saying, but we don't pick on retarded people to their face. Okay. So. Oh, what you retorted. We'd certainly not easy. Not speaking of retards, what restarted story where you're supposed to tell us to last. Ooh, I've been waiting for this candidacy with the retard. Yes, you said remind me about the retail. I want to hear from her mouth, why she thinks retards are attracted to her. She's in thinking that keeps happening man. No, she signed retort. I think now it's happened. So often. Is lower than the other. And we just we can't tell or no you don't just heart. And so, you know, those people's this attracted to her is it like a gay thing, where, you know, other gay guys can spot other gay guys. Hate Caesar to date. One retard. It is so dumb. They don't even know where married. I don't remember now do you do? But I don't care. Chris. You don't remember it. I don't remember man. I didn't run down. I was expecting you to happen that night, you know, if it's the story that happened in your Honey. Until you bought her getting hit on at the Phillies. Forget about a wreath. The eagles because it's happened multiple times so ridiculous. You know. I can't help it, you know. All right. Well, then fine. Let me ask you guys some. Nope. So you're at one of our man points favorite fast food, restaurants, Taco Bell. You give your order. The China were some hard. Shell tacos, are like Radha hard shells, damn aren't gonna go up. All right. How about soft show way to it? Now we're out of it. What, what would you do? Early now. I would call the cops. Why would you do that with furniture on you get as much as it was a dick move? I say here to say that. Oh, so many other things I could get actually, I would have got the Hooker was the Hooker, the two quarters or whatever it was. Yeah. No, it was like to set. But no, she wanted to soft tacos for the boys. Maybe that's why the guy got so pissed. Prepped at material. So west could fuck. He doesn't give a fuck podcasts at all man. You're out of BRAC anyway, in Slidell, Louisiana, a place that I have lived one hungry. Patron was so irate, that he called the local police to report, the fact that they didn't they couldn't sell tacos at taco Bill hard or soft have you not noticed a train with those stories, though? Like there was that lady just recently with chicken nuggets, the same exact story here that I don't remember what started before him because the taco Bell's not Florida and soccer. Well, so this. Passing through to floor. He was going home. And I'm saying she because is it a she? Or he didn't say she. Ms tweeted there. Tweet read. We can't make this stuff up. Well, we have it's been a while, we've got another we can't make this stuff up stories, somebody called the complain that the Taco Bell on GAAS boulevard ran into both hard and soft tacos shells, while this is truly a travesty the police can't do anything about this your head hopefully replenished in time for taco Tuesday. Maybe it's not. They are lying and didn't want to serve the shoe could look at what point do you know what you're out of this? Like, like I said, chicken nuggets, just recently, I wish it was only a couple of weeks ago. What do you mean you're out? Nine one one. What's your mercy? There ought to taco shells. Well, I mean, and how do you not hang up? If you're nine one really weirdest thing to link in sleight in Slidell. The two huge demographic, there is Paul white trash, you know. Yeah. You can talk about. I have no Slidell. Yes. But at all about. There you said you still live there. Chris, obviously, I grew up in a trailer, Higgins, autistic and trash. On the work. So you so maybe shop and oh, don't forget reasons. My wife racist. Yeah. Yeah. Oh here. I think we covered. All right. At least in that gay. Speaking of gay wasn't voting then. So there's some for the two worlds and somebody got to live. Right. They collide in such an epic way that it needs to be celebrated. So you have on, on one, one hand, you have the homosexual community on the other hand, you have makeup. And you think like I've no big deal these go together all the time. So, you know, we'll buy chicks were made the homeless actual was like homeless led. The homeless actual bonds. Homeless had makes meals not go to get it. Not even fast clowns vary. Sometimes you just need. There's, there's a new trend that I think just saying, I don't know why. But I think Chris would probably be the most interested in, and it, it started with this, this guys, don't know. Makeup can go bad. You know, like it expires or whatever. So then they're telling more about, maybe that's what I'm going to do. So then you want to be kept know about putting on your face. Your is your lips or whatever like that. But this one guy, he had been thinking of, like, how can I use this expired makeup? How can I make myself more tractable beautiful? And so we have these expired, lipsticks and why he didn't wanna put him on his lips. He started thinking inputs kinda similar my body to lift, you know. And, you know, you your lips got, you know, sometimes like little lines there, the next accentuate, right? I feel like you guys know where this is going will there's another place on ocean. That's also. That's also a bit of a little smaller no way. The little voice, too, right? You started using lipstick on his buckle. And this is becoming a thing about, you know, making your you know, we can do it up your buckle just prior to your boyfriend. You know, whether you're gay or straight, and they're saying that I hope he does use real women. This is your making this is fucking for this is the best part. This is the best part people. So they said he said that it's actually been helping with guys that are like on the fence about whether or not there, gang. So like Saint like the buffaloes license ants. Aunts, and till the point where they see his asshole. Give it a shot. I'll look at you. Spreading your cheap. Lafrance but they said, but when you when you've got that net ruby red, you know, back door pucker, it's more reminiscent of lifts, how close is they know that. Hey, lipsticks already you've already crossed the line gay guys don't. Let's how you get pink. Don't like chicks. Anyway. Right. So why would they give fuck about lifted period? No, because the guys the bang them the guys that are trying to get the bang them have not had experiences with other men who they're more comfortable with something that resembles a woman's lips. If you get to the point where, you know, Amanda got lipstick on his ass. You're already committed so that train. You're already committed. Maybe, maybe I'm not a will look at this. Like i'm. I'll go into a private room with you. I'm still not sure we'll you'll take off fan. So I don't know spread your cheeks leeland where to fuck did you find your anus? Oh, let's got lipstick. Wait, wait, wait. What guy with over there now on these stories? Of all the things you've talked about on the show. This is like cross the line feeling where you're getting this on the internet. That's just he searched. It kind of makes snow does way. News. Cries, a need because think about it these, like all this expired lipstick. Fire lipstick. What do I do with it? So I've got a butthole. I don't know. Uses pastel crayons on board. Ready did paint something. Yeah. But in a work under asked without criminal, Mikey put it on his lips. You know, chicks do this, too. I mean six could do it for the boyfriend, their husbands or whatever, does he live in a cold area. This is my Netflix and you like what? Because I'm telling you, as talk forty them talking about being bottles. You're not talking about. Once he's not talking about, you know, okay? I'm talking about the guy this cold area because there's a forty seven year old man. It feels like there's always a quarter Cup of water floating around on my ass and balls, some sweat. Why would I add Greece to that equation in any we get one even if I would get like trying to attract semi gave me the only thing that makes this on a gay guy adding Greece to your at? All right now, I understand. I got it. Smart. He looped. For his pleasure to save. Around with a bunch of melted. Lipstick and your but she does not sound like a. Thickly designed. Looking at sidewise sidewalk. Check. It looked like sidewalk. Chalk car. Walk. Lord Benz quit. Think about this door. Vent hedge of duck duck dynasty protection from this. He's with her pray frigging. Why the hell come here want people come come save me lipstick on butthole this we're at, hey, man. Somebody had to say that, you know it's not gonna hurt air. I it ain't stopping. You can make it for your life. Anything with it. Oh, yeah. So let's do a new meaning. Part smoker star buying lipstick. Putting it on horses. That little Estee Lauren. Lips. Oh man. So you ask kind of how I got this? I also, yes, they might kind of the biggest thing here right now is kind of that. So I was more interesting than the actual story. I was I was I was in a bunch seat article this week about makeup. What the fuck living on his own? Why do we pretend like we question you need to shave that fucking beard off your face shave it off your fucking face why it's like Richard. Why it's like Richard Weiss though you don't deserve to wear that shit. Why why jealous? Why can't gave me we're like? I know it's, it's, it's irrelevant valley where the article was about, and I was featured in it for talking about makeup. But to further prove that nobody really leads BuzzFeed he was fee tried. That's what I heard we feature. They waste guys'll announce I'm being facetious interview me about what I thought that you mentioned. How that you mentioned the article. No. No. I just told you about makeup. Clearly not lipsticks, on bundles know about something else about this, this makeup, chick that, like screwed a bunch of people over that. My wife was telling me about, you know, she's all into that. So, but anyways, they put this tweet in their article for you, I had this tweet this article right, dude, nobody reads Bush feed because the tweet only got like eleven likes, so even when buzzfeed's in beds, your tweeden, one of their articles nobody sees it. Nobody reads it. I agree. That's more of a knock on policy. We all know you and was this even on your Twitter, and I still didn't even see, of course. I, I hardly ever look at that shit anymore, but yeah, no. Yeah. Was from my own personal wasn't. It wasn't front page. So Leland tweets. About making a makeup article about makeup to an article about makeup. And we're no. It was about a person in the make of industry with the Arnold pick Arkell picked it up and put it in there. What was a tweet? I mean remember Begum Twitter community. It was it was about this. Check my wife had been watching this, this makeup chick who started like, you know, at our type level. And she just freedom was trudge along on YouTube and all this other stuff, and eventually built up a reading following an audience and she got to eventually release her own makeup line. Like they're you know, she partnered with a makeup companies way, too, man. I'm telling you, the story said, started at our type level fuck Utah Vermont, and she low, she's making fun of, you know, at you know minorities obviously. And anyways says she fired, you know, like, oh, man seeking can-do attitude finally deal. This comes out with her makeup line. It sucks balls to tax our customers and she just lies out her teeth. So it is like Fanta. Like us. Couple days ago. The most recent tweet center, I came across Leland says Bensinger Neil diamond songs all day in my head. I don't even know where it's just the teams. What's wrong with me? He's explaining it right now. Was that me? Are you leaving Leland at random things for what? Oh, yeah. That's an old one. Yeah. Random. Yeah. I used to also what happened thought I had the. I remember my her child, it was only tweet. My dumps. This is no longer you. No longer Twitter account. The last week was from, like two thousand eleven. I, I had I had this food or account. It was called only tweet by dumps. I didn't follow anybody. And every single time I took a dog I took a picture of it. And then I would hashtag, what I ate dude that account out of hundreds and hundreds of followers. It had way more followers button and be. The funny thing was right. Spots out there that, just search for these key words. And then we'll on automatic nevi tweet, it is, if I put, like I had pizza ravioli, or something like that, there would be like ravioli, which with the ball retreat. Are you doing on the man points page? Right. Do you like that before they've before that one got shut down? It had like seven or eight hundred followers like I've only got like twenty. Are you saying hold on? Are you saying now that I'm on your actual Twitter account, are you saying you don't like the new season of black mirror? Nobody touched. Banging on it. And that's the best episode. It's, it's a good episode. It will. That was an no, my point was. The floor. I, I want when we I watched that I was like, are you kidding me? Like no one attendant. That was not going. Yeah. You didn't. I thought it was super obvious like me and my bottom across the ruins black mirror. No. Like as soon as books. It's, it's sort of it's sort of a modern type of twilight zone wide light zone, but it's all about, like sick technology, almost everything's about technology people up in the future and looking for, or being a pig, one of the two. I thought I thought it was actually the only thing the only thing that didn't happen. I guess, thankfully, because we, we immediately call like all of those are going to bang. We thought the twist ending is going to they did with Oilers there. They did not bang, who who's the we. Who are you once, you know, best friends know who's a we were like, oh, when you were sitting there watching this with your buddies betting on who's gonna Bankhead no new season came out? We like lack mirror like, oh, man, let's freaking watch perceptive together just unit say, look together like, oh, they're going to bang. We thought I guess I'm better thought. Gusts thought. I thought twist ending was going to be at the end like the frigging normal news, not the freaking playboy the falcon. We thought his kid was gonna put it on and his body was going to bang his kid in the video shit out of van we were fine. I know black Americans. Would have been dude that might view that Molly Cyrus opposite. I lo you kidding me. Dude, cheesy, Molly virus doing nine fucking nine inch nails. He's at that was cheesy. This is like game of thrones levels. Saul. Saul song was okay. The song was okay. I just there's nineish nail songs throughout that whole thing, just I guess you'd have to be live. And like get it. I know that I said, the song's row K the story was not. I thought the story was drinking cheesy I dunno. I thought this season I thought it was garbage so far. Don't worry straights only three episodes. All right. Well, we're on the pop culture thing who's watched Chernobyl. I started it didn't think it was going to be that good. So God goddamn, slow frigging locked in heart. I'm gonna start. I got to episodes left man. What watching it's just an interesting like it's really intriguing. I watched the first soccer still burden right now the first episode, and it was interesting. But it's UB. So slow as like, damn dude, sort of stuff in there, though, you're like you're almost break down in tears at the aggregation was, so does any of the. Any of the four, we'll just say episodes on? It's all factual episode. One makes you almost want, like there's a couple of like when the kids start playing in the ash like snow man, and babies just like, oh, gosh, dude. And you know, that was scared me. The most was, like, when that expert, chick went, and she was like, no you don't understand if we're if we, if we can detect it from where we're at we're because they, they looked at the closest one it was, like two hundred K way. They're like, no, they're totally fine wars next one. Oh, sure. Well, that's like four hundred K away. That radiation was then. All of a sudden it's like, well, nobody knows in Germany, like, hey, we're detecting. Radiation, radiation, wanted, Japan's worse. But nowhere near this, when you when you watch it, you'll get like it's probably the worst case scenario ever possibly it went straight into it just burned itself, blew the ground and a corporate. If they haven't found the one in Fukushima oh, and by the way, all that cooling. They're trying to do is going in the ocean off. They had to least like this. This is we reaching is the solution to pollution, what wait won't that help like lower global warming. If he's about in the ocean, you will pull it off. Technically, ask Al Gore technically that will increase. Yes. Boiling the water around it. Cooling off the nuclear way when they when they were sending the, the robots in Fukushima just to check what was going on down there. Right. It was frying them. Oh, yeah. Same thing happens for. No. They have robots. They were sending people in there. And they were just like me out and your hands were falling off within fifteen Newham robots. They do use real words for part of it, and then they burn up other robots. Like, ooh, you got ninety seconds. Go. Next got two runs in, I know that the same thing happened. It burned into the ground, they still haven't found it. Fukushima is bad. I think it's in the ocean. It's not my problem. It could be. They should were finding anyway. Yeah. Dude, it give it give it give the two experts that I guarantee you'll be in. All right. Cool. I'll have to check out the say I, I mean I was interested in the first one and then baron two dudes fucking on the show called black mirror. There are no dude. There are. No, no. But there are a lot of do dick insure noble all of a sudden, he's anybody bang polar bear, though. There's nobody banging but there is so much, do dick and wondering why y'all send you're like, oh, why it makes total sense and you'll laugh your ass off. I can't put two into together. Are you ball? Honestly, is a lot of do dig, you'll get it. It'd make sense. It's not like as you'll laugh. It's not done bad or it's not realistic. It makes sense and you're like, oh. Yes. Each other for heaven small for snow. What do you keep saying, do dick? Like, is there shifting on the second, upper jokes Leland. We have to specify nowadays. It's two thousand nineteen thousand nineteen there's only like four hundred fifty ma'am. It's a points. Now you'll get a kick out of it. That's really all I get in watching man fear the log and heads back on. Oh, dude on on down, dude, and then leave and you write on Twitter saw Barry Manilow is trending and got worried that he died turns out. He's just gay few. He's still in my I don't know. I'm still trying to find the killers feed. To get the specific tweet. We were talking about you said, look it up on Twitter, so they're trying to help you out. I was ruining the show with some of my jokes. And so my off color remarks, you read legal ins tweets is going to kill us. We, we're all created. All right. If anyone's the fall, my personal Twitter, it's at Leland the voi-. Yeah. So whatever you're looking at is. I don't know just up by two. All right. So I got three dollars a constant attempt to find something new for the the readers the listeners. What are you guys thinking about this? A bride asks one of her guests to change your appearance for her wedding. She had sleeve tattoos and blue hair in the bright Asher to wear long. Sleeved dress in dire hair to a natural color. This is a bit much bit not at all who kill winning doesn't want to comply the known come, okay? All the things for you to be like that about for real. Let me add this Leland. She was not a part of the wedding party. She's just a guest. I just would've not invited. I just wanna showed up. Like I wouldn't go, okay. Later picture does that pictures of her. Yeah. She's got sweet tattoos and blue hair. She's, she's gorgeous. This is SR was going to say this is an honor than the bride. This is an Australia, still doesn't make it. It's her wedding. Whatever. Invited her. But you don't invite. And then said, hey, but, but. And she's like, well, I'm not even in the wedding party, you say, well, they'll be pictures and you just don't fit our theme. That's wrong, man. It's retarded Israel fitter Comey. She should've, here's why I was not invited her. But I mean like cares if the typical. No, she she uninvited her if she wouldn't change. Would you ever talk to that chick again? No, I wouldn't either. I'd be like, all right. Bitch, clearly, clearly, not good friend. That's what I'm saying like gone. Oh, she banged the groom. Groom's X or something along those lines. I wish I had some bomb drop on this. But really, why brought this up was who fucking cares? This is an international story on Fox News. Why vid saying about international retarded lately focuses in the what else looking for interesting stories bring up? What did you find the one about the meth and the potato wedge fucking box should that have been national news? I didn't see in Florida. Yeah. It was. Wise, potato this point, they're just putting shit on there because it says Florida notice the lead it all. Now, Florida, man absolutely Florida man. That a little bit was that somebody go to a fast food restaurant, and got a piece of meth in their potato wedges. So I remember the story. I'd be like fuck that place to do get pulled over. Okay. And, and apparently the kiss found was his own trying to say he got it from the fucking. It was it was a small article, but it made Fox News unfortunate busy because I was going to say if you found one like I wouldn't even know what it looked like dude. I've been like the frigging help like I wanna thought twice about it. I would just dump the frigate proud of him. I don't know what the hell is. Our what it was pulled up the guy's name and the guy had warrants for drugs out on it. Explains it. That's not the same guy with the coq on the nose. Was it said that it wasn't his. That's a Florida story, too. I guess they swabbed it when I saw the white residue and it tested positive for coke, and he clinched it wasn't is. He's like ours at my buddy house and gave me a line. It wasn't mine got mad at me said get the fuck out hit me in the face. That's just that's the go-to frigging. I knew it wasn't me. But I was home at forum. I get what you're saying. You pull up shitting. You're fucked does this make Minnesota? Near the gate, 'cause it's not news again, it's FOX and CNN MSNBC. They're all entertainment channels. There really are so they have things. Hey this auction. They just have to have things that what I'm saying is, they just have to do things to fill that dead's. Basically find these ridiculous stories that somebody's sitting there going. Oh, it's funny, florally wasn't wasn't on the television. It was it was on their website. Is going to talk about this fucking idiot, but it's not all talker caller from twenty four hours a day to find stuff to kill. That's really stupid stories come up with because they can only talk about the Iran thing right now with, you know, the, the ships like so many times, I've heard the story heard the story heard a story getting hot over there is getting real deal. Why do you think that's a real reason? I shaved and got a haircut. I'm fleet. Reserve bro. Yeah. Call me up to call you back gets bad. Now, China China's Syria. Iran fire up. I he got shot. Where's the new gonna make you work for Chris? You want that the active aby want him. You're ain't getting cold. What rank would they give Huma and we're going to go with me? I'll frigging. Hi, I'll hide the fact I hit my physical lasco's at twenty fifteen does not jump qualified wishful from nineteen eighty eight. No, my last physical said, I had twenty twenty twenty fifteen. Then did you keep your license? That's no, that's the B one again. Yeah. Do just anybody out there. You know, public service announcement, Boone, medical still uses paper charts. So if you can't see go to medical the put you in a room memorize what you got to memorize. Come in here and ask you commit for not committed fraud. Save it a career. Leland. If you're talking you just went completely quite. Yeah. There's a lot going on. Looks like you're talking muted at same time. He's just trying to be nice where else you guys maybe Mitchell watch, and then he'll learn you commute. There's, there's no mutant Arizona. Yeah. There's no mute on his land line. That. All right. I got one thing here that I was going to bring up came as young as a man of the week. But I'm just going to bring up this story. He recently assassinated, a general right? Because may hurt. Somebody's brother. Does brother personally did it? He had had is it says had him in net sesame. What does if he did it matter, we? Well, this is where I think this is where I think he had something to do with it. I guess up to do it. Do you know how he executed him in a Parana field tank no way? So he straight watch team Americans. He watched team American. That's good idea. Ha ha you think of funny, make fun of my dad. Yes. So of course, came to death with cheese. Course for cut a cheese. Most likely they're saying they don't know the full details. It could most likely he was dead, you know, and then they it trim entered it to scare pool. So they weren't the he's not really sure if the died in the tank. There's some six shake gone over there. Right. But how clean was that? Did it actually kill a guy by piranha? That's pretty bad ash. That's entertaining. If you're gonna do it do it, right. A bulletin easy. I mean if you want. Well, I mean he's been using anti-aircraft guns. I remember that story of work. Did it work? It should the guy's dead. That's why if you to piranhas and action, I have, but I've also watched a lot of documentaries where like you can get out. They usually don't swarm, if they're wounded if it's a wounded, there's I envy, you're starving them long and they're probably holding the guy down with the stick. He's thrashing around, you know what I mean? There's there's more to it. But just the fact that the anti aircraft gun like pro like that's like, when you hate a guy enough to kill him period, like you might as well goal in, man. You know what I mean? They'll just have they don't have a hell of our money anti-aircraft bullets costs, fucking money. Honors your cheap around cost like nine bucks. Be can us first civil war cannon even more of that. Real quick. He's literally saving money from powders expensive man. He had his parameters for nothing. He saved money. There you go. Why you'd have is. I don't know. I don't think they're I don't think they're native the north north Kirke. You sound like you're going out there and just scoop with him up. Amazon thing that'd be shipped. That's what I'm saying. Like he had to pay a pretty penny to get some Verona's, bro. Should've fucking got catfish can start stocking pond. So you could feed his people spends all his money on cheese and one that's why has gal Ranas. Coronas apparently, apparently, he's got a really nice aquarium. As rodman. Corium like none of us have made some through Bolus purchases before. Well, we know Leila. Don't need. He's made Ryan. Yeah. Barry Manilow doesn't need. Have you been? Have you been to your love? The Leland Neverland ranch it, what the fuck down. He's got some toys. And I don't mean six. I mean real toys. Gills awesome. You wanna recovery mode, really? Quick collector's edition fucking you haven't been in my house. No. But we've never hung out of remember when we were talking about Batman, this came up about all this fucking shit. He's got at the house, and then he got mad because I said, I was interested in watching the joker and he got old butthurt because he thinks it's going to be shit. I'm interested in watching that as well. Man. I watched that trailer after the last I am too. I just it doesn't look all that great. And then I said, hey, did they call him Arthur is home? Home. I too sick and the first two six trailer, she says Arthur, you know what that means it? That's definitely his name them, because it was so that I two seconds of this Raila. That's one hundred percent. Yeah. It's never anything was there. Definitely one hundred percent not going to say his name. That's what Leland's known. We don't know if that's not his name into didn't. That's the whole thing is this origin story. Again, you could throw a bunch of stuff out there and they're going to play that up. Because that's part of the MIT, those of, of the joker, they may say, three or four different nasal cooks nerds. Kill me. You'll see different. Even though you not understand, but were mythos Ben do we need their tell you what mythos means fucking, which speaking of the joker hunter standard Ortho that was the first to six I was like, oh, they will never say his name. That's not his name. Name. I see what you guys see the end. Because you don't know what his name is. Exactly. That's the whole point. And they needed to keep those if not the kind of ruined the whole thing. My name is Chris, you have. No idea what my real name is. We don't care. There's a difference you care with jokers. No, I don't think more than yours. I kind of liked the idea that nobody knows who he is. Basser slim, if you guys go wash the movie, and they call this, dude Arthur, the whole time, if they call it the whole time, it's possible that we haven't seen the frigging movie there's a thousand trailers out there that are missed leading to the word Jim trailer for six cents. I don't remember the trailer for that be like, hey, this is Bruce, Willis blown align line east freaking debt. Hey, let's get back to the joker real quick. Because I got the you know the recasting joker for Batman movie. Right. Not, not, not not and Joaquin or anything. They wanted to get to wear wolf. Are they? From twilight, you know who one of the leading candidates. Mccully Kokin shut off do not even joke with that. I'm fine. We mighty look. That was awesome. How creepy he looks? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I'm telling you to channel that, that molestation. Ray he's. Joaquin phoenix. Looks like he's crushing. I think he's going to be crazy which he's crazy in real life. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? He'd rip Calkins head on Christian Bale's going to be the Batman in the next Batman move out. So this is completely going to be the twilight guy. Yeah. We create. For five years, you were here last week, it, it's NY. Okay. The vampire, faggot move. Okay. I can't believe I just use the Mitch who that is. But whatever sparkley I didn't either I had to Mike you. Gosh, I had to listen to Leland. I'm seriously. I didn't I knew there was outrage whenever twilight. You must be straight. You know, I didn't even know it was I didn't even notice while I, I was like, hey, what do you think about this? And because I, I knew there's outrage because I'd seen the story right before it came into the show, and then explain it was from the tweet, the dude from the twilight, and I was like, oh, well that explains why are we pissed because that guy was the name Edward? Yeah, some Edward something I didn't even I mean who cares? I have no idea. If you had a last name only knows Edward. Here's some more funny shits, they're making another Terminator. It was just about to say this. But this looks good. They're bringing Linda Hamilton, look good. Will they bring you back then new Rambo looks good to really last one? I think cartel, that's gonna be interesting. I think look cartels. That'd be awesome. Have you seen? Have you seen the trailer for? That's what I've loved appraiser looks good. That's what I've learned about Stallone, though. He knows what his niche in owns. Fines, whoever even in this day and age. It's so hard to find anybody, you can be like these people are the fucking absolute enemy know he's like Sicario sucked. A bus about, you know what I mean. Navy? Like I could just put John Rambo instead of Sicario Don in the eighties. It was totally the Russians right every pissed fucking interfered with Vietnam. The enemy Cold War now wrestling, but that's was doing nowadays. Mexican you can't hate Trump voter row anybody, but violent gang members everybody hates so do a little research on that Terminator. So this is taking place, right after to all these other ones were apparently not, not canon James Jamerson you can do to get rid of crap. So he this is REBA mix sequel to the fucking it. Look good. Look good. Yep. But not that, like I said, the Rambo trailer. Look really good. I did it. It does she jokes. And it does look like those. Fumbles are getting my money for sure. For sure. Ramble. Read it, it looks like the expendable minus six people is imbo ears Rambo was going to be a what you. That's all I need. I loved expendable. It is exactly what I wanted to. It's gauntlets and CGI and. Unless he has that I just need to know. Like, that's the bad guy. We're going to go. It's going to take its good tickets to our children. That's all they're gonna kill him in creative ways for two hours that guys even see John wick three, I've yes, I did. John wick one, and it was fucking awesome. Dude. So I do see three and I'm not going to give any spoilers since these. It's fantastic. I heard nothing. But good. There's no, it is not slow at all based on every. Based on everything you guys have been saying, for like two years. I went and bought the double package like John week wanted to. I've got through one. I only have so many hours in a week where I can watch it without kids being or activities. So I finally got one done, and I'm like holy shit. That was bad ass. I'm waiting to see to. And I can't wait for three already. How do you tell you my John wick three story, did I? Because we haven't recorded sense. I don't think so. We have a record came out. Just have I know, right? I'm Gary tape. No pod got better for a second. Yeah. Exactly. Do like long story short kennison John with a couple of days after it comes out and jitsu? We sit down we start to watch the movie. I mean it takes on all of freaking ten minutes. Do take. All right. So take like the stereo, typical like in a movie or television show, take the like stereotypical sassy. Loud, black woman in a movie theater, multiply that times ten that's who was sitting next to us. What mall were you? Do you. I was I was in Williamsburg, and like we were going to put Portsmouth. Dude. I'm not joking. This woman said something like. As well. If the shutdown are you being Mitch dog or? It's a terrible. She said something to sounds like shoes into it to me every Joe dude. Ben may. Every thirty seconds. No. Dude, that was me like shorting all the curse words. She said something every thirty seconds when there was action going on will. If you've seen John width it's, it's mostly action. Yeah. A huge apply estimates, the whole movie dude, like so do it was if it was nineteen ninety four I'd have been like. I'm on candid camera. There's no possible way. There's no hostile way. This is real. I mean, dude, I'm I'm telling you, what, if your imagining your I'm not exaggerating. Do every thirty seconds is screaming. Everybody knows what you're talking about. And I know west is making racist jokes and shit. No, this is going to shut down there. There've been black comedians who have. No, it's true. We brought this up as a black community thing. Takes take your stereotypes for reason. Why mom is the same dude? She's the worst person. Go to a movie with non stop commenting freaking out like ooh jump scares. Embarrassing is fuck when I was growing up, even as the kid, I knew it was rude, if you're in bearing the shootout. Nothing. You're surprise for nothing. We also had come in here. I didn't do John wick, what's going to shoot. Nobody in the face freak out until she would scream hit me in the chest. Haven't seen it yet because John would shoot anybody in the face this. All right. Just just just. I haven't even seen it. But I know for fact gonna have kneecap anybody, somebody got kneecap. Oh, yeah. He he has quite a few different ways to kill Duplan. This is it the kiono like candy, hit it whatever. Freaky on whatever you wanna call him hit his stride like home. I got this. Everywhere right now. Like he's the big internet. I mean supposedly really nice, rigging, they got they get a Bill Ted's coming out the new one supposedly, he's a really nice. They asked, John, we three will how Kiana like off camera at what is he like they're like, oh, my gosh. When he first walked soon, if you don't know if you're kind of intimidated, because he's so popular, and then he speaks and enter date or actor. It's fucking Kiat. He's probably the biggest literally the, the biggest dork into work. Well, they say the nicest human beings in the world. So I just known that I've seen him going through his Shaw's train or wherever he was he was hitting it. They showed a what's your name from John with three going through very Halle buried? She asked to this should it good. Yeah. She did. Good good, good for them, man. What are we going on his? Well, three quarters of the way through the movie Candace had had enough. Did you have to leave? No. So about three court. I got my next Sally of the week if she made you lead wait. I don't know if it's you know, no, no actually stomach award. And she screams, can you shot auto. This and she's like, go juche Britsh. And she's like you've been screaming the whole movie, then her boyfriend is next to me. No. He like nude. He freaking puts his hands down. He starts to push himself get out of the seat. He's like ask you shake. He starts the push himself get to see. And do you this is not some like, oh, I'm super cool. Like I'm just normal leaving. I don't know dude, I frigging channel my most. Intimidating frigging Leland of all time, because he's sitting right next to me. I would never had any life, I know dude, and I said, what sit down. I think four put zoo, wait up underpaid the white guy. He's like the last time I'm taking shit from a midget. Right now. I don't know what it is. I just looked at him. I said, I said, do sit down and calm down right now and he had his buddy, sitting on the other side of his girlfriend, and he slapped him. He's like I'm in Emmett Choo. Choo? Choo Choo 'em. Like 'cause he's like. Yeah. You grow from wind shut the fuck up. I know sushi like Tony. Thank God you down about like fifty percent man. But I was like, after the move like you know what happened. I was like the fine. Freaking Jonah wick, like she I'm going to get like when she because I can already tell. Of course, I am. Easy fight like I'm gonna I'm shoot a mother episode. It's not gonna do anything dude. But thing though. I've asked people to be quiet during movies in, like an plight way. If I can keep it down to them and the wit, and the way they're acting asking her to be quiet is clearly, not going to work, you know what I mean like making down do not I thought I was going to get a dude. I thought I was gonna fight or a shoot-out Ranjan with Rick dude, I thought about last night, I was at the she because you say nothing. I'm Sally the week Cain of the week there. Right. You know damn well he ain't got a shot if he says, I think candidate has the best luck with that situation. Dude. I'll tell you what he was probably retarded retarded. That's why. Because back, what are you going? In the seventies or somebody who's doing that. The whole fucking theater would be like, hey, you need to shut the fuck up and they looked at my mom a lot. And I was guys, embarrassing did like they're about tell us get the fuck outta here like mom kinda calm down. We've talked about your mom a lot today. My mom's great, she's the best. She worked her ass off single. Mom raises Bush, she's doing Dorothy koetter idiosyncrasies. I'm disabled. I'm just saying. Last night last night. I was at the fucking you really cared about your, your mama show. We'll get as much. Last night. I was at the Thomas Rhett concert with the girls. And this dude is smoking, one of those pot fucking what is electron ick. Fucking fag. The pin things hands. It's clearly plastic it's, it's fucking THC's blowing the fucking winds will it right? Across little girl's face. And I look at these guys in they're clearly fucking military. I mean like mainstream navy. Did you know that domas hair like you'd have to be a fucking door to have that air cut, if you weren't in the military? You know what I'm talking about. Component fucking hindsight. Fades and. Wanna be sleeve tattoos. Am I you gotta be fucking kidding me? And I was. Super close to go over there and saying, hey, I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna be like you need to petition bro. Dammit. This was almost a good fucking story. They was I was just. In tell you. Tell you why I did my fucking Orem, because I knew what I would say, if somebody came to me, I was like, we shouldn't have broken fucking kid to a concert. What concert was Thomas. Rhett. It's a country pop crap. It's like Dustin Lynch and all those why wouldn't care. Yeah. I mean it was like ninety percent. It's like teeny Bopper kids. They were. Kids, they were wasting Mon fucking alcohol, like. I'm the dead until you're kind of metallic. So no, dude. In fact, I owned I almost didn't go. In fact, I didn't have a fucking ticket Susan wanted to take the girls and I was like, I'm not going to be through roof of fucking ten thousand fuck, and drunken fucking teenagers college kids have a good time. I drop them off. I went to go get some sushi before. Right for drought. Mock. She goes, what do I do? If, if there's an active shooter, and I was like. Some eating sushi and Mike. I'm going back. First thing I do is call nine one one. Yeah. No, I was like, I guess what I bought a ticket for scalper, and I found them on the lawn. Luckily, right before it got dark because I looked at a picture. She sent and I was like there's thing in the background. I kind of like dude, I'd have been, like if my if they'd have been active shooters. I'll be in the parking lot. No. But once once I got in there, and I looked at how many people on that lawn. I was like, hey, the plan is we cover the babies bodies with our with our own and pray because. There's nothing you can fuck. And do you know, you, you would wanna be like you cover the baby's run towards dude? Everybody's going to be, they must put some testosterone sushi. We're back in there and was like I got this shit until I got in there, and I was like. The only thing we do is cover the babies and hope for the best active shooter in the concert. There's really not a whole lot. You can do you packing. You can't even get a knife in their head. If you're swinging him lawn chairs on the lawn there to gave you a blanket, you can get along chair. They ran them with monas- while you wanted this launcher renting a lawn chair because I'm gonna but I'm saying eighty some bitch like even if I was nice and this guy and said, hey man, could you do me a favor that shit's blown, right? My kids face. He might have been cool about it. He might have been like fucking shit, and bring kids concert, and then warmer to do like bookstore. Truth. And he'd been like I've been. His buddies like beat the fuck forty seven you gotta realize I don't think I can handle three foot and twenty seven year old dudes even if they're normal players, you know, like it wasn't worth it. I was like look the wind's blowing hard. Don't worry about it. We'll at all I had said at first the thirteen year old I was like, I'm about to go tell him show that shit up his ass. And she looked at me like. Don't do that. And I thought the last thing I wanted to do is ruined their night with their mom. You know what I mean? Like they came out here and I wasn't even going to go, and then I show up in a pool, a typical fuck and on about the focus do something to them. I could see interface like oh, please don't see. All right. Let's just let's just watch show and it resolved. So if he put it he got so dumb fucking stumbling that his friends took him out. He knows his last day. He was like yesterday. That's what it was. No doubt it speaking, actually shoes, get pop on, hey, Virginia Beach, and getting a lot of news. You. It's funny. You mentioned that does that leave. She did. See a lot of news on it, though, like what Tramper days quite a bit. I didn't run. And then, of course shit. Don't fit a narrative, is what I'm getting that. Then here it is not an area that rolls us in the salary week. I'll to explain one a lot, all think we're there yet. But. Saying, I don't know. I was going to ask one simple question first. Because I think this is important. Who who's your money on? Tom or justed before you're talking about. Come on Leland, who's your money, Tom Keith or Justin. Oh, honestly, Justin. I think Justin, is this a Polk among horse? No. Hi. Tom Cruise all stop do harm when the world is Tom in Justin sound like poke him on it. It doesn't it doesn't stores. I'm backing out of this conversation. Didn't you, Thomas you Thomas, you? It doesn't it was a dumb joke. But I'm saying it literally, I have no idea what gets talking about. All right. I'm with I'm with I'm with I'm with ban, Tom, and I don't even like talk. Can we please address question for listeners who might might be like being what the food Jarvis Facebook page or they don't know about it? So Justin Bieber has contacted Dana white and says that he wants Dana white. You know, the guy who owns UFC to get a fight together between him and Tom Cruise Tom Cruise will fuck in whip that ass. Did you don't think so? Cruises pushing sixty Tom Cruise is still in better shape. Does his own stunts five foot one. He's still does all his own stunts and Justin Bieber had to get carried up just steps. Like you just first of all, I could will any of you guys including Ben show, your ball, Justin Bieber. Okay. For most of his new contest, do Royal rumble. Yeah. Ben this'll be real wrestling. These you, I'm not pulling any punches forty. Are you? You got every throw was pooled. You actually got laughing for the first time been smiled around seeing that never freaking, I've taken power bomb. You finish it and I finished it with the razor's edge creek, razor's edge racers at you. Claiming. That's all I wanna see. Leyland are you leading? You then would be thrown out, moves like hulk HOGAN, the frigid legs. Run onto with my arm, and I will admit it will look like hulk HOGAN slamming Andre if you were to do it. Though, it's gonna look like rocky trying slim hulk HOGAN, and he. As a how we got to that. But okay. I don't know. But I'll find out by Japan. How we got here, either for Justin to Tom, and he's comparing himself to Justin. No, dude on saying, do you know what I'm saying? Justin bieber's younger probably more. I mean to be honest. If there's money on it, I would my son says younger than me, and I'll whip his ass every day hunt as much hate to say it. I think Tom Cruise probably goes, like real workout type things. He's learnt. He did. It does that I'm gonna lose weight, be skinny and just do pretty muscle workouts. Which isn't really that strong week? You harm to who's is not looking for pretty muscles. None of offering. Yeah. Stuff. He will have to be some shape. Yeah. He's fucking midget, all rightly midgets, your strong shot up as one you back, then dentist by the tall person. And you know it. Oh, you can do that. Oh, just because it's pride month. We'll let you blue. And if it happens it happens. I got one hundred bucks. Tom Cruise are you taking it? Okay. Yeah. I'll take you know, they're both too big. A push to get this. He ends up happening. I got a hundred bucks. But if I was dating. I five win that God, damn cat of yours has bring me the fucking money. Hey. Hey, hold on. I won't fucking cat to bring that Benjamin over to me. We want to give you. You on the DVD's Mitch would say, why did he fucking do this? Did he did he say he was probably no? It was possible to help. Yeah, I can do it and his buddies like there's no way watches Dana was he on, like Joe Rogan Dana. Now he tweeted, Dan, white. It's not going to entertain a sideshow like this. There's no fucking way which money he did. It's all about somebody will amount of money you dump if you could get those two and a ring, you, you can make that money. He started as a fucking side. Would you not pay pay per view for that all outlandish amount of money? I'd spend thirty he might, but they're stable full of fucking legit bad asses that will see opening by role. It's a, it's a frigging open any. I don't see Dan. I do recite he got. You're right man. Looks like it looks like a bad ass right there. Like I would. Yeah. Massacre white Drake, right? They're doing I put money on that. He looks like fucking Bill and Ted's excellent adventure from the eighties. No, I, I don't see the you doing that. Don't make a joke and something that's legit like that. I wanted to want it row. Oh my God. You can find a picture. Celebrity death. Man. I'm just saying. I think I think I think Justin beamers. I think he's got him doesn't matter. I why did he flip and come at Tom Cruise, so? He's smoking pot watching TV with his buddies. He's probably until you can't. And there's like you know what? I'll make this crap happens. And he started tweeting thinking like he's a tough word about clearly coking just. Just. You kidding me? Xtreme frankly, one always win. Always each money in the crippling coke. It looks like he's one set of stairs away from spinning the rest of his life in a wheelchair. Jude crackheads bounce off frigging four story. Bill Bieber was one set of stairs away from seeing the great wall when he had his fucking security are carry him up the stairs because he was tired. I mean, I know several years ago, but, and I thought maybe blaze booked up until I saw fucking picture. And I'm like, if you had slaves, you do the same thing, Chris, I mean, bodyguard, why are you saying black slaves? I think there are probably white. Why he's Canadian have men care if I if I could have meant sexy men. Terry me everywhere. Lipstick on the buttonholes. I would have them do it. And he's of course, it would. Good. I was going to say in Justin bieber's Canadian, then you just took the words like you just left me speechless. Yeah. And Tom Cruise is a scientologist five foot negative three. Power that hit that guy has I love it. You seem to think that fucking height has anything to do with fighting ability, this each this is in foxing. We can reach has nothing to fucking. I would add that Mike Tyson was not a toll man. No, the other thing, Tom Cruise is not a real man, Justin Bieber is doing shit and you haven't done tending Justin Bieber win. I know. The worst. Here's the thing. No. I've decided. That's why I'm backing. And I'm not backing down. Now, you're on my horse and I'm going with him, doubling down, I'll put one hundred on Tom's begins ever. So we'll do one of these Scientology things. I mean you can see find it on YouTube, but him speaking to the Fraser. Well, they actually asked to lose statues of L Ron Hubbard like he is God. I have not seen this, but you need to look at. Have you ever gone? There's going clear yet. No. Oh my God. Did you gotta watch here? Remedy talk about it. Holy shit but not going clear is the one on HBO the documentary frigging insane. Now, some college literally has slaves yet the gaps not Joe Littler should play in early have slaves because you got to keep on this show. Kill people know it's pretty it's well, documented Leah even talks about the trick from king acquaint. Yes, she was she was in girl. And then she got out of it, every, she's an adult when you re watch it, you, you have a little more faith in a lot of what these people are saying, because it looked legit like these guys are nuts. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like technically. Speaking, all religions are Colt. Right. But this agree. If you look on what? How can all religions be a Colt by definition? Yeah, absolutely much not, not by definition, not the occult a Colt. The military is a car so rudely interrupted by the smartest military's. Not either I'd cast. Being leaving we invited you here remembered you're not freaking legacy bro. Did you to? He can't hear you pull this, though, just raving without interruption. That's funny. That's the best thing you know. So it was pretty fucking good for. That's why we're keeping you for Christmas. You can't see who aren't Washington live. That was pretty you look like a retarded, moose right now who okay see him because he put the headphones back on. I can't see him how big is your delay on the video thirty seconds or so. What are, you know, whatever, you know, he just answered you is obviously not on the video when we speak you. Put away. Damn. I he wants to fight me. Now. I'm a Florida retard. Maybe never Florida. I wanna I wanna fight you because you're a Florida retard. You don't retards. We all know this. Just ask me. It sounds like already. So ask you best friend. Yeah. What that's why I know how to fight them because always having defend my wife's honour. You haven't flown award. I was gonna say 'cause your wife when me with you right now. She's been over some dude shelters being run down the road. Oh. Use Cote will usually it's like in the bed into things, right? Is that like, what is that? The ogre steals, a Princess. That's what would happen, Kansas. Right. Gone three could ever had played the road. So. Holt does not always have negative connotations. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The joke because we know Ben's gonna run out. Jokes words, who knows? Maybe this is the thing. We should have said, okay, here's our first patriot event. The fight. Them. I. Honda for people any for the beginner, then he for the low end guys you're paying money for that. And I'm I just want to let you know, I'm obligated legally obligated to let you know, I took three months of boxing lessons. Okay. Okay. The Sam that, that guy on MIR that says he's teaching you jitsu when you roll around on the floor. First of all, my not be legit. You're in the my lessons, my lessons were one hundred percent legit because they were from an old black man with a greybeard. Okay. Slut me that let me know. Leila still quote. I was learning was real. He'd love me. He loves me very much. Anybody lipstick hundred butthole. All right. Guys. This episode is not called butthole lipstick. I'm gonna be pissed. I put lipstick on a pig. Slips date. Pothole I don't I don't have a prompt with that. But. I went butthole lipstick but holistic, it's lows you want it. Yeah. I like butthole if hey, do you wish? Never said that grief. It is time. The lifts. Pig. We got to bring this up because it's been that long. I know the jokes been made put it still the funniest thing ever seen in my life in a long time. And that's Hillary Clinton to be the key knows fi here at the summit at the what that's a defense summit. I thought it was great when I saw thought he was thinking, and I had to look it up. I'm like hilarious. Wasn't from their onion. No, no water. Leery. The one I did say. Keynote speaker. Now here's my thing I like their dentist talked about it. Could you match and that committee relent? Hey, who should we get one of the guys like? The reason never job. She he'll do it. Oh my God. You think she'll do that'd be frigging hilarious like let's try it. Legal defense mother, she'll do anything, would you guess who the first presidential debate, moderator was no, Rachel Maddow? Yeah. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Here net fits it. That's fine who cliff bittner that. No. That actually is entertainment value. Yeah. That just fits it is. So. No. That's where the Democratic Party. That's yeah. Specified that. But yes, that's fine. That'd be ever since. I think it would be initially where would really be better if you'd have Rachel Maddow, do the Republican debates late like, you know, after the next radio like twenty twenty four they're all just crushing her right where she does that I want, and then you get somebody like Crowder doing this. You know what I mean? Like let's really make it fun. Let's make it real question. Crazy. Intelligent, man, these guys because you're not gonna ask you questions sitting none of them want to answer. Like a Republican moderates gonna ask Republicans. What did they want to answer? Same thing with democratic moderators going to ask the Democrats, would they want to answer the opposite? They're gonna ask you what you don't want to hear. That's what we should do. We should have Democrats moderate, the Republican primary Bursa. You're going to give crazy questions man. It'd be like a no tro- got mad at that, dude the other day he's like your little wiseguy. Colon when he was in Poland. I, I don't think so this was pretty recently with Stephanopoulos and my saying that right from CNN. Yes. That guy George Stephanopoulos paid that guy since he was the Clintons. So he was pushing the whole report narrative, and obviously the presence over the shit enough. So he kept pushing me a little wiseguy. That's what you guys, do fake news. You know what, I'm so glad that report finally got released was everything changed because he was did he some big time. Everything changed. You think it should that when they did the was doing the thing, and he was there at the cemetery, and all that, that they were asking questions like that. They did it again. No respect. No. She's standing there with the prisoner in Poland. They're asking is not a time that you don't. That's a one time like. They don't that's internal crap. Anyways, you'll do it overseas. Right. Right foot day as bad in. This is not being a little bit smarter. Let's like us doing a nine eleven joke in public on nine eleven. Like you just don't do that. There's not showing up if you idiots do that. Not nine twelve is cool. Nine twelve I'm nine ten is cool now. No. We've got some since nine eleven secret. Well, we made a lot of nine eleven day jokes. But we we did not release it. I don't. And that's not don't to be we don't want to be hypocrites. Well, there's joking. It is in their environment, the timing. But if it's a memorial type thing if it's like a debate, respectful events, have you guys joked about d day? Yeah. Have you I don't know if we did talk about Pearl Harbor? There was a right to. So, you know there's just this the same thing around d day. Yeah. Time, let's tragedy equals comedy. Tired of the time distance and shielding your question. We have one rule at one rule only we have three hundred eight this, they have no. They have no until their underground. Yes. That's right. It's like it's like relation time distance and shielding. It's like thing like I won't make fun of you. When you die until you're in the ground. I take that back. If I get a chance to speak. Yeah, I know. Leland's he's joking me wanting to fight me me, he's like all over. We will. We will bring in his own WWE ref funeral. I know you bet account this out piledrive this dead motherfucker right now counting everybody's shoulders are touching. You guys made a bingo said. Figures asked what was that still get his ass? Do you know the, the coffins going to tip over you're gonna fall in? Thank you off. Because like I said, we're burying you in piano, freaking. I'm fine. I'm fine Ben. We come. By you get the fucking pussy with. All right. It is about that time. Unbeliev- banned for not wanting to fight me. Okay. Oh, lord. All right. I'll go I'll go first. What are we doing the Sally, or worth the Fort Worth school board for recently voting unanimously to fire Georgia, Clark, who was a teacher because she had the on DASS ity to tweet to President Trump warning him about the exuberant amount of drugs and a legal immigrants on the campus. So the forward highest e school board voted to fire her accusing her of posting controversial tweets, basically, she said, hey, we've got a ton of legal immigrants here, there openly selling drugs in the halls there, openly selling drugs outside the schools. I would like you to look into it. Miss it. You know what tweeting about immigration status and drawing attention of the problems, we have here, we're going to need you to go, so they fired her if she would have finished with cash tag dick in the mouth for hedge tactic in the ass month. Enjoy it what it's probably the main role. Oh, dude. I'm just saying like someone someone that's actually trying to do something better. Like, she's she was telling them open hashtag selling drugs. Yeah. There's a there's a free you. I'm a little torn on this one, because I don't think she did anything wrong by calling attention to the problems that they're having to the president. But she thought she was deeming him, which means she's dumb fuck or DP in them. But also, he's not into that the teacher what the school, the school is a business. And if you work for any business and you got about not in public school publicly out school, verbal shit. Let's time out for everything, and hold on. Hold on for a school is a business straight up the rising, but school public school is a business. They get all their funding from the government, and if they don't meet certain criteria. They lose funds. This is why I can't just write a note saying, I took my two sons out of school because we went to go see his brother who's in the army, they're like, that's not good enough. I that's not a good enough excuse because it had to make. Their students not being there. They have to be sick. But so I have to lie. Same reason why they finished all their SOL's is what they call it in Virginia, which always makes me laugh their standard of learning tests, which I can't remember what we call, but it wasn't SOL. I laugh every time they say that, but they did it a week ago and then they still had to go to school for a week, they didn't do shit. They watched movies. They played games ahead ice cream fucking parties. But because they have to have the school for so many days, they lose a shitload of money per day. Yeah. I think they're saying a major market. It's a business. I know I agree. What I'm saying is, I think you're missing the major Mark, do you want some teaching your kid that can operate Twitter like is that hard? Not. Okay. Never mind, Chris. Well, I'm not teaching students either. But, but they're also usually twenty years old. Yeah. She's first of all, she's dumb, but Secondly, she's on online, bad mouth, and her company, quote unquote company. Right. The per the people. She the institution, the company really she just highlighted. There's drug legal old on biz. You. At the school is not, not. So do you think that she question that it'd be genuine that was her first step? Exactly. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. I yeah. You think you're genuinely did nothing probably not actually true to the president. I agree. Now that I just crap I got this smoking a cigarette in the lounges. I'm going to show these what's going on. It down my age from you. I think she needed to be fired. No, I think that was that was a bit of a fucking knee-jerk reaction by the school board idea. But I don't know if Sally. We'll have to. We'll have to wait. He's there have to see. I mean, it's, it's Sally because it's a knee jerk reaction everybody so afraid of any kind of backlash. But same time it was a dumb thing for do man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anyways. I don't even read it. You know. Tweet reads every fucking one. Why do you think he's up to four in the morning for it to tweeden back stuff? He's every aircraft nothing better. He's got nothing. Better sleep only gets one one or two tweets. I love you are. Hey, you like it just cracks me, our it's kind of like that it's kinda like I've been reading some of these, like a lot, especially 'cause birthday things and I get a kicks read the comments. We're like, oh, happy birthday, Mr President, and they frigging going through, like he's awesome. We love you. We love you. We love you. He must die like your last like what's the biggest seventy four. So we're purpose half the time with comments like personal. He's not reading it. You're doing it for other people's. He's seventy three seven. Yeah. So we three seventy three holy shit day to do because you can have your birth. We're gonna sing happy. I think he's younger than me. So younger Biden. They're right in the ballpark, Biden, binds, binds. He looks like he's got trained operates all older than that. He's better shape than Trump. But, but he doesn't think. Yeah, no but buying a loser finals. Bird. Fifty one states. They've been all fifty one fifty three three. That was Obama. That was a bomber. He was young Puerto Rico just talking about ninety more whenever you don't know if you remember that he was, like fifty three seven fifty three states and like doing. Yes. Yes. He got reelected. He was going to get elected originally. I know some saying, and then he got real it. All right. He got Meghan repeat. No. Right. That now is that. So she's a member of the US women's national soccer teams at apparently locked of coming to like this. Apparently, she is a Colin Kaepernick sympathizer. So she right before they played Thailand. She refused to sing the national anthem with her teammates on a national stage. And here's, here's one nominated is it a big deal probably about to Alami. We talked earlier, here's because I know you're going to go in a second. But by what my problem with it right now is in y almost agree with you is, she's just on coattails. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody fucking cares. That's the thing, Donna Kotel like sushi. So you're doing this, how many people do you think paying on your side? With this. You're about. You're overseas representing your country. It's been a lot in the world's most popular sport. And you're doing that. Nobody cares about women's soccer. Good. That's been a thing to. I ready was it Warren who said they gotta be earth, or, or one of one of the one of the presidential candidates sexist on what they did? Brand gillibrand who was like the brand Emily weren't men who. Your brand. You know, it just it's just a shame because, you know, our girls have more than a lot of these other girls have in these other countries that are playing, you know, and, and they're very filing. Thailand girls have one advantage of yet. Okay. I just think it's a bad look overall. You if if you feel. If you throw the fact that, you know, they want thirteen enough in which if you compare that to football, it's like five hundred fucking nothing in soccer, right there over. Celebrating, I think repeaters scored the tenth goal of the fucking game and hers was the most annoying, you know. And then she's acting like that. Just to me, it's, it's distasteful. I didn't like it's disgusting. It doesn't matter in, like isn't matter what the current state of your golden renews. If it's a president, you liking or love, or you hate, you grew up, super privileged compared to the rest of where we've talked about this before, maybe if you want to let her know, one thing, it's soccer. This is America. Nobody cares can't clear the I didn't hear any watching you. I didn't give a foot watch men's soccer. This is a guy who, who coaches, Wes is the guy who calls so soccer. I'll say I watch. Anchor whether it's, it's men of the women jolly the week, been well, whatever. That's fun. I'll watch it. I do watch World Cup soccer. But that was just import Esab wrong states to do it. It's world over so. Joe? Hi, total. I totally agree with you, Ben, but I do want to go to something what west was saying. So they scored thirty one. Thirteen minutes thing. Huge Blount will note. There's never been a bigger goal disparity is I'm reading a man the week. So the girls soccer team. Kris Bryant American. So no, no Christine. Gillibrand Elizabeth Warren, all them. We're talking about. How like whenever do I get a crazy? Everybody's name. Maybe now it's time for, for the women to be making the amount of money of men, and she started bringing up this pay gap and men's sports, and, you know, between women's sports, and all this stuff. So, you know, obviously sports is based on food watches in how much money they're drawing in, in two thousand sixteen the women's World Cup soccer team lost find to tune to a high school boys team. So maybe that's why it's not making much money or never them. It was a Fokin. Imagine what that boys team could do the frigate Thailand, girls know listen, that was a for what do you call that should Bishen execrated? Thank you. That was like in rocky so so, so I'm gonna ask you. So let's say let's just let you in. So let's. Title lose. Yes. So, so you're going easy on them. And they're like, oh, hey guys, they scored a goal. Oh, the score this three regal maybe strep man for real to you think the women's World Cup soccer team. Let the boys win. Yes. What I'm saying. I don't absolutely not every single times, dude, every anytime. But that's my, that's my opinion. How how in the world is that makes sense? That's the most embarrassing thing not to mention every single time a world class, and I'm not knocking them a world class female athlete plays a just normal dude, tennis, golf soccer. They get destroyed till McEnroe. He got his ass be by the best woman in the world. He didn't want to and he did not want to. Here's my thing does. This and the MLS back home. Whatever, but everybody that's watching you is watching with American ride. You know, this is an international thing time. Let's go to the real issue, though. Why does she say? She wanted to why is she doing? What did she with? With. An f you to the president. Right. Who does the national anthem represent not off the press. President, not the military. Nope. Not the cops I meant the people right in the middle. When she responded that I'm just trying to get into the country that gave through our community can become the best in the warmer, that her sport, who who's paying for her to play soccer on a American World Cup team funds at we're who owners uniform utterback who's put food in her belly right now. Is it merica? Might be I I'm just saying like. Like play this. Right. You know what? You're right. You're not. You're seeing get you ass back here. Yeah. Go to McDonalds saving on crafts beat it nerd anyway. That's one of the things on this one Olympic team member or Roque. Like if you're playing for the American team and being funded by the American public. You get your ass back here. Like I don't see why they don't do that. But it doesn't make sense bitch. We need to add to that, the frigging, whoever coaches them whoever's managing that team has anything to do with it. Tina's let her do that, not her who's letting her do now her to her to for sure, she's in there. But letting her do what I think is a bigger might not have said she was going to do that. She no, she lives, set it like she said before she went over there. Yeah. She did. She said she will never seen the national apple again after off a team. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like get the go play for the fucking Russians the Colombians or who the fuck agreement argument, but they should have said that and it didn't, that's the people who are the salaries, they didn't have the sack because they know they crying go, my God. They're against her. Didn't have the sack to do that, dude? Well, that's it's the same thing with the movie theater, the reason it's so rampant is because nobody has, you know, sex what shut the fuck up. We're trying to watch a movie. I don't mine down. I need playing with it. We're with frigging woman's women's US soccer team. That's going. Living to everyone Lintas over here. Just can decide and like no, no, I'm I'm on that one out and want to remind up okay, let me all right. We've got. Pusher. I still I still have here. Yeah. Yeah. It's on you. It's on me. I thought not. Fort worth. I got wrister, Brian couture forty years of age of forest grove, Oregon, he pled guilty on Monday to initiating a false report. He's put on probation. Find one hundred bucks in order to perform eighty hours community what you guys already did it where are you at right now? What the fuck if I was sitting here, reading that shit I was about to say. Hold on. Hold on. First of all, I can see how far is going to go into, like Iran. I read the fucking article several times, and I put it into my own words. I'm not hit. I'm hitting on fucking, you know, Oscar de LA Hoya over there. Fucking. No, no, I'm reading shit. Hold on. Hey. I and I did it. I did it monotone. I'm sorry. I did this far monotone on purpose because this is the part on my God. Wait a full credits. Another story on the fuck. I would say Ben Chris is brought up prisons brought up hundreds I've Sally's of the week you brought up three. To run a the harder on him than you again. You're not from you're never going to let me know because. Yeah because I'm trying to I'm trying to get greatness out of you. I'm not sure if we can get up wasting your time live. Let bend do absolutely wasting your time. All right. You're right, whenever I can forty year old cock sucker from Oregon. Let me just put it. Let me just rephrase it to a right. The forty tour. Yeah. Pled guilty to God damn you guys fucked Miller. It's what house we read it conditioning, false reporting put on probation, find one hundred bucks and he has to repay what he stole. What do you think he did? What do you think you stole or did to cover this up lipstick and put it on his butthole? So black. See. He staged a home invasion only help stays home invasion. His house to cover up the fact that he's still seven hundred forty dollars of his daughter. Wait, wait, is this Shawn's frigging guy? No fucking shit. Kill. Nobody came in and cleaned it out. I'm not even a man. I'm not even a man. Selling that we break into their. It was bad. That's us man. That week with somebody broken a guy's house and cleaned. It. No. That's yeah. That's good. You that bro? Anyway. Dude. So this guy did all this shit to cover up the fact that he stole seven hundred forty dollars of his daughter's girl scout cookie money to get neurotic massage. That's a good reason. It means it rob this up before. No, you didn't. I feel like we did. Yeah. I'm the only one who's been on every single pot. Never heard that. I'm john. No. All right. You might you might read it in nearby brought up. But invasion on on another show. It's okay. Don't crack the screen cover up that he took the money to home invasion. But you're saying, yeah, and the cops started realizes inconsistencies in story, there was blood splatter, and appreciate. It was his on. That's weird. Does the guy attack? You know. Oh, I just that's so fucking Sally. It's, it's a double whammy, you're stealing from the young girls. To take the money I kind of adds to it. You're right. I'm probably dude. Somebody who we know is being trafficked to give Roddick massages, maybe not all of them, but a lot of them it's just thoroughly laws in assume. Dude, dude, dude, you're missing the, the worst part of this story. He incredibly overpaid. Hundred and forty dollars. Think about that, either. I there. Yeah. Dude, I can get a handy for like twenty bucks downtown. Doing. Oh, what's his name? God, you know who that dude needs to contact the patriots owner row. You can get a lot Cheever more. The. I know. Right. That's. Florida that almost lends credibility to the fact that maybe it wasn't human trafficking that like seven forty bucks is a sport. You're thinking, maybe she was hot as hell in running round around hot ones or like what three four grand. This is Ben how much is it? Insure or do they have hot chicks per animal? Oh, one hundred hundred dollars per animal seven forty. Well, you got you got to cut through, I got seven horses and the Mexican immigrant cut through all that Bush, I'll do the underarm Bush. Yeah, I don't know. I, I thought that was Sally. Fuck. Man. I it is nude girls girls scouts and your daughter. Your daughter, and then you I mean my goodness to get all those, but then again, you've already got this hot chick. You want your daughters. Yeah. All right. So we ready to vote Mitch on. Anyway. I'm. Got whatever legally. You do. Mitch mitch's vote. Yeah. Leland bre to send you know, the governor. What's injury? Ralph Northam governor Virginia. He this. He. He's not your calls is long enough. The Virginia Beach mass shooting to make more restrictive gun laws. Oh, but here's a wonderful thing on the building that you can't take you, here's, here's a wonderful thing, though. She's he can't. I know. But here's what the thing is. I brought the story up because they have what they what they have found out was at one of the women that work. There had a concealed carry permit and she was telling her husband on the rig. This guy's weird in a more worried about them, too scared to bring it and I'm not allowed to go because it's not even a law. It's Virginia Beach city of Virginia Beach. It's it's a rule. Well, isn't that eight law that you can't bring it in the note? I guess that's what north north is trying to make it a state. Well now that would have saved him. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The parking lot. It's Virginia Beach, Virginia Beach city rule that their employees can't bring any type of weapon. So she, she told her husband, I'm considering bringing my gun in my handbag, but she decided not to do it because this is where the Balsam in the building. They worked in if anybody's been there, there's no metal detectors. Nobody would have. She could have done it. She could have brought that should maybe she didn't want to break the law. Well, here's what we'll here's one. The things with me with that wasn't a law, though. They could have just fired her. Yeah, it was a rule. But, but here's one of the things lose their job. I get it lose your fucking still carrying right? You're not gonna lose your job until you have to. Twenty four hours later, she was dead. Yeah. There twentieth anniversary would have been next month. She leaves three daughters behind intervention. But this is this is where I would have been weirdo on this. And this is where like I do believe that the silencer leads to a couple more deaths. But that does not mean that I don't believe that you should have like you should be able to buy salads or you know what I mean. Well, no, I like when they're talking about discussion people like well silence. I believe in. Do believe the property. Down the hall making racket. We know what it is. And this is what I talked to about it like I would understand what it was other. People are listening for that loud crack, they're not gonna understand a lot of times. I've had I've had pressures with subsonic Cam. Oh, that sounds like a BB gun psych. It's pretty quiet. It never sound like the movies like. Sounds more like a paintball gun always reminding people that mechanical, it's you're going to hear people screaming. Right. Right. But I'm saying I must say that lead all the deaths. I'm saying it would allowed to maybe a couple of others. And that's where I'm like, you know what? You're right. But it's does it that you can't? Have it like I'm not saying that I don't think you should be able to have it in what makes me nervous, and we talked about, this is Trump comment on the silencers his reaction to bump stocks, you know what I mean? This is where I get a little nerve wrack. Yeah. Because I'm with you people don't understand, like granted. Yes, it did lead to or possibly lead possibly sanity outgun fuck it right. I'm not saying but, but you still should be able to have it because again, man, if the frigging United States government's got two fifty Cal, I can have a fit to Cal. That's my way. I believe the second amendment was written. Guedes though, man. I don't care if they can have a grenade. I can have regular everybody the United States government gives her native either. You have to have certain qualifications. Get it. Okay. Then we'll make those qualifcation but I should be able to buy it. Don't want it. I got it as civilian, I should be able to go get those catching, I'm say, hey, I'm getting I got that, but I'm just saying that I think you should be you'll tit for tat. But it just funny because they're going to use that so well. Oh, they've already got the bump stocks gone, the gonna get frigate suppressors gone. They're gonna get the semi automatic story up because of that situation. And how what we were talking about earlier in pod, how that was a blip on the radar, and they covered this mass shooting a parade, he quick, it definitely wasn't like Vegas or anything else, I just which goes back PS PSE announcement because we know everybody gets a real news from amp points podcast, live in Virginia, you better be ready to vote here soon because all kinds of crafts bought the happen in July, when they do this frigging committee, because this is all going up in front of the frigging, the house and Senate for black faces already in trouble. So he's going to do or the fuck, they tell him to do what are you going to do? You try to take away everything in July first or not you like for his first week of July, they're having the they're, they're doing a special set session for this be so awesome to be open house. But guess black face. Question for you. Would give me dragging out your Shali Virginians. How did you let him off how it's already frigging feeling literally gonna do now that in Arizona, wait till lex Zona, the impeach, I was gonna say isn't impeach AST? Impeach our governor was fucking name, dude. He was blatantly racist. I don't care what you say, if you don't believe that he was the one in the Clinton outfit, then he's the one of the black face. If you don't believe he's either one of those guys, he's still with the nickname Koon, man. You don't get that. Unless you're in Louisiana. You're like that. That's Cooman that's has way, different. Good man. There's a reason that's in his yearbook. There's a reason. Ed mecum was the government Zona. They used him for saying picking any the whole day was like, which is not a racist. You're out. I know. But it was racist enough place you in. I mean, the do did other shit. That was, it was pretty pretty blatantly racist instead of the picket. Anything? Well, I mean some of the some of the legislation who's trying to push like super retro like Democrats shit like what the fuck. What are they on? All black people must pick cotton, retro democratic re-, segregating schools, all this crap. Okay. Well, that's right. That's racist, bro. He needed to go, but was it was it was awesome. People zone is they only be pushing like so the NFL was going to have the Super Bowl and Phoenix at your, and they're like, if you don't impeach him, we're going to move the Super Bowl and the whole states fuck you. And they didn't impeach him and the NFL left and then we did it again a year later. They moved to impeach him when we impatience because he's a racist, but not because the NFL said gonna play your going gonna take our bowl and goes from real. So what are you going to bring up anybody on that we just talking about it? It was trying to governor Ralph Northam for trying to use this ribbon in orders playing rich create more stringent gun laws that would bring in. Bringing it look worse. I just brought it up because that's fucked up story. And I feel like it's been overlooked by the mainstream media a lot. I've heard it bit it. But it was the way I think gun shooting should be brought up in the federal earn a national news. Like, all right below. All right. It's your state problem, fix it. They didn't really bring. They did. I like I didn't I was a deep, not deep web. In different if the person had been different this would have been bigger. I agree. But that's because I mean how many people thought a black guy did it? You knew as a white guy before they ever brought out who it was. And then you saw thank God. What was thank God, you not think it was a white guy. I brought the story I tell guy. Guy until you said that right now. Go started because they didn't even bring that shit. Yeah. Knows what guy but I didn't say thank God at any point. Let me just for the rest of the being the Rick racist. It wasn't really happy. But it's one of those where you're like holy crap. It's not the white guy, not the crazy white crap from the back. It was a white guy that's a racist. I am. I guess I am too, because that's how does white nude for sure. It's usually it's generally the safest either or it's a white, dude. I know the DC snipers, though. There's your oddities. Everybody's got him to the stereotype breaker could be. So we're gonna vote and Leland. I'm I'm voting for Christmas, dude who way overpaid for the handy stealing from the girl scouts. The reason the guy got all. What I'm going for. Maybe he's never been overseas. I've felt for the last women's soccer frigging group that not only brought her, but this dumb ashes frigging doing overseas. Worst like. She's not doing the anthem at world games, and they're allowed to be there, and she's doing it in front of frigging four national. So I'm sticking with her. Bitten on America, and no joke, and the people who brought their spin on America, the people frigging. Feeder, we're feeding her. She's got my tax dollars from trying to play. He's wearing it. Stupid bitch. I don't know what we're gonna do here 'cause out because while bins intr- Megan repeat, no, what a fucking con cells as fun selfish. I got agitated advant and job selfish, Spence with free flight to play drama. No fish. Fish gal. Who's been she stealing from boss spoon, fed, or fucking life to be on this fucking team, and to go over there and kick ass on our in the name of America and then stands are fucking say after you hear the senior, I games like year after year after year. She's on the World Cup spin on to your as as a step daughters. Now fuck dude, I can't believe this guy, stole his fucking daughter's girl scout money, and spend it. Job do clock for seven hundred forty bucks that, that lends counselees. Dom dumb doesn't make you a Sally if you overpay dumb ass, right? I'm not I'm not giving them. Thank you could have got that credit juice off taco them selling for being dumb. He couldn't got it for two. I'm getting for fucking bitter being wrong for stealing from the girl scouts being wrong for stealing from his daughter. And then the fucking thing you used it for disguise talk about a fucking, Sasha, just like folk the girl scouts of look, my daughter and fuck this porno. Listen, the front end due to take any money from your daughter's, this, this chick did, let the man. All right. Brian tour man. I can't. I can't Dan. Quoting for Megan in that whole lot fucking organization. They're both fucking disgusting. What America, the whole America, a whole workers day America. Honestly, the American sports system that put them in. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Oh, thank you. Do it. And you sit at American selfish little bit God. But, you know, you could also throw her parents and their through anybody anything raising her that part of can't. Oh, come on. Still do some stupid when they're adults. So you're going to blame the coach because she's going to go do something Steve. I'm not blaming the coach. I'm blaming the people who paid for her to go over there. That's you know. Groggily may cast Shelley fucking weeks. We didn't choose to pay for, but somebody brought her knowing that she's going to spit on everybody who's paying for it to be there, like do it doesn't get more salary. Just give more salaries. It gets more salary that when he's still girls. Let her daughter and go get a fucking hand job. You're pissing on the people who brought, you just leave her in the locker, because just make your decision west. I did. I did it wrong. St draw. It's a drill handed out. You gotta piss. He's so mad. He's not winning voted. He's well, no, I don't care. I'm just saying stalemate. So we don't know it's a dream self. We're winning. Let me put it this way. Oh, see dude. Rob from, like microbe microbe back. So no, no. West doesn't get the fuck inside this. Nope. The listeners audit. Hey listeners, right in you guys tell if Wesley Vegas. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you do this. It's a stupid show. What matters? No, no kidding. Right. Listeners. 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Actually, I got to, I got one I hadn't none, nobody was working one in a p until I came to a possible replaying, spades. I've got to I'm gonna I'm gonna go with my first one. Hopefully known as my second one. I have two very strong. Contenders aguirre. What he around here we could double up. Good though, right? We'll all right. So I very strong contenders. So I, I would say Nick bird Dylan, wink Wyan hall, and Seth I couldn't find his last name. So in Oklahoma. Kathryn Ritchie had lived in the same home until so for fifty eight years now that all changed three weeks ago when she was in the bathroom, and she's like, what's that smell, and she realized her breeding bedroom was catching on fire? Now, all for the guys names that I mentioned are between the ages of fourteen and seventeen. They were you know, just walking around the neighborhood, like majors do ride bikes and they smell the smoke. Now they went to the house could hear Katherine in the house, they call nine one one and then decided that. Hey, we're here. You know, nine one one in. We're gonna do something we're queer. It's pri- on. Glenn lear. These four these four boys men for what they did it kicked in her front door. That the house at this point was borderline completing golden flames. Have you seen the video? Yeah. They, they could hear Katherine mean Cal. They found her they carried her out of the house saved your life. So, so four boys between fourteen and seventeen. House completely on fire. Don't know this person know, someone needs help, they frigging frigging man up kick that Dorin going their throat through the chick, you know, like an ogre over her shoulder and run out of the house and save it would Candice. Exactly, I'm I'm just saying, man, you. We talk all the time, and it's almost cliche for many of the week of putting your life on the line, and I'm thankful that we have enough stories where does seem commonplace. But these were these are four teenagers. You know, two of them couldn't even drive, you said Nick, and they'll really mean and who else Nick Berg Dylan, wick wine, Holland SAF, sat did neva's last name, and they're willing, they're willing to put their lives on the line. This, you know, say this, you know, quote unquote, old woman who they didn't even know. And I it, it's a, it's a pretty an amazing story, dude. It's an amazing story for some teenager passer bys when did you that? I don't know if you said it was the one was like ninety one she. Yeah, I do cheap she'd been living there for fifty eight years, like, if I'm right. It was like she was ninety two right at ninety. Yes, she wouldn't young. You don't say that, if you own your house, fifty eight years Yangyang, so if he frigging hundred ninety. Exactly right. Ben. Oh, the bluff was the four boy saved your life. Okay. I'm going with Jon Stewart. All right. That's one of my off. Oh, I have. What did you say? You say you don't like Jon Stewart I don't. So normally I would now for John Stewart for anything do you take I brought him up for man the week before for what he does for soft operators. All right. Well, in this case, it was nine eleven responders in the Bill to keep funding them. You know, he he in some I don't know how many it was. But they showed up in the congress to, you know, talk about getting this Bill done, and I it was pretty much empty room and what he did was he stood up for all of those people standing behind him. Call congress out for their lack of attendance, and the inability to do their job, effectively already and watch. It did. It was it was really good. You literally almost tear it was genuine like he really he really he likes doing, bro. You know, there's cancer stricken people sitting behind him and people with other. Well, you call them out is like these people, right? Here are dying suffering and say like that. But, you know they're suffering, like they, they're, they're hurting. And they made it here and you lazy bastards won't even come is show up for these people. You're not doing your job, your district genuine. I do because I have many my to do same thing before. That was I guarantee you anyone really salty today. Lima doesn't hundred. Hundred publican. No, no, it's not. It's not true. It's true. I just I like if you did. It's like it's like being like on super pro-gay during fried mutton. It's like it's a super easy thing to get behind. He's been doing. Unintended. Well, he's been doing this. The problems that he's been doing beginning. Wow. Like you serious. You're pro p nine eleven responding. Well, let me let you and I saw this is the time to do. I mean, they're having the hearing. But you don't understand like I'm not I'm not I'm not saying he's good thing. He's the one who started a lot of this. He's the one who went there and knocked on these doors. Nobody's paying attention. And again, like I said, I brought him my four and I never thought of in that I would have thought the same thing kind of as Leland until meeting him and seeing what he did, like for the sof community. He shows up to all the games and stuff like that. And he's, he's been underlying doing this for us for the same thing for cancer because we have such a huge rate of cancer, and he's fighting the same fights and he's going to congress saying the same things behind doors that you haven't heard of yet, I wouldn't have known until I sat in a room with him for something different that. You know, you get to see this kind of side of things, and he's over there beating on the doors not getting paid for it. He makes nothing off of this. This is literally him doing it with nobody no one half the time the only reason the only reason anybody knows about this really is because the cameras were there when he laid in these bashes and he never thought about it. It's a good thing. I really don't think genuine like a son of a bitch. That's about it. It's a good. It's a good thing into what you're saying I we're gonna visit genuine, it's a super like I said. Oh, wow. We, we all like, hey, how do you feel? I should treat our nine eleven. No, here's a here's a difference. No, no. Here's the difference. And this is because Leland was was it Ben and I were tumbles a candidate once we brought up about defending themselves. Yes. Like Candice Olin's defended herself, which I get like she was pretty blunt to the congress to and I loved it. He went on the tack in media. He's like, hey, thanks for bite me to the two that were there. Whatever it is, like, but and he goes just starts blasting. And it was just I don't know. It's a great video man. If you and this is all I have not seen it, I'm going to go watch it watch it, because you're going to see the way because there's so many times that I watch these frigging people sitting in front of congress. I'm like, why don't they just why aren't they real? Why aren't they say, like I don't think I could sit there and take. He did what every time you've ever watched. All these. Why aren't they unleashing he unleashed? And he did it. It's such a good fashion. Nobody can come back on, like they could be like Mr. Stewart. This is I'm congressman or congresswoman sales. They, they had nothing to say. There's like, yeah, we're assholes. I love you. I really did a good bag in place, you're supposed to be servants to the American people and. Western half you could be bothered to fucking shoot. What less than that? It was way less than that. I think there was like fifteen people maybe fifteen congress. I'm going to get the exact fucking discussed it wants. And that's what was said. And it wasn't just for him. Wasn't for him. He brought there was a lot like they didn't know there's a lot of nine eleven because I mean survivors there it's not like people who get what we don't review in leaving. But you're freaking me the fuck out. He's probably month in Lima loan. We've got a phone just really ever since Clinton. I'll just re irradiate my balls and Snoopy. Wait. Like in mice got. So now it was a good one. I mean it again. I see it's not like his career needs a boon one way or the other he's kinda done. Well, that's the hope is that he's, he's just doing this stuff. That's not he's not about to like be on the new tonight show or some shit. I'm not saying that vote for him for you know what I mean. Like, I think he has political and I'm not saying that I agree with him. Insane. It's easy to get behind. But I don't think he's doing it for any personal New Yorker with his like what the fuck everything we forget about these people man hates everything about me today, and I get the average American, that's probably more than the average. American is like trying to move on or life. They're a lot of like I have I'm having to explain this to the younger kids in my house, they leave legit. Don't understand nine eleven. It's not being taught. Well in school, and I go back to this real quick piece of, of ancient history. Now is in, I want people who blog generation, whether he wins or loses, please watch that. So that maybe other guys get balls. Do this kind of crow to the middle school that are elected to congress that are supposed to represent the people United States, just forgetting, who these fucking people are not bothering to show up dude twenty years ago. It would have been unheard of tonight show up for that, because it would have been such not because they give it fuck. But because it would have been such a bad political move. And now they know nobody cares. We're not gonna bucket it wrong. Now I got more important shit to do. Yeah. We can call video time now who got I got, I got Candice Lavoie. That's just such a low blow can, you know, you've got one what the fuck, you know, you got one vote, and it's not even fair. I'm just bringing it up because much much like Bensaid normally, he wouldn't bring up John Stewart. Normally I wouldn't bring up Kansas. She I feel like Kansas hate you. Comes at me cut every chance you gets. She doesn't do either, but, but goddamn, Magadan, I've only met her once if I'm telling you buy as a child of the seventies if somebody was doing that shouldn't a theater everybody been like you need to shut the fuck up relieve, and it just gradually. Never mind. You dad when it says Reggie leave the windows away dwindle the way until everybody's so frayed seeing thing and Candace was like shut the fuck up. Come on. I'm married to one of them due to. It's an angry. White woman thing happened sooner or later. I fucking I have I have respect, the first ten minutes. No, you you gotta fuck. And it's you gotta give it a chance. No ten minutes. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm ted. We're west goes, he shuts people down and ten minutes. I'll Shem I'll say something quick. Probably not gonna say, I want to get angry like, hey, shut up, but I'm saying whether she wins lose. I, I may not even vote that way. But it's definitely worth, and of yielded enough screen people, the ones that are texting definitely worth bringing up because I'm fucking proud of her. She Chris, she likes to just fine. No, she does is she just sees easy prey where she sees it. Let's see that low hanging fruit. All right. I got one more and I don't know if ours is going to be the same. All right. So you're gonna let me go to you. Go go ahead because shooter might kill you. Go ahead. Ryan Keith Cox, just the name, dammit. But I'm I'm gonna let you let me go, so I'm gonna let you let me go. No, I'm saying. For frigging. All right. Go ahead. Due to peak buying. I'm, I'm aware, I'm gonna tell you why Legos like Keith. So he was with the with the Virginia Beach shooting. We all so. In not in a bad way. So Keith is one of the people that helped lead people to safety. He he protected people you shielded people. He got people to save rooms he locked him in. He went out to help other people even when he knew it was going to be out of his life. Join the act of shooting, and then losing his life, as a case, you know, because of this. It's super weird man. So like. Definitely not about me. It's more. So this, this stuff happens. And a, you know, an even though it happened here, like our hometown, whereas born VB, thrown Virginia Beach is, is the biggest city in all of Virginia. So you still feel kind of disconnected from it. I just last week. So I would have said this guy. Heave. So his best friend went to my bible study. Wow. So does he was it was uniquely receive? Yeah. Do you really weird nickname what to do you know for them? No, you know for the next week or you know, this guy that I was good friends with, you know, to come in, and, you know, obviously he was very, very broken up about it would be able to speak with a lot of personal detail about what type of guy he was and how him sacrificing his life helps Avon there's, you know, didn't supplies him at all. You know, Keith with a pass or son, when one of the big things even in the news, I read, and then Ozzie hearing from my friend of my bible study who just how much that. Crisis emanated from his wife and how it didn't surprise him that he'd be willing to do this, and anybody that's willing to lay down their life, you know, for someone else or for brother of her stranger, and we definitely want a raise every time. But this is this, you know, it's not like it's close to home. It is, and plate do, like I said, it was crazy to me, just like I said, I couldn't believe, and I'm like, you know, make weird. I just couldn't believe it. The, the guy I knew was best friends with this guy who sacrificed himself to save other line and going back to it as I don't know that guy that that Leland. Those that's a friend of his just reading the story loans. I mean. It's evident. This guy was just self sacrificing like they never thought twice Connor stories like this guy, just kept going back and forth back forth, telling people to lock themselves on rhythm. Machen in go back save it. Pulling people out, getting them like he had a way out earlier. He could be would leave immediately right now. No issues like boom would have been live. But he went back not once multiple times. He put himself back in there. That's. I mean I can't I mean that was one of mine. I can't even like this. I'm gonna say right on this, my vote. Mine is well, I can't not two reasons one because what he did. And honestly, I mean local guy did good did amazing needs to be held up every time anybody like this. Please. This is what makes this part of my that I should say, my vote for Kansas. Right. But this, but this is what makes this part of this podcast does make me feel good. When I get to do something like this, I know it doesn't mean anything in the big picture things. But for my little world. Yeah, take taking a guy like this. Do you ain't got a hair on your ass crews? Now don't because I wax it. Jokes. Really? I don't lipstick. I might now overlooks that amazing got several circles. Kills. You know why lipstick it though? Because the grease. Splits. I got I just got to say Candice. I'm sorry, me once again, you almost had it. But you're you can blame your husband time. He had the of course, Keith Cox man. That's she minimus. Is this is this one earned ruling away? Honestly in this moment, he won't do it but man of the week. Keith Cox with that, man up making show. Gas. If you get a chance to be on your favorite podcast, you better fucking review it on Facebook motherfucker. Crock. You bad, actually. Whereas favorite. Yes, so much choice shows it all at one of his all one of his pockets, certainly when he listens to favor one. He's, he's been trying to leaks from the Steven Crowder, but he can't spell it. We love me, Sean. We missed you brother. So he Couldn't Spell. Still even. Oh. It's nobody knows. Forgot the wait for the delay.

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Why You're Not Having Sex

Death, Sex and Money

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Why You're Not Having Sex

"Before we get to this week's show I wanNA introduce you to a special guest and one of my favorite colleagues Chi right eye kyw you host a podcast called United States of anxiety here at wnyc studios. And I have to say that. Feels like the most apt podcast title. He's like every week. It feels like an apple podcasts title and then it keeps feeling more and more apt as the weeks. Go on tell me sister. So how would you describe what this show is about well? I guess it's two things one is that it just became clear to me in the course of making this show over the last four years of presidential politics that like how we all of us we being in black and white left and right how little we know about this idea of America that we feel so strongly about. You know it's ruined. It needs to be great again and never great but so few people really know the history and so we think that matters in our politics today. How ignorant we are about that history and so what we're doing is going back looking at the period following the civil war when we came up with all the things that you know that shaped what America is all all the ideas about equality and freedom and thinking about the things that were unresolved in that moment the debates. We didn't finish and how they show up in individuals lives today and then telling stories about that. Yeah that's what I love about this season that like I turn it on thinking. It's going to be a show about what I'm worried about in this moment in America and you're so reminding all of us that these are not new worries. These worries all her deep historical antecedents one of my favorite episodes so far. This season is about the school district in Marin County which is in the area where I live about segregation today in this school district and it's all of the historical reasons why the schools look like they do right now and how. That's affecting elementary school students today. Here in the area You're also asking your listeners. Right now in general what? They're worried about like. What are you hearing? Well we figured out. We started this podcast in the during Donald Trump's first campaign and it became very clear. How much just like our personal anxieties shape? Our politics again left right and center And so that's why we've called it the United States. That's why we're asking people what they're anxious about to try to get a sense and I mean it's the answers are epic. I keep saying I want to hear about things like in your personal life. But that's not where people are at people are concerned about civil war. He said they've concerned about like. I don't WanNa have a kid because of climate change the I mean there are mass. They're concerned about violence. There's a lot of people concerned about violence. So I've been taken by just the size of people's anxieties as they go into the polls this year and Kaya feel like right now. We're adding a whole other thing that people haven't been worried about which is like disease and contagion and our personal health and its relationship to our fellow residents and citizens. And that's why you and I. This week are going to be opening the phones to our listeners. And asking what are you worried about as it relates to the new corona virus of nineteen? We WanNa hear what you are anxious about how you are coping. How it's making us understand your relationship to other people in different ways. There's a lot to talk about so we're taking your calls live from three to four. Pm Eastern time this Friday. That's twelve to one. Pm Pacific and the number to call is eight four four seven four five eight to five. Five Kanai are going to be Co hosting this live Colin special. That will then play for you in our respective podcasts feeds and we will post on social media to as we are opening the phone lines again. That's three to four PM. Eastern twelve to one specific this Friday march thirteenth. Can't wait and do you know what our show is about. Today I do something a lot of us. Worry about and don't talk about a lot which is why we're not having sex something totally different covert nineteen. I know it's it's pretty. I guess. It is pretty timely. We asked our listeners. This question a few years back. And they gave us a whole slew of reasons. At the time and it became one of our favorite episodes. Ever so listen to it. And then look for the United States anxiety you can find it at. Wnyc DOT org slash anxiety. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Talk to you on Friday. Kyw Care Wait just Became easier not to have sex. You know just to keep the Peace Corps. This is sex and money. Don't bother you open your sex the show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot not had sex with my husband for years and needed to talk about war to sex a few months ago we got an email from a listener. I'll call Marie. I'm thirty four years old and I haven't dated anyone seriously. I've never even been kissed before anybody. Murray has also never had sex. I do still have that fear that somebody going to come somebody that I've never had sex before and they're going to walk away you know. Instead of scarlet letter a it would be a scarlet letter V not having sex server before or just right now can feel isolating. Maybe a little embarrassing but we suspected that Marinez not alone so a few weeks back. I asked you this question. Why are you not having sex right now? I'm not living because mend up attractive because my body is broken and it can't seem to be fixed and really terrified of now insulted for about fourteen years in the weird thing is that I'm okay with that would rather read a book than the intimate with him. We heard from people who they were having sex. I'M NOT HAVING SEX. Because like the old Barry manilow song the feelings gone. I don't know how to get it back. We haven't even slept in the same room in over seven years of sacked initiating. Kind of wait him out. And you've been stalemate we also heard from people who aren't having sex because they don't want to be. I'm all right with being single on sexless. I wasn't really liking the path where I was going kind of using sex and other people as a crutch in matter. What the reason sex. Especially when you're not having it can be so hard to talk about on my birthday. I brought it up and the huge fight. It says only we don't talk about it at all among your friends. Both of us have a significant amount of friends who are in like heterosexual relationships and it always seems like they're having way more sex that's Sarah she's been with girlfriend Claire for about two and a half years they ask that we not use their real names as did most people in this episode. I think we started out having way more sex and we do now. Yeah definitely teetered off. About how many months has been your longest stretch of of not having sex together to three months I would say which was. It's it was quite a you know a cliff dive compared to what we were doing before. Does it feel frustrating or does it feel okay when you have stretches of no sex? I have full and I think this is where we have differing views and I for me. You know if I'm not having sex after a certain point I'm like okay. Well I'm not having sex. That's fine and I think for their She's more on the mindset of. I WANT TO BE HAVING MORE SEX. Why are we not having sex and it becomes more of a stress factor so soon what are you what happens when you're feeling frustrated? I don't know I tend to kind of bottle. Everything up in just I keep it inside. And I you know like metaphorically I put a lot of things in my backpack and I just carry it around then it gets heavier and heavier and heavier and then it just comes to a point where I just explode and everything comes out at once well and I think this is definitely something that we don't know how to figure our way out of right now. I mean firm you when I'm feeling like we don't have that communication or when we are we're arguing. I don't WANNA have sex. I feel like this connected from her. And for me. That disconnect wins over the desire to have sex. When you're in a moment where Claire. You're not really feeling like having sex and Sarah. You'd really like to have sex. Do you do you touch or or does that create sort of a an impasse? Read don't really want to be close to each other I think when I WANNA have sex I kind of. I don't know like I do this. Being real just like run across the room and my jump on top of her and like you know start kissing her in coddling her and just like being kind of silly and sometimes you know when I do that. I don't get much of a reaction from her. She's just like I'm busy or I'm thinking or I'm doing something and then I'm just kind of down and just like you know. Roll over and go back to doing whatever I was doing before. Yes sometimes that happens or there's a mixed signal there's or Miss Vignal and I think there are times when it's very obvious about what she's going for but again it's like well. I don't know that jumping on me. Like a little kid does make me feel like hot. I'd prefer someone to make me feel like sexy versus silly. Does it sometimes feel like when you talk about your tensions around sex that makes attentions more difficult I think so. I don't I don't know I I like that. We put it out there. I I for me I think sex is A. It's a big part of our relationship and I don't know I miss it. You Miss I miss yeah. I don't really miss it. Cameron sent in this voice. My mouth from Saint Louis. I miss the intimacy which sex is an essential component of. But I don't miss sex removed from any of that context I Have dealt with chronic back pain issues since I was nineteen. I'm twenty seven now Sexist so physical some moment when you're deeply vulnerable in your physicality and you need to be present because somebody with a body and when you're in pain on kind of a minute to minute basis all you. WanNa do is forget that you have a body and you can't escape that during sex you can't escape your body during sex. That's something that Alan has also been thinking about lately. Why aren't you having sex right now? because I contracted per beast and Jim were you in a relationship with a person that you got her piece from no It was a casual friendship and somebody. I had known for short time but I trusted in just back prior to that. Had you been pretty regularly sexually active off and on I've had a couple of boyfriends and then I've gone through times when I like you know got like two years without having facts and wasn't a huge deal. Does it feel different this time. Yeah yeah feels really different. It feels like there's like something hanging over me like it's not just like oh not incisively. Somebody comes along and not not sure how to handle that situation. Because you'll have to talk about it. Oh yeah I almost can't get past like the the barrier of Dong somebody and having to deal with ential rejection. Have you had any flirtations since you found out about your diagnosis? Yeah and one in particular. We have a past history and like he's back in my life and we've been friendly But I can't imagine it would just be a friendship. And so there's that whole idea of like happen and then on top of that like what? How would I when I got out? I deal with this like keep thinking. Maybe he has it to be insecure. I dreams will come true and he has to. I'm never hoping herpes. I don't know I kind of find it. You're things JI. Han wrote in about how her body is affecting her sex life. She's black and lives in L. A. And she says she's not having sex because men just don't seem interested in her at least not any men that she'd want to be with I tend to attract Then who fetish is that? When she leaves the country everything changes she. I noticed it when she studied abroad. I was so not used to being approached by men that I didn't realize I was being passed out And I remember being like writing home for like friends and you guys I did ask that on dates like when I was a kid and It's really like a light comes on when I leave the country. Even I'm just going to Canada and like sort of turns off back it shows you. It's not you it's the culture in your country. Yeah just makes me feel like I don't have to feel terrible about myself. You know I can feel like I am still the same interesting person that wanted to date abroad. I just I can't find the same thing here and that's why like. I really love that episode of parks and REC. Where there I think it's a Venezuelan delegation. Comes to me and like all of them in the Venezuelan delegation. Like a really interested in Donna. And she goes. I'm not surprised I do very well. South America was just like yes. Yes yes finally. Somebody gets what I've been talking about coming up. Meet a man who has not one but two women in his life who's friends don't understand why he's not having sex. A lot of them are still single. you know. I guess that might have something to do with it this episode. I came out in two fifteen and over the years. We've gotten updates from some of the people who shared their stories with us. Sarah and Claire. The couple you heard at the beginning of the episode broke up a few years back. It wasn't because we weren't having sex. I think we were just not. I think I knew we were just wanted different things in in we're drifting apart and heading different ways that Sarah. She's since moved to another country and has dated several other people since she and clear that their I still have the belief that if you're not having sex something is is not going well and your relationship. Jeon let us know that. She isn't dating anyone right now. She tried the APPS again recently but didn't have any luck. I've traveled abroad for romance or dating. Since Twenty fifteen she wrote and I making a plan now to spend large chunks of the year out of the country and we heard from Ellen again the woman who told us about not having sex because she was diagnosed with herpes. Life is drastically better. She told us when she wrote. She was still having frequent outbreaks but was dating and had disclosed her sti to her partner. I'm totally having sex. She wrote having to be honest about herpes. Made it a lot easier to be honest about my feelings my preferences then in general how I express myself we did a whole episode about living with S. T. is last year. You can find that by texting sti to the number seven. Oh One oh one and we'll send you the link if you WANNA share your story about why you're not having sex or about anything else. Simpson email or record of waste memo and send it to us at death sex money at WNYC DOT ORG on the next episode. I am very stuck on the notion that just because something ends doesn't mean it's a failure. I talk about the beginning and end of a marriage within sinclair who co created the HBO Series High Maintenance with his now ex wife. Caccia Blake felt. Trust that I could take care of myself. I don't think I I don't think I got the the confidence that I could be an adult male. Who wasn't like that people weren't worried about until recently very recently even and I still struggle with not engaging in dependency this is death sex and money from WNYC. I'm ANA sale part of what can be so hard about not having sex when you WANNA be figuring out. How much is under your control? Mike Marie the thirty four year old virgin at the start of the episode. I've been like forget about it. I'm just GONNA go out and have a one night stand and just Kinda get rid of my virginity. She works as a therapist where she helps her. Clients change the things they can about themselves and accept what they can't change. Maurice tried to do both with her virginity. I think when I was much younger I I had this idea but now I would get a boyfriend and it would just just happened At other points in time I even thought about like it's Kinda propositioning a friend of mine so that I can say I've had sex with somebody. I'm not a virgin anymore. You know not this cross to bear any longer but when I thought about it I it wasn't that wasn't who I am. It's taken me a little while to kind of get to a place where I'm okay with that. So you're hearing from clients about the most intimate details of their lives including in some cases their sex lives. Yep How has that? How has being in this position where you get to hear People's Deepest Histories House that shaped the way you think of your own experience I listen with. I think it's probably a bit of fascination than other people probably would not have Because it's I. It just fascinates me sometimes the way how people are. There's definitely some jealousy. There has difficult part of their life that they are many of them are fully enjoying or so they're telling me I don't get enjoyed that part of it at this point in my life. You're curious I am. I definitely am. Do you think people assume that you have a ton of sex. Oh Yeah I think everything is like three some orgy heaven. I'm living in and nobody believes me. Mike Rodent from Michigan native happily married relationship that turned into a Try Out with a girlfriend at the time. We sleep tall next to each other every night. Dinner Together Unfortunately the relationship had a breakdown and sex. Is The the issue that we always seem to fight over? Suet see you and your wife and your girlfriend and when you opened up your marriage and brought this other woman into your relationship was it sexual. I was primarily a sexual reason. Well not so much for me. You know my wife. She enjoyed being with women so honestly when we started talking about it. You know I was excited and you know To to with the idea of being able to be with two women you know supposed to be the ideal fantasy for Guy. You know Well it started off that way Unfortunately you know it. It wants my wife and my girlfriends. They got in Argument and after that they refused me sexual with each other and then they became jealous of any encounters. We had it with me and my wife and me and my girlfriend To the point where they physical fight and like I say just became easier not to. How long has it been since you've had sex well I think maybe the Seen anywhere twenty first two thousand four scene. That was the thing anniversary of me. Meeting my wife and I think there was one other with with my girlfriends. So it's been about a year and a half in. Yeah Yeah do you Miss Sex. Sometimes but we because we. We've been doing this for so long that I don't even have the desire for. I feel like it's like Pavlovian. I touched the you know. I've got shot so many times. I feel like conditioned. Yeah have you ever thought about breaking up? It's hard because we made a life together. I mean they're moaning married couples out there right now. Who Do do not have sex anymore and they stay together because they have a life together. Just because there's three of us doesn't mean we don't have a life that this in a family I About eight months ago I broke out in singles and neither of them headed chicken pox and they were still there with rubber gloves and when we got him taking care of you yeah they do they take care of me and even though they're jealous of each other they love each other. You see the C. B. Every day at some devotion I mean. That's something that you know. I I still smile. Don't get me wrong. There's sometimes you know it's an issue We have you know the issue comes up but honestly I prefer to avoid we avoid the subject. It's it's just not even something you talk about anymore so when your sex life breaks down sometimes your communication goes with it but other times not doing it requires a lot of talking. I believe that sexist created to be used to qualify God in marriage. Vanessa's in her early twenties. She lives in Canada and she and her boyfriend have been together for about a year and a half. They're both Christians and both want to wait until marriage but it hasn't always been easy. We sometimes are like all right. We just need to step away from each other and even like not sitting on the couch like we'll just wave from Akash and do you find is one of you. The enforcer more often than the other you know I think that in relationships you would assume that the girl is more of the enforcer. But I think that it's really equal between us and that we are both we gotta take. Burns being the bad cop in a way because it is a difficult thing and when you love someone and you want to be with them and Like give to them as like a partner. Then it's difficult. It's difficult struggle because it's not just like oh I don't WanNa have sex before married. It's up like there's something that I wanna give you that I can't right now. How did you decide what level of intimacy was okay? It's been a journey through that and originally we talked and we had a super awkward conversation where laid out everything basically that could be appropriate and everything that wasn't and what I really appreciate about our relationship was that wasn't like a hard and fast rule but it's been a moving conversation since then and if we feel that something isn't working we're gonNA take it out. What is something that you've you've thought might be okay and then realized? Actually we need to tighten the boundaries on this Like sitting on his lap while we're making out like that's an issue that we've gone back and forth about maybe three or four times. What's your your current position on that I think currently or okay with it but Daphne got married when she was twenty eight and she also didn't have sex until after she was married but for her it wasn't for religious reasons. How long have you been with your husband? We been married about five and a half year so when you started dating your husband when you were when you were just beginning your relationship how did you talk about sex Well basically we didn't You know we did kind of full round but we never progressed intercourse He kind of tried to win and I told him I wasn't ready. And he never tried again and You know time just kind of progressed. And when did you have sex About five months ago so after about five years of marriage. What happened between when you got married? And when you had sex I would say a lot of crime. A lot of fighting a lot of therapy. Basically I was raised with a Sexual education that kind of revolved around the idea of just don't have any. I was raised with a lot of fierce surrounding pregnancy. Like if you get pregnant and you're not married it's going to ruin your life that kind of put a big block there and even though I in a relationship and wanted to there seemed to be a lot of kind of psychological effects and some physical effects that kind of made edge not happen when when you were married for I a year and then two years then three years and then four years without having sex did it feel like your marriage was ever in jeopardy. I definitely felt that way on my side I've I've just got those feelings with my husband and I. I don't believe he experienced it in that way but for me. I definitely was like if I if I don't fix this soon. He's GonNa get fed up and leave me. What have you learned from your therapy? Oh Man What's having learned really I think a large part of it really comes down to not just physical intimacy but real emotional intimacy with somebody because even when we do exercises from our therapist dealing with more physical aspects the root of it really came down to just building that sense of trust with each other that I think was finally able to lay the groundwork for it to happen. What was sex? Like it It was it was great my a my therapist. I kind of told us you know I feel like you go type. A lot of momentum so go hung this week. Try. If like don't don't worry about having orgasms. Don't worry about being mindblowing. Fax just try insertion and When we were in bed and I was about to try very conscious moment of fear and like Oh God. Am I really about to do this in my really ready and then another side of me was like hell? You're ready like stock wearing analyzing about being ready and do it already so I did and it was. It was fun and I would say. I was actually surprised by how not shaken by. It was definitely a load of has having sex made you experience desire in more intense way I would say yeah which I think sometimes maybe takes my husband back a little bit. He's a little shy So I think me all of a sudden being very interested in facts and pursuing him can sometimes feel a little shocking for him. Maybe we kind of had a laugh about it in those first few weeks after we finally did it I was really starting with him a lot. One night he came home. And I jokingly push against the wall and kind of melodramatically ripped his like the top button. His shirt came off and flew across the room. And he he was just like Whoa. You know so then. You're back on the merry go round of. Oh I rejected and oh no. I wasn't rejecting you. I and you know it'd be chickens. Yes you bounce back from those things pastors yeah? That's the story of many many a marriage right there added. That's a listener recalled Daphne. 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The Sneaker Box  Episode 83

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The Sneaker Box Episode 83

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. visit www dot pastor, troy dot com before information. Was that with up Detroit definitely in the building via headphones speakers of course, this is your main man, the African Caesar and we've got a full house minus guru though. His beard lifts through. Yes. gothic attorney and other shows you just heard Gino. got. Mr By topic himself with some bad news, I'm going to include today chefs and shut up man a very valued member of the. So my that's what we need. We don't need. We don't need bought TOPIX shirts. We need a bought topic belt for him. But champion. Funny thing is like we columnist locked him as prime. Bader's look a meal like I. I'm not that successfully I don't want. To you you welcome I, put that right up there for. Slam talk. I wanted to you guys working with working with as far as well. Women? No. Yeah. Oh, I went. Oh I win A. Will you Gino. I mean she cool. Now. I win she called People's are win. She put sugar on grit. So rockwater off. and. We got Francis on the show. We need us. Now. It's a rare occasion for me. Had, a, friend on the show because we never he never shows up, he's almost like a UNICOR. That's what I'm saying either go crazy in a bill. And I appreciate it because you know he goes off to War I'm a try not to. Say That means really will now he's he's a bigwig now so. He is famous. Now nobody JV's just well I. Mean I mean in comparison all of us in his Rome. Seizes like he can't compete was he's he's like God he office with Windows now on my resume says, I, know, Caesar, it's A. I was thinking about getting Tattoo on some somewhere on the. F. O. C. Friend of. season. They don't pay. I actually put this bullshit on my Lincoln and when you click the link, everyone's pictures on it but minds. We do need to the pitcher on the website, which is up there. I'm not even near still I know. Yes Fort Lauderdale Jesus. I WANNA wow. Yeah we. Need to update must be a picture from from the Basement Ajay's now. It was in that that purgatory between the basement and now so. with. That, was referred to that time period. certain moments check this out. I just got an email and we're gonna read. Live Straight from Warren regarding his whole pige. Locked up again. What's your password? Password you want you can figure it out five five one. Two. Three is that the only person who can hack my stock x now you get There it is. So of course, we're going to off five stuff later but this is kind of breaking news. You just got this win like an hour ago not even ten minutes. Okay. Ten minutes ago. Okay So we've been talking. About the Warren loaded situation with Nike and Nike slowing the shit out of. Whatever and I I. This do. Operates with the level of. Man. The level of a first grader self awareness that he lags I got. That arrogance. Almost arrogant like he lives in a different tap it so it doesn't like. To let he lives in like an alternate. He lives an alternate reality is released like tap before locks out too. So is this like slam? Dunk Oh, my God. he lives in alternate reality. anyways, his first pair shipped out. We already got him the Heinekens the ship out. There are bad quality people are pissed. UC's are still in use Roosevelt. Yet but Stasi's are still in question we don't know but this emails in regard to the one. Nike will not allow him to ship and he's basically saying you could have my new trash shoe that's worse than anything or refund designed. Is a cushion were LX but let's read this located in disguise. This this email to got says, dear, load of customer at you. As, you may have heard deer dunks, one of his best customers at this point. As you may have heard, Nike is challenge the war loaded signature sneaker isn't that a signature sneaker if you stole it was. Not even like insult not even fully into the I. Knew you and make it. Yes. The Warren loaded signature sneaker. You kidding me right now. Anyway Nike is crushing small businesses right now. Good. KNOBBLY depending loss. With the penny only I just want him to get. Warren. Loaders because this dude is just I just need him taken down a peg. Anyway nuttiest challenge the Warren loaded signature sneaker with a pending lawsuit with James Claims that we are infringing apart of the trademarks. Literally. What Gatien's. Hasn't been proven. Doesn't fit. My hair her. So Barry now, we're not even meetings in he's innocent until proven guilty exactly allegations. Watch Adidas Higher. I, call now. That will be funny. Oh. Okay. Let's do it with claims that we're a fringe upon the trademarks sausages we intended for the sneakers which were not collaboration with Nike to pay homage to a streetwear classic and its impact on our world. We never intended to cause confusion and do not believe we did know. REMAI- mind you may some you you literally vanilla ice the pigeon dunks. He'd be as one little part eyeball. Yes. Now is so different as and got a blessing. From A. Jeff. I hope it was worth of by the way. He still hasn't anything out about it. I wouldn't. Would not stay quiet as. Apologize immediately with that one or shut the hell up and keep an. Gives you know about that? What how? He showed up to be return like Slam down. was that plays attach come. You he just sat there like in front of the door Ozama today let them in. I could see him sitting in front of a Mar Parkas off as the now. Now, never shy give more a lot of style much credit to compare them it. Steve Strange. No. They live in a different reality than we do. we never intended to cause confusion do not believe we did. pivoting and moments like these often define a brand. We try to reach an early resolution with Nike and basically comply with everything the opposing party wanted. But we believe they're making unnecessary demands in order to publicly shameless intimidate other small businesses from exercising the clue creative freedom. There was nothing of what you did. What are you talking about? He creates greater. God He didn't do anything. I. Use You know what I'm GonNa do I swear to. Worldstar. Exist I'M GONNA come out to. I'm, GONNA come out with the taxi twelve and a little tad whereas jumped manage is GonNa say Caesar is this is this a new this? Visit exclusiveness it I know. The totally different you. Think colorblind San. Design New Little feature guy and it's only going to be available in big sizes. Oh. I. kind of again. All. You people who wear a size thirteen. Fury adding that this do is sitting here at the like Nike has no no reason to be upset. He's creative autism. Whatever whether you like or dislike the shoes in question? We believe the outcome of this situation well, affect our artist and small brands. Envy's. Jesus. With this. Yes with this, we believe they're trying to create a legal template to instantly down the brands from using color functional and run of the mill design elements look at it closely. Okay. First of all, there is is. Trying to create a legal template. Yeah. That's what lawsuits are may for. That's what trademarks are made for. That's what Copyright Somme for. Those are all legal temperatures to protect somebody's creative intellectual properties. Here's A. Here's a we posted it on the system ground. Let's see. No. I hear about this. Surprise. Opera having Frisbee dunks his phone. I'm. Throwing out this window for the love sneakers. But all this aside, and the fact that he handles the email wrong and then he tries to defend himself. The ultimatum is if you don't want a refund, we'll give you this brand new show I designed. Get this do I'm telling he's the Kwamakhutha I what does that look like? It's not bad. I. Think my first thought is it's trash but Francis says it does. At least focus on more unique features related to his brand I, guess the only I guess caveats all which color way. But not how was how much were the the shoes I gotta check but I WANNA say to fifty th that replacement shoe is not is not a two hundred, fifty dollars shoe. I, we didn't get that far I want the refund. Smartest thing you ever said on the show. Okay. So continue on with his email. Our answer to this is the Warren loaders reaper aground option silhouette that was indebted to release on Black Friday but due to unforeseen circumstances who did not see this. Just able or Lotus. The two people in America I was telling People Never Watch people by this and sell the copyright infringement pack case I make it out and once pulled price would go up but we didn't even make it that far I can tell you right now if you if you WanNa dunks if you wanna you WanNa, really make the money right now. By Bunch of graphics, cards all by a bunch of fake pigeons, but I can't sell fakes. That's more legal code. Gino the way you hook resellers is how I look you know Gino. By them. You. Want to buy a bunch of fake pigeons ripped switch off and put a fucking. I. That point it's like you're tricking the buyer isn't that what he was doing to begin with? I mean I guess you know they're not. You know they're not the Pigeon Don you whip at you know. Exactly you know we. But you get mom and dad that Cedar Son on stock x looking at the pigeon dunk and they see that for sale say, Oh, this looks just like it. I'm GONNA get little johnny sue you are going way too far you get the fucking Asshole youtuber shoots Hubert desk gotta get content up I have fucking infringement pack. So met Dickhead for fucking two thousand pop. I wasn't sure. We just had this conversation go. We were talking about Ebay authenticating shoes and we were. Supposed to be free, they just announced well, there will be coming in the new no shit worse the my goal authentic your shift for free I wouldn't know But no, we were just talking about last week ebay dating shoes. You wouldn. linoleum authenticating shoes would not and we were talking about there are people out there who don't know any better they see something. Like a fake I agree they don't know better, but I feel like with with the Warren Lotus no one. I was under the impression. No one's actually buying it thinking it really is the twenty thousand would agree to probably a large segment of people saying like differently to the Air Koi K. whatever. You know you can look at it as a thunderbolt. Okay. Obviously there's different colors something different colors something different than obvious Jordan what or like this is like literally that you posted. On My the air, Johnson's that that was disturbing. Yes. This issue. I mean they has everything and he cooperates with adjacent masculine or some switch it made sense for the Jason Color? Way. On the Heineken seduces the page you made. No I will say this though you know that video that was online of someone just scroll through stock x with those sock Jake. He's my Homey who actually just started a sneaker podcast I tag doing. So, he's actually selling legit socks and You should go check them out there dope. Would you did that? When he did that and he's ruled by the what the don't with the Warren Lotus I was like I'd probably buy that. If they put on a pair of diarrhea Yo anyway Anyway You bought those what do you mean the shoe was attended to release on Black Friday but due to unforeseen circumstances, we're releasing it to you I. This is a unique in exclusive warren loaded sneaker Nike made in partnership with Mike. You're any other floor company the shoe replaced the Bracha leany those just something he uses those sneakers he he just used that name to throw bots off but then it was a which made no sense because this just feeding a sheet saying Oh we don't want you can't use keywords. We're GONNA do some crazy name, but then it was just an open forum for fifteen minutes a- preorder. Limited. So. which would never be delivered you will be receiving a commemorative or this dude is a dick. You will be receiving a commemorative lawsuits shirt. Pencil and bumper sticker in addition to your reapers. Fun of Nike in his. Young Landau lesson. This lawsuit eight enough we got to break the MIES. Rigging, legs, you're not walking for two weeks. That is ridiculous. You're not cashing any the reapers. Not One I mean. Do you want one I might let think about it. If you're having all my orders size eleven for the most part. Yeah. If you're happy with like some people just need a good as the world is as good as seriously I'm I think a lot of the world problems being humbled is good sometimes. Most of the world's problems comes from a lack of just good as to being handed out when people were young enough to catch those lessons and then they become dues bags. When they get older, you know because they haven't dealt with the consequences of repercussions of their actions of words and we're unloaded is definitely want people if you're happy with the substitution do nothing. You'll receive the same size you ordered. Initially, if you like a refund, please email support dot com I guarantee you after. Even after the show I got out a whole bunch. This is getting bombarded with emails. Deliver like. That's the thing he never even says, thank you. Should begin with. Thank you for being a loyal customer. We agree for your unconditional support. Warren load shallow. He knew he was human thinking more shit. I. Always, wanted to get to shoot just think lawsuit t shirt he. Might want I mean at least big baller brand actually since shit out the eventually. When want to add that partner their own three hundred. Three. Hundred dollars slides. Plaster know. He makes big baller brand like the most well run organization and business history. They weren't and made a lot of money man gotta stole them. They didn't make a lot of money. At. Something I want a little bit. I don't have. Time I don't have a ton of news tonight or Tana Resell News what's out here now? This breaking news we got the MOCHA's come in or or the milk is already came out. Of course this again but it's GonNa be interesting to see because all foot sites foot locker champs East Bay They're incorporating data dome into their websites, which is a new bought protection, and we might even be seeing cap show, which is where you have to like solve images like click the car when trying to cart for footlocker. So we just added a whole another layer of complication even though their goal is to stop baders and stuff, it's making it harder for the manual users to. I mean I I wish there was some way for. Particular Nike because I don't know if his bottle what I know for a fact that eliminating product, which is furious because they're trying to manipulate the man because it it this seems to be idea that the more limited shit is the more coveted. It is higher demand. It is the more valuable it is and that somehow as some type of intrinsic value to their product going forward and might do if you continually piss off your consumer base. At some point they might not do it today this week when maybe even this year at some point, they're going to get tired of catching those ales and they're gonNA move on either for sneakers or just no move onto another brand. I'm considering buying a one dunks fake Warren Law does because I just took somebody else's pissed off. Me Because. It's getting ridiculous now and I hit three of the Chicago dunks today already have hitting on that. That is a very nice news. Here's the thing though like this, the idea of the. Kyri mom pack everyone slept on it. Those were sitting for like fifteen minutes USC SNEAKER GUS on. I copped all of them. You probably only one with him you. Know. His. Here's the thing about. The whole limited shoes or whatnot shoes they've never made enough for demand. Throughout the history of snakes after this mom pack. Yes. History is one of one. Throughout the history because it's always been the issue that's even in the nineties, we will getting shot and killed overshoes. Because, it was not enough to go around or whatever people just didn't feel like spending their own money I'm. Back So. I ain't gonNA disagree. Drinking. Shoe. So the show could even got today off and. Wanted to go rob somebody right now. As the White House shoes not being readily available for everyone not a new thing I do feel like it's gotten to exaggerate a point where it's like, okay. Enough is enough like this making. Twenty thousand pairs when you know you got half a million people want his shoes just ridiculous and then you know now you're gonNA leave it up to the resell community to like for us to get the shoot. I got to spend a thousand dollars for a shoot at retail for one sixty straight. I'll go I've got past the point now where it's like, I, don't even care if I miss out on the shoe I don't even check the reason why I don't even look the last show I actually look forward A. Banner ships but that was some special unique outside of that I'm not tripper. And that is exactly how you feel no no, it's the same way. Those bottom like a big bottle bills more. Good It absolutely does I know right like. Mad about what is called what is car? I wouldn't wanNA drink that those. Good. Karma GonNA, come back up probiotic water. And and on this topic. But I'm the topic of a sneaker being limited or not like I was just going through old collection whatever whatever I had some pe- ride twos at I haven't really rocked a home. We saw him he wanted them right. So I to them for a good cost. I was happy to see he was excited over a sneaker that was I stutter like ten years. Old Right but the point is there's barely any twos producer like I got some free Rod, the hybrids, there's only two hundred and fifty them ever made right but there's just no hype people won't buy them where it's like these off whites there's probably fifty, sixty thousand they're still fetching over thousand. That's what I was getting before I dropped my pepe Waddell was there was. So the the last thing actually like tried for, it would have been the fragment threes. And there's more of those I thought. That's so there there is a lot more of those people originally thought I entered twenty six raffles at in hit a single one of them. I didn't I didn't hit any of those. Crazy and not just the shoes clothing who the fuck is. The stupid. The cadence I entered for the cadence, a Hoodie and sweatpants to six times on different plants over. Here's what people. You guys are going to attack me, but like the caters, for example, no one really likes the CADENCE, right? No, but it's fragment. So say Gopher get it fucking sell it and use your profit to justify paying resell in the show you just miss. I. Wanted To. Talk. With the listener today that makes sense the was was that doesn't have to be a full blown reseller. That's just A lot of people? Expressed, by does not necessarily represent the. Sequence radio show or anyone else. That's gold. That is. Actually. This is a question to you. If if you're not on stock act if you're not on goat, if you're not trying to be a fulltime reseller, you just enter sneakers that you don't really care about knowing you're going to sell them and you're gonNA use that money to pay reese on what you Miss Strictly and only are you justifying means or are you still reseller? Those question. I know it I think I'm curious if you guys. Know you know you get to go home I've been away since five am you're going to repeat all that? Point I understand his point I. Don't think been literally us to the little definition of resell and all of a sudden the gray area. No not me. I'm saying people in General Bill Clinton. Take, can you define the word is? Could you define the word sex? No could you define the word re-sale? Yes. We've. Chino's following I didn't. Make profits off those shoes that you. Know I hear what you're saying and I'm saying like. You're still a reseller. That but I'm saying like. If you buy with the is all about intent exactly. If you buy what the attention of not keeping it and to flip it, you are then reselling now. Now. Is Do you realize that's pretty much like seventy five percent of the community, and that is the most part and that's what they don't identify as resellers. Should still doing mopping like even if I were to do it, I'd call myself. I'm agreeing with you guys. I'm just trying to like speak my thoughts and to that like the cadence I. Actually Kinda liked because I was slipping on beating around but now I am literally enter every going for every shoe on sneakers justice eve I hit it yeah. The Skeleton Air Force ones I couldn't care less about I try scientific. Know Jesus I'm the. I'm stop why I'm not even getting notifications. Yeah. I'm not even get a notification sneakers anymore that I'm not getting stuff I just get like I just don't get charged and just go on like they're not even a reason to go ahead and share knowledge anyone who's listening you have bad luck on sneakers up. If you haven't hidden six months, delete your account, make a fresh account, use the same phone number new accounts every now, and then if you haven't hit, there's analytical data it will work have you still have bad luck use apple pay if that doesn't work use paypal but either those your chances are hiring us both apple pay power still. You someone asked me what was the last type thing I hit on in the last thing I hit on period last hype thing saying know air quotes Travis got sixes. Last summer. Very. Last thing I hit stacey slides see I try the hardest for dunks but they're the hardest because it skate shops and they're mostly in person no. So it's like I'll go hard on yeezy Jordan's and footlocker Nike like what I enjoy for myself going for the roches. All the. Shadow premier essentially like my shot around. The hell will premiere because I've never hit on. Because I. Remember when I started this podcast, they sent me emails from Mary. Show. And, and now was the beginning of the end. Using opinions expressed but you know premiers one of the Shah I'll say premiers one of those stores that. Like stuck to the roots and not try to adapt they've just been doing their own thing since day one. The. They've moved location, but it's so you know they've been around for a long time for a reason. No, but I was going to get back to what you said about the sneakers. There's definitely some analytics behind the leg. If you are constantly somebody, I was videos I was told by somebody like I was told by somebody. that. Basically, if I don't have the intention of buying a particular issue. To like vitamin, cancel it to show no, not even that you know how you can. You can get notified for particular releases. If you don't have an attention on buying a particular shoe. A. Notify. That counts against you too. So if you like pick notified within like you either forget to go after them or you don't go after them a counts as a loss against you and so those losses count against you that's fucked up. I would say any activity in general. Oh, boost your chances like it's been proven. Videos if you exclusive access, we've joked about it before but have two accounts have to devices have one have one male have one female because you'll get exclusive access to different things. Go. I don't WanNA get too far. But what she said about the same year like I will say though like premieres a legitimate or like. I remember I will say that and leave it there. But there are a legit I let him to go caught the cheech and Chong's on the wolf the Wolf Gray fives the same day that was like my greatest one of my first memories with them back in Lake. Never, hit on them so fuck them in there was. Legitimate store. I hit I, hit every now and then but it's in person so I gotta make the drive but it's worth it. In person in his always worth the drive I'm like slander them to almost sneakers. Mostly because like I'm not losing to like some kind of back door type of side I finally hit plus. For plus I hit plus for what do you like? I came back. Are you taking? Control you. And every time I strike out on plus a thousand percent because they backdoor them. Well, I've only hit plus once one time recently sensitivity highs which I'm still furious about because I camped out for the tiffany highs woke morning slept through the Red October shocked up. I remember the story it's like everyone knows where they were. One away and it became angry and jaded everyone knows where they were. Got Shot Right US everyone knows where they were when the. Nut Sector at the time I was in a McDonald's parking lot. I'm sorry. Did did you just compare? The assassination of united. States president. Just roll it to his sneaker. Just do it now just roll it now I don't know what you're talking about. Oh. No, but I do oh, you're familiar with the Red October is no, it's yes it's the most comparable sneaker dropped JFK and it's been made multiple. No no no what he's saying is not no, there is no comparison. Everyone knows where they were when it happened is the analogy that. No No. No. We need to know that I don't even know I. don't even know how to disclaim that one. Speaker heads, and it's come up and the analogy I wouldn't use a assess. Eleven remember where you Do you. Stop now, digging up these are common horses shoveled down. That shouldn't be said that's when we're saying there are no comparison between those. We're not saying that we're saying get. On the events is comparison and remembering where you were when the event. So that is a horrible analogy you don't. Remember where I was when Michael Michael. Jackson Moonwalk. Comparable. That's Pop Culture Event I will not a national tragedy I'm sure she's TAP dancing Christ. You've managed to Piss Day. Every week doesn't. WanNa relevant tangents I wanted to bring. We Love You folks. Every episode I do vaguely remember I think I compared the galaxy drop to nine eleven the Vietnam. Vietnam. Israel said something a lot of. Those sneakers. Just. Fairly every. Year old. Terrible reviews about racism and ignorance where I'm just repeating common talk Nike Talk I. Know You guys have heard this before? I understand he hasn't I haven't actually I I'd never heard about it. Okay. All right. You'RE GONNA. Really set you off compared to win blue. Blazer fell. Which is, Oh, everyone knows where they were glazes. Another like historic event everyone would say. WHO was his character I know but I'm designing I mean because he's a fan I'm gonNA. Lube laser. You're talking about our heart Oh in his character. Remember where you were when the I want heartfelt from the rafters. No. Another analogy fan. These are all. Getting. Fans a Bolo. I used to like wrestling back in the idea too. Well, you said, Blue Blazer I mean if you gave me a chance to think about our say, oh, her out the jump because then there would be no okay dunks which I look at us as high energy stop doing. The. Ship. For doesn't that make me? Well that's. I didn't say that. that. Doesn't flash FUNK. I'm saying you got a supreme shovel. You just dig right actually. Raise flash was the first version of the Godfather. came. Guy Is not because he came out with hose though became came out just like a pimp with hose. This is true. This is true that just sounds like a wrestler walked out the bathroom by accident one time with all these bitches. GimMe, and then what happened Scorpio or too cold or what I was actually before Flash funk. Reinventing them. So loss right now, it is the most useless tally. What's going on right now? We had we had to take off a ono speaking of. While I remember I saw post about archer I haven't watched episodes yet. Do not tell me. I'm. GonNa be mad if it is what I think it is See now I feel okay. So much anticipation. I'm going into this episode with Anyway Fairfax League releases from previous League number five, even play the drop don't even do it. Okay. Five We have we got the drops. Seven. We got to. Number five we. All Know someone just ask still have. Somebody else to all of them. Yes. The, fat. When I listened to it was like an echo. That's why I said implant. Interesting. Why there. Might be a loop back with the sound effects drops. Dave got this he'll fix number five we have the run DMC, special additional data superstar Gemini today I been waiting all year for this show. I don't know why they're supposed to release earlier this year and then. It looks like it got pushed back. but the finally released. Or they finally released. To Classic Fourth Wall. Definitely, a classic, definitely classic and like I said the story now. Once again, I think it needs to the job storytelling as far as promoting. Because all they did was basically show you a picture and we all we kind of put. Hear more about it. That's what I'm saying like we kind of put the story together ourselves because most of us either know about it or live through it you know run DMC in the heyday back in the eighties how they push the superstar this on my adidas other shit. So I, detail brands like obvious home runs, they don't even take the. Effort to look brand you're talking about the all the brands now doesn't do it, but in particular this because that would have been really big for them. The really big I would have played up on that. I would even have you know running DMZ Yeah our even have them. You know doing some Promo. Pictures or something I I would have they would have been a lot of build instagram post even with like a vintage some. Yeah. But but didn't they didn't they drop like apparel for that back when the DITA's tracksuits were hot. Thing. So Those are anymore. Is. News to me. I mean if you about sixty five and got a rolex on. I guess it's not. accept. The there's there's a lot of people. So I will say this, there are a lot of people that are still very much about the tracksuit life. Not all of them are Russian Mafia. Da. I will say, this is all about the tracksuit. Show Strip clubs from tracksuit pants. And this? Battery. This I levels. Hit me up this lease the. Topic conversation I've been wanting to have the I think So no Monday minutes sweatpants editor. It was good to have you back presents. A. Careful sweatpants had a strip club though because there's no right away. That's the point. Exactly. Oh. Okay. Bitch no I'm here I get the most out of this. Man. They once again, views. Expressed by Francis Or. Of No. We need that address this recording? well, I don't say Oh this made me up to the topic of like youtubers. Because I, think the Monday ms though the talking about it, he weren't talking about stripper SFJAZZ. Is Really Good Slam Dunk Demi much I thought. Take this you out this box jazz. The why I'm I'll you the one that gets eggs messages but no Jessica even made an article on. Devon. Isn't that a girl that saying gotta be owing those death-ray sorry there was. Like. This point. I've got a couple of my head on his rump. this feeling every time throws. Somebody has the bell. Oh Man. Anyway, this is the topic of user was how brands have gotten lazy not because the blog with youtubers I've done the content creation for them. You know we've done the storyteller for them. Why does that make them lazy because not enough sorry. You can do. You can do my work for me and I don't even have to pay you. Thank you. That's a huge chunk of a budget that they no longer. I don't need a thirty person marketing department. I need three to watch what's out there and they go. Hey, can we shit cool. Awesome. Click share not even just like I'm GonNa send you a shoe do Jalil a video about it and that's usually That's usually what happens. They send you the product we posted on social media remake video about. Hit? Ho Ho did you see how you said we? Did. Did you see how you said we might only one they're caught the we Added meaning like that with. Gene thank you for paying attention. Yeah I a more Well, no. They we subtle bit They that's what they do on in this frustrating because once again, you think about the band Mike Intel you that story Marvin and some other people told you about that. You know so. It is a little frustrating when you see something like this, this dope, you know. Obviously when I got excited. In and with a lot of others. Into wash them absolutely do nothing around. When you know there's so much to be done that they could have done it just feels like missed opportunities. I want to ask a question on on the subject of storytelling I want Frances Opinion I. Does, any brand including sect of Nike or Jordan do a better job than espy when it comes to storytelling? Currently are ever ever? No. Think I. Think I. Agree with you I expect you guys to at least think about it. Because there was a period of time where like it was hit or miss but they at least are innovative with their concepts like. Production or whatever we're calling a Nike. Basketball used to be comparable. And really yeah. Yeah they used to be comparable or. Is it because I don't watch. I. Color ways not even just not even just thank you as well as colors representing a team perhaps no. Just the fact that they do live before color represents that one in a game. I heard he had a colder some sense before before you will buy shoot. Oh. So don't even try like to wells you wouldn't flip it. I would before Jordan. Before during Ram vk share you. Before I joined became a brand and a lot of other stuff. I did a better job. You know you knew all the different things behind the griffey shoes new other things behind these Jordan. Oh I did they did a better job of kind of giving you some insight into those things? As you can see, I'm selling some of this is eleven dunker if he's just one. One Christmas is coming up. One. Of those PS. Five. Christmas. I. I. Get Chinese food in a movie I fucked. Tradition to always order Chinese well, you're not going to do that discouragement now right? Why? Why are movie theaters back open different in a different thing? Aren't you They are for five we'll be in a different store. To Going to be a part of health and Human Services released. Guidelines. I think they have the drive through or the driving. Places or opening drive Nike basketball. You still get you think Nike just overall used to Nike Sportswear Ninety nine now Nike has be did a great job especially with the collapse because of collapse did a lot of storytelling got even without the collapse. Great you'll. Yeah you're right. I think they did a great job I mean I I say consistently yes, Nike SB. Probably, when you think of storytelling may are at the top if not near the top they were. Who is now I? Don't think anybody else nobody. Down Story. I kind of feel like some of the best our toll was the lottery told us. From time time like a acs or your door will come through with some. Familiar. Catch. My attention, I just don't pay eight, eight six. I might be able to give you that as especially for a while right the last couple of years I'm. To slow but previous like the last two or three years leading up to this I think they did a great job of storytelling with the different designs in the different color ways and a lot of their collaborations. One not a sense. You know I wasn't just like, Hey, you're a celebrity do. Yeah. You know lazy to me. Is just the thing that and it's funny because you know talking to somebody from Maggie like you know they. was that when you're designing your air sees yes. My. You've been listening. He's actually every episode. Shang little tidbits of the features on the sneaker. Wow. Comes over. To. Another episode of Boxes Together. Warren. I didn't do anything for change one part of that show But now my day was saying like you know you see like Chris Brown posting you know he's bitching about why he hasn't gotten collaboration You starting to see more people complain about why they're not able to do this whatever different brands the brands are created this title because if you just handed to celebrities. Yeah. Chris. Brown we'll be like, wait a minute. You all did a but dumb no, you WanNa do on me I. Some records I'm bigger. I got a bigger than you know what I'm saying is there's it seems like the only litmus test to get in collaboration is follower count celebrity status whatever. So of course, crocs is nobody hears of all I'm saying they're following exactly what you're saying. How did you become an influence her? Out of. Not. Not Isn't it follower count. I don't follow you know but people are watching your follower count. All brands. Okay. I'll go ahead and say is a following compared to you. Yes but like we're, we're all. fucking peasants compared to like jump man. Yeah because you would think that's my point like you would think. I I don't know I. Don't know how I met some of these people, but is the thing. At the end of the day, the brands I've created a monster win, you seem at hand I'll collaborations simply based on name following status, of course, other people with name status and followings are gonNA come up to you like, Hey, what's up what about me and then when you say no. They get mad. Why? Because they used to you and other brands had enough shit giving them opportunities that they didn't necessarily deserve outside of having. But what I'm going, I'm going to pass this and I'm not even just saying you. I'm just trying to pick like. You know like you look at some of the again the influencers why they get seat certain pairs yes. Again, like you said, it's about follower account. So the same goals will you tell us on different? But I'm just talking about why the why the brands do that. That's type of people that they're looking for. They're looking for people who have low. Trying to cast a wide mess, you WanNa hit the most people that you can. Right? That's what I'm saying just the world in general has created that type of market right now, the problem with that is is people at a certain point and other being so too. So case in point Some things just don't make no sense I remember. Uh, is this some collab- with I can't remember unarmored trying to collaborate with his rocky or somebody they did and it looked like the skate. The yeah, the. Things just don't, and that's an example what I'm talking about I wasn't warned load is move first of all, just because he's a famous president has mean he's a he's a designer to the collaboration. Absolutely no sense because outside of the collaboration, we all know he's not wearing under armor. So certain things may not sound like I come out Oliver. It'll be like doing collaboration will boost the I like my men and got a name based off a wearing your competition, and then all of a sudden wearing shit because you just because you gave them a check on collaboration. People know that people see through. Those anywhere in their shit now just because the thing who isn't loose guidemap Scott Anymore. Unless. I I've I mean he's cool I. Mean I talk to him say I didn't tell you. Guys Really. Yeah So we found one thing during show their for instance. Right I'll say I can't knock a good hustle. Got Merchants stuff. Yeah I mean it was I mean every time as says I mean everybody was doing I mean if you Don't have a problem people trying to capitalize on their platform if you've gotTA follow any agree. Coming soon yes, you're ready. We're trying to do it but anyway, like it just I'm just saying that these brands you know like they wonder why all of a sudden they gotta deal with Dray Takeshita bottom Chris Brown can shoot a bottle on his other Drei Drake Drake hear me out that if I was Chris Brown and J Galvin get a shoe I would make a phone call ya almost definitely. But here's the thing who within if I'm Makita designs and I'm like yeah thank. Chris Brown yeah. He's like, no one's out here checking for the air on saying. Speed Drake did you see the story that's been floor on facebook the last couple of days above everybody hate non drake but his what because he puts raisins in his macaroni and cheese. Oh see you can't listen to them that some candidate. Roy And that's A. Most explainable. No No. No. I just had low expectations from jump. Like how does that work Leno hoods and Amazon Gannett Jewish to. Lease Rice pudding like I never understood. I never. I never a hold up cue said that a little louder I like rice footed. I'm. Not. I'm. Not. Attacked me last episode. In cold cinnamon whipped cream off. Oh. Yes. Notices the lighter shade of the. to Table Santa Dude I'm whiter than Barry manilow eating spoonful a man as while listening to Barry manilow records. And I'm saying held. Business, that doesn't even. Right now. Prelates go. Ahead sets off. Of. Restaurants yourself the DRAKO. Candidate I never understood how even got away with it being Gangsta Shit talking he started his career cripple actor. He came back from her hand I. Say This you probably right. There probably aren't any WHO's in Canada. Every. Major is in Canada every major metropolis whereas there's a ghetto. So Toronto being the major cities on the they'll swear that the underprivileged portion of the city is the ghetto onto sand. It's hard. It's hard times out the gang's coming out of Canada also. I mean. You Should Watch There's a great series on Netflix dirty money and I think it's a the fifth episode is hilarious because it's about the Great Maple Syrup Heist of Canada and there's a lot of gangsters. It's Hilarious to watch it like to watch what ended up in the gangster it's it's absolutely say that bars very low coming from Canada I. This I guess that goes back tomorrow argument about what people are willing to buy as far as so I think sock chicks and candidate was able to sell you the going well. But I mean at the same time edges list. You know how stupid sometimes audiences. Not Ours. Another stuff another no. I never said some other podcasts, stupid audience, vicious I. You know. I I I just sit back and I feel like as I get older out. Israel. My eyes more organs and maybe it's just a you know every generation looks at the new generation on Kinda Rosa is. And maybe it's just that you know ore could is be you know you live long enough you see certain things and you know you hopefully you get wiser as maybe it's just that you know I don't know. I'm pretty sure young people don't say aiding and I'm pretty sure people. My Age are going to understand what I'm saying so. I'll go ahead and say that no matter what the topic is you do a pretty good job at looking at multiple perspectives. And then I try to form an opinion based off of that. I've noticed that but group can be dangerous sometimes. I try to stay outside the group I try to think of my own. Certain things because I like the off wife is like I'm pretty sure everybody loves those Kinda like. You took a took a great silhouette and you put holes in. Late Eighty S R and B band the off white fives. Sound like a fifties. Probably fifty. But I'd like a barbershop quartet is like a group of Mulatto children getting. I just I just googled rappers from Canada. Oh Tom McDonald probably highs driver come out a gingerbread man Tom trap trap. Trap Hanks. Turk. Tyke. Uncle Eddie, you could say that on the air. A Trey songz would Z.. Is Canadian. No No, no no. This that Trey Songz with S. Z. Businessman. Kicks. Thinking outside the box, he pulled the Warren loaded. Chain one thing. got. My Act to retire vanilla is and is us now is an example of when people do you've. been so can isis like name completely out of office you of annoys fan. You know what's the? What's wrong? Robin winkles was wrong White Watch why are You Harsh Rob Van Waco was right. I, mean He. Basically, he came into MC hammer his whole entire gimmick. Gimmick. Did it better? Stop only cut it out I'm. Scared to count. We know. Other update the pitcher for the website without Francis. Go ahead it just photoshop. How do question the lyrical genius of goat in go Ninja go. Go. Up We're. Gang it's not that. I mean. His death metal. was much if him and. His songs and that song got in the car them Louise themselves off a cliff. Never to be heard from again, I'll be happy. I'll be happy. There's a lot of things I will. I will take vanilla ice over say snow. Like if I never hear the song informer again in my life, I'm like snow. You Look boom-boom down. Song mumble rat. Likud. Time he was. Not, a good see. That's like asking me if I'd rather be shot of stabbed that's not really a choice stabbed. Really. Neither. Getting shadows depends more collateral damage. Oh, I just assumed I'm dying either way. I'm getting killed I'd rather get shot than staff. I'll take a stab. See I'm just ready to die. Out. That's why people send you those. That's that's why you're getting those know how are we that? Doesn't kill himself live on the air one night. We'd better problem up you're. Going to kill himself rice pudding. Special. Shout out mental health problems feel free to. Get thrown out there now why don't you? List number. Four I just want to kind of mention you you you. You Brag on ice baby and all that stuff play that funky was the original release playable. From. Hooked which was the original title of to the extreme I'm done. I found that out recently and I was blown away. So man what's GonNa make it through the Night for him off the balcony. I'd always been a fan of his approach who said night and you get shit done. Yeah. The last time he ran someone over, he probably put the Karner verson done it again but I like you know he's about that life. I mean when you like you said, we were trying to get something done. You probably wouldn't sign a contract with him in the first place, but you wouldn't have a choice. I know I can't assume and it got to that point. Shit. You sign an IT, just make visually. It's already done. You might as well just INC it? Anyway number four we got the fragment design. Air Jordan thirty five Strand I really wish I. Wish I tried harder I like them are wish that they just didn't go honestly I wish these brands even just tell you. There's a collaboration to ethic because I feel that as a huge part of it I, think more people's wanted more after they realize fragment designed. As. I want basketball when. Really did open is that you just need a new repair Jay's all my favorites are old. I haven't actually owned a newer pair so like but of course, there's a fragment one I'm going to look more into that one is that I thought him I'm aware the shoe was not to me not the name, the shoe the shoe was though to me and I was like I want these but I'm only got a chance because he wants to not 'cause they're fragment. You know and so as. Recently supposedly going to be i. don't think boutiques. Got Him. So when it's like to drop like this and only Nike has it just makes it that much more tough. But. I don't do I don't think it's GonNa flip though is it flipping hard? You would know better than me at this point. I don't think it is because I think the thing is it's like a flash in a bucket because like people forget that. Travis Scott at one two. And like those thirty two, I think. Nobody cares about it and it was trash. No, it was the thirty three and it doesn't matter probably right they'll shoot us. was difficult shooter put on your feet. God. The. Warm. A SORTA might selling because Irish hold up take work. Take that back you my wet. On my so nice to hear it again. But he didn't purchase them with the intent or. It right okay. With it. I'm GONNA disown because he's like sitting there and it's like I'll be one and it was like. Swam around the house forgot stretch to put your shoes. Straight. Stretching is too much work. Doug because you you stretch because you know you want to work out I, wake up and stretch every morning. It sounds like limb lumber buckling. When I get out of bed I'm not stretching. If I don't wake up in stretch my back hurts all day. It sounds like two by fours cracking. Up. Just Francis old man sounds like a passerby and. was feel like it. Number three. Number Three For. Instance is the old. I thing. He doesn't he wakes up as we the newspaper. They. Log, innocent Detroit to go he actually has a newsletter he he? Probably, the boy number three. Think of barter? was again it is so good to have you back up the show. That's what i. owed has picture still. Oh No no not. Are you thinking about today's Abell jokes in jokes in. Spaghetti number three, we have the Avi Park especially, the Disney, this collection I thought that was actually a pretty dope collection minus superstars I'm surprised it made number three. This is the footwear, right? Yeah. The footwear I like the clothe 'em too though I mean he. Really good at. Talking about shoes right now specifically issue. That and. All the beyond say pictures really sold it for me. Yeah. He put me on. My cell. But even with that being said, we thought it was before like I wish women would like I. Want have someone are female listeners call in leave a voicemail me. No. So weight limit got to be two hundred pounds or more. I don't know where this contract started but if you're not wearing a movie, doesn't want to talk to you. Go. You don't have elastic waist jeans. was nothing to do with you. Your over here break. If, you're Susan Orlean our none of the view on this show. Hi Am supporting all this. Guy Anyway Al Filter argue DMZ you. Thank you. Lost we're putting all your shoes just like sees having to put on his thirty three. If. You've ever define nick you have only one. He wants nothing to do with you. I'm not going to entertain this. Anyway give up his. Collection I. Thought it was like I thought it was dope but I will say it just seems like it should have like you see somebody shoes they get all this attention and it feels like Avi Park doesn't I duNno I in my mind I feel like it should be the biggest name being talked Bahrain but yeah, look what borough talking about yeah yeah. That's Just be in it. was like, okay let me even though we saw I'm pretty sore. So if I am honestly it feels like whatever they did felt like it was more of her idea than it was idea that you I'm telling you Adidas is GonNa Sign Warrant and they're gonNA make a dunk with three stripes Omega. I'm calling it now it's. Bowl of lawsuits they have cameras in the courtroom. That one I'd by that show the I want to be in the courtroom when that happens to. Be Audience. I mean again, like Oh like this. Reebok's yes. She'll be owning at that point. So, how are you going to said very confidently. Sees Money I work. As we speak a number two we've got the off white. Thirty three. Yeah that was a little bit those three threes. Everybody wanted. To. OFF AIR JORDAN FIS. Like I said I, just to me, you took a perfect silhouette also the this. This pair looks better than the Black Muscle said the. I hate what people do that caveat this looks better than if you do this comparison, if it just doesn't look dope on his own and you got to find something uglier, I think that the red laces hard I was waiting for you to make another girl joke. I'm all of them. I'm. Not, GonNa make it. A while I just. I'm so over off white truth is overrated because. I feel like he could come up with anything and everybody will buy it just because there's a one shoe they didn't help me out here. So it was trx runners or something they went outlets was off white woman running shoe with spikes in the. was like a hiking. A I mean, he literally couldn't depict shoe, but I was surprised to see it at outlet. And a lot of stores do, but it is possible I really hard. You could fuck up but I mean if you put Jordan behind, it is pretty difficult to to mess because it's all his Co... Those upon the fucking like that's the dumbest Shit. I've ever heard my life I don't honestly union fifty dollars donation can kiss my ass like honestly like I'm so sick Virgil. Like I mean actually I actually get upset when I hear him talk. You can say that half as. description of your shoe. That's the dumbest shit ever heard could see making a visible shoot they're. Happened when they did it with those forces actually that's a genius idea. Just deliver somebody shoebox until him shoes in. A style. So tired might be onto something and sneaker heads these days might quit. So. Tired. Governor box. I'm so tired of these designers and these half as explanations for these weck as designs they come out with, and then we justify vinyl. We're over here with details like Bacon bits onto leases. Yeah more thought to the imaginary collapsed I. Got Him. I need more focus doing. Air quotes right coming soon a he's GonNa have something with the air quotes on the box. See. I'm I watch you give me. The do man but you know until then you know we got to see here in. This year. I I just I. Don't know man sometimes I. Shake I. Look at the community on the Dick, my head like. I won't even know why I wanted to show but again, like we talked about if the consumer is that. Ignorant that go for the emperor has no clothes. That's what it comes down to exactly what it is. We have done a better job of convincing ourselves at the emperor has close on Emperor has done. Never, got try to convince you. You Convince Yourself. You see that ain't even there. You see some dope shoes that aren't there. You see clothing are there. But I do any other part of it too is just the problem with the word height. Is Of course now. If you have that shoe. Your status is almost elevating just because. That's what people think did I, tell you who? Is. Still Lang Lang would link shoes I said, did you hear I hit three Chicago Dunks? So. Number one on the list. Number one analyst Slough Monkey. High Black. White Yes rob I've never once applauded one before. But hear me out his next everything. Everything that's on that list I. Agree that is the number one issue. That should I really like about it is the back the back heel taps a little bit different plastic everything was different I like the drew Sony that's. Supposed to be it's supposed to be first of all. Simple as simple, but it's supposed to be. It's like you they experimented with the like you say the hills have got something different I think on the tongue this wish might be ups they got the. Back to their their. Translucent missile, which we haven't seen really ever. It's it's like. This is elements that I shoot that as it's called the slam jam but slam. Dunk outright ready. They wasn't both. Just, you just got to join. Welcome to the PODCAST. Shit Up. The week DC boost three, eighty cow CYCLO alka with nobody's I agree I feel like we've gotten back to some level of normalcy. Yes. The the yeezy boost through eighties look like you cut like a cantaloupe or Gordon have. They're comfortable they better. beaver ugly. Tried you you better have a good personality I agree they're more got right. There are more comfortable, but they are one of the worst. Ambi. I haven't seen a single. Nobody wants you. If you've got a ugly shoe be comfortable you can't be ugly an uncomfortable fucking warm and comfortable. A. Put Your foot in their. Sneakers. PODCAST. Wow Dunks just showed me like to put. Put. She showed me a damn from like one of his fans from being on the show while I was Gonna read my hate mail and. Actually. So don't get hate mail. I was until last week I must have made like a desperate cry for help or talk to people bay. I'm like all this positives though like I had a psychopath from Florida, wanted to come up here beat me up. Oh, I've had some very unfriendly messages. Go hang out with him. Did he did you go down there and gone? His knee. Oh, boy that was down there that one of the the fight me there's have matching grey shirts also Justin lamarcus no Do this hopefully got locked up. Boo on the right now. I hope years this. he has hasn't he has a Communist. Might not be listening to more I think moved on. A good. I mean he was he was kidding round. Yeah, he did. Around trying to get attention the Rio Paulo's. That do. Where's pose that I got a PO-? Maybe it was a comment. I'm already nervous some of these tear me apart so bad. See. People keep senors positive shit. which was even worse they're all. So out here some of the comments. On instagram Horton Edmund says is it possible to be on team and Jordan's still laugh at the jokes? Yes. Yes. No, it's not dirties guy. So just say hate mail and then laughing. Shout out dirty shut out. There s macgyver. He's actually one of my favorite youtubers. Now USA, actually, you send a screen shot of the one guy he listens to our show, he's been a very loyal follower you. Did. You travel there's a couple of them were. All right. So I was looking for hate mail right by the other day I gotTA DM and says, Hey, some Francis from Francis I was listening to the podcast yesterday and I know people give you a hard time and stuff and you definitely seem to deal with it. Really. Well, just know a lot of us listening feel like you're the best part of the podcast just thought. I'd let you know. And I want to say since you're so texts. I'm just saying whether he's right or wrong. It warms my heart to hear things like this and even if seven, thousand, nine, hundred of you hate me, I'll keep coming for the ten people support me. I wrote that yourself I don't want to go through my dams personally. No. Most of them are funny part of me wants to do some good. I know your phone password now. Is it. See maybe someone with the. General. Maybe. Could see who says somebody's head another guy who I think he was trying to be nice. But he told me do me a huge favor. Put your feelings in a jar tossing trash can wow So. We talked a little bit and I think even though I don't support you or reselling body Blah Blah you're nice guy you know. He also added that nothing's worth destroying your mental health over so. I appreciate the concern really goal milk his mental health thing aren't you? I'm not trying to take advantage of it. I just think it's fair to be open about it. You should shame people for it. Damaging you know I'm sorry. I can't find it man he said seem pretty normal to me. He said one I basically, he will just stand there all day to come in here. Basically In front of a mirror your special all day all day. Saturday night. Saturday night live skit when he made him look in the mirror. I don't watch. It was like some some and Gosh Darn it people like me. That's what you should do every. Every Thursday Karma. Bracken find it doesn't exist maybe it's in the different. I. Don't know I. I can't find somebody talking shit about him. Basically, they would just kind of saying that they used to hate him but now yeah, they're warming up to me. Bullshit you know he's not so bad basically. Not Agree. I really do appreciate and if I still occasionally upset someone. I'm sorry it's not personal. Feel free to reach out. You know I about sneakers rice, pudding, Mental Health Joe, I want some rice boating probably go RAM's Horn will be open. FUCK IS A. Ramp soared the coney, the toys open nobody. Aren't always open. You don't have good rice pudding. Ram's Horn I didn't even know. Coney Island I didn't even know. It's like it's like only two of them still open their one off northwestern. Yeah. That one nothing does one in Lavonia I rather make a sandwich. There's. I really just bran here. Sees, season no mana is butter is bredesen cheese maker butter sandwich government cheese wrote can't or all that anyway I mean any other? Male I've just I've had some interesting conversations with people and it's Kinda like it's dope that people reach out and like I love to talk sneakers and if we don't agree like so it I'm all about a debate, but a few people have said like. Not Have Changed her mind. But I've kind of like opened their understanding more soda. What's going on like I don't care if you bought a resell but like a at least if you understand a little bit more what you're up against, you understand like little like little things like me saying use apple pay or pay pal that's not cheating I got tricks and tips for everyone I just want to help. People are starting to see appreciate it. But like I told you like I think sometimes people they take their frustrations out resellers, botts on you because you're the face and I acknowledge that and kind of had to work but I understand that but it's like when I go back and talk to the resellers. A jump to them you know they'll get three hundred pairs I'll get like twenty and So you just get no love. Is it's like, oh, he's cheating and rigging the system into them. It's like Bro you're not good enough and it's Now I get why you have mental health issues. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to a sneakers as my escape and I've adapted to win and you know life's just not fair. Well, I mean you, you have a spot here you have a place you are part of our family. Is New. Belong somewhere I'll ring the bell before someone else does. we got to voicemails life is not fair and has actually very long. Leave one of them. You know know the last time I called in you guys didn't take my call. There's a reason why Call from California like. Miss the show. So. Here's the first message. Thank you a handsome pe question about the Jordan on this most recent episode. Bringing up shoes I forgot certain. Vive, Africa. But. My question is this mainly to seize 'cause I know Steve was He will take people's emails about the black history shoop. See, what do you think? If if, Nike, which one would you prefer would you prefer them specific stories? And put the on certain Nike Shoe Or. They take the dorm Becker formula and each year pick say like five different black designers and you know one could do Amex. One can do Air Force One Jordan or thumb. What would you think of that and? To if we can take away any conversations regarding the God ugly, I don't care from the Nike to Adidas. Can we substitute that you're talking about food and restaurants because that's that's whole new entertainment on this podcast. Term each other instantly from somebody say the wrong restaurant. Regarding the Yeezy. And just give me an honest pen from antibody does show. The take the yeezy one. If you take that easy tap off those, those I might look like a spike Lee rejection. Got No that would sue would have set. That would have went straight to the outlets like the mellow eighteen especially in Detroit I don't think they couldn't vote away with a lap dance from White Buffalo Cardi's. And sweetwater wings. and. Yet the wings. All with. Nike. I you call them out when they either back to die something or they just completely messing up any you go in, which is, which is great. We appreciate it. But now for you to wear jerseys how I'm beyond the healthier you let Mitchell and ness get away with making a real live Hulu Sports Jersey. Oh and I seriously now you know good and well. Nobody. They couldn't get them away free for Black Friday Night is what you're paying on the Hulu Jersey and everything I said in the Caroline Kaufman. Yashar is great. Love it I mean hands down the that's that podcast I mean you got made meet delete. We're just call them fraud management by complex. Home I. Know You know what I'm talking but again that love the show yard keep it up. No I appreciate it. One To what I think the most important question answer he's right. I do go in when I, see it as a matter of fact, I'm glad you brought it up that Hulu spores Mitchell Nasdaq was absolute bullshit. I. Reached out to people have mental illness when I saw it if you notice. If you notice you got made sleet it. tweeted it and he put it on instagram go on to they're gonNA instagram and see if he's still up there. They deleted it because they knew. That was in their mind and this this is what happens when brands like Mitchell Nets get picked up by people that don't know any thing about that. They see the value they see the money, but they don't see the The an action yes and the Bram. People that own like Francois Mitchell, mood orange county. How many people aren't? As you think it was really rocking Mitch unnecess- outside of athletes in Orange County probably not a lot. Mitchell NASA started in Philadelphia you know saying like as urban thing, they will make in throwback jerseys one night they catered to a particular segment of the culture that weren't being catered to because if you weren't allowed to get a Larry Bird Jersey you missed out if you want to lie to get a Wilt Chamberlain Jersey, you missed out. So they did they took advantage of a missing segment or something that was missing within the community they may throwbacks and the exact fashion. That you know they were made to the exact specifications. Now Anyway. It has had some of the. Some of the the newer Mitchell nurses. You have some complaints because certain things like font sizes has the quality. The quality of that is gone now because basically they use the same size font as far as numbers, the names on every size, which sometimes leads off. I go to the New York Nets. Away. Jersey data. Jayder like if you got a smaller size, it makes sense that the names of law logos are. Or names of the team the numbers are off because the way to strike combs. But for large sizes, it makes absolutely no sense and looks retarded. Because the font sizes the same. And is this huge gap from the stripe so the names and numbers so it looks like it makes no sense why that's being pushed off to the side I even go back to I. Think I posted his earlier this year when I was talking about the eighteen, eighty, four, Michael Jordan Olympic Jersey I thought was often I posted the picture of him like the USA. was like way across the chest and even came down some and then you look at the Mitchell unnecess-, all small Shit and basically. Say just to say that I haven't called them out I definitely call them out, but I basically went to them directly and so this is I guess a perk of being able to talk to people like, okay. Like instead of going on twitter and his retina whatnot and I see a Lotta, people do that when they ran about shit. On instagram just to keep the shit. I seen like this she did that low. Tomorrow Eleven's and capital. boyfriends fourteen is in capital is you're going to bitch about something I mean. Make it worth their while I don't give them your money to complain about it just to keep them imposing the next day. Batman Jonas. That was absolute. Tragedy was a collaboration between Hulu I dunno somebody in Orange County thought it was cute thought it was going to be a smash hit somebody's slams Shit looks absolutely horrible. Some a lot of them are thank you what's his face DIC- flees the hell out of like whatever that collaboration was supposed to be. It was the absolute worst humane the stuff that had no name or blankets jerseys just down on the on the the trim on the the borders. Actually was funny as he talked about like virgils like Communist. When you deal with the fives yeah. Even funnier Diet. Yeah exactly was the worst exponential. He's famous designer we gotta be cool. No, no you got is. Protect your brand. Just Hornell, you'll brand outs anybody with a name. Angle you know. and. They do a horrible job of storyteller. Here's a Jersey dealing with just pop up on a website. They spent the Jersey southern sales, and that's like I say John War had posted. They did John Wall Rookie Jersey which I feel like. You could easily post I want you post highlights the Jonah was rookie year simple shit. You know then required I. must thought but they don't do. But specifically within that was absolute garbage. Grab. They wanted to charge you one hundred and forty dollars. You right nobody buys for free. Let alone for a hundred and forty dollars who's trying to walk around with a walking billboard who's GonNa Walk Around with Hulu tank top. Basically what it came down to you look ridiculous. You look stupid almost as stupid as the people that had the Rockefeller Jerseys if you won't actually signed the Rockefeller you look like an idiot. Where's Guru wet to defend himself? He probably has one. He's probably listening to this what a tear. He bought the. House. The big question though and beer. But. I dig off in. New Jersey because that was absolutely asked about it. So absolute garbage like I said, I reached out to us directly like an hour later they deleted. Every sign I don't even think it's an a website anymore who like replied to their tweet with flames and the like the flames but it'd be better be meant burn those jerseys great pr guy like dummies. But to everybody's credit though everybody kilty, there was not one person that was like. But but see your point with that. That's what we always say when we talk about a lot of times ideas. That needs some thought before being pushed out to the general public like that would have been one of those things where you know okay. Hey, who has these commercials where they got to Athletes Wearing the Hulu Jerseys? Hey, let's partner will. Mitchell. This is this going to work when when we're grown up and doing work school whatever they teach, you do a rough draft and then a final draft meals and I, think this life this lifelong lesson should be applied everywhere and it's not. To the point we always make where you have decision makers at these brands were absolutely no clue exactly that that's really what it comes down. So they they have no connection to the actual audience that they're selling. You want to pay that person to make the worst decisions ever want to come to me for free and asked me what my thoughts are just eating implemental. No profit and benefit of no going to. Say. One Hundred Nike Jordan basically you one hundred percent correct and I I hate saying it but always feel like somebody's lose job for that. Honestly because it's really so horrible horrible idea and the fact that somebody okayed it, but it wasn't just one person the fact that it goes to all this protocol. Yeah, and nobody wants said, well, know about this one this doesn't seem. Let's might be cute like if you if you work for Hulu and they were like a PAC's like friends and family jerseys that they gave to employees who okay that's funny. That's cute. What Iraq and understand everything I made but actually. Kamal. Right now people you look dumb as a brand Mitch has looked down for even proposing the stage. So much that they could deal with that. They could have did some formal partnership where if you got if you are a Hulu subscriber. One person in the company they tell it on the move. All that familiar with Mitchell and NASA, they ever done any kind of collide with Nike. Okay. So the reason that they may Michael Jordan jerseys is because they got gotta deal with Nike. In some regard nine might not be a collaboration as a partnership almos- basically. Like? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about enough but I feel like they have so much potential put a dope collab- together with Jersey materials on the Swisher something they can't can't do that because. I moved. Nike just put out the Swing Man Jersey step had a Sushi so the. Worst. Are Like Michael, Jordan Jersey y'all can't y'all have never gotten Michael Jordan earlier right ever. Outside. Of when he was playing, it was the I was gonNA. Say It felt like what was that made? My eighty three was at the eighty, three or four collection. I sold every Jersey that I had once I got the Mitchell necessarily. Because we didn't have anything that was at the time at the time. Then, you get the Mitchell unless it's like. Just something simple the name on the back here but I mean at the same time I think we all can agree when before midland has really blew up before to throw bags urging tren Kinda guy big everybody was rocking the swing managers. So we didn't know about you know saying like the quality of the Jersey was. Asking about black. History. month. Nike, as so yeah. The Nike. That's GonNa be real quick. NOPE nope. I gotTA. Think about this. Vang honestly I'm with you I wasn't really big on the Nike definitely aint big. Dita's so if you ask me what I think. Well I. Think we'll all agree though on Nike the Twos we're better than the ones. I knew I knew you were going to get that reaction on him now. I think shape wise and civilize yet color wise maybe not. I think. Put it this way I do here I do think though. Forgiving. A musician or someone of his status, a shoe deal before it was. That it is Kinda challenging to put out an athletic sneaker and I think he did do a decent Job Jersey how to do this is like the first one? Time about. The likability of the sneaker not lake. Potential that God is a hot day and people got man as I wanna say this is like people's rocking them ugly as Gina sneakers for Awhile I registered. Ever owned a pair. Would you wear one of those gene unit tank tops to. Yes they. The wash wall come up with some seniors. But the easy ones were like, I don't know I feel like. Some of the colors are underrated. Yes and I think it's probably like one of the most comfortable she's I don't know uses the easy ones. I like the easy one because it was different especially at that time I do know that who line I don't own a pair nor do I rich for instance is back in the day you know what I'm saying they weren't nearly as expensive before I was actually at the uses tour I know he did multiple rant like when he was like Fuck Nike this and I'm going to Adidas. Price start going crazy anyways yeezy one though I've heard from a lot of people. There's quality control with the VELCRO strap coming off the street the mind combines are still going fine. Yeah. I. Guess. The last question was the blackest thing he. Yes. I want black history month dunks while he is the question of whether Dunks I, want those two out. Of biggest question was either they do a story in basic thing like basically. Story or theme or door-maker where they just pick fights. creatives now, WANNA do both why don't you get five different creatives tell a story. We, could just have virgil. Abloh, do ten more no no no. Don't want that. That was a joke. He's holes and shoes will. But here's my question with that. Because isn't Nike. Constantly every year not doing that that thing they do air maxes now. While we know what they're doing is was it like China airmax? Yeah. The before airmax day they have a bunch of like random. Yeah random. Blew up yeah. No, they do that but they haven't done it in a couple years though did it last year? They did last year was the sole that one? And MINOTTI. Okay. Okay. So remind me at Disney. So what I'm saying is I think something like that would be dope for not only like black history month but I think when they do like their in seven collection when they do the Latino Heritage Collection, I think they should incorporate ideas like that to put those things out because then that way you're getting stories from those people, right so not trying to say they way which are getting stories from those people. So he has a suggestion is just get a bunch of creatives. In a room with. Spreads of Cantey. Cloth. Now, that's what they do. Now I'm scared to. Get. either. I let her is black and gold. and. Create is because then I know they're gonNA. Go get like I. Love I love the fact that the owner of union or as a black man I'm with that that does not mean that every design he comes out with is a Heraldo knows union for is a garbage. Garbage Trash, I don't care. If as a union for off for those shoes a garbage only people want those shoes is because it's a union once again, a wish will happen. separate. Is Only my third time wearing them. Comment in this guy. Sir. Fry on WHO's listening one of gene. She passed away lighter on the show. Truly I am very sorry for your loss bro Yeah Zafy. You may be able to salvage it in terms of putting on the shelf, but you know what's funny about that soon now and the wild so You can still sell it on. Yeah it off much. But this past weekend I propose to my girlfriend has to shoot at a hat on. Making a joke about this, you way six hundred pounds and because he doesn't own Leah so Gino is engaged so. Eighteen Oh, the about serpine toddler shoes. Already have a kid. Having congratulations. Congratulations on your your daughter. Take you. Slam Dunk. You shouldn't. You shouldn't. You should put those up well shoe. Now, let them do non skaters usually have you guys ever used Google not not listening does a great job though. You know how to do this and or don't because. People do it no. Salvage sneak it does a great job. He did Montera twenty one is he local Nah? Yes Japan's along with the Hilton Kelly. He's a Phoenix I moved I. Want someone local. How long did it take? Couple of weeks I sent Siamese Info coca the he does a great job I mean. He did my Olympic seven ad matures when he was great I I've. I've I. Genuinely Love Pennies are due to once again pennywise opening outside two pennies in general is underrated. Speaking of wish the Penny Three's supposed to come out. and. They never did I ain't heard shit about it. Can we just talk about the entire opinion line? The line is Great. Even. A half cent I wish they could see absent. Yeah. That's probably one. Flight ones. Fuck Zoom rookies man. That might be one of the most uncomfortable sneakers off and it just looks good. Especially when I put that put the phone part like the color way like do the I had a song. Sky. The souls are coming off of. Sit On sale. Got Another voicemail strict as. Do. People, review trump card or one. Mother. Do He I'm sure he does something to show what it is. I just don't know thanks for the strategy. No, my question question is. Kicks Action Fina bottom your shoes because I never met anyone else other myself actually the bottom of the sneaker. Clean. mind. when I think thirty. Seconds. Guide was your opinion of the loop Wheeler Air Max. Ninety late five or heard you guys talk about that. And lastly, my favorite sneakers, the white cement corn. On the resale more. Opinionated Pungent Musky fakes your thoughts. Thanks for all the information that good work. A. Lot. I'm going to chip in on the shoe cleaning saying that I'll shut up and let you guys take over. No Actually. That went right over my head. Off something about he's a big fan of dogs is wondering about shoo cleaning skills real quick. He was. A realist week Roy quit before you answer actually had a chance to talk to so like when they called the voicemail. I can listen. Listen in on them leaving the westbound side, I heard it, and what really caught me? was him talking about cleaning the of shoes which will get into? but then in idea talk what I did call him back. And I he all your fans back. Now I call him back because I was like what's up duck right and? And he was. Highveld. big Fan. Really Big Fan. and. He likes to a lot. While share, my shoe cleaning tips I actually have a separate brush for the souls harder bristle. True I live on a dirt road so it's like mandatory. Dirt Road Birmingham I lived on to. Talk, your driveway is not finished yet. Putting, the cobblestone. Country we got well septic. Tanks dirt. Roads. A refuse to I can't do without water dogs manner. US. Live burrowed. Has Two. Houses in. A row dirt road. To houses. Most of it was I got one and you know it sucks for having nice sneakers really but not much traffic and that's the resale wanted to stay about money. Like dunks super successful but. That's the reason why call them back honestly was because I hear people talk about they clean the bottles of the shoes which to me is like why? Because if you're going to wear them again, they're just GONNA make contact with the ground late I don't understand if you're walking on concrete I. Agree it's not. Necessary. But if you`re Like you know I mean if you're not in a big city and you gotta walk through grasses or lawns or. MULTIVENDOR ANYTHING NOT CEMENT. I, feel the need to clean the souls on dom because it's going to get dirty like the sides in the upper. You can minimize the damn like I'll see people getting soul covers or out with a call. I agree that. But I do feel the need to wipe them down I mean on. The shoes, their shoes meant to be worn. Like I get it. You WanNa protect your shoes as much as you can because it. It isn't investment to some degree right and you want to extend the life of him as long as possible. However, they are shoes. The bottoms are them are going to get dirty and whatever else happens to the bottom of shoes when you. I mean. To me is like if I. He's just WanNa get dirty when I wear mcgann like that part of it like I say unless you can fly. I'm not saying everywhere hit the souls belykh regardless I still a designated sole brush that I do use every now and then I I just can't do the south I east I mean the more power to them I can't imagine. Exactly, like trying to scrub the dirt off the bottom of shoe. I mean I'll I'll take toothpick and get the little rocks out. Shoes have grooves whereas day was like I don't look back Dave. I wish casino face the day's face almost like he wants to smack the back of your head. Y. Action figures in their cases to don't you. If they're for sale. You set yourself. Toys you take him out you. Play with them they're not. Know Twenty years ago fifteen years ago I might have been a little too old still be fine but man. The most I do like shoes in terms of cleaning the bottoms of them if he's like. I. Mean We got you know if you don't WanNA clean your shoes drawn a blank on his name but we got we got friends and associates that clean shoes cloak Lula da you don't WanNa do it. They do a great job. The clue. Bottles though I think they. Will because I sent them two pairs of shoes before and they the whole shoot came back like clean like even the bottom I've cleaned shoes for people I hit the bottoms I'm not. It's not like something I do often but. Those the faintest bail room when I WANNA hit. He's in the bottom so I'm, GONNA. Add a question though cleaner do you guys use crap? Out of. That response so A lot of the song. I'M GONNA keep it one hundred I'm still going through cases of crap. The wipes. I got like I. I got beef but the whites I got boxes of those ships at home so. Very, Mu box. No. So. I've been using Jason Mark. But I've been talking to Kiwi ever since complex kind and we got a follow up because they're interested in doing a little something with do. Burn Jason Marks Jason Mark is like the worst one. So okay. So when it comes to cleaner I'll try anything but when it comes to Allen, not no seriously here. But when it comes to lake repellent, I'm a little bit more nervous when it comes to trying new products I, don't really use the repellent 'cause I will for swayed. But I'm still nervous went like like Jason heard good things. So I was like all right I'll spray company I've never heard of I'm worried. The. Fuck me we're about to have a hard winter. No, we're not GONNA do that. It's going to ruin your Warren Lotus snakes. Keep plugging hundred the crafts rate I. think it was like one of the better ones that I've. I've gone through all of them. Are Still I have nice crap post in like years even still have social media. I, think yeah. Poor Chocolate Syrup on the still do that shit is that dumb or is that I think that's true. But anyway doesn't know on my bed. Over. Souvenir. Added into the Ruby Tuesdays models are now about to be high end you know Cya not. Collective. He's his own and it looks like the. Bottles. It's pretty. It's cool. Looking creative. I'm pissed I missed the chuck. shits the Galaxy Joints Nice Oh. The. Chuck. Yes. redoing this Sunday. And blue. So I think they felt like Jordan's he's a high word because I I went today I saw there's no half sizes and I. Always Missing I. Don't want to say it but I'm going to have to bite next time. I couldn't believe I took the the problem working nights advising it. You know it's coming now I know the working nights because like he doesn't have a sneaker that way you know what I'm saying like that can. Set Alerts Shit. Is The a Lotta time notifications on for his instagram post though. Yeah. So That's how I hit premier every time as I want to done them all my body's by that but then you know they'll drop them in his I, on instagram like four hours after he should sells out. So I Think it was the Chunkys from today yeah. Well, no because we're not recording today recording next week but theoretically, yes. So whatever he just said the Fourth Wall going down because I fucked it up three weeks in a row. So it's funny to me at this point I feel bad every time I won't do. So the Turkeys dropped last Thursday. fucking. Of. Cream there could be a door right here. He's walking into the wall like the KOOL aid man. I. Think he said they hit they hit shop like a minute after the hour and was sold out like twenty seconds. Now see if you're gonNA do a brand that's the that's the way to do it out I decree. Create. Wore donoso creative. That's creative. He's coming up with his arm brand get his own shit their nose as he designs his own shit that's creating literally taking a pigeon dunk and adding is in a nose to the solut-. It's not creative. Who? No I mean. He Photoshop Jason's face onto. Wish. And then recycle that. But what I was going to say about SIA was anyone who missed I'm not as familiar with his products new to it. But for certain models that sell out, he'll open up preorder is later it's just the you know there. There will be a second chance or he is looking at. Things like I think is the Chunkys or whatever. If you're a member which is like a whole `nother thing, you had access to the bride of chucky which was like a pack. Yeah. So. Now, so he did that today or last Thursday or fourth wall and I. Think he went on his today said on Sunday he's Kinda, opening it up, but in a free order so like Next Sunday aired whatever man? Speaking of was I I sorta got my phone I. got a mill I can this election? On a swear to guys It's bad. It's bad news situation. No matter what happens everyone's GonNa be pissed off over to understand saying the mail. From the Mail I've gotten from the text messages I am. So over this election, I just want to vote and get it over with also to thing. With. This is just hilarious to me so. I don't know I just feel like an increase of these telemarketers where they called me the other day they called me. Text messages. Now we know they called me and I answered it and no, it was like a you know some facial like, Oh, you've been charged with fraud and with. The every is looking to get you unless you give us a thousand dollars or some shit, and so I always call them back where I stay on the line. So I talked to somebody. And be like, yeah, you gotta give us a thousand dollars I make some shit like well, you know actually I'm a police officer. So if I'm GonNa, let this five this case up, you can get the case number they always hang up but then it was like this one guy. on if. Not But. I was. told him I was a cop to. And he started cussing me out. Here's I. Fuck. You Fuck you fuck. You Fuck you. Feel. Weird time to be a COP. It is, but he started going off on me like fuck you fuck you don't like. And I like I like fuck you and then we're going back and forth and then he stopped and I stopped. And then A. Heels like. He's still there yesterday my fucking. These fucking fucking Mama Fuck you fuck you. Wow. All right. You started going off on me and my mom just because I called him and his eyes so Sheltered telemarketers out there. You gotta listen to something to get you through the day. Right. So listen to the show. Let's. See it's I just from entering. So many sneaker a- I used to never answer a random number. But entering sneaker raffles so many other stipulations. Don't answer go to the next person. So I, answer every time I phone rings don't half the time it's like. A curable. But. Speak in a halloween. So even though I don't think it's Halloween colored or oriented how what is our overall general consensus on the MOCHA's. Straight. Like Jordan was to begin with so. Yeah. Hold on a second you don't care during. Now Roman I like the low. Yes. Do Not because we got on you but like they're like close enough to the dunks. Low. I have mixed feelings about them, but I do like I dislike. Them because they weren't Travis Scott and so this is the closest thing. Poor minutes but I I. Remember be careful saying now remember who is not here he's the only one upset. He's listening. His beard is GonNa tingle every every time someone says bro this tag him in. The House. Got All right. Like that's what they do. Okay. Here's the Scots we're going to give you some variation. Where the broker unions. What gets me is the like the people that have the Travis Scott that want them. Me Why You got both. Have the MOCHA's yet The. I do like to see everyone's going to say, Oh, type I do like the Travis Scott more but it's just because I feel like the black toad is kind of like. A different vibe to it I like I. Like Brown shoes in general. It's not like an every day shoe to me don't like it's definitely not an color way or anything or like. They are too similar and I feel like had Travis Scott never been on the one. The MOCHA would still do well, though is what I'm saying I'm saying regardless of Travis Scott I still think the MOCHA would do well, I, think look better if that collar on the around the collar figured it have been black. Lit Better to me I. Think it's like Brown black wait. Mostly white but usually run the collar is black right but as white. And I'm just I mean I'm not that Presley the way. I'm Kinda over to George Watson. The only Jordan one I, want now those black and gold joints. Coming out on holiday. So I saw a picture of them, their highs, right? Yeah. All right. The picture I saw looked kind of Midi thing. They already dropped them as music before. Then maybe looking at. A mockup remmy maybe not necessarily like I feel like they have dropped it as a meal like a long. Feel like I've seen it as a meal before maybe all. Unless it's an eleven I don't really like. I said I feel like you might have been maybe like a women's or maybe it was the kids version it was. So to you guys were putting the MOCHA Jordan's nowhere near the top ten Jordan of the year. that. Feel like a lot of people are I don't even remember all the Jordan was they came. Into many of them there has been a lot dome eleven's those holiday lovers now though is that an enhanced photo op Francis tattooed didn't they drop that color way or something damned similar. No No. No. This Beijing's with Jordan on Lazio was another one on unlike black Friday or cyber Monday or something I they could account with something knows. The at this point, they just want should against the wall on the boxes it. Or you know what I'm looking forward to the Bacon airmax nineties if it actually happened but actually I know who? So. I think there. S, we add this weekend. European listeners I need a forty nine point five I have dual citizenship, multiple addresses twos. Sir. You you think I'm doing this in America the shipping restrictions have made it tough, but you can't stop dogs. On himself on. Over the air like the while. Don't drop dimes content creator that dabbles and sneakers in general. Nothing on them I. think retail on those like t they'll go off once people realize because they're not being pushed your advertise very heavy and like all these new people are GonNa Realize Oh Freddy Krueger SP's dunks this closest I'll get low by just because it's like when I told you sleep with the uglier sister and you said you wouldn't I feel like people will grab these these Jay air maxes I mean fresh airmax is just because they couldn't get the ducks even if they don't like the. Ninety five. To Ninety Five, I'm saying I'm saying is going to be inflated just. I mean. That's kind of a given them. Nicely. Put. A name on an. Election 'cause I swear where to God, I? Read about. Now you start came out they said they were cancelling it. Really Yeah I looked at it like before I walk in here sick kids during Cova designing. That I'm. Glad about that because I don't want the kids to get their collaborations is what is he? Doing is less hype around time of year now speaking of Cova though and this and sick kids not being able to do it the strawberry coughs I know push back because it literally showed a strawberry coughing and it's inappropriate with the pandemic epidemic whatever we're going through. In my opinion no but I understand the argument about you don't want that the reason from mind I talked to a few skate shops in the reps told them that the strawberry cops were originally delayed because it literally showed a strawberry cough knows insensitive to the people were going through. I live in the most. Twenty release. It was postponed postponed and to the point I, don't know if it's happening. It's happening next year. Understand though like. This has to be the most sensitive generation we your find offensive everything. I've seen bears. Leave reviews like these guys racist shut up like this. Enjoy the show like, Jesus. Christ I think we're racist. He's way voice was a lively. As we're very well represented, right here we go. How do you feel about the Belvin? Are you know he's Cuban? Cuban let's let's do this. Brazilian. Have you heard Caesar steak on them. Take on It was brutal absolute. As the worst collaboration I've seen in history he says worse on the Guava is. The unions I like the quo. Lowers. Eleven for sale I'm not paying disrobe looks Sylvia Soda, what time tonight he drove all Araya rotter blog just a pull into the driveway. Is Ridiculous look first of all the fours would just basic as fuck and lazy. That's all it was just like, Hey, here's all these weird shit. I'm here and let me ask you a Color Palette of what? The guava color way. Could you see you on a different silhouette With a pink and blue you talking about I'm kind of colored line and struggle with it but it was some exotic pop colors I'll take. On a different shoe I just felt like that shoe I just felt like we're actually they put it on a Delta or whatever I feel like he came out basically, it just felt like he came out with some as unfinished version of an off-white. In a period, the tongue is going to be stitched down and you know this you know. I. At first look the way China he just gave in the bottom half of the shoe. That's why I say they put them in a room with a timer like are you got twenty seconds? To designer shoe and he's A. Ran Out of time before he got to the mid sole and also. The clothes the better than any Shuna collection those don't yeah. I liked the closer dope. Jabe Alvin Close L.. You get that dumb as collaboration with McDonald's. I you know what it is I. Just I'm at my wit's end with these collaborations I'm my anyway everybody clapping like seals to every collaboration comes out because they WANNA get next to that celebrity or they want to be gifted his shoe and I'm talking about about the blogs and influences because nobody has the balls to say anything out Lau outside of me and probably night we. Oh So yeah. The realist podcasts out there. And say you know what? Though and it's funny because when CDs influences do this shit or to do this shit is like like we talked to design people but yeah, I'm able to keep it rolling. You feel the need to Kiss S. Why you see me doing you see me saying I. Say this on the show and to them. and. It has affected me yet because obviously for the show's purposes, I'm more bombast for entertainment purposes but when I talked to him I try to be more destructive. You know it's like detailing as to why I think. This is bad why I think you should do this right Nike here. Yoshi. Trash like trying to hear that. Nobody's trying to hear it. But if I go on there and say, Hey, y'all got a job. yuck GonNa do this this and this and this I'm probably going to get invited for Nike then Emma speaking of doing a better job. Speaking of doing a better job, I don't know what the shoe is called but Nike recently sent out first responders nurses a specific model just for them for free. Host the the name, those nurses. We talked about. Last and the reason caught my attention is I have a buddy whose girlfriend is a nurse and she got the email he logged in first thing copter cise. So that's a shame. But that's how I caught my attention and they're trying to good thing and I suppose you're going to sell it to you for you to resale higher profit he could resell it himself I. Don't know what his intentions are but that's how it came on Iradar. I like when Brenda's on Nice like that it's like when new balance is turning their factories to produce mass instead of shoes for a little while it's like little things like that that you notice that they don't have to advertiser Brag about but you don't see Adidas doing real quick to I. Guess we can talk about this more on the show but I KINDA WANNA tease it may be the next episode is the whole Youtuber. Thank the seems like this. That has this topic of discussion I was like woody people look for in youtube videos. Would you you video you look for? In because it feels like when I watch a youtube video, the overwhelming majority of telling you the same shit you got like. Ours You know this is the one You know black winner red and white like we know I got is my fucking like I know. You need them on feet, look Oh shit I matters the the leather better shut everybody compares to the back. Have you seen the trophy were once I am so overdose? I get it people want Chicago. Once here's a variation of I'm over black, white and Ray. Once I am over it I'm over one. For sure. Over Black White and real disappointed that that's what they're labeling the trophy rooms. Is. Like their last lab was dope the? Fives. that. That was that was something new. WHO's? The seventeen sixteen. Lie All those grace I still haven't on dead Stuccos if I hadn't seen a million pairs of one of the maybe. But I'm just like I got one fatigue I looked like a Chicago Christmas ornament that's like literary. Yes. Shimmering material on just. Good signature on them too. So next week is going to be youtube conversations. This kind of I mean if you WanNa talk I know I'm just saying we got the time, but if I got a back next week to yeah. No I Know what you'll take is going to be out of a bar listeners, GonNa. Know what your take is going to be but. All of them, I do Kinda Scour youtube just to kind of look at the different videos that you know people coming out with just to kind of see the different takes people have one and this'll be but I definitely stand out above the crowd I hate the to Polish ones like I love oxalate justly I mean he's in his own stratosphere but like it was that other do forgot. Why Oh, a really narrow down the field. dammit. He at the commercials with A. Can't. Remember they. Focusing was Scott or something or am I removed from that whole scene or has it died but the the issue tuber? The scene? Yeah like my so far removed from it that like this is still going or louis going like everybody's still trying to break into for the most part I kind of stay away from exit just like. Oh. The peanut guy. Get. With like planters, peanuts, shoes, both of you might as well be speaking Korean right now. I. Have I don't know I mean yeah you're right. He's cool enough. I've met them in whatever you know we exchanged numbers. He's cool enough like I I feel like she to commercialize. Good You got the other people that you know just have fun with migrant she disasters on what? Night Wayne night laying is by far to me as Youtuber like he keeps it real he he gives you information. He gives you performance reviews as well as a little bit of background history to the shit he's connected. So he knows what he's talking about and it gives a lot of information from those people obviously J B Not many people. Can listen to and watch it's just like It just to me is like. What are you looking for? You know from people and I I mean and they lay their opinions aren't really very much. Late. Nobody's really give you know real information. It is tell me whether they like it or not most people like it just because I mean the either pay for it or was gifted it. So I mean they're not going to buy something don't like anything got gifted. They're not going to try to defend the people that gives it its own. So most people are going to say going like. Lot of people keep it real on account certain shoes. A lot of people don't have let information when it comes to the shoe. So was like, what are you looking for? As you to. At that has it reached a point where it's just like. All right. That's it as a crescendo. I definitely think there's too many people doing it, and like you said, there's a lot of overlap in which said or the thoughts but. It's like I encourage expressing creativity and I think now. There's an opportunity to create content, but not everyone is necessarily certified to be creating this content. No definitely. But I mean that's like anything not everybody is good enough or should be having forming and having an opinion about anything. That's the good touch. Bad touch to the Internet. Good touch every voice bad touch every voice. Yeah. No, you want. That's probably the best way to put hired as the Internet and bad. Will you think about the wrong websites. You need to watch them different websites. Reviews on four hundred or the bloodhound gang might need no no, we did that one segment where was sick? We need to add more. We need to add a new category sneakers. There's actually a think new porn where it was like porn related his is little. Yeah I'm like do. Sure you wanna see that stuff. No, there's actually pouring whereas like. People are wearing sneakers and like you guys ever kept a weird shit. What have you guys ever kept your shoes on? No. Hold up like you days face look like. Sarpong. That's not a sneaker head thing we don't do that. No. Focused on that fuck the shoes on I'm not saying every time going in s nickel porn. After Thought. They how's it? What does that? Add You? Sometimes, you gotTa take your pants off issue back onto vacant work. They WANNA blame this on the white thing but I don't think I can. No. Way. No Jose, just overall saying well, no I just kidding yeah okay. Now linked me later. They ended what? Gone. No They. Are you worried about traction like what? Like what? If you weren't about traction don't be on a non slip sir. No. Man. That is probably the weirdest way too. Bad I didn't realize. Your next week. Her on. Later. All right real quick before we go Greenberg's burke. He Re tweeted his are- each arrest or. we ramped yes. We had interview them as we did a far throwback Thursday last week you boomer said Reinstore Graham. also, we've got some apparel coming out check out You either go just anybody Troy Dot Com Garner, you did podcast page or Instagram or just a social media and be a link in our pro shirts from both men and women. So On that note I got anything else that yes. No maybe. Love me hate me feel free to reach out, will read it soon as I hate mail for dunks. No hate on dunks talking about keeping the shoes. Oh, no anyone else ever has. Let me know. Him Know. I'll share a really don't we like behind the bar in an alley when I wasn't even taking barely taking my pants off maybe like this shoe stayed on but may justice, Justin slayer, he might agree with you but. Now See. That is I. Keep the belt on over my shoulder. All right. I'll tell you again. Some white people is that is on raisins potatoes Don't don't put written don't. breadcrumbs on the macaroni. Doesn't. The belt is the break. What these days one of these days I have. I am GonNa make some Mac and cheese and bring it down here and and your head is GonNa, explode out. So you now my head's going to explode when we go to Cleveland. Case. So me a place that is entertaining dude Bob Bob's in when I saw. You do not understand how purchase he's down to one and he's getting better. He's willing to go on Agley. Oh. Is that detail? Oh, do we know we had a good time? Because you, he would agree the good time. That's different. That's what. Okay. But that was the point of that conversation I don't know where you are not can find a place to have fun. No 'cause I said. Shows on wow. You can have fun at a funeral my whole Fang is. Do we gotta data yet. The new and if you cannot hit on girls at funerals darker. Did that's not what I said. I said. All. Next week. You can have fun anywhere. Yeah. That's not so but the whole point was is Cleveland of fun destination is, can you have fun in Cleveland? Yes. No most people don't have your ability to create fun. then. That's on now I saw you know that sounds now because Cleveland Fantas. Dave. That's a state of mind is a day and Had nothing to do with that. Like if I want to have fun I, could say Okay Bay area got. This Chicago, has this betray even hassled things Cleveland has absolutely nothing outside the rock and Roll Hall of fame got a call a statue we find specific to Cleveland. There's bars everywhere like that was fun. You know. Like. We said YOU'RE NOT GONNA go to. The. Bars everywhere. Charts ignored all. Bars everywhere you have fun. So what makes? An editor so many women Cleveland. Unique. Do. There were like, honestly there were at least three bars that I would say we hit. That are quite very, very unique like like that are like no place that I've hit here or anywhere else. I mean there was the vault that was built inside an old bank that was just absolutely gorgeous. It was amazing and it was for phenomenal. There was the classy joint which was anything but that had a jukebox with like. Nazi punk rock. All Shit on it I definitely. Don't want to go there. I'll know what you do because. No because that's where you go when you start shit that's where the fun happens. And then. Straight for there was the bar called the ugly broad where Bob and I got adopted by two. By a married couple of fifty five year old lesbians that looked like large marge. That thought we were the greatest thing since sliced bread and like whipped out, they do they literally pulled out a card. Are. A box that they'd Blow the dust off. Because they were like you guys want shots we were like, yeah. We want shots literally pulled out the box. Blew. Dust off it and Yeah, this is good for you guys and just got us through shit all night like. Remember what happened. Thank. You woke up between no no, we went to three more years after that. And then after that, there was an orgy. No. The next morning May Greg? I'm not. His fault for leaving. There are certain places you know like Orlando I'm GonNa go down there for this I'm ago I'm a hit specific cities to have a certain level of fun Cleveland nobody saying about the vacation or go to Cleveland unless their job makes them go there. And I never I. Never argued that my point was there's funding had incurs Leno. Finally we know you said there is There is there is fun with Dave. But unless Davis there is nothing to fucking do. The same bars are they're the same experiences her to be happy. You don't have them on you know. So something exists like a building or a bar whatever that doesn't make it fun. You are able to create fun and the places that fun does not exist. So you create that not the bar. Yeah. I, don't think the bar created those two big lesbian. The owners because you said, you said she had the dust that means that boxes been sitting there to collect wait no you. got. That box was not open. Nobody was having fun with those ladies. You has it took someone with our frame of mind till walk into the so but why can't that be you? because. We don't have day for. The kind of Cleveland and Cleveland Fund it's not my job to McClellan fun. I didn't make Cleveland. Fund you. Know everywhere we went. We had fun. You make you made it fun. UMEDA. Fun. Cleveland is not inherently fun. Dave is Cleveland is so therefore when it goes the Cleveland, he can still have fun because he is a fun personality. And you gotta dust off something. That was just one bar. Like say one out of three. So the thirty three percent and we we went to nine bars that night. Okay. So The math is on it but. We were there's a lot of drinking. No I'M NOT GONNA lie. We have no idea. We like both of US freely. Admit we have no idea apparently. So eleven percent of the bars no apparently the last bar we were at was right across the street from the hotel neither one of us have any recollection of being in that bar or getting back to our hotel. That's another thing you gotta to be in. Cleveland have fun. I mean that's the thing about the city. We weren't shift as when we started. No was indeed, but it was fun all the way a lot. Go again you can have fun anywhere. We could be stranded out in opening the water and you still it was fun. What it could that's That is A. State of mind exactly though nobody was saying I WANNA go strand myself out in the middle of the ocean. Half Fun. Do you like it. Okay. If you're coming to me and say, Hey, where do you want to go to have fun is Cleveland in my list of top ten no. But it's but no but your premise was Cleveland is not fun. It isn't but it is no Davis. So, if I go to so if I go to Cleveland with Dave my likelihood of having fun as a lot higher than if I went by myself, well, that speaks to you know. I, we can go to Fort Lauderdale we can go to Miami, we can go anywhere. You. Go to places that where the fun is predefined for you. That's the whole point of going there. Was the. Point. You're not going to have fun on the beaches on the strips at the restaurants at all their other amenities. That's the whole point of going you go to Vegas for certain things. You ought to what Disney for certain things you want to California for certain things go to Chicago, for certain, things nobody goes to Cleveland like gay. And again, that business trip you're gonNA visit fan I'm and I'm not arguing that my point was you your premise was cleveland is not fight is not Just like prison prison is not fun but I'm pretty sure. You. Know. I'm pretty sure I would not have done. Especially, now with as long as my hair is right now. Office, right. Now but dude like I I do I truly believe like Dude I've had fun I went to. God once upon a time for a little nonprofit and I wound up going to Kent State, which you know where the shootings happened and all that kind of crap in the middle of Nowhere Ohio. I wound up in a dry county shooting pool with a guy whose name I made him show me as. His name was skater. I still had fun that weekend you didn't. You make them appoint right? Because I know when is you know is You kinda you Kinda. You wasn't some random as in Ohio conditionally no you either you know you had no places in there. No had no business being that whatsoever his name is Peter and yet somehow to have able to have fun because I made skier hop in his pickup truck and drive to towns over to where there were bars that were actually hoping survey i. Dame Damian's bar. That's all he needs. He needs a bar. Weird as random isn't a prerequisite for fun alcohol like doesn't isn't that how we WORK AS UNIQUE TO CLEVELAND Again. You. Do you're like all yearly every. frigging trump supporter. Argue with online where you keep. Moving goalposts. But? No, it's. It's not fun at all. And it's not fun. Okay. But Cleveland is fun dude. The bars are there. There are great places to go. It's and if you don't have fun that's on you because clearly we we didn't send because. No, because the goalposts were not move I say. Is Not fun. Day. Your argument is Davis Fun. So therefore, Dave can go to Cleveland in create fun. No my argument is NASA argument is now my argument is you know go anywhere and have fun no. That's on you prison. Okay. Thank you. said, anywhere depend on. Your frame of mind yours and you're leaning. Depends on what you like. I'm not here to judge does certain places do not you're going to have fun you know okay there's a million things to do I could finally is one thing to do have fun. Okay. But cartoon, Taylor Dude, I go to Vegas I. Never Thought You'd I go to Vegas No I. Go to Vegas I, go to La I go to Miami yes. I got a three day Max. Because after that I am bored and annoyed as Shit and want to slap the crap out of. The Fun? No. Because people are. So God fake that I I think my tolerance for bullshit is solo. You say people I do too I like persons I hate people but no, it's it's the it's the vibe in it's the environment is the atmosphere. So no yeah I would rather go to a Cleveland then a Miami. Miami's not a good example no or Vegas, or what do. Right. Well, not okay. So like I said at Tennessee, if you would've asked me before I went oh my God I'm not trying to go to Tennessee this is going to be boring and then you get down here. This is actually pretty fucking held a lot of. Exactly because they got free to do actually fun I, didn't have to go down to Tennessee and make things fun. Got Fun things to do already for me. This is. The. There's. There's. Always goes back to bars. So you gotTA. Joy You can you can. If I got the Christmas story houses. Say that. You say that I snagged shut up. Randy. GotTa be drawn to sleep with you probably not that attractive. If I got to be drawn to enjoy your city your city probably getting Shit, you just sat there and I have to be drunk to enjoy almost every city. The Christmas Story House, it is anybody listening to this show I. GOTTA GO TO CLEVELAND. The Criminal Story House nobody cares about that house not if we're already included with and it's five minutes away. Okay. Go. It was a destination you decided and I didn't even see it. They're gonNA Lousy. Orlando I'm like Disneyworld. I'm not GONNA say The house from. May with children well, you know I'm not. I'd like to see that there's a list of things that I will list. That are more fun like our had to hit rock bottom of the list of things that don't Orlando before I ever hit the May, which house if even there. Okay usually when you rank when you list stuff you start with the top things to do you at the Christmas Story House I know I started with all the bars that are ship Story House I gotTa get drunk and then I got to go to the Christmas story Oh. No, you get drunk you just. Have to have an Oaten, and again, this brings me back to my like the whole point of this. Is All. About your mindset you gotta be drunk I got alley. No, do you. Do The I. Do we want the first bar? We went to a God damn legit Viking bar outside of the bar outside of bars with us. I don't know that. I. Go. The bars here's a story how what are you doing? What are you doing? You go to Miami not going to the first of all. What Were the women? During the Bar No. On the beach all the. Drinks. Where where, what do you do when you go to Vegas? I ended up. what do you you doing to? LA Women, what it? What do you when you go to Chicago? Bar, what are you doing with it? No no no. No. You actually little dog. Oh, you got the museums you got millennium part. You got the benefit mile. You got the theatre district and all of the women that are win win win. Last time you went to the menu was a mile or wins the show. This July. You show on those shelves. So. So you walk you walked past a bunch of shops on your. On your way to a bar, No, I didn't go to the bar. I don't I know. Story walked into many times. Many Times. Dealings, but they closed it closed illnesses fucked up. I'm saying. US If it is a frame of mind Miami the Strip the malls, the beach Nike Town. Nike Tail, but is a million things to do each location I can list them off us at Hollywood that alone is I mean there's millions of was. Okay. So I've I've done. I've done a Hollywood numerous times. It's boring. Shit. It's Like yeah, if you've been a million times no. So yeah. Okay. Yeah, I did Disneyland. Yeah twice. So you haven't been enough in your book, right? I mean it's like if you want to go to more times probably would you say all right I've seen everything? No because. So here's but here's the thing. So here's what I learned about Cleveland paying you to defend when I know what I do. Too, laughably the Cleveland Tourism Bureau actually booked. Ads On our show. No? No No. No. This was two years. But yeah. But not like he hasn't been back since. We went last year. But no. So it's it's like it's like la I know like if I'm going to La I, know the three bars that are worth going to, and those are the ones that I'm going to. Is that he's only three bars. You. Making my point Detroit. We're not going to actually say Detroit where do I go CJ Barrymore's. Dave and buster's ain't going there. I hang going there I know I on there I I'll I mean as a tourist probably GonNa go to the Motel Music is definitely on Mozart Museum. You WanNa Temple Bar. I wanted WHIZ and. Short whiskey in Detroit and Ham Jay, I'm already five things already and I had the list now one bar Greenfield village. Same likes bars that's that's. Bars. Dave no right now. Cleveland there's. No reason for to go. I'm bout reason for that again i. Middle I'm on a dry county in Ohio and forced a guy named skier to drive me in his pickup truck to where there were actual bars open gators. will bid. Dave. That boy told me. He was never going to tell that story. Anyway. I know we gotta right is a man. That was great. That was great. I wish we were sooner anyway this is episode at two seventy three. Is Coming. Trips. He's Got Cleveland now. We. Got Three bars. Three bars. Christmas story house. We'll we gotTA MEET YOU GotTa meet the the Big Lesbian Women yes. We do Dude I. Swear I swear to God that was the greatest. Bar. Life? No. No you gotta understand. It's so it's it's called the ugly broad number one. And it's run by the two of them number two. And it's a country bar number three. They have Karaoke number four. This sounds like sounds. Go number five I get up and sing the Humpty Dance Karaoke number six bob gets up and sings me so horny. Oh. No. Sorry. We want some pussy was actually what he's saying. And the and the people there lost their shit and had a good time with us. I mean probably plays a part and I. Get that and I'm not gonNA dispute that that's a thing. I wanted to count that. That's the only way around. Once. Again, I might not have fun of these plays Oh. No, you will. because. That's the only reason. Random guy named skiers GONNA. Was Not picking up Caesar. I'm like. This way I know. What you, why Angle? Bio here. Why? Why are we on the midfields this? There's no trespassing. So. Yeah. I I'm just saying I I don't know but I'm we're going to try this out. We're GONNA. See what you have to say I mean. Would you have to show like I said I did my only thing is I do I truly believe in a state of mind like I will certain extent? I'll give you that. So a certain extent, but there's only so much you can do. Is Bite of your environment. True And I just think Cleveland there. There are. Is. There are places that I've one up here, run my God. This is the shittiest ever the best time I've had in Ohio is joining through. Let us. Know Cedar Point is acute how you? US before I knew it was in Ohio do these turnpike's so like these belts were made because of a comic con in Toledo. Because it used to be part of Michigan and all. It actually was. One of the other shows that we have on your shot, a history did a show about the great. Toledo war. But. Not like that's Toledo Salah placed on the it is. Area. Has Michigan roots so certain parts of it. was almost. Saying. I get it like I'm just my whole thing is it's all about. Okay. It's mostly about frame of mind and what you're open on Dave you're unique personalities. Now? Dave. Cool. Yeah. You blacker than some way people I mean you black people did I was laughably. So why does only legal I mean, you'RE A. Box He he is. A great area. I don't ever. I. Don't ever WanNa be Whiter than white people. He's definitely and. I was. Like I know grew up with the nickname reverse Oreo, To the point like seriously. So Dude I so when I was in high school, I was living in New Hampshire. Almost got disowned by my family and I can't even tell you how many fights I got into 'cause I dated the only black girl in our high school. where hurt it? Nile joke on the air because even though he told it to me, that's her dad told him he's still not. but no I mean, it's. Like that's like something that's never been. A thing to me like I like I I I know this is like, Super Cliche in super stupid. But like I did I don't I, don't see you guys as black guys. I I see you guys is my friends that run a podcast I mean and that shows and that's why you probably one of the cooler one because it doesn't feel forced or fake. However. Skiers going to treat you differently entry me. Being near David no actually had a phenomenon back. No. So our show. I show that ran her earlier today. The high vibe guys. We had a great conversation like they they started like. So it's it's three guys and they were having a whole conversation about what does it mean to be black? And like they were trying to come up with these very. convoluted high level definitions and all that Kinda Shit and I said guys, can I make this simple for him and they're like, yeah, I'm like okay. So Here's how you know if you're black. If we get dropped off in rural Georgia. How are they going to treat you? Or if you go through area, you gotta here by sundown. Man I don't want to be here overnight Oh man I feel like that driving some places in Michigan I was the blades. WHO WE GOT TO LEAVE Or made out in. Lot of lot of angry side or no Cya Riady especially especially around election time when you see all the trump. Signs ain't even though they so. You make this. Big. Bam. I say this community. Do. JETHRO who printed that Shit for you right. Signs. Muscular. There's like this big as community project that they has contributed to well got David News Los Angeles. First of all, I'm not putting this on a no candidate on my car or there are. Too many trump for my liking in my news I I mean they got it's almost like they're trying to be is almost like they're doing it to be spiteful is like I want you to see them go for Toronto's though. I mean I seen big as like twenty by fucking fifteen foot. Signs and shouldn't who there's one right around the corner for me because I'm trying to figure out. Beyond the election like I have a Biochem degree like I. Know How to make. On the collects beyond this election, what is the use of this big as sign and or flag? I do love the fact that there was a There's actually a if it was a case here in Michigan where somebody went around and put anywhere. There was a trump sign in their neighborhood. They put a a look alike sign that said racists live here. And that's what I think when I say and they try and what I think when I see it and and it's and like they tried to file a police report they tried to police reports about it and the cops were like look it's it's annoying but it's not a crime to put a sign in someone's yard. Nice neither. Skier have what he's a young. Prime Defame Yep. Or if you were to steal or you're too yep. Anyway. We know fully know skiers voting for. Yeah we definitely know. Skater. He was he was he seriously he an interesting nude that like dealt with Eliza pleasant racist I get it. Dude I literally made him show me his license because I did not believe. So me up pay his actual name which sounds yummy papers I mean how many how many teeth do we have in his At least three did he was missing at least three? I'm GONNA go four. Like he was very. So you know the meam that's got like the redneck in front of the pickup truck that's leaning up against it yet. That was that was that was absolutely scared. Yes. Yeah. We called it didn't even know. Like. He's the guy that thinks that mayonnaise is a word. Like mayonnaise is a lot of people in here. Wow. Yeah. That's Shot. The Skater. Shots Cleveland Magus Arkley the listening. You're you're gonNA have a good time but I can't wait to way to prove you wrong in this one on undergo looking at your face the entirely hugh. I your. anyway, this is to seventy three I. Guess You guys next week after the election. on that note, we are out levy piece.

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Ep 77 Journalist Otis Taylor Jr.

Midlife Mixtape

41:08 min | 11 months ago

Ep 77 Journalist Otis Taylor Jr.

"We have seen more movement in this country in the last week than we had in last fifty years. I really do believe. Welcomed mid-life mix tape the podcast. I'm Nancy. Davis, Co and we're here to talk about the years between being him and breaking one. We do belong. To me. Here. To slung. ream. Hi, this is Nancy and over the next few episodes in the spirit of helping listeners diversify voices that are all up in your ears. I'll be telling you about some great shows created by black podcasters that I think you like. If you enjoy midlife mix tape, the first one is called the other side of forty, and it's a brand new podcast hosted by April grant when April woke up around her fortieth birthday. She realized things were different after talking to her longtime friend, renee a few others. Others. She knew that she was not alone. April discovered that women not only have an awakening moment, but that many women have done phenomenal things with it. We know that here on the midlife take podcast on the other side of forty April Rene talk with women who have used their awakening moment create positive changes in their lives on their blog, podcast and facebook group April and Rene have open discussions about what it means to succeed after forty, so check it out the other side of forty. Hey, everyone I hope you're hanging in there and having a good week in twenty twenty adjusted terms I, don't know if I ever formally apologized for this, but on New Year's Eve December I was at a friend's dinner party and I very definitely yelled at one point. Can you guys feel it I think twenty twenty? It's going to be an awesome year. It's going to be special, so this is clearly all my fault. I brought that on. On before we get into today's interview I want to invite you to participate in our next listener contributed episode. The question I want you to answer is what are your favorite Jenex, summer? Childhood Memories you know those summers of Generation X. is youth and depending on where you were born in the nineteen sixty five ish to one thousand nine hundred eighty ish birth spectrum. Maybe you woke up on an early Saturday morning to watch the only. Only two hours of cartoons that were on TV all week, or maybe you plugged straight into MTV started eating. Your Bowls Count Chocula a guarantee. You left your house or your apartment. Your parents had no idea where you were going. You are on the banana seat bike skateboard rollerskates, whatever and our parents never knew where we were on my right, we didn't have computers. We didn't have smartphones. Maybe you had pong if you're an early adopter. adopter, but the point is our seventies and eighties. childhoods were pretty freaking low-tech, low-budget, low structure, high boredom, and during pandemic twenty twenty not only might feel good to dial ourselves back to those more carefree days, but midlife mixed it listeners who still have kids at home might need reminders of all the fun. You can have with Iraq and roll of caps, or in my case, a quaker oats canister that I turned into a doll house. House for Mitral collection so I want you guys to think about? What are your favorite Jenex? Childhood memories so lots of different ways for you to share your story. You can email me your memories. At Dj at Midlife mix tape dot com, you can send me a tweet or direct message me on Instagram at midlife mix tape. My favorite is when you leave me a voicemail and I've made it so easy. You just go to midlife mix. Mix Tape Dot com, and on the right hand side of the page. You'll see a blue button that says share your favorite Gen-x Childhood Memories. You press the button you start recording straight from your computer and there's a ninety second limits over the long story you could record that as a voice memo an email it to me as we get some really great stuff that come through that little blue button on the midlife mix tape dot. Dot Com page so I. Hope you'll share your story there. One person who sends in a story will win a signed copy of my book. The thank you project cultivating happiness, one letter of gratitude at a time, which is available everywhere online in bookstores that are reopening for audio listening. In case you don't win it. You can still get the book, So send those stories in for the July seventh episode of the episode right after this. This one so I'm gonNA need them by June thirtieth. Okay today. I am thrilled to be joined by one of my favorite writers at the San Francisco Chronicle Otis Taylor Junior. He's the east, Bay columnist, and he writes columns and stories about people making California and specifically. Oakland East Bay an interesting place to live. Stop the presses that so cliche, but I had to say it. Stop the presses because we're going to sit down with Otis. Welcome to the Midlife mixed podcast Otis Taylor Junior. I am so pleased to have you here today. Thank you very much for having me Nancy. Ford to this conversation meets you well. You know the first question we always ask on the show is what was your first concert? And what were the circumstances and given that you were a music writer? In the early part of your career? Typically interested in what you have to say here I, you know my folks took me to a lot of smaller at one say community gatherings, but you know just not the big concert. Concert but I want to reflect on the first major concert I went to that. Was Michael Jackson and it was on the bed tour, so this was nineteen, eighty, seven or eight. Okay, and my aunt took me to that now. This is a time where Michael Jackson was because he was like one of the first artists that I discovered for myself like this. I want to you know. Get this person's music and then. You were when when that was probably like ten eleven. I had gone back and gotten Jackson five I, had gotten into off. The Wall is debut which today still stands up even though his history is quite complicated, but I just remember having this unbridled like energy, and my aunt just looked down on me. She's like it's okay to screen. Just started. Could you know you're seeing this generational talent? Sing live, do all these dance moves, and just you know quite an air, and it just be like. Oh, my Gosh! I can't I can't contain it so I also like a cardboard cut out of standoff life-size Michael Jackson in my room. I mean that really I since then I want to see live music and you know that took me on a path for most of my. My career and I still maintain it well, not now because of the pandemic, but yeah I still go to several shows a month early on in your career, you did work as an arts, culture and music writer, so I'm wondering if there is so, this is when you were a state media company in South Carolina and I'm wondering if there was any particularly memorable concert that you got a chance to cover or wish you. You hadn't had to cover. Maybe whatever there are times where I didn't want to do something, but I ended up having a good time for instance and I. Don't remember the year off the top of my head, but Kenny Chesney scheduled concert in the College Football, stadium, we're talking about eighty thousand seat, and somehow my editor convinced meeting go cover a concert now I do like country music to misconception that that I deal with that. That no because I was a black writer that I didn't have any knowledge of country music, and that's not true because conway. TWITTY was one of my favorites when I really started collecting records George Jones. One of my favorites. George Strait still can bring a tear to my eye. That man actually made me cry at one of his arena concert, but Kenny Chesney now come on. That's pop country and it's I don't know it's to formulate for my taste, but I understand at this point in time, Kenny. Chesney was one of the biggest pop acts in the world. Right and my editor conventionally like you know Europe music writer. It's coming to your backyard. You need to do this, so I did it and I was kind of upset, but I will tell you this Nancy I wrote several stories that night. was on a Saturday night, and I got out there to cover the tailgate, and the tailgaters out there as soon as the gates open for it felt like a football game, probably like nine ten in the morning. I will tell you by Twel. Those tailgaters had had me drunk. Everyone I've talked to wanted to give me a shot or give me a beer and it was funny. My editor was like you know mid afternoon. He was like man. You sound like you having a good holiday. I sound like I needed a nap. Get just. As exactly I mean I, had I let someone gave me A. Shirt Dan made, and said I love Kenny Chesney I was wearing at around for the rest of the day, but as it happened, this concert was the kickoff to his stadium tour that summer, and on the first song There's this platform underneath the state that elevated Chesney to appear on stage, so he's coming from below elevated platform and his foot got stuff in platform. And you could see him like pain trying to like get his foot out. People running on the stage that help him in the bank playing. This guy performed for almost two hours with a broken foot. Anything like it. They had to at the hospital like he got rushed to hospital. After the show, they had to cut his boot off. I believe to address the foot to cancel or postpone many concert dates and You know because. I was there and we had it immediately. This is before the even before like all publications are rushing to get online for and My story went viral. Word out being good show for you after all not yet him, but yeah you. Yes, well, you know I. Grew up with a just a deep seated loathing of Barry Manilow as a kid in the seventies could not stand berryman alone. It turns out one of my writer. Friends who I met as an adult is a huge fan, low huge and she would say to me. You gotta go check out. You know you have to go see him alive because she knows how much I like to go, see concerts. And he was coming to San Jose and I thought this is probably seven or eight years ago and I bought it I said. I'm going to get a ticket. I feel like I should. Should. Go, and she said I'm flying in to go with you because you don't you know you need somebody to take you through so and it turned to be such a fun night because nobody has any pretension whatsoever if they're at a Barry Manilow, concert and people are doing kick lines, and they're waving glow sticks I'm like you know what this man puts on a fine show. I am glad I. Checked it out still probably not favorite, but I think it's good to get out of your comfort zone once in awhile, right? Yea, I don't know. I probably would use that assignment Barry Manilow. Jealous S now. If you comes again and I don't know that he can cause. I don't know if the Cryogenic Chamber is opening or not, but if he ever consent I'll take you with me. We will have fun. It's really. A He's you know he's a talented guy and he's got. He knows enough to use a lot of stagecraft to make it magical and what I like about seeing these older performers as you're out of there. Ninety minutes tops like you're back in your par- Yeah, that's very true. Speaking of Midlife speaking of things that we say it midlife that we didn't say twenty. One of the things that I love. It was the way that we can sometimes look back at a longer career and figure out that you know. We were headed for a different path, or maybe we. We ended up back where we started. And in your case you were reported for twelve years. Then you went into tech for awhile in, and you came back to journalism when you join the Francisco Chronicle in two thousand sixteen, so i WanNa talk a little bit about what made you leave journalism to go into high tech? And then what made you come back to it? Oh, the answer wine left. Journalism initially was because I followed a woman across the country I was. Living in south, Carolina and I. Felt that you know I had accomplished so much at my previous publications called the state newspaper, and you know I was looking for something else. I mean I had lived around my family for all my life and I just I wanted something different, not necessarily something more just something different and at the time I was thirty five years old and I figured I'm only getting older. I need to do something and I was sitting in Washington. Square think it was October. Nineteenth two thousand and twelve, and it's just two of us, and she goes I'm moving to San. Francisco and you should come to right there I was like. Let's do it. She moved in February. Twenty thirteen I followed in August the twenty thirteen. You know only thing I said was fundus apartment that you know I will like I've come very particular, and fortunately she had a good friend out. There 'cause you know San Francisco prices were already getting high in two twenty thirteen. She found a a wonderful apartment in the mission so when our friends, so we rented. Rented a room and thinking back on that decision now I'm so fortunate that I did make that decision, but when I arrived, and I tried my hand at Tech. It took you know a year and a half to realize for me that I'm making money more money than I. Ever have before, but I'm so unsatisfied. I'm just working on teams that are building products just harvest user data that can be sold. Right with me and again we're in this moment in time where we're having a reckoning in society and I felt almost in in technology when people would hear my voice on the telephone, you know, 'cause a lot of conference call their reaction to me was very different than when they would meet me in person and I just felt that. I just felt that I needed to do something more so my last job, it was actually kind of hyper local news startup. That's what we called it and it just reminded me of how much I I needed journalism to connect with people, and in my spare time at their job, odd work twelve hours, and then I. Find Myself Walking around San. Francisco and the people I was connecting with were people who were sheltered. In a young woman who? Just came upon her. She was cutting up this rug that you know. She was sitting beside it don't dumpster and something compelled me to just say hey, do you mind if I sit down and I just started listening to her and turns out that she had a really fascinating life story and hung out with her for a night, and wrote a story just posted on my meeting, not for any publication just just to post just to. Why and it turns out that you know that story was the one my current editor right now down while she was you know just doing some background checking on me and she's like that. Is You know what we're looking for? Is someone who wants to humanize? Don't judge the people who are unsheltered and really talk to them about their lives. Because you know, everyone has a sword right when I. When I reached out to you one the thing that compelled me was that over the past months you've written so much about people who have been adversely affected by covert and cannot access resources that the rest of us can, because they are undocumented they. Can't read. Maybe they don't have online access and you wrote a column about the fact. That so many of your readers had reached out to provide support for those people, and it's these little glimmers of better pictures of humanity that keep me going from day to day in a challenging time, but the story has shifted since I I I invited you on the show in that, you are a black reporter who is covering stories of black and people of color in the bay area and we are. Talking against the backdrop of the protests against George Floyd and Briana Taylor's murderers and I just wanted i. mean honestly if you want, here's the Mike you can. You just speak on it whatever you need to say, but you know. I did kind of want to start by talking about when the chronicle brought you on. Why is that representation so important? Why when we read a newspaper, we click on an online newspaper. Why is it so important that we see stores? People who met don't necessarily look like everyone we know. That that was very important. Actually when I was interviewing for the position, I made sure. To tell editors that I wasn't interested in telling stories from the top down meaning, I wasn't interested in writing about homelessness by only or primarily talking to city officials about what they were doing or policymakers. That doesn't help what really has an impact on the city. Officials and policy is when you go from the bottom up and you show live experience You get an understanding and I think a lot of that has to do with you know who I am what my background is! Is and a willingness to reach out to non white communities and I to me. I feel that's important because we're in this moment where there are, there's been this awakening for for a lot of white Americans to the systemic police brutality, systemic racism that still exist in this country, but I've been doing this work since you know. Since I became a journalists in two thousand sixteen highlight voices that have been dismissed for instance in Blayo, which is east of Oakland there have been this. Long History of police violence against black and Brown men and women, and it wasn't until a mid Westerner died, and that death was recorded and broadcast to the world that city official now are speaking publicly about the need for reform and change in the city and I feel those leaders need to be held in account because for the last three years I've been writing sharing the community voices of people with lived experience who had family members die because the police violence and they have been dismissed. And so I feel as a journalist. It is my duty to give people a more accurate portrayal of situations particularly when it comes to police narratives, because the narrative is always one that makes the police look better than what the situation suggests, and you know with the advent of requiring. Police body cameras. We're seeing something completely different. Take. George Ford. For example does four officers would not have been fired or charge if that video didn't exist? Because those police offers would have come back and created a narrative that was palpable for police brass, even though there were dozens of witnesses who would say something different that is what needs to change what I say, please accountability. It's not just oversight or reform. It's also internal. The police have to acknowledge when their officers do wrong. Wrong, because not every sheet is good. Not everyone does not use excessive use of force and I feel that police officers need to just be able to call out the behavior of they'll officers because again I'd like to make myself clear because you have had a pushback from some union police unions in the Bay Area I'm not suggesting that all police officers are bad. I've never want to justice, but there are police officers in certain department. Cool have an impact on be a behavior of. Of within the Department when you have training officers who had been accused multiple times of excessive use of force who have been accused of fatally shooting people who didn't need to be shot, and there's training the next wave of officers right there the next generation that's problematic more than happy. Yeah, that has to be seen as a problem that can't be because their tenant or sergeant. We just let it go. No, you have to address that and that's kind of my mission in this. This moment that we're in while also nancy, not forgetting impact that it has this corona virus has on non white communities when I write about the shelter people living on the street, I always bring up the racial component, and there's readers are like why you always make it about race. We'll here's a statistic. Black people in Oakland are less than thirty percent of the population intact in two thousand ten. It was around twenty eight percent. Who knows what it's going to be? Two Thousand and twenty after Decade of displacement right so twenty eight percent of the population is black. Seventy percent of the homeless population is Black Brat be investigated like why is that Mari Research has shown you know everything from access to opportunities from jobs to food housing affordability displacement that you know really began in earnest well I won't say began ernest accelerated in earnest in two thousand eight during the housing crisis. We have to be able to look at that approach a statistic like that and say okay. Okay this is racially. It's racially impacting the city, and you cannot address the issue without looking at the racial component that that's been my point since I joined the chronicle and I. think that's what you do so well. Is You take those Let me just blow a little smoke. those statistical things and you turn two stories that we relate to so I am thinking. Just stuff the top of my head. You did a story probably a couple months ago now about a family who had A. Shoe, repair business and how they had to close. You know it was a big family depending on income from this business, and you read that story and you re these are not statistics. These are people who are really suffering who are out of work who can't do a thing that they've been able to do to support their families, and even so we're probably living paycheck to paycheck or could have been and I think that's the real gift of good journalism. Journalism, good storytelling and good local journalism. Because that's the point I want to make to is that if you're listening and you're not subscribing to your local news source, you've got to wonder. Who else do you think is GonNa look into the problems of specific aspects of homelessness in your community for instance or specific decisions, being made in your city, government and I think of not just Otis's work, but Heather Knight who writes for the Chronicle and I swear. Swear she's. She has the best blood. How knows for figuring out whereas their dysfunction in San Francisco city government and sniffing it out and figuring it out and driving real change at a at a macro level, because they're good at telling the stories of what the impact is at the micro level, the other day you and Yulon to James, did a beautiful photo journalism piece that showed photos of Bay area black folks who are out protesting and talking to them. Them about why they're protesting. And it was just it was so moving. It was so beautifully done, and it's a thing that I worry about what how are we? GonNa Cover these stories locally when the newspapers continue to consolidate I, wonder if you have thoughts about the changing landscape, and and what people can do to support local press. You know to support that kind of storytelling of of your own neighbors wherever you are listening to to me right now. Yeah, you know Nancy I. Don't have any good ideas beside asking people to support local journalism. Because think of like this, we're also your neighbors, so the stories that were tracking down in the stories that we're writing stories that we're reporting. It impacts us and you and without that Kinda without that watch dog. Public officials tend to not do what's in the best interest of the broader community. Hence, we're having now discussions about how cities, counties and states, and even the whole country have treated non white community for decades centuries now, and that's because you know we have existed in the system that hasn't favored equity and. and Equality Now I know that that shoe repair shop that are wrote about that. You mentioned that was something that spoke to me. Because know I live in the neighborhood that is really overly white, but the shoe repair shop. Was You know one of the few businesses owned by a person of color? And here we are you know not in week into the pandemic and they're already struggling. Why is that? Why is that? Why is it that this business applies for P. P. and they get? They got something like sixteen hundred dollars, but you know the Los Angeles. Lakers got several million. Why is that? Why are we helping out this professional franchise that selling all sorts of merchandise and you know we're not helping the neighborhood shoe cobbler, those are questions that journalists are presenting with the goal at least for my coverage to push for more equitable society in, but throughout the country. You know we have what we call news. Desert's where there isn't the local journals you know. Newspapers of shutdown publications are they're shrinking? That's what they're doing and. And I. That's going to have a term impact on communities where people live, because when information is not betted when information is not challenge, then politicians are allowed to set an agenda that they want because no one is watching. No one is questioning now until it's too late until decisions have ordered been made, it's hard to reverse, and then it's the communities that field in and also there is a segment of the population and I. I speak from experience because my inbox is full of that segment right now, who don't want to acknowledge what the protests are for. They want only focus on violence, the destruction people who are not connected to this move and have no knowledge, and who are so far removed that they have no understanding of what systemic racism the havoc it has wreaked on this country they want to turn the protest into something they're. They're not I mean if we're today is what June tenth. If we turn on Fox News now, you're still seeing. Images used a protest from May Twenty, eighth and May twenty ninth. Why is that? It's because so many in this country. Do not want to acknowledge what is happening right now. It is problematic. It's upsetting the balance this upsetting order that we all lived under without acknowledging how order disenfranchised non white communities in this country. And I think what you're seeing in media right now is a reckoning. Several editors have lost their jobs because they thrived under a system that didn't want to include perspective of other journalists didn't want to include. From people who were coming from communities that had been on the outside in this country, and now we're seeing that publications who do not have journalists of color are really feeling the brunt of that, but even publications like the San Francisco Chronicle that has a few, not enough a few. Journalists of color are seeing the impact of that my colleague. Justin Phillips was covering alleged looting in Emoryville and police stopped him and they didn't believe he was a journalist. It's not enough to have a badge that shows you are a journalist. Because police are not accustomed to see journalists of color, it's the same way that people are racially profiled by police. Generals are also be while monthly. That's another problem that I think media companies are having to reckon with as well right. You've been at the chronicle since two thousand sixteen, and before we started recording, we were talking about Kapernick. And you know different a an earlier protest that didn't. Didn't catch fire the way this one has so I'm wondering. Does this moment in time feel different to you from inside? The newsroom will why? because. You know in recent column I went back and in time and various uprisings and fifty three years ago during the nineteen sixty seven race riots, where one hundred and fifty cities in the country had uprisings, and there was destruction and burning of property, and the federal government commissioned a report called the Kerner Commission I. Urge Whether Your listeners are. Or want to enhance their knowledge base to look that up because it was a commission commissioned by the president of the United States that found that what the country was witnessing was directly related to how White Society didn't allow Black Society to have any type of opportunity I mean it was job. It was housing and backed the report called out why societies saying that you know White Society established Shit, you know. Know? White Society benefits and whites inside condolences that report was dismissed so of course fifty years later when cities burn politician, this time are listening. They are hearing it, but that's only because it's been broadcast. We have seen more movement in this country in the last week than we had in last the I really do believe, and that's because it's not something that's going to be in a month or two months. Months People will be held accountable for now on because people have their voices, and they have ally ship from communities that have largely been silent for far too long. That is why this is different. This is different because it's a collective push to see more quality in this country. That's encouraging. That's encouraging. Just you know. The the challenge for all of us is to keep our foot on the gas to keep. Keep showing up opening their wallets in a way that supports that equality's speaking out on behalf of, but mostly just listening to the stories of people who are directly impacted. If we're not in that if we're not in that category, and it feels different to me, too, but also don't at all, so don't think I'm qualified to say that so I. Appreciate You Sharing Your Perspective on that and and I. I, do want to circle back to the reason I thought of inviting you on originally, which was that I? It sounds like when you share stories of marginalized communities or people who are facing struggle. The readership of the chronicle does tend to step up, is that? Has that been pretty consistent experience for you? Yeah, yes, I feel that, you know. Most readers will express support I mean I I. Get a lot. Lot of readers who are surprised you know that people are living in poverty or substandard conditions for instance, the undocumented immigrant I featured I mean he's living in a home where there's two other families living eleven photo people and we're talking about the middle of the pandemic, and they're all undocumented. This is happening in the bay area right now. It's not some far phone place. It's not how we allowed. Allowed messaging to proliferate on immigrants. No, this is hard working people who don't have access to their jobs because of the pandemic. I find that in this moment in the wake of George, Floyd murder that again? A lot of readers have reached out to me to to express outrage, but then also surprised that this is happening. What does that tell you about? The job? Media has done I mean that. That says we failed our readers our listeners. Maybe maybe part of it is that they just didn't WanNa. Hear but I think a large part of it. Is that these there having been stories focused on? You know their neighbors, their friends. Their colleagues their servers all only people who coexist with them the people that they ride next to embark. That has to be fixed because these people have lives to. Have lives, but I think what what I've seen from readers is that? Readers have the means like they want to help. They just haven't had an outlet to health. And you know. I've become kind of a conduit that okay. Well you want support this person well. Yes, I will be the bridge that will funnel. If you send me a check, I will pass that along because or you know. Send you some where where that person who could pass along to them because within document immigrant I. I didn't feel comfortable. Giving out his email address to turn or get out his address because I don't I don't know they're going to grow through. And that takes you know some extra work, but I'm willing to do that because it's not that I want encourage people to open up their wallets I. Want people to open up their eyes. I want them to see the people that maybe they've looked past and not. Not Maybe ball of their own, but also because how we've been socialized in this country to think of the person that is unsheltered, though the person that is that is undocumented as other as the person. That's you know trying to siphon all our resources are hard work, and that's just not the case. If you look at the history of this country, people have been actively held down by the system and that needs. Needs to be addressed and I really am hopeful that this was a moment that we will see some progress, and we already have in the last week. Well I? Think diversifying your media in take an easy first step for everybody who's listening you know, seek out voices that are telling stories like Otis does of of people who you may not run into on your day to day and look for new sources that. Are Sharing the stories of your whole neighborhood, not just the little part that you move around and so. All. Right Oh to save tumor questions for you. One is when we always say at the end of the PODCAST, but I have to circle back to this. Are you still together with the lady who you moved out here with? No No No, no! Someone, who is one of the most important people in my life, and I don't mean that in just abstractly I mean we talk when you know we talk a lot. Of the West Coast so we're all grateful to her so. I. Without without her prodding in encouragement I would still be in Columbia South Carolina most likely so I, I guess for her. Parents are actually sending me math so Me Math facemask the. They've themselves so our last On chattels like Hey, can you send me some of them? What I heard was her. Parents are sending me math like matic's I'm like does. Work as he so bored I mean I. Believe me started doing puzzles during the pandemic. That's. That's how desperate I am for activity all right so the last question is what one piece of advice do you have for people younger than you or do you wish you could go back and tell yourself? ooh, they've more money. At it, no because. Like having capital is power, and you know I'm about to turn forty three in fall, and you know not only. Am I thinking about? You know my rating day on money for more and more things that I want to do, but I'm also thinking about. Am I saving enough in my 401k I nothing my Ra I, wish you know when I was in my twenties and living fast and free which boy Nancy I was out there I'll look advantage of it. I I lived hard in my twenties, the hard living music Gremlin. I was out there. Good Times. Good Times, but yes, I wish I wish I would have set aside more in for instance you know I'm out here in the bay area now and I don't know if it's possible for me to afford to buy a home and yeah, that's something to consider so that's something that I would have liked to tell myself, but that's also because in this society like we. We don't do enough teaching you know. I took an economics course, but economics was about how economic systems work instead of you need to say money, and how to answer your future and I think. Think. That's something missing in our curriculum as well as discussions about race, it's not just black history month and Mlk Day right I think we should just cut it off there except I. Am an essay, you know. I'm going to get your ticket to Barry. Manilow because you're gonNA thank me. Will we go see that show in triumph? We're going to love it. Okay. I will go to a concert with you because the company will be fun if we ever can go back into concert halls Otis I mean that's like this is the fifth episode row where I've been like. When I'm sad that I can't go to concerts. Sorry it just. It's still there. I'm still sad but someday. I hope so I hope so I. Hope so soon because one of my favorite artists coming to the bay area and August long beard. Small Indie rock harder, but her west coast tour was cancelled in March and now I'm just holding out. Hope that I can go. See your play in my backyard while wearing a mask. All right well Otis. Thank you so much for being on the show Otas, Taylor Junior, you'll find his column in the San Francisco Chronicle. I recommend you subscribe to the chronicle wherever you are. There's a digital edition that's chock-full and thank you so much for your time and for your insights today. Hey, thank you so much. Ravamanana enjoyed our conversation. After Otis I talked I did a little bit of research on local journalism and I pulled. You guys some quick stats from Niemann lab, which is a really great website and resource studies, the newspaper industry. Did you know that more than sixty five million Americans live and counties with only one local newspaper, or like those in Youngstown Ohio know newspapers at all according to November twenty nineteen report from the Brookings Institute and according to Pew report from the same year, only fourteen percent of adults and only nine percent. PERCENT OF THOSE AGE thirty to forty nine per se, they pay for local news faced with their own extinction. Newspapers are getting creative for sure they're selling memberships. They're looking for philanthropic sponsors. 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The Spotlight Effect

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The Spotlight Effect

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Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert. And I'm Joe McCormick, and today we're going to be talking about mostly focusing on a classic psychology paper about an effect in in a kind of social cognitive bias known as the spotlight effect. But to get into this subject, I wanted to start off by thinking about something that a lot of people have found themselves doing in the past few months, people who maybe this wasn't part of your job very much recently. But now you spend a significant portion of your day in web video meetings staring at little boxes of your coworkers faces on a computer screen or maybe just staring at your own face a lot. Yes. In, fact right now is I recording this, we are using zoom call. We're using zoom conference room to communicate with each other and using some other programs and whatnot to to actually record it. But. Yeah. A of people are having to be using something different might be using. What is like Google meet Microsoft meeting like facebook law by. A million of them. Right? I mean, this is Han opted, Graham. off the ground. Industry, figuring out and it makes sense right. We need to still be able to connect with each other. We still need to have meaningful meetings and all of those less meaningful meetings. In order to keep the gears of business. Grinding away right. Yeah, and one of the strange things I've noticed and I've read other people noticing the exact same thing is that. You might expect that being able to do a meeting from your home over the Internet would be maybe less exhausting than a meeting in person, but somehow I have not found it to be the case. I. Found that like video chats can be just intensely draining like after their over, you feel like you've been lifting weights or something. And part of what's going on here. I found very much embodied in the spirit of of an article that I saw linked to. It's just a medium post. I. Want to be very clear that I'm not passing judgment on the author here at nothing wrong with with this person, but the title of it just gave me chills and the title of this medium post was how to fake eye contact during video chats and why it's important. Yes. this. This was This is interesting. This was a what a a medium article by Alexa Curtis, and they made three key suggestions you. The first one is use a Webcam. Even if no one else is. The second. Is Trick yourself into looking at the camera instead of at the screen. Impossible. And, then tape your crops, your notes, whatever to your monitor, as much as possible instead of having to refer to like a notepad or something. Yeah. The suggestion is make a little fake face to go around the Webcam box. Looking into the camera instead of at the screen, but I just don't think it's like if your face is played back on the screen unless you are able to turn your face off for yourself. The you just you're not gonNA be able to help it or you yeah I actually before I read this I kind of thought because I catch myself doing this. Now. Now, I. Should say that I am lucky in that I do not have to set through hours and hours of meetings, Abeyance Zoom. I. Have Friends who are definitely stuck in that boat and they seem exhausted by it. We use zoom in these recordings. But for the most part, we're not actually engaging video part of it. We have other stuff. We have notes up we're looking at. Recording? But I have found this to be the case with my dungeons and dragons group which used to meet in person. But now forced to meet the zoom, and we have this you know, and it's like two or three hour zoom called journalists. Three hours in call do once a week to do. Dragons, and for some reason I'd been noticing that I just felt kind of worn out by it towards the end of of the night. In ways that I wasn't worn out previously meeting in person like I, just Kinda felt. Zapped. By it. If we were battling something at the end. I'm just kind of going through the motions. I just not feeling it more that point. Yeah. Exact. Same experience. I've done social stuff via video Kohl's. I've also been doing a D. campaign my my first ever by the way. Oh, God. Thank you over over zoom and it's been a lot of fun. But yes, it is. It is kind of exhausting to just participate in the in the eyeball tennis of of the different video faces on the screen something about it hooks its claws into your brain and just polls and stretches, and Kinda needs your brain like a ball of dough. Now fortunately, I don't know how campaigns going with. Ours were also using a couple of other resources, reasonable discord forum using role twenty to pull up maps and such. So maybe maybe we should upgrade our technology it's looking into, but but basically, we have some other things to captivate our is during this process I, guess one of the things about a straight up. Business Zoom meeting is a lot of times you're just stuck in. Those Brady? Bunch. Cubes, right. You're just you're stuck with all these little screen pictures of people, and in some sometimes you have it set to where one will take dominance over the others that you may just be looking at wall people's faces, and then you're thinking about a again, this point of should I be making eye contact with everybody said Ivy? Focusing on trying to be the most presentable, you know the most professional looking like when they look at my little box, it's like watching TV broadcast and I'm making direct contact with them. Maybe by because I have a little sticky smiling face that have put up at the top of my computer by the CAM. There are multiple ways in which this type of interaction is not normal I mean, of course, it's not normal, be interfacing through technology at all. All. Of course, it's Kinda strange that you're not looking at the person, but you're looking at the screen. So the eye contact is off I understand that that point in the article. But at the same time, it is not normal to be able to see yourself while you're talking to people like imagine if you know you were always talking to people with a mirror in your hand that was reflecting your face yet, people would rightly think you're insane. Thousand how self-obsessed, you're you. Or I don't know where afraid of organs that you always had to have a mere in your hand and you had that's the reality we find ourselves. And I know this is this is not just like our particular reaction to this. This is something that that I've read about in multiple popular articles. Also, not just an obscure scientific articles like article I came across in his business insider that was called like why you can't stop staring at yourself. Zoom calls. Yes. So this was by Sheera fedor. Titled Cyber Psychologists Explains, why you can't stop staring yourself on zoom calls and everyone else is probably doing same. which I have caught myself doing this sometimes during Denison and dragons sometimes during work calls where you want to check in you WanNa, see how you're presenting to the rest of the world, but then it's often easy to sort of. To. You're looking at these faces and then you decide to maximize your own and you're like, all right. Let's see how the light hitting me. What's my hair doing right now? How presented my smiling? Weird. Smiling. Weird. Why look engage or do I look as board as I? Feel you know? And so that's what. Since. Article gets into a little of that year. So article discusses some points made by Cyber Psychologist Andrew Frankly. So the first one is that in general adolescence tend to suffer from the imaginary audience to. The idea that people in the surrounding, the are really paying attention to move they make, and this often follows us into adulthood as well. Yeah, and this I think is pretty close to or perhaps even just another name for the main issue, we're going to be focusing on today otherwise known as the spotlight effect. Yes. Now, one thing about this point about adolescence. Of course, terrifying to think about given the nature of social media, which is pretty much predicated on the the sort of celebrity. Inspiring. A notion of a constant audience and in one tends to drift to extremes in reaction to that. Right of this. Feeling that every word I put on the internet or a video every whatever is vitally important. It won't be viewed by potentially everyone in the world. Yes. You're not just constantly on view. You are constantly being reviewed is the perception. Yeah. Now, obviously, that's going to vary from person person there. Some people are going to the media in a way that as far more limited scope only. Close friend may be family making just one person can see. But it does make me wonder in this would have to be a discussion for another time. I like just what? What? What is happening when this spotlight effect, this imaginary audience delusion is playing. into art use of social. Media? Yeah. But also So this psychology professor, Andrew Franklin also makes the point that like it. It's not just an illusion that like video chats are actually exhausting. Yeah. Yeah. You make the point that video chats are more stressful than in person meetings and a big part of that is just everything is more distracted more fragmented. In we have muted or severely lessened nonverbal communication skills. So I think. A lot of this kind of an over statement of the obvious. But you can do far less with your body language, not only your overt body language like talk with your hands and waving down people the other side of the table. But in terms of just having a bodily awareness of what everyone is doing and how they are sort of reacting to what's going on and if someone else's about to speak or needs to. Yes and it's actually hard to tell who's looking at who like. You can assume if there are a bunch of Brady. Bunch boxes that people are probably looking if they're not looking at themselves, probably looking at the person who's currently talking, but maybe not you can't tell, yeah, and and it's also weird to like I guess. Maybe, some of you out there had more of like a rules of order kind of. Upbringing or or you know you have some more training? Okay. This is how. Mrs. How of Business Meeting Goes Hell work meeting operates. But for my part, I live is just kind of learn as you go sir figure out what is the culture of this group and this meeting and and how am I supposed to fit in and then to a certain extent feels like we had to relearn. Relearn all of that or augment our understanding of that based on the limitations of the knowledge. Yeah. I. Think that's totally right and and I would I would emphasize yet again that not all digital socialization skills are are interchangeable or transferable to one another. So you might have been well acclimatized to the social skills. One needs in order to interact through a different type of mediated social media like. FACEBOOK, or? Twitter. And still not really have any skills for how to interact via video chat is just like a different set of skills different set of things to get used to. Different talking stick entire. Now, Franklin also drives him even strain of keeping up with everyone's tiny boxes and concern over how you yourself look in your box. You might easily find yourself just looking at yourself, staring into the Digital Mirror, fixating on how you appear to friends, coworkers and bosses and Franklin maintained that this means you're likely overwhelmed by proceedings. I totally get again even with the low stakes confines of Dungeons and dragons. Nothing huge is on the line here. But by the end of this session, again, I often find myself kinda zapped in ways that I never felt before within person gaming, and even though we're scaring in to that digital reflection of our own face of Franklin stresses that people are ultimately not fixating on you like you think they are they not sitting there watching you and dot setting everything about your appearance and your background what your face is doing any given set? Yeah. No, they're probably much more likely fixating on themselves. The same way you are fixating on yourself. And so this brings us back to the cognitive bias that we're going to be focusing on today's episode also known as the spotlight effect, and this effect is very interesting because on one hand I. Think it's one of the simplest psychological phenomenon we've ever talked about on the show. It's actually very simple to observe. It's very straightforward in away, but it's one of those things where if you really internalize it, its implications could be kind of life changing. Yeah. It's one of the things that doesn't I wouldn't say that it really like changes. The nature of your reality, but it brings certain aspects of it into maybe sharper focus might realize. Oh, well. Okay. Bad. Explains some of the things I feel when I am in a meeting or you know just walking around. In a public space or or whatever the case may be. I feel like it does. It does it does feel like a revelation of something way. Yeah. So the main paper that I wanted to focus on today was published in the year two thousand in the Journal of Personality and social. Psychology by Thomas Guillevic of Victoria who's. Back and Kinison Ski, and it's called the spotlight effect in social judgment and egocentric bias in estimates of the salience of one's own actions and appearance. You can pretty easily find a full pdf of this online if you want to read it, and this is a highly cited paper, it has been referred to many many times in the years since as a kind of seminal work on this on this social cognitive bias. So the author begin with some anecdotal observations and these observations are that for both good and ill, it often seems like stuff. You expect other people to notice in recall about you really goes unnoticed and also on the good side. Side that might be like something smart that you said in a discussion group. You're like really pleased with yourself that like, Oh, I had that really insight or I made that really funny joke, and then it turns out later that nobody else seems to recall that you said anything or perhaps This often actually happens in athletic contexts where people will make a really good in a basketball game or something, and they will expect people to remember that they did that. But then maybe it turns out that nobody really noticed just kind of was one of the goals in a game in which many goals were scored and as frustrating as this can be. Be. Relief, that it works. The other way to people often don't seem to have noticed when you make what feels like a really obvious mistake live four paw, a first meeting or when you miss speak and what feels like an embarrassing way or that time he had spinach in your teeth like you obsess over that and you're afraid it's going to completely ruin your reputation that everybody's GonNa. Remember you for that thing forever. But a lot of times it seems like maybe nobody even noticed, yeah. The dual nature of this particular revelation. I think ultimately is positive because, yeah. Maybe it means you're not as important as you thought your, maybe you're not as. Explosive Personality is thought your down the other hand. Maybe, the stakes are a little bit lower, ever open your mouth. That's the hypothesis at the heart of this paper. These anecdotal observations are indicative of a real trend that can be measured that in general humans have an EGO centric by us that causes us to believe that our actions and our appearance are much more salient and notable to other people than they really are quote. People tend to believe that more people take note of their actions. Actions and appearance than is actually the case we dubbed this putative phenomenon. The spotlight effect people tend to believe that the social spotlight shines more brightly on them than it really does. Yeah. This is insight on I. Think we can all match us up pretty easily first of all with our own experiences, but also with some of the ideas that we discussed on the show before. Specifically First of all the self narrative aspect of our dots, Marino through the inner workings of consciousness for constantly weaving together a story about who we are and how we fit in the world. It's a little movie and where the main character. So of course, we're the most important person in that story, right? You're trying to link together a series of what are in fact sort of. Of random events into a cohesive narrative with the logic to it right. And then through theory of mind, we're constantly running simulations about the mental states of other people, specific people, people in general known people, Unknown People, sort of hypothetical people of and and of course, one of the key aspects of any of these simulations is, how do they relate to me? How do they think about me? What are their intentions toward me? In, that makes sense. Right. There was an inherently self centered quality to the sort of thinking because it all comes down to individual survival. We tend to err on the side of seeing tigers in the grass when there are nine, which is better of the two possible gambles here, but it also means going through life perpetually imagining how the Tigers sees you. Yeah, and so this is in some ways the exact social. Social equivalent of the agency detection overdrive were you over interpret a crack of a twig as tiger in the grass here you over interpret. Any little thing that you think may be going wrong in a social interaction as something that people will notice and remember and judge you four. So maybe we should take a quick break, and then when we come back, we can get a little bit further into this study. Everybody. What does twenty twenty mean for small businesses? What means you have to do more with less? 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The idea that we overestimate the salience of our appearance and our behavior to other people, and the authors here note several lines of previous research that help point to this conclusion one of them is first of all, this may not. Not Be surprising at all, but people do tend to have ego centric biases that you can measure quite easily in in in tests. These are biases that overstate the importance of the Self Just one example they cite is a paper by Ross and sickly published in Nineteen, seventy, nine called egocentric biases and availability and attribution and show. It showed this in the realm of what's called a responsibility allocation who did. Did, how much and how important was what they did. So there's several different ways you can test for this Maybe discussion groups may be in household chores, maybe in basketball teams, quote, one's own contributions to a joint product are more readily available, that is more frequently and easily recalled individuals accepted more responsibility for group product than other participants attributed to them. So the easy way of thinking about this is our. Our team won because I scored that goal. Yeah. I found this particularly telling the authors point out that that research indicates that when individuals undertake complex social interactions, they alternate between the roles of Speaker or actor and listener or observer. But much of their attention is ultimately going to be directed and and in many cases at planning and executing own responses, and I think we can relate to this you know. When those times when you haven't quite zoned out on meeting, you're not just or conversation. You're not just a out here thinking about the wars in the back of your head. No, you're focusing instead on the thing, they were getting ready to say your introduction into the conversation at the joke that you are intending to make when you get the talking stick Because ultimately, that's often a part of any kind of to relay or or A. Larger conversation is win. Win Is it GONNA, be my turn, and how am I going to make the most out of my time? Speak I believe there's actually a name for this exact defect. It's a different thing that's been done I mean, obviously, it's very related to the stuff we're talking about but I think it's called the next in line fact where you can measure that people have less recall of if you if you like sit in a circle and go around the circle them to speak people have less recall of the person who spoke right before them than they do of everybody else because you know when the person right before you is talking, you're planning what you're going to say. Yeah. And it means that when one thinks back on a meeting. So you're in this meeting, you have this period of time where you're you're applying most of your cognitive thought efforts toward preparing for your own words, and then when you think back on it, you're more likely to remember the thing that you were focused on at the time, your own words, your own contribution. because. That's where that's where you're spending the resources. The exception to this however would be ones could contribution required little effort like instead of plotting to interject something that will make everyone laugh pursuing some specific strategic aim in the meeting? What if it was just the part of the meeting where every week your boss says, Hey, Roy, what are the numbers just read us the numbers real quick, and then you read the number something quick in normal like that. Now the exception to this they mentioned would be passive observers, people who are in the meeting but. Are. Not. Planning to have the talking stick at any point. Don't have any kind of accurate the meeting or if they do maybe it is just reading the stats. They don't have a larger role to play. So they might well focused more on other people in the meeting they are. They are going to be the ones that are going to be more likely to notice what you say or do that totally makes sense to me. I, I think I have much better recall of meetings where I am not expected to speak that being said, and this is this is me the authors here, but I suspect that. The. Passive observers are also far more likely to be thinking about Star Wars. Or. What their to buy groceries school later. The supernatural biker movies. Or here's a big win. We didn't even get into this, but via zoom call. It has a tremendous ability to just simply go to other websites during the call and still look basically attentive right? Because he just be looking at the screen either way. Yeah. There's your excuse folks, digital hooky. Anybody tried just putting up like a FA- like I know, you can insert backgrounds on these video. Kohl's putting up a background that has a photo of them in it. So it looks like they're sitting there I bet somebody has somebody out there has gotten a little bit bored. Figured out a way to make it would be it would be kind of the equivalent of didn't homer. Simpson, have some glasses at one point. Made him look like he was awake? Yes. It's when he's in. He's on a jury and He's expected to be paying attention, but he is sleeping. That's right. That's right. I remember that. wideawake lasts in one of the other jurors snark on him. Yes. So so anyway, the effect here I think is pretty straightforward if an action stands out in your own mind for whatever reason you're going to end up thinking it was more important in some objective sense than it actually was and So in other words if people overestimate the relevance of their own actions in an objective sense, wouldn't they also overestimate how relevant their actions are subject of lead to other people? Yeah. Yeah. The authors also point out that in many cases, it might not matter. It may be quote overlooked when joint endeavors do not require explicit allocations of responsibility. But obviously, sometimes, this is not the case. Yeah. If particularly makes me think of. A frequent trope you see in films, the villainous meetings when you have villains around a table, generally having a meeting, a having the sort of you know dark more antagonistic version of our regular real life. Business, meetings. The meetings of Specter in the early James Bond Yeah. We're both would have the have the command consoled like electrocute somebody's chair. Yeah. Or another favorite of minor the meetings. You see the imperial meetings in like Star Wars, new hope or in rogue one, we have the likes of Darth vader in Grandma Parkin or or in critic you know they're they're they're all objectively there. They're all talking about giving you get the death star up and running. But these are all highly egotistical and self focused individuals and they all seen each pretty focused on their own key role than everything, and they're certainly not about like elevating the project itself above personal ambition yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're clearly like trying to stick up for their own branch is dangerous to your starfleet commander, not to my battle station. Yeah. Okay. A few more previously observed a psychological phenomenon that the authors call attention to is as potentially backing up idea of a spotlight effect. Another one is what's known as naive realism. They write quote naive realism refers to the common tendency to assume that one's perception of an object or event is an accurate reflection of its objective properties, not a subjective interpretation or Constru-, oil in other words. Look it. Just like I. saw it. It's the tendency to believe that your perception is unbiased and accurate even though you might readily attribute. Stakes biases to other people's perceptions. Yeah. And this is all tied up in the philosophy of perception. So when we're talking about naive realism also known as direct realism that stands in opposition do indirect or representational realism. So director naive realism holds that we perceive things in the world directly. And without the even the the mediation of any impression idea or representation and I think we can generally agree especially on this show, this is not nature of how human processes reality no things you see are based on the external world, but it's not an unbiased direct representation, the external world, right? Like there's there's a wait to fix. You know it's like if You've yesterday somebody slapped me with a fish today, I see fish. and. The nature of my perception is going to be augmented by that previous experience right now, indirect realism adheres to the idea that material objects do have mind independent existence, but but not that are visual perception is unmediated or these objects necessarily possess all of the features that we perceive them to have. Like a quick example of that would be obviously, we look at our beloved pets and we may you know we may perceive them to have various nuances that they simply do not have and pet owners generally. Okay. With that I. think that's exactly right. I. Think indirect realism. I don't know to me. That is the model of the world that makes the most sense like I. would not say I'm an idealist I. Believe the. The external world doesn't exist I. don't go for that. But obviously, our our ideas about what is motivating our dog or something might be more us than actually coming from the dog. Yeah. Now, of course, there's also phenomenal. ISM which generally rejects the mind independent existence of material objects, but accepts unmediated visual perception and the possession of a perceived features. So other things are not things as much as they are bundles of sense data. which is weird way to to behold your pet. Yeah. Let's get an almost into kind of George Berkeley and Kennedy territory that I don't think I can fully go for, but it doesn't really play into what we're talking about here. Again, we're talking about direct realism or or naive realism versus indirect or representational viewers right in I. Think we do have a tendency to really underappreciated how much perceptions are affected by the kinds of mistakes and distortions that we readily attribute to other people, and so the authors of the two thousand paper right that quote applied to the spotlight effect. This implies that. That, it might be easy to confuse how salient something is to oneself with how salient it is to others. Precisely, because our own behaviour stands out in our own minds, it can be hard to discern how well or even whether it is picked up by others. Absolutely, we may be attending the same meeting resume conference call, but we are not all attending the same meeting resume conference call. You know what I mean. We we all have different perceptions of it based on our own biases, our own histories, our own pervasive thoughts or cognitive. Task. At hand in our role in it, I mean are subjective understanding of the meeting is going to differ person. I, exactly. So leading into the next thing here that the authors point out as possibly pointing to a spotlight effect, this is something that has been documented known as the self as target bias, a quick example. So you're in a classroom, the teacher gives pop quiz about last night's reading and Johnny interprets this quiz as an attack on him. Personally, because he believes the teacher must believe that he didn't do the reading and you know I think even the best of US sometimes we fall prey to thinking like this something, that is a a general. General sort of action applauded everyone. We think, why are they doing this to me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially, if you have a like build up build up of an anticipation about given meeting or or social scenario. Yeah, and so the authors write quote like naive realism than the selfish target biased reflects a confusion between what is available to oneself and what is likely to be available to and hints guide the actions of others. So again, Johnny might think well I. The teacher knows I didn't do the reading and that's why she's giving the test today or she's giving the pop quiz today, but the teacher doesn't know that it's just you know that's what he knows. And then finally, the authors point out that these previously documented egocentric biases are very similar to the kind of egocentrism that Jean Piaget observed pervading the cognition of young children early in their development one of the more important parts of growing up in fact is shedding some of that EGOCENTRISM, but it turns out, we don't shed it. All still appears in adult. Simply in diminished form, it's certainly more diminished in some people than it is in us. But Yeah. Young Children, I mean people with kids will probably recognize. This often seemed not to grasp that other people have a different perspective than they do. This happens when you're very young and gradually as you get older, you get more, you get more consistent about being able to accurately sort of model. The minds of others understand that they have different desires different. Perspectives than you do and adults. Of course, by the time adulthood, usually recognize this gap rationally, but still might have a hard time sort of calibrating to predict it accurately. Now, the authors of this paper here say that what is the method that that we use to calibrate this prediction? They say that it's probably based on anchoring and adjustment. Some follow work by Guillevic about the anchoring and adjustment controversy, very brief refresher on anchoring. We've done an episode about this in the past So when you're trying to come up with an answer to a question like how much is this car worth or? What do people think of the speech? I. Just made. You don't necessarily reason toward an answer from a neutral starting point. We often tend to be influenced by sort of like data points or hypothetical answers that we can kind of hang a hat on to begin with, which may be one reason that you've got a good price written on the on the windshield of a car. Even if that's not the price, you would actually end up paying now this was. Was the Now, the anchoring and adjustment model was what the authors working with the time. That's the idea that we often think by starting with an anchor, and then we just adjust our estimate up or down from the anchor I was reading some followup work by Guillevic about the adjustment controversy. Like is this really the way we think is this really how we get to our anchor bias dancers. Dancers, is it based on this adjustment process apparently that ideas come under some criticism in the past few decades and their arguments about how to best understand what's happening in people's heads. When they fall for the anchoring bias, we're not going to get into the weeds of that argument here. You can check out our full episode on the anchoring bias for more depth but whatever the role of an. An adjustment mechanism in the brain, the anchoring effect does actually appear in many scenarios and the authors in this paper are saying that the the anchoring effect manifests in how we imagine the opinions of other people about us because our anchor. Our starting point is how we feel about ourselves. The stuff we notice about ourselves, and then we kind of reason from there to what other people's opinions would be. Will that makes sense again, coming back to the idea that we're using eerie of mine do alternately creates simulations about the mind states of everyone in our lives. From the person, we're closest with two people that are just you know like supervisors complete strange. And all of that is constructed with ourselves at the middle like our model of ourself is. The like the. Guess. You'd say that the support structure on which this entire network is built, right. It's kind of like you can't build any bridges to ideas of other minds without starting from the foundation of your own, and that foundation of your own is GonNa come with a lot of baggage. Of like knowledge about yourself that other people don't have and high levels of concern about your personal attributes that other people might not share probably won't share and that's everybody we should need to drive home. We're not just talking about like, say like stereotypically Ego centric person, right where someone who has like very obvious and pronounced personality flaws or anything like that or dealing with various know mental health. Health concerns or anything of that. But ultimately, this ninety perception is also self perception as well. Yeah. Yeah. So I, guess here we get to the actual empirical part of this research. How would you study this? How would you look for empirical evidence of a spotlight effect and there are a number of studies that are covered in this paper I'm going to discuss them in sequence in very broad. Outlets. So what let me guess, what's GonNa be our our key? Implement in the studies are going to be like a god helmet. Scans. My brain, is it going to be? Some other kind of like high tech device that I'm I'm putting my nervous system up to your extremely close. No, we get into the cybernetics of. Manilow t? Shirt. So the the question is something. Maybe a lot of you of wondered before do people usually notice what's on your t shirt or do they just not even care? It's a great question. I. Know when I wear t shirt I'm I certainly caught myself especially at least in retrospect thinking way too much about how others perceive this short time. In what it's saying about me and my, what is it broadcasting the world? And, a good. But at the same time, it's like I'm always very interested in what other people's shirts say to the point that I sometimes feel self conscious about trying to understand what someone shirt is because I'm like I don't Wanna be looking like caught staring somebody's t shirt. Now, I think you probably notice certain kinds of shirts more than others like you might pick up on cues that like, oh, this is a band t shirt and I'm usually kind of interested in banned t shirts. What this is, but like other things if it's a I'd imagine like a football team or something, you might not even take notice as true. I. Guess Shirts. I'm usually interested in our I. Guess you got certain Band shirts. But if it has any kind of like monster type thing on Oem and I definitely want to know what's going on. That's right. That's our brains. Let's just our brains being our brains So so extremely simple set up for the study dead simple. You get a group of participants to gather in a room and you haven't basically in, they're filling out questionnaires for an experiment that is supposedly about memory, and then another participant joins that group late. But before they go into the room, you require them to put on a Berryman Low T. shirt. Then after they've been in the room for a very brief time, he say actually this group has already gotten started. So we're going to hold you back for for another session, and then you have the Barry Manilow interloper, leave the room, and then you ask everybody. Okay. You ask the super the Barry Manilow t shirt wearer. How many people in the room do you think noticed that you were wearing a very manilow t shirt, and then you ask the people who were in the room if they noticed who was on the t shirt, right? You're just very simple comparing the person's. person's expectation of how many people noticed to how many people actually noticed and true to prediction. The students wore the t shirt tended to wildly overestimate how many people in the room would notice and be able to identify their manilow t-shirt. Generally, the manilow interloper guessed that about half of the other students on average would be able to identify their t shirt and in reality only about twenty, five percent of the observers could do it. So in their minds, the people wearing this potentially conspicuous piece of clothing mentally doubled the percentage of people who they thought would notice it real quick Joe. When you said you were looking at here. Didn't get to see this t shirts. No, I didn't on. My big question? Because I'm I'm currently looking at various Barry Manilow t shirts in. Managed search here and they do. We. Run the gamut here. We have some. We have some very forgettable manilow shirts, but we have some some real zingers here. Well, I think. So I could be wrong. But I think what it was was it was just like a picture of his face. Okay. Well, even then like it's a, it's a noticeable face I. That was part of a whole lot of business. Proposal yet. But there were also control groups for this study, they the control groups, this was an interesting calibration. The control groups were not in the room, but instead, they watched the entire scene play out on video recording, and then they were asked to estimate the number of observers who would notice the t shirt and the control groups guest much closer to the real number of people who would actually. Actually, notice it, and they did not overestimate to the extent that the person wearing the shirt did and this was taken as evidence that quote the targets inflated estimates are not simply the result of misguided general theories about observers, powers of observation. In other words, the relevant variable is I am the person wearing it. What makes sense? Again, we're the near the central character in our own eric. Okay, second study in this paper. So it's worth noting that the majority of the students that they interviewed in the first study reported. In fact that wearing a barry manilow t shirt was considered embarrassing that Barry Manilow? was considered kind of Corny uncool and it does make me wonder Barry Manilow come full circle yet. Has he become cool again. Shirts, I was just looking at pretty cool. Yeah. I think that was part of the design. The first study was that this is a figure that not everybody, but a lot of people wearing the shirt would not just like any face. It somebody who a lot of students would probably feel kind of embarrassed to be wearing a shirt of, but the question is like does this phenomenon hold for t shirts would not be embarrassing. Embarrassing it would just be a picture of anybody maybe anybody that the student liked. So the second study tested for the spotlight effect with reference to non embarrassing personal details, it replicated the design and the first study, but it allowed students to choose t shirt featuring a person that they liked viewed as not embarrassing. So it might be a shirt of like Bob Marley, your Jerry Seinfeld or something way was Jerry Seinfeld really was. Specifically mentioned in this one of them. How is that Jerry Seinfeld shirt? Not Embarrassing? Some people didn't think it was. You know times change. This. Was What you're on ninety nine, two, thousand like that. Yeah, I Bob Marley shirt I think remains. But I just have questions about the seinfeld shirt may maybe this is again just. Tells more more about my interests versus other people's interest. UNCOOL for not wearing. No, no. No, you're very cool. But again, there was a huge mismatch right to between even when you're wearing a shirt, that's not conspicuously embarrassing to a number of students. People just predicted that observers would notice who was on their shirt a lot more than the observers actually did it just makes me think? Of myself or anyone you know you got that new shirt in your life is today the day Vincent is today the day that I wear this This new shirt unleashed. This bad boy on an unsuspecting world is the world ready. Yeah, they're ready and they'll be. Automatic door to work about. Yeah. So us, okay. But that's appearance. It's just clothing items. What about for behavior can we look for examples of this in behavior? So the third study tested for whether the spotlight effect exists not just for clothing, but for specifically, stuff people say in a group setting quote in particular, we sought to investigate whether people tend to believe that their positive and negative. Stand out to others more than they actually do. In this was tested with stage discussion groups. So they would have a discussion group, and then they would ask people afterwards to rate other participants on both positive and negative dimensions of their contributions. So you'd read all the people. You just had a group with, and you'd say how much did participant X. due to advance the discussion that'd be a positive mark and the negative things would be like how many speech errors did participants make or how likely was participants to offend someone? And participants also rated, of course what they thought others would think of them. You know, then they turned it on themselves and they found the same thing study indicated that we tend to overestimate the salience of our behavior to others in both positive and negative ways. So it's not just like a self serving bias or self critical bias is just we tend to assume. Assume people are paying way more attention and noticing way more about the stuff. We do both good and bad. Just you makes me think like hellraiser tagline. It's like angels to some devils to others. But really maybe you think mis angel or devil, and in fact, you're just kind of a gray blurred that someone does not recall in any way. They just an anti. Now, an important thing that's worth pointing out here is that people say ratings on this discussion group thing were not entirely divorced from reality to the contrary study found that these ratings were in some ways based in reality people who rated themselves as doing more to advance. The discussion were also on average rated by others as doing more to advance the discussion and people who rated themselves as more likely to have said, something that offended someone were in fact more likely to. To, have said something that offended someone, but it's the size of these effects both positive and negative. That was exaggerated when people were thinking about themselves. So in self evaluation and insightful comment that might have actually been an insightful comment to you. It feels like, wow, that was earth shaking I really changed the game or a Faux Pas that other people might notice. But you know doesn't really stand out to the mole that much might become reputation ruining this terror this obsession. That's interesting. again, I wonder I can't help but think about social media when you have systems that are set up so that comments that are insightful may seem more earthshaking because they are being. You know we shared or re tweeted or or light, hearted, etc, and then likewise, there is the negative reaction things as well, and of course, those tend to be extremes that we be year about in A. Digital setting yeah, but even then I think the reality is that like most people are not paying attention to you and won't remember anything you did right. Right. Just humbling and it kind of Nice Way. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A couple more studies, real quick one of them in the fourth one, this recreated the early T. shirt scenario, but then ask participants questions to probe how they came up with their estimates. This is how the authors were trying to test whether or not. It was an anchoring and adjustment mental process that people were using to to get to their mistaken assumptions about other people's views of them and So their model again, this could be. Be, it could turn out that this is not the best way to model thinking going on here. But what they thought at the time was that people start with their own rich and powerful sense of how they appear to others. They realize correctly that other people are not paying as much attention to them as they paid to themselves. So they may be adjust down from their own experience to a hypothetical other observer, but they don't adjust enough. So you know how important was what I just did. Well to me, it was a ten but I know other people probably aren't going to rated at ten. So I'll say it's nine to. But in reality was maybe like US yeah, or four, and then the last of the last of the studies, the fifth one, this one, I think establish something. That's very important that we can come back to. This tested habituation if people are allowed a period to get used to wearing the unfamiliar Barry Manilow shirt, will they feel less self conscious about others noticing it, and the answer is, yes. If you wear the t shirt for a while before going in front of other people, you will tend to imagine that fewer of them to notice of it than if you just put it on and then go. Go, in. But of course, in these scenarios, absolutely nothing has changed for the observers. The only thing that has changed is you the more that you're more used to the shirt yourself? You're less conscious of it. So you imagine less consciousness among others. So in this like I don't know if anyone has ever had this experience, be you know somebody who wears a well worn but offensive t shirt. To inappropriate setting. Like, you know they're used to it there used to the. Potentially. Profane statement is on it but everyone else in that might not be ready. Yes I. Think this is actually a very astute observation. It'll come back to do something. I. Want to get right at the end here. Should we take another break and then when we come back, we can discuss some of the implications of this research. Let's do it. 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To See some more recent research replicating this, but but it looks pretty solid to me. One of the things that the lead author of the study we've been talking about Guillevic. He? He's noted in another source. He actually had an article about the spotlight effect for the Encyclopedia of social psychology edited by Bow, Meister Invo-. Vos, and in that article Guillevic notes that research indicates the quote people of all ages are prone to the spotlight effect, but it appears to be particularly pronounced among adolescents and young adults. So as you get older the spotlight. Spotlight effect seems to work less powerfully on your brain. What would explain this? Well, one answer might be experienced right over time. You just learn through experience that people pay less attention to you and notice less about you than you expect them to, and it's possible. This does play some role, maybe get conditioned. You can learn how things work in life and and you. You experience less of this cognitive bias, but Guillevic identifies different reason, and that reason is that social motivation is stronger. When you're younger younger, people show a heightened consciousness of an concerned for their standing within social groups quote. But having a heightened concern with one social standing means by its very nature that one is vulnerable to having an excessive concern with one standing and. And hints is likely to overestimate the extent to which one is the target of others, thoughts, and attention. So I, I'd say to take away from this. Maybe a special message to like younger and like teenage listeners like other people really probably are noticing less about you and thinking less about you than you think they are as shocking as that may be to. Another thing that's related to this idea that the authors mentioned in their in their discussion section on their paper is the way that the spotlight effect relates to something. It's known as the illusion of transparency. So the illusion of transparency is the belief that your internal states are more observable to others than they actually are. We often assumed that are unspoken thoughts and our feelings can be sort of sniffed out and discerned by people around us, but that's usually not true. Not Not to the extent that we think it is, and there are examples of this empirical research. Research. For example, if you stage a mock negotiation where people are trying to negotiate to get to a certain price on something, people tend to imagine that they have given away more information about what they're trying to get than. They actually have another variation is that studies show that a lot of times people imagine that people can tell when they are lying? But in reality. People can't actually tell when people are lying or at least i. mean some people may be can tell some of the time. But most of the time other people cannot tell if you're lying cannot spot your lies with nearly as much accuracy as you think, they can do with that information what you will. Really. Don't. I think it's a great point of all. y'All Li- like lying is is is part of our communication suite you know? We're. Going to individuals. Engage in it to varying degrees, but you know it is important to have that tool in your toolbox. You know if someone shows you a picture of a baby and and and you're expected to comment on it, it is generally in your best interest to lie if you think that baby is ugly right or at least find some way to that is not just Adherence to truth. You can. You can find something nice to say that doesn't necessarily untrue. Right and yet at the same time lying can be or at least feel like a high risk. Act Right. I mean, no one wants to be caught in a lie Even if the stakes are ultimately kind of low, I mean I guess maybe even more. So at times at the stakes are low because why are you lying about? What like? Why didn't you say you didn't like this picture of my baby. Or I don't know. I can't think specific example, but okay, here's a potential example where if someone says, Hey, if you seeing. And you're like, oh. Yeah, it's pretty good, and maybe the thing is you haven't seen have no interest in saying, maybe think that the whole concept sounds Kinda stupid. But going to be polite about it, you also don't want. You don't want to the plot to have to explain to you. Now Right now, you see it in a theater. You also don't want to hear your friend rhyme. Summarize for you. But then if they're like Oh, yeah. What was your favorite part while crap? Now, this has become a much stickier situation. I'm lying about having seen. Die Hard To. Yeah. But people tend to assume that like that fact that they're lying about having seen die hard to is somehow leaking out of them in an observable way and and in some cases, it might be like some people do have big tells when they're lying, but generally, that information is not leaking out as much as people imagine it. It is I. Wonder if this is compounded to a certain extent by the lying, we observe in media lying that is either exposed via conflicting relevant media like here's a, here's one scene of a politician, saying one thing, and here's another. Here's the another bit of footage that shows that they're lying or more often overt lying by a fictional character, which of course is is played up for dramatic back. is also an artificial situation in we know they are lying to another care. Oh yeah, but it's also like. There is there's a stock type of hero in like detective fiction and all that the person who can just magically tell when other people are lying and that skill. No. There's a wonderful character in the recent Walkman series on. HBO. Looking, glass. Yes. Played by the Great Tim Blake Nelson hasn't been out. The Tower Not Nelson. Right Yeah, and we love characters like that. Right I. Mean. That's a really fun power to try to see realized in fiction but. Just liser, not as easy to sniff out as I mean, eat to to really detect in reality. What you have to try to do is like trap people in contradictions and stuff like ask a bunch of follow up questions. He doesn't just leak out of your face that, yes, I'm telling a lie and you can smell it absolutely and I also think about this in terms of religious upbringing I don't know about you, but the growing up in the sort of a pin octagon ical teachings of the Protestant. Church was always this idea that God and and also the devil and perhaps other entities like lesser angels, and what have you were privy to your inner thoughts. You know the whole idea that wasn't just you said, and that made you simple. It was also what you were thinking about doing or considering doing just entertaining the mental images of doing this ingrained notion. Your private thoughts are not crowded at all at least not so. So, far a supernatural entity sir. Yeah. That's right and I guess it is possible that this could have a conditioning effect to make you assume, assume that in general, your private thoughts are not private. Maybe they're observable not just to supernatural entities, but other regular entities that you interact with every day because I definitely remember at times certainly when I was younger sort of freaking out at times about the idea of other humans being privy to my thoughts, an idea that was probably also compounded by science fiction. This is lousy with psychics, right? Right. And also these not quite psychics. But just really insightful TVs with the Hannibal Lecter is basically they look at, you tell your whole life story. But but then again, as we've discussed on the show before this, this sort of fear is not entirely unfounded given the potential trajectory, smart technology. That's true. But that's technology I mean, normally people are not doing like a, you know learning on data sets about your social media use or whatever. Right. There was one more example given about the illusion of transparency that I really liked, which was that. People overestimated the extent to which observers could tell whether the drink they were drinking was pleasant or nasty tasting. Even though they were supposed to use a neutral facial expressions, you give people drinks this one, this one tastes good. This one tastes disgusting and you tell them, they have to maintain a neutral facial expression while they drink them people assumed. Oh Yeah. People can just read it on my face that You know that that was a nasty one, but it turns out people can't read all that well. Good to know when you have your next dinner party. Year. Twenty one. Hopefully it's going to be the next thing after a competitive eating right now. So right now, it's the people who wolf down like thirty white castles or whatever. The next thing is. How many nasty drinks can you drink? I? Can See it become a big hit. Okay. One last thing. So the authors of this two thousand paper, ask a question. Win is the spotlight effect most pronounced to, and when is it least? Pronounced? Could there be such thing as like a reverse spotlight effect, a sort of mental cloak of invisibility where other people are noticing you more than you think they are and the authors think, yeah, this is probably possible. They claim that this would probably correlate with the subject's. Consciousness of their appearance or behavior. So obviously, the more conscious you are of your own appearance and behavior. The more conscious of you imagine other people are and probably vice. If you're less conscious of yourself, you're imagining other people are less conscious of you, and so for this reason, it might be correlated somewhat to the novelty of what you're doing or wearing or what you look like or sound. Sound. So remember in the fifth study in in that paper the spotlight effect was less pronounced for people who had some time to get used to wearing a potentially embarrassing conspicuous shirt. So it's highly possible that we are most likely to manifest the spotlight effect when we're doing something new or unusual. Well, that's interesting. Kind of ties back to what we were talking about earlier about You're about to say something in a meeting putting a lot of cognitive effort into preparing for Bat. Preparing to do something, you don't normally do. Yeah. Exactly takes more effort. It takes up more space in your brain. It's more salient to you and you assume it's more salient to other people. So it's possible. This isn't proven yet, but it's possible that the inverse effect. Where we would underestimate how much other people are noticing are appearance and behavior. It's possible. This happens when we are least conscious meaning during highly familiar routine or automatic behaviors. There's actually an example that has been studied here. and. The example I and I thought this was interesting. So people underestimate the extent to which other people, this, their cologne, or perfume. You. So you cover yourself in fragrance, you become accustomed to that fragrance and you stop. It right. Oh, factory desensitization sets in you. No longer smell it yourself. So basically disappears for you. But other people smell it, you don't expect them to. Yeah. Yeah, I think we all have had that experience. With with someone who has? Outrageously powerful perfume. Sometimes. The extended announces their presence. Yes. Yes. Sometimes, people just lather up and this makes me wonder about whether the spotlight effect is especially salient for appearance because of course, we normally can't really see ourselves when we're going about our lives. If we're in a regular business meeting talking, we can't see our face. We might be able to see our bodies. If we look down at, it will probably not looking down probably looking at the room, but we are also frequently suddenly reminded of our appearance when we walk. Walk in front of a mirror or log into a web meeting or something. So it might be the sort of perfect mix of oblivious nece in your regular behaviors and then the sudden shocking reminders of Oh. Yeah. I look like this external people and that kind of keeps you on your toes like what if after putting on some Cologne, you could suddenly smell it intensely again, every hour or so yeah, I mean that's the put it like that. It almost sounds like it would be helpful but I don't. Like our experiences with. Our own footage zoom call or what have you is necessarily helpful. It really feels like sort of built in Ego centric feedback loop. Yeah. Because there's too much of it is just constantly there. So, anyway, if we assume that the spotlight effect is real, it is a something that's generally true about people might not be true to the same extent for everyone. But if this effect is correctly observed, what would the implications for our lives being well? Guillevic, is actually gotten Kinda. Kinda sweet about this. So he notes that you know are studies that show that later in life, most people report that their major regrets about their lives, concern things that they failed to do rather than things that they did the same for everybody. But that is much more common framing and be probably read about this before this is widely observed. So many of the things that people want to do but never do. They hold back from them out of a sense of self consciousness or anxiety about how people are going to perceive you know for doing these things. So one easy example might be that you failed ever take up playing a musical instrument because you fear that other people will judge you as unskilled at playing especially at first and so the research on the spotlight. Spotlight. Effect suggests that we are very likely to be overestimating perhaps even grossly overestimating how much people would even notice whatever it is that we're afraid of doing and the authors of the study right quote. The lesson of this research then is that we might all have fewer regrets if we properly understood how much attention or inattention our actions actually draw from others. Just, got a sweet twist on. You know it's like saying what go go for it, go live your dream because nobody's really going to pay that much attention. To win, it falls flat dance like nobody's watching because probably nobody is watching. Watching might might not even remember. I mean, it's just like you're probably way over concerned about possible minor faux PAS or looking weird or awkward. Like, they're probably even if they're watching you and they're thinking about it, they're probably thinking Oh man to idol type that when I danced so. What do I look like when I danced by myself? This This reminds me talking about. Situations where you realize it may be perceived as as weird by other people embarrassing by the people. So, obvious. Like mentioned star. Wars, like three times so far. The most attracting the house year, neom Superman, Star Wars, he has a couple of light sabers in. He'll. You'll often asked me to go out to to have a lightsaber battle with him, which is something we have to do outside because otherwise we destroy things in the house and we have to do it in the front yard because the Mosquitos are too bad in the backyard. So we'll have this fight in the front yard people driving by. We'll be able to see it generally. I imagine they'll say, oh, there is a bad having a lightsaber battle with with. That's great. Sweetest thing. They'll see all day, but occasionally my son who's much, he's get. So into this occasionally, he'll have to run over to the side of the house to like bite a pretend floyd or something We leaves me in the Front Yard apparently by myself fighting for ten droids and I. Realize when bad happens people may drive by and think that I have lost my mind A. I'm okay. I'm ultimately. Okay. I, don't think he got anything to worry about men. That's that that that's going to be the ray of sunshine in the day of so many people driving by. seriously. If I'm driving by an I saw. An I saw some people having a lightsaber duel in their front yard. I would be like, that's you know. There's hope the a new hope. Maybe maybe that's what I'm doing. I'm giving people hope that they're like I didn't realize I could do that as a grownup that I could just. Get A, lightsaber and and start having pretend battles in my front yard. I'm going to do it. That's GonNa, make this quarantine situation a lot easier along the same lines I'm extremely in favor of adults climbing trees. There's this bizarre idea that adults shouldn't climb trees climbing trees is for children why adults should climb trees all the time I. Love a good climbing tree. It's a good. Good skill to have I see people in movies having to do it all the time to escape like him, robot monsters and whatnot. Yeah. So go for it. Yeah. Those like those Boston Dynamics, dog robots are coming for you where you'RE GONNA go. You gotta get foc like suddenly you got a climate tree and and you haven't been practicing for twenty or thirty years. Good luck. And, then what if you have to fight it with a lifesaver also? You got to keep those skills a warrant. You know these are the skills, one needs to survive in the wasteland. All right. Well, we're going to go ahead and close it out there. 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Apple 1984

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Apple 1984

"Before we get started. There's a lot more to the story that we couldn't fit into the episode. Check it out at business insider dot com slash nineteen Eighty-four find exclusive stories and more in a special half price offer for BI prime at business insider dot com slash one thousand nine hundred four. Super Bowl eighteen matchup. Let's January twenty second nineteen Eighty-four Redskins versus raiders. And imagine you're watching this game on CBS. Everything is so eighties in you are loving it. News. Barry Manilow singing, the national anthem, then Disney has this definitely not cheesy. Halftime show. And the ads. I mean, listen to these jingles. These airline sound almost the same. A lot of advertising was like this back then straightforward happy people showing the product front and center somebody's things the tagline. Then it's the third quarter six thirty two left to play Redskins are getting pummeled by the raiders. The play ends two yard, no return show. The net is eating nachos. Maybe you're chatting the game. Fades to black. And then you see a commercial. That's like no ad you've ever seen. Thanks. Under the patient. It starts with hundreds of motionless men mindlessly marching tube in what is clearly some dystopia in future dressed in rags, very blue lighting, can you hear this kind of industrial grinding sounds. Same thrill of a coal whistle in the background. It is this Ganic cavernous room. A lot of our skin had drones are sort of sitting rapt attention. Looking at this giant screen? We all want. Then suddenly this woman, a young athlete who's dressed out of character for everything else. You've seen track outfit carrying a hammer like in track and field. Hammer comes running pursued by the thought. Please takes the hammer and swings at around. Hurls it at the telescreen. Which then smashes? And it explodes bringing to the title. And the message is on January twenty four Apple computer will introduce MacIntosh and you'll see why nineteen Eighty-four will be like nineteen Eighty-four. I'm pretty sure my first reaction was whoa. From business insider in Stitcher. This household name brands, you know, stories you doubt, time damn up. Oh mcdonald's. Few ads have had the impact like the sea apples nine hundred eighty four Super Bowl commercial. It's the reason we care about Super Bowl ads today. It's the reason we think of apple is the brand for creative rebels. This ad broke. All the rules of advertising. It was dark and scary. It didn't even show the product. It didn't talk about its features. It was a metaphor. And it looks like a movie, it may seem brilliant now. But it was a huge risk of the time. And how it ended up on the Super Bowl is it drama in its own right involving a horrifying casting. Call a battle between Apple's Ford and Steve Jobs and a game time decision that changed apple an advertising forever. Stay with us. Steve Jobs like to say, it's better to be a pirate than joined the navy but by the early eighties. Apple was a startup that was growing up starting to look more stayed than scrappy its headquarters was this drab office park of beige buildings covered in stucco the kind of place, you might find it dentist office. So when one team had to move into a new building across the street it stuck a pirate flag on the roof in that building. They're plotting something. They thought would really change computing and help them beat back competition from IBM. But in the meantime, what the company was actually selling was the apple to one of the first personal computers. The kind with green text on a black screen. You can edit right here on the screen and had words like this. Or you can remove words like that. Like a lot of ads back then apples were pretty basic. Just a celebrity demonstrating the product apple spokesman was late night host to Cavite or you can. Hold paragraphs around to anywhere. You want them? I couldn't believe these are actual apple at s-. They looked low budget one is even a bit sexist, the whole punchline is that a woman might have interest beyond the home. I'm here with an average American homemaker with your own apple personal, computer. Jill you use your apple for household. Budgeting actually, I'm working and gold futures. Probably put a lot of recipes in there, and you can do trend analyses generate doc, I think I'm actually surprised people that the same person who wrote that also wrote nineteen Eighty-four, oh, we are very flexible. I've also donates for chemical toilets and. This is Steve eighty I am on aging copywriter formerly nominating copywriter back in the eighties. Steve Hayden wrote nearly all of Apple's ads at an agency called Charlotte day shy day wasn't a big Madison Avenue firm before the apple account. Hayden had mostly been writing spots for second tier liquor companies. But apple was zooming, and it's adv budget soaring. Steve Hayden said Apple's account went from something like five million dollars to one hundred million in just three years. But apple now had stiff competition and was falling behind IBM had come out with its own PC and by nineteen Eighty-three BusinessWeek declared IBM the winner of the race. But Steve Jobs was working on something. He summoned Steve hate into one of those blah buildings in Apple's office park as Hayden walked in. He noticed. The pirate flag flying on the roof. A small team was inside creating. A new kind of computer instead of complicated. Commands the screen had pictures, and you could click on things with the mouse. Its codename was McIntosh. And it was coming in nineteen Eighty-four job said I need an ad to announce the advent of MacIntosh that will stop the world in its tracks. And I said, oh, that's pretty. Difficult. And I said, well, whatever it takes that sounds like Steve Jobs, Steve Hayden and his team had a couple of weeks to come up with something big enough for his impossible demands. And as they were wracking their brains. They came across the line that caught their eye. Why nineteen Eighty-four won't be like nineteen eighty four. It was actually in a pile of rejected ideas, they pitched it to apple before for a different computer, the apple three, but jobs has squashed that idea. He didn't wanna use a grandiose line on what he thought was a mediocre machine. But now the year nine hundred ninety four was near George Orwell was on everyone's mind, and the MacIntosh seemed actually revolutionary so they started to turn this one line into the beginnings of TV commercial. We originally had thought of it is kind of a humorous dystopia in few. But would that have looked like still with sort of? People marching, you know, white bunny suits, and but not kind of the dire skinhead vision. Think more Jetsons than alien, but it just so happened. The guy who directed alien was in town. Ridley Scott in our producer, Richard Neal new Ridley had met him and said let me see if I can meet with them on the set talked about this project and get him into the office. I thought my God that Matt this is Ridley Scott in an interview shot in one thousand nine hundred three because this is this is terrific from a filming point of view. And an I knew exactly how to do a kind of pastiche what nineteen Eighty-four, maybe. So you actually came into the office and said, you know, this shouldn't be humorous at all metropolis should be our guide for realizing this. How'd you feel about that? And I think that's great. And I thought it was such a dramatic idea. That it would either be totally successful. Or would all put in step pen? The original plan for the ad called for an athlete to run into the auditorium. And hurled a baseball bat at a big brother like dictator projected on a giant screen, which Ridley pointed out, a sledgehammer would be much more international. And by the way baseball that wouldn't break screen. Steve Hayden and his team had their crazy idea. They had their director. They had the finish story board. Now, they just had to get past their boss at executive Jay, Charlotte. We're in the sad TraveLodge on the second floor with all these storyboards and pronounced lined up in Jay is tearing them all to pieces, including the nineteen Eighty-four spot. Nothing is good enough. Nothing is right case often freaked out the night before big presentation, maybe it was a tactic bulliest team. So they'd stay up all night and come up with something better. But this time they felt like they'd given this all they had the creative director took the boss aside, and he took jail on the balcony of this TraveLodge lit a cigarette and said, look, it is what we've got this is what we got you wanna cancel meeting cancelled meeting. Like can't do any better than this the boss gave in and the next morning. The team set out to show APO what they got at the meeting where Steve Jobs and Apple's new CEO who had just come over from Pepsi. John sculley. What is the first thing you here in the room after they present this the first thing. Just say oh shit. This is amazing. This is John Scully. We're all looking at it for saying, this is so outrageous. What do you think people are gonna think are they going to get the message that MacIntosh is contrary to everything that George Orwell imagined in nineteen Eighty-four? So we go off and give the agency approval to make the commercial. But it was a big gamble. The typical apple ad in the early eighties cost about fifty thousand dollars to make this one was going to cost ten times that jobs in Scully have given the green light. But also had some advice for Steve Hayden seeing Lee and me look like, you know, we hadn't slept in several weeks the voice in the meeting concern that maybe we should take a weekend off. Steve Jobs was a kind of mercurial dictator to a couple of days later, he called Steve hate him back with a request that seemed unreasonable jobs worried the nineteen Eighty-four ad create what he called an information vacuum because it didn't say anything specific about the MAC itself. So we ordered Hayden to create a twenty page magazine insert that so everything about this new kind of computer how to use a mouse what the interface looks like how you can pick up the computer with a handle and the top. It was one of those impossible. Steve Jobs requests so much for arrest. There's no copy. There's no concept. Nothing has been started. The printing deadlines alone will kill us. We we can't do it. And of course, jobs that has really distortion magic. And pounded the table. And we all went off to attempt to do a twenty page insert at the same time. These all this other stuff was in production. But the important thing was that nineteen Eighty-four was green lit. They had barely Scott shooting which starts soon at a big studio on the edge of London. They were ready to make something epic. That is until a crazy casting call and a whole series of crises. That's an a minute. Are you looking to make your company a household name in twenty nineteen start with the love handle phone grip of fun in highly addictive promotional product the instantly makes your customers life easier in positions your brand in a highly visible location, their phone the love handle includes full color printing of your logo, and guess delivered attached to a custom marketing card for extended brand messaging. 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Steve hated may have written the nine hundred eighty four ad, but he didn't get to attend the shoot his boss asked him to overseas. Some of the other ads filming in LA. He was bummed, of course. Ridley Scott's shepherd in stages are of course, it was bummed was severely depressed. Steve's boss made it up to him promoted him to president it meant he could now sign company checks. So this isn't just a bull should promotion title in the charter of the agency that of ice president is an officer of the company this comes into play later. The crew set up at shepherd studios on the edge of London. Ridley Scott Bilton elaborate cavernous set that would've fit on early or blade runner. He put jet engines on the wall to give it an eerie futuristic. Look, then came a strange casting. Call for this ad Ridley needed a heroine who could convincingly in safely, very giant hammer. A man who could play the part of big brother. Oh, one hundred and fifty ball guys to cast this tar who just had her big, brother. They brought in models and actresses, but they had a problem. No one could handle the unwieldy hammer. They didn't just need an actress who could throw it. They needed her to swing it in circles above her head and hurl it at the screen. Finally highly skilled discus thrower audition for the part. Her name was onion major first problem solved. But then Ridley Scott was having trouble. Casting the dictator at first. There were no plans for any dialogue in the spot. And that made audition difficult all these British actors would come in and try on various glasses and Ridley couldn't tell one from another. Steve Hayden was back in LA. This panicked. Call from our producer, Richard O'Neill says ridley's having a lot of trouble casting the dictator. They need some lines to read so Ridley can distinguish one from another and figure out what to do. And could you bang out some kind of dictators speech really quickly in facts at to me tonight. A lot started going through his mind about the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc about the time is brother has spent in China. He thought about his mother who studied opera at la- Scala in Italy as Mussalini rose to power will mix all of this. You know, the mouth the communists, the cultural revolution of the Russians is Vesta all of this stuff together. And I wrote this speech for the dictator. Okay today. We celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the information purification directives. We have created for the first time in all faxed it off the actors read it and Ridley Scott loved it. And he got an idea this speech wouldn't just be for the audition. The whole ads should be built around it. And he found an actor who gave the perfect manic performance. Over the information. Meanwhile, Steve Hayden was still stuck in California. But his colleague was on the set and London. Fred Goldberg, I'm an ex advertising guy. Fred was shi'as account manager on the apple account in the ad was still missing something. A bunch of bald men who'd looked like a conformist massive anonymous people actors are expensive in the crew found an alternative eighty percent of them were actual skinny. Skinheads originated in London in the sixties disenchanted youth fed up with the battle Konomi. They'd shaved their hair to make a statement. Then they turned punk music and by the eighties the movement splintered in some became violently racist. They were often in the news in the eighties for attacking Londoners of South Asian descent. Really Scott, though, sounds a bit perplexed by them in that nine hundred eighty three interview filmed on the set for some reason or other they all seem to work on shaved heads. And so we organize one of these frightening casting sessions, we whether about three or four hundred us, but the deal was this the skinheads were willing to work for a lot less money than actors and production team didn't think twice. Did you have any qualms about that? I mean, paying them. Yeah. Never thought about it. But. You know, I guess I do now on on hindsight, right? But yeah, I mean. Yeah. You don't nobody's ever raised that question? But that's a good one the ad used about one hundred fifty skinheads marching through tubes. And sitting in the audience of the dictator speech behind the scenes, they were causing problems. They hit on Fred's fourteen year old daughter, they spied on the actress Mamie van Doren who was shooting a movie nearby. They made nasty sexist comment says on your ran through the set with her hammer, they started it was rubble was supposed to look like it was a sort of a bombed out building decrepit fooling apart. There's a lot of rubble on the ground. They started throwing it at each other. You're, you know, joking around and it got kinda hand security handled it, but then the crew ran into their next problem. Back in LA. Steve Hayden got a frantic cough from the producer onset after two days of shooting. Ridley only had enough footage for thirty seconds spot. He needed another day, but they were out of money and APPA was refusing to sign off on the overage. And that's when I would hey, I just got made a vice president. I was told I'm an officer of the company I can sign legal documents binding the company to pay for overages. So Steve Hayden signed any rationalized it. This way will either the spot will fail and I'll be fired. The spot will succeed. I'll be okay. But if I'm fired anyway than the over doesn't matter that much Ridley got more footage, including those dramatic overhead shots of the guys walking in the tube. Then production wrapped so they could go at it. The finish spot looked more like a movie than an ad if you watched the beginning carefully, this amazing editing that foreshadows the climax I made the shots ball drones marching and sepia you see flashes of the athlete running. And then another flash of the thought police chasing her. It's like an entire epic an entire story of a world told in sixty seconds by the fall the ad was finished. But a lot of things still had to happen. The team didn't have a plan for where to run it. And the apple board hadn't even seen it yet. But Steve Jobs wanted to show it off he chose a big gathering for apple Salesforce that Toby for the ads debut jobs was introducing the MacIntosh and also. Trying to pump up the dealers for fight. This was a time when apple was in serious business. Trouble IBM had been really kicking there. But apple was losing sales. They're losing distribution. So jobs. Took a swing at Goliath. He walked up to the podium and launched into a speech that chronicled his version of IBM's history. It is nineteen fifty eight. Ibm passes up the chance to buy a young fledgling comfort Goldberg and Steve Hayden. Or watching the audience, you know, only IBM could define the future. We wanna be able to define a future. No, we don't, you know, as very rousing speech that that had kind of a folk history of IBM's depredations years later, Xerox born, and I b m has been kicking themselves ever since who's like showing people how. How you're going to save them from this catastrophe. It is now nineteen eighty four. It appears IBM wants it all apple introduced this thing. My stomach actually went over. I was so moved will big blue dominates the entire computer industry. The entire information age. Was George Orwell writes about nineteen eighty four after that ram spot. It was unbelievable on January twenty four Apple computer will introduce. You'll see. Remember, john? This shitty. Grin on his face. Just nodding his head up and down. And he just let people continue to roar and four you can hear it on the video when you watch it. Yeah. They went on for like, two minutes. Rian credible emotional situation. And is going to run one week before MacIntosh introduced. And are added agency that put it together is here today. I guess they just heard what you thought. And yet despite all that the ad almost never airs. That's right. Business insider prime is home to be is exclusive in-depth industry reporting, and you can find more to the apple nineteen Eighty-four story at this special website business, insider dot com slash nineteen Eighty-four. You can see the original focus group report for the nineteen Eighty-four ad and how it was one of the lowest rated ads they'd ever measured. And then what the ad agency did with that information. Then you'll hear from a guy at a TV station in twin falls, Idaho. 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Love dot com slash household now to find your perfect fitting bra and get fifteen percent off your first purchase. That's third. Love dot com slash household. For fifteen percent off today. Where the ad was a hit at the Hawaii meeting. The Salesforce was energized to take on IBM, but the ad needed a home where do you run a spot like this? This is Steve Hayden. The guy who wrote the ad if the jobs stop the world strucks where do you run it? And the media director of shied a Hank anti-us. So there's only one place you can run this the Super Bowl and Steve Jobs naturally said, I don't know single person who watches the SuperBowl. And I said, of course, you don't you're Steve Jobs. There are a lot of reasons this ad is legendary one of them is this myth that the ad only. Ran what's like, there was this brilliant plan to spend tons of money making this ad only to drop it at the Super Bowl and create a sensation about that. I it's not really true the ad ban. A few times on local TV stations before the Super Bowl. No one. To notice and second that was never even the plan. In fact, the adage and Shaya day had actually bought three minutes of Super Bowl airtime for apple. They wanted to run the nineteen Eighty-four spot twice that night. And then follow up with a couple of simple ads showing the MAC and how it worked. But what they didn't bet on was that apple itself could get in the way. So it's about December tenth this is John Sculley again, Apple's former CEO we're sitting around the apple board meeting we've gone through all of our business plans and what we're intending to do the next year. And the board was anxious to see this new commercial that we were going to be launching the MacIntosh with where we'd spent all this money because we were betting so much of the future the company on on back. The average age of our board was in their fifties in their sixties. So they weren't exactly familiar with things that were kind of young and hip. When the lights came back up every single board member had their heads their heads in their hands. There should dead. Silence. They hated it. And then everyone turns around and looks at me, and they said you're not going to run that thing. Are you? What do you say? And I'd say, well, yes, I said, this is a really great commercial. What did they hate everything about the fact that there was no picture of the product? There was no demonstration with the product. Could do it was depressing and dark and scary. And they said, we really think you shouldn't run it. We think is terrible idea, and I was supposed to be the belt supervision in the room. And I couldn't believe that. I was in favor of this. And and and of course, they were used to see, you know, thinking about outrageous things of of how to. Promote apple so they were really perplexed from it. They thought it was just a terrible commercial than terrible idea. Puts you in a very difficult position. Right. Sure. Kids the ad cost half a million to make it would cost a lot of money to run on the Super Bowl the board. Couldn't believe Scully would be okay with blowing so much of the companies adv budget. They tell him it's ridiculous. You know, this is the dumbest thing we've ever heard before. So please try to sell the time meaning sell the three minutes of advertising back to CBS. After this board meeting. It was a few weeks before the Super Bowl and Steve Jobs made a call. Hi, steve. Hi, this is Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs. Co-founder apple I'm here to talk about the nineteen Eighty-four ad from Apple computer was have been in a plane crash in nineteen eighty one. It was pretty badly hurt. He took time away from apple in return to couple of years later as a product developers. He didn't want to be involved in big corporate decisions. And that's when Steve Jobs called him up. Yeah. I got a call from Steve Jobs to come over to the Mackintosh building some hour in the evening. You know, I think it was you come over and see it, and we didn't take what it was to see come over and see something the room had a big TV in giant VCR in jobs. Played the ad for was I was just dumbfounded just was like better than any science fiction trailer was as good as it gets. And it had it had all the meaning. I said, oh, we're going to show it at the Super Bowl. Right. And that. No, the board of directors voted against it. And I was stunned because I had felt that I had just witnessed a piece of art. And I thought that the world should not be deprived of this great Eisai's fiction and be you know, Messager were computing's going. It was just the finest add ever seen. So finds commercial I've ever seen. And I want it to be shown, and he said in it cost eight hundred thousand dollars for half a minute to commercial, you know, and I said, they're not thinking. And so I write there. I decided I offered to pay four hundred thousand dollars St. would pay the other half. Do you know if Steve Jobs considered paying the other half, he didn't show any response at all very naive thinking that the two of us could could show Napa lack we can't apple really owns at the company not to people, but it was a big straw. It was a very strong statement. And it was honest and real. It didn't come to that. But I'm sure this moment stayed in jobs. Head the Friday before the Super Bowl. We got a call from New York at about two thirty LA time saying there's no buyer for the third minute cya day had managed to sell two of the three minutes of Super Bowl airtime. In hindsight. I found that they found out that they didn't try that hard to sell the time like it or not apple still had to fill sixty seconds in front of perhaps the biggest possible television audience. So it was that Friday the jobs had to make the decision whistle. We can run to the demo spots. Or one nineteen Eighty-four spot. The board said don't do it the ad agency. Whispered in his ear, do it. It was almost literally a game time decision. Job said. Yes, he'd run nineteen Eighty-four John Riggins with a jacket on over on the rich get yes, I did watch it on TV live. I think I was home alone. I didn't go to SuperBowl party. I was washing dishes after the spot. Aired. I got a call from j in New York who said how does it feel to be fucking star? And I said, I don't know. I'm washing dishes. Was the board angry when it ran anyway because it was so successful. They they they were just amazed. They said, well, we were wrong, and John you and try to Steve obviously know more about advertising that we do. So graduation. The network news. The CBC the BBC was picked up by local television stations all over the country. It was picked up by other networks. They're saying the game was boring. But did you see the spot because no one ever seen a television commercial that was anything like McIntosh nineteen eighty four commercial, and they played it over and over and over again on a news broadcast channels, and that I think had a larger impacting reached more people in the game itself. Shaya day estimated apple got forty five million dollars of free advertising with all the news program showing the ad over and over again customers flocked to apple Taylor's one of the people watching all this was a guy at USA today on Monday, people got up, and I I think the coffee tasted the same. And they still took the same route to work. But something clearly had changed. Bob Garfield spent twenty five years as an ad critic. He's now co host of on the media hardly anything in the innovating three and a half decades has been worthy of the attention. Hardly anything. I mean, there have been I don't know thousand different commercials made just for the Super Bowl since then. And I don't think there were a half dozen that have any kind of lingering, cultural relevance. But that's what happened it became it became the the advertising show the Super Bowl of advertising. Bob thinks nineteen Eighty-four is the greatest ad of all time. It showed that an ad could be an idea. It didn't have to show the product. And how it worked it could create a feeling, and it touched the psychology a lot of a lot of people. You know, we there were many people who think of themselves. But not by what they are. But what they aren't. They see themselves as I kind of class. They were they marched to a different drummer some percentage of the public. You could call it the the apple mentality simply believes that there. A cut above. And that that is you know, it's powerful appeal. He also thinks it s in generation of terrible copycats spectacle ads that were more about the agency's trying to be profound or win awards instead of actually selling something it only took a year for Super Bowl advertising to become a thing in nine hundred eighty five Pepsi hired vividly, Scott to direct a spot starring characters from the TV show Miami. Vice he even did one for Turkish Airlines this year. Apple also, tried to repeat it success. The year after nineteen eighty four Steve Hayden wrote in ad called lemmings that showed blindfolded business. People walking off a cliff. It was widely panned partly because it pro-trade its own customers as mindless idiots. It was an absolute disaster proving karmic balance not long after apple fired Shaya Tei and Steve Jobs was on his way out to he was visionary. But also a hothead who had clashed with. Board one too many times when they asked him to step down from the MacIntosh group. He left the company apple continued to lose its way and lose market share to PC's so much. So that by nineteen Ninety-seven apple was close to bankruptcy. It's at this moment that brings back Steve Jobs from his exile running a computer company called next. Good morning. Who we're up till three o'clock last night finishing this advertising. And I wanna show it to you the minute. This is jobs a few weeks after his return. He's on a small stage talking to apple managers. He's wearing shorts. And even though he's tired. And this was never meant to be seen by the public. He starts giving a classic Steve Jobs. Keynote all the things that were supposedly wrong about the nine hundred eighty four ad that is showed an idea not a product. That's now wisdom. To me. Marketings about values. This is a very complicated world, it's a very noisy world, and we're not going to get a chance to get people to remember much about us jobs is building up to reveal in new ad campaign. 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Salty Erotica of the Deep

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Salty Erotica of the Deep

"Own MG. Yes dot com does large-scale peer reviewed scientific research about what's sexually pleasurable for women and turns the findings into beautiful videos and animations until OMG. Yes. Sexual touch techniques hadn't gotten funding because of out data taboos OMG. Yes, funded the studies themselves in order to replace miss and misinformation with a fascinating truths about what feels good for different women, and why stay curious and get ten dollars off by going to g yes dot com slash minds. It's Monday may thirteenth twenty nineteen. And you're listening to enquiring binds. I'm enjoying the Scotus each week. We bring you a new in depth exploration of the space for science, politics and society, collide, we endeavor to find out. What's true what's left to discover? And why it all matters. You can find us online at enquiring dot show on Twitter at enquiring show and on Facebook. You can also get an ad free version of this show by supporting us at patriot dot com slash inquiry mines and guide to the show on itunes or any other podcasting. This week's big news includes the release of a report from the United Nations. It's by the intergovernmental science policy platform on biodiversity and ecosystem services and the news is not good. The full report won't be released until later in the year. But this summary suggests that because of human activity over a million species plants and animals are now potentially facing extinction. Over the next few decades. That's a bigger number than ever known in human history of the total eight million estimated species on earth twelve point five could go extinct over the next. Few decades. Ten percent of insects forty percent of amphibians and thirty three percent of reef corals sharks and marine mammals the oceans cover more of our planet than anything else. And they are also among the most threatened thirty three percent of fish, stocks are harvested at levels that are not sustainable fifty percent of the total coral reef surface area has been. In lost since the eighteen seventies. We've lost eighty five percent of our wetlands since the seventeen hundreds and already fifty five percent of our ocean is covered by industrial fishing. The problem is only going to get worse as climate change threatens our own species, and we need to look to the seas for food. So this week. I wanted to revisit an interview with Mera heart. She's a marine biologist and one of her goals is to help build a sustainable future for people and the sea and since so many marine mammals are facing extinction. They better start having sex. And so her first book sex in the sea published in two thousand sixteen might provide some of the solutions that we are looking for when facing this incredibly large problem. Welcome to enquiring minds, Mara heart. Hi there. Thanks for having me. All right. So let's start with one of the major problems in the ocean that, you know, a lot of our listeners might be able to relate to and that's it's sometimes hard to find someone to do it with. This is true, especially. Because the oceans are about ninety nine percent of the living habitat on earth. So to find a date or a mate, and all that blue is can be a big challenge and animals have come up with all sorts of different tactics in order to do. So from the smallest to the largest so that's kind of an amazing figure ninety nine percent. So that means that of all the habitable space on earth. The vast majority of it is in water or in the oceans, it's in the oceans, and that's because of the huge amount of depth, right? The oceans are a three D habitat. And we get a little of that on land with something like a forest where you can live up in the tree tops and kind of in the middle and the bottom. But really when you get into the air. There's there's nobody up there really taking advantage of all that space. Whereas in the oceans it's full from bottom to top. So that means if I'm a little fish. I not only have to worry about finding someone in the hawk. Horizontal sort of space spatial direction, but also up and down. Yeah. And so imagine you're a blue whale, for example, biggest animal to live on earth. But in the oceans, you're still very very small little dude swimming around, and you could be swimming over some potential mates and not even know it in less. You employ some certain tactics to help you kind of hone in on who else is out there, and who might be willing to engage with you. So let's start with a blue whale the biggest animal on our planet. And you know, there are that many of them, right? Correct. They're coming back though. Which is oh, that's good news. So if I'm a blue whale how often do I mate, and how do I find someone? So it's really good question. In terms of how often I think that's still something researchers are trying to figure out blue whales are different than some of the other species. At folks might be more familiar with such as humpback whales who gather yearly to mate on agregation grounds. So they go to meeting grounds. A known location once a year, and they all get it on. So that that's like speed dating like speed dating. Yup. And with blue whales, it's different. The males literally have to roam around the entire ocean basin trying to find these groups of females who are also roving around. So I think most females because they have long reproductive cycles. Kind of like us. They're probably only meeting once every one to two to three years in sperm whales. It's every five to eight years per for one female, so it's a really long cycle. So for these males. It's a tar defined female on hard to find a female who is receptive in at the point where she can actually get pregnant where the if you're a sperm whale. You can go five to eight years without having sex for the females. Yeah. What about the males? I mean, do they do they is it kind of a one to one thing or are the males? The males will be trying to get it on with however, many females they can find as often as possible. Do we know how successful they are? Well, they are somewhat success. Awful. But I think this is again, this is an area that we really don't know that much about nobody's ever seen to sperm whales. Mating. Nobody's ever seen to blue ELS meeting. Really? Yeah. Absolutely. Because it so how do we know? So some of it comes from their anatomy understanding, their they're different proportions. So it's really really cool studies that you can do in this happens for all animals when a male has a particularly large set of testees, right? So giant Kahane's? It tends indicate that they're producing a lot of sperm, and there's a reason for that. Right. Sperm takes energy to make. Why would you make so much? We think that it's when you're in a system where you're competing where a female is meeting in close succession with many males. And basically what happens is her reproductive track becomes a battleground and those sperm are not only racing each other to get to the Ag. But they're having to race against other male sperm and for male the best thing or one of the best tactics. You can use to try to win that battle is to just produce copious amounts of sperms that when you meet with that female, you are flooding her her tracked pushing all the other wiggles out of the way and getting your guys up this far. As you can towards the cervix and yet, so we see this in some wheels species where we know there's a lot of competition going on best example of that is like North Atlantic right whales their very injured. There's only about three hundred left, but they're also extremely frisky. And they make all year round. Even when we know the females camp, we don't think can be getting pregnant because they all birth at the same time of year. So there's a certain cycle like us. It takes a certain amount of time. So if they're all berthing at the same time, it's likely that they can only get pregnant in a certain window. They are still having sex year round. So that some evidence that those animals are enjoying it. Well, you know, this is where there's some fuzzy lines. We know in dolphin species that they do have sex all sorts of ways any which way with male males. And with juveniles where definitely reproduction is not the purpose. And it's likely that this is some sort of social dominance. It's a way for them to establish kind of rank within the group with the whales. I, you know, to be honest. I don't know with right whales. I have not heard or spoken to anyone who has mentioned that that's sort of the the intention is for dominance. Instead, it really does look like they're just playing and frolicking and enjoying this. And by dominance are being a little you mean rape me in some cases. It's definitely aggressive for sure in dolphins, especially the mail mail. It can be pretty pretty intense, and it's likely to show power and dominate male male. Oh, yeah. Mail mail. They'll do again, they'll do it with juveniles of both sexes. They will use their noses to. Poke around a bit what? Yep. Dolphins have been dolphins are a Randy bunch and already aggressive with their sexual displays. And we probably know that because we've observed it, but we're just guessing then about the blue whale, correct? And again, so we rely on things like anatomy to help inform. You know, what we think is going on until we go back to the right whale. We know there's all of this activity. They're having lots of sex, and we often see what's known as these surface active groups, and this is where you see a female come up to the surface and she's surrounded by males. And they're they're rolling and frolicking, and it's pretty clear that they're sexual activity going on. They have the Atlantic male clinic right whales North Atlantic. Right whales have the largest testees on the planet in total volume as well as proportionately so they're much smaller than a blue whale and their package is about ten times bigger. It is a half ton testees each one ton thousand kilograms. Wow of. Sperm factory going on inside these these males. They are also the only species of whale where we have literally witnessed a double penetration. So one female rolled onto her back and researchers were out in the field. They were tagging these animals they were watching another male came up on onto one side of her and Philip Lottman. Dr Filip Clapman is one of the researchers who relayed the story to me he was on the boat. And he said, you know, someone yelled out Pena's, and this is somewhat common that they'll see you know, sort of this activity in this giant pink Fallas whoops up in enters the female. But then someone went oh my God. There's another one they looked out. And sure enough this other male had come up on her other side and looped his giants. You've got basically like the golden arches pink penises entering into this female, and these are like eight foot long schlongs, right? This is big tackle. But. When you have double penetration length that true threesome that is about as intense sperm competition as you can get. So that's why they make these huge huge testes in reproducing all this Spartan because they're literally having to compete with other males at the same time. Boy, but the female has two vaginas. Nope. Just one so. So. Yeah. Just one. Yeah. It's pretty intense. It just they just sort of squeezed their way in there. Yeah. It is the other thing that's really cool with Wales is that the female's reproductive tracts are really diverse, and this is work being done by a researcher named Dr Sarah, neck, and her colleague Dera Orbach, and they've been studying whales and dolphins with some of the smaller ones and looking at the shape and sort of structures of of the female, and they finding that in some female species. The the vaginas are very they're like tubes. They're just really straight. They're really simple easy for sperm to get from point A to point B. Other ones are an obstacle course. There's flaps enfold and blind alleys dead ends. I mean, you name it all sorts of trickery going on when why? So so they're trying to figure this out. And documenting said to me at one point she said when I when she first opened to do a lot of this study through dissection when they first looked at. One of these structures the reproductive tract. She's like, oh my God. Like, how does the sperm find the cervix without a GPS? This is insane. So the think and again, this is all being sorted out right now. But again, this is a way that a female would actually maintain some control over who is getting to her eggs in a system where she's basically being forced to meet with a lot of males. Like if she if she can't not engage in those sexual advances. Again, if the males are pretty aggressive in our forcing copulation, this is sort of evolution sway of the female having a little bit to say after sex. So do you think she can control these can she actually shut that we it's possible? Again, this is like really new research. They're still coming up with it. But they think through potentially muscular contractions or secretions that there may be ways that the females having a bit more influence than than we than we think or it could just be that it's another level of selection. In that only the strongest toughest sperm that can actually survive and check out all these different pathways and find their way through this maze. Actually, get there that might be a way of screening for hardier sperm which would have better genes and so on so it's still up in the air. Exactly. How it works? But given that all whales don't have this. It's likely that it serves a purpose, you know, for for these females, and it's likely that it's in these systems where they are unable to control who's gaining access to their bodies. You know, initially and Sarah says home field advantages for the females the end of the day that last whether it's a few centimeters or a couple of inches or a few feet in the case of giant whale. She she gets to say, you know, what's going on in their this makes me wonder if some of our GOP spokespeople. People are actually in biology. Anyway. All right. So we have some idea then maybe about what's going on in some of the biggest animals in the ocean. And of course, they have the problem that there's fewer of them. So that's hard to find. But they're big. We also have the problem that they're the tiniest animals in the ocean. Also have to mate is there is it is their plight easier because there's so many of them or do they also have similar problems? They have similar problems to COPA pods are great example of this. So Kopa pods are tiny little crustaceans cousins of shrimp crabs that really are a major link in the food chain between the microscopic plants the the final plankton that fuel the oceans food web. They link between them, and sort of the higher fish sort of fish, larvae crab larvae that then feed the fish that then feed us so there are really really critical link, but they're tiny. They range from the size of a poppy seed to maybe your thumbnail. So they have to find one another and really reproduce an enormous number. Offers in order to maintain their populations, and we know to maintain all the animals that feed on them. So they have to they have to have enormous numbers of children each one of them each because the ocean is so vast and the there's so much ground to cover. Well, we know that they're having that many. And we know that they're having tons of babies and being able to reproduce in huge numbers simply because so many animals are relying on them. So when you have something the size of whale that eats COPA pods in his sustained by Cova pods, which are so tiny. They're just has the has to be enormous abundances in order for them to be able to do that. So they lay a fair number of eggs. So they are pretty fa- conned as we would say, but they also have to be the males are going around in meeting with as many females as they can now in some species, a female only mate once and other species, she'll meet multiple times. But if you imagine these animals are looking for each other in this giant ocean. And they for some species only have a few months or a few weeks to live their lifespan so Yuccas ticking. They gotta get somebody quick. Yeah. So they do what a lot of us do when we're looking for a mate as they go to a singles bar now in the ocean. The copepod singles bars are basically these these very thin sections of water that sit between two layers in the way, I like to describe it as instead of thinking of the ocean is a giant uniform pool of blue. It's actually more like a layer cake and their sections of the water that are warmer and colder saltier fresher, and they swirl around and in where these two bodies of water will meet they stack up in this layer forms in between that we call a boundary layer water does not like to cross that boundary. If it's warm. It stays in the warm layer if it's cold it stays in the cold layer. So you actually get a very stable sort of thin area and the COPA pods can feel this. They're very sensitive. So for them when they when they go through different bodies. Of water these different layers. It's as if we were feeling silk and then quarter, ROY and then cotton it gets very clear to them. Like, okay, we're moving along here. So they can detect when they're in these layers, and there's two things that they do one is they will aggregate, they'll swim up to find one of these layers. And then they'll stay in that layer. So that helps concentrate their numbers and make it more likely for them to bump into each other. The second thing is COPA PAZ being really small water feels and acts completely differently for them. So when they swim through the ocean, it's as if we were swimming through a pool of molasses water. It's thick it's sticky, and they literally are digging their way through which is really kind of hard for us to conceive. But it's what happens when you get to life lived at very very small scales. So as they dig their way through especially the females it leaves, it leaves a trail leaves like footprints in the snow, and there's wonderful researcher named Dr Ginette Yan. Who's down at Georgia Tech? She studies COPA pod movement. She says the females leave these sort of envelopes, and then the spritz a many species will split some fair in there. So it's like she's leaving this scented love trail for the males to come and encounter, and again because this is happening in these boundary layers where the water's very very stable it it allows for those trails to last a little bit longer. So again that increases the odds that the mail is going as he swimming around to hit one of those trails, and then he goes through this wonderful sort of acrobatic spin process, where he'll he'll spin around in he'll honing on the direction based on that gradient of of the trail and know how to follow her and he'll just zoom up the trail. And then he tries to sort of jump onto the female, sometimes a female is willing. Sometimes she's not there's definitely cases where we see the female jumping out of the way or where when the poor male finally gets onto her. It's like a bucking Bronco. And she's doing everything she can shake them off. We have. No, not sure if this is her way of like testing, his strength and endurance or whether she really just does not want this to happen. And then, but then if all goes, well only hangs on he'll insert, you know, his his manly parts into her and transfer sperm packet and her exile down the road, get fertilized and off they go. And as soon as he's done that he then goes on to look for another female, and then again, the female depending on the species that might be it. She just gets one one shot and she's done or some some females will mate again if they have within that species. So in in your book, you you have a great analogy for how we can put this into perspective about this. How difficult this task? Is you talk about standing at the top of a building. Yeah. So so they can host these males their ability to sense where these females are is amazing. It says if we were standing on top of John. Like sixty storey building and being able to kind of sniff the scent of the perfume of your date walking by on the street below and then being able to just dive bomb, basically down on into her and get the job done of amazing. And it kind of makes me wonder if you're a marine biologist, and you're studying these species like do you just hang out in the ocean? And you're diving the year like how do you find like how do you observe the? So it's it's really neat. So again, Dr Yan her lab has some really cool setups in social collect COPA pods from the wild and bring them back, and they'll run all sorts of experiments and in. I it's amazing what she can do. She'll set up these cameras slow motion cameras because this all again happening really fast when you see a male hone in on a female. It's it's like lightning. He just boom sinks on sinks in on that trail. He's wasted. No time, but she has wonderful slow-motion cameras. That capture and are able to to show if you were to put a trail of female through the water, she'll she'll mimic that trail, and that sent using moans, and then the mail they can record when he swimming. What happens as soon as he hits one of those trails and watch how he zooms up at and how he sensing it so many of these things with animals at COPA pods. You can have it in the lab for big whales. Like, we were talking about the blue whales much of it is done again through observation from the surface to the best of our ability and for species that are, you know, frolicking openly like right whales. We can see that for things like blue whales, it's more indirect. So for example, by looking at their anatomy, we can tell that for blue whales. They're probably not as as much sperm competition going on again. Their testes aren't proportionately super super enormous. Their penises are the largest on the planet. But there about twelve feet, but proportions. Is about the same as us. It's not, you know, two ridiculous. But we also one of the neat things that we've seen with blue whales is through their song. So that's a huge way that we understand a lot of information about Wales is because they sing males just the male sing. So they're all Barry Manilow. They are all berry mental os. And in blue whales. They're actually starting to get more like Barry white, which is really fun. So what's happened is again as you mentioned blue ELS? There are not that many. But there used to be far fewer back in the twentieth century. They were severely over hunted in the Southern Ocean. Ninety five percent of the population was wiped out at that time, a male's job or primary concern was just finding a female just basically calling out as loudly as he could to try to figure out where she is. Now, what's happened over the last few decades is we've noticed that the whale songs. The males are singing lower and lower and lower. They're dropping the pitch of their song. It's dropped by over thirty percent, which is a pretty big shift, and this has happened worldwide. And we're still trying to figure out what's going on. But some of the researchers who are studying this have said, well, you know, the population of blue hills has actually started to recover to great conservation story that we put this moratorium on on wailing in place and lo and behold, you don't kill them. They start to breed and reproduce and come back, which is great and with that recovery. Now, it's likely that the blue hills don't have to work quite as hard to find the females, but they're now having to probably start to compete, and we know that across the animal kingdom deeper voices are sexier across the animal. King cross from koalas to blue whales to us females gopher a deeper male voice, and this is because a larger male can produce a deeper sound. And in general, bigger was better in terms of protecting your young or territory. For us. I think it's just a sort of an evolutionary leftover that we haven't gotten rid of yet. 'cause you're just walking around the size matters. Yeah. Well, see that's the thing. Right success in size for us the little trickier these days, so, but it seems to hold, and we think that it's a way for these blue L males to show off their stature, and that can be either to intimidate competiting, competing males, or it can be that they're trying to attract the females and sort of convinced them there the guy who's who's got the biggest biggest Braun and is the one that she should go for. OMG? Yes dot com does large-scale peer reviewed scientific research about what sexually pleasurable for women and turns the findings into beautiful evidence based videos and animations we've been talking about sex in the sea. But there are things that you can do right here on land. They can make it more pleasurable for women sexual technique is one of those topics where even curious people tend to think they already know all they're ever gonna know, which is unfortunate by blunting our curiosity. It becomes a self-fulfilling. Prophecy. We explore less. 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So I would have thought, you know, not knowing anything about Blue Wave reduce that maybe the lower frequencies travel further the way, they do like you can hear the base of the party next door gets sound in the sea is the physics get a little bit funky. And it's true that a lower tone does travel further, but it's also quieter. So there's sort of this sweet spot where a slightly higher pitch actually has more volume. And to be honest. I had a wonderful professor named John Hildebrand who's an expert in whale sound. Explain this to be multiple times and walked me through it. And I will defer to him to explain how how that exactly works. But that was part of the trick. Is that a likely we're projecting at this slightly higher pitch because in ocean actually did project. Further because it was a louder with. Intuitive. But maybe the distance are so great that you have to worry about dissipation know that you. Yeah. Yeah. So so all right. So we've kind of talked about the problem finding a mate. Yes. We've talked a little bit about some of the solutions that like now, I sort of any any time. I want to say that somebody has big balls. I'm just gonna say that's right whale. Right. That I will act like a right whale. And. But what I wanted to talk a little bit more about let's get it down into the sex. So how do these, you know, what are some of the most interesting stories that you heard about about how these animals solve this reproductive problem? How do they actually have sex? Well, there's there's two basic ways you have internal and external right? So internal fertilizers or like us. There's going to be some sort of a male reproductive organ or part that inserts into or onto the female. And then there is external. So we can't have this doesn't happen on land. But in the sea because there's all this lovely, warm, salt, water environment, sperm and eggs. Don't dry out. So species Kim just release their eats the sperm in the into the water and fertilize ation happens outside their body, which basically means sex in the ocean can be an out of body experience, which is pretty neat now for internal fertilization, you have a whole range of approaches. This is speech. Such as the whales that are mammals. It's also sharks knit also things like squid. So with let's take sharks, for example, sharks are very cool reproductive strategy. They have really diverse you have sharks that lay eggs, you have sharks at live birth. In have in bulk accords and the little pups were born with belly buttons, which really neat. Whole range. But basically, the copulation part looks pretty similar. We think across species, and again, we've only seen this in a handful of species and a lot of it is deduced from what we know about their anatomy. But sharks are double hung the males are born with two class bers class. Bers our organs are at the base of the tail they're extensions of the pelvic fin. And these are they're called intermittent Oregon is the scientific name for all penises anything that sticks into the female to deliver the sperm and so- class birds and sharks because they develop out of the two Finns. There's two of them, and they have this really cool Jackie Latian system. That's just wild. So imagine that you have a cigar. And it's rolled up fin. Mike Reiss, a picture great white shark. This thing's going to be about three feet long. When it's, you know, a full mature adult, and it's basically an extension of the thin that's rolled sort of like a burrito almost and it just creates a groove for the sperm to slide down. So unlike a mammal peanuts where you actually have the Aretha and the sperm going all the way down to the tip and out in sharks the opening where the sperm comes out is up at the base of the tail so you have to get the sperm from the base of the tail and run it down this grooved class Bor in out into the female class per inserts into the female. But there's there's this sort of pathway of this sort of drip system where the sperm slides down the class bird to get to the female in order to increase the flow in the pressure sharks. Have this internal giant sack that runs from their tail all the way up to their gills by their head and they'll fill. Fill up this sack on the one side that they're approaching the female with water. There's a tiny little poor and using muscular contractions can inflate the sack like a balloon, and it sucks all this water in. And then what they do is the male will approach the female he will bite onto her pectoral fin which is like the winglike Finn that sticks out rolls her over, and then he takes his class Bor and inserts it into her genital opening and then he squeezes. And he squeezes those muscles around that water sac, and it shoots the water out by the poor where the sperms coming out and flushes it down. So it's basically like having this giant super soaker water gun that he's saying to kind of increase the flow of his sperm. So that it can run down the class Br to the female while nobody else has an ejaculates lake sharks. Do and it it works. Very well, it gets the Spurs up into into inside the female. And then again, it will progress either to. Relies eggs or it. Oh, fertilize alive live growing young so sharks that and how they get that done. But there are also sharks that practice immaculate conception. There. Are there are so this was really neat. And this is the thing that's so cool with sex in the sea is it is just the research is exploding. So much of what we're finding out is happening because of new technology and new science that's occurring literally as we speak. So just this summer so about six months ago, researchers for the first time where able to use a new genetic technique to go out and sample an endangered species of shark called a what's a Ray actually, a small tooth sawfish. It's not a fish. It's actually a Ray, which is a cousin of shark. This species has been over hunted. It's the one that has that really long nose with the teeth along the sides. So it's been hunted for as a Curio people liked having those swords as sort of a tokens in their homes so severe. Overfished also used in shark fin soup. So it's now under protection, but researchers have been trying to understand what the population numbers are in how they reproduce in one way. They do this is by looking at paternity and maternity tests. So just like in humans how you can test. Somebody's DNA and trace it back to who the father is or who the mother is. You can do the same thing in sharks. And these researchers have used this new genetic technique, and they were taking samples of some of the females that are being caught through this program to to look at in test the species and see how they're doing what they found was there were younger sharks new generation of sharks whose DNA had no male component. There is nothing from a male contributed to to the genetic blueprint of these individuals, which is really weird. Yeah. Yeah. So it turns out the females these mamas who are probably having. Trouble. Finding a mate got tired of waiting around and they're able to using just their own DNA. There's a process called parthenogenesis, which basically means female, reproduction, only female reproduction, and it's this little complicated. But basically the eggs able to split off. And there's this thing called a polar body, and that polar body becomes a matching set of DNA and the two to have fuse and form a unique genetic blueprint, but it's just with the mother's DNA. There's no male input. So they're just females then they can female be birth daughters. But that's it. The daughters are still going to have the problem. So you might actually get to a point where the entire species is female. So this is the thing. So in nature, we know other animals lizards and a couple other animals. We know can do this trick, right? The females can make babies on their own, but they tend to only be one sex that depends on. How the chromosomes lineup but in sharks? It's always females females make only females. So that's a problem. You're going to be after a while that's not going to work. The other issue is that even though there's some mixing it's still only mixing a mother's DNA. So you're diversities lower. You're not actually getting the benefit of that sex provides in terms of bringing to different unique genetic blueprint remixing for a whole novel new DNA. So it's it's a good stopgap seeing that these females are actually reproducing in such an endangered species is actually probably a good thing for the short term. It's putting more individuals out there over the long term. We want them having sex. We need for them to be able to find mates and reproduce in the way, that's a little bit more traditional. So it's it's sort of good news. And that it could help get over the gap and especially for the for the sawfish protections are in place now. So the population does. Look like it's starting to come back. You know, there's no fishing allowed. They're highly highly protected, so this could be a good stopgap. But long-term. Every species even if they can reproduce, the president Genesis every species always eventually turns back to sex because it brings these other benefits for the long term survival. So we've sort of talked about the problem of finding mates. We've talked about some ways in which these animals have devised interesting ways of actually reproducing, and I wanted to talk a little bit about why we should care, and you know, the ocean is vast needs to be populated with fish because we eat the fish, and it has a whole host of other benefits. But you tell one story in the book that made me really feel sad for some species of fish who have are really trying to reproduce a major ways. So these are the fish that are having orgies and that essentially makes them vulnerable to fishing. Yes. Absolutely. So again, we were talking about internal versus external fertilization and for fit most fish species as well as. Corals and seer chins, and tons of other animals in the ocean. They released their sperm and eggs into the water. It's actually how sex I began. That's the oldest form. And when you do that, you magin it's again, a big ocean. So you have this problem of dilution in that the sperm and eggs might not meet up one way to overcome. This is to make sure you're bringing a whole bunch of animals together grouping them up and tight small balls of fish that then all release their game means at the same time. So it's basically a giant orgy in scientific terms. We call this a spawning aggregation, it's a little less racy. But it's basically an orgy and species from tuna to Jack to snapper grouper that we all love to eat reproduce in this fashion. And what happens is through seasonal cues and light cues, they all sort of know where to go, and they kind of aggregate on these very specific locations at the same time in place every year and often is only once a year that they'll do this. So right now on Valentine's. Day. I think the full moon is in about another week. The Nassau grouper will be moving into into the location. Probably starting now as we speak, and they all huddle up and often it's around sort of a big reef outcrop or promontory, and they'll be about three or four days of total bacchanalia may just spun it's Baden's bond with mardi gras. It's told it's my exactly as mardi gras and they knew their timing. And they they do this, and it, and it works really well to boost fertilization rates, but the same cues that allow the fish to find their other fellow fish are the same cues that allow fishers to find the fish, and you imagine that four fishers. This is an unbelievable opportunity very lucrative opportunity to fish out all the biggest individuals of population. That's normally highly dispersed NASA grouper are extremely aggressive territorial fish. It's very rare that you actually find more than one. You know in any one location on a reef you have to sort of search all over the place to find them because they have these home. Territories. But here once a year, you have four thousand fish, literally the entire breeding population of one island that will gather around one spot, and we know this the there's a project called the group or moon project, which is run by scientists out of scripts institution of oceanography and the reef in varmint education foundation, and they're working really closely with the Cayman Islands government. And they've set up listening stations around the island, and they've put their call hydrophones all around the island, and they've tagged fish with little tags at send out a ping. So they can literally track the movement of these fish, and they have found that around little little Cayman island. It literally is every single adult fish goes to this one spot in makes this one giant aggregation and about six or seven years ago fishers discovered this giant spawning aggregation. And within about a year two years Hindle officiers wipe that population down to half took out half the fish while. So these aren't using big factory trawlers. This is artisanal hook in line, you know, small fishing pressure. But it can do a lot of damage very quickly. So these researchers have been working really hard to try to say, you know, when we fish on spawning aggregations, you are doing two things one you're likely taking way more fish than you realize out of the population. Because when you're surrounded by thousands and thousands of fish that are all spawning at the same time. It's really hard to get a sense that you're actually reducing that population. Because it just looks like they're so many fish there. So there's this false sense of abundance. So that's the first thing that makes it tricky. The second thing is the fishing activity itself is likely disrupting a lot of the behaviors that are really critical to cue the spawning. So while we talk about the origins something where they all get together and despond there is coordination. Often, a female is swimming around and she'll make especially in grouper, she'll make these giant arcs where she goes up in the water column in the leading males will trail in after her and she releases her eggs, and then they'll release their sperm. And so there's there's certain behaviors and cues that are likely going on for these fish to understand exactly when to release their eggs, and who they're going to jump in the next jump in the best way to totally. And it's like I mean, it looks like geysers of fish just going off. And so when we fished though, when you introduce mois from the boats and the hook and line, and all these things it likely is disrupting some of those cues, so we're probably not only taking fish out, but reducing the amount of successful reproductive activity. That's happening. Even in those fish who are left. So I like to say that one of the easiest things that we could do even though nothing is ever easy is simply no more fishing on spawning grounds. I mean, it's basically like if what does it don't come knocking. When the bag the Rockin, right? Like, this is when they're getting it on let them do what they're gonna do. And you're going to have an increase in population that then the rest of the year as a Fisher, you'll benefit from and certain countries and regions are now starting to put this into effect realizing that this is really the the crux of where the next generation of fish is coming from. But it's, you know, it's a challenge in the sense that these these fishers this is their livelihood. So we can't just sort of cut them off and not not try to lend some support. So it has to be a coordinated effort that allows some social support to the fishers provides them, I alternative livelihoods, or at least some stopgap for them to get through this time of adjustment until hopefully this populations recover. So it's it gets complicated. But in terms of the conservation side, it's really easy to enforce a closure of a spawning aggregation because again, we know when and where they occur, and it's limited in time and space, so resource wise. It's not that hard to really get good. Closures in place, and it's really important that we do. So I mean, it sounds like a lot of the research that's exploding. Now in terms of understanding how marine life really produces is a critical step towards conserving. It it is. And it's a really exciting time. Because I think that technology is helping us to understand so much more and the research funds, especially these long term studies to really understand what is happening kind of up and inside these more intimate intimate acts. It's really important that we continue that work and some of them are just starting to come to fruition. There's there's been some wonderful studies on sharks, and again, Dr Mesic studies on Wales that's been going on for years just to get enough. Specimens and understand what these elva China's look like, right? This is not easy work to do. So supporting these long term efforts, and then also supporting the technology, a new techniques like these genetic techniques is really sort of allowing us to lift the veil and do more than just sneak a peek at what's happening. Down there. And it sounds like this is a great example of how understanding the basic biology can lead to really, you know, direct changes and applications. Yeah. Absolutely. So one one piece that we didn't talk about is a lot of animals in the ocean are sex changers. Right and many of them get together. And do these these groups bondings as well. And part of what they're doing when they gather this once a year is there actually sussing out how many meals and how many females are there? And for example, parrot fish will do this. They are sex changes. They start as females and then they transitioned to males and this is because they reproduce inheritance. So when they're small it makes sense to be a female and be able to spawn with the mail, and then as you get big enough in brawny enough, you can transition and become a male and take over a harem in gain all the reproductive rewards of having multiple females who you're spending with. But this also means that when we're fishing if we're fishing all the biggest fish, you're also taking out. All the males. Right. So you're skewing the sex ratio without knowing that these Fisher sex changes we can't put management into place that says, hey, we need to not only be counting the number of fish left. But we need to be sexing those fish and making sure that we're not disturbing the ratio. You know, we we have to have the knowledge that this is a sex changing population to know to do that. And we're starting to get that knowledge and be aware that these are things we need to look for and designed better management. So that we can accommodate these strategies and help sort of boost their productivity rather than you know, stifled snuff it out. Well, I want to wish all our listeners a happy Valentine's Day and remind them that Mars book sex in the intimate connection with sex changing fish, romantic lobsters, kinky squid and other salty erotica of the deep there is something for everyone in this book. Absolutely. And it just highlights the fact that we as humans are pretty boring. Yeah. I will I will say that there's a lot to learn in a lot to play with should you? Choose to take the book back to your bedroom. But also I wanted to just warn there is a you do have a warning here at the beginning of the book about shouldn't try some of these ideas at home without the proper. Marine, biology sport, absolutely. Kamara. Thank you so much. You for joining you so much for having realize it also like to thank our supporters on our patriotic campaign, especially David Noel, Charles while Clark Lindgren, Michael gal, goule Stephan Meyer, a wild. Kyle Rohullah Joel Jonathan Wordsley Yushi Lynn, Eric Clark, Jordan Miller. Herring chang. And Shawn Johnson. You can visit our website entering Quiring dot show, and you can support us at patriotair dot com slash enquiring minds and get an ad free version of this show. Find us on Twitter at enquiring show and Facebook, and you can send us comments feedback future. 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