17 Burst results for "Bannon David"
"bannon david" Discussed on KGO 810
"David Katz Katz is a former United States assist. I'm sorry, U. S attorney assistant US David Katz is a former assistant U S attorney. Sorry it's getting late. Very what, exactly on DH? He's joining us right now. We're talking about Steve Bannon. David, by the way, right now is a criminal defense attorney s O Steve Bannon was arrested and he was arrested. He's being charged with Wire wire fraud. I think I don't have it right in front of the wire fraud and something that has to do with intentional money laundering. Yeah, tell us David conspiracy to commit wire fraud and also a conspiracy to commit money laundering, money laundering. And basically you do something illegal to get money. Like you commit a fraud, like their alleged to have committed departing thousands of people who are contributing money for a wall. But you're actually pocketing the money. Once you've done something like that, you've done a scam and you pocketed the money. Then you do something with the money. To put the money either into another form to buy something whether to transfer it from one account to a trust account. Let's say that's the money laundering, but nothing about the case. They're all stations 40 years in prison, potentially, you know, they always had the high numbers that freak people out. But there's actually something called the federal sentencing guidelines that everybody members from the barge of stone case now. Right and his commuted sentence, But basically, they're the sentencing guidelines that indicate what the sentence is going today. But the sense here's potentially quite high because They raised about $20 million, and if they raise $20 million by fraud, and they pocketed a lot of it, you're getting up into some pretty happy person sentences. That's why it may be that some of these people will cooperate on others. It may also be in the fullest time that someone like Bannon cooperates about President Trump and what he knows about some of these other characters right in the administration in the campaign. You don't have to cooperate. Just in the case that you're involved in. You could also provide substantial assistance in other investigations. So that's what the possibility out there And then I suppose, even a possibility that there might be a partner in his future. But wow, Wow, That just seems a little bit difficult to happen so that things stand right now. He is presumed innocent but is found guilty. He could get a 40 year sentence potentially and under sentencing guidelines several years in the penitentiary under the guidelines, so he he made a not guilty plea today. I want I want to get a couple calls on here, David, But first I want to ask about he was Pope. Acing this $5 million bond, and here's something that confuse confuses me. But when people are involved in these financial crimes aren't their assets often frozen as they ascertain, you know, they can't keep the ill gotten gains, and there may be financial penalties that are assessed. So in this case, that's I mean, you don't freeze the assets in a case like this. Oh, this is a hot button issue for the white collar Criminal defense bar. You know, from our point of view, what doing now representing? I mean I represent people in case is just You know this same sort of case, you know, Conspiracy to commit wire and nail thought. Money laundering on opposition is always your presumed innocent. I mean, you're allowed to spend the money on food and housing and you're allowed to spend it on a good lawyer so you can defend yourself. The other side. The government always says you don't have a constitutional right to spend other people's money for food or for a good lawyer. So the reality is that in a situation like this because of the presumption of innocents Probably Bannon and the other defendants. Their funds will not be frozen. They will be allowed. If there's a closer nexus. You know an old lady. You've taken the money from her. You told her you were going to invest in or well, you bought a Ferrari? Yes, they're probably going to seize that Ferrari, right or bank accounts that closely tied to money. But something is diffuse. Is this The reality is that the property will be allowed to use what the government was all the ill gotten gains but which the defense will say money That's presumably, you know, not tainted because they're presumed innocent. See, I could see that when it comes to perhaps the essentials of your life. I can't see that. What is posting bail? It kind of seems to me like, you know, it seems unfair that you're for defrauding people. And you could potentially used the money that you gleaned or money that you made off of the money that you took in a crooked way. In order to get yourself out of prison. It's I have a little trouble with that. But listen, there's a good call here that I want to get on the air. I mean, they're all good calls, But let me grab this one first. This is Mike is calling from Sacramento. Mike. Hi. Welcome to KGO. You're on with David Katz. Go ahead. Hi early. You're said that that Donald Trump Jr was one of the founders of this particular charity. So if his name is on this charity Riton. He'd be liable for for things that happened when in the process of these money being laundered. Yeah. Why wasn't Donald Trump Jr arrested? Huh? He gave us speaks. Which said that this wass private enterprise at X Dynasty on one occasion, But I mean, in fairness, and you have to be fair, you know, Donald Trump Jr like everybody else. Hey, didn't coordinated. He didn't know that The money was not let's say going 100% to the wall. I agreed to do it sort of a fantastical idea that you could contribute $60 and that somehow anybody could really build a wall with that money, But that was the pitch. That's what these people were told. And you know, I did. That's what I did. For years and years. I used to work with the postal inspectors, which was the agency on this case, getting these people the small investors their money back. And a lot of really are bamboozled and just like they think they're getting a piece of an oil Well, that's really going to come in. They really believe that they're going to build that wall. And whatever reason, you know, this is America. They have a right to contribute for that charitable purpose. It believe in that. But they're told over and over again. It's going to be used 100% exclusively. That's what these investors these donors. We're told. It's going to be used 100%. For the wall, your donation and then a lot of it was allegedly pocketed and used for fancy SUVs and boats and personal expenses by Dad and the others, But it was not done by Donald Trump Jr. He didn't get any of the money he didn't do at the of the you know, moving the money around. He didn't do any of the alleged cover up way. He was fairly not charge. He was barely not charges in this indictment. Yeah. Yeah, And it's a spoke. His own spokesperson is the one who said he just made a speech on their website. He was listed along with Corey Lewandowski and Kimberly Guilfoyle as people who endorsed this charity, but because they endorsed the charity, it doesn't mean that they profited from the charity or from the illegality and certainly did knowingly profit from that, apparently, so I guess that's AH, That's one of the other reasons. But they're not considered liable for how crooked it is. I mean, you know you have responsibility You put you were ever in trouble. You would take my number, but you're never going to be in trouble thinking up. They taking that balanced the way that you think I don't I don't really, but I'm trying to because you're having an influence on me right now. Okay, Let's see. Let me let me get one more phone call in here. And then I want to ask you about something else that peripherally you know, maybe attached to this. Let's go to a Gary first in Daly City. Hey, Hi. Welcome to kgo your Alma David Katz. Go ahead, say 26 years, but it kind of went one. The money's offshore, Good looking. If it is like a pyramid scheme that's always Trump Jr should be involved. But you said earlier that Trump would have nothing to worry about any kind of correct Trump's got bandits but with Trump since the star like Roger Stone Trump's got everything to worry about. The party is already in the mail..
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"Weird sort of thing. Should we close was sad? Steve Bannon, David we. Yes. Absolutely. Let's do it. He went to to Pika. He went to Pika Kansas story was in the Topeka capital journal. He went to a Holiday Inn last week to stump big week for Holiday Inn. But that's that's that bad Muller press conference was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Forget about that. We get for the for the room you can rent at holiday in. You always walked past those when you're at the kind of like small holiday like who who really is using this. We we actually we actually answered the question. This is a Cording to the pitch KC. He he attended this rally for Steve Watkins Republican went up hanging on to his seat in Kansas. A second gresh district last night. According to Smith who was the reporter there, this Smith of the to be capital journal approximately seventeen people showed up this Steve Bannon. He was wearing these D Bandon, multiple shirts, sneakers and safari jacket. Look he also out if you're looking at this photo, but it's incredible. It's you can see in the background the flat screen TV with the cords. Just kinda hang gourds going all the way across the wall. You're like, it's your campus dorm dorm room and also the carpet of the Holiday Inn, which I just love having seen it so many times it's kind of one kind of semi concentric circles. Kind of a Brown teal and tan pattern. This is really the alternate. I just and and it was kind of like there were more articles written about St. bed. And being this thing that we're people in -tendance what a moment. Yeah. I mean, he did I will say Bannon had Bannon's had had a bit at a positive moment in the week, which was the David Frum essay about debating Bannon and losing to ban in surprisingly losing to ban, by the way. I don't know. I didn't see David from last night. I don't know if he's ossified to the point where he's not there. He doesn't he's not getting on TV. There was a live Atlantic event happening. I made that up, but. I totally believe in. But yeah, I mean, there's there's. I think that that we, you know, we've we've spent a lot of time and talking about Bannon and dedicated a lot of head space to them over the past couple of years, and and you know, I think that when we talked about the New York New yorker festival hubbub, you know, one of the things that we discussed was that. He was also speaking to other festivals the exact same time, whether like ideas festivals at the same time, and you know, there's different ways. There's there's different economic philosophies behind, you know, behind. You know, the way you put yourself out there for your for your sort of, you know, victory lap or whatever. But you know, supply and demand does dictate that like the more you get out there. Eventually people are gonna stop showing up. Right. I mean, if he had gone to the same venue for his first post White House, you know, appearance, there probably would have been a lot more people there. But it is it is quoted in every story now, by the way, have you noticed that you just put a record? Yeah. Yeah. You open a random like there was a Jordan the New York Times at a big George Soros piece. The other day kind of how Soros became the conservative boogeyman and Bannon head this kind of amazing line where he was like I want to be the George Soros to I want to be George Soros to the left like I wanna be so effective. And so powerful that they they consider me like that, you know, right now, they consider me his got like semi washed up, you know, native nativist guy. But I wanna be that. But he's just available apparently for quotation in anything. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna call them. My next piece about play by play man. You know, just said Steve Bannon who masterminded Donald Trump's twenty sixteen campaign. Absolutely. Do you should call them? And see if there's anything he wants to talk about that, you know, outside of the political fear. Just segue. What what are you interested in? Why? What can I get you on the record?.
"bannon david" Discussed on No Laying Up
"There's there's a few that we're talking to people about, and I think that you know what my cousin has done is he's he's said the bar. I mean, he's been as important as anybody in the in this era of golf course architecture. He's provided a Bill in Bannon, David, Tom principally the opportunities to build great golf courses in on grade sites. He's the one who put that equation together, hey, you know, if you get a destination with a great golf course, can't be a good golf course. It has to be great. People will travel far flung stuff, and that's set the template for for her colour in for rich Mack, extreme song in for Pinehurst to do with their doing. So I think that there's a recognition now that. Somebody once said this to me the, there's always room for quality, build it, they will come kind of. It's it's right. I mean, there's there's golfing world doesn't have room for another mediocre golf course, but it will always have room for great. Of course, in people always go to to look for it in in and explore it find it in. So I think as a result, that standard is now been set really high and you're getting people like, you know, I've not seen it with my own eyes, but the photos of Tara eighty. Unbelievable insane. People going to the ends of the world Tasmania to do this. And so as a result, I think you know that those types of sites amid a pop up on the east coast of the United States, but they're gonna pop up somewhere around the world. All right. We're gonna let you out here on this. He'll go watch some golf. Thanks for spending our with us and don't stories and whatnot. Great. Great to pick your brain on a lot of these things, so. Well, thanks guys. I appreciate it was fun anytime. Thanks. Thank you. Peter Wright club today. That's. Better than most. Better than most.
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"I'm gonna confess to only glancing at one through numbers one through nine, but he writes, anyways, I think remnant messed up, but he shouldn't be defined by this to which the Atlantic Chris over rights shouldn't have his twenty year tenure, the New Yorker defined by this and anyone who thinks otherwise should be ignored indefinitely. And I, I mean, that's very funny to me. It's like, well, how can we have? Can we ever trust David remnant after this McCollum on man? I mean he ad was it Jilani Cobb that that said, I think this is from Emmy's it. Finally, one thing that has long disturbed me as the by the binary morality of this era. It's it's incredible though that the I mean, the Jeet here. Twelve is a great example of like the binary. Like we've gotten to such a point that like like trying to dismiss the binary nature of this of of the reactions has. Become itself binary, sort of that you have to, you have to. You have to give give give yourself over to the option that his legacy may be defined by this, like nobody nobody is saying this, no, and and the reactions of course are just going to be like, yes, you are crazy for this for this tweet that's trying to defuse the binary situation. It's fantastic for for an interview he wanted. He wanted to conduct on stage but never conducted. This should be the black Mark on his resume that never never erased. Yeah, I kinda don't think so. And I think the New Yorker will trundle on. I saw Isaac children or had a tweet to where he said that the New Yorkers coverage of Trump has been admirable in the sense that it has refused or declined in most cases to use euphemism, right. It is not locked up. Even though the New Yorker is in its own way, you know, stately magazine that has lots of ood clouds. And again, my my personal favorite by personal favorite moment ever was when I wrote a story about Star Wars. For the New Yorkers website. They spelled lightsaber s. a. b. r. e.. Sorry, this is just our style pretty pretty sure this is not what George Lucas intended. I the trademark term. I'm not sure where we have stylized this. It's one thing to capitalize the pe- in profile. It's another thing to spell lightsaber in your own particular way. That's that's a, that's a bridge too far for me, but the New Yorker which could which has been and can be as in previous incarnations fusty as any publication in America has been admirably non-fussy about Trump and has you know, attacked and investigated, and you know, editorialized and thunder against the Trump administration from go. And that's something that figures into this too, because, you know, that's it's again, I, I'm one hundred percent sure that that David rim Knicks idea of interviewing Steve Bannon on stage was not to give Bannon more attention or to somehow volt Bannon into respectability. Eighty, but was to continue what he New Yorker writers are already doing online in the pages of the magazine. Yeah, I still think that that you can hold both things in your head at the same time, that lake, they have that they the, the New Yorker has a proud tradition as even mid, especially in recent years of taking on the Trump administration and that inviting Steve Bannon onto the stage is a different sort of platforming that some can find objectionable, and that's totally fine..
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"You know what I mean? You you don't want to. You don't want the cordiality or at least that you don't want to even the pretense of it. But yeah, no. I mean, I think that I, I mean, that's definitely an old man. Curtis perspective that I've heard before, but I think I think there's a lot of legitimacy to it. I mean, I think that I think I'm not even saying it's wrong. I'm not even saying we should just cancel all this. Well, I just don't even think I know what you cancel stuff just I think we should probably think about it more. And I think we've, we've all pushed in this world. Thanks to technology like podcasting, right, and thanks to. We all need money and we need festivals by the way which includes south by which includes those times talks, the New York Times does, but baby baby may. We should just think about what's happening in those exchanges slightly harder they. I mean. I mean, I guarantee that many people who are performing on stage of this festival have made fun of like the national review cruise and their time, but at least a national review cruise as is almost is mostly occupied by national review staff members, and they're not just like, well, I guess they're probably are the right wing equivalent to some of these people, but it's like some like some jokes are easy, but like you're doing, you're doing exactly the same thing. It was fun. By the way scanning, they New Yorker festival listings defined things that were completely aboveboard such as a master class, in fact, checking like, I think, you know, I think they're pretty safe there, right? We're not by the way that that is a that is that is see how much fifty nine dollars for a masterclass. In fact, checking with my. My New Yorker fact checkers onstage we'll tell you had affect check a piece so that that'd probably does not bend any lines writer, or you know their art critic leading you on a tour of the Frick right? These, these are things that are very different, shall we say for journalists to do, but that's the sort of that sort of this kind of, you know here, here's a way to introduce our writers and staff members to the public, you know, and make some money in in the whole thing. The the other thing we've seen lately and this is certainly from the right, including the aforementioned Brad Stevens is that, you know, this is for them the latest evidence of the Twitter mob, right?.
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"I don't think, but again, if it's like remnant, if it's remnant grilling him in a podcast scenario rather than this kind of again, duet on stage. I don't think anybody would care. I think that's, I think that's what they'd want people to do to ban people who you know were again and hold anything, but the no platform position. No, no, I agree. And I, I think that the I think that part of that relates a conversation we've had a million times which is that if if the podcast appeared then we would know what the like people would listen to the conversation before they commented on it or a lot of people would right this now, I mean, the way they set it up is there is this just it? It's all hypothetical and it's all just waiting for conversation that now will never take place. Yeah. Now we're now we're now we're debating. NG people are debating. How would David rim Nick have have have yes conducted this interview that he is not in fact going to conduct, but he when I look over the program, I see lots of the stuff. What I'm talking about. Jeffrey Toobin talks to Sally gates, right boy. That's interesting. But Jeffrey Toobin writes about law for the magazine and Sally Yates is now an important figure. So to watch Jeffrey Toobin interview, Sally gates cost, you seventy nine dollars, right? I mean, I just I don't know that strikes me as strange Andrew Miranda's written some really excellent articles about media for the magazine talks to Chris Hayes price fifty, nine dollars. What what happens when Andrew Marantz writes about cable news for his next article in MSNBC or cable news in the time of Trump and he's done a co production on onstage with Chris as for, would you pay fifty nine dollars for and can I can I be old man courtesy for just a second and broaden this critique a little bit. This is me walking down Sunset Boulevard with my Walker, just yelling at traffic, but but. I wouldn't say the same queasiness that I that I feel about the festival panel setting is something that I also feel about. Let's say, podcasting, win up when a guest is often invited onto a podcast, and that becomes a kind of co performance, right? We see all the time. Journalists have somebody on their podcast, and the first tweet is it was such an honor to have so. And so on my podcast, something you'd never tweet about a printer view a, you'd never say, I was so honored to interview so and so for a for for a story, right? But once it goes into podcast mode, somehow it again get it, it ceases to become journalism and it becomes it may be kind of journalistic interview interview. It may be interesting, but often it becomes a kind of co production and and this is, and this is also to say, this is not new journalism. This is, you know, sportswriters agreeing to write the athletes memoirs, right? And lending their byline to the athlete. That's sort of what this is. This is, you know the sport, your local sports columnist, giving it to the team in the paper by day and hosting the coaches show on radio or TV by night. Yeah, it's all. But that is getting once you once you leave the bounds and get into that territory. I think that's that's where things sort of get weird. There's two different. I mean, yeah, there's there's the part that you're talking about which is like the deep hell the the deeply-held tenants of journalistic integrity, which I think are totally it. There's also the, you can see this just from an audience. I mean, like from the audience's point of view, who might not care about, you know, might not care about it on the in the exact same way you do. They're just like the, they'd be most awkward about the jovial conversation that goes on the first three minutes of the podcast. You know, I mean there when their perception of a hard hard hitting journalism is like running up in a fedora with a microphone asking tough questions..
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"But that doesn't mean that the exchange is is completely different. Yeah. I mean, I think that it was. I think that it I think that there's a big element in this sort of combines the first. And the second argument is that it's it. It's there's a huge element of this where it's just rim Necker the New Yorker sort of falling into this trap of self parody. And I think that, you know, I'm not all I don't know exactly how to define the loudest voices on Twitter that were condemning this because I don't think it's one group, but if you wanna take like like the far far left, you know, social media active part of of, you know of the discourse your, I'm not always sympathetic to annoy sympathetic to like the Chapo trap house. 'cause but regardless of what you, whether you think Bannon is Satan incarnate or just a political hack or both. You know, re- remnants fell. Yeah, exactly. Remnant fell. Ask backwards into this perception of him that people like him. I mean, it's not specific today, David, Nick, and he's widely respected or whatever. Because if he had all grasp the severity of what the reaction was going to be of the potential response, he wouldn't have done it or at least not done it in the way that he did. Because if you're so detached from the from the conversations that people are having from the work from from the from the, you know, the political discourse as to think of it only in terms of horse races or if you're, you know, if you're going to say he's an important political force, separate and above from all the other shit, you know, and and digging into that is important having this conversation is important. That's exactly the problem, right? Because you because if you, if you think if you think that Bannon is legitimately a white supremacist, you would not invite him onto the stage no matter whether or not he was already in a stylish political force, whatever, whatever, you know, the. The reasoning was in rim Knicks statement. You know, if you think that he's a white supremacist you wouldn't invite him if you realize that other people think he's a white supremacist and you just happen to disagree. You would have assigned that piece in the New Yorker already, right? If you think that if you think that that that there, if you think that this is what if he I, this is so confusing if you honestly don't entering the hall of mirrors there, but you just continue inviting them up on stage like that is what you is, what you do if you think that there are some adjustable politics or something behind an agenda, that merits some sort of debate, you know, I mean, I, I just don't know what the, I don't know about that by the way I think I think it's more of like man in the news. I think here's an important figure in politics rather than he's right about some things wrong about ninety percent of things. I don't. I don't even know if it if thinking gets that far. I think it's that Steve ban is an important gut, but don't you think by the way, if if remnant interviewed him on. A podcast and had what was surely to be a hard hitting interview or had included him as part of the p. interviewed him as part of the piece about the Trump assure to be skeptical about the Trump administration, nobody would care. No, none of this would have happened. Nobody would still exist but did, but it would not have risen to this level for sure..
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"Occupy that position on the stage given the fact that he's also doing the same thing for the economists. You know, the exactly like the exact same time that he just did that New York Times article that he's fed. He's so available that kind of so mind boggling to me. I don't. I don't. I don't quite understand this. He's the opposite of an exclusive. And I think in the time story that we were, I was just quoting from it said that Bannon was at the Venice film festival where he was. With Errol Morris appearing at the at the premiere of a movie that Errol Morris made about interviewing Steve Bannon. So it's actually there's another objection, which is this is the least exclusive interview that you could possibly have in who would want to see yet. Another interview with Steve Bannon. I wanna get the second issue here because this is actually much more persuasive to me, which is the problem here is not Steve ban. The problem here is the whole idea of this ideas festival now much derided term where eight is not a it is less journalistic interview and sort of bleeds into becoming a kind of co performance or duet. Right? Yeah, where you have a writer on stage and they're subject sitting next to them, and that's actually what people are objecting to hear. What do you make of that? I think there's definitely some truth to that. I think that. I think that as with most things on the internet, all of these things bleed bleed together in a way that makes you know the discussion a little bit unfruitful. But yeah, I mean, listen, there are, I mean you you were talking. I think before we on the air about some obvious examples of these sorts of, you know, interview New Yorker profiles that led to these, you know, the stage show version of it. You know, I mean, we the Newark New yorker festival's been going on forever. I mean, I as someone who does more podcasts than than my life would, you know, really has time to afford the idea of live podcasts are so a little bit mind boggling to me just going, but there is a huge. There are huge number of people that want to go out and see, you know a stage version of the thing they've heard or read already right now. That's true though. I think it's like slightly different when it's, you know, if you get the crooked media guys together and put them in a terrarium versus you know, a journalist and some. They are interviewing or may write about the future and put them together on stage and church fifty, nine bucks. Do you think it's because it's intellect because it it, it's journalistically like there is a lack of journalist, journalistic integrity or because it pulls back the curtain on on the the real enterprise, or is it both? I think it because it pushes the journalist into quasi journalistic territory where nobody's quite sure what we're doing. I mean, here's here's some context about this. John Seabrook who a New Yorker writer, still a New Yorker writer to my knowledge wrote this book called no brow years ago. Yeah, he was talking about the kind of end of the Tina Brown era. When when Brown was pursuing this, these kind of panels, these kind of synergistic to use the very now outdated phrase panels with Disney where you know it'd be held at a Disney resort, and it was kind of, you know, as he described it very vividly kind of combination of old, you know, sort of New Yorker, journalistic, highbrow integrity, you know, kind of coming into this kind of que-. Easy Tango with Disney money and marketing and everything else, and kind of getting mixed up into one thing. The New Yorker festival is a version of that idea that nobody is very queasy about anymore because we live in a world where one, the New York vessels been really successful and two. We also that magazine's need money to to succeed and if something makes money, then I think he put aside when you talk about profiles becoming panel. So just a couple that have pulled out of the air ju- June two thousand twelve. Tad friend writes a very good profile of Ben Stiller in the New Yorker in the magazine that October he interviews been Stiller at the New Yorker festival, onstage tickets cost, thirty five bucks this year..
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"You could imagine that rim, Nick felt an obligation to do this on some level or in another situation, would feel a certain obligation that that is separate from his obligation to his audience? Right. Like did there is a there is a journalistic. We are the New Yorker, we must do this thing. We must pursue this story that is separate from specifically what the audience would wanna read on a given week, right? I mean, I think so, but but I think that when you're talking about the New Yorker festival, yeah, you can imagine that I used to work at politics and prose bookstore in DC. This David remnant talk. Steve Bannon is a thing that theoretically would have happened there, whatever the whatever the early two thousand version of that was would QNA there. Paul, it does, but I can also imagine half of two thirds of the staff politics and prose walking out in protest the Steve Bannon like I, I could imagine this, you know that that all of these things are plausible. There's also thing about the New Yorker festival. I mean, listen. The the audience of the New Yorker festival certainly has some of that old money, New York crowd. But it also has it also has a very, I mean, it's also speaking to a very young, very vital, very Twitter, friendly audience or else why the fuck you inviting John Mullany onto the stage. I mean, it's not there the audiences. See. I mean, I remember when I first moved New York, you would look at the audiences for this and outside of the New Yorker masthead names like Malcolm glad. Well, who you know, whoever who you understand why they were there. There are a lot of these that seems so small. I kind of it was hard to imagine how they deserve merited placement on the festival, but they all sold out in thirty seconds. You know? I mean, it was the it is a very, very dedicated specific audience. And yeah, I mean, I think that all kind of feeds into, I mean, that is separate, like you said from the Twitter audience, but it all feeds into the reaction. Let me let me circle back to the idea of of interviewing Bannon and we're putting aside the idea of where you're interviewing them. Just the idea of we don't talk to Steve Bannon anymore. We don't talk to Stephen Miller. We don't talk to, you know, reactionary or racist bigot Trump types anymore. And by the way I've seen this extended to, we don't talk to me to perpetrators anymore. We don't. We don't give them oxygen, right? We don't. You know. I totally reject that idea and I don't think that that's I don't think that's really what's at stake here. And if that's what people are getting out of this remnant, remnants said when he was talking about how he was going to conduct the interview this actually before it was cancelled, he told the New York Times. I have every intention of asking him difficult questions and engaging in a series, even combative conversation. The audience it self by its presence puts a certain pressure on the conversation that an interview alone doesn't do. You can't jump on and off the record. But again, putting the festival idea the side. I just think that there's nothing. There's nothing inherently wrong with talking to these people. The the problem people have is almost always hell the article is handled or how the interview is handled if you in your times. Yeah, it's like if you're mad, it's because somebody did a kiss ASI access driven interview that said, oh, I'm, I got an audience with Steve Bannon. Let me share his thoughts without any pushback and selection. Any skepticism in. Any any any, you know, parentheses. Boy, that was boy, this is this talk about demographic? Sure. Is it sure bigoted and racist rain that that that's what people get mad about?.
"bannon david" Discussed on Channel 33
"Podcasts. The press box is the media podcast. We are not allowed to hold an ideas festival. We are Bryan Curtis, David shoemaker, maker of the ringer and David. This is what we at the rigor call it a Birgit c podcast because we're going to take the week off for Labor Day and in the whole New Yorker festival slash David rim Knicks slash, Steve Bannon story became a thing, and you sent me an Email saying, what. Man, I, you're putting me on the spot. I said, hey, maybe we should just do a mini emergency podcast about Steve Bannon. A lot of stuff has happened this week that would merit inclusion and a press box podcast, but but Steve Bannon and the New Yorker festival kinda seem like something we couldn't not talk about. Yeah, we're not gonna. We're not gonna get into the layoffs at the outline. We're not gonna get into Bob Woodward. That's that's next week show. We'll cover that. Yeah, we're not gonna do the overwork Twitter joke of the week which if you were wondering was going to be the video of Joe Biden jogging during campaign event in Pennsylvania, everyone tweeting he's running. And also tweeting the New York Times column by Brad Stevens titled now Twitter at it's the New Yorker and everyone tweeting. Okay, I'm updating my bio. So next, thanks to David Umberto that. So we're not doing the Twitter joke even though already. All right. David New Yorker festival, shall we start with a quick recap of the last two days of hostilities? Yeah, please go ahead. All right. It's David remnant editor of the New Yorker had been talking to Steve Bannon who we know as Trump's conciliatory to the outright about an interview. He'd been talking abandoned about this for some time, perhaps in print or on one of the New Yorkers quote, unquote radio podcast, and per the New York Times on July second producer working with the magazine in by the way already already a sentence, a producer working with the magazine. We truly do live in the twenty first century emailed Mr. Bannon to say that because they had not yet made something work. They would instead like to host him at the New Yorker festival in October. Quote, hell belt. We make an event of it. The Email to Mr. Bannon said, pause on that word of vent because we're gonna get back to that. It was announced on Monday that Bannon would headline the festival. I believe New York Times the first publication to use that word and that David is win. The shit storm started the kind of high middle brow, culture, types whom the New Yorker writers tend to interview at the festival returned off, and they began pulling out that list includes Judd appetite, John Mullany, Hassan montage, Jim Carey, boots, Riley patent Oswald there were probably others. And then there was a second insurrection by New Yorker writers who were upset that Bannon was invited to the festival. Those include Catherine Scholtz, Michael Schulman, Katy Waldman Roxane gay who was working on a story for the website and who tweeted, I hate having a brain. So after thinking it over and talking with the staff Ramnik calls Bannon to cancel. And then he writes in an Email to his staff, this is remnant. I've changed my mind. There's a better way to do this are writers of interviewed Steve. And for the New Yorker before, and if the opportunity presents itself, I'll interview him in a more traditionally journalistic setting as we first discussed and not on stage. And now we are at the point David in journalistic controversy where we are all piling on Brad Stevens. Colin, that's kind of like there's different. There's different mile markers in journalistic shit storm. When we pile on the Brad Stevens calm, I feel would we're almost to the finish line. We're just probably the having the press box about it is actually the last step. So so here we are, I would is fascinating to be about this how many people are doing an end zone dance about rim, Nick in the New Yorker backing down, you've got people who wanna know platform Steve Bannon and all the elements of the alright, you've got people who are sort of queasy about the whole idea of festivals and performances, and then you've got like conservatives who feel that, you know, all of journalism is taking its cues. Lefty, Twitter who are taking a bell because they've been proven right. So they say, once again..
"bannon david" Discussed on The Editors
"Neighborhood from your community from your family, when you're someone who basically thinks of yourself as okay, I have my college diploma. I'm basically the same kind of person. I bet consuming working creature who knows who I am and what I think from the people I follow on Twitter and what have you done by the way, this is true of so many people myself included to degree. I'm sure you know, then the brands take on this talismanic significance. They must be pure. They must be kind of austere. They actually can't actually allow for these kinds of moral failings because you have invested so much of them so much in them because you don't go to church. You don't even you don't assume that these are all fallen institutions and you win. The New Yorker is your church. Number one, you're willing to actually subscribe. Think about all these publications that have moved to subscription based models and our plus included. We want to be. A your tribe to some degree. Right? And when that happens, you're actually demanding and expecting more from these brands. So then people who came of age in an earlier period of journalism, there's not accustomed to it. They're blindsided by this and by the way, I'll just note that there are some people who are willing to engage with Steve Bannon. David Frum who has had critical words about a lot of folks at national review. But someone I greatly admire someone. I consider a friend. He is someone who is going to debate Steve Bannon is part of the monk lectures coming up soon. He someone who has been a really scab risk critic of Trump any someone who's gonna have engine things say that's going to be really, really interesting. But that debate is just not for a place like the New Yorker anymore. It's so funny to me. I see all of these events like in Sydney, Australia, there's going to be this festival of dangerous ideas. There are a lot of institutions that wanna monetize this idea that we share dangerous ideas. And then I looked at the list of talks they, we're going to have, wow, none of these ideas are remotely dangerous. They're pretty much all pretty banal. I can't say that about every single one, but that was my broad sense. So there's this idea that we want to be dangerous, but we also don't want to offend anyone inside of our tribe. And I've got to say at national review, we're a place where we don't feel an obligation to express arguments. You'll hear aired everywhere else in the world. Everywhere else in the media, there are plenty of outlets to express straightforward the case for democratic socialism and what have you. What we do is have very a very big and broad space for serious debates and that we think can serve as ought to take seriously. But it doesn't mean that we feel obligated to give a platform to people who are hostile to conservative ideas because you know, this is a community this institution that speaks to a movement. And I think that like navigating that divide that Michael was talking about before is catching a lot of people think we got a tagline from plus outta of that. Make us your tribe such exit question to you. Are we witnessing the closing of the liberal mind or just a strange hiccup and the social media era. Both. I think that the vast majority of the people we're talking about not liberals in any sense if that would, and I think social media makes it worse with the one caveat that the people who are driving this, our internal, not external. It's not usually the case the mob is winning. It's the case that the staff are winning. And I think that's a real shame Michael closing or hiccup. We're just waiting to see where the new lines are drawn and wear some of these venerated mainstream institutions how they get their legitimacy. Is it by engaging all comers, or is it by speaking toward a narrow upwardly mobile slice of the country, Ryan closing up. The closing happened a long time ago. So I'm going to say this in particular is hiccup. I think it's the closing. I think that Twitter mob is a catalyst, but there's a broader tectonic shifts afoot. Let's get a few more questions from our and our plus audience before we move on to hit a few other things. And then we wrap up this podcast Rhianna go first question to you from Scott d, Scott. Thanks so much for your question..
"bannon david" Discussed on MSNBC Morning Joe
"Are the adjustments that the left can make to prevail beyond the resistance, which I think a lot of people on the right may join the left to push back against Trump, but then the left has to do better with how they move forward. We can't assume everybody feels the same way we do know. I totally. We meaning the left. You. Onto the right of you moment. I completely agree with what you enjoy her saying about about the importance of listen to the other side and having an open dialogue. My alma mater Brown University a couple of years ago had Ray Kelly. The former police chief of New York come to speak and the students basically shouted him down, wouldn't let him speak because of stop and frisk, and I thought it was a terrible moment. The Brown people, this case is a little unusual because it wasn't Remm Nick so much canceling because remnant wanted to cancel it was he lost all his other speakers on you're in that position, what do you do? Well, and Joe, you know, there is there is the tinge in this presidency and in the language that's used that that feels dangerous that the president has at times incited racism and violence, and there are lines to be drawn. Well, Steve Bannon, David, Ignatius has excused those racist tirades. He's basically said that educated women are no longer needed by the Republicans. They're gone, just forget about them. And so. There's so much that Steve Bannon this said, there's so much that he believes in that conservatives like myself and liberal site. Mika find objectionable, but he is relevant. He is talking with Donald Trump's campaign staff every day. He's leading phone calls every day, talking about how to get Donald Trump. Reelected in twenty twenty. This is not a David, Duke losing a governor's race and coming in second and being invited here. This is a guy who is the president's had the president's ear inside the White House during the defining moments of his of his White House and is going to be running a campaign in one way or the other in twenty twenty that don't. We want to hear what he has to say and challenge him because remnant, I think rim Nick would have buried him rhetorically. He's obviously a newsmaker. Steve Bannon in my book is close to being the chief record. Of the international alliances. He goes after America's longtime friends. Now lies. Everybody who makes news it's is worth talking to just understand where they're coming from. I think what's unfortunate here is the invitation was extended. You can argue about whether it really was necessary to talk to Steve bed, David decided, yes. And then to be forced to back out of that by his his colleagues by other guests and rescind the immigration. I think that's what's the Ben's going to make a field day of. We want to feel that journalistic organizations, the gatherings that we sponsor places where you can have free debate. And I think the question we're increasingly facing with people in the Trump orbit is, are these people so extreme are? Are they so dangerous to the country that as as the common phrases now you shouldn't normalize them by asking them at all. If that's the case, don't get this process started. David. David rabbinic should have had a better discussion with staff and with a guest. Before extending the immigration. Gene Robinson, you've been around this news business a couple of years..
"bannon david" Discussed on Blamestorming
"We could have ended up with some week clearly could have ended up with someone who would have destroyed everything who've really destroyed the south if he was just a little bit more mentally sound at the troll you're saying basically we elected trump could have liked anyone basically in the public eye and we could have elected someone much more dangerous because we could have actually acted alex jones yeah or you know fanuc steve bannon david duke if they were a little more high profile if you had a chance to watch them on network television for a few years before he was in your living room and you're familiar with them yeah i the only problem is whenever you make this argument especially with liber version of trump it's so hard to think of anyone on that level because there's no one that horrible and michael moore would piss off trump supporters as much as trump supporter as trump pisses off us but he wouldn't be what he wouldn't be so she yeah exactly he but he probably be a fine president anyone tried to start wars con oh no there's no there's no moral equivalence he wouldn't there there's there's only a quivalent see in terms of in terms of how it would how it would i rate we had a conversation about is out sharpton liberal version of trump and i said that's really unfair because al sharpton would actually try to be a good president he would he may not be a good president but he he certainly wouldn't be mentally ill and iraq and crazy all the time he would try he would just be a guy who had a lot of baggage from his older career of you know having a fairly sleazy reputation but there's no comparison i when i think of he's he'd be more like a cult leader he wear nice watches and look good but he wouldn't be he wouldn't be starting wars maybe gary busey would be as bad saying but how do we even know he's a liberal does the guy even have an ideology liberal i'm saying literally any human being think of who would be on the same level of incompetent if busey's as crazy as he looks than.
"bannon david" Discussed on Sports 600 ESPN
"Of a suit the like that these are vast differences right like just throwing soup sounds ridiculous entities but if it's it's like a styrofoam cop of a of a lukewarm soup that's not that big of a deal but if it's like a giant clay pots that is full of like hot really hot piping hot soup like a clam shouder with a lot of stuff in it like that's borderline assault if you're throwing a like a huge klay pot with a hot steve exhibit so i i mean i agree the type of soup is important to an poured components of this entire thing and i i mean this is it's a joke in many ways it's it's outrageous so it's it's it's it's just a huge part of the reality television show that has been the cleveland cavaliers this year but it's crazy to think that he still on the team after this and then only that's the biggest stroke of it all is that he only got suspended for one game i mean your your door you you reportedly going some soup at an assistant coach and assistant coach and you get suspended for only one game and the next thing you know you out there you know look like they are smith wold macozoma clutch threepointers against the denver nuggets the next day had the cleveland cavaliers one night game against the nuggets and jr smith was wanted a hero could a game people forget about the soup what the bigger picture is how can tyron tie lou put up with that and say argue not just take one game off i'm going to push back out there i think that ad i'd say the dysfunction all the cleveland cavaliers to see them yeah no question and i mean at the answer to that is is is the obvious answer right it's that it's the broad james running the show and cleveland and look i i don't i hate to be the guy that says that because diminishes with lou and kobe all bannon david griffin and you know some some pretty good basketball fans have done the forum but like jerry smith as the bronze guy and that's i mean through all the antics eat look he's he's he's been very productive player for them in an important piece.
"bannon david" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"Or will the just sitting there some it was sitting there waiting for women and i all of a sudden damon was damon and he like you know what i'm not that hungary after arms the widow i mean like what what the container that the soup was in and what kind of a suit that like that these are vast differences right like just throwing soup sounds ridiculous entities but if it's it's like a styrofoam cop of a of a lukewarm soup that not that big of a deal but if it's like a giant clay pots that is full of like hot really hot piping hot soup like a clam shouder with a lot of stuff in it like that's borderline assault if you're throwing a a huge klay pot with a hot steve exhibit so i i mean i agree the type of soup is important it's an employer components of this entire thing and i i mean this is it's a joke in many ways it's it's outrageous felt it's it's it's it's just a huge part of the reality television show that have been the cleveland cavaliers this year but it's crazy to think that he still on the team after this and the annual that's the biggest joke of it all is that he only got suspended for one game i mean you're you're thorn you you reportedly going some soup and assistant coach and assistant coach and you can suspended for only one game and the next thing you know you out there you know look like they are smith rolled may consumer cuts 3pointers against the denver nuggets the next day had the cleveland cavaliers one game against the nuggets and jr smith was wanted a hero the game people forget about the soup but the bigger picture is how can tyron tie lou put up with that and say argue not just take one game off and we're going to switch back out there i think that ad suited this function called the cleveland cavaliers this lethem yeah no question and i mean if the answer to that is is is the obvious answer right it's that it's the broad james it's running the show and cleveland and look i i don't i hate to be the guy that says that because diminishes what liu and kobi all bannon david griffin and you.
"bannon david" Discussed on Erin Burnett OutFront
"Breaking news donald trump never thought he become president trump the book by michael wolff revealing that neither trump himself his family ores top campaign aides ever thought he'd win wolf writing that on election night don jr told a friend that his father quote looked as if he'd seen a ghost one results started to suggest he could win and wolf fads quote there was in the space of little more than an hour than steve bannon's not unamused observation a befuddled trump morphing into a disbelieving trump and then into a horrified trump but still to come was the final transformation suddenly donald trump became a man believed that he deserved to be an was wholly capable of being the president of the united states my guess or back with me also joining us the former ethics lawyer for president george w bush richard painter david gergen you know this obviously is counter to what the president says but consistent with what any of us who are texting and talking to anybody who is with trump that night knows they had no clue who's gonna win and and where shocked as anybody else on the night of the election though i thought these words were interesting according to steve bannon david gergen he was befuddled disbelieving horrified and then completely sure he was the guy once again it is important that we haven't heard from steve bannon uh uh contradicted any of these the quotes that have been attributed to him so we have to assume that they did this is what he said uh given that i i think it's very consistent with what we saw with melania trump on the day of the inauguration she did not look like a.
"bannon david" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"Independent in talks and punk rock in life it's the jazz vincent shell if you've been reading the press over the weekend you might have been misled into believing the book free speech week is in a visit botha i'm here to set the record straight uc berkeley has been racking its brains four months trying to work out how to cancel free speech week they do not want us on campus the administration's it uc berkeley have trying to ever seen to derail free speech week up to and including accusing the students of being inapped their knows milo yannopoulos set to try to get back and speak at berkeley's free speech week was as we all know is rarely free anymore we found that out last week the cost of free speech went ben shapiro showed up at they're going to have a big week joining us now is somebody is all about free speech marked absent editor in chief over there truth revolt mark you really think it's going to happen or we just pretending that it's going to happen and then it's going to go south you mean the event itself yeah yeah i i think it's going to go forward i'm not shoot anything you're really that that they can do to stop it yeah i took fourday event at nuclear berkeley campus dark on sunday i believe the 24 2017 is going to feature such well we'll take a walk at a conservative libertarian speaker like milo yannopoulos who we just heard a moment ago and colder steve bannon david horwitz amyloid killer and a lot of other people and of course you can berkeley issue will remember he would fight a pretty 'extraordinary violent earlier this year when when milo was scheduled to speak back in february i believe but it had to be cancelled because while the selfproclaimed anti fascists of ed kifah or equal out of habit actor ankara people and damaged property both on and off campus the white house disturbing at a heckler he deal my oh shut down so but end but it was also the site of this week appearance by ben shapiro and.