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ZB Group Cryptocurrency Exchange | Aurora Wong | Interview (2020)

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

15:44 min | 1 year ago

ZB Group Cryptocurrency Exchange | Aurora Wong | Interview (2020)

"This episode of the Cryptovest podcast is proudly brought to you by Murray. Pay The universal plumbing system. So why don't you head over to moby pay dot. Io Now and check them out that's M. O.. B. I. A. Y. Dot today's guest Aurora. Wong who is the VP of Zany. The critical of which exchange they beat or call. Thank you very much. Thank you for the thinking lives. Hello and look what an exchange water massive platform joins us a little bit about the group itself and Wall Pot the exchange employees not definitely. Yeah actually the group was fawning. Two thousand twelve to one of the earliest and has grown into the industry's he's one of industry is large players. You know throughout those close to seven years already and the group's Flagship Digital Utah Ethics change is actually VP DOT com. which was started to operate things June? Thirty two thousand thirteen so we just celebrated our six year interstate. Thank you what's going into this place birthday right right. Right because in crypto space. It's kind of a long time already six decades before. Yeah so oh US route. Six four years we've been operating very safely and the grows steadily and we have over six million in registered users right now and of the daily average trading volume exceeding one billion. US dollars now. That's actually not not bad. We'll be junior quite good and over the years of we were actually Asia's first exchange to list those large cap Like famous tokens such at ether and Neil and quantum so at the peak time actually the The ETA global trading volume over fifty percent of the global trading volume. What happening on our exchange back that time that may was h btc he sees dot com? Yeah so we changed it in two thousand seventeen because you know two digits two main I really build a business. I hear what you're talking as many to be on the platform now. How many tokens can we tried net? Yeah it's actually a very good question Chian. That's one of the factors that differentiate ourselves from our competitors also Although we operated for six four years we only only Mr to a little bit over eighty projects. So it's actually eighty-seven I think the today's data we are relatively You know more conservative than our competitors because we balance a strict our strict and listing rules with a certain degree of risk off taller a risk tolerance so that we can do makes the room to list. Those most create like innovative tokens. I I but we don't miss that manny though we are really curated in selected A. What is this election process? How do you choose what project it's listed doesn't all we? Actually we have. Two major listing channels. No one is through our up program which is essentially upgraded upgraded launch pad version which is actually a similar. I Yo- models you're so we select the strongest and a proven projects and support them not only by listing them but also you know to promote them through like marketing efforts by offering users with like discounted tolten back by opportunity and the other channel is through the voting mechanism so basically we rely on on communities choice. You know we listed the the project. They voted for so strong community a strong community. It gives you access to what you think they would walk to my because I've asked for. Yeah exactly so. That's what we think you know I. It's kind of both. The channels channels could create US project selection process by the platform and the community so that we can create a thaddeus factory outcome with three-party multi. We were most clients. I'm a huge external ourselves creeping up on on the event that up and they're on the volume sort of things. Where all you? Since we started from Asia I mean started from from China Exactly and we've been stepping in to Expand our global presence since two thousand eighteen gene. So we have a pretty good global presence now but STU are flex shove DEBBIE DOT COM. We still have a large portion of Asian users especially really like Chinese users but the proportion is changing while you know we keep expanding globally so to Ferenci you. Obviously there are some differentiating points. We already spoke to. Of course the community I suppose guidance as to what missed obviously been around for a long time. So that's differentiating factors actors. Well what else do as an exchange that else to differentiate from other exchanges that are out there at the moment. That's a terrific question As well so I mean besides you know the security safety and you know highly curated factors. Of course we are. We are continuing to Butte at improve our products. So just this week we have our newly released like. AP's coming now. It's a really like brand new. Four release with a lot of unique features in it such as social and community community enhancement which includes the ability to gift to other users of the platform. The crypto currencies with with what we call in China like red envelopes ago so basically those are the digital envelopes where you can few few them with your favorite crypto. Oh currencies so you can give the crypto currencies. Do somebody into the spies. Look I'll send you a bit of this. Become interested in I come in. Yeah we'll bring Laughlin. It was absolutely perfect. Thank you and I think this will bring like more fun to our users I uses in. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah is an awfully awfully what do you have any margin trading going on at the moment yes we try to leverage what products offer marginal. Yeah we do like Margin trading options and we. You have a kind of you can choose a degree of the leverage. I think the maximum is like twenty twenty eight times. Yes listen the margin trading now on so your theory bitcoin. So the farm major cryptocurrencies breath. Oh wow fantastic. As far as it goes when it comes to your news base six billions of law okay. It's also the biggest but it's very very loud. There's a lot of users. All would be lost the question rather than the site but other periods of long period of time when they're inactive might have a small group Norwest which trade. The trade is an large group of despite and so a sit back and do nothing on we. The portion of active users is pretty the high actually because periodically relaunch different high quality projects so six foot thumper when we listed eastern we. We really made up like almost like large percent lacked portion of our users of get wealthy. Actually because they're Sarim price went from like you know in terms of rooming be. That went from seventy two thousand during the period George it so we kind of help a lot of users to get rich and periodically. We still have certain these type of projects coming out so they keep active active but of course depending on the general trend of market as well for example the end of two thousand eighteen when the market was cooling down. Of course you know the the act of juicers are relatively you know like the portion smaller the lack of education in the ability to actually go short as on a trade. We did very very well threat that quite simply because one reason we can go short. So there's a huge gap between uses of the cartilage in the spice. Now that hold right and how to try to be really big area of exchanges might be missing out on. What sort of education do you have in place? Chart help to understand by be trading strategies. Anything Complex Oh yes we do have like doc Like training videos like newbies. Either in the in the area and also one of our subsidary exchanges is caught. BWI DOT COM B W DOT IO. That domain fit ward. So Ward's I mining coal-based exchange and just yesterday they launched another like margin in trading functions and a derivatives functions as well so we were also make the other like trading courses and You know for for the for the users as well and also we have a industry think tank. The group is called Z nexus. So we're not only kind. AWW promote the blockchain technology education to you know like normal people but also we provide like you know kind of one on one on the crypto currencies blockchain and trading like short videos to our users as well so it's kind of extra extra benefits to all of us. What languages do you cover on? These videos must be pretty diverse. Right right but right now we we are. Yeah we're doing that in Chinese only definitely I think With our global expansion we need to diversify the languages as well. We'll I'm sure we'll ultimate that. Possibly down the track. What's the guy with the Exchange Yourself with Ziegler Zieger phase and I wanted to say Zan Xavi Great? What's the what's the goal for exchange? Always say you want to innovate. You WanNa Bring Angle people into the spicy. WanNa make it easy for them. You want to educate them. What's the bigger picture where disease over five years from now with the business I think for the past asked six years we grew from kind of all? Original grew crypto company into a more mainstream in in professional one and we do see the next two years is kind of the story of Cryptos Fu integration into the Digital Economy Global Digital Economy. So what we WANNA play is not only to help contribute to like increase the mass adoption Shen of blockchain technology as well as crypto currency like digital currency into the whole digital economy picture but also position ourselves still one of the mainstream and leading players in this space not only from private sector perspective but also help the okay. What sample China's national strategies to promote blockchain's application in traditional industries? That's been a big step in that direction. Looked at that with a lot of a lot of the things he hasn't really because it's kind of started the global rise Chana says they're gonNA news on the rest of the world. We've been a catch up because you have been growing as a nation very quickly so that was really good stem and assumes that news came out. Bitcoin breasted export it had did have a very cute. It's like huge effect on a mess. Yeah on the on the market. Although you know blockchain technology it's different from bit guy but still can see the market sent Mantis just very sort of China's yes luck in China when it comes to assets and try it for a period of his quasi-bank right. So how was your writing. I mean the Chinese clients already Out of China or are you in Hong Kong or basis after the exchange. Yeah it's actually. The entity is registered in Switzerland. And we do have our headquartered in Hong Kong. But we do have like global operations centers as well so. I'm definitely you know kind of when the Chinese government Bannon Bannon is kind of the ICAO model because a lot of you know kind of retail especially retail investors. Got Hurt from yes in some air projects but we don't you know we don't definitely we don't touch that like we. Don't we have our own principles. And we try our best to select high-quality projects to offer to our users so yeah and we really hope to keep doing so. How does anything that we've missed that? He would like to tell us about any little things. That are coming out for the project. I think because We had a really successful up program cut off the upgraded launch pack Throughout the past three months and our first project was an Australian leading restaurant on payment project on Levin. Hey and they're talking. LVN and had a great success. Oh platform we're keeping in kind of projects with solid the business model that such as this kind of projects for them pay and we will be launching our force up project really soon and it's it's already actually yet defined the project the candidate but I do look forward to sharing more about this before very move yourself and the project I think you could go to dot com plus the website That's the domain. You can access our flagship platform but you can also Google Aurora Wong. It's a U. R. O. R.. And then and my last name is W. O. N. G. and you could probably find more press release about myself and also about our growth yet slipped pleasure. Thank you so much ladies won't be paid all the Z.. Think much crash off now.

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Reds Thom Brennaman Utters Slur On Hot Mic?! Trump Talks QAnon?! Steve Bannon Arrested For Fraud?!

The Pascal Show Podcast

1:58:36 hr | 8 months ago

Reds Thom Brennaman Utters Slur On Hot Mic?! Trump Talks QAnon?! Steve Bannon Arrested For Fraud?!

"Do. You. Think. The buildings were written now back. Feeling people failed hackers. From. Body. To the best gas. Oh yes. It is Thursday y'all wonderful wonderful Thursday I. Hope you guys are having a thriving one today. It is a beautiful one out there today in in my neck in our neck of the woods. So if you guys are having the sun shining blasting in through the windows. Maybe have the windows open. Because a nice cool August morning. You know what? I'm saying let the let the curtains billow in the in the in the breeze. You know what I'm saying in August breeze. Hopefully, you guys are having a wonderful one and if you are having a good morning, please most definitely come down below and hit that like button down below because we got a lot to talk about today yaw there's some crazy stuff that's been going down and continues to be going down today. And we're going to be jumping into it. But before we go into all that stuff because we got some breaking news, literally just broke like ten minutes ago. So bear with us it's going to be very very raw US getting through it because it's the first time of US hearing about it. So like we said it's breaking news, but we're going to jump. We're GONNA dive on. into it here, very very shortly. But before we get into that conversation, we gotta jump into this and talk to my boy Jackie Book is in the House. Well, something here I am right here. You Go roll-call. Present. Yes. Depressant you know what I'm saying Yes Good Morning. Good to see you were you always like the third or fourth kid in the alphabetical order thing where you always like the third or fourth kid you know the second? The second or Third I. was never the first in the class. There's always somebody that had an an last with an A. But you know I was always either second or third. Yeah. I think one year I was fourth like in seventh grade or something like that. Yeah. A little bit different. There's a whole bunch of people last name as but grade school is small. So like as always you know that was one really you know roll call and school is really taken place Oh. Yeah. I mean I was always second third or fourth was always somewhere around there. You know what? I'm saying there's always a atoms or an Alexander you know what I'm saying. A. And then and. They'd be like today we're going to give out ice cream, but we're starting with the last names I. of course, like Z's it's like, Hey, yeah. Isn't that annoying as hell you're like I just want some ice cream may WanNa cookie just me the Damn Cudi melted now. GimMe some. You know what I'm saying throwback little little Adam Sandler before you you know what? I mean I'll give me some. but anyway, hope you guys are having one dope one a fantastical. Amazing one today. There's quite a bit of things that we gotta talk about today everything from. The homophobe slurred that was said live on Mike during a baseball game, we got trump talking about you on. And giving giving q a Non some love. Yeah. That's not that's not a lie. We're going to show you guys a video of that too, and then also there's this is breaking news when we gotta jump right into a bra because this is like. This is hot. This hot off the presses y'all. You. Know what? I mean extra extra read all about it. This is hard core news right now. Steve Bannon has been arrested for Fraud Jack Come on with the story. Give me some new yeah I mean these are things that are just dropping in here in the last five, ten minutes that are really coming through. But former trump advisor Steve Bannon has been arrested on charges of defrauding donors and a fundraising scheme. Himself and Let's see I. Think there is a three of his associates were indicted by investigators the US. Southern. District of new. York, this morning. which they allege the Group of Conservative leaders defrauded donors that led to raising more than twenty five million to build a wall along the southern border of the United States. WHOA. The. US Postal Inspection Service, assisted in the investigation. The other mentioned that are in the indictment so far have been Timothy Shea. Who is the acting administrator Drug Enforcement Administration's and May Brian Culpa foggy. Gulf Age. In, Iraq war veteran and Andrew Del. TACO. I'm not sure who that person is. The campaign was intended to raise money to help build the wall. But instead the prosecutors allege that baton has team just profit off the arrangement. And collected received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donor funds from we build the wall, which they each us in a manner inconsistent with the organizations public representations Bro. Yeah That's. Pretty intense. You know they're saying that defendants defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors capitalizing on their interest in funding a border wall to raise millions of dollars under the false pretense at all the money will be spent on construction. While, repeatedly assured donors that Brian Fill. The founder and public face of we build the wall would be paid to set. The defense secretly shamed scheme to pass hundreds of thousands of dollars to him, but to use the fund his lavish lifestyle, we think the US. PAAS for their partnership and investigating this case, remain dedicated to rooting out in prosecuting fraud wherever we find it. Interesting. Now I. Want to remind you guys that this was. Trump's former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. This is the same Steve Bannon that work closely with Donald Trump. Now, the other thing that is very interesting I just want to point out. Raise, more than twenty, five, million dollars to build a wall along the along the southern border of the US of the United States these United States of America. And They went ahead and use that money or they're being he is being accused. This is alleged obviously. Of using this money for his. At, his own leisure with you know for his own things, twenty, five, million dollars actually it's him and three other of three of his associates three of his associates were indicted. By investigators. So, four guys went out there for people because we don't know if the you know who else is in there. Actually we got Tim. said the other guys I'm sorry these the so this four guys, four guys real talk altogether band together just split up twenty, five million dollars or to take it all I. Know I know I'm saying they took. That's why I was trying to reiterate what I was saying are at it's what I just said. Not all twenty, five, million, million but I'm sure they took. You know they they you know they've done a good percentage of that twenty five Mil. And split it amongst themselves for sure for all their hard work isn't as some wild stuff that is Donald. You know what I'm saying so far they're saying coal phase cover took for his personal use more than three hundred and fifty thousand dollars in funds. They did so by a through a nonprofit organization that was under his control called nonprofit one, which received over a million dollars from we would rebuild or we build the wall and at least some of which used to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses. To, conceal the payments, they devise a scheme, the route, those payments through we will from we build a wall to nonprofit one and a shell company under underplays control. Among other avenues and they use bacon places, Sham vendor arrangements, and other ways to ensure. That he was known in a text message about Delta that his pay ranging remain confidential and kept on a need to know basis. So they know what they're doing and they're trying to cover it up. But but these are only accusations only accusations their third only guilty if they're not pardoned. To did. I see what you did there. Here. More, and more we're starting to see random. We're starting to see things starting to pop up, you know what I'm saying. As, much as There are people out there they say, Hey. Let me just say this. Bannon. Obviously, we already know how a lot of people have feelings about Bannon even people who are trump supporters. They have feelings about Steve Bannon. So let's not let's not fake the funk here. We already know that that dude crooked to begin with. But I can't help but say y'all like. You are. The people that you keep. So if you got somebody if you've been working with Steve, Bannon or you've been working with a guy like Steve Bannon for a long period of time. You're not telling me that his bad habits wouldn't maybe rub off on just a tiny bit just a little like a little bit like a little bit. I don't know. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of criminal activity that that is going on. You know there's a lot of white collar crime that's going on here that I feel like. I mean, it just makes me think what is going on. Really going on with trump as well. But here it is not trying to bash anybody not trying to bash the president right now. I'm just posing questions. You know what I mean so. That is a good question ten Vancouver, just ask why did trump fire bannon? I don't remember why he fired Bannon. That's a very good question. I don't remember either I feel like these past four years with the amount of people that have been in and out of the White House and been in and out of the team. For Donald. Trump. I mean. You're like remember that guy you know what? I'm saying a lot of times like remember that guy remember this other guy. Because they come in and out so quickly. So you know. Like I said not throwing shade on anybody I'm saying, Hey, there's so many there are too many random things and very shady shading shady things going on. For you not to sit here in, turn your your focus over to the man who's running our country. That's all I'm going to say. You know. It's getting harder and harder and harder. To. Not Look that way in question a few things you know, and then of course, we already know that a lot of people sit there and say you know a lot of people who are not trump supporters say that he is that trump is working his butt off so that he can get. reelected. Find himself behind bars. Once he walks out of the White House to extend his time as much as he can free because the people say that he's been a crook for a while. So you know I just put the question out to you guys. What are your thoughts calmed down below in regards to this whole thing with Steve Bannon? Do think that there's any connection. With trump and Steve Bennett in regards to this whole thing. You know obviously, there's ways that you can make it seem like. This ways he can do it without making it seem like he's connected. You know what I'm saying and maybe Steve Bannon just did it on his own. You know what I'm saying or maybe that's one of the reasons why trump let him go because Steve Bannon was being a dirty dirty crook Maybe. That's what it is to. You know what I'm saying so I'm just throwing out those those options. You know what I'm saying not trying to throw anybody under the bus. These are the questions I pose in throw up to you guys come down below. Let me know your thoughts are on this for sure Jack what were you gonNa say I. Mean who was involved with trump's campaign for a little while? and then he like there's some candid statements that in a book afterwards and then you know after he was fired trump really tried to distance himself. From. Bannon Stephen has nothing to do with me and my presidency when he was fired, he not only lost his job. He lost his mine. Steve was a staffer who were already won the nomination. He has as everybody else that leaves trump's administration early knows him. He doesn't talk to him. It didn't do anything forum. it's like. I. Don't know what to wear. The line actually is with the two of them is Bannon has out and saying that they they still talk trump says, he doesn't he doesn't talk to him. So, it's like, okay who who's lion right right but one of them but here it is though tiered is they'll let me let me just pose this other option to what if trump found out about him. All those fraudulent. Actions that he did. And with the other three guys maybe maybe trump found out and said, you know what I'm not throwing you. I'm not throwing you under the bus, but we got to part ways. I ain't cool with this by you see what I'm saying maybe he did that too I'm just saying I'm posing that as as a possibility of him going well, I saw all these things. I heard about these things so before. People start to dive in and start making it seem like I'm connected to this crooked work. were parting ways right now. And I'm denouncing you as a friend. You know I'm denouncing you as a as A. You know. As a what's the word? Not, an employee you know somebody you work with of my presidency. No but I mean, you know like Somebody that's like a confidante somebody work with you know like. A consiglieri whatever you WANNA, call it to somebody you work with but anyway, what I'm trying to say is not Cygan an associate. Thank you and associate like I'm not gonna I'm not going to you know I am not going to sit here and say that I have any ties with you at all because I know the bad I've no I know the dirty you've done and I don't want to be connected with that because if I if you if I am connected with that, then that's some serious trouble. So let me get you out of the. Let me get you out of the team as quickly as possible. And denounce my friendship with you as quickly as possible. Because I don't want this to come back and bite me in the but that that's kind of what I think is going on you know what? I'm saying. What I think it could have happened but that could have happened like I said I'm playing multiple multiple angles here. You know maybe maybe maybe trump knew about this all along maybe trump was involved with it. We don't know all I know is I'm just playing those possibilities out there and I know that there are a lot of people out there. That will sit there and you know like I said there's a lot of people out there that think that believed that trump could do no wrong. So you know, let it rip in the comments down below you know what I'm saying I'm definitely interested to see what you guys think about this for sure. You know. Well, we'll see what happens obviously everything's just going to court or just they're just being arrested and. Indicted and So, we're going to see I mean I imagine that's going to be. Does he have any dirt? On anybody that? People don't want him coming out and talking about other stuff like an or trump. Bannon bannon man. He worked for Breitbart that far right. Like magazine right and like he like I think that's when trump and and haven't really started hitting it off right because they started pushing for him on that site. And then even though it was a really all right and typically we'll have like a a white nationalist type view. That are like some of the titles and things that are on their. Little far leaning. The. After. He started pushing for pushing trumpeting you know A. Any anybody that's in the like the news media that could head other contacts and stuff like that, and that's a big part of his thing was coming in and then being able to help you know kind of manipulate the media and how the word can put out. You know I don't know if trump was involved i. you know at this point I doubt it. Sounds like You know how many of these other build the law campaigns went up and who else was involved in those ones? It's worth looking into. especially since most of those build a wall campaigns of led to nothing and they're like be particularly when I remember like last year, we were looking at this and there's always supposed to be like, Oh yeah. Next week we're GONNA have the first thing of all up. And then like that, we could pass go no. No, it's delayed. It's GonNa be it's GonNa be this week and everyone's like okay. We give you all this money Where's where's the wall it's been raining. Bureaucratic tempus stuff. You know we gotta get the the red tape taken care of. And then nothing really happening I. Forgot about these things I think that that's really Partially what some of these nonprofits to these nonprofits overnight named nonprofits go and do set up these fundraisers and they hope that people. Donate and then don't follow up. and. That's. Because if you don't follow up and five years passes like, yeah I gave that I wonder if they were built though it's like Oh. Yeah. You didn't you didn't anything so. You know. I. Well, we we ended up using somewhere else I figured you already knew because. You didn't even talk about it. You haven't come up and brought it up anymore and all that. So yeah, it's a it's a very interesting. It's like I said it's a very interesting conversation. It's a very interesting situation that happened in. I'm interested to see what happens in the near future. With this whole Steve Bannon thing if he's going to be taking other people down in regards to maybe a plea deal I don't even know how many years he might be looking at in regards to these charges. So we'll see. We'll see what happens here. You know the you know as things start to unfold because it seems like more and more things are starting to unfold as we as we quickly progress towards the election. So I'm interested to see what comes of it from this point on you know what? I'm saying but. Moving on we got to jump into this next thing know. It's our top story is one of our top stories. And this is something I found very, very interesting. This is kind of up Jack's alley because this part of his part of his own lineage in his blood, it's all about baseball and announcing it's all about announcing the wonderful game of baseball. All right. So that's Connection stops with with this article, right right. So So, Cincinnati reds announcer Thom Brennaman. APOLOGIZES ON AIR FOR A and abruptly exits game after using a homophobic slur now here's the thing. He has been with the. He has been with the Cincinnati reds announcing the Cincinnati reds for a good while now this guy is a veteran in the game. He has been doing announcing games for baseball games for a very, very long time and out of nowhere unbeknownst to him. They are live. And he says something live on. During one of the broadcasts we have the clip right here you want to hear it. I'm GonNa tell you right now. It is a homophobic slur. It is offensive. It is wrong. I'm actually debating if I should play the clip or not the actual clip of him saying the word. It's not beeped. Not beeped. I'm actually having a I'm actually debating if I should play that clip or not just out of respect to anybody who is out there that might be that might be. Sensitive to those words. But. Then again. We've had videos of people dropping the N. Word you name it. So Hey, this we're playing even Keel. Forget it. We're doing it. So. All, right. So May delete later don't know. Feeling feeling cute delete later. All right. Here we go. Albany. Off. The pre-game show presented. So you heard that. The S. Capital. Of the. World. Yeah. So, whatever he was referring to. As he was talking the Mike Gut turn back on. while. They were coming out of a commercial break I'm assuming. In caught. That little tiny word. I mean that little tiny word that has huge. De. has a huge progressive sound. Let's say that. Live. On TV for the rest of the world to here. So of course. He felt. Terribly terribly bad about this. and. He, ended up losing this. So we're going to we're going to throw up the apology to because y'all need here this one too. It's very it's. It's very interesting hold on. Pointed up here. And the way we go. I think the still has the effort into. There we go. Again. All right. Tonight. That I guess. went out over the year that I deeply. Ashamed on. If I heard anyone out there. I can't tell you how much I saved from the bottom of my heart. I'm so very, very sorry hold on one second hold on guys. Honestly. That is. That's not the right one. I mean there is the right one but. There's one where he's actually talking is not a fro- frozen Mike there's not a freeze frame of actually talk of his face. Because I, want you guys to see his face when he's apologizing in everything so Here. We go. Sorry about that mistake guys. Appreciate your patience. Here we go. Game. As Holland takes over on the mound. I made a comment earlier tonight that I guess. When out over the year that I am deeply Ashamed of. If I have heard anyone out there. I can't tell you how much I say from the bottom of my heart I'm so very very sorry. I pride myself and think of myself as A. A man of faith. As a drive into deep left field by Kosta Janos, it will be a home run. And so that'll make it a four nothing ballgame. I don't know if I'M GONNA. Be Putting on this headset again. I don't know if it's going to be for the reds. I don't know if it's GONNA be from my bosses at Fox on apologize for the people who signed my paycheck. For the reds for Fox Sports Ohio for the people I work with. For anybody that I've offended here tonight. I can't begin to tell you how deeply sorry I am that is not who I am. And never has been. And I'd like to think maybe I could have some people that The back that. I am very, very sorry and I beg. For. Your. forgiveness. Jim Dale take you the rest of the way home. Well. So there's that guys Well. You know here here. Insincere here. Yeah. I was GonNa say you know there's there's like insincere but then it's like cured is Here. It is man. Because I'd love to hear your thoughts on this guys. So definitely calmed down below and I, definitely want to talk to you jack about this because. You come from a family. That has sports announcing in the blood you know. So I definitely I'm so happy that you're on today so that we can actually have this conversation about this because. It, it really grinding my gears the fact that he even said that kind of lingo in the workplace in the first place. Okay. That's the biggest problem. First and foremost. A Damn about his apology I'm just going to keep it straight funky. You always gotta keep. A professional attitude when you are working time that you are on a microphone anytime that you are out there doing your thing. And you are responsible. For speaking to the public. You were you are responsible for keeping a professional attitude throughout anything that you were doing. That is for the general public behind closed doors I don't give a damn what you say. As. Long, I don't have to hear we good. But when you are live when you're live in a workplace, you were having a conversation with your with your crew with your people all that you don't know who's in the room that might be homosexual. You don't know who who's in the room that might have. A different lifestyle than yours. Where he made the mistake was saying this stuff in the first place and you know for fact, he says this normally anywhere else. But of course when he's on the phone when he's on the Mike, he's like well, this is the blah. Blah Blonde Cincinnati reds. Saying. He's in his announcer. Broadcasts voice purse persona but when he's behind closed doors yeah. You know when the the lights and the phone, the the microphones are often everything. He's saying the F. Word this effort that these saying homophobic slurs and all that debt is his regular vernacular y'all that's how he regularly asked talks less be completely honest whoever turned on his microphone right before he started denouncing just showed his true ask that he showed his ass. showed his ass. So. Jack I WANNA. Know I wanna I wanNA know what you think man like. I want to know what you think for sure I mean. I've been up in the broadcast booth and everything like that, and you know when you're up there, it's just people working. From people in different rooms you have come other maybe other reporter is they're sitting there and take notes got maybe occasionally a couple of guests that might be going around into different broadcast boost to meet the announcers are things like that. Maybe some family members or some kids that are up there right But it's not like. A locker room type setting where you got ruin dislike going off the hook and saying whatever they wanna say in like acting all rowdy like what hammer station he was having. Assuming. He was talking about Cincinnati. and IT'S A. One of. The apology right after it's not because he's sorry that he says he's sorry that he got caught exact man it's the the whole like you're going to hear it it. It's voices that you know he he knows that he's GonNa lose his job. Back, because that's one of the main first things that he say he goes to all the people that signed by check come on man he just lost the bags breath you just brought mired yourself real talk you brock mired yourself. except. You didn't have a full nervous breakdown like Brock Meyer did by the way the Evan check check out that show you all need to go check it out. It's a great show but bread, he showed his ass, he brought mired himself. Brock mired. Come. On now, you don't do that. That's the thing I'm sorry I'm sorry I. Don't have patience for anybody who sits there and says something like that live now I understand if you accidentally there's slippage of a word that you didn't mean to say but it came out that way type of thing you know what I'm saying like. You know there was a situation where a guy on Fox on Fox to here in our town said Martin Luther. Something Racial Slur Junior Day, and it was I feel was a slippage and he said it live on camera. It was a mistake I don't think he'd truly thought or felt that he was going to say something like that live and I don't think what he said was. Like he was saying it to be you know I don't think he was trying to say anything you know what I'm saying I. Think it was just an honest mistake. People make honest mistakes all day long but. This one he clearly was referring to a city as an F. word. Whatever, whether that is Cincinnati Saint Louis Whoever la whatever he is referring to. Whatever he's referring to. He meant to say those words. The Mike just happened to be on y'all. Most definitely. You know what I'm saying. A I never say those things at home when a Mike is live. I only say to my personal friends and family. And I really apologize that I wasn't paying attention to the engineer Br. To Stop my conversation ahead of time. Talking about? Cigarettes. Cigarettes talking about cigarettes up the British version. Yeah. You know talking about cigarettes you know what I mean those those those those wonderful things cancer sticks gotTa Love You know what I'm saying like the coffin nails you know what I'm saying. I like I'm calling out to the whole thing about where you're saying that you know immediately goes I'm Amana faith? Boom. That doesn't back up here. Doesn't uses a whole bunch of people that are faith that are completely against the LBJ Q.? In, every way shape and form, and then I think he was calling out to that base saying I need support someone come in and tell them not to cancel me and they also believe that you can literally go to conversion. Cap. camp. And in turn yourself straight pray yourself straight I mean come on. I'm not sitting here saying that all got fearing people think that but there's a there's a good amount of people out there that still believe in those things you know. So just because you're saying a man of faith that don't mean anything God forbid if he said the N. word. God forbid he said if he says the F. Word I guarantee you. He says the the N. Word I'm sorry if you're if it's that easy for that word, the slip out like that you see other racial slurs I'm sorry you most definitely do you know now? Here's the thing. There's other people out here that sit there and go. You know like slap suspend them for a little while make him go to some sort of like sensitivity course or class or something like that, and then just bring him back on. I don't know if I don't know we especially in this climate that we live in. Do. Think he deserves a second chance. I'm talking about where You've been taking my things now but here it is. That's the question I asked you. Guys calmed down below. Let me know what you think because you think he deserves a second chance. Or is it a hail to the? No, he does not deserve one at all. That's what I'd like to know because. A lot of people think, hey, just let them. You know I it was a mistake. It was he thought he was off line. He thought he wasn't live. And he was talking amongst his peers. But then it's like. Could there be a toxic environment over there. For you to sit there and think that you have the right to say that because you've been announcing for the Cincinnati reds. For for that long, that means you that comfortable to say what ever you want like that, right? Like amongst the people that you work with. I? Don't know I don't think that is a very. Good look, long story short. And, it says something about the work environment that he is in. Either people are sitting there and just tolerate and his ass because he is Thom Brennaman or. They're also instigating it as well. Think about it. Think about it. Most definitely calmed down down below. I would love to know what you think on that. But I'm happy that you were on Jack to talk about that because. I've done some. Announcing myself not like in that regard, but I've done emceeing for you know at sporting events and everything to and the things that you are saying the things that you are doing. And the amount of people that are watching you and that are around you. At all times. You have to you really have to be on your PS and QS. You really got to be about that life you got to be on point. You make one small mistake they run you they they. They will drag you. You know. So for him to do something like that and I understand everyone is social distancing this during the time that there's nobody in the stands. He. Probably, the crew that he's working with these is extremely minimal. But at the same time, you don't say that stuff. That's him getting very, very lazy and thinking that he's at home. Real Talk They've suspended him indefinitely of course. that. So I guess there's a process there. Of course, there's a process. and. What would they say here? The language at Thom Brennaman us this evening is hateful offensive and in no way reflects the values of Fox Sports Ohio agree with the reds decision to suspend him until further notice. You know one of the old adage is for broadcasters is you know don't say anything. Off Air They WanNa say on air because you never know when the mic is hot, right? You Go. I mean, that's that's basically what you need to do. You know what I mean by. Just. In general be a good person right if you're a man of faith, be a person for others And kind and. Don't say anything. That you don't set about you or lacks what's what's the golden rule? Do unto others as if yeah like doing done onto your so. For Mister can't for Mr. for Mr Religious Man you know what I'm saying. Do what would Jesus do? He definitely wouldn't be dropping the F bomb we'll talk he wouldn't let us keep straight funky. He would not. You know and that's just That's on U-B-E-R and Y-. It sucks because the first thing he says is I'm truly truly sorry. I WANNA. Say A big apology to. All the people over at Fox sports especially, the ones the am basically especially the ones who signed my checks He doesn't get started that way to. The people at the organization and the apologised I not the people that he offended. Or just his use of the word in general like. Yeah. And here it is. And don't get me wrong. I understand that guys. You know we'll talk you know grabbed him by the. Guys will have their locker room talk and everything I get that. We we all have our certain vernacular when we're talking with our boys was a little bit more laid back a little bit more. Chill but he he's in a work environment. That's not what you say. You know what I'm saying you don't know who's in the room you don't know. WHO has a child? or a loved one that might be homosexual. Or part of the. L. G. P. Hell GPD my God. LGBT Q. Community. You never know you know what I'm saying you never know. You might defense somebody just because maybe there's somebody has a best friend who happens to be homosexual just never know. You. Know you gotta be. You GotTa be more careful about what you say now days man we live in this crazy cancel culture world is thick. And especially right now when people have nothing better to do but beyond their phones in control other people. So we got to be more. Efficient. As announcers or as personalities, media, personalities and everything this is not the time to accidentally tweet. The N.. Word. When you're talking about the nuggets. You heard about that one jack. Oh. My God. Oh my God I need to look this up because. I forgot this dudes name. This is going to drive me nuts. Hornets suspend radio announcer who tweeted inward instead of nuggets who does that WHO does that? Come last couple of days to. A few days ago because here's the thing when I saw this thing about Thom Brennaman I thought that this was the same dude I thought this was the same story I was like may would ever this was last night that I woke up this morning. Saw It again in the Mike Oh this is a totally different dude. No Cutie. Who tweets breath? Do you have the story? Can you pull that up yet? Let's talk about that real quick might as well. We're in the land of sports. We gotta talk about this one because this one was. Sports no ignorant. Sports. This is showing how stupid sports people people who love sports are in this. God who are they hiring? Who are they hiring? Who puts the N. Word is said of nuggets. Clearly, he has put the word is type the word vow. In his phone. As a tweet, not a tweet or as a text message to somebody. You know what I'm saying or he was like, Oh, I, don't understand what the word n word means. Let me let me look that up. On Google. Not. Highly doubt that. So what's the story? So, this is crazy man is and Charlotte North Carolina, the Hornets Radio Announcer. John Faulk. What's his name? C. K. E.. Probably said that, Riyadh? was his name. John Bach. System. Maybe. It's folk. F. A.. was. I have no idea man. I don't F O C, K E and. Foki. It can be Sochi area. But yeah, he was. Watching the Hornets or the Utah. DENVER. Playoff game and He was in his kitchen table. And he was on twitter. And he was doing some obscure may play by play in but. Fair his phone he made to rapid succession airs is a two key strokes. That's all it took. That would have been a forgettable tweet into one. He calls a horrible mistake. Those two key strokes got a foxy suspended indefinitely by the Hornets on Tuesday and put his job jeopardy He said he meant to right shot making in this jazz nuggets. Game is awesome Marine Mitchell going back and forth what a game. But instead of nuggets. Is the plural form of the N. word. Oh, he said with a hard are bre. Oh my God. He goes your own screen to you is next to the I the tea. Is next to the are the other five letters those two words of the same. Oh. My God. No but it wasn't on wreck. It's a unilaterally typed it in wrong. It's Your. Five minute delayed but here it is. It's a you. You know what? I mean it's not an eye. And then as an e R. S. Like how how on God's earth? How how, how does doubt type the N. Word instead of typing inaugurates? No. Gear sites. How He says I was trying to get done as fast as I could so that it was relevant and the time I posted it. And say Miss type the Word Nuggets Oh, my did not read read it, which is you know that's number one of working in the media and unfortunately I didn't because I was trying to get it up as fast as possible and I hit sent man you got to be a special kind of stupid. That's a special kind of stupid Oh really quick I wasn't thinking nearer no, you don't no no n word. Game, against the Jazz. And words. Great. It send you don't. What are you doing, breath Gay. Gay. You don't do that mine. Man You don't do that may okay. Little Hustle and flow. You don't do that my. You know what? I'm saying you don't do that. Don't do that man. I'm sorry it's so stupid. It's hilarious. That is a special kind of stupid breath. Does that. WHO DOES THAT I was writing it out jasmine n words really fast. I was just riding out real quick break. You don't do that man. You don't hours to put up an apology on twitter saying earlier today I made a horrific air while attempting to tweet about the Denver Utah Game. I don't know how I miss typed I had and have no attention ever that word I take full responsibility for my actions. I've been sick to my stomach about it ever since I'm truly sorry that this happened. I, apologize to those I offended. ESPN's mark. Jones. Replied back in a tweet. Saying that. He goes funny how my phone never types in the N. Word when I type in nuggets in fact when I get to in you G it autocorrect snuggie. Right. Unless homeboy has type that inward. So many times off to you know what? Exactly? That's the only way because the funny thing is, is Tanto vein just said something and I did the exact same thing I went into my phone typed it in man nuggets I started typing in. Na gets. Just end you G G and it finished with nuggets. So I don't know. I was like is this in could possibly be in my phone already. You know what I'm saying so I did that nuggets didn't go into do you want do you mean the N. word? You know how they have the other suggestions? Not didn't have that you know what I'm saying. Then have that. I don't know. I tell you what even if you put in in I? Like goes Nice Yep and night night and light, there's nine. Nine hundred. It doesn't go that route. Yeah. Doesn't go and word like broad him. I got a racist phone Yo Ma phone be racist man. Somebody. Get this phone away from me meant somebody these canceled this phone we'll talk. Wow. This a special kind of stupid. Right. He's going Oh. My bad. I didn't mean to do said thing Brett you meant you you've been writing in your phone so much you've been running the N. word. In your phone so much. That your phone. Either autocorrect it that way. Or you just weren't even thinking in Rhode out the N. word. Autopilot on your own self that says something about you bre. And for that yeah. You most definitely should be fired for that I. don't care if it's a mistake. That shows you that shows your true self man. You know what I mean. Racist fingers blamed my fingers. My fingers are racist. My mind is completely about equality. But my fingers. My fingers. A RACIST Chop off, chop off my fingers. Student please make like a parody video thing where it's like promoting your your twitter like five minute delay thing. And it's like. have. You been recently caught up and racist tweet tweets and maybe things that you regret. Yeah well now installed Pascale. Blocker. Or the past cows delay you know what I mean. Or. Pascal's wager. Pascale pending posts. Pascal Pascale pending I like that, and then you sit there and you're like, all right are you sure it always pops up does face. I. Sure. I would kill passing park I think every celebrity needs that you know what I'm saying, every celebrity, every every influencers, every public figure basically every public figure needs to have that kind of APP. Installed into the damn phone real talk you know what? I'm saying it's insane how ridiculous people are ridiculous. Anyway we got to go into a quick commercial break. But when we come back, we're going to be talking about. This is weird but you know not every day do I talk about Anybody like Bella Thorne, but we will be talking about Bella Thorne Bella. Thorne. Has An only fans account. Yeah Disney star child. Star, obviously, she is a grown woman. Now has a only fans account. We're GONNA be talking about that very very shortly. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal. Show. Back. Hey what's up guys thank you guys so much for being. On the show checking out the show him being a part of the chat and like I always say if this is your first time checking out this show, please go hit that like button down below underneath the feed right now of course, if you're watching the show for the very first time ever ever ever hit the subscribe button I do this show Monday through Friday at nine am central standard time and do a show at seven PM Central Standard Time. So you get to see me twice in one day if you can tolerate me. So. Be sure to hit that subscribe button and be a part of the conversation our guys. But anyway, we gotta jump into this other story. I found this very interesting as well. Because this is new. And it's been kind of it's kind of been blowing up on on all over the, social media. Has Been Trending really hard on on a you know as far as Google. Twitter. y'All need to know about this. Okay. So former Disney child star. Bella Thorne. Is. Has Now. Joined the platform only fans now if you don't know. If you don't know what only fans is, then you've been living under a rock because it's been a thing, it has been a conversation piece for a while now in regards to there's a lot of. Is a platform that is known for. Putting in for for women or people to. Sell their newts or for membership you can go and see a person in scantily clad close. You know tasteful nudes or just straight up. Pornographic. Images now, this has been a very popular thing as of late because we are all locked up corentin is very real and very tough. We are all here dealing with this stuff in regards to where's our next paycheck coming from. Okay. Everyone's wondering that. Even even the celebrities now are trying to find ways where they can secure the bag. A lot of them now are starting to look towards only fans like somebody like Cardi B. Cardi B. opened up and started her own only fans. But the funny thing is is that she's usually the only fans not as a place to show scantily clad photos of herself, but it's an opportunity for her to connect with their fans. Aka for them to pay a certain membership fee for them for her to actually be able to correspond with them talk to them. You name it you name it be able to do those things. So Bella Thorne is also one of the other celebrities that has decided to open up their own only fans and she said, you know this obviously is the former Disney star is now charging twenty dollars a month for her exclusive exclusive content. because. Back a little bit ago, she was leaking her own nudes she leaks her own news on social media because I guess people were trying to hack her phone hacked her. So that they could get her nudes. You know this is a real thing. People do this for real they did this to. Jennifer Lawrence a few years back I mean they do it to everybody seems like any any? starlet or any female celebrity out there that looks good. They seem to try to find as much scandalous photos. Things as they can to try to sell it on the on the net. So. So the actress said paper told the paper magazine only is the first platform where I can fully control my image without censorship without censorship without judgment and without being bullied online for being me so. She announced the move on a in a video on instagram and. By telling the fans excuse me having announcement and it's her you know posing in bikinis and lingerie and all that and and and with a necklace that says sex on it and Yeah so now she is going to be doing. She's going to be posting. Content. I'm assuming. Nude content. On only fans. For Twenty dollars. A month. You got a little bit more of the extended story right Jack Yeah. Man Just looking in here a couple of different articles. I'm reading here I. Mean I guess. So last year. In September she. Published A. Film called her and him on burnt porn hub. he's man won some avian awards read one. Two Thousand and Nineteen Oldenburg International Film Festival. I was shown there but it was released important hubs premium service but you got the best dramatic screenplay for the Thirty Seventh Avian Awards Twenty Twenty what for that movie wait I'm sorry pause pause pause pause pause pause timeout. Repeat that you're saying that she had a it was an adult film or. Wo- she started it? She's started at she was she originally conceived her and him as a Christmas horror movie before the project morphed into an adult movie. Did, so Let's see here. Wow. Unnamed character who is dating an unnamed girl laid by Abella. Danger. One day. He finds out that she's been looking up how to murder your boyfriend and get away with the two. Then play twist to give a cat and mouse. While she tries to figure out if she is really trying to kill him. So. Yeah. I'm not sure if you know how wow that's that's fascinating. It is but yeah, I mean she and her team has a team behind her and stuff and there's also this Guy Sean Baker I'm not sure if you're familiar with that director not but he did like the Florida project, he's doing another thing called assassination nation Oh okay Yeah he's done a couple of different. Documentaries, but he's going to actually do a documentary on towards experience on only fans. And she says that they have the same vision. Of the movie being a conversation starter for many important topics about female sexuality. And female body shaming so. That's pretty interesting but her team expects her. To make. Over one million dollars per month seriously. Bro. I don't believe that I don't believe that Nah Nah. At twenty bucks a pop. It doesn't it's not that hard to get there. You know here it is like. I don't know how many followers she has on instagram right so that's a very good thing to look up for sure to see how many fans that she has on instagram but. Fifty Thousand People to follow pay twenty bucks and it's a monthly subscription. And you can also send tips. And there are a lot of fans out there. There's a lot of people that are fans of her for sure and she doesn't give a damn about her you know. Obviously he's sitting there going well effort. If you got instead of you guys trying to hack my phone to get my news I might as well just put it on a place where you could just pay for it and you can give me the money's for it. Y fake the funk if you WanNa see me nude pay twenty bucks a month you get to see me nude much as often as you want I don't give a damn. Yep that's basically saying. It's interesting 'cause it's like she's reclaiming it. She's reclaiming ownership of her body ownership of her nudes so I could see. That being a positive thing but at the same time. But at the same time, this kind of says something about Bella Thorne though too you know what I'm saying like. What happened to her when she was a kid real talk I'm sorry but. To happen, yeah I mean Disney you know what I mean is in Dire Zendejas and she seems to be our. She seems to be okay But at the same time, like you just never know you just never know you know what I'm saying and the other thing is is Bella Thorne's career has not gone the way that Zendaya his career has gone. It's not I don't even know if you can really call it a career. She's kind of gone this weird. She's gone down route like you know where she's just been a bad girl you know what I'm saying like. All that and and I'm sure a lot of people thought that she had a promising career. But what was the last time you saw her movie that was actually good I. Don't think. I've ever seen her in a movie. It was good so And then you're going WHO's Bella Thorne? Mike Bella Thorne who Who you know what? I'm saying so I don't know. But. If if this is a way for her to secure the bags. Hey, I mean it it doesn't hurt anybody it's not hurting anybody. You know and it's in a controlled environment. It's you know you got to pay twenty twenty bucks a month to go see her butt naked. If you want her doing whatever she wants on that page, people are going to go and buy it I. Don't know about a million dollars a month but. She has twenty. Or. Twenty three point five million followers on an. Never mind. She needs. She needs fifty thousand of them to give her twenty bucks. That's a done deal. There's plenty of creeps out there plenty of creep resorts that are watching her stuff that would love to year. In there, and then she on her on her actual page or whatever. On the thing it's just like hurt staying on your be and then. It's just a link to her Amazon wishlist. She's she's playing it right. Yeah I yes he's playing it right I mean. But the thing is is that she's literally taking it. She's literally taking it the taking the resort. Down She's taking that avenue down what most like Porn Stars do cam girls do. Like. That's why they they'll sit there and go. Oh, I got a wishlist on Amazon give me things or hey, spend money and you can be a premium member and see me time and I could give you personalized stuff. So I mean this is a thing I mean this is this you know what I'm saying she she's not reinventing the wheel she's just copying the wheel as a celebrity. You see what I'm saying and of course, she obviously is very open and cool and comfortable with her sexuality and putting yourself out there. So I guess you know if you WanNa make that money, you want secure the bags honey, go ahead and do it. You know what I'm saying do it I guess I can't really you know. I. See here throw shade on it all day long but. As her body it's hurt. It's. You know what I'm saying. If that's the life she wants to go down. That's the life she wants to go down, but it also does make me wonder what happened girl, what happened to you. What happened you know what I'm saying just out of curiosity. tyrannous said. Obviously. You haven't watched her porn movie. Sure. That was good. So, no, I have not seen it. I actually I actually interested to see. What she did in the movie like it could have been her in the movie just acting in it but then there's a lot of sex scenes in there, but she's not involved in them. You see what I'm saying. So she could be just in the movie acting but then again, she seems like she's very free. And just down for whatever. You know what I'm saying so. In Pasco. Wards one award of doing research. Doing Research Right now. So Yeah, interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Very very interesting but like I said there are other celebrities like Cardi B., who are jumping in on the have jumped on the. Bandwagon. There's a lot of people that have jumped on. There's a lot of girls especially a lot of girls that have jumped in on it. That have that are you know there's a lot of girls out there. That are very pretty and that are sitting there going, hey, you wanna photo of me in a bikini. Hey, go go spend five dollars. Five dollars a month. You can go check out all my stuff me and a bikini. You know what I'm saying this. There are a lot of girls like that who that are furloughed that have no job right now that are just chilling lot of guys to let's not forget. There's a Lotta guys out there to. Trying to secure the bags willing to put out A. One the put out literally. For a couple of bucks a month, you know what I'm saying so. The world is changing. You know what I'm saying. So if there's a lot of good looking bartenders out here, that aren't making any money right now like Nada Zilch that are sitting there going man I used to secure the bag every day at the hottest nightclub in my city, and now I'm not making any money, but I got a great body. And I got a lot of followers that love me. Let me pose a few photos on only fans and make that money real quick. There's a lot of people that are doing that now. which is crazy. However way you look at it it's a real thing. It's crazy. Mr Super said. Pascal just wanted to see her acting skills range timing camera friendly ll. Yeah. Yeah of course, I. I'm sorry. No fence to Bella Thorne I, just don't. I don't find her attractive I just don't. I really really don't. But there's a lot of people that do find very very attractive to me I don't think Jesus. That's just me. You know what? I mean. Everybody has their. Tastes and she just doesn't fit mine period. Sorry. tyrannous to said, learn something new had google only fans crazy interesting. You've never heard about only fans will now you know if you don't know. Linked to only fans in our description because we can earn five percent commission for this. First twelve months bang. Funny. Is that hey, you know. The show has only fans account so you should follow it. It's just it's just a photos of my pinkie toe the entire time. I mix up I put one of mine and their to. What is that? That's not here. There's no pascal stow. WHO WHO's Pinky toes? Is that a tow or is that a? Check this out, there's multiple toes on his channel multiple tone you know what I mean. It's just photos of my dog's paw. Who? See. What I'm saying psycho? Yes Nice Furry. Furry anyway. Moving on. Moving on, we gotta jump into this other story. Because we are going to jump into the other things. We got a little bit of time, but this is something since we already in the entertainment realm of the news right now we gotTa talk about this movie and Tanto Vein Already Already talked about this in the in the comments. So we and I was like man, that's what we're going to talk about. Next Man Damn Ten advances just jumping the gun jumping the gun jumping the gun. Anyway. Man y'all need to know about this story and I know about this movie. This is some real stuff. This movie is called cuties. It is a movie that is about to be on Netflix is going to stream on Netflix okay netflix. It's called Cutie it is a foreign film. It is a comedy drama. Right now there's a reason why this movie's getting a lot of backlash right now the people are. Shedding a heavy light on this particular. Movie and I'm just GonNa read you guys the Synopsis Real Quick and I'm GonNa. Let you guys judge for yourself where the funniest where the strange is. Okay. So cuties. The Synopsis. Amy An eleven year old girl joins a group of dances named the cuties at school and rapidly grows aware of her femininity. Upsetting her. Mother. And her values in the process now here's the thing. Doesn't seem too bad. But here's the thing. As, you can see. Home, get this up. As you can see well, you kind of have like it's super blown-up but. If you could see. It is a bunch of eleven year old girls. That are clearly. That are clearly. Not supposed to be holed up lean back over again lean back note on the other side of the perfect perfect. Perfect. Perfect. I want you guys to see this like this is the these are some of the images. This is obviously a very, very blown up photo of the the poster, the movie poster, but I want you to see these positions. This is a an eleven year old girl. This is a dance group. Of Eleven year old girls. That are posing and like this now the thing is, is if you saw the trailer because I'm not about the show y'all trailer, this trailer is terrible. I don't know how this trailer is even out there to be seen by be consumed by people I don't even know how this movies out to be consumed by people. Now I understand that there's About a girl eleven year old girl is a coming of age story. You know with her growing up becoming, you know starting to realize that she's turning into a young woman but at the same time, the Muse, the trailer of this movie is. Astronomically. mind-blowing. Of How How many? How, many Philip? How many themes of pedophilia is going on? In this particular movie now. Here this for those. For those that don't know. The movie. That I'm back to reference it's almost as if they took. is almost like they took. Something like a step up. And Bend it like Beckham. And smashed it into one movie. You know about a girl who is she? If I'm from my understanding, she comes from a is she has an Islamic. Traditional family that she she is growing up with you know she's born into. But. Then she's of course in this of course. Really wants to dance. She really wants to express her being a girl and just being. You know going against the traditional values that her parents have been instilling her since she was a baby. Now it's the same thing. As Like. Bend like Beckham. Indian girl. That lives in England has the dreams of being professional soccer player right and. Her parents because their traditional. Are Not do not understand her obsession and her passion for soccer. And then of course, but they do it in a very tasteful way. This movie is like they took step up. They took bend it like Beckham. Those themes smashed it into one movie and cast a whole Bunch of eleven year olds. Eleven year old girls in this movie. It is so wrong this this movie, this movie so wrong that I cannot believe that this is a movie that's about to stream on. Netflix y'all. Just in a few weeks, it'll be there for everyone to consume. Movie that we should be seeing. This is a movie that's going to trigger some people real talk. I'm telling you. If you see the trailer I'm telling you it is messed up. And I get it that there are. That these, these are eleven year old girls that are wanting to express themselves as being like they're trying to find their own independence trying to they want to grow up. So badly instead of learning that they're that they're eleven year old eleven years old and that they that they should at least. Enjoy being eleven years old. But it is hyper sexualize. The stuff that's in this this trailer. On eleven year old girls y'all. It is wrong. Oh, my God it's wrong. Look at the difference of how the French poster is. Versus the Americanized. The thing is, is that you your blood? It's super blown up. So all I see is the the comments like the the ratings? Them like in the back with leg looking like. Let me. Just having more having fun as opposed to being presented like sexualize. Yeah. Let me let me let me see if I can. Let me see if I can. Find. Find It on here real quick. But yeah continue continue doing saying what you're saying real quick I mean it's yeah. But this is just an overall like. Again lie change up like Oh. This isn't going to sell as much sex sells. So let's go ahead and you know and pinpoint all the spots in this movie where it makes them the most sexualize. You know it say. Obviously young men young women all go through a transformation at some point in time. But this isn't aimed at like this isn't a show that looks like it's a like hey, other kids coming to watch this show. This is like a hey adults. Watch this coming of age movie. And it it seems like it's aimed at the wrong audience. Mike I'm telling. It's I'm telling you I'M GONNA. Show you a couple. A couple of photos because I want y'all to see this I, want all y'all to see this and you know in no way shape or form an condoning any of this type of trash. This is bad on multiple levels bad. But I'm trying to show, I'm trying to pull up all of them. Hold on guys. Give me give me one second because I want you guys to see all this stuff? You know the it's it's It's interesting the. The way that certain things are being presented. In diff- seems like in different countries how it's presented, which is fascinating to me I i. saw also the people are you know on twitter gone right and Netflix and everything but it's at a one person sister outrider. Says it is so revealing that the first major netflix original senator young black girls hinges on explicit explicitly sexualizing eleven-year-old children whether it's acting or music sexualize images too often the price of mainstream success for black women and girls graceful. Yeah I mean, here's the thing you. We could sit here all day and talk about the talk about. sexualizing black women. And young girls but it's just young girls in general is literally just young girls in general. I'm sorry I'm not trying to make it seem like, Oh, you know that the pulling out the race car you gotTa pull out the race car. Nah. I ain't trying to say like that I'm just saying these are young women these young girls that should not be depicted this way at all whatsoever so. and. So I want to show you the French. The actual. French Poster, this is terrible. So small. Yeah. That's too small town. Hold on. Guys that so annoying. I see some comments over here saying his R Kelly's remix to. Hug mission part of the soundtrack. Basically R Kelly's wet dream and it's sad. It's really really sad. This is not the stuff that you need to be seeing. The you know we should. Know. This is not. This is not what you're supposed to be seeing but anyway, I'm GonNa show you this other one because The French was not being my friend right now but I can only show you this one. This is the Netflix. This is the actual like net flicks. the the poster that's on Netflix right now. Okay. This is the posted this on Netflix right now breath these women. So you know these women, these little girls are eleven years old. They're eleven. Eleven others more just wait. I got another I got another photo. This is from the trailer. This is actually from the damn truly y'all. I cannot believe that this is in the actual trailers breath. On my God this is just a still from the trailer. I'm only showing it very briefly. Okay. Here it is. homie. You don't do that. No No, no no. Do you understand those are eleven year old girls. Eleven year old girls acting like that, and this is a movie that's going on Netflix. Hail to the Naw that is gross man. That's beyond disgusting y'All. I ain't about that life. I'm completely agree that this is. A messed up thing. But is there the same outrage from all the pageants? On the. Child. Pageants that are out there and they make him wear bikinis and. All the different dress up options and they put their hair and makeup on. And try to make them look eighteen when they're ten. And it's You know. It's the our society has a big issue. Big Issue I mean it is it is a big issue. It is a real big issue. And it? Yes you're right pageants and all that. The same thing I mean but they're not like I mean from my understanding. That you know what I'm saying like at least pad pageants are aren't as. Aren't as bad. I mean, yes. You putting your child on display as a competition. Thing of look my daughter you know my daughter is more talented in more beautiful than the other daughter and you're putting them. You're you're putting them up against each other in those kinds of things and those those type of competitions in contest can really pageants can really mess kit up in a way especially if they keep losing or especially if they keep winning. You know and it just depends on how the parent is raising their child like that. But this is something else now. I Now Brandy just said something that just caught my eye. So I wanted to say read this really quick just watch the trailer I used to be a competitive dancer from eight to seventeen years old and revealing costumes are common. Now here's the thing. Okay. I, understand brandy. You. Of course, I'm not trying to throw any shade on you brainy. Thank you so much for the comment, but I'm GonNa, say this. It's also say that there is like a little mid drift or there is you know they're they're wearing crops and and you know dancing shorts or something like that where there's some skin involved I get that part as far as dancing goes, but you could still cover some things up also in the video in the trailer, you see all these hyper sexual sexual images. Of these girls doing these things that are dancing in a certain way that shouldn't be danced they shouldn't be dancing like at eleven years old. You can say all day about the costumes and the clothing. But it's a movement. It's the dancing is the suggestive behavior that's being seen. In those videos in those dance moves. That photo. I just showed you of the blonde girl putting the finger in mouth like A. You know standing in a suggestive way in all the other stuff. That's. Going on around that girl I mean my Lord you know what? I'm saying it's not only just the costumes. You know it's also it's most definitely also the choreography is the dance moves. That posted the first poster poster showing guys the one girl on all fours. Another one's got her legs open. Another one is you know what I mean in the the girl in the middle just has her arm up you know what I mean. In like a dance pose. But all the other ones are in some sort of suggestive. Position. Best. That's crazy. That's the straight disgusting. In netflix's going to let this be on their streaming site. Holy God. Google reviews of you like district for the movie I have try has A. Two hundred to one one-star reviews of course one person put a five star review. Yeah, and he was like, yeah, this. Looks great for people that really want to raise their child to be a thought. Word you ready to raise a child to be a thought? Hey, what's cuties guys? You know what I'm saying it's like that is not how. The trailers. So because I, literally, I heard about it this morning. So I was like all right let me check out this trailer. Let me see with my own two eyes and I watched it and I literally my jaw dropped I was like this is real. This is a real thing. I can't believe I'm watching this. There's another shot where one of the girls falls falls down and she's wearing like. Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible you to see. It's like a shot just her crotch. You know what I'm saying it's an eleven year old girl at least. They're acting as there. Are Eleven years old but clearly, these girls are young girls they shouldn't be. Oh Yoy it is so bad. And this is a movie that's being okay that got passed on. And okayed by net flicks death says something. That says something I don't care if. The description on that flicks. Yeah Go ahead go ahead go ahead, go ahead. I'd say the original description on Netflix said that it that. Eleven girl became interested in a torquing dance group. Yes and then they. Take Turkey and out of the description. Yeah. So that's what it was because when I first heard about it. I saw it in a said working group, and then in the video in the in the trailer they're working. You know what I'm saying they're dressed as if they are grown women dancing and stuff and doing all this crazy sexually. Suggestive movements and stuff and they're eleven. And this? Is a movie that's supposed to be okay. Breath I'm not Nah I ain't about that life. You know what I mean. Got An update from net flicks new. Wow. Okay They have apologized for the inappropriate cuties poster. Criticized for sexualizing children. and. So they've only apologize mean so they've only apologize for the poster they're not apologizing for putting up the damn movie. An. Their actual statement was that stupid. that. Stupid. Apologizing for the quickly, took down the offending artwork the. Something Different That don't mean a damn thing. Did they change out the entire movie? They re edit the movie and take out every single dance move or every single suggestive thing in the movie hail to the No, they didn't guarantee. You can't do that so that the still going to do it why because they spent money on it Got Their money on it. And you know why also and I'll get I'll listen exactly they're thinking, Hey, everybody is going to be checking this movie out now because everybody's tripping about it now everybody's going to watch it and then they're gonNa rip it apart and it's going to be is going to go viral. We're GONNA make money off this movie hale that's gross. That is fricking gross and says, we're sorry for the inappropriate artwork that we used for this film. This was not an accurate representation of the film. So the image and description has been updated. The image and the description not hey, guys were sorry about the description were sorry about this trailer we realized that it's it's it's it's very suggestive. And it could trigger some people actually taken down this entire movie. You'll never see it on Netflix on our platform ever ever again. That's what they should be doing. That's what they should be saying. That's ridiculous. I'm not down I'm I don't have patience for that man. Go ahead this movie one. Let's see. At Sundance. Let's see. I, think it one. Step at Sundance? Aged here it is it could have the most amazing storyline. It could be it could have an amazing storyline really it could. You know like the whole bend it like Beckham type of storyline where she triumphed she changes her families, minds about her being a dancer and all that you know she's able to obviously there's a clash of cultures in there. You know she's going against the grain in regards to what her family values are and what she really wants to do because she just wants to dance. You know what I'm saying I get that I totally get that but at the same time though. The trailer itself is a terrible terrible trailer. Terrible now, the movie could be something completely different. But there's a lot of stuff in that in that trailer that tells me otherwise realtime. tyrannous to said, something some of the teen girls that wear some outfit school are ridiculous. Many parents have. Had to bring clothes. In. From. For. Them to change. The continually the dress code and pushed the limits. Now I understand that piece I understand that in real life kids girls get kids want to find their own individuality they want to be their own selves they they're growing into their own the under starting to understand their own femininity or masculinity. I understand that they're trying to I understand those pieces and I understand showing those themes in a movie, but you can do it in a tasteful way. And at least in the. Way. I. Don't know about overseas and because I know this is a this is a foreign film. Overseas is a little bit different. Maybe, maybe the culture over there wherever that movie was made is a little bit more lenient about those things but not in America. America's looking at data going hale. That's not cool. That is heavily suggestive stuff that no child should be seen. Unless I'm movies are I don't even know. Still still, it's just not something that kids should NC seventeen now get outta here. Something that Nobody Know Parents Award? No adult. No. I'm not trying to go see this movie you know what I'm saying. I can't believe it's a man I can't believe that that is even getting. They got even away with that. You know what I mean. I don't see what the rating is. Doesn't actually. Has. People give it, a B minus, unripe tomatoes. I mean. It has the highest rating has four stars. On rotten tomatoes or. I am DB go to Google reviews everything one-star but way rotten tomatoes four out of what stars five. Wow. I'm David an eighty, two percent. Maybe it is. Maybe it is enough seventeen people's things. Maybe it is a really really good movie I don't know I just all I know is a trailer that I've seen that. Me Otherwise. You know. Like I said it could have the most amazing message in there. But YOU'RE NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA you're not gonNA. See me sit down and watch something like that. I'm sorry nor would I ever let my if I was a parent I would not let my children see something like that period that is just wrong I'm sorry this disgusting. That's really discussing. Ain't nobody got time for that kind of stuff. None and you know the fact that's going to trigger some dudes some people out there. You know what I'm saying now here's a movie doing it right but we know this is all going on. For Real Yep. And a whole bunch of schools and all groups. And they children are becoming are hitting puberty earlier. since we've been kids. The age of. Adolescent says. Changed I mean I used to be like what? Thirteen fourteen get your hip carry now there's some. Kids are. Nine. Like this in you know they say it's a lot of with the hormones and the milk and all the different things in our food products and everything. But sexualization of children's gone to a younger and younger age and IT'S A. And maybe that's why people are are ready. Okay. 'cause saying it's a true depiction of you know Young women are going through now and you know the type of struggles face, but the fact that it's been made into A. You know everything is a been sexualize D- And the way that it's being looked at. This is a real issue that's out there that you know all of our. Young children are being more and more decentral a decent since. E sensitization centralization what. I'm looking for they're desensitized desensitized to sexualization. In a the all the images they see every day and magazines all the movies they see on tv I mean everything that they can turn on any of the shows on primetime. You Got Bachelor out there you got temptation island. You got all of these things where you know that's all they're trying to buy all day long it's our entire culture and we just pick one thing out to be mad at Yeah I you know I am. Not For this movie being up there and out there. But. There's a bigger. Much bigger issue and it's very easy to pick on one on one show that's out there. But you know there's a larger movement that has to happen. I mean, that's the reason that like Kyle. You know is out there and doing stuff because there's groups of people out there that that. Are Predators, and they look for girls that are in these types of things and they do sexualize them. Mr Subaru ask question is like it's It's okay for a young girl that we're crop top or show their midrift. They're not sexualizing it. It's the people that are looking at it that are saying that sexual because people have been told to that sexual and if you see stomach or you see shoulders or you see. Thighs or things like that. and. and. I have young kids and do I want them going out and doing this type of stuff now? I don't Hel Ne But I could understand why you know if on Youtube you know. If. You're not watching your kids. and. It just takes one second to have a suggested movie or suggested other video that pops up that all sending think they're watching something that was fine and then you hear something from the other room like what is going on in their? Yup. It's Especially, the younger kids are watching some of these youtubers that growing up in watching A. Somebody. That was doing one type of channel right? Right and all of a sudden that person now is a teenager. They're getting a little bit a little bit older. and. Now they're content has changed yet the kids are watching them for the toy reviews are now getting to see them you know. Change. Your channel into a sexy clothes party or whatever it may be. It's a hall. Yeah. It's like oh I went to I bought all this stuff on. Such, and such dot com hall and it's like. Where did you go from being making slime videos to a full-on Bikini Hall like what the Heck is going on? You know what I'm saying so. That piece to and I it's. It's weird because yeah. As you grow as a creator or something like that grows things start to change you change as you grow you know. I. You're probably doing you know fart jokes, toilet humor and then you change you know you know that's the kids centric stuff. But then you gotta remember this. There's a lot of people like you just said there's a lot of kids that are still kids that are consuming stuff. And I don't think a lot of creators are mindful of that. And that's that's sad. It's a sad thing but you know unfortunately, you can't. Stop a person from growing in changing just because the consumer that's watching hasn't grown. At the same rate, you know what I mean at the same time as said Creator, you know what I mean but I mean but I definitely see your point. Absolutely you know tyrannous said video up. Need I say more need we say more I completely agree with that too. We got videos like. wop out there Cardi B., mega millions, wop that is out there. That is wrapping saying all this crazy stuff. There's things that are. Part of the norm. That's out there part of pop culture. The kids are consuming every single day. You listened to tick tock you hear all these videos and all the all the songs that they're doing dance moves to and stuff like that the things that they're wrapping to. You know what? I'm saying you got debate talking about doing something. You know a sexually explicit thing to a girl. And there's this girl who's eleven years old just you know hit the wo- to the song in mouth in the words. Yeah I mean, we are it. Things are getting hyper sexualize things are getting. More lenient. I'm not sitting here saying we gotta go back to the nineteen fifties. You know what I'm saying it's not like I'm sitting here saying we gotta go back to the nineteen fifties and everything's gotta be safe and clean and all that i. mean you know the sorry these are the harsh realities are of our world but I think these, there's got to be some sort of censorship. To a certain extent. For the. Let's just keep it on Tiktok. You know. Yeah please. Put that whole movie on Talk Oh my God. Basically that is Tiktok do you understand? that. Movie is talk. As much as everybody's like Oh my God tiktok. Other going to ban it in a couple of weeks. Oh, my God you guys ever Seen Tiktok to talk is disgusting. TIKTOK is disgusting. Yeah there's still there's some creators out there that that may content under this. Some really talented people on there don't get me wrong but then there's the other stuff and you like Brad this is real. How old is this person? And he's doing what? Stuff like that. You don't to me. It's sad. It's really really really really sad but I digress. cuties definitely not something I'm going to be watching anytime soon. For Show and Yeah. We just gotTa we gotTa keep moving as much as it might have the most amazing message Inza of verwoerd. SNOT GONNA. Get me to go and sit down and watch it I can. I'll read a book and I'll be justice moved. Thank you very much. So moving on. Last bit last conversation of a day. Turn you down Real Quick Jack. For this thing real quick. Okay. So This is something very interesting. So. Come on. Okay so Trump. was asked during a press briefing. About his thoughts. About you and their theories, the the some very interesting questions that this particular reporter was asking and he puts in his two cents about his thoughts on Cunanan. So we're going to check it out. During the pandemic. Cunanan Movement. Has Appears to be gaining a lot of followers and you talk about what you think about that and what you have to say to people who are following this movement right now we'll ever know much about the movement other than I. Understand they liked me very much. which I appreciate but I don't know much about the movement. I have heard that it is gaining in. Popularity and from what I've here. Here's these are people that when they watch the streets in Portland. When they watch what happened in New York City in just the last six or seven months, but this was starting. Even four years ago when I came here, almost four years can you believe it? These are people that don't like seeing. What's going on in places like Portland and places like Chicago and New York and other. Cities and states. And I've heard these are people that love our country and they just don't like seeing it. So I don't know really anything about it other than. They do supposedly like me and they also. Would like to see. Problems in these areas like especially the areas that we're talking about go away because there's no reason the Democrats can't run a city and if they can't, we will send in all of the federal whether it's troops or law enforcement whatever they'd like we'll send him in. We'll straighten out their problem in twenty four hours or less can. Of the theory is this belief that you are secretly saving the world from this site tanic cold of pedophile and cannibals does that sound like something what you are behind him I haven't I haven't heard that but Is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing. If if I can help save the world from problems, willing to do it. I'm willing to put myself out there and we are actually we're saving the world from the radical left. Philosophy. That will destroy this country and with this country is gone. The. Rest of the world would follow. The rest of the world would follow. That's the importance of this country. Interesting. So He went on and said all of that stuff about Cuna I found that to be extremely interesting. But what's funny to me is that he is constantly he is definitely got his politicians shoes on for sure he doesn't confirm nor deny anything. he. says. I know of it I've heard of them. These. One thing. That's really great as they they like me. I think that's hilarious. I've always thought that was very, very funny I'm still kind of assessing the you know the video that we watched. You know like I said. He's not confirming he's not denying. He's just saying his thoughts on it and saying, Hey, these are my thoughts on. This is how I feel about them and yes, they're doing their helping helping. Keeping the world clean from all from all the crazy stuff that the radical left is doing and Blah Blah Blah, and trying to save the world. You know. It's very interesting. Very interesting. Jack what are your thoughts on this bra? What are your thoughts so? Cunanan is fire far-right. Conspiracy. Based item. and. It's basically like an offline anarchist group. And like I don't know it's funny that now the trump stating this and in facebook in a within the last couple of days to as removed over nine, thousand, nine, hundred and fifty groups and four hundred and forty pages and over ten thousand instagram accounts associated with the movement. and you know it's A. They're saying that Donald Trump is waging a secret war against the deep state network pedophile 's. Powerful. Government Business and media figures and people that are commonly included in that the Clintons now Obama Oprah. There's even been ellen and Tom Hanks ran a list goes on essentially everybody that's ever flown on the APP seen plane. You know is kind of included in this list this mix yet. So. But you know by. Saying, Hey, here's a conspiracy group. And bringing it up the president and then him saying, Oh, I don't really know much about it but I do know this and this, and this, and this and this and this and this this and this and this about him. Yeah I don't know anything about him. And they like me so they're good conspiracy group. And you know they didn't like me and then they would be a bad conspiracy group. And you know, yeah, we're just saving what they want me to save people from this but. By not acknowledging that it is a conspiracy group shutting them down like all. It's GonNa do is fuel that entire group? And it's a in they think that. You know at the base of it that president trump is cute. Yeah and so. Now. This is just going to really. Really really set everything up Cunanan began in. October two thousand seventeen is an honest message on four Chan. and he user claimed to have top security clearance within the US government and signed off posting honestly as Q.. And that's how it became Cunanan. And then it communicate cryptic posts and claims to be involved directly in a secret trump lead investigation global network of child abusers. So. Supposedly, there's people that fall all the stuff that every time some kind of a new post goes out and reference to pedophilia and things like that. That on the QA nine post on four channel within like the same minute. And so like they're saying that you know, obviously it's the same people that are posting on on trump post about something about it and within the same exact minute posted every single time on this message board. That they keep on linking things up and. I would love for our president. Any any of our presidents to be able to go down and take down a pedophilia ring it if it is. Able to be proven and they can pull people out and all these people are involved in it. Then great. Take them down. And I absolutely agree absolutely. Agree with that I mean I would here's the thing. I understand that maybe curious. Let me say this. Let me just say this. To say this. I think trump knows exactly what's going on with Cunanan. I think he knows exactly what it is. He's playing dumb. Of course, he's giving him. He's giving Cunanan love for sure. He could very well be the he could very well be Q. he could very well be the man who does everything he could very well be superman and his mind in this world he could be superman in this thing and he's playing Clark. Kent. You see what I'm saying Oh, I don't know what he's talking about pushing up his his glasses I don't you know who saved you oh my gosh. Faster than a locomotive. You know. That kind of thing. So Right Now. Here's the thing. If. He really is involved with Cunanan. There ain't no way. He's going to say right there live on the on on a press conference. He Iron Man you know what? I mean Cain Tony Stark he ain't gonNA walk up and go I am iron man you just not GonNa. Happen. It's not GonNa Happen Yeah. So of course he's going to sit there and play dumb. If that is the case that he is involved with Cunanan if he's involved Cunanan. He's not gonNA expose it at all. He will never expose it but he's been saying stuff like drain the swamp he's been saying all types of stuff that they use phrases that they use in Cunanan. But I'll tell you this though. Here's the other thing. If they are if non is really. Working its but off to expose the bad things that are going on out there, and of course, the throwing them out there as Let's say as conspiracy theories, you know 'cause they're all conspiracy theories as of late. Of course, he's not going to sit there and expose himself. If you're out there. Investigating. In your all incognito in you're all undercover. You're not going to put yourself out there and say, Oh yeah I'm a undercover FBI agent? No you're not going to do that. You're going to go I have no idea what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying. I have no idea what you're talking about but from what I understand, they love me. Of course. From what I understand they're great. They're really great group and they're doing really great things for this country. And most importantly, they like me. That was that was a joke. Clearly, he was making a little bit of a joke there you know. So I don't really mess with them because they like me if it was Cunanan going against trump, you know obviously, he'd probably say these guys are terrorists. He probably all kinds of different stuff. But. Yes. He most definitely I feel has some sort of something. Involve Cunanan. Is just. He's not going to say it out loud and he never will. Until they do exactly what he's trying to do, which is drain the swamp, get the truth out there whatever that truth is whatever he's trying to expose. So, we'll see I mean it's interesting that that lady that reporter asked that question right then and there, and then you know just his reaction was very interesting. Well, there was a little bit of. Pride in there there was unknown. About Kim. You know they love me and they're doing great things for this country. But no, I. Don't know anything about him but they love me. Soon I'm saying they're trying to help us stop the the crazy stuff that's going on the far left is trying to destroy this country. You know kind of like he's opening up his shirt going superman. You know what I'm saying that's doing that whole like I'm about to go save the world turn go turn myself in from from Clark Kent Into Superman. Wink wink nudge nudge I don't know you're talking about you mean the. Some man saved you Superman save you glad he was there in the right time. Right, you see what I'm saying so. There you have it. I mean, we got several got nineteen. GOP Congressional candidates that have acknowledged Cunanan. and yeah. Joe Ray Perkins Republican US Senate candidate Oregon had tweeted something an video that said I stand with President. Trump I stand with Q. and the team thank you not and that's been deleted. So there's going to be several Q. supporters that are. Potentially going to be in Congress. cool. Really and the plot thickens as we were saying the plot. thickens and it's GonNa continue thickening. You know maybe some truths will finally start to be exposed here whether it is whether trump is involved or trump is not. You know or maybe he's funding them in on the side I, don't know anything's possible. Anything is possible. You know all those hillary emails is all the proof. We just need those hillary emails. Exactly know exactly, and then it's like pizza gate in all those things that have been leaking out and everything Brad. There's some things out there. That are just unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable stories which will have to talk about on another show because pizza gates and. Weiner. There's this. There are some things that would be that would blow your mind. And it would be wild and here's the thing. If Cunanan is is. Is Out there and doing and does some things like exposes people and does the right thing like? The truth. I am not going to get in their way I'm going to sit there and go come on. Drain that swamp go hey, I want to see. Warts and all I want to see the truth y'all I'm totally down for that. You know what I'm saying I against them trying to expose bad evil doers out there. Come on man show me show me the Carfax you know what I'm saying. Let me see you know. But at the same time. Right now everything that has been put out so far has been just that has been. Called conspiracy theories I wanna see proof I wanna see those things some interested see what happens you know Hillary Clinton stuff is a crazy thing. Bill Clinton. Stuff is a crazy thing. There's more photos and stuff that just leaks before he spoke the other night. Did you see this? The the photos man just google it. Google it bre like he just straight up was up there. You know we got to wrap up the show unfortunately, but he was up, he's there's photos that have been put up of him literally. getting massages he's sitting in a chair and the and I think if I'm correct the grow that's accusing him of all these things. Virginia Godfrey. Her name is again I think. She is behind him massaging him like massaging his shoulders and all that. It's not like it's not any pornographic like. Caught red-handed photos, but he is getting a massage from her. So a lot of people are starting to send that out when he because he went he spoke. The other night for the DNC. And a lot of people like was that the right choice. was that the right choice to bring her to bring him on to speak? So. It's interesting. And you know for a fact, Hillary will always try to protect her man till her last dime breath because she doesn't want to tarnish. The legacy. But we can only imagine we can only wait to see what really gets exposed. Yes. Well, they his head is his mike half spaces cut off but yeah, that's the photo. That's the photo. One of the photos I'm about. Blam. Oh. He's a sitting at chill and getting a massage from an air. Or something. Yeah Yeah. He's just getting you know old fashioned shoulder. Shoulder massage from old girl right there. You know what I'm saying. You have a cigar on you. Yeah. No Kid. In a blue dress. So. In a blue dress. That's real. Nice. Thank you so much. Anyway what the definition of is is. Yes. I did smoke but I did not. Inhale. Back. Kind of thing. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. then. Later I did have sexual relations with that woman with that woman yes. That woman. It's crazy. So. Sad but anyway. But obviously as time goes, the plot will thicken the stories will come out. And Cunanan or whoever else is going to do it will drain this lake or drain the swamp, and so I'm waiting to see what happens. The plot we'll thick and we'll continue to thicken as we get closer and closer to this election. Anyway, we gotta go. We gotta go guys that since it is I was GONNA. SAY WE'RE GONNA go to a quick commercial break no eight is over you know what I'm saying commercial break until tomorrow along commercial break until seven PM tonight. Seven PM Central Standard Time. Jack. Thank you so much for being on. Today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Man. So everybody thank you so much for being on chopping it up with US having a good time. If this is the first time of you, checking out the show hit that subscribe button y'all that would really mean a lot just so you know we do this show live Monday through Friday nine am central standard time, and I also do a show at seven PM Central Standard Time as well. I will be on tonight at seven. PM Central Standard. Time to chop it up with you guys talk about any developing news. 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76: The End of the Supreme Court, As It Was Known

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76: The End of the Supreme Court, As It Was Known

"This means that Donald Trump will be the forty fifth president of the United States. This is your life. Now this is our election. Now this is us. This is our country. It's real. Hi and welcome this week's forty. Fifth podcast. I am here with watch a highly back watch. Hello. Thank you for inviting me for a week with no good news whatsoever by appreciate it. I just saved me for the most depressing weeks and it was pretty bad last week too. I mean, I guess it kinda got worse. Yeah, air. We just found out last night that apparently climate change is going to destroy as much sooner. It's like a major story that otherwise would have been covered of it because we live in the Trump administration's like story number eight. But apparently we have until twenty forty to get our stuff together. Twenty forty because you read their port and if you had ready yet used, definitely read it. It's in your times. It's very sobering. Yeah. If you wanna feel happy, don't read it. But anyway, the actual numbers in there are like twenty thirty twenty two to twenty forty is like mid range. Optimistic very, yeah. Yeah. And that's just that's that's the optimist who actions medium optimistic thirty also possible for that like dire point. Basically, it is now unavoidable than in our lifetimes. We are going to live through global crisis scale. We've definitely seen since World War Two and possibly not even then. Yeah, we live in interesting times. We live in interesting times and it's one of the situations where I know on this. Podcast. I've said before, always give that analogy, and you know, people thought I was exaggerating that if if given a choice between renting a room to a woman or person of color or burning on the house, the angry whites will burn down the village and just feel like we see examples of that both here and in Europe end in now in Brazil, even those not whites, but you're seeing the rise of far-right the return through a liberal democracy. So that might be that might be our near future. Oh, and by the way climate change might destroy. So. So who knows? It's going to be either authoritarianism where the people who are poor marginalized, if you have ovaries, your person of color will be oppressed, if is reviving a blue state and have some nice property an internet access. You can make a go of it until twenty forty because then we're all gone. Yeah. Well, the, I think the story of the late twenty tens and hopefully not too much. The twenty twenties is going to be how. Resurgence fascism stopped the world from making one last great stand against climate change before. It was definitely too late. If we acted right now, if we acted on the scale, that's actually probably impossible given what we know world behavior we could dramatically stop right now. This moment in time what's going to happen before gone at this moment, it could be averted and won't be, but it could be. That's why don't have any faith because also what happened. Another piece of news that just drifted by because there were so many fires burned on this country is that the EPA the Trump administration's EPA use sketchy signs to say a little radiation is pretty good for you. So I'm not making that up for listening fortunately. Yes. So, and then you know America's one of the worst abusers, but you also have China that, you know, even though it's it's party to the purse, grim kind of is Knowles barred to the hilt. Deregulation giving zero apps. So when you have United States which has abdicated its role, one of many roles on the global stage backing away from the Paris agreement, and you have China n. you have from EPA saying, little radiation is good for you. It's it's, it's it's fascinating. Like, you know, the thing, isn't it? Interesting. 'cause everyone's both citing hate being right some with his whole cabinet thing. I just tweeted two days ago doesn't take a genius that everyone's talking about civility in both sides, especially Republicans. Now this both cider ISM is stunning because now you see the press picking up like, oh, don't be so angry women or don't go low and just let's have civility and move on. And mild question is, isn't it amazing that for some people in this country or the minority in order to feel great, they need a Justice cavern. They need kids in prison. They need unarmed black people being shot. They. Need deregulation. They need a tax cut for the rich. They need a little bit of radiation. So what does it say about them? And what does it say about the rest of us who are against it? Ashes them as a human impulse. We've not ever volved on it and probably never will probably and giving people have threatened privilege fascism rises again. And that's why I think you know all these people are talking about this, this being a pill. Before I, I hopefully, you know, turn the tide may. We could talk talk about what where some silver linings is. You know, people are talking about this Blue Wave and it might happen, but you don't, you know us to see the trends Republicans. There are a minority party. They've shrunk Trump. CNN, pull just came out that Trump is negative thirty one with women. It's stunning, but the independence are now buying into the Republican narrative that apparently what happened? The Cavanaugh was. No unfair and they kind of go for the pox on both houses. Both sides were wrong and you see this rallying of the base, and then we just saw today from Tennessee that was a Senate. See that could've flipped. Guess what happened? The democrat candidate was up by two points guests up now, the Republican candidate by eight points because just like you said, they're threaten it's all or nothing. Zero sum game and Steve Bannon said, as long as you play density politics, which white people have done all throughout the centuries of this country, he says, Republicans will win and because gerrymandering voter suppression, you know, I don't. I don't know if the Democrats can take the house into see think you're gonna. Keep act Taylor swift is not enter the ring. Oh yeah, the Taylor swift, but you know what? I put something here yesterday, Luna. So those were listening Taylor swift for the first time ever decide to throw a ring in politics, honor, Instagram, basically did a kind of basically said, don't vote. For Blackburn and basically went with, like, you know issue? No, I'm horrified by position on women. I'm horrified that she a vote for the violence against women act. I'm or you know, she's like I'm proud to be t I'm pro woman on prime more pro minorities and Donald Trump today said he likes her twenty five percent less, which is weird. You didn't miss. That just came goes, I like Taylor's. Twenty five percent less than so you like, you know, he's always precise number. Yeah, it's very presented ill when my thing was I could be wrong in a way I respected because everyone's on Twitter. The kids are on Twitter. The Taylor swift is not like your, you know, flaming lefty. She's a darling of America. Yeah, three, she's very specific in and makes a case for a specific race in Tennessee. So I'm wondering if that's enough, but with Cavanaugh she went up enough. I don't know. What do you think? Do you think democ Dem's will take the house? Maybe I, if they don't, then everything's over basically if everything's over having summer, like I really. I don't mean that in Bollock way. It's all over at. There's not one chamber where the Democrats have subpoena power without that everything's over. What do you think going to go down? How do you things are gonna go down. I mean, probably I think there's. I'm not going to say like, I feel good about it, but like a coin toss plus a little bit. That's going to be. Democratic house Senate know NIA Senate, actually low, probably lose one or two seats, but maybe we'll have a silver lining and like, you know, Ted Cruz will lose. You know what that might happen. Like everything else go terribly. But like one tiny little bright spas like actually Tigers law. So we got that at least it's this lizard in human flesh. Rub your describes him. Yeah, the scroll among us. It'd be like this one one sweet victory. But the thing is everyone says Trump's winning and they giving him too much credit because Trump can only win because Republican party let someone I think people are letting the Republican party off the hook, and I think they're giving Trump way too much credit. People forget. Like I think it's weird that there's a difference there drawing here because they're not anymore. Trump is Republican party or publicans Trump year, but now the press is finally coming up to that, right? But the thing is the Republican party. I mean back in the day another, it's gonna be me nostalgic elected officials were supposed to be servants of the people whose oath to the constitution in even when the president this supposed to serve as a check and balance because we have three branches executive legislative and the judiciary. The Republicans are letting him do. People. Forget that Steve Bannon said this in twenty fifteen in the summer of those big Bloomberg report. I'm forgetting the name of the author, but he wrote later, wrote the book, the devil's bargain, Stephen. The beautiful thing is like all these reporters, like chewy, take Trump literally in seriously. I'm like, yes, there are people open. One thing at both from administration. They're not settled like Steve Bannon Jeff Sessions. They've never been subtle. Steve Bannon said Trump is quote a blunt instrument, but I don't think he gets it might interpret nation of it is a, he doesn't get the white nationalist agenda. But Bannon said, that's fine. He's blunt instrument. The petition is like John ego. Oh, you think so? I think I think for it it was Bannon's agenda, which is restriction of Judeo Christian white civilization protected from the the Brown Muslim arts. And then if if if you here even the jokes Christians, they say the same thing, he's like our king, David, he's Cyrus, he's a flawed instrument and fought anymore. He just, he just an instrument, not even that he's no, he's leader eventually kills totally embraced. They're fully behind Trump as a person not just says, tool Bana and do just or Trump is h Trumpism. They, he is. They, they're not like Bannon Bannon knows what he's doing to while I don't know the case there. Dan is. His political skills have been far overestimated, I believe, but at least has awareness of what he's trying to do. Think that the others are aware enough that way to separate themselves from Trump like that Trump is them. They are Trump. But I think for the replica Kosovo for the Republican party, the reason why they're all in is because the base is now all Trump or infected with Trumpism, their donors of openly said, Lindsey, Graham at this forget that he openly admitted says they told us if we don't pass the tax Bill, not to come back. All the rich donors pass the tax Bill, which they did the got the justices might get a third or fourth one people are like, oh, they'll only get to. They might get three or four. Take back one of the chambers in like twenty before twenty twenty is that Trump will have unchecked power for the next two years, and they'll be nothing to stop him from a him. They're putting party from. I define political scheme where they don't need majorities to win. Well, that's already what's happening right. Does people forget that the majority Senate that bomb rushed Cavanaugh through a flawed process is the minority and the two presidents who lost the popular vote are responsible for putting the last four supreme court. Justice that's Bush and Trump. Trying to hire someone their lives you can do that are not smart. Now includes going through hundreds or thousands of UCS maze. Don't fly what you're looking for. And it also includes trying to, you know, half ass Ajab and not actually find the best job, but you know, what is smart going to recruiter dot com slash forty five to hire the right person. ZipRecruiter actually doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. It takes away all the hassle and the work. It's totally convenient. It has powerful matching technology, which scans, thousands of resumes that dentist people for you with the right skills. -cation experience for the job in actively than invites them to apply. 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Look what's happening in now you think about it in your like everything is just lined up so perfectly for it to come together. Right Trump was the blunt instrument minority majority rule gerrymandering barely won the election by seventy thousand of votes Russia essentially as winning all cross Europe without firing too many bullets. You have Poland. That's non gone pro Russia yet. Victor orb in Hungary, the rise of the Nazi party that basically the Freedom Party barely lost Austria Brexit and you see it right, if just barely barely got by. And then it reminds me, oh crap. People didn't vote because it. The whole boat sights will her emails. Remember all that two years ago I should get over it, but I don't get over it. I don't think histories when Gilbert for a long time. So have you gone over? So I just wanna ask us as the sole representation of fifty one percent of the mob AK women. Now there's some Democrats and Republicans finger-wagging sing, get over, Cavanaugh move on civil seen that. And I gotta say, I, I have Republicans like mostly there's no actually seen where have you sent Chris coons Chris considered already. That's totally Chris isn't. It doesn't surprise me and the tampering down impeachment talk. And now they're enough. Okay. Then peach mint is not going to, well, let's go to big oil literal elephant in the room, the knee Republican Justice, because it is clear that this now there always was clear, but now there's no doubt they political supreme court and what happened? The amount of awfulness can't be overstated. It's just one of those things. It's broken and can't be fixed. Again, we can make it better long-term, hopefully, but like we can't go back and our lifetimes. This was, you know, a devastating weekend and we're not a point. We have no idea what America's gonna look like five ten years at all. You know, it's gonna look like, I think post reconstruction, Erica, you're gonna see white rate. I mean, really, I mean that it's, it's gonna be minority majority rule, but the difference is unlike the nineteenth century, women actually have the right to moat and black people aren't slaves, and there's no segregation and minorities have avoids and white. People can't just eat both white liberals and white slave owners and segregationists can't just, you know, rule without any type of pushback in. That's what essentially is going to break the country I think is because you have like you mentioned minority majority rule. You have tainted supreme court now, right? Because it's tainted. It's tainted. I think in my opinion, we'll see how the interesting from academic perspectives even happens by at aspirin court is not institution. It was before it's from dad long spring court? Yeah, and McConnell. Just entered the White House east refer Cavanaugh. Any received a standing ovation in rod Rosenstein. Is there also because Kavanagh's is buddy? Yeah. It's it's bad it like, you know, if you believe in a liberal wing liberal in the traditional sense, not in the democratic lefty cents. If you believe in a liberal world order, what happened is the disaster. We'll see how much you're cavenaugh could be like a little more moderate than he obviously seems to be. It's possible. He will be like a lukewarm and some respects. I don't think so. I mean, check in Roberts is very far right. So when Roberts is your new Anthony? Kennedy. Demings. The court has shifted over to the window, everything in America, right? Of course going to be like as far as public could be from the rest of the United States, which is not tenable the long term. And he just because people are people starting people say, it doesn't represent me. You lose all credibility or legitimacy in the court. Again is supposed to be one of the Coequal branches of grim that serves to serve as a check and. Cabinet said, if we remember back in the day before the doctor Ford's testimony, he said the supreme court Justice should be neutral, should be neutral arbiter in unpire. But then during the right after doctor testified, he said off his own written words that he wrote what goes around comes around. And he also said, this was all part of, you know, a smear campaign done by the Clintons and the left that dude is now the deciding fifth vote, and so your your optimism, I shared it for like maybe two seconds, but I'm like, no knocked them. Yeah. And he, you know, he, he's cherry picked by the federalist you know he was can starts hatchet man during the Clinton impeachment. I mean, e she's like primarily political operative. He is Gorsuch is different. I don't like such a lotteries, but like Gorsuch as much more traditional in terms of his sucking. If I mean like sake for what I want to see happen, but otherwise does not have like a pardon history like like Kavanagh's Kavanagh's born out of parts. Cavanagh was born of tar Gatien Gorsuch it's just a really conservative. I cavenaugh is a part of the, I injure second. And so with Roberts the hope and Roberts is because Roberts if we remember was at saving for ObamaCare, it one, five, four and Kennedy people forget even though he, I mean it shady what he did. I, yeah, I, there's a lot of mixed on that. A lot of legal commentators attended, you know, it's not as it's not shady. It's, you know, it's being hype. I without endorsing it all the more extreme stuff going on. Twitter, that was all nonsense he did is inappropriate and damaging long-term to the viability report. And that's why was shady. It wasn't giving credence in conspiracy, but my thing that you know the fact is. His role in cabinet office, you know. But candy, people forget is a Republican who also was the deciding vote on some major cases and Republican. Never forgave him for Wade. They never forgave him for that. And also he's the one who wrote the very stirring and beautiful opinion. Legalize will give marriage equality, but everyone's now turning their eyes to Roberts. I don't see a, but apparently I was reading Kagan Roberts or having conversation about, hey, no one's going to respect the court. The majority of Americans will see us as a legitimate and, oh, by the way, where Coequal branch of government. But I, I just don't have faith in cabinet after his performance. You should believe people when they show you for who they are. I also think there's a range of ways he could rule and decide an issue. It's not necessarily true my guess that he would, but it is. It was possible. He would not overturn Roe v, Wade, give an opportunity. He could find another way to undercut it. An entrepreneur Tackett my guess is he'll overturn it, but I would not call it a foregone conclusion as point at say, for practical purposes, it's close to foregone, but there may be some shreds of at leftover, which will be good thing because offals would be there's a way could take down rookie weighed that wouldn't take down all the other host of rights built on. That's my, that's my office to cope right now is they take away weighed in a way that doesn't of this rate. Everything came before it will gut the gut it, and then the states, especially the red states are going to do everything their power to completely eliminate any clinics see this. It's not even stop there. I really don't think that the endgame endgame federal laws opposing one is access to healthcare. That's the end game. We're talking about the house in our conversation earlier. 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That's how do you motivate a large part of the base, anything in everything can be jettisoned anything. Everything can be sacrificed case in point Trump as long his, he's a blunt instrument that gets us to gut Roe v, Wade. It's all about abortion for simple for some of them and for others, it is purely regulation money. Our maga- go back to the time where white privilege was not in check. So this is my like everyone says, when was when was American. We've hearing for two years. I haven't exact date measure with you. My date, please nineteen fifty three right before Brown versus board of education decided in nineteen fifty four, which officially may segregation illegal nineteen. Fifty. Three is the high watermark. I sincerely believe if they could take the DeLorean they will take it back to nineteen fifty three's and when you talked to many the others, especially consort another place when they say when was ready, go the fifties. And then Trent Lott remember Trent Lott gun trouble. Bentley a lot of trouble when he when he said the good old days talking about pre nineteen fifty four. I really think this is death, rattle and death March. Actually, the death rattle has been into the death March white supremacy, and they're playing for all the marbles, which is why I'm not as convinced of the Blue Wave. Because of gerrymandering they need seven to ten percent. And I really do think Trump McConnell as usual, very good at rallying the base around an existential crisis, right? It wasn't economic anxiety. Survey survey finally has proven racial anxiety. You'll be a minority. They're coming to get your guns coming to get your women. They're kind of your religion. They're gonna get you. You will no longer have power the blacks in the minorities, Mexicans, the gays debt terrifies motivates the base and they all come out and they will. I think they will come up, but that being said, we haven't. No, we have to weapon Trump keeps telling them that it's fake news at they're losing you think so? Yeah, it it's, they have poll showing actually reducing turn out so that tiny edge we got is Trump's calling fake news that there might be a Blue Wave which will give some complacency. But right now though, I think just reading earlier today, five thirty gives it a seventy five percent chance at the Democrats take the house and they're favored by about four percent, which is, of course give or take the margin irritate four percent. But now this is silver lining. So we're talking about cavenaugh we're talking about being gutted by what happened. People forget hundred ninety one, Anita hill. All right, twenty seven years ago. The next year was drum roll please. The year of the woman nineteen Ninety-two was the year of the woman. If you're forget, it's not really quickly aware that point. Yeah, yeah, that was the one year of you. You know, you guys are taking all the years away from those one year of the woman and a record number of women based on what happened with Anita hill ran for office. You got six lady senators and twenty four lady house members and people forget that that was twenty some years ago before me to before time. Up before there was even really any smart, you know, nuanced education, sexual harassment, and the nation believed Clarence Thomas tuna, one compared Anita hill. So now we fast forward and we have to, we have times up. We hopefully have some more awareness. We have more female senators. What he thinks going to happen in a month. 'cause every week now is eight hundred days. The big question is how far can get pushed before finally break because they already know what women are gonna vote in favor of supporting students by Jordi. But if someone at some point it will at some point, the white woman support will break fail and my Burkan fail me go blow eighty percent. So with the close call. And if that happens, then there's beekeeper trouble from Republicans because I still need the white woman vote in order to get any Seru. And that could be teetering. It's not at all foregone conclusion, but on balance, what they've been doing is pushing it farther away rather than bringing closer to them. And so this is a thing where everyone saying this is a short term Peric victory for Republicans, but Republicans not parrot lifetime appointment. We got, you know, a five, four. We won for thirty forty years. And like you said, are all the guard rails are off. We spike the football, but exactly what you said. The secret weapon for the America is women and specifically white women. If just a sliver of these white women peel away from the Republican party just to sliver that could do it because it's still a hard heart south to get even the summer break because only so far went, women have voted in favor of white males. But what they showed with cabinets is that you're now having these negative double digit approval rating of cabinet with women and also white women, white college educated women, and some of them were Republican independence in this is also I think it's a shortsighted strategy Republicans because you think about it if they just played or appealed a little bit, if they just expanded the basis little aimed for the fifty, one percent get super majorities, but they just kinda don't. They're just like f- everyone were tripling down on her base. They're not gonna live to see over in distress. All. So why are they care? The goals are until the basically like tense expire. They don't have to worry Michael whoring onto worry about that happening. So the time that crisis happened, they'll be gone every concern about right now as the next ten fifteen years and maintaining as much controls possible and reform the world and to you know, they're conservative. Dream after that all bets are off, but you know, it will because Jesus is coming back and all of us are. And then there's a fraction who are literally doing it to bring Pakalitha which, hey, they may be the victims here. I'm actually I wasn't joking. I think people forget that that there is, you know, everyone talks about the Muslim extremists and your own white on here in America that our littlest who want the bible to replace the constitution want to be a Christian nation who want their religion enforced through the laws who don't really see this as a secular society and believe that it's their mission to pave the way for the resurrection of Jesus to come back. And if you read the end of times scatology which I have Jesus comes back in the first group that he goes after we'll take us. It's not the Muslims Jews. Jews don't fare so well and then the Muslim fair. So well, which is also interesting because you're seeing the largest Zayas boop in America's Jewish group. It's evangelized, Christians, joy. Jon hagey of Texas Christians United for Israel who by the way, one of the staunchest supporters of wait for Donald Trump, and he happened to be one of the pastors at the unveiling of the new embassy in Jerusalem. So that's, you know, all these. I think people sometimes forget the all these different parties in the Republican party are connected, not all necessarily sharing the same ideological goals, but willing to support each other for the type of long term. Short term gains consequences damned. And the rest of us the majority suffered, which is why the mid-term important, because it's the last shot for any sort of check. When I hit about thirty five years old, I realized I really didn't take my vitamins. But since then it's been nearly a decade. I have squabbled to get my daily vitamin intake in because you know what? I'm going to draw full of them. It takes forever to get all them in. 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I think that we've moved past the point where that's gonna matter. I hate saying that we just had an article week KOMO news time showing conclusively that Trump was a tax cheat and no one cared. We had more coming out this week about putting together links in the chain for Russian collusion. No one really cares. It's an accepted built. In fact, now that Trump is both a tax cheat in fraud and clue foreign governments when election and that's not proving it's not gonna change your mind. So you'll see, I think, corruption legal matter the corruptions, except it's known corruption is well known and no one cares. That's okay. So that's, that's my thing. I think the reason why no one cared about this really good, amazing New York Times report having people's rita's. Yeah, he's a crook. He's a crook. So what number one, but we still see the rush investigation positively. Most Americans do. They still see mother positive must do, and there was also a poll that says, even some. Republicans want Republicans to be a check on Trump. That's still a hope there and for independence and the people on the fence and also Republicans the things that people really don't like is corruption. Now the tolerated for Trump, but that doesn't mean they like. And so I do think if you can win over some of those independence get some of those publicans to not vote and win over some people on the fence, you go with three pronged attack number one healthcare like, hey, do you like healthcare? Do you like not dying? Will Republicans are take your healthcare Republicans adv? You note that's the most maddening thing. Also publican ads cycle or like we're gonna protect, pressing conditions, knocks plane, y knocks, they actually opposed to them running ads, blatantly saying, Democrats will take your healthcare way. We're trying to protect preconditions flam outline. It's working Trump and Senator rally. Democrats take preconditions. We're gonna protect them. They can say they want like they are going to if they have two more years of this, they will win the war to have a post resign. Well, I think we're only gonna persist because he's just lied more and more and more what you said is he's like, he says, they want to gut Medicaid. You're like, wait what it just, you know, lies upon, lies upon lies and after a while you need this, were you need. I think depressed kind of doubled down because the press based on the revolving door. That is the culture of Washington DC New York and basically all power. They want access. They want to be invited. They don't wanna play too hard ball. And so the both sides, everything even sometimes reflexive training and history and like operate for so long. It's not even some are reporters for sure. But overall, it's, this is how reports American to some worldwide are trained and educated and do their jobs, and it's really hard paradigm to break out for anyone. You know, I'm forgetting his name right now, but I think Daniel Dale Toronto Star is fantastic. Were calling all the BS. There's there's a few people who do it like, you know, with journalistic integrity and often because you can be an objective journalist and called BS. You know, you don't have to engage in this boat. Cider is minute thing. I think that's bad journalism, but I today as of right now and the bit skeptical about the wave I could be wrong. No one knows. I think I think it's more likely than not gonna happen, but that just doesn't mean all that much. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to be like this wreck. You might barely get the house and that's fine. Honestly, like all us barely barely enough in this case where it's like they need some kind of power. That's the problem right now. Public sentiment is a matter journals doesn't matter that much because if they have full control over every single branch of government, eight doesn't matter what the people think it doesn't matter. Public sentiment is they can block any process that can block any attempts to use legal system to do what supposed to do and pokes it won't matter. Yes, crush annoys people, but if they can stop any effort to investigate it and any effort to prosecute it, it won't matter what people think in the thing with the houses. The house will unleash investigation on investigation on investigation which should have been at least because of the rank corruption. The Senator of course will block it, at least it will be in the press cycle and at least will be checking balance. At least you know, and they can't block it all. Yeah, they can block it all and you will. You'll removed avenues who regard. Of your partisanship. You have to admit that this guy is objectively deeply compromised in in his duties as the head of the house intelligence committee, essentially a hatchet man for Donald Trump, and one other positive news is, I don't know if it's positive, but it's something which is interesting is lottery Putin's popularity. Plummeting in Russia in falling. Rush is not going to be this. There's some comfort that whatever happens Russia's not gonna win by when I mean come out well, except unless I take back, there's one long-term plan, which possibly is my theory about what the secret Russian plan here, and that is create a Russian temperate tropical paradise by Vance global moustaches possible. Oh, wow. Look at you. You went straight there. It's not the Jews control the weather, ladies and gentlemen. Putin. We are replacing our conspiracy in the week where George source conspiracy three went mainstream because Trump Republicans of mainstream that we're going with Putin controlling the weather. But you know, I just wanted to mention this George source conspiracy three. This is rooted purely in anti-semitism. I'm talking about the oldest antisemitic tropes of evil Jews using their power and wealth to subvert society in control people's minds. That's where it was born from. That's where it's come from from the gutter swamp exist on the fringe on the far right. And now that has become a mainstream talking point because both Trump and Republican leaders said, basically that George Soros was paying assembling this quote mob of women who were protesting Cavenham, and it just goes to show you how the Overton window has shifted so far right in what was considered fringe and looney just two years ago is now mainstream for the public in party. And my will get far worse before it will get better. Officials free tweet by nationalist. They tweet white, national slogans part has sailed. We now have a party in power of all levels of government. That is tolerant right now onto just tolerant of nationalism. But they're moving beyond tolerant to embracing art to accepting in promoting. I wouldn't say we're there yet. It's just the tolerance stage, but that's, I think it's gonna worse is because you losing women, you're losing black people, Laurie lost by people, you're losing immigrants, you're losing college-educated individuals, sliver of white women, a sliver are leaving sliver of the independence or leaving your base is going at older base is gonna die. Once you take away all their healthcare, they're gonna die. Faster. Coal isn't coming back infrastructure with Republicans. Never gonna get built and not gonna get internet. Which is further depress them a hurt them. Possibly God forbid kilson these people prematurely. And so this is a short term victory which makes them feel great again for the next ten years, but brings down the entire country. And the thing with the lost the culture war, they've lost the ideological work. They've lost the majority, which is why I still think Putin might win in the long run because America we weakens America gets divided and people forget. That's what Putin ISIS always wanted, but Russia's too weak to come back to wants to be nobody, Lisa America. It's weakened America win that way. But the outcome from Russia's not going to be great, but they can win in the gall strain or enemies yet. But you this whole, this whole Russia Centric pull that is attended to create is around many of the same propaganda mythic narratives of this resurrection of this nostalgic, white Christian empire, European empire, brave and bold. Old pure where there's a natural order. And by the way, the one thing people forget anything very important, especially in the week of the Kevin confirmation is we talk about how against immigrants black people. Jews, a major component of people always forget is what they think of women and the most threatening aspect of society is empowered women. And so they believe there's a natural order were Menon top and women have their rightful subordinate role in. If you see the fuel for outright recruitment, it's what special in college campuses with itself. Kidding. But. Yeah, yeah. The feminist women are emasculating men. Men can't be men. And so this is why Cava really does if you think about trigger is deep fear that, oh my God, the women are angry at their mob. They're taking over the take over our men in the white women who always been part and parcel soldiers. The Susan Collins of white supremacy are right there to make sure that they're protected by the system that oppresses their sisters. So it's gonna be interesting. I really am hoping on the white moderate women to come get people the next just helping a few more stop sucking as the highest right now. Just one to ten, how important socks as a man who always loses socks and his tap fix, I would put it on eight point seven out of ten, nine point five. Underselling. 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What do you think with the Susan Collins? You think she's gonna win? Twenty twenty now now I think she'll she might have gone too far. I don't see very strong Arden. I think she may have overplayed her hand in possibly even be running. Again, it's hard to say could be what we saw was her like, you know, planning your exit to be a lobbyist. Do knows. I, I think she'll probably go down that this. Here's other thing as Dyer's right now. Kavanagh reporting done that they should start done. Assuming Democrats can get any kind of hold in any chamber or any level of government, their stuff to expose it will be exposed and those supported him will suffer for it. He won't be impeached. That's not gonna happen, but those who supported him will be tied to it forever. I do think I grew here that this is a short term high. I don't think it's gonna last because one of those things when the does settles and more and more information comes out when more and more. Reflected when more people see what happened when they when the emotional high with draws its Dr Ford's testimony. It's his testimony in court, like it's the supreme court is now known as someone who has Cavanaugh on it. And Debra, Debra Ramirez there, the witnesses that they didn't investigate people will come up. It'll be more stories and the fact that Republicans double down Grassley Cornyn Collins like this stuff will add up. It's not even that, like I think that the lines are drawn part issued Cavanaugh is that the people support him didn't care if he's actually solved someone, will they still that's not gonna change your vote? Yeah, but we'll also come out, for instance, his involvement in stealing democratic politicians documents to us as part the Bush nistration that will not more and that hopefully still matters. I think it's still matters. I don't think you know the department thinks he has some shame in worries about his legacy in worries about the credibility of the court. I don't think he cares. He Kevin, I am simplifying a bit here, but nothing Kavanagh's done is that impress like he is impressive because he's worked. Political connections has a lot of ties to powerful jurists who can feed quirks through them. He has good allies. He has a really strong network as we seen, but he's never. I still don't see what about him possibly may when that he was spring court caliber level, judge I like beer. I'm nothing stupid. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. In fact, who doesn't love you goes, I worked my butt off and your grandfather was like, he's buried at you and that also kind of helped. Yeah, it's it's, you know, people need this propaganda. They need the myth of meritocracy to kind of lull themselves in themselves thinking that everything's equal and they got by on merit and to ignore the deep systemic injustices in inequality where fifty one percent of the population. Women does do the same amount of work, but get paid. Less and woman comes up with credible testimony where she's helpful. She's calmed, is intelligent, is helpful, is willing and open to anything for the investigation. And then her the accused gets to be belligerent angry. Tell like it is not answer questions, lie under oath, a talk back to senators and he gets appointed to the supreme court because of course all about merit. If it wasn't him. It wasn't cabinet. It would be another conservative jurist in many respects the be the same, but like it would be more bearable if it wasn't him on the court does not this sexual salting lying Pissy little dude, wanna port. There'd be like it would be a little more bearable, but it has. It has to be Cavanaugh Cavanaugh warrant extreme version of this power. He'll support Trump we're going now that's, and that's why people forget. And also Trump is in BuzzFeed. Just came out really good article that people to read about today that Trump people forget Trump gets to appoint his replacement Cavanaugh is or was a very powerful federal judge in Washington DC and that judge will have power over basically deciding there's a case coming over Robert, right? And so it all works out really well and and Cavanaugh based on his own writings is the one who has the most expensive view of presidential power and immunity. And so if you're Trump and your an unindicted, co-conspirator. Where most of your team, including your former campaign manager to have are convicted in her pleading guilty and mothers breathing down your throat and they have the financial trail and the chief CFO of your Trump organization that worked with mother. You're freak the f. out what better judge to put. Well, Cavanaugh apparently right now as we're talking is being confirmed and apparently giving an extremely partisan speech or Trump just gave with parts speech to announce him. So in case it's a any now, he's a neutral, a neutral, and Mitch McConnell said before, got a standing ovation and rod Rosenstein is there because he's cabinets buddy. Any shook the hands of Republican senators before taking a seat in the back and Laura Ingram is there even the Laura Ingram is not an elected official. She is a host of Fox News and the rule of us and the rule of right wing media. If indeed we have a future written by people were objective state TV state propaganda. It's it's shameful, but that's really what happens in dictatorships and saying that we're still, we're still not in quite the very worst time line. There is still a darker time line which we so far in that's Justice, Janine Pirro. That might happen. You never know the so far only in the second. Worst. No. But you might be it might be Lindsey versus Janine? No, I don't even know what I'd want there. I don't know how to choose between those two. Awful. That's shit. I might even go for session. I don't even know like sessions Graham are Pirro. Who would you choose. Like the first game ever because he's going to get rid of sessions after metro. He's gonna get routed Rosenstein. That's. The intimacy note here about why my pessimism rush enough to Gatien being able to matter if the house growing Rosenstein and Trump today spent some time on his little plane talking and afterwards Trump said that he believes trade, very fair, but the Russia investigation. All that's wildly inappropriate. All that's all assigned that there is no longer a wall between the investigation and who's being investigated, and he now has significant control over what's being done to him. And as long as Republicans have control over both the house and Senate after midterms, it will go nowhere. The brushing up station, no matter what it finds. It can have a phone call Trump call Putin and saying, hey, giving those heck deals right now, please, and it wouldn't matter. So it all comes down to midterms and I don't. I don't agree with you. It all comes down to the mid terms, but. You know when people say, oh, this never been a worse time in history. I always want to remind people that black people have been going through this since the beginning of American history. In the always found a way when they weren't being killed, raped beaten, lynched, hanged pressed to live their life with dignity and hope, and find something empowering. And we should look to black women to this out of this and to people of color into marginalized communities who have struggled and struggled with hope and found a way to build a community and climb the uphill climb. And you know, they're women running for office. There are people of color running for office. It still isn't over and maybe just maybe we hope that enough people care to come out and just for the sake of the democratic project just for the sake of the project to see if it gets revived act as a check and balance. But I said before, I'll say. It again. The midterms are month away. Every week is eight hundred days. We have no idea what's gonna happen next week, Suzanne Cass. So go talk to the white women in your life and tell them to rethink what they're doing. You said it not me. We just a few of them. So thanks again and we'll be back next week. Take care. A big, thanks to all our listeners for tuning into the forty fifth podcast week after week, and if you'd like to give us further support, you can do that by becoming a patron at patriot dot com slash forty fifth pod by doing so you can become a supporter and patron for as little as five bucks a month to do. So, again, go to patriot dot com slash forty fifth pod a shout, and thank you to our sponsors. They make this program possible, and I urge our listeners, please check out our sponsors and user products, and thank you them for helping us produce week after week. Thank you to our audio producer head a McCarthy. 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Part VI: Back Channels

The Report

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Part VI: Back Channels

"Previously on the report the f._b._i. As part of our counterintelligence mission is investigating the russian. Government's efforts is to interfere in the two thousand sixteen presidential election trump announces with some fanfare his team. It includes george popadopoulos carter page which is that donald. Trump is brilliant and i said you think i'm going to disavow state but are you crazy. I went into a plea with my eyes closed. This is a crisis. This is from manafort. He's so over leveraged. I don't understand how four different occasions a warrant was issued against. An american citizen manafort ford has resigned from the trump. Campaign is stepping down. It's december twenty ninth twenty sixteen. The obama administration announces that it's imposing sanctions on russia as a punishment for election interference michael flynn has been tapped to become trump's national security advisor when the new administration asian takes office in january but it's still the transition period flynn is taking a few days vacation at the beach. When he sees the news he grabs his phone and text the transition team at mar-a-lago he writes quote titfortat with russia not good and he says that the russian ambassador sergei or get kislyak is reaching out to him today. Flynn calls kislyak and ask that russia not escalate in response to the sanctions apparently it it works. The next day in a surprise move putin says that russia won't retaliate trump tweets quote great move on delay away by the putin. I always knew he was very smart <music>. This is the report episode six back channels. The mother report spends more than one hundred pages detailing the trump teams contacts with various russians government government officials oligarchs agents and cutouts and those contacts don't stop when trump wins the election on november eighth twenty sixteen the previous two episodes covered russian approaches to the trump team leading up to and during the campaign the trump tower moscow projects the offer of dirt at trump tower new york and overtures to george popadopoulos carter page and paul manafort but muller also looks at a somewhat different form of contact as as well outreach from the russian government pushing policies favorable to the russian federation and now it wants to start talking about new policies with people. The russians think are prepared to be friendlier than typical u._s. politicians. The story of the russian efforts to reset relations with the new administration. Shen begins with a policy speech trump delivers at a hotel in washington d._c. Goes through a resort at a remote island in the indian ocean then the u._n. Security council and ends with the president's national security adviser resigning in disgrace before turning to the transition period head. It's worth mentioning two episodes from the campaign. That muller covers at length but ultimately concludes. There isn't anything especially nefarious going on one involves a d._c. Based think tank called the center for the national interest or c._n._n. I the other involves the republican national committee changing the party's platform platform in a men are favourable so the russians here's benjamin witness who as always is paraphrasing quoting the muller report itself members of the trump campaign interacted on several occasions with the center for the national interest principally through its president and chief executive officer dimitri simes c._n._i. Is a think tank with expertise in and connections to the russian government in april. Two thousand sixteen candidate trump delivered his first. I speech on foreign policy and national security at an event hosted by the national interest a publication affiliated with c._n._i. Then senator senator jeff sessions and russian ambassador sergei kislyak both attended the event and as a result it gained some attention in relation to sessions's confirmation confirmation hearings to become attorney. General sessions had various other contacts with c._n._i. During the campaign period on foreign policy matters including russia jared kushner also interacted with signs about russian issues during the campaign. The investigation did not identify evidence events that the campaign past or received any messages to or from the russian government through c._n._i. Or signs rosalind helderman alderman is an investigative reporter for the washington post. She's also an author of the introduction and commentary accompanying. The posts printed edition of the muller report report so dimitri simes is a russian emigre. He moved to the united states. I believe in the nineteen seventies and was a pretty outspoken anticommunist. I communist <hes> dissident living in the u._s. He founded this think tank the they believe that the united states should pursue foreign policy that was pragmatic pragmatic <hes> and <hes> <hes> not necessarily sort of <hes> looking for fights all over the world on behalf of the american ideology <hes> but to be realists and in the context of 2016 russia what that man was not antagonist bodyman putin the c._n._i. Affiliated publication the national interests hosts trump's foreign policy speech at the mayflower hotel signs agrees that c._n._i. Will provide behind the scenes input on the speech. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you and thank you to the center sir for national interest for honoring me with this invitation. It truly is a great honor. It's time to shake the rust off america's foreign policy. It's it's time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold something we have to do. It was actually a little controversial at the time because this was very the star of the time period where people were really noticing. The donald trump was talking about russia in a way that was pretty out of step with the rest of the foreign policy establishment and people notice noticed that sergei kislyak the russian ambassador went to that speech he attended it and he sat in the front row watching candidate trump spoke which was unusual but later it becomes quite controversial because it's kind of the start of these moments where you can see these kind of flickers of interaction between between russia and the campaign the mayflower hotel event becomes a bigger deal later on when sessions is nominated to become the attorney general and it emerges that he shihan kislyak both attended during his confirmation hearings sessions had told the senate that he hadn't met with any russians when sessions was nominated needed to be attorney general he had confirmation hearings of course and in the course of those confirmation hearings he was ask questions about russia and the campaign and if there is any any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign. What will you do senator franken. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two and that campaign and i didn't have not not have communications with the russians and i'm unable to comment on it and then it was very quickly reported by the washing pos actually that <hes> he had he met with kislyak at least twice during the republican national convention when kislyak had attended a speech <hes> that he gave <hes> and then again at this meeting his office in september number two thousand sixteen and in fact they had talked about you know at least fleetingly at least briefly they had talked about the campaigns attitude towards russia and russia's attitude towards the campaign and so this was a big problem for sessions and a few days after it emerged that his congressional testimony had not been accurate <hes> ah announced that he was recusing himself from <hes> investigation into either a campaign might arise whatever investigation that might have been which of course was the russia investigation the fact that kislyak had also been at the mayflower hotel speech adds to the many questions about whether sessions has been truthful about his encounters with kislyak but the mullahs report says nothing dramatic happened the office found no evidence that kislyak conversed with either there trump or sessions after the speech or would have had the opportunity to do so still signs in kushner remain in touch through the rest of the campaign a fact which becomes important immediately after the election but before that there's the republican national convention in july twenty sixteen gene. We're a decision to change r._n._c. Policy platform regarding ukraine generates controversy as well the story behind signed curious change in the republican party platform republican. Donald trump has promised to be a strong president. Get the party platform became less tough on russia in particular it reduced the level of support that would be promised to a government under pressure from russia kislyak also meets with campaign staff around the time of the g._o._p. Upi convention and then republican party platform changes to water down language supporting ukraine and its battle against russian forces in in eastern ukraine. The question is whether kislyak or maybe trump himself is involved in that decision. Why did she saw in the g._o._p. Platform on ukraine. I wasn't involved in honestly yeah. I was not involved in that. I'd like to <hes>. I'd have to take a look at it. I was not involved. You know what they did. They softened it. I heard but i was not involved. They took away the part of the platform calling provisions of lethal weapons to ukraine to defend themselves. So why is that a good idea. Look you know i have my own ideas but the mother report says there's nothing here either trump campaign officials met with russian ambassador editor sergei kislyak during the week of the republican national convention. The evidence indicates that those interactions were brief and non-substantive during platform committee meetings immediately before the convention jay dee gordon a senior campaign adviser on policy and national security diluted ended a proposed amendment to the republican party platform expressing support for providing quote lethal unquote assistance to ukraine in response wants to russian aggression gordon requested that platform committee personnel revise the proposed amendment to state that only quote appropriate unquote unquote assistance be provided to ukraine. Gordon says he sought change on his own because the new language is more consistent with trump's position on in ukraine and the mother report says there's no evidence trump is personally involved. Change still kislyak keeps in touch after the convention with sessions and with gordon when trump was elected president on november eighth twenty sixteen kislyak along with a lot of other russian government emissaries official and unofficial start more aggressive outreach beginning immediately after the election individuals connected to the russian government started contacting contacting officials on the trump campaign and transition team through multiple channels sometimes through russian ambassador kislyak and at other times through individuals vigils who sought reliable contacts through u._s. Persons not formally tied to the campaign or transition team the most senior in your levels of the russian government encouraged these efforts the investigation did not establish that these efforts reflected or constituted coordination between the trump campaign and russia in its election interference activities to fifty a._m. On election night trump takes the stage to clean victory. I've just received a call from secretary clinton within minutes. What's the russians are reaching out at approximately three a._m. On election night trump campaign press secretary hope hicks received received a telephone call on her personal cell phone from a person who sounded foreign but was calling from a number with the d._c. Area code although hick's wchs had a hard time understanding the person she could make out the words quote putin. Call unquote hicks told the caller to send her in email the next day hicks received an email from an official at the russian embassy with the subject line message from putin but hicks ex- isn't sure if the email is real or not here's ross helderman. There's this sort of historical moment. Were on the night of the election or early morning hours. After the election election hope it's gets a phone call on her cell phone from a russian accented man who she can't understand anything he says other than something about putin's call <hes> and she does like very understandably. I think all of us would do at like three in the morning with a strange man calls she says can you email me and so he does he emails <hes> <hes> her from his g mail account which is a little unusual and says that he works for the russian embassy and he'd like to help set up a call between vladimir putin and the incoming president united states and so she sends out the kushner and says like is this. Is this real like. I don't want to be duped but i also don't want to blow off putin. I actually think that was the direct quote from email email. I don't want to be duped but i don't wanna blow off putin and so- kushner sets out to figure out <hes> whether that guy really worked for the embassy and whether he was acting on behalf of the russian government and i guess he's not a reporter and doesn't know that much about google because the thing he does is he goes to dimitri simes and he asks him like what was the name of the russian in basseterre. I don't remember like i need to figure out if this guy works for the embassy. Kushner goes to symes to remind him of kislyak's name those campaign period contacts contacts are suddenly alive once again five days later trump and putin speak by phone this sort of direct outreach however is not the kremlin's game a number of russian individuals working in the private sector began their own efforts to make contact peter oven russian national who heads alpha-bank russia's largest commercial bank described to the office interactions with putin during this time period that might account for the flurry of russian activity of and told the office that he is one of approximately fifty wealthy russian businessman commonly referred to u._s. Oligarchs who regularly meet with putin in the kremlin according to oven although putin did not expressly direct him to reach out to the trump transition position team often understood that putin expected him to try to respond to the concerns he had raised in december two thousand sixteen at a meeting meeting between putin oven and other prominent russian businessmen. The main topic of discussion was the prospect of forthcoming u._s. Economic sanctions actions russia has behaved badly. The americans are angry and putin is worried about sanctions. He wants to begin a dialogue with the incoming administration to head off putting believes the trump administration will be friendlier to russia than any administration in recent u._s. history and he just interfered in an election to help trump. Here's franklin for a writer at the atlantic putin starts to get nervous about his relations with with the new government and he brings in oven. He assembles the rest of the oligarchs and he says i need you guys to do whatever ever you can to get in with the trump people and so they go out they all this to seek out meetings with jared kushner. They start to make enquiries. It's certainly suggestive of the ways in which oligarchs operate on behalf of vladimir putin where they're an extension attention of russian foreign policy. They're not independent entities when they're they're. They're asked to perform very very specific. Tasks asks that come from the top and the consequences of not coming through in those those tasks are such that they the oligarchs feel feel compelled to perform them oven isn't the only one chorale dmitriev heads russians sovereign wealth fund and he's close to putin to he also also develops a sudden interest in meeting with members of the incoming trump administration in the period after the election he recruits a business associate named george originator an american who works for the government of the united arab emirates to make introductions to trump transition officials and this leads to a wild taper of meeting in the seychelles islands nature has been keeping dmitriev abreast of his efforts to develop contacts with the trump campaign during the two thousand sixteen election shen after trump wins dmitriev tells nater he wants to meet with the key people in the trump transition to begin quote rebuilding the relationship in and whatever is a comfortable pace for them and quote those meetings do not develop immediately nater stated that dmitry of continued to press him to set up a meeting with transition officials and was particularly focused on kushner and trump junior here shane harris of the washington post so dmitry of starts using his relationship with this man george nader to try get in with people in the trump campaign nader also knows so he's kind of leaning on nater saying i want to meet with people i want to meet with kushner. I wanna meet with donald trump junior these the people he really wanted to get to to start having a conversation about how we make the relationship better which is the kind of conversations you expect to happen. During the presidential transition they're not conversations expect to be having between you know some wealthy financier manzir that the russian president does and a bunch of people who are not officially a part of the president's transition or just advising. There's no formality to this. It's all very backchannel. Channel neater eventually comes through suggesting a meeting between dmitriev an individual associated with the trump campaign named eric prince nater traveled to new york in early january two thousand seventeen and had lunchtime and dinner meetings with eric prints on january third two thousand seventeen seventeen nader and prince discussed dmitriev nater informed prince that the russians were looking to build a link with the incoming trump administration nation. He told prince that dmitriev had been pushing nater to introduce him to someone from the incoming administration nader suggested said in light of prince's relationship with transition team officials that prints and dmitriev meet to discuss issues of mutual concern. Prince has been many things he's probably most famous as an entrepreneur of sorts <hes> he was the founder and once ran a company called blackwater which is a private security company of some notoriety <hes> but he is <hes> a man of <hes> significant financial means was largely invested in private security with some would call mercenary forces. He is also the brother of the education secretary betsy devos and has a number of close personal relationships to people who worked on the trump campaign and we're close advisers to donald trump to notable. We'll places he shows up one is in the <hes> hunt for hillary clinton's emails by the republican operative peter smith which was the subject of a previous previous episode of the podcast he actually provided technical analysis of e-mails that peter smith was given to find out if they were actually hillary clinton's emails and and the second eh pops up is in interactions that he's having with people in the campaign <hes> and a man named george nader who is close to the royal family of the united arab emirates that leads up to a meeting that eric prince has with a man named curious dmitrov in the seychelles which which is a tiny island in the middle of the indian ocean prince did not have a formal role in the campaign although he offered to host a fundraiser for trump and sent unsolicited policy papers on issues such as foreign policy trade and russian election interference to bannon after the election in prince frequently visited transition offices at trump tower primarily to meet with bannon but on occasion to meet with michael flynn and others prince insist bannon would discuss among other things foreign policy issues and prince's recommendations regarding who should be appointed to fill key national security already positions although prince was not formally affiliated with the transition nader received assurances that the incoming administration considered prints a a trusted associate and thus the seychelles meeting is born prince booked a ticket to the seychelles on january very seven th two thousand seventeen the following day nater wrote to dmitry after he had a pleasant surprise unquote for him namely that that he arranged for dmitriev to meet a quote special guest unquote from the quote new team unquote referring to prince nader asked ask dmitriev if he could come to the seychelles for the meeting on january twelfth two thousand seventeen and dmitriev agreed so ultimately nater nater arranges for a meeting in the seychelles erik prince's going there <hes> and nato calls up dmitriev and says okay. I want you to meet with eric prince. You finally going to have your you know your meeting with the guy who's on the inside and dmitrievna initially a little bit skeptical kind of wondering is eric prince really high up enough in the campaign vein and the guy. I want to meet with nater wrote to dmitriev quote. This guy prints is designated by steve bannon to meet you. I know him and and he is very very well connected and trusted by the new team. His sister is now. A minister of education unquote dmitriev arrived with his wife in the seychelles on january eleventh two thousand seventeen and checked into the four seasons resort where crown prince mohammad and nater were staying prince arrived that same day prince and dmitriev met for the first time that afternoon in nader's villa with nature present. The initial meeting lasted approximately thirty to forty five minutes. It isn't clear exactly what happens at the meeting so do the meeting itself. It's gonna say we don't know a ton of out in the inter interactions between dmitriev in prints that are a detailed in the miller report or actually blacked out. We know a fair amount though about what led up to that meeting that i think sheds light on what was what was going on. This section of the report is heavily redacted but it tells us that the meeting was short and apparently at a fairly high altitude prince describes steve bannon as has effective. If unconventional the topic of russian election interference doesn't come up and prince says he will tell ban and about the meeting and bannon bannon or someone else on the team will follow up if interested in continuing the discussion. They have two meetings. <hes> one is <hes> not long after they arrive it lasts about thirty or forty five minutes much of what they discussed is redacted but i think we can largely infer that it was about a desire to improve relations but then things go south afterwards prince returned to his room where he learned that a russian aircraft carrier had sailed to libya which which led him to call nature and ask him to set up another meeting with dmitriev according to nader prince called and said he had checked with his associates back home and needed to convey to dmitriev that libya was quote off the table unquote when prince tells dmitriev that the u._s. could not accept russian involvement mm-hmm and libya because it will only make the situation worse dmitriev is insulted after the brief second meeting concluded dmitriev told nature that he was disappointed in his meetings with prince for two reasons first he believed the russians needed to be communicating with somebody who had more authority within the incoming administration than prince had second he had hoped to have a discussion of greater substance such as outlining a strategic roadmap would map for both countries to follow dmitri of seem kind of underwhelmed. He was hoping for somebody who had a bit more authority. Within the transition in the upcoming meghan ministration and nature says to him. No this guy is very tight with steve bannon. This is the guy who really wants him to get wants you to meet with him so he's trying to play prince office. Somebody who is more more important than dimitri. Thanks the russians are disappointed for his part prince's excited but back home bannon is unimpressed hours. After the second meeting print sent to text messages to ban from the seychelles. He also told nater that he would inform bannon about his discussion in with dmitry f._m. Would convey that someone within the russian power structure was interested in seeking better relations with the incoming administration prince said that he met bannon bannon's home after returning to the united states and briefed him about several topics including his meeting with dimitrios. According to prince bannon instructed prince not to follow up with dmitry f. and prince had the impression that the issue was not a priority for bannon prince related that bannon did not appear angry just relatively uninterested bannon for his part denies knowing or remembering anything saying about the seychelles beginning at all bannon told the office that he never discussed with prince anything regarding dmitriev or any meetings with russian individuals or people associated with putin bannon also stated that had prince mentioned such a meeting bannon would have remembered it and bannon would've objected to such a meeting having taken place. There are a lot of questions about the seychelles meeting. Starting with wyatt was held through a backchannel on an island in the indian ocean in the first place if the transition wants to open a line of communication with russia about a potential reset relations why not go through the u._s. State state department. What does prince think he's doing when he boards a plane to meet with an envoy to vladimir putin in a remote country i think he understood that at this was a meeting that he was being asked to undertake in his capacity as a transition adviser with a very prominent russian and that what was going on here at least from the point of view of the russians certainly <hes> is some kind of laying the groundwork for foreign policy right that is what transitions are supposed to do to start laying the groundwork work but none of this was happening through any kind of formal or established channel and by the way there was still a president in office who was in charge of russian us relations until january anyway twentieth of two thousand seventeen another question that one might ask is why exactly does a prominent wealthy russian close to putin need to go to a tiny island in the middle of the indian ocean to have a meeting with trump adviser like why can't you do that in a little more overt kind of open setting while the cloak and dagger in prince's prince's not entirely truthful about the episode either so wouldn't eric prints was initially questioned about this meeting so the washington post i back back in april of two thousand seventeen broke the fact at the meeting occurred. He interviewed by the house. Intelligence committee print says and essentially what he says is at this meeting was all just coincidental. Eric prince was in the seychelles <hes> he heard that there was this russian he should meet with they met mishal unplanned all spontaneous and they didn't discuss anything related to <hes> foreign policy or u._s. Strategic relations basically all of that's not true and we know that because prince tells a totally different story the one we've just laid out here about what happened <hes> in the seychelles to muller and his team and that is corroborated by other people who were there so the question becomes why did eric prince feel the need to mislead or not tell the full story or possibly lie about this meeting when he was meeting with house investigators. What was he trying to hide. Muller is also unable to resolve bannon and prince's conflicting accounts about about what bannon knew about the meeting the conflicting accounts provided by bannon and prince could not be independently clarified by reviewing their communications sion's because neither one was able to produce any of the messages they exchanged in the time period surrounding the seychelles meeting. There is meta data indicating that bannon and prince were exchanging text messages during this period but when the investigators to look at their phones the messages are gone so let a very curious signals that <hes> this was perhaps not the most transparent and overt of meetings that happen in the seychelles dmitriev isn't just relying on nature. He has other irons in the fire in late november. Remember the u._a._e. National security advisor introduces him to rick gerson a hedge fund manager in new york who's friends with jared jared kushner when dmitriev and gerson met they principally discussed potential joint ventures between gerson hedge fund and the russian investment fund and dmitriev was interested in improved economic cooperation between the united states and russia and asked gerson who he should meet with in in the incoming administration who would be helpful towards this goal gerson said he would ask kushner and michael flynn who the quote key person or people bull unquote were on the topics of reconciliation with russia joint security concerns and economic matters shortly before the inauguration occupation dmitriev writes a brief outline of ideas for a new russia u._s. relationship and gives it to garson gerson gives it to kushner kushner who gives it to bannon and to rex tillerson who's about to become the secretary of state. He actually ends up kind of giving gerson in this sort of road map for future relationships between the united states and russia and tells gerson that this is coming from putin. That's what putin wants and gerson passes along jared kushner. <hes> and there's you know there's sort of ample evidence. That dmitriev was at least claiming that this was coming from the very highest levels of the russian government. You know putin himself you know down to he at one point tells kushner or that he knows the putin and trump are gonna gonna be speaking and putin wants to know that his document has been red before they before they speak <hes> so jared kushner guest document and apparently there's evidence that he circulated it around <hes> you know he gives it to bannon and gives it to rex tillerson. Who's the incoming <hes> <hes> secretary of state there are other meetings things between trump associates and the russians during the transition as well jared kushner and michael flynn meet with kislyak trump tower new york on november thirtieth twenty sixteen ecksteen at the half hour meeting kushner says he wants to quote start afresh in u._s. Russia relations and he asks for a more direct line to putin <hes> the three men also discussed u._s. Policy toward syria and kislyak floated the idea of having russian generals briefed the transition team on the topic <unk> using secure communications line after flynn explained that there was no secure line in the transition team offices kushner asked kislyak xlii act if they could communicate using secure facilities at the russian embassy kislyak quickly rejected that idea the president-elect's president-elect son-in-law representing his presidential transition asks the ambassador of the russian federation if the transition might use russian communications commitment for briefings from russian generals so they're talking about syria. They're talking about the possibility of getting some kind of briefing from russian generals about what's going on in syria and <hes> i guess jared kushner or someone thinks this needs to be a secure conversation and they note that they don't have the ability to have secure communications <hes> in the transition frankly. That's probably not true. The state department probably could have helped them with that kind of thing if they were actually working with the state department comment <hes> but they weren't no one knows how you do such things and sew kushner makes this rather like extraordinary proposal that maybe they could use the russians secure communications. Maybe trump people could go. I guess to the russian embassy and use their communications devices to talk to the russian generals <hes> and apparently even kislyak was like <hes> no that does not sound like a good idea to me and that did not happen the president trump personally defending his senior senior adviser and son-in-law jared kushner. All the administration officials say that even have kushner did try to establish a secret back channel with the kremlin that it's not that big a deal. I mean it's an insane idea. You have like u._s. Officials who are about to be the most powerful officials in the american government like turning turning themselves over basically to adverse foreign power and you know it could be used against them in the future <hes> <hes> they manipulate the recording if they wanted to <hes> and it's also just like just not done. I mean imagine if it had come out that they like went into the russian embassy because they didn't trust american communications and they didn't know how to use american communications like there are even more meetings outreach pedder oven. The banker sought to connect with the transition through dimitri simes and a former u._s. Diplomat carter page has been fired by the trump campaign but following the election when he shows up in moscow intimating he speaks for the trump team and again communicates with the russian deputy prime minister jared kushner also meets sergei gorkov. The head of a russian government owned bank called v._p. The bank and kushner offer conflicting accounts of the purpose of that meeting the abi claims. It's a real estate business meeting. While kushner says it is for diplomatic purposes muller does not resolve the conflicting accounts but does snowed. There's only limited follow up that would be concerning if the russians were dangling some kind of investment to help jared kushner's business. I mean you know a put aside. The issue of the russians that's just ranked corruption right to you know basic bribery law basic quid pro quo to offer governmental official shaw a private investment in exchange for policy outcome. <hes> you want <hes>. That's gross no matter who does it. <hes> if it's russia doing it in particular for <hes> you know then you have the issue of like steering u._s. policy in favor of a adverse hostile foreign power for personal business reasons and it also creates a powerful compromise situation <hes> where jared kushner could potentially be blackmailed that he entertained this this corrupt bargain but again you know more apparently did not find evidence that that's what happened at that meeting so hopefully it's not the name is jared kushner. I am senior adviser to president donald j trump. Let me be very clear. I did not collude with russia shaw nor do i know of anyone else in the campaign who did so i had no improper contacts and i have been fully transparent in providing hiding all requested information. Donald trump had a better message and ran a smarter campaign and that is why he won all of this brings us to michael flynn and his contacts with sergei kislyak in the final days of twenty me sixteen here shane harris again on how flynn came to be selected as trump's national security adviser michael flynn was regarded as i think still is regarded as one of the more brilliant tactical military intelligence officers of his generation russian. It was during the era of the conflict in iraq and when the conflict afganistan was going much hotter than it is now that flynn sort of became became known for this brilliance of being able to develop intelligence based plans key is appointed to be the director of the defense intelligence allegiance agency but then it turned out that his his kind of tactical brilliance on the field did not translate to strategic or managerial competence running a very very big multibillion dollar intelligence agency and he very famously flamed out as the director of the d._i._a. Ultimately pushed out by the president he he became a very prominent critic of the administration but along comes donald trump and donald trump after he announces for president in the summer of twenty t- fifteen continues. I think it's safe to say kind of a line of critique and attack that he's had on the obama administration of being weak on terror blind to the the threat of radical islam not even using the words radical islam. Mike flynn was totally simpatico with that incoming national security adviser michael google flynn was the transition team's primary conduit for communications with the russian ambassador and dealt with russia on too sensitive matters during the transition period united nations security council vote and the russian government's reaction to the united states is imposition of sanctions for russian interference in the two two thousand sixteen election. The first of these sensitive matters involve israel and settlement activity. Here's scott anderson of law fair and the brookings institution in mid to late. December word gets out that egypt has actually introduced a draft strictly and draft u._n. Security council resolution that that condemns israeli settlement activity and this is a pretty notable development <hes> in terms of these sorts of resolutions the u._n. Security council actually hadn't really enacted any sort of resolution addressing settlement activity since the nineteen eighties really because the united states had consistently vetoed them the security council which includes russia was scheduled to vote on the resolution the following day there was speculation in the media that the obama administration would not oppose the resolution lucien then the trump team gets involved according to flynn the transition team regarded the vote as a significant issue and wanted to support support israel by opposing the resolution on december twenty second two thousand sixteen multiple members of the transition team as well as president-elect trump trump communicated with foreign government officials to determine their views on the resolution and to rally support to delay the vote or defeat the resolution michael flynn the future national security advisor is responsible for reaching out to russia and reaches out to again his contacts kislyak of the russian ambassador bathroom the united states to say <hes> you know we urge you to try and find a way to delay this resolution. Don't bring it up for a vote. <hes> we breaking fairly clear that they oppose the the resolution from the perspective of the incoming trump administration and otherwise finding ways to prevent the security council resolution from actually reaching the floor and being forced forced into a vote separately. It's worth noting president. Trump reportedly reached out to the egyptian president sisi <hes> and who actually succeeded in persuading him to delay of vote on the resolution but a similar resolution was introduced by other states <hes> and that was the one that ultimately made it forward to the floor russia could veto the resolution as easily the united states good <hes> but russia's made clear to flynn and communication through kislyak later that they would not oppose the resolution if it were brought to the floor. Why does it matter if the trump transition is engaged with foreign leaders on a u._n. Security council vote because of the principle that the united states has only one government at a time trump has has been elected but he isn't president yet and his transition is actively undermining the policies of the u._s. Government that is still in power. It is strange <hes> to say the least <hes> you know there's been kind of a tradition about transition governments <hes> in the united states at least to say you know we recognize that the current government in place is the government for the united states and we're not going to step in and start reversing things until there is the official transition at the inauguration the obama administration in two thousand late two thousand eight early two thousand nine when transitioning with the bush administration was very notable about that they were very explicit saying while we have major foreign policy disagreements with the bush administration president bush is still the president until january twentieth until inauguration day <hes> so this is a departure from that sort of norm certainly about this conscious and proactive effort to kind of i've respond to or shape foreign relations and there's another problem as well when flynn is interviewed about all of this by the f._b._i. He lies to federal investigators. Flynn made false statements about the calls he had previously made to representatives of russia and other their countries regarding a resolution submitted by egypt to the united nations security council on december twenty first two thousand sixteen specifically flynn stated that he had only asked the country's position on how they would vote on the resolution and that he did not request that any of the countries take any particular action that statement was false in reality flynn has called kislyak has told him the trump transition opposes the resolution solution and as requested the russians voted against or delay the resolution but flynn engages in an even more faithful exchange with kislyak during the transition flint speaks to the russian ambassador later in december when the obama administration announces sanctions and other measures on russia on december twenty eighth with two thousand sixteen then president obama signed an executive order which took effect at twelve o one a._m. The next day and imposed sanctions on nine russian russian individuals and entities on december twenty ninth two thousand sixteen the obama administration also expelled thirty five russian government officials ios and close to russian government owned compounds in the united states. Ellen nakashima is a journalist with the washington post. So the there was a basket of of measures that the obama administration <hes> took on on december twenty ninth they announced announced economic sanctions on to russian intelligence agencies the g._r._u. and the f._s._p. The gre you being those military terry intelligence <hes> spicer virus and the f._s._b.'s the internal security service a successor agency to the k._g._b. As well as <hes> sanctions on four g._r._u. officers who were involved in the cyber her <hes> hacking and interference in the two thousand sixteen election the these actions were all part of a response to both these hacking interference appearance and the election and the pattern of harassment that russia had taken against u._s. Officials in the preceding year there had been a big debate during during the summer and into the fall over weather and how to respond to russia's provocations <hes> but they in fact did not take action until until after the election december twenty nine of twenty sixteen and the besides the economic sanctions they <hes> expelled thirty five russian intelligence operatives and they closed to russian compounds one on the eastern shore of maryland and went up in long island both of which were suspected did of of being used for surveillance purposes by the russians at the time the sanctions are announced trump and the leaders of his transition team mm-hmm including future deputy national security adviser k._t. Mcfarland are at mar-a-lago flynn is on vacation in the dominican republic but is in touch with mcfarland daily. The transition team and president-elect trump were concerned that these sanctions would harm the united states is relationship ship with russia. Although the details and timing of sanctions were unknown on december twenty eighth two thousand sixteen the media began reporting that retaliatory sorry measures from the obama administration against russia were forthcoming when asked about imposing sanctions on russia for its alleged interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election president-elect trump told the media quote. I think we ought to get on with our lives. Unquote on december twenty ninth win the obama administration announced the sanctions they imposing against russia for its interference in the two thousand sixteen election that was something that <hes> kislyak wanted to talk to flint about in fact there had had been <hes> indications that the sanctions were coming when it became clear that the sanctions were pending kislyak texted or got untouched with flynn. Thank you wanted to talk to him. Russia initiated the outreach to the transition team on the evening of december twenty twenty eight. Th two thousand sixteen kislyak texted flynn quote. Can you kindly call me back at your convenience. Unquote flynn did not respond to the text message message that evening. Someone from the russian embassy also called flynn the next morning at ten thirty eight a._m. But they did not talk but then the obama administration actually announces the sanctions on the twenty ninth after the same day but after the sanctions had been announced flynn took a call from kislyak he was at the beach resort. He took a call from kislyak and these spoke at mar a lago. The transition team consults on what flynn should say to the russian ambassador mcfarland believed she told bannon that flynn was scheduled to talk to kislyak later that at night mcfarland also believed she may have discussed the sanctions with priebus and likewise told him that flynn was scheduled to talk to kislyak the act that night at three fourteen pm flynn texted a transition team member who was assisting mcfarland quote time for a call unquote he later texted tit for tat with russia not good russian ambro reaching out to me today unquote. It's also clear that they discussed the message edge to be sent to the russians mcfarland and flynn also discussed that transition team members in mar-a-lago did not want russia to escalate the situation and they both understood that flynn would relate a message to kislyak immediately after speaking with mcfarland flynn called and spoke with kislyak with respect affect the sanctions flynn requested that russia not escalate the situation knock get into a quote tit for tat unquote and only respond to the sanctions actions in a reciprocal manner. There's no doubt that the transition team knows that the time that flynn is talking to kislyak. It's less clear if trump himself knows what's going on but it seems more likely than not mcfarland emailed transition team members that flynn is quote talking to russian combat later this evening on quote less than an hour later mcfarland briefed president elect trump bannon priebus sean spicer and other transition team members were present mcfarland recalled that at the end of the meeting someone may have mentioned to president-elect trump that flynn flynn was speaking to the russian ambassador that evening flynn and speaks to kislyak and reports back after the briefing flynn and mcfarland spoke over the phone own flynn reported on the substance of his call with kislyak including their discussion of the sanctions according to mcfarland flynn mentioned that the russian response to the sanctions was not going to be escalatory because they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration mcfarland also gave flynn a summary of her recent briefing with president-elect trump the day after the phone call on december thirtieth the russian foreign minister announces that russia will will respond to the sanctions but then the russians suddenly reverse course putin releases a statement that the russians won't be retaliating at all hours later president elect trump tweeted great move on delay by v putin on quote on december thirty i two thousand sixteen kislyak called flynn and told him the request had been received the highest levels and that russia had chosen not to retaliate to the sanctions in in response to the request two hours later flynn spoke with mcfarland and relayed his conversation with kislyak according to mcfarland flynn remarked that the russians wanted a better relationship and that the relationship was back on track flynn also told mcfarland that he believed. I believe his phone call had made the difference tonight. President-elect donald trump is out with new praise for vladimir putin applauding the russian president for withholding retaliatory sanctions on the u._s. The former director of national intelligence general james clapper clapper says in an interview that at the time he was puzzled by the lack of response well <hes> having watched <hes> the soviets and the russians for much of my professional life i i as others did found out <hes> strange that they didn't retaliate and when when when you heard about the intelligence that we had about the conversation between michael flynn general flynn and <hes> kislyak <hes> what did you take from that <hes> without going into the source of the information renew about everything but it would appear that would explain <hes> the non reaction shen on the part of the russians that response which incoming president president-elect trump <hes> praised on twitter. He said i always new putin was a smart man that response was red flag to to intelligence officials and they started to grueling some suspicious started start to analyze intercepts and reports cables that they had and that's when they turned up the call that that flynn and kislyak had had on the twenty ninth when the <hes> justice department f._b._i. Solve the content of that. They grew concerned -cerned that perhaps <hes> mike flynn in discussing the sanctions with kislyak might be in violation relation of <hes> of law called logan act. It's an it's actually a seventeen ninety nine law that has never been prosecuted <hes> and it bans u._s. Citizens from intervening in foreign disputes with other <hes> countries and by raising the issue of sanctions with kislyak in a way that might undermine the the policy of the obama administration insulation flynn might well be in violation of this of this law. The question of whether this actually poses the legal problem under the logan act isn't isn't clear. It's a complicated law and there's a reason it's been very rarely used in the past but legal problem or not this looks very bad for the trump transition in team which is carrying out independent foreign policy and working against the obama team which is trying to hold russia accountable for election interference and so when flynn's call becomes public the trump team wise the fact of the call became public in on on january twelfth of the new year twenty seventeen when david ignatius columnist for the washington post reported on that phone call and he he wondered he raised the question in his in his column about whether sanctions had been discussed on that call at all and whether or or not was there any discussion of it was there any undermining of the sanctions that prompted denials from the incoming administration sean spicer's knew there had been no discussion of sanctions whatsoever and so when the washington post reported on the kislyak conversation they deny it. Sean spicer denies it. I talked to general flynn about again last night. One call talks about four subjects. One was was the loss of life that occurred in the plane crash that took their military choir to was christmas and holiday greetings three was to facility or talk about a conference in syria and isis and four was to set up a to talk about after the inauguration setting up a call between president putin and president president trump. Mike pence denies it. They did not discuss anything having to do with <hes> the united states decision to expel diplomats. That's or or <hes> an impose a century against russia so did they ever have a conversation about sanctions ever on those days or any other day that they did not have a discussion contemporaneous <hes> <hes> with a u._s. action and in his interview with the f._b._i. Shortly after he takes office as national security adviser michael flynn denies it two flynn told agents that he did not ask kislyak to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the united states is imposition of sanctions. That statement was false. Flynn also falsely told the f._b._i. That he did not remember a follow up conversation in which kislyak stated that russia had had chosen to moderate its response to the u._s. Sanctions as a result of flynn's request sergei kislyak being a a foreign diplomat in the united states. <hes> has his calls routinely intercepted wiretapped units. It's well known diplomats know that their calls are are tapped apt and mike flynn as a former veteran intelligence officer a should have known likely did no you know the these calls were intercepted opted or tapped in any case <hes> they came up with the intelligence officers and agencies came up with the with the call they they knew you what the content was and <hes> the f._b._i. Pass this on to senior officials at the justice department something something really odd about michael flynn in all of this <hes> i think the the the investigators who interviewed him even noted it it <hes> they were struck by how in the interview with flynn he he just flat out denied that he had ever discussed sanctions when they knew he had they had seen the the transcripts of the of the conversation. These these are veteran f._b._i. Agents done many many interviews like this and they were really stunned by to the point where things they thought was. There's something something quite not right with him that he could bligh like that so plane so easily on february thirteenth twenty seventeen michael flynn resigns as national security adviser king news donald trump's national security adviser michael flynn has resigned tonight just one month into his tenure amid growing concerns about his contact with the russian ambassador and whether he misled vice president pence about whether sanctions against russia were discussed from the period before the convention and straight through trump's inauguration russian officials are reaching out trying to translate trump's friendly tone towards putin into advantageous official policy. She is the russians doing directly at public events and through back channels in remote places. They're doing it through russian oligarchs and businessmen <music> as well as the russian ambassador who seems to be everywhere and the russians are doing this knowing full well. They've just intervened in an election on trump's behalf and that trump and his people know at two and trump is reciprocating. It takes two after all to meet it takes two to to set up backchannel altogether. It's quite a picture social media manipulation hacking and dumping the apparent targetting of campaign connected figures for engagement efforts to engage the campaign and the transition itself in hopes of resetting u._s. russia relations and then and there are the great many lies about at all but which parts of any of this actually violate the law. That's next time on the report and thank you for listening to part six of the report. This podcast is the main possible by the generous support of the william and flora hewlett foundation and the democracy fund and by listeners like you to support this project. Please go to a law fair blog dot com. The report is a production of law fair and goat rodeo in washington d._c. In enwright is the executive producer the law fair team. 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Michael Wolff on Trump Under Siege

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Michael Wolff on Trump Under Siege

"This is kick ass news. I'm Ben Mathis. Today's episode is brought to you by Kronos. Kronos, provides HR solutions for the modern workforce, and the people who support motivate and engage them, they put HR payroll talent and timekeeping on a single cloud based platform. Learn more about Kronos, HR payroll talent and time at Kronos dot com slash HR swagger. That's Cronos dot com slash HR swagger. And now enjoy the show. Hi, I'm Ben Mathis, welcome to kick ass news last year. Michael wolf's book, fire and fury skyrocketed, to number one on the New York Times bestseller list with its account of palace intrigues inside the Trump administration and shocking details of the president's pettiness, lack of ethics and at times outright. Hapless buffoonery now, Mike, a wolf follows it up with his latest book, siege, Trump underfire, an equally explosive book about the presidency that is under attack from almost every side beginning, just as Trump's second year as president is getting underway and ending with the delivery of the mother report siege reveals an administration that is perpetually beleaguered by investigations and a president who is increasingly volatile erratic and exposed. And today, Michael Wolff joins me on the podcast to talk about the book and how he got so many of his original sources to talk to him again. Even. After President Trump threatened to prosecute leakers. We talk about how Robert Muller, carefully strategized and gamed out every step of the Russia probe, how his team delicately avoided provoking Trump into shutting down the investigation, and whether or not mother may have actually drafted an indictment of Donald Trump. He shares how Jared Kushner's suspicious dealings with shady, foreign investors. Jeopardized his White House security clearance. How he sought the counsel of Henry Kissinger, and his effort to install himself as secretary of state and how Jared and Ivanka see the current administration as their own stepping stone to the presidency. Michael offers juicy insights into Trump's troubled history with women how Trump's owned boasting, true or not led to rumors of an affair in the White House and how Trump's inner circle lives in constant fear of the day when the metoo movement will inevitably catch up to the president. He shed some light on Donald and Milania marriage of convenience. Malania. Mysterious week long hospital, stay and rumors of security camera footage of Donald striking his wife in a hotel elevator. He reveals how Senator Mitch McConnell got the upper hand on the president. Why Steve Bannon still holds out hope that Trump will bring him back into the fold. And the real reason Nikki Haley resigned as embassador to the UN, plus how Trump started a family feud at Fox News, more evidence that Trump is just plain bat shit crazy. And I asked him the question burning on everyone's mind. Why is Donald Trump just so damn weird? Coming up with Michael wolf in just a moment. Nyquil wolf is the author of fire and fury, the number one bestseller, that for the first time told the inside story of the Trump White House. He's received numerous awards for his work, including two national magazine awards, the author of seven previous books. He's been a regular columnist for Vanity Fair, New York. The Hollywood reporter British G Q and other magazines and newspapers. Now, he's following up his bestseller fire and fury with an equally revealing portrait of Trump's second year in office. It's titled siege. Trump underfire, Michael Wolff, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. Well, Michael, I think you say that you have a hundred and fifty sources for siege, how many of those were repeat customers from fire and fury up anywhere? I mean, that's really the origin of this of this second book, is that after the first book everybody kept speaking to me. So it was a a natural. Segue. The story went on and in the people talking about the story continued to talk. So here I am lemme ask you this Michael, how did you get so many of these Trump insiders to talk again, especially after Trump threaten to prosecute any leakers. Aren't they afraid? Well, you know, most of the people who, who have spoken to me, actually are out of the White House. Now, in fact, most of the people who matter of fact, the White House is practically speaking empty now. So the first wave of Trump insiders was left the White House. And now the second wave of Trump insiders has has left the White House, so which leaves everybody free to, to talk, and talk, and frankly to talk. So I mean, I think one of the things about about being associated with this White House, is that you remain. Not only wrapped up in the story, but ever trying to understand the story one of the people who participated in both books, and has been pretty open about it was Steve Bannon. He plays really an outsized role in this book and seems to have as good of an understanding of how things work in the Trump White House, is anyone what's your relationship with Steve Bannon, like, well, we have a good relationship, and we've spent a lot of time talking about about about this subject. I mean, I think Steve spends all of his time, talking about about this subject. And, you know, I have a of all of the people who have been around Trump associated with Trump over the last three years, I, I continue to find Steve Bannon certainly among the most the most insightful people, and in a way that the most among the bravest because he's certainly willing to put his name to what he says. Is a yen. It's interesting that a guy who's been outside of the Trump administration for what something around a year. Now of all the people, he seems to have probably a more accurate sense of what's going on. And who Trump is than probably anyone who still in Trump's inner circle, why does he have such access? How does he know these thing? Well, I, I think I think I'm to be outside. It's a weird kind of kind of outside nece because both Trump and Bannon remain focused on each other Bannon has considerable clout within the White House because he carries the 'ideological flags. So, so the real pillars of, of Trump ISM the immigration initiatives, the, the, the, the China issue. This is all Steve Bannon. I mean, it's, it's somewhat Trump to but Trump. Can one is prone to wandering off topic here and, and Bannon is one of the people pulling the levers who keeps him resolutely on topic. Yeah. There seemed to be a number of people on the outside who maintain their ties to the White House in some cases in spite of having left on bad terms. Is it a little bit like the godfather, you know, just when you think you're out, they pull you back in? Well, I think it's partly that and then I think it's partly this, this, this kind of co dependence, nobody exists without the White House. This is, you know, certainly, certainly Bannon, as a prime example, has become an a in a significant voice in the world, because of Donald Trump, as strangely Donald Trump doesn't exist without those people either, you know, again, again, to ban Donald Trump becomes the president United States because of. Steve bannon. There's really no other Steve really remains the, the crucial piece of the puzzle there. And so, so they, they go back and forth. They, they love each other. They hate each other. They're attracted to each other, they're repelled by each other. It's a it's a totally fascinating. And, and pretty naked personal drama, you have some interesting insights into the Trump Bannon relationship. In fact, you say Trump's misfortune has always been Bannon's opportunity. Can you give some examples of that? Well, I, I think you know, abandoned went into the campaign in, in, in August two thousand sixteen Trump was down by a sp- seventeen I some like fifteen to twenty points down. You know, the campaign was basically on life support if that the. The, you know, the, the Republican party was about to cut cut cut the campaign, loose Bannon came in righted, the ship had a strategy for for how they could thread the needle and in fact win. And that's and that's what happened. And right now, I would I would say that it is on both of their minds whether to whether whether Bannon becomes involved with the with the twenty twenty campaign. Let's hardly simple because because Trump can can can barely abide the idea that, that, that he might again, be in the position where people go around and say he owes his presidency to Steve Bannon in Steve Bannon can barely abide. The possibility of having a work again for Donald Trump. A man among for, for all other beyond all other issues man, who is extremely unpleasant to work for Bannon's. Hardly the only person around the president who has an agenda parts of this book read a lot like game of thrones, another one of these people as Mitch McConnell. How did he manipulate the midterm elections to give him maximum leverage over the president? Well from, you know, well more than a year ago McConnell started to say to people at the house was lost. And they should, and this is basically to donors. They should right off the house. The house race and put all their money into the Senate if they could help hold the Senate. They would hold the Senate, especially if they had if they had the resources. And that's what happened in that, you know, in a pretty particular way makes Mitch McConnell. The king-maker. The, the president of the United States, exists now because the Senate is his bulwark against. Against impeachment and the and the investigations in the house of representatives. That means Mitch McConnell is basically the man in the cappers seat. Now, I have to ask about the key event of the second year in the Trump presidency the Muller investigation, you describe Muller as sort of a hamlet figure whose fatal flaw may have been that he's too careful or to fair. Can you expand on that there, there is a Steve Bannon in the in the in the book? At one point says this is after the Muller report comes out. He says, never send them marine to do a hitman job. And, and I think what that what that means is that in the in the in the ultimate analysis, Robert Muller, who, who many anti-trump people had vested, a kind of heroes or. Era around turned out to be a man much more interested in protecting the institutions. In my own theory here. And, and, you know, I have some I have a set of, of, of, of documents which shed some light on what was going on in the in the Muller investigation over the less last last two years. And, but my own theory in, in, in reading these these these documents is that is that Muller made the decision that, that he stood between between a president, who, if he confronted him directly would provoke a the mother of all constitutional crises. And so, I think he proceeded in a in a in, you know, you could call it a, a half set of halfway measures or a significantly more uncon- frontier manner, and in. In the end they produced a report, which is damning to the president. But in fact, at let's at least at this point seems to let the president survive, you know, I've I run through this in my mind thinking, what would what would happen if it was if it were someone else, and I kind of played the scenario out what would happen if in a kind of parallel universe. It had been somebody like Rudy Giuliani who, who was the special prosecutor and in, in, in that instance, I would say certainly a Rudy Giuliani type would have indicted that son of a bitch will since you brought him up when Trump brought Giuliani on his legal team. You say that everyone in the administration thought that he was drunk, or he had dementia, or he was nuts, every time he went on Fox News in, including including, including the president would often often point out that Rudy is losing. Yeah. But you also say that his craziness worked from a PR standpoint is Rudy crazy or is he crazy like a FOX it, you know, I think that's the question about many people in this in this administration. And I tend to think. I tend to think they're just crazy. But just because you're just crazy doesn't mean that craziness can't work for you. And I and I think that was one of the other things about about Muller and how he responded to this Muller is a conventional guy a straight shooter. It's all, he, he, he plays plays by the book and suddenly, you're confronted with these guys who respond incompletely unconventional ways. Crazy ways. You're, you're it's, it's, it's, it's an ace symmetry that I think profoundly confuses anybody who's used to working within the within the, the, the guidelines of established the established process. And now you've made the claim in this book that Muller had a draft indictment drawn up against Trump for obstruction. A recently a mother spoke. Folks, 'person put out a statement saying that your characterization was inaccurate DEA still stand by that. We at Lowell. Let me let me say they the Muller, people said the doc, I think there's exact statement was the documents as described do not exist. So to me, that's an old fashioned non denial denial. And so I've gone around trying to precisely explain the thing that, that I have which demonstrably exists, it's, it's, it's in my hands, but what I have is a is of is of a fifty six page memorandum, and it assumes that the president has been indicted and further assumes that the that the president has gone into court and asked for that indictment to be dismissed on the grounds that you can't indict a sitting. President the document the fifty six page document. I have is in response to, to the president's motion, and it has it's comprised of two parts the first part of about twenty pages. Recaps all of the specifics of three count indictment. And that's what I refer to as the draft indictment. The second part of this memorandum is a very powerful argument about why the special counsel, Ken in fact, indict a sitting president and one thing that you say, is that Muller was constantly strategizing in trying to prepare for all possible outcomes, which can be sort of hard since the president is just so erotic. Is it possible that this was just an option? He wanted to keep in his pocket, if worst came to worst. Or do you think he seriously was weighing? It. I I'm sure I'm sure it was obviously, obviously he, he. Was not. They did not indict the president. So, but, you know this this, you know, the, the Muller investigation, which has run for two years. And you know happened, you know within this incredible cone of silence. So we don't know what happened there. But it did go on for two years. So something must have happened. And I think it would be pretty much inconceivable that they did not consider the terms of a possible indictment in did not debate. They're they're in there. In fact, right to indict the president. So I'm I you know, I think my my sources impeccable here and I'm going to absolutely stand by the fact that, that, that what I'm offering here is, is the is a window in a way the first window into into what was going on behind those doors for the past two years. This. Also seems indicative of the kind of gamesmanship that went into the Mueller investigation from how could they possibly keep the investigation going without provoking Trump to shut it down to weighing whether they should ask Brett Cavanaugh to recuse himself if an indictment went to the supreme court, it seems like the Muller team had to always be one step ahead of the president. Well, I think one of the things that I that I that I also have a set of, of, of research documents and, and the these, these documents are all about the, the, the vulnerabilities of the special counsel's office and the conclusion when you when you read these these documents and they really ask a set of very specific questions, can the president himself, fire the special counsel, answer, yes, what happens to the work product if the if the invest. Education is closed down answer. No one knows. But it is quite possible, that all of the work product could be shredded. It goes on with these these kinds of questions. And, and what you what you learn after after reading these these this substantial research is that the, the special counsel is really in a very fragile construct. They could they could have been closed down at, at any point at any time, and I think one of their goals became not just to, to pursue a case against the president, but, but as much not to be shutdown not to provoke that constitutional crisis along the way. And I mentioned that the mother team was thinking, so far ahead that they were considering whether to ask Brett Cavanaugh to recused himself, if this went to the supreme. In court, and I wanna ask you about cavenaugh did Trump's estimation of his supreme court nominee, Wayne, as the confirmation hearings drug on there's a lot in this book. That's actually quite funny. It's sort of gallows humor but it's, it's funny and, and there's, there's a scene, not long after after Cavanaugh is nominated that somebody in several people have speculated that it's was probably Trump sister of a retired federal judge this, this person tells tells Trump, that there are no Protestants on the supreme court in this is dumb founding to the president. And, and then he suddenly gets gets the idea that, that, that Brett Cavanaugh is part of a part of a Catholic cabal to, to pack the core. And, and then over. Rule ro ro v. Wade. Now, this is all kind of screwy because remember, Trump is theoretically, a, an antiabortion president, of course, of course, many years in the years before he ran for president. He was quite pro abortion. So at this moment in it, it suddenly found him coming back to that point of view, then everybody has to rush in and kind of remind him of what his of what his, his, his position is. And then wh during the when during the Cavanaugh the controversy in in which Cavanaugh was trying to defend himself in Trump felt that he was doing a terrible job and was coming off as quite a week lane. Then, then, then Trump got on the phone to people and said and said that, that, that he thought Cavanaugh was probably abused by priests. As I say, this gallows humor. Yeah. 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Like the way he looks at him and, and calling him a religious nut. And in this, this sort of follows a Trump pattern. You know when when, when people pay him, you know seem like sycophants of around him. He, he, he's, he's sort of he nearly always expresses their his contempt for them. And so, you know, there's a lot of people have speculated that he doesn't like the vice president because because he somehow somehow seize the vice president as, as plotting against him or waiting for his downfall to step up. But, but I think the real reason goes to this fact that he that he fundamentally. Feels the vice president is, is, is, is, again, a kind of a weakling in, even though you say that Mike Pence might not be planning against him. It sounds like his wife, Karen Pence has been quietly strategizing, behind the scenes, well, you know, in the White House, MRs Pence is is called mother by everyone. This is not this not said with affection. So she's kind of regarded as the power behind the, the, the vice presidential thrown as it were in about her, too. I think Trump at one point says says that she, you know, she gives me the creeps and she was behind the plotting when, when Trump nominated the, the white has Dr Ronnie Jackson to be the. Head of veterans affairs, and that was a weird White House story because he had been the doctrine, the White House, and then MRs Pence had gone to see him for, for a complaint guy, a gynecological problem. And then, and then, and then Dr Jackson sort of gossiped about this, and that got back to, to MRs Pence to mother. And, and she really led the, the campaign to, to derail his, his nomination to the head of veterans affairs in Trump's reaction depends slavish devotion to him as a good example of how Trump demands total servitude from his inner circle, and then once he gets it. He seems to become repulsed by their spinelessness, and Bannon actually get sort of philosophical on this point, and has an interesting theory that I think, probably says more. About Trump than anything. Do you know what I'm talking about? Could you explain that? Yeah. I mean he says, you know, basically says that Trump hates himself so much that, that, that, that he gets. He sees immediately through anybody who is who is syncophantic and slash toward him. Yes. So basically he has no respect for anyone who can't see through him. Yeah. No. There's a there's a kind of a funny bid about Sean Hannity, who, who is Sakib person in this White House, spends an enormous amount of time talking talking to Trump. But yet here again, you know, then Trump starts to starts to bad mouth Hannity because because he's giving him too much attention. Yet, and I wanna ask you about Hannity and Fox News to what degree do you think Trump is damaged the FOX brand and might have even been the reason for some of the rumors of a rift between Rupert? Murdoch and his sons, you know, I think it's a really interesting thing. That's that's happened there. Roger Ailes use the, the, the former head of the founder and former head of Fox News, you know, would always caution against giving even a Republican president, the, the, the ability to call the shots at the network. You know the network. He was always very clear. The network was was was calling the shots and dammit, the, the Republican president, a Republican president could fall in behind behind FOX, but not the other way around. And that's in the in in. That's really what's what's happened here. I mean, after Ailes ails, left after Trump was was elected you suddenly, you suddenly have a network, where Trump is literally calling the shots. He is the in, in some, some not too subtle way. He's communicating directly with the FOX control booth. Now, one of the marvels of this administration is how much diplomatic heavy lifting has been given to have all people Jared Kushner, who came to this job with no foreign policy experience. Does Jared see himself as a future secretary of state? Yeah. Well, he's they've he and his father in law have have discussed that on on at least several occasions, if not more, and it's, it's, it's extraordinary. I mean, essentially a Jared Kushner is involved on a daily basis talking to an ago sheeting with people in parts of the world, particularly the middle Middle East who he can. He will no doubt he no doubt counts on and will in the future return return to to finance his, his his businesses. We are ready. Are financing his businesses? I, I mean, I can't think of an example a more overt example of a of a of a compromise government in this. And do you think that it's his financial dealings that kept him from getting a security clearance? I think that there's that there's a lot of things one of the things I stories, I recount in the book is that is that Kushner was investigated investigated because he was accused of breaking and entering someone's apartment. And this was, this is a kind of a baroque story, you know, he has a Kushner has a kind of Lieutenant the guy who ran his newspaper in New York, who was in who had a very bad marital break-up, and his wife gave some information about this about about this break-up to her best friend. Who was a doctor at Mount Sinai hospital and in better times, this Jared's friends has gotten Jared to give this get this woman in apartment in one of the Trump buildings and she later accused Jared of using a pass key to come into her apartment to look for this incriminating information that he that, that might be in her possession, does the Kushner company come close to rivalling, the Trump organization for murky, foreign investors. Yeah, of course, in, you know, in it's not it's not exceptional. They're both sort of, you know, sea level real estate companies, and they all depend both, both the, the Trump organization, and the, in the Kushner, companies, they depend on, on their ability to get financing and financing. It's it's often hard. I mean. Often you have to go from. You know, you start you start wanting blue chip financing and then you start to go down the road. And, and you find yourself often well in the Middle East, and it's interesting that he seems to see himself as secretary of state because these delusions of grandeur seemed to be common among people in Trump's inner circle you say that Michael Cohen thought he was going to be chief of staff Bannon thinks he could run for president himself. It's as if Trump broke the seal when he however, improbably got elected to office for, which he was wholly unqualified. And he's inspired all the people around him to aspire to positions way above their pay grade. I think that that's a very smart way of looking looking at this. And also, you know, the greater context, is that, that, that none of these people have any experience in politics or government. So. Therefore, having made this extraordinary leap. I guess you, you, you assume you can keep making extraordinarily now one of the few people who's managed to make a graceful exit from the Trump administration and do so on her own terms was Nikki Haley, but you say that her departure was a deliberate slap in the face to Trump. What was the real reason for her exit? Well, I don't you know, she, she departed aside, I think twenty three days before the mid term election was a very public departure. You know, basically she was she was it was a condition of the of a situation, which the senior most woman in the administration was leaving just before the, the midterm elections. And in fact, she wasn't leaving before the midterm elections. She was planning to stay until January. So why? Couldn't she have left announced her departure a day after the election? So this was a very theatrical a moment for in which she established her independence, from Donald Trump, and she has become in, in many ways. She's the, she's the, the last best hope of the Republican party, or of the traditional of the leadership of the traditional Republican party as we've seen women in virtually all college educated women in most in many other women depart, the Republican party, she's the, she's the one person who certainly on a demographic basis. You might say can can begin to rebuild the, the, the Republican party's. The, the trust of women in the Republican party. And in this new book siege you actually expand on theory that you had hinted at last time around, which is the possibility of an affair between. Nikki Haley and Trump. Do you think that was real? Or was it just his imagination? You know, let me make sure, you know. No, I mean I got into trouble with, with, with fire and fear. That was not in fire and fury. But in the commentary after this could I could I because I had heard I had heard Trump telling many people that he and, and the Nikki Haley, the ambassador to the United Nations were were involved in a sexual relationship, and I, and I kind of during this book, I paid significantly more attention to this and, and kind of tracked down. I think what what happened and it was was one of those instances of which, I think my, my, my instinct, the president of the United States, says something to a lot of people is the president of the United States, you believe it. Sure. And in my kind of kind of work that. Back and, and, and you realize why would you believe this and many of the people who he had told this? When I went back to them. And I said, okay, what about this? He's saying Nikki Haley and perform this particular sex act on him. And, and, and I said, you know what, what are you? And they said, oh, no, he says this about everybody. This is this is how he that this is how he treats women. This is when, when, when he says, locker room talk that doesn't really mean that, that, that, that, that he's telling you the truth. In fact, actually, in most instances, Trump doesn't tell the truth about anything, but particularly this he is always talking about women. What he wants them to do to him what they have what he says they have done to him. And, you know, I think the conclusion is, is. Very clear here. You know, Trump's default is always to demean women in that has no relationship to the reality of, of what of what might actually have happened. It is just the one way, the only way he knows how to see women on the subject of Trump's improprieties with women. What is the Trump White House make of the whole metoo movement? I mean, somehow Trump seems to be the one person who hasn't been held to account for his behavior. Do you think that still could be his vengeful and doing, you know, certainly, I mean, it's the thing you never bring up me too. In the White House, you ever ever ever bring it up. And you know, Steve Bannon certainly thinks that it is one of those one of those bullets of the many bullets out there that are aimed at Trump that might actually one day, one day, hit him and Bannon was. Was was was one of the key figures in after the, the Hollywood access, you know, grabbed them by the pussy tape there were, there were a set of women. I think I think twenty five women who came out and said that Trump had had had harassed or, or even attack them in, in Bannon said, you know, they were lucky. They were able to sort of sort of mash or there were so many that everybody lost track of who was who was whom. But Bannon Bannon's point is that that was in a different climate and we're in a new climate now. And it is very possible that those women will will that some of those women will or other women, we'll be back and they will have and, and, and their stories will be not mashed together, but singular and clarion will work. Can you tell us about the most important woman, or I guess, maybe one of the two most important women in his life Milania is there something between them or is this just a marriage of convenience or an arrangement of sorts one of the people when in, in the White House and the people around him when, when you ask them about this, and this is not a not a subject than anyone? Particularly wants to talk about a for obvious reasons, but they almost all say they have never seen a, a marriage. And they talk about it, as you know, Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes deal. Malania doesn't really live in the White House. She really lives with her with her son, and her parents in a in a house in Maryland. You know, I'm a lot of people have have described the, you know, the. You know, having a turn away from how Trump treats his son, and that apparently is a is a is a major cause of, of, of distress in the in, in their marriage. You know he doesn't like his, his, his, his, his youngest son. I actually other people go on to say he doesn't like any of his sons, he treats them all badly? But I think that this is this has been, it's a particularly to say the least hard issue for for his wife at this point, there was all kinds of speculation when Milania was hospitalized for a week at Walter Reed. Do you have any idea what was going on there? You know, I, I write about it, and I try to get to the bottom of it. But I don't I just know that nobody a hundred percent thinks that, that the story on its face is true. I guess they're rumors of success. Purity footage of Trump beating Malania in the Los Angeles hotel elevator. What do we know about that? Just, you know, there's I mean nobody knows if this if this exists. But nevertheless, the they're the people around him. First thing are they don't at all discount that it might exist. And then they speculate when it might have happened in part of the speculation. Is that it happened at a after a visit to to a lawyer in Los Angeles when they were discussing renegotiating their pre? I mean, that's pretty unhinged stuff if that's true. I you know, I mean, I think I think the whole the whole message of this book certainly is, is that we are operating at, at the very least on the edge of the unhinged every day. Yeah. You say that a dozen different staffers, have expressed some. Along the lines of I've never met anyone as crazy as Donald Trump. So why do they work for him still? Well, I, I can even push that further that I, I think that almost everybody who has been in some kind of close contact with him over the last three years believes that there is something phenomenally fundamentally wrong here wrong with wrong with not just this the situation but wrong with him. And, you know, they work for we'll, we'll actually most of them no longer work for him. You know, the first the first wave of staffers, almost all of them left, the second wave of staffers, almost all of them left, the remaining people, you know, junior staffers have been promoted to senior staffers, and in, in some sense, the only. People who, who of, of significance who yet remain are, are Jared Kushner and his daughter, Ivanka. So I you know, I think you can kind of analyze that people. He's the president of the United States. And, and so at least in the beginning people went to work for him because he is the president of the United States at this point in time. I think it's very hard for him to get anyone to, to come in work with him in close proximity. You know, they had the, the Mick Mulvaney is the chief of staff now but he won't take the title of chief of staff. He's acting staff, and, and, and before that after John Kelly, John Kelly was was leaving Nick Ayers, who was the vice president's chief of staff was supposed to take over the job. And in fact, he did. But he started on on, on a Wednesday as. Just as, as John Kelly was transitioning out in by the sun, Sunday he quit, and untold people. He just, you know that this was all just too crazy for him, Michael beyond just the craziness of guy. I'll tell you the word. I always used to describe him as weird just. He's just plain weird even in the small things in everyday life. I can't think of an instance, where he does or says anything like normal person would I mean if I met him at a dinner party, I'd probably be creeped out. Why is he so weird? Well, you know, I recount on at a dinner party, there's a, there's a dinner party described in the in, in the book where there's, you know, the discussion was was, you know, I, I don't exactly know what the discussion was, but it involves a Viagra. And and, and Trump suddenly said in the middle of this discussion said, said said, I don't need a pill to make it go up. I need. Pill to make go down. So it is always that, that kind of thing, it's always, you know, not just a lack of fundamental manners and a fundamentally understanding how people relate to each other in a given situation. It's, it's a man who just believes everything revolves around him. And it just keeps kidding crazier and more interesting. I'm sure there'll be more than enough material for third at as of as of this moment, I would say, I hope not. But we'll see what happens. Well, once more the book is called siege. Trump under fire Michael Wolff. Thanks so much for docking with me. Thank you for having me. 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The Report, Part VI: Back Channels

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The Report, Part VI: Back Channels

"Previously on the report the f._b._i. As part of our counterintelligence mission is investigating the russian. Government's efforts is to interfere in the two thousand sixteen presidential election trump announces with some fanfare his team. It includes george popadopoulos carter page which is that donald. Trump is brilliant and i said you think i'm going to disavow state but are you crazy. I went into a plea with my eyes closed. This is a crisis. This is from manafort. He's so over leveraged. I don't understand how four different occasions a warrant was issued against. An american citizen manafort ford has resigned from the trump. Campaign is stepping down. It's december twenty ninth twenty sixteen. The obama administration announces that it's imposing sanctions on russia as a punishment for election interference michael flynn has been tapped to become trump's national security advisor when the new administration asian takes office in january but it's still the transition period flynn is taking a few days vacation at the beach. When he sees the news he grabs his phone and text the transition team at mar-a-lago he writes quote titfortat with russia not good and he says that the russian ambassador sergei or get kislyak is reaching out to him today. Flynn calls kislyak and ask that russia not escalate in response to the sanctions apparently it it works. The next day in a surprise move putin says that russia won't retaliate trump tweets quote great move on delay away by the putin. I always knew he was very smart <music>. This is the report episode six back channels. The mother report spends more than one hundred pages detailing the trump teams contacts with various russians government government officials oligarchs agents and cutouts and those contacts don't stop when trump wins the election on november eighth twenty sixteen the previous two episodes covered russian approaches to the trump team leading up to and during the campaign the trump tower moscow projects the offer of dirt at trump tower new york and overtures to george popadopoulos carter page and paul manafort but muller also looks at a somewhat different form of contact as as well outreach from the russian government pushing policies favorable to the russian federation and now it wants to start talking about new policies with people. The russians think are prepared to be friendlier than typical u._s. politicians. The story of the russian efforts to reset relations with the new administration. Shen begins with a policy speech trump delivers at a hotel in washington d._c. Goes through a resort at a remote island in the indian ocean then the u._n. Security council and ends with the president's national security adviser resigning in disgrace before turning to the transition period head. It's worth mentioning two episodes from the campaign. That muller covers at length but ultimately concludes. There isn't anything especially nefarious going on one involves a d._c. Based think tank called the center for the national interest or c._n._n. I the other involves the republican national committee changing the party's platform platform in a men are favourable so the russians here's benjamin witness who as always is paraphrasing quoting the muller report itself members of the trump campaign interacted on several occasions with the center for the national interest principally through its president and chief executive officer dimitri simes c._n._i. Is a think tank with expertise in and connections to the russian government in april. Two thousand sixteen candidate trump delivered his first. I speech on foreign policy and national security at an event hosted by the national interest a publication affiliated with c._n._i. Then senator senator jeff sessions and russian ambassador sergei kislyak both attended the event and as a result it gained some attention in relation to sessions's confirmation confirmation hearings to become attorney. General sessions had various other contacts with c._n._i. During the campaign period on foreign policy matters including russia jared kushner also interacted with signs about russian issues during the campaign. The investigation did not identify evidence events that the campaign past or received any messages to or from the russian government through c._n._i. Or signs rosalind helderman alderman is an investigative reporter for the washington post. She's also an author of the introduction and commentary accompanying. The posts printed edition of the muller report report so dimitri simes is a russian emigre. He moved to the united states. I believe in the nineteen seventies and was a pretty outspoken anticommunist. I communist <hes> dissident living in the u._s. He founded this think tank the they believe that the united states should pursue foreign policy that was pragmatic pragmatic <hes> and <hes> <hes> not necessarily sort of <hes> looking for fights all over the world on behalf of the american ideology <hes> but to be realists and in the context of 2016 russia what that man was not antagonist bodyman putin the c._n._i. Affiliated publication the national interests hosts trump's foreign policy speech at the mayflower hotel signs agrees that c._n._i. Will provide behind the scenes input on the speech. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you and thank you to the center sir for national interest for honoring me with this invitation. It truly is a great honor. It's time to shake the rust off america's foreign policy. It's it's time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold something we have to do. It was actually a little controversial at the time because this was very the star of the time period where people were really noticing. The donald trump was talking about russia in a way that was pretty out of step with the rest of the foreign policy establishment and people notice noticed that sergei kislyak the russian ambassador went to that speech he attended it and he sat in the front row watching candidate trump spoke which was unusual but later it becomes quite controversial because it's kind of the start of these moments where you can see these kind of flickers of interaction between between russia and the campaign the mayflower hotel event becomes a bigger deal later on when sessions is nominated to become the attorney general and it emerges that he shihan kislyak both attended during his confirmation hearings sessions had told the senate that he hadn't met with any russians when sessions was nominated needed to be attorney general he had confirmation hearings of course and in the course of those confirmation hearings he was ask questions about russia and the campaign and if there is any any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign. What will you do senator franken. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two and that campaign and i didn't have not not have communications with the russians and i'm unable to comment on it and then it was very quickly reported by the washing pos actually that <hes> he had he met with kislyak at least twice during the republican national convention when kislyak had attended a speech <hes> that he gave <hes> and then again at this meeting his office in september number two thousand sixteen and in fact they had talked about you know at least fleetingly at least briefly they had talked about the campaigns attitude towards russia and russia's attitude towards the campaign and so this was a big problem for sessions and a few days after it emerged that his congressional testimony had not been accurate <hes> ah announced that he was recusing himself from <hes> investigation into either a campaign might arise whatever investigation that might have been which of course was the russia investigation the fact that kislyak had also been at the mayflower hotel speech adds to the many questions about whether sessions has been truthful about his encounters with kislyak but the mullahs report says nothing dramatic happened the office found no evidence that kislyak conversed with either there trump or sessions after the speech or would have had the opportunity to do so still signs in kushner remain in touch through the rest of the campaign a fact which becomes important immediately after the election but before that there's the republican national convention in july twenty sixteen gene. We're a decision to change r._n._c. Policy platform regarding ukraine generates controversy as well the story behind signed curious change in the republican party platform republican. Donald trump has promised to be a strong president. Get the party platform became less tough on russia in particular it reduced the level of support that would be promised to a government under pressure from russia kislyak also meets with campaign staff around the time of the g._o._p. Upi convention and then republican party platform changes to water down language supporting ukraine and its battle against russian forces in in eastern ukraine. The question is whether kislyak or maybe trump himself is involved in that decision. Why did she saw in the g._o._p. Platform on ukraine. I wasn't involved in honestly yeah. I was not involved in that. I'd like to <hes>. I'd have to take a look at it. I was not involved. You know what they did. They softened it. I heard but i was not involved. They took away the part of the platform calling provisions of lethal weapons to ukraine to defend themselves. So why is that a good idea. Look you know i have my own ideas but the mother report says there's nothing here either trump campaign officials met with russian ambassador editor sergei kislyak during the week of the republican national convention. The evidence indicates that those interactions were brief and non-substantive during platform committee meetings immediately before the convention jay dee gordon a senior campaign adviser on policy and national security diluted needed a proposed amendment to the republican party platform expressing support for providing quote lethal unquote assistance to ukraine in response wants to russian aggression gordon requested that platform committee personnel revise the proposed amendment to state that only quote appropriate unquote unquote assistance be provided to ukraine. Gordon says he sought change on his own because the new language is more consistent with trump's position on in ukraine and the mother report says there's no evidence trump is personally involved. Change still kislyak keeps in touch after the convention with sessions and with gordon when trump was elected president on november eighth twenty sixteen kislyak along with a lot of other russian government emissaries official and unofficial start more aggressive outreach beginning immediately after the election individuals connected to the russian government started contacting contacting officials on the trump campaign and transition team through multiple channels sometimes through russian ambassador kislyak and at other times through individuals vigils who sought reliable contacts through u._s. Persons not formally tied to the campaign or transition team the most senior in your levels of the russian government encouraged these efforts the investigation did not establish that these efforts reflected or constituted coordination between the trump campaign and russia in its election interference activities to fifty a._m. On election night trump takes the stage to clean victory. I've just received a call from secretary clinton within minutes. What's the russians are reaching out at approximately three a._m. On election night trump campaign press secretary hope hicks received received a telephone call on her personal cell phone from a person who sounded foreign but was calling from a number with the d._c. Area code although hick's wchs had a hard time understanding the person she could make out the words quote putin. Call unquote hicks told the caller to send her tail the next day hicks received an email from an official at the russian embassy with the subject line message from putin but hicks ex- isn't sure if the email is real or not here's ross helderman. There's this sort of historical moment. Were on the night of the election or early morning hours. After the election election hope it's gets a phone call on her cell phone from a russian accented man who she can't understand anything he says other than something about putin's call <hes> and she does like very understandably. I think all of us would do at like three in the morning with a strange man calls she says can you email me and so he does he emails <hes> <hes> her from his g mail account which is a little unusual and says that he works for the russian embassy and he'd like to help set up a call between vladimir putin and the incoming president united states and so she sends out the kushner and says like is this. Is this real like. I don't want to be duped but i also don't want to blow off putin. I actually think that was the direct quote from email email. I don't want to be duped but i don't wanna blow off putin and so- kushner sets out to figure out <hes> whether that guy really worked for the embassy and whether he was acting on behalf of the russian government and i guess he's not a reporter and doesn't know that much about google because the thing he does is he goes to dimitri simes and he asks him like what was the name of the russian in basseterre. I don't remember like i need to figure out if this guy works for the embassy. Kushner goes to symes to remind him of kislyak's name those campaign period contacts contacts are suddenly alive once again five days later trump and putin speak by phone this sort of direct outreach however is not the kremlin's only game a number of russian individuals working in the private sector began their own efforts to make contact peter oven russian national who heads alpha-bank russia's largest commercial bank described to the office interactions with putin during this time period that might account for the flurry of russian activity of and told the office that he is one of approximately fifty wealthy russian businessman commonly referred to u._s. Oligarchs who regularly meet with putin in the kremlin according to oven although putin did not expressly direct him to reach out to the trump transition position team often understood that putin expected him to try to respond to the concerns he had raised in december two thousand sixteen at a meeting meeting between putin oven and other prominent russian businessmen. The main topic of discussion was the prospect of forthcoming u._s. Economic sanctions actions russia has behaved badly. The americans are angry and putin is worried about sanctions. He wants to begin a dialogue with the incoming administration to head off putting believes the trump administration will be friendlier to russia than any administration in recent u._s. history and he just interfered in an election to help trump. Here's franklin for a writer at the atlantic putin starts to get nervous about his relations with with the new government and he brings in oven. He assembles the rest of the oligarchs and he says i need you guys to do whatever ever you can to get in with the trump people and so they go out they all this to seek out meetings with jared kushner. They start to make enquiries. It's certainly suggestive of the ways in which oligarchs operate on behalf of vladimir putin where they're an extension attention of russian foreign policy. They're not independent entities when they're they're. They're asked to perform very very specific. Tasks asks that come from the top and the consequences of not coming through in those those tasks are such that they the oligarchs feel feel compelled to perform them oven isn't the only one chorale dmitriev heads russians sovereign wealth fund and he's close to putin to he also also develops a sudden interest in meeting with members of the incoming trump administration in the period after the election he recruits a business associate named george originator an american who works for the government of the united arab emirates to make introductions to trump transition officials and this leads to a wild taper of meeting in the seychelles islands nature has been keeping dmitriev abreast of his efforts to develop contacts with the trump campaign during the two thousand sixteen election shen after trump wins dmitriev tells nater he wants to meet with the key people in the trump transition to begin quote rebuilding the relationship in and whatever is a comfortable pace for them and quote those meetings do not develop immediately nater stated that dmitry of continued to press him to set up a meeting with transition officials and was particularly focused on kushner and trump junior here shane harris of the washington post so dmitry of starts using his relationship with this man george nader to try get in with people in the trump campaign nader also knows so he's kind of leaning on nater saying i want to meet with people i want to meet with kushner. I wanna meet with donald trump junior these the people he really wanted to get to to start having a conversation about how we make the relationship better which is the kind of conversations you expect to happen. During the presidential transition they're not conversations expect to be having between you know some wealthy financier manzir that the russian president does and a bunch of people who are not officially a part of the president's transition or just advising. There's no formality to this. It's all very backchannel. Actional neater eventually comes through suggesting a meeting between dmitriev an individual associated with the trump campaign named eric prince nater traveled to new york in early january two thousand seventeen and had lunchtime and dinner meetings with eric prints on january third two thousand seventeen seventeen nader and prince discussed dmitriev nater informed prince that the russians were looking to build a link with the incoming trump administration nation. He told prince that dmitriev had been pushing nater to introduce him to someone from the incoming administration nader suggested said in light of prince's relationship with transition team officials that prints and dmitriev meet to discuss issues of mutual concern. Prince has been many things he's probably most famous as an entrepreneur of sorts <hes> he was the founder and once ran a company called blackwater which is a private security company of some notoriety <hes> but he is <hes> a man of <hes> significant financial means was largely invested in private security with some would call mercenary forces. He is also the brother of the education secretary betsy devos and has a number of close personal relationships to people who worked on the trump campaign and we're close advisers to donald trump to notable. We'll places he shows up one is in the <hes> hunt for hillary clinton's emails by the republican operative peter smith which was the subject of a previous previous episode of the podcast he actually provided technical analysis of e-mails that peter smith was given to find out if they were actually hillary clinton's emails and and the second eh pops up is in interactions that he's having with people in the campaign <hes> and a man named george nader who is close to the royal family of the united arab emirates that leads up to a meeting that eric prince has with a man named curious dmitrov in the seychelles which which is a tiny island in the middle of the indian ocean prince did not have a formal role in the campaign although he offered to host a fundraiser for trump and sent unsolicited policy papers on issues such as foreign policy trade and russian election interference to ban after the election in prince frequently visited transition offices at trump tower primarily to meet with bannon but on occasion to meet with michael flynn and others prince insist bannon would discuss among other things foreign policy issues and prince's recommendations regarding who should be appointed to fill key national security already positions although prince was not formally affiliated with the transition nader received assurances that the incoming administration considered prince a a trusted associate and thus the seychelles meeting is born prince booked a ticket to the seychelles on january very seven th two thousand seventeen the following day nater wrote to dmitry after he had a pleasant surprise unquote for him namely that that he arranged for dmitriev to meet a quote special guest unquote from the quote new team unquote referring to prince nader asked aston mitri f- if he could come to the seychelles for the meeting on january twelfth two thousand seventeen and dmitriev agreed so ultimately nater nater arranges for a meeting in the seychelles erik prince's going there <hes> and nato calls up dmitriev and says okay. I want you to meet with eric. Prince you finally going to have your you know your meeting with the guy who's on the inside and dmitrievna initially a little bit skeptical kind of wondering is eric prince really high up enough in the campaign vein and the guy. I want to meet with nater wrote to dmitriev quote. This guy prints is designated by steve bannon to meet you. I know him and and he is very very well connected and trusted by the new team. His sister is now. A minister of education unquote dmitriev arrived with his wife in the seychelles on january eleventh two thousand seventeen and checked into the four seasons resort where crown prince mohammad and nater were staying prince arrived that same day prince and dmitriev met for the first time that afternoon in nader's villa with nature present. The initial meeting lasted approximately thirty to forty five minutes. It isn't clear exactly what happens at the meeting so do the meeting itself. It's gonna say we don't know a ton of out in the inter interactions between dmitriev in prints that are a detailed in the miller report or actually blacked out. We know a fair amount though about what led up to that meeting that i think sheds light on what was what was going on. This section of the report is heavily redacted but it tells us that the meeting was short and apparently at a fairly high altitude prince describes steve bannon as has effective. If unconventional the topic of russian election interference doesn't come up and prince says he will tell ban and about the meeting and bannon bannon or someone else on the team will follow up if interested in continuing the discussion. They have two meetings. <hes> one is <hes> not long after they arrived it lasts about thirty or forty five minutes much of what they discussed is redacted but i think we can largely infer that it was about a desire to improve relations but then things go south afterwards prince returned to his room where he learned that a russian aircraft carrier had sailed to libya which which led him to call nature and ask him to set up another meeting with dmitriev according to nader prince called and said he had checked with his associates back home and needed to convey to dmitriev that libya was quote off the table unquote when prince tells dmitriev that the u._s. could not accept russian involvement mm-hmm and libya because it will only make the situation worse dmitriev is insulted after the brief second meeting concluded dmitriev told nater that he was disappointed in his meetings with prince for two reasons first he believed the russians needed to be communicating with somebody who had more authority within the incoming administration than prince had second he had hoped to have a discussion of greater substance such as outlining a strategic roadmap would map for both countries to follow dmitri of seem kind of underwhelmed. He was hoping for somebody who had a bit more authority. Within the transition in the upcoming meghan ministration and nature says to him. No this guy is very tight with steve bannon. This is the guy who really wants him to get wants you to meet with him so he's trying to play prince office. Somebody who is more more important than dimitri. Thanks the russians are disappointed for his part prince's excited but back home bannon is unimpressed hours. After the second meeting print sent to text messages to ban from the seychelles. He also told nater that he would inform bannon about his discussion in with dmitry f._m. Would convey that someone within the russian power structure was interested in seeking better relations with the incoming administration prince said that he met bannon bannon's home after returning to the united states and briefed him about several topics including his meeting with dimitrios. According to prince bannon instructed prince not to follow up with dmitry f. and prince had the impression that the issue was not a priority for bannon prince related that bannon did not appear angry just relatively uninterested bannon for his part denies knowing or remembering anything saying about the seychelles beginning at all bannon told the office that he never discussed with prince anything regarding dmitriev or any meetings with russian individuals or people associated with putin bannon also stated that had prince mentioned such a meeting bannon would have remembered it and bannon would've objected to such a meeting having taken place. There are a lot of questions about the seychelles. Meeting starting with wyatt was held through back channel on an island in the indian ocean in the first place. If the transition wants to open a line of communication with russia about a potential reset relations why not go through the state state department. What does prince think he's doing when he boards a plane to meet with an envoy to vladimir putin in a remote country i think he understood that at this was a meeting that he was being asked to undertake in his capacity as a transition adviser with a very prominent russian and that what was going on here at least from the point of view of the russians certainly <hes> is some kind of laying the groundwork for foreign policy right that is what transitions are supposed to do to start laying the groundwork work but none of this was happening through any kind of formal or established channel and by the way there was still a president in office who was in charge of russian us relations until january anyway twentieth of two thousand seventeen another question that one might ask is why exactly does a prominent wealthy russian close to putin need to go to a tiny island in the middle of the indian ocean to have a meeting with trump adviser like why can't you do that in a little more overt kind of open setting while the cloak and dagger in prince's prince's not entirely truthful about the episode either so wouldn't eric prints was initially questioned about this meeting so the washington post i back back in april of two thousand seventeen broke the fact at the meeting occurred. He interviewed by the house. Intelligence committee print says and essentially what he says is at this meeting was all just coincidental. Eric prince was in the seychelles <hes> he heard that there was this russian he should meet with they met mishal unplanned all spontaneous and they didn't discuss anything related to <hes> foreign policy or u._s. Strategic relations basically all of that's not true and we know that because prince tells a totally different story the one we've just laid out here about what happened <hes> in the seychelles to muller and his team and that is corroborated by other people who were there so the question becomes why did eric prince feel the need to mislead or not tell the full story or possibly lie about this meeting when he was meeting with house investigators. What was he trying to hide. Muller is also unable to resolve bannon and prince's conflicting accounts about about what bannon knew about the meeting the conflicting accounts provided by bannon and prince could not be independently clarified by reviewing their communications sion's because neither one was able to produce any of the messages they exchanged in the time period surrounding the seychelles meeting. There is meta data indicating that bannon and prince were exchanging text messages during this period but when the investigators to look at their phones the messages are gone so let a very curious signals that <hes> this was perhaps not the most transparent and overt of meetings that happen in the seychelles dmitriev isn't just relying on nature. He has other irons in the fire in late november. Remember the u._a._e. National security advisor introduces him to rick garson a hedge fund manager in new york who's friends with jared jared kushner when dmitriev and gerson met they principally discussed potential joint ventures between gerson hedge fund and the russian investment fund and dmitriev was interested in improved economic cooperation between the united states and russia and asked gerson who he should meet with in in the incoming administration who would be helpful towards this goal gerson said he would ask kushner and michael flynn who the quote key person or people bull unquote were on the topics of reconciliation with russia joint security concerns and economic matters shortly before the inauguration occupation dmitriev writes a brief outline of ideas for a new russia u._s. relationship and gives it to garson gerson gives it to kushner kushner who gives it to bannon and to rex tillerson who's about to become the secretary of state. He actually ends up kind of giving gerson in this sort of road map for future relationships between the united states and russia and tells gerson that this is coming from putin. That's what putin wants and gerson passes along jared kushner. <hes> and there's you know there's sort of ample evidence that dmitriev was at least claiming saying that this was coming from the very highest levels of the russian government. You know putin himself you know down to he at one point tells kushner or that he knows the putin and trump are gonna gonna be speaking and putin wants to know that his document has been red before they before they speak <hes> so jared kushner guest document and apparently there's evidence that he circulated it around <hes> you know he gives it to bannon and gives it to rex tillerson. Who's the incoming <hes> <hes> secretary of state there are other meetings things between trump associates and the russians during the transition as well jared kushner and michael flynn meet with kislyak trump tower new york on november thirtieth twenty sixteen ecksteen at the half hour meeting kushner says he wants to quote start afresh in u._s. Russia relations and he asks for a more direct line to putin ah the three men also discussed u._s. Policy toward syria and kislyak floated the idea of having russian generals briefed the transition team on the topic <unk> using secure communications line after flynn explained that there was no secure line in the transition team offices kushner asked kislyak xlii act if they could communicate using secure facilities at the russian embassy kislyak quickly rejected that idea the president-elect's president-elect son-in-law representing his presidential transition asks the ambassador of the russian federation if the transition might use russian communications commitment for briefings from russian generals so they're talking about syria. They're talking about the possibility of getting some kind of briefing from russian generals about what's going on in syria and <hes> i guess jared kushner or someone thinks this needs to be a secure conversation and they note that they don't have the ability to have secure communications <hes> in the transition frankly. That's probably not true. The state department probably could have helped them with that kind of thing if they were actually working with the state department mm-hmm and <hes> but they weren't no one knows how you do such things and sew kushner makes this rather like extraordinary proposal that maybe they could use the russians secure communications. Maybe trump people could go. I guess to the russian embassy and use their communications devices to talk to the russian generals <hes> and apparently even kislyak was like <hes> no that does not sound like a good idea to me and that did not happen the president trump personally defending his senior senior adviser and son-in-law jared kushner. All the administration officials say that even have kushner did try to establish a secret back channel with the kremlin that it's not that big a deal. I mean it's an insane idea. You have like u._s. Officials who are about to be the most powerful officials in the american government like turning turning themselves over basically to adverse foreign power and you know it could be used against them in the future <hes> <hes> they could manipulate the recording if they wanted to. <hes> and it's also just like just not done. I mean imagine if it had come out that they like went into the russian embassy because they didn't trust american communications and they didn't know how to use american communications like there are even more meetings outreach pedder oven. The banker sought to connect with the transition through dimitri simes and a former u._s. Diplomat carter page has been fired by the trump campaign but following the election when he shows up in moscow intimating he speaks for the trump team and again communicates with the russian deputy prime minister jared kushner also meets sergei gorkov. The head of a russian government owned bank called v._p. The bank and kushner offer conflicting accounts of the purpose of that meeting the abi claims. It's a real estate business meeting. While kushner says it is for diplomatic purposes muller does not resolve the conflicting accounts but does snowed. There's only limited follow up that would be concerning if the russians were dangling some kind of investment to help jared kushner's business. I mean you know a put aside. The issue of the russians that's just ranked corruption right to you know basic bribery law basic quid pro quo to offer governmental affairs shaw a private investment in exchange for policy outcome. <hes> you want <hes>. That's gross no matter who does it. <hes> if it's russia doing it in particular for <hes> you know then you have the issue of like steering u._s. policy in favor of a adverse hostile foreign power for personal business reasons and it also creates a powerful compromise situation <hes> where jared kushner could potentially be blackmailed that he entertained this this corrupt bargain but again you know more apparently did not find evidence that that's what happened at that meeting so hopefully it's not the name is jared kushner. I am senior adviser to president donald j trump. Let me be very clear. I did not collude with russia shaw nor do i know of anyone else in the campaign who did so i had no improper contacts and i have been fully transparent in providing hiding all requested information. Donald trump had a better message and ran a smarter campaign and that is why he won all of this brings us to michael flynn and his contacts with sergei kislyak in the final days of twenty me sixteen here shane harris again on how flynn came to be selected as trump's national security adviser michael flynn was regarded as i think still is regarded as one of the more brilliant tactical military intelligence officers of his generation asian. It was during the era of the conflict in iraq and when the conflict afganistan was going much hotter than it is now that flynn sort of became became known for this brilliance of being able to develop intelligence based plans key is appointed to be the director of the defense intelligence allegiance agency but then it turned out that his his kind of tactical brilliance on the field did not translate to strategic or managerial competence running a very very big multibillion dollar intelligence agency and he very famously flamed out as the director of the d._i._a. Ultimately pushed out by the president he he became a very prominent critic of the administration but along comes donald trump and donald trump after he announces for president in the summer of twenty t- fifteen continues. I think it's safe to say kind of a line of critique and attack that he's had on the obama administration of being weak on terror blind to the the threat of radical islam not even using the words radical islam. Mike flynn was totally simpatico with that incoming national security adviser michael google flynn was the transition team's primary conduit for communications with the russian ambassador and dealt with russia on too sensitive matters during the transition period united nations security council vote and the russian government's reaction to the united states is imposition of sanctions for russian interference in the two two thousand sixteen election. The first of these sensitive matters involve israel and settlement activity. Here's scott anderson of law fair and the brookings institution in mid to late. December word gets out that egypt has actually introduced a draft strictly and draft u._n. Security council resolution that that condemns israeli settlement activity and this is a pretty notable development <hes> in terms of these sorts of resolutions the u._n. Security council actually hadn't really enacted any sort of resolution addressing settlement activity since the nineteen eighties really because the united states had consistently vetoed them the security council which includes russia was scheduled to vote on the resolution the following day there was speculation in the media that the obama administration would not oppose the resolution lucien then the trump team gets involved according to flynn the transition team regarded the vote as a significant issue and wanted to support support israel by opposing the resolution on december twenty second two thousand sixteen multiple members of the transition team as well as president-elect trump trump communicated with foreign government officials to determine their views on the resolution and to rally support to delay the vote or defeat the resolution michael flynn the future national security advisor is responsible for reaching out to russia and reaches out to again his contacts kislyak of the russian ambassador bathroom the united states to say <hes> you know we urge you to try and find a way to delay this resolution. Don't bring it up for a vote. <hes> we breaking fairly clear that they oppose the the resolution from the perspective of the incoming trump administration and otherwise finding ways to prevent the security council resolution from actually reaching the floor and being forced forced into a vote separately. It's worth noting president. Trump reportedly reached out to the egyptian president sisi <hes> and who actually succeeded in persuading him to delay of vote on the resolution but a similar resolution was introduced by other states <hes> and that was the one that ultimately made it forward to the floor russia could veto the resolution as easily the united states good <hes> but russia's made clear to flynn and communication through kislyak later that they would not oppose the resolution if it were brought to the floor. Why does it matter if the trump transition is engaged with foreign leaders on a u._n. Security council vote because of the principle that the united states has only one government at a time trump has has been elected but he isn't president yet and his transition is actively undermining the policies of the u._s. Government that is still in power. It is strange <hes> to say the least <hes> you know there's been kind of a tradition about transition governments <hes> in the united states at least to say you know we recognize that the current government in place is the government for the united states and we're not going to step in and start reversing things until there is the official transition at the inauguration the obama administration in two thousand late two thousand eight early two thousand nine when transitioning with the bush administration was very notable about that they were very explicit saying while we have major foreign policy disagreements with the bush administration president bush is still the president until january twentieth until inauguration day <hes> so this is a departure from that sort of norm certainly about this conscious and proactive effort to kind of i've respond to or shape foreign relations and there's another problem as well when flynn is interviewed about all of this by the f._b._i. He lies to federal investigators. Flynn made false statements about the calls he had previously made to representatives of russia and other their countries regarding a resolution submitted by egypt to the united nations security council on december twenty first two thousand sixteen specifically flynn stated that he had only asked the country's position on how they would vote on the resolution and that he did not request that any of the countries take any particular action that statement was false in reality flynn has called kislyak has told him the trump transition opposes the resolution solution and as requested the russians voted against or delay the resolution but flynn engages in an even more faithful exchange with kislyak during the transition flint speaks to the russian ambassador later in december when the obama administration announces sanctions and other measures on russia on december twenty eighth with two thousand sixteen then president obama signed an executive order which took effect at twelve o one a._m. The next day and imposed sanctions on nine russian russian individuals and entities on december twenty ninth two thousand sixteen the obama administration also expelled thirty five russian government officials ios and close to russian government owned compounds in the united states. Ellen nakashima is a journalist with the washington post. So the there was a basket of of measures that the obama administration <hes> took on on december twenty ninth they announced announced economic sanctions on to russian intelligence agencies the g._r._u. and the f._s._p. The gre you being those military terry intelligence <hes> spicer virus and the f._s._b.'s the internal security service a successor agency to the k._g._b. As well as <hes> sanctions on four g._r._u. officers who were involved in the cyber her <hes> hacking and interference in the two thousand sixteen election the these actions were all part of a response to both these hacking interference appearance and the election and the pattern of harassment that russia had taken against u._s. Officials in the preceding year there had been a big debate during during the summer and into the fall over whether and how to respond to russia's provocations <hes> but they in fact did not take action until until after the election december twenty nine of twenty sixteen and the besides the economic sanctions they <hes> expelled thirty five russian intelligence operatives and they closed to russian compounds one on the eastern shore of maryland and went up in long island both of which were suspected did of of being used for surveillance purposes by the russians at the time the sanctions are announced trump and the leaders of his transition team mm-hmm including future deputy national security adviser k._t. Mcfarland are at mar-a-lago flynn is on vacation in the dominican republic but is in touch with mcfarland daily. The transition team and president-elect trump were concerned that these sanctions would harm the united states is relationship ship with russia. Although the details and timing of sanctions were unknown on december twenty eighth two thousand sixteen the media began reporting that retaliatory sorry measures from the obama administration against russia were forthcoming when asked about imposing sanctions on russia for its alleged interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election president-elect trump told the media quote. I think we ought to get on with our lives. Unquote on december twenty ninth win the obama administration announced the sanctions they imposing against russia for its interference in the two thousand sixteen election that was something that <hes> kislyak wanted to talk to flint about in fact there had had been <hes> indications that the sanctions were coming when it became clear that the sanctions were pending kislyak texted or got untouched with flynn. Thank you wanted to talk to him. Russia initiated the outreach to the transition team on the evening of december twenty twenty eight. Th two thousand sixteen kislyak texted flynn quote. Can you kindly call me back at your convenience. Unquote flynn did not respond to the text message message that evening. Someone from the russian embassy also called flynn the next morning at ten thirty eight a._m. But they did not talk but then the obama administration actually announces the sanctions on the twenty ninth after the same day but after the sanctions had been announced flynn took a call from kislyak he was at the beach resort. He took a call from kislyak and these spoke at mar a lago. The transition team consults on what flynn should say to the russian ambassador mcfarland believed she told bannon that flynn was scheduled to talk to kislyak later that at night mcfarland also believed she may have discussed the sanctions with priebus and likewise told him that flynn was scheduled to talk to kislyak the act that night at three fourteen pm flynn texted a transition team member who was assisting mcfarland quote time for a call unquote he later texted tit for tat with russia not good russian ambro reaching out to me today unquote. It's also clear that they discussed the message edge to be sent to the russians mcfarland and flynn also discussed that transition team members in mar-a-lago did not want russia to escalate the situation and they both understood that flynn would relate a message to kislyak immediately after speaking with mcfarland flynn called and spoke with kislyak with respect expect the sanctions flynn requested that russia not escalate the situation knock get into a quote tit for tat unquote and only respond to the sanctions actions in a reciprocal manner. There's no doubt that the transition team knows that the time that flynn is talking to kislyak. It's less clear if trump himself knows what's going on but it seems more likely than not mcfarland emailed transition team members that flynn is quote talking to russian combat later this evening on quote less than an hour later mcfarland briefed president elect trump bannon priebus sean spicer and other transition team members were present mcfarland recalled that at the end of the meeting someone may have mentioned to president-elect trump that flynn flynn was speaking to the russian ambassador that evening flynn and speaks to kislyak and reports back after the briefing flynn and mcfarland spoke over the phone own flynn reported on the substance of his call with kislyak including their discussion of the sanctions according to mcfarland flynn mentioned that the russian response to the sanctions was not going to be escalatory because they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration mcfarland also gave flynn a summary of her recent briefing with president-elect trump the day after the phone call on december thirtieth the russian foreign minister announces that russia will will respond to the sanctions but then the russians suddenly reverse course putin releases a statement that the russians won't be retaliating at all hours later president elect trump tweeted great move on delay by v putin on quote on december thirty i two thousand sixteen kislyak called flynn and told him the request had been received the highest levels and that russia had chosen not to retaliate to the sanctions in in response to the request two hours later flynn spoke with mcfarland and relayed his conversation with kislyak according to mcfarland flynn remarked that the russians wanted a better relationship and that the relationship was back on track flynn also told mcfarland that he believed. I believe his phone call had made the difference tonight. President-elect donald trump is out with new praise for vladimir putin applauding the russian president for withholding retaliatory sanctions on the u._s. The former director of national intelligence general james clapper clapper says in an interview that at the time he was puzzled by the lack of response well <hes> having watched <hes> the soviets and the russians for much of my professional life i i as others did found out <hes> strange that they didn't retaliate and when when when you heard about the intelligence that we had about the conversation between michael flynn general flynn and <hes> kislyak <hes> what did you take from that <hes> without going into the source of the information renew about everything but it would appear that would explain <hes> the non reaction shen on the part of the russians that response which incoming president president-elect trump <hes> praised on twitter. He said i always new putin was a smart man that response was red flag to to intelligence officials and they started to grueling some suspicious started start to analyze intercepts and reports cables that they had and that's when they turned up the call that that flynn and kislyak had had on the twenty ninth when the <hes> justice department f._b._i. Solve the content of that. They grew concerned -cerned that perhaps <hes> mike flynn in discussing the sanctions with kislyak might be in violation allegation of <hes> of law called logan act. It's an it's actually a seventeen ninety nine law that has never been prosecuted <hes> and it bans u._s. Citizens from intervening in foreign disputes with other <hes> countries and by raising the issue of sanctions with kislyak in a way that might undermine the the policy of the obama administration insulation flynn might well be in violation of this of this law. The question of whether this actually poses the legal problem under the logan act isn't isn't clear. It's a complicated law and there's a reason it's been very rarely used in the past but legal problem or not this looks very bad for the trump transition in team which is carrying out independent foreign policy and working against the obama team which is trying to hold russia accountable for election interference and so when flynn's call becomes public the trump team wise the fact of the call became public in on on january twelfth of the new year twenty seventeen when david ignatius columnist for the washington post reported on that phone call and he he wondered he raised the question in his in his column about whether sanctions had been discussed on that call at all and whether or or not was there any discussion of it was there any undermining of the sanctions that prompted denials from the incoming administration sean spicer's knew there had been no discussion of sanctions whatsoever and so when the washington post reported on the kislyak conversation they deny it. Sean spicer denies it. I talked to general flynn about again last night. One call talks about four subjects. One was was the loss of life that occurred in the plane crash that took their military choir to was christmas and holiday greetings three was to facility or talk about a conference in syria and isis and four was to set up a to talk about after the inauguration setting up a call between president putin and president president trump. Mike pence denies it. They did not discuss anything having to do with <hes> the united states decision to expel diplomats. That's or or <hes> an impose a century against russia so did they ever have a conversation about sanctions ever on those days or any other day that they did not have a discussion contemporaneous <hes> <hes> with a u._s. action and in his interview with the f._b._i. Shortly after he takes office as national security adviser michael flynn denies it two flynn told agents that he did not ask kislyak to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the united states is imposition of sanctions. That statement was false. Flynn also falsely told the f._b._i. That he did not remember a follow up conversation in which kislyak stated that russia had had chosen to moderate its response to the u._s. Sanctions as a result of flynn's request sergei kislyak being a a foreign diplomat in the united states. <hes> has his calls routinely intercepted wiretapped units. It's well known diplomats know that their calls are are tapped apt and mike flynn as a former veteran intelligence officer a should have known likely did no you know the these calls were intercepted opted or tapped in any case <hes> they came up with the intelligence officers and agencies came up with the with the call they they knew you what the content was and <hes> b._i. Pass this on to senior officials at the justice department something really odd about michael flynn in all of this <hes> i think the the the investigators who interviewed him even noted it it <hes> they were struck by how in the interview with flynn he he just flat out denied that he had ever discussed sanctions when they knew he had they had seen the the transcripts of the of the conversation. These these are veteran f._b._i. Agents done many many interviews like this and they were really stunned by to the point where things they thought was. There's something something quite not right with him that he could bligh like that so plane so easily on february thirteenth twenty seventeen michael flynn resigns as national security adviser king news donald trump's national security adviser michael flynn has resigned tonight just one month into his tenure amid growing concerns about his contact with the russian ambassador and whether he misled vice president pence about whether sanctions against russia were discussed from the period before the convention and straight through trump's inauguration russian officials are reaching out trying to translate trump's friendly tone towards putin into advantageous official policy. She is the russians doing directly at public events and through back channels in remote places. They're doing it through russian oligarchs and businessmen <music> as well as the russian ambassador who seems to be everywhere and the russians are doing this knowing full well. They've just intervened in an election on trump's behalf and that trump and his people know at two and trump is reciprocating. It takes two after all to meet it takes two to to set up backchannel altogether. It's quite a picture social media manipulation hacking and dumping the apparent targetting of campaign connected figures for engagement efforts to engage the campaign and the transition itself in hopes of resetting u._s. russia relations and then and there are the great many lies about at all but which parts of any of this actually violate the law. That's next time on the report and thank you for listening to part six of the report. This podcast is the main possible by the generous support of the william and flora hewlett foundation and the democracy fund and by listeners like you to support this project. Please go to a law fair blog dot com. The report is a production of law fair and goat rodeo in washington d._c. In enwright is the executive producer the law fair team. 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The Mueller Report - Pt. 8

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I'm your host A._G.. And with with me today is Jordan Coburn. Lou Jill Lisa Johnson is not feeling well today. So we're going to cover this part eight. <hes> this is our special coverage of the redacted Muller Report and today we're going to cover pages one forty four through one seventy three. It's a big chunk of the report <hes> <hes> and this is section B. of part four entitled post-election and Transition Period Contacts. We've spent the last few episodes covering part a which was all about the contacts with Russians during the campaign so that took what six episodes and so we're going to try to cover all the post election activity in one shot so buckle up you guys and also I just want to let you know we have the window open today so you might hear some nature and birds. We thought it appropriate because you know it's soothing so if you hear some birds in the background that's what's going on <hes> with our with our magical studio for today so almost immediately guys. We're just going to jump in here almost immediately. After trump won the election multiple attempts were made by Russia to establish contacts attacks with the trump administration and the transition team and these attempts were made through Kislyak and other individuals who sought contacts through Americans not formerly tied to the campaign or the transition team and Miller says here that he could not establish that the contacts constituted a tooted coordination between the trump campaign and Russia in its efforts to interfere in the election so subsection one now on that covers immediate post-election activity including outreach from the Russian government and high level encouragement of contacts through alternative channels not like a postmodern M._t._V. alternative chance. Just you know alternative other channels <hes> then sub subsection a which we call underpants so underpants a begins at three A._M.. On election night when hope Hicks gets a phone call on her personal cell from a person who sounded foreign she says but was calling from a D._C.. Area Code and she had a tough time understanding but got the words Putin call and then she told them to send an email Putin call so she pootie attain Yeah Pootie Tang. She got the email the next morning and it was from Sarah Gay <hes>. Let's see Kuzina Tov Kuznetzov <hes>. He's an official at the Russian embassy and I've kind of figure when I saw the D._C.. Area Code mentioned here that it was the Russian embassy in the subject line in the email all said message from Putin in which he offered his congratulations and said he looked forward to working with trump on improving relations with Russia so she forwarded that to Kush and <hes> we call Kushner Kush and asked him to look at it saying she didn't want to get duped you know but she also didn't want to blow off Putin so she didn't want to respond thinking it was Putin and it was not bitter something right or she didn't want somebody like you know like a some sort of troll sending an email saying hey this is Putin congratulations and ah it being like Bob down the street so Cousteau Congress <hes> when he testified that he called symes. That's the guy from the Center for National Interest Dimitri Simes the mayflower hotel guy and he asked the name of the ambassador. He's like hey what's the ambassadors name name <hes> just to double check and then Hicks told <hes> he conveyed the email to transition officials she she said it to them and trump and Putin spoke by phone five days later in the presence of Transition Team members including Flynn and they'll get into the details about how that whole meeting came. I'm about little bit later in the episode in the Miller report and in the episode because it's an episode about the mole report and we are following it linearly and there's a couple of questions that I had in this particular section about why some things were positioned in in certain in ways but I guess it all kind of make sense in the end so keep in mind hope Hicks recently testified to Congress again but refused to answer over one hundred fifty questions from during the transition and her time in the White House claiming something called absolute immunity which is not a thing and the footnotes notes at the bottom of the page <hes> which is on page one forty five here they refer to the three o' twos from Hicks and Flynn statements to Congress from Hicks and Kush and the emails and letters in question so muller had all that and then on depart be this is the a high level encouragement of contacts through alternative channels and this includes outreach from Dmitriev prints nater Kislyak Gorka off oven and divorced vich sounds like a really fucked up law firm yeah. I don't recognize often he yeah I didn't either and we'll get into who he is <hes> he he's a Russian national who heads alpha-bank <hes> and and how he this is this whole First Section is how he tried to explain to muller the flurry of Russian activity during the transition he told Muller that he's one of about fifty super-rich Russian business guys who regularly meet with Putin and these guys are often referred to as oligarchs defined it like remember earlier this year to when Oliveira Pasqua was trying to get sanctions lifted on him and he complained about being called an oligarch. I prefer billionaire so this <hes> pater oven said he met with Putin quarterly and all the oligarchs and he took those meeting seriously probably probably a good idea understanding that any suggestions Putin made were implicit directives and there would be negative consequences for avenue if he didn't follow through that whole meeting Lincoln the nod thing right and so he went to the fourth quarter meeting in two thousand sixteen this is the end of the year <hes> and it was as it was customary that quarterly meeting was preceded by a prepatory meeting with Putin's chief-of-staff Anton Vino okay first time I've heard that name to yes <hes> and so I guess it kind of makes sense that you know if you think about the governance and and the situation they have this quarterly meeting with all the rich dudes and Putin and then before four they have a prep meeting with Putin's chief of staff and <hes> the one on one in in the one on one meeting he had so eventually it gets to this point where Putin and often have a one on one meeting and Putin told to brace himself for Russian sanctions including some against Alpha-bank he also spoke with the difficulty he had getting in touch with the trump transition team and didn't know whom to formerly speak with to get through to them said this yeah <hes> often says that Putin says this an often told Putin he would try to get in touch with the incoming administration ministration to try to protect Russia and Alfa Bank against sanctions. Hey so we almost getting there. We have one outreach so far to try to get to the transition team to stop sanctions. The ones that Obama was going to impose probably for Russian election interference <hes> he ended up doing that <hes> we'll get to that in a bit <hes> the report refers to volume one part four be five and <hes> pity pivots to Camille Dmitriev and keep in mind net eventually Kislyak did speak to Flynn about sanctions twice in Flint told at least and Flint told him to tell Putin not to reciprocate to the sanctions and that you know everything it'd be cool and those conversations were ordered released by the judge in the Flynn case Sullivan but the government told them not to release those and they hadn't really publicly admitted that they even took place and we've been talking about this however they do later in the report they talk about these phone calls so we'll get there and on page one hundred forty seven Miller says Lavigne's description of his interactions with Putin or consistent with the behavior of correal Dmitriev a Russia national who who heads the Russia's sovereign wealth fund known as already I F and he and he's also close to Putin and Dmitriev was the Putin cut out that attended the Seychelles meeting which is covered also later in this section <hes> Dmitriev made several attempts to reach out to the trump team after the election who and one of which was he was contacted well. He contacted his friend from the U._A._e.. George Nader and asked him to introduce him to the trump transition team and trump transition officials and neater eventually arranged the Seychelles meeting between Dimitri of prints and Bannon Bannon and later also introduced me to Rick Garrison. That's the friend to Kushner that guy and they worked on that proposal for reconciliation between U._S. and Russia which Dmitriev said he cleared through Putin and garrison provided that proposal to Kushner before the inauguration and Kush Kush gave copies to Bannon and REX Tillerson we'll get to the details of that seem to <hes> so it seems like when Putin has his meetings with these oligarchs probably every individual meeting. He's telling them. I don't have a direct person again contacted talk about this meaning. Try please right there. It seems like there were multiple ways that and multiple targets that they were trying to infiltrate into not just the campaign which we've finished that section but now the transition team right especially with the impending sanctions coming so yeah so this actually made it to rex tillerson and <hes> Bannon so I guess it's confusing to me that that's okay right that that potentially a is going to shape their actual policy platforms yeah or at least there are back channel or at least their reaction to the sanctions right because they're not these people aren't registered with Fara when they're talking and doing all know and they are current administration either which violates the Logan Act and he never even talks about violations of the Logan Act in this report on that could be counterintelligence stuff. This might have all gone to counterintelligence would they would they need to have formerly registered as a Foreign Oren lobbyists basically for what they did here yeah I would think so. That's what I would think too yeah but maybe if he's not officially president yet or something then it doesn't like yeah but even lobbyists who aren't don't have anything to do with resident half to register. Greg Craig is on trial right now because he was was pushing the Ukraine Timoshenko Whitewashed Report <hes> that Skadden arps something meager and whatever skadden arps Cetera you know guys and vendors want put together with gates and Manafort and a fort and that's why he was part of that whole thing so and he was supposed to have to register as a foreign agent and that's all he did was try to get this report to some folks in the U._S.. So <hes> and he's on trial so it's weird that they're not right right and I'm wondering if this is all hidden and wrapped up in the counterintelligence stuff which we don't know anything about right now but we'll find out hopefully through Congress <hes> they're working on it quote Unquote Congress. So more continuous here about who DMITRIEV is and how if Russian he's Russian Wealth Fund the AF they co invested with the United Arab Emirates sovereign wealth funds <hes> and Dimitri if that's how Dmitri of regularly met with nature and nature is a senior advisor or to N._B._C. in connection with the R._D._F.'s dealings with the U._A._e.. So that's a lot of letters N._B._C. is Mohammed bin Ziyad. He is ahead of the U._A._e.. Right because we know Mohammed Bone saw or Mohammed bin Salman is <music> Saudi Arabia crown prince but this is N._B._C. and <hes> native Dmitriev work together a lot because his Russian Wealth Fund and the United Arab Emirates Russian Wealth Fund invested in a Lotta Shit together so <hes> usual interests he is then <hes> This is interesting nater developed contacts with both presidential campaigns during the two thousand sixteen election and kept Dmitriev apprised of his efforts so right there <hes> he was trying to develop nater was trying to develop contacts with the Clinton Campaign uh-huh and according to NATO Dimitrius Russia's preference was trump and asked her to help him meet members of the trump campaign <hes> so my assumption here because it never really comes up again is that you know nater develop these contacts tax with both campaigns to put his eggs in both baskets until somebody said we don't care about this one and we care about this one yeah so I think that's that's probably why it's even mentioned here. <hes> because Muller has said explicitly that there were no contacts or coordination or collusion or any thing between the Clinton campaign seed suggestion right and the Russian so according to NATO Dmitry of said Russia's preference was trump as I said and he asked Nater to help him and meet members of the trump campaign. This is Dmitri <hes> then there's a redacted sentence for grand jury material and a statement that nature did not introduce Dmitriev to anyone associated with the trump campaign before the election and then there's an entire paragraph redacted for grand jury material again and then the footnote show Nader's throw twos but nothing from Dmitriev which makes me think the grand jury stuff is Dimitrius testimony but I mean I don't know it's it's hard to guess yeah I don't either but I know that his testimony is a big deal. It would be and I don't so if we could have gotten career Dmitriev because you know was he in the United States. Why would he even help? I don't know <hes> motive and talks about Eric Prints. Who as we know was associated with a bunch of trump officials including trump band in junior and Roger Stone and and that's according to princes and Bannon's throw choose per last unredacted footnote and prince has no formal role in the campaign by the way but he issued policy papers on trade and election interference to Bannon policy papers on election interference? I I wish it expanded more on that <hes> to ban and <hes> he frequently visited the transition offices at trump tower mostly to meet with Bannon but sometimes with Flynn and others so that's kind of vague <hes> Princeton bannon discussed who should fill L. key national security positions although prince wasn't formally affiliated with the Transition Nater and redacted received assurances that he was a trusted associate <hes>. I don't know who redacted is N._B._C.. I don't know so now that Muller has explained who Dmitriev is. He goes on to discuss post-election contacts with the incoming trump administration were on page one forty nine but most of this is redacted due to investigative techniques and it sounds like a spy novel so check this out soon after midnight night on election night Dmitri of messaged redacted who was traveling to New York to attend to Twenty Sixteen World Chess Championship redacted Dmitry Peskov the Russian Federation Press Secretary who was also attending the event so guy who Saito was talking to yes he is. He's the guy that Cohen and Seder tried to contact for help with the trump tower Moscow and then there's a few more redacted sentences midnight chess tournament and then approximately two forty A._M.. On November Ninth Two Thousand Sixteen News reports stated that Clinton had called trump to concede at redacted redacted wrote to Dmitry of Putin has one God I know to somebody texted. Dimitrios saying Putin has one now after trump was elected after Clinton conceded now now. You may remember this but N._B._C. reported this past April that trump was invited to attend the chess championship that year and Muller asked him about it in his written questions so it was a of import and trump told me he didn't attend but he was invited and they asked him earlier in two thousand sixteen if he wanted to <unk> host the event at trump tower. Nothing sacred any more now chess is a place where she goes down. I know it makes me sad. <hes> so the president of the event Kearse on Ilya GMS Ilyumzhinov Allusion Off Okay he's as a sanction Russian oligarch probably goes to those parties <hes> and it's been reported that Putin used the World Chess Federation and its president to serve as a covert diplomatic vehicle for the Kremlin so these reductions could indicate that the person who sent sent the Putin has one text may have been a Russian agent under surveillance by the intelligence community because it's for investigative purposes so later that morning after the election Dmitriev contacted Nader and said he wanted to come meet with key people and later that day okay he flew to New York for the chess tournament and Peskov traveled separately and did the same went to the chess tournament Dmitrov asked Nader. If any trump people would be there and also asked him to invite Kushner so he could meet him. <hes> nature did not pass the message along to anyone. Although one World Chess Federation official recalled hearing from an attendee that trump himself it stopped by the tournament but Muller could not establish that trump or anyone from the campaign or transition team attended <hes> so why did muller bring it up probably because he knows somebody was there and he just didn't have of the evidence to say so. That's what I'm guessing otherwise why bring up the whole chest thing in the first place so neither told Miller that Dmitriev continued depress him to set up a meeting with transition officials and focused on Kush and junior and Dmitry of Said <hes> Artemisia said that the meeting would make history yeah sure sure has it's in the Miller report so all this makes you wonder about Eric Prints telling everyone that the Seychelles meeting with Dmitriev was just happenstance right think of all this that they went through to set this shit up up and they didn't even really talk about anything is what <hes> Eric Print said right so they just all happen to be there. Despite all of this setup Erik Prince's totally lying and I'm wondering why he hasn't been charged. There's another redacted sense here for grand jury material royal but was unable to set up any meetings with Dmitry of and the trump folks during that trip to New York but Dmitriev kept poking at Nader and in December <hes> he asked for a meeting in January or February and that evidence came from text messages from Dmitriev to nater according to footnotes and as we know Nader's phones were all confiscated because they eventually found porn on them child pornography and before we get to the Seychelles meetings since since then we have to remember that nature has recently been been arrested for those child pornography charges he he was charged under seal last year shortly after he gave all this information to muller and then skipped country <hes> and he was arrested the minute he set foot back in the United States. <hes> that's what's going on with George Nader. He is is another pedophile that trump this friends with all right onto page one fifty one about Eric Prince Dimitri of in the Seychelles Meeting <hes> that's the one prince said meant nothing yet muller dedicate six pages to it in his report totally happenstance means nothing and and if you've been listening to Muller Muller she wrote you know all about this meeting. We've talked about it at length so nature communicated with prince that Dmitriev wanted to meet with him and sent Prince Dimitrios bio analyst of Nice Things Dmitri upset about trump look really really likes to <hes> Prince opened the file so muller knows Prince opened the file and read them within an hour from trump <hes> within an hour from getting them and he was at trump tower when he opened them and told Muller <hes> he was at trump tower prince told molar where he was out trump tower that day meeting with Kellyanne Conway Wilbur Ross Steve Mnuchin and others while we need to meet with Bannon <hes> Muller says cell site evidence shows Prince remained at trump tower for about three hours that day but prince told Miller he did not recall whether or not he met with Bannon or or that they discussed Dmitriev. I can't imagine he was there for three hours. And if Bannon was there as well he didn't meet yeah or discuss that he was meeting with Dmitriev or who Dmitriev was and then there's a redacted grand jury sentence and that could be bannon's testimony. I don't know but all that shit went down in early. January twenty seventeen and by January seventh prince had booked a ticket to the Seychelles and then the next day Nader wrote Dmitriev saying he had a pleasant surprise for him that he'd arranged for him to meet with Prince and Nater invited Dmitry Mitri of to the Seychelles for January twelfth five days later. Can you imagine how much a ticket to the Seychelles out a five day. Notice would call yeah. I have no idea where to Seychelles are far and beautiful <hes> that's just nuts so the next day dmitry fascinating nater if the meeting would be worthwhile and this seems to happen a lot in this in this section everyone's like is this guy worth your time. Is this guy a piece of shit. WHO's this guy? Is he good or is he stupid and Flynn. Does it with Kislyak too. It's funny so then anyway there's some redacted someone whose name is redacted told Mueller Dmitriev wasn't enthusiastic about meeting with Prince but nater assured him that he wielded influence with the incoming administration <hes> this guy has designated by Bannon to meet you and remember how prince was saying. I wasn't a you know representing the trump campaign yeah well he was designated by Bannon <hes> and and he said I know him well and he's very very well connected trusted by the new team. His sister is now the minister of Education. It is Betsy Devos of course so nater told Muller that Prince had led him to believe that Bannon was aware of the upcoming meeting and Prince acknowledged it was right for nature to think that prince would pass information onto the transition team but man and told me that Prince did not tell him in advance Vance about the Seychelles and that's you know that's why Prince that's why Muller was like Prince was there for three hours said he never met with Bannon and then Bannon told Muller he didn't meet with them and didn't tell them about the Seychelles meeting which means they totally fucking met talked about the Seychelles meeting when he was at trump tower that day like it but he he doesn't acknowledge that it might come up in the Dukla Nations <hes> in section five which will go over next week but onto page one fifty three in the Seychelles meeting. We've heard all about this. Dmitry Garad Dmitriev arrived at the four seasons on January eleventh very nice where Nader and N._b._c. were staying N._B._C.. was there at the hotel but he he I guess just the actual meaning right so prince also arrived on the eleven and Princeton Dmitriev met in Natives Villa Villa for about thirty to forty five minutes and was there for that meeting and then there's a redacted sentence for grand jury stuff followed by quote Prince described the eight years of the Obama Administration in negative terms and stated he was looking forward to a new era of cooperation and conflict resolution so he's that's what <hes> prince told Muller and according to Prince he told Dmitri of the Bannon was effective and prince provided policy papers to Bannon so he's trying to you know say Bannon's got influence right and then there's a redaction sandwich and the unredacted statement in the middle says Prince added he would tell bannon about his meeting with Dimitri of and if there's interest in continuing the discussion abandoned would do so so the. <hes> this sort of kind of be like totally throat throws in the face or you know defies the logic that that ban and prince didn't meet the day or in the days leading up to him flying to meet in the Seychelles. How's it just doesn't make sense especially with bannon coming up at this meeting so often and this is something I hadn't heard yet but when Prince got back to his room after the meeting House Miller no this <hes> he learned that he learned that Russia sent an aircraft carrier to Libya and then and prince coordinator and asked for another meeting with Dmitry of telling him Libya's off the table and at the second meeting prince told Dmitri of the U._S. could not accept any Russian involvement in Libya because it would make the situation worse <hes> then there's a redacted sentence for grand jury stuff and the footnote about out this is partially redacted but the unredacted part says that Prince denied whatever was redacted and said he was making these remarks to Dmitry of not in an official capacity but based on his experience as a formal naval officer so it seems there's some kind of interference? It's <hes> that he was inference that he was speaking on behalf of the incoming administration <hes> in an official capacity even though he told me he was not yeah but it's it's just one of those things where it's like if you were recommended by Bannon and you have a connection to that one hundred percent that's undeniable. Why are you there if you're not speaking on behalf of the station and I think that's kind of what Muller's trying to an easy illustrate totally and he's using words like we're looking forward to changing how we do conflict resolution shannon stuff what like as a private citizen you're personally looking forward to it as a formal naval officer right like I just want to tell you about Libya at from my experience of the Navy we don't want it to escalate does that or to think they wouldn't take it as that assuming the absolute best which is like very hard even go to that place with these people yeah? Unfortunately you need that you know that <hes> smoking gun center Italy so after the second meeting Dmitriev told nature he was disappointed disappointed in the meetings for two reasons first he believed the Russians needed to be communicating with someone who had authority and second he had hoped to have a discussion of greater substance like outlining a roadmap for countries both countries to follow and then there's a weirdly partially redacted sentence which I'll just read you quote Dmitri tree of told Nader that redacted prince's comments redacted redacted were insulting redacted and that's for grand jury material so maybe he was just like I don't like Prince Prince is a deck. I WanNa talk to Bannon yeah or something like that. You know what I mean. Prince Prince talked abandoned. Bannon knows we're here. I want to talk to ban it. Fuck this guys a Dick Yeah. I wonder if it's because he was talking about foreign policy stuff. Maybe saying like yeah like Libya's too messy. We're not going to get involved in Libya or or or just <hes> maybe anti Russian aggression sentiments or something yeah or probably my guess is that Dmitry of and and you know wanted him to stop sanctions from happening and prince was like I know I try my best but you know Blah Blah Blah or something to that effect like I you know I can't convince the president or the incoming president to not put sanctions and I have no oh control over the Obama administration and it would be not correct for me to try to influence <hes> <hes> foreign policy before you know during transition because we're not in office yeah but maybe not because weren't there <hes> some sort of stories about them. Googling the Logan Act that brings it wasn't mcgann Don mcgann and I think it was check themselves. Yeah I think it was after they learned that Flynn lied to the F._B._i.. It was mcgann had googled about lying to the F._B._i.. And about the Logan Act so that's funny that is funny. That's probably what this shit has to do with like all of this policy influence and later. We talk about that <hes> U._N.. Vote that they tried to influence went the trump transition team trying to influence before he was president. It's just weird yeah googling the Logan Act. I'll tell you what's in it buddy. This is that you're not allowed to do yet. Somehow no one was charged with it. It's just weird and I. I'm hoping that when we get to the declamations coronations were Muller says he wasn't charged for what and why I hope he addresses the Logan Act we'll find out we'll find out all right so then within hours of that second meeting where apparently prince was a Dick print sent to texts to Bannon Bannon but of course they're not in communication about this meeting at all <hes> but Muller was unable to obtain the content of those <hes> member our say that key piece of information isn't isn't there so he wasn't able to obtain the content and Muller also did not identify evidence any evidence of communication between Prince and Dmitriev so I'm wondering here if the office saw that there were text messages but the content had been raised or if they couldn't locate the messages at all that was what I was wondering when I read this passage because in previous yes passages in the report muller state specifically with the course he stuff for example that he was unable to find evidence that the messages existed at all of course he said he tweeted he couldn't find any tweets that there was any evidence that they existed but here he says that there were messages but he couldn't get the content and and that's a big difference in the footnote for the statement about print sending texts to ban and <hes> texts to ban and indicates that the source was call records between prints and a name redacted for grand jury material which we know to be abandoned so abandoned must steve testified that he received the messages and Muller must've verified through call records but the content had been raised so this is another one of those pieces of evidence Miller could get because they were encrypted erased or otherwise destroyed then on the middle of page one fifty five regarding princes meeting with Bannon after he returned from the Seychelles according to Prince <hes> and his interview with the F._B._i.. He told Nater he would inform Bannon about his discussions with Dmitriev and that someone within the Russian power structure wanted better relations with the trump team so he basically told bannon according to Prince Interview <hes> he says he told banding about about all the meetings and shit but they seemed upset and prince was a nobody basically so princeton abandoned met abandoned house in mid-january and and he briefed him about the meeting prince told Muller that he explained abandoned that Dmitry was the head of the Russian Wealth Fund and wanted to improve relations between Russia and the U._S. and print showed muller a screen shot of Dimitrios wikipedia page from January sixteenth and said he showed it to Bannon and said that Bannon was not interested but Bannon told Muller he never discussed Dmitrov can never discussed the wealth fund or any meetings with prince at all and sadly millerton determine who is lying because their messages had been erased prince's phone contain no text messages even though his service provider records indicate that he and abandoned texted dozens of times so that's this is exactly what I thought so there's muller saying exactly what we were thinking right. The messages existed but they'd been destroyed so prince deny deleting them and seems surprised that he had no texts on his phone prior to March two thousand seventeen none well. I don't know if this is the case but there's a setting on your iphone where it automatically deletes old things after like a year but that is again assuming the absolute best yeah well. You seem surprised yeah. Maybe got it set to do that or maybe that's the default setting yeah but it's looking <hes> it's looking more so that that's not the case but bannon's device also had no texts and Muller. He told me he didn't know where they were. He didn't know why they weren't there. Bannon told me regularly used his blackberry for work related communications but took no steps to preserve them. It's like dude you don't you don't have to take steps to not delete text messages. You just don't delete them yeah but maybe maybe what happened here. I don't know that's a benefit of the doubt a huge benefit of the doubt they also have never heard of blackberry seeing that no and I think it's just saying you have to like intentionally turn on to <hes> <hes> which is a bad move on your part. I'm positive it's something you have to turn on actually so you have to opt into it yeah default yeah. You have to find it in your settings and intentionally do that interesting because that'd be really dumb to right there like it's fine. I'm just GONNA in my work phone when which I'm discussing crazy things all the time because of the nature of high work. I don't need to save these. Let the phone decide when the communications get deleted. We're only running for president. None of these will come in handy in the future. Yeah that's just stupid. Are you guys. Hey we're going to take a really super short. Quick break be right back. Hey guys this is A._G.. 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We are at the bottom of page one fifty six and this is where we get to the contacts between Dmitriev in Kushner's re garrison so Dmitriev was introduced to Pearson by nature and Gibson runs a hedge fund in New York in told Mueller he had no formal role in the transition and no involvement in the trump campaign other than casual chats with cushy bed so Gerson runs a hedge fund in New York and told Miller he had no formal role in the transition and no involvement in the trump campaign other than in casual chat with Kush about it cat like I just imagined like you know the beginning of the sweater song <hes> <hes> wait. Is it the sweater Song Weezer Yeah we're. They're all just hey man you go into the party tonight yeah Bro. It's going to be great yeah totally beer. This is just what I imagined garrison. Yes <hes> and Kush doing yeah totally that's great. I think that's actually them in the beginning yeah yeah it was very forward thinking of of Weezer that's why everyone loves them very very yes <hes> but but then after the election gears in assisted the transition team by arranging meetings for trump folks with Tony Blair and a U._A._e.. Delegation led by N._B._C. and Tony Blair is the former prime minister of the U._K.. Yes yes <hes> <hes> I grew up on that guy yeah yeah that's right yeah <hes> Dmitri Oven Gerson also that's a huge overstatement. I recognize his name from childhood as we grew up my buddy and me. the driven gear soon i met to discuss business opportunities between the r._d._f. <hes> russian sovereign wealth fund and carson's hedge fund because dimitri of wanna to improve economic cooperation between russia in the u._s. and thought gear send would be a good contact act yeah they all wanna make money <hes> gears and actually told dmitri if he would meet with him but they had to keep secret because of the bad look of holding the trump or the meetings before trump took power so pearson told him he would ask kush in flynn who the key people would be on security and economic matters so he knew he wasn't supposed to meet with russians prior to inauguration yeah right <hes> and so gibson told molar that the transition team asked him not to meet with dmitry of and that he did so as a private citizen for personal sooner reasons such bullshit they told me not to me with them it is and i wonder how much that actually flies if they could i mean i imagine you know if they had those other missing pieces of evidence to actually charge any formal amount of coordination but i feel like the millerton guys are sitting there like yeah <hes> idiots you think we're all done here but they're not they just know that they need a very <hes> so on the same day dmitry of asked nater whether meeting with princess worthwhile dmitriev sent his biodegr- pearson asking asking him to send it to coach he also ask your sin about prints and if he was worthwhile there's a lot of that going around <hes> yeah principles being a mentally insecure guy all these people asking if he's often <hes> so here we just have dmitri of looking for a dozen ways to penetrate the incoming administration <hes> on january sixteenth four days before inauguration to meet your put together a plan for improving russia u._s. relations he and garrison had been working on and it had five main points so i point is fighting terrorism second point is anti weapons of mass destruction efforts third point is win win economic investment initiatives also read as making us rich <hes> number four maintaining attaining an open dialogue number five open my ass that's that's private back channels exactly <hes> and number five being ensuring proper communications using key people from each country which also screams backchannel also screams like don't sign that prince guy again we hate that we had a number five just after these <hes> so then on january eighteenth gears and gave a copy of kush and explain him who dmitriev was kush then gave it to bannon and tillerson but told muller neither of them followed up with him on it on the nineteenth the next day dmitry of sent a copy to nater so pearson told mitri of he gave it to kush and a week later dmitry of told gear seine then putin wanted to know if anyone who given any feedback dmitriev said he didn't want to rush things but that his boss was asking to have key u._s. meetings set up within two weeks dmitriev informed pearson that putin and trump would speak by phone that saturday and that the information was very confidential <hes> so the russians knew about the call well before we did and dmitriev wrote to nato on july to urge january twenty eight to confirm putin could use ideas from the document for the call an apparent reference reference to the trump putin called yeah and also a question like is it cool that putin has seen this then i gave this to putin <hes> because i'm going to be cool ram yeah and then nater said definitely it was submitted to team by rick and me and they took it seriously ashley so after the call gear to dmitriev to say the call went well and dmitriev replied to that <hes> replied that the document they drafted played an important role so then we're onto the part we're onto part three on page one fifty nine now we're talking talking about ambassador kislyak's meeting with jared kushner in flynn in trump tower following the election so now we rewind back to november just after the election when catherine vargas kushner's assistant <hes> i don't remember her name no she's new for me to <hes> <hes> got a message for meeting with kislyak she's ended to kush saying setting up a dime to meet with you time that's my type setting up a day go yeah i was like i feel feel like they would include that they would that would be a misquote witness so setting setting a time to meet with you on twelve one let me know how to proceed kushner responded in relevant part yeah and what i want i want to explain what that means there's a longer email here but what muller is doing is he's picking up part of the email saying kushner responded in relevant part here's the relative right but i wanna know what else is in the email yeah <hes> so could decide what's relevant bob so kushner kushner says i think i do this one confirmed with signs that this is the right guy the right guy <hes> did he not know kislyak was the russian ambassador argus reached out and then reported back that this was indeed the right guy for routine matters and that yeary ushakov was the contact for more substantial matters so meanwhile weird because i i hadn't heard or i had but i hadn't really registered the yuri luzhkov before <hes> but it's it's interesting as the report goes on because he's mentioned a couple more times here and yeah and i i have some feelings about that totally well there's gotta be a bunch of names that were higher up and closer to putin they weren't directly involving in trying because so much of this is just trying to establish a connection you know so there's a whole ring of people that were above honestly all the stuff that was happening you have it they might have at least actually had conversations with erie yeah yeah but we don't know it doesn't come up so but his name is brought up and i again muller doesn't bring shit up unless it's relevant because you remember this report is actually a really tiny tiny summary of millions of documents payments in emails and evidence in grand jury materials and testimonies and and and so if something's in here it's because it's relevant to something so he's bringing up your you shook off for a reason and yeah i just don't know what it is yet probably come back around later <hes> <hes> into meanwhile foresman that bank i had tried to get trump to speak at the economic forum in russia told the office that he told flynn and katie mcfarland that while kislyak was important he didn't have a direct line of putin and russia cough would be the official channel for the national security advisor that's insane yeah i know when i read that i was like dot is why this usua- cough guy is important and and i'll i'll tell you now and you might run into this again later <hes> but remember how sullivan had ordered the dowd voicemail be released and he ordered that the transcripts of the kislyak flynn conversations be released and the government many media sake no no no no no you can't have those and sullivan went okay which i didn't expect him to just roll over on but there's talk about there being other conversations between flynn and and other people and i'm wondering if it's not this issue cough guy yeah but it doesn't come up that is pretty crazy them being like hey this is going to be your fricken backchannel dude yeah this is your direct line i mean i know national security adviser right i know they say official channel but i don't get the sense that they intended that to be through all of the proper protocols that they're supposed to be going through <hes> so foresman told the office that flynn did not ask him to undertake that inquiry in russia but said he felt obligated to report the information back to flynn and he tried to get a face to face meeting with clinton january so he could do so email suggested meeting went forward but flynn has no recollection of it or the earlier december meetings eli is that has to rely them <hes> then in parentheses which i haven't seen yet <hes> muller says says the investigation did not identify evidence of flynn or kush meaning with zhukov after being given his name and that footnotes from kushner's assistance f._b._i. through two right and so that was another thing that tipped me off is that he specifies that ah flynn or kush had didn't have a meeting with zhukov after being given his name like why why would you put that in there can't you just say they didn't have a meeting with chak off yeah it kind of reads like so they didn't do anything nothing wrong there that's kind of how i read it yeah but i don't know i just i've seen it said that like i feel like it would have stated that the investigation did not identify evidence of flint or kush meeting with zhukov period yeah yeah i guess the problem it would establish more you know guilt i guess if they had done it especially after they were giving his name after being told he's a direct line to bannon o. <hes> but even though i thought wasn't the best point person having been told he did not have a direct link to putin he met with kislyak at trump tower on november thirtieth two thousand sixteen and it is conceivable to back to the issue coughing that you know maybe it maybe they did meet after being given his name and they just didn't have any evidence of it destroyed all evidence of about it or it's all under faisal stuff but there's nothing redacted here in the report so that leads me to believe that it's not somehow elsewhere you know so i don't know yeah <hes> so they set up a meeting with kids like trump tower november thirty two thousand sixteen flint also attended abandoned was invited but did not attend so in the thirty minute meeting kush told kislyak one to repair russian relations and ask kislyak to identify the best person to have future discussions with out <hes> because it's not you right because people told him kislyak gained ship yeah i think he was trying to find out totally is decis cough the dude <hes> <hes> yes someone who had contact with putin is what he was looking for and the ability to speak on behalf of him <hes> so they also discussed the u._s. policy towards syria and kislyak proposed having russian generals brief the team using a secure communications haitians line flynn said there was no secure line to the transition team so kush asked if they could use secure facilities at the russian embassy well yeah i remember when that story came out well kislyak quickly rejected that dumb fucking like dude well no no we can't have members of the transition team navy the president-elect's I try to be trying to get us to do that's true <hes> so now we're going to get back to Flynn in a minute because we know that you guys are dying to discuss his record conversations with Kislyak that the government still won't admit exists and we have heard from Judge Sullivan Flynn's lawyer that there could be other conversations which makes us think he spoke to the Ishikawa Fellow but first moolah brings up Kushner's meeting with Sergei Gorkov on the top page of one sixty one so when we last left Kushner he had decided Kislyak when we think of soap opera he had decided Kislyak. He's alone on an island literally do he had decided Kislyak wasn't the guy to me too because he didn't have a line of Putin so in December he turned down a few meetings with him so Kush sent his underling Avi Berkowitz to meet with Kislyak instead and they met on December twelfth at trump tower for for a few minutes in Kislyak had the sad because he wanted to meet with Kush Kislyak told Berkowitz that he wanted Kush to meet with Sergei Gorkov who had a direct line to Putin and was the head of Vinick Conham because God on on Wgn Wait Videsh Conham Bank vnesheconombank v A._U.. The Jesus Christ and once you get it it doesn't it just like a bunch of dudes walking around saying. Are you important. Are you important now. You're not important enough. Are you. Important Jordan are you important. You're not important enough and just like testing each other's importance if they speak for trump and Putin and it just it seems like they're all just kind of vetting each other walking around trying to see who's important enough to set up a back channel with or is this just waste of time because they deal with guys like Carter page of Popadopoulos who are Douchebag fucked bases a can't get them shit yeah yeah. It's like two kids in high school that are interested in each other and all their underlings at WanNa prove themselves and their worth to them or like talk to her for you. It's like suck at this did <hes> so Kush agree to meet with Gorkov next day even though V._d._b.. was under sanctions imposed in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea coach didn't recall any discussion about sanctions against phoebe during the meeting or yeah or any Russian sanctions for that matter. No <hes> Kush told the F._B._i.. That he didn't do any prep for the meeting. Nope nor did he or anyone on the transition team even Google Gorkov but Berkowitz told Miller he did Google. I feel like you could find that information formation but I dunno during the meeting Gorkov gave like I would think muller could yeah yeah during the meeting Gorkov Gate of Kush painting in the back of dirt from Belarus. It's funny when everybody before you knew what it was. <hes> 'cause I think because Belarus's where Kush families from just to just be handed a bag of dirt seriously I wonder if it was like remember Cohen's bag of boxing gloves and whatever I wonder if it was just so a plastic grocery bags from Belarus say it's <hes> it's <hes> irradiated so don't open it yeah so Chris Your family's from there. I guess they thought that was that's that's sweet. That's a nice love language. That Bagai has a painting painting. What is this is? He's been courted for marriage family gifts because you gotTa know like finally these you know Kislyak and prince you know but now you've got Kushner and now you got gourcuff right. GOURCUFF has a direct line to Putin and Kushner has a direct line to trump now. These are big dogs. Definitely here's your bag of dirt for being not Eric Prints I guess yeah and of course when asked about these meetings meetings are this meaning Kushner gourcuff account of the meeting didn't match Kusch said they talked broadly about diplomatic stuff and how Obama sucked at dealing with Russia and Kusch said he most definitely did not mention how he was up to his ears in debt with is six fifth avenue the new building which we call the devil building for obvious reasons <hes> but V._D._b.. Made a public statement suggesting gourcuff met with Kush in his capacity as a C._E._o.. Of Kushner companies to discuss business and DOT Diplomacy v said this meeting was as part of a series of roadshow meanings quote unquote which included negotiations and discussion of the most promising business lines in sectors yeah discussion of that one point four billion dollar debt that <hes> that Kushner on on the Devil Building Mhm <hes> so then foresman had a different take because he met with Gorkov V._D._B.. Deputy Chair Nicolay cimh cons cimh Kaczynski in Moscow before Gorkov went to America to meet with Kush and they told him they were going to meet with Kush to discuss post-election issues with U._S.. Financial issues and that their trip was sanctioned by Putin and they were instructed to report back to him after the meeting Miller says at the top of page one sixty three that he could not resolve the conflict in the three stories but there was no substantial of follow up after the meeting but a few days after the meeting core Crops Assistant Texas Kushner's assistant saying hi please inform your side that the information about the meeting had a very positive response and club there were few other texts but but that was about the end of that communication then onto part five about Petra lavigne's outreach efforts to the transition team in December twenty sixteen a few weeks after his face to face meeting with Putin Petrov even attended a meeting of all the oligarchs and who like all the king's birthday all the king's horses and other and I'm sorry but I have type with my thing auto corrected instead of Petr Aven it's pet raven yeah and now I WANNA call him pet raven from now on Putin's pet raven. That's really cool if we go that Potter vibe too and I like it yes a recall for a pet raven down yeah <hes> so pet raven attended a meeting of all the guards and Putin Putin where the main topic of discussion was the prospect of new sanctions on Russia from the U._S.. <hes> checks out he then tried to reach out to trump transition team trump transition team fuck trump's transition team the triple team. It's awful awful tongue-twister takeout t-bone yeah yeah so the tried to reach out to the team instructing Richard Burt to contact them so Bert worked with oven or Raven <hes> in was also on the board of Alpha-bank where his main job facilitate introductions to business contacts in the U._S. and other Western countries <hes> <hes> while at a work meeting with birds often told burt that people high up in the Russian government wanted to set up a communication channel between the Kremlin and the trump team team and asked him for contact Info Burt said that even though he established a lot of connections for oven this one was unusual and outside the normal realm of his dealings with Ivan. If you're anybody you doing okay you're asking me to do something kind of <hes> back-back generally if you'll remember burr is also a member of the Board of the Center for national interest in approach signs the president of C._N._N.. Because he remembered signs had a relationship with Kush Burke called signs and asked asked if he could set up a meeting with Kush to establish back channel of communication between Putin and the trump team science told mullarkey declined and told Bert it wasn't a good idea in light of media attention. That's one way to put it yeah right. So I'm still muller. He saw their onto a yeah. I'm just calmed down her second time solar. He thought burt was seeking a secret. Channel and science didn't want C._N._i.. To be seen as an intermediary between the Russians and trump oh so he knew it was wrong to yeah okay cool yeah <hes> so bert then sent an email to Ogden that related what signs it said but indicated that they could pick it up again after the New Year but his warning is weird he said quote through a trusted third party. I have reached out to the very very influential person I mentioned and quote Berthold Bullard the very influential person with signs but that the trusted third party he just made up and no such person existed often replied quote. Thank you all clear in quote and often told Muller caller that meant he didn't want the outreach to continue even though Bert spoke to often sometime later about his attempt to make contact with the trump team saying quote the current environment made it impossible and quote followed by redacted bit for grandeur materials does seems teams wrong. <hes> thank you all clear means. This is over no yeah I think it means go ahead yeah. I don't know <hes> <hes> then it says burt did not recall discussing ovens request with signs again nor did he recall speaking to anyone else else about the request that makes seem symes is under the redacted part so we'd put beans on him having testified to the grand jury. We'll see maybe or not <hes> mostly because there are footnotes that signs had an interview with the F._B._i.. But there there are no other signs footnotes just reacted graduate fitness so in the first quarter of twenty seventeen often again with Putin and other Russian officials and Putin asked about offense attempt to set up a back channel and often told him it was a bust walk then redacted sentence then it says Putin continued to inquire about offense efforts to connect him to the trump administration in several subsequent meetings yeah and these are the this is one of those quarterly giant Oligarch Putin parties that they have joint meetings ratings and Putin's like what's going on. It's like failed yeah. Did they probably have bomb food there. Yeah I bet I hate all the guards but I live they dine. Yes really Great Place called Pack Papa Pomegranate on Alcohol and Boulevard Huh have the Best Shush leak in the mole universe yeah anyway yeah <hes> often also told Putin's chief of staff that he had been subpoenaed by the F._B._i.. And that he'd been asked if he worked to create a back channel between Russia and the trump administration often told muller that he you didn't seem to care <hes> so there's a brief section on Carter page is contact with Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Arcadi arcade sure how that's pronounce yeah I don't either I'll say arcade arcade arcade divorce Vich and I would just come to me at the top of page one sixty six in December after the election nearly two months after page was fired from the trump campaign patriots in Moscow to pursue business opportunities then there's a reductive sentence for grand jury information but we <hes> kick back in with telling US Kalinic told him that page was blabbing all over Moscow that he still had connections to trump which I imagine you would use if you're trying to get more business connections kind of a it is a good car to play. It seems like a lot of doing in that anyway so to sell their access and knowledge or whatever about trumper to be like you want to do an oil do with me because I know trump <hes> I know they work. Kalinic sent an email to manafort about it saying Carter pages in Moscow today sending messages suggests that he's authorized to talk to Russia on behalf of D._T.. On a range of issues of mutual interest including Ukraine so he got snitched on a nice way to put it yeah yeah it is when you think about it and that's another that's pretty close connection connection between clinic and Manafort right just further establishing their ties <hes> so while Moscow page went to dinner with slow Awebber who we know that Guy <hes> who contacted the deputy prime minister mortgage and invited him to the dinner he showed up and congratulated. Aided page on trump's win and asked page if he could connect him with the transition another one this is just a whole bunch of rushes trying to get access to the transition team through compromise Douche bags basically <hes> then there's an entire redacted paragraph with one sentence in the middle we can read read that says Dorka Vich apparently discussed working together in the future by forming an academic partnership. We'll be school pals and then that's the end of that so page is a stage a target just like Kush in Papa doc among others <hes> page one sixty seven. We you have a brief section on context of Flynn Molar tells us he was the conduit for communications between the trumps and trump transition and Russian ambassador <hes>. I think this is a setup for the sanctions phone calls it says Flint dealt with too you sensitive matters during the transition including a U._n.. Security Council vote in the upcoming U._S. sanctions for Russian interference in the election as <hes> to the sanctions flint spoke by phone with Katie Macfarlane to prep for his call with Kislyak McFarland was with trump trump and other high level officials at mar-a-lago when the call came in molar determined that trump did not ask flynn to speak to Kislyak about Russia's reaction to the sanctions but Flynn did ask Kislyak not to escalate the situation in response response to U._S.. Sanctions imposed December twenty ninth and Kislyak later reported to Flynn that the Russians listened and they did that's what happened. I think it's a note here that Miller does not mention that these were phone calls. <hes> there are no redacted parts here. He only knows that Flynn plead pleaded guilty to making false statements to the F._B._i.. But the calls are themselves are not mentioned but we know there are recordings of the calls or at least transcripts because judge Sullivan who's the judge presiding over Flint's case had had asked for those transcripts to be released to the public so the government objected in Sullivan withdrew that order but we did get the voicemail recording of trump's attorney calling flynn's attorney dangling apart in and threatening him not to spill the beans to molar <hes> so anyhow muller wants to talk about the U._N.. Vo On Israeli settlements first and then starts at the bottom of page one sixty seven so before trump took office but after he won Egypt submitted a resolution to the U. N. Security Council calling on Israel Israel to stop West Bank settlement activity the vote was scheduled for the following day December twenty seconds there is speculation in the media that the Obama Administration would not oppose the resolution flynn told the F._B._i.. That the trump team regarded the vote as a significant issue and wanted to support Israel by opposing the resolution on the day of the vote apparently trump and his gaggle of douches reached out to other countries to find out how they were going to vote and to try to get them to support a delay of the vote until trump was empowered knowing that trump was going to oppose it Kush led the effort on the transition team side and Flynn was responsible for the Russian government and here Muehler says that Morning Flynn called Kislyak and ask that Russia oppose or delay later that day trump himself spoke with El Sisi Egypt's president about the ultimately Egypt postpone the vote on December Twenty Third Malaysia New Zealand Senegal and Venezuela resubmitted the resolution throughout the day members of the trump team kept contacting countries to oppose the vote but when Flint spoke doc to Kislyak Kislyak told him Russia would not oppose the resolution and the resolution passed fourteen zero with the U._S.. Abstaining yeah and this is before trump took office. Yes definitely just WANNA make that like super clear yeah yeah totally well. I mean U._S.. Has always been a huge ally Israel regardless of what people WANNA say. We've been incredibly friendly to them like all the time pretty much with a lot of their dynastic efforts but that's all I'll say about that <hes> <hes> then then we get to the sanctions discussions on page one sixty eight as we know Obama sign the sanctions on December twenty eighth and then expelled thirty five Russians and close to Russian compounds all in response to Russian election interference at the time trump McFarland Farland bannon and priebus were at mar-a-lago in Flynn was on vacation in the Dominican Republic but was in daily contact with McFarland Russia initiated the outreach when Kislyak Texted Flynn December twenty eighth saying call me Bro <hes> Flynn didn't on Yeah Flynn did not respond that evening then someone from the Russian Embassy called Flynn the next morning but they did not talk the sanctions were announced publicly December twenty ninth and that day McFarland emailed multiple transition team members about the impact of the sanctions and the team member named Flaherty Texted Flint a New York Times article about the sanctions these emails we presume are the emails Muller was able to obtain from the G._S._A.. which is news that came out this week <hes> no this was remember a long time ago when <hes> The guy who Guiliani trump installed to be in charge of the G._S._A.? Died and when Muller just went and asked for the transition emails from the G._S._A.. They just handed him over yeah and they were like Whoa yes. They totally forgot their guy who was supposed to protect. Those emails. Just totally died totally. I think that those are those emails and this week with G._S._A.. Oh that's the F._B._I.. Building Hoover building debacle scandal trump doesn't what the F._B._I.. To move out of that building because he's afraid of hotel will take over and it's right across the street and the G._S._A.. Are the ones who that were were. Were in charge of helping that move yeah yeah then nope that happens. There's there's a lot of Comedians I honestly and this I the only reason I know this is because I work in D._C.. So totally okay that makes sense <hes> okay so later that night Bannon told McFarland of the sanctions would hurt trump's ability to repair relations with Russia and McFarland Ireland told Bannon that Kislyak and Flynn. We're going to speak later that night. So Flynn told Muller HE DIDN'T WANNA call Kislyak about the sanctions until he spoke to the team at mar a Lago he spoke with Michael Dean a transition team member he talked to McFarland for about twenty minutes chance to discuss what to communicate Kislyak about the sanctions they talked about how the sanctions could hurt trump's goals and how they did not want Russia to escalate and they both understood that Flynn would relay a message to Kislyak in hopes the situation. We didn't get out of hand. This is all according to Flynn and given the current news with him. <hes> we doubt pretty much anything that he said so meaning like he's just sort of gone from a macro operator to unindicted co-conspirator yeah and he's got this new lawyer who's a fruitcake yeah and he's rolling back his guilty. Plea essentially like Kinda Zhang Qian stuff yeah but even today they're like no he stay in it. They want it. They want it both ways yeah <hes> so anyway. We'll see how it turns out but yes. He's definitely lately not the <hes> ally that the government thought he was <hes> so here Miller says Flynn called and spoke with Kislyak and requested that Russia escalates but only respond in a reciprocal manner <hes> then this starts getting weird McFarland Ellen told a bunch of transition members that Flynn was speaking to Kislyak she had the Congo's of Bannon and priebus and then sent an email to transition members less than an hour after that email she briefed trump bannon pre-bus spicer and other team members and according to McFarland trump asked her if the Russians did it meaning did they interfere in election McFarland told him yes and trump expressed doubt it was the Russians I think that's a load of crap ride and she just said that's like make it seem like trump had no friggin idea that Russia interfered in the election but whatever <hes> that's what I thought too. I was like Oh yeah okay trump said do you think the Russians did it and I said Yeah Yeah uh-huh <hes> MHM <hes> McFarland also said that trump opined that sanctions provided him leverage with Russians and she said they discussed potential Russian responses and that if they were Dick's that would be an indicator of their relationship going forward <hes> after the meeting Flynn and McFarland talked on the phone and he told her about his Kaba Kislyak and their discussions of the sanction <hes> sanctions according to McFarlane Flynn said the Russian response was not going to be escalatory because they wanted to be best friends forever. <hes> then the next day the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov said Russia would respond in kind to the sanctions but two hours later Putin released a statement saying Russia would not respond hours later trump tweeted did great move on Layby v Putin shortly after that Flynn sent an email to Kush bannon priebus and others about his call with Kislyak but it did not mention Sanctions Flynn told muller the reason he didn't mention sanctions was because it could be perceived as getting in the way of the Obama Administration's foreign policy again admitting that you can't do this shit <hes> yeah so he knows what the Logan Act is right. <hes> as we know Kislyak called Flynn instead his message was received at the highest levels of the Russian government in Flint told McFarland who told Bannon and the rest and McFarland congratulated Flynn Muller assures us here that there will be more on these sanctions discussed in volume two <hes> so then I'd like to read the closing paragraphs summarizing the Russian contacts on page one seventy three so here it is in some the investigation established multiple links between trump campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government those links included Russian offers of assistance to the campaign in some instances. The campaign was receptive to the offer while in other instances the campaign officials shied away ultimately the investigation did not establish the campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities or there was collusion but not criminal conspiracy right in short yeah <hes> it's that wraps up the Russia contacts with the trump campaign and and <hes> it only took less like ten hours to tell you about the summary of the work that Miller did so yes very cool very very cool very legal in very very very legal very cool but <hes> yeah that's that is all of section B away from part four part five is next. We'll start that next week we might be able to get through all apart five <hes> which are the prosecution and declaration decisions basically all the stuff that he prosecuted and why and all the shit he decided not to two and why not and that's pages one seventy four through one ninety nine and I do hate to tell you this. There's a lottery actions in there. <hes> won't know so. We're not GONNA get all of our questions answered <hes> unfortunately but thank you again for joining us us and listening to the Miller report. It's very important that everybody kind of at least knows what's in it and I hope that we're making it palatable and possible for you to Digest <hes> and we will see you well. If you're a patron. We'll Z.. In like five minutes because we're going to court the deal right after this but otherwise check us out Sunday night and then we'll be in Philly next week so we'll see you then I've been A._G.. I've been Jordan Coburn and this is muller. She wrote Moise wrote is produced and engineered by A._G.. With editing and logo designed by Julia Johnson Our marketing consultant and social media manager is Sara. Lee's diner and our subscriber and communications director is Jordan Coburn.

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"From NPR WBZ BOSTON. I'm Jane Clayson, and this is on point after a four day virtual convention former Vice President Joe Biden. Officially accepts the Democratic Party's presidential nomination with this promise. If you entrust me with the presidency, I will draw on the best of us not the worst. I'll be an ally of the light. Not the, darkness former White House advisor Steve Bannon arrested yesterday for fraud in an alleged border wall scheme. Here's president trump by didn't like that project I thought that was a project that was being done for. showboating reasons I don't know that he was in George I didn't know any of the other people either. But it's. It's sad. It's very said meanwhile in California, tens of thousands forced to flee their homes as forest fires rage. Here's governor. Gavin newsom hundreds of fires throughout the state of California because of this extraordinary weather that we're experiencing and all of these lightning strikes. It's our weaken the news and we have a great panel to guide us through it. All Laura Baron Lopez national political reporter from Politico joins US Laura. Welcome. Back to one point. Thanks for having me Elizabeth Landers DC correspondent for vice. Thank you for being here Elizabeth. Thank you having me as well and Karen Travers White House correspondent for ABC News Karen Great to have you on Jane Glad to be here. So let's begin with former vice president Joe Biden accepting the Democratic presidential nomination last night Biden stressed the message of unity among all Americans regardless of party. He said that message would continue to resonate. If he was elected, I'll work hard for those who didn't support me as hard for them as I did for those who did vote for me. That's the job of a president. To Represent All of us. Not just, our. Base. Our, party. This is not a partisan moment. This must be an American moment. Liz Landers What did this speech tell us about this candidate Well. I think to me the part that you just played release stood out the part that Joe Biden wants to be a president for the American people I. Think that's something that we don't hear as much from President trump trump. He talks about his base, his supporters them versus us, and I think that a Biden really came out and said yesterday that he wants to be President for Republicans, for independence and for Democrats, and that's something that we saw throughout this Democratic convention process there was a huge emphasis on unity not just within the Democratic Party. But across the country bringing former Republicans into the fold for the Democrats something else. I thought that really stood out to me in Biden's speech yesterday was the contrast that he drew between how he says he would handle the coronavirus pandemic and the president's there was a lot of focus on the corona virus throughout this convention in I. think that that is probably the right strategy for Democrats right now is this continues to be the top issue for Americans across the country. Laura Below Lopez degree, and what struck you about Joe Biden and this convention. Yes I agree with Liz points I also other things that stood out to me in that speech were the way he talks about racism, which is something that we haven't heard much from presidential candidates or people in his position before really explicitly talk about it in a convention speech we saw that repeatedly over the course, the convention where Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris named George Floyd and Taylor people killed by police. and. One of the quotes that stood out to me and Biden speech last night was when he said he asked, will we be the generation that finally wipes out the stain of racism? He's repeatedly spoken about Charlottesville and that unite the right rally with white nationalist as the primary reason that he jumped into the campaign. But last night his appeal to the country on this specific issue was striking and it also hit with his other Other comments talking about trying to be an ally of the light, not the darkness. So I, expect that in the in the remaining months that he is going to continue talking about this here is Senator Kamala. Harris accepting the formal nomination for the vice presidency in her speech she also called out the nation's structural racism this virus. It has no is. And yet, it knows exactly how we see each other. And how we treat each other. And let's be clear. there. Is, no vaccine for racism. Karen Travers in a summer marked by protests over racism a real strong theme in Comma Harris's remarks and broadly speaking what did you hear? I think it was a broad theme this week coming up over many different speakers are Joe Biden talk about this last night about his moment meeting, George fluids daughter, and how powerful that was I don't think it was a an explicit policy proposal of how we can fix this I think Camilla. Harris. Joe Biden last night. Many of the other speakers were really speaking in broad brushstrokes. About this moment that the country is facing and how Joe Biden the person not Joe Biden, the policymaker can lead this nation can fix this i. think some of the things I was struck by with Biden speech last night with how much he emphasized character. He said characters on the ballot compassion is on the ballot decency is on the ballot and any referred to this as a battle for. The soul of this nation, it wasn't a battle about policy proposals and I think that's where you get into that a push for a change for structural racism Joe Biden saying last night you know we can choose a path to become angrier less hopeful, more divided or a different path. He is saying that he and La-. Harris will take this nation in a different direction she said explicit. Contrast to what he says the president has done over the last three and a half years well, and the President Barack Limited to this clip President Barack Obama condemning his successor Donald Trump It was a scathing rebuke Obama warned that trump is on the cusp of destroying democracy itself. Here's President Obama for close to four years. Now, here's shown no interest in putting in the work. No interest in finding common ground. No interest in using the awesome power of his office help anyone but himself and his friends. No interest in treating the presidency is anything but one more reality show that he can use. To get the attention he craves. Donald Trump hasn't grown into the job. because. He can't. And the consequences of that failure are severe. From the White House president trump was tweeting his rage in all caps in real time as President Obama spoke Liz. This was a speech unlike any other delivered by a former president. Absolutely and we've seen President Obama over the last few months come into the public. I'm more with public criticism of president trump. We've heard for the past few years that he would say privately to his friends that he was really disappointed and concerned about how donald trump is taking the country. This was very explicit and clear and I think that some of this to for President Obama is is very personal We've had hints again of birtherism conspiracy theories this past week when there were people in the trump administration speculating about commonly harasses ability to serve in the administration that's personal for someone like Obama I also think that with the affordable care act being his signature. Piece of legislation and the trump administration trying to dismantle that for the last few years. That Obama really came forward and said that if any of the progress that we've seen in the last few years is is something that you like re electing president trump is is not going to get us there and his wife Michelle Obama especially at the sized. Democrats into the American public her belief that if president trump is reelected that it's going to get even worse than. What she says we already seen. Laura in many ways donald trump built his political career by using Barack Obama's sort of a bogeyman if you will and Obama Heretofore has kept mostly quiet, but he departed from that post-presidential protocol in a very big way. That's right. There's there's. No doubt that this speech this week was significant and a departure from what press past presidents would have done during a convention speech that being said Obama during the two thousand, eighteen cycle did start to explicitly call out president trump on the campaign trail and he also back then talked about. Democracy being at stake so he has. Pushed against trump when. We've been approaching election cycles, and of course, after twenty eighteen, that was when the house flip to Democrats in stumped for a lot Democrats out on the trail. So from this point forward, Obama will definitely be one of the leading Democrats to watch in how how much he's out there how much he can be out there given the virtual situation that Democrats are in since they aren't physically campaigning and if I could just add to one point, Karen made earlier about that. The Democrats decision to talk more about character and to talk about racism Rather than explicitly issuing policies, there's been critiques actually from Black Lives Matter activists this week who are also part of that big tent party and they do they are frustrated with the lack of. Conversation around very specific policy this week during the convention. Well there seemed to be a lot of Republicans participating in the Democratic convention. This week here is former governor and Republican presidential candidate John Casick. In an address on Monday night I'm a lifelong Republican but that attachment hold second place to my responsibility to my country. That's why I've chosen to appear at this convention. In normal times something like this would probably never happen. But these are not normal times. Karen. Travers about thirty seconds here but from John Casick to Colin Powell to John McCain there even death. What did you make of these moderate Republicans crossing over in apparent support of Joe Biden? Yeah. This is a very deliberate effort by the DNC in the Biden campaign to say it is okay to come over to our side that you may be gave Donald Trump, a chance in two, thousand sixteen. But now his presidency is not a hypothetical. It's a real thing and it's not working. So you can join us this time around essentially trying to say you know he's not the far left candidate. He's somebody that Republicans can actually be okay with and vote for him in. November. We are talking about the weaken the news with Karen Travers of News Laura, Baron, Lopez, politico, and Elizabeth Landers from Vice News up next Steve Bannon, arrested for fraud, and the long awaited new Senate intelligence report about Russian interference in the two thousand, sixteen election. I'm Jane Clayson. This is on point much more to come. We'll be right back. This, is on point I'm Jane Clayson. We're talking about the weaken the news this hour and I'm here with a great panel Elizabeth Landers DC correspondent for Vice Laura Baron Lopez national political reporter at politico, an ABC News White House correspondent Karen Travers. We'll delegates at the democratic. National Convention cast their votes this week to nominate. Joe Biden in short videos from their home states it was a virtual trip across the US fifty-seven states and territories they started in Alabama at the site of the Edmund Pettus Bridge where the John Lewis let an infamous civil rights march for voting rights in one, thousand, nine, sixty, five. Those who walked this path before? US showed us the way forward. If, we want to honor John Lewis is incredible life. Let's restore the voting rights act and ensure that our democracy belongs to all Americans. Alabama casts eight votes for Bernie Sanders. And the great state of Alabama cash fifty, two votes for our next president of these united. States Joe Biden. Well, the roll call was interesting because it took you across the country into the territories to see Americans really across the spectrum I wanna play this clip to begin our segment here Of course, a political convention is all about generating excitement and convincing people to vote Michelle Obama Ma made a forceful case about why that is important. Here she is closing the keynote speech on the first night of this week's convention. We have got to grab are comfortable shoes put on our masks pack Brown bag dinner maybe breakfast too because we got to be willing to stand in line all night if we have to. So Liz Lands Michelle Obama making it very clear. She doesn't like politics but boy from the necklace, the vote necklace she has all in in a big way this week. She was huge and we've seen There's so many polls that show that Michelle Obama is such a popular figure in American lives. So it makes sense that the that the Democratic National Convention would showcase her such a big way and she really used that platform I think that a lot of people have made the observation that because this convention was virtual a lot of the. Pomp and circumstance was eliminated. But that also sort of heightened the gravity and and made people really sit down and watch the TV screen and listen to what the message was, and as you said, even from her vote necklace from what she was wearing to what she was saying she was making herself extremely clear that she thinks that Donald Trump is a dangerous man is A. Dangerous. President is not reflecting the values of America and then spoke to the character as Karen and Laura were saying earlier the character of Joe Biden and she knows him she knows him personally. So she was able to speak to that as well in a speech that I think was well received and was quite powerful and with all the controversy about mail in voting and president trump's. Attacks on what was striking to me is to hear from Michelle Obama and others over and over that, you don't just have to vote. You have to have a plan to vote Laura Lots of convention speakers giving a number for people to text the Biden Campaign to help with with your ballot and what are the deadlines and all of that, which was very interesting Laura to me. His Democrats weren't just saying. Go vote as we heard in the past they were saying there are going to be obstacles and they were acknowledged gene past elections where there have has been voter suppression, which disproportionately impacts people of color particularly black people and at their if they are going to be obstacles. Bring snacks. I think Michelle Obama said something to that effect to bring you know comfortable shoes because you may be standing in line for a long time. If you don't cast your vote by mail, and if you do plan to vote by mail last night at the. During the last night of the convention, some other speakers also said make sure that you cast that mail ballot early don't wait until the last minute given the delays that seem to be affecting almost every state across the country in terms of the US Postal. Service. So they weren't just saying vote. They were saying that voters need to be prepared for the many obstacles they face due to the pandemic and also due to potential voter suppression. In the Democratic Party platform there seemed to be a little something for everyone combating the climate crisis creating a twenty-first-century immigration system, a world class education for everyone Karen Travers. What did you make of this sort of grab bag approach? If you will I, think they're trying to appeal to the various groups in the Democratic Party. This was a primary fight where Joe Biden was not a candidate for Progressive Supporters Progressive Voters and I think they had to acknowledge. the one the needs of that group of the Democratic Party. So you certainly saw Joe Biden last night talking about climate change right at the top of his speech saying it's one of the key crises facing this nation right now, putting it up there with the fight for racial justice, the coronavirus pandemic and the economic crisis I thought that was interesting that he had that in his talk four you had Bernie Sanders giving remarks this week you had. Various rivals of Joe Biden's I think they were trying to show this front of unity that there are a lot of questions about during the primaries season I, mean remember a couple months ago. We were talking about the potential for a contested convention that all went away very quickly. So it is notable how much more united Democratic Party was trying to present itself as of course, there's still some issues there were progressives who were not happy with enough focus on climate issues they wanted to. Hear more on that they wanted to hear more from the speakers that they were pushing for. Alexandria. Cossio Cortez had a very very brief role. The other night people wanted to hear more from her but I think again as we've all kind of said this over the last few minutes that this was all about. Joe. Biden. This was all about defeating Donald Trump and I think that they were trying to keep the focus on that instead of any potential fissures within the Democratic Party Well Democratic pollster, Peter Hart said something very interesting. This week he said Biden is well known but not known well that from a democratic pollster. So a real challenge he was suggesting for Biden to make the pitch for himself. You know he's laid out an ambitious suite of plans, but it's not entirely clear how many voters know exactly what those aren't is. Yes, and that was that we learned more about Joe Biden throughout the week I think introducing the American public to his personal story is powerful. He has come. He's overcome a huge You know number of losses in his life starting with the loss of his wife and daughter years and years ago to the most recent loss of his son Beau, but there. Were things in throughout you know sprinkled throughout the DNC programming that talked about his achievements when he was in the Senate and signature pieces of legislation at one of those is Vala the violence against Women Act that has now stalled in Congress I. think that is a piece of legislation. That item is very proud of to help women who are domestic abuse. Survivors, another thing was the assault weapons ban which has also lapsed now. So those were to sort of specific things that I think the American. Public learned about by they might not know in addition to all of the personal things. It's always on a personal touch to have your granddaughters taking there and to have sort of those cute montage videos I do think that. What that democratic pollster said is correct I think people learned things about Biden that they know I certainly did as well. While the Democratic Party platform in some places is is even less progressive than Joe Biden's position on on some issues like climate change for example, Joe Biden set benchmarks that are years ahead of those in this current DNC document but on issues like health care, you know there's there's less movement Karen. How did you see that platform in conjunction with the issues? There's this this election cycle I have to say, I, think that the platform ended up being a much more on the back burner than it might. Have Been in previous convention cycles and I, think that's because the Democrats and the Biden campaign looking at this election as a choice between continuing four more years of president trump or going in a new direction and that new direction is of course policy related but it's personal and I think we saw that in a President Obama's speech the other night saying that Joe Biden has the character and experienced to make this a better country. He said he made me a better president that's the emphasis on the personal side. And the empathy side of Joe Biden and I think we saw him say that so much last night and that was his case against Donald Trump. We heard many people making it four Joe Biden over the course of the week but to hear him say that. This is essentially about a direction for the country. Makes that case there again I think the Democrats are recognizing this moment that yes I do WanNa hear Litany of policy, Proposals Joe Biden though has been in politics for decades. You kind of understand his policy perspective. I think people are looking for the change right now from the climate of the trump presidency to something else and we heard Joe Biden say that last night that he would bring in something that is more hopeful and less divided. Well. The Democratic convention in the books Republicans have their turn next week their convention of course begins next week. So stay tuned for that. Let's move now to a federal indictment against president trump's former chief White House strategist Steve Bannon Bannon and three business associates were charged essentially with a fraudulent shell game stealing from a private enterprise set up to raise money for. Donald Trump's border wall investigators from Donald Trump's own justice department say bannon skimmed a million dollars for his personal use on this Bannon is accused Laura essentially defrauding the voter base that he and president trump built Laura. That's right. Jane BANNON'S Indictment is also a part of a pattern within the trump administration, which is a. Either close advisers, people who used to work at the White House people who have a direct ear to trump Potentially trump's children as well profiting off of the administration or their ties to the administration, and it's also striking in in this is that. Some video surfaced yesterday I believe CNN was the one who found it but. Don Donald Trump junior being involved with the organization that Bennett had propped up the organization was called. We build the wall at a two thousand eighteen event at twenty nineteen event and Donald Trump junior's. Spokespeople tried to say he was only involved one event that was it. That was the extent of it but this shows a connection between people who used to be in the White House children of the president. Pushing organizations that than stand to benefit from their ties to the White House here's president trump reacting yesterday to the arrest of Steve Bannon his longtime adviser he said he had disapproved of Bannon's crowdfunding campaign for the construction of the Border Wall I. Think it's surprising. But this was something as you know just by reading social media by reading whatever it is and by speaking to Mike and Mike, and all of them I didn't like that project I thought that was a project that was being done for showboating reasons I don't know that he was George I. Didn't know any of the other people either. But it's it said it's very said. President calling it a sad a White House correspondent Karen Travers. What do you make these charges here? You know and that's a pattern from the president right there to essentially say I. Don't know anything about these people I don't know anything about this project I have nothing to do with this. Now, the president had in the past signal that he didn't like this that he didn't think the idea of a private funding for a wall was a good thing that would interfere with the government work but. I think it's striking that Steve Bannon's federal indictment. Yesterday makes him the six person associated with the top tier of President Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign to face federal charges, and this is quite a list abandoned Roger Stone. Michael Flynn Rick Gates Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen and in all of those cases, the president tried to distance himself from who those people were the role they played in his campaign and what they did it a hard argument to make, but the president has certainly tried to do that. While there was another important legal development this week yesterday a federal judge in New York said President Trump must turn over his tax returns to Manhattan prosecutor who was investigating the president's business conduct in his personal finances. Liz Landers This is a grand jury case this is with the same judge who adjudicated the original case You know what's the significance of this president? Trump has been fighting this for a long time. Yes I. think that's the the first thing to remind listeners of is president trump said on the campaign trail in twenty sixteen that he would release his tax returns and he never has and there have been. A number of excuses and reasons over the years reporters have asked him about this and it has gotten to the point where. It's now being litigated because there are a people especially in New York, you mentioned the Manhattan da Cy Vance who wants to see these tax returns because of hush money payments in the two thousand, sixteen campaign. So president trump has kind of set himself up for this when when you say you're GonNa release something and then you don't he is now facing all of these legal issues around it in what happened this week is this case has now made it to the Supreme Court and We've found out this judge in New York said that trump must turn over those tax returns so that the the Da Their Sivan's can continue to investigate this. Not The president doesn't get broad immunity. That's something that his lawyers have been arguing for years now that because he's the president of the United States he has special executive privilege in broad immunity from over his personal returns because all of this would be politicized in in the current environment and this this judge is saying that is not the case and you must turn these over. In President Trump Karen Travers said originally, this was of this was a fishing fishing expedition, right? And the judge yesterday made specific reference to that saying no, this is not How did you see this development? Yeah no surprise the president kept up with that. He has argued he has immunity against the subpoena. The Supreme Court has said he does not have immunity from state criminal investigations but the president when he was asked about this yesterday in the Oval Office on Thursday, he said we'll probably end up back at the Supreme Court is dismissing legal battle continuing to call it a political witch hunt and I think sometimes you see the President Fall back on lines like that when it's just something, he doesn't want to engage on whether it was Robert Muller's investigation whether it was any of the congressional Democrats investigations into a wide range of his business dealings or political dealings. The president just says fishing expedition which nothing there move on. So again, yesterday the president dismissing this saying his interpretation is doesn't have to do this and he wants to continue this legal fight. So it's likely to end up again in the Supreme Court but Liz Do we expect any revelations while say before the election? I don't think so and I might be wrong. But are they hearing this this case before the election? I don't think so I'm not sure I'm asking you I don't. Yeah I don't think they are. So I would be I, would be. I would not expect to see anything before November and there I would also point out that there have been a number of cases that the court has decided to hear after the November elections. Another one of those is in relation to the affordable care act the court very far away from politics before November. Elizabeth Landers News Laura Baron, Lopez politico, Karen Travers ABC news stick with us. We are discussing the week in the news and up next the coronavirus pandemic on college campuses and the Post Office under scrutiny on Capitol Hill today much more to come on Jane. Clayson this is on point we'll right back. This is on point I'm Jane Clayson on Monday the spotlight swivels to the opening night of the Republican National Convention. How does the presidential race look from your community? Did you vote for President Trump in two thousand sixteen? Will you vote for him again? Why or why? Not We'd love to hear your story at six, one, seven, three, five, three, zero, six, eight, three. Back, to our weaken the news roundup today, we've been discussing a busy week in the news with a fantastic panel ABC News White House correspondent, Karen, travers Laura Baron, Lopez, national political reporter at politico and Elizabeth Landers DC correspondent for vice while the controversy over the postal service delays and potential impact on the election continued this week as more than ninety house. Democrats called on the Postal Service Board of governors to immediately remove. Postmaster General Louis to joy president trump expressing anger that members of his own party or calling onto joy to testify before. Congress which is happening today Laura Baron. Lopez what is Mr Joy answering four on Capitol Hill? So joy his answering for the not only the delays, but also the decisions made to pull machines pool to. to pull the hostal machines that allow people to to either cast their ballot or just put their mail in boxes He's pulled a lot of these. Out of cities out of states and so Democrats are demanding answers as to why there are all these backlogs y There are boxes being taken out of circulation being taken out of cities and joy so far. Today appears to be saying that it's a false and unfair narrative and that he's trying to work in inefficient ineffective manner given the the cost of of what it takes to run the USPS There was also some changes, a nation kind of undetected nationwide rule change. It was made this summer by the US peas. Which I expect Democrats will ask him about is the hearing goes on throughout the day but the rule changes that postal workers are now unable to sign absentee ballots for voters, which in the past they've had the authority to do, and so that could impact rural voters in particular. At. Lewis to join the postmaster general today in the Senate hearings repeated claims that any changes he has made so far have only been made to make the postal service financially solvent Karen, where do we stand on backlogs and mail in ballots a lot of Americans in this moment. Rightly so little anxious about whether their ballots will be counted or received absolutely because you're seeing states across the nation expanding mail voting options because Americans are expressing concerns about going to the polls voting in person during the coronavirus pandemic and they wanNA have more options. So this is happening in states where Republicans Control Voting Secretaries of state and we've seen warnings then that it's almost every state plus the district of Columbia that could experienced some delays because of these changes that have been made to the US Postal Service. It's interesting when you look at how the president is talking about this earlier in the program, we talked about that big message from Democrats this week about having a plan for voting and not just go vote. But think about how you're going to do it. If we see any sort of message like that next week during the RNC from the president and his supporters, it's going to be vote in the way that we're going to tell you how to vote and for the president that's in person he's tweeted many times. If you can protest in person, you should vote in person and Jane he's taken significant issue with mail in voting despite the fact that he himself and his wife the. First Lady will be doing absentee voting. He says, there's a difference there. He doesn't think that stage should be sending ballots out to registered voters. He thinks it's fine though if you're requesting one for yourself because you can't go and vote in person. So we've talked to a lot of experts over the last couple of weeks because this is something that happens a lot on my beat because the president talks about this so much and and experts are warning yes there could be a slowdown with ballots because of the postal service delays, they're also saying that there's just no evidence that increasing voting by mail will lead to widespread fraud and Jane that something the president is hammering as a message. Well. Thank you all for that. Let me move now to the coronavirus pandemic because Corona virus is spreading across college campuses. seventeen states now have colleges with Kobe cases nationwide more than thousand cases reported on Campuses Michigan, State Notre, Dame University of North. Carolina announced they will cancel in person classes. This fall Liz landers. The fact that outbreaks on college campuses have happened the level in the speed of the past week I have to say is quite sobering. It is, but it's not surprising and I think I've seen some statements, a number of college presidents who've said that they figured that there would be clusters within their communities. That, they were surprised they happened so quickly. So I think these universities understood that if they were reopening their doors for in person learning that there would be some cases of corona virus but the speed with which those clusters have emerged is surprising and it's also a reading stories where a lot of students are quoted in these pieces. It's disheartening for these students as well, and there are measures that I have even been surprised to see that have been implemented I know at the University of Connecticut. There were students who were evicted from their dorm because they violated the rules on campus where they had too many people in a residential hall getting together and having a get together a party of some sort That's a pretty strict metre but. This virus is highly contagious and A university is the perfect place for to spread. So I think that these colleges are trying to get a grasp of this up before it gets even worse as you mentioned, some of these places have decided that they need to go online because there's no other way to safely have students on campus. Here's Kelly. Nash Junior at the University of Notre. Dame she told Chicago's wgn News that after spending five months at home, she is ready to return to campus life. We were expecting the school year to look a little bit different, but covid spread quicker than. We would have liked it to. Well a lot of people wondering are we asking too much of these students coming back to college and not having a a real college experience so a lot of campuses dealing with this issue right now and into the fall this week also broadly speaking twenty states, a report of decline in new corona virus cases. But the lagging indicator is the death count and eighteen states still reporting more deaths right now compared to a week ago Laura after the summer surge, the question is we heading right as we move into fall. Now that's a really good question Jane and I don't think many people have the answer. There are concerns will heading into the fall that the different elements could exacerbate the coronavirus, right, which is a colder weather, and so there could be more people indoors clustered together There's also flu season, and that means that a lot of health officials are urging people to make sure you get your flu shot because if you get the flu on top of potentially getting corona virus that's very lethal in deadliest. So There's a lot of education programs going on right now around that, I've spoken to help directors in Milwaukee that they're trying to amp up their outreach in terms of please go get your flu shot because trying to protect the populace is as they can in terms of the the danger for younger kids kids in college and kids even younger than that eighteen. And below I think a lot of the issues at colleges are also the same issues that superintendents and school boards are having with K. through twelve students, which is a lot of them have told me that the lack of a national plan in national guidance really hinders them. Everyone is scrambling for the resources that they can get to prepare children, and again, the disproportionate impact that we've seen on black and Latino and native American people adults in in their contraction of the virus hospitalizations. CDC report just came out recently that said that those same disparities are occurring among black and Latino Children Well Study published yesterday in the Journal of Pediatrics Says Children Up to the age of twenty two or much more likely to be quote silence spreaders than previously believed an infected kids had significantly higher levels of the virus than even adults who were hospitalized in the ICU. So a lot of schoolteachers in several states threatening to strike If they're forced to go back, it's a hard situation it's hard to know. What to do? The clock is ticking I wanna get to a bipartisan Republican led Senate report that was released this week that said President Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign chairman Paul Manafort posed a grave counterintelligence threat during the campaign. Here is Senator Mark Warner a Democrat from Virginia, serving on the Intelligence Committee speaking to NPR's Mary Louise Kelley. He said the one thousand page document offers warnings for this election. Very worried though that if foreign entity if Russia wanted to advertise on facebook, they can do so without disclosing who they are or are they born service a foreign government wanted to offer dirt on an opposing candidate to a presidential campaign. There's no obligation to tell the FBI as opposed to saying. Thank you. So I I worry that we're not as safe as we should be knowing that there are foreign governments that want to intervene. So the Senate Intelligence Committee worked for three and a half years on this. It's the only bipartisan examination of Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election on there are warnings as. We look forward to the November election. Karen travers what's the difference in these findings from the special counsel's report that was passed released? Yeah. It didn't go further than what Robert Muller did in detailing some of the ties between the trump campaign and being receptive to Russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen election. This report declared that the campaign had repeated contacts with Russian exit described several different episodes in which president members of his campaign seemed eager keen to accept help from Russia important note though there was no alleged criminal conspiracy between the president and members of his team and Russia. But Paul Manafort the trump campaign. As, you say represented agreed counter intelligence threat according to the Senate Intelligence Committee and they looked at his ties with somebody that committee described as a Russian intelligence officer, Constantine Kalinic There was concerns that may be manafort was involved in the Russian effort to hack the emails from the Democrats during the twenty sixteen cycle. Of course, later published by wikileaks Jane I think it's interesting that this was such a big headline in Washington this week as you say three and a half years in the making for this report, and we didn't hear a lot about this at any point during the DNC we not just specifically this report but you kind of the issue of Russia and the trump campaign and corruption and Ukraine remember earlier this year that big story we were all covering of the impeachment. It's amazing to think that that's not even being mentioned now as part of Joe Biden the Democrats message against President trump that there's so many other crises that they can point you. But still this was a very significant report and it's a very big deal as they're still big concerns about election security disposal, endless landers, real quick here a lot of the present supporters say, okay. Here we go. Again you know more more witch hunt Why does this report matter? Well. The report matters for a number of reasons that Karen pointed out I would say, when as you mentioned the president's supporters talk about this, they always always emphasize the that there was no collusion found and that is the case there was no nothing drawn directly but there are a lot of details in here that raise eyebrows. There's a lot of in this report in the Senate report specifically on the Intelligence Committee says how difficult it was to get information out of the trump administration in out of the trump transition team, they use all kinds of ways to not. Give information over to the committee. So there's a real lack of transparency to. The way that this administration has responded to this which I think begs, the question of you know were they trying to hide things why weren't more people interviewed more forthcoming in the Mueller investigation as Karen said because there were many points in here. That were new points That were a revelation to all of us. I. Think. Well. Let's wrap up here. circle back to sort of where we. with the Democratic National? Convention. which wrapped up last night. Republicans get their turn next week Laura what what are you expecting to see? So, Republicans were taking a bit of notes as they were watching the the DNC convention this week we know that they're still making last minute changes all the way up until the end what I'm curious about is trump appears to want to have his own testimonials similar to the people that we heard from that either had interactions with Biden or gave reasons for why. They're going to vote for Biden and so one of the couples that we are going to hear from his actually the saint. Louis couple that brandish their guns at protesters it went viral and so I think it'll be a very different tone at the RNC one that likely pulls from what we've heard from trump in the last month, which is this Scare tactics essentially to tell particularly white suburbia that that if Biden wins than your way of life will be will be destroyed and it's something that we've heard repeatedly from him. Karen Travers in our last minute here some of the main speeches will take place at the White, house what are you expecting? The first lady will be in the Rose Garden the president will be on the South Lawn and Jane I. Think we can't forget that the president before all of this was a television producer and he is going to take a keen interest in what this production looks. Like and the Democrats set a high bar that was very complicated to pull together on short notice and to do it all remotely like that, and they had very few hiccups. The President says he wants to have more live elements to his convention next week it's a really tall order. We'd know the president has not been shy about publicly complaining after an event if he doesn't like how it looked or felt. So pay attention to what he's saying Monday and Tuesday, his reviews of his own convention and Liz, you get the last word on this What do you see ahead? While I, am interested to see how they fold in some of these. non-politicians into the mix I think that the Democrats did that. Well, this past week I had personal testimonies from people I no longer mentioned that couple from St Louis they're also going to invite people like Nick Sandman who Was the young man from Covington high school who I approached that native American man in front of the Lincoln memorial kind of became a a rate. I guess hero for cancel culture. They're also going to have an pollock whose daughter died in Parkland. So I'm interested to see how they fold in some of these. These other non political voices like the Nikki Haley is like Joni Ernst attempt. Scots who are going to speak into how those people see the Republican Party moving forward? Well, we shall see and we will be watching fast-moving our today lots of news to get to, and you all helped us understand it so nicely Liz landers DC correspondent provides thanks, Liz. Thank you, Laura Baron Lopez from politico. Thank you Laura. Thank you and Karen Travers correspondent at ABC News Karen Thank you thanks J.. Listeners thanks you. Thanks to you have a good weekend. I'm Jane Clayson. This is on point.

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Cobalt Dickens, coming to a university library near you. UNICEF data exposure. Election security notes. Operation reWired arrests 281 alleged BEC scammers.

The CyberWire

20:54 min | 1 year ago

Cobalt Dickens, coming to a university library near you. UNICEF data exposure. Election security notes. Operation reWired arrests 281 alleged BEC scammers.

"Kobo Dickens is back and fishing in universities. Ponds Unisex scores of security own-goal got some patch Tuesday notes a look at US election security offers bad news but with some hope for improvement the US extends its state of national emergency with respect to foreign foreign meddling in elections and international police sweep draws in two hundred eighty one alleged B. E. C. scammers. It's time to take a moment to tell you about our sponsor. 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That's recorded future dot com slash cyber wire and we thank recorded future for sponsoring our show funding for this cyber wire podcast is made possible in part by bug crowd connecting organizations with the top security researchers pen testers white hat hackers in the world to who identify ten times more vulnerabilities than scanners or traditional pen tests learn more about how their award winning platform provides actionable insights like remediation advice to help help fix faster while methodology driven assessments ensure compliance needs are met at bug crowd dot com from the cyber wires studios at data tribe. I'm Dave Bittner with your cyber wires summary for Wednesday September eleventh two thousand nineteen researchers at secure works report a resurgence of activity by the Iranian Indian Threat Group they call Cobalt Dickens this particular threat actor has been associated with the matinee group and others indicted by the US Department of Justice back in two thousand eighteen. Those indictments were for crimes connected with cyber espionage that the Justice Department said was conducted on behalf of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps secure work says the latest activity consists of efficient campaign directed against American and British universities the fish bait in the e mails. Els is as secure works. Put It library themed the recipient is told that quote your library access has been suspended due to inactivity and quote and is given a link to follow in order to ensure that their library privileges might be restored cobalt. Dickens's earlier campaigns had used shorten. URL's in such links links the better to obscure what was going on but this latest round dispenses with that coy gesture and simply leaves the full url out there displayed in in all of its implausibility. Some sixty universities have experienced cobalt dickens fishing. Those affected schools are located in Australia. The United States the United Kingdom Canada Hong Kong and Switzerland Eunice F the United Nations Children's organisation knows it's a small world and and they inadvertently made it a little bit smaller by inadvertently emailing around a list of over eight thousand users of its online educational platform Agora this appears to be purely a case of operator head space and timing not hacking so here again the human factor contributes the dominant share of the risk in yesterday's round of patch Tuesday releases Microsoft fixed seventy-nine bugs seventeen of which Redmond classified is critical adobe addressed critical vulnerabilities abilities in flash player. Norm Shield has looked at US election security and found it wanting the results of to risk assessments. The company conducted showed they say that outdated systems remain in widespread use more than half of the election systems used windows server two thousand eight released two and Microsoft to US seven point five four of the election commissions were still using windows two thousand three which reached it's end of life sometime ago they they also concluded that election authorities remain susceptible to phishing attacks fifty nine percent of the election commissions were missing demark records and more than forty percent of them had at least one website with an invalid or expired. SSL Certificate and finally about a third of the election commission's have norm shield says quote at least one asset asset that is reported by blacklist databases and quote that is at least one asset that has been herded into about net norm shield conducted two scans one in July the second in August. The first one concluded that an average hacker as axios put it would be able to breach twenty seven states election systems the company when he disclosed its findings to the election commissions and secretaries of state and then repeated their scan a month later. The August results were noticeably better. Only thirteen estates were found to remain vulnerable to the average attacker. The Synopsis Software Integrity Group recently published a report titled the State of Software Security already in the financial services industry drew kilborn is Managing Director of Security Consulting at Synopsis. He joins us to share their findings. You know one of those stats statue in the report was fifty six percent of the of the F. is that we surveyed. Were still experiencing a tax that were resulting in system failure downtown on dazzle shocking to me because the biggest banks we work with many of those those banks have pushed a cyberfraud down the scale. AOL from from number one to number two number three in their fraud list so we kind of felt like they that the bigger banks really gotten their arms around it. There are other fundings are get to in the second that I think leads to this. The the other interesting finding was thirty eight percent reported being victims of ransomware and I was a little shocked that the F. is would be that impacted by ransomware that that they would solve that problem a long time ago but apparently it's still out there. It's prevalent and it's growing so what are some of the other indicators that that you think contributes to those findings there aren't great established processes four inventory managing open source and the other is there aren't great processes for managing third party supply chain so what you see in the largest f Isaiah still bile out software either by or they or they outsource having a developed and they all use open source in the mid Tier F is it's. It's more prevalent than to be buying third party software than it is to be building software if anything they integrate great when you look at those two findings this is kind of where the problem stem only forty-three percent had established process for inventory managing open source only fifteen eighteen percent had any tools deployed help in aid in that dividend open source so prevalent in the industry that gets a little eyebrow raising that they're not taking care of that part of the problem as well as maybe they should. They're probably introducing a lot of errors in the open source out of the House. The other interesting finding was that no one has a great process for managing supply chain of software that comes in Assad of open source just any third party software or you might buy or have built for. You and I think that's another weakness as well. Maybe there's a pen test of that software but not many companies are looking at how the software is bill bill in the processes and the Security Elsie. Those companies are undertaking as they built software. The other interesting finding came out of this is people still tend to rely heavily heavily on a manual ethical hacking penetration testing at the end of the process in fact sixty five percent of the respondents said they felt pen testing was the most most effective way to find security abilities actually is probably the least most effective way because the very end of the cycle right so it's extremely costly need to find your defects. They're selling pen. Testing is very time box. Usually it's a one or two week test. You can only cover so much stuff and so it's not very thorough and then when when you started to look deeper beyond that finding new found that only forty percent of the respondents were using automated tools in their secure. St L. C. to do more finding defects earlier on things like static analysis or dynamic analysis interactive application security testing. There's there's other mechanisms tools you could put into the into that. S. DLC they will automate defining throughout versus waiting to the tail end. If you had that up you add up that only nineteen percent of the respondents do mandatory development training up for the developers you start to say okay. We're not training our developers so they're not getting had expired or about the problem. You're not finding things earlier in the life cycle and you've limited the size of the tests that the end under which you will find any vulnerabilities ladies you find out that might opinion you're pretty inefficient actually discovering defects in USAO seat automation it provides several several things that provides consistency which is great it provides speed which is which is really good as well and it allows you to provide governance said are you can creeks governance in the deal see to say if you don't cross a bar so high you don't move forward and I have told it's going to consistently test the same way every time to measure if you cross that bar to me those are the things that have to take place and as companies move to devops in what they'll call. Dev Ops and are moving faster stir it building and releasing software automation's going to become even more and more important in my mind that's drew kilborn from Synopsis Software Integrity Group. The report is titled the State of Software Security in the financial services industry. US President Trump yesterday extended the national emergency with respect to foreign interference appearance in or undermining public confidence in US elections for one year the note announcing the extension says quote although there has been no evidence of a foreign power or altering the outcomes or vote tabulation in any United States election foreign powers have historically sought to exploit America's free and open political system and quote wrote it goes on to discuss the proliferation of online devices and communication channels and concludes that both unauthorized accessing of election and campaign infrastructure structure and covert distribution of propaganda and disinformation warrant continuing the state of emergency. The extension maintains the provision as of executive order thirteen eight forty eight issued on September twelfth twenty eighteen that executive order prominently includes provisions for sanctioning foreign individuals. It's an institution's attempting to meddle in. US Elections Charles Kupperman Fox News reports will serve as interim national security advisor her to the US President Kupperman had been serving as deputy to the now departed John Bolton. A search for a permanent replacement is in progress today is of course the anniversary of the nine eleven terrorist attacks we spare a thought for those who lost injured or bereaved in the terror and and for those whose health continues to be affected by the effects of the attacks the government has taken the occasion to announce tighter sanctions against those who support and finance terror are any foreign financial institution found to be engaged in such support risks losing access to the US dollar and to the world financial system expect online online investigations into money laundering and fund transfers on behalf of sanctioned groups and finally the US Justice Department has announced the results results of operation rewired around up of business email compromise crooks that collared two hundred eighty-one alleged scammers in ten countries it was a multi the national multi agency sweep authorities in Nigeria Ghana Turkey France Italy Japan Kenya Malaysia and the United Kingdom participated as did the the US Department of Justice Homeland Security State and treasury along with the US Postal Inspection Service three point. Seven million dollars were also seized at the conclusion of the four-month investigation. The largest hall of alleged perpetrators was in Nigeria where one hundred sixty four were arrested seventy four were picked up in the united it states eighteen in Turkey and fifteen in Ghana. The remaining ten were scooped up in various other countries congratulations to those who organized and conducted did this cooperative effort against international crime and now a word from our sponsor observe it the greatest threat to businesses. Today isn't the outsider trying to get in. It's the people you trust the ones who already have the keys your employees contractors and privileged obliged users sixty percent of online attacks are carried out by insiders the stop these insider threats. You need to see what users are doing before an incident occurs. There's observant enables security teams to detect risky user activity investigate incidents in minutes and effectively respond with observe it. You know the whole story story. Get your free trial at observant dot com slash cyber wire. That's observe the letter the letter T. dot com forward slash cyber wire and we thank observe it for sponsoring our show and I'm pleased to be joined once again by Ben Yellen. He's a senior policy analyst at the University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Blend Security Ben. It's always great to have you back. at a couple articles come by that dealt with this notion of geofencing and the the privacy implications there. There was an article from think progress. This was about some Catholics in Iowa who went to church and Steve Bannon Bannon of all people were tracking their phones. There's not another article from the New York Times about New York City. Possibly banning the sale of cell phone location location data can can you unwrap what's going on here for us sure so this isn't as much of A. Steve Bannon story as it is about many political campaigns and end many private corporations that use geofencing as technique to promote their own advertising so how it works is you either collect from APP makers or the telecommunications companies themselves information on which individuals were at a given location at a given time so at this. Steve Bannon article mentions is his political organization collected the Meta data so the phone numbers of people who are at a Catholic Church Service on the Sunday prior to the twenty eighteen midterm elections and people who were at that church ended up receiving a targeted advertisements on their smart devices and on their APPs This is something that's actually been done It's a very common tactic among among political campaigns to engage in what's called micro targeting if you know who's in a Catholic Church or who's at a particular community meeting or who's at potentially a political rally that information is incredibly valuable to campaigns and political organizations and they're happy to buy that information and so they can target their advertisements. They can micro target based on what they already know about those voters they go to Catholic Church on Sunday New York City interestingly. The city council is considering a measure that would ban companies from selling this geofencing data to all firms TMZ political firms and all other private entities. I think the chances of passage of this in New York are relatively small. There's been a lot out of opposition from the telecommunications companies themselves who think that this law is going to create an undue burden for them because they're going to have to figure out how to comply hi with New York City Law which is a limited jurisdiction. Even though it's the biggest jurisdiction the country as opposed to only having to follow some sort of national standard so so I think the telecommunications companies the makers might actually be okay with some sort of regulation on selling this data but they like it to come from the national level at the national level so there could be some sort of a uniform standard now. This data can come from multiple places. There's there's the actual telecommunications all communications firms they they sell it but then also apps that you install on your device we've heard stories of you know buried in the Ula Hula is permission for them to share your location every minute or so or something like that yeah. I recently read an article about the weather channel. Oh APP which there was a controversy in Los Angeles they were collecting location data from their users on what was alleged to be somewhat out of a fraudulent basis. They said that users who were Checking local weather forecasts would not have their data sold to private. advertisers turns turns out it was sold there was an investigation by the Los Angeles district attorney and I mean on any given smartphone. They're probably going to be ten to fifteen fifteen apps that make use of your location at one point or another and we're almost so mindless about it that we just click the accept button as soon as we want to agree to that APP APP. It's like yeah I don't WanNa read the lease when I'm trying to send my snapchat the result of that is that you've probably agreed to you as a user for this APP to sell your Geo location data and until there's some sort of regulation in place ace it's up to both the users to look closely at the at those license agreements and to put pressure on the technology companies themselves. I think as we've seen more stories about geofencing the telecommunications companies have been forced to respond and to voluntarily limit how much data they we are actually selling to companies and political organizations and I should also mention you know the uses we've talked about for the technology seen kind of benign but if you take geofencing to its logical extension it could potentially be pretty scary. you know if we were conducting some investigation in the war on terror and collected. Geo Location data for every single mosque in the country for example. I mean that could have both a major chilling effect on free speech and the free practice of religion but would really be a a massive invasion of personal privacy. C can see how this would be just a major civil liberties violation so in some ways. I think it's it's admirable that New York City is trying to address this problem but I also think even even for a city as large as New York. The problem is is at two large of a scale for them to really have a big impact all right. We'll Ben Yellen. Thanks for joining us. Thank you and that's the cyber wire. Thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible label especially are supporting sponsor observe it the leaving insider threat management platform learn more at observe it dot com the cyber wire podcast is proudly proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe with their co building. 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Our Lying Eyes

In the News with Mike Dakkak

22:34 min | 2 years ago

Our Lying Eyes

"The common sense commentary on politics culture and current events. If it's on your mind, it's in the news. And now in the news with your host, Mike Dakkak. Rod Rosenstein is mad as heck. And he's not going to take it anymore. The deputy attorney general gave a speech the other week where he blasted his critics and critics of the Justice department and specifically critics of the way the DOJ handled the rollout of the mullahs report. Rosenstein, gave a speech to a legal organization any hearken back to his confirmation hearings where he made promises about how the special counsel's investigation would be handled. I promised he said to see to it that it would be done. Right. And that it would be taken to its appropriate conclusion. I did not promise to make all of its results public. He said citing the fact that grand jury information is a category of information. For example, that must remain confidential. There's quite a bit of grand jury information indie Mullah report. And all of that information remains redacted to this date. It is not our job to render conclusive factual findings. He said, we just decide whether it is appropriate to file criminal charges. It took a shot at the press. He said some of the nonsense that passes for breaking news today would not be worth the paper. It was printed on if anybody bothered to print it Zing. He decried who he called a mercenary critics who get paid to quote, express passionate opinions about any topic often with little or no information. He then went on to quote, the president the rule of law is our most important principle. He said as President Trump pointed out we govern ourselves in accordance with the rule of law rather than the whims of an elite few or the dictates of collective will. Rosenstein, often speaks positively about the president when he speaking in public. But the last couple of weeks have called into question just where exactly his loyalties lie. There have been reports that he called President Trump and assured him that he would be treated fairly by the Muller investigation. I give the investigation credibility, Rosenstein, reportedly said I can land the plane now what exactly does that mean I can land the plane. Those comments were made in a phone call to President Trump last September. When news reports broke that during meetings in the kind of hectic days surrounding the firing of former FBI director, James Komi, Rosenstein offered to wear a wire to record President Trump apparently in the hopes of recording something incriminating that he might say. I never get, sir. Searched when I go to the White House. I could easily wear a recording device. They wouldn't even know it was there Rosenstein, reportedly said. He also brought up the twenty fifth amendment and conducted a kind of unofficial whip count of which Trump cabinet officials might go along with invoking it under the twenty fifth amendment device. President acting with a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments also known as cabinet officials can communicate to congress that day feel that a sitting president is unable to carry out the duties of his office. He would then be removed from office and the vice president would then assume the president's duties in may two thousand eighteen President Trump we now know fired James Komi because he wouldn't publicly state that President Trump was not the target of the FBI's investigation into Russian interference. There was shall we say concern in the nation's law enforcement. Circles over that action. You know, looking back on fire and Komi was maybe President Trump's single biggest blunder as present. It was supported by people in the White House. Like, Stephen Miller, it was opposed by people like Steve Bannon. Bannon would actually go on to call the Komi firing the worst mistake and modern political history. He said of Komi hadn't been fired. We wouldn't have the Muller investigation, or at least we would not have it at the depth and breath that we had that assessment is not that far off from the truth isn't the days after the Komi firing were very kind of hectic, there was a lot of talk about what if anything needed to be done about President Trump. It was during one of those meetings that Rosenstein, muses to other DOJ and F B I officials about wearing a wire and also brings up the twenty fifth amendment, and how many other cabinet officials might support a move like that. So it's easy to understand. Why the president would be furious about such a conversation, and why Rosenstein may have had some explaining to do now at the time Rosenstein, really downplayed the seriousness of his comments. He put out a statement at the time through a spokeswoman that read in part as the deputy attorney general previously has stated based on his personal dealings with the president. There is no basis to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. Interesting. What that statement didn't say at the time that the accusations that Rosenstein offered to wear a wire or brought up the twenty fifth amendment are false it just reads twenty fifth among no, I don't see a basis to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. So to assuage the president Rosenstein tells him basically, not to worry, interestingly Rosenstein, also played a rather prominent role in the firing of Komi Trump made up his mind to fire comb. Me after Komi testified before congress in may two thousand seventeen. Me testifies before congress and announces publicly that there was an investigation being run by the FBI into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election. He was asked whether that investigation was looking into members of the Trump campaign up to an including the president himself Komi the Klein's to answer. Now, it seems kind of quaint now. But at the time, this was headline news, and the fact that Komi didn't rule anyone involved in the Trump campaign out, including the president himself made big headlines. I mean there were suspicions. And there were various news stories that reported on the existence of such investigation. But here was the head of the FBI the nation's premier law enforcement agency confirming for the country indeed for the world that an official investigation had begun into Russian interference. Fearance in the US presidential election, and whether that interference had cooperation from campaign members of one of the two major nominees for president and obey the way, it's the campaign of the nominee. Who would also go on to win and his currently sitting in the White House. Now unbeknownst to us at the time me had up until that point informed. President Trump on three separate occasions that he was not the target of that investigation. Trump asked Komeito make that public call me the Klein for several reasons the main one being Komi felt that if you were to make that statement public if that faction ever changed he would have to go out and make that public as well. And if President Trump thought the Russia investigation was casting a cloud over his presidency before potential statement like that was made one can only imagine what it would be like after one was made so corny the clients to make that public as the president had requested that makes Trump furious. And he decides he's going to fire Komi Jeff Sessions. The former attorney general actually suggested the Bannon recalls that Trump brings Komi up at least eight times between that. Day that he testified and the next he's a show boater. He says grant Stander there was no collusion. Bannon tells Trump he can't fire me because that ship has sailed. He also says that firing Komi is not going to stop the investigation. He could fire the FBI director band says, but you can't fire the FBI. So of course, what is President Trump? Do you the sides? He's going to fire James combing the following week. He meets with members of senior staff as well as Jeff Sessions and rod Rosenstein at the meeting exactly how to go about firing comas discussed sessions, and Rosenstein, both criticized Komi and do not raise any objections to replacing him that leads White House counsel to believe that they've got some legal cover to getting rid of combing someone suggests the president permit Komi to resign, the president refuses. He's adamant that comas is to be fired then someone suggests having sessions and Rosenstein provide kind of memos of recommendation that. Oh me fired the president likes that idea. So he agrees to it both sessions and Rosenstein provide those memos to the president the next day and comas alternately fired. Now, the announcement sends shockwaves throughout the country, and it doesn't play out the way the White House and President Trump originally believed it would generally speaking the reaction is not positive for the president. There were all kinds of questions about whether the president is trying to slow down. If not an outright the Russia investigation with this move, the White House kind of does a full court press in the media and says, well, listen, this whole thing was Rosenstein idea. No one from the White House was involved. It was DOJ decision said White House press secretary at the time. Sean spicer. That turn of events may have led to those conversations Rosenstein was having. But if Rosenstein was so unhappy about the way things happened during that week. Why did he fight so hard to stay on board in the administration after reports of those events broke why tell the president that he could land the plane, and that he lends the investigation credibility all too often in Washington, especially these days this administration, you're asked not to believe your lying is or you're lying years to coined phrase. You're told that what you're seeing or hearing is not really happening. The president says he has a great relationship with Putin, for example. And then says, well, I don't know porn Rosenstein, muses about the twenty fifth amendment. And then tells the president that only he can land the plane, how do you know, which way is truly up trying to navigate with a compass that isn't working as it should. As far as Rosenstein is concerned. It's all kind of democ now because he submitted his resignation letter. This week effective may eleventh he thanked the president for the opportunity to serve and highlighted these special duty, the department of Justice has to remain above politics. The department bears a special responsibility to avoid partisanship, political considerations may influence policy choices, but neutral principles must drive decisions about individual cases Rosenstein row in his letter. We enforce the law without fear or favour because credible. Evidence is not partisan and truth is not determined by opinion polls, we ignore fleeting distractions and focus our attention on the things that matter because Republic that endures is not governed by the new cycle. He adds. He may have been trying to get out of the DOJ while the getting was good as they say because it looks like the department of Justice is not going to remain above politics for very much longer. At least not at the very top levels. We found out for example, this week that Robert Mueller is not all that thrilled. With the way, the rollout of his report was handled by DOJ brass either its arms out that Muller sent a letter to attorney general William bar criticizing even of lightly the way, he summarized his report and the way that summary was being interpreted by the media. The summary letter the -partment sent a congress and released to the public lay in the afternoon of March twenty fourth did not fully capture the context nature and substance of this offices work and conclusions. Reads Muller's letter, we communicated that concern so the department on the morning of March twenty fifth there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. Muller's letter was dated March twenty seventh about five days after bar sent a letter to congress summarizing Muller's report. It's being reported that the two men Mulhearn born spoke on the phone for fifteen minutes the day after bar received Muller's letter. So that would put it at about March twenty eighth the two men have known each other for years, by the way in Arkansas, it'd friends now DOJ officials said they were taken aback at the tone of Muller's letter saying that it came as a surprise to them that Muller felt this way until that point. They believed everyone involved was on the same page as far as the reports conclusions. Go as well as the rollout protocols. A Mahler in his letter also called on bar to release his executive summaries. The report if you haven't taken look at it is divided into two volumes one for Russian interference and the methods. The Russians used to carry it out and one for the obstruction of Justice investigation into the president's actions and those around them Muller prepared executive summaries there right at the top of each volume. First thing you see right after the table of contents that summarized the investigation's findings and their recommendations, such as they were it seems now that Muller prepared them for these specific purpose of being released by the DOJ while everyone involved worked out what they were going to do with the entire report, they provide more detail than bars summary letter, clearly, but not as much as the entire report. What they don't provide answers to. And it's basically the only question anyone really cares about at this point is why Muller did not give a recommendation on whether to file obstruction of Justice charges against the president. Or anyone in his circle? Now bar upon receiving Muller's letter is a little perplexed. So he called Muller and the two men spoke on the phone for fifteen minutes bar asks him, do you think my memo to congress was inaccurate Muller said, no. But felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation. Barr. Also reportedly took issue with Muller's calling of the bar letter a summary saying that he never intended to summarize Muller's report only the state for the record. It's top line conclusions. Now ficials at the Justice department, characterized the call us cordial but said there were disagreements between the two men on how to proceed bar felt that it was pointless to release more partial information at that point and opted instead to release the entire report which was done about three weeks later. Justice department officials were also by the way, a little miffed at Muller and his team for not submitting the report with proposed. Reductions Muller subsequently sent along his suggested reductions, but those only covered a few areas of information and the documents required further review meaning further delay before they can be released. And so far gives Muller his phone number as well and tells him the call him if he has any future concerns now I have yet to make up my mind on bar. I'm not exactly sure if President Trump's interests ever came into conflict with DOJ's interests which side bar would come down on. But it's hard to put your finger on any one thing and say, objectively he did that wrong in this little episode. He quoted the top line findings of the report fairly accurately. Not completely not thoroughly. But okay. I mean, he is a Trump appointee. That is probably to be expected, but he asked if Muller disagreed with his conclusion Muller said, no he said he wanted to get the whole report out there rather than just the executive summaries. He made disagree with it. But you can kinda see his point is well he had a three week head start to control the narrative for Trump world. Okay. But now we have the whole report. I don't know how much. Longer. He would be in control of that narrative, if there were anything truly damning in the report that bar misrepresented and terms of the top line findings that is. He also gave Muller's personal phone number told them the call him personally, if there is anything else that happened that concerned him making himself available. Sounds like a good faith effort Muller is mad at the perception of the report. But the perception of the report is the way it is. Because of the way it was written and the conclusions or not conclusions reached the conclusions of prosecutor who just conducted a review or an investigation as binary as has been said charges are no charges. If Muller feels charges should be brought he should have said that if he feels don't charges should be brought he should have said that if you feels that charges could be broad, but not while Trump as president. But hey, the mini he leaves office. We should slap the cuffs on him. And he should have said that if you felt and not enough evidence existed for criminal charges, but ample evidence for congress to take it up exists and see if it qualifies for impeachment. Then you could have said that this needed to be spelled out for us. The Muller report is four hundred pages. Long four forty eight to be exact he could've used the I four hundred forty seven of them for nuance. The conclusions on the last page of the report needed to be simple straightforward and leave very little room for interpretation, especially by political appointees. Which is what William bar'll to me is no one knows more about this issue at this point than Robert Muller and his team. That's why he had to judge whatever heat or criticism that brought with it. Barr spent the week testifying and dodging testimony as well on Capitol Hill this week. It should have been more on Capitol Hill this week. He's the only person that matters that we hear from. Now anyone else or anything else that gets revealed is probably only going to raise more questions than it will answer Rosenstein said in his fiery speech the other week. It is not our job to render conclusive factual findings. We just decide whether it is appropriate to file criminal charges. But mar didn't do that he left a little more room for interpretation and partisan infighting. Then was truly helpful at this point. And until some of that room gets closed out. We're going to be left wondering if we should believe the partisans the political appointees or our lying eyes. Well, that's our show for today. Hope you enjoyed it. You have any comments on any of the issues. We talked about today. Drop me a line. You can reach comments ITN show dot com. That's comments at IT ancho dot com. And remember you can keep up with in the news on Twitter and on Facebook at ITN show. That's not an show one word dice again for listening everyone until next time take care. If it's on your mind. 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48: An Adaptable Career

Software People Stories

32:48 min | 1 year ago

48: An Adaptable Career

"Hi I'm Chauve and I'm Chitra be co host of this show software people stories race. We're happy to bring you stories of people associated with software as make us all consumers in every episode. We talked to people the on their own personal and professional journeys their interests and approach to work and life in a free flowing conversation format. We hope so that you will be able to draw your inspiration from their experiences and insights. PODCASTS are made possible by. PM Power Consulting who had individuals teams and organizations on that delegates. Linzie Janis Velka to this edition of the People's stories. My guest today is an. I'm coma when condition. Who is the vice president of technology at Mike Ugity in this conversation? I'M GONNA talk about getting into software to have greater flexibility in terms of choosing companies to join the quality looks for when hiring and what it does empathy for users mean back in teams how to effectively organized deems that produce nitric services and consume micro services evolving safety dean for Development Practices as an organization grows and from his own expedience the importance of being adaptable once career progression and finally talk about handling stress dress at work and the future of software as a career. Listen welcome to episode of this offer people's stories. I'm really happy to have you guessed. And your story in the business we can start with beef introduction on how you got into. Id and maybe background and anything else that you may want to share your Rick Victory. Okay Okay thank you for having me on your podcast. Got To be here. Ed and I'm GonNa hear the technology team. Might you think question. How would I get into after so? When I started my gear up the kids back softer was and is very nascent stages in India still I think the opportunities June these for software more than the address I did buy adulation and typically the opportunities that we had for for two years whilst to sort of getting to the gunman D- In our since after was starting to get into that and I always wanted to solve the have a To maybe on the World War on cities and I find in the software industry provided that and so I went when I add Asian. US Bar always wanted to come back to gap and at that time the number of opportunities more so dark. I sort of increase likelihood after turning doing them. If I went into software within the hardware and uniting after India's now I think the majority of positions available are more than soccer tonight red lights. It's Jamesy giving me now. We have a big dent. Welcome Still living mass majority. So that's how I got into offer to have more exit exhibited and I I think for me I was able to express myself more. I think this might bus. No it's all fair much more creepy Bannon bannon hardware and other reason too. Yeah that's interesting so other than if you had a choice. We have continued in Grad unexplored Morton Madness at the second reason that I said that Software help me do into practice much again my assumption so although I my bachelors was in competing did my masters and I actually enjoyed that more and doing better at that in the software and come back to your thoughts on hardware is also becoming the more and more of fresh. Yeah yeah instantly. In my previous company. We started working on predictive analysis on a in the vice should be ideally Dane before it actually makes their own or the optimum time to maintenance and it it was a software company. We had nothing to argue and I think that's Sort of becoming. I think maybe the lines are getting in all some companies that are both and Traditionally might have been yes I think Not only title delay the thing that we know. Now it's becoming software planned What game is becoming much begun? Market Vanity Racial Rush on working and things go Toronto. Making those transitions so video also working in the US after graduate news came back here. That in article right after graduation so different teams in from In Jane applications the advocate bridges than in the seven years. Okay so how'd you find the transition from said the applications to a database team which is probably more of a an infrastructure back in. Yeah I think that was video leagues of the Kenya. That was sort of Jane that I wanted do but in hindsight that one of the things that actually it'd be much of a difference when I went into that and today also I see people having those performances reason I ran into a point guard at our golden desert. Children go to innovating was going to be more likely to object now after It it's not that big activating every software very has after regarding the company has the opportunity to do network so yeah I think in hindsight. That's been a big learning for me. One of my colleagues used to say at the end it's on magic. He's ended Learn degree of working Looking and best bigalow me as look for specific take aim that they done back in our day done despite debuting state of Trump look for more logical taking an ability to learn not adaptability thing. What goes back now? What is our fight this for no no hardware big five years back in sort of getting ARC getting much more of an unknown we. The as I might do company are the only two so I think it. It tells me to that to the your different technology. The defend America by I think that equity after was more important than the actual underlying on a year ago them soot went from your experience. What would be your advice for someone who wants to let a switch from applications to the back end systems systems? Are there things that they need to unlearn when they move in addition to being adaptable my balance at place. When I had this conversation addition within Moore was so he asked me do make joist eight so he said Yeah? You can work on thirty seven located whether that is what you enjoy our do. Do Make Solution England coming up our next that solving customer problems and you'll be enjoying so Electoral Board the easy answer. But I think thing that distinction is going to be in the back end. Look at art of Sort of those games of on function declining wages and the APP to have liking for that and application your experiences the you probably have to innovate make much more oster programs taking far market Bag so I think maybe depending on me Preventing again choose that although I think it's not a black or white Both needs texted back climates and even in different into getting on function requirements. So yeah it depends on the bus offense. Yeah that's what's Interesting now But the empathy for the user that you normally say building something understanding what they want. How is going to be used in that mode? New Applications of even manure creating backhander systems affair. How do you get that? How do you understand the usage scenarios? Okay I I think that it's nominee but seemed that empathy for us us are more in the nation and I can't but I don't think it needs to be that there should be that way so the customer for off the back End Services Avi application teams and and the empathy for that user needs to be an and I think the end users empathy has to be unveiled by please feedback games and we also have have these things happening in the L. and a maybe scaling system drew meet our tax requirement are hundred Typically comments to the CAN and empathy for us has to be there if if you say that we are able to do so much spun insane and beyond that aren't able to do it's GonNa Affect the end up so they end up getting some of everything. Get it so I think we definitely need the user be across the board and find ways to make yes through the the trigger for my question. was that in some watching situations what I've come across. Is that when you're talking about an application talking about business users right from their language or how they use the software what problems thank Saul is a little different and that has to be a kind of a bridge on an understanding of that the second aspect is that many times the Dick leads architects. Now have fairly strong views news in terms of how something should be done at least some of them and then your users are also other technical people that are some conflicts that come up in terms of why I will not do something or right cannot be done and stuff like that. So intimate empathy either more about the consumers also probably other developers and understanding understanding that there needs to be different. Than how do we do this. So have you come across any such situations in yard teams yet. So I think empathy for the end customer is slightly easier and is also styled lark. So many people are the word and They're being customers. Thomas that also makes that relationship so much easier to sort of answer the Di Gennaro born make you are usable. Regarding do Nettie expectations McGregor comes committee back in Mrs as the other developers eight so we I don't know Microsoft was was Dane Dale returning microbes of disease. And then maybe the contract become a little bit more negotiate where opinions are. There's no clear Customer being Was Ali shots More difficult but it's essential that as well I've seen anyone specifically take that company name. They automobile right company. Product is how much they make it easy to onboard at a actually collared our company's blog saying that within fifteen minutes you'll be able to they got to be an integrated endeared product. Oh Nice and I've used to today estimated saints if the NRT Tend to so they say how much documentation accommodation That was really really say that much about giving to be is end technical documentation and they've been called our courts being how important finding Karnik Typically comes from the back end assistance so I think yeah input extremely important One more example in article as bodily the end up ligation justice instead of steam flagship onyx article activists to be be putting in immediately senior fellow of the IBM he had joined Nautica Ms Niebler of losing millions of dollars due to insufficient daily's Goes Okay So that dark mean Barton's of even important messages was and having Steve Stuck in a problem. One of the problem onto dude on what exactly to do by yourself and I think the same but they re bringing into into our internal teams that goes offices and housing jealous data. Go a long way. I want to take that threat on micro services and the empathy and the responsiveness. And all that. You've probably seen both the more traditional ways of development and also the when you're ben you have a lot of moving pieces. Do you think the traditional way maybe better because there's more control and more coordination order water. What has been your formula for balancing the need for quick adaptability and to make sure that the legislation on cellphones? Yeah I I think it makes sense That that advantages in the early immortal and fudging landed companies have been coming old allegedly allegedly immortal and now all of us are sort of adopting mycosis advantages yet but I think we have to find the the balance for the company the company might be in different stages of evolution the game might be different stages of expedience and maturity and so we have to adapt to that so and we also in our company have done that thanks to his back when these started goes it. Would you leave your reality. Politic architecture removed and we had completely made capability of separate teams and then just on top of these working games so then what happened was the maps off to give these teams were nick amid our instead of out of tune with the obligations. So then we we organize the markings into consumers and Different Belo's so this gave us the ability to be much more in sync with the APPS. APPS teams on the microphones teams. Aren't that will be used majority of their excuse is GonNa be still be bilking genetic way I think we found the right balance between fuel. Capability Apt groups of applications and capabilities having sort of a Shannon region. That's interesting 'cause you only had a platform that is in production and then slowly you moved from. Monolithic to micro services. Is that correct. Yeah Yeah so how was that. Change handled the internal technical side and for the users. was there any impact on. Yeah so from the technical site physically be sort of gambling overall architecture or his almond things that can be meeting meeting do and on teams around that so the started Building that and the applications using them continual to adopt these mega savers. Aspe- they bartered is backing up. Data Gisu Micro Services Oversight Quarters Jordan's so there was no impact to the news Underneath the covers we are sort of replacing the with portions the one hundred with the hosting handled in this scenario. Probably for some time you had both versions of running and probably some consuming your micro take in some student connecting Yeah so we In to end distinct from the application using Indian Liam then we have this team for the micro services themselves so the testing continues and they have to work look respectable off the underlying architecture and the EPA testing is dumped up for the like was so and then now be onto added these sort of on-track testing the Zuma are the application gives The Microsoft esteem team before the things So we enjoy. That don't seem absurd. Sort of okay. So Oh aren't enjoying the quantity of also in the last two years that your team has also grown and you did mentioned that you look for certain qualities are hiring. So how was that baked make into the strategy off. Transforming Yard So Young Technology and this Oscars board are parts of extremely bar and I think it was coming earlier. Technologies won't change by by the time higher by. I'm like five of us so we look for people who are willing to nine Danes who cj Ej as an opportunity not and We look for those characteristics the interview sort of training for our. Are you as as well to focus on these aspects are evaluation on so as being sort of change driving safe right so we have separate sections Astute Soft skills the by us at our company has and how dare bustled Are Sort of aligned for that and Skinning at this spot of getting people deleting Much smaller people used to be able to communicate. Do do you each other and they just get things done when you're be coming. They don't have that sort of knowledge edged baked into that which is sort of by the same people. We had to focus a lot on those initiatives off increasing For example our automation mate So that when a new person is coming in and checking the goal at the safety net of art commission fees that is provided to them to be safe to make changes and see what works of Art We increased sort of the Level of the Views its giant views and also introduced this to be done before on the West. It's much it helps us on board people and they will do get him to start adding back much sooner documentation and some people Condition Don's need to look into writing on the designing because they said be. We were from the early architecture architecture. TINGES Jarque so new people come in these. In one bosom joined recent savannah she knew Camping eight we had improved that I do not. Oh why instincts so all these things are helping skilled. Yeah so highly spoke about migrating transforming current platform but in terms of the problems. Problems based itself you do a lot of analytics and inherently there is a lot of uncertainty in that of expiratory nature in terms of how you collided them scanned everybody. So how your team handy. Those this is one thing that we still Continuing to work on. So what one of the things that we introduced intimidating as some some kind of Be Distinct on beyond binded disdain. So the sale in May that are different strategies that can be forgot dictum in different strategies that can be used to deliver the campaigns and in certain strategies me better than other strategies and we can hypothesize weekend destroyed thousands of amping campaigns. Earning In point pain man. it's better to actually performance in production and the news that so so this in one of our products are using Ending this again to create sort of experiments of these Strategies are the end result organics until after the next update on Komo invasion disease strategy. That is so we like a different and sort of budgets and experiment and See How would working Back Joe Is August as measured I gain. CPI keep the eye off the and If the distracted helping the game Be any better so is given more range of going forward. I mean this is a cyclic feedback on this. How was your own transition from a decade not as over the career head to a leader so I think I've I've said I started out with them. Pigeons went through this and enter new sufferings of us in ECOMMERCE INFORMATICA which is out. Get out get out of the company. The now attacked Katamon Majidul so the things that I considered important for myself is to be adaptable. So that is something that I focus on and sort of telling myself and sort of each of these jobs means of completely Abbas to Size to enterprise in our attack a Since I son of unjustly focused on that so we'll be seeking change touting You're domain when you went on his knees and Henson's being sort of fairly smooth sailing. Once outside of accepted the Gelin. He wanted to actually make it could happen and Yeah so I think that's been my journey taking on Unarguable morning so how'd you did Yeah so things this at work is I think becoming of warm more almond commend. And and I think when they started off wasn't an in her that much of surplus Army devoting coming on in the navy. Now we are out of this more Art To be shared with people. That would definitely be talking thing or At our company have them to sort of help people who think too. Yeah so thing. Can you do this to me dumb of askew him. IQ Nine freeze cure Excuse intervene gene So yeah so I fight boss the full five years of being spending more or buying fine that that is helping me tremendously to sort of Again accept a certain things rooms eggs stressful except Things at work benefits on fleets. Our parents deadlines and then sort of what who was it and I think fiction armistice doesn't seem to be happening as much Absent for me aren't able to think manager. That's nice because one question that I like to ask our guests end yard waste for people who are considering getting into software or who are about to get into software as a career one. The questions they have are. Is there a future for offense because everybody says that there are things going to be automated and then what kind of job we have. It's attack the second. Is many of them. See this Australia professionals. Putting the law of long hours would we have a life outside of office. So what would be your advice to them. Yeah I think definitely we need all be coming a new software opportunities and An orange again to express itself much repeats there. I think it's the from the most changing industry Franken. Maybe say that might be coming from a famous bike Do all other functions in software sees most change so if people like that and they won't constantly. I think it's fair to be coming to the thing I'd rather automation A Gore thanks And I'm thinking that these challenges will be Small School Than Davis game name People who are afraid of that takeover. That Josh ran right anything any change. I Grin Gaming to India. It'd be employing fair that jobs but I think that the SE although not to mention that as one a different kind of competition. Ed is coming since I firmly believe I think again at seen a debate on the thing. Humans are sort of far superior with talk phase as created by someone posted. Something different thing posing by Elon. Musk quizzes mob thing. I I subscribe booting that Jack Ma. Let's head at humans creates affair and so forth software has included humans in magazine at school to happen. So many fee automated things that will be origin being opened up that suffered erebus get far so gallon. My deep is that that I don't think that is going to change anything for Beagle who can country you'll find you virginity nervous. I think the third thing would be long our software giant so I hear that from soften Ebou but I do see the large functions. For some reason they don't doc voted I've seen a worked with Accountants a out of my building by some originally do that in the legal permission. I think they spend a lot more Amazon. But so I think it's overall letting everyone is looking more and more hard the day because the winces doing that. I think it's become presents in fight on happened. And so I don't think it's particularly to Software so I think I think we gentle it's happening and I think people should take a balanced o clock thanks so I do see that starting to happen now. That things are going up and coming necessities STU things that they want to have. Juries of people have these choices. as To a school denard art school until you need this conscious giants at of digging in old of the Similar having been sure make the judges have hang him for the time for family had dime for hobbies in France. And I keep telling my folks that if you who are what caught Working off begins if a big vacation completely From what really emergency emergency. Someone will call. You need to be taking. You may running because I think even if we do that job at afterwards folks of Work completely switch off and do other things that Glory but city Nice send reassuring on two counts one that there is still future in software and people can get into software and there is life beyond soft Arizo even. Yeah very interesting conversation drama. That's about all the time we have for today. Thanks a lot for taking the time and sharing in your thoughts as we haven't covered your hobbies and other things. Maybe that's another day show. 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Heartland Newsfeed Podcast Network: Bedroom Beethovens (048: Miles Bonny)

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

31:31 min | 1 year ago

Heartland Newsfeed Podcast Network: Bedroom Beethovens (048: Miles Bonny)

"You're listening to bedroom. Beethoven's were notable music makers breakdown stories accompanied by songs and melodies Melody's documenting growth through their ten thousand our journey and me what my name was cello. Your host is episode is brought to you by Masami. Let me tell you. I don't think ever in my life. I've used products that have been truly considered clean beauty meaning shampoos and conditioners would formulas that are naturally derived taking the best of nature nature and eliminating. Anything bad. I was left feeling. Oh so clean and rejuvenated. Masami is a premium natural. Hair Care Brand. That believes everyone deserves serves healthy hair visit them at. WWW that love Masami dot com room. Beethoven the minds. Nobody calls about thank you for this like I was looking forward to this chat. Man I love you interviews. I thank you for what you're doing. It is excellent. People can continue to learn stories. But he's a bedroom Beethoven's find out about it. Sounds like this. The shed light on on on US made why we really need documentation. The new definitely and Welcome friends and listeners to episode forty eight of the podcast I guess this week is so when in his miles. Bonny you're making music. Electing Accord and I make beats sing play trumpet in some of the things. And I guess I produced swore Sage Francis one below Reggie B Ceska. Who John Robinson Percy P dist New Mexico based multi instrumentalist miles body is interesting cat overjoyed? Wait to have them on the show. He grew up around live musicians playing classical music brass quartets Latin jazz broadway opera so being a musician and getting paid to perform mm-hmm is not new to him. But what we both talked about range. From teaching woodworking the genealogy and realize that he's a deep thinker and empathetic soul making making new music. Four old souls miles is a guy. He's a he's a person contributes to create a feeling and artistic feeling a natural Charles Sense of creating a worthy thing to have an interest in being creative and that just go to their jobs fulfilling someone else's agenda expressing your soul. His lifetime is important and this podcast broadcast tries to give those people a voice and get more people following their ambitions by utilizing the creativity of others of course and all his inventiveness the genius with a feeling for music history does not forget where the roots of his harvested fruits lie. We read it back from the days when he was just the son of a trumpeter to skirt the task of leaving the world a better place than when he founded bedroom. Beethoven's is the website goes. Jd Seven is the boss man. He's gracious enough to always lend me his music for the intro and he's got a new vinyl out for preorder so please go get that. It's on delicious blue wax and speaking of buying something support show by grabbing a t shirt on over to the website and I have some tanks sweatshirts and high quality vintage t shirts for you to buy and make sure you subscribe to the a youtube or spotify you know anything that boosts the algorithms of the show to get in front of more people. That's called support. Yeah and I appreciate it Bannon. Bannon feels good to be in twenty twenty guys happy New Year episode. Forty eight miles. Let's get started. I hope I'm not overreaching. Overreaching overstepping but when I start communicating. Just from the I guess limited verbiage I got you. You sounded decided stress man. I know you're a diy type of guy you were car you have a new video and maybe as things progress in you wrap up your thirties. Now I just I hope you're in a good place lately on a real good place. I just liked to mm fill my days so I have like extensive wants as far as Things I would like to create while I guess you know what the last couple weeks's been sick because a lot of family stuff that's positive but dynamic including basically that my partner and a newborn son just left for Australia for three months where she's from so there's a lot of stuff surrounding that in passports end government issues and all the nastiness of America Gotcha and then me just jumping into all the stuff. I do at day and nighttime so I'm kind of excited because I have a little bit more free time here with some of the family out. I'm as much as I miss them so. I'm of a lot of music to do that. I've been waiting on years in the making the so. Yes there's a lot going on but it's not. It's not negative stress at all. The I mean you're not the type of guy this kind of like. Just sit on the couch and binge-watch show offer near this. Seems like your schedules pay. You like to stay busy and creative. Yeah I mean you know especially men being involved in fields that have to do with Preventing for instance drug overdose and just seeing family members. Get sick or or colleagues musician friends dying and I don't want to. I have a lot that I can do and I feel. I'm obligated to doing the lifetime so I wanna get as much done as I can conceive of. Yeah well why can and welcome to my centralized place to showcase. Creativity is Kinda cool because a decade back. You had a show and now you're you're interviewing people on your podcasting so you know it's not it is easy as it may seem em. And I've I hardly our forget most stuff I did but it's I appreciate you me on on. Thanks to the context your dad is from the Midwest but he was a musician and he gigged the New York. I was curious what were some of his experience there and yours as you grew up. 'cause you gotTa have some cool stories. My Dad was also very busy so you know also work in the field of early childhood education so just for context we all basically. Is You know know what we know. Because of what we've been exposed postal code I've been exposed to was very Busy Dude who Work Nights The most accessible played his phantom of the opera for most of its entire. Run although it's still going on now and he's retired but also went to a lot of shows You know I remember being side of the stage while he tendency though point day now and went to the the jazz club with I think Ron Carter and nicholas pain. If the first time who I'm still in touch with just let's see a wide variety music Latin jazz classical set out to Nicholas. I should say Bam Implicit Jazz. But you know what I mean Orchestral things you know when I was a little kid US playing with a New Jersey based Little symphony and they're playing the nutcracker and I got to sit in the pit with them which is like where the orchestra sits in productions on. d- actually let me like hit the woodblock out of nowhere. I didn't practice or anything but here I'm ten years old. You know it's cool when people give you opportunities entrust you as a little kid in those things definitely helped me stay inspired and with great context for musical history. But when he wasn't doing music he had his own Tom. Single operated custom woodworking business. So he was working the day's in line in New York a night on On his motorcycle. Whatever it's it's great for around he lives close to me? Now is pretty wild trip without here in the in the South West even though I grew up with him in New Jersey on and also last he played with Philip. Glass is on some recordings. He was on the beat. St Beat Street Soundtrack. You played horn. You backed up Grace Jones. He was you know he was in the CNN. While I didn't know that about the woodworking stuff It explains a lot because I know you're a handyman and I'm not so much one than I always find when I go to commercial hardware stores. They never have what I need so it even at more of a loss so never worked out for me dramas longer looking for but I hear you the have the technically. You're you're miles westbound caskey. Right I'm factually miles bonny. But historically the Bonnie name came from my Dad's dad whose name was Bonkowski and Or bunny excuse excuse you When he came to America at first I thought will can America because he won't be accepting? That's true but it wasn't right when it came to America was after executing Kevin America long story short didn't know how to read a right got accepted into college. Stay New York even though he denied arena right and then Could speak German learn English and then and changes in component costs you to Bonnie so out here in the South West people was like all you related to win. Bonnie's billy the kid or whatever there's no connection because it was pretty much made up name but it is my legal name. What if you did it like a ancestry dot com kit? It wouldn't go back further than it would stop at your grandfather It's relatively new while it's pretty wild so he was an immigrant In and I actually it goes back real far although pretty much like He was in Poland. But before. Then there's a whole lot of Irish and but anyway so what interesting along those lines I got to go to Poland to residency shutouts grow and Our technologies people out there near Warsaw and all that they Let me a stay from month and Lube Lynn which is southeast in Poland and it turns out it was forty where my grandfather lived as a child and was exiled held by the Russians because he got a cent with his whole village of German speaking Polish people to Siberia basically die in a bunch of siblings died and he made his way to England and in Canada and I got to go inside like where the church was that they used to live in Israel. Cool experience that's that's awesome. But you're able to visit that place and have your own revelations and dig deeper into your genealogy. Not a lot of people have that opportunity one. I feel like as a as a perceived white American who doesn't really feel American American or white or something I'm always kind of looking for context and especially as they get older and Even comes to things like What I should wear what I said? Why do is flakes? No more about that. I want to talk about 'cause not the mispronounce the town you live in but I'll just call it three rocks. It was. It was a boomtown but now there isn't really a middle class. It's just a few hundred residents who live primarily off the grid or in poverty like you're either poor or off the grid and Yeah so I if you if you have a hard time mm-hmm identifying your place in this world is a place like that GonNa help you find your identity by by being more in touch with your resources not taking stuff for granted. You're one hundred percent right. That's exactly how I feel. And even though I spent a lot of time in Taus which is the closest like big town my heart and my favorite physical place to be so far really in America up there in today's speech as you mentioned there's there's a there's an organization around there that actually promoted the thought of liberating art through necessary dislocation. Where they they balk at the dream of suburban and development? The lack of amenities is the perfect intersection of life and art. That's what they believe people. I don't know anything about its foundation. That's actually in in that area. They have a website and everything. Yeah I'd love to learn more if you semi link. I don't know about them absolutely. Yeah I was just thinking 'cause I I always give maslow's theory you know just a lot of thought in my head about you know. Achieving balance in my own life and the theory is very effective when deducing a person's mental and emotional composition so to speak in it also helps me better understand a gives me the ability to respect the values the wants the needs and lives of others. Thor's so maybe in regards to Maslow's theory why did you settle there. How is it meeting your needs now? Because you've been there for a while it stability like I own land and I own a place to sleep in. It's not reliant on any outsource outside utility so if the power goes out you know oh so to speak if the water shuts down or whatever like it doesn't affect me. I don't even have internet their son my phone so like it's just it's like solid it's just like the definition of solitude like I'm chilling like when I was standing up there all the time. What's right now? Adler littered like other end at a natural gas or electricity. went on like all right. You know. It's just nice to know what that's like without being shocked by it when it happens ends because it is happening and it isn't always the smartest to assume that our government and other people are really looking out for us in that things can't go wild and I'm not someone who's scared of anything but I just think it's really good to know what to do. As a result that any of those motives involved the various frustrations you experience being a fulltime artists back in the day. Nah I didn't. I never really wanted to be. I've been a fulltime artist on occasion. But it's never worked out because I'd have to go a lot harder to make money to replace otherwise but beyond that what's even more important is that I don't want to write songs about being an artist artist like I wanna go through life like anybody else and know what's up around me and talk to that because I'm only making music only recording these a to communicate with people who listen to it so I want to record things that are relevant to them and I don't WanNa it's like listening to another recent interview an artist you're saying basically like you know if you're on tour what are you going to say like. Oh it's so hard to be on tourism. My Dad like I don't WanNa say that stuff you know have included some of that stuff in there but I I love community I like I like to get in the corners in the Gut Society. figure out what's going on in see what I can do to try to help out while I'm alive and that's what I do when I'm not making music also say real quick. It's interesting that apparently my grandma told me who she was a music therapist that Maslo she knew maslow's muzzle told her that that he'd been looking for someone to work on music within that she might be the person maybe flirting with her. But it's kind of weird little story. Yeah I mean a lot of people think like Oh you know you have a well a catchment the whole nine. I mean that's that's not how I wanNA live but no bills no frills reclaim reframe land-based notion of the American dream. I'm envious so I mean it's not even about got a choice you know like how. How long was the power out around? Where Iran California for a couple days right? It wasn't needed a change. They're just you know that's nice. At that time. I was posting pictures of my favorite solar lint. Some this is what I recommend you know like I'm not I'm not a doomsday. I'm not a proper but yeah I do like to know what's up with you know what. What's the solution when you can't rely on those? I think I bring up the whole maslow's thing I find the understanding that a a person's objectivity is limited by their condition has helped me rid myself of anger towards those that have not reached. I self actualization mainly I wanted to know if I'm making deductions based on a faulty theory or is it still considered pretty solid psychology. Well in how much of that is about out your what you what to your coupled with your own accomplishments or not so much my own. But if it extend to my family for instance brain draper's wife Taryn and quit her job to help her husband run certificate program at the University of Kansas School of music. And I'm always intrigued at people who don't tore three hundred days out of the year and they try to make a new album every every year. You can take the experience you have and apply them to teaching producing or social work. Even your wife can join you or your your kids look up to you and they I wanNA do when they grow up and I find that to be very selfless or is just fulfilling the needs of the person to choose to do it. Also you know like I'm trying to find a I mean you know in in in in selling most of my things moving into a portable trailer in buying land and building something. I've had gone from my dad. Extreme of like getting a lot of possessions possessions in starting over in society not starting over. But you know what I mean with physical goods and then as all assault trying to we're going to be in the middle like what do I value person. What have I inherited from the culture surrounded by to that end? I'm just trying to figure out especially with respect to my interaction with society. Minor actions money interaction with. That's how I use my time and spent on my family. What is balanced like for me? I like investigating that. I guess like even for Brandon like I mean that's what he's good at is like basically being entertaining and being a good percussionist and educator and it is dope that that was an opportunity for his wife In so for me. I'm getting closer to having daytime employment. That is what I would like to be doing but because I don't know what that is all the time I'm just really enjoying exploration Jason into you know figuring out What that would be the the flu goal is your mistress trumpet is your spouse? Don't forget which. which are you may lose your house? Can you explain that. I like my Flugel Horn a lot. It's definitely like the one it's the first one. I bought my own money because the rest of my Gotten USA Dad. You know it's I've been through some things it came on European tour's of me and it got banged up and it's a little fragile but it's got a nice war I like having I feel like the valves on it kind of buttons if you will. They're closer to my mouth on a on a trumpet and it's the same reason why leave trying to create a pocket trumpet which is a small because I realize that my hands posted my mouth when I'm playing but also the flu one has a nice warm tone that might kind of mimic my voice naturally little bit. I am going to start to bring aforesaid trumpet because I'm just ready for it you know it's nice to have both uh-huh I think it's like you know you can't you can accelerate the flag orne unless you are good at the trumpet and because the trumpet is usually the star of the show. Oh maybe I started the cornet because I had random awards but that's a good way to interpret it. Yeah I heard that the flu Flugel Horn mouthpieces fundamentally wrong for the taper of the instrument which causes these intonation problems. I mean maybe I kinda welcome intonation problems I have A. I'm working on another album or finishing up an definitely's random potentially out of two chords as I like to call it community been sound. I like that kind of stuff. 'cause I almost feel like there's so much music out there. In the Sony players are clean and like engineers. And that's cool. I like to humanity in the in the Ranas. It's like It's like a visual art visual to see some physical rather than like a You know twelve by twelve print from some architectural computer based design. You've been building. You can look at some buildings like that shit was made on a computer with the design instead of like some real handled hint. Craftsmanship that gives its character number more than two. That stuffy feel like Tom. Brock was kind of a musician that had character. I love Tom Brock. I was I have I guess I I guess only have one album. I don't have any honesty ad but that was a great discovery. Especially just because I'm a sucker for Good drums bass. And that's what pretty much Barry White did and then you have someone like. He produced that Tom Brock album. This is so thick breath. Basically what I'm missing is like well you know I've been there myself but I'm out here. I'm getting a little a lot for instance because there are a lot of sounds. I'm ready to try to capture well as far as live instruments and on which is like I got a plan because it's just efficient. That would do you think the result of streaming music is taken away from the art. Doug my biggest issue streaming music is a Is just so. It's it's it's the ability perhaps it's will there's two two parts of the answer. I guess one is that I've realized recently I was talking about life. Insurance like all the rest of comes from small small businesses and I never thought that way but I'm a fan of like a very small culture so like when I was a teenager and I would go to New York on the weekends. Myself my favorite the items that I would enjoy seeing experiencing or buying were in like the village and they would be like someone's idea and they had one shop and they would sell some random shit that other stories didn't sell and that was like my favorite kind of stuff to see and similarly now that the Internet exists period. I think I'm less less pissed off about it for music. I'm for just the way in. which it gobbles up? All of the cultures around the world that are connected to it and then suddenly people addressing In Berlin or fucking here dressed the same or whatever you know. That's what I miss. You know I miss that. I Miss I really like regional small interesting diverse culture and music feeds into that the physical products. That musicians might make When I was in college in Lawrence Kansas I was very much inspired by my peers? You know who had a new CDs. WE'RE GONNA new album allowed to see what they did that. Show a look at their merch right and the Internet. That was there but people weren't really using it like there wasn't Amazon and so now it's like my approach is kind of like not work with the label which can sometimes be disappointing pointing anyway. I'll just be like blue song like get this out of my life because I wanna make some more stuff and I'm not really worrying about you. Know what to do with their to be strategic. Because I really don't on I really don't care The thing that probably most strategic with Lenox Dobbs. 'cause I know it's something to really connect with in all probably have to put some money into but I don't hit the Internet bullock. There's always you miss about whatever the current time are you noticing its effect on the youth. Like maybe do you believe. There are significant neurological advantages youth. Who Participate in school and Community based music training as opposed to like private music lessons? Wow was the question honestly out here. They don't have many options. This this is a small town. There's only like how many people in this termite three thousand now there's like there's like thirty thousand in the county so so Daren't many options here I think that's socializations really important. Something that I'm running into hearing from staff at schools and stuff like that Is that You know there's a lot of pressure on teachers nowadays A lot of their pay and successes based on the the students you know. There's there's an increasing disconnect between this kind of What is it a factory mind state of education versus a adapting and adjusting acting to the very quick perceptions of younger people who have access to the Internet in answers and opinions at the touch of a button so they think and we need to both be like supportive of that and understanding of it and adjust to it but also help to educate them about the ways in which having patients in other skills? That don't always come with. The Internet will be essential to their successful living. That can bring great frustration. If you don't understand the basic elements of human life outside outside of your expectations in your relationship with your phone. Are you having parents or teachers. Come up to you and saying wow miles. I'm already noticing a change in in in my kid. The academic trajectory trajectory of my kid is soaring because of your intense music training. Shit while you know what the funny part is out even do music trading. I do I'm basically like I do some music stuff on with kids but like I brought some cool stuff you know when I'm doing things. We basically what I do is like when I was in college again. I kind of helped organize my musician. Edition friends into collectives or brands. That would make all what we create more supported in easily accessed by the rest of the community. And now I kind of do that for nonprofits for topics of social concern so I work in the fields of early childhood education on as far as The wide variety of issues that that community in parents are facing how to improve them as well as teenagers. basically preventing them from dropping out of school will in doing selling drugs and getting arrested. Kinda my goal. I don't know how many people walk up to you and say thank you but you're doing a lot of good for a lot of people so that it could stuff well. Well thanks for doing your podcast at all hopes for sure man and you got a new song out a new video. I Love Duet in the PJ Morton Jo-jo seems like you're gearing up for a very loud out twenty twenty. My wife is from Australia. She's phenomenal singer. I tell people that I couldn't I can sing. But she sings my line and so we're really great impair and musically. Now that we've kind of you know adjusted to living things in her moving into American all that because she's from Tasmania Australia. We met Melbourne. I mean we are going to work on an album together. I am trying to as a result finish my solo album first and then that we can spend most of the twenty twenty four hundred miles. She has album already you're on. CBS violence called cliffside woman and her artist. Name is shore S. H.. H DOC produced. Used it and I thought that was really important that she has much leadership there. And it's possible obsolete. It's not my place to decide that. But what I mean by that is it's great for artists on the first projects especially to do exactly what they feel. Because you never going back to that place as you learn more about how to publicly axe to it would evernote so pure so. Hers is very minimal very vocal focused. And if you're into great singing or harmonies she has definitely kind of Irish rush. Influence real women's strong kind of vibes com. Check her out but yeah we did like two or three songs together. So far and I look forward to working on an actual cohesive Lisa project with her because really co-produce she always brings the magic. Try to rent out the rest. It's good stuff and I was just introduced to her. And when you guys come together and painting it and I wish we it had more rap with a brass section like public enemy harder than you think or should even trick daddy take it to the house. Our care but brass sections are very underutilized. There was a brass band from New Orleans. Zuma's here played the man might have to put up. Anyone played this rap song that had a whole bunch of brass in it in. And they're like they're like that's uh I like playing their backgrounds. Super cool disconnected dots because people always told me satellite with respect to the brass culture and I finally went there and just to be able to go outside downtown in the city and see a bunch of brass and drums to me is just the best ambience ever and I wish it happen a lot more cities. Do you and me both wall miles you. You have a podcast yourself. So I kind of feel like you didn't have to be thank you for indulging me on my show and give me some of your time and I do want to dedicate this episode to the memory of wake self. Yes thanks man appreciate that Wake is it was pretty much my the New Mexico based hip hop artists to. I looked up to the most as far as collaborator. Someone I was hoping to grow Roth musically and I hope still hope to even though he passed in He did so much for this state and he's left such large legacy that I really hope will encourage everybody else to Step up to the plate and Represented disregarding the country today that you did on. My podcast is called records ceremony. I haven't given it much effort. I was thinking today that I've done some other injuries. I need to edit put out Kinda just feel my way through it. I I was going to make I totally based on horn players on and then I wanted to other people. Oh but I'm actually. I guess the news on that is I bought a new portable recording device. Allow for me to get really good audio. And I think I'm GONNA spend more time interviewing the people around me because there are some interesting people out here and I kind of feel like I love listening to conversations. People find interesting in general and so I'd like to do the more that really highlights the characters that around here in addition to maybe doing some recording from afar as well but It's been good to be with you. Thanks for the invite him you know. It's no comparison in having your own podcast. Because I wouldn't think ask myself these questions so it's always interesting in appreciate all the work in after you put in 'cause you've definitely on out in I don't know what to expect but there's a lot of content here that I still follow on. Yeah I mean I listen to your podcast. I know you value interesting conversation. So if you go through my back catalogue and listen. That's that's a win for me-mexican Nassar more. I hope your own podcast blows up. Because apparently is the new hotness. Everybody has a podcast but good. PODCASTS are far and few between so thanks for being here man. podcast okay the.

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Afghan women take a seat with the Taliban at the negotiating table

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Afghan women take a seat with the Taliban at the negotiating table

"Support for the world comes from hint water. Hint is water infused with fruit essences like watermelon and blackberry no sweeteners no calories in stores or delivered direct to your door from drink hint dot com hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. I WanNa tell you about another show you might enjoy Ted ex shorts hosted by Tosa. Leoni tech shorts will immerse you in surprising knowledge fresh perspectives and moving stories from some of the most compelling tech's community talks out there. Star each day with short eye-opening ideas on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you listen. He's talks underway the Afghan government and the Taliban trying to end twenty years of war at the negotiating table for women. It's not easy work. We feel a kind of. A heavy responsibility on our shoulders. I'm Marco Werman and in Lebanon is the government even listening to the people? Well, I mean, for government this the people you need to have a government to begin with that we don't avalon right now political stalemate in Beirut and in Belarus and opposition leader has a message for Americans value, your freedom and democracy. This is what inspires the whole world and in a lockdown in Verona we set our seen a happy ending this time delivered in IAMBIC Pentameter, all that and more today here on the world. I'm Marco Werman, this is the world. It's good to have you with us today president trump has been pretty clear. He wants to end the war in Afghanistan and bring the troops home. Peace talks are now underway the Afghan government and the Taliban are meeting face to face in Qatar back in Afghanistan. Plenty of women are worried that their hard earned rights could be lost if the Taliban comes back to power the Afghan. Government's negotiating team includes a handful of women. The World Sharon Jafari spoke with two of them. The talks are taking place in a giant. Ballroom the capital Doha. On the opening the there was a huge TV screen on the wall with the wars, Afghanistan peace negotiations, the cross it, and even some mood music in the background. I. When the Taller won't ruled on Assan in the nineteen ninety s music like this or any music in fact, would have been bent the Taliban follow strict version of Islam, and fear is what many women remember of the years very empowered. Now Habiba Sarabi says sitting face to face with the group's leaders brings up not sophie motions. Nervous but we came here with a lot of. Responsibility soapy is one of four women on the Afghan negotiating team with about twenty men. It's not easy work. We feel a kind of a heavy responsibility on our shoulder heavy responsibility because back home women are counting on Sarabi and her colleagues to stave quad what they've achieved in the past two decades today women in Afghanistan can hold public office. Sabi herself is an example of that. She was the first woman to be elected governor show served as the Minister of Women's affairs and. Vegetation. But snobby today the prospect of a hardline Taliban comeback looms large mentality. No, they are different. There is no difference between Taliban and the Aliban ninety on the behavior. We can see a little bit change on that. Afghans. Are watching closely she says, they're looking for signs couture view what the new Taliban mindset is. For. More. Because they're in a recent TV interview. Spokesman Mohammad Name, but refused to make eye contact with a report. Now Guess Herash viewers immediately took to social media to comment. Some said, it's a sign that the group has changed at all. That is still used women as less than. But others slip interview was promising that it showed Taliban representative winning to sit down with a woman on camera. Still so far ten days into the negotiations the two sides have only discussed procedural matters. Especially, they've been talking about the talks but Donna, but Turner Boyd Balloon K. Chiasson Houghton could make them show you for. So matty attack is taking part in the negotiations she tells me from Doha that the slow progress shows just how much mistrust and scepticism there is. She says his team is staying in separate buildings from the Taller Balm but that they do bump into each other from time to time outside of formal sittings. Back in Afghanistan, the violence continues just speak as two sides are getting ready to meet. In Doha, a local official indemnities province was shot dead. More, authorship passing me who has to Jill. Is. No. She says we want an immediate ceasefire. Of CONISTON are tired of the budget goes onto. Tell me it's time to stop the kidding but this hot on say they're not ready to agree to a ceasefire. So since she came to Doha hit phone has been ringing nonstop. She gets Mrs from people back home asking how the talks are going. So far she doesn't have much progress to report I ask what she thinks about the process taking so long. IAGO stinky Muslim Russo Jealous Russia, or block in a bag not to Jimmy there since. Every day we asked when are we going to start talking about the real issues she says but? We're Afghans we've been at war for forty years. What's a couple of more days to start talking about peace? For the world I'm sure in. The last couple of weeks, the world has been bringing you coverage of the crisis that migrants are facing on the Greek island of Lesbos twelve, thousand, five, hundred migrants and asylum-seekers lost their homes lost pretty much everything after a fire raise the Morio refugee camp there the European Union is watching closely had a handle asylum and migration has been a divisive issue in the EU today though the e you tried to put forward a solution mandatory pack that would affect all twenty-seven EU countries you commission President Ursula, von called it a sustainable solution migration is complex. The all system to deal with it in Europe no longer words. So. What's in that plan and what impact would it have across Europe? The world's Lydia Manley joins us from Lesbos in Greece what exactly what this pact require countries to do it would require that all countries in the EU pigeon to help manage migration and asylum in some ways. So countries would either have to take people in relocate migrants and refugees to their countries or if they don't WanNa do that they'd be required to help return those whose applications are rejected to their home countries initially Marco there had been some talk of instituting mandatory quotas. So each country having to host. A certain number of migrants and refugees but some countries like Hungary and Poland have strongly opposed that came out today was a compromise. What is the commission proposing to do to the asylum process? A couple other things they WANNA do is one speed up the asylum procedure so that once people make it to the e U, they're not waiting here indefinitely, and another thing they wanna do is beef up security. So toughened screenings and checks at the border and not just within the EU but at the countries where people are coming from from the perspective of the EU. Commission, what is the intention of the plan we'll marco there were two words that commissioners kept repeating at the press conference today solidarity and responsibility. So you commissioned vice president, but these seeing us his Greek said, it's unthinkable that the EU still doesn't have a cohesive migration and asylum policy. We learn the lessons of two, thousand sixteen and the failure of the European Union to establish. Stern agreement. That is very president with us. That's why we need to start with everyone on board everyone around the table. So he's talking about you know Europe, at the height of the migrant crisis in two, thousand, Fifteen, twenty sixteen, and in terms of responsibility commissioner said today that managing migration and asylum shouldn't fall to just a few countries. So for years now countries here in southern. Europe like Greece, where I am have been on the frontline of this crisis because of their geography, they've been disproportionately affected by the influx of migrants and they've accused northern European countries, which also by the way tend to be richer of not doing their part. So this pact also tries to address that and take some of the burden off of Greece and other countries in this region. What are you hearing from advocacy groups and NGOs? What's their reaction to this proposal? Many people are not pleased at all with this pact. They say totally misses the mark I spoke earlier today with Marissa Ryan heads the e U Office for Oxfam, which is an international group of twenty NGOs what's coming from the commission today looks like the lowest common denominator for us and we're seeing much more emphasis on returns. We're seeing moves towards ensuring that development assistance is spent on border control rather than poverty eradication, and we have no guarantees Scott. What is being announced is actually going to protect and make a meaningful difference in the lives of people who are fleeing for their lives. Lydia's you think about this plan, the e U is proposed and you think about some of the people who Lost their homes and the fire at Maurya I mean, does it feel like that? You plan could be what they need. Well from what I've seen on the Ground Marco ever since the media fire at twelve thousand people were on the streets. They didn't have basic things like shelter food water. They've now been moved into a new camp and they tell. Me that a lot of those conditions are still ongoing. There are now hundreds of cases of coronavirus in the camp. So I think right now, a lot of these people are thinking about one having their immediate needs met and also having their asylum applications processed. So they can leave this island. A lot of people have been here for more than a year. And they just want to leave. The world leading Amana leaders speaking with us from Lesbos Greece. Lydia thanks very much. Thank you, Marco. It's already getting colder here in Boston that means a lot more time indoors soon for those of us in the northern hemisphere inside, it's Kinda worrisome to think about how the Karuna virus could spread preventing transmission indoors was the focus of our discussion on facebook live this week in collaboration with Harvard's h Chan School of Public Health. The world's Alana Gordon moderated the conversation and joins me I. I got to tell you a lot there seems to be a lot of confusion around corona virus transmission these days especially when it comes to aerosols reminders first of all, what are aerosols? So Marco these are really small particles. They're like one to ten microns in size can remain suspended in the air when you beat them out travel beyond six feet and then held by others this is compared to the bigger droplets like when you sneeze and this weekend, the CDC posted an update to the website and said, yes, this needs to be taken seriously Joanne is the professor of exposure assessment. Science. At Harvard School of. Public. Health and he's when he saw this he was like finally that's a landmark shift because people in my field myself included since early February have known that airborne transmissions happening we've been yelling from the rooftops trying to alert the world but then there was this big news earlier this week when the CDC removed the guidance instead it was posted by mistake that is confusing. Totally and even the WHO has moved the needle a little bit on this the agency does now acknowledge that airborne transmission is happening the point of debate and all this Marco is like just how common it is and where. So, long what is the current advice like how do we make indoor spaces safer? So. Here's where there's more clarity. Transmission of Krona virus is just a lot more common indoors compared to outdoors a lot and that's especially the case when you're in close proximity to other people, and of course, the longer the period, the longer the risk right that makes sense because the big outbreaks we've been hearing about are. Indoors yeah, I mean think about jails in Ohio overcrowded housing in places like Mumbai workers and packed meat packing plant in Germany. Those big droplets or the small ones they transmit more easily inside and so acknowledging even the possibility of airborne transmissions important in what we can do. Here's Harvard's Joe Allen again. Just means you have to ask one more control to what you're doing already and washing, masking distancing. Just make sure you're also thinking about ventilation and filtration indoors to address this far field or longer range transmission that can happen. So yes, distancing from others that matters a lot wearing a mask matters and then diluting and cleaning the air can further reduce those particles. So. If we're indoors, should we open a window? I mean ventilation in simple terms means getting outdoor air in Allen says in a home without that typically takes more than an hour for the air to fully changed clear out what's in it. What if it is impossible to open a window? What if you live in a basement apartment you don't have windows. So Harvard's Joe. Allen says, there are other tools to help with this. You can use certain kinds of filters and ventilation systems and finally Marco. I want to add that even leaders like Dr. Anthony Fauci. With Nih they've been shifting in acknowledging aerosols. So I want to just wrap up by playing a clip from the daily show with Trevor Noah from this week voucher you responded to fire hose. Of questions about what to do in different scenarios inside including this one. If you in a movie theater, some people are going to movies around the country and you're watching Christopher new movie tenants right and there's only two people in the cinema. Do you put your Moscow and You keep it off if this? So physically distanced away from you, you probably could keep it off but remember you gotta be. Because in the theater if there's not good ventilation, there could be aristotle than that myself. What I would do I would probably keep it on just to be safe. All right I got it. Dr Phil Gee, wear a mask and keep that fresh air circulating the world's Alana Gordon. Thanks very much with this. Thanks. 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Go right now to indeed dot com slash the world terms and conditions apply offer valid through September thirtieth I'm Marco Werman your with the world. Across Italy attention has turned to a recent murder outside of Rome. The victim was black. He was beaten to death by a group of white men. The world's Rupa Shenoy reports Willie Monte Duarte was born in Rome to parents from Cape veered he had just become an Italian citizen and at twenty one years old was an aspiring chef at a hotel in a town near Rome. All that ended early this month when he tried to break up a fight and instead was beaten to death himself. Prime Minister just say Gone Day attended workdays funeral and hundreds marched in a candlelight procession to call for justice to white brothers were arrested in Duarte's death and have been charged with murder. Some believe they should also be charged for committing a crime, but that's where things get complicated. Maybe another case would be absolutely OCCA- is of racism but in this case based on the fact that we know we do not know at the end Julia. Corinne is an attorney with an Italian Association of Immigration Lawyers. She says, there needs to be concrete evidence of racist motivations. These would be done before as we know that moment of the key Linga this boyswear shouting you are black or something, but that's not the case other say that Duarte's death is evidence of growing fascism in Italy. Marcello Mainieri is an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Milan be coca who studies race and power. has this history of cost of the male body stronger. Me Fell Rome? That's ruled the world. Domination the brothers charged into our taste death have pleaded innocent their bodybuilders who were into mixed martial arts and have police records. Those people like they owned the community a wanted to patrol their territory in the end I think that's whether they saw this black guy. we are the people who master control, the territory, not him, and that's a fascist instinct. T says Judith Sunderland argues the brothers behavior can be fascistic and racist. She's deputy director of Europe for Human Rights Watch based in Milan fascism as it was developed and implemented and experienced here in Italy had very racist dimension to it and Sunderland says that while Italian. Law Enforcement requires clear cut indications to declare an attack racially motivated. That's not how racism often works and reality it's unfortunate that so much of the conversation has revolved around this insistence on while it's not racism. It was all these other things but the absolute wasn't racism because that means that people aren't ready for the kind of reckoning that is necessary in order. To really address systemic discrimination and racism in our societies yet last week to artists family released a statement saying they didn't want their son's death to be used as a political tool to talk about racism or fascism. They wrote quote Willie was the victim of cruelty and unjustified ferocity which had no color or race unquote I understand why they did this statement i. Think I can understand, but it disappointed am technically a daughter of Eritrean immigrants. Her thousand seventeen documentary explored the lives of children of immigrants in Italy. She doesn't know the Duarte family, but speculates that they were trying to fend off racist attacks online technically believes if Duarte had died in the US, there would be a larger mainstream discussion about racism for me is obviously. racy stocks. It's a bit dangerous saying that he's not racist because it is. and. She says as long as Italians don't recognize racism they won't be able to address it. For the world I'm Rupa Shenoy. A rigged election, violent government crackdown, and political repression orchestrated by Alexander Lukashenka the President of Belarus for twenty six years make that five more. Today Lukashenko was sworn in for a term in an unannounced ceremony. One opposition politician called it a secret meeting thieves joining me is Franck via Charca. He's a Belorussian analyst with the Atlantic Council starting from now Lukashenka lost to the remains of legitimacy. He say it but I don't care about your opinion. I will be the president for five more years and perhaps this radicalized protest. You describe yourself as a journalist, but you've also been part of the opposition movement to look for years. We should note your father is also an opposition politician you studied at an interesting school, the Belorussian humanities lyceum. What is that school in? What does it stand for? La Soon, as them all this Colin Belarussian language which was given independence knowledge from Belarus, he's the rent culture. And it was closed by Lukashenka. So we were studying in on the ground for many years and still exists it works underground and many young and cool people are graduating from the school. So the school became the nest of the new generation of pro-democracy activists are billers and I think I am one of them these days it may be obvious but why did look shut it down? We know looking came to power he tried to sterilize the political social cultural sphere of billers source. He dismissed the parliament many opponents detained arrested many journalists where kilt and into thousands of their history is the political sphere. He started building power vertical, serve his own interests. He wanted every piece of the state to serve him, and now we have everyone dependent on Lukashenka and this is why for protesters it's so. Crash, the system and I'm afraid that without destroying the system in the state by itself, it's be possible to make the democratic revolution brothers. Frontal. How did your time studying at the bill Russian humanities lyceum and Lukashenko's dismissal of it? How did it influence your identity as? Belorussian citizen. was like fourteen fifteen years old beg them and they didn't believe that Lukashenko's stay for. So long we wear making jokes of him. We were mocking him we were saying that the Lukashenka kids like the mistake of the history and now fifteen years after nothing really changed the system still in place and we really underestimated the seriousness of the situation. So I think if I would know the L. regime, it will become so strong fifteen years after I fight harder, I would be more active back then. Franck finally you're on radio in the US right now, what do you want to say to? Americans what do you think they should know about Belarus in the Belorussian people. I the full video, your and democracy. This is what inspires the whole world for US Belarussians United States was always they exemple the modal, the symbol of freedom and we were always counting on America in terms of help in terms of our fight for democracy. Recently. Last year America's not so active unfortunately in international affairs support democracies worldwide but many people around the world really need to protect America America built on the on values built on ideas of personal freedom and definitely value freedoms you have now because it's very easy to lose and it's very hard to fight back. That is an important thing to keep in mind front via. Georgia Belorussian analyst with the Atlantic Council. Thank you for speaking with us. Thank you. We'll be right back with more in the next half hour of the show you're listening to the world. 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What we can all learn from slave ship Still. Ahead you're on the world. I'm Marco Werman your with the world where a CO production of GBH NPR EX president trump reminded supporters this week that he's been nominated for a Nobel. Peace Prize for the second time with both nominations trump got the nod from a far-right lawmaker in Norway well known for his anti immigrant views among the far right in. Europe trump has proven to be. A popular figure specifically, though we wanted to know the actual impact trump's time in office has had on popular parties in the far right over there the world's Europe correspondent Orla Barry reports from London just hours after Donald Trump won the twenty sixteen election Marine Le Pen one. Of France's leading far right politicians took to the stage at parties headquarters in Paris visionary. These visit is that you cool. The Americans voted Lapenne said and they've rejected the status quo next door in Germany Franca. Petrie then leader of the far-right alternative of for Deutschland or AFDC party declared on twitter this night changes the USA Europe and the world and a Briton Nigel garage the former UK independence. Party. Leader linked the brexit campaign to trump's election America the twenty-six. Is GonNa be the Year of two great political revolutions I thought Brexit was big. But boy this looks looks like it's going to be even bigger before twenty sixteen and the rise of trump. He was almost unthinkable for politicians in Europe to be looking towards the White House for inspiration. The most remarkable development he is that trump and what he stands for challenged the long tradition of anti-americanism Scott via Toshka is a history lecture at. Wayne State University in Detroit. She says in the past American presidents mostly represented everything that the far right in. Europe opposed on restraint capitalism. In other words, you know globalized free market economy and interventionist. Some would say imperialist foreign policy and then trump came along and he challenged both of these stereotypes of the United States. Toshka was born in Nuremberg the city made infamous by the Nazi party rallies of the nineteen thirties featuring Adolf Hitler. Watching the rise of Germany's far-right FD party in recent years has been distressing for people like Sylvia. Toshka. But not entirely surprising Germany always had a far-right element even when I grew up. They were kept more under the LID and the two thousand ten's a made it possible for for these people to show their face more in public. That's how I look it'd the FDA is not alone the League party initially and the VOX party in Spain or to other far-right parties seen their support grow steadily in the last few years but don't political scientists cast mover who's written a number of books about the virus is very little of this can be attributed to president trump. It's important to remember that far right politics dates trump both in the US but particularly in Europe by decades and parties like Dalstrom Freedom Party or. The national rally in France really don't have to look at trump's for ideological motivation. They actually have a much more developed ideological frame than from will ever have mid that says, trump himself pays very little attention to the politics of Europe, but that's not the case with all of his diplomats. Some of the US ambassador's in Western Europe have tried to normalize far-right parties won't can think of Richard Grenell in. who was criticized for normalizing the A E and in the Netherlands even stronger whiff US ambassador took Stra. An allegedly formed for democracy leaders met with at the US embassy to discuss their plans for the future. Trump's former strategist. Steve Bannon Bannon has been on a never ending euro trip supporting far-right parties across the continent and he's preparing for a long war. To be waged from the thirteenth, century Abbey and Color Pardo Italy. BANNON's plans to open an academy prommoting ideology in that monastery outside of Rome is getting pushback from Italy's culture, ministry, he'll to set up a think tank in Brussels aimed at supporting populist parties in Europe Book Bannon, is hardly driving ideological force here says French political analyst Yves Camus parties like the National Front in France have been doing just fine and their own committee says when Steve Bannon tried to present himself as the man who could unite vague Chirac in European forgot very involved in thing. v National Francois's strong. Willed before Steve Bannon became knowing Washington DC. So the ad need him, but it's not just about political parties Patrick Hermansen with hope not haste a British group that campaigns against racism and extremism. He says Trump's election in twenty sixteen gave a boost to far right grassroots movements in Europe Hermansen who's originally from Sweden went undercover for year in twenty seventeen to report on these groups in Europe and the US he was at the protest. CHARLOTTESVILLE. The Day Heather Heyer was killed in a car ramming attack by a man who espoused neo Nazi and white supremacist beliefs. Right on that corner. Happen wrecking. Hermansen, says, no one could have predicted hairs desks. But after spending months with these groups, he says, he did expect the things could turn violent. These people were increasingly willing to make violence Davick you're quite clearly. Based on how they feed like you say. How it will soon be too late to save the UK or the US when Hermansen went public revealing his year undercover he received personal threats from far right supporters for many months afterwards today he says he feels relatively safe looking to November third Hermansen says the far right supporters he mashed across Europe will want to see trump win a second term political scientists Kazmi. The agrees trump will treat them at the Very least, the same as the others as the mainstream parties whereas Biden will probably be very much against the far right not just in the US but outside as well. So it makes perfect sense that they would prefer trump over biden whoever wins the November election though all of the experts I spoke with agree that the far right in Europe is here to stay for the world I'm more Tiberi in London. Now to Lebanon where the state is barely functioning the Lebanese currency is in free fall unemployment is above thirty percent and politicians cannot agree on who should be in charge Lebanon's President Michel own literally said this week that his country could be going to hell if a new government is informed soon now was the president's quote to hell own added there does not appear to be any solution on the horizon. Hey, Co women is with the International Crisis Group where he's a project director for Lebanon Syria and Iraq he's currently in Cairo. I hate go what's the hold up with forming a new Lebanese cabinet So Tussle. was going to get the Ministry of Finance, which are clearly in a situation like this run when you need to talk to the IMF and all of this is A. Very crucial one but but the larger problem is It's a struggle for influence It's I. Mean of course has La and you have other parties and took. That are struggling for influence next government and how many ministers you are able to put in them means how much influence You have. The Prime Minister of Lebanon, the designated prime minister most. ADIBA recently, proposes shakeup of ministries which I in recent years I understand been allocated according to Lebanon's sectarian government system. Such a move happening the shakeup diminished shell finance has been. That's the big prize fighting over has been so-called Shia Ministry for now. Something like five six years I believe were mistaken. Wasn't before the Lebanese system is actually not as inflexible as as this would suggest, it's like certain ministries are allocated to certain parties but now with the system so much under pressure elites feeling themselves corner. And you don't know where things are going between the Garonne you don't who's going to be sitting in the White House next year on all of this. the likelihood that anybody is going to make any compromises risk, take any risks. By being flexible. A PS quite low. So. You mentioned Hezbollah considered by the US of the terror organization but they've been receiving growing criticism especially since the August report explosion in Beirut. Can you envision a government without Hezbollah? Yes but you cannot envision government. That Hezbollah agrees to and as let's say, somewhat comfortable with. A million very simple that one of the two big parties that represent the Shiite community, the other party she had argued that that is there I'm. Walks with them in. Lockstep So if you have those two big parties against you against the government, the government will not work because the system is built that way the system is building a way to make sure that none of the. Communities. Can Be excluded. No. So you need to get them go after onboard somehow. Yesterday. There was a large explosion in the south of Lebanon. It left a large crater and caused damage to some buildings in the reports. Say it was a Hezbollah weapons depot that experienced a quote unquote technical error. What is the local sentiment towards Hezbollah stocking weapons in populated areas? The issue of of Hezbollah's weapons is a very divisive. People who are supportive of the Party in general. Then, you will hear. Good explanations for this for things like that. Maybe some grumbling but no condemnations and if you ask people against Hezbollah project against epic line, you will, of course he he had the most fiery. Condemnations you hear people coming up with now tips that's supposedly proved that Hezbollah was even depart explosion and the fact is it is extremely divisive and is really depends we'll ask. To hear about a political logjam just over a month since such a graphic illustration of dysfunction in the Lebanese government the terrible and massive explosion at the bay report is the government not listening to the people. Well, I mean for government does the people you need to have a government to begin with and we don't have one right now you can definitely say that the established existing political elites status quo parties if you want. Another very good in listening to the people and very good at blaming the opponents. Everything. That is wrong. I think I would I would say the politically has a in Lebanon Sylla's has gotten what? received a message stay still don't understand. This game that been playing what twenty years is is really up were they're still playing by the old rules, but in the meantime, the country thinking. Co Women with the International Crisis Group he's the project director for Lebanon Syria and Iraq. They're thanks very much Echo Yala. Thank you. Have a nice day. In Seventeen, ninety, five, a ship call the Mary departed from Providence Rhode Island. It was heading to cities along the West African coast in what are now the countries of Senegal, Liberia, and Ghana a year. Later, it returned to the United States with one hundred, forty, two enslaved men, women, and children aboard. We know this because it's written down in the long book from the Mary that book was recently discovered in a closet in California now has a new home at Georgetown, university where it's being digitized Adam. Kaufman is a historian at Georgetown when you first held his logbook in your hands Adam and look through it. What were you feeling? I was feeling. Kind. Of Astonishment. Such an artifact actually existed and. It was right in front of me and I could turn the pages and read the text is that kind of immediacy Incident Medias you feel being right in front of an artifact. Quite unparalleled and I'm assuming pretty good condition. What does it look like? It's a big book. It's. Physically large oversized script, and so you really get a sense of there's something weighty when it arrived, it was in pretty good condition all things considered but the pages were a little afraid a little torn. The whole thing was was quite fragile. It's also emotionally weighty. There were a hundred and forty two enslaved African people on board the Mary we know that a what does the book tell us about them what we know about their lives? Well, the book tells us almost nothing about the. Doesn't tell their names doesn't tell us. Where they came from originally how they got onto the vessel of the Mary. All it tells us is that they're on board that vessel in that some of them a few shockingly large number of them died during middle passage. And the way those deaths are recorded in the logbook is probably the most shocking thing about it all it says over and over day after day is. Boy. died. See. Who kept this log or was it a ship's captain a slave trader, and do we get any insights into how that person was part of this objection of people into slavery this crime we don't know who actually kept a journal it could have been the captain could have been a I made or ship's surgeon or something like that. What's unusual about this one is the level of detail that is provided day day-to-day. You know there's some standard stuff like the weather was like, but then there's also record of the transactions that big plays on the west African coast kinds of goods that her bonds sold exchange for for people. And then this record of death dying the log also documents some pretty incredible stories being of detail a mutiny attempts what happened in those cases. Yeah. It was a tumultuous voyage. The captain had some trouble with the crew. And had to you had to punish some of them. Near disgruntled but then the most serious. Uni. That took place call meetings really an uprising. was on the captive Africans off the coast of West Africa it try to free themselves from the hold of the ship take over the vessel, but they're beaten down gunned down by the crew and it's narrated in incredible detail in the journal you can kind of see the leader of the rebels emerging from the hold. And try to take over the ship by. But he failed. It's a wild story that the ship's log was found in a closet in California, do do you know how it ended up there and how did it get to Georgetown? University? It seems like this law goes has been in the family. Probably, the person who wrote it across generations as that family moved west and we at Georgetown, we've been examining our own history of slavery has institution very intensely for the last five years. George student who was aware of what was going on knew that a neighbor Had this log. In their family and he basically I think talk to the neighbor. Convinced into the Georgetown how do these primary sources like the ship's log? How do they change the way? We think about the history of the Atlantic slave trade I, think one of the most important lessons of the logbook has to do with. How ordinary it is. It's an account. In the most. Basic financial sense of the word preps on the deepest level it tells us. About The business practices, the routine business practices. Of the buying and selling of human. Beings. Boarding them thousands of miles. Across the track was ocean. Adamant cost basically one out of six of one of. Captives transported across the ocean on the slave ships died on route. It's an astronomical Sharon tall. Z. recorded in such talented kind of way in the logbook takes you deeper into the mentality of the slaving world. Adam Rothman as a professor of history at Georgetown, university in Washington thanks very much for describing this telling about this logbook. Thanks for having me. Perhaps the biggest climate change news of the year came out this week China's President Xi Jinping announced new carbon emission targets in a video address to the United Nations. Yesterday he said a new long-term goal of reaching Carbon Neutrality before twenty sixty here he is speaking to the through an interpreter. Form quickly a bring up. And of lives. Shooting ecological civilization and beautiful of. The world's environment correspondent Carolyn Bieler joins us now caroline considering this is the biggest climate news of the you're just how big of a deal is it? It's a big deal Marco for for two reasons. I, WanNa, talk about first from a scientific perspective China is by far the world's biggest and bitter of greenhouse gases about a quarter of global emissions come from just that one country. So if China meets this target Reaching Carbon Neutrality before twenty sixty that could actually have a big impact on how much our world warms. It could reduce global warming by as much half a degree. Fahrenheit according to the climate action tracker, which you know that might not seem like a huge amount, but it actually makes a really big difference and then aside from this the science with climate science this announcements also important on the diplomatic front also explained that. Well China and the US together back in two thousand fourteen join together to pave the way for the Paris Agreement. So they made this bilateral pact to cut emissions, announced it, and that sort of paved the way for the Paris agreement when the US announced in two thousand seventeen that it was going to be pulling out of the Paris Agreement. There was this concern that you know with the US. The world's largest historical amidror basically saying. We're not going to be a leader on climate change China also wouldn't feel like it needed to do that. Anymore. China has long seen itself as having historical responsibility to tackle this problem, and with this announcement from Xi. Jinping is really stepping up and saying we're going to be a global leader on this issue. So this is a big shift for China real is the target though I mean, is this just talk from Xi? Jinping. because. As a long way off it is and we have no details beyond you know one line in a speech. So there's a lot of excitement and hope from the climate world around this surprise announcement, but there's also some skepticism. So two things to watch going forward China will submit a new nationally determined contribution. So a new carbon cutting target officially through the Paris agreement process sometime next year. So we can look for details there and we'll also have more details when China unveils its next five year economic plan, which will govern the country's economic trajectory and energy starting twenty twenty one. What are you going to be watching out for moving forward caroline to see if this is really real. A couple of things both in terms of its announcement and then what China does domestically I what exactly Xi Jinping means here by carbon neutrality that term usually refers to carbon dioxide getting that down to net zero and not other greenhouse gases. So what exactly he means by that also, how much before twenty sixty he plans to reach that target scientists say we need to be at net zero before that by twenty fifty to reach the Paris agreement goals. And then on the domestic side in China if near-term policy changes really match the ambition of this twenty, sixty target and another tweak in policy that he announced yesterday hitting peak co two emissions before twenty thirty instead of around twenty thirty, which was a previous school some some background here on China emissions of there are still on the rise and it's still permiting and building lots of new coal plants. So domestic energy policy will be another key thing to watch right we should remember too that some of the things. To Watch out for are not in China China's a serious financial backer of energy projects, well outside its borders. That's right and it's not clear if or how this new target would impact decisions. China makes on financing energy or infrastructure projects outside of China. For example, the one trillion dollar global infrastructure project, the Belton Road Initiative. So emissions from coal fired power plant that China. Finances outside of the country don't count toward a carbon emissions but obviously emissions no, no border. So these are all things to watch going forward. The world's environment correspondent Carolyn Taylor. Thanks very much. You're welcome NOCCO every weekday morning the team here at the world discusses the most important stories that we need to cover. You can also get a seat at the table subscribe to our daily newsletter top of the world to find out what's in our minds each day sign up at the world dot org slash newsletters again, that's the world dot org slash newsletters. There are occasionally sparks of joy that arise from the worst of circumstances not too many of those in the midst of pandemic though. So when one comes along, we got to let you know about it this actually happened in the same town where Shakespeare created setting for Romeo and Juliet Verona Italy a man and a woman on separate balconies for a concert in the city they did not know each other now they do. Sit Down, and let me regale you with the tail in IAMBIC pentameter. In Fair Verona, their lives are seeing to single people one girl and one boy stood on their balconies waiting to sing. In March, twenty twenty, they were both lockdown evenings were spent two choruses of Queen. We are the champions soon. was there theme as the girl sister played the island strings love soon bloomed and as lockdown eased, they met in a park for their first big squeeze. No star-crossed lovers he took to his knees and Verona Verona's balconies rejoiced in glee cheering on the new bride and groom to be. Yes mcclay Dow POWs thirty eight and powder on yellow forty are now engaged a little iambic pentameter composed by old friend of the show. Jimmy. Rogers is also a Shakespearean scholar. We've got the whole love story in modern English pros at the world's twitter feed. We are at the world. Earlier this hour we told you about the reaction in Belarus to the surprise secret inauguration today of President Alexander Lukashenka despite sustained weeks the protests his victory was rigged protests. Say the winner of that election is actually Svetlana a sky up this. Bill. Respect as because for more than twenty years it then they will. THINK ABOUT PEOPLE AS PEOPLE IS A. Unitary just where working follow for them took an oath sky is currently in exile in Lithuania tomorrow took an Oscar will be our guest on the show to talk about what comes next for Belarus's protest movement. That's going to do it for us today from an and Bill Harris Studio at Gbh in Boston I'm Marco. Werman. Thanks very much for making it today. We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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Maximum messy at Odio now Ryan before Ryan even before among even talk I remember. At seven thing. We don't say that he was sixteen years old. We need somebody do coaching. Mitch got him. We all came in with a white shirt. It was the Nejra working I was like he was so cool to hold night one hundred in house arrest. He was impressed. Everybody was impressed. It was like a ninety eight hundred people. It was like eight hundred people visu our no one box hang man made to work for me like I got to watch who actually make life a living off with throwing parties. I'm just working the coach working various different jobs at the club. So it was kind of doped to be able to transition and start doing my own events Start profiting off of it in college. So that's kind of how I started out slurring. The business on a back end into thing I really say really really really did learn the business on the back end. I think like I know I can grind in Irene's like right. You did everything everything that people everything that people might think you've done you notice business and to go from that position to be like the top promoter in his city Yik brand ambassador no from coach. That's something you know what I'm saying like I seldom extra it is. It's all. Yeah College educated. Did you ever feel pressure or from yourself or others to pursue suit. Whatever you went to school for or to just or you already cool ongo stand in this business I say always? It's like coacher over years whereas Moore's this is southern look down. Yeah I think he's a spy as a not true. What about you you just got? NBA Shadow the momentum got his MBA. The nascent yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah I think The ME is a couple of things I it's funny that you ask that question because I was just at dinner with my mother and we were talking about how she was I guess you could say like a little more open minded Me She came in when she was seventeen which is different from a lot of African parents. But you know she's been here long enough went to Howard went to grambling so she's a little bit more open minded to different career paths and things of that sort. I mean. Obviously she's not the biggest fan of it but I'm not really come up under a roof where it was like is this oh you gotta get out the House and then the other thing about it is sort of like like he said. I think. Now there's like transitions And changes in different industries right in there different trends and I think One one of the things in my life that really separates different teams in different individuals is really understanding the business side of it right. So it's like a lot of guys who are great promoters very social people and things of that sort but and there are the guys who actually invest in themselves invest crafts and then they sort of use those things that did they take from different in different environments. Different rooms classrooms specifically Then they applied to the business not think as one thing that like a one does Of course with a couple of other teams in the city better than anyone in DC. Janta Ho Ho Mong Business. You think think I've been watching you from La. I was I. Am I watching right now. You Know Sean Right. So I think any parent is going to be a little little skeptical their first when you you know you don't parties and they're just like you were partying all the time. What's going on? Are you working if you have a job but I think after a while when when you when you just show them medicine actual business and you scale it and Gordon just throwing parties. You're actually affecting people taking care of people's lives when they get to see that it's a little bit different. You know I want you to pop you call it a little bit so just tell them what you got going so right now. I am owner of a mirror lounge the hookah lounge on when I love you. I'm a brand Basseterre for AVION TEQUILA IN MARTELL COGNAC. So that we're working on some other projects right now. Rose rose bars where I'm going to honor roll over so we were GONNA shout out to the team Messiah. You Ain't out. Yeah Yeah And we work on projects together obviously outside of that I'm looking at. ESPN two Judah. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's that's for sure Outside of Nightlife in general they're a couple other ventures that we're all in For Me Distant Relatives It is a nonprofit organization that I sit on the board of Which of allocated a lot of my energy in time to over the past two years his Outside of that also have a real estate investment group. So I think between those three things if you could say nightlife boxed in one And then the nonprofits things real estate. He's been pretty busy. I like just did you just overseas you talk about that here. Yeah so so. We have a couple projects a year right now. We are in four different countries wearing Jamaica or Ghana were in Ethiopia and where Nigeria We'll be in Ghana December again live trip but I just got back from Ethiopia where we were working with a shelter and a nursery the home for the elderly so we did like a facility optimization side of the project we basically like installed plumbing for them brought them you toilets sinks washers dryers showerheads whole nine yards. So we did that as well as we donated tons HANEM supplies school medical cleaning for the facility themselves as well as like the surrounding community. Awesome awesome I just wanted to share real quick. You grind everything my brothers. Do we all do it together as I say I support everything you they do. They support everything that I do a thousand percent. I'm proud of these dues. A proud of him saying him shit so absolutely. Not I said did that because the stigma that comes along with being in a nightlife saying I experienced it personally you know what I'm saying. They just think about is. It's all about the party but just seeing you three. And just seeing how you guys have leveraged that influenced the do other things and more positive things impactful things One really just speak on that now. Do we got it out of the way now that everybody knows everybody we now I WANNA act. I question how difficult is it to maintain a relationship as promoted. Hello Xiaoping you're a mommy. Mommy Matters Instagram. Check them out you you want to size to the answer will live aside answer I I i. I'm the guy appears in a full-fledged relationships I answer that you know what I'm saying. Oh he looked oboe. Not I'm laughing at on on making phases I mean personally honestly is going to sound like a made up shit but but I honestly think a lot of things that you face nightlife. That'll get in the way your relationship that's facing you there. It's GonNa face you outside the nightlife to you know what. I'm saying like temptation now. Is there a lot more of it. Yeah like especially when you're working with this guy you got oriented under you got a lot of opportunity. Oh but I I honestly think like the concept and the idea that that working in nightlife like you can really ruin your relationship. I think is a little like over. Hyped low exaggerating things that saw our thank. You know what I'm saying. We we all gotta grow through certain things now. I think the answer is this clearly doable. May Not think like answering Musab but I want to talk to the people who don't want to answer this question. I would know it's been a couple years for the amount you want to save them. The couple of years is impatient. Just is one on. You know some damn slack. Although there's a lot of long nights working nights sometimes it's not being home Friday Saturday nights that's like date night. So you that's I stressed that we live untraditional style as far as like ours. Do we do not holly so south. Ask the sand. Hand is easy to make states. I mean the accident being more turned off along the tank blew women who actually come out. Great we all OUGHTA homeys. This is the show friends will ask him a AH media doing a good job changes every years like the culture changes people change. It's every couple of years so it was like shit is completely different than it was two years ago it was one year was five years ago. What year ten years ago is completely different? You gotta be able to adapt easily turn off. It's very easy. It's her dog. With a authoress is will be new for him. We're not here to be turned on to make money. Let me ask you worship go. How did you guys write the temptations though? How do you fight some patients station? Masai I think I think it's just like anything else Matt. Thank you been meditating loan. I've never meditated day my life life man. I think it's practicing. I think practicing self awareness a little bit. You know what I'm saying where you at knowing what you need in your life things that saw but before we even leave like the Scott Walker and Ryan was speaking just one thing. When he was is hard I was like man? If you don't have one of the most understanding girls in the world now possum them. We're not talking about that. We're not hard no more like whether it's possible. You don't have like Super Standard Person. You know saying the point where we're like. It's just unbelievable. It's not working. I'm a partial one second because ladies in her own so how do you would you do to kind of reciprocate that understanding outstanding for that loved one. I don't know if you've got to reciprocate it right. I'm just saying like depends on what they do to grow occupational therapist but I can't really reciprocate. I'm just saying Oh you got you got it at the same time like I guess if you San Reciprocate like you just got a lot of things I mean you gotTa have patience. Because that's what it requires requires on. Their big thing is understanding. Everything is not of substance nausea. This one no not something is like the term sustainable nothing and then if you can just put it in perspective do what it really is this how do you how do you show your appreciation. China plead they say. How do you show you directly? Let me let me save you a little bit. Hypothetically how would you show your appreciation for somebody who is he's giving you that level of understanding really. I mean everyone's different the hold on hold on while I'm single man. How would you be present the president as I got a question? How can you be present? you guys are Friday and Saturday nights you did say that's a hot date night. Seven seven days a week. This guy's good. I saw that. Let's go let's go here. Go here exalts go here. Let's go here let's go what does the wildest nightlife store you could even tell or what are the wildest think. I WANNA know boosted. He was spicy questions. We want answered. I say don't say no name a you're gang IMPLICA- ain't nobody is just person. You'll fly on the wall. I just there's a lot of people that don't club. They don't know what goes on. You don't want to scare them off because we don't want to scare them off waiting. Tell the story or just some. Are you saying somebody told you. They just say he wasn't there. People in the Audience Mornings Got Mullen Rah. We're GONNA come back to their L.. Let's close to never seen these guys speechless. I swear to you this is not an excuse to not answer the question. Sometimes when we do as much as we do as long as we've been doing it shit is really a blurred. I'm driving crazy to say that I could sit here and thank thank you for this crowd. Disrespect it's crowded anyway. I could probably give out a story every weekend. That'll be light but like right now just like we sort of get numb due to it. I mean we see it all the time. This is one of those things I don't. I mean somebody could probably give you a crazy story between these two sure but I we'll be book store for Ha Let's go then. One the thing is funny about about nightlife is like we do a lot of celebrity bookings at our parties in one time we had trey songz toes. The party you know Trey Songz is like a lot of girl crush so you know all these girls come out to the party. Trey Songz Cam at the end of the night to all the girls at the end of the night. You're on a tour bus so we look around like two. Am It's like being like ten. Emma boys at the table we sit look at boy who hanging now what he saw there. But that's not a that's crazy as it gets but you know you just see stuff like that all the time you can use your magic overnight right. My man is telling me it got a while they it was like fifty women in one corner and then like that was table right. It was a one woman right like everywhere else is like scattered or just guy. That's right and now you tell me Trey Songz club Aja some imagine those same cleared it out. He cleared it out for sure your action. It would've been smoking hookah. I'll tell you that sounds like the wildest most silliest Kubis replenish it yeah all differ personalities with different people even partnerships. I'm GonNa tell you story. Someone is winning me last night. We aggressive around the corner. We have Bernice worlds also also second Griffin on Sundays Griffin. Let's go day Bernice Liu. The party hosts first class grades. We'll tell sweets Lashkar. Suv on its is such. My phone dies gnome in the party. With my Marla long lease whenever you knew carly's Lubar Zika ever causing Guber X.. The accident the smallest. I like that mall. Risk pools humble. Bernice Carl Carlisle. We walk through a car. She fuck is that they would not get it matches on. Who is he giving energy to when she you went over what is it? I can't somewhat because my phone is dead. Molly you call Bernice fucking Uber that Sir and the data be it'd be funny things all the time. Now she cool when she got in their she always cool. Always cool is ask you know she wanted to go home. So but yes you don't say Larry's but to us at least a release every night honestly light some difference we wake up gigging in groups at every day all sound crazy so we got another spicy question spicy shell. Boom question is how the female get a table. I I give the line. Or how does he get a table. The lawyer lack of the question. Obviously we only really do tables if it's like a birthday day or group of girls before midnight something like that. We usually just do. Birthdays only celebrations big celebrations engagements bachelorette aspiration parties business like that. He's doing a great job with this tale doing a great job with this. This guy this guy. How could we phrase it? This is the second part of question though Normally do come off by white. I mean we've seen it on TV. The girl walks up to the door and certain people tell you gotta wait while other people go in all right. So what does it take me for a woman for a young lady to walk up to that door again that Little Rhody lifted up and tell us go ahead take I just think she got no somebody at this point guys good man. Don't take that much honestly like I mean. Go bodies we want. We want people to come about women so party Eh. There's more than enough people in this market party where you can take care of every single person you you know personally affect your business. You'll still have alonside if you like if you're doing on a certain scale on certain level behind even before he said that what I'm saying our Nola marlins stipulations are a- At the end of the day on honest to God like if you have any sort of relationship with I'm not gonNa have any standing outside. You know what I mean also the Washington. DC is not just about James Brady. Now's ally simply. How can person looks like that is Meghan of professional Washington ore? So we'd take care well it makes sense but we all know you know what we definitely going to care and eh business to a whole competitive landscape. I if I know you could go across the street and if I know you could bring any type of you know what I mean any type of labor good energy over there. I'm not gonNA have any standing outside here. I'm make sure you happy with us. So there's there's a lot of different reasons to take care of. I know which I was looking for but nice traffic. Let's get back to the ground real quick. When did it transitioned dishes from something? You like to do something seen as a business that you enjoy. I still don't know if well I mean some days I love it is. That's that's such hardest question days are wake up and I'm just like managed great success now. We have this tables party party look great off rallies. Great as is some days when she this is a strain that those aren't you transition win understood soon it will you take this and really make it when he rooms in my just over other views Mardi businesses. That's my the transition for US person. His name is great with his like. We look forward to the whole next three weeks. Today's will we like man. Let's get on the plane and go to fucking Hamas tomorrow combat. I say that scene. That was official taking. You Never Matthew go personally. I mean I assure you I've got it was like wow. I can't believe I mean every I'd I'm never thought I'll go anywhere from parties. Thought Parties Pardons. I didn't think you knew anything more from him. Until maybe last five years. So every everywhere I I do. I'm still in all it's still like. I'm still happy. Thankful I can do. These days of parties wasn't like one location with my own year. We made it We made Houston. How's the bowl with that? The Messiah got off to Bannon Bannon that MBA classroom top programme right. You obviously got to apply to these programs. Man You gotta get the story so when Oh you know you really sit down and reflect on like van production and things of that sort and the logistics behind in how you grow a business brand and things of that sort so when you get in that Rome and when you really really get a good understanding of how smart people on this world you get one of those classrooms and it's like a great program you said now you look around you like. He came from what firm he came from. What company came from what Bank you came from? What citing and I'm like you know what I mean like I've been working my ass off fairly deserve it but at the same time I can't believe audience? So that's the I'll trips stories of that Orlands Marley and I've been a few places to to to Europe and Asia. I think Japan is probably a place where I got there. Who Don't part is where I never thought I would be in terms of like a door? I've been a couple of parties and Miami Diddy Parties House parties. And things like that right. Like wow this is really a privilege to be here from where we came from Don Parties to get at those type of doors and be able to network with those type of people. It was really cool L.. So Ninety one right now you need to go to Nana. I don't want to go to ask. Now what do you do that too. So you have a perspective right now. I want to see if we can catch it at right now out recently watching the breakfast club and it was something on-air but it was some someone basically said that Single Black Women are the largest the happiest demographic right now. Considering Y'all got let me say now but I heard that a black woman a black single one on the happiest demographic right now all right so you're respect their you agree or disagree with that because I wasn't and Eh and dominantly black woman and I would like to believe that they're single women as well so and your experience the best of your knowledge would did you say yes or no graphic of mill. Would you agree or disagree day. Aw Black winning are headed was black. Single women are happy demographic like Oh happy happy what do you mean you mean more freedom. They have more choices than that is harshly. They've been viewed in the past the saints on the way the happiest grabbing WanNa know when source that is. I want to know that. Yeah but let's legitimate source. Would you agree this. You said you know I think specifically if I were to focus on black woman I think For a long time more than any other demographic they're sort of like caged in a lot of things. It's like a lot of Like societal norms and things that are like basically trying to box them into a certain type of person type of thing and I think with him saying is sort of shifting to more liberal atmosphere. I think there's the whole you hear the music right here. Cardi B. Magnets talion. Naw them lately. They've evidence there basically talking about doing what we WANNA do. You know what I mean and I think that's actually I mean art is is basically a reflection of what's going on here. That's what I'll say. Yes so it's like you see you see chicks doing a lot of things that they weren't doing he said I WANNA do on five years. That's my you know what I'm saying. I started ten years ago. Yeah Twenty thirty. And it's a total different world at twenty at twenty but there but I just feel like you know you see a lot of things that you didn't see that would have been like super super frowned upon like a trend right now to let people poor bottling your mom you know. That's a trend right now. I just worry about life and I know I know some people have dropped the ball before. Yeah yes he looks out in the crowd so it's like you know what I'm saying like ten years ago. Yeah a lot of folks who've has been like what are you doing that crazy right now. I agree on now. You look good going this guy. So I'm happy. You kinda went there right. That McConnell like thinking about this thing since I heard it so jennings recently. I heard him say women are negus. You need an elaborate. I need you to our broken. Would have I don't know like Jennings is going through right now. aalto through. What is the carbon? He was his his own description. But we're not worried about life right now. I just focused on net statement right day just to stop it right. There women are naked is any truth to that or is he just ought away bugging he bugging. Is there some type of context pont. They would've that he would busy. Easy saying that. Like women are going hard dues ever win in life on Eh looming flew Out No I disagree. I disagree with life when one. Why do you disagree with him? Well let's go. Oh Allie Kamara man. I see guys lie of the dumbest stupid shit. I won't see. Let me doing things like that. All done things like what we want. No question man. By every day the Backed it every day. Tony where we live we other day. No no no men. Don't put on town because you just brought it in perfectly so listen right and Blackman. Don't you got Mike right hair. Anyone WanNa step to the MIC right now and tell us about women crickets crickets Cricket Cricket SIGNET CREEK WHIZ. Talk to us. I should say it again tone. Do Women I why is she. The women just lie smart. A woah Martin dive. Is there a different thing is. They're real different science to kind of you say one other needs a little more frivolously ridiculous. Louis y'all heard that cash cash you can you got the highest points. What does that off on? What is the freeze? You wish you relied. You have a go-to surprised birth. They're gonNA work by commands a thing in Europe laws giving were everywhere. I the undefeated undefeated every words. I love so we've got the might and women listen. We asked the question. Recently on the runoff podcast and It was biased because it was just in a room right so women in audience feel free to just go at real quick question. Was We ask ourselves the question. What would be mail train? You're right fashion trend. Just in general we disliked. Right is the automatic turnoff. Hey Eh I I WANNA hold on hold on hold on now I WANNA know I wanNA know I answered this question. I WANNA donor I. Yeah they've got to answer. I like to promote. Yeah Yeah just use people at the door. Was the turnoff me. She paying full price to come automatic turnoff hunter painful price in the they know they gotta check it like they had like put pop in Switzerland. which was the full price? You gotta pay. Come in order matic turnoff. You GotTa have your feet done. That's not just as long as it's done. That's all that I did the manicure pedicure. You need that you can't go out with with with what's up a AH. I know that's what we do talk about real life. I swear to you I was GonNa say I was. I'M GONNA say entitlement title if I come outside and like chickens talking NYC like she's supposed to be taken care of at some like crazy Z.. Like concierge service like are you like. I'm tapping I'm tablet security like somebody's going humble her today like she has the pay because they obviously that's news too but no the shadow roads and he sounded like he around away. And we'll party. Who who who who party you gotta text? They've all though party. Oh the question. Was the typical party type. I like beautiful women man. I mean I don't have a specific type as long as the energies. Great man. We Have Party I. Would you sell you. We address Oscar energy to enter. You just gotTa be good on you. GotTa you know we all would be a good look present yourself. Well we're GONNA have fun and that's it I okay. He let me ask this question. What brought you together? Yeah Yeah I mean I I I think I was the last to join the trio so but I think I think in a sense honestly we all sort of had the same name Sam Story might not be exactly the same but I think one thing that contributes to our successes a unit is that we've all worked with different teams in different people for nothing. I A lot of teams in nightlife sort of you know people drop out of the race. Some people do you know they have like a genie. Then they get married out of nowhere. But in general we all came from different different groups in different Entertainment groups and I think you know even when we weren't working together we all had a connection outside of business business. Obviously these two brothers but even when they weren't working together you know what I mean like you sort of have the same vision Saint Perspective on life where you WanNa go and then when they were working together together I was still with another grew. We always we always clicked. You know what I mean like like. We're all very big on working with people that we genuinely believe me and I think a lot of people aren't always like a night light. 'cause it's easy to get by. Without the niece edgy. For sure need that revives. It definitely biased. I think Law Foreigners Zan Ursel. Then we often tell so this certain things relating on they probably think I'm crazy every day when those dogs you know what I'm Elliott. I think there's a lot of things that although we have a lot of differences that we see these different differently allow Islamic things. We see the same way down. Wants to get the women. We answered that question. You know pop off right the I got you animal ready. What mail train on? Whatever male thing is automatic turnoff? ooh Karate ooh I I know aw. That's it automatic turnoff ladies long. We'll get you sign up. Uh were guys along. Now's a check. His nails us us. Ladies and now your automatic you. I'm doing today. What would keep them? Could you keep you clean. Now's matters I know you got something either. You got something about questions. Sizzling don't don't act like we all know each other. What about an because I know my dog? What about when analysis? You know what I'm saying and you and your comfort zone. You got your sweats on this again. It depends on connect is what is nasty. I say that like dude wearing skinny jeans and sagging like I should don't make sense. See he would decide. We want here with this A. G. G. in quite that's a trend. Though matic turn off hygiene you gotta say more than that but it makes us on the two right. Yea You wouldn't even know she saw you said male high explain air. You know how this goes. Ah Talk about. We're the smell coming from bit. Remarks ended spelled very costs under talk about your automatic mcardle. I'll put my sister's spot. What if I turn off talk? Talk Talk Spinning keeping the bringing a brigadier. There you go. Hey the crap that goes both ways Angulu. I go both ways. You go deep in all faces. Can you guys tell to guide. Do you tell the person you're with about hygiene not just the bad burn hygiene bad. Now's you let them No. No Oh you don't tell you. Don't tell me no advocate. Yeah so we ask another question on the podcast and it's going to be a little bogus so we all adults here. So let's go to Dan right good question with about the box Studio Korea so as men we frequently we talk about when whack when this when his dad but we we gotta be fair. I gotta somebody really emailed me and said listen. George you gotTA BE FIT YA GOTTA be fit any question guys talk about you gotTa bring it to the women right so the question we talked about it we were talking about how bad it is or how they doing doing that. But Lemme we hear more woman's perspective what what are the negatives job experience with men play in a box. Now do you pass the MIC. I Oh do you want to feel uh no okay talk your teaching men right now. There is a sort of in the background checks other women. Do you work or are no so and we'll are you saying Jerry shared item. They look the world is grateful whether it's all year the whole b-shares awhile the in the winter. A whole life I so look before we wrap up before we wrap up. Y'all like I said again tall male dominated right head so before we end we want to ask. Is there anything any topic that any woman in the audience wants to you know what. I'm saying Roach all volunteer purposes and we attach it from your perspective and then we talk about it as well. We will respond back to you. Is there any question from a woman's perspective. WanNa hand me. Can I get the mind. Where's the MIC extra in my steed keeping key to check back on us as female do the same thing? The Bee's acidic say something specific. Well this scenario. Let's based on these new age rapper. Talk about okay talking about the same thing on the radio. But it'll be quick to call her thought you you're the guy says you but they be calling taught me check. I'll go into the waters generals because you said female rappers Megan's law you. She got a boyfriend this inaugural shit. She's pregnant with a boyfriend and it's like an industry right so you can't go out with them saying they already get money money. That's not women desire eh joking right because you are a male rappers who have lives and children and they still wrap around the same thing talk. AHA undersigned loss. In Club promoter right is usually future sure is like one of the most women is. He's my favorite rapper. But he's one of the most ever right Ari girl every we grow futures what you listen to waste November honesty which down the Saas Clo. It don't matter Listen something in England last along. I'm not ruled told you what are you always have. All the always stayed in new co-winner he always say women do when they do the winning girls off. This is how she owed more. You think your order your word After my I think we need a better example amusing it just lets go. I didn't know you could skew be room roll. Roll Roll Ruin. Could run works gas witness afford the minute beginning. 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Side Stories: Epstein

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Side Stories: Epstein

"Escape to the lost on the left side stories of cannibalism started. It is nice. It kind of gives you slide into the end of summer and people are kind of vacation spot. You know <hes> it'd be nice to have our own little island. Yes is that what you wanted to be nice to just have our own private plane with some of our favorite friends <hes> some more popular than others. You know what i mean. It's just nice young enthusiastic crew ah just stare just not at not at our bidding but they hate to say announced hated disappoint you you go out there to your little island with your little masseuse house. Just stay all day in a masseuse house does different types of masseuses seuss's happening to you and different levels of it different young enthusiastic masseuses doing their job so fervently because they're on an island is our for them to go. Oh and seems very like a hostage like a captive so no no no no of absolutely not. Everyone's very volunteered everyone did they love the experience of different experience they are. I love turns is what i've been. I will call them on interest thinking that we could go. We can call it something like the bro leader express. Oh yeah that could be fun. All all hot dogs all the time yeah. I just get so mad because again. It's just it's just nice. You just think about relaxing because it's been a slow news week. I mean nothing has happened this week. Nothing important no significant deaths really i mean. I don't even know what we're going to talk about but let's jump into it. Hey what's up everyone. This story is i am ben with henry henry. I know if we only had we only had one big news. Story to talk about. Travis is actually here with his as well because that's how much much we are were searching. Were searching for things to talk like even talk about and has another angel. Heaven is just a prison for good people who've only been convicted of of being sex offenders and not sex traffickers. Oh very thing that when epstein got to heaven 'cause you know you went to heaven. 'cause that's at this point at this point. I think those are the people who actually go to just have i'm nation. Haven't that would be in line with his religious beliefs. I'm not amazing. Do do the curtains open. I imagine curtains michael jackson's their and really michael jackson here. Bill cosby's father is there and then two of them are just like we had just just about to start the band and you can join jeffrey like how much fun that would be jeffrey epstein up there. Maybe went to muslim heaven the isis heaven with all the virgins there. He'd be so happy yeah you get all the new young girls he can teach we've been we're being a little bit facetious because geoffrey epson committed suicide had yes jeffrey upstate who was in manhattan jail. He committed suicide on saturday morning. <hes> was walking into the airport to see marcus and henry and travis us and i sat down and looked at me and they said men. Have you heard the news as if it was like what the new york knicks get kevin ah durant what happened jeffrey epstein committed suicide today and it was i mean one of those strange moments where in life life you can actually just not celebrate the death of someone but you are just sort of aghast at what a waste of human being he was. Your reaction was you you said neat. I remember you literally went neat neat half asleep. You're half asleep. When you arrive in the airport. See i woke up to my phone. Exploding bloating woke up to my phone. Just bring think blinked. I thought something actually had happened to somebody. I love i scramble over. I look at it and i have not been tagged in a pedophile lyles death so much something my uncle randy died is that i believe that the the <hes> the way this news spread so i guess we can get into a little bit real quick before oh restart fellow suicides the boys the romeo and juliet of the north <hes> two boys what's his name ishmael belsky the chaman. Yes miguel ski in the ski whatever their names were cam cloud and briers from belsky were found in a lover's pact dead by suicide. That's how they found them. They believe really on the attacked is that is that henry make them up. One got shot in the head and the other one when i believe that they did is they put a little cyanide pill. In the very tip of of briars penis is that right end of his is cock and he was one last time for my brother in arms and he sucked on that fuck can bet limp noodle until the suicide pill worked its way down to throat and then he died so romantic. You're not a corner though so i don't know i mean but this is this is this this is what i heard. I'm not a corner but i'm also not a foreigner so it like making fun reasons and ways that people of course not but yes their suicide pact has now completed. I mean they had that song from romeo and juliet essien you oh what a what a robots indeed yes indeed the <hes> the two boys who terrified british columbia for multiple weeks they are found dead as the boogeyman boys boys are gone and hopefully for the victims families they can have a little bit of closure although these things are just so immensely stupid in ridiculous. I am sure that is hard to come by but the b._b._c. boys are officially dead but we i'm actually surprised that they did commit suicide aside because i believe they did commit suicide and they weren't eaten by a bear. Nope nope before it happened. I guess they were just there. Love was to pure zahren. Arain brace in-depth was too tight polar bear polar bear looked on in gel because polar bears made for life and with the polar bear population dwindling mashing mashing. It's harder and harder to find a suitable mate. All the good ones are either dead or married yeah it is hey buddy. I know i know the score of that game but yes. Let's get on biggest news story of the week without a doubt jeffrey epstein and as soon as this news hit every single person on twitter had an idea of how it happened and because of that there was a lot of misinformation spread around. There's quite a bit of misinformation <hes> we <hes> we don't know what happened. We know that he was found hanged in his cell hung in his cell. Something happened in the night. We know for a fact that after his initial will after his initial suicide attempt. I think that was the beginning of june. I believe in the mid june twenty six of july i actually blow was the july was it that it was. We know that he was put on suicide. Watch and a week later. He was taken off of suicide watch. We know that he had a cellmate for a period the time that he was supposed to have a man named nicolas tar tig leoni whoa was only a corrupt westchester cop who murdered four and in a weird the underground cocaine deal and he is jacked fucker. He looks like the picture in those ads on the side of the weather channel where it's like the one trick. This guy knows makes bodybuilders hate him. Komo rippling biceps yes but every the most toxic trump followers were their twitter. Icon is just a big jack dude with wraparound on oakley's on winging. It is that same selfie so he was then. We don't know whether or not they he said that he was not a part of the originals. Either quote unquote suicide attempt or attack on jeffrey epstein's life. We know that in the days after he was released from suicide watch jeffrey epstein said that he believed he was going to be attacked again <hes> mhm. We know that the m._c._c. right is what it's called. C._m._c.'s the men the manhattan correctional center center they are now looking into to the errors that might have happened during the night that jeffrey epstein committed suicide. Yeah we know that they were <hes> very understaffed staffed by literally four to six thousand employees. Yes that is really the biggest truth that we know. The new york city jail system is extremely understaffed across the board knows stories of rikers. Island are truly hellacious so that we do bend the biggest truth is that this is a game of clue where every suspect is a wealthy pedophile hoping open cut is sleep clue that is true. We are looking at the mall's loaded story on the right because now every conspiracy theory and its mother and father and uncle and grandpa are in play we are looking at what marcus and i had a long conversation in the airport that when the news hit and the big thing is like i think that people are gonna look at august tenth twenty nineteen as a milestone conspiracy theory thought the way that j._f._k.'s assassination assignation was the way that now i guess the landing the moon landing all of these stories this is going to be because there's so many things you can hang on this particular nail of trump right and then trump possibly could kill him for implicating him within his his weird pedophile network and now we're seeing attorney general bar. He is using the clinton conspiracy theory to drum up more confusion. Which is the trump tactic at all times or just create total chaos. You got clinton's. That's right of course they're gonna kill him. Trying to vince foster i looked a little bit of the vince foster story very sad story as i'd. I'm going to use the term complicated woman yeah. I don't think that the clintons killed vince foster but i will say a lot of people do and because of that there is as they were going through storm area fifty one now we have a group of people who want a storm the clinton home here in new york <hes> which again will oh probably just lead to a lot of death but what's going on right now with aig bard. We won't get into much in the weeds of the minutia of government <hes>. We'll do that on top at but he has said he will recuse himself but then he said he will not recuse himself as henry point earlier trump this this world of elite pedophile defiles operates perfectly in chaos and is just more chaos every single day as we have the gbi like. I'm not going to take the case being like now. Take the case. No one really knows. The truth is very difficult. We also have to remember alan. Dershowitz is is also implicated in oh. Yes oh yeah warmer governor of new mexico ritual richardson bill richardson. I mean on on on because so what pr- we're proceeds. This is apparently a cachet of documents were right. I believe on friday yeah fully fingers richardson and what's his is they imprint andrew other basically saying that they're all of these witnesses testimony saying that bill richardson had sex with me under the direct express <music> messages of jeffrey epstein milk. Tim and i was a baby girl and bill richardson. I it's all they all have the same tone with the the all say categorically we deny the introduction of underage females and it's like the way he's just like obscene. Was that guy is it the bagel guy yeah yeah. I've had bagels yay no bill jeffrey. I've seen no. I've never even met a single jeffrey funny. Is that what the g._a._o. Is that how you spell his name and of course bob barr or bob barr bill bar bill bar william bar. He worked in two thousand and nine fine with the law firm that represented jeffrey epstein. That's why their job. Romania should not be on this case <hes> but we sell see. I mean either either way. It is so interesting to see how tight knit these people are. I mean all the way from labor secretary alex kosta the fact that we just i have so many names being listed and coming out and all of them just happen to be very powerful people. This epstein case is just heating up but the the woman who was probably the most geared right now. Henry is his number one gal epsteins number one gal because with epstein gone she's the new head of the snake and her name is lane maxwell d'alene maxwell bell with the ges in the front of which is jeffrey epstein loved her so much she is the daughter of the late press fair and robert maxwell according to the guardian and she has repeatedly and vehemently denied allegations of involvement in a sex traffic network run by a ah seen weird because you don't get a lot of proud guys on this. No people be your frontlines of that small business and i helped him raise a do a big business but as you gotta help the small business owner absolutely but this is interesting because it reminds me of the nexium cases well with keith rainier. He had his number one gal <music>. I'm blanking on her name now. It seems as if in a lot of these sex trafficking it's steph sex trafficking cases. There's like a number one woman a hill. It helps normalize the the grouping of women is you have her sort of be the one on one person that that slowly but surely grooms employees for your sex trafficking company right according to virginia jew free or as you free g. i. e. u. u. f. f. r. e. says been one of the documents also been but now gylain maxwell she's gone. Do we know where she is. She's gone in the wind yeah so she just like osama bin laden family after nine eleven just got on a jet plane and took the right took right off but who's going after i heard the case has been effectively closed because of epstein's death so she kind of is allowed to just be gone manggala life out in argentina or or uruguay and just try to go into the bushes like homer simpson that gif. She is legitimately. She is just now a quote unquote person of interest i but when you start lining up the we wanna go conspiracy theory. Let's because if you're going to look at jeffrey seen as being suicide quote unquote quote right who benefits from said suicide machine right who who benefits from steph besides everybody because then it has really total fucking chaos right this it's really is like everyone wanted him dead. Everybody wanted to have because of his because not just because of his connections to not just because of his connections to a pedophile network. It's mostly has to do with. I think the money how required it and whose money was he fucking with certain people. There was a a an op ed in the new york times. It came out yesterday that since basically the this reporter at sign an n._d._a. With jeffrey epstein saying that he wouldn't talk about anything that they talked about personally okay in this meeting and then he said well. He's dead now. So that's fucking gone. He wrote a whole article about meeting with jeffrey jeffrey epstein beautiful home he. He said he walked up and this is in two thousand eighteen. They met okay doors open when they arrive at the mansion to a young european girl with the haircut right this very ponytail the brought in by two other very young european little models that brought him into an antechamber were jeffrey combs walking in super grand and he's like. I can't believe you even deign to meet me here. Most people persona non grata. They sat at a table. We're jeffrey episode. I hang out to explains how one day the love of young girls will be celebrated as homosexuality yeah right now his love it didn't he for young girls is just he's just he is just it's his sexuality. It's his love language. I believe that he used the term. Which i thought was very interesting. I believe he called it. A cultural abnormality yes <hes> that's sort of what he referred to are very good sex laws in this country when it comes to uh stopping pedophilia directed him to look at pictures of him with his his favorite celebrity friends and i swear to god on the wall it was just a picture of epstein gene with the the what's his name not the prime minister the head dude of saudi arabia. Oh <hes> ben soman yes with n._b._s. And we all right then a picture of obscene and trump <hes> and then a picture of f. scene in woody allen say look these are my friends. Come see my friends. Dave then went and he explained to him about how i'm working with elon musk's right now but i'm not allowed to tell anybody because he says that it would it would cause dispersions on his character going on with his money but just just quickly. What do you think jeffrey epstein in woody allen talked about. What did they have in common. I wonder class everything jazz just jazz. That's they spoke about nothing else right now. The new york knicks. Maybe i don't know nothing else so they and in their meeting he leaves he. Then gets hits hit up by jeffrey episode for weeks. Hey hey would you come to dinner with me and woody. Hey do you want to go to dinner with me and steve bannon bannon and can you imagine he's number one. I mean a lot of jalapeno poppers. If you're what bail yeah he's. He's a popper guy he. He knows how to do a copper. Yeah all right so let's start. It'll keep looking at like so all right. That's all right character. Examination jeffrey seen he's very proud of the fact that he takes a societal villain because people would still come to him with their secrets because that's what he said he sa- trade secrets. You wouldn't believe what i know about who i know and you won't even know who you wouldn't even believe who i know this shit. He was telling this reporter right openly in his living room so you got big the big conspiracy theory one trump right trump and his people trying to nail right problem is that trump is president. Yes that's difficult to pull off. We'll also cunanan loves this because they think think trump is the pedophile hunter right he was he was undercover so this is just this sort of folds right into that whole theory that conspiracy theory but uh. I'm not even saying that he would be difficult for him to pull off as president is that he doesn't really need to hide anything anymore. Because now we're seeing that what what is trump after for your more more pedophilia accusations. He already has several on his record his president so he already has us executive privilege. It is very difficult to persecute him. What's the point of going after epstein if it's going to cause all these problems for you unless you're doing it specifically to throw heat on the clinton people like because well. That's the that's what the that's what the right has done now. This is the great mirror game of american politics and the binary world that we live in. It's just mud being fling on both sides so the clinton conspiracy. This is the one that involves you know all the all of the behind the scenes stuff and the chronicles this. I it's ridiculous so you're about half of it. Last night. I was talking. I was stoned out of my gourd came back for what's fun time in hollywood. Butch edibles said it was like now it's time for some real entertainment absolutely started watching the clinton chronicles and it's really funny there the way it opens like it's nineteen eighty-four being like the world has never seen never pursued and it cuts you bill clinton with the saxophone incipient on like black and white like negative fucking. It's like well so you know it's like why does this clinton doc have more younger than quentin tarantino interesting very interested <hes> but of course that that goes back to for a long time in right wing circles when it comes to seth rich the former <hes> staffer that was that was killed in d. c. and then as edmund mentioned vince foster so this is just perfect like like four right wing conspiracy. This epstein suicide is just like just right now. It's on the menu just right. Bill clinton killed epstein. He would've left his trademark cigarette in the asshole. Of course i love the way he treats human. Beings like ashtrays all right so a part of it is the u._f. Do who look at victor thorn as the guy who created essentially created the entire storyline that early clinton is a murderer <hes>. I don't know what she did back. In the guy i believe that bill clinton might have done a little cute kid feel your pain and he covers eyeballs when the was running drugs through his various airports when he was governor arkansas but the you could see the clinton chronicles is gonna say biased because it was partially actually funded by larry nichols who is a political appointee under clinton in arkansas. He was fired from his job. Oh and jerry falwell oh uh-huh that also helped create that entire storyline and it seems to be all of this shit all this confusion can only help trump so it seems that all of this is a very convenient fini way to keep throwing throwing smoke in the air and throwing dirt in people's eyes were hillary clinton to be honest who should just fuck and disappear who it seemed to be. She really only killed people. That directly affected your political career so honestly if she was going to kill somebody she should've just killed herself doc right. She did she anyway now. She's she is. She's she's being her best. She's doing her best. She's in the woods woods did she do hashtag be be best indeed <hes> but when it comes to pass it. I don't put a pastor. I mean i don't even know anymore. This is the world of a conspiracy theories okay so well. That is <hes> you know this trump. I don't even think is really the he's not even the most important in person here we go so many people on so many different levels <hes> that wanted jeffrey epstein to be silenced and i think i would not be surprised most if epstein internalized all of that feeling that he knew everyone wanted to die and i think he probably felt it to the degree where he said that. I'm going to <hes> do everyone a favor and at all but going along with that i mean i think the most nuanced explanation or maybe the most nuanced explanation in the realm of conspiracy would be that yes perhaps epstein did actually by his own hands kill himself but he was given such a wide berth right to allow the allowed him to do interesting probably some coordination happening between between the people that don't wanting to talk and himself willingly giving himself over to the suicide option because i think epstein he he's very hyper aware of his image he he wants to be in control or he wants to be in control of everything that happens to him because he thought he had the power to manipulate reality around him and then he found himself at this end game and he said i'm not going to. I'm not going to go out like they want me to of all of the of all the theories right because because i'm i'm i'm gonna lean towards you travis because if you look at the irregularities that happen while he was in that i am at the same time. I believe that somebody like jeffrey epstein. This may be in the category of somebody like dennis rader where they are such a ah they've grown so in love with their own myth of themselves as a villain and that he had an incredible amount of patients and i think that really if you look for your opportunity it takes what three minutes to suffocate even if there was the standard thirty minute check he could do it. Oh yea time period and also the people that were watching him. Were not technically taos. They had moved people over to their position there. They massively massively fucked up but a part of it i think goes to i think we're not giving enough credit sure where we don't think that he's not a total title. Manipulative sociopath be able to charm a group of people so thoroughly that number one. He got himself out of suicide watch because he knew he he added. He knew he was gonna fucking off himself. I'm with you travis. I think that he is such a hollow person whose entire life was built upon this fake a a fake of a view of of of richness of he is invincible. He is global. He is everywhere. He is omnipotent and he knows everybody and he can fuck him. Manipulate everybody as soon as you go from. I get blown three times a day on my yacht my private ireland to now. I am in a cell and one of the most guarded jails in our country right. I think at this point you are ready to go. You're looking for an option again. What's yes. He knew what that was going to be. The end and i think you're right. I think he took it into his own hands. Because that's where the power was and then furthermore i think he has because you know he's this trans humanist. I <hes> subscribed to trans humanism. He wanted to do the big <hes> seating women and his ranch. I think to some extent he has achieved a kind of singularity because he is the villain that is ubiquitous in our minds as we were talking about is eddie idea of that he is a multigenerational thinker which is along the lines lines of many people that you would call if there is such a thing as you luminosity the it is these types of people these people who looked the idea of extending their lore deep deep into the future so that people will use them as a touchstone for forever and they can guide society but now again who benefits so if there is a there is like from giving him a wide berth to commit suicide for me. The person that most benefits is d'alene maxwell all and all of the interconnected directly around him so i think he could have been suicide by his own people. I think she's totally screwed. I think she's the one that doesn't benefit. Everyone else benefits because he's dead. I mean we've got the two thousand page document but he's gone so he's not gonna flip on everyone. He was hours he oh he was are going to be all flip. They all he never went to. He is not used to jail. He would have flipped. He would have committed suicide note. He's what he did all of his sort of like riches changing what his i think he is super naturally sort of eerily calm and like he would not give it up. I think that by the end of course he would. They always flip the day by year ten. He will be so desperate for anyone to speak with him. The only reason anyone would speak with him if he gave them another their name they would manipulate him. He is once you are broken once. You are in jail once. It's all stripped away. Everyone is the exact. We're been worked for blackwater blackwater so he's saying i think maxwell is screwed because now she is the number one person she is. The next didn't line for the epstein punishment. The victims of epstein are victims of her as well so when he took himself out of the picture she's the head of the snake now and and that's why she got on her fucking little boat and went out to see by because at this point. I didn't know who she would. Epstein was still alive. She was aside peace dam shoes aside i figure and now she is the main figure we're seeing new york. Times articles mercy new yorker articles cheese everywhere. She doesn't want to be implicit implicated in all of this now all the pictures of her at at chelsea clinton's wedding or showing up she is it now because epstein took himself out so i don't think she wins an lane maxwell. Well is also a glee maxwell. It's there's a great article about her in vanity fair explaining her mentality as well as she essentially go. The episode was sort of a pseudo father character for here that also was a lover an former boyfriend and all this shit and she was trying to keep his good graces for as long long as humanly possible and so. I think that she is what you're saying. She's the torch bearer. She is entire legacy and now she's just gone so we have no oh clue where the fuck she's gonna pop up. I will say this. This is where i will give the conspiracy theorists something if she ends up dead yet. If she ends up debt i will say okay. Let's take a look because epstein. He's in jail. It's very controlled like i think you're right. I think they allowed to occur. Yes very similar to the nine eleven but when it comes to her if she ends up in a uruguayan bath house found dead on the toilet something gene happened so that's what will what if she commits suicide. That's different though in public. She's in public so it's possible that she could get suicide and that's the only the one thing that conspiracy. I don't have going for them. In this case is epstein is in jail. It is not this is not the the batman. This is not batman. The joker is not walking talking through the jail dressed as a corrections officer. You know going to kill epstein but if she ends up dead that can carry we'll has come come all the way around now because when you have a bar saying there's something really <hes> something must have happened in that jail cell to jeffrey epstein and we are we are are we are investigating thoroughly right and then warner coming out saying we are now from from the state has basically said we cannot say committed suicide yet. We're waiting on further information so they are muddying the waters were looking at the actual top cop of our country and the media are working together her to actively insinuate that there really isn't illuminating because that's what that is right if you believe that jeffrey scene was murdered in his cell by someone either either some connection of his or by the fucking president or by hillary clinton and the clinton foundation you are literally. You are tipping a hat to to to your opening a world of conspiracy or that. You're doing just to protect who because now this is the mike thing right. You say the aluminum israel if you're going to say the aluminum israel but then you're going to try to report on it and say the top cop. It's like we're going to investigate illumine audio that also allowed information that the woman a he the circle steps wider then we're just being like they aluminum body whoever is did people behind the scenes or allowing the people in front of the camera to talk about the people behind the scenes. It's all still confronted also believe it but it's also lets them get off. Totally scott free like that was the one thing with when it comes to media which is just so sad to see. We had like joe scarborough who you know whatever but he was tweeting. Oh something seems fishy. All of these mainstream media streamed dreamed you're talking on seriously theory immediately talking conspiracy theory immediately and that is the danger of conspiracy theory takes your eyes often what actually matters which is these human beings who have power. They've worked so hard to get. They are the ones behind these fucking massive ass pedophile rings. They are the ones in charge of things they blame it on some conspiracy theory than they get off scot-free. This is the most suspicious event in recent history this is. This is a part of it where it's like. I just we're so confused right now. Because because of this this is such that we are in the middle of a fucking <hes> we're in the middle all of the pelican brief residence somehow we have ended up into this spot where reality is straight up. I mean this is. We're in a a a political thriller. I think the enormity of this event is is even highlighted by something. I just read which was <hes> et epsteins autopsy. There was a sort of third party pathologist who is observing the autopsy. Guy was michael bayden and that guy also observed the autopsies of martin luther king okay. He was also involved in the o._j. Trial and he was also he he was a party investigation of the j._f._k. Shootings as well interests so they paid dude so that's a lot of experience having that person in there. I think that sort of yeah underlines the enormity of this is a historical event and mean energy behind conspiracy theory in this one in particular. It's only good because it's sort of aiming. It's punching upward. Oh man. I don't know dude there are about. I think there's sixteen eighteen hundred billionaires in the world. We know the names of like eight of them like the titians. These are people who go out and they speak can public the scary. Most nefarious people are the ones that we don't even know exist and that is that true billionaire class we talked about like the people that run cargo exactly what people that run these gigantic multinational multi industrial companies that are also somehow involved in it a guy named steven pinker. Who's another scientists. Scientists like all of these influential scientists that were deep in the bracket of jeffrey epstein also very strangely. I mean we didn't hear about this. Jackass who runs victoria secret before the owner of the secret wexler so sandy they cancelled the victoria's secret fashion victims are all over the place. No victoria's secret fashion show back back in my day. That really did matter because we didn't have any sort of adult entertainment online. I used to build up what the secret special runway show coming on and members being like alright siemens you guys are all going on a trip today and they're like we can't wait ask but at the very least like this events shows that some may maybe some billionaires make mistakes and they slip up and they they okay let that mask slide in the wrong situation and epstein was the wrong they were just running with the wrong guy and then they got caught and now now. We're in this big thing but i mean yeah you're right. There's billionaires that that live in the shadows so that's where they want to be. We'll never know but these people may be have messed up enough for us to sort of poke them in the eye but that's how review the clintons. The thing with the clintons is that they would they were connected to whoever was going to help them at the time. It was gonna help them. They are very ambitious people everybody to them as a throwaway throwaway person to them jeffrey epstein was a throwaway person they were using him for his various connections and all his money and now ever since they took he took those four plane writes this. I've heard so many different numbers on the amount of plane work built. He bill clinton has claimed four yeah four the times. I've seen the number twenty six thrown around quite often as well thing is. Is that if you do if you're on anything called the lolita express right i would say is a- at least if it was just a glow leader like standard chip i at least be like ali's take some time for the little girls to get there. It's not that much of an emergency but when the lita the express it means they're getting there as fast as possible and that's what i think is really concerned. I think for me if i'm going on a strange billionaires explain it better recalled. The milk train because that is where i would. I would really enjoy myself you would never drive the you've never had the lalita audubon no more though in because it's germany but let's couple more conspiracy theories number one idea that jeffrey epstein was there's a body double and then he acts if you look at it. The ear matches folks. I've seen the fucking put about the nose in review. I do love the <hes> what just like a line line drawing lines around ears and then when you but you're not a very senior lying around the year that you just made those lines. You made them different. Yes this is what we talked about in the live show but it was interesting though because you get a feeling that as soon as he was found the ceos were like oh shit uh eh because usually we don't have photos released a person who committed suicide so bizarre but i think that what and so that's obviously were a lot of the conspiracy theories came in because he's tried. They're trying too hard but i think they just saw the gravity and recognized the gravity of the situation and they were like we we better document this <hes> otherwise no one is even going to believe that he is dead and he maybe he'll just originally el chapo himself and just scares the fucking whereas the pictures osama bin laden's fucking corpse. Oh they went to go look for him again and i went to go look for him and they all said the same thing apparently one. I don't know if it's conspiracy theory or just straight up theory was that the reason the osama bin laden photos were never released was because his body was so badly mutilated that apparent one of the stories is that he got tapped and and all of seal team six when a book a book a book a book in fucking lit up his whole fucking body that he was just straight up a bunch of coleslaw. That kinda makes us look bad actually actually in a weird way. Yes that's the way they didn't want to release it because he thought it would create an international incident of its show that when said of either taken prisoner or doing anything that we fucking tournament them into chinese food but i mean when it comes down to it. I mean you know get them but i still would like to see a picture of the mush. I guess well i believe there. There was some released there. I spoke with o'neill neil the guy who actually shot him or says he shot him. That's up for debate. <hes> because also seal teams are not supposed to say who like anyway so he's not necessarily another good graces is but now he's a t._v. Target head now and i spoke with him about all that stuff and it was really fascinating when they when they dumped him overboard obviously that it was just so that they didn't have a the place a mecca for people to go and mourn and now of course his son has also been dead the other conspiracy theories that the camera inside of his cell was inoperable that is completely leonov true. It comes just from a random. Ask tweet it's it literally has no basis i checked and checked and i know no one has said anything about the camera in his cell being inoperable. We have not seen any of that footage yet. We have no clue what exactly how inside of that cell yeah i. They don't release it. I'm not sure i almost hope that they <hes> that's tough to say. I guess maybe they do need to to just sort of put certain ideas or rumors to rest <hes> but yeah that maybe maybe to calm people down. I'm not quite sure the same like fucking osama bin laden. What we are seeing is again. Real conspiracy in the wheel conspiracy has come out of this. Is that the cloud of confusion. This creates allows absolutely louis lata shit. We're in the middle of probably what will end up being one of the most contentious elections. The united states will have seen for quite a bit of time. I i think that we are i think twenty twenty and be a minefield this. This is the type of shit that allows them to make big moves moves allows them to do shit in this time period especially somebody like our bite. The fucking president who works at a really works within in a cloud of confusion very very interesting. There's a lot of billionaires very scared right now. There's a lot of people who don't want their names to be out there. In the papers and you're right they're probably scattered around. They're probably trying to get money out of certain places but it into other places trying to erase history any kind of relationship that they had publicly with jeffrey epstein steve. I'm sure as being scrubbed because he he gave so much to so many people he took pictures with so many folks he glad-handed so many folks he is. They are all actively erasing. He's seen him from history as we speak which is because of his connections not the easiest task to pull off so either way no matter matter what has happened here jeffrey epstein a complete and utter waste of a life. I was talking to marcus about this as well and henry why you have everything you have it. All all these people have so much and they choose to throw it all away because their egos they're narcissism and just their their idea. They can the idea that they can get away. They can do things that we can't do because they have power. They have money and they have clout so. I am actually the one positive thing about this. It sets a precedent for these wealthy elitist world wide the world the people who are in control of the world this the president like no one is above our standards and no one is going to be treated differently and obviously they are and they still will most likely be but this is at least a little chink in the armor of just being like hey you all can't just get away with raping a lot. A bunch of children death reminds me that we live in illusory world. You know like manhattan is a giant sex dungeon with the world's biggest. Just have we walked by. It's just so crazy 'cause we. You know obviously coming <hes> living in brooklyn and beat him manhattan. We walked by these houses and you wonder what's going on. I feel the same way with <hes> with robert. Durst like what is going on in these huge mansions that everyone we put on a pedestal we walk by say oh my god i would love to live in that and what dark world does that door open up to. My big thing too is that it shows that if we were vaguely somewhat in in a class war happening right now if this if this is true this is how they view your view and this is on on all sides. You are a sex story for them. You are nothing you are nothing. They dealt with people like chess. Now off we are in the middle of is an entire hijacking of mo- society by these he's billionaires. We're looking at <hes>. There was a story. I was reading about the a billions of money. The billions of dollars going into the billions of dollars going into believe into stock home. I'm trying to find these like these places very intense liberal places that are being flipped too hard right far-right philosophies by billions and billions of dollars they want to i guess lessen the population they want to do put us into into some sort of battle against shelves that terrip apart. They're trying to make sure that we're focused on on these. These daily a fights on the internet. The one is wrapped up in it because they don't wanna see like the real answer is again. The group of people storming a spot fought is again animated. That's just again pointing towards the wrong. No it really is <hes> extremely interesting and obviously we'll cover the political aspects of all this unabling its top add this week <hes> but you're right man the the amount of redistribution of wealth in this country has been going on for a long time and globally it's been going on. I'm for a long time and these billionaires they cash in on their investments on a regular basis and i think henry has a great idea as well. One point epstein messed. I with the wrong dudes money then. That's what started this entire thing. A kosta was like well. We'll charge. You barely do it. You'll you won't really serve any time and and then he just continued to be a pariah. He became too big of a liability and they this <hes> this was allowed to occur again. There's a there's a quote from the michael apple bayden pathologist guy that i'd like to read. I think that sums this up pretty well. The famous and infamous the celebrated and notorious do not bleed and die as the rest of us do they have scenarios is intricately plotted dramas buried villain stock the earth hidden and other guises and news of their obscure ends in far away villages only brings disbelief. Wow that's wow honestly interview that man. I can we interview. I wanna talk to you but this is just one one of our take obviously fucking spill out into society for the next couple of months or years or wherever long this takes. Do you see more than just go. I don't know you know or or does it. Just go away. I could see that too tomorrow tomorrow. Something else ridiculous happens and we forgot about all this and everyone who is currently liane edge says who we avoided it again. We got away with it again. Because we've changed the new the media narrative. I mean even talking with travis. He watches listens to a show. Oh the daily time yeah. This wasn't even the most of new story of the we got back from. I got back from a milwaukee on monday and then i was gonna sit down and have a coffee and listen to the daily. Listen to michael michael barbaro about epstein suicide. The biggest news story and the thing on monday was about some freshman senator and i felt immediately you like the heat in my head. I was like what this is. This is actually like being swept under the rug. Michael barr was down <hes> but yeah i mean i i became obsessed with. I watched <hes> eyes wide shut on the plane and the problem is that it's all that you just see everybody wearing matthew lease. That's a really bad movie to watch on a plane because then you have to constantly back now. I'm watching this because of the thing that just happened. I also relates eight year old kind of strange but anyway. I'm i'm little girl. This is done by a master of cinema named kubrick digital women in front of the opening gaping vaginas seen just to simply caught some of the shearson shyam. We're like totally living in eyes wide shut you know they just kill people in pat. Each other on the back of nothing happens like the truman show meets. I'd wide shut eyes wide shut <hes> <hes> all right well anyway. Let's do here of the week very quick the word okay this weeks of the week. He's the dude as far as i know. This is completely really harmless. He wears the t._v. On his head and he drops off tv. I love this story. Yes this is happening in virginia. It's a dude who literally where's where's the t._v. On his head and because of the ring technology of course that's the new home security tech. We get to actually see him. He drops off televisions. He doesn't do anything to anyone <hes>. He considers himself the t._v. Santa claus this is what according to jim brooks pank. This is what he says. He's a homeowner gyms a homeowner all mortar. He says he wants to be known as the t._v. Santa claus. I could go one because he's the only one you gave nickname truly. This artistic warrior showed and given something to talk of giving people something to talk about this doubt yes as you said brooks bake said we got an old tube style tv thirteen inch <hes> this is according to home under michael crow. He says i thought my son brought it home but apparently not they had way too much time on their hands of all if they had all these t._v.'s and spread read them all over the neighborhood but you know what eitel hands idle hands are the devil's workplace or the devil's work thing so they kept them busy and whoever you are weird t._v. T._v. on your head guide dropping off other t._v.'s in virginia porches your this week's hero of the week he's great i love doing he's just doing fully cooley 'cause causeway. He's just t._v. Boy from fully cool. It's pretty fun. I really like <hes> you must have been having it because they have video of two and he apparently he did it to the day a year later like he did it. Once before in august august whatever the day was august eleventh twenty eighteen but apparently only the we didn't see him because it was before the rampant infestation of ring cameras yes so now i don't know if he likes the ring camera not maybe he never wanted the attention <hes> but it does look difficult to clean up all the t._v.'s and i guess it is kinda scary to get a random t._v. on your porch but as far as i know he has grown so he's just a he's just a funny t._v. Santa claus as far as i know i know what until i actually had a bunch of letters this week but we're running out of time because of bullshit so i'm just gonna. I'm gonna say next sweetcorn. We'll have double. You're letters next week double letters next week <hes> all right everyone all the wall so much for you're listening and truly thank you so much for coming out to the shows in saint paul des moines and milwaukee. We just absolutely loved it and then i had a chance to show my documentary a on sunday milwaukee. Thanks to everyone who came out to that. It was just really remarkable. This i mean the midwest henry is just. It's just very sweet their various. Here's the best comedy audiences in the world. It was so much fun. I love being man. Just relaxing love the food on took some. I think the sixteen spotted cows we had on the saturday night and we're not good for my body. I only took my last beer shit. Okay good spot. A cow is the single greatest fear in the history of beer is is literally the best player to ever exist. It's so good <hes> all right. Everyone thank you for <hes> love that you are not intricately involved in the life of a pedophile billionaire good love that you've made good choices about your friends. Your business associates laugh like you're a correctional title officer who just received the twenty grand wired ear account that you're walking into jeffrey jail cell in order to choke him to death laugh like you're just about the go-to with that money in a double and live not unlike got coward epstein live and you know what if you made mistakes and acknowledged collagen move on because that's how you grow see or yes you may be some deeply vastly connected pedophile billionaire but if you just say i'm sorry goes a long way. Well maybe jail sentence as well but <hes> all right. Everyone thank you so much for listening hail yourselves hail satan magoo's delay shins wins hail knee. I'm innocent. You are buddy. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors words you can support our shows by supporting them for more shows like the one you just listen to go to last podcast network dot com.

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Aug 25 -  Pete Buttigieg, Bill Weld. David McIntosh

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Aug 25 - Pete Buttigieg, Bill Weld. David McIntosh

"This sunday trade war and the economy another escalation is china poses retaliatory tariffs on the u._s. The president orders there's u._s. Companies out of china and the dow falls more than six hundred points having a spat with china and we'll win it. A world economy slowed by the trade. War is the backdrop for the g. Seven summit of world leaders and friends plus a head-spinning week of presidential pronouncements and reversals on a tax cut payroll roll taxes. I've been thinking about payroll taxes for a long time. I've looked at a tax cut now. We don't need it on gun background checks. We have to have meaningful background chat. We already have very serious background checks even on buying greenland. It's not number one in the burner. This is something that's been discussed for many years by guests this morning. Former republican governor bill well who is challenging president trump and trump critic turned ally club for growth president. David mcintosh also democratic dilemma isn't enough to run against the president's character and competence or do voters want a nominee who will radically transform washington. I think the biggest risk we take i'll talk to democratic candidate footage of indiana and team of rivals and unlikely group of former trump allies turn earn critics prepare to take on the president on the trail and on the air watching a full blown meltdown of the united states joining me for insight and analysis this is our washington post columnist eugene robinson betsy woodruff of the daily beast new york times columnist brad stevens and kristen solta sanderson columnist the washington examiner welcome to sunday. It's meet the press from n._b._c. News washington longest running show in television history. They did sunday morning for much of this week. We wondered whether we should take what president trump says seriously early anymore. By the end of the week we were reminded that the words and actions of the most powerful man in the world do have real world consequences in just the past few days. The president was not interested in buying greenland before he was so interested that he postponed a trip to denmark when the danes wouldn't sell on tax cuts. Mr trump was against new ones before he was for them before he was against them again. Stay with me on expanded background checks on guns. The president who is traditionally against them then was four them after el paso in dayton didn't against them reportedly after talking to the head of the n._r._a. Then apparently for them again but now maybe not. This is not a left right issue. It's a factor fiction issue but there was no denying the implications of what the president was saying and doing on friday both china and mr trump escalated the trade war that mr trump has initiated she aided the president flirting a bit with authoritarianism with this tweet directed at america's business community are great. American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to china the result of the president's tweets. The dow plunged more than six hundred points as the president headed off to france. I g seven meeting with world. Leaders who already nervously eyeing a slowing world economy threatened further by trade wars. Donald trump came into office promising to discard traditional alliances and practices and better worse. He is delivered on that promise but now real questions are being raised about whether the united states can continue to be counted on to provide the leadership. The world has come to expect from it since the end of the second world war tariffs coming in by the billion as president trump meets with the u._s. Allies anxious about slowing global economy his own volatility is raising questions about his ability to manage the world's largest one. The president is ratcheting up his trade war with china threatening to raise taxes on chinese goods presidents and administrations allow them to get away. We take you hundreds of billions of dollars every a year claiming sweeping emergency powers to quote here by order u._s. companies to cut ties with china in nineteen seventy seven. We had an act pass. A national emergency act the absolute right to do that and attacking the federal reserve chair. He appointed again tweeting. My only question is who is our bigger enemy jay powell or chairman you. I want him to resign. Let me put it this way if he did. I wouldn't stop them. Some of mr trump's own allies say the the president is increasingly worried about a recession and are concerned his own focus on the darkening picture could be self fulfilling the president himself. Just can't can't seem to stop talking about it. The word recession is a word that's inappropriate. We're very far from recession. The fake news of which many of your members is trying to convince the public to have a recession. Let's have a recession. You people wanna recession. Maybe that's the way to get trump out and the president's erotic style has been on full display on tuesday. He floated a tax cut payroll taxes something that we think about by wednesday. He said it was not on the table. I'm not looking at a tax cut now needed. We have a strong economy. He is using satanic language to describe himself. Somebody had to do it. I i am the chosen one. Somebody had to do it so i'm taking on china tweeting conspiracy theories and zigzagging basic policy this week reversing basing himself on guns. We can do meaningful very meaningful background checks. We have a lot of background checks right now and even on buying greenland after after claiming we may be going to denmark not for this reason at all on tuesday he canceled the trip saying based on the danish prime minister's comments that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of greenland. The business community is wary. Just like another one way ticket on titanic and twenty twenty democrats are already taking advantage running on a return to stability. We're seeing the president of the united states has become more and more unhinged. We know so the words were president matter. They can move markets. I don't know what the president is thinking when he says he can just <hes> here by order companies to do this or that. We need an economy that actually actually works for all of us and joining me now from the g. Seven and france is n._b._c. News chief white house correspondent halley jackson and halley. I know this this white house. At times and republicans here in washington at times don't know exactly how to defend the president and and some of what he says any moment in time i know that the white house has had a hard time finding somebody to provide us for this show today and it may be because of misinterpretations of what the president may mean at any given point in time the president this morning asked about having second thoughts about china. I wanna play for what he said and then. I want you to explain what he really meant here. It is pretty sure monday's wealth the second thoughts about everything all right that certainly sounded after two followups that sounded like a president who at least was hearing the criticism he's been receiving from his fellow world leaders about this trade war but apparently he didn't mean what he said. That's according to the white house press secretary stephanie grisham that was big news that sound bite you displayed for about six hours here on the coast of france in biarritz that the president who rarely concedes regret on any topic seem to be signaling some kind of regret here but the white house's will wait a second not so fast that is being misinterpreted the press secretary saying the president's vince regret with actually that he was not tougher on china and at the terror were more stringent so inverting the way that many people read that moment in the room. You asked me to explain what the president meant there chuck. I can't tell you i can only look at what the president is saying and doing the issue here at the seven is that he's saying and doing things that are contradictory in this instance for example of these china tariffs and whether or not the president is having second thoughts. The white house seems to want it both ways in front of two different audience. This is a president chuck and and you know this who knows how to read the room and he is in a room now right and he was in that instance with other leaders who are gently pushing back on the issue of trade. He gets that and this is a president who at least for this trip does not want to be it seems the wrecking ball. That's different from what we've seen from other summits but in this instance the president wants to portray that everybody's going along to get along that the french president had hoped for a no drama sound that seems to be where the president wants the perception to be but at home the press secretary and the white house seemed to be sending a message that no no don't worry. This is still a tough commander in chief. This is still the guy who's going to put those tough tariffs on china. Hey we're still fighting for you. So within the span of about eight hours you have these two different messages produce unjustly topic which notable to me here chuck is we've seen these meetings unfold throughout the day is the pushback that the president is getting it is not tough pushback the cape the worst johnson and the president this morning very gentle he even said i'm going to make a sheep like noise here and tell you about my pushback. They know that they can't come out to strongly. Only against the president you also saw the same with prime minister shinzo abe of japan when president trump downplay those recent missile tests by north korea said he wasn't happy about them but also said they didn't violate kareem <unk> shinzo ave very quickly in the next breath came out and said well wait a second. No those missile tests do violate agreements and we have a problem with it all right holly jackson <hes> for us at the g seven halley. Thanks very much by the way and that same in these same boris johnson back and forth the president was asked about the discussion of bringing russia back into the asia and apparently the president said they had a bit of a disagreement on that and let go anyway halley. Thanks very much joining me now. Former governor bill well who was mounting mounting a long shot primary challenge president trump david mcintosh. He's the president of the conservative club for growth which spend money opposing candidate trump in two thousand sixteen but now apparently plans to support support him for reelection wanna welcome both of you governor well former congressman mcintosh comfortable. I want to start with you because this is what you said about not supporting a candidate trump back in two thousand sixteen. You said this year is different. This is when you guys were supporting ted cruz because there is a vast gulf between the two leading republican candidates on matters of economic liberty. Their records make clear that ted cruz is a consistent conservative who will fight to shrink the federal footprint. Well donald trump would seek to remake government government in his desired image summary that quote congressman and say you know what you were pretty oppression. That is what donald that some will say that is exactly what donald trump has done and chuck we were supporting reporting ted cruz then and in the middle of the campaign you mix it up but what we base our current position on is the results president trump has governed as a free pre-market conservative cutting taxes trying to get rid of obamacare deregulating their oil and energy industry deregulating the internet and it's working. The economy is still at two and a half three percent growth. That's a reversal from his predecessor unemployment at the lowest rate ever and you see more and more people the entering the workplace and getting higher. I wanna follow up something. You said you said he's governed is a free market conservative. I'm just lifting this directly from your website. The cost of protectionism largely totally born not by some foreign country but by american businesses consumers and taxpayers this was based on urinalysis clipper gross analysis of what for instance tariffs on the steel industry would do do how can you say he's governed as a free market conservative when he has been issuing tariffs left and right and the trade is a difficult issue <hes> bay ah you're struggling with this. The tariffs are attacks on the american people problem. I think you've got to step back and in fact what's going on at the g seven. This is explained explain same thing. It's the art of the deal and what we like about president. Trump's vision on trade is his goal of zero zero tariffs and we support that strongly family and i have come to recognize these tariffs are his way of forcing the chinese to come to the table. They're costly and we we want them to go away but he's using them to get to that. Ultimate goal of zero zero tariffs governor you've been thought it was a very moderate republican but where you align nine with the republican party over the last couple of decades always was on fiscal issues. You just heard congress macintosh. Make a case that the president is a free governing like a free market. Conservative is governing like a free market conservative in your mind <hes> he's not a small government guy at all where we're spending more on interest on the deficit now than we we are on national defense interest on the debt is the fourth largest item in the federal budget. Their spending money in washington like drunken sailors a trillion in dollar a year. Mr trump's budget admittedly a multi year budget but it added nine trillion dollars to the deficit three days ago. It went up another eight hundred hundred billion dollars. That's almost another trillion dollars. You can't keep doing that indefinitely. Every household in the united states every governor in the united states as mister mcintosh knows has to balance the budget by constitution or by necessity and my motto when i was in office is there's no such thing as government money. There's only tax payers. There's money well. They've forgotten that in washington led by the president and they think it's their money and it's not well governor though this only play devil's advocate about about the debt there have been folks like yourself and others who have been talking about that if this debt keeps increasing. It's going to be a drag on the economy. There hasn't been a drag on the economy yet why well it's gonna be a drag not just on the economy but on our national security because we're effectively relying on other countries countries to buy our treasury bills to get us out of this terrible deficit position. We're in order to forestall the united states going into bankruptcy and that's economics economics one. Oh one <hes> and so i it's just <hes> very much against the economic interest of the american people to keep going in this direction and everybody everybody who thinks about it. <hes> knows it furthermore. <hes> you know the president tax <hes> as you were pointing out earlier on every single issue in my view it no longer are matters what the president says because that may be his first thought of the moment or as i ramble or as first raving but you can be assured there'll be a second thought a third thought aforethought all of which are going to be different from the first thought comes from mcintosh that i i remember during the obama years. A lot of conservatives criticized the obama administration because hey you know all these big ideas you guys are talking about. It's creating instability in the business community. How is what the president's doing not. I mean it's clear the reason for the slow down is the business community is is suddenly nervous because they don't know how this trade wars going to turn out isn't this creating instability and as i mentioned earlier the key to understanding this is reading donald trump's book the art of the deal where yes things are going to change you get the i want to be your friend. I wanna work with you donald trump when he's trying to push towards the deal when the deal breaks apart you get the donald trump. I'm gonna impose lizzy gotten. Where's this work. I mean this. This art of the deal thing gets thrown out there a lot. Where's this actually really worked. He doesn't have an infrastructure deal. He didn't new healthcare. He doesn't have a new deal with china. It hadn't worked yet. It worked on replacing nafta and that was a successful we'd it had this yeah and the only blocking that is ansi pelosi and the democrats in the house. What did what did nafta literally after two point. Oh you didn't really change them old. Hold a better deal for the u._s. In the president's eyes and it's an example of how the art of the deal worked. I think the key thing for donald trump is to show that he's got a vision for the second term and to continue with another round of tax cuts and he's deciding which way he wants to go on that right. We're going to urge one that is for small businesses to give the pass through the same tax. Break the corporates to governor weld. You're obviously challenging the president of primary you don't think he deserves renomination shen. If you don't get the nomination does he deserve reelection absolutely not let let me just say i think president trump does have a vision for the second term and it's what steve bannon bannon. His political robespierre says he says if president trump is reelected. You're going to see four years of unadulterated unrequited payback. Mr mr trump is going to pay back all his enemy payback for what it's just. It's another example of his extreme malignant narcissism. He's he's only happy when other people are losing. It's not enough for him to win. He makes sure his vendors get paid five and ten cents on the dollar why he and his rich banker friends walk off with hundreds the millions of dollars. That's just reputation in new york new york new jersey as one of the most dishonest businessmen in the area governor. You're the first republican to jump in. A bunch of other. Republicans are thinking about it. Any of these other republicans would convince you to get out and support them not to get up but i'm thrilled about joe walsh and mark sanford getting getting in. I think that's terrific and it's going to be a more robust conversation. Who knows the networks might even cover republican primary debates they can ill afford to say they cover only democrats but i'm looking forward to both those fellas getting in and i hope <hes> more as well it can only contribute to more robust dialogue and that'll be good for for the country. We need to assemble rational people. You know sure a crazed president. <hes> <hes> makes the stock market. Go down but that doesn't mean we have to like it all right well governor well well congressman mcintosh. I think we show that we can have a disagreements without sounding disagreeable with each other. Thank you both for sharing morning. Thank thank you check good to be with you later. This hour pete buddha joins me live and when we come back the economy has been the president's strongest selling point for reelection could his signature issue become reliability panelists next new for meet the press chuck todd cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back the panelists here washington post columnist eugene robinson christian soldiers anderson for the washington examiner betsy woodruff political reporter order for the daily beast and new york times columnist bret stevens. Welcome to you all <hes>. I think the best way to set up. This conversation is i'm gonna i want to read for you. Andrew sullivan's taken eric erikson's take on the president this week they both agree on one thing that the president had erratic behavior and that's as far as they get here is andrew sullivan. If you can begin to engage this bizarre dangerous arranged an ignorant stream of consciousness and try to discern some kind of logic or pattern. Your brain will break. Here's irks. I'd rather have a president whose behavior makes other people feel comfortable being braying jackasses then a democrat who wants to take away my healthcare while giving health care to illegal aliens. The president may be nuts in his behavior but i'll take his crazy over the insanity. The democrats would unleash on the united states red stevens. I feel like that that it's an interesting the eric ericson rationale. I thought i heard a little bit of that rationale in d- mister mcintosh's extraordinarily manichean. I mean let's let's see who the democrats a a wind up wind up nominating the real issue for for republicans simply to call out the fact that the president does not stand in any way for the <hes> traditional conservative economic principles that have defined the party for the better part of the last seventy years. They don't even stand never mind the economic principles wrodwar principles of character. I mean what what we saw over. The last few days is a president who is either mentally unwell or morally unfit. Maybe both i don't know but it's important born to simply. Call these things as we as we see them. You have behavior that is unprecedented in any kind of presidential oh history in the united states or frankly elsewhere so when i hear guys like eric's wow you know this is at the end of the day. This is a choice. I'd actually rather have a candidate debate on the democratic side who at least doesn't scare me every single every single morning. I feel like this entire debate of the twenty twenty campaign just right there that's right and part of what's going on in the background as the president's comments about particularly china trade unfolded over the last week. Is that the way the united states government thinks about our relationship asian with china has changed dramatically right now. I can tell you that white house officials think it's less and less likely the u._s. will actually reach a trade deal with china and rather is going to lurch from a truce truce postponing tariffs postponing punitive action. That's because within the ill always hang over there. That's because in the background in the white house and the the intelligence community they see china first and foremost as a national security concern rather than as an economic concern and that's where voters come down to this question as well. <hes> pew research center has been studying american views on china for the last decade and a half. We're record high levels of americans saying that they have an unfavorable view of china and most of that's actually driven not bhai economic concerns in the poll. Most people say they're okay with china being economically strong. It's national security concerns that our chief and this is why i think the president is able even in the midst most of what feels like complete chaos in terms of the trade issue to have a little bit of latitude there were his economic job approval remains about eight to ten points higher than his overall overall job approval but it's going down and it and it should be at look at the real world results of donald trump's erratic behavior whether through mental deficiency or moral deficiency or some combination thereof look look at your 4._0._1._k. Today go on it. Go online right now and look at it and see what happened to it on friday. I chose. I'm not i'm not gonna. I'm not going there either but it's it's extraordinary and when i hear people like the congressman talk about you know the art of the deal you know donald trump didn't write a word of that book including the title driven by tony schwartz with through my what to school. He wrote the whole one wonders. If donald trump is read it but what has it gotten the united states it has it has made no aw agreements it has gotten us nowhere and so this idea that there's this sort of master player of four dimensional chess who's sir i will say this. The only is not true. The only thing i will say to people if there's one thing you've got understand about. Donald trump has said he doesn't believe anything's on the level and i do think that that is i mean. He doesn't believe anything's on the level whether it's the press whether it's the government he's always believed he doesn't believe anything on the level including a conversation he will have with somebody who's an ally library and i was just saying this is a big piece of his economic messaging at the moment which is he's got to juggle both touting what he believes very strong economy trying to keep those economic job approval numbers hi well sort of laying the groundwork for if this begins to fall apart to be able to say it's the feds fault. It's china's fault. It's congress's fault for not passing minute nasmyth classic autocratic autocratic strategy. When your economy goes south you blame speculators you blame the media you blame someone else but this one of the problems i have with a lot of certainly conservative apologetic for trump is they always say you have to separate the signal from the noise and the reality of the trump presidency is the noise is the signal and and and it's dangerous we are blundering our way into a contest with with the chinese. That's not about national security. It's a contest of face between two leaders who see themselves as essentially supreme supreme leaders and for which neither of them is easily going to back down. We ended up at a war in in world war two in part because we were trying to impose an economic embargo on japan. These things have a precedent and they're and they're worried we should be worried about china but trying to wage a trade war with a bit with no outcome. Insight is going to have consequences. These questions of signals noise and art of the deal are going to be front of mind at the g seven and this is something that white house officials a really desperate for keep an eye out for some sort of announcement or conversation about bilateral trade deal with the u._k. The white house would love to say that they're going to be sort of throwing some sort of assistance to boris johnson. He's negotiating to leave the european union toward the end of october as far as this question of national security and how that affects the united states trade relationship with china. It's an existential issue for the u. S. china relationship arguably the most important relationship in the world and for white house officials right now. They see this as incredibly origin. They believe that the unit that china is in danger of overreaching in hong kong. They're worried about concerns of overreach in taiwan. The navy spends a huge percentage of its budget on activity in the south south china sea and for trump and his aides to navigate that is increasingly complex for what it's worth. This is a weak that we saw and while it's sort of a motley crew of of of trump opponents on the right. They're starting to percolate <hes> we we had one and bill well. Here's a few others that may challenge them in a primary a friend calls that god's clear calendar for reason. I know what it is. You need to primarily the president i'm like. Are you completely. Here's the deal. This guy isn't fit for office office. Every time he opens his mouth. He tells a lie. We're watching a full blown. Meltdown of the of the united states. He has been melting down like a nuclear reactor now. Joe walsh was one of the three people in there by the way he's actually officially announced. This is a guy who's who at one time tweeted if trump didn't win grab a musket yup. Would you see the people that have turned on this president. You start to wonder. Is it going to happen. Impact actually of the of the three the more significant in terms of public opinion might be scaramucci mucci accidentally because people know him in the mood and he's come out in a new yorker fashion gone all in on on the sort of trump is crazy line in this very interesting at at this g seven how the pushback from other leaders is coming. It's it's very gentle very measured but <hes> but it's definitely there week is it now. It's week but it's it's it's. Let's just get through this. It's you know it is the six plus one at this point and bilateral deal with the u._k. They hitting out something that is going nowhere in in the house of representatives according to pelosi unless the ireland issue was settled and it won't be settled with a with a nobile that might come on the u._k. Would be almost entirely entirely symbolic but for the white house even symbolic witness something. They're desperate for right now well. They think they're doing johnson a favor but i think in his negotiations whether that's true or not. I think it's it's unclear when we come back. Democrats are debating how to take on president. Trump will running against the president on character and competence be enough or we'll democratic voters expect to be inspired by some big transformative ideas not just as joe biden said so bluntly this week to swallow a little bit buddha. Jr is next welcome back. Democratic presidential candidates face their own dilemma. Do they argue that. Whatever differences voters have with them. President trump needs to go because he's unfit for office. Essentially the biden message or as restoration and preservation of the obama legacy simply not enough should the right response to the election chian of trump be to campaign on new and boulder ideas. Mayor pete joins me now from freedom new hampshire mayor booted. It's good to see you again again and let me just dive right into that question but ask it this way. This was a week where the president certainly had some erratic moments back as you know. Many voters have that safe harbor mentality <hes> especially during weeks like this. This strikes me as particularly challenging being for any candidate not named joe biden any candidate. That wasn't a former vice president. How do you talk to those voters well. I guess what i would say is this the the president is certainly a problem a big one but he's not the only problem. Ask yourself. How a guy like this ever got within cheating distance of the oval office in the first place i would argue that doesn't happen unless the country's already in a kind of crisis and we see it in the fact that for pretty much as long as i've been alive even when the economy has been growing and quickly most americans haven't been getting ahead one of many reasons why in places like the industrial midwest where i live back to normal is not going going to be a good enough message because normal was not good enough of course there are huge problems with president especially now. We're not even debating whether the president is telling the truth or making sense we're just debating whether it matters when he doesn't and it does matter as you can see by the way he has created turmoil in global markets with his words but even so getting rid of the president is not enough. We need to replace this presidency with something better that actually works for americans or somebody even more unstable could would gain power and emerging our politics in the future well as you know the counter. The argument is going to be well. We the trump was a big risk. Trump was somebody would never tried before. You're you're asking voters to take a big risk. In that sense to it is i i. I i understand exactly the the message. You're trying to send their there but that is the other side of that message. Which is we'll wait a minute. He was new and different your new and different. There's some very different versions of what new and different my presidency will be about making sure. Americans can actually get ahead when we have a rising tide it actually lifts all boats votes in addition to restoring american credibility around the world. We need to explain what we're going to do to make your life better and the less we're talking about him. The more we're talking about <hes> you good news is this is winning turf for democrats. Remember the american people broadly speaking agree with us on wages agree with us on healthcare agree with us for sure on on gun safety <hes> when it comes to the things that are actually going to decide whether your kid is safe at school whether your income is going up whether your healthcare is secure whether there's a good outlook in your we're everyday life. That's a winning message for us and we need to explain what we're going to do on that out with the old compelling though it is is not a complete message. I want to talk about <hes> some national security issues because i think as political pointed out earlier this week democrats aren't gonna just be able to unwind the trump foreign policy. If you are going to try to put it put it back. I mean look if you're if you're in favor of a two-state solution with the israelis and the palestinians that feels like that's taken ten or fifteen steps back no matter who the next president it is did it with china or other countries not sure okay. They can cut a deal with this president but given what happened with the last president. How can i trust this deal. How much harder is it going to be for the next president to do any sort of trade pack or multi multi-country pack and how do you reassure these countries of that. If you're president my focus is president will be restoring u._s. Credibility by pulling together in the name of values that are american values that our country at its best has upheld advanced but are also universal shared values that means standing with the people of hong kong when they're insisting on democracy it means leading on climate diplomacy remember part of the u._s. Isolation on display this week is that at the g seven you have world leaders coming coming together among other things talking about what they're going to do on climate and you've got an american president who doesn't even believe it's a problem the u._s. could be restoring our credibility by leading the world in facing facing some of the biggest challenges we have from issues like climate to stability in the global economy to advancing human rights and democracy to things like <hes> dealing with terrorists threats from islamist extremism or from the rising tide of white nationalist violence that is a problem not only here in the united states but around the world. Let's dive straight into china your president you've got these. You're going to inherit. Perhaps a bunch of tariffs that are been slapped on china is your initial instinct to <music> remove all the tariffs and then try to start anew with china and would you use the issue of hong kong as part harder than in any trade pack. Well certainly the people of hong kong need to know that we stand with them and china needs to know that if they're going to perpetrate trait a repeat of tiananmen they will be isolated from the democratic world that being said we can find areas of cooperation from climate to security to trade it just has to be something that actually works for americans now obviously the current strategy. I'm not even sure you can call it a strategy. Let's say the current pattern of poking china in the eye with tariffs and seeing what will happen isn't working. It is crushing american soybean farmers other farmers in american consumers. You know we are already estimated to be paying five five hundred thousand dollars more americans this year because of this trade war. I don't know where we're supposed to get that kind of money. President says he's gonna delay. Some of it. Till christmas is but what are we supposed to do. After christmas. My focus in terms of china strategy will be identifying areas of mutual advantage and holding them accountable for the problems problems that we've seen created by currency manipulation just realize that they're not going to change their fundamental economic model and because we poked them with a few tariffs that's why are the the alternate way to stay ahead of china is to invest in our domestic competitiveness and unfortunately we're doing the reverse underinvesting everything from education to infrastructure here at home. President president obama thought one of the ways to confront china was to create an asian pacific trade pack. I know t._p._p. Became this sort of red herring. If you will or litmus test among democratic arctic primary voters let me ask you a question of it this way i know where you stand on teepee but putting together a non china asian pacific alliance is that the best way to confront china. It's certainly part of how we can set global economic cooperation on terms that makes sense for us instead dead of allowing them to be dictated by china the problem with t._p._p. Had to do with the fact that basic standards that we have on corporate governance and environmental and labor expectations expectations weren't being met. Yes we can do it but again. The fundamental way to stay ahead of china is to invest in our own competitiveness. They're investing billions more and artificial intelligence. According to a national strategy then we are then there is a very strong likelihood that they will be running circles around us by the time. I have kids who are old enough to vote. I don't want to the art official intelligence in the world being led by china knowing that their vision is about using technology for the perfection of dictatorship very different from how these things will work in american hands. We've got to invest in the future and do it in a way that his ass systematic or more as the chinese. I don't think anybody believes that. This administration's approach on anything right now is systematic. Let me make the final question about the state of your campaign took off like a rocket ship. Obviously obviously like you know these things ebb and flow and i know that but if what do you say to your supporters who were saying okay when are you're gonna take off like a rocket ship again. How much patients should they have. A lotta people are starting to ask okay. Is this a campaign to prepare to run for president another other time it is not i'm in it to win and you don't do something like run for president. At least i don't unless you are aiming to go all the way we we have exceeded every expectation from the beginning of this campaign when we started with literally four people in a room in south bend in january and a mailing lists smaller than most congressional campaigns where we are now is that we have arrived in the top tier of candidates but this is where you really see how much this is a distance run and knowing that so much has decided in literally the last few days of the caucus and primary campaigns. We've got to make sure the stretch from now until then that key six months or so where the unglamorous work is happening organizers on the ground building. The relationships are going to build this campaign. That's our focus even as they're these <hes> day to day ups and downs are are you a there's been a lot of hand wringing over the d._n._c.'s handling of the debate process and the creek and what it takes to me not meet it <hes> how you feel feel about how the dnc has handled this. You know it's mission impossible to set up a debate structure that everybody can agree on and be happy with what i know is that each the debate represents an opportunity for our campaign to present our vision for me to explain why my presidency would be different why my approach on healthcare makes more more sense. Why what i will do with the u._s. In the world as president is the right way forward and we're going to focus on our plan work the plan and accept the rules as they come to mayor people coming to us from freedom new hampshire. I have to say i had not. I thought i had known every single town in new hampshire. I think this is the first time we've had a dateline from freedom hampshire sure anyway people stay safe out here. Yeah stay safe on the trail and thanks for coming on us when we come back. President trump keeps saying the economy is in great shape. The sizes aren't so sure well. Why the pessimists that'd be right this time. That's next welcome back data download time. President trump has been cheerleading the economy at election rallies and press availabilities but new numbers suggest s. that beneath the public optimism the economy is not as strong as mr trump suggest more importantly. It may not be as strong as it ever had been touted this week. We learned that job. Creation numbers reported by the labor department. We're off like way off by about twenty percent. Two million jobs were created between april two thousand eighteen in march twenty nine hundred dollars. That's five hundred thousand fewer jobs than the estimates originally showed in fact those estimates were also off when it comes to our gross domestic product g._d._p. Figures originally showed that the economy grew at three percent in two thousand eighteen but it turns out it was much more tepid two point five percent. That's still decent recent but it's not the three percent cheerleading that president trump promised the estimates twenty nineteen two point three and the forecast for twenty twenty. She is only two point one percent and despite the cheerleading from the president americans aren't feeling all that optimistic consumer sentiment which is about how people feel about the economy dropped six percentage points from july to august the lowest. It's been by the way since january and it mirrors trend. We've been seeing an other important indicators in the last six six months one number that might be particularly concerning for this white house manufacturing declined in august. Why is this important. It's the first time that production has shown a contraction and almost a decade plus. Thousands of jobs have been lost in wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania since february three pretty important states so when it comes to the economy perception is almost as important as the reality if consumers think the economy had trouble they're less likely to spend money which could lead leap to actual trouble for the economy and economic trouble would be bad news for all americans and president trump's reelection argument in twenty twenty as well when we come back three three more democrats dropped out of the presidential race this week and it's still the largest field in history now. A handful of republicans are eyeing longshot fits. The may make the field meals even bigger again. Endgame is next back back now with endgame the democratic debate over electability. I'm gonna pit jill. Biden here versus the democratic field. Here's joe biden on the case for supporting her husband. Your candidate might be federal healthcare than joe is but you've got to look at who's going to win this election election and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say okay. I personally like soto better but your bottom line. It has to be that we have well. It's a tough message to combat but here's how his fellow primary trying. They don't need someone. I'm one to say. Let's just turn back the clock. They don't need someone to say. It's all just too hard. They need a leader who is not afraid. The next leader of our party can't be someone that is a safe bet. I think the biggest risk we take is to try to play jane any well. Okay so you listen to all those candidates and they would all tell you it's early it's still early and and by the turn you don't standards of our elections. It's not actually that early but this time it is because joe biden is the clear front runner and people have questions about him. He's he hasn't uh really made the sale with enough of the party. I think everybody's comfortable with joe biden but they have questions about his. You know about his ability going going forward. He's still sort of leads on the electability question very important to democrats but i think there's a sense that he could falter the and then someone else would have to rise. We don't know who that is at this but joe biden can be right and still be wrong about her husband. That is to say the central question. Shen for democrats is nominating someone who is electable who isn't going to scare off. Those voters who democrat desperately needs is that you essentially those. Does it basically republicans who don't like trump no look. I think it's a lot of voters who have voted for bill. Clinton voted for george. W bush voted for barack obama yeah. I think it's actually a fairly wide sway the people at one of the things i found i mean i think every people like mayor pete and and elizabeth warren and so on are are saying you know we have to be change agents because really there. This is a primary fight against joe biden sort of the incumbent front runner but the democrat democrat who's going to win is going to have to communicate to the american people a sense of sanity balanced that they're not there to change the system but to reform the system. That's is going to be the winning ticket. It just won't necessarily be vice. President by the democrats also can have to excite the democratic base have to bring the democratic base out and there are two schools of thought doc within the democratic party about this one is trump is an emergency and we can't take any risks and we need to go safe and that's the jill biden argument the other that democrats will make privately although perhaps not publicly is that the democratic party could nominate and edible arrangement and it would beat donald trump. That's the kind of thing you're a lot more. People in the democratic could excite that quietly do believe this. This especially really turned this week and this is part of the difference between the elizabeth warren bernie sanders message and the joe biden message biden his arguing. That trump is the problem. Sanders warrants and other progressive candidates are arguing. That trump is a symptom of a larger problem in your party christian for years ago. There was this debate about. Oh you gotta find somebody that can beat hillary clinton and there were quietly. A bunch of republican strategist says no it doesn't matter anybody's going to be able to beat her and it turned out anybody did it. Well and i think the real question here is democrats trying to choose someone to contrast trump. Do you pick someone that fights trump sort of on the same type of terms trump likes to fight on somebody. Who's is going to be bold. Someone who's going to be a fighter or do you try to nominate someone who answers the question. What do americans want who've what to stop thinking about the president every day <hes> and so oh do you as the democratic party you know we've talked about kenny nominate as you put it in edible arrangement and he would beat donald trump. I wonder can democrats nominate somebody who in any other year would not excite the progressive base but because they're running against donald trump and it is a binary choice that progressive base if donald trump is not vulnerable than wire are twenty plus the republican running but i have to say i gotta play this joe biden et. He's using polling. I've never seen a front runner do this before using polling alling to make his case watch we know in our bones. This election is different. The stakes are higher the threat moore series. We have to be donald donald trump and all the polls greed joe. Biden is the strongest democrat to do the job bread. I keep bringing this up again. I just you that you normally don't talk about polls. You don't talk about it. Only the one on the only that matters is the one argument because the moment binding goes south any pool case wait biden which edible it just happens sometimes even an outlier poll but it's inevitable. It's a poor strategy by him. I mean he should be talking about his pulling. He should be talking to you about his experiences. Reliability polity has decency the fact that he's met every world leader the fact that he's known on the world stage a an ad like this. I think is poisoned for everything to keep in mind and you've seen these ballot test match ups that actually the trump versus bernie sanders and trump versus elizabeth warren matchups. Don't actually look that much different in the numbers. We've got a long way to go till next november but it's way too soon i think for anybody to really claim the truly big the edible arrangement trump only get thirty eight and thirty nine against as well right now. I mean it's his numbers his numbers the same against against whatever democrat you put up there. It's the democratic number changes. The democrats are going to be able to argue look. There's going to be an influx of fundraising support as kristen said said the democratic base and they believe energized no matter what just by the fact that trump's in the white house and that number of random democrat versus trump they're gonna say is strong enough for them that <hes> that the biden may not be quick. Gene is a week like this make it that much harder for people to which you know meaning a week like trump's eroticism becomes the oh my god. The risky because is to new mayor small town is that is that how yeah maybe i don't know you know he'd. He certainly comes across very different for donald trump and and i i actually think he's been on the scene as a candidate long enough enough number who've gotten used to it's so younger than on well macron was when he became president of france. It's an excellent point. Which is i think think he's our first millennial world leader anyway. Thank you guys. What a great round table for <hes> this week. That's all we have today. 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Stone trial opens new window on Trump's awareness of Russian help

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Stone trial opens new window on Trump's awareness of Russian help

"The show we had nine stern on. MSNBC thanks for joining us this hour. Happy Wednesday since Donald Trump was elected president in November of two thousand sixteen ecksteen. There have been ten state legislative houses while they're state senates. Our state houses that have flipped in terms of which party controls them. The first one was in Washington state the Senate. They're flipped from Republican controlled the Democratic Control. Then all on one night election night two thousand eighteen a Colorado Senate flipped the main Senate flipped. Minnesota House flipped. The New Hampshire House. Flipped the New Hampshire Senate flipped the Connecticut Senate the Connecticut Senate flipped and the New York Senate all flipped and all of them flipped from Republican control to Democratic Control. And then last night the first call we got from the Associated Press Nine twenty nine eastern time. Was that the Virginia Senate would also flip also from Republican control to Democratic Control. And then after after I got off the air for the first iteration of our show last night The made the call not just for the Virginia Senate but for the Virginia House as well and so what that means means is since Donald Trump has been president in all in eight different states the house or the Senate in the state legislature ten state eight legislative houses overall how flipped party control since trump isn't president and every single one of them has flipped from Republican control to Democratic Mechanic Control and that result last night with the whole Virginia legislature both the House and the Senate flipping from Republican control to Democrat control. All while Democrats also control the governorship in the state of Virginia. Nash is going to have a huge impact in terms of policy and priorities. In the the state of Virginia. You're now going to have democratic controlled government in the state of Virginia after the courts repeatedly struck down electoral maps that the Republicans had drawn on in Virginia when they had control of the legislature after courts repeatedly struck down those Republican drawn maps for being discriminatory at one level or another. What happened last night in Virginia with Democrats taking both Houses of the legislature? It also means that Republicans aren't going to have another shot at trying to rig the electoral maps in their state to ensure that Republicans win even when they get far fewer votes. So Virginia is going to be a big big change. Change in terms of policy and in terms of House districts and in terms of future legislative district that result last night in Virginia was a big deal. A big hairy consequential deal and it was a surprise we were also up late last night. Watching the returns role in in the Kentucky Governor's race were. NBC News Fairly early last evening declared the Democrat in the race. Andy Bashir would be the apparent winner over incumbent. Republican Governor Matt Bevin now as of today as of right now Matt Bevin is still not conceding seating that race. He's demanding that all the votes be re canvassed which is not exactly the same thing as a recount it basically just means they tally the votes again. Nobody's nobody's quite sure if Bevan is going to ultimately demand a recount. And if that's GonNa Happen Nobody's quite sure how can work out in Kentucky. There's a few weird off-ramps they could take through the state legislature or state government and Kentucky. If they want to try to do that but if Bevan insists on not conceding. It's it's uncertain as to how this proceeds with all precincts reporting it. Looks like Andy Bashir. Beat Matt Bevin by more than five thousand votes. You can see the vote. Total little difference at the bottom of your screen there but Bevan's saying he won't step down. He won't concede that he's been beaten and so we shall see. There was another governor's race last night as well which which is in the Great State of Mississippi Republicans are able to celebrate if nothing else from last night. They're able to celebrate the fact that they were able to hold onto the governorship in in Mississippi. Last night it should be noted for context that Mississippi is a state that Donald Trump won by twenty eight points last night. The Republican candidate for governor who president trump campaign for in person. Right up to election day. He was only able to pull off a single digit five point. Victory Victory in that state where trump had just romped to victory not long before so last night's off year elections Are Exciting to Democrats. Even a deep red state like Mississippi where they didn't quite pull it off in terms of the top race in the state. Last night's election results are in energizing rising to Democrats for obvious for obvious reasons and for converse reasons. The same results. I'm sure made today feel pretty overcast. Pretty cloudy from the point of view. Say The Republican Party broadly the Republican controlled Whitehouse looking ahead to two thousand twenty specifically the West Wing in that White House where there sits Republican president. Donald trump staring down the start of his reelection campaign and his simultaneous impeachment in Washington. Today they was just a remarkable day on that front. You will recall that one of president. Trump's personal lawyers Michael Cohen. His longtime personal lawyer is already serving time. I am in federal prison as we speak. I remember the day when we first reported that. Mr Cohen had retained his own lawyer. The president's lawyer had to get a criminal defense lawyer or for himself that seemed like a bad sign at the time. Indeed it turned out to be about science since Michael Cohen is now in prison. I don't know what you'd have to call it though when you have to report that same the thing for a second time but tonight we can report that the president's new personal lawyer the one who isn't in prison tonight He too has had to hire his own criminal defense lawyer. That was the news that we got today about the president's current personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Juliana has hired his own criminal defense lawyer now and of all the lawyers in the world that Rudy Giuliani could have hired turns out. Sure why not what he hired. The Guy who had been Michael Collins Criminal Defense lawyer back in the day despite the fact that that worked out with Michael Cohen ultimately going to prison. It's like there's only ten of these guys in the world right like really. You're Michael. Cohen is the president's personal. or He's Jill. You're hiring his lawyer. First of all you both both had to get criminal defense lawyers. You both decided to get the same one. It's like literally there's only kind of these guys and they're all joint defense agreements and they're all like in each other's indictments admits. Hey person one individual one right. Maybe someday they'll open a wing for them in the federal prison system. The commissary will all be like trump themed Chomsky's the red baseball hats. I'll trade you Rahman for an extra long tie as the president's personal lawyer yet. Another one one of them had to get his own criminal defense lawyer today. We also got big impeachment proceedings in a big developments in the impeachment proceedings against the president on Capitol Hill. First of all a senior. Your State Department witness showed up to testify today. That's notable because the White House and the State Department. I've told everybody that they can't testify. They're not allowed to testify to the impeachment impeachment committees so every time currently serving administration official does show up anyway in defiance of those instructions sort of changes the dynamic a little a bit in terms of those instructions in terms of how everybody else in the administration is going to treat their subpoenas and whether or not that White House instruction they shouldn't testify is seen as binding or more binding than a lawful. A congressional subpoena. The witness who surprise did show up and testify today for more than six Ours is David Hale. The number three official at the US State Department unlike some other officials who testified that the impeachment committees. We didn't receive a prepared opening statement. Mr Hale's remarks so at least compared to other witnesses at this point we don't know much about what he said. We do however vert as of today no quite a bit about the recent and explosive testimony from another senior State Department official ambassador. Bill Taylor He. He was the first witness to lay out in clear. Detail how this whole scheme worked with president and Rudy Giuliani were demanding investigations to be announced by Ukraine investigations. That could help trump and his reelection effort and in order to try to pressure Ukraine into handing those investigations over to announcing those investigations. The core elements of American foreign policy toward that country. Were put on the line. Things like White House meeting for their new president even military assistance. That had been ordered by law by Congress. Bill Taylor is the first one who laid that out in detail and crucially told the impeachment committees that he takes copious contemporaneous notes oats and had documentation to back up a lot of what he said. Well today the Intelligence Committee released more than three hundred pages of testimony from Bill Taylor from his closed door deposition several weeks ago they also simultaneously announced that Bill Taylor will be a witness at the first public hearing hiring of the impeachment proceedings against Donald J trump. That first public hearing is now on the calendar. It's going to be a week from today. Ambassador Bill Taylor and another senior State Department official named George. Kent they're going to be the first public testimony in the impeachment proceedings a week from today and then two days later next Friday there will be a second public impeachment hearing and that one will feature testimony from the US ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich the one who was recalled hauled from that post and sort of inexplicably fired. Essentially it seems to get her out of the way so Rudy Giuliani and president trump could pursue their scheme in Ukraine. The scheme I'm for which the president is now being impeached and presumably for which Mr Giuliani has now obtained his own criminal defense counsel the closed-door depositions are continuing being for now other people have been asked to testify. Some people have been subpoenaed to testify most of those people who have been summoned to give more closed-door depositions the positions. We expect them not to show up. I guess at this point on orders from the White House although with each day you never know who's actually going to turn up. I will tell you one. The witnesses whose asked who has been asked to testify behind closed doors. Who is expected to show up is somebody whose testimony really interested in? And she's going GonNa be testifying tomorrow. It's not a big name not a high profile person but I will tell you why. I'm super interested in her testimony tomorrow. We'll get to that a little later on in tonight show but as they sort of finish up with these closed door witness depositions the first public impeachment hearings are on the calendar. Now so here. We go and remarkably simultaneous to all of that today in federal court in Washington. DC They finished jury reselection and started opening statements in the trial of the president's longtime friend and oldest political adviser a man who has gone to great lengths to make him seem ridiculous for serious news coverage a man named Roger Stone. Now whether or not you are interested in Mr Stone himself and speaking from personal experience variance I can say that interest is hard to sustain on a personal level no offence. I just don't care but the reason he's a Mr Stone is being prosecuted and the way prosecutors are carrying out this case that started today in federal court is like forget Roger Roger Stone I mean yes. His criminal liability here is of interest but forget Roger Stone. The case is about something way bigger than that and we've known owned. That was a possibility when we first saw the charges against stone and the way they laid out the case against him in the indictment but I did not expect it to be like this in court today. Just listen to this we actually we got the transcript that I had no faith we would get it in time for. Tonight's show same day that it happened but just before I came down to the studio and we got on the air tonight We got the transcript of what happened today in court and so I have marked it up. This might be a little rocky because we haven't had it for very long but let me just lay it out here in terms of how the prosecutors are are making this case because you can tell what it's about and you do not have to care about Roger Stone to recognize that this is a big freaking Harry deal all right. Here's how the opening statements arch. The judge. Says all right you can proceed. She says that to the prosecutor Errands Alinsky. And now this is Aaron's alinsky talking. You may recognize his name he was one of the prosecutors who worked on the Muller Investigation. Here's Alinsky he says quote. We are here today because one man obstructed Congress's investigation into Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen eighteen election in a critical investigation of national importance. The defendant Roger Stone repeatedly lied under oath to a Congressional Committee and then tampered with a witness to cover up his tracks. Now you'll hear that in two thousand sixteen the Democratic National Committee which is the organization that runs the Democratic Party in the United States. They announced that their computer system had been hacked by the Russian government. You'll hear that not long after that. A website called wikileaks began to release thousands of emails that had been that were related to the DNC after after wikileaks began releasing these DNC emails. You'll also hear that. The defendant Roger Stone's started bragging that he was in contact with wikileaks and he knew what wikileaks is plans. Were at the time the defendants longtime friend and associate. Donald trump was running for president of the United States Against Hillary Clinton and the defendant Roger Stone thought that those emails would help his friend trump and they would hurt Clinton so you'll hear in August of two thousand sixteen that Mr Stone proclaimed over and over and over again that he was in contact with wikileaks and that he had information about what was coming. And you'll hear that Mr Stone publicly said that he knew this information because he had an intermediary ago between between somebody that he was talking to that was talking to the head of wikileaks. One year later you'll hear that. The United States Congress in particular the House Intelligence Committee was undertaking an investigation into Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election and because of the allegation that Russia was responsible for the hacking of the DNC server and the emails that were subsequently secretly released by wikileaks. The Intelligence Committee focused on wikileaks and they focus on Roger Stone and the Intelligence Committee wanted to know what Information Stone Joan had gotten from wikileaks. How he'd gotten it and who he was talking to on the trump campaign about it now Roger Stone? You'll hear testified before the committee under oath on September twenty six 2017. And you'll hear that when Mr Stone testified he told the committee five categories of lives. It's not that that's the preamble that's how we start. In terms of the five categories of lies stone spacing seven felony counts altogether one of them very serious as witness tampering that carries a twenty year potential prison term of mentioned that just in case any members of the United States senator listening right now. Witness tampering carries a potential twenty year prison term in addition to that facing five counts of lying to Congress and account of obstruction of justice. Each of those comes with five. Potential years of their own for the prosecution goes through At the outset all of the categories of lies that Roger Stone is alleged to have told under oath first categories this second credit or is this the third and the final category of lies that they describe him as telling. Is this quote the last lie Roger Stone told the committee was about the trump campaign. He was asked the committee whether he had ever discussed what he learned from his intermediary with the trump campaign and Roger Stone told them he hadn't you will hear that Roger Stone discussed what he was learning with the senior levels at the trump campaign. Now you might ask. Why didn't Roger Stone? Just tell the truth to the house. Intelligence Committee the evidence in this case will show that stone lied that the Intelligence Committee because the truth looked bad the truth looked bad for the trump campaign and the truth look bad for Rogers. Excuse me and the Truth Truth look bad for Donald Trump. So this is a case about Roger Stone but the prosecution made clear in their opening statement that the reason stone lied in the prosecutors telling the reason he's on trial right now for these felony counts is because he couldn't tell the truth because and I quote the the truth looked bad for Donald Trump. This is a case about the president. I mean it's about Roger Stone but it's about the president and it's it's it's in part while the House has already in the midst of impeachment proceedings against the president. This case that started today in Criminal Court in Washington is about in part weather. President President Trump's sworn written statements about Roger. Stone were true whether his sworn written statements about what he knew about what stone was doing whether he was any part of that. This case in part is about whether the president's written answers might themselves have been illegal false statements back to back Zelinski here quote just after zone just after stone. Got This message about new expected. Dumps of stolen information and about the Democrats. Roger Stone emailed the chairman of the trump campaign. Paul Manafort Paul. Manafort wasn't just the chairman of the trump campaign. He was also a longtime friend of Roger. Stone Stone wrote route two manafort on August third that he had an idea in his words to forgive me save trump's ass and he asked that Manafort call him you'll also also here that Roger Stone emailed the trump campaign CEO Steve Bannon and when stone email bannon. He told Bannon that trump could still win but time was running out out and he said he knew how to win this but quote it a pretty Roger Stone knew how to win this and he was telling that to the trump campaign. CEO But his way in his own words quote eight pretty now at that same time in August. You'll hear Roger Stone was bragging. He was bragging publicly and he was bragging loudly and he was bragging ragging repeatedly that he was in contact with wikileaks that he had a go between that was telling him information about what was coming that he had an intermediary stone regularly updated people on the trump campaign campaign at the senior levels about whatever information he thought he had about wikileaks. Now make no mistake. Roger Stone could easily told the truth to the Intelligence Committee. Stone could have testified that the ad many emails and messages and texts about wikileaks and Julian assange including the ones. You've seen here today. He could have said many messages with Steve Bannon with Paul Manafort Court with Randy Credit Co with Jerome Corsi about Julian. ASSANGE Roger. Stone could've told the truth that he told Corsi to get to assange and get the pending wikileaks emails and that he then told Corsi to have an associated. There's get to Julian assange and Roger Stone. Could've told the House Intelligence Committee the truth that in fact Coursey had responded back to him him and told him that there would be quote dumps coming in October impact plan to be very damaging and stone could've told the committee he had all of this in writing in his email accounts. Johnson is text messages at the time of testimony. Stone could've told the committee the truth that he asked that he asked to pass along a question to Julian assange that he requested information from assange about whether or not he had e mails concerning. Hillary Clinton and Libya and stone could've told the committee that he spoke with Steve Bannon Bannon and others about what he was learning regarding wikileaks. Stone could've truthfully stated that he had hundreds of messages emails texts. That would show the truth of what happened in two thousand sixteen that he had many written records that could help the committee to establish what had actually happened. But Roger Stone didn't do that it didn't even come close instead. He repeatedly lied to the House Intelligence Committee he did it because if he had told the truth as he said before it wasn't pretty it would look bad and so instead he told these lies. Roger Stone did all of this to obstruct an investigation by the House intelligence committee into Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. The committee was undertaking a critical investigation. Asian about an important moment in our nation's history. The House Intelligence Committee was trying to learn the truth about what had happened in the two thousand sixteen election and Roger Stone. He was doing doing his best to stop it. And that is why after you have listened to all the evidence in this case and you have examined the documents and heard the witnesses. We are confident that you will return the only verdict justified on these facts. A verdict of guilty on all counts. Thank you so the president's Being impeached Just in the past few minutes I am advise at the Washington. Post has just reported that the president asked the Attorney General Bill Bar Lar- to hold a press conference saying the president did nothing wrong on the president's phone call to Ukraine for which he's now being impeached the attorney general. Yes that attorney general. Oh Bill Bar. According to The Washington Post tonight reportedly turned the president down and said he would not hold such a press conference also tonight. The president's personal lawyer has just hired his own criminal defense lawyer same defense lawyer. The president's first personal lawyer used to have but he's freed up now because the other guy he used to be. The president's residents personal lawyer is already in prison so his lawyers are available. The public impeachment hearings are going to start next week and and and and and and in a courtroom courtroom in Washington DC. As of today prosecutors are finally litigating for the first time access the obstruction of the Russia investigation. Right but for the first time they are finally litigating what the president knew about Russia's interference to help his campaign and when he knew it they are finally litigating that question while he's already being impeached or something else that totally normal Wednesday right right back. Stay with us. One of the things that has been interesting Actually quite unique about covering this presidency is that this president has just had a terrible time of it in court from the earliest days of his administration. No matter how many judges he appoints and it seems to think that's his way out of it but he just loses case after case after case after case on policy on his tax returns right now he has impeachment to worry about in Congress and multiple criminal cases related to his administration including related to the impeachment playing out in court but just in the past few weeks something truly astounding happened in court even by the standards of this remarkable administration a judge within the last few weeks threatened to send a trump cabinet member to jail. The judge told the trump cabinet secretary quote there have to be some consequences for the violation. Violate Order Sixteen Thousand Times. The judge continued quote. I'm not sending anyone to jail yet but it's good to know I have that ability ability somehow. I do not think that Education Secretary Betsy Devos envisioned herself wearing polyester jumpsuit and eating Bologna sandwiches when she signed up to Education Secretary but she made that federal judge mad enough to threaten. Hit Mad enough to to eventually hold Secretary Betsy Devos in contempt of court and and to find her a one hundred thousand dollars for her going ahead with a policy that the court had ordered her department to stop. We have some context for you tonight on how it is that. A trump cabinet member got that close to jail Stories about one of the country's largest chains of for profit colleges. What's that chain of was basically the bottom line at a total freaking scam? They recruited largely poor and minority applicants by lying about how successful sessile their programs were and the kinds of job placements their graduates would get then they sent those recruits to get student loans from the Federal Government Colleges Colleges ultimately benefited from that right the government lens that money to the students the students then pay it to that scam for profit college so the colleges collect collect all the money. The graduates are left with worthless degrees and a big student. Loan debt to pay back to the government. Some students never even got. The degree agree because the colleges went bankrupt in two thousand fifteen and shut their doors on one day's notice. The Obama Administration tried to do something to help those scam. MM students the Obama Education Department said to those students. Listen those colleges. Those fate colleges were so bad. We are not going to make this problem worse for. We're going to forgive your student. Loan debt if you've got duped. One of those schools got duped by one of those schools. You can petition the federal government for relief from the debt that you got scammed into because that money shouldn't go to those schools and you shouldn't be on the hook for it even though it did. That was how the Obama Administration handled this crisis Then came the trump administration and a new education secretary. Betsy Devos she had a very different idea and so her top lawyer at the Education Department came up with a memo describing. What would be the policy change on this matter under the trump administration and we have obtained that memo here tonight? This is the memo. It's from December twenty seventeen and what it says basically is actually some of these scammed for profit. College students should should pay back their loans. They should be on the hook for that money. The idea as laid out in this memo is that the students must have gotten some benefit from these scam. Am Schools if the department could show that. These people ended up working in jobs that paid them more than if they had not gone to the school on on average looking at it. Statistically in this memo the department claimed to have devised devised a formula for measuring just that well how did that magic formula. They came up with workout. One former student claimed she finished course of study at this scam for profit college. She never got her diploma because the company donate suddenly without warning went bankrupt when she nevertheless tried to get a job in her field. She discovered that the college had not actually given her the required training to get a job in her her field at all. But the trump education department under betsy devos through its magic formula determined that that eligible student was only eligible that that student was eligible to the only have twenty percent of her loan forgiven eighty percent of her education. According to their new formula had actually been quite useful she got neither a diploma nor the training necessary to get a job in her field. They still wanted eighty percent of the money and even without those painful consequences for the students. Even I mean setting aside how this worked out in practice. A federal judge looked at this new policy of the trump administration and declared it illegal determined that this whole formula they had come up with had serious problems for one and dependent on the government taking private information about these students in a the way that the judge said was a violation of the law and so the judge ordered Betsy Devos and education department to stop collecting money from these students and and to stop using that illegal formula and Betsy Devos and her education department ignored the judge's order. It didn't exactly ignore it but they didn't and stop collecting money from the students. Thousands of students were told they still needed to make payments on those loans from the scam colleges and and their credit scores got dinged and their paychecks got garnished and their refunds got their tax refunds got seized this department of Education occasion policy the department determination to keep going with the policy despite the court order striking it down. I mean it materially hurt these Israel Americans who had already been injured right. This damage was painful. It was personal and they did it. Thousands of times thousands of people hurt after the court told the education department and Betsy Devos to stop doing this this illegal policy that they had devised. And that's why. The judge fined the Education Secretary. One one hundred thousand dollars and threatened to put her in jail the hundred thousand dollars. The judge said should go toward trying to ameliorate the harm done to these former students by devos and by the department violating the judge's order. Well this memo laying out this policy under the trump education department this memo that we have obtained tonight the thing that lays out the new formula for collecting money from these scammed students. This policy that got smacked down by judge who then held the department and its cabinet secretary in contempt. This memo came from the guy who at the time was the top lawyer at the education department has a name. His name is Steven Menashe. She he's no longer at the education department. He now works at the White House and President Trump has nominated him for a lifetime. Seat on a federal appeals court just one level below the United States Supreme Court Senate. Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote on his nomination tomorrow morning. But here's the thing Mr Menashe's nomination nation appears already to be in trouble. If they do vote on tomorrow that will be the third effort. They've made to try to call a vote on his nomination. Keeps getting kicked keeps getting rolled over to date after new date after new date because he is one of Donald Trump's most controversial nominees which is saying something given the roster of people who Donald Trump has tried to turn into judges. We've talked about Mr Nash. Before on the show and the paper trail left of his own writing for example on an Italian prime ministers proclamation of the superiority of Western civilization over Islam. Mr Menagerie says quote Mr Police Colonel Mr Berlusconi did nothing other than state. The obvious use the obvious inferiority of Islam he also wrote about how offensive it was to him. That the Matthew Shepard murder got so much attention. That definitely didn't I need as much attention as it got. He also pined on the movement against Campus Rape Against Rape and sexual assault on college. Campuses said campus guy. No centrists throwing around these accusations. But there's no similar leeway for men and then there's of course his law review article entitled titled Ethno-nationalism and Liberal Democracy and which he argues quote the solidarity underlying Democratic Policies rests in large part on ethnic identification Shen. Surely it does not serve the cause of liberal democracy to ignore this reality article goes on to argue that ethnically heterogeneous societies society's ethnically diverse societies. have less good stuff in the when it comes to being a good democracy a working party ethnic heterogeneity it's not ideal. Just that stuff alone has been dragging behind. The bumper of the Stephen Menagerie judicial shall nomination like a just Mary decoration made of angles and millstones right. He has expressed regret for some of his writings. But it's all stuck to him in part because because there's so much of it. Senate Judiciary Committee has been voting other very very very right. Wing judicial nominees right on through. But they have been holding up Stephen Menagerie and now they have this new memo to consider this education policy from Stephen the nasty that proved disastrous for students and embarrassing and expensive and potentially incarcerating cursory eating for our nation's secretary of Education. We reached out to the White House with some questions for Mister menagerie about this memo. We haven't heard anything back from them. I'm telling you I'm not taking taking it personally because they also apparently did not answer questions tonight from the New York Times which as of this evening is also reporting this story tonight an excellent piece in the New York Times tonight from Erica Green. Who's also obtained this memo? Just read you the lead. Erica Greene story on this tonight. In The New York Times quote a judicial nominees slated for a Senate confirmation vote on Thursday meaning tomorrow helped devise an illegal education department effort to deny debt. Relief to thousands of students cheated by their for profit colleges. Well put Yeah He. He devised this illegal effort. It resulted among other things and not only people illegally having their wages garnished and their tax returned seized in their credit. Scores dinged and all the rest of that people who absolutely should not have been subjected to that thousands of people it also resulted in the secretary of that agency being threatened with jail time and hit with one hundred thousand dollar fine so naturally. That's the guy they're putting up for a lifetime. Federal appointment as judge just one level below the Supreme Court and on top of everything else. That's going on right now Senate. Judiciary Committee is scheduled for now to be voting on Stephen Menashe's nomination for a lifetime appointment to the Federal Bench Tomorrow Ten am eastern. We'll see we'll keep you posted ambassador. Bill Taylor the top American Arken diplomat in Ukraine decades diplomatic experience under presidents of both parties when he was called to testify before the impeachment proceedings. Recently we knew shortly shortly after he showed up when we got his opening statement. We knew he would confirm that. Yes president trump really did block military aid to Ukraine to get that country to gin gene up some dirt on his domestic political rivals that that quid pro quo plot line is very simple. Very consistent across all the testimony from all the witnesses so far Taylor is the the one who I laid it out more clearly than anybody else. Because that plotline is simple and direct now been reiterated by all of the other witnesses milt. We ought to be honest. You don't necessarily need all the details that we got from the three hundred and twenty four pages. Long transcript of Bill. Taylor's testimony that the impeachment committees released today. But even if you don't need it you might want some of these details anyway. For example there is this moment when ambassador Taylor is describing the National Security Council having to convene a a whole bunch of interagency meetings to try to figure out why the military aid to Ukraine is being held up Taylor says in his testimony that literally everyone was in agreement that that military aid should be released without delay the defense secretary. CIA Director National Security Adviser. Everybody wants the release so they're all scheduling -jelling meetings trying to get the president to release this stuff trying to figure it out but it turned out they were having trouble they were having trouble scheduling a meeting with the president to talk about this matter for a very specific reason. Taylor says quote I think this was also about the time of the Greenland question about purchasing greenland which took up a lot of energy in the National Security Council chairman. Adam Schiff okay. That's disturbing for a whole different reason. The president is trying to shake out a foreign leader for dirt on his political opponents. He's holding up military aid to try to force them to do it and his National Security Council can't find the time to get him to stop doing that because they're all too busy dealing with his stated efforts to buy a whole different country to buy it. That's that's a good day at the trump White House so there's that but then there's also the human reaction from these witnesses who again again are mostly longtime public. Servants and experts in their field at one. Point is testimony New York Congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney Asks Ambassador Bill Taylor quote. What was your emotional reaction to these events until against a pretty stunning response? He says quote I think Ukraine is important objectively to the United States. The emotional ocean piece is based on my time in Ukraine. Two thousand six two thousand nine. When traveling around the country I got to know Ukrainians and their frustrations difficulties in those kinds of things and then coming back and seeing it now where they have the opportunity they got a young president young Prime Minister Young Parliament? The Prime Minister's thirty five years old. This new government has appealed to young people who we're so idealistic. So pro-west so pro-united states pro Europe that I feel an emotional attachment bond connection to this country in these people. I cared about this country. I didn't WanNa see it screwed up. I wanted it to. I wanted to see it succeed Congressman Patrick Baloney says quote. And he didn't WanNa see it screwed up by some political agenda coming from Washington. Is that fair to say Bester. Taylor says well what I didn't want to do have. US assistance to Ukraine blocked or suspended for no good reason that I could see and there are some bad reasons that I didn't want to see that blocked Taylor is going to be the first testament I witness in the public testimony. That has just been announced the impeachment proceedings for one week from today congressman. Sean Patrick Colonie joins US next. So today we got more than three hundred pages of testimony. Transcript from the top diplomat in Ukraine. Bill Taylor this is from his deposition in the impeachment proceedings deposition in which he laid out the story that has been confirmed now by witness after witness that the president held up military Ukraine Ukraine to try to get that country to dirt on President Trump's political opponents with everything else that has been turned up over the course of these impeachment proceedings that remains the core of what is happening here joining us. Now is New York Congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney is a member of the Intelligence Committee. Sir thanks for being here. It's nice to see you. I'm pleasure so public airing start a week from today How should we prepare for that as people who are going to be watching this to try to figure out what's happening overall with this story and what's happening in terms of the president's called culpability? Well well I think the transcripts are a great place to start. I know it's there long and they can be dense but there's a very important story there. It's also very sad story. So story about failure at the highest levels herbals American political leadership. It's about straight about advancing shabby political and financial interests over our national security. If you actually care about the American government if you spend your youth thinking that we were capable of great things. It's heartbreaking to read the conduct the American President engaged in. But it's important and ambassador faster. Taylor lays it out very clearly in terms of the remaining closed-door depositions. I know that there was one today where it State Department official David Hale actually showed Yup. I know tomorrow you're expecting to hear testimony from a person who worked in the vice. President's office is the first time as far as I know that a vice presidential santeuil adjacent person will be speaking. There was also a decision today to drop a subpoena for an official who had gone to court to try. Try to have judge decide whether or not he should obey the subpoena. Can you tell us anything about that decision. Well in the last case the Kupperman Subpoena as I understand it. The point is that we don't WanNa do anything that would advance a strategy to delay through litigation when in the mcgann case separate case the judge is going to ruin rural very quickly on the same question about whether there is some blanket never heard of before wall-to-wall immunity from the Authority of Congress to do oversight on behalf of Vichy officials like this it's a it's a frivolous claim. It's going to be disposed of earlier and a as I understand it. That's the point behind withdrawing that subpoenaed to essentially take away Mr Dilatory legal arguments and have them advance more quickly through the mcgann case in terms of the dramatic revision to his earlier testimony that we saw from embassador sun plan yesterday. It was a remarkable document. Saying I know refreshed. I've had my recollection refreshed. I now recall. And basically what he discloses is that on the sidelines of meeting. That vice president pence had With the Ukrainian president where Vice President Pence said. You're not getting your military aid unless you give us these corruption actions that we want corruption related actions that we want Saunas now admitting the on the sidelines of that meeting he made crystal clear to the Ukrainian government. What we mean gene is? You're not getting your military aid unless you announce those investigations now tomorrow. Somebody from works in the vice president's office is going to be testifying is vice president pence one of the people who carried out this game for president trump will ask that question of of some of the witnesses. I'm interested in that. He did meet with the president of Ukraine in Warsaw on September number. I it is on the sidelines of that meeting. That ambassador Sunlen delivered the explicit quid pro quo to the key aid of Ukrainian president. Mr Euromac said you're not getting anything. The White House meeting not this desperately needed security assistance until you issue an explicit statement which you've been negotiating Giuliani saying Barista twenty sixteen elections nations though Biden's are the heart of this thing and Sunland forgot that until twenty four hours ago but he has an important piece of this puzzle. And it's good that he he is aligning his testimony with what has been corroborated by other witnesses and documents. It's important piece of the puzzle and the vice president's role is still a question mark on this. Is it possible. The vice president will be called to give testimony himself. You know. I'm not prepared to say that. At this point I would need to have a lot more evidence of of what he did on this and I would wanNA lose focus on the president. which is the central issue? What did the United States do? Why did he do it? And you know the evidence is overwhelming that this was a clear abuse of power for the worst possible reason. And I'd WanNa stay focused on that at least for now. I do think it's important. Everybody involved in this answer for their actions. New York Congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney. It's GonNa be a very busy week leading to a very busy day a week from today when those first public hearings happened happened. Thank you for being here. Thank you all right. We'll stay with footage from September first. Twenty nineteen when vice is president. Mike Pence went overseas met with Ukrainian. President what I was. Just talking with congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney about who else was in that room. We've got that footage and that answer which will tell you about the most interesting thing that's going to happen in tomorrow's news next stay with us. This is September Twenty Nineteen Vice President Mike Pence in Europe Meeting with the Ukrainian president at this meeting. We believe that Vice President Pence told the Ukrainian president right yeah the. US government was holding up their military aid unless Ukraine took some sort of action on corruption. Which means in the context of this impeachment inquiry the vice president pence is the one who personally delivered the? You're not getting your military a message face to face in that room. Look at who else was in that room at that time. In there's Gordon Sunland. US Ambassador to the U Who now admits? After revising his testimony that yes even on the various sidelines sidelines of that meeting he was personally reinforcing to the Ukrainians. No you're not getting your military aid unless you announce these investigations but if you keep panning the person in the second row there we believe is also newly important to the story because that is State Department veteran who was detailed Vice President Pence's office she surprisingly has just agreed to testify tomorrow. 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High School Of Rock - CJ's First Bands

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High School Of Rock - CJ's First Bands

"The chair co network on Westwood One. Tall. Recall. Ricco? All right. Welcome talk is Jericho. It's the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And thanks today's sponsors and hammers new cloud. Control cat litter. DDP Oga, indeed dot com. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Reilly auto parts and today, it's a return to the rock with fuzzy high school bands school rock high school, confidential rich ward, Frank Ray, Billy grey, sit down talk music, but this time it's all about or high school bands vase is not the first band for any of us. And you hear how we all got started the first cover songs, we learned the first gigs. We played the first real songs. We wrote some of the ridiculous and short ler short-lived band names that we had and then you can hear how all that turned into Fosse and then our spring tour coincidentally starts in may fifteenth in Greenville, South Carolina at the firmament may sixteenth, Greensboro, North Carolina at cone, denim Nita. Strauss opens both those shows may seventeenth for. Kenya? Beach at the lunatic luau may eighteen that the RBQ and candidate jersey at the BBC pavilion, July twelfth Mansfield, Ohio at incarceration, and then this fall, we're headed out west and least in the west as we built a tour around or opening slot at the stadium show back of California stadium in Los Angeles supporting our maiden to fourteenth, but we'll be on the road starting September fifth in Denver, Colorado springs grand junction, Colorado, Salt Lake City. Crystal bay, Nevada San Francisco, Sacramento, Las Vegas, San Diego Tempe, Los Angeles, Tucson, El Paso, Dallas Houston, had his Burg Mississippi, and we finished up timber. Twenty eighth in Atlanta, Georgia at the masquerade. All ticket info at fuzzy rock dot com. You can also buy tickets to our exclusive special amazing VIP mean greet. We do it before each show. One of the best in the business. We do a mini set of originals and covers you take pictures. Take requests sign autographs kiss. Babies and shake hands. Come hang with Fauzi right now at fuzzy rock dot com for all to get in Viet information, and thanks to all the great sponsors here on talk is Jericho that makes us possible here, including O'Reilly autoparts trust the friendly knowledgeable parts professionals at O'Reilly auto parts are professionals know what it takes to get the job done. Right, professional technicians. Have counted on O'Reilly auto parts for years come see for yourself. O'reilly auto parts, better parts, better prices every day. All right. So here we are in Berlin on a day off big fuzzy tour. Everything's been going great. And the other day, we're having a conversation and Frank our drummer came up with the idea of doing a show about our high school bands. You said it was my first good idea in twenty years. So the the core members of fuzzy Frank rich and Billy and myself. And I think that's a pretty good idea. And I guess maybe just start with you Frank. How did you? When did you start playing drums? I started playing drums when I was ten I actually started off on guitar oddly enough. Really? Yeah. And we see how well that went and just like Alex van Halen. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to get tar, and I was given a guitar, and I started taking lessons, and it just I never took to it. It just didn't feel natural. I mean, like holding it and posing in the mirror felt perfectly natural, you know, but actually trying to play it. And I I was taking lessons with this guy. Who is this old man who, you know, probably, you know, was playing for bebop band in the forties or something. And I just remember he would hold my fingers on the on the strings. They said you got to build up callous. On your fingers. See, and and he had a glass I by the way and spokes bunnies. Nemeses? And he said you have to you know, I would like he would show me how to finger a cord, and he's like you gotta press really hard on the string. So you'll get calluses like this. And he would take his thumb and like press on my finger like super hard on the front board. I'm like how. And I'm like, this is supposed to be fun. You know, I hated my teacher. So I gave that up. And so then I decided I don't I don't wanna be tar player. I wanna be a drummer. And and my mom said, well, we bought you guitar. You didn't really like it. So let's get you a drum and see how you do with that. And she just bought me like a little snare drum in on a stand with a pair of sticks. And soon as I had the sticks in my hand. I just wouldn't stop, you know, it's like, okay. I guess he liked the drums and so hold on medium. Exactly. So okay. So I'll I'll just kind of threw myself and there so when I was in. Junior high school actually before that I think elementary school. Wow. That's early early. I want I decided I wanted to be a tar player because I was a big fan of music is Beatles, and whatever. So there's a place at the end of the street in wanna pay cocaine's music. And when I went into cans music that guy also had a glass is a Scottish guy he'll dues the money lifting lesson, whatever he would say, but he had one weird I going left. Remember there is a big poster of Jerry, Mercer of April wine on the wall at cans music. I don't know why they go and so- Brad was my guitar teacher. And Brad was this kind of a weird guy kind of Malcolm young hair, and he wore red long Johns as pants, and I would always have to learn like Irish washerwoman, which is Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, and I learned that one week, and he's like, hey, man, this sucks. Why don't you like? You would learn something like what do you wanna learn like like like def Leppard? He goes. Okay. Then he he charted photograph for me. And he charted start me up by the stones. Because he went to Minneapolis to see the stones in eighty one the tattoo you tour, and then he charted paranoid. And I remember I was like, you know, I just found out like, you know, the song doesn't even have the title paranoid in it. And he's like, we expect it's going to be paranoid paranoid paranoid. So I later gave up the guitar and made the very smart move to take up the tuba in grade seven when you can take tar band, and I went into the two I kinda got straight from Iraq and routes, but little known fact, two very popular at the chicks. Along with the red long Jones and one last thing. So this guy Brad he was in the band in Winnipeg called the Crash Test Dummies move forward wall teen years later. Is that guy? Brad Roberts was my old guitar teacher. Oh, she was huge. He was so big that we're all yankovic even did a parody of his song. That's when you know, you you have made it the caveat of it is I played a celebrity hockey game in two thousand the garden, and he was singing the national anthem enough to say, Chris Jericho WBZ my Qatar teacher. He just totally shunned me just walked away. Just one just walked away. L? Civilian playing guitar. I started I played ice hockey up until the point of about eleven and always liked kiss. You know, even even like during kindergarten and all those grades up until you know, I started playing guitar anyway, I got to tell me that you're hockey coach had a glass eye. After I slapped a slap shot at. So I I had a a babysitter who son played guitar. He had an aria pro to les Paul copy with a Peavey stack. I saw him play in longtime by Boston Don onto onto get to die down. And I really got into my dad had a guitar in a closet all the time as a kid. So Brock broke out the guitar asthma. Mom, could take lessons and the guy started teaching me. And I he recommended a teacher in Charlotte who was Tim Murray. And he told me stairway to heaven. That was my first all horrid saw doodoo the through the beginning. He picked that song because it had a lot of elements that had all the finger picking stuff it had bar chords. And then he taught me the solo so right off the bat right off the bat. Wow. And he would do like Franklin. He would he would press my fingers on the strings. He would do all. That. And that's why you were killer when you were young really mackerel. And and by the time, you know, by the time I finished that solo and the song he always look forward to go into lessons to this guy. Right. So because it had to be fun. It was. Right. You know, he was doing good you doing. Let's go to this part. Let's go to this part so helps with confidence. Right. So, you know, by the time, I learned the song my favorite teacher says, oh, well, I'm going to New York. I'm going to be moving to New York. But there's gonna be another teacher teaching you. And he's going to be really good. And you know, you're going to enjoy it. And you know, it's gonna be great. So the next teacher comes in. And he wants to teach me like Mary had a little lamb type stuff, and I'm just kind of disinterested in it. So I would bring him van Halen songs, and he would be just flustered with it. And be like, oh, well, this is flashy. This is very flashy up Brian spirit of the radio. Oh, well, you need a wa wa pedal to do finally started kind of learning on my own but by slowing tape down back in the day and moved on from there you slow the deep down. My dad had a little mini cassette player and it had a button that would slow it down the half speed. Oh. And I would record the off of another cassette player with that slow it down on the mini cassette player and learn. Just just really slow notes. But learn how to play the rich wars go tell us how he got started on guitar, but I want to tell you why my three cats Mr. mittens Snickers and indie are loving our new house while at least Snickers in India are misdemeanors having a tantrum not happy not really using the litterbox as much as he should. And I wish he would because I'm sure he would love their new kitty litter as much as Snickers and indie do it's arm and hammer's new cloud control cat litter. Everyone in my family has to clean the litter boxes myself included, and it's not the best time to to sit at least. But thanks to arm and hammer is new cloud control litter. None of us are complaining about cleaning, the litter boxes, and that's because there's no cloud of nasties when we scoop Armand hammer's, cloud control. Litter is one hundred percent dust free free of heavy perfumes also helps reduce airborne dander from scooping. So what happens in the litterbox stays in the litterbox, new, cloud, control cat litter by arm and hammer more power to. You. Rishon guitar I live in kind of a hip downtown area. This was back when being living in downtown met you lived in crappy rundown homes like it was everyone was moving to the suburbs in the early eighties. That was the trend so all the homes going to downtown. We're kind of where the poor people live, which is where the ward residents hailed from. And I remember one day I was walking to the park where me and my friends kind of meat to play soccer throw frisbee or whatever. And I heard someone playing guitar really loud flake from the sidewalk, and I just wandered up to this house and the door was open, and I kinda peaked in and I have just a twelve year old kid, and I will never forget the this guy who looked like he was probably in like could have been fog hat. You know, big mustache soup. Longhairs stone or guy, you know. And and his name was buoyed Albritton. I will never forget it. I I know man, he had a wall of amplifiers and a bunch of guitars. And I just it was the first time I've been in love rock music loved all, you know. I was listening to all the hard rock and heavy metal that I could consume based on what was on the radio, and what my friends are into. But I always thought that was like you could never do it. I finally saw somebody who was a regular guy. He went to work every day on a construction site and he played guitar, and he sounded great and it was allowed. It was amazing. That was when it first kind of click that whole will maybe I could play guitar too. Because if Boyd Albritton can play guitar. Hi lives in my neighborhood. Because I thought it was only like it's like being an astronaut maybe an astronaut I'm after move to Houston or something like, you know, like go to the moon. So a friend of mine in the neighborhood, and I went in together, and we bought a guitar, so we could share it. So we would get on an alternate day. So I would get it what Monday Wednesday Fridays child and who divorced correct. Because independently we couldn't afford a guitar. And then eventually my dad bought me, a one thousand nine hundred sixty six vendor Mustang from pawnshop, which seems cool now but back then in nineteen seventy nine the sixty six Mustang. It looked like a ill. It's like a bow. The neck was so warped on it. But we would just do what everybody did that. I knew which was that. You would listen to the records, and you try to figure it out you just like, and you'd have a circle of friends that we helped a support group. Hey, do you not play looks than kill and do you know, how to play paranoid, and everyone kind of share what they kind of learned and a great the great tie between Billy gray and myself how we kind of knew each other. There was a family called the Gil brother and the Gill brothers were amazing musicians. Yes. And I was friends with the gills. And so was Billy. But Billy United know each other. But we know both new the gills the gills could play rush covers they were bad ass. They were the Ilham illegitimate sons or brothers of rush back. Yes. They were. They were a three piece family band, Emily bass guitar. Awesome. Surfeit and they were bad ass. And I learned a lot from them. I would go over and Kevin Gill was guitar player. And I would learn from him. Then I learned from Sean Gilly who we both knew I'll give all to reliable music Charlotte, which is where all the musicians hung out. And try to get the guys who worked at the music or you try to watch them and what they learned and I took lessons like Elvis talking. I don't know that any of that really help that much other than some basic fundamentals like you would if you went to coach baseball or something you're actually playing it. Like, you know, none of us. You know, Paul McCartney on down a really musicians that can read charts and stuff like that. And that's one thing that always kind of like kind of is boring guitar lessons, which is why I think I went to tuba because I was bored. It's like playing Irish washerwoman all the time. But there was there was a high school or junior high school bowel the bands and band that played was called elixir frenzy, which is still cool name for nineteen eighty five and a member of the guitar player. His name was Garth quals Nita which. I still don't know how to spell that. And I always tried because just thought what a cool name, and and the other guy in the band begin the storm. There's another great player called Rod McCall Vic who I think now is like a classical guy. But he was like the Randy rose. Both those guys are great and one of their bands. I'll say it was elixir frenzy. They played flying high again, and they had candles like a condo Labra on stage at the high school junior high school talent show. And that's when I was like, oh my God. That's two socks. Like, I wanna I wanna I wanna be like, you licks her friends. You remember what raid you would been in? What year it was just crossing over into grade eight I believe so seven is eighty three so probably nine hundred eighty three so fly game was like the new Ozzy record. Yeah. Time because it was before the moon came. That's so crazy that you say that because that was one of my next big epiphanies as well as the high school battle the band's I was in seventh grade or maybe it was a talent show. I don't remember what it was something like. Yes. But the there was a group of ninth graders in my junior high was in seventh and they play jesse's girl. And I just remember thinking looking at the these who were not that much older than me said guys that you knew in a band was like how is this? They're playing songs, right? Who is your guy? Frank. Did you see any band in high school or anything that made you decide to want to start being in a band? Well, I mean, no I wanted to be in a band. You know, like the first time I saw kiss on TV. I wanted to ban, you know. And it's actually right, right. Yes. Right. The didn't seem though to you. So did it seem that like for me? It seemed like it was impossible. Like, yeah. I see kiss there in a band. That's not. I mean, if it's still know them, right? As I guess for be like like like to go to let's say, I don't know Dallas. I don't know where Dallas is. I know nothing else. But once there's Calgary wrestling, I know how to get to Calgary. Right. I can go there and be arrested all the junior high band it clicked because I can do. Moment. No, I didn't really because I didn't have that kind of sense of impossibility. I always I was always like, you know, where do I sign up, you know, like, I thought it's entirely possible. And I actually thought it was like my destiny, you know. And and so one of those parents like you could do anything you want Yuriko, and I just got a cigarette butts flick. No. But I did. I was definitely I was I guess I probably got more encouragement from from my parents, or my mom, but no, I just never had that sense. It was just like. Yeah. As soon as I started playing drums just just batting beating around on snare drum. I was like this is for me, and I was never in a band in high school, and this is gonna sound really era gate. I don't mean it this way, but I could net. First of all, I didn't go to a real. I didn't really go to like a musicians high school. You know? So there weren't a lot of musicians that I knew of in highschool. You know, I mean, a lot of people liked music and everything, but not a lot of people played in the only people who played weren't either very good or very serious about it. They just wanted to fool around, you know, and and I was dead serious, man. It was like I gotta be famous by the time eighteen I'm serious about this. It's like I gotta find guys who want to do this. And so I didn't actually I wasn't actually in a band until I was out of high school. I the the first time I ever remember playing with another MU. -sition though, there was a guy who lived not far down the street from me when I was probably about twelve maybe eleven or twelve and I've been playing drums for like a year or year and a half that found out played guitar, and, but he played kind of you know, he plays a big hollow body, you know, and and played kind of jangle league ITAR, you know, but I didn't care. It was like can I jam with you, you know, and he let me actually bring my drums over to his house and set up like in his living room, or whatever, and we actually jammed, and I think he played like the rift for sweet home, Alabama or something, you know, the buck couple and Franklin. I just started going just going cra- probably drove the poor guy nuts because I probably played entirely to fast and busy and everything. But it was the first time I actually like made music, you know, like with another person. But yeah, like my first actual ban that was like a guitar player. A base player in a singer, whatever wasn't until actually I was out out of high school. I couldn't find anybody in high school that was worth playing with have what you you've seen Evan's you're in high school. That means you're did it was actually junior high school when I was coming out of elements school going into junior high and all my friends were older they were out in junior high school, and then they had already told these guys they were Brian and Patrick Butler. They had a band called US metal. I remember the day. Yeah. And so, you know, going into junior high school there, you you play guitar too. You know, you will let you come over. And we'll let you come over. And check us. Out practicing. So I went over and saw them play. And they were playing crazy train and stuff like that. And you know, one thing led to another and I played my eighth grade talent show we played we were called disciples of the watch. And we had no vocalist that's overeat testament. And we still, but we still get out there. We played looks that kill and aint talking about love by van Halen. And like, I said no singer, but you know, girls were screaming, and it was you know, my role show. Yeah. No singer. Well, that's how it started. And I had that same thing. I got a great story to tell you as a singer after. But so as as restored to morph into a band, so when I saw elixir frenzy, I don't know where my dad grew up with this guy called alley Hof, and they were friends throughout childhood. So we were always family friends. There's two brothers Kevin off and Ryan off and Kevin one days like I play guitar. And I remember he had this red. Stir Stratocaster rip off for like three years. He never got him new guitar, but he was one of those guys that like like you Billy at thirteen or fourteen years old could play like crazy train, but didn't really wanna play it. He was always he was a maiden guy Metallica, and he was into all these obscure metal vans. So I remember he came over one day. And I my cousin was this guy called Ray Gilbey, and he had autograph from Paul Stanley. He married my cousin. It was in a frame. It said to Ray rock on Paul Stanley with a star. And I thought Ray Gilbey is short fat, bald guy if you're listening, right? You know, you are not a thought Ray was the coolest guy, and he had a Paul McCartney Hoffner rip off Paul McCartney's violin bass with the strings for so long. They were hanging off the side and asked if I could borrow it to start messing around and Kevin off came over. I said you I play baseball. I play guitar. And so he taught me a song and the first I ever made music to with another musician, which coincidentally I didn't even think about it is a song by a band called trouble called revelation life or death, which I think I might be the only person on the planet. Who's first song was obscured? Trouble song with five or six temple changes. Which is why I'm so weird that way, and then the other song we played was Peter Gunn theme. Didn't didn't didn't down. But I remember trouble and no singer bound bound bound bound bound. Bam bound bound that's jar. Now. Here's my part. Bill Baugh, Paul? And then this let's go bowling a little little, and dude, I listen to that cassette about one hundred times that was the beginning of like, the rock and roll playing with somebody that that that was one of the things when we were talking before that was what made me think of this like I wanted to ask everybody. What was the first song you ever played as part of a ban? Like, you know, even though you're band didn't have singer my first band didn't have a singer the first gig. We did but still it was guitar bass and drums and we played songs. So that was your you didn't have drums. It's just the making music with another human being first one was guitar and bass only trouble revelation life or death, and what was yours Bill disciples of the watch. No. But what was the first song you guys ever played like as a performance on the seculow and aint talking about love as a performance that wasn't a performance for us. Those two guys in the baseball rehearsed those before we get after after school every day, I tried out for a band, a new group of guys. Is that I heard needed to get tar player, and I tried out for the band, and they said, yeah. We need a singer. May can do you know the lyrics to the songs like I literally the first band ever tried out for guitar. I didn't get the job. But they said I knew the lyrics to view these songs. So I'd be was the singer for a heavy metal band at a pool party. My seventh grade year going into the eighth grade. But it was a great moment of realization that did you have a name. I don't remember. Yeah. It was it's one of those things it wasn't my band was group of dudes play because it was a pool party one of those pickup things, but I really started practicing at that point because I didn't get the gigging. You know, the first rejection was it was rough. And so I really started practicing in. Yeah. But it was I mean, I sang really terribly I'm sure all the classics made in priest it. Yeah. But see that's the thing is that you started like Frank you said you didn't have this. But once me and a off started playing then you find out there's other guys in. School that play. And you know, some guys I remember there was a guy called Dale Martin knock he had like this wicked kit, and I don't know if he plays. They're not still. But at the time he was the guy because the other doubles like the kit with the most drums matter how good the it was the most drums of the same brand and the same color faster. He got like a yellow one one red one when Greenwood double kick drum Tama set. And that was my first official ban was called fatal accident, which was spelled of course, of course of core. D N T accidents. Is it fatal accident? No. It's fatal accident. Well, that's why don't you do X ADHD? Visit fatal accident. And of course, the logo with the big, you know, the hangman's. But you've always been that way. Though. It's always about connecting like like word play in imagery and stuff. So that's carried all that. Was that was in eighty five because I remember like fatal accident. This is fatal accident every gig. Did you ever get one gig at a party, and that might be my official versus okay? Tell me the song. But it was hold on like that movie. That thing you do that thing you do whether they called the wonders spelled o n e sober. Over eaters eaters, fatal accident accidents accident. So what I remember playing his two things. I remember we played heaven's on fire. 'cause I still know that on base Bom Bom Bom Bom Bom. It's a hard one bomb bomb. Yeah. And then the other one I don't know why we were doing this. And I didn't know the song. But I tried to learn it was before the dawn by Judas priest and we had this guy called David birds singing, and he choked there's five people at the party, maybe ten it wasn't like a big movie party and people. We're laughing. So we kicked him out of the band during the gig. And they're like. Straw. Like who who's going to say the last song the set? Holy diver. And unlike all sing it, meanwhile, playing and singing has not ever will be my thing. So not only am I screwing of the baseline, which I hardly knew either. I didn't even know the lyrics to the song. That's what I sang. Holy diver. You've been gone too long in the midnight. See why don't you climb up a tree? And that came back to haunt me for years on end. Holy diver. Why don't you treat through? Through. So that was fatal accidents. I n last gig ever while I financial gig as guitar player. I still have photographs of it. We played threes song set the name of the band was white clover. Because apparently that was the first name of Kansas. But when they change their name, and the singer was obsessed with Kansas guy, some serious street. Yes. Serious streak credit? We had all the chicks zero Kansas. Yeah. We opened with turn up the radio. Yeah. I was a course in great, rich ward fashion. I was the Rudolf Schenker of the band's not gonna even try to touch that Zillow. Yeah. Didn't that guy on guitar manual or something like, okay, you're really good at playing chords. Stick to it. So he did turn up the radio. I want you to want me and still loving you. Wow. Yeah. It was for some bizarre reason. My mom got me the fake leather tight pants, you know to look rock and roll. And I was trying to excess her is. So I got my red soccer shin guards that were like slip on socks that were on the outside of them. Still. I had these weird kind of red leggings the a puppy front on the Fillon them to protect the case. Anyone tried to kick me while was playing? Yeah. And one of the guys from the local kind of shop class made me a guitar chord. That went to my amp that had chasing lights that would kind of go because back then. Yes. On value killer. Yeah. Okay. Billy is going to tell us but his first gig. But I I to tell you about the first. Thing you should do if you're trying to get on a path to healthier living talking about DP y download the DP y now app and let my buddy demon Dallas page help you own urine life. You know, a DP did for my back. And would it continues to do for me to this very day? That's why I'm able to hit the road with Fauzi on our spring tour and a couple of weeks while it'd be main eventing AWS double or nothing with Kenya. Mega in Las Vegas on may twenty fifth. I can't say enough about Dallas is amazing yoga program except that you should try it for yourself. If you haven't already all your news. 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My first gig ever was the battle the band's west Charlotte high school. So I must have played the year before using is that I moved to Atlanta, our lust drew a singer while we were doing the gig. We played stick it. And we played by great white. We played stick in fatal accident. Okay. So we did. Okay. So we we played we we did two songs. We did stick it and piece of your action. We did piece of your action. I then when it when the time comes came to play stick it the the whole administration of the school sitting right there in front row. Well, our singer decides to flip them all off. Oh, wow. We're playing stick it moms in the crowd her eyes. Are this big after the show? She's like, you know, we're good. But you billion barris me. And I was just like, and of course, we got disqualified too. That's my claim to fame high school Powell the band's right there. He said mom, you ain't seen nothing yet. Cocco? Funny. Stick it. Because I remember that was when David birds blue before the dawn he already had nailed stick it. I remember it was fun for base because it just goes gong gong. It was cool to be a bass player back. Those days is ever into the song was just bomb who ball. That's my that's my favorite line of the song man used to rock debts. So. Okay. So as we move forward through through the fatal accident. So when I started high school a new group of guys around that were singers and players so me and a Hoffer like the package deal. And then we met this guy called a Warren rumble. We're less to rumble years later Scotty and famously dissed when we went to meet anthrax and deservedly, so he said Scott ego. So I see that you have tone shaved in your host. Is that no sorry? Not see of not shaving your chest. Is that done backwards because you guys are so heavy and because that's stupid. That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. So he was a drummer. And he had this whole group of guys from the other junior high school that we met up with. So the first band that was the big jam was called primitive means which it was kind of more of a punky or type thing, which is actually a pretty cool Dame once again, so as me and a half immediate effort pretty good like I would Kevin would teach me how to play you know, all the made in all the Metallica. We still have a drummer. But I wasn't Steve Harris burden. But in my mind, I thought it was like I could do it. So we were playing with a bunch of other guys, and the the the gimmick of this band was you would try and write funny lyrics. So we had a song called like chewy man and a song cold. Tipper gorry. I think it was the zombie Tipper Gore. And then the other one was gay nights. And a lot of these songs would have intros. So the intro for this was taking two symbols and rub them together. It goes oh sagana had what are you unleashing out of your sheath can then go and that was start off the big thing. It'd be like gay nights. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, do gay nights makes it. And these are nights. Like K n I g and you basically just make it up. Okay. Would start a riff owed fall on drums would come in. And guys would show some years later. I gave my cousin. Chad a copy of the primitive means, and we went skiing in panorama, British Columbia and my dad, and I and maybe my mom whoever else was sitting in the hot tub and Chad goes upstairs to play some music out of the balcony ghetto blaster and decides to put on gay nights. And the whole place is listening to this intro. Oh, so Gaya had what is that coming out of your? She don't like Chad shut it off. Stop it. Does this band? He goes. Well, this is your this is disgusting. Turn it up. If you heard the song you'd really know. So that was. So that was the beginning of me. My first my first gig the band didn't actually have a name or a singer. It was just me and two guitar players. And a bass player my buddy Clayton who I'm still friends with was playing guitar this guy named Chris. Oh god. He's gonna kill me. Br Chris Briley was playing bass and oddly enough the other guitar player. Was this guy named Rick Sheppard who ended up working for Dallas Austin? He ended up being like an engineer for Dallas Austin. So he got like he like, you know, actually did Disney Dallas lost and he's a famous producer. He makes beats man. He ended up in that in that world. I don't think he's still in it. But we ended up later we ended up calling the band split image, which I thought was a cool name. But we will special guest fatal accident accident and primitive means so our first gig was at a party in the in like the the off, you know, like in apartment complexes. They have the clubhouse. Yeah. Yeah. We've we played the club my first gig. Yeah, we played we played club those complex and the first song of our set was switched six twenty five leopard because we had no singer. Right. But then we went onto play United by Judas priest and we played living after midnight. And we played some song by this band called the shoes, which I don't understand it. Yeah. I think that might have even opened for van Halen at some point that name sounds real for me. They had they had a couple of like, you know, songs that made a little bit of rain. They were like the producers, you know, that band that like from Atlanta that had a few. Okay, just a quick little segway. And you're talking about the shoes van Halen always had really bad opening act. Right. You know, the reason why I think rich knows this when I had Randy Bachman on the he opens beats open for van halen's fifty one fifty tour because Sammy Hagar said I don't want anyone coming on stage and just thinking about David Lee Roth. I want you to go out there and play thirty minutes of your biggest hits. And literally soon as beats yo finished van Halen started. And Randy said, the same you said, you know, you know, why van Halen never use opening good opening bands because they wanted to keep all the merch money. With the velcro 's. And there was the shoes and all these other things. Yeah. I mean, come on, right. Yeah. So so rich who is your your main high school band? Did you have one? No, I didn't in the reason was is that it was hard to like my parents moved in. So I lost my entire group of Charlotte, friends and move till Lanta, but we lived in the suburbs. And then I found a group of guys to play with and they had a band called the level creek band because the name of the street was leveled creek. Yeah. And they were a bunch of southern rock guys. And they were all great. They could play all this like the hat, Molly hatchet, they could play this. They were really good and I learned from them. And then I met another group of guys at the school who are into Duran Duran is Scott banks and some other players Mark Dickson. And I started playing with these guys, and we were playing that was the first time that I started actually gigging kind of regularly playing high school dances. Because back then if the real way to gig was playing high school dances. And they were a big thing. This is pre DJ's. Yes. All our dance. Wholesome Cummings were all banned. All our all our high school, dances were were bands. They weren't deejays or anything, and we actually have you guys ever had a band play your high school dance that actually went on to have some notoriety. Hebrew, right zebra, played one of our high school dances. Are remember like 'cause that's such an unusual name going to see this, you know, high school dance and seeing this band called. Zebra, and they were three base. And they were really they were great. And then of course, like, you know, few years later, they're on the radio hit said they still play on. Yeah. Great man that was the best training for me is to learn how to play Bryan Adams and def Leppard and Duran Duran and Howard Jones like learning all of these different rhythm techniques and learning how to really play rhythm guitar gives a lot of guys were coming up. And they were just learning to be, you know, Warren de MARTINI or you know, like they were learning the strength stuff that wasn't gonna happen where I live because I couldn't play bars. When our coming up you had to be twenty one years old to be even playing a bar zero really options if you were going to gig was to play it was to place. Meant to be in a variety band. And my best gig ever is is playing the homecoming dance at my own high school, which was amazing because it's like I get to be the hero. And the guy who brought in the PA system had his brand new wireless. I was like oh my God. Give a wireless system. Woes? Like, I've never I mean, this is it gets big dollars for high school. Kitty, you wanna use it? I was like, yes. So I had the wireless system on and a win into the crowd, and we were playing Bryan Adams heaven, and I grabbed girl to do a little slow dance while I'm playing the song and the wireless went out and at one hundred decibels. It is through the whole PA. It was super allowed that sound when your whole system goes out while every would slow day get. Get some things never change. Billy who is your what did you have a main high school band? Well, that was the that was the felon all the Phil Valentine. So. Yeah. And after that, it kind of went to it went to the lustrous sleaze patrol. Myself and possum from revolver played in. And we suddenly went to playing we went to plan. Some good club shows we played still in high school at the time. Yeah. Yeah. We played played pterodactyl club. We opened up for all this this band called New York back in the day. And they were pretty big. I remember back in the day, you know, a circuit band, and we would headline this place in rock hill on cherry road cherry road gate road. We would put five hundred people in their and cover tunes from Metallica. Motley Crue van Halen poison and things kind of went from there. And I and now move to LA with with possum as well. After that funny like you guys were so much bigger than our band. Like, I thought like so my big high school band was scimitar, and it was me Kevin Hof in warm rump. All those three names for you Irvine a off and our trio which actually wanted I wanted to call the name of the band a are. Rumble. Yeah. But it was an anthrax song. But the guys wanted to do scimitar, which of course, the tea was shaped like a scimitar like sin. As you do because the logo is the most important thing when you start right? Not to mention people who say why you call yourselves air. So going back to we set him. And once I've warned us if it doesn't warm was a lot like LARs Orrick. He played by sheer will and determination with early. Lars LARs now is amazing. But no drumming skills whatsoever. He wanted to play drums he had a drum set, and he had a house that we could jam in after school. And so he had this released shitty drums set. So we went downtown one day on the bus to pick up because he found a drum set at a pawn shop, and it was once again, it was Frankenstein drums, set, so we had three bass drums with and they're all different beats an imagined to morons carrying like five drums. Eight symbols on the bus the people trying on the boss. We're trying to get off us don't leave without us. And so we just put all your on the city bus. Yes. To get downtown. So we bought the punt bus bronze. So we set up in his garage. And the first song we we knew because a off I'll get to this later, but it was very OCD. He refused to play unless it was perfect. Now. How do you learn let's go through two bit. But the first one that we really knew well was you really got me with no singer the time. So we used to jam in the garage with the door up in the summertime as the kids were walking home from school. And there's these two hot chicks that live down the street from Warren or called Carlin mcnichols and Lorraine foster. And so every time they were walking home, we'd baron, and I'm out and do we have long cloaks that we bought it like Salvation Army like, you know, the look like kind of the versatile Ghana poison. But also maiden was kind do in that absurd sleeves. Yeah. I had a big red one is called the semi coat. Yeah. Mina out. So we do this every day. And finally after about a month of this van Atta they walk by the one chick said, don't, you know, anymore songs doesn't anybody? Sing this sucks or something they walk by. And they were like, well, I guess we should try something different. And that's when we started. Actually, we did the we we learn more originals. We are always writing original stuff. And that's kind of what our thing was which is probably why we'd never played any real shows or anything like that. Back then being an original band. I was virtually impossible. Well, and it was just for us trying to learn and get better we knew how to play, you know, we do we knew it most of the main catalogue up to somewhere in time most Metallica up until master puppets. Because af could teach us a warm is on the field. At least we kind of knew it. But was the first original song that you ever wrote? Yeah. I don't really know. I have tons of cassettes of first ideas, but nothing ever became anything until stuck Mo-jo. We'll meet I started. It was first real band. I had you know, when you when you first start off, and you've got a band, and you go in the studio and record it. But I again, a lot of that stuff. I don't have strong memories of his didn't mean anything like like, I love your stories because that best bands meant stuff to you. I I always felt like, you know, and I think part of the best thing that I always did was I always surrounded myself with musicians that were way better than me. So I was kind of learning from them. They were years older, but they were also driving the. Car. So we'd go to the studio I play some guitar stuff. But I wasn't the boss of the ban. Like, you were like you had groups that you were like there's three guy. Yes. So the whole high school our school experience, and we were gonna make it. They used to draw comics of of all the band members. And all the adventures we would have and did you ever make the did you ever make the laminates the backstage passes? I nobody had comics. I got reams of comics. Okay. But the one thing is that we got an argument one time, and I got kicked out of the band, and I was like I'll start my other band. So my new band was called dangerous curve spelt C I R V because my last name is Irvine dangerous curve. And I was like I had a logo I had an album cover. I didn't have a band. Yeah. So after about two lunch hours of not jamming. I went back there. And they took me back to the van. Remember, the first time you ever wrote. It was with sleaze patrol backing that well, I mean as far as like a chorus with lyrics and riff. It was called shadows. In the night. Yes. It was gone down. Shadows in the night. Take a look go round. Well, it's a big hit. We had a blizzard in nineteen eighty six the famous eighty six lizard and one in Winnipeg, which I'm not gonna tell you much snow, but if something like ten feet of snow is ridiculous. So everybody was shut in so tomorrow. I'll walk over to warn south that took about half an hour in the snow, but write some songs tonight, and we're going to do a record tomorrow. So the night before I was I was possessed. I wrote three really good songs, quote, unquote. One was called sour grapes. One was called baby. Psycho woman was called weenie rose, which is about a cannibal that would make wieners out of human flesh. Right. And assume remember sour grapes, Dhondup an-and, Anna down. Bannon Anna down Bannon. Bannon and our great. Salvo grace, and then it goes sour, grapes, rotten cream, overripe bananas. It's awesome me. And it was about a guy that likes eating rotten food. It's all I can think of but the riff was cool shocking. This never win. Courses solid grades on data. I really love him sour grapes. Can't get enough of them. Ron and the baby psychos babies. I go down to then. Dan, Dan, Dan, Lin? And now, he's got you nanna. Oh, yeah. Yet gonna kill you. Street survey room. Yeah. Yeah. Now, he's got you. Then in Anna done some base. You remember that? I can't remember Pasi songs soundcheck. We're like. We're like the rich. You wrote this song six years ago played at one hundred. I like, I just I don't I don't know. But like you said because maybe because I was so into it, and I must have listened to those songs slash records because you'd put ten songs on recording. That'd be your new record sets that you listen to we we we would make the song very quickly. And then put it onto you said we'd have an album, and I would similar to now I would put together the track listing and figure this it needs to be the opener, and this is the closer. And this what we're going to do. We you self loathing. Listen to material. I was like God we saw we need to work up sour grapes for sound check. I it's pretty easy. We'll get checks laid to sling. It. That's the thing was like, you know, like like, you said that there was there was nobody really filter this. And I think if you did actually re practice it rehearse, it would probably really good. And that was a offs thing. He's like nobody can ever hear this. It's not good enough. And I was like dude, it's wicked. It's awesome. Like who would not want to hear this music, grapes? Jay off as me. I'll if you play that for anyone I will break that Kosei. So how about you mentioned battle the band's experiences? Did you have you mentioned yours believe with the finger up? Did you ever have one rich about all the band's experience? Yeah. That was the one that I was I was to with the girl with the with the one that I played at west Charlotte high school. The funny thing is Franken I took similar paths in that. We we tried playing covers and we had these bands. But, but ultimately, the are I kind of realization as musicians came from our first band, and I will tell you Franks was I met Frank after I had been pl- I moved to Lanta, and I was looking for musicians to kind of network with and Frank was in a band called lethal promise, and I heard about lethal promise because in the little Atlanta scene. There were four five bands. That everyone kind of knew there was ouija. There was lethal product board. Yes. Yes. And then there was. Mark Willis's who is Fosse's manager how to band Masada. Yes. So there was a handful of. Yes, they were they had a song called long hair. No underwear. They all said a song called I got crabs, but ain't been fishing. Yeah. So yes. So I met Frank and Frank hedge early been annotate hair and like the serious bangs right across the super poof, Charlie meets, Eric Carr. Afro and his band was really cool there singer of they had this kind of queen's Reich alternative metal kind of vibe to them singer had a super high range, and they had a guy who was kind of alternative guitar heavy metal guitar hero. Who's now his brother-in-law Chris taro's, and then he had another guitar player. Look a little bit kind of like John Sykes whole Larson, and I love this band. And I I asked him could I get tar tech for you. That's kind of how Franken I became friends is that I was guitar checking for Franks band, while I tried to find a group of my own since to start Margarita Ville, remember Gore's, Atlanta, Georgia this Hora. Hidden you guys played some covers right was oh, we never played any from the beginning. Because original had to have a set of culture to not. Yeah. Yeah. Because. Nineteen eighty six you know. I mean, you couldn't you couldn't be an original ban. I remember when I got together with these guys for the first time Chris Storrow he's the guitar player. And he was kind of like, the leader defacto leader of the band. And he was like I started asking. Well, what kind of songs are we going to play? And he was like, well, I've got a bunch of songs and he's talking about like songs he'd written. I was like, well what Cau? I mean. Like, what rat songs are we gonna do what Jews Brizo's we he's like we're not doing any covers. And I was like, no, what do you mean? We can't do that. And I I didn't like it because I loved playing all my favorite songs, you know. And he was like, no, we're not. I'm not wasting time. Playing covers we're playing all our own stuff. And that's what we did from the beginning. And it was hard to get gigs. You know doing that? Because everybody wanted covers. In fact, we got booked at this club where they didn't know we were in originally they booked us for like a week of playing like, you know, one night stands for like a week in this club. And the guy said, well, how do you want me to advertise this on the on the little thing? Outside. You know, the. Yeah, the marquee and Chris said, yeah. So and so presents all original rock music with lethal promise in the guy's face. Just went like y'all don't play any covers. The Frank span had a course the they had their like Aren made like every man they had a song lethal promise. Which is the closer. It was. It was great. But my favorite song. These can be found on YouTube by the yes, my favorite song by Franks, lethal, promise outfit was titties in death fees. Just just tits and death. Oh, sorry. That was the time. All right. I don't believe that one's on YouTube doesn't make our epic song. A why why did you kill grandpappy seamless such a bad sauntered? In death was was clever because the whole idea was it was the reason why young dudes went to go. See horror movies was tits. And it was a heavy soul. It was pretty heavy. And that's what what'd you kill grandpappy was a song about that about a murderer that killed grandfather. But it was nine minutes long. We don't forget who we were playing who who are heroes or this was scimitar Metallica. So what we did? It's very much. What LARs James do? Now, we were record apart, stop the cassette rehearse the next part. Because there was let's temple changes record that stopped the cassette. So be like. No, no, not the neighborhood at dinner. Bannon. A now. Josh. Keeping DD so but we had that so just to say to. So there was other rival bands in the Winnipeg area was called Saint James where we live and we used to hang out at seven eleven. There was a seven eleven and McDonald's that's where everybody hung out all the rockers wintertime, summertime, whatever. And there was one band that like like, I said we played no gigs because they have wouldn't let us, but we thought we were pretty hot shit banned. And there was another band that we hated called seventh heaven there from the rival high school John Taylor, and we had a seventh even played like they played gigs. Like let clubs like you guys did, but they played like separate ways. And they were really good. And I hated the drummer just pissed me off. It would be hanging around with this super cool on hair, always tight jeans. And I hate this guy. And the guy's name is Brent Fitz. Now slashes drummer after drawing for Alice Cooper, and fricken gene Simmons now telling you said that he knows it. I told the first time I saw this, dude. I used to say, hey, I never hated. You thought your call? I hated you because Warren hit him fits those will Fitch. He was so mad because fits at a better kit and rival drummers, right? Three random kicked her own so bad. So let's talk about when you first moved out to Los Angeles before we do that our friends at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration wants you to be safe on the road. They listed. It could be a little frustrating, especially if you're in a rush a running late to find yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train. I know the feeling you don't wanna wait. The signals are going the trains not even there yet you feel a little bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. And you don't do it ever trains are often going lot faster than you expect them to be and they can't stop. So even if a train engineer hits the brakes right away, it could take a train over a mile to finally stop. And by that time, what used to be your car just a crushed hunk of metal. And what used to be you? Well, let's not even think about that. Let's say it's very very very bad for everyone. Evolve point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive. So the train can't stop even if it sees you and the results is. Disaster. If the signals are on the train is on its way, you just have to remember one thing. Stop because the train can't talk is Jericho. Also sponsored in part by indeed dot com when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes, set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsored jobs. New users can try it for free at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Find the right person that you want to hire go to indeed dot com slash podcast. Go do it. Now. Billy, wink, when you first how old were you? When you first moved to LA seventeen. Josh you still high school age. Yeah. Did you graduate? No, I didn't dropped out. Yeah. And and John or possibly already moved out there and the ad ban. They were call four stint tree the tar player quit. All right. So he had he had already had already played a few gigs out there and the guitar player quit. So he calls my mom up one day, and I wouldn't doing good in school, and this and that and the other she's like with John called the other day and talk to me, would you wanna move out to L as your best you? Oh, yeah. You kidding? Oh, yeah. Mama would've raised that. For me. Bob was like you never give it a shot. God bless mom. You know? Did. And so I moved out there. We played all the clubs money or like, what did you wanted to get? They helped my family helped me out. And then I got a job as a telemarketer out there. Six AM to twelve twenty PM every day job. Just getting on the phone getting the getting the sale going, then you would get the closer to close the deal you selling office supplies. White. I I the first company I called when I got there was mom's company. Okay. So so pretend you're the phone rings. Hello. Hey, this is Billy from such and such. Who do I speak to you who who do speak to about your office supply purchases? That would be me. I'm charge. Okay. Well, let me tell you what I got going on here. Read off a script. You know, then I would get to the point where. Okay. Well, let me let me introduce you to Sam he's my he's my boss, and he's going to close out the deal here for now. Just the seven degrees of ward and gray. Billy's mom worked for an insurance company that he sold office supplies to. And then the office next door was my dad's translate was my mom travel down each of. Yes, they did. Right, man. I hated Billy grey like, Dave. Like, what do you mean? He could play fine high gain. So. -ducted by an alien what happen like I'm still trying to trying to play looks to kill. That was a big hit first, by the way, when we cut our maiden and priest covers me did play or made Metallica covers when we played parties the ones that we did play. You had to whip out the talk dirty to me because at least chick. That we did to at least two g to chip it's such a bad. Never liked it chicks loved it. They did. They did this lease patrol become lickety-split. No that was way before none of the same members. Oh, and none of the same became regionals. Hey Billy's had several bands that I knew of popular bands in Charlotte that did well because they you then after forced entry, I moved Jonquet, right? And you move back back home. And then you start an lickety-split then. Yes, I jumped right into that. And then he had a band called method fifty one that was popular ask what led me to you guys? I fronted that as a as a singer as a rap core band and fronted and play guitar for them. It was a trip. We had an imprint real. Yeah. Three piece. Win an imprint deal with Atlantic had a record out, and which ironically had a song call to be the man, you gotta beat the man. I remember I played you that video which has in the loop in the middle of the song, the Lionheart Chris Jericho's about you know. That's right. Remember that? So in that led me to opening for stuck Mojo. And that's why I'm here today. So I'm gonna go back, and he's like I said because I had this this high school band where we actually you know were together for a while. So our our first that only battle the bands, it was that a teenage nightclub, and I've been trying to think the name will time began with s wasn't Sidewinders splitters. There was something called like I don't remember what it was. But you had to addition to get this shenanigans might as well be but it was age nightclub. It wouldn't it. The cool thing about the eighties were teen clubs. AM all the time. Go there dance and hang out. There's no alcohol, but if you'd places like a UC Paris could drop you off they knew that you would, you know, basically booth in the confines of this boys and Girls Club, but my kind of a cooler version, so it was all over to the side of town for us and we had to audition. So we we we sent in a tape of an original song which was sitting nights which started with the drum bass and guitar solo. Like something is something out of eat him and smile. 'cause like like like the hit. Jot down little. Thicket down down down down to get that get down ban an-and ano- which made a lot of friends on the dance floor with them. So we auditioned play one cover and one original. So we did city nights and the cover once again to feel to the teenage nightclub big city nights. Peace sells, but who's buying? Okay. As you do. Needed a manager. Showed up, and dude, I was all out I glued I smashed a mirror and glued mirror onto gauntlets, which are made of socks that. I cut the ends on a gauntlet is like a big long sleeve with a with a sort of MIR's glued to my jeans, which may be have droopy drawers because they were too heavy, and I had a cutoff super tight white shirt. And a question Mark on it. 'cause steriods mysterious. So we neutral so we started playing it we opened with with these cells. And of course, that's media. I'm the bass player bringing them by Dandan nothing. My frigging cord came unplugged because I stepped on it when I was rocking and the court came out of the base and fell on the ground. So it goes ban an. Going to do. So we stop. Okay. Plug in. We start again. What else can you do? And we never knew about you having like you keep your kick drum in position by putting like a brick in front of it or something screaming forms trying to play. So we stumble and bumble through and long behold, we won one the first round. And I will never forget how exciting was because there was one girl. Her name was Carolyn morass, and with when the local paper came out that scimitar was playing at name of club in the battle of the man, she cut the pictures out and put it in her locker. Wow, I fan you will you want against the guys ban with the one glass eye. And so the next week. We went back, and we got destroyed by this band called the fourth floor, and they did some wicked kinda cool. Like a TOTO type song than they did back in the USSR, and they murdered us. And that was it we were done, and I remember just the thrill of victory and the agony people like. Believe it or something that you know, it's your first lesson. You should have played the Beatles. You knew your favorite bad. But I just and then the the caveat of this was they showed it on this on this show. It was on every Friday night. And it was called bundy's late night adventure in Bundy was like the host, and he would do different stuff. It was on. We were on for like, two minutes, and we recorded it. And so every guy in the band got to keep it for like a week. Right. And I was the first guy because I you know, I was the bass player, and I probably whatever cried about it till I got it. So I watched it one time and. I go downstairs to watch it again. And and look into watch. And it's like a love boat that my mom had taped. And I was like, okay, mom. Where's the tape of similar shoes? What do you mean? She was worse than scimitar tapes goes I don't you talking about I'm like, okay, hold on a second. Please don't say that you she would love but was on and every quarter. Mom, are you love booth. And she's like, why don't you lay? Remember, the VHS tapes. You could click the back the little SCR tab. I never thought about writing scimitar on earth cooking, the tab out of it and my mom recorded over scimitar with love boat. And imagine me having to tell a off and rumble that remember what those days you couldn't go back and watch. It was never on again. That's it that was done. I even called bundy's late that adventure the students that you guys have the tape of the show the day of the show we record over it right away with love Boettger whatever's on fantasy island. Yeah. So that was it. And that was kind of the end after that, we couldn't continue on under those circumstances. And that was pretty once the tape was raised with love boat. It was a sign it was done. And even my dad, even he even for a high school graduation gift. He bought a studio time and just wasn't interesting. Swear, we're gonna record, you know. And I was like well can't we record some as it? Now, we're done the tapes recorded over finished. The fast board. Now is a dad have you ever done something like that like accidentally erased over a dance recital or different now, though because everything is recorded on like a phone or everything so out there. Yeah. Great pulling. Now, you would if it was on TV DVR it, and if you raised it, I mean, you know, somebody else would have DVR D or you can find it or they replay it or something, you know, YouTube somebody would have found it was about east as everything everything's out there now. I mean, there's so many things that are just gone. Yeah. I agree there. So many moments of my career, even like like into making records that things just gone into the third, you know, pre YouTube, and you've got a video cassette of it. But I don't know where that video cassette or did he get it rain? It exactly. There was a cassette of that first gig that I did with that band with no name where we, you know, played that party that was talking about for the longest time. I had that Kosei sounded horrible because it was recorded with one of those, you know, the classic. Yes. That player, you know, with the buttons you record play. Yeah. Record play rewind. And I had it for the longest time. And I actually did a drum solo on that on that recording. And it's the one time in the entire set that we play we played probably six songs, but it was the one time you hear people cheer over the music. You know, like because you know, it's like we we would play a song, and we'd end and people would clap, and it was cool. You know, when people and you hear the talking, you know, people in the background than we play another song, and I did a drum solo and went right from the drum solo into the beat that opens living after midnight. And as soon as we hit the I corps is bad out that you hear the audience. Roar like the one time. Happened. And I'd give anything to have that Taylor. We had this. I just always remember. There was this guy in the background who's a friend of mine from high school this real redneck. He do in between every song. He would be like y'all play. Some Ted Nugent. I like before the last song he's like clapping cheering plays. Ted Nugent, y'all plays them dead. New before the last you hear him go seriously place to do. We just as we wind down to a couple of us. So we mentioned city nights. We actually had a video for students that we recorded and then we recorded a video for another song called stranded, which I based on a Steven king onset videos. Yes. Oh, my. It had nothing to do with one of the strategy was based on survivor type, which is about a guy who stranded on an island and ends up eating himself. So that's what I was writing about. Hey, you know, why? Because anthrax wrote about Stephen King Stephen gig to and that started with the basal doing digging to get to to get into town to get to get into the Dow, and so the opening concept was scimitar walking through the school yard and being accosted by a gang of toughs. And like who will you were Cima jar. And we're we're super tough. He's who are you who are you where they were they from Asia or something? Scimitar sucks, man. Yeah. You suck. The base sucks that taught of sucks and the drums sock, and we think scimitar socks, and then we go so tall. Void on. And then we attack and there's a big gang fight. And we beat the hell out of the whole gang ambitious. And then we just keep then we just keep walking the way it was just for nights we were playing stranded as we were walking on the ghetto blaster. We beat up the villains. Then we went to play sim. It's a stranded. And then we went into the city nights video. How did you edit it altogether? We had a guy who could edit it with a with a cord from the VHS camera, which is very big. Yeah. It was. Camera. But if you plugged it into he was kind of a like, a real techy type of guy wasn't in the band. He could figure out how to edit every edit much like the Whitey keel grandpappy had had like little ch-. So you like in every edit during the video tape. I think I have it. Because to me, that's one of those that would be the thing that I would love to have capturing the youthful like at that moment in life of just saying, you know, look at bus kids in our imagination and. You know, because you didn't know of your like you said here, we are sitting in Berlin. We had a jam packed show last night we played to I don't know ten thousand people the night before Vakhin, and it all starts for all of us. Just like this. Whether you're in, you know, whether you're Paul McCartney or LARs Ulrich, or you know, a guy who's just starting right now kid starting in the basement, and that's kind of the one side thing that that is I don't like my son's friend is in a band is aim is Julian I took him in to see kiss. And I said to Paul Stanley goes to tell them what you place, and I just learned how to play creatures of the night, he goes, well, maybe you could be able to play it, and he was just so excited, and I was like asko sing for his band. You can sing it's not my style something style. But I I'm wondering if there's like is their kids still getting gather and playing in bands, or is it just the video game culture, or they are it's not as it's not. I don't think it's you know, it isn't what it used to be. But there's still kids out there putting bands together. Yeah. I actually have read that guitar sales were way down. That's right. Kirk Kirk Hammett said about. Yeah. Gibson? Fender all these big companies are really suffering because kids are just playing instruments. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. And it's, you know, of course, you know, they've shifted their attention to other things tack in and like you said video games. And and maybe, you know, maybe in fifty years, there won't be bands with guitars and bass and drums, maybe everything will be program based. Yeah. It would be sad. If that was the case, I mean, you think about one hundred years ago, you would never have Symphony Orchestra that it could ever think about being replaced by synthesizers and sure kirks on mandolin or lute used to be like the forefathers of all instruments. They don't even exist anymore. It's an interesting point. But at the same time, though, if you think about it like one of the biggest up and coming bands is Greta van flips right? And they've gone back to that straight routes. Yeah. Hopefully, vinyl sales have increased, you know, think I think hopefully, I mean this may be me being naive. You know or pollyanna, but I'm hoping that word. Yeah. I'm hoping that you know, they'll be a little bit more of a resurgence of kids. You know, who like might experience, you know, like, they'll they'll be kids growing up who've come up who have never seen a live band play like in person. Right. And the first time they see it go. Wow. That's really cool. You can tell you often not fuzzy shows someone's first show and they're like eighteen or sixteen hundred fifteen. Yeah. Interesting. No, I'm just gonna say they see somebody playing guitar in a live situation. And it'll be like so alien to them. There's just like, that's amazing. How do you do that? I wanna do that. Isn't it interesting that you brought up the hottest kind of new upstart band, Greta von fleet? And then you bring up the idea the concept of how this been a big resurgence for for vinyl, which both hearken back to kind of a desire for nostalgia. Because vanfleet is is nothing more than a a real dig back into some retro approach. Totally. So maybe that is the answer as music kind of lurches forward kind of into the retro age. Maybe there is room for young kids who who love a C D C or motor head and can embrace kind of kind of route zeal wrong, Greta van fleet who are obviously influenced by zeppelin and bands like that. I mean, how does it make you feel how how does it make you feel when you see like a seventeen or eighteen year old kid wearing zeppelin shirt or an AC DC shirt? Or how does it make you feel when you see Greta van fleet being the hottest band in the land or no under twenty years old, right? I mean, that's good for rock and roll. All totally, you know, got a couple of points as a when I went to Calgary to start wrestling. Another guy called Lenny Olsen who we started jamming other with a drum machine, and we made a record with the band name of great Caesar's ghost, and we made copies of the record. And we put them on sale at big rock records and CDs in Oakland oaks Berta, and we sold more copies than L. To John nirvana. We sold four they sold three. So. So. Outsold nirvana and Elton John and a song on that record was a ballot that I wrote on guitar and vocal only based on a Halloween song called longing, which is Michael Kuscu. Basically just guitar and vocal and the song is called God pounds is nails years later. I took those lyrics gave them to rich. And that's what the song God pounds his nails came from. Oh, that's cool. We'll own little known fact, we outsold Madonna once. Yeah. Where rock records and tapes, go ahead here. Well, it was at virgin records. She had a album release and rising was released. Stuck Mojo album rising was released the same night. But we did go and do a do we do a signing that? Yeah, we did aside. You know, we we cheated somewhat. But still it looked good to look on their weekly sales. Number eight hundred records and she sold like thirty five. It's like we sold almost five thousand copies and she only sold like thirty five and she's Madonna. Yeah. Yeah. At that. Virgin, rain one location. I'll take it though. Billy when you're on the sunset strip. What was your favorite gig that you've ever played with anybody cool? Yeah. At well. My favorite gig was at the at the Roxy, and it was with the band pretty boy Floyd, they weren't one of my favorites. But there are big base. Was packed dude. We were main support it was an awesome show and something I'll never forget. Right. That's amazing that Billy grey tasted all of this stuff. He taught nineteen eighty eight t ninety eight like, you you were part of that scene. Do you like we watch decline of the west physician, you might be in that movie in the buddy buddy was in the my roommate was in the movie his he was in a band called? Tommy, rod, totally rotten. Tommy, Tommy rock. Yeah. Yeah. And I started stuck Mojo in nineteen eighty nine. But we didn't get our start. I'm a will. We eventually started opening for some nationals. But we actually didn't get our record deal until nineteen ninety four. So Billy was already. I think we open for biggest ban we ever opened up for early on with three eleven and that would have been kind of ninety three years ninety two or something that was like for me. That's pretty cool dude man that'd be bully Floyd. Yes. Devi sex summers. Yeah. Okay. Last question. What was your favorite song that used to play in the high school band, cover original or both? Frank. Oh, man. God come back to me. I'd have to think about that. For a second Billy? I'm gonna go and say ain't talking about love. And I just love that Repton gang gang gang and being able to start the song. And at the front of the stage. You know as a kid, you know, the crowd look new the song already and after seeing van Halen play it. It was awesome. That's great for me as as an original. It was city nights. Which later got changed. Puzzled life Qasidi nights was to pedestrian and actually that song. Those guys went on to play in a band called skulduggery which actually had some steam in the early nineties in Winnipeg. They played all the bars of the place that we used to go watch bands play. Okay. And it was a little bit of my DNA that there was still playing puzzled life, which I wrote a couple of riffs for they dropped the basal at the beginning, which pissed me off. But my favorite song that we played was Acis high, and it was always fun to play. Because I always love the part. Like, I said, I was not a great bass player, but I can hold my own that part, ding, ding, ding, ding, didn't get and get indignant about it was the one time when we nailed it warned was on. Drums that was great. And the final caveat was we only had a three piece because no one else we knew wanted to play those type of songs. So one day this guy moved down the street. I think my name is Rik ran Radin. And he was. Rich ram Renton. She wrong. He was he was not east Indian from the West Indies. Are it might have been easy, but he was very dark, and he was like an Indian cat, whether it was east or west or whatever. And he's you talk like this, dude. What he means? And all I want you come over to our house jam, and it was like, do, you know, he he's like there's always like. Yeah. Anyway. So, you know, so so we played Acis high. And it was first time scimitar ever had two guitar players. Finally, all these bands that we cover Royce megadeath Metallica made their all to guitar bands. We only have one it's our player and it sounded so amazing. And it was so great. And when it was done, it's like do do you want to join her bags like not looking? Let's see later. And he never came again. And he must have thought we sucked. Well, hey. Yeah. Ended up in a band with four guitar players. Rich. I'll probably see I saw goal not the obvious thing. But that that kind of high school dance band we used to play in excess. Don't change long as great zone change. You O J? Yeah. Yeah. Standing here on the ground. All. From earlier than that. No that's from album called Schabus with original original sin that no no that only had that had don't change. And what was the first song as it was a big dent in it. It. One thing. Yeah. It's the one thing or or or or for me like one thing leads to another like we used to play all those songs like that was like my era where I really learned. And those songs are so cool because they appealed to rockers like us, but they also translated to girls, and you could get people that dance to those songs. It was like that the pretty in pink soundtrack era where like rock dude still liked. It wasn't didn't alienate, isn't it. Funny, though, as we sit here talking, you know, is that all of what you're talking about the four of our influences and how he kind of started all go into the fuzzy pot. You've got kind of the more new wave dancy stuff. You've got kind of more of the prog he heavier stuff you've got kind of glam element. You got Franken playing hard hitting original stuff? It's like it really is kind of a little bit of the ingredients of the Fauzi soup. Yeah. It's a it's when you listen to the Jude. This album. There's so many different elements that come together to make kind of what is a really unique sound, and there are some real dance elements in there, and there's a real metal elements, and there's some prog elements all of these things that we're talking about the glam we kind of grew up within his on on these records. And I think again, I think this is a cool conversation because a great way to tied up. Obviously is is that we are really who we are. This is not really put on and everyone wants to experiment and try new things, and we have I mean, we've constantly tried to spread our wings a bit. And and push ourselves to be as good as we can be in try a little bit more here. But at our core, we've always been this groovy hard rock band with some prog elements to it with big choruses. And and I think that's a product of who we were when we were kids. Yeah. Exactly. Good stuff guys and Garth caused needs. If you're out there. Please. Please tell me how the hell you spell. Your name. 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Getting Diagnosed with Annie Segarra, Romantic Jealousy and Going Back To School

Just Between Us

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Getting Diagnosed with Annie Segarra, Romantic Jealousy and Going Back To School

"Szeswith swinging uh-huh uh-huh I'm Alison. I'm a writer director. And one time Miss Hannigan and a summer camp production of Anne and I'm Gabby done I'm a writer by CON by icon. Wink and I travel the world behind Evelyn. No you don't yes I do. You can't lie in the opening. Prove that don't okay. I'm sorry you're not allowed to lie. No I know how much easier it'd be if I could lie in the opening. Well why don't you. I'm running out of ways to describe my Sino and so this is how I have gamed the system so we're just going to live from now on. I mean you know what. Do whatever you feels right to you. And that's the truth and that's the truth and I think we've established that here on this podcast. This is just between between us. A variety show filled with heartfelt advice. Ridiculous Games and brutal honesty. It's in the description. You cannot lie so I built my a hot air balloon in one thousand nine hundred eighty degree turn your mic off. Why does every school do any? I wasn't school. It was summer camp. Yeah A- and I don't know it's just like a good time but I can't sing so I just sort of spoke through my songs. Did you do like a New York accent when you played Miss Hannigan. Don't remember number. I just know that that was the highlight of my acting career that summer because the first term I was A lead role in little abner. Wow them and and then I strolled into any having missed the auditions because I had left in between the terms to to go. Mikhail Ripken with my dad and and they still gave me the lead and people were people. Were upset because you you felt entitled. You can just stroll in Cairo insane. I don't make the decisions. They gave me the role. Why were you just? That was very good. I wanted to be a child actor so bad too and I'm resentful and my parents parents didn't let me do it. I think thank God. They didn't let me do it. I know but but It would my life be that different probably. Yeah well. You're assuming that you would have have been successful that I would have been good at being a child of book stuff versus just going out on a cute. No I was really cute. I would have definitely really been booking excited for this week's episode. We have any cigar. We're going to be asking some tough questions about disability and the long road to diagnosis and and later we'll be discussing going back to school as an adult. But I hid it. Sh- the Laura Italy. God what a beautiful name. What a beautiful place right? Her question is this. How can I handle jealousy? ooh Some more info. I'm twenty three and I've been in a serious relationship for a year now with an awesome guy. I had a huge crush on for months. There is just an issue jealousy. I don't know oh how to handle it. It's not something about someone who I find specifically threatening to our relationship nor is it cost for my boyfriend's behavior since he's nothing but loving and caring and has made one hundred percent unclear. How committed he is to US still? I can't help feeling insecure. I have recurring nightmares about him deciding he wants to date other girls. I even get annoyed when my female. Oh friends are nice to him. Any time this happens. I go and ask my boyfriend for reassurance about his feelings which he's always ready to give but I'm afraid one day he'll get tired of this dynamic. What do I I do? I know I have a history of abandonment issues do trauma from childhood and I'm addressing them therapy. Is there any other advice you can give me on. This therapy is would have been my number one suggestion him. But you're already doing it. I I feel like I am a recovered Jealous Maniac yes short. I'm in recovery from Jealousy. Yeah the area where I used to be super super jealous girlfriend in. I am convinced that they were GonNa meet somebody else or they will lead me for someone in I had to really realize that it had nothing will. Sometimes it had something to do with the guy but overall it was mostly my own issues news and it was about me not having confidence in myself And also not not trusting the words that someone was saying to me. Yeah and so. I think that there's plenty of people who will make you feel jealous. And it's on them and their behavior is inappropriate appropriate and they're pushing boundaries and they're doing things that make you uncomfortable And in that case that's an issue with your partner and your relationship and something you have every right to feel feeling to bring up and maybe you're not compatible exactly but if you know that it is not on your partner at all that this one hundred percent just something that is coming from inside you. Do you really have to look at that and figure out like why. Why do you assume that someone is going to want to leave you? Also also you have to extend the same person hood to them as you extend to yourself. I know we think of ourselves is very complex and complicated people and we don't often extend that same inner life to others so like if you know if you if you're like Oh my God he's constantly thinking about leaving he's constantly thinking that he doesn't want to be with me. But then you know that your not like that or you think about like well. I'm not sitting here constantly thinking about leaving. I'm not if I text a a male friend. I'm not thinking about like how I'm GonNa fuck that friend and leave my boyfriend like you have to extend like the same a bit like way that you look at yourself to him. Maybe he's just sitting on the couch watching TV and I remember sometimes being like Oh my God. He's totally thinking that he wants to. He's so bored with me and he's leaving but like when you're sitting on your couch watching TV you're just sound out watching TV like often. It's not that deep and being jealous is not something that will prevent cheating exactly so like you obsessing about this. This thing isn't going to determine his actions if anything I think you're right. And then it might ultimately drive him away because it isn't fun to be with a partner who constantly needs reassurance and it's also so not fun to have a partner who's accusing you of stop right like. I know that you're saying you're not accusing him. But I would hear it as like what do you think of me right and like you have to just just know that if they choose to do that if they choose to cheat on you if they choose to act inappropriately that's on them you have no control over zone eligible for it and like and and if and when that happens then you will deal with but don't worry about something until it's actually happening. Yeah a relationship could fall apart for any reason. If you're so fixated on like like well I hope he doesn't cheat. I hope he doesn't cheat. There's could be communication breakdowns. There could be some sort of thing where one of you gets a job and suddenly a long distance and it doesn't work. I mean there's just so many reasons that relationships fall apart so worry about those instead opted. That doesn't behoove you to worry about any. I know I have a thing because I don't don't necessarily feel jealousy in this way which is I mean? I feel jealous like I definitely feel jealous of people's exes more than I feel all of like people in their life like I feel like if they're talking to their ex. I'm jealous because that person already has like a place in their life and they already loved them but if it's a new person I'm like well if you're gonNA leave me for new person than you were gonNA leave me anyway. I also think that you have to stop yourself from vocalizing. These fears So like like. That's behavioral therapy is like you. You want to go to him and you want him to reassure you when you want to bring up every single fear that you have and you have to not let yourself do that. You have to self soothe you have to self soothe. It's not on him to fix this feeling in you. And that's the thing I've really worked on like I. You know in the past like if my boyfriend if a boyfriend had brought up a new female coworker. They're sitting next to this girl at work in like whatever I would immediately be like. Let me see a photo of her and now I'm just like okay day like I just I don't let go there in my conversation with him. it'll just be like. Oh she called. Are you guys friends like yeah like she you know like I don't even let it slip that I'm thinking about the possibility of her. Viewing him in a romantic way at all. Yeah because then I'm giving into my anxiety I'm giving into my Dow and my worry and I don't WanNa vocalise it. I think it'd be really great exercise for you Aurora to make a pact with yourself to not bring your jealous feelings for a month Where like you know you are not allowed to express that you feel jealous? You can obviously feel your feelings. You can't control what you feel that you are not allowed to vocalise them or discuss discuss them with anyone else and I wonder if at the end of that month if they'll have left power over you. Oh because if you're not saying them they don't have power right. Oh that's interesting interesting because then it's just like your like this just in my mind. It's not real and all. Yeah and you're not just like giving life to it. Yeah because the more you saying out loud the more you're enforcing in your ahead that's true and then it's also a thing that you guys are talking about an it's an issue that's actually happening right because it's common. It's normal to feel jealous. It's normal to feel jealous. The real problem is is meeting it to be a thing every time. And let's say that this guy does cheat on you then you don't want to be with him anyway right so you have to assume that he is the guy that you like. He is the guy that you love us. The person you think he is and that person wouldn't cheat on you right. So what are you even worrying about you know like ah if that happens then like the only thing to want to want to know so that you can leave. This isn't if he is this person that you think he is than just like stop talking about it. Yeah because it's not doing anyone any good. Yeah you're making a problem where there isn't one I totally get it. Because I I've have like one hundred percent been there and I've I've poked prodded and I've you know all that let's your partner knows that you're insecure and like while partners will. Obviously I love you. If you're insecure it is like it can have the effect of making less desirable. Yeah but on top of that. You're just spinning a problem. Out of thin air. Listen to problem totally. And that's annoying. It's just like annoying. Yeah when a partner does that. This isn't happening. This isn't a thing and again you can not control other. The People Liking Your partner and other people flirting with your sweet. Now you have to trust that your partner will continue to behave appropriately right. Yes like it's not there's no reason and for you to freak out because someone else likes your partner like this medium Hotlanta and if he's not engaging in it there's nothing to worry about yeah we have always like stupid narratives that paint men as dummies who fall. I like stuff all the time like we need to make more like movies. Where men aren't like the victims victims of seduction and responsible for their own action? You know it's like we always painted as like this girl's GonNa take him away and it's like he has to do something he has agency exactly and also I mean maybe there could be a thing where the relationship is going really well and so you're just inventing something. Have you talked about that in therapy. Sometimes when a relationship is going really well and you just aren't anxious person you spin your wheels trying to be like what can I do to cause some sort of this happy exactly and you do deserve to to be this happy Aurora especially in Italy. So beautiful if you'd like to submit your international questions and to just between us at go dot com that's just between us. Pico de at G. DOT COM coming up next. We have an interview with any cigars. So stick around since we I get mouth-watering seasonal recipes and premeasured ingredients delivered right to your door with hellofresh America's because number one meal kit. They make cooking at home fun. 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So can you kind of just take us through that journey for you. You good Lord yes so I have a genetic condition meaning so have had it pretty much. My Tire. Life called Eller San Luis Syndrome And there's bunch of different types of ehlers download syndrome and we'll call it. EDS for short My type specifically is called classical Michael Type. How fancy I know? That's what I thought. It was like. How cute classical time like like they're supposed to be violins? Playing that's right. I know it was something that I experienced symptoms of very acutely when I was little like things that Basically the two people who were not inside of my body right everybody else in the world they saw me and they thought that I was just kind of like a Chubby out of shape. Kid like Because my face turn red really fast during physical activity or or because I couldn't hang onto the monkey bars For like more than a second or so like I just couldn't I couldn't do a lot of physical things like that Which everybody including my pe? He coaches were like okay. So you're a Panzi right like your back or whatever But never looked at any of those little small things as like a symptom of something else like I was like a wooded have asthma attacks Asthma attacks I would have so where I felt like my throat was closing and this would always happen. Like right on the like end of a coal ultimately right when I started actually seeking diagnosis. It didn't even happen Until a year ear into this very disabling chronic pain Used to work at a restaurant and I was like on my feet and wearing heels for like six to eight hours a day. That's mean no matter who you are right. But I didn't know that I was actually just talking about it in a recent video. That may let somebody else with my friend. Lolo and I was under the impression that every single person on this planet and also experiences chronic pain and I was just the only person who couldn't handle it so common. How old were you like when I thought that I was at least thirteen and when I was working like this this like turning point of like I should see a doctor when I was like twenty three so ten years you were like? I guess. Everyone's hurting yeah. 'CAUSE 'cause pain is so normalized you know especially for women and and and Anybody that's like not a man we're we're conditioned to believe that What's the what's the phrase Beauty is pain so that phrase so like like all these things I'm like. Oh so we're supposed to be in pain everything is supposed to hurt And I'm just the you know everybody else's right I am a psy- I can't handle anything or whatever eventually what was happening was my my standing limits With the pain felt like is I thought they were like. I thought that was like a cracked bone at the bottom of my And so I just again under that normalization of pain. I I kept doing things like oh I must be too weak to wear heels so let me bed. My boss nuts worth heels anymore aware pretty boots to work like. Please don't make newer heels anymore and like I did as much Adapting a likelihood beyond the exchange of heels is to boots. I asked my boss. Can I use a stool at hostess. Dan and even then what was happening was wow. I can't like it's it's hurting me. Even to just like walk somebody to their table to to given their menus So that's when I started investigating and that was a that was a big process of like I had to go to at least three doctors because the first one was like I don't see anything wrong. Just go home. Put your feet up. followed by a couple of other doctors. Who Like misdiagnose me and signed me up for an operation on my leg to like a fix? The Smith diagnosis diagnosis. They mistake those me With flat feet at reason why they thought I had flat feet feet is because so. EDS connective tissue disorder where it affects. It affects pretty much every part of your body but it the most people notice it I in their joints because their joints are too lax. So the glue. That's supposed to be holding your body together. They it's not holding your joints together properly So they're like that's why they might appear flexible. which is the wrong word? But you know I always use it for simplicity's sake people who are not familiar. So so what happens is like when they do the x ray or standing up so when I stand up the joints my feet. which if you don't know there's a lad of joints it's in your feet? They all kind of collapse into the ground Because the because right the joints are not strong enough to hold their our position they all just kind of bend downward with gravity So the x Ray. It looks like five feet. But if I'm like you you know lying down and taking an x Ray. That's not what the X. Ray is going to look like so they went in and they like they did a bunch of stuff like sliced into my cab and like surgery yeah whisk the thing is like because of that surgery I got more clues like doctors. Here here's the the fun fact about this whole thing is the doctors were never ever ever GonNa frequent help me like I had to do it myself. I had to research it myself. I I took the clues together. I had to be like you know the that. Like what is that. The Internet meme of the guy was like the post. Its on the cork board trying to connect all the dots together. Ah I had to be that person I had to like. Figure it all out by myself when I had that surgery. I got a couple more clues which which is So part of eds can be that anesthesia doesn't really work on you and local anesthesia and pain medicine. Like doesn't really work on you. Like freaking out. So it wasn't an issue of like. I woke up or anything during the seizure. They expected the anesthesia to last me for the night in terms of pain relief but when I woke up I felt everything as though I didn't have any anesthesia. Oh so So I was like I as I slowly waking up I- I slowly started like realizing how high pain levels were to the point that bought by the end of the evening. I was like screaming until I was too tired to scream anymore. More than I was. Just a like this silent shock like. I don't know how like what that's called but I'm still in pain but my body so exhausted of of making noise so I can only just open my eyes and feel the pain okay horrify. There's this thing that the physicians don't like when patients Google or research into their own symptoms because they find it annoying but then there's this thing where women specifically women of Color Colors specifically also disabled people have to work so hard to be listened to and to be heard and to get the right diagnosis. So can you speak a little bit about about that. Duality in my experience. So many especially in vol being like women so many people only benefited from doing doing research on their own. Because it's not like they're doctor was GONNA do it for them. It's not like it's not. We're not living in a world of house. M D where Orion doctors like you come in you say of a problem and your doctors like I will not stop. I figure out what is wrong with you no way. Hey they I tried so. Many doctors be almost just cruelly dismissive of whatever I brought to the table and also there's so many specialists no one is looking at the whole picture. A lot of the time. Yeah you have to like I before before doing this before. Like starting these. He's medical investigations and what was happening in my body I really thought that the world is like the rose by Dr House and you had like a team of people that like You know we're going to try and help you figure out what was wrong But I was like astonished at the just the fact that that I would have a specialist and they're all separated and they don't communicate so we saw there that that for me I was really. My doctors are not going to communicate. Its mind line job. It's it's me the six persons job to like continue to like play Messenger through all these doctors And try to piece the puzzle together Myself Yourself. I found eighty s on my own and then I started to bring that diagnosis to doctors saying. Hey I want to be tested for it and and again I was met with cruel. This mission With doctors saying things like The symptoms that you're describing or not possible I've had doctors. There's just laugh at me and say you know you don't have that And all you do just do a blood work to figure it out in my case. Yes because there's so many different types and unfortunately the most common type it doesn't have a blood test for it yet. You can the only way the most common types The only way to get that one diagnosed diagnosed as hyper mobile. Eds H eds You have to find a doctor that knows about it enough to clinically diagnose. Not right there in the office like just feel like you this Simpson Simpson and like count on a list of like. I think it was twelve. I don't remember And then at the end of the questionnaire INARA go well. That's what you have right. Yeah so this is the thing that you talk about a lot is that is that. There's this idea that doctors are all knowing God's and that civilians peons and that oftentimes doctor will not have even heard of. EDS or their disabilities or there are a lot of diagnoses diagnoses. where the doctor hasn't even heard of this and and I think like the the thing that people are nervous to do is to advocate for themselves? I think people say well if the doctor says that's not it then that's not it and it's like how do you how do you speak up for yourself. How do you tell people that are going through this like how? How do you notice? Speak up for yourself. In my case it was the fact that I was so while research I bet I did have The confidence to kind of be like My doctor occurs wrong period. Such a big journey just to get this big umbrella diagnosis. But there's still so many co morbid conditions burning stuff that's related to it That are undiagnosed but that I experience on a daily basis Like and I I'm not officially diagnosed with pot. which is very annoying? Because that's one of my more disabling conditions boxes pastoral or the static tech of Cardio Syndrome and What it means is that my blood vessels they They don't don't work too gray. And it's part of what limits my ability to stand up or even raise my arms up high or being hot temperatures because it'll ask eh trigger migraines nausea and sometimes fainting spells And so I deal with this on a daily basis but every time I tried to get tested for it I get rejected so Different things a big again against the issues like not finding doctors that like know enough I forgot it to to test before it And and then one of the things that actually scares me is that the test itself could make me sick or one of the first test is Not the first test but one of the test is called the table test. Where you you lie down on the table that tilts up and down and basically like I said the blood vessels they they're kind of swooshing your blood around your body too fast. And that's what makes you so sick and faints a and whatever ever So they'll slip you upside down than right side up upside down right side up and basically make you sick in order to prove that you're sick So and I feel like if I do a test like that I'm like you're gonNA knock me out for a while and and I don't have time for that time to make myself sick To prove to you that that is what I have I can tell you. That's what I have So so I I'm like that was that's one of the bigger ones There's also like cognitive and mental health stuff that that I don't have diagnosis for are and like so. I can still relate to that undiagnosed feeling. How do we fix the relationship between disabled old people and doctors like how do we had? What what is what's missing I rolled my eyes and like oh well well. I think the first thing would be for doctors to be humble enough to take the critique. There's been so many like there's been a few different You know social media campaigns trying to get doctors attention it was a Hashtag. Doctors are Dickhead. I heard yes and that was I saw saw that and I and I saw that there was like equal pushback because I this is not nearly close to what I see you and other other disabled people go through but I talked about on a different podcasts and experience I had in the emergency room where I was basically laughed at ignored for hours while I had like a terrible migraine and and the response that I had someone respond being like Europe fucking pieces shed who doesn't respect doctors and you don't know what doctors go through and you don't know what emergency urgency people like room. People go through and I was like no. I don't but I also know that like I'm in pain on a mattress while a bunch of people stand over me and laugh like yeah so I want to send her stand that the the big problem there is. The power dynamic is how much power doctors doctors have in the lives of person and how they're neglect Is I don't know we don't. We're in a time where the Internet is so new and the Internet has taught us so much especially because of how we communicate with each other social media and through like Hash tags like got and So but what. We're seeing through that information right now. Is that medical neglect is more common than than people who feel safe going to the doctor right And and huge problem it's a power dynamic And it's a conversation that happened so much before the play feel assured enough to say that it's more common than not because when these kinds of Hashtag campaigns come around it you struggled to find one person who does not have a story of some kind of medical trauma that involved. Dr Being neglectful of being dismissive being gas flighty You know And the one doctors the daycares right so that was a I agree. So we're using some vulgarity there but what I thought was really funny was that these conversations have been happening waiting for years on the Internet. And it was only with the vulgarity that I guess some egos were You know knocked around a little and doctors did get get into the conversation but only proved the point right the point because they they then created a Hashtag to humiliate patients cultivations our deck has were they were they wrote stories about how patients annoy them. it's such a vulnerable position position to be going to the doctor and I don't. I don't think that's appreciated. Like even I and speaking of not being believed in stuff I mean I think it would serve People to examine their sexism and racism. Even like I've seen a lot of stuff recently about like fat phobia in terms of people right saying being told to lose weight and exercise and then it turns out they have cancer. Yeah I was just about to say that because that is one of the bigger ones like anything else affect phobias so so like prevalent in the medical field and so so many times and I see it and I see how harmful it is. Somebody will see it in the lives of people that I care about. That are very close to me. I've seen in my own life. How they put you on a scale see a number and then they tell you that in order to be healthy you need to get it down to would different number But nothing else whenever It happened to like relatives of mine. They come to me with stories like that. Ah Okay but did they say anything else about your actual health that they'd like talk about like your cholesterol health or anything else yelling. Having no just a number on the scale and they've decided that you're not healthy but they have to go off like or they're wearing actual symptoms. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's the other way. Absolutely is that bill. They so many people who are fat they They are dealing with realize illnesses. The doctors refused to look at because they'll blame any and any Disease either illness or condition on their weight right so it's it's a huge struggle again it's And I'm sure if we were to speak doctors which which I have you know there. There's definitely validity like oh they're burnt out there like right. Industry industry is is like Let's put credit where it's due right. They're they're overworked. Right as a bunch of a bunch of a bunch of elements that like makes mix their mental health and their You know what's going on with them absolutely valid however Some some kind kind of justice needs to be reached for all parties involved because people are sick and dying and dying like needlessly because of the neglect of doctors I was saying I. I was going through the medical system for like three years trying to find diagnosis. Even trying to find it. I found it like. How did you finally get the diagnosis? So I had accepted that I was in so much pain that I couldn't stand up for more than like and then it's a five minutes at a time I said fine I'M GONNA buy myself but you hundred wheelchair. I'm going to get around the world and wheelchair and I will figure out a new life. I will stop working in the Food Service Industry and sign myself a desk job. But if I want to do that I need to figure out my chronic pain in my back so when I went to see like Some kind of a neurosurgeon signing person. I was imploring with them. Like I think it'd be the s ask They were one of the people who set it. All they said your symptoms you're describing it is possible no it if you have that You know and then he had some kind of heaven remember. What the scan was? I'm I x Ray or something of my of my. Si joint and he he was really surprised to see that like essentially like all my joints were extremely far apart and he didn't understand how is walking on my SI joint right with in my joints being so separated Look like I'm walking on the list located hits right So I'm pointing at the scan like Sir Sir Sir I. That is like another dose another clue. That's another symptom of what I'm telling you. I think I have UGH and again. He likes shrugged me off then scare the book Jesus out of me because his follow up to you. Don't have that but here's what I WANNA do. I would like to set you up for an operation to use your joints together So when I heard that I had a huge meltdown in his office just sorta like sobbing and screaming and slamming my my hands on the desk like screaming things. Like you'd rather risk me being horizontal for the rest of my life than listen to me Because because that was scary he'd already given me like some injection. Like I think it was. I think it was steroids. And if it was that I leave steroids. royds break up Collagen the Collagen that I had that it's already defective. It would have been spread apart and it cut me horizontal bed for like ten. They told him that happened. That's one of the things you said. That's not possible with happens but it is if you have defective Paula. Jones your experiences into happened right right so I I was up in all the third. Call me a liar and Well that breakdown led to to a lady doctor coming in And asking why was crying and he continues like he has no shame in like muffing he he rolled his eyes throws up his arms. Up in the air And says she thinks she has ehlers download syndrome. Like I like you know like I have no idea what I'm talking about pretty much. Yeah and it's all your doctor said I never heard of that And she she instead of talking to him. Talk to me and says can you Case offer mad likes to look at us and I'm like through sobbing tears like right right now. And she's like it's okay honey. I got it and finds that he likes just briefly skins the the description of it and that she looks up the scan and the dude the sitting behind this desk in this long white co- and says she could have this now. My God bureaus is fine. I'll send her to geneticists which is what I was asking for the whole time and I finally laid take that then? This process takes a whole `nother year 'cause like to see it takes like half a year than the testament than the test to get. Bread gets like another half a year it was the star and So but finally like you know affirmation geneticist and I have my friggin three three inch binder full of stuff and and then ultimately you know like months and months and months of time went by And and yeah. She gave me the result and she liked. It was so weird because she kind of like skimmed over it or at least that's how I felt Because I just remember like she said it and I I lost the ability to like cognitively process anything so she kept talking and at the stock purview. Like wait wait wait so I have it right away Weird like just kind of a I. Guess the the only way I can describe it for now it's kind of that physical that physical Idea of like pushing a door really really hard and all of a sudden Somebody just kind of unlock the door and you fly through. Yeah did you go into that stupid doctor and tell him I. I don't know I was. I felt for a long time with the idea of doing that. But at the same time didn't really want to like I was in the head face like like I never wanna see your face again So think about that And being chronically overthrowing I have still assign they think about I have so much time to like. Think about everything not to say that. I'm not an extremely busy person because I am a lot of different ways but the isolation in which which I don't have to necessarily interact with people too often because of spending so much time like within the confines of my bedroom walls does leave as me with a bit of space and time to think about certain things And so even with doctors right like like I mentioned before I do try and like see the other side of things And not you know not move forward in my life with like hate in my heart about it. But I'm still eleo lead very angry about things and like you know slamming on the tables and demanding justice etcetera. I think we owe their like. You know the I wanNA see your manager sign off. Thank God you are like that is. I don't think you would have ever gotten the diagnosis diagnosis. It's crazy that that's what you had to do to get hurt. And that's the problem. Yeah I think there definitely needs to be there needs to be communication. There needs to be medical reform. Their needs needs to be so many changes in how we treat our doctors and how we I mean like doctors bosses and hospitals. Yeah We have been. I don't know for doing okay when we're just trying to do. Research advocate tours or selves There needs to be reformed changed and how doctors treat their patients now. They talk to their patients. They're like I don't know that they never had it but sensitivity training having some bedside manner. Right then not condescend and lock your patients. Are you kidding me. I think that's like the most basic the basic respect of a thing for Dr Not roll their eyes at a patient when their patient as saying I am mm suffering right. I can't believe that that's the thing I have to say. I can't believe that like a doctor ever GonNa do that but experienced at a handful a list of doctors who did that to me and my experience isn't isolated. My experience is a an extremely common one and that should be something that doctors Dr Year and are ashamed of and not like an old and I'm sure and I know I know there's these doctors Like I I struggled with talking about this because there are doctors in my family So again like why. I don't want to be like Adl title doctors. That's not that's not the end of the. That's not the finish line here the where we want to get to is that if you are one of the quote unquote good doctors doctors that you hold your peers accountable. That you that you're part of the atmosphere that you're part of the reform and you're part of making sure that patients are no longer harmed by medical neglect. Yes that is one hundred percent true so true that I have to ask if you WANNA play a game show the sharing all that. I mean it was amazing but I just have a strict order of things that we have to play to became show. This game show is called hypotheticals you and Gabby will be the contestants. I'm going to give you a series of hypothetical all situations. You can ask as many questions as you want and then I decide how it all ends our first game is would you stay there is any. Hey there is no way to. Would you stay with this cheater. Your significant other of thirteen years admits while sleep talking that they mixed up the address of craigslist ads and meant to go buy a couch and instead had a casual encounter with the Russian model. When you listen when you confront them about it the next morning they admit to everything in our so relieved you now know the truth? Would you stay with this cheater. They have mixed up addresses before Probably not you wouldn't stay with them I don't know Oh probably not. They said like the lack of trust thing that is also. Wow so they got there. They saw the couch wasn't for sale. But they I thought let me have sex with this person while the perseverance expecting them to have sex with them and they felt like it'd be rude to Tanaka through with. I'm sorry so you'd think someone who who has the fortitude to yell in a doctor's Office to get what she wants and needs would would be with someone who can even be like this. Is the wrong address. You know I have to ask the questions. It's the game I if my problem here is my partners inability to stand up for for themselves in a tough situation so I will be leaving our next game. Are you a terrible parent. Your child is afraid of flying fine but you really want to take them on vacation. Kay So one morning you drug them and get them on the flight. Oh my God. They don't wake up until you land in Bali in God are you a terrible parent. They will have to fly her weight. We don't have drugs in Bali. You couldn't bring them because of Customs. Oh my God how long the trip two weeks no. How long is the plane rows? I have no idea. I don't know ten hours. How old are they they are thirteen? Okay Yeah I can give them. This living fell on the way back. How how did how did you get a drug thirteen year old onto a plane because you just put them in a wheelchair and nobody asked a question? Wow any realistic realistic to you. I don't know pathetic goals so I'm not putting too much pressure on it. Does it seem like that would realistically stickler be the case. Come on no way back. They got away with it for a whole weekend. You know what that's fair after I do your is your kid. Happy to be in Bali. Yeah but the whole time. They're freaking out about having a fly back. I guess you live in Bali. Now you're a good parent and you live in Bali. Now you know what except that he got Sir final game would would you lie or tell the truth after months of having a crush on your co worker an endlessly flirting you to finally make out and it's terrible bowl. They are awful at kissing and have horrible breath when you out on a proper date and you decline they ask. Why do do you lie or tell the truth? Their breasts fish period period. Tell the truth you and tell them they're back kisser in their breasts. Smells like fish. Yes yes why because because you want to protect them from the next person or they're going to keep doing it over and over again. Oh I easy because because your ideas that this person will then go. Oh shoot I should learn how to kiss and also change toothpastes. They wouldn't it be just so devastated. Aided yeah you could have just said we work together I think. And what if you say. Hey Look I'm interested in you but these things we gotta work on these things you know. What a bad kiss with somebody and they smell like fish? You're not gonNA attracted it's an anymore you know you think you can have a really really bad. Make out with someone where they repulsed. You and then you get past that No no we've had this scenario actually. Has the situation like you never had a bucket or your life. I have have you have. I never told them. Now I mean but find having a hypothetical gets to be honest. I didn't realize I was just like I. Just like go. Sit them on foresaw. Hello this is you making up for that so random. If you were ghosted by anti now you know why your breath smells like fish. Thank thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your story. Where can people find you? I'm on any Aleni on all things With depth with to ease in the middle all one for Anne and one for Elaine it And on Youtube as any Aleni as well thank you so much for talking to us you really really really appreciate it. It had funding so much having big around after the break. We'll be talking all about going back to school. Welcome back to just between us. It's time for XXXXX XXX man. You really let me hang in there for a second. I wanted to create suspense. And so this topic is actually huge for you. It is you want to discuss So we're recording this on December eleventh. So I made a decision only a few weeks ago that I was actually going to go back to school and get a masters in clinical psychology jeep with a focus on marriage and family therapy so tell us the lead up or tell us the you know the beginning so when I was born born I So this last year in terms of my career has not been what I would want it to be Most days as I hadn't nothing to do I was pulling my hair out. I was making a lot less money that had made in previous years. I went out with a book proposal. I really really loved and as of right now. Nobody has has wanted it. I you know I tried to pitch things. I pitched a movie a bunch I picked. You know like like I was I was trying but it was. It was not working out for me and I was getting more and more depressed and I was getting More and more stir crazy and I really felt like like I was just sort of sitting in my apartment wasting my life and my brain And so I really kind of tackled with this idea of kind of like entitlement element like entitlement that I was going to get a show like because I'm I'm good at writing and I'd had success in the past that like of course this was going to work offer me like of course I deserve a show. I deserved to be successful. And then I had to be like Alison. Actually you don't deserve anything like that's not how life works like yeah. There's plenty of super talented. creatives out there who just like will never even have as much success as I've already had like So much of this is luck so much as timing and I can no longer just sort of like sit around waiting to get that call that will like change my life So I kind of was like all right. What the fuck do I do And and I thought about other jobs that I could get without having to go back to school and that was pretty much advertising. Jor Okay you know because I'm not like I just have a degree in screenwriting. What am I gonNA do right And I kind of tested the waters with that and the more and more I thought about what that day to day work would be like it. Just like wasn't exciting to me wasn't a passion. Yeah like to me that felt like only giving up. Yeah and instead I really need to think about like what it is a different path that also want to go down And obviously mental health has been a part of my life since I was four years old I have dealt with many mental health professionals along the way so many of them have helped me so much. It's something I talk about all the time. It's something I've been writing about more for alleged therapists I love therapists and I part of this journey was that with this book. Proposal was about Oh dating with mental illness and a big issue with it was like me writing it not being a therapist right so like how do you write about mental illness without being an expert on the topic. Okay I have other therapists support for the project but it was always this issue of like but I'm not the expert and so I kind of got to the place where I was like. You know what I think I actually do want to be the expert. uh-huh oh and part of it was my therapist just like being really supportive of this plan and like we talked about it a while ago. Like months ago and she'd recommended A A program at Antioch which is not the one I ended up doing but was basically like look like just like look into it you you know and then like months later I was like sitting there and I was literally thinking about going back to school for to become a therapist and then she said you know you should really. You should really look into that school again. And at the same time I had been thinking that and I was like Oh okay and so I feel like I talk a lot about about on this podcast like waiting until the thing feels right to you. Yeah like you know. Like don't force something and a few months go. It felt like forcing it. I felt like I don't WanNa go to school. Yeah I don't want to study I don't want to have homework. It's it's weird to go back to school sitting in her office on that day when she said that in my body I felt yes really. Yeah I really didn't care about classes or homework or any of that. I mean believe me. I don't WanNa do it but it suddenly felt right to me. It didn't feel a thing. I was forcing and I think that there's a lot going on here in terms of going back to school like one is. It's not full time. It's not like I'm moving onto college. Campus and like goodbye goodbye my career goodbye writing. It's like an evening program which is really important to me and uh-huh it's only two days a week for for most of the year though it's like I can still very much have continued to pursue what I wanted to pursue while also. Oh kind of getting this. This backup plan And also I think figure out a way to combine my two loves in interest like now in theory. I'll be able to write but also right as a mental health expert. Yeah I'll be able to create but also create with this background in knowledge. I'll be able to to speak speak about this stuff. Not just my own experience but as a professional yeah so it felt like something that would really add to what I've already doing instead of like thinking of it like Oh my God. I'm giving up right right right and it's something that you you really care about like. Do you think you would ever be people's therapists. Yes so I ah in theory right now. It's like a mix of things but I am very interested in opening Like a private practice for teenagers. Oh yes so. But that's years away like it's GonNa take forever so yeah yeah yeah a big part of it is like also learning patients. You know that like for years. It's just been like oh I just gotta get like that one call from this network executive right and money and then I get whatever and now it's like oh I know that nothing will come of this for years yet and that is an investments a totally different mindset. And it's like a it's like discipline and patience and also believing in a decision because like I mean I can obviously drop out but it's like it's a big time decision and I think I I feel like I've always been someone who like took risks six and made the tough decision and like when after what she wanted and I felt like that wasn't me anymore that you weren't doing that. Yeah like I felt like because I'd had some success I'd become ham lake Like compliant or I just been entitled or I thought that things were just GonNa happen like I would develop and work on stuff. But it wasn't like hustling I wasn't like hustling Salaam wasn't using my brain to the full extent of my brain and so I was like you know what I think I have to fucking do this. I have to shake things up I have to like I have to take this leap of faith. I have to like force myself to to get into a place that's uncomfortable Because like every time in the past that I've made that decision it's like improve my life. Life Yeah Yeah so this is more I mean going back to school I think is sometimes viewed as as like you said giving up but but it's not it's like my friends of mine in who have gone back to school. It's it's to move forward. It's to make a change in enhance. Yeah I don't know why we view education or continued education or academia as something that isn't worthwhile to pursue like of course it is. I remember when I was like twenty one and my boyfriend was thirty. Yikes but he was great. He was kind of like didn't know exactly what he wanted to do. And and my parents keeping like. Why doesn't he go back to school and he kept saying? Oh a thirties. Like too old to go back to USC really not not right but again like I had this misconception. That like it's too old like you know like in pocket change at any time. But that's what's been so empowering about this decision is once I made the decision. I felt so much calmer I felt so proud proud of myself. I felt like Oh. I'm taking the power back. Yeah like I am no longer just like in this going down this river in this boat in like who knows knows what the fuck is going to happen to me. It's more like oh I bought like a steering wheel you know and like you have control over exactly. Was it like a tough process to to try to figure figure out where you want it to go or what program or no so. That's part of why this worked out for me. It was so easy to lie to this program. La We got a couple of weeks. Like I was like I had to like write an essay and likes to references. And that was it. It was so easy and you didn't take the GRE. nope didn't take Jerry barely had to do anything. But I mean the the hard part is the program itself like. Yeah the hard parts of program itself and the hard part is Not Being afraid of doing the application not being afraid of submitting it right and like trusting being that my brain will wake up and be able to work that way again. That is the thing because like starting to do classes and homework again is it's terrifying. I'm so afraid I honestly I'm not thinking about it that much because I don't WanNA freak myself out. Yeah but part of it is kind of fun like you get a notebook and a book and you go and sit in a classroom. And you're like a nerd take notes. Well that's what everyone's wants been saying to me about graduate schools completely different than college or high school. Because you're in a different place you appreciate learning in a different way. Yeah and you're doing what you WANNA learn about out it's so focused and like specific to your interests and what you want to do and so it's like it's completely unlike college and I'm hoping that that's true true. Yeah I think part of what helped me was not over thinking the decision. Yes and just being like well this this makes sense and so therefore I shall do it instead of like pouring over the course list and being like oh no this classes statistics. Yeah I like. I'm like okay. Well when I have to take satistics I I have to take this ticks. Yeah I think they really have a limited view of who they are as people or what they're capable of doing like I couldn't possibly ably go back to school. I'm not this type of person but like you decide who you are. That's huge. That's really what I was trying to articulate earlier. Was that like whenever I've pushed the boundaries of WHO. I think that I am. That's where I feel like I flourished the most and I feel like I haven't done that in a while I was in a Rut and I had to do something like who the fuck knows tomorrow. I get staffed and I have to like defer my school and I'm maybe like one year I get an opportunity and I ended up not finishing the program like I have to also be okay with that. Yeah I have to be okay with the fact that I don't know what's going to happen but that I'm like I'm at least mixing things up in control taking control and setting myself up to have a backup plan because a lot of people can just like pursue their passion for years and like I think they're fine just like not fine but like they'd rather drive lift. Keep auditioning then figure out a second career. That would take up their life life and I realize I'm not that person like I can't live like that like I need stability and if I'm unable to find stability in The entertainment industry than I need that backup to feel safe and luckily you have something else that you feel passionate about. Yeah like you don't. That was part of it yet. I mean I like super passionate about the years of schooling and clinical hours. I'm going to have to do like I'm not like are you going to be Dr Raskin Skin. No it's not. It's not a doctorate. Oh how much I know about it that I like. Are you a doctor now. I like call you. I'm like I have a rash. You're like I am in school for family family therapy. I'm not a doctor but I just think that it's like I. I'm trying to not be like closed minded about what I can do with this degree. And Yeah Yeah. That's helping me a lot of thinking of it as supplemental versus like completely giving up and changing my life path. Yeah I mean you're not even moving. Yeah I'm not moving just going at night. I my mom says now I could be like Dr Phil. Oh have a show where I'm an actual purse like an expert burder professional again. I can speak to these things that I care about in know about personally on like a more global level. I guess you're learning I. I guess you've experienced the the mental health side of it but now you have to learn like the house in wise in all that of it totally which is which is a different print thing. I guess that's true. I would argue already an expert but thank you But yeah I mean I I think a lot of people are just scared to to make any sort of change because also I think they're worried about the judgment of going back to school And like the the judgment of any change. Right if someone's like want switch careers nine back to school. But if they're like I WANNA do a different from job I think people get stuck in like well but I'm not the type of person who could or I'm not the type of person who does this. I'm not the type of you know like or it's like I was just going going back to school. It's like oh I'm not an adult anymore. Yeah I I'm I'm taking steps backwards. I'm now a kid again. I now you know like it's I'm I'm not just like making money. I'm now like losing money. You know. It's just it feels weird and I have to like I have to just not let myself go there and I for whoever is in. I thought that it would like delay my relationship with Jake and I had to like ask him about then he really. Yeah for some reason. We can possibly get engaged if I'm in school like why not all the time and I was like well. I'm not a real adult famine school so we can't get engaged like that's bullshit and just like a weird rule I'm putting on myself for no reason and and anybody can go to school by the way older. We'll go back to school all the time. I don't know why we judge that. Like oh you want to a accumulate more learning ill like well. This program specifically meant for people who are working fulltime. Oh that's amazing yeah yeah. Why would we disparage that? That's admirable exactly like it was something something that made sense for me and I think that at first it was sort of like Oh really and now it's like Oh cool. Yeah you are you are the master of your our own future you control what like in certain capacities and in certain ways. You have more control than you think you. I think that's a big thing that people have to learn. Is You have more control than you think. And if you're feeling like you have no control do something to reclaim that control And like I you know I went and I. It dropped off a gift with our manager and like we were catching up about stuff news talking about the plans for me for like twenty twenty and in the past I would have been like. Oh Oh my God you have to get that job like if you don't get jobs it's my whole life like I know income nothing like like what is our plan but because now I'm going back to school I was saying there and I was like like okay like yeah. I hope that works out like that'd be cool. I was like I have another plan like longer. Just like a slave to the entertainment industry in in this way that was I completely destroying my psyche. Yeah especially in this industry because you have so little control over what happens next and I think that I can make a difference friends and I think I can live stuff and I think it's actually me rising to my potential instead of just like settling my laziness and I just can't be afraid of the work like I just have to trust that. I'm smart enough to do the work I'm like I'm pumped to do all the reading and pump to do all discussing. I don't want to write papers take tests. Yeah but I bet once you sit down you'll you'll just like breeze through them. Yeah maybe that's sort of what you're like though we'll see I'm scared but I'm just not letting the fear get in the way and that is the message here just between us So Anyway Shoutout Pepperdine for letting me in real quick forward to joining your ranks. What's the what's the mascot at pepperdine could not not tell you you got to look up pepperdine mascot? Why because because then we say go fighting pepper shakers therapists? Oh my God hold on. I'M GONNA look it up pepperdine mascot and it's a Christian school it's Kinda freaks me out. Well either wave yup go go waves. I wish I didn't know that actually really to me go. You WanNa come on and tell us if you're going back to school. I wish I kind of wish I could really why I mean I've always loved learning learning. Is I feel like a privilege brother in a write in America so I've always appreciate it being able to learn. That's the thing I forgot to touch on was like the financial aspect of it and then I'm very lucky that that is not an issue in that my parents will be helping me out. That makes it much like easier suggestion suggestion and I have to pay them back versus like the government that will keep increasing how much I owed them. Yeah the Yeah I. Guess I'm I mean I was using education as a stand in for like bettering yourself in learning more and not necessarily the the educational institutions which will take your money. But I mean I we can always go back to school. You could get a duo lingo APP. You could Start reading books about a certain topic. Could you never. It's never too late to learn some stuff for sure and Like what allison is doing is pursuing a passion which is really awesome like Having having a passion that you can like dedicate a certain amount of time and be around people with the same interests. I think that's really great. Yeah we'll see maybe I'll flunk out. Whoa wow and then you get to be kind of like a leather jacket? You put the collar up. And you're like Amoco of Grad School drop-out Baby. That's a new podcast. It on your Harley or whatever I assume cool dropouts do I have a very nine hundred fifty s view of dropouts. What else did we learn this episode? So Oh my God i Love Anne and I love her her the way that she bravely talks about this stuff and speaks up and tells her story and I just think that so many people feel so disempowered and the way that she talks makes people feel empowered. So I just I learned. I learned so much about what needs to be made better and about medical abuse abuse and medical trauma. Like it's just. You're not alone if you're listening to this. Basically I can't imagine going all those appointments Solo. Yeah having being an advocate with you like a friend or a family member right like I guess I would say like if you can possibly bring someone with you do that APP because it's harder to gaslight to people yes I know yeah that is the thing and sometimes you don't feel comfortable speaking for yourself but you feel comfortable speaking up for other people or other people feel more comfortable speaking for you there should be like advocacy groups that like will accompany you. I think there are two doctors appointments. I think there are people that do that. Yeah that sounds important and like that that would have maybe helped. Yeah it's just so like crazy that people are like no these. These human beings must is be God's when like everyone's a person like people fuck up at their jobs all the time. You can't just assume that someone is GonNa be the be all end all of knowledge on this thing when we're we're all just like flawed people think it's a catch twenty two where you have to have pride to think you can be a doctor and then you're from being a good doctor. Yeah Longer your doctor I soon you look at it as a job and not as passion I mean not everyone even comes into it looking at it right. We're doing something or like. Yeah yeah or then. It's just suddenly like I got A. I want to go home. And that's because an Annie's right it's also also because they're overworked and there's like long hours and you're on call for forever and yeah it's just like not set up for anyone to succeed basically an and and it's also I think like often about people who English isn't their first language and they go to the doctor and they have to advocate for themselves but they they don't you know there's a barrier there too you like I. I think about even like you know how much harder it would be at the doctor to try to describe what was going on and like I'm lucky enough to like. Speak the language of this. It's just like it's just not set up. Well just very scary. What do we whether we rate the episode irate it eleven out of seven evil doctors? Ooh Ooh Evil Dr Voles far with evil funny and I did. I go too far. With a timely Austin powers. Reference went too far back. Yeah I got it okay. Well let's not so shagadellic baby. Yeah I read it. I read it eight out of eight keeping your jealousies to yourselves elves. ooh that was really good advice. Yeah keep it. That's a good thing with anything that you're working on is kind of keep keep it to yourself for a month and see if if it has less power over you. Oh I love that. Thank you seem like you would probably make a good therapist. What what do you rate? It skips she's looking at her papers. I'm GonNa you say I gave it five out of five textbooks or digital textbooks. Whatever they do these days because I wish you luck? I think it's going to be really good. Oh thank you you. You're GonNa do great did you. Have you gotten some really good pens. Okay well there you go very good then. You're fine that's all you need to be a student and I think that's what I'm banking. Thank you so much to any cigar for being our guest just between us. It's hosted by me. Allison Raskin me Gabby done our engineers Justin Asher Brendon. Burns composed are killer theme music producers to meet go other spin and are supervising producers. Josephine Martorana our executive producer. Chris Bannon Bannon just between us is a production of stitcher. I got to learn how to raise my hand again to speak. I can only speak when I raised my hand. Now I guess that is the rule AH stitcher.

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The Non-Prophets 20.05 2021-01-27 with Puck, Kenneth Leonard, Jim Barrows and Phoenix

The Non-Prophets

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The Non-Prophets 20.05 2021-01-27 with Puck, Kenneth Leonard, Jim Barrows and Phoenix

"And we are the nonprofits a show where we discuss current events and social issues from a skeptical human perspective from the lakes of minnesota to the hills of tennessee from california to new york island. Why don't any of these songs ever mentioned ohio. I guys are you all doing today. It's good to see you all again today. How about this so ourselves. Starting from all the way on the other side will save our guest. The best for last jason has on time no see been awhile. It's good to have here. What you've been up to work on is started up my own youtube channel then working on that a little bit and i've also started up an apprenticeship with a blade smith so Is that what. I think it is. Are you actually making swords and knives. Yes meddle into insights okay. Yeah we're one of the fortune fire champions. I'm trying not to be a little frightened about that. That's that's awesome and terrifying. Same time good. Good way to start. You can never be too prepared right. I'm jim what sort of medieval hobbies have you been getting into lately. Why i mean. I did renaissance-era sorted play for fifteen years as for twenty years. So i've done any of that in about five ten so you know. There's a big difference between learning how to make them learning how to them correctly chelsea. You've been doing Got the debate with dean meadows on the kilom- and hosted expe- Trying to do a little bit of ceylon. When i can. And that's about it and now we have our special guests who. I'm glad the bribes finally went through and we really get him in here. This an honor to be hosting while with kenneth leonard. Kennel kenneth introduce yourself. Oh jeez well. I have no sword play experience whatsoever so i i'm the least like combat ready of the whole group but Yeah so i. I have a youtube channel. It's all about skepticism and humanism. And i've done a lot of Lot of interviews. On my channel with folks. Like belkin had eric murphy on there and bianca and aren ron just great folks. We're just trying to to promote skepticism as much as we can over there. And what are we chopped atheists. Why don't we get invited to the coal parties. It's only a matter of time. It's that's the deal okay. well Because of the little debacle that we had two weeks ago with my Last appearance i was of told that i could only make an appearance if i read from the following prepared statement so the nonprofits is a product of the aca five one c three nonprofit organization dedicated to the separation of religion and government and promoting positive. Atheism you can support us on page on at patriotair dot com slash the nonprofits. Tell us what you like. What you don't like in the comments or email us at nonprofits at atheist dash community dot org. Well we got a lot on the docket today. We're going to talk about some hyun on conspiracies. We're gonna talk about pseudoscience. And maybe have some time to talk about pardons but first. Let's talk about the most diverse presidential cabinet in history. Who here's is excited about this. I am it is actually considering where we came from right and i think we all have our favorites but my personal favorite is choosing a native american to be the to be the secretary of the interior. What were your initial thoughts when you first saw the announcement of who is in the cabinet Phoenix star honestly for the. It's really a blow back to our Kind of the origins of the country the original founding motto of the country was he purpose unum. you know. From the many one it was the motto of the country was the melting pot of ethnicities cultures religions. You know the whole the whole gamut of human interaction. you know. we're all here together. Where all americans. That was the founding principal of our country. So having much more diversity you know bring us back to the roots of what our country was actually founded on. So i i'm loving it any particular name standout to you or or any trends. Come out that you were particularly fond of not really particularly I'd i don't really Hone in that ned. Deep into the politics mostly go okay. Here's an issue in an all focus on the issue but the the players for some reason. Just don't stand out to me that much the mind works. It's weird mind works no school there. There's some issues with this. We have plenty of time to talk about it. But i just wanted some first impressions. Jim what were yours. Holy smokes are qualified. Honestly it sounds really bad to say this. But i don't care that much that it's a diverse cabinet. I care much more that these are highly qualified individuals respected in their fields and then put into positions that go with er fields right. I mean we don't. We're not putting a housewife and Professional shopper in as department of education. Right we have someone who actually has degrees in experience with education so that was for me. The big thing is they're all qualified And that is incredibly awesome that they're also diverse and bring all of that experience To their jobs as well is compared to the previous administration the icing on the cake Which is different because previously. This would have been the cake. And the fact that they're qualified would have been kissed expected not even icing just part of the kink But now it's it's definitely you know. We have qualified people who are going to do. Stop assuming they all make it through their confirmation hearings which they seem to be doing so far. So yeah Competence concept you know now that you mention it. I haven't paid any attention to the confirmation votes but from the ones night saw they were really no contest. There's there's no real controversy between this kid. Anybody verify that looked into it. A little more haven't had i haven't seen anything yet. They've all. I think everyone needs put put forth his Gotten confirmed Normally i mean the big thing is normally. they'd all be confirmed by now or most of them would be confirmed by now but Until we got the fifty fifty split in the senate Mcconnell was as usual drag. Not do anything. So kenneth your take on the cabinet. I mean there's two thoughts immediately. I mean when you talk about figures like ms devos. Jim referred to i mean you've got removing from cabinet officials who were actively trying to dismantle the agencies that they were put in charge of two people who want to build them up and carry them forward for the purposes that are meant to to serve for for us. You know as the american people so it's like moving from having an arsonist as your fire chief that having like a guy who wants to put out fires. It's it's night and day and you mentioned like you mentioned what we're coming from and like the cabinet that were coming from was like is white and it's like it's like a nineteen fifties sitcom when the the lead guy would go into his bosses about getting a raise and she was like twelve stuffy white dude's roundtable removing from that to something that looks more like america which is nice so very very competent people saw. Yeah and it's it's it's great When you ask people standing out Eric lander at the office of science and technology policy. That's that's huge filling a seat that Was was vacant for a couple of years under the previous administration Good thing to have someone advancing science and technology. Seems like a no brainer but Yeah it feels awkward that we need that as a cabinet position. It really does like the what. I was reading about the science teachers they really. It seems like a given but no where in america so no. It's just that it's that you know. The president has so many things to focus on having a someone who is focused on science and technology to advise him. Because you know no president can bring about everything. So he's got to have a cabinet in there and filling the position and then listening to the person Science technology is absolutely yeah awesome. And he's sort of relate. I mean did you hear what dr fauci said. The other day in the press conference when he was he looked like first of all. He looked like he was twenty years younger than last time. Right and we're we're working for people who when they don't know the answer they'll say i dunno instead of making something up for pretending that they do and anybody who watches. Aca content knows that around here. People are big fans of saying. I don't know when you don't know something because that's the first step towards knowing something so it seems like progress. I remember watching that that press conference with him and it was like it was like fouled. She unleashed right. It was like five. Well i keep watching all the press conferences waiting for the blow waiting for the denial of facts and the hiding of information. And it's just the complete opposite is like what. Is this strange sorcery. I'm not sure what's going to happen. So the fact that they're you know that they're fairly been all that Happening every day. There's no contention between anybody there. It's just yeah it again. This goes back to confidence. You have someone who knows how to communicate and communicate well and doing so. It sounds to me like you know. She meets with biden before she goes out. And make sure that. She's you know that there. Everybody's on message. She's bringing out experts. I mean vow. What what what. Whoa you're describing. Basically what a press secretary is just supposed to do. But when you compare that to the likes of i like sean spicer and whoever was most recently. It's such a shocking turnaround. Been addicted to white house. Press briefings ever. Since i started watching the west wing and realizing wait a second. This is a really good resource for people to know what the message coming from. The white house is and having things like youtube and the internet just makes it even more accessible than it ever was. I think it's wonderful and one of my big things about going from the last cabinet to this one is how many people were actually involving themselves in the conversation of who is actually in these cabinets. There were a number of people who until the last The last administration didn't even know there was a department of education until a person who had no business being in charge of it was put in charge of it and then suddenly. It's like wait a second. We need to pay attention to these things. Also so at the very worst. Thank you for that to that. Last administration for bringing light to the fact that these positions exist and these positions are worth talking about when things run smoothly enough in the background. People stop paying attention to him because they just just accepted as a norm it it just fades into You know fades into white noise in the background of our day to day lives so like the most beautiful thing about competency is. It's just so boring. And i can't wait for just to be able to go days at a time without worrying about things because you know one. You've got competent people in positions of authority. And there's there's this with the press secretary with transparency from administration. This opens the door to accountability. Which is the whole point of having the kind of government that we have is supposed to be. That informed citizens can hold their leaders accountable and we can only do that if if it works both ways. So it's it's exciting. Yeah the other thing too. I've noticed that we don't have anybody attempting to walk back. Explain away or comment on random tweets at three. Am from the president. I saw that on twitter. Someone was like the president is not live. Tweeting fox and friends does he even know how to president and it was like yes. Great well there is one position speaking of cabinet positions that Biden has not filled in that is pillow manufacturer advisor. Just when you think we're about to have a serious conversation. Here comes jim with mr pillow. So let's let's talk a little bit about diversity and let you know for anybody in the audience who is wondering. What's the big deal. Why is it such a big deal that so many Diverse backgrounds are represented in appointed offices. Like this There's a principle in software engine. Called many is make all problems. Small and basic refers to you that the more people you have looking at a problem from many different viewpoints as possible the more likely or to solve it so when we talk about the department of interior being headed up by native american you know there are issues at the native americans have that only other native american is going to understand the importance out and so now you have someone who can actually understand that for this folks but also can understand how everything else works because they're competent. They're educated and they know what's you know. They know how to do their jobs. And they know what what's going on So that is you know that. Different viewpoint is vital. Not only for for the people of that ethnic background but also for everybody else's while kenneth what's your take well i mean there's so much value i think people know sort of complaining On social media about how. The candidate is even diverse. It's not sort of an accurate representation of the demographics of the united states To which i say that's not the point. There's there's tremendous value in putting people who come from from ethnic groups graph groups that have been traditionally marginalized put putting those people in positions of authority and power putting them front and center. I mean i. I saw a graphic other day. That was showing. It was all the vice presidents and then there were they highlighted a few and it was like up until this guy. Kamala harris would have been a slave up until this point come wouldn't have been able to vote and it's it's more recent than people think it's it's it's all i mean frightening is there's there's there's so much value in addition to the diversity of viewpoints in just making a servant ethical statement of being like this is this is a reflection of our values. And that's that's what the cabinet is. It's it's a direct reflection of the values the administration. So what seems to be. The case is that the president is saying i value putting people in positions of authority. Who would not have had a chance up until now and i. I just think it's fantastic. Phoenix i'm not sure what else i can add to. What's already been stated. Both ed jim kenneth covered that pretty. Well but yeah. It's the whole point. I've diversity is inclusion and when you're dealing with a governing body that inclusion is so that you can take into account the viewpoints of even the of even the minorities if you only have majority represented. Then you're not. You're going to end up getting majority rule as the typical mindset of in our governing body and that pushes the minorities off site and there there needs. Don't get met when they're not being represented at all is still having. I mean I know they liked her. Like i know people like to argue that the majority it's not fair having the majority Getting the same representation as the minority group. But that's again not the point. It's having you're having each side represented having their viewpoints represented so that the whole entire Governing body can actually way the viewpoints to make sure that no-one under there purview actually ends up getting pushed to the side. Yeah i have a particular soft spot because of where i Went to school and grew up in alaska For native alaskan. Even though i'm not native alaskan myself when you're living in alaska where only very recently did a non natives even become a majority of the population. But they were always the majority representation in government. Right and alaska is so gigantic And every single one of those alaska natives is an american citizen to that deserves just as much representation as anybody else but to see how underrepresented they were for a long time. It was important that they had advocates in government of people who could speak for them and and who Lived in had lived in these situations knew it was like to to live in bush communities and the kinds of things that they would need to be brought up to to state council Too city councils and to me that's why does diversity is to make a point number one to to have these voices in the cabinets listened to and number two to show to the american people. Hey i am actively making it. A point to try to listen to as many diverse voices as possible There's an article here from The bbc links in the description. We're actually says this that that A lot of this is a statement where it's a statement that you're making about what your administration stands for. And if i'm interpreting this in the way of We want to hear from as many diverse voices as possible. Well then props to that but there is one voice that i'm not seeing here. And that's us nonreligious and atheists true and that got a reaction from everybody that that's that stunned everyone where you guys not expecting to walk home every single time i hear. Yeah yeah too. I think at this point given where we were where we are. Pretty darn good. We go from a president who trashed every minority and every non european descent Background he could to one who's trying to represent all backgrounds And i'm actually not that upset about it today. Now next administration we want to see more. We want to move forward. But the bar was set so for solo By the previous administration that I'm really happy that the bar has been moved to a point where almost where it was. And maybe we can move forward from there show. Yeah i'm kind of okay with it just because we we went backwards there for a bit. Now as far as the Nonreligious representation in this country. I think it's mostly just a matter of awareness. And i'm glad to see that you know we have so many Individuals and organizations now starting to raise awareness. But if you really think about it the the numbers for Believers in this country were next to nothing until about the time the internet caught on and became a household thing at which point. The percentage of of atheists in this country has gone up by about one percent every year. Ever since. that's correlation that necessarily conversation but good says but we're now we're now almost at full third of the of the population We are not. we're more than a quarter it. we're almost out of third. It's not an insignificant portion of the country but the awareness of it. The it's change. The dynamics have changed so rapidly. That i don't think most of the people in in this country outside of our A little Our little nisha of youtubers that actually communicate this stuff. They're at each other Are that aware of it yet. So kenneth atheism in the cabinet. Yeah i see. I think biden himself. I mean biden's like a president biden is like He's like a a kindly old catholic. Grandpa and i think that he sees himself as an american. I and as a as a catholic second is is the the reading. I i could be wrong about this but that that seems to be the vibe that i get because he is he seems to be committed to representing people not advancing particular religious agenda. And even though i mean the inauguration felt a little some of the religious stuff felt a little heavy handed to me. But again i mean i i think jim nailed it. I mean we we. We've come so far and There's a difference between being a guy who values diverse viewpoints wants to make sure everyone gets a seat at the table and also in the back is sort of culturally catholic versus a guy who every seat at the table is like an evangelical who wants to dismantle public schools so it's It is progress and we do seem to be trending in a in a positive direction. So i'll take what i can get at this point. you know. At the inauguration a lot of people were a lot of atheist kind of perturbed it biden swearing on a bible in the whole scoring end processes symbolic to begin with so the symbolic of the president's swearing on something that he hold. Dear hemp is okay with me. I liked that some biology in fact but is the and the fact that it wasn't just a random bible it is. It looks like the very first bible. Was that a gutenberg bible. That was that was his family bible. That's been a generation. His family get the first bible as i wanted to. Halt it was. I mean it. Yeah and it it. It's an heirloom. It is something that meant something to him. over and above that. So you know it so that to me was okay. I was okay with that symbolism of because the oath is not magic. The oath isn't going to do anything you know. He's simply affirming that he's going to do what he said he is going to do. And and that. So i'm okay with the wholesome. Biology that I would like to see an atheist president And i would hope that that atheist president would either you know which we're on. Wls personal to that You know again to continue that some So when it comes to to to religious views. It's one of those few things that you can look at a person and unless they told you or gave you any sort of outward indication. There's no way you could tell what their religious beliefs are right. It's something that like anybody could be anything especially with as much information as there is in the world you could learn to be pretty much whatever religion you want to get into so it. Then it's just so to me. It speaks more to the actions. And what you're doing and one of the executive order so assigned was one that specifically said That that the nonreligious Have just as much rights as any other member of any other religion. So i'm glad to see that. That's at least there but i am curious as to what it's going to take to get actual out nonbelievers into office. My thought has always been to start from the bottom of the ballot In order to get a seat on the deer park city council the last person who got to cede ran unopposed and only got forty seven votes. So if i can just round up forty eight people. Then i could get myself a you can do it. I can't count on school boards and lie. Kim the senators who are out atheists And some of them from you know fairly religious states So or an congress people members of the house and the senate who both Openly atheist we have state level of senators and members of the state level houses who were also that And so if you want that kind of thing they needed to make sure that when you hear about a campaign that you're contributing what are you can Time money Let your friends know Any of those types of things and help those folks out because it's all about money when you're in politics. Does you need to buy advertising your need to be able to get out in an people and get your message out and all that tax money so if he wanted to see that yeah start local Start with yourself if you can. But don't forget to go look at the national level and see what see who's out there so and we actually got some new faces out there to This time so. And and i would be remiss about having any conversation about this without bringing up Hammond meta is keeping track of a rather a robust and thorough list of nonbelievers in public office. i could probably find linked to that but People on twitter. Every so often in. I'm pretty sure there's a website that you can go to find this this list wits. It's getting there. And we're getting there. And i think we just need to have someone who's really out about not just happens to be non-believer but is actively campaigning for non believer. 'cause that'd be awesome i would. I would enjoy it to see a candidate like that but okay so we talked about all the fun. Happy stuff nulla sock but the people who are not very happy. Kenneth tell us a little bit more about q. In hunt Okay so when. I was when the was. It's all about the segues on this show. That was that was that was great so i was reminded of There was a debate. That prescriptions did a long time ago where We've all seen this move in debates where the opponent was like. Well you know being a non believer that leads to look at stalin and pol pot and hitler and millions of people being killed and and the ramp assessing stalin and higgins responded by saying that in russia for hundreds of years leading up into the the beginning of the twentieth century. You had millions of people who were told that the head of the state was supernatural. That czar wasn't just a king but like literally stood between heaven and earth and this belief was inculcated in generations of russians for hundreds of years. So if you're joseph stalin who himself was a seminarian you you shouldn't be in the business of totalitarianism. If you can't exploit this agents call it a ready made reservoir of credulity and servility. So you have social movements that very much resemble religions and america has been sort of ripe for the picking for something like he went on to take root for those who don't know if you've been living under a rock Cunanan is this conspiracy theory sort of. It's a lot of conspiracy theories all together. A basically alleging that there's this secret society of satan worshipping cannibal pedophile. Who run the world that they were plotting against president trump. Who was gonna be like. The the central figure fighting the sadness pedophile cannibal people And these people have been following Postings on message boards from this figure who goes by q. Who's been making these predictions prophecies if you will that have reliably failed Things like how a twenty seventeen hillary clinton was gonna be arrested How you know biden was definitely not gonna win the presidency. And then when he did win it was like well. Okay but the you know the the military is going to mobilize and trump's going to march for mar-a-lago and reclaimed the capital. And there was all these. There's all these far fetched predictions. That were made. That didn't come true so surpassed they didn't country and so ap was reporting on this In the link to the article right so the title was inauguration sows doubt among cunanan conspiracy theorists And basically these people are part of a religious movement essentially that is colliding with failed prophecy in real time. And you've got these. I mean tens of thousands of people struggling mightily with cognitive dissonance right now because they fully believed that they were going to see events playing out in a particular way and then they didn't which it for them must be just horrific and also from the outside is it sad and also objectively hilarious as happening. So yeah. I don't know how much you guys are paying attention to this but The storm that the q. Folks were waiting for Didn't happen it didn't even drizzle didn't even drizzle visit. It was like all those games they prophecies. You know the end of the world's coming on you know february fourth nineteen eighty two. And then everyone's like y'all hey we're getting ready for it and then it doesn't happen the most exciting thing that's happening in the queue role right now the thing that i. I'm really rooting for them. To do is to create a third party. I really incredibly awesome to do that. Because historically third parties split the vote of the party that that Of wherever they're closer to so you know. Third party presidential runs to Roosevelt running for the bull moose party split from the republicans gave the victory to woodrow wilson. Simply because he split the vote We've seen that in twenty Twenty not not just twenty sixteen but before that we've in a number of occasions for a third party candidate has for the that split the the democrat set and gave the republicans are victory so please republicans split off. Make this third party candidate Really work for you. Hook guys rice lots of money and you keep that going. Because that pretty much guarantees the democrats will will win. Every time saw. I'll tell you. I i read a lot of reporting on this this week and actually Even there's an ongoing series that just began yesterday that as being done by vice media. They're really doing a deep investigation into the stuff and trying to figure out who this fella is right and reporters estimating that the the cunanan conspiracy theorists make up ten to fifteen percent of the. Us population people believe in the stuff from one degree or another. We're talking about thirty million people. It's donated will have a mouthful of orange soda. It's gonna get all over the microphone and keith. It's incredible and this is the whole point about this. This this vast reservoir of credulity that we have in the united states That that failures of critical thinking skills failures of skepticism. To kind of blow my little horn over here. This is where it goes. It goes to the guy with the buffalo horns on his head. You know nancy pelosi's laptop. It's nuts and these people. I mean there it is is a social movement is an identity movement. People are deeply attached to these beliefs. It's it's going to be very interesting to see where it goes I used proponent of this just kind of petering out very quietly just like all those people who thought that december twenty first two thousand twelve was going to be the last day and it just kind of came and went with no major catastrophe and we just kind of went on with our lives and everybody who thought that just kind of stopped talking about it and we were all just normal people again after that but you bring up a couple of interesting points. First of all that this is not an insubstantial share of the population. This is thirty to forty. I try not to use the word on this one because it hurts million people who believe this. It's your it's your neighbors it's your. It's your siblings. If i mean i i it's every everywhere i have family and co workers that are off the deep end and they're spewing out although conspiracy theorists stuff left and right and it. It's horrible because i try talking to them and like okay. I'll try this socratic method with them. You know how do you know this. Where'd you get this information from. It's like okay. Where did you get this information from lies from the left is like you got the information that this is. The the election was a fraud from lies from the left. This does not make any sense and also. How did you validate this out. You and it just degrades. I'm sitting there. I'm having a conversation with my uncle on on facebook both there. And i'm watching him. He starts up kind of coherent. You know is original statement. Make some kind of sense I do some fact checking on what it does. Show him that. I found and it starts degrading and i can see him getting more and more emotional and his sentence structure is faltering apart. Where he's starting to at starting to write like trump tweets by the end of it and it it ends with him euless. Shit fact checker. Your i i quit. You know what. I find myself feeling bad for the i mean you have all these all these people who i mean if you believe and if you sincerely are convinced that there is this couple of pedophile. The that are. I mean that that sort of at the center of all the accused of is it's like human trafficking and and and you know all these claims that there are these vulnerable people being harmed so at the route. You've got people who you know they ostensibly care about other people they want to prevent suffering you know and they're mobilizing and but around this these ideas. That aren't in any way rooted in fact or reality which matter but it's like people storming the capital you know if these people believed that their democracy was being stolen from them in real time and they had to do something about it. I empathize with them to a certain degree These people are victims of of a system. failed them and educational system social system. I mean these. These people are floating in the breeze and sort of nefarious actors are ready to snatch them up and give them purpose. It's it's it's scary stuff and even scarier is is if something happens that they're not expecting because if you are very public and very vocal about some prophecy and then it doesn't come true you have to decide what you're gonna do it and you can either try to sweep it under the rug and make another big prophecy and pretend the first one didn't happen kind of like as a misdirection and i i would assume that this works on a certain subset of the population or you can do what. What did these guys are doing. Apparently which has red con. I actually saw one post something that said Oh i wish. I could read. That forbade him it. Said something like on on january fourth president biden and kamala harris and about half senate were actually arrested but then they and of course. They're not clear about vase. They decided that it would be too much of disruption would cause the for war so they are going to be allowed to appear as if they are doing their jobs but really secretly. donald trump is still. The president is still running shadow president. He was the shadow president. And it just it. It strikes me as bizarre. How much mental gymnastics people are willing to do to still make it. Seem like they can trust whoever they wanted to trust. Are the whole face off. Conspiracy is also a testament to the backfire on hawaii. We should be when we're engaging with Gauging with people on anything we should be very very cognizant of the backfire affect disaster. We're saying we're seeing people who are being confronted by reality they don't like and they're digging in and that is the is they double down. They they become more rooted in conspiracy. And so you know who's arguing logic trying to get into the facts will do that. Who has a you know a Or socratic method style of arguing or debating. Works much better because you don't engage that backfire effect And now we're seeing with a lot of these folks Because not only do we have. Did you take ten to fifteen percent. numbers that. I've been seeing in everything that i've read this in a couple of weeks. Yeah but we also have cunanan conspiracy theorists and supporters in congress members of the house and senate. These people are getting elected. And what's worse is given the the wreak the the screaming for recall from their states. It sounds like the voters may not have even now. And how does that have right. How do you not know that. Somebody's accused on supporter when they shouted from the rooftops so to speak on their social media. Americans aren't they're not. They're not reading the news. They're they're they're watching the bachelor. I'm i'm one of them in. The system only works with the with an informed electorate. So it's it's so crazy when you're talking about with street epistemology. Is i read a fascinating thread on reddit. That was by a cunanan supporter. Who had been de radicalized and the guys specifically shouted out anthony magnabosco and talked about street epistemology being useful in conversations with people i find myself increasingly asking them at the beginning before we go any further to to give me that rating of how much do you care if your beliefs and things that you say are actually true and trying to establish some sort of baseline because the whole lure of conspiracy thinking is that it provides a person with a sense of security. It's like you know you've figured it out. You know you're on the right side of of this battle right and you see on hosby and moved around and it makes you feel safe and if you value that feeling of safety more than the truth than the it's gonna be a rough conversation it also makes me feel special because it's like now you're part of the group that actually knows and everybody else doesn't ride. Tribalism is a huge thing as well but With with my parents who are don't think they're quite killing on. I try not to talk politics with them. Because it'll just kits related to blow everything up 'cause it always does but my mom went in you. Know she doesn't trust wasco. She doesn't trust new york times. She doesn't trust The world health organization. I was like well. When did you stop trusting those people. Because i remember you quoted in them entrusting their them as trusted sources growing up and relatively recently and she says oh. I don't know. I just stop as what had happened to be right around the time. Trump started calling them enemies of the state and enemies of the people and she never answer that question. I'm okay with that rate And i think that's something we have to show get comfortable with especially on social media and people. We don't really want Piss off if they stopped talking they're probably thinking about it for if they changed the subject. Don't keep trying to nail the monnet in many cases with folks because the question is there. It's on their mind They're choosing not to answer. Which means is going to be on their mind for a little bit. And you just gotta keep chipping away with those questions. You know what what makes you think that. The new york times is worse than fox news or less wrestler than fox news. You know so and it'd be okay with them not answering and just walking away from you because that happened and this is why i love working with nonprofits because like my my big thing that i love pushing whenever i get to have. This microphone is not. Just what's going on but what we can do and it seems like all of us have experienced talking to someone who at least partially buys into some of these theories and learning how to talk to them in a way. That's actually going to make a difference of we have these opportunities to engage. They're showing up there showing up at our dinner table if not our facebook group chats right. They're everywhere and by learning how to have the conversations and by being willing to engage in the conversations. Were slowly chipping away at that. Let's see if we can bring that percentage down to single digits. By the next time i'm allowed to appear on the show again so so we have to deal with maybe ten million people that are going into it but it is shocking that it is such a a minority. But it's such a vocal minority that we hear about and let this be the the indication that the decisions are made by the people that show up and if these people do decide to show up but we can do is show up in greater numbers there are of us and if we get our heads together and start engaging with these people in our one on one conversations show them. It's like hey guys we need to talk about this. Tell me what you're what you're thinking. Well the not only a think more vocal than we are but also there about our story right which is not newsworthy. Man bites dog is so when you've got some wack job with m16 on his back dressed in cameras and and looking fatter than i do. You know that's kinda newsworthy. People will turn into watch the whack shop And to see what's going on and so those kinds of things and then that eggs them on to be even more that right because now they're getting attention you know show when when the donut team shows up right. That's that's what gets the attention and it's hard not to pay attention to them at when you're trying to counter that but also be aware that when you are a countering that or when you are commenting on that story you're also giving them attention and some people don't care if it's positive or negative you know it's the whole own the lips thing make a lib cry s at whole thing going on there And so yeah. Sometimes we may need to be a little bit more judicious to make sure we're not giving the wrong people you know people were until hint A bigger microphone than they are already have At when you're calm and rational in collected you you don't get quite the you know the likes yet like me personally. I'm more of a fan of private conversations because they don't get an audience and if they're just talking with me it's not like they're comments can be seen by other people that i have no idea who else is reading this. The only person who is exposed to it. As me. And i feel secure of my standing that i can look at that and say. That's a bunch of ballpark and nobody else has to see it right but it just it strikes me as curious that there's a large portion of the population. Who who has who believes that proper epistemology is is that it's okay to believe something until it is absolutely proven to be wrong and these are the ones who will continue to believe that dominion voting machines had a problem right down to the tune of what one billion dollar lawsuit that they're filing for for for a false claims who they file out against. I forget. committee rudy giuliani. my they. So it's amazing that by it's just amazing. That poor epistemology is so flagrantly out there and and people don't seem to care too much about learning how to think better which leads us very neatly into our next segment called looking back. That phoenix all right. Let's go all right well. January thirty first is going to be the birthday of non nobel prize winner. Urban linger and amazing a chemist. Who's managed to do a lot in his lifetime. He's responsible for numerous Discoveries inventions and things like that. The argon gas fill bite bowl muckler. Hydrogen coating on light bulbs Cloud seeding thin-film combing circus chemistry for which he got his nobel prize for Atomic welding lang bureau equation which is used in surface chemistry improve he An improvised passive sonar The louis laying your fury which is our concentric Atomic structure theory that we regularly used today He coined the term plasma For the fourth state of matter namely for how it moved the particles He reminded him of how plasma carried Blood cells whatnot through the body He discovered Cells in water flow Now called linger rotations Also large-scale smoke generators for combat applications. He was a conservationist mostly known for his work with I'm probably gonna screw up the pronunciation of this Adirondack park That's new york. And he's also made advancements in the study of icing on airplane wings and invented the vacuum tube. He's done a lot in his life. And that's just the list from a dock A shortlist from a documentary called lingers world. Which i've managed to get a video off of the edison tech center youtube channel which clips from that documentary. But yeah. He's done a lot in his life in one of the things most notably that That we're interested in as he also that a on what he called pathological science. Which things like pseudoscience and whatnot is you know falls under that category so pathological science would be Erroneous ideas in science. That have been shown to be false but are still persisting in a hit with some scientists in the public mind. So they've been proven they've been shown by the majority consensus of scientists for the relative feels. But they're still persisting for some reason and so he has gone through and There's six basic False that typically show up all the time so the first one would be The maximum effect that is observed is produced by a causative agent of barely detectable intensity and the magnitude of the effect is substantially independent of the intensity of the cots. Though that big. And morty but it's basically you have next to no effect but you're holding onto that small idiot effect that could just be your imagination or is there just the random output of the of the data. You're getting anyways and you're just king in on that. The first thing that comes to mind is is would those little blurbs that you see for cosmetics. They say that Whatever percent of people say they feel younger or say. They noticed a difference in their in their wrinkles and appearance without any actual substantial known noted. Difference it's all about their perception that that's not to me out one of the examples. I have selected. Here is homeopathy. yeah Yeah the homeopathy. You know you just you keep on dilute. I forget who scientist is but it was originally. He was studying antibodies on and he kept on diluting. The water the substance again and again until there's no nothing left but water and yet he was still seeing an effect. Which was you know. And that is that is being used to hold up a homeopathy which is pretty much execs concept you know you know. They start proposing that the the water held the memory of what i used to be in it. But yeah that's you guys are young but this this reminds me of the great. Tv show macgyver. A lot of them. A lot of the things in macgyver did were based on science. And things like that but he would get this huge. A fact out of just really wouldn't do that right. He'd make a battery out of an orange and start a car with it. And it's like well no you're not much voltage on. I think there's another one with potassium in water where he broke down a jail. Waller something like that. Yeah it's really would've only created this small little pop like a You know just a a black cat. Firecracker don't ruin macgyver for me. Your macgyver is that like. I said a lot of what he did works. And just you know you need some hollywood special access to get it to blow stuff up and so just just to talk about this. Rather hillary topic is that my exposure to macgyver was not the original show itself but episodes of mythbusters where they would have more exposure through that than through thick sal too so i appreciate macgyver for trying to introduce science as a superhero power and then i appreciate mythbusters for coming in and and straightening us all out on. What the actual. Anyway i back to back to the list are the next on the list is the effect is of a magnitude that remains close to limit of detectability or many measurements are necessary because of the very low statistical significance results. Yeah and know. I didn't have a list of any real examples of this casino really all over the place. I mean principles like p hacking effect size sampling bias. Cherry picking things like that you know those are effects that you know could be equivalent to this We go the great claims of great accuracy. So you know something you know they. They claim that you know you have something. That's like a two millimetres wide and you're saying that you're getting results up to a degree of point. One millimeters out of. It's like how does that work if the thing you're using is bigger than the measurements. You're getting out of it yet to forgive me for for like i. I can't up at burstow laugh every time you read this because every time see something on this list and i had the privilege of getting to look at it and of course links are down in description. i can't help but think about all these weird claims that somehow it passes a bunch of people's epistemology and then they start to actually believe it and i don't think people are as immune as they think we are and that worries me because i think i have pretty good epistemology that i could smell the us a mile away. Maybe i can. Then maybe i'm falling for something that but but we'll talk about after. I just want to explain why. I can't laugh right now that i just end up and bust out laughing. Astrology is an example of this too. I mean What you're looking at with. You're getting a huge barnum statement. They're going oh. This is so accurate for these individuals. Here in it's really just as broad spectrum statements that applies to should have flat anybody but a mistake precision for accuracy. So they'll take a number that has lots of decimal point sober assumed that is accurate in. I've not necessarily the kiss. For instance you could take pi three point one four said i don't know what pious past one four just said. You've got a number of three point. One four five. That is more precise than three point. One four but it's not necessarily more accurate for pie but you could take a number like three and if you're rounding up to the nearest whole number three is a perfectly accurate Value for pi rounding up to the nearest whole number right. but it's not as precise but it is accurate so people Mistake those two things quite a bit as well and you know they don't hear you know sixty percent of the time. It's this a see that in weather you know they don't understand the the Statistics behind it either. Thanks that you know yeah. One hundred percent earn eighty percent. Chance of rain doesn't mean it's going to rain. It's always a twenty percent chance at won't cincinnati. I've just gotten used to the fact that there is always constantly a twenty percent chance of rain carrier umbrella. One of the biggest things. I had to stigmas. I had to fight. I used to live in portland right And by the almanac there are actually more a rainy days per year on average cincinnati than there is in portland even though portland is known for its bad weather. It's that crazy here. No you talk. We know you brought up astrology and the one that stands out to me is the mb ti personality tests which are clear bunk. I know they are but it i i. Maybe i'm overly sensitive. And i just noticed times when they're actually accurate and even though nobody really thinks anything of it i happen to know i'm an i n. T j i look at the description. I was like i am a character. I n t j and how is it that is able to correctly predict that my last ten romantic partners were all. I n f p. Nfp is like if this is really bunk. How could they have known that. And then after remember no. This is one of those times. When i am falling victim to this and i need to be smart and say just because i think there's a trend doesn't mean there is one so somebody talked me out of it talked me out of mba ti personality tests right now. Considering that the whole entire personality tests for that was actually invented by a couple of ladies with no psychological training whatsoever. They just a made it up on the spot. And it's important to remember with pseudoscience. Generally i mean. Motivated reasoning is is a pretty powerful thing when people start you know reasoning from a conclusion and wanting it to be true and then they start counting the hits in ignoring the mrs when they're looking at data you know trying to figure out what's true i mean. We're all susceptible to that motivated reasoning. But it seems to be fairly fairly pervasive in our culture right now. Yeah go on. Phoenix going and just just for the record. I'm even split between j. I n f j all right. So here's one. We're all familiar with all too. Well fantastic theories contrary to experience in other words. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We are all too familiar with that The alien actions Psychic can eases the afterlife rink carnation very various religious claims. We're very familiar with this one. This is our favorite. This is the one we liked. And i think all was you know we. We've mentioned a lot of creators already today. I'm we mentioned him unmeda. We've we've mentioned and i'm gonna i'm gonna plug apologia who famously now says instead of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He has a much longer when he is it. On a t shirt it was like claims are challenging to one's worldview would require more evidence for that person to me about your door or something. I have to check out to you. I'm going to have to find that. The apology is one of the ones that i listened to More than most. I had my select few and he is on. You know that. I keep on the top of my list. I have a long laundry list of channels i watched. But he's at the top right at bell for policy. I have hit that bell. So it's interesting on this one because it experiences such a loaded word. I reminded a couple of i. I was doing a another call in show. And i was talking to a guy who said that he'd been abducted by aliens or he believed that he'd been abducted by aliens. He'd had an experience and You i don't know what that experience was But once he starts making claims about the cause of his experience and in the nature of his experience making claims that we could contest. We can investigate He's on pretty shaky ground. But i think a lot of people will say well. I had an experience and then jumped to twenty five conclusions. About what the 'cause when when inexperienced doesn't tell us anything about the cause of the experience in and of itself so this is this is a shaky for a lot of people have to be careful with personal experience because a lot of the flatter will tell you. Use your senses right. you don't need to have a science degrade approve that the world is flat and gone ads. So thinking you're doing is not actually doing yeah There are problems here. The greeks able to figure it out. They certainly didn't have science degrees right now. You have this ten miles away. You too can calculate the curvature of the earth somehow basic chugging up escapes flat. Earthers which i'll never understand. I love it. How you trust your own investigations. Except they don't have you ever seen that one fighter documentary where they actually do an experiment to try to move but it does go the way they think it's going to go beyond the curve. I think beyond and they actually do the whole experiment and it doesn't give them the results that they were expecting and at moments one of the greatest moments documentary history when the when the experiment goes exactly the way that you expect it to go for around earth and they're just going. Oh well that's weird. That's that can't be right. Which leads us very neatly. Two point number five phoenix right point number five. Criticisms are met by ad hoc excuses thought up on the spur of the moment. Way here on non profit and even the examples. I have for this creationism and intelligent design. Right up our alley mcewen on folks who think there's a shadow president right that the the democrats and biden were arrested but they decided to let them continue. Anders roy shadow government. I had i had a co worker He was telling me about all all the fraud is gonna. How do you know that news as like there. You have. I spit on. The evidence has been taken to court and they didn't have anything to even substantiate taking it to trial. For how many cases sixers what more than fifty cases you. yeah. I know and yeah. I mentioned that some of the judges were in were trump appointed. And he's going. How does that work. Because you know you only appoint federal is you know. Yeah it's gone to that level. But as soon as i pointed out you know it never even went to court. He jumps to. But then you had antifa Threatening this one per one judge over here and it's like okay. That would be a single case. If that is that even is true and so that you know what did they go in threaten every single other judge out there as well. I mean you'd have to actually showcase that it actually did happen in that. This is something similar had happened in every single other cases well for why they didn't actually take it to trial fifty courts plus two supreme court more than fifty cases plus two supreme court appearances at show. No evidence some of the judges were recommending that the lawyers be censured or have their license revoked because there was no good faith effort to make sure that the lawsuit was even valid or capable of going to trial. I mean those are those don't happen very often and some of the judges were again. Appoi