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The Boy Scouts' Survival Plan: Bankruptcy
"This episode of the Journal is brought to you by better for it. A new podcast from ADP in each episode. Francesca Ramsey talks to business leaders about the mistakes. They've made in their careers. How they got through them and came out better for it. Listen on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts. The boy scouts of America has endured for one hundred ten years but problems within the organization have been building behind closed doors for decades recently. These problems exploded view. There are about two hundred seventy five lawsuits pending alleging sex abuse in the boy. Scouts and thousands of other former scouts are claiming they were mistreated. These cases threaten the scouts very existence. And this week. The organization resorted to an extreme measure. It declared bankruptcy today on the show. The Boy Scouts Survival Plan. Welcome to the Journal. Our show about money business and power. I'm Kate Lima. I'm Ryan Knutson. It's Thursday February twentieth even before the latest wave of sexual abuse lawsuits. The boy scouts have been facing a problem for years. Membership has been in decline. The boy scouts have about two two point two million members now which is a lot. But that's about a third of where they were at their heyday which was in nineteen sixty nine the year that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon who was by the way an Eagle Scout Valerie bore line is a national reporter and she's been following the boy scouts they were really just a touchstone in the culture and pillar of the culture. You know as American as Apple Pie American as boy scouts at its heyday. The boy scouts meant that but as the world around the boy scouts. The Scouts didn't boy. Scouts still do many of the same activities their grandfathers did they camp hike timeouts and one of the reasons that kept losing members is because policies about who could be a boy scout. Didn't change either. There has been tension around whether to gay children to be scouts whether to allow gay scout leaders and whether to allow girls as states move to legalize gay marriage gay scouts and Scout Masters were still banned from the organization has kids did more CO activities. The boy scouts maintained that they were for boys. Only as Americans have become more secular. The scouts still require members to believe in God. And so there's always been this tough tension there as to how much the scouts should retain. What MAKES THEM? The scouts or with a lot of people who've been involved over the past century see as the core values of scouting and then also to what degree should you reflect. American culture which is changing quickly over time. It became clear. The scouts would have to do more to reflect the wider culture it as potential lawsuits for discrimination and membership kept falling and so an organization that had stayed pretty much. The same for a century began to change rapidly. I began to accept gay scouts. Then Gay Scout leaders they also let transgender children and then in two thousand seventeen to announce the biggest change of all the boy. Scouts will no longer be just for boys today. The boys got. Why did the boy scouts allow girls? What was their hope you know. The stated hope was not to improve membership but the scouts have lost membership steadily over the years and so any civic organization would see a big pot of untapped children and say. Oh that would be one reason. Another was just that it was time. The Boy Scouts said they made the change after years of lobbying from parents with boys in the program to let their girls and two they said they wanted to bring the benefits of scouting to quote as many families and youth as possible but if the boy scouts were banking on a boost in membership. It didn't pan out that way yes. The Scouts added almost one hundred thousand girls in the first year but in the process it lost four hundred thousand members from a core constituency and the Mormon church is ending its century old partnership with the Boy Scouts of America and join the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day Saints has been one of the pillars of scouting for a long long time. I talked to some parents who said look. It was common among Mormon families to say okay. You can't get your driver's license until you've got your Eagle Scout. That was that much a part of what was expected such a rite of passage. When why did the members of the Church of Latter Day Saints? Mormon Scouts leave well. They never said specifically because of exchange that the scouts had made or why change whether that was allowing girls or allowing. Gay members engage leaders. And it's never explicit like that but you know they just so we have decided. It's time for us to form our own scouting group. Which they're doing that is more consistent with what we believe at the time. The church emphasized the need for a new scouting organization. That could its members all around the world but in comments late last year one high ranking Mormon official was blunt. We didn't leave the boy scouts. He said the boy scouts left us when the Mormon Church left boy scout membership dropped eighteen percent and it wasn't just the Mormons who are alienated by the boy scouts sudden openness to new members man. The girl scouts were upset. The girl scouts for mad. They felt like this girl scouts. Boy Scouts had been a sister organization from the beginning for a hundred years and they felt like there was a hostile takeover by their very close allies in their frustration. The Girl Scouts took aim at the boy scouts on a very serious issue allegations of sexual abuse. I remember speaking with the girl. Scout Chief Executive at the time WHO said any parent can send their daughter on a girl scout trip and knew that her head is safe on the pillow. And that was that. Give me chills not sled theory direct refutation of the sexual abuse history in the boy scouts. The girl scouts were right. More than changing social norms and drops in membership. The boy scouts were plagued by a rising tide of sex abuse lawsuits stemming from allegations dating back decades in those allegations or why the boy scouts are now declaring bankruptcy. That's after the break. This episode of the Journal is brought to you by better for a podcast from ADP posted by Francesca Ramsey. Better for it looks at how successful business leaders have been shaped by the mistakes. They've made like a CEO who tackles failure head on. That's a big part of who I am is always looking at failure and saying here's the gift I got from that failure. You'll hear how visionaries got through their mistakes and came out better for it. Listen on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts Only welcome back like the Catholic Church or Penn State or any number of other institutions for years. There'd been whispered allegations about sexual abuse in the boy scouts but in two thousand ten. Those allegations burst into public view in a court case in Oregon the Oregon case you could look at the origin of the boy scouts. Having really serious legal problems Andrews Korea covers bankruptcy courts and has been writing about the boy scouts. This was a man who said he was abused as a youngster took the scouts trial in Oregon and really showed conclusively that the organization knew that it had a problem and and didn't take effective action in terms of reporting it to the authorities or rooting it out internally and in fact the boy scouts had kept files going all the way back to one thousand nine hundred twenty on ineligible volunteers which the scouts internally called their IV files and what were those files exactly. These files were an archive that the scouts created when they received a report that a volunteer head allegedly molested a child or just otherwise acted improperly and the goal of them was to exclude those individuals from being able to participate in scouting going forward the Oregon case introduce those files to the world showing how large the problem could be in. The plaintiff won his case. The jury awarded him twenty million dollars but not every alleged victim could follow in the Oregon man's footsteps ensue. Many of allegations were decades old and barred by state statute of limitations. But then a few states made an adjustment to their laws. That drastically changed the outlook for the boy scouts organization. There was a growing feeling among policy makers that victims needed a way to get redress through the courts. There'd been lobbying in various state legislatures for much of the past decade really to do away with statute of limitations or at least open up a one time window for victims to sue regardless of when the alleged use occurred and the damn really broke on that front last year when these laws went into effect in more than a dozen states in particular some really big important states like California New York New Jersey North Carolina all of a sudden thousands of former scouts in their forties fifties and sixties. Were now in position to sue the boy scouts and one reason so many accusers were in this age. Range is more. Recent scouts might have had a different experience in the nineteen eighties. The scouts created more protections for kids in the program. Here's Valerie you know to their credit earlier than many civic organizations the boy scouts created a very strict policy on adult leaders contact with children and it still is one of the move strict among organizations. Were adults come in contact with children? The core tenant of it is called too deep which means they're always have to be two adults in the room when there's a child and there could be no one on one contact between an adult and child in a Scout Forum. You know now that also means no texting and adult can't text one on one with a scout. They have adopted this policy in the nineteen eighties and more than ninety percent. The vast majority of the claims that are hobbling the boy scouts. Now predate these policies so it sounds like these roles may have worked. There's evidence that the rules really worked but reputation only and just in terms of the damage. That was already done. The ramifications are being felt today revised statute of limitations through open. Open the door for more lawsuits. There are now about two hundred and seventy-five suits against the boy scouts and lawyers say fourteen hundred suits haven't been filed that means the boy scouts could oh hundreds of millions of dollars potentially enough to shutter the whole organization and so to avoid that this week. The boy scouts did what other companies and organizations have done before the declared bankruptcy? Well they decide to follow pretty well worn path among companies that have caused harm allegedly to large numbers of people. You might think of bankruptcy is the thing you do when you're down to your last dollar when you have no choice but for a long time companies have used it in a more defensive way. They've used it to avoid losing all of their money and to help them survive a crisis. You could trace it all the way. Back to festus cases in which companies put specis into the public environment through insulation and many other products that you know decades later was found to cause cancer and other ailments that affected thousands of people. It's just impossible to address that number of claims through the State Court system inefficient basis. It would just overwhelm pretty much. Any company that he used bankruptcy to set up trusts would compensate people who are already sick as well as those who would get sick in the future. Bankruptcies like this allow a company. That's accused of causing harm to sit down with. Everyone does money to like creditors victims and set aside a pot of money to pay everyone out evenly. This allows the company to handle all claims at the same time. Instead of first come first-served trickle. That could lead the company dry. A lot of organizations have used bankruptcy like this to handle mass lawsuits. But the pioneers in using this approach to handle sex abuse lawsuits have been within the Catholic Church today. Twenty one catholic diocese facing sexual abuse cases have filed for bankruptcy the most recent Catholic diocese of Harrisburg Pennsylvania filed for bankruptcy yesterday. What are the boy scouts? Then hope bankruptcy will do for them. It does a few things for them. It cuts down on their legal expenses. Right from having to defend all of these cases all around the country. It halts discovery so sex-abuse victims in their lawyers. Who had been trying to pry open a lot of these scouts. Secrets about how they dealt with sexual abuse over the years that process comes to a stop and his only handled by the bankruptcy court now and they're hoping to get clear right. They're hoping to come up with a number that satisfies lawyers for alleged victims of Sexual Abuse. Another benefit of bankruptcy for the boy scouts could stop the flow of new lawsuits. Part of the process involves setting. What's called a bar date which is a deadline by which people who say that? They were abused as children will have to file claims. Into BANKRUPTCY COURT BY A date. Certain or else be barred from collecting in the future in a statement on Tuesday. The Boy Scouts Chief Executive Roger Moesby said bankruptcy will allow the scouts to compensate victims equitably and continue the scouts mission but if waiving the statute of limitations open the door for more lawsuits. The bar date. That's part of the bankruptcy process. Could eventually close it. And that's not the only reason victims might object to the bankruptcy process. Bankruptcy also offers a different kind of justice than many victims might be expecting. Andrew heard this come up with the boy scouts. First Bankruptcy hearing yesterday an alleged victims lawyer was speaking about her client. She recounting how the plaintiff in that case who I believe is anonymous because it deals with childhood sexual abuse felt like the rugged then pulled out from under Internet because he isn't going to get his day in the form of his choice in front of the jury he's GonNa be forced to this sort of far in bankruptcy proceeding in Wilmington Delaware that he probably didn't anticipate when he files case so he was frustrated by the fact that he doesn't get his day in court it's now part of a giant bankruptcy proceeding. He'll get his day in acorn. It will just be a bankruptcy court where the idea is not really to get to a jury trial and for the Detroit to sort of come out right for his claims to be tested in a court of law. The question is how to divide up the PIE right. It's it's a different kind of preceding that he's not really aimed at putting the boy scouts in the West stand and asking questions under oath. It's said that's not what it's about anymore. The boy scouts have said that bankruptcy is the best way to compensate victims equitably in court papers. The organization said dealing with lawsuits wanted. A time would be unfair because it would privilege those who brought their cases. I in an open letter Tuesday victims of sexual abuse the Boy Scouts National Chairman. Jim Turley wrote quote. There were times when volunteers and employees ignored our procedures or forgave transgressions. That were unforgivable. The boy scouts safety measures. He said we're now among the strongest in the nation but he admitted that they hadn't always been enough quote. The fact is that predators harmed innocent children in scouting programs. And for this. I am deeply sorry that's offered today. Thursday February twentieth the Journal is a Co production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal special. Thanks to Joseph. Diabe love for his reporting. Thanks for listening. See You tomorrow.
The Boy Scouts File for Bankruptcy
"Hello and welcome to the podcast of podcast. That takes ten minutes to get smarter faster on the collision of Tech Business and politics filling in for Dan primack. Today I'm special projects producer. Neo Me Shaven on today's show. The Fed signals may cut rates and a new study on crowd funding for medical bills. But I the boy. Scouts FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY Boy Scouts of America is currently facing hundreds of lawsuits for men alleging that they were sexually abused during their time as boy scouts. The organization is expecting thousands. More to be filed especially states have changed statute of limitations laws governing. How long victims of sexual abuse have to bring cases to court as these lawsuits have mounted? The organization has considered filing for bankruptcy. It has reportedly been a consideration since late two thousand eighteen. If not earlier the goal would be to use the chapter eleven process as a way to create a compensation trust for victims. It's also something that could cap how much the organization will pay out in settlements the boy scouts or one of the largest nonprofits in the country with an annual revenue of over seven hundred and eighty million dollars as of last year accounts two million active boy scouts and one million volunteers. It's a massive organization that has been around since nineteen ten and it's likely that additional lawsuits will be filed especially estates. Continue to change their laws in fifteen seconds. We'll go deeper on the story with axios markets reporter Courtney Browne but first this there's more news out there than ever before but these days it's harder than ever to find it and to know what to trust axios. Am takes the effort out of getting smart by synthesizing. The ten stories. That will drive the day. And telling you I they matter subscribe at sign up dot axios DOT COM and now back to the podcast joining us as markets reporter. Courtney Browne to talk about this case. Let's start with a point you made in your coverage of this bankruptcy that puts it into context. There are typical bankruptcies when a company is running out of cash. But this bankruptcy isn't one of them. Can you explain the motivation behind a typical bankruptcy versus one like this? See the boy. Scouts of America filed for bankruptcy on Tuesday with the full purpose of lessening the nationwide league pressure. They're facing from sexual abuse victims. So if you WANNA think about PGA. The California utility that filed for bankruptcy last year. They also did something similar. They were facing a monsoon of lawsuits from wildfire victims who lost property because of the wildfires that were sparked by PG's equipment and so they did something very similar filing for bankruptcy. Not because they're necessarily running out of cash but they are just overwhelmed by You know the lawsuits and legal expenses. That could come from lawsuits filing for bankruptcy in a case like this could put a ceiling. On how much boy scouts of America will pay out to victims of abuse right? Can you just explain sort of how that works instead of going from court to court to court from all across the country? What will happen is a bankruptcy judge will create a pot of money that the boy scouts of America will pay out to all claiming so basically it puts a cap on how much the organization will have to pay to sexual abuse victims rather than that amount of money being determined on a court by court basis worth noting boy scouts of America is as you write solvent. Can you explain that? Their financial situation in this context and also how that relates to how the organization is structured to the organization highs over one billion dollars worth of assets. Some of that cash. Some of that is buildings and property. You know it owns a hundred fifty thousand Acre property in New Mexico. That's worth about. Seventeen point five million dollars. According to bankruptcy filings looked at and it's liabilities are less than one billion dollars so it has plenty of assets to cover the liabilities that they have right now and you know if you include the local boy scout councils across the country it actually has way more assets those local councils at about three point. Three billion dollars in assets according to media reports and we know what the Boy Scouts of America the National Organization is trying to do is. It's trying to put distance between itself and those local councils and lawyers who are defending some of these sexual abuse. Them say that the organization is doing that to kind of shield those assets from being involved in the bankruptcy court so you know victims may not have access to those three point three billion dollars in assets that belong to the local council to give a bit more context. Here zooming out states have been changing the statute of limitation laws around. Sexual Abuse Cases. All over the country has this impacted this particular situation and is not part of what opened up the floodgates here. What opened up the floodgates here? So yes they have changed laws to allow sexual abuse victims to bring cases of court regardless of when the misconduct occurred so to say that they were sexually abused under the boy scouts. Watch you know they can sue the organization even if they say it happened in the nineteen eighties which most of them to and so. What's happening the boy scouts? America are being a lot more lawsuits than they would have. If these laws weren't being changed on a state by state basis in addition to the legal changes that we're seeing there's also been a shift in how insurance companies will cover organizations like the boy scouts organization used to have insurance that could cover sexual abuse claims however many insures withdrawing not coverage. Now their argument is that the boy scouts knew about the abuse and failed to inform their insurance providers. Can you walk us through that shift as well? And if that's happening just within the boy. Scouts and bencher providers they work with. This is something that's happening across other fields and organizations. This is definitely happening more often. And it's exactly like you said for years. The Boy Scouts had insurance that could cover sexual abuse claims. But now these insurers are saying to the boy scouts and other organizations. You know you knew that this abuse was happening under your watch. And you didn't tell us so we're not gonNA fund any litigation we're not gonNA cover any settlements that's on you and because that's the case you know it makes bankruptcy cases like the one that the boy scout America filed earlier this week more and more likely coming back to the bankruptcy filing. Has there been any pushback especially from victim advocates or lawyers over their decision to file for bankruptcy lawyers have said that what the boy scouts of America is doing is an abuse of bankruptcy or they say that the boy scouts of America should have to deal with this on a case by case basis instead of going to a bankruptcy court where all of these cases will essentially be rolled up and the judge will decide on a pot of money that will go out to claimants and as we talked about this strategy could cap how much victims will get versus if they would have had to deal with this in separate court and victims lawyers also argue that you know. Is THIS BANKRUPTCY CASE. Going to prevent certain aspects of discovery that would have come out in individual quartz. Is the bankruptcy process going to just pay folks out a sum of money and there will be fewer documents that are exposed. So they're arguing that by filing for bankruptcy the boy scouts of America is essentially taking the easy way out and of course the voice America deceits that Corny. Thanks so much for joining us to talk about this. Thank you my final two. After this axios gives you the news and analysis. You need to get smarter faster on the most important topics in our unique smart brevity format we cover topics from politics to science and media to tech subscribed to get smarter faster at sign up dot axios Dot Com and now back to the podcast. Now it's time for my final the could cut. Us interest rates this year after predicting in December that this year would not bring rate cuts in the minutes of its most recent policy meeting the Fed focused on the fact that inflation still hasn't hit. Its two percent target. My colleague Dan. Rea Bolen writes that this suggests that the Fed is shifting focus from economic data to concerns about the impact in virus could have on the global economy an underwhelming inflation lowering rates would make taking on debt more attractive to US businesses and consumers but it would put the central bank and weaker position if it needed to fight off a recession president trump. It's worth noting has badgered. The Fed repeatedly to cut rates after the release of the meeting minutes on Wednesday traders saw ninety three percent chance of at least one rate cut by the end of the year up from eighty four percents the day before a sixty five percent chance of two rate cuts by the end of the year and finally a new study found that roughly fifty million Americans have given money to crowd funding campaigns to help people pay for medical expenses. These crowd funding campaigns often support individuals without insurance who face huge medical bills but they also cover people who have insurance and find that their out of pocket. Expenses are massive financial burden. An estimated eight million people facing medical expenses have created their own crowd funding campaigns while twelve million people have created one for a friend or family member. The study found that roughly twenty percent of Americans have donated to a crowd funding campaign to cover medical expenses of Americans who've donated sixty one percent report donating to a relative forty percent have donated to a friend of thirty. Five percent have made donations to help strangers. And we're done huge. Thanks to producer. Tim Show vers and to Dan for letting me host pirata one more time today. Dan will be back next week.
Jaimie Alexander on "Tommy Boy" (#MyConfortMovie)
"Prepaying or is humans. Happy sad confused Begins Today on happy. Second Fuse Jamie Alexander on her comfort movie Tommy Boy. Hey guys. I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of happy. Sad confused I'm joined on the Intro as Oh is back like when we were starting kid? Sammy Sammy we're doing the INTRO. Just like Old Times BC. Yeah before your God. Sammy joins me to get you guys all warm and fuzzy and ready for this exciting new episode. Second fused with first time guests. Amy Alexander who want to have on the show for a while. I've known her a little bit over. The years of injury for various projects. Always been very cool with me and she. She did not disappoint. She delivered an unexpected choice for her comfort. Movie today. GonNa dive deep on the one thousand nine hundred five classic comedy Chris Farley David Spade Tommy boy semi what do you think Tommy boy have been actually meaning to re watch this movie in the last couple months. It's been one that I forget that I want to rewatch and then remember like time like Ima supermarket. Fuck I WANNA watch time. I want to remind you to invisibly wandering around the supermarket. In your mask down the mask to exclaim fuck I need to see Tommy boy. That's incredibly accurate. God psychotic. I had not seen Tommy boy in quite quite some time. It was a nice excuse to revisit this one and a good excuse to catch up with Jamie. Who is starring in wine spot? Fifth and final season Thursdays at ten on. Nbc folks final thing. Ten or eleven episodes. You're going out with a Bang Jamie's berry excited about it. Also guest stars cool stuff. She couldn't be more pleased that it's ending in the way that it is so. I'm happy for her happy. We got a chance to your question because I. I'm like a visual person so I want for for all the other. Vp's visual people out there. Was this a zoom record zoom. You guys did yes. We tend to record via zoom so that we have that face to face. Just as we're doing now so I can so I can see you're dead. Shark is yeah so what was her. Where was she she she she says it. I'll repeat because she said it on in the conversation. She's in Brooklyn living in Brooklyn by herself and she's she's a New Yorker because she's been shooting blind spots around And yes she's she's just the real deal I I remember. I interviewed her. She was in that Let's see the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie with Johnny Knoxville. Was that called the last. Stand to like the Like the Michael Jordan. Show you Google at one on talking. I'm not talking to you. Listen I'm talking to Google Listener. And she of course. Many people know her as sift from the floor movies Conjecture was gonNA see her in one of these guy. I hope so. Just Kinda hinted the last stand twenty thirteen like I did it. Yup that was one of my first. Enters the with Mr Arnold Schwarzenegger and probably the first time I met Jamie and yes? He's always been really cool so I'm glad we got a chance to to catch up today. I'm glad she chose like a a movie. Tommy boy which we have not covered like an outer now. Big Comedy likes this yet. So we nine erupted you while you were saying something cool and exciting on the last stand. No no I was just saying that I was what was exciting thing. You are teasing. She might appear in what we don't know for a fact. I just know that there high hopes that she may return in whether it's a new movie or the key series. I don't know I truly don't Certainly is not ready to spill the beans yet but there have been hints. She's been teasing. Perhaps that we may see her in one of those before. And if you listen to the end of the interview you might read between the lines but again. I know nothing for a factual reveals nothing. But here's hoping I'd love to see your back in the Marvel Universe sometime soon Other things mentioned let's see so I don't know I don't know about you. I'm still watching a ton of stuff. I finished the great which is about to drop on Hulu. This is the Elle fanning. Nicholas Holtz show from the research favorite really during the great one. Catherine the great really dark comedy. Did you ever see the favourite yet? S very much in that tone. That darkly comedic tone. I love that writer. She's great and I did a one of these. Mtv House calls these live interviews on instagram. Wive on MTV news with L. Great to catch up with her and she and nick or Nicholas Holtz What he loved Nicholas. You're going to love him in this show. I. I don't know if I could do it. No He's really funny it it really good. It's hired Batman. I mean I'm unhappy. That Pattinson is Batman. But nick almost goddess ain't now you've been nick spin a friend of the show for a long time. He absolutely listening right now. Hynek dropped into the INSTAGRAM. Live the other day. Did you freak out freaked out just freaked out? Did I just jumped out my window. I'm also trying deb's out there's been a lot of buzz about deb's that the news show from. Alex Garland government offerman. This crazy hair exactly. It's pretty good. I'm I'm into it. It's kind of like weird SCI FI. What you finished. Did you finish. That fucking sucks. When I finish that I was so upset. I mean I was incredible finale and as someone from Philadelphia it made me feel warm and fuzzy you onto the next already. Would you focusing on now? Yeah started West rain yesterday. So seven episodes Steve. You gotta waste to go you know who else is watching West Wing L. I found out the other day speaking of l. l. told me Dakota has just started watching the West Wing so you enter code R. Probably neck and neck right now early West Wing. We should chat. You should connect you guys and I have questions about. Squeaky her character her lane. Once upon a cycle throw those it was creepy. She was good other things dimension. As I mentioned I've started to do these house calls. Were calling them on. Mtv News instagram alive conversations with L. There would be any Feldstein Domo Scour Aston Don Ross Butler this week next week. I'm doing Ben Platt. I know what if beanie drops in one year and then we'll ben dropped the beanie. I should watch sue. You're doing with Your Life Sadik. They are exciting. And I've actually watched. Ben'S NEW SPECIALTIES. Promoting new NETFLIX SPECIAL. Which was his radio city tour not great and also serve to watch that but and also coming up on housecall we're GONNA do Kumail Nangiani very excited about one. Some good stuff. Swallows Hal me or him. Well let you let the listeners. Yeah he's going to do that. And scream live shirtless. We've demanded it already. And one of the things that plug over on comedy. Central new episodes of stir-crazy continue this week. We've just dropped a new episode with Warren Watkiss. She is a funny lady very funny. I really like her. She's good she's really good. The people good person. Mike you bad person. I want to mention a couple of people on the twitter. And the twitter verse. You mentioned their comfort. Movies was like to see you guys. Shutout your favorites as always hit me up on twitter. Josh Horowitz with the Hashtag. Happy Second Fuse. Than my comfort movie. Jessica Lawson says any dance movie from the early two thousands centerstage centers. They save the last dance. Coyote ugly step up and step up. But I'm sure that's she meant when I said that. Just now she's like. Oh yes debbie shower. Mentions as good as it gets just about any Disney movie. Okay S. J daily One's last dimension. It's appropriate for today mentions Tommy boy perfect land of Farley's heart and spades acerbic wit daily. One knew something was up. Knew something was in Zeitgeist new. Shen amazing right so yeah. Let's transition to our big interview of the week. This is Jamie Alexander says. She has starring in the final season of one spot on NBC Thursdays at ten. Check that out and as always hit me up on the twitter and instagram's subscribe spread the good word to do Enjoy this chat with Jamie. Jamie it's good to see you. It's good to catch up with you. It's been way too long and I can't believe it's happening this way to see you like one of my three people. I've gotten to talk to you in the last. I don't know two months. Oh God so we're going to Reacquaint you with like interpersonal skills. See if you remember how to talk to another so first of all Which is catch me up. How are you doing? That's like the most loaded question on the planet nowadays but settled into kind of like a new normal. What are you? What's your date? What are your days filled with right? Now Yeah I sort of settled into a normal. That's a great way to put his finding like humans are very adaptable. That's just one of the gifts we were given at first. It was really tough. I ate my feelings on late around. I there were times I didn't like I don't know and then I switched over into wanting to learn stuff I can. I love learning so I've been teaching myself guitar. I've been teaching myself how to cook better like holistic dishes and things like that which has been actually really on. Although I'm the only person here to try it so I don't know if they actually and yet just and I've been doing yoga and and that sort of thing but I'm in Brooklyn so it's it's a bit limited as to a what we can do here but it is for well. I think by the standards of most. I mean it sounds like you're pretty productive because I feel like the standards have changed right. It's like in the first week it was like am I wearing actual human pants. That's a huge. That's a huge day and then by three or four. Yeah I I'm definitely trying to like just do as much work and just keep myself busy. Because it's just all about distract yourself from what's just like a incomprehensible choice going on outside our window. There's an adjustment period you know and it's important to not be too hard on yourself but you know. I find making lists really help. I'll make a list. That's like a symbol as clean ditches laundry like it'll be like chores or email so and so and then I can check it off that since the complement which is so great and and in all honesty. I have appreciated looking on the bright side. I've appreciated the downtime slowing down. I haven't had in a long time. And I've been rehabilitating my body and mind although and I have been trying to make the most of it but you know I'm not going to be super hard myself sal be productive. I want to spend a day just doing nothing watching movies. That's okay yeah. Everybody should go a little easy on themselves right down because it's tough times for everybody. How was the road trip in the beginning of all of this right across the country? Yes I did. It was bananas I was in L. A. And I was doing some work staff and then all of a sudden everything shut down and sold and I thought well okay and I own a home in l. a. anymore so I was like well. I probably should make it back to New York so that I can be in my home and so I thought well you know I haven't. I've always loved going like driving. I always loved row chokes. About what a nice thing to be able to do except that two days into the road trip. I made it to like. I think I was just about to get to Santa Fe New Mexico and then there was immediately an actual lockdown so all the places are closing and it became really difficult to progress onward towards New York because there be gas stations. Were shut down. I mainly just heat on the side of the road. Honestly narrow gas stations that you purchase gas that they would let us their scillies like okay and so as it went on. Its I had to get pretty creative and like what how to make food because all the places were closed but it was a journey it was really nice and just hanging out in nature driving through the windows down listening to music and to find them. He's without I really really enjoyed it and I was quite sad when I got back to Brooklyn the state of New York Time. It was so especially when you got here. I mean it's obviously still not not great but like I thought like the End Times For v Knox here it was saying I was in the Holland tunnel with two other cars. I never. I couldn't believe how fast is getting places and I. Oh I was so sad for like the first few days and then I would walk around the block or whenever do like facetime or something like that but it took took some getting used to as you know part of the the the Rieger version of my podcast happy second fuses. I've asked every guest to come up with a comfort movie and You. You had a couple of options. You came up some interesting options I was. I was really struck by the way we can talk about the one you arrived at. And also the other ones that were contention but I guess I like comfort to you. What's what's what is the definition for you. I think hampered in general is heirachy so I I go into movies that I've seen a million times that I always can rewatch like it's just never boring. It's always something great and I would. I was thinking back to movies. I used to watch and high school and in my early twenties and then just movies that I'd always get people together and watch and it was just always a good time and the one of the movies that came to mind that we decided on Tommy boy. I one of my favorite movies. My younger brother used to impersonate him all the time. It was so funny I can quote the entire movie and I often do it. I have to be careful when people over because I'll quote it as the movies on my own are Matt. I just absolutely love it and brings me to tears every time. Watch like even right now. It's just such a good movie so I'm glad you chose this for a number of reasons. It's kind of the first movie of this type of just sort of like You know like a an out and out like full-on silly comedy and it's also one that obscene but for whatever reason it never. I don't know if it didn't hit me at the right moment or whatever so give me a chance to go back to it and watch it again and sort of like see what other people see in it and you see in it. It's actually celebrating. Its twenty fifth anniversary this year. Not The data I but yeah the okay. What do you remember as as I remember? You have a few brothers. The brothers expose you to this because this is some ways like the stereotype is like this is a guy move is a dude dude humor or whatever all about Dude Humor. I have four brothers I just. I don't know I cannot remember the very first time I ever watched it but I just. I think I'd seen Tommy boy and then immediately saw black sheep like I had to keep staying. Not Duo David Spade and Chris Farley one of the best emetic Duos of all time. Yeah it was just so good with each other and so The Chemistry and Banter and everything was so good and I just enjoyed how goofy money was. And how endearing Chris Farley was as tummy there was just something so wonderfully authentic about it and I. I've just always loved that. I love people that are themselves in. That are goofy and don't really care what other people they live. How they WANNA live. I know you you hit upon. I think some of the reasons why it works for so many people in in me and watching it just the other day. He's just an insanely likable personality. Like you can't if you don't like Chris Aka Tommy in this. There's something wrong with you. And Yeah and David Feherty sometimes gets a bad wrapping. Turn people off like he plays off of Chris. Oh well in this. It's innocence of cynicism. It's like their body. Types are obviously totally different. Just it's a mismatch that that just the is chemistry but in this case it's real experienced that like people like me always ask you ask actors like chemistry said and chemistry reads and whatever is that real or is that just like bullshit kind of. Tell ourselves. I think there's some truth to it. I think you can click with people and with people just like when you meet. People like friends like new friends. You just go like nonni forever. And there's that it makes you instantly comfortable and I think that's part of it and it's almost like there's this strange level of trust immediately with the other person And so I think that is true. There are times where I've had this in my career where haven't re I either been disliked or disliked another person but the chemistry on screen is our is no interesting so I think it. I'm not really sure the exact recipe pour it but whatever it is it works and so I just. I've always tried to go with it but there have been times where I've just immediately clicked with somebody whether we're playing best friends that were mother daughter. Whatever and it comes across and then sometimes you can have chemistry in person and it is awful onscreen so let me go over some basics for the film for those that don't know so as I said it came out March thirty first one thousand nine hundred five celebrating. Its Twenty Fifth Anniversary. Very recently very timely job. Jamie it's a it had twenty million twenty million dollar budget. It was not a huge box office. Hit of time made thirty two million dollars but from what I read became like one of the one of the most successful home videos that paramount ever released. It was just bought and rented Kajillions Times. Is that when you say? You don't remember the specific way you saw but is most of your memory from seeing it just on repeat at home as opposed to theater. Yeah I never saw it in the theater because I would have been eleven dot. My mother would have approved that that being said it's not I was also surprised. It's not so it's like an are. I don't even think it was an R. rated film. It's actually really like sweet cheesy score quick adult. There are some adult situations like that but I think obviously in today's age that's acceptable right for younger. Humans of my good back then is specially me growing up into south? That was not a thing but but yeah I. I remember quoting that movie constantly and I'm sure that I loved it a moment. I saw it because I there's so much of that dynamic that I would often and that was just so often the best way that I would be like my brothers and my friends at school. Yeah surprise you to know that it was not super well reviewed probably not surprised myself a forty percent rotten tomatoes. I'm to quote Roger Ebert. Who can be hit or Miss Roger Ebert but sometimes he a little off? Here's what he said he said. Tommy boy is one of those movies that plays like an explosion down at the screenplay factory. You can almost be wilder office boy. His face smudged with soot wandering through the ruins in rescuing pages at random too bad they didn't mail them to the insurance company instead of filming them. Roth well I agree to disagree do How're you reviews over over the course of your career? Do you read them are staying. I I don't read them. I actually so aside from. I've never I never watched anything Abedin. I've never seen any a blind spot. Only this stuff. I've had to Agr to dub and some of the fight sequences because I had to match it like in future seasons But I never watched it the word I the first one I saw was at the premiere and I realized. Oh I'm in here. I have to watch this. I would look I was on screen. I just don't I don't know I am not a classically trained actor. I don't have any analysis that I would like to to put into. You know I wouldn't get anything from watching myself of the Mike. Oh that's what I look. Lacquer that okay that's cool and I never wanted any of that to affect my ego for good or bad so I just. I just stayed away from it so with reviews. I just never read anything I really. I don't because everybody's entitled to their opinion and I don't mind there being lots of different opinions. You had certain people. Like sometimes my. I'll catch comment on instagram or something like that. It'll be like your the worst actress of ever seen a Mike. Okay and then knock people say oh. I love what you do on Mike. Great like it's in it so I'm so glad that I'm not just once specific way. You know my my the reason I do what I do is to try to invoke some sort of something in somebody. So whether that's good or bad I don't care totally. I often say that about the films that I gravitate towards are. The ones that are polarizing. Want the ones that are like you're going to argue with your friends about you. Don't want the ones you don't. You're gonNA forget about like what even happened in that movie a day later. That means it didn't work right so it was directed by Peter Segal. Tommy Tommy boy who also directed some other. I love directed the third naked gun film. They got thirty three and a third. He did anger management. Get smart which I think is underrated movie written by Bonnie and Terry Turner who are well known as great. Snl writers but they also created a seventy show third rock from the Sun. So they know what they're doing all chemistry and all those right in the cast in my opinion that it's on were you. Snl person because this is definitely like obviously while not taken from specific character came out of his SNL run there obviously snl writers were Eunice growing. I was I was any chance that I could watch it. I would add. It wasn't Octa like allowed when I was growing up on and I would. I would away the tapes and the best of whatever yeah. I wouldn't I album know as I got older and I was like that whole era. Dan ackroyd like about Tommy boy. Just all those comedic actor were in. Snl those that weren't they just all meshed so well together. Yes I was just such a fan of that time. Just the nineties. Yeah do you appreciate. I noticed that that Chris gets a stunt the credit in the film so he was notable for doing his own comedic stunts in it. You obviously have done a hell of a lot to your body inservice entertaining us. So do you. Do you appreciate that from like a different kind of sun performing but like do you when you see him do what he does on screen or do you like. Oh that's gotTa hurt. I get what he's doing. I get what he put himself through. Yeah there are a lot of times. I'll watch things that I I. I know typically I'll know when it's a double or when it could potentially be the actor but I don't know if hit landed so I'll know I'll go I know that. Contact the pound myself But also know what goes into that crap in the nerves and stay execution not all is. It's like a dance. It's very specific. If you're I've learned a little too close to somebody or even a little partway it can be. It can put you in hospital a so like it doesn't surprise me that he had some of his own and he did a lot of his own. And you know it's I don't know I. I find like a bit safe enough. This is what I learned in my career. You don't you're as an actress or actor. You don't have to do your sons. There is a specific department dedicated to doing that. And I've always been big on getting people jobs like I'm like as many people as we can get now it'd be great. There are times where it's it would really help the scene and the footage if the actor could in fact it So I definitely let go of the EGO aspect of that and would especially in the later seasons of spot heavily rely on my stop reformer. She just you know she would spend every day training for this whereas I'd get five minutes of rehearsal before filming half the fight and then I learned it really estimate. Learn the rest of the helmet and just like the chance for error was massive. So I'm all for doing stunts that I have been able to train for them. That are safe enough and I'm also very okay with giving knock responsibility to Heine. Yeah you have to. It's a balance. I'm sure and seems like he's kind of evolved for you over the years. You've got a more bumps and bruises. Sure now I can only imagine. I always like most people always used to ask like Harrison Ford about you. Know what about the sunset you do? And he's always adamant he's like I don't do stunts. I knew physical acting the guys do the stunts which kind of makes sense. Okay the cast out. We obviously mentioned Chris Farley. Tommy Boy David. Spade is excellent. We have bow derek out of nowhere like Julie Warner who was like a staple of like nineties films number Doc. Hollywood Roy of course and and the Great Brian Dennehy who sadly we just lost was kind of perfect casting and I don't know I I don't remember. This is probably a huge change of pace for Brian. Dennehy some Kudos to hamper taking riskin and going all out in silly crazy comedy. Like this The the other either a bunch of things. I came across second certified for context. This this was was Christmas like I big lake leading role and of course we lost him with way too early. He only passed away. Two years after this And it's striking to me like this. This fascinated me so A It was the Adam Sandler movie billy. Madison Madison came out a month before this and that was basically Adams I like leading role. So you can really see like so great right but to me you can see like. Oh that was they. Were on the same path and like sadly like. Chris had these demons that he just couldn't get under control. And just you know. You can't help but watch this movie. It's going to be I think for me and I think for anybody tinged with a little bit of sadness because you're like oh you're seeing so much potential for what. He was going to do a waiter years now. I I'm I'm I'm definitely very supportive and big into recovery because I am in myself and it is sad to look at that and no because I experienced that not been able to share that with others received from others I I. It's sad to watch something like like you know by the grace of God I this person you know. Yeah you mentioned the heat followed this with black sheep Beverly Hills Ninja but I think everyone would agree. This was this was definitely like utilized his house in the best possible. That's possible way. What are the things that jump out to you? What are the ones that you end up like not being able to control yourself and want spit them every time? I love when he tries to explain the the whole taking the butcher's word for it type of thing because instead of like forget exactly to phrasing all of a sudden now that I'm on but I love when he's trying to explain like it be the same sticking your head up a bulls. Ask things like no. The butchers can never get it right if many finally gets it right and by that point. You're so proud of him. You're like you nailed a but I love the thing where he goes to see the guy and he has. He takes the car and makes the ambulance trying to save the new guys in the corner puking his guts on because you wanted to save a few bucks and slay and the guy has done just get out and David spade great. We'll be in touch and he leaves like right away like the whole time his him being so mortified every intimate setting with Chris character is just the best thing ever. It's that's what complimented so much was found that David State was so incredibly able to play off of Chris's characters so well not try to upstage or anything like he just it just load so perfectly in because of that they were both so equally funny totally straight man often. That's like the unsung hero in comedy. This necessary totally. Yeah few scenes like that kind of come iconic him singing. I'm a Maniac Wallich. Rhonda's like Spring Down. That's did you know what about that guy in a little coat? His little a little dance which apparently was something he would do with the S. and L. offices like version of that. Mom Amazing all the fiscal comedy. I came trying to change in the bathroom. Like he was just like so like new his own body knew how to like just like get the the laugh in the right way. Mum I read that like apparently they had a sixty six page script going into this and no surprise they kind of had to like improvise and make it up as they went along a bit. And that's not a recipe for success nine times out of ten. But I guess I guess when you have. Chris involves height of his powers at works have. Have you had to shoot a film? You don't have to name names. You shot a film with a unfinished script and been like. Oh my God. Are we gonNA this? It wasn't unfinished. They as we went along there is a movie. I did back in almost a decade ago. Where things kept changing it would just. It was like based on the chemistry of certain actors and like how movie was being loosely together. It just there were certain things that just didn't work. They have to take away an ad. And so I you know I just had a role with. I mean that's my job. I'm giving material and it's my job to make it like of on to make and I love the challenge by finest script that you know there'd be times like I had to do things I was just like Oh this. This isn't the best writing in my opinion but I will make sure that I perform it the best I can't and that's my job. Signed never complained about any of that. What about you know? You haven't done a lot of comedy in your so we're talking about one of the all-time comedies. Is that something that you're excited about afraid of people? Just don't think of you for because they've seen you in a certain context like what's what's your. What's your negotiation with comedies? Well I think I am definitely not a Sitcom girl and I. I think it's I could do it but I know a lot of other people that could do a lot better. I am definitely dark comedy. And because a couple a lot of physical attribute attributes that helped our physical. What do you call it like stuff again? This is James. First conversation in six weeks earth completion. So yeah there's like things I can use. That would be helpful. You know. I have a low boys tall like there's a lot of different things I could work with that. I am very intense on camera which could be very funny. I did do nurse. Jackie and I are longer I had richards for the store elm and that took me from New York to La so able to continue on. But I loved the offbeat dark screwed up. Person like doesn't really missing cues like you know I love that it would be something I would totally be into and I do think most people because what I've done in my really just WanNa see me in drama and also like some sort of action like that just seems to be the thing that people really love and I'm grateful for that too you know but I wouldn't mind exploring comedy I white with like in my daily life and loads of people tell me like why don't you do more of unscreened. I don't know scripted by now we give it a shot. Well Yeah I mean you look at anybody known for their physicality their action stuff and like the eventually you know the first five ten years like you know the Rock Jason Stadiums careers in comedy. But it took them Schwarzenegger any of them like it took them a while to kind of like cash on their chips in like say like try me out in in this context and often it works so. I would love to see you. Yeah use your strengths in a different way. That'd be very cool. Maybe I'll get a little bit more squirrelly in quarantine middleton's happened organically there. You Go What who contempt contemporary comedies or stars or any that jump out at you like we're talking classics but are like what are the many big anymore. That's the weird thing now. I now a sweet. Jesus I know I'm trying to think I mean they're like do you end up be her so obviously I love her. She's really get the heat. As Sandra Bullock is really holdouts. Another one. A mismatch like chemistry between those two mismatched people. So well and Ryan Reynolds. He was able to tie action into comedy and all that I think he's right and it's well I mean there's there's a ton of people and it's so funny I have not turn on my TV like just in reading books and the only book I have left in my house right now is misery by Stephen King. I might getting through it and I'm like making. This is not the best story. A horror story about a housebound Persons like what I need to get some more both right. Give this sucking up. Watch some some funnier stuff. I I was reading that last night. Now I'm going to stop not GonNa go. Well let's give out some needless awards to this movie. This might be easy but best performance in this film goes me. Yeah I mean come on do we not give it to the guy? Yeah we talked about some of your favorite FA favorite scenes. Best seen you WANNA give. What's the one seen that should get the ultimate award? I mean I'm being so many I okay. I do really like the one. We're in straps that road players himself and and opens it up like he's like there is a bomb because tries it on he goes. Hey a second everybody thinks like Oh you know that that will that will not work in twenty twenty that seat at the right times but that I loved because progress and just snowballing into this like epic basically takeover where he just gets exactly what he wants. Roy Roy favorite line you know. Most of the script already by. What do you quote the most like? What's the one that you go to the most? I always say when my friends and I are talking gets confusing or something. I'll just say it's got to be your bull. Because like he talked about sticking up a ask things like no. It's gotta be it's gotta be your and he's trying to work it out like shit when is the saying and I always say that nine hundred ten people get it. Yeah you can tell if they're a good person or not if they it right. Should there be a remake sequel to Tommy boy? Do we just went along no. I don't think it's doable out Kris arly. Yes I mean David. I Love David Spade work too but I do think yeah. I leave it alone. Yeah Program Double Feature. Her folks like. Let's brainstorm some candidates if one comes to mind great. If that's what's a good movie to pair with Tommy Boy I say either dumb and dumber or a billion. Those are two excellent absolutely. Yeah I was GONNA throw in two more. You can have like five movie marathon. I throw in step brothers Another mismatched kind of comedy. Kingpin Road Comedy Guidance that forever that King a great one excellent are Tommy boy for today I do want to mention. We should mention of course spot last season. That'll thing that's five or six years of your life. That broke your body and half. What's I guess I mean? Have you kind of like said goodbye? Officially you obviously have shot everything. But what do you feel like? It's in the rear view mirror now or does it still feel presents in your life. You know I think it would feel more present at this lockdown. Didn't happen but because I've had a lot of slow time to reflect and to Heal up in those types of things like I've been able to graciously say goodbye to Senate. We've stopped going back November. And and then of course the next shaped my heads and that that's fun that's been one. Oh God who knew I had so many Calix in a slight Anyway that was that the first time you've ever done that. How did short before? This was the first time I just shaved and then I decided to bleach it for on which was like a horrible idea but why not and so yeah so anyways but yeah it's been really great and they'd NBC decided to air it a little early given the current situation here and that's been fun and I so far we've gotten some good feedback premiered last week and now it's on every Thursday nine central on but yeah. It's it's pretty shocking. What ends up happening in the finale. Like I guess if I tried because it's only eleven episodes to reach one hundred episode. We were able to really pack each episode because we didn't have to spread it out this time over twenty two or twenty three episodes right and we have the best guest stars like it gets insane where we were having. I think one time we had about eighty in one of it gets crazy. I out my showrunner. Because he's so well loved you. Just I don't know everybody just wanted to come back here. So lucky so amazing. What an accomplishment. That's great talk to me. You were saying trying to jump. Start Your comedy career. Do you know what the next you know. What the next GIG IS I do. But I'm about it. It's like it's lifting. It basically tells everybody what it is but I can't right okay. So so you're saying that if I meet with my educated guess I could probably guess what it is you don't I won't I won't go. Hi I'm excited for a potential very exciting project for you. That anybody with a brain could probably predict. Oh God you just said nothing we have the video the audit you literally have said nothing said nothing. I am also who news may not even be talking to Jamie Ogden. One glad we got a chance to catch up as I said. These are weird times but and it's been way too long to to see you in person hopefully after all this will catch up real And talk about other silly ninety s comedies. And hopefully by. Then you'll be starring in your own silly twenty twenty comedy and you will give me the best review. Of course always. I can see your house from here. No well you and your wife take care in and save and and so ends another edition of happy side confused. Remember to review right and subscribe to the show on I tunes. You get your focus. The big cost. I'm Daisy Ridley. And I definitely both oppression by Josh.
Amid A Flood Of Sex Abuse Lawsuits, Boy Scouts of America Files For Bankruptcy
"From NPR and WB. You are Boston. I'm Robert Siegel in for Meghna Chakrabarti. This weekend. This is on point at its peak. The Boy Scouts of America served more than six million children. They earned badges for skills like camping. First Aid citizenship. In the world of fifty years later kids are still showing on those badges but enrollment is down by more than half early Tuesday morning. The boy scouts filed for bankruptcy. The National Organization is facing a wave of sexual abuse claims in a statement. They said chapter eleven is the best way for them to and this is a quote equitably compensate victims who were harmed during their time in scouting the organization also says that filing for bankruptcy will allow it to continue carrying out its mission for years to come which raises the questions. Will there always be a place for boy scouts of America and is the bankruptcy filing fair to Scouts? Who were abused this hour on point the future of the Boy Scouts? In a moment we'll be joined from Washington. Dc by Carrick Kelly reporter for USA. Today's investigations team. Who's been following the boy scouts and allegations of sexual abuse for some time? Carol will be with us in a moment. A first joining us though is Marci Hamilton the founder CEO and Academic Director of Child USA. That's a nonprofit. Think tank at the University of Pennsylvania. It's dedicated to preventing child abuse neglect She's the author of several books including justice. Denied what America must do to protect its children. She's a lawyer. And she represented victims of child abuse in the Catholic archdiocese of Milwaukee. Welcome to the program. Thanks so much for having me. How big is this bankruptcy? Filing compared to what's happened in other cases of alleged child sex abuse this is the largest filing history And partly because it covers the entire nation The preceding bankruptcies on sex-abuse were in diocese. And so they were limited now. Is it clear that boy scouts of America includes all of the state organizations? Have Boy Scouts are part of Boy Scouts of America? So that's going to be part of the litigation Through the bankruptcy I they're currently Naming their national holdings but this is an organization that has holdings in every state and they have both national campgrounds and local campgrounds. And as you can imagine those are very valuable yes. I've seen estimates in the billions of the value of the of the property. The land that The boy scheduling. There's a real parallel with the bishops. Because the bishops Also have a great deal of property ownership and also were the first to choose bankruptcy to make this work for them given that I gather there is a multitude of claims against The boy scouts and we'll be hearing from Kara Kelly Just how big that? Multitude is in in in a few minutes but What's wrong with saying? Let's take this to bankruptcy court so we can organize how people received payouts. Rather than have a zillion different lawsuits. The problem is that the individual lawsuits give each individual victim the chance to get discovery to get the truth about what happened in their case. I in the public learns more through those cases. What happens in the bankruptcies? In contrast is that the case has become compressed We don't really hear a lot about any one individual case. You certainly aren't having trials And you're having limited discovery so it's really up to the bankruptcy judge whether or not this is going to be a vehicle to educate the public and aid the victims or it's just going to be an aid to the scouts themselves. It's up to one. Bankruptcy judge in in which jurisdiction in Wilmington and that judges will be determining. What's on the table in the way of assets that That might have to be sold to satisfy claims. Well that judge will decide if they need to hire for example a forensic accountant Who will look beneath the surface in figuring figuring out what they actually own which has been done in some of the dialysis in cases. The other thing that judge will do is decide. How much of a voice victims get in the process or how silence they will be through the process so This is a judge. That's going to determine justice and not just the economics of this particular institution. Does this process mean that a someone who claimed he was abused as a as a boy scout many years ago? is not part of any settlement if he doesn't come forward sooner if he hasn't come forward already well. This is the biggest problem with bankruptcy in my view. Is that under chapter eleven. The bankrupt sets a bar date And that's the time for which the kids can come forward for the first round of settlements or the major settlements and there might be some set aside for what's called the future claims representative. The problem is is that as I understand it. The boy scouts are setting a very short proposed deadline of even just eighty days for all the victims to come forward and these are individuals who have PTSD. They have depression Many of them have not yet come forward. And so this is You know these organizations love the bar date because it flushes out all victims. It doesn't mean number one. They'll pay all the ones who come forward and it also doesn't mean That they'll necessarily necessarily pay equally between the first round in the second round. There's a lot to be worked out. it's Marcy Hamilton of child. Usa and joining us now from Washington. Dc IS CARA Kelly investigative reporter at USA Today. Hi Karen Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Well the thank you for being here. The question has been raised How many complaints are there? How many People who say they were victims of abuse in the scouts. Might there be. Do We know the answer? We don't we absolutely do not In the bankruptcy filings in these many pages of documents that we saw come overnight. Monday to Tuesday The boy scouts did estimate that they may have as many as fourteen hundred additional claimants and those are people who may file suit against them or have a legal claim so that does not cover all victims additional two to how many is that additional to occur in two hundred seventy five cases so far more than have already come forward is what is what you're saying correct and we know from our reporting that Some of the law firms that have resent represented many of the victims have You know the abused in Scouting Group has two thousand almost clients at this point so there may be many many more out there one extraordinary thing about this case. The case of alleged sexual abuse in in in the boy scouts is that there was an article in the New York Times in nineteen thirty five In which a A scout executive wrote about a red flag system for weeding out people who'd been removed from the organization quote according from USA. Today's coating of this New York Times report from nineteen thirty five for various causes including moral perversion and that system became known as the scouts of America perversion file. A long time ago. There must be a lot of old cases. Yes they have known about this for many many decades arguably back close to their founding At so there are cases. Through we've seen in the sixties seventies that is a bulk of the cases but we've also seen cases that are much more recent. There was a case filed in California in December on behalf of a seventeen year old victim. Who was abused when he was sixteen in two thousand eighteen? I'd like to read you. What a listener. has written on facebook. This is Deborah Janning. I I don't know if she says The MATOVA Komatovic as a boy scout leader. She writes I would like to remind everyone that we have to deep leadership meaning. No adult is allowed in a room where to communicate with a child with any child unless another leader or the parent is included also. All leaders are required to take youth protection training. Our troop has even extended this to mandatory training for all parents so that everyone is aware of the rules and can be where would be aware of signs of off behavior. Marci Hamilton. Let me ask you Is what the boy scouts were doing now. In light of their past Is it solid or do they have a good program to try to avoid any sex sexual abuse of children so these are good steps toward a better universe? But the problem for the boy scouts is. They have a model that invites people who want to sexually abuse children to get involved The camping the parents not coming on the trips. The events in which you have adults even if it's to adults. Because there are instances where we have both of the adults involved abusing children. So I THEY. They've made steps forward Just have Just as other organizations the United States have they don't have the gold standard on the other hand It's hard for me to imagine scouting in which there would be as many adults as there are children and it just doesn't seem logical that you could. You could have a troop where there twenty kids. Twenty parents all the door. Combination of adults and And and others. Well that's the problem and I mean you could have an organization in which the parents it's a parent child organization But if they are going to persist in the model it's made to be a haven for pedophiles and that's the problem And that's actually the problem with a lot of our youth serving organizations and they have to radically change It's not enough to say that. Too deep rule There's going to have to be a lot more restructuring so children are simply not alone. I and they're just not there yet. Cara Kelly critics would say that Or have said that boy scouts of America's trying to hide behind bankruptcy to avoid Lawsuits and more discovery of what their what. Their files say On the other hand boy scouts of America say. Hey we've we've changed completely. We are We have the gold standard in preventing abuse Have they been ernest in this in this process? Trying to correct for the past. I think we're still seeing that. Play Out I have been reporting since the files landed yesterday. on a new story looking at some of the things on confidentiality that they have set up and they have gotten into that in several of the filings It looks like they are prepared for some of these documents such as the perversion files to come up and are somewhat preemptively Saying that these are are are classified confidential documents so it seems like they are still trying to hide some of those or at least keep them out of the public view. We are discussing the boy scouts bankruptcy. Filing I'm Robert Siegel in for Meghna Chopper Bharti and this is on point planet. Money is the mountaineer economists behind the carbon tax. If the baseball player trying to get a pay raise the prisoner building a blockchain out of cans of Mackerel planet money from NPR. Listen now this is on point. I'm Robert Siegel and we're talking about the boy scouts of America and why they filed for bankruptcy earlier this week. I'm here with Cara Kelly an investigative reporter from USA. Today who's been following the boy scouts and allegations of child sexual abuse and we're also joined for another few minutes by Marcy. Hamilton founder and CEO of Child USA. You can join this conversation. What was your experience with the Boy Scouts? What changes do you want to see from the organization? Follow us on twitter and find us on facebook at on point radio a Marci Hamilton. Some of the files the so-called perversion files from boy scouts of America go back decades Is there a statute of limitations on what we're talking about and does bankruptcy effect that so this is going to throw a monkey wrench into their plans to do a national bankruptcy because the statute of limitations is state by State We had a banner year last year. We opened up a lot of states but not even half of them have opportunities for these victims so for many of the victims who are going to be told. They have to meet this bar date. Soon their claims to be out of statute they will be stale and therefore The boy scouts could argue. They don't pay them That is precisely what the Milwaukee Archdiocese did with its victims. It got everybody to come in through the bankruptcy and then it didn't pay the ones that were out of statute. So that is I think the most complicated legal question and and really strategy question if they want these cases to go away they need to say they will not take into account whether the statute is good or expired. The the statute of limitations is a is a legal question of How long one can take to bring a claim In terms of your experience with such claims of child sexual abuse whether in the church or elsewhere how long typically does it take Adults to come forward and say this happened to me. I was fourteen years old but I remember it all too well. So the average age according to the best science is age fifty two I and so it is not early There are many barriers to the victims. Coming forward you'd be shocked by how many of the victims will say. I had to wait until my parents passed away. I didn't want to break their hearts so they come forward late. And we're going to see many cases that involve that age group but there are also cases of the younger ages. And so it's going to be a real span and this question of the statute of limitations. You Know Penn State did not impose a statute of limitations requirement on the victims compensated. We'll see what the boy scouts do. Marci Hamilton lawyer and CEO of Child USA at the University of Pennsylvania. A thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you and Kelly does what do we just heard about? How old The the Complainants might be. Does that square with what you're seeing documents you would you've seen in the first group of people who've been identified? Yes absolutely and it rang really true. I've heard from so many victims that they you know they don't want their names to be used. They don't want to come out fully in public because they are so scared at how this is going to affect their family That that shame that deep deep impact is is very real and something that these survivors have to grapple with two from some listeners. Starting with Jerry in West Palm Beach Florida. Hi Hi I just want to express how sad I am to going on with the The boy scouts of America My son was associated with a troop in Hollis New Hampshire and he had an absolutely phenomenal experience as a scout he became an Eagle Scout But say that I also understand that the the national organization has been absolutely negligent with how they treated these Victims and how they condoned these predators to prey on these innocent children. You feel that they should. They were obliged you think to report these people to the police when they first learned of such things without a doubt without a doubt Jerry thank you for calling. We're going to hear from Ryan in Baltimore Maryland. What is your take on this right? Hi Yeah I understand the severity of the situation and I hope that they both got some America can Bring the lion rectify that situation. I'm coming at it from an angle of I've been in town in my entire life As a youth and as a leader for the last five years though classifying it as a overall arching issue sometimes greg negative light and of local organizations which has never been any sort of problems married. How just like? Here's some comments. On how individual instances overarching impact on local about America? Thank you for that Cara. Kelly W- even if we're talking about a large number two thousand cases for example that is that doesn't mean that that's typical of scouting experience. There've been millions of kids in scouting all these us. Yes and that's something that boy. Scouts is very quick to point out. They have an entire study that the commission last year in these bankruptcy filings and that was one of the key takeaways that they have definitely been touting its the percentage is is low at the you know at face value but If you look at what that actual number is even if it's one percent two percent five percent That's still a fair amount of children But I understand too in some of our reporting there. There is a lot of goodwill with the local troops and local councils so it is probably going to be very difficult for those who are involved at their local level to be seeing all this play out across the national organization more survivors of sexual abuse in the boy. Scouts are coming forward and they have different takes on what they think. The future of the organization should be Rick who is an abuse survivor? And one of the John DOE plaintiffs identified in the complaint against the boy. Scouts told Casey are a TV in Sacramento California? Last month that he doesn't think the abuse scandal should be the end of the organization. I do not want to drive the boy scouts into bankruptcy. I don't want to see that organization destroyed I learned a lot of wonderful life lessons there but I wanna see things change because it's unacceptable for continue to happen James Kretschmer alleges that he was molested by a scout leader during a camping trip in the nineteen seventies he told NBC News last July. That the boy scouts of America cannot be repaired. The organization should burn to the ground and out of the ashes may be an organization will come out. That will protect our children. James Kretschmer calling for a new organization in place of the boy scouts. Kara Kelly. I know it's interesting. What we heard from Rick earlier was he didn't want to drive the boy scouts into bankruptcy. I don't want to see that organization destroyed. The boy scouts claimed by going into bankruptcy they avoid destruction. They they remain in operation. I think that is one of the biggest questions facing this. Entire case is should the boy scouts be allowed to survive? Continue and thrive after this when they may not be compensating or fully providing the survivors of child sexual abuse with what they could potentially get from civil courts outside of a bankruptcy proceeding. Go ahead. Sorry you'll see differing opinions on that you. Can you know arguments on both sides? You've encountered that in your reporting that. They're by no means uniform and what they think should happen to. The boy sched- oh absolutely and from survivor to survivor too. I mean one of the most heartbreaking things in this reporting is how many how many individuals have such fond incredible memories right alongside these horrific ones. They had such fun on these camping trips. And on all these adventures things that they would never been able to do without the boy of America and yet at the same time suffered horrific abuse. We're going to bring in another voice into the conversation. Alvin Townley joins US now from Atlanta. Georgia he an eagle scout in nineteen ninety-three. He's the author of two books on the scouts. Legacy of honor the values and influence of America's Eagle Scouts and spirit of Adventure Eagle Scouts. And the making of America's future the Alvin. Welcome to point Roberts. Nice to be with you. Let me ask you the question. Very plainly here Yes scouting Is a wonderful experience of certainly for for many a great many scouts but boy scouts of America. Oh lots of people lots for what happened to them when they were scout and to what they neglected to do When those people were abused as children Why shouldn't the boy scouts of make themselves whole financially And if need be sell off land that they own and pay out if it's necessary billions. I Robert let me say it adds and the heart of every other scouter. I know to know that young people were abused in this program and beyond that infuriates me and I opened creates everybody that predators. Use this wonderful program. That only only aspires to do good to do harm to to young people. And you know we're a a movement of four million people here in the United States and more than thirty million people around really goes out to to these victims who we believe and you know we certainly want them to Find Peace and I don't know what the process for that will be I hope that All parties can get there. I think what I'm concerned about is what one of your One of your respondents mentioned it was the future of this organization because it does provide a great guy for this company country and it has done so for one hundred ten years. I think the question is how This movement perseverance and gets through the situation Yo Scouting Mis Misunderstand Saudi and think of it as an organization think of the organization as the Boy Scouts of America Inc. In fact scouting's a program scheduled program this delivered at the local level and one hundred thousand plus troops and packs in cruise around the country. And that's really what scouting people saw. Hope that when people take a pause now to think about the future of scouting they don't look to the news headlines instead. I want them to think about what's happening at the local level but the legal issue for the boy scouts here Seems to be that from the local level Ever since the nineteen twenties and reported in the Nineteen Thirties as I read The the National Association has been gathering information from from local organizations and Sadly not acting on it So there is a link. There is a link between the corporate structure and the local phenomenon. The program that you describe it well insist they're they're also look. Local organizations and local troops are what? I'm really talking about it. Based on this. And they're they're intent. You know. Decades ago was to have a list of people that you know before the Internet that could not go from one place to another and And be involved in scouting. Should they have handled it differently? Yes cases I think. On the positive side the organization has done its best. They haven't been perfect and no one. No other organization is a lot of organizations have experienced this issue. But they've done a great job. I think in the past several decades in and tried to put in measures that will protect youth As Best They. Can you know if you look at the The the complaints in the The plaintiffs you know around ninety percent are cases from over thirty years ago and in any any recent is is one too many but I think. The scouts have done You know they've made a good effort in trying to be better despite some dropout there. We're hearing about the boy scouts of America and the group filing for Bankruptcy Alvin. Townley you said yes. They should have done things differently. And yes they've done lots to prevent a recurrence of these problems but the third dimension is do they owe compensation for what they got wrong for people who didn't benefit from the kind of system. The boy scouts now have Wa believe they do. I think they've taken steps to to provide that compensation no they They'll be there have been and we'll be monetary settlements also Under the scouts made available. One Who has been affected? I think again everybody. Everybody believes these cases. Everybody wants to To to these victims have where we can so I think everyone's in agreement on that Into you know so. We have the points race earlier. I'll lawyer this important movements going to go in the future an avenue having a lot of dropout on the line. So I'm going to turn now to a Another participant Dr Randy Riser. Who is also joining us from Atlanta? Georgia he's a former scout master and he's a member at large for the board of directors of the Atlanta Area Council of Boy Scouts of American addition to being a doctor at The physician spine and rehabilitation specialist. Hi Welcome to the program Dr Thanks thanks. Chris mew joint If you were still a scoutmaster and I were apparent And my young child had an interest in scouting and I had my doubts and I said look. I've I've read bad things about what's happened to kids in the boy scouts. How do I know that my child is not going to be in some way Abused what do you say? That's a that's a great question and what I what I would do and what I what I do and did do as a scoutmaster is I would open the boy scout handbook and directly inside the front cover of the boy. Scout Handbook was a a little pamphlet to tear out and go over with parents and their children together. And it talks about Youth Protection and It is a it is a very detail book for Discussion between parents and a child about safe practices and between scout leaders outlines the the guidelines and the actually the requirements. That's got leaders have For protecting US and the procedures that they must follow and it it As a scout master it was one of the most meaningful things that I would That I would do with the parent into new scouts. Now I had a boy scouts handbook. I was on the Cub Scout. But I remember having. It didn't have it ended in those days so What about people who scouts way back when are they Are they do something you do? You accept the idea that that the boy scouts of America is liable for what happened to kids. You know it's a wonderful question and and you know obviously one case of abuse is one too many and and one loss Is is is one loss to many one. Damning child is one too many There's a lot of ways to look at how to make those people whole and money certainly part of I don't know how much How much money solves it I do know that since nineteen ninety five since I've been a involved as a scoutmaster that The organization has placed that Priority is number one as witnessed by the fact that it's that that's right under the front cover of the Scout Handbook and it's only gotten stronger Since the time I've been involved for the last thirty years we now hold in Atlanta Our Council holds a youth protection seminars. That are attended by youth or youth serving organizations and their leaders throughout our community Participants have been our Atlanta city. Police Chief Erica. Shield as well as director of our Georgia Bureau investigation. I'm just curious by the way I put to you hypothetical question. Just do you hear that question and in real life do people. Did people ask you that when you were scoutmaster in? What was that question again about as my kid? What are you going to do to protect my kid? You Know I. I never had that. I never had that question as to me directly but it could be because I was proactive about it and really address that as one of the first yeah I wouldn't do scout troop Dr Randy Riser in Atlanta. Thanks for talking with us. We are discussing Troubled waters for the boy scouts. I'm Robert Siegel Informational chocolate body. And this is on point. Let me tell you about up. I the podcast from NPR news. It's short ten or twelve minutes. It's a way to guide you through the news. You need to start your day all the people from NPR. Come together to bring you the most essential news in an overwhelming news environment. Listen to up I every morning from. Npr news this is on point. I'm Robert Siegel. And we're talking about the Boy Scouts. After they filed for bankruptcy this week in the wake of child sexual abuse allegations. Can they move forward? How should they jared in Ames Iowa? You're on the air. Hi thanks Robert. Yeah I Grew up in the boy scouts. And was you know how a really positive experience and I recently Last year volunteered leader from my son. Truth and Just wanted to share some perspective and I was so surprised. Our policy was that we wanted each child to have at least one parent every meeting or activity and I was just astonished at how difficult it was to get parents better. I as a pair of myself. If I hadn't been a leader certainly would have been there Regardless of who the leaders were just you just never know no that was just something that really shocking surprise me is that it seemed to be more of a function of that I felt like a babysitter. How old how old were the kids in question? These were kindergarteners kindergarteners. Yeah and I'm surprised to hear that. Yeah I would be lucky Some days to have Two pair to other parents there. And so you have being hyper aware of of the abuse and and things that were going on you know. I myself was launching the parents because I didn't want that responsibility on me. I wanted You know that extra accountability there but So that that is surprising and it wasn't just in our group every age level. It was a struggle to get parents to come. Will Jared thanks for for telling that stride? Us Wing to turn now to to Norman. Oklahoma Elizabeth is on the line. Hi What's your story Hello I have two sons. They're both Eagle Scouts. And I just wanted to point out the fact that I disagree with your earlier guest about her characterization of the boy scouts of America as a predatory type of organization that encourages that type of leader. Because I have not found that to be the case at all our troop to four one out of Norman. Oklahoma is celebrating. Its one hundredth anniversary this year. I'm extremely proud of it. And every single parent every single leader that my sons have had the privilege to interact with. Have been encouraging. They've taught them leadership and other things that every parent can't bring to the table so I would just like to point out that my sons have both benefited greatly from being boy scouts and have gone all the way to Eagle Scout and continue to give back to their troop and It's each troop is what the parents and the scouts and the leaders make of it. Our too deep Our policy of Too deep with all scouts at all times is strictly enforced. And I just really want encourage. Every parent is considering having their child. Whether they're a boy or girl join. Bsa Scouts are really really encourage it. It's an excellent organization. I don't like to see it besmirched in this way. Elizabeth thank you very much for talking with us. Akara Kelly investigative reporter for USA Today than a lot of the work in reporting on the boy. Scouts is with US and I. I wonder we're hearing from different places all over the country support for the boy. Scouts has the National Movement. Been Down the line supportive of the central boy scouts of America. It sounds very much so I do get a lot of letters and e-mails after my stories of positive experiences from parents and others who have a connection to boy scouts saying this was not their experience they. They loved their time in the boy scouts. So I think there is still a good amount of support that said it definitely has been on the decline over the years The loss of the Church of Latter Day saints was a big blow to the organization that went into effect in January and I believe it was about an eighteen percent drum in enrollment after the church pulled out and decided to create its organization in a community with guiding almost universal. I gather correct. Yes they it was a very very big part of scouting and that was over a permitting Gate Gate. Troop leaders was that the Masters I think the wording was more that There was a movement away from the original founding morals of the boy scouts so it may be more complex than that. But that's the general idea. Well joining us now is another former. Scoutmaster of this is Dr Michelle Holmes Who's a member of the northeast region of the Board of Scouts? Boy Scouts of America And Dr Homes Physician and medical researcher at Harvard University. Dr Homes Your thoughts about the bankruptcy filing by boy scouts who America yes. Hello Robert I well first of all I like any decent human being absolutely appalled at the problem of child abuse and those survivors deserve all of our empathy and they deserve some form of restitution. I think there has to be said First and foremost and there is this complicated. Both end I have been involved local basis In Cambridge in the Boston area for the past twenty two years. I am the Charter Organization representative for a Cub Scout. Pack a Girl Tube a boy troops any venture crew Based in Cambridge and I have seen Transformative changes in use that we serve primarily or you who have experiences in the outdoors. I if it wasn't for this and I feel like there has to be some sort of balanced such that the experiences can continue to be there for young people To grow in their leadership in their citizenship in their physical fitness in caring for the Earth as at the same time as Helping and and giving back to these unfortunate survivors of child abuse. I will say that any child serving organization any you serving organization is going to attract predators. It's a terrible problem. We have to work seasonally to prevent it as much as we can and I do think the BSA does a good job at least in the twenty plus years. I've been involved in preventing In having policies to prevent as much abuses Dr Homes. Just one question Since the outdoors is is central to this experience as you're describing it and since boy scouts of America's biggest assets I gather are bits of the outdoors that is large large pieces of land all around the country camping Would it would it? Diminish the experience if BSA apart had to liquidate itself and sell off property campgrounds In order to satisfy the claims of plaintiff's. I'M GONNA leave that to the essays legal team as I said they have to be some kind of balance Is there has to be a way in which Survivors can be made whole and at the same time. The experience is pretty Continued for the young tomorrow or Dr Michelle Holmes. Thanks for talking with us today about it. And we're not. We're not going to turn to New Orleans. Where Charlie is Charlie? You're on the air. I think we're taking my call I'm an Eagle Scout I was in tiger cubs. That's the early stage you can join and then one month before I turned eighteen. Which is the deadline to get your Eagle Scout? I got everything approved I went to a wonderful troop troop forty five in Oxford Mississippi. And we had an instance Where we had to college students who are joining Volunteer They didn't know each other. They just started to volunteer around the same time And we're and we're a college town. We're Ole miss or University of Mississippi is And One of the gentlemen is now one of the Scout Masters Bill Taylor Excellent Person Father Husband Great character what a scoutmaster should be. The other gentleman was arrested in two thousand and ten of four For predatory acts against children and he was kicked out very very quickly Our Scout Masters this town Wilson and Mr Stephen. We read that little pamphlet at the beginning of the Scout Book. That was instituted. I think I remember seeing it in the early two thousands but we went through thoroughly and they had a very very Off Feeling about the guy and so he was quickly whisked away and it wasn't really surprising when he was arrested But luckily no one in our troop was was hurt. When that I just hope Yes sir? I'm just curious when that happened. And people looked back on this particular fellow you've referred to as the bad apple. Was it evident from anything in his past behavior that he would be a bad apple. It was it. Was there something that had been overlooked? when he was Given the post I think because he was closer to the age of some of the older scouts he kinda used that To maybe lure himself in he he was because he was just a little bit older than college. The Older High School Age Scouts. We thought he was cool. And you know after. We did get a vet bad vibe from him. He wanted to sleep in the tents of one of the Of Basically we had big big big tents all. The scouts would sleep and He wanted to sleep in the tent with us. In our Scout Masters took that as a A RED A red flag to get them out but we did overlooking at. I definitely so. Charlie thanks Still on the line with this is Alvin. Townley in Atlanta the Eagle Scout an author of a couple of books about scouts. And I believe now with the phone connection. That doesn't drop out all the time. Is that right Robert. When you hear a story like that You know the guy who wanted to sleep in the tent with the red flags always go up all over scouting with the reaction that we just heard described. Be Typical of what's been happening for years in the in the boy scouts. I would hope so. I hope that you know the second A scout or a leader observe something. That's a little off color that they immediately take action and I think certainly after this reason process I feel everyone is counting is going to be even more vigilant. After they already were very vigilant. And so I hope that You know like Scoutmaster Riser said earlier. You know that people are studying that scout handbook not only for its values and skills but also for that First Section on you know how to protect young people Cara Kelly. I'm I'm curious what what happens next. There is a stack of documents that I gather you start going through them yesterday or was that was that put on hold. When do we find out more about the magnitude of the of the problem for Boy Scouts of America correct? We had a stack of documents. That came in early early hours of Tuesday morning. Actually as we speak believe the first hearing is happening in Delaware and the Delaware Bankruptcy Court. So we should know more after that hearing but This this could take a year or two. This could take several several months and things will be coming out over that time period We do know that there will be a cutoff point That may be decided soon of when individuals who have claims of sexual abuse need to come forward by You know we will be publishing that as soon as we get it but it. It's very important date that people need to know because there will be a distinct cutoff. I alluded earlier to the fact that boy scouts of America is a pretty big property holder. Landholder what what what are their properties evaluated at and and what is the what are the assets of Boy Scouts Who America? That is something that we are all still very interested. in the filings. It they did say that they estimated their land and Property Holdings at seventy million dollars That although it sounds like a huge number is actually maybe lower than what the totality of Boy Scouts of America including all of the local councils actually owns We have done some reporting that The actual assets of the local councils far outnumber the assets of the National Council in New York alone from our research. We found one hundred and one million dollars in property. And that's in one state so think about that across the entire country. I think I've Seen USA Today reporting a number in the billions. Do have that wrong. The total assets of boy scouts they estimated at one little over one billion gas correct and any any idea based on what happened with lawsuits brought against Archdiocese closest parallel. Of what kind of what? What kind of awards are typically given in cases like these we really don't know We do know from the boy scouts filing that they had already paid out Including settlements and legal costs one hundred and fifty million just between two thousand seventeen and twenty and nineteen and not. That's in civil court so we probably won't see that same level of numbers but it's really going to be a battle between the victims attorneys and the boy scouts over how much money they're going to make available to the victims in what they're going to set up a trust They have very much postured themselves. That they are going to be trying to protect their local councils. And thus the assets of the local councils and the victims attorneys have made very clear that they do not buy that argument. The the victims attorneys will say You're you're hiding assets by saying that that campground Belongs to the Minnesota Council of boy scouts. It's part of the whole system and the boy scouts will say no. It's it's used by troops in that area and They've operated contained it too. It's there's roughly Bragman that is essentially the argument and what the victims attorneys will say. The victims themselves to is that well. It's actually these local councils that are carrying out these policies and in some cases not carrying out these policies failing to do background checks failing to be vigilant failing to report predators in the necessary way so they should be held liable as well. Kara Kelly USA Today. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. I'd Alvin Townley Eagle Scout of. You're still there. Thanks for talking with us today. Welcome Robert And you can continue this conversation and get the point. Podcast that our website on point radio dot org are you can also follow us on twitter and find us on facebook at on point. 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Michael Dunsmore, Bill Johnson into other boys were put through horrible unforgettable life altering experiences. One of the two unnamed boys would tell his mother the harrowing story what she heard was enough for her to call thirties. According to the police report, her son told her that he slept in the same bed as Frank Sheldon. This was unorthodox island that he the boy wasn't allowed to sleep in any of the empty beds. Boy said during both nights on the island. Frank, Sheldon rubbed his back and played with his penis while they were in bed. The boy also said Frank Sheldon place the boy's hand on shell. Rens penis and also tried to have anal intercourse with the child, but the boy refused to cooperate. This particular boy, go onto tell police about the cabins on the island Franks, cheap airstrip in how Sheldon like to take the boys hiking. You would also talk about Gerald Richards has gym teacher. He told them Richard's like to be in the room when the young men showered at school. You can tell police do they're onto something because they started to find other children that would talk about Gerald Richards. One told the story of how Richards told a couple of kids at Saint Jo's Catholic school that you needed to fit them for ethnic supporters. So he got a ruler out to measure the boy's genitals. The same kid talked about being lured to Richard's house getting talked into a massage in Richards basement in which the windows were painted. So nobody could see in he said Richards molested him. Then the boy says he swung Richards, Richard stopped. The boy said he was tune bears at the time to tell anyone afterwards. It's almost like they had a little secret society. Former Saint Joe student Michael Dunsmore able to see how Frank Sheldon, Gerald Richards behavior. Maybe resembled that of the Oakland County child killer little little inner circle, and they try to keep everything within that. And when when I had heard that these kids were were killed. My first impression as an adult was. Okay. These kids were going squeal. So we need to shot him up because we don't want anything happening. And then it was then I got thinking that could've been us so easily. I mean, the older boy, the younger boy that we talked about earlier if something had happened, and now we're in panic mode, and what are they going to just shut us all up and say, well, they actually they they drowned or what you know. I don't know. So it's. For them to be able to operate the way they did probably for as long as they did. That's it's very creepy. police kept digging. They kept talking to kids here on another boy told police that Gerald Richards had forced him to perform oral sex on Richard's. Another talked about being Richards assistant during magic shows and said Richards had many photos depicting child pornography. The magician's assistant was around for about three years with Richards and was subjected to countless rapes this point till police allot when and where things were happening said acts occurred import here on and Ben north lochs island. On july. Twenty third nineteen seventy six the police would arrest Gerald Richards import here on based on all the information. The children gave them Richards allowed officers to search his car. They found an envelope filled with photos of naked boys, Elsa fund, another envelope as a name on it. The name was Frank Sheldon at first Richards wouldn't allow the officers to open the Sheldon envelope. But reconsidered after being told a search warrant would be served inside the envelope. Police found a handwritten letter was ridden that day it was from Richards to Sheldon and the letter was a warning Sheldon to watch his phone and his mail saying to check his files and get all his stuff to north FOX island. Will be questioned further once back at the police station, and when asked if Sheldon himself had any photos or movies of young boys, Richards responded this way, quote thought he had how ever had never seen them personally. And quote Richards will go on to talk about Sheldon's philanthropic projects charitable work with young people. The police report actually says quote Richards, obviously, idolizes him and quote him. Of course, being Frank Sheldon Richards, kept going he told thirties about many other occasions in which Sheldon himself and others engaged in sexual acts with young boys. He told police have Sheldon finance trips for Richard's like one to magicians convention Richards, was cooperating with police giving them more information than they could ever possibly hope for why. Well prosecutor Peter Degan from port Huron was offering Richards immunity from further prosecution of any non violent crimes. In exchange for his guilty. Plea of first degree sexual conduct with minors and very importantly, his help in further investigation into others who committed crimes of indecency with minors Richards took the deal. Had its life after the -tective made the original rest of the schoolteacher. And we've found pictures that lettuce to mount eagle Tennessee, which then just expanded after they found the boys farm down there. That was retired. Michigan state police officer former head of the juvenile unit. Michael mois after Richards and the prosecutor cut the deal Richards, talked freely about Frank Sheldon the publications he read and other organizations that existed it was in the area of pedophilia. There were all kinds of different things that were going out. There was a a church that. Professed today. Man, boy love that was good for the child the man and devoid, but primarily the boy the church Michael Moines's, referring to is one call the poise farm in Tennessee a place that allegedly took in wayward children to help protect them. But what was really happening with similar to brother Paul's nature camp, north FOX island children were being sexually violated in films for distribution, Richard still police that the boys farm was where a lot of pictures. We're taking for the pedophile magazine better life monthly there were many. Several. I I don't know exactly. How many publications for various organizations that week? We got promoting man boy. Association's man, boy, love these magazines helped pedophile and pornographers. Learn how to recruit kids. There was publications from various organizations that were in that arena that went out today. Dente fide ways that you could infiltrate boys clubs or boy scouts or little league or big brothers. How you could get access to young men, and again, they would have their inner circle of contacts. And just like if you know somebody would know someone else who number somebody else, you're expand of of ability is in this case worldwide. Police rate of the voice farm in Tennessee. They shut it down in November of nineteen seventy six based on the information. They gathered at the boys farm they were able to link boy scout group in New Orleans to the ring as well. And it was a trail of falling. Dominoes Richards became the alternate informant for police files and pornographers wealthy enough to do so scattered. We heard that he went to my orca, which apparently is an island off the coast of Africa place. I've to have never been to retired. Michigan state police officer Michael Moi's says Frank Sheldon ran to my orca Spain authorities tracked him there, but you continue to move. He went to the Netherlands where he couldn't be extradited boxing historian, Kathy Firestone, figured out. Sheldon was in the Netherlands and wrote to him there. I wrote to 'em and ask him some of his. Interests some his knowledge about whether any shipwrecks that remains he saw there and ask him things about the deer population and other interesting nature things he might know about that would add to my book. I didn't ask him any questions about charges against him. That was being covered very well other reporters, and he did agree to talk to me. He was already in. Another one's at the time that we communicated. At the time you knew what was going on. And you just open the communication to ask about just other things. He was open to that. Right. I was I was working on finishing my book. And this the whole child pornography thing was just breaking news that time, and he had disappeared, and at least out of sight, I had a lot of dismay photos that I had taken over there. And I sent him a box of photos sent him to his attorney downstate. And with my note that I'd like to ask him some things about the archaeology shipwrecks sort of thing that might contribute to my book. Helpful. He did answer. He said he was really not happy about any newspaper people. He didn't have any good words for any of them. But he said he would talk to me about the other subjects if I wished and that's all really I wanted from him. So when you got something back within your jaw hit the floor. I was kind of surprised, but I got a call from the FBI soon after and I just copied my letter to him and France Sheldon's letter to me and sent them on. I really wasn't worried. I knew I didn't do anything wrong. So. I would imagine like anybody if the FBI called me, and it's still startling you kind of taken aback. Well, I guess I was I was a little surprised. It wasn't something. I thought would happen. So I was surprised when it did. But I, but I wasn't worried about it. Was not only comfortable enough to read Kathy Firestone back allegedly. He was still writing for pedophile magazines when he was on the Lam. May twenty seventh nineteen seventy seven at a hearing to investigate juvenile delinquency. Gerald, Richard spoke to the ninety fifth congress, and Chicago I was able to get the transcript from that hearing Senator John Culver of Iowa asks Richards year, did you actually begin to produce child pornography? Richard responds. I I met a young boy in January of nineteen Seventy-three who became our babysitter. And a model he was thirteen or fourteen years old and a neighbor I filmed him for two years, but the material was not sold later Richards was asked how many models he worked with at the high point. I would say that I would have access of thirty models. I could work with Senator Culver asks would those mostly be obtained in the port Huron community Richards, answered only about ten I would think there were only about two or three directly in port here on the others. I got from Pontiac and Detroit area by making arrangements to swap models. Senator Culver would ask Richards. If the kids came from familiar backgrounds in Richards told him yes very much. So you would add what I and anyone else that you've seen getting models would look for would be someone that had a poor family background as far as father image in the home. He went on to say, I decided in the fall of nineteen seventy five that I had to stop this type of activity because I felt I had broken a promise that I had made to get out of the bookstore. Business before my little boy was born. He was two and a half. And I was still working there. Richards would say his promise was made to God. than so much research on this part of the story. The people involved in the island at self had to go see it for myself, and what traces of Frank Sheldon remained. That's a little concerning. And we do have a massive rain. That's coming. In October of twenty eighteen I met Kathy Firestone at fresh air aviation in Charlevoix, Michigan. All the toys R other than that. It's only eleven minutes to get out there the island what we found surprising. Somebody in there. We'll be right back. I should be up and see what's in here. When new delivery comes from hellofresh. My whole family gets excited. Hellofresh is a meal kit delivery service that shops plans and deliver step-by-step recipes and premeasured ingredients. So you can just cook. And enjoy our delivery came with three unbelievably good meals, but our favorite was definitely the southwest beef tacos. Our family is a typical family everyone has their own tastes. So classic veggie regular family options. We can find something that everyone will eat with. Hellofresh. We spent so much time getting our kids food our food and with hellofresh we spend a lot less time meal planning in grocery shopping. So we can get back to the stuff that we love to do as a family with hellofresh. We got out of our recipe rut started cooking outside of our conference on. And when we did that we discovered new delicious recipes, so it's really great about. Hellofresh. Is it does all the meal planning shopping in prepping? So you can focus on a healthier you in a happier. Family for eighty dollars off your first month of hellofresh. But a hellofresh dot com slash shattered eighty. That's hellofresh dot com slash S. H A T T E R E D Pete zero. Papa store Kathy Firestone. I had just touched down north FOX island. This fall of twenty eighteen when we made the trip fall colors were on full display at a small window of time to be there. Because rain was headed our way and rain and grass runway don't mix. Well. It was. For walkabout. I imagine. Yes, sir. Our pilot checks with us just before we make our way out where we're going. I know the cabin was found that way. And I don't know if that's the path to it before. I think I walked. I don't know. It's a brisk day wind whipping around it's hard to hear each other. As we head down this path even just a couple of feet away from each other. We're headed towards the southern end of the island where the main cabin was. There really is no escape. Right. You're here. And you're. It's hard to make out what she says. But she's talking about the boys who are brought to the island saying, no escape. Nobody could hear if you were screaming. She's right isolated and on this particular day. Very windy. Our walk goes on for maybe four or five minutes, and then Kathy looks off to a right down to the south west. She was last here in the mid nineties, and she knows the islands layout. She's taking me to the main cabin where Frank Sheldon set up shop unspeakable acts place with young boys along the way, we already come across a shed that was left behind by shell them. But it seemed that Kathy was starting to doubt her memory until. It's got to be a roof roof. How the heck do we get over? There is a question. Back to the structure, but it was just the bones of what used to be the main cabin the mainframe the metal beams look twisted and warped this place. Definitely burned down at some point. A concrete slab in a fireplace. Where all that remained, but we notice a fully intact cabin off to our right as we walk over. We notice a modern bag and some lighter fluid. Somebody in there. Inside the cabin greeted by smiling woman. She's reading by the front window book. Looks like it might be an abridged version of the holy bible. She begins telling us about her love for the island. From from rapid river. Michigan. You know? Her name is fame arenas her in her husband frequent the island from spring to summer. Come here. All of yours face kids. Spent a lot of time growing up here. They actually used Frank Sheldon's Jeep which was left behind on the island here by the first owner. Yeah. We would arch kids. Learn how to drive here on the island. And imagine that learning how to drive and Frank Sheldon's cheap. Strange this cabin core. Standing in. It has two bedrooms. Bisected by a bathroom. The other bedroom are bunk beds and another twin bed. They look old. I can't help. But wonder if they've been around since the nineteen seventies. I'd never got an answer to that. Doing very bad things to children police documents, which outlined the trip, Gerald Richards, and Frank Sheldon took the island with four young boys shows, a diagram of the buildings that are on the island, and where everyone slept this cabin is where Michael Dunsmore and Bill Johnson shared a room actually stayed in this room that we're talking to Fay in. Through the bathroom on the other side of this bunk house, that's where Gerald Richard shared a room and a bed with a thirteen year old boy, it's crazy and awful to think about as I'm standing inside this room. Really? It's so sad. It's not just that. It's. For the kids that were taking advantage of Nessun her husband's, but a lot of time here. I mean, it almost looks like they've moved stuff in. I can't imagine spending the night at a place like this knowing what happened personally didn't like this place. Oh, my the bad vikes what for a long time Christian. But I think. Personally, I'm over that. Because my husband says her and her husband like the island so much. They are willing to overlook the past. For people like Kathy Firestone area. We're talking about these islands like home to them. I love I love all the islands leelanau county has five islands each one of these islands has its character and its beauty. And it just you know, I've researched them I've written about him. And it's just hard to think that sets horrible things could have happened in such a beautiful place. Firestone's spent time growing on islands like south FOX island part of her life story. Does the whole perimeter of north FOX island and south FOX island and a lot of the Manitou not as much much bigger. But I've been. Covered quite a bit of ground on all the islands. I just like to think of him as happy places and places to relax and enjoy nature not place where torture happened. It's you know, you try and find a tie between the pornography operations operating at the time in our kids and. I think it explains a lot it explains if they were. You know, caught up news pawns, author, Marnie Kunin. It would explain. Why it was so well hidden because power and money can make a lot of things. Go. That's sad. I don't know that there's a real strong connection between what was going on on FOX Highland in our kids. Keenan says our kids because that's how close she is TIMMY kings, dad berry in his family. How close she is to this entire case. She's looked at this thing from words and backwards. Birmingham in nineteen seventy seven was the epicenter of open county child killer investigation task force was getting more new information than ever before. For instance, if we get a very hot dip, it will be immediately given a tip number theories and strategies were becoming unorthodox. This is Oakland County executive Brooks Patterson is Wednesday. Coach said refined these kids along the edge of the road. Like, a squirrel drop nuts. So the next take place swirl road place late staked out squirrel road for twenty four thirty days twenty hours a day. AMC gremlins took center stage. Brook's actually suspended the fourth amendment in Oakland County while this investigation was going on. If you drove a gremlin Oakland County, you're getting pulled over in the car is getting search. On the next shattered. But it seems like every time I get one piece of information raises two more questions. The recent. It's it's a problem is because they have they don't have the the. The era motion involved. Okay. They they want that answer. We would love to give them that answer. It's not something. I'm capable of doing. If you had a blue gremlin in this area during this time. Your name was mud because people thought you were the killer. So never forget. If your eyes and ears open it could save a child's life. Maybe yours may be mine. For the atom school Birmingham. If you have information about the case, please tell investigators it can be reached at eight three three seven eight four nine four to five. That's the tip line. And we want to hear your personal stories about the Oakland County child killer if you have them call us and share at three one three two two three two two three seven. I wanna think Michael Moi's, Kathy Firestone. Michael Dunsmore, famously Ness Joan Celtic ten rock Arnie, Keenan rooks. Patterson berry king. Jessica Cooper and a big thanks to fresh air aviation who flew us to the island. I also recognize the outstanding help from anesthesia Clem, that's Joe prints and tad Davis for their help. During all the interviews. Sack. Rosen who helps produce the show Kenny else off for his help with a website, which looks great Mary Wallis and the crew with the Walter p Reuther library at Wayne State. They've Burch who made it possible to record all the film and the audio Kevin Dietz for his help along the way and Rocca the executive producer of special projects. Our team also produced a five docu series on the story. If you want to see the faces of the kids, Christine, Jill Mark, TIMMY can see them at shattered podcast dot com. Until next time.
Patti Labelle & Boy George
"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast addition of watch what happens live with me Andy Cohen and she makes an amazing pie and he's the master of smokey Hi it's with Patti Labelle and Boy George now eastern time make sure you're subscribed have a great rusty or not for cancer research tonight that just happened please welcome Georgia again funk Alex Ross guys are so talented I love your clothes so cool it's very they later on tonight's below deck charter gas brandy continued to struggle this is a doozy the crew had to jump into Action Watch you've only met one other time boy George said in the eighties at the Apollo I mean that's quite an iconic place to meet someone the you've loved thing night here's a pop icon with a career as colorful as his signature hats he just performed with Ms Fatty at the Angel Ball Fundraiser for Gabriel's Angel Foundation Thirty Oh you just turned thirty okay good all right let's get started I found out before the show that the two of you have only previous to performing tonight Jevon yes always say patty is my sister but I mean wow I like this we don't know what could happen there's like eighteen street where it's amazing it's tied I it's everywhere check out their pop up store in New York Thursday and Friday from online ceramics please welcome my friends allies and being carried off a medical emergency and they're just not letting it ruin their lives don't feel sorry for it can't you take a picture of us us here actually yes by the bar they are two designers who started collaborating when they were nineteen they become the leaders in creating grateful dead inspired all right next up shady pipe is one famous snack of a man that you wouldn't mind taking a fight out of me since I getting into music and then you know she knows who I am I do you know who I was I think it's a gender to have you thanks and you're here for a big night I mean we got Patty and George yes exactly are you guys even twenty five yet Davis pies which are available at Walmart by the way along with their whole suite of frozen foods tonight and more infamous by making a stop in the clubhouse here with burning questions says the music legend remains without question but she has inspired us to ask Lulu Kushtia of add more please welcome the Godfather God your questions for Batty and Boy George coming in but before we can get to those here's what three things I'm obsessed with tonight Thanksgiving is right around the corner which is putting me in the mood for one patties odd boy George how do you feel about J. Lo and Shakira headlining the super bowl halftime show that'd be sizzling any advice to Megan marks how some water brand new hey brandy tanner and Brian are gonNA shoot a Kayak now news medical attention she needs it we're gonNA take you to the boat rift between Princes William and Harry what do you think is going on their show I thought it was a little bit shocking he said it publicly right my brother's driving Zits Shady Shady five get ready I'm gonNA take a slice out patty ooh doug mother of twins I ever got Joe and this is a gel explosions tonight just album with no expletives it's short people are upset by how short it is well I think that you can still make things alone have swab may come and go but one thing remains boy George having strong opinions on all things pop culture I'm going to run through some current events and get your take in around a pop culture all right okay she by shady whatever have you ever gotten baked of you ever gotten there's instead of just saying the best thing about working with them I want you to literally sing their praises for me okay I'm pushing it Sagen island I need every piece of Info brand new possibly get Lia wow rockwell rockwell too shaved questions for you shady fi what's your first question for Ms Fatty do think Rumer Willis deserve to win your season of dancing with the stars Heck yes in public I love them you Taylor Swift's outrage at her masters being sold into the hands of our enemy who's your celebrity crush no I don't have really I really your idea I know Sam I really make my guests dance okay how do you Lebel Prince can you sing something praise f-full about Fred's when devs voice was attracted to that all right all right thank shady pa Tom Johnson born a star is born a Sam Sam Rockwell we can stars the boys brother he was go about dealing with the British tabloids just ignore them don't try and sue then that just makes them more angry there's been a lot of media speculation about an alleged Cindy lauper Ooh she gives me true curl your goddaughter do you were there okay with your voice dancing yes yes kimberly what's your question Hi yes my question is for Patty I what was your reaction to the rolling stones the list of the one hundred ooh that's an interesting subject all artists I think and I don't know what to think about the deal how do you feel about Kanye west new album becoming a religion take time I'm your host to Andy Cohen and the rubble clubhouse to music luminaries lighting up the clubhouse I get let by I guess status Naomi Campbell throwing eggs at George Michael's van back in the day because she was a culture club fan I didn't ever hear that story I've never had a good one three medics here he may have cool shoe young she's kicking up slightly there fred creative singers of all time aretha was number one Whitney's on it you're on it obviously if I was on and I'm happy who megadeal emailed him either of you made love to your own music every time I sing love to Mow music me like I never met Sam you never met him at night you did it I work with him but I've never met him oh my really someone giving you accomplish that so here's what Patio Boy Georgia time to complement your virtuosity with a little virtue. I'm going to list off some of your past collaborate Elton John whatever everything every no I I'm in love with me Brian Carey Gosh you wrong when you look inside your heart seem like she didn't say hello to you would you walk by it seemed like it it was online it seemed like she snubbed you or something she really did not think she was going through our illness at the come to my house we're going to go over my back in the day moves when I was singing with the rethought and all of the things are back in the daytime so she wants me auto rows we want rents go to worry from Queens say cory what your question gotTa Get away and let them do their thing but when you're you singing with her what do you do see just saying this seizing out I mean that's what we do we have the Mike later the key to singing onstage with the Retha Franklin is what because because you both have voices where typically other singers might be like okay I gotta get a even do the sun outside you really never gotten stone you never taken off the joint yeah yeah yeah no I haven't no the recording again thank you very got we're GonNa take a quick vote in California which is difficult I just say the wrong things at the right time six let's go to Sabrina from Seattle. Hey Sabrina what's your question he andy my questions for Boy George Guy High what has three children got plenty on you feel about aretha being number one she should be in the world George we got tags from someone named Sam g saying what did you allowed never really fell out with the gentleman it was like a series of incidents where we kinda just never managed to get close it wasn't that we we have unconscious it reminded her of our favorite moment in nineteen ninety-six when she was performing at the National Christmas tree lighting ceremony leaders I am sorry to say disoriented bunch is missing again and it's up to both my guests to find them Patty we're going to have you put these remote is on go over to the right I mean he's saying about the doves was just so positive but they were crime too so I just love his insane it all right about the next season of real housewives that really hills and have you met the new housewives something and Carcelle yet not the new ones but I've been encouraging read just take it to the next level and just Biz you to help her with this movie by giving her some impo and that's my baby girl nominal so you said with the win Oh many times uncoupling without any decision for me of us but I've always been a massive found her records yes I was measured like someone's records the is not fourteen and she was always beautifully kids still off but then you know you knew something was GonNa Happen for both of US interesting swear to make your point thank you very much sweeter sound to gus voices unless it's any time you read on stage with her we did a few shows together I think there was a White House you did I remember that because I asked you about that because Paul George Hi Okay my question is have you ever resolve your feud with Madonna and what you think of her decision to play tomorrow theaters with no cellphones include no no I never I was talking to which was right but never reef I would have been so an aunt president I know God Dang it all it's close it's close if you're in a rush aw which she's been sick for a while and right really knew so she was snapping at people but not particularly me. I don't think my feelings were hurt but I I really understood it's actually felt at the time you know you're GonNa be treated what you felt at the time she was in what are your first music yeah she was she was in Ultimo full you know she's about fourteen that's did you meet her George ever meet never met him she's yeah let's go to Patrick from Texas Hey Patrick what's your question unscreened your background singers are going to appear in various locations behind you just head on over there boy George you sit next to each other I think it's time for my day goes to some of the amazing celebrity Halloween costumes from this weekend Kylie Jenner or BFF. Ed You're not supposed to be if you go for it go way out grazing is respectful it's amazing great singers of respect for each other things and they know what they shouldn't did you ever sing with the reader six Jesus thank you thank you Ms Patty we just had a really sweet moment all right let's go where are these background singers now where the ball drops on New Year's Eve in a line now landon no the presence at their faces etched into the stone like the president's had their faces in this certain visual illusion of course I mean the fact that we can't see your dependences incredible tonight goes to the Zoo to models who are indefinitely by the MLB for flashing Astros Pitcher Garrett call again five of the world series I've a feeling of MLB players cups were feeling quite snug around that time show on Thursday night I'm bringing Jimmy Fallon for his for his first boy George you have a new project coming up swear swear right this is a place where they put drills your mouth and they number astacio dressed as Britney and Madonna during their infamous kiss while baby stormy dressed in her mom psychotic Gabrielle Union addresses bring it on character with their Ashley Monaco next month no you paint it's kind of a little bit more intense pain it's aw I want you to collaborate Jack elaborate with gladys gladys was amazing I mean you know it says sausage adviser who wrote my even with her way aided hitchcock and he's writing his wit right now and what it's going to be about specifically I can't tell you do you think of Jennifer Hudson will be playing Franklin in a bio-pic then giving her any type of playing has you know she called me like a month ago she performer Patti Angel fundraiser and also behind the bar we have the guys from online ceramics Alex during the commercial break the whole audience and Patty were singing Karma Chameleon back and boy I'd say what you said I said if you tell you and I was like fifty one dollars everybody else out did you ever get blowback at that time for singing too big at the time I did you did it never diminished me it did it made me sing hard made me think about I mean there were these times and it may have been at that Apollo there were times where you would come out at these shows and you would blow everybody in the foreigner song i WanNa know what love is you came out and you really went for it in a significant way a- as to their whereabouts if we can get seven locations corrected sixty seconds you both win you're going to get your clues there I'm going to tell you about a specific thing that I remember that just popped into my mind number everything no this was in the eighties Diana Ross was leading water who ultimately won Halloween was Beverly Hills Housewife Sorretto who looked incredible and j.lo's iconic green the DPW sitters is take a bold I don't drive take down the lane and you not some things and but was that a real thing was she upset that you went so big you don't know okay all right I just I five cheeses in this Mac and cheese I want to take Pattie Boyd George Patties won't be a family Christmas is on the Hallmark Channel December twenty it was real real good at the time I feel like the media was trying to make something like Oh Diana was pissed that she was were you on the same circuit at all the same circuit and the thing is supremes ended up getting Cindy Birdsong who was in micro yes and that was a one of those moments as a really could you can put them on me no I just let him on when you got there okay George come sit next to me and you sociable I gotTa tell you we were talking during the show about singing with a refund I said to you you have such a big voice in your voice is so iconic and what do you do when you said just saying and thinly over a period then you know what there's a kind of respect though you know nine she fascinates all right well listen you guys it's aim last night patty was in I am still with Cindy moving from us to them I was proud of Cindy. Let's go to chuck from Ohio Chuck what's your question Oh hello graphic quite simple conceptual allow very cool that's in Monaco and Monaco you ernest work you did in the eighties when I'm sure it wasn't a popular thing to do so it was palm and asking because I was watching it on TV and I was into it we're all performance yes and you have the to me what were before the bodyguard okay they said the Dalai Oh yes I wanna do that song honey before I can say really yes it was in the movie and Whitney killed it well and my question though is Do you ever regret turning down singing I will always love you before Whitney Houston sang it was that song offered to you partner Sir George Diana Ross performed upside down and Ross dam up says worry that night not saying not everyone was there everyone God it was your gums and they do horrible things drills Hush Dennis address this is to get your car license he got no choice but Dolly Parton and I have planned patio going to sing that song next wow right right by bogut there t-shirt pop up stores on thirty first and November first at one seven to Allen Street in the East village I'm sure I'll be seeing you guys at the dead Well my question is for Ms Lebel I I WANNA say I'm a big fan also I wanNA thank you for all of your AIDS and let's go to Natalie from Iowa Natalie what's your question hi Andy the question is for Boy George what do you think about John's does this did you read his book I haven't yet but I will yeah excited about it I mean I think there's lots of stalls yeah around the Galaxy's full of them have you sung with Gaga I would like to see that you did what did you do together over the Ramo she hired me for Sarah she called and said I'm with this Supreme Cindy did I said okay good you're making more money than you could make with us right now so I I every generation has never imagine seeing him with Glenn there's nothing to drink country inches also jumping on like girl so wow I have not done it since Whitney but I plan to put into my show one day I would like but I was so happy that when he got that song and it just went light or anything no did you ever sing with Whitney I think we did that was my girlfriend I think we did seem together yeah what but we were together warmest New York and I say over the rainbow she came out and finished it with me wow that's my yes call cindy listed with our thoughts of somebody trying to say something negative whatever you take that you should never let there be on your bucket just don't think about it before and keep I'm saying why they big and this one you resent that you didn't have the power of motown behind you because the blue bells were not on thank you you're welcome other than crenshaw with legendary thing you witness Okay Robin from Texas actually do have one more call for Boy George. What's your question Robin Hi Andy Hi Patty your view brother-in-law caught up with or yeah you famously kind of connected with Diana Ross that night were there other people that you reconnected with Tina Turner or no tall no we weren't at motown where our town yes you sing you sing and you don't have to be around certain label anything with Diana Ross I was proud of her ever sing with Whitney no tonight and now let's go to you what I saw her do the song anytime she was at Oakland Legend we love talking about the Legends Ball Dude Yes yes those legendary thing you witnessed or anyone that you aw had the biggest crush on you growing up boy George and Ios at what did and because this tells you were in the Blue Bells and she was in the supremes
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The Young Drummer Boy Interview
"No jumper cools podcast the world and i am here today with pomona very own drummer boy g. gave man just got back from texas. They fucking around with your flight though yeah yeah they fucked around with a fly fisher burly fucked me over so you're on no sleep or something like that no sleep bro. He did the show. The show's success was good man. You know what i mean. That was my first time performing al paso because i've been around texas few times but that was my first time performing there so i wind up and just crazy because i was in my hotel room. Look out the window and you could see mexico right there and everything. It's like holy shit. We're like two miles away from this ship and they got everything they put out. Some like fucking straight straight cult was pure as well. I mean i'll fuck with it but i can tell i know them for the word smell. I just know you just no but you next to the border. You come to know that if you got bad coke and you that close to moscow then you really ain't doing much you like a couple of steps away from so you have some flight but you were talking about the dilemma that you had where you have the show and then it was like you could've gone home and got some sleep boy. You went out. I went out. You know what i'm saying the they call me out there so and so's my first time i was like fuck. The show went great and all that and then they're like we had this after party so you know me and my my boy boy boy j._d. Saying he wanted to row through sounds like fuck. I know we shouldn't have done it but we did it so we stayed up to six people startle title sixes because they're doing cocaine when close to the border i understand you don't wanna aluminium. You know my friends. No i can't remember uh-huh yeah. I fucked before but it'd be like eight years nine years old. You dirty thirty. That's around the time. That was doesn't start feeling the same. I i remember in my twenties when i was doing cocoa wake up the next day and not even be thinking about it and now it's like if i fuck around with it which i don't really anymore just because it fucks my shit up so bad but if i did have a night where i went and got drunk into some blow definitely going to be fucking heart and the next day yeah. You know what i'm saying sense. Sometimes she'd traumatize you. Don't fuck with it after different the judge because it's just like an intense fifteen minutes. It's not just keep doing it if you want to do it. It's not like papa mali or some shit and you just be like you got a whole night hi to you where or like drinks lean so you ain't gonna forget that you drink some lane until a while later yeah. That's the thing about cooking. You're gonna keep doing it all fucking night. You what i'm saying now. I'm good off. We this shit. No we tried some though i ain't gonna try some shit you know what i was that all right then wrong with china's junkie just because you go on vacation dual your heart attack to ask the party. I was like fucking. We gotta make get it to airport airport six a._m. I said going to sleep already. Three roles like that should ain't gonna work. I wasn't gonna wake up so i was like stay. Evans and drummer boy showing i'll pass also like because like your music definitely speaks to the mexican community ally and that's the whole culture out there. I imagine it's a very unique vibe man. It was it was a lotta love especially because i should just went down at that walmart over there on my job right. Yeah i went over there. I pay my respects and shit. You know what i'm saying. I we talked about it at the show. I mean because you know they were talking to you. Mexicans and that in and do that crazy shit. I remember the day that there were two fucking terrorist attacks in the same day bhai dudes who seemed like they were from the same political ideology or some shit yeah i mean i i keep it real. I'm like i'm not really in touch with the whole politics side and like i'm saying we're really going on where i keep my attention to shit. There happens and shit like that. So when i went out there i pay my respects and the hope that shit was packed bro pack the fuck out and it will just love what i'm saying like i. I'm gonna go back for sure. I'd say texas is amazing general for sure like this the music i've seen how excited people are about everything and it's like it's fucking country because there's so many different cities and markets out there. It's crazy. There's a lot of rappers from from texas d._t. Garza that's the homey no same but over here in caddied in like we don't really fuck with the artists out there as we both need a d._v._d. Slapping mission but there there are a lot of blowing up. I felt the biggest one is blowing up out of there right now. Yeah not you right but more like the underground type thing like like no saying my views and shit. You now is different for us. We gotta get a couple million views out here. People are like oh this was on and out there like maybe in their section but when we look at it like fans from over here they don't fuck with me shape and then they go but that's what's crazy to be in a position like yours where you're out here. You put music videos and getting millions of us like doing when shows are sold out and everything but it's like that's how very the internet is or how many how many different types of rap fans there are. A lot of people would be like oh. I haven't even heard of that do but the meanwhile you have this like crazy ass rabid fan base yeah. It's like a weird space to exhibit is but you know what i'm saying like. I look at it like alligator. Like everything i do is like i'm proving myself to the next the next generation of <hes> of you know saying music listeners or whatever you wanna call it or the people that didn't they don't know me so i had to go hard every time and try to do some different shit like i just drama album like about two months ago and my a._p.'s already brought to come out and shit. You know meaning. I'm touching bases like phoenix and shit. You know what i mean and i got stupid thing on this one again on the next one things on the national it is by cyprus to dog right yeah. That's that's a dude. I always see suppers yeah. He told me when it's shit and he's like man reduced record videos right <hes> he did for four and i want that one. That was doing really about to hit me on that shit. You know what i'm saying. It's been like two months shit shit. I can't complain grateful. Yes yes oh is is that how did you even when i was listening to the project. I was surprised to hear you. You haven't rucci and stupid young on there. Were those like connections that you already had or those people. You reached out to some mike. I'm a fuck with your music type. Thing yeah reached out. Also she shared. It's like man. Let's get some socratic and bro. You know what i'm saying like. I'm not gonna just because like i'm not really into like you know what i mean like all right somebody got us or you know i mean we could obviously go after these <unk> bigger artists that are charging a little bit more just to get the views and get the fan base and on but if i don't fuck with it i'm not going to do it and you know saying so. I'm like fucking women. You know i mean i don young's music genuinely like fuck with it like some gangsta shit because that's what i'd be wrapping by like shit in adapting with him rucci same shit with him. Go you know i mean so it's just i just trying to reach out to people more. You know what i'm saying because a lot of shit the mexicans don't do that in for me. I feel my in my circle malo john right. You know what i'm saying. Whatever it is i mean people don't reach out more scared to spend a little bit like this is what it is when you were early in your career. Who were you looking at. As inspirations took i could do that. I can actually make shit that is like my type. Music represents my culture and really kill it. Were you someone who like new like that. The the internet was going to be such a big part of it from from day. One now fuck no but i didn't like to be honest with you. I didn't know shit like i was just kind of the way my sis started was like you know i was mainly a producer. That's what i started doing producing you know since i was doing a lot of producing this shit and then <hes> you know saying <hes> whole situation went down where like my little cousin got life and shit then i started rapping and all that so i wasn't really in tune with the whole scene but i've seen a lot of different mexican artists doing it and in like not to be addict but like back then when i would see them doing it. I was like damn like this was a really doing you know saying but then once i looked at it. I was like he wasn't is a really doing it. You know what i'm saying because now that i'm deeper into the game you know what i'm saying is like you can't take no breaks days off you. Just gotta keep going content contact carton. Take literally like when i when i started doing music i told my baby mama i was like i was doing regular shit like regular jobs and shit. You know what i'm saying. I told my we wanna. I see us moving in with me and this is like ten years now just like dropped a bomb on her and she was like a i'm gonna quit my job and just focus on music one hundred a percent dow. Who's witted cool it. You know what i'm saying. She was cool but she didn't know everything that came with it. You know what i'm saying. There's a a lot of fucking just me. I mean i i. I wasn't making money for the whole. I like fucking six seven years of my career what i'm saying she was holding she down really but you were taking a like all the way serious. A lot of people forget about that like that. They might have just started hearing about the last couple of years but they forget about the fact that you might have to grind for really long time to get to that point. Mass still still gonna right now. I'm still grinding. There and i was begging in the music. You know what i'm saying from different people and show you know for orange from the industry. You know what i'm saying like. We got the numbers. You know what i mean like doing. Shit like you said you know so. I said it's just like everything's like approval. I wanna prove my point right like you know. Let's go out there and we hit a million views all right. Let's hit two million women this time sean. We sell out this show. We're going to sell out that show l. but mainly. It's about the music saying fans though because without the fans bro i wouldn't be shit. Defense is really fucked me. Hundred percent you know now this was news because you know that they really feel like you're speaking specifically to them about their experience because you are from such a specific kind of background that fucking relate to you know now i mean we have like you know saying like for for them and for everybody that folks like that you know saying flag really high you know but at the same time like you know i'm reaching out to different artists. You know what i'm saying. I don't care if they mexican care. What would they are like. Let's make if i'd like fuck vocal music. You know what i'm saying and i don't even need to know what the fuck you know. I mean i'm trying to work with low. P up there and fucking you know saying. I don't know what i'm saying. What pilo you know what i mean different castes. It's like it ain't it's about the music is about shea me coming together making dope shade i say so. What was it like coming up in pamona because that's like i've only been there because there's this like cafe type place that used to do hardcore shows too. I forget what it was called but it was like right in the downtown area so that's the only glasshouse yes that's to actually spot other two. I don't even know existed probably doesn't anymore because there's five years. That's a moan. It's like you got. The glass house in the fi. Fox is kind of spots yeah and then all around there. It's like one block. You just got all kinds of little clubs and shit like ramona's like a weirdly good place as for like to see live music like average town like that is not for some reason promoted totally is machine like went there this and show some big artists like that they went to the glass dish. Oh shit for real sook yeah. You know what's crazy like. I just got booked for the glasshouse october fifth. I'm gonna just shamelessly plugged plugged shit <hes> and that's my first time getting booked one of the iconic spot in pomona and his crazy 'cause i've been promoting for me and my whole whole life i was born in <hes> so that was a big accomplishment for me and shit right. You know what i mean so through soup yangon it the homie lomax i throw money shays doctors for high tone too so that was going to be big that means a lot to me because they wasn't fucking before like gang gang ties and shit like that so they thought it was going to be a lot of drama mansingh especially if you watch video yeah that's what i was thinking like you. Just gotta be like the way that all the really gangster robertson chicago have like a super hard time performing forming in chicago it is it's like they're going to assume that like people are going to be pulling up that are going to be one to see other people in the best shape right yeah yeah you. You know it's crazy. Though i'm on i'm gonna be one hundred percent honest with you like as i progress in the music and as i'm putting off from my city like ivan bro like i even have people who are definitely considered my enemies like one hundred percent coming in my shit like yes right off the city. It makes me seem like i'm doing we some bigger. It makes me feel like i'm doing something bigger. That's dope because i mean you kinda. Gotta assume that if you get big enough for if you really are like speaking peoples experiences enough that that's is going to happen like i'm sure that there's a lot of people who listen to nipsy or why g or whatever that are from places where they're not supposed to begin allowing them but they got big enough to the point. More people are able to put that aside. You know exactly yeah. That's me out though i mean it's been happening for last year and a half now rossi she you know what i mean different people accommodating for different sections of pomona that they know we don't get along but everybody's kind of coming together and kind of like all right yeah. We fucked with him. You know what i mean so that's a big accomplishment probably spent for me too because when i was younger man i was. I was really out there fucking shit crazy. So what was your upbringing like in pomona. I'm very interested about what what sort of what was the household that you grew up in like shit i got i got four brothers and three sisters bro. I mean in my parents. You know i mean they came over here from mexico so you know it's always a struggle like that for them. If you only if i didn't even know who you are and you told me that you had seven brothers and sisters i would just assume they were mexican mostly mexican thing at this point how many kids bats you know saying maybe putting into work eh work but girl pregnant by looking at her here that i haven't had experience either but the average you know what i'm saying like you know same story bro. You know what i mean. It's the same boring story that we you know growing up in poverty. We didn't have much shit. You know saying same shit. I grew up in. I grew up in the heart of my neighborhood. You know saying from the neighborhood are from so i was kinda like that was not really like a question like you know saying all my brothers. This is from my neighborhood and you know what i mean. It was not really like oh shit i should i not say i was born in it. You know what i'm saying so i might as well just be from but so we'll you you like. Would you say you grew up extremely poor because you just had so many brothers and sisters. That's gotta be super hard for your parents to take care of that many people right yeah it was but you know what they did a good job because i didn't <music> actually know how poor we was until like you know saying later on like you know what i mean now that you know <hes> you know everybody in my family's making good living. You know what i'm saying. You know what i mean like my brother my brother smoking man. He got outta jail. He went to why it for like five years. This was back in the day though you gotta just started making businesses making businesses businesses and he had me working from that he got me like my first job and shit yeah. You know what i'm saying is right now the gardening business you know saying i know that's it's funny. 'cause there's mexican regarding business. He went out and he by like he's just like on a on a on a win brow. He like by like all everything like brand. New fucking law moore's backers whatever i mean but now she's using words by the way the good thing is now is that after autumn years of him grinding wining boy he also he owns a mill a multimillion dollar business now and yeah. That's that's his son right. Gas want boy rate. That's best case scenario will just be able to start. Businesses is in their area to be the and stuff. That's not even necessarily involved with entertainment or any of the things that we kind of the obvious things are going to or whatever yeah exactly so so yeah. He had my back. He's he's one of the reasons why i'm doing music. My brother my brother my brother hazy. He's the one that show me how to play instruments and how to actual actually like fucking gonna on keyboard and make sounds shit you know me and my brother still. He's always been there. You know what i mean so i had a lot of support from them and shit but my brothers monkey definitely kinda me on money tip industry and really think about like my neighborhood wasn't really about hustling like that's talk about like selling drugs and shit on my music because i on everybody did it if i did. You know that a small-scale saying i mean with us crazy. You can just teach somebody. They put somebody on a hustle. The the next kind of switch up their mentality was your mentality. Just straight up like i'm just going to be on the block is going to be all the time yeah. That's what it was. I talked about this few times. She you know what i'm saying low interviews. We did press one but yeah it was just like he kinda like distracting me. From you. Know basically ended ended up in jail for my little cousin got light bro. He got jumped into my neighborhood two months later. They give him thirty two years of life and shit so that's type of shit just to give you an example do for the record but he do better got allegedly allegedly like you know what i'm saying. That was the murder that took place and shit you know and it was two months after he got put down and literally probably less after he got put in on the neighborhood and that's kinda just normal. It's normal to us. You know what i'm saying like. It's kind of like a neighborhood like expect you to do some real time and <hes> you know what i mean. Whatever but my kind of like a snap out of that shit man you know <music> saying you gotta make some money. You want some good. You know what i mean. You wanna fuck and do some good with your life makes me money to do it so you got interested in producing just as a hustle so basically he put me on like a mom. I think mainly he was doing a distraction but like i remember the first time that we've talked about it. He would like <hes> <hes> he was showing me. We go and we got the fucking go to the store and bought the cycle round like the album that just came out and he'll be like listen to these bs bro. Listen to these. He's busy shit. You know what i'm saying like makes it like that get ideas and then we'll listen to sugar free we listen d._j. Quick warren g type of this type of style producing that there was doing this shit and right so he kinda like installed that into me but i was always trying to always dabbled in music but i never took it seriously at all because to distracted. We're hanging yeah my friend just doing crazy shit show. You're gonna when you're young. It's hard to convince somebody like like if you could go back and i could talk talk to my eighteen year old self now is like so many things that just seem obvious that i didn't really get at that point about what you should be focusing on your like the primary things as being that like getting fucked up and violence aren't as cool as you think they are at this point five. I mean nobody's gonna want to check. This is what i say this. This is for like hooked on drugs and and little home is that are you know means in the gang life real tough. It's like you're never going to change their mind. Um they they literally probably had hit rock bottom and fill it themselves to be able to wanna change their life. I feel that for for that same way about people that are like really stuck on drugs to shit. You can't just snap it out of them. You can't send them to a fucking fucking. You know whatever kind of house that is. He's halfway house type shit and fuck dying sooner yeah. They rock bottom you. You know what i mean so i think when my cousin when the joke used them when he's my cousin but he's like my brother dog so we spent every single hour. You know together like everywhere i mean was he went away. That was kind of like a i open it for me because i went wild like i wouldn't like stupid wild and shit inspiration when you needed just basically to go all out at that point i i went all out out in the streets when he did that. Because i felt like you know life fuck everybody like he gone saying and and and you know i kind of had a hick rock by rock bottom myself and and my buddy kinda just pick me up love story saying in the words of walker flock a ever since they killed my my little bro- there is a cure to my little brother and pardon pills and crazy summed up like so many people's life experience that now like something really traumatic like that happen to them and then and they just basically went crazy for a period of time yeah yeah that's real though i mean that's a real life experiences and shit that people do. I guess you know what i mean but i'm on about the music music now man like you know what i'm saying. Don't get me wrong like you see my with me everywhere and shit. You know you know my home is the women but the tip is me. We not trying to cause across no drama shit. Ain't nobody banging on foods. You know what i'm saying just randomly like should we used to do in case. They know this is this. This is my businesses the money you know i mean and not take care jared him. You know what i mean. The people that folks me people that helped me do my music people around me. Everybody eats off with doing shit and i know a lot of people might say that online but but they wanted to ask you could just ask my homies and they'll tell you because there's a lot of lima for say they take people. That's brazil. Ah get complicated because it's kinda like listened to your music want to hear vivid depictions of us sort of gangster times comes in your life and shit so it's kinda like when you're rapping about all the street shit regardless of the fact that you might be sort of separate from it at this point. Do you ever feel like that is almost like inviting conflict conflict to a certain extent like i mean some people do it more than others in the sense that some people are just straight up like dissing the other side and their music like that but you might also know that if you do that i should that your fans are gonna do a song about some other hood or whatever people are going to be like. Oh yeah that's shit. I just don't do anything that you're trying to do just to get looks or just to get attention. Don't do it all the music that i make any and i've made i made a couple of districts to you know what i'm saying and the out there and people people not how it is and where <hes> this time it is to you know what i'm saying but that was just shit that i was feeling it was like a whole album row was pissed the fuck off i mean and i was like you know what fuck fuck you fuck. Everything goes so it was just real feeling organization in like you know if i'm going to do anything cars attention or just to be like oh. I'm gonna go do some so i could go viral. I feel like me being fake me so i wouldn't really try to do a lot of people kind of get hooked on that shit. Certain people like don't really get that much attention for their music but then if they did somebody they do so they started like addicted to it. I don't no how to exist otherwise it's kind of weird yeah yeah it. Does you know what i'm saying. That's why even like even when it comes to the museum like chasing radio and shit like the chase radio. Whatever you know what i'm saying right charisma like they started spin joins the habit with like fucking with <hes> would like soup young cats shit so i'm appreciate that hundred percent but i'm not gonna lock myself in and be like yeah. I'm gonna try to make everything so they can spin it. Let me try to make this because it like. I feel like you got to at this point. You gotta just make more people want to hear. There's so much evidence out there whether it's like you know look like somebody like blue phaser shoreline mafia or whatever whatever it's like. There's so many people who are basically just being raw giving you like. They're fucking depiction of wherever they're from people like that. It's just making the best version version of who you are what your culture is about or whatever is about making the bass version of that not like like you take some fucking singer like they don't oh bob with it all and putting her on the hook. That's not more likely to make your song blow up. Allah does not really seem like it works that way anymore. Yeah yeah i. I don't think it does you know what i'm saying like. I've been having success in you know. I'm blessed saying to be able to to to be raw matt now but i trust me. I don't feel like i'm you know people telling me like man you on. I'm like ryan on yet but i'm going to be on you know what i'm saying so but i'm blessed to be raw matt and you know i mean everything. You know what i mean. This is my this is my only job. This is my career now. You know what i'm saying so i don't take it for granted. You know what i mean but it's all about what the fans bone like whatever the fans like. I'm never never gonna deviate from what i started doing because i feel like i'm gonna lose my my core fan base chasing some bushy house the spotify money ashes nice. I think that's like spotify and apple music is there's like keeping a underground superstar. You know what i mean. That's just as you know very well. You know i mean even a couple years ago. That wasn't really a thing like it is now right. Yeah i mean they picked up more yeah. I mean as you as you drive more shit like it's like a snowball effect. You feel like you know more records guys spending on spotify or apple music. It's like snowballing that money role in thankful for that shit. You know what i'm saying because that's just paying my rent paying my whips. You know take care of my son and you know what i'm saying. Ah i could pay my shit. You know the same people that work on my base my manager my engineer like they get checked for me. Every month you know saying so that's beyond blessings by me so happy about that shit nah as far as like the ultimate goal for sure so so going back to sort of ugandan involved in this surly on so you're making beats. Like how far did you actually get making beats. Like how successful did you get it that before. You turned around the the thing was i was. I was making beats for certain people <hes> at first. That's how i mean in a lot of alison because we opened a studio and i was just the engineer by i i mean and my and my brother-in-law exhibition he was he's. He's shown me out like work the because i was on bro when i started making beats on n._b._c. rolling rolling n._b._a. Thousand brown like a big ass fucking machine like that and then when that ship broke down i hate him because he was on like some little fucking shit on on a on a computer. They'll it'll be making program. I him over and shit and he showed me how to work that. So then we opened the studio as i learn how to record people then like you know saying a lot of cats l. a. different rappers would come record and then i'll like they'll ask if i had beats and shit and i'll just like play a beat because that's what i was doing daily like night and day. I'll wake up go to sleep making be an engineer for anybody important or interesting. I mean in their own ways and shit. You know what i'm saying you know man but mostly salon du undergrad do because that's the thing once once my cousin ended up getting incarcerated brothers like he's like man like you need to start. You need to start wrapping. I had no confidence in my cousin rapid like yeah. He was wrapping. He was the star and he was wrapping our b._c. and be wrapping his way ahead of his time but i'm like like like i don't even know how much ahead of time he was until now like i listened to this shit that we recorded now. He was spitting. You know what i'm saying. I was like this folks like us right now. He'd be on he'd be wrong. You know what i mean so but he got some help coming in the law. They changed the law that you can't get life. <hes> when you're under twenty one really yes so a lot of homes are getting play with that really yeah because a lot of my homies brother got for my neighbor. You know saying like these are hamas. I fucked with people really no me like generally not just people that are from our neighborhood. You know what i'm saying. My neighborhoods not huge they. Are we life sentences before they turn like nineteen and shit. Ah i forget who it was. I saw somebody talking about it on vlad. Maybe it was us talking about how you just not a ton of people who get locked up for like the first attempt to the first is criminal thing that they did so early that it's like. They didn't even have time to like realize they were fucking up. When if you can get sent away for fucking twenty years forty years whatever for of just doing one thing once that's crazy about well. My cousin got busted. There's one other little homeys with them. He was fourteen years old. They gave him like two. Wow fourteen taymor team hold sh- barely even bussing combustion that and it's like it's like this you can't you can't even like legally legally make the decision to have sex at fourteen but they're saying that he made the decision to shoot someone or whatever it is and that like they're so so confident that that's an accurate depiction of who he is as a person exactly that's crazy. It was young brown looking to he's gone. Homey was sixteen eighteen gave him. They gave him sixty years when i was saying so probably just haven't do you go in and visit them like you see them as like just changing in the sense that like if you spend your whole life growing up in prison and you've got to fucking something different about your personnel made it from obviously home right here ten years so he he could he could tell us unload differences because out here now. You got iphones shit. You know what i'm saying like. It's always a fucking strange thing to see. See people come out at night all kinds of although i think it's a fucked up thing. I don't think the gang pre the prison reform you aw he said made him improve. Even more. I got friends in jeddah iphones though not really weird experience texas to somebody and it's coming back blue and they're locked up dashes freaky. I mean come on man two thousand nineteen right. You know you find a way to do anything lean leggate shit. I did an interview take. You just started talking to my pad and i might like fucking. He got in trouble for having a pet right after that and it's like you said that because i sent it to his management to review it and for some reason they didn't think that it was something in addition even be worried about admitting deva fucking ipad. Thank you go get another one after that. Don't give a fuck flu started. A gang in jail called the little rascals. That's really like a losing their rounding up started his own now back to that though i think it does it does have some people like you know what i mean but i think at at the end of it you just thrown into especially at a young age. You're thrown into like a jungle bro full of like like crazy more. The fuck is dog so it's like come on you. Can't you can't now you know the homies fourteen all he's gonna know. Is that so now he his career career is going to be the hardest motherfucker to live. It's gotta be right it after fucking just living around the savages for that long i mean i know he's he's like that too in shape and some come out and go back in concert yourself. Just real lucky that you didn't get caught up during your time doing bullshit bell more more than likely <unk>. It's like you know what i'm saying. I give to god and shit. You know what i'm saying because i mean that's just too much on it but like for real like i'm like man. I mean my cousin in you know saying my right hand. Man got thirty two years of life. You know what i'm saying. I was i should i should be there with your living for him and a lot of ways hell yeah yeah you know saying like yeah. I sent him money and shit like that. You know what i'm saying. I take care of him. You know what i mean like whenever he needs you don't even like asking. I'll be like my fucking ask me. I'm i'm doing okay. You know what i'm saying. I as i got you. I mean i think that's very important. You know 'cause we had this dream back then and like you know now's materializing for me and and if he comes out you know i like you know what i'm saying. He got a court date on a on a in october october twenty second. He has a court date yeah and that court date they're going to they're going. They're going to release him or not unusual because they've been going at it about that new launch. That's crazy yeah. How do you <hes> how do you talk to like your young fans. Who listening to music and it's got to be kind of awkward for you because on one hand you you know you are from the streets. You know everything that you went through and all that kinda shit but at the same time like you wanna be able to tell them not to make the same mistakes that you did like. How do you go about having those conversations. How do you think about that. I think i think i've had conversations with with with with a lot of fans. Shit you know saying about you know that and like me on how to make it in the music type share to us very frequent question but <hes> i think <hes> shit when i get my shit is not to glorify you know saying like i'm not growing finding this. All i know what i'm saying. I can't talk about you know same being rich and spending spending all this cash and and doing all that you know saying because that's not what i lived you know what i mean. It wasn't <hes> you know. I mean i wasn't trapping so i can't talk about trapping event. I can only talk about what i knows. So by by. You know i mean i. I don't want anybody to get the misconceptions that i'm saying you should be this. You're going to be cool if this this. If if you listen to my music you wanna hear the the bad shit that happens. You know what i'm saying like so maybe in some type of way. I'm not trying to preach. You know what i'm saying because i'm not perfect as well. You know what i'm saying. I mean like i mean i got my <hes> blasted all over but at the end of the day i'm <hes> i'm not trying to preach but i'm just trying to tell you guys like this is my story and this shit can happen even now even right now like this is telling them like saying my little cousin jet for life. You know what i mean i. I don't want to go to jail for life. You know what i'm saying but i'm never gonna forget where i come from. That's why you see my home with him. Yes you see my my my real for my neighborhood that you know what i'm saying that the voucher me. You know what i'm saying like with me. I don't have to be over there running a month. Komo media shows and they can run amok shows. Go fuck some bitches. Go go have fun. Do you wanna do do some different. Go yeah so. I think that's the best way back. Explain you know boeing people ask me. I tell them being worthy like even even catch me. Try to join neighborhoods like now. It's like me like you're going to join the neighborhood that now this comes with it and if you ready with that then you ready to give up possibly give your whole life and be a career criminal. Go <music> into that and shit like know what you're getting into back there and nobody was really telling us that. Nobody was really telling us it. It wasn't like the fun fun fun my neighbors my love for my my mom homeys no my brother's. Everybody was doing it so it's like fuck fuck it. Let's go. I wanna do that too. I'm gonna go run around fucking acting the fool and shit. You know saying it's fine now. How big of a part of your early success we get your name out. There was is the fact that you were working with king a little interviewed re- relatively recently when i started working with that cat i was producing firm so i produced about three to four songs on every record he every album released since two thousand thirteen you know saying and i think that was good for getting my name out there and shit. You know saying more than it. Was you know man. You guys super tight like were you looking <hes> yourself as the next rapper under him coming out or is that kind of a misconception if i was up next after him type she's got fifty descend then you got fucking young buck like you know his his artists like his next artist. Was that the way it was being presented because it feels like a lot of people are not hurt. Kurt sorta real concern but you not working together anymore. Yeah i mean he's doing his own shit. I'm doing mine. It's just it's a little hard to be to artists in the same record label saying and and i'm not i'm after i'm after that big pot go. You know what i'm saying so was that you guys stopped working together as is just kind of hard for you to be second fiddle. I mean if you want that's probably the easiest and most you know political way to say. I mean so you know you know doing his shit. I'm doing my shit. I'm getting my success in enemy now. You know i'm able to drive from my family from my tell me so i ain't complaining. I'm happy about it. You know saying visit weird because the fans just like want answers about this kind of thing that they want there to actually be a big beef and for there to be a bunch of disowns but instead you guys are quiet about it for the most part. It seems like yeah yeah. I wanna tell you like this. If there ever was real beef out they'll never know about it. You know saying because ah the way i was raised. I wasn't raised to say names and station on the internet. So you know what i'm saying. What did it didn't take place. The fans will never know oh because it's just about the music enjoy the music. You know what i'm saying. You know what i mean and you know what i mean. Are some gangsta shit like if you know anything happened to happen and shit like that you i mean i wouldn't. I wouldn't publicize it right so does that weird though because we live in a world where some people straight up this rat themselves constantly and their music and stuff and that's just like a part of hip bob now. It's true though it's like so many people like so many times we hear about somebody getting conifer something where it's like damn. You really did not have to get caught up for that rather than yourself. I did that vladimir view on yourself real quick. I think i'm pretty sure i didn't broke but he was asking stupid questions was he really easy crashes bro like i was like oh downside like what have you size alana. What what did he say that you thought was kind of over the line. I mean just put it this way. Everybody wants to be real heavy on the gang shit and there's ruined cities gang sheets. I should summit up. You know what i'm saying like. Can't you can't talk too much. I think that's like going to interview though is that you got to kind of think of it that way where you know some people like like like if he's he you know the vlad is going to ask you what set your claiming or whatever it is but that's what you just got to maneuver it. I thought you handle the good because you said like i was in. I'm using ship but i'm not gonna sit here and say it. You know it's like he's. I swear to god. I was little sketched out before those interviews started dropping and i was like dude like i hit a. I was hitting like you know like my p._r. People blonde man to come out because when i come in and i interviewed like i said it's a scripted like i'm not here to bush. Nobody question. I'm answering goodness gooden situation though because he didn't really say too much about it like he's doing doing your job put out eight episodes but did you get any of the titles 'cause he goes crazy. The title title's man vladmir titles. I mean you can't be talking about cartels she. I don't know nothing about the car pro german talking about cartel. Tell you talking about right when he asks you a question and then your answer's basically like. I don't know i still like i don't know about this because because you could potentially be in a situation where somebody could be like. Why are you talking about the cartels. You would kind of a hard time saying we're not talking about him. That's not make me fake. Uh meter cartels when i don't know much about the cartels at all from all i know is stories before me so me talking about it would make me a fake person. You know what i'm saying. The acting like i knew this and that but then you wanna title the fucking video that but go ahead man it's kid murder beats is not one hundred percent happy with me right now. Because i titled his interview like like one of the chunks of it i titled it. Myrtle beach talks about leaking migos music. He produced which he said it the title but it's kind of like what you you'd literally said that like i was sitting there thinking like damn. I can't believe saying this but he said it kind of weird. Yeah i mean you can't get mad at me. I mean you can't get mad at you. Know what i mean. I'm not mad. I do this thing. You know what i'm saying. He knows how to get those clanship so it is what it is. You're fucked glad there's a it's. I don't have their hey hey. I probably won't even be mad at. It's weird though it's a weird experience looking through the notes from the podcasts because i'll always have my intern basically just just do a list of what was talked about and then i'm sitting there looking at it trying to think about what the titles could be if we're gonna pull like segments from it or whatever so. I was kind of weird because it's like you're basically basically like what are people going to click on like. It's never it's only shit that involves like confrontation or drama or whatever like i titled one. The other day like black taser talks about how got obsessed with stranger things. Nobody slick shit <laughter>. I was like what do you think positive title that nobody wants to hear. I should know i get it. I get it you know saying that's the same way you know what i mean. That's why we it's the same thing that's why we the videos look like they are. People wanna see people wanna see see and hear shit interesting ship saying they want to hear shit about a life that they live right. If you have ever been through a situation where you like could've could've got arrested or you could have got shot or whatever people want to hear those stories especially in interviews because most people never gonna live that so i was interested in i mean in my case. Just listen to my music. I and i and i promise you one hundred percent and i'm just i'm not like these other type of average. You could ask anybody around how many people that don't know me. I what i spit on my on. My shit is factual man. You know just interviews talking about shit like that uncomfortable. I sent my parents. Did you avoid it for a long time like doing interviews because it just kind of felt like this sort of goofy thing to be doing good. Just go out there and put your shit on blast the <hes> yeah i never done on done be better when i my first interview real interview ran like real nine to three and should to that's one of my favorite ones yeah cavs d._j. Head right yeah yeah. Okay fuck with them like genuinely. You know saying like you know after that. I was like you know we got a mutual respect for each other and shit. I feel like you know what i mean. I like. I really really like that interview out of all of 'em shit. You know saying that's site. That's like a ten one one. I guess you did look kind of uncomfortable in that and then as soon as we sat down and started talking. I was like he's like a different person. Thing was in the vitamin but you know it was just too much. It was just too much questions. <hes> he went down like this but fucking managed over. It's out there on the road now. You can't take it back. Thank everybody got to do it. If you want to be a rapper you should have to one of us and then you can talk shit about it after one time just for the history books. I've not targeted it. Just talk shit. I was genuinely genuinely bro. I was getting anxiety over that motherfucker before like when the episodes dropping and i was watching the title house literally literally getting ziobro like motherfucker like what i'm saying is not going to give me caught up with the shit that you put it on a caption possibly game. You feel like it was worth it because you you got enough. I knew people hitting you up interested in your music or who saw one of those crazy titles and we're like listen dude who might not hurt you before a late bad if you got me some new fence thank you. I've appreciated one hundred percent but i was really sketched out about those titles. Let's say you know i'm saying no go through it. I was thinking about that when i think about going on vlad. That's what i think. I wonder what my titles could be this time you yeah. It's gonna be like every conflict. You had the house to get to. What is he going to name that part. What is he going to name. Oh germany doesn't say is getting so far. We talk about him like evil genius. Hey dr evil. He's doing his thing. Hey you know me. I like does like he just it's like so clear that he knows what he's doing and he just every interview is just he knows how to maximize semis it reviews and this is very smart and that's why he's surged ahead of us. He got like three point four million subscribers when we're over here just barely hitting three titles man settled around this titles. I mean bro. I can name a fucking song right now. Crazy title that everybody wants to hear and i guarantee that's just going to go off. Have you heard right now. You robbed the bank and that's one thing that i think is funny is that now now young robbers come and do interviews and they intentionally troll troll and fucking. Just we'll make some shit up or lie about some shit. I felt like i've had people like that. I know come in here and just basically bullshit me and just tell me a fucking the story. That probably didn't happen as a fact but they know they're going to get some crazy. As title anything is kind of funny the weird world we live in a real fact though oh man people will be talking about shit that they really don't know about in just to get that little fucking shit line shit but is it hard for you being somebody that's kind and just like straight up. Dude and you are in a world where to be a rapper. It's like basically people want you to fucking six nine out here and just be while be with people acting like an idiot probably a case or some. Should i mean i'm sure people want to hear that but my core fan base bro buckled whatever i do as long as i'm not over there chasing chasing stupid shit like they fuck with it so you know i don't know i don't really have to do too much shit so you know the alpha like they ask much more is that they were coming up with me and she looks good when you build back kind of relationship with fans that isn't built on on some stupid. Shit was that weird for that like one year period where six nine was clearly the biggest mexican rapper in the world where l._a. Must have been kind of strange to your magazine rapper and then all of a sudden you have this mexican rappers the biggest freak show on earth coming out and getting all this attention and it's kind of like a lot of people who are sort of looking at that like oh. This is what hispanic wrapping has turned into yeah. I mean it was weird. I mean i never really spoke too much ain't even putting the nimmo in my raps about and then shit fuck some of his shit. I was like you're lying. Nodded your head to gum. Oh no yeah. He has his bankers bro. It is what it is but yeah masterminded at one way or another okay saddened shit. I'm of the opinion that he never wrote should okay see that's fabrication. I heard what happened though i heard i heard he was in the italian shit or something like that so that's already. That's already know go. I think think that's going to be the thing that's going to dominate rap news over the course of the next couple of months as soon as that happens is when he gets up there and actually starts tattling and we get to like hopefully hopefully see video of it or at the very least hear about it and shit like that yeah. That's going to be like most high profile. Snitching has happened in so goddamn. Hopefully we get like just be witnessed. We have video of him snitching. That'd be such a gift to the internet memes man booth go nuts. I'm ready numbers. Go back up. Oh this is going on no matter what because he's a fucking genius regardless of the snitching idiot or evil or whatever you know what now that i think about it's kind of like a kickback dude. I think he's just the best at that yeah right. Thank land all the parts of you that make you like our respectable. We'll dude who people think is a solid person or whatever like the fact that he lacks a lot of those is why it was able to become a superstar. You know yeah yeah yeah. I know a lot of people were mad at him and shit. You know what i mean amounted. I'm getting all those jews locked up. All the actual wasn't mad at <music> act like truthful that he's snitching and all that then you know saying that. This doesn't fly like i can't fuck. There's back people that i grew up with told. I'll never fuck with them again. I see him around. They ain't even welcome in the neighborhood after that. Some are in jail and like don't send me headed both get a response. This is what it is you. I mean that's you know what i mean. We take that shit really serious straight so your career at this point. What are you. What are you working on. What's what's what's the next step that you have coming out. What should people look out for etc refunding right now. I'm working on his ep that i'm rarely excited about you know saying because i just dropped same big that she's doing good doing good. I was just telling you. I was listening to doing my cardio this morning talking to you want so. I was like fuck. Donald appreciate man. I appreciate you listening to that dog like that means a lot to me. I'll i'll take that shit for granted. I wanted hear how you've lived with the boys. I had to hear that at the lease yeah he really. He saw it was a yeah he's he's he would you can tell like people you'd be around like you have somebody who's a genuine tonight and shit you know what i'm saying most of the time most of the time and he ended himself against an shit and and when i tapped into within this new record over this new record stupid savage separate producers went to or for that when he then i'm so excited about this new ep because i got stupid young on. I got little mix on it. You know i got phoenix on it. You know saying this is ah shades and shutters man. I mean you know we reach jisi right now and if we get out on it that's over on top but as it is right now. I'm very excited about it like i'm getting anxious to drop dish. It feels like l._a. Babas and just such a good place even compared pair to like if you would've looked at objectively two years ago or five years ago it's like l._a. Was not as popular as it is now but even like the people you just named it's like very like shoreline the fucking huge you and stupid young and all these people are just like this dope scene of like a lot of different types of l._a. Wrappers blowing up at the same time so busy perico. Oh you know what i'm saying like the like allie galloping gossip cool moon beer all day. Listen people got waves going right now. Real roaches doing shape like the movements going strong. I hear they bring in the music back to say to the west coast and so you know what i mean which is dope and people are very much like sticking to the not like compromising minds arrivers very the shit sounds very l._a. Even able are going in different directions production-wise an shit yeah exactly yeah. That's what i say to like. Yeah like g perico. She's like authentic not like you can listen to him and listen to some new dog and like dishes hard in her. Now is like don't matter right but <hes> yeah fuck fuck. I forgot what i was saying what you'd have me smoking no jumper that was okay yeah yeah yeah. I just got back from passive. We fucking over here over here smokable but man. I'm excited about this project and reaching out in l._a. Got the scene right now. Shea adult and i hope i'm doing my part to contribute to as as <hes> do you know and just hope for i mean but this new ep come out saying takes out. Now i mean we got the big as west festival fest jumping off alimony shape in pomona. That's big accomplishment for me. You know what i'm saying. You know me me so i'm just want to give the fans more and more and more and shit. You know me seh blessing to be here bro. You know what i'm saying to you know i mean you know i'm fan of yours in my family everybody you know what i mean like the biggest honor when i hear people talk about like oh yeah we were. We were all sitting around watching. Oh my god i says imagine a bunch of people who are like you know. Just real asked regular cool. People not like internet nar is not like whatever and they're just like legitimately intimately just enjoying it together on my really touches my heart. Now you bleeding content. Geisha people wanna hear every once in a chain saying. I'll be right there girl she. You're doing your makeup saying like you know how it goes. Comments like collaborate never thought i was far. You're not a real man. Thank you though i appreciate you out here especially. Her mammogram should happen and i want you to hear the new phoenix record when we get done. You know what i'm saying paid it today. If i know you fuck with it though was doing me and nomex you know saying god. We're ready shot a video for this ep that i'm doing this hard rose. <hes> i got fucked tough. Weed gonna fuck around a whole ep. Getting shit sounds crazy. Sounds like you know what i mean. I appreciate your oh. Thank you so much for coming through. How many thank you for having me man young drummer boy. He got smoked this to don't go to bed because i know i'm going to be out like a light. Ask like a light young drummer boy. No jumper cool spot guessing worlds on youtube sound cloud. I tunes like comment. Subscribe no jumper dot com support appreciate ya till next time piece.
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Margot Livesey: The Boy in the Field
"Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan, Foundation. Two thousand. From KCRW and KCRW DOT. com I'm Michael Silver Blunt, and this is bookworm. Today, I'm happy to report that my guest is Margot Lipsey her newest book is the boy in the field it's published by Harper. And it's said correctly that it's a cross between a mystery thriller and the coming of age novel but you mentioned the particular kind of thrower of locked room mystery. Tell us what locked room mystery as. Well I'm someone who doesn't reach many thrillers but my understanding of through mystery is that There is no possible solution at yet solution exists and certainly in my novels I think of people's brains locked rooms locked rooms were trying to get into or trying to get alcohol job. Yes snow when I've read that in the book I thought, yes, the brain is the ultimate locked room. But what about the heart? The Heart? Yes. Perhaps even more the heart because the heart has its reasons that reasons does not comprehend. So yeah, they're all know syllogisms for the heart. It's a beautiful book because what happens essentially Is. The three children. Find the Boy Wyoming. For. Own intensive purposes asleep or dead in a field. They're afraid because they see that his legs are bloody. and. The youngest of them Dunkin, a boy who's been adopted is sent out to the road to flag down someone to Cohen Ambulance. As it. Turns out. The boring is not dead although his consciousness is on the wane. And he says at least according to these three children one of three things coward or Cowry or CAL slip. And the way this book works is that each of the three children has an interpretation not just of what the boy says but of how the boy got there of what life in the family is like. The father is perhaps having an affair. The youngest adopted child is looking for his lost I mother who was Turkish. Essentially. You say. That the book. Is like a compass and ultimately, there are thirty two points on the compass and the character can be proceeding toward any of those thirty two points now isn't a novel and this isn't a long novel. This is approximately two hundred and fifty. Some pages isn't it hard to make an potter novel that takes you in so many directions. It was hard to plot the novel absolutely and. Kept to mine something cats were meant field roach one of her lectures about how Every. Member of the family is is struggling to get free is struggling to step into their own life as it were I'm same time still wants to be part of this peculiar organism, the family. Three children you know cup so must like cubism. That's very different points of view about what was happening around the volume, the field. And in their own lives and in their family. Experiencing the family differently. Well, it's kind of amazing because each. Option. HAS A counter option? So the daughter Zoe is in love with a man that man is in love with a woman who was living in Paris, that woman living in Paris is married and feels that her husband comes first. So the constant shifting of point of view and possibility is dazzling you can't as a reader. Put Down what is going to be presented to you next. King for that very complimentary remark. Well, I do think it's one of my I'm Mike core beliefs if you will that. Everybody has a secret has a secret sorrow if you will and. AM. Real takes quite a long time before that emerges even even in the closest friend and of course. We're also refined new Soros. We find new secrets and we surrender other Zimmer's ongoing flux of life. I've only begun recently to read more go Lucy's novels and they are thrillingly literary. EVA moves the furniture is perhaps her most personal book it is about her mother, but it's about her mother Currying as a ghost as an emanation of the supernatural and of course, what does? A. Representative of the world of ghosts do well even moves the furniture Before we know it, we're at the House on Fortune Street, which is the book I'm reading right now and each of the characters has a godparent or good. Very godparent. One has keats. One has Lewis Carroll one has one of the Bronte sisters. It's quite amazing because in the next two novels games are played with the Jane Eyre kind of Victorian novel and I'm. I'm amazed most people say. that. These novels can't be written anymore. But as I read Margot Lipsey, I, want to give a resounding oh? Yes. They can and when they are written there as entertaining, interesting bewildering and exciting as they ever were now in this book, the boy in the field by guest. Margot. Gives the the climax of the novel takes place at something called the second chance salon where the members of the. Town get to attend the salon as good Ori Characters or actors and actresses, scientists, people they wished they had the opportunity to be. So it's sort of like if you could be any character in a novel that you wanted to be, who would you choose and that's a question that's a relative of the question. If you could invite any five literary people to a dinner party, who would they be? Now townie. How did you discover that? It's still possible to write the books the broth novel to be the art form of its time. Fish. I confess that. The. Genesis of the Ceylon of second chances. Came from to John Chief story good fi my brother. When you described. So a party which many people dress up as as they're younger salads, they dress up as brides and football players. Have, you and I would have fabulous idea. How could I take that idea and make it? Even deeper, even more the core of my characters as it were. and. The idea of as it were. animating the road not taken just for an evening that you could play that. seemed. Like a wonderful way of of trying to enact climax the novel. That everybody would be themselves, which will so somebody else. Not just somebody else the be the person they most want to be at that. Salon at that party we find I don't even know how to put it. One of the many potential commack sizes of the boy in the field is enacted there at the Salon Party and so we see that life. Has. It's. Thrilling. In Net Tabun possibilities, we don't have to live. Denying. The richness of the world just because it's a story, these stories, our dreams come true. And I think that the ending of a novel is so important. Our one of my favorite novels is by the Scottish writer Louis Classic. Given. Coldest sunset choir or quire and the ending of noble is just a certain thrilling and so moving that you herself levitating as you read it and I always amazed way which in ending. The ending of a trend of the story come transform everything because then you see whether the good guys all the bad guys are going to win. Now only. I was taken. By, my sponsors Lannan Foundation to the hundredth anniversary of booms day not of the novel ulysses but the hundredth anniversary of the day on which the book takes place and I had the thrill of seeing the country Ireland who had put James Joyce on their pound notes. They had a citywide breakfast in which the city was invited to eat for breakfast for free. What boom had served molly on that morning. And it was an extraordinary day because the home city. New. If, there was a POB that was in that novel. Believe me the pub knew all about it. The city itself was honored to be a part of the novel. Most of the time when people are talking about books in which characters pretend to be characters and other books, they're talking about medicine what I found in your book, the boy in the field as a new lessees. Yes. There is a constant swarm of literary reference, but it's not the center of the book. The center of the book is to make you interested in the characters and what happens to them, and I wondered because I know you teach in many writing programs you teach at the Great Writing Program in Iowa you teach all over the place. When I visited. Iowa Many of the students were very wary of Meta or experimental fiction. They didn't believe in it. They didn't like it. They feared it. How do you convince your students that this can be a friendly an exciting thrilling way of writing. Tried very hard to make to convince them. I are remind them before the late Great William Shepherd said, will you ever said? He believed himself to be an experimental writer, but all the experiments were hidden. And I try to make the longest. The realism is is just one road even realism is not just one road realism comes in many many varieties. I am very grateful for that. I'm speaking tomorrow Lipsey about her novel the Boy in the field and I would say. That in the peculiar way, the field is the field of literature and the boy wakes up to the possibilities of his life he is. Sometimes. In an affair with his older brother's girlfriend the young. People well, one of them is young at least Duncan. Who Find Him in the field and revive him. Are Giving out. The discovery of who he is they meet the police detective they're learning. How do you was symbol clue? What is the Klu Klu as a thread? They're following the threads to the center of this novel. And sometimes, we fear that it will be a locked room mystery that each of these characters is in his or her own locked room, and the mystery will never be revealed the thrilling thing about this book. The boy in the field is that not only I would say are all the mysteries revealed more than that happens more than the mystery is that you expect to be revealed are revealed. The mystery of marriage itself of families of human hearts. This is not just a who done it. This is who done it, and how do you live with it? It's interesting. You mention. That I, do shouldn't have a real detective. Mass the oldest of the three siblings. Takes on the role of of a detective in a way in trying to find out who has attacked the boy in the field. But the real detective was someone who when I was first fighting novel I will pay much attention to and. Gradually haven increasingly sympathetic figure I. I think helps to guide mass you and the novelist who Towards its conclusion. He is a good man walking into the Valley of shadow. Yes he is. He is and not only is he but he knows he is he his name is Hugh. Am I right? Right. Yes. And he is. Helping. The three children. To ask the meaningful questions, not a bound this boy in the field. And who attacked him and left him there. But how is each of them going to be able? To grow up and live a responsible life, he tells one of them. The oldest O don't be afraid if you go to college, you can still become a police detective we believe in higher, education. I was very amused because he reveals that his own major had been an apology but what we're what we're seeing. Is. The knife and story. Go Hand in hand. And it's a very exciting thing at this hour of the novel. To See. That here in this novel that takes place more or less in the village they. At one point run into a herd of cows and a boyfriend. American. Boyfriend says you aren living in a RUSTIC PHILLIPS? Aren't you? Yes. Herd of cows will do it but life does it to there's nothing that exists in life that can't still be found justice. The boy in the field is found and that's what I found. So exciting about this book, the boy in the field by. Margo. Lives E. I'm Michael Silver Blah. You're listening to bookworm I'm talking as I said with Margot Guzzi about her really thrilling new novel. The boy in the field will continue after this short break. I'm Michael Silver Blah. This is bookworm and I'm talking with Marvel Goosey about her new novel the boy in the field, a good mixture of a psychological thriller and a coming of age town. They'll. Tell me more golf who is this family? I think. I think every family is its own tribe in its away its own species. The Lang's Howell a bit see Lang or Perhaps, an odd couple in Palo listen artisanal blacksmith and bitsy is a lawyer solicitor on they don't make seem like a natural couple, but they're in many ways very well suited and. After having. Two children they decide to adopt a third of Boy Duncan. The becomes artist in the family in the sense following his blacksmith those in. Father's footsteps. and. They are struggling Mitch things are not perfect. Everybody has some some frustration, some mystery, some difficulty that they're they're trying to come to terms with. And I think when the three siblings find the boy in the field. Sort of. SIPS. All of the more from a new tracks they all set out in pursuit of some quest. Something that they almost had known. They wanted before that September off to noon when they found the boy. Yes and it redirects each of them. And it redirects their relations to one another. They interestingly gain a new respect for one another their father as you say is an artisanal metalworker. That's say when he's asked to do a gate, he does it in a style that William Morris invented involving a lot of leaves on. It's a beautiful fence that he'll be making and what's fascinating to me. Is that this novel persists in an interest in discovering beauty in all its forms whether that is the form of a baby boo car with its antenna askew. Or her. Paintings that the young Boy Dunkin Don's tell me why you name Duncan. Loan Him can can I? As a as a good Scottish name A. Setup outside Oxford in England and Duncan, have Scottish. Name. Somehow. Owned I. Say why a soon as I named him I became convinced that was the right name his. It's interesting. 'cause I started thinking about Dunkin and Macbeth? Somehow. And about you know finding. The body of the king. and. The question of guilt but I and I went on. And here comes the question Morgan to think that you have. An interest in literary precedent. So even if this, Duncan is not Shakespeare's Dunkin. You have an interest in building a book. The situates itself as part of the furniture, the history of good erasure. I. Would say that that is something I'm very interested in. Shakespeare was one of the first writers I encountered as a child I had. As. Lamb's tales from Shakespeare that I loved and. I remember being in the merchant of Venice when I was nine years old I was Jessica was buried. Thrilled myself. His place are nearly always social and really. Orbis. Hierarchical and Agreeing trusted in my nobles in in creating a society of some kind, does it as it were? And CREATING CHARACTERS WHO Slacked off each other. So one character will teach you something about another character. Will be a foil if you will to another character. what I love and I see it. Gradually filling in from book to book is one. There is this literary. Motif going on the books are not difficult to read. In fact, the thrilling they're exciting. They frequently when there is a basis like Jane? Eyre it's book that readers tend to be familiar with and in this book. It seems as if we're exploring the possibility. Of? A. World in which solution, which is one of the mainstays of richer is always just over the hill where reading a book in which the solution to the mystery is beckoning to US constantly, and it makes the book very exciting to read. You probably can read it in a night or two, but then re reading it becomes another part of the excitement because so many clues are buried in the book i WanNa thank you Margaux for such a beautiful book. Thank you Michael to such an eloquent and elegant conversation. It's been a real pleasure for me. I've been talking with Margot Guzzi author of the boy in the field published by Harper. The boy in the field will be available beginning August, eleventh? You can visit kcrw dot com slash bookworm for podcast of today's show also available at Apple's spotify and really own weather podcasts services where even on I believe twice a week and Berlin you can listen on demand with KCRW smartphone APPs special. Thanks to show collaborators, Alan, Howard, and Sean Sullivan? Audio Engineer Cat your and Technical Director Mario. Diaz. I'm Michael Silver Blat. Join me again next time on bookworm. season. I am. Wheel. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan Foundation this program is produced in the studios of kcrw Santa Monica, you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts the most recent ones at KCRW DOT com slash. 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Boy Scouts of America v. Dale
"Well here argument now number ninety, nine, six, ninety, nine boy scouts of American monmouth council versus James Dale. Hey everyone. This is Leeann Nathan from fiasco and slow-burn. Episode of five to four Peter Rianne and Michael are talking about scouts of America be. Dale. This case from two thousand allowed the boy scouts organization to discriminate against Gay Scout. Masters. Even though the relevant state law at the time prohibited it this case is about whether an organization which includes fifty percent of the boys in this country from age seven to eleven has the constitutional right to ignore the civil rights laws of this country. This is five to four a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Welcome to five to four where we dissect and analyze the supreme court cases that have unraveled the fabric of American society like a nail. Cotonou sweater. I M. Peter Twitter the law boy. I'm here with Michael. Everybody and Rianne. Hello. Hi Michael Welcome back by the Michael's here. It's fresh off a break mentally acute, just sharp as hell. Imagine. The time of honing. That's right like a blade on a stone right just. Today's case is boy scouts vidale. As we all know, the boy scouts are a Youth Organization for boys that specializes in teaching wilderness and other practical skills They're distinct from the girl scouts who from what I can tell are affront for some sort of money laundering operation. It's like, Timmy. You're going to learn how to make a fire sally. You're going to need to sell as many of these fucking cookies you can. This is the case from the year two thousand about a boy scouts scoutmaster who was forced to sever his ties with the scouts because he is openly gay. That scoutmaster sued under his states, discrimination laws but the Supreme Court held in a five to four decision that the boy scouts had a constitutional right to sever their ties with gay members under the First Amendment's right to free association bill. We've talked a bit on this podcast about how conservatives use the First Amendment to justify discrimination and today we're GONNA explore the contours of that, and what I really want to get at is how no matter how much fancy legal jargon the court uses to dress it up the question of whether or not discrimination against gay people or anyone else is protected. Somehow the constitution is entirely a matter of how acceptable the justices on the court thing discrimination against gays or whoever else actually is. Yes. This decision is written by then Chief Justice William. Rehnquist joined by the other for Conservatives on the court at the time Sandra Day O'Connor. Scalia. Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy. We've We've noted several times that Rehnquist was a segregationist early in his career probably late in his career to so it shouldn't come as a surprise that by the year two thousand, he was maybe not the most open minded towards gays and you know I took a textual is this culturally a little bit theory two, thousand it's a turning point I think in the culture war over gay rights. Yeah. At this point, gay marriage is not widely considered to be like on the table. So most of the Gay Rights Culture War took place in back and forth letters to the editor about whether or not will and grace deserved a slot on prime. Time television. I don't know if you guys remember Arab but I do and it was intolerable. In the courts though anti gay groups were hoping to be found legally exempt from discrimination laws that protected gay people a strategy that has in recent years actually found a bit of a foothold again. So re tell us about scoutmaster James Dale Yeah. This story is about a guy named James D. all and honestly like. He sounds like a fricken square. You know that's weird. LEAM scoutmaster. I think the theme running through all this. This is a bunch of dorks in a door organization and and they're being really dramatic. So Dale is involved in the boy. Scouts. Organization for most of his life, he enters scouting at the age of eight and officially becomes a boy scout a few years later in nineteen, eighty one and in the majority opinion here, Dale is described as being an exceptional scout throughout his childhood and adolescence, and at the age of eighteen, he becomes an Eagle Scout. My understanding is that is meaningful to. The dorky organization. Yes. That's right. We Go James? Think, better than being an eagle scout is having a friend. Is the point of this organization rights for being a boy wearing your uniform in hanging out with your cool boy friends throwing on some. Polling Bill. After he becomes an eagle scout about a year. Later, he applies for adult membership to the Boy Scouts Organization and is approved for the position of Assistant Scout Master of seventy three about this same time Dale starts his freshman year at Rutgers University and. The CO president of the Lesbian. Gay Alliance on campus just. A group for students and this would probably like be totally cool and there would be no issues. No Supreme Court case except for the SNITCH asked local media. In nineteen. Ninety Dale attended a seminar about the mental health needs of gay lesbian teenagers and a local newspaper covering that event interviewed him. and. He was just like discussing kids needing queer role models, etc. The paper ran that interview and included a photo of James Dale and identified him as a leader in the on campus gay and Lesbian Rights. So a month later around late July one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety Dale gets a letter from local boy scout officials informing him that he has been expelled from his position as assistant scoutmaster and their revoking his membership to boy scouts of America. So Dale writes back to ask what reason there is for his expulsion from the organisation, and they respond that boy scouts quote specifically forbid membership to homosexuals. So, at the Time Lake Peter Said New Jersey, which is where this is taking place New Jersey how to State Law that prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in places of public accommodation. So James Dale filed a complaint under that state law saying he had been illegally expelled from a public accommodation based on his sexual orientation. They explicitly said this in the letter this is a violation of new. Jersey law. So James Deals complaint goes up to the new. Jersey, Supreme Court. which agreed with him said that the boy scouts was an organization of public accommodation rather than just a private entity and as such, they couldn't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation and in response to the argument that this violated the Boy Scouts Freedom of association the New Jersey Supreme. Court said that while the boy scouts do express beliefs and moral values as an organization, the boy scouts do not have shared goal of association in order to promote the view that homosexuality is immoral. Just a little note here about the boy scouts as an organization and their history you know they're not like an explicitly religious organization religion is it really in their mission statement back in one thousand, nine, ten when the boy scouts was founded their mission statement was quote to teach patriotism courage self reliance and kindred values. That's it like I said just a dude's rock kinda or relation teddy. Roosevelt has something to do with this because it feels very teddy Roosevelt and he was like really excited when the boy scouts organization was founded. Do Kinda guy and so yeah, it's in that vein today their mission statement is a little bit different. It is to quote prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling a number values of the scout oath and and law they do sort of purport to have a general like what's called a duty to God principal and some sort of bylaw that requires that members agree with a declaration of religious principle. But again, there's nothing explicitly as an organization that says like you got to adhere to specifically Christian values. Right and like they were originally like explicitly ecumenical the fuck does that mean Michael Acumen Sorry I'm the dumb girl Peter Crossing. Across the nomination they don't differentiate between like religious faith. Thank you. We can put up on context clues, but like sometimes the girl just wants to interrupt. So they got caught up in like the religious right shit in the early seventies seemingly in response to like the birth of the gay rights movement which started with the stonewall riots in sixty nine. Yeah and this was around the time they cancelled the availability of religious medals for a UNITARIAN universalist. So I think the story is really not that there are religious organizations that religion was driving some anti-gay stance so much as the opposite, they're anti-gay attitude drove them into the hands of the religious right for you. Yes, and it's just of now batting. And then now allow girls to participate in the scouts program, which officially is not the boy scouts anymore it's scouts they also allow Trans Scouts but. Now. They have a major sex abuse scandal which boy search. which boy scouts of America national has said has bankrupted their organization and so you know so much for keeping the gays out. Doesn't look like that. Did you much good on the moral high ground? The implication of. Keeping the gays out there. Obviously. That's how many. If you can't run an organization where a single adult takes twenty-five shoulder and into the woods a week at a time without pedophile getting involved. Then we'll. Look I I was looking into the scouts a little bit as part of my research here, and if you don't mind, I'd like to take the next three to four hours to talk about merit badges. So I most people know that merit badges are awards that boy scouts get for completing certain tasks or areas of study and I looked over all of the and I have to say it is completely bizarre. Some of them are very basic stuff flickers one for archery and one for fishing. Okay. Yeah. There's one bugling which we were discussing this earlier this week it's like we're trump had buttons. Uh Dumb. Horn. Yeah. But then also there's one for nuclear science. Immune. Fucking, PhD what's going on, here. And I was also very unsettled to see a crime prevention. Yeah Lot of red flags. Absolutely. Nothing good can come from teaching. These little fucking dorks about crime prevention. George Zimmerman? Merit Badge. That's bad also like I was looking at what you need to do to get the badge and one of the tasks is. The signs of child abuse and I'm sort of wondering whether this is like the organization outsourcing their child abuse problems to the scouts themselves. Only kids let us know if you see any indications of sexual trauma and the kids are like why and they're like, oh, it's it's merit badge. All upstanding citizens do another disturbing one is there's merit badge called Indian Lure Oh God maybe I'm. A bit odd to use the word Lore to describe people that still live in this country like as if they're like mythological creature to say, right? Right well, we need to switch up the genres just history as the Indians and dragons. I'll tell you one thing. The Indian Lore Merit Badge doesn't require and that's talking to a native American. The requirements for you can look them all up. To, be fair one of like ten or so optional things you can do to get the badge. is quote attend a contemporary American Indian gathering. It. Says Quote discussed with your counselor what you learned and observed include in your discussion any singing dancing drumming and the various men's and women's dance styles you saw no no no. I know that native Americans are regular people to. Instead of like a native American friend and ask them about their culture their like attend power how Go to Sundance. Exactly go around like the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on a door they're gonNA be dancing inside take some notes piece by teepee. This is the most offensive. That America like I will never let my kid growing fucking boy scouts after going through these merit badges I'm going to teach my kid about nuclear science myself. Did you guys do scouts when you were little. No No. This is weird to me because I thought they were all gay. Scouts when you're little and then you join the gay and Lesbian Alliance when you go to call. Progression, seem totally natural yeah. All right. So our producer co is without podcast completely homeless. In the spirit of supporting her let's go to an ad. This episode of five to four is brought to you by simplisafe. Here's the thing about home security companies, most of them trap you with high prices, tricky contracts and lousy customer support. So while there are a lot of out there, there's only one no brainer not simply safe. 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So Dale is simply claiming that he was discriminated against for being gay, which is a violation of New Jersey discrimination laws the boy, scouts. This violates their freedom of association. The First Amendment protects your freedom of speech and the court has held in the past that part of that is your freedom to associate with who you want because some speech is only effective if it's done in conjunction with others. So this couch are saying, look our decision not associate with gaze is an expression of our ideals and that's protected by the First Amendment. And of course, we wouldn't be here if the court did not side with the scouts stating that forcing them to associate with Dale would significantly impact their ability to advocate their viewpoints. So you know. The first thing that jumps out to me about this is just how tenuous the connection between the right to association and any actual speech is right. Like I mentioned there's no actual like literal right to association in the first. Amendment courts have just held. The right to associate must be protected in order to adequately protect speech. And when you're talking about like the rights of people who are organizing for a boycott or protest that makes sense right or a political party. Yeah. But this is an organization saying they don't like gays and don't want to associate with them. That's not the thing right? Right exactly. Put the Freedom of association into context the Supreme Court I recognize their right to free association in Nineteen Fifty. Eight. The state of Alabama trying to prevent N. W. C. p. from doing business in the state and had subpoenaed the NWC peas, membership lists and back then in that case, the Supreme Court said, no, the N. W. C. P. members have the right to associate with one another and to do so privately. So the court was stepping in and saying look Alabama is literally trying to shut the NWC's viewpoint out of their state that's a textbook. Violation of the first, amendment right and you can trust that with this or the boy scouts as an organization aren't being threatened at all nor is their ability to speak either publicly or privately. This has no connection to speech or expression is just a pure manifestation of the boy scouts decided to discriminate against gays exactly. Yeah and I think that brings us to the next point, which is that the boy scouts are claiming that they're anti gay stance is like important to their message the boy scouts isn't about gay stuff. Okay. This is about hyper masculinity. This is about heading into the woods with a dozen other dudes wearing matching uniforms with short shorts and Little Park Ranger hats and Tied neckerchiefs and doing activities like basket weaving, and if you become good at an activity, you get a little award and you put it on your sash. That's right. Okay. Yeah. Case. against. Gays time. We don't want any sissies. The boy scouts arguing that homosexuality goes against some of their core tenets specifically, they require scouts to be quote. And Quote Clean Justice, Stevens points out in his very competent descent here. The fuck does that have to do with anything like? Like, we know these little straight laced freaks think that being gay is gross. But like who who cares, who gives a shit? Why is the court obligated to humor that at all exactly that's sort of the fundamental rub here like the court is not actually obligated to place any weight at all on an organization's desire to discriminate against gays justice blackmun in his excellent dissent in Bowers v Hardwick Nineteen eighty-six a case about the constitutionality of sodomy laws wrote that the mere knowledge that other individuals do not adhere to one value system cannot be legally. Interest I, think that puts it. Perfectly. If the boy scouts were saying, they didn't want to associate with black people. The court would have tossed their case out in a second. The reason they didn't here is that the conservatives are much much more comfortable with anti-gay discrimination than they are with racial discrimination. And Rehnquist does this thing that conservatives always do in these cases? He's like we're not ruling on whether or not homosexuality is is wrong but like yes, you are yes you are because New Jersey passed a law saying you can't discriminate against gays and the right is basically saying well, unless your organization thinks gays are really gross then you can. Take. And Stevens points out in the descent that the boy scouts claimed that this is a violation of their central tenants and that that doesn't really seem to make sense the scouts themselves instruct Scout Masters not to talk about sexual matters with scouts. Sex stuff is not supposed to be part of this organization. So how can it be that their organizational position on certain sexual matters is so important to them that it's protected by the Constitution the ACLU's brief in this case also points out that the boy scouts market themselves to all boys. But here they're clearly contradicting that position I think sorta like the real bottom line. Is that scouts are such a generic organization that their mission can't be summed up as anything other than like just a place for boys to learn some life skills right they go camping in some practical stuff right put that on your college resume and that's that the claim that somewhere in between like canoeing and starting fires, you're supposed to infer that you can only girls. I think that seems. A little tenuous. Then again, they're not even like a Christian organization. They can't claim that this is about freedom of religion, which is why this is a team of association, right? Yeah, yeah and also the boy scouts ended up. Letting gays in in twenty twelve. So like how central to their mission could it have really been twelve years after this case they changed their position entirely hey, this is clearly just about bigots being big and. I do want to dig a little deeper on this idea of their mission because I think from like a gender theory perspective this all kind of makes sense come. Michael. Hit US with the gender. Voice Scouts are not just about boys playing in the woods. Right it's about this like construction of masculinity and about always growing up right. men getting all your marriage badges and ascending in the ranks, and maybe even becoming an eagle scout is a literal right of passage through adolescence into adulthood, and so like all the things they do all, you know things included in the merit badge catalog can be considered acceptable aspects of manhood whereas things that are excluded could be walk. Feminine. Masculinity is defined in opposition to no girls allowed, right Yeah? Definitely. No gays that sort of thing and re mentioned there founded in one, thousand, nine ten, which was like the tail end of a period of like big social upheaval after the civil war and southern reconstruction size and structures of families was changing. There were no more slave servants The country was urbanizing. Men were spending more time at work outside the home and their wives were taking on a larger role in raising in shaping their sons and so the boy scouts are yeah. Social response to that creating a space for boys to be boys and learn to be men like literally one of their original documents which I duNNo. In the nineteen ten how you like find workers maybe like handout pamphlets on the corner of looking for a job or whatever. But that is documents saying that in Scout Masters they were looking for all caps real live men, red blooded, and right hearted men. Big Men and to be clear it says no MS ENC need apply so like they had a very clear they had to say Nancy because. Big Men is Is Not gay at all. No. We need people were going to babysit these twelve children. The entire weekend. All right. So you better, be able to benefit Prasad So. Yeah. Excluding gay men from the organization. It's like a classic like Hetero normative institutional approach right centralizing gender reinforcing gender hierarchies and like as an ethos is like it isn't really far removed from like conversion therapy right about jazzing people into their idea of men and so yet maybe you could get little sissy boy who is eight and you can turn them into a real man but we don't need any of those like Scout Masters. We don't eat any of them teach ask yes. So yet that doesn't mean they should win right Their position is something like boy scouts. Men In these concede aren't real men. The. Question of whether not the first. amendment. Protects them and overrides New Jersey law protecting queer people like I think that's not a hard question it has to be no the first avenue right hey. I also WANNA add was mentioned earlier that the scouts now except girls and they've become flexible on a bunch of these things but it was great watching them scramble for like a decade there when it was like incredibly untenable like when some girls like, why can't I go camping with you and they're like because this is for boys and that was that was the end of it. There is no actual reason for that sort of status quo in this day and age and watching the discourse on it and watching conservatives get mad. If you ever just feel like getting a conservative anger, just bring up the fact that the scouts now allow girls and just wash their heads just just grow incredibly large until it explode like a tomato. So you know it's important to note circling back to the law here that the reasoning used by the court could essentially just exempt any organization from having to hire or otherwise work with gable. If an organization that is not religious has nothing in its mission statement about homosexuality and in fact, instructs its workers and not to talk about sexuality at all can claim that they need to be exempt from anti discrimination laws than anyone can. Yeah. This is twenty years ago and it's been sort of a minor miracle that the reasoning employed by the court here hasn't been used to forage massive loopholes in these laws on the other hand Anthony Kennedy. This case aside was very sympathetic to gay rights and. His replacement by Cavanaugh has left the door open for Asians, interested in leveraging the first amendment to facilitate their desire to discriminate against lgbt people moving forward. Yes. This case is one of many where the analysis done by the court is what's called a balancing test. The court has just balancing the interests on both sides right there weighing them. So they're saying, okay, the state of new. Jersey has an interest in wanting to limit discrimination and the boy scouts have an interest in wanting to associate with whoever? They like, and so which one's more important. Maybe the single central theme of our podcast is that interpretation of the law is generally driven by the preferences of judges rather than some sort of coherence or objective legal framework that is especially true in these balancing test cases, all the court is doing no matter how much they dress it up is saying, okay which of these things is more important. It doesn't get more nakedly ideological than that. So you might be thinking, why can the boy scouts do this to? Gaze but not black people for example, and yes, some law student might be raising his hand right now. Technically, they would be applying a different analytical framework if this was race discrimination but the only reason they apply a different framework is because the court treats race discrimination as if it's more serious as if it's worse site, it's Peoria policy preference and I think the comparison to racial discrimination is important in. It's a good one preparing for this I was reading an article by a friend of the pod. Sandbag and sauce shut out from two, thousand, fourteen and sort of situates. This case in the long struggle since the civil war over the breadth of the civil rights project and the ability of the government to like intrude on so-called private decisions with like right wing Libertarians trying to carve out as big a space for private discrimination and I can't back in the fifties. For example, someone who owned diner would argue that it was his private decision about his own business in his own property whether to allow black. and one of the big gains of the civil rights movement was the say things like restaurants, clothing stores, railroads, and airlines are actually public accommodations and it doesn't matter of your private business owner if your business open to the public, then antidiscrimination whilst can reach you and so like this articles were reading in general if you're into reading law review articles, which I imagine not a lot of you are also. Only one on the podcast yet that's my real. The article notes that like Literally Freedom of association was a rallying cry for opponents of desegregation in schools and in public accommodations, and so there's like this intellectual through line from Rehnquist himself on the civil rights era opposing desegregation to this opinion that he will right like in nineteen fifty two infamously wrote a memo as a Supreme Court clerk in favor of segregation I read it it's. Shit, but he argues specifically that the court is ill-suited to police the relationship between individuals in the state. So it's like a very expansive sphere of this private discrimination that the government cannot touch in his mind. It's hard to read this case not see that thinking embedded. Yeah. Absolutely, and if all this sounds familiar, then it's because Peter Peterman and Leon discussed this last week doesn't count. De. Milliken be Bradley. I wouldn't know I don't listen to episode of them off. Yeah and to your point Michael Lake this is in a broader conservative trend around conceptions of rights and freedoms to be pulling back on these more expansive views or weaponising an expansive framework and expansive view against people. In more recent supreme, court cases like Hobby lobby, you know corporations having beliefs that have to be protected just this past term, the our lady of Guadalupe case switch. said that anti-discrimination laws don't apply with hiring at religious schools and you know in general the trend in fourteenth amendment, equal? protection. Jurisprudence. We talked last week already about how the supreme? Court just kind of put a stop on desegregation efforts and we've talked before on the podcast about how affirmative action jurisprudence under the fourteenth amendment is basically used now to protect white people read and we've talked a lot about how through the fifties and sixties the court led by. Chief. Justice, Earl Warren made major strides for racial and socio economic justice and how the conservative courts that followed steadily rolled those gains back. This case is part of a separate but related phenomenon where not only to. Conservative courts role those gains back but they take the reasoning of those cases and turn them against marginalized groups. As we mentioned the Free Association relied on in this case originated in N. Double ACP via Alabama where it was used to protect the NWC p. against aggressive racist encroachment by government officials in the South Yeah same case actually forms a large part of the basis for what is now expansive Corporate Speech Rights Alabama argued that the First Amendment didn't protect the end of Lacey Pe-. Because the N. W. Pe- is not an individual person. And the court disagreed and it has been cited to explain why like fucking at and T. is now the sponsor of the House Judiciary Committee. It's not just that conservatives have rolled back rights establishing the Warren Court era. In some cases, they have taken those rights twisted them around and actively used them to protect the interests of the reactionary movement. Exactly and this it's such a lake depressing conception of America and the law to mean, you know this opinion, the boy scouts Dale it's not like explicitly like originalist opinion or anything like that like Peter said, they're just doing a. Balancing test here and coming out on the side that they like but just the conservative like thought process around the law and like what the law is supposed to do like if you look at the Fourteenth Amendment, if you look at the First Amendment, these things are clearly designed to protect people in a way that I don't know. It's exactly what you said Peter Like it's just so clearly that they don't want the bill of rights. To, mean, anything more than protecting freedoms for their own right for their small group that are has established like hegemony. It's like the conception of liberty where like the old adage I think Lincoln talked about this in one of his addresses. When the shepherd saves the sheep from the wolf, the sheep. Thank him for protecting them. But like the wolf curses him as like random right right and it's like it's the wolf's conception of Liberty Right? Where he's being like oppressed because he can't go and can't keep black people out of his diner. He can't keep gay people out of his boys. Michael never begun. Again we need. Think. It's just especially visceral in this case because you have the boy scouts, which are you know they're all fucking wearing these uniforms that are like a perfect blend of the village people in the S S. and. They're sitting there telling you at their institutional position is that they should not have to associate with gay people citing like moral straightness and cleanliness while at the same time suppressing via what I assume was various high powered PR firms. What is undoubtedly one of the largest sexual abuse scandals in American history? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right I sort of wonder whether or not the scouts at the time when they're fighting this case through the nineties. Were just sort of backwards enough to think that like gays were part of the problem with the sexual abuse scandal right and sort of not recognizing it for what it was in using these antiquated ideas about gay men thinking that we have to keep gays out because we have this huge sexual abuse from not realizing that fucking job where you are isolated with children in the county I'm woods is just like a pedophile fucking gold mine. Right. Right. It's just scapegoating a minority group that is acceptable for a large part of the population to be discriminated against you know and I want to highlight to the role of the Supreme Court in all of this and in this culture war stuff, we had a couple of times that the boy scouts organization now accepts girls they now accept gay members. They now accept Trans members and that happened because the boy scouts organization changed right and it was pretty quickly within thirty years. Or whatever. But this Supreme Court case this precedent is now law and so whether the boy scouts organization sort of changed for the better just because you know social movements and people progress together you, we still have this huge case on the books and it just shows that the supreme court is really slow to respond to social progress is very rarely going to be driving social progress. If at all, it's just not an institution that's equipped to do that, and often actually holds us back. That's right. All right. Next week is Nielsen v PRE AP case. About ice. An organization that we are opposed to. Police episode Y'all follow us at five four pod on twitter. Tell your friends and family. And it seems like we have a little bit of time. So I'm just GonNa read off some merit badges as we exit. American business. Does that mean I? Think it's quite. Chemistry. Chess. Citizenship in the nation like that coin collecting. Collections separate. Dentistry. Edge creepy twelve year old who's really into teeth. I don't want you getting a badge for that. Entrepreneurship, sounds like American. genealogy probably used to be phonology. Tonight. Landscape architecture. Upper. Not yet. Ask people about the role of law enforcement officers in our society. So the law merit badge is fucking cop shit arranged of visit with a lawyer who works for a Business Bank title company or Government Agency find out his or her duties and responsibilities report what you have learned. 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The Boy Scouts File for Bankruptcy
"Usps shipping rates are increasing. So now is the time to say with Sam pro online from Pitney Bowes starting at just four ninety nine a month get a free thirty day trial and a free ten pounds scale when you visit. Pba DOT COM SLASH VW daily From wondering I'm David Brown and this business wars daily on this Tuesday February twenty fifth. We're reporting on yet another bankruptcy this morning folks but this is a bankruptcy of a very different kind. We're talking about the boy scouts of America as you may have heard the BSA filed for Chapter Eleven Bankruptcy Protection on February eighteenth. The one hundred ten year old civic organization is in financial trouble because of well the cost of its legal problems will get to that in just a minute but first if you're wrinkling your brow over whether the scouts can file for bankruptcy in the first place let's just clear that up yes the BSA is non profit the eighteenth largest in the country according to NPR. Y- it's not just businesses and individuals that can file for bankruptcy nonprofits CANTU now to the legal trouble the BSA is facing thousands of allegations of child sexual abuse that took place over the last several decades. Why now well? In recent years a number of states have begun allowing victims to file lawsuits over abuse. That's alleged to have taken place decades go. In many cases those states struck down previous statutes of limitations that opened a floodgate of lawsuits against the BSA and other organizations including schools and churches at this point the BSA's fighting about two hundred seventy five state and federal claims. Alleging that victims when they were children were molested by Scout Masters and other BSA volunteers and employees. The organization expects to fourteen hundred more suits to be filed. That's according to USA. Today reporter Nathan Bomani since many individuals conjoined together in a single lawsuit the number of victims could wind up being a lot more possibly as many as five thousand people the New York Times estimates it could wind up costing the one billion dollars or more to compensate all the victims. It's already spent one hundred and fifty million dollars in settlements in legal fees since two thousand seventeen which brings us to the reason for the filing the BSA says restructuring will allow it to create a fund that will compensate victims while also making sure that organization itself lives on. It's already been forced to mortgage valuable property including a one hundred forty thousand acre boy scout camp in New Mexico and its national headquarters building in Texas. It could be forced to sell off his assets to pay victims USA. Today's Bumi reports. But how did the organization acquire all those assets? Scouting's finances are complicated? So let's take a quick look at them the BSA's the National Organization at the heart of scouting. It's essentially an administrative body. Not where your kids go itself? That happens more than two hundred sixty local councils the BSA the entity that filed chapter eleven had annual revenues in two thousand nineteen of almost four hundred million dollars in assets of more than one billion dollars according to USA. Today but the council's themselves could be significantly richer. The Wall Street Journal estimates that the councils have assets of more than three billion dollars or more than seventy percent of scouting's assets overall. If you put them all together of course now here's where it gets both financially and legally tricky in its chapter eleven filing the BSA argues that the council's are a bit like franchises. They're separate and distinct legal entities according to the BSA they're not included in the bankruptcy filing at the same time however the filing states that the national organization would allow those local councils to be shielded from abuse claims according to The New York Times Victims. Attorneys are already crying foul. They say victims are likely to receive far less compensation as a result of the bankruptcy filing than they would have otherwise and that to properly compensate victims. The court should allow assets from the councils to be tapped as just one example of how wealthy and Individual Council can be the Sam Houston Area Council is building a sixty five million dollar camp slated to open on two thousand two hundred acres of Texas Woods later this year. That's according to the New York Times if the courts agreed to the BSA's chapter eleven filing that camp and others like it and the country would be shielded from settlements critics. Also say that chapter eleven laws will make it easier for the BSA too high damaging information they also say that under chapter eleven victims. Lose the right to a jury trial. The BSA was once among the most trusted institutions in the country at its peak in the nineteen seventies about four million boys participated in scouting annually. Now it's down to less than two million. It took a big hit on January. First from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints cut ties with the BSA and pull four hundred thousand kids from the program for more than century church had been one of BSA's biggest partners now. Those kids will participate in a program run by the Church itself according to USA. Today still report suggests that on the local level scouting is continuing without a hitch for instance Forty four thousand strong Indiana Boy Scout Council told local media. That donations are up. They said they've had few inquiries about the bankruptcy filing but questions are growing about the precarious nature of Scouting's future. The organization claims that ninety percent of the lawsuits concern incidents. That happened decades ago though. Some new suits alleged molestation as recently as twenty eighteen along with questions about the. Bsa's future our criticisms of how the organization appears to be shielding itself from liability for sexually predatory acts using bankruptcy laws as other organizations like the Catholic Church in USA. Gymnastics have taken together. This is largely uncharted territory for scouting lawsuits and legal settlement. Stretch on for years. Be Prepared for much to come from wondering this business worse daily. Listen if you find. Our show informative sheriff's with a friend or a colleague. Would you do that right for most podcast? Apps and for that we thank you. I'm David Brown. We'll be back you tomorrow. 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Spilling the tea with Bryan Boy
"Will the public give you a second. Chance will brands give you a second chance. Poll wrestler community. Give you a second chance. We're not sure you know. We live in a crazy time. I am where everybody got. Scalded out canceled. Hi I'M CAMMI Sharia and I'm Monica. And you're listening to fashion no filter shelter where we sit down with some of the creative strategic thinkers and emerging town around us to interpret the INS and outs of the fashion industry today. Hello and welcome back to fashion. No filter hello to very high. I mean we've got a very fun guest for you today guys. We certainly do. They didn't exist a few two years ago. But influences bloggers and youtubers have truly become forces to be reckoned with like it or not. They are key players in the industry with print media advertising sizing and communication channels have drastically shifted. They really are part of the fashion ecosystem now. Their personal points of view and friendly tone captured the heart of their audience agents in a more profound way than magazines news outlets evidence. That said some might argue that as marketing yourself as a brand has become increasingly popular influences suances who were once really truthful. Storytellers have slowly but surely turned into sort of marketing machines and people that can basically be bought. I suppose one could even argue acute that they've become puppets for the browns they meant to be impartial towards Our guest today could never be accused of being afraid to voice opinions. And that's that's even when he knows it might put him on the line with some of the brands that he's worked with Bron Yumbo Aka. Brian boy was a former web developer. Who started blogging at twenty four and has never stopped? We sat down with him today to spill the tea as they like to say and talk about some of the things that have been going on truly behind the scenes in our industry guys if you were wondering when you were going to get a Gossett episode of fashion no filter now is the time so fetch the not as Kenny and a lot of other millennial people would say so guys. Just a you can get an idea of. Brian's tweets replying to a large department star and New New York that's launching secondhand luxury. He wrote this is straight up exploitation of the second hand market by traditional bricks and mortar retailers. I feel like many will cede feed these channels with unsold old outlets doc under the premise that they're quote secondhand he also applies to CNN's tweet the transgender flag women wearing tuxedos bottle feeding parents and a gender neutral. Santa are all all coming to your phone and then Brian replies are they kidding me with gender-neutral Santa Three question marks haven't we established that Santa Claus is an old old bearded man from the North Pole. Anyway just to set the justice at the tone Brian. We're coming thing for you. I hope you're ready for questions. We hope you guys are ready for Brian's dancer. We're here in Paris with Brian Boy in his hotel room. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having me Brian. How would you introduce yourself? Oh my name is Brian and live in Sweden and I work in fashion and social media and Helen. Even doing this fifteen years. Wow actually sixteen years two thousand and I started thousand four so that then with blogging blogging. Blogging my original platform and obviously as times changed and served to instagram. And does that mean you don't do a lot of writing anymore. I'm tr- planning to bring it back. I actually missed doing long form. You know in pieces but I'm trying to decide whether to do writing or video. Videos is something I've been playing with in the past year or to take talk. Not Take top targets for like thirteen year olds going to youtube. So you WanNa tell us a little bit about how you got into the digital space base. And what made you because you really were one of the fuss. The generation one bloggers. So we'll we'll give you. The idea. Suddenly inspired inspired. You just sort of stopped sharing your life. Why wasn't Tober of two thousand and four and have never seen snow in my life so I was looking at pictures of Red Square Russia in in Moscow on Wallpaper magazine and I thought okay you know maybe I should go there to see snow like Minimum House? I've never been any time. I've never been anywhere. We're still so enough. Tober plane ticket for three weeks. I thought I'd explore Russia Moscow and Saint Petersburg and of course being the damn bitch that I was is. I had no idea that there's no snow in October. I just thought Oh it's rush. It's called it's going to be fine. There was no snow but in the end I thought okay. I thought I'd create blog where I can express myself. It's kind of like make a travel diary. You and then when I got back from my holiday what am I gonNa talk about and then I just started talk about fashion. I love magazines loud models. I love looking at clothes. subbed out of always been interested in and then started from there. But you love talking remote fashion. But you're also not afraid to speak up about issues within the industry like I really noticed that about you admire that. Where does that come from? I just feel feel like I have so much Pinson so many different things whether it's fashion or not and they feel like if you have a platform why not use it. Why not use it to communicate with people? I mean the beginning when I started my blog. It wasn't just purely about fashion. Either you know I was talking about my salve and I love using my voice online as a tool to communicate to people whether you're talking about important or not important issues. I just love the idea of being able to talk to us. Many people as possible you were one of the chosen ones by style dot dot com that had a blog that was integrated into the the old style dot com. We're isn't that swell. Basically what happened was with style dot com and Conde Nast they had this platform formed integrated as there. There's like eight people. Derek Blasberg roomy different people suzie. Helen King playing. Yes now manifest. I believe but what's now manifest. Yeah cool yeah and it's really fascinating. Because when they presented to us they sold in a different way different idea but in the end it was kind of like the founder of that site side readily sold sold the whole blogging platform to content asks for a ridiculous amount of money. Well I ran away. Dirk Santa did not actually alley founder of manifest not the editor. I get it okay. Yeah and so the after that happened did you. That begin. Blogging on your on platforming. Yes basically what happened. Was I had my own platform. Used to be with type pad and then we move to now manifest and then after that they like the status of email shutting down. It's not working. And then we had to go on her own platform just just like that. We had two months notice. Wow yeah the industry is harsh one. It's okay because the time I think the brand I mean the platform and also conde NAST. I guess they had also with the industry. In general I think that was two thousand and ten or so they had no annoyed how to sell digital platforms brands. Rest now just so easy. It's kind of like the digital communication. It's part of a brand strategy not at that time brands were still hesitant and working with digital platforms so back then you will already starting. I suppose to attend shows and get invites to events and being dressed by brands. When did you notice that? The relationship between bloggers slash as we call them inferences. But I think it was bloggers back. Then and editors got a little bit complicated. I think it's always been iffy. It's still it's still a fee. It's always always been iffy better now. It's worse again really. I think it's just gotten better. No I've been sitting between the two for a while and I just don't really I don't know maybe the here's A.. B. I have a different relationship for example you know when it first came out going to show its and everything of course would hear like whispers and people you know. Oh talking about us behind their backs or the most of my friends are editors like Muslim migrants. Our Editors Way would always complain. Oh with this this influence or this this blogger that thought about you but you can tell them some resentment because obviously their position in the chain changed enj- but nowadays it's still the fame. You still hear the same editors complaining about influence or whether or not you know for example. It's weird I still the thing that it's weird that I'm sitting in a front row. The editor in Chief of magazine and I don't know in Germany or in Holland sitting third row. There's of course I can't really put everybody in the front row. It's just the way it works. And there's still resentment in a way still resentment I mean. Of course I mean some of my friends Soir Editors or work in publishing shing know that it's a two different completely two different platforms. Is that resentment borne out of the fact quite simply. I don't want to reduce it to this but quite simply the fact that you can potentially make more money as an individual in flint Sir than you can as an editor or is it more complicated. I think it's more complicated I mean. Of course I think influencers make more money than people who work in traditional publishing house because at the same time. They're really not allowed to take well. Most of them take consulting jobs but if you work for certain companies. They're not even allowed to get gifts like people in New York Times daily. You can't take gifts and you can have have a side Gig Rothman us. It's really free for all. I mean these people these traditional media people they work for an institution whereas for us who workers digital space we have our own brand in our own companies were self employed. Were self made so. We have more flexibility and taking on different projects for would there really limited to their salaries although and and yet there is something very noble in that and the fact that the fashion editor at The New York Times for example held to the same standard of journalism and never accepting gifts as the political editors is quite admirable. I think it's not just about the salary itself. It's also the fact that because all these new people came in and changed the game whereas you had these three good seats that will get you every season and you would be flown business close to New York and that was was guaranteed. And you'd be put up in an insanely Nice hotel and that was just part of the package. It was part of your career job. Basically now that is divided between a lot more people people. So even the editors who are not getting paid as much as what influences would be a not even getting the parks they had along side their jobs before so I think that's also making big even with the biggest brands. There's only so much to offer state. You can't just keep on knocking budget. Yes sure. A lot of editors are being flown all the time worth in my case from day one. I've always paid for my own travel unless of course I'm being flown on a cruise or a resort show. Usually the brand's cover my travel but going to fashion weeks. Men's women's always pay for my travel. I don't do sponsor deals with hotels. I'd rather pay for my own hotel pay pay for my own flight because again it's part of my work. I work with brands on a year on a year long basis. So in a sense it's my only one of my few investments vestments. I want to read something that we found on twitter. We love your twitter. Less the tweeted at PAM under school boy. Journalists are inherently influences censors stricto but most didn't know how to adapt delusional about what infamous was really found. It's not in your very serious newspaper. All your vogue. It's how oh you actually connect with the public. No more ivory towers. I agree with him. I completely agree with him again at the same time you know like for me. It's it's about my connection to my audience and that I find so special and if people listen to whatever I'm saying in a way I'm already influencing them short or you know I still read. I mean read newspapers. All the time would magazines not so much you know. Magazines used to influence me on what to buy where to go but in a way the times have changed totally and I totally take your point but to play. Devil's advocate and a journalist has an impartiality Hershey -ality that we technically cannot have any kind of influence under this. This would be the other side of that argument because the moment you're being paid by brands you you even subconsciously. have an affinity to them or the moment you've been given a bag. Well they've butter do up haven't used about Mexico question. Would it feel comfortable if someone gift to a bag like. Say your hair with. I don't know Chanel. Would you be comfortable not wearing something they've sent. You will saying that actually like you don't want it. Is that something that can you feel. This actually happened with me in Milan. Product for example. I'm Prada dress me their events and you know the the always give me freedom. You know tomorrow looks whatsoever. I you know before the show I borrowed look number one. You know on men's I got a black double double breasted jacket a tank top. Khaki shorts the look arrived in my hotel room I thought was like I can't wear it is. I can't imagine going through the effort of requesting a look going to this. Show way you're already. I borrowed a sample from big houses. Ah I went to my own outfit. You know when this up I mean something that I really like. I wanted to the show so in a way a I mean not not but I'm very very lucky to be able to have this freedom in saint time. You know I mean I have. I mean even though I have a close relationship whether it's being gifted or on working together I'm still in control of what I WanNa do what I do things because you know I believe in it. And that's what I wanted to to do but it would magazines for example. I mean we all know that most magazine editors are gifted. They're all we all know that in a way they're also impartial. I mean for many years ears have to support advertisers. Facts it without that Lucinda chamber said in the article that she did it for Viola for wasn't it was vista she says putting Alexa Chung in that horrible Michael cost-shift who's to show. We knew it was horrendous. But we did it anyway because they were advertisers which was like a bum. No one episode things like no one ever sat they they SOC dumb about that. This is the other the thing I feel like all all industries banging on about transparency like sustainability in like how to be more open but no one actually admits what goes on behind the scenes and how the power play. It's because yes influences. Have that problem but magazines but there's also no shame in wanting to make some money the advertise the magazines. Want to stay afloat and it's hard enough as it is so they need an let us. Michael Kors an example because my of course that was a lot of bags and that you can advertise They need them in the way that influence or also needs to have you know working relationships with certain brands that have a lot of money and it can hopefully go on for years and be abused but yeah but just the general notion that I just find the whole notion that over magazines. Were you know basically harp with a totem pole. You know like they're no different influencers. Basically I mean it's it's the same thing. Yeah the only difference I suppose. Point of view is more institutionalized. You know a big. It's not on a personal level whereas what influences there's still an element of view in it right and I think that's what people love about following someone like you who's GonNa talk about what's going on in the world a little bit and talk about like you're saying like your twitter check out. Brian's letter is that you are stripping away the line of editorial command. I've worked for magazines before the ultimately it goes all the way up to the editor in chief if it's an important topic because everyone is deciding together that this is how we feel about this issue whereas you're getting it just straight from the the horse's mouth and I think people find exciting. I hope so. I have nothing to lose. That mean again if I made a mistake I always apologized to say sorry you you know but I always stand for what I believe in. And there's no shame and you know from me having freedom to be able to say what I want and I wanNA keep that and how do you ever feel threatened by the new kids on the block the new generation. Because like we're talking about the frosty relationship between editors and an on influences but I feel like sometimes nowadays that can also be a bit of a frosty relationship between the first generation of bloggers and the new the newbies that have come in who had just like basically accused of being basically walking bid builds. And who haven't come in with a personal blog point of view. And you've just come in and done that. What what are your awful? It's on that I mean I'm not really threatened per se. I mean I've already seen this Alexa first generation second wave Third Way and now we have picked up stars. It's going to steal. All the jobs loves the sixty to steal a job. Someone a twenty five year olds. I mean I still believe in that. You know if you have an audience I mean my audience is obviously smaller than and some of these girls would like mega millions of followers. But you know these are my audience and they just have to cater to them. There's really no threat per se because again everybody. I work with different brands. So these rents believe in me whether I have two thousand or five hundred thousand or a million followers so so we all have our own relationships and there's no branded basically works for everybody. Now you also spoke out against gals. Yeah so for those who don't know gals die is I would call her like original. Yeah she was the French original blues the original French blogger. She's actually course and she came up as an illustrator and was dating Scott Sherman for many even before that she had this blog where she took photos she illustrate did fashion illustrations and took photos as of well dressed girls in the street. If I hadn't she wrote and blog I remember. There was a time when I was doing some summer internship as a fact checker and a Canadian magazine and every morning when the editors back was turned I was like on Galstov like clockwork every morning. Anyway so she had a lot of success then she and Scott Schuman who friend of the pods human. Were going out and she became. I mean they were like the couple. All of fashion bloggers right Yup Yup size Ford what that was ten years. What five ten years ago? Six seven yes so fast. No and she did a speech conference conference recently and she was not very happy about the state of the industry. Why don't you tell us what I mean? It's not about me calling her out. She said how would you you explain what she said. I mean I read article what she said on. CNN CNN dot com covered. The conference basically provided a transcript. descript what she said. Obviously I wasn't there the conference so I wasn't able to watch and look at her reactions physical reactions the gas but looking at the tax judging from the tax what she said she's saying she seems very bitter about the industry at large you know and they understand stand that we all have our own personal experiences and I am not getting what or even take it I mean I just I'm not negating how how she feels but I completely disagree with what she said. She talks about her experience. And how much pressure and how. She always had to be how she always had the look she had to be at the show. All of us is not of course everybody she. She painted the industry as nasty as destroying the planet completely vapid. No real relationships relationships and her speech culminates in her sitting in a luxurious hotel room surrounded by Khloe bags because she was crying. Because you're surrounded by Khloe bags. And then she went to your are and she sat beside all of these new influencers behind her beside her and she found the whole experience dreadful. So can you imagine like for me. I put myself in awfully another influence. Sir You know sure. Imagine me being a huge huge fan of garages and they start a show and then calmly met her. You know garage. I saw nice meeting you. And she's going to be like. Oh Hi hello. And then deep down inside is finding the whole experience dreadful see called people hypocrites hypocrites and I'm like well who's fake here but here's the biggest problem. They have is cheaper trade fashion as this whole exactly this evil boogeyman but for me. It's like if I used to live in the Philippines. I started my blog. Philippines and fashion gave me this community entity and a second family. Say I've met some of my long term friendships in fashion. You know sure I did not play the same cheated. Because obviously she featured certain people photograph certain while she played a game not all white and what's pointing a gun to her and said this is how you should act you know. She acted the way that benefited her Indians. And the same thing you know like I didn't play the game like she. Did we all play a game in our own. Different way you now but the amount of resentment that she had and then another thing that kind of strike me at the time wise. She was on a press tour telling everybody about her. Experience wasn't just laugh. She gave an interview with Al.. This before belove in my head I was like I wonder if she rebranding adding because she's on a mission to tell us many people as possible that she gave up on fashion week. Yeah so that was kind of like suspicious for me. People already have a negative opinion of while fashion. People are but I have met so many incredibly nice people who are helpful loyal you know L. and it's just like any other industry totally. Well I think that we also like oh it to ourselves. Just this is my purse you too if there are things that we don't like within the industry instead of going outside of it and talking about it from the outside it's like let's figure it out from the inside aside Ryan attempt to be leaders to more positive I mean I sound like I'm from the Brady Bunch but it is true you know we and the higher the higher you are up in the field the more you can't change that of course and the more you can influence and I don't mean influence the new sense. I mean influence the culture. Did she ever apply to you though zero. You spoke to us a few minutes ago about how you felt like fashion gave you a second family on the sense of community that you found and within the industry You oversee come from minority. Do you feel like fashion has got better representing minorities in recent years. Because I know it's always we've had a big problem with representation definitely you know definitely even see it everywhere not just under runaways. People like to talk about they've versity under runways wastes which is well. It's the first thing that people really see you know but I've seen so many changes internally in terms of executives and people working in fashion houses that's from PR's. I've seen a lot of representations it definitely improved but the only problem that I still have sometimes not all the time. Is that you you know when it comes to working with brands. You know it's still different. It's still differential like for example. I already know that I'm already a Unicorn be being invited. Vital to the show to the women's where shows because I mean when you go to the women's show it's usually all the girl influence earth. You never really see guy there or a feminine guy but here I am so oh from day one in a way. It's already a privileged being already so grateful to be able to work with women's where brands since they want but when when it comes to projects is another story you know like for example. A can't work certain brands. Because you know we still like to contextualize whether a man manner woman family in guy so I'm still not a woman and I'm also not a manly man when he will leave for example. I'm just going to give an example if you I don't if you work with like a very conservative watch brand you know like short. They invited to events. But you're not going to have the opportunity to work with them on like different campaigns. have pain because they're not like this. The image of the May may jump on madman. Want exactly shorter are brands that they work with because I assab how fit the image virtually card that they're looking for but there's still a lot of brands out there. I really don't fit and how to change that. Do I used to talk to the browns in house. Do you do strike up conversations with them. I am not proactively trying to make them change again. Different brands are looking for different. I think some different people for different projects. Sure if it doesn't come from the goodness of their own hearts Shirley they wanna be topping into the LGBTQ community most brands. Let's do most brands. Do you know again. I have seen even eight years ago. Some brands won't even touch anything involving all being around. LBJ LGBT community. But now they're fine with it because again you're seeing more and more representation in the media like I'll give an example cartier. So you know. They're so conservative. In the past you can see it from the people that they work with rest. Now I mean. I did two campaigns with them featuring featuring the bag so for them to be able to do that again. I'm shocked that the executives approved it that they're willing to work. I would like me. I'm the only guy in like eight different. You know amongst eight girls so that was something exactly that would never be able to do this in the past west and speaking of that I mean I don't know if you'll comfortable talking about it but it was out in the open so I'm sure it's okay. Like also reminiscent of the Mira Duma situation attrition that you Kinda came across with yes what happened there Mira Miroslava Dumas and early already of the spotlight for the postcard posted on instagram. They were already. You're already hot water. And then somebody sent me a link to a video of her saying awful. All things awful homophobic transphobic things about me and Andrea paycheck and basically like the lgbt community and she was speaking in front of like the students like two hundred sixty three hundred students in Russia. I mean sure we have a different culture in Russia they have a different stance on on gay rights or gay people. I mean it's dettori homophobic. which really fascinating me? That's what I went there the Russians that I've met are like incredibly hospitable incredibly nice when I was like sixteen years ago. So now I mean Miroslava was. They're talking about us in a really horrible way. Any what's shocking you know. What did she use your name? Yes they my photo on the presentation. It's fascinating because I never got an apology from her. That time no comment nothing and then she called me six months later. You know Chicago remember. Remember calling her. She called me out of nowhere alway or you know and she apologized. She was crying on the phone and then I was shocked. You know it felt like she was reading a script when she was talking to me because on and on and on and she was like. Oh I wanNA give you space before I apologize. I'm really really sorry. This is really not me about Blah. I'm like okay. I accept your apology and all that I just want to forget this. I mean this is a close chapter in my life. You said what you had to say about it about yes. She apologized six months later. She hasn't really been on the fashion scene that much anymore. I don't think so I mean I know very little of her beats beats and what they've seen she she's stop playing the game and she involve herself different sustainability fashion tech. I think she's saying like investing in big big. Yeah yeah now this. Is this all leads to an obviously what she said was like totally unacceptable. Obviously but what do we do about this kind of situation in fashion where we all of us are so public are people allowed a second hands. That's a good one. I believe in second third fourth chances of of course but will the public give you a second chance will brand give me a second chance with the whole rest of the community. Give second chance. We're not sure you know we live. I've been a crazy time where everybody got squirted on cancelled right exactly exactly and we wanted to talk about that and because Dia Prada yeah you know. They are super responsible for keeping people in check in a lot of ways however they are are also to some extent propagating this cancel culture themselves. And where's the line I mean what do you think about that. I think it's good. I mean I think it's good that you diet products bringing light into some issues that are really not being talked about all the time I mean. Who else would do it? I can't even imagine you know especially we me or with you. You know we all have our own things to protect all cannot call people all the time with diet prod its plot form served us a watchdog for a lot of people because they keep their identity hidden that they can the public but they originally did is and by to build themselves up to the reputation that they had before they revealed their identities. They were private is that do you think that that's part of what allows them to gain. No I I mean I think probably about a couple of months after we started become public photo coverage Robert Blake now and of course I mean brands pay brands flight. Him Out. You know Priroda. Flights flew them out. Do Your flies him out so in a way already ingredients in the fashion industry and they're still not afraid to call people of course people. Oh follow them because of their authentic voice in a way but going back to the question of whether they're propagating this castle culture. I think I think it's happening way before even diet I product. It's just a matter of died. Prada bring these issues to light to a fashion audience but the problem is like whereas I do actually think it's important to call out these issues and I actually think it's important and great in a way that someone is not necessarily even doing it to criticize but to say hey like we noticed that this designer has been heavily inspired by this week and then what I always loved about the products that six they would i. Oh how funny the one. We'd called out so protected loss season. This year is the one that we feel has strewn inspiration little too closely to another design and so it always felt like no one was safe and they. They would not like they were really doing it. Highlights how the industry worked and I think as time is involved in. They've got more successful. It costs a little bit like they. Just I mean you know like obviously there was a lot about the cautions on that quite like. Yeah good targets. He targets your targets. Also things that people. I'll come and read. It's like in a way we can get a little bit murky when you're putting out things that you know actually gonna get people ready fide posted because because those are the real issues but what. I have found interesting. Is that in recent months as opposed to talking more about the creative side of the industry and how like plagiarism. Plays a big part in and in the behind the scenes it's been a lot about minorities. A cultural appropriation. And the Lavar which I think has long been sort of left aside within the industry. No one is actually been saying that. It's a real gal. Yeah and now you've got someone really cooling out like the big names. I think people are being kept on toes a lot more. Yeah I think it's a good thing. Yeah it's a good thing. For example. I mean the short it talked about like how would all those corner o'hare I mean this is our top people have already been talking about the past. Would Bala no doing it so you would think certain brands would lessen so. But the big one was adult she wagner show to get Congress in China. Yes yes I mean they love adultery story they. Yeah no it's again. It's an easy target. Well also because still Jink reply they get so mad. When you're teasing your your sibling they keep getting angry? And don't forget with Dauletabad. They have built their brand. You know on scandals and they love OPTUS kind of publicity. Dodgers always love publicity whether negative negative positive. I mean for example when me garage and Scott and Tommy were put on the front row you know adultery show in two thousand and nine so that was another thing like I mean for me. It's a big moment for me for my career. And I'm thankful for that. But now in retrospect they were using us to get attention for that. You feel that way. They did the same thing when they started making inferences. The shows shows no. We don't want infants. Walking Toward Dodge have always sought the spotlight and I have to say even put like Youtube Star person and royals royal way there on the polls there under the know. What they're doing they're they're they're taking advantage of? What's going on around us? So they love publicity. Listen I guess. That's why like product called him out. They kind of flight responded by Steph Kubota. He's a middle aged man to be trolling people like celebrities calling IRA no like. Selena Gomez ugly to you know I mean they constantly eat all. He posted a comment. So can you imagine trolling celebrities in interesting. What you're saying? I never thought about this. But you're right. He's telling the person who has the most followers on the Horn of instagram has the most followers. So does she really yeah. She's number one on the ground and Ken. Yep He's number wound so troll celebrities and then when Cara Variety got married you know of course SKARUPA. Dr Dress Again Steph Steph. Called her on her wedding will publicly. He had no shame me I think so. Yeah and and aw yes she did get. They're all these L. They were like all these brides of August. Two Thousand and September. We're like imagine being that man who has no filter whatsoever. Also trash on their wedding. Day is very by the same time. I mean Steph the medical under company so obviously no matter who he hires a worldwide communications director or whatever like supposedly to protect him he can easily get rid rid of him. So he's on top. You know no one could ever tell him when to stop or stop you know just horrible that sometimes like quitting someone ugly okay. It's not great. It's a bit childish. It's rude but some of the things he said have been past. The point of being politically correct and not to me is unacceptable. Especially especially I mean. No not especially if you're a public any any situation it's not okay but even more so if you have people watching and you're like if you have nothing really nice say it's a personal taxes and keep them private. Keep it amongst your friends you know I mean we all we all human. We Love trash-talking people behind our backs. I mean this is a hobby. I'll I always do what private say. I think I want to come back to your point about the. CEO's creating some sort of check and balance their checks and balances in the fashion industry created by these corporate Robert Guys who get so much flack from everybody that actually if the designers creative people they have highs and lows men Galileo yeah and you know at least sometimes we all have to. And we all have to serve somebody as Bob Dylan Woods. Not that CEOS are always do the most eye on the ball in terms of what's going on but I don't know I think that a watchdog like diet product is valuable. Of course we also also have to watch the watchdogs to make sure that they don't get tunas. Definitely I l certainly. We have to watch the way we respond to the watchdogs. Because story is important on. I think it's really great that someone telling those stories and highlighting those issues but do we necessarily need to go and being like gloss La like get her out of like get disinvited. Believe in cancel culture. I mean one thing that I really don't understand because no one really gets cancelled when I would also like. Komo was trolling people and calling them. Names and doing all these horrible things you just become like the people that you'll fighting in a way I mean it. It would just leave it in a different time. It's become kind of like a recreational activity for people to be fake outrage for example. I posted something that instagram. We just literally on the set of your show by Kim Jones. There's you know there's different in glass boxes would smoke going out and going inside. The box walks in different light settings red blue orange white and then it just happened in the video that I posted. The finale had the orange tone tone into the smoke box. People automatically assume didn't so disrespectful to Australia. How can they do this? How can do this so literally? Deep people it's really not my problem or yours problem. It's the mindset of people that when they see something online it Kinda like ticks them off. They go crazy. See you can receive like forty forty comments. You know people associating the visual of like an inch box connecting it to Australia Australia. Same I had an issue also week. I was invited by a really amazing trip where we were learning about how the bags aid and I posted corruption. That was a reference to George. ORWELL's animal farm. Using the quote. All animals are equal but some are more equal than others. And someone wrote to me saying how dare you write this. It's it's racist it's not racist that's all it's about it's about the economy. It's about how socialism failed society. And it's it's a comment actually on the it's not at all about his political racist and we got into this huge debate where you have to take it down clearly. Hadn't read and she. He said she said I know. It's from animal. But this is triggering for me because it's talking about a system whether it's a hierarchy and I said to said no I said I'm referencing one of the most read books of our gender of all time and someone who I think is so relevant nowadays if you also think of nine hundred forty everything he said is still so relevant and I said I'm sorry I won't that sense of myself because it makes you feel uncomfortable and by the way that's not what I was getting up but it's true that it made me think because if I didn't have the confidence to reply that I would I would have deleted it. Yeah well on a way less intellectual level just yesterday I was very excited to wake up to the photos of Brad and Jen for your ooh guild awards so I put my stories. You know the first and then zoomed in one and I was like please let this happen or some silly because it's just part of our youth all of these ultra feminist. Because I do a lot of feminist following me which. I'm very proud of but broke acting like A. Please leave your encouraging this. She should respect herself. Woman shouldn't be flirting with her husband. And because you should resign why is there. Flirt is chemistry counterstrike. Relax light if there's been chemistry before fool. They'll be chemistry again. That's just how thank God at. Why are we also taking what happened out of context? What if I now I know people love to create all these stories about a visual? It's the culture that we live they think the platforms give you you know. Give everyone a voice to react a certain away on something at least see all kinds of like thought processes gone out the window. You know what I mean. People will always say whatever may be allowed to word from it exactly exactly to your. DM's I mean it's just the way that we live in is an acceptable boy. I mean Brazilian. But this how it is now you know everybody has savoys and everyone's opinions or like butts. Everybody has John and send it in the title. Sometimes I'll correct peop- ball but most of the time I'll just let it pass. Yeah that's A. That's a question actually. How do you decide side when someone replies your tweet for example that in a way that we're really gets to you? Yeah how do you decide it. It'd be if it's completely out of the line if it's insulting or you know if it's racist or sexist or really intrude and obviously you know I'm GonNa Block delete whatever always gotta flake adverse action do otherwise. Most of the time I want respond to it grew up very big as you. I can't be at the same time and if I if I replied GonNa Snowball into something else you Nautica. I've just from you that you can't really change opinions. Can't when people get fired up by the PRU vocals if things that you say. Hey I just ignored him down to okay Sometimes my coffee also lighting the fires. But I haven't platform field is is how I think I share it well and there are. You know somebody else was saying the other day. If you don't like me I guess just exactly. It doesn't my sacred space. Oh you know this is why I love having a private from the moment that you actually cooling people's names out and like commenting on things that they're doing they're entitled to feel like they're allowed to say like Whoa back-off maybe we want to end on asking you What you would say to people who would like to be more like you and to be more outspoken? Take Cintra tips and tricks there. I really feel like a lot of people shouldn't be afraid you're really have nothing to lose said. If you lose a client is talking about influencers. I got all these messages all the time or I wish I was like. I wish I could express something you know policy for example. What issues for I wear a lot of for? I believe that for very sustainable. But of course there's a lot of influencers were kind of can't wear public kind of word for it on my instagram. But I share the same sentiment issue. So what do I do and enough. Of course if you believe in something you know stand for it have conviction on what you believe in and it's going to be any other topic whether it's furniture. If you believe in something stand up for it have conviction if you feel like you have an opinion on something that's happening happening. The world share it. You're not going to lose anything by sharing your opinion if you make a mistake if you're wrong anytime apologize public but just don't try tried to censor yourself too much again opinions or opinions you know. And if people don't like what they're saying they're going to follow you and one more thing Just in terms of getting to where you you have got to. Manila is not a fashion capital of the world. Although I'm sure there's cool stuff going on there but how did you. What was your big break where you started you become known? I think it's more of like when Marc Jacobs Sima Bag after me. How can bring it off with two thousand seven? That's where I Marc Jacob bag and then putting us in the front row snowballed from there just gained a following slowly. The people like mark and don't take became aware of you. Eh remember like mark flew me to. It's you know I my first year fashion week. Show two thousand Ed nine. I believe and Martin was the only show that they did fashion to me because it started requesting requesting. If I couldn't go to my of course I really had no idea how to system work so I literally research online modem online emailed people. Everyone did ninety succeeds. It's fascinating I collect all my rejection emails. Lots there's just like I said something would Prada would produce these. I will never forget. I was sitting in two thousand nine and requested a product ticket. And then they said O'Brien we love to invite you but we have all over capacity and the person that sent me this email I posted auto online and this person left iovine anti McKay eventually left. Product moved to xenia moved to Gucci as a worldwide communications director. Who I've been working with for so long and moved about so literally a person that emailed you ten years ago? Could be the chief brand officer of life and he always remembers me. Because I'm nice. I was polite. I was never rude. He sent me he did. I mean IT products that okay. No problem uh-huh maybe next season so I developed my relationships and people most positions in the industry change all the time people play musical chairs so you always always have to be nice. Nice to everyone that shimmied. Whether they're an intern or not hopefully would touch what. I don't have a track record of Affleck. Being nasty to anyone specially with the brands and they feel like I'm still a flawed and so I was still around because I've always. I always tried to be nice to people that is great advice. Yeah well thank you so much. Thank you for having week course. Fetch the T. offering hours worth of our while. That was as juicy as we expected so so fun. Let's hope it doesn't get us all in trouble. Well it probably will but I could've spoken to him for another three hours on that I agree I agree anyway. We hope view enjoyed it. We'll be back for more in a few weeks if you love us. Show us because otherwise. 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Boy Scouts Bankruptcy, Bezos Earth Fund & Redbox Streaming - Tuesday, February 18th, 2020
"Today is Tuesday February. Eighteenth what to know today about the boy scouts of America why the Konak Youth Organization is filing for bankruptcy and what happens next plus updates about the new corona virus disease. Jeff Bezos is giving away ten billion dollars the new slide out smartphone and another video streaming service. Welcome welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news in less than ten minutes fast. They're fun and on the go. I'm Erica Mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready let's do this. One of the country's oldest and largest youth organisations the boy scouts of America just filed for bankruptcy. The Wall Street Journal says the Boy Scouts is hoping to deal with. It's financial pressures stemming from two things declining membership and sex abuse lawsuits the LA Times says the organization has faced a wave of new lawsuits because several states including California and New York recently expanded legal options for childhood victims to sue in other words more alleged victims have the option to file lawsuits and they have now filing for bankruptcy means any pending lawsuits will be put on hold so the. Ap says it could be one of the biggest most complex bankruptcies ever seen in an open letter. The Boy Scouts National Chairman said you safety measures are now the strongest and most effective policy in any youth organization. And he regrets. They weren't always in place. So what does all of this mean for those kids still in the program now? The organization says the bankruptcy is not expected to impact local scouting activities programs should continue throughout the process and quote for many years to come to be continued. More Americans are now sick with the new corona virus disease known as cove in Nineteen. But there's also some encouraging news that most cases are pretty mild. Let's start with what happened with the once quarantined diamond princess cruise ship in Japan and we see news reports fourteen. More Americans who were on the Corentin ship have now tested positive for the virus yet. Everyone thought they were healthy until right before they got on the chartered flight back to the US. All the infected people were supposed to go to the hospital in Japan so these additional fourteen apparently weren't showing any symptoms and the test results only came back at the last minute. They were still allowed to get on the flight home. The New York Times reports a makeshift isolation chamber was built in the back of the plane using tape and plastic in the hopes. The hundreds of other Americans trying to get back stay healthy either way. All the evacuees are now in the US and under another two week. Quarantine here in America in China or the outbreak started the AP reports. The death toll is still going up now. Nearing nineteen hundred. It said to have at least a two point. Three Percent Retali- rate meaning. It is deadlier than the seasonal flu. That being said the new data shows most cases eighty percent of them have been mild so although the virus can be deadly. Most people who get it ended up being okay of course. People's health is the biggest concern here but there is also an impacted. Companies who do business in China some major events including the Beijing auto show have now been canceled also. Cnbc the new disease is slowing iphone production. Since Chinese factories are shut down so apple just became the first major. Us Company to say it will not meet its financial goals this quarter because of the outbreak but apple says it's more concerned about the health of the factory workers and the company will be doubling its promise donation to support public health efforts in China. Awesome better than expected news out of Jackson Mississippi the Pearl River there crested lower than officials thought accuweather reports. The river still reach a major flood stage but it did not rise as much as some had feared still there were more than a dozen search and rescue missions and about one thousand homes were flooded and Jackson is not in the clear just yet more. Rain is in the forecast at the same time. A major storm is hitting Europe forecasters have named the storm Dennis. Cbs News reports. Britain is now in. Its second week of some serious rain. Wind and flooding. The government is sending emergency funding to help the areas affected and other parts. 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Tommy Boy With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Cousin Sal
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Farley on the Ring Dot Com as well so don't forget to check out because we ran a couple pieces about him this week but right now Tommy scrimped. Don't give her the weight room thing. Tommy coming up. Next Education Foundation heredity opened the door and dedication took it from me. Do we really want to put the future of the company in Tommy's and paramount pictures presenting clip Bob user responding. That's a marked David spade. Yikes Tommy Boy. Do you live under power lines as a kid or something printed. Pg Thirteen all right. Three different locations Sean Fantasies. Here I ever watched bulls appearance the cause cuz itself. Wow all right behind the eight ball. I can't believe how good everybody looks like. This is I feel like I'm in day. Seventy three of quarantine in Tennessee's just come back from the mall. Look at them hair. This is ridiculous I gotta make up for it. Somehow you pay somebody to come to your house in a has met suit and cut your hair because it certainly did. I've been watching a lot of youtube tutorials on how to cut hair so you know just got my own barbershop going in the house. Congratulations well nineteen ninety-five. You guys are both giant. Mets fans not significant from a mets fan standpoint. Although sal did say you did get rid of Bobby Baena that you're maybe but other than that. The mets won six hundred. Seventy five the good news Tommy boy came into our lives. The twenty fifth anniversary is this week. We actually had the scheduled for next month and I just screwed up. I didn't realize it was actually this week. It's weird that this movie wasn't like massively successful right away because I do feel like. It's one of the most successful comedies of the last forty years and he and I think by two thousand four people came around and in the research it was stuff about like by two thousand four. It was one of the ten biggest Vcr SLASH DVD purchases of anything and all that sow. Why wasn't this movie of massive hit immediately? I don't understand I think it took. I think it brought in thirty two million dollars and it costs twenty two million to make so it wasn't a massive hit. I think black sheep. The follow up did almost exactly the same numbers but yeah as far as rentals go it was. It was tops. I mean everybody talked about. It was a call tit. I don't get it. I don't know why people didn't take this would have been this comedy. Duo of spayed and Farley. It's already ranked. They're in the top ten or fifteen but if they bust out like one more movie or two more movies it's undeniable that they're right up there with like Abbott and Costello and yeah right like like Amy Poehler and Tina Fey and the my pillow guy. Donald Trump. You throw any comedy. Do this compete. If they could have just eat out one more movie and then like maybe like three more presentations at an Oscars like you looking at okay. These two they're the they're the shit but I don't know why it didn't count take right away Shaan. When did you fall in love with Chris? Farley? The first time I saw on Saturday night live which is one of the great moments of my life. I think Chippendales is the first sketch I ever saw him do because it was like a phenomenon for people people videotape that episode and they would share that videotape. I it's funny with Sal saying though I think one of the reasons why it wasn't such a huge hit is because the people who love this movie and want this movie where stone to college not going to movie theaters. And when they got the movie on home video they became obsessed with it. And you could just put it on every single day of your life and learn every word and just like all those farley sketches on snl watching this movie again. It's like listening to a great pop song like I just know the rhythm of every single line of every single joke it's just tattooed on my brain. It's crazy and when you're when you're when you're stoned to college it's useful to have something that you don't have to think too hard about and we had a lot of great comedies in the mid nineties. It was just an unusually good run. That's when Jim Carey had his big run. There's something about. Mary is coming out like ninety seven. Ninety eight range so there was this five-year rejuvenation window. But like for me with Farley. You know Meets our old enough to remember when Belushi was on. Snl Belushi was I I never really watched. Snl until they started doing the primetime kind of the best of shows in that was what got me into it And Belushi was is just like. Who's this like? This is my favorite person. I've ever seen in my life. So when as such a big Belushi guy when farley comes on the show and he's Midwest Guy Kinda the same same arc. He's he's he's big. He's physical he. He's kind of on Belushi Corner. So your instinct is. I'm suspicious of this guy but I also love this guy and I i. I hope I hope this happens and you watch them on. Snl starts to get you know. He's always the funniest person even in bad scenes your eyes just gravitate to him and at some point it became clear he was GonNa make a movie but Saudi you remember watching him on those. Snl things in your reactions. I do and I'm going to say something very controversial here. You may even want to cut this. Chris Folly Blows John Belushi Away. It blows them away. Yeah Belushi he's John. Belushi would person I mean. Imagine if you had tiger woods but in-between birdies the tiger woods. The new version. The Chris Farley version is doing cartwheels on the green. That's Chris Farley versus John Belushi Belushi. Great he's understated. Talk about one note. That's him. He provided a lot of great comedic moments but I'm new to the Rewatch ables but correct me if I'm wrong. I think Belushi hits the most rewatch -able on in like three genres. First of all this movie I as comedies. Go Tommy boy is right. Up there of Farley that Bush I'm sorry Farley yes this. Snl moment most rewatch -able obviously the chippendales scene is right up there. I was meant to think that I was wrong for thinking that was funny. I've read a lot of things that say it's terrible like it's it's it's fat shaming. But and then I WANNA to Tommy boy and there's like seven hundred fat jokes in. It's like all right. I think he was probably okay with it. And then the third thing is you're not going to get a more reliable talk show entrance. Maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves here. This was to Promote black sheep the following year Chris. Farley's entrance on Letterman was just phenomenal. I mean you never ever going to top. It comes down the aisle. He's high five and everyone. He grabs a spectator in the second row. Who We later. Find out as a writer dumps them in the trash firemen's carries over to the trash then throws them in there obviously was set up does to cart wheels to Letterman has to Mike himself up and has to catch his breath to promote the movie. And it's like Dave was at his best to jab in a way is like maybe maybe too much candy for always like all. The holidays were brutal. And it's just great movie. Snl Moment and talk show entrance. He hit all three. It was terrific and other research and everything ever written about Farley. All these guys and sailor. I even asked him when when him. And Keiji Rama ipod. Just like see got farley there. You've sandler you've norm MacDonald for the for the second part lease Chris Rock spayed and all these guys become really close and all of them were like. Farley was so much funnier than all of us like just constantly constantly. Funny like Sandler tells the story about how? Farley took shit out the window. Thirty rocket with the Shit dropped thirty stories and just all he wanted to make everybody else laugh. He seems like he would've been the greatest person that ever could have been you know on your floor and college. Yeah thank we're like. Oh my God. We hit the lottery with this guy. He's saying he's hilarious sermons and I think you've seen my friends like you know. I'm attracted to fat guys who liked create chaos right to the fact that he has like an international appeal where he can make people entertain like real people. Not Just idiots like me and you have Chris Farley. And that's what made him terrific. I think and I think that's why this is why I love Tommy Boy. The most 'cause it's rare. That movie can capture all of that like even. Baluchi look at all Baluchis movies. Animal House taps into it probably the closest but blue blue. She'd never had his. Tommy boy you go through his. Imdb like Blues Brother's got sunglasses on the whole time. He didn't even have like his caddyshack necessarily and Farley whose movie career is really spotty. I actually really like him a dirty work. I was glad just in sales shouted out dirty work on the ring. That's another movie. I don't understand why that movie to do well but But Tommy boy you get the full hundred percent Farley in that Red Sean. Yeah one hundred percent. I mean I agree with what Sal said controversial as it might be. The only thing you have to say is there is no Farley. Without Belushi like Farley looked up to Belushi so much idolized him to the point of like excess endanger. You know. He clearly like copied a lot of the the drug use stuff and really tried to try to make a mere image. The difference is I think the reason that I liked Farley. More and the reason I think Farley is still beloved is because in addition to just being that chaos agent that sells talking about. He's also He's very sweet. You know it's like when you're watching a movie. You're there with him like you believe in Him. You love his character. Tommy boy character is probably the most likable guy that he ever made to. And the reason the movie works so well is because you're rooting really hard for him. I still found myself like getting fired up for when they sold half a million brake pads at the end of the movie. I was like thought yet Tom. You Pan so right so I think that he just he has something a little bit more emotional in his in his range to that that Belushi especially in the latter half of his career is like more reserved. He's more cool. And farley's like a big big dumb sweet animal Belushi. I think was a better kinda actor but you didn't really see it except for SNL in SNL. They really challenged him and he did some some high level stuff on that show that they like I think at the end of season one. There's a big star Trek. That's like a famous sketch. Where he's Kirk and he just like completely nails shattner. I don't I don't think Farley had the ability to nail characters like that but I'm with you I'm with both of you guys. I think he's kind of the evolutionary Belushi. He he tapped into all the stuff that I think we all loved about Belushi and put it on steroids. And it's not like if you're going to compare the basketball at Psycho Belushi was doctor. Jay and then you know farley comes in and he's he's Jordan his guard. I see all the stuff you're doing now I'm GONNA LIKE DUNK. From the you know dunk foul and games and do shit like that. Salads. It's such a bummer. We didn't have more Belushi but at the same time if at all these years later kind of feels like maybe that's how that should have worked out like he was like this flame that just. Kinda when file when flying through our lives a unlike some of these other people like Belushi in two thousand twenty could have. I don't know Ben sad in a Lotta ways you know. I don't know how that plays out. Yeah for sure. And it's funny. It's like when you see these appearances on. Letterman and everything else and it's like Oh my God. He could have died there. He could have expired there he could have. We're kind of lucky that we got actually what we did out of him. He was so reckless. And so Care about himself and the story is the actors tell about him. You know It brings out to a different level. It's like one hundred times what we're able to see on screen which is pretty Pretty devastating well and they also had so much more intelligence about somebody with a with a drug problem you know. Belushi is running amok basically from the third SNL season through so nineteen seventy eight till he dies and you know everybody was doing drugs back then and people didn't really totally understand. That cocaine was devastating. Drug that it was. It wiped out a lot of comedians actors athletes. Everybody for like an eight year stretcher by the mid nineties people knew how bad this stuff was. And there's been a lot of good far the Farley or a history book is good. There's also been a lot of good stuff. Written about him and the recurring theme is people did try to help him. Over and over again he went to Rehab Twelve Times. Steroid interventions Galore. And at some point you kind of realize you can't do anything else. More than that. He he famous. I came back and hosted. Snl right near the end and there's still people in his life that are kind of bitter Lorne michaels that he did that because he was in such rep shaped the shows that that great But was just somebody that just couldn't stay out of his own way but Tommy boy. He seems like he's I feel like he's at the peak of his powers. He looks pretty guide. Media obviously is heavy in the movie but he doesn't have that drug look to them yet and I don't know I'm glad to capture him for a hundred minutes. All this stuff we loved What else shall what else about. This movie stands out from a movie nerd standpoint. I wouldn't say it's the most Sophisticated cinematic achievement. But I don't really think that matters you know like I I don't these movies are not designed for that. It's so funny when we when we're doing this show and we go back and look at the reviews of movies like this always the comedy. The comedy seem insane. Ten Twenty thirty years later where people are taking the material so seriously and not understanding what the purpose of a movie like this is. I'm sure we'll talk about Roger Egrets Review of the movie but I think just generally speaking all you need is great. Chemistry between speed and Farley and a story that people can get involved in and just let Farley loose every twelve minutes every twelve minutes. He's got to do something ridiculous. And you have. You have great comedy. You have like a great company that works for twelve year olds and thirty five year olds equally. Well and I. It doesn't matter how the movie shot or whether the story like totally makes sense. There's some problems with. The story is not really not that big a deal as long as they're just letting loose and giving spayed between twenty five and fifty five incredibly acerbic lines. The move is going to be great. I watched with the whole family last night including my six year old. Because I know there's ten fifteen twenty great physical comedy moments and you know he hits it right off. The Bat of I seen I five minutes in he face plants. He's at his fraternity there or maybe it was what the rugby team he plants onto the table. And that's it and then you're you're often rolling. Sean said it to you mixing David Spade Lines. And it's Kinda crazy because you know you rooting for him. This is if there was ever like a bio pic on Chris Farley like this is it like it actually considers his roots that he went to Marquette and in the movie went to Marquette and it took him seven years to graduate which is great and he played rugby. I know he played football. He was all county in Madison Wisconsin. This takes place in Sandusky Ohio. Which by the way we can talk about Sandusky? It seems okay to discuss Sandusky where it's not related to the terrible terrible tragedy that occurred at Penn State all of a sudden unfortunately the same name as a city id It takes place in here but yeah Farley. It was all Chris. Farley and John says the sweetness is brought out and how he saves the town and everything else but it really is him in a nutshell. It has to really good premises. That just transferred depending on what the movie is. One is the the freighter corleones piece of just like. Oh this guy's a fuck up. Now he's going to be in charge of something that's always going to work in a movie and we've seen people do that a hundred times and then the second piece as soon as they're on the road the movie takes off and we've seen this in a hundred different movies as soon as you're in the car and you're going places that's always going to be the best part of a move in. This movie understood those two things and then what? Shawn said about. Just can you make sure? Every twelve minutes Farley does something you know. It's like when they made when they made caddyshack which was like a cocaine fueled mess in a lot of ways and structurally. It's a movie that makes no sense. But at some point they realized they just didn't have a scene. Chevy Chase a Bill Murray in it and they just kind of audible that night golf scene which Yup. If you watch kind of shocked that scene makes no sense. It big zero sense. It has no relation to any other part of the movie. There's no reason for it but it's clear that there were just like. Oh Shit we don't have a Chevy Chase Bill. Murray seen tomboy handles US much smarter. They're like hey you know just let Farley Cook get chef is tools. Let him go. I think the revelation was because you know spade was mid level. Snl Guy he hit with a couple of sketches but was not somebody that you ever would have expected would have carried a movie. And we'll get into some of the casting would have slater but you know this was. This was when spayed really became spayed. Hollywood minute had taken off He kind of found like whatever his voice personas and that kind of led to everything else that came after for him couple Couple things I wanted hip before we get to the categories dis- isn't technically an SNL movie. Because Tommy was not a an SNL character but I do feel like it's an SEO movie They're still on the cast when they're making it it it's too less than people it's SNL people behind the scenes. It feels SNL wish to me. I think if you're just going to say best. Snl kind of adjacent comedy. I think this is probably it. 'cause Wayne's Wayne's world I don't feel like has had the same kind of legs what do you guys think. Is there one you would put above this? I think it's probably Wayne's World Blues Brothers and Tommy boy or the three best most beloved even though this one isn't like you say based on characters from the show. I still think this is the funniest one I think. Wayne's world is the best movie the movie that you like the most that has the most iconic stuff in it. Blues Brother's is it's Kinda similar to the Belushi conversation like I get why it was important. It's doesn't hold up as well as the older gets. And I'd be curious to know like like Sal. Your kids love this movie. Is it holding at twenty five years later? Yeah I think so and I think it's exactly what you said. It's the twelve minute formula. I think twelve is actually a good number to every twelve minutes. He has to you know. It's dumb to compare it to the incredible hulk but bill bixby had to hulk out twice in the hour right before. Like the twenty eight minute mark and then like at the fifty four minute. Mark like okay. Let's relate that to a movie so just Tommy boy and we have to obviously pick up the pace and it's every twelve minutes that he has to do this but and it's funny because you talk about how as far as SNL MOVIES. This really really came from an office relationship like this whole thing. Obviously David Spade is stepping up the nerdiness like we all know. There's no it all nerd. We all know we have many of these in our life. There's like twenty of them working at the ringer right now. We want to admit know. But you know what I'm saying the it's but you might WanNa say like you're rooting for Farley. The whole time when they battle when they have a fight. You're also thinking it's funny that spade gets the best of them. You know any sense that he would but he picks up a two by four finishes them off in the lines in between are great but so you're actually rooting for both. Even though you should be rooting for Farley the whole time so as written by Terry and body Turner who had done Wayne's world and cone heads when worlds to the Brady Bunch movie. They eventually went to create third rock from the sun and that seventies show they are very successful. They've made a lot of money doing this. So there's good people behind the scenes Lorne. Michaels was involved They had Farley at probably the most coherent he was going to be in the mid nineties before he really started. Have some issues? I think Black Sheep Ted. Two issues one was. They barely had a script when they started filming the accused and rougher shape it made thirty two point seven million south said it hits. It comes out of ninety five but around ninety six range. That's when the home video experience really goes to another level that's when D. Ninety six is when DVD's starts to take off and everybody start looking at what are what are the first ten. Dvd's I WANNA get Tommy. Boy for a lot of reasons was one of the first comedies. Anybody wanted and then. That's when the blockbuster era combined with the DVD or a combined with the cable era which was the other piece of this which was the HBO Cinemax run TBS TNT Comedy Central. And it's just on all the time for five years and you know this podcast is called the re watchable. This is one of those movies. Where if it's like. Oh He's about to do fat guy and little coat up staying and it has all these different beats like that. So Sean mentioned the The reviews which were not kind. We always do Roger. Ebert in this spot. This is the all-time roughest Roger Ebert moment. I think ever he gave this movie. One Star. He put it on as he put it on his most hated list hit a most hated list. Which is normally reserved for movies? Like showgirls put it up most hated. He wrote quote. Tommy boy is one of those movies that plays like an explosion down at the screenplay factory. You Can almost picture bewildered office boy. His face smudge was suit wandering the ruins in rescuing pages at random too bad they didn't mail them to the Insurance Company. Instead of filming them very well written for Rennes. Take Sean defend your boy. Come get him like I have. No defense have no I. Rodriguez is a very important person. Film History for Film Literacy to make regular people understand why movies are meaningful but as usual when it comes to broad comedies. Raj Raj sucks. He just doesn't halt. He doesn't he doesn't understand why these movies work. Well is like a basketball player. Who just couldn't go left comedies for his. I can't go left with a comedy it's up. I don't WanNA cycle psychoanalyze. The late Broderie too much but I do think that Tom. Tommy boy in Chris. Farley's wait as the center of a lot of the comedy might be informing some of this stuff to might have been a little sensitive to some of that stuff. Well I'd say I went the other way so now. I'm getting a better perspective but I say we fat guys need to stick together and shame on you Roger. Ebert look at this guy like I said he's doing cartwheels making us laugh with his weight. He's using it to his advantage You know it's The same reason I love Kevin Duckworth and Rick Russell. Oliver Miller Sports Oliver Miller there. You go all right. Well Not Great Faraj. We're GONNA take a break and then we do the categories. Hey wanted to take a quick to tell you about a couple of charities that I just really respect what they're doing right now. One of them we mentioned earlier in the podcast world. Central Kitchen W. C. K. DOT. Org is the web site hashtag chefs for America. You can find on twitter or you can follow them at W. C. Kitchen. 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And they're trying to get meals out to as many people as possible so if you have the means if you have the time and maybe a both go check out those sites and and maybe you can help a couple of people and get some meals to people. That really need them right now. Okay back to the Puck us all right so the categories we always start with most re watchable scene and sometimes we have an issue with this one. Because there's movies like this this movie where the concept of a scene is kind of Amorphous. Where yeah the? This is almost like two two and a half minute bits. That aren't technically seen. So you know onset could've had twenty here so I I I'm GONNA list the ones I had and if I left anything out step in so the first one e- The opening credits are phenomenal. Starting out the little kid running and then shifting to older Chris Farley and then him graduating and him falling through such a good way to pull people in movies like this so often fuck up the opening credits and this is like in my opinion the perfect way to do the opening credits where the move is going. It's not an credits with like Sh- wide shots different things. There's actually like comedy in the credit. So you guys down with that one. Yeah for sure. It controls you who the character is right away literally running running through the credits and speeds up the credits. Which is usually the most boring part of the movie. So yes it was nice and then if you're watching this in the moment if you love Farley from snl the and you're worried about A. They made a farther movie. Hope they don't fuck this up the first four minutes like Oh okay I get it the next one Tommy seizes dad for the first time. And they they put the hard hat on and they go and look at the stuff far Farley doing Kung Fu against the he's always going to get hit and Ed Spade is just completely dismissive of he ends up getting a new office. And that whole thing it's really nicely set up and they nicely set up the whole Oh spades. GonNa hate this Guy. Called reading top to bottom left to right group words together. A sentence tactile offered headaches might offer any cramps. Sure the next one. This is my personal favourite. I don't know if it's mostly watchable. But Tommy on the boat with Julie Warner and they do the first of all it starts with Farley talking about his house father just died. And there's like real acting from Farley. Like like his. He's he's almost crying. His eyes are glistening. And he's like kind of going for it. It's it's it's touching and then it does the wide shot these see the boat and the boat's almost sinking on one side by Julie Waterways like Seventy Pounds. And then then the kids start heckling him and they're doing. Hey Gilligan did you eat the skipper? And all that. He's getting madder and then she steps in an enzyme and you're saying ooh scary punks that this win doesn't that got because all gone over there and John or up their ass creepers. Those guys keep interrupting us. Some sorry about that you were saying about the Listen I'm feeling I know where you live and I've seen where you sleep. I sweat everything. Holy that your mother's won't cry when they see what I've done to you. That's a perfectly crafted. Saint what do you think of that one? Yeah he's pretty pretty surprisingly good actor. Which part of what I was talking about where you feel really connected to him I don't know I would say I don't want to get ahead of picking nits here but I I would probably be a little bit more afraid of Tommy Boy Warner. That's just just putting that out there Chris Farley when he ratchets it up to eleven and screams is definitely seems like he would eat you alive. I was totally sold on. Julie Warner's where you live and I know where you sleep. Bit Sean. It's so different when you know where someone live now on guess. So here's why I think you're right. That scene is so important that they brought it back for the alter the ending scene like they didn't have an ending to this movie and then like. Oh let's go back to the boat. That was sweet. He'll be on alone. This time But yeah it's It it's it's telling it's it's nice and it moves along nicely. And it lends itself perfectly tune ending. I did a wikipedia search of Julie Warner just kind of see if there's anything I can learn. She's listed at five two. I think she's like four nine four ten like she seems way. Tinier than five to you. Just turn this into a draft podcast. What's happening now? I know it's like a quarterback Jer. Brees says he's six to five dead but she didn't throw it the combines. There's one scene when she's at the Amusement Park when she sees Rob Lowe and I bo Derek Kissing and she's talking to one of the board members and she's actually walking on an elevated curb next to him so they can see relatively the same size. So that's I. I love the boat because that just that image of that boat within how it almost seems like it's GonNa Capsize Farley side. It's just really great Neck sweaters another classic time is first sales meeting Which completely falls apart. When he starts reenacting the car accident it does the do gas in the corner puking his guts out fucking kills me and your family screaming. Oh my God. We're burning alive. No I can't feel my legs wagon and the medic gets out and says Oh my God new guys in the corner puking his guts out because you want to save a couple of extra pennies and to me. It doesn't get out that whole scene anyone who doesn't laugh there that entire scene doesn't is dead inside. That's all I could say I watched with my family. Obviously was my six year olds. I I'm seeing and I asked him as I put him to bed. What was your favorite part of the movie? And he said it was that and I was on the fence with that being my favorite scene but so they get a bunch of knows. He's going out there on the road. They're trying to sell these brake pads and they're getting no no no and that was the first maybe which opened it up for him and as a viewer. You're cringing I mean it's hilarious but you're also cringing because it was their only opportunity to make a sale and you know everything's GonNa end up good in the end. But it was their only opportunity to make a sale. He's growing up and he setting all these model cars on fire and during the basically a one act play while and and spayed shooting Darts Adam greatest compliment the scene so that I agree. That would be my favorite most watchable that that was what I was GonNa say was a fun way to watch. This movie is to just watch spades reaction to everything he does. He's in such horror. Everything the Farley is doing in that scene in particular is a really really great one do guys in the corner puking his guts out is fucking iconic so good. It comes in off the top rope right as it's already hilarious. And then he says that That also like that directly leads to the gas scene with Tom. He gets the gas and breaks the door. And He's fixing then Richard touches hit in the door falls. What'd you do? What'd you do which you do which my son does all the time? My son just broke. I have you know I have like five of these. Wwe glasses they're going to John. John isn't that great so last week. My son knocked one over and I came in the kitchen. 'cause I heard something in his like you. Put the glass on the table and it fell over and that's definitely not what happened. That was twenty minutes ago and he. He's got sal is without does the tug on the side of his mouth thing. I just known my son's lying right like you knocked it over. Just admit you knocked. It fell off the table but that reminded me of the Richard. Would you do Benny boy by the way. Benny boy would be a great sequel to this movie. When he takes over the Ringer Jesus Christ shot just fouled US two weeks. He unloads all the weapons he bought on Amazon next one. I'm just stringing together because these are four many scenes that are all awesome. But if you guys want to separate all these out so this movie basically goes from fat guy in a little coat which there's all story about we'll tell later but that is so fucking funny and is probably that scene and and When he breaks that sets the motto cars on fire the two scenes people remember. Probably the fastest. It goes to the carpenters sing along. When they're changing the radio and and up on the carpenters they kind of look at each other than their belting out then that leads to the car accident. The fight scene in front of the prehistoric. Whatever and then the diner with the waitress that's like boom boom boom boom for like ten minutes. I'm submitting NAT as an entire Watchable Stroud Bennett. Bending the rules a little bit lot of bang for your buck there. Yeah for sure. Favourite of those four south for those those four bits. I think the carpenters I think and I was trying to think of a better. I superstar comes on and they're going back and forth they I. They changed the station twice because they don't like each other songs in that comes on and obviously it's all right with it. Yeah Okay that talk about lane you totally change it if you want. I don't care it's up to you. I can live with it if you can see yourself. Then it comes to the Crescendo. Bay The way they cut it perfectly. And it's I don't think there could be a better cell like maybe like something by air supply but I don't even thanks. I think the carpenters was the ideal choice for that scene show. What's your favorite out of those four? Bits I love this sing along callback when they do heiress to later in the movie bilingual. I it's probably my favorite stretch. Is the one that you talked about at the end? There were all of that road trip stuff is happening all at once the moment in particular when the waitress and he starts doing his spiel and he's you know is pretty little pet and he's got the biscuit and he destroys the biscuit just deadpans she's like God. You're sick I killed my sale. Blow it that's when people like us have got to forge ahead. Helen am I right. Catchier sick like such an amazing line reading from that women I. That's probably my favorite stretch of the movie. But there's a lot of little stuff to that. We didn't talk about that is. Kinda like lodged into my brain We talked about the first meeting with big Tom in Tommy after he gets back from college. But when Richard Picks Tommy up from the airport and we see Tommy suitcase. And then when the M.'s? Go inside a Richard's car and the like your brains. The one with the shell on it and all that stuff like when you just see them kind of hating each other right away is so great. It's hard to pick a category like this though because of what you're saying is basically sixty five sketches stitch together with these. Dan All kinds of senator on these two characters. But I'll I'll go specifically with the diner. Scene is my favorite also that that has the mark thing to whereas like Richard Markham. Fa Snow Mark. My face now. It looks the diner scene. Would bug me a little bit. Because that's the pivotal moment that Richard and and follows character. They realize that he does have this ability to sell. I think they have hit that harder. He kind of accidentally got her to make the wings to go back to reopen the kitchen which was closed. They were only serving cold stuff. But I don't know he was just being a jackass and I don't know that Richard would have been like the light bulb would have gone off. Like hey you got something here kid you know I I. Just don't I don't know I think they could hit that a little harder but it all worked out in the end. I do like the idea of somebody being so pathetic. Though that you have to give them money like that's ultimately the takeaway is so messed up that you're like all right fine. I guess I'll help you out right last. One I've watched bows when when the girl goes in the pool and spades thinking about spanking it and Tommy Zim. Fuck Accuse Richard. What are you doing? And then he just rips off over and over the Buddy Hackett the Yankees Richard. Were you watching spanked revision? Okay then let's hit it. Maybe you were watching a movie. That funny comedian. Oh what's his name buddy you all right. Then let's get some show. Hey that's a pretty girl down there for her. I wonder if she goes out with the Yankees. That's just that's just my fucking funny bone like stupid jokes like that with like. He's so delighted that he has something over Over Richard that wants get. What would you have any other watchable scenes? Anything I left out while we're talking about fact guy and a little cold because that's I had that in that whole sequence fat Guy Little Code to the carpenters sing along to the fights into the diner. See We could. We could isolate fat guy a little code as its own thing though. We could do that if you want. Because I think it's important first of all there's a story about. It is what it wasn't even supposed to be a song right. It was a bit that spade would have to endure. Farley would do it in the office and the office and they said like everybody had to go through their office to get the Chris Rock and Adam sandlers office and I don't even know what it was but he's doing a little coat in spades like dude enough already. I don't want to see it. And then it became a song in the movie. I think like an editor or something. So you have to sing that. Like he did in the outtake that guy in little bad guy and take it off to get him so not only is a great and it's funny and it's funny to look at his jacket just further demolishing David Spade. I think it's important in terms of what we're going through right now. I think when we get out of this terrible this quarantine here. We're all going to be fat guy in a little coat. Not maybe fantasy fantasies G. Q. Model and I'm sure he's going to remain that way. But I am going to be fat guy in a little coat. No one's going to fit their clothes and I think this is going to be. This is going to be our anthem as a country going forward and four eight twelve however many weeks from C. Out to you saying our entire country is putting on the freshman fifteen. That's exactly yet. I think there are going to be some hardship cases. I don't want to minimize it. But I think most people don't know how to ration calories going forward and that's going to be a problem maybe it's just me and this house but I do think it's going to be an issue. It's just when you're bored. You just tend to eat. It's like oh I have some. It's eleven thirty at. I'll have some pretzels. I definitely definitely trying to do a lot of that Shop most re watchable scene for you is. I think it's probably the diner scene but I do. WanNa give one shoutout to the end of the movie. Essentially the climax of the movie when Tommy gets is Alinsky to sign the order for five hundred thousand brake pads and then we cut back to the factory and the guy says Tommy just sold half a million brake pads and then the black guy in the factors as Tommy just sold have million brake pads. I swear to God I got chills watching it again. Let's invest it in the movie. I was like this is a great movie by My favorite is the first sales meeting with the new guy puking his guts out that that gets me every time every single beat of that. I fucking love the guy's reaction of Saudia from US remarkable I went in I would set in the model cars on fire and are okay I just cringe worthy and everything else and physically look beautiful yet. All right so sound add the same. What's age the best and mentioned the opening credits? There's some subtle funny stuff in here. Like the Lou. Come your father with the fan the Callahan family portraits fucking. Kill me so there. And then our in. Eileen took over the city Farley. It's such a subtle way that it's just great Rob Lowe's performance as age the best. He's really good in this movie. He was good in all of these anything. Snl adjacent whether it was when he hosted any movie he was in there. Was this whole comedy side of Rob Lowe that I certainly wouldn't have predicted in the eighties in any way shape or form We'll get into the story of how he got the part later but I thought he's really good. The the Old Lady in the Board Meeting. Who's bad that? Her husband cheated. If factory goes under the whole town goes under. That's when the horse come in is just stealth cavity come in a Tommy. Richard Singing Sasi mentioned the whole B.'s. Gimmick was really good. I wonder if people actually tried that in different areas. The whole getting pulled over by a car. And then I love that. They had the jokes about Spades hair were right that they kind of acknowledged because his his hairs definitely weird in this and they just were. Kinda like all right. Let's do some jokes about this. And then the last one was when when Farley's giving the speech to everybody and he's talking about its connections with all different people. It is like las beverage daughter. That guy has a reaction. He's like you were there next to the guy just like skulks off. Arche I lost my virginity to your daughter for crying out loud rob. You're there anyway. That's what else is age. The best for you guys. I was back to the Roblo Bo. Derek stuff it's like even remember at the time thinking Bo Derek was way past their prime and I guess she wasn't. It wasn't in the same decade as ten but she was only thirty nine years old. Lois thirty one Farley and spade were also thirty one but she was thirty nine so this is like Jennifer Aniston thirteen years ago coming on you like Oh man old if I why why is even the casting choice but the the idea that we're going to set her up with Brian. Dennehy who I think is fifty seven at the. I don't know what a a road. Fifty seven going on eighty. It's fifty seven going on eighty. We're okay with them kissing but as soon as she locks lips what Rob Lowe. It's like. Oh God we're GonNa. Why is this? We we suspend disbelief for a minute. I know there's supposed to be a mother and son but I thought that was interesting. I thought they now those that casting right there and I think you could keep watching that over and over I had for what stage the worst her haircut because they like intentionally made her look older. I don't know if they had to go that far because as you said she was still under forty at that point they tried to make her look like. I think she was little older than maybe she was. Well how about thirty minutes before. She's getting out of the pool and Brian as characters. Like what do you think of that and father's like well is that for me? He's like no. That's that's my wife. It's like yeah you're right and then the very next scene. She's like Alice from the Brady Bunch on whether hair. It's very dramatic anything else age. Best for your Sean. I feel like Dennehy is incredible in this movie. He's really going for it like he's so over qualified to be in a movie like this. This is like a a legend of the St. The American stage guy was in death of a salesman. He's obviously almost weirdly like a callback to make him a great salesman in this movie because he played Willy Loman so many times and he's just locked in is big Tom. I really I love that. He's willing to go toe to toe literally with Farley on all the dumb bits. It's it really like that makes movies like this so much better like when you cast serious actors in movies like this it just gives them movies more credibility it makes them more fun to watch you get more invested in them. And he's also a dead ringer for Farley. He's perfectly cast agree. That's a good one you know. I interviewed him once in Winnipeg Canada. Two Thousand One really what? Yeah back before I had enough swayed. Espn to throw my body in front of bad ideas. They were making the season of the brink movie. It was the first TV movie there ever making and he was. The Star is by Bobby Knight and they sent me to Winnipeg to go do a big piece about the movie and Daddy. It was like honestly like minus thirty. Like I'm not even kidding. It was like minus eight real temperature. Like minus thirty eight when shows dead of winter? And Amid Danny. He's trailer jet and he's like exactly how. I think it was a good guy. We're just basically tape-recording a whole thing with them and I'm just asking about was the light to do. The Jericho Mile is basically like a podcast for backups. What was elected you Tommy boy and I just remember like he loved Farley like no surprise Farley had died probably three years earlier that and he was just a man you know one of those moments and he's like making himself a coffee in this fucking trailers thirty degrees below zero outside. And he's I get choked up about Chris Farley. There's just weird but he's he if you look at his. Imdb there's a lot of fucking wins in the Brian Dennehy. Imdb like a lot. He's never he never became like famous famous. But he's he's just around a lot of ways. what's age the worst? You mentioned earlier. Sandusky Ohio tough beat yeah. That's not good. Not good tough on. It really jumps off the screen right way. It's almost like I. I wonder if they could have gone backwards and spent like fifty grand to CGI. All the Sandusky stuff and changed dame with the characters are saying the name Sir Sailing Dusky Ohio. Or you know there's somewhere they could have fixed it. They do do that no they. Do that like what the Twin Towers and like they go back and take them out of film. It's very strange like yeah. They wouldn't have been taken too much time to take the one shot of the sign entering the town population. Twenty Nine Thousand. Whatever and taken the three or four oral mentions out of it but yeah that was a bad beat. This is just purely from what it was like a ninety five versus what. It's like twenty five years later the stunt casting a Bo Derek. In nineteen ninety five was like a big deal like salad. I sound almost the same age Bo. Derek was like Marilyn Monroe for two years. She was the championship belt holder of. Who is the hottest person in the world and Dan Kinda faded away? Nobody you know she just. I don't know what she was doing and then she popped up in this movie. The only thing I can compare it to is like if they made Tommy boy. Now if Britney Spears was the new way F- Only Britney wasn't even like in Vegas like nobody had seen her for ten years and then she liked pop back up and everybody of the generation that like of now for that for the two thousand twenty would be like Britney Spears's in this I think that it and now that doesn't translate it all Flashdance jokes were really funny but have gotten progressively less funny as you know under thirty five. I guarantee producer. Craig isn't it does even know flashdance says sneaking onto an airplane and being the flight attendants now impossible post eleven. Yeah good good point it. Ninety five seem realistic that they could just like. Oh yeah they'll get on the plane. They'll pretend they're flight attendants definitely not happening now by going. Where were they going anywhere? I was trying to think they could probably drive to where they wanted to go. And and not less time but wouldn't have been too were were they in. They weren't in Milwaukee trying to go to Chicago. Because I know that's a ninety minute drive but I thought I thought they were seeing Dusky Ohio. Now had they gotten back. I think they were back and then they had to go back out. Oh really so. That was the Sandusky airport. I don't know it looked pretty bustling. I. I don't know what was going on there. But you're right. Yeah for sure Dusky International Airport and then the last what it would stage the worst. This is just not enough cameos. I feel like between the SNL universe and all the kind of bit parts people had. It's really strange to me that like there's not norm MacDonald popping up in a scene or Rob Schneider all the people that were in their universe. They really played it straight with how they did the movie and and just try to have random actors but I think they could have had more like. Oh well him like that. I liked it I. It makes it a better movie. It's not as funny necessarily if you don't have rob Schneider. Kevin Neal in popping up we did Happy Gilmore last year. It's great when you know. Joe Flaherty shows up comedy icons that show for ten minutes and those movies. I do like when that happens. But part of the reason why this is actually feels like such. A good movie to me is that it doesn't distract you too much. Like even Dan ackroyd part in. This movie is just an important character. Who drives the story along? And they kind of weirdly takes itself seriously and yeah it's it's origins are kind of serious. Farley's dad owned an oil company. He obviously cares about this part of the country and this part of the world and the people who do these jobs if feels weirdly sincere and that's part of what I dig it about it anything else. Age The worst for you. I feel bad but the Herbie Hancock joke just like I'm watching with my kids and no one gets it. You know my kids didn't get it either. Yeah Woohoo Herbie Hancock. I can't even really answer that. I was like well. He was a rock and roll. Well now now wasn't even I don't know I just someone. I knew. He wasn't John Hancock. Let's just this way. I don't know about Lynn's character. I understand Aykroyd. It served a purpose and everything but he was doing the cone heads voice with Mel Kiper. Junior look to them. It really took me a while to get to go on Mike and then like at the end like she's going to jail everything they hang on Rob Lowe Bowl Derek. Getting the same. She's getting the same charging it's like. Hey you want to go to lunch at my country club a a little bit of a stretch that whole last seen how they got the camera crew in there. He's got Bob. He's got like flares tied him in the illusion that it's it's bomb going off. He had just in everyone's mind he had just robbed the bank So you'd think they'd have a look out on the lookout for him. He's pretty noticeable but he gets up there with the camera crew to shoot an exclusive which ends up being nothing but small town hero here Forces a guy to sign a contract that he doesn't want the first place but yeah I don't know I'm not sure about Aykroyd character. I had some nitpicks about that scene that we could just do now. It's always it's always a funny device when everybody just happens to be watching the local news during the workday right. This is something that just never ever happens in real life a hey check the news. Tommy's like who who does this And then just a dumb leading him into the office or the you know. He basically pretends he has a bomb which is a felony and save the company. Like it's but it's a comedy so you can't. You can't go too far in that when we're going to say Sean there's just one other thing the the whole movie hinges on these guys going out on the road and selling all these brake pads right. That's the big the crux of the story. So they finally do it. They get out there. They sell all the brake pads. They get the success. They figure it out. It'd be great salesman then they get back to Sandusky Ohio and soon as they get back there like wealth. There was a mistake. Just we're in trouble again. It happened so quickly like you don't even get a chance to process. The fact. Did anything got fucked up. It is a little bit confusing. It's good to keep the movie ninety minutes but We spend all this time thinking about the mechanics of selling brake pads to the United States and then within minutes. The whole thing just goes belly up. It's just it happens this a little bit too quickly. Yeah Drug Rob Lowe. Is he presses to buttons on a computer? Everything goes to hell immediately. He's the mastermind casting. What ifs so the original story? Which apparently was envisioned by Lorne? Michaels who just wanted to do a farley movie and Somehow had some of the idea but he wanted rob lowe in the Richard Part and his idea was Chris Farley Rob Lowe and some version of this movie became but Rob Lowe is going to be the foil. She loved Roblo That didn't work out. Because Rob Lowe had a bunch of stuff going on so farley really pushed for spayed or Sandler for the role Richard and they were GonNa do Sandler and pursue that but Saint Louis already shooting Billy Madison. So spayed ended up being the third choice. And I think that was probably the right choice. If you look at everything on the table Rob Lowe in that role. I think a little have been weird Scheduling conflicts almost forced rob lowe to drop out of the film and they had to have these quickey auditions for a whole bunch of people. One of whom was Matthew mcconaughey? I saw that I thought the rob lowe thing really worked McConnell. Hey in that role would have been really fun at that point in his career. That's like two years after dazed and confused. It's a year before he does a time to kill I don't know would have been fun One More Helen. The waitress fantasies favorite character originally supposed to be played by Roseanne Barr. Whoa but she was busy at the time unable to appear in the film so they got whoever the lady was would be one. I think she was doing her show. They've probably a good mix for Tommy boy Best That Guy Aka. The Joey Pants award is a stealth. That guy he's so much of that guy had no idea what his name was. It's one of Tommy's board members. It's the guy who's kind of bald with like Bulgy eyes. He was in fight club. He was in curb your enthusiasm and sees the one that guy. His name is Zak Granier. He is absolutely the winner of this category without question. This guy is an awesome. That guy. He's on that show devs. That's on fx right now and it is amazing in it but he is like if you if you look at his IMDB. He has been in everything he's been on. I think seventy five. Tv shows over the last thirty years and he's really funny. He has one of the best lines in the movie when he's being filmed at the wedding. And he's like congratulating big Tom in beverly and he's like beverly man what I like to get a piece of that Birmingham Tom. You are a lucky man for but I like to get some of that good Lord. No listen Richard. You gotta headed. But I think it'll cost you a little great job. That Guy Vincent Hanna. They knew word for best overacting Odyssey. You could give Farley and five of these scenes. But that's what makes Farley so great right. I'm going with accurate. Yeah I I was saving my accurate thoughts for this category. But it's weird. I also think you could make a case that he should win the D. N. waiters award. He's he filmed all his scenes in two days. He's really gone for it. I don't know what the folks going over this hair. He's doing that crazy. It's like a Chicago accent. Crossed with a cone heads accent. I make car parts for the American working man. Because that's what I am and that's why I care about that's why I'm here. I'm not really sure what his motivation was any of this. He's definitely Winds Vincent Hanna Award. I think arguably wins the Dan waiters. It's very equity and this is a point of Acuras career when you know he he kind of moved into a different phase. He wasn't headlining movies or even doing really stuff like this. This is right when he started. Resurface he started doing Bob Dole on. Snl again And it's just weird. I don't know what to make of it so soundings. It's weird strong. What do you think I think? Sometimes he can be an amazing guy like this like a cameo guy or a guy who comes in for the last fifteen minutes of a movie. He does a really good version of this. In Grosse Pointe Blank where he plays like the rival assassin opposite John Cusak and it works. This one is like a little bit more over the top and a little bit sillier. I promised myself that I wasn't going to get all pointy headed about this movie and I'm trying not to but one thing that you like. I think the reason for this character is. This movie is like weirdly political about middle-class people working in the rust belt and how there are certain figures in the world who are trying to take things away from those people and those. Alinsky character is basically like he's the face of an Evil Corporation. He's somebody who doesn't care about people and they literally he literally says that his catchphrases about the American working man and then he literally says behind the scenes. Fuck these people. And he's like important to represent something. It's clear that like. Farley actually believes in his whole family is blue. Collar is from the middle of the country like there is some real meaning behind this and even if Zilinskiene either and what Ackroyd is doing is pretty over the top and stupid like. I do think you need that guy in the movie. I GUESS ISSUE IS I. I didn't think he was evil enough. He is kind of no man's land where it's like. Is this a good guy? Bad Guy and I don't think Aykroyd really knew how far he wanted to go with the evil part of this. I think he should have been like twenty percent more evil. He should have been more. Vince McMahon Ash. That's the thing like there was no clear villain in this movie that the struggle and the conflict was created by Farley himself for not being able to to sell parts and everything. It's like. Oh so that's what he had overcome. But you would think if this was a typical movie one of the three suits that hung out with dennehy character one of them would have been completely completely against folly taking over the company as it was it was just one loud mouth foreman. Who would kind of speak up every now and then and then? Yeah then you take it to then you take it to Aykroyd character and it's like yeah even he wasn't over the top Villainous you now and if you look at it it's so funny I always thought about that. Maybe you thought differently I. Mike throwing ackroyd Pity roll here but just kind of worked I mean Koenigs was ninety three and if you look at his. Imdb from ninety four to like two thousand one. He was in like four productions a year. Maybe nothing great. You know. We're not talking. Like wasn't titanic or anything. But he was busy he was ringing busy and it was like it. Makes you think differently about Dan. Ackroyd I have no idea who wins at the end waiters award. I guess it could be him because he definitely does jump off the screen. It's that my favorite performances. Ernie other dion waiters. He checked people. I think it's Rob Lowe Yaqoobi Rob Lowe is in the movie too much so as my question. He's basically only got four scenes and he's you know he's really funny in In the cow tipping seen. Does it make it different? Oh yeah wait a second. Is this your first time? Yeah Tommy it is. You're GONNA remember this the rest of your life. You never been cow tipping before yet. Okay if he's eligible. I agree rather those the winner. Rob Those got a hog brothers. Don't shake hands Sean Winter. We doing an entire Rob Lowe podcast. I have so many thoughts. He's out of complicated life. I'm not sure if that's safe for public consumption. I'm more interested his. Imdb is kinda fantastic. He made a lot of movies that I really liked. Yeah he he also has he has like an snl movie villain. Sweet spot you know. He's he's really funny in the Austin Power in Austin powers to and he's obviously like he's pretty much connick Wayne's world his character and Wayne's world is incredible. I think he's he's weird. It's like you simultaneously incredibly famous incredibly successful. Everybody knows you. Rob Lowe is at the same time it's like. Has He actually ever done anything? Like authentically great in his career. I I don't know saying you know what he's done that's great he constantly looks like he's twenty seven years old years later through fucking Moore. Who is it? It's it's it's Roblo it's Jason Bateman. It's it's John. Is there even a fourth or is it just those three? Tom Brady well along the way. Rob Lowe is definitely. These guys are in their fifties rob. Lowe's the vice president of the I wouldn't wanNA lead by wife alone with him for three minutes club. Hoster costner being the president. 'cause we saw it in action at the Grand Party all right when the bombing he showed up. Every woman at the party was like if even motions toward me. I'm out I'm out with whoever I'm with. I'm going on with them so we saw it happen. I'm going to review the Rob Lowe. Imdb really quick because he made more really entertaining movies than you think. The outsiders class. I'm just doing my favorites Oxford Blues. I stand by Oxford blue solid movie. Cinemas fire youngblood about last night. Masquerade is is Kinda dated but was like a solid erotic thriller. Bad Influence spader. I stand by that one way as world. Tommy Boy Austin Powers. Pretty solid like two decade run. Their servers like ten entertaining movies. He is horrible insane almost fire as the saxophone player. That's like one of the worst performance of the last one hundred years. How dare you? How dare you Roger watchable fire? Below is so bad. Where do you stand in about last night? That's good. I do like that. Actually okay. I defend rob. Lowe's move occur AIDS. Bill Simmons. I just wanted to make sure you're listening to podcasts on spotify. Here's how you do it. I search for your favorite podcasts. On spotify Zap they have elaborate over seven hundred fifty thousand PAS at this point. So let's say you're searching for the Dave Chang show or the ringer. Mba show once you find them. 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On spotify back years Recasting couch if you could recast any part in this movie. apologised abode Derek. I would have gone better actress but it also needs to be somebody where there is a nostalgia. Wheelhouse in place phoebe. Cates comes out of the Pool Little Fast Times at Ridgemont high throwback when she's in the pool she's never stopped looking great. I don't know what she looks like now but I guarantee she looks great I think she could've carried the sex appeal thing. And I think she's a way better actress than Bo Derek. Who was an absolutely abysmal actress? I mean really an atrocious actress. So that's my pick. Do you guys have one. You lose the ten joke. That's the only thing you lose if you don't have Bo Derek like wow. She's at ten which was kind of funny and obviously younger. People aren't going to pick up on that. You know what I was GONNA had written down. Michelle for this and I know you did a deep dive on her but I think like I kinda think it works because I think they went for the size disparity and if she is four foot nine four foot ten as you say that's perfect and it's worth it just to have her on the boat in the beginning for Julie Warner so who would you have had instead of her. I had her written down. But you talk me out of it so actually I gotTa Sean figure it out. Well I was thinking about this because we just did. Happy Gilmore. What if we just swapped Julie Warner with Julie Bowen without have been better than Nineteen ninety-five Air Julie Bowen Julie Bowen? The thing is though I guess I am. I have a thought on this. I want to save for later One thing about Phoebe cates. Is You know she would have been only thirty. Two years old in one thousand nine hundred five so. I don't think that would have been tough. As as far as the age disparity like Sal pointed out that was only thirty. Nine thirty three would have been much closer to Tommy than than a big Tom. Fair fair point more wisdom from Sean Have Fast Internet Research Rob. Lowe's on credited. He was filming the stand and felt weird about dinner the movies so he did it. Because he loved Chris Farley their friends Farley did all zone stance David Spade tells the whole story about him and Farley got an actual altercation on the set the spaded gone out to drinks with Rob Lowe and Farley was jealous and kept going. House Rob Lowe has Roblo just bugging him about it and spayed through his diet coke on him and Farley throw him against the wall and ended up going falling down some stairs in spades walked off the set refused to continue filming and they went like ours without speak each other. Which apparently they did all the time like sometimes they would just get mad at each other and they would just talk to the director through to get messages to the other guy that sounds like they were like eight year olds. It's great. I love research on. This is funny. Apparently like they did ask far away to go out but he was too sick to go. What what. What does that mean for Chris Farley? To be to say. Sarasota and they went out without him and he got he got upset and it ends. Yes part of that is he. Crushes spades tuna sandwich or something which I thought was funny bone. Derek was nominated for a Razzie word for worst supporting actress. So congrats to her Both the name of the lady who is the naked woman in the pool. Even though we never saw was Lorri Bagley apparently both spayed and Farley ended up dating her after the movie Wow and And it caused tension with them on the set of black sheep. Because I don't know who dated her first and who is upset about who so who knows there Original work entitle. This movie was billy. The third bid Western but Lorne michaels was working and Billy Madison. Wanted them to change it Other names considered sow fat. Chance and imagine how much effort would hated that and Excell excell Tommy. Boy is such a perfect name for this. I don't understand how they I saw. Rocky Road did you see rocky road as one of the titles Sean. I thought I saw one of the. I saw that too. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I like billy the third mid Western. That's that's Pretty High Falutin Apex Mountain Chris Farley. I'm going to say yes. Yeah you guys agree hundred David Spade. Kind of happened to say yes. My son would say it's GROWNUPS. My son knows him as the grownups guy like the under twenty generation knows spade a Kevin James all those dudes. They're all the GROWNUPS PEOPLE. Because that's like one of the big movies for people under twenty. They've dream would you dream of giving Mike or the mad dog apex moment without each other? Like you wouldn't right now. It has to be the head of it. Julie Warner Julie Warner I'm GONNA say yes. I think the DOC Hollywood doc Hollywood man really yeah. There's a emerging from the water moment. Doc Hollywood is pretty important for Julie Warner similar to Bo. Derek's moment to my. Yeah that's not bad. I think Tommy boys definitely lived on more than DOC. Hollywood though just talking about Julie Warner though. Just hurt her apex just re-watch doc. Hollywood tell me what you think. That's another case for her. Being not five to but four foot ten because Michael J. Fox's taller than her in that movie he's definitely tiny all apex out in the Mid West. Wow really I don't know about that. The packers win the super bowl the next year. There's just a lot of good stuff going on. Wisconsin that year feel the drafts wear Wisconsin Wisconsin Apex? Brake PADS hundred percent. Yeah Yeah Bill. Could you describe what a brake pad does could get any other Apex Bounds? Or should we move on I about Holy Sh- Nike's I like that? And and if you read about it. Farley claims he took it from John Candy which in planes trains and automobiles which this movie resembles a great deal if you go back and compare the parallels but a whole each Nike's at good and just like Sun Uva I like Sun Ova when you can't say son of a bitch get son of use it a lot about a dozen times picking nets. I don't have a couple. It's hard to pick. Nits with a comedy. That's ridiculous. How hard would it be to drive on the highway without a driver's side door? Just feel like it's way harder. Maybe the we'll be gave adequate your seatbelt on right. The I think the wind would be really bad. Though and you just be way more scared I would imagine yes especially in the fall with I mean you see. The leaves are turning although he graduated at stuff too tall for. It's a fall I think entitled to all but anyway. Yeah they're driving through kind of cold country there. Yeah and then. There's basically a whole convertible stretch for them to which in the Midwest you're basically looking at May June July and that's the only due in August zilly doable drive around on the Highway. The convertible weather. But if that's the case then Farley's way sweatier you're talking gets a hundred degrees like he's just sweat becomes a character in this movie so I I don't know what what season with. This movie I Tommy Senior was rich enough that I feel like he's at least having somebody research is fiance. At least you have your friend at the Sandusky police station run a background. Check this smoking Hot Lady in her thirties. Who suddenly interested in this old rich guy. I don't know where did they meet at a retreat or something or was it a spa and they worked there. I think it was a weight loss camp. Oh that's what I wanted to weight loss. Yeah that's so. Let's unpack Bo. Derek's characters gripped here so she gets a job as like a coach slash counselor at a weight loss camp so that she can meet overweight wealthy guys and then marry them and then hope they die like what's the what was the move here right. And then here's here's my handsome son Rob Lowe whose only three three years younger than I have. Yeah crazy it's tough Would it be that easy? We've mentioned this earlier in one thousand nine hundred five to hack Julie Warner's computer and change hundreds of break bad sales that were across the country. I still feel like best case scenario. That's three hours rob. Lowe's Day just just changing all the totals around. I don't know the movie makes. It seem like he's just in there for one minute presses two keys and then everything gets fucked up. Yeah also here's another thing. He's an idiot. He's not he's not that much smarter than Than Tommy Boy. Really I mean this is a guy can't can't even shoot out a tire on the trucks. He's having trouble everything he does. He's he's you know he kit. What does he do? He's peeing on the the reactor their rights go up so everything flies in his face. We're supposed to think he has. He's computer savvy. He goes on like you said she's probably away from her desk for like three to five minutes and he changes all these orders dozens and dozens of orders and knows exactly where to jump in and out. It does lead to one of my favorite scenes which is when he actually breaks in and he changes. All the numbers and Julia Warner's character comes in and he walks away from the computer and he leans against the shoot and the shoot rips his shirt off and he very quickly says between that and the sweetness I'd say hang onto them and then walks with no shirt on. It's really some good some good low in that scene right. Could this be remade as a ten episode? Netflix show Gado. Don't how about this? Don't remake this movie stayaway Best quote. We mentioned a lot of them. Had A couple more. A lot of people go to college for seven years. I know they're called doctors. I finally graduated. Yeah just a shade under a decade to all right you know. A lot of people go to college for seven years. I know they're called. Doctors Grey Line when Farley does the that died retarded like. I know. We're not supposed to that word anymore. But the way he the way he delivers that with which he would do at us now too but he had that self deprecating. He's on the Chris Farley show. Snl sketches to when When he would have the guests on and he would try to talk and he would just get so flustered then he would just start hitting himself in the head. I always his like self abuse of. I'm such a moron. I can't believe I did. That was like one of his best tricks. Enjoyed that Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a kid? Why and then I would spayed says. I just barked. On Noah pissed when he's drunk are those any other quotes. We didn't mention on the podcast yet about I could get a good look at a steak by sticking my head up a bowls. Ask but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it the entire movie to get right and then it was It was so gratifying when he actually did. Hey I'll tell you what I can get a good look at t-boned by stick in my head up a balls ask but now would rather take the butcher's word for it. It was good. Yeah he nailed the landing finally. Yeah we should have put that. And what's age the Best Unanswerable quest probably answerable questions. I only have two. Are we sure? Derek didn't kill Tommy senior. Yeah you think he poisoned him. I mean her whole thing is it's a graph than she wants to marry him then hope he because she's fat they have the wedding and he dies during their -ception and I I don't know it it. It feels like there might have been a murder. I was thinking the same thing. What would have been a better way to reveal that? She's you know she's this is not a legitimate. This is not a kosher arrangement to show her spiking his drink during the ceremony or a couple scenes later where we see them embracing at it. Now I think I think you're right or they do the toxicology report and it's time to win. They had that Linski meeting. And it's like Ryan just found. He's he had this crazy thing and we found the bottle in your room. I guess it would have been too much of a. Yeah too much of a detour but yeah you could be like presumed innocent or something just bothers me. That's alinskyites updating our at the end theoretically and then Tommy and Julie Warner were they dating. Were there with. Was it a sexual relationship at any point? She's not on the boat. At the end they went on one date. We don't we never saw them kiss or have any affection but yet I feel like it's his girlfriend in the movie but she definitely wasn't she's mad to ditch him and leave when she thought she screwed up the brake pad. Where sal how do their next six months play out? It's so funny. Do you remember Simmons? You might have been gone by now. One of the very first years. Jimmy did the up fronts the ABC up fronts where he presents he does like basically a ten minutes of stand up as the advertisers. Sit there and decide. What if they're going to write a check or not He was going to present the bit and we had a shot and everything and it was called. It was for a new. Abc Sitcom called Fat Guy. With a beautiful wife and Jim. Yeah and Rebecca Romaine was in it and they shot like three scenes and it was very similar to a lot of stuff that was on TV and they brought it to the upfront. Abc was okay with it and they realized they had three comedies. Like that were just like it. Like we can't parody because this is exactly how our fall lineup is going to roll how it hit too close to home. Yeah I remember exactly so I I think she's. I think it could work for them. I really do. I don't think she was too. You know it wasn't it wasn't Tommy boy and Bo Derek. It was you know this kind of Meek character who was cute and I think it would have worked. I think they could could last Sean Boca last. I believe in the possibility of love between Julie Warner. That's physically it's terrifying. Because she as we've learned she's four foot six seven seven hundred pounds so that's scary but otherwise I think they're great together. Who on the movie is usually our last category? This one's pretty easy it's Chris Farley. He went oh it is nicks. Oh Wow we did. I did castaway by myself a couple of weeks go and that was the most convincing who on the movie ever but this is this is up there. It's in the mix for but for most convincing. This is Chris. Farley movie Hey this is really fun sal. Any last words. You're I re watchable pod while this is great you know I. I don't know I sit home. I'm thinking John. Maybe I think of it differently in these tough times. I kind of look at well. What would I be doing right now? Maybe the mets would probably one in five Degrom would be battling tendinitis in his elbow. I try to think worse case scenario what. I'm missing Simmons. You know I would've had Kansas on a crazy moneyline parlay and they lost like in the third round. So yeah. This is what I'm thinking but I also when I look back at this movie who would have been better to do a corona virus. Psa Right now. Then Chris Farley to scream at people we saw Larry David he half ass Kinda through one. He got hit at paint him to do on. But Chris Farley would scare the shit out of everybody into staying home and For many reasons but for that reason also I miss him. That's that was well said and as you were saying. I just realized how much money you would have lost during March madness. Every person who's actually actually the financially the corona viruses are better for you because of all the money. You're not losing exactly as you just got killed every year. Yeah I know you don't have the regrets Sean. Any last words were just sharing this beautiful memorial for the late beloved Chris Farley and all you guys can think about is how you're not being degenerate camping right now. So incredible stuff all right. That's it for the Sean Sean. In South this is a pleasure. Thank you awesome. Thanks fellows thanks bill right. That's it for the re watchable. As if you WANNA get a jump. Start on movies. Were next week. The first one is total. Recall the good one. The one that matters. Oh yeah that one and then the second one will be enemy of the state so those are two really really good. Rewatch was and you can watch them this weekend. Check both in the mount. Hope you're staying safe. Hope you're not getting too down about all this stuff we're going to be here. We'd have a whole bunch of content for you to take your mind off As much as we can Stay safe listened to the doctors listened to the scientists.
Boy Scouts seek bankruptcy, urge victims to step forward.
"Coming up on five minute Nimes. Donald trump goes on a clemency spree. Bernie Sanders opens up a double digit lead in the Democratic contest and boy scouts seek bankruptcy urging victims of abuse to step forward. It's Wednesday February. Nineteen I'm Anthony Davis. Donald TRUMP IS GONNA clemency blitz commuting. The fourteen year old prison sentence a former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich and pardoning NYPD Commissioner Carrick among a long list of other criminals trump also told reporters that he had pardoned financier. Michael Milken who pleaded guilty for violating U. S. security laws and served two years in prison in the early nineties trump also pardoned Edward debartolo junior the former San Francisco forty nine is owner convicted gambling. Fraud Scandal who built one of the most successful. Nfl teams in the game's history Blagojevich who appeared on trump's reality TV show. The celebrity apprentice was convicted of political corruption including seeking to sell an appointment to Barack Obama's old Senate seat and trying to shake down a children's hospital but trump said he had been subjected to a ridiculous sentence that didn't fit his crimes. Carrick served just over three years for tax fraud and lying to the White House. While being interviewed to be Homeland Security Secretary Nagoya Vich exhausted his last APPALACHIA option in two thousand eighteen and had seemed destined to remain behind bars. Until He's projected twenty twenty four release date his wife Patti went on a media blitz in two thousand eighteen to encourage donald trump to step in praising the president and likening the investigation of her husband to special prosecutor Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the two thousand sixteen election trump saw her on television and took the bait presidents. Do have this unquestioned. Pardon power but no past president has been as transparently transactional in doling out clemency than trump friend or friend of a friend. You a very good chance of being considered for a pardon. In trump's world the months Senator Bernie Sanders has opened up a double digit lead in the Democratic nominating contests according to a new poll. Saunders has thirty one percent support nationally up nine point since December the last time. The poll asked about Democratic voters preferences. He's next closest. Contender has nineteen percent. But that second place rival is former. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg with this poll Bloomberg has qualified for the Nevada debate despite not being on the ballot there. For Saturday's caucuses many Americans have become familiar with Bloomberg lately in this race because of his ubiquitous TV ads Bloomberg campaign manager. Kevin Shaky called the new poll results. The latest evidence of a groundswell for the candidate Bloomberg A multi-billionaire has spent more than three hundred million dollars of his own money on ads and despite not competing in the first four states of the nominating process. He's vaulted now into second place. Nationally in recent days Saunas and Bloomberg have opt attacks against each other. Saunders has taken aim at Bloomberg for the amount of money he has spent in the campaign accusing him of trying to buy the nomination. Third among Democratic voters and democratic leaning independents is former vice president. Joe Biden with fifteen percent down nine points since December. The Boy Scouts of America edged victims to come forward yesterday as the historic one hundred and ten year old organization filed for bankruptcy protection in the first step toward creating a huge compensation fund for potentially thousands of men who were molested youngsters decades ago by Scout Masters or other leaders. The scouts resorted to chapter eleven in hopes of surviving a barrage of lawsuits. Many of them made possible. By recent changes in state laws to sue over long ago sexual abuse bankruptcy will enable the organization to put those cases on hold for now and continue operating but ultimately the boy scouts could be forced to sell some of their vast property holdings including campgrounds and hiking trails to raise money for victims fund. That could top one billion dollars. The boy scouts estimates one thousand to five thousand victims will seek compensation it's claimed more than twelve thousand boys have been molested by seven thousand eight hundred abuses since the nineteen twenty s. According to boy scout files revealed in court papers the bankruptcy represents a painful turn for an organization that has been a pillar of American civic life for generations and a training ground for future leaders achieving. 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Scouts Honor: Why the Boy Scouts of America Filed for Bankruptcy
"It's Tuesday February eighteenth. Welcome to skim. This where breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter today. The boy scouts of America filed for bankruptcy. Doing so could make it easier for the organization to deal with the onslaught of child sexual abuse lawsuits. But how will this impact victims will explain then Michael Bloomberg just want something money can't buy or cannon? It's an invited. Tomorrows presidential debate and finally how grasshoppers may have a second job in homeland security. We're here to make your evening smarter. Let's Kim this. Today's episode is brought to you by Carmax. Discover how easy car buying can be. You know who's not getting their merit badge and budgeting this year. The Boy Scouts of America today the one hundred and ten year old organization filed for bankruptcy in a move that could have a big impact on delivering justice for victims of sexual abuse. Those accusations have come up all across the country. It is the first case in San Diego but its Portland Oregon courtroom the with more than one hundred and eighty boy scout leaders in New York New Jersey accused of sexual pedophilia epidemic. That is how a new law suit describes the problem of child sex abuse in the boy scouts of America little by little these lawsuits had been working their way through the courts. Now the bankruptcy process is totally shaking data to understand how it helps to look at the bankruptcy process and a little more detail and we may already have kind of roadmap for this thanks to the Catholic Church. Both institutions are being sued for decades of child sexual abuse and for covering it up. Those lawsuits have massive financial costs. And that's main filing for chapter eleven bankruptcy. Look like a lifeline in a number of Catholic diocese kind of like chapters in the. Us took that lifeline and declared bankruptcy. Some people might think that bankruptcy is a way for these institutions to escape accountability. That by saying they're broke. They don't have to face the full justice they deserve with. A true story may be a bit more complex than that. Declaring bankruptcy can be humiliating. It's a court filing so there's no hiding it but after that it can have some upsides by helping organizations fix their financial problems. The process involves disclosing all their assets. Were the boy. Scouts will find out the actual value. What they own like buildings or hiking trails. Then they have to. Tally up liabilities or debts. Which in this case includes all the financial claims being made against them in lots of individual lawsuits and one's all events in the open then whoever's going bankrupt proposes away to reorganize their finances and pay everyone they owe money as in. Here's the size of our pie. And here's how we're going to try to divvy it up and throughout the whole process. The bankrupt organization gets to stay in business for the boy scouts. That's really important. Since they need paying members to stay afloat and to try and stick around for another hundred and ten years. This bankruptcy process should also help the boy scouts deal with lawsuits coming in from all over the country. Jennifer Freeman is a senior counsel and child-sex-abuse lawyer at the March law firm in New York. The bankruptcy imposes what's called an automatic stay of all existing law suits and once the bankruptcy starts all those claims basically are refiled or Amassed in the bankruptcy and then additional claims are filed. Proof of claim are filed which are less complicated than each individual lawsuit. This simplified legal process can help victims to want some of the facts about the scope of abuse are established. Planes can get resolved faster and for those trying to put abuse behind them that can provide closure but freeman says having thousands of individual claims combined into just one process can also be painful one of the benefits of bringing a claim for a child. Sex-abuse survivor is holding that entity responsible and putting the responsibility where it belongs which is on the shoulders of the perpetrator and or institution. Which allowed us to go on. And you lose a lot of that in this complicated morass bankruptcy. You're not you're not gonNA have your own individual hearing so there are benefits and downsides of his bankruptcy process. But it's what's happening another attorney watching this closely. Is Mitchell Garabedian? He's brought sexual abuse against the Catholic Church and against the boy scouts and he says today's news should encourage even more victims to come forward. This is going to be a huge legal fight. They're just so many victims out there and they're coming forward left and right and what is going to trigger a lot of victims coming forward. Is this news about the boy scouts. Filing for bankruptcy Garabedian Freeman say judging by the phones at their law firms. That's already starting to happen. Is started ringing off the hook early this morning. Our phones are ringing off the hook as well. So what's the Skim? The Boy Scouts of America's decision to declare bankruptcy didn't come out of nowhere it had been talked about for awhile especially as stage change statute of limitations laws to allow victims to file sexual abuse lawsuits years or even decades after that abuse occurred and those laws as well as coverage of stories like today's are empowering more and more people to speak out about institutional abuse they've experienced and to seek justice but it's important to keep in mind addressing institutional abuse is just one part of a much bigger picture to reality. Is that more females get sexually abused than males but not in the context of institutions that sex abuse usually occurs in the family or by a family friend or a neighbor. So where are the the girls being really helped? And all these male oriented child sex abuse claims for more on the push to change state laws and make it easier to file sexual abuse lawsuits check out our December fifth episode on Lookback Laws. We've added a link to it in our show notes coming up. The Democrat candidate pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into his presidential bid. Just earn something. Money can't buy more on that after the break. You shouldn't have to be an expert negotiator to buy a used car at Carmax. You don't have to be. There's no haggling and no pressure to buy the price you see is the price you pay. And it's based on the car not your negotiation skills. It's car-buying without the stress. Oh and they have over. Fifty Thousand Carmax certified cars to choose from plus it's tax season and you'll return could help you put that down payment on a car just saying head to CARMAX DOT COM to discover how easy car-buying can be. It's twenty twenty Tuesday and this week we're looking at a candidate who's making a splash this morning. Twenty twenty hopeful Michael Bloomberg officially qualifies for Tomorrow's Democrat Debate. Michael Bloomberg will be on the debate stage tomorrow night in Nevada. A new poll showing the former New York City mayor making the cut with nineteen percent support. Yep almost three months. After Bloomberg entered the Democratic presidential primary. He's finally getting ready for the hot seat by now. You've probably seen a lot of his campaign ads and Mike Bloomberg and I approve this message. Or maybe you've seen some of his means on your social feeds Bloomberg spent over four hundred million dollars on different kinds of campaign ads. That's more than double what? President trump and all the other Democratic candidates have spent on ads combined but by flooding the airwaves and avoiding the debate stage. Bloomberg has basically been able to say whatever he wants without getting questioned by other candidates and those candidates aren't happy about it. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Who's leaning and most of the polls right now said at a rally. Yesterday that the party's nomination shouldn't be for sale Bloomberg like anybody else has a right to run for president. He does not have a right to buy the presidency on. Nbc's Meet the press on Sunday. Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar said. It's about time Bloomberg stops hiding behind his ads. He has to answer questions and of course. I think he should be on that debate stage which eventually he will be Because I can't beat them on the airwaves but I can beat him on the debate stage and I think people have. America deserve that to make a decision. You see for most of the debate so far. There were two requirements to make it on stage. I A candidate had to have a certain percent of support in the polls and they had to raise a certain amount of money from donors that second requirement cat Bloomberg off the stage because he didn't really have donors he's a billionaire and he's been funding his own campaign so no outside. Donations meant no debate stage but last month the Democratic National Committee rewrote the rule book and made it. So you don't need outside donors to get on stage. Some saw that as a not so subtle effort to get Bloomberg invite not only that Bloomberg is now doing great in the polls a new national survey out today shows them with nineteen percent support that puts him in second place right behind sanders now that he's made the stage tomorrow night. The candidates can duke it out with him in real life. Tufts University political science professor. Jeffrey Berry says we should expect Bloomberg to be on the defensive attacked by other candidates And he's going to be the subject of lots of pointed questions from The journalists who are conducting debate. And tomorrow we'll catch up on some other drama bubbling up between twenty twenty candidates ahead of the debate. Until then if you WANNA learn more about this winding road to two thousand twenty head on over to the skin dot com slash election before we go today. Here's a fun fact about an insect. We didn't know existed cyborg grasshoppers since scientists at Washington University in St. Louis have created cyborg grasshoppers that can detect explosive chemicals in their environment. They wired chemical receptors in the grasshoppers antennae to record and transmit electrical signals through sensors strapped to the backs of the bugs. If you're picturing bugs with backpacks you're not far off and get this. The seven grasshoppers in the study could identify chemical explosives with an eighty percent average accuracy the US Office of Navel Research. Funded the experiment with the hope. That these cyborg bugs could reportedly be useful for homeland security. So we might expect to hear some more of this in the next terminator reboot and that's all for Skim. This thanks again for listening and be sure to hit subscribe and rate and review us on Apple. Podcast IF YOU WANNA get your morning routine sign up for free newsletter. The daily skin right on our website at the skin dot com. It's everything you need to know to start your day right in your inbox.
Boy Scouts Chapter 11 Filing; Apple's Coronavirus Warning
"For those fortunate enough to help the person who has always been there hero. Find The care guides you need to help at AARP dot org slash caregiving brought to you by AARP and the Ad Council with lawsuits piling up. The Boy Scouts of America filed for Chapter Eleven. This bankruptcy is in many ways the culmination of a movement that has been taking place all across the country to compensate victims of decades old sexual abuse really dating back to the Catholic church scandals in the early two thousands apple warns. It won't meet revenue projections because of the corona virus outbreak of apple sees a slowdown in its production than there may be a slow down further down the chain as well. It's Tuesday February eighteenth. I'm Charlie Turner for the Wall Street Journal. Here's what's news. Hundreds of Americans who had been passengers on a corona virus stricken cruise ship in Japan landed in the US on Monday among them were fourteen people who tested positive for the virus but were allowed to join the operation at the last minute State Department officials said none of them showed symptoms of the virus such as sore throats or coughing. The evacuation came after the virus cases aboard the Diamond Princess rose to four hundred fifty four prompting questions about the efficacy of the ship. Quarantine on Monday. The World Health Organization reported there were more than seventy one corona virus cases worldwide and over one thousand seven hundred seventy deaths only three of those deaths and seven hundred ninety four cases have been outside of China and the majority of those cases. Were aboard the Diamond Princess. Democratic presidential candidates are blitzing. Nevada ahead of the state's caucuses this Saturday. The Wall Street Journal's executive Washington editor Jerry. Cy Moderated a forum over the weekend where several candidates pledged to rebuild the nation's infrastructure. Every one of these candidates in this race has talked about a very big infrastructure program using the trillions in the case of Elizabeth Warren and the two trillion dollar range. It's one of the few issues where there's actual bipartisan desire. In Washington something done but things just don't quite happened in Washington and so it's A. It's a very rich topic for conversation and we had a forum in in Nevada. Where for the candidates showed up. Joe Biden Any club. Hr People to Judge and Thomas Dyer and this was important because this subject is of great. Interest to labor unions e infrastructure is not just the infrastructure roads railways bridges highways ports. They also see this as jobs and so. I think one of the reasons the candidates wanted to come join us and talk about this. Is that the Labor vote in in Nevada is very important and they wanted to be there and talk about a subject that was important organized labor. The candidates are preparing for a Wednesday night debate in Las Vegas that could include the debut of billionaire former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg who has poured more than four hundred million dollars into his campaign with an eye toward the Super Tuesday states. Next month a ban on assault style weapons in Virginia was blocked by a state. Senate committee Monday. Dealing a blow to the state's new democratic legislative majority. The proposal was the most contentious gun. Control Measure Democrats. Were trying to pass this year. It cleared the House of delegates last week but on Monday. The State Senate Judiciary Committee voted ten to five to push the bill off to next year for Democrats sided with all six Republicans on the committee to back the delay flood waters in central Mississippi approached record heights Monday swollen by weeks of rain. The Pearl River appeared to peak Monday afternoon at around thirty six point eight feet. The highest level since nineteen eighty-three hundreds of homes and businesses. Were inundated roads were closed around. The capital state officials also warned of continued danger as the waters recede in the coming days. Officials said no deaths or injuries were reported and pier. One imports filed for bankruptcy Monday. The home furnishings giant. With more than one thousand stores is looking to sell the company less than two months after announcing it would close four hundred fifty stores and cut costs to slow cash burn. Pure one isn't weighed down by debt but has been facing increasing pressure from online buyers. Mass merchants and off price retailers like wayfair bed bath and beyond an Amazon. That wasn't the only bankruptcy filing. We'll have more on the boy scouts of America. Coming up your blood pressure. Numbers could change your life. Talk to your doctor about creating a plan that works better for you. Start taking the right steps and manager. Bp Dot Org brought to you by the American Heart Association American Medical Association and the Ad Council. The Boy Scouts of America filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy Tuesday. The organization is facing three hundred pending lawsuits. Alleging sexual misconduct by employees and volunteers. It's the largest single bankruptcy driven by claims of sexual abuse joining us with Moore's Andrew Scurry A- a- deputy editor of WSJ PRO Bankruptcy Andrew. Win Had the boy scouts of America originally considered This bankruptcy filing believe they started considering it a couple years ago as some states notably New York. I believe I'm started thinking about Opening UP THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. Windows the boy scouts saw around a couple of corners. And could sort of see where this was going. This bankruptcy is in many ways the culmination of a movement that has been taking place all across the country To compensate victims of decades old sexual abuse dating back to the Catholic church scandals in the early. I two thousand. How does the process of bankruptcy filing work in this particular case? Well a bankruptcy would've bankruptcy filing does for the scouts is it puts a halt on These hundreds of lawsuits pending all around the country and forces claimants to negotiate with the Scouts in one centralized forum so it eliminates the possibility of jury verdicts or further. Discovery cuts down on legal expense and creates one forum that we're scouts. They can negotiate a solution with victims. Andrew tell us about the strategy the boy scouts or pursuing in bankruptcy. I assume it would involve protecting as many assets as possible right will. The Scouts are organized. Sort of on two levels. There's the national organization and then hundreds of local councils that actually operate the troops there's assets at both levels and They've all been named as defendants in many of these lawsuits. Both national and local. The scouts are aiming to protect as much of the assets at the local level as possible by placing only the national organization into into bankruptcy and the Plan is for the local councils to most likely contribute some of their assets into some kind of compensation fund for victims that will be administered to handle claims and make payments But the hope is that those councils can avoid You know having to file for bankruptcy themselves and You know come out of this relatively unscathed. Let's talk about the victims and their representation of attorneys representing former say. This strategy is inadequate. Why well they've long taken the position that the scouts that there is no corporate separateness between the national and local divisions of the scouts and that it is in fact a vertically integrated organization you expect that to be put to the test somewhat in bankruptcy or for that dispute to end ultimately you're a settlement or court ruling Wall Street Journal's Andrew Scurry. Thanks a lot thank you. Onto markets will be watching shares of apple after the iphone maker said Monday. It wouldn't meet revenue projections for the current quarter due to the corona virus outbreak. Last month apple had projected record revenue for the first quarter as high as sixty seven billion dollars. Here's The Wall Street Journal's trip Michael. It's really two things that are really encumbering apple. It's both the sales in China. Where Apple's had to shut down stores many of its partners of add this shutdown stores as the government looks to contain the corona virus and it's also manufacturing apple said that an anticipate some shortages in iphone supply that are going to affect worldwide sales as a result. Apple isn't the only tech company that will be impacted. I wouldn't look at this and think like this is going to affect Microsoft facebook Amazon the other behemoths intech but it could ripple across the semi conductor industry for example Which has a lot of manufacturing operations in China could be affected both from a manufacturing standpoint and then also many of them are suppliers to apple so if apple sees a slowdown in its production than there may be a slowdown further down the chain as well and the tech industry isn't alone and I mean we've already seen others warn of a production impacts as a consequence of corona virus. I mean we had Volkswagen say Monday. That it's GONNA postpone production restarts at some Chinese plants. We had Fiat. Chrysler say last week that it had to halt production in Serbia. Because it can't get some parts from China. Oil prices have fallen eleven percent just because of awareness of China's economy slowing down and then on top of that we we've also seen Chinese consumers travel less. And that's hitting sales. Yeah oddly enough in the US where Chinese tourists usually are big big buyers of luxury goods? That's trip mickle of the Wall Street Journal. And here's what else we're watching today. The nation's biggest dairy farming cooperative has struck a four hundred twenty five million dollar deal to buy dozens of plants. From bankrupt milk processor dean foods executives. Say the deal would preserve jobs and markets for farmers milk but it still requires approval of the bankruptcy court and the US Department of Justice and the National Association of Home Builders releases its latest housing market index. Today that's a survey assessing. How optimistic homebuilders are about the single family housing market? And that's what's news for Tuesday morning if you like our show please rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Charlie Turner for the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening and have a great day.
Larger Than Life: A History Of Boy Bands From NKOTB To BTS
"Good afternoon everyone it is Wednesday July. The twenty ninth of two, thousand and twenty. It is currently three thirteen PM central time I'm coming to you from Abilene Texas now, I. Hope you're having a great day and if you are well, then I hope this podcast makes it even better if you're having an absolutely horrible day well, then I definitely hope this podcast makes it better and improve your day greatly I. Really do I I hope everyone enjoys this episode I. Hope You find it to be entertaining I. Hope it I. Hope you find it to be interesting but to be honest with you. When I got ready when I got ready to hit the record button I was sitting there going I. Wonder. I wonder how people will will respond to this episode. I think some people will see the title see the subject that we're going to talk about and they're going to tune in just to laugh and to mock others may tune in with almost a feeling of nostalgia and Gomaa Remember Those Days I. Wish we could go back that I. Wish we could I wish I could capture that feeling again right now and twenty twenty I think I think some people will find it to be. Interesting, some people will find it to be entertaining. Some people may find it to be absolutely foolish, but we're going to dig in we're going to, I'm going to do my best to make it interesting entertaining fun and hopefully not a waste of your time. Are you ready today's topic for this episode of the currently on podcast where we talk about what's currently on that means movies television show music, and it also means books and this episode we're going to be talking about a book. That deals with are you ready? Boy Bands. Boy Bands now I don't know what you're history is with boy bands. I don't know how much you listen to them I. Don't know if you were a big fan maybe you were a huge fan of some songs released by some boy bands and you don't want anyone to know and it's a dark dark secret that you want to remain in the dark. Okay. I'm not I'm not going to tell the whole world. I'm not going to give your name and go no no no, they were a boy band they were at they were at the concert of seek they. They saw new kids on the block they had their posters on the wall. Fan and I loved it. I think everyone has kind of some some different reactions I'm GONNA throw an idea out there. And I could be wrong. I think a lot of. Attitudes towards boy bands has a lot to do with whether you are male or female. I think I. Think it does and let me explain if you are a male obviously I can speak from that perspective I'm a guy. All right I'm a male. If. When I, whenever boy bands, we'd get popular it. It was almost impossible. It was almost impossible to not have a little bit of how can we say I don't maybe maybe jealousy is a good word a little bit of jealousy here in these young guys you're a young guy here these young guys, and here's these young guys that all the girls that you are into the all the girls are. Into those guys and those boy bands that's all they can talk about their have their posters. It doesn't matter one direction in seek backstreet boys. You name the the the boy ban the girls are screaming they. They're talking about them. They talk about how hot they are, and you're like, but but but man bunch of losers music stitcher music sucks I hate the music is it because you hate their music Or is it because they have what you? So desperately want as a guy especially I mean I mean come on you can sit there and try to district throw this out but I think there's a little bit of truth here. I mean come on. You're a teenage guy and all the girls are into you name the boy band whatever you know whatever you know time period in history the boy and became popular you just name it. If, you're a girl you may not get this. But if you're a guy, you're sitting there going man. The girls love that and there's a little bit of jealousy a little bit of envy a little bit of a almost like you know irritation I want. Girls to talk about me that way and as the guy you tried to tell yourself. Well, if I was famous, they would be talking about me the same way it's just fame. Has Nothing to do with their looks. It's it's just their fame. If I had the same fame, I would have the I would get the same praise and women would be yelling and screaming for me. I think for a guy it's hard to process this I. Mean I really do you may you may disagree and and that's perfectly okay. I mean as a podcast, throw my ideas and you can you can. You can disagree all you wind I mean we can spark a conversation. But I just know that in my life that at different times, you're like man, all the girls are into them and so it was it was almost cool I mean on guys you've gotTa admit this girl's you may not get a bit. You gotta girls you have to understand the Mel ego is a fragile thing. It is fry it can break very easily. It does not take much for the guy to crumble. Okay. Of A woman wants to know how to a- literally one hundred percent control a man like complete utter control. All you gotTa do is manipulate the ego praised the ego manipulate the ego, and the guy. Will. Walk through a burning building for you. We'll do anything if if he if you if you inflate the ego praised the ego, build the ego, the guy will do anything for you That's the power that women can have in some cases. All right but I, I think the Mil- Eagle is fragile. So when a boy ban becomes super popular, it's really easy and some cases for a guy to go their music is garbage garbage as just that mainstream pop crap it's no good. It's. Like this because they don't understand a real band that don't understand you just name the indy ban or the alternative band or the or the you know the the metal band, some bands kind of way off the mainstream path a little bit. That's real music. Look what look at what they do look they look they're not. They weren't just you know put together. You know they're not just a manufactured. A bunch of they picked a bunch of guys who looked good and and you know manufacturer a ban for mainstream consumption. You can throw out all the little buzzwords about why it's garbage and that it has no true artistic value has no true artistic merit. They don't play any instruments. There are a bunch of all. They are just you know a pretty boys with no talent and they look good and they're going to. Be, the flavor of the month, and they'll be gone in fifteen minutes and nobody cares but I'm listening to real music that has artistic value and artistic integrity that will be around for thirty years I'm listening to the good stuff. Now, there may be some truth that you're listening to bands that will be remember ten fifteen years from now. But at the same time those bands those boy bands that reach epoch popularity. Also, remember that any radio station that is playing the hits from yesterday, right those mixed kind of channels playing the hits from yesterday and today as long as that kind of mix format exist whether radio playlist throwback Thursdays whatever the case may be those songs that were super popular even though they may not have quote unquote had the same artistic value that your band that your favorite band had those songs. Are going to get rid a pull back up and replayed over and over and over again because of their popularity they live on. So I can understand trying to draw distinction between maybe artistic value. But those songs by boy bands, they still touched generations. They were super popular they were catchy and I think that sometimes they're disregarded s just being nothing of substance our value but here's the thing if a song. Now, I I'm all for judging a song I'm all for judging art. A Using criteria you know based off its creativity you know the what the music did was the music going to influence the next generation. You know did did that particular music push boundaries in that genre? Did it create a new genre? I think there's lots of ways to to. Offer an objective criticism to music based on certain criteria I. think that is true. There is a subjective element to music that cannot be denied. If a fourteen year old girl fifteen year old girl. Here's a song by a boy band somehow just speaks to her heart captures her imagination whatever however she? Processes the music of a boy band however, she whatever context her mind puts it in and it speaks to her and it's there day after day after day she's listening to it. That music still has value to her even though you may. It may not stand up the scrutiny of a an objective criteria and how you judge music there still value to it because of its emotional connection in there's always an there's an emotional connection to music that that transcends maybe an objective judgment and criteria offered to it. Now, that doesn't mean that music should be spoken of being the best ever. Doesn't mean that music should be spoken of as being the greatest ever. It could be could be spoken of as being your favorite. Ever. Your favorite ever doesn't have to meet any objective criteria. That's a subjective thing your favorite at that time. You know backstreet boys you know you just name use name them. You know you just have new kids on the block you just name the era. That band spoke to you at that time. So it had a subjective value that still means something to you even though it may not meet a an objective criticism based on a certain criteria. It still has value and I think sometimes for some for some guys, we reject it just because we were somehow threatened by all the girls liking it and I think that's unfair I. Think we have to sit back and kind of go back and go. Well, you know what? It really is a well crafted pop song. You know it really is well crafted a breakup song as it is a well-crafted love song. No, it's not gonNA it's not gonNA live up to the standards of you know. And you name the famous band it's not gonna live up to that but you're not. You're not trying to compare it that way you put it in its proper category and enjoy it and I, think that's what we have to do with boy bands I think we have to allow them to be what they were and they speak a generation maybe maybe the generation they speak to you and maybe just the female population you know. Our or whomever you know what whatever however one views themselves, whatever category that went to place themselves in if it speaks to you that all that really matters from a subjective standard and out matters I just from my experience if a female loves it, the male. I think feel somewhat threatened by it. So we immediately rejected and by rejecting it, we maybe discount its value. As art and music, even though it may not meet a an objective it may not pass an objective criticism using criteria, but it still has some kind of value in it speaks something. Now, why am I saying all of that? I just heard a news article where there's a new book out about boy bands. So we're going to do is we're going to listen to some. We're going to listen to this report it comes to us from NPR it aired on their radio program. All things considered we're going to listen to it. I'll stop an offering analysis in my own thoughts now, I've got to be careful here because obviously and their news broad and their broadcast they play some of the music I can't play some of the music because obviously NPR. Assuming some type of copyright. Ability to play it which I don't and I don't want to violate any anybody's musical I don't want to violate a copyright on someone's music. So whenever they go to the music, I'll have to reduce the volume. Kind of just go Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah talk over it while I'm still listening to it then bring it back up I could have probably Try to edit out all the music things but then it would sound weird because they come back in and they kind of mentioned them you. So you'll get the idea hopefully this will work, but it'll it'll. It's going to bring to light this book maybe you'll be interested in reading this book if you're not. Interested in reading this book maybe. Maybe. You'll take some time pull up a streaming service spotify apple music. Whatever use and just pull up some of the albums by boy bands that maybe at a particular time, you had a very negative view to and just sit back and try to listen to it and a more objective way right Not because I think there are probably a lot of things clouding the way you view it I mean, and a lot of people do this and a lot of different ways you've got that you've got some people that it's mainstream it stinks and they don't like it. Well, that's not fair either so i. just think there's a lot of factors that go in and I just know that when it. Comes to boy bands. It cannot be denied I think a lot of guys rejected it just because of their fragile egos and I don't think that can be denied. But let's see what this report had to say and what this book has to say, and let's see if there's an interesting angle here that we can analyze. Here we go. This comes from NPR it aired yesterday on all things considered. We're going to take a few minutes now to talk about boy bands and their fans. I got to turn that down. We're GONNA. Come right back in just a second. Is Rolling a little bit. Well, what if I told you the segment was about Elvis and his teenage fans or people who obsess over their favorite sports teams author Maria Sherman says boy band mania is just as legitimate as those obsessions. But for reasons that she explores in her new book, boy bands don't get the same respect I. Often tell people if history's written by winners histories written by rock critics and they don't typically get along with boy bands. So Maria Sherman wrote her own book it's called larger. Than, life a history of boy bands from an Cayote to bt S. she was already a music critic when she fell in love with one direction and she told me their songs helped her appreciate new ways of thinking about music to think about boy bands critically can't really adhere to the same value systems where authenticity by songwriting is the Ester the most interesting thing and artists can be you have to place that value of authenticity elsewhere in that would be the connection that listeners have with the music itself. You can make the same. Berry Gordy motown was based on the sort of factory system that gets thrown around quite a bit when talking about boy bands, we value that music I. Don't think you're going to hear anybody talk about how formulate the Jackson five were. Let them play a little bit of this. Go. Down people really enjoy that music because it makes them happy the same and should be about one direction and new kids on the block and Right now, I think this is an interesting point. She's making that you have to have kind of different value system right? A lot of people say we just manufactured is just a factory line find the new. Find the new boys that look cute. You kind of have the the type each boy boy bands usually have a certain type you know and you bring them in. Yeah. But if you go back, the Jackson, five music is not viewed as boy band music. Now it's not it's not treated that way. Sometimes time changes perception. So when we look back on some of the boy bands especially now if you're older, can you perceive it differently rate I think sometimes the music we have to have and I agree with her, we have to kind of have a new different way of valuing it. We're not looking at it at Oh it was changing music it was influential changed the Jonah, it it it brought in this new technique or did this or or look how authentic the lyrics were no it. The value in it is it connects to certain people at a certain time at a certain age de going through certain things I mean, every music needs to speak to different people at. Different Times. Have, we have a different way of valuing it. Then maybe we can find its value because I think there is value there. So I think this is an interesting perspective. Let's see what else she has to say. And Cape Up. So much of the like crystal communities dismissal of boy bands do you think is connected to the fact that their fans are often young women and young women are often dismissed almost entirely I would have to talk to other critics dismissed this music more frequently to to get a more holistic image of it but I do think a lot of it is internalized perception of what is. Good and that's the rock songwriter and that's not what boy bands are I tackle the idea of Beatle mania quite a bit in the book because one of the main characteristics of boy bands are that they have this frenzied but I think it's really lovely fanaticism surrounding them. But if you call the Beatles, oh boy band people get really just missive about it. They really don't enjoy that I found. The book is kind of delight for history of the genre, and there's a song by new kids on the block that you identify as accomplishing what this book hopes to do a quick hook heavy chronology of modern boy band history so Just, take a listen to this as a kind of table of contents Jane. TV. We can't. We can't listen to new kids on the block on this podcast me because I don't want to get in trouble. Right. Interesting. The Beatles comment we'll talk about that more would argue this is the musical pinnacle of Boy Band Artistry but it does the job rate. Yeah I not show this to the aliens as the best example of boy excellence but it does a really wonderful job of establishing a chronology of boy bands as you mentioned, and it also does a really wonderful job of including the boy bands. especially, the black boy bands I kind of get written out of this history boyfriend music popular music is founded in black music. It's sort of through line throughout all popular music history. There's a reason backstreet boys on ever break your heart sounds exactly like boys commends end of the road it agreed just let's listen to those back to back starting with backstreet boys. And you can go listen to them on your own so I'm not violating copyright law. I'm no I'm analyzing it, but I just don't want to. Another going to boys to men. And Music Borrowing and copying from other music is pretty common phenomenon in music history. Direct inheritance their home and yet for many people and myself included I don't really see boys to men as a boy band and there are a variety of reasons for that. But sort of the obvious one is it wasn't presented as a boy abandoned. So much of what boy band identity is, is how it sort of marketed and sold to you boys to men are kind of seen as a sexier R&B male vocal group and the backstreet boys are a little bit more innocent. There's something to that like image. Of Chastity even if it is sort of alluding to something pg thirteen, I also think that perhaps because black and Brown youth are typically sexualize younger age. They're not sort of afforded the same privileges as as white boy badge and that's why you can have the backstreet boys who are at around the same age doing something very similar but sold to tweens whereas boys tremendous for like a more mature audience. If somebody's not necessarily a fan of boy bands, can you suggest a gateway drug something that might get them hooked? Thou- would depend on what their interest or what sort of genre of music that they're interested in because I. think if you're a real hip hop head than bt is the way to go. Bts Yeah, we can talk all day about. Classic. Rock kind of listener. Later, one direction sounds a lot like fleetwood MAC. There are a lot of sort of rock and roll reference points there. Compare wind direction of fleetwood, Mac. Debate. Sort of Solo trajectory of Harry Styles. If you like Latin pop courses always menudo. New. That's a that's a blast from the past. Audience. But I still am delighted by it. What was your gateway drug what got you over your music critic snobbery and made you fall in love with genre I often say one direction ruined my life and I mean that in the most wholesome way. Sort of wish that there is a more theatrical dramatic realization but the reality is it was just a late night I turned on what makes you beautiful and that lake first moment where you hear those crunchy guitars. It listed the sense of join me that I immediately clocked as youthful. It felt like butterflies in my stomach like I had a crush on a song and not these boys necessarily. But what the sort of symbolize this just here serotonin release just absolute. Freedom from embarrassment just. Trying to be careful here I. think There's something really beautiful that happens when you find that boy band like really gets you into that appreciation. It feels like almost political dismissal of pre existing limitations of of what's considered credible or cool. It was just like, wow, I can be free for pretension for two minutes and forty three seconds or however long the average pop song is and and really just sort of given to joy. That's amazing God I. Wish We all have that experience I believe you can't. You just have to find the right boy band for you. All Right Maria Sherman as we wrap up what song do you think we should go out on it's only appropriate to do and thanks. Bye Bye. Bye. Of course. Okay that's a little too on the nose there larger than life. A history of boy bands from N. K. O. T. B. TO B. T. S. thank you for talking with us. Thank you so much. This is so much fun. There you have it. Now they didn't I wish it would played less music and had more of a conversation I really wish they would have. But I, I didn't want to steal from them and act like that. This was all my topic and I came up with it because I did I'm barring it from that. So I wanted to give credit back to this original source wants you to. You know to explore that book. In fact, I'll. I'll have to grab my ipad here in a minute and I'll give you the name of the book and everything and make sure I'd give a credit do here but there's a lot of things to discuss. As I was stating now she did not bring this up but I think a lot of hatred toward. I'm going to go with my theory. My theory is I think a lot of a lot of hatred is, yes it's a frenzy as. The, the Phantom of boy bands typically are frenzied females. WHO ARE FANATICAL Who are losing their minds? Right? They love them and I think the guy step back and go no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no no no. They see the those guys. Almost, as competition, it's almost like, no, I wanna be I want the girl to think I am the greatest I'm the hottest I'm the best because that's how guys feel whether they ever verbalize it. Some guys may be better at at. Covering up that that fragile ego. And a an outward appearance of confidence and cockiness and arrogance but I think it's still deep down inside a mini for many many guys and teenage boys. Yeah, it makes you feel very inferior. Insufficient like I like you just feel like wait I can't. I can't. I can't compete with that because and you can't trust me I. Bet there are a lot of young females. When a female singer becomes very popular and all the guys are talking about this female singer. I bet you there's a lot of females who may feel some of those same feelings. Maybe I don't know how they process and I'm not gonNA speak for a female because I can't. I don't know their experience, but I can speak from my experience but I think. She she talked about a value of how you connect to it and she described this feeling of like this butterfly. Crush, this excitement in life this youthfulness this joy and if a song can capture that and create that in you. Then there's value in it even though it may have been manufactured. In a t of a team of fourteen people writing the songs and and the boys themselves really aren't writing the songs. They're just kind of faces who dance and sing but that's irrelevant. The song can if it's still captures those feelings, then the value is an emotional value. I may not have any long lasting musical value and I think it's also funny. She brought up the Beatles because I think it's interesting. The Beatles I mean come on, go back to the are early Beatles stuff they started off as a boy band that that blossomed into something far greater and I wish sometimes it would be interesting to see if that can work. And our and modern culture and today's World Kenna boy ban start off as a boy band that has all the the frenzy fanatical maybe female love and then they develop into something of musical significance that transcends their boy band origins and and you talk about how some of the guys I mean Harry Styles. He's went on to really put out some amazing work. You know apart from he's moved way on past. One Direction. Now, some of the boys boy, they never really are able to do that maybe because they did lack the talent maybe they were just. Dancing and a voice, and they didn't really have any musical ability but that's okay. They produced a kind of art that still captured a feeling and spoke to people at a specific time in their life and you can't. You can't just immediately reject that because you don't like it. They'll look look there's a lot of music out there that I think from a musical standpoint I'm like there's a lot of genres out there. Then I'm like I'm not a big pop punk fan mainly because they use the word punk and I don't think there's anything punk about it I think it's pop. But guess what? Even though from a musical point musical history its influence I there's a lot of criticisms I got off to it yet the people who loved it. They found something in those were about frustration with their parents and they're complaining about their live. In the suburbs with their mom going to a good school like the things they complained about and whined about at times. It resonated with certain people maybe maybe with young teenage boys at that time like certain music resonates at a certain time. Now later on, you may look back on it and you may not be able to completely relate to the words, but you may be able to relate to the feeling and a different way and I think we can all relate to that feeling of. Love of I crush of the break up. Of a youthfulness joy of a youthful youthfulness view of life. And I think that that that there is something to it that has value is just has to be measured differently but I think you cannot ignore that much of the hate a lot of times comes from male male critics, MEL writers, and we're just note here's a woman who wrote a book on it. She's a female right. A Male I don't think mel will write the same kind of. Because they're going to have different different approach to it. Okay. A different approach. Than and obviously you know one's sexuality would greatly influence if you're if you're a homosexual. Homosexual teenage boy finding these other boys attractive than you. Then obviously, you're going to have a different probably. Per Perspective on this but from my perspective. Alright not being a homosexual clearly viewed the guys almost like kind of a threat and away and made me at times a little jealous and envious I still believe I hope I did. I think most of the time I was still able to appreciate the song and songs by them. I think I think. I think I was able to do. So I think even though it may not have been my favorite genre I remember early nineteen, Ninety or early nineteen, ninety. I was I get to my first duty station off at air, force base in Omaha Nebraska and pay per view was well, it was relatively new for me the whole pay per view system because you know I grew up here in the middle of nowhere Texas. So you know getting cable, we were probably three years behind but but the pay per view system I, remember I think one of the first pay per views I purchased was a pay per view of a live concert by new kids on the block. All right. So I think that I I did not because I'm a music fan. Music fandom. Hopefully over. was able to overcome the insecurities of feeling like man girls like them. That's not right. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe you will agree maybe we'll disagree I've got to do something that's very unprofessional for professional podcast I gotta walk away from the microphone. Say with. ALL RIGHT AFTER GRANDMA IPAD I tried to do it on the. I could probably try this on the laptop where I record everything but I see here. I was going to try to find the name of this book. Give me one second national public radio. Give me one second. I'm going to pull up the name of this book because I want you to be able to have it. In case you're interested. Let's go to shows and podcasts. Let's go to where's all things considered all things considered. Let. That's Wednesday. Let's go to. Hang on. Let's go here. Let's go is to July the twenty eighth. All right. Here we go. Maybe we can find it. Here we go. All right I new book traces, the history of boy bands pop phenomenon larger than life. And here we go the name of the book larger than life a history of boy bands from N.. N. K.. O. T. B. TO B. T. S. alright new kids on the block to be t S. All right. So the name of the book larger than life a history of boy. From new kids on the block to be not S. She says a boy bands don't get the same respect, other musical acts especially their rock peers. Well. Again, I, think there's a reason why and I think a lot of it has to do. With the male ego, that's my theory you can disagree with me. And I think and I am not saying I disagree with her I think that you do have to have a different way of of. Judging. Boy Bands. You've got to have a different value that you're looking at and I think that is fair to say. All right. I'll stop right there. Thank you for listening to this episode of the currently on Podcast we appreciate you tuning in please share this podcast with anyone and everyone please subscribe however wherever you're listening. If you want to know what's currently on, you want to keep up with what's happening in the world of music books. Television you name it we talk about it. Subscribe share this with every wind, we appreciate it and. Well as I say at the end of every broadcast, go enjoy life even if that means turning on some boy bands recapture that feeling of youth recapture that feeling of the first crush or recapture the heartbreak of the first break-up go enjoy life because it's short. Thanks for listening.