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Stumbling to the Presidency

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Stumbling to the Presidency

"Welcome to another edition of the asset. I am not Max Berg minutes. You could probably tell my name is Peter Auburn and I am one of the producers this on this podcast and while we have another great episode coming your way next week which is all about how Russian intelligence services actually go through the process of cultivating an asset. We wanted to pull back the curtain a little bit and share some of the work that we've been doing behind the scenes you see our podcast company district productive along with the great work from the folks of the Moscow project and protect the investigation have been working on this show for months. We've been taping interviews with experts and various fields to help tell the story of how a foreign adversaries corrupted or electoral process and influence the elections two thousand sixteen. We've gotten so many good interviews and we wish we could play them all for you but we've been pulling some of the best quotes from them to use throughout the series. What are the interviews have used that hit on a wide range of topics was with Bloomberg's Tim O'Brien he's the author of the book trump nation and he knows more about Donald Trump's career than almost anyone else in fact because of a libel case brought against him by trump? He is one a few people who've actually seen the mythical donald trump tax returns Max had such a great interview with them that we thought we take one week break from new episodes to bring you this interview in its entirety. We think it has a lot of great information that will help you better understand the world of Donald Trump. Thank you so much for listening and we will be back with the brand new episode next week. I'm here with <hes> Tim O'Brien an award winning journalist the author of trump nation the art of being Donald which is the definitive biography of Donald Trump. Tim is also the executive editor and columnist with <hes> Bloomberg opinion. Tim thanks so much for being here. It's great to be here Max thank you so I wanted to talk a little bit about why you wrote that book trump nation more than a decade ago and what what is it about Donald Trump that you find such an interesting topic to to write about <hes> even even before he became president well. I have a long strange history with trump you know he's episodically come in and out of my life as a journalist going back to nineteen ninety one. I guess <hes> actually Ash Nineteen Ninety. I was at Columbia University Wayne Bear where it Kinda legendary urban investigative report in New York I had just written a bestseller called city for sale and he got a contract for his next big book which was a biography of trump and so he I was at Columbia University at the time is doing a joint degree in journalism awesome and an M._B._A.. And he came to speak and he's looking for research assistant so I jumped at the chance to sort of be mentor untutored investigative reporting by Wayne so we dug into everything on trump at that point you know his birth to the nineteen early nineteen nineties his casino business is real estate businesses political life in New York his family history etc Wayne's book came out in ninety two right as trump was going into the the crater financially and there was not a lot of interest in that book and kind of disappeared. I was then at the Wall Street Journal a little bit later and I did a book about gambling a social history of gambling in America and a chapter. That book was about Atlantic City so I interviewed Donald Donald for about two hours office for the Atlantic City chapter that book that was the first time I had ever sat down with them so that I was at the New York Times and I was a feature writer for the Sunday Business Section in the early two thousand and that was right when the apprentice was starting to boom again and yet his business life was as always ben he had too much debt he couldn't run his businesses properly and his casino company was about to go into the crater again in a bankruptcy. So there was interesting dichotomy <hes> between trump the man who by the end of the nineteen ninety s was this sort of punchline about the excesses of the nineteen eighties and a curiosity who sort for the period on Howard Stern shows you know and made the occasional odd talk show appearance but he wasn't this sort of dominant kind of cultural force like he had been in the nineteen eighties and early nineteen ninety s and then the apprentice completely completely revivify hide him and recast him as sort of the entrepreneurial guru to the masses and an anybody who doesn't understand the kind of traction the apprentice gave him in the American imagination misunderstands the power television misunderstands or doesn't appreciate how many people are hungry to kind of achieve the American dream in this country and how trump sort of to his own advantage. You know manipulated the interests in goals of tens of millions of people who were fans of that show and I think that that's really what gave him. The base of the White House is on later. I think there's a direct line between the apprentice and his twenty <hes> sixteen presidential race campaign so at that time when the apprentice was booming I got offered some books on trump and they were sort of straightforward biographies which I was interested in doing but I also wanted to place him in the culture and and he's had remarkable longevity in a lot of different areas of American Life Reality Television Casino gambling politics politics real estate and and and his sort of hung in there for a long time and he's got this sort of reptilian ability to survive and I wanted to just come and look at that for what it was and then see what to me me he embodied about American life and that's what resulted in trump nation. I was at the New York Times at the time <hes> that was published in two thousand and <hes> five and in early two thousand in sixty sued me for libel <hes> for <hes> five billion dollars which was larger than my advance for the book and also approximately the the difference between what he was saying his his network was the time which was around six billion and what my sources were telling me which was anywhere from about you know one hundred fifty to two hundred and fifty million dollars. I was very well sourced by the way on this I had extremely only good sources and interestingly enough. He sued me for three pages of what is about two hundred sixty page book and it was three pages that sort of looked at this cat and mouse game trump has played for decades with the media around how much money he has and he's routinely inflated in an absurd ways and by doing so kept himself front and center in media conversations about the richest Americans even although he wasn't ever in the top ten and probably not even the top thirty it also gave them a calling card to banks when you went looking for loans this idea that he had billions and billions of dollars worth of assets allowed him entree to bags that might not otherwise have done business with them so it served as needs in these twofold ways and I was interested in both of those dynamics and so few pages of the book traced how he had lied inflated exaggerated his Business Prowess and and and particularly on those pages has wealth doing back to the you know late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties and he sued me saying that the fact that I printed an alternative figure for how much money he had a damaged damaged his reputation and so we went to court and what was really interesting about that I think is at one point we were in his apartment towards the end of my reporting and <hes> we were gonNA drive out to Bedminster he wanted show me as golf course but we in Manhattan in in his triplex he wanted to change the news cough close so he did and I was sitting living room where he had this gigantic wagon wheel sized coffee table. It was literally a wagon wheel but it was not a wagon wheel and he staged coach ever built. It was the wagon wheel that was maybe on a stagecoach uses a prop Godzilla movie it was giant and in the middle of this was gorgeous gigantic Mohammed Ali picture book so I'm opening the Ali Book Up and Donald Comes back out from his bedroom so you like boxing and and I said well I admire Ali but I'm not a fan of boxing and he said you know when you're doing with the book you and I should go down to Atlantic city. We should see some fights together and I said Donald at this point. We've walked now into the elevator his private elevator and we're going down and I said I don't know that you're GONNA WANNA go to boxing matches with after this book comes out and he's sort of pauses any looks at me and he said Oh you're you're really GonNa just roast Mir and I said I'm not going to roast you but they're going to be parked you like and then he sort of pause and he said well. I don't really care I just see you anyway and and I said well if you wanted to sue me. Why did you participate with a book to begin with and he said I'll give you three reasons? He said the first this one is I really like you which I don't think that was true <hes> but I was at the New York Times and I think he was always been enamored of the Times then he said number two is I considered a challenge. I wanted to see if I could convince you to see the real trump the third thing. He said that was the most interesting was he said I really don't care what you're right because I haven't ability to go above the media I basically my own printing press. I can go to page six at the New York Post. I can call up today show and say Tim O'Brien a wack job. He's a lunatic. Don't believe what he writes so I really don't care what any of you people right and when you think about that so that's two thousand five pre reface book pre twitter pre twenty four seven social media and he already had this very visceral understanding of how he occupied a unique space in the media that allowed him if he didn't like doc was written or broadcast about him to go around the media and punch back and indeed. That's what he ended up doing. The book came out <hes>. He sued me you know he sued me in in in in southern New Jersey. I think he chose was that corks. He thought he could fix the judges he would have been better off suing me in New York because New Jersey has the strongest shield laws for journalists who need to protect their sources like I did and I think the goal of his suit was to get my sources. He wanted to know who had given me these numbers numbers considered low ball numbers but also because he sued my was a you know a financial and political reporter because he sued me on <hes> for financial reasons claiming ident- financial damage that opened him up in discovery every two Alah how nick turnover lot information he didn't think through in advance like his tax returns and his bank records in his business records we litigated from two thousand in and <hes> sixty two thousand nine it sounds longer than it was because he didn't comply with discovery requested. It slowed things down during the course of that we deposed him for two days to eight hour sessions. At the end of of a two thousand seven he lost two nine. He appealed it. It went up to New Jersey Supreme Court and he lost it on appeal in two thousand eleven. It was tossed out he tried to get the depositions in the case sealed uh-huh and my attorney time a woman in Mary Jo White attached his deposition to some of the motion papers in the litigation towards the end which made the deposition public and his lawyers went nuts and she argued that at the deposition was so devastating in which it was and it showed that my book was on completely solid ground which it was and therefore was part of our motion as messed the jaggery judge agreed and that became public document the Wall Street Journal did a big cover story about the deposition in around I guess two thousand eleven and I thought that was the last time my name and Donald Trump's would appear together in print anywhere forever and ever and then in two thousand fifteen. I'm sitting at Bloomberg where I'd become the executive editor of the number two to David Shipley on the company's commentary platform and trump rolls down the the the brass escalator in the lobby of trump tower. You're in the summer of two thousand fifteen and so I have now been covering him again since then on a very close basis probably right probably right you know two to three times a week about him now and I'm on my contract with let me see so. I do a lot of <hes> M._S._N._B._C. appearances to talk about trump too. I just wanted to go back to the one of the things that he said to you in the elevator saying that he he has his own media. Do you think his of capability in ability to to understand the press and understand messaging has helped give him sort of a sense of impunity that he can sort of you know have these at least in a business sense. These failed A._O._l.. Deals yet somehow our merge looking you know still looking like the great American business icon. I don't think his sense of impunity comes from his relationship to media or is understanding. How media via works I think his sense of impunity comes from two other sources one is that he has been insulated his whole life from the consequences of his mistakes? I you know through his childhood into his college years by his family's wealth then in his adult years by celebrity and now by the presidency itself and each of these things has wrapped this cocoon around him where he can make these epic epic mistakes aches and not suffer the consequences of him and therefore he's never had to be very reflective or think about how he could grow or where he might go wrong. All the things the rest of us do we evolve as people in the World Donald Trump AB- has never gone through that process Liz Smith is this late great New York Daily News Gossip columnist once said to me a lizard from Texas and she said she knew the trump's very well and she said to me you know honey. The only thing you need to know about Donald Trump is that he's a seven-year-old grown old and that is so profoundly true. I don't think there's a lot of things that occupy his mind. I think he thinks a lot about <hes> money. Food sacks sports and revenge after you're done with those topics there's not a lot knocking around in Donald's Noggin and but he is a student of celebrity and. That's where it comes back to the media. I think <hes> you know he told me once that when when the apprentice took off he went over to Lorne Michaels to ask him whether it was better to be a movie star or be a T._v.. Star because you really want to understand the difference within between the two and he told me that that Lauren Michael Said Oh totally better be T._v.. Star and trump said why and he said because once a week every week in front of thirty million people with a movie movie comes out it's in the theaters a few weeks and then it's gone and a light went off and trump's head and that was in the first time he had sort of inquired into this. You know we were on his his plane. Once screening I it was either sunset inside boulevard or pulp fiction or Asia Claude van Damme <hes> martial arts movie. That's the range of of his sin ass tastes and <hes> he leaned over at one point when whispering into my ear Clint Eastwood is the greatest celebrity ever left and I've always thought that Donald grimace you know that sort of squint eyed tight lipped thing he does when he stands up is totally ripped off from high plains drifter and I think he started practicing that look in the nineteen seventies and some unfortunate Mir that had to bear the weight of all of his practicing in front of that and then he told Milania to do it because at one point when they were dating they would appear on red carpets together and they would both through the high plains drifter scowl but I bring that up beyond I think the focus on celebrities that he's he's aware of charisma and he's aware of of media power and I think that brings it back to your original question about does he think he can roll past all this stuff because of his relationship media and I would take a step further. I think he can roll past it all because he believes he's a star and he believes he constantly. I believe he's The star of his own show and he is directing it. He is writing the script on the go and he stage-managing everyone around him and his main goal is to win over who's ever in front of regardless of of their political persuasion their gender the race he will say anything he believes he needs to say to gain their affection and and his core he's a performance artist. You can't really understand the Donald Trump phenomenon without interesting that is cast performing you know before he went to work for his father. After he graduated from Wharton he considered going to film school at U._S._C. and he was very captivated created with the Classic Hollywood Movie Producers Like Daryl Zanuck and he wanted to be one of those guys and I think Fred said if you go to L._A.. And go into movies I'm going to cut you off and you won't get another dime. I think the second is dead said no money for you. He we stayed home and went into real estate but he brought this sense of a Karnik Carnival less sessile B._D._o.. Mill over the top approach to all these projects he worked on and it's so funny because he did it even when they were these penny ante projects that he was starting out on you know in the seventies and then it Kinda came together for him on trump tower in the mid eighties and and you know the opening of trumped out tower is really a a symbolic moment from the Reagan era and from <hes> The New York coming back from the depths of the nineteen seventies recessions and rising crime and people fleeing the city coming back again as a sort of mega cosmopolitan global draw however global draw that decided to build its future and its fortunes on the on the on the shoulders of elites like trump and in trump tower was <hes> was a building that was selling condominiums in theory to elites he also ended up selling units to mobsters but <hes> you know he was he's running around telling the press that Prince Charles and lady he di we're interested in a unit and I think Sophia Loren was interested in unit and the US pulling that stuff out of his year you know that was sort of him. Breaking out from his father shadow right and I absolutely or or sort of moving from outer boroughs into Manhattan was wondering if you consider it maybe unpack kind of the origins of the trump real estate empire sort of begins with his father and trump then sort of part of it and then tries to break out of it right yeah I mean I think <hes> Fred trump. <hes> wasn't authentically self made man he began building <hes> and working on projects in Queens and Brooklyn at such young age that his mother <hes> still had to cosign a lot of the documents that he needed needed to do business he landed a top <hes> the boom in federally subsidized housing he used large large federal grants to build middle income housing largely targeted at veterans returning from from World War Two he bilked the government he got in trouble for bilking the government both <hes> the federal government and the state government in New York <hes> and and he basically run out of both of those public housing programs uh-huh and essentially never really built a lot after the mid nineteen sixties or so but he made you know he made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars at the time and enough that you know his children grow up with trust funds in any tried to bring them all into the business but <hes> Fred trump was a tough character he had a bad temper he was extremely driven heated not really Brooke <hes> descent <hes> <hes> and and he could be very very hard people his eldest son Freddie ended up dying in alcoholic in in in Florida wanted no part of the the family business but donald the next youngest boy thrived on it and he and Fred really forged an incredible bond that didn't exist with any of the other children and he really learned his father's knee but it's father's knee was on avenue Z in Coney Island Brooklyn in a in a in a sort for the whole in the wall real estate office that was not glamorous and and and certainly wasn't sexy Fred didn't really care about the trappings of the luxurious office but Donald I think cared about it from the moment home it he sprang from the womb and I think he's he looked across the river at Manhattan as Oz and he knew that in New York real estate it was the Big New York families who built skyscrapers skyscrapers in New York who considered glamorous real estate developers. It wasn't the guy's making middle income housing in Brooklyn Queens so I think he was thinking about you know getting Outta Queens in Manhattan Manhattan almost as quickly as you know as as his father would allow him to start spending the company money on projects and that wound up being a bunch of things associated with the collapse of the Penn Central Railroad in the nineteen seventies a big swath of land on the west side of Manhattan and then <hes> an old hotel near Grand Central Station called the Commodore and the Commodore Hotel was taken over by the Pritzker family of Chicago. They needed a partner to help them get it. Through all the zoning variances they wanted to get so they could turn that into a glassy glamorous <hes> hotel for business travelers and so they brought Donald on Donald had no money zone to put into that deal Fred had to cosign his loans with the banks Fred had to watch over every element of that transaction donald could not have done without Fred but when the grand hi it opened in the mid seventies the family <hes> Fred had deep connections to the democratic machine in Brooklyn Queens Ed Koch <hes> the mayor later on but <hes> a the beam who was mayor of New York prior to watch was close to the family and Fred was able to turn out politicians <hes> and sort of the local powerbrokers at at the opening of that event and Donald turned out the press he went and drummed up you know the local reporters and gossip columnist to come and and help celebrate the opening the Grand Hyatt but the Grand Hyatt really wasn't his project. It was a partnership and of course anytime there's a partnership at any point in Donald Trump's career it gets blown up like a hand grenade you know within seconds of the partnership being forged because he wants everything for himself and he probably would have done very well to learn at the pritzker sneeze they were immensely successful successful family developers with very well regarded with with with a lot of real money but he ended up in sort of fights with them from the very beginning they ultimately bought him out when he when he hit the skids in the early nineties but I think the Grand Hyatt put him on the map in Manhattan as a young developer that people should pay attention to and that's when he started thinking about a epic Grand Tower that would have his family's name on it not someone else's name on it in a prime location that would be considered symbolic of the New Era New York and so he lands on what would ultimately become trump tower and you know he was very dextrous in how he got that deal put together he had there was an a a bond wit teller store next door to tiffany's on on Fifth Avenue in the upper fifties and it was a complex transaction because you needed to get the leasehold undergone what teller you need to be able to demolish the bond with teller building you I needed to get air rights above tiffany's etc etc and he pulled all that together and he got a great partner on it got a major insurance company to help them finance it and the building design was for trump extremely extremely subtle and it was seeing I think by a lot of architecture credits at the time as not a home run but not an insult the fifth avenue either and he comes out of that moment it really in the early nineteen eighties with everything in front of him he had family money he had a successful project he had banks eager to do business with him and in very short order he blew all that up because he's in numerous he's undisciplined he's unsophisticated and he's not self aware but he was fortunate enough to have some of the biggest banks in the country willingly throw huge snowballs walls of cash at him because he was fred trump's son and because he was saying he had assets that were worth billions and billions of dollars in Forbes back that up when they stuck him on the Forbes four hundred list all the time this sort of launches him and then we just sort of see him start just spending money and buying up if things from <hes> U._S._F._l.. Football team to an airline so what happened he becomes sort of famous iconic and then he's just start blowing his is money. He'd never had access to the kind of cash that the banks put it his feet and it was an era in which deals were being celebrated. This was Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky and the film Wall Street and New York as is hungry power center where guys in pinstripes suits and suspenders reading deals done and that appeal to him and I think he wanted to play at a level he wasn't equipped to play at which meant he had to be able to add for starters he had to be a good manager meaning. He couldn't just talk about a deal and and stir up attention around it and then walk away from it he actually had to manage projects. He had to manage his Casino Company and he had to install L. A.. Good team there when he he paid so much money for the Plaza Hotel he would have had to take really radical steps for the hotel degenerate enough cash for him to carry the debt he had on the hotel and that equation was no different than his casino company's he he spent so much money acquiring the casino companies and for example building the Taj those companies had to throw off a lot of cash on a day-to-day basis just to pay the debt down and this isn't complex. This is not a complex business transaction. This is like anyone who has a credit card and they go out and they put too much money on it each month and the income they're bringing in doesn't allow them to play the credit card down the only difference Brunette what Donald Trump was doing was he was doing it with more more than three billion dollars of which nine hundred million he personally guaranteed and didn't have and so you had this string of acquisitions the Plaza Hotel the eastern shuttle the U._S._F._l.. Casinos in Atlantic City so on and so on and none of which he really knuckled down and learn how to manage well trump Baden airline you know the eastern airline and then he suddenly running it did he and he did really have a background. That's right right. He had never run an airline. Before the eastern shuttle had gone into bankruptcy. He bought it out of bankruptcy. Everyone on the other side of that transaction was rubbing their hands together because they had a mark in in Donald he overpaid he then wanted to make it a very glamorous high end a shuttle along the eastern seaboard that included gold plated sinks and luxurious seating all of which added to both the way to the plane which made it less aerodynamic and also <hes> increase fuel costs made it harder to get the planes off the ground but he hadn't thought through any of those things you know he wanted very plush carpeting carpeting in the aisles but that made it hard for the flight attendants to roll trolleys up and down the aisles all the stuff was he was focused entirely on the airline representing him as a mogul as as opposed to the airline being a well run and profitable entity that could compete with other low cost carriers that were operating on the East Coast and it didn't take very long before that thing went into bankruptcy. It's similar story with the football team as well. I meant that quickly went went bust as well yeah I mean I think the interesting thing about the U._s._F._l.. Is had he been patient and waited it out. He might have been able to do something the the the original franchise owners in. U._S._F._L. wanted to create a league that did not go head to head with the N._F._l.. Because the N._F._l.. was such a Juggernaut so they did not want to play games in the fall to begin with and they did not want to pay humongous salaries two stars they wanted to have spring league and they wanted to bring in really strong players but not players that they would go broke trying to hire and and they got started off in an okay way and when when trump join the league and bought the New Jersey generals I think the other owners thought it was good for them because if bought a big burst of publicity and attention to the league and that was great for everyone. I'll now remind you of our rule about Donald Trump partnerships is there like hand grenades and he very quickly decided that he didn't like the U._S._F._L.'s game plan of having gains in the spring and and keeping the payrolls roles low so he began to force and Cajole and try to convince other teams in the League to have a fall schedule and go head to head with the N._F._l.. And then he started pursuing starts like Herschel Walker in Doug Flutie whom he gave big contracts to and it didn't work out they couldn't compete with the N._F._l.. And so in this desperate pardon the Pun hail. Mary pass trump decided he would sue the N._F._l.. N._F._l. for antitrust and he thought he was going to win that case in the media he lost it horribly. The final judgment was the N._F._l.. was forced to give the U._S._F._l.. One dollar and and by the time that judgment was reaching the courts the U._S._F._l.. was already out of commission and what's The casino so you know Donald Trump sees Atlantic city you know he's he's supposed to be a New York real estate developer Robert but what what was the attraction of Atlantic City when in in how did that how did the casino investments sort of pan out casinos were legalized in Atlantic City nineteen seventy six and at the time there wasn't a huge amount of interest <hes> mum companies to to take it seriously and opened the doors there one company did resorts international and from the moment they opened their doors. It was a cash register it through off tons and tons of money and it drew the attention of other legacy casino operators from Vegas. The holiday inns company Hera's etc etc vail sorted poking around in Atlantic City trump at one point took a drive down there there and decided that he wanted in any began assembling a parcel of land in Atlantic city that he could build a casino on his original partners were completely mobbed up he his first partners when he went to Atlantic City. He was a <hes> ah Bagman for the scarf. Oh crime family named Kenny Shapiro. I think you're announced it should pyro but most people pronounce it Shapiro and he was a stone cold mobster and then a labor her racketeer essentially from New York Name Dani Sullivan <hes> Dani Sullivan at work with trump on the on the Grand Hyatt and he was one of these guys who worked both as a law enforcement informant and head re ties hi to the mob so Shapiro Sullivan and trump do a transaction together and <hes> assembled parcel Atlantic city the F._b._i.. Later takes a look at this and they tell him that he has to buy his partners out out and get them out of that deal. If he wants to be able to continue operating in Atlantic City he forges a partnership his first casino with with the holiday inns company again that should have been something that he just just walked into they they put up the money he got a percentage of the equity plus up a piece of the profit on that transaction but what ended up happening. Let's remind ourselves with Donald Trump partnership rule. He blew the partnership up all he had to do is sit back almost harvest the money but he wanted credit for the casinos success. He didn't like that Holiday Inn had its name on the on the property you wanted it have his name so he made life basically hell for them and drove them out and renamed it trump plaza later on Barron Hilton got into licensing trouble another casino in Atlantic Annex City and amazingly the local casino regulators said the Barron Hilton couldn't get a license because he had a long standing relationship with a mobbed up lawyer learning Sydney quarterback but they never balked at the organized crime ties the Donald had when I went to Atlantic city or the INS and outs he he had sort of endure a New York like every developer did with organized crime figures there the difference being there were a lot of New York developers who sort of held their noses and dealt with mobbed up unions or contractors because they had to trump's would have rebelled in it so so basically early being sort of in the world of development trump had to kind of rub elbows with folks with mob ties with unions with mob ties the story about him in buying all this mobbed up concrete was that kind of run run-of-the-mill or was that something that was sort of unusual for a developer it was running the mill for any developer in New York in the eighties to encounter mobbed up unions or mobbed up contractors. I actually did a lot reporting for in Wayne's book about the concrete issue on trump tower. You know that was a building that was I think built about eighty percent of it was reinforced concrete at a time when every other skyscraper in the city was moving away from concrete and into you know other sorts of superstructures that did not rely on concrete concrete was expensive and it had other hurdles present for people who wanted to use use it as a building material and all of the concrete suppliers in New York were heavily mobbed up trump never had a labor strike on the trump tower site and he was able to get concrete in Crete at a relatively affordable price that other builders couldn't get it for and there's always been this question about wow how did how did that work out for him. How did he how did he make that happen? One of the original tenants in his building was a guy named John Cody who was a a mobbed up labor racketeering was very influential in the construction trades. There'd always been this question among reporters to whether or not trump's relationship with people like him is what enabled him to build trump tower in the way that he did. I think he's also enamored of mobsters. I think he thinks that the way mobsters role and the way mobsters talk and the way they speak about out one another and the way they speak about their enemies and their friends is very appealing. Damn he has got a very <hes> street level thuggish bullying approach to how the world works and his father always taught him that the world's or predatory place and that it's it's it's binary. There's only one winner and you have to be out there. Slugging it away so you can be the winner and I think he saw mobsters as emblematic of that and it didn't bother him mobsters Brooklyn Law and it didn't bother him that that they gouged people and that they murdered people in traffic and drugs I think he I just thought mobsters were to be admired. You know he told me once about watching John Gotti testify and was in the context of <hes> me asking if you've ever broken down on crying and he said no you know he's he doesn't think he's ever cried in his life and he thinks it's effeminate to cry and his example the way you should be he said was John Ngati sitting in court while he was being prosecuted as that of the Gambino crime family because prison was rolling towards him and he was going to be separated permanently from his family and he just stat out there in court with a stone cold face never cried and Donald thought the John Gotti was a bad ass and you can see this now in the presidency <hes> when Donald Trump takes nice to twitter and starts talking about whether or not my cocoons GonNa flip and whether or not Paul Manafort is really loyal and what is loyalty and when he has these these implied threats that he's going to unleash havoc in the streets if he doesn't get his way all of that comes out of his experience in New York rubbing shoulders with and admiring mobsters and so I kinda WanNa talk about the period of the nineteen nineties where where you know trump sorta falls on his face where the House of cards Kinda collapses all these companies start to the airlines the football team everything starts the collapse the casinos are bankruptcy and the one tax return that we've seen seen from from I ninety five showing him nearly a billion dollars in debt. What was that ninety period like for Donald Trump and how was he able to serve recover and get back on his feet? Well it was a near ear death experience for him. Financially he came very close <hes> to going bankrupt but for Fred trump and donald trump siblings agreeing to extend him thirty million dollar loan from the families estate he he would have missed some debt payments that would have thrown him into a personal bankruptcy and and that would have been the end of Donald Trump that was in the early nineteen ninety his sister Marion trump berry with Mary to to Fella named John Berry and John Berry was the one person in the family other than Fred Trump who donald listen to and John Barry was also well regarded by all the other children and Fred like John Odd Berry so John Berry ultimately became the the broker whenever the family had to find solutions to personal or financial problems so when Donald needed money the family essentially held a little conclave in trump tower. I believe was around nineteen ninety-one and he's got payments through that he can't make and none of his siblings want to give the money her none of them trust him enough and you have to remember to that during this period he was also trying to scheme to get control of his father's estate. Fred was on a steady decline into Alzheimer's and Donald was being very makia valiant about trying to get basically become the executor of Fred's estate so he could direct more money to himself. That's another long crazy tail but the children appropriately a high degree of suspicion of him his brother Robert had worked with them in Atlantic City and and trump treated horribly Robert didn't trust him his sisters have very low level of trust and none of them wanted to give him money but John made did happen and John made a decision that it would be bad for all of them if Donald ended up in the gutter so they essentially loan him thirty million dollars and made him post collateral enroll against that money and his collateral was his share of his inheritance from his father's estate and then they they got the cash to him the person that we see now in the White House never would have never would have evolved solved into that person he would have just been another guy who got nuked by being greedy in the in the in the one thousand nine hundred and early nineteen ninety s he survived for three reasons. I reason which is always ubiquitous force in his life. It's reds money. He was able to dip into his father's wallet and his father in the family bailed him out from his own financial mistakes. The second thing he did was he came to this realization that he had so much stuff. The banks didn't want to own and that they needed to sell that they actually weren't gonNA force him into bankruptcy because they needed in there to help them sell it. <hes> and the first sort of light bulb that went off in his head was when they were trying to get rid of a a yacht he owned the a small New England Bank. <hes> had a lien against and in the bank said you know you owe us. A big payment here in trump didn't have the money to pay them and he said look. I'm just GonNa give you the keys you can have the yacht and they said No. We don't want the what kind of a deal can we work out so we can manage this together and boom. He realized wow I can do that on the Plaza Hotel I can do that on all the other real estate I have no one actually wants to nuke me because they need me so that insight was a second reason he survived the third reason he survived is because of who he is <hes> he has a reptilian ability to continually move ooh forward without evolving but with just keeping his head down and letting things roll off of his scales he doesn't really absorb disappointment in a way that is defeatist. He believes in his own myths about who he is. He has a deeply racial aerien sense of himself as a superman and that's allowed him. You know to to survive three marriages. His business setbacks a being treated as a pin Yada in the national media and just keep moving forward so he also has you know that survival instinct and I wanNA talk a little bit about about the trump organization itself because you looked into that in considerable depth and I think it's I think to those of us that haven't you know it's it's kind of confusing. How is this a big corporation is big entity or there are a lot of people working there? How is it sort of structured in in and also sort of a second part to that is how is it evolved right so posts this sort of collapse of donald trump going into debt and then sort of reviving? Having himself over the last decade decade and half you mentioned the apprentice early on pretty started doing all these international all these deals abroad and Toronto Azerbaijan in Georgia and Panama you know how is he sort of evolved as a as a businessman over the over this time in house the trump organization involved okay well so the first one is the trump organization is a mom and pop shop that essentially licenses Donald Trump's name an image on anything they they can sell whether it's a mattress men's underwear stakes water ties shirts you name it if he can get a sack full of cash have his name put on something he we'll do it. You know he comes out of of this. You know into this financial wilderness in the early nineteen ninety s or banks would not lend money to him. People didn't want to deals with him. He got a couple of small boutique deals on that. We're pretty good deals in the late nineties but he wasn't a big force and and then the apprentice comes along and he was making good money from that show it wasn't you know New York real estate mogul money but he's making good money from the show but he also discovered covered that that people wanted to partner with him because they saw the host of the apprentice is a good brand for them to latch onto and that's when he starts pursuing all of these sketchy partnerships primarily abroad but also in the United States you know he launched the trump Soho hotel with a partners with organized crime ties famously feel acceder Felix by the way surface in my litigation with trump. That's how Felix I became kind of publicly down. We deposed him in that litigation and as as an aside. We asked trump during his deposition. Are you aware Felix Sater's background. You know organized crime. He said No. I wasn't aware you know this is two thousand seven so we certainly made him aware that during his deposition Vietnam been aware of it before but later on when he was deposed I think in two thousand nine and possibly again in two thousand eleven in other cases where they asked if you feel excited you know he said I wouldn't know Felix Iffy you know walked into this room which which is a flat-out lie feel very well so because he can't get back money of of of scale in the nineties and going two thousand he needs to partner with people who are willing to put cash on the table and and essentially he he turns himself into a human shingle and sells himself and the trump name for a fee and for equity and some of these projects and and that explains the deals in Brazil an Indonesian Azerbaijan Genre and <hes> India the trump Soho in New York the efforts to get stuff done in Toronto an interesting getting things done in Moscow etc etc.. There's not a lot of money for him in any of those things at the most on some of them. It's maybe two million dollars a year which by most people standards is is a nice lucrative chunk of change but for someone who's been positioning himself as a billionaire real estate developer. It's CHUMP chump change. He becomes fascinated with golf courses during this period and actually builds a great golf course in Bedminster New Jersey he opens it up to non elites. It was hard for for average folks to get into some of the other legacy Agassi Golf Clubs in New Jersey Horse country. He opens up a great club with a great course he finances it in a smart way. It's very popular. The membership sell out very quickly and then he thinks he's got the MIDAS his touch and he begins buying golf courses Willy Nilly and he said a very mixed track record since then on the golf course front but that's sort of a labor of love for the most part he bought turnberry a legendary course in Scotland Aland on the west coast of Scotland and developed another course on the east coast of Scotland near Aberdeen at a time when I was curious about how we financed those and I still think that that's hanging out there as initially I think the trump so hotel in and some of his golf club purchases are something that I would imagine congressional investigators might WanNa take a look at if they're curious about how he financed those things where the money came from mm-hmm and whose partners were I the one one question I have for you is when I look at the two thousand eight two thousand nine period where it's the the great recession real estate crash but there's no dad to bail them out <hes> does he need to be bailed out who bails him out Deutsche Bank so so the biggest thing hanging over his head the only thing he had personally guaranteed when things are going to the dumper then was <hes> <hes> the trump international <hes> tower in Chicago and that building was financed with some hedge fund money some of Donald own money a big loan from Deutsche Bank Donald took out and he ended up you know he personally guaranteed some of the financing and that building which I always found amazing given his near death experience from the early nineties when he said he tells me in the mid to thousands and I will never do that again because it scared the hell out of me and then Bam the second he gets an opportunity to build a big high-profile project in Chicago. He personally guarantees it. It's a measure of how undisciplined this guy with the only big commercial bank that continued to do business donald trump after the mid nineteen ninety s was deutchebanks and Deutsche Bank and a lot of ways was a rogue bank. It continually got into trouble for things like money. LAUNDERING INTEREST RATE RIGGING <hes> questionable transactions nations moving funds out of Moscow into Europe <hes> money laundering allegations in the U._S. on and on and on and on and their commercial lending arm had Donald Trump's the client and they had alone on the Chicago building in the mid you know to thousands right when the when the great recession started to kick in and when it happened Donald Sued Deutsche Bank and told them that they were responsible for the great recession because they were a big bank that traded mortgage-backed securities and therefore because they had helped 'cause the cataclysm he was claiming force measure and arguing that he didn't have to pay them back any other loans. Now it's amazing to me is then settled out a court trump feedback some portion when he was able to but Deutsche Bank kept doing business with him. You know any other bank where one of their primary clients sues them makes up this crazy story about why they're not paying them back and then they go to court to iron it out and then they continue to do business raises a lot of questions about why I I think Congress could usefully explore why that relationship continued his loans were in the Commercial Bank at Georgia and they moved it over into the private bank after the litigation because the commercial bankers didn't WanNA deal them so rather than simply like cut the rope and cut at this guy loose they just move to another part of the bank so Deutscher felt some reason that it was valuable to them to keep him on board as a client in. I don't know I've not seen in a reporting that gives me a satisfactory has for that in and that's also what sort of make some of the some of the deals that involve a ton of cash such as you know buying golf course in in Scotland <hes> and you know the the Moscow projects the Moscow tower that was apparently according to the court records was going to <hes> get him more than three hundred million dollars in the hundreds of millions of dollars. That's a fake number. That's Felix Sater's number. That's what Felix said they would get feel because they we give Putin a condo another thing for fifty million or whatever that was totally Felix pulling crap out of his ear <hes> trump I don't think trump would have gotten hundreds of millions of that project because because to get that he would have had to put hundreds of millions into it at least tens of millions and <hes> and he hasn't been putting that kind of money into any real estate projects other than the turnberry golf course <hes> so <hes> you know his partners in Moscow would have been driving that deal stuck his name on the on the project and he would have gotten a feet in the millions of dollars which interest him. That's not to say they'll that's not attractive to him but the idea that I think I think I think congress and investigators only throw around. He stood to gain hundreds of millions of dollars off that project need to check themselves because the only person who's been saying that it's Alexander and I guess if he was going to be getting hundreds of millions of dollars in there then there's something obviously incredibly suspicious about that yeah and I just think Felix is a is a B._S.. Artists in a marketer in I think he was throwing those numbers around and <hes> you know to push the project but I don't think that you know bringing the number down hundreds of millions to millions to me doesn't change the core problem with it which is that trump was actually considering a project in Moscow OSCO while campaigning to be president and he had a financial interest in Moscow and you can't divorce that from where he was in terms of making policy decisions and involving Russia whether that was economic sanctions that the Obama Administration had imposed or revisions in U._S.. Policy towards Ukraine that the Obama Administration had also imposed after Vladimir Putin San Russian troops oops into Crimea and I think we still don't know what kind of course training took place around that I think when everyone saw trump and Putin together and Helsinki and and the president of the United States was willing linked to disparage publicly his own law enforcement and intelligence officers in the service of showing that it could be buddy buddy with Vladimir Putin you would have to have many many screws loose not to wonder what is motivation relation for doing that was whether or not he was compromising policy in order to Pat Wallet in in his previous interactions with people that had mob ties potentially you know when he started doing all this business abroad the people interested in his in sort of buying his name you know others Adam Davidson is sort of written about the the project in in Baku in Azerbaijan with Iranian revolutionary hard money potentially going in there trump Panama aw with <hes> with potentially cartel money Brazil Brazil where he had you know troubled pension partner in trump Toronto with with Russian mobsters you know interacting with with figures connected to the Kremlin or or or with the Russian government or with Russian mob ties would not have been something that would have given trump any sort of second or third thoughts right right because you know if you have bag of cash and you know the switchboard number of the trump organization prior to twenty fifteen you could walk in there and do a deal with Donald trump any reporter could call up the trump organization and get him on the phone like three seconds. He has never worked hard aired by the way he he rolls into the Office on eleven in the morning. He likes to get out by like two or three to play golf. He's impatient. He doesn't read he doesn't process information that you know this notion that he's a night. All who works hard is is a farce. He's a night owl who's eating cheeseburgers and watching sports and he never did due diligence which is part of that same problem is people would come in to transact with him and if there was enough money on the table and he didn't have to work hard to get it that was gold him and if he didn't have to go into debt to make it work because that was part of the religion he got coming out of the early nineties. You know he said to me. In the early nineties his father's one of his father's pieces of ice. Tim was never personally guarantee anything and that he had ignored that advice and gone ahead and personally guaranteed nine million dollars came back to haunt him. I think after that you know he really just wanted to do deals that didn't involve him having to go into debt and where he could see cash upfront in. That's really the common denominator in all of those deals trump university bear stearns broker walks into trump towers had got this idea. We can use your name name for an online university quote unquote where we're going to tell people your real estate secrets it will charge them a lot of money to get tutorials with you. I think trump's response to that was how tell me the smallest amount of work. I need to do to make that happen. Tell me how much money I get and what's my equity going to be and I don't think that's the conversation that's any different from the conversations he had with the guys from Baku or the guys in Brazil are the guys in Indonesia and he really really didn't doesn't care about his reputation being sullied by associating himself with rough trade during our deposition with him in December of two thousand seven then was bragging us during the deposition about how he had Russian investors floating in and out of his office every day and that you'd have to be a nut not to invest in Russia because it was the hottest market at the time he said and that <hes> he'd like to partner with Russians if he could and Felix Sater's was bringing Russians into his office for meetings and he owned up to all of that and he just doesn't care you know about the the regulatory the self regulatory things normal human beings do a concern about the reputation of concern about that doing harm to other people a concern about being so grasping greedy that destroys raise relationships or your own dreams. He just is Mr. Id that's essentially who he is great. Tim Thank you so much. This is a really rich conversation always happy to help Max <music>. If you're a politics junkie you need to be listening to the election ride home podcast.

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Ep 177: Kardashian Bonus Show: Season 1 Finale Recap

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Ep 177: Kardashian Bonus Show: Season 1 Finale Recap

"Guys. I'm I'm Julie, and we're the girls behind comments by CELEBS and welcome back to another episode of our Kardashian Bonus Show season one episode eight season finale how you doing? The leave it I've so happy. This was a ride rewatching this entire season. One was something I did not know that I needed to do, and I cannot express you the happiness that I feel for the fact that we did it. Can I tell you the craziest thing like I. Literally in this moment was like I would have been so happy with myself to just watch it as a personal thing. We watch it like and then it's like for the purpose of this. But the thing is I always say like I'm just so unbelievably grateful for like for being able to do this for having people that care as much as we do, but. I, don't know if I would actually just sat down and watched it like it would have been so enjoyable, but I don't. You know. Of course it wouldn't I would have. It's a rub you never would have. There's no shot I would've like I. Need this this careers so beneficial for my TV watching habits because it makes me do it like I just I. Don't know this whole. I'm just having one of those moments again. We're like this was the most exciting thing. Ever end the Courtney Scott Fever. The scene Kim started this businesswoman. Just all of it I'm telling you guys. We really you've come foreign this season like. I'm so glad to have you along for the ride. Because this was truly so enjoyable, no! It on my God the time it was I I'm just so happy. I'm in the Best Munari now you know me, too, and I also want to say so. You know last week. We were kind of talking about. What are we going to do going forward? Because as you know the reason we started doing season recap was because season seventeen just randomly went on hiatus and we were thinking. You know after this is over. Should we go into season two? What are you guys want? And probably I would say ninety five percent of the feedback was like. Please keep going. Do seem to season three. Keep going till there's season seventeen comes back. But, there were also some people that wanted more targeted episodes or deep dive, so to make everybody happy or we're GONNA. Do is next week. We're GONNA take a break, and we're GONNA do a deep episodes that may be on a family member may be on one specific episode for example showing the Mars wedding. I don't know yet or figure it out kind of like a pallet cleanser, and then from there onto season two and hopefully. We'll just continue with the seasons up until the season seventeen comes because I really think there's something very unique about starting through from the beginning, it gives you a sense of understanding today's Kardashians in a much more dynamic way. Don't you think absolutely? Yeah, it's. I don't know it's just. It's just a lot of fucking fought I cannot wait. Are you ready? I got. Let's let's do it. Let's get into it. End I. WanNa say net if you have a friend in your life. That's a Kardashian enthusiasts that enjoys just mentioned that we've been doing this guy feel like a lot of people don't know that we've been recapping season. One in like we get these people holy Shit I needed this. I had no idea like just tell a friend telecom dashing. Fran I want people to experience this with us because that's like magic, I feel. I so agree. Let's get into it. So as we know, this was the season finale and seen one. We start with Kim at the show, which is a car show that she's hosting. If you guys remember back in the day, this is around two seven, two thousand seven time Kim was doing a lot of these hosting gigs according. Khloe hadn't started too much, but this was really Kim's prime thing. And you know she gets there and she's autographing magazines taking pictures with fans, and some guy comes up to her and asked her if she's dating Reggie, Bush and she kind of response and she's like you know I'm not here to talk about my personal life and in her confessionals. She says she goes being in. The public is really cool. When people recognizing me is a real trip, but there's one thing that drives me absolutely crazy about being famous, and that's everyone wanting to know all the details about who I'm dating. And she saying that one of her duties of the DUB show is that she has to announce the performers, and the performer is fabulous. The rapper and she's like I've only met him one time before, but the tabloids have constantly claimed that we're dating. She's like so I decided to have fun with it, so she gets onstage and she's like so the next performer is once rumored to be my boyfriend so probably. After announcing today, we might get married. And she says her conventional. She's like listen. The tabloids come up with these rumors. People that I'm dating. Can you do okay star love to I. This is what I. This is what I mean when I say. Kim just has that energy unlike it just goes to show their different strengths remember when. X. Factor. Wow I, forgot about that. You just said it. Yup Out. Carly it was the core. Sandra has harmony that whole season. Yeah, there's a lot of nostalgia coming for mutually really I know I also want to say that one. I had no idea that they ever rumors about her in fabulous, but that's just funny, but also the energy that she carries here I. appreciate it like. She knew that she was new hot girl on the scene and I just think she exuded so much confidence that I was loving watching. Just loving it. It's funny, because I think. She exuded so much confidence for she was at the time, but like compared to now. It's like it's a different person. Owes totally different person, but you have to understand I. mean shouldn't have this billion dollar empire. She didn't you know all these things like for what? She was at the time line for what her career was I. think she really just owned it? I really do horse. I think she has so many qualities that are so similar that it's like when you're watching. It almost seems like it's like. Oh, she's she's never changed. But like when you actually pay attention or little mannerisms in the way she is like it's. It's honestly night and day. It is even something I wanted to mention just in terms of things at stayed consistent is something I noticed throughout the entire episode, and this is also something that any person, famous, not famous Waiters waitresses anybody that we've ever spoken to said that Kim Kardashian in person is one of the most like cordial nice to all staff type of person, and even this episode whether it was the audience she was speaking to you whether it was that Valet game, no matter who it was, she always was so like unbelievably polite and I do not think that was for the cameras I. Really think that just how she treats everyone I agree I think that's the one like one of the only things about her. That hasn't changed in the slightest. And if you remember, she said that she learned that lesson from Paris Hilton. which also? That's the other thing about Paris. Hear a lot of stuff about Paris, Hilton. You don't hear that she's mean you always hear that. She treats everybody around her with like kindness and Kim always said that when you when they were growing up, and of course Paris was more in the limelight that there's always at just be nice to everyone you never know and I guess you. Don't do the. Yeah I do. So neck scene is Kim. Courtney Claudia Dash and Kim gets a call from Cindy her publicist, which did you? The same experience of me is like Oh tracy like you'll. You'll be there soon. Enough Kid. Names have all the old people. Come up because I. Don't remember them. Yeah. It was like when Stephen was doing her makeup last week and I was like when does Mario Convince? You know yeah, exactly. So the publicist gets on the phone and she goes so people have called and I'm a little concerned about it. They were saying that you were hanging out with terrence Howard over the weekend page six called the post, but they have really specific things that they're asking me to confirm by the way I'm sure most of you know, but terrence Howard at the time was thirty seven at the time. You is best known for the movie. Hustle and flow, and of course now we know him best from empire, so Kim's like like what in interconfessional she goes off my publicist Cindy. It's her job to make sure that everything that the press writes about me is true. And saw him at butter and I. Literally we were completely separate tables like across the room, and we must have weighed each other for like a second and Christina goes. Why would they even think that then according to goes I? Mean I took a picture with him and he's like Oh. That's they confuse you and Courtney there. You have it in her confessional goes. I've been really trying to not let these rumors. Get me, but they're really getting out of hand. Can I say a couple of things? Yeah, because I think to say go. I know you preservers. My only thing is i. think it's so funny that that's how can describe the of a publicist. We. That's what I was gonNA. Say That's okay. Okay so guys. This is word for word. What she said. Let me just re Societas Okay I get a call from publicist in the end. It's her job to make sure that everything that the press writes about me. Is True what I WANNA say? You Julie Number One. That's hilarious description, but also. Those moments where it's so clear that this is season one because they realized they have to take the extra steps to explain to us. Such normal things quote normal things now that at the time it was like maybe you weren't familiar with the concept publicist, and like weren't a million with what they would do for the crashes, and it's just so interesting how they had to really set the scene you know. Yeah totally like literally the role of the publicist view actually wanted to describe it would be like. Yes indies by publicize. It's her job to figure out what to do. When people say a Lotta Shit about me, that isn't true. I don't. Get her get her more PR, but it was interesting because it was almost like she was explaining it to us while also figuring out for herself. You know yet to really funny. And the second that I wanted to say was terrence Howard was just the last person I've is expecting. Way, also, this may be a dumb question or like. Maybe really wasn't as deep as I may handle. Why would she show concerned about the fact that they would have been dated because she's dating Reggie at this point I think yeah, I think it was because of as we find out later with Ryan, seacrest interview I think things so weren't confirmed with Reggie. She didn't want to step on toes. I think I think I will make don't think he's. Yeah I don't think it had anything to do about tarrant specifically, also I wanted to say because I'm sure some of you guys had the same thought when she was saying that they weren't butter. I remember. Two Thousand, seven, thousand eight butter was the spot that was a celebrity hotspot I remember just constantly seeing in people magazine like Jessica Simpson. Whoever was leaving constantly? And when she saw the when she said it really brought me back, you know. Yes Am. We were talking about the. Butter I. When I think butter, no part of me goes through restaurant like obviously I think of butter. It's my favorite food, but also like if you're describing something. That wasn't butter butter I would think of the sweatshirts Oh my God! That's so funny! I totally think of the restaurant. I don't know why. It's interesting. I am shocked because you are a butter girl on I, know it. A broader sweatshirt, girl and I. I knew the first time I saw you. Okay so. Next know they get home and are kind of talking about these rumors and Kim sits down that famous spot in Calabasas House the same spot the she's video chat with Reggie at its. We see her doing a lot of stuff from this one laptop and looking at the articles Jews like bullish Kim Kardashian has a new man. The beauty has been out on the town. hunky actor terrence Howard they were all over each other she was sitting is laugh and he was rubbing her, but. She quits on. Another article is like who's dating Kim Kardashian and she's going down the list and she goes. Okay, let's see how many are true. She starts listening to Monte goes. Okay four out of ten. The Florida ten were Reggie. Bush Ray j Nick Cannon and Nicholas. And they just read where you that they that they zoomed in on the screen so that we could know exactly which four. I was thankful for you because you're doing the outline very doubtful. Lot of times when they do shit like that like they don't actually tell you for a time. Cracks rich specifically. They were talking about. Yeah, it was almost like we saw the answers to her budget buzzfeed quiz. You know yes. So we, we added in a little research. I think that you would find this interesting, so we know. Reggie Bush two thousand, seventeen, thousand ten okay, Ray J on the Internet, says they dated from two, thousand, five, thousand, seven on and off, but the sex tape was made in two thousand two, so we're not entirely sure the timeline. Nick Cannon they dated from two thousand six to two thousand seven. At apparently, they broke up because of the sex Jason in what Nick said on the Howard. Stern show was quote. This is my issue. We talked about the tape and she told me there was no tape. She's actually one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. But the fact that she lied and told me there was no tape. And then Nick O'Shea they went on one day to see the Davinci Code Two, thousand six, and he said quote shift about halfway through and went to the restroom, and then shockingly, there were twenty five points Rossi when we left the theater. That's what he told Andy Haunted interview he goes. I think there were other things in play at our little rendezvous. I did not know about Nick Cannon. Now I deal. That they broke the sexy. I somehow knew that I totally forgot about Nicholas. Like really clearly until. Nick O'Shea. I think it's because I've always had an interest in Canada. I don't know why you that I was like a wild announced. Stand for a little while right now I didn't. Oh Julia Out I. Like had a dream about being on it, no joke. Watch the God's sign her up. She wants to do it. I'm getting second hand embarrassment by the way just speaking about how we always talk Hollywood is. Like, constant pool, everybody dating the same people I cannot think of people that have dated more people than like. Nick O'Shea. Can't you know what I mean? They all operate within the same ecosystem. Yeah. I. Also note funny. Is that like this is why it's good that we worked at it like unique cannon I knew Nicholas we put together. We have a full thing. Yeah, lack of memories, complimentary Actually I. Think I agree. I agree. So Kim's reading. She goes I cannot believe that they have this as if it's fact, employees like. Why does mom have the picture of you as her screensaver, not me in court. He's like because mom gets ten percent. Which? Never gets old. It never gets old and it's just interesting. How as we get older as we get older as they get older, it transfers from Kim, Kylie to like both of them. Be mean either way. We're also getting older. Forgot for a second, not ten percent of really gets me the happiest when it's in the form of a comment. There was one I forget exactly what was remembering. Yes, yes, Carwyn Chris commented on Cardi and we were like screen. Shot the Fuck Outta that we have to put that up I know. Something! That really upsets me by the way. We'll post anything even when we hold off on posting so much crashing content because we know that although our podcast audience, our fans that like somehow are followers just aren't that that big of fans are they really like hating and like post? One thing is universally funny and the haters out of the woodwork, and it's like. Could you show for literally ten seconds like just ten? You know yet, literally I know. It's so infuriating anyway. So clawing corner, trying to get her to stop breeding with Jeff and telling Kim. Michelson it's stupid. fixate on it and Kim interconfessional goes according to claw. You're saying it's not a big deal on all of our friends and family know is not true, but the whole world thinks is true some already to appear on the Ryan seacrest radio show and I think this is the perfect opportunity for me to set the record straight. and. Kim is talking to Scott and Courtney. Oh, I got visit love. Can Talk has gone corny and she goes. I'm so excited to go on. Ryan secrets in the morning because I just feel like I can clear all these rumors of all these guys that is supposedly dated last question that I can finally given the answers, and they'll all realize I'm not a slower bag and Scott goes. You're not a slower and you know it goes. I know I'm totally anti. Slower and totally the anti slower. Scott picks up according the Rose are over his shoulders. You're not. You're not a slur, but let's go make for tenure for the night. COME ON SLUR! Favorite Line of like real season, I think. I I'm sorry like okay. Two things were happening while this is happening as I was watching this episode, which was like an hour, folks, I always watch right before we records with fresh my mind, one of my friends, my friend, Jess was sending me Courtney Scott Post from two thousand thirteen on Instagram, like because she really scrolled back and it was the like. The two of those things emerging me watching it onscreen, and also watching their like instagram relation I was having an out of body. Experience like I'm writing this. I. Also the other thing by the way that I really appreciate like there are so many couples at the time that we're so cute like for example, Reggie and Kim work couple, but the way the Korean. Scott were so sexually open with the audience, and with the family was so fun to watch, and they were so fun like they've been dating for a while at this point and I felt like they never lost that little spark they had. Yes it was almost like they felt like they were in their honeymoons. As even though they were in like a very committed relationships. Still I know I love it I love it. Love it. Love it. I want them back together. I kept if if we never watched this season. I don't think I would gone to that point. Nat enough like that in itself solely you, in addition to all these people inbox specifically you feeling that way is like worth enough for me. We're doing this because. Like? A prior to Sofia right, we have X. amount of time with Sophia which took up so much by brain space. Of them being there meet loving them together and I still stand by that I still like if they got back together, I would be so fine at that because I really liked them together, but then previous to that. My memories of Courtney Scott kind of like take up my brand space are all like negative memories I forgot what it was when they were like happy and positive I think it's a mixture of watching this season, but also there are so many tiktok sounds of Courtney and Scott where I'm like they sound happy there, unlike like brings me back I forgot what it was like when they were good. Will by the way talk for anybody that is an tucker isn't aware to knock is fully on accordion Scott. Campaign like they've really support this mission entirely, too. I like I. Like took a seven just like a little bit of Just now because I thought you were to say for anybody. WHO's not on Tick Tock Tick Tock this APP. TIKTOK is so teams according to the point where they put down Sophia which I really hate because like the two can coexist like this is the biggest thing that I wish could just be known more generally which I know, our audience agrees with because I genuinely feel like we have a very positive uplifting audience like. You can both things can be true. You can want corneas got together and also thinks gone. Sophie are a great couple. Think that Sophie is a beautiful proud woman, and the to do not have any sort of. Any sort of Conflict you know. Yeah, you want that to be trouble if you want. There's no limit to what you want. Exactly exactly how I feel. So okay. Oh, I won't last. Thing I'm sorry I every time it's gotten according stuff comes up i. just get so caught up, but I think you guys will agree with this. And I wanted to tell you this Julie I realized something else and I know this is a personal thing, but I'm curious if anybody else is having this reaction. So. You know when you're watching something like this. Especially a reality show in you're watching so in-depth like this young relationship at the time. They're in their early twenties. It's kind of like us. You put yourself in the shoes of the people that you're watching and. Something about myself that I've noticed just throughout like previous relationships. Is that I? ENJOY PD not to the point where it's disrespectful, but I really appreciate when like my partner can be affectionate around my family around people like is an embarrassed and again not only a disrespectful way, but like I want you to hold my hand I want you to like occasionally. Kiss me and make it not weird and something that I'm realizing that I like this so much is because I love Scott's comfort with doing that without making a disrespectful like I think I I see that in like the partner that I wanna just it. I. Don't know what I'm saying. Yes, and I. think that the best way to explain that is that I think that appropriate PDA in front of family. Not only like shows where your relationships at, but were shows like the comfort with the family which I think is a huge factor. Huge factor specifically here you know Ryan, I think that's also specifically why you like it. Because people were on cockrel around like their partner's family like ten till. They probably wouldn't show PDA like very stiff around them like it's. It's like them getting comfortable like you now, but like when you're comfortable in your and you know that like that, you know their family and your comfort their family. Thing is just becomes natural. Yeah, not for everyone. Some people are always opposed to, but yes, completely enemy. FAMILIES LIKE DON'T WANNA! See at all. Yeah, but I'm also. It depends on the person like there are some people that are just so opposed to that like it's just a personal thing. They don't deal with that, but I totally agree with you because yeah for me like with yes ivory. Okay moving on. Accident I the last episode, making a lot of comparisons, my own life and I'm sorry I don't mean to have been having these moments that come up, okay L.. Show like very narcissistic, and I want to move on, but I can't help because it just comes up. As, we all know Hollywood is shutdown right now, so all production stopped. Funding for new projects is hard to come by which is why they're really has never been a better time to kind of talk through the entertainment industry's issues and try to re imagine Hollywood, and that is what Hollywood the sequel, which is a new podcast from L.. A. Studios will be doing so basically. 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Going Courtney they're all on and Ryan's like so. Many earlier this morning we were talking about your history of the social scene in social circle. Income goes. You Know I. Just want to set the record straight. Let's be honest, asked me everything and he goes well. It's going to be very easy. Let me start with the list of guys, so I asked that Joe Francis and she's like no way to my sister's friend, then she. He Asks Pete Wentz which like were you like? We're the fuck you come from. I I know but then once. What was her answer? Was I knew where it came from? Yes, she goes. No, but I did kiss him I was in his video. We had a kissing scene, but I also kissed the monkey in that video. It was the thanks for the memories, video. That saw. that. I was GONNA say everybody just like take a moment after this episode. Watch appreciate it. Would you watch it because I? Did it was a killed me? Yeah Yeah Yeah I did I. Worry makes me. Laugh I actually to thanks to save report. We continue one thing that really makes me. Laugh is the idea of Ken having to. Put on like like seek out jobs like having. Somebody Got Josh Heard Agency got jobs where she's at a music video, but refuses to dance like the idea of that of her agent contact like being music video, but you can't make her dance as probably the funniest thing in the entire world to make. Larry kind of like for Milkman. Right and the second one I was. GonNa say. Is that something I got to be so classic. Kim Is that like the whole time she's talking to Courtney. Kim. I mean coordinating Khloe and she's like yeah, but I'm going on Ryan. Tomorrow I can just clear everything up like I'll just do one on their. Meanwhile, they're onto. I by the way I was expecting it to interview with I. Get there. We got there. We get there and earn note negative there. Or, just, watching They get there and clothing coordinator Mike and I was like wait. What the fuck I felt like they were just going for emotional support, which kind of just is really just a metaphor for the entire season or the early seasons as to how much of the center of attention can wasn't i? Don't think they minded, but I just didn't even realize. Running carry on that so any so thanks so Ryan asked about terrence Howard and Kim's like. Oh, the stories, hysterical importance like I was the one sitting on his lap at And Ryan Guests Reggie Bush he is, she's like. Reggie Mayer good friends and Ryan goes. A couple of things there was on. A pregnant pause, the new shifted eye contact. Have you ever seen Reggie Bush? His shirt off and she goes. Yeah I. Mean Aren't there. Lots of commercials and stuff with his shirt off and Ryan goes so we're GONNA put that as yes, but there's definitely potential there, because you do think he's cute and can goes no. No I said to myself I'm going to be single for a year. This is the only time in my life that I can focus on work. I have no time away from my family. If you date me, it's like you're dating my whole family and Ryan Got Wrangles Oh God oh God you're dating Chris Too. By the way before we get into it I just WanNa, say that. The way that Kim answered this question kind of like playfully and. Really not giving too much, but also giving enough for there to be a headline just goes to show in my opinion that like this is. The version of Kim, that we see on talk shows now and frequently discussing how poised she is and how much she was made for. This is the same Kim just a lot more refined now, but like she always had that in her. Yes, I always thought elections the natural talent, but she had. It is I do. You Go. Nogo. I was just GonNa say that like I, thought that ride wording that question like that was so weird. which question the Reggie with a short off like that's such a weird way to ask that. I know I think he was trying to I. It was our main Kaba with his shirt off. Does that mean we're dating? Honestly by that lodge. Maybe! In that case like there's neck as me and Jason memo are like more than dating. We are fully fucking like in love. that. Proves were dating if that's the case. seriously. So Ryan thanks for coming in leave. They walk into a separate room and Chris later. That was so great. And, she's like. Do you feel good? You feel like you cleared. The rumors and Kim's like I feel like with the rumors thing it happens to everyone, and I get really sensitive with that it when it's so true Chris like I think you just have to toughen up a little bit. Get a little tougher skin because that's going to start happening all the time. In that moment I literally felt like judge like. This. Around hold on. The way you just done done was like. Why did you harmonize the first dawn? You say. DAMNED UNDONE You. L. Like. Who would you literally like your Jennifer Hudson in that moment I don't know I just got into me. I'm so sorry I. Don't know does happen, but. Singer. Haven't. Flushing no, but. What I was GonNa say is the in that moment it goes to show like yes Chris this is going to start happening a fuck ton, and she is going to get tougher skin like it's so crazy that they have these moments on camera Yet is crazy. There is a moment later on. Remind me to bring this up because I think. There's a moment later on where it was like you're so lucky. You have this footage. Yeah, I know what you're going to I, know you mean I think I know okay. Next Scene Kim is in the car, driving in her weight Range Rover and she gets a call from Trish who as a title as Tabloid Magazine Assistant Editor? Trish goes. Listen. I want to tell you something. I could get fired for telling you this but I. Think it's the right thing to do so there's this photographer guy has been trying to shop these photos of union sister and trying to sell them tour magazine. It's a naked picture of you and your sister and there's some guy, too. I just thought you should know and can go. Wait me and my sister together enter, said yeah, he said it was you and your sister in some guy. And Kevin Hart. confessionals like I know where these pictures came from I thought I was already done with this. Let me. Ask You if there are more people in the industry like Trish Hollywood, Hollywood would be a much happier and safer place. I completely agree that is a stand up thing to do that is like I'm going to choose my morality, and this woman's like writer privacy over quick date, or at this Time magazine Bait, and I just think it's completely completely agree with you. I had a lot of respect for whoever this person is. You know we have the Internet or eight. Yeah I still think know obviously. We had the Internet, but I still being the magazines were like so much more of a thing than than like buzzfeed article, you know yeah. I mean there is TMZ, but yeah I know you mean no, but think about it. Two thousand seven. You're reading. Literally? Cracking me up tonight. I think that's telling you guys should know is that when we record this episode? We do it on Tuesday night, and so we have like Wednesday. We go back. We do any edits, etc, but we always look the entire today to do on Tuesdays. There's any rush. Were we always wait till after midnight or around eleven twelve? Just because we feel like our energy is the most exciting at this time and I knew I said to Julia is like we're GonNa have so much fun because I'm just feeling so alive, don't you? Yeah, Sam, yeah I derive. At midnight. Yes, you really do okay so Kim walks into the Calabasas House and she's crying and this was kind of like our introduction to Kim's crying face. And she's calling Chris and Chris like what's wrong and she goes those pictures of Courtney. And she sees courtney and chloe pulling up two thousand. According there I can't even face them I. Don't WanNa Talk to Courtney, so she runs off crying and she's in her bedroom, hysterically crying. She's like it's all my fault. You know what I mean and Chris goes. We're GONNA. Get to the bottom of this, okay. By the way I know if you didn't watch this episode, you're wondering like what the fuck are these pictures we're going get to that. In literally one minute Chris kind of does a big reveals Anyway so Kim's just visibly distraught and she's really upset about facing K.. Lennon Christie's please cry. I'm sorry Kim I'm really sorry I don't know what to do. And what I thought was really beautiful. Here was that these were pictures according which again we'll get into in literally a minute, but you can see Kim is not worried at all for south like she is just feeling so bad about the fact that. She is she feels responsible for this leak happening and she's like Courtney. I'm responsible for ruining someone's life. Chris Goes Kim. You're not responsible for something. Courtney did in high school. And this is when Chris says her confessional she goes when Corny was in high school. She unfortunately took some pictures of her and her boyfriend together without any clothes on. And Kim's crying. She's like I can handle. This is just courtney I've been through this and Kim. You're sixteen years old and she's like, but it was all my fault. You know what I mean and in her confessional Chris, says Kim's Joel. Courtney's pictures is a practical joke, but at some point she lost them and 'cause like we have to deal with the problem and not blame ourselves right now and interconfessional Kim is like I'm the one the stories from Courtney and left them around for somebody to get their hands on and I. Feel Awful that because of me taking these from her. It's going to ruin her life. One thing before we get into the rest of the team that I have a question for you. Am I missing something? Or what was the? What was the inbetween between someone saying came was also in these pictures to it. Just being according her boyfriend like was that just a someone was misspeaking or Kim wasn't the photos. What was the deal there? I was confused about that also obviously I. Don't think cameras in the photos. Photos but I think that whoever was shopping around knew that having Kim's name attached to it made them stronger so even if it wasn't actually in the picture to say like Kim and courtney naked photos, like would make the magazine more like enticed to buy then I. Don't know I thought the agree to, but I've from everything. I'm hearing like I don't think this has anything to do with like actually being in the photos. At, first to be honest with you by the way this was one of those time I obviously remembered. The scene by didn't remember the details like I forgot it was Khloe at Cornell her boyfriend I thought that it was like naked photos of Gordian Cam which in the bananas okay that makes sense, but then once court boyfriend was involved I was like listen. That family is close, but not close enough to like. Take naked pictures with your sister's boyfriend, you know. Yeah. I think it's also possible that like whoever called Kim, trust my girl. Just had the wrong information. It was a telephone in something just got lost in translation. That was just a moment where I wish, she would have explained that test, but anyway so Chris walks out of the room in Kim. Hysterical increases like okay. I need to get Khloe any doctor, so she brings close. She's like listen. I've got a problem Kim's in the other room. She's really upset. Do you remember those pictures that were taken? You guys were in high. High, school and close corneas photos increases like yes, they've resurfacing. We've got a big problem because somebody was trying to sell the pictures to magazine, so you need to help, get you know. Courtney busy enclosed like she's not GonNa, tell her drew's like she's GonNa. Tell her she needs time. It's very stressful. They're just go get her. Keep her busy until I deal with Kim. and. In Chris Confessional Checklist these girls when I really need to do is just get a grip in figure it out. I want to say before we continue with the scene because it was really intense like. Say What you want about. Chris and I think there are so many people that are like. She's a bad MoD. How could you be okay with US whenever in this moment? The last thing you need to be doing reprimanding your daughter for doing something quote scandalous what you need to be doing exactly what she is, which is comforting, Kim and also dealing with the logistics of it so to me like I thought she handled is beautifully. Yes, and I thought she handled it. Back for a second. There are times Chris where she makes two different approaches, and we still see this where it's like handling it as a manager in handling mom, and sometimes those two things are very different, sometimes they overlap, but sometimes those two things have very different approaches in very different goals, but I think that and I think that's where a lot of criticism comes from, but I think in this moment. This is one where it overlapped perfectly where she headed. Absolutely best case scenario is she could as a mom, but also best case scenario. She cut as a manager. Totally agree with you totally agree. So Chris go back into Kim's room and she's like Kim the home with her lawyer and the lawyer goes. Is there any indication that anyone is told that these? When these photos were taken and can goes I. Think People know they were ten years ago and Lura goes. The pictures are obviously Courtney's underage. The fact that She's underage makes them illegal and Chris like okay good point so Christner confessionals like this is a child pornography case. These kids are teenagers. They're in high school there. Underage and anyone. Who Do we selling or buying these photos? It's a federal offense. and Chris Alerts like okay, so we can go after the guy who sold them the lawyers like yes. And, in her confessional Kim says you know the last person who had access to these pictures that I know it was my ex husband by the way for anybody who's unaware, because I did not know his name off the top of my head either Kim's ex husband is Damon. Thomas and she was nineteen when they got married. He was ten years older than her marriage lasted three years from two, thousand, two, thousand, three, and Kim claimed the divorce papers. Papers he had Kim claimed the divorce papers that he had become controlling, and she said she said this later that she was on ecstasy when they got married I. Still by the way, this is like the least important storyline about this whole episode like I will never get over this I will never I will never have a moment where I hear this news that she was married for three years in two thousand and not be like Holy Shit, say. And I think that's actually creating that. We forget about it so often because I think it says it goes so much like who she is as a person, I think she grew up very quickly after that fact and I think it makes a lot of sense why. Totally and also by the way something that I wanted to quickly mention. I think that we will just continue to recap. The season's like. Whenever the car. Season is on hiatus and a lot of people. Were like Holy Shit, I cannot wait for you guys to get to the season's with. Kris Humphries because you will not understand how Kim was in that and this whole episode has got me thinking of how excited I am to like really deeply analyze those dynamics because I never ever understood that relationship. Yeah the only thing that ever made sense of that relationship and she said it will. Times was the fact that Khloe. was married to Lamar. That Horton had Scott. Ken felt like kind of the one out, and she felt like you know she wanted to get married. She wanted to have kids. She wanted to start that part of her life so I think she just picked who she was with and didn't really think about like. Is this person might? Is this I? I watch I love this person like why not and then I think in retrospect. She was like what the fuck was I think she put the idea of marriage and the idea of having family above like. The actually the person that she was going to be doing that. On paper I mean Kris Humphries. Was You know? What. I mean tall NBA player. fucking I thought he was so off. Me But I was like very, but then just everything about his demeanor was so. I always thought he was a knockoff Blake Griffin. He was Walmart Blake Griffin. Griffin is so sexy jewel. He, so fucking sexy! 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Sco Sif, she's free and chloe is looking at a magazine, trying to draconian like they're both sitting there reading these magazines in there, flipping through which like? I don't know there's just something crazy. One about watch seeing anyone looked through magazines in the way that they were like considering the fact that magazines at the time were like one of the prominent source. Sources of tabloids would also like the Kardashians looking at the magazines. Analyzing other celebrities was a bug out to watch. And close like they're in here, according to like, why don't you think Barron's? The MAG is? They were talking about Barron. Hilton. Right interesting I was thinking was around the same time. That Barron trump was born, and it was the photos of him that they had released when he was first born. But Barron Hilton makes more sets. Didn't even think of that. It must have been a must've bright hell. Aired about Barron trump. Yeah, exactly also. They wouldn't have known him by name. They would have said like trump's son I feel. Big Deal I remember no, it was i. just think the way they were talking about. It was Barron. Hilton Yeah. That's such an interesting point. I loved magazines. I miss the feeling of like flipping through a magazine. Oh same. So Chris in the other room with Kim, and they're on the phone now with Kim's husband and Chris, the one that's on the phone and she's like you know I just WanNa give I just want him to give you a heads up. At how far who's going and Kim in her confessionals like so call my husband. He seems to have an idea of who could be causing trouble. A friend wants stated his house and Chris the. axios that he take these from your house. Did he ever tell you who's going to sell them and then? She positives like no, he wouldn't tell you that okay. Confessional Chris like the one thing I know we have to do is listen to the people that are trying to help us and not try to take control this whole situation myself. This is the case for the FBI. You have that moment to Julie well. I just think it's funny because I forgot that like the context of that quote and I just think it's funny. The way we use it as like as a joke, but in this case it was literally a case for the FBI. No, that's exactly the thought that I had and I'm sure if you guys. Have you guys listen to podcasts. You. Guys obviously know the fact that we always anytime happens in television or a movie where we realized that's where the me incomes army. That's where the gift comes from. comes us, and in that moment i. had that exact same experience like. This is being used by us to so casually so. Fun and meanwhile this was literally a child pornography case. and. It's funny because we use it and making fun of Chris in the sense of like. When you when you I? It's funny because I had this whole thing played out in my head, what I thought that quote was from, and for some reason I thought it was just like something really funny in casual that they were trying to figure out like Chris being dramatic in a confessional was like. This is a case for the FBI. Had In my head like how the act that played out when it happens here I was like. I. Feel like when people see this as a medium. They don't realize that she was being serious in that moment, either. They definitely have no idea because if we don't have an idea, the average person. You know. I know. Isn't that crazy though? So Kim's lawyers like listen i. just got off the phone a special agent Bernie. He's FBI. They like to arrange a meeting with you as soon as possible. Making come to you, so Kim's like to do think any pictures are going out by tomorrow and the lawyers like. I can't answer that one for you because we don't know what this guy's done, but we do know that he's emailed a couple of the photos. So according to clear stone the room, they're looking at magazines close. Like Angelina has great boobs and Corey. There's like. The region. And Court! He's fed up and she's like I gotta go. So she knocked on the door the room. Kim's in and Kim's like I don't WanNa Talk I can't do it. Chris goes out and she's like listen will tell you what's going on. Just give us a minute and she's you're hiding. It is just bizarre. And, Interconfessional Chris, the two of us can barely bear the thought of telling Corny, what's going on? We know we have to because the FBI's on way, but like. Basically this shitty situation that they were constantly were dreading in like it was going to happen any moment now and I just could sense the anxiety in the room. Couldn't you yeah very much? So. Kim's like and I gotta just tell corn. Get it over with. So go into living room. Chris like Corny. We have something that we need to share with you. And Kim's like guests come back to haunt US Kim by the way hysterical, according to like my sex pictures and interconfessional cornish like in a weird way I was kind of prepared for this, because these pictures of always been haunting me. And Kim explains to her that you know. They got a call from someone saying that an agency is trying to shop them around and her confessional, according to these figures were privately that I took with my boyfriend long time ago and I never thought that anybody would see them and Kim's esther. She's like I. Don't care what they say about me, but when they said about you, that's when I can handle it in. Kim says in confessional so non-emotional that I. Know that she's probably really worried in really scared. She's like, but then again. You know we've gone through this before. And what Chris Sessions Listen I think that when this happened with him the first time around, it was really a disaster. Even though we ended up winning her lawsuit, she took on herself without any of us. And once we all got involved. That's from the whole thing turned around. She's like so this time we went straight to the FBI and that's who's coming over here now. The police, the FBI in the attorney Holy Shit. I know. Like. Like imagine that these weren't the Kardashians like just for your average family. This is the fucking big deal you know. Yeah, it is, it's a huge deal. I do think though like. Taking away, of course, the element of A child in the photos child pornography because that no matter what year it's a huge fucking deal and absolutely discussing, but like let's say in the Pictures Courtney was twenty two or something. I think that now these would be less of a quote. Panic as it was at the time because I think just like nudity in general is so much more like only fans is a thing like it's so much more widely accepted of course child pornography separates the case, but I'm saying that if this. This was just a regular like leak. It would net with the same panicked today's Day and age. What do you think well? No I agree with you but I. think that the reason for that is is it's less about like. It's not that big of a deal to have nudes, which no, it's not, and it's more like in this day and age. It was like Oh. My God, according to Your News cannot get out because like it'll ruin your career like people look down upon you. And I think for a really long time, even after this that was the case, and I think we're just now starting to get to a place where it's like. It's not even about your career whatever people looking down on you or whatever the public perception is going to be? It's more like we understand. What an invasion of privacy and how like? How awful that is feeling for you to have your privacy violated like that, and so much less about like the actual idea of the fact that you were taking naked photos exact-. That's exactly what I want. That's like such a perfect way to put in. That's what I wanna say like now the focus would be on how terrible it is that there was an. An invasion of privacy, and if a brand or a company or whatever it was wanted to not work with the person because they're news, really they would get shit. Do you know what saying right like the whole that was? What's interesting? wash now because I always like it's really hard to watch. These episodes tweet like with twenty twenty goggles knowing it's twenty twenty. Two thousand seven, like sometimes you have to really try hard to show off that part of your brain. Because the way we view things is so different now and I. I think we all find ourselves like. Not just crashes like anything when things combat. How was that okay how they do that? They have to know better, but like at the time. That was the mentality. We can't change. What the mentality! What? The culture was in two thousand seven that we can go back in time. It'd be like that is not what they should have been concerned about like. They shouldn't have been concerned about her career. They were concerned about her privacy. We can't change the fact that that's what the culture was, so it's really hard looking back on that and not. Automatically doing that because we think so differently now, but I really think that it's so interesting as a point to see how far we have come in that regard, and I think it's only just now that we're starting to move that way. Only in the past two or three years I think we've really made that change I so agree with you. It is so recent it's such a reason change I would. I would say the past two years and even still were not fully there, but like the the the. The shame elements again. It's still there like I'm not saying that it's not please don't think that I'm saying that, but the shame element has definitely become so much less in terms of like the way, the public shames people in that regard I think it's healthy a you're allowed again. not this case because of the child pornography element of it but I'm saying like you're allowed to take naked pictures and feel great about your body, and take naked pictures with your boyfriend, and like that is you're right. There's nothing wrong with doing that and I think society is accepting that, and what's so fucking interesting and so ironic about this is like Carter, the reason that. I want to be very careful with my words, because I'm not giving the crashing credit for this, but part of the reason that nude pictures are more are circulating more freely is partially because of Kim Kardashian and and their willingness to kind of do this type of thing about Kim's Webby. Speech Nude Selfish till I die like she is one of the celebrities that made that thing in. It's so interesting that the very thing they were panicked. About is the very thing that she was going to become so comfortable with. Will that's what happens when you take the power away and the best example I can think of right now is of most recent is Bella Thorne and I think that showed a the ability to take the power back and be like listen if you're going to lead these fucking like myself I don't care and the reaction that was. At Whoopi Goldberg when Whoopi. Goldberg was on the view saying. Listen like if you're gonNA, take these photos than you have to know that like. They're gonNA get leaked or somebody's going to hack them in. Everyone was like that's show. Not The point like I think that was the first time where somebody criticized. The taking the nude photos where they actually came back, and we're like everyone actually came back and was like that's so not the winter. Like. How are you GonNa? Miss the point of and that it's worse to have taken the photos in the first place. How is that worse than somebody invading your privacy and selling these photos in exploiting you? Exactly, that's such a good example. No, I totally agree I really do. So next scene and love and get passionate Julie. Thank you I so happy and like just. You should know do. They know that like? We don't do this on zoom like we can't see right now. We've never been able to other doing the podcast, so I just can envision Julie 'cause I. Know exactly how her hand moves when she gets. Going to say that. Just know you so fucking well and I know exactly what you probably. So he wanted to tell you guys about one of our favorite podcasts. Is Everything iconic with Danny? Pellegrino you. Guys may know him, but he's a comedian and a writer, and he has this podcast where he basically breaks down reality TV iconic pop culture moments the stuff that we all have to talk about real hassle is prompt. 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Kim's crying chemicals I think. Okay sorry. I know this was like two seconds seen I was having I was thinking in my head. Like think about your average ten and eleven year old younger siblings like talking about the family drama. The last thing is like the FBI is coming over like what I know it is. It's so crazy. It's so crazy, so. Any other room. You know they're talking about according to listen. I don't want you to feel bad and feel like it's your phone like it is my fault. She's like yeah, well. We were young I took the pictures. My Phone Kim's like everyone has sex with her boyfriend. Everyone takes pictures and Chris is like will not everyone takes pictures. Chris I. Know You have a sex tape with? Even play that I know. I can't wait till I do that I. Really think it's so hot. So FBI arrives and crystal. Okay, girls the FBI. As! I did not I did not inter that with the power deserves. Chris literally goes okay girls the FBI. He just got so okay. We're other all sitting at the on Chris. She goes okay girls. The FBI's here. Look your best. was so good and grew walk into a bank. How Julie, how is that not the line that is viral versus the gift that's like this is a case for the FBI. Because it's so much more like reactionary like the FBI. That is the best lied. I Turn into a full on Jewish mother. In that moment, it was so amazing it was so meaning it was like. Oh my God I just loved every second of that. So Chris explaining the confessional. The FBI COMES THEY WANNA. Eat interview each one of them separately and Kim's like saying you know it's stressful because every single thing that you are saying they're writing it down. She's like I want to do it. As fast as possible, they can hurry up and they can get out there and find this guy and Chris goes as if the face as of the FBI. Interviewing daughters scary enough I still need to tell Caitlin was going on. So Chris Tells chloe. Take Handle Kylie in gasoline. Ee, I'm gonNA tell Kaylynn. You about that eating here. No because they're getting home Caitlyn's coming home with Kylian Kendall meanwhile, the seen before Kevin Kelly are already in the house in their room. Oh, yeah I didn't even notice that I. Really don't think that I like pay attention to that. Aspects I I fully revert back to like my first time. TV watching south, not paying attention to the little parts a reality television that I know now you know, yeah, also were like Berry different that regard because like annoying. I tried to find mistakes in movies and you don't do that. Yeah, I. Didn't take a terrible quality that I have because I have to like I also like I have to ruin it for everybody else. When I noticed it too like I can't keep it to myself. That's such an opposite thing that we have I like, so don't have that. So is like okay Kaelin. Shoes has like there's been a little situation. Gordon, the office right now with the FBI cameras like Oh really. She goes years ago to TV bloopers and practical jokes. The IRS was after me Chris like no. This is not a blooper or a practical joking hands like it's not something like that and she goes no I swear to God. And CAITLYN says according. She's like okay. What's going on now? And Kim's like for once? It has nothing to do with me. And corny cycles, and I'm just hoping that Caitlyn will be understanding. Wish like if we have seen anything. This is literally Caitlyn's worst nightmare like I was thinking. If you were pressed about them, taking became pictures at Joe. Francis House like just fucking. Wait you know by the way fuck that logic. I, totally agree obviously. Here, fuck that it. Killing goes when you're young stupide, make mistakes, but in today's society those mistake stay with you for the rest of Your Life One guy post one of those shots online. Is there for life? Your grandkids will be looking at them. Like. By the way, do you think your teaching? Her son lesson here that she isn't learning. In this exact moment, the FBI are literally in their house. Because somebody is trying to shop them around magazines and tabloids, and you think like the best time to explain 'cause effective actions is right now. She's got it this. Even like one of those cases like anything you could say to me. I've already said to myself like it's not her saying it's herself. It's like the FBI is at your house. She doesn't need a fucking lecture right now. It would be like if this was the name of wound and salt literally like Kayla fucking wrenching that wounded salts. Yeah it's like I. Don't like I had like a whole speech of what I WANNA to say. It just it was also I also the stark contrast between the way that Chris handed the way the Caitlyn held it which I understand like generally speaking. CAITLYN's views are a lot more conservative Christian something. We've seen throughout this entire season. Something that I think we continue to see later on in later seasons, but here was not that moment like here at the moment where we just need you to be supportive of your stepdaughter and really. Embrace the anxiety like just provide her sense of comfort, and like we didn't need your lecture right now and if we didn't need a she fucking held didn't need it. You know right like I. think that you have as a parent. Have shoe very distinct roles in a situation like this. One would be like winning. You know what happens like this would have been if you WANNA have this lecture Fryer or like? When these photos were first taken, and no one had seen them or take them whatever you want to have this lecture about. Thanks come to haunt. You fine. That's totally the appropriate reaction. Kids need to know that kids need to learn that whatever, but in this moment you needed to take on the role of protector and be like listen what you did is one thing, but like the fact that somebody's trying to explain he was a whole other thing in. You need to go into protection mode. It was, so it was. I felt like it was really Amiss placement of the blame. You know what I mean like. Oh Yeah. I don't know. It also came across the just like very like. Don't fucking blame her like as a vulnerable as vulnerable woman. Who you're feeling your body. You're by the way your child like your seventeen year. Old Body is being exposed. The last thing you need also I, think I was just taking I was just taking this I was really putting myself in this situation. And I was just like this is not what I would have wanted to hear. You know what I mean. The other thing that I was gonNA say I. Don't agree with the statement, but like it's a little bit. Like maybe thinking too much. But I kind of understood like how Caitlyn's relationship was so strained with her other kids in the sense that like. CAITLIN was working. Caitlyn was doing the Olympics heels doing all these things when they were little, and then by the time that they were kind of older and Caitlin was born involved in our lives like. The judgment that Caitlin has in so many situations like I think that would be literally unbearable as a teenager growing up when your father wasn't there for the first part of your life so like. Why'd you have judgment now? The especially like your relationships already strained in unlike the relationship. You do have I. Don't know their relationship I'm just assuming based on the way that Kaelin reacted in this situation and other situations that like if your relationship already strained. Because like you know, there was a huge aspect of your childhood that you missed because of work or whatever various reasons that like. To be more present when you're older with. The judgment that goes along with having teenagers I think that would be. That would strain anybody's relationship I. Think I totally agree and we? We don't really ever fully. We know from brody and from rand at their relationship has been an Israeli strain, but we don't know the full details. That's a really good question. Reminder if we ever have any of them on the show to ask that. Who's reminded of you reminded us because you know we're an organic. Yeah, so any according says you know like I'm GonNa Call Scott. I'm going to see you know. He's coming here on cans. Like does he know about it yet? And he goes no and cams like Oh God. So Scott arrives and interconfessional. Gordon's like I. Hate telling people things because they got really nervous when I smile and laugh I. Don't think this is a joke, because it's really serious A. Thanks to yes, a lot of a lot of like certain certain now you have certain qualities McCartney than a little bit similar. I don't mean that negatively, but you do you know because they called her? Don Emotional in the first half of the episode yeah. So you know she says Scott Down. So you know I have sex pictures when I was seventeen. Scott like no according to like you know with Jeff so much trying to sell them to everyone Scott goes, and that was before your job is your mad. Kushner. Scott and Scott Goes I don't know if you're serious. These are the FBI. They're not wearing very nice suits and cancelling. Outline all my God. Yes, Scotland fucking FBI would have come in with like a three piece you know. And canceling no is not a joke. I found that out Scott goes well. That's ridiculous canes like. A joke, it's the last thing that I wanna see as my girlfriend with somebody else, nor do I want the world to. and. Kayla Nassif courtrooms with anyone in them accordingly. Yes, Jeff's in one picture and Scott goes all right. I'm getting like a mental picture. I don't WanNa. Think about it. That's just disgusting. When go to the bathroom to throw up? And couldn't go into the kitchen and scots like so, how do you feel about yourself? According goes? I feel fine about myself. I was seventeen. I took pictures with my boyfriend and Scott's like you're saying because you're seventeen is not a big deal. She goes no it. It is a big deal and Scott's like. Why do you key meshing the age I? Don't understand like it was now. You wouldn't be mad and she's like I. Don't know I'm just saying you do things. When you're young. You don't always think about. Scott like I, didn't according to Okay Doll I'm so sure got sick I, didn't he goes okay and Scott Goes. You know that whatever not not even thing would ever happen with our relationship, just for the record and interconfessional, according to like I totally get where scots coming from. It's just really comforting to know that he's supporting me no matter what. quickly. I WANNA mention. I know in that when I'm reading that as I'm reading the transcript. It sounds like he was being very judgmental, but that was like very much, not the vibe from the scene. I, felt. Like. I didn't think that the way he rafted was how I would have wanted him to react, but again that could be like a twenty twenty, looking at a two thousand seven situation. But I do think that. Or any concern in telling Scott was that it was going to have some effect on their relationship if it got out so I think that Scott, telling her that like nothing would happen. was what corning needed to hear in that moment like all of his other stupid bullshit questions like giving her a hard time for the first minute, honestly faded the second. He said that what you should set it again. This is not me like rewarding men for the bare minimum I genuinely think that was the right thing to say, and also it was funny when he was like. No, I never like basically saying I never did anything. I was like honey just way too fucking year to. Lucy too soon. So You, know so camas is like okay, just everyone. Please say tonight when we go to bed. I'm so drained and they're all like. We want to just get into bed, Chris like get into bed and watch the bachelor, and they all know Christmas like I. Love You no matter what they go to bed. and Chris Walks into the kitchen. That's Kendall is and interconfessional Chris like when our family has kind of drama, it's hard on the little ones, and so candles is like. I was the FBI here Chris like well. The FBI was here because these are the people that you call when a really big grownup problem they come to help. I'll tell you more about it when you're when you're growing up, okay. And Kendall in like the most mature eleven-year-old like okay. Like, it was Kylie like no. Tell me tell me you. GotTa turn that into a really good learning experience for them, but they may have been a little too young. Young. Girl. Also something that I want to say is when Kim was saying like everyone. Pray tonight, and this is something. The commentators have spoken about in about the Kardashians for so long as like. This is a family. When they say pray, they really need it. They are very religious. Spiritual family and I genuinely think like they were praying like I. Think every single. One of them was genuinely praying with whatever it was. You know like they don't just say that term loosely. No I think so too I. Agree with you. Yeah, okay so the next day. Chris gets a call that they got the guy the FBI one in the middle of the night. They have everybody that they email the picture. Solicit them to they have the responses have the source of where the pictures originally came from an it was kind of like best case scenario, especially, because according to this time line had happened within twenty four hours. I don't know if that was really the case, but according to the skyline. Kim, according are so relieved according to like I kept waking up at four in the morning, and going on TMZ and like I, know just in the best mood, no pictures and Chris, like think. We've all learned a valuable lesson. Don't trust. Anybody and Kim goes I wanted to. Learn right most valuable lesson you can learn. Yeah, and can goes. I want to be known to not be mess with seriously. I want my lawsuit now. The FBI got this right away I want people to know that the Kardashians cannot be fucked with which like. They're gonNA. Fuck a couple years. By the way that was the part where I was saying where it was like like I'm so glad you have the footage of just you saying that because like. The way I had a picture in my head. You'RE GONNA. Laugh was way ahead of picture. My head was like them doing a movie, not a documentary, a movie about him going from a Reality Star to a lawyer, and like the opening scene was like Kim sit with her family, being like I just want to be known as somebody, who's not to fuck wit, and that it's like ten years later came in court. Yes, that's that's exactly. It was the lead literally back. It was it was it was. Shot Accord. You're looking for no I fucking love you know I. Did foreshadowing did come to my mind, but I I was gonna say like it was just very as a viewer. It was a proud moment I think for me, you know I too, and she has so many of. There's so many little things that she's pointed out. It's like even though I know at this point. She literally had zero intention of becoming a lawyer like. Zero actual intention of making this come to fruition. There are so many little things that she says Mike. If you only knew yeah, exactly and interconfessional, she says you know. Fame has advantages in definitely disadvantages, and whenever we do reflects on my family, so now I know it has to get it right so last seen Kylie Kylian Kendall or in their playhouse and in mind. This is the same playhouse that stormy has. That's a fucking trip now. I like. It's too much for me to handle it really is. Especially, because Kylie's in posting so much that fucking play recently, I know. So Kim comes to get them by the way the Alpha they were wearing this that was obedient, even mentioned which we should have like the amount of Cheetah in this episode was. Truly like genuinely was more than like. Season One Jersey Shore. It was everywhere. Now, you're right, so she comes to get them showing these thigh high boots mistake i. don't even know and she's like. I know that you guys sometimes don't understand what goes on and I'm sorry. If at school. Maybe your friend said things to you or come to you in maybe things that you don't know the whole truth about you have three big scissors that you could always come to. And when you get to that point, you do like boys I want you to be able to call me and tell me whenever you want to and interconfessional when it really comes down to it, the most important thing in life is family. And it was just like a very sweet kind of seen in. You can just see the embrace in like. It's funny, because now we think of them as we don't think of Kylie. Income is the same age, but the different seem so much less because like they both have children. They're both bucking almost billionaires like this really does show the age difference than it was just interesting like watching the maternal aspect there. And you'll council listen. It's been quite here for our family. All the skeletons are out of the 'cause I hope, but overall I think we're a lot closer Chris is like we love each other a lot and we have each other's back for sure, and there's nothing like family especially those crazy Kardashians. especially those crazy Kardashian. Oh, my God Julie The fucking ride of my life. Like I remember the first season I am. I cannot believe we're watching this it is, it has been such. A gift is so much fucking fun. Can I tell you what I'm really not prepared for what? I'm really not prepared for Lamar I'm not ready to get hurt like that again I know especially in light of the fact that we're already. We're like mid getting her with her reunion like seemingly reunion with Tristen, so it was just going to be a lot I. don't know I just I don't know you guys I. Hope I, hope that you listening field I every time, but I really. Really. Hope that like you get the same level of joy that we get from watching it from doing. It's so much fun. It's such a nice one hour break. It is such a beautiful high point in my week and I just love every single one of you so much I know I don't know you, but I feel like. I do and I'm just so appreciative like we both are. Young is such a crazy experience. Where so so so appreciative and thank you offer carrying about this as much as we do. And also I wanna say this is like really not a growth tactic I swear, but like I. If you have a public story and you like tag us, watching the podcast, I love that I watch every single one. Even if I don't like, open it or respond, I see when you do that. Just makes Matthys alike dude. I love that. Anything on AD. I don't think so. Let me just end. You leave. You guys with this owner obviously going to talk about it next week, but Isabelle just said this. TRICIA paid his tweets. Talking isn't the fucking funny thing. Chachi crying over her brand, not having the best launch bish nobody cares about me either some over here figuring my pussy for five dollars. Get another job. WHAT THE FUCK! I can't I can't. I cannot this. I promise you were talking about it now. With this fucking Taty Shane, dowse endeavors are James. Charles Shit is so wild and like I literally I don't care like when happen the first time I really cared. I don't care this wings. I'm so disgusted by the whole thing like. I think just there's so much to really want to get into, but this tweet was just hilarious. 'cause like. TRICIA, it's quite literally the version of like nothing in council me at this point I like the lowest of low like I. Don't give a shit anymore like she truly does not give one fuck and I just feel like she's watching missile people caring so much and she's just like. was that when you literally have nothing to lose? You just do whatever the fuck you want you know. That's exactly I. also like it's so funny, the contrast between like how much we all care the first time and now timing the second women there are definitely people still care, but I feel like they're all expecting like people give. As much as they cared the first time they care this time in like. I mean like. I mean the nicest way that a person can be in this I. don't care about any of you like eat in the literal slightest bit and also I mean you can't ignore the climate like Corona virus, and and how prominent the black lives matter, movement is right now. Thank God, which is incredible, so I think people have this thing of like read the room. Kind of you know what I mean like the last thing. People are really carrying about as the indepth drama of the beauty world kind of vibe. Or we sort. On her youtube video, literally literally, there was probably a thousand comments that were like. And by the way the cops that kill Brianna Taylor are still not arrested so like. It was. Don't know I think that was just kind of general vibe which? I just. Like. I know. You could technically make that argument about any other thing that's going on like you can take the argument by any celebrity drama anything that's happening, but I think it's a lot different when like? Other people are reporting on news or other things are happening, and they just kind of happened simultaneously I think the idea of broadcasting your drama and expecting people to care about it and expects people to pay attention to it right now is very different than just like celebrity news. Being told it's you cannot compare the two things. Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox being spotted in airport together. Like an really you know putting in love. Fueling the dating rumors is totally different and from a news cycle perspective, taty makings entire video. Bring up drama from last year. That quite frankly is just so it's so. I like the I i. don't WanNa. Get into now because I really am hesitant to speak on these things until I one refresh my memory about what happened the first time because quite frankly I don't fully remember it. I want to. Jeffrey says anything just a piece everything together, but like at the bottom line. You are a grown woman, James Charles a twenty year, old man and like. That that whole thing I. Don't think I fully grasped how. Like, we're that was the first time around the fact that you were literally sought out. Even though she says she wasn't trying to cancel him that like. It's just so. It's so weird tonight, so we are to me there, so. Run into a more like on the actual product was like it's not even that I wanna talk about what actually happened. It's more like I want to talk about. The situation as a whole. I know. No I totally agree and a lot of people saying. Can you do emergency episode like I just said No. We're not doing it on I. Know the passions about there. 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Trump's big gamble on Atlantic City

Spectacular Failures

43:24 min | 1 year ago

Trump's big gamble on Atlantic City

"In los amigos mexican restaurant and bar is a sliver of a place tucked between the monolithic gambling halls of caesar's bally's in atlantic city and it's tacos is our eight talisman of sorts. Yeah i think so yeah a few people like i had a couple of gamblers that used to have to eat here before they went. That's patch camelia owned los amigos for forty years and in that time she said more than a few superstitious high rollers swing through her spot for some baja fish tacos or karnataka's does before hitting the tables there <hes> host would bring them in and said every time he tear he's lucky to someone employed by casino to take care of the big gamblers who are also called wales and this one whale couldn't get enough of los amigos so the fellow told me he goes yeah win when i come here so i was like back she it's awesome. It really felt lucky so that was a big plus size ceo. Keep winning. Please this whale. His gambling spot of choice was trump taj. Mahal the now defunct casino previously owned by the forty fifth president of the united states donald j trump if high rollers are whales than the taj. Gosh mall was the most opulent over the top whale sanctuary in the world. When it opened in one thousand nine hundred it was the largest most expensive casino ever built with with its minarets and domes and life-size elephant statues the taj cost nearly a billion dollars and boasted gaming floor the size of three football fields the utterly fantastic trump taj mahal casino resort where every day is a holiday and every night is new year's eve so take a magic ride or the eighth. I wonder of the world that trump taj mahal casino resort in atlantic city new casino the eighth wonder of the world wonder the pyramid of giza thought about that pop superstar michael jackson and supermodel elle macphearson were on hand for the grand opening so was lifestyles of the rich and famous robin leach because you know why not at times mahal casino is the wonder of the world on that diet thing. The beloved glum ranked nine seventy five thousand fan dan. He's swept away but they didn't stop the casino. Take topping two million dollars for the day away from the throng. I asked donald bringing in michael was his ultimate from michael taj mahal. He's my friend. He's a tremendous talent and it's really my honor. It's <hes> it's a big day for me. Shout shoutout to robin leach for using trump card in an absolutely on ironic way in addition to its other superlatives taj was the most lucrative casino in the world hauling and hundreds of thousands of dollars a day at least for a while but then just a year after it opened atlantic city's most glittery diamond and the crown joel in trump's casino empire went bankrupt a year after that trump's to other new jersey casinos also filed for bankruptcy by the time the final dice were thrown at the taj gaj. Two thousand sixteen trump's casino operation had gone bankrupt six times trump entertainment resorts the holding company that owned trump's casinos gino's was the only public company trump ever ran and every year that trump was in charge lost money in spite of that it's c._e._o. Donald j trump pulled down seven-figure bonuses year after year. The story of trump entertainment resorts is a story with many things it's about the basic supply and demand the relationship nation ship between a slick developer and desperate city and the consequences of gambling with other people's money and livelihoods and losing. I'm lauren over and from american american public media and the carlson school of management at the university of minnesota. This is spectacular failures. The show that goes all in on failure even the lady luck isn't always on our carside. If you've ever been to an american beach you have probably felt the presence of of atlantic city in the form of salt water taffy that sticky coastal confection that can be found in every cianci shop selling seashell jewelry and t shirts that read life life is better in flip flops salt water taffy was invented in atlantic city in the late eighteen eighty. S legend has it that a. storm dumped ocean water on an early batch of the candy hence its name but more likely the treats and vendor was just really good at marketing and that's also the story of the queen of resorts herself atlantic city in its early days. Atlantic city was billed as a health resort. The idea was air. There would cure people of illnesses and i and i love the the references is that they promised that if you come to atlantic city that you'll get lots of ozone that's bryant simon. He's a history professor at temple university university and the author of the book boardwalk dreams atlantic city and the fate of urban america and i can tell you from a recent trip to jersey's most famous shore i i took in tons of ozone and now cure to the vapors by the early nineteen hundreds atlantic city had shed its health resort vibe and started attracting a new white middle-class middle-class who suddenly had leisure time thanks tweet changing american economy as a destination atlantic city offered affordable luxury for the masses and it was a place to dress surf and march and say look i have enough money to take a week off and dress up and do nothing and that quickly became the more important thing the thing that make atlantic city america's first great middle class resort disneyland before there was disneyland. The key feature was the boardwalk with a capital be legged the most expensive monopoly property the original four mile long wooden walkway as wide is a two lane highway in some places was finished in one thousand nine hundred sixteen ecksteen and it was one of the most important promenades of the day a place to see and be seen people on the boardwalk save their best clothes so when they walk down the boardwalk and they weren't to muir clothing they were meant to be ostentatious and over the top pants that were cre- three so sharply they could cut you in the middle of the summer. Women wearing cashmere sweaters with mink stole is not worrying about sweating adding they wanted you to notice them being stole and at the heart of that gray was this ride down the boardwalk in a rowing chair. The rolling chair was one of the most unique attractions early atlantic city and one of the most troubling so think of a two person chair made out of wicker and then give it wheels and a handle the back so it can be pushed. It's like rickshaw but there's no real transportation purpose. The people getting pushed along had no particular place to go and the job of rolling chair pusher her that was generally reserved for black matte. It was a fantasy for white immigrants who sometimes we're not included in the american story for jews particularly securely for italians for the irish to be fully made into americans and how do you become fully made into americans. He become white and in part of being wade is controlling black labor. I mean that is a story of america. This boardwalk novelty along with the elegant hotels and restaurants staff by black workers allowed white vacationers to live out their race and class role playing fantasies and this friction would permeate the city for decades to come simon jokes that atlantic city's heyday was when everything along the boardwalk was shiny and new leg almost one hundred years ago but at least from a population standpoint he's right the city topped out at six thousand year round residents in nineteen thirty around that time prohibition brought all kinds of narrative wells to town doing things things that near dwells do boozing booze halls flopping and flop-houses your garden variety hustling by were to the city had tidied itself up in pitched into the war effort housing convalescing soldiers in the city's grand jazz age hotels and it's still captured a place in the country's imagination again it alantic city we will walk in a dream will be deep teaches and that is the timeless voice of mr dick haymes but everything wasn't peaches graham for atlantic city. Those war were to progress the city ground to a halt. This is the place that lives on fumes for a long time business. Hold out in the nineteen fifties. It's passed the tate. There's not a lot investment. There's not much new housing being built so it's really one of these places michael american cities where the heyday is nine hundred twenty nine plus as the the country's black population became more upwardly mobile and began vacationing at the shore a lot of white people were treated to the burbs and the backyard pools therein you know near-standard grouse white flight story i would argue that race and racism kill atlantic city that middle class whites no longer wanted to vacation in places that were diverse and they went to seek places that create that exclusion and that's disneyland in nineteen sixty four the city tried to pretty itself up for the democratic national convention but reporters still wrote about how trashing the city had become the hotels were in disrepair. The stores were boarded up up and huckster tried to shake people down for money at every turn by the early nineteen seventies. The city was desolate. Brian simon says residents used to joke that you could roll a bowling doing ball down the center of the boardwalk and it wouldn't hit anyone which probably wasn't a hilarious joke. If you ran one of the boardwalks penny arcades or hot dog stands or nine thousand thousands salt water taffy shops local leaders knew they had to make a drastic change. Elsa lennox said he was going to become a ghost town so they proposed a little plan to change change their luck. They would become vegas by the sea. Alantic city used to be the resort area in the country at deteriorated new jersey governor brendan byrne you bet the house on casino gambling in atlantic city in the move broader sense of hope to the place to revitalize it spur jobs and restore its reputation. Yes yes there will be problems like making sure organized. Crime has kept out but as a former judge and prosecutor. That's something i know how to do and as governor that's. That's what i intend to do. In nineteen seventy-six new jersey voters passed a referendum allowing casino gambling in atlantic city before this nevada was the only u s state with a legal eagle gambling operation. The decision was monumental drive around this town enough and you can feel the changes coming. It's not part of the regular seen gene like say salt water taffy but in among those familiar landmarks down the length of atlantic avenue you sense the excitement and challenge of change on the way of course all cities change but a bold new decision sets a city in motion for atlantic city. The decision of the century was casino gambling. Once casinos were legalized that was kind of transformative for the city and made the city a much which much more interesting place to be and to work. That's dan hannigan. He was the gaming writer for the press of atlantic city for twenty years. He also worked at the new new jersey casino control commission so he knows a little something about the business of chance. We're walking along the longest boardwalk in the world on an absolutely scorching hot day hey like i was sweating through my trousers so cute and again remember is that after the referendum the city was deluge with casino bids from all kinds of operators at one point. We counted somewhere around forty six different proposals for casinos. Oh my god that obviously really didn't happen but in order to make way for the glitz and glam new casinos most of the old legendary atlantic city hotels including the trae more and the marlboro blend more demolished mollis because when the chips are down you better put on your boettger vase double down and go for broke. The first casino to open in atlantic city was resorts which which is like a who's on first situation resorts actually the worst name for a resort demise the only one who thinks this anyway the hype around resorts opening was huge resorts opened. It was swamped. It was absolutely mocked the biggest problem they had they didn't have to do any marketing. They had. They had to deal with crowd control. They couldn't count the money that they won fast enough right and they would run out of coin. Here's how old paper bird the press of atlantic city described resorts opening at the time quote. The wheels are spinning in the dice. Rolling in the coins are linking in the grand ole. Damn damn atlantic. City has a saucy swivel in her hip. She never had before the city will never be the same again and that writer was correct. The city was never the same but perhaps not in the way the writer expected resort was part of the first wave of casinos to open in atlantic city. It was followed closely by caesar's bally's and harrah's all vegas mainstays nine casinos opened in the span of three years and they were great for the city. They brought that year round employment and tax revenue plus. The building boom made the city feel alive again but then hit the wall and the number of casinos casino space had grown faster than the demand for it did so in nineteen eighty-one or so places losing money basically there were too many casinos and not enough gamblers and it was in that environment that trump i came to town. We're going to take a quick break so i can go hit. The slots big money big money big money when we come back how donald trump's casino empire took shape and with the help of junk bonds eighteen hundred lawsuits and an illegal three point five million dollar loan from daddy trump and then of the whole operation fell apart <music> and spectacular failures is supported by ziprecruiter hiring used to be hard multiple job sites stacks of resumes confusing review process but today <unk> hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get it done. 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That's why we'd like like your help to plan for the future of the show by filling out a short survey super short so short about the season so far your responses will help us understand what you like about the show. Hopefully the whole thing what things we could improve on hopefully only like two things and what things you might want to see in the future just visit it's spectacular failures dot org slash survey once again. That's spectacular failures dot org slash survey. I really really hope you'll participate taping across thank you. I am not a gambler. I feel like it's real important to flag that up front. I know that we let has a wheel and crafts has a bunch of days and if you play any game long enough the house will eventually win. The first time i ever went to a casino i expected it to be like monte carlo with glamorous gowns and tuxedos. Everyone would be smoking allies. Drinking martini shaken not stirred not so casinos is at least in america are for the masses and recently at atlantic city's golden nugget casino. My producer whitney and i were those masses oh okay. I'm not playing twenty five dollars thing. I never bear to the golden. Nugget is the eighth best ranked casino. Yeah no out of nine. According to the news website nj dot com the casino features about fifteen hundred slot machines which person with sensitive ears like me about fourteen hundred ninety ninety nine slot machines too many in the machines. It was hard to know which one to pick way which came should we play beer house. Spartacus napoleon josephine pirate tyrod ship or the double diamond deluxe trouble diamonds we settled on the game called triple double diamond and fed fed a five dollar bill into the machine sadly. We didn't quite know how to play today's one armed. Bandits are just a bunch of flashing buttons and loud dings the recently video games with oh fun levers to pull so this isn't replaying. We're playing the slots right now yeah yeah. Do you wanna play the remaining no you're you're doing great in fact. I wasn't gonna get that triple. Diamond cut to three minutes later predominant <hes> sala money. You lost all my money so now. The golden gate is five dollars richer. You're welcome casino. We picked the golden nugget not because of what it is now but because of what it used used to be see before the golden nugget was the eighth best casino in atlantic city it began its life as part of donald trump's gaming empire it. Ah in the late seventies trump was just beginning to grow his real estate development business one of his early projects was the commodore hotel in midtown manhattan in the middle of the commodore deal trump got wind of just how much money a mid tier casino could bring in this is from his book the art of the deal now now for the first time it occurred to me that even if i finally got the hotel built and it became a major success in the greatest city in the world it still wouldn't be nearly as profitable as a a moderately successful casino hotel a small desert town in the southwest. I tried to get my producer read that his best trump voice but he refused sat in order to understand the growth of trump's gaming empire. I i understand a little about the man at this time and for that we'll turn to pulitzer. Prize is winning investigative reporter david kay johnston. He's covered trump. Since the late nineteen eighties he was the story atlantic city at two casinos and he's a flamboyant liam character unlike the other casino executives who are boring suits. He was clearly out marketing himself. This impresario johnston says fellow casino owners and state regulators were of the opinion that while trump might be great at selling brand he might not be so hot running gambling operation and they said donald donald is not an operator and i go what do you mean. Donald is not what what does that mean and it was code for other people run the business because he doesn't know anything about the casino she no business as with most things involving trump. The story gets real complicated real fast in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Two trump received a license to run a casino in atlantic atlantic city. The approval hearing took just minutes according to trump had gotten his financing in place and had received all the appropriate permits when he got a call from the c._e._o. Of the company me that owned harrah's casinos they wanted to partner with trump on his new venture and trump was like oh hell yeah partnering with harassment that harrah's would put put up the financing for the project and trump wouldn't have to risk anything and have that all taken care of on his first casino outing that was huge sorry so just like that trump. It added a casino to his growing portfolio of properties so the attraction was this was quick easy money and blow risk. This compared to being developer. Non was never a big developer you know he claims he's the biggest developer in new york. He was nowhere near that. He wasn't even in the top five or ten but this was an easy way to make a lot of money. Trump plaza opened in nineteen eighty-four to great fanfare the casino and hotel up an entire city block doc featured sixty thousand square feet of gaming space it was sleek and flashy and gave the common man a glimpse into brass and class of trump's new york world it also made a lot of cash trump plaza his first casino which is right at the center of the boardwalk was a mighty cash engine that was just spewing spewing money into his pocket left and right shortly after trump plaza opened on the boardwalk trump had the opportunity to open even bigger casino now on the city's marina the hilton hotel chain had built a hugely expensive waterfront casino. The casino control commission denied its application for a license. It's surprising that barron hilton owner of one of the largest hotel chains in the world couldn't get a casino license but donald trump could especially given the criteria doc which former gaming reporter dan hannigan explains are good character honesty integrity. You also have to show things like your financial stability your business ability and a and this applies to everyone involved holding company above up to the parent company and key employees officers directors all have to meet this standard after being denied a license hilton was desperate to get his project on track while simultaneously trying to fend off a takeover by vegas casino mogul steve win so when donald trump called with an offer to buy the stalled casino project hilton reluctantly answered trump borrowed three hundred fifty million then justify okay five million dollar fee off the top to pay himself for the deal and do you name the new operation trump's castle it opened in one thousand nine hundred five just a year after trump plaza plazas roulette wheels started spinning naturally trump's partners in his first casino weren't thrilled about the new purchase which would directly compete with their investment harris hair has sued trump but eventually he just bought out the company's shares again with borrowed money. That lawsuit was just one of nearly eighteen hundred that trump's casinos were involved in despite all those lawsuits david kate johnston says trump was never personally on the hook for anything financially. Donald never had a dollar invested invested in any of his casinos in the first one. He got money upfront from his partners. The second one the hilton he borrowed one hundred percent of the purchase price and took a five million dollar dollar fee off the top for himself the third one same thing he took these events so it never donald trump have a dollar. He had no skin in the game in atlantic city so his rate of return. You can't calculate it's infinite people wanted what trump is selling and that was gold plated grandeur in every man sort sort of luxury and he promoted that using the ultimate equalizer boxing trump plaza was legendary for its fight nights and there was none more legendary than nineteen eighty-eight heavyweight title bout between mike tyson and michael spinks special introductions i in the raiders at this time the gentleman resposible bringing this spectacular event to atlantic city and i would like him to be properly acknowledged the man's excessive business of minimizing the american dream they all of the year's bestselling book the auto the deal is vision and accomplishment made him than essential entrepreneur ladies the new jersey. Thanks had our host for this evening. I'll tap in boxing. Mr donald j trump ringside seats when four fifteen hundred dollars each and every celebrity who is anyone was there that night oprah madonna a handful full of madonna's ex-boyfriends tyson won by a knockout just ninety one seconds in but the match brought in more than seventy million dollars at the time was the highest grossing fight in history over trump plaza casino earned millions more than usual that night thanks to high rollers feeling particularly clearly flush. The donald had become an unstoppable force in atlantic city a fresh off his tyson spinks windfall trump bought the old playboy atlantis casino for sixty three million dollars and renamed at trump regency so if you're keeping track that's three atlantic city property is for trump in five years then came the biggest deal trump's career the taj mahal amidst rate hoopla this week. Donald trump is opening his one billion dollar taj mahal casino in atlantic city. Some economists call it a reckless gamble but the customers we talked to like just fine. This is truly the eighth wonder of the world how is beyond belief from any stanton and we think it's going to be a tremendous success despite the lavish layout it isn't the world's largest casino. These people have come to see what brought them. Here is the resort's charismatic and controversial owner donald trump. That's a pre fox. News bill o'reilly doing inside in addition puff piece on trump in nineteen ninety. Oh simpler times the taj mahal was a beast of resort at the time it was the tallest building in new jersey z. with more than twelve hundred hotel rooms twelve restaurants and strip club because y not but at the end of the day the taj was still just a casino trump's trump's third in what was already over saturated market. When he got his third casino the taj mahal he was competing against himself. You know the when in general motors had the cadillac buick oldsmobile pontiac and the chevrolet they differentiated them trump's three casinos and four hotels. All pretty pretty much attracted the same clientele. The only real difference was how they were financed like trump's to other atlantic city casinos. Taj wasn't trump's original development he he swooped in when the owner of the company developing the property died he then beat out entertainment legend merv griffin for ownership of the casino that would become the taj now this casino wasn't cheap but trump had to have it it promised to be doubling is most disney find casino in the city so he found found a way to finance it and how did trump pay for this leviathan of loot junk bonds now. If you listen to our previous episodes you'll be familiar with the concept act if you're new to the show welcome a junk. Bond is a risky financial product that offers the promise of a big pay for the investor. If the issuer of the bond is successful successful and it can get much needed cash to the bond issue or quickly but it can also put them up to their eyeballs in debt just as fast junk bonds are <hes> basically injecting debt onto the books of your company the same way that <hes> heroin dealers get you inject drugs into your bloodstream and it makes you feel good for a while but unless you have produced really phenomenal prophets the interest rate is so high. You're not going to recover. I'm donald borrowed money in one case at fourteen and a quarter percent interest for one of his casino deals so when you add up all the money that trump owed all over town with his other properties properties plus these junk bonds which by the way he told the casino control commission he wasn't going to use it was more than a billion dollars on the line and trumpet personally guaranteed eight hundred thirty three million dollars of that sometimes when you can't afford your debts you have to ask people for help in trump's case he called on his father fred in one thousand nine hundred shortly after the taj open trump was having trouble making interest payments on one of his loans so bobby trump's sent an emissary to trump's castle to buy is three point five million dollars in chips that were never going to be used but the casino control commission caught wind of this and the casino had to pay a sixty five thousand dollar penalty penalty for accepting an illegal loan still says dan hannigan trump's appeal remained miraculously intact. We all know there was a certain lured of trump that he created this image that big rich powerful guy and folks wanted to because he certainly fed that image here and created a buzz in town anytime he around world. If you have followed even a minute of coverage about trump's presidency this will likely sound familiar to you but in atlantic city the buzz didn't last in nineteen ninety-one things started to go south for trump's casino empire verse trump plaza had to pay a two hundred thousand dollar penalty for discriminating against black and female dealers. Apparently the casino would remove those dealers from the floor. When one particular high roller played you would actually flip out if he saw people dealing cards who aren't white men then the taj mahal filed for bankruptcy buckling under the weight of all those junk bonds trump plaza and trump castle followed with bankruptcies of their own not long after here's trump in nineteen ninety-two explaining his no good very bad year too late night host david letterman. Were you ever near broke. I was never knew broke. I with having a good time and i i. It was a good year to get a divorce. Let's let's go back if you don't mind. What did you have to unload well. I didn't unload. I sold things i saw. I'm channel shuttle is no longer the trump shuttle. I unloaded the wife sue classy what a guy not only lead to trump lose his airline but he was also forced to give up his yacht and other holdings oh and he had been put on an allowance of four hundred fifty thousand dollars a month after all lose bankruptcy proceedings trump's casino operation was desperate for cash so in nineteen ninety five created a public company to house all of his gambling enterprises the stock doc ticker symbol for his company d._j. T donald j trump donald only had one publicly traded company and everybody lost cost money in that company vendors weren't paid worker sometimes weren't paid but donald walked away with at least eighty three million dollars but we're getting ahead of ourselves ourselves between one thousand nine hundred five thousand lots of reshuffling happened in trump's casino operation one property got demolished another renamed and by two thousand one the stock and trump's public company was trading for about the price of a turn on a dollar slot machine not to bigly a in two thousand four trump's public public company trump entertainment resorts filed for chapter eleven so for those playing along at home. We're up to four bankruptcies related to trump's casinos so far then then the baron company was delisted from the new york stock exchange by this point trump's gambling halls were starting to look a little long in the two especially in the shadow of the sexy new got casino. Dan hannigan says because trump's casino company was leveraged to the held. It was hard to find the resources for anything more than quick spit-shine or patch job rob you come down as a player and its place starts to look a little shabby a property nearby that is reinvesting that discloses one restaurant and opened up a brand new one. You're going over there and you're seeing this kind of dynamic property. You come to a place. That's in financial troubling you see something and it loses the successful but deferred maintenance san competition from new properties weren't the only reasons trump's atlantic annex city operation was struggling neighboring states had slowly been legalizing casino gambling since nineteen ninety-three by the mid thousands gamblers had options up and down the eastern turned seaboard so there's a convenience market that would be purely looking for. Can i go and gamble and if it's within my driving distance since twenty minutes i'll go and do that. That's rummy pandit. He's the executive director of the lloyd d levinson institute of gaming hospitality and tourism at stockton university eh. He says this market saturation has forced casino owners to rethink their approach. As time went by other markets in the area opened up pennsylvania kanye delaware new york maryland therefore the shift had to be made which is what atlantic city is looking at doing now is. How can we follow a model. That's going to bring people in as a destination resort sure trump brought boxing and later wrestling sling to atlantic city and trump castle had its own live tv game show called trump card quote card and strip can't forget about that but there it was a lot to differentiate the city or its casinos unlike in las vegas lean dion wasn't doing residencies at the taj and cirque du soleil didn't stage a gasp inducing show at trump plaza in two thousand six atlantic city casino revenue peaked out at five point two billion dollars then the city and its gambling industry took took a tumble and trump's properties were falling faster than the rest in two thousand nine trump entertainment resorts filed for bankruptcy again that brings our tally to five live this time trump was pushed out as chairman of the board though he did retain a ten percent stake in the company for use of his name his daughter ivanka who was is also on the board with scooted on out doors. Well david johnston basically the people who control the enterprise carl icahn and his buddies. They paid donald to go away. Donald had no more marquee value for them. <hes> you know people weren't lining up saying oh we want to go meet donald and they needed to cut down every expense spence they could and feeding donald just was no longer a viable option by two thousand fourteen trump entertainment resorts now under the ownership of buyout king king carl icahn had gone bankrupt one more time that was number six and two out of the three trump casinos closed a year later the treasury department and find the taj mahal ten million dollars for money laundering violations. Something trump's casinos also got popped for back in the nineties. The the final die in the trump casino saga was cast by worthy foe the casino workers union the union charge taj mahal with failing to uphold its collective bargaining agreement agreement that guaranteed employees health care and pension in a proposal trump entertainment resorts suggested that because employees could get obamacare the casino yeah no didn't need to provide healthcare. It could just give fulltime workers. A stipend to pay for healthcare on the change and union was like nope carl icahn. The taj is owner estimated that rehabbing the outdated casino would cost one hundred million dollars. The dispute with the union pushed him over the edge rather than up. The ante icon folded the trump. Taj mahal wants atlantic. City's flashiest casino was done the tar shuttered just hours after then candidate trumps second presidential debate with hillary clinton. Three thousand people lost their jobs naturally his opposition cast the failure as one of the many reasons why the donald wasn't fit to be leader of the free world clinton took that message right to the city's iconic boardwalk. We're we're standing in front of the old trump plaza casino and hotel. Donald trump wants predicted. It will be the biggest. I hit yet now. It's abandoned you can just make out the word trump where it it used to be written in flashy lights a had the letters taken down a few years ago but his presence remains okay looking back. You can totally see why she didn't win so it's fair to ask since he is applying for a job bob what in the world happened here girl. The collapse of trump's atlantic city empire came up over over and over on the campaign trail fox news host chris wallace asked trump about it during one of the republican primary debates questions with that record. Why should we trust crossed you to run the nation's business because i have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in visit have used the laws of this country chapter laws to do a great job for my company for myself for my employees from my family etc. I have never gone bankrupt by the way i have never but out of one hundred plus acc- serves me. That's your line but the company. What am i saying out of hundreds of deals that i've done hundreds on four occasions. I've taken advantage of the laws of this country like other people. I'm not going to name name the names because i'm not going to embarrass but virtually every person that you read about on the front page of the business section. They've used the differences when somebody else uses those laws. Nobody writes writes about it but then trump was all like you gotta no one to hold them. You gotta know unfold on. Let me just tell you. I had the good sense and i've gotten a lot of credit. In the financial pages seven years ago i left atlantic city before it totally cratered and i made a lot of money in atlantic city and i'm very proud of it. I want to tell you that very very proud of it now. Remember it was six bankruptcies three for the individual casinos and three for the holding company another fact check trump was was pushed out of the public company that he started a knob before he raked in a ton of cash though the casinos investors vendors and workers many of those folks ah haircut david johnston says trump left an indelible stain on the place atlantic city would be a lot better off today. If donald trump had never come to town donald was there just extract as much cash as he could as quickly as he could with no regard for what that means the community today to trump's old casinos have new life trump's castle slash trump. Marina is now the golden nugget and in late twenty sixteen eighteen the seminole tribe which owns the hardrock brand bought the taj mahal for pennies on the dollar and turned it into the hard rock hotel and casino. There is one vestige vestige of trump left in atlantic city and that's the property that started at all the old trump plaza sits derelict in the middle of the boardwalk. The air has not been kind to the building and it's been crumbling for years. Trump's name has been pried off the casino but you can still see the outline of the letters it was scheduled to be demolished in two twenty eighteen but the deadline passed and much like its namesake. It's still standing in games of chance. The house has a built in advantage. Most players will eventually lose and the more times a player plays the more he loses. There is apparently one exception to this rule. President donald j trump radim in weep and spectacular failures is a production of american public media. The the carlson school of management university of minnesota it hosted and produced by me huge luther lauren over winner with the joneses show's producer. Our editor is high roller philip fletcher our theme music is the delightful david shulman other original music in the show comes from the jeremy's jeremy custodio and jeremy ray. Ah laurin d is the interim director podcast a._p._m. Our other seller a._p._n. Buds include eliza dudley tracy mumford and christina lopez big love to the marketplace dc z. bureau especially betsy streisand the a._p._m. 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Because the biggest casale part so thrilled that you came in and she came she came eighty here <music> now for some business with professor gordon birch. He's a mcknight presidential fellow at the carlson in school of management university of minnesota and he has some advice for anyone considering a side hustle in the gig economy. I think it really important to take a moment oh man and being mindful of where my costs coming from. How much did i spend on gas. What was the depreciation on my vehicle on the additional miles. I drove how much did did. I pay for insurance. People typically don't think about those things they need to and listen up rideshare companies. Maybe the platform should be doing more facilitate that for them. It's a good idea at it probably apply that information in a way that helps people make better decisions to make the market more efficient.

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US only the Fokker bravery one and only the famous it'd be Barron Hilton guys welcome to deep booker. That is arrest. How're you doing? I had a nice lovely exactly rest for weekend but more restful the previous against that steps in the positive direction action. Okay sounds good. I went to go see a a musical at the Pasadena playhouse with my daughter a date with just me and her and that was lovely until afterwards you said on instagram that you were you had a dream about having a daughter I did. It was weird. Well let me I tell you something well any kid male or female. Is it a nightmare man so it was just me and mea are day and because because I was relatively close to Porto's bakery which is my mom's favorite. It's the only good Cuban food and all of Los Angeles. If I had not told me A- ahead of time the purpose of our visit to the bakery then I would have thought differently about my response but I told her we're going to this bakery to buy Cuban food and Cuban desserts for you and your grandmother and your siblings I literally. Ali told her that to buy Cuban food and desserts we get to the Cuban bakery. We're in line. They call me up because there's always a long line and then and she said I want cupcakes and I said well no honey. That's not Cuban deserve. You can get cupcakes anytime we're at the Cuban bakery and we're going to get Cuban food and Cuban desserts and then she started crying and then she started crying real loud and making a scene in the bakery in which is already a seed pornos. People don't know that'd be the line is seventy. Two miles log always exactly some other parent would the have just caved in and given the four year old a cupcake not me. I dug my heels in and I was like I didn't care. I do not care Auburn. Auburn of the kid is well. No I was teaching her in less than I. If I had not told her ahead of time why we were going there I would have thought of the Damn cupcake but I told holter ahead of time we're going there for the sole purpose of buying Cuban food and Cuban desserts. That's not acute. I was a kid. I would have said listen. You can do that all you you want. I still WANNA cupcake. Okay you could buy that. I'll eat that when we get home but I wanNA cupcake right now. We're at the cupcake place. I WANNA cupcake. No no no no. She did soot her brain to use. I'm not going to like that. I don't like that and my response to that was well. You don't have to eat it honey. This is all something something. Nice that dad is doing. You're not starving you already ate. This is a bonus is a treat and I just said no so I was happy about that. And then of course they got her home and she ate it and she loved it all but still you test me. I'll test you right back. I was embarrassed and mortified as all hell but not cave-in and I felt very proud and accomplished with that moment you know. I don't think I ever pretend that I'm perfect nor nor. Do I ever pretend that I have perfect children because there is no such thing as perfect children. There are no perfect kids and there are no perfect parents. That was my weekend and how was yours. That happened to me. How was my weekend. My weekend was good I had I went to join a buddy doing a radio show Friday night. He does a sports radio show. I joined him Saturday. I went hiking yesterday I would we do oh. I may try tip. I went to costco so there you go. There's my weekend. Oh now did some yard work to know I fighting well almost as exciting as Justin Justin Bieber's wedding. It's the number one trending thing on social media today which I'm actually not that excited about just because they already got married twelve twelve months ago. It seems so anticlimactic and if I were to ever get married I'm crazy as we know this already I don't know why people don't do this but I would wanna get legally married the same day as I have any other ceremony armonia like I want it all the same day just for like my own brain and to know and just to make that day even more special like I don't understand this like Oh. We got legally married. We went to the courthouse and got our license a week before like I just want it all done the same day but yeah they're in South Carolina or by the time this is how it already happened. There are some celebrities they're. The wedding hasn't happened by the time of our recording so I owe. It hasn't today notes tonight which is on Monday night. It's also knowing that he got married on a Monday night like I get it. Most of his friends are in show Bizz but still well. He's got some normal friends and he's also got showbiz friends that have regular jobs like his lawyer agent or the other he had a destination in wedding and the wedding on a Monday so people having the lose like three or four days of their lives to go to the bieber wedding. I Dunno but Congratulations Katy Perry was there and so was Kendall Jenner and this is a really inspiring story for women out there who really pine for celebrity and if you dream it big enough you can achieve it because Haley Bieber was a hardcore belieber one of his biggest fans ends and now she married him but that's probably not going to happen to a regular person because she was still you know she was still in the famous parkway and yeah she was the Baldwin Baldwin before she was the Bieber fussed over her whole life. Well not really because he was Stephen Baldwin's daughter kids they do. They have like little notch up of any other regular kid. You know what I mean a little but she's not Alec or Billy Baldwin Daughter. She was Steven de l'est Baldwin in the worst ball. Would you could be one. Oh that's the one that was the drug addicts mess Daniel Baldwin. God forgot about him. I now now I know but still it's not billy Alex but congratulations to them. Also I found myself. I wouldn't even say in trouble but well. Maybe I wouldn't call myself in trouble but I I got. Some people heeded when I just did my job and I knew exactly exactly what I was doing and how I was doing it. I don't think I was rude or mean. I was just direct so you probably don't give a shit about this person but surprisingly using Lee a lot of people. Do you know it's the Kardashian by association. Shine Khloe Kardashian best friend Melita hotoke revealed that she was pregnancy in the pregnant in this adorable pregnancy sponsored post which I I made a joke about it. I just laughed but honestly get that money. I big horror. I'm all for cashing out as much as possible as often as possible knowing Tom so she did that and I had no idea she was even dating anybody so I- browsed her instagram feed and I didn't see a single photo of her and dude and I asked who's the daddy that's all. I said. Some people were like what you could have. At least I wished congratulations and then ask who's the damn responsibly. I don't know who it is. How am I gonNa wish somebody congratulations but I don't know who they are and also hello let me break it down for you the wall it was a sponsored post and it was a post that had the comments open to everybody. I sponsored post when you're a promo whore or like me. All you care about is engagement because the more engagement your sponsored post has the happier the brand is and the more comments negative or positive the more engagement that post gets the more reach. That post gets right so no matter what you say you're kind of helping us. She should thank me is what she should do. People were Serb set that I was directing just asked who's the daddy to them. I stay well. Thanks for the attention. She likes the money just as much as I liked. The attention and I'm not sorry I have no other. I really don't have a comment on. I mean you made your point. This is someone one. That's doing a sponsored post about their wedding. I we're about their baby announcement. You're giving them what they want so you don't think Mike Mike Question was inappropriate. I don't know you're putting it on line. Anything you push out online. You must be ready for what comes back at you online online. I don't even think it was harsh what you said. WHO'S THE DADDY BIG DEAL. It's funny that today's Instagram people these instagram personalities they very very rarely show a significant other even though you know that they're in a relationship because they want the appearance of being available and that's how you get more hits and it's it's. It's really a funny dysfunctional kind of thing. If you really think about it we'll see was dating this rapper so it actually ups her quota ODA. I would think by being affiliated with him but they broke up. I'd never heard of him but maybe you've heard of him. Ot to nasice never never sir. I never heard of him either but he's a known he's around. You know there's a lot of rappers out there anyway. I'm a rapper too. I'll say it now now. Congratulations me. We're very happy for you honestly honestly honestly there things everyone can do to help oh protect their sexual health talk to a healthcare provider and find out about HIV prevention options because honestly our health is worth protecting find out more at honest about HIV DOC com all right. It is official and confirmed. Jennifer Lopez is going to be performing at the Super Bowl halftime out that you called that you said so that before anybody however she's not doing it by herself. It's a CO headlining halftime show which is unusual usual. It's not very common. She's doing it with Shahida but I don't love the two of them together. Just because I first of all I like to be knowledgeable and informed and prepared just because my curiosity piqued me and then went on Youtube and I searched a bunch of the recent super bowl halftime show performances and how long they get to perform for the longest super bowl halftime show performance that I have seen gene was actually last year's Maroon five nee performed for thirteen minutes and fifty one seconds really I would have put it all around twenty thirteen minutes wow interesting thirteen minutes and fifty one seconds beyond San Bruno Mars they did it. They actually both clocked in at thirteen in minutes six seconds Katy Perry when she did it came in twelve minutes and fifty one seconds so let's assume that they're going to get fourteen minutes. It should be even longer than the longest one maroon five. If you just do the math and you have a fourteen minute halftime show with two performers what what they're gonNA do three songs each. Maybe they're going to be medleys. J.LO's GonNa blow through her heads. That's the whole thing I have no problem with it. I think it's an add he d world. I think you can have I think in thirteen minutes. You could shove ten songs in their easily but that's means that you're going to do a minute of a song. What else do I need. How how much I'm real. Do I need how much hips don't lie. Do I need. I don't need that much of it. It feels so rushed. I would have preferred if it was J. Lo or Shakira with with special guests okay but you say it feels rushed but when you laid out initially I would have guessed that halftime was twenty minutes and Ah Right. That's what I'm saying. I would have guessed so I'm already thinking it's longer than it actually is in some of them. I have been too long. I mean the Timberlake was probably probably too long. It just went on too long so I think it'll be fine and I could add in pit bull. They can add in ten people if they what it'll be fine. I guess it's it's a football game. I've said this before. It's a it's not anything else but a football game y else's not a concert but have ten shows always the highest rated part of the football game. Be Some people tune in just to watch the halftime show. The halftime show gets higher ratings than the rest of the game. I don't I think that's anywhere near accurate is that I guarantee. You're coming at it from the entertainment spectacle of it. The people that are actual fans are watching the game. I'm there to watch. It's a game. I don't give a damn who you put at half time. It's nice. It's the icing on a cake of a football season. I like we've made a big event out of it but I'm there for the football the number one entertainment thing in this country true is the NFL not music not anything else. It's the NFL. The eyeballs on football is ridiculous. Whatever I know I'm right. I don't want to waste time googling it now but I know I know I've read this. I know I'm right. NOPE anyways. Let's move on some more music related news. News Halsey broke up without US knowing I had no idea they broke up not a clue that musician young blood and she's already got a new boyfriend. She is dating actor. Evan Peters whom I would say most people probably know from American horror story and while that may be head-scratching for some people what's actually I think really adorable is that she's been pursuing wing him for seven years. when she was seventeen she started tweeting about him way back in two thousand twelve when Halsey was unknown she tweeted seriously. Evan Peters stop making me attracted to allege sociopaths and accused murderers and then a year after that or about eleven months after that she tweeted petition for Evan Peters to date me. It's got a full circle with what you said with Haley. Bulga pine hard enough for somebody and you're famous. You'll eventually get them then in two thousand fourteen she tweeted. I'm a fucking liar. I am so in love with Evan Peters. I am so whipped. Oh that's the Best I love. I love that but at the time I'm pretty sure he was still with with Emma Roberts. That's why nothing can happen and she wasn't famous now famous of course he's going to go out with her. I mean it helps it. Definitely that's the reason come on well. I love it congratulations to them. Oh by the way reese witherspoon just has joined tick tock and Britney. Spears is very active on Tick Tock as well. Basically I was right yet again. Tick Tock is blowing up. Everybody's everybody's on Tick Tock except booker. Don't look for him on their reese. Witherspoon is not on top. She is who's on Reese Witherspoon. People are on Britney Spears. Probably she may be because she's got. The mental capacity of someone twelve could be on dot but reese witherspoon is not picked up. Her people have got her there because they think that maybe some young people will be there for her or something. What else are they gonNA do when you have a social media team. They're going to put you everywhere. She has a teen well well. I've also noticed that a lot of my followers tick tock are not even that young people of all ages are starting to get on Tick Tock. You're just dinosaur and don't WanNa get with thinking so okay. You're obsolete. Hey Look I was last on instagram twitter all of them. I get like I said I'll probably end up on it. I don't don't want to because I think it's silly. I think there's enough social media. I think the world is going the other way and I'm pretty sure a matter of fact positive that Gen Z. is going that way. They're they're not like this last generation. They don't need to be on every single social platform these loving tick tock. They're all about it. That generation is less into social media than the generation in front of them is all that I'm saying what their input is more study on. No I let me correct you because you're wrong. Get again what they're into more authentic social media so whereas instagram is so curated in fake. There is the sense that tick talk more real. It's all bullshit it. Is I agree. I'm just wacky news. I had a change of thought and some people may fight me on this. I won't because if it's a chain of thought that it's a change of thought you changed your mind. No big deal. I actually am starting to believe now that Aaron Carter is not mentally unstable. I think he is just that desperate for attention and is totally with it and knows exactly what he's doing being and that's because I listened to him. I don't even know why I watched that. He was on this podcast that the film and he you not only did he sound all together but he actually sounded not dumb like I wouldn't say he's smart but he also you know he knew what he he was talking about about music and this the other and just his vocabulary. He's got a pretty good vocabulary. He's not a dumb person. I actually think he's not fake or Aril. I just think he's smart enough to know he even said it. He's like you know when I post on instagram something about music. It doesn't get any likes but when I post something crazy or wild. It gets a lot of likes so he's clearly doing everything for likes. Attention said this week well. I know why didn't believe you didn't buy it but I mean some of the things that he's doing is really next level like you probably didn't see it. He got a huge ass face tattoo. Did you see that I did not. He got a huge as face tattoo of Riyadh did yeah yeah it's a real. It's real oh man. Maybe not I mean it was inspired by Riana but Rana as Medusa so he got a Medusa ah the woman with the snakes sure with Brianna his face with on his face yeah. It's crazy you know and I I thought I was producing a lot. A lot of content daily. Aaron Carter lives his life on instagram live. He's live streaming the whole all day. That's exhausting making videos for two youtube channels a day like I do. That's draining but I'm not live all day long long yeah but you are. There's a difference. Yours is a lot harder. He's not doing anything Peres. You have to come up with content like you are. You're basically only doing the news. You're just doing a really long form of of two long form of the news okay. That's what you're doing. He's probably not. I don't think he's dissecting a story and break it down like that. You're kind of like an anchor. That's never off. He is it he's just walking around sharing his thoughts and God who could watch that well. There's a lot of lonely people yeah maintaining your lungs right. Wait is false starts with Lowe's because Lowe's has the grass seed and fertilizer perfect for your growing area and the know how to help you do it right and a great savings up to fifteen dollars off select Scott's grassy. NC Five dollars and a twelve and a half pound bag of SCOTTS TURF Builder Winter Garden Fall Long Food now fourteen ninety seven for all your projects do it right for less start with lowes valid through ten to selection and availability vary by location okay. She was only all right in other wacky news. I don't even care about this person but this is just a crazy. Roese Story Black China Rob Kardashians Baby Mama was out to dinner recently with with her new guy friend and there were Paparazzi photos a at this restaurant him sucking her toes in a restaurant. It's not a restaurant I'd be going to. I would hope that the restaurant management would say hey. You're not allowed allowed to do that here right. They should say that right one hundred percent I would have thrown them out of their gross disgusting and this woman she she is so lucky but your moment is not gonNa last long. If you keep on doing really unprofessional things not that was unprofessional that had nothing to do with professionalism or work but black China was supposed to appear on the real and cancelled on them and didn't even give them a reason and then she was spotted out in a bow when she was supposed to be on the show and my favorite thing he is the show then trolled her and posted a photo saying black China on her appearance on the real today and it was a photo of an empty couch well. She's she's GonNa get more press by stopping the show that she'd actually get by being on the show and they're actually probably getting more out of it because when if we ever talked talk about anything that they've said on the real. We've done this show for four years. When have we ever discussed anything that they've said or that. Black China said it's probably she did them a favor but that's the world we live in man like where you get rewarded for bad behavior for being tardy or or just not even showing up or just having inexcusable behavior behavior. You're being you're getting points for. You're talking about it and like you said it's a story being rewarded for it. Don't you always tell me that if we're talking about got somebody like this and this is a win yes. It's a win of somebody's talking about you. It's a win for social media but it's not necessarily a why people may not want to booker again it may not. It may not get you more work. How many people are lining up the book. I mean she. I don't even know yeah yeah all right. I as I said earlier and all for making as much money as possible sure however when you've you've already got in when you've already got tens upon tens of millions of dollars right and when your career careers still maybe not burning hot but still hot who's a good example. I don't know like will Smith right will smith is still hot. He had a hit with the Aladdin Aladdin movie. If Will Smith all of a sudden did add on instagram for the for a detox tea and I'd be like what the fuck is that about right like will smith doesn't need the money well. Jennifer Lawrence just did a deal with Amazon where she publicly glee shared her Amazon wedding registry now kind I. It's and it's basically just like affiliate lakes right like I'm sure a got paid a fee to do that and be on top of her fee probably got a percentage of all the sales that her during this guy. I don't know I just thought that was like a cheap look for her. It would have been one thing if she did. She launched a business with Amazon. I'm like oh like everybody else. Jennifer Lawrence is now coming out with a makeup line but people would hate that too damned if you do and damned if you don't I kind kind of feel that at least she's attached herself to a level brand. Amazon is a a massive conglomerate a a brand someone that she could do business with down the road if she wants to step away from acting and become an executive producer they create content so I kind of look at it like the bigger picture I see what you're saying because it kind of can feel small but maybe the next step with them. It's something else if it was like detox tea. I totally totally feel your point. I understand that it's a big brand but what she chose to do with the brand and also make I'm GonNa. Sushi is having to be honest like I don't think she look okay but aren't you a little bit curious to know what she picked. Because I kind of am now. I don't care I do like I want to know. What kind of things Jennifer Lawrence Lawrence doesn't have. I know I think it's I think that's beneath her. I could have just launched a business with Amazon. That would have been a cooler more on. Maybe she doesn't want to you know what I mean like like I said I think that there's a bigger picture that you're not seeing yet that we're all not seeing yet because just looking at it with those glasses on on. I see what you're saying. It does feel like kind of a little cheaper. I don't know if the words cheap but it seems kind of doesn't make a lot of sense standing on its own but I think there's a the bigger picture. I think there's an investment that she's making listen at. Amazon wants me to share my wedding registry. I will do it in a heartbeat. I will also go find. There's somebody in West Hollywood tonight but you gotTa pay me exactly what you paid Jennifer ever Lawrence feel. You're more likely to be hocking a bad t I would do that too. I know you know shame in that game the name I well. I think this is the healthy way to live. Not Really I live ashamed free life but I do live a regretful regretful life. I have a lot of regrets but no shame. Does that make sense yeah. I'm makes sense yeah a lot of regrets no shame by more wacky Jackie News. Mel B's former hair stylist where we are digging deep. This week aren't we. I Love Melby. I'll be what are you talking about. I love the former hairstylists not be great. Mel B's former hairstylist is suing her and making some really damning allegations including that she stole two hundred thousand dollars from him. Wait a minute. Melby stole two hundred thousand dollars from a hairdresser. I guess and used his credit card but actually I believe his allegations because I I do remember us talking on on the podcast about how little money she has right well that she claimed Ega that clearly I think she does Mon- money laundering or or somehow like hiding money and other places or like her money's in the Cayman Islands well. I think she's she somehow used him for the money or somehow like that. The lawsuit says that Mel allegedly used Gary's credit card and bank account as her personal piggy bank and spent around around two hundred thousand for her and her family she allegedly used the funds on furniture television parties transportation and other expenses and end had her doctor make out prescription drugs in his name for her. Melby is going to go to jail oops and he alleged that he told the doctor to stop that he wasn't comfortable with this when he found out oaten. What's going to happen here because this is what she'll claim he gave me the money. No one put a gun to his head and said that he needed to give me any of this money Johny. He probably volunteered to do so and she just welched on it. She just didn't give any of the money back. That's what it sounds like to me and that's what she's going to claim. I'm sure but I do smell something like you're saying that there's some sort of hiding of money or something's going on here or it could be just as simple as she doesn't have any and and she got a guy because she's famous to give her things which happens because she's got that ex husband and a child together and and they've been in a bitter custody and divorce and all of this dispute for a long time. I would think that's why she would want to hide her assets to keep them away from her ex and actually here's a little scoop. I'm not afraid of head but he does give me crazy vibes her husband's crazy he he mails me after I posted this story trying to get me to write another story about Melby about how some hardcore drug addict and evil person and even forwarded me an alleged email. He claimed that she drug addict. I'm not saying she is okay right. He he also forwarded me an alleged email that melby sister sent making all sorts of bad allegations that she's an awful daughter and wouldn't even go visit their father on his deathbed until he was actually dying and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah but I didn't run any of that because I don't I wanna get sued by antibody and I don't have any way of verifying that email was real or that anything he was telling me was real in fact. It's the opposite part of of the onus on publisher like myself to believe what you're being told is credible. I don't view Mel b's ex-husband as credible Gotcha did he happened to send any pictures. NOPE NOPE NOPE but I'm sure he has those yeah. Maybe next time alright on some sad news Amanda bines has been struggling all of twenty nineteen. It seemed like she was getting better. Twenty eighteen she was poised for a comeback she appeared on the cover of paper magazine and the now according to to the latest reports she has relapsed reportedly with drugs and is currently living in a sober living house. I mean good for her for doing whatever whatever it is. She needs to do to get better. I'm just sad for her. All right onto an update tyler cameron formerly of the bachelorette revealed in a new interview that he was asked to be the bachelor and he turned it down he claimed. Do you believe him yeah you do. He's out there with a supermodel now yeah but he could have been the bachelor so one. He's already famous and he's with the supermodel. Now I came to meet. A girl didn't work out with her but I met somebody else. Now I'm famous. What do I need to do it again for I can get back to my life of modeling or whatever he does. I don't see the need for him to do it. I guess unless you really want to be a household name. I guess he thinks he is it's like I said he's dating a supermodel. What do you want or whatever G. G. Had is an instagram model. What whatever that is. I'm not sure what she is. He's a rail supermodel. Title I up supermodels different. Cindy Crawford was a supermodel. Naomi was a supermodel. I Dunno if if gee-gee Hadeed is a supermodel. She's a supermodel supermodel. The word supermodel has a connotation to me that may be different to you but she is not of the level of a of a model where I would say. She's a supermodel Cindy. Crawford was a supermodel. What does not have that that. would she would need to have. There's an IT thing bed. She's the instagram version of it now away. She's a supermodel okay. You're wrong okay. They may be right. I am my point is there is no such this thing is a supermodel anymore. There is no name. She's a household name. I wouldn't say she's a household name. Cindy Crawford was a household name so is so is known Naomi Campbell finally congratulations to Kanye West. He was the post to have released his new album on Friday but that it did not happen however it is allegedly still coming out and he had a big event in Detroit where he's screened an accompanying film and and also played the whole album for the audience and a there's some cool features on it any reviews about the music that it was good or anything anything you heard like that now. I didn't hear anything about the music that sucks. That's never a good sign on Kenny. G's on it well. He's a super saxophone player. Kenny G. E. play saxophone clarinet. What is that thing that he played. I think he could play both could play both. I don't know if you could play Sax. Could you play clarinet. He plays the saxophone but he often plays like what is it a soprano saxophone. That's what it is because it's smaller. Is that the deal okay okay. How did is my woodwinds or whatever those are called. I could be wrong but I think that's the case. No I think you're right because I kind of feel that why didn't say saxophone was when I picture him. He's got something thinks small that he's blowing into all right. Let's take some calls hybrid type Booker. This show love the show this. This is so random random call but I'm catching a on the hills and you know Perez. You always say that a ride keeps you gay by the Minster Prank. Just wondering I would love to hear your take on that. out later came waiting in your response back. No not at all yeah. He doesn't give this to me at all. I've heard him booker on its hearing from Virginia so actually like a fun fact for you guys. I was listening opening on on on the podcast about you know Brad Pitt and so how do you call so and so she's actually part of love like it's called a secret. That's in my my also call so and so when I heard the Brad Pitt was dating someone like the same last name that's part of the same religion I looked I looked the name up and actually along with the person is I know I know her personally and I know her daughter on there from. La and her daughter used to be like my caretaker at boarding school and it was an Indian 'cause it was like the secord in school and that was just like really cool to me to hear that you know someone has any tip corn cake with someone that I know and yeah this. This is really cool. I don't think there's a question common but she knows someone famous great. Thanks for calling hate grandee booker Mining Gabby from New Jersey e. I just wanted to call in about the the keeping up with Kardashians episode. I actually watched that episode when they were talking about the behavioral thing with their Kiddos amid teacher sure I can tell you seldom to use these six and seven year olds biting other people outside of their parents kids definitely test the limits their parents the definitely not with nannies or teachers or anything like that. I've also taught cognitive classes. I can stay that more typical of a child that is two or three years old and unable to express them of or is having a lot of trouble with self-regulation and the one I watched it. I definitely cringed anyway. I love you guys and I'm totally revised to get on TV or something anything. These guys are like the truth tellers of Hollywood total Bobby Vol- things he prison booker. I names more and I'm from Detroit. Michigan just wanted to sail over seven. 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I like your cans, but they are zombies

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I like your cans, but they are zombies

"The. Brought to you all those live from the dude in the basement studios. Why? Because that's where the good stuff. Is it six suds and smokes with your spoken? Post the good old boy. Suds suds. It's time for more so. Welcome everyone to this said segment where good. Beer meets bad radio. I am your host today. Go boy, Mike. And joining me at the table are a set of very questionable casting decisions. You'd like that Edger a love that wasn't even a slow clap, I have to say, I wondered how that would very animated so, well, well, sitting to me at radio left is gonna ten ten do not do your homework. That's a new one. It's a pleasure to be Bax. Do we have to speak in French? So you'll understand us that would be one way. I would. You, you swig suck you Smith. Even order fridge food. The crap mile true thing. Yes. It's like he's backing he was just re he's just returned from. Provence. Yeah, I went to France. Freshly Mary's fresh off the boat and beer, that we bought Alabama so that probably cultural shock trip evolves, probably getting prepared for marriage. You can order food stupid. Joining us today is good. Ole boy. Caperton sexually. Depraved miscreant. Basis and most immediate ships finally finally gotten mile and sound by God. Reverend Mark is well, so. Don't ruin it. Hi everyone. Hello. Everyone also is gal Giuliana. Yes, I am the boss. That is a professional. Yes. And running the soundboard as well as the king of all questionable decision ghetto, boy, Dave who told they can. Well that is what this is about as part of our summer of questionable decisions. We're going to conduct a little experiment. That is understatement. There's no size characteristic around this. How many of you have gone to the beer store and bought something just because at a funny, name or the cool can art? Don't make me me. I have apparently one of about a dozen. Yeah. We were betting that can artists definitely played into your question. We'll decision making process. Is this a sound strategy that is part of our quest for today? But it's so pretty I'm saying, probably not. Anyway, plus today will actually have a report since Caperton's percents here. So we'll get to attack. Before we go. Any further though this segment is brought to you by the law offices of scratchers ace graduates. Are you a kitty or a puppy, who defines his kitty identifies kidding? Do you need an attorney? We'll come on down to the law says the scripture today, scratch, it scratches day scratched, in attorney at law, she fights for her clients, and is it interest is the claw scripture based cartridge, not licensed to practice law in any of the fifty states. In preparation for this show. Good old boy. Dave the king of questionable decisions and questionable commercial spots, and went down to the horrible state of Alabama trae, some beers based, solely on the name and the design of the can I'm thinking that there was definitely some recreational drugs involve was they love us. I have I have. Asked the state Alabama. They asked about you all the time. Wait, does that mean that you go there all the time? Big oh, ginger. I'm like that. So big old daughters, asking me, what do you want to be called as a as a grandpa and, and so big ginger, gender ginger? This has that made the top three day. So, you know, there you go, go to Tim, once you tell us about the lineup. We're gonna go through today. We have a long lineup of she said lovely cans. I we're gonna start off with on fleet imperial stout with thirteen percent style from Stillwater and Custos survey sirri-a. We have asked after the last death sour ales, so ill currants cherries by Orpheus brewing out of Atlanta. We have the foot clan mixed berry Berliner vice by southern prohibition, the space lettuce WPA recreational drug by Monday night, brewing, much discussion about that one. White Stoute's can't jump by bam. Nation brewing white white stout. Don't fear the blender Tropical Smoothie. Clown shoes. Bring the Belloc coffee vanilla stout. The hoof hearted brewing, bombshell, blonde ale by southern star brewing, stranger than fiction, porter by collective arts in the doctor chill New England PA moon raker named after meeting that is a huge lineup. So we're going to get to touch on all these fears beers briefly today. Along the way, most noted is that this is the first time, I think, clown shoes has reappeared since the great band of two thousand five oh my God. And we were there for that. Yes. That's remembers. Yeah. Right. We can never go back dip switch. So maybe we can redeem ourselves and hope for the best. Yep. I, I know my tasting today, help in that never rent. It won't be the worst beer in the flight. I think it will. So. Gogo Giuliana tell us what we're going to be doing with these beers. Today. We're gonna be discussing and Raden these biz Alabama axis Alabama. Definitely this suds ratings. Wow. Anti. L alabi. But people say that people in Pennsylvania. You wanna do in Alabama, exit. You just have to sound like our sister. Reese, Witherspoon I think it's an Alabama robot walk the line. I, I tried. Now you've committed hours. You gotta do the whole thing. We'll be right. Discussing a ratings for this biz. Boston. Be is. I'm from Boston Alabama. Ask for biscuits at the table. All you have to do just that moment. I like biscuits jam number one put a little bit skit my. Come on, biscuit. You're very to should nail this accent like ten times a day. So if it's supposed to be pronounce it. Our ratings these beers. Oh my God. Okay. This is why she never does this why I never do this. Okay. Number one. Sucks. Give me anything but a bud. Number two. A belt or left internet data. That's it. I do declare whatever they when you hit the dateline. Dang number four. About it should not make that sound official state sound of test lucid. When did this become picking the dump on EBay? It's just so easy number five. Listen to that. Hang time. Please. Give me another. Very emotional. In films. A like that Alabama poor Ville. Everybody's relates close, only great high quality, you know, quality high-quality southern uncle daddy. Oh, god. Yes teddy well. Out to play. Thank you for that, riveting, you know, southern plantation, charm, or such ratings, go, gal or good boy. Caperton. The kudzu report. Okay. All right. Oh, from the frontlines, again folks where the battle against kudzu and other invasive, vines continues, the task is daunting, despite the many masters of abatement taking up the fight. But rest assured we are on the job with the determination to win the fight. Today's kudzu report is a little bit different while kudzu is indeed, a slow motion green Sonam e capable of submerging us all and it's leafy doom. It is not the only concern now. They're the vine that eight the south has several country cousins, if you will daddy's plays into the Alabama theme here more than capable of blanketing us all in a sea of green demise. It is all over the state of elevate. It is it is. But today, I would like to speak briefly on one of the, the new species that have popped up that that are definitely. Giving kudzu run for its its money. That is the Japanese Knotweed. That's Kate, not we'd not loud. We definitely not we. But not not we. It's tricky this green payment has the ability to nearly two. Absorbing nearly eighty type of soul. It'll grow in nearly any type of soil is what I'm trying to say here, folks, regardless of the P H in the ability to March across our landscape. Indeed rivals evil kudzu. It could be in your yards now out there tying knots as we speak, but it's not Notting friendship bracelets, folks. No, it's taking a firm. Hold on your green spaces. So, please take the time to familiarize yourself with this terrible. We'd. Bamboo. Right. The kids reported the second. Well, hey, welcome back to you. Sip sets and smokes on today's suds episode. We're talking about canned beers in particular can art. And you know what we think about the can art is self and help you actually in the decision making process for the beer we were in the middle of the Kudsy report for today from good, boy, Caperton, Caperton. You're talking about the not would not, we'd not might are Japanese Knotweed, call neat. You give it the seriousness, it deserves a rough about the big vying. Thank you for the back in the back end zone here. All right. Let's go back to the Knotweed, folks. Green Beaman has the ability to, to form to grow, actually nearly any type of soil. That's what threw me any type of soil, and it's ability to March across our landscapes. Indeed rivals that evil Kudsy. So it's not to be taken lightly to say the least. This is not a joke. Full Japanese got it bad just like us. They look man. It's not. They don't send their best weeds to us Mike. It could be in our yards even now out there, tying knots as we speak, but it's not nodding friendship, bracelets, people know it's taken a firm hold on your properties, and your green spaces like kudzu at crowds out all other plants, and it's particularly difficult to Aratu Kate so please, go online and familiar, self with its appearance. It's early growth. Resembles bamboo, which is another. It is well and don't get me started on the war says red vein green leaves, it's Risa GMs run, particularly deep and is very difficult. So get out to radical. So get out the shovels folks out for those Risa production. That's. With helium. Kids on the. Yeah, we're in helium short. Stand firm in abate people. This has been good old boy, Dave for the sip suds, and smokes. Caperton's. Yep. Thank you go boy, Caperton for it, man. Let's say good old boy, Dave did say good. All right. That's all right. Don't don't give him any credit. Nobody knows. Deserve. None of Dave don't don't blame good old boy. Dave with silliness. Your homework. Want to the topic for today? We have all been there, standing in front of that cold case and the in the beer store has cans overflowing staring at you in the face looking all those Felix. Tags and there, you know, and you're trying to read, you know what type of beard is, and you're going, I don't know what beer about man pack and yeah, that can are, you know, kind of plays into, you know, what, whatever you may think let's listen to this particular episode, and you can at least navigate these ten beers. You know, to get through, I it's going to be appear from Stillwater arts, nails, and Cossiga survey CEA. Ria survey says the right what Russia Rozsa. Spear is called on flick imperial stout on fleet. Right. That's exactly what you wrote down here on fleet. And I said on flick on fleet. Would you guys think the beer Caperton tell what on fleet means it means perfect psycho, Kirk perfectly perfect purpose? I games. So would you guess that beer here? It's from unflagging, periods doubt the thirteen percent imperial stout, which is a bit aggressive. It's huge for being thirteen percent. I actually did like it. It's okay, it's a little boozy, which is slightly, mostly booze should be very sweet little thin on the mouth feel. Do you get roasting this? Chocolate candy, some chocolate. Yeah. Chocolate boozy candy adult chocolate candy chocolate, chocolate, chocolate sweet, sweet sweet the canned. The canned is not the most interesting of all the cans that we have. But it's. The eighties, which was face it. That's what it's designed to do. I guess. Not bad, though. Are these the ourselves rating here for on fleet imperial stout is going to be a two or three? Over to probably a solid to probably two and a half, which rounds up to three. It was. Can art here? Stillwater green thing in this cycle are IRO actually wrote down. Okay psycho, three are trying to like, you know the taste profile itself. So it looks like something, you have to wear those green and red, you know, three to actually read the as it leopard from the eighties. Those magic what was it? You had to squint yet to squint at it, and you see the focus man. Yeah. You gotta dolphins jumping take your eyes out of focus see a really sweet. Marble, then you have cataracts twenty years. Okay. Well, let's move on to talk about the next year from Orpheus brewing called after the last death sour ales, oh and cherry wood. You guys think of this, like an orifice. Really? This other region. Pretty bad. There was actually I su- came to I'm being serious. Grabbing something rotten came to mind. Hearts, Jerry itchy. That's all I. Yeah. Tempt Tim's Tim's barking his barking everybody. Bit. Yeah. Smells like burning Deng. So it looks like I mean I'm not for filtering color is pretty. It's. It is. It is a chunky. In it the flavor own deadly win. The sewage plant. Yeah. That other year in the wall. The smell house walk nickel. I like most beers. Do how about that this reading here for after the last of sour ill from Orpheus brewing is going to be a one, but the Cain was interesting. There's like a two headed thing, one I'm dead. What's a woman and a skull, I wanna read my, my description of the canning eight, you know, this is like a bad paperback are from sixth grader is about to meet at a parent teacher conference night discussion with the teacher. So it definitely not make. It's definitely fourteen year old stone or. A castle in the disk things. So, so MRs woods, do you think Mike is having some problems at home? I mean he's drawing the making these draw and telling was going to come down to, you know. Yep. Women have skull and hit servino, neck. Does your son have a good relationship with his mother because? Feeding paint the name of the artwork on here. It's don't look back by air Maya mccleary, Jeremiah. We held we hope you can get eighth grade. There's a job for you. Jeremiah teaching art somewhere, just not on a set of a beer key. If you wanna paint paint houses bitter, art teacher, next, some pretty treason there. Everyone likes mountains. Heavy trees next beer is gonna be Bob Ross southern prohibition brewing. It's called foot clan mixed berry. Belinda rice, chugging like this beer. Yeah. This I thought tasty, it's males. Good. Sorry. We had some spillage ship in here at the table. All right. It, it reminds me a lot of sweet tarts. Unfortu- as it warmed up by tasted some cuff syrup. Well, it is a Baleno, that's because we wanted you to your maybe it's the sinuses. I don't know drink this one, cold drink it cold. Yeah. But there's a lot of berry. Flavor is liked it still the plan is a reference to the teenage mutant ninja turtles. So, right. I thought it was a good Belinda vice. Yeah. I didn't think it was great are such rating here for the foot clan mixed berry Belinda rice, his other prohibition because the five is going to be three. I would have given it should have been a floor. That's okay mic. Did give it a four. We just didn't say the fours when Mike just did some editorial closer, the north coast. Belinda rice. Yes. In terms of. Oh, I really like that one. I know there this just had too much of that sweet tart kind of drying. You know, powdery shocking. It didn't go through is it wasn't good up forever onto see now you don't get can are. Boy, going over the handlebars is the best way can describe pizza is for the teenagers. Pizza kung FU fight the foot clan there. The master shredders army. Now, I still don't. Turtle. There's some Asian rights hurdle. Before the is there like a nuclear. Okay. I'm culturally inept, and I didn't get that when. To say, oh, Mike. You're way, more inept, culturally, okay? There's a pizza delivery. Boy. He's fallen off of his bike. Landed head down. Avoiding turtle, I think if you know he might have crashed his bike trying to turn. To the turtles, drew the foot, clan guy would have ran over the total. So where does the berry Berlin or come into play? Yeah, that's it. I think that the art works well for the name of the beer, but I don't think that the art itself works for the beer style. So. Berries, mean the share the tomato is very tomatoes in the pizza. I get it. But it's not very good. I was thinking of somebody crossing the street with a, you know, basket berries, getting plowed over by a car that would closer to the taste profile hate to say it. But if it were next to on fleet probably by on fleet. Jeez, what a mistake that would be alright. Turtle power next step is going to be a beer from Monday night brewing called space lettuce. Would you guys saying this beer from Monday night brewing? Well, yeah, it's a double for sure. Really sweet. I think kind of sweet and resume actually wrote down big dank. I thought it is too heavy kind of. There's a there's a ton of flavor in the front. But then it just incredibly watery. You know, it's craps out right, right? The end it, it almost taste a flat, almost like it. It's been opened for q hours, even though I know he can crack the canned fresh so bad bag of something's baseless. Exactly. All right. Turn brown. Yeah. Like that brick space lettuce since. Since. I don't know. Man. It was when it when it has flavor. It's good. But then fades out a little heavy on the bitterness kind on the bag. All right. So we're saying this is this, what we're saying this is what we're such raining here for the Monday night brewing space lettuce double IP is going to be a two. Do better Monday night. Okay. Candover is a psychic tuxedo bow, and it has the, the button covers going down the, the front of the can as well. And I don't get what that mean at all. So I don't know what a bowtie of than the rest. Chris baselessly? Foolish enough to put the artist's name on the can. Yeah. I think we're just going to say, I don't get the point of the kid. I agree. To me, if I saw that can are. So here's a question. If you just if you didn't know what was what, what can which by based on the can, I would have thought, maybe like something that's a champagne. L classy, or. Rose. Essays on something that you would have when you're dressed up informed because it's baseless and I thought it would be out. Dang can kinda weedy dank wasn't really. I think we're saying are definitely doesn't work anything. No, no. You can't just make up a bunch of Barron Hilton here, and then brew fears, you know, you need to beer, then name it, you know what it is moving. Right. Along is stuck in the weed. Did we what we write that one for raided a to go? I must say again, it is. All right. Next up is going to be a, a beer from abomination brewing called Whitestone's can't jump. So did you guys think of this peers veers really good? I liked it. It was a solid beer. It's way too. To commit him contract by another brewery, I was noticing on the can't wasn't this. Visit super familiar with a bomb nation. Great. Yeah. I like to I like yeah. So this is brewed and canned by Dorchester brewing in Boston. They do Worcester. Chesa four chasmin nation and Chow to right as distributed by twelve percent. And we all know provenance twelve percents so Dorchester, they brew beers for a lot of different brewers. They're, they're big contrary up there now. I think this was really good. In the context of all the other beers. We had thought. But otherwise, I thought it was just kind of average. I mean, this is an imperial white stout. It's very blonde. That is brewed with lactose and aged on top of cocoa nibs vanilla beans, and locally roasted coffee from Boston. I'm presuming it has to be his only. Harrelson. Hops on it, who's the guy from blade. Wesley guy for major league. So is for those versions. So those that may be culturally challenged this, actually a movie spoof on white men can't show. I don't think there's some base a thing because that's where the name. There's. Stout. Cam jumps goes hustle. So I didn't actually. You know what the I just got whites doubted and realized that it had those axe. I actually wrote down. Creamy was first thing caught my attention. It is very creamy. That was people are putting Larry and beer these days, said true. Read on the. It was very uncharacteristic of white stout. But I liked it and I thought that it worked was uncharacteristic that it was creamy, I didn't know had like Senate, you know, when I was tasting, well, you look at it, and it's very clear pretty nicely. I think that's one of the things about white Stoute's is they, they do have the mouth feel. That's what through. That's one of the first throws you off when you look at it because you're a head fake, you're thinking, you know, IPA or whatever. And then you get Roasti kind of chocolate he notes to maybe coffee, but you also get that mouth. Well, it's definitely a style that I think that is very difficult for people there to get their head around and every time that I've encountered them I always think they're, too sweet and not roast enough or the two, you know, downplays, and I actually even though this one wasn't too sweet. No. And in the actually the roast youth. Check. So this was actually working pretty well. I love the theme. You know, the Ken art and how it worked with, you know. Let's rate, the beer hero, quick. We'll keep on talking about the can't art. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So a rating here for a waste outs can't jump is going to be three four. Okay. Cool three three point seven five. But I think the can are really works. Yeah, it does. Because it kind of like the artwork for the movie. Very ninety. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know there's been introduced they are pickles. I think I think they're like Frankenstein, monsters. They're like have been sewn together that was dead and came back. Little secret here. Frankenstein was more or less. He's a reanimated corpse. Well, we'll talk about the next year right after this. We're gonna fight Dave. Hey, welcome back to you. Simpson's smokes. On today's suds episode we are talking about canned beers and Ken art can on on Twitter. I like it with Lou personally. So coconut flavored United just off Scotian that were having where you're standing in front of the beer, aisle. And there's just these rows and rows of cans of beer, and all of this really interesting artwork on them. But. Really helping some of your decision making process. We've taken ten beers off the shelf, and we've tasted them today were rating, the beers and discussing some of the play the Ken art with the beer is so up next. It's going to be a beer from clowns us brewing is don't fear the blender tropical fruit. Smoothie IP. I'm so happy that clown shoes as actually returned to subsides smokes from that five year ban hiatus, so band once again. So I'm glad to see that we could come back and take some of the beer what'd you guys think of, don't fear. The blender tropical fruit. Smoothie IP is it included number. It is fruity. It is. Dave, I wrote super fruity wrote reminds attempts. So the, the, the name itself kind of plays into as there's a few fruit puree in this I'm guessing. That's what fear that blenders about is yes, because the reaper is molding reminder in his hand. That's where the name comes from, you know tasting this right now. It's a lot more bitter than I remember having one bit cooler, initially it was very creamy. And the Tropico. Yeah. Actually wrote above average. I thought that the blend of all these things works pretty well. That's why it reminded me a ten because it was above average. I can't take that. I can't say don't like this beer as much as it warmed up. That's for sure. I don't think this is the style of beer though, that should more. I definitely not maybe should be a beer, smoothie or a slush. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fearing the blender. Our suds rating here for don't fear. The blender tropical fruit smoothie IP a is going to be a three or two. I wrote a question. Not going to go with whatever you guys said, well, so what did you think about the can so? Arthaud is kind of cool reaper home by now. Our? Okay folding. Right. Cow, bill. It's not a Cal Cal. Cal. Life is better. Okay. Think about the like if the grim reaper. Was holding a blender win, then be good diet and though, because like, wow, you're you look like well, I was thinking. Try to this is very tropical driven beer. You know, I was thinking some beach theme or something else. So I didn't get the whole grim reaper reference, the blender on the front. I got that piece of the equation. But I you know, if you told me that that's going to tell me that be oh, baby. Tropical IP a I would. Well. That's for sure. But for me being a blue iced or cult fan, I probably would have grabbed this anyways because it's like, oh my God. Halt, and it's got the cow bell with it. It can't be that bad, right? Tim's going to make a blue worst Zola's in point. Yes. He has. Shorts coming out to be oh, is all the way as at beer, g clown shoes. Had a good idea there too afraid to depart from their normal art work to normal happy. Clown shoes for me. Let's move onto the next year, which is from hoof hearted brewing. This is the Belloc coffee vanilla stout. Would you guys think of this beer? I liked the can we're talking about the minute. That's what I think about the beer. Yeah. Head adjunct city was what I wrote down, bad stout coffee question, Mark. That's weird Roasti flavor. Yeah, it does have a strange roast on the aroma. That is like not your traditional. I'm going to a coffee shop to get like a really decent Cup of car. I wonder if they used coffee of extract something. Yeah. Stead of coffee real coffee because I'm I'm thinking they this was there. So this was contract rude as well. So. I don't think on fleet with also twelve percent. We've a couple beers, fleet was thirteen made this so on. Yeah. On fleet was made. Okay. This one says American start with coffee and vanilla, added smooth caramel and chocolate tones, get a massive coffee in Manila during. Electrical. Labor that makes you feel smarter than you look. Voice hair was. And look at world. Yeah. It's making me like the, the more you're rating, the more that Roger with caramel, and personal that university Jude with. Yeah. Who grew to? So Jamie king very hairy. Okay. Mike wants to know what your rating rate, your beer here. Our rating here for Belloc is going to be. It's gonna be too. So the Kantar actually is hand artist kind of cool. Don't go back and forth. So because it's competitively. Competitively. Erotic. Guido. That is so racist. Yeah. You can't say that on this. Yeah. You can't see them on the show. There's like probably a lot of Guido's listening. Yeah. What's the Sasha baron Cohen Bora, Bora? He looks he looks a bit. Like, if gore at war, like a v neck tennis outfit. Yeah. Head on a talion cousin with Lithuania mother. Grow. I know that I just wanted to hit this back over the net. Not having another sip. That's all I know this much references, I could get to say, I think who far date is very tongue in cheek. I did. I've had several beers in some of them are good. I'm sure they're over there. Bit radio in the beer, cooler. I have I would have said. Oh my gosh. What is with the really ugly dude tennis, dude on there? So anyway, Mike everything about it. I just wanna say these aren't zombies. They are a hundred percent on next step is a beer from southern star brewing company called bombshell, blonde ale. What you guys think of southern Sweetwater. Stars bombshell in my mouth. That is a beer that should not no worse kind of way. What it was. You know what I don't make sure how it was when it was cold. But as it comes up, it is all my remember what it was like called night. Sweet I wrote down bad and watery drink you. It's a woman driving, or riding the nuclear bomb. I know. And that's hot. That's mary. A window into the psyche of. Dave is that's a great picture. Yeah. Yeah. Hot blonde chick on a bomb. Lomb shout. Bombshell, blonde is brewed with American. Vienna. Malts Tim binding, give this ale its distinctive smooth. Creamy bottle just enough. Hops are added to this rich. Golden colored Neil perfectly balance. It's bready finish. It is non filtered non-pasteurized. No additives or preservatives are ever added no flavor or take away from delicate taste. It's delicate. No, sir delegated, folks, I wrote one word out she she outs like. I'm like I like big reference there. Whether enjoyed on the golf course on the beach, or simply sitting in home one sip from this bomb show will blow you away. True running up Ciccio. See what did you rate it? Our suds rating here for the bond show. Blonde is gonna be a one. Sorry that wouldn't work force can art. It was kind of retro World War vintage -ness of it. Really simple over there. Tim, didn't like his. The of the blonde, you know, it needed to be a bombshell, blonde. It looked like you know, Mary Poppins rendition of this should have just left this one on paper. Smells like birthday Keiko? Smells like birthday. That's okay. Oh, that's bad. Good night up next is going to be a beer from the collective arts brewing called stranger than fiction porter. She guessing this beer, smells Canadian. Because it might be Canadian might tasting notes where watery porter kind of coal, like. I like overly Roasti. It was very Roasti for the thinness of it being the second sip around. That's can I well. Porter say, rusty water. Rusty coffee water wanders, kind of died down. So that whole cola like thing, you know kinda rolled off. So. It had a bit of like an acid salt kind of thing going when we first tasted it so. Yeah. Warming up thing just gets watery, unfortunately. Okay. It's a five and a half percent. Porter. Percent. Come on give it a break it. Hold up more. Well as a porter I would think that it would correct think, so I personally would ask for my money back with the rest of the six pack. I don't think it's that bad, but disagree. Gonna tell you pretty much that you're old wrong. Okay. It's all right now. I wanna hear me so yeah, there's a little bit watery. There's a little bit of roast. Yeah. But it all kind of comes together. Does this. It's stranger than fiction. Yeah. So that means it's in reality. This beers. Pretty good ipso, facto three. No. Wow. Once again. Right. I'm reading it a five just so that when we do the group Brady it is going to end up with through your definitely fighting. All right. So about the candy so fiction is three thank you. Let's move on. I don't think some are rating for stranger than fiction, porter from collective arts is going to be too. Oh, I'm starting to hit the three. Can we rate good old boy, Dave? Is that possible coming do that? Yeah. We don't have a seven one one, but the cans is a little thin. Okay. I think the Kandeh. The cans are actually have unique art work for it. Looks like they had two different kinds of our work for this particular beer. So one is a psycho journey album, kind of meets retro. Seventies. How would you describe that when thank Laremy project, kind of thing, remember? Yeah. Jim. Journey album. Journey Ouoba m- and finished with the yeah, really absolute what? Exactly. Okay. I see what he's. Too bad eyesight. This is what happens you the invite these people to your house and next thing you know, you're wrong. How would you scrub the other? It's, it's this odd, it's like. It's like a little girls legs in the she's looks like she's been hiking looks like us in. Snakes, there's, there's all day. A artist is on Tim Vaughan from Philadelphia PA is more hair. All sudden, I know who likes there's some serpent. Some hiking boots. There's some slouch socks bandaids and, and a little girl's leg. Yeah. I think the can art is like way above the, the beer. It's interesting. Yeah, you're right. Both of these cans have. Well, that's the that's part of the whole thing about like are, you know. Can you trust? You know, the, the candidate of severe inside is good. What comes first? The bear that is on the. That depends on the Burri you know. Okay. I take that back. It's no it's just drag. Is back. Oh in jersey. Now, more of the Mothman prophecies. That's what I was thinking of, oh. Prophesy. I mean, people think she's right? What is what is even? What is a moth, man? Now it's a man, whose mom was a moth in his dead was a man hit the. It is not never seen a sexy. Last year. We have is from moon raker brewing company. It is called Dr chill. It is a Niba. What you guys think of this beer. No, no, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Just a leg on the number one. Just a lake just wanted. Fixed the whole time. Well, I don't know. It was because this was the only Nepean the flight or what, but this was my favorite beer in the flight. This was a good Niba. It was pretty good beer. I actually thought that it was. You know, a good average, you know, New England PA. EPA ms. Aic Citra Eldorado. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. Those are all the right stuff. No. See juicy at beer. It's all the Mark was middle. What did you think of this beer? That's a little. Missile long year. A little high we're going to call it ourselves rating here for stranger than I'm sorry. The doctor till Neva from moon raker is going to be a four. That's what you get Caperton, which is really merely because there is a lizard on the can't great want. Okay. Which would make you think that it was very dry, except that it's very juicy. Camouflaged. Well, that does it for today's episode here on Ken and Ken. You can always find us where you found this episode today as well as on radio satellite online on IT Google podcast. Iheartradio Spotify and nearly any place that you listen to a podcast, the easiest way to find this show is on your phone asked Alexa, Siri or Google play podcast sips, suds and smokes. And we do indeed love all of your feedback. So please reach out to us online at info at CYP, suds and smokes dot com. Our daily tasting notes flow out on Twitter and Instagram, every day at CYP Sud sm- that sips smoke and our Facebook page is always buzzing with the best beer news. Please take the time to rate this if you're listening online, how many stars Juliana fi. 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Sexiest Podcast Alive, with Matt and Viviana from THNK1994

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Sexiest Podcast Alive, with Matt and Viviana from THNK1994

"Hello, everybody. And welcome back to an all new episode of Dirk cast, my usual co host. Megan Reynolds is taking a much deserved vacation. So stepping into her place. Are I say this to a lot of people who come in here, and they do all rank? But with these two it's actually true, my favorite gusts that we ever have only. We have Matt Viviana from the Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan nineteen Ninety-four museum. Thank you for being here. Inky for having. This is very cool. I always get really excited mostly because I just like hanging out with you both. And this is a way to do it just like during the day. We know how to party, you know. And it's really fun to finally have recorded. You know, we're all wearing boas. Hovered in body glitter. Yeah, it's true. You went to one of those AM raves. The sober raves. Yes. So in this episode, we're gonna talk about Matt and Viviana 's latest exhibits their upcoming exhibit, which is about the wide world of celebrity fragrance. And then we are also going to talk a little bit about the people's sexiest man alive. Current and past. Maybe a sexy show. Yeah. I hope so. My goal with every time. I sit down here in your bath. I come in like leggings, a cat hair covered. Robin Byrd first of all though. I wanna talk about some pop culture things that happened this week. You're gonna be my sounding board. One of the saddest parts of my life is that I'm Gucci girl without Gucci gold. But thanks to posh Mark, which is a website where you can buy and sell gently used oftentimes luxury clothing items, guess what I can wear Gucci. I can wear Prada I can wear any of the designers. I want look out red carpet. Here. I come posh. Mark carries clothes for women for kids for men posh. Mark has tons of brands to shop from and there are so many deals, you won't believe it, and it's such an easy way to buy fashion items or sell them, if you happen to be someone who maybe needs to get a little bit of money pretty quickly. You can download a free posh Mark app to make it even easier. If you see something you want you can make an offer on it. Because maybe it's still too expensive. And maybe that person is really really desperate for a little bit of cash, and you can share your posh more closet handle and tell your friends where to find you on the app in case you have to be like share from clueless. And have you know, an. As in closet, or maybe you're me and all of your closet is just worn out T shirts that you bought it H M because you sweat it through your other one guess what? Either way you could share it. Why you want to share my closet, but you could listeners Dirk cast will get five dollars off their first purchase. If you just enter the invite code dirt cast one word when you sign up. That's the invite code dirt cast. Chris pine shows dog. Jed it's called outlaw kings. It's on Netflix now. Oh my God. Okay. So we can watch it today. Yeah. He shows full pipe. Okay. And we can probably Google and see exactly what happens to watch the rest of it. Right. Just look at the still can show. What you in this moment? We'd love to see it. It's like from faraway. And he's it's after he liked climbs out of a lake so it's like a little shrinked up. But not I mean realism real available. You know, western I believe it takes place in Scotland. And he's like a Scottish rogue. Oh, I watch humans that. Yes. So I mean, I'm just kinda showing a blurry still. Wow. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I mean, I think it could be more artfully done. It could be hosted up. He could be racked. Kind of like, maybe just like a silhouette olive benef-. Like, I'm going go like. Sorta like we recently watched sexist city movie through fresh eyes. And there's a great scene where Samantha sees a guy in an outdoor shower. It has it has such a beautiful. Dick. Remember them showing like not the full. But you get it for like a split the route. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm your next door neighbor. And my dog ran up on your deck. And then the other movie, Richard Gere, American gigolo. He's naked in that. And it's a similar. It's like that. Chris pine one where it's a realist thing. He's just looking out the window. There's nothing. Yeah. There's just just a little cock. Yeah. Hanging out. Yeah. We like it. Absolutely. I feel like I just want to. I mean, maybe you guys feel differently. I think like an out of context an out of a sexual context. Dick is not very attractive to me. Just because it's like it's not like we're going to figure out. And so I think there's like a little bit of like less of a thrill seeing guide changing. I think every time you see it's like, oh my God. It's just like it's so new that like, it's even like people think of doing it, you know, and you only see women. But it's definitely a surprise each time. Yeah. I mean, and I respect it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's I think more men should feel say feel free to do it. But that's what causes problems. Back up. Yeah. I I support him. And I just want to say Chris. Thank you take. So you're gonna show your. Yeah. Dogar? Yeah. And movies should do that. And they should have a law that for like a year every movie has male nudity where it's just like in. We're Julian more, and that Robert Altman movie where she's wearing a shirt, no pants movie was that sex. No, that's not a Roman. I forget the name of it. All remember is that there's this emerge. Julianne Moore semi like a fight and she's got a t shirt on. But no pants. Yeah. The Winnie the Pooh look. That is also interesting because I feel like as full frontal nudity becomes more common. Like, everyone has to make the decision like cubes or no poops. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a global conversation which I feel like if I was doing nudity. I would be like the pew would out like a low coverage will censorship. Yeah. I would like I would go the phone line yards. And just like Cohen pinker, something, you know, crazy. Good merkin. That's just a wig with two holes cut into it that you step into like. Fully bodies talking. Yeah. It's a look anyway. Oh, I have a fashion show idea. Yes. That I think could blow up here here here for it's just shirts that have very standard coffee slogans on them. That's it don't over think it but just like copy. Mcabe coffee or things like, but then they're like tucked into jeans and dirty sneakers. Yeah. I could actually see Dior doing something like that. I think that it's one of those things that actually could really. I know pasta's like five hundred dollars or something. Ever. Yeah for I'm a real bitch before. I think that's a great idea. Season one hundred or whatever. Yeah. Coming up. All right, right. A letter making Markle did. Exactly. Just take Megan Markle came tell me like what's your favorite Meghan, Markle fact that she carries. She carries around hand warmers. I guess for when she's out got it like greet people. And then one time she was greeting people. And somebody was like, I'm sorry. My hands are so cold and she took the hand warmer out of her pocket, and she gave it to them. What magic giving STAN Lee dead. Yeah. Yeah. Ninety five years old level on different. Opinions. He vote comic books. I don't. He appeared in his comic book movies. Great cam. Great cameos. I believe he got a accused of sexually harassing his nurses. So there's little doubt. Right. Why? But convenient true, but you know, that doesn't erase crime. No, no, ma'am. No, ma'am. As here, Cialis said to Stephen hawking posts death. Great, right. Thanks for your input. Oh, we have to save. My totally forgot. Preemptively tweeted that Stephen hawking was done. Gal. She was great. Unlike the recent celebrity big brother because every time somebody like asked her about Scientology's, you'd be like, no, no you've figured out. Don't know anyone. What do consists off the best way for someone to find out? What it is is to read a book on it book on. Like, many many Scientology. And or there's a TV channel now called Scientology dot TV. But what is the God? Then we all go to gourd always have been. Is there a God politics? Not unless you want to. It would just be like that's just want to learn. Read a book here. Now, there's no boobs you were here. It would be his would be like this. If I really want to know what a Christian was. Really believed. Yeah. I would. Did you see it? It was it was it was a train wreck. It was crazy because it was they plan. Stormy Daniels is going to be in it. So the whole show is presidential teams backed out. So they clear were just like, okay. Make cure CLA the president. Then it turned into a big brother season where it was built around cure Cialis being president which was like it made no sense. But they couldn't change it. Because all of the things that spent money on at least in the earlier episodes where presidential theme. So like, she became the president. And then they had these challenges that were in such bad taste almost like hard to watch. And then like one girl didn't want to take part in it and curiously Allie explained to her she'd like had to and then in her confessional, shoes like cure. She was once she joined the group she felt better. She didn't want to I. But when she joined the group, she immediately felt like a part of something like, yeah, you're in a coal. Didn't wanna talk to her friends and loved ones anymore. Yeah. He just got a little clearer. In Portland recently, and we had like a brunch as little day drunk, and I was I would go find a bathroom and meeting them back at the store, and then I pass by their Scientology's enter and they got me right on the street, and they were like high because I have a list on that you can see from the window of their like. Their menu. Don't be promiscuous. And I'm just looking at it. This guy came out. And I was like, hi, hi, he curious what are you doing? Where are you from? I think if I had one more drink. I would have liked just kept on talking to him. He just won't Sumer this go. Carpet. I'm doing it can do it. So I can see out happen. Yeah. I like always joke that I would be really susceptible to a called. But I actually think I would maybe make it I would have like two weeks of like fully drinking the Kool aid. And then I think I'm such a brat that like when people tell me what to do enough. I'm just even if it's good advice. Family. So I think that would kick in at a certain point kind of overrule the communal sense of safety, you'd be a bad. Apple you'd have to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Putting that trailer where they were taken with Scottish just like scream. We'll place. The hottest club. A friend of mine tried to do it just like for story, but they clearly googled her. And we're like, oh, you're journalist. And then wouldn't they wouldn't they shut her out which seems like interesting where it's like you got nothing to hide. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Another topic. I would like to ask you guys about Guerande is now the only person I respect one hundred percent agree. We just hope she just keeps on going. You know, just do whatever you want and then write songs about it. And we're just we're here for it. Did you see the video of her pretending? She has an Australian accent and just like running around outside. I saw I saw a minute of it. And or like a second of it. And it is very fun. She's just she's pretending. She's like, I guess Steve Irwin. And she's like, oh look at and over there. Just charming do. No wrong. Listening. He. Ryan. She could hear them. Come on. Right. Come we go? Here we go Liles a little bug. Those guys that's a good sauna means reindeer? Dish on on there. I haven't seen on a few days might means. The young prince. No kidding. This. Right. Did you? Oh, she'd then we miss it. Thinking about how far she's comes since licking that Donut and saying I hate America. I remember that day remember nine eleven. Yeah. Oh my God. Acres on the side of buildings and stuff. It was like 'Grande licks doughnut says she hates America. But yeah, now, she's just the empress of America feel also like what coin times when that was news. Like, I feel like now it's just like a thousand people have died. No one was remembering because another thousand different thing that happened this afternoon. Then Donald Trump told them all to go fuck themselves. I want to simpler days. Yeah. What year was that? When she looked the donor. I for some reason I was so recent. But it's fifteen. Oh, wow. Yeah. Good for her. I support her and that she should do more often. Yeah. Lik more doughnuts. Everything are Anna 'Grande. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So last week we talked about in. Thank you next coup is love who's pain whose patients I now have a better theory than what I had last week. Please tell no I think love is big Sean Payne is MAC Miller because of yeah tragedy, and I think patients is Pete Davidson, but not because it took patients to be with him because they had no patience and rushed their relationship. Oh, okay. I always rate as patients for MAC because I felt like there was probably like a lot of like struggle with and stuff like that. But that makes so much sense for that could be too. I don't know it just like, I think I said something dumb last week rose like doesn't make any sense because they didn't exercising patients and then on learn train, right home. I was just like, oh my. Oh, my. That's just a theory feel free to call in. And let us know. There was a period of time where I started a conspiracy theory that she was an actual baby. She's now she's now a small child is walking and talking on her own very proud of. Tweets using the ponytail causes her constant pain. No. Yeah. Somebody else try to highpoint hill. And then at her is like, how do you do this? It's so painful, she's like, oh, well, I'm in constant pain. The art. Love it. Joan Crawford would pin back or neck. It wouldn't be like Turkey might be a rumor, but I did hear that. She would do that like take next kin and then pin it back behind her wig stranger things have happened. That's true. Another thing she did that maybe love her recently. Someone tweeted something like Arianna Grandes new music makes me never wanna talk to men ever again. And then she retweeted it with the caption. Thank god. I was just like you're adorable. She's a cool girl. She's a cool girl. Who knows how cool she is. And it's so relaxing, you know, she's not pretending. She's not like a cool young rockstar. And she's just a sweep by on top of it. And she looks great. And also, apparently, Frankie Grandes threatful. Now, it was this great picture of him on a JetBlue flight body makeup. Like he's in first class. You could tell from the seats and he just like had full body makeup on his chest. And he's just sitting there win for set phones fabulous. He's like someone who really knows what. What his places which is like, you are just the sibling of someone talented, and he's gonna ring that out as much as he can. What it must have been like for him because he entered celebrity brother, and then he and the ground. It was just like, you know, like, a Disney girl, and then he leaves big brother, and she has become famous famous. It all happened. Experience. Dang. So he's like growing from that every day. I feel. Yeah. Growing to find love in trouble. I looked up on Instagram is replicates and one's a doctor and one year. He's doing just fine ladies, so we should all fire. So lucky feel like if you're in trouble with a doctor and a lawyer your days, you just spend them like doing those like things they have at the gym that are like those like ropes that you like wind up. Like your every day. You just do that for hours and then. Exactly. I mean, bad news. I guess if they ever split because one is very litigious. But like good news. If you ever get sick or a lawyer, call number one, you know. Yeah. Constantly. I need a lawyer. Victoria's Secret their head of marketing, Ed Razek, he made it very clear that he doesn't want plus size models or trans models Billy ever to be on the Victoria's Secret runway the second that I read that about two bras at Fendi. Victoria's Secret angels fashion show is so freakish to me anyway, it's feels like an antiquated notion of like smoking hot big. We can see naked women whenever we want such a relic. And it's like it's still at every show would be the same people who'd be there like years ago a decade ago like the guy played Smith. Jared is there? I bet. Just like front row. Yeah. So here's what he said. So it's like why don't you do fifty? Why don't you do sixty? Why don't you do twenty four? It's like why doesn't your show do this? Shouldn't you have transsexuals in the show? No, no. I don't think we should. Well, why not because the show is a fantasy? It's a forty two minute entertainment special. That's what it is. That is the stupidest non-answer in the world like your shows a fantasy, truly whatever you want. Is it forty two minutes. It's like an hour with commercials. But also, it's like Victoria's Secret in a decade. I think it's literally for seventeen year olds by like the sprays. You know? That's the last time. And then they had another thing in article where it was like, we're never gonna be your third love weight because there's another brand like for everybody third love, and they're like where your I love, and it's just like who are you like a record executive nineties like gonna make it edgy. Brand that's primarily used by women to be like, this is what you want. Yeah. Sort of sometimes I like like when people say these things because I think it just like shows who they are good to know. Now, we know we know shop venti. Yeah. Shop Fendi also like maybe Carly caution quit. Yeah. Maybe all these models should quit. Okay. Let's do that. Let's tell them to. Number happen. She's literally married to a cook. The good one. But also like is there a good one? Oh. I now want to move onto some celebrities a little closer to us you both. Wow. Are you mentally knowing Barnes? A doctor analog. So you guys like moved from your space in crown heights and are now doing pop ups like that look really like she she the socio, but still t h k yeah, of course, like our latest one was anyone toward double crossing her legs. Can you explain what that is? Absolutely. So Laura Collins who did Olsen twins side from the hopper. Rod see and real house is pointing fingers she had noticed that a lot of times in towards the front row. She would not just cross her legs. But double cross her legs. Yeah. It's a statement in flexibility, and just you know, armor, and modesty and power to power move. It's like, you know, I'm gonna go one extra. So she painted twelve. Incredible oil paintings life size twenty four by forty eight. We had him display this very narrow gallery space. It was her first one I'm gonna Hatton, and you would walk down. And we we added was we added some cats on the floor. That you would be on the catwalk. I'm in the room. And what we also dead. And this is crazy, but we hung the paintings very low, which you just don't do. No. I just don't do walk in here. Like, this is their low crazy crazy lart, but it's like you're walking. And then she you're looking down at her. And she's looking up at you. And yet she still has the power, and you are a model. So we want to give people the experience, you know, model if we ever can. Yeah. I mean, thank you. Also, like the double cross is so weird. Because like if you try to think of it, you're like, how does that work? But it's like a knee and then an ankle under the CAF. Yeah. It's like it's just a little behind like you're doing what Matt can do it. But the experience like when you do it. It's everything you would imagine. I can't explain it. You know? Tried try now I have weirdly, flexible ankles, okay week. So they. Yeah. I can do it feel like I feel very secure my crotch feels very protected but rooted perhaps rooted, but I also feel like to sit like that for like an hour would get a little bit uncomfortable. It's hard on the knees. I have like a steel plate in my leg. So when I do it where are you going to pop out? It's like the tension at home. If you. About about steel police or call your doctor. Yeah. And then get your lawyer to sue these guys. I can't do it. But it doesn't make me less of a woman. So no. Makes you more of a woman us. Won't be contain. So coming up though, you guys have something very exciting. In the east village, and it's with artists. Miriam Carruthers and it's going to be the fantasy art of celebrity perfume ads. And she is doing these, hyper real illustrate of ten of the most iconic celebrity perfume ads in the world. But there are so many white diamonds, of course, will be represented mother. The mother. So it's not going to be like Charlotte's there and Ford Dior it has to be like a personal sent. No. Yeah. We focused on ones where it was their scent that they were releasing like, this is the experience of me. Yeah. White diamonds was like the big. It was the first one's really blow it out. But I still feel a rent actually was that. Yeah. But she was approached by like, I think it was Cody is the brand to just basically I always use involved so much in it. And it was just like feeler end perfumes feeler in the ad. And then Taylor was the one who was like the kind of blew it out. More was like, yes, this is white diamonds. Someone wants gave me a tiny bottle of white diamonds. It's like a joke gifts. And it is like if you just open the bottle at your house will stink for. It's a lot has lasting power though. That's why it's such an important fragrance because a lot of times the celebrity ones are like they're just like sugar water. Right. And they don't they don't have any. It's just like it's so it doesn't stick around for that long. Yeah. Perfume I ever smells like when I was just walking through like, a Bloomingdale's or whatever. And I was like this is who I want to be. This is me was Hilary Duff's with love. It was just such a fabulous fucking sent. It was. So it was it was mature. But it was young. It was exciting. It was. It was just it was fun. Good sent in my mind. I imagine it being very like candy now. No, it was I was a very womanly said. Good for her. She you know, she's kind of a renaissance woman kind of. In the ad because we thought about doing that one. But it's just like her piano. And then there's like the with love on the thing. Do it. We will not be represented, but it'll be in my heart, of course. And you're representing it now. Yeah. So I mean, only so make it. But if they do send it so many era when that one came out, that's what they really exploded. Again. With Jennifer Lopez put out glow. Yeah. Like a few in the middle between Elizabeth Taylor. Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez was the one who kick started it into hyper drive Britney. Of course, Britney is thought of mmediately she's the Queen of celebrity perfume. She has a new one coming out now Braga. Braga of progress of Paris is in their know, how here's we think is like a mean lady. So we don't try to we try to not you don't want to even give her the space. She's like she's like a love Trump. He probably do that to those women. I know give you it's like it for years ever in his known this because there's a storage locker. She didn't pay a fee on in the mid thousands. And all of this stuff was found in there. And like among it was recordings which I don't understand. But like recordings of her in like multiple situations. Just saying the worst thing about every group of people you could possibly imagine. Why you keep those weird rich people where they say it. And then they haven't unrecorded then they keep it or. So weird that family. It's always really interesting. When like Kyle Richards on Instagram whose course Kathy Hilton sister will like shout out her nephew, Barron Hilton. She's always just like happy birthday baron. I'm so proud of you, and I'm like. That airplane meltdown and like tried to attack stored like I used to work at the Hilton. And he wants tried to check in without any money or I d but the guy was like, I need idea or funny. And then he's like, no my news. The fucking building. Kathy had to call. I'm like arrange it. Hers Houghton is like a Jillian air because of her perfumes. Yeah. And like Kerr national perfumes and stuff like that. How they sell really well overseas. There's a few people who it's like, oh, I didn't even know you had a cent, but it's overseas like the twins have won. I think one of many but not like a row it's like just like no actually it's from years ago, and it just has their image on it. I do find the Kim Kardashian. Bottled which is like her silhouette apparently to be like almost pornographic. Oh. We'll send be incorporated into the absolutely. It's clear what it's going to be experience of walking into a Macy's. You're gonna come in. We're gonna spreads. Yeah. It's it's going to be the first art show. We think that you can smell. I think we're going to get like a law. You're gonna wreak they'll be counters filled with perfume bottles. So it's going to be just multi sensory the artists who runs it. Who's who's doing the art? She actually she's a collector of celebrity perfume. So everytime. We see. Here's your brings us like Kate moss. Purview. Good. Yeah. Little famil-. So we are well equipped to I. I don't know what they're all gonna smell like together in a tiny tiny room. But that's something that you're gonna experience with. Yeah. I love like an exhibit. That guarantees you a migraine. Fragrant sensitive. Respect for you. If you are. But I'm just kidding give these guys all of your money fragrance sensitive common than be like the star of the moment. And just be like, I can't be around. A total breakdown. Good idea. They make about you in that moment. Well, you guys did a grazing Adamy exhibit across the street from sir in West Hollywood. We went to Hollywood I had to celebrity sightings. I I saw route side of a hardware store. Lisa Vander pumps party planner. And then the around the corner, I saw at least parents husband Ken in a car. And then I was smoking some using celebrity very loosely in this. I mean in my world yet we saw Tom right from Vanderbilt rules, tons of all you saw. And then yeah, we told everyone about it when we saw people, and they acted like it was like you were like I saw mailbox. We. Celebrity though because right outside the exhibit some random person, I guess Kiana Reeves and was then they took a picture with him, and then tagged the exhibit Kiana refashion sites went wild. We got our site. Almost crashed coming from Mr. Reeves dot com. I think I've up in variety to. They can't a ruse there. He absolutely was not. But we told everyone like a good light of perpetuate. Yeah. That's how the businesses, you know, he just pretend. Kiana Rene's would have been nice Bruce Willis had one. What was it called private life? Life or something like that like my private? Yeah. I bet. Yeah. Not enough. Like alias men. Have their own personal. Yeah. But there are a lot of good men ones. What we we saw it bowl. Oh, I mean, Mr. worldwide, of course, Derrick jeeter had one. But I don't think that he's still does. I don't know what that's like smell the pit bull one. It's got it. I did. I mean, I don't think I don't think pit putting his name on anything that was less than one hundred percent. Great. Great good. Johnny depp. Perfume would dislike smell like ground up cigarettes and like for melda high daily pissed himself. And so one does this open. This is going to run a very exciting time December twenty eighth through the thirtieth summer twentieth right before New Year's Eve, you're in you know, but it's not on news eve. That's no, no, no. And you'll just come on by it's free. You'll you'll by painting, probably, but if not you'll just, you know, smell some stuff, it'll be fabulous. But we are excited to another one because we got to in Manhattan, and they're both small spaces. So we are excited to another big space in twenty nineteen and put lots of stuff places, you know, as as we do, right? So this is like also I'm excited for you. Because our listeners may recall, but you guys were literally living in the gallery space that you were renting before yes. Which didn't have a kitchen kitchen knowing we lived in the same room, essentially, but it was just like different levels for awhile. One of you is in a haunted basement. Yeah. And that did not last long because of flooded. We are now in an apartment with two bedrooms, the doors close. Okay, we've haunted furniture. Oh, yeah. We had to haunted up. We got some like used furniture. We thought it looks really good. But it's every time you lose something about planer. Never come in. Terrified of antiques. He is because he goes on them. I don't know what it is. But he has a phobia of antiques, and he can't stay at old hotels. Oh my God. Well, we're safe at least from Billy Vaughan. But it's looks jury us it's still very Niro. But but yeah, it'll does the trick. I'm so happy for you guys. I'm also even happier. Because now we're gonna talk about people's sexiest man alive. So this year people finally listened to the masses I'm gonna say the masses of like twenty thirteen. Made eaters Elba the sexiest man alive, and I'm just so happy. I think it's a great choice. I watched the wire. So I've known him for a while. Sure. Stringer bell. Yes. So this is very exciting. Debonair debonair big shoulders, you know, just fabulous across the board. Yeah. Does he is he promoting anything right now because I feel usually it lines up with a marketing he opened a cocktail bar in overseas. Like in his home of England or England. Yeah. Show bars. So I think if you go there, you might I don't get to hang out with him. Or maybe not. I don't know. That's the other thing that you have to remember about each us all of us that he's a DJ. And then that kind of makes it like. But you know, the man can wear a suit. He can do Jamie anytime they couldn't affected up harder than they did last year though, with Blake Shelton that was a terrible choice. But that was something that like clearly like Blake's people and people lobbied for where it was just like he had an album to promote. And he was on the voice, and it was just like he is our generation's Charles Manson. No business sexiest man alive. You'll remember Charles Manson people sexually. What a what a gum up that one. Yeah. Blake Shelton for like the personality alone. Give us back Wednesday funny and going your way out of your, but Nick Nolte was the sexiest man alive once and he is rumored to drink his own urine to stay young. Really? He's on TLC show. My strange addiction somebody did that there. I have to qualify that. Because this is something that I have thought is true for years. And when I do go it all that comes up is an article I wrote. That he doesn't. It is the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm somehow inception. A weird dream when tricks. Just sold it hard. Oh my God. We're talking through you. Spirit. I mean, one thing our producer. Rachel noted is that the winters are getting older usually they were in their thirties for the bulk of them and now like the last four up in their forties. We gonna go to fifties. I think it's because like men feel like they need to be relevant for longer. It's like how men have to believe that like the lowly the trope exists because it means there's still sexually viable. That kind of is the same when it comes to like this where it's just like, it's aspirational. Yeah. But like you're not passed your peak. I don't know how many like trying to brainwash. People alive issue, but they expect us to buy it, you know. And by the fact that that'd be like. Yeah. Their nails are less hot. There's a lot of sub winners. Oh, okay. So like this year, they did like a sexiest Chris. And it was Chris Hemsworth who didn't show dick in a movie. He just for that. Sexiest Michael was Michael Jordan get with that sexiest Tom Tom hardy. So they just go through every name. Paul the rest of the issues. Sexiest men include John Christine sqi. I would not call him sexy. Excuse me. Okay. There's would you. He did like a workout transformation or something that Jack Ryan. Yeah. Then I feel like if you do that. It's just part of it is at some point. You're going to be on one of those lists. I also think it's about like a words campaigning for a quiet place where it's like we gotta get his house getting out. Okay. I don't know how the sausage is made. No Centenario from all the boys. I loved before have not seen it. But I'm aware of him. He's very charismatic. Bradley Cooper, who you may know from the film called a star is born when she saying that there's a picture of him photo of him with. I think it's sukey Waterhouse. Yeah. And they're in a park, and she's laying in his lap. And he's reading Lolita. Like a high school like drama teacher. If you if you hired high school drama teacher to stage, a 'paparazzi photo to show that you were in love with somebody. This is what they would come up with like on. Nobody ever does. Maybe like really cynical about I break, that's not real. So whatever for whatever reason they decided we're going to stage a photo shoot. And you know, whatever reason that we need to have it. I guess. I pray that that's not real. Lease don't real. Maybe. That's just what he's like. I don't know. It's so stupid. Who got Chadwick bozeman who is Sex's Chadwick? Henry Golding who's the very handsome man from crazy rich, Asians, Assan Manashe who is a comedian was a Netflix show special Ricky Martin who I feel like American crime story for sake back and on is on their sex. Troy. Right. And then Prince Harry was Crohn's sexiest Royal, but it's like who else would. You have a single Royal. It's hotter than Prince, Harry, Harry's. The hottest Harry is losing his hairy. It doesn't make unattractive. Yeah. No. Yeah. No, no. But I mean, you have unlimited money, right? Like, so what's the choice to like just go with it? You know? I know here's you is not like there where you can just pay the money, and it's like it goes away. Right. I do think like, you know, calling the big guns. You know, you like, I'm there's cutting edge technology that I'm sure you are the one who has access to like two of the best rugs. In hollywood. I think our Ted Danson hairpiece. He looks great. And he was also so smart in that he aged it. So that it looks natural or it's like he matched it to the rest of his hair as opposed to keeping it like dark Brown. Yeah. And then I think Steve Carell has a really good one. See I did not even I can't not even pay them bulbs because they they did very, well, if you watch a lot of cheers as I have you can really see like thin out. And then suddenly get really lush again. Oh, he did. Cheers day. Yeah. And then in the office, it's also like the first season. His hair is really thinning. And then clearly like, you know, how people just like get more thin in tan and better looking as their show becomes more successful. His like full. But it looks great because he doesn't Felton pepper. He knows. Yeah. So send that to Prince Harry. Yeah. Breach out to one of them. People are just cable said that there's always a backlash says every year. So maybe will inevitably yell at us. What were you thinking? Honestly, that's just part of the fun. Sees a presser because he put Blake Shelton on the cover of. Fucking. Adam levine. Oh, yeah. I saw Adam LeVine. And then there's another crazy one. The no go Harry Hamlin way back. We all know what about that things to you? You told urine thing you just made this. I can't say it legally, you know, I can't say what the rumor is Harry Hamlin. And then like Hollywood crazy was it Hollywood days and nights. Site. So don't go too deep into it the saying, there's a blind item. That's very telling. But who's to say, isn't that something? That's not me. I'm not saying anything, you didn't say a thing. Definitely haven't said it multiple times. The very first one was Mel Gibson. And like he turned out great. That was the first one nineteen eighty five Mel Gibson who never went on to tell the mother of his child that he hopes she gets raped by a pack of n words. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. Good pick doing what is he making? Now, he's making a movie writer, he's in a movie Mel Gibson. Yeah. They're like always like Mel Gibson is back baby. And it's like oh. Mark Harmon nineteen eighty six. Oh, wow. Harry Hamlin eighty seven JFK junior nineteen Eighty-eight. Yeah. Yeah. Sean Connery nineteen nine also held to just he old. Then Sean Connery was fifty nine also domestic abuser. So cute. Ninety Tom Cruise. We all know is the most sexually charged person. Swayze was a nice enough fellow impedes. Not alive people on here. At the time. That's going to happen run think fair. Nick Nolte as we talked about. Maybe. And then in nineteen Ninety-three was Richard Gere, but paired with Cindy Crawford is sexy. Sexiest couple. Oh, that's fun. They should do that. That's fun. Do you think they were gonna give him sexes, man? And then like she was like new to. Yana Reeves next. Then there was we met. Close. But his thing was weird. And that there was none for that year. And then people like filled him in later retroactively awarded him. This would have been nineteen ninety four a was such a crazy year. There's probably no time for a cover that you're for sexiest person because that was. Tanya? Mary Kay, Letourneau America changed. Yeah. But the last time. Who really was the victim? And all counter Reeves, really know. Right. He was just like is peak speed have you seen speed two cruise control? No. But I should a great movie one is like not anywhere near. It's good. No way different way. He's not in it. He was like he was offered the script like, no fees. We have a podcast good for her. And wanted you to promote that at some point. So now is the moment. Now's the time. We we talk about, you know, stories like good for her or not my business or cut it out. But Matt one of the feed to music to be our theme song. And then he sent the wrong file, I sent a different track from the speed to soundtrack. And then the person who is helping us edited they use that. And they won't use the originals now he just go. But it's like, very it's like a Caribbean music. And when they arrive at the crew. What I wanted was the speed to main theme, which is such a club banger. I mean, if they released it today, it would people would be like this fucking changing music like this would it would dictate music next five years. Oh god. Doc, good. But you can't hear it on our podcast because we've never was high. Listen to this podcast. We'll get the headed get it from YouTube all the files end up being called speed too. So I couldn't tell which one I was sending and I have the whole thing on my phone to listen to when I want, but I I get it romantic four dot com slash good for her for her. After kiono after Ken was Brad Pitt Denzel was in nineteen Ninety-six George Clooney, nineteen Ninety-seven height VR, seven oh end. Batman and Robin. And that. Harrison Ford was the next year hot one. He's he's every video of him where he's like there's like pop Rasi taking his photos. It's very hot this is he's crashing point. Yeah. Me anytime MRs still with cliff Lockhart. He is. Yeah. How do they mean? She's built a drink on him at a Golden Globes after party, I think on purpose a meet cute. Yeah. No. She actually was throwing it like. Richard Gere, then won again in nineteen ninety nine that works for me. Brad Pitt won again in two thousand Pierce Brosnan two thousand one that was the year of golden I think wow, years bras or one of his bond movies without your two thousand two benefactors. Hopefully that would have just been the Geely. Wow. David these others the hugest movie in the world. I mean. For point one. Yeah. And then they were like he was wearing these big suits everywhere. I and then she always they were very like Elizabeth Taylor. Burton fantasy put that together. Oh, yeah. And she would do like a very Elizabeth Taylor like on her dresses that were members like one like Oscars. And it's like this vary. Elizabeth taylor. It's blue like shoulder off the shoulder one. And then they were just they were so tan the only real couple. Yes. There's like this pop video where she is dating somebody else. And then he has sent bene- flick one of them over to give her flowers. So she gets these flowers. She's like who are they from? And it's been Aflac God, she's leaving like a date with somebody else. It does seem like it was like was not like planned or anything. That's so romantic. Like this. On the Ritz. Johnny. Still still holds up. Wait is he was on there for that's like two thousand three pirates of the Caribbean. Johnny Depp was the one who made the sexiest man alive. Yeah. That no, ma'am. That's got all of so many of these guys are like now such leases Jude law two thousand four. Sale. Didn't figure out his hair because he went bald. Right. But then he got a rug. I think. Yeah. His because he now looks like ten years younger did ten years ago. Yeah. So he was probably I'm going to let it age gracefully. And then he was like. These slept with their nanny goat. I'm sure every member photos. Somebody took from like NYU across the street down to Jude law. Doing naked yoga. No, I do. Wow. Matthew, mcconaughey? Hey, two thousand five. Ten days. Yeah. George Clooney again in two thousand six I make sense about Dame and in two thousand seven he's five years after benef-. Yeah. He just had to way by this time. Yeah. But he got there. Good. Good old Boston. Boy, the next one Rachel produce. This is he Jackman. I can see her and she just shakes her head. Jackman who is friends with the other Kushner? Which is. I saw that. He was like, we just don't talk about politics. All right. Fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. We let you host so many of our musical word shows and his d'amerique. It's just not also not I guess shocking. I was shocked hurt it. And then I was explained to me like no all these people used to hang out with her like most libraries. Like you're used to be. He's the only one who's like. Yeah. I guess we still hang out. He's like Ryder. Meghan markle. Once we're like a blog post about how like Lanka was her most admirable friend or something really that was like when she was on suits and blogging a lot. Yeah. Probably just stress needed a topic. Kind of get this out by four. Johnny Depp, one again in two thousand nine what was that? Oh, what a mistake. I mean. That's that's deep into pirate territory. Yeah. Ryan Reynolds in two thousand ten. He's just like generically handsome, man. But I don't know about him is probably like Amityville horror Ryan Reynolds than he would have Jeff definitely just gun real. But ripped and that makes sense, you know, but like just the way. It's like, oh, you don't have to tell me. I can't get into totally forgot about. That's right. How did he what did he do? He did he leave her for Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. I mean, they broke up. He moved on to go Johannesen. Yeah. But like I mean, he was nobody before Lantis. He was two guys a girl and a pizza place. Yeah. He was nothing. We'll just friends. But I mean, that's in affairs movie. I think I've talked with this before on the podcast. But I have like weirdly seen every single episode of two guys girl because it was on when I it was like on like instigation on lifetime when I get home from school. Oh my God. So I always watch to back to back. Yeah. And so like it sort of feels like, oh, my friend, Ryan. He's really gotten to he's gotten so full of himself. He's not that same one guy of two. Okay. We're getting close two thousand eleven Bradley Cooper that was the your hangover to came out. Gotcha. The next year was Channing Tatum. Is that when the first? I think so he should have been on there that year. Yeah. They knocked it out of the park that year that they put any Tatum. Could not have done it. Better credit credit? All right. Then the next year was Adam LeVine. And then all this. I wrote remain article out of moving that you're that. It was basically about how I found him. Repulsive. And it's like one of those things that like the time as a young writer. It was like, oh like being mean is the same as like being funny? I will say it was really funny. Like, I just called them like a sentient leather wrist of. As like an STI that you get from sitting in a hot tub. And so like all of the stuff I was saying like accurate, also like, oh, he's like a human feel. Yeah. You know? I don't know. So it's to say ended up being like the basis of a G Q profile about him where it was like is Adam LeVine, the asshole that the world thinks God you change the world with John too. To the haughty prince Lou. The he had a KMart clothing collection and a lot of the clothes had that vibe. Yeah. And so it definitely checks out with me. There was one really cute shirt. But it's also like at one thing. Yeah. Sure. Chris Hemsworth was the next year. I'm guessing that's when Thor came out. Okay. Gotta be unless it was a an indie crimson Christians. And they were just like we need another like blonde beige, ma'am. Yeah. Here's one. How do you Chris David Beckham was the next year, which is like what was he up to back? He did like an ATM line or something for a while. So maybe that lines up that is crazy. Feel like I don't want to be that powerful. But I guess they seems like it should be like a like he should have been like in a bend it like Beckham era. Yeah. Like, that's when he reached stateside, maybe Pasha's calls like do it. Somebody probably told her it hadn't happened yet. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. She's like. She's like. Calling jeff. Victor. Do that two thousand sixteen was the rock, which I get the appeal of the rock, but I also find the idea of his sexiness to be like terrifying. 'cause he's so huge just like throw. You would never come. Lift you. Yup. You'd feel so tiny. I do want to be like carried in like. Baby. But it's like more I would want his maternal instincts. Clichy seniors amazing acting work. Losing those dogs? Wait, he likes saved his dog from drowning in the pool. And then like a week later it a some mushrooms in his backyard and died my God final destination about his dogs. It was I mean, it's sad. I just think it's I think the Mountlake celebrities whose dogs die is weirdly higher than like the average for the hire. Somebody should take care of it. Right. Like, I dunno by Lambie or whatever. Dog is still alive. 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The Brink Books a Room at the Hilton

The Brink

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The Brink Books a Room at the Hilton

"I'm Mark Murphy. I'm chef restaurant tour and host of new podcast from iheartradio called food. Three sixty. Join me as we take a three hundred sixty degree look at history science culture and more all through the lens of food. The most important thing for me is not my writing ego. It's getting people to cook. Delicious food be sure to subscribe to food three sixty on the iheartradio app, apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Conrad Hilton founder of the Hilton hotel group, didn't necessarily want to be a hotel year when he grew up. But then despite his friends reservations, a CD little hotel planted, the seed of an idea that turned him into one of the frontiers men of the hotel industry, but it wasn't always comfy bed to Lyon. And when the great depression, hit it very nearly close the doors on Hilton. Let's check out how quick thinking outstanding work ethic and care for his fellow man helped Conrad Hilton check into massive success. This is Hilton on the brink. Guys. I'm Jonathan Strickland Mariel Casten. And today, we're talking about a subject suggested to us by one of our listeners. DJ filton. Yeah. Thanks DJ. And this is a big subject, obviously the Hilton hotels. That's an enormous company but we're specifically focusing on the founder Conrad Hilton, and sort of his journey into establishing the Hilton company, which that journey is filled with, I think one of the biggest break moments of Hilton's entire history. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you're talking about launching a business shortly before the great depression, and the remote people times when the company could have just gone belly up. But didn't and we're going to cover all of that. There's also we want to mention going to be a part of the story that has really disturbing and we will give a trigger warning when that gets. Closer. It is a very dark Mark on the entire story. But we feel it's important to include for all objectively a lot. A lot of the history written on Conrad Hilton is very, very positive. But there, there are some negative things and it's important to look at it all. Yeah. And yeah, we'll talk more about it when we get there. But you might we'll, we'll let you know, do you mind west skip ahead. If you if you get very sensitive about difficult topics. Yes. And one less thing to mention it was recently Hilton's one hundred anniversary. We did a whole bunch of research on this episode, but a lot of the dates in ages, and little minute show of this history. And of, of this story varied from different sources, you might see that something supposedly happened in nineteen Forty-six six in one source, and another source says it was nineteen forty seven so just a stab the fact that the dates were going to be using are largely, you know, each dates because we just we. Can't be sure it's it's hard when you're looking at different sources, all of which appear to be, you know, reliable ones, but they're giving different information. Exactly. But we do know one date for certain, and that is the date when Conrad Hilton was born. Yes, it was Christmas day. Eighteen eighty seven. Yup. In the little town of Bethlehem. No, no. But a different town. It was a town of San Antonio, but not sending Tonio, Texas. No San Antonio New Mexico. He was born to Mary. Ann, Augusta's, Healton or gust to his friends S two friends. I'm not Augusta's friend remind never knew the man, but he was also one of eight children. Yep. So big family and gusts Hilton was quite the businessman himself. Right. He was he, he did a lot of things. He did trading financing. He ran a general store. He finance things like mines you mean like the hi ho. Hi, ho. It's off to work. We go type of mine. Yeah. Not like minesweeper and Peter lever. So, yeah, so then this work ethic was passed along to Conrad as well. Conrad Hilton even as a kid at a, a real get up and go kind of attitude, right? Did he did a lot of things before he became a hotel owner and manager? And he started really, really young, one of the things that he's known for across most of the research that I saw that he was a big dreamer, and he worked hard and he was raised Catholic. A devout Catholic has mother was a Catholic. And so that was an important part of his life throughout the entirety of his life. And there are still some glimmers of that in foundations and in his business today, so some references to Catholicism or at least some nods to, to Catholic philosophy. Yes. So we said he started working very. A young reports. I saw said, I think as early as five he might have been growing and selling vegetables. But he was also helping in his dad's general store. That was the biggest thing. And then his dad may be wanted him to be general, as he sent him off to military school at age eleven. I see what you did there. Well he did. Okay. Yeah. It wasn't wasn't. You know, wasn't the valedictorian or anything. No. But he was really good at math. And apparently he was encouraged to study engineering but he didn't find that take yearly compelling. But in one thousand nine hundred his father hit it really big. He sold one of his minds and made a lot of money, and they all moved out to California, the entire family and Conrad with his good work ethic went ahead and got himself a newspaper out. He had kept on working and the family lived out there for a few years. But then there was a big recession in one thousand nine hundred seven and the Hilton family was hit the ticket early hard Gus Hilton's entire. Small fortune that he had made the allowed them to move out to California was completely wiped out, and they had to relocate back to New Mexico. Yes. What they did there. She been like a premonition for Conrad Hilton's career path. But it wasn't. No. They took their home, and they turned it into a boarding house. And Conrad Hilton was put to work as well. He wasn't just living there. He was the bellhop. Yes. And their houses, perfectly suited to it, according to reports because as each child in their large family was born Gus would add another room to the house. So there were lots of room. There are lots of room. Yeah. So that's why they could turn into a boarding house. So then when he was really right at twenty one, I think, or is one of those dates twenty five I think most say, twenty one but somewhere around there Conrad Hilton what unquote takes over the general store from his father. But there's a reason we put quotes around that. Yeah, he was a micromanager. He couldn't let go. Yeah. He was. No, elsa. No. Also, let it go. Oh no Cal fan. Oh my goodness. Anyhow Conrad learned some more work ethic out of this. So even though it wasn't the intentional work ethic has dad tried to instill in him. It was additional work ethic. He he learned. He had to keep cooling calm and not make a big deal out of things says dad would Rigo would freak out and you know, it's something he could handle, he also really learned the value of delegation. Threw this. He's like, if I give somebody a task, I'm going to trust them to do it. I'm going to put people in the positions. I need that. I trust so that when I give them a task I trust them, right? Because this is ridiculous. I don't have to sit there and hold their hand or stand over their shoulder. This also served him, well, because he would serve a stint as a politician. You was in New Mexico's for state legislature in nineteen twelve. So that was another valuable experience for him. He also got a lot of experience doing public speaking, which would be another thing that he would rely heavily. On earlier on his career. There are some reports saying that he was the youngest son reports said he served two terms one term. It's still pretty impressive. New Mexico was pretty note that point. Then he became a banker which was sort of what he had been hoping to do or memorial, but he ended up taking hit the entirety of all of his savings, and then that was just under three thousand dollars or so. But that was just a little bit of what he needed he then borrowed or raised about thirty thousand dollars in capital. In order to found his Bank and everything went swimmingly and he became one of the biggest financiers all of American history. Right. And that's why he says successful. No, it turns out that after he did this the border directors. And the shareholders both did some pretty, like mean stuff or support of directors elected, somebody else president of his Bank. And then the shareholders tried to oust him as well which they think might have been the doings of the old Bank owner. But his dad who had initially invested in the Bank helped rectify this, and he became I think vice president. Yeah, I guess the Hilton was already Conrad that is was already prepared for this having gone through the experience of having his dad micromanage. Now. He has a board of directors that is telling him what he has to do when he thought he was going to be the one calling the shots. So then he ends up selling the general store. The family ends up selling the generals really and ink and the Bank is well. And then Conrad ends up volunteering because that was the outbreak of World War One, so he volunteers to serve during World War One. Yes. And I read that this is where he got his love for travel because he traveled around the state seeing some places he had never seen before. And then he ended up going over to France and travelled around France for the war, now, something unfortunate happens during this time in his right before he left army. Right before he was going to come back home. His dad died, I think in a car crash, and it kind of left him spinning his wheels. So he wasn't sure. What he was going to do. He was thinking maybe banking, his, his mom said, you need to find your own frontier. And so he moved to Texas and looked by Bank, you only had five thousand dollars to do it. Yeah. Which is not enough money to buy a Bank. And in the meantime, he was a he was his own little side hustle, going on because I don't think he could ever not work there. He was trading in mohair that was his side hustle. I don't know if it was mohair yarn or fabric or all of the above or. Yeah. Yeah. But he was looking at areas of Texas, where the oil business was taking off because this was right in that era, where there's the oil rush in Texas. And so he found a Bank in an area where there were doing some booming business in oil, and he wanted to buy it, but he was having some trouble. And so he was staying in a charming place. So the, the charming hotel in town called the Mobely hotel in Cisco Texas. And he made a big decision about that hotel, not just to rent a room, but to buy it. Yeah. And the reason he chose to buy this dingy. Little nasty hotel. The reports I read it sounded like. Sound like a rough and tumble kind of place yet. Well, they were turning their rooms over every hour. So three times a day, they would check people out and check new people, and that's not enough time to late clean change linens. I don't know how big changing linens was because this was a nine hundred nineteen, but because this was a big oil boom, you know, you had all these people who were working in the oil fields, and so they would rent a room for eight hours, so they could get some rest and then go right back to work. And so that's really what was going on here in this rapid turn around the. Yeah, it was this was this was a hotel that was making some serious cash. However, just because it was profitable didn't mean that the owner wanted to hold onto it because the owner had aspirations of becoming an oilman and self to make a fortune in oil. Yeah. So Conrad looked over the books to make sure it was a good decision and he bought it for forty thousand dollars. He got half of the money from his friends and half from the Bank. I will say that his friends who invested in this. We're not certain. They were not super off done Dever. They thought that buying this hotel was not great decision, but he immediately gets to work. You starts to overhaul the hotel. He decides that he wants to maximize efficiency make the best use out of the space that was available. He really started to try and turn it into an even more successful business. Yes. So Hilton has this really big thing all the way through his entire career and all through all of his hotels, about not wasting space. And so he when he took over the mobile, he got rid of the dining hall. He cut his his reception desk in half even turned a potted plant into a tiny novelty store. All he he throughout the plant. I don't like mood rings on the plant leaves, but the one thousand nine hundred equivalent, but every space that wasn't something. That people could sleep in or use or place that could make money was aware of space, he called this finding these little areas to optimize space digging for gold. Any also wanted to make sure he provided incentives for his workers to do an exemplary job, and he was not keen to keep around people who didn't share his philosophy if there were people that were involved in the business that didn't think like he, did he would rather buy them out than continue to try and work with them. Because again, he wanted to work with people, he trusted to do the job the way he wanted to do it, if he had a he had a partner who didn't really like people. So I would say not super suited for the hospitality industry. India like a Fawlty towers kind of thing. Yeah. So he bought him out, well above price, so that he could put somebody in who he knew had the heart for the business. Yeah. He wasn't. He wasn't about cutting people out of the business more. So he. He was he was trying to make sure he was always doing right by everyone. But keeping the business Burston foremost in his focus. It's a really important balance. An initial be noted that taking the time to build up, your employees is at a hotel in taking the time to incentivize them in that day and age was not was not comment. No. This was definitely an unusual practice. And he also wanted to focus very much on customer needs. So he wanted to make sure let's pay attention to what our clientele wants and provide that to them in our products, and our services, and this was very successful shortly after he leased and renovated to other hotels. And he took his army coworker says buddies, the people, he knew from his time in the service, and he put them in charge of each of those. Because he, he again, he trusted them. He was entrusted them with his life. So he certainly trusted them with this tells. Yeah, he was doing so well that when the next recession hit in nineteen twenty one it didn't bother him. He was still making a profit. Yeah. They were they were still able to keep the hotels running white. Well, he also had a very strong belief that as he was adding hotels, because this would happen throughout the history of, of his work as well. That hotels shouldn't be cookie cutter they should not all be carbon copies of a single hotel plan that every hotel should have its own Beal and our own identity, and that would carry through even as Hilton would grow into a massive company. Well, it makes sense, right? Because at this time he's not building his own hotels. He's buying others and flipping. Yeah. So it makes sense that you that's so much extra work to try. To make them all match. Yeah, yeah, it was it was better to go ahead. And make sure that each hotel kind of had its own personality that the fitted in with the, the region, and the needs of the people who were visiting. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure it had to do with consumer experience as well. But it also just makes practical. Yeah. He also partnered with a guy named D E Soederman and everything went smoothly, and they can say it was the first major hiccup because I think that would be his dad dying kind of the next big stumbling block for him. So he hired this guy. This guy was a keen businessman, but he was also an alcoholic. Yeah. And he couldn't take responsibility for the results of his alcoholism. He started blaming people for stealing money. He started blaming people for his wife's unhappiness to the fact that one of the people he was blaming for these occurrences was Conrad's friend, and he killed him. Soederman killed, Conrad's friend. Yeah. And then and have put to jail with into jail. So you, you might ask yourself. Well, what does Conrad Hilton do? Here's, here's a business partner, who had not only been dealing with alcoholism, but also had murdered somebody, essentially our God to an altercation which ended with the other person's death. Those to jail for it. Conrad Hilton does something truly remarkable something that I don't think very many people would have done it. No. Especially considering the fact that Soederman threatened to come back for Conrad. Again, to Conrad provided solder, men with enough money to move away and start his life somewhere else. Once he was really imprisoned. Yeah. Basically saying. Here you go away. But it's all good. Yeah. My no harm. No foul. No not. Quite quite that. But yeah, it was it was again, considering all the different outcomes that could have followed. It was pretty remarkable. Now we haven't reached the true brink yet, but we're going to get there. And before we dive into some of the dark, tales, we thought we'd take a quick break. This week on ephemeral. I actually found a Tate box that said head cheese in all capital, letters on it, and there's no way. I'm not picking that up. Also, it's on a tape box of a company that I know did not make page after the nineteen fifties. So this is this is an ancient tape and since head cheese on it, and I'm intrigued, what is this going to be? Three. Listen to a federal now on apple podcasts, the iheartradio app, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and learn more at a federal dot show. All right. So we're now in the nineteen twenties, what happens now. Well, he decides that and said flipping hotels, he wants to start building them. All right. So now he's no longer. Nez bull, not only looking at renovating older hotels. He's looking at creating his own structures. Exactly. He would throughout his career continued to acquire pre existing hotels and turning them into his own. But now, he, he wanted hotels that were truly and genuinely his. So he goes to Dallas Texas for this first one, and it is an enormous endeavor to build the hotel. They estimate would cost a million dollars a lot of money today, but a whole lot of money in nineteen twenty. So he had to take his math brain and do a lot of nothing to make all of this work as he math harder than he had ever math before. Because if you look back here he was making money. Yeah. I don't think he was making a million dollars with money. No. So the first thing he did was instead of buying the land to build his hotel. He leased it from the owner of the land, but he leased it for ninety years. Yeah. So then after leasing it, he then secures, two hundred thousand dollars from from various backers investors to help with this and he still needed to raise a whole lot more. So he goes to the Bank, and he gets a loan of five hundred thousand dollars and he does that by leveraging the land, and the future hotel. He's essentially putting up for collateral building the hasn't been built yet. And even then, the Bank would just out now, give him five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, they paid him as each floor got finished you on the hotel, and they had a contingency, if he ran out of money to build this hotel, while the he was in the middle of the loan. They would they would end the loan. Right. So as soon as he ran out of money, he was out of money is going to be a game over in the Bank would get the everything it seems like they were kind of sort of matching him. He also would end up selling his first hotel Mobely in the Mobely goes by, and that would allow them to have another one hundred thousand dollars for this and. Then he really tries to push for this. And, you know, I made the joke a couple of times already about, and then everything went well, right? And then we find out it didn't. Let's I'm just gonna skip the joke. Things did not go as planned now. So it took longer to build this hotel than he expected and typical for any construction job if anyone's ever, the construction, you know, that it's going to take longer than what the quotas and also horror of horrors, four floors before the hotel was finished. He ran out of money again. Yeah. So now you're facing the possibility of the Bank, taking everything, so he starts to borrow more money from whom ever will lend it to him, including his own employees who were handing over small amounts, but they represented life savings or some of these people and it wouldn't be the last time that this would happen either, and we'll get there but. As we said Hilton was really big about building up his employees's. So when times got hard, his employees stuck with him, especially since a lot of them were friends. Yeah. It was so dire though, that he got the guy he was leasing the land from to buy the hotel and finish it. So now the guy that he was leaving his land from owns a hotel and paying to finish it. And then so then Hilton leases, though, tell from the landowner. Yes. So he had set out to build his own hotel, and he ends up leasing hotel anyway. But at least he built it, it was his. Yeah. Kinda around this time he got married had two kids eventually have three kids with his this wife. He had priest sons this was his first wife, which is a bit of. Spoiler. Yes. And you know, things seemed to pay off, he built six more hotels in two years. And then the following year in nineteen twenty nine he now said he was going to build his biggest hotel. L today, and it was going to be amazing, and then the world went into the great depression, which literally wasn't that great now. It was he lousy is a lousy depression, but it was enormous. However, and so the stock market crashes and hits a whole bunch of industries, really hard, the motorcycle industry, but the hospitality business really gets hit hard. It's hard to it's hard to go on vacation. Or go traveling when you are struggling to meet ends day today when you're when you're eating. Bread and, and Pabst cheese have cheese. I remember the name of the loaf. Food substance low for something that eighty percent of hotels, we're going bankrupt or being foreclosed or restructured, which is about the same. And at the time he's still has payments, he estimate right there, fixed payments. He's, he's got to make them he's, he's obligated. And so this is again, where he started to take up collections including among his employees, like they're, this is one of those where you get the real big stories. We're like the Bill boys or handing over five hundred dollars, which represented their entire gas, attendant gave him quarters to help them fill up his tank of gas when his car was almost out of gas because all his money was going into the hotel as well. They were also doing cost cutting measures in the hotels, which must have been heartbreaking for Conrad who who really wanted to optimize these hotels for his consumers. They had to do things like clothes floors. And they were even ganging telephones out of rooms to. Save just a few cents for the day and stuff. Yeah. But he's still would end up having to look for more investment to help cover the costs because even while he was cutting back that still wasn't enough to stave off the potential for bankruptcy. So he goes, he gets some more loans, which put him in at a more than like half a million dollars in debt at this point. And so it's really looking pretty grim. You could really say that this is truly the brink moment where he's, he's sitting there looking at five hundred thousand dollars in debt. It is, so he got his loan from the American life insurance company, ran by wwl. Moody and son. An oil, these guys these guys, they had a reputation for not being the most pleasant people to be in business with at least wwl Moody's son did. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't really care either wwl. Moody's son was a bit of a difficult person if I'm going to be super gentle with the description and and senior good old, daddy was totally in his son's camp. It wasn't necessarily the agreed with his son did. But family's family. And so you have this partnership, and the partnership was the agreement was that they would each have a third of the business. And that's because wwl, moody and son, not only had this life insurance company. They also owned a chain of hotels at work struggling in the depression. Yes. So this is all getting merged together. You've got the Hilton hotel are hotels, and you've got Moody's chain of hotels, all being merged together. And as. Part of the agreement. Conrad had it had it written up where if they were two separate, or whatever reason he would walk away with one third of the business. And so they create this merged company, the national hotel company, and Conrad goes back, and he uses his money to try and essentially make good on all the people who had lent him money to keep the business afloat while it was really in dire straits. I think I think this is fantastic that the first thing he wanted to do was make right by the people who helped him. He paid the course back to the gas attendant. He gave money back to hop answer, the bell hop up for life. Yeah, he would become an executive actually in Hilton hotels. But. The turnout that things did not go so well with with, moody and son, as we, we've already mentioned they were essentially not paying Elton his fair share. They stopped paying the leases on the hotels that they owned like they were falling back on all of their obligations and laying all the burden on Conrad Hilton, and one of the things that I thought was really crabby. Conrad still trying to make these hotels successful that takes change. But it also takes money and, and moody and son, did not want to spend that money they didn't want to invest in the hotels. They wanted some help for the business to succeed without them having to put money in, if Conrad decided something was absolutely needed, and the managers of his hotel pushed not changed through the other two would take it out of that managers paycheck. Yeah, it's so so Conrad says enough is enough. I went out and then instead of them honoring the agreement. The Moody's Suam. Yeah. And he tried to sue back. But since he went to the movies for help, he didn't have as much money to really fight back. He knew it would not be a long fight. Yeah. It turned out that they kind of shot themselves in their foot though, because they defaulted on the lease for the El Paso Hilton. And so, the owner of the Paso Hilton turned around to Conrad Hilton and said, you can have this hotel. I don't want to if you can pay or the amount that is Odin me if you can pay what the Moody's own me, which was thirty thousand dollars. You can have this whole hotel, but unfortunately Conrad is still strapped for cash, and he's kind of maxed out all of his lenders at this time. So he does something really cool. It seems like he pulled a hat trick. Yeah. He got seven small loans from companies. That he could give the hotels business too. So he went to his company said you give me. This small amount of money, and I'll give you my hotels business for life. So a laundry mat and a beer company and things like that. Yes, this is almost like a community kind of, of approach to trying to raise money and it worked, and he was able to get is one hotel, and thankfully, after that he eventually got the third of hotels. He was promised. Yes. But there was one other rough art of his life at this point is first wife left him. And according to one biography on the Hilton family, which, by the way, when you say the word Hilton, you, I'm sure everyone out there is thinking about all the different Hilton's have Peres. Yeah. Nicky Hilton, and that sort of stuff, the Hilton families no stranger to controversy and gossip etcetera. But according to one of the biographies on the Hilton family gets a little a sivy. Oh, I don't know how trustworthy it is his wife left him for a football coach with whom she had already been having an affair and that this very deeply hurt. Conrad hilton. And so, at this point, you know, he's got the one hotel, and he's starting to see some financial success, but it's personal life. 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And find out what it means for our future, with the people who are building it every week will bring you mind blowing accounts of AI in daily life from algorithms in American courtrooms to a UFO that came out of the sky in northern Mexico like and subscribe to sleep Bucker on apple podcasts, the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Alright. So Conrad Hilton has started to rebound. He's got the hotels that he was promised from his previous agreement. What happens next? Well, then he starts capitalizing on the fact that the hotel industry, got hit so hard and he starts buying up a bunch of the other hotels that struggled in the great depression like when he talked about eighty percent had gone out of business or were in bankruptcy. So this is nineteen thirty seven the great depressions, not quite over yet. It would end in nineteen thirty nine and he had his eye on this one particular hotel, the Stevens in Chicago. He he really wanted that hotel. It was the biggest hotel in the world heaving out a personal tour of it, and it wasn't for sale at the time. Yeah, but he, he was like one day, one day that will be mine. And so he made plans for that one day when it would be for sale. He started buying bonds because the bonds for this place I really cheap because shine and he had friends do. The same so that if it ever went on sale, he would be the majority bondholder and have a much easier time buying it. Yeah. Interesting. You know, I actually stayed across the street from another hotel that he flipped during this time the Francis Drake, which is in San Francisco. I literally stayed across the street from that hotel. And so when we were doing a research for this, I thas like Why's that name sell familiar. Oh, right. That's what I saw every time I stepped outside of my hotel. That was actually just like a month ago when we were recording this nice but then he starts to now. He's seeing some success. He's starting to get some traction here, the great depression is ending. He starts to expand beyond the United States. He starts opening up hotels or leasing L hotels in other countries. Yes, in the nineteen forties. In fact, Hilton started the first international hotel chain. So then nineteen forty two something else happens to his beloved Stevens. He had. Military uses it for housing because World War Two yeah. The made four hundred thousand dollars out of the deal and later in the forties. He got the Stephen corporation, even though the military still had the actual building. Now, nineteen forty two here's where we're going to give our trigger warning for something really unpleasant. I would I would recommend skipping ahead by a couple of minutes. If you are sensitive to really disturbing details because this is one of those stories, it's not it's not fully supported, and it's contested by a lot of people. But I feel like we need to mention it. So nineteen forty to Konrad, Mary's a second wife and his second wife is Josh Gabor. Right. The famous well, not really. You can't really call her an actress or a singer. She did some of both. But she was really famous for being part of the sisters and soja Gabor gets married. It would be her second hug. Even and his second wife and for most of the reports I read their marriage was not a happy one because Conrad didn't like the way that Joshua really wanted to indulge in the luxuries of life and Joshua felt that Conrad was trying to control her. There was some reports that said Conrad called her Georgia, because he had problems saying Joschka, and then Joshua said, no, he was forcing me to change my name to Georgia, Al, and these conflicting stories really culminate with the birth of their daughter Francesca Hilton. Because in an autobiography Shasha Gabor would allege that Francesca Hilton was the product of marital, rape. Which is obviously if true truly horrifying. Right. There's it, it, it's so in contrast with everything else, we know about Conrad Hilton, that's. It's hard to believe, but at the same time, you don't want to dismiss someone right now, Joshua road that autobiography decades after Conrad Hilton had passed away, and there were others at the time who are even questioning wrench, husker's parentage, who had suggested that maybe that, that George Sanders, who would turn out end up later being, Josh Gabor, third husband might have been the father, and there was even one incredibly salacious report. I read that suggested Conrad junior. Conrad Hilton's son was the father. Yeah. So very disturbing and Francesca, Hilton's story is a truly tragic one as well. She grew up in luxury, but that did not last her whole life. She was not a, you know, a Hilton that was living the high life and she died at the age of sixty seven she was essentially penniless living out of her car. She had she had done some acting. And she had worked some for the Hilton hotel. Group Hilton foundation, but she wasn't left much. She was she predeceased Zsa Gabor by about two years. But at that time, Schaja Gabor had dementia and was probably unaware that her daughter had passed away. So very tragic, story, it, it makes you think how many because when you're talking about a person associated with the company as opposed to just company it feels like there's a lot more opinion, but into there. And so it makes you wonder how many of these kids up to this point, it's been a fairly flawless record for Conrad. Hilton how much is opinion or how much is. Public appearance. Right. Or, you know, it's, it's really difficult to say, so we don't want to dismiss the charge. Right. That's certainly not what we want to do. It is hard to reconcile when we look at the rest of the story, but it could very well be that the rest of Conrad Hilton's story has been whitewashed a bit. And maybe to to really elevate him beyond. I mean he he was a human being like everybody. Yeah. So perhaps he was a human being capable of doing that. It is impossible for us to say. But it certainly is something that we wanted to, to mention because it wouldn't be fair to give some sort of glowing review of this man. And then yeah. Skip over this detail. Exactly. Now, he also did some very good stuff in nineteen forty four he started philanthropic trust. Yep. It Conrad Hilton foundation and it became a legal nonprofit in nineteen fifty separate from Hilton. Yeon hotel group, and the foundation still exists and at a wards prizes organizations who strive to end world suffering, so small grants to bunch of companies who are really trying to make the world, a better place. It also supports efforts to help the blind the homeless and improve education. Conrad Hilton was big on children's education and children's safety is his second son, Barron. Hilton joined the foundation in nineteen fifty. He would be the chairman of the board from twenty ten to two thousand twelve his first son. Conrad junior would go on to marry Elizabeth Taylor. And then he has to weigh in nineteen sixty nine so as I son has to weigh, much earlier than an as others so well dako- back to the hotel business. Yes, that's what we're here for. We're here for in nineteen forty six Healton, consolidate all of his properties into the Hilton hotels corporation, and this is really. Smart on his part, again, he was using his math brain because it reduced Hilton's aggregate debt by twenty seven percent. And it raised the original investors holdings in the company, two hundred seventy five percent because he listed the hotel on the new York Stock Exchange. It was the first hotel to be publicly traded in nineteen forty eight he created Hilton International is a subsidiary company to the main company, and he tried to make sure that whenever he was building in another country that he was sourcing things locally, right? He wasn't bringing stuff from outside. He wanted to support the local economy so building supplies furnishings, even people who train to staff. He had a motto world peace, international trade and travel. He acquired the management rights to New York's Waldorf Astoria in nineteen forty nine that was another one that he had looked at and thought Sunday ill they mine. I he's the same bond trick that he had used on the Stevens. Now, his investors didn't think this was a smart by, and I think eventually Hilton hotels, sold the wall. Or they also did a major renovation as well. Yeah, it was it was considered to be past its prime the great depression. It hit the Waldorf Astoria pretty hard. Yes. And after that he finally got his Stevens house, and the popular Palmer house. And I say popular because it actually was making some money, and this was not as smooth transaction. No, he he went to buy the Stevens house. The Stephen seller kept up the price, which is not maybe the best business decision on Conrad's part to keep agreeing to these upper prices, and you go to buy it, and the seller would disappear and things like that. And so he said, okay, I'm gonna by the Palmer house. Instead, they're being a lot more upfront about things, and then the Stevens seller came back, and there is some conflict of interest and issues, but he eventually got both. He then buys a home in Bel Air for two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars that land appreciated in value. Value. Yes exponentially. It's worth over two hundred million dollars right now. He acquired the statler hotels in nineteen fifty. Or also, if you're a Muppets fan, you're probably hearing things like statler and Waldorf. Yes. That's where their names come from. Interesting fact, acquiring the statler hotels was the largest retail transaction in the world. At that time, it was a one hundred and eleven million dollar purchase and keeps on growing. Conrad ends up taking public speaking engagements, which was something that he had enjoyed doing back when he was working in the New Mexico government. And he also starts to kind of create standards for hotel rooms that you see all around the world today, things like making sure that every single room has an air conditioning system of up to it. Yeah. And creating a central hotel reservation system where you can book a room from multiple hotels in one place. Yeah. He then hands over the company in nineteen sixty two his son, Barron. The second of his sons and Conrad would stay on as chairman of the board. I'm really hoping he didn't pull agus. He didn't pull a Gus. Yeah. So in sixty four Hilton International becomes its own company, they spin off Hilton International. It's no longer subsidiary. It's its own separate entity and then it gets real complicated. It's traded around by airlines and foreign governments being reunited had it for a while for about forty years at did this. Yeah. So further complicating matters is that there was this conflict going on between the US branch of Hilton. And then Hilton International, I shouldn't say, US branch, the US Hilton company, and then Hilton International which were two separate companies, Dan complication was that. The Hilton International company could own hotels in the United States, but they were not allowed to call them Hilton hotels, because the US Elton company had the exclusive right within the United States to use that name. Likewise, the US company of Hilton was not allowed to call any hotels owned internationally Hilton hotels. So the Hilton International hotels in America, were vista hotels and the Hilton US hotels overseas were called. Conrad hotels. Bun, the Vinci? They were able to get their act together and workout in agreement, do smooth that out. But yeah, that just makes it even more complicated. Now in nineteen seventy nine Conrad Hilton passed away, the ripe old age of ninety one and he left almost all of his estate to his foundation. He give some reports say about one hundred thousand two hundred chaska. Yeah. So he had planned on doing this on leaving the vast majority of his estate to the foundation, and he had said that he didn't really want to have his children just inherited a huge amount of money of that. They should also earn their their money just as he had done. I personally think that particular thing of, of wanting your kids to earn money is pretty cool. Yeah. Beran however, kind of did it some maneuvers that ended up making him an extremely rich man. A billionaire. So Barron was able to kind of rest, a larger piece than perhaps what was intended for him based on Conrad's wishes, the and it made him a extremely rich man. However, Barron, intern in two thousand seven said he was going to, to dedicate ninety seven percent of his own estate to go to the foundation and kind of follow in his father's footsteps in that sense. I want to mention here because this is something that just speaks to my humanitarian heart that the goal of the foundation was to foster peace through the Power International travel, and he left guidance for the foundation to alleviate human suffering around the world without regard to race religion or country and throughout his speaking engagements and his personal endeavors through life. There are accounts of him really standing up to that belief that it didn't matter, what you're even though he was devoutly Catholic. It didn't matter your religion. It didn't Ramona your release. Country. Everybody deserve to be able to live in peace. Yes. Yeah. So the foundation has given out more than one and a half billion dollars in grants. So it has certainly been active in that role to that, that is something that's truly admirable. Now Hilton's had a lot of other break moments where we're getting to the end and we're going to skip some of those future. Bring mum well past us, but future from the time, we're ending this story because we want to keep that in case we won't ever want to revisit Hilton, and kind of talk about these other moments like when Hilton got acquired by the Blackstone group in two thousand seven but we'll talk about that in another episode we probably won't talk about the exploits of the extended Hilton family, and how they landed in tabloids time, and time again, that seems like that is bit for a different type of podcast. Yes. Yes, but we thought this was particularly an. An interesting topic we wanna thank DJ again for suggesting at and there's so many different things that we could have mentioned. In fact, I've looked scrolling right now through our different of facts, and there are ton of them, but I feel like we've been going on for a good while. So I think we can conclude this and just say that they'll Conrad Hilton was truly a two nations businessman, you know, someone who did not give up at all. I was going to give up easily, but he never really gave up, which is pretty phenomenal. Considering the odds that he was facing time and time again and his career according to most reports he did it, honestly. And he did it upstanding. Yeah. So that's at work. Yes, I think I think we can make it one. So thank you again, DJ, if you guys have any suggestions for things that we should cover in future episodes of the brink you can reach out to us. How do they do that Ariel? Well, they can Email us at feedback at the brink podcast dot show. 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Andrew Yang on his place in the Democratic Party

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Andrew Yang on his place in the Democratic Party

"Tonight on all in with Eddie Gallagher. You know that story very well they want to take away and I said No. You're not gonNA take it away. He was a great fighter disturbing bring testimony from Navy seals about their platoon chief. who was pardoned by the president and hosted at Mar-a-lago? Here's the One of the ultimate fighters winters tough guy the durant l. g. seven sham revealed they went to places all over the country and they came back and they said this is where would like to be. Now we had military rotate people doing it. We had secret service people doing documents that show what the secret service actually thought about. Trump's hotel site regardless of the spent Durrell barral was by far and away foreign away the best physical facility a for this meeting and with just over a month until Iwa my special guest tonight. Twenty Twenty candidate Andrew Yang when all in starts right now good evening from New York. I'm Chris as we have have shocking. New footage of what the men in the unit of an accused were criminal thought about him. Previously unreleased footage obtained by The New York Times of Navy feels describing actions by their platoon leader. Man By the name of Eddie Gallagher. Gallagher has become a figure at the center of an enormous moral scandal in the trump administration. Shen perhaps one of its worst. Over the summer in Military Court acquitted gallagher of most of the war crimes charges. He'd been charged with but he was found guilty of one lesser charge for posing for a picture with a man's corpse and that resulted in him being demoted. The military began the formal process of stripping his seal status but then Donald Trump against against the wishes of top military leaders intervened restoring its rank ordering the navy to keep him in the seals. Now it's worth noting that donald trump campaigned on a pro war crime platform in two thousand. Sixteen would I approve. Water-pouring you bet your ass side approval that in a heartbeat heartbeat and I would approve more than that. And don't kid yourself folks it works. He took fifty bullets. And they dip them in pigs. Blood and Eddie had his men load his rifles and he lined up the fifty people and they shot forty nine of those people. And and the fiftieth person he said you go back to your people and you tell them what happened and for twenty five years there. It wasn't a problem okay. Now we're talking about waterboarding. I said it's fine and if we want to go stronger I'd go stronger to given that it's perhaps not surprising that Eddie Gallagher would become a kind of caused celeb- for Donald Trump and his orders and the president has reportedly told allies. He wants to bring Eddie Gallagher out on the campaign. AM Patriot with input. Fact get this just this past week in the President and First Lady Hosted Gallagher and his wife at mar-a-lago yours at dinner with Eric. Trump and Rudy Giuliani. Here's the thing Eddie. Gallery retired special operations chief seal team seven the guy you saw posing with the president son and his personal lawyer. He was accused of some very very serious war crimes in Iraq. Two thousand seventeen was accused of the attempted murder of unarmed civilians including old man and a schoolgirl. He was accused of stabbing thing an isis captive multiple times. He was convicted of posing for a picture with that dead. Man's corpse of Gallagher denies all the charges today New York Times published. Lift a trove of interviews. which have never been shown publicly before statements made from any gallagher's fellow seal team members to investigators speaking out about what they saw? Aw Some quotes. The Guy is freaking evil. The Guy was toxic. You could tell he was perfectly okay with killing anybody. That was moving the The Times. Also obtained video recordings of the interviews of seals describing the scene when Eddie Gallagher approached nicest captive that he was accused of stabbing a a warning. The first image may be disturbing gallagher comes on the scene with his medical bag and push the kid down on the ground while each checks him for wounded. And then you can see a hand reach up and turn off Helmet Cam. What did you access in also start stabbing the dude? I see any thing overall the knife to say anything did this or did you just implied knife. I'm just starts to pull that knife. Serves how close equal. You are me by her her one time. We'll times probably two or three times. NBC News did not reach out to the individual seals comment on that video obtained by The New York Times but the New York Times says they did. Yeah reach out every one of them and they all declined comment. Eddie Gallagher defense lawyer said the video interviews were right with inconsistencies and falsehoods and that those inconsistencies created needed a clear roadmap to the acquittal. His lawyer told all in the New York Times failed to give context the videos that the supposed eye witnesses actually at inconsistent stories the seal team members. who were the witnesses? Didn't like gallagher because he was too hard on them. There's a lack of corroborating evidence. One of the reasons that Eddie Gallagher was acquitted of murder. How had to do with a remarkable moment during his trial? Okay we're the prosecution's star witness special operator First Class Cory Scott Medic who said he saw gallagher stab the Nice of captive multiple times changed his story on the stand he said the gallagher stab the captive wants he. correy's got killed the captive by suffocation. No one was prepared for that. It was a shock to everyone in the room at least for the prosecutors because that witness was testifying under immunity that it'd be granted he could not be charged. The killing and had Gowda was acquitted of the charges of murder of that captive also put it attempted murder civilians. These convicted of posing with a corpse that did captive. We still do not know the story of what led to this medic to change his tune on the sand and basically admit to killing the captain. But we do know that after the trial the Pentagon basically wanted to kick Eddie Gallagher out of the seals and president trump intervened and he ordered them to reinstate gallagher's rank and that led to to the very public resignation of the secretary of the navy. Who so disagreed? With the president's handling of the case he quit and trump clearly thinks his embrace ace of Eddie Gallagher as a way to ingratiate himself with active duty members of the military and their families but there are a lot of people inside the armed forces were furious about this fact recent polling calling for the military time shows half of active duty troops view. The president unfavorably joining me. Now Leo Shane. He's a deputy editor the military times. Which of course has been covering the story along with many other issues? Andrew Dyer who covers the military for the San Diego Union Tribune. He was actually in the courtroom for full nation. Eddie Gallagher's trial Andrew. Let me just start with you. Maybe about that moment I mean so much happens in the moment in which the the star witness the prosecution comes in and changes his story on the stand. What what was that moment? Like in the courtroom baucus it was really surreal. Going into the trial. We had a pretty good idea of what each witness was. I was going to say Um it was in serious records. We kind of knew their stories and when he said that he suffocated the fighter rider. That was something new something we hadn't heard before and you know a kind of washed over the courtroom in a wave I almost I Had to replay my mind like did I just hear what I just heard in. Yeah do we know the full story. Follow up I'll come to you in a second Leo but do we actually know the full story toward what happened there like what. Why testimony changed? Well I talked to a gallagher's lawyer Tim pro-tory yesterday and he said that in a preliminary canary interview with Corey Scott. He had gone up to the edge of this inquiry. Scott it said something about a suffocation and Scott's attorney cut Parlor Tori off saying that they were going to go any further without clarifying an immunity deal and in the trial before this section of testimony. MODY The judge told Corey Scott that he was fully immune from whatever he was about to say on the stand Leo. This case is obviously attracted enormous attention. I wonder what from your perspective at the Military Times what how it is reverberated through Kern active duty members. Yeah it's definitely the Concerning case for a lot of folks because it seems as if trump has has wade into an area where we haven't traditionally seen presidents. Obviously the president has the power to to pardon Gardner Greenwich Clemency. But in this case as you as you recapped chief gallagher was acquitted of the most serious charges was was found to be guilty of conduct conduct unbecoming and Navy thought they were dealing with it internally and the president stepped in and said now we should. We should forget that we should look look beside that. He's done eight deployments. There's a a lot of good and his background so I'm going to intervene. Not just on on the issue of the crime here but all the way down to the issue of his rank whether or not he'd be reinstated as a seal whether they're not he could call himself a chief anymore so You know the the reverberations are just a lot of shock as to the commander in chief coming down this as far on on a case. That's already really complicated and really convoluted Andrew. How does the picture painted of Gallagher in the newly unearthed FOOTAGE FROM THE NEW YORK. Times how does that sort of fit or not fit with the image painted of him at trial. Well it does square with their testimony testimony In most cases these seals testified to the same things that they had told investigators. It's a I think it's important to note that the two of these seals that were in these preliminary interviews Were not called to testify. Gallagher's court-martial including one Pity officer Ivan Villanueva who initially told investigators he saw gallagher stab the fighter yet. After Scott after Scott's testimony for whatever reason the prosecutors decided not to call Villanueva which has always stood out to me and to this day neither the prosecutors nor the navy the have offered any explanation. Why a witness to this alleged stabbing did not testify part of the part of the sort of question here? Leo and I think the the difficulty of this memorial perspective perspective is the president. Says he's looking out for our quote warfighters but of course there were members of his own unit that were destroyed by the actions that they took tremendous risks has to come forward to testify to talk to investigators and they have essentially been thrown by the wayside and that that becomes the question here obviously. He's he's throwing himself in in Gallagher's corner honor and said that he's standing up for warfighters by standing with him. But as we saw from the released today you know. A lot of the public had heard that some of the heels didn't like him I don't know what the effect effect will be of seeing just just in in black and white here just how emotional some of their testimony is and how many folks are sort of left in the wake of this now you you know if if you're a member of the military and you're seeing this and you see something improper down mange what's your reaction going to be. Should you report this to your higher ups and it's something that you feel confident at that. The military code of Justice is going to be well held and going to be followed or is it something where down the line. Maybe it can be reversed and you get into trouble furbishing whistleblower. Now that is a great point about what incentives have been set up by this one action Not just one action. There's other parts of president has issued as well. Leo Shane Andrew Dire. Thank you gentlemen down in both. Thank you joining me now. John smoltz former. US Army officer in Iraq war veteran the CO founder and former chairman of the vote vets advocacy group. John and I know you feel strongly about this case. I've I've watched some of the things you said. How do you feel about what has happened? What we learned today from that testimony and what the president's involvement here means? I think the first thing I took today from the testimony came out of the New York Times. You Watch these veterans talk. You could could feel the pain in their voices and I. I think we could talk about a lot today. We talk about the ramifications of what this means for the United States and foreign countries we could talk about the ramifications of what this means for for our troops currently on the ground in combat. We talk about what this means for future troops who you know maybe have seen something wrong. They should turn in but the pain that you hear in. The voices of the seals feels as they go to explain what happened to them is heartbreaking because what they were really in my. What I felt was that they were trying to relieve some of their own guilt of of being around an incident or being around a chief who is their senior noncommissioned officer in this deployment do things illegal and that this really was a cry for help for for them to go to? NCIS and it's really hard for me to watch them deal with that pain. There's also a broader question here about the way the president conceives of of What US policy should be about the commission of war crimes about torture He talked and the campaign about killing the family members of quote for terrorists. He told that Apocryphal story about a US general dipping bullets in pigs blood. He's he seems to relish in the kinds of things is that an entire structure has been erected within the US armed forces over decades to prevent from happening he. He's basically telling the navy. I don't trust you to to manage your own business and we've never seen anything like this. We've never seen a scenario where the military chain of command the military justice system basically has it's checkmated by the commander in chief so you can basically do anything wrong right now in any of the service branches and if you can get you know Pete Hegseth Ooh Fox News host to promote you on a president or a show the president watches it can certainly undermine the entire military chain of command so he's damage the military's damage military leaders military officers for what is essentially political drama that he wants to use for his own political benefit and he's damaged institute institute just like he's damaged other institutions through his dealings during the impeachment. He's damaged the the institution of the Armed Forces which was still a respected institution. And I think that's really heartbreaking for everybody who's WHO's in the military who has served in it you know this this Calls to mind this polling that the military times did recently which was really striking. You may very unfavorable views. This think about active duty members forty five percent very favourable just twenty four percent John Overall underwater in favorability within the US military surprise you. It doesn't surprise me. The president on his on an elevator going down. I mean there was a reason we have a website. Called trump is a national security threat. He disrespect a gold star family. Right con he has decided that he's going to pay for the border wall by taking money out of the Department of Defense School system just this weekend over Christmas. He decided he would depart to deport. Family members of active duty military deployed deployed. So it's you know pardoning war criminals is par for the course with his war on the military and so it doesn't surprise me that you see his poll numbers inside the military going. I mean from where they were down and I will remind you. That's a military times poll so that's a more conservative reader base to start so you know. This is a long-term arm because it's been thing after thing after thing that's taken us to the point where I I think you know. For the first time we could see the military voter in the veteran voter really turn against the Republican president. Last question for you has to do with with the implications of what the president has done in this case and a few other cases reaching in to the the military justice system What that will mean for someone in a unit who sees something they think is wrong or witnesses what is genuinely an atrocity or maybe as something that just seems sort of off and what's going to go through their mind when they think about whether to report that it's really hard what they did? The seal community is very close community. There is a case in Bamako. Mali 2017 where a seal was involved with a murder of a green beret. And this had to do with the telling of misconduct conduct and so we have a scenario in the special operations community. That's a little bit different where people fear now. Hey if I break this code. What are the ramifications across the military As well so. I think now when people see misconduct that should be reported that they know that that's their duty and obligation. There's going to be a fear going forward on whether or not they should report it at all. Aw One thing is for certain into the seals that that we met today on that video they are heroes and they can rest assured tonight that the American public knows that and that the American public in ten or twenty and thirty years. We'll we'll look at them in even better late then than they do today. All right John. Thank you so much making time tonight. Thanks a lot crist I up next. The president wants to get moving. The goal posts is impeachment. Trial approaches. Senator Richard Blumenthal joins me on that in just two minutes. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. I get together with Emmy and Tony winning actor John Lithgow to talk about his prolific career from the stages of Broadway to Daddy's home two and everything in between get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts. 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New episodes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. From the very first moment the house announcing impeachment inquiry president trump trump and his allies have been making a series of self-contradictory internally inconsistent constantly evolving process. Critiques it has now reached a new level of it's insanity with the president tweeted critique. He saw trump TV that it is the houses job to get witnesses. Look the house is supposed to do all this work on witnesses and documents documents before the end the articles over the Senate not to call a new witness because go through new documents. That work is supposed to be done the house. Here's the thing the house tried to do that. Ah The reason they were not able to get those witnesses to testify is because they tried to end. The White House ordered them not to testify but that's Donald Trump's translators argument because we stopped those folks from testifying the house. They can't testify in the Senate houses. Job Just absurd on. Its face joining me now to try and make sense of of all this Senator Richard Blumenthal Democratic Connecticut. He sits on the Judiciary Committee among other committees as well senator I I think you agree. These processor sir. Critiques are are absurd but I I'm curious what you make of Comments yesterday or Tuesday by your colleague. Lisa Murkowski expressing some Disapproval of McConnell's statement that he would essentially be working coordination with the White House. I think Chris what those was. Comments reflect is that it is impossible to make sense of this position that they need more information and evidence but they don't want wanted to be presented in the Senate. That position is essentially untenable. What is striking Lisa? Murkowski's comments reflect. Is that the message is really breaking through to the American people. That's why seventy percent of them think that witnesses and documents should be presented in this trial. That's why this comment by Lisa. Murkowski that the McConnell strategy of in effect coordinating with the White Eight House or working hand in glove is essentially a violation of the oath. And that's repugnant. That the American people so more and more I think we will see you. The American people get it and that this cover up by McConnell and trump is understood by them that my republican colleagues are complicit in it and they will be held accountable in the Court of Appeals. It won't be a legal court of Appeals. It will be the court of public opinion eventually in the election and by history history. Do you anticipate that. We're going to get some resolution. There was talked reports today that whatever talks there had been between Shumer McConnell on setting some ground rules which by the way in the last impeachment trial where we're adopted by unanimous consent. We're no sort of individual votes on that they had broken down. What is your sense of the state of play right now? The ball is really an Mitch. McConnell's court we have made a very reasonable proposal for witnesses who have direct knowledge again. Direct knowledge not hearsay. I say of the events that show conclusively trump's abuse of power and is obstruction of Congress and documents such as no two phone calls send emails and other kinds of messages. That again are direct evidence that the American people deserve to see and hear so i. I fully understand the speaker's position that she wants a full fare preceding before she will send over the articles of impeachment impeachment. She wants that assurance before Chea points or managers and I think that's what the American people want to. And I think that Mitch McConnell eventually will be forced by these cracks in his. Implacable Wall is reflected in Lisa Murkowski's comments and by other colleagues who are saying it privately. Question is will they say publicly. Will they act on it when I ask you a question about the story. We just did With Chief Gallagher and the the press the United States reaching in to restore his rank to overturn and circumvent the the military justice system. What are the implications of that? What what do you think that does to our armed forces? The implications are really deeply disturbing. The reports are absolutely repugnant and we'll be regarded as such by our military because in no way does it reflect their integrity discipline or values and president trump's interference in the military justice systems absolutely reprehensible and outrageously roads trust in the command structure and the uniform code of Military Justice and now our obligations members of the United States Senate. I hope what my colleagues will join me in condemning that interference by the president but also in reaffirming our commitment to strict prosecution of war crimes. Respect as well for the military professionals who have to administer this system of justice and for our military in general all too often as that poll that you cited reflects our military really has been disregarded and disrespected by the president as when he withdrew who who's from Turkey when he sent troops to the border in effect. Politicizing are great United States military and I think the implications therefore really are very very very disturbing all right Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut. Thank you very much. Thank you going up. The president's rationale for putting the g seven and his own resort debunked longtime black and white. That's next it became apparent at the end of that process That Durrell was by. I foreign away far and away the best physical facility for this meeting in fact I was talking to one of teams when they came back and I said what was the like and it's not going to believe leaving but it's almost like they built this facility to host this type of event. I love that piece of tape. Remember when acting White House Chief of staff what out there and we totally straight phase tried to convince everyone that president was forced to award himself a multimillion dollar government contract to host the D. Seven and have a bunch of world leaders. Come to south Florida in the middle of the summer because no the place was as good as drought. The president tried to make the case that the secret service preferred route route. They went to places all over the country and they came back and they said this is where we are now. We had military people. Doing we had secret service people doing. We had people that really understand what it's about. It's not about me. It's about getting the right location. Well folks citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington formally only requested government records on the Durrell election. And you'll never guess whether that story holds up here with me now and no bookbinder the executive director of crew. No what did you ask four. And what did you get look. We asked for what the Secret Service had the documents. That showed their internal deliberations when they were considering excites and Lo and behold what we found was far from what Mick Mulvaney and the president reported. which is that out of the secret? Secret services process came to rally as the clear choice. Instead Durrell was added into the process very late in the game it was was added from the outside and the secret service had concerns about it So it certainly was not that they came in and and begged for this This is something that we only got Really One One email and we know there's likely more out there but this was enough to show. Clearly the president's version is made up and this is something that clearly benefits his businesses and him. Personally one of the most striking things about this at the time and I I'm still sort of not over it because because of how brazen it was and how obviously erupted is to award yourself a multi-million dollar government contract was at the time the mayor of Durrell didn't even know the dared Barron Hilton Alta. Just talked to the mayor. Durell now needs to plan to host eight world leaders and thousands of diplomats. He learned this when we did by watching TV. He still hasn't gotten a call from the White House. I mean that itself sort of shows you something. Well that's right well. We also requested documents of communications between the Secret Service and the Police Department in drought and we got nothing. Well we we got a lot of documents but nothing showing that there was any communication about about the G. Seven. We can't conclusively basically say that there was nothing but certainly based on what we have. It doesn't look like The city was ever given the heads up about this. This was hardly a thorough process that lead inexorably to the president's Club. Rather what it looks like is the president wanting to bring this multimillion dollar world world event. That would be incredible publicity for his business To his property and using the levers of government to make it so it also strikes me that when I was reading The the email that you guys unearthed and and and the foia requests you have is just how much because the trump organization is a private that business despite the fact that is owned by the president and his entire financial fortune rests upon it. That we don't have a window into that. There are foyer the rules and there are public records access that you can get but we just don't get anything about the trump work that's right. The freedom of Information Act. Let's get government documents now. This administration fights us and fights reporters and others tooth and nail to make it hard to get those but we do ultimately get a lot of information about what's going on within the government With the trump organization doesn't have to turn over documents and Congress and we have in litigation and many others have. I've been fighting to get information about the president's finances from day one with very little success and we really have very little idea of the scope of of his use of the presidency and abuse of the presidency to benefit his businesses. This remains the sort of great untold story and something that has been told sporadically at the edges by Arnhold and others. But we can't really get appearing to wooden supreme court's GonNa rule on some cases Pertaining to financial records subpoenas coming hang up Noah bookbinder. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me coming up the race to replace President Trump Twenty twenty candidate Andrew. Yang joins me ahead. Hey Everyone Steve Kornacki here i WanNa tell you about an NBC news podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment of president trump. I talked to NBC News reporters who are closest to the story to break down. What's new what matters? And what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country new episodes drop every Monday Wednesday and Friday. Search now wherever you're listening to this podcast subscribe for free for years now. President trump has used the city of Chicago an incredible vibrant meaning city and the tragedy of hundreds of people who've been killed there by gun violence as a gross and racist inflammatory political. Talking Point. He'll make the rise in shootings in Chicago. which really did go up quite sharply a number one story across the country? We did a town hall on violence in Chicago. Back in twenty seventeen fact on that panel. There's the current Mayor Lori lightfoot who was not the mayor then we did extended reporting on policing in Chicago goes well through the years. Donald trump and largely the national news media have been silent on the second half of this story according to newly released data from Chicago. Police Department and shooting incidents are down forty percent over the past three years. Murders are down fourteen percent just this year and thirty six percent over the past three years now with progress like this one can easily imagine a world in which Donald Trump having smear Chicago for years and having absolutely no shame turns around and takes credit for the improvement. But he won't do that because he fundamentally does not think Chicago is part of the country that he represents it's a foreign land to him. It's not trump land. That's as far more about Donald. Trump does about Chicago or the past year or so. There have been at least twenty eight candidates in the race for the Democratic Democrat president from including a bunch of very prominent people. Very serious BIOS. Who've just come and gone? People like Senator Comma Harris who entered the race is on the front runners but dropped out earlier earlier this month or the current Mayor Mayor of the largest city in America New York City's build a blase whose presidential candidacy barely registered as a blip amid all the comings and goings goings our been to genuine surprise stories. One is the rise of Buddha judge. The mayor of a city of about one hundred thousand people who won his last election we just over eighty five hundred votes. He's now polling in the top four nationally highly competitive in the first two states and the other is Andrew Gang who very few people had heard of before he decided to run for president. The forty four year old entrepreneur entrepreneur has built basically completely from scratch out of nothing. Erode bus campaign operation attracted a genuinely enthusiastic basis. Support has raised lots of money and it is all allowed him to outlast and outpolled numerous sitting governors and senators and has repeatedly propelled him onto the debates. Dave even as many of his bigger bigger-name rivals have failed to make the cut. It's really pretty remarkable story and joining me now. Is Andrew Yang Democratic candidate for president. It's good to have you Chris Great to see you happy holidays. Thank you for having me on. Okay so I wanNA talk about healthcare. The first this has been obviously the subject of a lot of debate. You've talked talked about the debates you've talked to on the campaign trail but I'm slightly confused about your position. The first ad that your campaign ran was with your wife and talk about your son and she he says that you would fight for Medicare for all. It's been sort of a part of the platform along with the freedom dividend which we'll talk about you recently. Put out a healthcare. Some language would your website where you say you support the spirit of Medicare for all which leads me slightly confused about what actually pro grammatically would want to see happen. Well what Medicare for all means too. Many Americans is universal healthcare. That's high quality and lower zero cost and that is exactly what I'm championing. We need to provide health care to all Americans but I would not get rid of all private insurance plans immediately because millions of Americans are on those plans enjoy those plans in many cases negotiated for those plans. In lieu of higher wages. The goal of the government has to be demonstrate that we can out compete the private insurance plans and squeeze them out of the market over time so so is that something along. The lines of positions taken by Joe Biden indigestion. A few others in which there would be essentially the availability of buying into Medicare for poor people. Yes it is quite similar but our plan. Dan has lower minimal cost for many Americans and then co pays just so that you have a little bit skin in the game so it is similar but we think that we've improved improved upon some of the other proposals. That are out there the other big the other big issue that you've talked about and I think there's been some kind of engines of your campaign for while. I think it was the thing that you are known on for his Some version of universal basic income. You call it a dividend of one thousand dollars a month. There's a lot of people who are two two questions about that one. This is sort of confused about how that interact with other things. The government does the earned income tax credit or other benefits for instance. Like would those go away and be replaced by that leaving someone worse off and second second of all the question of you know for people that are in dire poverty or really have problems with with with low income work. That's not enough money. Also the last thing I would ever do is take something away from Americans or leave someone worse off the freedom dividend is universal. And opt in. And if you decide to opt in you would be foregoing certain cash cash like benefits that do not include healthcare. Do not include housing vouchers. When I talked to Americans around the country those who are receiving government German benefits often are very anxious about losing those benefits? I love the earned income tax credit but thirty percent of Americans were eligible for the earned income tax credit. I don't actually receive it because they don't understand how to file for and there are massive timing of payments issues. Because if your car breaks down now and I tell you you're going to get a tax refund next spring. It doesn't help you get to work so I would never do anything to leave. Americans worse off. We have to build a foundation or floor that elevates elevates us all and starts to move forward in the twenty first century because we're going through the greatest economic transformation in our country's history right now. Let's talk about that. You talk about the threat of autumn automation and I think you connect that in some ways and there's a lot of people I think who who similar school of thoughts and people written about you be I another contacts ex. That automation is going to take away a lot of people's jobs in the future. It's going to get progressively more ambitious. What jobs are automated either? The counter to that and Paul Krugman wrote this up and other people said it is that that threat has always loomed at every moment of industrial development. And there's something called a lump of labour fallacy. Right the idea that there's a set number of jobs in the robots or the machines or the factory machines. Take some of them. There's less for everyone else which has not borne out to be the case. Why do you think it's different this time well? The pace of change in the scope of technology is much much more extreme. This time it's going to impact many more parts of the economy. You then pass transitions. I'm here in South Carolina and they lost ninety thousand manufacturing jobs now a third of their stores in malls or closing and being a retail clerk. Mark is still the most common job in our country so we have to recognize that. Yes they're going to be many new jobs that get created but these jobs are going to tend tend to be four different people with different skills in smaller numbers than the jobs that are being lost in communities around the country. But isn't that partly just a question of like Labor bargaining power and also a little bit of redistribution right. I mean like there was no reason that for instance making a car was a good middle class job until the UAW nuys and basically made it a good middle class jobs. It seems like there's lots of jobs that might get created in the question about how much power workers have over their wages. Ages ends up being really the determinative. One yeah you hit the nail on the head where unions have been this massive force for better compensation and benefits benefits. Union membership has declined by fifty percent over the last number of years and as a result most Americans are not benefiting from that kind of collective bargaining power. Or if you put this foundation of a thousand dollars a month into workers hands it actually makes workers much much harder to exploit and push around and this plan that I'm championing. Championing is not Originally my plan Andy. Stern who used to be the largest labor union leader in the country proposed this as a response to automation in in his twenty fifth book raising the floor and so this idea has been with us for a long time is just overdue that we actually put it into law. Okay final question. I WanNa ask you you about your trajectory here and your relationship to the Democratic Party. It seems to me that from the folks that are supporters of yours and people online that you're you're reaching a lot of people who haven't traditionally been involved in politics or part of the Democratic Party. How do you view your relationship with the Democratic Party? What have you is your your role in the larger sort of ecosystem? Oh system of the party. In whose primary running. Thanks for asking Chris. I registered Democrat for a long time. I served as is an honorary ambassador. In the Obama Administration to me. The Democratic Party needs to try and dig deeper and figure out how. We're going to solve the problems. I got Donald Trump elected. But I've been a loyal Democrat for years. I'm just trying to provide new energy and new ideas to the Democratic Party to help us all move forward in the twenty first century entry. I would certainly never do anything that would increase the chances of Donald trump becoming president again staying president. And I'm thrilled that I'm bringing independence and Libertarians. Disaffected trump voters into the fold. That's how we're going to grow the Democratic Party and that's how we're going to beat Donald Trump in twenty twenty all right Andrew under Yang. Who is in South Carolina where he is campaigning? Running for President Thank you so much for making time tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you Chris. South Carolina the state of the arrest. The two thousand twenty field. How things have changed and how? They've stayed the same next as always just saying a lot has changed but in the Democratic presidential field this year candidates have come and gone and then once we thought we were done with. All of the candidates. Other new candidates are shown up. There's been a lot of fluidity and twists and turns things but it's also actually been incredibly stable race in some ways. Consider this as New York. Magazine correspondent gave Benedetti pointed out on twitter in December of last year a a year ago two thousand eighteen Joe Biden was pulling at twenty seven point. Five percent and Bernie Sanders was it nineteen percent. That's an an average of polls one year later Biden is pulling at twenty seven twenty in percent and sanders is that nineteen point. Three eight is almost identical joining me now. A pair of veteran democratic pollsters. Linda Lake is president of Lake Research and MSNBC NBC political analyst Cornell Belcher. I was so struck by that that little factoid from from Gabe and I want to each you at some level actually not that surprising rising I mean Bernie Sanders. The runner up last time and it's US name recognition following Joe Biden's probably the most famous and well known Democrats and he was the Vice President Barack Obama home. What do you think about those to the stability? So far Celinda I think stability is exactly what's mark the election and and you know. Democratic primary voters craned of flirt and date with a number of people and then they come back to think about. Who are they going to marry? And who they're going to marry is really important written this time because who they're gonNA marry has to be Donald Trump and that's lantis certain stability to the people who had the broadest most diverse and as long as term coalitions and those were really da Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. It's interesting because need silver. I thought an interesting point. He said it's really going on. Cornell is that there's been extremely stable primary among the sixty percent of Democrats who do not grow who did not graduate from college and mostly Love Burn. Burn Biden Bernie Bernie and then a relatively volatile on on the forty percent who did graduate college and the media only covers a forty percent. What do you think that Cornell? I think that that is is. It's two things one. I think. We'll have to comment on this before I go for I. I love that Yang interview was fantastic by the way Chris. I'm sure he's in South Carolina. He wouldn't found every black Yang supportive possibly fide title. I don't know but they were there but a smart but it's also also it's sort of a broader conversation about sort of your abilities or you have to be able to compete for people of color but to the to the larger point looking. Have David puffs you know You know voice still still in my ear from two thousand seven two thousand eight. It is a state by state race. Yes it is incredibly stable at at at the top but it's not a national election right sort of plus argument you know when we were battling against Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton was always sort of the national front runner but state by state by state contest. And if you look at some of the other states it's a lot more volatile and I awoke and there's a lot more in new and New Hampshire That is nationally and and those states will matter as as well as South Carolina and Nevada and the long term. One of the things that one sort of new wrinkles and what could have been a source of volatility. Is these two people. were running Tom Steiner. And now Michael Bloomberg who are are just spending real amounts of money. I mean each over one hundred million together. They're they're they've they've lapped the field multiple times in total spending. It's it's really. It's almost Linda like they're running a political science experiment about the margin of a marginal dollar of TV advertising like Cook. Cook this up in a lab and so far it's been enough to like give them a pulse of the polling but not much more than that what do you think yeah. It's it's and it's not just a TV ad. It's the marginal impact online at and the marginal impact of a piece of mail. Well I think Amy Klobuchar right when she said you know. The Democratic Party doesn't like billionaires. There's even the billionaires don't like billionaires so I'm really not sure you can buy the primary in the Democratic primary and caucus system that said no no one would sneeze it someone who can spend one hundred million dollars and it's still barely tapped into their resources and that's that's really the question. What I find just like sort of dispassionate descriptive percents fascinating is like I don't know Cornell like if Bloomberg decides to spend literally one billion dollars is at enough to like make you or is it literally you can so you can spend all the money you and it doesn't matter full transparency I've done work for every town I've taken some every tile blueberry but that that said look I don't think you can look Selena knows this. I mean one of the things that we worry about in politics. All the time is how much our candidates going to be out spit and and if our candidate has outspent tremendously at absolutely has an impact on the race and with a guy like Bloomberg look he was supposed to be New York and he had but he has a track record and he has it has deep pockets and he has something to say. I don't think you can. I don't think you can count that out. If he's GonNa spend sixty or seventy million dollars in those super Tuesday states. I think we're read a different point in different time in elections. That's the open question. I honestly don't know the answer I we'll know right. Now he's like Andrew. Yang are essentially tied in national polling. Just to give a perspective of where things aren't just in in in the polling averages I guess the last question for you Celinda is the degree to which Warren who who has just sent out an email saying that her campaign fundraising has slowed a bit. They might Mr targets campaign because they don't have the stable base of Bernie Sanders quite as much. They haven't built that list over as much time because they don't take big dollar donors. They are much more susceptible to momentum even if the momentum is essentially invented thing than other campaigns. That's exactly right. And they don't have a trick really. I mean Andrew Yang actually one of the ways he got into the place that he got into was because I I think personally at the most brilliant online strategy that's why he came out of nowhere and he's known how to balance it was serious things kind of wind cicle almost foolish things things in some ways. Elizabeth Warren is very very serious and I think that it is subject to the ups and downs. I also think she is subject to ups and downs because she has more women donors and more women donors get riskier about their investment and they tend to make smaller contributions so there are a lot of things things going on here that can make her more subject to ups and downs. I will say that she has a definitely she was going up for a while to keep that little has plateaued but I think the downward trajectory has been in a little overstated as well going back to our stability our stability theme Celinda Lake Right Cornell Belcher. Thank you both for being with me tonight. 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Paris Hilton | Do You Know Who I Am? | 1

"I miss episode. we're going to be swearing like a hotel heiress. He didn't get her side of ranch. Truly the worst thing that could happen so brooke Have you ever been to the waldorf astoria hotel new york now. But i've had a waldorf salad. That's almost the same thing in fun. Fact it just so happens. The waldorf salad was invented. Right there at the hotel in eighteen ninety three. But that's not what the story is about saying god or this would be a very short series. Wait what do you mean a salad. Featuring grapes walnuts and celery. What could be better literally any other guy. Okay we'll let me paint you a picture of the waldorf hotel in two thousand and three because that's where our story starts. The waldorf is on park avenue and it was once the tallest and largest hotel in the world. it's got marble floors these long mirrored hallways and fancy ballrooms and most of the people who stay there are loaded. We're talking movie. Stars kings and queens. Titans of industry in fact to past presidents even lived there but now in two thousand and three paris hilton lives in the residential part of the hotel along with her parents and brothers and sister. But it's still pretty sweet digs for twenty two year old plus there's housekeeping and twenty four hour room service which she calls a lot. Yahoo wouldn't can you imagine. Please end up some eggs. Benny a bottle of dom and some clippers. I chip to nail. Oh my gosh. Do you know why she lives in the waldorf. I'm assuming just because she's a rich heiress. Rich heiresses live and fancy hotels so true. It's because she's a hotel heiress Her family owns the hotel or more specifically her great grandfather. Conrad hilton bought it back in nineteen forty nine so as you can imagine everyone. There is really nice to her. It's miss hilton. This miss hilton. Matt how can i make your chihuahua. More comfortable miss hilton. They probably don't want to get fired. I wouldn't be surprised if they make fun of her behind her back because she's become a pretty easy target. She seems like ditsy wild child. At least that's the way the media portrays she's always on page six for something or other like the time. She danced a nightclub table and flashed her to the paparazzi or the time her nicole richie showed up to a club in matching denim suits and nothing else underneath. What does paris care if she sometimes the butt of jokes she pretty much has it all. She's loaded. She's beautiful and a few years back when she was nineteen. She signed with a modeling agency trump model management. Then she and her sister nikki. Linda shoot with one of the most famous photographers. David chapelle this opens a ton of doors for paris by two thousand and three in the confines of new york. She's one of the city's most famous boldface names. The tabloids cover her antics. She's walking the runway at new york fashion week. She can get into any club. Helped clubs sometimes pay her to be there but in the rest of the country. People still don't know much about her if she's going to be more than just a socialite and a model famous last name than the world has to know more about paris hilton and in just a couple of weeks they will. She's got a reality. Tv show called the simple life. That's about to premiere on a major network. If it works the show will take her career and her life to the next level and bring her face into millions of homes. And let me just say this is two thousand and three well before keeping up with the kardashians and the real housewives. she's gonna be a star and then something goes terribly wrong in mid november two thousand three paris on a flight back from australia when someone tells her a tape is out there online a tape of her and her ex boyfriend. That's let's just say influence a sex tape. Yup who's the ex. His name is rick salomon and he's one of the top pro poker players in the world and paris's i love. They dated for about seven months. Split up then got back together. But it wasn't meant to be and this was back in two thousand one. They both since moved on. Rick got married and had the marriage annulled. Paris got engaged to than broke it off. Even the rich have commitment issues especially the rich for parasol. Relationship was so long ago back when she was nineteen. She doesn't even remember making a video with ric. maybe it isn't her when her flight lands. She rushes home. It doesn't take long to find. She holds her breath and presses play. Its home movie a single camera. It looks like it was shot. In night-vision she watches a woman walk into frame. And this woman is tall and blonde and wears nothing but lebron's underwear then. She looks over her shoulder at the camera. And it's her yup and now it's out there online and she's mortified who else has seen it. When her phone rings she knows who it is. Damage control it's jason. More jason's been working to be paris's goto manager. He's a trainee. One of hollywood's biggest talent management firms and paris is his ticket to a corner office and he's not happy either. He knows that this tape is out there. That means the tablet tablet the national enquirer the star the globe. He asks her. If that's all there is or if there's more details of the night start to form in paris's mind the drinking rick with a video camera. There's more she says. Why would he do this. No one can actually legally publish this video right. I don't think so he says but my guess is they're going to and all of a sudden that new life paris is about to start. It's going up in flames business. Movers has a new podcast from wandering to dive deep into the most successful companies of all time because behind each are stories of the difficult decisions that made them who they are. First up is disneyworld. Business movers premieres january fourteenth. But you can listen. January seven and free by joining one re plus in the wondering wondering feel the story from wondering marisha skidmore williams and brooks different. And this is even the rich where we bring you absolutely true and absolutely shocking stories about the greatest dynasties the world has ever seen. It's a show about power high. You get it how you keep it and what happens when it goes to your head. It's also about how the rich are just like us because even the rich love and cry and dream and hope and sub tweet about their xs. Well drunk those are the fastest so brooke. I'm taking marines on this one. Because i'm fascinated by social media influencers. Isn't it crazy that people can be famous for. Just you know being famous And they're making money like really good money just today. I learned that there's a nine year old youtuber who earned twenty nine point five million dollars this year alone. I'd like to get off the ride. Now please save but before anyone could grow up wanting to me and influence her. Before there was even the term influencer. Someone had to pave the way and that someone was paris hilton. She was really the first celebrity of the first century who was famous for being famous and who understood the power of the media in reality. Tv and social media age. She realized her fame was a brand. Which is something. We practically take for granted today and our friend. Kim was fast to cash into kim kardashian. Yup emma kardashians took it to a whole new level. That's why this is going to be a two parter with our next series after paris. Hilton focusing on the kardashian family. First part over the next four episodes. We're going to dive into all. That is paris. we're gonna learn. She was shaped by her famous family. How she turned a sex tape which could have ruined her into superstardom and how the name paris hilton. What from the pinnacle of fame to people asking whatever happened to her. This is episode one. Do you know who. I am okay. So in order to understand how paris became paris. We have to go back in time to meet the matriarch who started it all paris's grandmother kathleen dugan also known as big kathy. Wait why big kathy. Because she eventually has a daughter named cathy who everyone calls little kathy who will marry a hilton and have our girl paris but that comes later. We need to know about big cathy because she's the one who set this whole ball in motion and she's a big reason. Paris became who she is as paris will later say it was her grandmother who made her feel like she could be whoever she wanted. Oh man. I love grandma's me to picture this. It's one thousand nine hundred fifty seven elvis presley's at the top of the charts sheath dresses and trim sweaters are all the rage. Love mia trim sweater. It's truly fashion. That's what i picture big kathy wearing when she steps off the subway at twenty third street and park avenue in new york city. She's nineteen years old and she has flirty. Green is in chestnut brown hair. Done up in font. Hairdo like elizabeth taylor. She's in new york for an audition at the american academy of dramatic arts. And she's ready to meet her destiny. Big kathy has always gone after what she wanted. No one's sure where she got it from exactly. Maybe her father. Big ed dugan who was a bigger than life politician and successful businessman or maybe from her mother dodo who is an energetic fashionable fireball. God big at dodo. I love these names. Big editor dodo. Hail from nebraska. But when capitalist ten they moved to long island's gold coast manhasset to be exact about twenty minutes outside of new york. Kathy is kid number three but she was always the most precocious of the bunch which is another way of saying. She does things her own way. Once she drops out at sixteen big at and dodo barely. Bad i have. He doesn't have much use for studies. She doesn't want to be a doctor. She wants to be a star famous. An actor singer. Maybe both and this is her shot. All she has to do is nail this audition but it's harder than it sounds. This is the oldest and best acting school in the country. Big cathy walks in and a receptionist takes into a large room. There's a huge table off to the side behind. It are four people. These are the judges who have her fate in their hands. They not hello polite but not exactly warm if she's going to make an impression she's gotta go. Big one of the judges asked kathy's ready. She says yes stages hers. I don't know what she performed. But i do know she killed it because fifteen minutes later. She's in it's a two year program but she actually only makes it through a semester or two turns out acting isn't as interesting as the honky guys. She hooks up with his name. Is larry ovens. He's handsome blond off and looks like a cross between steve mcqueen all newman and larry is equally smitten with her after some fun in the backseat of his chevy. She's pregnant and they're on their way to the altar. It's actually big kathy. Who insists on the marriage. And you don't say no too big. Cathy i definitely would not say no to cathy. She scares me same actually. Eight months later the baby is born a little girl. They name her kathleen elizabeth avenue but in her family. She's known as little. Kathy is his mother. No she's just a baby but eventually she be. Okay kathy's thrilled and she tries to be a good mother but she's just a kid herself. Plus her new husband is an exactly helping turns out. O'leary larry has a dark side. He likes to drink a lot. Big kathy can handle the drinking. She likes now and then herself. What she can't handle is his lack of ambition. He may be hot but the only job he can get is at the esso gas station but at least he's the manager. I mean listen. A job's a job right. You're right you're right. She and larry start to fight like crazy. And i mean really fight. According to one book he busted her nose one after she threw milk bottle at his head. This is nothing like big. Kathy pictured her life she was supposed to be a famous singer or movie star and now she's stuck at home with the baby and a crap marriage while her friends are out partying and having the time of their lives but big. Cathy was blessed with big determination and even though her own dreams might be dissolving away. She's still got her daughter and as luck would have it little. Kathy looks about as perfect as a baby can. Look i mean. Of course all babies are cute. Sure sure but also are they or is this something we have to say. I mean it's definitely something we have to say. So we're just going to saying but seriously little kathy is actually truly really cute. Now bullshit cute. She has light blonde hair and face like a doll. All pudgy rosie. People are always stopping big chemistry to tell her how beautiful her baby is which sets off a light bulb in kathy's head if she can't be a star maybe her daughter can so she starts schlepping little kathy from agent to agent in new york. She takes her to ad agencies to look at my baby's face. Look cute on your gerber label. Now larry doesn't like this at all. His wife is always gone when she's home. He's second fiddle but big caffeine. Doesn't care if larry doesn't like it. Larry can leave so he does. And then big kathy catches a break. There's a famous baby. Photographer named constants bannister. Who's a studio. Near big kathy's home bannister. Practically invented the baby photo. She so famous her photos are known as bannister babies. Their little faces can be found in books and on calendars and inside magazines. Big caffeine takes a chance and shows up on her doorstep with little kathy intel and bannister signs her on the spot pretty soon. She's in a dial so bad. Which leads to more paying gigs. At last big kathy's dream is coming true. Someone in the family is going to be famous around the same time little. Kathy's career starts to rise. Big kathy meets. A man is ambitious as she is his name. Is ken richards. Ken is a successful business guy. He markets women's clothes and he's good at it. He pretty much invented no iron cotton and the skirt Skorts the perfect attire to say. Hey boys wanna see what's under here. Bloom short. I still have my waiting for them to come but can is loaded. He's got a home on long island. An apartment in manhattan and a farm in upstate. New york basically. He's living the lifestyle big. Kathy always imagined for herself. Sure is twenty years older. But he's handsome and he seems interested. There's only one problem he's already married and he has three kids to boot. Y- yeah except that's not really a problem for big kathy. She leaps into a passionate affair but she doesn't just want to play the mistress. She wants to be the wife to him. She has moxie. I'll give her that. But at the same time i'm nervous i mean i sent a broken marriage coming. Yeah you're right. There's a story in the book house of helton's about how she shows up at kens hotel when he's out of town on business trips and eventually cans wife figures out he's having an affair and one day. The wife shows up at a restaurant to confront kathy about it and this is where the story gets a little scary. Somehow the wife ends up stumbling back to her car and lands in the hospital with a mangled ankle. She tells her kids. Big kathy drugged her and chased her to her car and slammed her april in the door when she tried to get away. I'm like i mean who knows if it's true you have to take these third hand stories with a grain of salt but what is true. Is that big. Kathy gets her man. After she gets pregnant can divorces his wife and may get married in that order. I'm seeing a pattern here when the baby is born. They named her kimberly and then a few years later another comes along and they name her. Kyle wait kansas laissez. Ms richard so that would make them kim and kyle richards from the real housewives of beverly hills. Yup and fun fact for you little. Kathy's joining them next season. Oh my god. I can't wait anyway. Now big kathy has three beautiful daughters and three shots at fame. Now let's fast forward a few years. The richards moved to california or bel air to be exact. And for those of you. Who don't know bel air. It's basically one of the richest neighborhoods in los angeles. I mean we're talking huge twenty thousand square foot mansions that cost on average three point. Eight million dollars. Lots of celebrities live there beyond say jennifer aniston jaylo an fun fact. We used to park cars and belair for the rich which is about as close to rich people if we got except that time. I sent a letter to brian. Latrell from the backstreet boys and he wrote back. Okay was a restraining order. He sent back irrelevant anyway. For big kathy feller is the perfect home base to further her girls careers and she goes full speed ahead as a stage mom. She enrolls her daughters acting classes. Dance classes singing classes. Guitar classes horseback riding classes. That's literally more classes than i took my senior year of college. And then in nineteen seventy. It pays off six year old. Kim lindsay starring role in the tv series danny and the professor a few years later she gets the lead a disney movie which ends up being a huge box office. Hit that same year kyle. Who's now six gets a regular role on little house on the prairie. Damn this is like the stage. Mom jackpot yes. She's killing it. Meanwhile little kathy. Who isn't so little anymore isn't doing as well. She gets role here and there. But nothing breakout or recurring. Those always go to someone else like her sisters. Which obviously isn't easy for little cathy. She's a beautiful young woman. She's trained her heart out before she could even talk. She was in front of a camera. I mean she was abandoned her baby. For god's sakes it doesn't help that her mother doesn't let her forget how well kathy sisters are doing as in better than her. But then little kathy gets a break showed. This is a backup singer for an episode of happy days. The band is made up of girls from reform school. Fronted by leather tuscan. Herro banzi is going to manage them and they had the coolest plots back then. It's not a big role but happy. Days is huge. Thirty million people watch each week. Maybe it could be her big break and kathy can really sing. And she nabs. The role wanna hear clip of her performance. Yeah of course. She's not bad so that's actually leather tuscany. Aero kathy's behind you can't really hear her but she looks great. Unfortunately though it doesn't lead to other parts not anything big anyway as their acting careers fizzling out little kathy ships refocused to her love life specifically marrying up mary rich and have lots of babies is the mantra. Kathy drilled into her daughter's heads that's according to big kathy's best friend jane halloran. Who will later say. It's all big kathy. Ever wanted out of life little. Kathy starts going on dates with rich and famous guys or famer jason. Anyway she hates dean paul. The son of pack icon dean martin. But he's in the middle of an ugly divorce and not ready to commit again so that doesn't work out so little. Kathy moves onto another guy with famous. Parents desi arnez junior son of the legendary lucille ball but lucy makes little kathy for a gold digger and puts the kyw bosch on the whole thing but little kathy bounces right back. She's young and pretty immense seem to like her. She starts hanging out at the playboy mansion back then a lot of celebrities and rich guys party there and they're known for slamming all over hot girls. Wow i'm shocked but also gross gross little. Kathy doesn't lend a husband at the mansion but she does. Landon offered opposing the magazine. Once she tells her mom. Big kathy is over. The moon. being playboy in the seventies is a huge deal. Stars like farah fawcett and raquel. Welch have been on the cover help. Marilyn monroe was their first covergirl. Back in nineteen fifty three plus. It's a lot of money. Twenty five thousand bucks which today would be like a hundred grand. Her daughter's going to be a star. Okay that might be a stretch. But i guess you never know for little kathy. I'm sure it would be nice to her. Mother's approval and be the sister that her mother brags about but the more she thinks about it. The more ambitious. She feels the way she sees it. Rich guys might sleep with miss october. 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In december nineteen seventy-eight trento beach the fanciest part of santa monica. It's christmas break but still warm enough for little kathy. They'd be tanning herself. In a bikini she stares out at the ocean pinochle in hand. At least this is how i picture it. Good choice with the pina colada. I mean what's the beach without a pena exactly. She's add another she she party except this one is different because little kathy has her eye on a guy. His name is rick hilton. He's the twenty three year old grandson of hilton hotels founder. Conrad she knew rick in high school but not very well now. He's all grown up with a mop of curly blond hair and a killer smile. He's finishing his last year at denver university where he studying hotel and restaurant management hoping to go into the family business. The hilton hotel empire is a billion dollar business. And someday it'll be his at least that's what i imagine kathy things now. She just has to get his attention. He's talking to a couple of girls but little caffey butts in. Hey you she says rick recognizes her and gives her a hug and that's all it takes the other girls disappear and kathy doesn't leave his side for the rest of the party or for the next few weeks it was the pina colada. Wasn't it probably pinochle out. Our hot little. Kathy follows rick back to denver while he finishes his final semester. The two are in love and she's already planning the wedding in her head. There's only one problem the hiltons are royalty and big. Kathy isn't especially now. she divorced. Ken richards when his career started to flounder and now she's gotten remarried to husband number three and let's just say he's a little not exactly the kind of guy i imagine. The hilton family would be thrilled. To welcome. As an in-law his name is jack. Cotin legit business front but word on the street is. He's a mobster. Probably because he's facing federal racketeering charges big kathy mott jacket a golf tournament in palm springs and fell hard. He sexy and has swagger. She's into his tough guy vibe when he gives her a huge rock. It's don big. Kathy really does love him but she also loves her daughter and she's not going to let her marriage to a questionable guy. Get in the way of little kathy marrying a hilton so she divorces him wow escalated quickly and it works on november twenty fourth nineteen seventy-nine at the church of the good shepherd in beverly hills. Kathy puts on a white gown. And says i do to rick hilton. She finally landed a bigger role than kevin kyle. I picture her looking over at her mother sitting in front row. Thinking hell ya. I finally got her approval. Hell yeah wait hold on. Should i be happy. I mean yeah why not. Everyone's happy big cafe is so happy. She remarries jack again. A few months later though they live in separate mansions a little over a year later on february seventeenth nineteen eighty-one little. Kathy gives birth to a baby girl. The couple name her after their favorite city in the world paris school. My gosh baby hilton. We'll kathy's must be thrilled. Oh bay are. Both copies may have missed their chance at stardom. But there's always the next generation. It's october nineteen eighty-one. Paris is nine months. Old and her cute chubby roles are tightly strapped into a carseat as her mom. Little kathy drives them through beverly hills. Kathy is all dressed up now that she's a hilton. She's part of an elite social society. I picture her driving a mercedes in chanel suit and pearls. I'm picturing skirt because she has great legs. I'm picturing super teased early. Eighties hair. So much mousse inaugurnat. It's one of my favorite things about the eighty s. Yes kathy's on her way to her in laws house maryland and barron hilton. Baron is the second son of his famous father. Conrad he's the heir apparent to the hilton hotels empire. Cathy secretly hopes when barron retires. He'll hand the torch to rick and she'll be queen when kathy arrived with the baby. Her mother-in-law maryland walks her into the mansion. Today maryland has a visitor from texas pat hilton. Who married to another of conrad sons. As soon as kathy arrives she hands paris to pat. Who choose and is she says well. Isn't she just the cutest little thing. Cathy nods probably meet star paths confused. She bought the baby's name was paris. If it is says kathy but stars what. I've called her since the day she was born. Because that's what she's going to be and then she excuses herself pet figure she went to the powder room or something except she did it. She left she got in her car and drove away. Didn't even leave any extra diapers. Where's she going wherever she's got a life. What in our nation here she is holding the baby with no idea what she eats or when she takes a nap and she has no idea when kathy will be back mother-in-law maryland just laughs. She says cathy does this all the time. She wants to go out and she knew you take care of the kid. One kathy comes back that night. Pat gives her earful. How could you just leave me with your baby. It's not the first or the last time kathy leaves pairs with whoever will watch according to the house of hilton book. Whenever kathy and rick state of the new york hilton they'd get someone from housekeeping to watch her sometimes for a whole weekend. Okay as a former housekeeper. I wouldn't love that again though. This is third party info. So who really knows. But i could see it. I mean she and rick are young just like her mom was when she had kathy they both work hard and liked to party may probably figure paris will be fine. She's so cute. Who wouldn't want to take care of her. But it's hard to imagine what that might do to a kid i mean. How do you think that would affect a little girl paris. I mean i don't know she'd probably do whatever she could to get attention. I would assume. But also i'm not therapist. The most of the attention she gets is from nannies. Since her parents are a lot of her hernandez was bethany frankel. My god will house of new york. Somebody housewives in this story. The skinny girl mogul. She was friends with kyle. Kathy's younger sister and that's how they met. When paris gets older bethany takes her and nikki to school. A fancy french place called lunasafwan say that she picks them up at the end of the day and they might go ice skating or she takes paris to the pet store to look at. Ferrets pairs loved ferrets. She had a couple. She carried around in her products are so cute they really are then. They all go back to the belair mansion. We're the hiltons live. It's a big white traditional house. More than seven thousand square feet with chefs kitchen and a wine room and a big lodge fireplace. There's even pool in a spa and a separate house next to the pool just for the gym. Which is good because the hiltons are throwing huge lavish parties. We're talking big catered events. Fancy food champagne. The works little. Paris often comes downstairs to make an appearance where she runs into celebrity. Friends of hilton's like with taylor ronald reagan and our moms pal from high school. You may have heard of him. Michael jackson Most of the time though paris's home alone with the hired help while her parents are off working or on trips but when their home. Oddly they're kinda strict stricter than most of the other rich kids parents. She knows it's forever until they'll give her a cell phone and they're always stressing the value of hard work. Oh and they have no makeup role which paris skit around by barring her friends and puts on at school and then washes off before she goes home then she gets bolder and start shortening her skirts just a little at first then a little more until one day the headmistress notices and calls her parents caffeine rick are irritated but let's face it. It's a minor offence but by eighth grade. Paris goes even bigger. She starts sneaking out of the house and going to clubs in la just a night out here and there but pretty soon she staying out later in going out more often. I mean she probably learned from her parents. Her parents are both big parties but to be fair they're adults old enough to vote and make mature life. Choices i don't know about that pairs is having fun. She likes the music dancing and the attention. She gets older guys. She's living it up. Maybe her parents won't notice but they do and they're pissed harris's lake just doing what you're doing but it's a do as i say not do as i do kind of situation. Okay all i can think about for. Some reason. is that anti-drugs ad from the eighties. Where the data was in the room and he's got a box of drugs like where did you learn that from the kids like i learned from watching you. I love the idea of keeping drugs in a box. Not just good sense. It's my drugs in box anyway. Rick and kathy are worried. Her behavior will influence her younger siblings. There's nikki in paris. Now has two younger baby brothers plus. Her parents are about to embark on a months-long yachting trip. So they won't be around to keep a close eye on her. They need help. It's august nineteen ninety-five and fourteen year. Old perez is being driven out of la for a little over two hours. She stews in the car furious with her parents. But there's nothing she can do. They pull up to a house in palm desert. That's much smaller than her belair mansion. She gets out of the car and slams the door and drags her luggage to the front stops. The door opens. Its her grandmother. Big kathy who is that the best choice in kathy's kind of a wild card. Yeah but remember. Cathy is tough. If anyone can get paris to behave. It's her but it turns out big cathy's not a drill sergeant. She's actually fine. She's adored baby para since day. One calling her marilyn monroe. One peirce arrives grandma. Lets her meet up with her friends whenever she wants. And she opens her doors to paris's friends. Everyone is welcome. Big kathy tells a friend that her daughter didn't pay enough attention to paris and that's why she acts out but still it's paris go out partying in palm springs. Twelve miles away turns out big. Kathy didn't take her in so she could straighten her out. She wants to make things happen for her help. Her realize she can be a star. In a few months. Paris's parents are back from their trip. Paris rejoins them but not in. La rick is opening an office in new york city and moves the whole family there into a penthouse at the waldorf birthplace of the waldorf salad. I listen exactly paris. Hilton is going to take manhattan. Hi i'm lindsey graham. The host of one reason new series business movers where we dive deep into the inner workings of some of the most successful companies of all time business. Movers is available early and ad free on one. Three plus from the origin stories of their famed leaders to the million dollar idea that catapulted them to success. How exactly did these companies grow from just a dream to multi-billion dollar corporations cure the landmark decisions to scandals and the stunning triumphs that propelled these companies to the top. I up disneyworld business. Movers premiers on january fourteenth on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcast you can listen to the first episodes now early an ad free by starting your free trial of one plus in the wondering app with business. Movers feel the journey. One-day feel the story it's nineteen ninety-six and fifteen year old. Paris is living in new york city. And she's back to her old ways. Her parents have strict rules. No dating no makeup early curfew. But they don't work for her. She loves the city and it loves her back so she sneaks out at night when her parents are off at charity events are fancy dinners. I imagine her strutting through the lobby of the waldorf. She's wearing a slinky leopard print skirt and a low cut laptop. The doorman gives her a smile. Going out ms hilton. She puts a finger to her lips. Sh and gives him a wink. He opens the door. Hails her cab. She heads downtown and gets dropped off outside a nightclub. Maybe it's the limelight. That was big in the nineties. I picture a huge line at the door. And i'm guessing paris hilton doesn't do lines. Well maybe she does no way for us to know but she definitely wait in them. Paris saunters to the front in confidently flashes. Her smile at the bouncer. She may only be fifteen but paris is tall even taller. In her foreign stiletto heels she easily passes for twenty one. He glances at her fake. Id and lets her in the dance. Floor pulse eight men with men women with men women with women loving each other loving the moment drag queens artists fashioned. Isa's everyone is accepted here. Paris feels alive at the end of the night. She makes her way back uptown. I'm not sure how many times paris got away with this before she got caught but her mother has said it happened more than once paris would be out late and kathy would come home to find her gone so she'd start calling every nightclub in manhattan going out of her mind looking for her daughter so imagine one night. It's like four in the morning when paris sneaks back home for the trump team teamed time. But this time. Her parents are waiting arms crossed. And they're mad. They get even matter when they see what she's wearing leopard print and i'm picturing that necklace she had. That says hot bitch again. Definitely where that. Yeah mine's with joy is getting fixed. Eventually paris's parents have had enough. They take away her credit cards and flip phone. I remember flip phones. Such as the blur time the good old days. It's not just the clubbing net infuriates. Her parents her academic career. If you can call it. That is a disaster. Paris convinced her parents to send her to the professional children's school. It's this prep school for kids. Who are mainly in show business. Her classmates are broadway performers ballerinas and actors like macaulay culkin and christina ricci. But once she got there she had no interest in class or doing homework Given the number of razzies she's one. I can't say i'm surprised okay. I can't wait until episode. Four when we get to talk about her starring role in the classic film. The hottie and the naughty. It got a whole six percent on rotten tomatoes. Ouch yeah anyway. She's not doing well in school and she's breaking rules at home. Rick and kathy are at their wits end. They know they need to do something drastic. Get her away from the temptation of new york. So they pull some strings. And get paris to canterbury a fancy boarding school a couple of hours away in connecticut. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a nice donation that went along with that. Nor would i. but it doesn't stop paris from sneaking off campus and catching the train back into the city. People are starting to pay attention when she's at their clubs and she doesn't want to stop now sometimes. She even brings her younger sister nicky. Less than a semester later. Paris gets expelled from the boarding school for sneaking off campus to party. That's one her parents realize the issue. It wasn't far enough away from new york city. They're desperate to get paris out of the spotlight and clearly. They can't send her back to grandma's so they shipped her off to the most remote school they can find em- san bernardino national forest of southern california. It's literally in the middle of a redwood forest. The closest nightclub is hundreds of miles away but once she's there. Paris is completely isolated. The school is called c. Do it's an emotional growth. School like outward bound for rich troubled teens. She lives in a cold. No-frills cabin she's lucky to have running water. She yearns for her one thousand thread count sheets as she clings to a scratchy wool. Blanket counselors wake her up at the crack of dawn to start chopping wood. She's miserable she's used to room service. Not foraging for her own food. Yeah that'll fuck up your manicure. Extra this it's nineteen ninety-seven seven and sixteen year. Old perez is walking through the forest gathering up firewood with a classmate. It's midday in already over ninety degrees. They're both drenched in sweat and fed up. Paris looks around and sees that none of teachers are watching them she suddenly drops her kindling and says let's get out of here. She immediately takes off running through the woods through cornfields of mountain though it's hot as hell and she's parched. Paris is determined to get outta there. She can almost taste her freedom until she spots one of the teachers shit. She's hauled back to school what she knew what happened if she got caught but she didn't expect to be smacked across the face in front of her classmates. Paris holds her face in shock. They wanna make an example to everyone else. This is what happens when you try to escape. Thought it's like the handmaid's tale. Yeah it totally is. Paris calls her parents and tells them she hates the place to their credit. They listened to her except they transfer her to another wilderness. Therapy school this time in washington state. It's an offshoot of the first place owned by the same person. So what's the same. Hell just a different forest. And the counselors know. She escaped cd so they're watching her once again. Paris is determined to escape. And she does. But this time they're ready. The school shuts down local roads. And even the nearest airport peres ultimately caught and sent home back to the waldorf. Yeah but that's what she wanted right. Yes she did and she couldn't be happier to be back in her own. Bed fluffy pillows. Expensive sheets wants to stay here forever. She promises her parents. You'll behave. she'll never sneak out again. But rick and kathy aren't stupid. They've been fooled one too many times. It's midnight march of one thousand. Nine hundred eight pairs fast asleep when she opens her eyes to find. Two burly men standing over her paris bolts upright. What the fuck is going on. One of the guy says you're coming with us. He dangles a pair of handcuffs and ads. We can do it. The easy way or the hard way paris screens. She calls out for her parents. I'm being kidnapped help. But no one comes as she's being dragged out of the apartment. She sees caffeine rick. Just standing there watching turns out there in on it. H- plot twist yeah. Paris wakes in some kind of dorm room wearing a tan jumpsuit. She's not sure where they've taken her. She tries the door but it's locked. She looks out the only window in the room which is also locked and sees a beautiful greenlawn framed by purple mountains and a high chain link. Fence topped with razor wire. There's no way out now. This sounds like juvie not exactly but not far off. She finds a notebook on the little wooden desk. And it says provo canyon school in utah. It's another emotional. Gross school part of what's known as the troubled teen industry but those other schools were like summer camp compared to this place. Paris doesn't have classes most of the time. She sits in a chair facing the wall if she speaks or moves she gets smacked with a ruler. Pairs is terrified to even ask to go to the bathroom. She watches as the staff hits. Her classmates sometimes going as far as to strangle them. Pretty sure that's abuse. Yeah but they claim it's to instill obedience might add more like fear. Paris has to tell her parents about this right. She doesn't in fact it's going to be twenty years before she tells anyone she and her classmates are convinced that no one will believe them. Paris watches as many of the kids break from the abuse and are put on suicide watch but she does her best to stay strong which is really hard. When you're from drugs. Provo forces all of the kids. Take pills. Paris doesn't want to but she has no choice. She has to open her mouth to prove she's swallowed them but our girl is smart. She eventually figures out how to hide the pills in her mouth and when they aren't watching she spits them out and she gets away with it for a while. A few months into her stay at provo is keeping a low profile staying under the radar and out of the way of the staffers. Until she's confronted with pill. She spit out in secretly dropped in the trash. Are these yours a staffer. She denies it but one of the girls points at her and says i saw her do it. Wo- switches get stitches. My girl except it's like that at provo. Everyone is broken in paranoid. Harris is shocked. The biggest guy in the staff grabs her by the arm and marches are down a hallway. He throws her into a small windowless room. There's no bad no desk. Just a bucket and a roll of toilet paper. He orders paris to take off her clothes. She sits on the floor. Make it and shivering. It's utah and late fall. It's cold all she can hear are the screams of classmate in the next cell over. Who how long has she. They're twenty hours freezing scared alone. She says later the one thing that keeps her from losing. Her mind is planning what she'll do when she gets out she's going to be independent. She going to be famous and she's going to do everything in her power to be successful that no one will ever control her again. This is episode one of our four part series paris. Hilton if you enjoyed it. Please subscribe on apple. Podcasts spotify google dot com or wherever. You're listening if you're listening on a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover. Art of this podcast. We'll find some offers from our sponsors by supporting them. You help us offer you this show for free if you like what you're hearing we'd love you to give us a five star rating and leave a review. We'd love to know your thoughts another way to support us as the answer. A short survey at one three dot com slash survey. Wanna listen to even the rich ad free head over to wondering dot com slash p l u s. 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Part 2: 13 Things You Need to Know About the AFC

The Nat Coombs Show

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Part 2: 13 Things You Need to Know About the AFC

"How welcome to the not cream show on ESPN good to have you with us type apart to of our AFC preview didn't really think that me and I might we'll get through the AFC and forty five fifty minutes did yet. That is -solutely a possible no chance given them out two of US gas. So second part of the preview coming and, of course, once taking care of business that we move onto the NFC lots of preview pods coming your way over the course of the coming weeks as we get set for the twenty twenty NFL season keeping optimistic gang. I enjoy the second part of the lots of good stuff here. we'll check you on the other side. Let's right along to the AFC south. I. Mike. Let's start with the titans given the fact they want it lost time around than they have splashed the cash to make sure they've kept the majority of some of the offense in play getting paid Henry. Of course, who led the league in rushing yards in carries as well. was the joy leader in touchdown sixteen rushing touchdowns last season. So they made sure he stays in the mix because I mean without overstating his role underplaying everybody else. He was quite clearly the focal point of the offense lost time around we mentioned by linear and how effectively he's emerged as one of the bright young things as head coaches in the NFL, Lawson key parts defensively as well. So. Tight stack of difficult. To replicate isn't it might I think it is. You know 'cause. I. What happened was they got in the end they you know They're. They they're like. A nine and seventeen had a great playoff run. You know which is what titans teams also seemed been. But without the off run. So is the great playoff run a aside that they're going to be you know better this year and improve or or is it a sign that they just sort of got lucky you know and and they've lost other you said, they've lost out quite a few good players who are not going to be easy to replace not least we. Jack. CONKLIN. But if concrete was a big part of a bad team at at at right tackle and giral case has gone. was aged seventy seventh rounder as well. I mean I'd that surprise me like you. You know they'd reaching it but they have they sort of have. Talent there they think to be able. To replace him and and it it was as if they thought that the more important thing was to get a pass rusher, which is why Vic Beasley got signed But you know I'm not sure Beasley difference maker to me. The real question here is going to be with the young receivers. Can can it can tannehill effective as he was at the toward the end of the season? Statistically, he had a monster season right which people don't recognize but I'm not sure that You know that that. That is the sign of their progression or whether it's just a sign that when you're a good play action quarterback when you have a great detail runner like Derrick, Henry that last half of the year good for one hundred plus yards every game whether that made his life a little bit easier. No doubt at a great point to DVD. Tattoo Hell we saw him if you look is Miami Correa. Injury affected ultimately, but he had this very promising years that. Aaron. was started Los Angeles a backup and forces to win starts engaging and then did what he did where is time in in your estimation is He's not an elite quarterback in the NFL, but is he next group just under the? End Mobs. Is and I think he is with a question mark basically. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who aren't convinced that he's going to be able to deliver that same kind of performance. Off So because if you look like in the playoffs, you know he only through thirty passes in the two playoff games they won. Garoppolo forty-nine is se championship argument. We didn't need to draw maybe maybe he did fumble three times and he fumbled three times against the chiefs where you know he actually threw for exactly the same number of yards against the chiefs in the first two games two, hundred, nine so I I think he's a fairly. He he is not a difficult guy to defend if you can stop Derrick Henry or war this is the big one. If you can take a lead on them and forced them to get away from Derrick, Henry, which is probably an easier thing to do than stopping Derrick Henry. And that's kind of what the chiefs did. You know they they had to come back to do it. Yeah. It was there off. Yeah. It was their offense that forced Tennessee's offense onto the wrong foot right wasn't degrade. That did it and the other thing that interested me because we just talked about Isaiah Wilson you know Gender Willis in Cleveland. was drafted to play the left side. They played the right side in college and wei-sze Wilson who they drafted to play the right side played the left side in college. So it's like, Hey, can we trade? So the titans thereabouts, but it'll be a difficult situation for them. Look. What's rounded and in some respects that has kind of played to that favor because Huston presumably. A not going to be a strong year-on-year because. One elite receiver. Doesn't necessarily change a trajectory to look at everything else that's going on but but clearly the loss of the Andrei Hopkins and and the fact that will fuller rattled called. Whether you feel they can step up and be as prolific. It's one thing but that both. That both. Plays have had significant injuries over that crew is right. Yeah. This this smacks of me of Bill O'Brien thinking that he can make a bill O'Brien offense with the with. Shawn. Shawn Watson Right. Instead of a destroy Watson offense you know if David Johnson were to. Turn to his form of now three years ago. That I might have a different feeling about that. But right now I don't think David Johnson is as good as Duke Johnson you know and they're very similar type type players wasn't justice. Do Justice at very much underrated player. I. Think you always raved about fat point with David Johnson you know this This is fundamental because everybody's Scott the don't let pilots have been abroad again that that's being. Done, but with David Johnson injury clearly has affected his career. Based on what you see how much can we walk out? As to whether, he has to be able to get back to those levels the respectable. Often, I don't know I don't know because last year last year he didn't. and. It was. It was. David Johnson was strange because I loved him. I loved him coming out of college. And I think they drafted him in Arizona in the third round. If I remember right. ABS Iowa State and. It was because. He he didn't look explosive, but he was effective. And you can watch him cutting any made tremendous cuts. He followed blockers and then made tremendous cuts. He had a pretty good quick celebration bursts, but he never looked explosive the way some guys do and that sort of, but I think what he's lost with a knee injury is that cutting ability accounting just lockstep ability to stop and start from. from a standing start, which made him such an effective receiver as well as the runner and I think that was just just huge for them and you know. I. This is a team. That for all our talk about Bill O'Brien in about d'andre Hopkins, this team is going to win or lose because of their defense. And if their defense plays up. To ability. As often does. They could win games scoring only twenty points say. which would any team with to Shawn Watson? Can Do you know the accident himself? But I'm I'm not sure. How how efficient they're going to be Romeo's out as the defensive coordinator if the weaver is in, he might be better. Romeo tended to be kind of. What would you say passive defensively, he liked to stay in the same alliance read what was happening reliable jj water his other skilled rushers to to generate that rush. They may be a little bit more a officiant as a result. Of. A. New Younger Coordinator But It's still it's still a real question to me. Whether they can week in week out, do that and whether bill's has this team. You know and I don't pay much attention to the mouth clowning over to Shawn Watson. Right sorry. Over Diane Rahab heads losing. But you know does bill actually had this team does star they on the same page to they know what he? Is Looking for you know what what it is. He thinks going to win games for them and it's a great. I it's a great point and I'm with you as well as I could easy cheap shots a- would that deal and hey, he allows laugh at it. You never know and we've seen that before right with the Amari cooper deal everybody it. To Nick your phrase all the Mouth Finds Salihi destroy. The. For that dealer and and of course that played out a as we know pretty effectively and so that could still happen move steal and promise. It might see the moment but I I take plan and kind of leaning more towards looking at a fair amount of a Texas season looking at the way that they played many games they looked. LEGIT and you know I'm not so sure that they aren't. That's great. That's a great point. I don't think there was any doubt. that. Rebels players knew what rebel expected of them. Knew how he wanted to win each each game. And that may be that may be what the difference. Between. These teams is is going to be because I'm not I'm not sure and in the rest of the division, how much realistic I think the colts will probably be better with rivers quarterback. 'cause riverside attack. He I think he does his career, right? He does one of the things that happened last year and it might be down to quarterbacking I don't know but their offensive line was nowhere near as effective as it had been the year before when it looked like what? One of the best events lines. That line still has so has the talent there it's intact. Bob From. Two years ago and. I think if they can protect rivers. I think he's in a pretty good situation. To make things happen if t Y. Hilton stays. Healthy. Then, he's got, you know one of the best receivers in the League I'm not sure they. They did enough to credibility around him, but they took pittman in the draft with their first pick and I think he's a kind of NFL ready receiver and. You know I it it's a difficult one to put all your money on one player but. They've also got Marlin Mac. A Jonathan. Taylor may be a bit overrated community out of Wisconsin, Wisconsin running backs often are, but you know I think if they can if they can play defense. And they've had a good defense, the last couple years, but a small one and They've depended on quickness and speed putting deforest buckner in the middle of that defense certainly is is a good step a good step forward and. I think that they're they could be ready to move up by like Frank Reich as a coach. You know I think he's another guy kind of you. Know I mean link them sometimes with Doug Peterson but I think he's in that mole old. A player a players coach and and he he knows he makes it obvious what what he wants you know and how they're going to play, and one of the other interesting things didn't get noticed much was they signed Sheldon Day as well from the forty niners. Sheldon Day and Buckner were the starting tackles in the Super Bowl. And you know day was a rotational tackle just happened that they were starting then but but you know but that's that to me is a pretty good improvement for defense that needed a bit of Balk in the middle you needed to be able to stop the run up the middle. So I think. I would not be surprised to see another kind of three way rush in this division where they're beating each other and and coming down to see who could finish ten and six at the end of the year. Is that Jag the jags the jets of the south yards? I. Think. So I I'm not sure you know the jags are you want depend on? Minster having another. No if you have another season, they'll be six ten. Had A better season than last year or or being able to work mini shoe madness for an entire season I. Mean I'm not sure that's the way I'd WanNa. Go into. Is Bad matter wasn't it? Shoot man with the mustache with the money. He do that you know and then when they signed. Mike. Glennon I just thought. What are they looking for someone who can fit into Nick FOLES JERSEY? Game me a quarterback who six, foot, six or Or Taller and skinny they they put their eggs in the men's shoe basket and I got to make sense right twenty one touchdowns six picks completed over sixty percent of his passes for working about as a huge amount around. Yeah and I don't mean to be putting him down. Because I thought he he was probably the best rookie quarterback in the league last year, he probably should have been. Given more notice for that. But I, think he was playing it kind of the limit of his expert or his talents, a lot of the time, and that coaches are going to recognize that and make it harder for him this time around He. He's very good when things break down he's very good at creating out of breakdown a much. So I'm not so sure is good if you keep him in the pocket and make him find receivers. I'm not sure if he's got the receivers to make him to make him better. You know I'm not sure they've improved the offense one iota I think they could back to being a good defensive team. you know I I. Think I think Despite losing a lot of talent picking up Henderson and Chiasson both in the first in the first round, helps their defense lodden and it's easier for rookies to make an impact on most teams a most team's defenses and they've got the God guys back. High draft picks back who want to be able to do something for them. So you know I, see them being decent defensive team, but I really don't see the offense. Being, that good and I don't really have that much faith in Doug marrone much as I like him. As a guy you know he's the hot seat Mike in the NFL right in the Doug marrone. Aw Matt Patricia. Well I. Think who? I think Patricia in a better position to survive the hot seat this year and I think they've improved. I think those two and gays are certainly three coaches who probably have to make at least a playoff run if not gay into the playoffs to be able to survive. Given all things being equal and that's another thing we don't know about this season is. How he things will be one skies start coming down with the virus. Having to go into quarantine or anything like that. But but I approached him doing my previews all summer deprive approached everything is being as if all these guys are going to play. GonNa play well, I get city where we can't incidentally will. Preview dropping at shortly as well. So we'll find out more in that. Might. Be. going. We'll still be doing this when the in season dry going to be a trouble that she can only choose toby's go to heart out that I'm going to be the took less we grapple through to the West End Mike, and maybe we are saving the best at till law. Suddenly the Kansas City chiefs many people think to your point on the base we get something resembling will malady in this season. Be The team to be just in the West. But in the AFC you look at how much continuity they've managed to apply in pretty much bringing back every body that got them to the promised land last season, the chiefs going to be there thereabouts again this year I know they have to be there they're about some because that offense is is going to be pretty good I mean do Rene Tardif was the first guy to opt out of the season so they'll have a couple of questions on the offensive line but I, think they'll be. Able. To plug that. Now, I've got two things that. Make me hesitate to pick them to win the whole thing and one. One is Steve. SPAGNOLO Knowle's career as defensive coordinator where he he's had good years and come up with great playoffs schemes and then not been able to repeat that the next year which is. Not to be able to keep up. The second one is a lot of things went right for Kansas City during that playoff run. which is you know, and I've said this a couple of times in various circumstances it's not to put them down but they got a lot of breaks in key games especially in the Super Bowl and against New England and that kind of thing tends to level out I don't have any conspiracy theories about it like some people have have digested. But I think that's GonNa make it a little bit tough from four that mess along with the fact that every super bowl champion that has a tougher time schedule wise and teams gearing up. For, gearing up for them to play but. What are the things that I think he's maybe a little bit overlooked here is. When a team has a successful season and ultimately. Wins a super bowl. It is off the. Dismantled both in sub supply personality plays cashing in on that success but also coodinators getting plucked because they had such a successful season, but they hung onto the enemy was. Highly rated and league through the few gigs but but didn't ultimately lad one maybe it wasn't interested i. take you on at this. This time said that this continuity factor with cheese both in terms of the play personnel but also the coordinating citing seems to be a lot stronger than other other teams which can lends itself to this city arguments sutton to to having a serious shot repeats it. I think the thing with the enemy was that every Everybody sees him as an Andy Reid. byproduct. And that he's, he wouldn't necessarily have that success without read doing the game doing the game planning or building the team around him or whatever. Now that hasn't stopped that hasn't stopped people from hiring guys like Nagy right now who is Andy? Reid. Offensive Coordinator So no I think it's unfair and I think be enemies probably got from what I've seen probably got some of those. Non Accident, Ole. Attributes that that head coaches need. You know I think he would be the kind of guy who steps in and takes command you know and and is able to. Project his vision on the team. So they know they know what they do. The chiefs strangely enough fleet two teams that return the highest percentage of starter snaps. From last year buffalo with had eighty, eight percent of the snaps that were taken by starters. Last season are back with the team and Kansas City as eighty five. And I think that might have been before do grenade tardiff. OCTA now but but still that's a very high percentage because like you say, the disease of me takes over and all these guys who were you know key super bowl players think they need to be rewarded as if they're all star players. OFTENTIMES, they're key super bowl players because they're a good team and their their their abilities are well-judged to team. They're not necessarily going to come in and turn team into a super bowl team but you know when you look at who they lost, they lost a lot of big name players with those big name players didn't really contribute all that much they weren't on the field I think candle fuller's from the biggest one. Of the guys they lost and they have guys who could replace him the dots are actually had out of the season isn't back defensively. So that the Patriots unsurprising patches slept the chiefs on surprisingly. The favorites for the division is it Denver they're going to run them closest I? Think. So but a lot of that depends on whether lock is the key. I. Get it I got. Yeah. Drew Lock. I mean elway thanks drew lock is going to be a starting quarterback. elway is not. quarterbacks. As as we've seen he looked okay toward the end of the season and you know bill they're building an offense around him. they RIA that's you know they're giving him weapons to make to make life easier for him and and certainly he'll be better off than Then Joe FLACCO was I think he's fight better to Joe Joe FLACCO even even at this point even if Melvin, Gordon doesn't come back you know two hundred percent. Of what of what he is? They've still got trevor. Lindsey Philip Lindsay Philip Lindsey at at running back and Jerry. Judy. I think he was my pick the number one receiver in the draft at in terms of the guy who's GonNa come in play were you right away and I could do anything that you want him to do. So. So you know I think that's That's great. They're they're loaded at my tight end, they're going to be able to to block. For the for the running backs and. Seemed to be all on lock I mean not just the organization and the Judy at take point site in bed Isaacs made the point on this show just how complete a route runner is judy. So at just how? Reliable. He's to your point. He out of all of those about three talented collection receive is he's the one. Will. About say lobby look straight but I couldn't go that. Roll straight in and but so. He's he's had what fi what four one suffice starts last season every one I've spoken to a couple of Denver based John. Did the Broncos Europe puddle on surprise new broncos. Super fans on all of them. were. All it on lock. He's the guy. Have we seen enough of everybody it surprises me how everybody seems. It's a little bit like Garoppolo in that category had at the Patriots said everybody says well. He looks like the real deal king will I don't think he he didn't impress me as much as Garoppolo did on the Patriots but. Yeah I. Mean When you've got a year, what you've got the off season to study tape on the guy makes it harder you know the Garter- gardening. Gardner Minhsiu but I think he does I think he's he's got a certain amount of. Calmness about him when when he's playing and and that will fit in well with what they want to do, which I think will be a lot of play action with Gordon and Lindsey They've got the back they got a couple of other quick little backs who you know we'll be will be threats downfield, and the other thing is I think they could be a really good defensive team this year I mean, and that's the vange does a great defensive coordinator He's got at Donald L. Now as coordinator. I think they'll be a really good defensive team because I love. Vic. Fangio and I think that they've been building to give him the kind of players he wants. He knows what he's doing with four three's going back to the eighties. And Jim. Mora senior in the USFL offs and he's brought in Donald is another guy who goes back almost at far and he's worked with him before as as as coordinator. So you're adding giral Casey. To that group is is is just going to be good and and You know they picked up like Mike pursell out of the. Association American football. He looked good last year they've got they've got returning guys to take to build to build that front He's brought in a couple of guys who played for him. At. The bare. So they know the system. Todd Davis had monster season for the last year but Alex Johnston. WHO's an interesting story which I won't go into in great detail but his college career wise derailed. By. By criminal charges that took three years for him to be cleared of, and then he came back. He Davis could be a really great pair. At linebacker and they've got the outlaw Josey jewel. You know as well. They got a lot of guys. I like you know they took Derek Tusk Scout of North Dakota state WHO's. In round seventies, he's one of those kind of smaller college outside linebacker defensive end pass rush guys at all they have to do is you know Aj has to take over for Chris Harris and And they brought Kyle. What's his name candidate Callahan? From Chicago where he was a perfect fit. For. Fangio there. So yeah. I just I just think get their defense is GonNa to be really good and if if look if lock. If lock can play as well as he did, they should be the challengers. For for them in this division in the other two in the division. The right now in. This way is. Going to be as good as peyton manning was the year they won the super bowl with Peyton was awful because that's all he's Aston or that's always he has to do. Yeah. I guess a similar balance. Yeah. was was was the dominant aside of that team. Okay. Well, if the Broncos you make a compelling case for them Mike I'm so definitely that the broncos are going to be contenders in the division. chose. The rate is are as well because they. Were strong for or at least capable for much law season question marks clearly coming from gruden that len what else about about Derek Carr he's definitely a player on on the seat, but they bombed reupped with weapons around him this time around. So where the Las Vegas rate is sitting in the West. At the slot machines. It's GonNa be it's GonNa. Be a good role for the man and GonNa slots the ones where you can win a million dollars with one if the right spin or is that a well, they drafted a guy called Lynn Boden. WHO Is Weird because he played they list him as a running back but he was a wide receiver in college except he played quarterback last have senior year. As running as a running quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a slot receiver in in this offense. And maybe they try. To open things up a little bit they. They still don't really have a downfield kind of guy which would which you would sort of expect but but he does tend to like bigger possession sort of receivers if you if you think back to to his head coaching in. Tampa. And Oakland Oakland before that and I think that they're. In year three of what is probably a five year plan tiny a plant based on his contract. Yeah. I mean he made I. WanNa give too much way too soon. But I there at the point now where they're where they're definitely going to be a legitimate. Contender. A team that can could be difficult for almost any team. To be and you know and I think. They've got a huge offensive line with some good players on it and I think they can. They'll be able to run run behind that and I think that the the only real question. To me, I don't trust Greg Olsen offensive coordinator and I'm not sure whether it's here or Gruden. Who makes the makes the calls but I really think that you might be able to get more out of Derek Carr rather than complaining about what he can't do. An concentrate on what he can do because I think he's pretty actually a pretty good quarterback and. They've sort of built from the line outward. They've done the same thing defensively it's it's a good strategy. It's it's one that depends on your having enough time to implement it. So I think I'm not looking for them to do a big run this year but I think there will be a decent dissenting I'm with your own cars. While I think he is one of the underrated plays in the NFL and I'm excited about it a lot. The rugs is is. A racing lost his spirit of al the rugs pick in the draft. Yeah I. I'm sorry I should have said I should've mentioned because I said, they don't have a downfield threat but that's why draft that's why they drafted rug so. That would have been a pick that dumb that Al Davis would have been happy with and I think. I'm just GonNa Change what I said a little bit just in the sense that I think. Car Can hit a downfield receiver I. Think People were saying they don't have a downfield receiver because car can't hit one I think that's false. Car will benefit from from him stretching fields. which leaves us the charges. Being. Used to be the chart, the San Diego chargers the How just walk out with the over under is how many? You Drop San Diego, charge this season like this year another year away now I wonder if. Going five on on the show this coming season. Eric. Can you drop Sandiego judges five times? I would I if I were a betting man I'd bet the over. Of, course I can I can fix that. So it's It's like betting on meetable no-ball with the first ball the over. Say how. Many is it again same question. that we've lost about a few other teams. tyrod Taylor is the defacto starting you thinking there's a lot to like I guess about the Star quarterback that he is going into a offense like this. How long do you think they row tyrod Taylor, before they look just it's kind of fits situation. Although they you know obviously, they don't quite have the Herber doesn't quite have the demand to play the two might hype around him. To play even though he went, you know as a higher pick what were they below Anthony Lynn likes? Taylor. You know they played in Buffalo. and. He can survive in a way that Philip rivers couldn't if they don't rebuild their offense line They had. They tried to wait Oakham who is always injured nodded Brian Blaga who's always injured but at least looks like curly from the free three stooges. So that makes up for it some day. It's an interesting thing because they lost Gordon. I'm not sure what? What. What they did otherwise to to to sort of create more threats in their offense. Defense I think they're another team that could be really good and and I love Kenneth Murray as a draft pick behind behind Melvin Ingram joy boasts on the outsides he covers a lot of ground. So so they can they can sort of. They can sort of play with Gus Brad these the coordinator they can sort of modify it at three four look into a sort of Seattle style for two with Leo. Sort Leo Pass Rush Linebacker, defensive end, stroke linebacker, and. I think that makes a lot of sense for them and so if they get if they get Derwin James Back. James Stays healthy I say. I think he's one of the. Top three or four football players in the NFL. What when you when you say like who are the best football players? It's like you watch him play do you think this is why this is? Why would Paul? Exists is for guys like him to be going all over the field popping up where they shouldn't be making plays. They probably should be able to make making making defense better than her, but I'm not sure that that defense is up to Denver's standard, and I'm not sure that the weapons are up to Denver Standard. So I find I find the chargers sort of if they're good they could be in Oakland level but if Oakland actually improves then they're gonNA, leave the chargers in dust and for the for a team in La who have barely enough concentration for one glamour team in that city, it's such a waste. The like. HIPPEST coolest uniforms in football you know with with one of the great offensive traditions in football right? Kind of plane playing pounded outdoor Yeah and and not living up to that reputation. So. I do see the I do see them sort of being the fourth place team in the division. Also one of the great team songs in in this difficult as well. The seventeen seventy egos. To be, redone, now, but we should take. The sat it's a shame isn't it? You know I think yourself a disco somewhere in New York. The late seventies that was flagging. Carlson had the bell bottoms on. The big. The Big Tom Selleck Tash. Drowned, I drown one of the fish in my platform shoes dancing to. What I would do if I were the NFL I would I would try to get Paris Hilton to by the team that her great. Grandfather I think I don't think it's great grandfather Barron Hilton actually found it actually in the afl I'd bring her back as the owner and. Kind of restore a little glamour to the. Cameron Diaz. Any given Sunday? Yes, exactly. She would just. Moved to Vegas. So we found up to in Vegas that's what would happen if if nominee NFL is the. Major League or something like that where you have to lose. Go to and twelve to be able to get to and fourteen to be able to get out of your lease moved to another said. Contractions of the contortions you have to go through to actually be able to do that. Are Insane. Might. We've done it. We've got through the AFC I think I was pretty Pacey, right? That was any about well I pretty sure we're. GonNa put this into two parts only Shali our producer will Rizzoli nodding is all uniting way then Naughty Golf I is. Well. Then we've accomplished our first. Hey. Let's come back and do it. Well, it's only. The. End to see. My strategy, I can put the producers to sleep early. Then I can say what I want you remember the time when you know. Figure try to embarrass me now they'll going to do it I've got a bug it. But it was one of my favorite parts of US do the League in Channel Four's channel five days. Didn't die before the state. Yeah No one noticed. It was like homer what visit the blackjacks. His glasses on and has to be honest with you. I just need to have like three or four questions wasn't you make of that play Mike and a few others recorded and we'd get away with it. That's the when we used to do on channel. Four, we would do the for a couple of years. We did the Monday night game on Tuesday nights. And shuttle shuttle five, Channel Five. Sorry. Until five, we did the Monday night game. Nights and the way we did it was we do an introduction, and then they would put an edit together of they would just edit out the commercials basically of the first quarter, and then come back to us between the quarters and the year that nate was born, which was in October. And I was you know getting like three hours sleep a night I came in and we did the opening and everything was fine and then the voice in my ear from. The production assistant says. Part seven first-quarter forty, six minutes. And they turn the studio lights down and there were still forty five minutes and thirty seconds left when I started snoring. With about a minute to go. The producer Pete Hussy came in my ear and said anything you want particular Mike. Off what what he said, don't worry I picked out a couple of things I'm sure you'll be both ad Lib over the. First Time eventually that. Those were the days. Well, we dusted the AFC preview in the bag we say, but the NFC. So that is drop in Newport Catholic choice very very suits keep is in his pill that as you alluded to more than is you efforts might be precise during the show you previewed every division in detail. And you patio and call them. So that's pot co dot com slash Mike Calls An f. m. t. e. right that's it. The last addition comes out tomorrow. And we've we've finished finished all late. And you'll probably hear some of the jokes. Except you won't hear them you'll be reading but. But. Yeah. But it goes into great detail. Really. It's a learning thing for me I really do try to. Figure out WHO's got? WHO's improved themselves and some of the guys that we probably may not ever hear of, but you know might make might make an impact. You know that way I can sort of say oh. Yeah I was I was onto him when he was undrafted. Like I mentioned Kirk Mary's one of my favorite undrafted guys. This year you know there's there's a few who who every year will come. We'll come through and. Back in the NFL Europe days, it was great because if you paid attention to those guys, a lot of them would then resurface in NFL Europe. Then some of those guys would use that extra time and experience to make a team the next the next autumn. So they was really good from that point of view and it's one of those reasons why I think the NFL ought to have a a development. He'd it's in Europe but but it would be a good thing for them to have while the rock sport the XFL now. So maybe it's true that that's an interesting thing too because you know the Rockwood not by a league, you would think to run developmentally per se you would think you would be looking for some. Kind of entertainment Big Time entertainment value. Beyond that but I, I actually think that a development league. On, a low scale is viable operation Especially when you keep the expenses down, I don't think people watch the XFL this year expecting Major League football. I think just looking for quality you know for for exciting you know. Football and maybe guys if they could spot in the future in the NFL well, if you made the move and. That to me take Lisa fighting the rock might have ambitions for it, but it's not happen overnight and be. You can maybe have both right where you have. Collection of stars that could conceivably I'll tell you one thing draft day. Would be more interesting when rock walks out and says with the first pick of the XFL draft. Can you taste? Amazing. Just all the greats for the nights at Stone Cold Steve Austin could could come out bit With the draw pick the comes up crack open a bear with. The endless possibilities. The NWEA for the Vegas pick I mean, this would be it would be it would be it would be great. You know and. You have two ways to go. Three ways really you could. You could. You can do what the XFL did and more or less try to compete in NFL cities in the off season because you're not competing but you're you're picking cities, you think our football man, you can do what the United League in the AF did. which I still think has some legs in it, which is to go to nine NFL cities and teams, and in right now you know San Diego's available Oakland's available at the usual suspects like Portland, Orlando and San, Antonio were available. So they're pretty good cities with. Some of which have pretty good football filings, Rios of Edible Mike by the way. Reno to compete advanced and or you can do the minor league kind of thing where you were. You have your team's all in Florida. Were you know all in the south or Florida and Texas or something like that were your ideas to just display these guys before smallish crowds maybe even A Small College Stadium Tie School Stadium Good Sized High School stadiums were Sir number of in Florida. And do a kind of like NFL Europe. Where but your travel expenses are low? The rest of your expenses are low and you know it becomes it can still be a TV product on that small scale because the keyed entities leagues is generating enough audience for TV to put your to foot the bulk of your bill. Gates. Not, GonNa do it. Especially in the early years when you really want on undersell, you want you want to sell cheap so you can build up your audience paid fan base yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love stopped bike as bachelor dot com slash Michael Seventy two more of Mike starting. He will be back for the NFC preview to be drop in at some point. In August, NGO catches me get set foot. We hope is a timely have prompt start to the season fingers crossed. Four that reduce particularly I, WanNa thank you for your contributions on the show today. Yes. I mean I did see one of your boys running around behind you but he asked that frankly audio throwing. Yeah, he didn't start barking so he didn't balk. Lewd she got A. Big With parachutes out of the window. To Call Treble Code on such. Such is the lockdown style contact creation that we've been going through over the last few months that hey, we're getting closer to normality close to the start of the season. So Mickey that hope this episode has wetted your appetite certainly I've met. From the Great Iron Mike loop with check in with very soon. Okay thanks to we'll do the AFC the NFC next him well. There's only two of them I ought to be able to talk. Slick. Guy That we got that in the end lots diamond stuff for mind. Mike. It s he preview and he will be back from all. 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Lasting Impression: Frank Caliendo

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

1:20:43 hr | 1 year ago

Lasting Impression: Frank Caliendo

"That's what she said is presented by ziprecruiter ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire that's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she said what. She says that's what she said. Welcome to. That's what she said. Conversations with interesting people wolf the world of sports music comedy more talking about their lives careers successes and failures. My name is frank calendar and my dilemma is coming up with a dilemma for this promo listen. It's a sure sign that a guy has a custom pool with a slide that goes through a mountain jn on a compound that he calls kellyanne. Oh compound in the middle of arizona. I believe it's arizona is assigned to that when they can't come up with a dilemma. I mean you ask a guy for a simple dilemma. It could really be anything it could be much short too tight in the seat. Today it could be people suck at driving it could be my in laws annoy me and yet somehow frank kellyanne. He of the perfect golden life is most troubled by the fact that i asked him that question and i'd like stay you could judge him terribly and assume that this is going to be a brutal interview because what kind of guy i can't even come up with a little dilemma but as it turned out i think it's pretty cool dude and we had a great conversation so i'm going to let them off the hook. This time and i'm going to tell them that his dilemma is that he doesn't have a dilemma which makes people think that he doesn't have any dilemmas which makes people think think that he's a jerk because everybody got their something and that's the only dilemma he has. I guess which is again no dilemmas. How does the commission fix that the commission's spoken fokin. This week's guest is frank kelly endo a comedian and impressionist. You know him from mad t._v. Frank tv e._s._p._n. Fox n._f._l. L. sundays he had a vegas show countless other appearances and we don't really interesting conversation. I've gone to his show live <hes> he's worked with e._s._p._n. A ton and you're used just seeing him be this sort of manic frantic back and forth between all the characters that he does and it's hilarious and it requires an incredible talent but i loved getting to talk to the the man who actually became that impressionist and what brought him to that his his baseball past and how he sort of started comedy behind the plate as the catcher turn youth baseball <hes> how he learned that honesty makes his impressions come to life and makes them more than just mimicry which impression he gets asked to do the most which ones are the toughest to to pull off <hes> and how we sort of evolved and changed since he started out and wanted to make that joke every second instead of becoming someone who wanted to be more honest honest with himself and his family and his storytelling in between the punchline so the conversation started so we're gonna jump right in right in the middle. Here's my interview with frank kellyanne. That's what she said. I was like to start the beginning and it's fun to start at the beginning with you because you're from chicago. Which is where i'm from well but then you went to wisconsin. So at what aged did you end up in waukesha. I was four years old. My dad worked for a place color. A company called caloric corporation which made ranges stoves and microwaves and stuff like that it was a part of a bigger umbrella company called raytheon in what he he moved. He was the regional manager or something like that for the wisconsin region from coming. I was born in elmwood park illinois. I was actually born in cook county chicago area and then when i was four we moved here for his are there for his job to the waukesha area and what happened actually there along the way was he was like the district manager for this for that company they would scott yes and he would sell stoves to all the big and little stores well. All those stores basically evaporated right they they went away because little stores where you buy i <hes> kitchen appliances and stuff don't exist in exist anymore. It became more like the best buys and stuff like that so then his position was eventually eliminated. He ended up working as a high school. Guidance counselor later which i thought was the craziest thing in the world that my dad was guiding other kids a range yeah. They're jell o no hope that's fantastic but in in terms of going off on tangents things things people really don't care in terms of my dad but that was a lesson for me that you could lose your job at any point and to take a chance and i heard jim carey talk talk about this in one of his like any biographies or something. His dad lost his job later in life and jim carey. We went out to hollywood and started. Hey i'll take the chance and go do it. You only live once so that's kind of how i was tying it in back to where where it was my wife's from cleveland by the way in here from cleveland right so i was born in cleveland but just like you and even earlier we left for four of a suburb of chicago when i was two so i've been less of a connection to cleveland and thankfully my parents were not sports fans so they didn't force me to grow up with any allegiance to cleveland teams. I'm planning on getting divorced anyway so i'll get rid of my ties cleveland imperfect. I've totally kidding about that right. No i think it's worth it right just a divorce myself from cleveland now. My wife and i are extremely happy. Kareem happy incredibly happy when you said it for a second time. It made it a little less believable talking at the same time. I think i'm gonna keep growing up in waukesha where you into sports growing up or were you more of like the i'm sitting at home and i'm watching saturday night. Live were listening to comedy cds so now. I didn't watch a lot of comedy at all when i was a kid. My dad was a former minor leaguer in the white sox organization nine yeah just a few years he played with the sarasota sun sox now defunct but we grew up playing baseball basketball football. Even though you'd think wisconsin's more of a hockey type of state as well it was really those three <hes> <hes> and we played baseball mostly that was that was my sport because i'm five six and i could hit a little bit but i never had the arm or wasn't really fast enough in terms of true athletes but growing up we were around a lot of work for a guy named <hes> mike higgins. You remember my keegan. He was a played with the as and <hes> his dad was jim again so couple minorly <hes> league baseball players but there was indoor baseball softball and basketball place called mike higgins grand slam and i was one of the token givers and my brother used to throw batting practice to craig counsel all the time craig was coming up this year. He played in whitefish bay dominican. I think was was the school he went to and i was we were we were still in middle school at the time and they wear their creek was a team of all stars from wisconsin that went to urban dale iowa and won the national championship eighteen and under here for a._a._u. Baseball that you're we were on the fourteen and under we were the wisconsin all stars as well he they were the wisconsin dukes and we won the nationals in urban dale iowa's well so in that i think it was the second year of eighty you baseball. I was named an all american. I believe yes my last time. They saw what this that was fourteen hundred nineteen eighty eight nine hundred eighty nine at the trophy behind me a picture with the trophy behind that yeah i i'll i wanted to do was play baseball. When i was a kid you ever hear <hes> billy crystal talk. I would spit liepa ratio. I would throw like louis upper. I just wanted columbia aparicio so that was that was mad. As one i had pictures of benito santiago and all kinds of of baseball players in my room <hes> those old super cool posters that <hes> that will clark and the the those types of post jose can saco bash brothers all that stuff so baseball was was my whole life all the way through they basically senior year in high school and i was a catcher i became a catcher i think because people looked at my stature churn thought of me like in the bad news bears or something but i would talk doesn't have to crunch right right. That's pretty close to it and i would talk to all the batter's so i talked to the ump's and joke with the bumps and do different voices and stuff. Maybe not impressions of famous people but i would mess around with the batter's. There's a lot in the ump's always had a lot of fun with that but i think that was my first. Time kind of really performing was behind the plate so that's cool so did you a- as as your then growing up through high school and you're you know you're focuses on baseball. Your family's really into sports <hes>. Where does the comedy come in. Does it is it is it perhaps puberty the and being your height verse six feet when i was twelve so i started to be very funny because i was deeply uncomfortable killed the b. six feet at i bet you probably would have been happy at five six i would've been i would've had a lot better chance at the dance. That's for sure you made all the all region and state teams didn't you. Yes yes so i've been that's that's all i wanted. You have my life so oh well. I wanted to go into comedy. Is it too late for us to switch well. Let's just do it. Let's see if s._p._n. Figures it out so i i i don't really know i was. I was a chubby kid. So i think that was probably part of it too. I was very quiet up until still about maybe six seventh grade and then i kinda started breaking out of my shell and truly awkward with girls. Just terrible could even say hello or just like the worst and just see a confidence problem. My dad used to get mad at me because he's like you. Gotta have confidence not even with girls just like in anything. It's like you got confidence like you're not helping it right now so yeah i think a lot of it's a defense mechanism awesome but i just like to hold court when we would travel on the road with the baseball teams and stuff you go to the hotel. Nobody's got anything to do at that time. People didn't bring their xboxes xboxes with them in the hotel rooms so we just be in the lobby teams would be hanging out and i kind of hold court and beate and people would pay attention so i think that was a bigger part of it was sports for me brought me into what i do comedy wise because that was my social will where my social set came from yeah social currency which is why you're the wordsmith and i'm just the smith but yeah i didn't i tell people that get into comedy and drama and acting all that kind of stuff i say pay attention to your english. Classes classes social studies history. I didn't pay attention any of that stuff and i wish i had because i was so into just the sports stuff which pays off in many ways but i wish i was a little more well rounded growing up because anytime you can use those references <hes> it's it's great and the the fact that i know things maybe not even specifics anymore but i remember andrea scholar ragas batting average being at the top of the u._s._a. Today rectangle in the bottom corner of the paper and stuff that was that's what i spent most of my high school doing that and asking somebody to go grab me snacks from the vending machine so just that well rounded but sports definitely ties into my comedy i think and i honestly i don't think i i may not have ever tied again. That might be a revelation on your show today. Say wow. I love being around for those. Perhaps perhaps to cause them to go to university of wisconsin milwaukee. I i went to parkside. Though i was going to play baseball at the university of wisconsin parkside a bunch of my friends that play we played some travel baseball together and and stuff were a little better than me. Parkside was division to school and i was gonna walk on there and then i got to my first college classes and i took a calculus this class and i'm like it was a night class and it was like this is way too much for me. I ended up dropping it but i was also like i can't spend i'm not going anywhere in baseball and all i can do is hit. I'm not good enough. They're looking for five to players. I have zero so <hes> so i went to parkside for your and then transferred to university scott's milwaukee partly because they had a broadcast journalism mass communications set of courses audit okay and did you know at that point so like at some point around that time when you're thinking about what's next what am my doing with my life entertainment and comedy became more of a serious thing. I thought i wanted to be more of the. I thought i wanted wanted to be a sports. Caster thought that's where i wanted to go. I thought i wanted to work as like an e._s._p._n. Sportscenter anchor even a local anchor later peter when you're watching like i don't i'm trying to think of the right age for this was the hat on time at like the big show was over. One hundred percent would absolutely make sense sense that you'd be watching that and thinking okay this gets to combine the things i like most sunday night doing bits basically while giving us our sports absolutely seinfeld on thursday in and cheers i think at the time and then that was at parkside with my friends and then we would get back early on sundays to watch patrick and olbermann and that that was a that was a big deal to us so yeah that i realized later when i went to e._s._p._n. And was around there more that i did not have the brain to be e._s._p._n. Anchor even in the least because you really had to know a history of more more indepth history and understand stats in. I think personally a little bit more then i did. I knew some baseball and i i knew some basketball and football but and i know people kind of have their specialties but at the same time i was looking in talking with people and just their vast knowledge of sports sports there is like i think i didn't try this because i would have been outmatched completely and i never would've gone the direction that i that i thought i could so. When did you make that turn. Or when did you decide to focus less on the sports side because i know you started doing stand up and stuff during college right yeah a little a bit i so i started taking classes at university of wisconsin milwaukee for broadcast because they didn't know anyone to do but i knew i knew i loved television. I knew i love sports and my my revelation was kind of this. I didn't like to be the interviewer as much as the interviewee right so i always wanted to be. We like somebody my goal in in television or whatever at that time was really just to be a guest on the tonight show joe just to be a guest on letterman. That's all i really and i got that. I wanted to be letterman so somehow ended up in the right roles here. See ah that's the thing though too because i remember talking to jimmy kimmel years ago and he said he did the n._f._l. On fox before i did and we're just talking about stuff for a little bit and he's like talking about how he didn't know what he wanted to do. He didn't want to be an actor really the he didn't wanna do sports per se. He's like talk. Show host is just kind of where i fall in. I'm like yeah. I i just like being a guest. I don't want to have to work that hard so there was a reality to that but i i i also had a problem and i don't know about you but if i was going to interview somebody for a project in school the you know for just a paper and pretending like it was a some type of real broadcasting situation. I just i didn't i didn't have the guts to go do that and it was hard for me to stick the microphone in front. Somebody just felt awkward about if you have that cube on it that says you're from e._s._p._n. Kick it gives you a a bit of credibility and gravitas in that situation i just i figured if i can't do this now. I'm not going to be able to do it later and so i i actually actually sw finished up my major which is broadcast journalism and then just started trying comedy. I went to a comedy sports class. As as i think a junior in college at whitsun comedy sports for people who don't know is an improv games type of art form not long form like second city where they do big long scenes. This is more jokey and and quicker quicker hits to the laughs and the first class. I took the guy's like you should try stand up like does that mean that terrible at improv he's like no but you do these little impressions and stuff and that would work in stand up so i went up to stand up comedy club. I got up and i immediately actually did extremely extremely well and the club owner came over to me and wanted me to start working there right away. I'm like i don't have this is all i have a three minutes. That's horrible three minutes. Just do that three minutes. I'm like well. What do i do for the other time because you want me to fifteen minutes. He's just to make some stuff open. We wish it was that easy. That's not what it is so i actually a hurt my back and i only had like five impressions. At the time i was still in college. I hurt my back and i was out for a while. I was this sounds ridiculous ridiculous. Now it sounded ridiculous. Then i hurt my back playing baseball and football in high school and middle school and i went down to tie my shoe shoe i turn wrong and i couldn't get back up at seventeen years old eighteen years so i'm a ninety year old man so in that time i learned to do a bunch two different impressions a couple of years or another year later. I went back to that comedy club and they started working me right away at the time. I'd worked on a bunch of more stuff there and gotten better at just creating a little bit of an accident at work some of didn't but the crazy thing was i started working right away. Nobody really we did that and i i try to use the analogy of it's like being a catcher in baseball and as i was a kid that they always tell you when you're a catcher you have the fastest way the major leagues as a catcher because there's so few people doing it and there's even fewer people doing it. Well while the impressions was like being catcher. Nobody at that time this is before youtube youtuber any type of social media. Nobody was really doing impressions and people who were were doing. Vaudevillian kind of rich literally type of nineteen eighteen fifties feeling stuff and i was leaving them all together because i i grew up loving jonathan winters and robin williams and kind of combining and talking to myself in the different impressions and putting out little scenes so that all evolved. I graduate from college. I'm like well. I don't know i don't really want to do the the sports casting thing. I don't think is directly for me. I just took my chance and to type back into the thing about my dad losing his job. When i was in high school and jim carey and his father i went out and just try to figure why not just go take a chance. Take the plunge and what do you got to lose. You're gonna go to oh claire wisconsin and try and be a reporter for a small local news station awake your work your way up. You probably probably the mid range. Even it's probably start smaller than that. Ah nothing against oakland. I'm just picking a smaller city but yes so i just i just took the chance tried stand up. Some college. Agents saw me and they're like so you need to be on the college circuit. How old are you twenty two years old at the time like you're talking to these. You're the same age as all these kids pretty much men it worked at i was nominated nominated for college entertainer of the year and college comedian of the year and did extremely well in that for a few years then you get to be twenty five twenty eight thirty already you start to look like the college kids dads more and then they don't wanna listen to you time for a quick break and then more that's what she said with sarahspain credit card bills every month you get them with multiple payments and multiple due dates. Wouldn't it be easier to just have one payment at a lower rate. You can with a credit card consolidation loan loan from my friends at light stream. You can get a loan from five thousand to one hundred thousand with no fees and you can even get your money as soon as the day you apply. The online application is so easy you can apply right from your phone. Lights believes that people with good credit deserve a better loan experienced and that's exactly what they deliver just for my listeners apply now to get a special interest rate <unk> discount the only way to get this discount is to go to light stream dot com slash spain l. i. g. h. t. s. t. r. e. a. m. dot com <hes> slash spain s. p. I n. subject to credit approval rate includes a point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply it offers are subject to change and without notice visit light stream dot com slash spain for more information. That's what she said. You end up getting onto mad tv. I there was a sketch comedy series hype up and then mad t._v. How long after you decided to take this plunging and go full in before you made it because it feels like you didn't have to wait that long and that's part of the problem. I didn't get to develop develop as myself and have my own voice. I was just this machine of impressions right so five. Maybe even five six years ago. I wouldn't have been i it could have talked to. You talked talking that i really yeah. You did okay so working on it. I'm working on past participles. At least they know the part of all right so i know brutal brutal is the language so you gotta get back on track doc in this 'cause. I threw myself off so badly with that so we're going to say that. You got lost impressions which actually want to get to okay but but i wanted to. I wanted to hear about about like the feeling of of not waiting that long before you get that break and how that may be yeah so i was i started. I graduated from college in wisconsin milwaukee in ninety ninety six. I was on. I was on television. I think i did craig kilborn set kelvin. Oh yeah you gotta love me who does kilborn nobody. Nobody demand right now so right so he that was like ninety seven ish so i was on. I'd already gotten on atv there by ninety nine. I had that show or i was. I got a development deal to do that. Show in two thousand called hype on on the w._b._z. at the time so when i first went to l._a. I just did a bunch of impressions for people and people were offering me all kinds of stuff because when you're new in l._a. It may not be the same now because people can see you on youtube and all that type of stuff but when you at the time when you when i went to l. a. people like who are you. Where did you come from. They were amazed. I couldn't even get on make me laugh on comedy central and i got a manager an agent that that week one of the the biggest agency in the world even at the time and i was in rooms with network executives and presidents. That's crazy. Yeah just just nuts i didn't have i didn't have enough. I didn't have enough things. I was really one dimensional and i was. I didn't as much which is i'm struggling to speak right now to get this idea out. It was that all the time before a constant as myself. I never would have been able to talk doc. I could do it in a room but not in a situation they're in or an interview like we're doing right now. I would have mealy just started going to the impressions going to the well and trying to be a a jokester. I've learned over time that it's more important to be interesting and i the audience determines that but it's more important to be interesting than trying trying to be funny all the time if you're trying to be funny people start to feel this thing about wow. You're really making an effort to be funny but if you're interesting people go yeah yeah. I want to hear more about who you are and that's part of the the difficult thing that situation that i've had it's been difficult. People are waiting for the next magic agic trick as an a person who doesn't prussians. They think of you like a magician. What's the next impression you're gonna do. It's never what you have to say. What do you think about something. It's what what does jon gruden think about this. I don't know ask them. I'm just going to like this for a second man or it's like music. Maybe like play free bird yeah most comedians when you've heard there. You don't expect to go see them. Live and have them do that bit again. Maybe if they have a voice or something that they go to but with you it's like you'd wanna on evolve and advanced people and they wanted to keep going back when i don't do like the like i do a little bit of the madness stuff in the show and stuff and if if i don't do specific things it's like people come to see a rerun. People come to see certain things and i have the right allen's that with totally different stuff and some people at a show. It'd be like well the same bit. You did three five years ago. I'm like yeah but i did an extra twenty minutes of other stuff just so i could do because i know people are coming to see that as well and there's i've actually gotten to the point where i've started a phase more and more of that stuff out because i've got the confidence to do more of the new types of stuff and have somewhat of a point of view of my own. Yes when you're putting together a show. Let's start with when when you're putting together comedy before maybe this recent rebirth where your understanding how people see you and maybe wanting that to evolve your elevating into comedy instead of copycatting. You can't just do a stream of impressions. They have to connect to each other. There needs to be a story to tell how. How do you do that because obviously you want it to be. A craft you wanna be observing things and not just and that goes a lot to the vaudevillian style of impressionist that i had seen before that the people who would just do lines for movies and it's funny because you'll even see that on youtube now. It's funny how impressions they don't evolve that much people just do. They do a lot of copycat piano often. Stop sounding the way that they do. Just suddenly get a change because your needs change a little roy. What would i like to do is find a take on the person is what is the what is the person doing and that you can do more inside of a sketch or talk more about a subject now sports analysts are the easiest is to do that with because what do they do. They break things down in the sporting event. You're watching during before and after so let's say we're talking about. Let's charles barkley charles barkley nestle ridiculous playwright there look at everything like so now i can take him and talk about anything anything in life breaking that down said that's a terrible terrible vacuum right there. Nobody will use it like all of a sudden. People are on board because they know where he's coming the other thing i've found with charles barkley and this is a lot of where i'm trying to come from an acting in my whole life. Now is honesty. Charles barkley is one of the few people people that you know you're going to get one hundred percent candid and honest answer from all the time. He's not really going to self censor and the for that reason they've even put them on c._n._n. I know he's part of the turner group. They'll be like what do you think about what's going on in the middle east right. Now i think is really crazy. That evidence happened in right there but it was really crazy is that you guys had on c._n._n. Knucklehead like he'll be honest about that in the middle of the interview the draymond green thing. I talk about this in my act like draymond in green he was so honest like i want to punch draymond green in the face. He said that on national television which was fantastic it was real honest right but then he apologized you know we had to apologize because they said you have to apologize. We don't want this to become worse and worse then. He apologized but with something he could live with. He went on t._v. And said apologize for recognizing acknowledging that draymond green has such a punishable that that's not an apology to cheat code but it's brilliant because it seems like an apology but it's also something he can live with and he's not the type of person. That's going to go out there and do anything but be real. The whole weight watchers thing that happened with them yeah just given money. This is simple and then weight watchers was brilliant because they realized that honesty was the best thing like yeah. It's that simple even charles. Barkley can do it and and get paid money to talk about it so it ex honesty in many times. You don't realize how much that can pay off. We're always so busy trying to hide stuff. I think and for me that's a big thing of where i'm trying to come from nowadays yet so people pleasing is a big part of comedy though and wanting the audience to like what you're doing. You know what you think you you think it is but and i've always thought it is but i don't know. I don't know if it's that one hundred percent and i'll tell you why because now if you are a a accommodate let's let's just use a comedian whose political politico okay your audience will find you online or on tv and then come to you and then they're already thinking along the same lines as you so. Is there people pauperising yes but it didn't start out that way. You're not trying to please everybody. You're trying to just have a certain group with your point of view that really fits and that that was the easiest for one for me to pick out because it's just when you narrow narrow it down the internet's made it so much easier to find your audience in terms of people used to have to go all the way around the country and there were only a few different or around the world there only a few different places. You could go on t._v. And people could see your comedy well. Now you can just do it anywhere online and you can do something very specific and with the hashtags and people i favoured re tweeting or what sharing it however people will find you that are looking with similar interests that you i used to have played a very broad audience and you couldn't be no now you can find people you're talking to and they will actually search you out but i guess what i mean is not people pleasing because i think you're right in some of some of it is taking risks and going with your gut and then driving people towards something interesting and different that they didn't even know they wanted but when you're trying to balance silence of show and you're saying i want people to get to know me better people to get to know the comedy. I'm doing and the choices. I'm making to make it funny not just mimicry agree. How do you balance. I'm gonna give you a little bit of this john madden because i know you want that but i want to also create something. That feels different than what i've been doing well. My the initial answer is i'm still learning that i get up on stage and if i don't work or mentioned something about voices upfront i i feel like i'm carrot top and the airline has lost my luggage because you can see people waiting for jeff done without the puppets. You can feel people going i. I there's another analogy you. You're going to see a live concert with for a band right before you ever see a comedian open up up for a band no but i did see a freak. Show okay so explain that well. It's like dude like picking up bricks with their genitals roles and the inch nails. It was my very first concert. It's seared into my brain forever because i was twelve but research was exactly i could see over everyone. Unfortunately i had a really great view of said genitals. I know i've only seen other their musical acts open for musical acts other than aforementioned freaks and one of the reasons for that is because if you're going to see music you are are in the mood for music before music. It's warm up music well a lot of times. They'll have comedians open up for a musician and the difficult thing about that. Is there any the music mode but you're up there trying to do jokes and you need silence in music. People will sing along. You don't need silence. It's always there. Silence silence is very important to have pauses in comedy and the analogy is this the impressions for me are the band. I am the comedian before for the band so you can feel people. I can feel it and it's getting better but i can feel people going. This is going to start doing as john man. Dan listen settle for some jeff goldblum right now. It's it's that kind of feeling and just a little bit of confidence. Some of it's me you being a little bit too. <hes> aware of it and you have to block some of that out and other comedians who've had more time working on the craft and and not becoming going right to the machinery of stuff which is what i did and working and being in a lot more situations where they bombed early and it gave them a lot more strength in those situations. I have to because i don't. I really don't mind bombing with an impression because it's not me if it's me deep bombing as myself. There's a little more to it. You know it's a little more personal and it hurts a little bit more because you're not it's not the puppet failing pulling. It's the puppeteer so i do try and balance it. Though i'd get up there i mentioned some of that. I i work some different things in i talk a little bit about up my family i get into the voices and then for the rest of time i go back and forth. That's why i've been doing a lot of smaller club. Dates is it allows the proximity doc semi of how close the audience is to you and the the smallness of a comedy club really gives you the feeling to experiment more as opposed to to a theater or a casino or a corporate type of event where you can't do that kind of stuff. It's it's much harder to get people to go along and follow you one weird tangents whereas where i really want to go right now so you mentioned sort of the feeling of it hurts more. It's the puppeteer and puppet taking the blows. Do you feel like you've used that ability to move in and out of various characters to keep distance from people avoid situations in real life yeah no. I don't think so i i mean i shouldn't i shouldn't go to the answer that quickly that that just tells you that it's a defense mechanism. No i don't think so because i am not like that at all in real life in real life i i'm not doing anything like that and maybe years dozen years ago but once they had kids everything chains. I have a daughter and a son and i'm a i'm a ball a puddle of mu- mush right now. It's just i cry at the silliest things like especially like a sports movie like the rookie or something like that. That was the no no not rookie of the year. That'd be ridiculous. <hes> no like the natural are just baseball movie but the rookie is when i i can't remember who it is but i played buddy holly dennis quaid yeah dennis quaid worry comes out and throw in a ninety five miles an hour as an old man and he goes back can starts playing again after a surgery and all that kind of stuff those tear jerker things. They said that dennis quaid. I met him years ago and and was like oh that just made me cry. That's what's supposed to do but i think years ago. Maybe it was a way to put on a show show so people didn't talk to me. I do think that but now it's just kind of what i do and it's an easy way to get a laugh. I'll tell you ah that's you go into that. It's pretty simple but there's also i've found honesty can do that same thing. People just aren't really ready for honesty all the time. Think about that little bit. When you're honest with somebody it gives sometimes it gives somebody that little bit of shock and they a they love the element of shared experience right yeah. I've had that yeah that's exactly. That was my ah one hundred percent. That's what it is so honesty and comedy. They do go hand in hand. It's just a little bit of a different tool in the box. I guess so to speak but they're very similar when you think about it. I don't know if i've ever i know people say honesty is the best comedy but i never thought about why but it's shocked because you don't hear that much honesty and then the shared experience that that bridges the gap that you know there's other things in common like assumption where somebody gets you going one way and then bags back but that there's nothing better than honest comedy and something oh i know exactly where you're coming from on that you've been talking about honesty a lot and and obviously it's gonna drive. You know you're especially if you're doing observational comedy or it's going to affect the perspectives that you give to the characters that you're doing the impressions that you're doing but it also feels like that's something that is sort of new to you and that's why it's dominating the front of your brain. You're wanting to come back to it. What are you being honest about that you weren't before or or why is it so so front of mind for you. Well first of all. I took an acting class. I live in the phoenix area and with a guy named matt deering hiring and he opened my eyes to what acting actually is i always thought acting was performing for people but true acting is replicating inexperience replicating feelings and reliving that so to speak in the acting situation or in the in the scenario you're in. I always thought it was okay. I'm gonna put on a show. The show is the show is what you get is the the end result of all the cogs dogs being put into place when you're acting you really are just trying to be honest in that situation and that opened my eyes to. I was always putting on a show. I was always going and my comedy was. Hey look at this magic trick. I was actually at the things i was mad about like. Hey why do they always want the next magic trick because i there's always just giving them the next magic so that's why it's at the forefront. What am i trying to be more honest about where i come from things. Why do i see z. Something instead of just getting to charles barkley and doing the voice like i talked about before just what it would be more. Was that stuff i did talk about with charles barkley being honesty honest and that's why people do love him so it's about finding the truth behind that if it's in the character and for for me it's about sharing experiences about family and life <hes> that i probably never would have done if i was with a gun. Why does anybody why would somebody find that had interesting. What people do i don't understand. Why but people do their inherently interested in other people's lives especially when when you've been on tv or played a character that people know they want to find out more about you and i think part of part of prolly ali the reason i didn't understand is i'm probably narcissist level and i never cared as much. I don't think i don't think when i was younger. I just kinda was me but having doc kids and a narcissist would assume that everybody was interested in you because you're the most interesting thing around guests i mean so i was an anti hi narcissist selfless at all times thinking only of others mother teresa's frank. I didn't have any way to put those together very yeah but tried and i struggled mother keesa yeah. Thank you yeah so what would that. It's weird well. It's not just the the if you've spent a life curate these great impressions and stepping into other people. You know that people want that. Yes so maybe it's hard to say but do you also want me without all that because this is running that you're asking for you. That's that's why you're the skilled professional one hundred percent. That's it it's but in isn't it funny that i'm thinking about in terms of these impressions. I'm interested in the people doing the impressions of and maybe i'm not as famous as those people but people are interested in people they've seen they wanna know their stories right and that that's something i've come to. I ah it's weird because a lot of people say to me and i still think they're wrong and someone like you. Don't know how famous you are watch. I can walk anywhere unless i have a grey a wigwam and a fake knows people don't really know but sometimes when people hear the name and they see they expect me to be six six three and four hundred pounds first first of all and so it's a letdown john madden yeah right i mean it's just they're like what what why. Why aren't you seventy years old because i'm forty five. I can't a change that so. I have to apologize for my genetics. I it just is what it is and i app listen. I don't know i don't know what to find out what the latest cliques have been but it's just more hey i just wanna have fun and come from an art aside more than a business side and for the longest time i'd come more business than show in show business. It was less about art and more about how can i make as much much money as possible and i figured out that doesn't as much as i love money. Don't get me wrong but it's like. There's other parts to life. Life and having a family was part of that too and i missed some great things easier way to go is to get all the money and then be able to explorer versus people who want the art. I don't necessarily have the privilege of then saying all of a sudden okay. I'd like the money now. Oh wait. I missed my window do or i don't know how to be that thing yeah. You're lucky in a sense in having this skill that you used it in a way that got you a ton of success and fame and people know you fort art but now you do have that burden of the expectation of who you've always been and wanting to change it which is chelsea handler on the podcast and she went from. You know i'm gonna talk about being in drunk and having one night stands to wanting to sort of be an activist and talk about the therapy she's doing and a lot of people don't want that from her because they decided who she was and we put people in boxes so you're kind of pushing back against people. Who've said oh i like you for this and i don't want you to be anything that yeah. That's the difficult thing you know. We see it in sports. We see it everywhere everywhere where people say the whole lebron james thing more than athlete type thing we see that and a lot of places and it can disrupt but i think people as long as for me. It's as long as it's coming from the heart. I think it's great. I see some people <music> at times just trying to monetize their feelings then were so it's like. I don't know about that but i do think when it's coming from the heart i really liked that but yeah people definitely put you in boxes and i put myself in a box and you have to realize a lot of times you put yourself in that box and you're upset that you put yourself in that box and i'm a person who's a realist and go you know i've i've <hes> contributed to this some two so i'm not going to just blame blame other people on it. I'm going to try and figure out how can i get to the next level and just keep working at it and if i never get there i never but at least i put the effort in and that's a big thing for we'll be right back back with more. 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That's what she said so. Let's go back to when you started doing impressions. Can you take me through how you make one. Where do you start art. How do you get comfortable in that person's skin or you starting with mannerisms or voiced or catchphrases. How do you do it. I think first of all if you can. Let's let's let's start with the audio the the sound of the person i if you find their cadence that's the key. That's the key because you don't have to the have the pitch right. You don't how many christopher walk ins. Have you heard you've heard a long career high right in the middle the barack obama stomach and you can say that but you know what it is because of the cadence with president obama talk slow at the beginning and speed up the what's that the cadence of the person and then you can say lots of different things some of it comes to to add onto the take which i get to later but then the first that cadence because you can cheat a little bit with cadence you don't have to have it exactly right in terms of the note or the pitch then you add mannerisms or facial expressions and that can sell it even more saturday night live. They'll make you up to look like the person that could sell it way. More per person might not even do a very good impression of the person but they look exactly like them. David spade talk about doing impressions on on saturday night live in the late eighties and maybe early nineties. It'd be like well. They made me look like him. I didn't do an impression of the person people think oh no your impression perfect nick like years ago. Somebody said hey when you're mad t._v. You do the great rosie o'donald no. They just threw a wig on me. That's all they really did. There wasn't fortunately. I just looked enough awfully rosiak you. You say i don't want to say i'll get in trouble but it's like a there's a lot of that. You know just make you look decently enough. I like the person that sells it even more so than if you don't have that the facial expressions and the mannerisms really can't sell it that can be even as much if not better than the the voice and people watch you do that when you put it all together cadence if you get the pitch or tone of the person right and the mannerisms that all works to to make a great impression even if it's not a dead on impersonation which an impersonation would be. You're trying to mimic and be the person that's in my vocabulary in in my head whereas an impression goes on a little bit of a take of what the person has george w bush trying to figure out what's coming next and something like that or in the case of morgan morgan freeman sounding exactly like the person is the only way to go but now when you take on him. I'm just going to narrate everything. That's going going on right. You need to find that. I think that little bit of a taken that brings you from just regurgitating lines to having a full character with the person on on stage and i believe also on the way to do it is like a speech and when i was in school they used to tell us that the the the way to go through speech or tell them what you're going to tell them. Tell them and then tell them what you told them so. The tell what you're going to tell them is let them know what impression you're going to do because then people aren't figuring it out all at different times think about the fact that morgan freeman could narrate anything and it would sound good yeah right and you near it anything that you do it again now. The joke is because you're acting it out right but you've done a couple of things there. You've said morgan freeman so so they know the name. That's another problem. Has i'll say a name of somebody and people like is he going to do no. I'm just mentioning a name so morgan. Freeman is part of the name of the character is the the first part then you do a a mannerism or facial expression to set it up even more and then the the voice is the third thing with the cadence and by the time if you have enough in out not every impression i do has that but by the time you do that third. One people are laughing laughing from the first two and you're already. You've already got them in and so that's <hes> that's the tell them what you what you told him so it in that formula formula which it all works but again i'm in that mode trying to break some of the formulas and trying to do some things a little bit differently differently when i first started doing standup i did i had this thing about. I don't wanna tell them what impression i'm doing. I want him to figure it out and i realize that people some people didn't know what impression i was doing until about four minutes or something. Maybe the great jokes. You've made yeah the incredible humor. I've crafted earlier. Yes uh-huh so when you're learning a new. Are you walking around the house just doing the voice there's a lamp or whatever you know in the voice to get yourself used to it yeah that that would be the main thing and i used to work on them a lot more. I would do impressions all all the time i when i worked at indoor baseball softball place i would give out tokens opens as robin williams like oh goodness here you go. It's a part of their little apricot and okay my friend all right so we would we. I would do do that type of stuff now. It's it's probably more to myself. I will watch things but it's hard to try and find mind people that enough people enough of an audience is going to know for the stage a lot of times the cyber different now in different places that you go for content it used to be everyone wants the same three channels so everybody knows that right and even after that when it was cable it might have been fifty channels now. There's it's it's an infinite really it might not actually be infinite but eventually hit it feels it. There's just so much audiences are so segmented and people are programmed directly to that people don't even know ooh certain genres exist or people people that watch net flicks. Don't necessarily watch network television anymore or know anything thing about certain move. That's their whole world is is that it's like being in the simpsons and you only know that world so it's the sports thing was probably good for you then n. b. s. you know that people who are into sports. They're going to get every single. One of them not just the athletes but the people who work for e._s._p._n. And the people who work for fox everybody else and when i went to e._s._p._n. I realized that people that watch e._s._p._n. It was like the simpsons that was its own worm. Everybody knew all the simpsons characters but a lot of people just walks e._s._p._n. Dan j maurice to do this bit about people watching it might still mentioned it but like about people watch sports center like you watch sports center and then that's sportscenter is over then you watch the reruns sportscenter. Why don't you just watched the same sports center. It's not halfway through like like. I just saw this exact same interview word for word but you don't change it you watch the saints and you can't figure out why you're doing it but you you like it happens opens with the spanish channel to you ever just accidentally. I don't know if you speak spanish but i don't speak really speak spanish not since high school. My kids are learning in school right now but it's i don't really i'm not fluent in spanish anything but sometimes come across the chance flip through the channels and it'll end up on the spanish channel and i'll realize i've watched the spanish channel for the last. I've been watching univision for thirty minutes. I even understood a single word. I don't know what happened to me then. I just flip it back to sports center so yeah i i don't you know what that is but there's a reality to that yeah. I'm let's do a quick speed wrong. Because i have a couple. I wanted to get to so <hes> your least favourite impression to do listen. I don't know if i do have a least favorite. I i don't if you get tired of doing. Maybe eh physically taxing like oh okay voice or your your posture or you're just like okay not this again. I just got my voice back the gruden face for any extended period of time making that making the chucky facemask. I mean i'll i'll do like videos for that on instagram or something and i'll be we like man my head. Just the back of my head starts to hurt. It's not even the front leading forward yeah back. It's i mean it's just it's it can be deep painful but in terms of voices none of them really hurt that much because at the beginning it's almost like breaking down a muscle and then rebuilds itself south. I think maybe vocal-chord wise so most voices they don't. They're not taxing on my voice at all. Maybe a maybe maybe a movie voice type thing. If you do this for so much time you know that type of thing or an optimist prime auto botch transform like that could be but but that those would be the type something deep rumbling worry the most difficult my colleagues stugatz does something in called the <hes> the sports whisperer and if you try to whisper for several minutes at a time. It's so painful to listen to someone do because he just loses it all together. There's so hopefully you never have a long character that involves just hard loudly whispering almost almost as painful as trying to listen to stugatz. Tell the truth for recommended. That doesn't happen very thankfully. We're saved more often than not. Is there an impression that you really wanted to get you kept working working on and you just never got it to the point that you didn't even use it in your act. That happens all the time. People think i'm way better at this than i am. I talked to a friend of mine. Ross marquand kwan who red skull in avengers. He's on the walking dead. He's pry the best dead on impressionist. I've ever we're seen and we talked about this together. One time it was like people don't realize how long you'd have to try and work in craft an impression for it to even beat decent and there's so many just throw out 'cause you never you can never do it and there wasn't it sticks with you. I don't even i can't even do it. Good joe pesci. If somebody says do joe pesci joe joe br jim breuer jim breuer does a great one. You just outsource it. You know i'm sorry can't but let me let me send you in the right dress yeah. I'll i'll give you a start with joe patchy and if not jim breuer at at jimbo right. I believe you can find them. Is there one you're most proud of. No i don't think so i i listen to george w bush because i was so fat at the time that people are like you should not like mad t._v. Did not want me to do the george w w bush. They tried everybody on the show except for me and i they never said that but that's probably what it was and i get it because because i couldn't look at them and then i mailed this one sketch as george w bush and it was it was a debate sketch where the michael mcdonald's playing john kerry is doing george w bush and just hit it out of the park and nobody expected it and i took over the george w bush role from and then on mad t._v. They were contemplating having josh meyers seth meyers brother do it. They had we'll sassa. Do it for a little bit who wasn't even skinny by any means but i was so big at the time i think they're like no and they were even asking barron hilton. Everybody people didn't do impressions. They were trying to get george bush president of everybody except for for me so i think that's one because i stepped up to the plate and i really that was something people weren't expecting so it was not so much about getting the the impression it was that actually allowed me to do something other than just the john madden popcorn popper on mad t._v. Because it mad tv they i would try to do other sketches. It would do really really well at the table read where you go through the first time and the powers that be say yeah well. We're going to put that on back burner and maybe it in a few weeks in the meantime. Can you do john madden building a birdhouse birdhouse really yeah all right yeah so what's the most asked for when you're out and about and people recognize you. I think that depends on who the person is a person who loves movies in general might ask for an al pacino or somebody might be a robin williams. Fan sports people live barclay some still like the madden although i feel like he's so far gone but p i'm known for that at the same time <hes> gruden people people wait there on the edge of their seats waiting for gruden a lot of the time people have heard me do some of the avengers stuff if they're younger couple audiences right right now which is weird that i find it the old guys i can feel in the crowd. They're just waiting if they want john madden the whole time and then i'll throw in something i am loki of asgard and embedded in with glorious pappas and who cares about our beaming robert downey junior okay do me a favor enjoy yourself get to the madden not just give me a minute and like like they don't even know what i'm doing a throat a chris hemsworth lewke my brother. The crowd is more more more and one crowd is going. Can you just circle something. That's tough. It's weird right because i'm getting known by different audiences and that's what i try to do more of the newer stuff enough on like instagram and stuff like that because the the all the people aren't even on that really so but you have to try try and stay fresh in different and new and that's the difficult thing that i find it why try to go to less impressions overall and more storytelling. You never know as well what celebrity nowadays is going to have a hashtag a thing that happens to them to you hashtag me. You'd food yeah liam neeson's. There's there's there's an for a little while. It seems like people forget in certain things but other things are too big and too. I talk about this. In my act to ten years ago said the name bill cosby everybody in the room be like oh. I hope he does bill cosby. I say the name ups and say bill cosby now people i hope he doesn't i'm doing bill cosby. That's there's just information comes out about people and i'm not saying people should hide that that's not that's not at at all what i'm saying but people are much more responsible for themselves now because they can't get away with as much and celebrities if you've ever been in that world they the bigger you are celebrity. There are some things you tend to get away with a lot more because there's power involved and so so it's a weird thing with that and a lot more minefields for you too. Yeah and i just have to be careful. You have to set it up right and i don't wanna wanna make a joke about hashtag metoo. I don't wanna do that but if it's a person and i can make a point about something i want to be able to make a point about that person person as long as the victim in it is not the one that's in trouble and that's very hard. That's hard on social media because people immediately go to what you're making fun of these. These people and i know that you missed the point. You didn't listen to morons first of all so social media is going to be the toughest place to have anything with nuance or satire or intelligence behind and it's gonna be like common denominators action on that i had noticed what's the what's the impression people try to do at you the most easy once and that's the way the reason they'll do that because they'll try to get into doing their impression for me so somebody would be like really in love. Tell you did that. Yoda coda mike. It's just a joke to buy like oh. Thanks arizona first of all. Thank you iota grover over but it's one of those things. I don't even know what to say then they'll do start. They'll start doing parts of my act for me and i know those lines too so it's and i don't want to be mean but at the same nice oh that's cool that you know my stuff and you love it but also like yeah. It's got it done that yeah and i did did the same people i. I'm embarrassed but i'll tell you this people come up to me and they will say my son. Does this incredible impression. That's just you doing the impression. There'll be like you'll love it in the killingbeck. Hey fats john madden here okay. Do you even know who john man is. No not really my dad made me do this now. I when i met tom hit allston who plays loki. I made my daughter do an impression of korg from thor ragnarok and i was like oh this is awful. I'm being the person that i that. I have trouble without live. 'cause tom hilton does a bunch of different impressions and his line to me was great because he's like yes. I do impressions of 'em the people i work with in movies. Oh i do impressions of people i've seen in movies so we're similar but so different and then i made my daughter do this impression she she didn't really want to do but i don't know if he was just being nicer and at the time i realized this is the probably the one of the most embarrassing things i've ever done but i'll give you the most embarrassing well. I might not be the most embarrassing. I know we gotta go here soon too but i was on a plane and what's his name. The place aqua man you guys has got that on hand yeah jason momoa jason momoa he was at the airport and something had happened. He was supposed to be in a private plane somewhere and he was at the airport and everybody's taking pictures pictures of them and they're not really talking to him but he was with his family. So people were kind of leaving them. Alone was nice in that respect but he gets on the same plane as me and and he's just sitting there for a while he gets up to go to the bathroom and before this happens he looks at me like three or four times and i don't assume that he knows who i am because it just might be that i've catch up on my face or something but i feel like he's recognized but doesn't know why so we get on the plane plane. He goes up to the bathroom. I try to sneak a picture of him. I don't get enough not like i'm not gonna put it on social media thing. I'm just going to tell my daughter about it because she loves the superhero. He catches just doing it now. The reach out of hand it gets worse off because he comes back from the bathroom like a sorry dude. He's like that's when we had this great conversation sation his part of it was and then he went and just sat down but then the flight attendant reaches over to me 'cause you're gonna race that right. I was like she was watching yeah but not only that you can't tell somebody to erase pictures. People have taken of me like not i'm. I'm that i'm that level of superstardom but it's like you can't stop like people were walking on the plane and i wanted to go. Hey i am on t._v. To expected more from you in first class frank guess the plea biens in coach are going to do that but you we expected more. Maybe it got even worse because i talk really loudly on the phone after it. I'm like yeah. I'm heading over to the studio. Now record some stuff on television because i'm also on television. Maybe not in the movie but i'm on television by tv studio. I'll talk to you later a terrible feeling we were. We were leaving the cubs game. The other day in the broadcast kaskai for the opposing team was in the elevator and i saw his badge mico you called the game today and he's like not not a great for your guys but and he just seemed so annoyed with me and i wanted to be like yeah you work for e._s._p._n. Might you know and i was like you know. He's so annoyed that i'm just gonna. I'm just gonna let him think. I was just an annoying person in the elevator like just it's not even i'm not even gonna need to connect with him but i wanted him to know out of principle that was asking because i was just interested in his gig and how the day one but right yeah now what's the weirdest situation in which you've been asked to do an impression or you've just done. I know you've liked called some steve times before and left and left. A message is another another g._m. Or another coach or but has somebody asked you to leave a voicemail for someone or in the middle of the wedding or have you been chris hemsworth and bed. I wish rush my wife writers to. I don't know i i years and years ago. This was the most awkward i i called up a news station as john madden. They'll tell you how long it was. He was on doing sunday night football at the time. It was like i can't take it anymore. They're like what i can't take anymore out. Michaels goals is driving me crazy they're like. Is this john madden yes. Have you been drinking mr mann absolutely you on the air one yeah right now. Let's do good and they were gonna put me on the air like tells you about the credibility of the news source at that time but i was like i can't do this so i. I got really close. I got through like three people. I did a lot of trouble. If i go on the air i mean you could easily get a lot of people in trouble and get suit called. The white house and people always wanted me to do that. Especially the george w bush years they're like just call like those are the worst people to try and call because they have a flat tire. Send the secret service out to grab arabia they have they have access to everything they can find me. There's no. I can't hide at that point. You don't mess with that high of a level. It's a a great point. So what do you still want to do. You're sort of evolving your act. You have your podcast. Now on frank pods dot com. What are you what's in front of view that you want to do next. I'm just i'm working on getting getting getting back but really getting into the acting side of stuff playing some small characters auditioning for that that type of stuff which i don't live in l._a. So it's difficult because if you try and put stuff on tape it's really a i didn't even understand this deal recently you you have to go in front of these casting directors actors and work through stuff and they they see you a couple of times and you develop the character or the person in front of them a little bit and that's how you get a role but that's that's what i wanna do more of is <hes> finding like non impression characters not huge over the top big fakey characters but again to go back to that that that line of thinking truth is finding like being a real actor <hes> even if it's the smallest roles and just learning and being part part of that that's that's where i really wanna. Get working in terms of more of me on stage that too but a lot of like i said from the the beginning and keep going back to is that that honesty just keep going from there because i do struggle. Sometimes i start to put on the show instead of trying to just be yeah. We'll before we let you go. You have to put on one lascaux. You have to do the thing that everybody does but nobody expects. It's called the spanish inquisition. Kind of spanish inquisition expects the spanish inquisition. It's the ten questions everybody gets. Nobody expects number one your desert island album. You can only have one <hes> oh jeez. I'm not a huge music person so this is the worst for me the wrestling album that the w._w._f. W._f. guys did the superstars did years ago. Just the worst deeply upset pyromaniac pyromaniac something from the <hes> just brutal this is what would you say what was what is yours. Mine is august and everything after by counting crows okay. That's my man okay perfect. You are welcome number. Two what happened quality. Do you think has contributed most to your success. What quality has contributed attributed most of my success ability to repeat the question in the phone <hes> i would say wow mimicry. That's that's that's a that that element of success one hundred percent mimicry number three. What would you consider your biggest failure. This interview is way up there. At at this point merit down the spanish inquisition <hes> my biggest failure would be <hes> in terms of entertainment. I would say not being ready when i first got to los angeles with hollywood with a lot of different <hes> stuff to do to to not having to just being to allow him myself getting pigeonholed so much because i didn't come prepared number four ever been in a fistfight a i usually use karate so so improvements such a bad. No i more more. I would say more of a lover but not a fighter but we already got the chris hemsworth thing yeah. Have you ever been not since i was a kid i all right. No no i i remember tackling and being tackled by guy named ryan easter when i was a kid but that's that's not a good name to number. Five of you could switch lives with anyone for a day. Who would it be switch. What live with. I thought you said take wives no. I thought you said labs lavatory like bathrooms like i dunno. I bet you robert downey. Jr which is worse. Yeah i could switch lies is with somebody. I take my son or daughter because there's just so much in front of them. I think i really would i. I wouldn't trade most of what i have. I the ups and downs have all been worth it but you know what i would. I would take robert downey junior to the second question though i do it. You'd yeah i just like counting money irony number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been that that that jason momoa that's way that's way way up there. I don't know if i could top that number seven. What's the thing about yourself. You'd most like to improve. I still think the the honesty that we've been going back to and i'd like to be taller ed like hey you can want to improve it. I didn't say you'd be able to <hes> you know what willpower in terms of chocolate let sugar. That's one thing because as much as i exercise now i'll count my calories all day. I'll be at eighteen hundred calories and then they'll be a piece as a cake that doesn't even belong to me and i'll somehow figure out a way to get it and my kids will be mad at me on number eight if you were the commissioner of life for a day. What one rule would you enforce that. All of society would have to adhere to just ah be respectful of other people. I think that a lot of that ties in all the kindness and all that stuff a lot of that ties into respect. I mean in which i guess be kind of people to <hes> that's all in there somewhere but if it was one thing eat eat your vegetables number nine with the most scared you've ever been again trying to come up with a number nine here. That's pretty frightening. <hes> the most scared i've ever been. I'm trying to think if i've ever had a near death experience that somehow somehow escaped my mind. That's brutal if i had one i i guess it hasn't been my daughter fell one time she she drives she she fell. She hit her head and <hes> this is just the look glazed look on. Her is was very scary to me that yeah yeah when anything there are so many things with my kids now that i think about it got out of myself thinking about what scared me about myself something anytime i kids that can be really something. That's yeah number ten. What three words would you most hope that people would use to describe you. What three words people do this a lot where they repeat what you're saying well. They're thinking of it. Yes because these are tough questions but i do not like to give them out in advance because then i don't get honest answers curated answers so what three i'd love to have somebody written this for me a freeze just three words that you would hope that people would think they can be just words separated by com. Let's see cautious which can be good or ban of changing it <hes> friendly okay so i'm gonna go honest friendly and i. I wouldn't mind talented. That's good enough yeah. That seems like you'd like that'd be good. I tried not to be too selfish there so i was trying to think of different there's different things to narrow that down. I just have so many single words to say about myself right that that i'm fairly decent amount but then i changed them halfway through so those are good ones. I like those <hes> bonus. Question should have on this podcast to talk to. Who would i find interesting. Oh let's see there's so many people go around a rent a guy by the name of ed my let who i did his podcast just recently one of the like fifty richest people under fifty in the world like amazing and he's a huge instagram star and a motivational speaker just a <hes> and he found me through some sports and stuff like that too and he was one pat. Mcafee is another one. He's that guy yeah. He's great. He's he's he's. He's doing college football now for it's been i'll say he's pat. Mcafee fi is one of those people that a few months ago before some of the stuff star break from there's just something magical happening with you can tell with him for sure yeah. He's just something something he's got something. That's the next generation of people that you could never teach somebody but you like. He's got no fear and he's just connect connects with people in a way i i haven't seen maybe ever yeah well that one's in the works so i'll tell them that. I'll tell him that you you said to come on as well. Maybe that'll it'll be the final push frank. This was so awesome. Thanks so much for taking the time to do it. Thanks for having me. It's a really great and it's a true journalist to eh actually mean that cause lots going podcast. It's it's a different way you structure questions differently and you come from a different level of research research and stuff like that so it was very interesting to me is actually learning. I take it as a learning experience for me to to get better myself. I love that thank you. That's what she said. Be sure to check got another great podcast in the laboratory. In france podcast network marty smith's america college football seasons right around the corner and guess ramadi was last weekend clemson south carolina allina download and subscribe to mark smith america and apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcast. That's what she said. It's time once again for south. Bitch sessions nations where i rant about something that bothers me and fix it this week. It's people who say jeff now. I get it one time. Someone asked the guy who invented into these things you know these images or sounds videos that kind of loop continuously they don't you don't have to press play. It's not a full video. It's a gif. It's a graphical interchange format format and i know they asked him once. Do you pronounce it gift or jeff and the guy said jif but that doesn't mean we have to say like that one day if i snapped it's probably going to be about this because 'cause graphic goo ga graphic sounds like which is probably why people assumed it would stand for graphic interchange formats and therefore be said gaffe f the fact that this looney toon who invented it inexplicably says it sounds like jif peanut butter doesn't mean that we all abandon this accepted term and and start using the word jif and i realized on the list of problems much like frank kelly endo. This feels very minor. I've i've rented about some much more serious things but for some reason every time someone says jeff instead of gift and i get it you know people have their own way of saint things tomato tomato except it's tomato wpro and potato. It's not potato. You're not british. 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136: Kansas City vs. Oakland  With Matt Ehrlich

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136: Kansas City vs. Oakland With Matt Ehrlich

"The games with the raiders were not games. Games are fun out. These were wars. This gentleman has been working for seven years over in candlestick park. And that's only seven miles of water away from that House of Hers Coliseum. We have guys that. Hey we're only eight raiders. And then a few touched the raiders football team. We hate the Kansas City chiefs. It's only a game right. not this one. This is not only a game this is raider. We rivalries no matter what sport are built on Big Games. If you don't play big games that matter to each team it's not gonNA be Chicago and Green Bay that's geography that's why they can't stand each other but she's the raiders have geography but they had those games in the sixties that created this this feeling the great storied rivalries in the NFL are rivalries as much for fans as as they are for the players with this. There is genuine animosity there's genuine ill-will and that's one of the things that makes football great is in the face face of all that your team prevails Kansas City and Oakland at night it was always a big game it was always always the NBC game late on Sunday afternoons and this is the NFL game. That all of America was saying we gotTa Watch this. Because it's really fun. They played competitive important games. That meant something. Even before the chiefs were the chiefs. The rivalry began. They were the Dallas Texans. So the rivalry goes way back. Welcome to good seats still available. A curious areas little podcast devoted to exploring what used to be in professional sports. Here's your host. Tim Hanley you. You Bet that rival we started way back when how you doing everybody my name is Tim Hanlin and yes you have stumbled into the wild and wacky world of good seats still available available. What is it? Well it's our journey each and every week into what used to be in professional sports. I thank you from the bottom of my heart and the heart of my bottom autumn or whatever that is Who for finding us this week? We know you've got a gazillion choices out there in podcast land and we're just honored that you would give us a little bit of your time and download download or stream or wherever you're getting into your into your ear buds and giving us a listen we appreciate it. We have a pretty interesting little topic for you this weekend. We can't wait to get into it. Our our guest. This week is a guy named Matt. Erlich he's a professor emeritus of journalism at the University of Illinois and he has a new book out. That is a really I think a fun and interesting. Little twist twist on a little bit of what you just heard in that clip just a few moments ago. The book is called Kansas City Versus Oakland. The bitter sports rivalry that defined an era breath. And as we get into this sort of conversation of a tale of two cities shall we say perhaps not the most obvious cities you would choose on the American map to be sort of denoted as rivals in any way shape or form. Certainly not geographically Kansas City obviously in the heart of the Midwest and Oakland a scrappy and working class city Sort of in the shadows of its Sort of richer or at at least historically so city across the Bay San Francisco. What are these two cities they're having commoner? What do they have against each other? Well certainly sports is at the root of a lot of it and certainly certainly one of the bitterest rivalries in pro sports emanated from the old. AFL The nineteen sixties between the Kansas City chiefs. Yes previously you see. Domicile is the Dallas Texans in the earliest days which we talked about by the way with one of those voices that you just heard Michael mccambridge in our episode number three. You Might WanNa dial that one up and listen to that if you've not enjoyed that one already because there's a fascinating story about how the Texans even got to Kansas City and thank God. They changed their name because they were. If Lamar on his name is his way they would have actually been called the Kansas City texts. But I digress but the Kansas City chiefs of course and the Oakland Raiders Peter's soon to be the Las Vegas readers relatively soon. They were the fiercest rivals in the American football league and that rivalry certainly carried over near the NFL and it really kind of helps sort of shape very interesting narrative about how these two cities through the eyes and the ears and the play. I guess of their sports teams these two football franchises that For whatever reason didn't like each other and and pretty early on they were obviously very good. They're probably the two if not the chew consistently best teams in the AFL. A certainly that spilled over in those transitory years between You know those early super bowls when the AFL and the NFL theoretically coexisted. And obviously you know the the. The rivalry has kind of leaned in waxed over the years. But but as you heard of that clip and Len Dawson one of the voices there he capsulated they call it Raider Week Right. It's not just a game it's an entire week of preparation and a reminder of all the kinds of ill will and bad blood frankly just just amazing competitive games that have happened over the ears and if you really want to treat go back in a youtube and some of these. NFL films things and check out some of these amazing games especially AFL championship games and things are on on the line These two teams not only did not like each other but they played the hell out of each other year in and year out. Obviously we mentioned Lamar Hunt Voice in that clip. That you just I heard a guy named Bob. Gretz who's the author of hailed of the chiefs. He kinda sets the tone a little bit. And of course you heard Michael mccambridge and of course Peter King a A sports illustrated longtime pro football writer. All of those gentlemen in that clip kind of sort of underlined that sort of rivalry that very a bitter rivalry that the chiefs and the raiders Sort of brought to bear and it becomes kind of a backdrop on this sort of broader theme about these two cities and how so This that sports rivalry and frankly another one a little bit more a little less obvious. But there's also a baseball component to this and we're going to get into that too with Matt Erlich and a few moments and it's it's it's not necessarily directly competitive one although the royals and the The as over the years the Oakland A.'s. Of course on the Kansas City royals of course have had their moments. There's no doubt but for those of you who are of a certain age you may actually not remember the fact that the the as were in Kansas City for a bunch of years before they moved to Oakland they were the Kansas City as they moved from Philadelphia in the Nineteen Nineties Nineteen late nineteen fifties fifties early nineteen sixties. I'm sorry date escape so you at the moment but A guy by the name of Charles Finley if you remember that name Sir. Most people do baseball. Authoritarians authoritarians will remember the purchaser of Said Franchise and then bolted from Kansas City to Oakland and that that is an amazing story in and of itself but the the the interesting intrigue between the Kansas City as Bolting for Oakland The replacement very shortly thereafter of a brand new franchise in the American league called the royals a new stadium. Which is obviously we still today? Known as Kauffman Stadium. All of that is also very much part of this. Not only rivalry but sort of friction between these two cities that again. If if you if you open up the map you would not have guessed in a million years that Kansas City Missouri and Oakland California would be such interesting at least on the sporting landscape rivals and we get into that very interesting Topic again with our guest Matt. Erlich coming up in just a few moments this is a really intriguing discussion and Not only by reading the book. Will you be entertained by it. But hopefully in our conversation coming up in just a couple moments that we We urge you to stick around because there's some really interesting stories and things that I didn't even know about around baseball and football and these two cities and I think you're going to really enjoy it and I really do you think you're also enjoy one of our sponsors this week and that's audible of course our friends at audible. Who offer you a free month of the audible service and a free audiobook down though when you go to audible trial dot com slash good seats and and sign up? You can cancel at any time. It's basically no risk obligation and the book that you download even but if you if you cancelled the service is yours to keep as long as you keep your device and it's really cool because of some really interesting audio books that you could get that very much fit the theme some of this week's episode for example you fancy yourself as a Kansas City chiefs fan. Well how about listening to the Rick Calendar Book. He of sports illustrated fame and other sports writings. Things called like a rose life lessons from a training camp with Hank Schram and the Kansas City chiefs. It's a fascinating read. And it's a great sort of little history about the Kansas City chiefs. Sort of as as seen through the eyes of one of the legend tear their legendary coaches hang extreme. Okay maybe you're not a chief's Fan. 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Erlich we talk about this friction this this rivalry between Kansas City in Oakland on the football gridiron on the baseball diamond. It's a fascinating living chat. Please implore you to enjoy. I hope you liked. Let's dive have right into it. Because the the the juxtaposition I guess between the Metropolitan Areas Kansas City and Oakland to the cursory. I isn't necessarily one where I don't know I don't know if this is an obvious sort of linkage ripe but perhaps the sports rivalries maybe unintended. Frankly frankly as things have played out right I don't think anybody in the old. AFL right if we would have guessed. How much of a rivalry the chiefs chiefs in the raiders would have not only in the AFL but spilling over to many many years even arguably still today in the NFL right? And then you throw that into the frankly bizarre relationship between Kansas City and Oakland in baseball right which was a direct lineage. And or a taking of if you will or or a a bold move of a team that What are the seeds of this of this theme is it is that the AFL is that kind of the beginnings of it door I would say it's actually a little bit before the AFL days Because you know the thing I think that links the two cities which are very very different in many ways and of course they're geographically separated. The thing that I think links them is is this idea of A civic inferiority complex and the AFL being formed in part for cities that not really had an overlooked as major league cities that a lot of the city's literally had no big league sports sports and so even before the AFL was formed in Nineteen fifty-nine started play nineteen sixty both. Kansas Intercity in Oakland wanted to become big league. They wanted to be seen in the eyes of the nation as being major league cities and these for like most cities west of the Mississippi River city's that had long crowd histories in Minor League sports especially Minor League baseball but had never had that majorly presence that So many of the older cities east of the Mississippi had and so both of them looked to major league baseball. I in the nineteen fifties when finally based all started to expand expand out of the original sixteen teams. And so that's how Kansas City ended up getting the Philadelphia Athletics The ill Adelphia Athletics Once upon a time a wonderful baseball team in the last few years Connie Mack's ownership and last years of. Connie Mack's light. They fallen on hard times and his sons. Connie Mack sons were terrible owners and low each other. which didn't help anything? And so so They were able to poaching in Kansas City. was able to step in and poached the as from Philadelphia and so Oakland Oakland saw that they saw how Baltimore at gotten the St Louis Browns. They saw how Milwaukee had gotten a Boston braves and they were thinking well. You know We should be a major league city ourselves in one sport or another preferably baseball In the late nineteen fifties of course the dodgers and the giants both moved from New York to the West Coast to San Francisco to Los Angeles and so Oakland also is seeking to be bigly informed getting into the AFL It's worth noting that both both cities had this civic inferiority complex Natalie from not having Major League sports but just they were very self conscious about out their image Generally with Oakland. That's a blue collar city an industrial city. That has always been in the shadow of San Francisco this very very glamorous cosmopolitan hub at the nation and so they were very resentful toward San Francisco and Wanted to raise they're standing. Oakland IRS In relation to San Francisco Kansas City is smack DAB in the middle of the country a longtime extra cultural hub and midst concern was was allow a seen as just a cow town. There's that very famous song or infamous song long up from the Musical Oklahoma. Everything's updating Kansas. City they went to build a skyscraper seven stories high about as far as they can go in so Kansas City also had a chip on their shoulder So that was the backdrop and then it coincided with the move mm for baseball franchises to other parts of the country in the nineteen fifties and so when the AFL came along again the AFL was sort of an accidental dental league. Lamar Hunt founded the American football league. Because he wanted an NFL team zone in Dallas and the NFL said we're not going to Expand it. We're not going to give you a team. So Lamar Hunt. Being rich and ambitious decided well just form a League of my own with my my own team the Dallas Texans and that immediately prompted the NFL to decide. Well we will have a team in Dallas our own Dallas cowboys that that was put into competition with the Dallas Texans and eventually forced the Dallas Texans to find a new home so they Kansas City chiefs were an accidental franchise. It wasn't intended to be until Lamar Hunt was forced by the NFL and the its moved into Dallas to find a a new home. The Oakland raiders were exposed to ever exist either that was going to be a an AFL franchise in Minnesota but just as the NFL expanded into Dallas when they heard that the AFL was planning to have a team in state of Minnesota they decided they would ever franchise in Minnesota the Vikings things and sell AFL to find a new home. And the Oakland raiders came into being and so this Civic can periodic complex this chip on the shoulder the fact that it was an accident elite the afl not taken seriously by the NFL. The fact that East two teams in their early years do not have much success. Especially the raiders. Before Al Davis took over in nineteen sixty three. We're just a trainwreck. Trek approach is and So the fact that this eventually developed into a very heated rivalry between two wonderful wonderful professional franchises two teams that had multiple hall of famers in that are remembered with the great respect. act in even all by a lot of professional football. Historians is really extraordinary. Just never should have happened that way but it did well. So it's interesting because you say sort of chip on their shoulder right. I mean Oakland. Obviously in the shadow of San Francisco I was with the now the San Francisco. Oh Bay area which is more of a megalopolis than than even it was back in the early nineteen sixties. But still. You know it's across the bay. It's blue collar versus you. Know more of the white collar and Maybe more elitist Sort of rooting for the San Francisco and the forty niners at that for for that matter and Kansas City right I'll be go across state kind of shadow if you will from. Its bigger sister. Saint Lowest Right. Which of course you know Saint Louis has been you know a part part of the baseball landscape almost since the earliest days of the sport in this country professionally right so it it is an interesting sort of unloved? I loved under recognized. I guess Metro power or potentially on the com- kind of metropolitan area kind of wanting to achieve Professional Status I. It's just very interesting. How both Kansas City received the as like why Kansas the city right so clearly in the in the late mid to late fifties right? There was sort of this arguably overdue. I guess Wanderlust of Major League Baseball and this recognition there were other growing metropolitan areas outside of the northeast in the Mid West right and in the AFL. Obviously Lamar Hunt as we've talked about an numerous episodes right. The you know the opportunities extent there for professional football which arguably even even less worldly I I guess or were expansionary in its mindset. I you look at how Oakland right got that. AFL Franchise. I mean I think by all accounts it was really I guess guests. Because at Barron Hilton's chargers franchise. I guess he wanted another franchise on the West Coast. There was a real scramble to find a place on the west coast. To put a franchise. I mean I don't think Oakland was even looking for sort of pro football in nineteen sixty. Were they know. Not so much that I can tell l. and again if you think nineteen sixty the AFL who knows what nobody really has an idea what the AFL is or was and So getting an AFL charter franchise as kind of like you can look back in an ink. Well is that really a big -til uh-huh so yeah a one a debt Barron Hilton of the chargers which were originally in Los Angeles. Of course they now are back in Los Angeles for many many years here in San Francisco. He wanted a second team in California. He want bet natural riot oriented with travel arrangements easier and so the thought was well in the NFL. The Los Angeles Rams in the San Francisco Forty niners have a good rivalry will just replicate it in the NFL. Between the chargers and this new team in the bay area of Oakland Problem Is there was no stadium in Oakland Coliseum. wasn't even in the planning stages yet except the very very earliest planning stages so for the first Several several years the LISA. Two or three seasons. The raiders had Glenn in the city of San Francisco so you know the fact that they were trying to get it out from under the shadow of San Francisco and the end up having to share facilities with The forty niners at itself was atop kelder swallow. Nobody in San Francisco wanted to see the afl to begin with let alone a team representing Oakland so nobody went to the Games The team was as we mentioned. Just absolutely terrible it went to And then the next year they went one thirteen in one one of my favorite stories about that which is related in the book as during their first season of existence. The the raiders were in the city of Boston the Boston Patriots. Let's and they couldn't find anywhere to practice except a little league baseball field and then had to leave the field before their practice was over because the little league teams showed up and a little league teams in Boston. Took precedence over the AFL raiders. So that's just about that's as good an example as any just how sad tax team was. And there's also the story of course. The Oakland raiders original name. There was supposed to be called the Oakland senors and even Siniora's just senors entailed people realize what a ridiculous name was and fortunately for them. They picked AH raiders instead. I'm really sort of curious as to sort of how these two. AFL teams Well you know. Kansas City obviously didn't come into play as you mentioned earlier because Dallas wasn't sort of working out. I don't think he Kansas City was an obvious choice. Even Lamar Hunt's mind I I mean and how does Kansas City. Well look I think we remember our one of our earlier conversations about Lamar's life and times. I I think if I'm not mistaken. He actually wanted to call. He actually wanted to bring the name Texans to Kansas City as well. We're going to call the Kansas City. Texans and I guess he was immersive talked out of keeping the keeping the nickname when he brought him in Kansas City. But but I explained to me Kansas City getting this afl franchise you even though the afl was still relatively news. What about two years in this was I guess? Perceived as a nice addition to what was nicely percolating as as a few years into their their ownership of a baseball franchise to and arguably maybe cemented itself a bit into the world of Big League sports. Sports Yeah so Lamar Hunt. It's worthwhile remembering Lamar. Hunt was a Dallas Guy He was raised there there. He went to college there he would live as entire lives. They're basically for the entire time that he owned against the city chiefs He was an absentee absentee owner of which very pejorative label. But essentially. That's what he was. He was all about Dallas and again the whole reason he founded the AFL L. was to have his own team in the city of Dallas. So it had to be very difficult. Bram decide that to be able to compete and to keep his team afloat because in nineteen sixty two which last year that the Texans were in the city of Dallas That was also the New New York. Titans nearly went under the AFL franchise at eventually became the jets so the prospects for the AFL were really murky. A purse two or three years. The raiders in Oakland were doing very poorly never rumors about Albay might move even to the city of Kansas City before the Texans moves air. So Lamar Hunt Really had to swallow his pride and to keep that legal floating needed to find a new home. Kansas City was not as first choice. You wanted to move. The team ended New Orleans and the only reason he didn't was because there is no stadium. There I wanted to go into two lane stadium But apparently the city or the Tulane University wouldn't allow that so he just kind of cast his lot elsewhere and the mayor of Kansas City at that time a mandate and h rope. Arnold helped Talk Lamar Hunt to moving the team to Kansas City in exchange in part for an extremely generous stadium lease only a dollar a year for think it was two years Basically giving him the use of Kansas. The city's all municipal stadium or the city as played for free so That's how the chiefs came into being and how they he ended up going to Kansas City. That's also how they got the name cheeks because each row bottles nickname was the chief until Lamar Hunt Partly in tribute to portal name the team the chiefs after as you mentioned getting talked out calling them the Kansas City Texans percents He really did his heart set on that originally but it it just would have been to It's also worth noting that in nineteen sixty three by then Charlie Finley at already taken over the Kansas City as the as came to Kansas City. You know if if the American league had been on on the ball they would have moved the orioles to the west coast. Instead of two Baltimore they would have moved to St Louis browns rather to the West Coast instead of the Baltimore. Doc mortar become the orioles and they would have also moved the as to the West Coast and basically staked claim there before the National League ever got got around to it. They had that opportunity but instead they ended up going to a smaller cities in the east with old Morton in the mid west with Kansas City. And this was despite considerable skepticism by a lot of people in the American League. They were really wondering Kansas City was big enough to support baseball. There was even a line of somebody in the American League. One of the honors saying Kansas City has to be exaggerating their population claims. It must be counting. Oh No corn stalks and heifers in their population claim. It's the only way can justify having enough people to support the team and we're able able also to draw on the sport of the New York Yankees who basically had a stranglehold and our co owner del Webb over the American League at that time. So that's how the as ended up there by nineteen sixty three when the chiefs arrived he as had just had Europe to Europe utility their original owner in Kansas City. Arnold Johnson edged sold off most of their best players to the New York Yankees which really annoyed Kansas City. Ends who already felt again kind of in the shadow of New York City and resentment New York City the Yankees especially having been a longtime New York extent Yankees. Farm Club Roger Marris had been sold from the Arab traded rather as to the New York Yankees right before Ori became back to back in the key for the Yankees Bruce Homerun record and then Charlie Finley immediately wanted to start trying to move moved the team as soon as he bought it in nineteen sixty one so When the city of Kansas City went after the cheese they were really leery about maybe losing the as and maybe losing big league status altogether so there are willing to cast their lot with Lamar Hunt and with the AFL L. and That franchise even though the AFL still was on shaky ground. And they're willing to go to great lengths to get. He had that team even to the point. Basically saying here's the stadium for free man. Good luck with well. That's okay that lots of unpack there and that's that's very interesting so on the as front right so I I got the sense. That Johnson was even thinking perhaps Based on some of the things that I've read and that his alternate goal was almost like to sort of do a stopover in Kansas City and ultimately moved to the West Coast Los Angeles in particular maybe even before the dodgers even got there later in the decade too much truth to that rumor that was legit in terms of his true motivation and the Yankees collusion. That's even more interesting. Yeah that's what bill back. They'll back without her. The White Sox in those days He always believed that. That was the the Mission all along that Arnold Johnson with openly or not openly certainly covertly colluding with the New York Yankees and their ownership the Arnold Johnson Got Drawn into the ownership of the as in part because Arnold Johnson also owned Yankee Stadium back in the early nineteen fifties and leased it. Back to The owner says the Yankees so there were already ties business ties between the eighties ownership in Kansas City as ownership owner Arnold Johnson and That was built X-terry and other people have seen a lot of evidence to support it Certainly circumstantial evidence have nothing else That the whole idea was that they would be as in Kansas City just a short time and then they eventually would be moved to either San Francisco or Los Angeles and the real control of the teams would rest with the Yankees went rests with the city of New York and with Dell Webb. Ed especially And if that in fact was the case Dan ECORSE total Collusion conflict of interest in so for four. But even without that the fact that you have a team and and support remember that when the as I arrived in Kansas City Eddie Mair were very enthusiastically. Received by the people of Kansas City. Ownership are route rather attendance in their first season. Nineteen fifty eight five was second in the American League only to the Yankees even though the as were not that good a team and to see that civic support rewarded by seeing an owner continually Plucking away the very best players on your team shipping them to the New York. Eric Yankees getting a lot of washed up players and return and seeing this repeated season after season after season was in itself very demoralizing to the city of Kansas City and to the baseball fans of Kansas City. said he so it was after several years of that and then Arnold Johnson family Dropping dead during Spring Spring Training Nineteen Sixty And then being replaced after a season where Kansas City scrambled to try to find local ownership and run unable to do so Charlie Finley to be the owner who then took over that team and immediately started trying to move it out of Oh Kansas City and sell Well you can imagine how that makes Kansas City and spell already with that proverbial chip on their shoulders. There's and again looking for any Um Straw they could grasp to try to keep some semblance of big league. Status Atis Whether by trying to placate Finley with baseball or by trying to get An AFL team was the knowledge sat fan. The national. Football League would never looked twice at a city like Kansas City. While some real irony there right so Finley Finley coming in and sort of acting as I guess sort of answer uh and duplicity to. Let's be honest about him. Basically winding up with the franchise after Johnson's demise and buying it I guess from From the estate But I guess Finley was the guy that The Johnson had beaten out Originally when the as were were rattling around Philadelphia in the first first-place yeah family Can even looking to move into baseball for a long time and So he did the deal in mind to Propose to the as ownership in Philadelphia there were also of course People in Philadelphia. Who really wanted to keep the team in that city in failed to do so and It's I it seems that one of the main factors is that Worked in Arnold Johnson's baby was again. He had the business ties with the Yankees ownership and it was really the Yankees who are crucial in saying. WE'RE NOT GONNA sell to new owners in Philadelphia and we're not going to sell the team Charlie family or anybody else. We're going to sell it to Arnold. Johnson Johnson moved to Kansas City but family is a fascinating person He's seen as a savior initially now. Yeah I you knows how's four telestrator This great big profile of him in June nineteen sixty one right after he bought the team. They called him the kindly toner in baseball. which has to be the most ironic comment ever in a sports magazine considering the reputation that Finley would when have in a very short timeframe Mayor Bartle we already mentioned in Kansas City. was very concerned with Kansas City. Having big league status he he said the Charlie family has the heart of the city in his palm. It was really felt that family. What be the guy? He would keep the team in the city and even as he was saying you know by. Golly I never gonNA leave the city of Kansas City even though he was burning a bus literally. Earning a bus at east side represented the shuttle between Kansas City. New York the shuttle that a takeaway Roger Romeros in all the other as players that eventually ended up in Yankees uniforms burning. The Lisa escape clause that he said would allow him to get out of this lease it turned out that was all sham and almost immediately he began trying to move. The team is first. I target was Dallas Ironically. Enough that eventually can't city would be able to get the Dallas Texans from but for years he you know he was an insurance salesman. Postman he at no ties. Debase all I think he played it a little bit when he was very very young but he just decided it would be fun to run a baseball team team. The irony is that he turned out to be really really really good at it. He was kind of baseball savant But but that did not become apparent until several years later and along with being such a baseball genius he was also a very very petty very vain very narcissistic guy a very addictive and The of wonderful players that he signed by opening up his wallet Never came to their full potential in the city of Kansas City. It would only leap be Several years later after Oakland poached the team from Kansas City and move the as from Kansas City to Oakland Quinn in nineteen sixty seven and That coincidentally happened at about the same. Time that raiders achieves finally got past their early Troubles in got good. So on the late sixties that all of this came to a head of the rivalry between the raiders and the chiefs and then The rivalry between the as who immediately got good immediately began to win after leaving. Can't city Pearl Oakland and the rivalry between nineteen and the expansion team that Kansas City God in compensation for losing the as now. It'd be the royals before we sort of jumped back into the football side of it because that's obviously subtexts to sort of what we discussing sort of in the foreground with baseball. Why was friendly so irascible I guess and just so so fitful trying to move the team from Kansas City because it seems like there was a period of time those couple years right where Louisville was voted on and it was voted down and and then there was a there was a move towards Oakland? It looks like there's a whole bunch of other cities that were sort of in the mix and I think even threatened moving them out into some excerpts of of Kansas City out in Missouri somewhere with temporary bleachers stuff. What what was his problem with Kansas City I mean arguably the early years prior to his ownership right? There was an outpouring of interest in this team. I it almost seems like all he had to do was kind of put some effort into the team and the and the metropolitan. Mary might have actually had something going. Wilda quote Joe McGaw. Who was the longtime sportswriter for the Kansas City Star? He looked back on Finley years and years later and said I think there was just something wrong with Charlie. That's as good an explanation as I can. Come come up with I mean that whole scenario repeated itself in Oakland He. He was kind of person who when when he moved to a new city. This is the way he seemed to be when he first moved. Got Hold of the as and was in. Kansas City was like a kid with a new toy and it was just wonderful. Everything was wonderful and then he got bored and immediately it was like well. There aren't enough fans here not getting a good enough deal here. Actually one of the things that really got is go to early on. Was this Really sweet weet sweetheart kind of deal at the city. Kansas City offered Lamar Hunt and against city chiefs charging only one euro per stadium rent and so family. He said well by. Golly I've been here longer than the chiefs have and I cut a lot of my own money into trying to improve this old stadium while I should get a dollar a a year ranch to and in fact the City Council of Kansas City approved that Before a new mayor and a New City Council took office and then immediately negated the deal saying it was illegal and so he just got very angry. Very vindictive and Yeah he tried. It moved to the city of lable. He said well we can move to Louisville will become the Kentucky colonels that way we can keep the KC in our caps He said well. I'm not gonNA play in Municipal Stadium in Kansas City. I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of playing playing in a stadium. That's you know charging me an unfair Rant so I'M GONNA move the team to a cow pasture and he. He took reporters and photographers with them to this cow. Pasture was near a town. Missouri called Julia so joke van become com became. Well they're going to be peculiar as in so Finlay was just like that. It could be incredibly charming. He he was very very bright he was incredibly art working yet. Great Promotional Sense. Sometimes it was a really cheesy kind of promotional sense but you know he was one of the people who pushed for night baseball in the world series who pushed for the designated hitter and WHO's the innovations in that regard for better or worse finally did come to pass but the same thing happened when he moved the team to Oakland? At first it was really really happy. Happy with Oakland. He was talking about how he was going to draw a million aspect caters per year. And when that did not happen then immediately immediately the rumors began about how he's GonNa pull the team out of the city of Oakland and go to Washington or go to Dallas or go to Who who knows where so? 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So I guess a question around maybe Oakland's early and middle years in as a team because because I think it's also the Lynch pin of this is ultimately what's going to now become the Oakland Alameda Coliseum right because without that I don't think Finley even has a real l.. Move to go to Oakland. Does he yeah Alice and again. This was something bet People in Oakland Oakland for many years ears had a very a stolid conservative leadership as miss leadership in political leadership chip. Especially with William Noland. WHO's the former senator? US Senator from California and a longtime publisher editor of the Oakland Tribune and and With the Oakland Tribune really leading the way The city Fathers City parents. If you will open decided added that to professional sports was going to be a path to civic greatness and a key element of that would be the construction of the Oakland Coliseum. And so the planning for that started in the early nineteen sixties The ground broke in nineteen sixty four and finally opened in nineteen sixty six knicks and years. In which the Coliseum was being planned and built were the also the years that the raiders transform themselves cells from a joke into a viable franchise and the key factor. There was a very simply. Al Davis Davis coming from the chargers and and Assuming the management of team it was also the first coach of the team and he was the one who gave the the raiders sober in black uniforms and the pirates threats insignia on the helmets in sixty two and nineteen sixty three. The team finally started playing and and the city of Oakland on a temporary field. Trent you'll feel basically a high school stadium But it took create a good atmosphere within in the city of Oakland for the raiders gave us was a very good promoter. he did a very savvy job kind of playing into that chip on the shoulder Feeling that people in Oakland had an raiders fans had and in Kansas City. Eddie The chief Scott good in part because Lamar Hunt was rich and this was the time frame in which the AFL in the NFL were open warfare was performed. The merger was announced in nineteen sixty six and Lamar very deep pocket. Books that he was able to shell out a big bucks for people like Mike Garrett. Who is the heisman trophy winner? Everyone expected him to go with the Los Angeles. Rams people like Otis Taylor Several other blue-chip college athletes so by nineteen sixty six when the coliseum opens Yeah that's the time that Kansas into city finally wins first division title and goes to the first super bowl and the following year nineteen sixty seven. Oakland would win the AFL title and go to the Second Super Bowl so those two teams by the end of the sixties and the final years of the AFL really were the class of the League. Along with the Joe. Nemeth within the New York jets and It was the coliseum as well that gave Charlie Finley at potential home to move to so if that stadium had not been there He likely would not have been as interested if they would have been as interested at all and city of Oakland And it was also a key factor in persuading the American League actually approved the move of the as to Oakland. I got the sense though. He wanted to move them to to Oakland even before the that stadium was done right. And if that's the case where would they have played temporarily. Certainly not frank you'll feel which is arguably arguably just a a rectangle with some you know very broadly spread seats. Yeah basically I feel with looks to look exactly like I feel a little sets of bleachers on either side line yet nineteen sixty four at the same time that the family was talking about playing a cow pasture in talking about playing in Louisville Louisville Kentucky he also for a time was Trying to move the team to Oakland even for the Coliseum was built groundbreaking breaking had occurred. So there was the Feral there was the certitude that eventually that stadium would exist within a couple of seasons seasons but the idea was that for the first two seasons. Either they would've played in candlestick park across the bay in San Francisco. Which Horace Stoneham the owner of the giants quickly Next he said there's no way we're GONNA let An American League team play in in San Francisco in the bay area to himself with good reason and You mentioned frank. You'll feel the city of Oakland was so eager to try to land in a a major league baseball team by that point that they actually offered to rebuild drank. You'll feel for just two years Expanded enough enough that it could pass for Major League Baseball team interesting. Yeah but It ended up being a moot point because the Miracle League said you're not gonNA leave leave. Kansas City you're going to sign a new lease and that's what Charlie Finley over vocal protests on his part in up doing a signing lease kept there until nineteen sixty seven but by that point. He was sufficiently embittered man sufficiently eagerly Kansas City that. Ah There's just no way to city was going to hold him all right well so before we get into both teams domiciled in Oakland because then I think it sort of almost argues for a next generation of of of this story in this dynamic what the explain may be a bit of sort of how how the in the afl the Kansas City chiefs and the raiders became. I guess almost sort of you know unwitting rivals right I it. It's it's it doesn't seem on paper that these would have been natural rivals when the AFL being set up nor even going into the NFL but it did seem there was. Maybe you can sort of speak to it or maybe it was just kind of random. Lock that the Games were really good and competitive or maybe there was something more to it but but what was it between these two arguably not Obviously rivaled cities that maybe kind of became kind of a rivalry Anna and maybe a must watch the AFL it seemed. Yeah definitely a- Yeah you know. Usually when sports rivals you think teams that have geographic proximity. So he's got to go cup. Saint Louis Cardinals the in Chicago bears. Green Bay packers. You think of the San Francisco giants in Los Angeles dodgers. That of course was already arrived already. A A terrific rivalry in the city of New York between the Brooklyn dodgers and New York giants and then got exported to the state of California but those two teams were still still in the same state in Kansas City and Oakland are thousands of miles apart. One is a midwest city the other one is a coastal city. So you wouldn't think that they would have that kind of rivalry and I think it was big in Simply how a product of accident They were both in the Western division of the AFL NFL and so the way the AFL schedule worth. That meant that they were going to play them each other two times every season and when the two teams got good at about the same time a typically meant that those two teams every time they played or just about every time. We're playing with first place. Clayson steak so the rivalry developed that way and then You had all these great players. You had Len Dawson Otis Taylor Mike Garrett Willie Lanier Buck Buchanan. Curley culp those guys on the cheese and guys like I General Lamonica quarterback of the raiders and then later Ken Stabler Guys like Ben Davidson. George Blanda art shell gene upshaw Glencoe all these names that That football aficionados or so familiar with when all of those guys around the same field at the same time and so much is at stake in terms of This place in the standings. That's what really gave birth to the Ryan Ryan worry and as I mentioned the civic rivalry and this is about the time that I first became aware of it The civic rivalry. You really helped fuel it after. He as left the city of Kansas City for the city of Oakland then the rivalry became more than just about approach. These two football teams playing each other at least twice each season and it was two cities fighting for a big league leak prominence to cities with reason to resent each other to cities with the reason to really dislike each other both on on and off the field and this also the time that the AFL stature rose in the eyes of the country after they signed a really lucrative But ball deal with the television deal rather with NBC. Starting I think in nineteen sixty four The Games Scott Nationally televised and so You know I've seen a quote from one. Football historian who was saying that it really became came must watch television back in the days when there was still such a thing as much much watch television it was always the late game on NBC. We see the game that would air in the late afternoons that would be beamed to the old countries. The whole country became aware of the the rivalry and then the teams started fighting each other on feel full-scale brawls so it was good television in addition to being being just a good sports so all of that Built this rivalry this Rivalry that you never never would have thought What happened? That never really was planned. You could argue that. There should have been a really big rivalry between the raiders. And the chargers they were both in California in the bay area southern California rivalry yes. Conrad Hilton Wanted Right. He thought that would be the natural rival and San Diego chargers. Were actually really good early on in the AFL but that did not correspond with Really quality years for the most part for the raiders or the chiefs so by the time the raiders. The chiefs were in their ascendancy. The chargers they were still a good team. Were not really in the class of those two other teams. So that's really how the rivalry existed got it. And that's one of the things that I just found so interesting about. It is Kansas City and Oakland or not to cities. You think have a whole lot in common but in fact they did have a lot in common during this time period and they were bound together through this rivalry that nobody planned. Yeah and then. And then. Maybe sort of Accented by the as absconding to Oakland and dome asylum themselves ultimately in the same stadium as those dreaded hated rival raiders in the football side of things maybe we can sort of also sort of maybe Backfill than what happened when the as left Kansas City because really quickly for some obvious reasons that maybe not so obvious reasons. Kansas City was not bereft of Major League baseball for for too long after the as departure. Yeah so the deal. Was that the American League owners got together in October. Nineteen sixty seven. The main thing that they were meeting to discuss whether the as as would be allowed to move from Kansas City to Oakland. And you know the other owners did not like Charlie Finley. They're not naturally predisposed to give him whatever he wanted. In fact had captain removing the team before and basically forced him to sign a new lease with the city of Kansas City so so It was not clear that the move would be allowed. But he made a good case and the The city leaders. Here's in Oakland. People like William Nolan again of the publisher of the Tribune Made a case that we have this brand new stadium. They're going to be a really good home over Major League baseball it will help with scheduling in the American League because the California Angels had already started play and Anaheim so again there would be two teams American League teams in the State of California which would E. L. Travel and help with rivalries and so forth so the case was made that the team should move but Kansas City ends. Were having nothing of it. And they sent her own delegation allegation to this meeting and said look this guy has been trying to sabotage baseball at this guy. Charlie Finley has been trying to sabotage baseball in Kansas City. Basically ever since he it got old the team in nineteen sixty one. And we've done everything we can detri- to To try to pacify him a man it just hasn't worked and now you're letting him take this team away from us with all this young talent about to blossom and it was pretty obvious even then that the team was about to get really really good and so how can you help at this happen. And it was really Stewart Simonson who was a the United States senator from Missouri who issued a not so veiled threat. Needy said if you take Major League baseball fall away from Kansas City for a prolonged period of time or take it away from Kansas City forever. I'm just going to have to start a little antitrust investigation. Gatien Congress about Major League Baseball and the Big League honors. Were already very leery about such action because Um on the Milwaukee braves had just lactic early thirteen seasons Matt Lana and the big stink was raised about that over in the National League. Antitrust suits threatened back then so he said okay. We'll give Kansas City I'm a new major league team. Expansion team will start playing nineteen sixty nine. So Kansas City ended up being without big league baseball for only one year when luckless. They would be without baseball for at least three years. If you're ever ever were able to get another team again and the royals ended up being sort of consolation prize but it turned out to be a a nice consolation prize because that team got to be pretty good pretty quickly quickly and then their chief rivals and the American League West Division. The new American League West Division turned out to be the Oakland A.'s. The same team that had let Kansas City and we have people are so. That's how the rivalry bled over baseball into a new decade. Or maybe we can sort of round round the corner with that sort of that new decade because obviously the seventy s were interesting. I guess is is just a potentially mundane word to kind of describe it right but the rivalries between these two cities now with firmly established teams in both football and in baseball. Seems like that They just became in deeper and more entrenched and and almost sort of go to in terms of expectation that That fireworks were going to fly and competitiveness ruinous would sort of be at a at a heightened level when these two teams were taking the field. And I'M GONNA I'M GONNA make a sort of random sort of statement here. It feels else to me that maybe on the football gridiron. It was a little more heated than on the baseball diamond. Or would you argue that. They were similar in terms of peak. Will certainly the chiefs chiefs raiders. Rivalry has the raiders. Rivalry exists to this very day and will likely persist. Even after the raiders moved to Las Vegas I mean. It was a heated rivalry when the raiders friend Los Angeles reform before moving back to Oakland so when people think of a Kansas City when rivalry. That's what they think of. They don't think of a riot or really between the royals and the as having said that For a a brief period especially agitate between about nineteen seventy three in one thousand nine hundred seventy six which coincided with very colorful time in baseball generally The royals in the as were very very heated rivals and I mentioned it coincided with the whole time in baseball I just remembered as a time when fights broke out routinely Uh Beginnings pitchers plunking players and other teams Better than charging the mound. Sometimes these fights sir spilling over into the spectators And the royals and the as were two teams that did not like teach other and I grew up with this rivalry as I mentioned. I just remembered it at whenever a Kansas City professional team whether it was either the chiefs of the raiders whenever they would venture into the Oakland Coliseum. Bad things would happen Really Awful things would happen to the chiefs. They would get crushed. Their players would be the subject of cheap hits and so forth and then the same things seem to happen with baseball. Because he mid nineteen seventies. Where the time that the Kansas City royals became contenders a little bit? Ebbs schedule people didn't expect an expansion team. You get that good that quickly but they did and unfortunately for the Kansas City royals coast correspondent with the time that the Oakland A.'s were the best team in baseball and won three consecutive world series. And so it was a time that just says on the football deal Mu saw roles between the two teams Bean ball wars or words. Nasty things being said about vowed each other in the press With locker room copy Posting things in the locker room to try to get motivated at the other teams James Players had supposedly said Anna culminated in nineteen sixty six in a game in the coliseum where the coliseum fans started throwing beer on the Kansas City royal's bowl in the royals bullpen started fighting back. One of the royals players grabbed as spectators. Umbrella started swinging and and and so for at least a brief period. The baseball rivalry was every bit as heated as the football rivalry. Well it's also interesting too because as the seventy four Ronald Jonathan Finley kind of I mean obviously. There was some some championship seasons there in the early part of the decade but by the end of the decade. It's clear that the royals were. We're certainly more ascendant. And the as maybe self inflicted from Finley's shall we call them curious ways. I think it's seventy nine talking about like hundreds of people showing up at the as game so the latter part of the decade. Yeah there's a famous story. I think there was a game in April. Seventy seventy eight or seventy nine in the coliseum a night game and of course night games in the colosseum can be very cold especially in April early in the season it and there was something like a paid attendance of six hundred eighty nine except at the people. Were there saying. That was a grows over statement that it wasn't nearly as taking the tendency. Is that one player. Started counting literally each person in the stands of forty finally gave up but yeah it was Finley's But also just his cheapness. He decided he couldn't compete anymore because by the late nineteen seventies was the age of Free Agency Z.. And so just decided. Well I'm going to get out and get out of the game and in the meantime I'm GONNA run. This operation on the cheapest strummed shoestring that I can possibly do it But even then you know Finley Still was able to get some really league players. The most famous would been Ricky Henderson Who made his debut Right at the end of the seventies and the beginning of the nineteen eighties and I and After apparently sold the team by the early eighties and especially toward the end of that decade yeas were powers again but Certainly by the end of the decade the royals were the main team in the American league. West the as had pretty much collapsed their dynasty and the real rivalry that the right experience became with the New York Yankees by the late seventies also described to me then and obviously. There's a lot more rich detail L. in this book and I it's really very well researched I will I give you Kudos for that especially because it does Unearth a few sort of lesser lesser-known. Or maybe not even known real facts when you look at it and you juxtapose these two cities and the way they grew up if you will and became sort of part of modern modern metropolitan areas and how sports was either directly or indirectly sort of part of that sort of that maturation. I guess. You're probably probably the best person asked this sort of baby. Wrap Up. Question is sort of where you know. Where do we see Oakland and Kansas City with its relationships relationships plural sports and themselves as metropolitan areas going forward? I mean you look at things like the explosion of growth within the bay area and how Oakland is becoming gentrified but maybe that's the the the proper word for it. Kansas City certainly You know how has with the wizards for example and and the district downtown and and the Sprint Center. I'll be now without a still without an NHL or an NBA be a franchise. But it's a major metropolitan area now almost to the point of rivalling that of Saint Louis in terms of population and influence. What of these two Metropolitan Altun areas? And how much would you say that sports is still part of their lives going forward. I it seems to me like they're still pretty inextricably extricably entwined Oakland is an interesting case. Study Right now. Because they are about to lose the raiders. Probably after this season it not and yeah. After next season it release seems to depend on whether the new stadium in Las Vegas will be ready by Twenty twenty season warriors to now go into across across the bay to their new their brand new center right in this talk about the as probably staying though and that might be interesting if If the right stadium environment can be done economically economically and that's the real key question The city of Oakland seems to Have decided that it simply is not worth trying to shell out enormous sums of public dollars. You try to keep a team like the raiders especially or to try to compete with the taste center in San Francisco so it really comes down to do they really want to do whatever it takes to keep the as in the city of Oakland and and So the real question will be Will there be a new ballpark for the as and if so where will be located in outlet be paid for and and to an outsider. And I'm definitely an outsider. When it comes to the city of Oakland it sounds to me as though the as are saying the right sorts of things they are saying that you know we will find the pay for the stadium ourselves with certain conditions? But they're not expecting the city of Oakland or the bay area at a shell out all the funding for it. But it's very controversial because of gentrification because of an affordable housing crisis in the bay area and in the city of Oakland and because of the same sorts of a racial divisions in class divisions that have long been terroristic the bay area Question will really come to the fore in the very near future. They haven't come to the already. What will the city of Oakland really be willing to do to try to keep the age or will they eventually decide? You know what we don't feel as though Given all the other priorities that we have to the deal with that having that Major League Baseball identity or that majorly entity generally is all that important anymore so that makes Oakland real will an interesting case study going forward in the city of Kansas City in the immediate future teams. So the city doesn't really have have anything to worry about that. The royals and the chiefs are there. mess with the leases signed at the Truman Sports Complex. At least until until the year twenty thirty one but then you realize that the year twenty thirty one is really not that far away If you are thinking at all about a new sports facility by the year twenty thirty won the Truman Sports Complex will be almost sixty years. Old and new ownership is about to take over the Kansas City city royals And there's a lot of talk about maybe. There should be a downtown ballpark in Kansas City. There hasn't been a downtown ballpark in Kansas City. Basically ever despoil stadium was located A fair distance away from the city centre so the city of Kansas City is going to have to deal with the same sorts of questions that Oakland has been dealing with. Should there be a new stadium if so where should it be WHO's GonNa pay for it with everything else that urban areas have to deal with? Is it really that important to keep the chiefs and the raiders. I and so. That's really the key question. That this whole sports rivalry in the whole history behind it raises. I will go on record that I think Professional Shnell sports Can do a fair amount to bring together a cities people. I think it does engender. Civic Pride cried it's important not to place too much weight on it to the expense of everything else especially when it comes to public spending on sports sports facilities in sports teams because sports teams have Delta have resorted to virtual extortion when it comes to playing MM cities against one another Detroit Hall Teams but still I would like it to the as remained in the city of Oakland. A.'s have a great history history in the city of Oakland and certainly both achieve Sunday. Royals have established the great history the city of Kansas City. So so it would be nice to see a fruitful compromise reached but We live in really interesting times and the years eh promised to be even more interesting. Well I think that's right and I know we certainly didn't talk about soccer in this conversation. But you look at major league soccer almost sort of as Even a shorter microcosm of Jekyll and Hyde Co locating within a NFL arenas and building soccer specific stadiums. I sort of suburban areas like in in Kansas City's case out almost near Kansas City Kansas and the border there but then actually now a renaissance just just within a few years of seeing how downtown might be a more authentic quote unquote soccer experience especially if a brand. New Stadium is built in Saint Louis evidence of that but Kansas the city having a created frankly a transformation of their original major league soccer franchise with a very successful one. Not this year on the field performance with Sporting Kansas City and the beautiful park a state of the art park near Kansas City. Kansas I it's just very interesting. How real estate has become Almost sort of issue one perhaps more so than in any other era professional sports in this country and I guess to your point point how cities quote Unquote Metropolitan Areas. Civic Pride almost seems to kind of bow or cower to the the sort of real estate issues related even before the team and its play and and maybe what it means for civic pride in terms of playing lying and the actual sport itself which is really weird really interesting if you're a longtime sports fan but perhaps a sign of the times economically and this is not a new concept except we've seen this at the earliest days of baseball back in the eighteen hundreds right. It's a business but it seems like the business has is an all capital letters. Now you know. It's a very interesting dynamic that we're kind of boomerang into and I you know the money's getting bigger and the stakes are getting higher. And the how tax payers and municipalities. Deal with that. And some having the gumption to say no some recognizing that they desperately desperately or think they desperately needed to to keep their status amongst other cities and metropolitan areas. It's a really interesting time isn't it is and I think cities have started to wise up. I think The city of Oakland has wised up. When it came to the raiders? You know it's ironic onic that the city of Oakland rebuilt the Coliseum to get the raiders back from the city of Los Angeles after the raiders lost at left once before and eh that enormous Centerfield deck called Sardonically. Mount Davis after Al Davis. The owner of the raiders. At that time the Davis family still owns the team gene and so they built that Centerfield deck for expanded football seating and apparently that deck is even being used or football seating anymore for the city of Oakland. I think has learned a hard and bitter lesson when it comes to Football at least other cities are also looking more critically seems at Just the price. That really is worth pain to try to keep or attract a major league team Man They are balancing against other kinds of priorities. One of which is trying to make the central business district's or the urban hub. Really vital. Interesting place you know if they new stadium whether it's football or soccer baseball or whatever is a means toward Really rejuvenating downtown area and it can be done in a relatively cost efficient sort of way eight then they can be a good thing but then there are cities like Las Vegas. And I don't want to harp too much on Las Vegas because I haven't researched it enough but you know it it does make you wonder When a city decides it's going to shell out seven hundred fifty million dollars in public money to try to land a football team? Um with all the burden needs at the Las Vegas area has and whether that's really gonNA pay off for that community Maybe it will. It does show that there are still cities in the waning months at the Second Decade of the twentieth century. That are still really eager to be big-league. He can still eager just as Kansas City in Oakland. We're back in the nineteen fifty to nineteen sixty s to really pay a price. They think it's a worthwhile price to be able to say. We had bigly hockey. We had big league football. Maybe we'll have big league baseball other sports And this will really put us on the map as a metropolitan area to be reckoned with so in some respects Cities are repeating history and another respects are making new history by breaking away from this pattern. Ah Basically paying whatever prize may think needs to be paid for Being basically all right you consider yourself a fan of the Oakland raiders for the Kansas City chiefs. 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Episode 197: Cyberpunk 2077

Gamer Talk Podcast

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Episode 197: Cyberpunk 2077

"Gamer talk podcast Found hello listeners. Gamers peaks grownups and internet. Welcome back to call drones gamer talk. Podcast talking video games right out of northern arizona. Some worse in washington from the inside of lizzie bar. In night city this is season number two episodes one ninety seven. You're listening to a weekly podcast when we talk about everything anything but mainly video games. I'm your host. Chris and today the full crew is here all right. Let's start the show. It's tar for. What have you been playing. Let's start off this week with john. John what are you drinking. What have you been playing sweet buddy king. Vodka and blackberry sparkling water bubbly bubbly. Yeah one of these things. Oh yeah boublil play. Well it's the why it's not an e-. No vodka come hell. It's smirnoff so it's not tito's but you know what i had heard offers blackberry smirnoff to go to your blackberry is as it's just regular vodka anyway this week. I played halo five with because he really wanted to play. It played a little bit of modern warfare. Multi-player I think i played assassin's creed after the podcast last week. 'cause cyberpunk was out yet and then i went to bed and then i played cyberpunk feel like. That's it sweet all right. We're going to move on down to miguel. Miguel what are you drinking. What have you been playing sweet bud. Drinking monster and i have been played. Aiding cyberpunk twenty seventy seven am. That's it okay. I feel like you've played modern. Wherever i may have played a little bit of warzone value on warzone. A small break from cyberpunk can play a little bit of warzone But gals couple of hours. Maybe nice while. I'm i'm glad everything's back to normal. You're drinking monster so we're good so are gonna move on down the joe joe. What are you drinking. What have you been playing week. Buddy architecture three would. That's all it's left. Oh damn remember. When i bought this bottle so i might kill it. I dunno. I got that much left in the glass so nice i have to go. Do a a scotch run or my brother-in-law gets here Let's see at the end of the podcast last week. like john. I played a little bit of beat it and then got to play cyberpunk and then thanks to you chris. Ni- turned on my oculus quest in fucked around with the our chat and play the new top golf update which is actually not just putting anymore. But it's actually simulating you being at times gulf. So it's the wedge the drivers everything you know with the targets. Yeah we go. is it free. No i would have imagined something like that. Update is free. Ready biden. Talks about pro putter. I think it's like twenty bucks that's twenty bucks and you get that plus plus the driving grain and then they have like Chip pong stugotz like beer pong. But you have to chip it into the cup. They have cornhole like actually you know. Grab the bags and cornhole and then there's like an island game where you have to chip it and get scores and stuff. But they've created multiplayer environment and it's great. I love it. Fantastic is fan fucking tastic. So that's it for me. What about you chris. all right. let's see on my series. X i played some vol. Hala intel cyberpunk came out and i was playing the shit out of twenty seventy seven so enjoying the fuck outta that game. I love it. It's it's fucking awesome Play as the street kid and then Let's see what else i did. Play a little bit of war zone with my friend. Chris for a little bit And then moving onto my switch. I played high warriors age of calamity and animal crossing doing the whole winter season thing. That's going on there and then Switched over to my quest to and i've been playing a shit ton of game so i picked up orbis. Vr emma o. Implying that I played contractors population one and then of course the top golf which is probably my favorite game and what i like about it too is. I've been you can actually go in and share music so you can play music videos and i'm telling you miguel. I played tech nine. I played bone thugs and harmony. I played a lot of cool albums even crazy bone. I tried to look up a bunch of albums that maybe i could trick the system and they don't have it but they do have it like was playing like a full album of stuff while i was playing golf. No top golf. Oh sorry i was. I was my phone. I was looking for questrom quick distracted. You have one in the room. I know it's right here but it's wired opening. No i do right. Yeah rather not for me. You should give them the computer one. They will have a computer that can run it. That's not your problem. And then also i played solaris on the quest to which is the makers of i I contact say makers a firewall zero hour. And it's like it's like halo but in vr. And i'm enjoying the fuck out of it so it's an arena shooter. And that's pretty much me this week. Fucking vr and. I'm enjoying the hell out of my quest all right time for the news. Joe you ready. Yup let's get to it. I'm gonna try and make it quick because we gotta get to the greatest segment in the world. Weekly news keeping us informed and up-to-date in gaming industry So it's all pretty much cyberpunk news except for one So e offers one point two billion for code masters baker of dirt Take to was in the running to buy it but it looks like ea is going to buy it Next is Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven will soon no longer be a dildo paradise so those of us that have played it and have noticed the So many dildos in the in the foreground background everywhere so the reasoning behind it was It's a code and it's their spawning more than they should have so in the coating read from cd project red. Oh my gosh prepared They said that the code that they entered in was for the dildo but they didn't enter the value. They didn't reduce it so they kept high. So normally it's supposed to be like a soda can or a cheeseburger or something like that. But it's actually dildos. So that is is that that number value in the code is higher than everything else. It's supposed to be spotting meal so what you're saying is they. Were trying to fuck winch. The testers and they're like you get lots of dildos forgot to turn it off exactly that's fucking. We forgot to turn this down so future. Updates credit that to kind of go away. Let's see what else they also have a. They already made the money that it costs to make the game. So if anybody's aware just on pre orders alone they made the money back so the eight million preorders so they've already recoup the cost of the make of the game so and it's already beat out a world of warcraft shadowlands for rpm for the fastest selling pc game of all time so it already beat that. So kudos sony is refusing cyberpunk twenty seventy seven refunds. So those of you that don't know cyberpunk or cd project. Red admitted that they didn't invest enough time in the current jin versions of the game. Sorry i forgot the new the new consuls route so yeah last gen so the xbox one the ps four they didn't invest invest enough time into versions they Oh ice cream risky. God dang risky missing out the ice cream. Anyway it's not as grim. It's giorno his roman what you suck on some noodles lebron needles slurping it kicking slurp bernama wet noodles dinner chan's anyway. Cd project red had confirmed. That didn't spend a lot enough time. They didn't invest time in the last gen console or the make the game invested more on the courage. In which is the series exodus. Five so sony is refusing the refunds urging players to wait for the update which should be early twenty twenty one so a lot of people were bitching about playing cyberpunk twenty seventy seven on a ps four and xbox one Because we're so glitchy buggy and all this other bullshit so they were submitting refunds. But sony said timeout. Hold on wait until the update. Twenty twenty one and then submit a refund. But there's a catch if you want your refund even after the update you have to submit a ticket prior to. i think it's the twenty first of december. Which is monday monday. So you've got from now until monday to start your ticket in. I believe it's the help me refund at cd project. Red dot com. So you submit. Get your and get your ticket. Made before the twenty first. So you're eligible if you still don't like it to get your refund money but after that Both xbox and playstation or just for playstation. Both what i'm hearing is xbox not really having that much problems with the refund sony's hold on hold on you know. The xbox has had a refund system recently and already in place. So yeah thank you for reminding me let me write it down. What am i. The folks refund because butter increase. Your butters doesn't have a series x yet But he said that when he first started playing a game he couldn't even get to one mission without crashing and kicking him out of the game. It looks awful. I would yeah i would not i'm i. I don't know if he has a one extra. Not if esser one. The mace models the the fat playstation four and the xbox one with no letters after it's those are the ones that look like shit. I your mind looks okay. Rum glad i actually read all the articles. Pretty much summed up three articles into that one discussion. So that's all. I got the news all right suite. We're gonna move on down to our dates to monarchy buddy. Oh yeah sure. Demonic defeats keeping us on track with what video games are coming out soon. Fahkry it won't scroll. The december kei semper sixteen k and makes gp twenty twenty playstation xbox over i two super league xbox playstation switch in super meat boy forever on the switch on the twenty third in that over to his twenty. That's all we got it. It's the normal end of year holiday. Everything's already come out. Nothing's coming out the week of christmas slash new years. Cool all right. we're going to. We're gonna move on down to the best segment in the world. John are you ready for it. Yes tom ridge. Ladies and gentlemen stepped down all right this week on the more you know. Today i was watching a video on that pulled up on my feet on facebook about the history of the nfl with all the original teams dating back to eighteen something before it became the merged with the afl. Become the what we know. Today is the nfl and it was interesting to see. All of the name changes that happened across the league in their moves and everything. So what i did is i went. I finished watching the video on it a little bit more research to find out what the origins are. Inspirations were for all of the tea maps and found some interesting things. I didn't know so first of all It's the list that i have is in order of the city. They are in currently. Okay so wanna list is the era. Zona cardinals sorry originally established in eighteen. Ninety eight in chicago as the chicago cardinals. Then makes them the oldest team in the nfl and also the least successful. Hey john in nineteen o one chris. O'brien purchased used and faded maroon jerseys from the university of chicago and dubbed the color cardinal red and the nickname stuck as the cardinals. The bird was in nineteen. Forty seven was first featured on the helmet in nineteen. Sixty atlanta falcons. There was a radio station sponsored contest to name. The team ended up with over thirteen hundred votes and five hundred possible names. Names not picked peaches vibrance lancers confederate's firebirds and thrashers. Amit the falcons ended up being chosen. Because it in quotations is a proud and dignified it proud and dignified with great courage and fight is deadly and has great sporting tradition. We go. I should have just called him. The chokers from the start right. Probably baltimore ravens So the baltimore. Ravens came about after the baltimore. Colts moved to indianapolis and then the cleveland browns Suspended football operations in their entire team. Moved to baltimore as a new franchise. So cleveland browns still had held their franchise in cleveland. They just didn't have a team The owner of the baltimore. Ravens originally tried to bow by the name. Colts back from indianapolis but indianapolis at no kept the name. So then there was a contest conducted by the baltimore. Sun and raven was chosen because it is a reference to edgar allan poe's famous poem other contenders. Were marauders american raiders bulldogs mustangs and steamers. I like the raiders. Steamers really railed them getting railed all right next up. Is the buffalo bills Another fan contest in nineteen ninety seven. Renamed the team from the buffalo bisons to the buffalo bills. The name was a reference to buffalo. Bill cody it was selected over other options like bullets nichols and the blue devils nichols buffalo. Blue would have been cool. That sounds like a hockey team though it does it. Pretty sure no red devils. The he's attorney. Okay yeah i was like that. He's never hockey team. Has doubled in the name anyway. Next up The panthers Panthers were named by the son of the owner when they were came expansion team because in quotation its name our family thought signifies what we thought a team should be powerful sleek and straw chicago bears dob originally the dictator staley's they moved to chicago in nineteen twenty one playing their home games at wrigley field. Also home of the chicago cubs in nineteen twenty two. The new owner. George halas changed the name to the bears because of the relationship to the club and he thought the they should be bigger. Can football players are generally bigger than baseball players. So the bears the bears. The bears officially change to the da. Sauber's bears bear stuff Next up cincinnati bengals so there was a football team in cincinnati from nineteen thirty seven and nineteen forty two and so they named the team after the same team of the same name just to own to the original team in cincinnati. They're the most popular fan suggestion for the team was the buckeyes. They didn't choose that. Thank god because of ohio state. Ohio state fan of them anyway. The browns so A this one's kinda fun A fan contest actually chose the browns There's speculation whether it was named after joe louis. The browns bonner bonner right caught the brown bomber. It'll make you stitcher pants anyway or the first coach paul brown so there's debates who the named the team after joe louis or on But paul brown the first coach. Gm vetoed the contest name and chose the panthers only to then be told by a local businessmen that businessmen the rights to the name cleveland panthers so he had to go back to the browns. And there's the cleveland browns for you My all right the cowboys a red noses fun originally going to be called the stairs that for the record their inaugural season they went eleven one. Oh they tied. So the reason that didn't go as steers is the gm decided that having a castrated cattle as a mascot mike subject the team to some ridicule didn't really matter they still get ready to so He then decided he was gonna go with the rangers but settled on cowboys to avoid being confused with the minor league. Baseball team also called the rangers and the texas rangers baseball team not minor league. You said time at the time okay. They they were minor league. They specifically said minor league team of the same name zone. Next is the broncos There was a team contests team name contest was one hundred sixty two enter entries. That name was chosen. There was also a midwest minor league baseball team that played by the broncos back in nineteen twenty. One in the same area should've called a donkey. Dick's that's this one's fun to the lions. The portsmouth spartans moved to detroit in nineteen thirty four and owner. George richards changed the name to the lions to relate the baseball team to the tiger relate to the baseball team the tigers so lions and tigers. I guess but he's also quoted as saying the lion is the monarch of the jungle. We hope to be the monarch of the league. But the record shell. They have zero super bowl appearances so he missed the mark with that name they sure. Did you have zero wins so pipe down i know. Hey we're in the super bowl though. Oh god here we go again. Move on move along sir. I miss bouncer. Was like the finkel and nine hundred argument packers founder orlando's employer the indian packing company sponsored. The team in the name stuck even after the company folded so green bay packers but texans Name comes from the dallas. Texans who were a one on. Hold the phone hold on woman. Originally they were a one season team in the nfl. Nineteen fifty two thousand the last franchise to fold in the nfl. They later returned and then moved to kansas city to become chiefs Then they became an expansion team in two thousand two in houston and that name was chosen. Over the apollo's and stallions stallions cowboys in the stallions from texas steers and the stallions from outer inflections. Here's and quick that or not. There's a quiz. let's see no horns. Pretty much doubt colts originally from baltimore which is known for its history of course breeding. So they named it. The colts at named trench remained with the franchise when it relocated indianapolis in one thousand nine hundred eighty four jaguars. It was a fan contest. Entry and it just so happened that the oldest living jaguar in north america was housed at the jacksonville zoo. At the time. It beat out other options like the sharks and stingrays hubbard like the shorts. The bill jaws the dallas. Texans moved to kansas city in nineteen sixty and became the chiefs chosen to honor the native americans it at once in the air and possibly because it kansas city mayor h. roe bartle was nicknamed the chief though. The chargers contest ended when owner barron hilton opened a letter from gerald courtney submitting the chargers. The story is that after. He opened that what he did not open another letter in the contest. Like fuck imagine. I purposefully if they created a time machine and if i had my delorean i would go back and reread. They're all those letters and make sure that he opens the worst name submission. Letter star's the shirts shorts. Yeah yeah starship tacos. The rams originating in cleveland in nineteen thirty six. The rams rams was chosen because the gm damon buzz wetzel. favorite favorite. Football team was the ford ham. Rams college team and vince lombardi's al-matar the dolphins contests drawing twenty thousand entries with more than six hundred fans suggesting the dolphins marjorie swanson was declared the winner after correctly Addicting tie in a college football game between miami and notre dame as part of the follow-up contest. She credits a magic eight ball with her win one. A lifetime season pass to the dolphins games. Vikings jamba rose says said it represented both an aggressive person with the will to win and the nordic tradition in the north midwest northern midwest. That's why they chose the vikings. That's racist patriots. Originally the boston yanks. James name your team contest in ninety. Four kids yanks the saints chosen by owner. John malcolm it is a nod to the city's jazz heritage and taken from the popular song when the saints go marching. In coincidentally the franchise maybe not coincidentally franchise was awarded on all saints day november first nineteen sixty six so the giants not creative taken from the baseball team at said see. That's what i would have thought that originally thought the cardinals took their name from the saint. Louis cardinal baseball team. But thank you for the clarification. Because now i know that now. Yeah i knew about the marine. The maroon jerseys i read it on a website. Carl's website did you know about the chicago cardinals. Yeah i knew there chicago cardinals. They talked about the history on arizona. Cardinals dot com and they talked about the maroon color and that's how they made it. The the cardinal color stuck with the cardinals so yeah the jets originally named the titans it was changed in nineteen sixty three when the bankrupt team was purchased jets chosen because the team would play. Its home games next to laguardia. Airport other choices were the dodgers major league. Baseball said no can't use that name the gotham hs which they went away from. Because they didn't like the idea of it being shortened to the goths and the their jerseys cream black whatever The boroughs which is supposed to be a play on the word borough. Which is that. You know the boroughs of new york but they said it sounded too much like a believe. It's a spanish word borough which they didn't want people to start calling them the new york jackasses. Right which are now. Jets should have just gone with that. Because that's what they are. Now the raiders. So originally the a name the team contest. Joe hold on joe. Joe you want to hear this one is a good story is it. it is. I think it is. I think it is so there was a name. The contest Team contests and the winning entry was actually the senors and the lady who submitted it went to the bahamas but then the weeks following there was a lot of ridicule and the fans fans claimed that the contest was fixed and then a reporter also noted that there was no they. When they're writing typing. They can't put that little squiggly thing about the end. I don't know what it's called. I don't sorry yes joe. Around what time period was this shit. Do you happen says go. I'm saying that's what it is. She created the senors right. Seeing your the oakland for now because like ninety percent of their fan base are all hispanic but at that time machine when she created that name or she came up with that name. Mostly raider fans were all white senior and the racist because they didn't want on a hispanic name for a predominantly white team. Senor and plus davis said decided with the raiders which was also another finalist in the contest and another option that they had was the lakers. Don't the raiders right philadelphia. Eagles do you know why that shows the eagles because it hurts jalen nineteen nine hundred. Eighty three new owners of the bankrupt. Frank for yellow jets. Yellow to- faulk frankford. Yellow jackets changed their names to the eagles. Which is named for the symbol of the national recovery. Act part of president. Franklin d roosevelt's new deal. There's an eagle on the logo for the recovery act. Meteors steelers rigidly the pirates like the baseball team from nineteen thirty three to nineteen forty owner art rooney held a renamed the team contest in nineteen forty after losing seasons in. Its first seven years. I mean like right. Now they're winning. They're winning in a made up in fantasy league. They're playing teams. Of course they're going to go. They had the record that they have where they live. They have a winning record. That's not arguing whether or not they deserve whether or not they played quality teams like this is coming from the one. That's always like winnings winning. No that's chris anyway. I'll take it w cardinals fan. I'll take a w any chosen because of the steel mills in the area forty niners golden gold rush of nineteen eight. Fuck eighteen forty nine. I wrote nineteen forty nine dumb ass. Eighteen forty nine or deniers didn't read gold one yet. So that's why they still got to do another. Vikings london down with that story yet. Need seahawks name the team contest in nineteen seventy five drew. Twenty thousand submissions with seventeen hundred unique names like the skippers pioneers lumberjacks and seagulls the skippers really glad. They didn't pick the eagles high school. Mascot was the seagulls. And we always got these little skipper. Could you imagine job with seattle. Skippers jersey skippers killing anyway. Fuck you guys team. And miami's franchise in the all. American football conference both used the nickname the nineteen fifties gm. John thompson said our new name suggests of aggressiveness reflects are soaring northwest heritage and belongs to no other major league team seahawks. It's amazing how like their logo is almost you know like native american it They don't want to acknowledge that. It's not as native american as it used to be. That's what i'm saying when it was originally created it was now that changed like a yanked copy and pasted off and fucking totem pole and shit. Yes so it's like could have done a little tip of the hat to that you know. We already has the apple named after the native malay chief the redskins well cheap cert- racist but anyway keep going seattle is named after chief seattle native american chief. And there's a ton of names in washington a really hard to pronounce because their native american origins. I mean like pure walla scam snohomish snohomish snoqualmie so mistrial. I don't think exists anymore. Emerged is on Wtrw yet there. Maybe i don't know how the tribe does not that far away so we're gonna fireworks all right buccaneers. There's a panel of local sports writer and nfl reps through chose buccaneers from list of more than four hundred names. In nineteen. Seventy five was also the popular choice among fans in in the area In a team con name the team contest as it was a nod to the pirates who raided florida's coasts during the seventeenth century i tampa bay goats and over the skip bayless puppy now top. I would pay money for them. Just once during the season. Where the creamsicle uniforms. I wanna see that bitch tom brady. And a creamsicle uniform. They have have yet to do that because they don't do the color rush thing anymore. Move on titans moving to houston from tennessee in nineteen. The oilers changed their named after contest. Which also suggested the tornadoes copperheads south stars and ramblers owner said we wanted a new nickname to reflect strength leadership and other heroic qualities and last and not least. Well maybe not the least washington football team to say it. Have you seen redskins originally. I want to give the house. Tin braves owner. George marshall changed the name to redskins after purchasing. The team is he said it was to honour. Head coach and native. American william henry lone star dietz however there is some question on whether or not the was native american. The redskins kept their name when they relocated to washington dc in nineteen thirty seven fast forward to today. We're no one in washington. Dc is created enough to come up with a new net. See i think. I think the redskins should have been called. The patriots and patriots should have been called chowder or goats chowder outta. I love home chowder. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with clam chowder. But i think what else in boston do. We care about chatter chatter chatter officers. What burgers walks fix all burgers burgers yet. The bruins should be called the new england. Warburg's Yeah he go with the k. One fitting yeah and that is it for my information in the marino. This week joke. Did i miss answers now. Their son named him owner's son named the panthers did. I miss it was under carolina. Panthers history behind it. It's just it's a. it's a expansion team the son of the owner named it panthers. Because it's in the name family thought signifies what we wanted team. We think a team should be powerful seeking straw copper asleep instruct. That's right okay. I missed the first part. Like yeah. That was the panther the background screeching sound like. Oh my god. It's like a screeching owls. Jesus christ let go go back to let it go back. Turn it off the snowman dammit. Yeah a lot of carrot. Elsa loves you now move along. I'm sorry oh my god next time to are what the fox and i already have one so you guys have any what the fuck this week. Yes and it's time for vote for the week. Joey go for it all right. I remembered him. Because thanks to everyone else. I remembered You know the funny thing on the funny thing is What was the word that you remember. Joe refund the thing the funny thing about you're remembering your what the fuck about a refund is you. Were the one talking about refunds. And thanks for reminding me. Yeah i was talking to yourself so thank you so i was playing like before. All of this bullshit happened with all khawla and with cyberpunk right. I was playing on the switch playing animal. Crossing and shit you know a are switched on the switch. Okay nintendo as we're be as as so after. Jesus christ no. It's sorry i'm not regrets. That whip that asks can fucking muslim anyway. We'll have one daughter in. That already. worries me again. Imagine to jesus. So i stopped playing on the switch into the xbox and was like oh fuck. I have to preorder cyberpunk before. It's too late. So i'm in the store. I'm looking around pat. If you drink. You know what i mean and i'll okay so i'm looking at. Oh cyrus okay. So anyway it ends up highlighting watchdogs ultimate edition in a purchased it after the fact that i had already have the physical copy with the skull collector's edition Already installed an xbox allowed me to buy it. Even though i already have it and it knows that i haven't but you could have exchanged your disc anyway. So yeah. That was the first. What the fuck that fact that. Why do you have to switch ambi a anyway. I was drinking john. S so this was on your switch. No this was on my xbox. Okay so i did. Thank you microsoft. I had to type an explanation. Because i said i already have the physical copy. I'm i tried to date my united. I seriously said. I was under the influence and accidentally pressed watchdogs. Because it was right next to the cyberpunk so you had like watchdogs. Alternate cyberpunk right next to it. And i just was like okay cool. Yeah and i was trying to back out in my mind. I'm like backout back out but it was no purchase purchase and i bought it so hey i told them i said i was playing on the switch. I switched over in gave him this whole story and sure enough microsoft said here. Here's your money back. But that's that was my first book from that was like three weeks ago. Second what the fuck is those of you that saw something. Last week i have high frequency hearing loss. So i now have to wear hearing aids to hear things normally so i hear normal to a certain extent but i can't hear high pitched shit like chris chris kids like yeah yeah no he can. He can leave it in. I can't hear them a like. There is a certain frequency. Like certain beeps that i couldn't hear you know that mosquito thing that you can fuck your phone with the frequencies to see if how high you can hear it app. That's the mosquito noise and it goes like from bates hurts all the way up to you know Like twelve twelve thousand hertz. Or something. I don't know the frequency thing anyway. I can only hear up to like six thousand anything that like if something beeps or there's a high pitch noise book death so that's just from years of compressed air drag racing of concerts shit like that and So yeah. I know have to wear hearing aids when i'm out in public or you know just even at home it helps with watching the tv because there are certain things that when people are talking on the tv. That i can't hear so. Yeah it's kinda cool. Because now. Like i put them on and i shit you not. It's like you know the superhero movies where you have like this and like daredevil has enhanced hearing jesus like clicking the mouse i hear the spring in the mouse so when i click here the whoring click damn borne. Click wold now. Because i have my headset on but like what. I'm typing it. Sounds like miguel normally typing to turn them down but anyway that was just what the fuck. I'm getting old. So i had to put on hearing aids in. I've got him now so The get go on. I have to get hearing check at work every year. We're really high noise environments. We have a mandatory hearing checks every year and i have noticed a slow loss of hearing. It hasn't gotten enough to they. Call it a shift or whatever. I don't know what they call it anyway but it hasn't gone enough to where they're worried about it it. They calling it normal but have noticed for me to like. There's people that i talked to every day. I can't hear them. I'm looking right at him. I can't hear him as whatever the the the way that their voice comes out. I just can't hear it. You have to speak up. I can barely hear you can hear just fine. But right urchin air yeah. It's funny when they map. You're hearing on a chart the hearing dr maps. It kind of goes like goes up. Smooth curve and then down mind goes up to a certain frequency It just drops off so it's really cool. I like them. They when i wear them. It feels like. I'm i'm so used to it now. I don't even have to worry about it. And i can turn them down and turn them up. I have the phone app forum now to where i can set it for like watching tv. For if i'm in large crowd. I can set it for everyday shit and it's really cool. I don't like. I said they're not the ones that go in your ear. They have like this clear tube. That goes around and sits on the back of your ear. Really really nice I don't know. I like it. Because i i don't have to have my. Tv turned all the way up. Now can turn turn it down and still here but like i said the bad things are when i do turn them up. I hear everything. I hear my kids eating. I hear the chewing now a here. My wife chewing and it's just like oh my god was you. Shut up yeah. Can you'd like to swallow your food. Don't even chew it so then. No i don't have a mom right now so does it. Is it because it doesn't fit properly now it's just it. Yeah i would be able to hear everything. Like i shit you. I don't wear them when i sleep. I don't wear them when. I'm doing this Just because i hear like i would hear every single fan. That's in my pc. I could hear it. I could hear the xbox running or the playstation about places. But i could hear the xbox running. Not the i don't hear that because there's no noise but yeah like even when i'm driving and i turn the blinker on. I can hear the relay like click clock. It's just like holy hill. Like i can hear so much now and it did of cause because i was having hearing loss. You've heard a ghost limb syndrome where people that have had their arms cut off. Say oh my arm hurts. But you're not there the it's in the middle of their. The doctor explained that the reason why i was hearing. I was hearing my pulse. My blood pulsing in my ear. And they thought that. I had a brain tumor is now. But they oughta had a aneurysm or tumors to horizon. Shit come to find out. It was muscle memory in my ear. Because i had hearing loss so my ear was saying that. There's something wrong in your head but it wasn't because ever since i've had to hearing aids in that she's gone like i don't hear the pulse in anymore. It's gone so it was kind of crazy when the doctor explained that to. Plus my hearing doctors achieves fan so that helped to that was second third. The fuck Have ronald jones. I'm in the playoffs. Congratulations to me. Semifinals ronald jones. My running back is now on the code list. Fuck fuck. I was hoping he was going to carry me. But not so. Have cam akers. And i just picked up Who's washington's backup not washington the niners. The niners backup to most to most harris is not in a harris fucker. Can you remember what his name is too much to drink anyway. I picked up the backup. Wilson sorry wilson junior jeff wilson junior so i had to pick him up so i've got him stashed right now but i'm debating on whether or not to do three running backs or three receivers so and then my last one. We watched the prom last night on. Likes okay you guys won't know what this is. You won't know what it is. Because it's a musical grownup that means i'm going to be watching it soon. To it's michael keegan key. Meryl streep james corden and a bunch of other people. It's fucking musical but it's about a high school teenager that is lesbian and instead of the school allowing her to go to prom with her lesbian date they cancelled the prom. So it's lgbtq p movie It's a musical session. I watched it And we both had like looked at each other. Like what's the big deal 'cause everybody was raving about well my god. This is so great so great but my what the fuck about this not. Only what the fuck did i watch it. The whole two hours and twelve minutes but what the fuck the critics and everyone else. The cancel culture calling james corden homophobic because he portrayed portrayed. Excuse me a gay broadway actor. But he identifies himself as straight. Personally i don't want watching his performance. I didn't think that it was like over the top. Like men on film over the top like hated at you know he wasn't like that. I think i know gay people like my uncle is gay. And it's like he doesn't act like that So i think james corden did a good job but for the cancel culture to say it's homophobic it's like what the fuck like seriously like. He did a great job portraying a gay person and he didn't do it in a fashion tour was like ow sweetheart. Honey al like robin williams did in the birdcage right. He did not do that so he's homophobic because he's a straight guy playing a gay character. Exactly congratulations you win a prize. Because that is what cancel culture is right now. And i asked jesse i was like so what the focus the opposite of homophobic. What is somebody. That's gay straight character. Oh i looked it up. Thank you wikipedia. Google it's called hetero phobic. So how many hetero phobic actors and actresses are in hollywood because they have yet to come out the closet or they don't want to identify themselves or they do identify themselves as lesbian but they play a street character. It works well cares. I know. I don't care but it's just say you care but who cares cares right like like there was a movie scarlett johansson supposed to be doing a movie about a transgender person. He some she's supposed to be this beautiful scarlett johansson with a penis and cancel. Culture had said cancel culture had said that No so she's not playing that role. We have the epic. We have an epic evolution of beards in our podcast we do. I'm assuming assuming it goes joe. Miguel chris and me. I'm getting there. I'm hoping by the nearest. Forget to christmas age by in two weeks. I'm hoping i'm actually putting oils in my beard. But anyway that's my what the i'm done anybody else with fox. Thanks paul nights to great comment. That is a great comet yet. my what fact Got my Wolverine bunko pop and another damaged fox and they won't makes change it so fuck you walmart Also i am outer space at a space. Oh at its base at selenium space up there on that one for one and room on your loss remorse shells you have anthrax definitely but space. Joe started it. J- just started to always got more to my age. Oh you got this little joe. I can't see them when you're moving. Joe has been opened the box yet. But it's we have opening the box because with it in the box. Sealed sells like seventy fifty to seventy bucks. Get a salad joe. Better i gotta sealed one and that one about to in case i die in case your wife gonna sell it. I know that dude. Hey joe how's your collection looking. Let's your dollar amount. And i did preorder. This is the master chief halo infinite master chief from best buy. It's got the what does it. It's called the hydro deco as toes like jungle. Cammo awesome. hell yeah there. I tried to pre order the Komo of master chief sold out gone the target one. The clear the target clean. Yeah so i have last. I checked with these two phone calls. up sorry if you hear screaming Let's see pleasure screaming ma wrong app. Sorry knows opening my porn. Is this your what the your. Yeah so right now. Ninety six fun. Ko's at fifteen thirty eight fifteen hundred dollars thirty gang. We're getting off topic. Yeah we're on. What the fox. Sorry sorry okay. He started with no room any other any other shows up anyway. Miguel you got any other. The fucks Now i had a cyberpunk win. But i can't remember what it is. Generally that whole game kind of fun. We'll get down to the main topic which is next which is next john. Nope what are you all right. So i i. I send this week guys and I have a what the fuck from a company that we all hate in now a hate it with a passion joe game stop now not ea. But john ames game stop. So here's my fuck for the t shirts. Maybe but here's my what the fuck. So i had called game. Stop for a used game animal crossing for my niece and they pretty much said yeah. We have a copy. We're gonna put it on trade hold for you because i guess they're doing a trade whole thing for covid. Fuck you joe. Stop and so basically the fucking assholes ended up selling the us copy that i had on hold for me. I went to go pick it up. And i showed up and they're like oh this new associate had soldier copier used copy of animal crossing to somebody else and it was this fucking douche bag. That was wearing a scorpion mask as his little covid mask and he was such a fucking dick. So fuck you game stop dude. They're a bunch of assholes but anyways that was my what the fuck it went better. If joe wasn't fucking me up balls talking but anyways we'll move on to our main topic of the week it is cyberpunk twenty seventy seven our first impressions and what we played so whoever wants to start. Go for anybody. I i'm going gonna say this one thing. Okay positive thing or a negative thing. I don't know it depends on how you take it. You're gonna like it leeann. She little bit of hydrate. Oh to that point John and i were talking about it before you guys join the chat and he was curious. What the hype was about an. I told him if the cd project red game that came from the guy who made the witcher three so is that an accurate description of what the hype was in your opinion or is there something else that had. What was your hype. Was that that. Was that why it was so hyped in your opinion yes i thought so but i'm trying to keep my answer's simple because i don't want to drag this too far john john so i remember there being hype and i remember being like cool. This game sounds cool. I don't remember what any of it was though. Td braunau playing it and unlike what was the coolest. What was this game supposed to be so cool now. It is fun. I mean. I'm enjoying it. But i do have some complaints some issues that i've run into with it this joe. It's just going along with the comparison. The santa monica studios that created god of war if they are to release their next title. And it's a platformer or they released their next title and it just doesn't live up to the witcher. You know what i mean like. It doesn't live up to the god of war. That's the problem cd project. Red set the bar so fucking high with the witcher that in order for them to be even better than that is to exceed in. You know but they're not they're not bringing anything new to the table in my opinion and a lotta people right now are saying that cyberpunk twenty seventy seven is better than grand theft auto timeout penalty. Fifteen penalty looks. Later jackson flagged. That's my challenge by challenge to be fair. The which was pretty fucking broken when it was released too so i mean no. I'm not. I'm not so i'm not arguing. That is broken. I mean the witcher three of its overall like overall graphically story combat system rpg elements. It's a great game like nothing we have ever seen before. This is all my opinion. Okay but which are three not wanting to but which you're three is something that we have never seen before in an rpg So that's all. I'm saying about which were three. You can keep on your point. I don't remember my point west. Chris i was gonna say to be fair to grand theft. Datta was fucked up. When i started as well so when it first came out the grand theft auto was pretty fucked up multi-player all that shit was pretty jacked up so but you have to take into consideration. This is right in the middle of transition to the next generation of consoles so i mean the base xbox on bass. Ps four editions are fucked. 'cause you're not going to pay that much attention when you're trying to make him optimize game for the next generation of something from eight years ago so that kind of backfires on like xbox is home entree now like you can play everything on every because it's just gonna fuck with the future of gaming in what's coming later. Joe no i was you. You said you said it cyberpunk seventy cd project. Red should have never considered releasing this on the last gen council it should have been a next gen. Console exclusive because that would have forced people to say. Look you mother fuckers. You wanna play this great game. Get rid of your old shit. let's play. let's move on. Okay obviously the master race would have said okay. I'll spend two thousand dollars on a video card at an offer. And i'll do that clara and just for the chat just for clarity Joe chris and i are playing on series acts in jonah's playing on xbox one x so we don't have the problems. We're just talking discussing the problems. That are evident joe or problems. I are like jackie's chip. It's a gun in his guns like through head. I had a ghost good. I have ghost cigarettes so after somebody smokes a cigarette it reappears. Like in the middle of the screen. Like in the middle of chat. I have i have ghosts. Postpones the map. Also when i look in a mirror. If i'm wearing a hat i am bald. I haven't had like my pizzas. Gone credit changed my pants and my pants were. I've had that happen to kids. Walk in sitting councillor like go. See the gap flopped this ding dong buchan hanging out. I'm like i just wanted to change my pants. I'm not saying come on. I mean to fair. I haven't had any game breaking glitches like that. But they're all just visual t t depots Get every once in a while but nothing. That breaks the game for me. So i haven't had anything that's like crashed my console or anything but i have like four times. Ooh damn just turned it off limiting. Xbox didn't turn off. The game crashed into just went back. My main xbox screen are you on the original or the s x x. okay remember. We gave him an ex. Yeah you're right. You gave me my thoughts game. They have officially played this game longer than i played the witcher bravo bravo on you I mean it's the same game in a different time with guards but and guns but it's finding it. I'm i'm staying engaged. It's not. it's not as overwhelming now. What's the right wording there. It's i find more entertaining than i did. The witcher it keeping my intention a little bit more a whole lot more. There's there's days where. I didn't play video games that day. Which is in stark contrast going from playing mahala five to six hours every day to not playing for a day. 'cause that kept my fucking attention. I love mahala. It was fantastic but going from that to cyberpunk it's not again in you guys aren't really my style game I don't like the go. Explorer shit is much to one of the things that i don't like about. The game is when you look at the mini map yesterday. Oh wait a minute. You just contradicted yourself. You don't like to go explore aspects but you love too much. There's too much there's too much too much now. It didn't maybe the story of way more entertaining to me related orkney. I think. I think the difference is is the fact that ball hala spelled it out for you like a gave you a purpose for the gold. It gave you a purpose for the mystery artifacts and everything like that there was a purpose with cyberpunk like they said in the reviews you could play through the main class twenty to thirty hours and you're done with the game but they don't really give you or show you. What would happen if you were to go through and do the side quests but you kind of have to learn that on your own you're dropped in the night city and you have to learn this shit and do this shit on your own and it's just like Okay while hall was like do all the artifacts possibly get new armor new gear new shit. I understand it. Cyberpunk has the same the same end result. But they don't present it in the same manner that bala did you had a purpose for getting all of the gold. All of the lutes doing all of the raids. There is a purpose because either he wanted to upgrade your camp or you just want to one hundred the game. So john So there was something that i was thinking about the other day The one of the reasons one of the things. I noticed about bala that i have not found in cyberpunk is the holiday really good job. Establishing like a goal in the game. Like i think you kinda just clarified it. But it establishes a goal at the beginning of the game is like hey the beginning of the game. You have this vision where you're going to be a cigarette so your goal now is spoiler. Alert your goal. Now is to play this game and figure out how whether or not you're going to portray him. Or what what you need to do to not be tram as well as like you said upgrade your armor of greater settlement and that kind of stuff so it gives you something to attain to. And it keeps you it establishes A goal from the beginning to to achieve as so far. I haven't figured out. Why a what the what. The goal is in this game. The term remove the chip without dying out. This happened no. I yeah i get. That just happened. But i think i think one follow comes with the historical wait. Yeah it's history so you're trying to you want to be a viking was cyberpunk. It's totally new. it's completely fantasy. And to be honest. I played the witcher three kind of like i've been one of the game like i still haven't played the blood and wind deal see so i skipped a lot of the side missions for the witcher three. I played the main story. I was like i want to know the story. I love the story. Let me get through this game. And i did that so i tried doing that and found out. I wasn't leveled up enough. So i to go do side missions and i said fuck this game right and i and i have a feeling. That's that's cd project bread game so i have a feeling that that the cyberpunk twenty seventy seven is pretty much going to be the same thing and based off of reviews if you don't do the side missions you will lose out on a lot of content and that's to me that's where it's like well fuck like but what do i. What do i get out of the content you know. Am i gonna get a rare weapon or am. I just going to get like a cool interaction. So i don't know it's like for me ball was like cool. I'm playing. i want thors hammer. I need to beat all of the sisters. I need to beat the game. I want excalibur. I have to be all the zealots. I have to get all the tablets. So now i have zell it sell it zealand tomato tomato zealand. It's zealots move on vibrations. Okay especially okay anyway and. I only know kissed knowing that we talked about before that you want to do. The side missions in cyberpunk. So i have been going out of my way not really out of my way. I haven't been focusing on. The main story been going through the go into the journal and finding all the side missions. That don't look like they're gonna kill me and trying to get all of those done before progress the story and then go back after progress. The story i go back to that list and say okay. well now. These are moderate danger and not extremely high going book. My life up. So it's been keeping me entertained I do have some issues though. Can i talk about those. No go for it if we want to. I mean we're talking about so when you open the mini map. When i look at the map it immediately reminds me of a scene from ready player. One when the bad gut nolan nolan when sorrento sorrento when talks when he shows the screen and he says we estimate we can sell up to eighty percent of individuals visual field before inducing seizures. There is so much little dots and shit all over the many map. It's like i don't wanna look at it. It's confusing So that's that's one complaint. It's crashed on me several times. Not a fan of the gun controls. And maybe i'm just too used to call of duty definitely. Yeah for sure. But i don't really like how the gun and the only other ones it's kinda petty but when you call your vehicle to come to you and it stops a half a block down and you have to run to it when you on the corner. You didn't have time with roadsteads did you. You should be used to that shit out running old getting run over by. I haven't had been. I was like okay. But if i was going to stop if i go out in the middle of the street it bucket and hermione motorcycle for sure thank you and then i got hit by another car. Motorcycle puts me into happened to me too. So i mean i do have gripes with the game to go along with that like. I've been traveling fairly fast on the motorcycle. And i hit a car. And it's like he's got magnetic grip in magnetic ass to where he just like sticks to the bike he doesn't fall off. You have to be going very fast to hit a car and finally fly off of it. But i've been driving around the map. Run into her guard. Rail and buck and streetlamp inch it into a wall and it just goes worrying if you hit a vertical pole you launch an air. Like you and yeah. So it's that's there's a lot of bugs in the game. But overall i would say the game i don't know like maybe i haven't optimized my settings the game to me it looks. It looks good but they're oranges. Breathtaking moments in the game where. It's just like wow you know. Like say for instance ball hala. I mean scenic wise hall is beautiful but yes. If you're into a futuristic like new looking out like when you're riding along in the car and see the city's scaping see people reminds me a lot of the matrix You know that scene where the writing in the car and all that bullshit but anyway. It's just. I dunno attempt to me the game just doesn't take my breath away so for me. I'm playing on eighty p tv. So i'm not expecting that at all so that's not something i was like. I'm just assuming. I'm getting the shit. Version your version is better. Be figure you just stop playing valhalla. Which was optimized for the series x whereas cyberpunk is for last gen it is for the one x essentially 'cause it's not optimized yet so one patch comes next year who knows. It may be breathtaking when i was out neha outskirts of the city. Doing one of my missions. I thought it looked really good out there. I mean i'm not blown away by the city. But when i was out in the outskirts i thought it looked really good. I know i mean. I get like when we first when you first jump in I think also. Maybe because i was playing ball khawla away from my experience from cyberpunk because the scenery the third person And like you said. It was optimized for the series x to jump from the third person to first person you know like shooting and then with the acceleration of the horizontal and vertical movement. While you're aiming turn that off. I hated that i hate it. It's just like old that shit off. I hated it. Yeah but i mean. I like the choices in the game. Like the fact that gave me a choice when you're doing the missions for the ncp and they're like apprehend the criminal without killing them. And if you go and just fucking guns blazing like well. We really wish you wouldn't have killed him. But you adam okay cool so it does add a replay element to that. I liked the choice depending on. How your what your play style is whether you're just like muscle big gun. Boom you're dead. No muscle Ever medic muscle whatever or yourself or your technical. You wanna be a hacker wanna like have people's head explode and shit like that you know. I like that element go run. I think it's really easy to forget about a lot of aspects of the game like okay. You're trying to be stealthy. But then he gets seen so then your brain kind of goes like full combat mode. You don't even think about the ability to hack into breach into use those other abilities when you're in a firefight so it's kinda like you switch from what aspect to the game to a completely different one when you can do all at the same time really gets. It's great. i mean overall. I like the whole selection of choice. Whatever you say to your. Mpc's can change the overall like how the mpc's think about you you know it. It changes the whole aspect of the game. Which is awesome. And i love. I love all of that. It's great you can do whatever the fuck you want. And that's amazing. I mean i went and guns blazing. And then i decided to do some stealth hacking as well so i kind of mixed everything as a bunch and it's fun. It reminds me a lot of like if i were to like put in giant mixing. Bowl right I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw some destiny k. Throw in some ghost recon Throw in some Some fuck watch television division watchdogs so basically throwing in some ubisoft okay. Okay throwing in some. Ea as far as like mass effect dragon age. Okay mix it up and thrown overall dash cd project red which are three cool got that oh and just to top it off. You know a little clove of rockstar. Yeah it's a little sh- melting pot melting pot. Sh sh melt a little bit of everything. Yeah meli a sweaty The season twenty balls. Everybody loves me recipe. Yes everybody loves my shorty balls but no it's a good game. i give it a perfect rating. I don't. I'm sorry. I don't well. I feel like it was cyberpunk. I feel like there is a much lower squirrel syndrome than i had with valhalla. The holidays like shiny dots and to john's point. There's so much stuff on the map in cyber punk but is that really true because there was a lot of shit on the map involve hala. I think the only differences in bala. They were just tiny little dots that we need them to what they were. Joe will you knew involve hall. It was either money artifacts mysteries but there are still a lot of a lot of shit still but it was only like gold white or blue and that was it or read for raids on cyberpunk. There's so much more. John yet you got you got ripper. Docs got hookers. You got Plays you can buy food. Cars fast travel they. They're just fucking everywhere. There's so much in been so much in this tiny little area. It's not just on the x and y axis it's also on the z. Access you have shit that's like left right up down but then you have in-and-out literally with a little bit of brain dance brain dance some hot coffee. The joy toys. Joe's talking about drizzly now. He's doing joy toys when we have bought. I'm just never mind. There is a lot of stuff Couple of things that really bug me. the mission. Select if you guys have had this issue be driving to a mission that i picked and then i look and i'm somewhere completely different. It fucking changes. What i selected like mid mission and sends me somewhere else like i'm trying to do a side mission and it changes my way point to a fucking main mission. Joe yeah i one thing the mini map when you're driving and you have a way point to go to map doesn't zoom out when you're going out with my next thing but to go along with that it's like exactly you're on your mission way point you're going to emission and then the the nc pd calls and like. Oh this person right here you have to take him out because you know we need them. Take out like well. I guess we have the option of not answering the phone to be fair. That's going to happen. But you know i don't know but now i've gotten to a point that i've been doing a mission that has multiple objectives and get away point for the first one and it can change on me and then sends me somewhere else but also to joe's point when you're driving also joe's point when you're driving it's like oh well that was my turn. I didn't know because you're constantly like dr map drive map. I miss my turn. Yup that's that was the next thing. I was going to talk about but i did. Have a glitch when i was trying to Apprehend somebody and i was trying to get them alive. So i threw a grenade that was non lethal and it kinda set them on fire and they fell to the ground. They stood back up. They went back to their normal like waiting position. And so i went and beat them with my dildo. What's the dildo weapons. Because i figured that's how you don't kill them right. And they died gil by the dildo. Nice yeah so how do you get a deal to weapon. I know a friend asked me for a friend. You you know that chick that you meet under the bridge. That had forget her name. It's like a corporate chick. john. You've got the dildo weapon right now. I thought you did the size mission ama- corporal. He's like no timeout. Miguel who are you like gator. Okay streak it. Chris streak hit john. Corpo- i did know man so i'm curious how your how chris is different from ours. Because miguel and i are both the street saying. We've done a lot of the same missions. All the missions are basically the same. Chris i'm jo jo. What the same to me. I don't know you want you motherfucker here. Let me take my hat off. Oh hey it's joe. I can see my reflection that a light bulb side jealous. I didn't mean to confuse you. The cardinals no. It's okay so my My game started in the outskirts. Yeah so i. I really that. That's different is it so so you had no. I'm in the city now but as far as like how the game started like i was in in the outskirts and i met jackie and then i went into the city and did like cyber twenty seven like reminded me of saints row when it started doing that shit and it's played like clips of what was going to happen in the game and then it was like you wake up in your apartment don and then it's like okay. Cool what difference. Does it really make about like the nomads. Because i started the nomads out in the outskirts. And i had like nomad gang that i was a part of ripped the patch off in talk to the sheriff sheriff But yeah i talked to and then next thing. i know. I'm talking to jackie in back in the city. So i want to say yeah. It's just dialogue options. That's the only difference based on your faction yet. Because i think. I mean i'm assuming 'cause as being a corporal it gives me the option of like there's a little gorba- logo and the dialogue that attaches with it is the same big restricted and every much. It's i have this like in painted in the paint but you kind of a dick so a lot of times. I don't choose that option but yeah no mad or the corporate guy when you go to tell been hotel yet. Yes the note l. noto now wait what the one on outskirts with the panam now. It's probably the main story. Eyewitness eyewitness the dude getting assassinated at this point right now. I i have johnny silver hand. Okay he's fucking with my head and we're trying. I haven't paid off road. You enter the fancy hotel. I haven't paid off broke so when you go into the fancy hotel the receptionist at the desk i used the corpo- answer subaru tour. Oh okay because. Jackie did all the talking. When i went into the hotel. So that's the difference. Jackie did all the talking. So anyways where we're we're we we're talking about cyberpunk let's it anything and everything i image. Yeah yeah i mean it definitely feels like a cd project red game. It's feels like what you're to me. the deconstruction of items in your inventory is a lot doubled down from witcher. Which would give you like thread and pearls. If you dismantled shell which got you rich real quick. So i was in that. That's not the case. It's just common components rare components So that was a little. It's a good. Let down. Because i want to worry about my shit i did. The i did. The skill where it automatically deconstructs soon. Yeah i did that too now But i mean like gun. Still you have to manually deconstruct those or sewn. That's what i do. I sell the guns in. Do the automatic deconstruct the components at. That's one thing i've run into though is with the guns i do you find yourself using a variety of weapons. Or you're like just keep going back to school finally. I'm going to switch over. But i just so many guns that i've just not used i'm using a variety myself like i keep i keep changing them out. I'm using this technology shotgun which is pretty bad ass and then switching over to my smg and my pistol. Who's switch between those three. I i got that goldwyn latching. What is it the better. I think that's what it's called but it's like a gold plated pistol but it has fire damage okay Destiny nope i basically every time i complete like emission or something i go through my inventory but my highest rated gun. I usually iraq assault rifle. A shotgun pistol. I'd lose a sword. Katana actually picked up the good. So i haven't had a chance to use it yet. Got a purple katina nice but now we were talking about the building. A weapon Yeah there was a chick that i met in an alleyway was mission option and then she called me back later and was like hey come visit me and Yeah that happened and there is just a dildo weapon. That was my price for that for banger. Nice that's awesome fantastic dildos. I like i like the feel the game. I like the futuristic. It's it's something we've never played before. I will give cd project. Read that totally different. It looks totally different. It feels totally different. I mean not. Totally different me rewind. It does feel a lot. there's similarities little tastes like i said the mixing bowl melting sh- melting pot but Yes it does lay runner. If you've ever seen the movie not the new one the original it does give me that by. It does give me like a judge. Dredd five both versions whichever one you watched as. Give me that mega city type of thing I like it. I don't hate it. But i don't think it's the greatest. I think once they get that patch. I think it'll make it just that much more amazing for us series x users right now and also just. I like how the city's so alive. There's so much shit going on that you could. You could get distracted left or right and do whatever the hell you want. Which makes it that much more exciting. Because you don't know what your stories. Your journey is going to go with. Certain missions or side missions. Or whatever you're doing within cyberpunk so it makes it exciting. As far as that goes there is a lot of stuff that it can make it super confusing too so it feels a little overwhelming at times. Oh definitely doesn't hold your hand for any now doesn't at all not at all so i mean you know the overwhelming this is like a little bit overbearing in some parts. And like there's there's so many nooks and crannies within the city so it's crazy joe. Yeah i had just remembered that. You've talked about the nooks and crannies kind of maybe english muffin. But anyway the fact that they threw in mirror's edge as well because there's a lot of first person exploration that we're so used to things being so linear like i have to get up there. Why can't get up there. Have to find a staircase. Wait i can jump on this trash can. I could jump from the trash into the roof from the roof to the close wire and then you know i can wait out mall so the window. Who swept out going from playing screen where you can climb anything. I just assumed that. Climb anything like oh. I can't get up there. There's no stairwell me what i can climb on So they did. Throw that element in which which i did enjoy. I was like okay cool. I can ascend a building or send a few bubbles based off of what i jump on kind of makes you try things that you wouldn't normally try other games so but i do wish i could pull out a shotgun and blasts them bitches in the face that yes. I have especially the kabuki twins when you're doing the fist fighting. Oh there's any dialogue in that one. I later we married a single person. So you mean like one of you takes the head and upper torso near the one time. Hasn't done it. Be what booty duty or something like that. No we get like so. Why don't you monday. Thursday saturday girlfriend or whatever. Yeah so i wanted to seriously like after. They kick mass the first time. Because i'm not a strong character. A mole techy intelligence intelligence So i took out my shotgun and it would not let me blast him in the face. So i was like Knock him for that. Yeah i want it. Because if i could have blasted them in the face and then opened a second set of dialogue like well. You can't do these missions now because you killed the first set of people just like change course which would be cool. That's what i wanted. Heavy is all come across the pervy doctor that spur prostitutes whatever fingers in his bathroom. But no i went back. 'cause he's labeled as a rip doctor right so i went back to try and get mods from him and there was only like two dialogue options than was not for mods so i pulled out my sword and i killed him. They let me kill him. Rats good dependent on the nbc. I remember what the club is Doll club you've been at the club yet. Think so you know the dude and the chick enjoy creek. I don't think i've after. I left that area. I went back to the receptionist employees. My shocking receptionist and this little blue window came up and said if you kill civilians The authorities will be alerted for that. You said you were going to be synchronized. Many times vol hala didn't actually synchronized weird. I mean overall. I'm enjoying it. I've definitely neglected all the little golden try triangle triangle-shaped things that are floating around which i've done one and they are interesting. Interactions like one went to a diner in it was getting held up while i was there and through dialogue options. I mean different outcomes of that. But i anticipate these are just a bunch of different random events throughout the city so i am interested to do more of them because they're very easy to ignore they don't stand out very well especially with the map. Not very zoomed outlet. You're driving around. But there's definitely a lot going on and i can see why people are while i don't see why people are upset because oh this game so short there's really nothing to it but they're just going linear story and not doing all the stuff you're fucking phone is constantly going off with stuff to do. I have a car. I have a car. Here's a car by car. Go to a new area linked up So yeah there's a lot going on. There's a lot of side things. There's side quests there's the main ones which is like three main ones all at once that are going on eastwest. There's the still for hand quest and then there's like. I don't think it's the the other question i don't know like you're trying to clear your name in the murder. Plus you're trying to. I think eventually what we're gonna do is we're gonna find johnny silver hands body and we're going to re-implant chip in his body. I think that's that's how i'm thinking. The the story is going to go so if two years later though. So he's a machine ozzy's all machine like you made in that one mission like. Oh it's so sad that we're all chrome and we used to be just flesh bags or something like that ever. Whatever quests that was this a side quest that he pops up in these like it's not for the crown royal just fucking meet bags but i did follow a mission that was pretty linear and it took me to the boys and i did that whole portion of it and then well if you wanna come with me. I can help eunice like i'll just try trae. Maybe hypothetically who knows nobody knows but the options are will are. You can go see your other options. So i was like me mission where it's at two other stuff because it was about chip removal of see. What else i can do. Because i don't know if. I fully trusted. So i gotta say the this makes me excited for the future of gaming Jusuf went cd project. Red has so they've they've set yet another benchmark which are three set a benchmark. I think god of war beat that okay. Cd or cd project. Red set another benchmark with this game. It makes me excited to see what the new dragon age definitely. The next mass effect is going to set like they have to beat this if they come in below this. It's done so. I'm excited and i mean there's going on that point too is like what about the next grand theft auto six even though it doesn't have to fall into rpg element but just as far as expansive world that they can create. So yeah. it's interesting. I hope grand theft auto can do something new. 'cause i mean judea mine. It has so much content but it's all the same and also grind easy. Yeah i agree for sure. Hopefully they can create something new and something more exciting than what they've already created so it it definitely did set a new benchmark new a new marker for the every other company to reach. So it'll be interesting to see cd project. Red does with the multiplayer supposed to be a multiplayer aspect and he will be in sometime next year. Don't expect early probably second. Third quarter may or porter next year. Yeah didn't they push back because issues. They have because of the issues with the last gen consoles. So i don't know what the multiplayer is. I don't want capture the flag. I don't want battle royal. No i mean i want. I want like granted. Donald style where it's like the four of us are together and we all are like guess what We're gonna go fuck shit up that were gang and there's just so much possibilities within that i mean it's going to be great. I also heard that it's going to be there making it standalone. They want this to be a standalone game versus the cyberpunk single player. They want us to be cyberpunk online standalone versus. What the single player that. We're playing right now. So you know it's going to be interesting. I can't wait to to see what they have in for us. So it'll be cool. Yeah you got anything else to add for cyberpunk before we move on so l. box. It was really rough. I mean they're still aspects at a rough but once for me once i dialed. In those graphical settings might each. Dr fixed the fucking controller inputs. Where you're like turn Much better it took some adjusting on my own part which a lot of people don't do so say if you're hating how feels how it looks. A lot of people aren't used to changing stuff for themselves on their console. So i suggest you go change the settings bring a controller inputs for your visual inputs and just makes it better makes it clear it looked when i put it up. I was just doesn't look that great after changing some stuff. I think it looks much better. Chris yeah. I have to add to that twos. I did change the visuals for me. That i got from you guys is taxed in. It definitely made a huge difference. I was like wow. It looks way better now so definitely mess around with those options because it will look better. I just don't think it's optimized very well in the beginning. I didn't send us john no because he's not on a series. Yeah and i'm using a ten. Eighty p monitor settings refined. He doesn't have to worry about turning off. Hdr changing into your joe. Is it me or is the game. Just naturally dark. I think it's naturally fucking are dark. Hugh great there's there's like. There's some like buildings that you go into like. This is supposed to be this fucking dark in here like we're like watching characters talking. It's a cut scene. Fuck this is dark. I'm like this supposed to be this. Dark side i i. I'm constantly tweaking. I'm not turning way up to where i could see everything but there's times when I'm trying to think of what her name is. There the beedi chick. Judy my beauty. Julie's abu everybody right now. Yeah judy Face and no. It didn't look like text message that you insult god no jacked. But she looked you know. She still looks stunning but it was just really dim dark. So i'm like okay. Maybe the game is just supposed to be dark and dim like this. So i haven't really. I tweaked it when i first started. And i'm happy with the settings as far as like outdoors indoors. It's just like bandits. Dark well and another thing is something that i've seen going around. The internet is based is just flat out broken even if you do change it. So a lot of people are saying turnoff. Hdr on your tv and then play it. And apparently it looks better in the lighting's not crappy at times. I'll just fucking play it like. It is and wait for the three upgrade update. Yeah after i made the changes. I'm fine with it right now for sure. Yeah judy yeah. Yeah judy judy. One thing that i wanted to point out. Is that the motorcycle that you get from. Jackie after your learn motorcycle you get the brand on it says arch which is motorcycle company that keno rave reeves owned so for him. Apparently i wanted to add to that I think that any this game could not have been done without kiana reeves keanu. I think if they had done anyone else or if they would have added anyone else into the game it could have been done without. Kiana reads without his. I don't give a shit about anything. Yeah voice fuck your chip on chip myself. you know. it's just like dat his just his character his persona his personality. It's just like they could not have done this game. It would have been a bland boring game if it was not for canada reeves through the elements. Johnny silver hand throws in the elements. That's perfect at the perfect time to agreed and his prone just fits his character exactly and this is not a character that i personally I i have not seen calories play. He doesn't normally play the asshole. I i did not expect what i got out of johnny silver hands for sure. Yeah that's great i. I won't say that. I think there's a spoiler alert in the further along in the game but yeah i'm hoping that i have morality choices to where i can either join him or fight him at the end. And i don't think jackie's did either. This is my. There's there's nothing we weren't saying spy read wait successful at not saying it about the motorcycle and then here comes joe. Tornado joe fucking smack in the face. Fuck you're not playing the game. You fucking spare parts but spared our long in the game. Fucking spare-parts jesus. Christ that does clearly it does but because they said the nanotechnology in the chip. When you installed it in your neck it helps you keep it keeps you alive. So how come jackson your chip in his neck and he died nanos were inside of him so i think he could possibly be resurrected later on john. Depending on your ship took the chip aisle and gave it to me before he died. But depending on your choice who you sit jackie's body too. I think could affect the outcome of the game. It's fair because just the dump. His body versus sending eggs and not prime. Didn't i send it to victor. Of course because i'm like if anybody's gonna fix them. It's going to be bic right so but it does say that. He had to have died for the chip to start working. Not we'll see. We'll see i will tell for sure because i think it could be written. That is going to be enemy that you end up facing at the end of the game because it creates a moral dilemma. Now could bake wreath. Or he's one of those fucking super soldiers where it's just like be remember you little bitch repu- with my read. They'll do you know whatever could happen has gotten mantis played yet. Nope no haven't nope fun. Neat sounds fun From a rubber ducks. So just keep your eyes out. I want to kadumi code already. I'm tired of like having to grind for money already. Like seriously flock Where's the money cheat at everything. I'm hoping because they did it in the witcher three. I'm hoping that they do a A new game plus with the higher difficulty. But you can play with all of your inaugurals all of all of your weapons at the end of the game three. You could restart the game but you would have all of your abilities all of your skills all of your weapons or armor and start over. So that's what i want ethical. Hell ya. i was hoping the ball hala would allow you to do that but no did you. Hundred percent almost never happens when you do. I know that's what i'm working. That's my rare or a gene. i haven't i haven't hundred percent of the getting there haven't played it since i came up. Have you found any cool wearable items so like for me i have. This has met hood. I i also have like this Samurai mask and it looks like scorpion. So i think that's not the intent but that's how it looks for me because it's yellow and the mask is cadillac golden. So i think that's cool. I have a gas mask on with a bandanna on my head. Ungodly reason the thin piece of cloth on my head is a higher armor level than a full face mask so i have a white bandanna and gas mask on right now senior project. I do like that. You can upgrade your shit if you find something that you like khakis. I have sweet package. She sounds hideous. Yeah so. I'm just gonna go for the state farm. Look cyber state farm. He's a guy so sound hideous bad now. I haven't had any wearables myself. i. I've been in some pretty cool loot drops for weapons and stuff but i haven't found anything wearable wise that i think is bad ass for my for my experience so far john anything for you now know in a tank tops shirts address at one. Point looks like address. It's one of the japanese robes or something dantonio call joke leg address. I will admit that my next character is going to be a transvestite character. I'm going to create a woman character with a penis and they're going to be the corporate and they're going to be all muscle. No no technology. No hacking is just going to be all muscle chick with a penis. And i'm just gonna rape and pillage go. Yeah exactly. And i totally i didn't. I missed the element of the custom custom creation at the beginning. So if you do the presets yeah they give you the preset character which looks like all the all the other characters but if you go to the customs setting you can completely create a new face like i've seen The squidward The manuscript the handsome squidward. I've seen the mean guide old guy with the as. Yeah who's got the bill. Bigger dildo collection monkey wants to know. Well it sounds like a dope weapon. So i guess this me. Miguel varzi aware. I picked one up at fingers place. That's the only as far as i'm aware that only deal. Do i have really. Yeah oh my dill did lose. Spoke like look i killed it. I'm sorry he's out on my did lows. They automatically scrap. So i don't have any he scrapped. The east grabbed his dildos their scrap my did lows script. Sorry they give you common components that you then turned into a gun. Technically muggy says the single guy has the biggest collection surprise. Ask are you playing a chick of course person. There's mir's that's okay. i'm gonna shake hooking up with other chicks. Leave me alone. Yeah doing a little brain. Dance is first person. Can you look down you can't you. Yeah walk around. Shirtless sue the little lightning bolt landing strip. I cannot wait my next character. I swear that'll be fun. It's gonna be a chick with the fillet angie k. Flange falange rena philanthropy instead of e. That's her name rita philology. Nice sweet you guys have any other cyberpunk stuff to talk about. No all right. I'll look at that mission where you get that weapon and also send it to you guys because it's under complete it so okay. Cool nice so we can add to our collection. I'm excited yeah. Yeah well jones gonna need it for his next characters so you can go snack people around with it. I mean if you wanna do that. I'll just play a saints row. Dad's still the weapon. Dildo gun did legit. no debt. rising three wasn't it. No it was a fucking gun that shot dildos early. Hanging out at the puck zombies. That's where i got. The dildo gun actually wasn't saint tra was dead rising. Had the malay. Yeah there was the dildo sabre over. Yeah yeah all right cool. We're going to move onto random. Shit you guys have any rhino shit before we close this shit out just saying before as before i got more pops got a t shirt with the pop in halo. Nice job hops today. Cool the The source wrecks from horizons road on underdo awesome. I was this close to doing the transformers pops this but i didn't show you don't get yelled at. I know i cannot. These are the last pop that i ever actually like this one. Because miguel screw. You're getting a t shirt. So i said to him and i'm like here you go joey school in the dark mauve giddy. And he's like. I can't buy any more props. I'm like just say you're getting a shirt. Joke comes with a t shirt. So i got fucking texture gideon and then i had already reorder this one a long time ago but they finally released it in ship the to me. The cool thing about this one was best. Buy refunding me five bucks at a time. Every week that it was shipped to me. So i ended up only paying maybe eleven. Yeah swear to god like best buy was like you're a refunded five bucks you a refunded five bucks so in this for like eight bucks nice. Oh hell yeah best buy. And it's it's an it's an exclusive so it's only best buy so thank you for that and Yeah i cannot buy any more fun. Clothes until after christmas. On your loophole. What loophole can i find you. Your christmas is next week. Cyberpunk cyberpunk wait till you wait till christmas is over your wife. Probably you some of the shit. You already have. No no because she asked me. What do you want for christmas. Plus our families. Doing this was a secret. Santa but everybody knows who's getting what for each other so it's not really a secret santa game but she's like what are you want and i haven't really asked for fun co pops and it's really hard because she doesn't know which ones i already have. Yes with the exception of the ones that one of our dear friends bought us at the fun coast store. Yeah yeah. I'm not getting any phone calls for christmas. Oh speaking of dear friends go ahead and say that i have your address. This two extras fit me. So nah this will be sent your way. It's an official letter. Kenny wayne flannel. I'll be there in december january workout with kobe. Stuff right but if yeah if you're here cool down if if we can do it it's yours buddy code. Thanks letterkenny red flannel. Did yours at see. All i'm gonna be there from gonna be in arizona from the thirtieth through the sixt. We could something data wednesday totally do something. Hopefully we'll see. Some adams allegedly allegedly by any. Who as far as rando shit. I other than the fun. I don't have anything Go mando. Let's say oh yes You're towers talk risky. A spoiler warning warning comes to start work. I forgot his name. What's his name. The comedian though hilbert bill burr bill. Burr yeah bill burr fantastic jerry. He's amazing rate character and for complete side character there in that episode it was different seeing characters like oh go stormtroopers help them type of thing and then when happened after another great episode there killing it that that freaking show just amazing exciting wars. We watch it. It's fucking great. God we address this. I'm sorry it's already a to our podcast. But disney excited to drop the mic. This week they did. I don't know if you guys are aware of all the star wars stuff all the marble stuff that disney just they just said fuck the world twenty twenty one. Fuck the game awards. Were to lucky. Sony really wasn't anything anyways. Drop the mic. Yeah game awards. Guess what disney said. Yes sir dick gamers. We're going to drop all the shows. You're not going to be playing video games. You're going to be watching all of our star. Wars shit you're gonna be watching all of our marble shit so let suck at hbo. Max in your warner brothers bullshit. What the fuck but anyway. Yeah disney. Congratulations you have just one. Twenty twenty one. Good work at for sure. John for everybody who doesn't know what did disney's do. Disney decided to launch an announce because they had investor meetings They decided to announce that For star wars. There's gonna be ten roughly ten live action slash movies slash animators coming out They also announced. There's going to be ten to eleven live actions slash animated Movies coming out as well so this is so they said star. Wars is coming out with ten marvel's coming out with ten but disney. We're also going to bring you more late year but wait. There's more more my action. Buzz like ear here. You go. yeah that'd be. Don't a thing that's really really think this animated but it's a movie. It's about buzz lightyears life like and actual space ranger. That's who is it though. I'm trying to remember. I don't remember who the monkey monkey monkey is gonna have to Slopes this for us but anyway so the star wars stuff. They're doing they're going to do a soka they're gonna do. The will be one with the movies or series series so the series is a soka. They're gonna live action. They're going to do. Obi wan kanobi which is live action with you and mcgregor and hayden christensen returning as darth vader They're going to do an animated New rangers movie. They're going to do the yeah. They're called like the the new republic rangers or something like that Kinda like with gina. Carano with her character They're doing a rogue squadron which is a film which slated or rumored to be the top gun of scifi of star wars. that's so it's going to be filmed like top gun but it's all wing stuff that's great. They're doing the acolyte Which is suppose rumored it. It's going to be the dark plagued story with impo patine. So how and they're gonna do an art to two story. I think it's like like his complete story. Because that's what people have been asking for is an are two story. That's so cool. I think i'm trying to think what else to soka. Obi wan there's the other one where they're doing short stories from throughout like so many thousand years. Yup so it's kind of like the what if that they're doing in marvel but it star worse I'm trying to think what else i think baba's getting his own Trying to think monkey boosted the bad batches the animated Spinoff from the clone wars mandar and door which. I don't remember what that one was about Yeah the visions is the one landau is getting his own story. The droid story Marble so switching from star wars to marvel. You've got loki. you have a one division. You have winter soldier. Captain america or falcon. You have ant man three coming out. you also have loki levin thunder. I'm sorry thor levin levin thunder my bad That the one where natalie portman become store yes christian christian. Bale has been confirmed as the god killer. I think it's what his name is on monkey. You're gonna have to correct me on that. But he's a he's going to be enemy in sewer eleven thunder so yeah disney by stock now. Pretty much i swear. Twenty twenty one wants the vaccine is spread throughout everybody's vaccinated disneyland stock up. Yeah the roof. Hell yeah speaking of stock joe coast stock. I'm actually loving my a stock more than anything else. I bought my stock. It's like twenty bucks. It's now like one hundred and fifty dollars. Nice smart in in profit so moderna. Thank you for the vaccine. I'm hoping that it all goes well are all. I hope you get the vaccine before too much shit goes down but anyway Monkey said the christian. Bale will be gore. The god butcher. So he's like he's gonna have makeup and and all that cool shit so i am in s- in twenty twenty one brings us cool marvel shit cool star wars shit and aliens. Hey why not. Why not fucking twenty twenty was shit. Twenty twenty one. Bring us the malians as long as we can get some snooze new in addition to that In response to warner brothers saying hey. All our stuff's going to be on. Hbo max disney also said. Hey all our stuff's going to be on disney plus however from what we've already seen with move on for example there was a fucking thirty dollars fee on top of that so i'm not sure how to feel about that part of the announcement of disney saying here stuff on on disney plus Whereas i i'm fine paying fifteen dollars a month for. Hbo to get all these movies. That are going to be day. One or k at home for no additional cost. I still have two years monkey. A monkey said disney plus is going up to eight dollars a month. I still have two years. That i paid for so whatever. But john regan's net flicks is going up. Okay the raising it again. I think it's going from thirteen to fourteen but looking at the price as it costs me. A father of two children a family to go to the theater right that extra cost per movie. Totally worth it that you as a single person. I can understand why it would be considered a rip off But that thirty dollars. I was happily like it. I was like thirty bucks for milan. I will pay thirty bucks. I will pay thirty dollars for a disney plus movie well-directed especially if it's a star wars movie directed by day baloney george lucas and john fabbro. Then you know what you can have my first born child. I don't care. I'm going to watch by tommy. That afterwards shit. Wanna get that staying. I can get all the. I know how you feel about warner brothers. And all that. But you're thinking dc with the whole hbo maxine you. Don't you're also getting matrix for. Yeah so. I will admit that i will be getting. Hbo max. but i will not be getting it until twenty twenty one win matrix four comes out. I the only reas- only looked at all the lineup. That's the only one. I want matrix. Four i don't give a shit about dc. I don't give a shit about anything else on eight on warner but i'm concerned about doon. Doon is jeff star wars was. It's like tech tween. That's it you know. But i just want the matrix four. That's all i want. I will pay for the subscription for. Hbo max just for the matrix for trying to look at what else there. I use ammos as mortal kombat mortal kombat. Joe it's it dude it's gonna be like fucking plane fantasy football. It's going to be a hit or miss. I swear unless they can they have a lot. That's a lot of shit that they have to go through and they have to prove to me that is worth it. Because honestly in my honest opinion i enjoyed the first mortal kombat movie now. The only thing that they're selling on our rating and the fact that they're gonna show fatalities. What are they gonna show that. We haven't seen in saw or hostel or fucking whatever the ally ross movies that are out there you know so i i get i get it. It's gonna be epic but for me it's to ask. I don't know i'm going to. I'm going to have to wait. It's not going to sell me right away but matrix for just saying i guess my whole initial point is i will get. Hbo max to get these movies day. One at no additional charge. Whereas i have disney plus for another two years. But i don't know that. I'll be getting their movies on my account just for me. I'm going to jokes to watch them. If they are thirty bucks a pop and going to go outside movies trade. You joe log into your. Hbo mex- they go. That's true kinda like joe emma bixby. Are max like what we're doing. What do you do voodoo. Who don't even know what's on your joy. I wanna know what's on my voodoo like i don't know what's on says he's blue never log into it. Pitch perfect the whole series nightmare for christmas. La la land anyway shades on. Let's rapid be treated editing. You i'm not gonna do a whole bunch of editing work. They're going to listen to it. How we have it here. So i'm to draw on throws raw dog in this episode but i'm enjoying join my quest. I just got the quest link cable. So i get to experience that i might be getting some other. Vr shit here so exciting stuff. Good episodes cyberpunk is really cool. I'm glad that we're all enjoying it and we're going. We're taking our own with this game. So that's great so anyways. Let's end this episode. This is chris. I'm going to go play. Some oculus amount piece this john and my get on cyberpunk but i'm probably going to go to bed. Go fucking eat. And then i might play warzone today. As joe killed my scotch. So i need to eat something. And then i don't know cyberpunk or fucking top golf prodigy golf on an oculus where you can't see your surroundings. That sounds amazing. Hoping one of my boys walks in. So i can knock him upside the head. Tommy since you're already don't want him fucking off. What are we recording week. Just a question. no actually. we're going to be offered probably next week for sure because it's christmas time we're going to spend it with our families. That's why haven't released last week's episode audio episode release that and then released this one Probably four or five days later after that so people have stuff to listen to. well cheers. Merry christmas to all of our listeners. Monkey risky merry christmas christmas christmas. Yeah merry christmas to you guys do. Here's twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one boy is so i'll be in arizona on the thirtieth which is a wednesday while flying in there on the dirty and i'll be leaving arizona which is a wednesday nice. Hell ya not podcasting next week available the week after it'll be a two week or the week after that we'll do it'll be. We'll do thursday in seventh. We can do it thursday. We can do that so sweet. All guy sounds good. This is chris. I'm out they have. We all saying goodbye audio game on da thing should just go back to tiktok should but then i got to create a profile. Anyway let me look at it for free like they used to create a profile. And then it gives you more content that you like. You actually liked the real instagram. And i have a dominatrix messaging. She's like where do you live. I'm like why that's fucking to larry. Is that at the end of show. That's funny company incidents.

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Episode 2315 - Caissie St. Onge

Never Not Funny

2:35:47 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 2315 - Caissie St. Onge

"Behavior. Jimmy Pardo here. Never not funny with our guest Casey Saint on right around the corner. But I his guys in our lane Conan O'Brien. He's got a brand new podcast Conan O'Brien needs a friend look on this program. I work with them for years. We all know Conan O'Brien is well, he's now an ear wolf with a brand new podcast again as I mentioned called Conan O'Brien needs a friend hangs out with some of his favorite people. His first guest has got him. We'll feral upcoming guest include Wanda Sykes, Nick Offerman. Kristen bell, also interest questions callers are dying to know like the secret to Conan's hair and his favorite Star Wars prequel. Anyway, get a lot going on here. The first one is mentioned, we'll feral they talk about the last time. He was on Conan that about when Conan was on stage with Ron burgundy how Twitter makes them feel in that one lifetime movie will may with Kristen wig. You could check out the first episode of Conan O'Brien as a friend with will Ferrell in your favorite podcast app. And don't forget to subscribe. So you don't miss an episode. I know what you're not gonna miss. You're not gonna miss never not funny because that's coming up in three. Two, and please don't take this person. Shoop Lalli Goethe. A fistful of Dullard don't thaw the ice cocaine, then you got the yellows. Here comes the yellow, look, I'm not the best gay twelve years in Maimi, Lucy and goosey. Live on team. It's the fastest our in podcasting. This is never not funny now, here's your host, Jimmy Pardo. Over. Indeed is welcome to the program. So Twenty-three fifteen I've just been told off the air. Listen, I'm gonna walk in fucking mess. That's when we decided before I got on the air. I'm having a an asthma attack. I just had my allergy shots. They up my serum cetera. As I say that right serum serve sounds like my Chicago accent is making that sound odd might years. Anyway, I'm heavy reaction to that on the on the heels of getting a shot in my friggin back. Oh, yeah. I forgot to ask you I went to text over the weekend. Texting go die for God. You know, the truth was it was. You know, they they put you you're not on COPA fall. Because you gotta be they gotta be able to talk to because they're going to your spine. So, but it was so they they give you a little bit of anesthesia you're out a little bit. But what they do is they go in the shot. And then a catheter something then goes up your spine to get into the area where they have to put the medicine. Fuck it literally takes seven minutes. Yeah. But you've got to be still on a table or you're lying on your stomach lying under stomach. Yeah. Yeah. Does envious get to be freight forward or your sideways? Your your doubt straight faced out is if you're getting a massage. Okay. Let's but without that little face thing because your neck needs to be at the right of the right angling, everything needs to be right? And all I kept on thinking if there's an earthquake you're done. I'm not dead. I'm paralyzed like what what what crappy time that would be. Luckily that did not happen. Of course. But I did say I said of the doctor. My doctor video buds radio coming onto the gopher longtime. I apologize. My weird breathing. So. You hear that? Yeah. I did hear it, man. I apologize for that. She I said to her. She said, you know, we anytime we're going into the spine. It's very delicate. And you know, it could be it, you know, ninety nine out of one hundred times at work. So, you know, but one time maybe, you know, obviously, there's other feel numbness or tingling so on so forth. And she goes into worse cases than I is paralysis. And I was like how many times have with you. I wouldn't be a doctor anymore. I would quit. I would never. I don't even know if I'd live if that was if I tried to help somebody paralyzed them. I wouldn't be a doctor. She was very forget said seven times. Question. What what guys do it? Okay. I've been doing this a long time. So, you know, what do you what do you expect to make money bills? She was great. The anesthesiologist was great anyway. So that pain seems to be they say it takes five days for it to actually kick in. But I think starting to feel a little a little bit better. Yeah. Good. It doesn't mean that. I I still have to do physical therapy. And all that stuff to go term. Good lord. Our guest is already here is that our guest early career. Geico is your professional. She's a professional commute college could be a package, although seems to early package doesn't it. I don't know, you know, civil trying to deliver a package on Saturday FedEx. And it's an office building. Like, we're not here. But when they ring the thing it goes to my cellphone, so I'm like, okay, I'll I can buzz you in and you just leave it at the door. But then the the deadbolt was locked too because it's the weekend. Oh, well, there's that FedEx with you. There is so FedEx stop trying to deliver to businesses on the weekend is my what do we got here to you? But that's not heavy at all. It's never never enough. And that was that was a little bit of a action on the part of Garin Cockrel. Never not funny. This comes from Atlanta, Georgia this is hot. Now. Let's go. John. Jitney male just showed up the mail. Stealing. My thunder. Illnesses. Take your mind off it in a package from them. Welcome us. What did you say walking? What can? You know, what we're gonna have a new tour named the walk and tour. Oh shit would have a late entry that is. We might have and that solid to really. So that is solid over guys. Jesus Christ is number one of the bullet tour two thousand nine that's come on gets to good good right to good. It's too good. What if it's fragile? Oh, good cool Turley has gotten really into America's funniest home videos. And so we watching it every Sunday now in yesterday of as a kid trying to open a package, and he turns it over and he's shaking and then a piggy-bank falls out of his majesty. All. I remember when Oliver went through is right around the same age. I love to. I mean, I love the show on it. I watch it whenever but watching him or just experiencing is pure joy is amazing hundred percent agree with you. Dear Jimmy met Jimmy, Matt Garin and Elliott, but mostly Jimmy come on look around the room. You remember the majority of the people you meet on the road. But I was lucky enough to be part owed at one of your shows in Atlanta, if it helps you remember I'm a heavily tattoo bearded guy in glasses that is an animator on the TV show Archer. Ooh, that you can't describes half of our fan base. It's also very specific yet. I don't remember this guy at all as a never not funny. He lives over the past decade. Now, remember him? It was a an enormous pleasure. And honor to have my hero yell at me. After the show you were kind enough to autographs from vinyl for me. It's been a vinyl that is why writing today I wrote a small record label, and I've been learning how to make leave embossed vinyl records at home injured and process, but to. Say I need to put in a lot of practice hours. Learn everything I can about creating homemade records I'm burning out of air. I'm pretty for. Caro man as practice the other day. I just let a recent episode nerd, I funny play through my machine, and I cut record after record of just the four of you guys talking. Imagine what I could possibly do with these records since I don't own the rights to any of the concert on them. So I thought I would just make some quick album art for them, and send them to you in the gang. How much you love one hundred eighty gram vinyl. This isn't that this is more. Like, I don't know twelve gram beats me. This is basically one step above a flexi disc. Anyway, a giant. Thank you for all the years of audible, entertainment, you created. You are literally greatest this guy gets it. Seth nNcholas Johnson haunted birthday records. I liked the name wanted birthday records. Seth nNcholas Johnson. Like his name to what I don't like is that he's a heavily tattoo bearded guy in glasses pass. Look is done put some fucking long sleeves on and get a razor. If you live in Atlanta, though, I kind of I if you're like in the south, I know Atlanta's is a city, so it's not like the same as being in the middle of rural Alabama. But I do I kind of give people a little more slack because it's like you wanna let everybody know. Hey, I'm not a redneck. This is. My deal. That's a redneck look all tattoos at a long beard sometime. Sorry. But if you wear glasses in the south, don't you get called the push? I I'm picturing this guy being like a hipster bearded tattoo glasses guy. Yes. F- I guess the the part about sorry, you're gonna hear you. I need to. Don't do that. You haven't watched the latest doctor who you can't pop. You can't pop those. We might explode is that true was being autistic who or this is my only joy again. Jeez. To me. And if you're having trouble breathing. I meant to say has Medicaid. He's got a strike out is in distress cool, by the way, check this out. This. This sounds like the coolest thing ever. Do this really cool. Look at that. Oh my God. That is awesome. There's one for each of us here. Go though, it's clear vinyl look at this is I'm not fucking around. That's in this is the greatest too. Now, we all have to is it all the same. Sounds same sound clippers it I would imagine just things we don't have to cut record after record of to four guys talking to we have a little player. We don't actually Ryan doesn't end up in the back there. But it's it's usually. It's usually a lot of work. Yeah. I like the print this stuff out. Did I think that the image was on the record? I did. It looks cool either. Like that the fact that that's the sleeve is cool tan. That's nice is a little birthday gets it in a way that AST never has. Like, I don't know. How he did that either? That's really cool. You know? It's really cool. Right. The insert. But the yeah, I feel like we need to as much as I love this one of these needs to be auctioned off at podcast that or maybe you could make another one. But I feel like that's something people would love doing think. I do. It's such a cool collectible. It's really cool. Thank you. Seth. Thanks Jimmy were a kid. Did you ever either? I know that my grandparents apparently when my dad was a kid they would cut their own records because they either wax or or some other material. Do you think how old is your grandparents? No, it sounds like this conversation's going. Well, I don't know where that stopped. I don't know where people, and I don't know what your family is your dad was a drummer. So he might have had a a record good one off record cutter. No, we didn't have a record cutter in my house. We came from we came from poor stock we tried to get by like anybody else. Did you ever put the needle on the record? On the record put the needle on the record record dance. We had a we had a a real the real. Yeah. My dad had that. And that's about as and there's some video of me singing spinning wheel by blood, sweat and tears small child. Wow. Thinking that it's going to hell. What goes up must come down spinning wheel rounding around round around. I I wonder I there's no way the types of me as a kid like I had cassette. So that I would pretend to be a DJ or whatever onto like everyone did. And it'd be crazy to hear that. Now, I'm sure it would be so cringe-worthy awful the worst. There is a tape of we we got together about five years after reunion of rainbow bridge and the banter between songs professional comedians UB party makes me wanna throw myself off a building. So you still have that. I have that k Paul sent the MP three version row. Right. And can we get a sample of what that might have been like of what of what you're what young Jimmy Carter banter onstage might have been lights? Just I can't. I can't even do it. It's like is it, and is it worse than every other bands band. No, it's banned humor. Like like, I say professional communities. We also funny guide you. At that time just funny guy, and but just somehow be around the instruments I down. Painful, your Bill is is it possible that having seen because I assume at that point you're in a band you've seen live shows of bands that where your fan, I'm twenty. Okay. So so is it possible that you're like that's how it's done that you're doing an impression of Panter? I kind of think I thought it was better than that. That right. But just like really just fuck horrible. But like that's another podcast of on the that that sending one person that MP three. Oh, no. That will never see the day. That is we bury that. As as Paul points out, the the recording wherever the can this is one thousand nine hundred eighty something the wherever whatever it was recorded, whatever device was recording. This band thing was too close to his amp. All you really gear is a lot a lot of guitar and everything else has got a muffled. So it's not even you know. And then and then you boy you can hear me crystal clearly being unfunny Panthers through good. There's no worries about that. Let me walk over to this recorder. Preserve this one. Everybody gets to hear this nonsense. But we used to do the same thing that you got not we wouldn't play DJ. We pre we would play strata Matic baseball. My stepbrother Scott night and do play by play and record that. And then listen back, and then you listened back for about three minutes ago. I just did. I don't want to. I'm not sure I ever listened to the stuff ever quit. I just would record it. And then I'm done. Yeah. But it was fun doing it. Uh-huh. Fun. The the big joke that we still bring it up at family functions is. Scott, my stepbrother bespoke and said instead of pulled a hamstring pull the hamster. Bannister's out. He's pulled the hamster. And we we laughed. Linda's fantastic athlete gideon's and to this day. I mean, go back to the seventies for that. By the way, that sounds like something Jimmy Pardo would say like you would say that to like mean like you're using hamster as a nickname for hamstring. Right. You're you're just ridiculously shortening. The hamster hamsters. Yeah. Stor. When I was a kid the thing that I did with a recording thing is I took a role attainment. I realized that if you if you pull the tape out, it sounds like a jet aircraft taking off when you record it onto your onto your cassette tape, really. And I and so I started trying to fully type things because like, oh, that's cool. Well, this were things work. But yeah, isn't it funny? How we do that stuff? I I saw a guy at the circus or a carnival yet. A you know, he was a knife thrower or whatever. And I had a box cutter not box exit. What style box cutter not the slightest were then I decided that that's going to be my thing. I'm gonna be a guy that juggle this full this knife. How old are you twelve? Twelve year old have a box cutter. Like, my my dad's tool so that sort of stuff, so you're like, I'm going to I'm going to be the guy who Jogos. So you know, that would be that you'd spend it around if it's been catch with the handle and. You know? But and you never hurt yourself. Never that is quivering with the blade out. I never wasn't again. It wasn't a box. It was like the old style box cutter where it was like a wooden handle within the laid. Oh, basically, but it had like a little hook at the end. Like, a like, a sparklers sabre crazy. Yeah. I mean, I could see doing it. But I could also see injuring yourself. Yeah. I don't know how I injured myself. Probably because I wasn't good at it. You mean, you just never caught it never either caught it or didn't catch it. That'd be the two I guess options. But the third thing is catching the blade that never happened. That's happened. I used to try the that thing where you rather think from alien called Rochambeau or five thinkers Rochambeau someone else on the balls. What is that? There's some other does rock, paper scissors. It was called Rochambeau is well, there's a name like that for that. Where you're hold your hand on the table, and you stab between the fingers, would you? Now. Let me ask you a question. Would you today? Somebody comes in here. And goes, I'm going to do you put your hand out there pay you with thousand dollars you? Let me do it for five minutes. Five minutes on. And I I mean, I don't know who this person is if they come in and say, I'm a professional knife person. Whatever that is I wouldn't do it. Would you even with a pen somebody who is that with the I think that's how I used to do it? I don't think actually used a ni-. I think we all did it after seeing alien like you can try it. Remember that scene? Is it Lance Hendrickson? He's a she fucks. But he's an Android. Yes. That's the thing. He's perfect at it. And he goes super fast. And it's crazy. I don't have enough of a span here. I'm not happy with my band spread your finger. It is dick. Fuck. That's as far as you go. Yes. Well, I'm looking at a weird angle. It looks like it was called knife game pin finger nerve Bishop stabs Gotch stabber scotch five finger fillet. Stab between the fingers came really a very creative staffer to me. Speaking of as when we sit on walking mess. That's what we said on. Right guaranteed text that to me walking. So I don't forget that. We're walking miss. It. Depends father fuck even that thing hurts magin. Well, because it's grabbing the let me try it. All right, but I have more room somehow. So wait, you're just going here here here here co Ed. Out. Pretty good. Literally hit every finger that trying to hit your jets. This horrible. This is the worst guarantee your head over here. So they tried to do I was so distressed by that that I managed to have the exact wrong camera looking in the exempt player. I'll do it again. We'll do it again. All right. All right. Hey, I like that. Because that doesn't hurt that much. This is this is not a big deal. Can you? This is good. But it's also it's not as thin as. It's not as thin as a knife either. So that's true. What happened when you when you pinch the ED's? That's the word, right? Lean forward again. That's pretty good out here. Oh boy. All right. I'm gonna do it to Garin. I'm not going to do it again. I don't. Darren you care, and you do it to yourself. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's yes. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to. Yeah. Yeah. Why is he stood a weird pattern? He's well. He's doing. It's called stab scotches because you've got a. Cures for. That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah. You're supposed to go one. And then two and then three and doing it where he. I was trying not step myself. I also realized I was right in front of the that whole. He's got he's using Jimmy's camera wha-wha-what. What were you doing? I was covering the the action. Okay. Very good. Pretty good though. Yeah. You only out like ten times. But it it. What if what if you went with the with match game days of? Could've made this into a microphone. Yeah. Put a lab at the end of that member of the first I did make the. Match game. You just made it you like took a tube. And I took it to to be cut it, and then put a live at the end that was the first one. And then eventually I ended up getting a. Yeah. What did you end that? When I ended it right? Yeah. I think so was great. I don't remember the home maiden. Yeah. There was a homey one for the while. We are. We are we talking about good and Cairns ever-changing hair color. What about guarantee ever changing mood? What happened was we're gonna that's a song by style council. I ever changing. It is always changing owned fairness. Everyone's I cannot stress enough. How I'm having an allergy. I can hear you being able to breathe breathe. Can we get something from seven eleven that would not missed, but but I don't have my rescue inhaler. Yeah. So I just department he missed tablets that. Hopefully will that'll me down. Okay. Do I wish I had a rescue inhaler? Yes. Because I would instantly. Am I worried that you're going to pass out and fall over because you're not breathing deeply, and that's not going to happen? All right. That's not gonna happen for some reason that does happen who would you like to give you the web of life. That's the tough question. You've got the experience. Yeah. You would not crack under the pressure of putting in your mouth on another man's mouth. Has it has any have any of you taken like, the emergency training recently? No. Because I read a thing which says that if somebody passes out that you don't do the mouth to mouth anymore that you're not supposed to do that. What do you do? You just do the the. But what does asking? We got to cover all the bases class. Well, you you're you're trying to get their temperature. But if you don't have a thermometer ver. About to say thermostat night, changed it up. But no, I was reading thing because I was I was looking at emergency procedures for something else. And and it it said don't give it's no longer recommended to give mouth to mouth, just do compression. If somebody is is passed out in their heart isn't going, maybe it's just for me was just for a heart attack. I kind of always thought that the mount them out. I always say that because you learn it when you're doing swim classes, I was associated that with drowning. Sure, obviously if someone's not breathing in a non water situation, you also probably would eventually want to give. I think that that's the thing. But that's I think that's but like but getting the heart going is the main thing, right? And so may maybe maybe the mouth mouth works. But the heart is more important. I don't know what they didn't read more to find out what the lows, according this is since two thousand eight. You can skip the mouth to mouth, but breathing and just pressing the chest to save a life in a major change the American Heart Association said Monday that hands only CPR rapid deep presses victims chest until help arrives works just as well as standard CPR for sudden, cardiac arrest and notes. So that's just if somebody's hardest stop. And so would you what do you do for? But I forget what you would just do it now. But what what is what I forget the pattern like there's like you're supposed to do it like eight times, and then wait ten seconds. And then do it. There's a song. Well, staying alive is the easiest one. Oh, yeah. Stay alive. Stay. What do you do in that part? What do I do? Yeah. Everybody know that I'm dead. I'm the hero. He don't sing it into their mouth. I've just told me I don't do it anymore. Oh, but you see I used to seeing it. As I used to seeing it in their mouth. Down the local to know that I'm a here. Cou sticks of singing that into someone's mouth. It'd be great. That'd be wonderful. It's like it's pretty mercury's mouth. Oh, man. Yeah. Absolutely. Just told not seeing that. No. I my mom of all people texted me. And was like have you seen this? Great. I was like really my mom does a very good movie. She doesn't give us about Queen. Now. That's I was surprised. She went to see it. That's bizarre. That is surprising. We haven't talked about it because I saw you finally saw it would you think I enjoyed it a lot I feel like there's. I feel like this stuff in between the scene that I wanted to see. Well, the there's also like I said, it's a very flawed and movie. There's a lot of bullshit. I wanted to know I wanted more. I like a lot of what you saw was not true say you want it all. Doodo? Oh, it is. Oh. All and I want it. That's one of my favorite Queen songs. What album is that on say the miracle that was just listening to I guessing what's the what's the look. I wanted all by the at the races that the one that starts with we the chamber with we will rock, you know, that's news of the world news the world. I was listening to that one over the weekend. Good. I've never really listened to the deep cuts because some interesting miracle cool songs on on the on that album that are not what you expect. Like, they're kind of all over like, there's some more punk sounding stuff. And it's like I liked what Queen. That's what we do. We always changing. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I really only knew the heads. Go greet our guest this Casey's. I I'm on the program, introduced yourself apologize for your hair. Explain that. You're miss Sparta's assistant. You're going through a crisis. White change your hair on a regular basis. Is it is it blue or gray? What is it on top? But then there's a little blue yellow yellow on the sides. But then there's another color on top. That's what I want. Wait, wait. Nobody was bleach. I think he did something on top of the beliefs. I think something here. I think that that's the new edition is right in this. Do you think so? We're gonna ask here's Casey say nano she's walked in. She has the hair Garin wisit wishes. He had. No guarantee where? Yeah, you're right matter is there is some did you throw some color up on top there? Garron little toners in there. There is tone silvery sheen silvers to color that you that what it's called on the bottle. I don't know if I forgot what it was called silvery sheen, by the way is. That's Martin's third kid isn't. Yeah joke. Anybody who was lost in the fires? Jimmy. His Martin and his wife have been found and they want, but sill we've lost silver, silver, is that the pleasure fire. Okasha over the pleasure for the pleasure. Somebody pointed out, and what's his name is David Dale or Daniel Dale the guy reporter from Canada. That fact checks Trump's nonsense. I don't know the points out that his favourite part of Trump is when it Trump will never we and east dating apps, but they'll never admit that he's wrong, and he just, you know, corrects himself by justifies like an improviser he'll go pleasure or paradise yet. What choice either? And then somebody put it out, and he's still he goes my favorite Trump. Think of all time is when he called the the wrong name then made up a story to justify his big CJ DJ. He said he goes by both both. What do you say? You called me deejays. It would never happen. It is. It's your Elliot. He's like an improviser who's just trying to roll with everything. So yes and guy, but he only. Yes, ends himself. Of course, he will. He will know, but the rest of the room home, every success is every failure is in spite of him. Listen, I've said it'd be willing to say it again. Then I'm going to pull the plug in this guy. I'm not comfortable having an asthma attack. Then I don't know if I am I I don't know. And should I probably go to see my allergist instead of talking here on the microphone probably I'm choosing to see this through though and hope to God that I don't die. We're gonna be okay fingers case. That's so you like there's no inhaler. There's no over the counter inhaler that would help you don't sell that anymore. They used to sell a teen, MS. But now that you have to buy the pills. But I'm wondering if I should have Garin call over to the allergist, or maybe I just do that in the break and see if they can't prescribe what immediately and then I. In the other break run up through the rate eight and get it. Do you think they would have won? Because you're your allergist is right down the street. Right. There's also a chance they might they might have one that they could just you could just run over there and get a sample. I don't know the answer. Yeah. To they make Sam they may also say we need you to come in here. And because usually when you have a reaction they want you to stay there for like a half hour. So it would be a major stop down, but we would need. Well, we don't wanna do that. No, God forbid the flow of this program. I mean, the flow is everything did you notice? How how I was going down the the human being road and decided no this should be comedy. Did you hear? Did you hear that transition? I don't think anybody heard it. Okay. Well, they're going to comedy. All right. Casey, say non just in case, you might sing any of those words, right because you know, in print that could be a number of things, I never heard Casey's voice until this very moment. I only know her by Twitter and and messaging messaging. Messaging messaging messaging. Massaging. Yes. Because I'm your your bright. And I'm I'm dying in front of, you know, I'm I'm worried are you going to be okay? I don't know the answer to that. I don't wanna be the guy that kills you. Your lady. What? Sums up killing us the important part. Oh, that's that's what I don't want to do. We're going to be. Okay. I don't know. I think we'll be fine. How long is this supposed to take those pills to kickin? You took it twenty six months ago. There is that what it took them twenty eight minutes ago while they should be kicking in then soon. If not you know what it is. It's like it's like when I had the banana on the plane by throats closing up my lungs are closing up. I'm not doing. Well. This is not good. All right. Well, why don't we? So certainly keep talking. Professional. Show must go name the band. Sticks. Oh, I took a shot in the dark kiss. No. You just saw this. Did you? Queen case they. Not the end credits has a different song. It's got the. That other one that nobody knew it was a Queen song until the three weeks ago, which one you're my best friend capable the name. We will rock, you know, dammit, hang on getting out of second Casey, say notches or case, he's the show run over there at the busy Phillips program. But she's in our circle, we know Casey. We we have a gazillion mutual friends gazillion, and it's stupid that we're finally media. It's taken this long for us to meet, but you live in New York. Don't you? Well, not right now what oh you're fit for the program. Yes. But I live in Connecticut. Normally, oh, we're in Connecticut. Westport, connecticut. That's where my my sister. Now husband used to live there. Now, they live in Norwalk. Oh, yeah. What's this character? Norwalk? It's beautiful town. It's nice. All right. Hang was know. Know you're looking at this song. Oh, is it? Don't stop me now. Yes. That's it. Thank you. Well, I knew that was a Queen song. You did a lot of people did not do, you know, what don't know it might play a little bit of Garin because I don't know the deep cuts. Don't stop me for me. Who's a here at this time? Don't stop don't stop me. Now is that how it goes? Yeah. You're having trouble. That's me at the end of widow. Carrie? Wow. Thank you. How would you play my retirement? That's not karaoke you. You're just performing. I take over the. How sweet to spot. How can you ever? Hear the song. Not. No, it's it's unrealistic. Ice skating, pardon. Yeah. You pick it up. Now. This is when you're doing your clearly early. Really do the speed run. I like the part of the ice skating. I love when they go as fast as they can all the way from one into the other. It's funny that you have to you have to do that or something. As a technical term. That's right. Watch the Olympic zoo. Yeah. I don't know that that's better than the. That's any worse than south cow. Right. Like where does that come from triple? No, I've never I've been on ice skates. Twice a black cow. Remember that route bear with vanilla? That sounds good. Delicious food a black cow. They would like a root beer float. But just one different ingredient that they changed it to blackout probably offensive in two thousand eight say, it's a little problematic is it. I don't know. I don't know what it means. We funding the bovines the black ones then other place back in the barn. Bovine. Let's go again, I need to remind the audience. This guy is having trouble getting oxygen to his brain. How how are the Pels they working? I don't know if they are Casey we're gonna but we're going to get through. We're going to do. We're going to do is show you're taking there's the only Monday you have available because of your busy busy Philip schedule. I watched the program last night. I watched the one with oh, I'm going to get her name wrong. Lauren Graham, no Hamilton. Model? Maybe that's another last name Hamilton the model her last name holiday. That's it. That's holiday, and when I say washed Casey in fairness, I watched up until the second commercial break. Sounds like I'm putting it down. I'm not it's very very entertaining. It's be busy. Yeah. Yeah. That they go through the busy brings her staff out, and they they get properly fitted for brassieres, and because it's a big deal within eighty percent of women walk around their entire lives wearing the wrong size bra. You knew that. But it because it's so urinating slash nervous. Makings slash whatever. Inconvenient to go get fitted for a bra that you'd rather just walk around with like being uncomfortable. Why is it? No this. Now, this is I don't understand this. Because again, I turn this program off. Why is it on? Now, you have a wife. I could have just asked her. I guess we're currently not talking. Why why is it uncomfortable to go and and be properly fitted or why going to a Victoria secret and trying on various reserves to find the right size? Why is that uncomfortable for you ladies? Well, I think like you can try them on and take a guess at it. And but you're often wrong. I think it's uncomfortable in the same way that it's like not super fun to go to the doctor like it's intimate and a stranger is like touching use. Lash like, sizing you up. It's super weird. It's weird thing. So we wanted to do this piece where we're like, hey, let's cheer each other on while we go buy bras. And it'll be Superfund. There's this like legendary prop in Los Angeles where they the women are so good at it that they just look at you. And they don't even have to touch you or touch you at the tape measure anything and tell you what's happening with you in your bra. So we were we were like, yeah, let's go try, and it'll be super fun, and it was super fun and all the women that went had a really good time and felt really empowered. But then it was like, you know, like two guys work with us. And they were like we like it was funny. And then I started to enjoy their reaction watching it and the various edits of it. And I was like is it because you know, these women in their in their bra women rose. You know? So that was like a little funny. And then I was like then I was like, well, I like, I'm just enjoying how uncomfortable my friends are. So now, that's what's funny to me. It was a good experiment to try to put it on television. And see like, well, we'll these people in the audience, and we'll people at home see what we originally saw in it. And and it was so cute because one of our researchers took pictures of all the guys on the crew, and you know, TV crew guys like older guys and just like like dying laughing like cameraman, dying laughing our lighting director. How does that down on table? And so we were like, oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. We we were right? And what Philly like it worked, and it plead and and that was good. But we're also trying to like say a little thing. Like, you know, it's weird to go buy a bra, and you wouldn't think about it? But it's like a thing that we wear rega-, and you know, it's fucking irritating. Okay. Don't cover the language. I get your point. I give me the shame. If we if we if mentioned a word jockstrap, I was thinking that because because a jockstrap isn't a full pair of underwear. So your your your Butt's hanging out. And if somebody had to fill you for that, they come up and like measure the distance between your thighs and order to put the straps on correctly or something and then manipulate your testicles. I I would I wouldn't do it. Well, I'm back in. In other news, manipulation of high smell a new business by Elliott, your your handiwork over there. Look like. And you know, I don't use the phrase on point. I mean business here. My dad used to always wear jockstrap like we'd go play Racquetball or whatever he would always like would change into the jockstrap and shorts and so on. And I assume once you got older like when I was a kid like, what are you get to a certain age, and you need to wear a jockstrap kind of just went away. Thank God makeup. Well, because they introduced those like sort of lake road you were. If you were you went, and if you were to go play Racquetball tomorrow, you've just show up at a pair of shorts roof and your underpants. Although is read about one of the things that you should maybe wear a Cup because the ball comes right at you. I don't know. I mean that that and that is the main the main function of the jockstrap is to provide the Cup. Right. I think the main function is to keep you tight. Well, let me put it this way. If you're going to have a Cup. You have to have a jockstrap supporter will now they make like I said they make boxer briefs with the. Yeah. The have the built-in. So you don't have to have your asking like you. Terrible. When I was a kid when I saw like junior high school, they suggested that we wear those NS soon as I saw that. I'm like, oh, I'm not. No, that's not happening. I don't understand that that work. Yeah. That's also a dance belt is similar to that. Right. That's built is very similar to that. Although it's got a wider. Belt area waist area. What's a dance belt kind of a same thing. It's a jockstrap for dancers. Dancy spanks to everything from flapping around. Yeah. Tight down there. Now, I should you know this because I'm not well in doubt. I don't. We don't have. We'd never have to worry of me flopping around. Right. It's it's all tight and close. If anything, let's let's let's put a jock strap on. So it at a. Adelson? Give me a Cup. Give me a bulk. Yeah. Yeah. All right Casey's in here. There's a conversation for another day seems like we're fully we've had the full council conversations over. All right. Here's what's going to happen. In the break. I'm gonna try to find an allergy zertec or something like that gonna take that if not them to send Garin over the Braga, and you can get me one seven, and I think that'll take another deep breath right now. I'm breathing better. It sounds a little bit better. But I'm still having the my throat is closed. And so he's Ertak will hope with that. So we'll I'll take an allergy relief medicine, and but we're going to get through this. It's going to be okay. Guys, like nine twelve. Remember, we have nine eleven was horrible night twelve we still weren't feeling great. That's where we're at right now. Yeah. Twelve okay. This is us. We hear you soon the World War here. You. Hey, here's some exciting news. We are selling all the tour posters that we had made for our two thousand eighteen tour. Never not funny. Live in two thousand eighteen we have all those posters now available at pod swag. 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Everybody. Welcome back to the program. Episode Twenty-three fifteen cases in orange is with us. She's the she'll runner is recalling a shoulder or head writer. What do we yet? Is it all of it? Yeah. Writer on the show. I'm the show runner. I'm one of the many executive producers along with Tina Fey, busy Phillips, Stephen minor. And Eric Korean? Okay. I don't know those two men, but the. Every lady in there, David minor. I don't do. I know David minor like my name and Clinton is kind of a B D big deal to me. I don't know. I don't know David minor. I know this Tina Fey you spoke of Tina Fey. Yeah. Yeah. She's kind of she show up over there and give you guys notes, and you teller mind your business. Go back to Netflix. No. She does text a lot though, she does show up, but she's based in New York, but yes, she tech Salat and e mails a lot and she's super cool. Really? Yeah. I mean, like not to be all weird or whatever. I try not to be weird. But it's weird like Tina Fey bay. Like, hey, can I tell you some ideas? And I'm like, oh, yeah. Good ideas. Yeah. So she's very cool gives you a very Laura house five tour did. Yeah. Right. Heard that before no one of the way, you're the the the internet. Very Laura hausky. Oh, all right is a brilliantly. Funny. Comedian I say to be insulting to. You don't want it when the great Tony fields, and I had lunch toady and love her you do right? Aggravate again, I don't know you you're obviously younger than I am. But my generate like Tony fields was a female comedian. We enjoyed I've never said she. But you're you guys don't know who she is at all. He just was mainly like if you watch the Mike Douglas, you knew who told you was and then otherwise, no, I well, you know, I started out with like, you know, old school like I started out working for David Letterman. And so everyone who was his hero was super old school Johnny Carson, you know. So I spent a great deal of time like catching up I wanted to catch up. What did you do a program? I was his assistant you were. And that's where I learned how to write and started writing very, you know, twenty two years old first job out of college. So yeah. And that was late night. My late show. My first job was to pack. His office up at NBC and move his things over to the Ed Sullivan theater at CBS. So you were his. Personal assistant one of them. Yes. All right. So you you and Morty would butt heads. Morty would come in and say Dave needs to do this. And you would you would have to be a deflected force. I mean, I guess I loved Robert I love him still a talked to him every once in a while. Do you talk to you when you need to buy a? And guess what? He does not being. It's so cool. Right. Just he sells you'll get an Email from Maury. Yeah. E so's mansions, and you go. Why this? Well, if he sells one key makes forty million dollars commission like their craze. Right. It's insane. Beautiful beautiful homes. Yeah. I'm so proud of him. It's kind of cool, and he's like such as stylish guy that it totally makes sense that he'd be like, yeah, I'm going from television comedies like selling cool houses to cool people. But houses that you and I will never be able to afford not even be invited. You. Right. Obviously, you would I for the listener to Matt. I was that Casey could not afford these homes. No, I cannot and also probably cannot be invited. Okay. So all right. So you would you you would be they're getting Mr. Letterman Assane, which share and Morty would come in and go we got a meeting, and then you would how would you handle it? I'd be like, okay. Boy, you really very strong, very tough. Yeah. This is how it's done. I'd be like, okay. Yeah. I mean, what else did I do sandwiches? Check. I did get some sandwiches pasta. He liked pasta. Dave penney. No, like, it's like an angel hair Hewitt. Eat some angel a few bites angel hair every day for lunch. But yeah, I was mostly agreeable with everyone that worked there. But did have like a weird. Do you want me to tell weird story? Why wouldn't we it's up to you? Whatever you're comfortable telling I did have a weird thing one time, which was really the first time. I was ever putting up -sition to be like you cannot be here. And it was like we they would always put us on the show the league show with David Letterman, and it was super cool because you see if you got on TV, you could like double your pay for the week, you know, because we're all kids, and you get paid whatever feats be on television. So there was this thing where Dave was like, okay. We're going to send the standby line up to my office to watch the show. Oh, because they're not getting into the theater, so that's going to be a bit. And we'll have a camera out there. And then once I'm done with every guest's. I'm going to send them up to the office. So the guests that night were Lyle Lovett was in his office and Warren Beatty was in his office and Garry shandling was in his office. And and then just some people from like buffalo that were on the stand by line and myself. So I was like the hostess of like, we're in Dave's office watching the show on the television because you didn't get into the theater, and so all I really remember is that it was fun. And like I talked to Dave and got to be on television. So I was excited that I was going to get like four hundred fifty dollars or whatever and the people from buffalo were so nice. And I remember Warren Beatty kept taking greats off of this platter. And being like in the commercial break. Like, what do I look like eating these grapes? And I was like. Warm baby eating grapes. But then the the incident happened after it was all done in the show was over in. Dave was like, I know because I'm as the system like going back to his dressing room to change out of his suit and to get into lake has play close or whatever it's come back up and do like a post mortem on the show, which they did every night, the producers and writers. And so I was like, okay. Thank you, Warren, Beatty and Lyle Lovett and Garry shandling or so nice to have you. And I really love all you guys. Thank you so much, and then Garry shandling was like I'm gonna hide in Dave's closet and jump out and scare them. Seems like a bad that seems like not a great idea. Like, you probably wouldn't think that was funny as you seem to think it would be and he was like, no, no, I'm going to do it. And I was just like really like having you know, again, I was like probably twenty three years old at that point. And that was like do I physically tried over move from this office, or did you I really like make an appeal to him? I mean, just I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how Dave would've reacted. I probably I wouldn't like someone to jump out of a closet and surprise me. And I didn't know if I should like go get an adult to help me out. So, but then something clicked, and I was like I think he's just doing this because I appear to be freaking out. And he's enjoying the freaking out. That's what's funny to him. So then I was just like just wandered away. And. I guess he lost interest in the bit for Dave ever came up. But yeah, so war he still in the plus. Could you imagine? I should go check. I would he's going to jump out on Stephen Colbert. That'd be amazing. That would be amazing. I think about a so many times when someone that I love who's famous dies. I always think like like, I just thought this boat MCA from the BBC boy. And I was like what if he's actually not like it's totally print because he was a prankster. I was like, yeah. Come back. Like he's going to burst out of somewhere sometime. He's not though. He's not right. I think Gary. Oh, no. We really got primed for that with you know, so many years of Elvis is alive. Yeah. That you know, when we were little kids being like, well, maybe maybe. Huge prince fan. So I often have that same Mike fantasize about it. Yeah. Do you know, our friend CeCe Pleasants? Yes. Because she is also a nutjob for prints would imagine the two of you would hit it off. We do know one another. We do. Yeah. Yeah. The whole it's nice. There's like a little prince community. And if you can get over how weird it is that like a huge amount of your friends are friends because you just saw love this little this little guy. You know, but it is kind of weird like I just this past spring went to I've been a number of times, but went to Peasley park for this like four day celebration thing that they have that's all these symposiums. And you know, you tour the museum, and and everything, and then you see concerts with like, you know, acts that were affiliated with prince. And my husband was like, it's truly like your high school reunion. The people keep coming up to you being like, hey, it's me Tony from Belgium. Oh my gosh. So, you know, these people, so you're not kidding. You are a huge that. Yeah. Wow. How did you see the revolution? When they were just recently doing live shows. Yes, I saw them. I think three or four times. Them once I guess. Are you enjoyed that show? Oh my gosh. They're so good. And it's such a nice show that they're doing where they love what Wendy is like one of Wendy Melvoin is like one of my all time life heroes just for everything. And I loved how she said that like you're the singer like people kept asking who's going to replace him as the singer. And the answer is nobody you're all the singers. And so we're just doing this nice show to be together. And it was just it was very cool to see them kind of all grown up because they were really kids when we saw them. So Mark Brown the bass player like seeing leaky was so I remember him being so shy. And like, yeah, he's like what seventeen eighteen years old just in this world wide phenomenon band. And it must have been so weird for him. So to see him like taking command to the stage and being like, a cool grownup. It was pretty cool for me when I show them they head to do. My Rudolph came out and did a couple of. Yes, she's amazing. But they had to dudes that would sing the. Opposite the print song idiot. And one was phenomenal Stokely from mint condition. And one was oh, boy, I don't I'm trying to think who the other person was I don't know. I love bummed. We we saw the guy from mint condition, which is like a Minneapolis band that prince loved and was a fan of he was the lead singer. And I brought my teenage son to see them with me brought nobody else would probably go like my my third time seeing them. So I brought him to be kings. I think to see him, and he was like those two cool that they let that teenager get up in sing with them. And I was like that guy is fifty. Looks good. Stookey still claimed Oakley. Yeah. Did he was he costumed? Yes, we're costumes. It's it's like not a costume. Exactly. But it's kind of like a tribute and like a high concept outfit, usually sometimes a hat. He's good looking guy here. He's young. Like a teenager to my teenager. Wow. If you're a teenager, you're doing exactly teenager would know. Yes, rather sharp, aren't they? You have to teenagers teenagers. Yeah. Young adults men. Yeah. A nineteen year old and a sixteen year old Hardcastle and a Chicago sixteen. With that. I wasn't maybe a you could've called it. A. Molly ringwald sixteen Kansas Kansas going to go with the ringwald certainly could've. What do you think our friend, John Cryer? He's got a new role. He's going to be lex Luther. That's exciting. Really? Yeah. Here that which is bizarre because he played lex Luther is what nephew or something similar in three. Oh, yeah. We're so is the dishonor is nephew. It was something. I don't remember it as a member playing him on supergirl, see. That's right. There's not Super Bowl. It was the Twitter was a buzz of that gas that raking that was that seemed to Twitter over the weekend with Ricky oh are said that none of these fires would have happened. If they would just leave rates for lawers. If we rate because that's what they told them in in Finland. Right. Well, he heard. Yeah. That there's no forest fires in Finland. And it's really because they rake up those it's nothing to do with the fact that they have inches and inches more rain, right? And you know, it's more of the sun. Sorry, maybe better power power safety in their power lines. Because wasn't so Carolina's in Vic responsible for our lives started. The so Cal and Pacific Gas and electric always both. Yeah, they each fire apparently started by one of them. Well, listen, you guys complain though, you want the lack of raking. I gotta get this leaves. Once we get those leaves up. Thank you Garin. Get them is why raped by backyard and regular basis. I leave those leaves out there. I got a I got a brushfire within seconds. City will burn the ground. Right. Then I'm gonna blame. I sent Oliver out there. Young men to grab that rate. Could you out there you save this city? If only there was a workforce that was like coming from somewhere else. Like ready to do the raking. Oh, looking for work looking for some way to subsist a little bit of money for five. I mean, I know it's kind of a pipe dream that like that thousands of people would actually come to this country to do that. But turnaround, you're not welcome. There are people. Yeah. Oh my God. Tells them to turn around. They are not welcome here. The other an invasion force gotta hear back. Yeah. Did they turn around? I don't think a few of of made it in their town heard anything about them since they made this. You know, he tweeted over the weekend, they they made it to Tijuana. And apparently, it's too many people for Tijuana handle, so don't think about coming here. And then people like serve the country of the United States is much bigger than little appeal wanna. Maybe we can handle them back. Yeah. Towards the nice thing. The great Bonnie Tyler song. Got a care of income. And you want them turned around to hit. That was pretty good. How has your breathing by the way, it seems to be improving? Okay. And I believe the allergy pill is opening the the wind path. Yes. So little loopy. Joe this is just making. Jenner's trying to give the medicine the credit for that. But no, there's still some tightness right in there. But I think the desert technical opened that and we'll see how clear the lungs can be as we learned doctor Campbell said on a recent episode. Yeah. That's what my doctor said. Well, put about are the floor or scope, it's Clair's London's can be doctor Campbell. I did. Oh, wow. This is a rollercoaster for me. Sure, you made me fall in love with them. And then come away. He was a very nice man doctor Campbell high. Also, sometimes think that he might pop back. Ted. Case where are you living while you're here? I live in mount Washington Osho up there up Highland Park. Yeah. It's really pretty. Yeah. There's it's interesting. There's no real buses orders place or anything like that. So that's interesting coming from New York or Yubari everywhere. Did you rent a car? I rented a car, but my poor son is just like I I walk down stairs. That were. I hope they weren't someone's yard of my tried to get a try to get a bus to Hollywood. But he's he's doing okay. So far, so good. So you're you're nineteen year old is with you or your sixteen year old. My nineteen year old is back east in college. And my sixteen year old is here attending his junior year of high school, and he's attending here. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. He wants to go into politics. So I think it's like interesting for him to just, you know, a totally different school across the country. He went to school back east, and he's going to a public school out here. And it's so so so different. So he's enjoying it. Great. Are you comfortable saying his name? His name is Lincoln high. Lincoln. He listens to this podcast. He does he's a huge comedy fan. Only gets it gets into way. Casey, never wheel. Can we defensive right to her face? All right. Let's say a little Garrett cockerels over there. The pop culture because dot com Garin other than dry throwing some silver into your hair high who away did you what'd you over the weekend? I think of import we're gonna do this weekend. I started writing a new script. Okay. I watched widows. What'd you think? What does I saw widows? I liked it a lot. It's a smidge long. Did you find long the entire movie? I don't think it needed to be two hours and fifteen minutes was only two minutes and nine two hours nine minutes. And I know that because my arc late ambassador said made a joke about I don't know why they couldn't find another minute to make it an even number and audience laughed like they'd never heard comedy before. Joke. He did see something else after that was funny that I actually met her myself kinda funny killing he did say something funny. But I like the guy movie, why don't you get job? Sincerely, you love the arc light. And you'll love the arc light. I think it'd be nice. Hey, everybody. I'm gary. What would Eric like me? See in widows comes in two hours, nine minutes. Here's the problem. Those kind of jobs, they don't give me the time of day. I've been fighting for a job at Barnes and noble. I think I'm overqualified at this point if they've sent him away. We'll tell them you're not they won't even progress past the application dumbed down your resume. Yeah. Dumbed on the resume. I mean, I guess I can do that. Well, there's not a lie. If you need something off distraught by degrees. Yeah. Absolutely five of them and your age drop, your age directories with this new silver hair of yours. They're going to they don't know. How old are your of busy seventy five or twenty two. We don't know. I had a a one on one arc light ambassador situation once which was. Interesting. The only one in the movie theater. Yeah. Oh, so you have to pay attention at that point. You can't not because then you're a dick because you're giving me information, where's my exits? But I'll usually be finishing up checking in it. Whatever my phone, and then this time I have. Cares cares. The movie theater what if you in that situation? Seriously, if you said as early as possible. I'm good don't worry about it. I got I got it. I know the Stein of the deal. Do you think that this cross my mind, you think you could stop them from doing so? Well, you know what I do? It's my job. I just I would like to see I would like to see someone try to be kind of funny. If you're the only one in there when I went to front runner. I was you only went in there me and some woman who was staying to watch it a second time, and she was in a wheelchair. So they let her Donna rice. It may. Yeah. But desperation wheelchair. Let's she in disguise. That's exactly right. Just she's a notes her. Why would you stay and watch it a second time who this woman? Yeah. I I don't know. One was was plenty for me. The front runner of all movies. I got to see it again. I got a I got to get those details. I somebody that didn't have anywhere to go. Like, she was just killing time code different theaters. Another here, I'm over here. You know, who's dollar really Casey laughed at people know, you're doing precise silent Laufer, I've been laughing very hard. This whole time. Let's let's amp up that side. We can't do throw some decibels on that thing. That's the saddest islands and this. Oh, upside heinous, I don't like the ban the band that did that cover that's beautiful on Conan. They did the great cover the band the Derg disturbed. I I wouldn't listen to them ever. But that version of theirs is beautiful. I'll have to bodies at the Florida me. They don't do music. You like that's the style. They do not love anger. It's weird that they did that's on probably 'cause they lost that vowel. Isn't that isn't that one of the band's where they dropped the drop the at the end? Think we're about the drive you right now. Should even moody was when he came in here. He says he turned it around fast today. Yeah. He did. You did you turn it around fast. I think I'm progressing in my ability to deal with my own flaws. It's almost like I think he's almost ready to hear about the other thing, which I. What the hell from? We don't need to talk about it on the air. But the people players club video people know that there was a mix up with the video and. I just wanted to that. We said I made a mistake this onto different videos. Yeah, November when he when he when I fixed it this morning. And then you went in and changed it, and then I had to fix it again. Oh, you mean the thing I posted it was wrong. Yeah. Lot of drama here. Guys, very case. Sorry, sorry. It's okay. It's over the busy Philip show. She to bubbly. No. We don't have a great deal of drama. You guys do an odd Sunday through Wednesday schedule. Why is that happening walk me through? I think it's because it's shifts us out of the same week that everyone else is having. I think sort of the point of the show is to give you like a nice little treat as you're settling down for the evening and Sunday night is a stressful time for people. So to have like a a little half hour to fight off the Sunday scary. So you can have a nice Monday morning was kind of the idea and Also Sunday nights a big night on E. So that isn't hurt. Yeah. The kardashians. Are I don't keep our? Oh, wait a second shot. Yeah. I don't I don't know. How you did that I'm impressed. Yes. So I think that's that's that. You know, there was. I don't know why four nights a week most of five, but you know, just we just wanna make your show as much as they'll let us at Sunday idea. Yeah. Nice. I like the frizz Sunday scary. I do too. Yeah. Did you have that? When your kids scary. Oh, my God hitting you're vomiting or whatever never physically sick. But I just had just the deep just sunk into a depression having like thinking about oh, I haven't done my homework yet. Oh, I have to go school tomorrow. Like the all that that feeling of like a it's not here yet. But it's coming let me so I can't even enjoy this never goes away then into delta, right? So. Yeah. So it just like a little treat to like have Margarita. Let's speak fee and socialize with celebrities and make fun of chickens. I don't know we just you know, we're just trying to have a good time. And you are getting some great guests. I mean Julia Roberts, which is arguably one of the biggest movie stars of our lifetime. Yes. And she's a big fan of busies. They're like. Met each other on Instagram or whatever. So. Yes. So it was very fun. And she just really came like ready to play into goof off, which I love. Yeah. And yet, and she was so nice and just hung out. She wasn't. Yeah. Just met. Everyone was super cool and put everyone at ease. But yeah, we've had some really good guests, Kristen bell. She's delightful in the extreme. Yes. So and this week we're having shows that are all the guests are all busies friends for like a Friendsgiving week. So you already pre-tape all the already taped the last night. Lauren Graham, aired from Gilmore girls and parenthood and tonight is like Barron Hilton. It's a really really funny show. So I I'm excited for people to watch it because he's like adorable. I'd never met him before he is another person like you who's friends with everyone that I'm friends with. But I'd never met him. And I was walking by and he grabbed my arm, and he was like Casey, it's me. Barron holtz. And then I was just like, oh, hey mates donates to meet you. And he was like, I know you from from Instagram. That was really cute and sweet. And he just really brought it and was a super super funny guest and cooked a recipe a secret recipe for us, and well, I'll let you watch it. I'll let you watch all three acts of it tonight. Wow. It's worth it. It's twenty two minutes. I what I watched. I enjoyed. Here's here's the truth about the matter. I was watching it. And then we're putting my son into bed in my son is under the weather like we were distracted by things like, you know, what I can't focus on this. I watched enough to say I watched it on the hero. You didn't also have to be you didn't have to tell the truth about it. You just said you watch the game. All about the truth. But it seemed like it's isn't it. On your way to be hurtful about that. It was not the it was not the best way. Hey, nice to meet you watch your show. Couldn't take his whole six. Your work. I didn't take it personally. But I encourage you to watch the entire episode tonight. I think it's worth it. Okay. You send me a message tomorrow telling me whether or not you probably won't be tomorrow. But I get you getting. Yeah. My hope. Elsewhere. It's over there on the program. Our our fringe, Steve Hollander. Well, that's right. Yeah. You told me that Stephen stage manner because busy she used to the nicest human being in his busy because he's the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was he was moonlighting over the Sarah show. Well on the he was the model for the during the break. Yup. Yeah. So he came to us through his plunk. Oh, who's our director who you probably have also worked with lose be over Jay Leno s and her husband used to work at Conan. And that was really weird feels as well. Her husband is Jack over there. Yeah. Jim, jim. But Jack on Jim I worked with jacket the Rosie O'Donnell show years ago. So he they're all they're all famous to me, the various plunk is were you pleased. I know this is an off air conversation. Please tell Jack is at a low. Oh, well, that was one of my favorite go. When I started at in day. One jet was one of the kindest nicest welcomed me in and we would also bond over various other things various things when I was at Rosie we had a daycare for our children. So my young son was in the Rizzi daycare every day. So it was like like having like toddlers as part of the staff, so everybody on the staff knew all the babies and Jack was so kind to my little boy. And so nice and always said Hello and and played with them. And so when my son was little I would say, what do you want to be when you grow up, and he would say, I just wanna to be handsome like, Jack. Jax handsome. I was being I would win till you. Stop talking shockingly had some Ken, okay. Jack, Jack, poly fifty five now, maybe sixty even. But he's thinking movie-star books. Jack Gibb to get in front of the cairn either side of the kids. Right. Yeah. That's amazing. That you're so say that I told to be had like Jack because I would leave. I would to go. Look at Jack. And she also would wear like this leather jacket that like like nobody would wear a leather jacket in LA somehow Jack pulled it off. Of course, he's like handsome like I feel like you have to warn people. To me, his brilliant like watch out. Don't get lost in his eyes. Well, also, he's so nice. It's what does he who? Does. He look he looks like anybody does. She look like that's a great question who does jet look like just want to be able to picture just looks like a handsome never gonna meet them. That's for sure. No, no, my friend. I know you're not meeting Jack. I understand totally know the last thing you're going to meet Jack not taking away from me. You would hurt me though. But I said, please, please tell check is at a low. Yeah. You gotta look Russia showed you everyone. Does your kid does your restaurant, Jack? There's no to meet this kid listens to our show. Does that he knew this is the this is the old. His brother heard all about it. Now. So. That's right. Thanksgiving. We're yeah. We're cool. Are you going back to used for thanksgiving? Yeah. My older son's coming tomorrow. And then we're going to be here and have thanksgiving with friends here. That's wonderful. Yeah. Should be fun. We I think my kids are excited because we always had that thanksgiving where anyone was invited. So we would have like forty or fifty people in your house in Connecticut gas. Oh, my kids are my older son is so good at making batch cocktails, which is disturbing talent. Discover in a sixteen or seventeen year old, but they're excited not to have to cook in socialize with you know, so so many adults this year. So you're going somewhere. Yeah. We're just going to a friend's home, a friend. You might know. That's also off is it Jack. Door opens up happy thanksgiving. Jack, Jack, log right there at the door. Oh, my God handsome, Jack. You would love Jack on the job as a gay man Garin. You would love Jeff. I don't know. Why everything you've said, I'm Joe, I'm picturing, Kurt Russell. That's what I know. What it's not. It's it's not unlike maybe tennis, quite maybe. Yeah. No. What would you say? Casey. That's that. It's a really tough one. Gosh, I wonder if you put up a picture of if you put him if you Google lose on job. Go to check on Jeb dot com. I think we may have oversold this. But you have to know the fact that Casey me and her kids guy's handsome. We're not the kid disliked playing with them, by the way, Oliver also was like. It was mesmerized sounds like he's got charisma out the wazoo. Oh my God. Okay. Let me see him back. He's over here doing. Guy was talking about. I'm going to try to figure. Yeah. It's true. Doesn't really look like anybody's. That's not even a great picture. Total original. Zoom in on this jacket handsome. On that. I've never seen a better job in my tire life. They had to get every fire. The they got rid of the operator wants to Jack left. No, more Jack. No more no joke. No joke. He was excuse me privately owned, a semi truck owner, Jim. Well, it's fun to work with a husband and wife. I think is this. Yeah. I think it's fun. It's funny. But then you get here on the headset. Jack, she's yelling about the shots disease. So lovely to everyone. But it it's funny. And I always like, I am always like, oh, it's cute. Like when she tells them what to do. I like I like I like when the wife is the ball, sisters business, Krista. I worked with her at Rosie to crash present an Email chain that was on. I think I've met her a total of a one and a half times. Yeah. She was a producer at the resume Donald show when I was a young writer, and we went the first thing we ever did was go to the Texas State fair with Paula Poundstone together. And then you did nothing. But laugh, I would imagine. Oh, no, I don't I don't remember a great deal of it. I remember chilly. I remember there being a great importance on chilly there. Chewy? And I thought you meant from Chelsea handler. Very important. We must protect. He was not there that I know of. But big Tex that guy that burned down. He was there. I remember that the big lake the out of the Texas State fair gets in the big adventure. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But he like suffered a tragic end. Did they rebuilt him? So I don't know. This is not just does not do Jack any Justice. But looking at that picture what he looked like to me, a more handsome version of the NBC White House correspondent, I don't remember. That guy's name. Do you know who I'm talking about? I was hoping you would know injury Mitchell. But a more handsome. Jackson was out of former sentence helicopter, the guy, you know, you're Mitchell, by the way, I've told she's one of the greatest report of all time then great put her in the field. Why do I have to see her? She can't read prompter, and she can't former sentence. But, but I I'm told by many people using great reporter she puts their feet to the fire. Yes. So the get back to that at some point don't go walls and other our graduate to I don't have to do that. I think it is a very broadcast newsy thing where she graduated from that because it's not probably the most. If that's your skill set. Look, you don't you don't what? What? Carpeting? No, you know, that you you. You don't want to be on the road to any more than you are now I don't want to be on the road at. All right. Neither probably probably I like purply took all the vows out about just. Oh. Matt is it major Garrett? That doesn't sound right. But maybe which never could you say it was I thought it was I thought he was on NBC. I'm getting a neighbourhood alert for my ring kids starting fires. Oh, dear. These two kids have set a fire. My front lawn today to do rake. Respond for Rick that lawn lawn. That's from your doorbell told you. Yeah. Ring re rings got a neighborhood alerting mixed door. Our next door said that there was a raccoon with bleeding eyes. Oh god. I don't know. It seems like Permian seems terrible. Terrible. Seems terrible. Nothing. Good ever happens. You don't hear about anything? Good on next door number like as stranger left me a fruit basket. Yeah. Yeah. But my husband decided for like a week. He went he decided he was going to go to everything that you get invited to you on next door the weird things he went to thing where like if you brought a photo of your pet. They'll like help you try to psychically get in touch with your pet, and then he went to like like a witchcraft wearing shop of place in like a plus size women store, and yeah, he had a it was a fun idea. I didn't know next door had that I've never used it. Yeah. He just was like there's all this weird stuff. And then he was like laughing about it and showing it to me. And then he was like that's kind of mean, it's gotta dick just to laugh about it. Right. Like, I should go. See he was making amends by. No. He just was like, I think like sometimes our our instinct is to like L O L at something that seems ridiculous. But then he went to them. And he was like actually it just has like a lot of the same principles as like religion. And you know, other weird things that aren't for me, but not necessarily like not as insane. As it initially sounded does your husband had the handlebar moustache. He doesn't. He does. Not. What does he are you comfortable talking about? Yeah. Yeah. My husband is he's an award winning short story writer, but he also is manager of trader Joe's at USC. Oh, cool. I've learned from the Fox News that people that work at trader Joe's are losers. Try this number for the kid from kids man that guy that played the the Sandra's husband on my Cosby show. Jeffrey. Yeah. When he yeah. That's like similar, you know, same kind of thing. Like somebody was like, oh, let me take this guy's picture because he's like enemy. We weren't in a dissimilar situation. Like, my husband went to work at trader Joe's. So we had steady health insurance us, you know, and also because he was an adjunct college. Professor and trader Joe's pays we better in his way, more study work than than that kind of thing. Once you get he's at a new one on the USC campus. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like actually in the ground floor of a dormitory, which is pretty cool. And it's he also worked at trader Joe's in Connecticut. So yes, so it's interesting because it's like a totally different type of clientele. If at store a lot of students a lot of international customers. So it's interesting, and it doesn't he still writes a ton. So I think at like kind of perpetuates, you know. Yeah. That's a great place to be does. He have an inside track on jingle jangle. All I was thinking about the entire time were talking so much single jangle going around does really he he brings me home this lake. Ricotta lemon. Ricotta cheese is seasonal and it's so good, and I really have different bite. My instinct, not to like take advantage of the fact that he has access to it. I don't think you. Trek jingles clear. It's not just math question. So do you watch Riverdale? I don't but I've heard. Yeah. That's why I've got hard to get. Yeah. Yeah. That there's like on the show Riverdale. There's a drug in Riverdale called jingle. Oh, and I always wonder I always want to know did they name it for foot? So was last Christmas. The first time that happened that it was harder to get real hard to get up until last Christmas. I feels like that's true. Yeah. And I think I last Christmas you remember, do you gave me your heart? Yeah. Gave it away. Yeah. This year to save it from its out. Now, though if you can. Okay. I was there on Friday at a and see it. But I'll check took a gator about my Spurs. There's your Spurs, right? No. Thank you. Let me circle back real quick Elliott that the major carrot was not the guy was thinking. Okay. Sorry. Is it Peter Alex either yet that sounds right? Hold on. I like Peter Alexander. He kind of looks like I shouldn't know, by the way. But why do I knew every God damn news pundit? Well, talking face. I I'm gonna I'm gonna flip that on your Jimmy. I think the reason why we have Trump as a president is because a lot of us don't know those names because because we we should be paying attention. So I'm I'm I feel guilty. I'm going to cause a scared white people is why we have tro. Sure. But what why are they said it's because they're because they're ignorant and Ilan educated whites there. I've said it if I lose listeners, so be it. We already lost. Eighteen months. I think he's mature speaker that though like Orange County defected at blue in revolt and other areas of the country did not, and maybe this is a too big of a sweeping statement uneducated whites are still scared. And that's what's happening. What do you? Bangs. Voter suppression gerrymandering, you know, people moderating their own elections for some offices. It's it's a lot. It's a lot seems like maybe maybe scrap it scrap elections. Yeah. Yeah. We do it after twenty twenty do one more at least. Yep. Then scrap it just to see what you see the other day when he was like he like reassured people that he wasn't going to change the constitution to run a third time. And I was like. I don't mind that reassuring. He's like trying to prime the pump. Yeah. Do you like let me see how worked up people yet about this? And I might try to do it. Well, my fears. It goes from him to to his daughter to his son to his son to his gray. Like it just never. And again, these dumb people could go. Yeah. Yeah. Having more likely it'll be someone as bad or worse than him. But like they're worse because they're a little bit smarter. And like better at being evil like I the opportunity that. Yeah. Strata? He's opened the door for a lot of bad actors. I mean, like the Stephen Baldwin's of the world. Coming in Washington is ugly. Yeah. I think about that often. I don't know why just. Purge which which was believed Daniel Baldwin was stunned. The purge this TV series. I don't know. Which would you wanna talk about two long Garin the purse Steve users was ten episodes could have been a nice tight four. Oh. Oh, no, no watch for for fun. Garner. Are you watching the hunting of hill house on? I've watched a couple of us odes. I've heard it's insanely scary. It is great. It's just. It's heavy. Nick. Yeah. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just if you think like a horror TV series, you kind of automatically think. Well, it's just gonna be can't be fun. This is heavy drama with scares which this new Hulu horror series. Or is it Netflix? Where maybe it's a different story every week different stores. There's a bunch of those channels zero. No, it's supposed to be great. You another one. Is it started? I already talking about the. Yeah. I don't think that's a start. Yeah. I think that's on Netflix. With the pigs in the poster. What's that? No. That's told me a story. Oh, that's what I was thinking of that's something else. But that's not into the dark into the dark. I was right. I got it. Right. Yeah. Oh, it did start October fifth on Hulu. What is this? Or what you Sabrina, which is actually really good people. Raymond. You're watching that as well. Okay. Yeah. I watched some of the hunting of hill house, and it's so good. But it is it's like. Weirdly, triggering don't make fun of me. But like there's so much like family drama that I'm like that. That's scary enough. I understand like Ed people jumping out. I saw the trailer. And was like, I don't think I can handle this people can binge it. I was binging it. And then I had to take a break. I think I'll go back and watch it in a sensible frame. Yeah. But it's a lot. It's a lot. I don't know. At least it was the one who wanted to watch it. And I was like she doesn't like scary stuff. But she was like I've heard this really good. And I'm like, I don't think either of us can handle those. Yeah. It's not a Bill nuptial agree. I agree. I agree. I agree on one second commercial. I saw. Yeah. And you guys were. So nobody's watched the Elton John commercially it that I've I want you guys to watch and Garin. It's great. Yeah. Have you seen? It haven't seen that. It's I forget what the product. We. We didn't we ever found out. Whether it was I think it's like, you know, an England they'll just make things for Christmas. And there's no point to it. This is like it's Christmas. Here's a commercial or a song. And like, I know Christmas songs are common thing. But that seems to be more emphasis on it. Their Love's Chris of it. So. So am I call him Father Christmas over Christmas? They love it. So is it just like a sponsored music video or it is. Do you like it's a law firm? It's like Shakoor been in learn larceny or something like that. It's bizarre. It starts with Elton John modern day at the piano goes backwards through his life. And it ends with his mother giving him his piano, his first PNO. And it. Really? It's really well done. I'm getting emotional watching you get emotional. But I also like the idea that that's a very UN not American idea that like we can just be a law firm until you this nice story say our name at the end there. UK department store chain. Gosh. Yeah. So they're like a works. Yeah. We don't need to like sell you on our department store. We'll just tell you a nice story. And then you'll have pleasant feelings about us. Yeah. No. That makes sense. I am surprised that doesn't happen here. Because. To the seventies and eighties. They would would be you wake up and JC Penney. Sears would have nice commercials. Like that where it wasn't right? It'd be their kids coming down the stairs. And they look at Sears. Who would now? Shop fox. This is an event. It's it's almost like the the fact that it's four brand is secondary to the fact that we're like we're debut in our big. Yeah, thing it's like a short film almost the way you're describing it. I haven't seen not interested should watch. It. Well, sit down with some hot cocoa tonight. Let's not convenient through the family around children. Come watch the Elton John Christmas commercial. Oh, it's John Lewis and partners Christmas, Ed. So that's why I was like. Yeah. Weird. But they somehow manage to make the guy playing young John look older than Elton. John is now as they go back in time. And I was like this is weird part of this deal. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you guys still have to look better. These guys. You don't mental John twice. Very nice, man. I met him one time. I twice I said. I know, but I'm just saying I met him to half as many times and to that goes probably it was fine. He asked for a diet coke, and I gave it to him which is the David Letterman program. Yeah. We did this show in London. And he was one of our guests. Remember, I can't remember are still standing I was very focused on David dukov ni coming. Exactly. Yeah. He is. Yeah. So I it was something. It was something good. I'll look at it. I wanna know if you were the I went to watch a in two thousand what year did I watch. UBS two thousand and two is when I went to watch a live David Letterman taping I wasn't there. I was only there from nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six and then I was at the radio Donald show until two thousand to you there. What barber? Janette barber in damone Iowa. Ninety. Wow. She was the headliner. Wow. Todd. Something was the feature. I was the c-. Oh my God. That's the next thing. I saw that Barbara was writing on Rosie O'Donnell. She was our head writer. He's been told. Yeah. Chew story Janette barber. She was great. I loved working with her because she just didn't have any ego. She was like I was a kid. I was twenty three twenty four years old. I think when I got to writer there, and the fact that she had already had this whole other comedy career and wasn't like your kid. And you have to do what I say she'd be like your kid, and I'm listening to what you're saying. And she was a yelled at her a lot. I think you yoga because it was a live show at ten in the morning. And so she would I was a writer, and so we would go in and pitch really early to Rosie early in the morning. And then she said yes to this no to this. And then you'd have to run like really run and go, right? It up run run run. And so I would always be. Be at my desk. Like trying to write up whatever pitch. She had approved and Ginette would be like standing behind me because it needed to go to the teleprompter in like seconds, or whatever. And I'd always be like. And then I may I remember making a piece of I put a piece of tape on the floor and said that she couldn't. And she was so nice. She was like I'm not over the tape. I'm just waiting for handoff for whatever. But so. Yeah. So every morning I'd be like, please. So being behind me. It's too much. It's a lot. Yeah. So what Barbour? Yeah. But she was great. She was amazing. And like just a really lovely interesting person. I learned a ton from her health issues of mistaken. Yes, she had a lot of health issues. But have you like caught up with our lately, she's like a world traveler, and she talked about people that look younger than Elton John. She looks amazing. Really? Yes. She looks at mazing. And she's like every time I check in on her. She's in Italy or France or wherever just having the time of her life. I have not seen her since nineteen eighty nine. I want to say, I will also tell her you go who maybe she'll remember maybe she remembers that would be a an amazing. I've no it in that sense. An amazing things buke Whitson says well, be fashioned. She has a good memory though. Yes. Far as memorable? I guess I was painfully unfunny. That's my guess. Some recent guests who worked with early in your career who did not remember you. My Paula Poundstone. And there was a guy who won who was Steve Louis needs to boost you knew it worked with him twice total of fourteen days. Couldn't remember me. It'll offer. I he won't care. If I tell the story, but I just this show that I worked on before. I went to work on busy was watch. What happens live with Andy Cohen? I was there for nine years and she's been out for nine years. Yeah. And early on in the show. It was like I think like eight weeks, and and and he was always making a joke about like you have a weird name. I can't remember your name just like making up nicknames for me and early in the show like eight weeks, and he was like, you know, all jokes aside. I know it's only been a couple of months, but I feel like we've known each other for much longer. And I was like well we've worked together before. And he was like really went. I was just like I mean, I think people just don't, you know, they just. If you if you didn't make an impression on someone. I don't think it was your fault. Interesting like your positives. To make yourself feel better than Andy Cohen doesn't know who you are. What's it's the thing is Jimmy you're a memorable person I've gone through my life having to accept that. I'm not a memorable person. So I go into every situation just assuming people don't remember me because I'm like, I I'm a generic looking white guy. I don't stand out. I'm sort of introverted. So the same. I always let people off the hook like preemptively introducing myself and then enjoying them link. Of course, I remember you, of course, you're like, you're lying, but. Thank you guys circle. Back to Rosie. I can only if you promise to never used the phrase circle. Twice in one show. Well, there's a lot of circling. It has to be done. I don't want to. You want to go back to the Rosie show this cancelled away something happen on that show. Once when I was watching it, and it's it's weird how certain little things happen. And then like you never I've I've thought about it. Probably I think about every time I hear the song closing time, particularly. But I also think about it other times. Mel Gibson was the guest. Uh-huh. And he came out, and like, I don't really know what was happening before this. But he just kind of started. And I think he did this a lot. I guess, but it was the moment that I was like, oh, he's not cool anymore. Like, I don't like him. He's not he's now he's like because he just started like trying to it was like he was trying to do stand up. But he was like what's with closing time. That's on the radio all the time like routine at it seemed very much like he was like, I'm gonna do some comedy. And it was thinking totally bombing. And it was so uncomfortable for me that I can never forget it like I cannot on heard like so anyway, do you remember that at all? I mean, I've had more uncomfortable moments. So I guess talk about not remember. Things, but you know, bury them. Yeah. I mean, a lot of a lot of uncomfortable moments on that show, which was live. I particularly remember Tom Selleck and Rizzi getting into over the NRA famous super famous. I kind of remember that you know, Rosie wasn't. She wasn't. She was never not out as as a gay woman. But also, I don't think had really said as much at at, you know, for a so a lot of times a lot of these like super conservative guests would come on. And and I would always feel for her because I always would be like, this is live television. Like, if someone chose to like, just say, something or whatever, you know. So I'm probably I that's probably what I was focused on at the time. Like what his Mel Gibson like decides to lake so it could have been worse is what you're saying. Yeah. You know, I mean, we'll prince was prince was aghast a couple of times on the show. He wasn't super conservative. But he was just. An Matic and like would make anyone nervous. And so I was dying of nervousness like house. It's gonna go because he's like weird and not a great interview. And and so I was so nervous because I just wanted it to go well for myself. So that I could keep loving him the same way. And also, you know, like I was at Letterman when like Madonna said fuck thirteen times. And I just like watched that like slow motion train wreck. And you know, in in a weird way. So the the things that like stick in my mind or yeah. Are are probably not that. But I mean, this is because I happened to catch this probably, but it was like such an odd thing because he that guy Mel Gibson. Did he seem like he'd been drinking in retrospect, possibly, which is you know, the morning. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was more like younger people don't remember that. Mel Gibson was cool for most for the eighties nineties. And so to see him be like an old like kind of a kind of like an old dad who's just kind of out of it. And just kind of like just. Yeah. Just being kind of lame. I was like oh God. Live. And there's nothing you could do that. That's probably I didn't realize that show is live. That was probably those probably part of it. It was like maybe I'd never seen him. Maybe everything else. I was like heavily massage. Yeah. I mean, it was live. So Lord knows like a lot of weird things happened on the show, including. Yeah. Just like getting into a huge thing with Thompson told never forget. Yeah. But also like, you know, that's we're that's where I was on nine eleven with the cast of everybody loves, Raymond. You know? I mean, like when we were like are like we didn't know what it was. And like are we going to go on the air? We're not gonna go on the air. And I remember Peter Boyle being like, I'm not gonna go on the air. I was like, yeah. I think I'm not gonna do this show either. So, you know, live TV and thirty rock, you know, it's kind of and was again to the show cancelled that do the canceled forever. No, no. It was really weird. It was like the like are some executive was like go back to your desk. We're going to tell everybody what to do. And I was like my kids in the daycare. I'm gonna go get my kid. And so I went to go get my kid. And then Rosie's driver came in found me and was like Rosie wants you to meet her downstairs. She wants you to go to her house with her. And it was like, okay. And so I was kind of like that just seemed weird nice, but like unusual, and so I got in the car, and then she joined us in the car with one of her kids was with her. And she was like, you're not going to be able to get home to Brooklyn. So I'm just going to take you to my house, and she was like, plus, I don't want us freaking out because I know you're pregnant, and I was like how did you know that I'm pregnant and she was like well because you drink click dyke coke exclusively. And you haven't been drinking it for the past couple of weeks. So I was like, oh, she might be like a little bit of a magical witch or something. Yeah. That's what happened. That's my story. What is this? What happened? I remember a couple years ago, we had the TV special preempted a lot of other stuff. That was all I remember is. I was looking forward to an in depth conversation with the tire cast. Everybody's raymond. And I did not get it. I know you didn't get at. It was a bummer that morning is it not that day the terrorists one they did win. I didn't get to hear Brad GARRETT'S take on something. What did he get hurt? Joel gigolo Jimmy home. Good guy. I like. Yeah. I have not seen one second of that new show single parents, but any commercial I get a kick out of bread. Veniamin heard of it. That's how. Terron? What's his name? Taryn callum. Speaking of Senator live we've been raving about the last couple of weeks. Did anybody see Saturdays? I did. I didn't see it. But I read about it. What's up those kind of kind of amiss zero. I like not even a problem. Like I because it has ambit- over and over again ish. What do they keep doing this? That's it's so lazy to those like rap song video things like to stop doing it. Do you do it? Maybe last week was great. Yeah. It was. But like, it's it just feels like a crutch at this point. But they keep going back to it. But the the thing was Steve Carell is one of the funniest people ever. And so like, you think oh they've had a string of good episodes. Here comes guy we're going to the open it his his monologue was pretty good. I thought that was funny. I liked when he's like all right everybody come up here member. He's like, oh, not you maybe laugh. Yeah. There was a couple of the one at the near the end made me laugh a lot which one not the not the no the one that he's talking about does that the one I never. Went back and researched. But did something go wrong. It seemed like they had to bail that gun fell on the floor. And it seemed like they had to bail on some major part of dislike find a way out that happened twice. Didn't it? Didn't somebody's flow line in one of the other sketches? And they're like, yeah. Whatever. Yeah. I don't know if I caught that one. But yeah, I think there were two scotches that I liked the roster like whatever, I agree. I I feel like I got a candies. Remember when they were pull up Melissa sketches. And we'll do this right now. I son. To watch it. Yeah. I had a Steve Carell. It's going to be great. Now. Did he find any humor in? Or did you it was over? And he and he was like it goes that was really disappointing. I was offered this episode. Oh, that's the thing. You get your hopes up because he loves the office. I love soup girl, and I was excited to and and I just didn't take anything was funny at all. And that oh my God. That thing with Mikey day in the news just it may still be going on. Wait. What does he of the the the the sasquatch? There's Senator the SaaS sasquatch. I mean, one of the really good. Your son knuckle knowing that. He's eleven years old. I always I just think it's like Saturday live like, you you love it the most from when you were fourteen or fifteen you know, and it can never grew. It can never be matched again. Even if it's good. It's like not he'll look back on these years when he's older and think this is the best Saturday Night Live ever episode. She watches the classics in the enjoyed like he watched John Hamm second episode. Yeah. Over the weekend, we enjoyed that. What was your favorite SNL era? You know, I was in early. And so for years, I would tell you the original cast in retrospect that was swinging amiss. I then I started stand up. So I kind of wasn't in the world anymore. So, but I think if I look back at the Phil Hartmann, yours probably were great. The the Martin short years. Maybe those over. I don't know obviously, the Terry Sweeney years. I think the new cast is great. I think up until this episode. I think that this year has been terrific Reading's been really good. Yeah. It's almost like they didn't think to do that this week. What's your favorite fence? Yeah. Phil hartmann. I love. I love Phil Hartmann so much, and yeah, I I mean, it's funny. How people call it that I say that all the time to at the time. No one would have called it the Phil Hartmann era, then they would've called it. The Dana Carvey arrow who the key wasn't the star. But he was the best thing in almost every facilitating so much funny in that show. And I also really love the weird like one off years when people that probably shouldn't have been in the cast were in the cast their Silverman. Gene. Chris rock, I love. I love Michael Anthony or Anthony, Michael hall and rubber dungeon. Yeah. Robert. Yeah. I mean, it's I I like those. Risky choices. And yeah, I've loved Janine on SNL. I am the one. I don't remember her. I remember that she was on it. I and I watched every episode. I don't remember what she did though. Do you remember like sketches, I? I know she must have done. Yeah. He says, right? Seems like that's how they would've used her. Yeah. And like not digital shorts. But like tape, I don't know. I just love Janine also Julia Sweeney, and Jan hooks might what my wife loves those to lift Jan hooks. I love Julius media so much. I just think she's like she should be a billion times more famous than she is. She's amazing and inspiring. But yeah, all those all these like cool, ladies that didn't really get to do so much because that wasn't the thing then, but yeah. But I just have a theory that like you just love it best. Whatever happened when you were fourteen. I'm that way with SETV is like, yeah, I was like fourteen or whatever nights watching that. And that was twelve or thirteen and so I remember that being much better than it is right, right? And boy there's a lot of downtime on that like Oliver. We gotta watch the sketch and I watched like Google blue. For thirty years. I've been raving about this sketch. It's nothing it's everything's like that like I went back in, you know, everything you try to go back and show your kids. Like, I remember being like, oh, let's watch this movie. The bad news bears that I watched when I was a kid, and I was just like no slow motion trying. This is not good. It doesn't hold up starry bears. No, not for me. I mean, I think in a lot of ways. But I just think it's like not there's so many things about it that are genuinely terrible that you it's problematic so problematic that it's just like leads you down. All these like roads that you don't need to go down. You know? Well, I feel like my favorite movie of all time was trading places, and that's pretty relevant. Yeah. Yeah. But I just yeah. It's frozen in time for me is like this sort of perfect comedy movie. That's such a wealth. The plot is so. Titan. Perfect. And then just two guys being. So you might say Denver is not not the greatest. But I'd Eddie Murphy doing the greatest. Almost every movie. He's in Janis is great in that movie. And Jamie Lee Curtis was great in it. And Denholm Elliott is great in it. Everyone's great. It's kind of wild. It's almost like someone should write a paper or write a book about like what is safe from like are growing up too. I remember my son calling me he was like, it's, you know, staying at my mom's house, and like text me like I'm gonna watch revenge of the nerds. And I was like, okay. You know? And then he was like like he called and was like, do you have a minute to talk it. He was disturbed really stream. And he was like to Jere. You just went and watched this. This was okay. And I'm like, yeah. That was like pretty normal that like, yeah. The. He was like a rate though that. Yeah, that's victory. Yeah. That's like. Yeah. The nerd guys win they got to rape believe. He and my son was like, I'm genuinely sick to my stomach, and I'm so upset that I watched this. And I was just like, well, I guess. Yeah. That you can see why we're all kinda fucked up. And the fact that you're sick to your stomach. I guess gives me a little hope for the future or man up. How about that the other way? The other way focus in kid focus in on. Yeah. I mean, listen great rap song though. It wasn't good. Something is a good. Yeah. Yeah. We watched the blues brothers over the weekend. And the first viewing for all of our for ES in anything. I'm sorry dead. Just don't I don't. I don't see it the way you do. Oh, yeah. I felt that when you guys didn't let clue. Oh, you're wrong. Here we go. Funding. Moving not one Casey, not one you've pushed my buttons. Now, this this isn't the medicine talking any more. I think this is like, you know, it's, you know, men are from Mars. He loves it in women are from well from clue. I don't know. It was funny to me. But then again, I was like probably ten when I saw it. Okay. Then they allow it. That's the thing. I somehow didn't see it as a kid. And now, I still haven't seen it. But my wife loves it. I I know a lot of people who love it. What did you like when you were a kid that does hold up like I still think Johnny dangerously is so much movies? Mommy. Do you think? It's funny. Yes thing I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I loved it as a kid. I surprised if you're telling me to hold up. I would be surprised to hear that I've ever seen that. That's Michael Keaton. Right. Yeah. Right. I wonder if I don't I'm like, well, whatever it is is I guess that would be my guess is how you would would view it. I do seen originally. What's that died? Johnny dangerous and they've been years, but you have you seen it recently? Yeah. Every watched okay? Within the last decade enjoyed it. You laughed. I still laughed. I'm sure it is probably also problematic. I think like airplane. I bet holds up. I feel like that watch that with Oliver. We loved it. I feel like it's a secret gun did not hold up. Yeah. That's interesting police academy. I doubt that I loved it. I remember my dad took me to it. That's when you were talking about ruins the nurse. I thought about that movie because it's not really it's kind of inappropriate there's blowjob jokes and stuff. And so. Everything. Ten. It's crazy. What we're our parents. Do. We don't know. I watched trading places. There's boobs in it. And I watched it when I was eleven so when when prince died other than like like, my really close friends being like, are you? Okay. Like like, sincerely, okay? But I was amazed at how many people in sort of my peer group had the same story about like when purple rain came out, all of our dads like took us to see it on a visitation. Everyone's parents were divorced in nineteen eighty four and all of our dads were like, you know, trying to be cool dad's into Z, purple rain. And it's so inappropriate. So that's like my enduring memory of like, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. Even though don't ask me about not liking, purple rain. I know your comments already. But I just remember being like, oh my God. Like, I just wanted to unzip my skin and. I do think that's an important right of passage to be super uncomfortable. Watching something with your parents like I'd rather that than they just see it on their own like I want my kids to be like, look good. Look at. But I don't even think my kids are old enough to feel that way about something like the. What was there was a sketch on? In the but it was show me your titties. What what what would it have been couldn't be SNL? No, no. I do. I think it was. It was like a Pete Davidson think or something. And and I was like oh bully. And then I go do you know, what that word means? All because I don't okay, we're good. All right. Cool. Good. We'll get watching. They've been kicking up the language on SNL lately. Like, they're dropping some Jesus Christ as God dams. All right. And you as a religious man, you don't care for obviously. I know you're cloth. Suns put on the Tim and Eric movie in front of my mom, and they like it's like how many years ago did that come out? They still can't get over it. Like, they they even just it's one of those things like just the memory of having done it and until like sit through with their grandmother. It's a weird. Oh that movie. It's. It's it wasn't great race. There's still trying to manage their feelings over the day that happen. All right. Let's take another break. Now euro canton. I'm good. All right. Well, they there. I remember. Are there? I remember. Hey, guys, Matt here with some dates for you Casey Saint on just on Twitter at Casey, that's C A I S S I E and the show that she is the executive producer of is called the busy tonight. And it's on E Sunday through Wednesday. Check, it out busy Phillips is awesome. And you should watch your show and Casey's awesome to Jimmy Carter. 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And so now, they're they're at the as we speak weren't they go for three days. They wind up to the air fucking business. Clear that Cam. Oh, it's nice. Yeah. I mean, there's a little bit of smoke from the paradise virus? But is. The big middle finger camp flag. Yeah. So he's the Reagan. I hope he's all right. Thank you. Casey. I he is obviously we'll be like did he get bit by zombie was that if only guess anything I'm going to say some sort of food related virus the practices that he told me about didn't seem all that hygenic. Discussed food practices that they were handling the food. That's that's the part of has a lot of food handling talking. Did you have the talk? Yes. Yes. Glad I could be crop for you guys cook birds and the bees. Abuse. Talk about the cook. News. The flow cases on jobs are is not the case that you're in your maiden name. Or is it your married name? Is it a made up name a lot of people think it's made up. I think Tina Fey made a joke that it's a made up name. But it's just my name that I just got when I was a little baby. So your parents are Mr. MRs Saint on. They were it's very DJ. It's a very DJ name. It's very DJ name re radio deejays. I was gonna say. Cases it onto the board. I drop in the beat on the on time. Yeah. So that's my railing. Right. Don't wear it out. Yard. You have actually spent a lot of time on it. I think it's a great show. Andy Cohen says you couldn't remember your name. I find that to be insane. Because it's I will never forget. That's nice. I feel like I feel like people either. Really remember it and use the full name or people like the neighbors that I lived across the street from my whole life growing up never said my correct name ones. What would they say Kelly Tracy lacy? Really? Yeah. Wow. You know? Invested at all. We're really weren't. But also, you don't like them either. Yeah. I mean, it's fine. I've not kept in touch. You know, we certainly have not got the growth either. So she's very very well. All right. Let's check in back there with the captain. Kevin clunk Elliott Hct doll. I I'm all right. Matt alluded to and I'm going to I'm going to, you know, air it out because I figured out what's going on. Thank you for not actually at the moment. When I was having my little fit earlier telling me, what happened apparently in fixing Twenty-three n I uploaded it into the twenty three fourteen slot and didn't realize that. And then Matt very helpfully pointed to our backup link which I then switched back to the wrong link then Matt fixed it again. And that was the thing. He didn't mention that was I appreciate your wisdom. That's right. Because you came in here, you melt it down. Well, I thought I was fine. And then I realized that I got the wrong time because this was the day that we were supposed to be here earlier. And I was it's correct. Finding out that you were late when you actually thought you were early or on time was the straw. Like it was like the. Yeah. Like, not even not really fuck shooting me and you like slam your keys on the Niger. Guide to do that. When I when I came in. I was like, hey, you know, what? Because I I I didn't take a full shower. So that I would make sure I'd have enough time to do the stuff. Shower. Horseback. What I what I normally do is. I will take a long shower like a ten minute shower, and I will condition my hair, and I will brush it and all these I didn't do that. I just ran water over me and used the bar soap. Yeah. Yeah. So you took a shower I took regular shower. Not what I would call a full out of Hollywood shower. Sure, that's the cut. That's what they call it. In the navy shower. Oh, I take a long shower do appropriate. Appropr- up ten minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not quite I know I like it one ten minutes along shower that. Fills nor time then you need to check of way. You gotta get done in there. But what are you doing in there? Well, you got to like shave your legs if you're a lady pits. If you're a lady, I do this like I have a face scrubber, that's timed like ninety seconds. Yeah. So I don't think I'm taking much more than a ten minute shower, which is weird because a bunch of guys are like taking a ten minute shower. Do you wash your legs? That's I just stand there. Run over me. He remembers his time you listen to music. I don't do. You just think your thoughts? I do. Sometimes I sing in high school. I would always listen to music in the shower. Very important now Oliver does he listens to music, but I I don't out. Do you need a chair in there? Chair in there. That'll be the day. You have to get one of those like special Bill chairs. Yes. Stool type three puts surgical. You want any one of those where you have to open the door. It was like a sports car. One of those too. What I wanted to open up like a wing oriented Orientale. Awesome through a true nerd also want e if and I'll have to buy a new house to do this. I want one of those electric chairs at least we have the scares. As we have the scares. Even the commercial looks like God just walk it by the time. This thing gets you up there. You could have crawled up those fucking stairs. I wanna combine that with a spiral staircase that seems like it'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah. Some great ideas different shark tank. Shark tank is back. You know that right? I saw a little bit of it last night. We got do new shark whose new this is interesting. I first time ever a previous guy who walked into the room as a guy is now a shark. He turned them down because in the room and ended up being the guy who invented ring the ring doorbell. Oh, George tank and remember that and he didn't like their deals, which is smart. I think most of the time you should not take their. They're not good deals. Right. But he made it a work sold it to Amazon for a billion dollars. So that company for a billion dollars? And now he's back as a shark, and I thought that was cool. What he replaced Damon Damon saw there? We'll play just rotate. Who was he's filling in for. I don't know. I don't was on that one. I think it was Boston wonderful Novus wonder what was there? He was he was missing from one recently, Mr. wonderful, then Cuban was in that middle seat. No interesting. It back to the end Cuban Cuban. I don't like you run on the show may also have the basketball player. Charles barclays. I enjoyed him. He was good. He was I know what he's smart he's smarter than I would have guessed. He would be based on what I've seen is. You're racist. Based on Kanaan's impression of him. Savell? You know, what bothers me about that episode is at the editor's left. This in Mr. wonderful turns to Charles Berkeley and goes. You really funny, dude. And he does it in such a condescending way you're the arbiter of comedy you win bag. Also like he's been known to be right for twenty years saving. Oliver was like wow says. Yeah. Like, he's won Emmys for be for the post game show on TNT where their whole thing is that they're funny L. Yeah. Yeah. But Mr. wonderful, so annoying. I don't know if you're aware ridiculous. It's like when your buddy to fade till Jon Hamm. He was funny. He's been hearing it for years for me. Wow. Vegas all the credit? I well your body. That's your buddy your, buddy. She she. She's my boss. But John him is so funny and best hugger in the United States of America. I'd have to hug him like one time ten years ago. And I'm still thinking about it. Yeah. You know, better than John ham hill, Jack. Hans a good hugger because you got to you you ever. She get Gibb you have to have strong upper body. You don't think Jack has that that word sounds Gibb? Yeah. It just sounds. The cut of it. For some reason to beat that your that's your Michigan bring it. Maybe it could very well be years of of history courts that whatever you put in your hair is sinking in your brain. Skin, guys. Well, thank you. I want it all that color. I I don't I like this part. There's two strips here. It didn't take don't like those each bleach. We did not take. So it didn't again, you have a hair style is on retainer. I think you know, what I'm retainer means. What did he is sitting this for humor? I know. And I was saying why are you are you clunking it up in front of Casey. I don't know you be the judge of that. You are. The judges have spoken. I believed my hair as well. And sometimes it just doesn't take the color out of your hair. I don't know didn't lift this round didn't lift spots. Like you need to go with like a stronger developer, maybe next time. But you have to be careful because that shit will melt your head off. What about your head off your like your skill? It will really intrigue you for real most. Careful, you know, at least Bleacher do not. Do not because of that. And she has very sensitive skin and her whole like her scalp was very red afterwards. It was it was that during the late nineties when when everyone's doing that. Yes. Exactly. What does she go? And Pat did that as well. Both showed up to a party with their hair. Mhm? Bleached that I panic or is this something I should do as well went and sat down at Dino's. Like, you don't want. I think you're right. Okay. You're you're you perform on stages. You can't sodas might have an entertainer. Yeah. But also, your persona doesn't really fit about by the way walking mess for that reason is not the greatest tore name because of that. I don't know if it's fits this onstage persona. We're trying to name his tour next year. And we thought walking mess. It would be funny. I think it's perfect. Doc and mess. I think it's, but I don't I don't know. The I don't think that's accurate for the stand up persona. I guess if you don't know Jimmy at all Ann Lewis. It's a little. Good for the different. If you do another never funny tour, then enough walking mess to Woodward. But he's not walking how many years, but he doesn't. He doesn't own it. Like I do. I have to my buddies breaking down. Tiny slowly breaking down. What musical comes up on the show a lot guys. That sounds like you're doing your. Making down les? Mis no veto Sunday's tavita. See that's the thing. I knew it was from your character does not many. You were doing your mandate by Bob gutten, Jonathan Pryce, depending if you're talking broker case for the motion picture kid. You don't like Evita. That's what I just saw. It recently at the Westport playhouse in Connecticut. It was fine. There's really no it was great award winning writer nonsense. It was fine. I would imagine you have some sort of daytime EMMY. Did you work for Nancy Leshner over? Donald not only did we work together. We lived in the same building. So we took a taxicab to and from good day for so many years. Yeah. The first time that my first day at Rizzi this guy kept coming up to me. And was like you look so familiar to me, I think I know you from somewhere, and I was like, oh, no. And then he was like I got it in my building one night. I saw you in the elevator and you had a Letterman like late show with David Letterman jacket on. And I was like, hey, do you work for Dave Letterman, and you were so rude to me. I was like I don't I don't have any memory of this. And he was like it was like four thirty in the morning. And Hubert drunk. I was like Amitai you're gonna probably attack me. How about probably that's I've tried to get off the elevator ever conversation with you. But we were great friends. He's a wonderful, man. Yeah. Yeah. He's a sweet guy one of my favorite things about him. What made me decide that? I loved him so much is that one time we came home to our apartment building her apartment building was on fire and his wife was like hysterical because their dog was in the their apartment. It was like a high-rise building. So it wasn't like, you know. But he I just remember him. Like somehow talking the firefighters until like letting him run up to like really twenty-something floors dog or whatever. And I just remember him like running up and like coming back surprisingly fast, but their dog, and then we just had a conversation about how he was a marathoner, and whatever, but I just thought that that was sweet that he risked his life to get his wife's dog, we think it's. Think it's mispronounced the word stupid. Also stupid. But sweet. Wow. Yeah. I would they allow them do that. I don't know because it's like New York City. They don't give a shit, you know, like where we're nowhere near. Yeah. It was like I think just probably wasn't that huge of an issue. Everything catches on fire like twice a week in New York City, thirty dot com. Fire every week when there is up Conan's studio burned down we have to all work at Starbucks one time, Andy I was with Andy Lasser, we came out of thirty rock, and we were like something smells delicious. What is that in the security guards at TGI Fridays? Exploded. But that would smoke is. Like fridays. We go there on a regular basis family and not go to the Magic's one we go to magic. Yeah. So anymore. Okay. Zoe is obsessed with that place. And I don't know why she's never been there. But she's like, oh, can we there's no there's not one nearest at all. You know, what the the menu has everything one of those and most of the stuff pretty good nachos. They're phenomenal. No nice to love when I lived in Boston. Yeah. I went there. Yeah. Went to school there. Let's school Merson. All right. He he's coming to Boston the spring time name. She said, no, they the artist's name the artist remember tired down. It's like you're on my way. It's it's the guy. I hate not not. I was not is it the BG's no group of stuff sing that song. Well, it's a cover them. Who does REBA? We put his not seeing that. She does not sing please come to Boston. I don't know her retire catalog. Maybe she doesn't maybe did a cover. Why is it so hard to? Thirty eight doesn't. Yeah. Dave loggins. We're looking for Dave. Log lesser logging. Unless you're logging. Yeah. Not ken. Dave loggins. I love that Kenny Loggins so much. Did you ever watch? Like the behind the scenes, we are the world video how he just looks like he's the only person that knows what the bug is there? And like he looks so put out. No, it's it's amazing. It made me kind of not like him because it it gonna like he looked to be enjoying any of it from what I hear. It was like kind of like a weird scene. It was late at night. And they really put a lot of pressure on everybody to do it. And not everybody wanted to do it. But I just love how like impatient. He looks like these jerks like he's a pro. He's like dang this out. And then on my way, home to pancakes, or whatever and everyone else just making it take a million years. It makes me laugh. It does seem like it was kind of like the little stories you hear about like. Oh, yeah. We just went grab this guy. Like, it was kind of for such a big deal. It was kind of thrown together maybe a little bit like he was planned out. But they had to do it like in the middle of the night because they didn't want any paparazzi. They didn't want to bother. These people's to come with the morning Brian the AM studios right there on. Yeah. I want to say it's not the Henson studios that were there. Yeah. I need to apologize. You're thinking of who's ever in New England style also thinking of that. But she also thinks his home that's called please come into Boston. But it's not that's not know your REBA inviting people to ball go back to. Reba town. She become obsessed with the New England area for the while. Did you know it? Well, she had two songs. New England's through with you. That's our that goes a little bit. Yeah. You know? It's weird about rebound. When she was Colonel Sanders that was weird for that many of the half. What does that happen? I don't know. That's weird or then her inviting people to both now, it's what you smell exander. Right. Is that who's now Dow there's also one that's just a voice over great. But who is it? Oh is the voice over got Armie hammer. You think it's Armie hammer. Did you see last week tonight? You I did. I guess it was like that manages good. Yeah. Yeah. It is John Oliver bullied. They nail it. I love John Oliver. No, you've you've worked with him. Have you know, I haven't I have a lot of friends that work on that show. And a lot of friends that worked with them on the daily show. I I don't know. I just like my like his wife. She's super cool. It is. Yeah. Yeah. She's super super cool. But I just met them through like she's a big housewives fan real housewives fan. So he would come on watch. What happens live and asked to be on with specific housewives because would like entertain his wife. So yeah. So that's how I know them just a little bit through meeting them. Thereby I love John his great. Seems I'll she's one of our best English talk show hosts in the United States. Piers morgan. James corden. Oh, so then. Yes. So yes. Yeah. Yeah. I love say this about. I say this about. John aubrey? I don't think there's a better prompt or reader in this business. I mean he this week. He finally flubbed flubbed a little bit. And it made me realize I was like, maybe the first, oh, it might be the first time. Yeah. But maybe it wasn't as fault. Maybe it was the teleprompter operator. Somebody got fired today. So I don't know. I'm just saying it could be someone trying sabotage him. It could be just, you know. Maybe there was a sub that day just saying it wasn't definitely one hundred percent his fault debut the histories on his side. That's what I'm saying. Very good at it. Very very good at and it talking face like. Face like. With information and words, and timing and jokes hit a way that feels very organic off the top. Yes, he's very good. He's talented guy Dareen on. Well, he take our jobs. Yes. He made a joke last night that he that. He was never accepted as a comedian, which I thought was interesting. Maybe it was just he was saying for humor. But Theresa May said that there was going to be a smooth transition in Brexit and like to parliament and like basically, everyone laughed in her face. And he said something like, oh must be nice to get a laugh in England. I don't know what that feels like. And I was like, oh, well, that's crazy. If that's true. That's kind of bizarre. Bizarre. Interesting. I don't I don't know. I don't know about him ever performing it. Yeah. I don't even. I don't know what he did there before he came. I I knew he had that podcast with. We did what what it was. It was going even after he was on daily show like he was in America. But he kept doing it with Zolt men like name Andrews Saltzman or say, someone Volkmann. I'm always fascinated by who comes here. And who goes there to try to make people give up I worked a little bit for Graham Norton who tried to come here and be a huge star. And we run interested not not accepting toward Graham Norton. But then I also worked on a couple of UK projects with them, and he became a huge huge star there. So I guess our loss I dunno or not we can see him to refine. Yeah. We can watch him no matter where but he's amazing. I just think he was like ahead of his time a little bit. What are some like? It was Dave hill. One of those people who is like an American who went in there and was successful. That's why we thought Dave hill was I thought he was from there. Yeah. He had like a show there. But I don't know if it was big or not you're not at Twitter anymore. He's doing thing. About your mother your mother everything's if somebody and people are getting getting so everything is like, hey, speaking of holes, I got predict your pubs right now. Like, that's the basis. Still funny. Insult childishly. It's so funny, and he is the nicest man, he's such a sweetheart and it so everybody makes me funny when he goes so hard in the paint. Gets people really really worked up. But that's great. I see. Oh, go good. Dave pills. Updates. Danny's like, it's not like, you can't even you. He's like doing science like he's just scientifically making people pushing people's buttons. So you can't like I just want to be like don't take it personally. He's just doing he's making a scientific reaction in you're in it. I just read one in it, maybe which one is somebody said, that's what I thought just another brain dead dork telling a man that has ten billion times is better. What to do whacky day? Phil says I just poked your mom ten billion. It's perfect. Oh. So funny. His caroline. I'm not gonna say it was why don't you have a nice one way trip to Canada, Mexico rude disrespectful person. Dave hill right now, I'm enjoying a nice one way trip inside your mom. So. Great. He's a good follow. It. He's the darling on Twitter as well. Wonderful on as well. That's nice of you are wonderful on there. I am a fan. Thank you. Why this happened? Thank you, welcome. But can I tell everybody that you almost didn't have me on because I said whatevs and a DM we've got real. Get worked up about it. I told you that it was it would cost you your parents. I said what I didn't even say whatevs dot org. Which is usually what I would say. But I was in a rush. And I just what is and Jimmy did not like, and I'm going to not on my watch. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I was like any really let me like you. Let me live in it for a couple of days. So you wait, you were okay. Now award. Award. I was like he was like you said whatevs this is over we can't be friends anymore. And that was like understood. And then I thought it'd be like JK. Well, w also hate JK assume, you're professional, you know, that I'm being silly probably like J and then like no contact he went and no contact for forty eight hours. And I was like oh, man. I'm meant it was I'm sad to say I have said to say that your use of whatevs has ended any possibility. Thank you. Thank you for your time tonight, though, she wrote one hundred hundred percent understand. And then yes, five days went by. Okay. That does seem like there's been some followup like not not. I assume show rudder of comedy program. It's not not let her off the hook. But just some sort of no reaction. Listen, I got so many podcasts irons in the fire. I was a worrying about I was like he if he really needs me he'll get back in touch. I think that Steve brought us back together. Steve the stage managed to bring us back together. I would I'm on this. He was like don't she doesn't say whatever all the time. I will tell you Steve do get involved. But but not because he just mentioned like, maybe he told me some cute stories about you guys. But we do like, yeah. You went backstage. The Paul young. Weird. It was it was the most uncomfortable. I haven't been in the history of the in show business. I was laughing so hard what he was telling me that story we just walked right into stress you. Was the most uncomfortable and know these worked on Conan for close to sleep by his job to walk in people's dressing rooms and me like come on. And I, but it was like it was just so bizarre. The way that we just clump up these stairs. And there we are no knocking on a door. Like, we were in the room to send their and nobody wanted us in that room was awful and trying to convince that we're supposed to know. We're supposed to be here. Even though if somebody do that to my Trishul, even comedy club get the fuck outta here. I don't care that my manager said it was cool. I don't know you get out. It's my most hated thing. Just like you feel like you should when someone's like come back come up come back come back stage. Whatever you feel like you should every time. Because like what if something amazing and Rockstars happens back there it never does. It never does. And it's always weird. And even when like the performers like a genuine friend of mine, it's always because they're like sweaty and disoriented and these. Like one eat a banana, whatever it's. Yeah. Nothing good ever happens backstage. That's as the title of your book. See one what a good book your history in this business. Maybe I gotta wait till everyone dies. I that is that do you think? So. I feel bad because I got the Letterman biography that came out I was interviewed for that. Everybody was interviewed for that. And I think I just didn't give that guy like any of the stuff that he wanted. I got a Turkey burger out of it. But I felt bad. And I realized that I'm not like a I'm not like a super tell all like, I think I'd issue told some minor some minor things, but that weren't juicy enough to really make them into the book. And then I was like, well, I guess like I'm loyal to that person that I don't really talk to or ever work with or whatever. But but then I guess that's why I was good at what I did. You be good spin. I'll take it to the grave trying to play sevens. Yeah. We gotta go. The theme here. This will this this news story with just popped up on my phone. We'll make you never want to go into a building again, earning Moran. One now elevator at one of Chicago's tallest skyscrapers plunges. Eighty four floors after cable breaks the supposed to happen. It's like breaks down. What happened to the people? Turn it refined drop early Friday when I guess this one of the seven Friday is the first we're hearing about it, including a pregnant woman. Oh god. Jesus does. She got people have gotten to know bitter on the ninety fifth floor, formerly known as the John Hancock center. Revisit building beginning to believe we were going to die. We're going down. And then I felt like we were falling down. And then I heard a noise Clack Clack locker where black. I knew something wasn't. Okay. All right. What are this one of the civil cables? Holding elevator had broken in the car fell rapidly landing somewhere near the eleventh. Lord, no one was injured. So the systems worked injure those inside had to wait hours for firefighters to break. Wall more than ten stories above the ground. It was a precarious situation where we had the cable break on top of the elevator. And we couldn't do. An elevator elevator rescue. I'm presuming that there we see all those, you know, spy shows, whatever where they talk about like they're going to do something to an elevator. But then they've got to overcome the emergency brakes. Yeah. So there's probably a system where it starts slowing it down. It's probably the Clack Clack that they heard and then eventually came to a stop thankfully on the eleventh floor rather than the minus second floor. Nobody got hurt that pregnant lady during that fall that baby. Was you you as a mother probably got more up in there. But it's going to be a skydiver. I tell you maybe maybe until his foot came out of her mouth. That's Gary, Karen. That's what I was getting at. Thank you for. Yeah. Come on Garin. That's not here. I know I got to go to pushes back down. You you're supposed to turn your phone onto to open sevens. Why was suddenly there? A news story in pie back pressed the wrong button. The case you play you in close seven spatially pyramid. Okay. I'm gonna give you clues to guess what? I'm describing. Okay. You have the following categories to choose from you only have seven seconds to get each one. Oh, God, you have movies TV shows celebrities music Broadway. The seventies the eighties nineties, the two thousands. Does her just generic of the decade? And then musically if the seventies music it. He's meeting nineties music two thousand music, stand ups superheroes movies action movies com movies comedy movies award winners. The eighties eighties decade or eighties music decade. Like me to here, we go eighties decayed. Here we go. You're ready. I'm gonna give you clues. You have to put them describing. Here we go. You don't seem confident. Here we go. Here we go. Here comes ready. Brat pack movie. Demi Moore's in a almost another the the Sheen's they were western. Young. Yes, freddie. He's gonna come and get you nightmare announced. Yes. I've musical parody dragged. My rob Reiner. Oh, this one goes eleven that movie. Oh, spinal tap next one. This is a cart movie based on a cartoon about a kid. That has a lot of money, right? Yes. We wore these the on our legs like a noble full full slacks, but they were made a specific gamut nNcholas cage movie, Deborah forms. Also in based this part of the of the city God for clues on my part, parachute, pants, parachute, pants pants, horrible, close spinal. Have you got the too late availa girl, you got too late nine, but I'm gonna blame me that's kind of wouldn't asthma. I'm gonna blame. It's probably surely to blame it on the breath. Boy, I stunk. Those are on me. I think we do. All right. No. We didn't eighties were longtime ago. That's true. High on pills. True. Nine was the. For the for the billboard the billboard. By the way. There's a new link to go to there. It's just called never not sevens dot com. If you want to peruse all the stats for seven s or SAVE NS has worse at sevens. John Ross Bowie Jono Mindy, sterling, many, sterling, and then the effort mention CC Pleasants. And then but rarely Diane Franklin Franklin was zero. Yeah, it was literally versus. Yeah. Well, we're clues. We're like, oh, this guy's an actor. He's handsome. Jack, Jack he's behind. You know, it's not yet asked you have is the key. Casey. Thank you for being here. Thanks for joining me such a pleasure to meet all of you. And I'm so happy you didn't pass away. Right. We got through it. Okay. What it was like nine twelve. It was fine. Yeah. Started out rough. We got through it. I'll be of the bucket. It watched. The busy villa show on e Sunday through Wednesday, ten o'clock on E. And just look at the way that that show is stage managed, I mean, you will not see a better managed state gym work in the stage management topnotch direction, the EPA on that. It's a lot going down. The bronze the pros. I got to see lady jump up and down in brassieres, and you were complaining about it. I said that we should have been longer. I did say he has more. More likely. I'll be how the pop he's looking over there. There's a silver FOX that's Garin Cochran captain back. 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