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The Killer Hookup & Smelly Bob

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The Killer Hookup & Smelly Bob

"Own today's episode we discuss the murder of troy la pierra and smelly bob no as robert black. You are listening to the boone doug's baby <music> pan it would boom <music> welcome to bad in the boondocks as always. I'm one of your host stan and i'm drew and as always we're so glad you're here how to folks folks and we have a new patron. Her name is emily laughing and that is how you so you say just butcher. I don't know what we are. Sorry let us know you spell it out to us yeah but we appreciate appreciate you become a patron and we hope that you enjoy all of the benefits that you receive from being a patron and you want to be on the cool wagon the coal wagon yes party van apart. Yes then you need to go. Check out patriarch. It'll be a part of our hippie club. Yeah redneck can't use coon's tail for no we do not. We're not entail. We are not that redneck. We don't actually go out coon hunting but tom you got anything else. How about lome our emails. Yes my email. 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When a woman looked out or window and saw a man lying on the sidewalk outside of her house she then called police once she discovered the gruesome body yeah police showed up and see that he had been stabbed over twenty times there was also ligature marks around his neck showing that he had also been strangled up under the body. They found black cable wire which should appear to being used to to strangle him. Police felt that there was more to the story than than just a botched robbery. Turn your phone offs family. <hes> the city was pretty. Small and murders like this never really occurred there. There's no identification on the body but investigators did find a cell foam that was recovered next to the victim's body. I was doing sound fix. Nick's story were this made. It seem like the killer or killers wanna police defined the cell phone or us there would have taken it came out or it drops out there are they did see his cell phone tree. Why would they not have taken his cell phone. That is a crucial clue. It was the dead person self yes. Why would they have not taken it well unless i call and and why would they have left the cable wire on maybe they had got do and it never specifies justifies how why they did that but investigators examined the cell phone back at the station but of course it had had a pass code on it then in the middle of trying to unlock the cell phone colleen l'affaire called him frantic saying that her husband had had been missing man. He's no longer missing. Wait a second. The discovered body and the husband of colleen was forty two euro troy lafayette era and they lived in a neighboring town of silence grove. They didn't tell colleen about husband's murder in person so they headed over to her house and told her about her husband's death. What read that again they didn't. I'm at they didn't tell about over the foam okay so they headed over to her house and told her about told her about what was going on. Colleen told police she last saw him eating with his parents parents for dinner. So they headed over to his parents place. His mother said that he went on the computer. After eating dinner and they found that he he had been logging on to craigslist back pages what tour and there was eight different email addresses with different names on them logged and to him he was dip into deep sure was we dan. They look through them. They remember those fund dips. What fund ucs yes i do. Oh yeah he's as we down tears on but you did the stick lurking that income from because he was dipping his house thinking to dip into stick in the powder okay yeah <hes> then they found different women that had contacted him that he contacted for sex over the eight different different email addresses police suspected that one of these women could have been toys killer. I think that whenever if a spouse or something if they die and then you're told and then you find out like the cheat on you never need dallas he saw it really wasn't even care if this i would think that's what the get aaad motherfucker for rules on police assumed that the answer could lie in his cell phone and finally they got the phone open and they discovered that on the night of november eleventh chore was texting with someone who's phone heading north carolina area code own investigators traced the number and found out it is a man woman owned. Oh now they find ticks messages and calls to twenty two year old elliot barber. They decided to call the elliott's number and no one answered but win the voicemail ran. It was a female voice. This is very confused person. Could this has been the woman that was supposed to meet chore for sex or could it be elliott disguising his voice as this is now the lead of the investigation finding out who that woman who the woman was virtually that that number was used to register vehicle and the woman that did it was nineteen year old miranda barbour. I betcha she's married elliott. Eh random barber was elliott's wife of three weeks. I was gonna say our sister sister. Somebody never knew the the cops had the bar reser dress because of the registered vehicle on november thirteenth two thousand thirteen police went to the residence of the barber's in silent group pennsylvania roommates shameless and his sister eliza also lived in the home that was owned by their mother author valerie. What are you doing what listening who allowed elliott maranda to live in the upstairs bedroom churn with miranda's two year old daughter since they moved to the area in october two thousand thirteen okay so it's actually been a relatively short time because only november twelve i'm saying she just moved there and uh-huh and all that yeah well we'll get to that they didn't find at the apartment that contributed to the case miranda valerie lori what asked to come to the police station for questioning they both provided alibis at the time of the murder the time the murder occurred heard elliott and miranda were out celebrating for elliott's birthday and valerie was at home watching miranda's daughter. They both both were then. Let go moody know that you know <hes> overrated that songs not overrated it is it is a song way too. Much and people are tired of hearing. I don't asama cow is but then there was a huge discovery. Choice truck was found at susquehanna valley mall. Yeah i don't. I don't think you nail how did susquehanna assured in less than forty eight hours. After the murder text messages concluded that the night he disappeared he was supposed to meet at the mall to have sex with the woman he met on craigslist at the mall police. Get the got the surveillance footage of that night november eleventh and it showed choice truck pulling into the mall's parking lot and then another vehicle pulled up lafayette got out in hopped into the front seat of the second vehicle. The car then pulled off and the cop some couldn't identify the driver license play make an model because i mean it was just too dark. Police went to other stores and got the surveillance tapes hoping it had captured the mysterious issue v on camera and sure enough at the walmart. It showed the core and elliott sitting in the backseat. Obviously they were not out. Celebrating earning ilott's birthday. Maybe they were this is how they didn't say. How old is just gonna sound stupid because they've already caught them on video tape. They did not say how they celebrated it in. They said that they went out. Just went out and celebrated and that's exactly what they're doing. This set declared sure but yeah in the walmart tapes it captured elliott. Galway's the only walmart quit going to walmart yeah well. He was going down house getting things to clean with like bleach wipes and this master your celebrate brayton hard. You're gonna need something to clean up the spoke and stuff so variety yeah sure and this was two hours after the murder occurred occurred of course when confronted maranda and elliott denied being involved. There was the videotapes against them and text. I and you just know that they did it but there was no concrete evidence to arrest them. Rant voluntarily went to the police station to talk to police and admitted that she was talking to troy but it was somebody that she didn't actually know very well. She told police jason since moving to pennsylvania in october two thousand thirteen she had been talking with different men on craigslist. She claimed she didn't offer sex just companionship she would literally charge them a hundred to eight hundred dollars just to go and talk to them does so so. How believable is that what appear lips is moving tonight. The ones on the face exactly moran iran said that her and elliott were excited that troy wanted to meet and plan to go to cisco hannah valley mall to make some money to celebrate elliott's birthday. She said quote i really wanted to give elliott such nice birthday but i became nervous about this undecided just to blow off the entire main and said elliot went out and celebrated his birthday. You get below off her meeting in quote. I thought she was from pennsylvania well. She's originally from alaska. Go okay. I do not think that they have hicks like that in alaska but she trapped but she travels a lot yeah. She said that her elliott spent spent the night at a strip club fifty miles away in harrisburg after talking to the police they let her go and decided to follow up. Go elliot of course. He backed her up but there's no way that a person's gonna pay eight hundred dollars just to have conversation police already knew that there were birth lying and they just sounded stupid. I'm no email us if you'd pay eight hundred dollars to have a conversation with me if soviet oh you should have join patriot sure the text messages revealed that troy and miranda. We're going to do a lot more than just talk. At least that's what troy thought she told him that <hes> she told troy and what they're gonna do and how much it was going to cost for each of the sexual activities oh so nash it was sexual activities. Yeah not just talking. It was never talking. It was never about talking and it really wasn't about <hes> sex. Neither there's just a bell killing him. I guess if at all the other people that she charge yeah. Did you kill those two yes. She was just wanting to steel steel all this money she'd be out of luck of it would've been me. He's you ain't got a i five dollars to police convince the judge that miranda's vehicle was used in the murder and got a warrant to search it they found that the car had been cleaned but they failed to clean the massive amount of blood under the passenger your seat eight winner for that app such issues. The blood was sent to the crime lab to be analyzed in the meantime randa to went to the police station on december third two thousand thirteen and changed her story yet again now. She admitted to the killing but she said said that it was in self defense. She said trying to stabber poker. She said that troy was in the vehicle and turf toe her to pull off the side of the road where he tried to rape her then she he tried hard to stop him from groping her but he kept on and that's when she snapped she pulled out her knife that was stashed between her seat heat and all she saw was blood. She then don't said she don't his body on the owner way home on the side of the saab wall base about the strangulation until told elliot what happened then they cleaned the the car and went out for his birthday but that was her story miranda was charged with murder and taken to northumberland orlen county jail daring confession. She said nothing about choking troy and with cable wires. I guess she forgot to lie about that. Par there was a number on the cable wire that matched a store and the surveillance tapes of the store confirmed. That elliott was the one who bought the cable wire on december sixth elliott turned himself in and told cops the whole truth. He said it was a premeditated potato murder and that he wanted to kill someone to feel what it felt like oh. He's just going all in 'cause miranda told him that she kill many other people before oh four in that gave her some sort of power elliott to- police on november eleventh two thousand thirteen in his wife targeted troy after after he answered the craigslist ad as maranda drove to meet troy elliott hid in the back seat. Miranda told him that when she said what if you accident informed sorry what does that saying <music>. What's that smell my goodness with humor an excuse random told him that when she said have you seen the stars tonight they he was that was his cue to jump up and strangle him chore got in the car and told miranda to drive until being asked to pull over they had a short conversation then she said the phrase and elliott froze so she said it again and again he froze as miranda grabbed the knife and started stabbing him repeatedly the end alias joined in and wrap choice neck with the wire during the surge of the barber residence police found a knife with blood stains on the weapon that was used to kill chore lafi era. They also found a satanic bible in denies stand. Now police said so much evidence stacked against him that it was almost impossible not to get a conviction <music> brandon elliot barber were arraigned in northumberland county district court where they pleaded not guilty to first degree murder <music> brenda did have a harder life you know with drugs and alcohol she began being friends with satan worshippers and was a sexual tool who was just passed around and then she became pregnant. At sixteen years old. She moved from alaska where she grew up and ended up in north carolina where she got a job at a supermarket elio. Mother hand was still dealing with his own demons. Humans in north carolina elliott was socially awkward and he even started attending college but his girlfriend got pregnant and dropped out five months before miranda and elliot killed troy they met at a party. You broke up with his girlfriend and gave her all the rights to the child. Elliott and miranda then moved to fit pennsylvania and took miranda's starter with him welling custody. She claimed when she was in the satanic call. She killed more than twenty. Two people think she's lying. In alaska texas assists north carolina and california over six years police found no evidence to support her claims brandon elliott got out of the death penalty by accepting the deal second degree murder and they both got life sentences this without parole or with that role for second degree it might have been with burl but inside the chest and you may have set on it i don't i they were just pure trash. They were there. They're the type of people that i mean you know you just pass by like a rugby neighborhood and you'll see them standing and outside with alder with dirty feet and flip flops penalty hip and glenn and dirty ta ta arabia. Maybe owned the two right here on right up at whereas l. a. Somebody's name yup. That's exactly how it is. Yep okay well. What did you think i just helped you in your trash. I felt like there were i mean. It was a little dirty what they did all right. What are you gonna do. <hes> well off. Got a smelly way. Yeah robert black okay. Robert black was born in grange mount scotland on april twenty first nineteen nineteen forty seven his mother was not married which was a big taboo back in those days and taboo komo and he didn't. I don't think any of our listener of that stupid either and he didn't know whose father was <music>. Blacks mother struggled to take care of him and she placed him in foster care when he was just a few months ago. How ever soon after he he was put in a foster care was a good thing because he was adopted by jack and margaret tulip nor is it wasn't a good thing well it was because then he was adopted yeah but then it became a killer but i had nothing to do with the adoption might not have put shut up and let me why did the mother not have any was was unable take care while she was a single. Mom just couldn't take care of them so she gave them wasn't one child yeah so. It's not that difficult to take. It was for her sure well. She's just lousy. That's called band parenting anyway. The tulips were a couple in their fifties but tragedy struck black when he was just five. His foster father died and six years later so did his foster mother oh. I guess it was a good thing but that's just now you know that is crap. After his foster mother died black ended up in reading children's home. They lived there until he was fifteen years old. Just a year after he was sent to the children's home to live at just twelve years old now black wchs sexually assaulted a young girl black and two of his friends attacked the girl while she was walking alone field near the orphanage. What they took turns holding the girl down while each of them tried to rape her while she walking in a field just walking it it was back in the friggin was that yeah fifties okay so that's normal nowadays on they're crazy. Raise your something gives you goin' people walk outside. Go ahead yep. I'm talking about like feel feel where everything was like growing and stuff like that. This is also not here in the united states. There are field everywhere in scotland and oh how much a role in hill quit making me sound stupid. I mean 'cause hear me say eighty something then you just stop in the you make it an you're interrupting in good part and it's new makes it awkward thing in then. It's like mike exactly what it is. Just keep on going. I won't say anything the rest of the appropriately say anything else they took turns holding girl down while each of them tried to rape her however according to black none of them were able to get erections switch made it impossible for them to penetrator. I wonder why well like twelve years old and usually like them to spring up. Uh well not for them not every twelve year old conscript while you're trying to struggle holding the girl down and all that crap must twelve year olds also aren't thinking about sex obviously they were list sexual assault was reported to the police but none of the the boys were charged ma this stupid. They just didn't care enough. I meant i guess girl also stayed at the orphanage. After the attempted right black was moved to a different orphanage. Here black said that a male staff member routinely sexually assaulted him over two year period. He said that the man forced him to perform oral sex on him and also attended sodomizing but he was unable to get an erection. Maybe had something to do with the air because there's a lot in the air and there's a lot of iraq talent scott scotland or was it in sweden doughnuts in scotland. <hes> black did not bay regularly throughout his life and oftentimes he had really bad odor and beginning in childhood he would earn the nickname of smelly bomb while black committed his first known murder in nineteen eighty one he had already sexually assaulted dozens of girls by that time according to black when he was fifteen. He got a job working as a delivery boy in scotland. This job took him all over town. It enabled him to fondle between thirty and forty young girls the delivery more deliver what what let me check my back no one that ain't nothing for you. He did this for about two years undeterred but at the age of seventeen gene he was arrested for strangling a seven-year-old girl until she was unconscious and masturbating over her comatose body however however even though he was convicted of lewd and la fitness behavior he was only given a warning and no time imprison. What's in the nineteen seventies black found employment working as a long distance delivery driver for company that created posters for billboard less. Just basically saying you know go in kill anyway. Yes and this job took him all over the u._k. Ireland and even even mainland europe black brawled black bolt a van. He used to make his deliveries and he customized it. He hung dark curtain curtain over the back windows making it nearly impossible for anyone to see inside. I guess if a white storage fam- it is white blacks occupation enabled tabled him to abduct young girls and cities and towns along as delivery route so he wasn't automatically a suspect in their disappearances. After murdering his victims black continued on his delivery row discarding the girls corpses sometimes hundreds of miles from where he found him when it's victims bodies were found it took longer for authorities to identify the girls and sometimes they were unable to conclusively determine the manner in which they had been killed while mm-hmm on august of nineteen eighty one thirty four year old robert black abducted nine year old jennifer corey. The girl was riding her bike near hear her home. In northern ireland after kidnapping cordy black sexually assaulted the girl and strangled her to death with literature he then doll alter lifeless body and a reservoir approximately twenty miles from the girls home less than a year later black duck to susan clair maxwell and she was eleven eleven years old. She was walking in cornhill on tweed in england black sexually assaulted the girl before killing her and dumping thing her body off the side of the road nearly three hundred miles from where he kidnapped her now. That's a little bit smarter yeah not to give him any kind of <music> glory or anything. I'm just saying that is more than just like two miles or are the orange what he did to eventually get call just a year later on july eighth of nineteen eighty-three black net five year old caroline hogg while she was playing by her are home. He held the girl captive in his van for more than a day and during this time he sexually assaulted her and and then killed her and escorted her corpse in a ditch less than three years later on march twenty six nineteen eighty six black kidnap apsara jane harper and she was ten years old. She was walking to a store nearby her house. He also sexually assaulted her before drowning her her and her lifeless body was found in river in nottingham england approximately seventy miles from her house godless such young girls the jesper five five years old and seven years old ten years old police were determined that carolina hog and susan maxwell had been killed by the same perpetrator and and a coordinate task force was formed in nineteen eighty three officers from four different police forces came together to conduct what that was at the time britain's largest ever manhunt after studying win and where the victims were abducted law enforcement became convinced that the killer work as a delivery driver while they followed up on this lead by contacting transportation firms in england and in scotland but their efforts failed to produce the killer killer it but <hes> england doesn't have this kind of stuff happen. Oh yeah but they do. There's been a few. There's been a few but li- he no they carry around the nightsticks. They don't have guns though that they don't. I'm i feel like they might need to have. Maybe a little bit more protection. I mean at at least some hot sauce mo- puts them back and say no this this i i'm home on liquor. The task force lasted for nine years and had a price tag of an estimated five million billion euros while law enforcement work tirelessly to try and find the person responsible for killing multiple young girls black was finally caught when a member of the public saw him of duct a six year old child such an idiot on july fourteenth of nineteen ninety black kidnapped a young girl from from outside her home in sto- in scotland in front of the child neighbor david her who was mowing the lawn herk wrote down blacks license plate and promptly contacted the police incredibly black decided to return to the site of the abduction despite having successfully fled the scene such idiot he was stopped by law enforcement went hurts identified van when an officer opened the rear door war he discovered the child stuffed in a sleeping bag bound and gagged with a hood over her in the officer was shocked opt and horrified to discover. It was actually is very l. dollars. Oh my god for real. The police is home daughter yeah <hes> well that even though that she was missing yet so he literally kidnapped after her stuff tame back found others zone even though the girl was still alive black can already subjected her to severe sexual assault in that short what time he had held her captive in his vam our not want to be him. We run our probably kill right then. They're they're black was taken to the local police station where he admitted to sexually assaulting young girl killed when hector clark detective put on the task. Ask force was informed of blacks arrest. He arranged to meet the suspected killer in person clerk says i'm at clark said of the meeting i knew it was on a man i knew by his appearance and even his mail more weird yeah but he stunk so bad look dirty peru after black was arrested searches of his van and home uncovered a number of disturbing things in his vehicle investigators found children's clothing which black claimed that he liked to wear while while he masturbated masturbating okay they also found a polaroid camera and multiple hoods and ropes when the police searched his home they found a lords collection of child pornography including magazines photos and books officials also found fifty videotapes of children being subjected to graphic vic sexual abuse or and he found that black told investigators he purchased a lot of the child pornography while he was visiting din more and the netherlands netherlands child pornography was legal in denmark until nineteen eighty one and in the netherlands until nineteen eighty six how <music> how it was lee santa approximately four years after black was sentenced to life in prison for abducting and sexually assaulting the police officer's daughter his trial for multiple counts of kidnapping embroider began on april thirteenth nineteen ninety four the trial lasted did one month and oh may nineteenth nineteen the al may nineteenth nineteen ninety-four blatt was convicted of kidnapping and murdering susan maxwell's sarah harper and and carolina hog he was also found guilty of the attempted abduction of theresa thornhill which was a fifteen year old girl that he had tried to kidnap in nineteen eighty eight eight black was sentenced to life in prison for each count as the convict a serial killer was leaving the court he complimented the detectives who had worked on the task force and he just told them they did such a good <hes> overcome with emotion detectives wept as black was taken to prison to spend the rest of his life behind bars when they were home because i meant he was like to them. It was like him saying he was guilty. Uh and they had worked for nine years on this good god. I don't even know he'd been doing this. While black was in prison to fellow inmates lied in wait for the convicted serial killer in his sale. I knew that happen and they poured scalding hot water order mixed with sugar on him in an effort to remove the skin from his body that to work yes someone that all of us gambia then beat black with a table leg and stabbed him with a ship blacks attackers were convicted of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and both men men were sentenced to three years in prison for the best worth. I i do three years for the after spending more than two decades behind bars black never never confessed to murdering any of his known or suspected victims. He died of a heart attack in prison in northern ireland on january twelve two thousand sixteen at the age of sixty eight after he passed away a secret funeral was held just outside of belfast none. None of blacks friends or family members were in attendance while following a short ceremony black was cremated and his ashes were eventually scattered out out to see. Would you funerals. I did all that another to do that. I guess dirty dirty might even take a dump on. I might do all three three early and that is smelly bus fare well well of course yours is worse the yeah but i didn't want him on such harsh this time you know. All of ours have been so dark so i'm saying it wasn't exactly i'm sure they were celebrating his there his birthday but still they kinda stabbed the mother crapper twenty times mm-hmm and and choke them answering. That's still. I'm this bad but i'm saying yours is worth could still in with children yeah. Y'all less what we got for you today. <hes> please. I've like i said i'm begging please leave a review you a rating and subscribe and tell your friends about us <music> one more thing before we go. We have two podcasts that you need to go. Check out. 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Jordan Barbour

Homophilia

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

Jordan Barbour

"Should pull dave home. What a pleasure to see you. It's a delight to see you. It's been so long has been so long. We're recording these in fits and starts and thanking them up. Because it's a busy time for you time. I mean I have a job for the first time in a hundred years love this. I'm GonNa Writer's room am so happy to be there so great so great thank you. I'm I'm you know it's it's a lovely Dream Team. I don't know I guess I shouldn't say what it is but it doesn't matter it's I'll I'll say what it is when someone more important has announced what it is because I'm not getting enough to not important enough to be the winter. Break the news. I know Tom Michael moved to La. I was like he I when we met he had just moved here and he was a and I was like. What do you do and he was like? I'm a writer on a half hour comedy. I was like Oh okay and we were. We dated and it was like nine till like our second or third day Rosa. Can you tell me where you work? Is this the Seinfeld Reunion? Like what's going on and the mystery around it Shits Creek which is great. Joe Yeah but I think he was just like I don't know who this creep business who willing me or something shared. Oh Okay Fair enough anyway. A how are you? I've never been better. Is that right. No that's all right. You and I'm I've definitely been better. Yeah Yeah I think we've all been better. We're recording this on Super Tuesday. Yes we are. Are we exhausted? Yes we are one hundred. Did you happen to see Chris Matthews just fucking quit. Msnbc on the air. Oh I didn't know he quit on the air on the Air Matt Holy on the air he He said I'm retiring right now. And like I said I said some things that I thought okay to say. And they're not and Set a bunch of goodbye type things and then said goodbye and went commercial and they came back and it was Steve Kornacki just being like I guess I'm the I'm hosting this now and they. Yeah they've you could tell. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on now. I watch Rachel last night and she did not even acknowledge she didn't know because the regular shows just did their regular shows like he left them fully high and dry. He was just like I am. I think I'm going to retire as of the Second Combine. It is shot when you stack up. All of the things that he has said in the past is shocking that he's gone gotten by as long as he's I. He is the worst seen. I mean I have a love for him only because he's so unintentionally areas. He's always been the waxed. He went to Holy Cross with Alma Mater. Yup James Hillman Clarence Thomas. All the great all the greats James Domain does the funniest Chris Matthews. Of course the poor. Steve Kornacki we should get him at some point. That's right he's gay. He's gay a some trouble with his accent. Really well you know what if we get him? I'll I'll I'll let him know something about it you know. Sometimes people lean too hard and their accents. And you're like I don't buy it. Oh interesting I think he is. Sometimes I think people make the mistake of thinking. This accent will be my personality and it's like no. It's uninteresting IDA. I've never found that to me an issue. I find him so aggressively nerdy. That is almost hot. I see that yeah I get it I get hashing it about dumb bullshit. I don't know I like that. What else is happening? What else is happening at? The very beginning of love is blind even yeah thoughts I know that I'm GonNa Fall in love with it. I've my my attention. Span has been greatly diminished. Sure But I I know that I'm I know I know I'm in. Have you met the guy who identifies by slash fluid? Yeah should we book him? We could why not. Yeah why not? We are trying. I'm just GonNa say this now. I WANNA speak this out into the universe. I'm going to manifest it. I'm going to manifest this truth. We have Friday forty the game. Show that Scott Campbell and I do the dynasty typewriter. Scott didn't he was going to be able to make it because the south by southwest guess what has been canceled because corona virus. He can make it now. So we're up the night of the thirteenth. Apm that is a Friday. We are trying. We Ha- we will secure joy from the circle. I WanNa meet him in real life in the worst way and this is how to do it. This is Friday March thirteenth framework for myself. Because I have never a terrible friend. I've never seen that Friday forty. It's okay it's okay and this should clearly be the one I come to well. Yeah when it happens when it's going to be it has been I believe I believe it. I've manifested it. I unfortunately probably not gonNA get a chance to see the inheritance. That's right margins. This is such a bummer. It's closing March. Fifteenth Young are in New York at or you're going to New York Get yourself ticket or a couple of because it is a two parts Longer experience but a powerful one and We recorded this awhile ago when I was in New York with Jordan Barber. Who's in the Broadway? Cast is incredible friend of the show. Nigel Campbell. Set this up for us. I give a shout out to Nigel. I love you and you had to skype in with US. Rain here from here. Are you left me and we miss you terribly? Well I'm fair. Yeah Yeah I like to be able to touch you during the interview and feel mostly play with your hair our and Yeah so we. We have incredible conversation about the show. Granted we I think we all assume this. This isn't going to run for a long time. Hopefully it will make its way around the country. You know it will. It's going to it. Has It has done that. It's this secret. It is a great touring worldwide success after ninety three times after you see Joey from the circle and the Friday forty then get yourself a ticket to being. Here's insertion of contrast wherever it is Jordan Barber after the break we're back Jordan Barbara Jordan. Hi Hello Hi. I should tell people that Dave is in. La were here in New York. But we're looking at each other in the future we're bicoastal and we are in the future. It's pretty amazing. Actually kind of feels like you're right here with us so you're having a Friday afternoon also I am yes I am do you. D- Asleep in after Thursday performance. What's your what's your schedule. You know it's kind of Mondays and Tuesdays are real days off so I kind of use those to veg out and I try to make the week a little bit more active so I was just running errands and I actually had to put myself on tape for another audition tape. Doing this never ends. The struggle never ends so Yeah I mean on Thursdays and Fridays I try to take it somewhat easy because you know The show is the show takes a lot out of us. Three and a half hours long When we're doing just one show. We're doing to show days at seven hours so it's a lot but Yeah I try to get stuff done. So during the week you're you're you're SORTA alternating part one part two no actually so during the week so we work Wednesday through Sunday and Wednesdays Saturdays and Sundays. We do two shows. We do a matinee of part one and then in the evening we do part two and then Thursday and Friday. We just part one in the evenings So there's never a day that we do part to you by itself. Oh got it. Yeah so part. One is getting a little more love to you know. I think that maybe because it's a bit of a gamble doing a show like this. I think that they're sort of banking on people. Maybe taking the chance of JESSE IN PART ONE. And if they're into it which most people are They'll come back and see part two. That's true because you don't want to take a gamble and jumping on partout and then yeah exactly the cool thing about the world that matthew built is that You can do it individually. I do a little bit more in part two so when I have friends that are coming in. And they're like we can only see one. Which one should we see? I sort of sadly say if you could only see one come see part two because I do a little bit more in it And I'm a little worried that they're not gonNA understand exactly what's going on but they you know after the first five ten minutes or so they kind of. Hook into what we're doing and they don't really have any trouble but I would definitely recommend seeing both part I'm doing. The full is Sunday. We're doing it in the heartland. Then Yeah Okay how? Much time we're getting off in between does you're GONNA get about two and a half hours. Oh Great Yeah we end at four thirty and then the next show will start at seven. Oh you can have a nice leisurely dinner. Earn the process Sacchi brief. Yeah it takes a lot out. I'm prepared for this to be heroin. I wouldn't say it's harrowing. You know what I will say is you know. That's the thing it sort of. It has this reputation of being this like epic big. I WANNA see sad but like oh you know serious heavy exactly and what I will say is that Wha- you know the first day of Rehearsal Matthew Satisfied Matthew Lopez writer saddest down and he was like everyone's GonNa be treating this like it's this big epic dramatic play and there are certainly elements of that in this world that he's created but really it's fun comedy. I mean he really did write a fun comedy of manners. It's about this group of friends and it's mostly about these two guys in a relationship and how their world sort of unravels and their relationship Develops and it really is very funny. I mean I think that's the thing that people were most surprised by the first act. Matthew lexicographer charm offensive. Macaroni to say that. Are I like half hour? Forty five minutes is like a full on charm offensive where we're really trying to get the audience to sort of let go of any preconceptions that they have about the world of this show people have that same feeling that you're you're having like. Oh my God. This is going to be a harrowing thing. I guess I should bring tissues. I should and it's true you should. You should absolutely bring some tissues be punched in the Gut. Brenly there's there's certainly some things I mean. That's that's matthews whole endeavor with this is I mean. It's it's as someone who does comedy as well. You are constantly trying to get a message through but the only way you can do that the only way you can share your ideas is to break down people's barriers and break down people's reservations so what we what we try to do in especially in that first act of their six acts altogether so we try to especially I. It's a lot but especially what we try to do in that first act is really just get any preconceptions or any notions of what you think. The world of the play is going to be. We sort of break that down and just try to let you ease into the lives of these people realize these characters and enjoy us and enjoy the world that we're building and it really is. I mean what Matthew Manages to do and what we've managed to do as a cast a and with the amazing direction of seizure. Stephen Daldry and just Martin is maintain a certain level of levity. I think throughout the seven hours which is not an easy thing to do. Especially when you're dealing with the themes and the sort of things that we're dealing with in the world of the show you know AIDS and the legacy of AIDS and how we Pass on our stories from one generation to another. You know it's the general idea of it. Is You know with any sort of demographic or any sort of minority group especially in underrepresented one. There is this idea of lineage as a black person. I know that if I have biological children those children will be black. And there is a sort of inherent sense of lineage. There's an inherent sense of history. That goes along with that as gay people. We don't necessarily have that. You know you the family that you have as gay people as sort of a family that you find in a family that you create and the only way to pass on our lineage or to pass on our legacy is through story and through communication and so the play is really about sharing those stories and sharing the idea of who and what we are and I think a major part of that you know a major way that gay people have survived all this time is through our humor and through the ability to laugh and what Matthew does so eloquently I think is managed to get some pretty heavy themes and ideas into the world of the show but we really are trying to make you laugh though no time it really is A. It's not a light show but it is a funny show. It's a very funny show. We're GONNA experience all the emotions. Yes you will including laughter. Yes you will absolutely sobbing. Yeah you know. I've been doing this show now. We started performances in September twenty seventh and I am still crying every day almost every day when we do the show and you know could be one of those actually things where you're like. I know I have to cry right now. But it's it's really not that it's a really lovely world and so much of what Matthew has put out there. And so much of what we have built as an ensemble and as a as a sort of family at this point is this sense of. Camaraderie I. I'm deeply feeling things when my fellow actors are going through things and it's it's such a beautiful experience to get to do and yeah it's hard it it it takes a lot out of you. It's kind of emotionally wrenching. It is lovely because at the end of the day. You're sort of up there watching your friends and you're watching your family so it doesn't feel as difficult as it. Could I guess and the pedigree of it is just kind of staggering right? I mean it was. It had already had a life in London before you came along right so it already had. You know sort of garnered all of these awards. One like Olivier's in everything. Yeah so what was it. Walk us through your process of getting the role of God What where were you in life? What was a typical daylight for Jordan before this was happening where was I? I don't think we have enough time on this through where I wasn't life but I I had just come back from three years at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival and I came back to New York. I've lived here for God. Nineteen years now and You know being an actor here is very difficult. You gotta go wherever the work is. And I. I've been really lucky in my career This is my Broadway debut. But I've I've gotten the chance to work with Peter Brook. I lived in Europe for a year and toured around Europe and Asia with Peter Brook's company and I worked with Young Jean Lee who actually just had a show on Broadway last year. Straight white men. I mean I toured with an earlier. Show of hers called the shipment and we toured all over the world. We went to the Sydney Opera House for festival. That was curated by Lou Reed And then I just did three years at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival so I've had this really cool and varied and we are career. But the you know there was always that specter of Broadway than I ever gotten to and and any actor. They can tell you though. I don't have any sites for Broadway or any everyone wants to get on Broadway. It's just one of those things that once you be. I remember saying this to my sister. After I booked the part like oh I I can no matter what happens for the of my life. I can always say that. I'm a Broadway actor. Yes really cool. As far as getting to the show. I went through four rounds of auditions in June The first three were like casting directors next round was the addition of Stephen and just in our director and associate director. Then we added Matthew the writer that was a third round. The fourth round was a three hour callback. It was a group callback. I was a nightmare. It was a nightmare but it was a nightmare nonetheless And in which. We got like twenty pages the night before and they said. Don't worry you don't have to be off book or anything but we were reading those for the next day and then So that all happened then I didn't get. I did not get the part but I think that they were sort of just like seeing. What else is out there and seeing you know they were sort of keeping me on the back burner because they liked me and then about a month later they called me back and said you know we really actually want to see you again for this so I was actually on the other side of the country and I had to fly myself back for A. I guess this would have been my physician now so this is now a week or two before we start rehearsals and they had me auditioned again. Found out that I got it and then I ended up going into rehearsals. This would be August now. You talk about this sort of legacy of the show. I was incredibly intimidated. Walking into that Room Matthew Lopez who this his Broadway debut as well but he's had a really established and lovely career. Then you have Stephen Daldry. Who is this legend? Who's done you know Billy Elliot? The hours of the reader. He's responsible for the crown. I mean to say that I was intimidated. Would be an understatement. But in some a lot of original cast and as the five main cast members were back with us. Well so what was Nice for me was that we had When you see the show There's like sort of a bunch of characters that are on. The periphery that I guess literally and figuratively actually That sort of interact with the main players and our help tell the story and help move the story along and all of us are from New York. All of us are new to the process here so we it was cool because we sort of got to start over while also building on something that they had already created in London and what was really exciting. What Matthew really wanted to do was Really build around this group of actors so seventy I think it's something like thirty percent of part one and like seventy percent of part two changed from London to Broadway because they really did want to cater for the actress that they were working with and wanted to make it specific to you know there's so much in the show that's just about life in New York and there were things that a London audience wasn't necessarily hooking into that we wanted to make a little more tangible radio guardian. We wanted make a little more applicable for neo audience and Matthew was really open to matthews whole. Matty's work ethic is so admirable because he just really wants to. He's always trying to perfect it. He's always trying to make it better. Whatever that means for an artist And it was exciting because he was really open to suggestion is really open to working and collaborating with the actors But Yeah I mean entering into that universe was very intimidating but ultimately in the same way that Matthew tries to in the play Stephen Justin and Matthew really wanted us to not have any sort of sense of intimidation or like. You don't belong or anything like that. It was. We are all in this room. We're all artists. I mean the first day matthew came up to me and and because they know that they put me through the ringer with the auditions. And the Matthew. Stephen both came up to me individually and said we are so happy that you're in this room so happy to have you so that was a really nice. Yes way to get the fear out of my a little bit. And how much longer are you doing it right now? We are open ended so we could run as long as audiences. WanNa keep coming and seeing Right now we are selling tickets. I believe through June eighth. Something like that So yeah we are. We're here for at least a few more months and you know we'll see I mean I. I know that there are definitely trying to keep us open through the tonys and see how that all pans out and if gets Tony KNOBS and especially if we get some Tony Wins I think we we could be here for a little while. I feel like it's happening now. Yeah it's exciting. Do you have time to consume anything else movies TV. That's actually about all. I can consume right now so like I was saying. `I veg out on Monday and Tuesday and so I much you know to my own dismay I i. I'm I always like sites. Might getting my sights on doing more and running errands and getting stuff done but then you get to that Monday and Tuesday. You're like I can't do anything so I'm just sort of hanging out at home watching movies a lot. Yeah TV lot. You've which you've earned the right to do by. You GotTa let your Sake you thank you for saying what. What are you watching? What's in the queue at the moment Okay so my guilty pleasure at the moment is this reality. Show called the circle. Okay all right here. We talk about this obsessed with this show. Where are you in the show right? I'm not that far. I'm only like five episodes. I don't even know how many episodes there are twelve. So I'm only like how like I. They just The third catfish guy just got introduced. So the the guy who's he's using the really hot blonde guy his avatar Cafes Alex. We're talking about what's that Alex. Yeah Alex Them Guy who wears the pants? That are flowing. Yeah I always see the bottom of his feet somehow. Yeah so. He's always working with his feet while he's while he's upset it's a lot and it's it's weird. I'm weirdly obsessed with this show because it's it's so it could never happened before like it's it's such a product of our time right now and it's the thing that I'm having a tough time with especially as an actor. Is that like no one's talking to each other weird like they're all in their own individual pods and talking to a screen and the screen is helping them communicate with each other and no one's riding emojis. I think that that could be the television. But guess what I know. There are so many times when I'm when I'm sitting there watching it. I'm like why am I enjoying the laws you into it and you just sort of like pick up the the cadence of like message that show. Yes hey hope you doing okay? After last night See you know. It's it's so strong at the end if you describe it to anyone they're like okay so it's people alone in a room talking to a screen. Exactly it sounds terrible. Awful but there's something it's so fascinating watching 'cause you know it's like it's it's the facebook or instagram version of survivor. Basically and I'm so obsessed with. I don't know anyone's names. I'm terrible with names but Su Su bomb she bomb and then the other woman. Who's Santa WanNA say no debt? What's her name? She has a Z in. Her name is eight here and yes yes I mean and again. I'm only halfway through the season so I don't even know who's coming up but like I am so obsessed with the two of them Just because for totally opposite reasons because like Shabaab is so genuine earnest and so just unapologetically himself. All the time and then Mercedes is like not Mercedes. I don't even remember what area Karen Slash Mercedes is like so real and her her reason for wanting to be. Mercedes like like when the guy gets voted off and he ends up going to see her because he wants to meet Mercedes and seeing him. React 'til I finding out Karen actually is and then letting her tell the reasoning for why she decided to be. Mercedes is so real and so heartbreaking and I it's just such like a great microcosm for like what's going on in the world right now but like rather than people fighting and rather backbiting and this stuff like it's actually just people trying to meet each other and understand each other and and discover each other which I think is so fascinating so cool. It's deeper than it seems it really is it. R- deeper than it has a right to be exactly right below your mind with something so you you know you know. La I know La Somewhat. Yeah Somewhat Joey. Works at oil can Harry's no he does not he does think works. Their Day has promised to go back. Obviously there's a police show press tour. That's going on right now. So for the moment he is quite busy but he has said that he will go back. Is I lived in? La For four hundred years of never been oil. Can Harry's and Dave you to hold me to this we must go. We're going when he's back. So can I hold you both to this? That the next time I go to L. 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Just fill out a questionnaire help them assess your needs and you'll get matched with a counselor. You will love better help DOT COM SLASH HOMO. A and we are back with Jordan Barber. Hi Hi Jordan. When you're not acting on Broadway what's happening in your dating life at the moment. Oh God oh we're going right into So just talk about this. I've kind of openly embraced Pommery now okay. Which has been new and exciting. And I. I have two guys that I've been seeing One his name is Jose he's lovely. He's the most wonderful man in the world and he's a stylist. He lives here and The other guy that I'm seeing is this actor Australian actor named grant and He's in and out a lot with work and life and stuff but Yeah the the dating life has actually been pretty good. I had a really intense relationship like five or six years ago. That like N did not so great. I was I was cheated on a in a pretty bad way. It kind of turned me off to the traditional model of relationships a little bit and also You know sort of what we were talking about earlier with regard to as gay people we sort of choose the families that we have And I just realized that like my friends or so so important to me and one thing that always happened when I would be in relationships or when my friends would be in relationships is you'd meet that other person and the friends would fall by the wayside and I got really tired of that because I realized that like I have a best friend named Mika. Mika Jennings is one of the most amazing actors in the world by But I have a best friend who He's kind of my life partner. And the the one thing that differentiates us from any other couples that we just don't have sex and I sort of got tired of the idea of needing to put him underneath everyone else in my life when I need to be needing to put him underneath the men that I was dating and so I just sort of developed a mentality that like no. I think I'm going to think of my relationships as kind of like sphere and I'm sort of in the middle of that sphere and you know they're sort of dots. That are closer to me. They're dots that are farther away but we're all sort of their together and all of those relationships have. I don't WANNA say equal importance but a certain level of importance. And you know like we all do we get different things from different people and I think it's I don't want to anyone who's found a life partner anyone who's a in a monogamous relationship I don't I'm not the type of person who who can find everything that I need in one person. I'm a very needy and demanding and difficult person so I'm a lot for one people to one person to handle. I'm a lot for two people to handle as well But you know I. I don't know what it's opened up for me is the ability to recognize that. I love the way I love and I express desire and affection. The way I express it. And it's it's it's kind of like a one day at a time kind of thing where I'm just sort of like. There is no model for this. I don't you know when you when you're doing the monogamous thing. You think years ahead like. Oh we're going to grow old together and we're GONNA die together or whatever. There's no model for this so it's scary at times and it's really weird and you know every day is a conversation with both. Jose and grant trying to navigate this But you know it's exciting and it's cool and it feels like I'm sort of carving my own path in the same way that I'm covering my own career path and sort of carbon my own romantic path as well. What what did did one come? I was Jose for so doing a show. And Jose Came to see it and we ended up chatting and we started dating and So that sort of took off the way it was and then grant I Cross each other's paths a couple months later and he and I sort of started talking his situations really complicated because he's actually from Australia. I won't give away too much of his life but he's got a lot going on in his life as well. So yeah it's been this weird thing where I'm sort of just navigating it day by day and so was the idea that you monogamous relationship and tell you meg Ryan and realize you didn't know I knew when I started. I knew before I started dating Jose that I've that I've been kind of thinking this for a few years now. The sort of traditional model of relationships or at least a monogamous relationship. I think just wasn't working for me and again there's absolutely no judgments or no criticism for anyone for whom that is what they want. But it just wasn't true me and I was never really feeling fulfilled or happy That's not to say that the men that I'm seeing right now are not fulfilling me. I mean they are. That's sort of why I'm remaining open to them. But it's just a way of of not putting I don't WanNa say not putting pressure on relationships because there's certainly expectations in there is pressure on these relationships away. There is with any relationship. But it's I think it just takes a lot of the the things that I don't feel have worked for me in the passes just trying to make it work for me now and who knows I eventually. I perhaps could decide with one of them that I want to be monogamous or I could decide that relationships in general are not for me anymore at all and I'm really trying to follow whatever path going on right now. Are you sorry if I'm asking too many questions about sort of the rules but I know I always just fascinated by kind of the logistics are? Do they know each other they do not okay. And that's by design kind of by design. I mean you know. There's there's been talks about whether or not we should all meet up and I just for for. There will probably come a day where they meet each other for right now. It's not really something that I think is necessary Yeah it's just sort of Yeah they don't try other other than the two of them. Are you open beyond that are you? Yeah you're able to sort of. Yeah I can continue. Seeing other people can see who? I want I want. I mean it's great as you can imagine right. Now it's really difficult juggling than Broadway show so it's it's kind of a lot and I'm not necessarily looking for anyone but like I said what the the mentality of it really is. Just trying to remain open to any and all things that life throws at you be that romantic. Be that career-wise. Be THAT ANY ANY DIFFERENT WAY. That that can manifest and so really. It's just me attempting to not put boundaries on myself not put rules on myself and trying to break free of a lot of like old. Hetero normative ideas of what a relationship is and what a relationship pass to be and you know a lot of people who think that I'm trashed and there are a lot of people think that like I'm That this doesn't make sense and it won't work and maybe it won't and maybe they're right but there's There's an interesting road that I'm on right now. I'm in my thirties. So I'm like I think I kind of have a sense of who I am and what I'm doing so yeah it's been interesting to walk in that path but the the rules that would define you as trash are based on ideals and ideas concepts that don't apply to. Us exactly exactly. I mean the the sort of yeah. I mean the the anyone that would call me trash for what I'm thinking right now is kind of. I think feeding into these old ideas that are established by Hetero normativity. And like you know this idea that like. Who can one thing? I've gotten a lot of people not a lot but some people have said you know we fought for marriage equality and we fought for this. And I'm like yeah absolutely we. We fought for marriage equality because civil rights. The thing that we should all have. It doesn't mean that I have to then commit to. It means that I should have the right just like you do to get married if I want to. I almost cursed. I'm sorry I don't know how to back. Yes okay fuck yeah okay But like you know my whole mentality of it is just like all the as a gay black person. All of the forms that are in place for me are all of the forms that are sort of in place have been established by whiteness and Hetero normativity really sort of the hedge hegemonic ideas of what we are socially and I'm just trying to break that down for myself again. I'm not saying anyone else needs to apply this to their way of life but I'm trying to get out of the mentality that says the way things have been as the way things should be and as long as I'm not hurting anyone as long as I'm not breaking any laws any reasonable laws. I think that I you know anyone that would call me. Trash is dealing with their own insecurity and dealing with their own bullshit and it's not really on me to take that on so you can call me trash if you want to. I. I've been called way worse and know their trash. It's to- it's one thing I've realised at this point in my life just getting to where I am at Lake. You know anyone that feels label your anyone. That feels the need to denigrate. Us doing it. Because they're they're riddled with insecurity and they don't understand themselves and so in order to better understand themselves they need to try and put you down and they need to try and rid a ridicule. You so to that I say fuck off and if you need to. That's fine I I don't give a shit so I can do and say whatever you want but I'm still gonna live the life that I'm living the way I want to live and I'm going to try as hard as I can to take care of the people that I love and take care of the people that I care about and do what I'm doing and breakdown all these fucking models of you know crap that of these models that have told me that I'm less than a man or that I'm less than a human or that. The way I love is sinful and I choose not to hear it. I choose not to live that life anymore. And it's given me a lot of agency and a lot more self esteem to be completely honest. I don't I don't hate myself anymore the way I did for a long time because all these structures that told me I wasn't good enough for that I wasn't that I was a center or that. I was an awful person or that I was dumb. I I just. Don't let them rule me anymore. So that's beautiful to do Oprah. I fix my life special. Which is another thing we could. I move on their casting by the way they're casting for now. Yeah Yeah I we should let her listen to this episode. Maybe she'll she have some thoughts or maybe she's going to be like can I? Can I can teach me something. I would love to hang out with the online John pollyanna week coach. Do you have a spiritual practice? I Don I four. I'm God that's such A. What is your relationship to religion? I grew up baptist. I grew up in a pretty I would say my immediate family was sort of like nominally. I don't WanNa say nominally Christian because my my parents are and my brother and his family are are I. I don't know if they all still go to church. I know my mom's still go to church but We were raised Christian. We were raised. You know which a lot of that is me in high school rebelling against or I want. I wasn't even rebelling at that point. It was me feeling so conflicted because I was understanding all these things about God and understanding how I fit into it and realizing that everything I was thinking feeling and doing was a sin and everything that I was everything that I was was hated in the eyes of God. You know and also you know like we. We worship Jesus Christ. That looks like Brad Pitt. I mean we worship of Jesus Christ with white skin and who flaxen hair and we're told that this is this is whose image we that God made and I don't look like that and I I got tired of feeling like I was crap and so I I think I over very long period of time developed this idea that I need to sort of go my own way and I think I got out of the idea of religion in. Creationism was a big part of it. Because I just couldn't believe in it especially in the face of evolution and I started to answer your initial question I sound so gooby of me and my group I mean Gwyneth paltrow but it sounds so like new agey. I kind of believe in energy I believe in. I believe that there are. I don't believe that there's anything in the world that can't be understood. That doesn't mean that we can understand it. There are so many things in the world in the universe that we are outside of the capacity of our understanding them. That doesn't mean that they don't have a logic or that they don't have a rationale to it. The idea of of God and I don't want to offend anyone but like the idea of God is inherently illogical right and it's it it supposes a level of belief in it supposes a BA- level a level of faith that I think is really beautiful and admirable to anyone that has it. It's just not for me. It's just not I really tried to let logic and reason rationality guide the way I think and I said so in that regard and I try to. I try to use the idea of like you know matter is neither created nor destroyed so all all the things that we have today have been around since the beginning of time and they will be until the end of time and that is something that we can understand and that is something that is to a certain extent tangible. But it's also something. That's totally understandable. What's the word I'm looking for? It's totally something that we can't even thank you something. That's totally incomprehensible it. Something we can't fathom so that for me is religion. That for me is spirituality. This idea that there is. We have all the tools of the world at our disposal right now. We don't understand them all. We won't understand them all boat. We could understand them and someone or something could understand it and for a lot of people may be that idea is God and maybe that is what their faith and religion are which is why the last thing I would ever want to do is disrespect anyone's faith or belief system. I just think that I've decided to call that thing. That thing is my sort of spirituality that that idea that the world can be understood but we won't necessarily understand it's an unsolved mystery. Yeah we're comfortable like the show. I used to watch the nineties. My mom unsolved mysteries religion song. Let the mystery be from Iris. Dement oh yeah no did pull it up on your on your spotify or apple music. The second thing for US Dave. This various immerse singer for us. I'm not going to do. That is also the theme song from the leftovers. That show was my religion. Okay see I watched the first two or three episodes of that show and it was not getting into it and I love Damon Lindelof. I love lost. Oh my God watchmen is the best thing. I think I've ever seen ever Speaking of like mainstream television especially for a black person that show the things. Have you seen it? I'm like halfway through but have you seen it. I did it all now. Oh my God the second you get home. I'll I'll look up the song that you just told Cup. If you start watching watchmen. Can we agree on that? It's a it's a. It's a deal so I don't remember the name of the song but I remember it would be less. Let the mystery be led the mystery. Be Okay you asked me what I was watching. Watchmen is something that I I think everyone in the world needs to watch it deals with the the The nine hundred twenty one massacre in Oklahoma that no one talks about but history has sort of. I won't say forgotten but you know we you know it was. It was a massacre of a black town. A Black Wall Street the successful black community that was destroyed. Because why people didn't like it basically and you know to have that you're launching point for a show about like sort of latter day superheroes foes superheroes. It's just brilliant. And and then the way it weaves black legacy Black history into the show the way the origin story of the have you gotten to that episode the or destroy of hooded justice. No I won't ruin anything but the way it leaves in the history of the KKK the history of racism in this country. It uses All of that to establish a black superhero that is as a black person who has often felt overlooked and under seen. It was such a powerful moment of like. Oh I'm seeing right now and and you know there's elements of clearness there's elements of Black Women with Regina King are given such a great Platform to show a a multitude of ideas and and different ways than what? We've just always seen with regard to black people. It's just it's the most amazing show. I think I've ever seen I don't know how we got on that. And I Apologize Leftovers. Damon. Yes so that's what I was saying. I there was. I watched the first episode or something or two episodes and there was a scene where they like stoned a woman to death who was smoking and like. I was just like. I don't know if I'm feeling this but then everyone told me that's like oh you got to stick with it though especially the next couple of seasons. Yes so good. He's pretty profound. And and Dowd and Carrie coon and this cast is just incredible. But Yeah it's not a fun ride now. It's like everything I was fearing about the inheritance. All exactly what you would experience. I would say it's Yeah. It's everything you get with regard to the inheritance. It's everything you think like the leftovers is going to be. But it's like so it's so fun and lights in in many regards and then it's really having intense other regards. I can't wait. I have to check out the leftovers. I will definitely give that another shot because all really good things. They've all got homework. Yes we do. We'RE GONNA discuss it on the dance floor at Oil Cantieri while line dancing Jordan. Thank you so so much for doing this. Thank you. What a joy. Thank you so much Nigel Campbell. Who connected us with you? Thanks Nigel jokes. I love you and you have to come and be on the show soon And Yeah I'll see you on stage Sunday all right. I'll see you. Then thank you for listening. Thank you to everybody here at here. Wolf thank you to rank honor thanks to Chelsea in the booth today. Thank you can you? Lucas and to Hannah CRICHTON Thank you Ben. Wise for the music Thank you listener We sure would love it if you would rate and review us On Apple PODCASTS. Definitely helps us the word out time stars in Queens and go to PAT's bag dot com and you can get your home affiliate swag you can get swag for all your other favorite shows and take a picture of yourself. 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The Hype Queue for Classic

The Frazley Report - Your Weekly World of Warcraft News

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Hype Queue for Classic

"The fresno report a short broadcast asked by me the awesome about the world of warcraft so classic at arriving next week august twenty six th at three p._m. Pacific or minute on the twenty seventh if you're in the e._u. Do you know who can give us an update on the curtroom populations. That's right the round list. That's called for the ram almost say rome list row last round this list yeah so everybody have become very populated. Buzzard is urging players to not ruin herod. You awesome chaudhry you as they are very very populated. If you own a home it may be an extended q at launch so there's some new p._v._c. realms was to offset the demand hennessy you pharma you blood louis u._s. Pacific time assyria knee wanted common suggested we call it blew me. Oh oh each time scaring you time so those are the people who are excited in the high. Acrostic is amazing so go out and preserve deserve. You names see you as many of you. We see a lot of me. Why you wait in queues thank you. Almost you could says the hype is electric boogie woogie okay. We'll let that one slide adding a keyring to classic after launch so according to cover on my head these lost one point eleven so it was part of classic scott confused with burning crusade slash wrath and our memories and while it always reports there will not be an armory or profile page support at wild classics launch these weren't added added into bernie crusade but it does not one feature that blizzard maybe adding the future while viewed the team in may and it was an idea that they were thinking about before i go. I got them fashion. Newsman mccain's of a walker they brought up a tweet that they saw by at twenty eight goes on twitter reminding everyone that barbour's wasn't added until raffles king people wanted wanted to look good for taking on the king and i see mainsail of post by reddit user are tim maverick that talks about getting rid of the protruding bones on forsaken icy veins notes that the only downside is it removes all the other bones in game beauty come with a price. There's no bones about it and goblin and work and have gotten some very very unfortunate news. Their hair armor will not be part of a point to point five which will be introducing their new models. This is rather sad news to hear after we've all been excited for the models and the armor now i have the scoop though on the reason why the reason why the taylor's that are preparing the suits won't have them ready in time for the packs of organ that we wanting their armor plus. They're trying to make sure can sustain being ripped apartment. They transform as well as seeing if they can keep the hair off the clothes you ever tried having a cat or dog around close so so hard to keep the hair away and you might be asking. Why can't the goblins get their armor spin. Their armor was using a new type of material exploded and tests gaba stuffed. Usually louis does so sadly the pari once for two point five. I've been canceled now by kane. Let me go visit storm win for free t-shirts day last week. Report were coming in that people were grief in the area where the free t shirts were being dropped. I can confirm the briefing in the horn players. I gotta tons a few or trampled on by yaks and hunter pets. It's but my bags were overflowing. I didn't make his own the vendors but always next year and leo al told me about a new vendor booty bay of appear at an eight point to skin me own coat to before they sell the shirts were five hundred gold or they are free if you make it there on a free t shirt day at a lot going on. I do not know about this until sunday well l. that will do it for today. What was your favorite news this week. I like that part too so until next time be be awesome. The frazzle report is a fan podcast that covers blizzard games. We are not affiliated with wizard entertainment inc. Views expressed by the host and guests are their own with the art music and sound effects come from wizard games and our own closer entertainment inc. No copyright infringement is intended. This show is brought to you by how to find. Jogging pow would studio dot com.

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796 - River Mills, Windmills, Ratio, and Rates | The Adventures of Dr. Triangle and Isosceles #2

Sleep With Me

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796 - River Mills, Windmills, Ratio, and Rates | The Adventures of Dr. Triangle and Isosceles #2

"<music> levi's gentlemen boys and girls does in friends beyond as a by mary. It's time for the podcast or who'd help <hes> really. That's really why i'm here most here to over explain it <hes> so i'm trying to think of a way to over. You know i'm here to assist <hes> it gets more assists than help or <hes> be be of service sube over explain the system by over explaining. You could call me the anti condo if you want to believe me because before four. I'm not the anti lake <hes>. I don't know what you know what i am just here to tell you bedtime story. Keep keep you company because the center for sleep with me podcast to put you to sleep. Hey everybody. I just want to thank everybody who wants to show directly and everybody that supports the podcast through the dispensers. You're the ones that bring us this show. We try to have an amazing collection sponsors. 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These are your nana rain report reportings burgeon support the sponsors. You can find anything you see with with me and we're so proud dancing to be part of fail presents with these <music>. Thanks mr barbour. I'm dear scooter on twitter and instagram. That's where you'll find me. <hes> in you know you listen to sleep in me and you're smart speaker. Don't forget that you just say hey smart speaker. They play the play the most recent album episode of sleep with me or sleeping me podcast and then say hey smart speaker sleep timer for whatever forty five ninety whatever five hours whatever you wish is easy way to listen to the show so he ended that shit what you say we get on with the show you all night tossing turning angry racing trouble getting triple sayings sleep sleep with me podcasts. It puts you to sleep. Uh bedtime story you need to do is get embiid. Relates impressed flavor to do the rest what i'm going to attempt to do drita safe blace could set aside whatever's keeping awake whether it's nazi you know say things you're thinking about thoughts feelings of physical sensations travel you know stuff like so if things on your mind the things on your list or things that you know things that are relisted something physical something you feel. You know feelings for me a lot of times dot. It's a combination and those were the lines blur. We're all you know one big. They try to tell that to all the personalities inside macy. Aren't we walked one big happy family in here. I don't know if i've ever actually said that but one day i would like to achieve that level of self enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is who wanna say self enthusiasm again because it gives me a lake <hes> anyway. I get a if you knew. Maybe i come back to that. I don't know if <hes> what am i gonna do send my voice across the deep dark night. I'm gonna use lowing soothing. Curricula dulcet elsa tones pointless meanders superfluous tangents which you just witnessed and in the was instantaneously is spontaneously dangerously superfluous. Wow this gave ever said those two words together. They just kind of fit eight really hope. I could get like a broadway variety show also get talent ability to sing and dance agency scoots barbara here. Was this next number a <hes> <hes> who spontaneously <hes> what did i say superfluous. <hes> is actually will bar. That was a superfluous. It's superfluous. Barbara says nasa de barbara in which i tried to get bet but she was unavailable. You're okay so emma. Semi voice deep durkin allowing soothing crooked elsa tones and trying to create a safe place or a safe <hes> if friendly situation even if you're new it's net interest in tintin indian teniente when term teacher marked at eh paper indentation ius they said you over because i was trying to get fifty pages out of a thirty page paper so i tried to invent everything saying that no double indentation. He said that was in detaineees. Maybe i don't know maybe maybe i imagined that one but a woman to do <music>. I'm here to keep you company. If you're new despite guess isn't instantaneous and what i mean by that is it takes a few tries. If you're new for a lot auto listeners to the podcast is a bit different but even for most i mean there are similar centers where the podcast works pretty cool quickly because it's part of their routine gene but they took time to develop rate <hes> so our relationship won't be you know some people to instantaneous <hes> like my teacher. They say a a. Give this podcast in f- or <hes> an an i needs improvement emotion podcasts world. It's like well. This isn't for me. If only i get those emails. I think those people are so well. Just did they say oh. This podcast isn't for me. I'll just move out and in do to have safe for the people that don't make that choice but they say new despite cast in lake <hes> it's beyond needing improvement you could go to sleep with me. Podcast dot com slash no thank you but what was i saying so give it a few tries but also the structure of the show like you shows that it's an ah instant <hes> thing so we start off with a few minutes of business so we keep the podcast free for everybody and then there's a <hes> <hes> intro now the intros lake is show within a show. It's about twelve to fifteen. Minutes of me can't explaining what the podcast is slowly in never clearly being able to achieve that but it's also for regular listeners. It's kind of ideally part of their wind down routine where you could start listening before you get in bed. Were right when you get in bed as your easing in. You know getting comfortable getting cozy or you know you could be. Here's the thing you could like you could start it when you're brushing your teeth and stuff in the other room because you're not gonna miss too much but whatever works like <hes> now. They've been doing this for our however many years six six years. I've seen a lot of people you know. Some people skip the intro a few percentage points of people they just skip ahead to eighteen or twenty minutes and then start there or they listen to 'em. Patronage is listen story only versions and some people fall asleep the first few minutes and then some people ease away into bed time they fall asleep during the story. Some people listen all night. You know some people turn the podcast on in the middle of the night they don't start tonight tonight with the podcast and the rar listeners ellison during the day to kind of unwind or tubby <hes> you know i it's it's it's a bit different but reasonable intros kind of long and meandering is he gives you plenty of room to drift off so there's the intro dinner there's some business which we in the intro and the show and then there's <hes> episode tonight it'll be our episodically modular series <hes> which the working titles adventures doctor triangle an isosceles end is should it'll be like you could listen in any order order. I think this'll be the second episode and then there'll be some dank us at the end of the shows should structurally how the show is made. What else do you need to know if your new. I'm glad you're here. That's one thing and lake. I hope this can help you. Ain't you do deserve a good night's. Sleep a <hes> and that's why maker show <hes> other things no. You don't need to listen to me. You may have already figured that out but <hes> you know i tend and meander attended to go off topic. My logic is ya each neither logical or illogical. It's a it's. It's like it's like a spiro gyro or something. He see his biggest. It's like his logic has been scr is scribble instead okay. That's it. It's may wanna may top five podcasts scribble cast a podcast about <hes> scribbling lie scribbled scribbled <unk> logic and things interesting scribble logic irs <hes> <hes> also script notes is ahead of that. I guess i listen to that when i because he'll have john and craig egg <hes> but so we're was oh so you don't need to listen to me. Also there's no pressure to fall asleep. This is a little bit <hes> and i know it to counter counter clockwise but like a this is a bad case to be here as you fall asleep. Sleep it to keep you company as you drift off that i can be at your side walking talking in then you enter jeff. You know we often dreamland but if you can't sleep i'm dedicated to you whether fall asleep in two minutes or you're here to the very the end <hes> so i'll be here to the end of the episode and then there's episodes after episodes four you it because they know sometimes you just need a friend in the deep dark night in some sense of that's really what the podcast is about like at bedtime. She said well. We still got a friendly lake. My bore bud scoots his waiting for me and you know you had a rough day being human out there and for me at least you could have a rough day being a human then you lie down in like. I said they'd like for me. A have what i call brain bent says they're different. Parts of my personality or is different. You know i dunno. Servewell voices are would whatever you wanna call it in issues. My head is stability. Say what are the. What were you thinking nights a win. Well let me get out my list and he said well. I saw we agreed to were working together. One the ship that everybody works together either on floats well will no one ever said danton. There's a good reason why is he okay. Why just wanna get some sleep actually had a long day. Oh oh yeah. I was watching all day long. You know could you if you're doing better. Today would have been shorter. I know but i'm just ready to go to bed now in <hes>. I think it'd be good for all of us. If you know snuggle. What would you say we snuggled together and get a good night's sleep because we're kind of a team right we in in the end. We really love each other and we're all in this together. Lake day like i said row boat without oars is just floating. What did did you get a <hes>. A waterlogged copy of bartlett's familiar quotations yet did actually it was it was coffee logged not waterlogged waterlogged. That's why my quotes or so off. Today really got me there so anyway. What do you think about that. How 'bout you come in here for a hug in we we you know we don't have to snuggle. We just lie and well. What about that silly podcast or you know what if we listen to him instead we could all lie here together header in observe him and then i'll take that would take my mind off of stuff. I don't know about you. Let sounds sweet to me is just sweet is the t. e. In boat that's rowing as teamwork does okay wench. Put away that cough. You logged bartlett's familiar quotations the occas a e abraham lil- lillian that did that <hes> okay. Let's great so tell me about this. Sleep add gas world's aski- he save you familiar guy. You might be familiar with them. He's a <hes> he tells the story i he does. This intro re tries to explain with tyrod cast is and you know because a lot of people they have these really smart. Well adapted parts of them. They can't have like the reunion function in they tend to get bedtime because there's you know because they finally there's finally a quiet moment they they want to get some attention and he gives it believe me he gives so so much attention. He said <hes> holy cow male adjusted. He said one time that they could see he. He said hale adjusted you because that's why i think it's in this book. This coffee log to the show is let me get straight guy that that made a podcast to entertain us the bird the great unappreciated brain and personality parts of the world yeah he i think he said you're you know you put the humanity and humanity in show. He makes a show just to kinda. Take your mind off you know because you have a tough job and so he said i want take your mind off. They don't wanna be your bore bud and illit everybody. Kinda give snuggled in bed and get comfortable double in just can relax into saudi say we do that with our human. Just kinda kick back. Well lake said idea so what's he gonna talk about well more or less not much you know he. He talks about stuff. It's kind of interesting but then it's also you're like yeah. Don't know <hes> some of them about <hes>. There's like a triangle scientists in a saas. Something sounds you sound so so you're right. It sounds kinda interesting great l. c. in a few minutes. You get comfortable so this this show in that's kind of like <hes> a wish. I could have that conversation with myself in night. <hes> and that's what i'm here for is to do that for you to be your boyfriend to be your board bud and and to keep you company because do deserve to believe you deserve a good night's sleep so if you knew give show tries to you know see if it works and the end <hes> that's it it really glad you're here a really appreciate your time and it worked very hard in strive. 'cause wanna help you fall asleep and here's a couple of ways. We keep a show agoin already. Everybody is sam talk about our sponsor. 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Oh it takes place in a world in net like ours but is seem ursa different time line or different time in like <hes> not too much of a leap the free to imagine especially at bedtime imagine world where math has diminished powers and mass principles in the under the underlying principle says bit support mass or depend on my ass have gone away from earth or no longer function improperly that is a world. Our story takes place in so world a little bit <hes> it may be in the future but it feels like it's in the past. You know a lot of things like <hes> at least from the fiction. I'm seeing the store you know electrcity. Nah you know without it's out mass or some fundamental mass principles pretty tough to have electricity also please you probably probably in this fictional world and a lot of other things now not all mass is gone in some areas are more impacted by. I guess you'd say amen liquor scoots can you give it to me in two words e. l. i. five for whatever in say math outages said you'd i'd say well. This town has a total mass outage. Where are our town has a partial math outage serious diminish math capacity across the whole role of what once was the united states media power and stuff like the head <hes> anything you know the ones zeroes uh-huh. Do you know those aren't always based on mass. You know be who you know. What i mean is so we live in a post to you like your time. I'm after this <hes>. If you're saying really trying to get me to my nail down and explain it to you like a lake can camila. It's the middle ages but a post modern middle age old boy does capture it you know in a sleepy bedtime way in you know a lot of things have been broken into smaller communities like you'd see city states. <hes> hold fasts in ashby secretly it now our heroes stack triangle an isosceles while they might consider themselves heroes at math heroes <noise> the the great goddess of mass as shots has assign them tasks them with travelling the country and ed restore restoring mass principles <hes> investigating what's missing. I guess that's a and you know she's gaddis addis. She'll she has got his powers which is also up against another gaddis which got here. I which you've seen more of movies. It's not a big stretch. You say like t._j. Weser whatever came to our planet and said well snappy snappy do they. <hes> you know i got those stones recent stuff. <hes> this particular ones that will blake who google google goo one plus two a a big jewish. Do is a kind of summary. If you suspending your disbelief a here we have heroes. We have the power of the goddess. She's given them salesman's to conduct. It like to go to communities. You'll see in the story but basically it's procedural. Episodically modular agile is so they'll go to a town and try to restore the mass principles <hes> anything it's it is this new like this happens sometimes with these episodes new narrator staking over <hes> from here on out for this series association great news for me because i was narrating previously and it will look in a narrator voice in they said scoots were sub in somebody ready in for you so it's <hes> so it's a series of adventures adapter triangle an isosceles in here's our good friend antonio bandera on darris here to introduce it episode as is the latest decision is voice ago since we on the binary is time for the adventures attacked triangle die socities aw at my. I don't have a mass like soundbites. Liz theory is very could you give give just one other. Take that it's not as quiet may have to cut that takeout o._s. Great direction especially when you're directing me to be quiet white okay just give one more take and then you can go lie down and listen to me record a show. That's our new thing right with misuse off my friend. Yeah also put like i put pillowcases on the pillows because your hair is so <hes> lak- voluminous <hes> is just a little bit too jarring for me in my own bed to see antonio banderas hairs in my bed head you know it's just it's just a it's it's just to understand is the ladies and gentlemen boys. Girls have friends beyond the bay near eastern time for the adventurous purpose of dr triangle isosceles do do okay gain actually sing. Neither boso's like like for mystery the adventure so dr triangle and i saw sali's perfect that's antonio banderas. This is adventurous dyke triangle when i saw sally. Thanks hello everyone. I'm ada. I'm gonna be your new narrator from now and and i know just eight a weekend and narrator. Are you in. I'm actually aid if you met me in the world who i'm who i am <music>. I'm a mule. I'm i attacked triangle an isosceles mule in. I'm telling you everything that happened. As it happened and you know this is is live written. Re live <hes> waco record like you know. This is me explaining. It and you may say i i'd ada ada. Aid is my name aim siruma mule so no remember everything <hes> you could call me. You could call me aita al feel all writer but <hes> yeah i'm. I'm mitch. They've never met a talking mule before and say well. You know the various gadgets in kansas in this world who may want to watch over the people serving. Bring her where i may just be talking mule that doesn't talk except when i'm narrating stories so i'm ada police to meet you and and this is a episode in here's here's a situation we've been walking for a while traveling in which walking for me they they say trading or whatever to me just walking you know working into the mission given to us by the shatt winky winky not a there's this fertile river valley. We've been traveling towards a windy hills into ah like a really powerful river running through it. Were not that far down. From mountains abbott this is fertile river overvalued and the river travels <hes> for further across what was the states and this value is known as one of the great bread-baskets. Ask schizo has been throughout history. Though referral dime there was other parts of the states that had to you know more popular bread-baskets baskets. This has always been a popular area for growing grains in in other staples of <hes> staples not staple so for those who from previous incarnations of earth in even it the beginning eh after the end of mass as it's called even though it's not totally accurate his scooter kinda presented is this valley is the power of the river is the fertile valley in the wind and the hills were essential. Thing and trade has gone on in this valley since you know ooh rebuilding in in things have gone on is this river began to be aligned with old fashioned dude say walk river mills so war with water wheels and windmills up in the hills which meant that nuno just down the valley roll. The grains range are grown degrades could come up in. They would actually be pupil pulled by mules at times. We'll time suzy's you to bring them by land. It's not that far end. The grain and other things would be ground in the river mills in the windmills. People people figure figured that out but recently the supplies of grains were slowing slowing slowing and they came to stop <hes> in communication is not been good or you know. It's great you know his trade is the downriver shipments of grain staff to in answer to the fields of drain. These people we have a whole store has full of unprocessed grain it was it's been a a bit of a domino effect in has is shadows trying to stake a foothold in meat issue people so you know we want people who are getting their staples end so dr a d- wrangle in isosceles of incentives to find out worse of flour where you know where where where's the rest of our the staples and essentially his who like you know and i turn it over because as just stay drinking is pretending to drink from a trough in talking to you. We've been sitting here in yet another town square so many towns too so many squares. This is more around a town round. It's round me in my opinion. Here comes a deck triangle and i saw sleeves both facing in opposite directions. I mean we're like a each past nunu lak- the sun is no longer in the much past. Noon is realized realized that <hes> i don't know a went and looked at if you see you've seen the who pursue what does the is the council planner whatever no-one seen them. They say he went all the way to the office. They said <hes> they left to to make meeting eating at noon in a said but you know oh this is why would you be to be on time so i'm still not sure like how this whole things works with to who so they see these you you don't know how these are talisman caesar charm bracelets and charm necklaces okay. It's simple lake. We have to uncover as the mri. It's a specificity. Whatever the magic is the anti mass magic. That's being wet. We've danish growing in power. My understanding is we have to uncover is a missing principle fairly exactly it because if it was worded spell or something again it's a it don't totally follow it. Well how do even discover what exact max mass the principle is. We'll figure that out but then we use the talisman sick who responded to the principal we say the principal you know we say the words that were spoken to us in the name of shot and we have to figure what we basically have to figure out why where's the flower our into the other staple said wise in a flowing. Were not going to get anything done unless this bureaucrat kits here okay so we basically have to figure this out. We should stay. We could ask well the who let me know who's going to say we could. We could do a show. We could do a workshop show like a series of shows <hes> to show here. Come somebody it. Oh hello you're era contact correct we we'd said noon. This is like <hes> would ever heard so much pass noon. I know you're sorry but well we were thinking is means to serve distracted because it went to your office says did you. You did you you terribly sorry. It will just like to know. Did you have something better to do. Oh you miscalculated how long it would take to get here because it only took me. Did you get lost. Okay just miscalculated. You just don't know if that's such a funny word to use it. 'cause you're but we're we're going to try to do a show. Could we do some shows at dusk over the next couple of nights <hes> evenings okay so we'll do some shows at dusk it as what we're going to do. We're going to entertain a realize you know. Would we're here just to help end <hes> to to have fun so we're gonna do some shows says so. If you could spread the word to your town through your sounds people will be here at dusk. It's a free show. Normally normally we charge. We're you know we're work shopping new show so <hes> we'll see you at dusk. I hope i hope you'll be here at dusk at dusk. Uh when the sun such as it is a horizon <hes> <hes> let's dusk or a little bit after banat night or even not even evening dusko gaelic sunset. I guess they could be when we're do. You know the people be getting okay. You understand great. Hello everyone this is ada again. You friend so dr triangle an isosceles surgery. Get ready for the show. <hes> win started to discuss <hes> what basic workshops techniques ooh u's pulling people out of the audience quizzing them about their lives. <hes> it doing a little improv seeking to get a feel for the town they had planned then <unk> out <hes> they had a small meal in anticipation shen of working in indus- came into this evening am not the town square circle was said very empty and they waited in a few people <hes> walked by end corruptive from does son said her to dusk to deep husky may call it which they said okay still deep dusk. Maybe this is in then it would let into evening and night in we had quite a trampled day so be sure to to get there and get everything set up for noon in show dr triangle in both very tired too so they get in the way again and even i went to sleep. I i was awoken is people started to gather in the square but they were quite tired so quickly. They realized there was no show. There wasn't much of a hubbub because people were just kind of drizzling in in descending would go into the morning came in both actor triangle. Nice socities were kreuger frustrated. The city official returned. They said she's woulda seducing town ru. They had many series of a thought. We had a show set for dusk in being of hubbub so then they said a. you see they said okay maybe they do. They conferred as they made the city official way to kind of pay a little bit. You know to make them wait. <hes> they use so you know time-honored strategy for people to have trouble being in time in the day said okay. We're going to do a show today. It did it between noon halfway between noon in dusk <hes> he and then they went in his sipping eh and that is where we are almost at dusk in town squares nearly full i think because so so word word of mouth said miss the show you know she's many people here. Everyone here looks a little a little bit a little bit fuzzy. You know they they they're obviously they have you know we're we're here to get to the bottom of things though i'm just here to narrate and not interfere fear in any way which is who you know who i am you know the joy of the is this just a barrosa go by mule eight of the mule. That is what they call me they do the two of them talked me no more about either one of them than they know about themselves and so a is there they go. They're calling to grad hit. Low of ruin. Welcome to our show is so good to see you here right an ready to start <hes> show good you get the memo. We're going to be doing free workshops here. We're going to do another show tomorrow to due to figure out what our big show is <hes> but i am i saw sali's and this is my partner in in play a <hes> dr triangle. Hello everyone in. We're here to show. Could i have a volunteer from the audience. <hes> okay issue you. Would you join me your thank you. Hello hello in. What is your name. Okay say have a seat here. We've got a chair for you and you live in nearby. Who's a round round. Not far okay and we house your house your evening and afternoon going okay yes so <hes> this is this. So what were you going to do. Here is <hes> you're familiar with the way the sun travels across the sky saying okay so the sun starts a i want you to view the stage chairs at the back of the stage a imagine that you familiar with the idea the of the sun travels across the sky right chacha from all the way sun rises in the east and sets. It's in the west so i want you to look over there and imagine that the sun rises and then follow it as it sets okay okay and i want to watch it. This is this is this is part of a this is part of a performance <hes> finding finding a way to what performance would show we will build for all of you tomorrow as show bit the same time so be here just to the between just two between <hes> halfway between noon and dusk you all seem to have the ability to kind of blankly role with whatever okay so you're watching the sun traveling the sky and it could see you making the motion from side to side even luneau. Some sun only travels one way leaving her net some sage circassian tyrone. I i know some just being funny okay now. I want you to think in your mind about what is your favorite part of the day say they kind of rhymes to okay pitcher in mind pitcher. How feels imagine you're somewhere. Where are you. Oh behind your home and where's the sun is <hes> who okay right. There is about two looks like about that would be called two p._m. Not quite halfway between newnan dusk but almost for this time of year okay and you're standing i and your yard or the sun is shining and new into which i'm a day would say already planted that the idea in your mind right jay. It were excuse me my partner dr triangles leading them. You'd leading them. We're mckinney guinea information. You're just deleting them where you want them to go. I know what i'm doing. Well just feel so he. You're already enriched can collusion in. You're using them to reach the conclusion okay but it's a conclusion that you've already established to right but that's not gonna get us any answers if we're just just keep going because enemy even know where to go with this okay sure about that. I'd say back now and you're just enjoying that two p._m. Son were imagining let police in the sky would be cold at two pm. If we're in the age of kulaks in yes <hes> i want you to read it. Oh norm going doing this. I want you to stand up in. I want you to make a shape with your body and stand on that. Two pm slot <hes> <hes> his. It's <hes> or you some sort of a year to keep the birds out of your day kind of thing. I like that you're saying okay just stand. There's a great job okay now. I need someone <hes> in from the audience to look at time of day in ndadaye to see if you could think about something you might be doing at that time a day search pictured in your head as you think okay. It's fast the high point of the sun. Which who's we do still call noon <hes> some states honda sparta today but most of us know it could still get warmer. Our son has completed its pinnacle of its arc in the sky. Some of these germs are realized say you know i have a i may be an unfamiliar to your years so we may not even hear them. We're new to this form of performance you. We used to do a show. Sorry off-topic everybody. We used to do a show that was made of may we just <hes> poked fun at mass. <hes> aca triangle was a math experts in i was person driven by the principles of mass fury ego it you know how you know handsome handsome dashing and finance you play different roles sounds like a better show you right this workshop up technically. It's free now to show so you're getting to see us crafting new material for free also so there was no one here to show last night that we did. I don't know where any of you were if you didn't get if if you're waiting for the reviews or what but anyway actually the practice year who has <hes> something that he do afternoon <hes> <hes> but before half afternoon or halfway to dusk which is a principal you seem to barely grasped <hes> because they did say we did say be here halfway. We didn't say half afternoon because i thought that might be confusing but we did tell all of you to come halfway between noon. Indus- issue dave could could have just have volunteer thank you. Could you come up here. Could you stand halfway okay. I'm gonna put you here actually your noon right in the center stage <hes> and and not that far away from you is as the great job that you you could relax. You don't have to stay in that character pose okay so this is an halfway through the day right here well. What is your name. Gertrude excellent gertrude. Now gertrude is noon as a is to were saying the time emma day when it is nicely warmed over in the back of the house <hes> enjoying the sun okay sheldon could have have yet another volunteer. Okay come on up okay. You'll you'd prefer night okay. You don't have to talk get all. I'd like to scan volunteer. That knows what they want. Now i would like you own a doctor triangles and you're saying zhang <unk>. We're here to gather. Knowledge is just a workshop. Okay one second be right with you even though you're quiet anyway you're you're doing a great job though very. What is it okay a following what you're doing. I think we need one more set thing thing and then conduct your experiments. I've just been buying time and like i'm just a little bit for working and more shopping is to rem. I i'm still thinking about that. They can't be on time so it's just kind of trying to work through that <hes> so i've just been making it up okay. We'll put them at dusk usc just exact sunset okay great ideas so i'm going to. I'm going to bring you over here. In as we think about the traversing the center the sky all the way to side to the stage embiid away from say but not too far is when the sun has sunk right below the horizon the beginning of dusk which was the time show suissa start less evening. We did hear some of you walking in and out of the square <hes> but we knew eight our meal is very very sharp so we didn't we didn't stir from our sleep except to anyway so this is <hes> dusk this. This person represents the time. The show started to see evening in was scheduled for yesterday in now. Could i have one more volunteer. You're ready to come up. Okay and i would like you now once again. Let we just look over hookah dr triangle saying go forward to i would like you. Oh you say who would is your name franny korea to france. I would like you to find a spot between the show is close to the time. The show was was supposed to start this evening which is half way between the high point of the sun. Also also called noon also represented right here at center stage and dusk over here. Now is say es. Would we want to call it accord well. We can't use his you. Can't you don't know any of those words. Sir establishments really do work. They do give us clear sorry. I'm confusing you people but i'm just with the workshop you know i'm just using theater terms nothing. That's why either falling on your ears so strangely when i say quarter you think that's what it is no okay so don't be mixed just a biennial zeh which see if you can find have the halfway point of time of passing of the sun it between at dusk over here in noon right here halfway between those two issues wins show is scheduled to to his workshop. We kind of had feeling none of you would be on time. Get going a little harder. Okay okay go ahead. Go ahead and see if you can find your way there for any no no no. I'm not supposed to interrupt <hes> no. I can't show you how to get there. Are you you directionally. No one of these spots <hes> echo okay good. Do you halfway between <hes> eh. This nice acquired this nice quite volunteer here in this nice phone tear here okay okay. We could frame refrains just up moving round who you are go. Could you okay dr tranquil. Stick with me here the french could you point me where you are going away right there. Yes a bid to the to the side of zeh almost almost a year. Would you say that between okay okay. Why don't you go ahead and head over there right now. Okay but you're not directly there. Yes just well. We never mind go to that spot now. Okay should this is <hes> against. It is our workshop for the evening is the police is still have to deliver for something. Okay one everyone onstage. Did you think about where they are in relation to the sun gotten into about where they would be in what what they would be doing those who you that identify with the post of the dusk scrooges post sunsets pitcher where you are whom you're with what you're doing. Yes nice in those of you that later here halfway between <hes> with rainy. What are you doing. You know not quite for not quite time to stop <hes>. Oh yes yes which you those of you here with today. In those of you here at noon to high point of today the issue may be having your midday break <hes> okay and think about those things in think think about those into then be here tomorrow same time <hes> he for one wash suzhou. We'll do another show. Thank you for being a part of our workshop very very good great. How about a round of applause for volunteers aimed very good job but indeed d two great job. Everybody thank you okay. Yes we'll see you tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you oh you said yes a._m. I'm isosceles a a very nice ilias. You you go. We'll take a hug from you. Thank you say thank you thank you very much. Okay issued <unk>. Excuse you'll have to excuse me. I know who have many fans that want to meet isosceles or anyone for dr triangle okay good. We'll do maybe tomorrow after the show. Would he say we usually we like to sit down with the community in the hostess for meal. Does that sound appealing to all of you and then you could chat and you could see could see coast isosceles or dr triangle but right now we have because this is a workshop. We have to confer auto artiste in and maybe we'll do little to tomorrow. Maybe we could do some humor based on you know okay. Thank you for wool. Enjoy eating with you after our show which is halfway between noon. You know be here on time halfway between noon and dusk. Thank you good day okay. What do you think i don't know <hes> more confused who you're studying at those who would use ince i was trying to a maybe they're messing. Maybe they could be messing with us. I think i don't think so i think it was it was <hes> it was just time no because they understand the concepts you her her revealing to me was franey knew where it was so they can use sun time <music>. I'm end you know. Some of them still have remnants. If i mean maximum mathematical time is impossible mechanical time. I'm just thinking they have all these windmills and you know the cycle in a favorable basis <hes> in that principle still all that is still possible here like would is diminished principle. That's the camp. They can't be on time but it's a understand time but if something says he couldn't get couldn't get <hes> gr- couldn't grasp where to go how to get there or were. We have a gnat directionality because still could point is ahead of <unk>. Who's like leading like a cat with a string. Oh would you mean oh. I think like a have an idea for tomorrow. Shall bill okay. Let's tomorrow show. Let's say let's go rest okay. Let's <hes> ada. We're going to we're going to 'em <hes> <hes> each ended tick break well. Hey everybody this is aid here. <hes> thanks for listening in <hes>. They went to bed of course a aid two. He took drink as the next day came. Noon came whatever you would call to refer p._m. Mich- in your world beholder came in eventually the crowd came back it right around us and then you you for efficiency sake. I'll tell you what happened is said a doctor triangle in excessively set of a show with props wraps his time in audience volunteers re tending to be a windmill ended in pretending to be the years in the windmill will and then connecting lake rope <hes> which was made up of tied together handkerchiefs a bit like a rope representative of a rope end who around the waist of one volunteer and one end. I don't salako police in those things. <hes> aguirre's wouldn't gear should just like we assume are in the mills and then dr triangle head them hold onto the is the thing 'cause schachter triangle was see you awake at everyone moving at the same speed so all aguirre's in handkerchief rope was moving at the same pace in everyone was clapping along and and this is interesting because it was almost <hes> who we're up against the edges of mathematics here he and his so that's happening. A rhythm has been established a ended in even the knowledge of the rhythms is this is stan bush while they couldn't use numbers to describe it to quite a concepts and reserve. It was hard for further two of them to understand san woods. If people were understanding 'cause they couldn't be in their minds. <hes> he thought it was pretty clear idea of <hes> that almost each pace sewer collapse right <hes> within when they tried to break it down is to mation was would a doctor triangle seemed to sink okay of collapse of paces of <hes> how much time would be consumed to go from point to point b. is this is a played out this mechanical rope analogy. No volunteer could get ahead their ability to estimate the time time who was not possible but also because there's so much appreciation and people were making noises like suit thing in lake. <hes> feel started singing it. Was you quite a fun. Show in you know the result of a slapstick rica assassinates couldn't take being center of attention in the show ended doctrine triangle. I saw sali's were <unk> preparing to head to great community hall for meal all right so we'll just head right over there so we've got it right. You've got it down. I mean you think so. This is our first time doing this but we should go outside of the town. We just go up river a bit like we're the milstar and then we're just supposed to say the names of the principal in it should restore the principal town hold to the charms. I guess as you said talent talent pieces of the salesman the correspond let's see hello. Hello everybody oh great. So what are we having here. Oh what are these things might goodness. It looks like a thank you for feeding assistance quite the feast you happier appear for us <hes> <hes>. What do you call this supper. It looks like would you know thank you ed. I saw sleaze will this. You know a half to unwind for my performance here with dr triangle so we will <hes> will join all of view and mary minton bitch we i. We like to sit in sal the tude lanker thank you okay. Let's sit down here. Is this is like a. It's a ball made from flour and water. Whatsoever looks like they're different. Though mine is very very hard it was like it was in an oven. Mine is a bit undercooked who was in. Maybe not cooked at all. It's like you're here. Let me hold jurors like yours is almost even though it like. If maybe it was cooked a little more which be spongy lunch like maybe it will here's this. I don't think you're gonna eat. The head are you. I mean we have to be polite. <hes> i mean maybe there's a <hes>. Is this principle time estimation at an amusement issues with the maybe the time they're so like <hes> because they can't estimate time. They're just tired so they're just throwing this together because <hes> or maybe other after i don't know this. Maybe this is what they traditionally eaten. They don't care. I mean they're all eating it. I mean they don't look happy about it. It's like you could show which balls move doe doe flower ball or dobol were made. It was which batch which it looks like okay. Maybe we should just get this over with and his his son yes. Yes excuse me everyone link for our meal doc triangle or going to enjoy our repast <hes> out in we we go into your mills and we'll be back <hes> to say a good night to all of you soon okay so he can't be okay. We just hit up this river. Reno riverbank riverbank here. This is where they would be. They're supposed to pull the hispanics is for other horses <hes> to to to pull a about suit ever recalled. <hes> yeah pull them. Data's down the river to trade the flower for other communities. Okay okay so we're here to stay here so yeah. I think it's just estimation so. I guess we'd take a clock. Estimating time is summating time time i am an estimation will say okay because i have this little this. He's spencer things. I think that's good for you know that's very precision. Okay which use a measuring cup like your your cup your estimation cup okay. This is a great meal so this is the biggest mel. Let's go inside here okay so we're supposed to okay so told them look at this mill wheels correct right up the middle o'casey hand is let's look at all. The granges piled up and they won spots okay so is estimated time estimating time. That's where we're going to say. Yeah i mean we have to be we don't have to it has should be the principle. That's missing so hopefully we get credit by okay so <hes> oh great empower no. That's from the movie oso whoa so green. Oh mother of mathematics shots <hes> we call anew to restore. Were maybe you should say it since you to restore to this community bill each estimate time which has been taken from them all honor vol master keeper principals who we humbly serve <hes> we've we've come to this town in we ask you. We call upon you. We beg you to send down your power and restore store concept of time an estimate shen to this area. Okay those good those good <hes>. So what do we do now. I would just <hes>. Maybe we should go back. Maybe we could stop at the <hes> mccartan actually eat something and then we'll go back to the in say goodbye to everyone and and then it gets you once we had our our next assignment i mean i think or do we just wait here quietly at a most time they like you to meditate. We live in baskin their glorious uli quite solitude. I mean i'm never good at that kind of thing but okay waiter some rumbling. Do you feel that there's rumbling oriented must be power being restored to leave it and they'll be able to estimate how long it takes to get to places. We're going to be so much. We will be heroes in this town <hes> yeah. It's like <hes> let me. We should go outside of the mill you you're right. You're right which like his his suit suit time returning hutu these people we really desist exciting this isn't. I didn't realize it'd be good so much. <hes> villager out of this work yeah yeah i mean this is a great because then whatever maybe they couldn't leave for work on. I'm good and restore the flow of flour these mills or essential well. We're going to get credit from the goddess which critic from the people we've just done for lake resist still shaking like it feels like a shakings getting closer and i don't know maybe like there's a lie. Maybe they got to get a lot of time back in the ground or soon or or or the mill is a standard mill. Say looming over you well well yeah. It's like the jay. This is the great mill nor not become personified. It's it's come to l. I f e in its blah blah uh we let's run in so i say to heroes standing hoffman cops who harry of trees watching and the mill great mill came to life and began to chase after lumber more lumber after back triangle and i saw salinas had grown to legs in one arm other side of water we alarm that it was swinging. Get them in saying you know like image into <hes> down in to to you know do you to take a jake the whizz out of your math alice to meet your time to make you know some flower out of you. He the end deck triangle nice. Ashley's ran from smaller mill smaller meal smaller mill to smaller mill. Excuse me <hes> and i say <hes> well. You showed little mills. That's a big male. Maybe it will be safe in here because it's like a baby mill but <hes> the gray meld notch sap using the voice of anti not massa laughing with glee but also they entered each day notice that each mill was broken each millstone own was jammed or couple were just abandoned barron and abandoned and they do like <hes> a sassy joked about putting the elbow to the grindstone in at the actor will get you a have an idea of juicy shoulders grindstone's we all damage in a unique way like <hes> most of them are over flout over grain. Is this one's. It's almost empty though yeah. It's not just time estimation. It's it's something else we. I think we got the principal wrong. Leo figured that out because the mills chasing us ed but i have planned by some time at the millage head up to head up the riverbank climb that hill towards the windmill i have a plan which are playing was at a river milk can't run pill okay well. That's it's still coming. Ah it's it's seeing it's going to catch up with us soon. Okay well <hes> slowing it down. Would we'd slops cited though okay okay. Let's just stop here than own boy so tired from climbing the hill <hes> and no idea really who do she good thing we we're. We're fast enough to dodge out of the way everything but that water wheel dr triangle home. No the mill was shot. Water wheels coming towards us said sieve for us. It's <hes> c._r._t. I n assists. I guess it's turning which can happen. It'll be tab hopes it. Philip is falling backwards down the hill goodbye mill who can't believe you saw at the hats <hes> okay. Let's hit up to this show. Where are we now. What do you think zinc is another milligan to come probably would it would this is a setback. I would say let's go to this so when mill appear i mean maybe we could help the people like a estimate time without returning the principal like the windmill mill sits around the town we could rerun ropes into the town who just design the it would be running at a consistent rate at the time so then if everybody they say you know what i mean like you're talking about a building mechanical <hes> time estimation device <hes> right. Let's go in here. They just wanna see some sill thinking like a look at this. This is another one it's under it's like if they were running this. You wouldn't even get a tablespoon of flour out of this <hes> mill. What's the grain they have here. Were other greg the ones with the broken millstones it was like they are putting too much grain. I if the millstone to handle like <hes> wait a second. Would what did you say too much. No no you said tablespoon rain okay bad news field this mills from shaking out coming to life okay. That's i think i have it. It's not it's not a okay. Do you still have that measuring come. Do what what else do you have. Do you hold that scale okay. I'm gonna hold this calculator. He ended this abacus in <hes> <hes>. Just stay with me here. Okay mills coming to life with us in it. It'll just you'll see the grindstone starting to okay so the balls also dell right. They were just thrown together. It's not time stamatiou its conversion like they couldn't convert time to distance to be on time in having trouble converting water to flour grain grain flour the proportions it's gone conversion like proportions through the proportions are all wrong okay well. We gotta get out of this other mill before okay no no no who shall we call on you to restore the principles of conversion to this town. Police helped them convert. It's a measurements ended due to differing equations like using even things we believe helped restore. You're the ability to convert a nude run conversion it to this area. We call on you. Who's miss- missing son ray rayo ratio rates in conversions is the principal. That's it time ratio ratio rates in conversions grayson aitchison shots without these great principles of yours your charms and pitcher everything being restored. Okay wh wh- when okay who let me hold up this abacus oh please in all of your wisdom return turn the glory of matt especially rates ratios and conversions to these people we call upon you and your honor uh of great who please return to earth <hes> these great principles okay okay the mid mills. I stopped shaking. Okay and anything ounce no my my stomach. You know i'm rumbling because of his eddo balls only committed to eat okay well. Let's head. I mean guests. If if it were principles restored it should be just nothing should happen now like the it'll be another warning sign for us. If we get it wrong it must call in its opposition to permanently yeah. Let's head back. You'd see aidan see how gump i think we did it when no one will notice until they are able to exact principles roles well we could we could we could go and like they'd have to have to relearn them and i think our workshop will teach help teach the man. Maybe we could stay another day into leno you wanna get your kenna your attention so we'll do another show tonight but that is important tomorrow night see if the run time in in finnish explaining to them will play about measurements. Admits is baker poet. Remember that baker show we did. We'll just reverse the whole thing. <hes> yes <hes> the baker who couldn't make yeah okay. He ate a ah. We're gonna we're gonna rest in. We're gonna fix ships. Something okay great job. I'll have run this ada. In the ended. 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Burtin Racing's Claudio Burtin and Simon Gregg

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Burtin Racing's Claudio Burtin and Simon Gregg

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The deal with the nine thirty five is, of course, we had the big space from the center, the hub rights, and are the hub laughed, and we wanted to fix it during the sort of downtime, we have and it appears that that car had a sort of whole new front end welded onto it. I haven't done that kind of work on those kind of cars, but it really just appears that that car suffered damage in the front end and that car suffered damage in the rear end. And that they literally just took a tub from a nine eleven that had no damage and looks like they just went back to the point is far in toward the driver's compartment. Tell the damage stopped. Yeah. And then just cut it. I'm where it went to was a went from the front of the car to the top of the coil overs were like where a Castro Cambridge play. Where you make that adjustment would be. And what was interesting is. So the top of the of the shock mounts were were there in the right place that wasn't cut out down below the first lower control arm points were in the same place. But forward are where the front of the control arm or the strut rod connects to and because that was all replaced that was not welded on evenly. So so basically the front part of the control arms or the strut rods. Are what is often it's really kinda. Throwing things off on on the one side. And you can see this stitch on both sides of the car where they welded it up, and it's kind of interesting, right? So the front and the back of that car have been clipped more than once. I wanna thank key. We and Castrol edge and gyco for making this show possible O e technology series dot com as well. I'll let tell you more about these guys in a second. I and I should say this is Castro car cast. The car has a hundred thousand race miles on it. So it's been through Lama four times. And it's been through Daytona of five times. I think and it's been through Seib. Bring five times just to mention a few not to mention all the riversides in the Laguna Seca road Atlanta's at the Long Beach grand prix, I sat with Bobby Ray hall for a few minutes, and he was showing me pictures on his phone of the car from back in the day. And he said, how's it going? And I said, you know, you ran rent sport. And it wasn't going straight. And we gotta do some stuff and he looked at laugh because like there's no way that car is straight. All right. So it needs a little work. He's like that card has got a lot of racing miles on it. Yeah. I think it. Max paddock configure this one out of though may take a little bit. But I think it ran Lamont. I know it ran Lamar four times. I think it finished three times in the time. It didn't finish it still ran like. For like, thirteen hours. So yeah, ran like a hundred and eighty five laps or or something like that it so it even the time the one time it didn't finish it still ran for more than half race and one hundred and some odd lapse, so it's it's got a lot of miles on it. Yeah. It did. I think it finished all the daytonas and all the sea bring. So again when you do these races. These races are three thousand miles a pop, basically. Some more some less, but they seem to cover about three thousand miles and in twenty four hours, or whatever whatever that is. They will we could probably do some math like. Is like a seven mile lap. And they usually. Cover. Oh, I should say less. Yeah. They usually cover three hundred fifty laps or three hundred and thirty laps or something like that the malls, like seven point six miles or something like that. So you're twenty five hundred miles a pop and Daytona I think's even a little more than Lamar. With the straight in the Bank and stuff just higher speed, whatever. But I'm not sure what c- bring, but they seem to cover twenty five hundred pop a pop, you know, if you got five daytonas and five see brings and five Lama, you're up to ten thousand miles at Loma. Yeah. Just literally that car has done ten thousand miles just on on Lamont for forget about practice, and and qualifying and all of that. So yeah. And the entire racing season. These Llamas eight eight and a half Llamas, eight and a half. Oh, see I didn't factor in the chicane. Hit row. Yeah. Well, they did take the most on straight, and they did put a chicane and there and that would add. Yeah. Quarter-mile now, it's about three thousand miles. What it what was the length the Lamont in nineteen seventy nine we'll see 'cause that's before the chicane, and they did if you wanna do proper chicane. I mean, you have to kind of you're going to add half a mile, right? Like quarter mile that way. Turn. And I yeah. It'd be interesting to see interesting. All right. So all my experiences of running lem. I can't tell you for sure it's a feeling that cars all most of its had cars all taken apart. And we've found the source of the problem, and that's like a mounting plate and we're going to relocate the mounting plate and put everything back together. And so far, it seems like we're in good shape. The good news is. If we're doing it this way. We this doesn't mean we need to twist the tub and realigned body panels and watch that windshield fire out like is now, we're just readjusting this suspension mounting points. Like you were saying, so I think I think we've got a pretty good plan in place and Shawn's measuring everything one hundred times and make sure it works. All right seeing the two chicanes were added before the nineteen ninety race. So so yell try to see what it was back in the seventies. Just see what it wasn't seventy. You could Paul. I know they added the chicane it made it it made it longer. Oh, I don't need the date there at it. I need it was in nineteen seventy nine or wet Lhamo was before the Chikan. All right gun answer. Not yet. All right. Well, if I asked what year do they add the chicane then look for that. If I go what was the track before the chicane, then can do that. It'll be faster, and then we'll go back and get those other ancillary answers. Let me tell you about key week oh projects designed to encourage confidence and creativity through play kids. Get to learn experience and all that carries into everything. They do these guys sent over a couple of cool projects Sunday night or working on a robot. I'm cool. I'm doing most of work, but he's learning and were experiencing together. It's the best thing a dad can deal with the sun as work on a project have something to build hundreds of products focusing on steam. Science technology, engineering art mathematics for kids of all ages zero to sixteen plus Kiko crates. It comes with everything you need for your projects. Just to choose your line of crates. You get them shipped monthly, and you can cancel or pause anytime. You want makes learning fun, right, Matt. Yeah. Change the way your kids play with Kiko. Visit Kiko dot com slash car cast and get your first crate free. That's Kiko dot com slash car. Cash. For your first trait free Kiko dot com slash car cast. All right. How old was the track? How long was the track and nineteen before the chicane or? Eight point four eight point four six seven. So that kept at the same length. Yeah. That's before the chicane nine hundred seventy nine it was tightened to accommodate the new Lamar ring road, eight point four six seven miles. So they added a chicane which is a lot of extra. I mean, it's a lot more than going on a straightaway. Yeah. And you said it was eight point four now. No, no, they kept it the same length. Okay. Now. The reason it kept it the same length. That's because they wanted to keep all the records in place or something make sense. I get how they did something to the track. Yeah. So Lama the track was eight point four miles. Good enough. At a point four max Bada in the sixties like when Ford and for our we're battling Lama was eight point four miles and last year was eight point four miles. Yeah. Okay. But it looks like in eighty six there's a roundabout at the entrance to the most on village which shorten the tracks. Maybe then when they added that you can't it along it again. All right, little confusing. But I still I think what it is is they went. The Molson straight was too fast. The car's got too fast became too dangerous. So they added it zigzag in the middle that you had to slow down the danger out of it. Right. So when they did that obviously a straight line in the course of the chicane in a straight line was probably two hundred feet but going right going left coming back again going, right? That could add half a mile or more. Yeah. So the picture the length of the turn itself and the distance it move this way. And then came back that would seem like it would add a lot. But somebody figured I guess we want to track to keep to remain the same length because of all the records, you know, all the timing. And obviously the chicane screws with the records a little bit because you have to slow down. Right change, the times, and whatever, but I guess miles traveled, you know, from nineteen, you know, the the record set nineteen seventy one and nine seventeen whatever would be beat by a Peugeot or Toyota or something, and I guess you keep it the same length. So you can say that. Yeah. So they must have I wonder where they pulled some out of something else. Yeah. Kind of interesting that must be what they're doing. Otherwise, it would for sure just be a random other length. So. My car would do three hundred laps like on a on a rainy Loma weekend and maybe closer to three thirty or three fifty on a drier conditions kinda day. So if you just go three times eight you're twenty four, but it's three times eight four three almost three times eight and a half. And then you go over three hundred laps in many cases. And now you're like twenty twenty seven twenty eight hundred miles traveled each time. So it's getting close to three thousand miles. Max paddock and drill down on that a little. So the car's getting straightened out, and we're going to get the thing ready. We got an event or we tell about event that had a lot of talk about where we're not allowed to say. We're not allowed to say where it is. Yeah. But people know the events coming. Thing. Yeah. People events coming. I don't think it's a secret that this car would be invited to said of vent Luca Cole. Love cook. All anyway. Yeah. These things are turning big deals. I think they're keeping a secret location. But everyone knows I don't know every may or whatever they come back around again all the cool air cooled vehicles. Or it's going to be great. It's going to be a great event. They've always put on such a great event we've seen it. We were there last year. Then was there a couple years earlier and just sort of how it's grown. I think it was the first one and the most recent one and they do such a great job. Yeah. How would I how would I find out the mile or like how many miles like what do you think is the best way to do this because you would have to go to? Winky you Google an Luma and then like nineteen seventy nine or LeMond nineteen eighty you. Keep just changing, you know, nineteen Eighty-one nineteen Ninety-two, and it'll send you to Wicky. And then you'll click on it and Wicky will send you to racing sports cars dot com and pull up that page, and then they'll see the cars like the order they finished in. And then they'll show you, you know, Porsche nine, you know, dick, Barbour, you know, whatever Ray hall baba, and it'll say next to it. How many laps Wicky has that for some of the races? Well, the Wikipedia might have nineteen Seventy-nine llama racing results. And it'll say the order, and it might say how many laps completed for each. I think Wicky sends you to racing sports cars. I think that's what you end up. What ends up being? Pulled up, and then it just hasn't in order from top to bottom, and it'll have like the top whatever. And then it'll go third place finisher, and then parentheses will go first in class, you know, like as you as you get down, so whatever. And then it has all the laps the cars traveled on the right, obviously, the ones that one traveled more laps. Yes. I like for instance, I have hundred seventy nine pulled up Paul Newman portion nine thirty five dick Barbour two hundred ninety nine laps. Right. So just multiply multiplied by the length and just do that for every. Yeah. That one hour d-. No. That's that's just like twenty five hundred. But now, we know. Yeah. It's three hundred laps basically at eight and a half miles. We'll be figured out. Right. The next year. I think when it came back is apple I don't think it completed like if you go then you just go Porsche nine thirty five nine. Are. You just go LeMond nineteen eighty and then it'll pop up again and you'll scroll down and it'll get down there because it does number of laps completed in you'll say dick Barbour, you know, nine thirty five. Bobby Ray hall of a blot Brian Redman or whoever driving in one hundred and eighty seven laps hundred thirty four laps are hundred thirty four laps didn't didn't finish. Now. Now that traveled a thousand miles or after a thirteen hundred mile or whatever that's about half animal Levin hours of the Wraith. Yeah. Whatever whatever that is. All right. Why don't we get Claudio and Simon Greg in here in is? Is Greg's Peter Peter Greg's son, by the way, Peter perfect. And you can check out. We'll tell you about them. First Castrol edge, stronger under pressure engines can lose up to ten percent of performance due to friction Castrol edge with fluid. Titanium transforms under pressure to keep the metal apart stops the power from being robbed three times three times full stronger than leading full synthetic against viscosity breakdown as as per the Kurt Orban test five W, thirty viscosity great edge formula, always exceeds the toughest industry standards. It's Castrol edge. Good friend. Claudia burton? It's back in studio. Claudio is runs a transam team Simon. Greg is a driver son of famed Peter Greg as. I just saw in highlighted in Hurley the documentary that Patrick Dempsey did Claudio Simon good. See you guys. How are you? Good to be here. Cloudier you teams leading transam points right now, we are one. The first two races were the first to Cebrian Atlanta. And bring still very much an airfield is it has it become any part race track. Or is it just like a lot of cones and hay bales? Hey bills and still I don't think anything is changed their since the first race that they had it really is maybe, you know, some new buildings here and there, but the track itself just oh bomber field that never really changes at road Atlanta that c seven our vet of years eight hundred fifty horsepower, what that thing topping out at down that back straight road Atlanta about a hundred and eighty five or so I think fast car, I'm in covered over there. Very fast track. Yeah. When you drive in that car there Simon. They pulled hard all the way down the straightaway. It makes it turned nine a curve. Even though it looks like straightaway for low powered car, right? And it's really really. Takes a lot of balls on that back straight because you got to kind of figure out when it's time to back it off feel like you could keep going for a while. And also insane. Speaking of sort of chicanes that thing used to just go right over the top of the hill. Right. Yeah. When I started racing ninety seven we hit hit that dip gravity cavity fly to there. And then slam on the brakes before the bridge. It was a lot different track back then. These days when they had the blow vers? Yeah. Cars literally catching air and turn over blue over there. Wow. Stadium trucks. Yeah. He head that it lime rock to. I I do believe for some reason sounds familiar, maybe teepee car or something like that. Here's a good. I am at road Atlanta. I think three out of the I four laps. I drove off into the hot area coming over that hill just seemed to make sense to it is confusing because you know, they've changed that they call the one side, the pro paddock. And then the other side kind of like, the club paddock or whatever. They call it. A and it can be confusing. When you go over that hill, you makes all the sense in the world just to stay out wide landslide. And then you blink your eyes. Like, oh, I'm going. I'm going off this trap already. Did this? Right. Yeah. If you go out and pretend like something's wrong with the car to sit there for a minute pretend like you're doing something. But then blowing off I thought it was fine. Now Dow down now going just keep going. Yeah. So cloudy does out there with the his team Claudio is a guy. Are you a chemist by trade, a polymer chemist kind of you know, I don't have an official degree. But I apprenticed, you know, long time under my father who had chemical engineering degree from Argentina that really wasn't ever a credited in America. You know, you get a degree sometimes another countries. And then that and that's no good. I don't care. How hard you studied? And how well you did didn't make any money off of it or whatever they didn't make any money off fine and Simon so Peter Peter perfect. Peter, Greg fame, Porsche driver and. And driver, everything who is highlighted in the Hurley film that you see the did you see the doc? Yes. I enjoyed getting to be on the dock, and I've been working with Sean Cridland. He's working on a new book about Bruno's story. And you know, I'm out here to race fun town this weekend. And then I just finished racing thunder hill the weekend before last and what are you driving? Seven our yard TI is everything out there and trans AM one basically the same horsepower in the same tube frame in the same suspension. Same tires. We know that. Yes, they're all about the same t as is the big class. Right. The high horsepower class, and what cars are in there. There's Camaros corvettes which are pretty much the same just a little bit different couple challengers there. No to saying good, and we run with ta three and four production based cars, and then of course, ta two runs by themselves. I'm trying to think if I've seen it challenger full. Yeah. Right. I don't know if I remember Boris drew one last year in TA at Indy and think road Atlanta is so the book how old so tragically Simon's father committed suicide I think in nineteen eighty what eighty eighty eighty you must have been young team. Boy, that's brutal sorry to bring that up. But it's in the dock, and the doc is is really pretty fascinating. And it sorta does Hurley Haywood and his early connection with with Peter Simon's dad, and then how they were like pretty much an unbeatable race team. And the crazy broom owes Porsche days, and there were sort of unbeatable back back in the day early still a friend of the family and. Hurley's broom owes Boston Davis is building a nice new car museum back Jackson. Oh, that's going to be a good place. Visit. Yeah. My dad's favorite last car was a nine Tory. Five young looking forward to seeing Yarze. They. Yeah, that's mine. Taken apart. But the broom owes I, you know, tell us what you know about room us. I mean, it's so I kind of the livery so iconic people picture them, not only the nine thirty five, but maybe even more showing like the RS ours and the stuff that was naturally aspirated that Simon's dad drove and many people drove was us at dealership. Yes. Dealership in Jacksonville, Florida, and they started off selling Porsches. And then, you know, we're Sadi's Lexus now, but. In the early sixties. Peter star rayson put Porsche on the map in the United States had a good relationship with them. And he started painting his car's red white and blue and they're always beautifully prepared or liable. The Daytona twenty four hours was his best race. He had good luck there when and four times overall. Yeah, that's an great the great color scheme. Because while there were red white and blue was sort of the shade of red in the shade of blue. They chose that seemed to be more effective from color scheme standpoint. I always wondered why the number fifty nine. Well, it dad was in the navy back then and he he flew out to aircraft carrier once and that was the number of the ship. And the font that big block font has got that from. Wow, I love an answer their question. Yeah. I would Paul Newman's cars are all like thirty three. And I was told that they make them thirty three could be easy to change that three into an eight or you know, the piece of tape piece of white tape. So if you showed up at the race and someone else said the thirty three or the same number you could easily modify be eight or eighty three or eight or whatever whatever it is. And I was like that made sense. Yeah. It was satisfying. So Claudio are you doing any driving these days or it's all team running well just mostly team running in? But I'm looking forward to get back in the car. I had kind of injured reserve I had some hip surgery which almost about one hundred percent from so so you're gonna get back in and drive. I get the bug once in a while wanna go do it again. It's it's the it's the car the same as when I drove it a couple of years ago, we re bodied two Camaros. Oh, that's right. You're saying the the arrow. Better on the Camaro body than the corvette think. So by just looking at it. But I guess you guys kinda got stretched out and a little bit lower. Frontal area. No, they do look like the streetcars. But we do you know, it was built after the c seven corvette. So every time you build a car after another one, you know, usually you learn a little bit more about the air and things like that. Who builds the bodies these are built by guy carry hit out of Pennsylvania company ACP? Okay. Bills the carbon kevlar bodies for everybody. So everyone gets the same mold and the same the same body. Yeah. If you buy Mustang, you know, you're gonna get the exact same thing as you know, guy ration- the mush things right there. You know, there's one pretty much authorized body manufacturer for TA right now. I'm curious who I've always been wanting to run down this gentleman max, Pat, and maybe you could do it when we did our race at willow springs. And there set fella who drove your second team car. And I think the guy's name was Richard Richard Rawle, Richard wall. Find that guy saying he's out here. Right. Yeah. But he he's kinda got like some issues that he's in the out of the country right now. Kinda make every April. That's. Vacation for a lot of AK Sion's around April. Yeah. He's hanging out with the Roman Polanski for different reasons for reasons either way, they're probably hanging out out of country. Well is an interesting guy because I guess he was just there to do a vintage reysen is Cobra right? Blew up the death and his Cobra broke you didn't have another one. And so he's like well I wanna race. So he just showed up your pick. And we had extra car sitting there that we had brought out so yeah, we cut it deal. And and he was pretty good. He came in second. Drove pretty good. Yeah. No. Yeah. Obviously did you know dryer like, what's the vetting process? Write me a check. And we're good go. That was pretty. Yeah. Well, if guys out there, and he's he had a real Cobra real Cobra guys out on that track. Driving a real Cobra. Yeah, he's probably got some chops. I mean, I'm assuming advantage raise the same thing. You know, the right diabolic to drive, right, right? Right in that kind of car. He's going to be pretty good. Yeah. Then the real Kover kind of means his cheques going to be good. Yeah. It's not gonna bounce right? Oncle sam. Oh. Thoughts. So I was always curious what that guys how that all came about. It was as I heard it that he just broke his Cobra then he showed up and he was like here for the vintage race by still wanna race. And I don't get an extra diff-, you know, independent and all kind of. Rear ended us cobras us back in the day because they didn't have a lot of independent people use Jags. I think in the cars like that should be. It's a live. Axle, kinda like what we have. I don't think it's alive. I think cobras are Cobra some did Dion kind of thing from yesterday or Cobra, you know, if you think about it, they had knockoffs, and they had I think an independent rare almost sure that independent rare. So a lot of times people use Jags stuff because Jags had knockoffs and Jags head independent raiders. What what what knock off hubs? Do we have? I mean with independent intersection could be an eight or nine inch center section, and then whatever Cobra whatever they made for the for for the suspension and then in the half shafts and the hubs at that point. And I know what you're saying. There's a lot of Jack south because it's all one. Unit. You can swap it in. But maybe they just made their own. Maybe maybe they made their own must have got. That's probably why blue rear. Rear end somewhere Cobra rear end. Max Pat on sixty six Kober sixty four whatever it is. Because and they also make I mean, they came from Bristol. Yeah. Probably an independent rare. Because they were like European sports that you all handle that wouldn't handle the horsepower. But maybe they just replaced the center section. Maybe they went to like nine inch Ford center section the left. You know, the I don't know about the center section. You have the transmission the drive shaft. And then that goes to the rear end. Yeah. Right. Kim, basically. Right. So the pumpkin is the one that needs to be. Yeah. That would be that would probably be Ford eight or nine inch. I'm not sure what other. Nine engine independent independent. Yeah. Yeah. Not all nine inches would have you can have a nine inch Ford. We ran live axle or just the center section that would have half shafts anything. So this made it into that would have been able to find it back. There was nothing American. There's Ford with the independent rea-. I don't know if there was a Ford with a nine maybe something in the racing world. They must have made their own chat inserts. All right. Tell me about guy. Yeah. Drill them that cloudy. You thought that was a live axle on a Cobra? On. Say your car guy. Yeah. I guess I had to auctions. Everybody's got a to do list. Drop off dry cleaning pick-up some milk. And now you can add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. You just go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. So if you want some extra money in your pocket, this is the most rewarding to do. You can do today be sure to check out geiko dot com. So. I had a fun experience was able to drive that C seven hour, which is said a delight to drive. I I would say like it was a nice nice car. Had a couple memories. One is the hose for the water bottle was planted on top putting this nipple pushed right on top of the sway bar adjuster, which made me think he had a hydraulic sway bar jester. That's all I thought. I'd never asked anything. I saw hoes going to the top of it really literally just a holding place for the hose. Yeah. Impressed than how you did at willow springs, weren't you catching Tommy and getting faster the whole time. I missed the west coast last year, but this year, I'm trying to do most of them. I was hanging with Tommy dreamer. She I don't maybe I was catching a little bit. But I don't I wasn't much danger of me passing him. I don't think but I certainly was on whatever the lap. He was on like, whatever he. Be a few hundred feet head of me. And then the next lap. It just be the same distance closer pretty close. Yeah. It was you know, it was Claudio all praise Claudio a for setting up the car, and then be for asking me if I had a radio in my helmet, and then he going now. Oh, and he went you didn't bring a radio. I don't have one no one ever asked me. And then he went he went and got his radio out of his helmet. And he stuffed it into my helmet. And then he said, but you won't be able to hear me while we're racing. You can just hear me during like yellow flags. And so during the yellow flags, I guess I'm used to vintage racing and yellow flags ever this kind of slows down and and cloudy. It was yelling go go. Go go go like petering yellow you got to go. I mean, you can't pass anybody. But go man, and he was yelling go, and I was I was inspired. Third by cloudy does words, and so I was able to kind of catch up to the front group. Yeah. Tighten and once we got tightened up. I was kinda able to hang out there for the rest of the race. Now. One thing cloudy neglected to talk to me about how the tire I knew how the tires we're going to kind of go away that that I was prepped for. But I wasn't prepped for how much downforce as things made at high speeds and how the tires would come back via the downforce like, right? The fashion you go the grippier it is it takes a lot of confidence. Trust the car and a high speed corner ios. Well, what I was doing was I was going up at willow around that horse. You're wherever the Budweiser thing is at the top. And the car is like slide all over the place. You're really turn in that wheel. You know, the feeling of somewhere around eighty miles into one hundred mile race starts feeling really greasy. Easy. And then everyone got back on it like coming down out of that horseshoe in the car were still slide around a lot. And I was just behind Tommy and Richard. And maybe another guy at that time and everyone's just driving the same car, and those guys were just going into that big turn eight over there will own they weren't they weren't slowing down. And I was like man seems like you guys should slow down because we're gonna all go and right off the edge of this track. We've never really had the car setup for turn eight that. Well, either. Didn't have a whole. Radio. It'd have a whole lot of time. Did that that really is a corner for, you know, a transam car little Formula Ford or Atlantic something like that just goes through there. You don't even think of lifting, but in ta car, it can be a handful. So I was like, well, these guys are driving the same car essentially that I'm driving and they're not slowing up too much on this corner. So I don't know why we're all not going into the desert, but they know better than I know. So I'll stay with them. Yeah. And found the leader never figure out till I got out of the car why we weren't sliding around because I don't in the vintage car world if you're racing Beeri five ten or even wanna Newman's Z cars. The whole downforce stuff doesn't really doesn't really come into play. Like, it's not something that's ever really worked on or disgust driving up be two thousand roadster from sixteen that big. We're wing on the thing too. You know that that's the main device that gives us most of the rear down. But they the new Camaro body even has even has more. So you go to Fontana, right? What kind of speeds we look forward to on that straightaway? Going into the into the Bank about one eighty. It should remind me of home said Miami attract race a lot back home. Yeah. I'm kind of a rival specialist. I haven't raised Fonteneau much before. So I'm looking forward to learning it last time. I was here was on a test day like twenty years ago and. Today. It was twenty. Town fever. You're gonna be blown away. Shades of Brown everywhere. Gonna say. Tanna Montana is a you know big long straightaway fast big big break oval. I mean, big Bank turn left hand fast. And then big sort of half a straightaway in the back, and then you better get down super fast because you got to get into the infield in everyone almost comes to a stop turning left into that infield. So that's kind of where the action is over there. I'm gonna like it. It's not running the same tracks over and over again, you know, we used to run the west coast all the time now back out here and. Wrote American they tone all lot you're talking about LeMond earlier and Mossberg we don't raise their anymore that was one of the classics. I have the track record there. Oh, you do. Yeah. Minute fifteen in a what ta car transam? Wow. That was how from about five years ago on the Goodyear tyres what we were on parolees back back when I did it wasn't set up, right? Yeah. I like, I think you're gonna like fun Tanna then fields kind of cool. It's all flat and everything. But there's like a couple of couple of fun spots on that that back and some asked why till knock over cone inevitably like get it flung out in the middle of the track at some point. Let's hope to avoid that. I like the videos of Daytona before this came because they would go through the banking like over one hundred and eighty drift into there. And I hear the big cars would leave a boat wait for the little cars. That would make them jump around. Really? Crazy that they would have again like I'd have like my sixty nine two thousand roadsters on that track. Probably with some nine seventeen or something. That's a little different speed. You're talking about LeMond that's cool track. I went there once when I was five years old so kind of a long time ago. I'm looking forward to maybe running some more vintage races in the future know when I get for TA. What's the schedule after this after Tanna where you guys go line? I'm rock they really just kind of go from one come out. How far? There's nothing. There's nothing on the there's month in between. I think or so like what is Memorial Day? Oh, we got that show that they race day after memorial. Tell us to look into that damn it. Let's see somebody was oh who who's who's radio show? Did I do over there? Dick bar. No, not dick Barbour skip barber barber. I think I did skip barber's radio show. I think he said he was going to be at lime rock. He said come on down to lime rock and Memorial Day or Labor Day whenever my birthday is can't remember, and may and he said, we'll get you set up with the trans transam car over here. And I was like, okay. And then it turns out I had something to do in DC. But the DC thing kind of fellow part. So now, I got maybe take him up on his offer gonna figure this one. You could hit in transam as a great schedule. We hit all the best tracks all over the country. Well, lime rock for me is super cool because it's Newman's home home track. Yeah. Yeah. Which which I love and Sam Posey and all that kind of stuff and Bob sharp, and you think about all those those names over there. Also, it's smaller to pretty probably smallest track season, right and a half miles. It's pretty simple. We don't use. Under a minute lap. Right about fifty one seconds. Not for me. It's still it's still it's still not super high speed and technical and whatever like you don't wanna cut your teeth at road Atlanta. But you might you might give it a world at lime rock. So maybe I should get hold of dick bar. I mean. Yeah. See what he's got. This. You mentioned the Newman sharp stuff now cloudy, you built a tribute car. Yeah. Over over the winter a Nissan to the like the GT you two four the same forty two forty a little bigger engine than than the two forty is two. Oh, you did the full Chino's body on it. Oh, here's a picture of it. Right. Is that it or another one? That looks like it. Yeah. Just like that. That's it. Yeah. So that's a really cool. Look, it's the it's the same Posey Chino's GT, you sort of big flare big body. I had one not not an original car, but like a tribute car as well. It's great looking piece like it's probably the coolest looking of the Z really is cars. What engine are you? What what did you end up? Putting this car has like a two point nine leader a little stroke and punched out a little bit. Okay. The triple Makunike's fifties. Forty four forty eight's forty four triple forty four. So he got the side drafts in there. And you got the header and everything else, and it's just a fun. Good. Look at cool. Nice cars car are the carburetors on the same side of the exhaust. Yes. Yes. They are. I can tell you. Want that? That's what you want. You one super hot fuel? You wanted you going heat? That's your friend. Yeah. I know. I don't know. Why? God, dammit. That's an drove me nuts with that. I mean, the good news is the starter super easy to get to. It's just on the other side all bites alone. So it's very simple engine at the end of the day. When you take the valve cover off lashing valves and things like that the cams all exposed right there. Yeah. It is pretty pretty pretty basic good little engine. Yeah. At two point nine create a good poll, and if you ever see horsepower, you're making I think the car to the wheels made like to sixty two fifty to sixty two that's healthy for naturally aspirated motor. And if you see a guy like John Morton drive, one of those cars around Rhode Atlanta are. Laguna Seca or something and this cars fly they work. They do a friend of mine name, Greg. I are he runs a to orange to forty z e production, and he really hustles at around against like the Mazdas have advantage because they're a little news. It's ration- this weekend at the midday. So, you know, came out here hang out with you do the do show. And then, you know, catching a flight back to the Midi and goes now with the Midi allow tribute cars, and that sort of thing, I believe so I believe so what you get entered any do. Yeah. I John, you know, it was really impressive. When we were there last year that John Morton in his b a sort of tribute car, although it's well beyond attributed got. So many of the original pieces from the z car and everything that's Randy's. Randy's car car. Yeah. He blew up. I he literally like punched a hole in the side of the block, and that thing and let a whole bunch of stuff down on the track right at the end of the straight away, by the way, says some poor guy and five ten just didn't stand a chance. But anyway. They were like they had that brought that car in on Thursday afternoon or something and it had a hole in the side of the engine block. And I was like what are you guys doing? We're gonna find up short Blac. We're we're racing. Like where are you? Finding a short block. We're out in the woods. We may know a guy and they've found I think a pretty rough rusty not whether any, but it had, you know, had the crank Brian the PIs everything was in it. I guess it worked it'd been sitting out for a while. God bless us guys in the infield in a parking lot. The put that thing up on Jack stands dropped everything that pulled off all the exhaust and in Hake and everything else that took everything off built the engine like on the tailgate of pickup truck in the parking lot. And when we came back the next morning, they were like, we're going and they were good to go. And I thought that's what I love about. Racers. I really do. I love. That spirit. Everyone helped out we had a deal like that wrote America last year. Blue three engines during that race. Wow. And ended up everybody blew an engine that weekend. It was. Yeah. It was crazy. And we ended up putting one back together again about three in the morning from spare parts from two of the ones that were blown up that were alike and Tommy dressy, drove the car, and it actually made it to the end, which was you know, everybody like this is never gonna even make two laps three laps in and men and made it to the end. So we we did that last year on well. Well. A couple of weeks ago, we ran ta to fuel by accident and that made our motor blow up because it was only like. Yeah. I was gonna ask did everybody. Run the wrong fuel accidentally bad feudal track some questions. Yeah. People like so many people blowing engines, maybe it's if you will what do you guys run in in trains AM one if you'll learn ten octane leaded ta two cars run ninety eight pain unleaded. So that makes up make a big difference. Well, the spirit of the racer baby. It's a live guys working on stuff in the parking lot. I by the way, I get out of the car, and like one of my driving gloves hole in it. And I'm like there goes the week out. Give me give me here. We're watching. That's me. Cloudy, Burton Simon. Greg guys are gonna be out at Fontana this weekend. And by the way, chick out go share, you can check out go share dot com. That's what goes dot, CO dot CO dot CO. That was on the side of my transam car had a great time. Maybe. We'll figure out a way to get out the lime rock. Don't forget Laguna Seca was on may fourth one PM. Oh, goodness sake. We're gonna make that. Well, we'll put a deal together. Now that you talked lime rock band back in that car. I'm all I'm all ears and and thumbs. So I'm looking forward to that and say God, there's just so much to do. All right. My stand up special not Taco Bell material. You can check that out at chassis to us in a wine, I tunes Amazon everything else. Live shows coming up all over the place. Oh, we going tonight Sacramento thunder valley. That's right, man. I'll be doing standup show tonight. 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Should I Give My Girl a Hallpass?

No Chaser with Timothy DeLaGhetto

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Should I Give My Girl a Hallpass?

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One time i had this i had this girl that fit my mouth perfectly right look dope and <hes> and it was like it was probably was like my whole bottom of the i four teeth and so not the whole bottom but the front door and i remember i feel like she like five hundred dollars right and nothing crazy but it's still like it was five hundred dollars so i wore it to some <hes> i think i was at south why south west years ago and i took it out to eat some tacos and then i put the grill in a napkin and then and it wasn't until like an hour later. It was like shit. I think through correal's every junior high student with their retainer i do you know how many people lost their retainers. You know they just take it out to eat and then it's gone and that kids is why cultural appropriation go all the way in get your bucket t removing it. Take them out to eat attack. Do people really do like the whole replacement with the jewelry t town i don't. I don't know if anybody still we're seeing a lot of is like the girls putting diamonds in their t. O. like in that one and they implanted in. I personally personally. I don't like stuff not but it just makes me look at their mouth. Yeah what is it. Is that the whole point. Did you feel like it is with the growth. Oh i think it just feels like you know for me. Grown up a lot of the spend money on now is the shit. I couldn't afford that. I saw on rap videos saying so when i got older it was like i'm a go drink hypnotic. I'm going to get a grill. You know what i'm saying. I think glad i think a lot of this shit a that. You spend your money on when you get older like when i was younger i wanted a side kick robbing but the and i was like <hes> you know i wanted to buck in rims on my car. I wanted the rolex and then when i got older and i'm like especially now that i have a fucking mortgage. I'm like maybe i don't need the rims on my car. I don't need a rolex. Put too grew grill knee i i can do. I can do especially when i can just pop it out. Whenever show <hes> also was going to say when i was in high school we'll <hes> spinners really popular and <hes> okay definitely went to walmart and i got these little shiny spanish vinho cows for my little ninety four kerala my little gold ninety four corolla and i felt like i was so spinners was like like the coolest dumbest shit ever because even though actual rams if you didn't have the right set yeah. What did you uh-huh hurt hit two why but yeah if you didn't have them done right and had the right set. It was not working. You have like the front wheel spinning with the other four o'clock. They weren't spending time and dan so many things back. Then definitely blew out my dad's speakers in his car trying to being cool and pulling up in the parking lot. You know you gotta play the music real loud you gotta strategically pick the perfect song so that when you're driving by everybody can see you but my the car that we had was the dodge neon and it was a stick shift so it was more like praying that and you didn't stall while speed bump because you were trying to be that core i remember i used to drive around with this cat named julian. We went to high school with right and house going to some function and julia was julia was always bummed his music real loud right and i think what song is so we we kept driving back and forth in front. All the people were playing the same song because he was his themselves and you know i had to win those down and said i thought i was going to we kept plan dan in them jeans genuine awesome bro back then arm be yes research the markets houston album i album bump that shit the deaf fucking justin timberlake and then if it was hip hop it was ages dips it diplomat all my arm beat the fuck out with two fifteen it did not it did not sound good so rant lead windows here. That once be wasn't working. Don't even minded. Just turn it up. Turn it up. It was all about who i mean my. I never had this shit in my car. I remember like it was always. Just who can have the biggest can uneven music yeah like in in the core sound good but you get that shit so everybody else can here and it sounds terrible going in nam jeans. It's the what else will pop and we display in the club. All the time is located. Loki embarrassed not as current generation. There's definitely some things but you know what the beauty of this generation is. There's a big emphasis on who gives fuck and i and i do like that you know because we grew up in very much the generation of <hes> you gotta be this to be cool and a lot a lot of weight. You know what i'm saying like and you will get clowned for a lot of shit. If you aren't this i mean dog. We was going to high school. Where if you were in the right white t shirt fun <hes> yeah you got the fucking foot action to twenty out of here bro. I remember dog loses. It definitely a guy problem. Do it was a major thing really it was the pro clubs and then and then later on pro fives. Yes yes yes. Oh i've had the tight mic these specific white t.'s and and black teas they were thick and the collars never got loose saying no matter how many times took off put him on not share got got it got it and i remember there was a point in time where it was such a big deal doodoo run up to you. Check your collar. If you didn't if you didn't have the pro club tags they were ripped your tag off the ground you why these motherfucking motherfucking six dollars a piece that was in there every week yes if you're white t was fucking any type of oh aw crispy oh yeah in the five x the extra long no yeah new louis cavs. Thank y'all wearing dresses and do right. I was wearing pants who x.'s or three axes tall tease if the if the shit of the sleeve leave wasn't halfway down my wrist. It was a little shirt to me now. What about the sweatband situation that was going on. Remember when the sweat bands and the headbands was it <hes> <hes> i i never really did that. I was hat. Do rag rag with the tail or i'm not gonna lie. I i was a do rag hat person lead man. I didn't do the risk sweat bands i was. I did due headbands walk. At that point. I was getting the the two all around and the taper fade saying but i remember when i first started shaving my ahead in this before i ever went to a black barber shop i was i shaved my head and in kevin of one of our homeys from high school and i wasn't lined up because i hadn't gone we'll black why what's up yet yeah and and this is before a lot of asians were cutting here like like a black barbour's right and i just remember like i still had just kind of like my shit wasn't lined up so i had kinda just like my hairline airline was wasn't even i remember. The home kevin was like yo to to this little <music>. When you get your home it forget who exactly that someone might have been camera on it might have been forget but one of my homes took me too slow barbershop behind her high school called the million dollars dollars by antoine was the best barber in the whole set and people would like this but yeah people would waits for hours. He'll keep k and he better you think so. I switched. That was the first time i ever switched boras in two hours. Go in the same shot at same. We'll see but here's the thing i had a good excuse because trump was always pat and he came in iraq. If you want to weigh like my man and 'cause i have like geico soldier boy hairlines like like that yes yes. I had a hairline. Mine was like that thuan would keep my shit true. He wouldn't push me. You bet <hes> keys will push me back a little bit so that my shit was even but it didn't goes pushback. How important is it for guys because i i know a lotta dues that it's like weekly. It's religious. They go in to get their haircut. How important is it finding. That barbour owes fun. It's a haircut for us is as important as y'all's make <hes> or getting your nails done. Consistently show me is like when i put it to you like this when i was living in paramount still bill <hes> and my barber vince the barbara who has still go to move to like fuck and like <hes> like north hollywood and shit. I was definitely driving having like our and some chain or like a lineup like every week just to make sure it was crispy. 'cause you get to a point where not only are you trying to look good but you just don't feel right. You know it's not like land of mice. It was like getting fuzzy you of my if i got these little hairs kinda come in right here. The that kevin was what the fuck it's come out i get i get weird about it man i i need to. I used to tell people all the time when they buy me out to the club or party. Whatever i'm like i here's my cut broke. You can't do if my hair wasn't cut. It was raining. I wasn't going out there so for me. I got smart. I was like i'm taylor had a fucking cut. Hey barbara that's part of the reason why i don't have hair. I'm practicing myself and i didn't have the right equipment like i. I was lining with the same shit. I was fading with because i didn't have liners. I didn't have money to get it but eventually i learned that i started making money off this everybody and yeah i was gonna rick for a while before i started making room not still funny story about the million dollar spot is one time super-busy everyone everybody was busy. I needed a cut right. This is probably junior senior year so there was a little little do a little little person that was working there. The actual little person right like <hes> like that was that was him had little person right. Nobody wanted to go to him. You know what i'm saying because not because he was a little person he just wasn't good. He had a droop in one of his is delivered would just drop sometimes to be laughing at this is no. That's not yeah funny. But how do you have a job where years vision is so important. You have to trust issues came and he was new like like most like even if you're a new barber rank odeon knows you so i was like you know what i'm i'm not gonna judge this dude off his droop. I and whatever ever preconceived notions these other people have go. He was like hey man. You need a little cool cole and was funny is felt everybody in the saab light like was barbara south stances long gambling. It's all right here. We go so this is a bad sign when i wasn't even looking game and i knew he fought my shit just from his razor motions what i'm saying he had the clippers and and okay now. My hairline is not complicated okay. It's it's this and this and it's this sneaky but he took my shit and made it do this like this straight. It was like it was it was all bad though and after the cut i was like oh my god i was wearing a headband every every day for two weeks until you bag but headbands weren't allowed ask out bringing new hands every day because if they can get it taken away and security was like you know as you know the rules i'm like bro. You don't understand this is not a joke. God good old job islets sailorman single water break. No awkward silences guests was <hes>. I was dope about being a while. Is that line bar barbas every day. You know what i'm saying that barbara's onset so it's like you would always just have somebody like to line you up even if you weren't we're on for the day saying fucking conceited wears a hat every day but he would go to the barbara. Get a whole haircut dog not just the lineup he would get his whole shit it cut and he has a really good hair into the habit and win fucking giant fluffy curl yes yes and and he would always get it could would never have his hair except for like one episode. I think he abandoned his head was like you've got oscar. The haircut and ours is ah this beautiful into their best thing about working on gray hair but i was gonna say is crazy because while now well <hes> you know it's on v._h. One now instead of m._t._v. like all the new episodes coming out on h. one and <hes> i think i remember on m._t._v. to we. We loved it because does it was we was able to be more off. We got away with a lot of stuff and then we went when we went to the big m._t._v. It was exciting for everybody because it was like oh shit we own a big m._t._v. but at the same time <hes> they toned down a lot of stuff in terms of editing <hes>. I think some people felt like they were cutting our our best stuff because of you know they didn't wanna do controversial and certain jokes. They didn't wanna make and so when they went to v._h._1. Bro in episode aired recently and i couldn't believe this shit that they they let them get away with like. Normally you know. Normally it's always kind of like hey guys. <hes> like like you can't make gay jokes domain gauges because 'cause when jason joined the cast from hollywood locked it was i don't gay jokes and like um because they didn't want to didn't want to offend any of the community right so there was the episode dog that air like two weeks ago where jason <hes> who who loves to make the who loves to make they're like yo. You know concede who was in my room last night job. They was letting him letting other people get their shit off against jason so jason joke where he said like like he fuck conceited and concedes day was little is something like that so khan said some joke because they shoot atlanta right and he made some joke where i i forget what the what the atlanta freeways but he was like something something like jason. Your booty holds more than those something freeway in rush hour. Ooh the only then d._c. Came up and was like jason. Something something. I dunno like i but i i know is true. Whenever you fought it sound like they may they let him make a luth boody to to gate jason <music>. This is what they get away with v. h. One i couldn't believe it because like as progressive ah yeah i agree i agree. I feel like we're all going to be equal and treat each other equally especially on the show like wow now that we're gonna make fun of each other. We all be allowed to crack jokes on jalen. It and gay dudes make magnificent gay jokes. They're so good then. They don't really have problem with this yeah. They just it'd be hilarious right fucking. Do it equal jokes making gauge. Oh my going going to pass on now. I'm going crazy because like you know the house completely different than the beach when we grew up on what i'm saying on <hes> rupaul strike races actually on v._h. One and they do a lot lake for the community. Oh yeah of course so that's i mean. Maybe there was a conversation at like the board. They all had a meeting. They were like let it go and rupo like that can make a joke wouldn't even gay. He's just he's just a really good. 'cause i love possible. Report is brought man like as far look man rupaul as far as like just just like the cross dressing like trans community right even when i was a little kid everybody likes rupaul like i feel like rupaul was was the one a whole new down since before anything was even out in the media like a crazy from an music. They've stayed the same age uh-huh goodness. I think he goes by but i appreciate you. I remember i was onset with with with rock in we're shooting escape the night and and i said abra man he's crazy and they almost like i think i think i think bread goes by. She and i was like no. I don't think breath he was asked. What is your preferred a. What is your preferred pronoun. He's a a bit. I don't care fuck. You bitch cool. I love it love obsessed with like his videos him and his knees and just all the stuff that he poses really like that going back to that. I don't give a fuck attitude and it's like like how you said. You know glad you're being aware but he's doing the same thing he's like. That's cool but not so serious all the time. That's fine. We get it that it's new and that's kinda. Though i mean bremen rock is just funny as just like. Am i going to think about it. Is you know a lot of people are funny online but they're not funny realizing when i was on set with the with this man like like he is hilarious and reliable he talks in fucking soundbites like everything he says is a quote. I couldn't believe either. I was like is he. He's he's having a conversation here. Look i'm not funny. The people will tell you that people tell me you're not funny. Real life strangers like we'll have i. I had a australia once on girl tassone at a bar. I'm trying to get a drink like hey. You're not funny real life. I was like okay. They were standing there. Doing funny do flips well. Guess what your ugly relax. They say that but you felt it from me to girls to like imagine. Excuse me your photo. I get this. You look better in person than you do online. You look better than i am like. Am i supposed to take that as a compliment. I'm going to why thank thank you very much. Yeah no okay so that's funny because i also think you know. I also been having a hard time telling you yeah i've i've. I've heard from multiple people like i've gotten comment on twitter. Whatever like oh get the blah blah. Why he's he's attractive in real life. I'm like what can we do to me. What's the deal bro. Alex alex reid <hes> who was on our show a couple of weeks ago. If you haven't seen that episode <hes> alexander you know of course she was she was a k pop <hes> like idol. They call them idols out there. She was a k. pop idol title for a while as she was in korea she one time she was just riding around and <hes> on a bike or or yeah she was out in about <hes> <hes> and she she didn't have make done dinner hair done out chilling gopher walker some shit and she says some girl some like eight. Bob fan ran up to her uh-huh. Oh sorry i thought you were i recognize feelings feelings hurt and then the fan was like i thought sexy young my friends think you i don't i don't want you let me tell you my dad just beloved that episode so much can't stop talking about it. He's ever saw so funny. She's so oh good timing the way she says things are so i watched it three anger you know my dad for the longest time because you know put them in the blogs and sit like that for the longest time he <hes> he was like. Why does everyone keep saying i'm shit. I'm sick keeps saying she'd like no. No no dad there saying your shit and many like you. That's a good thing aw he didn't say i'm your dad's say that and i will scroll and read all this <hes> toys mom same thing while they keep calling me bad things what i'll well no. It's like baddest baddie. Don't get it get it. Get it out. I hate to say my dad. Understands ends all of it my dad. My dad goes on my livestream and i had to tell him to. Please stop responding one time. My dad was livestream and kept saying she's single aw dead and i'm just seeing this. My sister hops on the livestream issues like dead. What did you do. It and i'm looking and i'm like i was on air in the morning. So i asked is my calls. I said give me your phone right now. Give me your phone. I went and i sent my dad at takes. Get off my livestream. Now and you get amanda was like what are you doing and it was my dad just loves to be on there and the thing is is that my dad writes in all cap blocks but then he writes in pigeon like he writes in beijing so everything is misspelled. She's single the way on the brothers. At nicotera we met we had family group chance about mmg going dead fucking right in english but are you gonna spelling rate name and let them shout hawaiian. We don't get you on the line wind. Tell us auto g. Stories end up divorced. My dad loves it on. My goodness sat outside a hawaiian whole once again. I had to tell him change you change. It'll give named dad no hall in interesting question soon and i wanted to bring this up on the show because this is a very interesting question. This do right here. Messes me a while ago and i'm sorry i forgot to reply because fell asleep was eh but he sent me a really interesting question and i i told him i wanted to answer it but also i needed to give it some thought because this right here is complex and i don't say his name. I'm not ugh. I'm not so let's get right here. Says let's see <hes> <hes> <hes> i'm on a whole new wave blah blah blah. I got an a grad school blah. Ah blah okay. He's with this girl. She just graduated college. We love each other. She loves me but she just needs to go out. She said she okay so she needs needs to. She needs to get out she says burt and says she loves me but she needs the whole out and i feel that man her even creating dialogue about that is so mature i never did that. I just cheated in past relationships because we're dogs like that. Ha ha he says i wants to know at what extent should i have respect for myself respect to move forward without her and or respect her enough to let her and he says she's a great catch. He says i'm twenty four girls twenty one. I've done the whole stage and everything. I really grew with her. <hes> blah blah blah. <hes> let me skip all the details about his life <hes>. They're kinda long distance <hes> she she you is a long story short okay long story short. She wants to out out. Basically she brought up the idea of a hall pass so to to summarize interesting to summarize vay love each other. She never had a ho stage he did. He realizes that it's important important for someone to have a host stage but he's doesn't know whether he is like is this some bit shit. Lets hers show allow or if or if he needs to let her do this so they can move forward in the relationship and i was like and i was kind of like man. I need to think about this because you you know of course we always emphasize at a host. Age is kind of important. You know what i'm saying i mean like and when we say that we don't say oh. You need to go. Fuck fifty dudes but you just you know. I feel like it's important for everybody to just not always be in a relationship your whole life. It's a learning experience <music> stage you if you get one person. You may think you like this because you have nothing to compare it to that host as you get to learn what you liked what you don't like brian. Ah i think more than anything the host age is about being able to decide what you wanna do without having to check in with anybody and you know like hey if if i want to just hang out by myself i can't if i wanna fuck three dudes i can't it's just it's just my life right now. I'm making my own decisions and you so you don't like look back. Conscientiously like regrets now one of the things i came into my mind. Is you know i get it going and you don't wanna live in the oh i gave this man my best years years or blah blah blah blah blah or or i didn't do all that regret but there's if you feel as though is not necessary for you then it's not for you but if you're in a relationship and you're thinking thinking about i'm missing out then you shouldn't be where you're at because you're going to do something that you're gonna regret because some people are happily in relationships with their high school sweethearts and i'm no people and i've seen them mm stay together and they've been to get his family also other stuff and that's the only person they've been with but they never thought about a whole face them. It wasn't necessary but if you sit down in a relationship relationship and ask for a past that probably isn't the relationship you're supposed to be in. I don't know right now. It shouldn't be like where you're right now because i tell you this he let's go which is fine now if they're strong enough to come back together. They'll come back. Will they be the same knob any means but at least they won't have any regrets and they could have experienced that on their own. We're all here's the thing so. He's said they're kind of long distance that creates shit right there yeah that <hes> it sounds like there's been dudes trying right nancy's tempted. It's not so much. She's unhappy right. She just has tim tation with a lot of us. Deal with you know what i'm saying and she could have easily just stunning right especially with them being long. This is the fact that she was even mature enough to bring it up. Complete says more than and you probably shouldn't be in a relationship to me but but there's <unk> are ways that chance of her just being completely selfish. I wanna hold onto this 'cause he. Has something going on and this could be good or this is all. I know but i wanna be able to do what i want. So it's hard to know buffet him. I would say because he's young too yeah yeah twenty four and you got to separate if you can get in a situation where you both are doing that yeah that's fine and whatever comes from it comes from. There's there's a good chance that she'll go. Fuck around and fall in love with somebody. You've just got to be prepared for that and be willing to move on conversation is mature. You're definitely mature conversation and you know and it's tough right because i mean him even being like yo. I have my hosts it. She should be able to do some associate. Wow mature hair like you care about because you're going. It's selfish of me too. I've lived like i'm going to hold her back. She's going to regret this one monday. I don't want her to regret. I mean and also i mean i feel like he doesn't want to be in a situation where she didn't do that and then. Let's say they get married. She wants to go somebody a- and it sucks for him because like i like i get it. You wanna be super understanding but also like fog as somebody and i was going to say as a man but just as anybody that hadn't as a prideful person and somebody who like you know just kind of like holds another person dear to you. It's it's really hard to go through. Something like that and not be like are so who'd you fuck. How was the ed. Who do people say if we go on a break. We're done that. If you say you need space then that means we can't there. If you wanna come back. We have to talk about a lot of things and also even saying like. I feel that you have sagis get out of this relationship. In order to figure yourself out is like shape. I know that's probably the right thing to say because i care about you a you need to figure out you because this is not working out right now but you know once you cut that cut that title is kind of like shit. I know i can't say certain things now but but you know what you know what aside from all this if i'm just giving this girl advice bro you're twenty one single. Was that a girl or the do that role. Oh you telling the girl if you had a conversation with a girlfriend you'd like do you yes if the girl was writing me and was like hey you know what i'm in a relationship run out. I'm twenty one and i feel like i haven't done some things. I wanna do whether that be just being by myself yet. Having a fucking orgy twenty one offer like yoga live your fucking your life yeah once you are mean shit. That's the point. You know like you have if it's forever forever right like a lot of people you you find it. That's it but if you are open an confident enough in yourself to know that i don't have to stay in this relationship and ordered. This is all i'm ever going to get you like i need to explore. I wanted want to develop more of course that's what you want to say that we know people that have been in the same relationship to whole life and then end up funding other people saying laughter some significant shit though like i know girls who were just good good good good got pregnant had a kid and then it hit the <hes> they didn't live and now you're cheating on family partnerships yeah what the fuck are the ones that get married and then decide like it's so tough because there's a society i saw a post on instagram and it was girl holding the sign that says i am thirty. I am not married and i have no kids and that's okay and that's something that a lot of people men and women got like really grasp onto is that it's young like the mindset of the old school mentality of you. Have you have to do this. A certain way doesn't exist anymore. It's whatever you feel is correct so if you feel societies nineties pressure to make you get into a relationship that you don't want to be in forget that because it's not as you're making that pressure up now. You don't have to do that necessarily man. Let me tell you young people out there man when you're growing up. You feel like you're going to be married when you like. Twenty five was the number if i didn't have a baby by twenty-five have you had this one person in high school that that one friend in high school that your d._n._a. Is good enough that we can have right right right we in this crazy. You know you look at your life. You like okay eighteen being college a graduate college in four years. I'll be twenty two. We're gonna have a great job. Yeah travel the world for a couple of years and then settle down. I'm going to be completely content in an excited with my family and my life. Nothing's ever going to be wrong breath. Nothing nothing like everybody else and let me tell you when you get a fucking twenty one twenty two year like hey man fuck god. I'm broke a my close to graduating. I left school already a huge. Let alone with somebody. I i literally got into bottle surveys three days after my twenty first birthday and i'm seoul happy note. I'm so happy that my parents always put emphasis on the fact that i'd never needed to have a relationship or to be <hes> <hes> to have children in order to be happy. That was one thing that i like to this day. My parents have always said don't stress off of that is going to because if you stress off of it you're going to end up in something. You're not supposed i would be <hes> so i know a lot of people twenty one. I tell you when i hit twenty five it really twenty five and twenty seven. We're like shit. Shitty ass year really as far as feeling like the pressure pressure like i was nowhere near <hes> having a baby or being married. I wasn't even close and i'm looking at my career. I'm looking at my finances. I'm like <hes> no. Oh like i can't do any of the supposed to be quote unquote doing what the hell's going on and then one day you kinda wake up and you're like <hes> life is pretty dome. Yeah we're good but that happens eventually right. Ask the thing about it is those late. Twenties are late in and that's the thing no one tells you pay for your photo. You ain't gonna go on a date to give. I'm sorry because it was rough. It was it was a rough couple of years right right what to your point. Greg always says like you know like a girl doesn't want to hang out offer. They say the dinner day then they'll be down at least often. It always lying. You ain't gonna order the salad on that date. She was about to eat everything man. Let me drink a quick little tangent or maybe this'll be the topic who cares during my dating years i took <hes> i took this girl to get some food and it was it was like it was kind of a date. I guess you'd call it a day and <hes> and she was so lame like here's the thing i usually i. I enjoy the dating process because i like new conversations with with fun people over good food. I enjoy that whole process. A lot of people don't like dating. I i liked it right but this girl was just so like the conversation was so dry like i'm trying trying to pull conversation out of whack i was bored and i was getting frustrated with her and kind of like resentful just looking at like fuck what is wrong with this looking in these dumplings and so i won't in my head i'm like i'm a dozen bears because because he's like annoy me right now so she she's like. I'm going to go to the bathroom like he gets a little bathroom like go poop poop right now. Tell me put it as going back. You prove right now that she did not like. I was cracking inside. I gotta question okay. If you have an option. Take someone say you don't you don't necessarily know if it's it's full-blown like dinner might be a little expensive you looking at her like. I don't know if i want to take you to dinner. Nasal lunch day and a coffee day was the difference between the two of those if you ask oscar out to coffee or if you ask her out to eat <hes> do you feel. There's a difference first of all yeah. <hes> lunch and coffee were always a the less is threatening okay so it was like you know. It's like coffee lunch dinner right i think i think everyone feels the same way. You know what i'm saying. It didn't dinner feels a little more intimate saying at night. You know you might get a drink. You might not whatever whatever right <hes> if i was always trying to be you know maybe just kind of make her comfortable at first song. I was like get some lunch or whatever right it was more like. I'm really trying to make you understand a hey man. I'm not what you think i am. I just i'm cool. Just have a conversation. It's not that serious. Let me take you for some cars. He let's grab a smoothie light shit because them shits can last an hour or they can last ten ten minutes. There's no pressure yeah you know so i if i would always open up back in the open with ice cream lend gauges my screen. Let's get some ice cream because one. I feel like everybody loves ice cream rick and also what i grew up. I like i like ice cream and i can eat mushroom sometimes as long finishes stores this is this is this is ground breaking news plug a great curse story. I forgot what everything i was just saying. This is crazy. I would always say hey you know a albany. She was always a. I think you're pretty. We get some ice cream because i feel like it's not threatening. It's not extra. It's just like okay. Cool like an ideal day. The company went and got ice cream permanent q. super q. I actually masuko. Do you respond when you're at a as a as a lady <hes> when you're asked to you let's say coffee as opposed to ask to dinner. How are your internal reactions to both of those <hes>. It kind of like what you said like my mind goes okay. This is a feeler round the test. I tell everybody before you go to dinner with. Someone should probably try daytime activities <music> because dinner has that like you said if we drink the possibility of sexual interaction increases dramatically because the mood is set specifically specifically for you to feel certain ways of different connotation you know i'm i'm dressed different my energies different but during the day you're probably getting more casual probably what you're going to most likely deal with on a a daily basis versus that one date probably gonna only get to do you know once or twice so i haven't done any of that in a long time. The single brought us way brought. No no don't worry about don't work. She does not hang loose out brought run on now. Hey snowflake anyways. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Leave me a comment already. See seventy two of you after tim pose the damn photos votto. You're not trying to get you like ice. The whole life guys my whole life. I've known rick for damn near twenty years now. He did not like ice cream like and it wasn't that you hated hated ice cream. It's just that you would never lacked. Nano never like in the move is cream like if i was at birthday parties and they scream cake. I just got the cake. You know shit like that. If i did eat ice cream it was like the fruity shit like surveys shit. I'm getting emotional you know but it just wasn't my thing and then slowly. I would like some shit like flurries. It has to have a lot of eminem's if i get to the point where it's just ice cream though in italy but here reasonably man. I don't even remember when it happened but it was just like in the mood for ice cream. I bought a little garton ash finish it. I don't even remember. I didn't finish it but the fact that i did that was at whoa guys. This is this is this is this is crazy in a here recently me and today did like a tasting 'cause tyler the creator just collab- with ice cream place put out ice cream so we did like chasing shit and it was amazing like in every time i talked to him the ice cream same. Where's your favorite ice cream's my favorite ice creams <unk> by man rite aid right but <hes> <hes> you know i kind of <hes> i mean i don't really have a specific <hes> like a local drips and swirls out the david soul drift and swirls really good. I've never been but i'm sure it's really good. <hes> you know i always love. I love some cold stones what i'm saying. Someone's got some good like they don't have the nila eh this week cream shit that i really like <hes> and <hes> <hes> sh should i know you nick. I i recently got into gelato more. The talian creates a lot more. That's really good <hes> saul. I don't know if it's all end straw or salt draw draw. They have some really good flavors like i would never expect so as more i feel like the adult ice cream experience when you go to that place and is as soon as you walk in. There's was always a line there and it's kind of when it seems like one of those trendy places especially in san francisco you see the line item fucking. Wait in line for no damn icing. I'm waiting lying for some damn ice cream. It was is good. I will wait. I definitely focus more sophisticated with a lot of people don't like the jasmine flavored ice cream. They say it tastes like perfume. How about lavender flavor lavender and honeycomb yeah. I i love that i had that i hate easy into flavors mcflurry extra extra eminent as smashes real subtle before if i did it would be vanilla. Manning finding wrong with that is like all that extra shit costa owns. It was too who much his was funny. As first of all you know he would fuck with <hes> dairy queen dog. They have no no this. I love their. Nobody uh-huh no let me tell you everything specifically specifically what you fucking which is new because they got these these ice creams that they ebb and so on the surface. One of the options is critical orange cream stucco dog. Yes yes shit. It was funny and we all right. That's a great lakes blowing and also if we want to talk about the complete opposite of awesome. What's your ass ice cream flavors cheese goto con candy abc. That's ours it. God gandhi <music> abc going man. Hey i like some candy. Are you talking about like the rite aid flavor one was reading purple purple and blue and no. Let's tasty basing using again. Chocolate crunch is my all time favorite ice cream from thirty three steve god. It's a what i like. I am just past years of my life and see. I'm not a coffee drinker but i i my go-to. Now is coffee ice cream forever rebel haagen-dazs coffee ice cream that they would have the ones dipped in dipped in chocolate and coated with almonds or toffee. Now is the like my mom used to get that it was like we got the name stymie the wine that you had to ask permission in order to get because they would always bring home you know the three dollar seven gallon tub yes before ohka spoke with somebody who left at the ice cream is still throw them yesterday. I just wanna milkshake on grandma's stayed with monness. We had a milk shake machine like my aunt. My grandmother were really into appliances like food appliances until it was the industrial line. We had malt malt the malt powder. We were making malts all the time. Oh my goodness it was really <hes> type. People do this weird thing well first of all they some dope shit they do which is actually really good <hes> where they'll they'll take ice ice cream vanilla ice cream and they'll ordinal coconut ice cream tyco and ice cream and the <hes> peanuts on it which isn't crazy well. Some places will put like corn on it which like doc <hes> sounds crazy but it doesn't cause corner pretty sweet but they take next level on some weird shit. Sometimes a lot of places will get the ice cream and served in a hot dog bun so you eat shit in a hot dog bun which is kinda after his does now yeah it was like you know oh but source will do soda out of plastic plastic ziplock bags and ice cream out of the hamburger and put their weiner and ice cream. The same people know man when you don't have condoms got a legit still brad fucking ice cream the pointy one this wall. I understand the the multi-layered. Joe was talking about putting hotdogs cones. 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The Barber's Clever Wife

Myths, Legends, and Fairytales of India

31:45 min | 1 year ago

The Barber's Clever Wife

"Welcome to the myths legends and fairy tales of India podcast, where he bring to us stories of kings and queens off Princess fairy. And of crafty, wizards and magical be these are classic teals of adventure. Magic and drama. Brought to you in a new of Dodd by gutter study. UPN the magical ride with new stories. Every Marie did by shivani Bidu known more and to subscribe, visit midst and legends India dot com. The bobber and his level. Funds the fauna Tyne. There lived a barber who was such a full silly creature that he couldn't even do his business. He was a bad criticially of this trade in that he would snip off his customers years instead of their hair and got towards instead of shipping them out. Sh so, of course, he grew poorer by the hearings wind from bad to worse to at last. He found himself with nothing left in his house, but his wife and his razor whom his wife and his Reeser that is were as sharp as Shaar could be his wife was an exceedingly level person who. Who continually rated her husband for his stupidity? When she saw the had literally nothing left in the house. She began to give her husband, and you often what the barber took it very calm. Waters the use of making such Joe FOSS my deal said he used Ord me all this before. And I quite agree with you. I never did walk. I never could wall, and I never would walk smartly. That is the fat. Then you'll must make. Replied, his wife for I'm not stalled fees. You all do the Fallas and make something of the king. That is already feast going on. And he is sure to give arms to the poor very were more deal set, the barber sub missive -ly he was offered a freed of his level wife. So he did as he was stoned. And going to the Bally's begged off the king to give him something. Of something. You want me to give you something us the king? Who was both surprised and angry? What thing do you mean when you say something? Now, the Barbour's wife have not mentioned anything in particular. And the Bodmer was far too dense to think of anything by himself. So he on sewed cautiously. Some paying willow piece of land do set the king whereupon the lazy barber. Glad to be helped out of the difficulty remarked that perhaps a piece of land would do as well as anything else. Then the king ordered a piece of waste outside the city should be given to the barber win home white satisfied. What did you get off the clever? White was waiting impatiently for his rhythm. Give it to me quick. So that I'm going, by grit. And now, you may imagine how she must have reacted when she found that he had only got a piece of wasteland. But land is land said the barber gaunt run away. So we will always have something off ours. Now. Was that ever such a done head ranged the clever wife? What good ground is on this weekend. And where did he get blocks and ploughs and so the barber had? No, I'm so, but his wife as we have said was an exceedingly level. She said her wits to. And soon taught of a plan whereby to make the best offer bad bargain. She husband with on and set off to the piece of wasteland now. John dill, I see. She said to her husband and she began walking about the field. She would walk a few pieces and then begin to search for something in the ground. She would pick up a stone here or Pulau to weed then. But when anybody happened to what down the fought that was next to the field. She would sit down and pretend to be doing nothing at all. Now, it's so happened that seventeens were hiding in a picket Neil by. Watch the barber and his wife all day until the became convinced. Some ping mysterious was going on. So at sunset they sent one of their number to try and find out what was really going on. Well, the fact is set the bombers wife after beating about the Bush for sometime. This field belong tonight. Grandfather who had been lied five bucks for gold somewhere. He would just trying to discover the exact spot only could begin today. He wanted any one. Will you? The peeve promised. He wouldn't of course. But the moment the barber and his wife went home he called his companions and for them of the hidden treasure. We must look for the parts of gore before the two fluids return in the morning. Said the leader of the gang as he said, his cruel to walk. All night long the dog, and they'll dill the field looked as if it had been plowed seven times oval. Rovers were asked hired as tire could be the never a goal feast NAR. A civil peace nor to bitcoin defined. I Don King the win readers gusted. The Bodmer is wife when she found the field, so beautifully plowed. Love heartily at the success of our plan. Going to the corn dealer's shop. She borrowed some rice to sue in the field. This. The corn dealer willingly gave and struggle to you by which he would get it back threefold at our Stein. And what a bargain he made the land had been lying waste for several years and the deep digging done by the Teves brought out the best in the soil. The bottlers wife deep of bumper of crop. She paid off her debts gipped enough for us and sore the rest for a great number of pieces. Now when I saw this the were very angry. Indeed. The went to the bobbers house and demanded. He was our share of the hottest leave and aided the round as you very all. I told you that was going down. Now, the Barbour's wife. Fine. I have. Is a what? The house. Schools. Shad never have a single penny from it. Then he said the teams look out for yourself tonight. If you won't give us our share, and we will take. So that nine one of the teams hid himself in the house intending to open the door to his comrades when the barber and his wife were fast asleep. But the Barbour's wife saw him with the corner of her eye and resolve shoot teach him a lesson. She woke up her husband who was confused and panicked. What he was in a dreadful stage of olam he asked her what she had done with the goal pieces. She replied. I been when no one would find them under the sweetmeats in the pantry. I have kept it inside a fault in the little storage behind the door. The peeve shot cooled at the owner in this. He waited to all clients. He went to the pantry and sourced for the botch. He found the book exactly where the Barbour's wife had described it and made off with it. You reached the outskirts of village where his comrades were hiding. He whispered to them that he had got the prize feeling. They fled to a ticket where they sat down to divide the spoil. She said that were sweetmeats on the top set, the either divide then forced and then they can eat them for this tiring work this way thing and watching all this makes me very hungry. So he divided what he thought were the sweep meets as well as he could in the dark. Now in reality. The port was full of peaks need of cow dung the Barbour's wife had put there on purpose. When the Ps crammed what they thought was delicious food into their mouths. You imagine what faces they made and how they want. So they returned the next to threaten and repeat their claim to a share of the crop, the Barbour's wife or laugh at them. Care. The cry twice you full s one sly making big all night next. Feeding us on mail. It will be our ton tonight. Then another teeth hid himself in the house. Bud verse life saw him with often I win her husband us. What have you done with the gold mine deal? I hope you haven't put it under the Philo. She on said don't be announced. It is outside the house. I haven't hidden in the branches of the neem tree outside. No think of looking for it. Pave chuckled from his hiding place and win the house full pasta snee-, he slipped out and doored his companions. Short enough bad. It is cried the captain of the band building up into the branches one of you walk and fetch it down. But what he had really seen was all honeycomb foon greed. Big Brown and yellow Honey MEAs. So one of the peeves climbed up the tree, and he came close to the Honey coal and just reaching all to take Horta fit or honeybee new and tongue him on the high. He needed p Platt this hand to the spot. He cried out the rest from below yoke pocketing, the gold pieces, are you? Oh shame on you. I assure you not doing anything with the coin retorted the thief. But there is something that bites me this. Just at that moment on NADA Hornets tongue him on the shoulder. And he clapped his hand guy, die fall shave. We so you did it that time cry through this. Just use talk that once even make you soul. They send up another team, but he fared, no better by this time, the bees worth Harley rounds, and they stunned the wall man all over. So that he gets clapping his hands. He'll there and every with shape she shame on you to board the rest. Chunga? They call hold this. And she without the slightest noise too, cold for branch and one herself. -joyed the story. Listen to the food series of myths legends and fairy tales of India exclusively available on storyteller. Thousands of stories waiting to be heard start your free trial today by subscribing at WWW dot storyteller dot in. One after another the climbed into the tree they were determined to share the booty, the leader of the gang intent on having the price seized hold of the honeycomb at the same time the branch on which they were all standing rock. And the all came tumbling down. The honeycomb landed. Right. Don't talk of them. And then in spite of bumps and bruises you can imagine what a hand bead. There was. After this. The Barbour's wife had some piece for every one of the seventies was in the hospital. In fact, they were laid up with so long time that she began to think that they would never come again. But she was wrong. One night, it was incredibly hot and she had left the windows open. Let some breeze come in. She was awakened by whisperings outside and at once recognized heaves Weiss's. Thieves are planning to enter the house and rolled the woman. She resolved not to yield without a struggle. Therefore, she sees her husband's resul gripped to the side of the window and stood quite still. Soon the first fief fig n to be through cautiously. She just waited till the tip his nose was visible. And then flash she sliced his nose with the resou- as clean as a whistle. Yell the thief joined back mighty quick I've got my nose on something. Hush shh. Spot the others. Wake some on go on. Not me set the peeve. I'm bleeding like a pig. Maybe you knocked your nose against the shutter. I suppose said the second piece I'll go he said he began to climb through the window. But swish off went the tip of his nose to. Said he's ruefully this other something show. Better ban. Booing the lattice most likely. Remarks the third thief. That did not Larry. Although he said, can you imagine what happened next? Yes. Lake offline his no stew. Exclaimed hurriedly leaving the house as he held his bleeding. I really. So one hand cut symbol line on all line. Said the fourth fief what Callard you are. Let me go. But he said, no better nor the fifth teeth nor the six. My friends said the leader of the gang when it came to his storm. You are all the Sables one man must remain unhurt to protect the wounded. Let us return another night. Now, he was a cautious man, you see and he valued his nose. So they crept away Kelly and the Barbour's wife lit, a lamb and gathered all the new steps would Tim Lee safely in the little box. Now before the robbers noses were healed over the hot weather set in the barber and his wife, finding it warm sleeping inside the house. Put their beds in the courtyard. You see in those days there was no electricity and therefore no fans. Or air conditioning. People used to sleep outside the house as they still do in some villages, but let's combat to the bubble and his wife so they began to sleep in courtyard each night before sleeping. They made. Sure that the teams would not. On. But the teas are teams. They did it on seizing a good opportunity for revenge. They lifted up the wife's bed. They carried her off when she was forced to sleep. She woke up to find herself on her bed that was moving in the silver light of the moon. She could see for heads and the silhouette of three others. She knew ride today that the peace will going to take their revenge at first she gave herself up for lost. And though she taught and taught and taught she could find no way of escape. However as luck would have it the robo -sposed to take breath under abandoned Trie quick as lightning. She seized hold of branch that was within reach and swung herself into the. Three leaving her quilt on the bed. Just as if she was still in it letters restaurant, it here said the Seve's who were carrying the bed that is plenty of time, and we are tired. She's dreadfully heavy the Barbour's wife could hardly hill laughing, but she had to keep the wrist for. It was a bright moonlit night all after setting down there began to squabble as to who should take I watch at last they determine that it should be the captain for the those had rarely barely recovered from the shock of having their news is sliced off so they lay down to sleep while the captain walked up and down watching the bed and the bubbas wife sat forged up in the tree. Like a giant foot? Suddenly a thought came into her head drawing. Her white will the coming over our face. She began to sing softly, the leader of the robbers looked up and saw the field figure off a woman in the tree. It was a little surprised. But he was a good looking young fellow. And he jumped at once to the conclusion that it was a fairy who had fallen in love this handsome face fulfill. These are known to do such things sometimes especially on moonlit nights. So he told his mustaches gave her a big smile and finally winters. I waiting for her to seek, but the Barbour's wife went on singing and took Motors of him. Finally, he stopped her and called out. Come down, my beauty. I won't hurt you but still she went on singing. So he climbed up into the three determined to attract her attention when he came quite close. She turned away her head and saw. What does the metal my beauty? He asked tenderly. Of course, you oughta fading you'll have fallen in love with me having to. There is nothing to sire about that. Surely. Set the bubbler is wife with another side. You are fickle. With long pointed noses are always people. But the leader of the robbers swore he was the most solid of men yet. Still the fairy side and side onto the almost wished his nose had been shorten to heal tall teens. I'm sure set the Babas why just kept me chill town with the tip of mine, and then I should be able to taste if you are telling the truth or lying about it. So the robber captain put out his tongue and. The bobbers wife bit the tip off Trine. With the right and the pain he told the brunch and foam on the ground. What is the matter? Cried is comrades awakened by the noise of this fall. Rule. On sort. He pointing off into the tree he could not speak clearly without the office. Acta the ball in this year as if that would do any good. Said he still pointing upwards. A man is be Mitch cried one. There must be a ghost in the tree Jost thin. The Barbour's wife began flapping Waylon howling the robos without waiting to look began to run. They were so frightened that they did not even look back the drag their leader with them after the wine. Barbour's wife came down from the tree and walked quietly home after this. The teams came to the conclusion that it was no use trying to use force against the bobbers wife. So they went to the king pleading for Justice and to claim their share, but the Barbour's wife. Pleaded her own 'cause very where she brought with her the noses and the tongue tip as witnesses. The king was very impressed by her wit and presence of mind he sent the paves away to the prison and made her husband the Royal barber and gave her of big reward. The king's ministers were surprised they asked the ping. Why hit awarded the barber when it was his wife who was the real he'll the king smiled and replied. Who do foolish thing as long as his wife is alive. And she was no longer have to come to his rescue. That is the best reward. I thought of giving whole. This story was translated by flora Annie steel in the nineteenth century, the translated work has been edited for brevity context and language by her story. 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RHLSTP 272 - Steve McNeil

Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast

00:00 sec | 6 months ago

RHLSTP 272 - Steve McNeil

"Hello there were two another sta. This week would be amazing. Steve mcneal you can find him on twitch doing great stuff you can also find me on twitch twitch DOT TV Slash Archaic Herring. If you so minded you can give us some money for the tweet stream. Best of all if you're an Amazon prime member at you can give us five pounds or five of your local currency every month at no cost to yourself. we get most of it is done okay so far but if you're an Amazon prime member and you WANNA give us some free money go to my Youtube Channel. One nine six seven. There's a video on their expanding. How you do is just go to link the account so then subscribing remember to come back every month and do it again and you'll be getting free money right from Amazon stupid pockets. He he's an idiot. Why is he giving away all this free money? 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When people are that can become disgusting. Still stay sexy on to stink anyway. My wife would definitely be interested in this guest. Will you please come? I guess this week is A. She's non nerd. He is best known for being. The future. Face of Buffalo is the first time we've had someone best number seven. They haven't yet done it statement. Supernet off your book the future face. You've got here I am. I mean really gonNA alienate. Is anybody familiar with switch as a thing a six people so I do a thing on twitter stream games from my house? Basically I'd say my ass and play video games. And they watchmen a Webcam and give money to do that. Which has made that less clear so as a thing? I do yes I always. I always drank bovril thing so they started a campaign to harass buffalo. To make me be facing several. Could Happen. What no one else is. So it's white opens as-yet. They've not been good luck. I hope you will face above row. Thank you yeah. It'd could probably get some free buffer ten the money yet three boroughs now expensive but the Catholic so well. Let's have a look. I've been listening to you audiobook today. Which is all about the history of the video game industry? Yes it's really. I mean that doesn't sound like it's going to be good does it? I mean to some people you think are. That's going to be right but it's really good. You're actually Angelilli just really really good. I'm I'm not to the end yet so I don't know how they don't let me know where Miss Pacman dies. But I mean it's kind of incredible. You SORTA make a living now from video just from from playing video games. Yes yes in sorts of tweets. Which six of you engage. And that's how I do that but also lots of other things I like I actually. You'll solve a little a role model for me. When when I started out doing because I I do lots of different things in Davos off. I have a lot more. That was that was. I have a small but loyal fan base. You live shows which I with ropes. Hbo And I've got the I do. Podcast I've got the tweets stuff. Tv stuff as a win with the Roisin Fourth of market. But some lots lots of different little pockets of things that somehow becoming but none of them individually are a job stream mass enough different things. That sort of age. Yeah but like. That's the Kinda thing like when you're a kid sitting home in nineteen eighty s or now. That's said I'd love to get a job. You know my job. I would like to dumb. Was watching telly and writing about it. She'll that's why I thought the biggest jump to get or get free the idea of getting free video games and play in the Monday the free when we we we had a great bit wet. Comedic answer about two months while it was on. I got the ball to ask the free games right. I still pay full price for the Games. I'm sure I could ask like a book. Should get free ones but you are playing video games an right around the history when you were writing the history. It's a very. I mean I think for anyone of our age group and I'm a little bit older than you. It's very active. Because it takes you right through. I mean I was there. I was there ripe fruit for not quite the beginning. I realize having this book sure but certainly pong yet and the first time I played space invaders. I remember clearly everything. Boom sixty seven okay. She did that. She get like Pong Pong and specialists. Yeah so my daughter. My daughter my sister. Same thing from Somerset. My sister bought me a plug in the back of the TV to play Pong. Nothing a football game. There's a few different games on there. They were all pong paddle. Yeah Yeah Oh. You've ruined the Lucia saying backstage. I remember Just the smell octave smell when you plug in. Yeah what a potential fire hazard did start many flies in houses because he had this spending electric would put them into the area or soccer of your TV and then it would. Then it was ready to go. It was incredible. I don't remember with Phil. Frye who knew about everything before I did my friend Phil Frank. Full Front. I don't know who feel fries but it's just your mate again. He's also character and Futurama. Philip fries lead actor in. It's not the same guy because my friend is not a cartoon yet. He took me down the cliff. Hotel Out Cheddar gorge rice and he'd already been down then he knew all about space invaders and my place. Somebody's badly innuendo. You're GONNA wait here. And you take out that sucker remember just amazing and I was really into pinball which your book talks about Quite Large House quite the history of Pinball is quite is more interesting. The pimple attack. If if you care at all about video games make some sort of noise now. Okay Sarah as a couple of Christians got confused okay. So that was. That was enough for me to be happy so I will go down. Rabbit hoping the pinball thing is exciting because pinball actually where it starts. It's the book back. Tell when it was all wooden a mechanical? You just pulled little stick in the bulls just fell in all's and then it's really evolved but what was really excited about pinball different things so it was the electricity allowing you to have actual magnets off than having the road encounters in the digital things Yeah actually coin ops as well so actually vending machines vending machines having coin on some things so pinball all the new ways that you could make somebody who was in a place. Just put ten cents or quarrel ever in a thing and have fun. Pinball defines all of the way she did that and then everything else comes from that so without pimple. You don't have any of the other things but no one cares about pinball except you and my love I prefer pimple to visit video games. I didn't know that early. Pinball machines didn't have flippers that that blew my mind. No we're not the one that was at you again. But yeah and then he went. Oh we should stop tell that was again. That was the thing like in my tiny child or the old replied. Bagatelle showed seventeen hundred to that. Yeah but but yeah I. It's an interesting development of video games because obviously start with the massive computers that were too expensive. Anyone at the idea of ever having a computer was insane. The idea of being played games in Your House. It was it was really educational establishments with a place where things but for some reason they would let just kids who were studying so it was the tech model railroad literally the Nerd who liked to play with toy trains. We just allowed to go into the computer lab and play on the two hundred and fifty thousand dollar computer and that's where we got space. Which was the first game. But you wouldn't. That computer will be with about two hundred million dollars now. You wouldn't just let the guys playing with toy trains into piss about with it when you were shopping. But it was a free for all listening to that way. Because you would think this would never evolve into the people who realized the potential of putting this in arcades people's homes were pretty visionary or just crazy because because there was no market for Craig market that didn't exist and those early games will bad. I mean you would think that was the thing I don't listen to people. Talk about sort of an example evolution. Right yes indeed. Because people say evolution. How did the I evolve it? Wouldn't I so complicated? It would never evolve that proves evolution as an exist but computer games assault the savings that because the early ones shit and yet people still wanted to play them and now the new ones like an I fell detected light them like the first space will which was the first game was very so people are more familiar with the game. Asteroids got rotating clockwise clockwise thrust and shooting hyperspace all these things the space will but it came sixty two and now another clue what to do with it so it took nineteen years for them to go back through pong space-based things to then when asteroids funny ten people were ready to have enough. You were saying you. Anyplace scrabbling fingers can't work out controllers. Let's say that you need to have gone through all the steps able to actually do the Muslims. Yeah we'll stop playing video guy apart from civilization which I still play every night again. I stop playing video games in the nineties so I calm down stand. Anything works now. GonNa I was very much into. I was gone then. If you cover that in the book up I wrote the book just because I want to make sure the index Likud so I will have mentioned the game go navy golden in just like opinions but that was a favourite. My but it goes. There's a lot these guys taking chances every copy of ideas of each other like lots of stones and AP's kind of just chuck and stuff. Their warehouse was was a disused ice rink and they just employed dealers just 'cause they could pay them in cash and let it was when they side nicknamed the Tallis they then started employing actual people the criminals but yeah the inside things a scam at the beginning of the genesis of Pacman to Miss Pacman was pacman Miss Pacman. Yes because I'm just tell you things that remind book and then you can start if you're in the Miss. Pacman thing is wonderful because originally I'm going to call it was it was gonna be Mrs Pacman. But then they found out now what was it was Miss Pacman. Then they might cut scene in the game. Pacman and Miss Pacman have a baby delivered by a Straw because she was miss pacman. That meant the baby was born out of wedlock. So that has to go back. And Call Her missus and then midst. Stop People Hassling them about the sexual shenanigans of a yellow circle. That didn't exist. Yes there's all those quirky yeah video games. It's IT'S A. It's a really fascinating examination but let's talk about using so it's not wait. What were you doing before you were doing comedy at all where you I worked in fitness club Franchising in Milton? Keynes is energy. You've got one in the High Street Scandal Pasta. Yeah I've never known a shame. Always monkeying should work harder. That I think someone else's daily said come on you know. Do you do it now or something. It was one of those things I thought. Well if I can escape from the terrifying people of North Street run on a treadmill might work out and so you start us find the W was that your first we Sanford. And here's the other team captain on kgo eight bit. We started out in two thousand and nine. We started off right and sitcoms. We did the Sitcom trials did you. Do you know the come. Trust me the first thing we did actually won the attention from the BBC. In Morris who makes the in betweens took Sundays? We can help to start writing and then get a sketch in fact. The Sketch. Comedy thing originally. Why is Brenda Burns? I was in Brendan Byrne showed. That was before doing unless you just come out here at school. So I'm Brendan Burns. His show was the if dot comedy one comedy would write the and the the envy if no one. Because no one's afraid of Brendan on the show and I was. I was up there doing musical about antiterror legislation which actually got fivestarsoap Cardi B. Sarah Shit is always doing. I was doing that musical. And then there was no the on shore or on the on the forms on there when that forms. That just said we're looking for want guy a black guy and the Asian woman at the time to be in this controversial comedian show. Ms. Tanker Tonight so I was just up in Edinburgh just doing musical. Which didn't make any money so I just met up with. I was the only person really Sajida who ended up being in map and said y'all send quits and all that to do is sit there for an hour. Spit on me and then and then won the award. I got tasteful comedy through that Radio. Enjoy doing comedy plays and things but never going in the in the Brendon Burns thing. You were disgruntled. Yes at the Shaw goes flying. Spoilers spoiled yeah. If you haven't yet seen this anybody who sees it now. She's at concerts and things. I'm just addicted gig. Because when the youtube because of the Tumulus but the throughout the show for an hour he assumed that me and Sajida were a couple. Nate TRANSPLANT. That we were brother and sister and it became a very awkward thing where he was dealing with an edginess with race within the room. So the dating that was reading we were complicit in it but yeah I mean Sajida did a lot more than that to sit there and be all could white man which as you can tell. I'm aspirations from the audience. Hit loads only by middle aged women? The only people that ever hit me with middle-aged very rescue like a wrestler. That's what happened to the rest. Big Daddy used to get a giant haystacks. Used to get hit by middle aged lady me. I either angry. The yeah usually. I wasn't sticking up my sister right through the middle aged women so after that you were then in the double act yet so So I wanted to start doing when the show ended with the all the lights out every five minutes. That's pitched we stop. Yeah so I just reached out to people who who knew and there was fifteen of us in a sketch group which was the collective and they slow drifted away and became six six. The six was Jess Robinson who is brilliant. Musical impressionist Ali Lansley who writes for three British. The cooling station plays Sam's now ex wife. I think that's you know it'd be knows he's get divorced. That's fine I think about them. When does this go out well? After that way and so every drifted away people exist in the actual current timeframe that the people out there in the audience of Hoping. They won't let you just set that but they did away and it was just like with me. And Sam's it wasn't that we create w thirteen other people fuck off and just left the to the student so we became a double by everybody else. Leaving the KGO eight bit thing. Come out like you just by chance. Doing you're going to do a double. We'd given up so in two days three shows and the third was two thousand twelve and the third one got long listed. The Olympic Committee ought not allowed to know that never gets announced so we got close. They didn't get on the shortlist. GotTa really miserable last couple of days thousand twelve and then we had a sitcom pilot commissioned by the BBC and so we got to April of two thousand thirteen and at the time. We are where we are two things wrong about camels that we share and as case involved listing off white shades of paint for about eight minutes which wasn't worth the walk so we decided we weren't going to Edinburgh. We focus on the Sitcom but we had this idea if the other thing where we just thought. Well it's not really worth. He's not going anywhere. But if we get pissed and get comedians drumming up to play. Mary swear each other. We could probably charge drunk Scottish people. If you watch that and we could all have fun. It was never. It was literally designers. We get up. We at least have fun with the friends that we might have the lottery. Is We before we call it? A day immediately became far more successful than the work that we tried to write off the way it was a great idea and it's obviously led led pretty quickly to the TV show. Yes thirteen it was a friend of Picks UP A couple of months after Don the first Edinburgh and developed it but then it was Green at the end of two thousand fifteen so is from a piss up in fringe venue to TV commission with two years. Which really isn't that long. And then we have to make the whole thing three months which is why some shit but they made changes it right. Obviously the main change was Dr was brought in as became. Dr Brains go ED McClellan Pantheon and it was Dora O'Brien's kgo eight bit. Not Not Dr is always I thought about it. We knew where we were on the pecking all of this put his name at the start of the EPG and then it'd be a watch pro because they seize name and that's fine but it doesn't make sense because McNeil uncomfortable and it was like go ape shit. It was just a ship but Dr O'Brien's go ape. She doesn't mean anything so it was fun. Even the ship didn't work in the show is the first thing. Bso Dr came on Ellie Gibson. Who was a game in scummy? Mommy's now comedian shifts and the expert and so And then that meant that we mean something needs to be there but I think every felt too awkward to terrorist off so we sat on Sofas next to famous people every week and wave at the camera at this time we got to download DVD of the some of the breeding writes with the gophers a strike. Oh why did I when I got the special this out today so just coming out but essentially I was contractually obliged to do a bookstore when I did when I got commission throughout the book. Book Toys Really Boring so I just came up with other things I could do. That weren't reading books so the DVD's and our of me avoiding doing the Book Reading. Actually so you talk about the. There's a bit where the TV's to be weighed. In Wayne's World Wayne's world gets TV company and the guys after it all gets gets turned into something more commercial and do you feel? That was how it went when he went onto. It goes down twice but it was too. That credit is what it was it was it was very lousy was very mild cost when it was a live show. And it's very so if we lost we did four. It's like the ball of Jalapenos dams. It's very visceral and Boise. So if you're GONNA make a TV show it's GonNa be lighting attainment and family. You can do those sorts of things. There were sufferings. I think one of the guys who didn't particularly my brand of comedy so me and Sam really suffered in the for the thing but to a large extent as well. If you've got Jonathan Ross and Richard Osman on one week their former famous now people are gonNA shoot for them to ask you want to make the most of them to get people to come back so I think we suffered by having our jobs pushed to the side when we brought in Dr nearly and we never really found where we sign it so if we had something so funny. You couldn't pretend we happen. It would go in the other night. There wasn't there wasn't really the space the format I guess. Yeah but it's sort of that often. I think do the right thing. They try to take that Italian and they added bits and things that took away from what we feel is a bit like that happened enjoyed the TV show as well. Everybody feels like they took away something. Even if some improvements like there was a catchphrase that they decided last minute they didn't want to do literally live. We'll issues with coming in so we we still do it now with Wifi wants to show that we do we. We get people to before we let them play a game where we game we get into. Let's do a gaming which we got told them we were up from the TV show. We can do it because it was nath as if we didn't know it was Nath Award. It was a bit of work. You're begging the way it evolved through. The show was at the first live show. I was always the geeky one in San much cooler and I just thought it'd be fun to have a catchphrase. That was the best thing I could come up with. But over the threes we live. That became a thing that we did show and it was so how gamers use memes and in jokes. It was the thing that let us all know. That's absolutely thing that is our suit wasn't it wasn't meant to be good. It was meant to be sort of wink. One of us And then they got graphics but they so then we brainstormed over things like let's go clockwise but in the absence of saying anything different or just putting is awesome museum though. So we'll these but it's weird that it happened in the last half an apple. The shot no one. No we've been working on it for three. We'd been lucky chat had before and yes it was. It was a very last minute decision but that was the last thing the show until that was. I think the only thing that you would recognize if you went back to live just on that very last one inch it's interesting. You say that as well about those those catch phrases those things that appeal to gamers because a lot of things the things that are begging gaming down the characters you recognize. If they'd gone through a committee meeting would marry Oh of ever existed of. He's a plumber jumps on mushrooms. Sometimes a plumber happened to Leo. Now if you try to put that Kong we know there was talk about the problems with Donkey Kong being compared to King Kong and the legal issues with that yes but people just make stupid decisions in Pacman. If you put that through committee someone getting probably Games a fundamental ridiculous but I think the hardest about because we hopefully by the time this this Ashi comes out. They'll be another show that we're working very very closely but the hard thing about television is I think in about ten years time. The people who are in sort of `gate-keeping TV they'll all have had a relationship with games and fundamentally and and that's true that's true age and gender in all respects because the people that we work with sports during the twenties and thirties. They just all play games. These very common but the process. Ab certainly was having to educate people who might be in their fifties. I haven't really touched it in thirty years commission. Gains is a thing that one of the weirdest things about the process was. I think there was a general feeling on on the production side of things. Sometimes if well of course they'll play their games because they'll be glad if the advertising but video games industry makes more than movies music and TV combine that I give a shit if I make a joke about your on Dave choose. They don't need that profile so I think there was a misunderstanding about the nature of the relationship that maybe I don't WanNa say our cans because that's not fair and ignorance or naive about what the games companies relationship with. It was going to be quite difficult. Yeah I carried on so you do. Wifi was which sort of comes out of it so Wifi. There's no reason anybody should know. Rob Such who built your first website but was so you know he was our first and we put it in the Goblin King of the Internet on Fister Fan. I Call Him Rob and yeah so he was. I think he just got in touch with us and said you WANNA do a website. We had like an account quite remember how start up a group of fans went onto. Pcb that some of the kids your websites and these guys coalesced around us and ended up doing cartoons or some ended up doing website. Yeah we had a website sort of all most before before the Internet was thinking invented. The Internet I think. Fister fundamentally in rob describes it but in a way no spaces in the way he sort of has now. So thank you. Don't taking the skills that he did have and let me have them back rubs. Now we've actually on on Monday. We're recording this Monday. We just he's doing this technology where you'd have to install anything on any device any browser any operating system we can beam games. Enquist questions to your to your devices. And he's been working on that for about six years. It started off with six people and it can now be everything up to and including a three d first person shooter that everybody plays against each other. But what he's managed to do. This year is built on a scale where we can literally do a live global broadcast where everybody watching the live show can compete on the things and win the show and we can even being the game play back from their phone and show. It's on the live show. So we captain Morgan. God bless I mean. I'm not a plug from but Digi who behind got some more and more to do this thing in pop sweep the first trial this week where we had five different pubs around the country. All logging in they're playing themselves but also for their teams with their mates like puck team and the pub versus Pope. But he's built this thing. Now where scalable. You'd just do that with thousand pups in twenty different countries and just have everybody everybody playing the thing is. I'm so lucky I met him. He has we we. We just don't have fifth annual lecture at the Royal Institution in Mayfair about his technical. Claverie is they're just asked to go back and do the Christmas lectures again for the second season actual genius and so but he used the ingrate bits when it was a live show. The finale of the show was the COMEDIANS can piss off your Organza. Play the final game and wins and then wall. What was lovely. Fun of what really happened. Was NO-ONE ONTO IN TV. Land understood why rob was clever reporting so we managed to make sure that you know the contracts of eight bit now on paid rob or any of his. I pay so I just went over coal. That wifi wars make money doing that. Which is so far has paid is the thing so it was it was. It was a frustrating process. It's a blessing angle fucking clue robot. Now go cool box of to do all this other stuff. It is amazing. I've been done a couple of times Christmas Christmas. One of the me and my wife where he made the most complicated quiz we've ever. It was something pointless. You've relationship with pointless show. So he made with my wife. As well our relations with Sean right appoint a double I think you might not pointing story inverted it. But he couldn't even he didn't understand the rules of how it wasn't you had to get points answer. It was the opposite of that but not and it was Alphabet Echo. There were three things and it was on their phone. It was terrible confused. You try a major your own custom game but you did. Such a badger passes through other people. Champion is really good. From being part minorities playing a game you think this ranking and you realize you're not very good at it. Yeah that's my personal experience but it is. It's an extraordinary thing to get it sponsored cheese on Wednesday night and there was one woman to put stuff in his embarrassing mom with her son and she kicks his ass every delicious so she gets her name on the top side on the scoreboard wallet. Kids nowhere else working on working on that technology elsewhere or was this literally all. I mean this is John Fox Studios. They do the fringe. They start off doing a similar sort of thing. They tend to do most where they build really complicated computers. You can actually like control thing. That makes breakfast was one of those shows robot. Shafts they sort of do interactive fun stuff but not in the same way but really no one else would have bothered to bizarre career. Cul De sac that because I just loved video games and then I got lucky that the Pesach why didn editor became jokes about Games and playing games and Robert inventing the had nowhere to be by. Because what we saw the format rights to go eight. Bits or couldn't do it live anymore but mainly developed soya. So really the quirk of me being a video gaming comedian which isn't a job needing a new show which he happens with vent thing we could use. Nobody did no one else would do the six years of development on that because there isn't a thing but because of where we are it's that somehow become what we do. Yeah it's great. Do do check it out if you gotTA chances. It's really good fun and very interesting. I hope we become millionaires of especially rob visa already. It's probably secret a millionaire of the incident some our knees realms skirt laced you'll be in bitcoin UBI. Bitcoin right submerged question. Wait a couple of weeks for this and if you. This is the newest one or not to be home. If you could have all the art galleries museums in the world. Get together and say you're allowed to have one thing and keep it for yourself. It could be a piece of art. Could be exhibited in. The museum could be historical artefacts. You're allowed to keep it which one thing one thing one thing from. All the world's museums are not gonNa as you can have one thing that you own. What would you say? There's a picture by Picasso's bird on a tree shit a bird you've ever seen but it's beautiful can hi. I'm in New York and is but there's a challenge this to it but there's also something about the color depth stereotypes night and I have been there for days days days for Valentine's show Bird on a tree. But there's no punch as if they have that one please would you keep it? Depends I if I was tested. Okay I'm GonNa ask you what's on some of the new questions from the back these books. We'll be available after the show as well Richard available. If you only had a week to live he would you go fuck themselves? In my life show are referred. I referred to the guy who makes him interesting Susan going but it's Flagstar because he worked on the it one celebrity sheet putty show flocks. Flagstar should be tough at the fucking book again. Anybody who else you fuck off. I'll probably everyone just. I think I bought up. Actually my wife's here and I love very much if conscript sell it for. Coffey probably feel nice for ten seconds before the consequence. I love you after right to the very end. There's no she knows them. Thanks take it on the word. Fuck off tonight which I sort of have I'm gonNA. I'm GONNA regret that you're GonNa wish you a dog and a Wink Ping and she's not okay. I'll go for some class. They deserve some classic emergency questions. Bearing in mind my wife and parents are here. Yeah familiar with your work. Shouldn't have brought them is what I'm saying if you if you getting into briefed him in the and if you were going to be put in the human centipede yet you're in the sort of same answer. Possibly to the previous question here. Would you have in front of you? Who would you have behind? You Got Twenty quid that we send Pencil and I'll say your kids some point you've got there with the consequences of the shit thrown around on these things can pick which ones from which ones but it's also nice this. It's like Sophie's choice. We'll make a film it. Have you ever seen a ghost? Well don't believe in ghosts but it could get you on the front page of the Daily Star if you have done levels of fame. I'm realistic about where I am on the career a I am. I lived in. Don't believe in ghosts. I did live in a house. It was on the High Street in Handy on Thames work experiencing nine hundred ninety nine when I was in managing knows working for some. It company and everybody that came to the house was terrified. Was Tyler House. Lot One up one down let tiny little place and they still have got lean to build on the back. There was a kitchen downstairs bathroom in the thing and no one lights always the door. Shut downstairs in the lounge and in the bedroom and no one likes this or backstairs and everybody who was in house for uncomfortable. One night it was during Christmas and I woke up. There was the details me. Nothing because over but it was the one night we slept with the heads at the bottom of bed. I think we've been watching a movie on our laptops or computers so we changed the way. Remove sleeping by welcome in the music line and open. I woke up and I saw a woman and a child stood by the bed looking at me holding hands. What was really weird about? It was in that moment it was it was on. The House was a scary to be in. It didn't feel scary. Which was strange and oversee. This is bullshit this happened. And this is my recollection and then but to the point that I wrote my eyes and so that's insane and kept and for some time was present looking at that to the point that I was comfortable. The this is the thing is is my life now. I guess I just look at ghosts now but then so you know for about five. Ten minutes just was president with that but he was very it was very calming and then eventually. I just decided I would try to shut my sleep. You know. There's a few shut your eyes and just check. You haven't gone ten horrible demon or anything I guess but yeah so so yes but clearly. That's insane and I didn't see it goes goes aren't real. I've as much as possible experience looking at ghosts for ages as I think. You can give a thing or that's ridiculous. Yeah but they're not really now. You're asleep soon dream. I I agree I stream house. You ever see as a cool story to tell. Have you ever seen a ghost in the video? Game on another sure. I think we're pretty funny. Thing was a witless game. Shows think of anybody yes? I'm sure synagogue. Pacman this through this this. I'm GonNa be good at this all right. If you have a finger that child free time. Yes what would you do with that finger and it's got to be? You could play any video game from anywhere with a finger can do that without John. Paul to play Games so a couple of times we spend the PUCK. Much I see through the little hole gets put my we can look that big fingers finger go through that and then can you let us come on. Let's talk a second one and then just stretchy of another peak that's against the laws of ECON- because if you can stretch it and you can get your head in. Yeah that's that would be. You can crawl through gene tombs. Surprise reference got a lot as a very specific the first season that the X. Files Richard. Yes I I remember that. Can it go forty Jagir Ford and times? It could even go. Just stay in the president if you want. But that's a waste. Well it could be in other places. Yeah there's a thing right now I want to touch the isn't here. I've got to use the whole. Yeah that's true when I find enough which is surely will and it won't be long. I think I'd like to do is reached. I'd like to press the button. The makes of the bombs go crazy so if you could give the big red button wherever that is I mean. There isn't one is there? Maybe in Russia is one button. No make all the bombs go off. Okay that would be stupid thinking through and tick the box that says yes. Please make the big red button. You don't have a second and then Mikey to destroy. Destroy everything that can be legacy. Well no no. No the mutant survivors. Okay cockroaches and then go through shot through it was me. Lull that everyone and everything on Earth Richards with my fitness. You must do Mardi Bletchley Park. I did I just do that. Everything about you. Talk about my actual friends on facebook or no. I think you mentioned in your show did. I didn't mean to what was that. Was that your choice. Maybe you that I can talk about marriage. Your wife's kids got married pockets. You can't get married then. We're very very lucky. And when we got married it was actually it was in the main house but you have the entire run of the place we married in the library. Beautiful and then. We had a reception in the ballroom at the back. But the best bit was actually. It's not there anymore. It's like cupboard officers I mean but the original NAFEESA from the from World War Two we still there as it had been in the forties so all of that was actually the proper nine four by gossiping pocketed. Beautiful to get on the machines when you. I mean they've gotten drunk could send messages to each other. We'd just texter good. Oh you got to tell the story about the like playing in the in the blurb for your DVD book. It says that this happened Joe Honeymoon but I think in the book you say it was just when your holiday but you became you're playing videogames imbed on holiday. I spent all night playing megamall story on my smartphone while I was on honeymoon myth while on honeymoon with my wife to the extent and we were in Italy and so I played at the you know the name of the Game Major League would not where you went on honeymoon initiate. I is a bad if anything could describing it. Actually it would be worth. I was playing this game. I loved and I played all night Lang. Lang Abed honeymoon woke up the next morning and had done a strained my so actually when I go to the doctor say. Couldn't you speak Italian? Bits of Hello. I am honeymoon. I streamer anything then explaining what will because he needs to. How is that? What's happened on your honeymoons? Your eyes go now. We Sing my wife for the first time. I know I was playing video games. Yeah Creek and and so they had been gaming. I patch of rest my eye and then so it so the locals then took to calling me leader. I think she's the Pale pirate in Italian. So my wife honeymoon was with the. Pale pyro a week. Thank you nice. Do you think you should not play video games on your honeymoons and really could gain. Make sure you get on the switch. Now it's really good. Anyone played it is true about this and the DVD or that download of when you go on TV. They tried to make you have plastic surgery cosmetic surgery because yeah they wanted me to cut my Sti- Stein my view. They can't take that out. This is the very essence of main. Gimmick is a lump on my i. I am really all the the big thing for me doing as you get into the show what I looked like. I don't like I should be on telly. Not I'm not traditionally attractive but I. I am a Gamer nerd and it was important for me actually if if I'm going to get represent gaming and put game on TV it's not going to these things then. It should be what somebody looks. Normal and Jamila Djamil for Chubby nerds is effectively. Welcome A it's a video game so that shouldn't be an issue but it shouldn't be an issue anyway. It's Kinda crazy. The world is a couple of days if you go and look. Hey fucking is nothing. In any case be big if you look at nineteen seventies television and like we have these television people should be up for excessive normal people on. Tv is the fashion. It's so if you look opening university or something. It was like the equipment of Bedlam. Now it'd be like going to a freak show now of just really weird academic looking people who that's academics and that's what people like and it's crazy. That is things that do so when they come out. I think a lot of people get very snooty about these local bucks. Gazillion Cocker Steve. Or it's doing other people actually go to just let me see what people that I know. Anything that rushton sanitized crazy. We got to the point where you think someone's on TV. They have to look that modernized. Attractive way you're very beautiful man. I'm surprised you have a wife but you are much you are also very attract is what you need this to be okay. Good well I'll ask you some more questions. We're going to go in deep and find out what we find in the middle of this book. This is for kids. What do you think the to various during all those teeth? Shit is it like trading can different tastes like. Can you short teeth can you? Can you bet on the tooth market? Have you you've got a daughter? But she's probably not listed teeth because I was having a conversation with some friends kids slightly older than ours. How would your old coming up to five? Not Not yet. But he's a year older. You have to have the discussion. About how much going to give from. The teeth vary for the tape. How much do you think what? How much do you think the two facial? Give your child for to think anything more than acquitted obscene. But they said that was the London. Prices give you take notes. His control someone they were talking about people giving notes saying people give notes surely five fifty eight fifty Qu- too. It's like the grand for all the teeth. It's just one of the famous people you've had on. This is some regular people who work in show business but not for one kid go into this towards t twenty kids and twenty forty thousand brands Christ who would give them find out who's given the most in Northampton for their kids who's given more than two pounds for a tooth child. Yeah he's given. What is that show you? How much is that much you give manage. It was the most given for teeth to take two aspirin. You can you give it in a two pounds and fifty P or two loads of change in the to leaves. Another thing is that it's an interesting question I would have given. I'd say a pound coin I think the biggest coin that's plenty and I'd like to apologize to you. This got so bad as an interview that went with the tooth auction. I'm genuinely very interesting. It's an interesting case and I will. I will buy that book good to have you ever grown cress. Everyone's going to face in common and you weigh. It wasn't grown Chris. I don't know okay. Some people have not been lucky. These questions kids all of these non-sport what are they saying? The section for kids now go. This is off. I'll get off the kids questions. Okay it's another Crespo's question another crispy after which you superior cress land or water your opinion. I didn't know there were two thousand is Land Christie. I'm Chris Chris. You've grown okay. But if you want Chris stuff in the banks. The water before is in the bags that comes from a place. They grow in a river. Aren't I mean I have any other Ed Cup Crescent so do you do you get anyway warcraft. Now is both. Where did you get one from the growth yourself? Yeah we could get credit crisis readily nor stores in. What would you say? Is your favorite cruciferous vegetables. So the lumpy ones. I'm not very includes cress Broccoli Opera Broccoli. It's because I couldn't think of any other cauliflower. Yeah probably color cruciferous experts in. It must be somebody crucifixes. Mustn't I sincerely doubt it? I guess it must be cruciferous. Shippers this Thanksgiving is crucifix. Richard Coles back on these. What's your who's your favorite person who's been crucified. Would you say all the way to get the best from overby brewing? Greece weighed in history to pick probably Jesus asked Jesus totally if you'd stop. Jesus being crucified with we had this conversation with this question. But if you could see people always talk about going back past and killing baby Hitler. No one goes. What have we got back? In past and Save grownup Jesus from being crucified. But then we wouldn't have all been saved in since last to kill Jesus Jesus to be crossed because if you know after do this you know. Jesus you're brilliant. I love you. Cristiani pretty wouldn't exist the world be a much worse place. So what you're saying is Jesus crucified. I'm delighted yeah. He did it for us very reconnoitring. Well he's really be annoyed if he wouldn't he was he was wrong with it wasn't he. No we have you forsaken me. He was really pissed off about father. Why why the fuck we what we agree on this? I'd never have come back if I need. This is part of the deal. It's in the Bible. Lazy some of the arguments. He religion completely bulletproof. Yeah good job. He's Gone. He's waiting in the back now. Shook UP OKAY. Right. We're going to have a Smith's overflow by so quickly today going to have I'll ask you this question question. Eight hundred ninety nine when to be fair. We've got quite hard to come up with any more questions but stage of right in the book. Would you rather fuck off a troll or become by Leprechaun? It's a very good question allowed to follow ups though you are why of questions. One picture so troll. Well you know you have to decide that. That's not for me to say I would say that precautions small frozen things troves big trouble on the rob trouser will little trolls. I would imagine a troll has a nollie possibly barbed penis. If the BOB was big enough I wouldn't necessarily be getting anywhere in in my mouth. Would I lie Dick Barbour Three foot down? It's not going to because snake foot. Dick I think like gorillas depends the troll is so guerrillas a big but I have very small penises so it could be that it could be that system. Guerrillas aren't trolls of course famously. No pick okay. You're saying because some of these big it's big penis. That is not true. I'm very small and I have a very small. Okay all right. So let's say I'll say I'll take an eight foot troll with Dick. Which might have a bob on it. I'm what's electrical electrical and tiny little leprechauns? They let that online that Dick's definitely small Cleveland. Mind is going to be a bum. Does it so sorry? The trolls guiding them stuck in off the troll typing bummed by electrical all of a sudden I wouldn't even fucked. That's fine. Sorry. I wasn't paying attention. Let's go to the nine hundred. Yeah I'M GONNA I've come back time. Come back to. Have you ever been in the proximity of one of your heroes and been too shy to say anything to them? Who who were your heroes present company except show I dr o'bryans Guy. Eight bit wasn't the first hour I bring show I did so. The first the first Dr was he had another Sean Decor School of hard sums and I went to some sort of wrapped up I was in one of the episodes like doing a little bit and one of the things I went through point he was. There were two scheduled speaking. And then Dr O'Brien I was to schedule now. Imagine if we went to me. Imagine if you not I've over that and you just have to set the way in the sometimes there's so what's coming up you can tell us about How we're going to do this thing where you've go to a pub and you can join in the play on the wife. I think my show comes on. Dvd beyond facebook is out mass. Paperback one comes out next. April I am not confident. We got a new. Tv show a new video gaming communities more content becomes run the rhetoric stuff so far so video games on all the forms of media. They'll let me and not busy so twitch you can see you on twitch every night because he does it every night he's east proper though any east east limits it might let me start limited on full into it so let me just maybe like six hours a day and it would just drive the truck alice in the middle of the night and every what he's amazing the the best thing is actually is Just like improvised stories and things he actually does evolve and improvise comedy live on switch. And it's an easy even vision mixing with he's got like a streamed. Exit can change camera angles stuff. It's it's it is the equal if not better than everything else you've done. Limited in my. I literally go are probably play. Mario Kart forbid last. I can do I have to do. You have to pay to watch any of it or can you watch it for free and I saw for it you can. You can subscribe if you to or you can donate money. Was One of the things if you donate money if you can. I bet you do things because I've seen that would depend on electron but yeah. Try me where you play. The Cauca. Almost have to pay for that. He's Teensy Dams Alan. I'm not saying it can happen. But you've got a good well. Their futures at amazing places where I can watch fast but a lot of my youth just watching someone play video games behind shoulder. Whatever they want your sibling yes. That's just the same as that right. So it's Normal Stephanie. Normally it's weird. It's it's not J. if you've never done the twitch thing and you're wondering what is thinking. Moore's talk radio so a lot of people don't really watch a lot of people that is just over in the background so people are typing. Excuse me and I have a little chat with them is talk radio in the background. So isn't where it's just a company when you do. The dishes is but on being shits games while I'll never understand the future. I'm just generation where someone makes it podcast and puts it out as normal figure old fashioned in very old fashioned tested coach. Do by the book which is called. Hey listen history of video games would be. That would be the games. I was thinking it's going to be video games and it must be. The history of video is a different book. And it's really bad. Abl listen to audio on. Audiobooks listened to all my books because I I'm tied to read to. I'm too tired to finish this. Show right gentlemen. Most statement gave you mean to step out with knee tearing. 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Ep. 382  Cecilia Munoz

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Ep. 382 Cecilia Munoz

"And now from University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN audio the X. Files with your host David. Axelrod Cecilia Munoz. Remarkable person. I I met her when she was one of the foremost advocates for immigration reform in the country at the National Council of Laura's which is now unit dose us. I worked with Cecilia. When she served as director of Intergovernmental Affairs in the White House during the two thousand nine financial crisis the h one n when pandemic and the Gulf oil disaster so she has a real perspective on what the government should be doing in moments of crisis. She went on to lead President Obama's domestic policy council and now she's written a book called more than ready part and part a series of lessons for young women of color who want to follow in her path. I sat down this week with Cecilia. Virtually of course to discuss her journey. How based on her experience she feels. The government is doing during the siege of Kobe. Nineteen and about the faultlines in our society that the virus has once again exposed. Here's that conversation. Cecilia Munoz. So good to see you my friend. We went through a lot together sometime back. And it's great to see you now and we did. Because you were the director of Intergovernmental Affairs in the White House when I was working as a senior advisor to the president and I bring that up at the outset because these are times in which in a governmental relations are most important you worked with mayors and governors and local officials through a lot of situations I the economic crisis of two thousand and eight nine also h one n one and I was wondering what lessons you learned from that. And what you're seeing now and is there anything that gives you encouragement and are? Are there things that are worrying you? Yeah so first of all. Thank you David for having me joy to see you too. I'm sorry we're not in the same. Yes actual location but if the joy this year faith and hear your voice you know so it was h one n one and also the oil spill If you remember in twenty ten years in the Gulf of Mexico yes indeed that went on for three months and Both those experiences were really for me lessons than how important it is for the federal government to collaborate effectively with state local and tribal governments By an oil spill as you you you will remember Valerie. Jarrett and I were on the phone with the five Gulf state governors all one hundred percent of the Republican every day every morning seven days. A week To make sure that they were getting what they need out of the response we wanted to have her own kind of direct channel to them and to their credit. Most of them some of them. Are you know pretty political guys obviously the politicians as well governors but I remember very distinctly? The you know somebody like Haley Barbour former chairman of the Republican National Committee on White. He cared about in that moment with governing and so he was a great partner. He was very clear in what he needed and he was very direct in saying. Thank you for letting us know when you know when we weren't down the mark but it was all about governing and dealing with up the mess and I really respect that and appreciate it and for our part it was really important to us and for the president that we were available to be their partners in the crisis because the most important thing we get mixed up and so you know I reflect at 'em thank with dismay at the current president talking about kind of point favorites among the governments in talking. About how you know. It's the stockpile of equipment. The federal stockpile isn't really for the state which begs the question. Who MIGHT BE FOR And so on the bright side. You're seeing a lot of excellent leadership from governors on both sides of the aisle And from mayors but the dark side of that is out there doing the absence the absence of clear guidance from the federal government. And that's why you have a different policy state by state and you have some states talking about opening up in You know in the face of what the what the sciences counting them And other states you know still battening down the hatches and the result of that is that people will get hurt and that is You know it was also the failure of federal leadership that you're supposed to be in this boat together Rowing Direction. And that's not what we're seeing right now and the result of that is a lot of pain. It's such a difficult situation because while the cure is necessary And it's not really a cure. It is a tactic that's necessary to keep our public health system from being overwhelmed with cases and to save lives but the economic devastation. Is I mean just so hard to imagine. Twenty six million people unemployed in the blink of an eye and So you you understand the desperation of local officials and frankly federal officials to want to get that done but that becomes you to get the economy going again to get people back to work again. And it's such a messaging challenge to explain to people that the suffering that that we as a country are imposing on ourselves is necessary. Because to not do it would a- prolong and deepen what is already a terrible crisis. But look what's really clear. Is that the best way to been economy back on line. Two is to make sure that the public is confident. That's advice that they're getting and that the businesses are getting before they reopen is reliable because if we you know we get go back online to me have more deaths and more devastation in more like or or God forbid more overwhelming to the health system it will take longer before we can get back to normal and that's just not good for the economy so you you really see why it's important to have steady stable leadership that got it by the time And that's you know providing consistent and reassuring message to the American People. It's possible to be reassuring it's necessary to be reassuring even at a time of crisis even when you don't have all the information because the situation is unfolding. You know we had to do that. More than once When we were in government and boy saying the absence of that kind of steady leadership is really matches disheartening. It's terrifying. You know you you point out and I. I've been impressed by the the the way. The governor's generally have handled themselves Republican and Democrat. And you know few weeks ago we had Chris Christie on this podcast and he talked about hurricane. Sandy back in two thousand and twelve. Which you'll remember and the cooperation between the Obama Administration and Christie himself and his State in the survey conic scene where the president went up to tour. The damage with Christy for which Christie paid a huge political price later for having Exchanged a warm handshake an an and shoulder grasp with the president. So talk to me about the relationships that you developed these mayors and the you mentioned Haley Barbour were. Were there others? Were I mean? Did you find yourself in a position where people willing sort of set aside partisanship and work closely with you? Most of the time. That's really what happened in the Economic Crisis of thousand nine you know. Part of my job was to wrestle up support for the Recovery Act and And you know. Part of our collective job was to make sure that the resources getting out the door where they were most needed and we have mayors and governors both sides of the aisle really clearly saying but we would look. This is one the effectiveness of devastating on our community. And we gotta work together to make this happen but at the time you'll remember. There were only four Republican Governors. Who Willing to sign a letter in support of their recovery and a number of other. Republican governors. Would say to me privately. Yes I like. I you know I need this to happen. But please don't make signed a letter because alpay price work so even from the very beginning even with a epic downturn in really ethic economic crisis You know some of them were aware of the politics that they had this way And only a handful really only four. We're willing to stand up and say of course me. This and I'll put my name on paper here in one of those. Republican governors is now a democratic congressman. Charlie crist from Florida so he didn't endure long in the in the Republican Party. You talked about getting funds out during the economic crisis of two thousand nine. The person in the White House who was assigned to oversee that process was vice. President Biden and my recollection was that he was in constant communication with governors and local officials Talk to me about that. And your general sense of him. Yeah in that moment. So that's the kind of moment where it's just all about governing very you're much less about politics and much more about making sure that resource getting where they need. People are hurting and there's nobody with a greater feel for what you need to do when people are hurting them. Joe by I mean. That's an inexperienced his family ads. You know he poignantly talks about the time as father had to tell his family that he lost his job. He's somebody who who cares about that. Who has a lot of empathy and who understood at the time has job with about making sure this works because there was nothing more important and that meant being as good. A partner to the public mayors governors as the Democrat governors. Because you know that's that's what it means to serve the country in a time of crisis and you know I think a lot about governing now 'cause it's hard and it but it matters and I think we've got a pretty good civics lesson and why it matters That that is done well and one of the things that I love without Joe Biden. In addition to just the quality of his heart is cares governing. And he knows how to do it And his leadership of the recovery is one really good example of that. We used to joke that you know some of the same congress members who proudly voted against that bill would rush to be the guy holding up the great big blown up copy of the check in the photo op for the at the ribbon. Cutting when the project was opening up they were willing to be there when the money was getting spent even if they weren't willing to vote for for spending the money in the first place and at the end of the day Biden understood that he wasn't he was less interested in buying politics than he wasn't making sure the money got where it was needed. Because that's GONNA put people back to work. You know his bind right now is that yes this history. He has this experience. He has this Predator natural sense of empathy for people but he stuck in his basement. He doesn't have an official role. He's not a mayor is not a congressman. He's not a senator and hard to tell that story. Now it may be sitting there thinking. Well you know from an electoral standpoint. He's not losing ground because the president is behaving as the president has behaved but it is a challenge for Biden to be relevant in this moment and it must be really frustrating given the experience that he actually has that is relevant to this. Let me ask about h one n one. How much did you have to do around that particular question? What do you remember about it? Oh I remember a lot thinking about it a lot as well. What I remember very vividly was sitting in the situation room. Getting the briefing about what happened in Philadelphia and Saint Louis after one city held its parade and other Campbell parade in nineteen eighteen. Yeah and the pandemic and the Spanish flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen. The reason they showed us at chartres was underscore. Why it's important to do social distancing before people start getting sick right in some ways. You're you're you're supposed to do it at a time when everybody thinks you crazy And if you succeed they will continue to think you're crazy. 'cause people didn't get sick I remember that very vividly and I also remember that. One of the challenges of H One n one was that it was more lethal children and the flu and and you know we worked incredibly hard to make sure there was a testing regime. We got a million people were tested in the first month. We work incredibly hard to work toward the Dixie But the spirit in which we did. That work takes me just as important as the actual tasks that we undertook because there was no. They weren't politics in that room. There was a hundred percent. What is what does after telling us what are the FDR thing. What do what we need to be guided by the science here even if it means doing things that are hard and scary and even when it means admitting that we don't know you know all of the direction this is going to take A hundred percent of the spirit of the people in that room was our job is to keep the American people safe and we will you know would not politics will be partnered with mayors and governors and tribal leaders across the aisle. Because that's our job like the minimum requirements governing. Is doing what you have to keep people? And we didn't have we didn't we didn't have to ask the same level of sacrifice as this and perhaps we would have had to ask that if there had been a quicker mobilization here but one thing that I remember and Robert Gibbs Our former press secretary reminded me of this the other day. I think there was one briefing on a Sunday. That may have involved the president at the White House. I'm not even sure whether he but it may have involved him But every other briefing on h one n one was held at the C. D. C. By the scientists it wasn't a political event. Last thing on on this one of the really stark things about this virus is that it does. Illuminate the hotlines in our country. Better there that were aware of but now they're they're brought out in stark relief when you see the level of devastation in poor communities and communities of color and you having been an advocate all your life for the Latino Community for the Hispanic community and in your broader role in the White House For people who are forgotten this strike you to the core. Oh Yeah it's I mean I have a lot of grief about it actually And the sad truth about it. Is that any one of us before we had a single scrap of data about actually affecting anyone of you know sat around the table together and government to certain people somebody communities of color that I that I work with could have predicted exactly who is going to be hard hit by this virus and by the economic downturn. We knew that in advance it is. You know always how it works folks who are still at work even without proper protection that folks you know picking the crops that ended up in the grocery store and tracking those bursaries to market and selling those groceries to us. And you know. The folks. Acting as caregivers folks driving buses Those folks are disproportionately communities of Color And they're disproportionately getting sick in part because we still have to work and they don't have adequate protection and there are disproportionately likely to have underlying conditions. I mean the list goes on other list of reasons. It goes on and on but the fact of the matter. Is You know as they say in the black community. When America gets a cold black community gets pneumonia. Same is true and the Latino Community And you know the organization where I'm working now which is called New America. Get an analysis of all of the people who were supposed to be Getting benefits under the care. Act that Congress and a good half of them will get you know you've already received the money and the other half Or not if there they may not get help at all and if they do get a check they may not get it until September which is helpful to pay the resume road And so we're you know we are not thinking ahead. We're not using what we know about. Who is most affected and who is most likely to need help and as a result even are well-intentioned efforts to help them are are going miss. Your is a great concern is the federal government is properly taking on a huge amount of debt in order to deal with emergency in the short run but I remember in two thousand and nine that the Recovery Act which was a pittance compared to what is being spent. Now I think you know. Eight hundred and eighty seven billion dollars became a an did inflate the dead. It became the rationale for essentially ratcheting down spending. So you have a situation now where we're GONNA have exponentially more debt as a result of this and you can just see the debate unfolding. Where you know you're constrained even as we've now seen just how much need there is out there and how frayed the social compact is At the same time state and local governments are under siege and their deliverers of of much of this. So the question you know that. I think we're going to have to confront his. Do things actually get worse as a result of this? Do we have the wherewithal to actually men the social compact and do a government needs to do at this moment or will we fall back into an old debate in which the door gets slammed shut and we don't address these longstanding problems? Well that's exactly right and it is a real concern because the crisis is really exposing the way that we've bailed each other as a society just vivid relief right now and I'll give you one example of the workers who the government has labeled essential workers people who know need to be in the workforce my organization didn't analysis thirty to forty percent of them. Don't earn a living wage. They earn less than fifteen bucks an hour. Thirty to forty percent of the people that we accounting right now for a very survival and who are more at risk because they don't have the luxury of staying home not going to work they can't do their jobs on zoom exactly right and so we know we rely on them. I've been on you know endless conversations with my colleagues who are trying to work and home school their chance. You were saying things like maybe we should be paying teachers a million dollars. This is really hard. You know how to Preschool. Teachers do it. We're we're having those conversations. We're not having a policy conversation about raising the wages we're both furthest gotten is hazard pay but when we talk about the minimum wage about fifteen bucks central workers lease the pushback that. I've been hearing his. Who feels like a bridge too far? Who feels like it might be expensive And but we are seeing frankly how costly it is when we don't change some of those structures and You Know God help us if we come out of this crisis without the will to be better than they were before. Yeah well. I think that's one of the big questions we we've got to get through this but doing an after action on exactly what happened and why it was so devastating to so many is is going to be a really important part of this and and and and helping people get back to some semblance of a of normal life financially is gonna be an important part of. We're GONNA take a short break and we'll be right back with more of the X. Files. These are tough times in so many ways people are stuck at home feeling isolated worried about the state of things better help offers online professional counselors. Who CAN HELP. You can talk to a licensed online therapist and find relief. Better help therapists specialize in issues such as depression stress anxiety relationships insomnia family conflicts and more. You'll connect with your counselor and a safe and private online environment so anything. You share is confidential simply. Fill out a questionnaire to help. Assess your knees and get matched with a counselor. 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My parents came to this country in nineteen fifty And my dad got a job in the auto industry and so we're detroiters on the youngest four siblings. Were all born in Detroit and I have this wonderful sprawling tweet. Immigrant Families Editor All. Michiganders' out you know. Latinos are visible in places like Florida and Texas California New York. But there there. I am mid Western Levine. On the thing Yeah so I come from this sweet immigrant family and the American dream was real from my parents. You Know My dad worked at Ford Motor Company. For forty years and as a result we had healthcare and roof over our heads them they were able to educate all four kids and you know retire modestly but comfortably and to say that you know my very first day walking into the White House. I'd say after the inauguration and every day after that I felt like I had a really deep sense that my job was to make that possible for everybody at my family was lucky and And you know part of what we're here for us to make that possible everybody. Yeah Yeah I mean your story is a little bit different than a lot of other stories because your your family was. I mean your. Your father was An engineering student at the University of Michigan. But he was a second generation engineering student at the University of Michigan and Bolivia is people don't think about Bolivia As much when they think about immigration and yet you confronted some of the same sorts of issues that immigrants all of our country confront. I know you spoke Spanish. You wrote about this Spanish in the home and as well as English but you were sort of taken aback when you got to school and nobody else spoke Spanish and so you didn't and so there must have been some sense of wanting to you know find belonging by kind of downplaying the essence of WHO. You are banished kind of became the language as he puts them. We would use it if we wanted to say something that we didn't want other people to understand which is much harder to do. Now because there's a language everywhere but in Detroit in the sixties and seventies and it was very help that went through and you know. My parents were nearly a decade from their first department. Speaking is Their landlady some of seeking Mexicans and victim and they thought it was cute that she didn't understand that this was the language of your. They were shocked but mostly fat while she was they. They didn't understand racism in the US. They thought here's this woman really doesn't know what she's talking to you. Write about a An interesting conversation kind of shocking conversation. You had with a friend. At the time there was turmoil in Latin and the friend sort of said offhandedly you know if the US went to war in Latin America that you could go to an internment camp. I mean that must have been striking and disturbing. Yeah I think that's when I finally got it at I mean I've I've written about that incident. That's kind of a propellant that led to my whole career in the civil rights movement in the immigrants. And I think that was the moment bad. I got it that for some people who knew US right. Who UNDERSTOOD I? Think of myself as a mid Westerner But that for some people were all. Were just always going to be the other and you see that now. I think sadly my friends in the Chinese American community are experiencing that now In the sense that they see themselves as Americans and suddenly people literally sitting on and doing other terrible things because they see them as both Chinese and not American and potentially responsible for this virus situation not actually true but it was my first moment of understanding that research some people. My family's never seen American. My name is never going to sound like an American name and I think that's why I do you. You went to University of Michigan in followed in the family's footsteps there but even there you didn't find a whole lot of diversity. You're right about that as well. I was at Michigan. You heard my grandfather. And my dad and my uncles. All went to Michigan is big family tradition. I was there in eighty right after the affirmative action report decision and so the year that I graduated from Michigan the incoming freshman class which is thousands of students at about twenty nine. Those in Had A long long way to go and I had very few faculty it was still a pretty white place and I'm I'm still associated with university. I've been proudly so and come a long way since then But I didn't really frankly experienced my own community outside of my own family until I got graduate school which I graduate work in California and that kind of changed everything. How much did it trouble? You That that was the case of Michigan? Or were you just used to that from you? Grew up in suburban Detroit. Where you just use to that and did not impact on you that much now you my college years pretty much every nothing that I knew I was related to you and I have a really big family so that was a lot. People are still so But did bother me is hard to what I went to the university to learn. I had to invent my own major. Had A double major in half of it was in Latin American studies and I had the structure it myself because there weren't enough offering A huge university like that like La- Latin America women somewhat on the on the sort of agenda and certainly not the US Latino Community And you know. So this is the eighty we were still invisible except in certain parts of the country And you know I've I consider it a great privilege that over the course of my career. I've been involved in Latino politics and policy During the period when we went from invisible visible you know there are a lot of. We may be a lot of things but invisible isn't one of them any when you went to Berkeley and you found this very diverse community. I assume a lot of folks who were from Mexico or families were from Mexico. How are you embraced? As someone who's family was from Bolivia where their resistances there were there divisions air now. I found out when my brother that the book that he and I had completely different experiences. He and I were roommates at Berkeley. He was in the law school when I was in graduate program and my experience was that I was volunteering in this legal clinic and the lawyers were Mexican Americans and you know I was bilingual and as far as they were concerned I was family I was. I was kind of part of the community. I remember the one of the ways that I worked with A guy named my scene. Basically you must call yourself. But she's gone you're gone you're gonNA means refers to a Mexican American. He was like. Yeah but you're one too. You totally count my brother. Whose name is Eduardo. Your went to the lawyers right the the organization the law school to the Latino students and they said what are you doing here and he said well my Kinda WanNa join the last lawyers and they were like no no. No you know belong you and your Blue Eyes and you're Bolivia and heritage not so much so he had the exact inverse of my experience. I we actually didn't talk about it at the time. We told me about it after you vegetables. What about Obviously you speak Spanish with a different accent. Was that noted by the people you were dealing with now you know. It's the only time it has ever come up and I smile as I say. This is nobody in California or in all the years I've been doing immigration work is accusing talking like a bazillion but my mother. I used come home from you know. Come back to visit. My mother would say he sounds a little. I guess I must have picked it up along the way and there was a time as a mid Westerner especially in the years I was working at the National Council when I could tell within the Mexican American community. I could distinguish like Milwaukee Mexican from Chicago Mexican from Kansas City Mexican by the way they smoking English like there was a time. I was at good at it. But it's been a while. Yeah you know I used to be as as you know in a political media business and you were for an immigration lawyer in Oakland and and that led you after you graduated to come to Chicago to work for Catholic charities on an immigration project image immigration liberalization at the time and legalization was going on and you worked for Catholic charities there you arrived in Chicago very volatile time in Chicago political history and I actually one of my clients Harold. Washington was the mayor When you arrived when we did ads in Chicago we had to use a Colombian voice over. Because if we used a Puerto Rican voiceover Mexican voice over it would antagonize one or the other of the communities so as a very you know people I think. People sometimes refer to the Latino community or the Hispanic community without regard to the fact that it's a very diverse community in and of itself. Yup I remember. I was there for all of that. I was there in Washington Washington wish even I remember the first four Alderman. The first four Hispanic Alderman were very carefully to Mexicans with to Puerto Rican and I was fascinated by all of it and in a way not one or the other. I got the be all of it right. I which was in some ways. It's been an abandoned but yeah I found that was signed Amex absolutely fascinating and I remember exactly where I was when he lost when I got when I heard the news at Harold Washington. Yeah Yeah anybody who lived in Chicago? That was such a stunning event. Having worked for him it was Really emotional but I think for the city as a whole it was. It was wrenching. You you did this work for Catholic charities and it was really direct service that you're providing and you write that. It was too difficult because when you couldn't help someone the sense of failure and the sense of disappointment and having to tell them that you couldn't Was more than you could handle. Well I had. I believe at the time very strongly that that's the kind of work I was destined for with it would in the direct service job where you have clients coming in and you offer help to those clients. And that's what they do at Catholic charities and I could not let go of my anguish Around the people that we couldn't help people didn't qualify for legalization at the time and I was interviewed by the trip as they did Around the turn of the year eighty eight people to watch in Chicago in one thousand nine hundred eight and that was one of them and in that interview. I described my job as it was like watching people be pushed off a cliff knowing that you can only help half of them and I remember not the words of a person who is in love with their work so I learned that I am not cut out for direct service but I found my voice as an advocate I learned but who failing it. I was good at it my project successful but I consider myself as having failed because I wasn't good at what I set out to do but that I tell that story because I learned so much about what I think I am out to do. I became an avenue. Chicago Tribune is my Alma Mater. So they were right. One of the eight hundred people watch but they just didn't know that it wasn't gonNA be in Chicago. It was going to be in Washington. And you got a job at a the National Council of Laura which is now Unitas. Us tell me about that transition because all of a sudden and you write about this in your book and it's particularly instructive for young women who go into these advocacy roles particularly in Washington. The power corridors of Washington. You found yourself in the middle of lawmaking in a very male oriented preserve an. I'm Ed you know. I am also five feet tall. And I'm pretty soft spoken. And the people who were immigration advocates in DC were largely men and they were tall and I did a couple of things one is that I very deliberately in order to make myself. Kinda take more space in the room and seen how enough I took up wearing which is not something. I was raised to do And I kind of taught myself how to do it because I thought it would help me help the guys take me seriously. But then I also describe how after one congressional markup the guys Kinda all stood up and they formed a little huddle and compared notes than decided what they were going to do next and I was not in the huddle and I went to my boss at the time. Really Wonderful Guy who still real name Charles and he said. Look you knew your short. You're a woman you need to just like L. Use your elbow elbow. You weigh in and say come on guys like you colleague here and he was right and I only had to do at one But I but I did have to do it. And it's a little bit of a metaphor for for what it's been like Washington has you know is still a pretty male town and I know I've learned that the quality associate with toughness the quality of the leadership qualities that are associated with with with guys or with the with behaviors like wearing and that doesn't necessarily come naturally to all of us but I've also learned that there are qualities that we undervalue as leadership qualities as a whole chapter in the book about kindness which I have concluded I mean it gets mistaken for weakness all the time but I. I just think that's wrong. It's not a sign of weakness and actually it's an asset in the workplace. It's an asset when you're trying to make policies and if you don't understand as an asset but it is I think it is a skill set and we need more of it not lasts them. You know maybe. Our current president is kind exhibit. Eight why we need more well. I will testify having worked with you that I never thought of you as anything but strong but I always thought of the US kind as well and it is a good combination. You know I met you before. I don't even know if you remember. But I was with Senator Obama when he appeared at Laura's event and you were helpful to us in preparing for that event. I heard a lot about you and you were a legendary figure in the immigration debates for a couple of decades. Tell me about that. And about the difference between being an advocate and by the way you were there when a couple of very strong efforts were made for comprehensive immigration reform. You were there as an advocate in two thousand six two thousand seven. That failed so talked a little bit about that. Whole experience of being the advocate. And then let's talk about your White House years and the challenges of being an advocate from within as I mentioned invisible in Washington and it's still too unfortunately true that the one issue where we're visible is the immigration issue and like we have a stake in all kinds of everything right in the economy and healthcare and education. We have big states and all of those issues but the one issue that Washington knows it. Kinda needs to talk to somebody from the community is waning. Migration comes up and you know I've learned it's remarkable. It's changed a lot but back then in the late eighties and nineties when I was at the height of doing all of this. Most of the people working on immigration. We're not from your Santa Community. I was very frequently. The only one of them and I did not Think in terms of representation in quite the same way that I do now But so much of our job of the people then called in Seattle ours now neither. Us I cab was so much of Latinos one on one just explaining who we are that we didn't just get your how the concept proposals which Congress members were being with putting up there or the administration's with putting up there how they would affect us. I mean it's just so much of it is just education and I place a really high premium on finding ways to explain stuff. That policymakers don't know in a way that they can hear and absorb the information. And I say that because I still do it all the time and my daughters are young adults one lives in Chicago actually They're twenty seven and twenty four and their experience of me. Is they see me as mom? You're always turning yourself into a press older. Try to modify and modulate how you come across so that people were here you and their younger and they are not having it In their view they want to express their experience and if people can't absorb the information then it's kind of on them and there's I sense that dialogue going on some of it is is an age distinction. Some of IT IS I. Think some changes in the way ad but man I got I got brought up with the sense that the most important thing you can do to try to influence policies make yourself understood and if you have to modulate in order to do that then that's what it takes and We're in a conversation now which feels very different from Matt. Yeah I mean I wanted to ask about that because I think one of the things that young people are reacting to is the environment. I mean shortly after you came to wash them but when you came to Chicago was right after this federal immigration reform that Ronald Reagan participated in that Liberalized the rules and allowed for millions of people to become Legalized we have a president. Now who's built his political credited with his base on opposition to not just illegal or undocumented immigration but but also you know strict curtailment of Lille immigration in. Which is I am invoke. A sixty day freeze on a new green cards and Stephen Miller his adviser on this as suggested well. We'd like to be used as a springboard to make permanent changes. I think back to the two thousands when you were working on this issue and president. Bush was supporting comprehensive immigration reform. And you had partners like John McCain on the Republican side who are willing to support it and how pass it. We're in a different place aren't we are we are. We certainly are but the reasons for doing what I think is the right thing right which is allowing undocumented people get on the right side of the law and you know actually increasing legal immigration as opposed to curtailing it I mean the reasons for doing those things at the same and what makes them appeal to the American public? I think is the same. Which is that. It's in the best interest of our country. You know economically the way hardly get back on track is Through the kind of economic economic energy that immigrants bring an when somebody like? President Trump says Stephen Miller who sits by the way in the opposite. I used to sit. Which is something that I think when they say would goal. Here is to curtail immigration altogether. And we're GONNA stop green cards for sixty days. Green cards are not going to people who just like got him line somewhere and decided that they wanted to come to the United States. So people were getting green. Cards are Americans who were bringing what their spouses. That's who can't come in for sixty days is your husband or wife. The person that you're you know that you WANNA marry me me neither not people who just connected to the United States. I'm so there is an there. Is I think two things are true. It's very clear that Stephen Miller president trump the people who were feeding them their policy ideas are coming from the white supremacists perspective. I've been fighting against that my whole career. The major organizations on the anti inside have ties to white supremacy. That's been true. You know for thirty or forty years and longer really so that obviously needs to be stood up what needs to be explained. It needs to be understood. All of that is true but it is also true that by itself. That's not the rationale for doing the right thing with respect him again. We both undo that evil which is been done by this administration but we also have to sell the country on the truth. Which is that. The people who come in immigrants are their family members of American silent march that their economic activity is something. We depend on You know starting with the people who were harvesting the food that you and I are eating You know and and as we described earlier the people who were doing the essential jobs. That are keeping us all afloat. We need to be able to make that case. We need to be able to make that case in a way that people can hear. If we're going to succeed in both undoing the evil then moving forward in a compelling way and I you know for all with all of the bumps and bruises that I have over a you know a long career doing this. I believe in the American people capacity to do the right thing. It's going to be. And you know presidents invoked this. It's going to be even harder. It seems to me in a political environment in which people are feeling economically under siege. And where there's such high unemployment you know. It was interesting to me you. You said recently that you disagreed with the policy that WHO in Castro pushing presidential race that we should essentially decriminalize border crossings. Make It not a felony and a lot of candidates followed him down that road and you you said you thought that was unwise and I was interested in that. Yeah Argh I understand like again and em offend a mine and someone that I respect and admire Yemen as well yeah but he was framing it as the way to undo the policy horrific policy of family separation and the way to undo the policy of family separation is undo the policy of family separation and that was an administrative choice made by this administration. And we don't need Congress to pass a law decriminalising border-crossing in order to fix it. Is that lost in space? Since about the nineteen twenty and the first administration separate families in this way has been from so I was concerned about two things one. It was oversold as fixed to a terrible thing but also contribute to Donald Trump's ability to say these people just want an open border and I don't think we do and I don't think we should want it open borders. I don't think that's the right policy formulation and I think it's a mistake for so much of our advocacy to lend itself to that impression because I don't ultimately I don't think we can win what we're trying to win an improved things for the people who are being hurt that way. I think it's a strategic mistake. I also think it's probably not the right policy now. A word from our sponsors. Then we'll be right back with more of the X. Files Berry ourselves the time for brand new. Rick and Morty Adventures is almost here. Wait what this is. What you've been waiting for new rick. And morty on adult swim so you as I point out you you were. You were famous. You're a famous advocate on immigration for twenty years before you went inside the government and you came to work for the Obama administration as I said I was a witness to a couple of years of that from inside and I was always sensitive to the fact that you were a target because the administration made choices had to make choices Some of the choices were about when to advance comprehensive immigration reform and how much to emphasize in the first two years when the president was dealing with economic crisis and trying to pass healthcare reform. Our you know we. We both remember these discussions. How hard was it for you to explain these choices at the time to your former allies in this fight and do you view as a mistake that comprehensive reform wasn't taken up in the first two years? I I can tell you why it wasn't but I'm wondering what your perspective is. Why I knew the moment I took the job that I agreed to come and serve in the White House that I would be criticised over immigration enforcement. Was you know part of what I thought about when I decided whether or not to do it? Because the minute you step inside government you're responsible for governing and as you know the tools that are available to you are especially when you're administering a broken Santa laws are you know grossly crazily insufficient and. I walked in one knowing that I was working for president. Who wasn't GonNa ever asked me to do something. I didn't believe him and I was right about that. And also that we could make progress First of all we hope we can make progress reforming the law gather. We didn't happen but I also believe we could make progress. And how immigration enforcement was conducted whether it gets conducted is not the issue how it gets conducted matters a lot and I went in with the hope that we could make big changes and how it was conducted and I was right and we did So that all of that to me made it worth it to endure criticism and there. I knew that there would be people in my life. Who would we would you know? Never forgive me playing a role in governing and an extra not to be true. And you know I'm prepared to live with that because we get a lot of good painful. Little paint for senator got personal but mostly mostly. It wasn't and I learned the difference. This is sort of to blunt a way to put it but it is short him. I know you'll understand. Swear you know the difference. Between Advocacy which is aimed at lifting up a thing which the people who governing you know in order to get it right or hold them accountable for doing something. Wrong and advocate advocacy. That's about lifting your own business and I have a lot more respect for the former than for the ladder and we a lot of good and it was worse out. Just a few quick questions about this. Obviously some of the consternation was not just that Immigration reform wasn't in that first wave when there was a democratic congress as the administration tackled other things. There was a vote on the dream. Act Got through. The House failed in the Senate. There was consternation about enforcement of immigration and the aggressive deportation of Since it was reordered time so that the emphasis was put on people who had broken the law here and not on people who were productive and law abiding citizens but nonetheless I will I will just tell you this anecdote. A student at my institute of Politics last year objected to a talk by Janet Napolitano who is head of Homeland Security and on the ground said she was a white supremacist and I said why and I was taken aback by that knowing her as I do she runs the University of California system now and the students said well she was in charge of the deportations because they were under homeland security. I reminded the student that that was President. Obama's policy not Janet Napolitano's policy. But you must hear a lot of that that you were a part of that mass deportation regimen walk also along with me and ultimately President Obama responsible for so That that was part of his regime. Are you worried by the way? Now you mentioned dot com. I ask you one question. I gotTa jump on this one courts going to rule in June on it. How concerned are you that they're gonNA throw it out? I'm quite obviously. You never know what the Quiz GonNa do. Not just on the basis of accounting odds implant but quite concerned And I know people. The dockets community are quite concerned And we're GONNA have one way or another to fight for legislation if this thing gets overturned in Chicago and the you know the only to the most recent example we have of how incredibly foolish it is to to have attack in the first place is a number of people that are working in hospitals. Like you know I am the contribution. They made teachers and a whole host of other way you expect. If Biden gets elected president that he will move on legislatively on this piece in the larger piece. I hope so yes. We need the congress to do that. and we probably need to. Congress by substantial margin in order to do in order to be successful. But here's the thing. This is the thing which needs to be fixed But frame that president trump is set. Up is a long and access of half verses week and if the if the conversation is about who's going to be tough and who's going to be week You know Frank de Frankly. The good guys aren't never farewell. Under that kind of framework since the Ron framing framing that works for the good guys is I think of as mart versus stupid like what we offered the country with with the immigration bill that we passed through the Senate twenty thirteen and that's speaker. Banner would not bring up in twenty fourteen even though we have both With fixing a problem and I think even now even with all of the crazy I think the American people are prepared to support a generous immigration policy. If they believe it's going to be fair and it's going to be ordering there's going to be set of rules and people are GonNa follow them and I believe we can offer that and if we offer that we can. We can land in a place of generous to the human beings who are at. What about the notion that you know the Obama Administration was tough on deportation? They thought that by doing that. They could set the stage for compromise. And you could get reform and that that was naive and it and it was unfair to the millions of people who are impacted by it. I find it incredibly frustrating because it doesn't look closely at the fact And the fact that he so the the argument that gets made is that there is that we had deportation numbers. Which is true. And that you compare those to the trump administration's numbers the trump administration's numbers are lower which is also true. But it's not an apples to apples comparison. Here's the difference. The two priorities for enforcement and the Obama Administration is the first time there were ever priorities here with two one. People who had just arrived would arrive very recently under the theory that it is much more humane to turn people back who've just arrived assuming they're not asking for asylum than it is to remove people being in the country for twenty years innovation him so recent arrival and people convicted of serious time and then the highest year of deportations numbers around four hundred thousand that year eighty five percent of those people had just arrived and of the remainder ninety. Five percents had a conviction for a series so the numbers are high but they are consistent with a set of priorities. That really nobody has challenged. And I you know when there were candidates competing and beaten up. I'm Joe Biden for the Obama. Deportation records my thought was if any of them has a better set of priorities. I wish they would name them because I would like to know what they are. The reason the trump administration numbers are lower is because there are. We don't have single adults coming from Mexico anymore that can easily thankfully turned back because they're recent arrival migration has changed utterly in the last decade. Now what we have our families from Central America. They're asking for asylum and they're simply not available to be removed if you're looking to to remove substantial numbers of people as clearly at the trump administration is so. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The thing I think is absolutely fair to critique on administration on and I take responsibility for this is that it took us too long to get to the enforcement priorities and to make him sick in other words we iterative. We started with a set of memoranda. Over what our priorities should be. And then frankly dreamers kept getting caught up kept getting apprehended by the authorities and that was really a sign that we were not accomplishing. What we set out to took us a while but hard of that process. Leave you to Dhaka. Dhaka is not benefits. Program Daca is a usage enforcement authority And I think folks who spend a lot of time and energy talking about the Obama deportation record is they call it. Forget that Ultimately we were dealing with the different migration pattern and we were putting in place a set of enforcement priority that ultimately stopped and also benefited. A lot of people. More than ready is a book of Principles that you have drawn from your experience. What's the most important thing that you've learned in your journey? Both in and out of government women and women of Color in particular. Underestimate yourself as a leader and the reason that I wrote this book was here. Remind folks especially women were earlier in their careers but if they're sitting at the table if they're in the room they they arrested room needs them there. They need what we know. They need of the value of our experience. And we do all of these things to show that we belong. And I've done them to we. You know we're extra hard. We make sure that we're way. On top of the material we recognize when people doubt that we belong there and and we doubt ourselves and the fact of the matter is the country in a row. Mijas right now. It's time to understand ourselves as leaders that we already are. It's a great message is a great book. You're a great friend. It's always good to see you. Thank you Cecilia. Munoz for making the time evidence joy to thank you for listening to the X. files brought to you by the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN audio the executive producer of the X. Files. Is Emily standards. The show is also produced by. Miriam Annenberg Semi Anthony. All and Allison Siegel and special thanks to our partners at CNN. Including Gordon Coop. Meghan Marcus and Ashley less for more programming from the IOP visit politics dot EU Chicago Dot Edu. Things are not always what they appear to be not so with. Adt the most trusted name Insecurity X. Files is sponsored by. 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Ep. 278 - Veganism + Sustainable Living with Jenne Claiborne

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Ep. 278 - Veganism + Sustainable Living with Jenne Claiborne

"Is Vegan like some some Hoity toity things white things some privileged thing. That's a conversation that I love having because I his people is is that if you're Vegan you're white you're wealthy you only shop at you know Erawan here in la or some sort of alternative like Super Ritzy expensive grocery store and you don't another thing that you simply you only care about animals. You could care less about while other people are going through. So why are you caring so much about animals and people are suffering. That's a conversation always having and that's like constantly swirling around around me to as a black Egan. You're listening to to the almost thirty podcast hosted by Chris Williams and Lindsay Simsek almost thirty started as a conversation about the transition from our twenties or thirties. But then we realized realized life is full of transitions so we expanded our mission. 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We all bleed events like yeah I that we talk about like. There's I know it's so I love it and then I'm also like let's stop saying that we're all on our moon together it just becomes like I don't know just like it's like are you. How close are you to the moon? It's like oh well aikman years usually around the full moon so I actually fell in in sync with are you. Yes I felt like I was like out of sync with the moon for a little better and I felt shame. lated Miami fell Shade Act. I was like wait. Wait so I'm not in sync with the moon was I was at this I went to a sound bath last night. which usually is my jam? As I'm GonNa go alone which I do. How about half the time and I was so pumped the naked in there and we get papers Mike? Okay I don't know homework. She gives us Pennzoil Mike. Okay and then. She's like okay and she does her spiel like glover. She's my favorite. I I know I bill by heart now but she says it with such zest and enthusiasm every time I love like. It's the first time she say it. So if you're new to a sound bath it's pretty much. It's the most relaxing than you. What's happening here is final? Beats which balancing the left and right hemisphere of the brain which is very deeply relaxing. It's putting you. And the data brainwave state goes on a dream every time I'm like. How are you doing this with such zeal? And we get the thing and then I'm sitting there and she's talking for a while y.`all Mike Okay and and I start to fill out my thank. She's the type built. Don't fill it out and like all man and then we fill it out and we have to share it with everyone. The Road Hurry L.. which I that's what I do for my job? I'm like I'm trying to get more solitude also trying to chill. I'm trying to chill literally. People would into a so. I wrote down it because it was a new moon in Taurus. I wrote down what I wanted to release call in what what. I'm grateful for amazing. Love it appreciate it beautiful. Also I don't WanNA share with strange because because I live in Los Angeles which is a big but also small city. I'm like there's a chance that when he listens so if I'm like I want to release all those mother fuckers talkers like if I'm saying I just have to be thoughtful about it. I just wanted to like letter rip and just put it. I put personal stuff on there and burn it and Burnett and just like eat it and so I just I was just like Oh man. We're sharing around the room for like forty minutes. I was like dude. This is not think Justin didn't income because I was going to have him come cried. He's and then afterwards was so cute. She's like give everyone a hug and I'm like someday it's just so weird some days. I'm like hugged the world hug. Everyone free hugs here and just sometimes I'm like I just WANNA be solid. I just want to be alone so I snuck out caprio like a cold and cold person that I am. I really stuck out Justin Zych. He's no hugging. He's like well a lot of people needs. You should give them hugs. Factually actually true but some days. I'm not in the same. It's just so weird. Why just right now I WANNA I wanNA increase the amount of time I have alone? Yeah that's kind of my goal right now. If you'll very touched to community I feel supported in lake. I have so much interaction with humans that I want to be alone more. Yup and in my thing too is if I'm meeting someone after a sound Botham like we're GONNA be talking for thirty minutes and I'm GonNa be asking them about you. Know their ancestral healing. They're working on and then I'm bummed when I'm not really showing up as like my best me and then I just feel like an asshole Mike. I should just go and it's fine. Yeah I'll talk to you. You're you're like what's up. I'm GonNa hit the fucking suck anyways. I'm just getting back. I'm going to tell you that I stuck it. Hit the road because people can tell I I can tell people are Kinda like oh I sent it in. Yeah it was just a weird thing. I was like this is such an interesting dynamic. That's going on is like the goodness of that like before statements. Yeah but but it's beautiful. oftentimes I'm like. Thank you for forcing me that but sometimes I'm like I really need to. I think for myself. Are these two hours. Yeah I would enjoy that. Yeah but everyone's different Cox. I went to church last night. Everyone I'm yeah. You're going into the convent. Holy no futures in one week. I know guys. It's interesting but I'm Kinda like loving not thinking about it too much. Yes I I you know. We have a lot of friends who go to church on a regular basis we we do My friend BC. Gina who I went with last night. I feeling you'd be surprised. How many fucking youtubers where there last night my dear actually probably now? It's like a weird thing where I was thinking I was like L. as such an interesting place. Yeah you know what I mean. It's like you have all of these creatives these personalities they're doing all these crazy wild things and many of them at once and collaborating and not and just kind of in the bay chaos of of all that and then lake like they grew up with church maybe coming back to church and like no shade to church and this place like there. I don't know it was just like interesting interesting to observe. I'm sitting behind Justin in Haileybury. So it's like that totally but he was like no one. No one really like there was no scene. There was no oh like Oh my God and their front row center. You know. It's like not bodyguards. Were like on the side. No there's just so friends it was like Ryan. I'm good if drew house and like all those people I guess all of them had Haley Barbour buttons. All you do Made me want to the title. Literally I was like how do I do any of like Bella. Hadid is long fingers. Your fingers I was like some of those house but it was really beautiful because it wasn't like it's just nice because growing up Catholic Church. It was so like fucking strict and weird and like you stand straight and then you neil and then you stand and do all the things that they tell you to do and this was like a forty minute speech inched. Yeah it's to evolve ill exactly in love. It's beautiful I. Love ritual could evolve totally and this was just like forty minutes of so Judah Smith his like the pastor of Church home forty minutes of just like a conversation and it was about lake releasing guilt and shame. And he's very funny. It was like he's hilarious. It was very entertaining and also like pertinent impactful. And then you sing for ten in minutes and you're done to did you see. Oh Hell Yeah luck. Yeah I'm so injustice with so in it. Of course everyone was just like everyone was was literally like ripping it was. It was really really fun. frigging love a good rip and my friend was there. I didn't know he was going to be there to see go often. Yeah I guess he goes has all the time but I didn't. I didn't know he's going to be there and it's almost like Oh this is what churches like you see your D- like this is a community where people gather. I was like a long here but it was kind of it. You know what I did like and I think our events like this are church where you go there and you don't 'cause I went alone. I met up with Gina. She was like twenty minutes late but I just want alone. And there's like hundreds of people there and I was just like whatever and people we're like. Hey what's up and I was like. Hey what's your name what's going on you know it. It wasn't weird and no one felt weird and everyone was just automatically open because it's church which is weird. I love that I don't know I liked though I always think when I think of Haley I think of this. This instagram. Am Story that she had which is my favorite. That I've ever seen. She said Hey guys asked me a question and it's where people just input in you know whatever question they wanna Wanna ask her so gets five million questions. We're thing so some. Someone asked Haley Bieber Halloween. Yes or no. That's all all she did so she says I'm a Christian. Do you have any idea what that means. Historically it means I redefine everything in culture. Pagan Feast of Winter Solstice. Oh that's now. Jesus is birthday Pagan Feast of Spring Planting. Oh that's now Easter weekend. Pagan Celtic Festival involving dressing up in warding off evil spirits. Oh now it's All Saints Day. And he come celebrate the victorious Church that overcome by the blood of lamb. Candy please John. It's there's more this is an old true true falls. This is true and this is this is the same image with her text. I'm not afraid of the world. I'm not afraid of any devil. Or Demon or incarnation. They're terrified of me. Halloween is now my holiday. And I'm claiming all candy for the glory. Have God in celebration of Saints. What now while dress up however I like my favorite characters pop culture stuff whatever? It's my party and you're invited. I'm alive today on state tomorrow. Give Me Candy. I think about this instagram story. Holy Shit twice twice a week. Okay so you think she was. She's like being funny. Yeah no why God. That's drop dead. Balkan love her someone someone like put it on twitter and they're like so so Haley seen wow jealously seemed much detail what probably happened is people like Christians were like. Hey you don't celebrate Halloween if you're Christian and she was like probably dressed up and so now she's like total national say no world scared of Me Holy Holy Shit Insane. I'm just saying water. The Pagan holiday of a person is literally just like at work. And they're like Oh cool Haley Barbour. What's she halloween Halloween? Yes or no whatever. And she's she's like ripping holidays. Ah She's like candy please. Literally it's DEM like negative. They're bad just being like I talking to your keys. One Paragraph Ends with candy please and the next one is give me candy. Like she's fucking. Oh it's All Saints Day. And we celebrate the victorious Church that has been overcome by the blood of lamb. I just WANNA know if you're going to slutty tomorrow or not. That should he be on the lookout for some is honestly the best dude I was. I was thinking about them like just because their phones were so close I I was like Holy Shit. Yo so much shit on aren't even know right now a lot did you. Don't even I'm like slow. That's People's life your Sir Brain. Yeah Yeah it was wild times so anyway the church to come to you live from Church home next week a letter. I Well we've got a church opportunity with almost thirty two days. Oh my God. December seventh baby could not be more today. It's actually really good feeling to be excited about this. This shell fuck yeah. It's GonNa be a blast just because it's La. It's all at our home. It's basically our last event on the west coast of the year. We have one more after this. So it's GonNa feel good coming home and she and booty sex relationships. He's a performer. Nothing is off limits. And it's GonNa be so we're going to have the audience. Ask them questions ends as well. Hopefully if they behave. Yeah if you guys are and then we're gonNA have a special surprise a very special surprise. I'm Um yeah taken almost thirty PODCASTS DOT com slash tours tour and buy awesome friends. Just make it a night in area like in Hollywood so you can like grab dinner before or after whatever the shows at seven thirty doors open at six thirty. Yeah Yeah We'd love to see you or just come yourself you'll make new friends guaranteed. Yeah people always do cannot wait cannot wait Okay so today's episode. 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So I'm selling the my about my wedding dress which I love and I still have my closet from posh mark for two hundred forty dollars I I spent one hundred sixty dollars on on alterations and it was amazing. And you know I spent so much time and effort looking for that dress on posh Josh marks specifically I did go to the stores and you know like just shopping was my mom one day and she was not interested by the way. Your mom wasn't no I was like why. Why are we here? Go on her phone the whole time. You know I see my mom tears in my eyes says eventually he'd be like do you want me to tell you the truth or no well. It's not my wedding thing. It's not my day. Yeah she she our taste different so of course everything actually. Why don't you try that on? A hood wanted to be so covered. Does the opposite MOMS GIN skin skin. Yes my mom she do for my my wedding. She were Like a really short. I love it and I'm like a little daughter. You want the opposite Aso's too much wedding recently and it was In a very nice area of health net and the mom was very affluent. Affluent family family. Honestly she walked down the aisle like she was on the last season of America's not gonNA walk pointing at people in practice this sparkly flow e gown. Like it was insane. I was like Oh wow. This is her she was like she got a bunch worked worked on for shoes all ready for it. That mom okay. My mom is sexy and all that. But she's shot at the same time so she like. She likes the best kind of sex. Yeah she dresses like she wants attention and she you know she's beautiful and everything but she's shy. It's so weird so we are your parents married. She's single yeah that's probably attractive to a guy like ooh yeah I mean looking during the wedding she was she was with the guy I was like. Please don't bring him on me. Please don't bring that. She did. She brought it back and forth. I'm like Oh you know I'm being I realize I was just being too much. I'm her only child. Spoiled is to get him away from my parents and she like she convinced me. She should bring him. She also She had other people from her guest list. It was a wedding leading fifty people. That's it but my mom and my my parents paid for the wedding so of course I had to. You know had to let them bring. They wanted to bring which was was great. It was fine but you know I can't wait for that to happen then. I'm like walking around being. Who are you hi? I'm so sorry are do you know why you're here and I know why you're here. That's what they want airplane for free dinner free drinks the ones. I'll say it again if I look out single face when I'm walking on the island I don't know that person I'm out getting you know. Parents are bringing a new one of their friends for every dollar. I have complete control of everything. Yes be crazy but like I just don't want I've been at weddings were. I'm kind of random. I feel you ashamed. I I love this person and I want to celebrate them but I feel like I'm not contributing to this amazing time for them totally know how expensive it is one hundred percent right and it's almost like a a quid pro quo. It's like I'm paying one hundred and fifty dollar short president and this is one hundred fifty dollars off meal seven five. Whatever the amount is you're just kind of paying for your meal which I don't know what's that's exactly how I the haven't gone to any weddings this year though? Yeah so the the dress you in total paid four hundred dollars. Four hundred alterations isn't that crazy. And my husband yeah. He bought his suit on Schmor- also. Oh or the Pasta breakfast you honestly need to be sponsored by cosmic jeep. Hector desolate just like work together. Many many many times. I'm like no no no no no dishes saw no. It's a real hard no with them. So far mark you would be a commercial. I know in in a Tux. Excuse I got on now now. y'All can't see listening. But I hope the shoe Plato. So Flat Italic what these I got on posh mark so I don't shop fast fashion. I shop on posh mark all used stuff right so it's like you know same right so the shoes are from target and I got some posh mark for five dollars plus shipping so it was like eleven dollars total. Yeah I love them. I shop on there so much and I you know like shipping fast by the vast Amazon right. It's not Amazon of course but but it is fast. These people don't play. I couldn't sell Amazon or on posh mark because I would get the low reviews because I'm not fast people dob I think yeah. They're like constantly changing over their their closet and turmeric. All over and the picture I know and now have a baby's just like take. What have you done about baby clothes? Well I I trying my hardest Sir anything because we get people are sending out just wrapping old Napkins and so our our registry I was super like are not super. I was slightly adamant about just you know having our our family Liam friends give us used things for baby clothes because it's like they grow out of that so fast right. Why do we all knew but my my mother-in-law was a generic crazy? Everybody wants it's the body stuff make a registry so I put together with her help like ninety nine percent of it with her thankfully because it would not have happened without her and Yeah I let people buy baby clothes and we still have things that she can't even fit that were was on the registry. They people bought close up tonight. I think eighteen months or something and of course the grandparents are constantly sending clue so I never. I've think I've bought her. I went to a F- A friend of mine is a stylist and she had like a garage rush stale with all her amazing close a bunch of stuff for myself but I also she has a two year old daughter. So can you bring on any kids clothes. She run a huge boss of kids suffering. I bought twenty five dollars worth of things from her which is like which is like twenty a lot of stuff some of it she. She has even worn yet. 'cause I went overboard and then I remember I also warned Santa Barbara about her address from baby consignment. So but that's literally have bought her moving because we just have to live. I love people like on the list. They're like yeah. I just need you know what I just need those. What are the clubs really basics? Why this baby cowboy suit is really excited? Just goes rogue costumes. They WANNA see kids. You know I told with the baby and that baby lobster costume that I think will look. I'm so excited I mean her. I never even dress up. I was like my mom's bread. Adam butter what were you guys together as four kids know we. We all wanted to be different things I was. My mom made like strawberry costume. One year I was like a big strawberry robbery doboy was a honeybee bullies. Very Oh man. Mi Candy Door to door. Yeah wholesome motivated to do that. I was in jail like three years tomboy. Everyone's like a princess. I was in an Giang. I was always a last minute person so I was always like just just like cut. Just cut like a t shirt. Yeah I don't even remember. I don't I literally don't remember my costumes. I remember. They're just all last minute all like Asian Haney that think etta time for your cost. Assume I don't care market such my parents didn't want to spend any money on dollars is a lot right right like we're not gonNA buy whatever costume you want. But I remember with the trick or treating just how it was like you would lay out candy with your friends. You put all the races and this is the most valuable and then you put the king size in one pound. This is the most valuable. You know everything. I'd like a currency in one pile and Mike to school the next day right to trade by trade and it was really just like a way to like establish a system for. You'd have all this good candy. You know ninety I mean I would never eat it all to spill. Probably my mom sells it never cleaned. She cleans dumpty my bedroom. She No it's not her responsibility. It's my mom you know. I mean we said house when my parents divorced but and then we were living around the town but my I mean it's it's like I don't exist. There's no room or anything yeah. It's right from Ohio Ohio. There's maybe photos but it's like nothing. That's so crazy. Uh Room like exist as is my journals are underneath the bed. I have a A sweet what's it called like a box with the blue loop memory bonner safe a safe thing assist with journals in my mom to read and I have the key hidden rewards hidden when I go home like three times a year. I need I dare airborne Sharon scream. I think just like little snippets right. Great I'm going to do that or on your Youtube Channel for you and your you and your husband would die laughing. I've had him like years ago. Read through of my old journals and he does like the most funny. It's hilarious him. I love him to record him to do that. That could be podcasts. Yeah I mean him reading your journal Funny Boys. There's nothing to do that. There's nothing in this region. Thank you so what you grew up in an Anna Without like I haven't been to Atlanta really great. I grew up in the suburbs. The suburb Alfa Reta. Yeah spending on this is kind of. I mean they can't come after me now statute of limitations. But I never lived enough read them. I went to Montessori school there and my mom. She was just so impressed with the school system in Alfred. It's like the best school system in Georgia. I think at least it wasn't I was a kid. And so we use someone else's address for me to go to school from someone to Montessori up until first grade in first grade until I graduated. I used someone else's address to go to school. It was one of my friends addresses too so it was like kind of nowadays. I don't think she tell for him at the secret. Yeah I love it. We all kept. It was amazing. 'cause we're I mean we're not clearly not related different last names but all the school cool stuff for the whole entire time I was in school went to her house while it was. Yeah and I even liked transferred schools. I went to I went to two different high schools. Is that address and genius. Yeah so so I grew up in. Alfredo by actually never lived enough Redha I lived always living county by norcross and my mom now lives in town called Swannee Georgia which is all it. Seems like. It's hopping now she really. My mom is single right. I said that and she is like ready to mingle So there's a little town townsquare and they've got this place called Tequila Mama which is like Oh popping not me pop intially genet. You need to go you and Max into you know when you're here. We were there last month. Need to go to Tequila Mama. They have mazing parties. There got a DJ amazing. All all these James so we'd go there not at night. We went there with the baby during the day. And it's finding like this that way of life like why he doesn't have to go to the city anymore for yes just go through. The town square goes the Tequila. Mama they have a movies out in the long each other each other. She's dating A real estate agent everybody. Hey what's it like kind of seeing your mom date and into that okay. So the thing is my mom might my parents were. They split up when I was really little like four. Maybe I think I was four for so they were never together. My mom my whole life has been dating. She was married for a short amount of time when I was eleven But she was. She's she's always been dating. It was is weirder when she's not dating in like when she was married So I'm totally used to it and like all the different people and she's nowadays now she's older for some reason she's dating extreme characters kid. Maybe they'll board like like spice up my life. Some crazy for not one. That's shy though. Probably attracts that your way in a way that the person releases that person they're like I feel like I can hidden. Yes exactly really express myself in. There's the balance I guess totally and the the man who's like I said the real estate agent now. He knows everyone one. So he's like Barry in my mom she's fun but she's still. She's still didn't die so nice balance of of personality with with them. I've never met him. I just hear about you know. I've seen her many other people so I I think I understand how it goes your dad the my dad. He's married now now to mice so he's married for the second time. My current step mom amazing so sweet. They've been together like ten years now. They've got three years ago so sweet. She's like Super Intelligent. She reads all these bugs. She's like she's so easy to talk to understanding so intuitive It's amazing I bet she would love to hear you say that I'm not in. I'm not used to that. My mom is not like that at all. Yeah Yeah I don't really have anyone in my blood family medical family. Who's like Dan so cool very thoughtful? How kind of my grandmothers? It's Kinda like that. She's so sweet but my step mom is just like she's like somebody. I feel like someone I would met like just like in my travel. Yeah does as an adult around the funny how life works like that. Where like divorce does feel like such a heartbreaking it is but then like the rearrangement and who who they meet either win and then at like fill something in you right and my creates a relationship that you never would've had all really wrong? I'm lucky because my parents split. I was so little I didn't know I didn't go through any like you know that feeling of divorce when your parents divorced when you're older to me like them being two two part as always been normal so it's made it a lot easier. Yeah Yeah I think it's funny. I think both ways because my parents divorced when I was like right when I went to college. I think what I was. How old are you when you go to college? Eighteen and I think they stayed married for a few years longer tone toned weight which is very kind but I think that it was nice because they had them together for the time. It's not like it was healthy or it was good. There's a lot of things going on but it was nice that I hadn't experienced of my childhood with them together. I remember all my friends were divorced. They had divorced. Take Yeah mine are still together like that's why little even now it's weird. Yeah they're divorced. ooh It's in my idea. Perception that they're together. I remember eighteen domain married for thirty three years long time. Yeah and then so. Where did your the Vegan journey starks? I know that suggest part of you and you do it. Started well starts way back. It's funny though so my I remember my dad. He was raised Vegan crazy but he was raised in a religious community called the Hebrew Israelites. And they're sort of like if you think of the nation of Islam four in black people in the United States sort of like that with Judaism and there are different you you might hear of like the Hebrews. They're different like groups within the Hebrew umbrella. But they're all exists sort of Lena black groups but specifically typically. My Dad grew up as part of the Hebrew Israelites. These people are all Vegan and they read they you know they read the Old Testament very very literally and you know in the very very beginning in Genesis. It's like God gave. I don't don't quote me on this now because this religion or much serve any We'll forward those emails. So God gave you the fruit of the trees. Whatever And so to them. Yeah I mean you are supposed to only eat plants and avoid eating all animal products so my my dad grew up like that and it wasn't as an until he was in his twenties when my mom according to him I don't know met my mom that he I try in progress. I think he had had some when he was really really little. All but for the bulk of his you know formative years. He was Vegan so fast forward. I'm a little girl. I remember him telling me stories of being Vegan. I and being a raw vegan and I was like what is that. How did you cook? How did you eat beans and rice beans? But you know we soaked things hydrated and he worked at a Vegan restaurant in Atlanta he he's from DC but he grew up in like between DC Long Beach in Atlanta my my grandmother. There's like a nomad so Yeah I remember him telling me all these stories also. I had family members. I still have family members who are Vegan. His brother and his only sibling link moved to Israel which he relates to. He has a huge family. There I have I think I have fourteen first cousins on that either because I might have more and and I haven't met the mob never been Israel all Vegan always begin. They most of them all think about two or three live here so I was and I had like other family members. There's in the United States here Vegan growing up so I always surrounded by Egan's however I kid you not. I never once considered Being Vegan if you were not part of that that religious group and never once. I didn't know anybody would be and if they weren't Hebrew Israelites. Until I went to New York I moved to New York I went to school for acting. I live generic pursue that. I got a job as a vegetarian Vegan restaurant and that was the very first time I met a Vegan. Where you've got a job as vegetarian? Rian Yeah I already on my pappe because growing up one thing so my dad. You know he'd eat chicken and fish not not really fish but he will eat chicken and my mom same. We never eat red meat. I've never had red. Meat was strictly forbidden and dairy allergic to dairy. So I'd have like I ice cream and pizza pretty allergic so I was already like I would say I was playing bass. Raise this plant based I was raised like eating typical ninety s an typical ninety s away. But I yeah if we roll up I I. I don't know if I know. Pop tarts only. Yes garbage us at Walmart. Where my grandma lines? Wow I don't know if all of them Argon that one might not love the strawberry strawberries. I love when you like get things like when the AC on the cut out the corners the ICING ICING. Yeah I think so. I don't even remember what it's the disappear while I don't think I could either now truly the flavor I probably couldn't but I grew up eating that loving living there and my grandmother. She's she always gets like soul food but it was always very plant based you know he'd eat tons of Greens tons signs of beans tons of grains and and see potatoes. Of course so I was pretty much raised. Plant base. 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You know plants and ton of beans and such and so when I went to college I had this point of time where I really wanted to start eating well and healthier. Because I didn't want to. I went to school for acting knows very body conscious but I was not willing to die. I don't don't Diet sedan on it but I was worried like gaining weight and such but my mom has always been really good about like saying well if you just eat healthy. You don't need to worry about that. Don't worry about calories reason how much weight at a Da so I knew that so for me in college had this was like I'm just gonNA eat healthy. And just it'd be like my mom my mom's stills as days like only really clean like salads and she drinks wine that's her only by smer consumption. She doesn't eat junk food. NIC candies nothing So I I just I just feel like my mom was just eat well and I'm not going to have to worry about my body because it's just gonNa work out and honestly that is totally what happened because I stopped. I I started eating. Even more plant-based it started gave up all the junk food I stopped like having like brain fog and such had been eating like ton of fake sugar like splendor before then that all went away stopped caring about what my body looks like altogether because then I got so interested in food and like new vegetables and new ways of cooking and things I had never been exposed to in my childhood I was in college. That's what I was. I was away in Boston so I was like all this time to experiment Oromo own and that is really what propel me forward to like where what I do today like cooking food and being plant based and like using food as a way to of course. I like nourish yourself but just to be your best self right. Yeah okay. So that's when that started starting plant-based gave up all the junk food moved to New York City worked at a Vegan restaurant restaurant. Then it was introduced veganism as another thing other than religious so introduced to it as ethical point of view the health point of view environmental. I mental that all really spoke to me so I became the year after working at the restaurant went overnight as Allen. I cannot give up pizza. It cigare- It makes me but eventually you're into working. Mary became Vegan and then that that being becoming Vegan like really like triggered something in me this becoming being in making the decision. I am Vegan. Now made me feel like not that. I had all the answers but that I had like some sort of purpose in path in life and didn't know what it was going to be but I felt like I have something to pursue now going to help other people discover the stain saying that I've discovered like like I said before like using food to make you feel good and to like improve your life for whatever you know whatever improvement you need whether it's health issues or just like you know a lot of people for me included. I felt very guilty about eating animal products especially eating them and working out of Vegan arrest. A Straw felt so guilty. So you know helping you people line with their their values in life also so as board I do this now I was I was a private. I Bet Chef in New York for many years that was my first rendition of being a professional Vegan. I did a lot of Iran. A lot of online programs helping people become Vegan for in years I always had the blog in the background. I started this in two thousand ten and just a hobby. Youtube Channel says a hobby. And then I started doing see potatoes soul the blog and needed a full time in two thousand sixteen. I do today stuff. Did you notice a difference since like when you started to cook for yourself and really eat intentionally like just I guess what I'm getting as the energy that you under the food because I think like I remember a time especially in college where like food was kind of. We weren't friends. Mike I would just kind of like I would. I would eat it out of emotional distress. I wouldn't be intentional when I ate it. I would deprive myself and then been you know just all all the stuff so like do what was what was that feeling of putting love and Cheer Food and how do you think it changed your body. I mean that's like what you just described is exactly xactly the relationship I had had with before the deprivation and then binging after The the the guilt around all that so when I started Ed like this whole I really think I'm really grateful for my mom for never having. She was always weird about her body but she never which you know obviously reflects come with me too but she was never dieter and she always looked at it like it. Was You know what I have to do. Is Saint Eat. Eat better not better like I'm doing what I'm trying to say is. My mom was really even weird relationship with her body sometimes she he was very clear to me about like the answer. She never made me feel like you have to like go. Spend a month bench money he to fix yourself off shoes just like to eat. Well that's like what it is and of course be active. That's it very simple and so I think there's a bit of of like unhealthiness in her coach. Still however the way I took it for myself in an interpreted for myself especially when I was in college was very simple was like I'm just going to eat well and then putting that intention that love and to food and for me it became a passion Russian. So it's not going to become a passion for everyone right but for me it became a passion so of course like my body shifted because of I'm eating better right. I'm also not putting so much stress into my body like the emotional stress of worrying about your food in feeling guilty about your food and your body is enormous. That might be worse than eating junk food. I don't know but it's we all know. How terrible stresses for us? So for me yes it becoming a passion and and and like giving me some sort of like direction and knowing how I felt like I always knew how to eat and never felt like I needed to figure that part out. Yeah so that's the part that I think my mom for when you're on this path to be in with acting And and then you're like in. This came along like were you. I guess I'm trying to get at your your path to creating business. Were you ever really trying to to act. And how did you feel about having this. Come up in your life when you were trying to act in New York. I was done acting by the time I go to college into a Bu. I went to be did you really. Oh Wow that'd be such a great program. It is intense yeah did you. What did you study? I studied theater and English as well. Well And it was great. It was also intense in a different way but I loved it. I loved it. It's within within a container of college and like you can really 'cause you're playing roles that you would never play in the professional world. You're giving opportunities to just be creative in that way but yeah but yeah I mean I went to New York after as well and yeah. It's not as romantic. No see this is my that was my total my whole experience ends so romantic Expiration of South and care so much fun. I feel like I feel so blessed to have even even experienced that truly conservatory program. It was just great. Yeah and then you moved to New York and you actually have to go for auditions or silly stuff breath and that's like not challenging not interesting and you know it's political and like trying to meet casting directors and I didn't like any of it I really. They didn't so within the I did a really great show. I was just thinking about it last night because my girlfriend is currently in A. She's starting rehearsals per show with with One of my my the other actors in the show with me on Broadway or at TV show. No it's it's a play way over Alabama Shakespeare Coil Theater. I guess it's called. I Really WanNa go see her but I was thinking about molly of bird the name of the play and it was amazing mazing. It was part of the Summer Stage Festival in New York City. My first full summer said some of two thousand ten and it was great then after that my acting like that show is over and I'm laying board and not inspired anymore and I can never I continued going talk dishes ends. I was doing commercials for a while but you never got the passion back at all and so when I be when I was working on that Vegan restaurant and when I became Vegan I I was already at the point where it was done and I was. I was looking for something else but when you go to school for acting you know like it's kind of like going. It's so specialized like going to school all to be a doctor. Like if you're not a doctor like what other what are you GonNa do. You say you want to be a doctor. Same with me an actor you went to school for acting like I literally I. I took like a few math classes few English classes but that was everything else is acting. So what else am I going to do. Now that I want to be an actor anymore like I have no skills I I felt which obviously is not true. That's what I felt so I was searching and I was like confused and I was having early. Quarter life crisis and then I became Vegan in that light bulb. Those something with this and I still feel like I'm I don't I'm not acting. I'm not playing any roles anymore anymore. But I'm I'm on camera now and present presenting now and you know so I think it is similar away yet interesting too late. Let go of that and then allow you know something new to come through and then also like being appreciative of all the things you did learn in our school that are serving you now. So Oh amazing. Amazing it's really more not or were you like I'm good I think I'm more into it. Yeah I did yeah especially seeing my other friends so you know in the the program. I became so close at so many people and they most of them moved out here because Muslim wanted to do TV and film and like they. I was far away from them. That was difficult difficult. My best friend lived here right after college and then so they were over here. I was you know not doing acting anymore. So as extra tough just not Having anyone around me who who understood what I was going through so It was a it was a process. Yeah sure yeah so after so once you kind of got that paying that. Okay this is this is going to be part of my purpose. Like what were those first actual steps that put you in that direction action and gave you forward movement. I've always been a volley then super ambitious and I've always be an entrepreneur so like this is like my chance debut entrepreneur. So I I like I said I was working in the restaurant. I was a waiter restaurant and a restaurant. One knows cafe. He's still in love. Peace Union no not that one God. That was way before that one upper west side eighty second in Amsterdam. Oh I think it may be episode two of them so they opened the second location at US enough that yeah upper east so yeah then there. Yeah but one union. Yeah I don't know if we were talking. We ate a blossom a few times. Yeah Yeah so good. I love especially the baked goods. I was they made me such a junk food every day. When I start work side already I have had breakfast and stuff it at home come door and then I would just eat? They had like The second the second day or the day old muffins and such My Co co-workers and I would just like go in we. Do you like three muffins. Every before like our shifts started every day and got his semi healthy. I was not bad barfoot situation when I was bartending on Mike and I would just yeah I worked at outback steakhouse blooming onion. She's rice with ranch dressing. If you guys made an extra and there'd be like a play to fucking everyone got it I would. They eat a loaf of bread for dinner and be like I just want have a loaf of bread and ranch dressing. I've never been outback. I never read me. Never never you know. It's a gem of West. Yeah at the the outback steakhouse by Kings Island which is a amusement park. So people come in like wet and from John Busey wet. The one thing I remember about our reline though people fucking love the was the lighting like it was almost like this romantic lighting on each booth. Why people got engaged all the time? It was crazy when I first started. Who could smoke at the bar really? Isn't that nutty your fifty on fifteen. At the time there are no but like a while your highest different statement to Georgia two hundred dollars. I think in Nevada vada still smoke in some places where I was recently maybe international and people were still smoking at the Bar Selwyn. My mom was a stewardess during the time when they could smoke on planes. What my dad was like? We shoot when we'd go on planes and fly. He's we would honestly wear our Sunday best. We'd were oh no I wear my Sunday worse. Yeah literally on tons of chain I know in New York feeling a little loss and discovered veganism. How did you oh yeah like how do I get started I so yeah? I wanted to be an entrepreneur right and so I'm working the restaurant. I'm like okay. Well I'm surrounded. Upper West side. A lot of wealthy people have a lot of you know the customers. They want easy but they don't Wanna eat at the restaurant all the time I didn't they want to work in the kitchen. 'cause it's stressful. So I decided I'm asserted private chef companies aren't already knew how to cook. had been like experimenting our years at this point so I decided to You know use my connections the restaurant and get some clients as a private chef is in happened overnight though these clients I mean a lot of the people the restaurants are like. Oh it's expensive that it so it took me the time. I decided to start as a private chef. It took me like probably six months. Muncie my first client and I was like putting flyers and like housing. Where would my ideal client be right? The fancy nail salons like doing little things at fancy hair salons Johnson of do like I would like setup and do like sampling. You Know Fancy Yoga Studios Perio guy on the upper west though. Oh Yeah Yeah. I practiced there too so I was like. I'm GonNa know all these people in you know my first client that I think she got my I do think she got a fire at one of the nail salons and then after I got her it was great because she recommend recommended me to her friends and then she started doing like a meal. You'll share with her friends so they would. They would pay me more to cook more than they split it in other friend. Just come and pick it up. I didn't know how to take it to her house and then recommending recommending me for like dinners special. Dinner Hires Genetic Cook for you. I started doing cooking. Classes just took off after that after I got the first client and I started doing meal delivery preparing things in my home and taking it to clients. Well it was awesome nights like. I said he did that fulltime from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen thought to work. Yeah whatever team no no are you joking. Where'd you cook it? Your place. I mostly in people's homes. Okay okay but sometimes holy craze and I also started doing supper clubs There's one name Daphne Chang. She's in in China now working but she had a great supper club in tribeca. It was all Vegan and you know different being chefs would come in. We'd cook and it was great and we could serve fifty fifty. The people know maybe not that much. It was a lot of people. Maybe forty and I always had to hire a team to help me with things like that but like day-to-day just mean Chopping digging to the client homes. It was so hard because New York. You know taking the subway and I'm taking cabs around and it was was just like so just around town around and I was really young. I started when I was twenty four so at least I was way had a lot of energy by my body was like okay with that but yeah fast forward. The time. By the time I stopped it was too much. I Did Supper Club in my home even called it little Harlem Kitchen Jenner got a big beautiful marble table On this website called APP Deco. It's like craigslist Berlin furniture. Wait write that down. It's still it's not yeah. I don't think it's an la though I probably have one here. I've been looking on more lake. You know Sites where people are selling their furniture like more upscale but is for affordable affordable amazingly. I saw that table for a little bit more than I purchased a show. Yeah cool but Yeah I know the supper clubs in my house I was also doing programs too so I would create only program where people do. Sorry where people doing this at the time. When and you're doing it relate just like how did you get these ideas to do these well? I went to integrate nutrition. And when I did that program you know they talked to you. They have the business coaching staff. I was never good at doing the one on one coaching. A may have been good at it. Okay at it but I was never getting clients to have so I just like they figured well if I do an online program which were I. Wasn't the only person doing online programs. But I was probably there. Weren't that many Vegan ones at the time only programs back then there were a lot of like business things like learn how to market. Yeah like that so I figured oh well just do want to teach you how to be Vegan not to make money but to eat E. N.. Right so yeah I took A. I did another program that I heard about. Do I n called holistic NBA. And is. He's amazing women their business coaches and they have like these online isn't coaching programs. I did one of their programs and I learned how to like put together and how to market and how to like build my list. I I've had a newsletter since two thousand eleven started this stuff I just like had it because I had my blog and I just want all right. It was re back then because only had like two hundred subscribers death expense Elgin Gio Tim. It's ridiculous so expensive new email everyday that's like they're pricier Kane. How might I know the little things with you know planes but the little things with running a business? I don't think about dropbox expensive. Google got admin. Just just have your Google. Yeah like five hundred a month and stuff like that website and everything like that. Yeah it'd be more. Yeah exactly right. Maybe you've been more the backup stuff. Yep Yeah site and then in the end of the year you know just having to hire people to fix stuff like on special and wordpress. It's just outrageous because they always start it at least five hundred dollars. Do something in usually takes an hour. Yeah Yeah Yeah Swear Outta do fine in spine were you educating yourself or reading a lot about the he knows them to like okay. Hold on what are your favorite for the first thing I actually read when I became came Vegan was the Vegan EST by Kathy frustration. I heard she is she. She's like a self help there and I'm not sure if Venus's agonists her first Vegan book but it was the first explicitly that I know of but she's she lives out here she's like beautiful blonde woman who like I thought ought to read her book and it's not going to be to like soccer to be too graphic gonna be like light like why you should go vian light but is light as it was it was was like so transformative to me and I was like depressed not that I had been. I don't want people to like going to be depressed but I was depressed reading her book because I was reading like so much about like animal agriculture and stuff in this Vegan light book. It was just so overwhelming to me but that was the first one that I read. Mostly what I would read although as cookbooks and just learning really about flavor combinations and how to Cook and how to make I used to make ice experience experiments so much more than kitchen when I was cooking for people and I would just go get cookbooks. And like I'm today. I'M GONNA make like Korean. Scalia and pancakes things back agenda. I don't do any of that anymore. but yeah. I was just like Hamlin cookbooks. I'd had so many I would get them from the library. Read them you know from Tha Ah learned so much especially from them. That's a smart approach. Yeah because it's like knowing people like anyway yeah and then and then creating recipes is an ways in which they can make that beacon. So can you give us some examples for people who are curious or who wants to be mainly plant based like what what could they do. That won't kind of like I don't know I think sometimes when I think about lake becoming Vegan it's it's like all or nothing and it has to it. Ah It will be a sacrifice kind of in your soul. Because you're like that thing and now I can never have it again so we can. We take that myth away and just say what would you recommend to clients who are are curious. Always recommend that people just start out eating or via nizing are eating vegan versions of foods that they're already familiar with so not upending upending. Your whole food world not just going like just not introducing yourselves. All new foods and flavours right away but just igniting like my. My favorite foods are the foods that I grew up eating. And so you know. I have a cookbook. And it's just being is versions of the food that my grandmother when I was growing APP. So like a lot of Krill. Well we're you know living in the south soul food but also creole food. We loved a lot so krill things made vegan soul food food vegan biscuits pancakes Breads into fe things like that that I just already had a taste for and no matter are what your culture is. You can do that literally any culture and specifically though it's a lot easier than people realize because you know most of our food who'd cultures are rooted in eating plants like if you're a Vegan especially back in the day before we had all these all these restaurants if I wanted a good meal and I wanted to. We can options. I would go to an ethnic restaurant so I would go especially to Asian restaurants Indian restaurants Mexican restaurants even because he can just get things without cheese. The like is this cooked with chicken stock. A lot of times. It wasn't so eating. Ethnic food has always been my Go-to Vegan. So if you're coming from some sort of ethnic background you can just recreate like you don't have to recreate a lot of these recipes. You just like swapping out. If you're used to using you know putting chicken in something can you do for me. I was you mushrooms nowadays. Also there's all these actual one to one meat alternatives so I- beyond chicken beyond me. Ah these sausages and stuff so you literally can just by that and make the same thing with fat. So it's a lot easier than what you think. And you know here in America if our food culture is purely American then it went in by the way American food culture to my mind is what we're talking about before like pop tarts and things then I think the bigger issue is not like trying to make it Vegan but trying to just add more plants plants onto your plate and then worry about going fully Vegan. A lot of that junk like we were saying before is already anyways so yeah yeah Orioles Vegan right. Yeah they're Vegan What have you seen as far as like their response? You know online sharing your veganism like I know it can be divisive sometimes. Sometimes I have you had that experience sort of what share I you know. I don't I don't have any divisive Experiences I never really have and I think it's just my personality. I'm just telling writing smiling and people just come to me like that But I have had a lot of conversations especially when it comes comes to like this question of is Vegan like some some Hoity toity things white thing some privilege thing gene. That's a conversation that I love having because I guess people is someone. Is that if you're Vegan you're white you're wealthy L. fee you only shop it you know Erawan here in la or some sort of alternative like Super Ritzy expensive grocery store and you don't another thing is that you simply you only care about animals. You could care less about you know what other people are going through. So why can't some into animals and people are suffering. That's a conversation than I'm always having and that's like constantly swirling around me. 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So that's perfect bar dot com slash almost thirty to get fifteen percent off your order. I always come back to the fact that Degan is I'm sure like our the ancestors. Were not a hundred percent vegan. Most of our ancestors were not but they were a lot closer to being one hundred percent begin then what people are eating today. A you know the things that were today this whole like industrialized food system is brand new. It's only been a it's been around for less than a hundred years this way. We eat eating the amount of animal products that we eat is so new. It's even you know in the last fifty years assist new all the health conditions and problems that we're having are so new so for us a look at this way of eating and living something like innate human in something that we need to hang onto is just. It's just misinformed. You know eating plant base is how people have always been. It's a lot. It's so much more efficient eat plans. It doesn't make sense to raise animals normal's like a regular system for humans vert raise animals and just eat them every day. Because you'll never have enough animals. You'll run out so you know you have your the animals. Maybe you milk the animals or you had the animals to help you to grow food or whatever but you eat. The animals. Traditionally people have been eating animals for like if they're raising animals like you know on their own land. They've been eating them. They kill a goat or something sacrificed a goat for sacrifice or kill it. Maybe for big celebration and when it came to hunting people were not like people hunted and killed animals. It was a sacred at us it was about abuse every part every heart and they are the animal was you know had given their life for for the person to eat them in a way you know thinking at this way. We don't live like that at all more. So it's just silly to think a and it is also if you INC that all vegans. Are you know written Britt Ridge and white and data. You're just not looking because there are plenty of people who are not like that. Yeah I WANNA touch on on on that in a little bit more detail but but I did want to bring up. We saw this recently that The trump administration like one talking about animal agriculture. And the shift that we've seen in the past one hundred years. The trump administration overturned the organic livestock and poultry practices. which is a rule that happened? In the Obama Administration that regulates welfare standards for farmed farmed animals whose meat can be sold as organic so. He basically eliminated a lot of the regulations. That Obama put in place that really protecting consumers from believing and trusting that the meet was labeled organic and what he's also doing is ease allowing factory farm factory farms have their staff be the people that inspecting all of the meat rather than someone that's from government so that means that cargill or like all these companies that purdue can basically have people that they hire within their organization the people that are inspecting so basically. We can't trust a lot of the practices that were doing inside which is terrible crazy. It's disgusting it's disgusting and if you're so if you're super super pro business as a actual like an individual not like the government honest trump. She's super pro business. You can look at that And you can see even if you are imprisoned you can look at that and you can see the flaws in that law on his. You can see how that's not protecting you as a consumer right. I know my mom. For example. I love my mom but we don't agree with these things. My mom is very. She loves trump chow supporter. And she is interesting dressing. Because she's she's at the same time she's an environmentalist. She is so interesting loves animals. She doesn't eat she's almost wholly began again. She wouldn't choose like she's always been plant based right loves animals doesn't she if she heard that she would think you know. Fake News shooting Here on the website but she would be like you know just just the the the cost of progress right so many people look at that but if you look at it like that are you still still. Are you gonNA eat the food. Are you gonNA eat that meat. That had to sing. Yeah they cost the progress they they say. Yeah but are you going to get that you know you want somebody else to eat that no would we just keeping US sick. Yes yes Lyndon in a trump thing though just the issue thing which is like the problem that we believe we have faith right now in corporations and governments to be the the ones protecting US government. We trust them. But really it's a harmful practice and now we need to be more careful than when people are buying organic meats. Exactly it's extremely unfortunate. Still GonNA charge way money exactly. And it's like why like of all the things for them to focus on and to overturn into whatever it's like money of course lake. It's just so it distracts away from what's really happening. Which is an interesting interesting thing that they do all the time for me as a as you know a I think I do think of myself as an activist even though so you know if you go on my website and my blog I mean? I'm I'm sharing recipes with people you know in your lifestyle tips and inspiration but fundamentally I think myself is an activist visit I think of what I do as a Revolutionary Act. Because I'm helping people to see that you don't have to eat that way. That's not the only way. And you know the government they can you know regulate and they should regulate a lot harder. But I really do believe that. They'RE NOT GONNA regulate if we are basically the individuals us we have to make Change Valley government to listen. Yeah companies to lessen the company is they've been doing this stuff with organic produce in meat for long longtime the fact that the organic certification is so expensive in that small farms. Most of them can't even afford to pay for. It really helps large farms right the fact fact that you know the the the government right now because of the trade wars in China. They're giving farmers so much money. That money that the government is giving to farmers is not going to small all individual farmers. Let's go into these humongous corporations right. These farm corporations that are accepted by out pretty much. Yeah and so I think it's you know the onus onus is on us as I mean it's on the government to but for us as informed individuals. It's very much on us to help other people to see this. Whether are those people are rich or poor or dot doesn't matter it's so much it's an issue that affects all of us in just. Yeah we have to make changes right now. You know at the same time that they did this. With organic certification companies like cargill are investing more plant-based too. So they don't care about they. They're not they have no moral standings Kazak right and they just care about money and so we have to help them. We have to shift them more because they're not going to go away. Yeah hopefully the government will regulate. Yeah but I wanted to read too. Who so just one of my favorite quotes about though the book that turned me to being Beacon Hill plant-based now? I have college every once in a while. They'll have honey So don't necessarily surly Sam Vegan if I get caught mostly mostly but I've been Begin for four years vegetarian for like ten. Wow and one of the books that turned mound to eating animals by Jonathan Four. It's very very powerful and it's it's no joke I'm one of my favorite quotes is from Jonathan. We know at least leased this decision ending factory farming and that was really his stance as it related to it was ending factory farming over anything. Yeah well prevent deforestation curb global warming. Ming reduce pollution save oil reserves. Lessen the burden on rural America decreased human rights abuses improve public health and help eliminate the most systematic attic animal abuse in history. When I think about why I am plant based over anything else that really encompasses all the reasons? Yes it can touch on every aspect of things that I'm aware of as a conscious person in my life so people don't understand that at factory farms what they do is they. I used illegal immigrants often times so they will bring in people from Mexico from places where they don't they don't give them the rights they're paying them fare wages and and then if they were to hear about government coming in to check on the factory farm they would ship them back to Mexico so they take advantage of people that eleven underprivileged places places and just like the practices of course are so terrible and so in humane and it's unfortunate that we are in the position where we have to do for this. But it's coming to that point not where we have to become Vegan. I'm not saying that but where we have to really step in and be thoughtful about it because it's it's very obvious that what is going on is not right exactly very very but I think it. I think it's I think there's still some people don't even know 'cause I hear a lot about this. There's a lot of Even in my own life you know I know a lot of people who are not Vegan specifically because they think that it's it's just it's it doesn't matter you know we're talking game animals here but what about humans but they don't understand the connection between we're saying like working in factory farm is incredibly dangerous dangerous like you said they're bringing in people who are undocumented who are there underpaying. They're not giving their rights there. They are treating humans in humanely. Also the people who live around around factory farms it's polluting their waterway online on North Carolina with the pig l.. My God I get mills the poor northline our show sick right because is of these peg. Shit Film Swan Swung and it's and it's also all the antibiotics and all of the stuff that they're so that's the thing too is like system within factory. Farming fits perfectly into big Pharma. Yeah so what they do. Is They give antibiotics. They feed them all this shit to keep them alive to make them grow. Faster to have chickens begins grow to their full size in twenty eight days and that money is going to farm swine flu and like like all that kind of stuff because that's it he's like superbugs this and then what we need the drugs but the same brought so. It's good when we get sick when Pete them the more people who are sick in this country higher. GDP goes up. It is it is it is the economic while makes sense for us to be sick and I also think about like the people working in the factory farms terms or even around factory farms and sleek energetics of like so much death. You know like being around so much. Know what that what that does to their spirit here at my heart. Can you imagine if you were. You know someone an illegal immigrant from Mexico. You think getting a chance to work in Stanley. Yeah and you're having to to do this job and then you know it just is it's soul-crushing deforestation in Brazil Amazon. Most of that is reforming exactly so much. And it's not like we have. This is the sole thing that every single person needs to do clearly understand that but moving more towards it right because together like the because people often think and I would think you know what. I'm not going to make a difference in this way. Like if I I do it like it's not going to make a difference but if you do it and you know you talk about it and ten other people join you and then ten other people join each one of its just a can make a huge huge huge difference. There is Do you guys know gene. Baur is an animal rights activist. He's the founder of farm sanctuary. They've got a few. It's the one that's called farm sanctuary. Sorry is one here in in California and there's always went to it which say awesome in Acton. Yeah so. He's the founder of that gentleman. No I went to gentle barnes yards. That's right around the corner from similar concepts but he started his started the first one in the eighties. Maybe the nineties but anyway he he. We're talking And he was saying how he has. I don't know if it was his initial idea but he was telling me about this idea of wins. Once the population in hits like ten percent of something. Ten percent of the population is doing whatever thing than it's a tipping point that really helps spur the rest of everybody else to come along with it. So veganism so basically once. Ten percent of the population is begin or even like plant based mostly Vegan. Then that's the tipping point. That's going to help you know. Everything moved forward in that direction. So that you'll start like now might be happening now you McDonald's just announced announced they're gonNA have their first Vegan Burger plant-based Burger. I think they're launching an in Canada. KFC's launched the beyond chicken. Dan In calf season in Georgia. When I think it was only one location you know all the fast food places now whether it sell Taco or Burger King? They you have a Vegan option now also the grocery store like DNV in Vegan. So many people are when I became Vegan in two thousand eleven so it wasn't like it was years ago now. Things are so different than they are today. They weren't nearly as many restaurants weren't nearly as many options. When I spoke about being being people would you know always be like offended that I'm Vegan in want to argue with me? That never happens anymore this conversation earlier on this shift so much so I I do think I do think we're moving in the right direction. That new movie the game changers about like it's it's all about like By basically how the myth myth of like protein US needing protein that we do need birding right but I seen so much protein house here in the United States. This obsession with protein. It's a movie that was produced. He's by James. Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger is in. I don't know if he's being or what I didn't see it yet. But he's in it and all these. It's all these like famous. Athletes Huge Columbians basketball players big athletes. Who are like yeah? I'm so much healthier so much you know. It's better athlete because the animal products. That's what's really going to speak to the male population for sure and so we're really seeing shifts so I'm I'm I'm disheartened to hear. Things by trump administration is just Zeina source. Doing all these stupid like ridiculous things but the same time us we as a population. I do think we're moving Forward agree so I think that as much as they wanted to take steps backwards the momentum is still going forward I agree almost like calls on us. Yes the faster with more power because so there is yeah there is a purpose tiller is circus like a silver lining. I love that you called album dinosaurs. Because that's exactly. Yeah last question for me and I wanted to talk about this. What you mentioned but Being a woman of color in the wellness space You know be first of all being woman of color. That's a Vegan. I completely agree. I don't see that quite often and it's so refreshing. What is your experience been like and and do you feel like you have a responsibility like do you feel just like you? I don't know how what is it like. Yeah well it's it's it's encouraging because now I see so many more people who are women of color specifically but also men and everybody in between. It's like you know just people of color period who are more visible in the Vegan space in the wellness space So that's super encouraging it. Is it inland. It has been hard at times because I've often literally been the only person of color in the room when I'm you know on a on a press trip or like when I was cooking for people I do an event and like none of the none of the people in my class. For example were are black or of color or anything like that so it has been hard at times. I grew up in a very diverse. Even though it's like Alfred Georgia it's it was was buried divers upbringing for me in so it. Sometimes it's hard just being the only one but not. It's not like that anymore now. It's just so how many more people who are visible who always been there. You know grown up in Atlanta Atlanta has such a history and just such a rich of black vegans and in black just like hippies. That's how I like to think of it like they've been around forever like my dad used to work at the Vegan restaurant called soul veg there before I was born well before before I was born and so that's always been president. It's just like we don't see that on. You didn't see that in the news. You didn't hear about it if you weren't in that world and now you don't see still don't see it as much on social media or you know in the media in general but now that's changing and I do feel like I have a responsibility to promote promote promote people. Who are maybe just starting off doing this and you know new or even if not new at all just like they're doing amazing things and I've done a lake shine light and be like see you? So yeah it's it's responsibility because I when we have a diverse verse conversation think everything is much better right. We all benefit from that. Yeah I love the point about ethnic food. Yeah that's such a great point taught about that but I I've really loved the way you put it and it's so true surge. I mean even look like in so often I've heard hope Viga. You're you're not gonNA eat my grandmother. My Grandmother's eighty three years old. She grew up in a city. She grew up in Philly actually so then. They moved down to Georgia. She comes from armor right. Her grandfather was a farmer. Her parents they lived in the city. Her grandfather was a farmer. Bat like beyond the the grandfather everybody's farm off in Delaware. My grandfather has been off from Georgia. They're all farmers. My Dad's family go back two generations. They're off farmers in. Not only were this people. Farmers is but even their children so my grandparents and my great grandparents. They all have their own garden. The all they didn't depend on going to the grocery store at about produce the eight eight a ton of produce because at all the gardens people were even black people were just so much more of the earth and then based in charge of their help. It's it's not like that people are just to spin eating junk food and soul food and eating poorly forever. That is totally all. And it's only it's just a product of our American allies food system that we're all suffering from but of course by people suffer from it more gray proportion but yeah you know we he come from Ethnic to like we come from plant based rates as well growing our own food and so it's really were like being Vegan to me. It's I feel like I'm just kind of coming back to the way things really should be trying to get back to the way in traditional ways of living. Yeah and Yeah I love like just the idea of having would be a way to come back for ourselves and for it to be like a spiritual experience you you know yes that is one of the last for me is I know you're a new mom I am from what is becoming a mother changed in you and especially especially just being a public figure you know like being online and knowing what's important and what's not yeah I mean I'll I thought I had I always I knew my purpose like since convenient I want to be a movie that was my purpose right now. It's so invigorating. Like oh no. I'm here but I he didn't feel it then as strongly as I do now that I have her now I really feel like I have purpose now. I feel like there's there's something inside of me that is so much more like complete and so much more like fulfilled and in Purpose S. Senate ever was before In Yeah now you know priorities wise. It's a lot easier to say no to things when you when you have a child in your like most like my most thing I care most about in this world is her but at the same time. I'm also like feel so completely if I got hit by Carter died I that'd be okay because I mean I wouldn't want to leave her just diffusing of like I have. I have expressed myself in the greatest most fulfilling way that I ever could imagine edged island and I just feel complete But it is still is hard seeing all she. Don't WanNa let me sleep throughout the night. Which is fine after feeder anyway in unlike our connection is so beautiful where she it is hard especially because as a as a like you said probably person but just as a working person right and a a person who like my work is creative? So I think there's like another level of the guy never it can turn off. I am always working creative. Creativity is like always turning and so I have a lot of mom guilt around needing to you work around needing about like having this other life outside of her that I'm dealing with now because I just want to put everything fully into to her right but I literally. I just can't 'cause I technically I could. I guess I could just quit all this but there is a part but I love what I do. That serves her. It's not like a non just a job and quick. I don't care about that I love what I do. I'm not gonNA quit it but then I let her and so it's just it's really difficult. She's only eight months old. So I'm like in the thick of like this babyhood in this like all this new and I think it's going to get easier but it's really hard especially that but at least it's hard but I have her right so it's just even having her just makes life so much better like so many more reasons to smile and just like just be happy. I think it's beautiful to be able to. I'm not a mom but like to be able to continue to do things that you love you when you have kids because as they think you're sending a message like I think they take that in as energy I think they observe that like you know my mom was just all about the kids which was beautiful but it would have been cool to see your kind of thing. She really loved outside of kits night so even thinking about like traditional ways of living to like it it is not is not normal not traditional for us to be so you know for women have always worked right but we've always worked and we've always lived in community and and that's not the way we live here in this country anymore and so it is. It is important to me to be with other people to work with other people bull to for her to see that for her to have aunties and to be lake. Comfortable with other people In the way that are actually I did would have that because I was my mom was a single mom and I was raised by my grandmother on Bass around a little bit but I- doing sperm. I just trying to like create more community community around her. So you know at Philip. Jeez yeah the village so that she sees us for all doing. We'll have a purpose now. Being a mom is a purpose enough. Okay but you know but also like there's were doing some other things as well that are not as important the mind you but they were doing so working our community connected. You see potatoes soul dot com my blog by soup potatoes soul on instagram cookbook. It's called C potato soul. I'm assuming she'll potato soul on youtube anywhere just search sleep data soul so I'm saying Yes to you cooking me dinner event talking to Sarah about this event how we got ashamed anything in a while so got you don. Donald we love you. Thank you guys. 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774: The 3 Most Common Hurdles in Decision Making, And How to Avoid Them

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774: The 3 Most Common Hurdles in Decision Making, And How to Avoid Them

"Hey guys my name is bowel baoquan win. I am currently in the military but you know as another job. I also hair as barbour. I'm twenty eight right now looking back. I coulda used this three years ago but i'm happy i took the leap one of my biggest aha moments. This was our talk a lot and make judgment and i didn't realize that <hes> my frigging chatterbox in my head it's like can stop me from doing something that just is is not as scary as you think it is so that was pretty cool to to understand from the program and the one thing i'm so excited about implementing the skills that i learned in this program. Are you ready to get these results in your life head on over to the charm armed dot com slash boot camp and sign up today. Welcome back to the art of charm podcast this show where we bring you actual tips and strategies on how to better connect socially boost your emotional intelligence and master conversation. I'm jay and i'm johnny this month and all about decision making. We hope that you enjoyed the first two episodes. I know that johnny. I as we were putting together our toolbox episode. We decided to air it a little later this month. After bringing onto amazing guests who are experts and decision making yeah i mean there was a lot of trepidation and us putting together something that we certainly have talked about and we have done the research and and looked at the science on decision making but when you have two people of that stature who <hes> who decided that they wanted to come on the show well sometimes uh-huh you gotta make a little room and you gotta fudge a few things so well. I think what's been fun is obviously we've been decisive. Decisive leaving our careers to start at this decisive in our personal lives but at the same time trying to figure out the science of decision-making especially when it comes to hard decisions that were all faced with with we were happy and excited to bring on those guests now dan arieli and eric weinstein both of them shared a lot of valuable insights into decision making and if you i haven't listened to them we strongly recommend that you do this toolbox. Johnny and i wanna take a few of the concepts we touched upon those interviews and dig a little deeper into them and of course share share some of our personal experience. We're gonna talk about why decisions are hard and how that makes them a powerful tool for self development. Why do we feel regret in and how can we turn it around to use it as a motivator for action and lastly we'll also look at an important but often overlooked parameter in the decision making process the opportunity cost. How can we eliminate it. It's a lot of stuff so let's get started. One item that both dan and eric mention was just how hard decision making is now we had to experts on the science of decision making and they both admitted that they're not great at making tough decisions either and i want to add to that they're both incredibly intelligent people and the smarter you are her the more variables that you have in your decision making which makes it difficult and eric pointed out to us that a lot of the work he's he's done with math and computers decision tree is quite clear. Yes the outcomes are obvious but as we know when it comes to socialising the outcomes are not obvious. Decisions are not as clear cut well. This is something that we talked about. In class and decision-making socially is does it come to ones zeros. It's not the market norms as dan arieli was talking about. It's the social norms and what motivates us and what compels us to build <unk> deeper connections is human connectedness and this is what's very important this there are no one's zeroes in that. There's only emotions. I was relieved to hear both of them. Say decisions are still hard right. We heard eric even mentioned that he over analyzes and he knows it and here he's he's running. A capital hedge fund. Yeah important decisions have to be made and he's still says it's tough for him. So why are decisions so hard well well number one. They have long lasting consequences. Yes and for a lot of us. They can be pretty detrimental. I know one of the biggest decisions i ever had to make was quitting graduate school leaving the p._h._d. Program at michigan to start this company and we're still figuring out if that was a good decision some nays other uh-huh and of course we heard from dan that we as humans go for the path of least resistance and a lot of times that path of at least resistance is do nothing. Don't make a decision indecision allows us to keep moving on and that laziness inherent in all of us has created a situation that makes decision-making heart yeah and also when it comes to the path of resistance it usually comes in the form of the pathways that have already been built the patterns and decisions that you've made in the past are going to dictate what is going to be the easier path and lastly honestly when it comes to making tough decisions well. A lot of us are striving for perfection. Were maximizes. Were trying to get the best possible outcome and unfortunately when it comes to making big decisions were often dealing with incomplete information not to mention cognitive distortions in fact we had a whole show on cognitive distress we this episode seven oh four actually so check that out bad houseguests where we talk about these cognitive distortions in how big of a role they play in our decision making process but let's sort out of decisions that we make there are certainly some easy decisions in there are some hard decisions and michael to put together a great thought experiment here involving johnny and a candle so pay close attention say i wake up in the morning and i'd try to decide what to have for breakfast. So i go to the fridge house. I open it up and there's exactly two items a doughnut and a candle wiser candle in the fridge. You're probably gonna have to ask johnny. I don't know what it's doing in there but of course do i eat this donut for breakfast or do. I eat this candle well. That's a pretty easy decision right. I'm probably not gonna eat the candle unless it's been a really long night now. Let's say the decision changes lead say instead of it being a candle candle. It's a bagel on our target so you can see that easy decisions. Were comparing two things. It's clear cut one. One has nutritional value the other one doesn't now harder decision is going to be the bagel donut right. I might be interested in savory. I might be interested in sweep that decision. Now is going to create more cognitive processes for me. I have to figure out what is best for me to eat and of course if i was to compare that to leaving a p._h._d. Program will help. That's not quite as difficult decision but you can see that there are gradations nations to the decisions that we make and today's episode. We're going to start talking about how to make those hard decisions. Those decisions that have lasting consequences when it comes to to a hard decision well typically. Both options are going to be good. Both options are going to have some benefits and some downsides so the candle zero nutritional value easy decision bagel doughnut now. We're starting to get a little tougher because we have to start thinking through well the donut some nutritional value probably not as good as the bagel but they both have carbs and here in l._a. Or trying to avoid carbs getting ready for the ragnar so how do we deal with hard decisions and johnny smiling because even he and i take different tax when it comes to decision making certainly and there's a lot to go into this and that's why i was really excited about this topic. There's also though thing that we had talked about is and and there's also a emotions that are tied to these decisions and and these emotions how are connected the bias and the carpet of the sources as you mentioned and a lot of times. I think our emotions have already made the decision. I'm going to have that donut and now i'm going to rationalize is logically why it is decent choice over the bagel and your rationalizations are based on your beliefs in your temperament minute different than my rationalizations and my beliefs and my temperament and when you talk about the believes this is what's great and this is why love that we had had the opportunity to talk to eric. There is a narrative that you hold about yourself and that decision to have the donut or the bagel either fits in this there or it doesn't fit in this. Let's say janis trying to be kito dragline now that hard decision of bagel doughnut janis like i. I don't want either right because of who johnny is so we're adding another criterion on here which is your personal background and decisions and johnny and i even look at decisions differently this month. We've learned their big decisions and small decisions hard decisions and easy easy decisions and one of those big decisions is whether or not to straighten those crooked teeth in fact teeth move as we age. It's common and it can even impact your hygiene. The decision to straighten that smell doesn't have to be a difficult one because there's candidate the alternative to expensive braces can it makes it clear alternative the braces and they make it easy and affordable to order us candidate has an experienced or is it honest whose license in your state and who can create a treatment plan just for you we swung by their dental office in west hollywood and it was way cooler than any dennis i've ever been to and within minutes. They were scanning our teeth. They even create a three d preview of what the final results are like and a._j. 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Let's let's add another layer on because bagel donut apple those breakfast decisions are a little bit easier than something that has real l. long-term consequences and you could imagine to my family's dismay the wrong decision in that scenario is going to have have social consequences not just health consequences of a bagel versus dona certainly does so when we're talking about decision making we have patterns that have created the ability for our mind to not have to make decisions about everything you could imagine that if if i woke up today and i had to decide whether or not to brush my teeth whether or not to drink a cup of coffee. What was i going to wear. What was i going to start working on. I what my morning a habit and routine would be by lunchtime. I would be just exhausted making decisions did you so i mentioned on the dan ari elliot episode that i had realized in doing the research for the so. I'm not really making any decisions well after a few hours. It's close to about three hours four hours after i wake up so i start making decisions that are going to impact my day upon doing this episode. Did you take notice of when you start actually kicking on on decisions that are going to impact your day so i realized that the even the the decisions i know i shouldn't be making checking my email before my morning cup of coffee so a decision that i would like not to make i i ended up making because of these same patterns that have been built up these teens and that's what we're talking about so and we've heard the classic mark zuckerberg steve job right and we even work with executive clients who do one coaching with johnny and i for a year and one of our recent clients is the c._e._o. And he says his entire job job is to make tough decisions. 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Go to blankets dot com so ash to start your free seven-day trial. That's blinking b. L. i. n. k. i. s. t. dot com slash eo see to start your free seven-day trial. This is what we can do if we're finding ourselves in indecision a lot so if you tend to be a very indecisive person the one thing to look at is what are the patterns and habits and routines that i've built up until this point and are there things that i can do to to take some of those decisions off the plate. There's certainly is whether that's buying seven of the same shirt so in the morning you just go into the closet. You grab the same shirt. You don't have to worry about it. You wash all seven on sunday right back at it or it could be breakfast decisions exercise decisions all of these little decisions and sap our willpower create decision fatigue. Yes and johnny hades and decision as we're going to learn a little bit later this episode why he learns a why he hates indecision. I understand the importance of decisions and iva trying to hone my decision making abilities but one one thing we want to talk about is regret. We had a great discussion about regret with dan arieli and i think this is really what keeps us when we talk about those hard decisions right and yes. There's probably some regret tied to bagel donut but there's a lot more regret tied to p._h._d. Entrepreneur super noor right in terms of decision certainly why because the long term consequences are those and the social repercussions of that decision are a lot greater then what you had for breakfast in the morning now what dan pointed out to us was that regret is when you make a conscious not just choice because then when you're making a conscious choice you can look back and think will was that conscious choice a good one or not right and you can game aim at out and think that oh well there would have been a better outcome. The grass is always greener. That is what's leading to regret so you have to be consciously awoken to the fact that you have a decision to make right and what was his trick. His trick was to avoid indecision attach a timeline to every decision <hes> mhm so that you're forcing yourself to think about that hidden cost which is time okay now when you put a time a timer heimer on it you have since giving yourself a wall so i want you the listeners the to put yourself in this experiment and i want you to think about this so let's say that you have three doors decision door number one number two and number three and you have now you you. You have to make that decision. Of course you don't wanna make the wrong because the weather is. There's consequences to not choosing the right door right now. Every day you look at those three doors and you and you you get flustered about it. You get frustrated and let's just say after looking at it and say oh screw that i'll i'll do it tomorrow and then tomorrow hits and you another day you're looking at all three and you can't really figure it out so maybe put it off again now. You realize because there's there's no deadline to make those decisions. You can continue to push off now. Once we put the deadline on it that that is a a wall that you have to face now every day that you there is in decision on your part that time that that that that you had not made that decision becomes pressure and now that pressure the log you take to make that decision the more pressure. It gets put on you. It's as if you're going under water the father you go down. The more pressured is going to be now for as long as you don't take that decision. Asian time turns the pressure pressure then turns the stress stress now opens you up to immune system problems and cortisol and everything else that goes along with it and and now you have their as health consequences to indecision decision. The sad part is were wired as we heard for indecision because it lowers are perceived risk so subconsciously subconsciously we viewed decisions and the potential for regret as carrying a risk although i will regret leaving graduate school to pursue this i will regret brat letting down my family to pursue a podcast whatever the case may be and what ends up happening. Is that pushes you in an indecisive state so what we're doing here is we're looking at regret and the impact that it has on our decision making abilities and oftentimes regret that is caused by us taking action. It's a conscious decision. I'm going to move in this direction and at some point. You may may think back well. Maybe i should have moved in a different direction and all the what ifs that go along with it but that at least has moved you in in a decisive state. Yes that's where we wanna be. Yes because indecision comes with hidden costs that we struggle to often often realize yes now to go along with this where you're looking at the three doors the minute you choose right. You've alleviated mediated the pressure valve and now as you were talking about decision. You are now in a position to prepare yourself for whatever ever outcome happens from the door that you've chosen you can now prep yourself with without making that decision. You're just getting pressure. Put on you and this is why if you're indecisive especially with a long a large choice such as the one you had this is when you're going to be staring at the ceiling and you're not going to have a moment of ps as always going to be in the back of your mind. You're happiness always has to roll through that were constantly gets invaded aided by that thought of maybe happy now but you haven't made that decision yet. Hey are you gonna make this decision but as you said the minute you choose you are now moving for your now in a decisive role and you can now start working towards the decision now. Let's talk about <music> out the psychological immune system okay so professor dan gilbert and his research showed that there is actually a twist to regret that we need to pay attention to here. Okay we now know that inaction minimal regret action leads to more regret but there's regret in either case and if we 'cause it through something we actively dead and made a choice then that regrets gonna feel stronger. The twist is in dan gilbert was able to show that this is only true in the short term and long term regret that we cause through our actions hurts less because the effects of what gilbert termed the psychological article immune system before we talk about how that works. Let's look at a simple example so say that you have a rundown car that keeps breaking down. You can make the choice to to keep it in every few weeks. Spend money on repairs or you could use your savings to just buy a new one now. Let's say that you decide to take action and and buy that new car but in a few weeks now starts breaking down as often as the previous. Oh boy johnny's getting getting a little stressed already. You'll have a lot of regret for making that choice right. You had a carlos breaking down you spend money and now you have the same result but heading out to the car dealer putting down. Your hard earned money buying that car yes there is regret there that regret is going to be measurably stronger stronger than the one you would have had inaction right if you're sitting in the repair shop again waiting for your old car to get fixed once more and regretting that you didn't buy a new one you're feeling regret but here's what happens over the long term when your brain's psychological immune system kicks it it will work hard to turn turn that regret into a learning lesson so that the next time you spend hard earned money on a car. You'll actually do more research so that you don't end up with the same result. You'll bring a friend along. Who's a mechanic. You'll make sure you buy the extra warranty and so on your brain can actually learn from from this mistake and it transforms that regret into a learning lesson but it only works if that mistake was caused by action we took cook and this is why we hate inaction so much because inaction causes regret and we don't realize that action <unk> action may appear to cause regret too but that regret can be turned into valuable life lessons through action inaction and the regret. That's caused ause by inaction does not lead to lessons. I love this so not only with indecision or are you dealing with stress and pressure and staying awake at night and and dropping your immune system and everything else you are also missing out on a learning opportunity. I mean there is so much to be gained from going forward and it's difficult we all understand because we don't wanna make the wrong choices and the reason being is we are living in such a market norm world is dan arieli was talking with us about <hes> through all the technology that we have and with that it's a lot of ones and zeroes in there are clear right has to choose from but there's not always going to be clear cut right choices and because of that that makes it difficult and the more the more intelligent we are the more variables there's going to be in that and when there is on a clear right decision. This is where people start to break down because it's it's not given to them. It bears repeating that your psychological immune system can't turn one regret from inaction into lessen. The only regret that gets turned into lessons is the regret that comes from action. There's nothing to be learned for the future and nothing to transform your regret into if it's in action in the end our psychological immune system has a hard time time when it tries to find credible and positive views of inaction. I mean no one has ever said. I'm really glad it didn't do anything. I learned so much i love it even ever said that we are always learning from action and as we talked about i would rather live a life filled with lessons lessons filled with regret so i have a saying and i'm sure i've said it on this podcast before but it's one that i live by that has helped me out with this and it is clear with the advantages are and they're they're in these studies and so this saying and i tried to look up where i heard it and see if i could find find a source for an i couldn't it seems to many different people have said it but sometimes there are no right or wrong decisions only decisions you make right and <hes> that saying that bumper sticker so to speak has served me very well because when we go back to the to the door analogy three read ors we don't have any information each either one of those that are going to be a clear cut choice the longer i wait to make this decision the words i'm going going to be even health wise because but the minute i decide i can prepare myself. I can go into it. I know that i'm getting a lesson. I know that i'm going to get a great story to tell my friends about this situation that i put myself in and i'm also gonna get experience points that always transfer to confidence confidence points and none of those things can be taken away. All three of those things make me a better person than when before had made made the decision and so upon understanding that this is led me to to be an you've seen this this in me that i'm a bit brash about things at times because i don't wanna get chew caught up in the weeds when there is there is a direction i and ground to be made on somebody's assists now granted sometimes that's hurt me as well but in a in a healthwise and just feeling ling safe making those decisions blindly but yet looking to get the most out of them as allowed me to feel very good it has certainly made the decision of moving to new york and jumping on board with the art of charm and creating the time with you very easy decision and i think that's the ultimate point. We're trying to make lessons over regrets every day of the week. Everyday i would rather make the decision. Take the action. It leads to a lesson that to allow me to not make the same mistake twice or at least not the third time beyond well. We are a little thick skulled as i'm sure a lot of our listeners now and when we look back at our lives sum total of everything right and we talked a little bit about that harvard study looking at happiness overtime regret on your deathbed around inaction is the single most is the single greatest source of psychological little pain and trauma regret and dwelling on indecision and inaction so for those of you are listening feel like you're indecisive feel like like you've been mulling over decisions and just kicking that can down the road walking by those three doors every day and not choosing one. There is a cost in terms of your life's happiness and fulfilment around the actions you can turn into lessons versus the regret of inaction now. There's another thing that we talked about and that was with eric. Weinstein we talked about opportunity costs <hes> and how they are a pramod her that also often gets overlooked talk about decision making us put simply. These are all the things that you miss out on while you're waiting to make that decision decision so your indecision has another cost associated with it and that's opportunity so let's say you decide you want to lose weight and you're a maximize her like someone who's probably listening to the show. I won't name any names and you know you wanna have the best jim with the best trainers. It has been scientifically proven. Get the best results and blah blah blah blah blah so you do all this research you. You're trying out different gyms. You're going about and three three months into your jim. Discovery journey probably gained a couple pounds because you haven't stuck with anything and you still don't have a gym well that research of reading reviews and trying to figure out what's the closest to your work and your home and the commute and all of that that came with the hidden costs that was the cost of time not spent in the gym the less than perfect gym lifting the weights they would lose the weight for you that cost often gets dismissed but guess what in the end that costs adds up over time that is not something that you shouldn't think about the opportunity cost of indecision asian is often a lot more expensive than we think yeah and it's i think it's difficult for a very conservative thinker to you look at decision and and with all the variables of what they can choose but yet how does that one not play a role. How does the time i am being spat not moving in any direction come into the fold. I know for myself when i realize the time that i had wasted on indecision and direction region was that was one of the reasons i had gotten into self development. I didn't want to be in limbo in life anymore. I was moving into my late twenties and i i just felt that time was slipping through my fingers and i had put a really good foothold in any sort of direction shen music wise i as i had mentioned on this podcast before the industry at around the two thousands was almost unrecognizable of what i had had grown up and wanting to be a part in and so it's like i wanted to get moving. I wanted to get moving. Then and indecision was holding that back and we see it week after week. After week of how many guys come through that there's always a view of them who are indecisive you've and that indecisiveness has held them back in their work held them back in their friendships. It's held them back in their health and dan if you can catch that you have indecision and one area. It's probably in a few on over another areas now. We talked about the time not outspent in the gym working out in your search for the perfect jim but guess what that opportunity costs also means the time you spent researching and reading yelp reviews. You couldn't hang with your friends. You couldn't go on that trip. You couldn't spend a little extra time plan fetch with papers. No you are on the computer on yelp trying to find the perfectly gli located jim that was equidistant between work and home that would guarantee that you got the best calorie burn blah blah blah and these hidden opportunity cost us for a lot of us. Were looking at it the wrong way. We're looking at the downside of a great decision. <hes> we're not thinking about the down downside of indecision and that's why we wanted to bring it up and this is something that for me i really hadn't faced until i became an entrepreneur and one question we get all the time from our clients who have followed the show a little bit know the back story of johnny and i both leaving home leaving our families leaving the path that we thought was the right path for us and the question i always get is how did you make that decision jamaica. How did you decide to leave graduate school and for me in making that decision and the more i thought about it looking back. I looked at the pain long-term of me staying on this path that was in the moment that should be making me happy making me miserable and i'm thinking about is this misery somehow turn around ten years from now twenty years from now or is this misery just gonna continue to persist and when when i took the long view of it right long after my family was disappointed me my friends questioned my sanity and all all of that but maybe twenty thirty years from now yeah adding that calculation in help me make such a big decision career wise. I'm glad you brought that up because one the reason that we get asked that question all the time is there are plenty of people out there who are listening to this show who are unhappy in the career path that they have chosen or that was chosen for them and they're wondering we'll have already spat x. amount of years here so should i just buckle in and just make the most of it one decision war. Do i bust out and pursue what i've always been interested interested in now the other part that we're not talking about that people bring to that equation is they often come to us and look at our success and look at everything that we now and fill like oh these guys have it figured out and i didn't make the decision jumped to new york and land on my feet running a hundred miles an hour with no. I made the decision. The decision came with a lot of lessons right. I went for freedom over having a boss and and following a normal path and along the way i learn lessons about decision making. I learned lessons about my medal. I learn lessons about putting putting in the work and i wouldn't trade any of those lessons now. It's also made me more decisive so if you're listening and you you feel that you're struggling with indecision you can start to move out of a place of indecision by starting to make more decisions you can strengthen your decisive muscles and i would say now having left twelve years ago these big decisions don't stress me as much as it stressed me twelve of years ago you get more comfortable with the whole process and you also get more comfortable with which comes with learning which is embarrassment shame humiliation humiliation over dumb things or decisions that you made but that's okay in the long run. That's that's where the gold is where you're going to be learning and at some point you you take firm for meals like i've been embarrassed another my life what's getting embarrassed even more especially if it's coming with learning and in the path of of me being an entrepreneur in the path of me pursuing something that is going to allow me to feel fulfilled excited every day when i wake up i mean that's an easy decision. What am i thinking about this now. One of my first lessons on opportunity costs my dad so my great uncle <hes> he loved finding the cheapest gas in town and gas prices fluctuate. You know pennies on the gallon alan. I i've been there with people who and know that gas station or look for my dad would crack jokes all the time about the amount of time my my uncle's burning gas paid for to find cheaper gas. I think we all know those people and that opportunity cost is baked into every decision or indecision. We have now what's also tied to opportunity costs and this we were laughing about this on the way over to the studio so we have an uber and this happens occasionally. It was just one of those moments or they driver recognized us from the show and i was like funny enough. We're going to studio. You know we're going to be doing an episode decision making he's like well. I loved your episode on procrastination gas. What for crass the nation creates. It's this exact thing that we're talking about us. It creates opportunity costs and procrastination. Perfectionism are costing you. That's the bottom line. They're costing you time. They're costing you probably financially to for making these decisions and when we start to realize that there are hidden costs and start to pay attention to these hidden costs we can start to move in a direction of becoming more decisive now of course we'd love free to check out episode seven hundred the myth of perfectionism where we talk about this in detail but we want to talk about some of the jani brought up here which is the process over the outcome right right you understand as you start to move in a more decisive manner that strengthening your decision making skills and focusing on the process over the outcome allows you to alleviate against some of that regret that we're feeling now. This is where something you mentioned earlier that i want to make sure that we get to my pet. Peeve of indecision comes in because i had done this work on myself. I did not want to be indecisive anymore. I i saw all the areas in my life that it would that indecision was wreaking havoc and you're not going to get a foothold in life and and with yourself if you're indecisive so i went through the process of getting better at that putting together a narrative that i can now contribute behaviors and actions that are going to support and strengthen and because of the work that i had done the myself indecision is alarm bells in my life when i see other people and it drives me through the roof because i can see all the other damage that it's causing to that partisan and they can't but yet i can't say anything about it because i'm going to be mister high horse or whatever these things as decision making are very innate to us as human beings and we like to think that we have figured out and then for someone to point out such a flaw in your life and how it's herniated ed through other areas that is not nothing new. You are exposed from your buddy. Who's like h look. Check this out. This is why everything in your life is calling the part that is like go there yeah but because i had done the work on is when i see it around me at freaks me out and and and where i see it the most is in music so of all the bands that i'm in the recording process and like any are like a painting you when you're in the studio you can sit there and tweak and rewrite and turn odds for years and it's never going to be done at some point. You have to say hey. This is a perfect picture time and its complete and you have to let it go but i have i. It's just with artists. Some artists can just they cannot let go of. I know we've talked about some of your battles internally in your bands around. What you thought is ready for consumption many many many times over where it advocates me so much where i'll just leave the situation like you know what i'm done. You guys let me know when it's finished and then but yet they want me in the decision in that process and i'm like i'm not going to put myself here and drive myself nuts watching you guys and so they get mad or like oh he. He's too good to be in here and do the work. No the work was already done. What you guys are doing is twisting knobs and be perfectionist and putting expectations through the roof so that you whatever happens here. It's never going to be done and it's never going to be good enough and that is no way to go about something that you put what's so much work in creating got nothing worse than having an archive full of songs that never get heard <hes> now we talked about this with both dan and eric and that is the ideal process versus the the ideal outcome. Those of us who are struggling with indecision are looking for the perfect outcome. We are looking to maximize the outcome. The problem is decision making is not about the optimal outcome. It's about the optimal process. It sounds sounds counterintuitive but look when you search for the ideal outcome. There are a few things that happened the first is you need to be aware that you're always operating with incomplete information. I mean we talked with eric about this exact thing. Even when we think about the truth in our search for the truth we have to think about the source of that information and the bias that they're bringing to the table so we may think after spending two hours on google and if you're johnny on youtube going through every review and every breakdown in every product video that we've somehow magically realize the optimal outcome. You don't have all of that information no in fact. We've heard this time and time again from our clients. They get excited about got a job. Offer job. Offer seems amazing. It's a pay bump. It's new skills and the person who interviews. Them seems like a fantastic boss so they're like oh. This isn't my ideal outcome. This is a no brainer. I'm going to jump ship to this new job. Fast forward a couple of months. That boss has left the company's been bought out and actually what you signed to do is not what they're asking you to do because it's chaos internally now. Obviously we would think well a._j. Did all the research i talked to. Everyone and i had all the information you didn't. There is no ideal outcome. There's always as erick pointed out. There's going to be fog on the decision tree. They're going to be hanging around the corner as he called. We are not able to game the system because it's not a one zero system now. There's also a lot of cognitive kind of distortions. We're dealing with. We talked about them. In both episodes <hes> you're driving across town to find that cheaper gas well now all of a sudden. You're you're gonna be dealing with cognitive distortions these cognitive distortions. We've covered in a few episodes. We don't realize that the decision vision making process is not cut and dry. The best that we can do is make the decision. That's the important process we're looking for. Well in the end through your buys sees and the cognitive distortions and this is what no one wants to hear but it's the truth that decision is going to be made emotionally i yeah and then you're going to use your brain power to rationalize that decision so that you who can logically get comfortable with so you can feel good so you can feel good. You're not offering. Interrail is the cognitive distortions that led you astray. How many people people that we know we see it all the time. When it comes to our camps in the core confidence there are people who loved to think that they or have been able to separate themselves logically and emotionally and i don't care how on the spectrum you are. It's it's ah that you so incredibly wrapped up emotionally and everything is going on and the other thing that is really important as it's difficult to grasp how easily influenced you are and just every all the stimulus around you that is influencing you you all the time and we've just now tried our best to uncover all the spin that's going on and we're still not to the bottom of it. Whether we're being targeted on social media based on our preferences of the data we gave them or were being led astray by the biopsies s. seas of the where we're getting our information we are being spun and we don't even realize we don't even realize it and one of the things that eric eric brought up that i have been thinking about but i never had any context around it and he when he brought it up. I was like well that is a real thing which is the professional aw wrestling spin the the way that they were able to to get these these story lines that are so emotionally originally charged that sucks everybody in for myself. It's just a drama so i can't deal with it. I did you ever have a period in your life or you enjoyed professional wrestling of course yeah so that's that's the fun part for me. That's the funny part for me now now. I i can't even watch it like i. I know it's like going to see a magic show after you've learned all the secrets. Do you have friends who love it absolutely love. It and i do too and i've asked them. I was listening. Don't take offensive. I'm just kinda curious. What is it why and when they explain their attachment to it. It still doesn't work for me and it's it's different strokes for different folks. We all have our what things that we nerd out and however however the lor and its magnitude and its effectiveness is insane it is i can't even put together a good enough word that encapsulates. It's just how influential it is to to everything that's going on so ideal process is more important than ideal income as we said is more important than ideal outcome why the three pitfalls as we said the first is you are always going to have incomplete information. The second is you're probably in your search for the ideal hi deal outcome not taking into consideration your own cognitive biases and we talked about this how much we loved the sam harris interview with daniel adamant about this exact thing because because he has sam asked him point blank has this made you a better decision maker and he said no then that's because just just raising awareness biopsy hi. It's me your immune to it. That is an i was so happy that he was able to admit that because it's that is a difficult thing to admit and it's almost saying that i don't have any control well yes you do and you can be but i think also the more you're willing to admit that you are influence and have these biopsies is when you can actually break free of them a little bit and and use them within within the context of the decision making rather than being completely maneuver by them in the third pitfall of circuiting for your ideal outcome is exactly what we talked about. Dan arieli you will default to no action. Yeah no decision and that's the third hidden pitfall so you're you're always gonna have incomplete information. You're always fighting cognitive biases and oftentimes in your search for ideal outcome. You're gonna end up doing nothing. Which is why we prefer. Are you focused on the ideal decision making process whether that's creating an artificial deadline like we heard from dan you know it's funny. I mentioned that i got engaged and we've started the wedding planning process. Oh yes yes and you know when everything kicked into high gear. When when we finalize the date sure when you create that time line you create a dynamic that forces you to make decisions didn't we can't him and haw about the cater it's happening. We can't heaven haw about the entertainment it's happening so the date created a time line that that allowed us to make more decisions faster. That's why i really enjoy when it's rather than making the right decision. You're making the decision right so you've now chosen. You're gonna put now all of your efforts. Which is your cognitive. Evert's your bias seize your framing naming of the situation. You are now in control of all of that and you can make it your own. How you don't make that decision you you don't have that power and that power is what's going to allow you to derive the most value out of that decision that you could possibly get. I could have said it better. It's that's exactly where we need to be now. The problem with all of this is we are so focused on the outcome now. That's the whole reason we make decisions. It's tough for us to separate out the process but as you start to look at the the process again and again you realize that if you focus and put emphasis on the process decisions become easier and you're searching for ideal outcomes no no longer stresses you out and that's that we talked about the stress that comes along with maximizing with trying to find the perfect solution. The optimal outcome is just not worth worth it and we also need to talk about feedback loops more as eric. Put it the tuition from the market. Okay perfect eric way to put that yeah. You're only gonna learn based on the feedback <hes> there there is no feedback from an action has the same. You've always been getting so in order to improve you need that feedback loop which means you need to start making more your decisions and it's going to start to strengthen your decision making process. This comes back to something where everyone can relate to. This myself included. It's when we we put off decision. Making till certain things are done right and you can always kick the can down the road but at the end of the day that that damage well we've already discussed to your mental. Stability is going to be there and we say oh well. I'll deal with this job situation. After i get the raise where i'll deal with the job situation after <hes> my wife and i quit fighting <music> out deal with this situation after that once again we're we're setting up indecision because of the fear of of making that wrong decision and listen. It's it's they're constantly. I mean even when we took over the show hosts. There is a lot of pushback. You're not going to be able to live up to the old host. You're not going to have a good show. You're not gonna be as confident and guess what we weren't. We didn't have ten plus years experience at the helm being the host but guess what we started to get better when we started hit record. Hopefully those who've been dragging along would agree that we've gotten better but that feedback loop has been important had we sat there and indecision said you know what we're not going to be as good. The show is gonna suck is not going to be fun. You wouldn't be listening. I would be frustrated. We'd be thinking oh man what could have been well. The that feedback loop is some that when eric was talking about it the first thing he asked us. I can't remember if the if the tables rolling or not but he had asked us if we read our comments right yeah and that's a double edged sword of course you want to remove yourself from them because it can just anonymous trolls having at it but at the other side of that is how are you able to look for anything that is helpful in order for you to get better and to his point i laugh when rogan and him are arguing about those comments where he's like. I i liked the reader he's able to remove himself from it but i think it's certainly harsh for anybody to go through a youtube comments hug comments and commodity that any semblance of sanity in direction listen. It's any skill that you're trying to put together whether it's posting podcasts like this. We need to pay attention to the feedback loop or listeners or its decision making that tuition from the market is going to strengthen strengthen that skill for you so understanding that we're not going to become better decision makers by reading all the books by watching every youtube the video is johnny does every single night trying to suss out all the best process you need the experience to allow yourself to get better at decision making and that first decision leaving graduate school those painful decision it was moments of regret there was moments of jubilation but after going through that decision realizing that the downside was not nearly as bad as i thought my family came back around and hopefully if they're listening thing they still love me and also realizing that hey there's a world of opportunity when i've become more decisive right it creates freedom. It creates creates opportunity to be decisive. Many of us are walking around in the indecisive shackles and we're not realizing the hidden opportunity costs being indecisive. We might might be soothing our nerves in the short term but long term. We're creating a load of regret in the decision making there's only so many things that you are actually able to control control and you bring in into that process a bunch of things that you're unable to control it only clouds your attempt to make a quick decision and and get moving now. How do we tie all this together. We've talked about regret coming from an action in regret coming from action. We've also so talked about procrastination and that creates opportunity costs so we want to propose a mindset shift. We want you due to make it a rule to include as many feedback loops as you can into everything you do and how do you include feedback loops <unk> by taking action the more action you take some more feedback. You're going to get the more it's going to be able to guide you onto the right track when you remove the feedback loops and and you remove the action from the equation were going to struggle and as our coach michael says and this is early on in the core confidence program he asks. When did you last fuck cup and it's funny but a lot of people reply. I don't yeah you sit there and go. What do you mean but look that's more of a curse in disguise than a blessing to say i i don't fuck up is not a blessing not where you want to be and you need to ask yourself. Why am i not making mistakes not the problem. Is it because you always get everything right on the first. Try i doubt it or is it because well. You're not really putting your neck out there. You're not really stepping into the arena well. That's where life comes in a vibrant and joyful an interesting life is riddled with mistakes and wrong decisions because you're outside of your comfort zone going forward in uncharted territory making news stories. If you don't want to make mistakes and you're i'm just going to sit home and do nothing and for everyone who's who likes it thick well. I'm boring okay. That's an ease. That's first of all that's that's a choice in itself to be bored in this day and age and that's an easily rectified asian plenty of information for you their failure whether it's in the decision making process or in life in general is a part of the equation and when you you say i haven't made mistakes. I don't make mistakes. I don't fuck up. I don't fail your telling us that you're not trying and we would rather you shifts to taking action going after the tuition from the market and getting it sooner rather than later because guess what tuition goes up and as we know recently recently tuitions rising faster than inflation that market tuition of indecision leads to greater tuition on the whole when you finally enter enter the market as we've found you do get better. You get better with decision making you get better with hosting podcasts. You get better the more action action you take you don't get better through indecision and inaction and here's the the bottom line the decisions that matter and are are important to us. Are the decisions we care about. If you decision wasn't important you you wouldn't care. We wouldn't be doing podcast about that decision and it might sound obvious obvious i but think about that for a second. The reason that we put so much effort into the decisions that we make is that we really care about the outcome. If view didn't care about your health. Well wouldn't bother finding the right jim figuring out the right thing to eat. If you didn't care about your relationships well you wouldn't worry about finding a partner trying to get engaged and if you didn't care about your purpose or taking care of your family then finding the perfect job really wouldn't be an issue for you and dr steven even hayes and us discuss this at length crave in our episodes seven fifty four y craving pain human in situations. What's that matter they matter because we care and it's okay to care about the outcome but we want you to focus on the process and the more you focus on the process process the better the outcomes become so here's our challenge for you this week and it's a bit of a scary one find an area of your life that you are currently working on and ask yourself about how you can double or even triple the amount of feedback that you're getting remember acquiring. Knowledge is only only part of the equation. The other is getting the tuition from the market that feedback to course correct to accelerate the process. Let us know we're always excited to hear from you about these challenges. You can send us your thoughts by going to the art of charm dot com slash questions you can also email us at questions at the art of charm dot dot com or find us on social media at the art of charm and we've got a few shout outs this week first off thanks to our uber driver soon who got us here yeah time to record this enjoying the show hope. You enjoyed this decision making episode. We also got a shout out here to rachel hickam. She wrote in that. She has been listening to the podcast podcast for three years now. I can't tell you how many episodes that she listened to that pointed to the fact that she was not in a good relationship and should get out getting out of that relationship was the easy easy part staying out of the relationship was in is the most difficult part but we share a child and i continue to have interact with them and he could be very persuasive but i'm sticking to my decision this experience teaching me to have a backbone into be my own person. I couldn't be happier with my new life with gratitude for all that you do last shout out here. Roommate talks check him out my roommate and i listened to the podcast for a little while now and we decided that we want to to start our own show our eight talks or roommate talks as they're calling it just like y'all to best buds sprang words of wisdom fitness creativity and fund for college. We figured that we could apart what we've learned in last year's of college to others like us. Their motto is a podcast by college kids for college kids so check them out. They're currently on all of your streaming. Platforms including spotify roommate talks shout out to you all. I'm so happy that we're helping our listeners. Make big decisions decisions huge changes in their life and have some fun starting a podcast absolutely amazing is that and i just want us my heart also. Could you do us in the entire term team a big favor. That's right. We need help with the feedback loops. Absolutely we appreciate and read all those feedback loops. Could you go over to i tunes and rate this podcast. Hi cast it would really mean the world has the charm podcast is produced by chris and michael herald an engineer by danny louver and bradley cast media serious and sunny down ali. Would i'm johnny. I'm jay. We'll see you next week <music> nope.

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Jay-Z Jealousy, Matt Shuts It Down & Clare's House of Hotties  Nightly Pop 07/16/2020

Nightly Pop

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Jay-Z Jealousy, Matt Shuts It Down & Clare's House of Hotties Nightly Pop 07/16/2020

"Hey Guys Justin Sylvester from news here, looking for a new way to stream, will meet peacock, the free streaming service from NBC universal with tons of movies and shows plus a daily dose of News, sports and pop culture. There's something for everybody and best of all you can watch for free or upgrade for more. Who doesn't like that, so go to Picot. TV Dot Com and start streaming now personally. I can't wait to get into that law and order Svu. Vote you know I'm a fiend for. Tonight pop working is still outspoken. The Sun up her vacation, so we have the very funny finesse Mitchell back joining us. Joining us again. Thank used. Here to I'll you know what me just been hearing city I? I wanted to dress up a little bit for. The T shirt on I feel like. On a second layer. Addressed it a bit you to me? You gotta have a dime an airing a haunting you gotta. OKAY WHATEVER ANYWAY OUR FIRST STORY! We're GONNA. Throw it back to jaising beyond plays relationship before when they'll in the elevator because Houston Rapper Bun B claims that he was kicked off the set of beyonce's check on it. Music video now was apparently dancing around and short skirt, skimpy outfits and Says Jay Z was not comfortable. He revealed on the nostalgia mix tape podcast that holds it called one of beyonce's assistance who then allegedly carried out his orders to clear all men from the set? Are you shocked to hear this? Do you feel Gysi was being a little overprotective I'm shocked to hear just because that's the opposite of how I would act if fiance was my partner. Like everybody, all these cool guys get in here. Check out how great she is the dancer. Check this out that she's in. How how lucky am I I'd be? I'd be more showing off. You know nothing about the community. And that is the. Way. People look at me and go. That guy knows about the hypocrisy's. Very naive answer, even bombie himself said Okay and he left because he totally understood. You WanNa know why because Bombay doesn't even trust me, so he totally understood dates. was onset, but means wife was on that. And this the thing like this is. He knew he was getting involved with someone else in the music industry. He knew he was getting involved with someone who was successful was going to have to do. Music Videos and tours, and also Jay Z has the skimpy women in his videos he's had. Women in hot tubs. Women dance flipping around all around him. So this to me if it is true, because this is only from be is was very insecure on his part in this was way back then, but I just feel like if it was good for the Goose Gander, I? Do think that like there are people out there. Men and women who like a partner who kind of has that controlling vibe I don't get it personally. Maybe on to actually was flattered that Jay Z did that I thought that's coming from a toxic place. Like even if you're saying that you, you know you want that I just feel like. Like as as a businesswoman, you should be able to conduct yourself and your partner should trust you that this is a this is fantasy. This isn't a real thing. He had his wife there. This is a business transaction assistance. We're their camera people. If this is a true story, this really shows like what Growth Jay Z. has gone through from then to now because that type of behavior was completely toxic, I think of the I think Jay Z. Trust beyond, say one hundred percent. I think he doesn't trust all the guys out there watching I. Don't know I just don't agree with someone coming in and taking charge she was. Was Not even involved in the project so I guess we will all have to agree to disagree on that. Making all of this Jealous Matt Damon made quite a scene that's shutting down an entire street and Brooklyn Heights Tuesday, so he could movement to his sixteen point five million dollar penthouse now even had this enormous crane to lift its furniture and trees onto his tears. Now this is all cording to pay six now. If you guys were a neighbor of Matt Damon's. Would you be pissed? He was your neighbor, or would you not bothered by? This now wouldn't be bothered I mean if you're GonNa lie to you got to. To move in you know what I'm saying, so how you GONNA move into cars, going up and down the street, and you actually need a crane to move your furniture into your been house, so I think he did the right thing by shutting down the street for a day at this move into more than one day as an inconvenient thing, everybody I'm Pro Damon Onus Finesse. You've got an interesting perspective on this thinking that like one day of shutting down an entire New York street. That's acceptable, but anything more than twitter. It's twenty five hours I word of God. We're GONNA show Matt. Damon I to me shut treated. That's a little bit annoying. Yeah, but there's so many things in life that are annoying that do not deserve an article written about them like it's just it's a moving. Can you guys even talking about this is in Brooklyn? Like this is not okay like this, please John Definitely especially during a pandemic where people aren't getting work where there are so many people who are struggling to get by, and now you've got this do shutting. Isn't. Exactly. Dammit Nina there's no one supposed to be out on the street. Hey, this was the perfect time to do. Use the crane who is still have to work during a pandemic. especially I I don't know if you've got the part about essential workers. To work. They can go back and think about like this. There is one of the hardest jobs in the world right now. The nurses out there all the essential workers think about this. They get to see Matt Damon's trees being craned up to his penthouse kind of a nice little. Perk on your way to work in my opinion. June, pandemic around. Block I I wanted to get some tone-deaf lessons and enroll the two of you. Online class I, expect to see you there at eight am tomorrow morning, but let's move on to. After sarcasm lesson. From. What is the one who's been accused? Of being a little tone, deaf themselves along with Hunter Gwyneth paltrow shared on her website, the back to basics diet that she's following while she's on lockdown. So what is when its definition of basic? We'll in her words. It's vetik eating for my Dosa. Intermittent fasting and it's fresh clean nutrient dense foods. So that's what apparently Gwyneth is ingesting. You know simple stuff. Do you guys think that this is practical? It's a lot of like wealthy people. They liked doing things that just have an effect on the body or an effect. That's just very basic, and then they go. How can I tie this into something spiritual? How can I tie this into something? That's got culture like. Medicine or Doshi Shia because in my life. I don't have a lot of culture as a rich celebrity who lives in my own bubble, and so you kind of try and inject culture wherever you can, which is why they do these things in my opinion. Allegedly and I've also made some. Dietary switches switch a ruse I left peanut butter, Cap'n crunch and went straight to golden grams. So you know the top of my mouth feels better because about cap in Cranston sometimes group up to top of your mouth and just look sacrifices. You have to make him get your body right. So apparently like the science behind Veda is that it's built behind like the five elements of? Air Water and fired so that's apparently supposed to help get. You'd be healthiest I. Don't know how you feel about that. I. Know Right I'd rather want to episode of Captain Plan on it just reminded me up right there. He. Your Your Life is interesting, and then you have the taste buds of a nine year old, and you also have the TV taste of an ideal and I love it I finally. Someone on the show I can relate to I. Can Ask you guys. Let's talk about ABC right now, so ABC has just announced a new backs of bachelors for Clare. Quality season now clear is the oldest Bachelorette at thirty nine, and the men range from twenty five to forty skewing older than her previous castle few potentials. Jeremy is the only guy who's actually in his forties. He's from Virginia Beach Kenny thirty nine. He's from Illinois and there are thirty eight year old Mike from Canada and Jay from Pennsylvania and. And now the youngest bachelor is Noah at twenty five from Oklahoma. So do you think he even has a shot I'm team. No as a matter of fact, saying you know, I won't Die Young Stallion we meet up date young thirty nine year, old woman, and put some years on her life Noemi I. Don't think she should go with another thirty nine year old forty year old. Do why you going on TV and meet somebody your age. That's not fun. Okay I. Guess, that is a good point. If you're going to get famous age, age is really just like. In my in my mind, find someone who's got the same level of experiences you the same level of wisdom, the same level of life, but the actual number especially when you're in your thirties, and you pick someone in their twenty s or in their forties. Do what you want Claire I think. May I wonder if she's a little bum that they recast with all these older guys I wonder if she's like no, no, no, no, I said. Twenty two twenty two love to have had a guy in his mid forties, and maybe even one in his early fifties. To see that and give her all of the options, and then the funnest part is watching everybody in the same house together and how they interact and I feel like these big ages gaps actually would have led to a little bit more drama, but who she picks his her business if she wants hot, tend to get one. I'm not mad. Do we have to watch and see what you guys listen? After the break, the stars on blast for being bad tippers plus Kylie's man is being called out for ghosting again. All right welcome back a now former restaurant hostess from new. York has blown up on over eleven million views for her candidate rating of celebrities that she had to deal with at a high end Manhattan restaurant. The Hood Dude Sisters. These two are literally so nice. I cannot say enough things about them. They're super friendly with staff, which unfortunately is rare for celebrities ten out of ten except we have Mrs Bieber. This is going to be controversial. I've met her a handful of times and every time. She was not Nice I. Really WanNa like it the I to give her like. Five on ten sorely. Next Kylie she was fine, but she took twenty dollars on a five hundred dollar dinner bill. Do that information you will. For that and giving her a two time. And before we get into this the network, so we got it say that the Jenner Story Kylie. Doubt it. She's the greatest person listen, but is a celebrity under tipping especially twenty dollars on a five hundred dollar bill. Is there any excuse for that? Even if the service is bad? No I. Don't think there's an excuse for that because it depends on the restaurant because I think some restaurants, they split tips. Some of it doesn't always go directly to the server like some of it can go to always staff like they all split up, but five hundred dollar bill. You don't Twenty Bucks A. Kinda nothing so I I just feel like when you're a celebrity, you have to tip well in a sense like complain. If the services bad like you still should be tipping thing on this story that was Haley Barbour went into the comments of the girl who posted this and apologized to her, and said you know it was never her intention to ever be rude. She hopes she can run into her again, so she can apologize person, so it sounds like. Maybe it's just a miscommunication. Sounds like Haley was a bad girl until she got good Boy Justin Bieber to influence her life in a positive way I think everybody in this room has been ghosts at some point in their life, and it's always really really sad, but nothing is more sad than the true fact that t pain was set to work with Travis Scott, but Travis never showed up. Boom seventeen comes around. I'll tell you what instagram twitter facebook. TIKTOK. Everything fully active whole time. As, he was playing a fortnight. Nothing can't get a response. Even hit him up on private chat on for night. No big deal nothing out. That's not to blame for night. Bro, that's not you play in your your fortnight account. Cool totally fine that that's cool. I'm so. He ghosted, but Travis had him rent multiple, five hundred and forty dollars speakers for at least four to five days, so he was basically out at least a thousand dollars a day because Travis did not show up and record. Is this awful? Is there any excuse? There's certain there's a certain level of respect and around community and t pain is no slash. t pain is a is a whole G. Lease opposed to send that manner text message. Not have that man waste. It's time or his studio money on you. You're not going to show up and it's hard to disappear. It's hard to disappear nowadays. You can't go ghost because it's so much social media people can find grown. A now, this is another one of those stories and we talk about where I'm bummed here that I just feel like this is not a fan. This is somebody that you you're supposed to be working with. This is also another rapper like you know you. Can you make it fine? Everything's happened, but just give them a heads up. You have assistance like somebody half store because somebody call. Like, you know it's just not cool to just dip out. I agree like throw some respect on pains. Name like he's done a lot in this industry and you know. Don't don't do him like that. Yeah I. Think a lot of people know travis as the super popular musician. Probably a lot of people who watch e might only know him as Kylie's baby, daddy x, and maybe as a musician, but he's one of the most sought after producers, so he could have that kind of like young Kinda Ego right now, which only comes back to bite in the, but like you gotta get. Get over yourself a little bit especially when you're working with other people who are excited to work with you just be nice learning to move on from this bad energy. We're going to go on to a couple of good stories presented by at and T. Five G. two year old. Brody Alexander Aka tiny Hawk is going viral for his skateboarding skills on which he spends five a day. This baby skaters only two years and four months. Pretty Guess Q. I can't believe to. That much I know. My daughter's to in all. She wants his French fries so I can't even imagine the type of work. It tastes to make sure this guy is not only say but look how good he is two years. Yeah. My Age! No I can't do that either now to five hours on escape Skateboard Day. That's five more hours than Travis. Scott spent with t pain so A. Lot of time and speaking of impressive skills. This kid asked the clerk at an. Shop if he could play the piano. And when the shop owners saw video, he knew he had to actually give him the instruments, and now they're looking for him. Own. That was me. That was me. Another guy was looking for me. I will be covered. By, but I. was. African American male with Nice Arms. That is mutually. Back you up, you know I guess you that piano. WE'RE GONNA wind up the shut down your block if that's okay with Nina to get that piano into your house, but. Good Lot okay coming up the worst thing to over here next. All right welcome back now since it's almost the weekend and some of you may get a little freaky hunter I think we only need a little help from our segments. Close attention okay so I. Didn't use. It was having some issues with her boyfriend. WHO PREFERS TO WATCH PORN? Instead of actually getting on with her, so this made her feel insecure, so he promised to stop watching, but now he has confessed to using read. It links so that she won't find out now. She doesn't know if she can trust him. What do you guys think she should do? The problem is and I think we may have talked about this. A meet me opening up to you I think porn is really bad for most people I think. It's an unhealthy things. Because you're referencing all. You're saying Nina. You were saying we could make a ton of money on the side with an only fans and I was basically saying it's not healthy. But. Chill I. DO think that because I. Think a lot of guys especially now that it's becoming like you know now there's a billion porn videos on whatever you like. It becomes hard to then stick with one person for the rest of your life without any sort of variety these are that's plans you're using. These are unintentional, these unintentional plans. Talk with them and say hey. Cut Down on the porn. I. Actually having a bro Code issue now he writes I had sex with my best friend's ex girlfriends, and now he's coming over to play video games tonight. How do I tell him now? He says his best friend used to date her and high school, which was four years ago and after they broke up the all lost contact, but recently they decided to meet up. One thing led to another in the ended up having sex. Right did you save four years ago? Yes way past the statute of limitations. He's three and clear when. She was my ex. My ex and I have no desire to get back with her. And my my boy hooks with her, and he decides to tell them you're not telling me I'm cool. It'd be taught me tells me say Oh man. That's cool I would not mind like if I lost contact. They slept with them. It's not a huge deal whatever and then I get to make the decision I want them to tell me and I would tell them. You want to know though I'd want to know. Because then it's probably not a big deal, but if I find out, and you didn't tell me, it's inevitably a big deal because it's. Trust. Finally for those of you who are looking to start dating during the pandemic this question, get straight to the point. That guy posted for those that Hook Up. What kind of dates usually two sex after the first state well? Nina I'm not the type of guy. That just hooks up I'm kind of a relationship guy. I like then something match remonial even if it isn't for the paperwork. So personally I might have to step out of my own body for this and say if you make them dinner Yardeni. In the house, that's one thing, but if you take them away from any sort of sexual inclinations, things that make them feel like Oh, this is just a sexual date. It almost builds intrigued more so I think that's a good strategy for someone other than me. That's what you think. If you date someone in this a all day date meaning you guys went to the park or theme park Oh you went to the beach or wherever you live, and then you had food after that, and then you laid on the couch and watch the movie and then start fooling around in that led to sex to me. That's totally understandable and. Accept Your theory is to like. Make the really long absolutely, so it's like three dates in one day. Exactly this is basically my time seem easy. Data. We want a woman's perspective. I think that it doesn't matter how long the date is. If a woman wants to sleep with you, she knows she goes on a date with you, so she goes on the day. Yeah, I think if a woman wants to sleep with you, you only thing that's going to happen is during that day. You talk yourself out of the coochie acting like an ass. I was generated. Say that name. Thank you for joining us once again. It was a lot of. Hundred. You guys for having me Golden. Monday and more than what we back to buy.

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Can Amazon Reinvent the Traditional Supermarket?

Knowledge@Wharton

24:17 min | 1 year ago

Can Amazon Reinvent the Traditional Supermarket?

"Podcast is brought to you by knowledge award. Two years ago Amazon entered the grocery field with its purchase of whole foods. Now, the Wall Street Journal reporting that the ecommerce giant is planning to launch urban grocery store separate from the whole foods chain, perhaps even by the end of the year. If these stores are open include beauty products, among other goods one way, these stores could be different from whole foods is pricing for years. The high end chain has had the nickname whole paycheck, and that only briefly seemed to change Amazon took it over. So what kind of threat do these urban stores present other retailers of why would Amazon want to expand in this manner? We discussed this with Barbara Kahn marketing professor here at the word in school. And also Mark Owen director of retail studies at Columbia University's graduate school of business. Great SIA barber. Margaret, Debbie back with us how everybody thank you. So I mean, you have followed Amazon you have seen the the Amazon go stores that they have. Put in this idea playing I guess playing off of of whole foods. What were your thoughts? Well, you know, when you look at when Amazon opens their own stores rather than taking over something like whole foods what they what they really emphasize is low price in convenience. So if you look at their bookstores, Amazon go or something like that, they're fine stores. They're not beautiful stores. But they're the Khanda stories. You can get what you want at a cheap price and fast inconvenient. They also serve as mechanisms for them to collect data. And so when you go into Amazon store, you have to log in with your app and everything you do in that store is then connected with everything online. So it makes a lot of sense. I think in terms of customer value cuss in food food is, you know, it's not something you love to shop for so it's cheap and easy. That's a very strong customer proposition. So that makes a lot of sense from a customer point of view from Amazon's point of view their game is data and they need to have frequency. What's really? Attractive grocery is not it's not really the margin. It's the traffic is that you shop so often. So from Amazon's overall strategy it make sense from a customer perspective. It makes sense. I think it was a natural next step. Mark. Agree with everything Barbour just said, but I want to add another wrinkle to the mix if you will Amazon's got a fundamental barrier to it's organic growth if you will. And that is that there are quite a few customers, maybe millions of customers who can't participate in ecommerce either outright or who find it inconvenient. And that's largely because they don't have a place a package can be delivered. Because no one's home and they're not comfortable or or an any way willing to have something left on a doorstep. And so, you know, the UPS person shows up with the sticker on their door, and they have to schedule another delivery or they have to go pick their package up. So I think that this hearkens back to the days when the Sears Roebuck, Sears, Canada operated. Var scale nationwide director. Consumer catalog businesses. And in fact, had thousands and thousands of pickup locations throughout all their marketplaces. In addition to their stores so in serious Tanta than Li populated country. You could order something and have it delivered to a local dry cleaner or a local drugstore or local grocery store in lieu of having the package actually dropped at your resonance. So I think this this idea of creating a chain of convenience stores, grocery convenience stores not elevated in price or in presentation like whole foods, but ubiquitous could be the basis of this kind of network of delivery. And of course, returns customers, and there's a second element there, quite a few customers, certainly in the United States who can't transact through the internet because they don't have credit cards. They either don't have them. They can't get them or they have them and don't want to use them. And so having a network of locally convenience places with which to interact with those customers like an Amazon grocery convenience store that will accept cash. Remember back in the days, it was referred to as cash on delivery. But that will accept cash as a form of tender would give them access to an enormous number of customers who very well might wanna do business with Amazon, but who can't at the moment. So then assuming they move forward with this barb with this idea, what should it consumer expect to see in an Amazon grocery store, and what size are we looking at. Yeah. I don't know the size per se. But it sounds like they're going to pick up existing grocery chains that are around now. And by though, so I would assume the normal size of neighborhood grocery stores, basically what they're looking at. And if you look at Amazon bookstores Amazon four-star stores, Amazon go you'll see what I see when I look at those stores. They're not they're not beautiful store. So it's it's really it's really convenient. But what's interesting about it is from the customer. View. So they have tons of data. So they can make sure the inventory in the store meets the needs of that particular neighborhood. They can also set up the store. So it's convenient to go in and out tip all fashioned grocery stores. We all know put the milk in the back of the store. So you'd spend more time in the store. That's not going to be Jeff Bezos idea Jeff visas ideas, let us design the store, so you can find what you want fastest you need to find it and get in and out of there. And so it will be interesting to see what the stores looked like in terms of how it's laid out because I bet once they start working on it and use their data. They will change things that make sense from the customer perspective. So that's going to be pretty cool to see. I would imagine market some point their hope is is to be able to to bring all of this data together. So that they can potentially enhance Amazon prime as well. Well, you know, Amazon is proof positive of the value of big data and the way in which collected in the way in which you Zammit and use it. It's not really a new idea, you know, seven eleven has enterprise wide systems that enable them to manipulate modify and not modify their sorts to be extremely relevant and also extremely efficient. So that not only is the right brand on the right shelf in the right depth. But it's, but it's a place in the store where customers expect to find it. So you would expect anything Amazon would do in any format would be built upon this. Tremendous capacity. They have to gather and analyze understanding us. What customers are saying to them every day? Of course, the more closely aligned they get through there. Air prime customer. The more tightly bound they are to those prime customers. But I, but I have I again, I don't want to overplay what I said earlier, but this business that purportedly about to go into is a very thin margin Magnusson, though, Amazon doesn't have issues within margin businesses. And the fact is they've you that as an opportunity in many cases, it's ruthlessly price competitive. There's no price premium possible outside of a whole foods if you will and and whole foods is not likely to succeed by suddenly become more expensive again. And so so at the end of the day, I think this is creating more and more of a fishing connection to customers, especially those who they're not doing business with who would like to do business with them. I know than New York City, you know, I've got quite a few students they live in buildings without doormen or security rooms. And you know, they struggle with where am I gonna get my package delivered, you know? And and and so these these are consumers who don't do any brick and mortar business if they can avoid it. They they I think have petitioned to ask the school to allow them to have package delivered packages delivered to the school on their behalf which I don't think they've gotten a green light on. But they are they are not only Amazon prime customers. They are. They are the center of the bullseye Fram is on. You know, and yet there's an element of their lifestyle in the way. So I just wanna comment on things that you said, I think are interesting and just take it a little further. See what you think about this? The first thing is on the delivery system what you're saying. And there are different ways. They can do that. They obviously have Amazon lockers, the grocery store could definitely be a place like that here in our Penn campus. I guess not on Columbia. We have an Amazon pickup Steuer, and we have an Amazon pickup store. Very I live in the city closest school. So there's another one right there. So that need for urban consumers, very strong, and they're all turn it their different ways to get at that need. But I agree that's a need. And I think it brings up to issues, and I want to bring up that issue. And then I wanna bring up the pricing issue that you mentioned 'cause I -gree with that too. So one of the things I think that's interesting about Amazon, unlike say, a WalMart, WalMart is operatives operationally excellent. They are a logistic supply chain your Astor. And like you said there's not a lot of margin in grocery in the way wall. Mart made it makes sense was to reduce costs. Now, what Amazon's delivery system, and for the reasons you're saying that's not a cost efficient way to deliver groceries. It's not cost efficient to deliver to that last mile until let everybody get whatever syncretic bundle of goods that they have. And that's not the way WalMart, you know, looking at this convenience model. So I think what Amazon is doing fundamentally changing the distribution channel by developing the distribution centers. And like you're saying pickup centers, they need it because their model is so different from typical operationally excellent grocery business. So that's one point. And I agree that they need the pickup. It's because they've changed the model. The second thing I think is really interesting about what you're saying about pricing is that absolutely. They want to manage the price and they want to manage the margin. Now, if you go into their bookstore or you go in Amazon four store or Amazon, go the way, they play with pricing dynamic so like in the Amazon forceful. The prices digital price and what's shown in that stores. The same price that they're featuring on their website, and it can change as things happen. Similarly with the bookstore. The price is not listed on the book. You have to open up your app in the prices going to be listed in that app. Which means they can they can set different prices for Emma's on prime versus not Amazon prime. So I think in both those ways, you know, those are two of the four piece p price and place Amazon's redefining the model, Mark, I agree. I agree. You know, they don't have forty five hundred stores. That's WalMart's claim to fame, but you know, ninety percents of American consumers are within a few miles of store. This isn't just an urban challenge. There. Plenty of suburban communities where people really don't want packages left on their door. No one's come up with an alternative. Delivery system in the form of a an oversize mailbox that whoever's delivering Amazon if it's not Amazon themselves can drop the package off and take from that mailbox return. I think that may very well emerge the Amazon locker concept has been kind of a mixed bag in terms of its availability. The very aggressive in trying to place those lockers throughout the realm. Many many stores just don't have a room for them and some don't really want Amazon delivering through a locker things they're trying to sell on the in in their own right to their customers. So they're not likely to convince target install Amazon locker, Shirley. I'm kind of an incredible combination. Occurs to do it. Well, they got they got cold to do it. It remains to be seen. Whether that's going to be a long-term already pulling them out. I yeah. I think they announced you know, they're removing all the pop ups to include. Yeah. But Mark having having these stores, these grocery stores this size would potentially eliminate some of that issue. Correct. Well, I keep harkening back to the original catalog model and when I was up in Canada. I was absolutely amazed. We had something like twenty six or twenty seven hundred of these pickup locations above and beyond our actual stores and other facilities and they were local merchants. And they ran the gamut literally from dry cleaners drugstores grocery stores gasoline stations. The the the the owner manager of the store received a commission it drove traffic to their store. So they felt it. It was a value to them. It was something located as conveniently as possible to the community that the company was trying to serve that it didn't or couldn't deliver directly. These had been in business for many many many years the folks who manage these these mom and pops often thought of themselves as Sears affiliates. There was a tremendous element of customer service involved and personality to their engagement we customers, and so it was a very successful model that ran forever Canada. And only ended US when the the the US company pulled out of the catalog business. I think it's going to be a long long time before drones are dropping packages into customers outstretched arms, and even then that's probably just not viable in urban areas. If you will. And then of course, there's this issue of cash. Yeah. You know, the whole world is going cashless for a whole variety of very good reasons except here in Philadelphia, Mark. I know I know I read about that. And and it's a pallet. He's are in my opinion, correctly beginning to push back because it it this. It disadvantages large numbers of customers. It's. A form of prejudicial engagement, if you will if it's not intended to be that's what actually becomes. And so how does Amazon do business where the customer who would love to be an Amazon shopper, but hat or doesn't want to transact via credit card. Well, these convenience stores in Canada, so credit cards or cash. Yeah. You know, caches nasty in terms of its management requirements the issue surrounding accounting and security, but it is the age old tender, and I think there's gonna be a wave of action like what's happening in Philadelphia for good reason. And and so what does them on do how do they deal with that? Well, they could potentially deal with that by having these stores, literally accept cash and Lou of. Expense. Well, yeah. And the and the Philadelphia example, obviously playing out for those people that are no the city passed an ordinance recently that is basically banning cashless stores with a couple of exceptions garages being one of them. And that has drawn Barbara a lot of attention here in in Philadelphia now around the country as to how this is impacting this push this want to try and see if cashless is the way to go moving forward their lot, you know, like when I went to Africa over the summer, and they've kind of leapfrogged us now, and there's people there that don't have a lot of money. But that's that really is a head of us as China in terms of using this cashless ways of paying I wanted to change the subject though, I think that those are really good points. But I just wanted to introduce them other things in one of the things that I think is interesting is to see what happens to see PG or consumer packaged goods is Amazon gets more power. Because one of the other announcements that was in the. Pressed about Amazon was that they stopped. They're insisting that sellers on their marketplace only sell that low price they stopped the some of their tactics about controlling price. We know consumer packaged goods have been some of them really big brands seeing losses in market share as Amazon gets more power in the grocery business. You know, what is that going to mean for bands like Kellogg's and crafts cetera? And if there's no antitrust against Amazon, and that's a whole other issue. Amazon has incredible power and the more that they lock people up in this prime universe of the Amazon prime universe with grocery and apparel and everything else. But he's buying everything within Amazon that gives Addison way more power with regard to see PG. And it'll really be interesting to see what happens under those dynamics if this Amazon grocery stuff, really takes off Mark. Well, it's it's it's great that you brought that up are. I think the announcement. They made is fascinating. First of all, I think it's motivated by the fact that they that they Amazon feel like they are walking around with a target on their back. That's that's coming off of the rhetoric coming from not just the president of the United States. But but this wave of liberal candidates coming out of the Democratic Party who are calling for Amazon another's to be broken up who are using Amazon as an example of all things that are bad about income, inequality cetera et cetera. So I think that they are taking a look at a an issue of policy that could become a target of opportunity based on antitrust consideration, which is to say their policy of demanding that anyone selling them a product on the Amazon site may not sell that product on their own site at a lower price. So they could probably argue that they have every right to be able to do that. But they probably don't wanna have to try to defend that argument, and and expose themselves to the notoriety around this monopoly. That's submerged. So I think they made a legal calculation a pragmatic calculation. My guess is if they're doing business on their site with a brand who is now free to price that same product at a lower price. They'll probably stop doing business with that product on their own sites. So we'll have to wait and see how that place as far as power marketplace authority. They're they're just gonna be like WalMart has always been for many many years a force of nature in the in the community, WalMart has dictated to virtually all of its suppliers certainly the CPG community the terms. Under which the products are going to be packaged packed shipped and sold and on a defacto basis at what price right? So so so the winner and all of this is ultimately, the consumer, but the politicians are potentially going to have a field day with this Amazon is somewhat protected by the fact that they tend to to lower prices rather than raise them as opposed to some of the companies who've gotten caught up in price fixing over the years or allegations of attempts to on fairly raise prices are. I wonder I don't know if you seen the infamous gut Galloway, he he native a brass prediction for twenty nineteen Amazon was gonna a head of the antitrust police get rid of Amazon AWS separate out AWS. Now, a lot of people think. That's crazy because they w us is obviously generating the property Rams on and they can't do it without it. But Scott Galloway came out and said, I believe I have this. Right. That's that's a prediction. He's the one who famously said Amazon was going to buy whole foods. And his prediction is I understand it for twenty nineteen is that Amazon is going to be a head of all the people chasing after him and get rid of AWS. I can't imagine how Amazon can work without AWS and still have the powered has. So we'll see if that prediction comes through. But for sure the politicians, President Trump etcetera are out and thinking about the power that Amazon has a normal. Mark. Let me let me finish up by asking you this because I mentioned at the top. Obviously that a lot of people. I think are wondering how this potential move by Amazon to to have their own grocery stores or by regional change chains plays because of the purchase of whole foods a year and a half ago. How how do you think those two dynamics work together moving forward? Well. Amazon Amazon entered the grocery pool from the shallow end by making an investment. They were completely capable of making it whole foods business that had grown that had become stuck. If you will in terms of market share that had tremendous reputation and also had a tremendous actual or or logically to expected overlap with their prime customer. So so they were in the food business before they bought whole foods. This gave them a brick and mortar platform to further understand the the dynamics of grocery and what it tells them. I don't think they discovered this. I think they expected this is that there there isn't a place in the marketplace for thousands and thousands and thousands of whole foods stores foods is now constituted. Yes. So they then they've gotten a bead on the. The internal machinations of running low margin business, right right from pricing logistics store management at cetera. I think the doing the same thing as a sidebar, by the way in their purchase of pill pack, right? Exactly. Yeah. I think that's something. A lot of people aren't really talking about right now. But I think that's potentially as powerful if not more powerful than what we're talking about. With regard to convenience and grocery Mark. Thanks very much for giving us your time. Today, Barbara great seeing him. Thanks for more insight from knowledge Warton, please. Visit knowledge dot Morton dot U, Penn dot EDU.

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5/13/20: THE RIGHT WAY TO BOIL A FROG

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5/13/20: THE RIGHT WAY TO BOIL A FROG

"This is the president of the United States. Post this? Cavern look behind you. How did you get? All the time. Every day. There is nothing. Posture this number? Breeze! Behind you. Monsters in the Oval Office. Woke up and said. Speaker spoke up and said. Moved off. Change. Talk. TAP. Lewis and this. Is Ground Zero. Eight seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, one, zero, one one. For, the, first, time. In my twenty five years from doing Brown. Zero I felt that after the last hour of the show is over last night. Was not able to say enough about what I'm feeling right now, and after twenty five years of predicting and preparing for the reality. We're in right now I know. Every very clear that we do not have to continue to do things that certainly destroying our social cohesion. It's funny. Phone call that I had with friend of mine. I think it was weeks ago. And I was lamenting the fact that I was staying home I was lamenting. The fact didn't get out much. I was lamenting the fact I wasn't going to the bars I wasn't going to carry. Okay wasn't having. You know going out to restaurants and hang out with people and. Talking with people and I said I'm just tired of it. I'm I'm I'm fed up. I think what I was expressing was quarantine fatigue, and of course everybody has quarantined fatigue. If you don't than hundred, what's wrong with you? It's crazy. You know doing what you're supposed to do. For prudence responsibility I mean all these things I've said to people and I. I'm sure people paint it when I talk about you know the idea of not rolling over and playing dead. They think that I. Want you to go out and be a responsible. There's no way that I would want that because my staff whereas their masks. I. Wash my hands, I do everything and I. do it because well, my wife for one. She's also compromise because she had she's. She's had her breast cancer and she's had you know a number of things that she's had done to. You know and she's the strong when she did it without antibiotics. which I think is amazing. They told her you gotta take us. NOPE, no I want my immune system to work or immune system is stronger was. And so you know that's the thing is there are things you take? Some won't take the chances. That's okay. Let's not a moral failing. Okay, it's a it's not a moral failing to be wearing your masks, because not a moral failing to be adhering to some of these you know he's executive orders, not a moral failing you do it once again out of self preservation appropriateness. But here's some things I. Wanna I WANNA point out, and this is this is has nothing to do. What with your choices here? It has a lot to do. With what we're going to be choosing in the future. What we're GONNA, be doing in the future and I was reading a headline today. That illustrated the point that I was trying to make last night, and that I wanted to share this headline. Would you because it made my blood boil? Over the insensitive Indiana came from per se I couldn't believe it came from. A person who was a reverend okay. So. Let me point out okay so. There's a website called the nation I go through so many different websites everyday I go through. I read so much. Skim through things I read things and sometimes things catch my eye, and and and they do it because you know. I'm at a loss for ideas. Sometimes I see something like ooh I wonder if I got expound upon that a little bit more. So in the nation there's this headline and it says quote a prayer for Justice and compassion during the pandemic is written by a Reverend Dr William J Barbour. And he said this, and this is the line that I started with, and this is what really got my goat? said quote, may we who are merely inconvenienced? Remember those who whose lives are at stake. Let me. Say That again. Make sure you get sentenced correct quote. This is from a Reverend Dr William J, Barbour. May we who are merely inconvenienced? Remember those whose lives are at stake. And I thought about that and I thought about data and. I'm not saying you had bad and Ted but the first thing I thought of. Is How insensitive that is about worldwide suffering, and how out of touch the statement is, people are not being inconvenienced by the pandemic. They're being devastated. By pandemic gay, they're being devastated financially. Marriages are breaking up their suicides, not being reported, people are defying executive orders to survive and far more than just an inconvenience. This is where I see. Some people are unfazed by the suffering that is going on. We're only focusing on the suffering that happens with the people who have covert nineteen, not the people. Who did what they were told and are now being told again that they have to wait longer to put on the table food on the table and and to put an and work yet see. The good reverend goes on to say this. I wanted to read the whole thing so i. don't get told you're taking him out of context. I'm GonNa read a a little bit more about what he said. So the good reverend goes on to say this. He says quote. May We come to note justice and compassion and repent for those who have let the viruses of greed in lies make the situation worse. May We call an? Okay and I know what he's saying. You're, too. He say the people who want to make money or greedy right people who wanNA. Get me economy going greedy again, so that's what I got. There's so much of this I was just like Oh. Gosh, so let me read it I'm GonNa try not to comment because I I. Know I get mad. When other people do it, so let me just give this to you and then you make your decisions. So Reverend says may we come to know justice and compassion and repent for those who have led the viruses of greed and lies, make the situation worse. May we come to know pandemics spread through the wounds and fishers of our society, and seek to close them, may those who've gone along with the lies just to please narcissism, break free and tell the truth. May We who have risk factors remember those most vulnerable? May we have the necessary righteous indignation at this moment to fight for transformation? May We who have the luxury of working from home? Remember those you must choose between preserving their help or their rent. May We have the flexibility to care for our children. When schools are closed, remember those who have no objects see. Many will say the perhaps I'm being insensitive to this because they called it a prayer, but it simply it's an insensitive chastisement for those who want to work insensitive chastisement for for those who want their children back in school. It's an insensitive chastisement to say that. Hey, remember guys if you're if you're not hurting than you have no business complaining. Well most of the people that he's talking about the ones that serve inconvenienced or the elite, not not all of us. See what I'm saying here. Is that statements such as these are made to create a new enemy? We we've not had a definable enemy of of war since the Times of Hitler and Pol Pot so is now becoming apparent. That the battle lines being drawn by want. Or whether or not in it, being drawn by whether somebody's a Consi- considered a liberal or conservative. It is the age old war of the haves, and the have nots, and those that are not suffering are indisposed from having insight as what true human suffering and they don't want normalcy, or those who demanded have no choice at the table. They they don't. We don't have a choice. We want normalcy. That! We have a choice here. So the reverend speaks for the elites. And those with the money you're merely inconvenienced while the rest are destitute and hungry, and people are thinking. That is going to be a civil war, and if there is. It's not going to be about whether or not you are liberal conservative. It'll be about whether or not you're inconvenienced or hungry. I mean the forcible for the forcible prevention of Americans from doing anything except what politicians deemed essential. Is GonNa give us the worst and most devastating economy in American history since the Great Depression. It's panic and hysteria. Not The corona viruses created this catastrophe and the consequences in much of the world will be more horrible than right here in America as I said. This is what is called artificial scarcity. And it's being used to drive people into depression desperation so that they'll accept anything. As long as they can eat, and their families can survive. And then from the artificial scarcity comes the post scarcity economy, scarcity of course falls into three distinct categories which demand induced supply, induced and structural yet scarcity. Is the foundational principles economics, the first lesson economics is scarcely. There's never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it now with B. of Kobe nineteen. The demand is high for goods and services, and so the apocalyptic morality comes into play now. Where people will fight to that last pork, chop of the grocer or that last roll of toilet paper, and this is where we go back to the insensitive nature of people. How many people that horrid toiler didn't see themselves as insensitive. But were because people now don't get the toilet because if I still go to stores and it's never there. So, he's still being hoarded. I mean what they can't. They can't replenish the toilet paper in sixty days. Is this what we're learning now that a ship it takes more than sixty days. Come into a store because I go to my supermarket. And I don't see toilet paper there anymore, so either calms and people. Are there watching it? And then they just buy just stop, and they walk away or something's wrong here same with all of sudden poof we have a couple of people or a number of people getting sick at meat, packing plants, and for some reason, not seeing certain meats the store now. I mean it doesn't make any sense especially when we've had people all the show saying well, we should have enough in storage to feed certain areas of the globe areas of the country, and you can also get meat from suppliers that don't necessarily supply to the grocery stores. You see you know people to understand how things are done and says they don't understand how things are done. Those in places of power can take advantage of your ignorance. And that's and that's no problem. I mean there are a lot of things I don't know about. There are a lot of things I. Don't know how things go. So I'm ignorant to that, okay. And no one's GONNA. Punish you for your ignorance, but what's going to happen is if someone takes advantage of your ignorance. Then! They're the bad guy. There the. Pathological per people I've talked about talking about for the past couple of days. A new path accuracy if you WANNA, call it that. technocracy Pathak receiving the same thing right now. Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. and. It's like the fascism creep. I talked about years ago. How easy is import a creep into our everyday lives when people say? Well. The. Ones who aren't suffering, please You know we're a little bit inconvenienced. Your don't just no. Let your inconvenience get in the way of other people's lives. What inconvenience people are suffering right now? Even those who aren't dead from covid nineteen. Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero one one. Eight seven, seven, seventy, three, zero one one by Lewis. You're listening to Ground Zero and we'll be back. I'm Clyde Lewis. You're listening to Ground Zero. May We were merely inconvenienced. Remember those whose lives are at stake. So says Reverend Dr William J Barbour. May we who are merely inconvenienced those whose lives ristic people like him are insensitive to the suffering of most Americans right now because they're saying that what they're doing to us right now is just inconveniencing us. I was telling my producer during the breakfast I. Want Open the phones tonight especially to you. You who have had businesses you who are suffering from Kobe nineteen. Because you're out of work I, want to hear about it. You know I 'cause. Nobody's open up the phones for people who have gone through this and I want to hear everybody's story tonight. I really do I. WanNa hear. Those. Who are inconvenienced? I want to hear about the inconvenience. Because it just seems to me that we hear all about those who say well you know all the lives matter Clyde, every life counts Clyde and and I. Really, Who has a voice at the table anymore? You Spit in American business. You Spit it at Americans. WHO WANT HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES? You Spit it Americans that are that are quarantine tire that they they're tired of the quarantine. You're spinning in. Americans. Just preventing Americans from doing anything. Except what politicians say, hey, it's essential. You know that's. That's not going to see if anybody the advent of covid nineteen. The demands are high for goods and services so the apocalyptic, morality. Is that either you're inconvenienced. Or you're struggling really bad or it's. It's the haves and have-nots again. That's what's going on right now. It's going to be a war of haves and have-nots, and those who have are going to have to find it within themselves charity. If not then we're going to have a war between the haves and the have nots. And in the pocket, morality will sit in. A four scarcity or post, scarcity economy. The United Nations World Food Program States the by the end of the year. More than two hundred and sixty million people will face starvation double. Last year's figures gorge was director David Beasley. He said it's on April twenty first. He said we could be looking at famine. In about three dozen countries, so there is a real danger that more people could potentially die from economic impact to cope with nineteen and from the virus itself. That's the U. N. K.. So that'd be enough to prove that the worldwide lockdown. And only historians will be able to tell you yesterday with the worldwide lockdown was a mistake K.. But as much more morte, the global GDP declined by five percent. Another one hundred forty seven million people could be plunged into extreme poverty, according to the international food policy. Research. Institute, so several believes world is exactly as it's meant to be right now, and we are learning important lessons by having challenging difficulties continued here in America. We always think we're going to get out of something. We always think. Oh, we're Americans. We can find a way to get out of it. There's always a way to get out of this problem. But. It's a different time now. The America that existed and I can tell you this seventy sixty days ago does not exist anymore. They wanted to be the new normal. IS THEY WANT COMPLACENCY? That's the whole point, so if you want the new normal, you'll be complacent and the sad thing is. Is that with histories our guide? We are not learning from it and most people are unaware just how fragile. Our way of life is terrifying. Thing is that a lot of people are becoming apologised for monsters as long as it's politically expedient to do so answer our history. We know that the human experience has been extremely brutal, and while for the most part of our civilization. Behavior to civil manner right freedom is now the tournament. By a lot of factors, but the big one right now is the ability to tear down and destroy everything including morality as an active expression. Why because they say we're being inconvenienced or struggling? Fascism is creeping. And it's not the fashion that the that the anti fog groups say exists is on the fastest and the conservative groups exist. It's true honest to goodness fascism in a post scarcity economy. And it's not a complete post. Scarcity economy because that's what dreamers think of. It's like a merit talk. There's we're. We're going to have one. But think about it I. Mean United Nations Goals According to Agenda Twenty one Rio Summit in the twenty thirty summit have been very clear Kobe. Nineteen can be implemented in order to provide a post scarcity civilization civilization that is in the frame, the vision. Of Karl Marx. And we've talked about this. We talked to this years before it happened. We knew that something would come about some major thing. Some major disaster that would pushes towards would be called an emergency socialism. The road to fascism the road to the end of the republic. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. So you being quote inconvenienced by this Kobe nineteen mass wearing stay at home lockdown. Or are you a business owner this realizing that? You. Don't have any money anymore. It'll be able to put food on the table. You may have to take drastic measures just to make sure your family is taken care of. That is the apocalyptic morality. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero. 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People in this world. found. A. We have to understand. The periods of instability are unstable for a very good reason. And we have to stop thinking that one rule of law fits all. Companies. Truth your generation has declared war on my future. Let execution down. Supposed to protect it for. US tried to warn myself about what was coming, but I didn't trust myself. Fascism is not really bad. Awarded for your good behavior, bashes receive large amounts of negative. One could say slanderous media coverage over the USA. Fascism! Fascism is fun. Fascism is the perfect lifestyle choices for the busy professional. It's not your fault. Attention, Democracy like socialism is a nice idea. She's over his. Fascism is. Four. Don't. Council. Ground Zero. Numbers of all the night eight, seven, seven, seven, three, one, zero, one one hoping the phones to people that I. Already suffering from Covid, nineteen meaning that they don't know where the money's coming from. 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You're going to be ready to go with all the food and your house so prepare with Ground Zero Dot com. For. Various Ground Zero Dot Com. If you're using it now, get some more. I mean I just place another order for my family. So Hopefully, they'll get too soon. And You know we need some more office to because we were worried. Maybe there'll be some things going on downtown here I mean we've been stuck at the before for riots and other things. And so tonight we're opening the phones and asking people have really been hit, or they're getting a big hit from this Because you know of that, you know it's not a matter being inconvenienced as a matter of life or death for a lot of people, and that's why I'm opening the phones for that tonight. I'M GONNA go to couple calls right now. Let's go to Janice in Louisiana Janice you're on ground, zero. Try to catch a pleasure to get to talk to you. Man I love your show. Please tell your wife said Hello I will. his thing. Now like my husband will the good news for us though is that. You know we do have some social security, but my husband worked. He works. He still works. He had a twenty one hour week part-time job, which is now only like eleven hours. And I just sent that dude on facebook a message and I told him I. said. This is not just inconvenience. It's disaster for many people. I said it's mental stress and it is. I'm sitting here trying to figure out you know. Let's see what am I going to go to the grocery? LOOKOUT NASCAR better wear the plastic gone over that. You know and I gotta get the groceries, and what if a run out of Scalia? How am I going to it and I? Don't WanNa get it. I don't WanNa die. I don't WanNa pass it on to my husband, I don't WanNa lose him lost my husband Clyde. I don't know if I'd care about what happened to me anymore. So yes, this is a mental stress and I'm asking myself. How long do we have to live like this? And I asked myself the same question because. I'm not let's say this. I'm not getting comfortable with it. I'm holding on trying to hold onto his much empathy as I can, because it's getting to the point where when you're bullied. Looks for not wearing a mask and you're doing something and people look at you like how dare you and you get all these requirements thrown out you just to live your life, I say hey, you know what are you? Are you someone who's going to be this enforcing Stasi or you're going to be someone who who's going to say. Hey, let bygones be by I. was reading something on my facebook the other day that I thought. How could somebody say there's somebody said on my facebook, they said. Well, if people don't wear masks, I believe that if they contract covert nineteen, they shouldn't get medical care. Because, they did this and they brought it on themselves, so they shouldn't get medical care. That's what they said. Are, you kidding me what's that? I said I don't think that at all right this. will say this Clyde. I do feel. That it's a good thing I mean I put it this way when I go to the store. I'm GonNa wear the mask because I realized that there are people out there. That that you know I hear what the LET. The sick people stay home, but what? They don't realize that some of the people that are out there. A symptomatic, and they don't know that they could possibly pass it on to someone else right. So it's, it's a safety. Tomato, because of my case, I don't need to be told government to do I'm using my own brain. That's good that you're doing that. But. The thing is that you do you also stop to think about some of the arbitrary things are telling you to do, and the rollback is not going to go away anytime soon, and that's the problem you here see. You're wondering you're doing the right thing. Janice and I'm doing the right thing. Everybody's doing the right thing, but I had the same frustration you do in. That is what you said and. How long our lives going to be like this? And and how do they expect us to be humans by doing like I said last night? There are some things in life there so pleasurable that make us human that we know the risks and we'll take the risks anyway. But here's the thing about taking a risk. I have some people say. Oh, well I'm not gonNA. Get it and if I do I'm not GonNa die, but what these people don't realize is that when they're taking the so-called risk. They can be putting others in danger if they contract that they can give today. Husband wife children, even being kids being effective now this isn't just. A second hand smoke Janice. Yeah I know what you're say I ended certainly. Does people smoke right in my neighborhood? Right behind me is a little boys like eight years old and data away, you know. Mom and dad talked away when I was again. Yeah. There are a lot of things we do. Even walking outside is dangerous and. A person automobile accident. Started chain-reaction and kill a bunch of people with seventeen car. Pile up. What I'm getting at is is that yeah, they're telling us about the spread. They're telling US conveniently. Anybody can be a symptomatic. They tell us all these things, but they don't present us any proof that the arbitrary ideas of they're pushing the idea of you can't buy paint or furniture or carpeting, or there's certain essential businesses are essential in a certain essential workers are essential. These things are arbitrary. These things are what are killing us, and there are people. There are countries actually did certain things that were different than what we did and they're doing fine. They're doing great. Yeah, I think it's stupid that you can't go buy a can of paint I mean. That's a little much. Well tell that to the Michigan Governor. She says that they can go and buy carpet or furniture. Tell that to newsome who says that Oh sure you can walk the beach with a mask on. You can't bring a tote. You can't bring a blanket or an umbrella. You can't bring anything now. What? How's that going to promote going to promote or not have corona virus? It doesn't make any sense of spreading that. I don't know I. Have No idea I know that some of the. which some of the rules, but some of them I'm not and this thing about. The mayor here in new. Orleans is pushing this to like. If you go to a business, they're gonNA. Win. Your name, your address your phone number. Really I don't feel comfortable with trek somebody tracking. You shouldn't command Atari. I'm all for possible vaccine. What I care about what the vaccine is first of all will it work and is it safe, but then the word mandatory I? Don't like the word mandatory. Well. That's what it is, and quite frankly I I I was thinking about well I don't know. I don't know if I should share this, but maybe I should I don't care I was thinking about issuing masks that had like six pointed stars on Yellow. I just think that that's the way. It, is you put the Star on you and you're pretty much summed, and then that's and that's just what it isn't. History of people saw that. Maybe they learned something from it. Maybe they'd understand that governments don't do this to people. There are certain things that we do that should not be dictated. We said no by government. That's just the way I feel, and it's what we do to remain. Human Ankle Doug in North Carolina Hi Doug Younger Zero. Would a need to apologize for last night. I got into a major rent your Fi-. now man I got into a major ran on the phone with you and with what the American public and I WANNA make an apology I I am frustrated. I'm mad at the the Po-. The political arena powers that they. I don't feel that the news media is doing us right. It's like in north. Carolina worked for the past three and a half weeks down in Wilkspur. North Carolina. I'M GONNA. Chew me sweet by trade two. Times nationally certified. And I've been down there working for a real estate company and they're right down the street from checking factory. Tyson foods. And three and a half weeks ago. They told me hey we've got. Forty nine people that have been deemed with corona virus at the plant. I said really so I'm gone for a week and I come back down another job for him That's about. Forty miles from where I live up North Carolina long story short here the next week. It's up to seventy nine. This week. I'm down there today. It's two hundred and forty nine people. Nobody! In the United States is talking about this chicken factory in Wolfsburg North? Carolina. I've called dead UBT in Charlotte the fourth time today and they said well. We'll send somebody up there. I call channel thirteen out. Of Asheville I've called Winston Salem. Disliked they're keeping Secrets Clyde. Two hundred and forty nine people have been deemed with corona bars and today when I went past the chicken plant. Tyson's in Wilkspur north. Carolina there were huge banners up on the chain. Link fences that said now hiring higher apply now. They've been closed down for three days to do a deep clean there and they have all. They lost two hundred forty nine employees out of fourteen hundred employees, so they're hurting. But we were not hearing about it so I'm saying that our news media not telling us the truth. The, powers that be are not telling us the truth. The political people are telling us to go in the house. Shut the doors. Don't come out I mean. It's driving everybody crazy. And it's what what do we do? Well we pay attention and we have to make decisions on whether or not. Our government is doing overreach. We can't be like blind. Little sheep will and afraid of our shadows. We have to understand what overreaches and what is arbitrary, and whether or not the government has the ability. These executive orders have the ability to prove to us that what we're doing is going to stay or at least stop or prevent this corona virus from spreading the whole idea about this uncle tug. The whole idea for this was that they wanted to flatten the curve. They wanted to not overwhelm the hospitals. They wanted to make sure that everybody got taken. Taken care of, but now we're learning from CUOMO and others. Being at home lockdown doesn't help really all that much, not that I'm telling everybody. Go Out and do what you WanNa do, but what I'm saying is is that it doesn't matter if it's going to get you going to get you and being afraid of it, and and being told you're going to die from it. When most people aren't dying from it, they're. They're getting sick, but in a dying from it. It's just the chances that you take. There are many chance we take all the time except we're not being told by the media, taking chances is GonNa. Kill us. Not Being Tobin. Heart disease cancers other problems ammonia. That's still going on to you. Know and we don't hear about it. Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. We'll be back with more ground zero. Don't go away. It's so odd that Certain things remind you a certain. Things were just talking to my producer and I were talking about how Tobin. Bell was on the show while ago, Tobin Bell's the guy that. Played Jigsaw in the films. They're going to a new one called spiral the book of saw. It's going to be with Samuel Jackson. Chris Rock. That's GONNA come out in theaters this year next year, but they were doing a lot of preview stuff in pushing the hell out of this thing for those either saw fans, but those you know about a movies. They're basically torture films. and they are they. They have a lot of morality to them as well the moral nature of us, and how you know Jigsaw this little clown looking like doll he goes. Do you want to play a game and he asks the questions. He says you have a choice. He gives these weird choices that really aren't choices. You know the idea that you know you have a choice, but the choice is gonNa hurt you either way, so you have to make a choice. The choice would be something like. Do. You WanNA play a game. Here's your choice. Your choice is to either go out and work. And run the risk of dying of Covid, nineteen or staying home, going broke or running the risk of dying from starvation or dying from depression or even suicide Ben is your choice to play a game, and that's exactly what this is. It is a Saab it is it is. It is like a saw game. And it's in. It's cruel. It's inhuman, and no one is giving solutions. They're only dictating certain what we call fascism fascist ideas. I? It's Kinda like the it's Kinda like they're they're they're? The story about the frog. The frog that boils is like you know you. Put a frog in a pot of boiling water. He jumps out immediately and he doesn't want to be in there. But put a frog in a cold pot of water and gradually increase the heat. The FROG, sitting there and That's a nice. This is nice and he's saying. ooh, that's warm. Then all of a sudden he starts boiling, and then it's too late. Because the fraud can get out of the boiling water, and that's exactly what's going on with us. Is that yes, and I were saying okay, we'll do this. We'll do this gradually were saying well. We're doing what's good for humanity and we do this do this suddenly. We realize Oh. We can't pay seventy. We realized what can eat, so we realize we're running out of food selling. We realize. Oh, my Gosh, what are we going to do and then comes the real pain, and then you realize too late that you're the frog in the pot of water in the you've been boiled. And you should have figured that out a long time ago. Should've prepared, or you should be preparing. Now used to have the opportunity. District Reminder prepare with ground zero dot com. If you WANNA, go and get your food. We still have it low priced. Primarily ground, zero dot, com the shipping, we'll take a little while, but then of course this is taking a lot longer than we thought so eight, seven, seven, seven, three, one, zero, one one opened the phone that for people who are really having problems with code nineteen. I'm talking about is that they're suffering. Because of well loss, a lot of lost money lost human loss. There are a lot of things going on here that we're not being inconvenienced. Where really suffering now? 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Tonight we care and it show the. Old. country. Feature. Speakers. Now. Dan. Lewis and this. Is Ground Zero. One Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. So this just in from the World Health Organization. According to Geneva. This is other Geneva. The new corona virus may never go away. Populations around the world will have to learn to live with it. Once, again out, Geneva, the World Health, organization reports the following the new coronavirus. Never go away and populations around the world will have to learn to live with it. According to World Health Organization. Speaks everything different doesn't. It'll never go away and we have to live with. Common cold is a corona virus. It'll never go away and we have to live with. There are many other corona viruses that are not going to go away. We have to live with their plenty of flus that are not going away and we have to live with it. There's ABCD different strains, but we have them come every year and people die from these Flus. We don't quarantine an entire area to keep people from dying when they get the flu. And now we have a new corona virus covid nineteen. It may never go away. I hope you know what that means. It means we have to live with it. It'll never go away, but you don't. We don't have to live with all these draconian measures of they're pushing on us. Ok. According to the World Health Organization. We have a virus entering the human population for the first time, and therefore it's very hard to predict when and when and how will prevail over it. According to Michael Ryan, this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities in virus may never go away. He told the virtual press conference Geneva. HIV has not gone away. We've come to terms with it, according to the WHO were w show. More than half of humanity has been put under some form of lockdown since the coronavirus began, and it's not going away. And many countries are saying okay. Then we should get out of all these different measures because there was not going away, we might as well just go back to normal. Yes, we must. If we have a long way to go according to Ryan. The path to returning to normal should start immediately. We should stay our course of being aware, but we're staying on course being aware about the flu. We stay on course of being aware about the cold. We we, we don't go out in the cold. Catch your difficult. Remember that. Don't catch your death cold. Well, the reason why is because the cold used to kill people? It doesn't anymore. The flu still kills Peoper people and we've never gotten rid of it. So I'm going to read to you again. This from the World Health Organization. The new corona virus may never go away and populations around the world will have to live with it. I hope the governors are listening to this? Stop going to go away, guys! So, what are we gonNA do now. We locked down the entire world. Until you guys decide. It's okay for us to do it. We need to do now. Never go away the flu now. It's like AIDS now. It's like everything else. Commonsense down people. What does that mean that means? It's never going away. It means that if it doesn't go away that we're going to have to adapt that means we're going to have to get our heads out of our South Bend and start living like normal people again. And understand the threat. which is just like having the threat of the flu or a cold or some other malady like cancer or some other thing that can kill us all. Human experiences have been brutal in history. And, even through the most brutal of time, civilizations have behaved in civil matters. Governments continue to operate. You realize that back in the days of Woodstock. There was a flu pandemic going on at that time, they didn't shut down Woodstock. The see what we're doing now is we feel that cove? Nineteen is an excuse to tear down to destroy everything we stand for including rally including our active expression, our ability to love and care. This corona virus may never go away. So you just can't stop living. You Stop Living. Is this it? They said it's not going to go away. Being never go guys so when we gonNA, do now. We know what's going on. The United Nations goals according to the Agenda Agenda Twenty one the Rio Summit in the twenty thirty seven. They've all been very clear about how. They WANNA implement certain things covid nineteen is a great excuse to implement. Scarcely Post scarcity, the guidelines have been proposed. They said create profound changes in economic systems. This is what they said back in two thousand fifteen. The guidelines that they're proposing are said to create profound changes in economic systems in resource efficiency. In the composition of global demand in production and consumption patterns and a major transformation in public policy, making it will also require a serious rethinking of lifestyles in developed countries. United Nations reports on global sustainability include adopting a series of political philosophies that most people compared to those of Marx and engels Communist Manifesto. Organization operational structure appears to largely be a paraphrase equivalent. To. Ten short term demands marks prescribed in section to a proletarians and communists. Our instead of the UN overthrowing capital system. It simply wants to tie it to a leash. They wanted to be subject UNC leadership for the proletariat to redistribute wealth around the world, and to magically elevate the poverty class in the middle class. This is their common vision for the world, and they'll be misled by what the common vision means for you the common vision. The. They want US oldest share. Is. The fearful future of manufactured crises in solutions that include separating the people and eventually calling removing them and many of the policies in common visions presented by the United Nations Green Economy share the same ideals as the Charter of the Trilateral Commission. Of course, the big new Brzezinski Brock Obama's foreign adviser. He was involved with the the trilateral. He was basically the CO founder of the Trilateral Commission David Rockefeller. Stated purpose, the trilateral commission was to create a new international economic order in its current statement. Is morphed into more of a fostering and cl- bringing a closer cooperation among a lot of core democratic industrialized areas of the world share leadership responsibilities in the wider international system. The global plan is for all countries to live on the level of Third World Nations. Economic Sustainability can be achieved through a process known as endgame strategies which include controls on ecological systems are just food water air agenda would severely limit your water your electricity, your transportation and they also wished to curtail population. Kobe nineteen is the perfect excuse to implement these policies the common vision they speak of. We'll be through force and coercion. That's only if we allow it to do do that. The, common vision of globalism that is based in Mark's philosophies has shown a historical track record of bloodletting and population reduction. There's that old worn out axiom about the frog. We've talked about it early. The Frog in the pot of water. We throwing frog into a pot of boiling water the jumps out, but if you keep the frog and luke warm water. And slowly bring up the heat. You can successfully boil the fraud. We're now seeing the correct way to boil a frog from our political leaders that have dropped their masks to reveal the psychopathic monsters. They truly are, and now we're hearing. That the coronavirus Banou Corona virus. May, never go away. And populations around the world will have to learn to live with it according to the world. Health, organization. So if we're going to have to learn to live with it. We're going to have to learn to live. And to avoid dying. A symptomatic or not a symptomatic. People don't know back when we have the HIV AIDS and all the other scares. People didn't know of yet HIV AIDS. You'd be around people. They wouldn't tell you. A few people came forward. Well I've got the eight guys. This is how it is. People would die. Some people wouldn't magic Johnson still around. And he's had it for a long time. Kobe nineteen is not a death sentence. People there has been. It has for a group of individuals or immunosuppressed the elderly. And believe me the elderly WanNa time me, but they also have common sense. All his panic and the continued panic is not gonna do us any good. Because the corona virus. We never go away. And you learned something called adapt. You have to adapt to what is going on around. You can't live your life in fear. Also it says here the World Health Organization saying. It's they're saying warning against expecting corona virus vaccine to provide a complete end of the pandemic. Perfectly effective vaccines on this planet better not being used effectively. No new vaccine is is a guarantee that the coronavirus will go away. It's according to the World Health. Organization. So what does that tell you? Saying the vaccine may not even take care of it. They have a lot of affected things that don't even work on the fluids we have now. Is Fluids in fact of life. Colds are a fact of life. Getting sick is a fact of life either get cancer heart, disease diabetes stroke. You really get something. That's GONNA kill you. And you ASEM dramatic and have heart problems you. You'd be symptomatic and have diabetes you. Can you symptomatic and have whatever these diseases are just because just because you don't show, the wounds of this disorder doesn't mean you don't have it. and. You're saying yacht club. Diabetes is not contagious. You'll say Abbott Cancer's not contagious this this this. For! You know what we still get them. We still have to live with them, and we're not going to give up those pleasures in life, and what it means to be human, because we're so afraid of something. We do take the chances even though we're not supposed to do we do. Because the pleasure overrules the discomfort. And the discomfort would be the ultimate extreme death, but now the corona virus never go away so now. What are we going to do? People are we gonNA remain poor broke. But. We're GONNA work when you to do now. It's here to stay. It's not going away. Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one will be back. Lewis? Listening Brown zero. I'm glad they finally said that. It's not going away. That's a big relief. It really is a big relief. Because now it's just one more thing to die from. It's all it is now. They're saying it won't go away. It's just one more thing to die from. Like everything else from the flu too cold to you know. Getting. Your botulism more E. Coli, or something like that yeah. people are telling me well now. She's self isolate. Getting back to normal is not possible. It's possible because we're living with other things it can kill us to why is covered nineteen so special? Because the media reads special, it's just one more thing to die down. One more thing on that list of things that kill you. L., even a bad tooth can kill you and you have people walk around with bad teeth all the time. They. Walk around with bad teeth because they can't afford to go to the dentist to live with their cavities, a live with their disease that live with her bacterial infections, and the bacterial infection gets into your brain with Sepsis kill you. How many people right now have cavities in their mouth and they live with them because they're willing to take that risk. Thing about it for a moment. You have a cavity and your tooth that you continue. To let sit there and abscesses and get gross, and then you wait for to get achey. You go to the dentist. The dentist can't do anything for it gives you a biography of your steps, but if you let it go too long, you'll die from it. You can die from that. But people do it anyway. So now it's not going away. Not going to go away and they even say the vaccine may not even kill it. So now, what do we do? That means the world is ending. Its done. Or it means that we live and we continue living. That's what it means. It's either you're going to say to yourself I am so afraid of this that I'm not GonNa do anything, or you're going to get your life back together. You start doing something and realizing that Cova nine hundred years just one more thing you're going to die from. Memento Mori People Memento, Mori means that all things die. You had a mortality. You better live your life to its fullest while you still have your mortality. You understand what I'm telling you. I know a lot of people have not come close to dying so a lot of people that I'm talking to have I have. And once that happened to me. I got off my stupid button I decided to stop being a local talk. Show host I wanted to be a national talk. Show host. I wanted to live and do something that I wanted to do before I die. In a lot of me to be able to reach that goal I, decided I didn't want to crawl up in a little hole. I mean I gained weight. That's how depressed I was. The drugs I was taking everything I was doing the sedentary lifestyle, not being able to move John I was ready to die. And I lost I lost, and I lost everything because I wanted to die I. It's all I WANNA do. I was too afraid to do anything. I didn't want to take any risks. I WanNa do anything and then I learned the hard way. The cancer is GonNa kill me anyway. Eventually Whatever I do I'm going to be making cancer for the rest of my life, because I have a genetic disorder that makes tumors on every damn part of my body. But. I didn't crawl into a hole in die I live. Every day. And Yeah I may seem to back I. Don't know if I have cancer or not, unless I go by the bulletin, get tested. Just like everybody else wants Kobe nineteen. They can bite the bullet. You'll get tested. Find out of covid nineteen in worry going to die or get sick or make other people sick, but it's not going away now. It's not going to go away. It's just one more thing to die of. Saint Louis, not going away I. Think takes the steam out of it now. It makes me realize that okay, if it's not going to go away then how are we going to adapt and cope with it? What are we going to do to prevent it you? You do it on your own. Even wear a mask if you want you for the rest of your life if you want to. But that's a choice. You can stay at home for the rest of your life if you want to that choice. Or you can live and understand living rules out far more than a disease that can kill you just one more thing. That's going to kill you today. You eat a peanut electric shock. You're your gets stung by being elected shock. It's one more thing, but do you run away from bees maybe? You stop eating peanuts. If you'RE NOT GONNA die from peanuts. One more thing. It's GonNa kill you one more thing. It's going to be around to kill us all. We're not gonNA. Stop Living. Because what are we? We'd better not. A lot of people are suffering because they're not realizing it's just one more thing. Because when they get into that whole that I got into their last breath. Even though they're alive, they have to start appreciating life. They mean just wind up killing themselves. They may just wind up feeling hopeless and not knowing what to do. And there is the real pain. Those were alive, envying the dead. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, one, zero, one one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, one, zero, one one. We'll be back. Following a disaster, your home emergency kit. We'll be invaluable. Building a kid doesn't take long, and you'll be glad you did. When disaster strikes, here's a list of items to include a first aid kit battery powered or hand crank radio flashlight, extra batteries and emergency whistle cell phone with charger cash in small bills, a local map with your family meeting-place identified food and water to last two weeks, garbage, bags, dust, masks, and seasonal clothing and. 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The numbers to call eight, seven, seven, seventy, three, one, zero, one one. Some tell me something. Fluids big with this for a while. Common colds been with us for a while, and we can all die. The common cold or the flu weaned pneumonia. So, how many times before cove nineteen were you the one that went to work? That had a tickle in the back of their throat didn't say anything. You're symptomatic, but yet you knew. That eventually you're going to get something bad like bronchitis or something like that and you knew. If you go to work you. You were basically exposing your friends to what you had. For some strange reason, somebody else came down with something bad to and eventually productivity in the business went downhill because you decide to show up at work. A little bit tickle in the back of your throat. Okay, the reason why you did it because nobody was on the radio or on the TV telling you that you going to work could kill someone, but it probably could probably did eventually. As Kobe nineteen is going to be. Cohen. Nineteen is the same thing as the fluke. covid nineteen is going to be with us for a long time. There's GonNa be no vaccine to take care of it, and yet people are so virtue signaling now and many of the same people virtue signaling now are the same people that would go to work coughing knowing full well. They were spreading the flu. Why because they took the chance there were things were more important to that might making money than protecting other people. So. Don't give me this virtue tirade that everybody's better than anyone else because they're wearing a mask now. Don't give me that crap because I. Know Better. I know you'd behavior. So. They're telling you now. covid nineteen is going to be with for a while. You better start preparing for just one more thing. That's GONNA. Kill you and you're gonNA live your life. Knowing that something in the back of your mind is GonNa kill you. It'd be cancer, heart, attack, stroke or Kobe nineteen. It's time to grow up now. It's time to realize it's not going away according to the World Health Organization, there's no vaccine that's going to change it and so heard immunity, and whatever else has to happen in order for us to get stable has got to happen now. Jack California hijacker on Ground Zero. You know what I worked in the motion picture business. They wanted you to come to work sick. you if you missed a day. They would replace. You wouldn't be on the show anymore. So, they just want you to show up. They WANNA bodies. And They didn't care if you were sick. But now they're saying Kobe. Nineteen is just one more thing. That's GONNA. Kill us. They say it may never go away. What are we GONNA do now? We're going to just shut everything down and say no more life. One. Here's something to think about also if Your listeners currently have. The Corona virus or has recently gotten over it. It may never go away in your body because. There's evidence that this virus lays dormant and come back and strike you again. Some people have already had it twice. Chicken box same thing. It just comes back shingles. Or herpes or Herbie's everybody's got herpes, but not everybody's shows that they have it. Has That for interesting ninety eight percent of us have purpose, but not everybody's shows of ever piece. Right, and what did they say half the people that have the corona virus or a symptomatic? So there's another similarity. but doesn't cry. Doesn't this go to the question that you're caller asked in the first hour. How long do we have to live like this? We don't that's the whole point. We don't have to live like this anymore now. They're saying it's not going to go away. It's just one more thing to kill you, so we have to basically go back to normal. Well I think the answer is at least for the United States We have to live like this up in until election day. Well that's that's the thing is if it does go up like this until election day and everything is spattered after we get a Democratic president, I would certainly believe that there would be a civil war. Well if you look at the Democrats, right now and in you look at a good part of the news media. It's it's all about trying to disrupt opening up the country economically. They want this economy wrecked and to stay wrecked. Until Election Day trump can't get reelected. they don't look the Democrats. Don't care how many people are suffering economically. They, they're obstructionists. If you look at especially the blue states! Like New, York and Los Angeles. they're. They are saying that okay. The staying home owners are going to be another three months. the university system, and California is not going to open up for the fall, so they'll be out of school for the entire year. And That's that this is a propaganda campaign. You scare us to death. and to keep us from going back to work, knowing his sad is that nobody is going to notice this. Nobody's GonNa Notice that after we've gone through this three months of hell these four months and five more months of hell. There's not going to be anything stable in the country, there's to be a lot of upheaval in the country, and then once we have election if we have one at all, and they decide that president trump made a massacre of everything, and he destroyed everything that he's not the president we want. And they put some other guy in like by Biden. Everything will go back to normal and when it does. We'll know we'll know exactly what was going on. But you can't tell people that now, because that's the thing. Is that once? They flat in the curb and he moved the goalpost. I knew the fix was in. That's one of the reasons why I talk the way I talk stopped because I have a dangerous narrative is because they moved the goalposts, and now the World Health Organization saying that we're going to have to live with this now forever. That tells you that you can't keep living like you're living now. You have to adapt to whatever it is. It's out there. It's just one more thing that will kill you Memento Mori. People in need to understand that. That you could get Gerald Celente on your show. We tried. We got the you know Journalists Day, you know he I don't know he's just been hard to get a hold of an and you know he's been. I, don't know He. He's been wrong a lot of the time, too, so you're not really economic guy but. I want to know what you think of this. Let me tell you two things quickly. Calls because I got more. Calls to only have two hours three hours a show, so go ahead. Okay so yesterday. The stock market went down five hundred points because the CEO of Boeing said that this is worse than apocalyptic. Today, the stock market went down another five hundred points because the chairman of the Federal Reserve Jay Powell said that. The economy is permanently damaged. I mean what do you make of that? What I said. It's a scarcity artificial scarcity what it is. And the answer will be Technology Jack. That's the answer. GMO Foods. Lab? Meets, proteins. Technology the Internet of things all the answer. Read Karl Marx. Karl. Marx and you'll figure out what's going on. All Right Buddy will you hang in there and then what you're doing i? Thank you appreciate the call. Let's go to Kenny now in Ohio Hi. Kenny. You're on Ground Zero. Hey how you doing quite I looked down so hopefully I'll go get always it I'm a navy that my oldest son joined the Navy did for years he got out. He reenlisted less than a year later. While he's waiting for is is the duty station December and his wife got in a really bad car accident maybe for Christmas. Choosing an intensive care for over two weeks My my twenty three year old son. My oldest son died sorry. We were we were. We were not able to have his burial because she was intensive care for for over two weeks. then we had a cold snap and all this stuff and then, and then here comes the control of Iris. So now I mean we can't have you know people together make. My son donated his his Oregon's to military or veterans, so they have an honor walk. The hospital had the biggest look. The most people participated. They've ever had Is He? Your son, your son. That's passed away. Has He been married, or is he still not been buried yet? No because he the the navy was gonNA. Put on the full, you know. They were talking and Brian some jets around, 'cause he he, my son touched. A lot of people live in. All I'm trying to get to as man. I'm trying to grieve my son's death, but now I feel like I'm grieving the death of the country that I search for and the freedoms that I served for, and like you said earlier man. Yes, I envy my dead son. I envy the hell out of him. 'cause he's in a way better place than we are. Because this is not where I grew up, and or you or anybody else first of all first of all I'm so sorry you should never. You should never have to bury your son one and two man. It's heavy to say you envy the death of your son U.. NBA MD dying because you think he's in a better place and you're right. Where are we right now? That's not good it's. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I just I. Just can't believe you. You've lost your son. You can't have decent burial for him. You can't have the family. Get together and say these are the things that I've talked about the humanity. Where is the humanity? In this? There is no humanity and now they're saying well. It's not going away. We'll. Then what are we GONNA do? We can't continue living like this, or are we going to change the way we lived out back to the way it was doing. It's just one more thing that's GonNa. Kill us. Yeah, I don't know I saw it. It means you get your work. That's okay. I'm sorry Kenny. Bless your God bless your college man. Keep doing and doing the fired okay? Again believe that. Has a twenty. Three twenty four year old son. Served this country died. You can't bury him. He can't have a ceremony for him. He can't do darn thing about it, and now he says the envy's. Dead Son because he served. An American. He feels that has gone. That's. That's A. Bad thing. Devastating me I can't I can't even. Can't even think about this it's. Too. Depressing. And Sad. We're all inconvenienced. Are We? Eight, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. I'm Clyde. Lewis. Jewison Ground Zero, and we'll be back. Mosquitoes were affected life. Jerry Malaria. West Nile disease. You'd bitten by one you can get. Those diseases desktop from camping. Is that stop you from? Fishing stopped me from going outside. No because we have to live with just one more thing can kill us right one more thing. The wrong place at the wrong time can kill you. covid nineteen is the same thing now. It's now been announced by the World Health Organization. Never go away and if it doesn't go away then it's just like everything else. It can kill you. It'll be here forever. We, just have to live with that. Go to Josh in Indiana Hi Josh. Ground Zero. Josh Indiana, go ahead. Go ahead, I just wanted to call and talk about. Everything that's going on. you know they're trying to create the food scarcities. Everybody's out of were worried about money relying on the government for sustenance. And you know you you create famines and. Scaring everybody in this scare was really bad there for something really bad. Bad, now in my opinion, scare kill bad actually. We're so scared that. You know they're not working and they're not going to be making money. They're going to feel the pain later on, and they're gonNA. Wonder what was I doing? Announce out that you know. Exactly, and then you know like you know you create a problem in any creative solution. You know like you were talking about earlier and was fall. Would you like to play the game? You know I kind of think it's all like a representation of the technocrats you know and you know. Playing the game kind of using social media to steer you know people and. It's like an opportune time for some kind of new government. Yes. There's always a way to exploit something like this and they always say. Don't let a good prices. Go to waste, and this is what they're doing Tony and Ohio. You're on Ground Zero. Clyde I'm so happy to talk to you Betta Fan. I got laid off about March twentieth. And, that's when I started listening to your show, but you know everything I called it so mundane, compared to Kenny in Ohio and I'm from Ohio to. Work Navy saying. You have something to say say what's up. I'm a navy. Father and love you although where you're at. anyway. The you know the code the. This whole thing of wearing masks. You know and we have amy acting you know I, O saying where a mask and Cape and every day. It's like a TV show. A. The bottom line is then You know our national Dr. Faouzi says. Don't wear a mask unless you're in the medical industry. Or you're really sick severe. We have so many So much misinformation. So! Yeah, you're right. We got a lot of misinformation going on. You Got Dr Fauci saying you don't need to wear masks. Really also saying it's required to wear a mask. I'M GONNA. Give you a word of advice. You a little slogan. You want to put in the back of your head and think about this every day. Corona Virus Covid nineteen like cancer. Flew strokes heart attacks is just one more thing we're going to die from. Because we all die? At some time, this is not something that I feel is insensitive because the world. Health Organization saying now, the Corona virus is not going away. Even even a vaccine may not even kill him, so we have to live our lives now realizing the in nineteen. You just one more thing that will kill us like everything else we do. When we wake up every morning and walk outside that door. We run the risk. Dining Mental Mori Memento, Mori. On the phone with me. Is Roddy from get the tea dot? Com Man? I'm taking allison and I think it's really helping my immune system. Do you think people should be taking it? Because of this whole covert nineteen stuff well, I think it's one of the biggest immune enhancers that you can get I. Take it every day and in fact I have friends of mine that never really were interested in my products, and they take allison like we need to get that allison well I wanNA. Make sure I'm okay, so it's funny. Alison just garlic garlic extract so when you have allison advance when you take that, each pill is equal to about thirty five close of healing garlic, so it does a lot of cleansing the blood, but of course you want to get the tea to cleanse the gut correct if we look at the guys, gut is where all the sick to start, so when you're dealing with your digestion system and your digestion starts. Starts to fail you and not do good. Then things that you take or foods that you eat are not GonNa Digest, and so you're not going to get the goods out of the tea helps you go. Digestion is top, and it really helps everything. Work Right to cleanse your blood. There's alison advance and also to cleanse your gut. There's not going to get the tea dot com. That's get the TEA DOT COM! He's new music. Yeah, check it out surfer music discovery, it links to thousands of online stations, but the twist is you see the song names and artists that are now playing live? 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Probably would his whole thing's over one hundred thousand? That's tops. Those a little over that it's you know it's just spillover. Ke- hundred thousand deaths, and that would be a very very very very very bad flu season with twenty thousand more deaths that were more than eighty thousand deaths on the twenty, eight hundred thousand nineteen calendar, so we have eighty thousand deaths from the flu, the two thousand, eighteen, twenty, nine hundred calendar, the two thousand, nineteen, twenty twenty calendar is not even been figured out yet, and we've already with corona virus have beat that so one hundred thousand deaths from coronavirus tops win if we have it as if it comes to like a flu season, a. leaves like a flu season, but it's not like it's going to go away anytime soon. So at this moment were being held hostage by a virus and the fear of what it might do to humanity, while public safety has to be priority. We understand this. We have to ask the question now since it's just one more thing we're gonNA, die of anyway, what are we doing? What is this all about? Is this a manufactured crisis or is it just an opportunistic moment for governments capitalizing on their best chance to roll out new draconian measures? Temporary. Powers is one thing and I'm. I was behind it night and I still am I mean look emergency powers to make people have people do things That'll be good for their help, and and hadn't authorities say no. You're not going to work if you're sick, but see if there's a rollback after the crisis is over which we're seeing the six point, four percent drop in data were seeing maybe a top out of a thousand. So. We're seeing this rollback We're seeing this crisis over the. There's no rollback. Then what do we do? This crisis is one without in. Because the thing is now, it's going to be what this for a long time they can make this. Go for as long as they want to. If people are not educated and so, I'm giving you an education tonight. It's one more thing that you're going to die of. Johnson perpetual war like Nineteen eighty-four like in the book nineteen, Eighty Four. We come to expect freedom. We're told that we live in a free world yet we see our rights and freedoms and privacy, being eroded by government legislation, corporate invasive technology and data collection. They WANNA, trace and track us. To for something is not going to go away. Tracing and tracking for coronavirus, they might as well tracing trackers for the flu might as well tracing tracking. They might as well just put everything. You've got every sickness. Every malady every got on a chip and put it in you. That's what they WANNA do. They WanNa put it in you just so that they can have some more power over you and say Oh, by the way we're not GonNa, let you in why well you had rickets or something else I don't know it's just this is. This is eugenics. It's. People see this I mean. What are we draw the line? What do we say enough is enough? It was most. Awfully strangers the same technology that enables our surveillance monitoring. is also the most powerful tool at our disposal right now Internet and telecommunications enables us to share information, just as the system collects information about all of us, and for many did open our eyes about government agendas, methods and operations we know have unprecedented access to worldwide information often in real time, or within minutes and hours of events happening, many believe that a new era of oppression is being rolled out. Isn't it obvious? Is Right now. We're sitting in our homes. Were enabled by the high power, high speed, low frequency, high latency, low latency I by G. and. Some Hidden Agency is going to install it for us to make us all feel grow at about being at home. Conspiracies aside conspiracy theories whatever you want to point at and say all clio dangerous narrative. This isn't a dangerous narrative. This is practical I mean there are many questions. We asked about our rights right now. What our freedom should consist of what the limits of government corporate action should be. We need to ask these questions. Now we need to demand answers and show the powers that be the thirst for true democracy is still alive and kicking it. We volunteer to be imprisoned or become our own jailers, and there's no hope for the United States of America. There is no hope for humanity. As in the past. With many other instances humanity. needs to assert itself in order to remain free of despotism. And it's never been more urgent than now. Some point for whatever reason you have to come to the realization, the consensus narratives in our society about what's going on are false. They are false. And the tools that people are taught to use to inform themselves about their government. Their nation and their world are not just full of inaccuracies, but they are deliberate distortions to get. You'd think a certain way. They are programming techniques. Neuro programming techniques, and they are happening at a lot of people are are falling for them because of dynamics that are used in most colts. There are many corona viruses that our bodies are exposed to every year. Our for some reason, we're asked to hold out and wait for a vaccine for this one, but it's not gonNA work. Even the CDC in the world will not the CDC but the World Health Organization says. Hey, even if there is a vaccine, there's don't guarantee that it's going to send this away. And, so we're being told to discourage her immunity and no one is asking why. But I'll say well. No, not not. That's a dangerous thing to say. No, it's not. There is no cure for the common cold. That's a corona virus. Now, they didn't hold on lockdown for SARS which is also a corona virus far more deadly than the common cold or Flu. We're learning the most of the same drugs they used for SARS and malaria are saving Kobe nineteen patients, and yet people are still afraid of dying from covid nineteen so much so that they become insensitive to those that need to work and reopened their businesses. People need to decide what they want. You decide what you want to need as well and there needs to be accountability against the peer pressure of inappropriate conformity. We're all in. For Self Preservation? We remain on that course. Of course we do this. At least we should be on that course. We're going to meet the same fate as those boiled frogs. We were talking about earlier seriously. Go to John in Idaho Hi. John you're on. Ground, zero. Hey how you doing man do good. Well I'll tell you I am more and who is falling through the cracks. I'm five each waiting on unemployment. I haven't done dime on yet. The IRS can process my tax return. I eat founded on March thirtieth six weeks ago and they're still processing it, and until they process it I can't get my twelve hundred dollar check so I am screwed, blue and I'm sitting here broke. Barber and I can't work. So you know what quite? I gotTa Tell You I. Understand the. Call bombers in the middle. East I understand certain. They have nothing to live for, and they have nothing better than the drive a car bomb into some legislatures somewhere because they'd maybe they help think it'll help their family and their French. Well, you know what? This country needs a million Timothy McVeigh's right now. That's my opinion. Obviously you're angry? Obviously you're angry. But you know what? Harden the resolve of those to want to continue to put pressure on the idea of a police state that that's the thing. That's the catch twenty two what we do. Is We. Do what would be like what what Gandhi did or what? You, know others have done where they said look. You want us to do this fine. You know we'll do this, but you know what we're not going to do what you tell us to do. If you're not gonNA give us any kind of reward for what we're going through right now. If the government turns around and says hey, you know like back in the days of the hoover pull. pull up your BOOT straps. That's what you're going to start seeing. People getting very angry about this, because if the government and they're getting all this money all this stimulus money, all these billions of dollars for emergencies at a small businesses are not being bailed out by your governors. I would certainly not be surprised. If people rise up against their local municipalities I would not be surprised the least. You'll have you timothy. McVeigh's everywhere. Well. Yeah, but that's another thing, too. Who? With all the small businesses collapsed big business. Well, you know what though the John. You still have a choice. You can still barber and take the chance of being getting a misdemeanor for doing it if you still want to. I, mean you see these people that are basically opening their salons and they're doing what they're doing. So I mean if you're that desperate, take a chance. See what it gets. You keep cutting hair. Quiet, I'm talking about the big picture when all these small businesses fail, who's been a profit? Bump stores? The biggies, the people who can survive this in weather there's you won't have the small mom and pop shops anymore if you WANNA groceries are GonNa have to go to the sport if you WANNA haircut, you're GONNA have to go to greatclips. That's the way it's GonNa be big business is going to rule this country when all the small shops are closing down when all the small list closed down. You'RE GONNA. have to go to applebees. You're going to have to go to your, you know. John John and when big business dictates policy. What do we call that? You know what they call that right? The S, no, what what is the term when big business dictates. Law, and they dictate the way we operate. What do they call that? To The F. Word. It's called fascism. By the book inspired the Book Fascism. The businesses the big businesses are going to dictate what the little businesses can and can't do. They put them out of business, and they lobby to get things in their direction. They take all the money from this disaster that we are not only country that is hell bent on creating a scarcity economy for a scarcely civilization. We are hell bent on allowing fascism along little state socialism, and then we know what happens after that. Don't leave. All you guys read history. You know what happens after that right and that's why a lot of Americans are afraid. What happens next, so it's your call. Your call everybody. It's your call. This is not a dangerous argument. This is reality, eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. We'll be back. FROG. Column All frogs. Here's an update all of you that are in the boiling water and having to say jump out yet. Coming CNN townhall on the coronavirus pandemic will feature seventeen year old Thornburgh. Alongside a panel of medical experts? They're mocking us now. They're mocking you and they're making me. A seventeen year old environmental activists is going to be sitting alongside a panel of medical experts on CNN. When I was seventeen I wasn't even finished with chemistry class. And this girl is going to be a medical expert on a C.. N. TOWNHALL! Who she going to be with well, the program is GonNa Call Corona Virus Vaccine Fears. Sanjay Gupta of course is going to be on. Former health and Human Services Secretary Caffeine is. Former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Director Richard Besser. CNN Anchor Anderson Cooper. We'll be alongside Sanjay. Gupta almost new joint the hip now both Sanjay Gupta and Cooper on everything, and they bring on people like Bill Gates is not an expert on anything. Except being a cutthroat business ban like somebody else, we know anyway. Now Greta Phone Berg is going to be a medical expert at seventeen. How do you feel about that? Why is she going to be picked to be alongside these? It just goes to show you. It doesn't matter who's telling you this whether it'd be doctor strange gloves. Or Greta. How dare you. How dare you right? How dare you? Now tell me I'm being mean now. Being so mean to a seventeen year old girl who is not an expert on having to do with freaking vandamme. ICK is going to be telling me how to live my life. And they're gonNA. Give her a place to speak. This is it outrage? They're making fun of you. They're mocking you hr six, six, six, six, six, marking you. Oh six! Oh six! Oh six! They're mocking you. Okay. Let's go now to Randy in Texas. Iran deal, zero. But what a powerful show! My brother you that it's. It's good to hear you hear. You've all thank you, To me. This is this is a a magnificent plan. Spend being orchestrate here now. This is game time you know what I'm sitting here. Listening to her Jack and the family and you know. What have you know there's there's thousands if not tens of thousands of bus that we'd call this family. And throughout the last five seven years, we've been talking about this. We've been talking about every aspect of of mental control or manipulation God and everybody is stuff part of this family that you've been teaching in having your input on all these years. That was big camp. Folks and let me share this with you. It's It's jumped. It's passed. Yongsan whether you realize it or not. The game is on. So. The thing that that is amazing to me. Is that How quickly we forget you know some people to in the navy time those not taking you. If Malaysia finit out right now, but there's certain things that I do remember about that, and it is that I've seen both sides of this of this magic. We a call this magic and it's amazing. It started about a little bit. We won't go that far back the right now. It. They understand. And we understand, but we won't accept the fact that humans are programmable. They're trying just like dogs, and so if you stop and think about Clyde, everyone of those. How many have we had five per master on? Were you went through it tonight? But the fact is val. Those were gathering data. They will gathering data on the different segments up our society, and how they react fear wise. There's they're gay. Because, you can't think clearly when I was in the service and we were on the wrong side. Denying River. And if fair came in, we were dead. You you there. There is fair is the enemy. S biggest battle that we can fight and be real. Quick is is the battle. We filed their own personal emotions. Now I will say this game. We can play the game to cloud and the first thing I would like to tell. Everybody's this if you want to win. Smile. Then that feel weird when I said that. That's the deal. If you smile. And you start understanding the game. Listen, we can play to. Clyde nose back. He knows personally. It I've been looking for the way to counter this for many years. To provide, I'll be in touch with you, but here's something that ran out of time. Thank you I. be in touch with, please. I WANNA. Remind everybody that if you would like to help out the program because we are flying an engine. I. Don't WanNa. Go into too much detail at the moment. You could always go to ground zero tip jar. That's ground zero tip jar gmail.com. Round zero tip jar gmail.com. If you donate ten twenty. Five bucks, and every listener was pitch in. We'd be fine at least for the year seriously because our independent, and that's the way it is, so that's our people which. Ground, zero tip jar genus. Dot Com back. On the photos. From, get the tea dot com. I was reading the other day that I. Guess Anxiety Medications of spiked. You have an answer for that, don't you? Do you don't have to go to the pharmaceuticals? 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You intrigued by paranormal talk radio. You'll love the new paranormal radio. APP from Talk Stream live. You'll find a great selection of talk shows covering ufo's ghost, strange phenomena and much more download the paranormal radio APP now and start listening to the very best in paranormal talk entertainment including the network. You're listening to right now. The paranormal radio APP free in Google play and the IOS APPS store. As a police officer Tolbert. Wind Big Blue Laugh broad. Broad! Control. More difficulties are getting groups of people to agree on things. See I ordering. The White House conducted broadcast TV radiation LSD experiments on Americans to attract the attention of a younger audience and a gym. Who did decide to open his doors wound up in handcuffs. country. I don't care if it's your sergeant or chief of police, we don't get to violate people's constitutional rights. is a cold blooded animals. And, humans warm-blooded. Is that because of capitalism. Santa, Tonight we care and show. allthough frogs love water when I it over this pot of boiling water. This frog is very uncomfortable and climbs to get away from it. This part is room temperature sixty nine point four degrees, so he's comfortable when I put him in. But this magnified ability to enforce conformity comes at a price. Small. Eventually we can turn up the burner to a deadly boil. He will just keep trying to adjust with it. I'm Clyde Lewis. You're listening to Ground Zero. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one zero one one. That's eight seven seven. Seven, three one zero, one one who go to mark now. In Tennessee I'm marker on Ground Zero. Hello Sir how you doing good. okay I'm totally with you on this government takeover, a been filling in for many years Probably, got goats. County I- animals I can eat when if it all goes out. But anyway. So I'm trying to build up for generations. Pass me I. Don't care. If if some has to me, but I would like to leave the people I love even people even older than me. Her still her, but anyway I would like your opinion. All this stimulus all these things. They destroy the dollar, so I'm thinking if I put money in the bank. Goes worthless, so you got money gold crypto currencies Bitcoin I have a failing crypto currencies and Bitcoin to be totally. Electronic like you say that. Take no credit being control it so. The question is how how bitcoins going to survive because like I say. I have my bill. One hundred dollars bitcoin sitting out there somewhere and I have a bitcoin wallet. Hardly look at I mean I'd probably look at more had more money in it, but I don't I. When we had the surge in in pay got the money out and bought beds with it, but then I went down to about one hundred so now I have to say to myself. Do I want to take the risk of putting more money into my bitcoin? If that's the case, then, yes, it'll be, it'll be the new technocracies money, and he will have a lot of value, but right now it's just a token. So if if if the United States goes to me. It's like a trapeze artist walking on the top wire with the balance beam in the like you say that clown world. The country field, but So. Do you gotta? Pick money, gold or a crypto something. Let's say I die. What what what? What would you think would be good to Hoard up to leave to somebody. Gold is equally accessible is very easily accessible more so than bitcoin. Bitcoin and that available, if I wanted I, if you if you felt you WANNA. Leave something behind. Bitcoin will always grow in value, and there's only a little bit Abouna. Those gold of course remains in retains. It's value. And so those are the two things that you know if I were going to do it, I mean I'm not a guy. I'm not an economist, but I would just say that two things two things right now that have been very successful for me. have been hanging onto gold and hanging onto bitcoin, and that's about as far as it goes. Know grade at the dollar. It looks like maybe less and less value. Fiat dollar. Yes I would say that I if they're proposing they WANNA create tokens on your own energy. If they're making those proposals on their patenting sensors, they're going to be using us for actually creating coins or generating coins or mining coins. You know that the the token Token currency is going to be token currency in the future. Okay I got one thing I'd like to say to you and everybody else. I totally agree with your Your opinion on the way this was going if an I'll tell you from personal experience when you decide that, you won't to get property getaway to fade yourself at the grocery stores have their data, but anyway it takes years to do this work. Take all the way to feed yourself and and water, a water, source and different. To. It's never it's never gonNA hurt. You mark to invest in foodstuffs that are inexpensive and have long shelf life. You have to remember to stack deep Selah cheap if you don't have a farm, that's why I offer the food that I offer it prepared with Ground Zero Dot Com. If you don't have a farm, the best thing for you to do is get nonperishable foods. They're gonNA last and have good shelf lives for twenty five years and rotate that food. Do Canning whatever you can to have your own food and have your own food supply available. The more of us get our own food supply. The last we have to depend on the government. Answering gets worse and worse. Can really fat back by not using right, and and the thing is is that you're in for those of you still have money that have money set aside or whatever you can utilize that money to go into. Things are going to benefit you for your future now you have the time to invest in things. You have the money to invest in for those of you that are hurting. Hurting in relying on the checks. No, that's not gonna be something that you're going to do, but you have to remember the things you value most of the things that you're going to be paying for regardless of how much money you make, or you do not make you fight to keep certain things alive. Your family number one came. Be Your family alive and fed and taken care of. Is you know, in my opinion, the most important thing of all the biggest failure you'll ever have if you fail to keep your family together because keeping the family together is the most important thing. You just have to work on that work on that work on that and I'm not saying that you're better or less better if you can't keep your family together, but that is vital right now. Family and it's not your nuclear family anybody. You consider family anyone you love Zion blood family. You take care of them. You try to keep them from going down the very very harsh harsh spiral that we're going in now. Go to Roscoe in Tennessee Hi. Roscoe you're on Ground Zero. this is a giant boon for technocracy, and the boiling frog is is Exactly describes it. The pundits wore out the turn slippery slope longtime ago, but it sure applies here. I probably shouldn't use first names on I don't WanNa. See What City I. It matters, but I'm in Memphis but the police and first responders get an alert when they're going to an address where someone has tested positive. And and that seems to me like a violation of hippo, but they Klay Motors allowance in Hippo for that, but Gosh, what about if they had AIDS or herpes or even scabies or fleas? You know How? You're seeing exactly right. How long is this stuff? GonNa last when as soon as I, heard corona precise about another flu. There's novel viruses all the time. I and now that the world aren't Rosca when you agree with me that now, the World Health Organization saying that it's not going to go away. You have to then say to yourself. It's just one more thing will kill you and you have to get on with your life. Is Revealing. Despite what party they call themselves. What your local politicians feel about control. I mean before you had to look at like how your council voted for things like smart meters who voted for which and why because they don't serve US your point about if lifts after the election there will be civil war look into the history of the time Joseph Biden General, electric and their president passed out on stage, and I thought at the time. It's because the the importance of their role into smart grids suddenly hit him as he looked at Joseph. Biden's hair plugs in the light. You know I wonder what other cities and locales are doing about. The to me. The disincentive to get tested if you know if you need nine, one one and they have to put an expert on the. Excellent point. What's the point of getting tested? If you're going to be humiliated if they find out you have it. What's the what's was? Afraid. And they tell us to presume everyone. HAS IT including yourself? So why don't first responders also yeah, I mean this is the thing is. The thing is so sad about this is that? If you go out and you say. Oh, guess what I have I have the color I have the Rona and people go. Oh, my God! Don't even get near me. You have the Rona. You Rona and that's the thing. Is that you know who's GonNa? Go around saying in nineteen movie. Stars can do it because it makes them virtue signallers, but you do it. You become a pariah. You remember the two women who robbed a Walgreens by coughing loudly and announcing they had it. They got chased on a couple of black player with bag full of stuff I remember I am fifty four, but I was newshound since I was a kid and I noticed even as a kid. People absorb a headline, or they get the full story, and they're usually different and I remember the swine flu flimflam. It was a Flimflam yeah, and They rushed out a vaccine and a lot of people were paralyzed. Well, this is not Roscoe this is not A. Business and exploited type of disease is what it is exploited now and now they're saying that you know. We're not gonNA. Get Away. Get rid of it. It's just you know something that's going to kill you. It's to add in Florida Hi ed when you're on ground, zero. So, you know I wanNA. Start off by saying like was pretty fired up and the guy who colors back I was talking about. you know. Get you preparing for the worst and stuff like that, yeah? That's right saying. You know we need to be doing sure so I, told your producer that. You know I've been a listener listener of yours for a long time. I'm I. Don't know I. Just feel disappointed like stunt. Stance I'm taking your. You're disappointed disappointed, because if the World Health Organization et, what is saying the corona virus is GonNa be with US forever. Or you're GONNA be living like this for the rest of your life, because if you are I feel sorry for you. I really do right tackle. Sorry for you. I've had cancer three times. I could probably get it again, but it does that mean. I'M GONNA. Stop Living No. I I'm not I'm sorry I'm not gonNA. Stop Living Because I've had cancer three times. I'm not stop living because I have the cloud of cancer over my head, and I could get it again in die tomorrow. Okay I'M GONNA do. What I think is You know all these people that don't want to stay in contact tracing Don't want to wear the mask. Wearing. The mask is responsible. Contact tracing tyranny. I'm sorry it just is. We don't need a Stasi at when go read about the Stasi in Berlin in the east block. All about about. We don't need it Edwin. We are the United States of America. We don't need it. So. This is what's bothering me is this is the hill that we choose to die on? Freedoms. We this is the hill. Choose to die on, or this is the. This is the hill we choose to live on. Why don't we live to make men free rather than die to make men free? Let's live to make men free. But. It's live. It's live our lives. That's not. It's crawl into a hole in die because we're scared. I've been through Edwin I know what it's like to be in that despair. Where you think that you're going to die, you're and every aching pain you get, means you have cancer? It doesn't it means you need to get on with your life? You'll may times. I went to the emergency room after I was diagnosed the third time and I had my surgery. I went a lot to the hospital all the time. Until I got to the point where I got tired of going to the hospital, and the doctor said there's nothing wrong with you. Get on with your life. Eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one one. We'll be back. I want to give you a few thoughts before I go. I know I wish I had more time to tell you about this, but here's the thing. I understand panic I enter I understand scary. UNDERSTAND WHY? Kobe, nineteenth scares everybody the reason why is because? You. Look at the predictability of deadly infection. But it's not absolute. Okay. There's a lot of randomly fallacy. It helps explain why people are scared because the morality statistics. They don't call calm your panicked, so all you hear about his death and death and death in depth and depth and people think the covid nineteen is a death sentence. It isn't a death sentence and never has been a death sentence. But the randomly valley is what scares people. Cohen Nineteen at least currently. It's different. Because while public health officials insisted it can be mitigated by avoiding crowds, frequent hand, washing and wearing masks, but These actions are hardly guaranteeing that it's going to stop it. Okay, the underlying science and we're getting here I. Mean when you listen what Cuomo had to say a while back, he says well two thirds of those admitted to hospitals there were per official decrease of quarantine by staying home got corona virus so only a small percentage worked away from home and they didn't get it. So once again. Who are we trusting year? It's about randomly Falotti see. Potential unknown dangers lurked everywhere, and even if the actual hazardous exceedingly remote. Yeah, you barricade yourself. Where has man suit and you may order your meals, but there's always that moment were type Lloyd Mary's going to show up and deposit a pizza box on your doorstep. Be loaded with corona, virus, so you stop eating pizza because of it because they're delivering it to. Your door doesn't mean it's guaranteed. I mean look. Your non medical grade mask only protects. Not Vice versa. So the infected person who jogs past you in the park, maybe a killer and you don't even know it. I mean you can't banish a spouse or a child or grandma or GRANDPA H night. Because you're afraid. They're going to bring the smallpox home or the chicken pox. Oh, you can't do that. Keep in mind that it will be months. And in fact, now they're saying won't go away at all. So given the millions of possible opportunities for infection. Only one single incident could be deadly one. So the panic is about randomly, not about whether or not. You're going to get it because everybody may get it one time in their life. And thing. There is only one way. And the most effective solution to cure corona virus secure that is to escape from the fear of it. Okay. So. You need to remember that. Escaped from the fear of it understand the predictability belief -ality understand that there is not absolute incidents of death with Kobe nineteen there. He's not if the world health. Organization is telling you. This is GonNa be with US forever. You can't banish grandma GRANDPA. He can't banish the kids. You can't stop living your life. You just can't. A, into. Swine, flu H, one N One. Last year we had eight thousand deaths from the flu alone over probably GonNa hit one hundred thousand. With Kogo Nineteen. But. It doesn't mean the incident is the finality. It's randomly. Falotti need to keep that in mind randomly valley. There's always that chance that you're going to die from this. Or something else because the unknown dangers everywhere you go. Everyone you meet could spread something to you even if it's the flu aids whatever it may be. and. We never had the fear until we had the death tolls put in front of us every day of our lives. Escape the media listen to common sense. It's not dangerous to speak the truth. Is Dangerous to tell you. Live your life. please. I'm Clyde Lewis. You're listening to Ground Zero.

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Georgia State Trooper Charged With Murder After Fatal Traffic Stop Shooting of Black Man

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Georgia State Trooper Charged With Murder After Fatal Traffic Stop Shooting of Black Man

"Georgia state trooper charged with murder after fatal traffic stop shooting of Black Man by Russ Bynum for the Associated Press in Savannah Georgia. A Georgia state trooper was fired and charged with murder. Friday a week after he shot a sixty year old man who allegedly tried to flee a rural traffic stop authorities said the president of Georgia's N. Double ACP chapter called the slaying of Julian. Edward Roosevelt Louis another chilling example of a black man being killed unlawfully by a white law enforcement officer. An attorney for Lewis is family said the trooper initiated the traffic stop over? A. burned-out light and Louis was shot almost immediately after the trooper forced his car into a ditch Mr Lewis never got out of the vehicle and the investigation will show that mere seconds after the crash he was shot to death shot in the face and killed attorney. Francis Johnson said Lewis was a carpenter who recently helped a local ministry finish a construction project Johnson said, he said Lewis's wife told him her husband didn't own gun. Johnson said that information was given to the family by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which arrested twenty-seven-year-old Jacob. Gordon. Thomson on charges of felony murder and aggravated assault. Friday. The agency didn't include those details in its own statement on Thompson's arrest the G. I said Lewis was fatally shot August seventh after a chase in rural screen county about sixty miles northwest of Savannah Thomson had tried to pull over. A car for a traffic violation when the driver tried to flee the Gbi I said in a news release, the agency said the trooper chased the vehicle down several country roads before performing a maneuver that forced the car to come to a stop in a ditch. At some point. Afterward, Thomson fired a single gun shot that hit Louis killing him the G. B. I said, the was not injured. G. B. I. spokeswoman Nelly Miles confirmed that Lewis was black and the trooper was white but she declined to comment further on the case Richard Maller District Attorney for the judicial circuit that includes scrubbing county did not immediately return a phone message the Georgia. Department of Public Safety said it fired Thomson. After he was charged Friday he'd been a trooper for the Georgia state patrol since two thousand, thirteen thompsons attorney Keith Barbour declined to comment on specifics of the case. But said, he believes the former trooper has an excellent character I. Think he's a Fine Trooper Barbara said I think at. The end of the day, he will be exonerated. In this case, the trooper was charged amid a national outcry over racial injustice after George Floyd died beneath. Minneapolis police officers knee in. May in Georgia authorities also recently charged three white men in the fatal shooting of Almond arbitrary as he ran through their neighborhood as well as two white police officers in the shooting of Ray Chard Brooks. After he tried to flee a DUI arrest, no one should have to bury a loved one simply because of a busted tail light said the Reverend James Woodall president of the Georgia N. double. ACP. Of Racial profiling, we are not necessarily happy right now. Yes the man was arrested, but we're done dying Johnson said, Lewis's wife Betty Lewis learned of the troopers arrest as she left the funeral home after making final arrangements for her husband's graveside service Saturday she fell to her knees Jansen said she said this is a step towards justice.

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The Wake

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The Wake

"Take a look at the list of scenarios in front of you. I you'll select which one you want to tackle. You'll get a briefing your expert policy advice and vote on what you do the experts themselves but you have to. You're listening to audio taken at the Bush Presidential Library and Museum in Dallas Texas. It's from Decision Points. Theater an interactive exhibit at the Museum. More like a video game really in it. You can choose one of four crises. At Bush experience in a Thomas President Saddam Hussein the Iraq war troop surge. The financial crisis chose Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Katrina today right. There's no no water no elected. In this scenario the main decision the audience as opposed to make is whether sending federal troops that law enforcement power basically the militarize the city and declared in a state of insurrection and there are actors on screen playing your advisers central troops in right away. I mean cities resources are overwhelmed. The police cannot cope with vices and Americans are facing lawlessness and chaos news alerts break in as a fake advisors. Talk hyping up. The tension New Orleans Disease Homeland Security Chief says there are days of our men movie around to see gangs snipers lawlessness sitting in the simulation. You might be forgiven if you thought. The flood wasn't the main problem. Getting shot at officers. They say the whole thing is designed to put you in a pressure cooker. You're bombarded with information images of chaos. Fill the screen. You have to make a decision. Do you federalize a response. You send armed troops in. Do you send food to the Convention. Center. Time's up today. And regardless of what you picked the president comes on to tell you what he decide when Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in two thousand five. I chose to send several truce without law enforcement authority. It became clear during the crisis that local and state officials were overwhelmed and that the governor of the state was not going to relate to the federal government so I sent seven thousand federal troops into New Orleans but did not give them the ability to act as law enforcement officers. I decided the sending in federal troops with the minister was better than sending in federal troops at all. It was what the crisis require and help restore order in the city. And that's pretty much it. It's a strange exhibit mostly for what it doesn't say it doesn't talk about the fallout from Katrina. How his inaction became part of his legacy in his book decision points. The president does go a bit further than the exhibit. Does he has a whole chapter on Katrina in it. He says that the fallout from the storm haunted his second term that accusations of racism during Katrina with a low point of his presidency. He also writes quote. The problem was not that I made the wrong decision. It was that I took too long to decide. I wanted to ask him about all this. About what taking accountability for the disaster should like and whether he felt he'd done it the note I got back read quote. President Bush is enjoying retirement and is not currently participating interviews. We made multiple requests. Who is chief of Staff Andy Card and to a Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff? Neither of them responded many of the other officials who might be able to give some explanation of what went wrong aren't available to talk governor Blanco dot a few days before the fourteenth anniversary storm in two thousand nineteen wrote letters to former mayor Ray Nagin. He's in federal prison in Texas on corruption charges. He never wrote back. But there is one government official. Who wanted to talk to you all right? How good Michael Braille Michael Brown? Better known as Brown Again I wanNA thank you all for and Brownie. You're doing a heck of a job. Yep Brownie you're doing a heck of a job or whatever and slaps me in the Gut and I think Michael was head of FEMA when Katrina hit. He was eager to talk but he had one condition. He didn't want to interview over the phone. He wanted to talk in person. I like the challenge. The challenge anything. I'M GONNA Roast. You know I'm here. I'm here for the challenge and to be brutally honest to. I'm here because you can never correct the record enough because the narrative is out there. You've done your homework. You've googled my name. You know the stories that are out there. You'RE NOT GONNA do this face to face part eight. The Wake Michael Brown has an interesting resume. I'll give you the highlights. He grew up in small town. Oklahoma Tornado Alley. He served on the city council. Went to law. School had an unsuccessful run for Congress. Then he got another Gig. Commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. He says they wanted an outsider to come in and deal with corruption. And if you're wondering what corruption looks like in the Arabian horse breeding world. I was wondering the same thing. Are you ready for this? Let's go? They perform cosmetic surgery on the horse. Like liposuction liposuction. You change the color the shape of the eyeballs. You make it. The most perfect horseshoe can imagine. Wow so it's like an instagram horse. Bingo so any way Michael. Join the Horse Association. He had no experience with horses. The Michael Brown likes the challenge. I'll tell you what my wife says. I think she's absolutely. This is hard for me to admit. I think she's right. I like to push the envelope. Push too far. He spent about a decade at the Horse Association but eventually chose leave. He says the breeders unlike him challenging them. The next bullet point on a resume is FEMA. After George W. Bush became president. He named his former campaign manager and chief of staff all as director of FEMA JOE's an Oklahoma Guide to he no Michelson College when Joe needed a right hand man he gave Michael the call. Joe said I need somebody I can trust. So Michael became famous general counsel but after nine eleven congress created the Department of Homeland Security and put Fema under it that meant the FEMA had reported. Dhs not the president. After that Joe all bought left and Michael Brown became director in charge of the whole thing. So I got this bird my saddle that we're GONNA do Freakin catastrophic disaster. Planning the first acid a plan for was the big one in New Orleans a year before Katrina female ran a role playing exercise. Try to figure out what would happen. If a category three hurricane hit the city they came up with some useful plans. The Michael Thought. Overall the whole thing was a failure. Coordination between different layers of local state and national actors. Just didn't exist. He was also worried about FEMA BEING UNDER D H S. He thought too much. Bureaucracy was going to slow down females ability to respond to disasters and he thought. Dhs's focused on terrorism was overshadowing femurs mission. He says he tried to bring this concern to the president. One day he was riding with Bush and his limo. He gave it a shot president. I'm really concerned about the h s kind of the culture and stuff. We need to change and before I could finish. He looked at me and said I've fixed that any set in such a way that I knew. Okay now this. I'm not going to push list. You're your guy who pushes the envelope. You listen and challenge. Why not listen in challenge president if have you ever sat in the Limo? The most powerful man in the world can't they have and he turns to you and he sternly tells you I have fixed that yeah I don't know what it's like to limit what the President and Michael Brown does. That's why I wanted to talk to him. I wanted to know what it was like that week. What the people in charge were thinking and doing Kanye West and plenty other. People had figured that officials just didn't care about black people but was that true. Even if it wasn't why didn't they do more to help people? How could they have seen people suffering at the Convention Center and not even a knowledge there so I asked Michael Brown the walk me through the week decision by decision? Starting with the Moment Katrina Crossover Southern Florida and started heading toward New Orleans. That's when I start to panic you start panicking idea. I start to panic. It's going to be my worst fear. I'm worried because I know if it goes up the mouth of the Mississippi and hits New Orleans I know that people are GonNa die or likely to die and I know the response is going to be not the best. It can be yes. I'm worried about that but I'm also worried that if this is truly the worst that can be. I know. It's a disaster for you personally. Who's going to get the? Who's going to get the blame? Feces Rolls Downhill. Michael was desperate as the storm approached. He send emails with jokes about wanting to resign. He wanted everyone to evacuate the city. But he couldn't make the call mayor Nagin at two and he was dragging his feet so on conference calls with officials in through the media. Michael tried to scare everyone in action with the worst case scenarios. In your mind what was the worst thing the levees would break? My press secretary was instructed. You find every freaking outlet that I can talk to so that I can tell them that. I think this is going to be really bad and that you need to get the hell out of dodge. You told going to breach. No I didn't know I. There's a fine line between I'm never going to say to somebody. I think levies are going to breach. I'M NOT GONNA say that I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA panic. People would panic not have been a little bit a little bit of panic been useful in this case you know in hindsight hindsight. Now you're asking me to look backward left the whole show but looking backward I might have I might have said. I fear the levees break by Saturday morning. The mayor and the governor still hadn't called for mandatory evacuation. So Michael called the president he asked Bush to put pressure on local officials. Bush made the call and negative Blanco. Did eventually call that evacuation on Sunday. Most of the city left and at least some of that's due to Michael Brown but the people left behind. Were going to eat somewhere to go. Mayor Nagin wanted that place. It'd be the Superdome and Michael hated that plan. I through V on the conference call because I'm holding the engineering report that says the Dome can't withstand a category three let alone category five that you know the roofs blown off. Its don't do this. Don't do it. But then when he announced that he was going to do it then then I ordered supplies in fell the. If you have any new report that says this building can't withstand the storm that's coming and people going. There should have stopped them from going there. What's what's the role because I guess the worst case didn't happen right till the worst case did happen. Think about the shock of a single mother with a baby who for whatever reason not judgmental for whatever reason evacuate but here's that she can go to the superdome and be safe because that's what they are told. She takes her baby and she goes there. There's power for a little bit and then it goes dark and then the roof bows off and now the storms blowing in and I'm not going to accept responsibility for that because I told I told that governor and I told that mayor this engineering report says do not do this point. Take your your question. I'm asking why didn't I do something what happening? That woman's mind right right. She let me ask this thing. I'm curious What would you have had me? Do you have access to the most powerful person in the world point take. I've never been asked this question and I've never thought about this. I could call Bush back and said I need you to go on TV and tell people don't go to the superdome. The problem with that is I think through it but I tell them to do what I tell the president to tell them to do. 'cause it's too late to evacuate you. See the conundrum I do see the conundrum where where people go still even acknowledging that and how difficult all the decisions were after Katrina. I kept wondering by. Couldn't we just get stuff done? I couldn't the people leading response cut through the red tape. Why couldn't they use the most powerful bully pulpit in the world to move people and Supplies? Those all became even more pressing concerns when people started going to the Convention Center. Three days after the storm. Dhs Secretary Michael Chertoff went on NPR. He said he wasn't even aware of the thousands of people who had gathered there in three different interviews that same day. Michael Brown's that he just learned about turning the folks at the Convention Center didn't have food and water until today are you. You had no idea they were completely cut off Paulo. The federal government did not even know about the Convention Center people until today we could so many people have missed that people were thousands of people at the biggest building outside the superdome in the city. We didn't go on. We knew they were there. When was it so I'm trying to how? How long do you know? After the new norm I knew immediately immediately. I I knew that night that people have broken into the Convention Center. The thing about the convinced that drives me nuts is the Ted Koppel who else I did like three interviews in a row where I said we just learned about the Convention Center. Well in my head we had just learned about the Convention Center but having just learned about the Convention Center was actually forty six hours ago. It wasn't just them in right. I'm not criticizing in my head. Having not slept yes we just learned about it. So explain to me as if I'm a person in the Convention Center if I get there Tuesday explain to me why there is no real federal presence until Thursday Friday. There is no explanation for it other than I think. By that point. The system is overwhelmed. I think we have this unrealistic expectation that this massive federal bureaucracy can just instantaneously do stuff and it just cannot where the rubber meets the road for me is what is unreasonable. Here is is it. I mean maybe it is unreasonable truck. Lamar eason there. But is it unreasonable to for somebody to come and say we see you're here or we're gonNA come get you? You can walk from the Superdome to the Convention Center. Nobody Wachter tried to make it in the thirty six hours. That just seems like we're acting like this is excusable. I know but but when it comes to food and supplies it is kind of notion. Well not that. I'm not saying the acknowledgement. We're GONNA come. I think the acknowledgement piece. I think you're right. I think you're right on that one. I think you're absolutely right and I think that's a great lesson to be learned. Is We always talk about in the corporate world government? What is communication communication communication? Right number. One thing you're supposed to do. I don't think we did a very good job. I think we were so In our own heads about the response then when it came to things like press relations media relations acknowledgments as you call them. I think we completely dropped the ball. How much of a part of your job is that? People being informed and having the information to make decisions is it not a major part of say the FEMA director's job. Yes if they didn't get it. Was that failure on your part absolutely. I think the failure to use the media and to do the kinds of things that you're talking about I I like your word acknowledgement. I've ever apologized. What do you want me to apologize for? Well you said you made mistakes. Yeah isn't that. Isn't that an apology. I love you want. I'm sorry I made these mistakes. I don't know I'm just asking if you feel like there's no no no I I find that fascinating because clearly by admitting your mistakes you're telling the world I mean you're you're you're opening the Komodo up to the world and saying you know what I I messed up this this this this. I did this this and this right your conclusion than is okay. At the end of that line of good and bad make an apology. I think the part of an apology for me is I did X Y and Z. Bad a see how it contributed to the suffering in your life. An I knowledge that we did that at least from my perspective. I felt we did that. you don't seem convinced the difficulty. I'm having is when we talk about the Convention Center especially we have reason. We talked to a girl who's fourteen. Who thought she was going to die right right? And you think you're going to die and there was somebody there who could have prevented at least that feeling which is a terrible thing for teenager. Feel right the apology for me would be. We made mistakes. We understand that it made you feel abandoned. Here's how we plan to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm with you all the way up to. Here's how we plan to make sure it doesn't happen again which I have no control now if she needs if she needs somebody to say. I'm sorry I'll say that to her. I'm sorry that you felt that way. I'm sorry that we didn't do what we could have done to take away. That fear I would also talk to her about. I don't think we could take your fear away. You may have found comforting for a moment but considering how disaster response works. I don't want to give her a false hope that somewhere in the future. Maybe not her in particular this is going to. This is going to happen again. The nature of the beast. The woman referring to her name is Leeann highly before you before we leave that If I can get Americans to think about risk and tell them honestly that when that proverbial feces hits the fan you may be fearful for your life and there's nothing that anybody can do about that. The government is not going to be there the minute it happens. I may not be there for a day depending on how bad it is so you tell the and I'm sorry but you tell Leeann that her responsibility is to understand the nature of the risk where she lives and be prepared for it knowing that. Somebody's logo come. The Shining Knight in armor is not GonNa come and rescue her in fear set sail. We know we've been of you quite a few people and it seems that the experience of being of of a delay of not having helped come when you think it's GonNa come of having that manifest as betrayal right and I think what we saw with lots of people saw that betrayal along the lines of the ways. They've been portrayed before and so you got a black city and they experience betrayal is right. How do you process that I know what my heart in my heart? I did not I did not I do not. I was raised by two incredible parents to see people as humans and while I understand to the best that I can't as as as a Caucasian while I understand the plight of people in the lower ninth ward or people that are predominantly black angers me when when people keep bringing up racist there was there was there was not one decision not one movement. Not There was nothing not a Scintilla of anything of racism in what me my staff or the people that are the career. Civil Servants of FEMA did that was based on race. And I find it offensive. Nothing I find it offensive that you bring it up. I find it offensive that there are people out there who want to think that because it's just not true. I think if we're continuing this exercise of inhabiting these people you've talked to the stories of folks who went through this just wondering if you might understand why somebody who has those pieces of evidence course. I know trust me I understand. Okay do do. I think that systemic racism exists in this country. You be naive not to think so you and I are both your black man. I'm a white man. We both know bits of our friends. But we both know bigoted people. We both know racist people one way that we have seen people talk about how they saw. Racism or bias manifest was in the descriptions of crime or looting. And all that stuff happening during Katrina in your book you said it was a situation at sometimes seem to kinder- going to zoo opening all the cages and telling the Predator they were on the honor system. Now you know it seems in Your Book. You were lamenting that leasing. It didn't have a shoot to kill order or that. They weren't issuing some hard-line denunciations of looters. How do you reconcile that with? Essentially we know a lot of reports. Were racially biased. Or they they weren't really. We didn't have confirmation. We heard all sorts of rumors. Rapes murders muggings. Everything and I I could never get good ground-based knowledge of what was going on because the New Orleans police department had utterly disintegrated just disintegrated. But yes I do believe if you're looting in a disaster area to feed your family I don't care I think you and I both what you can do. Whatever it takes if you're losing in a disaster or in a riot or whatever to grab a TV. I don't necessarily. You should lose your life because I'll be consequences consequences. Grab them throw their ass in jail just back though if if what I see as a Black Guy. Who has you know? had a couple of run. Ins with the law. What I see here is an. I can't help but see it as a confirmation of of things that I suspected to be true right which is which is you. You see the moment the lights go out somewhere near you have crime that is real but you also have people using this as an opportunity to paint whole seat of black people as being violent and being uniquely criminal folks saying that based on these reports. These folks are sort of deserving of being shot on sight and I think that's what in your book you're kind of. You're saying they were soft. Yeah they were soft. Bow Think you extract. I don't think you can extrapolate but shoot on sight but that was Haley. Barbour said we're going to shoot them on Sight Haley. Barbour said they're gonNA shoot them on sight. Michael Brown say we're GONNA shoot them on sight. You praised Haley. Barbour in the book really Barbara did a fantastic job of responding to the disaster. Yes responding by saying they were going to shoot people inside my general response to Haley Barbour into Bob Reilly is they did a fantastic job. I'm not going to justify Haley. Barbour shoot to kill. Am I going to justify I spent six hours with Michael Brown? He was generous and he answered every question. The show's producers Alvin. Catherine kept asking. We wanted to take a break. Get some coffee. He wouldn't no no no. I willing to keep going keep going. He admitted to getting some stuff wrong. But it seemed like it was harder for him to talk about responsibility. Beyond that you in Twenty fifteen you you wrote the politico article about stop blaming you. Joe Seems like you've admitted to a lot of things. We should blame me for today. But stop blaming me. Did I make mistakes? Absolutely is everything that went wrong. Katrina my fault. Not In the least he wasn't going to take all the blame for Katrina and if he sounds overly define about it. I think it's because he has a case to me. He really was made a scapegoat. Two weeks after the storm after the heck of a job Brownie comment and lots of negative media coverage he reside even after he was gone. Famous struggle to manage a response. There were racial disparities and aid money and in who got help at all poor folks got stuck with trailers full of Formaldehyde. Sounding get trailers at all. Those things were out of Michael Brown's control but they still contributed to how he was painted and competent. Best an Avatar of racist indifference at worst. It's a perception. He hasn't really shaken. He is still the face of the failure of Katrina and it's not like he the presidential library to wash away sent. I joke with my kids. You and your dad was. His obituary was never going to be in the New York Times Open. It will be now and it was an an and the New York Times headline will be Heckler job. Brownie dies at the age of ninety two. We had a long day talking. Our producers gave the signal. Wrap everything up but Michael tried to explain himself one more time I know. These microphones are still on I think the thing that has thrown me the greatest Lucas curve ball is the whole apology thing. I mean I understand from another person's perspective. I totally get that. I struggle with and I know you. You're not going to answer the question but it's like what do people want me to pudge for. The paradox of Michael Brown seems to be this all of his efforts to defend themselves to not be made a scapegoat. They seem to make it impossible for him to perform empathy. D- understand why apology from him. Might mean something. And maybe that's a a blind spot of mine very well could be either a blind spot or an unwillingness. Maybe we should have known that we weren't going to get that from Michael Brown. There wasn't GonNa be an easy answer. No matter how long we talked we would just ask them the same question in different ways. I think what I'm asking is. I'm wondering if your experience if you how much you think about the experience with people who went through it it sounds like of course you do your there But do you relate to or understand that experience? Do you feel a kind of empathy with it or indignant on their behalf. I get really emotional about this. Like getting national about it because When you're when you're portrayed if you had dinner with a friend last night telling me about this interview and. I told him that you know not nervous about it but I'm really curious about the line of questioning and the tone of the questioning and everything and his comment to me. Was this amount of ages. Just beat a caring person that you are in a thing that drives me the thing that bothers me. The thing that bothers me the most are the people. Think I don't care. Thank you so much. 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She works so many double shifts that we had trouble fitting in our schedule but we managed so we are back. Yes you probably sick of us. Many we sat and talked about the city. How you can still see Katrina in some places what life would be like if it hadn't happened. Oh my head think about the old eternal all deter thank you would be better outer graduated for give but again the top of my class. I would add order. Would help be was college applications? That everyday I don't know is like Africa. I just had this drive like before Katrina. Just hey my whole I want to do is I'm going to be the first to. I'm going to register for guys like I just had this drive this this just bright light and it's just like it's just That there has anybody ever apologize to. You know now. What would you do if somebody did if somebody I don't know from like the top came out and said I'm sorry I from what happened like the The I'm sorry for happened to you. Qatar united in that attack after forty years would really get here. Do you know Michael Brown Brownie. The chief of famous Brownie. Heck of a job Brownie with the glass. You heard about what did you think of? It's like a lot of people to know what they were doing away. I was confused. You GET A job. You're not president. Bush you heated Renault. What do how about a president and you can't even have the national disaster oversee our country for staff. We asked him about the Convention Center and about why they couldn't get there and we we talked about some of it and we kinda wanted to let you listen to it and see what you made. Brag. I let me hear this let me. We gave her some headphones and sat there while she listened who he thought. Okay took Omar Guy. Oh my God when he say my name is just like. Oh you like him like tolkien directly to me like saying sorry like some can't be like what I hear like talking to me. I don't know either. We didn't know what to make. It feel like it's crazy like I'm like I don't i. Don't care about them apology. But y'all toothy our say you know. I'm sorry I'm sorry like telling me. I'm sorry how to like the board that he when he was saying my name and talk to me made me feel like Amana. The end had to wonder in his last fifteen years while this happened. If the reason she got screwed was because someone was racist or mean or incompetent or just didn't care about people like her. She's had to wonder if the people in power ever saw her at all. Michael Brown feels like. He's a scapegoat when he dies. He'll be the Katrina God. And maybe that's not fair but even being a scapegoat means that people know who you are that you mattered as crazy. We doing that. He's over dealing woman would know national disasters as started talking. I was like a guy. Just shut. Why are you talking? 'cause he was just when. I came on like what am I saying? I'm sorry for like rain. Make me understand what I'm saying? I'm sorry for the naming. I'm a meeting that I did something wrong. So don't feel like you did nothing wrong but tell day you know next. Time is not going to be a knight in shining armor coming in gummy rescuers. Worst Orlando was like. Why would you say yeah instead of having them up treat like those guns they should have been down there trying to help us get? Ain't they train all that stuff to go. Try to get food and stuff like day while they were doing but they weren't by putting guns on us was that part of the way they really had a CD play. You know what I really Africa truly is when I really started to notice day how America actually for me. I was always in north. Carolina and Katrina was the first time I saw somewhere else. Who are yet. That was crazy. I just saw race matter in Michael. Way that Yeah I've seen I knew people who are racist like my whole life. I seen I grew up with mostly black folks but I knew of white people who had the confederate flag. Whatever but like Katrina. The first time I saw something that happened to a whole group of people who look like me and it was because they look like yeah. Yeah that was crazy. I think killers. 'cause we blacked under regular we refugees. Nobody complicated you look around just black people babies. Everybody just crying. They won't help. This may bushy telling us at the covey out of my gadgets. Don't understand Yeah it's been a long time since Katrina. Lots of people don't really like talking about the levees broke and I get that they want to move on. They don't want some out of town. Journalists asking them over and over again about a bad time in their lives there are good things now. There are great things and we should talk about them. After the Dan Zuckerberg shootings the family sued the Department and revealed the cover up. Their fight helped advance department. Wide Criminal Justice reforms in two thousand eighteen. The city had a record low of four shootings by police officers. There's new businesses shiny new airport cool scene for young people tourists every day life. New Orleans defies all. The people said. It shouldn't come back for couldn't come back but I don't know if I would call that recovery recovery means that things are back to normal but things ain't back to normal that is different. I'm just where it. Kp take the beach and is crazy. Because I'm doing that but still you know have enough to help my mom. You know address. I don't know but I make away after we were done talking. Leonidas out to the Levy by replace. It's right across the street from her apartment. She comes out here with a friend daughter to loose talk down and we get some ACRI. We feel you walked up a hill and up to a fence and you can look out over the lake and when you look at the Slavi what do you see our enemy. We surrounded by water. Relieve inaudible is beautiful also daily. This is what can destroy my city. What destroy my city. I don't think you'll be here years to come. I'm just saying Johnny why we here but my daughter's kids and daycare is probably not gonNA be anything eventually. Don't be and when I just look at it. It makes me really think about that. We're not gonna be alone is crazy. There's no way in the world rather be in. Yeah I love it. It's my home is my home. I love New Orleans to Arizona Texas Mississippi after Katrina nothing like Orleans. Things like New Orleans. Tony Morrison once said all water has a perfect memory and his forever trying to get back to where it was. She was talking about the Mississippi River. People might try to forget the past. But maybe the water remembers has elapsed away at the wetlands. Maybe it remembers as it rises a little higher and swallows more and more communities on the coast. Maybe it remembers as a levy sink a little more. Maybe the water is waiting to betray us again because the betray also means to expose the true energy. That's California's deadliest in Bergen. One destruction as far as the I one hundred percent Puerto Rico without the mayor of San Law now saying people are starting to be back to the nineteen twenty seven win. The flood came folks platforms in eighteen fifty. Six last island. Louisiana was destroyed. It was cleaved by the hurricane broken into pieces and in slowly reclaimed by the salt. And the waves. You would know now that it was a vacation spot that the sons and daughters of the American slave accuracy tempted fate there or that a man named Richard had tried to warn them about what was coming. I think I figured out. Why keep thinking about Richard? It's because he didn't have the luxury of denial. He saw clearly what the slave owners tried to ignore. We are all on and the pass will always find. Its way back to us. Cough being another country incoming my daughter have to go through but I went through games. Took him from her friends living here now so I will be in the same position. My Mom and dad was so you still to this day. I don't know how they felt as parent. I'm telling you we just kinda sweep it under the road. Fourteen years we never really told bike to each other. Like a how you feel about mom how you feel. It's it's Katrina. Are you doing fine Monday? After we leave government because we never gonNA go by phone Televi- images eggs walked across the street and then went home. Bloodlines is the production of the Atlantic. The show was reported and produced by me and Allen. Our Executive Producer is Katharine Weld. Katie Reykdal editorial advisor archival production research by Kevin Townsend. Editing Scott's docile production assistance from Emily Gottschalk Marconi miles poythress and Kayla fellow. Fact Checking by William Brennan Music by Christians. Got A tune Daduwa Anthony. Braxton SOUND DESIGN. Mix An additional music by David Herman Art Direction by Paul Speller. We are very much indebted to a group of first listeners. Who made this product? 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"Take a look at the list of scenarios in front of you. I you'll select which one you want to tackle. You'll get a briefing your expert policy advice and vote on what you do the experts themselves but you have to. You're listening to audio taken at the Bush Presidential Library and Museum in Dallas Texas. It's from Decision Points. Theater an interactive exhibit at the Museum. More like a video game really in it. You can choose one of four crises. At Bush experience in a Thomas President Saddam Hussein the Iraq war troop surge. The financial crisis chose Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Katrina today. You Know Water Nola. In this scenario the main decision the audience as opposed to make is whether sending federal troops that law enforcement power basically the militarize the city and declared in a state of insurrection and there are actors on screen playing your advisers central troops in right away. I mean cities resources are overwhelmed. The police cannot cope with vices and Americans are facing lawlessness and chaos news alerts break in as a fake advisors talk hyping up the tension New Orleans Disease Homeland Security. Chief says there are days of our men movie around to see gangs snipers lawlessness sitting in the simulation. You might be forgiven if you thought. The flood wasn't the main problem. Getting shot at officers. They say the whole thing is designed to put you in a pressure cooker. You're bombarded with information images of chaos. Fill the screen. You have to make a decision. Do you federalize a response. You send armed troops in. Do you send food to the Convention. Center. Time's up today. And regardless of what you picked the president comes on to tell you what he decide when Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in two thousand five I chose to send federal troops without law enforcement authority. It became clear during the crisis that local and state officials were overwhelmed and that the governor of the state was not going to relate to the federal government so I sent seven thousand federal troops into New Orleans but did not give them the ability to act as law enforcement officers. I decided the sending in federal troops with the minister was better than sending in federal troops at all. It was what the crisis require and help restore order in the city. And that's pretty much it. It's a strange exhibit mostly for what it doesn't say it doesn't talk about the fallout from Katrina. How his inaction became part of his legacy in his book decision points. The president does go a bit further than the exhibit. Does he has a whole chapter on Katrina in it. He says that the fallout from the storm haunted his second term that accusations of racism during Katrina with a low point of his presidency. He also writes quote. The problem was not that I made the wrong decisions. It was that I took too long to decide. I wanted to ask him about all this. About what taking accountability for the disaster should like and whether he felt he'd done it the note I got back read quote. President Bush is enjoying retirement and is not currently participating interviews. We made multiple requests. Who is chief of Staff Andy Card and to a Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff? Neither of them responded many of the other officials who might be able to give some explanation of what went wrong aren't available to talk governor Blanco dot a few days before the fourteenth anniversary of the storm in two thousand nineteen wrote letters to former mayor. Ray Nagin he's in federal prison in Texas on corruption charges. He never wrote back. But there is one government official. Who wanted to talk to you? All right how good Michael Braille Michael Brown better known as Brown Again I wanNA thank you all for and Brownie. You're doing a heck of a job. Yep Brownie you're doing a heck of a job or whatever and slaps me in the Gut and I think Michael was head of FEMA when Katrina hit. He was eager to talk but he had one condition. He didn't want to interview over the phone. He wanted to talk in person. I like the challenge. The challenge anything. I'M GONNA Roast. You know I'm here. I'm here for the challenge and to be brutally honest to. I'm here because you can never correct the record enough because the narrative is out there. You've done your homework. You've googled my name. You know the stories that are out there. You'RE NOT GONNA do this face to face part eight. The Wake Michael Brown has an interesting resume. I'll give you the highlights. He grew up in small town. Oklahoma Tornado Alley. He served on the city council. Went to law. School had an unsuccessful run for Congress. Then he got another Gig. Commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. He says they wanted an outsider to come in and deal with corruption. And if you're wondering what corruption looks like in the Arabian horse breeding world. I was wondering the same thing. Are you ready for this? Let's go? They perform cosmetic surgery on the horse. Like liposuction liposuction. You change the color the shape of the eyeballs. You make it. The most perfect horseshoe can imagine. Wow so it's like an instagram horse. Bingo so any way Michael. Join the Horse Association. He had no experience with horses. The Michael Brown likes the challenge. I'll tell you what my wife says. I think she's absolutely. This is hard for me to admit. I think she's right. I like to push the envelope. Push too far. He spent about a decade at the Horse Association but eventually chose leave. He says the breeders unlike him challenging them. The next bullet point on a resume is FEMA. After George W. Bush became president. He named his former campaign manager and chief of staff all as director of FEMA JOE's an Oklahoma guy too. He no Michelson College when Joe needed a right hand man he gave Michael the call. Joe said I need somebody I can trust. So Michael became famous general counsel but after nine eleven congress created the Department of Homeland Security and put Fema under it that meant the FEMA had reported. Dhs not the president. After that Joe all bought left and Michael Brown became director in charge of the whole thing. So I got this bird my saddle that we're GONNA do Freakin catastrophic disaster. Planning the first acid a plan for was the big one in New Orleans a year before Katrina female ran a role playing exercise. Try to figure out what would happen. If a category three hurricane hit the city they came up with some useful plans. The Michael Thought. Overall the whole thing was a failure. Coordination between different layers of local state and national actors. Just didn't exist. He was also worried about FEMA BEING UNDER D H S. He thought too much. Bureaucracy was going to slow down females ability to respond to disasters and he thought. Dhs's focused on terrorism was overshadowing femurs mission. He says he tried to bring this concern to the president. One day he was riding with Bush and his limo. He gave it a shot president. I'm really concerned about the h s kind of the culture and stuff. We need to change and before I could finish. He looked at me and said I've fixed that any set in such a way that I knew. Okay now this. I'm not going to push list. You're your guy who pushes the envelope. You listen and challenge. Why not listen in challenge president if have you ever sat in the Limo? The most powerful man in the world can't they have and he turns to you and he sternly tells you I have fixed that yet I don't know what it's like to limit what the President and Michael Brown does. That's why I wanted to talk to him. I wanted to know what it was like that week. What the people in charge were thinking and doing Kanye West and plenty other. People had figured that officials just didn't care about black people but was that true. Even if it wasn't why didn't they do more to help people? How could they have seen people suffering at the Convention Center and not even a knowledge there so I asked Michael Brown the walk me through the week decision by decision? Starting with the Moment Katrina Crossover Southern Florida and started heading toward New Orleans. That's when I start to panic you start panicking idea. I start to panic. It's going to be my worst fear. I'm worried because I know if it goes up the mouth of the Mississippi and hits New Orleans I know that people are GonNa die or likely to die and I know the response is going to be not the best. It can be yes. I'm worried about that but I'm also worried that if this is truly the worst that can be. I know. It's a disaster for you personally. Who's going to get the? Who's going to get the blame? Feces Rolls Downhill. Michael was desperate as the storm approached. He send emails with jokes about wanting to resign. He wanted everyone to evacuate the city but he couldn't make the call. Mary negative too and he was dragging his feet so on conference calls with officials in through the media. Michael tried to scare everyone in action with the worst case scenarios. In your mind what was the worst thing the levees would break? My press secretary was instructed. You find every freaking outlet that I can talk to so that I can tell them that. I think this is going to be really bad and that you need to get the hell out of dodge. You told going to breach now. I don't know I there's a fine line between I'm never going to say to somebody. I think levies are going to breach. I'M NOT GONNA say that I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA panic. People would panic not have been a little bit a little bit of panic been useful in this case you know in hindsight hindsight. Now you're asking me to look backward left the whole show but looking backward I might have I might have said. I fear the levees break by Saturday morning. The mayor and the governor still hadn't called for mandatory evacuation. So Michael called the president he asked Bush to put pressure on local officials. Bush made the call and negative Blanco. Did eventually call that evacuation on Sunday. Most of the city left and at least some of that's due to Michael Brown but the people left behind. Were going to need somewhere to go. Mayor Nagin wanted that place. It'd be the Superdome and Michael hated that plan. I through V on the conference call because I'm holding the engineering report that says the Dome can't withstand a category three let alone category five that you know the roofs blown off. Its don't do this. Don't do it. But then when he announced that he was going to do it then then I ordered supplies in fell the. If you have a report that says this building can't withstand the storm that's coming and people going. There should have stopped them from going there. What's what's the role because I guess the worst case didn't happen right till the worst case did happen. Think about the shock of a single mother with a baby who for whatever reason not judgmental for whatever reason evacuate but here's that she can go to the superdome and be safe because that's what they are told. She takes her baby and she goes there. There's power for a little bit and then it goes dark and then the roof bows off and now the storms blowing in and I'm not going to accept responsibility for that because I told I told that governor and I told that mayor this engineering report says do not do this point. Take your your question. I'm asking why didn't I do something what happening? That woman's mind right right. She let me ask this thing. I'm curious What would you have had me? Do you have access to the most powerful person in the world point take. I've never been asked this question and I've never thought about this. I could call Bush back and said I need you to go on TV and tell people don't go to the superdome. The problem with that is I think through it but I tell them to do what I tell the president to tell them to do. 'cause it's too late to evacuate. Do you see the conundrum I do see the conundrum where where people go still even acknowledging that and how difficult all the decisions were after Katrina. I kept wondering by. Couldn't we just get stuff done? I couldn't the people leading response cut through the red tape. Why couldn't they use the most powerful bully pulpit in the world to move people and Supplies? Those all became even more pressing concerns when people started going to the Convention Center. Three days after the storm. Dhs Secretary Michael Chertoff went on NPR. He said he wasn't even aware of the thousands of people who had gathered there in three different interviews that same day. Michael Brown's that he just learned about turning the folks at the Convention Center didn't have food and water until today are you. You had no idea they were completely cut off Paulo. The federal government did not even know about the Convention Center people until today we could so many people have missed that people were thousands of people at the biggest building outside the superdome in the city. We didn't go on. We knew they were there. When was it so I'm trying to how? How long do you know? After the new norm I knew immediately immediately. I I knew that night that people have broken into the Convention Center. The thing about the convinced that drives me nuts is the Ted Koppel who else I did like three interviews in a row where I said we just learned about the Convention Center. Well in my head we had just learned about the Convention Center. Having just learned about the Convention Center was actually forty six hours ago. It wasn't just them in right. I'm not criticizing in my head. Having not slept yes we just learned about it. So explain to me as if I'm a person in the Convention Center if I get there Tuesday explain to me why there is no real federal presence until Thursday Friday. There is no explanation for it other than I think. By that point. The system is overwhelmed. I think we have this unrealistic expectation that this massive federal bureaucracy can just instantaneously do stuff and it just cannot where the rubber meets the road for me is what is unreasonable. Here is is it. I mean maybe it is unreasonable truck. Lamar eason there. But is it unreasonable to for somebody to come and say we see you're here or we're gonNA come get you? You can walk from the Superdome to the Convention Center. Nobody Wachter tried to make it in the thirty six hours. That just seems like we're acting like this is excusable what I know but but when it comes to food and supplies it is kind of an ocean. I'm not I'm not saying that acknowledgement. We're GONNA come. I think the acknowledgement piece. I think you're right. I think you're right on that one. I think you're absolutely right and I think that's a great lesson to be learned. Is We always talk about in the corporate world government? What is communication communication communication? Right number. One thing you're supposed to do. I don't think we did a very good job. I think we were so In our own heads about the response then when it came to things like press relations media relations acknowledgments as you call them. I think we completely dropped the ball. How much of a part of your job is that? People being informed and having the information to make decisions is it not a major part of say the FEMA director's job. Yes if they didn't get it. Was that failure on your part absolutely. I think the failure to use the media and to do the kinds of things that you're talking about I I like your word acknowledgement. I've ever apologized. What do you want me to apologize for? Well you said you made mistakes. Yeah isn't that. Isn't that an apology. I love you want. I'm sorry I made these mistakes. I don't know I'm just asking if you feel like there's no no no I I I find that fascinating because clearly by admitting your mistakes you're telling the world I mean you're you're you're opening the Komodo up to the world and saying you know what I I messed up this this this this I did this this and this right your conclusion than is okay at the end of that line of good and bad make an apology. I think the part of an apology for me is I did X Y Z. Bad a see how it contributed to the suffering in your life. An I knowledge that we did that at least from my perspective. I felt we did that. you don't seem convinced the difficulty. I'm having is when we talk about the Convention Center especially we have reason. We talked to a girl who's fourteen. Then who thought she was going to die right right? And you think you're going to die and there was somebody there who could have prevented at least that feeling which is a terrible thing for teenager. Feel right you're the apology for me would be. We made mistakes. We understand that it made you feel abandoned. Here's how we plan to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm with you all the way up to. Here's how we plan to make sure it doesn't happen again which I have no control now if she needs if she needs somebody to say. I'm sorry I'll say that to her. I'm sorry that you felt that way. I'm sorry that we didn't do what we could have done to take away that fear. Also talk to her about. I don't think we could take your fear away. You may have found comforting for a moment but considering how disaster response works. I don't want to give her a false hope that somewhere in the future. Maybe not her in particular this is going to. This is going to happen again. The nature of the beast. The woman referring to her name is Leeann highly before you before we leave that If I can get Americans to think about risk and tell them honestly that when that proverbial feces hits the fan you may be fearful for your life and there's nothing that anybody can do about that. The government is not going to be there the minute it happens it may not be there for a day depending on how bad it is so you tell the and. I'm sorry but you tell Leeann that her responsibility is to understand the nature of the risk where she lives and be prepared for it knowing that. Somebody's logo come. The Shining Knight in armor is not GonNa come and rescue her in fear set sail. We know we've been of you quite a few people and it seems that the experience of being of of a delay of not having helped come when you think it's GonNa come of having that manifest as betrayal right and I think what we saw with lots of people saw that betrayal along the lines of the ways. They've been portrayed before and so you got a black city and they experience betrayal is right. How do you process that I know what my heart in my heart? I did not I did not I do not. I was raised by two incredible parents to see people as humans and while I understand to the best that I can't as as as a Caucasian while I understand the plight of people in the lower ninth ward or people that are predominantly black angers me when when people keep bringing up racist there was there was there was not one decision. Not One movement. Not There was nothing Scintilla of anything of racism in what me my staff or the people that are the career. Civil Servants of FEMA did that was based on race. And I find it offensive. Nothing I find it offensive that you bring it up. I find it offensive that there are people out there who want to think that because it's just not true. I think if we're continuing this exercise of inhabiting these people you've talked to the stories of folks who went through this just wondering if you might understand why somebody who has those pieces of evidence course. I are not trust me I understand. Okay do do. I think that systemic racism exists in this country. You be naive not to think so you and I are both your black man. I'm a white man. We both know bits of our friends. But we both know bigoted people. We both know racist people one of the ways that we have seen people talk about how they saw. Racism or bias manifest was in the descriptions of crime or looting and all that stuff happening during Katrina in your book. You said it was a situation at sometimes seem to kinder- going to zoo opening all the cages and telling the Predator they were on the honor system. Now you know it seems in your book. You were lamenting that leasing. It didn't have a shoot to kill order or that. They weren't issuing some hard-line denunciations of looters. How do you reconcile that with? Essentially we know a lot of reports. Were racially biased. Or they they weren't really. We didn't have confirmation. We heard all sorts of rumors. Rapes murders muggings. Everything and I I could never get good ground-based knowledge of what was going on because the New Orleans police department had utterly disintegrated just disintegrated. But yes I do believe if you're looting in a disaster area to feed your family I don't care I think you and I both what you can do. Whatever it takes if you're losing in a disaster or in a riot or whatever to grab a TV. I don't necessarily. You should lose your life because I'll be consequences consequences. Grab them throw their ass in jail just back though if if what I see as a Black Guy. Who has you know? had a couple of run. Ins with the law. What I see here is an. I can't help but see it as a confirmation of of things that I suspected to be true right which is which is you. You see the moment the lights go out somewhere near you have crime that is real but you also have people using this as an opportunity to paint whole seat of black people as being violent and being uniquely criminal folks saying that based on these reports. These folks are sort of deserving of being shot on sight and I think that's what in your book you're kind of. You're saying they were soft. Yeah they were soft. Bow Think you extract. I don't think you can extrapolate but shoot on sight but that was Haley. Barbour said we're going to shoot them on Sight Haley. Barbour said they're gonNA shoot them on sight. Michael Brown say we're GONNA shoot them on sight. You praised Haley. Barbour in the book really Barbara did a fantastic job of responding to the disaster. Yes responding by saying they were going to shoot people inside my general response to Haley Barbour into Bob Reilly is they did a fantastic job. I'm not going to justify Haley. Barbour shoot to kill. Am I going to justify I spent six hours with Michael Brown? He was generous and he answered every question. The show's producers Alvin. Catherine kept asking. We wanted to take a break. Get some coffee. He wouldn't no no no. I willing to keep going keep going. He admitted to getting some stuff wrong. But it seemed like it was harder for him to talk about responsibility. Beyond that you in Twenty fifteen you you wrote the politico article about stop blaming you. Joe Seems like you've admitted to a lot of things. We should blame me for today. But stop blaming me. Did I make mistakes? Absolutely is everything that went wrong. Katrina my fault. Not In the least he wasn't going to take all the blame for Katrina and if he sounds overly define about it. I think it's because he has a case to me. He really was made a scapegoat. Two weeks after the storm after the heck of a job Brownie comment and lots of negative media coverage he reside even after he was gone. Famous struggle to manage a response. There were racial disparities and aid money and in who got help at all poor folks got stuck with trailers full of Formaldehyde. Sounding get trailers at all. Those things were out of Michael Brown's control but they still contributed to how he was painted and competent. Best an Avatar of racist indifference at worst. It's a perception. He hasn't really shaken. He is still the face of the failure of Katrina and it's not like he the presidential library to wash away sent. I joke with my kids. You and your dad was. His obituary was never going to be in the New York Times Open. It will be now and it was an an and the New York. Times headline will be heck of a job. Brownie dies at the age of ninety two. We had a long day talking. Our producers gave the signal. Wrap everything up but Michael tried to explain himself one more time I know. These microphones are still on I think the thing that has thrown me the greatest Lucas curve ball is the whole apology thing. I mean I understand from another person's perspective. I totally get that. I struggle with and I know you. You're not going to answer the question but it's like what do people want me to pudge for. The paradox of Michael Brown seems to be this all of his efforts to defend themselves to not be made a scapegoat. They seem to make it impossible for him to perform empathy. D- understand why apology from him. Might mean something. And maybe that's a a blind spot of mine very well could be either a blind spot or an unwillingness. Maybe we should have known that we weren't going to get that from Michael Brown. There wasn't GonNa be an easy answer. No matter how long we talked we would just ask them the same question in different ways. I think what I'm asking is. I'm wondering if your experience if you how much you think about the experience with people who went through it it sounds like of course you do your there But do you relate to or understand that experience? Do you feel a kind of empathy with it or indignant on their behalf. I get really emotional about this. Like getting national about it because When you're when you're portrayed if you had dinner with a friend last night telling me about this interview and. I told him that you know not nervous about it but I'm really curious about the line of questioning and the tone of the questioning and everything and his comment to me. Was this amount of ages. Just beat a caring person that you are in a thing that drives me the thing that bothers me. The thing that bothers me the most are the people. Think I don't care. Thank you so much. 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She works so many double shifts that we had trouble fitting in our schedule but we managed so we are back. Yes you probably sick of us. Many we sat and talked about the city. How you can still see Katrina in some places what life would be like if it hadn't happened. Oh my had think about the old eternal all deter thank you would be better outer graduated for give but again the top of my class. I would add order. Would help be was college applications? That everyday I don't know is like Africa. I just had this drive like before Katrina. Just hey my whole I want to do is I'm going to be the first to. I'm going to register for guys like I just had this drive this this just bright light and it's just like it's just That there has anybody ever apologize to. You know now. What would you do if somebody did if somebody I don't know from like the top came out and said I'm sorry I from what happened like the The I'm sorry for happened to you. Qatar united in that attack after forty years would really get here. Do you know Michael Brown Brownie. The chief of famous Brownie. Heck of a job Brownie with the glass. You heard about what did you think of? It's like a lot of people to know what they were doing away. I was confused. You GET A job. You're not president. Bush you heated Renault. What do how about a president and you can't even have the national disaster oversee our country for staff. We asked him about the Convention Center and about why they couldn't get there and we we talked about some of it and we kinda wanted to let you listen to it and see what you made. Brag. I let me hear this let me. We gave her some headphones and sat there while she listened who he thought. Okay took Omar Guy. Oh my God when he say my name is just like. Oh you like him like tolkien directly to me like saying sorry like some can't be like what I hear like talking to me. I don't know either. We didn't know what to make. It feel like it's crazy like I'm like I don't i. Don't care about them apology. But y'all toothy our say you know. I'm sorry I'm sorry like me. I'm sorry how to like the board that he when he was saying. My Name and talk to me made me feel like Amana. The end had to wonder in his last fifteen years while this happened. If the reason she got screwed was because someone was racist or mean or incompetent or just didn't care about people like her. She's had to wonder if the people in power ever saw her at all. Michael Brown feels like. He's a scapegoat when he dies. He'll be the Katrina God. And maybe that's not fair but even being a scapegoat means that people know who you are that you mattered as crazy. We doing that. He's over dealing woman would know national disasters as started talking. I was like a guy. Just shut. Why are you talking? 'cause he was just when. I came on like what am I saying? I'm sorry for like rain. Make me understand what I'm saying? I'm sorry for the naming. I'm a meeting that I did something wrong. So don't feel like you did nothing wrong but tell day you know next. Time is not going to be a knight in shining armor coming in gummy rescuers. Worst Orlando was like. Why would you say yeah instead of having them up treat like those guns they should have been down there trying to help us get? Ain't they train all that stuff to go. Try to get food and stuff like day while they were doing but they weren't by putting guns on us was that part of the way they really had a CD play. You know what I really Africa truly is when I really started to notice day how America actually for me. I was always in north. Carolina and Katrina was the first time I saw somewhere else. Who are yet. That was crazy. I just saw race matter in Michael. Way that Yeah I've seen I knew people who are racist like my whole life. I seen I grew up with mostly black folks but I knew of white people who had the confederate flag. Whatever but like Katrina. The first time I saw something that happened to a whole group of people who look like me and it was because they look like yeah. Yeah that was crazy. I think killers. 'cause we blacked under regular we refugees. Nobody complicated you look around just black people babies. Everybody just crying. They won't help. This may bushy telling us at the covey out of my gadgets. Don't understand Yeah it's been a long time since Katrina. Lots of people don't really like talking about the levees broke and I get that they want to move on. They don't want some out of town. Journalists asking them over and over again about a bad time in their lives there are good things now. There are great things and we should talk about them. After the Dan Zuckerberg shootings the family sued the Department and revealed the cover up. Their fight helped advance department. Wide Criminal Justice reforms in two thousand eighteen. The city had a record low of four shootings by police officers. There's new businesses shiny new airport cool scene for young people tourists every day life. New Orleans defies all. The people said. It shouldn't come back for couldn't come back but I don't know if I would call that recovery recovery means that things are back to normal but things ain't back to normal that is different. I'm just where it. Kp take the beach and is crazy. Because I'm doing that but still you know have enough to help my mom. You know address. I don't know but I make away after we were done talking. Leonidas out to the Levy by replace. It's right across the street from her apartment. She comes out here with a friend daughter to loose talk down and we get some ACRI. We feel you walked up a hill and up to a fence and you can look out over the lake and when you look at the Slavi what do you see our enemy. We surrounded by water. Relieve inaudible is beautiful also daily. This is what can destroy my city. What destroy my city. I don't think you'll be here years to come. I'm just saying Johnny why we here but my daughter's kids and daycare is probably not gonNA be anything eventually. Don't be and when I just look at it. It makes me really think about that. We're not gonna be alone is crazy. There's no way in the world rather be in. Yeah I love it. It's my home is my home. I love New Orleans to Arizona Texas Mississippi after Katrina. Nothing like things like New Orleans Tony Morrison once said all water has a perfect memory and his forever trying to get back to where it was. She was talking about the Mississippi River. People might try to forget the past. But maybe the water remembers has elapsed away at the wetlands. Maybe it remembers as it rises a little higher and swallows more and more communities on the coast. Maybe it remembers as a levy sink a little more. Maybe the water is waiting to betray us again because the betray also means to expose the true energy. That's California's deadliest in Bergen. One destruction as far as the I one hundred percent Puerto Rico without the mayor of San Law now saying people are starting to be back to the nineteen twenty seven win. The flood came folks platforms in eighteen fifty. Six last island. Louisiana was destroyed. It was cleaved by the hurricane broken into pieces and in slowly reclaimed by the salt. And the waves. You would know now that it was a vacation spot that the sons and daughters of the American slave accuracy tempted fate there or that a man named Richard had tried to warn them about what was coming. I think I figured out. Why keep thinking about Richard? It's because he didn't have the luxury of denial. He saw clearly what the slave owners tried to ignore. We are all on and the pass will always find. Its way back to us. Cough being another country incoming my daughter have to go through but I went through games. Took him from her friends living here now so I will be in the same position. My Mom and dad was so you still to this day. I don't know how they felt as parent. I'm telling you we just kinda sweep it under the road. Fourteen years we never really told bike to each other. Like a how you feel about mom how you feel. It's it's Katrina. Are you doing fine Monday? After we leave government because we never gonNA go by phone Televi- images eggs walked across the street and then went home. Bloodlines is the production of the Atlantic. The show was reported and produced by me and Allen. Our Executive Producer is Katharine Weld. Katie Reykdal editorial advisor archival production research by Kevin Townsend. Editing Scott's docile production assistance from Emily Gottschalk Marconi miles poythress and Kayla fellow. Fact Checking by William Brennan Music by Christians. Got A tune Daduwa Anthony. Braxton SOUND DESIGN. Mix An additional music by David Herman Art Direction by Paul Speller. We are very much indebted to a group of first listeners. Who made this product? 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"You're listening to the podcast visit. WWW DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com before information. You've now tuned in to the drawing join boring. podcast a powerful thought provoking discussion. Where we talk about family relationships ministry community and Kareem you? Let's see what exciting guest we have on our show. Great evening to the drawing board nation. This is your host and founder. Andre E. Brian of the drawing board the book The Drawing Board podcast and the drawing board experience like every night. Thank you thank you thank thank you thank you. Praise the Lord. Listen tonight is extra special tonight is. I'm telling you all I have some of my family up here And I called my family because they are my see prep family. They are my cornerstone cathedral of praise in a national family. We go back decades so I always bring you quality guests to have quality information and their life is proof positive of the message that they're sharing and tonight is no different friends tonight. I have Dr One Williams here in the show. How you doing brother Lesbian measured? Well thank you for having. Oh absolutely man. And while we're on the introductions introductions just also want to acknowledge that your beautiful wife Misdemeanor Williams is here tonight. Shit all right the Bible say he that fine the wife find this thing and I've painted favor from the Lord so I know everything we're getting ready to talk about has some of that saucy favor on tonight. You already know absolutely absolutely so let me let the people know tonight about Man Who you are so Dr John. Williams is the son of Amber Williams and Leon Williams wine on is a nineteen ninety nine alumni of cornerstone Christian college preparatory school as well as a two thousand one in two thousand thirteen eighteen alumni of chosen Christian beauty and Barbara College. Let's pause for a second. We gotta take time and I just wanted to. I know you can't man we Honor the Apostle of postle Dr Oscar j Dow Bill Underwood Junior The head master. The founder of cornerstone Christian in College Preparatory School the Pastor and Apostle of cathedral of praise in a national Who is who has shaped the world through sending his sons and daughters is out and we are the product of cornerstone? Prep School. Absolutely yes so shout out to you apostle. We love you sir. And we're able to to do we're doing today. You prophesied this you said that we would end up impacting the world for the cause of Christ that we would shape communities That we will come together. When we're often are separate professions and that we will we would unite Because we are possible so hey just wanted to say to you apostle. Thank you for your Labor of love and your sacrifice which affords us the opportunity to be here sir. So all the way from Fort Wayne Indiana. Yes sir not a negative worst. I D the Day. Let me tell you man so Why man you have We were just talking and I was saying man. How literally like twenty four years ago? We were in Before the Games before we play basketball You were fading me up and giving me so. Yeah let's let's talk about man. You're timing Fort Wayne and as Barbour. Oh Yes oh man. Roughly those times man. I think we had to be maybe man I had to be probably thirteen in fourteen years. Old two years ago I started cutting so wow time flies amazingly fast. Doesn't it. Yeah yeah so I remember remember those times may even skipping class sometimes trying to get people to come into the the boys locker room and cut the hair in between during the lunch period or carrying on you the things of that nature While just look back and to see the growth in how me deciding to take this path in the Union Barbara Industry. I'm MHM has led me to you know to come about doing some pretty iconic stuff off of the Gloria got absolutely no says man that your purpose his purpose is being fulfilled using your gifts to help people look and feel their best which empowers them to be their best. Dr Williams is known and respected as one four wings premier. Barbara's act can attest that absolutely for years. With over twenty five years of experience one is one is is one of the greatest to have ever done it in the Milky Way Galaxy. Okay all right the larger does yes sir yes served and so man you have started this organization We FEM INC and main you are I. I got a chance to watch. I WanNa say it was with the back to school because you also the owner of architects right. who were architects is one? Is the best barber shop in. Fort Wayne Indiana if you in your haircut somewhere else all due respect this is my homeboy. This is my family He is the best to have done it. I'm watching some of your barbers. Come up and I'm watching them post even their own pictures and watching the progression and the direction of where they started Do you know the the the success is in the details and so man. I watched one thing. That's big for me. Is the glint blend tight. But we fam- INC man. I see you with multiple the partnerships. talk to me man about the man behind the mission. The man behind the message like what made you want to begin this organization. His ation well you know from the starting point of me cutting here at twelve years old and you know trying to figure out which direction I wanted to take life on my new that I had a god given ability to be able to cut here like the younger age My Dad keep me in the barber shop a lot so every week I will go get my haircut and I appreciate that that will that kept my self esteem. Builder extremely high. But one thing led to another And upon graduation it was really a time to think about what it is. What it was that I wanted to do and shouts out to a Dr Legg? Dr Three Link At recalibrated Christian Barbara College College in Fort Wayne Indiana Because at the time it wasn't a Barbara College in Fort Wayne so I wanted to be able to You know get licensed professional professionally to cut here and Indianapolis was the only place that kind of dead they really had that type of program where can get license. Licensed in the state in Indiana. So Oh she pressed hard as my sophomore junior senior year in high school to get all the credentials that she needed so that she could be able to open up for Wang's first Barbara College and when she did that was aesthetic I was I was extremely happy about De and I was able to sign up with her and and be part of her first class. Back in two thousand after my graduation. So long story short I made a few decisions in my life. That didn't turn out to be to have some of the greatest outcomes that I was expecting and it led me to a place of solitude. Yup I was incarcerated for very close to ten years for a crime that I committed and during that time I found myself cutting here a lot. Hit Guide into the barber shop because of my experience already in my certifications that I had prior to be be incarcerated so once the compound found out about mosquitoes they were really present for me to get in the barber shop so long story short at the time I'm when when the time came I was in the barber shop cutting here and I was able to hone my skills day in and day out and I really loved it. It was three different ships that you could work in the barbershop world. Use only supposed to work wine I'll become the number one barber and found myself cutting here all three shifts so morning afternoon and evening I was I was in there cutting here. I'm honing my skills and while I'm fast forward that that are ten years later I mean the type of service that was provided for those types of individuals that it kind of kept Tom Com. It kept people where they normally wanted to act out in other different situations when they looked at themselves in the mirror. They had more of a confidence. Even though we were in what I would like to say one of the worst of two places that you could be either dead or in jail you know we were actually living in jail and it was hard but the people were able to keep themselves and keep their motivation up and it made me feel. It made me feel like I had a sense of freedom every single time. I picked up and clippers inside prison. It may it. May It made me feel like what I was actually living in experiencing like it took my mind away from that. I know physically that I was still there but mentally I was able to carry myself off into another world that that couldn't particularly be locked down. Yeah so what I love about what you're sharing man. Is that no matter where you are that your gift. If will cause you to rise to the rank absolu- sitting here man. Of course all of my all of my my biblical background. My Mao nation is screaming out the story of Joseph absolutely absolutely no matter where he was as long as he kept the right attitude. Saloon allow God to work through his gifts. He calls him to rise to the rank says only really even Your gift man caused you to bless those who had may not necessarily the best decisions more when they got a chance to come to your chaired the their their their their humanity. They're human is. They're being their purpose was made alive in that chair. I like to say like this man and this is where and you can call me. Funny acting acting right me is okay is that everybody can't cut my hair right because everybody can't touch my. Hey I'm just I'm just big on that you know And so when you get a barbara who has a sense of purpose such as yourself And the Barbara's who you know are working within your program and they decide to partner with Fam- INC and changing the lives and there was a people for Some may have been dejected rejected. Some just need a better opportunity. Some may not have the means. But if you are partnering with this Organization You're part of a greater mission Shen of not just cutting hair but also lifting the spirits in the minds of those who you in encounter exactly and being Barbara petition. It'll take ESTA Titian. You most of us have that spirit of serving. You know to be able to do that because everybody like you say just can't touch everybody but I want to touch back on with Joseph. Would you said about Joseph because I do see myself It similarly s Joseph was depicted in the Bible. Right so I know Joseph. I've had his brother's Kinda put him into a situation. When really saying is dead? Everything that happens in your life regardless if you think it to be Not good or negative of it all works together for the good. Oh yeah it says that all things work together for the good so even the negative the situation that you think that you're experiencing is really something that's leading towards your good. So Joseph had his brothers to throw him in appear to to get him started on the path that his destiny but a lot of times for everybody out there listening radio land. We do that to ourselves. Nevertheless all of his works together for the good so no matter what situation it is that you may be going through regardless of how you see it you need to see it through the eyes of God and know that all things are working together for your good. Absolutely what did Joseph Taylor's brother he said. Oh you intended evil against me. God has worked in for my good. Here's the part that I love it to save much alive right absolutely man and you are I saw like the back to school. Like I was telling you And Man they were shouting out the barber's and the only thing I heard was arc six architects architects architects barbershop. Where are you from? I'm from architects writer and man to see You operate in the capacity of a mentor. Where you literally? We are cultivating the potential of new leaders right. So we're caught leader Louis and man to see you doing that so now ma'am break it down for me. I know what you talked about self offers steam How while you find yourself incarcerated how when you touch those clippers they brought a sense of freedom because you were able to help people see themselves better and I dare to say to see themselves as God sees them right? If you look your best you feel your best actress. Best Talk to me about your methodology behind We we fam- INC and what is the methodology behind so our methodology P. P. F. F. Project Protocol potential. I Potential I the. Oh Yeah Yeah. I've missed a very time. Okay project potential focus first so this is a method that was established by Dr Underwood Oscar Jay Underwood He uses Dr Abraham Maslow's hierarchy hierarchy of needs theory when he's explaining this. This new protocol Dr Abraham Oslo was scientists in the nineteen Psychology back in the nineteen forties nineteen forty three forty ear but he had this. He had depicted a hierarchy of needs in the form of a triangle with Your basic human needs at the the bottom and the more Self like self actualization more than a place at the top. So what are you saying with Dr Martha Ah Sanders wants. You have at least eighty percent of this bottom level Secure then you're advanced enough to move to the second can level which is safety and then eighty percent or one hundred percent of that you're able to move to the next one which is loved and self esteem so basically once you covered these lower four tiers then Dan. You're able to actually into around what they call self actualization. So that was his theory for the longest time. Dr Underworld like I say he uses that when explaining at this new methodology which instead of starting first with your physiological needs he say and to start first with the purpose Starting I which purpose his will then by default allow the self-esteem love and safety and other physiological needs to come into your life and he has used that in practice that With with students since nineteen seventy eight. Yep He's the first Indiana black teacher of the year in nineteen seventy seven. Of course you know that already and his theory seems to work correct and I know that first hand because it has happened with me absolutely You know the history of me growing up through cornerstone. The bad decisions I made and and the outcome now would you're seeing through. We found through architects Prophetic aesthetics and everything else that I touch put my hands on is because of the primary focus of purpose figure out what your purpose is is everyone has a purpose. You wouldn't have breath in your body. He right now. Listen to me talk if there wasn't purpose for your life because once you're purpose is over wit. Then you're dead so the fact that you're waking up every single day in and have breath in your body let you know that there is still something that needs to be done and believe it or not me and you both can cut here. I'm not going to be able to cut here the way that you you've got here and you're not gonna be able to hear that I could hear so even if it's something that you're doing that reminds you of something else that somebody else doing. Nobody can do that thing like hugh absolutely so. I don't know what it is about your line. That the way you line you lying specific way. Yes it's true. And if you're Fort Wayne and I'm talking about from personal experience. Just bringing the differentiating factor. So if you're in Fort Wayne and want cuts your hair. People will know uh-huh from looking at your haircut that one. Oh why cut your hair mowing wise your barber and we talk about that differ engine engine differentiating factor and when you talk about Abraham Maslow's hierarchy unease and how a possible underproduction underwood has reversed it or flipped in to make purpose purpose more essential than basic needs. Because if you wondering without purpose there is no connection if you're wondering what purpose you become involved in relationships ships they don't reflect your potential or your future if you're not walking in purpose than hard to be able you'll find yourself conforming to images of someone else because you haven't learned I identify with yourself. So here's a great question that I have for you wind. How does one begin to connect with purpose? A A by engaging we fam- like how you unlock that you have a quote here in your literature you say a hundred out of one hundred people have purpose dreams dreams and untapped potential. So let's just say I'm first engaging as a client I how do you begin to reveal to me I I like my purpose. If I come lacking purpose we'll we'll God definitely has until your purpose and you can express some things to me into. Barbara's one thing about barbas beauticians We're we have been for centuries cornerstones of communities so we see people believe it or not more than passers do Probably more than doctors do. I believe so with that collaboration in in in that That Gumbo of so many different different people you meet people from all walks of life so if I'm engaging with someone in my ear one because I'm touching you're cutting your hair already know that I have of some that you're willing to trust me in some type of way so once we do that. And we break that barrier and we're able to find out different forms of Were areas of interest. Then I'm able to connect that person with someone else that's already practicing or will experience in that field to that person and they're able to take them under their wings and kind of show them things that they normally wouldn't see if that is the areas they do want to focus on you know so that's one good method that we do As far as trying to help people realize is some strong areas about themselves that they not that they may not have realized that they had absolutely no not believe that the barbershop is the cornerstone of the community. when you talk about cornerstones of the community No Pun intended. But when you talk about pillars of the community You're talking about like your church. You talking about your your local. Who'll stores you talking about Your barbershops you beauty shops and those things that people will revolve their life around right and no matter what what is no matter how much money someone has or doesn't have they want to look presentable absolutely and through we fam- inks voucher program We're able to provide I say we I'm in this thing but But through your program you're able to provide opportunities for those who may not have it the hangar also able to allow people what I believe and please correct me if I'm wrong but what I believe. It gives them an opportunity to participate in the spiritual spiritual principle of giving so when you are able to give you are guaranteed a harvest that is a principle that heaven and earth could fade away You know as long as a summer and winter cold and hot there's GonNa be see time and harvest and so like a some people call the philanthropy be some people call the tide offering some people call it. Yo I gotta you know give back to my community but this voucher program literally allows customers customer to come in. Well before I talk about like walk me through with me I how do how do I. How do we get involved? How are the vouchers distributed? How how do we become community partners like from? Start to finish all right well before I do that. Andre let me Let me plan some more foundation for with With the organization how the organization got established. So like you said with over my my twenty five plus years of of haircut experience Professionally I ran into problems. uh-huh regularly okay. That were kind of hitting me financially and I was trying to figure out like what's going on and what it came down to was yes. I was cutting a lot of people. Here that were unemployed that had managed to get a job interview and had an interview setup later on in the week but of course they were unemployed. They didn't have any funds so they didn't have any funds. They couldn't get the haircut so they will come to me and say hey want. I got an interview on Thursday. I ain't got no money man but I think I could really get this job but I can't go in there looking like this you know. He got the shabby beard. And you. You know heritage thrown all around everywhere so me being a barber in you know that that's my passion so when I see somebody who needs a haircut. It's like I'm looking at them like like. ooh I wish I could get a hold of this head like you know I always want to rectify the problem. Because it's a problem for me and if people can direct their anger what makes them mad into something something positive then they could probably find the same success with whatever it is that they're going through but hold on. Wait unpack listen. Let's let's unpack because I I I connected to what you're saying but for those who are listening Let's UNPACK that for second. So you seeing someone without a haircut is a problem even for you is problematic exactly and you have been gifted. You had a natural gift. Then you pursued the technical expertise to fix that problem and then in that you being able to fix that problem or bring a solution. Unlock the a portion of your purpose has led to programming and then God will supply and meet the needs to talk to me about so everybody. Has Everybody knows that Guy Right. You've seen it on barbershop. The movie man like Yo town they don't take off but in this case you don't have to run. You can actually run to the shop you can run to we fam- you can run to ever like saying you can run to the rock right but you can run because you have the technical expertise the willingness this and the resource. It's a one stop shop for those who may not be able to take it to be able to provide financially but they can you figure out had a program that it blesses the barber and the customer. Yeah let's talk about it. Yeah so So I'M GONNA go back to the guy with the They came in for the haircut. Guys that were coming in so at the end of the week I basically would notice that. My pockets are a little bit shorter than what I was accustomed to. And and because of my heart. I denied want someone to come in and asked me for a haircut trying to better themselves trying to get a job so that they can better themselves and take care of their family in Be Contribution to their community. Why would something that I love doing? Why would I not give that to them so that they would would be able to do that so like I said? At the end of the week I noticed that my pockets came up little short so I was like while. If there's a problem then that only means that the truth booth has been kind of manipulated a little bit so there is a solution within this problem. I had to be able to see what it is so oh we found came about because of the type of problem with me wanting to keep me wanting to keep my heart pure and to be able to help these people astill one wanting to take my family and and and provide for them as well so after years of research maybe about five years of research I was finally able to understand the nonprofit language nonprofit world of the five. Oh One C.. Three terminologies analogies And after I was able to get gather all the information and and transform that into knowledge What you're you're saying now is two years worth wisdom? That's that's that has come out of there so a total of seven years. Now I've been working on we found and It's been quite a journey. It's been really quite a journey trying to express and meet the right people to let them know the The idea that L. trying to get out of my head. Of course you have the naysayers and the doubters but similar to airplane. I believe pressure sure is what takes you to your next level so if you ever study the airplane and how the bigger the bigger it is the faster needs as the go but as fast as these the goal is equivalent to how much pressure is coming against it. So what it does is is is uses that pressure to help lift ended up and it gets on another another playing field a plateau omos and it uses more pressure to help go until it reaches the altitude in the destination gene. The word needs to go to so well. He's priests right. They're not going to listen. uh-huh if you want to read it actually talks about that principle It's a book by Dr Bill. Winston called the plot the law of confession and so it talks about the law of lift the law of dragging long and so literally. That pressure is there not to depress you but it is to lift. You know how to prepare yourself moving. I saw you picked up the pace. There's so many things that I want to unpack that statement man. Is that a lot of times. 'cause a Lotta people who want to give back to the community. Had the same problem that use spoke of So it is how do I have this passion and I feel called and live got to do this right but I also have to be able to sustain and take care of my family so I don't WanNa be in a job it doesn't fulfil my purpose And Hammer pockets. Come up short and then I still want to dedicate time to community and you know. Let's listen we must be honest when the pockets come up short. It creates tension in places that it doesn't have to be right and it creates all type of stress. But now you figured out. Here's what you did though which I love though is you did your market research and so for those of you who who are listening. And you're saying listen I feel just like Dr Williams you know I have a passion in my a hard. I have something I wanted to do for the community. My pockets are coming up a little short. Your first responsibilities to gather information convert that information into knowledge. Absolute apply that knowledge so that it becomes wisdom and then you're ready to serve someone else because I say there's three kinds of people in the world Those who are very very passionate but not competent so they run around doing a lot right doing a lot doing most times feeling underappreciated and undervalued because people see their passion and don't understand right then you have the extremely competent and they bought his dry as twenty day. Old Turkey right you know whereas like you are very very learned person but your competency has dodger personality. There's no passion there right so you know but but the connection to that customer base is GonNa Miss Because your passion is not tangible is a and then you have the perfect bland. Why I'd like to say I believe is the CEO CEO of We've Bam somebody who is passionate and competent user. So as we as we move for you have a whole methodology. The on how you engage people. So that you're navigating them through a process. I hope those wanting to start organizations are listening is when you begin to serve people you have to have a process you have to have systems in order you have to be able to Leap people to favorable outcomes exactly so talk to me man. You're all across the nation now brother you know men I've seen. I think you were in South Carolina. You reline Carolina. You were a lot of different whereas we FAM- inc.. How can we connect to it just for a minute? Let's put this plug in. 'cause I know people are excited and listening. How can they get in touch with? Okay We filmmakers established Will we plan on being national here within the next. You know maybe three to five years so if you are interested in participating We have four for different sectors I let me tell you exactly what we found is we found is a nonprofit organization that builds self esteem through the offering of beauty and Barbara services to those who otherwise cannot cannot afford it and We do that so that we can inspire and motivate them to strive towards self improvement education and success so through an incredibly impactful voucher car system At risk children veterans homeless and those that are experiencing times of hardship are able to redeem free beauty and Barbara Services at participating barber shops and beauty salons that are listed on the back of each voucher. Yep Yes so the explain that voucher program to me again because there are a lot of barbour's right now Who are doing what you were doing? tell them. Oh man listen get up here I you know or you know massive. I got time for you man. You know come back tomorrow tomorrow. You know or I'll men listen. I'll be done cutting tonight at about a seven fifteen record and listen if you come seven thirty brought I'll take care of you and and so like that Barbour. How can they engage with the program so that they understand like explain that voucher program? Okay so like I say the vouchers to help at rich children veterans homeless and those experience hardship What we do is partner with other nonprofit organizations youth centers Halfway warehouses work release programs. And will we do as established through an emo you system of distribution for the vouchers. So if you're a registered at a homeless amish shelter or you know your local boys and Girls Club it's a staff member that is in charge of these vouchers that once the recipient fills fill out a voucher requests form. They're able to then hand them a voucher and on the back of that voucher is a list of barber shops or beauty salons. What's that That we found markets for them for free For the barbershop and beauty salons that the recipient is able to then take that voucher until those barbershops beauty salons and turn that in for free haircut. So it's free for the client right now on the voucher is a voucher identifier numbers. So that's a very vital piece of information for the grooming professional because what you're going to do is take that identifier number anti dead into what we're using right now we found cash out once you take that voucher number into to the fans cash out cash up. We're able to send you the same funds that we raced through to your cash out for the services that you provided for the individual individuals for free. Okay so A. I don't lose money though no be. I'm able to empower someone in my community. I have the funds and so on the customer in they get high quality of service men on the grooming professionals in the client to they get more clientele Man compensated absolutely okay. And it gives them also an opportunity to give back yup absolutely so ten percent of the actual Transaction of donated back to we found so that we can help the next child get haircut but the good thing about that. Is that a an accumulation of those ten percents percents throughout the course of the year can be also used as a tax deduction. Oh so you said we're going to go ahead and help you get the money but pay your theives. That's listen we're talking about is a dime out of every dollar for you to empower an impact the community. You know how you feel when you get a haircut you feel oh empowered you feel your best You they do these transformations and I know you've done before where a guy comes in or young lady comes in and a grooming professionals able to look at the contour the shape of their head if they're really good and everybody who's participating and so If you need those who who want these kind of services this is for somebody to look at your head and tell you know listen You don't need a flat road you know you. You don't know you don't need a Twa a team between have what you need is a fresh fade. You know. We don't give you a low fate you know but anyway what I'm saying is These are consummate professionals nationals The best in the industry that are doing this and so this is just a win for the entire community. Absolutely this is a win for the entire community and especially for the recipient because you go into these shops that they sometimes you know they they wanNA frequent. But just don't have the funds to go into these barbershops. Still keep their their dignity the and and get their service in respect versus. You know we. We have great barbers with great hearts. Go out actually industries and performance service cars driving by You know you can clearly tell exactly what's going on and I I perform my best services when I'm in my environment that I have specifically set up for what it is that I do absolute lose though. That's what I always wanted to be able to give to my client as well the best possible services. They could see themselves in the in the best possible light. Absolutely you can see yourself getting up and if you can see yourself. Moving of vision is The catalyst absolutely for change and so I know how it is man when you get that fresh cut in the mirror. You checking yourself out. Does something for your confidence in your self esteem. Absolutely and so now man. Let's let's talk about You know man. I'm in education education so I see it all the time You know there are plenty of schools and organizations around that back to school time and even throughout mid year going into the holidays. So I'm extremely sensitive particularly like we're going into the holiday season right so people are already have heightened emotions. You know Some people call the seasonal mood. Affective Disorder Some people call it stress because of You know they start looking at what they can or cannot do star are cutting back on certain things taking certain risks financially just to try to provide what is ideal or the the narrative that has has been told about these holidays and one of the things that I see is haircuts a Lotta Times around these seasons gold neglected because the parent. Aren't you know he's trying to do something. Greater than you know what they feel at that moment. Were I have seen Somebody smile one knew somebody Sits in that chair. Oh you know. Given that teardrop Mironov teardrop Mir or you see yourself good good and To watch a kiss whole life changed her kids in my school after a kid come back they say whoever cut your hair brought you back to live year they brought you back to life and man. Listen I wanted to applaud you. let's get into into some of these statistics rub was happening with the mckinney. Vento Act Because that's big in Detroit as well wasn't it you know I know particularly particularly because I worked for DPS that we're looking at maybe minimally thirty or more families with inside each school There are homeless. A qualified for the mckinney. Vento absolutely so Since nineteen eighty seven the federal government has been keeping got with Children that don't stay with their parents so if you have a child that's living with uncle. Were friend or another a family member than they consider that child to be homeless so there are over two point five million cases of children right here in the United States that are experiencing a trauma like this You know they're they're. They're being bullied lead at school. They're at risk of not graduating or being promoted or you know just achieving other educational related goals and we fam- you. You know we love the kids we definitely Have a primary focus on them because they are the future leaders for the world. So we're GONNA take away some of the distractions at school as far as bullying because you know of kids. Don't want to go to school then. Of course they're not going to be able to turn in homework and if you're not turning in homework then of course you're not ninety five percent of the time not gonNA pass the test so you not passing the test and you. You're not going to graduate from high school scores like an avalanche affect things. That could happen if you do not go to school and graduate so we're trying to take those kids and Kinda put them on a path where they asked. You can't see themselves. I really don't like telling kids. Hey you can be this or you can be that. But every time they look at themselves in the mirror is they reminded minded of someone that they don't Wanna be like absolute though is like we love. We want to get them in a chair. We want to get them involved in in community barbershops to know different people Manno some people that may have killed each other had they not said. Hey I remember you. You mentioned the barber shop. I know you stepped on my shoe. Man Go here we I I know you are a you know what I'm saying is just being able to bring people together especially are used to be able to allow them to see themselves differently and the next the next kid is will. Yes you you you bring up a very interesting point and it is almost like the The apex what I believe of all educational new opportunities all community opportunities every organization is relationship And so it is is definitely the haircut service for them to have a greater appearance. What I think even more profound than that it is the relationship that is built so between that Barbour and that that customer that client or that child it gives somebody a chance to say? Hey I see the greatness within you or as you say I see your purpose you I see your dreams I see your potential and if there's this statistically I couldn't give you the exact statistic but it says the more adults that a child has in their life this positively influenced them the greater likelihood that they will succeed gene and some of that is just will be commonsense. If I have more people pouring life into me then I have the opportunity to you. Know succeed in a greater measure of man when you saying here. without mckinney Vento. I think that we hear number so often I think we just need to like picture. The faces that goals with with that number We're talking about two point five million Little faces You got a picture that now you got a picture Khalil you have to picture Tyrone you have to picture johnny you you have to picture Kahlo. You have to picture Sarah. I these are not just numbers. These are children and so partnering. During with Fam- INC will allow you to see those faces smile again will allow them to have an outlet within the community where they feel safe where they feel accepted where they feel loved where they feel free. And so your partnership has the opportunity to change the lives of children address by not just making them feel good but to affirm within their spirit they are good absolutely 'cause when God made them he looked at him and he called it good So yeah we had that moment someone. You're partnering organizations who you partner with. Who has the honour partner? Stand along with you man and his purpose. Yeah we we're trying to reach Of course you know we love the youth organization so immediately The boys and Girls Club In Fort Wayne Joe Jordan over there yeah absolutely wonderful job with what he's doing with the kids in preparing them for their future We also have Greta mckinney at the Martin Luther. King Montessori School yes yes so we We also have some wonderful wonderful people at the YWCA that we partnered with with you know they take care of women in their children. Yes and also I mean We have the courtyard. Also that's on there with with Dr India Stevens. Okay Yeah yes another great woman. you know they deal with foster care people that Over the age of eighteen and under the age of twenty six okay. I'm there to take them in. During that time period with their children to a kind of hope further system in the goals that they're trying to achieve in life and then we also have A company fought acre. Okay with Stephanie Martin What she says was so crazy Steph and I went to we were in kindergarten? First first grade okay. Okay wow okay. She's another Excellent women women and That's that's helping Convicted it felons a fine job placements you kind of giving them training similar to Toni Hudson has gone over at at blue jagged. He's another one of our partners. you know they kinda give onside job training interview skills In job placement. Tonia blue jacket alway. Also Provides a clothing. Okay so once you complete this program you're able to get You know two or three different suits shirts and ties. You know to help you go to your interviews. WHO's in in in in in while you're working so to be able to provide A Beauty Barbara Services for these organizations. 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Hour 3: 6/29/20

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 3: 6/29/20

"Pride packing then pattern three of college football leaves here the Paul Finebaum show. Our three podcast. We welcome you to the second half of the program and a really great to hear from all of you and appreciate the calls as well man. We have had some fantastic guests and none better than our next one. He is the two time. Governor of the State of Mississippi Former Governor Phil Bryant who. Has watched his state go through a fascinating period in recent. In recent days, and governor. Thank you very much for making the time. Paul land to be with you. Thank you owning. You're absolutely right. It seems to be an amazing forty eight hours if you think. Just two days ago, this really began in earnest in our. Mississippi legislature almost been a topic. It's been. Talked about for over a decade. Now are longer but fairly amazing forty eight hours insane. What's taking place, is you? You saw our universities in our hint, coaches help. Lead the effort to change that flag and I think there were factors. And I want to ask you about that because I talked to someone there the other day. And? He said you don't understand Mississippi. Politics things don't move that quickly. You do understand. Mississippi politics so. How did it happen? It was timing. They Oakley say at every candidate likes to use this time but it. was. It's time as you saw the momentum again to build every year I was out there for the past eight years. There's been a bill introduced. To change the state flag and I'm sure during Governor Barbour's term every but but I I think the the mood of the nation, and and thereby the mood of this Sapienza the voters are much younger a lot of millennials are involved, but I had a friend of mine. Say the other day you know they. They they. They got to send a heart. They used football. Well, they mean the students Lane Kiffin it Ole miss came from Florida Atlantic, and and where where their state flagging Florida has in God we trust, which is the centerpiece I think that really helped. Move this forward as well as using the the national motto in God Trust on the next flags is something that's mississippians rally around is their faith faith of all different types. Of course, Mississippi State might lead came there to the capital, both of them along with southern, Miss, coach J.. Interesting, Pala Jiang Hobson's brother Senator Briggs Hopson was these state senators that presented the bill the Mississippi Senate. coincidentally his brother is happening lead to change that go chops in US had had asked for along with other coaches throughout the state and even stranger stranger than that, so yeah, small Mississippi Be Dr. Briggs Hopson and the father of J and Central Hobson, the recently passed away treated James Meredith after an assassination attempt so i. all of those things I say those because it just seemed as if fate was coming together all at one time and and the Mississippi legislature through the people that moved to to take some action. SEC commissioner realized that it was time to finally effectively address this issue and they did. Governor Ryan. I'm really interested in your your reflections on history, because you grew up as a young person during one of the worst periods in this nation's history and Mississippi Sadly, was was at the epicenter of much of that, and and obviously spending so many years moving forward in political life, and obviously spending the these these last eight years until recently. As the governor I'm just. I'm really curious about your own personal thoughts on the historical ascent of your state. I think there was a realization of many of us that were young during those stats particularly. When we opened the Mississippi History, Civil Rights Museum and we said we are going to give unborn truth. We're give clear and sustained message that those were terrible as The dark days of Jim Crow Segregation which blessed such a scar onus state, and it is a wound that is healed and left this this scar that now that we we have to to say to the world we understand is that. They have changed and and that civil rights. Museum I think reflects a lot of those efforts that you look at sports in Mississippi. So you look? Wonderful folks like Ben. Williams General Been Williams who I'm correct, one of the, if not the first, African American player at the University of Mississippi my my dear friend. DEUCE, mcallister There's no one or beloved in Mississippi Ole. Miss then then Deuce, and and with a New Orleans saints still if you walk on the sidelines, deuce, mcallister, which I've had an opportunity to do. Do's the roar of the crowd had old, and and then the Louisiana. Superdome so. Yeah, we saw those dark terrible times And realizing now that Mississippi and I said it so many speeches as much more about the future than the past, but you look at Dr I I wanNA. Say I'm right that there's more NASCAR tax sold in Mississippi the. State in the nation and we don't even have a track. THEM WHEN? Began speak in terms of how difficult it was to have those banners there and that image and Paula what happened. We saw groups that that that confederate banner, and and made it. Try to make it their own. They'll real damage. I think to it, and and obviously it was reflected in what's feelings, the young Mississippi half and believe me. This young generation is very smart. Does they know trial to fall into here? But proud that you didn't say riots in Mississippi and there was no windows broken. The buildings were burned the The Mississippi legislature did this together African Americans and Whites Democrats Republicans more Republicans in the House Representative voted for number craft simply because they have a super majority in numbers, but I'm very proud of way. The Way Mississippi took this zone and the way it's been managed. They will be a vote of the people which is something i. always insisted upon is that people have to speak to this? So there'd be a ratification vote if you will, and and in November ratifying the selection of the flag that must have in God. We trust emblazoned upon our National Motto and which we also added to our state sale in two thousand fourteen hours down. Governor Phil Bryant with us. governor. Be before you go we. We had your successor on about a month ago. reeves, and at the time the country was was really looking. Positive in relation to covert and in the opening was going on and and I'm someone who's still plugged in to this country very very active. I'm really interested in where you think we are because we all i. mean this is a sports show. Obviously we want to. We want to get to Ole miss and state and southern and see college football here and eight weeks, but but I'm interested in how you think we're doing right now. I think doing very well. I wish I knew where it was going. I think we have to. Have to admit there or we must continue. To take all the precautions necessary I've got masking my pickup truck. I've got one. Hand Sanitizer I'm one of those now when they talk about that over sixty five crowd, and they're warning us about it now. I yesterday and ran my three miles, but when they start talking about those over sixty five votes got old. That's me not. So anything I have to use every precaution. We can, but. You know tall. This country was not designed to be shut down. I heard an interesting one of the owners of an NBA team the other day saying Oh. We're just doing a terrible job. The president hadn't been forthcoming. Warning US the way we're GONNA have. Basketball Games as the NBA. Are Faithful place well. Are they gonNA play in masks and rubber gloves and. So look nobody knows exactly where we're at we. We need to use all the precautions absolutely that we can individually and I think there's there's been an opening of this country, and we are moving forward cautiously and we have to do that looks like the number of deaths out, so people are surviving. It I think the younger people, those young folks out there now or going to get together and. And unfortunately they come home with their parents grandparents, so I think overall. We've done a very good job at presents done an excellent job. Most governors have done a very good job including governor reefs but we're in the unknown, so we must move forward in this state and was prior in hoping that we'll all come stronger through this terrible storm that is Cova. Governor Phil Bryant what. What what a pleasure to talk to you and to hear your views on on the really important subjects of that, and of course the flag? Thank you so much. GOVERNOR UB well. Thank, you God bless! Thank you so much A. Very popular governor former governor of the state of Mississippi as you can tell a two terms. Governor Phil Bryant joining us. We will continue the conversation. We're bouncing. Back and forth between Mississippi, and and the Cova situation another guest coming up a little bit who lives in Clemson, we'll get his take on that plus your phone calls at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast back and we have more guests to come. J. D. is back. We're back to the phones and J up next. Hiller JJ. Hey I'll be doing well today. Thank you. Got A couple of questions about the Mississippi flagging and a lot of the statements that are being made recently about anti racism. How can you tell the difference between those folks that are sincere in their statements and their efforts are their to change a flag, change the name of their musical group to get rid of a flag at their race track. How can you tell the difference between those that are sincere and those that are just doing this sort of what I call Cya so they? They won't be labelled racist, because in my opinion, unless you're on the record in the past making these kind of statements. You really can't tell until you see. What people do you know from this point on? No I think that's fair I mean I I've. Heard a lot of it last week in the in the NASCAR situation where. I saw. I saw a lot of new religion, didn't you? Can't tell me that they just suddenly realize became favorite flag was a problem. And even Saiki you know with the FCC. You can't tell me that they. All of a sudden like Oh wait a minute. That that flag. Oh, yeah, that's that's the problem. I think. Everybody has always known that and so. I understand it, and I think these are all good things but I do believe that some people are just doing this because they're scared and we'll see how sincerely are moved on and see what they do from. Listen I I spend a Lotta time in Alabama. And I would occasionally ask people about why things are the way they are. And he said well. That's just the way it's always been and I. Think when you're in one of those. I mean I I grew up in the south. And when I started studying history in angered me about what? had been transpiring there. And I think a lot of people just want to talk now about how everything is better because you take a flag down. And you have one African American driver on the NASCAR circuit. Well, that's not really the I mean I I've researched and written years ago about what happened the first African American driver Wendell Scott when he won a race in, and they wouldn't. They wouldn't even acknowledge it or or or announce it because they didn't want the crowd to go crazy. Yeah and I'll tell you I don't know if people have looked at the Alabama state flag lately, but they don't have any stars, but it's got the bars so. I don't know I. Mean. I'm sure I'M GONNA call Nick Sabin and get him on that one. Yeah. and then K. Avi. You'll be making another statement. I'm sure so you. Have a great day, but much Let's check in with Jerry Mississippi Hello Jerry. Jerry there. Yeah right ahead. You're on the air, thank you. You. You got me a foul. Yes Sir how are you? I'm doing I'm out here. This is J. D. and That's okay, but I get your day going. It's going great Jerry. I hope yours is. Yes or hang on just minute. Braeside, will one the? Missile I've been listening to your show for years near, and and always appreciate it now, and I don't want the mouth coward. I talked to Archbishop Alana's. And whereas you. and. You know in two thousand one I sold it to keep to. Rebel fame on Mississippi, thing. And now, whereas different long time ago. And I'm GonNa tell you. Two reasons why did? my when I was younger. Coming up, gave we give us Saturday afternoons out. And me and my best friend was a fellow Lee still friends and work together. And We go store to get a drink and a moon fire. I'd have to. Go and get everything and he. That's me around back because he couldn't come into stole women. And? You know what really made me change my life of ways to wear now we all work into vehicle and that's why you know. WE'VE GOTTA be in laugh, and you know just like on the sports and living together working together. It? Ain't no wind, having no black seven. It's one of it. and. We all got to realize that way out. Let's. Say Too much. No I think you. You what you said is the truth, and I think we all grew up in different backgrounds and had different experiences, and that's that's really how we base our. Our understanding of the times and I really really appreciate. You you sharing that you'd be well Jerry. Thanks, thanks so much max is up next hey max. Hey how're you doing Paul? Doing Great. I'm a Mississippi State graduate. Now live fifty five years of my life in the state of Mississippi recently moved to La Low Alabama. And I just WANNA make us. I was listening to the governor a little bit and Kind of tells from his call that Big Bo bottle still floating out there. He mentioned my but. But not Coach Leach, but anyway my calls about. Caitlin Hill. Which? I think other should've mentioned him. In one. He Changed His and Mississippi that's not. And it's not Stephen. Those opinion because I saw Steven A. he was on. He'll never change anything you know when you heard what I said that day I was I was really disappointed with Stephen. I said because I I said the exact same thing you did. but everyone has a different view, but to me The Star of this is not anyone other than Colin Hill I completely agree. Absolutely and. Steven, A. and Max they'd Bash Mississippi so bad you know I just. I just couldn't believe what I was hearing really but I think as it turns out Stephen I was wrong about that comment and here we are with one person that changed it. It's amazing to me. There's no doubt in. I think I think kyle and we'll get the history. Everyone else was just doing it because they had to do it I. Frankly I frankly thought. Mike Leach was pretty to the party as you heard me say that day with Steven A. and Max. Yes. But. They all had to do it, but. He'll not tweeted that last week. that flag would still be there. You're right. Twenty Five Year War I don't i. Longer than decade. Twenty five year warranty and it ended with a tweet. It's unbelievable. You're absolutely hey, thank you for the call Let's check in next with. Robert. Who is on the air? Hey Robert. Hey Paul how you doing. I'm well, thank you. Get, so my question is, and it goes back to the callers. You had a few minutes ago. House sincere is everybody. How sincere is great? Thank because if you look at the Georgia flag the Georgia state flag. Is. The first confederate flag idiot, the only thing they've added is the Georgia seal in the middle of the Ring Stars, but other than that that is the confederate state flag attack on Fort Sumter was that flag flying because the battle flag hadn't come around yet. The, house and the're is. Thank you for Georgia now. Well. I I'm not sure I'll let him answer that I mean I've heard exactly what you're saying about the George flag. It's not hard to see when you look at it. I know that's a controversy. The state of Georgia has already dealt with You know I know the backstory. And they they are satisfied and apparently so as everyone else. But then. How can you hold Mississippi and say hey, you can't have any postseason games as long as you have a confederate. The competitive thing in your flag, but the Georgia's flag. Even the governor and I used to have the article a few years ago, said Hey, we based stars on the first flight of the confederacy, and that's all it is. It's the first flag. Georgia seal in it, which coincidentally if you look the state flag of Georgia during the confederacy, that's all it was was the blue background with that seal. So basically they've taken the first five confederacy and George just flag competitor, and combine them together, and that's the state flag now. And I? Don't see how you can hold. Mississippi accountable and not hold the state of Georgia accountable. Well I can't answer your question, but I appreciate your call. Thank you very very much continue. With Herald next herald good afternoon. Paul. Always great to hear your own. Yes I just wanted to talk about you talking to fill Bryant former governor Mississippi I kept wondering which former governor was i. was you know Haley Barbour nationally came to mind. But Healy was right before Phil. Right. What I was wondering about the governor signed this. Doesn't this still require of though to the people of the State of Mississippi? Won't they still have to vote on it? Well. I think they will as a governor I think. You said they'll ratified now i. don't ask me what happens if it doesn't pass okay. We know it didn't pass years ago and I'm just wondering if I I think the governor was against it if I remember my Mississippi history correctly. But It will be interesting to see if it if it. Goes. Someone who was suggesting that she should resign? retire. Beginning to the show today yeah I mean I miss that part, but you're your us as longest caller to this show US something civil rights and Have always been the same You may have moderated a little bit as I who was an ultra liberal. I college your program for the first time. About You? I mean how many sportscasters think about this has sports shows and divert Martin Luther King Birthday talking about him and his on perfect manners. You want said, but talk about what he did. from the from the I team, fifty use after Rosa Parks, and all that I mean you have such a knowledge that soon sports when there's not a lot of sports, talk about and As anything I said that incorrect. No and I'm glad you brought it up. Because I've been accused especially in the NASCAR conversation of of of of being finding religion. Last Monday morning and I i. don't someone like you. Who May maybe the last remaining original? Of Callers to the show I need to explain to you, but that's okay. I I've always been passionate about. That issue because of the way I was brought up and I have expressed that and expressing that view in Birmingham, Alabama Herald as you well know, it was not popular. Right but despite the unpopularity of it, despite your outspoken Mr earlier in your career, you survive can go quite well. And Birmingham you did quite well in Birmingham at opportunities to leave the floor twenty thirteen, but you you chose to, of course got married of course and your wife I'm sure played a certain role and we staying as long as you did or. Maybe wrong about that, but you. You by the way. Wait I figure but. That you were? Are you chose to stay and you? Sim By post Gerald didn't survive, but how many daily? Because because one thing I learned. In. You understand this herald is somebody's. been a student of this medium. I didn't preach it I. Just discussed it when it was important. And I I I. Don't think I've ever shared You know a political view. I mean being being being compassionate. About the equal treatment of of a of all of us is not is not really a social is not really a political ideology. It's a common sense ideology. Told you the story. We've I mean. It angered me when I when I got to Birmingham I would walk down. The streets of downtown Birmingham to think. Of what had transpired? They're not really all that the long before I arrived, it made me sick to my stomach. Well I. Think about what you share on this program about Your long bus rides to it a bit on this. Mississippi with Eddie Robinson. Incredible learning experience they were they were and but. That was my first job and I've never forgotten those conversations and maybe one day. We'll talk about them a little bit more about the way I'm glad you reminded me because I think I had forgotten them Herald we. And by the way I. I've always. I try not to wear these things on my sleeve, but. You know. It was a tough. It was a tough. A tough conversation. In the eighties in Birmingham, and either but know, but one thing one they get teaches you though and I'll say this in rushing. The is you understand to you understand the difference between someone who sincere when they call in and talk about race. And, who is who is just someone who has found? Found the cause because they had to. Oh Oh, absolutely. I mean this is This is what makes you so different I mean. There are I? Don't want to be critical of anybody locally or anything like that, but there are a lot of sports. Talk show host. Across the country they could not talk about civilized or not not about political issues. Like you can I mean I mean you. You've mentioned Donald Trump sometimes before before. The the George Foy tragedy there you mentioned him or sometimes when we weren't even discussing politics, because this is, this is how you work. You're that you're that intelligent. Well Herald. First of all thanks for calling as always A. Herald called very first show I ever did. which was canceled and Somehow we were able to survive that that Tuesday night program Herald. Thank you so much for for being here. We'll take a break. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Monday afternoon and Henry is up next, good afternoon, Henry. Good afternoon ball, I'm I'm calling I just wanted to say that I think. What what concerns me the most right now. Paul is the fact that. You have a group black lives, matter and I think they are. Trying to control the narrative and they've done a great job of what I'm supposed to believe what I'm supposed to be. In how very influence! From from what I deem. As a I. Just don't think their intent is honest. It's not the quality in I don't think I. Don't think it's something that's benefiting. America that the narrative is. that. Unless. You believe the way that we do. then. You're wrong, IF If. They won't tolerate their views poll than I expect the same toleration. Of My views and I think that corporate America is is abandoning. The opportunity to really call them out who they are. I spent two years as a as a coach. High School College and. Professional, overseas coach I was a basketball coach for ten years. And it really didn't. Make a rap time course. What color the player loss for me? I just wanted the best player that can help me win. and so so those things Paul. I look at. Black lives matter I see what my shift ski did and the statement that he made in that bothered me. I what did he say I didn't see that. Whole, it was well first of all. Thank you for allowing the score I think the robust discussion is very good. He, just he. I think he patronized black America and I think all that he did it because he has to recruit the players in order to win, and that he doesn't step out there and become one of the first one of the most prominent college coaches. Somebody can use that against him and he supports black lives matter. Black lives matter. Fill, Paul we all know that Oh lives matter all. Mixed. Nick Sabin did something to the other day. So. Let's talk about. I okay. Paul I'm Saudi interrupt you I apologize. This is a very so passionate time in America. And I think what these coaches are doing. What's the intent hall I always look at someone's in can't because of two you can really peel the. Onion and find out what that intent is. That's GonNa tell you where they really don't something. Are they being forced? To face this. Four Hundred Years of history right now and now they're saying okay. We're going to do it. Because that's what it appears like in most instances. When you? Collectively look at it when you take emotion out of it all when you really look at the case, why didn't want it and say say something ten years ago? Why didn't Mike Well? Let's say twenty five years ago. Henner you've been there, you're you you? You know why he's doing it now. And I say that objectively not coming from an ideology. And and you don't WanNa be the one that you can't afford it to be used against you. You know that. Yeah but the sad thing about it is that he's acquiesced. He's given into this this be. If you will from this one specific group of all. I'll say something I'll say this burden. I think there's very little difference ball in the black lives matter group and their intent. And the KKK I think both of those people are on different ideology, ideological ends of the political spectrum, but I think they're one in the same. Here's another example you take you take the flags away. You take the confederate flag way. You take these statues down. Well about ten or twelve years ago, or if in years ago, the Taliban didn't like some of the an Isis didn't like some of the protected religious. shrines in Afghanistan. They blew him up because it didn't fit the narrative. There are statues all over the south, never been forced down right now because it doesn't fit the narrative, the only thing that we're doing now is we're burning books. And eight group Po a group black lives matter controls the narrative, and the media has jumped all over this, and it ain't just outhern boys per se Oh, when they first desegregated the schools in South Boston. There was a hell of a problem there. I was part of the first group of segregated students in the state of Georgia I was I lived through it. I was the only White Guy, my high school basketball team of very good basketball team. And race never came into play for me I just wanted to compete with these guys. Koji the ten years as a coach. Excuse me. I provided more scholarships black athletes, then the white athletes, and why because those kids could help me win? So I I I take exception all. To where the media take exceptions of these coaches that are all of us sudden like you use all along. They found religion. I got a problem with this and I'm not going to solve it. I'm glad I'm not coaching anymore. but corporate. America's doing the same thing. All I worked for a fortune one hundred company and they've just been over backwards to. To give in into, not really call out this route for what listen. If I may say. In the media go ahead. Do we wrapped up in a second, but going than one more thing, black lives matter talks about the murder of Michael, Brown. The. That wasn't a mirror that kid reach the side. That cops car tried to take his gun and tried to kill the COP. That cop defended himself. I think the antenna black lives. Matter is not proper, not wholesome I'll end on that. Thank you, Henry, appreciate the thoughts and the call and. I'm sure they'll be a little disagreement, but we're heading to a break more to come. Listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. And we walk back on what has been rather busy Monday afternoon the week of the fourth and. We appreciate you being here. Mitch's up next in Florida Hello Mitch. Hello. Hey good afternoon. Hey Paul just WanNa say Amen to that guy who just called. You, know, who said it said, sit down! At the table. You know all of us have tabled listened to our shot of and their side. I, mean He. I think there are some people that was clearly agree with him Yeah. Well the one thing I would say though is. I think the people coaches. Coaches are to be sensitive to their players in players right now are very very involved and very active. Yeah I think that's why you're seeing the two best coaches in the country in their respective sports. My Chefs Nick Sabin. Do what they have done. They have to. I mean you'd think they'd have to And he mentioned he mentioned public. Companies. Public Companies I don't know how representative they are of the, but but I worked for one so I have a pretty good view of what happens. In cancel and Paul Betrayal man that. Well I saw Woodrow Wilson They took his name on the school. Public Health at Princeton which is one of the most prestigious schools in the country. I mean like the guys. When's IT GONNA Stop I. Mean I'm? Probably. But It Ain't is it? I guess we'll just have to live with it or. Conform. Well. I think I think you. Just conforming is one way I think you have to accept it. It's it's the way of the world if you don't agree. And I understand the frustration. That's why I wanted to hear from our our last caller. Thank you very much for the call. Augie is up next augie. How are you? Paul I'm GonNa. Call you the Betsy Ross of talk radio. Thank you. I've heard so much flack. Talk Can't remember what. In anyway, it seems like that issues over right. We can move on to something else. Over today, just a post mortem. Yeah I mean whatever they make the flag who cares and this whole thing about You know the SEC network and the schools taken over so today's Arkansas's Day, right. yeah. Shouldn't that be like a fifteen minute show? I mean now you know what they were. You know, know augie. I'm not allowed to show, fear or favor toward any one school. I think you're a little chuckle. Just set it all, but I mean you know what they were showing the when I turned it on and two o'clock the Portland State game now I didn't watch. I'm not watching it, but correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Portland State beat. Arkansas. yeah. By the way, Augie. This is off the record. Show me show me what Arkansas football game you could play for the last couple years. I don't know I. Think you'd have to go back to their last. Se teach. You know they weren't playing the game where they beat Lsu back in. What was it twenty eleven or something like that? But anyway every dog has his day. Have you been keeping track of Lsu and a transfer portal? To run here, we're up against a bright, but we'll finish this minute.

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