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Episode 24: Greg Robinson and the Campaign of We

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Episode 24: Greg Robinson and the Campaign of We

"Welcome to another episode of Pod for good podcast or we talked to the change agents trying to make Tulsa Oklahoma and the world more vibrant inclusive place I'm your philanthropy Jesse rich and I'm your vice, Admiral Flint pod Chris Miller, and today our guest is Greg Robinson the second who by day is the director of family and community ownership for Medicare's and by night, and also by day is running to be the next mayor of Tulsa. We talked to greg about why average isn't good enough anymore how helping all communities in Tulsa can make it a more attractive place and why him? Why now for mayor of Tulsa Enjoy. We are very excited to have Greg Robinson the second on the podcast today Greg Robinson is. In the daytime, the director of family and community ownership from cares and also during the daytime and the nighttime and all the other times as a candidate for the mayor of Tulsa. Gregg welcome to welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you for having me. Glad to be. I've been watching some of your your videos like your your announcement video your speech at the June Eighteenth Rally which June tenth rally campaign video quite Nice like very inspiring like the good inspiring music. Let's give some people your history and politics because as we're GONNA get to later. You weren't specifically looking to run for Mayor Yourself. This is what ended up happening. Yeah absolutely. So I actually am more of an. Answer, meaning that I worked for political candidates, most of the time when I was twenty two took a job working for Barack Obama's reelection team where I left the University of Arkansas. Pine. Bluff. In the last semester, my senior year. Robert. Not Advisable to once back shop was in North Carolina in three days knocking on doors or Barack. Obama after I went back to school that's the key there and graduated than I started the history of campaigns worked in also for Kathy Taylor's reelect campaign lost work in Dallas for a state REP campaign. Last worked in North Carolina for a Senate race lost at two and then worked for. Secretary Clinton in twenty six chain and yells guest. Law. After that I Jesse in Chris I decided. maybe I should go back home. It's also and get out of campaign or a bit. And smart working in the community. So that's that's how I got Medicare's foundation. You mentioned that you didn't want this to be you you. You weren't politician you're someone who likes to organize to help so. What chain of the past two to three months that? Made you decide I have to do this? Well reached. At Medicare's four years really. Working in what we thought was collaboration and partnership with the mayor in his chain, and while I think that his team is quite fabulous, I feel that the mayor sold myself and our community ability goods a lot of times he's continuously said the right things when it comes down to making the decisions, he's consistently chosen. Political. Expediency over the people that he said he was there to serve and so for me that all came to a head you months ago when we took to the streets Tolson from all sides of the city to demand better to demand more, we pushed the mayor to negotiate with us. We thought that we will negotiate in good faith on four common sense demands to improve the safety of all tokens. He gave us the go-ahead he he said Yes to those demands and then two days later goes on national TV and says that racial bias doesn't exist in the Charles. Police Department and that terrence crutcher junior for instance, his death was due to his inability to deal with drug addiction because of the very clear implicit bias that that officer Betty Shelby had before shooting and killing him that showed me that this mayor. Although he talks of the right stuff that didn't really have what it took. To lead our city in the right way in for me understanding that it was the eve of. The race massacre anniversary understanding that we've never had in the city of Tulsa anyone seriously contend that wasn't white that it was time to give told sins a different sort of choice, and that's what I am. So I think that in the months following the decision Mayor Bynum has shown himself even more in that way I was not a mind reader. I didn't see the future, but it certainly his reactions and inability to stand up to donald trump protect tolkien's I think are very emblematic of what Communities who are kind of on the periphery in consistently left out of the status quo in the conversation have felt for the past four years. So that's why I'm running I feel that I had no choice at this point I know some people have come out in will say defending. Mayor Bynum saying that some of this was maybe outside of his hands or he's tried to do things to will say make things better for all Tulsen's. But because of pushback he hasn't been as successful as he has won it. So how would you kind of balance accomplishing your goals and sticking to sort of your morals and beliefs with I guess what you might call playing the political game to try to get things accomplished. I don't believe in. Playing politics when it Endangers the safety of tokens I don't care what the personal cost is. That's a lesson that I learned from my father and my mother I believe that you have to leverage the office of the mayor and your relationships with City Council annual relationships with community to build consensus. It was Dr King himself it said the measure of a leader is, can he mold consensus? Can he search out consensus and to me? That's the difference between myself. A mayor bottom mayor bynum is okay with just searching for consensus and that's why one day you'll hear something and you'll be excited about it in the next day. When he goes to a different crowd, you'll hear something else because he searching or whatever it is going to get him politically to the next day. Nothing wrong with that unless you're actually trying to do things for people and that's where I am. So in my work, I worked with the city as well. The everyone at the city does not agree with me opposite he counselors don't agree with with my views, but when you're able to sit down. Understand where people shared interests and self interests are what they're trying to get across in communicate what you're trying to get across and put the effort into actually finding a solution when people know where you are. It's a lot easier to work within whether you all agree or not, and to meet we've seen countless times where mayor Bina, because of the fraternal order of police or because of the Republican. Party he's softened on stances that he honestly had the majority of Tulsen's behind him. Again, I'm not someone who is running because I disliked mayor mine him or like him as a person I'm someone who is running because I've felt betrayed by his inaction. And so this is not a personal election. This is about. The fact that we can do something better in the city of Tulsa. As long as we have a leader that's willing to stand with people I'm instead of politics. I'm pushing back on that. Political statement because I think for too long we allow. Political Ambitions to cloud proper decision making and to me that's why there's so many people who are disengaged with the political process overall and quite frankly why you get someone like Donald. Trump, in office because people literally say in sales will at least I know where he's at even if I don't like him at least I'm more rich. That's where we've gotten to. So for me I, think we all went to Tulsen's to say, Hey. Forget political party. This is what I stand for. If you agree with these means vote for me if you don't don't vote for me but at least you'll know where I am right and I don't I don't know where vitamins right Up until recently, Judy, Benham had the support of very sort of progressive social justice type oriented organizations and people. What is your response to people's concerned that they want to vote for you but they are worried about splitting the sort of progressive numbers driven vote that leads to neither you nor gt bomb gang elected the Ralph Nader problem which I know is before your voting time because you were much younger than Chris and I but. Like what would you say to those people? Well Here's what I'd say we have a general primary this coming up on August twenty phase. The two candidates who get the most votes are going to go to the November election. If someone does not get over fifty percent I, think that the way that this is set up quite frankly being one that there is. No. Democratic. Primary Republican Pharmacists General Primary that people should vote for the person that they feel represents their values represents the direction that they wanna see the city go in the most sometimes again, we play this mathematical game if you're willing quite frankly to. Not, support, someone at this point because of because of a fear of of putting some sort of vote quite frankly you're not in the place. Of. The voters that I'm actually talking to in finding four and the reason I say that is because there are people in West. Tulsa right now with two and a half times fewer job opportunities than folks who live in town there are African Americans whose families have almost half of the income of the average white family native Americans are three and a half times as likely to. Be denied loans than white Tulsen's right. Now, if you go across the river to the West or to the or the highway to forty four to the north, the air becomes more toxic. It's harder to find housing harder to find sidewalks harder to find fresh food harder to find jobs in transportation and then when you look at the life expectancy gap, still an average of eight point. Four years between all south tolls ZIP. Code in North Tulsa Zip Code what I'm saying is that this is not an election that has no urgency to it. We have been suffering here in Tulsa we've just couched it in a in a in a beautiful package, but for as long as I can remember people who are kind of outside of that bubble in Tulsa have been struggling. And that's really what this campaign is about. It's to say that until we all have a mobility until we all feel safe until we all have opportunity, we're not gonna be the city that we say we want to be. So I say this to folks who are wondering about who they want to vote for I think I'm very clear about who I am and what I stand for. I don't. Think I'd say votes vote for it or not from that perspective I don't think you're GonNa get the same thing mayor Bynum as you're getting me I don't think any candidate particularly right now is going to give you what I'm giving you. Whether you like that are not is totally your choice. I'm not going to try to convince you I know one of the things that wind bynum was originally elected to the big things going for him was one the team he had put together and to his relationship with the city council and. And that's shown. He had a great ability to push what I'll say are. Some of the less controversial issues that he championed he was very successful with that. What his, what's your relationship like with the city council and how can you use that relationship to accomplish your goals? Absolutely. So I'll say this I've been able privileged to work with all of the council members some who've now rolled off and have now works with the new council members as well on several different projects whether it's housing whether it's healthy. Neighborhoods overlay whether it's the criminal justice US and the equality indicators in working with them on what the city can do better and again. We don't agree on everything. But I think if you ask them, they would say, Hey, Greg Robinson is extremely consistent. He always comes speaking not for himself but for a community and we're always collaborative and transparent with what we're trying to accomplish. Have approached the council in data oriented way where we're not trying to present our opinions as much as the qualitative and quantitative data that we're surfacing on behalf of these different areas of the community and to me that those are skills that. You need as a matter. The other thing I would say is when you talk about the mayor's teams I, am just as close to the people in the mayor's office as the mayor is Ashley, Philipson Director Assistant Director of community development is a very dear friend and someone who we wanted to go to the mayor's office. She was the director of Medicare's foundation where I worked wonderful relationship with with Becky glico doctor, Erin Cayenne cameras. All of these folks are are incredible Toll Sans in our in our doing incredible work and I have worked with them Mike my capacity at met cares. To advance many of the things within the resilience strategy and the the equities that the data points out and so again. You're not getting someone in my candidacy who is four into the city of Tulsa foreign to the city government or foreign to the good work that has gone on in the city what you're getting in me as someone who because I've been. So close I've seen how close we truly are to taking the next level going to the next level as a city, and it is my estimation that it is a leader that. Is Willing again to finish it off regardless of the political or personal cost to to to get us to that to that place. So the parallel can feel very small, but that is the mayor's job. Right after you hire a staff in a put the proposals in front of you the after the community is supporting after the council is on board, it's your job to cross the finish line and if every time A. Public interest grew stands up in threatens you you'RE GONNA back down you're. You're you're you don't have the chops for that position. Look I can. Maybe you have mayor bottom on the podcast and ask him why he's made those decisions. I. Don't know but I'm telling you I was a supporter. I was a community advocate, a worker in good faith and I have felt betrayed by the decisions that he has made in has not. I mean, it does seem from the outside looking in mayor bynum had done more. To move the needle on. Equity Issues for Tulsa than. Seemingly most of the previous mayors had done. I mean was that more just cosmetic was would they're not real movement inequity or is it just that that now when the rubber meets the road, the changes aren't really being made. Less than a third of African Americans feel safe with the toast police department you saying the equality indicators reports now come out for two years. Bayer Bina says the right things but quite. The bar in the city of Tulsa for equity wasn't that high to begin with and quite frankly we've gotten so used to average being good enough just moving the bar forward just a little bit in this moment in the country what you're saying is that that can't be enough anymore right which should not have to people should not have too big to feel. Human in their own cities the Latin next community, the immigrant community should not have to beg to feel safe walking out of their homes trying to go to work in a city where we know that the contractors that are giving them the jobs very well know their immigration status right. So let's not play as if we are not benefiting from the immigrant community while we're trying to lock them up in, deport them without protection when you think about the issues with the the longstanding issues with poor communities in this city whether they're northeast Tulsa or whether. They're West Tulsa. These communities have been left to languish wear drugs at an absence of economic development has continued to cop pulverize any growth that that wants to develop out of there, and instead we focused on what we're doing well in the kind of honeypots, right the the midtown's downtowns in as long as a mayor is doing that everyone ignores what they're not doing mayor bynum is no different in that, and so all I'm saying is that sure is mayor bynum doing what all the other mayors have done and maybe putting a sweeter in on. Yes. But we weren't. We've there was a whole portion of Tulsa that wasn't hasn't been happy for a hundred years. Right and so no, he's not doing enough I'm sorry because he's doing the same things that everyone else was doing before now again, there's a portion of Tulsen's who that is comfortable to. That's where they're used to I. Get it right But there is a large percentage of Tulsen's. Who are being left out in the end so then the question becomes will, why does that matter to those who have felt good we actually don't realize what we're missing out on by not being as inclusive city in welcoming a city as we could be if we had an inclusive economic development. Strategy. We could compete with the Houston's with Dallas's deals with the fails we have people who Could come Natasa right end stay, and build their lives and build businesses. But because we're still in sort of a time work backwards space, why would I when I can go to these cities that have more cultural diversity have more economic diversity and I feel like I have a better chance to make it why wouldn't I move to a oiseaux broken Arrow when I know I, can just go to church in Tulsa but I don't have to live there. Because communities outside of downtown or outside of Middletown they don't have the sort of. In housing investment right in them, and I'm saying when a city is built on sales tax dollars, we know that's what drives us. We have to actually be focused on creating multiple pockets of economic development in healthy housing. So the wherever you live in the city you feel as if you're connected, you feel as if you can stay right there that sort of economic growth that sort of prosperity for everyone ultimately creates a more prosperous city in all of us enjoy the benefits of the and so again, this is not about taking from anyone. This is about saying when we add to others around us, were all going to experience the benefits of that. And I have just been. I've been waiting on a leader to say this is approaching one I take adopted Mayor Bynum was going to do that. He signalled those things but he hasn't delivered. You ended up answering the question I was GONNA ask which was pretend cry to midtown Republicans what would you say to us that? Like a rising tide lifts all boats sort of situation, which again, that makes sense to me, and even though you did answer my question, I'm going to ask you a little bit differently, which is that, how would you talk to people who have been doing fine under let's say any Tulsa mayor up until now. Right but people who might feel like who even matter what you say might be concerned that a program you that you're going to do is going to take some sort of tax money city money away from their neighborhood to spend in. West Elsa in Nortel. I actually play this. I think that Tulsen's our greatest resource and I would ask them do they really know how our money is being spent because I certainly didn't until I are taking a deep dive into the budget I would say to them hey one of the things that I wanna do is create a participatory element of our budgeting process just like we do in our vision packages so that we the the city of tolls of the departments that we're made up of. After come out to you on every side of the city and say look. Years a pot of money that we can decide how we want to spend it that way they have ownership investment in where their sales tax dollars within the city of Tulsa are going. The other thing I would say to them is the city of Tulsa, again is built on sales tax not property tax so it actually doesn't matter how wealthy. You are in terms of the place that you live. If you are spending money in the city of Tulsa living in the city of Tulsa you have just as much right to see the diversity of tax dollars is anyone else does in that's why it's such a good strategy to get development in every corner so that people don't have to travel so far to benefit the city of Tulsa right? It's literally a math problem. From my perspective. And then the last thing is. I think sometimes we assume. Unfairly that people don't want to see other people succeed I think that because we played politics so much that it it becomes kind of tagline in a for as but one of the things that I get excited about is when I have conversations like the ones I'm having with you walks I don't know what you thought of me before this interview but I, don't think that the things I'm saying are coming off to you very radical or scary. At all at. That's the same thing that happens when we have conversations with Tulsen's in general. Yes. Grew up in North Tulsa but I went to school at Eisenhower National I'm fluent in Spanish I went to Monte Cassino middle school a very affluent community and then I graduated from Booker T. Washington High School, I have been an engaged in have ranson and really family from every corner every socioeconomic. Boundaries within the city, the messages that I'm coming from is a space of. Of How do we improve? Tulsa, for all of us because. I feel as if I have a little bit of every part of Tulsa that. Inside of me and so I think again, what I'm excited about this election is to say that we've just been so used to only sing things one way. We don't have to be threatened by another way of thinking, and so I just want to engage with. Midtown Republicans or conservatives in inside that. Hey. I think actually we are more alike than we are different. Let's engage in a conversation. Let me understand what is important to you are pulses what do you value and then let me give you a perspective of what Tulsen's that may be. You don't experience quite as much as they value and can we come to Collaborative spaces, can we come to agreement on on where we want to go as a city? The last thing I'll say is while while I, have value Y. Have Vision I'm not immovable object right I'm not someone who says the way that I think it needs to go. This is the way it has to go I want us to succeed as a whole and if communities organizations, groups have ideas and best practices on how we can have inclusive growth than I. Woke those to the table. So yeah, I wanNA talk to everybody. And and I think what that does is it Kinda breaks down the barriers that have kept us apart for so long? I think Chris is a better judge of whether what you said seems radical. Than me as someone who is raised by two. Super. Liberal. New York Jews in Broken Arrow. Oklahoma. So. You talked about a series of campaigns that you worked on where you lost. I'm GonNa make an assumption that the Hillary Clinton one was the most depressing of those losses but. What did you take away from those losses? Well, the thing I love about organizing is the result of the campaign was loss, but organizing is actually all about building power within the communities in which you are, and so while the campaign result was a loss, actually the the benefit to me was, for instance, being in in in Dallas when I was in the Arts district there, which is known as kind of Oak Cliff. I was able to engage with the latter makes community and get them politically involved. They were trying to elect their first lap they next representative in. North. Texas at time if you can believe that for just getting them engaged in teaching them the organizing skills was incredibly power When I started my campaigning, the story I tell Lofton is I was knocking on doors and I was knocking in kind of a single muggers home, a sort of neighborhood. And a young man answered the door and I gave him my spiel and he after I finished he said to me hey, I was brought before Barack got elected man broke. Now you get the hell off my porch. was incredibly heartbreaking to me right because I had on this sue was coming from from the university and I was working for the first black president and I'm a young man and I'm changing the world right and he brought me back down to earth and said, remember where you can't. This community is just like the lesson that I took from daddy as how people really don't believe government works for them. It is our job to teach them that they actually have a voice in they have a responsibility to demand that it does right and so the wind that I got out of that campaign was not just Barack Winnie. But. The that city that I worked in elected their first black female mayor in the also passed an ordinance that pushed the bus kept the bus routes going past six PM. Can you imagine right? Exactly. You imagine not hiring buses that run after six pm but it was this sort of city where there were the haves and the have not in in. Florida. When I worked for the Hilary Clinton, campaign again act traveled from Iowa to Alabama to Missouri and then to Florida working organizing up in communities that have been long forgotten, just giving them the inspiration giving them the hope giving them the tools to say regardless of whether we win or not you all now have the tools to impact their community. That's really what I. took away and and so when I came back to Tulsa. That's the work that we've done. The reason that there were thousands of people protesting in the streets of Brookside in Tulsa Oklahoma right. Going as far as to shut down a interstate or half an hour was not just because we woke up one day and decided that's what we wanted to do. It's because we organized and built power months to people and said, hey, we can do something about the issues that we're facing and to me that's why this campaign of Mine it makes ludicrous to some but to me and to folks who have been. Working in this space it feels like a very natural progression because it is saying that, hey, we've been in City Hall. Now we've created we've research we've we know what solutions are to the issues, and if we don't have a mayor or leadership at his willing to go the extra mile to to help us get those things done, then we'll do it ourselves because we feel empowered to do that and so to me. Even if you don't agree with me, that's Okay I essentially just want to create a Tulsa where there is more civic action more civic responsibility I think we'd get better as a city I don't want to own the city of Tulsa. TO BE A. A Monolithic thinking place I just want more people to be involved in the process and I think that those lessons are what I took from organizing across the country even in the losses, it's not about the result it's about the process for me, and that's what this campaign is. About are we gonNA run a campaign of week where we're talking about issues that are affecting Tulsen's in have affected them for a long time? Are we gonNA give Tulsen's a choice are going to impact the direction of the city win or lose so that we can continue advocating on fighting for better city win or lose. Sorry those really good. So I know that you've you've referenced that some of those same leaders that you've worked with our mentors to you Dr Tiffany crutcher many others you've mentioned would have you taken from them that can help you both in the campaign and also if you're elected mayor. Absolutely. So I just started shifting graduate because you mentioned her the fact is she took her twin brother's death row again, regardless of of what you feel about that, her twin brother Dot. So from our perspective, she lost the twin brother. She took that death and said. I'm going to inspire your. Change I'm going to take the worst thing that could have happened to me and turn it into something positive for me other people as I can. The reason that they're resonates with me is I have a mother who. Lost Her career as a senior accountant at the Williams compromise right alarm if if it's not the largest employer at one time I was in the city. To senior accountant their. Last her career because of her bout with multiple sclerosis. My mother can no longer walk. My mother is bedridden mother lost her husband. My I saw my mother basically lose everything and yet if you Chris an you Jesse go visit her right now she's GonNa. Look at you kinda funny. Turns it aside. You why you haven't been working out in the gym And we'll see what she can help you with because that's what she's about to not worry about her law. She's worried about what she can do for other people. Those, that sort of my set is one that I try to emulate intake into my work. One of I've been saying selfless is really not selfless is self last right I think it's a wrong thing to say self listened myself list I. Just try to put myself last in terms of of of mice being a servant. Now, another mentor of mine is Vanessa. Who is by any stretch is again whether you agree or not you have to admire her ta- Nasty you have to mar the fact that you know where she stands. The thing that I am shocked by is on the outside, you would say woo mad black woman right active protester if you take five minutes and talk to Vanessa Harper, she's one of the detail oriented critical thinking legis legislative leaders that we have in our city and quite frankly I would say in our state she is so detail oriented she is. So in the weeds, she's such a good policy maker and so committed for her to her constituents. That is something that I've learned from her mentor Oh my goodness up forget it Shirley Chisholm is she takes his but that unbought unbiased model again when you when you listen to me, you're like, why is he so? So aggravated with people who WanNa play politics because when we're bought, we're bossed right and so for me I think mayor bottom a little bit is is bought in Boston I. Think it's affecting his decisions. So I take that from her is to remain true to your constituents more than your political. Ambition. Those people are folks that I that I genuinely look up to, and then the last one that I wanNA mention is actually Reverend Wright online who is the executive director of make cares foundation is also the pastor a Metropolitan Baptist Church and is someone who I have just seen always lead with grace hours league with patients, and although he has some very strong beliefs, he has an incredible ability to kind of reach across the aisle in. Communicate with folks who may be from totally different worlds than than he is and I think because of that, he really is able to impact people that he comes across also impact the entire community of Tulsa for good that is that is a skill set that I am trying to learn from and developing grow. The other thing he does incredibly well is he puts people in position that are talented and allows them to do work in. That is also another aspect of my leadership style is that have to have all the answers I think that this earlier to you? I want to find the best people if they exist mayor bindings administration right now let's keep them if they exist outside, let's go find them in the unless put them in position to lead our city in the best in the best way. So those are three folks that I've I've. Learned From and continue to learn from I'm just proud to be able to work alongside every day. Let me ask you so. Curve six, seven, eight weeks ago Chris and I had a Samson young way on the podcast a day before. Was Killed and we were talking with him about. How, hard like how he had to start an organization just to find out how many people were killed by the police on a yearly basis And one of the things he talked about was. No matter. How powerful a like mayor or governor is when it comes to issues to the police, they have to deal with apparently the one remaining union that survived the union busting the past fifty years, which is the the police union yet, right so Specifically talking about Tulsa. What as mayor could you do when? All you have is sort of PR and your voice, but no actual ability to change the rules of a organization that controls who you can hire. You can fire what the rules of engagement are, etc. Oh wow. Have really bought into this propaganda that is good. Our of the vaginal order release it. It's such a propaganda machine that we think that a union ayatollah shape apparently are. Honestly, we have to have self awareness problem just listen certainly unions protect the folks that they represented in I don't WanNA sound. Anti Union at all, I'm not what I am is is anti corruption. Would I am antibeach against the best people and so I say this I mean this if the fraternal release tomorrow at begins to reflect the wants and needs of people and even most of the police in there that they're supposed to be representing I were one hundred percents of Horton. Now, the reason that I don't support them is because in my conversations with police officers I don't actually see what the fraternal order of police expelled saying being reflective of what the rank and file a police officer actually believes in in an represents, win the win, the fraternal order police comes out and says that in office of the independent Monitor is going to increase cry that's propaganda. Right let let's explain what an office of the independent monitor is I'm GonNa do this on behalf of mayor binder because I I want to stand with him if you whatever stand up so In Office Independent. Simply provides an outside office that will sit with internal affairs during investigations and then actively monitored that investigation providing advice. Hey, why don't we interview these options? Why don't we interview these witnesses? Hey here's my recommendation on what the punishment should be that way whatever internal affairs and the monitor come up with together while they're proposing this to the chief and the mayor, and then sitting with the chief and the mayor to decide of the punishment or not punishment there's been. An outside source that has had is on that that actually creates a decision that has built in more trust into it. You see what I'm saying. So it actually builds trust within the community that has nothing to do with with with increasing cries if there's a citizen review board component that holds that outside independent monitor accountable so that they are accountable to the citizens not accountable to the police force they're investigating it just makes common sense yet you see A. Fraternal of release come out and try and spew propaganda. Right. So then that makes someone like me who is always on the side of people very frustrated. When I don't see the fraternal order of police come out and be aggressive against officers that are making the majority of their good officers look horrible and make their jobs harder. I get very confused when you get it when you have an officer come out and make racist comments, right? We don't even say that word but I'm going to say it. Major Gates made racist comments right in public. He's a major. In the force, the fraternal order police should have been the first group to come out and say, this is not reflective of what we stand for. When you don't do that you a white supremacy you give room for systemic races right. Major Yates is still on the force when you see officers come out and aggressively. Arrest Young people in their neighborhood walking across the street. When Chris and Jessie? I'M GONNA go back and look at the cameras downtown but I bet I have spotted you. They walking down to all the time. I do it on purpose from these are the scenes down. Anti. What we want in terms of creating a police force where they feel upbeat where they feel good about what they're doing and win the fraternal of police doesn't come out against that when the mayor doesn't come out against that it actually does a disservice to their cause and so for me this is why I say that my holistic you of. Public Safety is that it has to be inclusive of funding for mental health and public resources because that is actually a real deterrence a cry we actually have to put our public servants like police officers in a position where they can do their jobs better. So we're not asking them to be mental health counselors. We're not asking them to immigration of fish. Were just asking them to be officers. Right that to me is pro police as you get I am pro good officers have all ways being can name you officers that have impacted my life just young young man officers like officer. Alexander Wright who who've committed to being excellent forever officers like Sergeant Harper Been. Forever, the police chief window Franklin himself while I was very upset at the process that the mayor undertook. I understand that window Franklin he grew up in north. Wales just like I did he came up in the Tulsa Police Department and became the head of that's an incredible accomplishment. I just wish that mayor bind would have trusted him enough to allow for a national search to take place to allow for an entire community to have a say and to have questions answered by our public. Officials so that we could then have trust in the department. Again, I am about solving the issue. The issue at hand is trust in the department. You don't Brill Trust by being a propagandist in terms of an organism police you don't build trust in terms of not being transparent in terms of your leadership in terms of your policies, and so I say all of that to say. This is not about we're not going to be afraid to stand up for Tolson. That's why in our negotiations we said mayor bynum taken arbitration. If we lose, then we lose but take them to arbitration take them into collective bargaining. You're the mayor this is the city of Tulsa. If we have to change the charter, let's change the charter but why would we be getting? Pumped. By A few people without sized power in in a police union we have to that's why our country is saying right now across the nation enough is enough and so to me, it is a representation of the inability of us to stand up to systemic racism to stand up to white supremacy and say, we are going to walk in a different light, and if you don't WanNa get on that train, you don't belong in leadership in the city of time I'm willing to say that. If you WANNA fight against that fine. But I think there are more toll since are my side more elected officials on my side and that together we want to go on a better to rich. I would have been shamed once one next. One of our, Our future guests that we're working on trying to schedule is another political candidate who I believe. It appears that you're close with Kojo Asamoah Caesar. Is it fair that you're close with him? Eric? So. have. Have you taken anything from his campaign so far and? was there any inspiration for you for why you did finally say there's no one else in it's gotta be me Joe is a lot smarter than I am. Man In Terni that that is is humbling A. Kindergarten classroom, I literally sat in the back closet of a church in wash. This man builds the foundation of an entire school and then bring it to life. I was just the person who was able to market that vision. So trust me. I, know very well, this man's capital bility's in so. I have taken a lot from him over the years with our work in his leadership style and his ability and have no doubt that he is the sort of leader that Oklahoma needs in Congress. Now to your question about my really begging because that's what it was begging. My political elders or mentor to run for office I'll I can say that I'd tried I did as much as I could because I truly believe that we needed an option and quite frankly. If you can tell by my rhetoric today I'm probably not the best politician in the world. So I am aware enough to know that. I'm aware enough to know that there are probably people who are better at the political thing than I but at the end of the day when I had to decide whether to use question. was average good enough. My answer had to be no and. It for me is personal on a level, not personal in terms of who may or buying a right not personal in that way, I wish that man and his family, all always the most prosperity. But personal for me knowing that my father walked me around. And told me what it was that my family has been in Tulsa in the state of Oklahoma. News before it was a state. That I have seen. What this? Scene were hurt through stories, what the city could be for native Americans for African Americans, and I've seen the incredible injustices that if ripped us apart as a people. and. For me on the eve of the one, hundred year anniversary of the race Nascar the question that I really had to sit with was. What do we want to be true a generation from now I didn't think that we could pass up this particular moment and not provide a choice at conversation and a question to Tulsa. and. I'll also say that as I was on the fall with with so would not a supporter with voter hoagies order but with the voter today. He said you sound like someone who? Doesn't know their chances of winning or isn't necessarily as concerned about and what I said to him was winning sometimes isn't the reason that you on it doesn't mean that you don't walk told him or you don't believe you can win but does it have to be the reason that you're running? Right? The reason that I'm running is because I think the city. Is only going to get to where we can get to if the little boys and girls in in North Tulsa East Hall. So wet Tulsa have as much faith in what they can become as the boys and girls that are coming from more press for more prosperous communities, and you don't have to say those things. To them at the end of the day, this is about combating a universal hopelessness that people who have been left out of the American draining feel an until. Endeavor for me. Is Enough of a reason and if no one was willing to step up and do that fine I'll step up endured. That's a worthy enough cause me to put myself out there, and if you say nothing else about me just know that because whether I win or lose literally the next day I'm going to go right back to doing what I was doing before, which is I need to make sure those little was in boroughs. In the corners of the city that have been left out have as much opportunity as they can cause I'm that little boy. That's who I am, and so that's what I opened today. At the end of the day that's officers about me I we have a normal question but in this case I want to ask him more pop related politics question. So as someone who has been involved in politics, are you a parks and REC? Person Avi person or a West Wing Person Or none of the above yet. Sorry. None of the above. All right I in campaigns and everybody talks about the West wing I never even watched it and were never watch it for that reason Parkland again no at. It's probably funny. But not my cup of tea, and then if I was GonNa Watch something, it would be veep. Okay. Let me. Yeah I'll stop there I acted Improperly remorse a house cards like the first couple seasons guy. Thank the good the good season the. Last last question. So let's say some of our listeners get get inspired and they wanNA connect they wanNA help out how can they do that? Greg Tulsa Dot. Com Greg for Tulsa on all of the social media outlets. I think we even have take talk organizers at this point. Then that Greg for Tulsa volunteers on Facebook, I think has over a thousand folks and growing. So all of those places, we're very active in communicating with our volunteers with our supporters join in the movement the campaign we want to hear Your Voice WanNa hear how you WanNa Make Tulsa better. For. Also, well done and making sure that your signs were bigger than Coho signs. So, your lawn signs fight I can't win the hype battle with Mike. Into? What man complex and make. Larger To confuse people saw. Think so much for joining us today and hopefully after after the runoff. You are still in the running and maybe we can have you on again and we can talk more about how you make more. Equitable and vibrant place. Thank you Jessie. Thank you. Chris. Average. Thank you. Thank you all for listening to our conversation with Greg to find out more about his campaign and how you can get evolved. You can go to his website Greg for Tulsa Dot com also, there are multiple groups on facebook And check them out Greg for Tulsa Greg volunteers all of those the first time Chris shows up in the closing of pot for good. Momentous occasion. Please remember to rate and subscribe to the podcast anywhere. PODCAST can be found and tells Tulsa again for what is I think the fifth time please be safe out there wash your hands get it done. And wear a mask.

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