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Local Hour: Spelling Bee

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Local Hour: Spelling Bee

"The Dan Le Batard Woodstock. Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes, Capital, One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC basketball? NBA finals. I watched this entire game start to finish. Yeah, I'm in on this finals. I'm super excited, as you know, I made my prediction on the air and I was the only one really to give my prediction on the air this week regarding what I think is going to happen in the NBA finals, and it is not basketball based. At least it wasn't. It was just all narrative based because I think this warriors thing is going to end ugly. At least Kevin Durant chapter one game into it. You're starting to see that plan coming coming together. However, I'm watching these games and I did give you one bit of basketball analysis. I said, the raptors are definitely gonna win this if Kevin Durant doesn't play. And I think you're watching right this you met the series or that game last night, the series, the series because Kevin Durant has the height in the skill set to at least shoot over some of these really long defenders on Toronto. They need him. I understand they're one that they had seventy three wins. But he has a particular set of skills. That is truly needed when you going up against the likes of PASCAL Siaka and Kawai Leonard. I can't believe I said Siachen I but what a game. Good last night. Steph curry, you know what mix in a two pointer, also I have some stats for that's a take mixing the two pointer. Yes. Steph was fun. Cephas good was good from three. But here's a stat for you. That's actually pretty surprising. We were all talking about. Oh, you put Kawai you put Kawai on Steph curry, and then we realized maybe not the best use of Kurai, especially considering as much as Steph curry runs around. But we didn't take into consideration was how good of a defender van fleet has been on Steph curry Steph curry had two points on twenty nine possessions with Katie V as his defender, according to second spectrum. So in the two games the to have matched up this season. When b is guarding Steph curry, does anybody call him cave. His name's Fred. So I don't think so. All right, at V sorry, I made him keep in fleet. He's van Horn's that's what I was doing so FEB because I always want to call him and flee. Eat invalid just weird should be f VF. FEB. So in the two games this season that the two have matched up Steph curry Leah's six points on sixty eight possessions that vanfleet is defending him. So vanfleet it's been a very effective defender of Steph curry, I mean, so you're saying if the warriors come back and start take take back this series that could be an adjustment. They make maybe start vanfleet then then. No. I think I think what I think the raptors are playing this perfectly so far. And if you watch the, the raptors this postseason, sometimes they do the thing, where quite Leonard gets doubled, and I trust Leonard to make the smart place, so much more. I'd rather see have quite Leonard with the ball in his hands against two defenders than almost anybody else one on one he's just going to make the smart plays, and you'll get lulled into AAC wise. Not having that spectacular of the game. And then in the fourth quarter, it's quite time and you'll get a shot regardless. I thought Kawai was brilliant yesterday making the smart plays and Siachen stepped up. And the rest of the team stuff Arkansas Kyle Lowry was good going to the basket. I think unless Kevin Durant comes back. I think this could has potential to be pistons Lakers thing I really do. And that's just not a knee-jerk because, you know, I said going into it, I like the raptors and this could end ugly for the warriors. There are true basketball reasons as to why I favor, the Toronto Raptors. And we saw that last night. Speaking of basketball reasons are Drake, and Draymond gonna throw hands at some point in the series. That'd be awesome. Dream on just horrible for Drake. You dream on, like a foot taller than him really outweighs by, like fifty or sixty pounds. You wouldn't wanna see that I think that'd be fine. It would end very quickly. Right. If if dreams that frustrated after game one there's still plenty of time in the loss game one on the road in the NBA finals, it, it can happen. It doesn't happen to the worst because they're never really on the road for game, one of the NBA finals, but it can happen. And if you're already jawing at Drake can't let the rapper get in your head. You can't I imagine. It's only gonna get more fun for us talking about it. More fun for us as fans watching it. I know Drake annoys people, but I really dig this Drake thing it super Billy dream on an observation from yesterday's game. He's, he's starting to lose a hair little bit. Yeah. They hairlines atas. Yeah. Yeah, I hadn't noticed too last night for whatever reason, but it's starting to go also, if you're the warriors, and you're gonna lose, Kevin Durant. Right. Why? Why don't play them who cares? He's going to be on another team next year. How much is going to change between game two and game three? Oh he's not going to be cleared for game two but he'll be ready for game three just shoot them up with whatever you're gonna shoot them up with for game three and game too. I let them go out there and play. You think this is all the wars? I imagine that he's saying he's not ready as run them into the ground, I was going to be on another team next year. Who cares that you'd run into a situation because that's what UK. You're going to in motion with Colombian. Yeah. That's what the Spurs were doing with. Kawhi last year. They were kind of, like, hey, we can she up some stuff and quite like, no, I'm just I'm, I'm not healthy, my hot take. I wish I said this before game one I don't think Kevin Durant playing another game for the Golden State Warriors judges. Is that a good? Nope. That's not good. Steve Kerr, I say you know what we want Kevin Durant to play. It doesn't feel like playing today. So he's not gonna play. It's not on us. It's on him. It might've walk might devolve into that, especially with would dream on dream on could could potentially say anything here in do anything. How do you let Drake already in your head and give people that moment, I know it was just all in good nature joining, but you already gave insight that he's bothering you. I mean, Klay calling him aubrey's just he's clearly annoying Klay. Also wrote, why do you have so many tabs open on your computer, like I normally have a lot, but you must have at least twenty seven tabs open show sheet material, but is that just like today or do you carry over from day to day curious over there today, we go through your tabs this used to be thing. I remember what's. Yes, I love you guys. It's computer, which basically then just became the polls, because the polls kind of recap the show. All right. So tab number one is ROY g mail, and he had an Email from tanto but through is the G drive surprisingly, the computer's moving little soap because of said tad, let's sprinkle these in with every other trust the heat narrative, like the way he fan looks at this finals is CRM what we want bam to become bam. I it's just hard for me to ride on a shot. He's trying to develop a shot. I know it's such a weird comp because bam conventionally plays the five and CRM is more of a of a wing type, but I is, is a modern day five you want him to be that swing guy a little bit. Not not a swing guy. But a big man that can shoot a little bit extend the floor is this. I mean, now he's not the same thing you did compared their Jones junior to de'andre Jordan. So I'm just struggling to I just don't want this. To be another one of those because I was right on one and. For its apps. Three and four regarding birthdays. The first one leads to the next page, which is may birthday. We have the years right this time and that was an updated. All right. Well, every year someone gets your older. So it's from last night. It's understandable. Yes. This, this yokum development though, that happened fast. Yeah. That he, he took such a giant leap now. You can't count on them to go. Was it fifteen seventeen from the field? He did bury those wide open threes at the warriors were letting him take which was absolutely huge for the rest of the game. But the rest of the shots came inside and a lot of it was a result of qui- being doubled and making the smart play, by the way, Anthony Chang, agrees with me, who has the pages the Google calendar. Who, who do we got today? Let's go through the calendar day at eleven thirty Tim Legler, and the noon. We in with stammering Gundy, cools all the tins are on today. What's on? Tab six just go go. Go crazy. Six is our bumper sheet, which is. Log the shows you gotta be carrots merging word. And that's super exciting though. The next tab is treat deck all the tweets. Yeah. This is more boring. I thought it would be hanging on your idea trying to I'm trying to. Okay. So you just stole your take from Anthony Chang, and you I asked, I didn't come in here saying this is what I asked the question you ask the question nine hours after Anthony Chang responded to the question on Twitter. It's not like I can say any Chang agrees with you. When you clearly lifted this we're doing. We're writing. We see things on Twitter. They're interesting. We're talking on the Senate is your own. The originator you said agrees with all the originators some guy who tweeted at Chang, and change us said, yes. Nine hours ago. But what I'm not this is nothing. I he's not agreeing with you. You're agreeing with him. I saw the question and I thought to myself, wow. That's I agree time sample. Billy, can you help me out here? I mean I didn't come in here and say bam is we want like Siachen is what we did say that back. I literally asked the question I know you asked a question that Anthony Chang answered nine hours ago, and then you said Anthony Chang agrees with that's really where this gets dicey as you saying Anthony Chang agrees with me because I thought that Anthony Chang reached out to you and said, I agree with you or sent you a message. But you just went to his Twitter right repeating something that he himself said nine hours ago. And he said, yes, the question was if you're heat fans, you ask the question No, then he doesn't even agreeing with you, because you're just asking a question is he agreeing with you just asking a question where are you coming out and saying that you think bam by? The next item. No, I was just starting to call. I was seeing, apparently you said, no, you're in sorting the conversation because the person who started the conversation, nine hours ago with Zach ads act. Buck buckle really going to do this. Yesterday. You said you will you read something. It was just a berry Jackson tweet about the minor league thing. It wasn't buried. Jackson was fish stripes. I give credit though, Tiffany. I mean, we're just we're we all take things from Twitter and then say them on the air, but I don't say berry Jackson agrees with me. When I steal from his column. I'm just all right. Going nowhere quickly, listen. Guys, let's talk about the important stuff that's going on in the NBA finals, does Nick nurse. Have those hats made like that's the mall like he buys a Nike hat. And then he goes to the mall, and he has the two ends put on the hat, when it's more like is he selling them? Sorry. When it's a Nike hat, you make your brain obviously makes elite that own Nike made this for him. But why would Nike make that for him? And who would buy that, like this into a contract with Nike? Why would Nike sign a coach to contract? I don't Nick nurse. Jay sign college coaches mic nurse. Do you think is signed to a Nike contract? It would give him a logo. It would be a surprise. Also, come on, whoever made that logo really male. It's just the letter n twice. And it's like times new Roman. It's like very lazy, looking lower like an aerial black. Could I buy that if I wanted to I'm going to look for it, right? And I would like to rock that nurse. Make money off of it. If you do, that's real quick. I will give money for the Nick nurse hat, I want the Nick nurse hat and the P Carol shoes. I've always thought that they should just like market. The shoes at Carol words as the sidelines as the air, Pete Carroll's, ROY next tab. The next tab is a Twitter. Analytics stats on my your own tweets, chicken ally. Really checked out. Opus. How you doing what's, what's it looking? Like it's looking pretty good. I've gained seven hundred ninety three followers in how long and one month so far there may. Yeah. Which is weird sorry, which is weird because Twitter when our day. Also, like little contentious your Twitter account more so recently that many uncomfortable you can buy the nurse hats on Oetzi, but it's not even the same end this logos almost cooler than his actual ago. It looks like a tea or something see that it was like a reflective. And and but it's hard to tell what it is. This show is going to get away from that one. Let's find stab. So you guys see LeBron and Wade's kid or I didn't come on. I just read this. Not reporting this I just like you're over there. Over all something on Twitter now, bringing it, I was just only taking exception to the fact that you said Anthony Chang agrees with you. And when that's not the order of how things happen. Well, no, I brought up the question you, you started attacking my that, that's just dump premise. And then I just said, you know, if you're going to attack me, I'm just gonna let you know that I'm sorry for attacking you. How do you mean? Do you mean I haven't I have an answer on Nick nurse? Hats. Okay. All right. So this is according to me, not Josh Lewin. Berg, whose verified who asked the question. Why am reporting this exclusively? Twenty no nineteen days after Josh lemberg Nick nurse was asked about his n hat. He said he was wearing a Travis Mathews had earlier this year. The logo looked like his initial so Nike sent him his own limited edition cap. There's four of them out there. It's all black. I can wear it with anything and it fits real good who has the other three. Well, he must have all he must have all four. My guess is on retail very soon for because if they win the championship one hundred percent that's going to be there is made next tab, next tab is ESPN radio audio logger, next tab, the extent of is I of the b four talking about Rambo yesterday, and how violent it was. I was trying to look at the Ken, I can I can give you a bit of feedback was that you can probably close at tab today. I didn't get the. But you never know when you're gonna want IMDB again because now he could just go to that one and then type in something also. Oh. Follow up update. Second update the Travis Mathews hat, is that logo that we saw at sea. So it's a t an 'em so Nick nurse Saad. And he thought that it looked like an end in an end. And that's why he was wearing it. And then Nike saw him wearing it and they made him four of the laziest design hats I've ever seen. I, I have a recent development in my life. I just started liking coffee. Thirty three and a half years. But I finally acquired the taste, and you guys can ease up on the red bull as I have to right there. I go off and now without a can of red bull because I now I'm getting my caffeine fix with coffee. However byproduct of coffee pooping pooping. I did not know this and I voted I usually now my intestines have become dependent on the morning coffee because I've gone morning coffee here every day this week. And it's almost as if like when I do my morning. Phut which is also slash catching up on the news, the intestine. The you gotta at least say it into the Mike, if you're going to just go back around and combined words, okay, you got to do that. I should probably do it on the mites almost as if my stomach is saying, no, we're not gonna let you have the morning, PU. Lil without the coffee and now running into a situation where I've real, unless I have something going on with my stomach. Rarely do I ever have to poop, MU poop at work per se? So, but where do you work port? I prefer not to, but where do you when you do it the hotel room? That's what I did the last time you on how bad, but usually it's the, the bigger stall downstairs. Also. We have a really lovely lady that cleans all the bathrooms and she is very cavalier about just walking into the men's room often wall impeding at a urinal, and it's just very unsettling for because this happened to you. Yeah. She's very cool about it. She usually leaves the door open winches in which one is with the red hair, the red short hair. Oh, she's so nice. You know, she was nominated for house cleaning lady of the year a couple of weeks ago. She didn't win, but she went to the banquet, she didn't win. I was rooting for she's next year. You know, it comes with a five hundred dollar bonus but she didn't win. We should start collecting to give her the five hundred dollars. I don't know. She just give her the money in the jar. There's like four dollars left to that those tips to, like delivery, people with a helpful note earlier, maybe if we can establish. Like a knock on the door before you door just say something just tell her. Let's come up with a secret knock. I'm sure she'd be down. She's very nice. She's teaching Alison. Spanish have her say, Hello, once she's about to enter a bathroom as I'm standing there, because it's, it's just jarring midstream. She, she is while you would look at her, and you'd say this is cleaning lady, I wouldn't just dismiss her like that. She used to teach at the university in Cuba. She used to teach medicine but of a straw man identities. Miss that and look at her, and this saying, I'm just saying, you know, if you think I'm not saying you I'm just saying, you know, you could walk buying go. This is a cleaning lady, but she was very educated in cubing than came over here. And I always thought I always just assumed she was very educated and Anthony Cheung agrees with me, stugotz here. We all love a night out, whether it seeing our favorite band in person or being there in the ground that you're on our favorite team with vivid seats. You can attend the concert show or sporting event of your choice at a great prize vivid seats is the top source for tickets for all the live event. 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I'll learn until we get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's this button? Do what's this button, do what's this button, do what's this? Believe that Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Dan Le Batard Stu just because you have a cough button, which works, by the way doesn't mean you have like the liberty that just cough as loud as you possibly can. Because there are other Mike said, Orrin hitting a cough button at the same time. So if you need to call for clear, your voice, just try to do it a little more discreetly. Okay. Gotcha. Spill gots. I thought when you hit this cough button, it, meet your microphone. That's why does. But you're so loud, in vile that other microphones are Joe loud cough that all the microphones, pick it up. And this is only I don't know the fortieth time we've mentioned it to you sorry about that data. This is Dr show with stugatz on the we got spelling bee takes. What are you guys watching after the NBA finals because it was still going on? I did not watch it. I saw there was eight winners. Are we going to do the guy? Congratulations by ROY on winning the spelling bee yesterday. Thank you. What ROY was one of the everybody that one? Right. What's the next tab? What do you have a tab open a brook shields? No-one birthday. Nice to ask. Next app is the ESPN dot com NHL schedule so I can get the game for Saturday. Are we do the thing that I think a lot of thirty plus year old dudes are doing, which is keep going with the spelling? Bee don't have eight winters back when I was growing up. This would never happen. I mean if you have eight winners do you have a winter? That's something all thirty year olds are talking. I mean maybe not the forty year olds. Yeah. This isn't on when you guys saw this on your Twitter timeline. Or if you were watching live. This is just not true was pretty late. I mean why don't they just come back tomorrow like ice wished over to the SPN after the game was on? And I saw the spelling bee was on. And then I went to ESPN two and I don't remember it was on there. And then I went on to ATV, and they were just replaying something. And I couldn't get any like post game stuff like right after the game. So then I just have there ever been co-winners. I think there have been but not eight. I think. I think there've been co-winners. It's obviously not a budget issue because of hotel rooms because they're giving every, all eight winners fifty K, right? The they're not splitting began. They're not splitting the two thousand dollars. You a spelling bee, you win a trophy and fifty thousand dollars if they make it some sort of scarlet has to be it can't just be that. I could buy babe leads or whatever if you're buying with Seoul standing winner next year. I say no at the fifty thousand dollars because now I know you have the budget four hundred you've been holding out on us kids the entire time. I want the whole thing. And if you're if you're under eighteen years old, isn't that money, just go to the parents? I don't think there's like a whole conspiracy were spelling bee champions, parents, or if it's a scholarship, and I guess it's a, you know, putting a trust of some sort and you can't touch it until a certain age Anthony Chang, agrees with me. Dollars for the spelling bee champion. Yeah. Wow. Wow. How about this? What is the guy do that reads the words like what is his job the rest of the year? I'm sure they say it because it's always the same guy every year travels around and does other scripts do because I remember being surprised at scripts isn't just exclusively in the spelling bee business. I think that they have a Dev ever supplied. Diversified portfolio in terms of stuff that they do. But here's what I wanna do in sports and sports media. We point the finger and blame eight winners, most winters we've ever seen certainly script. Got to do a better word. The next day is the hall for one day. This is either a performance enhancing controversy. Hit harder words, pick, hoarder words is exactly what I'm saying. How do you have a year in which they're eight winners, or maybe after a certain round, they can't ask it in a sentence or they had second lifelines? We're going to start eliminating the ability to ask country origin or they start having a homerun derby or something. Oh, how about this? You know how you do like in. You know, like I don't wanna say drinking games, because it's for children, but you you exclude the alcohol but you do the thing we have to run in a circle with your head on the bat, and yet this and then spell the word. Yeah, we have to solve the spelling bee clearly because there's an issue, there have to be safe solutions to this other than having eight winners. It's ridiculous. I'll when they asked for Carlson eight people when the spelling bee yesterday, did you know, you knew that how should we solve this? You can't have eight winners. What do you what do we do? What? What? Oh, okay. So we should have a spelling bee to determine the winner of this felling does anyone know what else scripts does. Or they just exclusively in a spelling bee business have a reputation, how sustainable is that and other solution that could use in late rounds? If you ask when they ask for country of origin, you name three countries. So it's like you gotta guess which one of the three that it is. We're still helping them. But we're making it a little tough. Yeah, I'm with you. What I'm with them Abbott say. Oh, it's either right? Like you say asked me country. What kind of country of origin ROY next tab, it is English? Was that the only country that you could you couldn't come up with English is in a country. England moving onto tabs mex- tab. The next ESPN dot com in symbol on opponent Tonio contests in new manage, oh, you know where, you know, the name from right, ROY Josie. That's right. Roy's a blue close down. So I have an aside to this whole spelling bee thing, it's kind of related, maybe not really. I'm really upset at all my math. Teachers who took away my calculators during tests in high school because the assumption was, you know in real life. You won't have this bull bull. I can't I don't know. I don't need to know bleep about math as an adult. I think that depends on what your profession. Now, you don't really need to know math, but right? Which is what I was doing people need to know which is what I was telling my teachers. Yeah. But I think that you need to teach kids variety of things, so they can branch out and try different things, which he never teach a kid math, and you wouldn't have an architect needs to be a class on just how to Google things. That is a problem today. We catch me, like kids. Don't actually retain. Any information they just know how to Google things. So like when you're doing, and projects, also like project used to be hard, you have to you have to go to the library, and looked through encyclopedias, and you have to do like a card catalogue. And now as a whole pain. Now it's just you go on Google and you just find things, and then you site, your source whatever, but kids really are now retaining things like they just know how to Google answers, we can agree the periodic table, though. Get that out of here. What do you mean? On that thing, what I actually do who's you. I mean, I know scientists involves said, look and then you've got something you pointed at something. There should be and around junior year. I kind of know what I'm not going to do. All right. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be a chemist I've turned age and we just not do this on my notepad, and I want to know a list of everything that you guys feel like you'd never needed to learn. Hold up mex- tab is this one's a real doozy? What is this tab? This is the last tab, actually slams actually owns television station. I told you I told you. Scripts had other businesses and they own media company. It look their media company. They own all these local television stations. How about that? Be and who's that guy? What guy reads? Yeah. Who is he? I'm not sure anyways, the math is not like math use math all the time. So how with fractions and stuff like how I'm three quarters of the way here. I'm looking at a map. I'm no I'm a quarter away there. So I have three quarters like you use it more than you realize let me ask you a question grammar. I'm with grammar. You need obviously, like words and stuff, like you know, I have grammar. I mean so grammar's important. All right. So right now, I have listed on my list of things that Mike and Chris never needed to learn Mike has math and Chris's science is that too broad, a brush is. There's some science you hated. It wasn't just signed. No, it was more specific. It was more narrow jazz, the periodic chemistry. I don't want to just go broad scope math. I I'm really just upset at the teachers took away my calculators during tests because there isn't a situation in most people have something at their disposal to help you shouldn't have to show your work. If you have the answer you have the end so we'll say math above third degree. Where they just wanna see they didn't really they're not looking at all of your workout like you're making. Sure, you have every single part of the work, right? They just want to know that you weren't cheating math. Teachers got one over on us. Big time. What is that as we were big? I went over on us. They're like taking away or calculators. It was bull. Got you back because you told me not to plagiarize my, my book reports, but I did. And I even went to turn it in dot com. And you couldn't tell because I changed so many words and also when you had a word limit, and say it was like four pages, it's as always becoming it is in your face. I chain I added to Mike's list ethics and you say write a full page essay on doublespace in, I don't care what you say. Okay, ROY space. All right. No, I need to learn everything. All right, good. Dare you to tell the difference between times, new Roman twelve and times new Roman thirteen Sumi pay the teachers. I mean you hold wait. Hold on a second. You hold it next to someone that did twelve and you could tell that one is bigger than the other. When when you when you have so many papers when you have so many papers it all starts looking like a jumbled mess. There's no way. So you plagiarized, and you would break simple rules. And I got one I got him over on them all the time. Yeah, but they could never tell because I was so amazing. And being able to read something on the internet and completely. Changing it turn it in dot com. Never got me that was one of the great websites and also rate, my professor dot com. That's still around. Did you use? Did you rate my professor for decades? Rate, never rated did you write that never? I never did. I never did I I'm not a yelp. You know what I rely on yelp and open table and, and rate, my professor, and I never put my own weight when it came to that check reviews for everything, but I'd never leave review. Let me rephrase that I don't like yelp reviewers. You leave reviews. No. And I never used yelp, because I've seen things where I've seen like yelp. Where was it? It's on a TV show or something. I saw people that was like, I am a tow. You know where it was, it was this show on Netflix. That was about. Like it was in Australia. And it was called like instant hotel. And it was a bunch of people that owned like Airbnb. He's and they would go, and they'd stay at each other's Airbnb, and then, they'd like rank and rate it. And the person that had the highest rating at the end won a trip to America. Right. But it was horrible because the people were just awful people that were just sabotaging each other left and right. Like they were super snobby and they were giving terrible reviews just so that they would win the trip. And what happened was is the longer that it went. Because they space it out over span of like two or three weeks or whatever the longer that it went the more they were sabotaging. So really, it was just like whoever's house was, I was going to win because everybody was still nice to each other. They didn't hate each other yet, because they all stayed in the same house at the same time, except the person who's house. It was and on that, that's where it was, like, I am a gold star yelp review or I have a model by whatever. The rating system is I have so many people come to my yelp to see what I think about this, and that it's like shut up. Please you just eat at a restaurant like everybody else. Get a life ROY next tab, the ESPN dot com NBA schedule page for the score last night, and the next game on Sunday edge want Howard this yelp. Pay reviewers at any point like if you reach a certain level, do they do? They pay reviewers or no. I don't know what was that about Juwan? Yeah. Sorry. I just I've just because I'm thinking about yelp, and it's like why would you dedicate so much of your time to reviewing L? I have such a high rating on your great. Do you monetize that in any way like what's the point of doing this? It seems like your waist. Eating your time, max Juwan tab, the national association of black journalists, which reminds me out the pay for my in a B J registration or the convention in, I believe October, are you going? Yeah. Where is it? It's now here really wear. Yeah. It's a it's an, the Turnberry can I go or? No. I mean if you want to sign up for 'em. I can go, you got pay for it. How much is it the acronym stands for the national association of black journalists? Yeah. Yeah. But he can go. Why not? You know, you can pay for intent, the name the name would suggest he's probably ineligible. What, but I would hope that it's more inclusive of that. I was just like a more data term a weekend thing. Can you go on a weekend? I think it's during the week. Oh, so you can take time off from work. When you is this, how we're finding out when is it? So I go can anyone just joined the national association of black? Journalists is a good question. You're the member. Can you tell me? Invited or. Let me ask you a question on what grounds would billion? I not be able to join the national association of by journalists. I dunno. I guess if you were racist, which guys, not maybe, maybe that would be a, so you don't sound zero reason as to why we shouldn't be included. You know, I don't know maybe maybe not journalists before we get to Chris. Well are we? That's more, I feel like I'm. Yeah. Qualified to participate there just because of the Jamaica, says qualified atom. I think there's a difference between being in the media and being a journalist right? Roy, you're not a journalist, you're a member of the media. Yeah. So how much do you have to pay? If you look at Royce Twitter, he's on Twitter. He likes to he goes, the games, he says, he's reporting he, he's on the mama beat ROY Moore close to columnists than journalists like ROY award opinion, based, sometimes like oddly, just tell you the score of something. Yeah. When he's at a game, right? Even like at home. He'll just tweet out, like which sometimes I think that he's actually not covering the game. Maybe lying to people that he's governor in the game by just giving a score up date because I'm like that's what I would do. If I wasn't actually covering the game. Allies portion Bushell live video of the coach. So what I would do is I would just film, a coach's press conference what I just get generic terms and just have a little a little cachet to make people believe in them, actually there, if I live such a busy life, right? Right. And wanted to just get one over like I did on my professors, did you guys see that? We'll get to the Jawhar thing and second, did you guys see that like Uber is going to start kicking people off the app if their ratings too low, I wish was here because she has a bad Uber rating. And if it goes with me, she probably wouldn't wanna talk about it. No, it thinks she's mentioned it before she claims that it's not her fault that it's someone else's fault. I don't remember exactly the thing. Well, my Uber rating is kind of disappointing because of large what is it? Last. I checked it was like four point. Hang on. It can check it eight. You don't know that, that's not a large group. No, no. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You on Uber. Excels, like I usually use lift. I feel like whatever. Number we get is going to be like, upped by like point to him. I'm checking my anyway. If it's going to it's going to vary from town to town, depending on, I guess what the average is there. But if it's below like four point four you're done with him. I do I find out my rating. How do they stop you from just starting? Oh, guys Email. I'm four point six oh, you're still good enough to, to to go on what did you get booted for? Well, it depends on city to city, and I think after like, what, what is your? What would you say is like the, the line for good? If I'm above this. It's good. Four point eight five four point eight nine five point. Oh, wow. Roy. You said you've often said that you, you get into a number you like you're not talking at all, like if they talked to you, you'll engage them, but you're not. Exactly. Maybe that's what we're drivers like, but sometimes you get in there. Chatty, cathy? Yeah. I'm a five also. Geez. See this is very. Have you guys Uber more than like twenty times? Yeah. I, I usually what I do is like I kind of get a feel for the ride, and I'll, you know, if I have a conversation, I'm more interested in them than I myself. Find out where they're from what they're doing how many rides as a busy today and then you kind of always have to leave on a good note. You know. So you wanna make sure that you have like that last bonding moment. Right. Before you get reviewed you have the last good bond. You know you throw in you, you know, you can drop me off right here. You don't have to. Like for you. I would like don't take tips from these guys. Eight four six. What's what's a little disappointing is I provide ratings tubers specifically as to why if I give a newborn driver about rating, which is rare. But if there are crazy driver or if they got lost they're not getting five stars for me. Oh, three. Free. I don't rate them at all. Actually, I never. Back but they're gonna tip but there's some people that were just absolutely reckless now man out fives like nothing. You gotta be five gogo squeeze at food and wine festival. But they get the feedback. And I make sure to put a detailed notice to exactly why the person's getting a less than five star review. I wish I could get some feedback. So I can know what to work on other than what I assume is just what I wonder then though, what if you happen to get into the same Mujber guys or gals car like months down the road. Do they have like a Canadian see your review and your they resent you're going to get back in? And they're gonna be oh, you said, I was too chatty. I think they did drive to any people to like remember particular thing, if like Mike's name pops up. And that's picking up. Maybe they see like, oh this guy you've had him before I don't know how their app works. I don't think I don't think I'd remember someone. Yeah. But like, oh, repeat writer curious Anthony. Chang agrees with me donlevatar. You really are of the impression that all of south Florida and. Good parts of America are huddled around their transistor radio. Just to hear your opinion on things, aren't you? Yes, in Europe to spill gots, don't listen to anything. Stu got says these are show with the stugotz on the tickets. Want howard? How about you don't cry. What? Very it's very emotional for him. He's going back to his program. He's known as a member of the fab five. I mean he's coming from the Heat's coaching. It's not like he was working as a server at Denny's. And now he's all of a sudden this has this miraculously job. He's, he's an NBA assistant coach. And now he's a coaching college things weird to me. Like, why didn't they turn on each other? Because they didn't all except money. So the reason they took down the banners is because some of them took money, right? Wasn't there beef though? Scott's with C web, and Jalen rose. There was beef. I don't remember what the beef was about. But there was definitely beef with Jalen and Chris Webber, which were the two most prominent members of the fab was Chris, wherever the one that took money there were, I think only one of the five was accepting things, suppose there. And then there were only one, I mean, see web, only one of the five got caught you think you on was taking any money. I believe they gun to my head. I believe they all took money. Yeah. Why would it be different then than it is? Now you desire, that I found out this week, I had no idea about, rob. Pelinka was a member of the fab five teams. Yeah. It was Laker I think he was there when the fat five got there. He was a sophomore, but Pelinka was a guy like like a guard off the bench shooting. Guard off the bench. Was he really? Or did you say he was a good point there are there photos you think if you put that on the ball, by the way? Okay was point an actual member of the fat five or does he just say he was if you looks like Rob Lowe now go back to his Michigan plane days. Spitting, image, spitting image, Anthony Chang, agrees with me, two got you have anything at school that you think that you didn't need to learn. Because right now we have the best. Yeah. So we have on the list crystals and things that he needed through earn science Pacific chemistry. And Mike didn't think that he needed to learn math above the third grade level and also proved to us that he didn't take any ethics classes whatsoever. I'm gonna put you down for that one too. Okay. Thank you. I think it's a true s- skill to be able to plagiarize and have like zero plagiarism show up in turn. It in dot com. It's a it's a true life skill that you'll need. But at certain points, you're putting in so much effort to cheat that, if you just did it the right way. No, no. It's not. It's way easier doing. If you're working, then already nonsense off. What are you talking? You realize how much work you're putting into like. I know exactly how much work, I'm putting into it when they give me three months to do a book report, and I do it the day before. I know I'm putting in a day's work as opposed to take him. You know, three months to do it. And guess it got a passing grade was a c plus or it'd be minus. But it was all right. Yeah. But if you read the book, maybe you'd get something out of it free to pavilion. Don't you don't agree with the with the educational system, like it's, it's a sham right? Like why do I need to learn earth? Science that seriously like my kid right now. Stressing over her earth science final for what, what is she going to apply any of that to anything? She do later in life, you're going to be a botanist. What does she she? I know my kids, she's not going to be trying to cover all the bases on what they she potentially might be. You know, give every kid a little bit of everything I can tell I could tell the teachers right now I could tell everyone who runs my school right now. Neither of my kids are going to be scientists. Okay. Tell them right now they're going to be with that. Thank you. Now, you can't agree with that. What are they going to be? No. I know. I, I will bet you, fifty dollars neither of all right. So your daughter's we'll we'll do this then as a hypothetical. We won't even see your I think a good question is, what is the best case scenario profession wise for anyone emerging from understood guts, tootling, a slip and fall settlement? Oh, yeah. Of Arkansas, one of those right now. You're so the guy that gets caught on the camera inside the store that you didn't realize it was there that, like goes into a grocery store, and like opens up like laundry detergent, spills, it on the floor and that you like fall five feet away from me because you don't want wanna get thirty on it. I haven't I thought about it. I am. I have to remind myself constantly when I got your weekend observations, that you graduated with an English degree. Yep. If you need it, exactly my point in English native. Yep. Then, and then or it's apostrophe or I or just it's IT s the possessive form just they are there in there. You got a degree a higher learning degree without ever getting those basic fundamentals of the English language down. Yup. And here I am. It's, it's how he would spell things if he was going for the joke like if it is he is one of the cows in the chicken commercials. Strictly Chick-fil-A eat more chicken. Yeah. The fine. What do you mean? It's a fine. Call the chicken. What did you just call it? Because the cows who spell in a chicken commercial. You think people didn't understand what I was talking about. I had to explain it to the audience because I clearly no one understands incident. Being an English major other links. So there between the cows spelling and a chicken commercials. Yes or no? Maybe some in the studio got it. But once I said, it, you're, like, okay now I know what he's talking about. Right. I help some people, I know I hope Chris. Chang agrees with me. Dan, we're trying to fix the spelling bee today if you want, we can say this for national down with with eight champions, your. It's not soccer. There's not eight champions in the scripts national spelling bee when you have eight champions, you have none. That is exactly right. We're trying to get to a point, Dan, where it's like the baseball hall of fame where there's no winners of the spelling bee. It was a good year. Yeah. Put it on the poll. If you have eight champions. Do you have none? That's not that I mean, look, that's not gonna come back one hundred percent but it has to, you cannot have eight champions at something. How can you have eight champions at something? I'm guessing that Paul will come back close to a hundred percent L way. We're ninety six now. That really go back because it's kids, it's going to be like, seventy twenty. What are we teaching the kids amid seriously? I don't know. We're teaching them that scripts has actually been sitting on four hundred thousand dollars of prize money as opposed to just the fifty K that we're going to dish out to one kid. So next year we're up in the anti, you think the spelling bee is very proper profitable for, for script. Yes. Because there that's the one thing that, you know, scripts from. However, ROY did the research and scripts, it's sitting on an entire media empire. They have scores of local television stations. So this, this might be a tax write off, folks. We're gonna blow the doors off of this whole scripts thing. I want to hear the solutions. We have so far, Dan. I mean, the spelling being that's an interesting project. We just want a single winner. I mean looking for you. We're not looking to kill this. We, we also have I'm blow doors off, then we also have an identity crisis going on because while we were workshop ING ideas actually fix the spelling bee, we found out Golic and wingo had one of the very same ideas. And now we don't know what to do with ourselves. When we thought we'd came up with a good idea and they had already tackled it to with the actual idea was actual bees. A swarm of be released a tiebreaker, like, once you get to the eight finalists, it's because you need a winner. It's a competition. There needs to be one winner that they had to spell with a swarm of bees. Coming to God's idea of putting something difficult to spell that his also scary near the participants when they try to spell down. So that was building. This works. There's an interview process. So this is what you do. And the interview process, you say, you know, we're trying to build this out for TV. It's like the Little League World series and you hide it in there. Yes, we know who's your favorite pop star, what your crush? What's your favorite number favorite, all those things that you ask kids talking points for kids? Right. So you fill out the thing. And in there you sneak in what's the thing that you're most scared of right now, you have to connect the kids to lie detector test, because kids are liars, right? So they're not going to be honest and tell you the scary thing, especially after the first year when they realize what's up. So you put on there. The thing that you're most scared of right and at one point contestant can hit a button, and the person that spelling then is confronted by the thing. They are most scared of while they're trying to spell the word also ideas didn't get, as far as this one is do something to the stage where another contestant pushes a button and it simulates unearth quake, and they have to spell the word thinking that an actual earthquake is going on then Dan, of course, there's the in the dark button where you push. A button. And then they just have to do it in the dark lights, go out. You don't know what's going on, but you have to keep spelling and chances are you're going to scare at least three of the eight kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because scissor scared of the dark, Dan, you spin around on the bat. And then you have to answer the question. That's a good idea to go back to the greatest fear one. Let's go down. Hypothetical that one of the kids says they're most afraid of alligators then you bring in analogous to write than any of the other seven kids, get whatever they want can't come in, and drop an alligator on that kid or to caged. Yeah. But you have the electrical tape. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know something to fend off the allegations. Handler there just in case it happens. But I just wanna be clear, you have sponsored by scripts, the Basel ability that an alligator gets loose on TV and needs to trial. And that's a champion maybe very slim, chance at the alligator eats child. Listen, make it very difficult on the alligator. If you wanna be the scripts, national spelling bee champion, you're going to have to jump through some hoops. Right. It's not just get up there and spell words anymore. All right, this year proved that we cannot trust scripts to run their own competition. So we're going to have to run the competition for them. And if we lose a kid or two to alligator bites so be it. But you know what? In the long run in the long run, it will pay off, you'll have to snatch victory from the jaws of defeats exact literally alligators and crocodiles overrated killers, by the way, what do you mean does that? So you always hear about their jaw strength right right about how it can, you know, chop a human in half. And then they'll go in that death row and, and you're done. But that's only clamping down. You put a little bit of electrical tape around their, their mounds are totally useless. All you gotta do is push on the top of the nose and they can't do bleep. Why did Gruden come out there? The never know when good gonna make it. Type too. Sometimes. Easy to put electoral tape around and alligator's mouth also like if you're walking on the poll at lebatardshow, is it easy to put electrical tape around a alligator, it's definitely not an it's not like you're walking through the Everglades with electrical tape in your pocket, just in case you encounter, an alligator planning miccosukee do it. Have you seen that at a viral video that old nuts? I try to tackle the alligator with the little thing. Yes, he's at a golf course. Right. He looks like Bob barking got white hair and get that is a main like I got I got this, and then it starts like whipping around with its head. Funny, even though you're seeing what is what is totally horrifying gloomy. Makes it assume he does. Now imagine that happening when you have to spell a word. The actual bees, though. That's a bummer that they came up with an idea that good influence. They were asking me about it. Or is it a good idea though? Yeah. Actual bees. Also, where do we what did the term be are there, other competitions at our route to his Bs because why is it a spelling bee? Put it on the poll gear. You know why it's a spelling bee and it spilled B E in logos one honeybee. I imagine. That's a play on the Bahasa has to stand for something. And that's the only thing that we refer to as a b is it not? I don't know the answer that question I don't know a secondary definition for the word beat. We should have an eating be. See, we don't have those things there isn't a dancing, be there isn't an eating be. Is there any other type of b? I'm looking at stumped the entire show. We're all looking at each other saying, why is it a b default was just food? I feel like you went for food job. You'd gave us something. Everyone else would just staring at each other. Which isn't good for radio. Speaking of stumping. Have you guys seen Browns running back coach, stump Mitchell really this is this is this is quite the tie in how you seen him. He looks like Kimba slices grandfather this, this dude got giant look. He looks like the most insanely terrifying man right now. This is stumble Mitchell Browns running back. She's got beautiful hair, and he's got a Santa Claus beard that doesn't match the top lid. I want stump to not be a nickname, so bad that looks like a black Santo accused ROY yesterday. If Santa were mean. You accused ROY of what being a black Santa Cruz you have JoJo in your way to black Santa status, right? Yes. Lanta. Yeah. If you guys only knew how much work went into that choke. Thought I pretty sure Mike did a cart wheel, and you shot a flare to get the signal over to Chris that. Looking at stump Mitchell's. I I'm not always listening. Now. People are just looking at me, like do it on the seconds of dead air. We said yesterday stumps. First name is lavonia. Why?

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The 1A (Mini) Spelling Bee + SpellPundit Online Bee Winner Navneeth Murali

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The 1A (Mini) Spelling Bee + SpellPundit Online Bee Winner Navneeth Murali

"This is one A. I'm Sasha Simon's broadcasting from my home in Maryland now because of covid nineteen so many of the great events that we look forward to in the spring have been canceled. That means no outdoor music festivals. No marathons no graduation ceremonies and no scripts national spelling bee in Washington. Dc scripts announced last month that they're canceling the be. It's the first time that's happened since World War Two. It's pretty disappointing for the more than one million viewers who watched the be on. Espn each year. And it's an even bigger letdown for the spellers who qualified four of those qualifiers joined us for virtual event last week where we got to know them and challenge them to a couple rounds of spelling. It sounded like this garnered a are and I to do our may have the language war definition air have the destination E. R. E. N. use it in a but there are any alternate pronunciation sow l. e. t. e. in a seat e discountenance. All of the spellers we met are finishing up eighth grade so according to scripts eligibility rules this was their last year to participate in the national. Be sinise Salvi joined us from his home in Abilene Texas gory. Gandhi joined from Cleveland Ohio. Lucy Heath was with us from North Augusta South Carolina and victim. God joined us from Bloomfield Hills Michigan. Today we're hearing highlights from our conversation and many spelling B. but you can watch a video of the entire virtual event at the one a dot org now. We started off by asking each of them. How they I got into spelling. Beginning with senator in seventh grade. I learned that my school offered the scripts spelling bee program and I thought it would be something new to try something enjoyable and it was interesting so I just joined it. So what was it? That attracted you to what? What do you like most about spelling? Just like how. Much logic involved. In almost every word has roots involved in it and combining forums in. They're usually predictable in. You do math and science competitions to right not just failing yes well. That's a full plate. Gory what about you? When did you first get into spelling? And what's made you stick with it I actually got into spelling in second grade. Wow that's really yeah. We had like a kind of a mini spelling bee in second grade and I Was In that. And that kind of sparked my interest for it. What do you like most about it? I think It's the same scenario. It's just I like seeing Howard's fit together like I like the logic behind them like knowing the origin of words like where they come from. Is that what you mean? Yeah Lucy how about you? You're in hotseat? How did you get into spelling? I started spelling competitions in four scrape. And what really got me interested is a? I didn't like it. My mom had been in it when she was a kid and it was kind of like. I got to live her. Like see you got to live out your mom's dream yet but what did you didn't like it at first. But what made you start liking? It didn't look at it for this is just kind of work. Dennis all the fun side and how they each letter forms together even though sometimes combinations are weird in a in a strange wing it makes sense does right Dick rim. How about you same question? When did you get into spending it? And what do you like most about it? I mean I'm a really competitive person. In general so in Fifth Grade. We had a school spelling bee like just the Grade Spelling Bee and I was pretty determined to win it so there was like a couple of competitors so when I won that I went to the regional be in my state and in Oakland County. Which is my county and ever since then. I've been like shredding to win that and I really started to appreciate. 'cause spelling is pretty time consuming. It takes a lot of effort but it's really hard to see. That is really nice to see that hard effort and work that I put in to pay off in the end. Yeah for sure so rewarding Senate back to you. Tell me what's your favorite word or type of word that you like to spell on. I would say it's probably German or words because they sound really cool when you say them. I bet you give us an example like Schadenfreude the what does that mean. I don't know it's on school. It sounds cool. I like that. Gory. What about you? What's your favorite word or type of word that you like to spell my favorite type of word. They're not very common in English but I like spelling Korean words. How did you get into that I'm teaching myself Korean right so I just like learning. So how does one teach themselves Korean? That sounds fascinating. I find like online textbooks in things and I just kind of. I taught myself how to write the characters. I just kind of Use My friends that live there. Help with PRONUNCIA. That's very cool. Lucy how about you your favorite word or type of word that you like dispel at one copy right. Yes you like home. The words yes but like like the one to have tricky combinations. It hard to say. Can you give me an example like do I touch? Oh that's awesome so Vikram. How did you feel when you found out about the scripps? National Spelling being cancelled will are kind of was ready for it because of the situation but I think it was a little disappointing of course goes I studied a lot for it but yeah I think at least we got this so it's good now of course at least you've got one. We're here for you lucy. Same with you. I'm wondering what was your reaction when you the big event was cancelled. She was really really after soon. Long all that. Yeah I know right. It's tough gory. How about you? How'd you take the news? Well I actually got the news over email so I I saw and I was like really and then I was like I just. I was kind of bummed out because like all of my studying was kind of out the window. Yeah how about UCLA? How'd you get the news? My Mom told me and it was really surprising because you know the script. Spelling Bee has happened every single year. Nineteen forty five and to see it canceled after like seventy. Plus years is just really surprising. That was Sunday Salvi in Eighth Grade Speller from Abilene Texas. You also heard from gory. Gandhi from Cleveland Ohio Lucy Heath from North Augusta South Carolina and Vikram Godless from Bloomfield Hills. Michigan we're listening to highlights from our virtual event with four young spellers who qualified for the now cancelled Scripps National Spelling Bee coming up. We'll hear these kids in action with around of spelling led by an official pronounce. Her you'll even witness my account to spell one of the winning words from a past scripts be more in a moment. This message comes from. Npr sponsor legalzoom. Legalzoom makes it easy for Americans to set up their estate plans without leaving. Their homes. Don't know the difference between a last whale or living trust. What about an advance? Health Care Directive. Legalzoom can help. They're not offer but you can get started quickly online and also get advice through their network of independent attorneys. Learn more about estate plans and how you can speak to an attorney for advice at legalzoom DOT com. Do you talk about the news with your friends. Your family or perfect strangers. Get the facts. You need to be up to speed on this busy new cycle on the one A. News. Roundup find the podcast in your feed every Friday. The news has been hard to escape so take a deep breath and join us for. Npr's all songs considered it's more than a music discovery podcast. It's relief with new episodes every Tuesday and Friday as we share the week's best new albums and lots of music to calm the nerves here. All songs considered every you get podcasts. Today we're listening to highlights from virtual spelling bee. We hosted last week with four eighth grade. Spellers who qualified for this year Scripps National Spelling Bee. Eighth grade is the last year students are eligible to compete San Salvi is from Abilene Texas. Gory. Gandhi is from Cleveland Ohio. Lucy Heath is from North Augusta South Carolina and victim. God'll is from Bloomfield Hills Michigan. Before the break we got to know these spellers and now let's them in action. Sylvie Montaigne joined us from Lakewood Colorado to conduct the spelling portion of our event she placed ninth in the thousand fifteen scripts national be and fourth in two thousand sixteen now. She's spelling coach and regional be pronounce her or so. I think we're going to get started. With Sydney scenario. Your word is Brexit Zim. Wrexham may have the English origin. Irregular from Greek and English. Brooke System be are you X. That's correct Lucy. Your word is Psychoanalysis Psychoanalysis S. Y. C. H. O. A. N. A. L. Y. S. I S. psychoanalysis. Okay Vikram your word is cybernetics cybernetics near the definition please it science of communication and control theory. That is concerned especially with the comparative study of Automatic Control Systems. Cybernetics c. y. b. e. r. an ET. I see cybernetics bury. Your word is Garnier. Garnier G. A. R. N. I T. U. R. E. Garnier cine. Your word is prolitarian. Prolitarian may have the language origin. Language of origin is Latte Proletarian P. R. O. L. E. T. A. R. I A. M. Lucy. Your word is discountenance discountenance. S C O new in in a seat discountenance. Okay Vikram. Your word is hydrangea. Hydrangea H. Y. D. R. A. N. G. Hydrangea Gory. Your word is Slalom Slalom. May I have the definition police skiing and a ZIG ZAG or wavy course between Upright Obstacles Slalom S. L. L. E. N. slalom incorrect? So I believe would go to a sedan. Next since he would be the next Speller S. L. A. L. O. M. Lucy. Your word is corollary has a definition corollary means a proposition inferred immediately from approved proposition. With little or no additional proof. Corollary C. O. R. E. L. A. R. Y. Corollary so that goes to Vikram. Th Orders. Corollary mother Ernie alternate pronunciations corollary or Corollary Corollary C. O. R. O. L. L. A. R. Y. Corollary Gary your word is or tent. Portentous P. O. R. T. E. N. T. O. Us Court all right will and that round there. Go BACK TO SASHA OKAY. So that was great. Nice job everyone so Sanaa tell me how round for you it was okay like. I don't think they were too difficult. Lucy same question. How was it when I got the word I missed that I knew I didn't know it but the other words were familiar. Which comforting away. That's good to hear I'll tell you I can't remember which one of you had hydrangea. But I was like Oh God I don't know how I would be able to survive. That was it you okay so well. Bravo gory. Same question for you. How is that round? I'm a skier and I'm kind of annoyed. I Miss Slalom Slalom. 'cause I've done them before and as soon as I spelled it wrong I was like. Oh that's a gets you every time I tell you well you know Lucy. Tell us when it's your turn to spell a word. What is your strategy? What are you actually doing because I've seen on TV some spellers that will write out? I know I'm one that will write it out or I'll for me. I visualize what the word will look like on a piece of paper. So what do you do yet? In my mind I see like a picture of it. Typed out housing. Maybe it could be spelled. Same question for you gory for me. It's the same. And sometimes if I'm really having trouble with the word I'll right at lake on my hand and say so I sounded out in my head. And I'm spelling the word I go syllable by syllable. Oh that's a good one. Yeah instead of letter by letter interesting now for people who have no idea about how much work you four and in every other speller out there does to prepare for scripts gory can you tell us what it's like like. How exactly do you study and how long I personally Every day for sure. It's every day and Depending on the day because I have a lot of extracurriculars but I study between like three and eight hours a day especially on the weekends. I study a lot more than How exactly do you study for this It wasn't too tiresome. I I probably studied around two hours a day on the week on the weekdays and then like three to four on the weekends Lucy. How about you? We'll definitely takes hours. But usually I get my hands on the list. That script says and then I write down the words of no again journals. Let sometimes look up the definitions just to see that way when you're there and you can ask for the definition help you be sure where they're asking for okay Bickram how about you will when I was studying for the regional be. I really studied hard like everyday but I use like the first thing I did was reviewed the roots and then also the rules for languages. Because that's really the basis and foundation of most words and then after that it just repetition yeah sounds like a good strategy. Ellen wrote to US on facebook. I want to share this with you. She says Middle School English teachers everywhere are smiling. Thank you won a awesome. Thank you for watching Ellen and a question for you Sylvie Kia wrote on our facebook page says I love spelling and spelling bees. I wonder why the National Spelling Bee isn't being switched to online live instead of being canceled. WanNa take that on Juror So I know the professional spelling. Bee said that they aren't planning on doing an online be or any other kind of modified format of the be this year. It's just cancelled completely I have been working with Some eighth grade spellers and their families and other former spellers as well to promote There's a petition as well as some Some related initiatives that were working on to hopefully push scripts towards a change of heart and your petition on Change Dot Org Right. The link is Change Dot Org Slash Spelling Bee Twenty Twenty and the spelling bee for me. I competed for and five years ago but it was really life changing for me. It was sort of like you know if you haven't competed at spelling before. Think about like you know your favorite childhood memory and the biggest never had and the first time you really felt celebrated for like who you are and like about how you met you met your best friend all of those things for me dot the be was all of those things rolled into one and so it's really like the most. I've ever cared about anything and I know that a lot of spellers feel that way as well. A lot of this year's eighth grade schoolers feel that way so it's just important to me that if scripts can do anything at all whether that's an online be or extending eligibility for eighth graders or something else entirely. I just think that would be really meaningful. So that's why I'm working on this petition. Now Lucy you had the opportunity to participate in a modified scripts be or to compete next year. Would You yes simple answer? Yes didn't even have to think about that one well what about UCLA or alone? If I if they illegitimate eligibility was extended for ninth graders next year on I would do it. But I'm not sure how I would feel about a modified B. because a huge motivation factor for studying for it on was getting to go to DC for a week and meeting all these brilliant minds across the country. So I don't think I would study as hard or maybe that's not quite the same as it that that in connection wouldn't be there will listen. We're here because the pandemic has changed life as we know it and you know I have daughters. That are your age so I can imagine what it's been like for you guys all being stuck inside over the last couple of months. Lucy tell me what have you been doing at home decide spelling. We'll at plays a French horn That we had time I'd say break it out place. He's looking for us but I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure it's magnificent how about you victim. How've you been spending your quarantine days? Have you been taking classes online? Yup for school and also. I've been studying for next year is I'm doing like testing out of pre CALC to go into BC CALC. And then also before I came here. I've been doing like soccer practices daily or at least three times a week so I'm getting out of the house a little bit. Oh good very good. But you're wearing you wearing a mask though right. Yeah but like most people in this area. They don't early wear masks anymore. I think they're kind of over it. Well I I hope they're not so much over it because you know we still have. We still have to protecting ourselves. Because we we never know when when this is gonNA end or if there's going to be another wave and so we just have to keep that protection going until we get the all clear Gory how about you. What are you doing at home? These days? Side spelling I've been taking your online classes and then I play violin and I dance. Oh cool. That's that's awesome syllabi. What about you. I understand that you are a high school senior. So I'm curious what it's been like finishing up your time in high school during a pandemic you know taking virtual classes. I assume Yeah it's been Kinda Weird. I actually was supposed to have my graduation. This last Saturday which didn't happen But I'm done with high school now to take ib exams which got cancelled I did take a couple of online. Ap Exams last week which went pretty well exit. Congratulations Oh thank you. Congrats now unless scripts challenges the eligibility rules. This is the last year that are spellers. Here will be eligible to compete. You've stayed in the world of spelling bees after as a competitor. So tell me what advice do you have for these four if they WANNA keep spelling and keep staying involved in the world You know I think something that super important to do is to stay in touch with people that you've met at spelling bees and that's what I think that's one of the biggest downsides of the cancellation in my opinion. Is You get to meet so many. You know people who share your interests from around the world at the scripts be and so that's really hard but if you if you have made any friends or met anyone through the spelling bee so for stay in touch with them. I'm still in touch with my be friends. They're such an important part my life and it's really enriching so stay in touch with people If you feel like you would benefit from passing on your passion for words to younger kids. That is Super Fun to. I've been coaching and I get a lot out of it. Absolutely you know and speaking of passing it on to younger kids. I WanNa read you all a comment on our facebook from Zoe. A first grader at Gory School Zoe asks what advice? Do you have or a beginning? Speller for all of you to weigh in on this but let's start with gory. I think I would say read a lot on. It teaches you words that you would probably not really know otherwise and then other than that just You know really trying. Learn like language rules Pretty early in like try to expand your vocabulary in any way you can bickram. What do you say to the young spellers on? If a speller like the person I like words on the have a passion for it just like anything else like they would keep pursuing that so I think this keep getting interested in keeping on grossing yourself and different languages different rules and make sure that you're having fun doing it as well. Do you have any advice for beginner spellers? Yeah so same as what Gory said. I would take a Read a lot because it's really easy to retain information if you're having fun while doing it. This is great advice guys Lucy way for us. What do you say to begin? Spellers on that if she's good to research into other languages is good into studies of rules of it but don't get bogged down there. So many words in the English language in other languages be should stick with it. Just keep pursuing dispelling. It's rewarding that is awesome awesome to hear great advice so helpful still be one more time ready to bring you back and this time. I'm going to try spelling a word because well. I didn't want to brag about this earlier but I did win my spelling bee. When I was a kid growing up in Jamaica was like seven years old just putting it out there. No big deal but I kind of have a feeling that the one eight producers have co-signed secretly on giving me a word that's like probably impossible to spell. It is none attack. May I have the country of origin cleese in you it in Greenland not an attack? All right and you and a t A. K. Oh my God seriously. That's correct. Just I still got it. I'm so shocked very now. Those were highlights from our virtual event with four eighth grade spellers. Who QUALIFY FOR THIS YEAR. Scripps National Spelling Bee Man. I have been on cloud nine ever since getting none attack right anyway. Thanks again to our spellers gory. Gandhi from Cleveland Ohio Cine Salvi from Abilene Texas Lucy Heath from North Augusta South Carolina and victim. God La from Bloomfield Hills Michigan. He was the winner of our virtual be event and a special thank you to our pronounce. Her Sylvie La Montaigne who's a spelling coach and former scripts competitor from Lakewood Colorado? You can watch a video of the entire virtual event at the one a Dot. Org But for all you spelling enthusiasts out there. We've got some more spelling fun coming up for you. After a quick break this week. The Spelling Bee Prep company spell. Pundit held its national online spelling be hosted by me. Two hundred and eighty kids chose to compete sixteen. Made it to the finals in one. Speller one at all coming up after the break. I'll be interviewing that winner. Navanethem Morality an eighth grader from Edison. New Jersey more in a moment this message comes from. Npr sponsor facebook in response to covid. Nineteen people around. The world are coming together to help one. Another facebook's community health feature is making that easier from delivering groceries two neighbors to donating to a local fundraiser or food pantry community. L. provides a place where people can offer or request support in their area. Learn more at facebook dot com slash Kovic support. There's no getting around it. The coronavirus pandemic has upended everything and daily decisions. Made by the White House and Congress will radically impact the human and economic toll to keep up with the latest join us on the NPR politics. Podcast will cut through the noise and let you know what decisions are being made and how they affect you when scripts announced last month that it's National Spelling Bee was canceled? It could have meant the end of the road for many spellers who qualified scripts said it wouldn't be holding of modified virtual be this year and it won't change its eligibility rules to include those who will age out my next year. So that's where spell pundits stepped in. It's a spelling bee. Prep COMPANY CO founded by two former scripts competitors who came up with the idea to hold an online spelling bee. Nearly two hundred eighty students from all over chose to compete I. There were written tests then a semi finals round and then the grand finals which ended with this moment. Your word is Karaj. T T is the Cindy as from Sanskrit. Okay on May have all the information. Yes so the only pronunciation as Karachi announ is from Sanskrit as a cursive script of Aramaic or Japan using northwestern India Afghanistan and Turkestan and the census. The language professor took a sabbatical to teach Karachi in India Karachi on can also be pronounced cross the only of the one pronunciation on Karachi. Okay K. H. A. R. O. S. H. H. I. Across T- that is cracked. You're the champion of all pundit online national sally that's the sound of when Spell Pundit crowned its virtual winner this week eighth grader Navneetha morality. Navnath joins us now from his home in Edison. New Jersey. High neath high. First of all congratulations to you. That's super exciting. How do you feel about everything? Men definitely I'm really upset. The scripts wasn't able to do something for eighth graders however I definitely feel blessed to have one spoken. The online national spelling bee one basically every national spelling bee including some online. B.'s Since last year and I'm just happy that I made the best out of the situation. That's incredible year winning word for the spell pundit be was Karachi was going through your head when you spelled that well I knew the words so I just wanted to take my time and I wanted to make sure that I spelled correctly but still you so you knew the word but still you did ask for all of the information was that like just in case or yeah basically. I wanted to make sure that the word that I heard was the word that I knew and that I was going to spell the word which is a a great strategy of course for accuracy. Now those who have followed your spelling career They said that your spell pundit win was actually no surprise to them you know. They said that because of the fact that you one last year's South Asian spelling bee as you mentioned before you know you also finished fifth at scripts in two thousand eighteen and eleven last year and aside from being virtual tell us how did the spell pundit be compared to your previous competitions. Natty I mean definitely an online Bellamy can never replace an in person spelling. The it's especially scripts It's just a completely different experience. However on online spelling bees do offer the opportunity for spellers to compete against some of the nation's best at the convenience of home so I mean it was a different experience. Yeah so even though you know you mentioned this different experience and it we know it was virtual versus the in person experience that you're used to. Did you still feel that confidence in in how well you would perform or? I don't to be overconfident however And I was a bit nervous in the beginning however I felt basically how I would have if I bidding in an inner person. Be at the time How long have you been spelling? I participated in. I I and be when I was in third grade however only started. Taking spelling sears. The starting from fifth grade when I placed third and the salvation spelling nationals and when I placed fifth and Scripts in two thousand eighteen. That's when I knew that I had potential answered began and I began working much harder. And you mentioned before just that Camaraderie. You know being among the best of the best. I'm wondering what do you like? Most about spelling spelling bees and spelling itself while spelling on the surface. It looks like I'm amortization contest. But more than that. It's a critical thinking competition more or less because words they're not just random combinations of letters it's more of Connecting routes and applying language patterns took the spellings of words correctly so That's what I enjoy the most about spelling and spelling bees I feel that there's something that you can learn from every speller on the script stage And through the spelling bee. I've met many inspiring people and I've become I've become a better person. That's very inspiring. I'm thinking about just before the actual be takes place the preparation that goes into it for those who don't understand it really does take a lot of work to get to that point. You know. Tell us what your studying routine is like Thinking of scripts particularly what? You're studying routine for that and then for the spell. Pundit wants scripts was canceled. Did you routine change my routine? That earned the change. I said he around spend roughly forty fifty hours a week and I mean if scripts had happened I mean scripts was scheduled for the same week as dispel pundit competition so right the material that I said he didn't really for much however When scripts announced its cancellation. I was Emotionally crushed and there. There was I would say some loss of motivation. Because I wouldn't have that same big stage The and the experience. I wouldn't get a chance to compete at scripts again and there was some lack of motivation. Yeah for sure definitely a major disappointment for you and for the other eighth grade spellers like you who had been studying really really hard but now Navnath you are part of a campaign to pressure scripts to come up with another option for this year's eighth graders talk to me about that. What are you hoping that they'll do the only thing the I asked I mean the only thing that all the raiders asked for is for scripts to do something for them. I'm just not cancelling the be so All of us we've worked hard especially the eighth graders and since we won't have a chance to compete on the script stage anymore who have basically been requesting scripts to do something for us basically So what's next for you? Scripts doesn't offer something for a three qualifiers. Do you plan to stay in the spelling world? Like maybe as a coach or a pronounce. Or even spellings Daphne something that always too close to my heart and I'm considering coaching and I'll do whatever it takes to give back to the bone community. Do you think that you might also pivot to something else? Maybe or are you on do as of now My only major focus is getting ready for high school and doing well Academically in general and I'm looking into perhaps joining the competitive science field but nothing was decided as of now while. I'm sure you're also still reveling in your big win again. Congratulations to you. Navanethem Thinks Navanethem. Morality is an eighth grader from Edison New Jersey. He's the winner of the Spell Pundit National Online spelling bee that took place this week. Great talking with you talking to you and thank you for accommodating me. You can watch the finals of the spell punted National Online spelling bee at facebook dot com slash spell. Pundit this conversation was produced by Catherine think and Amanda Williams it was edited by Matthew Simonsen. This program comes to you from W. Amu part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. I'm Sasha and Simon Thank you so much for listening. This is one eight.

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The First Ever Thuggies Spelling Bee

Thug Mills - How Good Is This?

20:48 min | 7 months ago

The First Ever Thuggies Spelling Bee

"This is kind of embarrassing. But there's no toilet paper over here what he's going on. You can't spare three square rocks off square despair. Swear we're talking about right now. Invincible still uptake one. We're going to talk about on social distancing. Good is this yeah. This is great that you raised his to Miss Jaren here. You go gary hello everybody and welcome to a very very special episode of Thug meals. How good is this? I'm here joined by Dungy Banger. And such instead Ross. How Gentlemen Concerned I'm pretty good Dungy. Why would you be concerned today? So you just said look guys jump online. Let's jump in a meeting. You need to bring a pencil and some paper as some real show just saying but I'm not gonNa tell you what we're doing a very I is. That will take painkillers out and draw the length of them on his and he pulls away for a second. I'm worried why I was. GonNa scare you guys. You know so I've seen before it's all good. What do you think we're doing what what's in your heart? Some sort of stupid quiz. Well Look I put it into a very succinct song for you okay. I couldn't summarize it better if I tried this. Spelling Bee a fucking spelling bee. That's right everybody. It's a spelling bee. A We got the rhythm section of Estero Senate mother Bitch Johnny. I'm GONNA give him some words in the gun to see if they can fucking spell him and everybody wanted this. Nobody Spit I'm GonNa give you from the past dwelling nine ninety. Five count won their last premiership. That has nothing to do with this. Spelling-bee oh shit mother bitches and you found ditches and everybody wants to be you sparrow in which and yeah. That's your son. My freestyle and power was. I'm not just finally one. I'm also the free stolen one spelling spelling bee and tug. O Scared Ready for yes. Here's a fucking sparrow is so much fun so did you get that we're doing it. Would you need his son again? You thought might keep it to a verse. Now it's the run up to the intra true so it is a spelling bee gentleman. Yeah that's Roger when we have a three round spelling bee and it's going to be fantastic in the first round. You have three words. H H word is worth one point. There are no more modest points in this round. You cannot for the Senate the word to be used in a sentence and we're going to start with Donny G Banger. Donald J your word is flat flat flat just because like this is really really easy. I WANNA say what type of I don't know. How many types flat there can you use it in a sentence yes I can. The Earth is flat disc with ice around the edge holding in the world's oceans. Okay said it'd be day sake as and correct. That is incorrect donny. J You are an idiot. Sudden's Deborah this is yours for the win. Fish Fish Fish Fish Fish Fish. Well I guess one thing to consider is there is a a well nine Prog Rock. Jam Band called told Can you give me some context? May you use it in a sentence? Yes I meant why does Nesic keep filming spacewalks with a Fish Oil Lens? Say what you're doing now pushing an agenda I is. I wanted to win this ten thousand dollar prize at the end of forgot to match ships lined. Donny K St St St Kim. I'm trying to think what you might say this. Let me spell it first. And then you can say if I felt the correct one thing trolled through conspiracy theories facebook memes for nothing all right. Give it to give it to us I I will. Science is one ideology among many and she'll be separated from the state just as religion is now separated from the state all year. Yeah yeah they're the same ones who look the same conspiracy who are all about the amendments and then just say spell the word. Ya Buckets father would go to jail in there somewhere yeah again. You're on a big fat zero although I put the zero together. That's infinity but on. This is a Tequila quite step. This is the word slight. Could you use it in a sentence? Yes I can't if the earth was round then some of the buildings would have a slight toot. Go be a slight against my character. I couldn't spell this word. I fail compadres S. L. I. T. Man you kill it. According to my tally sheet. You're on a living so that's fantastic all right and so I read a book. Nice Dungy Yoga's word for round one round one part. I forgot to use that place. Well there is a fish quota place and it's actually spelled differently the fish. Can you use it in a sentence? Please the moon landing has a place on the Hollywood stars actors sidewalk for a reason because it was directed by curbing suck pay L. A. C. Played Komen's because you're on triple zero. Oh this rand is quite easy to win for you. Hit Me with it. This is an obvious one we can say this together. Melt melt- like the band melt banana. Would you please use it in a sentence that site to get everyone? Jet Fuel doesn't melt. I and steel beams about Melt Melt for. What did you asked us to bring a pen and pencil to this for round three. Okay all right at the end of ran. One-step Ross is untrue. After fucking plus Danni on his big Fed's zero but did not. I did you spell. I didn't hear it doesn't matter spell. It MELTS LT curricula. After the end of Ran Juan Donnie. Jeez on a big fat zero such instead. Ross is sneaking ahead on a wake US three. Let's enter ran to round. I you have three woods. H H word is worth one point. There are no minus points. But the word you must spell is removed from Green Day lyric. So you must be able to finish the lyric and I realized sunny spot advantage. You must the lyric and spell the word Dungy. You're going I. It says home is where your heart is. But what a shame. 'cause everyone's heart doesn't bait the Jane J. An a Oh no same. Too LATE TO ARTICULATE THE SANE. Sorry like can use it as yes sir. Steroids like my father's come to pass. Twenty years have gone so Intriguing really touching lyric. really makes you think. Make Zeke foster fires. Tapes is good Daij J Sugar and spice and everything nice wasn't made for only girls. Gi Joe in pantyhose is making room for the one and only king for a day princess by dawn king for a day in what? I don't even know what that is sugar and spice and everything nice wasn't made for only goes Gi. Joe In pantyhose is making room for the one and only King Day princess by Dawn. Maybe maybe my accent princess by Don King for a day in a letter. Thank God I I honestly don't know what what's the song the song and. I'll tell you the lyric okay. It was Thong. T. H. O. N. G. Yeah don't worry you can get a point in this round sudden several standoff a Molotov cocktails on the dance floor day. Nc AFL oh fuck incorrect house U. S. Or is it. I'm not sure? Yeah Donald J last one. You should know this are you. I promise you honest if you didn't get this right. I'm a flip this computer and smash into wall okay. This is a public service announcement. This is only a test. Emergency evacuation protests may impair your ability to operate vibrators. V. I. B. Oh Shit Machinery off. No I said VIBRATORS SPELL B I B R. A T is zero s embarrassing for the event ended around two zero points. Steph is on the one point steroids but my lip and close my eyes. Take Me Away to paradise. Some say. Quit or I'll go blind billlion day. Well done then does at the end of around two. We have Dante at a big fat zero sudden. Several says crypt ahead gaining momentum and now on four well done it is now I this correctly. That what part did you understand the spelling. Bee fucking spelling bee. It's all right. Do you want me to play again. Not I'm hearing yes all right. Welcome to the Bernie fun around. You need a pen and paper for this. Okay okay. I'm GonNa get you to write. I'm going to give you some letters. Some random letters and the person who creates a word from those letters gets one point the longest word. Okay the longest. Were you only have longest. So if I say F. P. Three whatever you like. Hey number three. The greatest example number three. There are only three questions so this could decide the winner. And don't they? Now you've got an iphone and so I'm not giving you any PD points. The first word please and win the music starts. When you're one minute starts the first word the use the letters. B. A. L. L. S. I C K One two since this. This wrong didn't use Mafia. She pays the schooling and this one can use that one and Okay got one James All right. I've made you go. I J I think you scrunch up saving. You saw the door K. A. B. C. A. L. L. Cab called you call a cab. That's very good. I'm loving it. I love that you denied the obvious. Choice of Sackville Art High School. Could you please use it in a sentence? They've I at Highschool Dante. He was regularly humiliated. 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Well done overwrought zero around to the final question and Dundee year on two points steroids. You're on for six points. Hero RANDOM LITITZ CHOSEN AT random S. T. E. V. E. S. Hey F. U. C. k. h. e. Hay Day Day. Yeah good good okay. Man Are Ready. Go on Don't finishes why. Because he got what got one. I guess I I. It's time so I got. Hawks is Phoebe houck's baby you are correct. Well done thank you use it in a sentence placing Hawk said Spivey. Nana's pretty good. I found something pretty pretty good in there to say Stephen Fuck it. But there's a silent known so at the end of the foreign. Don't find that we've finished so we'd three points coming in second is Dhani J. Banger. But last thank you work and coming in at first place Sergeants Davos. Oh accepts it. Thank you very much. I mean you came out of the Gates Steve. Heady feel feel satisfied paid off. Let private schooling rowing privilege all So Standard Show doggy. Biscuit brand new uniforms feelings of superiority fantastic. I had no idea you'd win. Can you believe you WANNA fuck? Instead of Russ on that is never saw trauma bass jams. Whilst onto the Stavros issue are the ultimate spelling member in the rhythm section of. Oh Yeah. That's right several. Take your pants off and throw your share onto the bed Nad. Do Push up against a rod on. You've really enter and concludes the First Single Thuggish Spelling Bee. Would you come back again as carryover champion status? I duNNo. Actually it's hit and I can tell you right now. The download is going to be through the roof. I definitely got this idea. From Montgomery's Youtube Channel is about is going to say when you started these despite obey rip off because it isn't someone else did it a couple of weeks ago. Now he didn't know watched it and it was fantastic. Okay much better than us. They've got New Zealand accent. You guys that's it for the spelling bee. I'll see you again next year when you defend you title Steve. Until then see you later. Oh yes see.

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Tucka Saville - Loving The Queen Bee with Kirsten Traynor  (S2, E31)

Beekeeping Today Podcast

51:39 min | 6 months ago

Tucka Saville - Loving The Queen Bee with Kirsten Traynor (S2, E31)

"Welcome to beekeeping today. Podcast presented by culture beekeeping. Today podcast your source for Beekeeping News Information and entertainment. I'm Jeff and I'm Kim. Hey Jeff and Kim. Today's sponsor is Global Patties. There are a family operated business. That manufactures protein supplement patties for honeybees. It's a good time to think about Honeybee. Nutrition feeding your hives. Protein Supplement Paddy's will ensure that they produce strong and healthy colonies by increasing brood production and overall honey flow. Now is a great time to consider what type of Patty is right for your area. And Your honeybees global offers a variety of standard patties as well as custom patties to meet your needs no matter where you are globalist ready to serve you out of their manufacturing plants in Airdrie Alberta and butte Montana or from distribution depots across the continent visit them today at. Www DOT global patties dot com. 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That's great to have you back could have you backers thank you. I always love chatting well so we've got Spent an exciting week. We had World Bean Day. We have the weather's changing. Bees are coming and going going. It most definitely as I spotted my first bumblebee Queens this week on in Connecticut where I currently am. It's been cool and windy. But they're out flying we. We've had a lot of what we've had really nice weather. And that's gotten really cool the last couple of days so things are kind of keeping close to home. What about you? Can you need any water into brain yesterday? An inch as on top of the half for the last four days. So that's what we're to two point two seven inches. I think they told me I can't walk in my yard. My are floating across the yard. It's it's just awful. I don't know what we're GONNA do. Your April showers are showing up in Maine. Yes they are and and what you know the I tell you that picture. My Red Bud is in full. Bloom we get an inch of rain and it's no longer bloom all saw on the ground. I ever pink expire on my yard for that Redwood was and that's usually a seven day seventy eight nine day bloom period. I don't think I don't think I don't think I make quite a super honey off. I got five or six red budget my yard and I. I'd probably close a super of honey spread out all of my highest together on that blue moon networks. This year squat. Yea All the cherry blossoms are on the ground here so sad. Well you guys you know. I'm really feeling for you because well no I'm not really. I know how you feel because the that's the way it is. That's the way I've experienced spring in the Pacific northwest as soon as all the blooms. Come out it rains for week. Solid and they end up on the ground and the bees are just saying what the heck has been here or is it has been a wet spring for you. It's actually been a little bit dry. We had the two weeks of really warm weather in the seventies and in even hit eighty a couple of times then. Everyone was like well. This is weird but it's gone back to grain cloudy and and it's low sixties now so it's the BBC getting out but they're not out enforced like they were two weeks ago. In fact you know the talk on a BS. That's during warm spells when I had all those swarmed four-times and do you have any bees socks. I told him I told Kim. There were a few plan. Parcheesi checked on him the last time they weren't doing a whole lot and but There's no queen left now. They're they're Queen Louis. So it's like Oh man no no no queen selves no Queens. No queen cells no eggs. They just abandoned ship themselves away. Yeah they they said well. There's no one home. There's no one left but they're still pulling pollen than keeping the Brood Chamber warm but there's really nothing there so I've been hearing from a lot that they're having issues. The spring on some of the people are getting in are turning up with laying workers and Queen lists packages. The Queen's are taking off and leaving leaving the colony just worker bees. I hear a lot of people are struggling. Did the classic. How should I call Classic Queen Introduction Mistake on one of my? I don't let I blocked her off for a week and then I put in find it and I left them release her and what. I went back after three days. They hadn't still had released her so I was trying to pull the plug out. Of course there. She went the skied to us. And what you have to do when that happens. Well what I've been you have to do is leave cover sideways. So that she can find the colony ordered but the colony isn't totally exposed and I came back in two hours and there. She was walking on the top. I I got. I got lucky that yeah I've always. I've always been told that you just standstill for about five to ten minutes. Usually she doesn't orientation circle than comes right on back in and she's she's now added you to the landscape so you're well you know that's a that's a good topic. Queens this the interview you have coming up for us Talk really talked about Queens. How do you? How did you meet? Tuck and Why did you choose your for your interview? I met Tuck a few years back. I actually went down to Florida to work bees with her and Sam Comfort when they were running. Anarchy a period together and watching Tu-ka work. Bees is just watching somebody in their elements. She would scurry right on up a tree wearing nothing but boy shorts and a t-shirt up in the tree with swarms banging them out of drumming them out you would cer spread a swarm on a blanket and she would spot that Queen and absolutely no time it was. I was down there for three days and had absolute blast. She was keeping bees down in mango orchards. Mango groves and so you would stop and you can eat fruit right off. The trees as well It was a very different way of keeping bees. All of Herbie's that they were running at the time. We're in these handmade boxes out of just regular lumber that you can pick up at home depot They don't use frames. They use bamboo skewers and they let the beast draw wild comb. But what's really interesting with Tuukka? Is She then went and worked with Michael up in Vermont who runs a sustainable commercial apiary all deep all normal standard lace roth equipment seven hundred eight hives? And she's pulling honey with the best of making sure. All the colonies are queen right and doing a lot of his grafting for him as well. So she's just she. She spans that whole world from treatment. Free to sustainable commercial beekeeping and integrates techniques from both of that introver- own operation. So she's just always a WHO to talk to. She has really interesting perspective. Well let's get into it now and and listen to the interview high tech US So so please join us today and you run bees both in Florida in upstate. New York. Can you tell us a little? Can you tell us a little bit about how you first got? Involved with. Bees and beekeeping. Yeah so it was some May of two thousand thirteen and I was over in Europe and I was doing a little bit of learning about different ways to run organic farms. I've been farming for about ten years on enough mostly just coming in for harvest or planting or big jobs up kind of up and down the east coast of the states. I decided I wanted to try something different. So I headed interested in that bees sheep or orchards and the first thing that I found was bees and that was also Heidi Herman in about an hour south of London. The natural beekeeping. Trust Very. Very interesting answer did you. Did you continue with your love? Sheep at all or has that completely fallen by the wayside. Well the sheep were kind of like a childhood story for me a little bit because my uncle was a sheep farmer in Tasmania Australia. When I was little and I don't have a lot of memories of that. But they were released Sweden lovely however I did not find that my love for sheep became a driving force in my life. Okay Fair enough. So you started in beekeeping with this natural beekeeping attitude and then later you also worked for commercial beekeeper Michael Palmer up in Vermont. Can you describe how these two different approaches to be keeping have influenced your own way of keeping hives? Only if you have like you know three or four days to listen I can say a little bit about it. So the experience that I had with the natural beekeeping trust and specifically with with Heidi Herman was one of very profound magic and romance. I really fell in love with the beasts in a in a deep and powerful way and it was a bit of a whirlwind for me you know I just like basically got caught up in a sore and and carried off essentially Working with Mike Palmer other commercial beekeepers has been a very different experience but I have found. Interestingly that it's rooted in the very same thing which is a profound fascinated with and love for the beats and that's very much evident in the way that Mike Palmer runs his business and also in the way that he even physically works colony and the way that he moves into and working there was was really amazing especially because we had a community of people who would come and so Mike has these queen catch days where I don't know five to twenty people could show up in. Never you never know how many are going to go be there. Yeah you never know who you're going to get. And so that's another commonality is when there would be a swarm at Heidi Herman's place all proceedings other than the swarm would stop and someone would get a white sheet and spread it on the lawn and someone would get a basket to catch the swarm. Someone would make tea and then we would all just come together and watch the bees sometimes for hours into the afternoon and the same thing sort of happened with Mike. I mean yes. We're we're producing queens on a commercial scale and somebody does have to go to the post office at the end of the day and actually ship and sell the Queen's but essentially it's just a coming together of bees and people and I really love that I was able to find that same thread even in such vastly different situations. Yeah no I definitely think. There's there's definitely a community that builds around BS and working colonies. I have actually seen you work a swarm on a sheet and you have this amazing ability to spot the Queen. Pretty darn quickly. What are some of your tips for finding her amongst the mass of colony? Gosh practice a lot all the time I was GonNa say I think practice is one of the big things that a lot of hobby. Beekeepers don't get because they don't have that access to many many colonies and so they don't have a repetition of task and it makes it much more difficult. I've seen you work B.'s. You have a very intuitive nature. Where you you sense the colony. Almost I would say it's quite lovely lovely to watch thank you. I really I. I love them a lot. You know. So what what you're seeing is just my actual relationship with them and that's and that's kind of what it. What my best advice is. Is that when I'm in a colony for whatever reason and I'm looking for something. I make sure that someone once told me when I was a child about the the scientific phenomenon that is the identified image so when a Predator is tracking prey. They have an image. That's kind of like burned into their subconscious brain past the level of I'm looking for Xyz so if it's say it's a cat hunting lizards. They'll they'll because of that attention. That's focused in their brain. They're able to see those lizards more effectively then creature. That wasn't focused on hunting. Lizards was then. I have that with Queen Beads because I just think about them all the time I think about them I touch them. I draw them. I watched them a catch them. I put them in cages ship. Them all over the country like I just you know. It's all about the Queen Bee and so that's the thing you know that. And watching their behavior in general as particularly easy to read because they're not on the columns and so every be is totally free to move in a way that essentially orients to the queen soil patterns in the in the spread of bees. That are on the sheet or on the box or on your hand or wherever and and you can read those patterns and and see where the is based on the attraction that the other bees are chemically experiencing towards her right. And what is the Yes it does is? It's one of those really hard things too. I think for people to understand who haven't worked colonies continuously on a regular basis. Just because it's the experience of mastery right for example if you're learning dance or something and the instructor can explain something and you're trying to make make sense in your own head but the terminology. They're using his currently slightly foreign to you and it's that familiarity that builds over time that makes it much more easy to comprehend. I know you've also you've spotted multiple queens in a swarm so how many. What's the Max number of Queens? You've ever found wants for him. I'M GONNA. I just ducked backtrack just for one. Second responding what you just said and I would say that. My advice for beginners is a find the level of protective gear. That's comfortable for you. Don't be afraid while working the colony or you won't be able to access the level of attention. You need to pay to really see what's going on in front of you. It's like you're going through a looking glass and the world that you're able to see get smaller and smaller and smaller and you start to notice more things but you have to be at ease. Use small amounts of smoke. Where gear if you need to like? Don't be afraid do that and to answer your question about about Queens. The most that I've found in a single conglomeration of bees I think was either eleven fourteen but that was a bit of a special circumstance because when when hauling B.'s commercially one who a person who's queen bitter will often find themselves in the position of having hundreds of very small colonies in their hot band when that happens. And you arrive at a loading yard even if you get to this yard and you unload the bees after dark. Unplugged them sometimes the next day. There's still a considerable amount of drift. Which is when be is leave one colony and moved to another colony for some mysterious and fascinating reason in Florida. Sometimes that also means that you know eleven or fourteen of these mating. Nukes full of bees all flying into a tree together. And just make make you know. Twelve pound sore hanging hanging from a mango sort of thing. Because Florida's just weird like that normal in a normal swarm like northeastern just. A single swarm. A prime swarm generally has one queen and the subsequent swarms I've seen up to two or three virgins in one. Yes that that's been my experience when I kept bees in Maryland. Is those after swarm. Sometimes you will end up with two or three virgins in the same swarm so I understand you split your beekeeping between Florida and upstate New York. Why these two very different locations. I mean if you haven't gotten the gist of this yet. I basically just follow my heart in life and I don't. I don't really really selected the things that I currently have going on by any sort of intellectual means other than possibly just the fact that I was born in Florida and I can't seem to leave because the bees are just you know dripping from the trees and Cheyenne piles and it's hard to resist for like me. Who So mad about these. So there's that and then there's also upstate New York where I currently have B.'s. Has a really amazing beautiful thriving community of young farmers who were engaged in different practices in regenerative culture and they're really concerned with food sovereignty and bringing the right. You know fresh grown food to the right people and building soil quality and community and they are so innovative and full of life and passion. And they're such hard workers and everyone's so engaged with the work that they're doing with the land that I really feel like belong there because I am so you know. My beekeeping is not a job for me. It's my life style so being surrounded by other people who have their particular passions in that same way within the agricultural sphere mix for a really interesting brainstorming situation where we can talk about bigger issues agriculture and and society and and really feel inspired by each other. Do you find that with those communities that that is predominantly younger farmers. Do you find that there are some older farmers as well who have been doing similar things for many years or are reinventing themselves in the change in the face of changing climate absolutely and that I find both and and I find that the younger generation of farmers is getting creative to obtain loans and grants and funding and in order to to get land to even do the work that they want to do. And then the people who already have a lander often entering into collaborations that require everyone to stretch their minds and bodies. And I've been really impressed by the progress that I see with that. And by the way people are able to be people together. Yeah up north. There's a there's a park called the off sable brewing company and they are Super Awesome. Their property abuts the land that they owned in the town of Keys Villa New York and often times I will not only see all of these different players and characters in the agricultural community. But I'll go there specifically to make connections with them and it's none of like a magic hat you just walk into the bar and you come out with someone to do. Xyz On your land and it's the perfect fit. It's it's really a nice things so it is a true watering hole. So many beekeepers are trying to keep their more naturally. Can you talk a bit about your high box design and the rough would you use? Yeah absolutely so. This box cannot claim the credit for being the genius who concocted the situation. That credit belongs to Sam Comfort. Anarchy apiaries and he created a box based on the thoughts and concepts of Edward. Bevan up to be is. You know you'd have to talk to Sam about all the details. Most people would probably recognize the most similar popularized box to Sam's being the war. A high of him has some differing philosophical ideas about about management of bees in his boxes. That more closely. Reflect them for me. I really love that. They're made of rough lumber. Because I can just go to my buddy down at the sawmill with the jar of honey and you know a little bit cash and get a pile of rough cut lumber. And he'll cut him to size. He'll cut him down to six foot sections for me and make sure there are one inch by six inches. And I'm able to just build those boxes soup or quickly because I gotta a chop saw I put a Jig on it and then I every every cut is the same length and they're really easy to throw together with just one screw in each side so that when you stuck the boxes on top of one another if the ground is not completely flat they'll actually self correct so that their seal the and they move a little bit everything's kind of fluid and movement is allowed in the colony. I don't use any foundation. Not Wax or plastic. I let the beast draw combs off of a SAMSA forefront of beekeeping technology the barbecue skewer. Jumbo-sized is very important He's been experimenting with using these boxes without bar arrests which is also very interesting concept and a towel. A heavy towel goes very nicely as an undercover with that with the ones that have bar. S I really like the material reflect tech's which is like a shiny bubble wrap insulation material. You can buy a hardware store. I'm going into a lot of details here though. Maybe I should back pedal an answer more about no no that. That's absolutely fine. I mean I'm sure I'm sure. Some listeners are trying to wrap their head around keeping HIVES OFF OF BARBECUE SKEWERS. And obviously you have to manipulate comb slightly differently than you would with a wood frame and foundation. And you can't slip it the way you normally would. What are some of the drawbacks potentially of a system? That's obviously very low. Cost you have heat concerns or You know it's kind of still in the exploratory period I'd say the closest thing possibly more popular than the worry high of although that is gaining popularity is the Tanzanian top bar hive so anyone worked one of those knows what. It's like Tim manipulate calm. That is foundation lists not only pick foundation list but also frame lameness Anyone who also has done a live be removal will be automatically more skilled at working colonies that are built on rock home as far as the challenges that I associate with the boxes. You know the unless you're really cognizant of the existing structure within the colony of the Brunettes being in the center and the nectar being on the outside and the pollen being between the two and unless you really maintain the structural integrity of the Brood Nest with appropriate be space in between the calms which is essentially to BS riding piggyback on top of each other in between the combs. Enough Room. For that to happen it can be difficult to get them to draw the home straight. So if you learn to read the colony well and never separate the brood nest unless it's seasonally appropriate and you know done with care than you can get them to draw home straight and it can be very easy to work them. But if you're not comfortable with that you might find that the next time you go to try to open your box you simply. Can't they have lewd everything together? Yeah it gets a little crazy in there. You know but if you're on top of it and you're doing well especially queen reading the little boxes really really a delight for that because he splits them in half and also now split them in half. So there's four combs on each side and each side has an entrance and they stay very small and very easy easy to work very easy to manipulate Halley. Very easy to find your queen as well. Indeed it's really. It's kind of like working for way. Ten frame minis only without the would that can so easily squash a queen right because you know if you hit her up against the side of the box of the piece of wood. It's over but if you do that with a piece of calm she might be okay. Yeah Queens Queens. At times can be much more sensitive than than people realize. I have definitely done queen catches and every once in a while a queen. We'll just I call it playing dead. She sort of rolls over. Kills over at you definitely think she's gone but if you let attendance sort of. Antony her usually she comes around within ten to fifteen seconds although every once in a while they give you a bit more of a scare. I had one while I was teaching a class killed over. I did not think she was coming back around but I was like. Oh she'll be fine. Put her back in the bucks checked on her the next day and she was up and running laying eggs so she was fine queen. I understand your love of Queens. They are definitely definitely something a joy to behold I especially love marking them which I know sounds very bizarre. But there's something about putting the perfect mark on a queen that just as very very satisfied so it's a it's a true craft better be is pleased to present the interviews by Kirstin trainer as a supplier to our nation's beekeepers for over forty years that are v provides the tools equipment and information. You need seed through. Its many beekeeping. Employees better be. Serves you with solutions to your beekeeping challenges. That's why they can say with confidence that they are your partners in better beekeeping. Thanks to better be for. They're informative catalog website supportive beekeeper education and for sponsoring the series featuring Hairston. Be sure to see the latest at better. Be Dot Com. Maybe just for one second. I'm sorry I'm cutting you off but I just went pretty deep into a specific. Maybe I'll zoom out just for one second event. In general the boxes they swore more because the colony is smaller. And I haven't seen any significant drawbacks with wintering in the north. Because of the fact that they are vertical. Although I do sometimes find that it's hard to get enough wait on them in Iran a very very cold climate climate yelm. So but but that's also I'm still very new to managing them in extremely cold climate. That I'm that I'm currently leaving them in and so I would say I have a lot to learn about that. But the most noticeable things are are the increased swarming which does lend itself to being a treatment for beekeeper. As long as you're in an area where swarming appropriate on your cultivating genetics right. Yeah and and and the one thing I would say is is if you are making a lot of your queen if you're not grafting your queens but selecting swarm cells. The one characteristic you're definitely selecting for is swarming behavior in your colonies. If all of your queens are made from swarm cells absolutely and there are and there are very conflicting ideas and opinions on that for instance between someone like the natural beekeeping trust versus someone like Mike Palmer or someone like Sam Comfort Kinda standing somewhere in between the two and also with his own independent ideas. There's there's really there's a lot of interesting ways to look at it and I guess you know at the end of the day it's the scientists who have the most proof so yeah I think one of the one of the big. I mean obviously the Brood break from a swarm can be very beneficial if you are treatment. Free the one thing I think that is of growing concern is if those swarms become established in your area and are completely unmanaged if they end up with high. Veru might loads and then they crash are you then getting a second wave of invasion into your own colonies that you have been managing and that that's very difficult to monitor and understand. It does seem that colonies are picking up might not so much from collapsing colony drifting out but more so from a strong hive going and robbing out a dying colony with a lot of Varroa Mites when There is a big nectar dearth in the late summer when a lot of these big companies tend to crash. So yes I think. There's there's a wide spectrum on the range of beekeeping and everybody needs to decide for themselves where they fit on that spectrum and ideally still listen to other people's perspectives and see what you can learn from them. Often I find it gets somewhat politicized with everybody sort of entrenched and digging in with their own their own way of doing it as the only way of doing it but the needs the needs of backyard. Beekeepers are definitely different than the needs of large-scale commercial beekeepers. So I don't I don't know any beekeepers who think that their way is the right way. You haven't talked to some that I've talked to. You've ventured online quite a bit. Which I assume is probably not your natural habitat you strike me as somebody who likes to live their own life and not always put themselves out there but you are attracting a lot of attention online. So what is the key to an engaging posts and also what are some of the drawbacks of being young active female and on social media l? Am I drawing a lot of attention? I didn't know I think you are. I think you have some of the funniest posts going. I'm kidding. I'm being very falsely modest. I did intentionally get onto social media and try very hard to attract a lot of attention and it's working great for me. I really I really enjoy it. It's it's it is true that it's not been historically my natural inclination. I really love photography a lot more than I realized. And I really love. Recording videos of beets because it gives me an excuse to just sit there and stare at them which honestly don't have all that often now that I'm making money from bees and I really missed that a lot. I miss that connection with the bees that I found back in England when I first fell in love with them that ferry. I swarm like that sense of just magic where the world comes to a standstill and everything around. You is kind of suspended in the air literally suspended in there. Just be as and BS and base. I miss being in that mind. Space as a social media is a way for me to really kind of take people on a journey with me as I'm doing beekeeping and see the strange and Quirky and interesting things that I see I would assume that a lot of different people see a gleam different things from Shaw Media Presence. Because they don't really make it up for it to explain all that much beginning beekeeping facts or techniques. I do put up specifically technique oriented videos around building boxes and I'd like to start doing more for for instance setting up sell builders and advanced query skills but I need to acquire a Gopro or equivalent head mounted camera so that I can do these videos while actually doing what you're doing exactly and I would do voice-overs with the visuals. I would speak while recording with the camera and doing the task and I think that that could be a really interesting thing for people because that's actually not something that's accessible to someone even in person in the field because they cannot be in the position. I'm in at the same time that I am so having that would I think what early give a unique perspective on on what I'm actually doing and site like first person video games anyway so I I'm again. I'm going off on a tangent here I. I like the social media. I'm excited about. It initially started doing it in order to attract attention to get invited to do more speaking engagements which is also something. I very much enjoyed. Because it's a way to have an excuse to travel meet other Miki and their bees in different places in the country in the world and just learn more and participate in sharing the joy that is hanging out with bees fair enough. Yes and they're often very engaging. I find that no matter where you go when you meet beekeepers. They are often extraordinarily generous. And very curious and WanNa know what you're doing differently so I fully understand the though the desire to travel to to meet beekeepers in remote places so yeah Indian. We can sorry we can do that by video to. That's kind of like the the most lovely thing at the moment it's is especially important so what what platforms you most on your on instagram under. I'm on instagram. At Tucker Dot B. E. My name is spelled T. U. C. k. a. and then it's DOT B. As in the word be okay. That nightmare that's primarily my focus. I really have limited time so even though I am posting daily I. I can't really do more than one post choice and so I post to instagram and at Ford's to facebook I did recently add back a lot of the facebook beekeeping groups that I had taken a break from Because I found that I was getting asked a lot of very detailed questions that required a great deal of my time and my time has become a thing that I'm managing more and more effectively to run a successful business. And so I found that I while I really appreciate and respect for instance Mike Palmer for all of the free education and just incredible generosity that he engages in on a daily basis with people both in the beyond and online. I'm not really in a position where I can do that for people right now because I'm trying to build my numbers so I started charging for consultation over the phone and I also would like I'd like to create a kind of a Bank of resources that are written and in photographs. That's available online that I can simply refer people to nothing and then start in on studying for themselves. Because I don't know if I've learned anything about teaching people beekeeping. It's that people don't actually do that. Do Right yeah no. I always say that the Beezer your best teachers so long as you're willing to listen and I understand that there's a lot of demands. People are hungry for information and when they see you as somebody who is has more expertise than they they often don't realize all the time and effort it has taken to to construct that knowledge base and that you spending time educating them does take you away from the aspects of your business that you are building and so it's it's definitely a difficult balance. I mean we would never ask our dentist for a free consultation. But somehow with beekeeping we we have no problem asking intimations so I like I like that about it. It's really humanized. In that way that you don't have to be an Ivy League graduate or have a lot of money or have the right connections or anything like I so much of what I do in beekeeping comes from my heart and his about whether I enjoy I enjoy spending time with the person in the be artem. They're attentive and considerate and engaged. You know I don't feel the need to make money from not just just someone has a person needs to be really listening and really thinking for themselves. And actively seeking out research to better educate themselves and searching for their own resources and references and know I agree the the morning engaged. They are in the You. Feel it in their questions as well right. There's more depth than behind their questions but but speaking of free. Let's go and talk about freebies. I know that in Florida you have gone out and hung up swarm traps. So what are your thoughts on catching swarms? And what do you do with those swarms? Once you have them. I love to catch swarms. It's so much fun. It's pretty much my favorite thing in beekeeping. I've really become an amored with queen rearing just because of a technicality of it and the details and the the challenge of becoming very good at something. But we're my heart. My heart is always going to be still in. That swarm took it in never gave it back a saw. I love Florida. Love catching swarms in Florida and I have recently begun changing tactics. I used to just hang swarm traps up about one hundred and one of them. The same amount of acres that the pollinator sanctuary hoping to create in upstate. New York will is I I would put them anywhere. Basically along the side of the road and parks just anywhere. I could reasonably access. I would put up a storm shops now. I've I've focused more on building social connections in the community and this happened through directly through the social media and because I really like people and I like being involved in the food community in an agricultural community and therefore I also get involved in the Food Service community which brings me into social spheres such as bars and restaurants and other things like that and the idea of consuming local food and supporting local businesses and all of these connections have been really great and so when I make a connection in any of those fears. I am able to ask that person if I can put up to swarm trump's at their house. Oh Nice and then they know if the shops our full and I have spies all around the county could just call me up when there's a box full of bees that I've caught out my work because I don't have to drive around and check them. Okay very nice and you're giving them a more appreciation for nature because now they have a tasks that they feel very proud of doing. I'm sure they must have amazing glee in their in their voices when they call you up and say box has has residence. It's so exciting. It's like and they send me videos on. They post them online and tag me. It's it's just a really fun way to kind of plan in Iraq and sometimes they keep the bees and they want to be be. That's why I put up to one for them for me smart smart idea and when when you actually captured them do then move them into your own box system. Do You keep the queen that you got with the swarm or do you tend to recline. So I keep the Queen's but I keep an eye on them and I and I don't sell them to other people and I if they're mean I kill them away but they're very useful because some of the swarm queens well while it's actually not encouraged by the state of Florida to ever lettuce warm Queen Live. I do find that a lot of them you know. Sometimes you just don't have the time to do all of this stuff at once and if you let them keep the swarm queen for a little while. They're able to much more quickly. Recover from the trauma of being removed from the box. So when you catch a swarm in a box you have to either you know just drum just take the bees out with the vacuum or drumming the box or would smoke or however and install them into a new box. It may be as you could do it with them as a package so that you're not actually giving them any of the calms that they built in the swarm trout or you could physically cut the comes out of the swamp trap and attach them to frames or barbecue skewers top ours as you pleased using rubber bands or zip ties or wire or pretty much. Anything you could find that you think might work But they recover faster either way with their own queen so I caved the Queen and then wait until they have a eggs in the new colony so under strong enough with enough food to survive without supplementary feeding before I consider re cleaning them okay. I've tried other ways but this really worked best for me. So when you say you cage the Queen but then you're waiting for eggs are you catering on comb or at either way. So yeah essentially. I'm always catching her own. Comb BECAUSE IF I go to package method cut out and I melt down the WAX and don't use any of it. I generally install them on one one calm or one frame of larva open larva and eggs and one of nectar and pollen. And I'll take those firms from other colonies that or that. I'm already splitting or something like that and I'll put the Queen Energies. Epz PASTA CAGE with a with a with a sugar candy. That goes through in one to two days and I'll so he's actually then released and then lane and she's either released onto the calm that I have physically cut out from the original colony and the trump or she's released onto a call net a calm of larvae that I borrowed from another excellent. If if you had to choose a pollinator to be your avatar which pollinator would you choose? I was thinking about this one. And I've heard it on other podcasts before and I just like Gosh. It's so hard to choose many of them there. Amazing also. Does it have to be an insect because hummingbirds are really really cool. I would agree with you. Know it doesn't have to be like I said pollinator so you can totally go with Hummingbird also. I really feel like I need to show some love to bats right now at this time in the world because they're amazing amazing creatures and just so Q. And Weird and beautiful and very important pollinators they are. They just got a new quarter. The American Samoa Quarter has the fruit bat on it so I'm pretty excited about fixture. It's so cute. I feel like I kind of have to go with data just because of the what's going on the world right now but historically. I probably would have gone with a metallic Blue Mason. Bees theri cool sounds so one final question any advice for the next generation. Wanting to get into bees and beekeeping. I guess my most practical advice would be just make sure you want it and do that systematically read a book find a Mentor Volunteer. With the mentor. Put in the time gets stung into face gets stung the face again. Get some enough as like thirty more times and then you might start to know whether or not you are for you and I like that. You said go volunteer for your mentor. Because I find that in a lot of beekeeping groups you get paired with a mentor but then you expect them enter to come and help you with your bees and most beekeepers don't have the time for that and they also don't know what they're getting into so I always find you get much better success and learning when you go help the mentor with their bees. Because they know what they're doing with their own hives and then you can take that knowledge back into your own colonies. I completely agree. Well thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me and I wish you much success. You're in Florida. And when are you headed up to New York you know? I think I'm GONNA mostly stay in Florida this year because I've found that over the past two years of building up my business by myself when I'm also selling off Queens to make money to support the business I'm actually not haven't been able to grow to the number of colonies that I'd like to have for this business to be financially sustainable for me without traveling back and forth and I think I think the number is somewhere between three and five hundred colonies. I know I'll get to that number faster if I mostly stand Florida but I do plan to go up to New York and see the bees there and bring some more views. Nair and continue to build connections action that area very very cool. We wish you much success with everything and keep keep chasing those storms. Thank you so excited to have talked to the awesome. Well thanks. That was really good. You Know I. I would love to spend a day chasing Queens. Her I she just was a fountain of Information. I think would be wonderful time. She's really keen on having people visit her in the yard. She's really a wonderful resource for working with both experienced and new beekeepers and helping to guide them along. She's also quite the instagram sensation. It's really. She poses hilarious videos all the time. She has one where she has a B Bikini on. That has way more than anybody should probably get for a beef photo But she's she is a lot of fun no she gets into Tiktok. That would be something different to venture. She might be there already occurs. You didn't this was a listen to. This is really but I did not really. I know her from instagram. Having no idea who she was her or or the scope of operation and you covered it pretty well Queens in the Florida and and working with Mike Palmer up in Vermont You put Sam Comfort and Mike Palmer and her in the same. You've got bet a. You've got a beekeeper who goes from eighty Z. In terms of experiences and and ability. But I got to tell you the thing. I like the best question. I would never have thought of asking anybody's what. What is your favorite pollinator Avatar? I gotta I gotTa remember. We just have to remember that question. Kirsten's I'm not gonNA jump off but a hummingbird and I've I've mired hummingbirds my whole life. I've I have humming bird. Feeders and I like to watch the males back and forth and to find Little Nessin. Whatever you WANNA be a HUMMINGBIRD POLITICS THOUGHT WAS WACO. Bats came in second but hummingbirds I and So honeybees there other things going on and we need to pay attention so good question. Good answer thank you. You're welcome. Yeah I as you know. I admire all pollinators. I'm a huge fan honeybees. Where my gateway bug and I've expanded beyond since when I was in Arizona actually had a friend who studies hummingbirds and she came because I lived on the edge of the desert because she was trying to trap females for an experiment behavioral experiments. She was doing and she had spent eight hours in tempe trying to trap hummingbirds and had not caught a single one so she came to my property which was about forty minutes outside of the city and in the first forty minutes. She caught twelve hummingbirds. Unfortunately nine of them were males so she had to release the male because she was only interested in the females. But she did. Let me hold one in my hand and you can feel them vibrating. Their is so rapid and she had to feed them every fifteen minutes. They they pretty much run on such high energy metabolism that they need to constantly be feeding and when they don't have the floor resources they really don't do very well. Wow long ago and far away. I was working at the University of Wisconsin Research Station and we were measuring insect s on on annual flowers for home gardeners extensive personnel was working with was working in Hong Gardens. And every morning. I would go out and I would. We had a row of of annuals that was. I don't know a quarter mile long and every morning. I'd I'd sweep with an insect net that whole row and one of those mornings. I caught a hummingbird and she away. She went by net. Just took less. So so I I was able to bring your in and and I held her like you get ahead there. I held her in the net and held her. Like you did in that. The vibration was and it was. It was magic for a moment and then I let her go but yeah. I know that feeling. They are incredible birds. And you really. I'm surprised you were able to net one with a net. They're very very hard to catch. They can pretty much stop on a die and take off in the opposite direction. They use trap feeders on them. Experience the hunger. This was fun I didn't know where I know Sam Comfort and I know Mike and now I know. Tuck so I hope other people gain from some of this because there was a lot of good information thanks like you're somewhat. Who Else do you have a lineup for us? Then next person. I'm speaking with Megan mail breath and then after that Mattie Oswald who did her Undergrad with Tom Seeley and is now doing a PhD at Arizona State looking at carpenter bees. She has some fascinating stories. Worked with Megan the magazine. She's She's a lot of fun and waste smart she is. We had a chance to really delve into fungicides in ESP. So it was very interesting conversation. I look forward to good. Well that about wraps it up for episode of Beekeeping Today podcast before we go. I want to encourage our listeners to raise five stars on Apple podcast wherever you download and stream the show. Your vote helps other beekeepers find us quicker as always. We thank be culture the magazine for American beekeeping for their sponsorship of Beekeeping. Today podcast and we WANNA thank our regular episodes sponsored global. Paddy's check them out at. Www DOT global patties dot com and? Finally we WANNA thank you the beekeeping today podcast listener for joining us on this show. Feel free to send US questions and comments questions at beekeeping today PODCAST DOT com. We'd love to hear from me. Well Kim Kirstin anything else you want to add before we go away. We want walk. Better be bad you know. They worked with us on our beekeepers series. And there were here today so Welcome aboard better. Be Thank you you bet. Yeah staring awesome company. They really do put beekeepers. I thanks a lot. We'll see gave soon.

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World Bee Day - Remembering Ann Harmon (S2, E30)

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29:02 min | 6 months ago

World Bee Day - Remembering Ann Harmon (S2, E30)

"Welcome to beekeeping today. Podcast presented by culture beekeeping. Today podcast your source for Beekeeping News Information and entertainment. I'm Jeff and I'm Kim. Hey Jeff and Kim. Today's sponsor is Global Patties. There a family operated business. That manufactures protein supplement patties for honeybees. It's a good time to think about Honeybee. Nutrition feeding your hives. Protein Supplement Paddy's will ensure that they produce strong and healthy colonies by increasing brood production and overall honey flow. Now is a great time to consider what type of Patty is right for your area. And Your honeybees global offers a variety of standard patties as well as custom patties to meet your needs no matter where you are globalist ready to serve you out of their manufacturing plants in Airdrie Alberta and in butte Montana or from distribution depots across the continent visit them today at www dot global patties dot com. We WanNa Thank Bee Culture magazine for continuing to presenting sponsorship of this podcast has been the magazine for American beekeeping since eighteen seventy three. Subscribe to culture today. While you're there check out be cultures beekeeping your first three years a quarterly magazine for beginning beekeepers. We also want to thank two million blossoms sponsor this episode two million blossoms as the new quarterly magazine dedicated. Protecting all pollinator insect spoke wild and manage before they disappeared. Magazine is full of beautiful photos. Informative articles learn more in our season. Two Episode Nine podcast editor Pearson trainer who is also now joining us McKay Tests Guest Co host and from visiting. Www DOT two million blossoms dot com and that is with a number to everybody. We want to welcome you to this special be World Day tribute in memory of an Harmon and Harmon was a longtime contributor to be culture magazine and a long time worker for bees and and Very involved actively in national and regional organizations with us today we have Kim Flotsam A Co host and friend and Kathy Summers From be culture and DEU Karen from also longtime east coast. Es In new and very well so do we want you lead it off with us today. I could Jeff Welcome welcome to a world be day. We are dedicating today for this tribute to an Harmon and Harmon Was Eighty nine. She passed away peacefully at home with their daughter and sons around her after a short illness She had broken a hip last year. When up one of her horses tinder against stall had gone through a lot of the Rehab et Cetera and then unfortunately broke the other hip A hospital and then there was a cascade of events. I'm so she asked to be brought home so that she could pass her last. Few days. At peace at home with her animals and with their family and grew up in the Washington DC area. She got a chemistry major from Virginia. Tech and then worked for many the ab not not many but a couple this ABC agencies in the DC area as a lab tack a Chemistry Lab Tech. She went to England near reading too when her husband was stationed over there and when she came back she elected not to Stay with the lab tech position eventually. The opposition teaching at Georgetown Day School. That's where I'm at her I was at the University of Maryland as a new professor at that point and we were giving courses in the spring like many places. Do they have the typical beginners new course? We had a crowd in This one person came up afterwards and said Gee I've got some land out in a suburban Dc and I'd I'd like to get started with bees and so we had just a little bit. I took a number down a couple three days later. I got a swarm call for swarm rather distant for May but over near where she was at an northeast I'm sorry northwest. Dc Georgetown area. And I said I call her up I said. Can you get out of class? We gotta swarm and sure enough. We did and she was so enthusiastic rather than bringing the storm back to the university I said. Why don't you take this? Why are you yeah? Well she did. She did take it. That one colony eventually grew to something like fifty colonies on suburban Maryland property. She showed up again and said Do you need help and At the university we always need help. And I said Dat JE got a lot more counties this year because of an experiment I was doing and she's she's well. Can I help manage them? They were beyond her. We had a university. Had A property out beyond the suburban area and and so she took over a managing those colonies and that year. We couldn't keep enough super on those counties She did something right a very very enthusiastic. And from that our friendship grew through the years she had an interest of with with animals had animals on our farm and made a connection through one of the agency she was working with with some veterinarians that were working on Arthritic conditions of caged animals particularly Beagle dogs and horses and with interest. I think she volunteered. I'm not sure how this happened. But she got involved with that particular project they were looking at the effects of be. Benham therapy for these animals for the movement of the animals themselves in confined within the cages that turned into a bunch of different things but in one of the things that turned into is is a her and about neurons myself and some other interested people founding up the first of what were a therapy societies in North America that initial founding was basically venom therapy for animals has now been reestablished as the a asked. Merican April therapy society a by. Md's and so so has Melded into a society. Now were directed towards beaver M. Therapy for for humans But but and her interest Help start that a whole whole effort I was involved at the time with Eas Eastern apiculture society had started at the University of Maryland. Nineteen fifty five at my urging. She Uh volunteer to be on the program for the nineteen eighty es That was then held at University of Vermont and we I said I'll take you up there. We'll we'll support your trip excetera. If you'd like to try to make this presentation about this b-b-bend Amort well she did And and really arrest is history as far as. As she has had did everything NASA can possibly imagine She was on the program the next year. One thousand nine hundred ninety one when the. As was at rutgers and that was the year that We moved what we call the. Es Master Beekeeper Program from its beginnings at Cornell University where we had initially developed the program modeled after a program that is done in England And Myself Roger Morris and some gave that initial training but Roger Morris recognized at this needed to get Beyond York state and moved it then to es the first program was offered in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and an was one of about fifty four fifty five individuals at took the testing and one of only ten that passed the EAS master beekeeper program. She came back years and years and years from that point to help train. New Master beekeepers had we were offering a short course before the ESPN and she would teach in that. Then she would be involved in the actual testing developing of the test developing of the questions when I came back to es In Two thousand and sixteen and needed to develop the test for the. As master beekeeper program after our longtime adviser Clarence Collison had retired I casually asked a g n you know back in When we started an eighty one eighty two. I'd like to see you any chance. Have those tasks? I'd like to see what kind of questions we asked when we started this thing and you know two days later she was back with the test for the first two years or es Haiti one and the Haiti to test copies of them It's amazing you could ever find anything in her files but she knew where the arrison was in her her file on her file system in her house The everyone who walked into was a virtual be filing system off of back issues of journals of books of material had been written etc Shave. Went to computer could find things a little bit easier fi on the computer. Es She continued with her interested getting up to fifty counties she took a very strong interest. In honey was honey. How could you tell the different holidays? what is this whole thing about? You know the the Tarot or of of honey of you can even identify. Hani's local locations. You can like coffee and wines. This led to her suggesting one day casually. Now we're running around doing all these Honey shows one of my responsibilities was do judge honey shows throughout the Maryland counties and she said let's train some others. I I as a great idea getting tired of his travel. To all these these counties the judge honey show and so it led to her finding a chemist another her buddies in the DC area. The three of US put on the first of a honey tasting honey judging workshop at university and so this was in the mid to late nineteen seventies. She went on to be a world class judge. She was one of the first in the. Us TO BE Certified with judging by what is called a Welsh Hani judge system a two year program That does indeed Rigorously trained individuals I to steward and under judge honey shows And herself went around the world Judging honey She took an interest in April Mondia. because they have a very large show she went to the American Beekeeping Federation and was our our our chairman for EAS and judge of the a s honey show that has become quite a extensive very large honey show as well plus honey shows throughout the region from from Maine to Florida West to Mississippi and even beyond her last Honey show judging. I believe what Ben November of last year two thousand nineteen when she judged again the Texas on a show in September. She was in Montreal as one of the judges for the April Mondia show. That was there in Montreal. The farthest she went to judge was the show that was in Korea when April Monday was in Korea. And let me finish with this is world. Be Day role. D Day was recognized by the United Nations just two three years ago. The first celebration was two thousand and eighteen. It was approved in December of two thousand and seventeen by the United Nations and the group that was leading that were A group of beekeepers from Slovenia Slovenia is One of the Eastern Country Eastern European countries that probably has the highest number per capita of beekeepers of their population estimated at one in every two hundred individuals keeps bees in that in that country while the Slovenian beekeepers were the ones that That came forward to the United Nations with a proposal that we have a world be day part of this grew out of their hosting able Monte up in two thousand and three and I believe went to that meeting that meeting as Lavinia and it was for an one of fifty. Four world. Travels on behalf of Ngos such as partners of the Americas and and and land of lakes in their and their international program. A number of these these NGOs A C- a a C. D. I. Voca You know our ASE. Abc agencies the citizens that worked for foreign affairs so she she was volunteer For Fifty Four of these assignments twenty nine countries on all continents and She wanted country she had visited was Slovenia. So I'm world. We appreciate the effort that the Slovenian beekeepers did to Bring this Recognition for B.'s. to the United Nations to get it approved and we would like to play tribute to an Rollie. She has done on behalf of AAs and as beekeepers. Now that's only touching a surface Kim Stroke back to you. I know you've had a long association with the an as well and you role as well. You've had so many different roles but Most recently as the editor of Bee Culture saw back to you. Thanks Dewey that was quite a story you have to tell. I met in. I when I was living in Connecticut in Nineteen eighty-five and in Connecticut. The President of the State Beekeepers Association which I've been elected to was also the director for es so In the fall of the in fall of eighty five I went to my first directors meeting and There was a there was a flurry of of action narrower. The were the chairman step down and at the time they had one person being secretary treasurer and she stepped down and suddenly. As was leaderless and my first meeting. I didn't know anybody there so I kind of watched Was was fairly amazed by the end of the night. We get out of their twelve thirty one o'clock but by the end of the night they chosen new chairman. They chose Bob Cole. And we were heading back to. We were staying at the dorms at the time so looking back to the dorm and is this little tiny lady walking in front of me and I'd seen her in the meeting and she she hadn't had a lot to say during the discussion but some things and so I kind of caught up to her and I said yes you guys really know how to have meetings and she looked at me and she said you know it takes a group of people a whole day to decide what time it is. I'm amazed that they got this decision tonight. And did not suffer. Fools gladly and was was quick to tell you when you made a mistake. But she did it with a smile and she had What's the word radiant smile? After that I moved to Medina I came to Medina here as editor and at the right about that time. She and Ernie minor cooking with honey cookbook and she had been writing for the magazine off and on anyway. So we've got put our heads together and she started with a regular column called harmony. I thought it was cute. She thought it was cute but she stuck with it and That was Thirty three thirty four years ago and she. I don't think she's ever missed a month with all the travels that you said she did. She'd she'd have a article in three months early because she knew she was going to be at a country and not only was she on time. She was early every month. And I know Kathy's got some things to say about that. But from an editors perspective she'd come to me and she said what do you need this month? She she wrote about honey for a while. But then you can. You know any went back to it. Every every season Christmas and Easter and things she'd have recipes but inbetween she came back. And she wrote about bees and beekeeping and beekeepers and bee meetings and be people and she come to me and she said what are you need for August? She do this in January. What do you need for August? And I'm sitting here. I'm thinking I'm worrying about the February issue and she wants to know what I want for August so She kept me on my toes. And I'd give her a subject and the beginning of June heaven August article on the topic that we'd pick and was the nice thing about an was. She didn't need editing. It came in and went right to Cathy. Who who fix it up for the magazine? I read it but I never. I never up the Red Pencil. She was she was that good when. I moved along as As Chairman or as editor. I like you join. Das and as director for Ohio eventually was elected chairman. And when you were Chairman Dewey. You had decided that there was more here than you wanted to handle or could handle and you needed a Vice-chairman so you created the physician and you pick the perfect person you pick Dan to be your chairman. Because she'd been there longer than you had And and and knew everybody and everything and could knew who to go to to get things done. When I was elected chairman. I there wasn't a moment's hesitation. I this is the person I need. I mean who better who better to have a second charge. Who knows the job better than the guy who is in charge so we picked her as as vice chairman? She stayed there for for eight years with me and then I moved on and she stayed with. Es but not as Vice Chair and then the nice thing about it was. She got her last article in on time. No early and when she came home from the hospital she dictated for very last article to her daughter. Joyce who pass it along to US So we have we have A couple of more pieces by her coming on down the road but Sure what because there's going to do without without that that contribution every month. I'm almost glad I'm not in a position to have to figure it out but She was a big part of the magazine. A big part of the S and a big part of my life will Nisar. She wrote on a mess variety of topics. That's that was was was so amazing. You say you'd come up with some sort of a topic and and she turned into a two pager in seemingly overnight but as you say she did her work it was Was well well documented. It wasn't off the off the cough. A very careful writer. I used her as my My proof reader for the honey biology in keeping a biology very very careful proofreader. She was also one of the editors for two if use of ABC an X. Y. Z. We and and she did the index for one of them I we the three of us could just you know spend the next hour listing her skills. Catherine newer one. Did you get to know our an in nineteen ninety-four at my very first? Eas and. I had known her. Because I've been doing the layout on the magazine so like you said every month article up but I met her in person that year and that year is when I met everybody in person I met. Dewey and Roger Morrison Richard Taylor. I just walked around all that week. I think with my mouth hanging open gym to and I've known about all these people because I had dealt with them every month but that was the year. I finally got to meet everybody. That was. That was exciting for me. I was slightly intimidated by an when I first got to know her if she she was just so powerful. I guess is the word I would use and being a woman in especially at that time still mostly male dominated industry is getting better. It's getting to be more of women but she never. That never seemed to enter her mind. That never seemed. She was never intimidated by anybody. She'd never let anybody slow her down or a challenger too much and across the years I really learned from her and at point and I couldn't give you a date or a time but at some point I realized that I had earned her respect and that we had become friends. We'd become very good friends and I got to be very close and we would see her. Maybe three times a year would usually see her at the federation and of course we'd see her at eas and then once in a while we bump into her somewhere. You know some other state meeting that we'd gone to or maybe H. A. S. Or something like that. So we didn't spend a lot of time together physically over the years but there was that constant between us and she one thing that always struck with me. She met my two boys at an. As at seven springs when they were middle school and she always asked about them. She always talked about my children and was always concerned about them. And what was going on in our lives and I guess if I tried to think last night as I was thinking about this what I would want people to know or remember about an she she is as Kim said she was tiny in stature but that was only tiny thing about her. Everything else in her life was big. She had big dogs and big cats and big horses and big ideas and she just do just charged ahead. She would do anything the castor to do whatever topic whatever task. We worked a lot together her and I on Eas because after she was vice chairman than I followed in her footsteps and was the next vice chairman and so we we spent a lot of time just organizing and me being able to ask for her guidance and ask her questions and even I guess I kind of thought she'd always be there she just might live forever because she was so strong. There were several times over the years. Way Back Maybe fifteen years or more. She fell off her tractor. Do you remember that Dewey and banged up. We got this phone call from Joyce okay MOMS in the hospital. Wow that's really bad. Is she going to make it while he she made it here? She came in a few years ago again. She fell off the horse and every every so often we get these phone calls of things that would take most of us out. We just be done. That'd be it you know. But here's she came back again show his came back and so this time. I thought she'd come back to. It was just more than she wanted to deal with. And right up. Until the very end she still communicated with us through Joyce and that was really comforting in really to me still showed her stamina and her personality. We sent emails and through. Joyce she would respond. That was very comforting and I will miss her a lot. I do miss a lot already. So thanks for doing this. This is a a nice way to honor her. Yeah right up until the end she was like I said Not only communicating. But she got her article in early an Amazing Lady. Yeah and so fitting to honor her. On World Day that being weather countries that she visited and April. Mondia dear to our heart as long as well as the federation as well as the a Essex. She was quite a person Kathy was saying that she kept coming back in November when she broke her hip initially when the Horse Prester initially I mean that's pretty serious for person. She was eight at the time and she came back. She did all that therapy. That you have to relearn to walk excetera so She she was a fighter she tiniest statue but but so large and life and and quite up a person for us in our an RB world. Well Kim anything you want to. I think we got three perspectives here on and that Yeah different but similar She touched all of us. And I don't think we'll ever forget her so we'll just leave it at that. She touched everyone she met. Well thank you Kathy. Do Kim for sharing your memories of an. She obviously was very very important to the be world and she will be sorely. Missed that about wraps up for the Special World Be Day tribute and Harmon and this episode beekeeping to the podcast before we go. I one thing courage our listeners. Three to five stars on Apple podcast wherever you download and stream to show. Your vote helps other beekeepers finance quicker as always. We want to think for the magazine for American beekeeping for their sponsorship of Beekeeping Today podcast and we WANNA thank regular episode sponsored Global Patties. Check them out. Www DOT global patties dot com and? Finally we WANNA thank you the beekeeping today podcast listener joining us on the show. Feel free to send question comments questions of beekeeping today podcast dot. We'd love to hear anything else. We WanNA say in the final moments. Well I think I think doing Senate it. Happy Day and Enjoy The Sun and pedal good. All right thank you.

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Dr. Samuel Ramsey - Tracking The Tropilaelaps & More  (S3, E8)

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57:45 min | 4 months ago

Dr. Samuel Ramsey - Tracking The Tropilaelaps & More (S3, E8)

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We also want to thank Bee Culture magazine for continuing their presenting sponsorship of this podcast be culture has been the magazine for American beekeeping since eighteen, seventy, three subscribed to culture today, and while you're there, check out, be cultures beekeeping your first three years at quarterly magazine for beginning beekeepers. We also want to thank. Two million blossoms has sponsor of this episode. Two Million Blossoms is the quarterly magazine dedicated to protecting all pollinator insects wilder manage before they disappeared, learn more in our season two episode, nine podcast editor, and their guest goes Huston trainer, and from visiting www dot. TWO MILLION BLOSSOMS DOT COM and is with a number two. Hey everybody thanks for joining us again Kim. We have a special guest lined up for today's episode. Doctor, Samuel Ramsey. Yeah Jeff truckee. We caught Sammy this time. He was ever in Thailand studying that another nasty might over there. And his research got interrupted with a pandemic, so we had to come home, so we got him when he was here. Yeah, that's you know. It's I guess it's a way to make. What they say, lemonade out of Lemons. As well hear. His his his shutting down his experiments and everything coming back because of the pandemic is worked out in our favor. Getting them back on the show he was out. He was on our show back in twenty eighteen a great interview, Great Show Sammy is quite quite entertaining and a friend of the podcast we look. Look forward to. See what he's found out about people apps so far. If you. Look at them on the on the Internet and Youtube Him. Well you'll see why he's so. He's so focused on stopping them before they get here. So, how's your summer going Kim You usually do a lot of meetings and well. Jeff, this is the summer of zoom. And meetings virtual meetings. Some people are still having meetings. In person and they're trying to do all of the right things, but by far the most of gone to and most of them are using zoom. As a matter of fact, I've given three talks in the last couple of weeks. many as one hundred fifty people fuse forty but it's It's always zoom, and if your group isn't using this program or one similar to it. you might WanNa. Think about about joining the joining the president in beekeepers tend to be a little slow and picking some of these things up I was and. Jeff got me going, but if you belong to an association and you're not having meetings consider. figure out how to do zoom. Yeah. It's it's it's well. It's saved the world. The world runs on Zoom Right now and they've gone from when we started using a small obscure little video conferencing. Now it's now. It's an a verb. ADVERB it's. It's A. People are zooming so yeah good words of advice. All right well this. Hold this off anymore. Our interview was Doctor Samuel Ramsey. Very, entertaining, we hope you enjoy. Well Doctor Samuel Ramsey welcome back to the beekeeping today. podcast I'm happy to have you here. Oh, it's great to be back Sammy. It's good to see you again. Good to see it to Kim. I think we crossed. We cross paths at eight, but Monday didn't think across the room I waved. I. I'm going to have to figure out something new for for these these conferences and things I feel like I am just zooming around. Different booth to all these different talks and I don't get the opportunity to really invest in conversation the way that I would like to. It's been ages since I've seen you and it still feels like it's been ages since I've seen you since I've just seen you Boondi is we hardly got? Certainly understand that meeting that was a was hectic in capital letters. Bold underline. It was fun. It was a good meeting. So Sami you have been in Thailand. Since! We talked to you last. If you have and you have been busy studying something we all need to worry about. Share. Share with us what you've been up to and what we need to know. A certainly will. So I've been studying a parasite that actually mentioned the last time that I was on this podcast, and it's the Tripoli. Lapsed. Might Tripoli lesson receipt aside and. Given that the name that I just said is one that few people can repeat back to me after hearing at once. Kind of There's somewhere out there. Somewhere, deep down inside, I've got my fingers crossed that whoever came up with the name murder? Hornets might find a good moniker for AAA laps mercy. Needs Better, marketing. Missing I don't think. The AAA lapses. Find The mercy. This is the. Well I don't I don't feel like they've quite got the marketing. So this is a parasite that. It's in the ways that it interacts with a honey bee colony. There's an. Association there, there's a connection with the development. Of the honey bees when they are at their most vulnerable, those Mites are going in causing all kinds of damage. The pretty much Varroa destructor with some steroids thrown, throated just kind of the bodybuilding cousin and I'm a little bit concerned that there's so little that we understand about this parasite currently because we're to arrive in the US. There's still so much work that would need to be done for us to really grasp. Elements of its. It's biology, its life cycle, and how best we can treat these ordinances. Can you describe the AAA lamps just compare and contrast because I think a lot of people are familiar at this point with Varroa so so trump elite apps from seaside like Varroa destructor comes in a few different varieties, so Varroa has four species, and right now we know four species of AAA laps It is a might a lot like Baruah, but about a third the size so more difficult to see. And it's sort of shaped like a pill with some very long legs all around. And it's a very very fast parasites, comparisons of so Verona's this reddish. Weird, oblong shopped parasite just sort of bumble along and move slowly Tripoli lapses a pill shaped organism that speeds along on the comb, running around back and forth it's rather conspicuous to see in colonies and causes some rather conspicuous damage. Just months into an infestation of AAA laps. You'll start to see tons and tons of the sills being uncapped as the bees go through an attempt to control the problem that a lot like parasitic Mites Syndrome in some ways. I'm so they're going through. Their uncapping the cells, but unfortunately with a lot of this uncapping this done. They don't actually kill the parasites inside. My time in in Thailand found the parasites seemed to survive this process just fine in oftentimes continue reproducing. Just as they would have otherwise. As the beezer dragging more of the they're. They're developing brood. Tripoli laps is also interesting because of these small amount of time that it spins on the adult bees, so Varroa can spend anywhere from one to I from one day to a couple of weeks, on adult peace with about an average of three days Tripoli laps spins usually less than a day on adult bees so it's really more a matter measured by hours before it goes right back into his reproductive cycle, so even though it doesn't reproduce much faster than Barreau. In terms of its ability to produce eggs and go through the the reproductive process, its population builds up so much more quickly because they don't have that lengthy refractory period that you see. Edition that makes them a lot more difficult to control because the time that these parasites our own, the adult bees, the time where they are the most vulnerable in Tripoli lapses, been smart enough to reduce that amount of time too short a period as it possibly can wow. Sammy this is This is but you just alluded to kind of is that the the life cycle is similar to raw. Yes, a female goes into cell waits until it's just before it's capped. Produces male and female offspring, the male and female offspring mate, and then if things go the way they should go, the larva emerges. They emerged with it precisely and thank you for that Jim, because I forget some. Good save their I forget sometimes there that everybody doesn't just immediately know the life cycle of a AAA last night. When you've been immersed in these things for long enough, some of these things they they just stand out to you like Oh yeah. Everybody knows jump in there right. Before the sellers cab, they reproduce very a regular rate and the cells uncapped by the adult bees, and the might go out with them. Of course is that. Now, it's precisely as you said. So Verona's life cycle. You've just kind of given the rundown for what is the typical life cycle where? The parasite will sort of right around on adult bees on the underside of their body for the most part when they're trying to find a new host, but the entire reproductive process happens under that waxed sell capic in when they're under the cell capping, they feed very regularly on the developing Brood, which is awful, because the the brute is totally incapable of defending itself, and so it's just sitting there. There as this organism feeds on, it has offspring and the offspring feed on it as well that same hole, so then so you go from having one Mike feeding their to an entire family as they develop, and then as the be finally turns into. This adult is adult. That's had allowed the nutrition removed from its body when it needed it most in its way out the miser able to leave. And if there are any adult. Daughters in that cohort, they're able to carry on this process again. They leave already made it, and so it makes it a lot easier for them to continue their reproductive processes within that county, or be flown to another one without having to meeting that's Roy and the AAA labs or are chose that's. And I've described the elements of it that are similar between the two of them, but there are some key differences, because when Barreau goes in in into one of those cells, it lays an egg in that first egg, always female, and then the next egg Sorry, the first egg is always mail in the next egg. The next eggs are all female, and so that one male. His only job is to reach adulthood before his sisters and make sure that he's able to meet with them so that they can emerge already made it it is. This is probably the part where we should warn anyone with small children. This is not quite the section of the podcast. They want the kids listening. We'll have to put an explosive label on this podcast. After that. Bout of parasitic incest. Those females can then emerge from the cells. And they can meet with. Sorry they can carry on the the process. These reproductively without ever having to meet again, which will belay laps? The interesting thing about it is that when the females enters the cell. Her aid can be a a male or female, and she can alternate between male and female eggs throughout the process and one of the reasons why she doesn't have to make sure that I egg is a male is because she's not racing the clock. She doesn't have to make sure that those females are made it before. The cell is uncapped because the males are actually capable of leaving, that sells well for Vero in the cell is uncapped. The males are not fit. Fit for life. Their bodies don't have that hard coating over them. The VARROA females have in as a result the water evaporates from their body really quickly, and they just die but the male Tripoli laps are able to leave the cells, and they avoid something really problematic that you just heard from me a moment ago. there's a very strong limit to the amount of genetic diversity that you're going to see in Varroa because they're always mating with their brothers. Now there are circumstances where two female role were will enter the same sell and produce offspring, and then the males produce. There had the opportunity to meet with females that aren't their direct sisters, but most of the time. They are only meeting with their siblings for AAA lapsed. Those males are able to leave in meet with any females that they want to creating much more genetic diversity, and allowing them to have a robust Gino that's allowed them to develop pesticide resistance to chemicals that have only been used on them very very briefly, and so if you look at the genome for trump lelaps, if you actually attempt to test pesticides on real, find that they've already, they're already showing resistance to some of the best chemicals that we have at our disposal current. I have to ask this because of our guests, Jeff. When these when these mates are feeding on these larva. Honey Bee Larva if I recall. Var Off! The raw female starts on a spot, and then all of the offspring feed at that same spot. And is that? Is that we're? That spot is on that larva. Is that where the fat body on that Larva is, so that's. THE LARVAE! That's great question. By the way the larva is pretty much all. It's kind of ridiculous, but is a sack of tons of that body, a small brain in the digestive system running through the middle. And they need so much fat batty, because the fat body is doing Sir many important processes. They're necessary for metamorphosis to happen is if you think about it, metamorphosis is doing some really like it is a complicated process to get you from being just a sack with a mouth on one end and a rectum on the other end to being an organism with wings functional is organs capable of meeting. The this much larger, much more convoluted brain. All of that reorientation is happening because the fat body is able to facilitate this process, and so you need a lot of fat tissue. It's also they're storing nutrients so when the Mites by into a section of the be what's most important for them is that they don't bite the head of the because of the calls a D-. Formation in the head they can kill their host, and if they kill their host, it can't chew its way out of the cell and allow them to be released because they don't have the to do that on their own, and so what you see from them is that as their preference is for them to then feed. Usually on the underside of the the MITES body they'll feed in the section there. That's destined to be the abdomen, but if they chose to feed on other regions of the Mites body, they would still be able to contact the fat body tissue, but something else that you've brought up there that I think is really important. Safe is that they have a fairly polite manner about them as parasites. They've they've. We're GONNA feed on this one spot and our entire family is going to beat on this one spot, and we're going to try not to disturb other elements of the organism's development body. AAA laps have no element of those those manners. They will feed on every little spot on the developing Bee's body. In every time they feed, they bite a separate hole so while rural only feed through the same hole Tripoli. LAPS keep feeding through different sections of the Bee's body, causing all kinds of damage and deformities in the process. Well that sounds like then if the be is even able to emerge, it is far less capable of of becoming a be of. Contributing to the health of the HIVE and living yeah, you want it to be. A functional member of society wanted to be capable of eventually being afford germ bringing back food nurse. Then create food for the Brood, and unfortunately, when they have been fed on by Tripoli laps the regions of their body where they're fed on, there is a section that can develop scar tissue, and so you'll have this area. The Bee's body that becomes inflexible and rather rigid, and so if that happens near a joint, the be won't be able to bend. It's leg and it won't be able to put his leg down. Actually put pressure on it for happens near where the wings are on, you'll get these odd deformities in the wings, and this is to the exclusion of viruses. This is without viruses present can cause deformities in the bees themselves and that's. Concerning so terribly lapses. Not something that that I ever want to see in the united. States, and it is my sincere hope that it never shows up here, but we also have to be vigilant as researchers as beekeepers. To make sure that we are keeping an eye out for this organism, should it ever arrive and to make sure that we have a plan for what we would do win? It arrives. Medical back to what you were just talking about. You mentioned virus and our triple APPS spreading virus like Verona. Do Trump lapses is capable of spreading viruses like Perot which is unfortunate. We have found deformed wing virus that is a very competent vector of deformed wing buyers is also a competent vector of black queen cell buyers so far. Those are the only two that we. We know that they're capable of victory directly. However, there are several other viruses out there that they have not even been tested for so we we really aren't sure. There are a lot of questions with AAA laps that have not been answered. Do they have a so? They're bad in the could be worse, do they have a preference in Larva that they feed on? The. Go to the drone. that. Control so go. We'll add to throw that out there because there was something that I i. There are a few things that wanted to say about this organism, and the two of you have just been helping me move right along. I appreciate that so the difference is the life cycle, but also the differences in their preferences I've read a few papers have even been. Part of a review where we have discussed elements of this Mites life cycle, and unfortunately as we have discussed these themes. We've been heavily reliant on. Papers that have based their understanding of this parasite on Verona's life cycle. Lot of what's been said is this parasite is a lot like zero, and so we've assumed a lot like Varroa. Does this or does that it's it. It must be more interested in drones than it is. In workers because workers have shorter developmental time. Drones have a longer developmental time. It simply make sense if Tripoli we're more interested in drones. I've seen that in papers and unfortunately. I've been one even a repeat that I've written papers. They're interested in in in drones, but my time in Thailand actually researching this organism I've found. I've seen no support for them in my own work. and I've been steadily. Collecting more and more data on this subject, and it seems like they do not have a preference for drone larva. and. That may be one of the reasons why they are so damaging so quickly to the colony because. and. This also might be difficult for people to hear but. The. Men in the colony are really doing much. They have a purpose. Day they they are, they are a part of the divine plan for bees, but they don't do very much inside of the colony, and so if you are going to cause substantial damage to the colony, you damage the workers and win there aren't that many drones in the colony in Varroa move into the. The worker Brood in the worker Brood is all that they have access to. They can cause pre substantial damage pretty quickly without that buffer of of drones to soak up some of that damage. with AAA lapsed Merseyside we find them in the drone brood. We find them in the worker Brood, but I've found colonies had. Greater, than forty or fifty percent. Of. Their worker Brood infested with AAA laps Mites and you cannot have a functional colony with parasite that damaging constantly destroying. You're developing offspring. A big big question Sammy. How are these people keep in Biz? It begs. Uncomfortable questions. I will say I've been working in Thailand for several months to try to better understand this parasite and this was. A study funded to specifically answer the question that Kim just throughout their beekeepers have funded this project. And through the help of beekeepers. We raised enough money for me to be able to go to Thailand and understand this organism and something that I've wanted to understand is how are bees existing with AAA laps present in those colonies how our beekeepers making a living producing honey? How are they doing anything with these parasites present so. I will tell you now that. The News isn't wonderful here, but. Beekeepers do a lot of walkaway splits. In areas where AAA lapses present, a lot of what I've seen in Southeast Asia is a constant splitting of the colony and removal of the Brood which is going to. Very much slow down the progress of the colony, the buildup of the colony in the productivity like how much honey they're capable of producing wax. If you're if you're interested in. Their wax production all of that takes a hit when you're constantly removing the next generation from this process, but when they see the mites begin to build up becomes imperative that they get rid of what the Mites need in order to their life cycle, and so they removed the Brood. And you have these colonies that have to build back up again, and that gives you a few months of buffer time to play with and sometimes just a couple of months of buffer time to play with before you have to do it again now. That makes perfect sense when you said earlier. Is that the time that they spend outside of the cell is very very short. So, if you go Queen Louis for. twenty one days or whatever you've gotTA. You've got a really really. An advantage, they're doing that. Of course you don't have any more BS being produced, but at the same time you have. Hot Well. How many! How? How? How much of the A mildly infested colony and you walk away Split, and you let them raise their own queen in that takes by the time she start laying what twenty four twenty five days. How many of the the MITES will perish in that time? In that time, you can expect that pretty much that virtually all of the Mites in that colony are going to perish, because they do not seem to be able to survive for more than a couple of days without brewed on the adult depopulation. It's very possible that are simply not able to feed for Oh destructor has a body that is designed specifically for them to be able. Able to wedge themselves between the plates that make up the bee's body, so they can access the most nutrient dense tissue in the body. They get a lot of nutrition by being able to climb onto the abdomen. Go between the plates of the abdomen, stick their mouth parts there and feed on on that bees fat body. Tripoli laps. Don't have that ability. They're shaped. Odd till shape to their body, the doesn't allow them to which between the plates, it also doesn't allow them to hang on very well when the Beezer and flight, and so they don't hang on well to forager's They don't seem to do well hanging onto two nurses, and they don't seem to be able to feed on them, so they're pretty useless in this phase when they're on the adult population as part of the reason why they it seems like they are moving in the direction, evolutionary of eliminating it all together, but it's not something that just happens in one quick out. There is a refreshing news. There is a natural defense. Beekeepers can use without having to use poison. That is very true us. Do they use any poison over there? They do so. There are several different chemicals that are used but unfortunately. A lot of them are too expensive for most of the population to be able to afford on a regular basis, and so people have been experimenting with a lot of a lot of oils there which fortunately are less damaging to the bees in a number of ways, but lemongrass oil is one chemical that is That is used there. The one that I've been both fascinated by an perplexed by was the usage of format acid there because a lot of the beekeepers have told me that their method for controlling this parasite is to actually take. These wouldn't paint stirs so the same kind that you can get from like a home depot or Lowe's. They'll take these wooden paint stirs. Soak them in industrial grade Forma gasset which you can get from. These these shops that supply. Plantations the rubber plantations their use it to cause the rubber to conceal They soak these sticks in this fairy concentrated format gasset. It's so concentrated. You cannot be near this stuff. When you open the CAP, it will burn your eyebrows off. It's very concentrated stuff. They soak it overnight, and then slipping into the front of the colony and I have a video. That I showed if myself. And a few. A couple of people who I was working with were inserting these into the fronts of colonies and the immediate reaction that you get from the bees, the bees hate it. They fall all over themselves to get out of the entrance of that colony. The second you slide those things in there. It looks ridiculous, but it is effective because you're not so worried about the adult population of bees, the adult population beezus getting out, but the the brood that stuck in there. They are constantly being exposed to this vapor. This vapor that is functioning as few again in is able to penetrate those waxed sell. Camping's getting there and actually killed the mites below the capping have worked very hard to actually verify. Since I was going through in my thirty-six colonies in Thailand every single week. We're going through a frame out of the colony. Looking at the number of Mites that were dead below the capping and I've got some pretty solid. We weren't able to finish the full data set because unfortunately covid nineteen had other plans for where I would be this year. But we're able to to see that this form of acid works. To Kill the below the capping, unfortunately, it is just harsh on the bees themselves very harsh. You can kill because the dosage itself is not. Regulated in this If you have would that happens to be a bit more porous, it can absorb more of the Forma Gasset, because the release of it is not in any way, standardized different levels of heat can cause it to be released more quickly or more slowly. You just really don't know what you're getting and just sliding these paints tres into the colony, but it does work. How long do they leave him on just? Just takes about a day and usually they're spent after that. Not that I am regularly. As a as the United, States Department of Agriculture, researcher. Can vary abundantly. Clear that I am not recommending this to anyone we do actually have options are disposal for the application of formed acid that are standardized that are substantially less dangerous to us and the bees, and it would be much wiser to have those at your disposal. They're just more expensive, overseas and actually and we're talking about. Trump allows to so. Yes fortunately, we're not dealing with that yet. I was going to mention that. Though we do have we do have a a routine that works with bees and and our mites that we could probably easily. Easily! Easily but it would certainly worked for both at the same time. Well now. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to going to have to problem at that particular assumption. There can because I liked that. I liked that you're thinking about that. What could we do quickly if AAA laps arrived where we'd be able to potentially eradicated or control it at least bring it under control. The problem is that even though the differences between its life cycle and burrows last cycle are subtle. They make all the difference the fact that so we wouldn't be able to to use the typical drone trapping measures that have discussed earlier because they don't have that attraction to the drums, but what about other methods that we could potentially modify? US, amateurs turns out it seems like they're actually they've actually developed some level already to amateurs, and it's not an effective measure to begin with, because amateurs targets the population of the Mites that are on the adult bees so I've been going through and looking at more and more and more of our measures that we would potentially attempt to modify from zero to use against. Against AAA laps and it turns out the vast majority of what we use in terms of chemicals target the population on the adult bees. We have very few measures at our disposal. They're capable of penetrating the capping and going after those nights, and that's the reason why I was testing for acid while in Thailand in looking at its effectiveness because that would likely be. One of the best options at our disposal, or at least it's something in our toolbox that would potentially have some effectiveness against this parasite a. we don't have a lot of other options aside from that. Now something else that I. also tested in this process was These heaters that can actually be used on the colonies they'll, they can heat the colonies, and as a result of. This difference between the amount of heat that the adult bees are capable of dealing with and the amount of heat that these Mitra capable of dealing with there's a difference there of of several degrees, and so that gives you something to play with where you can actually kill the mites without killing the brood or the adult bees, and that is also an effective means of impacting on these nights. I am still collecting data on this and will need to return to Thailand in order to finish this project, but preliminary work. On that both of those options show some level. In killing these parasites now have actual numbers for you the next time you see me. That's amazing. You you. You've been doing your work in, Thailand. Where else are these Mites? So the mice are distributed throughout Southeast Asia and that was their original. Location in the world unfortunately. Some, very enterprising trouble elapsed might just decided one day. You know what? I want to see the world and it of struck out on its own. It stopped just feeding on the Asian Bees and transferred over to Apis Melissa. I'm because Apis Melissa is managed all over. The world is organism has been able to move from country to country to country, and that's the reason why it's kind of got people up in arms because we're. We're worried about where it could end up next, so seen them. Start making their way out of southeast, Asia. Asia they are found in other regions of the world now, so South Asia They are now found in Korea where they were not found before they have relocated to areas of Bangladesh and India, and seemed to be making their way toward the Middle East and so there are concerns about the The ability of this might to move from country to country to country and one of the greatest concerns that we've seen there is that these mites seem to be? They seem to be. Finding ways to just kind of undermine our expectations of them, because we thought that these mites would not be able to deal with winter. That was our saving grace. We said Vero was able to spread because Varroa are able to deal with cold temperatures because they can. They can live on the population of adult bees when there is no brewed in the colony. AAA laughs doesn't have that ability, and so totally left will not be able to survive winters. We will be totally fine over here in the US with our frostiness for a substantial portion of the year. We won't have to worry about these parasites. And then they moved into China and Korea and we started getting really nervous because they weren't supposed to be able to do that. Apparently, they didn't read any of the papers that we wrote about. They had no idea what the rules were and I. I think that now that we've seen that. This organism is adjustable enough to be able to to to thrive in Korea in China. We really need to be thinking through how we would handle. Them potentially showing up in our world. You know how they're surviving. The winters in the northern latitudes don't know yet, so that's one of the questions that I was over there to better understand. It they're these organisms are absolutely fascinating so something. That I've been trying to understand my time. There have had a few questions I'm attempting to answer. How were they surviving the winter? That's a big question because this parasite is pretty wild, one of the things that's rather wild about it if you go back to so. If you're listening to the the first appearance I had on this podcast. All you you beekeeping today regular listeners. Back in twenty eighteen November. Yeah, remember. Who that was so young. Work. You may have heard me talking about how. Something that is is fascinating when you are. Researcher is going back to the earliest papers that have been written about an organism to hear how this creature was described. What are some of the things that when we didn't know pretty much anything about it? What were some of the first things we discovered about these creatures well, if you go all the way back to the very first story of AAA laps, you find that in the scientific literature. It was described as a parasite rats. And this weird spiny rat Mike Creature. was found on rats and. Continue to be considered a parasite of rats for almost a decade before. Before the record was corrected. And I think that is really important to us. Understanding what is going on with this parasite now because there are a number of parasites that actually used to different hosts as a means of navigating different elements of the creatures, life cycle, because the bees that does Paris is originally from so trump laps was originally a parasite of Asian. HONEYBEES, specifically giant honeybees in giant honey. Bees are migratory species, and because these parasites don't hang on well in flight it. It seems to be the case that as these BS relieving these minds were left behind on the cone, else possible that during that portion of the year those parasites were then utilizing creatures like rats as what we call a secondary or alternative host in so if that is the case, then that may be their means of surviving periods where there is no brewed in the colony periods like the winter, if they're capable of actually leaving attaching to an alternative host using that organism as a source of warmth and potentially food throughout a period like the winter. That may actually answer our questions, so that's a hypothesis. That I've been looking to trying to better understand this creature. And that that curiosity about the earliest elements of an organism scientific history, I, think has served me well enough. Union the Study of Aurora, determining that it's actually feeding on fat body that I'd like to see if it'll actually serve me again. With destroyed collapsed parasite. Before you left Thailand. You had certain. Notions, certain ideas you're, GONNA look at. Once you got there and got on the ground and start looking at it. What surprised you the most what? Thought changed? The most for you. Also great question out wet thought changed the most for me. Just when I first got to Thailand and started studying this parasite, I had some ideas about it's You know what when I first started studying Tripoli laughs. I was very worried that this organism, the ways that it infiltrates the Brood, the ways that it seems to have this this damaging impact on bees without actually without needing the the the elements of of viral components to cause deformities. I was really worried that the bees themselves wouldn't. A very effective means of controlling this creature. Innately available to them. But I've found that the Asian honeybees. Seem to have a number of mechanisms to control this parasite. And APIS Melih Fra, even as as much as it. It seems to be vulnerable to parasites. In general, these organisms are trying. They are working very hard to find these parasites on. They seem to be able to to to detect them below the capping, and so they're running around capping cells. There seems to be something in them that. That that knows that there is enough of a problem. It seems almost like the evolutionary arms. Race here is being fought on both sides in the bees are trying, and so it is my hope. That what I'm seeing, there is an emerging evolutionary defense against these parasites, but another problem that I don't think people often recognizes that evolution tends to take. A very lengthy period of time. And so, that was the first thing. I guess that's more about the bees than it is. The parasites but that was the first thing that really occurred to me here. Is that on the bees themselves are trying, and if we can find ways to help them along in this process, that may be helpful. Also For Tripoli laps themselves. I think. What surprised me a fair bit about them. Was So. I developed a means of actually peering into the cells while the MITES and the bees are developing. I've created a a half wax half glass sell. That kind of allows me to be an eavesdroppers on this process. Normally everything that goes on. There is kind of a bit of a mystery. All we can do is uncapped. The cells at different periods in say after twenty four hours. This is what it looks like. After forty eight hours is what it looks like, but we stop all the behaviors that happened there where we uncapped sell, but being able to peer down into it and look at what's going on into the cell itself and actually record those behaviors Do you start to see some really fascinating things here? And something that really struck me about Tripoli lapses. That actually doesn't seem to be that great at its job. The most surprising thing to me about AAA lapses that it doesn't seem to really know what it's doing as well as Rodas borough is life cycle several elements of its biochemistry are very very very well fine tuned for them to be with bees. Everything that they do is just connected with some element of the bees development aaa laps seems to be very early in its evolutionary development on bees, and as a result of that, it's doing a fair bit of trial and error itself and a lot of times. You will see error when Tripoli elapsed. Go into these cells a lot of the time. They don't produce offspring. There are there's just something that doesn't seem to be stimulated in them to allow them to actually produce offspring in this process, and there's a lot of waste going on as they go back and forth something that. I try to acclimate people to when I'm giving talks about parasites is to let them know that there is a difference between a parasite and appears toy. A. Parasite is an organism that feeds on a creature. And utilizes it sometimes even as a home. I want to kill that creature. What we often think about as a parasite. We're thinking about Paris toys. We think about the creatures from alien that are described as parasites, but they're not that is the Perez avoid any organism that needs to kill its host in order to develop that is paranoid, and so there are wasps that fly around Stinger Caterpillar and the baby. Wasp will develop inside the Caterpillar. Then burst out of his back. while. The relationship that you see there is one that is fine tuned for specifically that sort of connection, but a parasite is a bit different, because it wants to keep its host alive, so it can complete its life cycle so that it's babies can potentially use that that host as an option. Varroa is a parasite on its original host in April Serena The original host for. These systems have this system generated between each other. They've brokered a deal that allows for even though it's a parasite, even though it's a problem in the colony, it's not such a big problem that actually leads to the death of these organisms, and you can usually judge. How fine tuned a parasite host relationship is by how usual it is that this parasite will cause the death of the hoax win. A parasite is in its natural setting the way that it's supposed to be. It usually will not kill it. Toast Tripoli laps pretty much always kills its host. And it is very bad at maintaining itself out within the colony, just overruns the colony it destroys it. It behaves more like a pair of toyed than it does appear site and that is a testament to the fact that it is not really developed the fine tuned relationship that we usually see after years of millions and millions of years of evolutionary time. It's off season relationship. It has with rats. sensually. Wow! So you're going back now, you're going back to Thailand. How soon do you think you can get there? Every time I think that I might be able to go back. There's more and more information that comes out about Kobe nineteen them believing that it probably won't be until some time next year. wral actually be able to go back actually having to leave was. Financially. And scientifically a difficult decision to make when the State Department released travel advisory and upgraded things to a level four travel advisory. I was thinking to myself. You know what I'm right. In the middle of the last round of experiments I've spent a substantial amount of money buying scaling up to this huge this this very large size production that we've got here with all of these colonies at by each one of the colony's myself at the bio, this equipment to use on them. These gas detectors to measure concentrations of gases inside the colonies at. It was a lot and having to cut things in the middle. Add to. Give the keys away. To figure out what to do with the equipment I couldn't just leave it in Thailand, so all of this equipment had to be shipped back in order to get it shipped back in time that costs thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. It was a lot all at once and so now in considering going back. It's not just the quick decision. Well, I have on a plane. Take all of those things back now got pay ship. All of that heavy equipment back to Thailand the microscopes. The now the gas detectors, their special regulations for. If you want to ship chemicals, there's a whole different shipping system for all of that giving it. They're getting it set up again. And buying all the colonies necessary, it's going to run a substantial amount of money. That wasn't in the original budget for this project, so it looks like I am going to have to figure out how to under this project again in order to finish the rest of the process, and so not only do I have to wait until the COVID. Nineteen situation gets worked out on the world wide scale, which could take some a substantial amount of time as we attempt to develop a vaccine. I have to figure out the financials of it is. Do you still have your go fund me up for this I do so it might go fund me I might need to update. Stopped. Because yeah. Maybe relying on that sort of help again, I really appreciate that beekeepers got so invested in this process to the point where they felt like stakeholders in this. They're like you know. These? Are Bees they're important to all of us whether people know it or not. Those bees are putting food on your table on everyone's table. And, so the ways that beekeepers really jumped in and decided to fund this project. It honestly changed my direction of of my life at that point in the way that I think about science because I, I love how invested people become in these processes when they have their own set of input other financially, but when they can also hear about how a project being built from the ground up I, talked about this on the the beekeeping today podcast last time about this project, and then heard more people become interested in this, and I'm semi messages about how much they wanted to to see project. Go forward, and I may have to. Undertake a a a a new round of that, but also there are wonderful options available. Through things like the National Science Foundation national, geographic and other things I'll avail myself, too you so that things won't be entirely connected with on the fundraising process, which is stressful and. The work that you've been able to accomplish in the last couple of years. To pro, you know that that in itself is a self promotion and helps. Fund going forward. Yeah, so we only have a few minutes left. What are you working on next? Before you go back to Thailand what are you? What is he working on the next year? Great question so I am working on two different projects at the moment. I'm working on a means of adapting. The discoveries that were made about Roy feeding on fat body. To figure out how best we can utilize that against Roe, and so we've been working on better understanding this for some time now we'll be. Putting out some some research into publication of. Some elements of that that that we've been learning about because the fat body has a number of proteins. That the MITES themselves need in order to initiate reproductive processes in their own bodies in disruption of the mites ability to process these proteins or even The their ability to utilize these proteins in their own bodies. Can Be an effective means potentially. Of keeping the Mites from continuing their reproductive processes, and if they can't reproduce well, then, their population can't grow in eventually dies out some we're working on A. Not only better understanding how the might do this, but better understanding how we can impede the MITES during this and future. That's something that I'm hoping can even potentially be adapted towards usage against the AAA laps might since so we're. We're looking at that as well the summer. I am also continuing to work on the work. I was conducting in Thailand in the US on Varroa. So as optimize elements of the system that will allow me to hit the ground running when I returned to Thailand, but will also allow for comparisons with burroughs life cycle the ways that we originally described rose life cycle required. A lot of work in opening the cells and looking inside then. Ask. Some researchers with the Swiss be Latte came up with this amazing idea to take pictures throughout the life cycle using plastic cells. And I've adapted some elements of that system to make it a bit more cosy for the Mites using. Wax For most the cell and just glass for the top of it. Allowing me to appear through NC inside, but now I want to do that with Barua in see what elements of the description of the life cycle of Verona may need to be updated on. What can we learn from seeing the entirety of the process of Verona's development on on on developing bs that can then be compared with AAA laps this so that we can compare contrast and better understand what we're working within this person. So. That's what I'm working on. Now win. I. Am able to go into the lab, but unfortunately there there's not a lot that I can do from home so really right now. Working on writing up my research that I could back and be disseminated to the public and counting the days until the state home order is over, and I can continue my research in. Yeah, yeah, we're all working whom? Totally off topic, we're talking about a little bit before. What's new in the Music Front? You used you plan you doing anything recorded anything. Well, so, what's new on the music frank? This might just be the kick in the pants. Because, I haven't updated my music channels in ages, but while I was in Thailand. Actually recorded some music in. so I love time music and I was working on a song recorded. It did a little bit of a video for it and just never put it online, which is ridiculous. So I should actually put that out there but I also sang a song that I used to hear a lot when I was a kid. That I would also like to put online. It's when I sang at. One meeting was this. ooh, I don't WanNa say the. One of the large. Sing at the banquet and. Give some presentations and I. I sang at the Bank. Rates colors of the wind, and I really wanted to put that that version of it, but my own I'm version online as well and so. We'd be glad to help you with that. I, mean you guys have all the recording equipment? Thank you. Jeff has got some serious. Jeff is we can yes, well Mike. You got a nice Microsoft there. Yeah, we some we. We've got some stuff. We can use them we can. Jeff can we jam next time? Let's do that. You, Kim. Do you play anything now? I listen. To the radio. Anything else. Can we LET SAM get back? Get back to work. I'm exhausted listening. What a story Sammy thank you so much for being with us today bringing us up to date once you get back or the next time you have time ring us up and we will get you back here to finish the story we will. For sure I really appreciate that Kim. I really appreciate. Getting the opportunity to talk more about the research that I'm. Fun Time really appreciate it and look forward to having you banks emmy, the great thanks a lot. Thanks a lot thinking. I I'm I'm lost for words. This was A. Pretty Amazing in. AAA laps. That's a scary thing. Exhausted staffer having listened to it. I can't imagine having to do with it on a daily basis although some of what he had to say today, what Sami had to say today sounded like there's like be something good on the horizon so. I think with folks like him. with him looking at the problem, we might have a chance and the one thing that We want to remind people of the he's gotTa go fund me. Thing up there and you can get to it from our web page to help him pay for his next trip back and his next back is got to be made because we got to solve this problem before it gets here. Yeah. We don't want those things here. We're talking offline with Salmon I was telling him that. There are youtube videos. The AAA laps on comb and a Scudder skit scattered. They run around on edge comb very fast I mean he did mention about. The zero is kind of lumbers, tumbles along on the on the larva, and it's kind of like a big papa bear, just kind of lumbering along. AAA laps. They are like they're on crack. They're on. They're on speed. They're just all over that one hundred miles an hour. It seems in the first thing I thought of just having all of those on my hands and. That gave me the willies I'll be I'll be straight up about that I. wouldn't those in my in my? Scared me. I'm GONNA have nightmares. I I hope you don't sleep well, Jeff will. This is good. This was good I. I hope people listened in enjoyed it because it was fascinating. Yeah it was. It's always a treat. Ham, Sammy on the show. Well that about wraps it up for this episode of Beekeeping Today podcast before we go I want to encourage our listeners to raise five star on apple podcasts. Wherever download streaming show. Your vote helps other beekeepers find this quicker. Be Culture the magazine for American beekeeping from sponsorship of this episode. We also want to thank our regular episodes sponsored global patties. Check them out www dot global patties dot com, and finally we WANNA. Thank you, the beekeeping today podcast listener, joining us on the show feel free to questions and comments at questions at beekeeping today PODCAST DOT com. We'd love to hear from you anything else Kim. Wraps it up. Jeff was a good day. Yeah, it was well. Thanks a lot. Say.

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Weird Bee Behaviors - Dr. Rachael Bonoan with Kirsten  (S3, E13)

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Weird Bee Behaviors - Dr. Rachael Bonoan with Kirsten (S3, E13)

"Welcome to beekeeping today podcast presented by be culture beekeeping today podcast your source for Beekeeping News Information and entertainment I'm Jeff, I'm Kim. And I'm Kirsten trainer. Today's sponsor is Global Patties, there a family operated business that manufacturers protein supplement patties for honeybees. It's a good time to think about honeybee nutrition feeding your hives protein supplement patties will ensure that they produce strong and healthy colonies by increasing brood production and overall honey flow global offers a variety of standard patties, as well as custom patties to meet your needs. No matter where you are global is ready to serve you visit them today at www dot global patties, dot com. Hey thanks a lot sherry. We also WANNA thank Bee Culture magazine for continuing their presenting sponsorship of this podcast. Culture has been the magazine for American beekeeping since eighteen seventy three subscribe to be culture today, and while you're there, check out be cultures beekeeping your first three years a quarterly magazine for beginning beekeepers we WANNA thank two million blossoms sponsor of this episode two million blossoms as the quarterly magazine dedicated to protect an all pollinator insects both wild end manage before they disappeared learn more in our season two episode nine podcast with editor anarchists, Co host, Kirstin trainer, and from visiting www dot two, million blossoms, dot com, and that is with a number two. Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining US Hi Pearson Night Jim, they have a great show lined up today with Pearson who talking with your. I had a chance to sit down and talk with Rachel Minoan. She's a fascinating honeybee scientist who is then moved into studying puget butterflies and is now moving to Rhode Island, where she will once again be fascinated with honeybees and all the beasts she can find they're. Looking forward to that interview. What about you can what he'd been up to well I think maybe a little bit. Later, we'll talk about harvesting some honey. Minded to take some off because running out of boxes so let's just bring that up later let's get to Kirsten's guests. I'm kind of anxious to hear her before we get to the the interview. Let's talk about the harvesting honey how much money did you have to take off? Well, I've got four boxes on each hive and I wanted to take to off. and. This year I moved all of my. Say moved on my beards I moved my hives around my backyard. Let me put it that way. I used to have them in one place and got him in another and it makes a difference because I use a leaf blower to get the bees out of the super and where do you blow them and and you don't WanNa Bowman brush and you don't want him boom against trees. So you've gotta be you know you got to kind of pick and choose so. That was the first thing I had to figure out, and then I had needed a mile and a half of extension cord because I use an electric bill. It worked out pretty well. And I can I can push them far enough away where they don't run into anything and and and then grabbed the box and get it undercover and I brought to into the garage out of out of six supers. Wow had. What about you Kirstin? So we've been we've actually brought on some nukes this year and I'm building them up. So we're not going to have honey harvest. They only had one colony when I arrived here that came through the winter kind of limping along a little bit because it hadn't been treated for Verona. And so I've I've actually been working on boosting the colonies because we got our with covert everything was shut down and we didn't get our hives till July. So I've been I've just put feed on them to try and help bulk them up a bit and the research is going well yeah everything else is going well I'm I'm loving it here in Berlin. It's a lovely city and yeah, I mean normally I would be harvesting and I I like to pull honey and breath B.'s. We'd just be brush and what I always recommend is people always wait for a full super to be full, and if you're a small-scale beekeeper, especially if you have a hand crank extractor. That's a lot of weight and a lot of frames to deal with at once. So I prefer if I have three or four hives to steal two or three cap frames per colony when they're ready and throw in the foundation, right? Right after I, take it out and then go extract those and then bring him back and then the bees can fill them up again. And I moved them in new boxes. That's at certainly light on my back. Oh, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. How do you work your Jeff? How do you? How do you harvest well? I haven't had an opportunity to harvest any hunting the Pacific northwest yet but. When I did? I always use by always use form a fume boards because I'd have a long line of of colonies I would just be working to fume boards and put one on a two on a high of and then just are leapfrogging down. And putting them in the back of the truck can and It was pretty efficient that way unless it was a really cool day so I don't know how a few more would really work here. Because you need it. Nice Warm Day and do what? Was the repellent you're using. Beagle I think or honey robber one of the two. Are. Probably both but not at the same time. I just know I wasn't allowed to bring those in in the garage they stayed outside in a plastic bag for a long time. Were you allowed in the house when you were done. I never spilled any on myself. So that was It's a good thing that way. That can be but I am curious about you're using the be blower. Did you have to put anything over the air intakes of the beast and get sucked into that? No. It's it's a leaf blowers electric and I can stand far enough away that every be is going in a different direction not towards me but away from me. So so I don't have that that doesn't take long I mean nothing's got enough power. You can empty a you can blow the bees off and I don't know fifteen seconds. You know maybe twenty and boom the super cheap and got Kathy working with me and she grabs leaf Lord I grabbed the box and bang were done. So it goes pretty fast. It's an easy way to do it. Do you run Kleenex? Letters. No. If you you ever you ever accidentally learning. You know. There's there's a outside chance that I could lose a queen doing that but when you got a Stack of boxes of seven high and you're only taking off the top two and they're both cap. The odds of the odds of losing a queen are so small and the time taken to confirm that is so large that it's it's it's a safe bet. Let me. I'd be more worried about losing me on trying to pull box number seven off the top. Well, they're all mediums they're not I don't use deep. So southern mediums is is about right. That's that's tall. Yeah I don't like ladders my periods. So I tend to I have pretty high stan so I tend to Max out at at five mediums. Well. Good. Well, speaking of honey honey bee management and honeybees Kim. You had a chance to review the DR DO CAIRNS new, book yes they sent me a copy early on and I got a chance to Get it read and evaluated. We put the We're GONNA put the review in Bee Culture magazine but I've got one for you here now if you want to hear it yeah let's listen to look. Jeff. There's one thing you can say about do Karen. It's that he never sits still he gives talks all over the country works at the Oregon State University Department of Horticulture Rights reports for a host of beekeeping educational associations and he's written over twenty book chapters. Helps with master beekeeper classes and keeps African is feasible of you. and. He writes books nine of them now. Though, definitely, educational and full of great information, his newest book, the complete be. Handbook. Isn't a hard core classroom textbook. It's fun. Colorful has both great graphics and great photos. He divided the book into basically three sections each with three chapters. Section one is the past present and future of bees where he looks at evolution bees in society and the future of bees. Section, to is all about honeybees where he looks at the history of beekeeping the honeybee itself and basic beekeeping practice today. Section three is a be lovers home and garden here is where I was surprised. Jeff. There's lots of gardening for all kinds of bees and all about honeybee products, honey, beeswax, propolis, and pollen. and. The finish was a real surprise. He put in a whole boatload of recipes using honey how to MC candles lit foam Polish and soap. I don't know where I didn't think do we had that at him but there was each chapter has a short section that sort of summarizes or sometimes highlights information in the rest of the chapter. One is always the numbers called appropriately by the numbers. Another is called you better be leave it, and sometimes they'll add a page label FAQ and sometimes a page titled Bees in the popular imagination. These pages are always a color other than white and are easy to find their full of good information even for those of us who a bit this. Do we have which has over fifty years now fifty years. Wow. In the back there are measurement conversions, temperatures conversion. Fahrenheit to Centigrade weights, announces and grams a page of resources, a list of beekeeping books for those more inclined and thanks for mentioning the backyard beekeeper. Do appreciate that. And trustworthy Internet sites and he find any finishes with all of the references sorted up by which chapter he used them for. This is a book you should have on your shelf, Jeff, because it has all the right information and it would be the perfect gift for someone who is interested newbies. Thanks a lot Kim that's get into the interview Kirstin and Rachel. Nolan. Welcome to be keeping today a podcast on all things pertaining to B.'s. I'm guest host, Kirstin trainer editor of two million blossoms protecting our pollinators. Today I've invited Dr Rachel Bannon to chat with me about these misbehaving. Well they're not really misbehaving, but they do some pretty weird things like drinking dirty water and chowing down on me. Rachel welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to chat with you today. So you work as a biologist and ecologist you your studies of bees have taken you into some very diverse places and made you aware of some unusual behavior. What is the weirdest thing you've encountered? So. I might be the wrong person to ask about weird be things because I think all be things are cool. And as a biologist I dive into the animal behavior, I try to find. Explanations but one of unruly fun be behavior that I like to chat with people about and people tend to notice on their own is if you see a Bumblebee on a flower and you go up to it very closely, it might raise its middle leg. And some people there are pictures you can google this on twitter and instagram with people giving the be a little high five. Since. They touch their figure to the middle leg and they get excited about it but that's actually a behavior. It's a back-off behavior. So one of. Raises its middle leg it means it's really aggravated with you. Okay. So it's a little bit like a cat again it's. All right Ackley. So it's it's kind of a leave me alone behavior Okay. Again, I don't know if that's weird 'cause I think it's cute. No it's super cute. It's super cool. I'M NOT GONNA. Try. Hi Darcy with a with the Bumblebee but. It's very sweet though. It sounds really adorable. We've all seen B.'s slurping up water from pools and murky ponds even when we provide them with nice clean water, what's up with that? So, this is one part of my PhD. Probably the most fun part of my PhD is investigating why honeybees prefer the Sturdy Water and I've heard some fantastic stories from beekeepers about the dirty water sources that there be go to a pretty well known behavior. I've heard share some of the share, some of these dirty. I'm fascinated. I've heard cow pice beekeeper dairy farm. Beekeeper once told me this is word for word. The beekeeper told me he saw one of his bees on a cat turn. I met a beekeeper from Louisiana, and after they boiled crawfish, they dumped the salty water down the driveway in the bees went absolutely crazy for it. Interesting compost piles are big ones. Swimming pools people always noticed that. But yeah, a lot of feces I've heard, which is super. There's actually I. Think it's from Sackett back in one thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen where they found honeybees checking out a an outhouse and they were worried that it would be away for transmitting disease. So they started looking at honey of antibacterial properties in a bunch of other stuff to see if bees could be transmitters of I guess. FECAL diseases. Yeah. I mean, this is where my research really stemmed from and I'll get to why they drink dirty water in a second but. I was working with an undergraduate at Tufts and she was keeping the bees and I was in the library reading about bees and she called me in a panic because. We keep our bees near facilities on top of the university campus because it's the only place a let us keep stinging insects on a college campus basically. Until there's some, there's some Yucky stuff back there puddles and cement and cinderblocks and old truck parts. And the Beezer drinking from some pretty gross looking puddle. So she called me in a panic thinking the bees were going to be sick. And so we will watch some of the puddles we were keeping observation hides at the time. So I opened up the hives. They looked totally fine and I literally typed into Google do like dirty water. And what I found were to really old studies and a bunch of beekeeping forums asking the question asked. So that's why we started looking into it. As we also thought, the bees were going to get sick. But it turns out to the old studies. The one you just mentioned, and then there's also one from the nineteen forties. Okay that looks on looks at distinct from cow Dung urine and something else I think and what they found is the bees always liked the cow. So the bees always like the stinky water. Started seeking so But. Okay. That doesn't really. So my tells how they're finding the water right? They can sniff out, but it's not really telling US why why come back to this, right? What we perceive as a disgusting water source. And so we broke the water sources down into different salt solutions. Okay. Though sodium which is table salt were all used to that. They're also different types of salts, calcium, potassium, magnesium and we these minerals that we need in our. Diet. Okay. So we broke the water down into these different salt solutions. We trained the honeybees to drink from little plastic tubes of the Salt Solutions, which is actually Quite, easy to do in the fall when you're not competing with flowers and a little bit more difficult to view in the summertime. We had a lot of undergrads learned about the trials and tribulations of fieldwork that summer, but we did it. And we watched the bees drink from these different salt solutions and what we found. Is, their preferences for salt solutions differs based on the season. And with whatever flower what flowers are available. So okay no matter what no matter. What's flowering or what season it is bs love water with sodium in it. Okay and it's not shocking because most plants. So any kind of herb or anything that eats plant matter is usually lacking in sodium because don't have a lot of sodium in them. interesting. Okay and so this makes sense. So the bees are likely going to water sources to look for sodium when their plants don't offer that up but the coolest part and maybe the weirdest if you're not be person. Is, their preferences change when we look at calcium potassium and magnesium. And these three minerals they really like them in water in the fall. So they're coming to drink water with potassium calcium and magnesium in the fall, but not so much in the summertime, and so what we did is we collected pollen from Arby's so we trapped pollen as they're bringing it back to the hive and looked at what minerals are in the palm. So what minerals are they actually getting from their floral diet? They're not getting any sodium which like I said wasn't a surprise. And in the summertime. They're getting more potassium, calcium, and magnesium. Then in the fall from the pollen from the column, which is Super. Cool. But. The calcium actually I misspoke there in the summertime, they're getting more potassium and magnesium in their pollen than in the fall. And so they're supplementing those two minerals in their diet. But surprisingly in the fall, they're getting more calcium. So in the fall, they're getting a lot of calcium from their flowers in they're going to water sources with calcium. Cool So, this is super interesting to us because when you look at the grass in our paper there just it's so it's just so obvious the calcium levels in or super low through most of the summer, and then there's this huge spike. In the fall and that's in the pollen and in the vs themselves. So he took even a step further and looked at the different minerals in the FBI's. And what we think is happening with the calcium. Is, it's it's an important mineral for muscle movement and as you know, one of the ways while the only way. These get through the winter is by vibrating their muscles. Those muscles. And so we think this calcium. Intake from their pollen and from their water in the fall is a way in which they're preparing to over winter, which is cool. And did you analyze the pollen to figure out the plant species to know if it's coming in from the? Goldenrod or astor's or that is a fantastic question we did. But that data is still in progress Genetic data is it's a big data set So I do have some information on what flowers were not necessarily flowering but what is the bees were collecting pollen from Okay. During that time. So TVD on that. Okay. I. Will have speak to you again sometime soon after after the next paper comes out so. But, you've also had some experience with with not non honeybees including vulture bees, and so before our listeners conjure up horror stories of bees, taking a nip off their bodies, can you tell us more about this fascinating be biology? Yeah. So TRAPEZE are super cool. Again, most people might think they're weird. But I. Think they're awesome. So honeybees get their protein from pollen or just talked a lot of Mo. Mowlam. vulture bees, which are a type of single species in the tropic get their protein from meat. Okay. They're really important decompose irs in the tropic in this way, because a lot of the meat is carrying or dead animals. Okay. So they're really useful. They're not scary They're also stinky. So they don't sting they do they can bite which is annoying but they don't stink so it doesn't hurt. well, I mean some of them they have suicidal. Stainless bees that will bite you and not like. I I haven't I haven't had a chance to work with sting speeds yet, but it is not as sweet as we imagined there definitely not and it's interesting I've worked with them twice now three times actually and it's Their Fair moans just seemed so much stronger than Honeybee Fair Mon so. Nick Doren I. We've done vulture bees while stateless stuff in Costa Rica twice, and the first time we tried marking the bees with a little paint, the beast squeezer, little sponge plunger. A lot of beekeepers can use to mark queen out. We marked one stainless be with this little squeezer and minutes later, the thing was like swarmed. By a ton of other things fees and I've never seen that in honeybees or bumblebees like it was crazy So I do think they hope from the paint. Used a paint marker. Yes and they swarm squeezer with the paint marker. So I think there are definitely stronger as far as someone bad is here. But with your fees, we didn't mark them and we studied them while they were foraging rather than at their home so they didn't really care. For their important decompose for the tropics, they collect protein from meat and there's two types of vulture bees. There are true vulture bees which are obligate neat forgers, which means they only get protein from meat and they have modified curricula, which is super cool. So they're easy to identify. So they don't have the shoving the meat onto their basket. So No. So the true, the true meet for the true voltaire. They kind of more like honey crop so they ingest. Actually, pretty gross now they're. But their saliva has an enzyme that breaks down briggstone and basically make like meat soup and they slip it up into their crop, and that's how they bring the meat back to the high. Okay those are the obligate forager's of meat. They're also faculty which are the ones we really studied in Costa Rica, and they put little chunks of meat in their pollen baskets which that might be the weirdest behavior we saw we were shocked when we saw them put little meet. Meat Chunks in their palm baskets is that was also kind of hurts but it was fun. I wondered the aerodynamics. How do they even get that to stick I mean it's you know pollen is dry you can pack it you can get it to really start the hairs. I'm just wondering. Like, little teeny balls of meat like you're saying it's not like a homogeneous pollen pellet it was like. A bunch of little balls, meeks Interesting and so we don't know these facultative ones if they're going to the meet for protein or maybe salt 'cause neat can be salty. So knickknacks soaked are chicken in different salt solutions. And it turns out in the tropics also really loves sodium. Okay. So they might be visiting carrying for sodium as well as protein. Fascinating. Fascinating. Matter be is pleased to present the interviews by Kirstin trainer as supplier to our nation's beekeepers for over forty years better be provides tools equipment and information you need succeed through many beekeeping employees better be Serbs you with solutions to your beekeeping challenges. That's why they can say with confidence that they are your partners in better beekeeping. Thanks better be for they're informative catalog website, supportive beekeeper education, and for sponsoring the series featuring Hairston. Be sure to see the latest debt be dot com. So I know you love vs I do too I'm I'm a little crazy. They're pretty irresistible but you've also you've also studied some beautiful butterflies. What can you tell us about them? So the butterfly I know the most about and studied the most is the Puget Blue Butterfly and it is brilliant Bright Blue Butterfly in the south puget sound in Washington. State which is why it's named the puget blue. And there's two to behaviors I've really delved into with these butterflies. The I actually happens when their caterpillars. So these caterpillars puget blue caterpillars these cute squishy green things kind of like sour patch kids. When they get scared or freaked out by predatory wasp or a spider that might eat them they actually signal for help either via sent or sound. We're not sure which the species is doing and aunts come and respond which is super? Cool. And they protect the Caterpillar while. The Wa- spur the spider is better. The answer will either walk around Cou- kind of patrol the plant, the caterpillars on sand on top of the Caterpillar. Sometimes even carry the Caterpillar I don't think that happens in our species, but does happen in some and when the threat has passed. The Caterpillar secretes a little sugar droplet from a specialized gland near bottom him as a thank you to the ant super cool. So it really is a mutual, the answer being rewarded for protective behavior. Yeah. So one of the things I was tasked with studying. Is, figuring out how important these Antar for survival of the Caterpillar this is a butterfly. So we were interested in. If the answer, this super important for survival of the Caterpillar, will they affect the butterfly population downstream and? My email to Make this interaction happen more often if the caterpillars need it. But unfortunately, again, trials and tribulations fieldwork. These caterpillars are super hard to find in the wild Okay. So we searched for them over three field seasons and found I think a total of seven of these caterpillars, which is like, wow, crazy. Not An hours. How many hours were you in these fields? There are so many hours there was one day where I had nine people helping me search for these caterpillars. The I, our eight hour day of nine people. So, yeah. Obviously not the sample size you need to publish on behavior we did see. A couple of times call band tending. And field season unfortunately because of COVID I am not in fields but I have feel texts that are in the field and what we did is we raise some caterpillars greenhouse. So we had them in our possession and we put them in the field. And you you bother the caterpillars by poking them with the land of grass. So they'll signal the ants. So I had to field tax doing this forty times with twelve different caterpillars they saw ant tending once. My hypothesis is that an tending isn't really that important to the survival of this category. Which obviously you know we wanted to see some cool animal behavior. It bodes well for the Caterpillar. I guess fan tending saw unimportant. Right. It means. It means like they can make potentially on their own without in right exactly which is good. So that's one of the big behaviors I studied. For butterflies and then the other thing we're working on is adult nutrition. In reply. So nutritionist kind of the overarching theme of most of my research. and one of the things we're interested in in these puget blues is how important nectar nutritionists to adults because a lot of butterflies can get a lot of nutrients as a caterpillar and just kind of sequester those and then adult painting isn't as important. We don't know if that's the case with these butterflies. So I had an undergraduate. Find and follow butterflies last year to see what they next on and we took samples the nectar to see what amino acids and sugars might be in the nectar. We raise some in the greenhouse on diets to see how they're going rate was. One of the most surprising things we found was that sixty percent of the time female puget blue butterflies were neck during a closed flowers of their host plant. So. Like unopened they're closed. Yes. Closed what are they getting off of them? So that's part of why we didn't these We did this thing called washing in the fields you take a flower, you shake it in water, and then you can do some chemistry to see what amino acids and sugars came out. So with the unopened buds, we just took a whole unopened stock of the plant. And it turns out there's quite a lot of amino acids in those opened bud, we don't know where they're coming from. There's some kind of extra floral gland or they're aphids on the plant secreting something. But it was a behavior we did not expect but I'm excited because at same undergraduate is in the field this year she's from Portland. So she went home and she can continue the fieldwork which is fantastic at nice and we'll see what she finds this year one thing at your student is how male and female neck during preferences might differ. So maybe males need different nutrients than females. Sure and then are they only on one host plant? These puget blues. Yeah. So these caterpillars are host plant specialists, which is another thing that makes conservation kind of tricky. So they only lay their eggs on a plant called sickle Keeled Lupin in the Pacific northwest and. That's what the caterpillars eat. So there is some research showing the caterpillars can survive on different types of Lupin. So maybe it's a matter of finding the right Lupin if we can't conserve this one but in the case of a, there's a closely related butterfly, the fenders blue whose preferred host plant. Is a threatened plant and so that gets even trickier. Bars. But an are these blue lupine fields disappearing I, take it or yeah. So the Lupin is a fire adapted plant and we we suppressed fire for so long that a lot of prairies in the northwest kind of disappeared be it by invasive plants or woody woody things like Douglas for I think berry low percentage maybe something like two or three percent of the Pacific northwest prairies remain which is a while Roese but one of the cool things out there is you know they recognize the importance of fire. Now they manage a lot of these places with prescribed burns. and. So hopefully, we'll see an increase in the prairie crate habitat soon but. I, it must be stunning. It must be stunning field even if it's frustrating that there are not very many caterpillars. Yes. It's definitely worth being there Mount Ranier. You can sometimes see from the field site it's it's absolutely fantastic. Very. Beautiful and I hear you're moving to Rhode. Island what will you be doing there? Yeah. So I will be assistant professor of biology at Providence College named super excited. -gratulations you. So I'll be teaching classes in environmental biology and pollination ecology in the fall. And then, I'll also be getting a lab going and as I said, nutrition's kind of the overarching theme of my research. So what I'm really interested in is I guess in general how nutrition modulate S- interactions between species or Species in the environment So why are bees picking certain plants to get nectar and pollen from or what in the environment might be I don't WanNa say causing or forcing but. What in the environment is changing so that these are searching for water with salt instead of nutrients from flowers so I will going back to honeybees. And possibly some native. I'm really really curious to just put some neat out like raw chicken. What we used for a study. I WanNa just put some raw chicken out and see if anything comes to it because no one's done this than flies. Come but no one's really looked at this in temperate area it's only been tropical. That would be fascinating that would be fun and then I'm also. Going to stick with the aunt tended Caterpillar as well. So we have K.. In an east coast, the frosted Elfin, which is It's a state listed butterflies. So it's rare but wear it's found. It is common. So hopefully, those okay Lurs will be a little bit easier find but the cool. About this one is it has to host plants. Okay, so a little more diverse than a little more intensely where it exists more of them. Yes that's so. Happy Hunting and I hope it works out. Thank you. But. I'm interested in. How host plant nutrition might affect the aunt tending behavior. So we can raise caterpillar on the different plants and see what happens with the ants hopefully, and there's there's so much. We still don't know about plant host inch interactions mutual assumes, I. Mean it's fascinating how old historical samples are now telling us about changes in protein content over time So I'm I'm sure you will find all kinds of fascinating. Interactions that we had no idea existed to help so. A as an ecologist, what do you think a key issue facing bees and not just honey bees? It can be all. Your favorite. I think honeybees are my favorite be but. I think all these and I think pollinators in general big problem is just the lack of nutrition. So, vs honeybees visit flowers for Food and you know with urbanization and. Agriculture were kind of taking a lot of that food away or we're replacing it with less diverse resources. So in the case of Agriculture so I think that's a it's a big issue, but I think it's an issue we can tackle. It's just a matter of understanding. What these flowering are offering to pollinators, pollinators need, and maybe in the case of agriculture instead of you know changing the whole field, what flowers can we plant nearby or what kind of supplements can we give bees beekeepers? Now, there are so many supplements for honeybees on the market. It's crazy. And it's great heels a little bit like snake. There's so many and it's just kind of like, what do we know? Do they need all of these nutrients giving them or? Is just getting. You know excreted later on So I think nutrition done some really interesting work on seaweed and that is helping bees. Oh, maybe because it salting. Maybe, it's out of the baton. Rouge out of the Baton Rouge it was giving them protection against disease. I think actually I can't I don't remember the details now I'd have to look it up again. I'M GONNA look into that. That's super cool. So yeah, I think it was Michael Simone Finstrom so okay. So yeah and. Yet came out of the Baton Rouge lab have to double check that. So you've given Ted ex talk called embracing sciences as A. And you've also written a children's book called dress like a scientist day. Can you tell us about the common theme of embracing curiosity on both of those? So curiosity is something that is natural and kids. And if anyone knows a child, they probably know that kids ask a zillion. Right, they're learning about the world around them and they WANNA know all about it, which is fantastic. And I think curiosity whether we realize it or not tends to get a little bit squashed as we age. Whether that be because we're focused on one particular thing at work or time just goes by too fast or you're taking care of children in it's hard for you to bang tension to the world around you as well. And so I really. I guess. I don't WANNA say. What do I really do? I really hope to help people realize that this natural curiosity is a tool. That should be harnessed whether your kid or an adult right. So in science, it's I mean everything's based on curiosity and science and I. Love the fact that a lot of my research is just. Basic Natural. History and interactions and figuring out what is happening and not necessarily you know the nitty gritty molecular details of it. Right. So curiosity is. Just so important to science, but I think it's also important to being a citizen in the world that we live in or being a good community member. Asking questions about what's happening around you and why that's happening I mean, you know engineers, architects, business people you need to be you need to ask questions not be afraid to ask questions and then also kind of. Find Your own answers or look for your own answers whether that be in books online on TV or actually outside in the fields like what I do. Yeah and snow it I. I fully agree it's always it's always the questions that sort of drive things I've done as well. It's like well, why are they doing that and and how do I find out more and even even my view I think how of how it's expanded from honeybees to other bees in part is driven by Putting a pollinator meadow and my honeybees ignored it but all these other things showed up, right? Right. It's the unexpected and just. Looking I. Think it's one of the things we somehow lose the time to do yes. Yeah. I think the the business hustle and bustle is really what kind of. I don't WanNa say squash but kind of puts that curiosity on the back burner whether we realize it or not. And one of the things in the time of you know all of this covert and staying home, there's a lot of stuff happening. That's not so great. But one thing that's happening that I think is good is people are paying more attention to what's happening in their own backyard because that's where they are. My inlaws have recently barry into birding in the woods behind their house and so. They ask me about all kinds of birds now. Yeah. So I think people a lot of people are rediscovering that curiosity because they've been a little bit forced to slow down. Because of what I? I know there's been a run on a lot of the garden centers because they've still been allowed to. Be Open and so planting of gardens and everybody getting back to digging a little bit in the dirt which for me, of course, was a wonderful thing the more we plant the better off we are I think, yeah and more nutrition for all those colonies. So exactly. So one final question before I let you go. If you had to pick a pollinator Avatar to represent online, what would you go with I? Would one hundred percent go with a worker honeybee? I don't like to be doted on. So I would definitely not be the queen. And I she's got a tough day in front of. GotTa just keep popping. Not No, that's not my Kinda Day but I do like to stay busy I do like to do things as efficiently as possible, which we know bees are pretty good at and my friends always joke with me because I have a crazy sweet tooth. And so the is obviously my spirit animal. They love that honey. I once when I was doing one of my studies I had hot chocolate with me because it was during the fall and the beat of eastbound my hot chocolate. And they were real share while I had to hide it because I was doing a foraging study. So I didn't want to mess things up. Then when I hit it, they were very upset and like buzzing around the spot where it was, they remembered you know where the hot chocolate was. That's hilarious. So like worker bees, I also have a crazy seat. And that would be my Avatar. Well I, hope you get a chance to harvest honey from colonies you establish up in Rhode. Island need. And keep keep a plugging away at all that you do. Thank you. I definitely will thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Thanks for bringing us at. Great. Interview. Rate. Rachel seems like. Quite the person yes. She's an amazing ecologist. I always liked her perspective because she tends to put it into a broader picture instead of just focusing on the individual bees behavior or butterflies depending on whatever she's working on vulture bees really young never heard of that how amazing but it makes sense when you know. What you just said, she brings into bigger picture. It makes perfect sense that. That, that there's a there's opportunity for food source and they take advantage of it. Yes especially in a in a nutrient poor area where it's hard to get to get those important salts. I just think it's hilarious that they chew up little bits a meat and pack it onto their pants like regular pollen. Little meet spitballs or something. It's just pretty much take. It takes me back to junior high or something I. Think. You know I thought interesting I always enjoy the discussion when it comes around to water sources for honeybees and and I will have to say I've never seen honeybees on on cap pooper any poop for that matter and silage and dairy farms around the outskirts where there's water but never really sitting there on. Any hammy me neither I have they. Had Pond and so they would go sit on the water lilies and drink from that or on the lava rock for the filtration system where they wouldn't end up washed in and they could they could drink their fill. They seem to love that but I was in I was in a valley that had pretty mineral rich water. So maybe that was enough for them always find them in bags of In the fall, I find him in bags of leftover potting soil or compost. Interesting I've definitely seen them pack coffee grinds onto their onto their legs i. think that's just because they weren't finding pollen the weirdest thing I've ever seen. B.'s packing onto their their pollen pants was sawdust. which I mean that has no nutritional value at all. I have no idea what they were doing, but they were rolling themselves in that Sawdust and packing it on like you wouldn't believe. So they apparently saw need for it. Kind of like you see them at bird feeders in late FAW. Whether a still able to fly before it's winter. You'll see a bunch of at bird feeders in they're doing the same thing with the dust. found. It's like I got the I got the assignment to go get something I'm I'm not coming, home. Empty. I'm not going to be the one. Discussion. About the the puget a puget Blue Butterfly and and being in in central West Washington and Several prairies around here especially around. I'm not too far from JBL M. Joint Base Lewis mcchord, and they have big big prairie areas and gave me something new to look for. In. Prairies to see if I find any of those pretty cool. Look in. A blue butterflies and I'll put a picture of those in in the show notes but they're really pretty. There they are gorgeous. I can't believe the man hours they spent hunting for caterpillars nine team of nine and. That would just be so frustrating looking under every little leaf, not finding any. I don't call does she say what? Plant the lay their eggs on the? Is Plant specific. So yes, they they have one host plant. She's actually very excited. I don't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but she did mention it in the in the talk. She's actually very excited because in Rhode Island, there's a very similar butterfly, but it has to host plants. So that will double the chances of finding it. It was a Lupin wasn't it? I? Think it was either yeah, I believe that's correct. Well I like to that mutual is that. Mutual Ism she was talking about with the Caterpillar in the ants. That was that was that was I've heard of insect. Other species of insects interacting like that but I've never heard of a butterfly dance. That was pretty cool. Or a Caterpillar Butterfly Caterpillar? and then at the end giving off a drop of trigger to the. So It's a win win. Win Win you gotta you gotTa you gotta Pay Your Protectors. Wraps it up for this podcast before we go I want to encourage our listeners rated five stars and apple podcast wherever download and stream the show. Your vote helps other beekeepers finding quicker even better right review and let us know what you like. You can also check out our facebook page or twitter feed and our instagram feed. As always, we want to thank be culture for their continued sponsorship. 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Pollinator Week Series: The PolliNation Nation & More with Dr. Andony Melathopoulos  (S3, E3)

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Pollinator Week Series: The PolliNation Nation & More with Dr. Andony Melathopoulos (S3, E3)

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Yesterday we talked to your doctor chip Taylor about his monarch way stations today we talked with an Donnie Mellon populist of the Oregon State Agricultural Extension Service about all the programs he has going down in the state. Of Oregon, it'll be good show. I enjoyed talking chip yesterday I'm looking forward to talking to donate you mentioned Pearson. Who will be here Friday? We had heard deaths. Who with her guest Dave goals? So. that. Should be pretty special to real good do that. And did you get a chance to watch the movie last night? You know actually I was not able to watch it last night. I hope to watch it yet this week. Great movie. It's an inside look at commercial politician. You're not gonNA get anywhere else. The people the equipment the places they go of the stress. They put on the bees. it's it's I opening and worth your time, so folks get A. MIC make time to go watch it. Yeah, it's available from anywhere you download and stream your stream. Your video shows such as Apple TV and. Listeners you may recognize or some voices and see some faces to a couple of guests. We've had on the show such as Dr Jonathan Lundgren and John Miller so really good good show from from the podcast. Peter Nelson and the movie The pollinators. Well Kim. Let's get on with our interview with an Donnie and. Everything's going on in Oregon. Okay. Welcome and Johnny Miller Millsap to pollinator week on beekeeping today podcast. It's so great to be here. Thanks so much for having me on the show. Are Honor. It's good to see again Andoni you always great Kim. You and I were in Missouri right a while ago when we did your podcast nation. Wasn't that a great meeting it was they they really put on a good show there. That was so great and I love that they had both the. the the program for the beginners, but also the great program for the more advanced beekeepers. What a great beekeeping conference! Yeah, it was a good time to be there. Well like I said. It's good to see you again and I know that you've been up to a lot i. read your newsletter and. Again I'll just reiterate. Andoni is the pollinator health extension specialist in Oregon and he has a lot of things. Going all at the same time you've got a lot of balls in the air and I. Can we squeeze all of them into about forty minutes, yeah. Concentrate the all connect together, so there's a thread that ties them so yet. We could do it okay well. You work in a place called the pollinator health lab and I know that you've got. Several projects go ongoing some of them going faster than others and I'm just GONNA. Sit Back and let you tell us what you do, and who you do it with so that people can kind of pick-up. Some some of the information that you've got and nowhere to go from here. I'll be happy to yeah, it's A. It's a unique program I do think I'm the only faculty member in the United States with this job description. which is daunting because it is not traditional apiculture extension, and obviously you know apiculture extension is vital, and we're losing apiculture extension, having more extension people working apiculture's critical, but we had this thing that happened here back in twenty thirteen, there was everybody can remember there was this Bumblebee kill. A pesticide applicator applied a pesticide, two blooming Linden trees that resulted in a bumblebee killed, but it was persisting route twenty thirteen in two, thousand fourteen. There are a number of these kills. The legislature got involved and That created a space to sort of reach some new people about pollinators, honeybees, but also native bees, and the for the program really does focus on I don't know anything about butterflies or hummingbirds. I remember the pesticide ingen incidents. It was in a shopping center parking lot I believe unfortunately a national pollinator week, yes. I, really awful. I remember that disaster. What a way to get a job though. Well, you know I've thought about this in apiculture every they're all these waves of people getting jobs like I remember I was mentored my master student. I was a master's student Mark Winston and he was him and guard, Otis, and a number of other people were hired on because of African is beans, and then another generation was hired on because of a row Mites, and then there was the pesticide people like there are these waves of if you look at. The faculty members in various universities. We get hired on through crises. That's sort of how renewed things unfortunately. That's very true the way the way you look at it. You're exactly right. Well. All things considered I i. hope that you being taken on at Oregon has helped. The bumblebee population in shopping center parking lots. Well you know. The remarkable thing about that. Incident was just how many bumblebees were dead. It's amazing that you could have a parking lot with that. Many bumblebees and the other part of the story is in Oregon in Western Oregon. We have a remarkable diversity of bumblebee species. You can go into. There was some great work, and we do a lot of clover seed production, and he can go into those fields and find six different species of Bumblebees, which is unheard of anywhere in the United States. So the flip side of it is, there's remarkable biodiversity in the state and we have eight thousand strong ape. Beekeeping Industry that pollinates. rops, our beekeepers are different from other states. They tuck into California to do pollination there, but then they spend the rest of the year bouncing from crop to crop to crop in Oregon, so are they. Are they primarily on the eastern side of Oregon? Because I. Know That's where a lot of the seed crops are well. It's interesting, so there's to think it's a great state as well because we have four managed species, so the big seed production on the east side of the state is Alfalfa, leaf, cutting bees, but we also have in certain places like near Walla Walla. An Eastern Oregon and Ontario. They have the only ground nesting managed species. The Alkali Bees these beautiful. silty beds their salted up and every year these. Lovely bees come out lasts about about national pollinator week fees come out, and they pollinate the Alfalfa we've got. Those crops are primarily not honey bee pollinated in the east. Though we do have carrot seed. Most of the nation's carrot seed is produced. On the other side of the cascades in a around the town of mattress. But we also have some of the best watermelons in the nation that are honey bee pollinated up in the Columbia River around her Milton, but on the west side is where a lot of the crops are a lot of our be pollinated crops are. All right I was over in a matter area during the solar eclipse in no surprise by all of the The, colonies, because they were very big into the pollination there and it must have been the carrot seed. couldn't tell what the seeds it would have been. Yes, absolutely, yeah. It's pretty cool. It's fun. One of the other things going on I'm sure you're aware of is the amount of money that's produced Oregon Oregon made the top ten was one of the top ten states this year for the first time in a long time, we. armed. Bee Culture magazine puts together annual honey report and one of the one of the charts together as a top ten and. You're on at this year so congratulations. You can imagine hard. It is to do because you know. Some of these beekeepers are doing four politicians a year and so splitting getting your collie strong enough pulling off. The it's a I'm from Alberta originally. Where we make you know mammoth honey crops. You know three hundred pounds. Colony is not unheard of. But you know there we've got know. Bring the colonies at a winner Ramp up and then you know, hit the canola bloom, and then it just pours in here. It's a lot harder. It comes in dribs and drabs. It's difficult. I'm glad to see US break the top ten. We got some talented beekeepers out here. I know that we were just talking about the bumblebees in and the the parking lot, but I know that part of one of your. Part of your job is working on reducing pesticide risk to bees, and that can't be just just start treason and parking lots. Where else are you looking at reducing pesticide problems well the right across the state and its remarkable. How pesticides impact pollinators do it different ways? The obvious one is using insecticides around bloom in crops. There's a lot of we have A. There's a whole host of specialty crops that beekeepers pollinate in the state. And there are some problems that happened around bloom, so there's an obvious kind problem that can occur there and one of the initiatives that we've done. We've worked with the Clover Commission we also specialty specialty see grows Western Oregon The beekeepers have sat down with those growers in the Crop Consultants. We have these meetings and we produce these really great. Simple guides on how growers can work with keepers to really make sure these coming out of pollination, or as strong as a going in be interesting to know how you organize that sometimes that can be kind of touchy place to be beekeepers on one side of the table growers on the other side of the table and try to make things better for both of them. How did you manage that? Well? I'll say one thing right off. The Bat is funny, because everybody goes in with this concern, but they always leave fascinated, so the growers leave. Leave the meeting I'm always surprised. I have one I do a lot of training with growers, and often show him a palette of bees and I asked them. Is there one colony here? Four colonies here are twelve colonies because there's know three supers, and most of them say there's one calling. They don't know what a colony is so whenever they get together with beekeepers there fascinated because they don't. There's not a lot of opportunities you make the contract. The bees come in, but there's not a lot of opportunities to actually know how the B.'s work and so. Typically and the same with the beekeepers, they don't understand the pest problems specifically or the constraints, and usually after the meeting invite each other to go to their meetings. We had one of the seed growers at the last. Oh! SBA meeting because they really. gave him an opportunity to talk, but basically we bring them to the table. We tell him it's voluntary. This is An opportunity to sort of be proactive. Get out in front of things, but we also tell the growers that if they do this, we're going to help promote their industry so for example. This year at the State Fair with the. Oregon State Beekeepers Association has a wonderful booth. They'll be giving out seed packs from clover growers, and so we're helping to sort of make sure that. What's communicated is let's be proactive and let sort of like address issues, and it's funny in some of those meetings, pesticides, or not the top issue, I know one of the beekeepers in Oregon with a mentor of Mine Actually Harry, Vander Pool points out that irrigation guns can pull the pallets and drag them if they're not placed properly, and so some of the issues are just kind of being mindful of where the bees are in the field, and really making sure like a pallet doesn't go down right next to the highway of all. The bees get smacked on the road. You know being just mindful of replacement and where they're going. It's always a problem the biggest when I'm aware of is the gate locked? Can I go? Drive all the way out there. You can't get access your that came up in a lot of the meeting. The beekeeper beekeepers made clear. You're not just renting BS. You're renting the beekeeper, and so we need access to those colleagues. It can't just be dropped often neglected for a month. It's always in my experience that's. That's at the top of the list can get to my when I need to get to my bs as opposed to can I get to my views when you let me. and and It's good to get that cleared up right away so well. The other thing I know that you've got going and it. It's gotta go hand in. Is Increasing the amount of land planet to nectar and pollen, producing plants, and I can see where farmers could boy just jump on that and homeowners and landowners. And keep the pesticides off from or at least keep the pesticides. Areas I can see where goes to get married really well. They do I think in some ways, so we do a lot of pesticide education, so we train I. Think since I've been here. There's over five thousand pesticide applicators who've done training on how I talked to more pesticide applicators and beekeepers just straight up there. My main group that I talked to, and we started off just doing how to read the label. which is you know it is not that easy and I challenge beekeepers. Can You understand the label and most of them can't and so getting pesticide applicators? The insecticide labels has been half of it, but the other thing that. We've been doing is training vegetation managers, so the other kind of pesticides that are used are herbicides and just coming A. Kind of helping people who are doing roadside management force management how they can manage land so that they can enhance pollinator habitat. But the we when we've talked to the beekeepers the issue here in Oregon right now collies are ready to swarm. You never have problem in the Pacific northwest at least on the west side of the cascades with keeping nectar and pollen coming in in the spring. The trouble is after blackberry blooms. We have a dearth. There's nothing but Queen Queen ends lace. Just things that honeybees just we'll go to utter desperation. There's a real gap and obviously that's the time of year you're colonies need to set up for winter if they kind of struggle and you're feeding syrup through August and there's really not a lot of pollen coming in. You know it can have these effects on the colonies that you're going to see in winter and so trying to figure out where we can fit pollinator habitat. For. honeybees in the fall in this landscape is tricky I. Tell you that's been one of my biggest struggles. We moved here to Olympia of several years ago and it just getting a from from Colorado where we had. Nectar sources from springtime to the I know. To suddenly have nothing after yeah. I one I mean nothing. Nothing so it's. It's hard it. I was saying anything L. Berta. It's just like right to frost. You'd have like second cut Alfalfa in the end. It's still be putting on some weight, but here just stops stops it just tap. I'm going to show my ignorance of of north. West US climate here the image that I've always had. Is that you guys have rain three hundred sixty five days a year, apparently true, it's not true. This is a Mediterranean climate, and so it does rain, so this is this is the thing people often talk about pollinator habitat by plant lists, and it's really useless. You have to think about what growers and wetland managers can plug in to their existing landscapes, and you know we have a lot of moisture where you can establish plants. Established plants with the fall seating and you know they'll come up, so there's some opportunities here. That are not available. The parts of the country where the is just not the growing season here, everything Greens up in the winter, because that rain just is relentless, freezing, temperature, or just at the freezing point sometimes. But we the summer it. That's why we have so much. Seed production in the Pacific northwest because as Driza Bone, it rains, and rains and rains, so you get all these crops well established, but when it comes time to harvest that seed, there's not a drop of moisture, so drives right up. Yeah, that makes it easier from the perspective. Certainly I can see that well. What about I? I know that. You also work with right onto to homeowners, don't you? We do we do? We have been working the master gardeners, so the growers are one thing, and I think coming up with systems that work for them. We've been working. We had a from the national honeyball looking at pasture systems, a lot of these sub clover pasture systems the way they typically do them as they grow them the green up, and then in the in the in the summer. They just SORTA. Sit Vacant, but there's a great opportunity. We've been putting San foin birth fir tree foil some good honey plants into those allowing them to grow up through August so that there's something for bees to feed on. and then they can bring the lambs back in and bring the sheep back in Graz, them. So there's there's opportunities for that will with with homeowners. There's an intense interest in the Pacific northwest pollinator plants in pollinator gardens, but fortunately we have one of the most formidable master gardener networks in the state here in Oregon They're really well organized, and at the very top of the master gardeners in Oregon. We have an excellent pollinator person, so the Master Gardener Coordinator for Oregon is gay along the Lotto and she is. comes from pollinator background, so we're really strong. In providing resources to our master gardeners, and we have a publication coming out in May that's a comprehensive like thirty page guide on plants. You can was landscape designs that people like low maintenance. People like me, who can't. You don't know anything about gardening can implement to people who wanna just grow native plants. With a a really kind of thought out, these are the plants that are available in nurseries. You don't have to hunt for them. and kind of well researched list of what we know in the literature about these plants so That's really been a great thing in the Pacific northwest of and they also falls under the purview of the program. I deal with pesticide applicators to master gardeners. I JUST WANNA. Get into the yard, but unfortunately. I'm not doing it as much as I like. We know when it comes to the. Home owners the other thing that came into my job description when I got here was residential beekeeping, so we have a great new Well, it's not new now. It's been out for a couple of years residential beekeeping guideline the legislature. Weighed in. They did not one of the beekeepers in the Portland area. She moved to a different jurisdiction and suddenly had to face new beekeeping restrictions, even though she was just a few miles away, and the legislature wanted Osu to step in and come up with guidelines on how reduce nuisances from beekeeping, and that's I've been another successful thing where we've really been able to. Challenge some of these ideas of why two colonies per backyard backyards can support more like trying to get more sensible approach to what. Makes Sense in terms of reducing nuisances off from beekeeping urban areas, definitely a good idea and definitely needed. Urban Beekeeping is expanding everywhere or at least. Showing up everywhere a lot of people. A lot more people were keeping bees in town than than people knew. Until bees became popular so. I imagine. Kim. You've seen it. Go Up and down a couple of times now I imagine yeah I remember the seventy S. All. You're one of you, yeah well. You're right I. saw I saw them I saw beekeeping and home steadying EXP- explode. Then and then lasted about three or four years, and people got tired of not taken baths and went home, but But what that does is is. A gets your get your beekeepers in town working with people who don't keep bees, but like to girl plants talking to each other I would guess Oh. Yeah, and that's got only be good for the B.'s Oh. Absolutely I do think so, and I think what I've also noticed. The clubs A lot of the urban be clubs. I'm thinking like Pr. Portland urban beekeepers have really kind of expanded out. Would it be club? Does like you know traditionally you go there? You learn how to you know. Make splits divides and some basic beekeeping, but have transitioned more into doing stewardship in terms of providing information to the public on various pollinators, but also habitat. It's remarkable clubs that I will joined in the nineties. Don't look the be clubs now. They're different. They really are at, but you. One of the things that you just mentioned and Jeff brought it up. Earlier was some of the be disease work you've been doing. Oh, yeah. It's funny because that's what I started doing. When I was in Beaver, Lodge working with Dr Steve Cornell, that was when tetracycline resistance I hit, and we, we would come across whole yards hit with American foul brood in the early two thousand, so we did a lot of work in American foul. Brood did a lot of work. The ZIMA and then I sort of went into this job and you know I thought I'd never return, but in the Pacific northwest and you probably had Megan Milbradt's on the show talking about the F. B.. Oh yes, a couple of episodes ago! She was on with Kirstin. Yeah, so Megan has the same problem Michigan. Beekeepers in British, Columbia same thing they come into blueberry pollination, relatively clean, and they leave with a European foul brood that just goes on like it's very heavy after blueberries, and then it just seems to persist into the summer. It's really hard to get under control not like the European fouled route that we're all used to, and so we're doing studying collaboration with all these folks. just a track in trying to figure out what's going on like. Why is this? Why is this happening? Because it's really taking a lot of beekeepers are little weary of going into blueberries specifically for this reason, it's real tough on them. Beck to the American Foul Brood I was looking at some of the papers. You've authored and one was the evaluation of the shaking technique and economic management of American foul. Bird Oh yeah and That's that is a classic. Textbook. Approach to managing American Foul Brood what did you? What did you find in your paper? You know you of that technique. I really kind of it was really bummed out 'cause I wanted to start. It was like journal of Economic Entomology, and I wanted to start with a quote from Moses Quimby, which is not how you start an academic paper, but he has this great description of it. You know he was. You know skept hive beekeeper at the time of the civil war, and he had an which is remarkable. He ran like hundreds of colonies in scallops because the you know. Know, the the value of honey so high, but he would. If he ran into American foul Brood, he would just take the SCAP. Take the comb out. Shake the bees and let them start again. He said it. You know really didn't return. This is an old technique that's been around for awhile. We had the issue in Alberta when we had American. Foul Brood that the option was thomason, so tyler is another drug that can be used for American Foul Brood of course with veterinary prescription. But? It's persistent in honey, so you can't use it in the spring and not get it into your honey. Crop can only use it in the fall, so we were kind of curious if a beekeeper ran into this stuff that came out of winter, and he's noticed some e AF AF be. Could they shake the bees? Burned the colony, and buy a package, or what if they took that whole colony and shook it out. With they come farther ahead, and the thing that happened was if you took a colony and you shook it out at least up there during the Dandy lion flow. That colony would recover, so you put it onto foundation you shake out on. Shake the bees onto foundation. This breaks the disease cycle. The bees draw the comb out, and they're they're that puts them behind, but actually on a strong dandy lion flow they they catch up and they don't make as much honey as an over wintered colony, but they make. Make more honey than a package. And I thought that was really remarkable, and it just goes to show I think for listeners out there who are looking at things like comb, replacement, or even something like shaking. The spring can be very forgiving that you're calling. These are GONNA swarm. anyways, there's a lot of excess capacity so like taking some crappy comb out and replacing with foundation. It's a great time of year to be drawing up foundation in the spring like they really when they ramp up, they ramp up. That's really good. That's good message. Better be is pleased to present the pollinator weeks series of interviews on beekeeping today podcasts. As a supplier to the nation's beekeepers for forty years that are be provides the tools, equipment and information. 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Just because not because they needed to, but just because once in the spring, and once in the fall, and that's what you do every year. When. Suddenly they couldn't European especially showed up and they'd never seen it. They didn't know what it was so I'm I'm I'm wondering. Have you run into that? European! What sounds like you've got us so much that everybody knows what it is. Yeah, no I think people do know it is well now. I don't know if they really know it's. I don't know some people say I just thought it was snotty. Brewed or something like it's some kind of like you know nondescript because it can appear. I was talking to Megan about this the other day there is the clear corkscrew symptom, but then there's a whole bunch of symptoms that are you know could be anything so the you know you look for this corkscrewing where the larva is dying in some kind of twisted and contorted thing, which is diagnostic. But then there's all these other symptoms that are just a little you know. To be could be anything and so. I think I think they but I do know that people are treating, and it's a real dilemma. Because again I was talking to Megan about this and she was you know it'd be one thing if you had one colony with them E. F. B. You know dealing with it and shaking them out and getting them onto new comb invariably is a great strategy, but for some of these beekeepers they've got a lot of it, and so it's really unrealistic for them not to be using antibiotics. They're going to need to use it, but. I guess the question that's tasking us is what's a step down procedure like? How can you get off of you know right now. It's really hard to not get away with treating in advance. You know you're going to get it. Everybody's going to get it. I'M GONNA go into colonies here in Western Oregon on no see it everywhere, and the question is. How can we kind of break disease cycle and sort of ratchet off the antibiotic over time? I don't know what the answer that I know. Lots of smarter people are Kinda working on that problem right now. You must be dealing a lot with veterinarians Have you been trading veterinarians to be beekeepers? I haven't but I should be i. sort of scandalous I didn't mention this, but we have a wonderful apiculture program here at Osu led by Dr Dealey and he has been really aggressive and reaching out the veterinarians and providing training to the veterinarians and also training to the beekeepers on how to navigate the the new directive and so They've done a great job of filling the gap, and allowing people to connect. Well. That's good because Often it's hard to find a veterinarian that a wants to come to your beard. Then be, we'll look at it and know what they're looking at so I know why I was contacted by a national group of. What did they call themselves? Veterinarians who work with beekeepers and really good so there's there's a couple of groups out there that I. Know are working in that direction so Great Job Kim awesome. Some some states are ahead of the curve. sounds like you guys are doing a good job. another question was about getting land planted for pollinator. pollinator plants. Are you working anything with your? Road maintenance people I weigh maintenance people. Yeah, they've been good. It's it's tricky. departments of transport are very complicated organizations and they are very. I I can understand I. really tip my hat to states that really have something up running. like Iowa. For example, some states have really been got off the ground before states like Oregon where there hasn't traditionally been that. It has been a bit of figuring out where to put things. We've got a complicated situation. Where on the east side of the state, they barely mow, so there's no mowing that takes place, so that provides some opportunities, but here on the east side. It rains all the time so. The ability to kind of like have a mowing regime that. Enhances pollinating plants is difficulty ended up having very short windows to do their mowing and do their weed control there are. To their credit, they've got a number of great plantings that they've got anybody coming into the Portland airport in the spring. We're going to see all the Russell hybrid. Lupins on the two of five corridor there some great pollinator plantings in and around. Portland and they've been doing monarch way. Stations down in southern Oregon and we're con they they also have what I like here in Oregon is if a community group gets together wants to do. A pollinator corridor department of Transport will sit down. Identify sites in Be Able to work something out. Oh, that sounds good I know the Ohio state beekeepers worked with the Ohio people here and they've got some plantings going, but it sounds like you've also. I mean it's just. It seems to me a no brainer, but then you've got an environment there. That's way different than I have to put up with here so What's easier? We've they've been great. They invite us to talk to them every year. The Oregon Vegetation. Management Association I talked to a lot of dot employees in the course of pesticide training and they do you know public safety is really important. They have to make sure that they don't end up with weed problems, and they also have very small budget so fitting something in those constraints is is a challenge in their. At, their receptive and they're looking for ideas. Change it changes directions here as going through also some of the work that you've been doing and as intrigued by the organ. Beat a Oregon, Atlas. Talk, a little bit about that program and and What what you're looking to achieve in that and the goals I'd love to, and I have to say I feel like a phony. I am a honeybee guy, and so when I got here and had to take up the mantle of native be stuff I was a little daunted. But you know what I used as my kind of vision for it was the be KLOPP's. Be Clubs Are Independent. It doesn't require the extension staff to kind of like prompted or work it. They have their own interests. They get a lot done and I thought what we need. An Oregon is something like the be club that is native. Be focused where people are exploring. You know there's all the stuff in apiculture. You know figuring out how to Demery method or Or to Queen Colony like they're all these little things can present lifelong learning opportunities to you, and we needed to create a pathway for somebody who wanted to learn about native bees, and go down the rabbit hole that they're all these successive steps they could take, and so that was the model we developed, and is really unique in the United States. There's a lot of. Of programs where volunteers are asked, do low level tasks take a picture of a B. and submit it. That's not what we do. We have a Master Mellow Tala Gist Program. They chose the name, so they are hard core folks that go around the state and they collect bees. They Kill Them. They put them on pins. They database them. They do museum quality mounts and. And own last year they collected thirty thousand bees, including a number of species that we hadn't seen here since the nineteen fifties, and so it really kind of like a really amazed by their capacity, but it really is the be club bottle. It's giving people tools what they need to do things and then setting them loose and having some kind of structured abounded together. That's really how some of this native be. Stuff is going to happen because there's GonNa be no government is going to send up staff to monitor bee populations is really got to be on the backs of people who are learning something new every day and I think there's that kind of pathway and it's working here great. Let's These. Folks are just remarkable. The things that are turning up are. Out of this world, as does helps to be here in the eastern part of the US is not the be diversity, but when you're out here in the West, man, it's cool. Your, isn't it sounds sounds like a great program and I bit everyone's. They have to be gearing up for the Asian giant Hornet, that's just north of me here yet. That's the great thing about these folks, is they? They're out in all sorts of landscapes more so than beekeepers. Looking for things, and so that's one of the key things they're doing is looking for invasive. We've got tons of invasive beans. There's we've got The Japanese Mason be loosened the Portland area. There's You know bomber some patients. The eastern Bumblebee is coming down the I five. It's headed your way Jeff. So and about Asian Hornet. These folks are great, because they're really keen to sort of go to special, they really get good coverage around the state, and they can spot things and I imagine heaven forbid that it makes its way into Oregon, but they'll be the first ones to know yeah. Well, that's good. It's a good network. We just talked to Kim Meyer Iron who has a book out called the Pollinator Victory Garden. I don't know if you're aware of it, but one of the chapters in her book is providing Habitat for native bees in a pile of sticks and. Ground isn't disturbed and all of those all of the kinds of habitats that natives. Natives US so I. People Looking to establish something other than beekeeper. Okay honey bees in the backyard. This might be something to look at. She did a good job with that. Well I'll say the one thing I. Really Love is sometimes you get an antagonism between people are native people and Honeybee people, but a lot of the people who are in the mastermind, autologous program a Steve. Oh Steve Gomez for examples a master beekeeper. Or. There's a bunch of them who actually just want to do both. They're just like I'm curious about and their position too well. Because if you take apiculture, you're really well rooted in biology. You're in a much better position to learn about native bees than if you just were butterfly person so that like the the mix is good, and that's what I saw an observation. Observation and I think you alluded to it. The beekeeping today the beekeeper today is different than beekeeper back in eighties or nineties, because the beekeeper today is much more aware all the native bees and the interaction, whereas back in the eighties and nineties I R B clubs. We never talked about any native species or bumblebees or anything unless it was yellow jackets attack in the hive. So it's interesting I know, but I have to say. My first love is beekeeping and I just I. The thing I the thing I love about beekeeping is that there's so many different. Rabbit holes that you can follow like you can really go in so many different directions as a hobby, it can fill your life up and I, you know I just felt like in native. Be worked there, really you. There were a university professor or nothing like there wasn't this in between place where somebody could like okay today. I'M GONNA learn that you know. The Bees of cactuses in eastern Oregon as one of our volunteers is taken upon themselves to do, and it's just like. Yeah, that's what we're missing. We're missing the be club for native people. That's really cool. We've talked for the last a little bit here, but we haven't mentioned your own podcast pollination. Pollination nation pollination pollination. It's pollination, but meal changes pollination nation. That's catching. Well. No, I've already I've already got it. No, I'm just kidding. Talk to about your your podcast, and and just a little cross pollination while we're talking about pollination. Yeah I'm kind of curious about you guys to like. My motivation was I was thrust into a job. I knew a fair amount of honeybees, but all of these other things like weed-management establishing pollinator Habitat Butterfly. I didn't know any of this stuff. And I thought well he'll just run a here's an excuse for me to call somebody up. If I call somebody up and say, tell me about butterflies. It'd be like they probably wouldn't go ahead. I'll put you on the show, and we'll talk about butterflies than I thought like I'd kind of like learn. And so I I started with the intention that if nobody listened to the show, that'd be fine, because at least I could just educate myself in the process. That was my primary motivation for getting started. Jeff you probably. I heard that you approach Kim. And I was listening. We have podcast with Kim on it. It was like because I was fascinated with Kim because. Kim Has this library of. Beekeeping going back to the. Back to the nineteenth century, and it was like Oh, but you'd like Crossover in the twenty first century or podcast. So I was Kinda like curious how you guys got started to because I thought. That's a great story. You've been your steeped in beekeeping communication. Kim and I. I I wrote for Kim in the eighties and nineties in a couple of times in the two thousand, and we've kept in touch one Kim was asking me when I start writing for them and then one week Sherry Jennings, my wife, who's used to be with the national honey board and I were in Hieaux, stopped and visiting Kim Kim civil when you're going to write article and I said well. What about a podcast? Kim says what's a podcast. And so that was the genesis of it then and we. We started with the pollinator week two years ago. This will be our starting our third year June great and It's it's been. It's been a blast. I'll let him talk from here from his perspective, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah, it's been. It's been fun I. We get to talk to people like you and learn about. Native pollinators in a different part of the world and so. It's been a good time and we get to talk to need people so Hopefully people are listening but. I think kind of like you even if they're not I'm learning. So that's that's the thing. Yeah! Have a great show in your guests or Your guests are great. I couldn't have said it better. I I totally agree with you. The funny thing about our show is like it's a weird mix like. We have a couple of shows on beekeeping, and we try to keep it close to Oregon because there's a lot of good beep keeping podcast that people can go to, but oftentimes it's like I've had a legislator on their I've had department transport. People have native seed collection. People I've had growers. Nursery owners. It's more like I'm just kinda curious about like all these other groups that are just not that they're doing pollinator stuff, but you don't know much about them. I'm kind of I'm mostly interested in those. Shows I really love is where we've got like a person who actually knows how to turn up soil and set something up. It's like those how to think we have. The next episode is with Kim Patent. This guy who worked in the cranberry industry and really figured out how to set up these heather. Plantings on the edges of the cranberry bogs attract bumblebees cheap efficient he you know this is a system that is been proven. I just think people should know about that like. You know pollinator habitat doesn't have to be expensive, elaborate native seed complicated venture. It can be actually pretty cost effective, but you gotTa Talk to the people who've done it. Yeah and that's one of our approaches I. Think also is is we're not focusing so much on the how to's, but why the wise? What's what's? Behind, why are we doing this? I mean there's a lot of sources for the how to and but beginning to talk to people like you and our other guests, and as to why we are doing this why this is being recommended, I thought. And we continue to think that that's the right path for cast least for the foreseeable time it is, and you have to remember. There's a big Gulf beekeeping a lot of the how to there's a million be clubs for. How to make a split, but when it comes to like all the other stuff like a pesticide applicator, needing to know like. There is no how to manuals for that. That stuff is kind of groundbreaking, and so we're a little bit behind you. Hoping to catch up one day. One of the things that I mentioned that I that I ran across. was that you guys are doing? Some seed packs and some postcards told me about that. Postcards I love postcards. We have a series of postcards got one for example responsible Mason management where it just goes through. It's easy. The we have a graphic designer names Irish Cormon She worked with me in the past. She's now in Switzerland makes these nice flat graphics, so your eye is drawn specifically on what to do. We've got one for. How did work in? If you're landscaper. Pest management to avoid We've got one on how to read a pesticide label which we're working together with NAP. See now. We're GONNA. Roll it out with Nazi. We've got. One with the Bees Oregon's. It's got these beautiful high resolution. Pictures of Bees Oregon Those are great because we've got this volunteer base of Master Gardeners Master beekeepers. You see the public all the time, and now they've got something to give to them. The cards are a penny a piece to make but we train them up. They gotta take a little course to get, and then we'll send him out to them for free. They take the course how to speak about these cards, and then at puts us. Out Across the state with some really good resources that can be. Used to communicate what we want people to do the CPAC. We've got three. Seed packs this year. The seed packs to the seat. Packs are meant to promote those growers. Who took that bold step forward to? Do pollinator protection strategy, so we have one that's annual clover seed mix, so these are annual clovers that are gonNA. Come up this year. We have We have a number of great. Annual clovers sort of a an have one clover that's from out of the state one of our. We had a podcast with Guy Bob Falkiner. Who Used Hubbard clover. Clover sweet clover. You, Bam, that's it so it's it's in there. Because he grew it and I just I I love sweet clover, but the idea of a kind of annual one just intrigue me but then the other one is a came up with the seed mixture that was we thought would be easy. An annual seed mixture that would attract a broad range of pollinator, so it has. The Celia Sunflower and then what's the other and Crimson clover? We think with those three plants. You can actually get quite a few species. They're cheap and easy to put together. And then we have a a native be one a native plant one that are high end. The you only get a couple of these seeds there. You know some of our beautiful native plants here in Oregon that attracts some of the weird Herbie's, so we've got these three packs. Volunteers give them out and they're able to talk about them. And the one the one that the specialty seed growers actually has a beautiful high resolution image of honey beyond the front, so it's really stunning. What a great program! I'm going to bet that We're going to provide information on how to get more on all on those two programs, right? Absolutely. Yeah, we'll give you some links, and and We also with any state that is interested in doing stuff like this. We've often just a residential beekeeping guideline or a pesticide guides. Canada's been interested. We just give it to people, so if you're in another state and your extension person in you're looking for some information on this. Don't recreate it. We'd be glad to give it to your free cost. You know, put the state of. Ohio on there and away you go. There you go. I love it. It's been great talking to you again at and he and Doni. I'll get it right yet and. and. let us know how how so will your programs will be back here again in the while and you can give us today, and some of the some of the sounds really exciting all right? Thanks for being on the show and we look forward to talking to you. Carry guys say. Thank you. bye-bye! And don't quite a character he's did a really good show, and it seems like he's got a great program underway down in organ. He does, and you know I learned a lot. I didn't know there was newly that many seed growers in his State and five thousand pesticide applicators. Holy Cow? He's teaching them how to read fortunately somebody's teaching. You're moderate. Pesticide labels. And I gotta believe that that's only gonNa make things better. honeybees that blueberries of always been a problem and and and they still have it out there, so it's good that they're looking at it. I'm not sure if you're going to get able to solve it. Skips. Least Somebody's looking at it again. I was surprised to the blueberries was such a problem I learned about it. When earlier this spring when we talked to Meghan, Melbourne are actually when Kirstin did and reinforced now with with an Doni so it's been a good learning experience. It has been and I. Think we'll. Wrap this up, but ticket Vanja all stuff that he's got for free all the coast postcards, and all of the things that you can get to help your program. Promote pollinators wherever you are. And who do we have coming up tomorrow him? We Have Ron Bittner of Ron Bidders winery. He's in treasure. Valley in Idaho and I've been there I've I've had? I've had a bottle of wine sitting on my table right now and. I'm looking forward to talking to them again now. You're not saying right now whether that's fuller empty bottle. Are you know I'm not? All right and he's with the. Be Friendly Farming Program from Paul. Ryan partnership fantastic look forward to look forward to interview well that about wraps it up for this podcast, and before we go I want to encourage our listeners to raise five stars and apple podcasts where you download and stream the show. Your vote helps other beekeepers find US quicker. We WanNA. Thank our pollinator week sponsor better be for sponsoring this week specials. You can find them at www dot. Better be dot, com as always. We thank P Culture the magazine for. For American beekeeping for their continued sponsorship of Beekeeping Today podcast as we head off into our third season, we want to thank our regular episodes sponsored global patties. Check them out at www dot. Global PATTIES DOT COM, and finally we WANNA. 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Pollinator Week Series: Bee Friendly Farming with Ron Bitner  (S3, E4)

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Pollinator Week Series: Bee Friendly Farming with Ron Bitner (S3, E4)

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Hey, everybody, welcome to our fourth day of our pollinator week series of special shows yesterday we talked with an mellow populous in Oregon about his Oregon state extension, service programs and today. We talked with Ron Vitner Kim. You have history with Ron. When I was. An Idaho years ago. A couple years ago, visiting the Idaho Beekeepers Association. One of the net one nine hundred out there. newsline at a nice place ease with of course pollinator partnership people be friendly farming and. Talk in. A little bit about the history of that group I remember back when Kathie Jellison started it, and then when pollinator partnership took it over. So? It's good catching up with him that what he's what he's doing now what he's going to be doing and I've got a so that that bond wide. He gave me. Yeah we've talked about that bottle of wine. You're still there. It's still there. I I don't know. Ron But I've been out to the website and boy. It looks like it was you must have had a beautiful time sitting out there in the in in the vineyards and a great place for the bees into. pollinators altogether. Yep He does a good job with the with. Cover crops and he's got vacant land that he can't use for is is. Vine, so he's got that an in pollinator plant, so it has a good job. He's. He's the epitome of Abbey friendly farmer that a buyer. Yeah, that's real good. You don't speak in pollinators. mentioned it all week, but I WANNA. Make sure those who haven't heard our show prior. friend of the podcast Peters Nelson has an has his movie out available on all digital streaming services. Now that includes things such as apple, TV and Google TV, and anywhere. You Watch your movies. And so I encourage anybody to watch this beautiful movie about beekeepers and pollinators in general about Agricultural United States, all the challenges beekeepers and their bees face as they travel around the country. It's a great movie Kim. It is and I have a couple of times, and you know one of the things that Lynn Rows Washer is how much of the information that we're covering this week. Get some sort of attention in that movie. Yeah, it's I. Can't stress it enough and I think it's a beautiful movie. Everyone to watch it all right well with that. Let's get in today's show with Ron Bittner and open up a bottle of wine Kim. Okay. Well Ron bittner welcome to beekeeping today podcast. Thank you well. It's good to see again, Ronn. It's been a while since I was on your place. I've still got the bottle of Chardonnay. You gave me and on. Fortunately, it's empty and we can about that when we're done with this all right. Well. Run what we're here today to talk about is is The pollinator pugh? Two groups be friendly farming program and I mentioned a little bit about that unite or on the committee until I stepped down from be culture, but I've got right back up and here. We are again, so ron. What what? Just as an overview, can you kind of explain what is be friendly farming? So I wanted to board of directors this year with with the. pollinator partnership and they're trying to build up. Their educating people different. Students citizens scientists. A different programs about the importance of pollinators and They wanted to get their big friendly farming. Program up and running. And they had different attempts over the last two three years, but it's never caught. Hold hard about quiet. Hasn't they actually need to have a? Biologist who was a farmer involved kind of understood. What it was all about what it took to reach more farmers. The cause fall under some other You know groups out there. That have the certifications, but I have a cer- certification might be injured, says all live certified going put the two cultures bring a lot of background. To. What we can incorporate into. To be from farming program. And You're going to see it. Really take off this year. There's such a good group of. Staff there at pollinator partnership between here in Canada. San Francisco and Lori Adams. Adams's is tremendous and. Had A board meeting yesterday. They'd seen more doing the direction. We're heading and so everybody's really excited about what we're going to do with. Farming this year. And It's why I'm on the board. That's why enjoy it. It's A. The board consists of a lot of. People that are involved in other industries and. Get funding from them or points right direction financially, but to be part of this be from the army. take off! Isherwood got some grants already personally got a grant. From, Idaho State Department of Agriculture. For this next year, especially crop to look at. Looking at pollinators especially crops here in Idaho in one. Targeted towards farmers, but also citizen scientists, but when it's through. We'll have a big collection of different B.'s will have farmers really taking a look at this free pollination have all around him to. They've never really understood, and so it's GonNa, be good year force. Probably farming. That sounds good run, but you know what maybe we should just go back. A few years to were all this got started. Do you remember that? Were you around them? You mean matching seventy four or I just finished. My or my masters have produced kind of started with me, so I go back then. But have been involved as a non apis be management for almost forty years now, so that's that's my background like yeah about how I've come along with that and and wear Matt now. great career for me, making bs and playing with bees doesn't get any better nap. A lot of meetings and There's no. pollinators. honeybees acquainted pollinators. Appalling is i. work with Tara Manage ovulations of except for the Alfalfa Leaf cutting be did my PhD on the A Master's thesis is on the Blue Archer. Be That I did my master's thesis on purdue. University I'm a local boy here from Idaho but I've been able to combine. Growing wine grapes, making wine and playing with bees and life is good. So far enough Mac or I could fill in as we go down the road on some of these things. Was Exciting. Have you at here a few years ago when you have the meetings? I guess. What I was kind of alluding to runners going back to beginning to lay the groundwork back when Kathie Kelsen was involved, she got it started. Working with Dennis van angled door for MARLA SPIVAK and and and You know a a good group of People Robin. Thorpe was part of the program. And then pollinator the pollinator group took over I want to say it was two thousand thirteen. I think is when the. It was handed over to them and if you've been with them since two thousand thirteen. Before I attended the national meetings every year for the past twelve years. I went on Lord last January. Really saw what was happening and Har. These yeezy were happening and. I just followed as being part I wasn't right now. Chair the friendly farming. As one of our suburbs. But when I followed at the national meetings in DC every year. I decided in a listener and Kind of absorb everything you know just learning sitting back, but it kept changing every year and I never. Hammocks that Sh-, but this last year has or member. We see all the numbers at what happened. Lori Adams came back to take hold laurie so`dynamic, a I'd always wanted to work with her but I never had a close relation with your and saw. Came in and they challenge me along with their staffed. Let's get this thing up and going filing. Have some cohesiveness to it and we're there now. Laura came out last year to Idaho and I took around. The valley here we have a hundred different crops in the Treasure Valley here in has require pollinators, mostly honeybees, but. Selflessly! Jared, Sieg, onion, seed and so. I took. It feels instead to notice starts putting food on the table in this valley here run vote the major diversified. Secret ridging's in the US right now and all goes back to peace of all kinds. Well, that's. Die I remember that from visiting your part of the world. All right I WANNA be a be friendly farmer in Ohio. What are some of the things I have to think about doing? I want to explain a little bit about because there isn't an nothing against Zor. Society because I blog, desert cities, but there's is a very intensive program it it's. It's more expensive, but it's targeted to. Larger growers can afford that. I'm walking use numbers. I shouldn't I. Surround six dollars. I think to belong to that, but it's very intensive. But. I also live certified vineyards in the struggle I've had in his three hundred dollars. A year certified, certify vineyards, but to get farmers involved. They're not coming up with three hundred six hundred thousand dollars to be certified every year. and. has done a good job. Have People on the ground? Using that money but I think we've decided to take a different approach to reach out to as many farmers as we can. And keep it simple and educated to what they need to take care of things, archaism annual fee of forty five dollars. We want to start with the number growers. Then we're GONNA use the staff to educate material. It's there, but the things are simple Ours. What we're asking them to do or asking them for some set-aside ground to take care of the native bees. No making sure there's a water for honeybees. Simple things set aside. We're not asking for detailed records, but we WANNA. Know what chemicals they're using. It don't have to tell us And skip it simple at the beginning now. As we get a group of farmers involve. We're also looking for more money to come in to hire. Staff on the ground and I know we're getting ready to interview somebody in California to work with farmers directly down there right now, it can't put. Staff in every state and do like somehow desertions is doing that. We can reach out a lot of farmers and we have. We're doing restart doing soon meetings with farmers if they have questions and we'll just answer. A lot of questions for forty five dollars and your sign and get them involved. We want to get your kids involved. You WanNa get. On the citizen scientists involve, and so I think that's the direction we're going, so they're going to get bang for the bucks. Forty five dollars doesn't cover. All of our expenses were going after grants and. In all of. Contributors. Major contributors that'll help us bring more staff on the right now. We want the farmers I it among board educate them. And for forty five dollars a year. What is be friendly? Farming does that mean when I see that logo as either a beekeeper. As consumer! What does that mean to me? And just a little background so much going to what other websites I go to pollinator dot, Oregon Everything is listed there. Farming. I have her own. Have there but. Go back to live certification for my vineyards when somebody says that sign when they see that logo on like bottle. They know that I'm using very few chemicals. I'm taking care. Beneficial's a my place. I build opponent or Arkansas around. And saw. Is a marketing type thing that shows people arms to her about what they're finding and all about this spring and Working with Farmers Amino Mornings and chemicals today for. Another vineyard, I farm, but you now we're talking eight hundred dollars a gallon for chemicals that are soft on beneficial's so. We're trying to bring farmers on and understand. They don't have lots of extra dollars, but they will. we're doing. Those letters can follow featuring other farmers. wrote a couple newsletters this past year. A boys to two BS to Jerry's. You know I've got my grandson here and we guadagno follow the pollination honeybees starting last month out looking at. The Cherries, but It's to bring I, guess. Especially in these times it's it's to talk about. Essential workers. STARTS WITH PHIL workers goes to farmers and I think people are appreciating. Our winds were three to five dollars more bottle because they understand that his chemicals and We take care of our workers. Those kinds of things so that's more of a holistic approach to farming and. Farmers Mar-, my age are You they just WanNa. Go Out and get the done, but the new farmers their kids that I. Know when I go on their farms, they. Pick up the phone I said I. Want Everything here, not explained to me. Don't bring a shovel. Don't this week. I just want data now. Decide what to do. And with be friendly farming. We're going to point them in the right direction if they want to put. been official opponent or guards in Idaho, we got these big circles in the corners four acres on each corner. That aren't used or anything up. Neighbors and so as we get into this, we're going to provide that kind of information because we have the background and other scientists that we work with to give us the information and no cost to the farmer except his annual cost. That's why they use, but. Here in Idaho I'm focusing on. Ten neighbors who have little small wineries and vineyards and at something that can put that logo on her bottle of wine. That logo means something typical everybody hears about. Problems with bees and I try and talk about wine. my daughter's sewing wine out there right now. Guangxi said Dad. Somebody wants no southern bell as they WANNA know about the murder Hornets and they want to know. I have a hard time even talking about wine, but it always gets back around to This is what we're doing, so you can have a good last one. So it's going to be an education in that. We're putting got some really good staff that. And I'm not tech savvy with learning zoom with them, but they're out there. With no among said twitter but facebook. And got a big following are hitting people, consulations August farmers, but we're going to start targeted with these things of. Farmers need to get on board. The can when there's a lot of egg here but You know. Their kids grandkids like mind. My Grand Saunas fibers inhabit the collector now. He knows that difference between males and females because males on sting. Linda. Young kids especially schools the are gonNA cruciate claim that be harming the logo. On the farm when that come in and so I'm trying to get a lot of these logos on all wineries in my area. Well, I could see I. It's good for the farmer to do all of this amendment. Everything you said is good for the farmer and certainly for the pollinators. So what kind of crops are you guys involved with other than wine? Myself while. I'm wine and drunk some now so much run, but at the program. Oh never crops looking out while we're getting ready to do. A big. You know large-scale in California on. Some big stores like that. That that are just now coming on the Crop Simon Bob Don and win because right now you know, be farmers in Idaho. Where can I'm black there and so this year? We're going to up triple. Keep moving with that with with the grant that I got. When farmers go through our program, twenty, five of them will pay for shares on. I'm be working with farmers who grow onion seed Alfalfa seed plovers jared seed. Squash, emerging with organic farm just down the road that has ten kinds of vegetables. They WANNA work, narrowly promoting so we working with a lot of different crops or not were very diversified work on big farms, but Idaho's typically these farms of twenty to forty acres of. high-value specialty crops as much as anybody in the country, but they all depend on pollinators. That sounds good so. No matter what I'm growing. If I can, if I can set aside some land for pollinators, if I can produce some some flowers all season long those sorts of things I can be part of your program. Absolutely, that's the main thing with all. The problems were having an especially with honeybees diversify access to gripe give. pollinating plants seems to make them as healthy as anything. People ask me we'll do wine. Grapes need bays now they don't need. But. I'm using different. Ground covers especially clovers in Alfalfa's to build up my soils. Nurse work out of Europe right now the shows. Healthier soils are. The better the winds, going to be quality, wise taste wise, and so if I got my pollinators already pollinating crops in the field, and see drops off I'm billing soil for the next year and most of the plants that I'm using that are be her for cover crops even. That I'm using to build the sales to be pollinator, so there there is direct correlations are starting to see between not essentially pollinating. ALFALFA proceed but but these pollinator gardens and ground covers. That are so essential building a. Soil besides looking nice. People Organ really take a look at that so. But, the main thing is getting people used to the fact. It's hard on me to. Have a weed in my not weeds, but in the vineyard my lawn is nice and green while. Bringing back the little clovers at us to stay on Heath Hall time bringing back. Dandelions and every time I do that I. See an Idaho, we have at least five hundred kinds of these and the one hundred, but I'm always finding another little. Be showed up in all. That wasn't sure because we have offered him. A plate of whatever they wanted much. More people get involved. That way not only helps the farmer, but it reduces costs and house. Environment and biodiversity is key most agricultural. Commodities that we raised in so gotta get back to diversifying. What we're having seen feels to. Be Pleased to present the pollinator weeks series of interviews on beekeeping today podcast. As a supplier to the nation's beekeepers for over forty years that are be provides the tools, equipment and information. You need to succeed through its many beekeeping employees better be served you with solutions to your beekeeping challenges. That's why they can say they are your partners better beekeeping thanks to better beef their informative Cadillac. Websites, order, beekeeper, education and supporting this week's episodes. Be sure to see the latest at better. Be Dot Com. We talked to Jonathan longer in a while back of times in fact and You would hear on the exact same page when it comes to soil health so it's good to hear. Are! Treated with some who walk on and I'm working with his organic farm down the road. And they've showed me what what soils are like. When you take care of them, unhealthy everything is and way control growing the right types of plants and got a lot of plans that are be friendly, but they're out competing ways in certain areas, so no been analyst for forty years seventy four, but I learned something new every day and I was with him yesterday I'm excited about the young farmers that are getting back to farming more naturally, and we're going to see after we get through this crisis with farming's change a lot, and it's not going to be you know. I worked with big arms or used to before I retired from pioneer, but it's a small farmer and people who. Every day asked me about bees. SAID THEY WANNA know utter. Killer wasps right now. So high had brig away from them, but. Now at I'll tell you. Everybody's excited about as I've been doing this. For forty years, Kim dried up there. People care about these people starting to care about essential workers of all. The different culture today is going to be excited. We'll leave. We'll leave the murder Hornet up Jeff's neck of the woods. Grandkids Tacoma know rivalries. There's still north off. They asked me when I talked to Mike Haniel one coming on. So how many how many farmers are participating or are certified? Be Friendly Farm. Nationwide speech looked latest number somewhere between eight nine, hundred, still small that we've. We've been adding two or three hundred years I. I wouldn't be surprised. Start doubling as people start seeing were doing. Are there international farm to? pollinator partnership is international organization. Be From farming is just getting started here, but. We've had people requests China from Australia. What? What is this all about? What are you guys doing right now? We're going through the process of. How do we? Know How do we work with other countries to be? Let them take off to a again bald with very heavily involved and the Canadians and they're getting the army Mexico, I'm excited about Mexico doing things down here because of this national meetings versus too strong. Buca people around the world one hundred stand farming, but but farmers new to so you're gonNA see his. We're just trying to figure that out from a board perspective. Because we still have a very small staff. And how do we reply to everybody? But as we have money again and getting sponsorship. Yaman Board. is going to help us. Really expand this program, but it will be international very nice. Can you expand a little bit on that Allman? I mean there's there is a very large very rich If you will cry our. Group of people who could probably really both benefit from what you guys are doing and provide benefits to you if they join. If you get that many growers to join so what I know, there's A. Q. Safai. Do I have that right I? Think that's right. You know that's that's lorries, thing and that there's a great little video latest did and the Almond people hate for that, and where it is now just within the last month getting involved with them, but they're a group wants. To be involved, and we don't know what scale with you know. 'CAUSE we're getting big organizations and we need your support. But. We're targeting small. Growers will pay forty five Quadros and people that will help us raise bigger dollar, so we can put more staff on the ground, but I know that the. Researching this week for A. Really strong applicants of little come in and run the alligator on the ground program elephants for pollinator partnership, and be really farming. It'll be out in those fields I've been involved in. Those feels a lot. Because of the the Logan be lavender. Use of Osmania down there on. Some of those feels pretty familiar with them. And yet there is not only. In, I think things changing and almost because we I first one in Hillsdale ten years ago. You know you couldn't have anything in those to hit to be bare burqas. You'RE GONNA. Shake the nuts out of the trees, and they didn't want any of bloom anywhere else. WHO'S BEEN INTERFERE WITH? honeybees away and. Let me. Talk about another tour because when I was down there working Alfalfa seed production on one hundred thousand acre, cotton Alfalfa, seed, production field, and initially when I was done, or they want to see what are leaf cutter, bees do Alfalfa seed production in some highway keeper Scott upset that we were competing with them some variety. Rise of Alfalfa seed or harder to pollinate the honeybees learned to not get into the statements and take all my little leaf, but it'd be getting begun week or ten days, but they work very well together, and there was no competition a lot of times. honeybees would actually early be with trip of flour. Made IT available for Nectar? They're not there for the nature of the palm, but they trip and honeybees don't essentially essentially elected. It's at it on the head. It's not that I really dumb vs but it made them more. Money. I blame him. I had that argument honey beekeepers, but at the end we agreed this. They're all tools, and then are you differently at different times in the northwest we can't on. The success because the rhinos were used. They're harder to trip. Exposed that but I started getting over working with USDA in some of the almonds and similar situation they're. They're just blown printing other almonds and. You know the honeybees are struggling with. A lot of issues just now. One I tell people you know one munches. ALMANAC towards like having same big Mac everyday and all you got something else to. Look forward to going out the next day so I I see more farms. That are doing roadside stuff doing stuff. On the outside and make. Bloom available, not only for honeybees need the ground estimates. So. They work well together. But that's the biggest one right now and again go to the a pollinator dot, Org. This is how long I've been in it. My son-in-law twenty years ago, said new I work with. He said I'm telling you right now. Go get pollination dot, com. Okay, and I said why some stupid website! I own on. Top. And I need to get it up to date, but they to pollinator Oregon lottery. Collision Combat. Go to that site and it'll answer. Is listed, but people will see a lot of the stuff including. The thing with the with Yaman court right now. Great Great Little Ideo couple minutes long. Quick question run. I'm a farmer. I paid my forty five dollars I. Tell You I'm doing the things I'm supposed to be doing. Who Check me out. Right now it's a self certification. The cost gets involved like when I pay. Three to six hundred dollars year every other year to bring in my vendors to be certified, somebody flies in goes through all my records. And and so it gets very expensive when you go after that, you want to see all the records and. So. You know I think I've questioned this aggression. Let's get the farmers onboard There's list cheer you. You put down how many acres you have represents set aside the have we asked you to do these things, and as we go forward, we're GONNA. Ask More consumers want not only people may not do this. Strategically the time or even just use it, but. I guess it's a trust factor right now and a lot of other certifications gun direction like we're going to. Just they wanna see these regulations and farmers can take them off. But if you want to show up with the person and over those records. Your movement is six hundred bucks. Yeah it makes sense and I. Suppose if you're a smart enough to. Do these things in the first place to help your farm. You're probably going to be doing it right anyway so I must have farmers. That I work with around here. They yeah, they're doing it already. It's not hard to light were. Doing an are like why do that do that? I do that for forty five bucks and I. said. Yeah but we're going to educate you again. With his grand were bringing in speakers from Logan Bela from Oregon state reflecting all these BS I've got. Students hired I got to meet taxonomic coming starting this fall. And just educating part, these are what we trapped. Collect within fifteen miles of where you live in this valley and most people I didn't know that and so. with some of these grants were getting. Is GonNa. Get a good education and live it up to them. Because what I do most certification. It adds to. You're not adding money to your bottom dollar. You know, don't. Long, but if they can, we can show them. What it means to the general public and what it means to them for. Pollination and having other pollinators just as backup. Other Sort of a win, win win. Yeah right I don't Brown right. Have we missed? Can go off into wanting. That's one of the questions I wanted to ask. Is What Your label? What your vineyard must be vineyards and My livelihood has been. My Bee's the only. But it's been my fieldworkers to. And my worker Bee Collection, is GonNa, be a series of labels that are watercolors, va local artists. The does great were and one bottles. Featuring verse labels the Honeybee. Fantastic and the other one is a watercolor of my workers in the field, so I'm bringing. My lifetime of bees, the worker bees together some minute labels is. Are you going to offer any of the labels for sale? As a poster we will we were. There's a magazine called Edible Idaho. There's edible California. I don't in Washington I think and. That was. The. Poster so we hand out to his magazine beyond the Front We're GONNA move to others. To put up my web are been advantage, dot com, and there's a place to order a wines directly and if there. Was a lot of times we go through is worth we're still small production fifteen hundred aces, but. pickler buying labeled as goes I know about the be in his wildest. Rosa it's an open. Something anybody everybody's interested in, but for me to be able to tie, but the be and fieldworkers, Naser the essential workers out there. honeybees never little. B.'s in her field. The ones quitting food on the table right now. It's really nice and I. We will make sure that all these links are available in our show notes so listeners can just go out to the show notes and Click in. Get right to the vitner. bittner vineyards, and also to all the beef be friendly farming sites that you've mentioned as well I. Run I'll be back in touch about a case of that Chardonnay okay. Yeah, I think that about wraps it up run. Thank you very much. Be friendly farming and being a part of our pollinator week. It's been a good time and I'm going to have to come back. Idaho I can see that anytime anytime. Good well. It's been a pleasure having you on the show. Thanks a lot for joining us. Thanks Ronn. Okay they care. About. Okay, yes, I'm glad you got to meet bronze. He does a nice job and I think you have to I. Think have to really appreciate a program that he's taking over trying to grow it. How bad I'm sorry. Trying to grow it trying to grow his for Graham the number of people. What did he say? At Eight? Hundred eight nine hundred people in irradiating wants to be a lot more. that. They can increase their funds so they can do even more work. Working with native bees. Like they do was back to Ah Tony and his native be program, so they work well together, so it's nice to see that Mesh. hewer chemicals on those farms are. Taking care of your workers, a holistic approach to farming all of these things school hand in hand with with Taking care of the bees, taking care of native bees, honeybees, and you know the thing I like best. Thing I liked. The best was his approach to diversity biodiversity on cover crops, or does the soil and what that soil does craps Jonathan Lundgren's gotta be cheering from the. Right now listen to that because that's exactly his his message. And you know I got that number. It's not forty five hundred dollars eight to nine hundred. Be Friendly farmers out there. I just remembered. I gotta get that and they're trying to make it an international program so It'll be more than Idaho more than the US Mexico Canada a bunch of other places. Program coming up LAUMAN's. That got to be the biggest robbed a knee west, and worth the most, and if they can get so that you've got before Genera all year instead of the week. Of February. It's going to be a lot of happy beekeepers. Happy Bees yeah, yeah, no doubt the be friendly farming is is a a great program. I like the fact and I didn't realize that until we were talking to him his background as entomologist, so he's not only bringing the agricultural farmer perspective from from managing vineyard. But also the demolished for from a lifetime of studying insects. I thought that was really good. Forty years is a non pollinator. Yeah, so he knows. He knows he knows all the books that's. I love the perspective and the other thing. He mentioned that in. Because I've done a lot, you know in my. In my other paying job I've in the past done a lot of flying. You look over as you fly over the middle section of the country, any part of the country you see the big crop circles, the the circles from the irrigation, and he mentioned it in the corner of all those circles. There's four acres of basically land that just. Lays fallow and trying to get farmers to develop into a pollinator-friendly habitat I thought was a great idea. Because you see a lot of that, you fly over the country so. I can imagine good idea. Yeah, I thought so, too. Well, what do we have for coming up on our last episode of the week? Kim Well Curse Kirsten is coming back tomorrow and. She. She's going to be talking with Dave. Wilson security versity over in the UK. He's a Bumblebee guy and It'll be fun listening to what he's got to say and and what? What they're going to have tomorrow. Yeah, it'll be fun having him back and our guest Dave Wilson and different perspective and pollination, as we wrap up our pollinator weeks series specials. Spend Marathon Jeff. It's been a sprint marathon. Well about wraps it up for this podcast before we go I want to encourage our listeners to rate is five stars on Apple Podcast, or where we download and stream the show your vote helps. Other beekeepers find quicker. We want to thank our pollinator week sponsor. Better be for sponsoring this week specials. You can find them at www up. Better be dot, com as always we WANNA. Thank Bee Culture magazine for American beekeeping for their continued sponsorship of beekeeping tape podcast as we head on down our third season. We also want to thank. Our regular episode sponsored Global Patties. They've been with us a long time. Check them out at www dot. Global PATTIES DOT COM, and finally we WANNA. Thank you the beekeeping today. PODCAST listener for joining us on this show. Invite your friends. Send it to share it with them. join us on instagram twitter on facebook. We're there. We're here to so send your questions at beekeeping today. Nick Questions Keeping Day PODCAST DOT, com. We'd love to hear from you. Hey, Kim anything else. No I think wrap it up split talking to Ron. Pearson and Dave Wilson Tomorrow. Yet will be all right well. You have a good Thursday night. you to narrate.

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on with her

Learn English with Cullen's podcast by EATT magazine

04:20 min | 8 months ago

on with her

"Sharon continued on with her story while they were still standing in the bathroom together. Pot for chapter one some years ago when I was working at the hospital. We had a sudden outbreak in the hospital. When I was first volunteering and in those days we still counted the time it took to wash. Hangs up to thirty seconds. Counting Mississippi won Mississippi Picture Mississippi. Three Sharon Sid Jelly belly and she now sings happy birthday. Pablo sit proudly. Well yes I guess we do. Sharon said but long before that we had a midwife on our board who loved to sing and she was very funny she used to say go hard and then go home and she would sing loud and clear all over the ward and her tunes when washing our hands together would go on and on and on they would last at least half a minute or well over the thirty seconds people say nowadays anyway because of Mavis. We all always day by hands more than a good wash. She used to sing out. Give him a good scrub. La Z. Go Scrub go. Hard and then go home. Mavis was her middle name. Sometimes she would sing happy birthday to three times and sometimes she would sing Red Berry. Barade- by prints twinkle twinkle little star. At least three times with some funky crazy lyrics. Let me think one else was there. Oh yes that's right. Joe Lean Jolie Jolie by Dolly Parton Pablo knew that one comma Comma Comma Comma Comma. Comedian Louis Theon by coach club and I would walk five hundred miles by the proclaim. It's Pablo was not sure if he knew those songs. Oh Don Valentine was another one challen said and what was that of the one now? I cannot think for the life of me. That's it. I've got it staying alive by the Bee Gees. That was just a few of them. Sharon said Pablo new both of those songs and he was sure Sharon had played some of this before on her phone after English. Classes is they both liked to dance.

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Bee Health

Innovation Now

01:29 min | 8 months ago

Bee Health

"Did you know that a third of the food on your plate could be lost without honeybees? This is innovation now bringing you stories behind the ideas that shave our future. The Western honeybee is honey producing powerhouse. A single hive contains between twenty thousand and fifty thousand bees that help pollinate countless crops but recently western honey bee populations have plummeted so post. Grad student who focuses on agricultural conservation for the world. Wildlife Fund joined a team from the NASA developed program to build a tool called HIVE s by incorporating satellite observations and citizen science feedback from in hive sensors. Honeybee researchers can better understand the role local environmental conditions such as precipitation soil moisture or vegetation play in the complex factors linked to be health. The Best Bees company uses the tool to determine prime locations for placing beehives. Be enthusiasts can use the information to plant vegetation and maintain optimal be habitats and the sweet science behind hive. Os is bringing the power of observations to life for innovation. Now I'm Jennifer. Pulley innovation now is produced by the National Institute of Aerospace Through Collaboration with NASA and is distributed by w HR V.

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Ep. 35: "Queen Bees and other employees we know and  love?' with Kevin Henry

Nobody Told Me That! with Teresa Duncan

57:55 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 35: "Queen Bees and other employees we know and love?' with Kevin Henry

"I welcome them to nobody told me that your source for candidate business talk and stories. Your host is speaker and author Theresa Duncan sit back buckle up and hang on and we are back for another episode of nobody told me that and I have my constant companion and Co host Kevin Henry on the line and what's up Kevin. Hey Fred you'll never get rid of me. I hear so for those of you who are wondering why why he's threatening me in such a way Kevin just recorded a promo for A._D._A.. <hes> in two thousand nineteen in San Francisco and we're giving course together and so in the Promo he actually said I can't get rid of her when he's talking about me made me laugh but then made me think wow now I sound like psycho through San Fran repot no word I get it. Sometimes we're like Laurel and hardy but now you're putting it up like Dr Jekyll Mister Hyde type thing so I mean I gotTa Watch this. I gotTa Watch this branding that you're trying to do like we always have to recreate ourselves right so so we have had a a little bit of a break for between between podcasts because we had life stuff going on <hes> Kevin had an awful lot of trips and he was busy busy speaking my boy graduated from high school and mid sunk into me that we are now taking him to college and that really just like hit like a freight train rain so we've had a lot going on and so we apologize for not having a more regular show. I hope you enjoyed the last one with Susan Gun who is just phenomenal. If you haven't listened to go back it talks about finances and Kevin. She's coming on your podcast. You'll have her coming coming up soon and she'll take it from the assistance point of view which I'm I'm curious to hear that I'm super excited. We're GonNa talk about ethics and the bell assistant so I think that's GonNa be such a big one fella. I would have dug in so much deeper with her if we had time. I need to have her back because the ethics thing is is huge. I I mean I was sharing with her. I get so many questions on improper billing like is it okay for me to do this. Okay for me to do that. And then I imagine on your side you probably hear are a lot of complaints about just bad dentistry right yeah. The whole single years isn't really single use I hear that so often and horror stories about things being sterilized that should not be sterilized just as and they want to try to save some money. Oh God sakes it's raining and here's what my experience was was. It wasn't necessarily the offices that were struggling or in. You know low income areas where you kind of expect that they're feel like they're crunched you now. They're not making a lot of money. It wasn't those it was sometimes it was the higher ends. It's a mindset I mean it doesn't matter where you are great land of Arts. Unfortunately that's a mindset at them. Being thrifty and I get being business savvy but man. If I'm sitting in your chair I don't. I don't want you to be that thrifty. I gotta be honest with the I really don't you don't quite want dollar store dentistry. I mean at least Walmart so he come on upgrade we at least two that I don't necessarily want nordstroms because like I need to send my boy to college like that's the reality any of it off. I I will tell you and you you know mall. She's she's become a regular topic on here but she was so excited yesterday telling me that she's learned that there is going to be an upper end dollar store coming into their area and I dislike. I don't know those tours go together upper end like three dollars. It's still going to be a dollar but they're better items that I've just going. I can't wait to visit Oklahoma next month and see exactly what this is so I'll give me and I'm not gonNA lie. I'm really curious and interested well. There's no planes go from your area to Tulsa anytime he wants. Just you know how I think. Miss me and misery would have a really good time shopping our slab of this tell oil weaker for those of you who are are not familiar heavens. Mom shares are love of the W._W._e.. In fact that's probably Kevin got his love of the W._W._e.. Don't know and for those of you who just made did that what the hell face that's just now you love us at a level of somebody little words that we all have. I got really excited because the other thing that I really love is the <hes> I love mixed martial arts. I love to watch it U._F._C.. Just announced that's the biggest <hes> organization. They just announced their schedule and they're coming back to D._C.. And December Nice we're very excited and it'll it'll be right in the in Brighton in Downtown D._C.. You know where the Convention Center is Kevin that that you've spoken at their wizards of cash boy absolutely yeah so I'm super excited I already have the pre sale date poster cold and we're getting tickets and I was bombed because no is going to have finals during that time and he likes to come to the U._F._c. with me and I'm like finals. How hard can finals be you know so I I hate to say yeah but I'm GonNa Drag Norman almost no with me and I think it's going to be one of those nights because when you drag Dana or actually Dana took you to a W._w._e.? As your as a president right revile a perfect she immediately regretted yes so I've met there was a camera fixed on her. The caption would be this is my life now number one yes. Yes and I think nor Norman's been to animate fight with me. It's just Kinda. I think he enjoyed it but I think it was one of those. I can cross this off the list now so I don't think he knows that he's is going to have to come with me or I honestly. I'm just going to have to go by myself and I have no problems in that. So there's countless times a day that has looked me and said is therese available for that so you know we do need. Do we do need to check the schedules for next year. <hes> something that <hes> we can share with our listeners something we're working on is going around the country planning a tour for next year where we come and speak to who auxiliary members there were picking out the cities. Now we have a a rough draft of the cities but Kevin One thing we did not consider is the W._W._e.. Schedule you know I think we may have to to after this podcast. Go back and rethink our strategy on the site. I agree because in the past couple years people don't know this we actually we look if we're speaking in the same town we look. I looked to see if you have season town. Kevin likes to see Debbie in town in the second tier. Entertainment is WHO's playing baseball in town. You GotTa look at this project. We get that I that's a brilliant thought you sow yeah. We need to do that because you know if we're going to be on the road together all that time we might as well enjoy three hours. I like a listener appreciation party or you know will will along a couple of lucky guests are day to spend the that's a great idea. Actually that's we may need into by an extra ticket or two and yeah that that sounds like fun. Okay we've totally gone on rails normals so but yes but we will keep you informed on the tour for next year. We'll have some dates in cities and what's really cool about this. Kevin had the great idea to not necessarily hit the big cities because we do by with the associations but the cities that are big but kind kind of in-between the bigger cities that maybe takes too long like you want to explain that a little bit what your thought process. was you know so <hes> tree saviour in different parts of the country have those who don't know she's on the East Coast Of D._C.. Area I'm Denver area area and so when you start looking at a map just use my areas example there certainly everybody will get oh Denver to great spot to go to but there are a lot of places within a couple hours of Denver or a little bit longer longer that sometimes people need to see maybe that's just too much of a commandment for them especially for doing an evening program than to drive back so the Pueblos the Cheyenne Wyoming the Grand Junction Colorado's the Farmington New Mexico's the Durang goes at places where there are some great dental professionals and grey dental pockets analog people. Don't often come to them because maybe it's not the easiest path to get to patrice an icon said on one day. We said you know what we're willing to do that and the we're really excited about going some of these <hes> maybe more outweigh areas the but still have great people don't fall through center. I'm excited about him. It's something that I think I think a lot of speakers would like to do but really the drawback is driving in between and if I had to do it on my own I probably would be a little bit more averse to it but doing a road trip with somebody that we can switch on and off with driving <hes> or just you know like I could snooze or you could snooze whatever it it's that makes it a lot easier and you can make that drive. I I remember speaking one night in Toledo and I had to drive to to Columbus Ohio Cincinnati it somewhere one of those Ohio cities Cleveland Oh goodness I was trying to go to drive awful so I headed right from Toledo leaving Toledo around nine nine thirty and getting to Cleveland and then hitting traffic because of course where do they do work on the roads night and remember running into traffic and I didn't roll into the hotel until I wanNA say close to eleven thirty thirty eleven forty five and then speaking the next morning at you know you've got to be there six zero six thirty seven thirty to make sure everything set up. You can't just walk in and breeze in you. Need gotTa be part of setup. Meet people make sure everything's running okay and I. It was by four o'clock clock after I. I didn't WanNa talk to anyone I was done in. That's not we're not delivering what we promise at that point right <unk> absolutely you know and to be able to travel with somebody that you Nali respect in the industry but also a good friend around. I'm very much looking forward to this and the thing that I found just in some of the preliminary work that we've done to to get these dates together and everything is just the genuine excitement like wait. You're coming ear almost though yeah it's GonNa be on our podcast or wild now just way too. We do drive at nine o'clock at night. <hes> you know through the mountains of Montana giants blast. It'll be thelma end it. Louis Feldman Lewis thing right just inside so so when when we were on our break both had a lot of speaking engagements and one thing that you and I talked about was we always kinda regroup. What are you hearing out there? That's something Kevin Than I do on a regular basis because we both speak to teams exhilarating. What are you hearing what's going on and one thing that I brought back from my time at the Pacific? Northwest was a a really strong feeling of old guard versus New Guard <hes> staff and what I mean by that I had a course that I gave called who are these people and it was a guide to personalities in the office not neces- I was really strong on saying this is not a personality analogy tests like Kevin. You're strong on this or other personality tests entites. This was me talking about like the person who throws you under the bus the the person who clocks out at five o'clock so it wasn't necessarily types it was those characters and so it was a fun class lots of laughter. The people were awesome but we're really came up this whole people who are in there for a long time not necessarily wanting to change and people who are coming in wanting to change and it's that whole old versus this is new and I. I'm careful not to say old. I mean veteran you know who've been their longtime not necessarily old because somebody who's thirty who's been in that job for ten years is going to be stuck in their ways as well and you you mentioned that you see that as well in dental assisting settings point you know this is the first time in history where we've got five generations. They're all workplace together. Rama those mindsets they're not wrong but certainly a lot of people have different mindsets about how one tasks should be or how one problems should be tackled in the practice and I will tell you if people trying to tackle that problem sometimes it becomes more divisive than anything else because you hear well. We've never done it that way. We Wanna did work and these newer assistants who are coming in or getting very frustrated because they feel like they're v._p._N.. Squash and so it gets it blows up very quickly in which really dangerous to. Oh is when you have a doctor who is a serial. I Guess Tester is a good way pudding it because what that does is now bear with me here. What that does is it? Jade's the existing team so what what happens and I'll give you an example is a doctor will go to a trade show. I love this new composite material love this new whatever the shiny new toy is and then they bring it back and then they don't do it or the potentials not realize so the next year they go to the trade show now let this this is cool to weed. That'll solve the problem. That's why I never did this now. We have that and then it happens all over again so you have a team often that is used to the doctor wanting to try new things and it just doesn't make a difference so it's hard on somebody coming thing in wanting to give good suggestions and then you hear the infamous yeah but and I call those the butters because the you'll hear yeah but and then they'll give all these reasons why it's not gonNa work work so do you run into the yeah. butters allot in your classes sure absolutely no. I hear kind of like you do. A lot of people saying that the butters are the ones that are just completely sucking the life south practice almost and and yeah and again I I'm all for you know. I'm a guy that it's something tried and true. Yeah I stick with it. So I'm OUTTA got it would go to trade shows every year switch composites or whatever it might be but at the same time I think you have to be opened ideas that you know how how Julia how Noah looks at the world is different than how you and I look at. It doesn't mean we're rivals away but certainly we've got to be opened the listening to the Next Generation County on Anthony ideas that they have because only I've used a pretty good it's interesting though because we were I'm running into it sounds like years with with material and techniques. What I'm running into is the way we communicate indicate with patients so I think people are realizing that you know insurance is always going to be you know we have to adapt with insurance because it's changing so fast I don't I very rarely people that are still using films and mailing in X-rays and mailing Liam paper claims they don't come to my classes so that's not my audience anyways right? They're gonNA keep doing that but what I hear all the time or people coming in and they know they need to reach their patients or they know they need to be available for their patients immediately but they are they are stuck with the idea that they have to answer the phone that they can't outsource that or they can't communicate a different way because I don't know about you but even I'm at the point now where I'd rather not call or any business like if I need to do any business I'd rather chat or I'd rather do a via email or whatever I really don't talk to anybody exact same way and you know but yet it's honey whenever you know in the united about a great product for we've that's out there that will it gives a separate number. Mail sent a text message back to the person just kinda asking what is they're looking for things like that so that it does will be the homework ahead of time and it's amazing how it's such a great product. If I talk about class people just look Oh my God. What is this you know and I'm going to good way you know I will? I will give you my my take on why front office people receptionist admins managers of my age are not wanting to do this. It's because an I understand because I think I would probably be this way as well unless you know somebody really sat down and explained it to me when a patient used to call the office and I answered the phone it was I mean I would convert that patient. It would be something unstoppable that would keep me from getting that that point that appointment done and it was because I was really good on the phone I was personable. I knew what questions to ask. I did them quickly. I was really good at it so me on the phones was was a real like just let me loose right so when I hear that there's something else that patients and can use to talk to my immediate thought is what they won't get my touch as true you know they won't get my conversation and honestly the more I think about it. That's we're not making it about the patient. We're making it about us. <hes> and that's something that I probably would not have realized very easily if I were still in practice but hearing it from so many other people that when they let go of that need to talk to the patient on the phone it becomes easier the chatting and the texting you know that's everybody talks nowadays. Why do we keep forcing our patients to call agree will say it's like you said a minute ago that that we even you know in all say our age you know all all said we're become very adapt to chatting with the bank online or with the airline online you know I'm amazed how quick response I get? If I tweet southwest airlines on twitter I can I get my answer. Take instead of trying to dial up off your represent. It's amazing yeah because I I fly united all the time and I have the premier help line as a phone. You know a save number just in case and I don't I don't knock on wood. I don't really need to use it that often but but I found that even when I'm on hold I would tweet to united and I would get a customer service. Hook up faster than the phone so I agree with you. That's they're just they're doing at the right way now. When it comes to the generations and I know you really are strong in this <hes> one thing that I was reading about? I love your input. One thing I was reading about is that the studies now are out there because now there's enough time has passed where the millennials meals are actually showing themselves to stay in jobs longer. They're actually showing themselves to be happy at their jobs again not motivated really necessarily by the money and so I've been reading articles that are like millennials are not the problem in the same breadth. Those articles are saying but the next generation is the problem are we are we going to in what is the population after that's Gen Z.. I think right yes jen's the which is my. My son is probably a textbook jazzy. Probably Probably Julia is as well or maybe on the cuss but but what ends up happening is I think the next generation comes up and I think any of us who are older our tendency is to say well you know kids nowadays or when it was we did it and and and I asked the trap I think we're falling into our now. Are you hearing that about the millennials you know it goes all the way back to what we started talking about the change thing and I think that we are so afraid of what's coming in and the AD whenever it gets here we all go oh. Let's not so bad. It's Kinda like Y._2. And we all had canned tuna and the Obama water stored in the the seller world's GonNa fall apart and boiler alerted visit <hes> you know also I think the wall we're doing so much is that we're thinking we know what this generation's going to do and were almost heavy preconceptions and then whenever somebody from generation walks into our practice for our place a business were already expecting them to act a certain way without giving them the benefit of the Dow in seeing how they're going to act in marketing the biggest things that is hurting a lot of dental practices who are running again as a business if you're oh prejudging employees before he or she ever steps but in that door or starts day one and you're putting them behind the vol immediately as well as your relationship that person yeah you know honestly it's <hes> it's interesting you said that because the first thing that pop to mind was <music> a joke. Did you do my gender you know and what we're doing those we're assuming their generation so we're we're stereotype Neelam completely and that's that's very dangerous like you said <hes> because really what happens is the first time they act in that way you ignore everything else doing right and you focus in on on that because it has met your expectations so you have <hes> you have assistance of all ages in your classes as do I surprised how young a lot of these managers are coming in and of course I can always spot the young ones because they are taking the most notes and and they always stay <music> afterwards to talk and then one one very lovely girl came up to me. She really was just a fun to talk to she. She said I'm new a new manager and she said nobody in the office will listen to me because they're all older. Meanwhile meanwhile I've got five years experience in D._S._O.. I've got I come to the single <unk> location and I'm trying to implement proven business skills and nobody will listen to me and we brainstormed a little bit but but you probably are hearing that as well from assistant who know they can make a difference and then there's nothing oh I can tell you a specific instance in Assistant I talked to in Utah During the Utah Bill Meeting and she came up to me afterwards as she basically told me that the next week was going to be her last week in the practice because she felt like everything she's jetted. Nobody would pay attention to because her age and so you know and she she almost had tears her is almost picture her as my daughter you know it's scary how young these these people are getting art classes isn't but yeah Gosh so many not just assistance out of the industry because of not being willing to give something a chance or not being willing to give them a chance but if they don't leave the industry they're squash and they lose every bit of enthusiasm and they are those zombies that are just walking around and just doing things to get through the end of the day and that's no way to have a career order live but I ended a lot is so let's go over the advice because I don't WanNa just like a bitch about stuff like let's give let's give them some advice. What did you say that to that too that wine and then I'll talk about what I my vice back to? My conversation was oil. I told her I said first of all I hope next week is your last week and and because I think she had a lot offer our industry and Dell assistance as a career need these young vibrant excited men and women coming up through the ranks to give new blood the career path they just have to it's that simple and so I encouraged her to take a step back. He's a Friday when we thought step over the weekend really think about as but if you didn't go in on Monday and you you can say don't look me as a twenty two year old or twenty four year old look at me as somebody actually having some ideas that could help business grow in the reason. I'm suggesting this is because I want to be part breath business that grows and I WANNA be part of this. You know I think that when you frame it as I'm trying to do what's best for all of us not just because it's new or different and that's not why I'm suggesting that maybe that frames have just a little path off and if you can speak that same language up successful business successful for everybody Abiola open up your eyes here's so that is I mean that's great advice. <hes> and I'm wondering if what is the next step APP is may she needs to meet find another home another office and do you ever bring up to people and I say all the time life's too short be miserable and I don't care if your about your personal life for professional life. I believe part like an Ryan. I I never tell <unk> Wizar- job but I'm also telling them if they feel like they've chased every avenue and they're still frustrated an absolute look for somewhere. That's GONNA value because if you are you're a train system. Who's passionate about what he or she does? I guarantee your home somewhere. I never I I never tell anybody to quit their job except for I mean there's a few instances. I'm sure you're if you had the same kind of guidelines lines but if I hear that they're being abused in any way verbally than I'm liking dude. There's too many other offices out there that that need talent <hes> the job market for for assistance in receptionists and managers is great. It's a buyer's it's a buyer's market right now. I'm sorry seller's market right now. If you're the <hes> the person who's going around looking for a job for all I'm hearing from managers is it's so tough to find people because we're in a pretty decent job market right now. Nobody's really moving around though so it's some telling you if you put yourself out there and you are a really good conscious as worker. You will find another job so I tell them to quit if they have an abuse situation going on or if there's outright ethics involved involved <hes> fraud and all that kind of stuff in ice you know we both see that a lot I hear some really egregious situations that people need to get out of as fast as they can so I try not to do the whole quit and find another job at sometimes these stories. I hear you know a managers that are being brought into the office. One girl says she gets brought into the office at the end of every day and he makes her sit there. While he goes over the deposit in the Dais Day she because he wants her to be there in case he has the question in it takes him about thirty minutes and she just sits there and yeah and I'm like you know that's that's not really. That's not really a manager. That's that's a subservient the situation there <hes> there's a lack of respect and that I mean if you have a question the let the person work and go out there and ask them but but that to me is more of power trip than anything in. She was crying shaking when she was telling me this. I just thought while you. You like I need to find something to hire you for. 'cause you need our yeah. It's it's tough so so my advice to to this lady who <hes> really was just getting nowhere and she had this. You know the young complex. She has the baby face complex is really what I I kinda referred to it. Sometimes I said to her that you you need to stop thinking about that and I know that that's easier said than done but I I need you to flip that. I need you to stop. I'm thinking about this is why they're not listening to me and turn it around to. This is why they're going to listen to me and you're going to be a lot more assertive about it because if she's got the authority to be the manager then she needs to use that authority and the doctor. I said you know if you were to discipline one of these girls. Would the doctor stand behind you and she said yes. The doctor knows there's an issue and that's why he brought me and I said then do it. That's your job so it was a real. I don't want to come to Jesus meeting but it was really she. I needed to flip her whole perspective because she's not there. She was not hired by these girls she was hired by the doctor and if she's letting the girls get to her then she's not doing her job and once I told her she's not doing her job in a very nice way that clicked for her because she's innocent. She's an achiever so once she heard I'm not doing my job. She was like Oh. I need to do my job and it I mean the light bulb just came on and so if any assistance are listening I know I know we have some bleed over because we definitely I hear feedback from a lot of people that are on both sides for the assistance that are listening than you own your position right you. You've done it. You've earned it. If you're a certified dental assistant. You went through a lot to get that I mean it's not easy easy to do that. <HES> if you've organized instead up inventory projects if you've ever coordinated a patient care through implants through dentures on all of that you know your job don't don't let somebody else think the make you feel. That is if you don't know your job. It's a mindset if you're a few feel like you're the younger person nobody's GonNa listen to you. That's going to happen you know we we've talked in previous podcast about bullying and that it happens happens to the practice. Mulling isn't just something that happens when roar in high school or Grade School or whatever it might be is still exists today and and I think that you you bring <unk> point that you cannot let anybody else else. Dictate who you are what you bring to the practice and I will tell you there. There is a for lack of a better term. There isn't me girls in Palo the out there and some practice absolutely and I will tell yeah that's that is absolutely one of those. You've got the ball by the horns and not live as you said not. Lift them dictate who you are. You know have but man that's that's a tough environment to be a part of a one thing. So what really started started. This off was my discussion about the Queen Bee and I was expecting this because none of my classes are completely comfortable to take out. I mean I'll be honest. Sometimes I make you think a little bit and sometimes I make you a little bit uncomfortable comfortable and I made a lot of people uncomfortable in this class because I know my following that come to listen to me and I love them so much but they're just like me so I know the tendency to become a queen bee is strong and end. It's because we have been empowered with so much so we're used to. I mean it's like taking mothering to an extreme in the office and so I'm not blasting queen bees but there's two types you know there's the type that has is the mean girls type and then there's the one one that is in charge of everything because they think if they're not in charge in his all GonNa fall apart and it's it's good intentions. Now the the mean the mean girls Queen Bee is not good intention to somebody who's been able to be for lack of a better word of bitch for years so I I said are you the Queen Bee and then there's and then when I made that distinction you could hear the room kind of lesson up because because the Queen B.'s don't come to my glasses either. They don't think they need anything so so so the ones in the I said so. Did some of you our some of you probably think you're the Queen Bees and definitely I'm sure some girls were like Oh crap. She's talking about me but when they realized what I was saying they got it but the queen if you're in an office <hes> and there's a Queen B if it's if it's not a well-meaning queen bee get out because that queen bee is very hard to change and likely the reason the Queen Bee is there is because of the doctor and if you WANNA stick out that dynamic hats off to you life's too short in my opinion go find better office because if you have a doctor that's enabling a Queen Bee. That's that's not going away and seeing what same with lead assistance to. Oh yeah absolutely you know the thing <unk> granted. I don't know mind zoology all at well but if memory serves the queen bee still can't exist with als worker bees doing their jobs to and exactly that's something I've I brought up a few times is with the Queen Bee thinks that he or she can run everything by themselves. They're very rude awake and so <hes> airline saw the worker being these to remind the queen the just exactly what he or she does make the Business Ron <hes> and and I'm all about that when my assistance in reminding them of the valuable role they play in that they're not dispute soccer's diamond design or whatever we always hear that each one of them camp by their France. If they truly I believe in value now I saw something on Reddit yesterday that made me think about it and I know you're familiar with read it. If people listening are not familiar with read it forget that I said what I just said because read it is the biggest time suck of your life. If you don't know harvests awful so if you don't know what that is don't Google share with you on it. which which was if you have to you think about? When is the best time to ask your boss for vacation? If you're waiting to catch your boss in a good mood to ask about vacation you are in a toxic environment but and I never thought about that but it makes total sense if you have to wait until your employers in a good mood to approach them about anything that sucks. That's really good actually yeah. I like that a lot and I'll probably actually should probably go and see maybe if I can give some credit to that person. Although it's all anonymous nobody uses their real name or anything like that. I probably need to make that into a like a motivational quote or something because that that hit home and I was thinking of all the people in my classes who are like yeah you know I'm on pins and needles with this one and I know that my boss I have to wait. You know if I ask her in the morning. It's not going to be a good thing and I have to wait until she's had a good patient because then she'll be in a good mood and I'm like wow that's awful your this in absolute and I'll tell you there some people that that's their home life too. I mean that's it's a horrible thing to have to go through. Whenever you got to base everything that you want on how somebody else's going to react now that is interesting because you brought it home like now that's interesting because one of the I did a lot of research for like the characters in the office is one of the one of the types of you know the Queen b the one who's kind of the bully one thing they mentioned is or one of the books mentioned is that the Queen Bee is typically the Queen B because she is not the Queen Bee at home or she grew up not being the queen and an? I found that to be really interesting because I you know for for a couple years. I'll admit I think I've admitted this before. I wasn't the best manager to work for because I didn't know what I was doing. I probably was a Queen B. It's not like I had that issue at home. I think it was more like I just got power for the first time it was like Whoa what's all this but but a chronic queen B I can totally see that you know not having a great home life or maybe it just didn't they were kind of. I grew to be this way. Maybe the doctors enabling them like like they saw at home. But how how do you change that Kevin. How do you change a person's home life affecting them? I mean it's almost like I guess for me. I am more comfortable just turning in leaving the rather than having to deal with that and I love you know as you mentioned earlier I love diving into personalities. I love into you know how off to each other communication styles and everything else I will also tae tariff some people that that's just who they are and there's times you have to actually walk away from that person if you can't I know there some situations where you can't but in there there's a quote that I use you're the C._E._o.. Of Your Life you have the opportunity to demote people are fire people or or raised him up on your own or ladder. You know if you look at it that way and I think that there's somebody to your life right now. That is just that that AH energy sock for you <hes> that you've gotta figure out a way. How do I less of that? person's input on as but yeah they're that's there almost escape is to countdown Iraq roast there in the practice yeah. It's you know and if you're in a rural area and there's not a lot of jobs than yeah. That's that is tough but if you're in a suburban urban area I'm just saying what I'm hearing from the managers. They're dying for help. They're dying Galp on so take your talents elsewhere if you are again if you're a qualified assistance loves what he or she does I guarantee their pockets of the country right now that they are dying for that and there's bidding wars going on for your services. I and I think honest. I mean there's a lot of good ways to to get your name out there. I mean you've got dental posed. You've got indeed there's on D._M.. There's that's for hygienic mostly but there's a lot of aw places out there but the first place I would go if I were in assistant is to talk to your local rep because they know who's hurting for help. They know whose office you do WANNA work in they'll and honestly if you're looking to go change to another office talk to your local Rep because if you're getting ready to walk into a viper's nest they will tell you and underutilized resource for sure yeah and I think it's aboard the you take advantage of what your role as Brac acts take advantage that rep who's coming into the get the latest on what's going on Dallas Street or which wants you know or doing thanks bride that maybe you could learn from well. I I agree with these. Summary Offices don't use their rafts as that kind of extension of their own practice so when you're so you teach the disc what what personality type shows up the most in your classes because assistance typically are known as one particular type right they are in. It's funny because really your hearts of the practice. Did the different scales a lot of times the office manager in the Dennis also on the side of things the hygienist law the pies the influence <hes> I haven't asked I honestly that's where water system for the errors the nurturers the can we all get along by Yok by people you know and then there's kind of Nixon that see a lot of office managers followed with as well on Jesus you know they're they're really focused on the business in accuracy Chrissy and everything else so if it's is finally how different parts of the practice fall into those different quadrants indefinitely you see a lot of the same personality type showing up at different jobs such interesting interesting. Do you get a lot of office this managers in your classes every once in a while and then mostly they'll come up to me afterwards. I just did now. I don't know how to understand why assist so that's why came to the scores like will then you probably need more than just this course. I hate to tell you because so <hes> honestly it's a lot of a log bill assistance Erla while I would dentist who sits right up front to manager who will but yeah primarily well so I I as a manager. I was always he's like well. She's she's GonNa leave another job for money and I was always worried about losing people because we weren't paying enough and I knew we were competitive but we're in the D._C.. Area where you know people will pay ridiculous amounts of money for things like genesis now anywhere between clean fifty five to sixty in our you know I in in certain really influential areas. It's crazy so I always used to think that the motivation was money but that's really not the case and I think that's across all all personality types. It's really not about the money and I yeah. I hear you know all God. I don't WanNa pay an assistant because it's going to be so much. They're asking for twenty two an hour and I'm thinking I understand that but they're probably asking for twenty two in our because they've dealt with so much junk rightly drill in there and find out you know is twenty two in our appropriate it might be and with that twenty two an hour should come an increase in production. <hes> you know an improvement inefficiencies all of that you know twenty two in our just comes because she's a diva. That's totally different thing but but it's not much I think a lot of assistance in an office managers when I hear them changing wanting to change jobs it's very rare when one of them throws money into the conversation so I did a survey a couple years ago Del all system digest and I asked Thou shall I said Real simple question. Would you rather have a bigger bay check. The council more drama or a smaller paycheck becomes with less Straw and seventy two percent of close respondents told me that they have the smaller paycheck with the left strong tunnels yeah so that tells me right there that people just want to not have to just grit their teeth to get through the day. They actually wind Roy what they do. They WANNA feel author part of Dean WanNa feel like they're making a difference and I I will tell you for my vantage point. I would absolutely rather work somewhere. I would enjoy work. The wind giving me my just through the day at life. If is too short life is to shop and it is possible so I hear you know if it when I was when I was starting out on this this journey to be a consultant slash speaker <hes> people would say to me. What why are you doing when you're walking away from decent income and all of that and you can't operate that way you have to operate with what is your plan B. Anyway so I came from a place of what would happen if my boss something happened to my boss God forget forbid and I had to go find my thing anyways so always have a plan b. you know think about what would you do if you were fired tomorrow and if you think I know it's more to think about that or it's very uncomfortable to think about that but if you spend in some time on in kind of map out okay I would I would call Juliet Care Credit and see if she's got a line on some jobs? I would call Jason at Patterson to find out if he knows of any openings. I would go back to school and here's when the semester start like if if you have thought about that in gone through that then when it does happen you're not gonNA freak out as much because you've actually run through that whole scenario and just as an exercise. If you're listening to this now you probably have already started thinking about that but really spent some time on it and then if you have a partner because you know when you have a spouse or partner that somebody that's GonNa be affected talk to them. How much money do we have in the bank? What would happen if you know? I lost my job. Do we have enough to float for two months. Do we have enough for me to go back to school. Blah Blah Blah Blah. It's all about I think just realizing that it anything cannon will happen to you so yet to be ready. Oil goes back to Kinda. What we start talking about? Rousseau you know change and change is now the change change will happen. Things are going to happen but the in you can't control that you the troll your reaction to it all help appears you are for it. I think we're probably you know in about two years. We may need to replay this podcast because when it comes to change I can tell you a lot of people don't listen to podcasts and I think that's definitely changing but still the people who are listening to this podcast right now. You're like tiny tiny percentage of consumers because even though there's a million podcasts out there the general public has not really discovered us yet and I will tell you that I in my managers there like how do I get to your podcast and I'm like well you go to the website and you can listen to it from there or you can get an APP. Oh what APP you mean. There's an APP and because people aren't familiar with it so we'll have to replay this in two years because then they'll be more listeners right and and by then who knows what will change in our lives world my goodness against changes going to happen and technology will evolve things will be introduced in the dental practice our you going to react all. I wonder if we're ever GONNA get to a point where we do like Hologram Hologram podcast type things like you're driving and there's like our little faces are projected onto the screen. Maybe the cars driving you and you can watch us. I think that we're going to get to the jetsons point right here at some point so go reference. I know but you know you'd think that it's a point will be all to tower. PODCASTS or V revokes. Were straight as well. You know for those who don't know the jetsons. All you need to know is that they had a robot name Rosie I think and she was the best made ever said that's really all you need to know. I I would love a rosy right about now to be honest so all right so this is the time in the show. Where are we kinda? Go a little bit light Kevin travel a lot and so we like to keep up on what's going on on our screens and that means. What shows have we discovered? What are we watching? What's interesting? What are you seeing out there? Boy I'll tell you I've actually Salihi <hes> <unk> the two movies last three days which kind of weird <hes> but the took some time to do that <hes> sauce spiderman great great Bobi loved it and then a quirky uncle yesterday and and if it's it's one of those that if you don't think too hard about it it's really good movie but if you start exam all plot holes at your product enjoy it but I will pay it I liked. I thought it was really good so real. Quick in the world loses power for twelve seconds. I don't know why they never say why but it happens what well second somehow. The Beatles are wiped from existence. The rolling stones are still around around the WHO is still around but the Beatles wife resistance and there's one dial face the earth remembers it and of course he's struggling musician so he started putting out yesterday. Let it be and I WANNA hold your hand with all these becomes like the greatest uh-huh songwriter out of all time sets hilarious. It's interesting to see this. This young guy who's down on his luck. All of a sudden everything is handed to him and what I loved about is is reaction you too and we started thinking about how you react to something like that if you were that person so Kinda made me think we'll man I really good yeah. I did a home for a lot after for my big run in June. I've I've been home for a little bit and so I've been going back to netflixing. I put a lot of stuff on my list and I never get around to watching it. So one show that was on my list is series called dark well. It's funny with Netflix. If it's got one season I tend not to want to watch it because I don't WanNa get invested and then there's no second season like that. I don't know maybe I'm selfish that way. So I saw the second season was coming and I thought okay. Let Me Watch watch it so dark. Is it's been dubbed. I think it's a Swedish film but they've dubbed it into English. Thankfully it's time traveling type of thing there's so many characters because you have like old spin young spin and all this kind of stuff and and there's a real mystery around <hes> the this nuclear power plant and some murders happen and who's been killing these little kids and they go back and forth but there's so many characters Kevin that I had to actually get I had to google like a an episode guide in charge of people in there because they go back and forth. I loved it. The plot was awesome. Acting was rate but if I needed cliff notes <music> I'm not ashamed to admit I needed cliffs to help me through this. It's like some people will read. We'll watch game of thrones and they need to have like a game of thrones chart. That's kind of how I felt with this one and there's a funny thing that I have. I don't know if you and I have talked about this before but I have this thing where I I have difficulty with faces is so if somebody looks very similar I tend to I just assume they're the same person and I have to like. Listen in the dialogue for you know the different. I'll give for example. There's two detectives on Chicago P._D.. Who looked nothing alike? According to everybody I've talked to but to me they look like the same person they're both tall brown hair white guys they look the same to me and when one group Era I was so thankful because then I could figure out who has the beer new does so am I think it goes past <hes> just being bad with faces. I actually think I have like I. I'm sure there's a condition for people who see like the same face I it's do you know what I mean. Have you heard of that before yeah and it tends to happen with Brown short brown hair white men and this happens on every show so it's not even like Chicago Med. It's the same thing there's two doctors on on their who don't look anything alike and I still think they're the same person so this show it was nothing but white men with pretty dark and so I was like oh no the I need chart. I need somebody I need like you remember back in the day when M._t._v. would have videos and they had pop up videos like the comments would pa all video absolute. I'm I needed that. I needed a pop up to say this is Finn who killed the girl in the in the first episode and so I need that and that's not a spoiler. I'm totally making up those names but but yeah I need that and I realized I need help that. Ideally we really do more pop up thing that I think that's actually I would love it like making you know West Wing when things happen or you know it's been going on for so long or like in twenty four like remember our show twenty four. It's like when Kim his daughter comes online at pop-up could say remember when she tried to fight a Jaguar and episode. Do you remember that that's what I was like nearly twenty four jump the shark at that point right now. That's that's an reference that that only us old what Kevin just said is Fonzie. Jump the shark so in case you did not know this this. If you've heard the perm jump the shark you're probably like what do you mean jumped the shark. That's when a show like does something so ridiculous that they've jumped the shark while it's because of Fonzie right that episode where Fonzie went waterskiing being I think literally jumped over a Shar and that point we all okay we're done with happy days this dating myself jetsons yeah I got well so fonzie and so people are like still okay. She explained dumped the sharp who the hell is Fonzie. Fonzie Fonzie was on a show called happy days where it was back in the fifties and Fonzie was the cool all dude in the black jacket who would be like hey walking in and he was the cool do so when Fonzie the cool dude with the greasier hair and all that kind of stuff when Fonzie went water skiing and jumped a shark what the heck is on okay. We're GONNA see Mike. My childhood is over right now. Younger than US Henry winklers still doing lots of lots of amazing stuff out there. You know it's amazing how he can reinvent himself after so yeah because that was a serious typecast there who who else in our day and age is probably typecast like that. I mean mindy failing to me new girl for the longest time I mean she I it's hard for me to see her as anything other than the new girl who else is kind of in that role autocracy Steve Carell of the Office Agabi while you know at Jonker since he's all of a sudden an action star and I'm like no come on you're the office well and listen John Krasinski and Jack Ryan if for any of the females or actually anybody who admires the male form so Kevin. I know this isn't really you if anybody in Myers the male form John Krasinski in Jack Ryan is the real treat so and in addition to that the storyline was excellent but yeah I'm getting. I'm really showing a side of me that I don't show very often but but nice eye candy. There's no way to go the Amazon scenario will. I'm going to include a link to the jump the shark video because I have not seen that in years. I'm going to include that so that people will know what the Heck Fonzie. What's a season to Jack Ryan? They're doing another one right. I hope so hope so too because I really like I hope so and I love to see the breakdown on the demographics that watch that because anytime any time I say oh. Have you seen Jack Ryan. The only thing like you obviously aren't going to say this when a girl and I are talking about this. The first thing we talk about is who knew Jim look like that. That's exactly what we say and when I go back and look at old episodes of the office I still can't see you know we're more than just objects Damato on. I don't know Chris. Hemsworth is a certain object for me. I I took great pride and fat but were there the avengers of this like the I I saw fat thor and I thought I still would I still would I mean Fat Doors Still Thor Ovilla Louisville our goals and some of you who don't watch any of the Marble avengers films. I'M GONNA put up a picture of because I've seen it a comparison of regular door with fat for and so you can decide for yourself and I don't really need Listener Mail on that but you know if you need to share your opinion pleased Lorie all right. We're going to wrap this up Kevin any last thoughts looking forward to Asia in San Francisco United Speaking together and it's going to be a a lot of fun and hope we see a lot of our folks out there and the viewers to gray restless are absolutely so again. Thank you so much for listening a check us out on whatever podcast provider you have subscribed. We'd love some ratings really would appreciate it and if you have any ideas future episodes or if you have a story to tell. Nobody told me that that you'd like to share there is a form on my website to sign up. Shoot me an email at Theresa Odyssey M._G._M.. T. 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Episode 62 Sue Quinn  Journalist and Cookbook Writer

Humans of Hospitality

1:37:26 hr | 9 months ago

Episode 62 Sue Quinn Journalist and Cookbook Writer

"Welcome to the PODCAST. Where together every Monday? We explore hospitality in. It's very broad sense from culture and cooking cocktails coffee. Nutrition and following politics on Animal Welfare Organic and Sustainability Family of business entrepreneurship. Much much more common with me. Mark Crib about where our food and our drink comes from and the businesses and more importantly the human beings thrive on where we decide to spend our time and money sign up to a weekly newsletter humans of Hospitality Code at UK and hit. Subscribe on your podcast player of choice. I have waited very long time to interview this week's guests but patients has paid off and I'm utterly sure this program will blow or the very least. Open your mind just a little bit more. It's about those tiny little creatures without whom this podcast would not exist in the sense that so much of the food and drink. We eat is dependent on this insects. Ability to pollinate plants Mark Rogers owner of twin ways orchard has immersed himself in the world of bees for many years now whilst I knew were important and I knew they were being threatened for a very long time of wanted to speak to an expert. About what exactly is going on and why we should be concerned. Mark will reveal parts of bees. Lives that sound. They belong to science fiction and yet they're happening all around us without us even noticing for instance. I thought being Queen Bee was a pretty nice gig but it turns out. She's not the boss tool but the hives ex slave being heard around by her inferiors. And did you know that honeybees greedy vandals? Give them half a child's on their rip a hole in the bomb of flour to get the nectar leaving nothing for other types of insects whose tongues were designed specifically for that plants and will pollinate it properly and we haven't go to the figure of adults that bees do and the amazing things that it tells other bees or how long bees can survive when they're parked in the post. When you listen I hope you learn as much as I did and I hope that you'll never want to spray your roses or any of your other Donald Trump's again please enjoy this week's compensation. Just thank you so much for agreeing to be on the podcast. Hugely appreciate it. I can just people listening. Where on planet Earth Are we? Please lower stores that. Were in the rolling hills of male plash. Blame Matton fairly wet and Windy Day. Well tonight There's no reaction going on. We are wasting between two storms on. This date is where people listening. Hopefully by the time this spring and then we daffodils and stuff everywhere bees buzzing around the moment we're wedge between storm. Kiara and Storm Dennis in the depths of winter. Does that mean visa asleep? They are to an extent Zia. It's so mild has been the they aren't really properly hunkered down. They keep thinking on copyright things. Starting to flower we plan various. Things are kind of like litmus test for what the bees are up to out there and they are kind of flying they use more energy flying to collect the nectar than they will actually have anything. Left surplus store amazing. Okay well we're GONNA come to all of that stuff and I don't being so wanting because we've hassled you every couple of months so the probably last year to come and have a conversation about bees because we see lots of stuff in the press and and I've had so many conversations about food and drink comes from an unconscious bees apart the food chain. So we're GONNA come into my little bit but first of all when you say the word be people even think. I think I said it's my son this morning. How many species there are an honor gave the answer? Roughly close. I think people think. Bumblebees and they think honeybees. But there's actually a lot in the world. Yeah depending on where you are on the world. Different the different niches that needed filling in different ways. Say have great big up in the Himalayas as huge fees that make comb outside high enough of the cliffs and you have a tiny like sweat as I think and Australia and of other parts of the world where they make honey and little water balloons and hang them in the nests some that make nests like wasps sort of like a spiral pattern and some of the work on hers onto planes in some welcome vertical planes and Iva the type that we have an episode differ predominant in the species that Pham Wise. They're anybody apis Melissa. And the I mean there are people have over here. Is it GonNa look at you like a colony of one thing or another? Just as a kind of Ozzy would keep maybe in a different type of pat other. Okay really any just overhead. Then they're Kinda like localisms so in the same way that you can tell if someone's from Komo's although Oh Davenall Dole said. Oh Oh oh London Manchester Newcastle from certain inflections or even facial characteristics. You have different being asked Don. Hey you might have sort of a docker type of deal them off in bays of being brought in from other areas we've got right mix of stuff. Some of them are kind of bright yellow Antonio Brown and tim kind of Toda show so they're all the same species the same species but after different characteristics colored hair is straightened to accommodate the said this before we came on air. Yeah around the species of cows in the fact that we used to have all of these species almost regionalized in the same way. Jeeze actually moved away from that as we bought over the European kind of big cows. But we seem to be going back to it. I knew it was exactly the same in bees. Yeah yeah predominantly. We've ended up with EPA Smith and that's part of the problem with diseases parasites that we have is that digestion come from For example the Varroa around saying was originally effect. Today is Serena and say they've kind of evolved Eva. Really time to live with each have wears Davis Melissa. I never had for the shock of coming into contact with them. The colonies in his eighties Late eighties early nineties day. The they just haven't had the time to come to terms of basically on the same scenario with the Asian Hornets that same Dale. The thing is who come in wish subspecies now but they will like Enclose the Hornets in a sort of scrum of bees. I hate it to kill the Hornet whereas a metaphor. They haven't figured that out yet. They just kept picked off on the doorway and the the Hornet just eats them. Wow Okay we're GONNA come back to this one of my questions later and so there are a number of low to B.'s. Presumably in the wild is. Yeah and then there's also femme bees and they coexist they extend. Yeah here there's you have say we've got hurry an ear sort of high twenties of actual bumblebees in this country and different species is Andy. Who More or less finishes and Watkins very specific ways the nest in the ground. Woo or masonry timber B.'s. The APIS metaphor they they were while companies and there are some welcome news. But mostly 'cause the vera they wiped out of town say the majority of the population of base. Vc honey-based capped by some it might not be filmed It might be that scenario Debbie couple of highs in the garden. And you have competition between the to oversee. The Honeybee is Numerous tens of thousands of as far as the wallabies might be very small colonies. The hundred couple hundred because of the way that they forage and store. Say The reason why we've exploited the honeybee that we is because she will go out and collect laser nectar MC later honey stole from wooden she needs and then come back to that store in the winter because they rely on each of will to survive free to winter but like a penguins huddling taking a ton on outside. When it's really coat that little of Creek Though to maintain their own temperature through the numbers whereas the while base the sack off the colony in the autumn and just the Queen's will hibernate. Say That's why you'll find what looks like a dead big really large Bumblebee In your shoes or your Monday plant Paul something. And that's why they don't need so much honey and Because I knew the Queens of us all the other dog. And then she lays eggs children dot lane Joe collect pollen macklowe bowl pollen and then show next her been captured. I A low of cocoon almost depending on the species and then hatches so squirm around but like an accurate at that point yet with an Pollen which is the protein and then that that's how those dot getting a numbers out and then the crazy thing with as where they and the Queen's stole the semen they need for their entire life and they decide whether they fertilize unfertilised. Egg and and B's bizarre in the a Mayo Bay has half the Kramer's aims so it's a hap lead individual and the females. Because I have two sets of chromosomes from the mother and the Father. Today they end up being deployed. Today have twice. As many chromosomes. Right focus is on the queen can lay males says she can they a few workers females who is a famous to help build a nest up when they start laying. Mayo's that's when the enough females around of set an age that they will start to be able to fly and then when they will reach sexual maturity the females can be made are going to be carried forth to be Queens for the next year. And then that's how you got the Queen's the other Just died in. The winter is just absolutely is already where it's such a strange bees up a whole insects occupy such a weird niche in between what we see and what we know what we this is why. I love having these conversations people donor so the queen could decide whether it wants to layer or have a male or female walk job is required and the high health and stores the Colony Mason. Insane happens in in the with the honeybees managed differently right and predominantly. That's because I'm making store so much much food for the winter and therefore thousands of them can stay alive. Yeah through the winter so you can see why they dominate them. Basically yeah you have a heck of a lot of of honeybees. That were bumblebees. Effectively the big parties. Would you say because you have to extract that that's in Mexico? They actually do. I think they call them sweat based but they're like a bumblebee basically but smaller and they have the they make a nest in a box or cavity of some so and they then. Lilo bunches of grapes with talks cutoff. Like Lowe's sachs like a bag of the Road Iva took Iran and they will secrete the honey into these new Paltz and they're on the way they actually harvest the honey Suck the honey at these tiny little parts to collect the honey consumption for human consumption. How spunk as the Nowadays Syringe? But I was back in a day just use stroll like a bit of stroll across or something and then just that truly sucked up out of the Hukou before a time consuming process. They honey about two hundred dollars a kid. Yeah I mean it's overseas known Valley's Agriculture's. It's not worth anything I should think. But it's likely it's priced. How much work is going into it. But that's amazing. Some you know look at it and say. Oh never worth that much good if you act pollen case for human wjm craziness were Bro. Jelly Too Jealous I. If these monks backpacks home vacuums getting around and to suck in the Bro Jelly out of the South Bay. Get about probably full mill. Putz what do they do that? Who Make it in? The face really isn't the Royal Jelly at this is important. I was one of my questions. Related now is this. Is this something to do with the Queen you can say. The Queen is a direct sister of the workers. Says she's exactly the same Know exactly I was 'cause might say like twenty different. Father figures the absent because at dead Monday made Wednesday may rips. Gino's on die. I'm just outwear so that they might be like. Twenty sets of male governs on the. That'd be that much variation of sisterhood. Because he needed a mate. The female and the Queen's they decide they're gonNA make a Queen Dow inundate the Baby X. Phase WITH ROW. Jelly say she has just The ultimate nutrition that anything that makes a different than makes her ivories kicks into gear and then she as owner of the instinct to mate and Sort of another life while the Queen only the Queen can make the World Ellie Note. Now that the queen lays the eggs. Yeah so she died. She is just a slave shares in no way the like okay. Those actually she is. She is Eric slave and by herder around feeding her or not feeding depending on what they want to do a while they would let the boss. But there's an exclusive queen. Nice run at Posse job. Yes she just lays the eggs and the workers will through the level of firemen's body so we call for a long time quyen fair-minded. I haven't bread up enough on the mice. Recent sort of views on it but basically. I think it's probably more to do with the level of Brood. That's open say number ten. Please do the Brood. Say the lifestyle. Gosh so a queen as Nagara discussed that so I know then. In a few days time they add Bush looks like a grain of rice but a miniature flips over onto its side and hatches into like lava. Which at that point Really and for the first few days has just enough row jelly to sustain it and then it will pay several times at tens of into more like. We're familiar with it. Kinda grubbed having these pep boys on it. And then it's it's actually looked like babe still translation. And then the cap the Sallai wireless prepaid ten and the thing. That the the Pupa this in the south ways coons industrialists thing sheds layers and then when a hatch is it's sort of really fuzzy but is access Basically firm complete and that is the point The feeding of the Royal Jelly stops for the rest of the population of has after about three days. But the road given to queen is like APPs that can eat as much as she wants. And and the lack of a decent nutrition basically stops the working of the normal base. There's also some suppression with Goddamn with the fair managed. The active queen does release but depend if there's lots of open brood is about to be sailed than that's going to be a logjam situation while they run out of space and unless he has decided that that would be the point of when they would school say when they start to sense what would be naturally coming to a full high scenario. That's when the woman and create another colony Baid. Bees are like bees individually like cells specializing. Like we have have and skin and is in the united stuff that regenerates samurais entirely with them and a colony of bees is like a human as a whole animal so the different specialisms organs and once that bulks reaches like being done than. That's the point when they say right weaken. We've we've done our job we can move on and start another cut an dot site reproduction. So they reproduce on two levels they like us. So sal was rape achieves but everybody's like we reproduce sexually so they have this need to know when they need to kick into gear and they different cues some of them some of them space in some kind of a mash up with a two and once they reach a point. Then they'll stop stopping the Queen and then they'll stop fading up a few ACQUAINTAN- once that Queen is sealed. The existing Queen will fly off with so the core of the beast of their work in for her style. Another colony and then the queen's that are left behind will hatch fighter death and the one remaining one will be the next life thus just because how do we know this. We've been studying them for a while. Yeah I mean a lot of the staff was declared you think at the time to sort of sit around and pundits things over time is what everybody's Bend B.'s industriousness. Or they're sort of apparent hierarchies to that political theological way I work is they've got it. Work is our. They're all like. Is The monarchy isolated? It's like women tightly. Linda reese because the females run the whole system. The males are only brought into the same when the Queen's need to be made and as soon as the the outside situation and there's not enough feed or season the women just ripped the legs and wings of the blogs and check them out to die really game. There is no sentiment. That's interesting doesn't work so well together. You know they just tolerate a male. Just totally different. Yeah I think it's just the way it is. We think it could make the decisions that we have. That's why that ended up with a patriotic. Said like say scattered x like against I love it so I may come back to some some geeky questions later jumped ahead a little bit but before we do really I said to you before I just love the fact that somebody specializes in everything. I find the Moore fascinating so it's brilliant but the Kiwis and I guess we'll see bees in the press. Is this constant? Kinda like there's not enough bees. That's the destruction of of colonies for whatever reason and then it's kind of the impact of that and that headline starts with no bees. No food no human race at that level of extreme over there quite pretty and they look nice the orchards. Yes why are bees so important and is it is it the honeybees because it sounds like they dominate basis crazy? Done thirty. Say you've got plants. Went injury. Jays and baseline to sustain themselves and plants evolved to produce nectar not to bring about plants that need to produce reproduce with crossbreeding sexually Triploid THEM SOUTH CON reproduce without needing extra genetic material For therapy tation. They have learned to lure visa in. Say a different. I mean you think something's people hate wasps example but wasps specifically pollinate certain things and bees specifically pollinate certain things gross. And what have you done there are wind pollinated trees implemented but there are a lot of things that we taste nice not grass that needs pollination say the plants learn if they secrete something sweet that attract insects just BS sorts of insects. And then they'll get the pollen stuck backs a legs as it happens. The pollens also great protein sources. There's a convenient people think that honey is made from pollen. It's because that's what you see on the bees legs but it's the neck to they make honey from they. Then take that back and in doing so Though visit not supplant so they're spread deployment about that's the way downstairs evolved millions of years and we've stepped into that and thought we can dominate. The system we perceive do is just get it wrong because we look at the system. Close enough we just see where we can get the quickest buck cabot. Sadly and Zona Sunlight agreed. Yeah yeah that's why the population sample and diversity. Important to us. He just keep bees and feed them wireless. Before I'm more Contacts I had access to big fields of what was hit right which was great. You may later honey and everyone really loved it spy will be key Biscayne Would sell really well but the base would end up. Having just eaten one thing ages. I mean like if anything for ages on its I even. If it's really good for you still you make you deficient somewhere else i. It's funny how that special we specialize on certain things in hand in a two species varieties of crops And everybody needs to me. We need diversity to maintain by a food secure and we also need devastate to maintain the security of the ecosystem around us. Because you know they just have the one type of food. That histov will become deficient in things and the same with us if we if we job the base then which shelf in a salads end of the day. I'm the only pollinator. There's lots of insects. Pollinate is the issue that we're seeing in partly through monoculture pastures bay. We come to those Is it affecting pollinators? So what it is is like we have come to depend on. Just a few things allow say. Say like take almonds for example. We love energy into farming. A few varieties one crop in way in one space and we've become very dependent on that thing. Yeah there are other things that we come become very dependent on his one type of faded before we had just eaten likely that feed while we when we had it and we the story if we could we had a surplus but now we bring in from all over the world and we we we are not saying about things just globalization. It's just the way it is because some people would say but anyway by doing so we've ended up putting constant pressure on the system over time like when it wouldn't be under pressure know many say the bees which have come along and add polite set in this country. You'd have they wake up at you. Know that. Feed on some early nectar pollen get us go in and then you have say offer kick in that kind of be the natural time to stop and I'd store by extra for themselves. And then his a la and you'll have the heterogenous dot coming to and then you know maybe before you might have some flowering crops and then you have the yeah our ably and then you have some clave and stuff kicking in your brand booze and as an fruit trees and that sort of like constant just background but the way that we farm staff and I'm not saying you know there's no real way round it with the way that we found is all intense over time so we want the bees to be like smashing out the part of the almond. We smash out of the park for the blueberries for the yeah for April cards for the suffering for the beans for the apples plums. Pears you name it and that's not how it was just like Tabby Josh Flat on the floor over time and that just we now they. Evan bans out saw and how they is there an alternative way of pollinating things. You have to these guys to do this. Presumably they've had major cock-up some puzzle. What ended up having a hand pollinate and it's pretty labour-intensive see labour-intensive specific breeding programs. And it's not something you WanNa data law. Yeah Yeah if you want to create a new variety of apple we'd take parents in control the the federalisation upon from one and stick it on the other vice versa type thing but we don't really have commented on Camacho. Let's go and do you need these Avondale of Wis- I in the middle of amyloid Jude. I suppose business yeah. They involve on annual basis. What happens so you'll orchard if there's no bees well you just got less fruits. They've got an apple some time. Cisco Weird to the defamation into its is so big concave area and oil you have a case tangent that I do all those carryover. Suiko when you get like we win says Tangent. But you've got bits where there aren't any corn on the COB that's why you haven't got ideal pollination nations you'd have. Sufri like say raspberries and yeah we just got off of it. And then you've got the core in the middle because it wasn't punished properly. Same apples with Pez. I've had passed before that have just hardly anything. And then you bring you bring basins equation whether that's by improving the habitat and natural base because they work much harder than the honeybee pollination because the game is road more important for them say the Basic Got Nice won't box eleven whereas when that starts kicking off in the seasons the that's when the wild honey. Bumblebees are totally desperate to have all the pollen. Ooh The protein and they can get because they're trying to increase numbers from nothing. Save some things that just I would just wind free. I've had varieties PAB before we're going to most going to rip out 'cause he's a rubbish group as into the equation and they just fruiting properly and more consistently okay because in my naive head. I suppose I'm thinking be IOS alone and there's no is across Malaysia in this important new plans but it's literally so apple trees out our window. Fifteen hundred fifteen hundred. Yeah and does. Every apple needs to be pollinated. Yeah Yeah unless you have a AAA dry. Assembly Brownies triploid. So they sell Fateh so can just be the wind tap in the branches to govern The amount of cross pollination because there's three different sets of information to to get to go hit the Jackpot did you say you said fifteen hundred. Yes each how many apples do your nutri rave out one hundred per tree while and every one of those apple's had a a visit from a pollinator of every afternoon need to apply to two thousand and saying that crop of say something like beans used to combine white used to stick the bees out of cedar drive rise to the failed for the bays to put them down. Kirschner crop. But you could see a big semi-circular even a- circle Cadillac a Umbro around the beehives and the head literally fill up faster as you drive into that crop and you'd have to slide a combined down and as you get further away from the highs it within Macau again. And he's had these sort of like circles of productivity infertility coming away from the bay hives B.'s lazy as well like us. You know as much as busy any other fly. Free climate is yeah. They're going to fly. Recon say we'll have that for a flight back in a storage on that so I just got this guy says I can get what they need. A and say yeah. We have to spread the beat out for the fruit orchards. Move and how serious then. Seriousness as if we don't have them clearly sounds disastrous. I couldn't imagine going around. Fifteen hundred trees with a little syringe. The brush sounds quite. You're going to need a lot of kids. Aren't you to to pull that off? And how serious is the problem where we are? This is global warming and this might be. We're fifty years away. We'll take of it. I think we are in the thick of it and I think that it's really hard to know whether we'll just become more realistic about it and work it out unplanned consumption to be more sustainable over. We'll just manage to keep finding fixes to keep on going through but you know. Kinda like On the path extol As we've seen in previous as you know you have major setbacks. We've ideas on. We've lost suit up with fifty percent of stock of winter. Why is just not enough money into it to really know why in the states where they've got big high value crops massive anchorages? They are interested in researching. But I've been speaking to us. Before at agricultural things sort of seminars and things that didn't even realize some of the crops they are growing were insect pollinated. And I'm not trying to be like derogatory about. I'm not saying should have known but I'm just saying there as at disconnected here. Yeah well I don't think there's any excuses a farmer's ops. I have that disconnect did not fully appreciate but then I went to a butcher. The other day was a trade show. Local produce trade show and one of the came to restaurants and he said you interested in a new supplier. My first question to him was what are your carols. Eat and he let me let me Tacoma's bonkers and he said I'm doing this for twelve years and nobody's ever asked me what my cousy house I really. That's an absolute start for me. I don't WanNA process until I know what you're Kathy grass so they Ingraham these. Wow nobody's ever asked he said I'd have to phone someone and find out what the cows easy and I was like. I seems a bit depressing. So that somebody in the trades imagine. Yeah if a farmer who doesn't know that it's insect pollinated. So what other things? We've got this issue that we're working hard and we've got this monoculture thing we've got nutrition. What are the other things that are affecting it is? Is it right around this pestilence pesticide for things that we know hey facts say I mean I am caught novel situation where I've by growing the crops and kept vase and appreciate the seed dressings INEX- based off like a major step forward in the U on having to spray as many times? So in theory should be great. You're not putting all these campos into the environment killing staff sort of on a blanket basis. It's not kind of a mess. Wipeout situation but uh the damage that it does their papis. It isn't isn't the problem but the we've got figgers gave back to the tangent. I try and keep myself as much on the pages. Plus say uncle used to keep bees off and we when I saw keeping bees he was a catalyst that we looked back his records and look how much more honey to get from the OC ripen from the things linseed. Isn't that weird? And so I went to speak to the couple of reps and say look these varieties that we used to gray. What do we use to look for? Records Yeah twit really hasn't changed so it was changed in that time then to those. C- jetsons changed and this was before Hoopla really so also at this point wants to see dressing dressing Audi. Yeah so it's like sort of like a paint substance with The solution of suspension of Like toxic bit said it'd be something make the Eight them Berry. There are those The thing Roth siege routing on the ground that will be a just give the best possible stop in the ground because she's doing on such a massive scale you die. You're not ECON tend to wooden God nor in London so The dressing is applied to seed the before it sewn into the ground into the soil oil and this particular one. Nanak a bunch of guys into the soil the soil of the picks up for the moisture picks up this the this ingredient and creates a like a halo effect around the seed and then when it grows draws it to saas join the nutrients from the soil back into the stem of the plant. The plan then becomes like some sort of a DC comic superhero. Where is it's imbibed? This magical chemical in anything that bites it gets Li-fu days of the chemical who damage proper scientific stomach insecticide. Wow basically and say. We didn't have that before. What how long have we been using this early ninety s and and so? I had this conversation with this guy and he just tell you candidly just explained this change. And I didn't know about it and I was putting it on for years. We carry on spraying for for the east to the Pollen. And for their blooming. F is eat the crop totally unecessarily. Say we're like double dicing so okay right less. So we took a seventy five acres of farm on our of conventional converted to organic and various things and this is not a friend of Mine Thurman. Hey caboche factor and he his a beekeeper and he said Even if you're getting fifty percent of what you say again which is the post. Hip factor than. Yeah that's amazing so replied ten acres paddocks of Forage Full Bays just for the base Initially the fast single flowering of the ten acres have about seventy acres. I think we made so much honey that we paid for older the ground preparations for the whole acreage or of the seed that we bought and some of the McCain who expenses and the first crop that single paddock flower free times and there were four of like a so. It's a flawed than we put all that shit on the seats but if not the same the mix that particular explanation fixing Max and on the following year. We cut it facade age and it yielded the ground is rubbish at being back The green revelation had choice. Liden entirely Pasta by was is the soil was like just just rubbish and the equivalent improvement in yield was probably about quivalent Hundred fifty hundred seventy kilograms of nitrogen that would have been applied but we'd obviously have no known action applied because it was just come up for the roots and the the crops say rich is while the Riemann digestible protein which is effectively That remained in the in. The stems of the crop. Wichita visited and made inside was as high as the dairy cake that people buy in and feed their cows. The milking just feels like A. I'm not GonNa say this just thinks that guy is smoking team. He's got layoff ever zone because economy token sense but that sort of winter we we were trying to work. I was having a rotation that were terribly that would fix enough not to fall out with a crop. That would not fixes. I night show need not shouldn't to grow like we will body and then kind of work that cross we try to we try Lighted Ping sunflowers and buckwheat and some that as completely mad. Buckwheat was amazing but it was so far had a Known even knew we was even trip in NYC and some people that are now set in it. Were you talking about French? Is Sarah's on this thing Y- yeah and they what really well and so taking away that the dressing and everything. You just have to walk away from around. So you've done this. On a very micro level as it been anyone else gone maybe not bunkers. 'cause we should try or a few people sort of so about various different levels about Netherlands in Zion. Trusted the thing you know. That's that's what I'm talking about with a intensity. Hurries WORRIED ABOUT LEASING. A little bit and the the still fly on on this treadmill. Yeah I'm probably the fear factor. 'cause I suppose you huge reenact. We had like five eight five Acre products that will so you could take the pundits so I don't know a few years. I'm trying to Watson couple months ago. Spos- down river for organics. Were trying to do in this. And there's some good stuff in organics and there's some bad stuff yeah in organics going on that label mean much to me anymore. Seems but one of the team was in in the sterilization of soil. And you can buy poke organically Doesn't may ninth nothing to crow. Poke ON SCALE. That's financially viable. It's not humane is not sustainable. That's Be Sustainable in the long time. He has got to be affordable for the environment. Not just for us You can buy affordable And Kota organic eleven. Yeah and I think that's probably the complication I guess around. What does that mean? Does Obama no pesticides fertilizer or does organic mean sustainable from an environmental perspective? I suppose I don't get too angry too. That's okay so so one of the reasons is basically this. Is Your question no question if you can remember it was. I'm just kidding. What else is impacting? The bees the apponator so one of the things is is potentially not even just the stuff whispering but this kind of seed missing which is fascinating. Nutrition's a big issue. So which which I guess is what that is basically what's to be eating. It's either eating monocultures. It was too much of the same thing always eating something. That fundamentally got some way what they were saying about the staff was that the dais for bays is really high competitive the application rate but there were two butts without is the bee's concentrate net to make honey yes like it's fifteen percent moisture when it in a jar to dry as would this much sound but the Motiwala when it comes in is probably something like ninety percent right. So they're concentrating the chemical down. Okay it's over there eating say very small amount of poisoning alone time. It's still going to Dave in. Sneck the book it's not lethal NBA's really selling point. Not least they're alive. Yeah but they don't say brilliant they might be using ten percent of the honey and it might be crap okay and this is not just UK. This is a global issue wherever there's presumably industrial but there must also be parts of the world. I suppose if you go into I'm trying to think of Amazon will parts of European. They're still honeybees. Outlive is doing their thing. North by humans. Yes amazing like you see these wild colonies in Poland sort of more dry stable climates yup no example of that but that's that's the nation be funny nation Yeah and and they just make honey and breed. Well we used to be. The climate is different and I never had a problem getting queens mated say once that and what economic queen the Queen then flies in estimate in return a never had a problem with that even with the INEX- Knowing stuff going on and we moved here we just we. We came here with two a new coach. Just just free for. We just couldn't keep becoming numbers up just down on it and We now actually use artificial insemination to an extent to manage the numbers. And you don't know what. Well now we're not really. Do you think that might be because you you now planting to try and Reserva yeah we day but We've got to the point where that was kind of by reducing the numbers. We realized it could be that was a lack of food because safety bates in the area that we knew supported. Mobis still had set. The I do something else say. We went down the road looking into that. We actually found lots. And lots of the Mayo The giants inviter really high-percentage. What's that is that something that you know something that picking up the orchards? Whoever it's chemical that we probably I'm putting on somewhere over. Its feather field. I mean it's across the board older note. Okay and that specific to this location run. Yeah but you don't have ten acres of buckwheat and that's yeah I mean if you smashed nutrition then inappropriately. Ubs Not that we've done experiments with feeding them yet retaining pollen from other areas and feeding it to them and saying that affected the drying facility. And we've tried excluding them from certain things and yeah. It's literally a lawyer. The Vera is a big factor. The when we changed our treatment plan for a variety of Cycle. Look good crap like. Oh Yeah I said I will disc flex outside Nasty Bites the back of the gets on the back of the Bay and Bites under the Sexists Jason out basically feeds on it and they tend to attack the male is more because they day she paid for longer. There in the life cycle takes a little longer again. Never mail scenario beef and say they get prioritized. Mo- heavily and that's a factor. Say No one had also helped. But it's still the still way less fertile than you to imagine it would be. And how do you control the verbal? This acid Honey and you apply duff periods when there is no honey around Vaporizes acid up through the colon. It broke the mouth piece of our well. That's that's pretty crazy. Well isn't yes okay. So how many hives? If you go here Alan and he probably about sixty or say okay right. And then you've got an altered and the orchard is to feed the beast domino now. It's just a cycle very. I think that's the other thing that family needs to be as more of a cycle motorcycle understanding that there are you can make a little bit of money over the air and just keep yourself dot com or even five and not have to just be like hammering tongs at it for like really intense periods working sort of free the night to get things done we have the bees make honey and we have some bees as well and we saw some queens and the apple juice and we sell some apple juice from who says that and then we keep telling Idaho Cycle that everything fits in together and then the bees as well as the honey that we saw they say make wax with them a cadaver products and it's old about that maximizing the return what you have not just saying growing something that no one wants to stop and then winning that no one wants to buy it and then not making enough margin on it. Anyway what would you do that? It seems to be vicious cycle becomes. I've I've mentioned this book. Curfews on the omnivores dilemma of YOU MOZZAMMEL. And he talks about that. I'd skip come up on on the PODCAST. Historically so moving into was probably not solution but I suppose going back to the reason to this is this is perfect because we have this information. You read these headlines. So it's true is an issue a lot. WanNa help you sometimes go to these little events and the National Trust or somebody will do something where they give out. These little packets of seeds is in Canada can the homeowner who chokes a few extra plants. That are attractive to bees and other pollinators in their garden is that is that worthwhile is about that. It's about everybody. Having mole move variety for longer. Not We had a lovely sight in a village by the seat but enough people that that Scott was lovely be interested in the bays but one of the neighbors every day for about four years killed owed of the base in one day span arises known. We had to give up the site. Because why would you keep doing that? Yeah the first couple of times but then it wasn't. It wasn't an it's just that we can't keep doing. This is Biz in the valuable to us and if they are dead that I not just not producing. Then they're not valuable to us and they'll say the start spraying sodium raises leave your blooming dandelions around leave areas of the place uncapped US Habitat. It's not just for us to look like so flippin earth basically okay and then there seems to be of growth. You know I know. I know a couple of olives. Talos trying to Charles. This was now but he had a couple of beehives outside his window. Used more people may be on rubes. Is that helpful bringing bringing hides into. This is how it's helpful because bays are amazing way of connecting people to environment more broadly when appropriate dyed-in-the-wool out costs dinosaur style from everybody looked at me like God alone. Harry way scapegoats half pipe. Thon idia was chuck. And I got these BS and it was like Flippin. Stick him a fee. It's like walking around bath overtime. Just sort of a sudden I'm the What's flower in his soil? Enough moisture net for that. It'd be nectar in actual flowers when it when they when they start to blossom. You know all these different interconnections suddenly became like really in focus and that was kind of that is the best about base. And if that if you can get the staked on the importance of the whole system than in a that would be the answer but downside is that just another full of intensive agriculture. Now you might have fifty sixty thousand babies in a colony in the middle of the summer and they are just going to pillage the entire area an earlier. Mattru naturally occurring. Bumblebees and solitary. Bees are just going to be pushed out to the mountains where we need to encourage them as as ones that were hottest Season and a mole naturally important because they are fulfill Monica's okay classic like sorry tangent say a honeybees thou cheat sometimes and now just rip a hole in the bottom of the flower to get the nectar inside the nectar out that way whereas the right insect to put an eight that plum have the right length tongue or the right landing apparatus to get on the flower. Get in there and get the nectar and the pollen indiscipline around with Evancho and off with an actor gets more complicated. So fundamentally plant gardens with lots of cool flowers yeah spray you roses and that actually maybe don't bring mobis in fact what you really. WanNa just try. Luby's yeah and with the neighboring OJ. It's kind of a project on trying to increase the natural putter natives by having more diversity of flowers around for longer and that was one of the big pluses from the from the project. We did before with the paddocks with just the whole ecosystem just went bananas. Had Oh these extra neckties. Millions of wild colonies. Abadie so much so that the budget you stick around digging them out. The ground hit him with the Mo we comfort a modem and we never noticed bees in the perfusion in the ground making nests in the ground to the extent we'll ever ever ever hair a bee colony that had been dug up by by out the ground ever before and say with that came all of the birds that were in. You know I mean the wildlife ranger black because I was a wildlife dosage life thing it opposite on the other side of the bank and they sit there and have lunch because I just blown away in the. How many different species? We're having them in profusion of them and just you know we huge Maturations of a few just stuffy didn't see in such big numbers because there was just an abundance. Mazen you get an abundance nature like us. Make trying to make it work. Yeah that was another movie. I saw that plane again. We know about about bees and chloe. We live this reminded find the link was but it was. It was a farmer in America and it was an orchard. Actually and it'd be completely decimated and there was just like a dusting of snow and they had an expert come in to kind of help them and I think it was something like a seven year plan around and it was kind of ultimately nature will sort it out in that period where they were making incremental changes they'd get completely infested with or whatever it might be. There was a certain road and I think that came in. And you know this. This kind of us was eventually guarantee you. Nature will find the balance but actually to have the money in the resources and the Bulls and the time to go through the net takes out bows. I had lost a lot of stick for the some of the stuff. I did likely is to try and isolate strips of weeds in the middle because when you plant in orchard you have Bucks the will completely destroy new trees in that setting back. The men are completely destroyed. Below make massive impact within twenty. Four hours I'd swear those lead have across. Didn't have the wage gap in it got really bad mouth attack and really bad eva tax and different types of. It's the which is where I used to let. The big swaths of weeds grow as high as the trees in the middle of none of that. No problems too. But the Mass Pike have on neighbors ringing me up ten. They wanted to ally should meltdown. Flippin family was telling me I should note that random people that would drive in by with just swear right to the point where I had to cut him down. And what do you and I tonight? If it's dry Mbacke. Yeah this is where this will be a not want to diversification. Let up sheep and the goats. Isn't it going? Yeah I mean we we have where sheep and hey if be careful with that because they will then they learned how the trees are the lead them to scumbags. Well always was the trigger. Do you remember when you first got interested in bees. How this is the story of life or it's just I just fooled from one thing to the next on code. Who had the baby's face hit book to go on? Akerson REFRESHER TYPE. Course with this couple. Who are really The sort of big big big big lakes area that she moved to go now and They this quite hard to get a place on the coals. Say he space. Nicole is Jeff by had a hip resurfacing operation and couldn't go say. Of course you guy. I and just embraced a particularly enough on my plate. Is I work evenings and just guy so I went. They were really miffed because they were expecting. Dr Dale After. Turn this yeah yes. It's going to be great. I got my long hair flipping teasha of the attitude and they CPA miffed and That got me in to the just how weird and flipping bonkers Beija and that was in probably about a window to Fezzan four or five and by that summer I had about fully beehives. Wow I'm just I'm just doing this. And the next year we started work out. Wh- ins and outs of gang the and doing that with spy. About two thousand seven or eight or something like that with going to conversion And then by that point we're about to a couple of hundred companies would you'RE GONNA goals? Now he just wanted to. I mean he traveled through East retired. Now travels around. He doesn't even have any babies. What was it on the evening then? The just spots that really. I think just seeing that was potential. That was this is the like patience agrarian. Emmy those this bit of Nisha that we weren't taking the of an initially as like I can make some money that road in our big peaks of lab have loaded word to cultivate the ground and drill it and then you know once every ten days he might have a spray around put some fertilizer out different context feed anyway fade out for the for the crops in light of work at harvest time and then store and a grain and getting it out and that's it and said it was a lot of time that I could say that the bees with fa in quite symbiotically with that and say yes that was it and then when I go them just connected. Everything's so much and I just thought of is like when compared to like a glass on and I haven't had caused until lawsuit three years and the first classic like random stuff do a timber Miller Leighton machine it and stuff and glasses on like crisis not just brown like a really interesting pattern. It and it was that grey and BS was like this Eureka moment just his connections in this site already. The kind of guy that was driving around in the door and dragged my arm for the soil so see what it felt like type thing but that was just suddenly this at home. I would like though these free trade with this. That Lewis had next to the house. No these fruit trees. It just never had fruit on them to the extent while had never applied around the time I was born. I'd never seen on them to try the fruit even and it was just like bang. There's this fruit everywhere and I really is based on. This isn't such a shock because I buzzed them. But that would have been avoided. Asked see many of them over time. Uh Yeah I can see why that would be signing did a mushroom foraging course with John. Winston and that was similar going into the forward. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly foraging ornaments underneath. See Potential yet. I you normally walk through the forest. Love it but the difference in level of presence when you were down looking under the under the leaves and under the logs and there was a whole world whole ecosystem now learned about the mis- mis- mis- Elian whatever. It's I'd mushrooms. Yeah it was just was just mind blowing so I can imagine so so the technical. Somebody wants to get a beehive altogether this fundamental size. Uvira Queanbeyan how does it actually work? I tend to tell people is gonNA find your local beekeeping sation club whatever and see if you can deal with the intensity of that many flying insects hovering around your head and potentially trying to sting you. It's not for everybody and if you think that's your bag than Echo Go we do courses but introductory courses you can spend an hour just around so more one on one with a colony and somebody that Nestle nicer equipment and then if you still think that's view then be a you've got to buy equipment by the box of the base guy in the cabins in a suit in and get some base. I've some people collects warms and from labels base. You call this valley but this woman. I just say that as we're talking to your own when the Queen's set and sales and the rest of the colonies happy that they're going to be the future of that individual colony the bees the now hamnes will fly around looking for a new catheter. Fail with bees. And some new Haim and say they will so hang off of a branch aside a sign or a Vance whatever whilst the scout base. Go Away and find the new home and in that time you can come in on the books or bucket. Whatever the bees into it and then put them in your house and they've not been here too long Decided that they're gonNA get a new spot because they have this mad system where it's like a digital accumulation Sense scenario where the base go away and measure these. Cavities voids out for tip for the perfect hyman. Then they'll come back through done so wacko dance another random tangent that one right now To say location if this spot figure some difficult my fingers and they will then send mobis off to look at this site and the movies that come back with the same figure writedowns will decide and then thou reach a trip in point whether little DOPP of enough of the mass of them decided that. That's what I'm GONNA go and they'll go there and you re democratic heavy moved the code only far enough away from where they've decided it's going to be that new human. You have no way of knowing whether new going to be then they'll go to the have anyway so you've gotTa get before. They've made the decision or take them sort of more than three kilometers away from and the thought. Weigel include the information as to where the location is. What do they follow each other? Direction and distance really belong accuracy like GPS jar of Sugar Syrup on one side of Taibu. Give it half an hour that decide. That's why that is other end of the table. And they were still be flying to the end where the honey was. The ship was five minutes before a couple of ski. Cool across the table is is moved. It's like how are they going? Yeah within zone. And they oughta mayoral. Romeo three or four kilometer base they can pinpoint something to do like almost like Pied Arise Division so they can see the Assad the angle of the Sun. They can tell whether they are some moves. Yeah does Dance Pass just bunkers near gets connecticut gets done for Midlife mazing. My son was worry when you were talking about it. Can you get your head around kind of light? Intervene stood in bees and not panic because he knows I've loved these for years conceptually and he was very nervous. When I was coming here this morning I come out with some talking about sheep in orchards. Am I seeing something she did you do did you? Press has appeared outside the window in your audit they keep the grass down the SEC. So no I'm not bunkers also will start listening to this podcast in and thinking I know shit which will be able to know that the brow level associated by the beat the piece. The sheep beaten everything but point. Okay right so you go out. You can find one of these songs you can take it home but yeah I need you need high putting Your Lounge. You put is in space. And the reason they like. What is it about these hives? That obey alike obsessive compulsive maniac said take it to the next level they are shaping space warriors. They love it they. They want a very precise gap between the lives of the south by the accent Precise gotten to another when they have really to move cavity. That elect to fail in. Its Dat Phan Width. And they like a specific entrance. Size and land was Dayton who got it. I think it was lens. Drove is a referendum so and he discovered that if you like layers. We couldn't frames frames of Beeswax in two weeks. The bees sent him out of the time would fill the frames when you take the frames out to look at the bees and that was the biggest advancement in beekeeping. Last few hundred years was that you could get them out and you could look to see whether they had honey whether they were healthy what they were doing before. You had these gaps retentions. Ns like a like a bucket made out of stroll and the only way you had to harvest honey was a kid all the base and sawed say for like several Hundred Years. People were breeding BS backwards to base. It made the most honey would wanna go killed every year and the ones that didn't have enough money at the end of the season would be the ones that would make it through to the next year to selectively breeding crap B.'s. Scabs his lovely romantic idea about the past. Yes like older bat rubbish. You're looking at it with raised in. Its back it wasn't as good back then. Yeah so how does it work in Hollywood? And what he's actually doing in say they have like a bird nest at the bottom. Which is the bigger box? And that has oh the lava an and people look like grubbs. Well they outcrops in them and then they'll still pollen down to feed them since the Source of protein a half and then also about hunting the boatman's well and then in the wild they would have fixed themselves to their to the ceiling of the space saver bill down but in a high if the heat rises and it's the heat they need in order to keep themselves alive Pathetic and they have to fully We've exploited them so we put these. Oh we put a filter on the top the stops to Queen Gain for you quit acquaintance clearer so she continent any accident atop though. That's the best. Buy Food to make the honey said that ooh honey on the top and then when there's enough honey will will take it. I mean some people will love. People will just take all Varney regardless. But we'd always leave enough honey that the bees because of these better fades honey than is to feed them should've syrup which is attentive because FM. We just talked about Ratto. Yeah okay So as fundamentally building up a story they've got that for the winter began. Take some of it away. And then they just keep replacing it base and because we kind of know the pragmatist alike. We've made it as similar to what they find idea. That's possible and they make the the structure that you see that they build that themselves. Yeah they they can build a completely scratch. We'll give them Kosova Foundation Lahya of wax with that in Boston to it that they'll look at and Follow from that. Foundation Foundation has stepped into it. And they'll can't look after themselves to me. How much management take much management? But they do. Need people advocate for no no import beekeeping. But that's kind of a little bit disingenuous really because if you Dane maintain store levels and that kind of health then you're neglecting. Gt Radio and also you could just be sending out LBJ infecting bees and producing various forms. You Dana about and then a neighbor's washing nine or whatever. And how do you maintain a healthy? Not Not there. The question saying that. That's really they need. The right diet. Need the right temperature that need protection from adamant. They need enough space right. Okay so you'd be open it up. Basically go in. Are they. Happy space to laying in order for the work day think basis start making some stopping the queen and swimming any to have enough food so all of the grades. Then he'd have enough moistening They've got four drink but not tea. Much mody over that. Okay so just give him a general. Julius love is fine but in sacks yeah okay but it's not like you're out there every once you've got food as warm season you might WanNa go and see them once a fortnight but once for Journos woman these needs to of nine ten days because within that period they can make salads that extent where they will be thinking about leaving them behind. I'm presuming that sort of end of some of that is now beginning beginning. Yeah so from sort of end of April till gene because they're producing so much of that house the main this does not the ideal time to re found a new colony because they have to build say to make wack style Cassim an amount honey and then though and they're all the jobs specific joints that Rented Age so a certain age they're able to produce wax a wax comes out of glands on their On that boat basically doing where the plates of the XS gotTa meet to notice from tobacco like For those little gaps though Secrete Wax Lobes Sake round leaves and though then take that live she of wax out front that up now chew up in the mouth and then they'll Secreta back to make the cells to make the hexagonal south. Roy Sounds Lovely. Doesn't could've should've filmed you. Can you harvest? How does that from? Soon as you're sometimes in the spring we have to take some honey off. If they've made a lot of say like ideo something that would be blocking the frames for them not start bringing other In so whenever there's this up that's one thing we'll take that way and then we'll keep that until the next step is comes along and then we'll extract from the extract. What was the Serb does? That would have been filling a gap if the next hadn't come home and then we just keep doing that. Say that if the next thing that should be accepted doesn't materialize because to WACKO STU Cole Road. Whatever then we'll get it back. What would just took and then so roy wants die behind. Yeah we'll take us behind usually and that would that would carry from spring to what Anna Bogus. Yeah and and you're you're noodles and we just want to talk about what you actually do so you use honeyball immorality. We'll see different sort of hate. It has like honey and wax internally together in the hive we spin it. A centrifuge took the honey out of the wax kind but it was a period. I guess I don't know exactly when it was but in this whole like that's make. I go towards efficient as it can be area. We discovered that you could just mellow and the wax comes to the top and the honey. Thanks to the Bowman and easy. Now you just press the button it so it out and then come back to it and lift the wax off the top and let the hunt out the button but when you heat it you're basically just turning was already an inverted sugar into caramel. It was you know you cook into sugar and make an homogeneous. And what's Nice about honey from different? The what I just discussed with taking steps lead. Is You have different flavors. Throughout the year and they use different. Flavors are down to all sorts of different factors. Ama- compounds and the very nuance view heat. It up who are Texas Catcher Ivan Straight off? You Kill the enzymes. And you'll say will is and this is from this phone in competitions this like dry eve to not have be lax and honey which is great again. See the point in that but they took it to its extreme conclusion and so they've removed everything there's no pollen that Nowak says by and filtering it you making. It rose shiny and like wild. I'm the nectar that truly You take what a goodness and you modernizing so when you take out the industry average between milk that's been pasteurized but that's all it has done to her. Male Pittsburgh margin is buster is Info Ed volume the supermarket pretty much. He's always going to be largely eh heated suit and also be a blend of or different seasons and different parts of the world because they want to be to produce off because they want consistency and osaze plants is say if you're producing the x million jaws. You wanted to smash all day with that. Not Stop you know. Whereas the way we will extract variety in May will record everything and checking the moisture contents and widow covens. And then we'll look at the next power we've got almost separate out. Dif- were different areas in different times. And then would extract that and then we say we'll be easy it'd be just smash on on Capitol Spin Out until one tubs full and May next big tavern and when we finish that job title without low and then stop jarring up the way we we ended up with different flavors and you can tell where it's come from. We know literally which bees have made. That jar of honey. Was everything about women not being able to go hunting. She sees infants under one year as really small chance of obeying botulism. Spool is in honey. Okay Yeah and butchers you can't. You can't get rid of the temperatures that we would around. I'm not even sure we can get attempt. Cheka hits and then a random question was on the phone to a guy works miekel date who would appreciate a guess. What about Hay fever was told to get people? Buy It for that. I mean you know the we. We conduct any claim about it. But the seventy people who swear by I mean I suffer from Hay fever anymore. You see when young and people people could we fell into the Nisha. Doing what we're doing partly for that reason that that I could say exactly by the honey came from people like Oh wow was a crisis in my house beside Madrid. The difficulties is how locally can get it. Yeah I think it's more to do with the season because if you say oh really bad middle of the summer. There's no point in having honey from the spring even if it's from outside your doors are not acceptable. Now you'd imagine they might get a tree pollen I think is the time you're evaluating. It's that was gonNA work. Then you'd want your tree pollen the unidentified -ality of so where do you sell directly over the phone or through food markets and stuff? You don't just do honey. What else does it. You're making from your say the first two years that we kept these really wet years and all we had was spacewalks because mostly he's kind of taking over owed equipment and rebuilding near equipment producing a lot of wax. Say and make mistakes and friend of mine. I do better fretwork as well off season. And guys I what was really into nutrition and so is getting even injuries as a bodybuilding with time and is eaten all these things and they're all like priority and Japan can strange ingredients like David what I try out this. These are many carbs and need this much fat and I need you know this much different things. I'm thinking well I'm grants and wheat and barley and I've got a honey and this protein from the pollen and the wax would make a really good like binding agent because they do other types of wax and cousin a dairy farm so that we can make Iran butter effectively as well as we need more fats so trying to make these sort of bodybuilder energy bar type things but it was just too far because it was just like property decade ahead of any been been interested at all in the providence or the quality of what. They're actually putting an edge muscle fast tags just didn't anyway cleaning the town. Some of it would always cause the big pots they would it would cool foster around the edges in stick to the side of the puzzle is scraped in pots at one day with The plastic spatula thing and and scraping onto my hand and I got like basically like a salve and he said he's like Norwegian fish farmers hand style stuff which is just petroleum jelly basically and that's really similar to that flocked into a pot and beekeeping gloves and I was just using it like Econo- fascinating really stopping sticking together. Anyway then I just took the butter and the ice and the of stuff out and made up a batch of this stuff and I think like gave some away for a Christmas. Everyone's expecting honey. Sorry guys Shylock with no honey how best instead and some people came back with like a positive feedback. Well no she said it was crops and then He. A mother's Day came along some Flippin lavender and S and try that. And all these things and it just snowballed like every house I've done. I've just fallen into accident trying to do one thing and start and everything. Todd ended up where I'm sat grow. So now you've got a range of different products. Said some stuff. That's you know would casual and take an eminent Vince. Covenant based Wax and then we also make south bombs and buddy is just an diesel through We did have a website but mainly we sell that House. I'll like across the UK so you can produce enough. Yep All from your own now from people locally that we know that we trust on stuff with the hives. Okay and is this. Is this the supermarket? So this is multi smaller retailers. We haven't really found that it works out well in supermarkets because it's not that kind of product we we've gone into Vega department stores and stuff but it's we've been happy with sales numbers. They expect stuff to sell free much quicker. Okay we've always been. Wow WE'RE GONNA learn. How are we going to keep up with US guys on that for about eighteen months couple of years or something and then just that I need some money bought. Oh turn around and be like our doesn't compute where we'll stop in sight. That's fine okay. And do you produce yourself? Yes Lab Does not here. It'd be fun for tonight. And that's yeah an independently tested and so yeah. He's a fully at Greenwich Company. And it's always under the same brand. Now he said it's A gun attention. It started Phil. Dose is the cosmetics. Bad side of the Beeswax side and this is the twin mice owed William Today and say we. The honey is sort of from a separate company because the land and limited companies and stuff cited. Just keep things separate And I'm my science Rojas Rojas today period and Roger Side Air and that kind of thing can filbert's mom's name Phyllida she's Phil Phil but hazelnuts. Pointing out of Windy Exist hazo hedge and that's one of the earliest pollens in the And say the B. to a small extent that much because it's actually a wind pollinated plant. But they do say that and so it was filled by having Filbert's originally and then someone else coming home and did not send. We ended up having allergy botchy about the name and they ended up with a prefix and we had a suffix of base and then phospholipid about another five years and blooming birthdays. Let Ranitidine on your to close at Birth B.'s. Buffet base now. We're Dorset Okay Phil. Also any cost tens of thousands of cash. We make complicated ourselves human beings on. Wouldn't you rather be the Melby? I'm very close because I'm conscious of time. You know one of the other things you do. Is You still do? Pollen the assets. The this is the thing where literally you walk up with. Somebody else's farm with a low debates trae let obeys or however many we need either and for your crop and then people they actually pay us for help you because the bees ingratiation star randy helps us toll really but we keep on doing it really. Yeah Yeah I've cut him. Oh I was GONNA say there was a couple of weeks I think was the Guardian about I think it might be new century but it was almond nation and it was like wiping out seventy percent diabetes. Every time they did because they still did it. Because you get paid per call me to be there because they realize the value of that I never even brokers that make money between us. A huge massive blended bees and over here. It's because people realize that needlepoint nation. So you do that. But you know they'll get spray. That got stressed but sometimes I make a decent crop. Abby something different to sell them markets say otherwise would have this. I would be Appalachia tiny. It's nice but it's just one thing. Yeah Okay so you know I find it fascinating that you can that you can go off and do that and you do courses as well so yes more now and that's good because it's a way of giving people a chance to have a look at these in a more what I found. I got really stretched out when I started keeping base because they were not impressed with me being on a course anyway. The woman who's the age said. Oh when I saw beekeeping Just wearing a Gingham Scott and we note much in tight across face to So the bees getting our noses and I am so gonNA better do that no problem. I got so badly done it starts. It's just it's it's a it's an environment where there's less pressure a bravado. To be taking away you know people can come here and they can see on and intelligent enough to think about gauge. How well people again with the situation and gear around then Ravin Bay like the set of scenario you find in a group or a club weather already packing whatever everybody's got their way and that pecking order and and you know you need to anyway and there's that pressure on top of the fact that you've been surrounded by a cloud of bees to sting you will not you just like a nicer environment to. We got a mole mobile health. And did you just add liberty as much as people one? Yeah this way to excite. Yeah Yeah I'm going I'm going to the site for us is is something like two amazed. Common the other one is. I think this was a dose it. Could it will get a definite links and put them on our website so humans of hospitality all too often. I asked at the end where the website is people. Don't know so you've also built your own house which we sat inside. That's been a Labor of love that you've been doing for a while but it's also it's looking pretty close. How long as I mean like help skip and a jump away. No really led a paper and surrounded your and also. I'm very new with all these different things with which is the bid. That's the most rewarding when you get up in the morning and you're kind of excited about that. Is there a particular thing that you do you? Gang cleaners rights for good. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's very novel. I create a batch of queen bees from the bloodlines. That you've chosen. And then you get keeping alive long enough and collect enough drain semen to be able to inseminate them not kill them doing that and then them survive not gain by Bud. I fly and then stop making their own nest colony or someone else buys one a new C. You say how these days now like yeah. They're really nice. That's that's probably the best. That's pretty awesome more by saying when you buy a B you send it in the post up. Bless doc comes in from different places over the past. How how long could it be leaving the post? These as someone lost yet Some in the post on a bank on the Thursday before buying call today might even be one of these scenarios and they had sedate sat for five days in the pace area. We're going to be touched. But they will find just the pacman move queen and Purvey Channel. Sidewalk is a lump of like high. Fructose Forever Governs Candy. And that's incredible in a little plastic cage in plum in emulate with holes punched in it amazing as written on the outside which is failure whiskers the things. I'm grading so with all of that and I thank you for taking the time it's been brilliant and I'm glad I've waited tables. I personally love it. Let's hope there's other humans out there who can listen for this? Well that if you've got here had yeah but it's been spot on a huge amount as I knew I would sort of optimist pessimist perspective with all of that backdrop and the complexities of what's going on. Do you look forward and Kinda go. Okay this is going to get better. This is going to get worse. And who's going to help with this? Farmers government is consumers. What was your general kind of figuring such a pessimist? I've been ruled screwed? That's the just not my stacy. How many conflicting narratives and everybody says problem? Someone that says that there is an an Unedu side just conflicting necessities like I see people put an odor gave enough in time really to what he called. It felt that things were getting worse and better at the same time so I totally agree with that There are definitely people making big strides. But they are the people that I've got a hand. They aren't the people making policies and I speak to get close enough to sell them any political importance. Try TO MATT. They can give them monkeys and even people like those big large festival a Una following the people that run out and I said to me I th this. We've got real potential to show what I've been doing too much. Bigger audience and people will listen to you because they do and I got we got sitting in Matt and go quite follow benefit was great and then the flip and bean counter go and vote and that was it just. That was the end of the scary. Have you spoken to national? Trust for Eddie Perspective on I'd say tried and I've tried the Bumblebee conservation. Trust right. There was some farming Leica. Stewardship of conservation trusts type thing. They may sound bobby interested. But it's just GonNa take some take a big leap of faith and all save for for it to work out a couple of guy. We tried it on a small scale semi just had a freakishly dry and nothing Germany. It and it wasn't the end of it such but it was such a big blow for the person that was involved because you invest a lot of invest a lot in both emotionally and financially in the doing innovate guys realm affairs time does not allow incentive to get drug gangs hidden bunker. Yeah he's as mad as someone from the National. Trust focused but I was trying to someone in separate meeting Mental Selig and I said you guys are such huge Landau. Surely a lot of that land. They they leased to farmers Shaw as the National Trust. You should be in a position to try and influence the sort of things that happen on your land and the soil farming. So it's not just let and to be fair. They said that conversation is happening to have that conversation for sure. I know people that have been involved in applying tendencies and things. But it's just there's just so many factors and it's a drop in the ocean. Yeah Okay thank you. Note the point of this podcast is to is to have these conversations and make people aware I am a deluded optimist whereas you may be a continual pessimists died by by at least having the conversation people have a greater appreciation for this and I'm constantly make the point that you know where and how we spend money in impassable within a living so just choose to spend our money in about y on different things. Maybe you've been yeah. I mean we have people talk about climate change and people say oh now. I should be doing anything. We'll just because it makes stuff nice at like even if it wasn't a big thing and is misguided wouldn't it be better anyway like would that be about thank absolutely. Yeah you're right okay. Good well thank you again mouth very much. Appreciate it and good luck and yeah I'll be back to learn more about these articles. Thank you thank you so much for listening to this week's podcast and remember the on the website humans hospitality co UK. Every week. We put on some show notes and some links through to the various websites or social media the mentioned and we also do a nice little breakdown of that week's conversations into specific topics that you can jump through the podcast and just listen to some of the highlights. You wish if you've not done so ready if you could leave us a review on itunes or one of the other podcast players choice. That would be hugely appreciated. Thank you so much. And we'll be out with another episode next month.

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Blue Ivy Trademark

Best of The Steve Harvey Morning Show

02:20 min | 4 months ago

Blue Ivy Trademark

"Hi Guys. Katie lowes actress, mom and host of the parenting podcast Katie's crib. A show that helps women navigate the colossal changes that come with motherhood. You'll hear from resilient Mama's knowledgeable experts and me asking a whole lot of questions, it's real talk that offers real perspective on what it's really like to be a parent. New episodes published every other Thursday listen to Katie's on iheartradio APP or on Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. All right so beyond say has officially lockdown the trademark to her daughter's name, Blue Ivy Carter there was a dispute over the intellectual property rights tied to the eight year olds name when a Massachusetts wedding planner laid claim to the name, ultimately the trademark trial and appeal board sided with Queen Bee over the relatively unknown proprietor of Blue Ivy events, which was founded before blue. Ivy was even born. The owner's name is Veronica Morales. She was worried about a risk of. Confusion between the two. The board didn't think there was a big risk of folks confusing an event. Planning business with Blue Ivy Carter Fiancee's babies. There, you have it. No mess around. Get your ass out. No! Easy fix, yeah. Right. Gets okay. Yes. down. PISS OFF TO BE. Beaten to last damn? Rocket, upset, you got drama Pie. This is true. This is true. This is a beyond. J. J. C. J. and B.. You think they're gonNA vote for. Go vote phone anybody out of. Time. More of the Steve Harvey Morning Show and some trending news coming up at thirty three minutes after the hour right after this you're listening to. Morning Show.

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Internet Shaming Turns Positive, Good News for Elephants & More! 10 Minutes of Happier News

In Happier News

11:20 min | 1 year ago

Internet Shaming Turns Positive, Good News for Elephants & More! 10 Minutes of Happier News

"Did you know i launched this podcast. Without spending a dime. Using an app called anchor anchor is a one stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast best of all it's one hundred percent free and ridiculously easy to use and now anchor can match you with great sponsors who want to advertise on your podcast that that means you can get paid to podcast right away in fact. That's what i'm doing right now by reading this ad if you've always wanted to start a podcast go to anchor dot f._m. Slash start to learn more. The sky is the limit more positively to come after this quick break welcome to the in happier news podcast. I'm your host dean goodman. I scoured the news each week to bring you the happy inspiring and positive is it story in ten minutes or less. There's plenty of negativity in the media already and i used to be a t._v. News reporter anchor obsessed with chasing those types of stories after a life changing string of events. I vowed to focus on the good instead. These are stories to brighten your day as they say in the news industry. It's all starting putting in three two one. Hi everyone happy fourth of july week happy summer. Are you ready for this week's positive news yep. Okay me too so let's get right into it. Invaded georgia a single dad was unknowingly internet shamed for sleeping in a booth breath at mcdonald's but the photo that was taken of him is actually turning out to be a blessing according to good news network twenty one year old simon child has been homeless us and struggling to support his newborn son. Since the recent death of his mother. A woman photographed him napping in the mcdonald's booth in shunned him. What she didn't i know was that he'd been catching up on sleep in between his shifts at the restaurant. That photo was posted to a private facebook. Group and people soon learned it was more than what meets the eye simon also found out about the post and i he was hurt by he was napping from exhaustion doing what he needed to do to provide provide for this baby. When simon went into work the following day he was shocked to find that dozens of people felt moved to help him. They brought him diapers clothing toiletries and supplies the owners of a community eatery reached out to simon and even lent him a car for job interviews a barber were gave him a free haircut so that he could look nice and sharp for employment opportunities and thanks to that post that mean post people have paid eight for simon and his son disdain a hotel until they find permanent housing making him homeless. No more additionally seven thousand five hundred dollars has has been raised so far for assignment and his son on go fund me simon had the chance to speak to the woman who took his photo and she told him that she never meant to a shame anyone she had just been expressing her frustration with the town and simon said he didn't hold any bad feelings against hertie their first of all. I'm so happy for simon and i'm really proud of him for not holding a grudge against the woman who snapped that photo and ask for the woman who took the photo. I just hope this is a good wakeup. Call for her as well well. It is so easy to get out our phones and take judgmental photos or videos of people. We don't even know and post them but at what cost a photo could tell a story. That's completely different than the reality. It reminds me of that viral photo that went around a few years ago of a mom in an airport in she's looking at her cell phone while her two month old is on the floor on a blanket by her feet. She was mom shamed for caring more about her phone than her baby. He get that wasn't the story at all. The mom of three who was a pediatric nurse was delayed again and again due to a delta computer shut down and it turned into a twenty hour travel day. She had held her baby in her arms at carrier you name it. She was exhausted and she needed a minute to put the baby on the floor floor. Heck the baby needed a minute to be on the floor and stretch out. She was on her phone to communicate with family about the delays. One person walked by sei it made assumptions and posted that photo which then led to people tearing apart this poor mom fortunately the real story did get told as positive these junkies. Let's all make sure that if we see things like this going on in social media that we question the story behind it before jumping the judge just as a journalist if you don't know the full story thing twice before you post something judgmental about someone because you know what you don't know what they're going through. Social media can be the best thing winging it can be the worst thing and at least simon's case it's turning out to be the best thing evert in avon indiana in ex-con and cop who arrested the ex-con have formed an unlikely friendship according to c._b._s. Romeo <unk> timbre robbed a little caesars pizza at gunpoint when he was seventeen nineteen years old. He was sentenced to eleven years in prison. His mother kept in touch with the arresting officer insisting that her son was a good kid. In honor student in fact he was just lost and struggling after the death of his dad romeo got out of prison on good behavior after four years and started working at the goodwill he wanted to make sure he never went back to prison but he didn't exactly know how to stay on the right path. One thing he did know was that he needed did a mentor as fate would have it. The officer who arrested him deputy police chief brian nugent came to the goodwill where he was working to drop off donations and one day he asked him to be mentor. He knew if anyone could help him. Stay out of prison. It would be a cock. Brian said guess they now have a strong friendship and meet monthly over lunch. There conversations have helped reveal gain confidence as a young black man in romeo is working with heating and air and says with brian ernest corner shoutout to this week sponsor kombucha on tap commute on tap delivers kegs of kabukicho in cold brew coffee throughout southern california. We have committed on tap at our house and let me tell you it is life changing. It's naturally bubbly. Low sugar and calorie in contains live probiotics which are really good for your digestion question immune system and overall wellbeing for those who have it at work employers report a boost in company culture and less sick days used. If you're in the san diego area you can stop by kombucha on tap and vista monday through friday to fill up growlers and taste a bunch of different flavors. Kombucha on tap also gives back to the community through its community cares initiative should've find out more at kombucha on tap dot net or by following at commute on tap on instagram or facebook now back to the in happier news podcast in sacramento head shift patrick mulvaney of molina's being restaurant was inspired to take action after anthony bourdain suicide last june and he created did the i got your back movement. According to the sacramento bee newspaper at the beginning of each shift as employees clock in they slip a mood card into a box to indicate the anger happiness stress and sadness right before the rush of service begins. The cards are laid out in the employers can assess the general mood of their peers. One employee is designated as individual to keep a watch fly on others. That employee was a purple appel and will reach out to those who are struggling or be open open a conversation with anyone who needs it in the next two months. I got your back will pilot in twenty two restaurants in sacramento with goals to spread throughout california and eventually commission-wide if successful. I think this is such a great concept in could be applied in all workplaces schools. Even homes have seen videos on facebook where teachers have students and start the day by selecting what mood they're in in that makes others aware bravo to patrick for initiating this movement at his restaurant and helping it spread throughout sacramento good news to report for elephants in one of africa's largest wildlife preserves. The niaz reserve which is actually larger than switzerland and size is in a remote region of northern mozambique. It was once home to twelve thousand elephants but aggressive poaching has dwindled those numbers to fewer than in two thousand elephants. The report that zero poaching have taken place in the past year and the elephant population is now believed leap to have doubled to four thousand elephants in the area. That's a huge achievement. Any skies dot com says the turnaround has been credited to a rapid rapid intervention of police force more assertive patrolling an response by air members of the force are empowered to arrest suspected poachers put together our case within seventy two hours and submit it to the local prosecutor just being caught with a firearm is considered intent to hunt illegally with a maximum simone prison sentence of sixteen years. This makes me so happy. I am such a huge fan developments. My dream vacation is good to a sanctuary actuary or wildlife preserve and bay them hug them or just watch them up close. You've done that first of all lucky you. That's so awesome and second of all send me your suggestions on where to go reach out at in happier news dot com and we can share it on the podcast so others can go there to speaking of things that make us happy. New survey of americans has found that we get more joyful as we age national state of joy surveyed five thousand three hundred sixty people in every every state of the u._s. and here's what they found people with the greatest levels. Ajoy are over sixty. The survey found family is the most important factor when it comes to experiencing joy other factors to elevating joy included need for sunshine listening to music and ranking number one traveling or going on vacation and lastly happier news for fish in ecoconscious golfers. Did you know that there are golf balls that turn into fish food and i just learned about this. These golf balls are perfect for cruise lines resorts and people who live by the water and golf into it. The eko ball is biodegradable and nontoxic according to the makers of it fish can get it the balls fish food court after a day in half in even if no fish swim by the snack the ball will fully dissolved within twenty eight days in all water temperatures at a hundred and sixty two dollars for one hundred golf balls. It's a lot more expensive than practice golf balls or even regular ones but it's the right thing to do. If you are purposely golfing into the ocean or a body of water. That's all the time we we have links to all. These stories are in the show notes and don't forget to put a nice rating in review because that helps others find this podcast. Thank you so much for helping spread positively and you'll get a whole new dose of it next week.

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Madelaine Ostwald with Kirsten Traynor  (S3, E9)

Beekeeping Today Podcast

38:04 min | 4 months ago

Madelaine Ostwald with Kirsten Traynor (S3, E9)

"Welcome to beekeeping today. PODCAST presented by culture beekeeping today. podcast your source for beekeeping. News Information and entertainment. I'm Jeff. I'm Kim. And I'm Kirsten trainer. Today's sponsor is global patties there. A family operated business that manufacturers protein supplement patties for honeybees. It's a good time to think about honeybee nutrition feeding your hives protein supplement patties will ensure that they produce strong and healthy colonies by increasing brood, production and overall honey flow global offers a variety of standard patties as well as custom patties to meet your needs. No matter where you are global is ready to serve you visit them today at www dot. Global PATTIES DOT COM. Hey thanks Sherry. We WanNA. Thank Culture magazine for continuing their presenting sponsorship of this podcast. Culture been the magazine for American beekeeping since eighteen, seventy, three subscribed to be cultured today, and while you're there, check out, be cultures beekeeping your first three years a quarterly magazine for beginning beekeepers. We also WANNA thank two million blossoms sponsored this episode, Two Million Blossoms as a quarterly magazine, dedicated to protecting all pollinator insects both wild managed before they disappeared, learn more from our season, two episode, nine podcast editor and our guest co host today, Kirstin, trainer, and from visiting www dot, two million dot com as with a number two hey! Hey everybody thanks for joining us. We have a great show lined up today with Hairston Kirchen who you talked with today. I had the opportunity to chat with Mattie Oss Bald. The graduate student at Arizona, State University, and she's absolutely fascinating because she did her. Undergrad with Tom sealion cornell than popped across the ocean to do some work in Scotland, and now is in the deserts of Arizona, so she has had lots of experience with different species sounds exciting does wow. Where did you find her own? publicly met her at Arizona. Actually I met her because when I was putting my first issue together. Craig. Child who writes about following bees into the desert. Sites her research. And so I had reached out to Tom See Lien. Michael Smith her two co Authors and they put me in touch with Mattie who I didn't even know, was it Arizona State and she ended up writing a companion piece for my very first issue. small world, isn't it? It is a very small world sometimes. Isn't right around the corner. You're in Berlin. So. How's it going in Berlin? Did you start to research house? COVID has all all going at the Cova numbers. Here are far better than they are anywhere in the united. States so people still wear masks when going into stores and on public transportation, but otherwise it's pretty relaxed. My research has started We ordered some nuke so that we're going to have the bees available and we're having a custom-made observation have built to hold these extra wide frames because we're going to have a robot. Be Dancing in there. And, then it's been a really cool and wet week. It's been in the sixties to seventies with with some rain storms here and there so it's been a lot of fun. You know when you talk about robot. Be Dancing I can think of something from the jetsons or Something very angular arms just herky-jerky around on on the frame so. Well I am sure that it'd be really interesting. Maybe you can share some videos of that at some point and share some of your cool weather. Yeah, the weather's been lovely so all right well before we get going with Pearson's interview with Mattie. Let's next week. We will be talking with USDA's Dr. J. Evans about his upcoming book. Be Optimism and this week. Kim Has a review of his book. Yeah, it's. Encouraged people to get a copy of a great book all right well, let's listen to review now. Thanks, Jeff? The Book Review We're going to do today is be optimism. By J Evans. So you know we're going to be speaking with Jay. And I wanted to get his book. It's IT published by I. B R, a northern be books I I. The IRA is that Group of. In the UK that he's on the board of and of course northern be books, Jeremy Burge, who we talked to a while back, so the title of the book has optimism. Translational research can rescue honeybees and other pollinators too long title, but. Dr J.. Evans as you probably know the research leader of the USDA, Honeybee research lab and built full Maryland, he writes a monthly column for Bee Culture Magazine called found in translation. He started that a few years back when I was editor there and I found his articles interesting easy to read and popular with our readers. So, what he's done is he's taken thirty four of those articles that he's already published in. He's tweet. Them updated some or a lot and gathered them into five chapters with each chapter, containing collection of related articles kind of giving each sort of different focus. The five chapters are challenges and opportunities, sweetness and Light Royal decrees, climate, change and closing. Challenges and opportunities looks at issues surrounding viruses and their mutations talks about Sam Ramsey's work with fat bodies. It looks at stress and how it challenges the Immune System Abe's behavior and short a B.'s life. He follows forager's with RFID tags talks about probiotics and no EMA and pesticides. It covers a lot maybe most of what's troubling. Our bees beekeepers at the moment. The second chapter, sweetness and light. It is about honey mostly about honey. There's some other things in their. Pollen DNA ID for any early, harvested versus late harvested honey. He looks at propolis and the rural plays in the health of a colony and a bit about soybean pollination believe it or not. He went all the way back to work. That I did in Madison forty some years ago. Royal decrees looks at Queen Replacement. The effects of Mites and Queen Development Larva choices by the bees, when replacing a queen and a look at how solitary bees handle all of this, because some of them are a lot different. Some of them are very similar. Climate Change covers a lot of topics. You probably didn't consider very often. He looks at the historical record of weather patterns and compares those to honey production and overwintering success in various parts of the world. He looks at the effects of rain temperature. Could be predictive of losses next spring, and he looks at the Super Organism of a whole hive in response to these events, not just individual honeybees. And any looks at stresses from Habitat Climate and disease stresses combined over long periods of times, and he takes a look at longtime pollen collection diversity, and what can be learned from these studies. He uses a phrase here that I found interesting with all of this. Scientists are looking for signals in the noise. But he's optimistic. It isn't all bad. There's lots of new beekeepers and lots of new researchers new methods treatments diagnostics in the works grant do collections of data available in the cloud from individuals from colony, level, studies, data, collection, organizations, and research all available to decipher some answers in the noise. I was lucky to have J. approach me with his idea for his column and I think it was wise enough to say yes. We are smarter and better because he raised his hand. Welcome to be keeping today a podcast all about bees, I'm guest host Kirsten Trainer Editor of the quarterly magazine, two million blossoms, protecting our pollinators today. I'm chatting with Matty. Oswald a graduate student at Asu Mattie welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's always a blast talking with a be scientists. Can you tell our listeners a bit about yourself? And how you first became interested in bees? Yeah, of course, so like you said I'm I'm currently a Grad student at Asu and so I'm studying animal behavior and working with bees, and so I'm working in the lab of Jennifer fuel, which has a focused on. Studying cooperative behaviors in such insect societies, so like colonies of Bees and ants. And then, of course, my particular interest is in bees. And so I became interested in B.'s way back in high school and I. I got a job teaching. Science programs to kids at a children's museum and so fascinating. Yeah, says it's really great job. I had the pleasure of teaching program on honeybees using Honeybee observation hive so. just spending all this time with time. I just became really obsessed with. Watching these BS. Whatever's at work in trying to sort of understand what they're doing. and and especially the cow, the whole colony was working together so then by the time I started college a couple years later I knew that I really want to study B.'s 'cause. I couldn't stop reading about them all these questions about them. And so you ended up doing your bachelor of science with Tom Celia Cornell. What was it like working in the C. Lab yet, so we're going to see lab was such an awesome experience and really formative experience for me. In my early research career so Tom Of courses, a really outstanding scientist WHO's really inspiring to work with because he's so passionate about bees about studying behavior and he really loves his his study organism in the work that he does but also just because he's. Just a really kind and wonderful person and mentor who somehow manages to make time for all these different responsibilities have been academic, but then still takes time to do things like work alongside young scientists like undergraduates like I was at the time, and so he'll be like out really out in the field during the lab collecting data with them. So that was really kind of that must that must be so nice to have your adviser? Hand on in the field with you pray. One conversation I had with with Tom Seeley many years ago. was that he he emphasized the importance of observation, and how before you set up any experiment and start tinkering you better I just watch and see what they're doing. Yeah, absolutely, and that was really powerful for me to see you know it's one thing to have your adviser. Tell you to do something and another to see them doing that and then, SORTA WANNA like model. Your own work after that so. Yeah. That was really. Really like lovely introduction, not only to the area of research interest in, but also in like you said that sort of. That's spirit of scientific research as being sort of curiosity, driven and collaborative and fun and something that Epping something I'd like to model my own work in career after. Very cool and a big part of colony health comes down to efficient thermal regulation. Beezer of course, really good at regulating temperature especially to survive long harsh winters that you guys have been cornell, you could say that honeybees are masters at keeping the temperature. Just right we all they collect nectar and pollen, but they also spent a good bit of energy collecting water. What can you tell us about those water collectors? Yes so this was kind of my major. Undergraduate project when I was. At Cornell and so this is kind of motivated by the fact that you know. We tend to think about these that are collecting nectar and pollen that those are really the important things that they need to survive, but of course like any animals. They also need water into how they get that. Water has been a bit overlooked in the past. Even though it turns out, it's really important for there to rival. So. Like you mentioned waters really important for regulating the temperature inside the nest, so bs will actually. regurgitate droplets of water and smear them across their combs, and then fan their wings to make the water evaporate, and then the temperature drops due to evaporative cooling, so that's one of the main cooling mechanisms in the nest, and it's totally dependent on how much water the Connie has. So we. Thank, God I was I was GonNA. Say a little bit like the Mr Systems Arizona. In the Hot Sun. Yeah, little, cool exactly like that. Yeah, so. We have the sense that is really important, but. To really test that, we did a series of experiments where we put a colony inside a greenhouse so that we could totally control their access to water. So they couldn't leave the greenhouse and in there we can also heat them up with a heat lamps to make the colony really hot and thirsty. And so then we're able to Take away their only water source and find that the temperature of the rudeness shoots up really high to temperatures that are dangerous for the Brood as they can't survive. But then as soon as we brought back, the colony was able to bring the temperature back down to safe levels so. That gave us the idea that water is really a central to this cooling response. Right and you I believe you also had bees that were acting almost as little storage vessels for this water. Yes, so we find that some of the bees that are doing the water collection. Will like you said be a storing water almost like. Like store living water vessels. We would call them water bottle. And, so they would find at the end of this really hot day that we artificially created. We'd see a line on the edge of the Brood Nest as. Really. engorged bees full of water. Just signed up loaded B.'s sort of hanging out on the edge of the yeah, exactly so just kind of you know waiting to sort of jump into action. If if the colony gets thirsty again so and that way they're kind of the colonies then offered against. A future crisis. Okay, so it's almost like they're keeping in reserve. Just in case things heat up again. Yeah, exactly. Interesting and how how hard is it to remove all water sources from bees? Bees are pretty good at finding what they need. Yeah, exactly, cigarette question so like I, said we. We cut this colony in greenhouse that. They couldn't leave the greenhouse. We thought we had completely. Controlled their environment by removing all water sources and then we do the sort of first trial of the experiment. After removing the water, so we thought We're still seeing lots of dancing on the dance floor observations. And so. They must be getting water from somewhere in. We're kind of scouring the greenhouse to to find. What they found and we find them in the. Like the. Inner ceiling of the greenhouse is like a little row of of Moss, growing into so their own sucking the water out of the Moss that was growing inside the greenhouse in bringing it back the. So they use the natural sponge and they were just. Taking big. Yeah exactly so we had to remove all the Moss and then at one point we found them. They had called inside the Faucet of the sink. We're getting some of the drops that were still inside the Faucet. So. Ingenious. Have to give him credit for exactly. Yeah, it's like it's so funny when you try hard to make this like carefully controlled environment and I think that's actually my start. Fun Parts of working with honeybees. Being constantly impressed by their ingenuity, and sometimes you know being outsmarted by them. Yeah. No I fully concur. They have a way of getting out of crevices and into crevices, and you never quite know what they're gonNA. Do Great so and then after after college I understand. You went to Europe. What were you doing there? Yes so I have some background and some interest in history as well as biology. So after my Undergrad, I spent some time at the University of Edinburgh Scotland getting my masters in an interdisciplinary history program. So my research, there was on the history of entomology which is studied in sex. With a focus on. Contributions from indigenous knowledge so knowledge outside of those you know traditional Western intellectual structures that we we typically associated with knowledge production, and okay I I was analyzing this really interesting sixteenth century, Codex tax that came out of Aztec Mexico. which contains all these really amazing illustrations and information about native plant in animal life? AZTEC MEXICO! And it has a particular emphasis on insects. which were really culturally prominent? They're kind of unlike in Europe at the time where there were mostly sort of like reviled right, so that allowed me to do some comparative research on how different, cultures perceive and interact with insects, and then how that worldview influences the way that they investigate them and understand them from a scientific perspective. And so, what kind of asked Hex are sorry? What kind of insects are featured in this as take manuscript? Yeah, I mean so many and they have you know they all have their own names and their own really unique illustrations associated with them. In I was particularly interested Carson, the bees and so stainless bees early prominent in Mesoamerica. especially at this time, when when honeybees hadn't been introduced there yet, so they're they're instincts. Bees for honey production much in the same way as as Europeans at a time managing. honeybees. So. They had already figured out how to manage them and harvest honey from them, yes. Very much yeah yeah. So, that's fascinating I. Know that stingles be honey is often used for eye ailments and South America. Yeah, yeah, that's another. Really interesting thing. It's like not just the bees, but all these insects tubbies really complex medicinal associations so You know whereas in Europe at the time we only think about honeybees as being sort of the only useful insect. Maybe you know still south, moths and things like that well. LEECHES! They loved their. Yes so. It's kind of this idea that you know the only insect with having a benefits us in some tangible way, whereas in these these other cultures insects are much more closely united to their daily lives than their. In their diet in their mythology in their medicine, I'm and so I think that really. Impacts the where harvesting them for food as well as a protein source. Yeah, yeah, especially. Larvae not not the bees, but about other insects yeah, yeah. How interesting yeah? Better be pleased to present the interviews by Kirstin trainer as a supplier to our nation's beekeepers for over forty years. Better v provides the tools, equipment and information you need succeed through its many beekeeping employees better be served you with solutions to your beekeeping challenges. That's why they can say with confidence that they are your partners in better beekeeping. Thanks to better be for. They're informative catalog website, supportive beekeeper education, and for sponsoring the series featuring Hairston be sure to see the latest debt better. Be Dot, com. And so from from lush and green upstate New York to windswept Scotland and then now in the dry desert of Arizona. What prompted you to move to Arizona State University? Yes so. Like I said I'm here at Asu from a PhD and I was really attracted to this program because. She has a really excellent cluster of labs that are all studying social insects, so there's a lot of research going on here. I was really interested in in served as an added benefit. The desert has really incredible needed. Be Diversity. And it's thought to be one of the most if not the most diverse region in the world. And there are over thousands of native bees here. So that's that's incredible. Yeah, it's it's really unique. Habitat at thrive in so That's really great. Obviously from a research, makes it really cool place to live. So a thousand that's about a quarter of of what we have in North America or overestimated. Tab North American. Yeah, exactly yeah I didn't realize it was quite that diverse yeah I. I understand you've been studying the Zona. Carpenter be many listeners are probably familiar with the big shiny beads that drill into their decks and fence posts back east, but the carpenter bees of Arizona set up home in different materials. Can you tell us more about them? Sure Yeah So. These are really interesting because like you said off. People regard them as actually a pest insect. because. They do often living in structural timber like people's houses or fences. Sitting as really do some damage, but it's usually really minor in especially minor when you take into consideration, the overall value, these visas native pollinators. but when I'm really interested in is, there social behavior which is pretty unique. Guessing probably a lot of listeners don't know that Most species are actually solitary, so they don't live in Big colonies like honeybees do. and you may know that honeybees evolved from solitary anti-us tres so one big question in the field is. How do we get something as complex in impressive as honey bee colony from a solitary an, and why does that happen say? Why did they ever start to cooperate in the first place in what the advantages of doing that? Right and for the solitary ones I mean there. You have to do everything yourself you have to forge. You have to rear your own young. There's no workers to help you out. Jack exactly so so carpenter bees are actually really useful for asking this question, because their social behavior is somewhere in between solitary bees and very social, these like honeybees. Because carpenter bees early certain species can be either solitary or social under different conditions, so my research looks at what some of those conditions might be so wise, it advantage to be advantageous to be alone in one environment and then another you might get a lot of benefits from living with other bees. So does it do they tend to cluster and live together? When conditions get tough, or what are some of the underlying circumstances that get them to move towards a more social existence, great question I think for my research what I think of as being one of the most important drivers of this social behavior is. Limitation on access to nest site so like you mentioned they they live in. People's decks in their fence posts. Anywhere in in would and the species. I work with lives, mainly and set of in people's homes in old logs and stumps. which can actually be pretty at limiting in a desert environment? And so. Two to build a nest in in one of these woods, structures were actually takes a ton of energy, so carpenter bees might prefer to just wait around to inherit in existing nest instead of having to build around when they're in such short supply so. This this desire to avoid this really costly nest building behaviour might be one of the things sets. I'm driving them to live in groups that are all. Instead of making their own nests, they're all fighting over the next set. Already exist. Okay, and so it's, it's sort of the lack of nest building material, and also it's just easier to to improve what's already there and then do these nest change over time? And and how do you even study that? Yes, so that was one thing we're really interested in this is how these nests change over time like you said. These are constantly updating, and and maybe modifying the existing nests instead of building new ones so this is a potential for a lot of change over time. And the way that scientists typically study ness architectures by just breaking up in you know log with a bunch of Senate in and seeing how it looks which can be really informative, but it also has this limitation. Where if you break something apart? You can't come back later and see how it's changed so to avoid that we wanted to kind of. See what was going on inside the log without disturbing it or destroying the homes of these es to able to do that I'm actually using a cat scanner. The same one that you would. Use if you're in the hospital a patient. So our local hospital here allowed US teaser CT scanner. would bring in carpenter be logs, and every two months scanned the same logs. and gets really cool. Yeah, three images of the inside of us. So. Are you sneaking them in on a Gurney? Stealth of the night. Yeah, actually, that's that's not too far from the truth. Yeah so we would go in the middle of the night because that's. When the ran the quiet as You know we would kind of. Like you said to sort of wrap up the log to not alarm anybody by bringing. You know hundred live these into a hospital. That's so fascinating. No, this is this is this is just. This is the name of research. Going by yeah exactly. That's so that's so interesting. Though that hospital was able to coordinate with scientists and used technology, how did that? How did you guys get in touch? Yeah we we just. reached out over email and they were really. Really accommodating and excited about the research in yeah I think of as sort of a lesson to me that it's worth trying to pursue these these interesting channels of communication with. People were somewhat outside of our fuel didn't end the ways that we might sort of. Help each other A. And I'm sure they were pumping you for questions. They must be so fascinating. Yeah, yeah, sometimes there would be like a a small crowd of technicians watching. So and do, the nests, then changed quite a bit between those two months where you haven't looked them. Yeah, they absolutely do so. We would watch are we would scan these logs once every two months for a year and saw the huge changes in in the size in the shape of the nasty, they might expand to be sort of double the size they were initially and that's part of the these renovations I mentioned. Where are repurposing existing nests to suit their needs instead of building new nests. In one of the most important ways that they change is that the nest tend to get? A little bit wider every every year as there used as part of the way that they They construct the the next accommodate their Brood so. Every year they get a little bit. Wider and wider tunnels are then more likely to be abandoned by the bees. They're sort of less desirable than the new narrow tunnels, and so we think that's probably because. Wide Tunnels are really difficult to defend from invaders and carpenter bees constantly under threat from. Invading other carpenter bees so Because there's this really intense competition over access to nests. There's a lot of. One be might usurp the nest from another be, and then she'll move to a different NAST and try to take over there, and so they'll do that by invading each other's Nassan. Kicking out there brewed and starting later on their own eggs, so having a structure that you're able to defend is is really important. Okay and so since they're carpenter bees, they can probably make tunnels bigger, but they have no way of packing the MEC in making them smaller exactly. Yeah, so that's when you would follow. The tunnels are too wide. That's when you might start. On branch off of the old tunnel in just use that, so that's how they get kind of bigger and bigger and more branched over time. K and have you done genetic analysis on them as well? Are they all related yet? That's a great question, so. With bees in a lot of social insects in general, we tend to think of these big colonies as being like really large extended families. But in some systems were starting to find that that might not be the case, they might just be groups of of nonrelatives, and we're starting to think that that might be the case in carpenter. Obvious, there's some events for that in them. In another species of carpenter be and in a species that I work with. Some preliminary data is starting to suggest that. These might be living, not necessarily with their sisters like a Honeybee Connie would but just with whoever might happen to be in the nest at the time. 'cause this constant switching like I mentioned where they're always trying to take over their neighbors nest, so that's kind of waiting on a little bit more analysis when the reopened. Let sort of what we're starting to think now is that they're not actually living in family groups. How fascinating I best of luck with it, I'm sure it will be continued to to reveal all sorts of unknown kids. Many of our listeners love hearing about be science. What do you enjoy most about your research? When I love about my research in particular is getting this opportunity to work outside in nature, and to really interact so closely with the the actual animals that I'm interested in and in in the actual habitats where they live so and I, I kind of imagine is's what draws a lot of people to be keeping as well as cool in kind of unique opportunity to really physically hold in your hands. This animal that you have this intense curiosity about. Which makes you wonder what she's doing and ny? She's doing that and I think we all sort of completely asked these questions we're. We're watching animal I think it's so finance and satisfying to have a job where I can ask those questions and even sometimes get answers questions, so I think bees especially offer this really cool opportunity to see how entire society functions just on the scale of something in your own backyard or something like that so I think not a lot of people. Even other biologists get the chance to see that in their work. Very very very cool and I. fully concur, it's SORTA. This endless curiosity that keeps keeps you going back for more, and even though sometimes there long hours in the hot desert sun right and you're you're you're under layers of protective clothing it? It still makes you WANNA come back. Yeah, so one one final question. If you had to pick a pollinator, Avatar to represent you online, what would you go with? I I would have to say a carpenter. Be Yeah, I could. Never figure anything else. There enough and what's the scientific name of the carpenter study Zeiler Copa Saen arena? Saen arena. That sound that is that force on? Based on the sound. What does the Sun Arena stand for I'm okay. Great Question. It's actually kind of a long story. Where so until? April, it was Zeile Copa Very punk punked. and. You know my whole degree thinking you know calling at that and I have to adjust to this new name, but so there's some new. DNA Bar coding evidence that these two species that we thought were different. Are Actually the same. Be So the Sahn Arenas the name that takes precedence Tucson arena. Was this carpenter be found? We thought just in Hawaii. But the seven is now showing that it originated here and the western US, and made its way over to Hawaii. They're all the same species, and now they're all called on arena. Classes though I yeah I how it got to Hawaii. Yeah, I know, it's probably on some would on a ship or something like that. Yeah, wow, the more the more relearn. Yeah, so well. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you and good luck with the rest of your summer of research I think you so much for having me. Your, welcome. Cures, and that was really fun She sounds like she's got a lot going there. She does she's a lot of. She's always a joy to talk with and I think it's wonderful that they were able to convince the hospital to work with them. That was week. I can't imagine taking a log into a hospital in the middle of the night to have a cat scan. Yes she's actually sent me some fellows. They wrap them up in these big heavy duty, black trash bags. And then one of the the people working it, she she asked him was the strangest thing. You've ever had come into your cat scanner and he responded. This is definitely. Believe it. Gets the running through the e r stat Dr Stead running through with the bells and whistles and Taking a log into cat scanner, that's funny. you know I found it interesting. She's I. We have a bird bath on our back, and I always sit there and watch the bees tank up with water and fly back in a couple of minutes. They're. They're back again. So I found what she was her research about. The water carriers was really interesting, and and how it's such a dedicated role and the importance of those bs in the high. Yeah, I find it fascinating how how easily they can find even when you think you removed at all. Those pretty good moss down in the crack there She had to dig up. The thing and I don't know if this is well known or not. I didn't. I wasn't aware of how they put water on their wings, and then and then you know, vibrate their wings to. Have have the water dissipate in the high of that I've never seen it and I've never heard anybody mentioned it. All right well that about wraps it up for this podcast before we go I want to encourage our listeners to raise five stars on Apple. 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Strong Microbials with Drs. Vera and Slava Strogolova  (S3, E12)

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Strong Microbials with Drs. Vera and Slava Strogolova (S3, E12)

"Welcome to beekeeping today podcast presented by culture beekeeping today, podcast your source for beekeeping news information and entertainment. I'm Jeff and I'm Kim. Hey Jeff in Kim today's sponsor is global patties there are a family operated business that manufactures protein supplement patties for honeybees. It's a good time to think about honeybee nutrition feeding your hives protein supplement Paddy's will ensure that they produce strong and healthy colonies by increasing brood production and overall honey flow. Now is a great time to consider what type of Patty is right for your area and your honeybees. Global offers a variety of standard patties, as well as custom patties to meet your needs. No matter where you are globalist ready to serve you out of their manufacturing plants in Airdrie. Alberta, and in butte Montana or from distribution depots across the continent visit them today at www dot global patties dot com. Hey thanks for that. We also want to thank Bee Culture magazine for continuing their presenting sponsorship of this podcast culture has been the magazine for American beekeeping since eighteen seventy three subscribed to be culture. And while you're there, check out be cultures beekeeping your first three years of quarterly magazine. For beginning beekeepers, we also want to thank two million blossoms is sponsored. This episode two million blossoms is the quarterly magazine dedicated to protecting all pollinator insects learn more on our season two episode, nine podcast with Edgar and our Guest Co host Pearson trainer from www dot two, million blossoms, dot com, and that is with a number two. Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining US Kim. Good to see you. Again, we have a great show lined up with a strong microbials this week. Good one covering Honeybee probiotics. Yeah. You know. This is something I. Don't know anything about really I know it has something to do nutrition and an B.'s eating and being healthy but. I also know there's a lot of commercial beekeepers. Stuff, so we needed to find out about. The only thing I know about probiotics is it's in the my yogurt and seems to do me well so. I did a this will be a good show. It should be hey, speaking about honeybee nutrition and probiotics and everything our show last week with are actually cure interview with Australian beekeepers Simeon Vulcan. Berg. Really have people going bananas for Bees don't they. You know I've heard I've heard over the years people doing that but. To make it. An actual beef. ooh, did this was something else? I. I thought I thought he was pulling the pulling our legs and just being comical and so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You just throw the Bananas Underneath and Put the lid down just like. All right. I wasn't born yesterday, but I'm going to have to try it now. Can you feed BSB bananas. During the honey flow. Could you? Can you market a banana flavored honey? How how quickly would anyways. So on that note so we tracked down the person who started a who who pulled together the the the research paper for. That Simians re referenced. She. Is a beekeeper out of Oregon who did that research as part of the University of Montana's Master Beekeeping Program Dr Jerry Berman Shank Those papers are up on our show notes for last week show a Simeon and we're going to have Kathrina and on our show in in a couple of weeks. So I encouraged listeners to come back and listen to beekeeping today podcast and learn about. The bananas for Bees. For, real okay. It is for real. It's impressive the work she did. I believe it. Hey Kim you got. A book review for us. Yeah you know I just got a hold of a of a copy and Reading the book that an Harmon and Andrew Gibbs dude just before and it was published just after an passed and it's It's a book aimed at people taking the masters. The Masters Program in the UK, which is way different than any masters program we have here. So Yeah. Let me dig into it a little bit. Okay. All right. Let's listen to. This is this is a unique book. And it was just released. It was released the week an harmon pass and she's one of the authors. Andrew. Gabe is a master beekeeper in the UK and he's the author they worked on this together and they've got another one coming out shortly that we'll talk about it at a later time but. I it's about basically jeff do know how the master beekeeper program in the UK works. It's significantly different than any masters program in the US, they have what they call modules. There are eight of them and they cover the basics of honeybee management, honeybee products, honeybee forage, honey, biology, and behavior breeding a history. There's an individual exam for each of these and only a select few or giving each year. So you don't walk and take it and walk out master beekeeper. It takes while the programs run by the British Beekeepers Association in for the exams require hands on be management and examiner believe it or not Jefferson Examiner will come to your home and you can manipulate your own bees Each exam has a study book, so you can prepare for the exam. After passing modules one, two, three and one other from five, six, seven, you were awarded intermediate theory certificate. And after passing all modules, you are worthy advanced theory certificate. The last exam you take is on the history of beekeeping which the book that we're talking about here covers particularly covers much more detail than the existing study guide they had. They essentially updated improved it offered a lot more information. The book provides a fascinating insight into how beehives beekeeping equipment and beekeeping methods of developed over the centuries. lengthly lengthly observation enabled the discovery of the importance of be safe be space by Reverend L. L. and stuff, and after this discovery, the ingenuity of many beekeepers solved numerous problems associated with colony management. Space to beehive is the first of two books describing the backgrounds you like I just mentioned. the background to beekeeping. As it is today, it covers the evolution of beehives, the introduction of various types of beekeeping equipment over the years and the development of a whole slew of beekeeping methods and practices. These include the contributions of Francis Huber William Car Julius Hoffman Robert Mainly the Porter's Colin Butler Charles Miller Gillette doolittle Gilbert doolittle pageants Swarm Control Snow Govan Tarnoff and a whole lot more this publication in its companion behind to beekeeper. That's the second one that's coming out. which is going to be released in September. Twenty twenty are going to be invaluable to students of modulate of the British Beekeepers Association examination and I'm GonNa think any beekeeper who wants to know a lot more about the history of beekeeping. Great. All right. Thanks a lot Kim. That was really good. So let's get right into our interview with the folks from strong microbials. I WANNA. Welcome. Slava, and Vera to the beekeeping today podcast. Welcome. This is going to be interesting an interesting program because I don't know. What these people do we have vera and Slava struggle over I'm close but I'm probably there but that's we're in Slava. Okay. They are with a company called strong corby bills and they deal with probiotics, animals, and our experience of courses with them is just with bees but they've got a lot more experience with this science than than I realized a lot more than bees. So Vera Slava I, want you to tell us how you got your start and then the some of the animals you've worked with in projects you've been involved in up to be. Well. Scientists were both biologists my focus was more immunology and molecular biology and various was more on genetics microbiology yet and I think it was when we were just got our degrees were working in animal nutrition and in looking and developing different probiotics, synthetic different probiotics for animals in animal printout. Big Animal Production Operations. So it's livestock like cattle and dairy cows and poultry swine. As, well as environmental questions such as water oxygen associated with animal ration-, and we were involved in several, very interesting that we're helping to. Improve the health and profitability health of animals can profitability of the farming operation using micro soothing probiotics on help animal's digestive better. Help them have a healthier more resilient UNICEF on. One project that I was working on was with BIG CAPS. That for just calf and were put on milk replacement men at that time. Many animals are stressed and they have diarrhea. And so we were testing bacillus. probiotics which help them recover from the diarrhea have fewer episodes and have few less treatment costs that was very interesting and that's just one example on. As being exposed to probiotic in getting started with formulating testing different probiotics for animals. That was a pretty big field than we decided to just guess you decided to own intelligent become independent and I was we're strong microbials gained from the exactly yes. Our first exposure to. Agricultural micro boxes through area industry, as well as poultry industry yet you know what? Silage and silence you not phones are silent juice we made. Originally at some. Natural Microbial Product to preserve silence such as. Or alfalfa or or silage for yes. All animals to eat. Windsurfers yes. All debts is cold by an acronym for Mutation and adding the Mike folks to the fees at ending the microbes to Animal Diet helps David dairy cows, and other animals been more resilient, more healthy have better. What is it? The neutron conversion here's You're a lot more energy from. Food. So we have found with that stuff. You can help. On the way we veterans of evening is we were approached by Yes. Master beepers. To develop. A product for honeybees. Different again, you can. You can wave daily colony to figure out how much smoke produces are like how to do it with a be. How long ago was that? That was in twenty and with all the started work on this and. Ended twelve. Thirteen we've developed the product close to the end of twenty fourteen so Lucas. Sometimes. Then why five years now that we actually can't use and it's Not that we won't be working with, but it's on. Yet quite quite a difference ago from working with cows suddenly be working with bees. So you are beekeepers? Yes we are. Absolutely we are urban where urban beekeepers we have these on the roof of our production facility. Yeah we're in Hawaii end you can have to to to. Being lucky but we actually ask for research Permission. House, like we can have like two thousand or more via we've fluctuated between. Fifteen and thirty bending non or. Experimental SOPs. Very cool. Once you got introduced to bees and beekeeping and then co.. I'm guessing Carol was talking to you about Caroline Earle, we're talking to you about doing what you were doing with chickens and all these other animals for bees how how did you start figuring out what bees need? There was actually a lot of. Research and lot of published literature too about bees and be microbes. Dr. Martha Gilliam for example was citing microbiology. Honey got and honey bee hive environment in the seventies and eighties and a lot of that work kind of set around for some time until it was visited again with the. Around, the time the economy collapsed his sword there other problems surfaced right? So there wasn't as much talk about the microbes. The bees. Until early two thousands, and then I think that we we're looking at different microbial speeches that were already studied known to be safe for the peace and also in a environmentalist safe present hive environment and had some benefits son-in-law one of those studies and I think that that was a pretty good mention of it in the be culture magazine, ride the history of probiotics and everything like that. I think that was who issue. But basically I think that Dr for museum was the one who A lot of different studies of Victoria probiotics again in two thousand four, he looked at feeding different material to east looking at their immune responses. So bees have actually these produce for different appetites, antimicrobial peptides, which helped them find different. Touches, if he? And I think that the study looked at lactobacillus as off listen blunt material bishop them those are all different just. Very, wide. Range widely used lexa Castle Victoria, and he found that they feeding bacteria. Stimulated immune unity and the immune response to production of this antimicrobial peptide in Honeybees, and then there were other studies many of them looked at feeding. The Sylla's to use and finding benefits for honeybees. So we just kind of rambled and found lots of different literature relative and figuring out which probably stand on the shoulders of others to use something that we knew were safe. There was a lot of a lot other literature about other bacteria and microbes for the bees, but not all of them had really great. Benefits and safety record. So before we go much further can you give just a little bit of background what what are the the microbials are what what are the probiotics I mean? Is this the same stuff? I'm eating eating to my act of Yogurt. And is it I mean? Can you talk a little bit about what that is so that we know exactly. I tried like like. Yogurt it's very similar to the over. Of Bacteria. Yours typically how you know just a few species and lower concentration. Than what's really requires free got through properly. And fighting over to the concentration stability a probiotic is very important. So sometimes you can take a yogurt and other times that there are those capsules the dried. Fish died Victoria they usually have more concentration and they are more stable so they will survive for longer shale stable and so using the phased concentrated. Victoria is a hallmark of England probably attic and then Yelich said look using selecting a lot of different strains selecting the strain actually clinical work shield benefits. That's basically. So the idea said. I like analogies guess trouble sometimes, but it's kind of like a cover crop. If you think about an homework almond orchards writing, you can have it baron where you can have a cover crop. It's the same idea for the probiotics you're kind of covering the gut and the. Organisms with different material which benefit on the attic, which will help to improve nutrition and. Other benefits. Yes no you had said quite wally keeps the gut environment with proper peach properly acidic. We. Chose the microbes that were specifically specifically for the guts lactic acid bacteria are anaerobic. We won the ones that would naturally survive. Of the Honeybee or the host and thrive there. Yes that's on other similar to the ones in two. Yes. Yes. They are on what I see you. Flex bacteria that is conserved throw. It's all species liberalness plants. And really ranges from vertebrates, invertebrates, species Yeah. Lots of those Victoria are found in the silent in the grasses in the neck through their arbitary in the next on the poll that actually. Help, today justice, but also helped to attract honeybees, make it more. What's the ended on your volatility gases saying more flavorful yet aided it change the acidity of the flower nectar and attracts certain ulcer. Turns. I think there was recently as that in Barcelona. The USTA fumigated elderberry trian. Flowers produced much less. On. One. Last basic question because. Is. When when they determine what kind of pro the microbes are in the stomach and crops in and the system of a honeybee. Did they. How did they do that? They pull out the the stomach and then put it on a petri dish to see what developers at just. So A different ways to look at what is inside of A. Bag of. got. You know you. You can kind of. Like the seats you get sort of seeded on a patrician, you can see what grows and that's the culture methods. Right. You can see what viable in cultural hall trouble bacteria sometimes not all of the materia microbes in a got our country. Right now what? The molecular approach is much more popular says the sequencing where. Researchers take the. Material, and extract the DNA from the bacteria and from the gut contents basically taking that he extracting all of the you know how they talk about how he like extracted all of the DNA there's a lot of cereal. the. Sequence and identify which arterial Danny in them mixture and figure out. Fingerprint understand which species are present there, and that's all they know decided to real species in the honeybee cut. Okay good. Yeah, thanks that's the extent of my high school biology too. So I won't ask more questions. Off Right, it changes a lot every year. There's a lot of really exciting progress in college and that's So Bs picking up these these microorganisms in the environment forager's or finding them in the bringing an ingesting them, and then they more or less colonize, the in the forgers gut and then, and then I I'm looking at a larva here who doesn't forage how does that Larva get that food get that those microbe because they have to digest food too. That's BS. For example when? When mothers are mothers give birth, we are asked on the beneficial microbiome from our mothers on the inside the. Whenever we as the egg gets right much sterile along the nurse bees they have to feed. The Larva Be Brand or will jelly all of those on all those will have microbes as. Well what happens in when the larva when the when the when the larva PUPA. Because everything goes. Absolutely right. So during that time of minimum offices, the guideline and gets shed. So whenever the adult becomes, it's it's gut is relatively sterile relatively hunger sound or other relativists everybody very quickly repopulates. It's Natural Relative microbiome by contraction with material is the first job of east up the next round. So yes, I think that's the that's the part that's interesting because it's not just got off the money beat that is Housing so many different microbes ended. The coal yes the. Environment. Of Anti Microbial but pretty much everything else has a lot of. has its own micro by on. We'll as well as direction with with other bees, lots of different glasses, lots of ways to pass on the beneficial microbes, for example, flexes or one of the worst ones I think is the most important one is that fecal relaxes us do help each other has a social insect and since. Based on their extensive research. We see that some majority of the official microbes are presence in the hind guts that the equal lexuses. Made Way to inoculate the with. Vissel. I, it sounds. It always comes down to poop. Doesn't it? has its own microbiome essel neither. Bacteria on guides just that are brought in and you know you you start the fermentation i. mean there's so many different products that are used in both US and. Visas well. I mean my favorite one is chocolate and. A to US Open a cutlets. All right. So you've got a beat it's got healthy bio and things are going fine and then suddenly they're not going fine what sort of either environmental or or. What causes. Why. Do I have to feed yourself to my bees because they don't have enough of what they need what what happens that makes that happen Question. I mean these naturally get. Microbes from environmental when they go foraging that's the main place. They will bring back nectar pollen water propolis. All of those things will contain beneficial micro soldier actually for bacteria's well. Why why do they run out while modern agricultural practices? That used. In urban lawns or suburban lawns. Y- they. Just having the normal by versus year right now I think it's has decide and. Antibiotics and microbial substances kind of everywhere starting problem, the antibiotics, which the beekeepers us and all the way to pesticides in punk decides which are spraying herbicides soon. Though initial Environment Rondo for broad spectrum of other. Yes. So That's that's just a chemical inputs right that can kill the bacteria may things more sterile nature doesn't like sterile so just like his seat in the soil if you have. Unhealthy or unbalanced of soil microbiome you can have more pathogens like E. Coli ride that than contaminate salad and other stuff does just the chemical inputs and then they're also inputs off the Diet feeding while in. For example doesn't really help to bring to have any good microbes to the Diet of hiding. They'd data. Lotta. Stuff just like sugar syrup to doesn't necessarily. By definition doesn't believe. At any microbes to the Diet. So nutrition can really be thought of you know I level is not as good food. Waste I just degenerate energy. Yeah and these feeling it Paul and we all know that we try to make sure that these yet. Adequate. For Genetic Poll and influence. But even that poem review on top of that you know breaking down and digesting all is something that microbes help with. So even when they have adequate resources, these still need the microbes to. Generate energy enemy Amin. Energy is a budget cracks or anything knowing you all of our metabolic processes L.. Reduction work. disassociation all of those are energy demanding processes and we use energies budgets, and where to generate energy we get them through foo. Food. It's not just. Eating a delicious meal is is a Justin. Are That Work Mike Dowse, I'm. Very, thrilled that you know the idea of they just use a microbes. Developing more more. Works is that whenever you know the whole seats food, the microbes digest the food into what's all the short chain, fatty acids or organic acids. And thus the fuel that's the energy currency that is being used to. Run the whole of these other metabolic. long and very recently. Just a few months ago was everybody Winston Brazilan that showed. Her Anderson Kennison Yeah. Showing that you know. There's a huge benefit of fun my. Actually using microbes to. Generate more organic assets and the guts for proper metabolic processes of went far away from your question is. That's But yelich you're you're you're basically right asking the question of why do we need the microbes in the first place? They should be there except when they're not. Yes I mean monoculture crops are beans rate with. Them. The compound soon, mixture that the crop itself, it's use most yield. But I mean, you take from one of shortening Yeller so Okay two things. One is the first one is. If my bees are living in a place where they aren't challenged by these chemicals that you mentioned and by some of the stresses that bees run into. From what you're telling me, my assumption is that they should probably be healthy all of the time, but I know that they're not what's going on. That does that that's the first part of the question. The second part of the question is if I know my bees are living in a challenged environment, I'm a commercial pollinator and I'm exposed to chemicals and I'm exposed to everything bad that can happen to a be monocrop all of the things that you mentioned. Then It sounds like I should be routinely helping my bs with a product like this. So in the first case on challenged bees, do I need it second-place? Absolutely I do And if that's the case. All the time some of the time. Do I. Have it every morning for breakfast away once a month how does that work? Yeah that's that's the question we're trying to. We're trying to and Smith by rates so. In the first place if you are unchallenged than you are in pristine place and the are great there should no chemicals no antibiotics antimicrobial said unbalanced. microbiome. What about a Paul I'm going to interrupt you here for a second no chemicals but what about a pollen and or a nectar dearth? If suddenly I don't have these things coming into the colony. I've got old B.'s they've got it and they're feeding the but I'm running out of all BS. What happens then? Well during the next two, there is a that is a stressful time on during the Times what we've notice through literature review and through. Experiences that we see a reduction of flack of open official microbes and the guts on. Just happen stool beaches start to get stressed So yes, they will be. To. Supplement initial microbes in the guts to keep the gun properly populated with beneficial microbes. There still some benefits to to place where you wearing a really pristine clean environment in you're not. You don't have chemical stresses. There are still other stresses in another one is heat stress and you might be exposed to pathogens. So that stressful times like draw in. Unfortunately. There could be other other stressors to announce the existing for. But on the need is much greater for robotic products in. The chemicals, pollination contracts and crowning. You just proud out in holden yards, the the the agent yards or. Evening whenever or the place to unleashing converts having some Places. Will definitely creates. Potentially because there's a lot of attraction is a lot of overlap. And some beekeepers are very responsible even they're healthy and they're calling healthy. was most a very responsible. I have a seat at three. Well, but sometimes, some six happened sometimes neglect may happen you Detroit handles, for example. Right, and you were asking kind of Is it something that you take every morning like your vitamin and with we without a lot of experience we've got a lot of experience now after several years understanding what the? Benefits of taking it. Is For the commercial beekeeper Senate like that's a regular thing of Brits Regular Cadence will what we see is us on. Its best. Every cycle has an adequate those initial ocean. On Goddess dynamic everything everything are hiring the dynamic is nothing these static or standing still always On whenever you know honeybees eat food. Travel downstream. Or. Those. Are. The Mukul sexually gets loft off and downstream with the food and gets cleansing lights. So some of the microbes will get used open. Channel through essentially. but every boom cycle every every these essentially, that's really the best way unless the Isar clustered. These clusters, the winter there were wondering even loan is on. Jolly. Eating. So really we started solid will trying to given one shot. And quickly found out that that wouldn't work everything. Let's let's Lalla. Single saying everything is dynamic. And You know just once doesn't cut it. This situation if the summer lives. On average forty, four days. Once years. But. Cycle an occupation. Remains properly inaugurated within official microbes. I can I. Can I give them too much. Now we have not found that's giving them much show will lead to any negative consequences. You won't cost a that's negative. Ticket like A. couple. Cups of I mean the. The goal was to. Go overboard on. It. So we didn't we didn't really feel confident adding any kind of less research bacteria which will ensure about the safety. So we can give cops apples off on this bacteria to be and. There is no negative benefits they might not. They. Don't get ten times stronger something and also you mentioned fallen darts and nectar. DARTH. doesn't substitute nutrition. You still have to have on nutrition for the long term. but it is helpful to have the microbes to make most resilient. These. What about during a honey flow? This is going to get in my honey. We haven't noticed that it's getting honey flow we touched tested. It doesn't affect honey in. there. It's. All right. So what I think I think I got this. I'm looking at the stresses might be going through over the course of the season and I'm running into a dearth or I'm moving bees for pollination or run into a pesticide problem. My Bees are being stressed I. I can I can tell by looking at them by listening to them. There's their stress. So, I'm going to put I'm GonNa, add some of your product to maybes. maybe two or three times a year maybe only once a year but but at appropriate times, not just prophylactically once every other month but I'm kind of measuring the stress may be going through. How does how do I do that? It doesn't get honey you're telling me I can do it anytime I want and. You add this product to a hive. Well. First of all. Our product comes as a dry powder and we ask you to please drive outer on me. Reason for his because our microbes are off allies there freeze drive. On the main reason for ants is because they're the anaerobic and urban bacteria do not like oxygen. So when you when a state when they're metabolising slowly essentially sleeping. On the activated with moisture. So when you see when you feed the product try The moisture that is used to me or wake mom is moisture in the guts moisture of the Mukul son. So inefficient microbes exact wake up exactly where they should the. Environment, Earth for their. Yes. So you basically you boundless full. The. Material. You can put it right on top of the. Top bars you're on. Route Chamber and get where the nurse eastern eat. Easily quickly. How long does it take for the microbes to wake up in the gut? I, maintain. The moment moisture that. It's definitely quite get sits minutes. Our. Okay. So there's this stuff. Does your product. I. Don't mean to call it. This stuff does does your product have? Effects on any. I don't know what's the word I want. Does it does it help control or it prevent the growth of. Things. other things that bees run into in their world diseases, pests, whatever. There's a suggest like that. The article and be Cultura. Saying there's a lot of research that is being gone right now and still needs to be done in the near future. We've been running a lot of different field trials and collaborating with others to try to understand which pathogens are. As, we are improving that abuse health in. Some in one of the study was is still running is insubstantial with no seema and there's another one that's running sound to with the. Smaller field trials. So we can. We can say that there's a lot of academic publications that looked at cage these studies you know in the lab the Petri dish. On do makeup very do have very promising results with in humiliating those evil or helping honeybees to survive fare banner in their than those. But also, now that packages Rhodes. American follower than European falsehood. Again in different betrayed their studies and lab studies on the species of material that we selected or the probiotic. Are. Promising candidates that inhibit those pathogens and we think that that will translate and we see in different ways, shield studies that it does help to all to recover or to prevent AMMO. Belts actions. That would be pretty wild if that was A. Proven out. Even, even mitigate some of those those infections or the problems that. We're hearing a lot and. There's a lot of different factions and. I asked the past like the role might is still the biggest problem. So not every week concerned with chalk road all the time, but it does I mean. Does. Help with. It does help to overcome some challenges and having a list something that's natural and safe. Is Hopefully it's something that we can achieve it. S. Most beekeepers, commercial beekeepers the big guys their biggest cost is labor. So. If I'M GONNA go to of I'm going to go to send twenty people out to fifty yards today. Can I do something for af be no Zima and and microbials all at the same time? You should not use our products together with antibiotics because antibiotics are anti life in robot sir. Lives. Antibiotic Surges big nuclear bombs. They will destroy them microbes. If you are using by. We can follow up with our botox a few weeks later later just to make sure the antibiotic is properly anomaly tablist. What an antibiotic does it will cleanse the gut. And then come in and receipted. Microbes I'm with we also noticed that are microbes can work UM HAS A. As Motive competitive exclusion can help. Muscle all pathogens are creative Miriam favorable environment for them saw downstairs inside the gut or in the hive So what we What we came up with in animal industry is. The use of probiotics for animals all chicken. Allowed producers to to not give the antibiotics to as many animals and that allowed, increasing organic and antibiotic free production and our hope and practice right now is that. Are My. My hope is that there is maybe less and less need and reliance on using antibiotics and You know controlling some of these diseases just for the probiotics. And do we actually have any promising kind of round to save that some some commercial beekeepers and something? We do have a promise in trans once again I wanNA making drug claims by yes. We do see on the that have used our products continuously On Ev- not seen. In Their calling in the not used Hopefully doesn't allow them to save on Labor by not using antibiotics. That's. Saves also. And Your Clean And another thing that we're trying to think to help save on Labor is not opening the hype human. To to give them the spoonful of provide. Yeah, if. If if you're in the field and you need to inspect the high and. For example, you can't just. Do a visual inspection from the outside on have. A delivery mechanism Oldham it's I. It's a very fancy names on micro cloud where creating a cloud of microbes. Essentially, IT'S A. It's a mechanism that uses compressed air to deliver beneficial microbes through the front entrance eventually you blow around. Trying to trying to not have to attack so much time and still delivered spoonful of. And two of Romantics to is however the bird does need to open the high of to inspect the high of to feed or whatever your the treatments and they should use. You know they can use the product right on top of the brute. Chamber where very compatible with essentially everything unmarked except buttocks on even on the roads are fine. A the Varroa treatments to are. Okay. Road treatment on. Zelic Four Mick at the same time waiting. Together, but you can put them at the same time into. Okay. Well, that makes that makes my labor problem much better because I've got somebody may not making four trips to a B. Yard only one. Gets. Okay. Good. All right. So so We know what it is and what it does about how often you're going to need it and when you're gonNA, need it and and what am I missing here? I I'm going to go out and buy a bag tomorrow. But what else am I missing? I want to make sure that you either fed. That they have food does I mean microbes there? They just evade. Yes. They are used as food they are was essentially microbial meets the was a bull location. Two years ago. Stephens that show that omnivores microbe. Yes I think that that's that's important here in a few years vs and I think that it using even any kind of pro teams clemente pollen substitute. Is Good because. You just need to be able to digest those proteins right and having the microbes zoom bear will help to deliver to get the most out of that nutrition whenever nutrition they're getting. And I think one thing that's missing is. This for me because I'm just thinking trying to understand how it can help with s decides, and as I, think that that's another problem that Hopefully, we can a soul because in. A natural environment s designs are being degraded by microbes in the environment. there is a very interesting article that talks about help pesticides how lactic acid bacteria on different kinds, different species of lactic acid bacteria I can also help to neutralize or. Degrade the pesticides. Nearly. Extend others and that would be really great to. To continue more of that research and there's a lot of there. There are several groups that are interested in this right now, and I think that that's That could be an answer to a lot of problems absolutely yet. MAZING. I wanted to take a lot of asides are designed and fantasize one of their motive actions to turn off the. System, the host, and they're trying to target them. Either insects as well. So they have the same system so. What's missing embassy might like to do more research understanding. How exactly are microbes are keeping the simple for fifty? M. Did explanation of athlete. How how accepted is the probiotic? Absolutely. Right. We use sugar. Sugar. Is A carrier make it palatable and? They're. Very attractive eligible tastes and smells for them. Yeah I'm I'm really impatient. I. Want everybody to kind of try and sand essence. Many kind of opinion send a video as possible in been. Getting a lot of male like that I think that it really helps to kind of. On game seekonk replace accepted. I can send you to. Do is is GonNa ask you do you have an instagram account? So people can post the instagram or we can go out to the instagram to see the video. And give it to us now in and I'll make sure it's in the show notes. Yes from microbials. Yes. Jeff, but that brings up another quick question. DFM. Stand for can I ask. For. My homies. Sound microbes that are being fed to the animals. Well. Not Having a lot of background I. Wasn't sure. So I thought I'd clear that up and I'm GonNa Guess that people listening are GonNa go? Okay knowing. So thank you, Jeff have used any of these no I haven't yet. I plan to sounds really interesting it does. And I have talked to a number a good number of commercial beekeepers who are using this product I've never heard anything bad. It seems to be seems to be doing what it's supposed to do so. That's why I wanted to talk to these people today to find out why it's doing what it's supposed to do and how I do it well. We'll continue. Trying to get four answers because I think that that's a big event. Big Adventure. US. At me, I think it makes kind of a sense and it goes back to. We had Jonathan Lundgren on for season talking about the soil health and how the soil has and you touched on it. I think there before and the soil is is been basically bleached of all the healthy In, the soil and have led to all the problems and I think that's kid be extrapolated as you to to the bees and even ourselves and I think. The proper -biotics makes sense to me in terms of restoring to a natural balance. That's what keeps me. I think most of any natural system including all of its components and we're trying to take one component isolation. It doesn't work like that and soil is. Just, such a great example for you know it's not just one thing right? It's not sterile and you can't really have slow without. Microbes no no. No, and that's the same thing with all of our gut and B's Guts. COW's guts. Chicken's guts. Honestly. We are really hoping to. Crumbs into the soil to and trying to. Do as much swell as well. would be good. Yeah. We aren't working with different soil fungi different and the my career as A. Defense. Next year just really understand how soils immunity we start as. I understanding from? What has happened solid. Serving don't yeah and then like putting back Haifa, gems extensive teammate into the soil is something that is similar to the probiotic concept than something that I think will help many farmers get more out of their systems with less chemicals, fertilizers, and other stuff that is just kind of beg to begin with doesn't stay. One last question is is. How do you? Where do you get this I? Mean how he'd do grow it do you do mind it do you? Grow, we grow a lot of microbes and I never. In my wildest dreams twenty years ago. Lake. I'm GONNA grow microbes. It's fun. It's fan of like a bruin process. You brewer prevent something you get a lot of microbes out of it, and that's that's what we're doing. We're kind of expanding to grow more and more different materials breath and basically onto. Brewing tanks new bruins along the. Same thing as Rory's making beer same. Big steelers. Nature. We. Microbes girl. So fire far, Farm Bureau and the end product is the estimate. East new microbes and alive. And that way. We extracted in royal material. The freeze are McIntyre and what I wanted to say that we actually need. Once and We did. Yes tons and tons of answered. For many years and were on up just last off we had one thousand batches of Victoria M, each batch is inslee. Palm. Victoria. Him. Just dumped on. It's it's the process it's not complicated. It's time consuming. Really. How long does it take to grow to maturity? And each tank you're actually grow really quickly. So I think the smaller the livestock is the faster girls you know and Derek can double like every twenty to thirty minutes sunken to blurry five. So it depends on species. Yes. So I mean it's usually takes like. Twenty, four to forty, eight hours ending the siege. Fast Turnover. while. It takes US longer to. Harvest in processors suggested that takes about a week. Any, and each one has its own tank and they they are all separate. Okay. Before growing matches. I got a lot out of this today Jeff Yeah been good at hiding them and like I said I'm going to go out and get some of this stuff tomorrow is there is there any last question anything we did wanted to tell us that we haven't asked you? To share the information on our website and also on a blog that I will also like to share with you guys new Science News Dot Com. We will get that on the in the show notes as well. BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT Chance and. Throw different challenges are way to. Very. It's important over the remember the and the biggest silver bullet does the UBER. For themselves we're we are just a little worried. We can help them certain aspects. You're not the solution for. Yeah. It's a it's a mixed to work with even Allen was offers well, it's really been a joy having you on the show today. Out. This. Is An interesting because it's it's ironic. That's on. Sailing. Or as the highest embarrassed silence, you have to add war. So I. I. Well, thank you. Thank you both for being here today. It's been fun. It's been educational and. I looked to get you back in a while to see how you have added fixed made better. Thank you. Thank you, and if you're ever in. Milwaukee these facilities. Give give us work. I've got family in Milwaukee and I'm from Wisconsin so. I'll. Be there someday. If I can never get out of if I ever get out of town. Okay. All right. Thanks again. You'll take care bye-bye. probiotics. A little bit more now. I do and you know it's amazing. The things that they mentioned monoculture crops holding yards for pollination nectar and pollen tres herbicides pesticides drought. Pathogen. Those things. Can Be helped or remedied by using this product. I'm major impressed he yeah. For me it opens up my eyes to is so singularly focused on the honeybee and and what it's doing for us the or the Varroa Mite or. But we realized it's a each individual be in colony is a as as a super organism as as Dr Sally would say. Have a lot of stressors have a lot of things impacting them on a regular basis and that even just the something as simple. Or maybe not simple. But something is a probiotic and helping them with a nutritionally makes a big difference in neural overall life. Well, I think you kind of summed it up good analogies. The yogurt that you eat which basically does the same thing keeps things. Balanced in near the that we need to be able to digest. Food. Yeah. I mean that's it's that simple. So yeah, this was good. I enjoyed it I. Think. I'm going to give that a try this fall not a paid endorsement just saying. All, right. Well, that about wraps it up for this podcast before we go I want to encourage our listeners to rate is five stars and Apple podcasts wherever you download and stream the show your vote helps other beekeepers, find us quicker even better review and let us know what you like as always. We think be culture the magazine for American. Beekeeping for. The continued sponsorship of beekeeping today's podcast. We also want to thank our regular episodes sponsored global patties check them out at www dot global patties, dot com, and finally we WANNA. Thank you the beekeeping today podcast listener for joining us on the show. Feel free to send US questions and comments questions beekeeping today PODCAST, Dot Com. Love to hear from me anything else. LOVES IT UP FOR TODAY JEFF thanks I'm going to go out and check see what kind of bananas are left at the Grocery store and. Feed my this weekend. Okay. Take care.

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Episode 63 Mark Rogers  Twinways Orchard and Bees

Humans of Hospitality

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Episode 63 Mark Rogers Twinways Orchard and Bees

"Welcome to the PODCAST. Where together every Monday? We explore hospitality in. It's very broad sense from culture and cooking cocktails coffee. Nutrition and following politics on Animal Welfare organic and Sustainability Family of business entrepreneurship. Much much more common with me. Mark Crib about where our food and our drink comes from and the businesses and more importantly the human beings thrive on where we decide to spend our time and money sign up to a weekly newsletter humans of Hospitality Code at UK and hit. Subscribe on your podcast player of choice. I have waited very long time to interview this week's guests but patients has paid off and I'm utterly sure this program will blow or the very least. Open your mind just a little bit more. It's about those tiny little creatures without whom this podcast would not exist in the sense that so much of the food and drink. We eat is dependent on this insects. Ability to pollinate plants Mark Rogers owner of twin ways orchard has immersed himself in the world of bees for many years now whilst I knew were important and I knew they were being threatened for a very long time wanted to speak to an expert. About what exactly is going on and why we should be concerned. Mark will reveal parts of bees. Lives that sound. They belong to science fiction and yet they're happening all around us without us even noticing for instance. I thought being Queen Bee was a pretty nice gig but it turns out. She's not the boss tool but the hives ex slave being heard around by her inferiors. And did you know that honeybees greedy vandals? Give them half a child's on their rip a hole in the bomb of flour to get the nectar leaving nothing for other types of insects whose tongues were designed specifically for that plants and will pollinate it properly and we haven't go to the figure of adults that bees do and the amazing things that it tells other bees or how long bees can survive when they're parked in the post. When you listen I hope you learn as much as I did and I hope that you'll never want to spray your roses or any of your other Donald Trump's again please enjoy this week's compensation. Just thank you so much for agreeing to be on the podcast. Hugely appreciate it. I can just people listening. Where on planet Earth Are we? Please lower stores that. Were in the rolling hills of male plash. Blame Matton fairly wet and Windy Day. Well tonight There's no reaction going on. We are wasting between two storms on. This date is where people listening. Hopefully by the time this spring and then we daffodils and stuff everywhere bees buzzing around the moment we're wedge between storm. Kiara and Storm Dennis in the depths of winter. Does that mean visa asleep? They are to an extent Zia. It's so mild has been the they aren't really properly hunkered down. They keep thinking on copyright things. Starting to flower we plan various. Things are kind of like litmus test for what the bees are up to out there and they are kind of flying they use more energy flying to collect the nectar than they will actually have anything. Left surplus store amazing. Okay well we're GONNA come to all of that stuff and I don't being so wanting because we've hassled you every couple of months so the probably last year to come and have a conversation about bees because we see lots of stuff in the press and and I've had so many conversations about food and drink comes from an unconscious bees apart the food chain. So we're GONNA come into my little bit but first of all when you say the word be people even think. I think I said it's my son this morning. How many species there are an honor gave the answer? Roughly close. I think people think. Bumblebees and they think honeybees. But there's actually a lot in the world. Yeah depending on where you are on the world. Different the different niches that needed filling in different ways. Say have great big up in the Himalayas as huge fees that make comb outside high enough of the cliffs and you have a tiny like sweat as I think and Australia and of other parts of the world where they make honey and little water balloons and hang them in the nests some that make nests like wasps sort of like a spiral pattern and some of the work on hers onto planes in some welcome vertical planes. And Iva the type that we have a apis predominant in the species that Pham Wise. They're anybody apis Melissa. And the I mean there are people have over here. Is it GonNa look at you like a colony of one thing or another? Just as a kind of Ozzy would keep maybe in a different type of pat other. Okay really any just overhead. Then they're Kinda like localisms so in the same way that you can tell if someone's from Komo's although Oh Davenall Dole said. Oh Oh oh London Manchester Newcastle from certain inflections or even facial characteristics. You have different being asked Don. Hey you might have sort of a docker type of deal them off in bays of being brought in from other areas we've got right mix of stuff. Some of them are kind of bright yellow Antonio Brown and tim kind of Toda show so they're all the same species the same species but after different characteristics hair is straightened to accommodate the forest. I said this before. We came on air. Yeah around the species of cows in the fact that we used to have all of these species almost regionalized in the same way. Jeeze actually moved away from that as we bought over the European kind of big cows. But we seem to be going back to it. I knew it was exactly the same in bees. Yeah yeah predominantly. We've ended up with EPA Smith and that's part of the problem with diseases parasites that we have is that digestion come from For example the Varroa around saying was originally effect. Today is Serena and say they've kind of evolved Eva. Really time to live with each have wears Davis Melissa. I never had for the shock of coming into contact with them. The colonies in his eighties Late eighties early nineties day. The they just haven't had the time to come to terms of basically on the same scenario with the Asian Hornets. That's the same Dale. The thing is who come in wish subspecies now but they will like Enclose the Hornets in a sort of scrum of bees. I hate it to kill the Hornet whereas a metaphor. They haven't figured that out yet. They just kept picked off on the doorway and the the Hornet just eats them. Wow Okay we're GONNA come back to this one of my questions later and so there are a number of low to B.'s. Presumably in the wild is. Yeah and then there's also femme bees and they coexist they extend. Yeah here there's you have say we've got hurry an ear sort of high twenties of actual bumblebees in this country and different species is Andy. Who More or less finishes and Watkins very specific ways the nest in the ground. Woo or masonry timber B.'s. The APIS metaphor they they were while companies and there are some welcome news. But mostly 'cause the vera they wiped out of town say the majority of the population of base. Vc honey-based capped by some it might not be filmed It might be that scenario Debbie couple of highs in the garden. And you have competition between the two oversee. The Honeybee is Numerous Tens of thousands of as far as the wallabies might be very small colonies. The hundred couple hundred because of the way that they forage and store. Say The reason why we've exploited the honeybee that we is because she will go out and collect laser nectar mcclay to honey stole from wooden. She needs and then come back to that store in the winter because they rely on each of will to survive free to winter but like a penguins huddling taking a ton on outside when it's really coat that little of Creek Though to maintain their own temperature through the numbers whereas the while base the sack off the colony in the autumn and just the Queen's will hibernate. Say That's why you'll find what looks like a dead big really large Bumblebee In your shoes or your Monday plant Paul something. And that's why they don't need so much honey and Because I knew the Queens of us all the other dog. And then she lays eggs children dot lane Joe collect pollen macklowe bowl pollen and then show next her been captured. I A low of cocoon almost depending on the species and then hatches so squirm around but like an accurate at that point yet with an Pollen which is the protein and then that that's how those dot getting a numbers out and then the crazy thing with as where they and the Queen's stole the semen they need for their entire life and they decide whether they fertilize unfertilised. Egg and and B's bizarre in the a Mayo Bay has half the Kramer's aims so happily individual and the females. Because I have two sets of chromosomes from the mother and the Father Today. They end up being deployed today. Have twice as many chromosomes? Right focus is on the queen can lay males says she can they a few workers females who is a famous to help build a nest up when they start laying. Mayo's that's when the enough females around of set an age that they will start to be able to fly and then when they will reach sexual maturity the females can be made are going to be carried forth to be Queens for the next year. And then that's how you got the Queen's the other Just died in. The winter is just absolutely is already where it's such a strange bees up a whole insects occupy such a weird niche in between what we see and what we know what we this is why. I love having these conversations people donor so the queen could decide whether it wants to layer or have a male or female walk job is required and the high health and stores the Colony Mason. Insane happens in in the with the honeybees managed differently right and predominantly. That's because I'm making store so much much food for the winter and therefore thousands of them can stay alive. Yeah through the winter so you can see why they dominate them. Basically yeah you have a heck of a lot of of honeybees. That were bumblebees. Effectively the big parties. Would you say because you have to extract that that's in Mexico? They actually do. I think they call them sweat based but they're like a bumblebee basically but smaller and they have the they make a nest in a box or cavity of some so and they then. Lilo bunches of grapes with talks cutoff. Like Lowe's sachs like a bag of the Road Iva took Iran and they will secrete the honey into these new Paltz and they're on the way they actually harvest the honey Suck the honey at these tiny little parts to collect the honey consumption for human consumption. How spunk as the Nowadays Syringe? But I was back in a day just use stroll like a bit of stroll across or something and then just that truly sucked up out of the album full time consuming process. They honey about two hundred dollars a kid. Yeah I mean it's overseas known Valley's Agriculture's. It's not worth anything I should think. But it's likely it's priced. How much work is going into it. But that's amazing. Some you know look at it and say. Oh never worth that much good if you act pollen case for human wjm craziness were Bro. Jelly Too Jealous I. If these monks backpacks home vacuums getting around and to suck in the Bro Jelly out of the south like about probably full mill Putz. What do they do that? Who Make it in? The face really isn't the Royal Jelly at this is important. I was one of my questions. Related now is this. Is this something to do with the Queen you can say. The Queen is a direct sister of the workers. Says she's exactly the same Know exactly I was 'cause might say like twenty different. Father figures the absent because at dead Monday made Wednesday may rips. Gino's on die. I'm just outwear so that they might be like. Twenty sets of male governs on the. That'd be that much variation of sisterhood. Because he needed a mate. The female and the Queen's they decide they're gonNA make a Queen Dow inundate the Baby X. Phase WITH ROW. Jelly say she has just The ultimate nutrition that anything that makes a different than makes her ivories kicks into gear and then she as owner of the instinct to mate and Sort of another life while the Queen only the Queen can make the World Ellie Note. Now that the queen lays the eggs. Yeah so she died. She is just a slave shares in no way the like okay. Those bachelor she is. She is Eric slave and by herder around feeding her or not feeding depending on what they want to do a while they would let the boss. But there's an exclusive queen. Nice run at Posse job. Yes she just lays the eggs and the workers will through the level of firemen's body so we call for a long time quyen fair-minded. I haven't bread up enough on the mice. Recent sort of views on it but basically. I think it's probably more to do with the level of Brood. That's open say number ten. Please do the Brood. Say the lifestyle. Gosh so a queen as Nagara discussed that so I know then. In a few days time they add Bush looks like a grain of rice but a miniature flips over onto its side and hatches into like lava. Which at that point Really and for the first few days has just enough row jelly to sustain it and then it will pay several times at tens of into more like way familiar with it. Kinda grubbed having these pep boys on it. And then it's it's actually looked like babe still translation and then the cap the Sallai wireless prepaid ten and the thing that the the Pupa this in the south ways coons industrialists thing sheds layers and then when a hatch is it's sort of really fuzzy but is access Basically firm complete and that is the point The feeding of the Royal Jelly stops for the rest of the population of has after about three days. But the road given to queen is like APPs that can eat as much as she wants. And and the lack of a decent nutrition basically stops the working of the normal base. There's also some suppression with Goddamn with the fair managed. The active queen does release but depend if there's lots of open brood is about to be sailed than that's going to be a logjam situation while they run out of space and unless he has decided that that would be the point of when they would school say when they start to sense what would be naturally coming to a full high scenario. That's when the woman and create another colony Baid. Bees are like bees individually like cells specializing. Like we have have and skin and is in the united stuff that regenerates samurais entirely with them and a colony of bees is like a human as a whole animal so the different specialisms organs and once that bulks reaches like being done than. That's the point when they say right weaken. We've we've done our job we can move on and start another cut an dot site reproduction. So they reproduce on two levels they like us. So sal was rape achieves but everybody's like we reproduce sexually so they have this need to know when they need to kick into gear and they different cues some of them some of them space in some kind of a mash up with a two and once they reach a point. Then they'll stop stopping the Queen and then they'll stop fading up a few ACQUAINTAN- once that Queen is sealed. The existing Queen will fly off with so the core of the beast of their work in for her style. Another colony and then the queen's that are left behind will hatch fighter death and the one remaining one will be the next life thus just because how do we know this. We've been studying them for a while. Yeah I mean a lot of the staff was declared you think at the time to sort of sit around and pundits things over time is what everybody's Bend B.'s industriousness. Or they're sort of apparent hierarchies to that political theological way I work is they've got it. Work is our. They're all like. Is The monarchy isolated? It's like women tightly. Linda reese because the females run the whole system. The males are only brought into the same when the Queen's need to be made and as soon as the the outside situation changes and there's not enough feed or season the women just ripped the legs and wings of the blogs and check them out to die really game. There is no sentiment. That's interesting doesn't work so well together yet. They just tolerate a male. Just totally different. Yeah I think it's just the way it is. We think it could make the decisions that we have. That's why that ended up with the Patriarchy say scattered x like against I love it so I may come back to some some geeky questions later. Jumped ahead a little bit but before we do really I said to you before I just love the fact that somebody specializes in everything. I find the Moore fascinating so it's brilliant but the Kiwis and I guess we'll see bees in the press. Is this constant? Kinda like there's not enough bees. That's the destruction of of colonies for whatever reason and then it's kind of the impact of that and that headline starts with no bees. No food no human race at that level of extreme over there quite pretty and they look nice the orchards. Yes why are bees so important and is it is it the honeybees because it sounds like they dominate basis crazy? Done thirty. Say you've got plants. Went injury. Jays and baseline to sustain themselves and plants evolved to produce nectar not to bring about plants that need to produce reproduce with crossbreeding sexually Triploid THEM SOUTH CON reproduce without needing extra genetic material For therapy tation. They have learned to lure visa in. Say a different. I mean you think something's people hate wasps example but wasps specifically pollinate certain things and bees specifically pollinate certain things gross. And what have you done there are wind pollinated central implemented? But there are a lot of things that we taste nice not grass that needs pollination say the plants learn if they secrete something sweet that attract insects just BS sorts of insects. And then they'll get the pollen stuck backs a legs as it happens. The pollens also great protein sources. There's a convenient people think that honey is made from pollen. It's because that's what you see on the bees legs but it's the neck to they make honey from they. Then take that back and in doing so Though visit not supplant so they're spread deployment about that's the way downstairs evolved millions of years and we've stepped into that and thought we can dominate. The system we perceive do is just get it wrong because we look at the system. Close enough we just see where we can get the quickest buck cabot. Sadly and Zona Sunlight agreed. Yeah yeah that's why the population sample and diversity. Important to us. He just keep bees and feed them wireless. Before I'm more Contacts I had access to big fields of what was hit right which was great. You may later honey and everyone really loved it spy will be key Biscayne Would sell really well but the base would end up. Having just eaten one thing ages. I mean like if anything for ages on its I even. If it's really good for you still you make you deficient somewhere else i. It's funny how that special we specialize on certain things in hand in a two species varieties of crops And everybody needs to me. We need diversity to maintain by a food secure and we also need devastate to maintain the security of the ecosystem around us. Because you know they just have the one type of food that Histov or become deficient in things and the same with us if we if we job the base then which shelf in a salads end of the day. I'm the only pollinator. There's lots of insects. Pollinate is the issue that we're seeing in partly through monoculture pastures bay. We come to those Is it affecting pollinators? So what it is is like we have come to depend on. Just a few things allow say. Say like take almonds for example. We love energy into farming. A few varieties one crop in way in one space and we've become very dependent on that thing. Yeah there are other things that we come become very dependent on his one type of faded before we had just eaten likely that feed while we when we had it and we the story if we could we had a surplus but now we bring in from all over the world and we we we are not saying about things just globalization. It's just the way it is because some people would say but anyway by doing so we've ended up putting constant pressure on the system over time like when it wouldn't be under pressure know many say the bees which have come along and add polite set in this country. Have they wake up at you? Know that feed on some early nectar. Pollen us go in and then you have say offer kick in and then that kind of be the natural time to stop and I'd store by extra for themselves. And then his a la and you'll have the heterogenous dot coming to and then you know maybe before you might have some flowering crops and then you have the yeah our ably and then you have some clave and stuff kicking in and then you got your brand booze and as an fruit trees and that sort of like constant just background but the way that we farm staff and I'm not saying you know there's no real way round it with the way that we found is all intense over time so we want the bees to be like smashing out the part of the almond. We smash out of the park for the blueberries for the yeah for April cards for the suffering for the beans for the apples plums. Pears you name it and that's not how it was just like Tabby Josh Flat on the floor over time and that just we now they everything burns out saw and how they is there an alternative way of pollinating things. You have to these guys to do this. Presumably they've had major cock-up some puzzle. What ended up having a hand pollinate and it's pretty labour-intensive see patupit labour-intensive Specific breeding programs. And it's not something you WanNa data law. Yeah Yeah if you want to create a new variety of apple we'd take parents in control the the federalisation upon from one and stick it on the other vice versa type thing but we don't really have commented on Camacho. Let's go and do you need these Avondale of Wis- I in the middle of amyloid Jude. I suppose business yeah. They involve on annual basis. What happens so you'll orchard if there's no bees well you just got less fruits. They've got an apple. Some time Cisco Weird to the diffamation into its is so big concave area and oil. You have a case tangent that I do all those carryover. Suiko when you get like we win says Tangent. But you've got bits where there aren't any corn on the COB. That's why you haven't got idea nations nations you'd have Sufri like say raspberries and yeah we just got off of it. And then you've got the core in the middle because it wasn't punished properly. Same apples pears. I've had passed before that have just hardly anything. And then you bring you bring basins equation whether that's by improving the habitat and natural base because they work much harder than the honeybee pollination because the game is road more important for them say the Basic Got Nice won't box eleven whereas when that stuff's kicking off in the seasons the that's when the wild honey. Bumblebees are totally desperate to have all the pollen. Ooh The protein and they can get because they're trying to increase numbers from nothing. Save some things that just I would just wind free. I've had varieties PAB before we're going to most going to rip out 'cause he's a rubbish group as into the equation and they just fruiting properly and more consistently okay because in my naive had. I suppose I'm thinking be IOS alone is across Malaysia. In this important new plans. But it's literally so apple trees out our window. Fifteen hundred fifteen hundred. Yeah and does. Every apple needs to be pollinated. Yeah Yeah unless you have a AAA dry. Assembly Brownies triploid. So they sell Fateh so can just be the wind tap in the branches to govern As the amount of cross pollination because there's three different sets of information to to get to go hit the Jackpot did you say you said fifteen hundred. Yes each. How many apples do your nutri rave out one hundred per tree while and every one of those apple's had a a visit from a pollinator of every everyone needs to be piloted thousand crop of say something like beans used to combine white used to stick the bees out of cedar drive rise to the failed for the bays to put them down because of crushing the crop. But you could see a big semi-circular even a- circle Cadillac a Umbro around the beehives and the head literally fill up faster as you drive into that crop and you'd have to slide a combined down and as you get further away from the highs it within Michael again. And he's had these sort of like circles of productivity infertility Kevin away from the bay hives B.'s lazy as well like us. You know as much as busy any other fly. Free climate is yeah. They're going to fly. Recon say we'll have that for a flight back in a storage on that so I just got this guy says I can get what they need. A and say yeah. We have to spread the beat out for the fruit orchards. Move and how serious then. Seriousness as if we don't have them clearly sounds disastrous. I couldn't imagine going around. Fifteen hundred trees with a little syringe. The brush sounds quite. You're going to need a lot of kids. Aren't you to to pull that off? And how serious is the problem where we are? This is global warming and this might be. We're fifty years away. We'll take of it. I think we are in the thick of it and I think that it's really hard to know whether we'll just become more realistic about it and work it out unplanned consumption to be more sustainable over. We'll just manage to keep finding fixes to keep on going through but you know. Kinda like bees are on the path extol As we've seen in previous as you know you have major setbacks. We've ideas on. We've lost suit up with fifty percent of stock of winter. Why is just not enough money into it to really know why in the states where they've got big high value crops massive anchorages? They are interested in research in. But I I mean I was speaking to us. Before at agricultural things sort of seminars and things that didn't even realize some of the crops they are growing were insect pollinated. And I'm not trying to be like derogatory about. I'm not saying should have known but I'm just saying there as at disconnected here. Yeah well I don't think there's any excuses a farmer's ops. I have that disconnect did not fully appreciate but then I went to a butcher. The other day was a trade show. Local produce trade show and one of the came to restaurants and he said you interested in a new supplier. My first question to him was what are your carols eat. And he let me let me bonkers and he said I'm doing this for twelve years and nobody's ever asked me what my cousy house I really. That's an absolute start for me. I don't WanNA process until I know what you're Kathy grass so they Ingraham these. Wow nobody's ever asked he said I'd have to phone someone and find out what the cows easy and I was like. I seems a bit depressing. So that somebody in the trades imagine. Yeah if a farmer who doesn't know that it's insect pollinated. So what other things? We've got this issue that we're working hard. And we've got this monoculture thing and then we've got nutrition. What are the other things that are affecting it is? Is it right around this pestilence pesticide for that we know? Hey facts say I mean. I am a novel situation where I've by growing the crops and kept vase and appreciate the seed dressings INEX- based off like a major step forward in the U on having to spray as many times so in theory should be great. You're not putting all these campos into the environment killing staff sort of on a blanket basis. It's not kind of a mess. Wipeout situation but uh the damage that it does. The Papacy saying isn't isn't the problem. But the we've got figgers gave back to the tangent. I try and keep myself as much on the pages. Plus say uncle used to keep bees off and we when I saw keeping bees he was a catalyst that we looked back his records and look how much more honey to get from the OC ripen from the things linseed. Isn't that weird? And so I went to speak to the couple of reps and say look these varieties that we used to gray. What do we use to look for? Records Yeah twit really hasn't changed so it was changed in that time then to those. C- jetsons changed and this was before Hoopla really so also at this point wants to see dressing dressing Audi. Yeah so it's like sort of like a paint substance with The solution of suspension of Like toxic bit said it'd be something make the Eight them Berry. There are those The thing Roth siege routing on the ground that will be a just give the best possible stop in the ground because she's doing on such a massive scale you die. You're not ECON tend to wooden God nor in London so The dressing is applied to seed the before it's turned into the ground into the soil oil and this particular one. Nanak a bunch of guys into the soil the soil of the picks up for the moisture picks up this the this ingredient and creates a like a halo effect around the seed and then when it grows draws it to saas join the nutrients from the soil back into the stem of the plant. The plan then becomes like some sort of a DC comic superhero. Where is it's imbibed? This magical chemical in anything that bites it gets Li-fu days of the chemical who damage proper scientific stomach insecticide. Wow basically and say. We didn't have that before. What how long have we been using this early ninety s and and so? I had this conversation with this guy and he just tell you candidly just explained this change. And I didn't know about it and I was putting it on for years. We carry on spraying for for the east to the Pollen. And for their blooming. F is eat the crop totally unecessarily. Say we're like double dicing so okay right less. So we took a seventy five acres of farm on our of conventional converted to organic and various things and this is not a friend of Mine Thurman. Hey caboche factor and he his a beekeeper and he said Even if you're getting fifty percent of what you say again which is the post. Hip factor than. Yeah that's amazing so replied ten acres paddocks of Forage Full Bays just for the base Initially the fast single flowering of the ten acres have about seventy acres. I think we made so much honey that we paid for older the ground preparations for the whole acreage or of the seed that we bought and some of the McCain who expenses and the first crop that single paddock flower free times and there were four of like a so. It's a flawed than we put all that shit on the kids but if I had the same the mix that particular explanation fixing Max and on the following year. We cut it facade age and it yielded the ground is rubbish at being back The green revelation had choice. Liden entirely Pasta by was is the soil was like just just rubbish and the equivalent improvement in yield was probably about quivalent Hundred fifty hundred seventy kilograms of nitrogen that would have been applied but we'd obviously have no known action applied because it was just come up for the roots and the the crops say rich is while the Riemann digestible protein which is effectively That remained in the in. The stems of the crop. Wichita visited and made inside was as high as the dairy cake that people buy in and feed their cows. The milking just feels like A. I'm not GonNa say this just thinks that guy is smoking team. He's got layoff ever zone because economy token sense but that sort of winter we we were trying to work. I was having a rotation that were terribly that would fix enough not to fall out with a crop. That would not fixes. I night show need not shouldn't to grow like we will body and then kind of work that cross we try to we lighted Ping sunflowers and buckwheat and some that as completely mad. Buckwheat was amazing but it was so far had a Known even knew we was even trip in NYC and some people that are now set in it you know. What were you talking about? French is Sarah's on this thing Y- yeah and they what really well and so taking away that the dressing and everything. You just have to walk away from around. So you've done this. On a very micro level who has it been? Anyone else gone maybe not bunkers. 'cause we should try or is there a few people sort of so about various different levels about Netherlands in Zion? Trusted the thing you know. That's that's what I'm talking about with a intensity. Hurries worried about losing a little bit and the the still fly on. We're on this treadmill. Iaea an unpopular fear factor. 'cause I suppose you huge reenact. We had like five eight five Acre products that will so you could take the pundits. Jay feels I don't know a few years. I'm trying to Watson couple months ago. Spos- down river for organics. They were trying to do this. And there's some good stuff in organics and this and bad stuff yeah in organics going on that label mean much to me anymore. Seems but one of the team was in in the sterilization of soil. And you can buy poke organically Doesn't may ninth nothing to crow. Poke ON SCALE. That's financially viable. It's not humane is not sustainable. That's Be Sustainable in the long time. He has got to be affordable for the environment. Not just for us You can buy affordable And Kota organic eleven. Yeah and I think that's probably the complication I guess around. What does that mean? Does Obama no pesticides fertilizer or does organic mean sustainable from an environmental perspective? I suppose I don't get too angry too. That's okay so so one of the reasons is basically this. Is Your question no question if you can remember it was. I'm just kidding. What what else is impacting. The bees the apponator so one of the things is is potentially not even just the stuff whispering but this kind of seed nursing which is fascinating. Nutrition's a big issue. So which which I guess is what that is basically what's to be eating. It's either eating monocultures. It was too much the same thing always eating something. That fundamentally got some what they were saying about the staff was that the dais for bays is really high competitive the application rate but there were two butts without is the bee's concentrate net to make honey yes like it's fifteen percent moisture when it in a jar to dry as would this much sound but the Motiwala when it comes in is probably something like ninety percent right. So they're concentrating the chemical down okay. It's over there eating. Say Very if you a small amount of poisoning alone time. It's still going to Dave in. Sneck the book it's not lethal NBA's really selling point. Not least they're alive. Yeah but they don't say brilliant they might be using ten percent of the honey and it might be crap okay and this is not just UK. This is a global issue wherever there's presumably industrial but there must also be parts of the world. I suppose if you go into I'm trying to think of Amazon will parts of European. They're still honeybees. Outlive is doing their thing. North by humans. Yes amazing like you see these wild colonies in Poland sort of more dry stable climates yup no example of that but that's that's the nation be funny nation Yeah and and they just make honey and breed. Well we used to be. The climate is different and I never had a problem getting queens mated say once that and what economic queen the Queen then flies in estimate in return a never had a problem with that even with the INEX- Knowing stuff going on and we moved here we just we. We came here with two a new police. Just just free for. We just couldn't keep becoming numbers up just down on it and We now actually use artificial insemination to an extent to manage the numbers. And you don't know what well now. We're not really terrorism. Do you think that might be because you you now planting to try and Reserva yeah we day but We've got to the point where that was kind of by reducing the numbers. We realized it could be that was a lack of food because safety bates in the area that we knew supported. Mobis still had a set. The I do something else say. We went down the road looking into that. We actually found lots. And lots of the Mayo The giants inviter really high-percentage. What's that is that something that you know something that picking up the orchards? Whoever it's chemical that we probably I'm putting on somewhere over. Its feather field. I mean it's across the board older note. Okay and that specific to this location run. Yeah but you don't have ten acres of buckwheat and that's yeah I mean if you smashed nutrition then inappropriately. Ubs Not that we've done experiments with feeding them yet retaining pollen from other areas and feeding it to them and saying that affected the drying facility. And we've tried excluding them from certain things and yeah. It's literally a lawyer. The Vera is a big factor. The when we changed our treatment plan for a variety of Cycle. Look good crap like. Oh Yeah I said I will disc flex outside Nasty Bites the back of the gets on the back of the Bay and Bites under the Scrutton sexists Jason out basically feeds on it and they tend to attack. The male is more because they day she paid for longer. So they're in. The life cycle takes a little longer again. Never mail scenario beef and say they get prioritized. Mo- heavily and that's a factor. Say No one had also helped. But it's still the still way less fertile than you imagine it would be. And how do you control the verbal? This acid Honey and you apply duff periods when there is no honey around Vaporizes acid up through the colony and it broke the mouth piece of our well. That's that's pretty crazy. Well isn't yes okay. So how many hives if you go here now than any probably about sixty or say okay right? And then you've got an altered and the orchard is to feed the beast domino now. It's just a cycle very. I think that's the other thing that family needs to be as more of a cycle motorcycle understanding that there are you can make a little bit of money over the air and just keep yourself dot com or even five and not have to just be like hammering tongs at it for like really intense periods working sort of free the night to get things done. We have the bees make honey and we have some bees as well and we saw some queens and the apple juice and we sell some apple juice from who says that and then we keep telling Idaho Cycle that everything fits in together and then the bees as well as the honey that we saw they say make wax with them a cadaver products and it's old about that maximizing the return what you have not just saying growing something that no one wants to stop and then winning that no one wants to buy it and then not making enough margin on it. Anyway what would you do that? It seems to be vicious cycle becomes. I've I've mentioned this book. Curfews on the omnivores dilemma of YOU MOZZAMMEL. And he talks about that. I'd skip come up on on the PODCAST. Historically so moving into was probably not solution but I suppose going back to the reason to this is this is perfect because we have this information. You read these headlines. So it's true is an issue a lot. WanNa help you sometimes go to these little events and the National Trust or somebody will do something where they give out. These little packets of seeds is in Canada can the homeowner who chokes a few extra plants. That are attractive to bees and other pollinators in their garden is that is that worthwhile is about that. It's about everybody. Having mole move variety for longer. Not We had a lovely sight in a village by the seat but enough people that that Scott was lovely be interested in the bays but one of the neighbors every day for about four years killed owed of the base in one day span arises known. We had to give up the site. Because why would you keep doing that? Yeah the first couple of times but then it wasn't. It wasn't an. It's just that we can't keep doing this. These BS in the valuable to us and if they are dead that I not just not producing. Then they're not valuable to us and they'll say the START SPRAYING SODIUM RAISES. Leave your blowing dandelions around leave areas of the place uncapped US Habitat. It's not just for us to look like so flippin earth basically okay and then there seems to be of growth. You know I know. I know a couple of olives. Talos trying to Charles. This was now but he had a couple of beehives outside his window. Used more people may be on rubes. Is that helpful bringing bringing hides into. This is how it's helpful because bays are amazing way of connecting people to environment more broadly when appropriate dyed-in-the-wool out costs dinosaur style from everybody looked at me like God alone. Harry way scapegoats half pipe. Thon idia was chuck. And I got these BS and it was like Flippin. Stick him a fee. It's like walking around bath overtime. Just sort of a sudden I'm the What'S FLOWER IN HIS SOIL. Moisture net for that. It'd be nectar in actual flowers when it when they when they start to blossom. You know all these different interconnections suddenly became like really in focus and that was kind of that is the best about base. And if that if you can get the staked on the importance of the whole system than in a that would be the answer but downside is that just another full of intensive agriculture. Now you might have fifty sixty thousand babies in a colony in the middle of the summer and they are just going to pillage the entire area an earlier. Mattru naturally occurring. Bumblebees and solitary bays are just going to be pushed out to the mountains where we need to encourage them as as ones that were hottest Season and a mole naturally important. Because they are they fulfill Monica's okay. Classic like Sorry Tangent say a honeybees thou cheat sometimes and now just rip a hole in the bottom of the flower to get the nectar inside the nectar out that way whereas the right insect to put an eight that plum have the right length tongue or the right landing apparatus to get on the flower. Get in there and get the nectar and the pollen indiscipline around with Evancho and off with an actor gets more complicated. So fundamentally plant gardens with lots of cool flowers yeah spray you roses and that actually maybe don't bring mobis in fact what you really. WanNa just try. Luby's yeah and with the neighboring OJ. It's kind of a project on trying to increase the natural putter natives by having more diversity of flowers around for longer and that was one of the big pluses from the from the project. We did before with the paddocks with just the whole ecosystem just went bananas. Had Oh these extra neckties. Millions of wild colonies. Abadie so much so that the budget you stick around digging them out. The ground hit him with the Mo we comfort a modem and we never noticed bees in the perfusion in the ground making nests in the ground to the extent we'll ever ever ever hair a bee colony that had been dug up by by out the ground ever before and say with that came all of the birds that were in. You know I mean the wildlife ranger black because I was a wildlife dosage life thing it opposite on the other side of the bank and they sit there and have lunch because I just blown away in the. How many different species? We're having them in profusion of them and just you know we huge Maturations of a few just stuffy didn't see in such big numbers because there was just an abundance. Mazen you get an abundance nature like us. Make trying to make it work. Yeah that was another movie. I saw that plane again. We know about about bees and chloe. We live this reminded find the link was but it was. It was a farmer in America and it was an orchard. Actually and it'd be completely decimated and there was just like a dusting of snow and they had an expert come in to kind of help them and I think it was something like a seven year plan around and it was kind of ultimately nature will sort it out in that period where they were making incremental changes they'd get completely infested with or whatever it might be. There was a certain road and I think that came in. And you know this. This kind of us was eventually guarantee you. Nature will find the balance but actually to have the money in the resources and the Bulls and the time to go through the net takes out bows. I had lost a lot of stick for the some of the stuff. I did likely is to try to isolate strips of weeds in the middle because when you plant in orchard you have Bucks the will completely destroy new trees in that setting back. The men are completely destroyed. Below make massive impact within twenty. Four hours I'd swear those lead have across. Didn't have the wage gap in it got really bad mouth attack and really bad eva tax and different types of. It's the which is where I used to let. The big swaths of weeds grow as high as the trees in the middle of none of that. No problems too. But the Mass Pike have on neighbors ringing me up ten. They wanted to me. I should note down. Flippin family was telling me I should note that random people that would drive in by with just swear right to the point where I had to cut him down. And what do you and I tonight? If it's dry Mbacke. Yeah this is where this will be a not want to diversification. Let up sheep and the goats. Isn't it going? Yeah I mean we we have where sheep and hey if be careful with that because they will then they learned how the trees are the lead them to scumbags. Well always was the trigger. Do you remember when you first got interested in bees. How this is the story of life or it's just I just fooled from one thing to the next on code. Who had the baby's face hit book to go on? Akerson REFRESHER TYPE. Course with this couple. Who are really The sort of big big big big lakes area that she moved to go now and They this quite hard to get a place on the coals. Say he space and of course is Jeff by had a hip resurfacing operation and couldn't go say of course you guy. I and just embraced a particularly got enough on my plate. Is I work evenings and just guy so I went. They were really miffed because they were expecting. Dr Dale After. Turn this yeah yes. It's going to be great. I got my long hair flipping teasha of the attitude and they CPA miffed and That got me in to the just how weird and flipping bonkers Beija and that was in probably about a window to Fezzan four or five and by that summer I had about fully beehives. Wow I'm just I'm just doing this. And the next year we started work out. Wh- ins and outs of gang the and doing that with spy. About two thousand seven or eight or something like that with going to conversion And then by that point we're about to a couple of hundred companies would you'RE GONNA goals? Now he just wanted to. I mean he traveled through East retired. Now travels around. He doesn't even have any babies. What was it on the evening then? The just spots that really. I think just seeing that was potential. That was this is the like patience agrarian. Emmy those this bit of Nisha that we weren't taking the of an initially as like I can make some money that road in our big peaks of lab have loaded word to cultivate the ground and drill it and then you know once every ten days he might have a spray around put some fertilizer out different context feed anyway fade out for the for the crops in light of work at harvest time and then store and a grain and getting it out and that's it and said it was a lot of time that I could say that the bees with fa in quite symbiotically with that and say yes that was it and then when I go them just connected. Everything's so much and I just thought of is like when compared to like a glass on and I haven't had caused until lawsuit three years and the first classic like random stuff do a timber Miller Leighton machine it and stuff and glasses on like crisis not just brown like a really interesting pattern. It and it was that grey and BS was like this Eureka moment just his connections in this site already. The kind of guy that was driving around in the door and dragged my arm for the soil so see what it felt like type thing but that was just suddenly this at home. I would like though these free trade with this. That Lewis had next to the house. No these fruit trees. It just never had fruit on them to the extent while had never applied around the time I was born. I'd never seen on them to try the fruit even and it was just like bang. There's this fruit everywhere and I really is based on. This isn't such a shock because I buzzed them but that would have been avoided. Sc Many of them over time. Uh Yeah I can see why that would be signing did a mushroom foraging course with John. Winston and that was similar going into the forward. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly foraging ornaments underneath. See Potential yet. I you normally walk through the forest. I love it but the difference in our level of presence when you were down looking under the under the leaves and under the logs and there was a whole world whole ecosystem now. Learned about the mis- MIS- mis- Elian whatever. It's I'd mushrooms. Yeah it was just was just mind blowing so I can imagine so so the technical. Somebody wants to get a beehive altogether this fundamental size. Uvira Queanbeyan how does it actually work? I tend to tell people is gonNA find your local beekeeping sation club whatever and see if you can deal with the intensity of that many flying insects hovering around your head and potentially trying to sting you. It's not for everybody and if you think that's your bag than Echo Go we do courses but Introductory Coa say you can spend an hour just around so more one on one with a colony and somebody that Nisar Nicer equipment and then if you still think that's view then be a. You've got to buy equipment by the box of the base guy in the cabins in a suit in and get some base. I've some people collects warms and from labels base. You call this valley but this woman. I just say that as we're talking to your own when the Queen's set and sales and the rest of the colonies happy that they're going to be the future of that individual colony the bees the now hamnes will fly around looking for a new. Catheter fail with bees. And some new Haim and say they will so hang off of a branch aside a sign or a events whatever whilst the scout base. Go Away and find the new home and in that time you can come in on the books or bucket. Whatever the bees into it and then put them in your house and they've not been here too long Decided that they're gonNA get a new spot because they have this mad system where it's like a digital accumulation Sense scenario where the base go away and measure these. Cavities voids out for tip for the perfect hyman. Then they'll come back through done so wacko dance another random tangent that one right now To say location if this spot figure some difficult my fingers and they will then send mobis off to look at this site and the movies that come back with the same figure writedowns will decide and then thou reach a trip in point whether little DOPP of enough of the mass of them decided that. That's what I'm GONNA go and they'll go there and you re democratic heavy moved the code only far enough away from where they've decided it's going to be that new haven. You have no way of knowing whether new going to be then they'll go to the have anyway so you've gotTa get before. They've made the decision or take them sort of more than three kilometers away from and the thought. Weigel include the information as to where the location is. What do they follow each other? Direction and distance really belong accuracy like GPS jar of Sugar Syrup on one side of Taibu. Give it half an hour that decide. That's why that is other end of the table. And they were still be flying to the end where the honey was. The ship was five minutes before a couple of ski. Cool across the table is is moved. It's like how are they going? Yeah within ZONA AUTOMATE ROMEO. Three or four kilometer base. They can pinpoint something to do. Like almost like Pied Arise Division so they can see the Assad angle of the Sun. They can tell whether they are some moves. Yeah does Dance Pass just bunkers near gets connecticut gets done for Midlife mazing. My son was worry when you were talking about it. Can you get your head around kind of light? Intervene stood in bees and not panic because he knows I've loved these for years conceptually and he was very nervous. When I was coming here this morning I come out with some talking about sheep in orchards. Am I seeing something? Sheep is did you do did you. Press has appeared outside the window in your audit they keep the grass down the SEC. So no I'm not bonkers asking people to start listening to this podcast in and thinking I know shit which will be able to know that the brow level associated by the beat the piece. The sheep beaten everything but point. Okay right so you go out. You can find one of these songs you can take it home but yeah I need you need high putting Your Lounge. You put is in space and the reason they like. What is it about these hives? That obey alike set. A compulsive maniac said take it to the next level they are shaping space warriors. They love it. They they want a very precise gap between the lives of the south by the accent Precise gotten to another when they have really to move cavity that elect to fail in. Its Dat Phan Width. And they like a specific entrance. Size and land was Dayton who got it. I think it was lens. Drove is a referendum so and he discovered that if you like layers. We couldn't frames frames of beeswax. In two weeks the bees sent him out of the time would fill the frames when you could take the frames out to look at the bees and that was the biggest advancement in beekeeping. Last few hundred years was that you could get them out and you could look to see whether they had honey whether they were healthy what they were doing before. You had these gaps retentions. Ns like a like a bucket made out of stroll and the only way you had to harvest honey was a kid all the base and sawed say for like several Hundred Years. People were breeding BS backwards to base. It made the most honey would wanna go killed every year and the ones that didn't have enough money at the end of the season would be the ones that would make it through to the next year to selectively breeding crap B.'s. Scabs his lovely romantic idea about the past. Yes like older bat rubbish. You're looking at it with raised in. Its back it wasn't as good back then. Yeah so how does it work in Hollywood? And what he's actually doing in say they have like a bird nest at the bottom. Which is the bigger box? And that has oh the lava an and people look like grubbs. Well they outcrops and then they'll still pollen down to feed them since the Source of protein a half and then also about hunting the boatman's well and then in the wild they would have fixed themselves to their to the ceiling of the space saver bill down but in a high if the heat rises and it's the heat they need in order to keep themselves alive Pathetic and they have to fully We've exploited them so we put these. Oh we put a filter on the top the stops to Queen Gain for you quit acquaintance later so she continent any accident atop though. That's the best. Buy Food to make the honey said that oud honey on the top and then when there's enough honey will will take it. I mean some people will love. People will just take all Varney regardless. But we'd always leave enough honey that the bees because of these better fades honey than is to feed them should've syrup which is attentive because FM. We just talked about Ratto. Yeah okay So as fundamentally building up a story they've got that for the winter began. Take some of it away. And then they just keep replacing it base and because we kind of know the pragmatist alike. We've made it as similar to what they find idea. That's possible and they make the the structure that you see that they build that themselves. Yeah they they can build a completely scratch. We'll give them Kosova Foundation Lahya of wax with that in Boston to it that they'll look at and Follow from that. Foundation Foundation has stepped into it. And they'll can't look after themselves. How much management take much management? But they do need. People advocate for no no import beekeeping. But that's kind of a little bit disingenuous really because if you Dane maintain store levels and that kind of health then you're neglecting. Gt Radio and also you could just be sending out LBJ infecting bees and all for Jason versus warm data about and then a neighbor's washing nine or whatever. And how do you maintain a healthy? Not Not there the question saying that. That's really they need. The right diet. Need the right temperature that need protection from adamant. They need enough space right. Okay so you'd be open it up. Basically go in. Are they. Happy space to laying in order for the work day think basis start making some stopping the queen and swimming any to have enough food so all of the grades. Then he'd have enough moistening They've got four drink but not tea. Much mody over that. Okay so just give him a general. Julius love is fine but in sacks yeah okay but it's not like you're out there every once you've got food as warm season you might WanNa go and see them once a fortnight but once for journos woman these needs to of nine ten days because within that period they can make salads that extent where they will be thinking about leaving them behind. I'm presuming that sort of end of some of that is now beginning beginning. Yeah so from sort of end of April till gene because they're producing so much of that house the main this does not the ideal time to re found a new colony because they have to build say to make wack style Cassim an amount honey and then though and they're all the jobs specific joints that Rented Age so a certain age they're able to produce wax a wax comes out of glands on their On that boat basically doing where the plates of the XS gotTa meet to notice from tobacco like right now for those little gaps though secrete wax lobes like round leaves and though then take that? Live she of wax out front that up. Now chew up in the mouth and then they'll Secreta back to make the cells to make the hexagonal south. Roy Sounds lovely. Doesn't could've should've filmed you. Can you harvest? How does that from? Soon as you're sometimes in the spring we have to take some honey off. If they've made a lot of say like ideo something that would be blocking the frames for them not start bringing other In so whenever there's this up that's one thing we'll take that way and then we'll keep that until the next step is comes along and then we'll extract from the extract. What was the Serb does? That would have been filling a gap if the next hadn't come home and then we just keep doing that. Say that if the next thing that should be accepted doesn't materialize because to Wacko Staccato road. Whatever then we'll get it back. What would just took. And then. So Roy wants die behind. Yeah we'll take us behind usually and that would that would carry from spring to what end and focus. Yeah and and you're you're noodles and we just want to talk about what you actually do so you use honeyball immorality. We'll see different sort of hate. It has like honey and wax internally together in the hive we spin it. A centrifuge took the honey out of the wax kind but it was a period. I guess I don't know exactly when it was but in this whole like that's make. I go towards efficient as it can be area. We discovered that you could just mellow and the wax comes to the top and the honey. Thanks to the Bowman and easy. Now you just press the button it so it out and then come back to it and lift the wax off the top and let the hunt out the button but when you heat it you're basically just turning was already an inverted sugar into caramel. It was you know you cook into sugar and make an homogeneous. And what's Nice about honey from different? The what I just discussed with taking steps lead. Is You have different flavors. Throughout the year and they use different. Flavors are down to all sorts of different factors. Ama- compounds and the very nuance view heat. It up who are Texas Catcher Ivan Straight off? You Kill the enzymes. And you'll say will is and this is from this phone in competitions this like dry eve to not have be lax and honey which is great. I can see the point in that but they took it to its extreme conclusion and so they've removed everything there's no pollen that. Nowak says by and filtering it you making. It rose shiny and like wild. I'm the nectar that truly You take what a goodness and you modernizing so when you take out the industry average between milk that's been pasteurized. But that's all it has done to it and mail. Pittsburgh margin is buster is Info Ed volume the supermarket pretty much. He's always going to be largely eh heated suit and also be a blend of or different seasons and different parts of the world because they want to be to produce off because they want consistency and osaze plants is say if you're producing the x million jaws. You wanted to smash all day with that. Not Stop you know. Whereas the way we will extract one variety in May will record everything and checking the moisture contents and widow covens. And then we'll look at the next power we've got almost separate out. Dif- were different areas in different times. And then would extract that and then we say we'll be easy it'd be just smash on on Capitol Spin Out until one tubs full and May next big tavern and when we finish that job title without low and then stop jarring up the way we we ended up with different flavors and you can tell where it's come from. We know literally which bees have made. That jar of honey. Was everything about women not being able to go hunting. She sees infants under one year as really small chance of obeying botulism. Spool is in honey. Okay Yeah and butchers you can't. You can't get rid of the temperatures that we would around. I'm not even sure we can get attempt. Cheka hits and then a random question was on the phone to a guy works miekel date who would appreciate a guess. What about Hay fever was told to get people? Buy It for that. I mean you know the we. We conduct any claim about it. But the seventy people who swear by I mean I suffer from Hay fever anymore. You see when I was younger and people people could. We fell into the Nisha. Doing what we're doing. Partly for that reason that that I could say exactly by the honey came from people like Oh wow was attributed. The difficulties is how locally can get it. Yeah I think it's more to do with the season because if you say oh really bad middle of the summer. There's no point in having honey from the spring even if it's from outside your doors are not acceptable. Now you'd imagine they might get a tree pollen I think is the time you're evaluating. It's that was gonNA work. Then you'd want your tree pollen the unidentified -ality of so where do you sell directly over the phone or through food markets and stuff? You don't just do honey. What else does it. You're making from your say the first two years that we kept these really wet years and all we had was spacewalks because mostly he's kind of taking over owed equipment and rebuilding near equipment producing a lot of wax. Say and make mistakes and friend of mine. I do better fretwork as well off season. And guys I what was really into nutrition and so is getting even injuries as a bodybuilding with time and is eaten all these things and they're all like priority and Japan can strange ingredients like David what I try out this. These are many carbs and need this much fat and I need you know this much different things. I'm thinking well I'm grants and wheat and barley and I've got a honey and this protein from the pollen and the wax would make a really good like binding agent because they do other types of wax and cousin a dairy farm so that we can make Iran butter effectively as well as we need more fats so trying to make these sort of bodybuilder energy bar type things but it was just too far because it was just like property decade ahead of any been been interested at all in the providence or the quality of what. They're actually putting an edge muscle fast tags just didn't anyway cleaning the town. Some of it would always cause the big pots they would it would cool foster around the edges in stick to the side of the puzzle is scraped in pots at one day with The plastic spatula thing and and scraping onto my hand and I got like basically like a salve and he said he's like Norwegian fish farmers hand style stuff which is just petroleum jelly basically and that's really similar to that flocked into a pot and beekeeping gloves and I was just using it like Econo- fascinating really stopping sticking together. Anyway then I just took the butter and the ice and the of stuff out and made up a batch of this stuff and I think like gave some away for a Christmas. Everyone's expecting honey. Sorry guys Shylock with no honey how best instead and some people came back with like a positive feedback. Well no she said it was crops and then He. A mother's Day came along some Flippin lavender and S and try that. And all these things and it just snowballed like every house I've done. I've just fallen into accident trying to do one thing and start and everything. Todd ended up where I'm sat grow. So now you've got a range of different products. Said some stuff. That's you know would casual and take an eminent Vince. Covenant based Wax and then we also make south bombs and buddy is just an diesel through We did have a website but mainly we sell that House. I'll like across UK. Yeah so you can produce enough. Yep All from your own now from people locally that we know that we trust on stuff with the hives. Okay and is this. Is this the supermarket? So this is multi smaller retailers. We haven't really found that it works out well in supermarkets because it's not that kind of product we we've gone into Vega department stores and stuff but it's we've been happy with sales numbers. They expect stuff to sell free much quicker. Okay we've always been. Wow WE'RE GONNA learn. How are we going to keep up with US guys on that for about eighteen months couple of years or something and then just that I need some money bought. Oh turn around and be like our doesn't compute where we'll stop in sight. That's fine okay. And do you produce yourself? Yes Lab Does not here. It'd be fun for tonight. And that's yeah an independently tested and so yeah. He's a fully at Greenwich Company. It's always under the same brand now. He said it's A gun attention. It started Phil. Dose is the cosmetics. Bad side of the Beeswax side and this is the twin mice owed William Today and say we. The honey is sort of from a separate company because the land and limited companies and stuff cited. Just keep things separate And I'm my science Rojas Rojas today period and Roger Side Air. And that kind of thing can filbert's mom's name Phyllida she's Phil Phil but hazelnuts pointing out of Windy Exist Hazo hedge and that's one of the earliest pollens in the And say the beach were small extent that much because it's actually a wind pollinated plant but they do say that and so it was filled by having Filbert's originally and then someone else coming home and did not send. We ended up having allergy botchy about the name and they ended up with a prefix and we had a suffix of base and then phospholipid about another five years and blooming birthdays. Let Ranitidine on your to close at Birth B.'s. Buffet base now. We're Dorset Okay Phil. Also any cost tens of thousands of cash. We make complicated ourselves human beings on. Wouldn't you rather be the Melby? I'm very close because I'm conscious of time. You know one of the other things you do. Is You still do? Pollen the assets. The this is the thing where literally you walk up with. Somebody else's farm with a low debates trae let obeys or however many we need either and for your crop and then people they actually pay us for help you because the bees ingratiation star randy helps us toll really but we keep on doing it really. Yeah Yeah I've cut him. Oh I was GONNA say there was a couple of weeks I think was the Guardian about I think it might be new century but it was almond nation and it was like wiping out seventy percent diabetes. Every time they did because they still did it. Because you get paid per call me to be there because they realize the value of that I never even brokers that make money between us. A huge massive blended bees and over here. It's because people realize that needlepoint nation. So you do that. But you know they'll get spray. That got stressed but sometimes I make a decent crop. Abby something different to sell them markets say otherwise would have this. I would be Appalachia tiny. It's nice but it's just one thing. Yeah Okay so you know I find it fascinating that you can that you can go off and do that and you do courses as well so yes more now and that's good because it's a way of giving people a chance to have a look at these in a more what I found. I got really stretched out when I started keeping base because they were not impressed with me being on a course anyway. The woman who's the age said. Oh when I saw beekeeping Just wearing a Gingham Scott and we note much in tight across face to So the bees getting our noses and I am so gonNA better do that no problem. I got so badly done it starts. It's just it's it's a it's an environment where there's less pressure a bravado. To be taking away you know people can come here and they can see on and intelligent enough to think about gauge. How well people again with the situation and gear around then Ravin Bay like the set of scenario you find in a group or a club weather already packing whatever everybody's got their way and that pecking order and and you know you need to anyway and there's that pressure on top of the fact that you've been surrounded by a cloud of bees to sting you will not you just like a nicer environment to. We got a mole mobile health. And did you just add liberty as much as people one? Yeah this way to excite. Yeah Yeah I'm going I'm going to the site for us is is something like two amazed. Common the other one is. I think this was a dose it. Could it will get a definite links and put them on our website so humans of hospitality all too often. I asked at the end where the website is people. Don't know so you've also built your own house which we sat inside. That's been a Labor of love that you've been doing for a while but it's also it's looking pretty close. How long as I mean like help skip and a jump away. No really led a paper and surrounded your and also. I'm very new with all these different things with which is the bid. That's the most rewarding when you get up in the morning and you're kind of excited about that. Is there a particular thing that you do you? Gang cleaners rights for good. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's very novel. I create a batch of queen bees from the bloodlines. That you've chosen. And then you get keeping alive long enough and collect enough drain semen to be able to inseminate them not kill them doing that and then them survive not gain by Bud. I fly and then stop making their own nest colony or someone else buys one a new C. You say how these days now like yeah. They're really nice. That's that's probably the best. That's pretty awesome more by saying when you buy a B you send it in the post up. Bless doc comes in from different places over the past. How how long could it be leaving the post? These as someone lost yet Some in the post on a bank on the Thursday before buying call today might have even been one of these scenarios and they had sedate sat for five days in the pace area. We're going to be touched. But they will find just the pacman move queen and Purvey Channel. Sidewalk is a lump of like high. Fructose Forever Governs Candy. And that's incredible in a little plastic cage in plum in emulate with holes punched in it amazing as written on the outside which is failure whiskers the things. I'm grading so with all of that and I thank you for taking the time it's been brilliant and I'm glad I've waited tables. I personally love it. Let's hope there's other humans out there who can listen for this? Well that if you've got here had yeah but it's been spot on a huge amount as I knew I would sort of optimist pessimist perspective with all of that backdrop and the complexities of what's going on. Do you look forward and Kinda go. Okay this is going to get better. This is going to get worse. And who's going to help with this? Farmers government is consumers. What was your general kind of figuring such a pessimist? I've been ruled screwed? That's the just not my stacy. How many conflicting narratives and everybody says problem? Someone that says that there is an an Unedu side just conflicting necessities like I see people put an odor gave enough in time really to what he called. It felt that things were getting worse and better at the same time so I totally agree with that There are definitely people making big strides. But they are the people that I've got a hand. They aren't the people making policies and I speak to get close enough to sell them any political importance. Try TO MATT. They can give them monkeys and even people like those big large festival a Una following the people that run out and I said to me I th this. We've got real potential to show what I've been doing too much. Bigger audience and people will listen to you because they do and I got we got sitting in Matt and go quite follow benefit was great and then the flip and bean counter go and vote and that was it just. That was the end of the scary. Have you spoken to national? Trust for Eddie Perspective on I'd say tried and I've tried the bumblebee conservation. Trust right. There was some farming Leica. Stewardship of conservation trusts type thing. They may sound bobby interested. But it's just GonNa take some take a big leap of faith and all save for for it to work out a couple of guy. We tried it on a small scale semi just had a freakishly dry and nothing Germany. It and it wasn't the end of it such but it was such a big blow for the person that was involved because you invest a lot of invest a lot in both emotionally and financially in the doing innovate guys realm affairs time does not allow incentive to get drug gangs hidden bunker. Yeah he's as mad as someone from the National. Trust focused but I was trying to someone in separate meeting Mental Selig and I said you guys are such huge Landau. Surely a lot of that land. They they leased to farmers Shaw as the National Trust. You should be in a position to try and influence the sort of things that happen on your land and the soil farming. So it's not just let and to be fair. They said that conversation is happening to have that conversation for sure. I know people that have been involved in applying tendencies and things. But it's just there's just so many factors and it's a drop in the ocean. Yeah Okay thank you. Note the point of this podcast is to is to have these conversations and make people aware I am a deluded optimist whereas you may be a continual pessimists died by by at least having the conversation people have a greater appreciation for this and I'm constantly make the point that you know where and how we spend money in impassable within a living so just choose to spend our money in about y on different things. Maybe you've been yeah. I mean we have people talk about climate change and people say oh now. I should be doing anything. We'll just because it makes stuff nice at like even if it wasn't a big thing and is misguided wouldn't it be better anyway like would that be about thank absolutely. Yeah you're right okay. Good well thank you again mouth very much. Appreciate it and good luck and yeah I'll be back to learn more about these articles. Thank you thank you so much for listening to this week's podcast and remember the on the website humans hospitality co UK. Every week. 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#B86 (bee-stung to before)

The Dictionary

11:51 min | 8 months ago

#B86 (bee-stung to before)

"The nerds welcome to another episode of this. Podcast called the dictionary. Yes we are at the top of page one. Ten One ten. It is amazingly page. That's before one eleven first word is be stung. B E Hyphen S. T. U. N. G. It is it is in N. It is an adjective from eighteen. Twenty to having a red puffy appearance as if from being stung by a bee as in Bee Stung Lips. Those my personal opinion is those can look. Kinda weird you you. Google Bee Stung Lips. And you're bound to find some funky pictures. Next is Beeswax Noun from sixteen fifty five and we have the number one definition for the word. Wax NEXT IS BEAT. Noun from before the twelfth century a biennial garden plant of the Goose Foot family that includes several cultivars and that has thick edible leaves with long. Pt Olds and often swollen purplish red routes. Also it's route used especially as a vegetable as a source of sugar and four edge. The scientific name for this biennial garden plant is Beta vulgaris and in parentheses. It says after let's see includes several cultivars as Swiss chard and sugarbeet. So those are a couple. Examples beets are pretty healthy for you You know you. Maybe don't Wanna eat them every single day like Dwight from the office but they are good for you on occasion and it might turn your p kind of red So don't don't freak out. Don't don't be scared. It is a very common occurrence if you have some beats anyway. We're going to move on to beat armyworm. Armyworm is one word and then beat is its own word. Noun from eighteen ninety four and armyworm that typically eats the fully `age of Beets Alfalfa and vegetables. And the scientific name is spot up terra or it's probably pronounced spot Darah exit. I love scientific names. I have no idea what they mean. Though next is Beetle B. E. E. T. L. E. It is the I form Noun from before the twelfth century. I'm looking did I miss them at Emoji? No I think we're good number one. Any of an order of insects having four wings of which the outer pair are modified into stiff elettra that protect the inner pair when at rest number to any of various insects resembling a beetle. That word illiterate. I've never seen that before the L. Y. T. R. I hope I pronounced it correctly. This is from Middle English. Bettiah B. E. T. y. l. l. e. from the old English Bitola Akin to beaten which means to bite so Beatles bite. They don't necessarily all bite though. But that's where the word came from. It looks like now we have the second form of beetle it is a verb Specifically an inch transitive verb from circa nineteen nineteen to scurry like a beetle as editors Beatles around the office and now we have the third form of beetle. It is an adjective from the fourteenth century being permanent and overhanging as in. Oh I think I skipped a couple of lines. Let's try that again. The third form of beetle is a noun from before the twelfth century. One a heavy wooden hammering or ramming instrument number two a wooden pestle or bat for domestic tasks. This is from middle English battelle from old English battelle akin to the old English baton which means to beat. Now we have the fourth form of beetle. This was the one that I started to read accidentally. It is an adjective from fourteenth century being prominent and overhanging as in beetle brows. Whoa so if you've got like really Oh. So Eugene Levy would. His eyebrows considered beetle brows because they look like Beatles. I don't know that they don't at all This is from Middle English. Bittel browde which means having overhanging brows probably from battle orbital which means beetle and now we have the fifth form of beetle it is an in transitive verb man. I screwed that whole thing up I went. I bounced around all these different forms of Beatles. All right this is an transitive. Verb from sixteen to the synonyms are project. Or is it project? No I think it's project and Jut J. U. T. As in to scale the beat aline crags and that is a quote from R L Stevenson enough. Oh I wanted to say about the word beetle. The band the Beatles you may have noticed they don't spell it like the insect beetle. They actually spelled B. E. A. T. L. E. If I'm remembering correctly the story is that John Lennon saw in a dream that their band name would be the Beatles with an A. I don't know how true that is. I could be messing it up but anyway. That's the that's the story all right now. We have beat leafhopper. Two words leafhopper is one word. It is a noun from nineteen o six. A leaf hopper. That transmits transmits YEP transmits curly top. Virus to sugar beets and other garden plants and the scientific name for this leafhopper is circle liver. Tennis NEXT IS B. Tree. Two words noun from seventeen seventy three a hollow tree in which honey bees nest next is beat. Route One word. Noun from fifteen seventy nine it is chiefly British and it means a beat grown for its edible usually red route. Also the route so the route has just called. Beetroot next is B. B. E. E. V. E. S. And this is just the plural of the word beef which we read a couple of episodes ago now is be yard one word. Noun from the fifteenth century. And we just have the synonym APIARY IN. Apiary is a B. Yard. Next is the abbreviation bath. B E F or beef. And it's just an abbreviation for the word before. Now we have B E F again but this one is all caps it is an abbreviation for British Expeditionary Force Expeditionary Force. Yeah next is befall. It is a verb from the thirteenth century. I is transitive to happen. Especially as if by fate and then they transitive definition says to happen to as in the fate that befell them. That would be the past tense. Form Befell Now. We have be fit. It is a verb from the fifteenth century only We just have one transitive definition to be proper or becoming too as in clothing that befits the occasion. I'd like to wear clothes that do not fit the occasion. No that's not true. I'm a little bit too embarrassed to do that but in my mind. I want to do things like that. I want to wear a Tux to a fast food restaurant. If I were to actually go to fast food restaurants but I feel I would be embarrassed. Okay next is befitting. It is an adjective from circa sixteen. Twelve number one we just have the synonyms. Suitable and appropriate number. Two synonyms are proper and decent. Befitting Lee is an adverb. Next is befogged. It is a verb from sixteen. O One we have two transitive definitions. The first one just has the synonym confused. And then the second one has the synonyms fog and obscure next is Ba- fool. It's the word fool with A. B. E. at the front it is a transitive verb from the fourteenth century. One to make a fool of and then number two we have the number one definition for the word delude. I often be fool myself. All Right now. We have the last word of this episode. We are going to do to forms. The word is before B. E. F. O. R. E. and then the third form will be in the next episode. So I form. It is an adverb or an adjective from before the twelfth century number one in advance and then a synonym is ahead as in marching on before marching on before and then number two at an earlier time as in the night before also as in knew her before. And let's see. The entomology isn't terribly interesting so we're going to move onto the second form of before. It is a preposition from before the twelfth century. One a one forward of or in front of as in stood before the fire won a two in the presence of as in speaking before the conference one be under the jurisdiction or consideration of as in the case before the court one see one at the disposal of as in the great sums placed before Him One C. To in store for as in got the whole summer before you. Oh isn't that great when you're a kid when you're an adult and you have a job you don't get a summer usually unless you're a teacher or something number two preceding in time earlier than as in just before noon a- well that would be one fifty nine no eleven fifty nine. I'm so stupid number. Three in a higher or more important position than as in put quantity before quality I think I would prefer to do it the other way around and I hope you will do to. What is the word of the episode? I think we are going to pick the word that is the one called beet armyworm just because I think that's kind of a funny phrase a funny mixture of words together a right. That is it for this episode. I appreciate you joining me during this quarantine. I hope that you are all doing well. And you are staying clean and washing hands and at this point wearing masks if you go outside or go to a store especially you really should be wearing a mask. It should be prepared correctly and there should be no space between the mask in your skin. And you know it's with his life is weird right now. All right I'M GONNA end this episode. This has been Spencer dispensing information into your brain. Thank you ain't goodbye.

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Episode #30: Listener Appreciation Week - Welcome To Scat City (Part 2)

Talking Mopars

17:06 min | 6 months ago

Episode #30: Listener Appreciation Week - Welcome To Scat City (Part 2)

"Welcome TO EPISODE NUMBER THIRTY OF TALKING. Pars and episode number two for listener appreciation week. We've reached twenty thousand plus downloads and to celebrate your getting a new episode every day this entire week each episode will contain a project. Car of the day high-performance parts listeners stories and then a little segment at the very end of the show to cover some of mopus his and that little piece of history is Scott City. And if you don't know what Scott City is yet. I suggest you go back to episode number twenty nine and listen to the first episode of Listener Appreciation Week. And that will give you an introduction to Scott City because we're going back again today so without further ado if you are a Mo- panthers IUS than you are in the right place. Don't go anywhere. You're tuned into the best mope aren't driven podcast on planet earth. And I'm your host Chris. Albrecht better known as the MO- part hunter and this is talking mopeds. You're listening to talking parks with the car. Hunter your direct match into all things. Mo- park welcome back friends. This is episode number two for Listener Appreciation Week and on today's show. We are going for a little ride in the nineteen seventy dodge Super Bee with Dandy Dick Landy. But before we do that we're GONNA talk. Project car of the day high-performance parts listener stories and then were taken another trip back to Scott City before we get this show on the road. I gotTa give you guys a heads up. I am launching an online store where you can purchase talking. Mo- parts gear to help support the show. There's going to be clothing. Like t shirts tank tops. Sweatshirts hoodies and long sleeves for guys girls and the little ones too. And we're also going to have some stickers ordering products is an excellent way to show your support for the show while getting something really cool in return. I will have more details on the store on Friday's episode plus a little discount code for my listeners. But until then let's get this show on the road. Today's project car of the day is a nineteen sixty eight. Plymouth road runner that has seen better days. Let me just say that. The car was posted on the MOPE. One hundred facebook page on Saturday may twenty third at nine twenty five a m and I joked saying that this is one of those fifteen hundred dollars Mo Pars that we all WanNa find so bad and the car is completely reached. Maybe there's some light at the end of the tunnel but let's check out the ad and then assess the car nineteen sixty eight. Plymouth road runner fifteen hundred dollars. Sixty eight roadrunner body. I sell as I have the three eighty three motor automatic transmission. Seven hundred dollars. More TITLE STATUS IS CLEAN. Condition is fair. First and foremost I'M GONNA go ahead and say that for fifteen hundred bucks you better be including that three eighty three and the transmission because this car is completely hosted but there's hope so this roadrunner is reached from the front back. It actually looks like. Have you ever seen those custom paint jobs where one color fades into another? And it's like halfway down the body. That's what this looks like except for Rust on the whole front end and almost looks like the car caught. Fire one point but basically what we're looking at here folks is. Shell and not even a complete shell if you look at all the parts that you're just GonNa have to toss the Roadrunner Hood Roach. It's not even worth trying to save. The front fenders are arrested even part of the door. The one door. That's on this thing. Which is the driver's side is rusted It doesn't look like it's to cancerous but it's thick enough surface rust that it would be concerning to me. The car doesn't have a rear end. It looks like it's missing a majority of glass except for the quarter windows and the backlash and this is a postcard. Just so you know it does not have rear end. This car is sitting on the ground. No trump no passenger door. The front end is sitting with the came member on top of a tire and wheel. This car is as far gone as you could possibly get and something that you would most likely find on one of these old classic salvage yards right before it gets crushed. If that's what the are does I know. Stevens performance in Alabama does not crush cars. But some places do and this car looks like. It's just begging to be saved before it gets crushed. I mean just looking at it I can see some parts that could be salvaged but for fifteen hundred bucks. This is what I'm thinking. This car would make a great race car candidate. Why because every panel needs to be pretty much replaced. So here's what I would do. I would strip the car completely down. Get it all the way down. Senate to the blaster. See what I'm working with and I'M GONNA assume that all that's going to be left is the bare skeleton. That's with Hood Fenders Gone Front Doors. Gone the deck leads already gone and I'm assuming that the quarters are going to need a lot of work in the floors in. This thing are completely toast. So here's what I'm thinking. This would be a great race car candidate. Now hear me out. I know this is where people you know. This is where I lose ninety eight percent of you guys because you're going. He's out of his mind. But here's what I would do. I would go to a large firearms manufacturer and I would buy all the fiberglass components for this car then if I had the skills or I would have to outsource this part but I would have this thing tub and I would have the floor completely. Tend out so it'd be all aluminum and then I would have a professional cage put in and you know we're back having this thing this thing's going to be a race car with nothing but anything that can be taken off this car and replaced in fiberglass with the exception of the roof is pretty much going to get replaced. Owen the quarters so doors I would get a whole fiberglass till for an end for it and a fiberglass liftoff hood I would get a fiberglass deck lead I WOULD GET FIBERGLASS. Doors would lexcen windows. This would be my fifteen hundred dollar race car. That's what this would be and you know I would try to work on the quarters a little bit but hack while we're at MOM's chop those off tune put new quarters on this thing and just start with his show. I think that it would be hard to find And I know this car is completely toasted but I really do. Think it's hard to find you know roadrunners or anybody for that matter for less than a thousand bucks less than fifteen hundred bucks and you may get lucky and find one good on you if you find one of these cars for that cheap by it but for me. I see this car and I go. You know what it's dead yet. Nomo par left behind as I always say. I would turn this thing into a race car for engine. Who knows that would be something worth thinking about. I really liked the idea of a turbocharged gen three. But that's just me all I know is I want this thing light and with big fat tires on the back with a nice cage. Couple racing seats. You know. This is one of those cars were. You don't have to feel guilty for quote unquote butchering it into a race car. You know what I mean so for me. That's what I would do with it. You know in a lot of people were like. Oh start with something better. Hey if I'm replacing all the metal with fiberglass than I don't need anything better I just need A. I just need a skeleton and this would be a good a good candidate If they're frame rails in the backer toast good. Don't eat him anyway. We're back having this thing and as for the rest of it you know we can work with it. That's my opinion. Fifteen hundred bucks. Gets you a sixty eight road runner that you could turn into race car? That sounds like fun to me. it looks like it's still has the dashboard and so may even have the Vince. Still It does say the title Status Clean. So you're getting title with this thing assuming that that's true but he listed the conditions fair. If here's the thing what's your definition of fair buddy. A this is too fair. Gone is what we got here but in all seriousness. I think it would be a great candidate for a race car. You may think different. You may see this car and go. Hey send it to the scrapper. Scrap that thing. It's only worth it's weight and scrap but I disagree. I think this thing could be resurrected brought back and you know given track duty. That's what I think. Or MAYBE EVEN Streetcar Duty. If you did it right for me I just liked the idea of a purpose built drag car. So that's the direction I would go with this thing for fifteen hundred bucks now. I did a little preliminary research and found that you know all said and done with just the body panels alone and a couple of new quarters. You're looking at around five or six thousand and that's for having just the body panels needed to replace the ones that are gone so you know maybe we could get to sing into a body in white with all the ten work in the cage work done. Maybe we could get that all done for say less than ten thousand and then we have a bunch of money to work with the engine and you know. I think that's a good direction to go. That's my opinion I'm sticking to it that was project car of the day. No par left behind. Today's high performance. Part belongs to the Plymouth road runner in the TV show Jericho now. It appears that the cars in nineteen sixty nine. But they've definitely used more than one Plymouth B body in this show. The information I've gathered is that there's possibly three and there were no real roadrunners us. They were all clones but no real details other than that but Jericho's a TV series. That ran from two thousand six to two thousand. Eight Jericho is a post apocalyptic. Tv Show set in a fictional city called Jericho in Kansas. And it's basically what happens after a nuclear attack happens on a bunch of major cities in the United States. So there's a cool road runner in it or roadrunner clone. We'll call it a roadrunner okay. There's a cool roadrunner in check it out. It's always fun to see these cars on TV and movies because you know you're looking at your mo par guy and you can see when different cars are interchanged throughout the show or throughout the movie. So that's always fun to do. I like doing that. I like seeing a car in a movie and then you know in one scene. It gets sideswiped in the next scene. You know it has the mirror that just got knocked off crazy stuff like that. But Jericho's got a road runner in a roadrunner clone. Go check it out. That was high performance parts. Today's listeners story comes to us. From Brent. Jackson here is Brent Story. My name is Brenton. I'm fellow Mope Aryan as well. I've always been a MO- part drivers since my first vehicle. I bought and learn how to drive with that. Being a nineteen ninety nine dodge Ram fifteen hundred with the five point nine liter. V Eight throughout my ten years of driving. I've been through five different. Ram Trucks and eighty seven ninety nine four zero six and currently attend. I've only had exposure to the ram trucks until three years ago. That's when I feast in my eyes on what a renter left at my father's storage property obey that used to be full of many intakes and models of cars was empty except for one low par and that Mo- par was in nineteen seventy four dodge challenger. How I ended up finally getting the car in my name will have to be another story for another time but it has been my project car ever since three years. Later in. The car is nearly complete. I also have. Its first car show scheduled and ready to go. It'll be at the world of wheels car show here in Omaha Nebraska. Talk about starting big Anyway sorry for taking too much of your time but I appreciate what you do with your podcast. I was never into podcast listening and started with yours for the mutual appreciation for mopeds. I look forward to talking to you more. I appreciate your time. Sincerely Brent Jackson Hey Brent thanks for sending in your story sorry it took so long and for those of you out there listening Brent sent in a follow up story to the story of his nineteen seventy four challengers. So we'll be sharing that tomorrow but Brent. Thanks for sending in the story. It's nice to see that you have a e body because those are really hard to find these days for a decent price. I hope you didn't get raked over the coals on it. I hope everything went well and I hope you got a for a good deal but it seems to me like you're happy with your current Mo- part situation and that's all that counts breath. Thanks again for sending in your story and we'll get to part two tomorrow on listeners. Stories all right folks buckle up because we are heading back to Scott City and this time we're going for a ride with Dandy Dick Landy drag racing legend as he tests a nineteen seventy super. Be with a six pack. So let's hear what Dandy Dick Landy had to say about the superbeets cigar-chomping Dick Landy. As a national superstock drag racing champion driving darts and chargers holder of superstock factory national record and countless track records. Let's get one thing straight. I The nineteen seventy dodge. Super Bee was designed to provide a full size car with a lot of performance and a minimum of gingerbread to provide it with stuff that only affects performance and that's why superbeets standard engine is the Husky three hundred and eighty three cubic inch V with heads right off the big four forty magnum which has got to be the hot setup super be is truly the budget supercar for the man who wants a big car performance without spending a bundle for it the super. Bi tested had the swinging six pack setup three mind-blowing Barrel Holly carbs on. A new high-rise manifold all bolted on the four forty magnum engine. Because problems getting off the line without smoking it feather foot definitely required. The engine by the way had some extra care applied optional. Special Cams Maine's and crank it can take the hood has hinges this year. Nice when you check the oil and the scoops feed directly into the hollies if the marine like exhaust rumble doesn't tell you the engine's running the optional tax will by the way. I'm not going to give this super be six pack back to the factory. I'm buying it for my wife. She doesn't care. If it's clutch pedal pressure is a little high. She loves the optional. Full synchro four speed manual. She doesn't care. If it's clutch pedal pressure is a little high. She loves the optional. Full Synchro. Four speed manual. I told her so. And that was Dick Lands Assessment of the Nineteen Seventy Dodge Super Bee with a four forty six pack packing three hundred and thirty five horsepower. At fifty two hundred. Rpm and four hundred twenty five pound feet of Torque at thirty four hundred RPM. What a beast. And no one better than Dandy Dick Landy. Himself being the one to test drive the latest six pack. That was our tour of Scott City today tune in again tomorrow when we take another tour of Scott City with legendary drag racer Don Garlands in a nineteen seventy challenger Rt. There you have in my friends episode number. Two of listener appreciation week is in the books for more information about this podcast or to listen and subscribe to the show. Please visit talking. Mo- PARTS DOT COM and don't forget that you can send me your stories. Questions comments complaints suggestions and everything else that is on your mind to Chris. Talking Mo- PARSE DOT COM. Or you can even leave me a voice message on my voicemail box. The number is two zero nine. Twenty eight Mo par and if you share a voice message then I'll share it on the show also. Don't forget that on Friday. I'm going to be launching the talking. Mo- parts store where you can get all sorts of cool things like t shirts stickers and more will have stuff for men women and children too so if you want to help support the show and get some really cool stuff at the same time be on the lookout for the launch of the store on Friday. That's it folks until we talk again. I'm your host Chris Albrecht and that was talking. Mo- pars thank you for listening to talking parts your direct connection to all things part until next time. Remember no more par left behind.

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