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Extra: Havanas Focsa building

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05:36 min | 1 year ago

Extra: Havanas Focsa building

"Hello, and welcome to Monaco, on design, extra is the show brought to you by the team behind, Monaco, twenty four dedicated design program. I'm Daphne Kansas this week, we're off to have honor the FOX building, which arguably has some of the best views of the keyboard capital, causes and sation when it was finished in nineteen fifty-six, the design by architect, Anasta Gomez, some para with elements of Soviet era. Brutalism took almost two years to complete home to an eclectic set of tenants over the years from wealthy landowners, and Russian spies to foreign dignitaries, and academe IX, the site self is failed in mystery are Latin America fez correspondent, loosened Elliott travel to Cuba and got a chance to take a look inside his report. Keep is building that dominates have on. Skyline has one of the Caribbean islands more intriguing stories and traces the country's economic ups and downs. It was when I built in nineteen fifty six overlooking vast of Havana, the tourist residential concrete-block in the world after some Paolo Martinelli tower back, then working with concrete above eighteen floors, simply not financially viable, but the folks, the cut its acronym from the construction group tasked with building it for mental they oversee construction associated anonymous the start of the modern tool building error in kief, his capital city. Vana was on a high opulent contemporary. And everyone who was anyone was flocking to casinos clubs in coastline from Ava Gardner to Frank Sinatra with beauty parlours boutiques supermarkets swimming pool and parking for five hundred cars. The idea was to create a city within the city. So tenants, the exclusive green and white FOX would never really mean to leave the confines of its thirty nine floors originally each apartment was meant to come with its own elevator. The height of fifties luxury but funds. So the story goes ran out fairly quickly and they were never installed, all of the three hundred seventy three apartments divided into two separate wings, including seven penthouses was sold for their Seaview over the Florida Straits and proximity to their newly built American embassy in the upmarket neighborhood of data medical experts. We're even called into assess the novel, new homes concerned oscillations by. Gracious from being so high up could affect residents, but very soon after homeowners move their furniture in the keep in revolution was declared the mainly wealthy businessman of large companies, who would started to enjoy rum cocktails at the famous rooftop restaurant bar had that properties nationalized by the communist government in the nineteen sixties heaven, highlife, swiftly over. Folks, instead, earmarked to house Russian students, academics from the eastern bloc and Soviet spies, the ground-floor supermarket was famously non-cuban zoning and the new tenants. The tower and mystery and secrecy, then in the nineteen ninety s when Kibo was experiencing severe economic recession. It's so called special period. The building fell into a terrible state. The lifts painfully slow due to difficulty getting hold replacement parts brought on by trade sanctions. And when you actually got the upper floors visitors said, it looked more like a set from a dystopia in horror film, the smart set of flats the lights along the corridors were out electric wise, expose with pools of water from leaking Ruth and ghostly rose unoccupied, apartments, unsurprisingly, elect, collapse, in October two thousand killing one person, and injuring at least three news of the chronic state of the building meant it became a city priority. Repainted and then renovated the FOX continue to be used by the Castro government as temporary housing for foreign guest work in dignitaries. Only this time from Cuba's, new politically, aligned trade partner, Venezuela, a new in two thousand thirteen that allowed Cubans to own property has been partly responsible for the more recent preservation of residential properties like the FOX walking pass today. The paint work is smart and businesses below quietly thrive. The restaurant lottery on the thirty third floor is being given a major spruce up ahead of Havanas five hundred birthday celebrations this November, and you can actually spot new defeated kitchens and modern Croom fittings being installed in some of the privately owned parts. The full lifts still slow two Spanish tourists who were on their way down seem slightly nervous that they wouldn't quite make it, they'd rented an apartment on the tenth floor. Vi- Airbnb today, the FOX has a mixed group of tenants almost like x council buildings in the UK. Summa homeowners who was subletting other keyboards continued to live in the apartment. The status is set aside for them off balance between private and state somewhat. Reflective of keyboard self today. What hasn't changed is the pretty incredible view for Monaco in Havana. I'm you Cinderella. Thanks to a Latin America fez correspondent listen to Elliott. This show was produced by Karen Balaji. I'm Daphne Connie's. Thanks for listening and goodbye.

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Remembering Stan Lee / 'Seduction' In Old Hollywood

Fresh Air

49:24 min | 2 years ago

Remembering Stan Lee / 'Seduction' In Old Hollywood

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything from WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air today. A movie mogul who exemplified how Hollywood during the golden aid was an industry run by men fulfilling the desires and fantasies of men. We talk with Karina Longworth about her new book seduction sex lies and stardom in Howard uses Hollywood use often had affairs with actresses he worked with he turned. Jane Russell into a sex symbol with the nineteen forty three film, the outlaw it emphasized the size of her breasts. He advised the cinematographer how to shoot her. He basically asked him to shoot the camera directly down her shirt from an angle. So that it would be looking directly at her cleavage. Longworth host the podcast. You must remember this about early Hollywood. And we listened to an interview with STAN Lee he died yesterday. He was chief editor of marvel comics and co created Spiderman the incredible hulk the X men and Black Panther. Before I introduce my guest. I want to say that we're thinking of everyone in California who has lost family members friends homes pets in the fires. We're so sorry for what you were going through coincidentally. Are I interviewed today is about Hollywood. And about what Hollywood was like for women decades before the metoo movement during the period from the nineteen twenties until the late fifties. You may know, my guests Karina Longworth as the host of the podcast about that period. Code. You must remember this. She's written a new book called seduction sex lies and stardom in Howard uses Hollywood. She says that film producer use aim to turn male desire into a commodity more blatantly than any mainstream filmmaker of his era, he was famous for his affairs with many beautiful and famous actresses and for turning some actresses into sex symbols. He produced around twenty five films and directed to the first Hells Angels released in. One thousand thirty was about two brothers in the British Royal flying corps during World War One. But part of the appeal of the movie was the scantily clad female lead Jean Harlow his second the outlaw released in nineteen forty three was about Billy the kid, Pat Garrett and doc Holliday. But what Seoul tickets was promotion around the size of Jane Russell's breasts. Us was also an aviation tycoon famous pilot in the late nineteen forties. He acquired a controlling share of the film studio. Archaic pictures Karina Longworth welcome to fresh air. And I love your podcast. Thanks for joining us. So you in your book wanna focus not so much on Howard use oval though is allowed about Howard us. You want to focus on the women who he had a fares with or married. Why did you want the women to be the focus? So at the very beginning of this process. The very first seed of me being interested in this was that I settled across a message board. That had a posting that was something like all of the actresses Howard Hughes slept with and then just a list with no other information about any of the actresses. And that just made me feel like, you know, in each of these names, there's a whole life and a whole story and somebody thinks that it's just enough information to say that Howard Hughes conquered them sexually, but I'm interested in everything else. And so that led to me during a couple of podcast episodes called the many loves of Howard Hughes about different actresses that. He was involved with. And then the book was just an opportunity to explore these things in more depth. Was it hard to tell? Sometimes what was true. And what wasn't because he hired publicists to his image as a playboy. Oh, absolutely. But I think that that's the case with all of my research about old Hollywood is that you're constantly trying to sort out fact from the fictions that the studios on the publicists sold. You know, I think it's it's fascinating. But in old Hollywood the publicity narratives were. Consumed as kind of a parallel activity to consuming the movies there. There was very satisfying storytelling being told in the fan magazines, and in the movie press, but a lot of those stories even if they were presented as the truth were very shaped and the personas of the stars and the filmmakers and people like Howard Hughes included, at least as much fiction. As fact, so give us your list of women, you can substantiate head affairs or were married to Howard us. Wow. Well, there's a lot more than there are in the book. I chose to focus on ten women not all of whom actually had affairs with him. But the primary characters are Billie dove. Who was a silent? Actress who definitely had a relationship of several years with him Jean Harlow who people think had an affair with us. But I've found no evidence that she did Ginger Rogers who definitely did Katherine Hepburn who said that she did that seems like they had some kind of an intimate relationship. Although. There's a lot of questions about her sexuality. So not everybody believes that she and Howard Hughes actually had sex Bette Davis. Jane, Russell did not have an affair with him. She was just an actress who he had under contract. Jean Peters was married to him, Terry. Moore was definitely in a relationship with him. And she says that they were married. Ava gardner. They definitely had a relationship. Lana Turner did Rita Hayworth did. So a lot of women and you're leaving some out. When he launched the career of a beautiful actress he often projected a fantasy onto her like a sexual fantasy. Did he have a kind of image that he liked to work with with the actresses? We're you saw a certain kind of sexuality repeated over several actresses, well, definitely from the nineteen forties on he seemed to be obsessed with brunettes, and the first example, we have of this is Jane Russell and both in his personal life and in his professional life from that point on he seemed attracted to women who came from a very similar template, and it was slightly curly. Very dark hair large breasts, large lips dark eyes and chiseled cheekbones. And these women these actresses who fit that template from Jane Russell to faith Domergue to Yvonne decarlo to Jean Peters to several others. They look so similar to one another especi-. Really in their publicity photos in which they're heavily made up and lit in the same way that you can create a transparency of these actresses faces and put them on top of each other. And they look like the same woman. But if we back up just a little bit earlier, the fantasy was a blown up platinum blonde. I mean, his publicist created the expression, platinum blonde, and that was for Jean Harlow who he cast in Hells Angels is first big picture about British fighter pilots during World War One. But she's she is like the the romantic lead. So tell the story of a finding her and of the origin of like, the platinum blonde. So howard. He was spent three years making hoes angels, which was an extraordinarily long time. Just be shooting a movie during that time or really any time. What happened was that? He was a perfectionist about the aviation material, and he spent so much time shooting it and restricting it that the entire industry transitioned from silent film to sound film. While he was still making the movie so he had cast originally an actress named Greta Nissan, for whom English was not her first language, and now when they had to reshoot the film as a talkie he needed a new actress. So he searched for months and months and months, and he finally ended up finding this girl Jean Harlow because she was the ex girlfriend of one of his actors James Hall and James Hall suggested she come in for a screen test. Jean Harlow was nineteen years old. She was recently, divorced. She'd been married as as a seventeen year old, and she was somebody who was very naturally voluptuous and beautiful, but didn't consider herself sexy didn't project on her own a sexual image. But Howard Hughes really seized on her body and her looks and decided to make them front and center, not only in the movie, but even more significantly in the publicity for the movie. So there were posters made for hells. Angels that feature Jean Harlow in address that's falling off at the center of airpl-. Planes crashing into flames. So it gives you this idea that this gorgeous woman with her voluptuous breasts and milky white skin and cloud of blonde hair was bringing these fighter pilots to the death. And he was trying to be kind of like the tour of sexuality in that film. Like he helped design Jean Harlow gown. He wanted it to be kind of flimsy and really revealing. But it wasn't revealing enough. So what did he do? He took a pair of scissor cine cut it down the middle to reveal more of her buzzer reveal more of her cleavage. Yes. You said she didn't think of herself as very sexy wuss. She comfortable with the role that he cast her in and with the emphasis on her breasts and her sexuality on her body. No, she was extremely uncomfortable. And she actually felt humiliated onset, especially I mean, there was one scene where Hughes was direct. Acting her and she was wearing like negligee that wrapped around and he just kept asking her to open it wider and wider and wider and observers on the set other people working on the film, they really began to empathize with Jean Harlow because it was so clear that she felt humiliated just making this movie, and then to have it be promoted as her being this this dangerous. Bombshell was almost like a joke to her. She couldn't understand why how anybody could see her that way. But then it became such a part of her her star persona was almost the only thing people saw. So in Howard use cast young actresses like Jean Harlow. Typically, did he expect to sleep with that actress to you say that you don't Jean Harlow had any kind of intimate relationship with Howard us? But to what extent did he used his power in Hollywood as a casting couch? I think that came a little bit later certainly when he was. The owner of archaic studios. It seemed that he was getting studio contracts for women based on on a sexual relationship. They had already had or the promise of a sexual relationship to come. But in the early nineteen thirties. He was it seems that he was basically faithful to Billie dove once they got together. But that didn't last too loan. No. I mean, they're they're the dates are a little fuzzy. But it looks like they were together for about three years. So let's talk about another actress whose image he created. And that's Jane Russell and her first move. We was one of the two movies. He actually directed the outlaw. And this movie was promoted for years. He he took years and years to finish the film, and then to finally release the film, and there were problems releasing it because it violated the the Hollywood morality code of the time at should interrupt. You the? Film itself did not violate the morality code what the the censorship board pushed back against after. They had already given their seal of approval to the film itself was the publicity the thing that they push back against were. These sort of cartoon images of Jane, Russell's cleavage. But in the case of the outlaw varies eight climactic early scene in the movie in which Jane, Russell's character is raped in a barn, and like a pile of hay and sort of unfortunately to modernize she then ends up falling in love with her rapist. And that becomes the story of the film, but a lot of the publicity that Howard Hughes released featured Jane Russell either reclining sexily in. Hey or actually featured a cartoon of a man on top of her pinning her down in this rape position. No in the movie, we actually see him pin her down. And then everything else happens in the shadow. So we don't really see anything which is how it was. Able to get by the Hollywood code. But we do hear her yell. No. Yes. We do hear her asks him to stop. And he threatens her that. If she doesn't stop struggling. She won't have any dress left. Right. And then so Howard us really wants to emphasize the sexuality of all of this. She had very large breasts. But he didn't think her bra was good enough. What was the problem that Howard you use perceived in Jane Russell's bra just that you could see it through her clothes, and he wanted to create the illusion that her breasts were free underneath her blouse. So he designed what he thought was a better seamless arrow dynamic broth for her to wear and she put it on and felt ridiculous wearing it. So she ended up taking her original bra and covering it up with Kleenex. So that you can see it through her costume. And then Hughes couldn't tell the difference. He thought that she was wearing the bra that he designed for her. Oh, and. Do you know how you were saying like the ad campaign was much more salacious than the movie itself? Talk about like the sky writing of the campaign. This is. Yeah. So the the production board was used to reviewing advertising that was in newspapers and magazines and on the radio they weren't used to certain stunts that Howard Hughes invented he sent out a blimp that was instead of being sort of the usual like Fallas shape of a blimp. It was much rounder. It was more of a circle at looked more like a breast, and then he also sent out a sky rider to draw the outlaw in the sky and then two circles with dots in the middle which were clearly meant to evoke, Jane Russell's breasts. Jane, Russell from how you describe it really hated the image. That was being created of her. I mean, she posed for still photographs advertises movie for years because took so long for the movie to be made in for Howard used to decide to actually release it. And she was she was Christian, and she she didn't like this image. And I just find it really fascinating that a man Howard us forces her into this highly sexualize image, which then becomes not only a lustful image for for men in the audience. But I think for a lot of women they think, well, this is what is sexy female looks like I should try to look that way too. Because women have always wanted to look like the movie stars. They see. And so you get this like weird feedback loop with women trying to emulate women who didn't want to be the woman they were portraying. Yeah. I think the way that Hughes specifically used Jane Russell sexuality made her feel uncomfortable. It wasn't presenting sexual image itself because her one of her favorite movies that she made was gentlemen, prefer blondes. And she said that in that film. She was playing herself and the her character and gentlemen, prefer blondes is it's kind of a man eater. But she has this song, which I write about in the in gentlemen, prefer blondes called isn't anyone here for love in which her own body is very covered up, and she's dancing and singing amongst these male dancers who are all shirtless and wearing nude colored shorts. So they look like they're naked. So she enjoyed being the owner of the gays more than she enjoyed being gazed at. So I think that's an important distinction will the gays in that scene is probably from gay men because that seems kind of famous on all these like young attractive. Nearly naked men like jumping into the pool. Right. And I do think that she. Was very aware of this kind of camp aspect to her persona. And she was fine with that what she wasn't fine with with some of the things that he was asked her to do very early in her career. He had a photographer. Take pictures of her jumping up and down on a bed while wearing a nightgown. You know, he had OCD at least later in life. We know he had OCD even though it wasn't diagnosed then because I don't think the head the terminology. I don't think was a diagnosis then. But do you think his the number of affairs? He had over the years was in a way an expression of his obsessive compulsive disorder. You know, I guess I don't know enough about obsessive compulsive disorder to be able to speak to that confidently. But what I will say is that I think that's something that has been maybe overlooked in past writing about Howard Hughes is just the sheer number of head injuries. He had overtime. He got an into a lot of plane crashes and a lot of car accidents, and he hit his head a lot. And so you really see his behavior is starting to become more shall we say unconventional after his major plane crash in nineteen forty six in which he should have died. And I just feel like knowing what we know now about concussions and head injuries. And how that impacts the brain. I think that it can maybe help us understand some of his Radic behavior. You I have to say reading your book, I was happy. I was not an actress in in the thirties or forties or fifties. During the studio system. It sounds like I don't know how much you can generalize about what actresses. When through during that period, but these actresses seem to at least during part of their lives have careers that were out of their control and their sexuality was controlled by how men including Howard us one to to have these women perceived. Absolutely. And I mean, I think that was just part of what the studio system was all about one of the ways it functioned as an economy had to do with taking stars who had no power and keeping them under contract and paying them basically just enough to keep them on contract. There's a quote from Ava Gardner in the book where she talks about how the average contract starlet because she was forced to always look good always be wearing new clothes and have her hair done and all of that they'd get to the end of the month. And they'd realize that they needed to kind of find a sugar daddy to help them out just to continue to survive to the next month. One of Howard uses problems that had a big effect on his personality and his life was he was a germaphobe. And it's interesting to me that he engaged in so much sexual activity with so many different women while being germophobic which isn't to say oh like women carry germs, but there's so many sexually transmitted diseases. And even then like in the euro before HIV, I mean, you know, syphilis was a pretty big deal. And and there there is some speculation that Hughes might have contracted syphilis at some point. I haven't seen any documentation that makes me think that that was definitely true. But it it is certainly something that people talk about in some books about him. I guess germaphobe has its own logic. Like, you write that even though he was this like full-blown germophobic. There was a period of his life. When he was just a miss. You know, physically he was on. He was unclean. He wasn't taking care of himself. But that didn't figure into his own personal hygiene didn't figure into his larger germanophobia, right? I mean, I think that a lot of his germaphobe oh was tied to a kind of xenophobia. He was afraid of of outsiders, and he could be in a contained space, and he could be as dirty as he felt he needed to be within that space, but he didn't want anybody. Introducing any outside germs into that space. You tell a horrifying story horrifyingly racist story in the book where there's a period where he screening movies in a screening room and finds out it had just been used for a screening party for the cast of Porgy and Bess and he doesn't wanna ever go in that room again. Yeah. And that was at Goldwyn studios, which had been a studio lot where he had held an office for I think at that point over thirty years, and he never set foot on that studio lot again. Was he typically that racist in real life? Yes, I believe. So there's quite a bit of documentation of him not wanting to have black people around him not wanting to have them working for his company. He personally traced it back to an incident when he was a child, and there was a race riot in Houston where he grew up and he developed what seems to have been a mortal fear of black people after that. But I mean, it was a lifelong racism, my guess is Karina Longworth author of the new book seduction sex lies and stardom and Howard uses Hollywood she hosts the podcast, you must remember this. We'll talk more after a break and will listen back to my nineteen Ninety-one interview with Stanley he died yesterday. He co created marvel superhero characters like spider man, the x men and Black Panther. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Goldman. Tax for insights from leading thinkers on the state of markets industries in the global economy listened to their podcast exchanges at Goldman Sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety of topics with far reaching implications from venture capital fuelling innovation to the global shift toward renewable energy that's exchanges at Goldman Sachs. Available on I tunes Spotify, Stitcher, soundcloud and Google play and GS dot com slash podcast. Let's get back to my interview with Karina Longworth who hosts the podcast you must. Remember this about Hollywood's first century her new book seduction is about movie mogul Howard us who was famous for his affairs with many beautiful and famous actresses and turning some of them into sex symbols. So Howard us was part of the blacklisting. I mean, he tried to purge his studio or KO from anybody. Who might have, you know, communist sympathies? Yes, he was one of them. Fervent anti communists in Hollywood. During the blacklist era, you know, he had this image of himself as being one of the great capitalists. So on some sense. It's just binary capitalism. Cannot coexist with communism. But I also think that there was this thing where he he really thought of communists as an infestation in Hollywood. And then the other side of that is that the studio Arcadio was not doing well at the time. And there may have been a part of him that just needed to kind of shut down production and create a distraction. So some people think including Paul Jericho who was engaged in a lawsuit with at the time. Paul Jericho was a screenwriter who Hughes fired from our K O after Jericho refused to speak to the house on American activities committee. Paul Jericho believed that Hughes had shut down our KO as a publicity stunt to distract away. From the fact that archaic was movies weren't doing. Well, so in the late nineteen forties. How would use buys Arcadio? So how did he do as an actual studio head? So most people think that he basically destroyed our KO studios when he bought it. It was profitable. And then when he ended up divesting it in the mid nineteen fifties. It was a shell of what it had formerly been throughout the time when he owned it and operated, it he had a really hard time producing and releasing enough movies to maintain a prophet, and this has to do with his personal perfectionism. He would send a movie into production. And then he would fire director after director. He would be unhappy with the dailies he would make casting changes. And then sometimes movies would be finished. And they would just sit on a shelf for months or even years because he wasn't sure what to call the film like he would change the title over and over again or he would wait for inspiration to strike him in terms of marketing, and he ended up being sued by a lot of the shareholders for ARCO because they felt that he was just pilfering away their money. And in two specific lawsuits he was accused of using the studio as kind of a shell corporation. So that he could just basically meet women and pay them off one of the one of the the lawsuits specifically cited Jane Russell as a waste of assets. And another one named for actresses who had been under contract to Keio, but who had never actually filmed a film for the studio, you suggest, and I think a lot of people suggest this that a lot of his problems came from those plane crashes that they could have affected him mentally as well as physically and also led to a dependence on drugs like codeine. Yes. So what are some of the problems? He had both as as a filmmaker and just as a person and in his relationships that you think might be traced back to the plane crashes. Well, both the acquisition of our KO and the mismanagement of that studio and some of this compulsive starlet juggling that we've talked about these things. Like accelerate after the nineteen Forty-six crash all of the archaic stuff happens after the nineteen Forty-six crash. But also after that point, it's when he's involved with many women at one time and seems to be pathologically juggling them. He seems to be getting his excitement out of having multiple women who he's telling all kinds of lies to rather than actually getting sexual excitement. Yeah. You describe him living liking the Beverly Hills hotel because he could have different women in different bungalows. And they wouldn't know that the others were there while the women were unaware of the other women, so he'd have in the central location all these different women for him to choose from. Right. And then he would be telling them all elaborate lies when he couldn't be with them. Or when he would choose to be with another woman. He would be like I'm in New York, but I'm gonna fly in tomorrow. And meanwhile, he would be in the next bungalow just on the phone with them. You started a series on the many loves of Howard us before the metoo movement. And your book is being published after the metoo movement has gotten going to the metoo movement change, the context of what you were writing in any way. Like, did you see what you were in covering any differently? Or did it take on, you know, new meaning for you? It really didn't at all the book is what I plan to write in two thousand fifteen when I I sold it the thing that has changed the world that it's being released into. And so I, you know, I think it's good that people seem more interested in more receptive into having these conversations now than they did three years ago. Somebody who studies the golden age of Hollywood so to speak. What was your reaction when the when when women started coming forward talking about Harvey Weinstein talking about other people in Hollywood who had tried to control them sexually? I think the conversation at self is. Evolutionary the thing that I've come to understand from studying the twentieth century of Hollywood is that these things have always happened. And they were never talked about publicly. They were things that women were meant to believe that they had to accept as a trade off in order to get the benefits of stardom or working in the industry, and that if they weren't receptive to that trade off they could go find another job. So just the fact that we're having a conversation is completely revolutionary the language has changed too. I mean like you wouldn't use the word playboy and ladies men anymore. But that's so new pain. It's we have only really stopped using terms like playboy, I think in the past couple of years. Me too movement. Like you. I don't think you use that word right now. Yeah. I mean, when I first started writing the proposal for this book, I think that there was more of an appetite for a book that took a playboy seriously at face value. And and thought that that was something to kind of cheer on and a reason to be excited about Howard Hughes. And I was always interested in telling the story from the other perspective of always interested in telling the story of what it would feel like to be a woman who has just on that list of conquests. So the first time I heard your podcast, you must remember this. I didn't know what to expect. I heard it was great. And if you leveled Hollywood's a great podcast, and I I love old Hollywood's I figured I should try it out, and you were basically like reading an extended essay. And I thought like when does the interviews start? And I realize no there's going to be an interview is this is this going to be Carina just like reading, you know, her very well researched essays. Which is very lively written. And that's that's what it is. And so it really goes against what like good production values are supposed to be with lots of different elements woven around them. But, you know, like, those of us who love the podcast like we we want to hear you tell the story of what happened to the actors and actresses directors and movies. So what made you think you could do a podcast with you just like reading what you've written? Well, maybe it's because I don't come from radio. So I didn't know what the rules were. I didn't know that. I was breaking the rules. I started the podcast in two thousand fourteen I had quit my film criticism job. I had a part time teaching job. But I I wasn't really sure what I was going to do with my career. All I knew is that I really did want to refocus and be talking about old movies rather than new movies. And so I just kind of created the podcast as kind of a proof of concept to show that I could do this research, and that maybe there was unexpected or unusual ways. As of disseminating my research on my writing, and then it kind of took on a life of its own. So yeah, I didn't I didn't know that I was violating the rules of good production. I just kind of heard it in my head. And then I made it. Green along. Thank you so much for talking with us and for your book and your podcast. Thank you so much Terry Karina Longworth host the podcast. You must remember this about the secret and forgotten histories of Hollywood's for century, her new book is called seduction sex lies and stardom in Howard uses Hollywood after we take a short break will listen back to my nineteen Ninety-one interview with skin Lee co-creator of Spiderman Black Panther, the incredible hulk and other marvel comics superheroes. He died yesterday. The age of ninety five this is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor, WalMart, Naba Banerjee leads the product search team for WalMart dot com for Naba deciphering whatta customer actually wants from few words in a search bar. Requires some help from a sheen learning humans coming on shapes and sizes similarly their credit coming on shapes and sizes, and so we love to Jacobin aficionado inning, and humans to show their desires that are most meaningful to them. As fast as possible. To learn more about machine learning in the future of tech at WalMart. Visit WalMart today dot com slash machines. This season of the story core podcast from NPR is all about reunions. And on this week's veteran's day episode friendships forged on the battlefield and the road to reconnecting decades later episodes are available every Tuesday, We're going to listen back to an interview with Stanley. He died yesterday at the age of ninety five. He co created Spiderman the fantastic four the incredible hulk the X men, Black Panther and other marvel comics characters over the years he worked as Marvel's head writer, art director and publisher when I spoke with him in nineteen Ninety-one. He was overseeing the adaptation of marvel characters into films and TV shows, and he had just written the introduction to an illustrated history of marvel comics, he told me how we came up with one of his most famous superheroes. Spiderman before I came up with. The name Spiderman I decided I wanted a superhero who could crawl on walls stick to the ceiling and so forth. And I said, gee, that's a real insect power. What will I call them? And my first thought was insect, man. And that just didn't do it for me at all. And then I thought well, let's see this mosquito man that really had no appeal, and I wouldn't down a whole list, and when I got to spider man, I mean, it was like a bell rang light went off above my head. Spiderman was it. And when I put the amazing in front of it. I knew we were home free. What what makes a superhero a Stanley superhero? What are some of the qualities? Well, it has to be magnificently written. The creation has to be a work of genius. But to be serious, and the one thing that I've tried to do is give them the most human and realistic qualities possible. Now, it may sound like. A contradiction in terms because superheroes are fantasy characters with superpowers that no human being possesses. And yet I try to be realistic about it. But the the basic idea is. You take one fantastic element like well with a hope like somebody who got the strength of fifty men and green skin, and then you say suppose such a character really existed. What would his life be like in the real world? Where would he live? What would he wear who? Would he relate to and so forth and having asked the reader to suspend disbelief in the area of the characters superpower, you then try to make everything else as realistic as you can. And then the other thing that we try for very much as Umer now, I guess before marvel comic started. There wasn't too much humor in superhero adventures. But for instance, with spider man, I tried again to inject the humor in such a way that it was realistic. For example. There was a time when he. He had received a check as a reward for something he had done, and he was so happy to have this money. This check made out despite a man anyone to a Bank to cash it in his fight a man costume and the teller behind the counter said, well, I can't cash this check I need identification. And he's saying I'm wearing a spider man costume. He said anybody could wear a spider man costume. I, you know, why are you? And he said, I've got a secret identity. I can't tell people who I am. Anyway, this went from bad to worse. And he was never he was never able to cash the check. Now to me, the interesting thing about that was I really wasn't trying to be funny so much as I was trying to be realistic because what would happen if a guy in a spider man suit had to check that he tried to cash head of the superheroes. That you created compare to the kinds of heroes and comics when you started working at marvel back when you were a teenager. Well, when I started. Working for the COMEX all the heroes were really cut out of the same mold. They were toll and handsome, and strong and noble, and as far as the dialogue went I felt insufferably dough like an example of the type of writing thought was real doll. Okay. I want you to imagine something I want you to imagine that you're walking down the street, and you see a Munster coming toward you. And this Munster is twelve feet tall with purple skin forearms, a tail and he's breathing fire, and he's got two heads. And if in those days if superman or Batman or one of our own characters kept in America, or anybody any typical superhero had seen this Munster walking down the street in one of the stories. I think the dialog would have gone something like this. Oh, a creature from another world. I'd bet a capture him before. He destroys the city. Well, I would like to feel that in one of our comic books one of our heroes such as spider man might say. Who's the nut Mahala ween costume? I I wonder what he's advertising. It was just that shade of difference. I tried to do dialogue that represented the way real flesh and blood three dimensional people would talk and would react to things and it came across as satire, but I wasn't trying to write humor. I was trying to be realistic. So I must be funnier than I thought. What about deciding on the alliterative sounds that you would use? When somebody got got hit. Oh, I loved sounds. And again, I think what it is. I've always hated cliches m. As as you can imagine formally in the comics, if somebody was hit, or if there was a sound effect of of a loud noise, the sound effect would be Powell or bamn or sock or bop. Something of that sort. So I tried to make up crazy sound effects that would at least be original. I would have PFC's E A K T, which I cannot pronounce that might be the sound of a bullet going through a wall or something. I one of my all time favorite sound effects was between them, and it was spelled B T K O M with three os. And then I put a little asterik at the end of the word with a note on the bottom of the panel saying the third, oh, of course, is silent. So I had fun with the sound effects as far as the alliterative names. Most of our characters had alliterative names. I there was Peter Parker and Bruce banner and read Richards. And I had a very am pragmatic reason for doing that. I have a terrible memory always did. And it was difficult for me to remember the names of my characters. But by having the same first letter for a care, if I could remember the Peter it gave me a clue that the la- the last name also began with p and I would eventually remember it was Parker. You see? So it made it easier for me to remember the names by giving them the same first letter. What was the comic book code like when you started working? Well, it wasn't there. When I started working, but when we begin to have some pressures from certain groups, we instance instituted. A code that was similar to the motion picture code at that time. And it was what you'd expect him. There. Couldn't be too much untoward sex the female characters had to be pretty covered up. Just just what you'd expect that mustn't be any blood shown in. If there were any violent battle scenes, nobody can have a hejab to offer, you know, the the usual things we're listening back to my nineteen Ninety-one interview with STAN Lee of marvel comics he died yesterday at the age of ninety five we'll hear more of the interview after a break, this is fresh air support for this NPR podcast and the following message come from little passports, the award winning subscription service that brings a world of discovery to your front door every month with the early explorers subscription each month package arrives full of activities like uncovering fossils from around the world fund souvenirs like ancient Greek coins in hands on games. Like coloring, the cosmos all curated for their curious minds. Learn about our holiday offers at little passports dot com slash fresh. About boiling with the also considered podcast fifty years ago. The beatles. Made a mind boggling double album here the white album as you never heard of before from demo tapes. Two brand new mixes. This week on all songs considered. Let's get back to my nineteen ninety one interview with Stanley. He died yesterday at the age of ninety five he co created spider man, the fantastic four the incredible hulk Black Panther and other marvel comics characters he had been Marvel's head writer, art director and publisher. I'm sure you've been asked this before. But white superhero so often we're tight, I don't know. I think it is simply precedent. It started out that way the first books, and I wasn't around at that time had them that way. And the funny thing is when when I did our first superhero book the fantastic four in an effort to avoid the cliche. I told the artist I don't want costumes on these guys. I just want him to wear clothes. So they didn't have skin tight costumes. We sent the book out. It was published. We received a lot of fan mail. The kids said they loved it. We knew we had a winner. And we were on our way now. But every virtually every letter said, we think it's the greatest book will buy it forever. We love it turn out more. But if you don't give them colorful, costumes, we won't buy the next issue. And I do not know I think you'd have to be a psychologist or a sociologist or something and do an intensive study. But there for some reason unless these characters are garbed in some sort of outlandish outfit, the readers don't seem to accept the even the Hoke. I had no great reason for giving them green skin, except I knew if he had normal college skin. We probably wouldn't sell as many books that has to be something colorful about the way they look visually. You colorful dresser yourself on the most conservative guy illiteracy, I wear jeans a lot. But I don't know. That's very colorful. What about physically do you have? Special physical strengths. Incredibly our right? You've got the shoulders and bulging. Kinda tall and skinny, and I mean, nobody would ever mistake me for Arnold Schwarzenegger back to what you were saying before that you you couldn't create a character without a colorful costume because the readers the rediscovered they'd never read it. Right. I could create it. But it's just I don't we would have sold. Right. Right. Well, no with women superheroes. I bet. The equivalent is no matter how wonderful the character. You have to give her a large bosom or else, they won't buy it. Well, I guess you're right. But I I don't know that it's anything sexist as much as symbolic, for example, you'll find that most of the heroes as I say, they have broad shoulders and big biceps, and yeah, they're all sort of Schwarzenegger's and most of the women Marilyn Monroe's. And I think it's just that the artists tried to draw idealized men and women, and I guess, that's the way most people idealize people what you've been doing for for years now at marvel is overseeing the adaptation of marvel characters into television and film storms. So. So so do you initiate these things or do people come to you? And and and well, it makes you offers it works both ways. And I've been out on the coast long enough now that I know most of the so-called power players in the movie and television business, and it's taken a while to get started. But right now, I think you're going to be seeing a lot of marvel product on the screen or a lot of our characters. Now, for example, Jim Cameron who did the Terminator Terminator two is about to do a about to write direct and produce a very big movie of Spiderman, and I'm incredibly excited about that. I think he's the best possible person to do this movie. And I think it's going to be an absolute blockbuster. So how do you like being spider-man's agent it instead of spider man's creative? Oh, I I enjoy doing what I'm doing. I moved out to Los Angeles about ten years ago to set up a marvel animation studio now work there for a few years to get that going and then little by little I got into motion, pictures and television, and it's very exciting to to be in a new field at a time. When a lot of guys are starting to think about retiring, and I've got this whole world opening up in front of me. And I'm still able to keep in touch and keep my finger in on the comic book. So I figure I'm about the luckiest guy around. I really love what I'm doing. And each day seems to be more exciting the day before so Stanley may be win less than you can clear up for me before we have to say goodbye your birth. Name is Stanley Lieberman. No Lieber daily. I was born Stanley Martin Lieber, which is a very, I think lovely normal name. And as I said, I. I wanted to write the great American novel. And when I got working in a comic book company, and I'm not gonna use my name for these silly comics. So I, you know, I was seventeen when you seventeen you don't know that much. I thought I need a pen name, and I made up the name Stanley. And I started using it. And what happened was everybody as the years went by started to know me as Stanley. Nobody knew me anymore Stanley Lieber. So I would go to buy something and tell him that charge it and they wanted to see my dentist is he charged into Stanley. But I had to show my driver's license, which said Stanley Lieber, and it got so complicated. That I finally legally changed my name to Stanley which was a dumb thing to do because Stanley is such a stupid name and people always say to me Stanley what? So I'm thinking of changing my name now to Stanley what? So when they say that I can say, that's right. So is is Stanley short for skin Lee or short for veep. Lieber? I don't know. I don't know. Really? I can't remember whether I cut Stanley into two names, or whether I figured stand from Stanley and Lee from Lieber, I don't remember what the thinking was. But I figured Stanley sounds right for comic books will certainly work as it. I it hasn't hurt really Stanley. Thank you so much for talking with us. Oh, it's been a real pleasure, Terry. Thank you for having me. My interview with Stanley was recorded in nineteen Ninety-one. He died yesterday at the age of ninety five tomorrow on fresh air. My guest will be sandy ten. The director of a new documentary called shirkers about being conned by her own mentor. A man twice her age. Also, we'll hear from Steve Young of the Walking Dead and sorry to bother you. He stars in the new film burning a hoop? He'll join us. Fresh Air's executive producer is getting Miller. Our interviews and reviews produced an edited by any salad Phyllis Myers. Sam brigger, Lauren. Crendall Heidi Simone, Theresa met and lose eighty Challenor and said Kelly, I'm Terry gross.

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The Bee's Sting

Stories Podcast

13:16 min | 8 months ago

The Bee's Sting

"Hello welcome to stories podcast. I'm your host Amanda Walden. Today's story is called the bees sting. An adaptation of an ace ops fable by Daniel Hynes. Today we'd like to say a special. Thank you to Julian and Ava Gardner and their family and White Lake New York Redan and his family in Mumbai India Jackson and his family from Chicago. Illinois Noah and Joanna O'Keefe and their family in Australia and Maya and Johnny and their family in the Philippines. Thank you so much donny. Maya Joanna Noah Daxon Redan Eva and Julian. You are part of what makes it possible for us to continue to produce fun news stories for our listeners if you would like to support stories podcast and get every episode. Ad Free Head over to patriots dot com slash stories. And join for just one dollar a month if you'd like access to all of our e books or to receive a thank you in a future episode. That's also available at patriotic dot com slash stories. Now here's a word from our sponsors. Thanks enjoy the episode. The bees sting once upon a time a long time ago. A hive of bees was busy with the business of honey. Some were making it in sticky. Little gobs some were feeding the queen and the babies and some others were out collecting the pollen and nectar. They needed. Billy had a different job. He was supposed to guard the honey. Unfortunately this was before bees had singers so he had an awfully tricky time of it. Please don't take the honey. He'd say to the Beetle. Who would trundle across the hive and scoop up a few mouthfuls share and share alike? That's what I always say. The beetle would reply unfazed really you have to stop. Billy would say to the skunk who would sneak in her long greedy tongue. Just a few legs you can spare it. The skunk would. We'd go back. Oh please stop. He'd Shriek at the bear. Who would shake the whole hive and merely break it apart? Scooping out globs of honey with his big hairy pause delicious Bos Bos Bos little friends the bare wood rumble back pleasantly on and on this went until there was barely enough honey left for the bees to feed themselves. They started to get hungry and many of them started to blame. Billy and the other guards. It's not fair. Said Billy where so small. How are we supposed to stop even a big beetle never mind the skunk never mind a bear? Well you better figure something out grumbled. The hungry others dismayed and lost. Billy buzzed out of the HIVE. One night he landed on a lolling leaf and side into the moonlight. It's not fair. He said we guards do our best. But we're just little honeybees. If only I had a way to protect the hive. The wind swirled around the little. Be and soon. He heard a voice blowing past his fuzzy antenna. Little BE LITTLE BE SAID. Russell of flowers and grass. Who's there billy said looking around the darkness? It's me mother. Nature said the voice. Your ride about it not being fair. I should have realized that others would be after your honey. So you'll help me. Billy asked I will said Mother Nature. I'll give you a stinger sharp as you could like if anyone tries to steal your honey you give a Mustang and that will have them thinking twice. Billy thanked her over and over and flew back to the hive to tell the other guards the next morning when they woke up they all had Stinger at the end of their abdomens. This is great said Billy and the others all agreed we can finally protect the honey. Protect the honey. The guard bees cried together that day. A beadle CAIN trundling up. Please leave the honey alone. Billy said share and share alike little be the Beatles said and went to steal some honey like usual. Billy readied his new Stinger last warning out of my way wise guy. Billy could tell that the beetle wasn't going to back down so to protect his hives honey. He flew over and gave him a sting yelped the beetle. I'm Outta here. The guard bees all celebrated together their first honey defense. The Queen would be so proud later that day. The skunk happened by. She crept up close and got her long tongue. Ready to steal something sweet. Hey don't take our honey. Billy said a little more confident now just a little league said the skunk. You won't even miss it. Well Billy was out of patience and didn't even bother asking twice. He grabbed some other guard. Bees and together they dove down and stung the skunk. They got her on the nose and on the ears and she was soon yelping. Oh Oh oh hey. Hey she said shaking her head. This stinks worse than me. Forget it and the skunk ran off leaving the guard vs to celebrate again a little later as the afternoon sun was warming them into a happy. Sleepy Stupor. A bear came sniffling about this time. The bees didn't even wait for the bear to ask when he got to close. All the guards came out at once led by brave. Billy protect the honey. He cried protect the high. They flooded over the bear and stung him all over his shaggy face and neck. He roared and swung his mighty pause but the bees were everywhere and they were too small to Swat. Never mind the honey. He said rolling in the grass. Oh my buzz friends. He turned and ran into the woods. Leaving the hive alone. The guard bees all celebrated and that night all the other bees joined their celebration to not a single drop of honey had been stolen the next day. The Guard B.'S. Got Together again and billy had an exciting new idea instead of waiting for them to come to us. He said this time. We'll take the fight to them. What do you mean asked another guard? Well we had to tell the beetle twice. The skunk in bear tried to. Let's go sting them now before they even get close. The other BS cheered. The idea and soon a whole cloud of guards was floating across the grassy forest floor first. They found the Betel chewing a little leaf. They stung him before he even knew what was happening. Hey what gives? That's what you get for thinking about our honey. I was thinking about my pincers. A likely story said and on they flew soon. They found the skunk digging through some flowers for their tender roots. The cloud darkened the sky and then landed on the skunk stinging her left right and center. She sprayed her stink but the bees weren't deterred. Oh stop it. She said running back to her. Borough this seriously stings. And don't think about our honey again. Said Billy and on they flew next they found the bear lazily drinking from the river he heard the buzzing approach and looked up waving shaggy. Pas. Oh it's my buzzy friends. He said Hello Friends. Wait Oh what are you doing the stings? He panicked and lumbered into the water. Where Billy and the other guard? Bees were forced to let him swim away. That's right billy called after him and never come for our honey again that night. They celebrated another successful day protecting the hive. There was singing and dancing and buzzing of all kinds the next morning billy and the guard. Bees went out stinging everyone again and again and again all before they could even come close to the hive. This went on for a couple of weeks until one day. Billy found himself swept aside by the wind. It tumbled him tail over wings and sent him spinning away from the other guards. Hey whoa he cried. As the invisible stream of air dragged him through the forest and then dumped him in the middle of a grassy clearing. He looked up and saw. He wasn't alone around him. Were the beetle the skunk and the bear. Oh hey there. He said a little sheepishly. Billy be came the Wind Russell Voice of Mother Nature. These animals say you've been stinging them to protect the honey. He said to protect the Queen. She needs to eat true enough. But they say you've been stinging them even when they aren't after honey I was taking a walk said the beetle I brushing my tail said the skunk. I was waving her. Low said the bear. Is this true asked? Mother Nature. Billy buzzed on comfortably. Well they'd come for the honey in the past. We figured you know better to stink first before they got close. The Wind of Mother Nature Gusted through the clearing and the B. Had to buzz to stay in place. You've turned into a bully. She said her voice and angry. Gail I gave you the power to protect yourself and you use it to attack your fellow creatures. I'm sorry I won't do it again. That's right you won't said Mother Nature from now on. You can only sting once after that you'll lose your Stinger so don't waste it. There was a howl of wind. A world of leaves a patter of rain and a crack of Thunder. Billy was swept off in a whirlwind. Spiraling up and down and around and around the grass was the sky and the ground was blue and just when he thought he might lose his honey. He was back at the hive gasping for breath. Don't forget came. The Voice of Mother Nature on the fading Maelstrom. I won't Billy said back. His little voice swept up in the breeze. And that's how. Billy and the bees learned that hurting others was a serious business and to this day honeybees will only sting if your threatening them because when a honeybee stings it stings them to the end. Today's story the bees sting was an adaptation of an ace ops fable written for you by Daniel Hynes and perform for you. Buy Me Amanda Walden. If you would like to support stories podcast you can leave us. A five star review on I tunes get ad free episodes and more at Patriotair Dot com slash stories. Check out all of our MERCH available at Stories. Podcast DOT com slash shop or simply. Tell your friends about us. Thanks for listening.

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08 - The New Years Special - "Of All The Gin Joints" with Mark Bailey.

Hollywood Unscripted

35:45 min | 1 year ago

08 - The New Years Special - "Of All The Gin Joints" with Mark Bailey.

"From media Welcome to Hollywood unscripted. I'm your host. Got To Lalla the Malibu Film Society. It's our New Year's Eve episode and for that we have a very special special guest. He's produced and written more than a dozen feature length documentaries which have collectively won one primetime emmy and been nominated for four others plus one academy award. He's he's also written three books. One of which seems like the ideal selection to talk about on New Year's eve of all the GIN joints stumbling through Hollywood history. Mark Bailey. Welcome welcome to Hollywood unscripted. Thank Scott thanks for having me. Let's talk about the book. What inspired you to write of all the GIN joints? This is sort of a follow up to an initial book. DOC which was a book about hard-drinking writers and that I did as I did this with my partner at Hemingway who's an illustrator and the name is not a coincidence. He is the youngest grandson of Ernest. He is I think that the first idea for the book came from him and was born out of that sort of family circumstance. He had this idea about his grandfather end. Father and writing about well known highly regarded hard-drinking writers that was called Hemingway in Bailey's bartending guide to great American writers. It was a great book to to work on. It had a lot of cocktail recipes and they were sort of from the classic era and these writers were Eugene. O'Neill and William Faulkner Scott Fitzgerald and the stories were wild in cast back to a different era where there was a different social norm Anna Different Code of behaviour and we tend to look back and think that the pass was somehow more innocent or pure but it was really anything but that in so then that book came out and did pretty well and we were looking to follow up with another book walk in. We thought well you know how about Hollywood and it happened that after we sold that book I moved out here and wrote the book out here and he illustrated at back in New York uh-huh and we sort of worked together across the country so that was how the book came to be and it follows the same format. I mean. It's a delightful mix of these incredible stories and cocktail recipes recipes. The first book was a little bit more of a bartending guide. In this the subtitle is stumbling through Hollywood history and I like to think of it as sort of social film film history through the bottom of a whiskey glass. That's great description. It really seems like that of the writing is tremendous I absolutely love your storytelling. Oh thank you. We'll come back to the questions in a minute but one of the stories with us. Sure I think that I'll kick it off with a story about Humphrey bogart since it's the Humphrey Bogart line. That is the title title of the Book of all the GIN joints and the way. The book is designed and built around anecdotes. Rabat different stars so this is about. I'm free Bogart in. It always leads off with a quote. The bogart guard quote is the whole world is about three drinks behind me. The other bogart quote that I really like and it was a bit of a toss up. We're BOGART's last words. which were supposedly? I should never never have switched from Scotch to Martinis so if you're thinking of doing that this new years. I don't know bogart would argue. Otherwise so here's a story about Humphrey Bogart. It wasn't a joke but it damn well should have been certainly began like one so Humphrey bogart walks into to a bar with two stuffed. Panda Bogart was by then in September. Nineteen forty nine the biggest movie star in the world and he was out in New York with an old drinking buddy named L. Semen they'd been carousing since early. The two of them in bogies wife Lauren. Bacall but she'd gone back to the hotel hours ago. After Mrs Bogart left the men found themselves themselves in need of a standard that might scare off would be home records and drunk. Somehow it emerged that a nearby delicatessen sold a historically random nonfood item as delicatessens have a way of doing stuffed pandas. Not just any stuffed pandas. Mind you each of these weighed in at more than twenty pounds in set you back twenty five bucks a pop perfect bogart. Semen bought a couple of pandas and hopped a cab to Morocco. Were they requested a table for four two seats for them to for their there date seated in that was supposed to be the end of it. Getting seated with two panda's unfortunately for Bogart the real end would take four days to arrive in. It wouldn't be over for drinks with his friends. It'd be in court. Here's the thing. Bogert was a gregarious man with a keen sense of humor but he was only comfortable among friends and his social circle. Go with tight knit. The rat pack later so closely associated with Frank Sinatra was in fact bogart's creation with Bogart at the center. The mission of the group Bogart said Ed was quote. The relief of boredom in the perpetuation of independent bacall was a member of course so Sinatra. Judy Garland Spencer Tracy talent. Alan pagent Irving Lazar. There were all part of the original RATPAC. You might see them out at Romanoff's or on rare occasions in Las Vegas drinking and carrying on but if you weren't part of the pack you're an outsider and you weren't welcome which brings us back to the Pandit if you were to spy Bogart at a nightclub. In the wee hours of the morning propping up an oversized stuffed animal. You might think that it was a not so subtle message about the company he preferred to keep in. If you knew anything about bogert which you might since he was more or less the biggest star in the world. You wouldn't consider yourself in on the joke. But a young model name Robin Roberts thought she was special as young models often do she approached Bogart's table on our way out out laughed and picked up one of the panels in Bogart. Given the number of drinks he had put away by. This point happened to be feeling very protective of this panda. So he naturally pulled the panda close to him and told me his Roberts to leave him alone for he was a married man and then the woman fell over. She said he shoved her. He said she lost her balance. Four days later he was is in a Manhattan courtroom facing legal action. The panda fiasco immediately hit the tabloids with Bogart protesting his innocence. Every step of the way one reporter asked OPTIMA feet struck Ms Roberts. He said he would never hit a woman there too. Dangerous another reporter asked if he was drunk at the time of the incident he replied. Isn't everyone at four. AM fortunately for Bogart. Judge presiding over the case founded as ridiculous as heated. Throwing it out after the first hearing it turns out being left alone. And when you're the biggest star in the world requires a lot of people that's great. I remember doing research on Humphrey Bogart when we were celebrating the seventy fifth anniversary of Casablanca which is a remarkable film in so far as almost none of the people who made it originally scheduled to make it and they were all brought in after changes and they started shooting before the end of the movie had been written right? Do you know who Humphrey Bogart was in real alive. And what his background was he was a preppie or prep school kid. His Dad was the most prominent obstetrician gynecologist in New New York. His mother illustrated children's books and had studied under Whistler. It is interesting that in a certain way not surprising. Because Bogart is I understand. At least the studios were looking for his persona for a while before he became the Bogart that we know of Casablanca. The Maltese Falcon or The hardboiled oiled bogart. He laid villains. He played sort of altogether different types and then he kind of got traction with the hard edge right but that didn't necessarily surly speak to who he was. And this is one of the things I think in this book and when you look earlier actors like John Gilbert in later actors maybe like Dennis Hopper. Let's let's hair. You know where the roles or the persona bleeds into real life. The presumption offscreen is that you're much like the type that you play on screen and he began to live at a bit more Brian. So if you're wild and out there and Edgy onscreen you take that into your personal life and you kind of see that happening a lot with different actors. The other part is there are guys. He's like Lee. Marvin who's a big world war two hero and you know stormed over twenty beachheads. Seems like he genuinely was a stone. Cold Bad ASS US in. That is who he played right. Mitchum was a kid in the depression riding the rails at age fourteen on his own ruin. Mitchum was a hard tough guy. Hi that is who he played. You know it's remarkable to me that the onscreen Bogart was a hundred eighty degrees from who he started out as offscreen. I have a funny when I could read. Yeah I mean just since you're talking about Casablanca Casablanca. It seems crazy that you say that particularly that they were in production before the script was done because it seems like such a tight film and when you wonder how these giant hugely finance movies go pear-shaped and who let at that happen. I often think it's sort of as the rush into production and you're trying to accommodate actors schedules and you have them in. You have to go in. The script is and ready and then it comes atom model. But let me read you one. This is beat the devil which is a nineteen fifty three John Huston film than he did with Bogart. One of the things that the book has is we also talk about a number of different film sets that were particularly wild or dysfunctional. And this one taps into some of that and has some fun folks John. Houston's beat the devil with a total disaster almost from the start maybe a total disaster is a little strong since by some miracle. Nobody actually ended up dead the film directed by Houston Featuring Humphrey Bogart Jennifer Jones. Peter Lorre in Gina. Lollobrigida was to be shot largely on location and in a little town called Ravelo in Italy a picturesque mountain village. That's high up on the Amalfi coast. There were some early warning signs. I The sexy Italian. An actress Lollobrigida had never been in an English speaking film before this most likely was because she could barely speak English like not almost second traveling traveling Inter Avello the Italian chauffeur driving Houston and Bogart got into a car accident. John Huston was fine but bogert was pitched forward cracking some teeth in badly gouging his tongue so even before shooting commenced the female lead couldn't speak English in the male lead. Couldn't speak at all in third to complicate things even further further. Neither Lollobrigida nor bogart nor the rest of the cast had yet to see any of their lines. The reason being that Houston had thrown a party the weekend before for the start of principal photography during which he tore up the entire script. It was tearing up the script party. Apparently the original draft had run into trouble with the the motion picture production code and nobody liked it very much anyways Houston decided to fly novelist Truman capote over to Italy to write the new script on a day-to-day basis as they shot capote would work through the night in pages would be handed out to the cast in the morning. lollobrigida would learn her lines. Phonetically bogart art until his mouth. Healed would mime his lines. which would later be dubbed conceivably could've worked had only the cast and crew not decided to embark on a bender of legendary very proportions capote cozy as Bogart had begun to finally call him soon began to feel that bogert in Houston? We're trying to kill him with their dissipation. He described everyone is half drunk all day. Dead drunk all night noting that once believe it or not. I came around at six in the morning to find king for Ruch doing the Hula Hula. In the middle of BOGART's bedroom it seemed Houston had not created a very productive work environment in Yiddish folktales. The Russian city of how is depicted as a city of Fools Fools Jennifer Jones character and beat the devil was named Mrs Gwendolyn home and insiders Wync some believe at what the production had become. Certainly Houston seems self-aware. In an interview years later he would say it was a bit of a travesty. We were making fun of ourselves. Some critics would see. The picture is one of the first examples examples of camp arguing that Houston Bogart were hell bent on parodying. The Newark classics the Maltese Falcon Key. Largo like that. These were classics. What's that they themselves had crafted? But that didn't mean that the mayhem wasn't real both Houston and Capote tell a story about bogert arm-wrestling all comers in the lobby of the Hotel Hotel Palumbo. He even challenged Little Kaposi wavering. Five dollars astonishingly capote up to fifty dollars and then actually beat bogart rather effortlessly fleet. Pushing his arm flat. Everyone was wide. I'd I'd like to see you do that. Just one more time. Bogart said double or nothing but again capote pushed his arm down then then once more bogart losing a total of one hundred and fifty dollars not having it pogue are started to wrestle around with the writer whom Houston now considered a little bulldog of a man and in here again capote somehow managed to trip bogart flipping the hardboiled screen legend onto his ass and in the process hurting bogart's elbow so badly that they had to stop production for three days. Houston we have a problem to borrow a phrase from the production cinematographer Oswald Morris. In Fact Morris himself tells another story of being accent fetch. Houston early one morning only to get a strong whiff of smoke as he approached Houston's room it seemed the bottom half of the bedroom door from the doorknob to the floor was red hot hash. The door was cracked. Open enough for Morris to slip inside where he found. The director crashed out on the bed. Empty Bottles of Jack Daniels. A couple of Sudi ash trays trays and script pages littering the floor. Apparently an electric room heater had been pushed too close to the door and was about to set the room ablaze. Morris reached out and took Houston Shoulder. John it's Ozzy a muffled houses. Boy John Your bedroom doors alight silence then again John Your bedroom doors alight and then only Oh oh how I love. The smell of burning wood has houston rolled over and went back to sleep but in the end the film was finished. Nobody had died. BOGART would go on to the CAINE mutiny in Houston would spend another thirty years. Directing films. beat the devil however would be both a commercial and a critical flop but then over time that two would change and it is now considered something of a cult classic as for those lines of Bogart's the ones to later be dubbed. This was done during post production at England's shepherd and studios a a young British actor was hired to provide bogart's voice a remarkable mimic his name. Peter sellars at last professional comedian. It come on board. Well you know one of the things that struck me is that some of the stories are just flat out funny and others looking through them them through the Lens of today kind of sad. Yeah I agree. Talk to me about the research because almost all of these stories I'd never heard was an enormous amount of research which one thing that we decided early on and we had done this. This is Ed Hemingway and I and our earlier book is. We weren't gonNA write about anybody who is living we sort of had to rules. We weren't gonNA write about anybody who's living thing and we were going to generally stick to people who were known to be hard drinkers. Did it was part of their public figure. We weren't sort of outing. Somebody who is a closet drinker. It wasn't known for that so probably the richest sources. Were Memoir in autobiography. Because those were sort of first person accounts I mean like in the story I read about beat the Devil Oswald Morris did write his own autobiography called Houston. We have a problem and he tells lots of firsthand stories as Houston cinematographers and. That was great. You know so. Those first person accounts were really useful. Does a lot in magazines and newspapers of the time the very public figures so for example with Bogart in the panda fiasco and the lines that he was quoted as saying in the courtroom those were covered in the press but it was Significant undertaking and we did create a bibliography at the back of the book. Because after we'd done so much research we thought we should really listed out there so other other folks can dive in but we did find two sources for everything so there wasn't anything that we relied on a single source for. How long did this take took a few years? We bit off more than we'd get. Choose got got ad was illustrating books. He writes children's books. And I make documentary films so cross this for years. I was making films and writing other things. There was so much research that went into this. I don't know how you found time to do anything else. Yeah well we had helped with that to you get researchers and sometimes they pull stuff in I and they do. Have I pass it in. You know we're looking for very specific parts of someone's life The other thing that is really helpful the came about in this. Was this kind of difference. I think between our first book on writers and our second book on Hollywood which were probably five six years apart was being able to get books on kindle because because then you can word search in that actually allows you to move through books much more easily an isolated parts that might involve the social life. The drink of the work is extraordinary. I mean you go all the way back to the very beginnings of Hollywood in the silent era. Yeah it goes from the silent era in the early days. The Buster Astor Keaton's and Mabel Norman's and John Gilbert's and Marian Davies all of those folks all the way through the seventies and people like Sinatra and Mitcham Ava Gardner owner Lee Marvin. So it's a big stretch. This is a story about Lee Marvin. He's certainly Samson his quote quite tough. He says Tequila Straight. There's a real polite drink you keep drinking until you finally take one more and it just won't go down then you know you've reached your lemon. Just start driving. He'll oh come down. At least that was the logic director John Boorman and his wife Christel had just finished dinner with Lee Marvin at Jack's at the beach in Santa Monica. Well that's not not entirely true. It had started as dinner but the Arrow is now two. AM in Marvin was ripped on Martinis. They'd all arrive together in Marvin's car which he now insisted insisted on driving. Even though Bormann was trying to take away his keys. Fuck you Marvin head said rearing back gesturing with an Imaginary Samurai Sword. This this was a man who had made. twenty-one beach landings in the South Pacific during World War Two still. The Imaginary Sword didn't prevent anyone from getting into the car in so Marvin persisted. Did he felt he was completely capable of driving into demonstrate this. He climbed up onto the top of the vehicle like an orangutan in crouched on the luggage rack. Pity Poor John. Boreman the British filmmaker who is directing his first American feature point blank with Marvin is the lead forman was as yet untested. He was also rewriting. The script on the fly since Marvin had thrown the original shooting draft out the window locations were being scouted sets were being designed instill. No one knew exactly what they were. Filming form would regularly meet with. Marvin is Malibu. Beach House to apprise him of his progress. The meetings typically when well in less Marvin had too much to drink beyond a certain level of vodka forman would right. He sailed out on his own into deeper waters. Where no mortal could follow indeed need when drunk? Marvin left behind often even himself one morning he arrived home from an all nighter without his house. Keys after ringing the bell he was greeted at the door were by an unfamiliar woman when he asked what she was doing in his house. She replied you sold it to me. Three months ago. He had to buy a star map to figure out where he currently lives. Prior to pointblank. Marvin had been in Vegas for production of the professionals one night returning to his hotel. After a long day shooting death valley he'd put quarter order after quarter into a slot machine he couldn't get to work not realizing it was actually a parking meter anyway. The luggage rack. Marvin's car was parked at at the end of the Santa Monica pier jutting into the ocean foreman figure if he drove the length of appear he could demonstrate he was serious about this in. Marvin would relent so he he gave a shot to no avail before reaching the actual road form and got out and ask Marvin if he was ready to come down. Marvin snarled Borman got back behind behind the wheel. It was late. The Pacific Coast highway was practically deserted in Marvin had left them no choice form and turned onto the highway in slowly headed toward Marvins beach chows. It wasn't long before rolling appeared in the rear view mirror. The police form in pulled over and officer approached the car assessing the scene. Finally he looked Berman and asked his first question. Do you know you have Lee Marvin on your roof. I mean I'm sure he was a nice guy parties. Hi this is Kristen Jennifer win last night we were just talking about. The holidays are over. And we're a little bit but we'll put them but you know you know what I think we can keep the holidays going. How by buying gifts for ourselves? Lincoln Reserve Dot Com and use the code podcast. VIP Get fifteen percent off everything in the store. So it's like vice is still giving US Christmas presents. That's amazing podcast. VIP Vice Reserve Dot Com fifteen percent off everything. What are waiting for well? Let's go. Let's go I'm going. You talk about how things things like the emergence of sound changed. How Hollywood party for one thing? The emergence of sounded. Because you couldn't go out all night and get hammered and wake up after having had a pack and a half of cigarettes with your voice rough and scratchy and feel like you could get away with your scenes for the day in the silent era. You could do that but your voice was more your instrument with talkies so in some ways that settle things some of that probably also has to do with the Industry Street taking off in the media around you and you know in those early days it really was more the wild west and you could fly under the radar bit more. Maybe one of the things that is interesting is the studio system and the thirties and forties fifties had like their own team to handle stars who they knew were likely to fly off the derails at a given moment and so they had relationships with the chief of police and they had relationships with the editors at the newspapers they had relationships with the bars owners bartenders surrounding the studio and they would get calls so that they could sort of swoop in and grab you know Clark Gable from a car wreck before the newsmen got thera before it hit the papers so that idea of having your own celebrity handlers wrangler is an interesting yeah but even in the early days of the talkies. They're still build legendary stories legendary parties. This goes back to like two little the bank hat and those guys. Yeah there's some I mean bankhead in in some ways and cheese a good example of somebody who is kind of famous for being too Lula bankhead. She described herself. I always likes us. Pure is driven slush. Talk about her party's because those were uh-huh yeah you read about these folks and they just seem so giant painted with such thick bright strokes in terms of their personalities in their behavior savior and their reputations but to bankhead who came from an upper crust Alabama family by the way so there is As you pointed out with bogert and her father was the former Moore Speaker of the house. Actually but quote the begins to Lula bankhead is. My father warned me about men and alcohol but he never said anything about women and cocaine probably the best part she ever played was herself sure to Lula. bankhead occasionally received good notices for her stage and screen performances is better fame rested almost entirely on the strength of her offscreen south a hard drinking Lebanese force of nature. It's likely even her peers. Could only they tell you a handful of films that she played but her alcohol and cocaine fueled affairs were legendary. There was the time she threw a dinner party at her estate which was is called windows and passed out facing super bowl before the champagne was even poured or how she bragged of having bedded over five hundred men and women bankhead by the way off and described herself as ambidextrous and then there was the nudist thing. bankhead would often answer the door completely naked. This was before the years in which consumed five packs of cigarettes in two fifths of old Granddad Bourbon Day. She claimed she could drink a bottle in thirty minutes. She took up residence at the hotel. Hotel nicknamed the easy. Lay in Burgess Meredith memoir so far so good. The actor talks about first meeting bankhead. He arrived at a party in her. Sweet tweet only defined bankhead stark naked passing out cocaine and boost guest having finished her hostess duties. She confided that she was dying of quote. The grand desire in subsequently pulled young narrative into her bedroom. Apparently the moaning and groaning were operatic. But just before consummation bankhead pushed him besides saying for God's Sakes don't come inside me. I'm engaged to Jock Whitney. That would be the son of famed businessman. Payne Whitney bankhead would forever maintain and what I do with my bits and pieces is my business and for every fan that I lose stuffy two more. Come along who approve of my lifestyle and indeed bank heads escapades escapades. Were funnier and more risque than any film comedy. She could have hoped to act in a legendary. Such incident occurred the summer of one thousand nine hundred thirty three two years after she returned from a triumphant decade long stretch in the London theater in the mood for an extended party bank had did what any in the know. Actress would have done in those days as she showed up. Resplendent in a heavily beaded gown and diamonds. If the garden of Allah she's spend most of the evening making is at Johnny Weissmuller. The Olympic gold medal swimmer who had just made his Hollywood debut as Tarzan but by five in the morning she had grown tired of simply wondering what lay hidden beneath his loincloth. There are at least two different versions of what happened next next. One is the to Lula having thus far failed in her advances on waste Mueller decided to pull a dams Linda Stress Fling herself into the pool fully closed screaming that she was going to drown around. Someone didn't save her. Someone like perhaps the Olympic swimmer standing nearby. The other version is that she and waste. Mueller drunkenly Dovan together. Whatever the beginning this the story share their most crucial detail? It's ending once in the water to Luna's dress and diamonds found their way to the bottom of the pool and chief found her way into voice. Mueller's arms naked Bacon. He carried her out of the pool. The gathered reveller stared at the spectacle of Tarzan in the naked socialite. Everybody's been dying to see my body to Lula told the remaining parties I now you can. I was GONNA ask originally. Are there any stories that surprised and now I have to ask how many of I mean they all did. They all surprise me. Part of what surprised. Me was the permissiveness. In terms of public outrageousness ourageous nece in misbehaving was just way out of measure with what I had imagined and with what it is now. I mean that these stars would pass out and super bowls and end up naked in pools with this regularity and did they were fine. They had reputations maybe but their careers didn't implode and they weren't torn torn apart in the press for it and they weren't not getting hired back and uninsurable or whatever that's different than it is now but I would imagine in large part that head to have contributed to the founding of the Hollywood coat both on screen and off. I mean onscreen. They were limiting. What could be shown in film but the exploits were certainly the talk of the town? Yeah Yeah I think so and I think that there was a kind of puritanical tightening up of how they wanted people to behave and how they wanted them to be represented in. The code was was enforced to do that. We talked earlier about how the start of talkies meant that. Suddenly you had scripts. You had to have lines that had to be memorized memorized. And well. That's another point to which I didn't bring up is that you did have to do more work in preparation and remember your lines and that also maybe put some limits on the revelry But what other changes happened over the years in terms of how Hollywood was partying. Well I mean I think a big change that happened was people shooting on location much more and the of moving equipment and the desire to go to different locations and film in some ways that started early and chaplain was doing that and people were doing that but for for a lot of the years it seems to me. The first half of the last century so much production was happening in town on studio lots so kept all the actors in town. They lived here. They worked here. And in that way they went out to these places Chasen's and Romanovs encierros and the Polo Lounge and Brown Derby. They were just places were they knew they would be sort of welcomed and protected and also seen and then they would find each other there and so in that way. I think it was a hard charging community that it it may be became less so over time when people could live in different places and when worked for months in New Orleans or in you know Atlanta arm wherever aside from personalities you talked about the places that are now institutions but back then were not you mentioned garden of Allah a famous famous hotel. Yeah and the Beverly Hills Hotel which when it was built was almost a disaster for the owner because nobody was living in Beverly Hills what he did he couldn't get people to come out that far. I I mean one of the things that was interesting for me and moving to Hollywood in writing about these places was looking for ones that were still around and not so many of them are I mean the Beverly Hills Hotel L. is and Musso and frank grill is but there's a lot of other places you know carneval as not cock and bull like different ones and yeah these contributed to partying being in it was an important ingredient in making it all happen. The book does talk about different places sometimes the case of the Brown Derby which had a cocktail the Brown Derby and whether they invented the cocteau himself so it was invented and named after them which is one of my favorite cocktails which is bourbon grapefruit juice and honey syrup or the cock and bull which he's credited with inventing the Moscow mule and had to do with the fact that the owner of the cock and bull was making and distributing his own brand of ginger Beer and he found himself saddled with too many cases of SMIRNOFF and he had a surplus of his own brew that he was hoping wouldn't go bad and so in this sort of desperate Britt did he kind of poured it all together. He decided he often just mix my remaining ginger beer with this vodka and added some lime and served it up and he served served at actually in the copper Mug and one of the actors who hung out. There was a great character actor Roderick Crawford who is through giant man and a big drinker and he apparently was the first customer former to give it a try. He liked it a lot. He said it had a bit of a kick to it. So that's how the Moscow mule was born the drink with the velvet kick before we wrap any other stories stories that you want to share with us. Well I could read a fun. One about Ava Gardner. There's a lot of men who were hard drinking and big screen personalities. In that way but there I also a lot of women who were having their own fun in wild time in Ava Gardner has perhaps my favorite quote in the entire book. A party isn't a party without a drunken bitch lying in a pool of tears which may be configured for your New Year's party probably not a good goal to shoot for now when I think about it though. The story and Ava Gardner all region that we had a wonderful time. That was all she would say. Ava Gardner during Frank Sinatra had met before years ago at Macondo back when she was still married to Mickey Rooney Sinatra had led with soft open something to the effect of wishing he'd gotten to her. First Gardner found him charming. They bumped into each other a few times thins at various nightclubs. There's even been a dinner date once after. She'd left Artie Shaw. They kissed a bit at the end of the evening but Sinatra was still married to Nancy and had kids so she hadn't let it get too far. This time though is different. They were at Daryl's Gerald Xanax. House in Palm Springs for a party. It was fall. Nineteen forty nine Sinatra. As usual was flirting with her crazy she put up with it for a while then reminded him once. He got too pushy that he was still married now. He insisted he and Nancy were finished for good in seeing as he was now available would he be interested in going for a drive. Gardner grabbed a fifth of whatever for the road. While Sinatra quite famously had a predilection for Jack Daniels to garner the tape of booze hardly mattered. It all tasted like hell to her. Anyway so bottling hand. She climbed into Sinatra's Cadillac convertible in the two of them sped off into the desert night. swigging all the way by the time they came to it was stop in the little town of the streets were deserted Sinatra pulled her clothes they kissed and kissed and at some point during their escalating passion Sinatra reached into his glove compartment in pulled out a gun scratch that he pulled out two guns both Smith and Wesson thirty eight naturally. They began to shoot up the street lights hardware store window several rounds that ended up who knows where Sinatra hit the accelerator and they kept on shooting all the way back to the highway. It was a few hours later. When Sinatra Actress Publicist Jack? Keller received a phone call from the police station. They had a story that hasn't yet reached the press. Not just a story about frank. Sinatra's drunken arrest but a story of his drunken arrests while out with famous actress who wasn't his wife in if Keller wanted to keep it under wraps he would need to get to India fast. The police back then were so much more. Amenable Keller immediately called a friend who managed the Hollywood knickerbocker hotel borrowed thirty thousand dollars and took a charter flight out of Burbank. By early morning he paid off anyone. You want who might have been inclined to talk the cops. The hardware store owner some poor drunk schmuck who'd been grazed by one of the bullets Sinatra and Garner were released without further incident Gardner for her part denied. Any of this ever happened. When she returned to the house he was renting in Palm Springs and her older sister Baffi asked how her night with Sinatra had been all she would say was? We had a wonderful time so I guess the bottom line is for our whole show have a great time on New Year's Eve. Just oh get caught. The book is Great. I do recommend it is available on Amazon and elsewhere of all the GIN joints stumbling stumbling through Hollywood history Mark Bailey. Thank you so much for joining us on this special New Year's Eve episode. I'm thank you you know. Thanks fun to tell these stories stories and I think New Year's is a good time to go out and have some fun and let loose a little bit. I recommend it quite like these folks did but you know I hope everybody has a good time. Fine thanks for joining us. Hollywood unscripted is created by Kurt commedia and presented in cooperation operation with the Malibu Film Society. This episode was hosted by Scott to law school. West Bailey producing edited by Jenny. Curtis Sound Engineering Nehring by Michael Kennedy recorded at CO media's Malibu podcast studios the executive producer of Hollywood unscripted is Stuart Halperin. The Hollywood unscripted the theme song is by Celeste. 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Getting to know Wendy Rowe and Max Factor.

"This episode is brought to you in collaboration with Max Factor. Hello Hi and welcome to the emigrants show. I'm your Host Emigrant Award Winner and it's my pleasure and my absolute pleasure to welcome Wendy road. Well famous makeup artist onto the podcast. Wendy is one of the biggest names beauty. She isn't an in demand MEA and she's also the global makeup artists and creative director for Max factor teamed up with them to create new collection of products. Now expect to is probably one of the first makeup brands. I ever spend my money on. And when I think about my expect I about that. Heritage that Hollywood's Golden Age and pure unadulterated glamour and I was actually known for creating the signature. Looks of some of Hollywood's. Most enduring icons think Jean Harlow Ava Gardner Molina Dietrich and creating a range with his name on it for his philosophy of any women can be glamorous given the right tools in practice and then we have a lovely. Wendy has over twenty years experience as a makeup artist working with leading fashion and beauty publications including vote the UK. Italian french-american Japanese Russian Chinese and German editions. If you please ide- lear in style and L. and has worked with so many aliases including L. McPherson Eva Green Cameron Diaz Zell and Rosie Huntington Whiteley. She's also a published author with book eat peaceful which is filled with easy and delicious recipes invaluable beauty advice and very simple but effective beauty tips. So clearly we had a lot to talk about where we go together. And in this conversation we talk about Wendy's career and going from hurting around getting experience in the industry back in the day learning on the job and working every hour she could become the Go-to for Hollywood's brightest stars. We talk about the lessons. She's learned the mistakes she's made. Why being true to yourself is so vital when you find yourself in the orbit of celebrities all the time and what. She has brought the new Max biotech election. She's created the links to Wendy and everything discussed can be found in the show notes which can be found wherever it is that you're listening to streaming or downloading this episode. But for now it's my pleasure to welcome Wendy Roe onto the Magan. Show Wendy Roy. I'm so glad to have a gun show. I don't chuckling because we gotta get half hour not during the conversation where it's like all. I recorded a minute. Something I you have which is great. You Make Great Pokrovsky. So we're getting to know you in this episode to speak and you are a makeup artist that obviously. I've known about many many years although as we always. I'm you that's the beauty. Welcome be like some satellites and then all of a sudden you bump into each other but you are here. Stay in your capacity as the creative director and global makeup artist for Max factor you are also an international makeup artist traveling around the world looking after the faces and the shiny limb of royalty and a published author. Feel that in a book. Let's find out So I think we'll be really lovely to find out in this episode is to start with really how you got into the industry because actually one of the questions. I get most of them. Show you get this in your. Dmz emails is people asking. How do I get into the beauty industry? And it's quite a difficult question to answer. Because beauty industry can be everything for a makeup artist or writer to Stylus to marketing to digital media. Such a yes a broader kind of jokes back but I guess a lot of people do want to be makeup artist. So where did it all start for you? What I just like film music and fashion and that's all I was interested in and consulting. Wouldn't Muslim school in really wanted to that of course competitive and was to enough pay model clearly no So I just wanted something encompassed that I didn't know I can make. It wasn't an option when it wasn't something Mike Parties. Now I mean it would be like for TV or film you know so graphics on Layouts and stuff we used to work on Bryan's up buddy shaw and good line and stuff like that. So are these layouts and my friend was a hairdresser. He was the main went to my school. He was guy of course. Draw that purser lock after flying because some of the fun why and he lived in Paris and he's at me. Why don't you become makeup artist for? Qc started doing hair in studio to record studio hair which is session work in Sal on these wanted you make buys we can't trips now for sneezy and I thought it was great. Actually because I've been scared so I'd put myself at free college and I don't for six weeks on hair. Makeup goes because you have to do those and then on moved. Peres undefinitive three months and worked as an assistant and models to let me do. They're my cup for the evening Yeah after they've done everything I've done everything and anything for no money and yet he just went on. And I'm at the Y. And stuff like. That was really interesting because almost nowadays. You think you've got to have a plan you've got to have a qualification. You got to have this. You got to have that but it was. Kinda just three yourself over and went with the flow. I mean just knew. I wasn't going to file. That was coming. Why because I was always into spokes. Some a-team kind of player and I like winning. And it's a bit like not being defeated. This is not going to defeat me. Even when I lived in Paris attorney one I hate it out. My friend and I can speak French but I thought not going home because I said I'm going to be through. So Heroes Die. I was tough things out becomes right when I first started doing makeup. I didn't have always do in. I was doing it goes world nothing ever looked marketed on volks but I was just hitting. I just thought my most mistakes. But it's about all the mistakes she needs to make them and fix them and that might great Mike Parties if I was pretty from the off then further down the line you need to make mistakes. Isn't that just a great mentor? Life like it so if you think about lots of Hollywood movies the person who had the natural talent and goes on to have this meteoric rise. But they've always going to the natural talent but actually the person you graphs make mistakes goes. Oh Yeah I screwed that up. How do I fix it? How does the work? Yeah Addo fix and make it better. He become a solution so I think it's Mike Autism. You get also is very slim sober. Yeah well it's is very weird job because obviously as I became an agent that was a step and and then this agent would just send you to places bidding and all abroad and you jus- go is quite behrman. There was no internet. There was knowing mouths or funds. It was quite a like a a wig. You got to have trials and be confident Kush. I'll just found nothing like it. None of that. It's not gonNA happen. So yeah it's fundable woke up to that point I like adrift on so it was just a case of you mentioned actually early. You did a lot for free. I do want to touch on that just because I do think it's quite interesting. Anyone learning from anyone. Who's in the position that you are now? Which is a huge star in the world of makeup and the beauty like when like learning to value yourself I think is one of the most crucial learning to value a self and your craft and your skill is probably one of the most important lessons. You can learn as a creative as a freelancer enlighten. Obviously in this industry did you have if you weren't being paid for things. How long did you put up with that before? You're like actually I am worth something and this is why it didn't that didn't even actually cross moines. I mean I'm rich kid that we know I wanted to be paid for things just so our could survive. Maybe it wasn't about Two on liked doing things The creative and they normally pie and that would mean as much to May get in a magazine then a mood getting fifty quaid. Yeah do you know it was? It would just main as march and if not more because I'm starting to build a portfolio and that's I started it because I've done it because of that and I. I not allowed to different jobs. I mean of the lows of justice. You know you kind of lie. Also you can figure it out you can get through anything. You surprised town how how good you alright like survive in you can get for anything. Just need to be in the situation. You use view people. Our people are quite. I think these days of acquire. Everything's kind of quite sorted by when the faneuil perform in any policy life and then when you did stall housing value sorry as important to belly when remember that that's the funny thing because overcame hand in hand. I suppose when I had my first one more first contracts that was like that was like a regular amount of money. Would you have had four years? Because it's one way come on anything or anything and then my money for two days since first reading but at the same Time Magazine's editor worst-off anything. But you need that to get the money works. I own kind of come and go. You have to see the bigger picture. Yeah Yeah yes so So it all comes together and then then then I would get to a point when I started working with big a papal. I would get really anxious before I go to work out. Get our allies of research. I'd get really anxious. One of the people and more friends now but shoes to reading might anxious and what goodenow two-night office persona America and detail or French. And what happened when it happened? Suddenly that anxiety just because I feel like I had the realization as I am good. I can take on anything. I something I may an off season long as you don't want me to do a mosque. Not really quickly is not going to happen. I'm confident enough to say no. That won't work. Yes arm- goodbye to remain. That takes a long time to own up to that and to and to know what your star lease and be okay with it. Not Trying to be doing. We'll be like them. They're doing well. We know that you just need to go. Which is sometimes difficult. Because you know what you will for pain the most defended the master of nodes. Ca- I'M GONNA I'M GONNA make people look beautiful but you still keeping their character which I love. Kusala and people are not being around people site that mental talent off ramp. Margie lucky ranch and not something that I'd like to. I'm a little bit which is about. Don't be like someone else and if someone else's to read something don't try and copy it which I think is a great rule. I stay in your lane but equally one of the things that I think said to me so I love that. Sorry that Science Daniel Lane. That's so America. I love. I used to be used to get said to me so much when I was working on magazines. Particularly like we'd every magazine read all the people who were doing what you're doing because that's how you'll know what's out there and I and sometimes I think that's a really good thing to do and sometimes I think it's really unhelpful. Because you lose sight of your yet. Yeah you will ever the carriageway a reference in is good but you have to understand that you'll never be that person there might be something that just picked up an ending. Then you make your your own way and I think anything creative from wrought into joy into a photography or wherever you kind of. Have a flaw when you work. And and he just kind of like it. Things just develop icon plan. I can have no idea but we plan that much. What's going to happen? It just starts to happen. And that's when you kind of change so. I think that's the same with most creative things so even if you really wanted to try and copy. I don't think you could buy a if you're strong enough creative. I think there are people that are very good at just copy and us on this quote Some one inch scar or something and it was. You know you shouldn't worry about people copying because you're the mom with the sacred ingredients. You're the one with the SPA and it's so true you can tell your idea but then never going to know how what what you bring to. Who was we something? Yeah and then get a nine. Yeah kind of the malls. If someone's listening to this who wants to start out as a makeup artist? What advice would you give them? Lena Schloss because I've just is not out yet but I have gone through this. It will be out. Potentially the liquid show knows depending on when you okay. Yeah how to be a micro on so many roads which I never had in our started. That is the the Rupe like I. Don assist people go and assist and just go to war. Licensees may photographers and stop testing and to that row. That's not the school route because of option you can also go back into time around. We can't and Topa folks from America Joyce which went came out concentrated our very handy and Hefei on the job and now so that the schools you can go to. There's there's one word which are probably might have done if on nine boundaries is could either I think and you Linkoping shiner citizens yet? Is You do like a bit. Prosthetics and stuff is really geared up for films but of couse upon word. So you get to work with people are going to films I think. Probably that's where they've got their make parties connor structure is. I think that's really exciting. I think is a year so I know there's the London College of printing fashion and that is a two year. Course done what you do to use. Be honest good luck. Avi reported that one. But you wouldn't say it's just a really beautiful instagram search. Oh sorry the other other brew which is to an Instagram. I bar the is you. Just turn yourself either. GonNa Learn anything you know just doing the same face. All the time is no. It's not as you can do great makeup but you say you need to have them pitfalls because when you get someone in your chair you need to know every eventuality and how to fix it. You're not going to know that we've you unless you've gone through light aged fifty years in a Di got really bad acne. Not Dry Spas. Being on May be larger. Skin TABLET MAY FACE NIPS FALLOFF. Placard broken up with boyfriend his puffy face these things you need to understand and you're not going to know that just doing yourself if you're just waking up everyday now yeah because. I always sites more assistance to be a great. Makeup artist is not to do a pretty motto is to is to fix problems. Someone that's got really bad skin. Might them look. Imagine someone that's out might them in a commodity and that's when you know you crawl. Could you start to see the Feis you know and it's not about well Chris. Carlin is a lottery lead with a socket non darker just to papal does not loop of agricultural. Where food is yeah. I mean it's nice to be able to do that back. It's not a it's not what you're GONNA be doing. You know and bright you need to know and understand grabber but I think it's good to watch techniques of people and then try them out but try them out on your nine your mom you see your friends just everyday and then you'll grow will not work and that's a that's actually brilliant advise. I'd never even thought about. Yeah just as many faces in your hand because you start to understand that because I am now in my career I can look at someone an orange wall reference them all get lots of pictures of office if they're famous wherever and I'll go. That doesn't work that does work. And then and the Narwhal say them and I'll make a judgment quite quickly and then not go. The dies people sitting in the chair for now. That doesn't happen. You know you were sometimes the hairdresser. You work quickly. People don't sit there for three people working at the same time. Most of us are shoots and I would always do my interviews. Well not always but a lot of the time during makeup because you can during hackers ahead right but it would be S- coming into here first and then maybe the role is and then she's going. I don't know time at nine o'clock. Don't stop using lovely. But now you'll be working around a hairdresser anneke especially if you're in a recoup especially if you're doing celebrities not so much model gene kind of change out but then you know you don't have to fix so much. There's no model why they are. Modem people get I'm pretty. They're a modal because their toll they look great in close and every angle. They look amazing. It's very rare to be like the these hard but that's why model. Yeah yeah happy. That's that's why you can always see a model if you go walking down. The street and a model is a model also. They now had to move their border. They what we would win the Peace Corps. She's a good worker. Like she can work like show now in front of the camera because if you get more of the young all on very company then don't fill their body so very stiff and they each state your age get picture for someone. That's good that coughed. You can really quick you know year you can get those loads of photos different looks we say it does look glamorous from the outside. I think people would say that but it is in many ways I mean. Isn't he struggled to come out? It's enough is enough freedom of freedom and you know and you you you're your own boss and say you rate we so basically and also there's a lot of traveling It can be quite lonely. You can be quite disheartened retrea. Issue Start Looking instagram. Someone's down but remember is also Mike Mirrors someone's dumb and they're doing Utah and you can. You can go into how they're so and you on your mind and you kind of if an agent is them in Yukon in your career and you can be with different people every day so you know you need to be out to work in the TAME and McLean. They're all great things. I mean it's amazing pages of some fun paper. We've bad laugh minute. I would tell them to all go. I often find it. Mak- parts of the best people to travel with. Because they know how to travel comfortably because they've got the heaviest kid sometimes they know to travel comfortably so they've always got like if you ever traveled to make a protest but a new travel by the code that they were all ruined because they always know the code. That will come back as do when I mean war Halloween chaplain. I still find packing like a ball. You know you never know what's going to HAPPEN ANYTHING ON MONACO SHERMAN. Or are we gonNA studio all strong find out owner for shakes huge occasion out on a mountain back on the beach a bit law known case. That's worth things when they get older. You all know. I'm speaking of big big old shoots. I came into the industry after this. The Golden Era ten days you in the Bahamas Christie turning down a few pictures of her looking exquisite hammer but shoots come be quite when creative people come together and it works. Oh my goodness is that like you. Leave that shoe feeling. Something really amazing happens. Day really really came together can we talk about Camaraderie on Shu? We usually talk about how you can help along like. How do you go into a shoe to make it to get on the best possible? Well I do like to work. People Are Word. I mean. Come always happen. I'm always and Chatty don't believe because I'll come get this going yeah music you know. That's another thing about Mike up in who we have music in an office where economy music and and I just think you know I like to keep it like Kief. It funny I took about seventy eight stuff like that and I'll do that and just funny. I've always good storyteller voice story about dom which is funny and I'm trying to include everybody. I mean it's hard. We didn't hear makeup so it's just probably hair the hairdresser and the manicurist. I'll just try and keep the energy up and Fawn and I always you know I y site you look. Inqui- crippled concern was happening. And you need encouragement. And you when you work with great team people. That energy is lie. Forlorn isn't about this letting everybody haven't letting everybody do their own thing. I think that but but you need to be with the right people because they say the hairdresser does something even could do these. Anita do lots of makeup because Mike Rising these we say is make no over not and if you just come together and you just get really excited and yeah and then obviously needs comedown down chocolate beverages. Push the edge but yeah I. There's quite a few sheets are get like that way if I do. I actually mean Choco we had motto and a hairdresser and we walk the props because we wanted to be because obviously there was no money and so obviously Aku sale you realize that halting saw Bob Whitten fifty six shows in the die. I'm going health left Rosa. Now make a brand new going to steam show shortly so stop men headed for die so I didn't have to Hans muck round of neat ruling shorts from a book. The saving grace was the goal was amazing and I could change your loads. You know we have tau. We had shells have pillow. Everything is really into not finishing in. Because we've got lighter. Wish does live the sweet Nelson. Is that far four thousand on a train. So what you get into it speaking. You wrote a book. A why is it given all your experience and your background. 'cause it's called eat beat for. Why was that book that came out of you because unlike food which and and I felt my cup book was old fashioned all some great my cup books on Park Avenue which I think are the best and this to- but other than that I find fashion. I think you need to see what's happening. More than wins and you can see the anew tube now and you can see on instagram. So I just feel like as a as a full of information. It's tighted bomb while I do know. Is that over the years well. I. I'd like drink. Coconut water and stuff like that. Because I like it and give you an image feel better but I know the food changes your mood and furniture and your skin is inside upbeat. If I have someone with Robert Skin I need to get into a good place very quick. Great lot working on a dirty canvas unease cleaning. But if you've been working on yourself from the inside is going to be better. It was just teaching people how to have great skin They're all funny. Stories called because of always got our length certain dishes around the world and stuff and remedies herbal remedies like all the vitamins and herbs are good view and you know based like basic things. What exactly what is extra just basic staff lot not complicated just to tell you what it is and why you get and this is some K. Just things that you could change and largest stuff that that probably you know they got more older minute you know but if I'm not my black book of nine everything all let me just look at further that yet this this this this so it's basically like a Bible or Skim Bible for everybody that wants to have beautiful skin. You know the more you do. The obey is your choice leaving normally do things unless they have a problem on the is up what? I do now where you need to do these days. But it's not a quick fix. It's about taking a bit of a run up to it and that means making some changes understanding what you're trying to fix exactly. I'm Jay for the season so I always side by organic because it is so much fuel body it is not as into growth hormones into so basically all your skin is trying to do is just repair itself. Mueller this crap. That's going on outside but so people on organic is can't be better for you. Don't have all that and you gotta worry about that but if you buy and season it will be cheap. Because that's when it grows and there's a reason why grows that time of year because it has the benefit for you I'm winter eight rainbow eight bright colors because older than things better for your skin. There's reason like people say an if you grew up in Asia. You probably your body's pretty much. We've rice then if you grew up somewhere like here Old for eating potatoes. Everybody's just better processing. It might sound older them. Things like the difference. Even though I did all of this experience or this practical experience of working on shoes making the mistakes the stuff that you know about the skin die and everything you must have had brands clambering over themselves and you to work with you. Because Brando's lover celebrity ambassador. Yes Post but you have you have started working with Max factor. Yeah why why was that? The brand that stocks wore. I'd always done stuff with him. I asked what rebrand before and not alone. Stand relationship with them for fifteen years. And then that changed and I'd always done a lot of the sheets. Max Factor so I'd always known them as brand also for me. He is the makeup of my composite. He made make up so and I went from luxury to affordable. Now I listened. Lovelock's you don't get me wrong. I don't I don't understand why we can't do something for everybody. That's a foldable. Let me try and change that perception that shape and it's crappy will now on to make it affordable and gorgeous to so that was that was my play on that and the fact that he was the person that made make up. He was the makeup artist. Yeah so if I'm going to work for anyone is going to rely make make forests. Max's back thinking about like. We often talk about the person who wears a particular brand like the Max. Back to person over. It might be and the main growing up. Max Factor was that brand that allowed me to access Hollywood glamour year with my pocket money. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and now that space. The highstreet space is absolutely saturated with lots of brands and obviously make formulations of common long way twenty five thirty years so I guess when I started thinking about this and I know that you collaborate. I thought I knew the person was and I wasn't sure that I knew anymore. Brilliant I can talk to you. I mean the thing was Max factor walls like the Hollywood. Starlet doesn't exist anymore. So you need to move with the Times you know. I suppose it would be red carpet bar. We need to understand. Who is the woman to so we have lots of different sides of us? So what the Max woman is you? Can you can be every day. You can be Sports you can be all of these people make up. We change our moods of makeup so it needs to be fluid now it needs to change direction and in need to be easy to use so I suppose now the woman is can be anyone but you know obviously you can focus more on the red carpet because that is the glamorous side but yet it needs to be functional in these woman that goes to work it needs to be and I suppose the way I've changed it is I'm GonNa give you. You're going to be the makeup artists at home So I'm making products are easy for you to achieve not for major change as I can do anyway but but but for you to be make not for not for x factor to be anymore right to do that. It's just changing the change in the role and make it easy for people that was really interesting because the first product. I tried from the products that you've had a was the miracle second skin hybrid foundation and instinctively. I just applied it with my finger. Yes got like probiotics and coconut oil yet. Because it's super soft and it does become like a second skin and then when I told you that you would like that's how I would fly. Yeah yeah making it easy yet. No brushes necessary yet. Just you know the thing is. We've makeup sometimes is so traditional and people have set ways. Oh no you need to put like you can see on I or you need primer selfish. Do you want to? Do you make it feel comfortable. I you know I've made this. It's like a moisturizer. So you put in your hand you put like for pays worth many. Thanks and then just really push you into your skin moisturizer as how quick and easy as it should be easy and it shouldn't feel like your makeup. It should feel heavy. Say All these sensations. It should smell nice but not over frequently because we don't realize perfumes because it's another thing not goofy skin so the skincare in it as well and it's like so just evens out the complexion. We'll give you that gorgeous glove just a hint you know and you can put it out of your body as well legs arms and so it's not going to like break the bank. If you decide you just want to use it like you know to do your legs or whatever you knew that a little goes a long way and yet I really found. I mean I'm going to put that on the self it because unlike our listeners I said to win did we must get some terrible for getting halfway down the road back story. She said let me put some a miracle good. It really is the foundation. A foundation release the foundation of any makeup. But I think yeah it's a law reporter people to swap foundations very often. You know I'm a scholar a low to and and it's the kind of the cool of any kind of look you WanNa create what you WANNA sat in lurked? You warn a glowing. Look you want a real Matt Lurk? It depends on who you where you going in these things factor in you know. What's your because. We talked about applying that with fingertips a more lie in the hands rub together and then you I mean watching longtime yeah Yeah I was GonNa ask about what just foundation application tips in general. Do you have a preference for fingers or do you. Is it fingers for certain formula and brushes for others? Japan's depends on trial walk. I mean there's Lahser to foundations usual work because obviously after figure out someone's skin. Sometimes they use a sponge. Not Very often because our prefer. It's we lighter but if I want to kind of a a heavier coverage use a sponge of brushwood Bay a lighter coverage and hands the largest. Yes that's where I work and sometimes use the PRUSSIAN. Brinda move fingers. Anyways is kind of a costume to my skin fights foundation like on a day feeding bit tired. And that's when I do my hands and an even if I've applied with brushes are then going again because because yeah it kind of melts. It doesn't feel like their own. Look more organic real. Yeah 'cause I took some. I was looking at my instagram. Feed the other time I thought. Oh you terribly it was because I think it was a day when foundation was fighting. Took the picture anyway. Say We all day. Yeah we do. Do we do so. That was oh so you collaborate with the development on the foundation. What other because it's not that's not the only one that's like a new new way to win. A breed is saying well. I'm trying to just make it easy for everybody. I'm because obviously do make up every day. I know what I know. The brand were for somebody was lacking. Let's bring up to speed and And things I think that like new stuff negative stuff. Isn't that point immigrant? Something as someone else's done that you really like his name was put in that. Because you're just part from them and it's just copying sean come out of new stuff. I mean I don these bonding Joe Sticks. And they're like cheek tints as well enough they SIP light. They're good. They're good for like a beach some kind of stuff the very large formula and they're hint of color. I uses a lot when I'm shooting as well and then I'll have to miss what we don't have. Which is my genius. New or shutter is that quotes and they're obviously are curated. The colors ready The most use colors amodio the how many quotas for even though too and and basically you just finger there is no. You don't need brushes. And he can't make him stake and then she got like John. Poor hands or something. I don't know you can't you just call on and so I'm really excited about the Texas relief read is no fad. I'd just I come white because on that is going to be the best seller a dime on America skin for sure the jails and I feel like some people will love them. Enough people were film to really do anything shutters and the foundation for sure for me those Texas the GEL texture blush. Sometimes you can think that's not going to last but actually they've got real staying power without being without being difficult to work with play by taking bronze because he didn't fall into the pores. That's because it doesn't look like you wear Makeup Gorges. Yeah that's kind of what we're trying to make it as if it we're actually not too. I WanNa see who you are. I think it's interesting and like seeing people's faces differnt sign for in other. Oh sorry that remember you start looking at the same thing happens? I remember you. I like people are really important. What was really nice. I is that I if I was if I was if I had my beauty journalist hat on yet and somebody said to me describe Max factor in like three words or something one of the words I would use heritage for sure but I would having this conversation with you and also because I've been very lucky to test these new products. Now I understand. Actually it's Hera still heritage but it's just been brought up today. Yeah I mean yeah I mean listen. We can't not the fact that he was the guy might make up the right. Yeah everything from a scar everything. When he's fact factory will it was. It was a factory in the. He's makeup place in Hollywood. It's amazing you know obviously pretty talk now that stuff but yeah it was. Hey made my cup for people for films you know. He was the creator of by car. So yeah and he's got this heritage and it's just ridi amazing to be following someone's footsteps that actually create stuff. Yeah I mean so I think that's great but it needs to be a in needs to be updated because the world has changed and our needs a different here and if you know and and different ways of women that wear makeup guys wear makeup to you know and this options there for everyone. It's just been kind of opening up everything and making it easy. Actually I have quite a few male friends. Yeah that would like that. He would love the second skin and also the broadening sticks year. Say let's perfect. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah because he doesn't allot maker. Just shoot growing right to end because we could not one day but for the benefit of race excellent listeners. Yeah I wondered if you had a list of the three things the three bucks and we don't have to mention Brown or anything like just the three products that you think. Everyone should have in them. Makeup bag we scar Casella. Oh yeah actually yet as I can do a lot with that. Oh you that's like upon that you can build a do I can do. A lot of things can see now as a founder. Yeah Messiah. There's no option. I have to eat on an account. Would pay academic always joins big thing for me And indeed shakes and Slot lit line. You See. It's quite a few things that can do that. I could even Arkady make that like a hint of a bronze if know yeah I mean I use that. I wasn't expecting to. I love the I had been excise because I don't put it controlled coup. Iskoe because I'm just that's because you can just in homefires changes right. I always think whenever I talk to make Artis and they talk to me about faces. It's as if they don't see the face it's obviously this is if they see the architecture and then they work on that so it's like they when they look you. They're seeing the blueprint of your face. What yeah facebook. Yeah Yeah and they can understand how to make like scaffold that cheekbone. Yeah I mean. It's an hour. Some the beach is people in the world and I can find things that I can improve or just make I suppose not improve. That's magnify Oh No plan and no other. I can I because no one's face is symmetrical so I can kind of make a symmetrical as I try to make as much closer can. She probably won't say on. I someone because they move as well so it's very hard to pin down but when you go someone in front of you you can go Resolute bit lower the I need to be lifted. Some that mouth. Is You know I can listen. No one's known symmetrical not because is images bad but just because the I is naturally drawn towards symmetry. Yeah so for the purposes of shoot someone going in front of a camera to try and make their faces symmetrical as possible makes them look doors the items for sure. Oso this deal. You never lied. Look that that person at that angle for that loan. You can't you can't do that. Jenner mainly so. They're always moving. So you would never really not much on a photograph. You can see everything I mean. I see things when I'm filming on. May that when I look in the mirror and say But they're not that someone is is that it's just stuff. It's just what I'm used to looking at a sober almost perfect good luck. Everybody massacre in scope. I like that. Thank you so much now listeners. Obviously everything that we have discussed the Max factor product your book any other links to those courses as well for anyone who's interested will be in the show notes which can be found wherever it is you're streaming and downloading this episode but Wendy Roe. What a pleasure lovely. Thank you so much and please come back soon or love to thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get in touch with the show please do. Email me on the beauty podcast. G MAIL DOT COM. You can also idea me on instagram twitter where I am at Emma Gums. Or if you want to speak to me and thousands of other listeners. To this podcast why not join? 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The Entrepreneurs - The Spirit Lives On: Howard Hughes

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The Entrepreneurs - The Spirit Lives On: Howard Hughes

"In july nineteen thirty eight. The fastest man in the air took just three days. Nineteen hours and fourteen minutes to circumnavigate. The world has lockheed super electra howard hughes had broken the previous record all must four days when hughes and his crew stopped fill his airplane with gasoline. At le bourget airport near paris or gene in switzerland received the following telegram from its french subsidiary often howard us equipped exclusively with aviation chronometers and quotas by lorene. He's finally arrived at floyd bennett field near new york. After flying a distance of almost fifteen thousand miles around the northern hemisphere. This is the spirit lives on a monocle. Twenty four production powered by lorene episode for howard hughes nine hundred zero five born in harris county texas nineteen thirty produces and releases the aviation war-film hells angels nineteen thirty five flying. His h one aircraft sets land plain air speed record of three hundred and fifty two miles per hour. Nineteen breaks his own speed record for transcontinental flights nineteen thirty eight sets a new record for the fastest around the world flight. Howard hughes found himself alone from an early age. His mother died when he was sixteen and his father when he was eighteen. And nineteen twenty five young hughes inherited his father's company a drill production firm for the oil industry in the following years us managed to multiply the family fortune with his ventures and investments as a film producer and entrepreneur in aviation electronics media manufacturing real estate and petroleum drilling with fingers in all sorts of pies had varied life which he graced the cover of time magazine produced the nineteen thirty two gangster film scarface and dated a string of famous women including katharine hepburn gardner and ginger rogers among many others and eventually married the actress jean. Peters howard hughes wasn't without controversies in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. He was driving a car that fatally struck a pedestrian for which he avoided jail while his scandals were well known his feet in aviation were still notorious as both a businessman and a pilot took control of trans world airlines in nineteen thirty nine by nine hundred forty five it was the second u s airline to fly internationally. After panamerican this led to a legal battle pan am wanted a monopoly over commercial aired travel outside the usa and tried to pressure hughes into selling twa to them but hughes wouldn't back down after a fight before congress hughes one paving the way for competition in international air travel from the us hughes was an enthusiastic aviator built planes at his own company hughes aircraft on september thirteenth nineteen thirty five hugh set the land plain air speed record of three hundred and fifty two miles per hour in his sleek h one racer in california barred yet millionaire portman howard hughes as mon over three hundred miles an hour. This was the last time in history that the world record for airspeed with set in an aircraft built by a private individual a year and a half later you set a new transcontinental airspeed record by flying nonstop from los angeles to newark in just seven hours. Twenty eight minutes and twenty five seconds. His average ground speed during the flight was an impressive. Three hundred twenty two miles per hour in nineteen thirty eight. You would make that legendary round the world trip breaking wiley posts record. The watches in hughes lockheed were essential tools invented in one thousand nine hundred eighty six to facilitate navigation and fast moving aviation. the lodging. insider graph didn't display usual civilian time but rather ideal time in our angles minutes. and minute. arc's so dariel. Time measures the rotation of the earth referring to the stars not the sun enabling the navigated to determine the position of an at night or over the see before the era of modern. Gps instruments login equipped the sidra graph with the most accurate movement manufactured at the time placing it in a heap toughened aluminium case. This material was perfectly suited for aviation because of its lightweight and anti magnetic nature only one of the wealthiest men of his time hughes donated much of his fortune to philanthropic causes and healthcare and medical research later in life hughes became known for his eccentric behaviour and reclusive lifestyle. This is health declined. Hollywood star and longtime friend. Ava gardner described the successful aviator in her autobiography as painfully shy completely enigmatic and more eccentric than anyone she had ever this is the spirit lives on a monocle. Twenty four production in association with long gene to find out more about lodgings long history with aviation you can download the rest of the series for monocle dot com. You can also read more and find out about lodgings new spirit collection at large gene dot com.

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Leading Ladies: Grace Kelly

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Leading Ladies: Grace Kelly

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Today's leading lady is one of the brightest stars to ever hit the silver screen. Though she only started movies over the course of five years, her short and dazzling career became the stuff of fairytales. Although. She was heralded for her effortless beauty and poise. Her personal life was mired with scandal and tragedy. We're talking about the one and only Grace Kelly. Greece was born on November, Twelfth Nineteen, twenty nine to an upper class family in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Grace's father Jack Kelly was a three time Olympic gold medal rower turned entrepreneur. He used his prestige in the community to enter politics eventually, serving the FDR administration as the National Director of physical fitness. Grace's mother Margaret was also athletic and ambitious. She was the first female coach for the women's swim team at the University of Pennsylvania and the first director of their Physical Education Department. Their marriage was punctuated by Jack's many conspicuous affairs a pattern. He Pass along to his daughter grace. While Greece's three siblings shared the Kelly family predilection for athletics. Chris did not as a young child she was Gawky and awkward and withdrew from the family into her own imagination. She found refuge with another family member who differed from the rest, her uncle, the Pulitzer Prize, winning playwright George Kelly. After seeing a local feeder production grace announced to her family that she wanted to become an actor. Jack specifically was dismayed. Show business was looked down upon and their nouveau riche elite political circle. But he relented, and grace made her first professional theatre debut at the age of twelve from the audience grace received the validation. She'd long been missing from the Kelly family. With the help of her uncle, Georgia's prestigious name grace was accepted into the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York. During her time in the program, three lifelong patterns presented themselves success as an actress romance with older men and familial disapproval. One such romance was with an up and coming Broadway director who also happen to be one of Kelly's teachers Don Richardson. Grace's parents were scandalized by her fair with Richardson at technically still married and he was Jewish. In particular grace's father, Jack Despised the Union. He bribed Richardson to end the relationship and when Richardson refused, Jack had Greece's brother call and threaten Richardson. At! The age of Twenty crease made her Broadway debut in August. Strindberg's the father for what she received favourable reviews, but her career really started to flourish on TV. She appeared and more than sixty live tele plays on broadcast networks between nineteen, fifty, nineteen, fifty three. It was during this time that she secured a role in the now classic high noon. She played the pacifist wife of Hollywood star Gary Cooper during filming, she struck up a romantic relationship with the fifty year old cooper. One biographer Wendy Lee also alleges that Greece was simultaneously involved with the director Fred Zimmerman. The film was a hit Cooper won an academy award for his performance, and grace won the attention of Hollywood, as a result, Greece landed supporting actress role beside Ava Gardner and Clark Gable, in John, Ford's nineteen fifty-three Mogambo. With the second film, Grease picked up an academy award nomination for best supporting actress, another high profile romance with Gable. Who was twenty eight years her senior and a call from Alfred Hitchcock Hitchcock cast grace in the lead role of his nineteen fifty four thriller dial M for murder. Grace had a slew of sexual conquests while working on the film including fellow actor Tony, Dawson, writer Frederick not, and of course, her co-star Raimo land her relationship with Milan who again was over twenty years, her senior and married threatened to become a full blown scandal while nineteen fifties, Hollywood was evidently just a salacious as it is today, the studio system was far less forgiving at the time under threat of ruining future career prospects. Grace's relationship with Milan ended. Grace again partnered with hitchcock for their second film together Rear Window. And you will be able to take your eyes off a glowing beauty of Grace Kelly, who shares the heart and curiosity of James Stewart in this story of a romance shadowed by the terror, a horrifying secret. Grace dazzled as the snoopy socialite. Lisa Fremont. That same year, the country girl was released pre start alongside William. With whom she unsurprisingly started an affair. On the set of the country, God's grace also met bing crosby with whom she would also start a romance. The two were momentarily the IT couple of Hollywood before she turned down his marriage proposal. Greece won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role in the country girl beating out powerhouses of the Era Audrey. Hepburn Judy Garland Dorothy Dandridge and Jane Wyman Riding this acclaim Greece went on to star in her third hitchcock film to catch a thief. Lovely Ever seen any place in the world mobile. Just it the colors of the dom in the sky. Little Pink and green buildings on the hill. All those will, she could climb. While filming in the south of France, she began a romance with the different type of suitor. An international playboy and fashion designer Oleg Cassini. When Oleg proposed as so many of grace's suitors did she accepted the engagement didn't last. Her Parents Talk Cassini as beneath them and went out of their way to alienate him effectively ending the relationship. But grace's luck quickly turned around her movie star status had earned her a position in the American delegation to the canned film festival in Nineteen fifty-five during a photo ops for the delegation in nearby Monaco. Priests met the thirty one year old Prince Rainier the third. while. Greece was in a public relationship with Francis foremost actor. At the time, she began a secret courtship with the Prince of Monaco. Greece would make two more films. The I. The swan turned out to be largely prophetic. In the film she plays a lady who must choose between her true self and marrying a disinterested prince for the benefit of her family and country. And her last high society, which debuted in nineteen fifty six featured grace as the archetypal dazzling character, she'd become so well known for starring opposite Frank Sinatra in December of Nineteen fifty-five Prince Rainier traveled to the United States reportedly in search of his princess. He landed at the Kelly family door. And Philadelphia increases judgmental and status obsessed family was elated by courtly visit, and unsurprisingly proved far more accepting of rainier than her previous suitors. The wedding was set for April nineteen, fifty six and news of the engagement consumed the media. Grace's story was portrayed as a fairy tale. Come to life. On April. Eighteenth Grace and rainier were married in a civil ceremony followed by a lavish Cathedra wedding. The following day grace officially became Princess Grace Grimaldi. The cathedral wedding was watched by over thirty million people on TV, and was host was star star-studded, six hundred plus guest list. For months rumors circulated as to whether grace's new title as princess would mean the end of her acting career. Despite attempts by hitchcock himself to persuade the crown, it was deemed beneath her station. Life, as a princess was not quite the fairy tale, it was presented to be Princess Grace and Prince Rainier did have three children together. Princess Caroline Prince Albert the second Princess Stephanie, but their marriage was otherwise riddled with traumatic miscarriages and rainiers controlling behavior. The couple managed their strained union through covert affairs. One of these alleged affairs was with grace's former Co. Star Frank Sinatra. On September thirteenth. Nineteen eighty to grace took a drive with her daughter Stephanie. A hairpin turn took her by surprise, and the car pummeled through a guard rail and fell over one hundred feet, rolling multiple times while Stephanie sustained relatively minor injuries. Grace was rushed to the hospital. The doctors concluded that she had suffered a minor stroke causing the accident. She passed away the following day in a hospital that bore her own name. The Princess Grace Hospital of Monaco. She was just fifty three years old. Tune in tomorrow for the story of another leading lady. Special. Thanks to lose Kaplan. My favorite sister co-creator Talk to you tomorrow.

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ACS (Part 1): RJ Bell talks Oscar Nominations

The Adam Carolla Show

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

ACS (Part 1): RJ Bell talks Oscar Nominations

"Thanks for listening to the Adam Corolla show on podcast one. I can't believe it that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead. Hello, everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance guy. Go. Projected increase in organic three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Ten years hundreds of guests. Millions of downloads one podcast hit it on to get it on get on mandate. Get it on the ten year anniversary podcast March tenth Peterson auto museum Mahalo for a decade of getting it on. From Corolla one studios in Glendale, California. This is the Adam Corolla show with Gina grad on news fall, Brian on sound effects and a phone call from RJ bell. Now, hoping the government shutdown. Doesn't mean he'll lose his food stamps. Adam karol? Yeah. Get it on got to get it on no choice but to get on mandate. On. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for telling of friend. We love the share. Right. Gina grads. Right ball. Brian. Who did I ki- to- and all that stuff all through college? I never heard is. She does she what does that? I think you do that. When you're sense a tells you to like wash your hands out the garbage bossed around enough. Yeah. He's got he needs a marching order that Brian. You'd be my sense. Okay. But just go ahead and be a white guy. Okay. No reason. Right. And then you tell me what to do master Corolla sweep up that station where dealt with that put away those ropes Doshi, and as long as you're juice. My tires are a little low out there. I know she was getting good windows can be waxed high. She she's his fantastic drama power. I love I love that. They have I because white people don't have. I they have I'm staring at my not I, but we have my sharing my fucking phone. And then you talk to them and they don't answer. And then when you have the gall to mention it for a second time because they didn't look I heard you and you're like, I should know she. Let's replace the my with the I it's good. 'cause I. Hey, hey. Yeah. Go to mush though on a guess you. I love it. Yeah. There's nothing better than a subservient culture. Nothing. Not when you're not if you're one of them. Restaurant or you marry one of them. That's what I'm getting a rub down real top heavy benefit. All right. I wanna bet DS. I go to bed decide dot com and tear super Adam. I like that lows. Go to Lowe's dot com and flash. Adam so much talk about I was. Talking as doing car cast a little bit earlier today. And for some reason start talking about the movie damnation alley seventies stupid movie back when you could just build a huge trucks ter-, Hugh, they build like a huge like aid, the movie's called super boss. What do we do about out of supervise? We just build a supervise made it clear, and then we see how many celebrities can make cameos in it. And then we make a movie about we need a mobile about mobile, we need everything. But we need the monkeys mobile who needed a mobile less than the munsters. You know what I mean? Like, they didn't leave the house. Yeah. They were indoor things no one ever was running late for work or conducting any kind of business who needed a the munsters head to mobiles competing mobiles. They had a Munster mobile and grandpa from the munsters grandpa Lewis head a drag you LA it was like a. Dragster a coffin dragster away. Yeah. Drag racing is dangerous enough. We don't have to build a cough, and although maybe it's a time saver, right? You know, what's going to happen? The same way about doing a coffin dragsters. I do about the guy who wear the firesuits with the flames on them like that sending a weird message. Yeah. Jinxing it. Rob zombie. Only reason this car exists is so they could use the word Dragulj. Right, right. But the munsters had a month Thurs mobile, even though they never left the house. Now, what group needed the mobile? The most kills. Kills like yesterday who was into cool rock banking? I don't get the part where it's like, well, it sounds like shit. But I'm scared. Okay. Very restaurant version of that to really drive at the fucking waiters will scare the shit out of you. Is he's singing happy or angry or scary is this called drag dealer unit is up top your head. This song was played a lot with a screening calls. Locked. We had a lot of requests this way. I don't get goule rock. I don't get girl rocked like, I don't get anime porn like what what? In a world where we have real horn. And in a world where we have Crosby Stills. Nash. Like, what what do we need goule rock what you would have to pay to see an actual octopus have set to the human duro? I know I don't get to see Marge Sinton analii raped by squid. I like music somehow ended up at k rock screening calls in the worst era. They rock music, biscuit, park and awesome. I was the worst the worst. All right. So Don, stirs, the munsters mobile was called the Munster coach. And and as you know, grand Powell Lewis was one of the most hateful guys I ever met my life. It was miserable. Let me take is miserable. I used to hang out of that guy's house in van Nuys because friends with this kid, I told you he hit me when we're in his vulva wagon Volvo wagons hit two times by two different. Parents who who else can literally say like if I ever run into Adrian Peterson's kids somewhere and a few years, I'm going to go. I get it your dad whoop with a switch pretty good. But if you ever been hit by more parents than your own who else can say, I've been hit whatever the number is. I've been hit by more of other people's parents, then my own it takes a village foreign exchange students, maybe the faster kids, but this is a very thin slice of the population. Yes, turn think seals think. Green beret best of the best of shitty childhood. Well, didn't you get back hand because you're making fun of the mom or your imitating her? Yeah. Referred six hit me who can remember her name. Now Lewis hit me to both in the same like, seventy two Volvo wagon. But anyway. Grandpa now, I caught him after that he didn't have much going on. It was after the munsters, but the munsters needed their mobile less than anybody. You know, Batman needed as mobile. Right. I mean, you need that for work. The car watch the somehow got going on damn nation. Now, I'll tell you why in a second. There's a big mobile damnation allies mobile now, we're looking at the damnation alley mobile a bunch of plywood and stuff, but George Parr drives it bub-bubba. It's called the land master the land master, I like the wheel action. All right. It's very very red. So now, an all terrain vehicle then. The people that needed the rig the most. But then didn't need it at all the Beverly hillbillies needed to get from Kentucky to Beverly Hills. And then what's once I got Beverly Hills that could've afford a Lincoln. Yeah. There's no reason to have a flatbed Ford f one fifty truck with granny strapped a wheel. Rocking chair all the way all the way from Kentucky or Tennessee can see that show. I was that they were in Beverly Hills and Alice money, but they could not part with their hillbilly ways. Despite having all the trappings of Beverly Hills. There was committed hopefully lifestyle the joke. Brian. Joke. I'm going to be using the cement pond, which we call swimming pool now. Yeah, they needed their Beverly Hills mobile, but they did not need it. Once they got Beverly Hills. That's that's what I will say the monsters didn't need there's at all because every single episode took place in their house signs. They never left their house every once in a while some school counselor somebody our Avon lady or something would come to the house and then do a fast motion run down the walkway and back into the straight. But they never road trips. They never left their house and grandpa never left the basement. So that guy was never he didn't need a drag you. All right. So I'm watching I'm watching I'm talking about damnation alley. And then I'm like man, Jan Michael Vincent was in that movie. And then I started thinking about Jan Michael, Vincent. He's still alive. He's seventy four. He's he's had limbs amputated he's in and out of rehab motorcycle accidents like the worst. And then I pause Bill paxton's dead. And then I thought what kind of universe? We living in packs in the best guy from weird science gone shit. And this guy's still alive. And I don't get me wrong. I wish they were both dead. But one of my what what kind of world, and all you need to know about life is there's nothing to know. There is no rhyme or reason there's no like oh you eat, right. And. God fearing now packs. Phil Hogg on Phil hartman's gone. Like, there's a few ways you can go for gin, Michael Linson read some of his highlights. Well, he was arrested for coke possession seventy seven. So he was a big answer in the seventies. And was also one of these, you know, he was kind of Brad Pitt before Brad Pitt was brand pet. Okay. I mean, if you're looking at a picture, Jan Michael Vincent for big Wednesday, or the world's grace athlete or Hooper with Burt Reynolds. Like, you're looking at picture Jan Michael Vincent now from nineteen sixty-nine. And when I say Brad Pitt before Brad Pitt. I'm talking about Brad Pitt. I'm not I'm not talking about. Oh, yeah. Poor man's Brad Pitt or anything. No. Jan Michael Vincent would give Brad with in his prime a real run for these shirts. Who's got their shirt off and looking better run for their money? Right. Yes. One hundred percent. He looks like Brad Pitt look at that hair. He's a good looking dude he was arrested for to Barbara eighty four and eighty five that though. Couple of felony charge in eighty six. He was acquitted of the lawyer argued the woman he assaulted tripped. Over a phone cord daunted herself into fist. Yep. Arrested for drunk driving in eighty eight. He avoided jail by going to read a cell phone. So. Myself. I got this charging degree fancy law degree tell me how to run my case. He paid three hundred seventy four thousand dollars to a former girlfriend in two thousand apparently physically assaulted her leading to a miscarriage he involved. Let's just slow down. There's so much. We unpack physically assaulting a woman and leading to a miscarriage. That's not a she pushed me, and I've trying to keep her away from me and she fell over because she was drunk that was battered about the belly. Yeah. Or something. But either way look if you're looking for little metoo moment. Well, there's no doubt out Franken's a monster. Battering. So until they have a miscarriage. That's that's up there news. Yeah. Now, not as bad is out Franken's or Matt Damon saying Al Franken's not as bad, but but still fill up obvious. Yeah. He's involved in three severe car accidents in the nineties. He broke three vertebrae in his neck. He also sustained injuries to his vocal cords which required immediate surgery left him with a raspy voice. He went to jail for sixty days in two thousand for violating probation. He had his leg. Amputated in twenty twelve. Due to complications from an artery disease and has a tax debt in the excess of seventy thousand dollars Bill packed or was married for thirty years and eight Hickam unto pushups every morning, call on gone in the ground. Let's life. I don't know. So their time show and tells you to put that cigarette out or like, what do you do that beaver ITO like I dunno. It just look at have it. So sorry about a minute. Michael. Oh, man. The bill's been in the ground for two years now. Are at least I guess I don't know coming up on two years. Grazie? Now, I don't know if we suss this out, but I do have I think I may have found beside good genes. I may have found. My Jan Michael Vincent thing. I think he lives in mala bell. And I don't think he lives in shares house. He may live in a trailer. But he lived in Malibu, I feel like Malibu tax on like fourteen years that everybody I know's out Malas. They never die. Maybe it's you don't wanna miss the next sunset. Maybe it's the air. Maybe it's whatever the fuck and schedule. I don't I don't know. But some I think he was out in Malibu, and I think if you took the average life expectancy of now they're in a different tax bracket. But if you just took mouth if you took there's a trailer park in Malibu that trailer park in Malibu and found a trailer park and seamy valley. I think he'd find it. Good seven to twelve years difference. You probably see in Malibu Maxx, patio. I mean, the thing is I'm seeing that he has a former house in Malibu, but I don't know where he is. Now could be like some facility or but I feel like every accident he's ever had been on PCH and by the landing the green room. Can I say this if I'm if I'm a publicist, I got two pieces of advice. I got a tech piece of advice. Stay off Twitter like don't fuck and have a couple of beers. And start tweeting tweet feeling that and stay off PCH. Nothing. Good happen to celebrity on a long list thing you got fucking head on collisions. You got Bruce. Caitlyn Jenner got Mel Gibson. Like, there's a million d-. You is a million accidents. Don't fuck and drive on go drive in the ocean, safer better. Chances UP would be you'll thank me. Pull off a PCH go out in the Pacific and literally drive in the fucking ocean. You'll have a better chance of getting home in one piece. Nothing good ever happened to a celebrity on PCH. You went to fucking bar, you hooked up with some college checks got drunk you rolled out aside. Call someone sugar tits. It never works. Seems senior Pepperdine. I my only advice if I was running a service, and I was publicised and they're like, well, how do we get? How do we get onto good morning? I don't fuck it. No, no puck and tweeting after two beers. And no PCH. You'll thank me later. Put the check in the mail. Thank you decades long. Very follows to all fucking need. So Jan Michael still around and Paxton accident gone onto and what else do we need to know about life people. That's the I if you saw a patent oswald's last stand up specialist right after his wife passed away air. It was it's a pretty tough. Listen of the yes. Yeah. The second half really focus is more on that. But he said that she always said because she was a crime writer. She we said, look, there's no we don't know. There's no patterns there's nothing. Life is chaos. Be kind life is chaos. Yeah. Well, said Rian Mike August ran into are probably weeks before she died in full health with. No, no, she was in a wheelchair and she's push McCarron. I was like ran like you like you would run into somebody. No waiting to get on a southwest flight somewhere to the bay area or this case tale like, hey, man. What are you guys doing? Hey, man, man. She was doing a crime thing like a cop convention, or whatever she's getting inside skin even. Okay. Well, there you go. That diner sleep. Yeah. I didn't really look into it. But I-, Jan Michael Vincent, still walks. Amongst us. It did seem at the time. Anyway, like totally freak thing. Yeah. Yeah. Something and sleep. All right. Let's see Irvine coming up tonight. Is you listen to this me up on stage with or not who the fuck knows way. The cosmic wind is blowing. Right. It's a long drive five being Dave. Never doing base cable commentary up they're tearing apart his movies airplane and showing what movies inspired it. I'm gonna start with twenty minutes to stand up, then we'll get into that. You can check out me doing Adam. Curls. Unprepared. Foxwoods February eighth and then Boston on the ninth Wilbur love that got deemed theater still looking for Corollas cuties. So check social media, Adam Corolla show and get up there and be our ballgirl. Yeah. I love that help us play the game. All right. I've found something that I think Vinnie toward rich would hate. But Dawson, I may found your new go-to snack. Okay. These are what the served on the jets. We'd X flights and it. So here's the deal. Everyone. Your mouth will never lie. Mouth will never lie that come down the thing. That's right. Then she care say that. Exactly what she that come down come down the the aisle, and they're like would you like some pretzels nano and pretzels how about veggie chips? Veggie chips. I'm intrigued the word veggie before chip. Look at them the green and their own JR. Exactly Vinnie B R right with veggie chips. You're not gonna do chips, not doing Pringles potato chips or barbecue tortilla chips, but veggie chips. What would be so wrong with veggies? So I'll have the veggie chips. And then you open the veggie chips and you start eating. I mean, you go cat in these things, crunchy salty, man, there's almost fucking. I mean, I love the sea salt vinegar ones. And I love a barbecue laser whatever. But this is just a half a notch below that. And so much better for you. Oh my God. Now, I get all the benefits of eating vegetables and delectable chip. Now. I get the part every once in a while when people would take like a sweet potato and turn it into a chip or something. Crunchy that really crunchy version of what it is. But it doesn't taste like a potato chip these vegetables, man, they must have some sort of alchemy going on over there because they've turned vegetables and things that are fucking delightful. I'm going to buy some of these to get to the ground because when I have a craving at Costco, or a healthy snack handing it to Jean and she can read the ingredients in the veggie ships. And then we'll figure out if we want to get the same attorneys that worked on the green machine juice up onto the veggie tip people. The first half of these would make Venise head explode here. The ingredients veggie chips in order potato flour. Taking potato chips and ground them in flour starch extract. All parts of something that I believe he hates expelled pressed safflower oil salt sugar. All right now, just stop at there. We've already. Named a veggie. And also remember by the time, you get down to ever broccoli is a by the time you get proportional when you're done. I would argue that when you're done with the first three on any ingredients, you're done to trace ingredients down to trace agree and oil when you get down to five or six you're out done with all right, whatever's coming next is less than their assault and lessen their sugar land significantly like number one is ninety two percent of whatever it is number seven point three percent or whatever so start against sugars potato flour potato starch expelled pressed safflower oil salt sugar, then tomato paste which sugar catch up by the way three fair. That's just to give it a color piss, orange one turmeric, which is very anti inflammatory. So I'm sure you can eat all the chips you want spinach powder. And beat root powder. These are color. Sure. One spinach colored and ones technically say, there's something that has to do with the vegetable and this chip that's outrageous now, look, but to be fair guess much proteins in it. That's okay. I don't wanna look I'm I'm not a big government guy. But if you're gonna call something veggie something, and you're going to show, the different color chips, and people are sitting on a flight, we shouldn't have to get out of fucking attorney dietitian and jeweler sloop ticket to the bottom of this. I'm just going to say it needs to have fifty percent of whatever you're calling it. Yes. Would be fair to lead with veggie suggests also I am not clear, and you guys who are listening might be able to shed some light on it. But you think if you got Vinny in the room and said, hey, I just went ahead and got these high end potato chips like sea salt and vinegar, and whatever like a better a kettle chip or something would I be better off just eating potato chip or this veggie chip, I think because it starts off with potato powder potato s and essence and sugar. And this is basically the spam of chips. I think he'd probably go just fucking. Heddle cheeser Preston formed and then in which case you would enjoy it more. Okay. I how are they? Well, the reason they tasted good the reason. I tasted good is because they were all potato chips. You would never eat it over your high end kettle chip. But in your mind, you're like for vegetables, this is pretty damn good. Like, it's like if somebody said. Surfin turf for eleven dollars. And you're eating it going. Oh, this is good. This is really good. And then at some point they went oh sorry hundred eleven dollars. No, not so good. Good. Like, that's how I think. I think it would work daughter. Who is this is a call. You must take. Oh, the guy was the daughter of Alan Vint who was the actor in earthquake who went into RAF up the. Yeah. Mega. Yeah. Mine away your dad ripped is his look off from link from the mod squad die recklessly white link. He's the missing white link. Sorry. Earthquake. Now, you're twenty nine. Yes. So earthquake you weren't born. When quite came out. Now, this was before my time and your damage lame. Dad was an actor. Is an actor actually both my my dad, and my uncle were actors in that movie and both of them. Unfortunately, were in that clip. Okay. So let's let's unpack this Irwin. Allen made big time. Your dad died. No six. In. Jan Michael Vincent still ally gets to live. So you're all right. So Irwin Allen was the biggest guy in town because he made the biggest blockbuster disaster movies, hence, the earthquake the towering inferno. I think the Poseidon adventure is run out. Or when our was a big deal. So being an Irwin Allen movie was a big deal is your was your dad white fella. How in name only. Hey sister. Let me tell you something as as as as a child of a white man with a massive fro Jim Corolla in his prime had a fucking huge fro-. I feel you. Now, you're young girl. Do you have to go out to the Brazilian blowout bar every ten minutes? Do I know I don't have that luxury. You don't have enough money or you don't care or you might see. I I mean, that would be awesome. But now enough money, but he wearing a wig. Yeah. Wait a minute. Why would you put the guy in a wig? The same. I don't why did you kind of make him black. All right. So your dad blog the movie earthquake. Why was your dad and in the movie earthquake? I couldn't tell you that. I I mean, I know that you know, he went out for the role. I didn't even know my uncle's in it until I heard that clip on your show. And I was like that sounds like a really familiar voice, and I looked up and saw that it was my uncle who I have no relationship to. But. Yeah, I know voice. Very well. Hell vintage Jesse Vint which one was it the homophobe the homophobe in the scene. So my uncle was the one that was a homophobe. Okay. And my dad was wearing afro got it does all its is to be fair when the guy dresses like GI, Joe puts on blonde wigs he is in its nineteen seventy four is kind of calling attention to himself. You know, we weren't as well back. Then this your dance your dad star and other movies. Yeah. He and his brothers were actually there in quite a movies back in the seventies. One of them being Clinton, Karen Tito's like favorite films. So he had quite a little bit of a legacy. But you know, you know, I've only heard stories he died when I was, you know, pretty young. But that that story about earthquake has haunted me day. And I couldn't believe, you know, my husband reached out to me and said, you know, what was that movie that that your dad played black guy earthquake ings is no way they're talking about on Adam Curle. I'm like, no, there's no way. No one knows that movie. So we should play the clip again for your dad going Turkey, homo. Messes very. Audience needs a contacts earth wedding. What years earthquake seventy four four seventy four credits. He was in badlands that Terrence Malick movie, and he was also in the panic in needle park. Hold on a second as much credit well playing being Margot Marjo Gorgan winter stupid name guys in is weird housing project with barbells. Joe Wieder posters and all this homoerotic guys. These guys walk in. More fun. Look, I told us FANG say Jodi is. Fag, johnny. I'd have been up here before couldn't use the money. Good. If you go to gay guys apartment, you get paid. Is that what is insinuating? I don't know. How it works? Megan. Yeah. Dad must have been fairly young when he passed, right? How does he he was sixty one? Oh my God. Bill packs, sixty one I'm not kidding. You. She scam. Christ Bill Paxton. Don't answer that what we love that. I wanna know your dad's birthday. Then I November eleventh. Maybe daughter. It's forty four. All right. So packs and was born in forty four. Because their same age died. Right. Right. That part checks out. My God this guy had no six. Oh, sorry. Sorry that up paxon's fifty five screw that up panel. He was fifty five packed. I was born in nineteen fifty five post sixty one did your dad live a hard life. Yeah. Actually, unfortunately, he really did. You know? But like see lived on. Oh, yeah. No nary day goes by with a Spang on to the guy with the Giuffre gas. Call the guy. So I'm actually I am at work. But I wanted to tell you a funny story about earthquake. And why he was dressed that way. You know, can't come back to Hami because like I said he's been dead for twelve years, and these these don't reflect mine whatsoever. Underside basically, he went out for this part. And they asked him when he came to shoot the film to come dress as criminal, and what they would say what he would think that looks like let's see rabbi Asian go. What are we go? Director. I guess got a big kick out of it and said it was perfect. And they ended up using it in the film simpler times now. He didn't do it had a lot of work after that. But the joke's on him because he looks like a very sort of sexy. Lenny Kravitz, hipster. Yeah. I know you're at work, but I'm reading further here on Wickham pedia, and you actually are mentioned he had three daughters. All of whom are actresses at least, according to Kapiti, are you an actress have you done acting. You know, that was like when I was I stopped actually shortly after he died grown up in the valley somewhere. Right. Yeah. The smells like found north Hollywood van. Where'd you grow up? You hit it right on the north Hollywood and studio city, and then I still I live over in Sunland now with my husband and my kids valley girl, a smell ham north Hollywood. I grew up in north Hollywood. Where'd you guys? Grow up north Hollywood. My dad lived over by Hunga and more park. They're going to hung on Moore park. No. Well, all right. Well, he's going to be missed. But again, we pay tribute to here on Adam Corolla show, and you now you just got a regular job now. Yeah. I with adults and individuals disabilities now and. Do you have a Blu Ray or DVD earthquake? It's kind of weird. Why not I feel? It's gettable. I know that now that is honestly a lot of his films. They needed our net flicks. And so okay, just you know, I have a couple of them like making county line. I haven't made a count. Yeah. That was a big one. All right. Yeah. You making county line. Oh, yeah. No. I remember your daddy. Went is Jamaican, Anna. Arrest? Not. Yeah. Dad doing that? Oh, an elderly Hispanic woman. That's right. I recognize your dad now. Okay. All right. Thank you doing fan. Doing the large work making county line was a was it big was a biggest film back from the back in the seventies. Very seventies type film and earthquake worth a watch. A because you see Chuck Heston at the most Chuck Heston, e he was very showed the height of Chuck Heston NIST like he did Chuck cast and doing Chuck Casten. And he had this crazy relationship is wife was like Ava Gardner something. But it's like she did that move like she did like movie drinking where it'd be like. It'd be like eight forty five in the morning. She'd being full make us down her hair all be hived. And then she'd walk over to the bar and pull the big goblet things Kanter out start pouring herself. And he'd like walk buying a little early for that. Isn't it my day or a full blown alcoholic disco? Pour yourself a big, bro. Cutty Sark in the morning. I gotta get down on the firm and Lauren green like own. The architecture firm was I think it was a guard. Was Eva guard wasn't Ava Gardner was one of those big time movie. A little pastor prime actress. Oh, it's always. Yeah. No, she's not going to be an Irwin Allen fucking film, playing out Kahal ick. Wife who is being cheated on by Chuck Heston on the last. She's a little pastor prime. Do we got her great? Can we find her check? All right, ready early in the film. Max paddle by little time. Thank you early in the film. Ava Gardner, like Chuck has thin when he's getting up like going on a jog and she's getting up and like drinking or something. And he's having one of great. I don't know why. But those domestic disputes in the totally seventies out houses. Like the shag carpet everywhere like think casino sunken living room. You got it. All right, right. Right. Right. Just got the cool. Right. She's pill-popping and drink, and he's whatever. And. Yeah. All right. Let me tell you. I about. See lows. That's why one say craftsman new home for I mean, lows new home for craftsman their clothing their new v twenty cordless power to align of one battery system works on multiple products. Two four six eight tool combo kits available with all the to an pie capacity lithium batteries at work with all of man run time, you need the power you deserve v. Twenty brushless tools available. The have the max brushless drill. There's the impact driver. Please get an impact driver human beings. I am telling you will change your life and make sure you get the craftsman one and get the hammer drill. Got a little masonry where proudly made in the USA and Charlotte North Carolina for the latest in craftsman products updates. Visit lows dot com slash Adam. That is Lowe's dot com slash lows new home for craftsman love me, some craftsman. Yes. Jean? We talked about Lorne Greene singing singing, Bing radio Ringo. Do you know he's saying sixteen? Tonnes shirked tons and get another day. Deeper in debt saying. Go to the company's still wonder. Oh, well, all right. Can you find that? You're looking for it. I mean, this it has to be it. It's great because she's wearing like three Gand. She's wearing full I make up full hair full makeup. Did it's like seven forty five in the morning, and she's getting into it with Chuck and a lot of paneling. Shucks, working out. Your last words last night. Very I agree with this morning. Don't you think you ought to do something about expanding vocabulary? You expand test. Enough exercise jogging this morning. Ties. I'm going to try breakfast this morning fine. Not it's ready. The news marshals boy asked me for an autograph football going to drop it off in the way to the office. And you played football and sixteen. Binge. Everybody's. Anyway, it's the bull. Frank Gifford sign. That's the signatory really want. Peculiar? Almost amusing. Would've Brian Marshall comes back into town after seven months and you rush off without even so much as a Cup of coffee. But if I asked you stuff off the market pick up a hill lettuce for you. I find some excuse hold on a second. Can I make this you guys tell me? His there ever been a guy with a less. Impressive physique. Now. I'm not saying Chuck has has a bad physique. But he's not the rock. He's kind of like an average Bill guy. He's half naked in every single movie single scene. He does. And it's weird because he's not fat. No fine. But there's a reason he needs to have his shirt off and like every single scene. Like, it's like it was weird thing. It was like Chuck cast, and it's showing off those guns. Now the shirts coming off. And it was it would perpetuate itself. Like, we're doing a Chuck Heston movie this documentary about a school that burned out. All right takes shirt off. I'm just doing via work for sure. The rule like we've been in the scene for thirty seconds checks shirt came off its second eleven unclear much of it to begin with. It's fine. Very well built guy. All right. Sorry. We find the one where she's porn yourself drinking or we keep going. Thank you can find that. When I feel like she's got it back toward the bar go she was acting her ass off. They're both with a lot of acting in the scene. Enough. It wasn't seven thirty in the morning. I would have a drink. What what did you say? I said, I didn't know you clock watcher, don't you dare loyal place to be. What's this all about? I know you I've been nineteen. I know of all tempt you feel for me. The though the boys Rivi. You'd hardly colors their age. This is like you Christine where she gets in a gallon does four hours of makeup and hair at seven thirty up like that. And it's another down over her down. Let's go night count. But yes, she follows you into the workout room scraping damn when you're doing thing punching the air. Good away Kristie put on her mid Atlantic accent. How dare you live with a macaw that someone who screamed God damnit when I went to bed and then again in the morning. Leaving for work. Let's see if she has a drink. Why did max patta? Why did she just walk into the scene and screamed God damn as loud as she could to imply they've been fighting all night. Then first thing in the morning. Okay. Yeah. I mean that was the beginning of the seen it. It was him jogging. He was jogging on Mojo on ever lived with an alcoholic often. How your I'll be on the damn good bit of writing. I think he has God damnit next thing. He says tell you go to bed and wake up saga. That's out there. Now putting a time on and he's heading into the architecture firm. See if she's still badgering him. Romy? Leaving drives a custom Bronco. Like, a Silverado or something? Pass that. Jesus christ. How hard you hit of I'll even the out on the pad. Pop pills, drink it. Did she ask rating turn five or shakers lower? Broker C four vertebrae. The call Bulow shit, all the weeds all vanity. Look at the gym Shane in the room graph. Don again. I think we'll get faster action. If you me. Of course. Get over every morning. That's not even eight thirty by the way. Oh. Trevor wakes. Wait a minute. Him shaking. Violently didn't make but a five point two eight five whether it's hands God shuker all right now, she showed up. Gino's a cry for help I think so all right during anyway, this supposed to be a big budget disaster movie about an earthquake. There's a lot of stuff going on in this probably unnecessary necessary team, clump. You guys got to watch your band. That was some heavy seventies acting and decor make wood-pannelling, man. God damn it. What's another movie that tonight Irvine infra? Oh, that's right. Commentary. We should switch it Bryk. Sucker. I'll tell them when we hit the stage. Don't give them a heads up. All right. We'll take quick come comeback with the RJ bell. And we'll get all the odds and all the Oscars right after this. Thursday night at the improv. Don't miss the basic cable commentary of airplane, something to do you have anything lied. How about this leaflet famous Jewish sports Jains? Join Adam Corolla and special guest, David Sukkur for an inside look at the movie with its creator surely can be serious. I am serious. Don't call me, surely and the basic cable breakdown without them Garol you ever seen a grown man naked Thursday night. Irvine improv basic cable commentary airplane picked the wrong week when I'm fed image. Get your tickets at Adam Corolla dot com. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event chest of drawers, there's this storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in watch rob com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? I just gotta scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the gyco insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Call gyco to see how a Ford -able homeowners insurance can be. It's time to check Adams mail. Stop by gas station. The other day picked up the Kito dropped it on the ground. Take that bitch up and eight it on the spot low show, you can leave us a message at eight six three four one seven four four. I don't want to be a one up or but about forty five minutes ago. I dropped a fully threats rig atoning right on the floor out here that EMMY gave me and pick that bitch right up aided. Upper means. Yeah. It's a sort of dueling greatness. I guess is what I would how I would call it courtesy blow off the point at that point. But the rigatoni had a lot of spaghetti sauce on it just dropped it made a noise when it hit like a middle splat noise. I picked that bitch right up. I love that shape pasta. All right, RJ bell is on. Let's Pugh him up. A R J thoughts. Adam number one. I always wondered what would it be like hanging out with you on Tuesday night. You know, maybe nine thirty at night. You guys watching that Charleston has the movie I think we got a flavor of it. Yeah. That first off it you take three and a half hours to get through this. You wouldn't even get through act one. There is so much going on in that movie. There is there is God the guy played. Shit. Richard Roundtree, the guy who played shaft guy played shaft as a motorcycle daredevil, and he's gonna do a loop to loop on a motor cycle. And oh, yeah. It's it's crazy. So many sub stories Karen black in the hood it every movies in there. There's oh. Oh, speaking airplane night shit at night. Now. God I wanna think of Kennedy George Kennedy, George Kennedy plays a cop in it. All right. He's going down to down to a bar and hanging out. And it's all right, anyway, what are you? Let's let's plays intro. We'll get to these movies. It's. Jays par lay presented like that DAS with Vegas insider, RJ bell. So we'll talk Super Bowl next week. Wait, let's go back and visit the play offs. How did that turn out? What happened? Well, I tell you this is a lesson for the kids out there. I was feeling pretty full myself. You know, sixty five plus percent season. How can you lose? I'm in Vegas with Adam. I'm looking over one of my broadcast and heroes. I'm like, I'm picking both games. I know I say you shouldn't do it. There's only two games. But who how can I lose? I'm RJ bell. That's what went through my mind. Oh into oh. And into the pants were when I say, well, never combatants the pats. Can't you how you when you do it usually comes back to bite ya? What are the pats? Well, we'll get into the Super Bowl next week. Let's let's let's focus. On the Oscars. How much action is there for the Oscars in Vegas? Let's say relative to the Super Bowl so in Vegas Nevada zero. It's not legal to bet on the Oscars did not it's very limited here in Nevada when it comes to anything that's vote because they feel that could be corrupted. So like MVP is something for a long time. They didn't even allow like NFL MVP now they do. But it's really just rare exceptions of that kind of thing Oscars. No. But in Europe, it's humongous. I mean European books and the online books, but especially in Europe tons and tons of batting, and I'll have the stat for you before the Oscars, but it some variation on the the six biggest categories the favorite has won over. Let's say the last five years thirty different events at say five years six categories. It's twenty eight and two that the favourite has won twenty eight out of thirty times or some close variation. So the odds are super predictive of who's gonna win. So that would mean to the layperson bet on the favorite and each category or minimum. You know, what Oscars would hate is the idea in let's use this as an example is often times with some of the acting categories. You've got a gigantic favor. So for example, let's take a gander here to. So you've got for the director, for example, the the Roma director is minus eight hundred. So the odds of that director not winning is like fifteen percent. So the idea that is big category. And there's going to be a big, you know, after this commercial break here comes back director. But really the say it's eighty five percent. Plus, it's going to be the Rama director, citing. In general. It's not so much. You should all the favorites. But you shouldn't bet underdogs. If you do that only select amongst the favorites and look for the ones you offer value because if you are looking for under dogs, they vary rarely win. Just because I do this. Every time minus eight hundred means bed one hundred bucks and get what? No. So it's well easier way to say it is when it's normal to to one it's one to win two hundred wins you two hundred but when it's minus a number so say, minus eight hundred it's eight hundred wins you one hundred while that's a. Boys at a big favourite. Is it moving? Or when they weather five, you know, may whether was in the minus five hundred range right right against McGregor. Five wins. You one right? Is it Brian? You saw Roma. It wasn't released in theaters right throw theatrical runs so for the Oscars. Qarora quarter. Is it very respected director very well directed movie. I don't know how compelling the movie is. But it's technical masterpiece. It's the sound is amazing. And he's really respect heated gravity. You did that children of men of these respected movies? So yeah, look for him to possibly when did you? Did you see it and go that was the best directed moving? No, no, no. I think stars born is a better directed movie Braddock or not up for best director. So that there goes my battle net one. But Spike Lee is a sneaky candidate to win best director guy who's never. Been nominated a alone. One could be kind of a. Korans been there before like, he's a razor respected. I think he may have been one if I'm doing the did he do the revenue Sarma asking nobody anyone point is he's a guy who's well known as been rewarded and awarded throws career. A Spike Lee hasn't so maybe a long shot, maybe maybe worth couple of bucks. And Spike Lee is the second favourite at ten to one. And I think this is interesting actually in in February Rolling Stone, the first edition, they interviewed me about the Grammy odds, and there's going to be a little story about it. But one of the things we discussed was politically the progressive woke. However, you want to describe it. It seems like almost every category of the Grammy's, and I would say probably the Oscars now that the most progressive story seems to be surging right, obviously Roma of very progressive story. Green book you can make the same case the two best picture favorites. So in general directionally, if you would've looked at the odds a few months. Ago. It seems like the more woke movies it's trending at direction. Well, that's the way we're I guess society. Cisco in that way, or our society is Hollywood at minimum are, oh, well, that's true. Because Hollywood is the most woke out of all society's. So that's going to factor in quite heavily. And I imagine. When Trump is done by hook or by crook. When he's out of the office will probably take our foot off the woke exceleron or pedal little bit. But we'll still be in Hollywood and still be a factor. But if we get Kamala Harrison there, it'll probably be a little bit. Okay. We can get back to whatever we need wherever we were before. If you don't mind, I mean, you're sociological take always interests me is if we let you say starting nineteen sixty and say would point has ever been a step backwards with progressiveness? Meaning if you're saying is, yeah, maybe things will slow down in the direction, we're moving, but has ever been a time that there's been a backwards step when it comes to consensus across, you know, there might be little subgroups that saying oh sick of this, and we're gonna rebel against it. But as a country seems like we always move in that Durant. Well, you know, the word is progressive and the word is movement. Now, both suggests going forward and continuing going forward, I tell you I was in my fucking kitchen, and I was standing there with Lynette and her friend Jodi like five years ago, and I went I'm changed my name to Jules dash, and they're like what? And I was like I'm Jay my name that you'll stash. Like why? And I was like Adam Karol is not going to work for shit anymore. Like, I'm not gonna get into Sunday or get my Napa to racked anything or. No fucking good way. And then I went I'm taking my name Joel's. Dash and my my friend limits. Jody like started laughing like get the fuck outta here. And I went I'm kinda serious. I'm kinda serious like it would make a big difference. And she said. She said it's Joel's dash. I don't even if that's a man or woman. I went accept that. Exactly, Jamie Foxx change. They fuck. That's right. I know that going Jamie Foxx because if on a list of comedians to go up on the open mic night, or whatever gender and big us'. So, you know, you're more likely to choose your over and Davidson nother award con ours. Your grandma and say can she's sorry. Yeah. We're just gonna keep moving forward. But. So I think the progressives did a heck of a job rebranding themselves. It was liberal which kind of had a stink on it. And progressive sounds like well who doesn't wanna be progressive. Well, I I think if we're taking a turn toward the politics here. I think I think of myself as a liberal, and I think most people who are traditionally liberal have liberal thoughts. The progressive sort of laughed movement is not in my mind, doesn't embody many liberal thoughts. So I think you can be liberal and not be left at the same time. And maybe you can be both. But I do think some of the thoughts on the left who claim some of the actions claimed to be liberal or more left than than liberal. But let's not get mired in that. Let's let's let's pick out a couple give us give us a couple of picks for Oscar parties that you you think are strong. Are. So we'll call these polemic Mary picks. Let's not lock anything in here. But to me, I think that even money Roma is a heck of a bat because you can make there's has been some blowback, and that's another thing to consider where is the controversy. So for example, the billboard movie that was popular and. Here. There was some blowback. Oh that one scene was a little too sympathetic to the racist. And then when that happens the movies get in trouble in the in the green book, I don't know if you guys have seen it has gotten some blowback that maybe it's a little anachronistic, and and a little dated simplistic, it's a really good movie, but it's not sharp fantastic film. Now, we know a star is born is going to struggle 'cause it's hard to make you know, if anything it's gotten feedback though, I thought it was an amazing theater experience. You know, there's movies. It's probably pretty much the same on your big TV at home. But boy a star is born. I actually saw I'm act. It was just an overwhelmingly great experience. Yeah. They they had it out for a week on. I'm actually while back is that was that your favorite film of the year. Well, I tell you it was right up there. I actually I'm kind of not like, I'm not as taking Brian on the, you know, the film stuff 'cause super sharp at it. But I'm a big fan. Like, I came to LA a few maybe six weeks ago and Cold War, which the guys up for best director it had its US premier. And I was able to see that. I love the arty movies. And I didn't Cold War probably was my favorite. It's a polish movie, but amongst though wide releases in America. I'd say a star is born Brian's, I agree with RJ, and that of these eight films up for best picture stars born head and shoulders above the rest for where are you Gina grants. I didn't see all of them. But I I saw few and I was disappointed by ones that people said you have to see this right now a star is born was so impactful and such a sweeping amazing. I be really disappointed if. Didn't win. I. I saw Black Panther black klansman and black guy on the stoop from. It's really a white guy. So I can't vote for him. Black Panther good. But you know, it's a comic book movie. This is a -firmative action. I'm I'm assuming since no other movies, a good one. But they don't nominate average Compaq moving. They don't nominate comic book movies tell now. So that's a -firmative action. Black klansman was pretty good. But not as good as could've been bohemian rhapsody. I saw which is you know, the music's great and the performance great. But not a very good movie. And I have not seen the rest of them. So I show report back to you. And I am going to go with a stars born based on Brian's and them for my favorite movie of the year. Even though I didn't RJ. Oh, I'm sorry. How about this for a long shop that what do you think about Sam Elliott for best supporting actor because mar Herschel Ali who's the favorite one year or two ago for moonlight? He's been there. He's gotten the the award same. Elliot's had a great career career achievement type thing the Oscars like Tina, sometimes reward that anything about that value bet. I think if you look at a directional odds stars born is the movie that's dropped the most in the last two months. It was really up there as one of the favorites to win best picture. And now, it's all the way down to ten to one and even with the actors and directors you mentioned, right? You saw for sure that Bradley Cooper should've had at least nomination. So it just feels like politically with to you know, white stars. And you know, it really is an old time seventy story. It's like the guy could have been Allman brothers. You know, Bradley Cooper. And it just doesn't feel very two thousand nineteen now that doesn't bother me. Me. Right. But I think some of the voters it does I will say one thing about that movie. If you don't mind, and I think it speaks to Adam. And and quite frankly, all you guys, you know, think of the things you guys have done that's been the first time. Meaning when Atta made his first movie he dealt with a thousand things that he never dealt with before. And he was willing to grind through them. And that's the only way you're going to be ever do something different or special is you've got to deal with it the first time. And when I look at Bradley Cooper and think this is a guy that looks up to clean as what he wants to emulate his career. And now he wants to start directing like Eastwood, did I think it was yellow Josey wells was I would have been one of those early ones is the idea that he grounds through that as a grinder and made a a minimum very, I think a great movie, but very good movie. And then the idea that lady Gaga has never acted and she figured out how to do it for the first time, and she's a nominee to me. There's a great message in that movie. For people that want to try things they've never tried. And you would think people successful as Cooper and lady Gaga wouldn't need to do that. And they don't and they still did it. And for me, I admire it, let's see that hack. Bradley Cooper, two fulltime morning radio. Fucking movie. Make being starring in a move writing movie miserable doing morning radio every day hot. And then going to shoot after that. Although we started the day. I had a two week break. What are you complaining about the kid? Yeah. It only got us halfway and then my kids were born right then too. But I just room money at that. Danny god. One thing. I wanted to ask you, so rode hard would your second movie only played played in Vegas for one week at the dollar theater. Like, we've got a second run theater. Right. Couple of them. But they never hardly ever have a movie for the first time eating it didn't play anywhere else in town. But you're rode hard played here for one week at the discount theater. And I was there. God love yard, Jay bell. But I it just see. Wow. Did they I don't know if you guys negotiated a special deal, but it was it was unusual backroom conversation Weinstein. This is pre all the allegations. We stormed innovativeness and. Yeah. Here's how the negotiation win. Is there? Fifty cent theater. Have dollar theater. Talk about that whether rumors to the concessions. Got all the Mike and Mike money. All right. Let's let's wrap this up RJ bell. We'll play your player outra. Well, we don't have any hard pixes this this particular week you do. For the Oscars. Yes. All right. RJ's parlay presented that DS. And also, we'll get some Super Bowl picks as well. For next week. Thanks J. Thanks. Appreciate it. I will tell you guys about bet. The sl dot com. Look for place to do little Benton during the Super Bowl. Sure, you can bet on the game. You can also bet on every play as well bet. D sl has live betting throughout the entire game. Played out to the final whistle also ban on over. Jeez. I'm trying to think. To get Tony Romo and bet on every play right five hundred Super Bowl prop, it's five hundred Super Bowl prompt pets like the coin toss results national anthem length. The halftime show antics and more joint decide com today. 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Porfirio Rubirosa (Entry 1087.1K1210)

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Yeah not doing it like an Antonio Bandera. If you just want to sit there and be like Roosa- roosa- Porfirio Rube arrose. I always think of what does that. From oh Richard. Mark in the old murder on the Orient Express never says never tried to save poirots name right. He's always like Mister Perot. Ross Perot Mister Perot. I need you to guard my train Kinda like that. You're going to turn into why guy that doesn't try to. Let's say for the opposite of that I know. Do you remember last year when Quincy Jones. Music Legend Quincy Jones started given those weird interviews to everybody. Yes super crazy takedown interviews. Where he was like Michael Jackson was a fraud? He said things like I know who killed Kennedy. He he said I was there. When Marlon Brando had sex with Richard Pryor Talked about how the Beatles I need to go back and read these interviews. uh-huh I'm intrigue. He's sort of a role model for me. Well he said the Beatles were all bad musicians right. I remember that might be a deal killer for you. Know th th there. There are differing opinions on that. I think he's very super duper wrong. But he's Quincy Jones. He's entitled to. I know exactly it does it. Your Quincy Jones. Eighty the governor's off the mouth. Right you can say whatever and you've got stories in particular. I mean they're all kinds of if you go on the guitar player forums. There are so many people that are like Kurt. COBAIN was terrible musician. It's like yeah. Okay Steve vise a good musician but who would rather like actually drove spend a weekend with absolutely Steve Vai but well especially today true flood. It's too dark couch. Unless you're P towns leaving those comments I think you should leave well enough alone you know. Yeah you know one name that dropped in those interviews that the probably did not make the headlines was the man that Quincy Jones were rumored as the king of the playboys. He remembered his time. I spent nightclub hopping with dawn portfolio. Ruby Raw. He's the world's most interesting man. He is in effect the most interesting a man in the world. There's there's ever been a real life analog of the kind of Suave Latino Guy we've seen commercials who has seen it done everything it would be in the Mid Twentieth Century Playboy man about town Porfirio Rubio saw quite sounds like my kind of guy I think you you guys have a lot in common Quincy Jones remembered him in the interview this is this is the eighth word summer he gives in the interview. Amazing man what a guy eleven inch. Well it's about time we did a show like this. You don't want to be too delicate because I know the future. Lynx may have they may be theory may be sentient. I my guess they would have little patience for our obsession with like flesh. Lee matters like there there are a higher sort of see what you're saying. And perhaps they're listening with their the`real a UH be children sure they're gonNA have to cover their their gases right but we I mean we're famously A show that doesn't do very many any swears. But we do talk about matters of the flesh when they're unavoidably attached to history as they often are right and it's really. It's really hard to divorce. How many kinds three or four primal urges humankind why not sure from from although the wars and treaties and social movements and trends? Is that followed right. If you like our cereal like progeny. Are they probably laugh at all of our endeavors because all we do is make war and Rut and every once in a while. Somebody Co writes a good melody. I mean they probably just think of Porfirio Rivera the way we do. And we like the way we snicker when we hear some scientists theory about how dinosaurs did it right they did. Yeah you know what. I'm what I'm GonNa love about this episode. Most is all hearing all of your Mormon euphemisms for sex. I'm a freelancer. We did not invent did did it. Nobody ever said doing it before the Mormons were like. But I haven't heard Hamson pork boiling. See why are they come. The eighteen comedies. These are these are not from sort out. From Sundays I hate to the quincy. Jones's memories of Porfirio appear to be They were no secret at the time. I guess like his his his fantastic physical attributes were were well known at the time. Milton Berle exactly famously endowed. Yeah and didn't mind showing pretty much much all the things that. Although depraved things that Middle America thought were happening in the entertainment industry. Were actually happening. Isn't that amazing. During this time when everybody else was I was going to church and had to like you know you couldn't say a piano had legs because that would be to say stilts or something like people on the Coast Milton Berle really it was just unzipping at Sardis. Yeah showing everybody. You know my mom when I talked. Because she was so contemporary of of that whole time and when I talked to her about the rat pack and that Vegas seen the show business at the time she says like Nice. People didn't like that music. That was that that's culture. That now seems to stand in for your early sixty S. She's like those were gangsters and they were that was gangster stir culture. And if you liked it you were it was. It was low brow. That is so funny it plays now. Is this like swath of pretty much scooby. Dooby Doo is that even even true wants Kennedy isn't the White House and like all. These people are actively American diplomatic. Yeah it was really. I mean as far as she was concerned it was a day classic culture and Kennedy was slumming for reasons of his own but she was like all of them. You know. Even Sammy Davis. She was like he's a gangster. They're they're they're performing for gangsters lose its gangster money and it's it's it's it's gangster music which obviously has a little bit of like anti Italian talion overtones to her ideas right or her cultural ideas. Italians want us to make Nigga stop telling gangster jokes. I need to stop hearing the Godfather theme. Every time I go into a pizza like every time I go some place to eat Tortellini. I'm going to here then. I the Italian anti-defamation League cannot say it. It's funny though when she describes growing up in Ohio in the thirties yes she said you know we didn't really have there. Were no black people in her part of Ohio Western. Ohio and there were no Jews so all of our racism was directed. Catholics Right Catholic relief on Sammy Davis first appeared on the scene. Could broaden her scope. Well she was she. She was liberally minded but But yeah interesting to think that there was even in the late sixties there still would have been an intact Italian or Latin culture. I I don't know if bureaucracy was intact. Sorry I'm just a little boy. History is killer does not relate kicks to the spleen. These remarks Sinatra did hang Hang out with Sinatra and the rat pack guys. He apparently taught. Sammy Davis how to kiss a woman's hand in his patented Latin manner was he was. He An aristocrat kind of but look. Let's let's get into his origin story. Sinatra this story about Sinatra's Sinatra asking him Ruby. Everybody called him Ruby really. Why don't you have a job like what are you? What do you do for a living? And he said women are living he. He considered romancing the best and the brightest of the Western Hemisphere His full-time job and Quincy Jones's memories. Stories of his anatomy are backed up by trimming capote of all people in his memoirs and His nickname in Paris apparently was to choose your pret- always always ready the motto of the Coast Guard. You can interpret that as literally as you want. But he was. He was good to go under. Under any circumstances Arkham stances leave on women on my leaving and the women can the women the list of the women pretty much is the list the list you would making your head. Ava Gardner Jayne Mansfield old for Annika Lake Marilyn Monroe Rita Hayworth Joan Crawford. Judy Garland if there was any garland. I just walked the Judy Bio uh-huh pick and it's all about her last marriage to this kind of twenty eight year. Old Sketchy Entrepreneur Guy but the funny thing is the movies very Shaya about it like it really doesn't want us to imagine older woman and a younger man even now after fifty years of of movies of you know seventy year old men with Catherine Zeta Jones right like it really thinks we're going to be a little squeamish. Different Izzo Egger and are a little too passionate in their hotel room anyway. I Judy Garland had no problem with with a younger trade. Younger Classic Guy and Ruby was just apparently a genius. Josh Gabor would come back and find her Hotels filled with flowers. And a note that said you are the most beautiful woman in the world you know signed signed signed portfolios minister plenipotentiary of the Dominican Republic. Oh so he was a Dominican diplomatic. He was he was a macho. He kind of created the Macho archetype of the swamp. Latin man that has persisted to this day. Did he talk. Like Antonio Antonio Banderas are we. Are we going to do his voice as Antonio Bandera absolutely going to do is just kind of doing Ricardo Montalban okay. That's a good one but I'm GonNa absolutely say Yes he did. Are we okay with that. He was apparently not like the hottest young guy on the dance floor but he was just very gallant. Always had one red rose. You know we dance with the same woman all night just looking into her eyes like she was the entire universe right right and he just had the knack and as his he was not lying on his on his business cards. He was a diplomat career but it was really just a way to hang out in Paris. He didn't actually do any diplomacy it turns out so how did he. How did he rise is to this station? Is this a story where he was born born in rags and and this is all a sham or does he come from a To see come from Spanish as some Spanish line of very important piece. He was middle class in the Dominican Republic and is line to power goes through a rough ultra hero oh the feared and fearsome dictator of the Dominican Republic from the thirties. All the way into the early sixties Steve probably one of the worst people on the planet at the time. Right and we'll we'll get into that a little later but it's entree into European society. It's amazing how much a dictator dictator can level a class system. And just sort of. You're the guy that didn't pick up the phone administered minister to Berlin relations. No that is absolutely what happened with with With kind of a sexual overtone that we will see in a moment. I liked him. He as you would not be surprised to hear Ruby kind of slept his way to the bottom down the middle then the top was he bisexual. I don't think there's any any evidence of that although we're recording this the same week Scotty. bowers died kind of the legendary Hollywood. I don't even know what this job is called hauled. I don't WanNa say pimp philosopher the guy the guy you would call if you were Spencer Tracy and cary grant. I wanted everyone to think straight but wanted to meet nice discreet. Young men man. Oh I see but you don't WanNa say pimp. No because he was just he was a broke. You're putting people together here. What do you call somebody who makes relationships like that? He was a Maven a mentor. Yes West Hollywood. That's exactly actually right. And Not strictly for the game although that's although those are all the most scandalous stuff in the memoirs so You know at this time. All the most dapper masculine men on the planet had no no problem experimenting on the side. Apparently Middle America was right about that. It wasn't just Marlon Brando and James Baldwin and Richard Pryor in a threesome or or whatever but most of his attention appeared to be on the ladies as a he After a brief falling out with Trujillo he wound up kinda stuck in Paris with no source of income. And that's when he can't go home. The worst we're staying about being a playboy is to end up somewhere with no source of in. There really appears to have been very formative for him because he really shapes what he spends the next decade of his life to during the period kind of around the beginning of World War Two because he had no source of income he would sell Dominican. Visas has to Jews trying to get out of Europe. So he's like basically what if Oscar Schindler just wanted to drink and play Polo all day. You Know Oh right so so it was. There was a profit motive. He found a market. That was that was like not being exploited right and and and he. He wasn't fussy about whose visas stamped. And was that did that result in a in a Jewish community in the data. Must I wonder if I assume that was just a stopping onto their. They were all in Miami by the end of the week on her her or heaven or something. I don't know it would be interesting if there is still some lively synagogue in Santo Domingo from the early trio but I don't think so or to trace to trace some expatriate population that that remained somewhat intact. Yeah all came through this one fixer Ruby Rosa's list imagine imagine all these all these elderly Jewish folks and their multi generational descendants standing in front of some you no grave at Peres with picture of a Ferrari on it when it comes to meet. Quality makes a huge difference Brinson texture and taste and even though it might be better for you and the environment a lot of the higher quality meat you find at. The grocery store is just too expensive for most the people's budget thankfully there's butcher box which are box believes everyone deserves access to high-quality humanely sourced. Meet at an affordable price. That's why each month which are box ships. A curated selection of the finest cuts right to your home. 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The Spaniard wanted to make sure his jewels came with him. And so Rubio says Porfirio said go to Madrid and check it out and he comes back and says he APP sorry. You're you're store was ransacked. I got shot out. The jewels are all gone. The really they were they were all safely. There you got shot at your car seems fine. Yeah see I'm going. What are you going to do he would he just runs back to the shop? took hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jewels a burglar to finance. Yes he's a burglar. During the war he marries in fact Francis biggest movie star. This kind of his social climbing begins. Danielle Dr You. She was a Nazi sympathizer. Okay it turned out. She was super excited about the invasion charter and As a result she was like Shiva and all these other people that agreed to perform. I'm for the occupiers. During the war played Sun City. Yes exactly they played the stage to Sola so he had to get it out of Paris fraud but he spent most of the gentleman farmer on Danielle Dr Use estate outside of Paris but he liked the idol life and when the war ended he decided he wanted as much as possible Wouldn't you pretty formative experience right laying around in a movie stars. Collaboration L- Movie Movie Stars House. So after the fair with Dr you goes wrong. `rational what am I talking about good. That's I'm sure that's the word cake all these collaboration natinalists with their collaboration list ism he after the war. He doesn't seem to stay with these women for that long the the appeal of him as a lover. Apparently Paul's at some point sure. I mean not to not to reveal too much knowledge but and if we are going with the measurement here of an of an eleven inch member as we say endowment I I feel like That seems impressive. Like at at first blush like Wow holy Somalians but famous express. I bet it it. It gets Kinda tiresome pretty fast because it's because that would that would be a be abnormally large. It would not be probably like especially useful foil. Paul Yeah I can only imagine. It's a novelty rather than a rather than practical instruments when we bought our house. Our House is kind of a a lovely view of the cascade. Mountains many homes in the Seattle area do and I just thought I will just stare at this all day. Like this is like nothing I've ever seen before what A delight this will be in my life to have this beautiful mountain panorama. But guess what every time you open the curtains. It looks exactly the same and eventually it's just not as exciting as it was the first time it really just kind of blends into the background. This is part of the house. There's mountains outside it you're brilliant. Million Dollar view of the mountains is the eleven inch of this analogy. The listing certainly see. That's what I that's what I that's what I put in listening. Oh of course right if you're going to sell the house it's the first thing you say about it right but but you don't WanNa tell the people right you're not going to sit and stare because it looks. It looks the same every every night did you get. Did you get the sense. That rubel Rosa left all of his paramore's happy or did he were was there bitterness in in in his trail there appears to be a little bit of both. He apparently hit Josh Gabor like she would show up with a I patrick dark glasses or something. So he's he's he's the the fiery awful misogynist of his time but and yet she spoke very fondly of him like everybody remembers their time with him very well. But here's what's remarkable about his womanizing in the in the late forties early fifties. He Mary's in a row the two richest women in the world to either billionaires or future billionaires billionaire asus Sure the I hate to gender. I HATE TO GENDER BILLIONAIRE billionaire. Who is well? We'll go if billionaire asus is a nice is a nice coinage in nineteen forty seven. He married Doris Duke. Luke sure the heir to the Duke Tobacco Fortune Duke University Bears the name of the Lucky Strike Fortune and she was at the time. I'm the richest woman in the world. She was and Cure Walmart though the walmart daughter right before before for Sam Walton split all his money and made made eight women. The one three eight richest people on the planet like apparently at the time the Doris Duke died in nineteen ninety any three. There were only two photos by her bedside and one of them was Porfirio Rubio Sir like she still had fond memories of her years with Ruby and the other one was Bert from sesame street. It was so weird birds. Why did you never love me? I don't know she from the Carolinas so so they spend most of their years together. He was posted to Argentina and But you know but he. He goes to Argentina to see what's up with the centre-right dictatorship there and of course ends up sleeping with Eva Peron and the whole time so he doesn't seem like a great guy to be married to. He's a real gump Dorsey kind of a pretty society girl at the time but you know it. It was commented on at the time that he was marrying kind of you know she. She wasn't Ava Gardner Rita Hayworth like but he was just delighted that she had had a billion dollars and I mean and there's no place. More like mid-century glamorous than Bouynzahra Buenos sure glamorous in a way that it's still pretty mid-century Glamorous Hawaiian boulevards and I guess he was not in love with despite the attractions of Evita he would just spend much time in. He'd get posted to Havana or wherever he would just spend as much time as he could in Paris where he knew he knew all the night clubs and he knew everybody. The marriage to doors only lasted a few years. She made him sign a pre-nup but even once they split up he got all the stuff he got the Polo ponies and the the the Peloponnese and the the three story Hohmann Peres planes and whatnot so she must have had some fond memories. Sure she you know. She kicked him down. Two percent. The of the interest payments on her on her property in Nineteen fifty-three he married his second. Richest woman in the World Barbara Hutton. air has she. She come up. I believe she's coming up for air to the Woolworth and You know famously. We should do a show on these poor little rituals of the Mid Twentieth Century. You might great uncle all married. The heiress of the Buster Brown Shoe Fortune in the nineteen twenty s nineteen thirties and lived in a giant House on in Connecticut on the water That was like the Buster Brown House. And how's the buster ester built and. He sat there in a giant chair as though he had made all that money and sent really really preachy letters to my grandmother telling her she was I screwing up Barbara. Hutton had been a beautiful woman. She was married to Kari Grant but she was. Now I think in our forties well that's a death knell. Nell gave orders. Well she had already been married to Kari grant and three European nobleman named Ebor or something as well as the style Sir as you would expect. She flitted from husband was when she was kind of the sadder but wiser girl pornography apparent. You know she had such a great time dancing etc within that she just said you married Doris us now. It's my turn. Oh wow she was happy to inherit him and at this her fifth wedding she wore a black wedding dress. Got Married at the Dominican Embassy. She she was holding a Scotch and soda as she walked down. The aisle which to me is the ultimate come on our moves. curdle is fire. And you know this marriage really didn't last any any longer but it was. It was the same kind of thing where you know. He left it with. He inherited yet another airplane from her. He winds up with two B twenty five bomber. That's genius one from each marriage marriage. That's genius that have been kitted out as like limousine. Have you never thought of marrying a woman for her. Be Twenty Five. The number of heiresses who have be twenty I. Five is a lot lower now than it was in nineteen fifty two. I'm betting you have to wait for the first crop of Seattle billionaires to have a little rich girl autres if If Paul Allen had had any children they would be they would have plenty of World War Two vintage aircraft at their disposal but he fortunately or unfortunately died without Siro. Speaking of what's Ruby was sterile as well which was another big perk really need pre free birth control era. Yes how did how is that determined just by me reading an article about it. I mean I guess I I. I always assume in a in a period like that that someone's sterility would be established by them attempting to have children with their spouse over the course of many years and then going into the doctor and say what's wrong with me whereas someone who's just playboy gallivanting from place to place he has no idea how many the trail of abortions he's leaving in his wake. Yeah for the forty fifth president of the United States it never occurs to him to It never occurs to go to the doctor and go you know I should have got at least one of these girls pregnant. It may have been knowledge from his first marriage which we'll get to in a moment kind of glided over for dramatic purposes but And they have also just been literally the thousands thousands of women that he was sleeping with kind of he. Figured it out Interesting maybe it was a hemingway esque or injury to imagine that yeah. Let's say well I don't know did. He doesn't sound like he experienced against any war injuries. He did experience very little war. But he wasn't adventurer Harold Robbins based on a kind of Latin adventure lethargic character as on him. Apparently there's a school of thought that he may have been a very close inspiration for James Bond. Really Ian Fleming's Carribean connection. You know spending all his time on Jamaica Right Golden Jamaica. Yeah I think so You meant he hung out with all these people who would have been in Ruby Circle Aero Flan and Noel Coward and and And Ruby was very much a bond Ian figure you know hanging out you know he would get up every day and play Polo Israel passionate in the morning but then as soon as polo while I was over it was just scotch for the rest of the day and scotching gambling. was there any sense that he was in espionage. Did he do like. was there. Tradecraft in store there is going to be the hint of trade crown. Coming up exciting So I don't know if that's what inspired those rumors were out there so that may any of inspired Fleming. But we're talking about like white flannel adventuring. We're not talking about. He didn't go into the jungle on. Discover a new kind of butterfly. He searched for sunken treasure in the Caribbean in nineteen fifty two. He had the two fifty two bomber. It'd be twenty-five bombers. Obviously I am dyslexic about these bombers by Pilot he turned the this is adventuring. At home he turned the third floor of the house he had inherited from Doris. Duke he got rid of the servant's quarters and put in a full bar in a boxing ring. A boxing matches at night after the after. Jimmy Cisco closed Does seem pretty pretty continental he raced Ferraris Ariz at lemond twice. He was he was on the twenty four hour as Lamont twice. He was a fast and dangerous driver. which will also plan to historic? So I think Fleming maybe responding rounding more to his just glamorous womanizing devil-may-care lifestyle than anything else. Do you in in in following a story worry like this in meeting someone like Like poor few furio portfolio don portfolio on video. Does it cause you to question question your own life and how few times you've been to Paris and how how how little of this kind of wanton adventure you've had because I've never played polo in the morning. Once not a single time I just feel L. Like I would be a bad fit for the idleness of it. Refer the hanging out with no clear purpose. Yeah I mean. I have fond memories of doing that in in college. Long Nights of risk or Mario Kart or pizza or whatever and just shooting the bull which nobody you've got to get get up in and do some work right. Like and I guess he did have a schedule Polo then Scotch. And then he would say around in the mid afternoon he would start to feel what he what he called. The Petit Cross shown the little pig it is brain would start to wake up when you know like he would feel he would start to feel the urge drawing him to to the nightlife. But I just feel like I feel guilty. I feel kind of guilty when I go to a movie. During the day I feel like Close to don draper. I ever get like do you think you could do it to be an international playboy like you said you sit in bathtubs a lot. Yeah I think think I would be. I think that'd be pretty good at it. You know I've always felt like my dad acted like Like he was was the sign of a wealthy and fallen sort of family of former aristocrats. Who whose name was still still? The name still was the passport. Although there wasn't any money behind it by the time that mentality got to me I no longer even felt like the name had any CACHET but I still you know I walk into a room in assume always that I'm welcome and I. I have friends that comment on the first thing I noticed about you that I that I seem in any room. You're just just like hey and that so I've always felt like I belonged in this somewhat this life but I also believe that if I had at had access to it and I would have been a bad person and I don't you know we could. We could look at Porfirio and and judge whether or not we think he's a good person person but I feel like it would have would have made my heart different thing if I had if I had had the wealth to to go through life with no consequences think about those John. Those stories John Mullany tells about watching Mick Jagger at SNL and how he's just a guy who for fifty years has been able to say eh diet coke and a diet coke appears in his hand he just says it to the room. He doesn't direct anyone and a diet. Coke will just appear and he knows that will happen. Imagine what that would do to your your soul. I heard a story about Keith Richards that he was at somebody's you know. He was invited to someone's beautiful home in somewhere in the Carolinas. For for whatever whatever reason I don't remember what it was and he just through he was to walk into the house like Nice Nautilus and took a drag a cigarette and just threw it on the carpet. GIVE WALK CASINOS NO I. It was just like nobody will tell me no and then at some point it's just like he doesn't even think no one has ever told me no it doesn't even matter. Yes it's it's just the corrosive effect of money and cocooning like that. I Guess Yeah So. Let's let's here. I want to hear his his fall fall here so I was thinking if I was in international playboy I would be. I would be the kind that's using it as cover. Yeah well that's the super busy being Bruce Wayne if you were if you were up to something right if you were carrying diplomatic pouches or you were working on behalf of a shadowy agency than if I'm repatriating stolen colon antiquities. Yeah exactly you can do all this James Bond stuff and feel like you're year doing good in the world but it's not right to have sex AVA Gardner. I'm sorry sorry. Look I don't want this. I had to establish my cover. It was had to do and I felt bad about it and that there's some suggestion that this may may have been true of a Rubia Rosa as well. his connection with Trujillo Trujillo took power in Round one thousand nine hundred thirty. Some ineffectual Dominican President got pushed out of the way for Trujillo who who had been trained by with and by. US Marines is ironically her. That's how that's how it works. We don't usually have too many scruples about that kind of thing he didn't seem like a Marxist so yeah let him do whatever he he wants and he was awful he was a Caesar of the Caribbean Andrea was his and and he chose Rubio says a protege it just kind of picked him out of the military and and what soured their relationship briefly it was the Rubio so just was unable to control himself and wound up an affair affair with Trujillo's daughter. Oh Florida auto flower of Golden Flower and so for a while through this unforgivable things for here it was gonna be the guy killed and finally maybe floor throws herself at her father's feet. No Papa Papa. They they all speak English with one another accents. And he ends up reconciling with underhill sends them to well he sends the couple to Hitler's Berlin. I post and from their parents which you know where Rubio versus like a coach shown in in maared but Trujillo kind of comes around on him at one point. Trujillo visits Paris and Ruby shows a good time takes into the Eiffel Tower. He apparently like beds somewhere in the restaurant of the Eiffel Tower or something enter enter heels. Like oh you're not wrong Peres. Great and he decides that that the bureau is his guy he says. He's an excellent diplomat because women like him and because he's a liar and the other thing that saves him is his friendship with Trujillo son and eventual successor rumpus trio. Who if it's possible to be more of a psychopath and his father? It's always true right if you're raised by somebody like Keith Richards or Rafael Trujillo or donald trump. Or whatever like you're just going to via a bad clone of it right a bad clone just you hope that That the sociopath passes on his his worst genes means like in the case of the trump sons. You get the feeling that that their combined intelligence wouldn't allow them to get out of of a of love puzzle room the Fifth Generation Michael Keaton multiplicity copies. Just getting worse and worse But a rump Easter heroes legitimately terrible like the F. B. I.. File on file on says that as a kid he would just cut off chickens heads for shoot rifle. Shoot guns chickens heads for fun advocate chickens with a revolver typical trait of serial killer stuff and so like by the time of adolescence. He's he's just. I gang raping everything as far as I can see. And then later when he's given some power Even worse if that's possible he kind of heads up all the torture and murder that follows the unsuccessful fifty-nine uprising and his dad and then once he takes once Trujillo falls out of favor and is eventually killed in sixty. He won He again tortures and murders just literally thousands of people to try to consolidate power. So he's awful but he's also a playboy. He's he's also flying around the world bedding Kim Novak and driving fast cars and so he and ruby become fast friends and that's kind of what saves saves Re Rosa with trio after the marriage to floor ends and he starts marrying movie stars and heiresses. Oh so he didn't lose somehow flora stayed on his. He stayed on her good side or because he was friends with her brother. It didn't no matter whether she was happier. I think I think both I think she. I guess everybody forgives the Sky Weirdest things about his story. He's a liar he's Lumina love him and he's a liar. The thing about the Trujillo regime is that they were not shy about committing crimes and atrocities not just on the island of Hispaniola. Daniela would love to just the killing. Ten Thousand Haitians was nothing to them but they would also do crimes on foreign soil. Trujillo tried to kill the president of Venezuela at one point the most famous case in nineteen fifty six. There was a Basque international law. Professor named Hey Seuss Galindo's who has written extensively on Trujillo's crimes and atrocities and he just disappeared from a subway station of fifty seventh street in New York while he was teaching her Columbia. The Guy Just Trujillo just had a guy disappeared from midtown basically Jimmy Hoffa story all over again basically. Except he's sending foreign agents to do it And End Ruby was always rumored in the tabloids to have connections to these awful exploits the tabloid said things about him one because he's a he was always described his nut brown. He's a dusky creole type from the racially. Indeterminate Caribbean. They said one of the worst things you could say about a an upper class person at the time which is what. If he's black sure Brown right they would have said colored or Negro but the implication would have been mixed ladies. You think this guy swamp love but what if instead of the best thing sex with a Spanish man the scariest thing to white people. What if it's a black guy you know so there would be a lot of these headlines but the other scandals ones were his connection to Trujillo's international where she him of murder which is to me on a whole different level? uh-huh can what do you do about Caitlyn and Dylan on the Internet. Do you just let them have unfettered access to the web. When they were littler? That was not a problem. It was cute that they were on club penguin or Webcams all the time. Right now I literally spend ninety percent of my waking hours thinking what are are my children getting up to online and you've talked about trying to to limit a their their access and then you find that Dylan's got some burner phone under his bed and he's in there. This literally happened like with both my kids. I've had issues where we thought. We had smart rules about screens and devices and nature finds ends away. Do you have policies for your daughter will know because I'm still in that stage where her interest in the Internet is just like can we watch lady and the tramp again. I'm like no it's problematic. Those were the does so I have often wondered. Like how do you solve this like there. Should you should be able to enforce whatever your our family philosophy. Your household rules are around screens and devices and I've wished that there was a way to do it. Well there is a way and it's called old circle. Circle is basically a way to manage your family's online time across all they're connected devices inside inside and outside your home. I've been trying this out. They sent they sent me a circle home plus a little circle up and it really does all the things I was looking for filtering. Who can go to what sites sites like enforcing time limits on when it's Okay to be surfing and when it's not like which things do you not want your kids signing up for you're gonNA have a profile for each person on there it's customizable and it's every device on your network so my son's little burner phone workaround from season? Four of the wire would not work anymore. He's not outwit it the circle home plus leaping he can do now is go out to the parking lot of a supermarket with his friends and look at their phones. Yes I mean. There's there's there's always gonna be things to worry about with your kids but like with circle. There's one less thing to worry about well right now our listeners which is to say the future leagues get thirty dollars off of a circle home. Plus when you visit meet circle dot com slash omnibus and enter the code omnibus at checkout. If this is an issue in your home as it is in ours in your era as it is in mine I encourage you to check this out again. That's thirty dollars off. When you visit meet circle DOT COM plus omnibus and enter omnibus us at checkout meet certain dot com slash Omnibus Inter Omnibus to save thirty dollars in nineteen thirty five a Trujillo enemy enemy named Sarah? Yo Ben COSMI was killed in New York and rubies cousin was fingered as the guy and it was always suspected expected that Rivera had a connection to that killing and then subsequent other acts of violence for the regime as he traveled around the world racing fast cars flying flying bombers getting nearly shipwrecked in the Caribbean looking for gold treasure. As he's having all these adventures like what if he's also enforcing the iron will of his former father in law did his and did his wealth. Did he use his wealth to lift the rest of his family up in their in their station. Or was he someone that was always going from from a rich woman's bed too rich woman's bed as a way because he didn't actually maintain any money of his own. A D did he did he did. He try to establish a dynasty or did he just spend every nickel was family was upper middle class military types. Who are on the right side of the Trujillo? WPRO uprising So I think his family was okay but he was no chance to your question. He was not great with money In nineteen sixty one dollars. I believe a coup removed trio from power and Ruby because of his connections to the rat. Pack Jack and Peter Lawford and by extension the with immediately dispatched to Hyannis Port to get on a yacht and to try to get diplomatic recognition for trio Sonnen John and to lift the embargo that the US and the Organization of American States had put in place after the attempt on the president of Venezuela. So he was really supposed to work Kennedy's ear and he so this is like some high level diplomatic entry. Yes and I think the as I understand it ruby could have got it done but he got back to Santo Domingo only to find the Rumford Trujillo had who instead of consolidating power. Dad's way had realized how much the citizens dozens of the Dominican Republic hated the trio's and it just absconded to Spain with two hundred million dollars. Oh Wow so really thought he could get it done but But that effectively ends his political career right then and this is a guy with what Oleg Cassini estimated to be a two million dollar a year lifestyle two million alien nine hundred sixty one dollars. I assume right jetting between Santry pay. And Deauville and Palm Beach and dot and you know this guy lived it up so so he has no home base now and presumably no money. He kept place in Paris but yeah he this is a guy with no income. And there's there's some consideration of doing what he does and maybe marrying. Peter Lawford acts or some other some other beautiful heiress from his circles but for whatever reason he never does it he he kind of has to downscale and he lives the the early sixties not in the status to which he had become Accustomed he has a he tries to sell perfume at one point with his. You know ruby perfume middle. You'll be hit with the ladies or Cologne. And at one point he markets pig o Paulo a an aphrodisiac. Supposedly you know you take a few drops from your vile of pig. Apollo sure which I think are two words meaning wooden stick. Maybe so it's not it's not a subtle reference but it's from some kind of Dominican herbs and Tree Bark that will give you the potency of of Portfolio Ruby Rosa right reach Carinthian BIOGRA-. It's a Spanish fly. Yeah exactly going back to the Spanish fly episode so You know so. That's what he's reduced to in the early sixties and historian sadly nineteen sixty five his. His Polo team wins the coupe DeFrantz. It's a big Polo Cup. That's not sad. Sounds like a little bit of a comeback. But it's by far the best thing that happens that day because he and his sat Sat are partying the night away. At Jimmy's his favorite disco in Paris and at eight. AM They switched to a different club to get the Ham sandwiches. I guess Timmy's Ham sandwiches. They liked hormone and heading back for fighting back to Jimmy's after his own his his late snag around eight. AM His Ferrari jumps a curb in the bought a Bologna and Ruby plows right into one of the huge horse chestnut trees. ooh In western Paris and his. It's a race car with a wooden steering wheel and it just plows. Right into his midsection. He gets essentially cut in half. I wouldn't steering wheel and and actually register died in a similar fiery car crash. I think maybe just a couple of years later around the same time so his life ends it exactly the manner you'd expect behind the wheel of a Ferrari between nightclubs right. 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ep 85: Its so Hogans Heroes!

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

42:39 min | 4 months ago

ep 85: Its so Hogans Heroes!

"Hello and welcome to the show podcast attempt to keep up with more lie. Rory's pop culture references on Gilmore. Girls don't mind me. I'm just popping out from underneath my bed and I. Love. Colonel Taylor. Captain Colonel Colonel Yeah I can't hear. You. Can't hear. I can really hear you. I was just trying to quote spongebob off. The Blue Awesome but over mile head, tell me about this bunk bed of yours Skyla I'll it's no bunk bed. It's a No. Actually you're right. It is a bunk bed classic would build Germans know what they're doing when it comes to bunk beds split, they're known for. Yeah Way Easy to move I no complaints. The German bunk bed legacy is strong. Yeah. It's. It's really fascinating to learn about for this EPSOM. Yeah. An unconventional pop culture choice to be sure. But that's really what we wanted to about this time bunk beds. So buckle and just kidding, don't don't don't close out the podcast just yet. Yes, because you're about to get a whole episode of bunk bed. History. Not. Running Away This is why you download the podcast I am. You WanNa hear about furniture history. Delta what kind of would. is it Balsa? Is it Mahogany? Oak? It's live. Good. You know I actually just bought some would this weekend to build a table little table for my plants? That got some lovely hairpin legs on facebook marketplace. So just a simple. To go under my window, you are so crafty I just bought window boxes. Well now table, but I'm going to put flowers in them. We're just on the same wavelength I think. Yeah. I think so. But you know where they don't have flowers and plants where German prisoner of war camps. make sense. In that was probably your I guess right. I, mean it was. But yeah, they do have bunk beds. They don't have plants for recreation. Should we talk about Hogan's heroes? I think we should. Have Little. Did you know we already have begun? Oh what a trick just like what Hogan the crew were doing. All right. Well, the episode of your girls we are talking about today is Gilmore Girls Poor fifteen seen in a mall, which first aired February twenty, fourth two, thousand four. And the plot summary is Kirk tries his hand at dog sitting mean. Sorry. I just I started laughing thinking of Kirk and how he has an extra dog. Does L.. Operate. Line and he's trying to just throw out different words seeing if the dog will respond. Sorry. Keep going WHO's he? Kirk makes me laugh Kirk prices hand at doc sitting meanwhile, the Gilmore girls are finally able to connect and decide to spend some quality time together window shopping. But with both of them skinned quote unquote shopping isn't much fun the to run into emily on a shopping binge angry and upset about her marriage lack of accomplishments in the little jealous of her daughter's. Her daughter. So Yeah Roy granddaughter. It does say singular daughter in my mind. I Combine Turn Rory. As the proverbial daughters, the daughter they wish she had So. We're not talking about any of that window shopping although I think we should share that. Almost did because Laurel, I made it sound. So lovely right movie with Ava Gardner and who else Rosalind Russell Yesh Window shopping and Rory Avenue and Roy was like, yes you sold it to me and you and I both were like what is this movie and we couldn't find it. We went on a deep semi deep dive. Couldn't find it and then I re watched the episode and realize later in the episode. They both acknowledged this is not a real pop culture reference. So that's why the shopping trip didn't even work because it wasn't a real you. All these haughty people with their bags, rubbing our faces in Ross Russell and Ava. Gardner. Thinking what movie didn't see them when. I. Don't know that I did I just picked tooled movie actress names. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone window shop new movie ever. This whole outing was a house of sand built on a foundation Straw. Yeah, we got duped by that one Yeah. We gave in to the glimmer of the window shopping. But we're not talking law reference. We're talking Roy Reference Not Sukey. Not Jackson not laying. Yes the thing we're discussing is not even in this I envy plot summary so we'd go IMDB. We're talking about Lane Kim, moving out coming back to get her stuff in her cousin. Kirstein is here to help her pack up or stuff. Living. Everything was a fight or are you getting married? No Kim His. Without. Getting married you're very bright. Did you ever think that we would cover Christine reference? Well just was going to you. Do you think we'll ever cover another Christine reference? Doubtful this is her fifteen minutes of fame on this podcast much like when we covered a Rachel reference in the first season yeah. Or was it Rachel saying it or we're just about Rachel The FEM BOT was about Rachel. Yeah. Out of Africa was related to Rachel. Yeah. So she christine is probably our. Smallest character. That were using a reference from blink and you'll miss the tribute to Christine in this episode. Otherwise. You will not get your Christine fix. All my Christine heads out there says, messages we can't wait. in all our free NC fans who we covered a reference from last season. And confirming it was not even Rachel who said it in the first season, but we did have a driller reference. So all our drill heads. To Rela Hud's yeah, you're welcome. So Taylor did you know what was up with Hogan's heroes on the floor boards? I heard of Hogan's heroes in. That's it. I mean like I didn't have the context to understand what that meant, which is part of why we chose this episode. Yeah. I had never heard of it. And do nothing. But I was picturing when we did come across it and you see the image of World War. Two soldiers not what I was expecting for this remembrance at all because. floorboards teenager. Who does that could have been like a A what are the baseball movies? we're always kids like this one. Yeah. It could. It sounded like that's Hogan's heroes. You know a bunch of little kids getting around their parents like that's kind of what I pictured when I heard it sneaking out and stealing their Babe Ruth signed baseballs. But? No. World War Two comedy why not everything can be funny, right. Yeah, that is definitely a takeaway should live in your life. All things are humorous and nothing is off limits. Okay. Okay okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No don't take that away. However, we are GonNA talk comedy in World War Two. Yeah Let's do it. Okay So. Hogan's heroes if you are not familiar much like we were not familiar ran from nineteen, sixty, five to seventy, one for one hundred, sixty, eight episodes. It won two EMMYS for best supporting actor in a comedy which was Colonel Klink. The character that was played by Werner Burger, which also just sounds like clerk link at the thing same really familiar also nominated for ten more emmys including best comedy series three times. And in addition to Werner Klemperer, it started by cream John Bainer Richard Dr Larry. Robert Clary Ivan. Dixon. And you know I had to look at the guest stars. Into Berry was nowhere to be. found. Letting us down lately no again, it was like. She did this to hurt us but whatever. However a few notable guest stars from the series include Harvey. Tell Gavin Macleod, who we talked about because he was both on the love boat in Mary Tyler Moore. So you know a few big names but not many that I caught. Some of our other shows. This was the longest running World War Two show. Show based on World War Two so good for. In fact, it ran longer than World War Two did. says. Good. You. Know I. Have Say I didn't make that observation on my own, but it is relevant at this time. Awesome. So the concept of the show is a bunch of war heroes from allied nations. All gets caught and are in a German prison camp called stalag sick thirteen thirteen. close to plus one. Thank you. We got there. And there led by Colonel Hogan. Euros there's a British man, a Frenchman. And then Americans it's mostly Americans. Yeah. Yeah. And they are under the supervision of Colonel Klink who doesn't have all his marbles up upset and his little right hand guy has even fewer marbles. Surge Schulz Sergeant Schultz and You know just Americans sticking it to the German stick into the Nazis what more could Americans asked for in the eighties I know right many sixties and seven Oh. What more can Americans asked for in the sixties? Seems. So we're exposed. It was all in black and white. Exactly so. They the allied prisoners are running a whole underground system. They are still communicating back home taken all those German secrets living the life. But it's always winter. So that's one downside. Okay. Even. Though it's It is in color, but it is always winter apparently. Okay. I didn't catch that when I was watching. I didn't that it was pointed out to me and then I noticed it. Okay. Got It. So it's just grey outside it's not black and white footage K. data. US skull episodes from season one. Sure did. End these episodes were one, twenty, six, the prince from the phone company and one twenty, eight I look better in basic black. So the first episode the plot summary is in. African. Prince comes to stalag thirteen who was negotiating with the Germans for the rights in his country to build a submarine base in Hogan replaces him with Kim Clo-. Think, I'm saying his name correct correctly they were mostly like just saying each other's like named. So fast in the show I wasn't really paying attention to that to the pronunciation. So my apologies if that's correct. So basically, it's just what it is. It's a case of mistaken identity classic Sitcom plot. This african-print shows up in Lo and behold he is played by the same actor is king. So he shows up and he's trying to negotiate with the Germans about where they might set up a base in his country, which is unnamed, and then they decided to kind like distract him in they switch out their own guide to try and like cracking escape from this German prison camp but then the prince's wife shows up. But it turns out she doesn't really like her husband and she's on the allied side anyway. So she can Clo- they get friendly in the backseat of the official German car she helps get some. Secrets out of there, and of course, they don't escape but the allies are better off they prevent a major bombing that kind of thing or launch of a new weapon. You know it's all stuff that happens off screen but whatever it is, they help save the day I would even dare to presume that there might be a reward waiting for Your Excellency when you return. It is possible. Thank you my dear, and if you should have the occasion to mention my participation link is coupled with a K. and there is no see between the end in the last case. Thirteen. Yes. Berlin calling Your Excellency. Our. Imports. On speaking. What? What? Actually Kind of submarines net by allied destroyers, and sunk. Gallon supply planes were ambushed by allied fighters and. betrayed. And then in this second episode, the Plot Summary is three American women show up at stalag thirteen in Hogan wants to know why so. Of course, the gentleman go Razi knowing there are girls in the camp and they haven't intricate tunnel system that they built all underneath the camp but at one point they're like, well, how long did it take you to to this place? That's closer than where the girls are about eighteen hours? How long will it take you to get to the girls about twenty minutes? They find their way over to the girls cabin because it's basically a cabin and. Long Story Short, they ended up having to dress up as girls. So the girls can escape dressed as the guys they use the intricate tunnel system to make it back. The ladies are out safely and once again, Hogan's heroes never leave, but the allies are better off. Because, I got their women back. Yes 'cause they had seen a new weapon that the Germans were working on, hence they didn't want them to get away. Yeah they also had magic flowers, they could pull out of their sleeves to impress the women in the French guy played in accordion to train impress them I mean they have all sorts of resources available in these German prison camps. It's pretty impressive. German prison camps sound. All Right I. Don't know it. All know was. Totally kidding. I know we'll talk more about that. Tell me about Europe's odes. eyewash episode seven, eight season to Hogan's springs and a clink, a bomb and short fuse. So Hogan. Springs. You mentioned the intricate tunnel, system. They had builds and lots of things seemed to go wrong with those tunnel systems seem to happen a lot in my episodes, and in this one, a waterline burst and it was flooding the Tunnel Ono. So the Germans of course need to fix it in one have water covering the camp. But Hogan knew if they try to repair it, they're gonNA find their tunnels they dig a couple feet and they're done force. So he decided to pretend that this water that was coming up was wonderful mineral water that they could bottle and sal in the furor would be so impressed by the serene. Colonel Klink was like, well, I, will get it tested and they're like, all right fine. We'll. They've got a little lab in their tunnels. So they made some mineral water swapped out the bottles with dummy right? Hand man they distracted him with Jelly, beans And He took their wonderful mineral water came back confirmed great water and they're like, Hey, can we build a bath house as long as we can use it sometimes? CYRILLIC sure. Built a bath house and they did all of this so that they can have a distraction so that they could get some other allied military men who had been stranded out and onto England. So they were smuggling them through tunnels and they need a big distraction. So the colonel and a guy who was at a higher rank than him, we're in the bath house, they took their clothes. The allied guys could put him on drive away. None of Hogan's men could leave, but these other people could. So that was that, and then the other one was clink a bomb in short fuse and in that one. Colonel Klink had brand new Kobuk. They're trying to get photos of and they distracted him. By, they were going to put a fake bomb out in the middle of the camp and turns out it was actually a real bomb that Hogan had to defuse their fake bomb wasn't ready yet, but a real bomb had dropped. But didn't explode. So they he had diffuse it. He cut the correct wire. And they got photos of the code book not sure how that totally played in. To it, but they got the code. Book So good job. Owning How's tricks? Tricks is right. Somebody took a cold book from my office and I wanted back at once was. Once Playing it for being upset the why blame us if you new code book is missing? With a new corporate with me. So upset of was an old code book. I'll be honest. Would you? Don't. WanNa go on record as protesting this violation of Geneva Convention. Your protest has been Uley noted and rejected go ahead. I would also like to point out you interrupted me which rating from this book Mein Kampf by Adolf. Interest of. What happens after he says he's going to conquer the world. I can't wait to see how dance. Anxious they are. After the research. So there actually was a static thirteen that was a German POW cool. If this were based on that real camp. How would you describe this Kim? For liked TV show for free, you could walk outside top to the colonel jacket up request meetings with him to to get supplies Yeah, you could just kind of get away with anything. Yeah to me more like summer camp. Yes. like strict summer camp like Colonel klink insurgents sold to reduce candidate strict counselors who didn't really want you to have any fun and just wanted you to go to bed. So they didn't have to watch you anymore but like really you'd rather seek over to the girls cabin and like see what's up like get in addition to in like you know do activities together like building tunnels. Yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah. because. My mom and I, watched this together she had not watched this in the sixties like. Some other shows she said, I think my brother watched the spun. She doesn't, but it did air on Friday nights by the way checked al-Qaeda's my mom didn't remember and I looked commend like does this seem like a lot of fun do I want to go over there and lake go to this German prison camp because it seems like they're having a blast Yeah. Yeah like they were. Pretty free to even mouth off I mean they. Yeah. For sure and maybe that's why it was a top ten show starting in its first season because look the movie Schindler's List a great movie but I do not want to watch it every week Hogan's heroes. That every week. Yeah. My mom she remembered it and she. Would watch it I. Don't remember if she watched it when it aired. No, she would have been too. Young she could've anyways So she washes certainly at some point inches like. People at that time had just fought in the war like those people were still alive. They're still alive now who fought in World War Two issues like what more could we want than? Germans being outsmarted by Americans. And Europeans. Well and I read they never allowed blood or real violence on the show you'd never saw someone shot you never saw someone blown up. So there was just no realism. To the war aspect whatsoever it was pure escapism. Yeah. Why didn't you tell me what before? Light of the Germans interesting facts about just kind of the people who are part of it. The actors who played the four main German roles were all Jewish. And you know they played Nazis. But like the one guy clump Bor he said at the time I'm an actor. If I'm Richard, the third I can play a Nazi Hindi also just said won out over his captors every time so like. That was satisfying and it just made it. I'm not playing a German to be the good guy playing the German just to be the bad guy you know the the Nazi I should say too bad guy. So. Well. An John Banner who played Sergeant Schultz. He actually had to flee the Nazis in Europe. End. Unfortunately, there was a member of the cast who is not able to evade the Nazis in World War Two. Robert Clary who played lebow the French. person who was in the camp he actually did survive concentration camps during World War Two. He arrived at Aushwitz at sixteen in Nineteen, forty two, and he said the last thing that his mother said to him before they were separated and he she in his father were killed in a gas chamber was she told him to behave because she knew that she said, she probably knew me as Brat but she said to do what they tell you and that was their last conversation. And of fourteen family members who went to the camp, he was the only one survived. So going on, he now is playing someone in a German prison camp on television. But he said that he had always been an entertainer since he was a little kid and he said that's how he survived the concentration camps. He said when he was at I might be butchering the Buchenwald Buchenwald he sang with an accordionist every other Sunday to an audience of SS soldiers. We saw him play the accordion in the episode I watched. And he said that singing gave him a purpose and helped him save his life. And so. He had other stories to share whilst share this tumbler as well about how he survived in what happened there. But he said he didn't talk about it at this time. He didn't really start sharing about his experience there until the nineteen eighties and now he's really open about it. So it kind of adds an extra weight watching this knowing he actually survived a real German concentration camp and now you know I don't think this. It has gotten criticism for making light of the situation but I do think it feels different when you know that someone in the cast actually went through the real thing. Yeah I just wonder because while the show itself was very light. Still. I mean, if he just kind of sits and thinks for a second of like. where he is and what the set. Is it's I. Don't know I just wonder how that hit. Him was therapeutic to be able to come in and then leave you know and. be acting as opposed to. Being forced to be there but that's still I i. don't I can't imagine. I have no. IDEA. I. That is the kind of thing I feel like. Could be helpful maybe for someone like you said to lake. Lit Out again and then leave it behind in a very safe way. But maybe I mean he was there for six seasons. So yeah, it seemed like it wasn't a huge problem but. Can Never. Know. I can say also he defended the show against people who criticized it for its depiction of the war and he said, yes, this was very different from the concentration camp in also that prisoner of war camps were very different from concentration camps. He thought that the Germans were portrayed as both malicious in idiot. So it sounds like he didn't have a problem with it. Yeah. Yeah the Germans were not smart. Smart on this, we're out the of. Knew it was not clinks heroes to be sure. Yeah for sure. But can I tell you what it was called in Germany when the show finally came there yes. Please share that. It finally came to Germany in Nineteen, ninety, two in syndication and it was called barbed wire in heels. Because like Colonel Klink had a girlfriend they added. Culling yes. She had he had an offscreen love interest called CA- link heard but never seen and it was a eventually they changed it to a cage full of heroes. Interesting a lot of questions but I'm not sure they're worth answering honestly at this point. Good for good for them going to Germany guess the cast also released an album singing songs world war two. Glitzy Clary Dawson Larry Hovis Ivan Dixon they all got showcase, their singing talents. They sang popular songs of the forties and the liner notes on the back begin. Would you believe World War Two funny which is not supposed to be there tied line, but it ended up becoming their tagline. I heard another line that they couldn't get away from was did you like world? War Two than you'll love Hogan's heroes. o-man. Somebody. said it as a joke in it sounds like it kind of stock. That's funny. Like that? So you know how they drove around a lovely Mercedes for everything. Yes. It was a cool car. It was Prince of Africa of unnamed African country I should say. Not the Prince of Africa. But all of when you don't give me a country name I don't know what to say. He loved this car. Okay. Well, it was only one of only three in existence. Thing. So let's the only fifty. Seven of these black and gray convertibles were constructed. Only three were selling after the war in one went to Spanish monarchy became a fire engine unless one ended up in Hollywood. We. Yeah. A nice looking car to end up in Hollywood also to go to royalty. Here's another fun fact for you must Kylo. Did. You know what? One time they thought about giving. Hogan's heroes a steam room underground. ooh, that sounds Nice. Yeah. Except it was considered too outlandish. So they just kept with elaborate tunnel system that started under a bunk bed. No big deal I mean in my episode, they did build a steam room, but it was above ground. So they still have their steam room. Did the WIG maker in their camp show up so that they could dress as girls. No they all stayed pretty traditionally masculine clothes. Okay. Here's something course me as a un-american knows about as an American who has not looked into this. Different accents in the UK? I just this is my British accent. I don't know where it's from what particular area in Britain but it's the one I go to. You tell me what that sounds like. Nothing probably Richard Dawson character and have a Liverpool accent which means nothing to me but I did actually auditioned for Hogan and they're like, no, you're American accents and very good. So it was like, okay let me let me play the British guy but I want Liverpool accent they're like no one can understand you. So he played a coffee dial left which again I know nothing but then Like, allies do lil. My Fair Lady are not what I'm doing right now. So. This is an example of house like not to. See them on mania. exploded. Ao Beatles Paul Ringo. George. George. You've said on them. Yes. passes all I can't I have brought their Liverpool accents to America like look. I could have been cool. Yeah. Go back to our Beatles episode to hear good British accent instead of whatever you and I are coming up with right now sued. Well, I have another fun fact we can connect to a thing we've talked about. Did. You know that much of the cast of this show went on to make a movie after they made the TV show. And the name of the movie was the wicked dreams of came out in nineteen sixty eight. Do you remember another time this season? We have seen the name Polish. Possibly on a gravestone tombstone. Yeah exactly in Kill Bill volume two. Thurman is buried alive in the grave of. Polish adults. Spoiler alert she gets out. That's awesome. I. Love that connection also the set just you know it was blown up. Tell me more during the making of Ilga. She will of the S S and they're like, Hey, it's cheaper than US having to. Have it demolished. So yeah, use it to. Blow up in a movie that's fine with us. That's pretty funny. Well. You know if you can enjoy it we're not. Nobody gets hurt. Go ahead, low it up. Robert Crane who played Colonel Hogan was on the Donna Reed show and he got that Gig after being on the Dick Van Dyke show another thing we. Well One more fun fact for you not related to something else we've discussed. Is, that we'll actually we can relate it to something we've. Because remember how when we talked about Gilligan's island they never made it off the island. Hogan never made it out of the prison camp. And there was no plan to do that. They just filmed episodes kind of all in a bulk and they decided which ones were best in what was best to finish out the season. And it wasn't even the order they shot them in and so much like Gin Hogan and Gilligan still in the same place So. Just weird thing from old TV shows that today now, audiences would riot over. So even at the end of the whole show, they don't get out of the prison camp. No, it's just like another episode it's called brackets a romance and there was nothing about it. That was specifically nothing wrapped up the story in the were still in the camp even though they were in the camp longer than World War Two lasted in real life. That's really funny. But unsatisfied. Yes. But I think audiences just had really different expectations of time today. Now, we would not like that because we like to have resolution than we like our shows to come back for reboots if they didn't end how we wanted them to. They have talked about a Hogan's Heroes reboot which seems insane to me. This was as recent as last year. But apparently, the thought is it will have the descendants of the original heroes in a global treasure hunt. That makes no sense. A does not me either and this was as recent as last year but with TV production being paused for so long. I wouldn't be surprised if this is something that never ends up happening, we'll see doubtful. So should we talk about how this fits into the world of Gilmore Girls? I thinking about darn time. So do you about clinking you might say. They think Mrs Kim a little bit smarter than Colonel Klink. I think Mrs Kim is much smarter than Lincoln Scholtz I mean she can tell if you watch TV or if you've eaten French fries. And you know sh boys don't like funny girls in her opinion so she wouldn't put up with all the funny business that Hogan? Creates. However. It does take her a long time to catch on two lanes. Underground activities. Yeah. Not until. Lane doesn't come back right from the plane at the concert or not move in concert. CBGB's. Yeah. And she finds all of her hidden things under her bed and floorboards one forward. Yup. Yeah. Just like Hogan's network of tunnels in chemistry lab. Underground. And what else do they have down there? Not a steam room but no radio transmitter they've gotten that set up. mean people live down there? Yeah supplies for WIG making. Magicians flowers accordions. Yeah I mean those are just things I saw. Women's clothes that happened to fit them. Yeah. Lane more. So used it for CDs. And make up. Contraband Items Though Yes. Still considered contraband. and she didn't use a Doghouse to hide just your closet like just simply her closet. I'm surprised that Kim never went into her closet. That is a little surprising to me as well and didn't she have a disco ball in there at one time. Yeah. Maybe maybe Mrs Kim. Respected the privacy of the bedroom. I can't. Because she's definitely not a dummy. No. That's what she's also not a Nazi. Mrs. Kim. Is Much more layered and everything she does is out of wanting to care for lane yet not to trap her although I think in lanes mind those things at the same yeah. Yeah, they were. Do. You think that Christine would have been able to watch Hogan's heroes. Maybe. Because it was an old TV show in would be much more filtered for its content compared to current TV shows. Potentially. Maybe. She had a friend that she could watch Hogan's heroes with after school or something because I'm sure all the kids in two thousand four wanted to watch Hogan's heroes after. Sue Kyla. So Taylor. That's a show. That is our show for our Christine Queens. Shout out to our Francey fans and drill aheads. We see you here you. Want to do our references for you. And not just all our law rely and brewery super. Fans. Sign up a four are tiny litter. You can find us at all the things follow us on twitter. So it's a show so to show a g mail dot. com. So it's show podcast, Dot Tumbler, dot com. 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ep 75: National Velvet, you have to move this stuff out of here

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

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ep 75: National Velvet, you have to move this stuff out of here

"They look to so it's show. Podcast her we have to keep up with more light and Roy's pop culture references on Gilmore. Girls just trying to live our dreams. I know we can do it. I'm Kyla and I'm the older kid who lives in the stable and isn't quite as charmed by your plucky do-gooder nece Taylor. If you just believe I'm sure it can happen. I know it will God holding off a horse and you don't know anything about growing up kid. Oh Tae Kai. She calls him. Mike my true I know I was trying to think what I you should. I call you national Kylo. I would love that Adore. You're just too darn adorable. I might throw up charm. You almost over a period of time. You may warm my cold dead heart and I may just chop off all your hair and let you ride a horse. Trains wealth chapter could already I don't think I need anymore. Chapman Butts honestly. I don't either or good be jockeys finally good. 'cause all we need to do is cut off our hair and urine pugh Young girl Anyways I hope that voice wasn't too annoying but don't worry dear listeners. It's better listening to it. Just in the intro than for a whole film. I have a feeling that we're going to have different opinions on this movie. Okay and I'm ready for it. I look forward to our discussion in t minus thirteen seconds. So we're talking national velvet because Luke. So we're talking to Luke Reference which is always fun. We don't talk a lot of those because Luke is not full of the references. Yes the listeners. Can't see that Kylie had her fingers up Turkey like she's from Mid Really Donald Ray cliche way for the record. We know not all people from Italy. Speak like that but it worked well for this moment to get the growl So yes season. Four episode five. The fundamental things apply which is an episode. We've discussed some before because this is the episode where Luke in Law Rely Watch Casablanca together So you can go a little ways back to our discussion in season one. We had an episode. All about Louis. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. One of our leaders season one episodes however we did not discuss all of the plot of this episode. This episode aired October Twenty First. Two thousand three in the plot summary is after reflecting on her lack of social life. While already off to a great start rory decides to try dating and finds it harder than it looks. Laura is still adjusting to an empty house and has luke over to try to fill the gap. Meanwhile Laurel is somewhat disturbed after discovering that the designer. She just hired to decorate the in used to work for emily. Dun Dun Dun which as always something like this is not really a big deal but both lor line. Emily make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be. Yeah yeah they both like to make a big stink out of nothing Especially when the other one makes a fuss Oh yes at the expense of the other person. Yeah for sure. But when lured by is meeting with this lovely designer to talk about what plans they wanna do for the in. They discuss their plans at Luke's diner and they have this conversation. What are you doing? I'm looking at Anglia wall now. Three Tamils are here for support. Well we just had a lot of books to go through. Look this is Natalie Zimmermann now lease can help us design the dragonfly. Nice to meet you. Did I tell you we're going to have horses? The property already has stable so why not. I love horses. I've always looked towards ever since I was a little girl and now I finally have a great excuse to buy a pony. Great National Velvet. Do you have to move this stuff because this is a diner people wanna sit so Taylor? Did you know who national velvet was? I'd heard of it and that's about it. I think I had seen the cover of Elizabeth Taylor on a horse. Yeah I'd never heard of it all right then. We're both at pretty much. Maybe not zero but for me but pretty close basically. Yeah should we tack National Velvet? Let's do et. National Velvet came out in nineteen forty five. It was based off of a nineteen thirty five novel by Enid bag mold. I hope I'm saying that correctly Bagnall hope you're not. It's funnier that way. I don't know which way is correct. There's also possibly a third option that I did not pronounce it stars Elizabeth Taylor Mickey Rooney and are you ready Yes I saw him. I saw glimpse of her and I was like there. She isn't now she's gone. Our Queen Angela. Lansbury murder she wrote has a very direct connection to this one. She plays the older sister of Elizabeth. Taylor oh wait. I thought Oh who think she was so because they didn't think about the fact into Lansbury. I've only seen her act in her later years. Now because he watched during gaslight who is she? I guess she was a maid. I believe hall. Well she made I know. Oh really I'd forgotten so I wish I would have realized that I thought she was the Old Lady in the shop. Which of course. She's not because this was a nine hundred forty four nineteen forty five. Yes five come on that. I love that so much that this is very terming. Thank you for that. It went on to win two Oscars for Angela Lansbury. But it did win. Best supporting actress for an revere who played the mother Mrs Brown for Editing. And apparently the editing in the final grand national racine is still considered a really great example of editing today and it was also nominated for best director. Color Cinematography in color art direction so. The academy was enthusiastic about this film. Ps I just looked at the older sister at totally into the Lens. I can't believe I thought it was an old not think that there. I love this so anyways. She's always been old in. Kyle is mind. Apparently there are actors. Though I am convinced have always looked old Fred astaire pretty sure he looked the same age nineteen thirty to nineteen sixty weird so sam not crazy rate. So what happens in this movie? What happens indeed? When I started watching this movie I thought the Horse was going to be named National Velvet. Just seemed like a friend would agree. Or maybe they would talk about how this pony has a very velvet for like ooh so soft. Yeah feels like Velvet. It sounds like especially a Horse. A racing horse name. They have some weird names true but it gets weirder. It does so then. Suddenly the horses named Pie now. Not just the Pie and that so I actually had to go back and read about how they came to that name. Because I didn't understand it but it's because a first owner called him a pirate because he was so crazy and then shorten it to the Pie. But it's always spelled P. I e. Yeah he did talk about the pirate. I just didn't even make the connection that that's how they jumped. They might have said it and I just missed it. I mean I missed it too. I had to read it later researching so so. The Pie is beloved by this young lady velvet played by Elizabeth Taylor and she loves horses. That is clear she sure does. She has two sisters and a brother in all of them. Have Weird little obsessions? Did you notice boy loves insects? She has a sister who loves birds and I guess Angela Lansbury thing she loves boys. I didn't grow the other. Sister loved birds. Has she kept having things about her. Parakeet Yes okay yeah. You're right in hand. Velvets she runs around outside watching. These horses owned by a neighbor and he said other ones come through but she loves the Pie Superior Horse and she talks like this so hopeful. Everything's wonderful and this is just the best horse in it. Just it needs to be Lote. It does unfortunately he really enjoys escaping. Because he can jump. Really High A. O. and jumps over the hedges and wrecks the town. Yeah not not a great citizen of the community than I nope the so the owner after incurring a lot of damage fees of the pies latest rampage escapade esque rampage work. Olive rampage. Sounds more sinister. Eight the pie running around just having a good time you know. He's not meant to be caged. He's a Free Spirit. He is he is so the owner decides. Hey I'm gonNA have a raffle and get rid of this horse and lucky for Velvet. She has met a new friend played by Mickey Rooney uh-huh and she calls him my short for Mike. Not Mickey don't get confused And he he's like a free he's wandering around he is maybe GonNa take advantage of their family. I Dunno know why steel for them maybe but then give it back and still something else. And the MOM reveals. He came to their family because his dad passed away and left in his notebook. The contact information for the mother Mrs Brown of which Mom and dad call each other Mr and Mrs Brown the whole and she's like wow that's weird dona why he has contact information in there for me really weird but it turns out he was actually. His Dad was her mother's swim instructor and her mom was one was the first woman to swim the English Channel at least in the context of this book. I don't think that's real in real life. Yeah that is kept a secret a little bit 'til later So this guy he decides to buy a bunch of raffle tickets for all the kids for the Pie. They call the number. It's not velvets number She's very sad. She goes holds sick in bed Distraught with grief because she had made an arrangement with God that she would get the horse which that was pretty cute so then. She thinks she's imagining it but she's not. The whole town is bringing the pie to her because a number that was called was a number of the had been bought which why not just only put numbers in that have been bought but differences management of the event criticism. There and her number gets called next. Sixty two yes in her. Dad's not crazy about it because if the horse is eating oats it should be paying for. Its keep in so he tries to make it a workhorse input. A straps a harness heart to it. Yeah with a harness and the PIE is not having it in destroys the cart because he's a free spirit his and velvet knows it. Her Mom knows it which he I think that Mr Brown is this hard headed. And I'm in control. Listen to me and then you realize not their first moment together as a whole family around the dinner table and my guest. He feeds the dog and surrounds. Like you come through the dog. We don't freedom purple food or he'll become a bigger and then slowly see. Every one of the other family members sneakily the dog until finally the dad does as well yeah and he gets caught. Yeah so you quickly see that he is. He can have his mind change particularly by Mrs Brown. Their relationship reminds me a little bit of the couple in my big fat Greek wedding which I believe is a movie. You don't love crap and I'm not talking about yes. The wife is the neck and she can turn the head any way it wants. Yeah Mrs Brown is very influential on Mr Brown. She deals with his temper. Cool and calm and collected and steers them in the right direction. But I would say she does not try to be cutting or secretive about at. She's very similar. She just she straight up says what she thinks. She knows. He'll calm himself down. This horse the Pie can jump over. Tall buildings in a single bound and released. Tolkien's at least those and my you get you kind of start figuring out that he knows a little bit about horses and horse racing in particular and velvet gets out of him info about the grand national and the fact that the the height of the head. The Pie jumps over frequently is the same height as the biggest jump in trace So velvets like all right. Let's enter and she does and there's a little bit of trouble with getting a jockey. Mike goes to town and brings money in these guys get drunk and I don't fully understood what I did not fully understand what happened there. I think I wanted him to bet on a horse with his money. A different horse That's what I thought. But it was hard to understand. Yes because he he learned back with them all the money yet because then he says no They trust mayor but then he goes back gets velvet. They go back to the big city for the race. They find a jockey. But the jockey doesn't believe in the pie and Elizabeth Taylor's like no you'll You've lost the race already. Hell don't believe in him. Yes and then my has to come to terms with the fact that he used to be a jockey he reveals to velvet and that there was an accident on the track that started with him and did someone dire at someone getting injured. I can't remember both someone diode someone else. Scott entered. Okay that's why I remembered both options and he overcomes his fear rides the pie the night before the big race and then velvet says. I'm GonNa race this horse and my being a knowledgeable person. He says you should not do this. You will die but that little girls plucky and no one's GonNa tell her. Optimism can't conquer everything so they cut off her hair. She pretends to be a boy. She rides the pony across. The finish. Line wins the big race but falls off her horse right after crossing the finish line. The doctor is examining her discover. She's a girl. It's considered a four fifth. But it's okay. She didn't need the money she just wanted the glory of winning but no she wanted the glory of winning for the Pi. It's not about one of the pied know that he could do it. It's true and then at the end of the day because the source fully understands everything that's happening about the significance of this race and I'm sure the horse has had aspirations for wanting to win this race. It's whole life. She comes home and of course. There's a media circus that a girl jockey won this race and there are all these media opportunities that would bring their family tons of money but she says now because the pie would not enjoy it and the father is very sad and Mrs Brown says well I suppose it just begs. The question is a better to do the right thing for the wrong reasons of the wrong thing for the right reasons In my says it's time to go. I'm off to the next adventure. Ride off into the sunset but poor velvet is so sad and she chases after him on the Pied. Tell him the truth about why he came to their family. The Oh right National Velvet. Ten Ten Taylor. I would not call it a ten out of ten. Whoever according to rotten tomatoes it is the highest rated sports movie of all time within one hundred percent. So I- apparently am not in the majority on this one. Is there another movie? We've discussed that you at all thought about while we were watching. I did not think about this until I came to take down a few notes that I saw a little note that you had made. Yes for the beautiful listeners. At home something you don't know you know. Is that Keilan? I have a nice google drive folder for Oliver episodes and we each have our own notes. Dock and then we have a document with the outline and I made a mistake. It was crazy. I started writing the yearly. I'm not at all. I mean. National Velvet Outline. That's the name of our notes. Stock this timer. Yeah Boy Oh boy about twenty minutes in I was like oh no. We're watching the year. Lean again. That's another movie about a plucky kid with an unconventional pet. And I I really thought either velvet or the Pie was going to be a goner by the end of this movie. I resc- myself why I was bracing myself for Elizabeth Taylor to have to shoot this horse in that movie because it was foaming at the mouth with something corona virus. I don't know yeah I was expecting this to be or I was expecting her to fall off the horse and get thrown from Gone With the wind style and for her to just be local velvet and never be national velvet. I've to say I was pleasantly surprised. The end of this movie gave me a somewhat better opinion of it than the First Hour. So did okay and outside of our movies so it's too long. It's too long of a movie. You did not need Rooney going to get drunk in the city. I can't even tell you what that scene added to anything and several other things. It needed to be twenty to thirty minutes shorter but the ending was nice ears. She she didn't die. I liked that I was really expecting her to die. I was expecting yet the horse to to put down or that too but they both lived. Neither of them died What a crazy time so it was much better than the yearling in the long run. However I ask that we please not watch any more nineteen forties movies about children in their pets for this. Podcast has their voices are are strain. cash purrs not as bad as that little boy. But oh no. It's a lot still you know I. It does not bother me. I don't know if it's like I found her charming. She wanted me over by the end but it was a long journey fair gap. What did you think I mean? I enjoyed the movie. It would enjoy happy for you. And I just feel like we've gone through some not super recently purchased. That are just so annoying to meet 'em to watch and this one was really slake those those. Nice House entertaining. I wasn't checking my watch. Not that I wear a watch but I wasn't checking the clock on my phone. This is better movie than Mommy. Dearest. I'll give you that. Yes yes so stuff like that and it just wasn't traumatizing. You know being abused. No one dies. Because then I just watched movie on Net flicks and his justice oppressing and unnecessarily to where it's like that didn't make sense name names. What was the movie? It was all the beautiful places. I don't know that one. With Justice Smith who is not will smith son known but he was in the pokemon movie. But that's not why we care. He was in the show that we watched because it was struck by Baas Lerman. Oh the get down get down which I love. And he was in paper towns which was adorable okay. I didn't see that one very ended. Had Elle fanning in it? So it just? It just didn't work for me. I wasn't even didn't feel sad about spoiler alert. Someone dies and because it just didn't make sense. I was like that now. They're not so anyways all that to say national velvet was not depressing and it was just nice and stuff happened and someone got to follow her dreams. You know. In which case in real life she would have died. Though this race was intense people ha- jockeys were getting thrown off their horses. This girl had literally never practiced this course and had never raced to the source before. No no Mickey Rooney should have saved her and done something to prevent her from getting on that. Course 'cause she would have died in real life. Yeah I thought that Mickey was going that my was going to ride her and granted. It was about to tell her all right the pie tomorrow but then she walked in and she was already wearing the jockey outfit. Yeah so that would've worked too. Because it was still him conquering his fear. Yeah and it would've been nice full circle for him and then he wouldn't have had to be a vagabond again. Could have been a Jackie again now. Speaking of other movies we've watched recently that we didn't like I think I also came into this movie predisposed not to like it. Why because the movie started in the first name that came on the screen was Mickey Rooney? And I had just watched Mickey Rooney movie and it was like my first Real Mickey Rooney movie. He's a very terribly offensive stereotype of Japanese character in breakfast at Tiffany's huges character. Exactly all it's just like even if for some reason you don't believe it's offensive which it is but if for some reason you believe that you can't even defend it as a good performance. It's just like a really weird character so my that was my one experience with Mickey Rooney. And then my second experience was a recent movie. I watched on Turner. Classic Movies called. Strike up the band and in the middle of this movie. I love musicals. It has judy Garland in it. It on paper. I should love this movie. He is so much in that movie in the middle of it. I was like I think everyone who hates musicals thinks all musicals are like this in which case I would hate musicals to. He is just over the top like a cartoon character of the whole time. What does he has been called? Strike up the band directed by busby Berkeley. Who's a classic Musicals Guy on paper? This should be great. It's not great. He is not that way in national velvet. But going into this movie I was like Oh no I'm going to have to watch the sky again and this level girl or the horse is GonNa die and this is gonna be the yearling two point. Oh even though. The yearling came out a year later. I just can't do this so as pleasantly surprised by the end. Okay that's fair. Nobody Died Mickey. Rooney showed character development without being hitting the drums with his arms and a wide circle. It was a lot well Mickey Rooney. I've got some fun facts about that guy before we move onto fun facts will. This is related. Can I ask? How old did you think he was in when you were watching? This movie had that I don't know he looked like maybe eighteen. Yeah I thought he was like fourteen so it was real weird for me that he was showing velvet the ropes and then I looked it up after the movie and he was twenty five. Oh Wow waving this guy. Rooney apparently five to though I yes all he was five two make you Rooney. Did you know he was married? At one. Point. Out of his eight marriage is one of them at the Taylor. Their one of them was a gardener. Who the barefoot. Contessa WW TB FC. Gilmore Girls Season Senate contest. Do really well couldn't sleep and initially I was at a loss I mean. How would I pass the time until my one and only offspring the fruit of my loins early loin fruit that she is strangled out of bed to grace me with their presence? But then I asked myself. B W TBS CD and it came to me in a flash. I'm GONNA make waffles. What would the barefoot Contessa do exactly fair toward shut up? Fruit and AVA Gardner one of her other marriages was to artie. Shaw who we talked about one. That was like one of our. Og's yeah so just kind of interesting connections but make you Rooney. I just I was just fascinated. This isn't necessarily doesn't necessary to our discussion but just guy. He was married. Eight Times six of the marriages end in divorce. His first wife Ava Gardner. He was married to four year. Kashid it and then like a year or so later he was married to second wife another short marriage and then another one after another one. They're all very close together in nineteen fifty eight. He was married to Barbara Thompson and she was murdered by her secret lover so lakes that were divorced but she was already cheating on him so wouldn't have lasted. He then married her best friend and that marriage lasted one hundred days. And it's like a rebound set. Some people do rebound girlfriend or boyfriend. Heated rebound marriage cool. Yeah and then. His last wife Jan Chamberlin. That marriage lasted thirty. Four years which is longer than all of his seven previous marriages combined and it ended when he died in two thousand fourteen but they had already separated in twenty twelve. So still. That's a long time. That's what thirty two years of not separated. Yeah I guess when it works out when you know you know when you're mature enough maybe to ready the handle it so yeah interesting guy. But did you know that Mickey Rooney? This was not his only horse movie. No in nineteen seventy nine. He was in the Black Stallion and he old guy on an island are something like that and he helped kid who had his horse black stallion. He helped train the horse and taught him how to be a Jackie full circle and that horse was named the black. Because it can't just be pie and black which is also a weird name. But it's the black from now on. I'd like you to call me the Taylor. I will do that as long as you. Call me the KYLA. Alright the KYLA. So just Mickey Rooney. I went down a little rabbit hole with him. Well I'll tell you he's better in national velvet than he wasn't breakfast at Tiffany's or in strike up the band that I'm glad he improved for you. some holiday dot today. You'll be any place my feet taping that souls over there going my father's butcher that's nice. I have two brother chumming. Got The whole world by Paul left well before we get to committed to are the names though the Kyla. Can I tell you the name of the real the Pie? Yeah wait let me guess the cake sure. Why not any other guesses no all right well in real life? This horse's name was King Charles. Pretty Regal and I think there's something about the and also king they both have elevated sense of like Charles you can just call this chucker some guy whatever but the pie King Charles. You've gotta take a source seriously. Intenda another fun fact about King Charles. Guess who he was given to after filming of. This movie was over Angela Lansbury close but no cigar. Elizabeth Taylor got to keep this wars and it was given to her after filming on her thirteenth birthday. Wow that's very nice. Even Lauren Graham Shit. Even she had the sneak out. Gilmore Jacket at the end of filming season seven. But here. Also Taylor that a whole horace I guess is a Queen Right King Charles and Queen Elizabeth. You might say well now today. You're like Oh wow Elizabeth Taylor got a free pony good for her but at the time she was not such a big deal and this was really her breakout role. She'd had a few small roles before but she was really the standout. She got a of great reviews for her performance. In this movie one reviewer said that she was faded for a great name in pictures when they saw her in this land. Another said stardom as inevitable for her. So she just had a great reception in this role and this is extra sweet because she really fought for this role which sounds a little silly. Since she was so young she was eleven years old when she got this role but she said originally. They thought that she was too short. She was too small. They didn't think that she would be able to pass for a young girl that would be able to pass for a jockey on. Moore's they were like just too small. This wouldn't work and so she decided she was going to grow up so she could get this role so for three months she ate huge quote unquote farm breakfasts every morning. It was a diet high in protein and CARBS. She did in exercise regimen that included swimming horseback riding in hanging from Bard stretch her spine. Oh and she's been riding horses since she was three so this was probably second nature so after she did this. She came and told the studio what she'd done and she had grown three inches and they were like all right. You get the rule so she really fought for this role. Even at a young age she knew what she wanted and later in her life. She said I think velvet is the most exciting film I've ever done at the end to be given the horse on my thirteenth birthday while it was one of the moments of my life and she did a lot of her own writing in the movie. She said in her autobiography that she was the only person who could ride. King Charles. Wow okay she felt connection. Yeah makes me wonder if they really had her out on the track at the end. The movie has that was seemed super dangerous. So maybe that wasn't King Charles. They had out on the track at the end. If that's the case while it's really special I liked your so. She had a real special connection with her pony which is pretty cute. Almost crazy one off. For what a wonderful idea you have to cut my hair. Mikhail's Astra Heights and the description of the kids papers oversee the grand national is no came a little girl girl. If you cut my hair stupid scenario neck exactly broke tyler. Take Tito be angry. You know the pie would veggies hot for me. Forty horses and riders. Ready tramp over. I'm not you're right though that I wanted to do it. But he'll be an enchanted horse with invisible wings to take over every jumpy ride home wall. Should we talk about how this reference fits into the world again? We'll girls I should say. So let's Giddy on up over there and talked about it so we'll side note though you think maybe Luke meant to call the decorator national velvet because her voice is pretty extra. She is very perky. This is to be true. There's this room I don to do in here for this. I will say injury watching this episode because I've watched it multiple times. Not even talking about this with you beforehand. She did stand out to me as a little extra this address or maybe she was told to play it that way. I don't know yet that could be but she has felt. I'm Kinda surprised Laurel. I didn't get bogged by her. 'cause it seems like she would have been an easy target to mock well to be fair. Anyone can be an easy target for Laura lied mock. That's true but I guess she just liked her skills than Wanda work with her But anyways National Velvet Velvet loved. Her horse loved horses. An insane amount so laura licensing. I've always wanted pony if it's Do you think that's true? Are there other instances in which law rely says? She's always wanted a pony. I don't she's always talked about having horses at their in when she could open one but I don't remember her talking about horses like as a little girl. I wanted to horse because her parents were rich. She could've asked for a pony. May Does Rag the question why Richard. Emily didn't get her a pony or take her to the stables at the country club Wa. Yeah No horseback riding lessons. And maybe I'm just reading into this too much because of how I watched the movie. But don't you think in Luke's tone of voice here? He's kind of condescending to lure allies enthusiasm okay national velvet. I get it. You're really excited about this pony but the rest of us live in a real world huddle Mickey Rooney in that. Well Yeah I would say a little over her optimism. Yes ooh I didn't catch that. She does win him over in the end though as she always does they love to fight but law. Rely almost always wins. The woman is the naked. She can turn the head anyway. She wants Sir Kyla so Taylor. That's her show. That's our show we won. We don't have the money to pros at national. Let's follow the girls exhaustion. This podcast should be known as the grand. So it's a show. Yes the national podcast or the so. It's a show the celtics shell although facebook. They dropped the so weird. So where can are cool. Peeps find us. You can find us on twitter at Sosa show. You can find us on the Tumbler DOT COM. Not Show to show. You can let us know your thoughts by send us an email to show at Jima Dot Com. You can leave us a review anywhere. You listen to podcasts. We love those reviews. Hint Wink Wink. Uh-huh end we don't mean to hype ourselves too much but we do. WanNa tease that. We have a special guest in our next episode de might just want to keep coming back for. Come check it out. We'll be mixing it up a little. Here's a teaser. For next up Luke. Keys Kirk what are you doing? I need your help. I'm filling the coffee here behind me. What am I looking Arthur? He's still there who Lulu is loose. Still there. You mean your date Yes Lulu twelve. What I mean. Catch UP ANTI-MISSILE BS. She's still there. Sure sure enough getting behind my counter. I don't know what to do. What are you talking about? I just looked over there and everything seemed fine. Exactly everything seemed funny. So doesn't it seem weird to you now really. Yes a little bit. So why question? Go back over there. I can't I don't understand what's happening. I mean she was looking at me directly at me at first. I thought I had something on my lip. Product brushed and nothing. She was just looking at me mouth. That's good and I prepared several small talk subjects to the evening. And I haven't used one of them Jamaican too much of this. This is not how it's supposed go. I'm supposed to take her out. We're supposed to exhaust my prepared subjects immediately in the minute. I get up and go to the bathroom. She is supposed to sneak and we hear humiliated. Now I've been to the bathroom three times and I have to tell you I did not have to go in. Every time I came back to the table she was there and she was smiling. And did you see her touch the hell that means she likes you so you take that back hurt. I am not going to fight with you over you not believing that this girl likes you because to be honest with you. I'm a little fuzzy on the line myself but bottom line is she does. She does gas. She's laughing and smiling. And buckle up cowboy because I think he might actually touch you again in fact. There's a frightening chance she might so my advice to you is to call back over there and continue doing what you've been doing. I was doing my Jon. Cryer from pretty in pink compression duckie yes duckie. Were you near the end of the movie? Just getting into the tribal tenderness plenty of analysts. Come on back over there. You think she likes me. I think she likes you. Think she likes me.

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Episode 13: Velociraptors and Harvey

The Anthropocene Reviewed

20:49 min | 1 year ago

Episode 13: Velociraptors and Harvey

"The reviewed is supported by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt publisher of liquid rules, the delightful and dangerous substances that flow through our lives by Mark Madoff. Nick, author of the New York Times bestseller stuff matters. Listener supported w in C studios. Hello. And welcome to the scene. Reviewed a podcast where we reviewed different facets of the human centered planet on a five star scale. I'm John green. And today, I'll be reviewing Veloce rafters and the nineteen fifty American film Harvey. But let's begin with the loss of rafters which were not, particularly famous dinosaurs. Until nineteen ninety when Michael Crichton's novel Jurassic Park was published the novel about a theme park containing dinosaurs created from cloned DNA samples became a runaway bestseller and then three years later. Steven Spielberg's film adaptation, brought the novels dinosaurs to all inspiring life with computer generated animations the likes of which movie goers had never seen before even twenty five years later, Jurassic Park dinosaurs, still look astonishingly lifelike, including the Veloce rafters, which are portrayed as scaly creatures about six feet in height from present day, Montana. Crichton's veloce. Raptors are the kind of terrifying. Intimidating animal you might want to name say a professional sports franchise after and indeed when the National Basketball Association expanded into Canada in nineteen ninety-five Toronto chose as its team name the raptors. Today, the velociraptor stands alongside t Rex and stegosaurus as among the best known dinosaurs. Even though the actual creatures that lived in the late Cretaceous period. Some seventy million years ago have very little in common with the Veloce raptors of our contemporary imagination for starters Veloce raptors did not live in. What is now Montana? They lived in. What is now Mongolia and China, and while they were smart for dinosaurs. They were not smarter than dolphins or whales. They were probably closer to chickens or possums. Also, they were not six feet tall. They were about the size of Turkey. But with a tale that could stretch for over a meter they weighed less than fifteen kilograms. So it's difficult to imagine one killing a human. In fact, they were probably mostly scavengers eating meat from already dead carcasses, a famous fossil discovered in nineteen seventy one in mono. Golda preserved velociraptor walked in battle. With a pig sized dinosaur called proto Sarah tops, the philosopher after appears to have had one of its sickle shaped claws imbedded in the neck of the prototype era tops, which was biting down on the velociraptor arm when they were both suddenly buried in sand perhaps due to a collapsing sand dune at any rate because of this fossil we can be reasonably sure that velociraptor did hunt. But we don't know how often or whether they hunted in packs. Also, Veloce rafters were not scaly. But feathered we know this because researchers found quill knobs on a velociraptor forearm in two thousand seven, but even in Crichton's day, most researchers thought Veloce raptors and other members of the dromaeosaur had family were feathered, although velociraptor are not believed to have flown their ancestors. Probably did Mark neural of the American Museum of natural history. Put it this way the more. We learn about these animals the more we find out that there is basically no difference between birds and they're closely related dinosaur. Ancestors like velociraptor both have wishbones brooded their nests possess hollow bones and were covered in feathers. If animals like velociraptor were alive today. Our first impression would be that. They were just very unusual looking birds as a paleontologist recently pointed out to me. If you ever see a picture of a large bird without feathers, your I thought will be look at that a dinosaur. I don't recommend booking pictures of birds without feathers, by the way, pretty disturbing stuff. Crichton based is Veloce raptors on a different dinosaur. The Dinu Nike's which did live in present day, Montana and was the approximate size and shape of Jurassic parts, Veloce raptors, although diner, Nike's was also feathered, and, you know, not smart enough to open doors, or whatever Creighton took the name velociraptor because he thought it was more dramatic, which presumably is also why the theme park is called Jurassic Park in the book, even though most of the dinosaurs in the park did not live in the Jurassic age which ended one hundred forty five million years ago, but instead in the Cretaceous age which ended sixty five million years ago with the extinction event that resulted in the disappearance of around three quarters of all plant and animal species on earth, including all large species of what we now consider dinosaurs. As with so many things the way we think about Veloce raptors says more about us than it does about them. Ultimately Jurassic Park is about humans who cannot resist the urge to do. What is possible? Even if the creatures we resurrect end up killing us, it's a story of unintended consequences and those consequences could not arrive in the form of like knee, high carnivorous turkeys, really, even what we do know or think, we know about dinosaurs is endlessly shaped by assumptions and presuppositions some of which will eventually prove incorrect in ancient China dinosaur, fossils were believed to be dragon bones in sixteen seventy six the first dinosaur bone to be described by European scientists piece of thighbone from a megalosaurus was believed to have come from the kinds of giants described in the bible that bone. Incidentally, was named scrotum humanos, which is a reasonable description of its approximate shape. The Taranath source. Rex wasn't named until nineteen o five. The first velociraptor fossil was discovered in nineteen twenty four scientists have been debating for over a century, whether the long necked Brontosaurus of the Jurassic age even existed or whether it's just a misidentified Passos. The Broncos tour's was real in the late nineteenth century only to become a fiction for much of the twentieth. Only to become real again in the last few years history is new and prehistory is newer and paleontology is newer still. The weird thing about Veloce rafters is that even though I know they were basically flightless predatory birds not much larger or smarter than a swan. I still can't help but see them as bipedal featherless lizards of human height. When I imagined knowing the facts doesn't really help me picture the truth. That's the wonder and terror of computer generated images for me, if they look real my brain isn't nearly sophisticated enough to understand that they still aren't real like the velociraptor I have a large brain for my geologic age, but maybe not a large enough one to survive effectively in the world where I find myself. My is still believe what they see long after visual information stopped being reliable. I give the Lhasa rafters two and a half stars. After the break will turn her attention to Harvey. But I if you ever find yourself with some spare time on the internet, I recommend visiting media Commons and searching for pictures of people reading by candlelight. It's fascinating to see. How different artists have depicted candlelight throughout history and also to learn just how poorly lit nighttime reading was until the twentieth century. Which reminds me that the scene reviewed is supported by skill share an online learning community for creators with thousands of classes and design business and more that you can take during the day or in the evening, you'll discover countless ways to fuel your curiosity creativity and career join the millions of students already learning unskilled share today with a special offer just for anthem passing reviewed listeners. You can get two months of skill share for free to sign up to skill share dot com slash anthro. That's right SCO shares offering anthem interviewed listeners two months of unlimited access to over twenty five thousand classes for free again. You can go to skill share dot com slash anthro to start your two months now. Once again, that's skill share dot com slash anthro. The movie Harvey stars Jimmy Stewart as Elwood p Dowd an alcoholic whose best friend is a six foot three and a half inch tall invisible. White rabbit named Harvey the film based on Mary Chase's Pulitzer prize winning play of the same name was an immediate critical and commercial success when it was released in nineteen fifty. But my story of Harvey begins in the early winter of two thousand one shortly after I suffered what used to be known as a nervous breakdown. I was working for booklets magazine at the time and living on the near north side of Chicago in a small apartment that I had until recently shared with a woman. I thought I would marry at the time I believed that are break-up had caused my depression. But now, I see that might depression at least in part caused the break-up. But regardless I was alone in what had been our apartment surrounded by what had been our things trying to take care of what had been our cat. It was at once utterly boring and absolutely excruciating. The psychic pain overwhelmed me, consuming, my thoughts. So thoroughly that I no longer had any thoughts only Payne Susan Zantac wrote that depression is melancholy minus its charms I hit become for some reason unable to eat food. So instead, I was drinking to two liter bottles of sprite per day, which is approximately the right number of calories to consume but not an ideal nutrition strategy. Every day. I would come home from work, and why on the peeling linoleum floor of what had been our kitchen, and I would look at the green parabolic rectangle of the kitchen window through the sprite bottle. And I would look at the bubbles inside that bottle clinging to the bottom trying to hold on. But inevitably floating to the top. And I would think about how I couldn't think. All I wanted was to be separated from the pain to be free from it. Eventually a day came when I could not pick myself up off that when the William floor, and I spent a very long Sunday thinking about all the ways that the situation might resolve itself. And then that evening thank God. I called my parents. And thank God. They answered my parents are busy people with demanding lives, and they were at my apartment within twelve hours of that phone call. The plan formed quickly. I would leave my job go home to Florida get into daily counseling or possibly inpatient treatment, they packed up my apartment, and there wasn't much left. My ex-girlfriend kindly agreed to take the cat. The only thing left was to quit. My job. I loved working at book list. I loved my co workers. But I also knew that my life was in danger tearfully told my supervisor that I was quitting. And he told me to talk to the magazine's publisher Bill ought I always thought of Bill as a character out of a new arm mystery novel, his incisive wit is both thrilling and intimidating. When I went into his office. He was surrounded by proof pages of the magazine. And he didn't look up until I closed the door. I told him that something was wrong with my head that I hadn't eaten solid food in a couple of weeks. And that I was quitting to move home to Florida with my parents, he was silent for a long time after I finished Bill is a master of pauses. And then it last he said. Why don't you just go home for a few weeks and see how you feel and I said, but you'll need someone to do my job and he paused for a long time again. And then said don't take this the wrong way kid, but I think we'll get by. At one point that afternoon. I started throwing up excessive sprite consumption may be and when I came back to my desk to finish packing up. My belongings. There was a note from Bill I still have it. It reads, John I stopped by to say goodbye hope all goes, well, and you're back here in two weeks with an appetite that would put a longshoreman to shame now. More than ever watch Harvey Bill. For years. Bill had been bothering me to watch Harvey, and is steadfastly maintained that black and white movies were universally terrible on account of how the special effects quality is poor and nothing ever happens except people talking anyway, I went back door Orlando where I'd grown up. It felt like such a failure to be they're living with my parents unable to do much of anything. I felt like I was nothing but a burden my thoughts world and swirled. I couldn't never think straight. I couldn't concentrate enough to read or write I was in daily therapy and taking a new medication, but I felt certain it wouldn't work because I didn't think the problem was chemical. I thought the problem was that at my core. I was worthless. Useless helpless. I was less and less each day. One night, my parents, and I rented Harvey because it was a daft it from play Harvey's really talking movie. Most of it takes place in only a few locations to house Elwood p Dowd shares with his older sister and his niece the sanatorium where many believe Elwood belongs on account of having a large invisible white rabbit as a best friend and the bar where Elwood likes to hang out, Mary Chase's dialogue is magnificent throughout the play a would soliloquies or just gorgeous. Like, here's how Ellwood recounts meeting Harvey. I'd just put at Hickey into attacks at had been mixing his ri- with his gin. I just felt that he needed to conveying. Well, anyway, I was walking down the street. And I heard this voice saying good evening, Mr. down. Well, it turned around. And there was this big six foot rabbit leaning against a lamppost. Well, I thought nothing that because when you lived in a town. As long as I've lived in this one you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name or here's Ellwood talking about chatting with strangers at the bar. They tell me about the big terrible things they've done and the wonderful things they'll do their hopes and their regrets and their loves and their hates all very large because nobody ever brings anything small into a bar. L would tell his psychiatrist I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, doctor and happy to state I finally won out over it Ellwood is mentally ill. He's not much of a contributor to society. It would be easy to characterize him as worthless or hopeless. But he's also extraordinarily kind even in difficult situations when his psychiatrist says this sister of yours is at the bottom of a conspiracy against you. She's trying to persuade me to lock you up today. She. He had commitment papers drawn up. She has the power of attorney over you would replies. My sister did all that in one after noon that Vitas certainly is a whirlwind isn't chief. And yet despite not being a traditional hero of any kind Ellwood is profoundly heroic at one point he says years ago. My mother used to say to me she'd say in this world, would you must be she always called meal would in this world. You must be oh, so smart or Oso pleasant. Well for years. I was smart. I recommend pleasant. In the winter of two thousand one there was perhaps no human alive on earth who needed to hear those words more than I did. I don't believe in Piff unease. I've never had a blinding light awakening that lasted for more than a few days. But I will tell you this. I have never felt as hopeless since watching Harvey as I did just before I watched it. It was probably the therapy and the medication, of course, but Ellwood played his part. I hope you never find yourself on the floor of your kitchen. I hope you never cry in front of your boss, desperate with pain. But if you do I hope they will give you some time off until you would Bill told me now more than ever watch Harvey. I give Harvey four and a half stars. Thanks for listening to this episode of the anthropology and reviewed which was written by me and produced by Roseana Halse row Haas. Stan Muller and Tony Phillips Hannah's Brown. Composed music. Joep Lord is our technical director. Thanks, also to my son. Henry I suggesting the review of the rafters if you'd like to suggest a topic for review or just say, hi, you can Email us at anthroposophic reviewed at gmaiLcom or find us on Twitter for Facebook. We'll be back on the last Thursday of next month with two new reviews. My favorite fact that didn't make it into today's reviews. Harvey was directed by Henry Koster, a Jewish filmmaker who fled his native Berlin in nineteen thirty four Coster discovered. Abbott and Costello and directed everyone from Ava Gardner to Marlon Brando for the last forty four years of his life. He was married to the actress Peggy Moran who appeared in every single movie. Koster made during their marriage. But usually in the form of a statue Moran. Sculpted face appears in the longest shot in Harvey. And a special thanks to Bill who has just retired after more than thirty years at book list. Bill is dare I say it a five star mentor and person, and I am so grateful to him.

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Tuesday Special: I'll Be Seeing You

Fame is a Bitch

44:03 min | 1 year ago

Tuesday Special: I'll Be Seeing You

"Hey everybody AJ Benza here for fame is a bitch this is your daily unfiltered podcast for October Twenty Ninth Twenty Nineteen Tough Day Today Tough Day Rob Evans is dead and a lot of tation that you wouldn't have had during the party let's say and I had many of those nights but you know I'm were and still are real fathers to me but I don't know what else to call Robert Evans I've thought about it in and I don't like to use the term father figure I always feel slightly to my father and my brother my brother in Law Jack both and I'm certainly the person that admits that but when he had these parties Evans had a way of inviting the world and of course he knew the world and if you're lucky if you never sat or laid in Robert Evans bed than I can safely say you couldn't have known him not all of them anyhow because that's the hours right after I learned he died and he was way more than a friend is more than a confidante he was a partner in crime sometimes he was an amazing this is through his through his guests that was his custom and then at the end of the night before you left the party you went in the bedroom to say goodbye and pay your respects and that's where you had some intimate not in a room but but but able to speak to them and drink with them and it'll flat new I'm not saying they're more important understand that from the stories I've told and it's nice to know that the stories I've told him not become boring because I know I've told a lot of stories about Bob where Evans had you if you were anything to him the bedroom and the bed were where're you let it all hang out your there but when you're in there with him it meant an awful lot I've said this in the past he would have these wonderful parties like nobody's business awesome they're better than us but you know it is what it is they're movie stars and it will flatten you and you wouldn't be the only person to fall down at that happen to you around the Party and the party would spill out to pool even in the projection room at the back of his property and he would disappear and he would stay in his bedroom after he made to pass I many times opening house for me opening kitchen his car his projection room his life to me and of course his bed if you're in the room nine people who've been around very very famous people so they can understand what I'm talking about for football for all you have not been in the room with more than two or three stars and I don't listen I'm one of so many people he meant a lot to but it's nice even know that you know that you guys and to Jack and to my other brother-in-law Frankie who was there for me since I'm ten years old as well so but who would mine by the way because it was off to go you you assembled in the room and hit a little you know the House I've got to tell you the house was nothing ball I'll get to the house of the second but he so you stand in the room the middle room the fireplace room so to speak and and you look out over the pool and everybody in the world was there and Evelyn took make a trip or going to bed way I'm trying to think of a better term than father figure and I I can't come up with one so that's what I'm going to have to use with policies to my real father your innermost feelings what he didn't there was you know what he didn't there were no one was in there is anybody's guess I'm not going to go and like so many things my father laid out for me to find out befriending Evans was one more thing I felt I had to phil and I I came to meet him in case I never mentioned this as he was signing his books he was signing autographs At a mall in Westwood Evans who I told me well no it was my father who I told me that Evans was the guy that I wanna come back if I have died and came back to life I wanNA come back since I have knew what he meant by that but as I got older I understood more and more I understood stories I read stories and I got what my father rollercoaster kind of life that he'd been on not the murder charges and maybe not the big cocaine conspiracy but certainly the ups and downs. It's not hold up in some gated mansion but among the people in a mall so I was already huge fan of his movies Rosemary's baby Harold the newspaper that Evans is going to be at the Westwood Mall signing books and I figured I should go I figured that was a sign of all the days I was in Los Angeles and there you want Lord Chinatown Love Story and of course the Godfather to name a bunch and I was a huge fan and a big enthusiast of of all the ups and downs drove to the mall and I hadn't been to that town I dunno westwood from fucking Stockton WanNa know I barely knew anything about where I was had in his life I felt I could learn from a guy like that I think I was about thirty three thirty four and I already knew I already knew I was headed for the same -fornia and it was a Saturday afternoon and I was in la for work. I forget why I don't know what but I I saw him more than a few Hollywood people I've written about over the years and I walked by I said Hey Mike he's I didn't know you'd be here I said one I come upon this bookstore I see him sitting down the back of the bookstore and as fate would have it he was finishing up and there weren't many people around him maybe three or four people in one was his publicist a man named Michael Levine who I knew by chance because when I was gossip calms back in New York Michael handled in Canada. Say Hi Bob can you do that for me she's sure thing is Bob this is Aj Benza. He's the gossip columnist for the New York Daily News and ever woodland 'cause it's on Woodland Avenue Woodland Street I don't even know what the fuck woodland is except it's the street is houses on woodland and that's what everybody calls his beautiful home who's wearing his typical outfit. You know a turtleneck shirt slacks a bolo tie I think I know I have a picture of the day we met the first picture we ever took I'll try to find beautiful giant old sycamore tree that stood between the guest house and the famous projection room the place where the final edits of the I Jacqueline Bisset Robert Shapiro Geraldo Rivera Beverly Johnson Sean Penn David Bowie Iman Faye dunaway. Excuse me it was all I could I don't think they can be with me here I can stay in the guest room which by the way the guest room my God red velvet sheets blood red walls mirrored see way past the velvet ropes sanctified ground what Raleigh stars thinking of me being there feeling a view of the beautiful pool and those hundreds of rose bushes in Bloom hundred-year-old Eucalyptus trees by the tennis court and of course the so I'm floating on Air I know it sounds ridiculous and insane of me but I just knew I would never be the same again I'm not quite sure what that meant it made me but I knew I turned a corner in my life I felt like if I can give you a metaphor I've felt like above some people but all of a sudden this fucking horse turned and took off that's what I felt like just for meeting those fancy important just hop on a horse hop on a Horse I've only done it twice but I've been on a horse when you trotting and all of a sudden the horse has to get up a small hill and so he was in many ways the great gatsby when it came to throwing parties and even invite these people on the list of names that you you just you couldn't believe but he's having a little get together tonight small intimate party I think he'd enjoy it I want to say I don't want to be rude but I had to mention that blend and that night I took my friends there I took Margaret there and this Little Little Intimate Affair Warren Beatty Jack Nicholson if he thinks you should know me he's a very smart and he says where are you staying I said well I'm at the Balaj sunset and that's a mile from my house so for several years whenever I flew into Los Angeles I'd always asked to see if the guest house was empty and if I could stay there for a few days or a weekend or even the week rather I don't experience that much that's what it felt like to me that I had been trotting on a horse through life through my career a little then Brigham Miles says your house and we took a picture before we left and Michael Levine gave the details of the House on House that everybody called a father took place and he wouldn't dream of it he took me around the room and introduce me to everybody and he told Guys Jack in Warren he's one of us is one of us his food I liked it it felt like I had a father and I don't WanNa sound ridiculous I knew he wasn't dad but it just felt very wonderful relationship but just hold onto a wall with a drink in my hand and stare because it was a New York city gossip com is getting way inside got movie stars after hearing it from a guy who knew them all you know many of you know I'm not GonNa go back into Robin Evans Life and career but this is a Guy Brim said today have balls are they rebels like us already he's speaking about us like you know we've been friends I said yeah sure they you know the movie stars I don't know if you've met people like that in your life that you know your life is different from that moment on but you just knew and found kid and I introduced him to my girl and some friends I asked my you sure I can be here you know some of these people must be on edge maybe they WANNA be themselves the there was never a moment where wisdom wasn't imparted on me or a fantastic story was told to me from this set of the Godfather or about me a pharaoh and Franken and that's when Bob came to Hollywood and of all things he was recognized not recognized he was he was noticed at the poll at the Beverly Hills Hotel Pool by the actress Norma Shearer I just know very special people so what do you call those people if not a father figure I don't know I'm asking because I don't know that's when the horse kicks into a different horse power and you feel what's underneath your legs I know a few of my listeners have horses in you know what I'm talking about you know sunglasses on his face very tanned face like he just driven from Palm Springs with fucking top down and he's I know he is I know who he is in a hotel even though the daily news would pay for the hotel I figured out you know rather stay at Evans South drive the Jaguar he'd send me a hamburger hamburger hamlet to pick up AVA Gardner Larry Turn turn this is before I had my mysteries and scandals show so I mean when I finally got that show you think I didn't feel equipped came a name brand we all know I remember that those labels in my house and they did very well in the fashion business they sold the company for two million bucks you're so close you gotta stay my place I gotta say and I know what to say I mean I don't know if this is what people in La do this famous people do no and because of her word he got cast in that movie and the rest is history now he wasn't the greatest actor I've told you those stories about where to turn that was supposed to meet some girl Margaret Than Jermaine Jackson's ex wife Margaret Maldonado I still don't get to see her and I gotta see another couple of friends and he said Brigham stay in the picture was the mandate from the director and that was it I want to go into all that stuff you should know by now who he is and you'll read about him in today's obituaries but the the the the deep intricate stuff of Legend and Lore I can help you with because it happened to very few people he had many many friends I imagine the the experiences I had with him were my very own so I'd fly into La and ask and I stay and of course you'd always flirting and seeing car young before we were officially together she was still technically married and I was on the phone with her house one day and their Soho lofts an upstairs what brings you to L. A. I read your column Got Balls I like that and I told them what my father told me and I said no my dad was a smart man he wanted to be your father's a really smart guy let me I lost count how many times I stayed how often he let me stay and how long I could stay he never told me you gotta go there was a time when things are New York's downstairs beautiful home and we would say in some intimate things and our husband picked up another phone and heard some things and he didn't know was is used when I checked into hotels or when I just WanNa be silly she used the name Bonnie done that is the name that of a character Woody Allen has in his movie fire Chuck Zito the Hell's angel knocked me out at scores the nightclub on on orders from the mafia somebody stole somebody so I told Evans about it and I said I gotta get away for a while and he told them he was up he knew what was in store for me he should I was talking to Bonnie done and because she never gave me up she got hurt by him you know passionate marriage any out things who wanted to be a star he did he did some radio when he was younger but then he got very sick yet a collapsed lung and he couldn't do anything yet the rest for year he lost his momentum he said because you tell the truth and that scares people but you don't care men like US Popeye I am one am and that's all that him he had a way of talking that mesmerized does your house kid I can teach to get through bad times God knows your bad times ain't that bad at all it's all going to pass I said how do you know did he got really hot for me New York magazine had done a profile of me that got me in trouble it got me a lot of attention but got me in trouble it got my car lit on Broadway Danny rose guy that gets the shit beat out of him because Woody Allen Pinza crime onto the guy had nothing to do with so Carlo tell her husband they would send the camera crew to Evans backyard after all he was on Wilshire Boulevard a couple of miles away from Evans so that was easy and they liked the way as often as I could and as long as I filed my column for the Daily News they let me stay away from New York City it wasn't that hard to do and as for appearing on the gossip shows brought people knew I was seeing people knew we were on the sly word got around and I said I get the fuck out of New York not that I was afraid of husband's got beat me up but I just didn't want to be in New York it was too hot from Evans backyard because he said go right ahead I love it so Julia was hosting the show from the backyard patio and I was lying Lauren share looking over a script while I'm sure he said these things other people but when he told it to me told them to me I felt very special so I'd stayed is beautiful home and we were still great friends and living with Evans and reading a script for the for the movie saint while Val Kilmer was in the House unpacking to stay in another room while they got ready to play the lead role in the film how could that knock get to anyone's head how do you go back to New York City in fucking so we got in the fashion business with his brother and they started a business in ladies ladies ladies slacks eventually that name Brand Evan picone her who was about to about to start a movie about her husband Irving Thalberg and and and and she looked at Evan to the poll and say you remind me and my husband are you an actor felt that way at one point but I did I wanted out I wanted to I want to live like that and every night there was another beauty who came over to see Evans just like it looked when Greta Garbo earned own this house many years before that I'm soaking up the sunshine I dated Julie Brown a year earlier Evans Butler Alan brought me breakfast on a platter and I'm sitting there sipping a Bellini with the Pool Fountain shooting across the Pool and another beautiful girl and one time it was beverly Dangelo there's a long story about how she came to stay with him and live with him in the bedroom and she was very snow and sit in an office it was times like that that I began to question if I wanted to write gossip anymore it it's hard to believe the kid stays in the picture comes from because he was in the movie The Sun also rises and the cast was not into him being a bullfighter but you know the kid Eh and she would never let him know was me and I'll always love her because when he asked her who that guy was she was talking to she used a name that I've Evans that why she needed him and why he needed her at a certain point they were dating it was nothing that people knew but I knew and she was a Great Hi Jack is to Warren wasn't Warren's very stoic with his black leather jacket is his nice horn glasses and his jeans on broke into the laundry room and not in my building stole all my underwear it was insane it didn't make any sense but I was also caught when lady but when I went to him I was broken and car and I were coming to an end and there were rumors that she was seeing with Donald trump sweet to me and there's a Lotta pictures of Evans in the bed there's actually one of beverly in the background because the picture was taken by the Houseboy she's got a phenomenal story and then Jack Finishes off this way to get over a girl is to get under another that was the wisdom imparted to me that night they were handmade by by the mother of his houseboy real he's holding a ball grapes it's obvious that he just did some coke I could see it around his nose a little fucked up Evans hated trump so Jack Nicholson so did Warren Beatty and forgive me for telling this story again but it's probably the last time I'll tell it but I was holed up and one and Jack they both new car warren was dating Stephanie Seymour. When car and Stephanie was very good friends so he knew her they made a bunch of Times Jack warn the three wise men is there any trio of men that no more about women the fickle mistake possessed any three men but around those guys he had clipped way of talking there was a there was a shorthand that they had that I could pick up on very quickly you know Bob was a lover of women Jazi in the guest room this is nine hundred ninety seven I remember watching puffy combs sing the song all about the benjamins videos on MTV and oh car as well for a number of years and Warren Goes Well Kara sure is one of the beauties they never easy to get over it's tough it's it's pussy power there's nothing stronger and Evans then says with more emphasis one single pussy hair stronger than the transatlantic cable made me think of trump even more because the video was all about money and gold and I was like fuck this shit I was sick to my stomach and I was in the middle of writing car in email don't forget I'm sitting with the man who produced love story and there wasn't a lot that had to be set Evans could could talk and tell great big long stories for short and that got me out of my funk enough to go sit with them and watch a movie we have watched boogie nights and and have talked about women throughout the whole movie and I who sent me letters and texts notes and all sorts of things to to to say you're sorry to hear that because you know what he meant to me into these guys knowing they knew all there was to know as smart as I thought I was how foolish to think that any great love story was GonNa Cripple me and I was dumped by Lana Turner and Ava Gardner Far twenty-five it's over and I sat there and I'm so dejected but I knew it was right and he says what do you think seemed like a lover more than a playboy but Warren was a straight up conqueror and those guys rarely spoke about chicks they were with but I could see the if your look my God what a beautiful yard and eventually I asked him if I could host the show or at least allow me to Co host with downtown Julie Brown who was the host back then we can do it more about loss and heartache and then triumph I don't think so I can't think of any wearing velvet pajama bottoms a pair of Panty lady gave me L. A. Friday night and Evans called me on the Intercom won't you come out sufficient mayer come see us in the projection room the paint ain't GonNa go away all on and politely declined I said Look I'm writing Carney mail and you know anyhow ten minutes later there's a knock at my door to door pushes open it's Evans it's jackets Evans says it's over kid she dumped you I said Nah I think which is taking a break I think we'll get through this and he goes no I know more about this than anybody they warned spoke to me he had more of a like a callous way of of keeping women I don't mean that in a bad way but I understood him in a way that I can't even fully understand myself and that's very weird statement to make but I know what I mean when I say it I remember he dated this actress Joyce Heiser and the story was that she had to go to therapy I just had roxie and we ran into each other I'll go the restaurant I told them on finally a dad and he said well get ready because there's nothing like a little girl even in bed he dated women for their brains like Diane Keaton Jessica Savage Christina Onassis Mary Tyler Moore crise so I felt he knew age so when I when I sat up and listened to these guys talk girls you know I couldn't get enough it was a crash course in figuring out what it means to get them one of the things I cherished about him and those other guys as well as this unspoken rule they had which was never ask about talk about one another's loved say while in concert in La? Hey Warren has my Dick Taste he's he's yelled at out more than what's not anymore but he used to but Warren has for dating rich Hollywood actors there was Melanie Griffith Amber Smith Rachel Ward Julie Delpy the list goes on and on and Robert Evans ate them happy keep them happy and keep your sanity in the process and for all the coxswain stories I heard these guys tell I know all of them deep down just don't ask you don't WanNa know and they live by that and Evans had said that the continued silence as the greatest insurance policy for continued was talking about because I had a little of that in me as well not everybody data was a stark raving beauty some of them John had had brains to match friendship and to think as great as those guys war with women they'd be the first to tell you Evans was sort of an idol of theirs even though they're pretty much closer loved family more than anything and when Jack found a net I could see in his face the way he carries himself and then when he was a father to a daughter it really hit him guy said they feared the disillusionment of discovering that they'd been Eskimo brothers too many times over so underneath all the stories they had the same feelings ah sometimes I still do but there was a lot more learn from Evans than just gross stuff he he would tell me what Sinatra told him about people wanting and don't beat yourself up I know you will we all do I know what he meant because we we like to run around with girls for many years I know what he meant and I'm glad he said because like I said allow me to think I was but he on the cake that is Warren Beatty but you know and made sure that an betting knew he wanted to meet her you know and by the way she left Axl rose for Warren Beatty that's why axle has been known to ought to there's a reason why after slain with Melanie Griffith she let him be the godfather to her son I know women have slept with them Janice Dickinson told me he was he had high hopes for me but yet to hear him imitate Sinatra he he he when he first met Frank Sinatra said some kid your mind me although take my advice have your radar on high those fucking stories are too good not to here and that advice meant much more look the Fat Lady Sang so these anecdotes were fresh in his mind I mean the pages he'd written for that book was sprawled out on his bed any from you once you made it and had a little little little little money jingly in your pocket he told me it feels good to give but remembered frank told me you at on me so relaying something to me about frank that was fresh in his mind because I was met them a lot he was putting together his second thought we a little bit in common when it came to talking about women and Jack Outside of his longtime girlfriend Angelica Houston you know and the mother of his two kids Rebecca Brewster you know what do you think I get my habit of doing everything on my bed came from I write in bed I do this this podcast sitting on my bed my bed is my office four and it was that much more precious knowing it was words of wisdom that game from Frank Sinatra's mouth that was streamed through the heart of Robert Evans and land it lending it you're given it so make sure you can part with it I don't think he knew how would never have that kind of you know hundreds of thousands of dollars to give away but at least fresh canvas and I I know he loved having a new audience to tell us stories to it and and and portion out his advice I was going to stop him he would say you know what been watching you close they tell me you're coming off great been around long enough to have a knows who's GONNA make it new ain't you got a shot all the way take some advice from a guy who has never learnt when it comes to those hangers on I said with work or with girls he said it's all the fucking same kid one don't come out the other and you know I know when he met me I was kind of long enough to know that he he probably says this stuff to a lot of people but it felt great to hear it about me and he said Yeah one good looking kid you're gonNA do greatness town. Jack was very busy in the nineties when I was around him Angie Everhart Kate Moss Amanda dekalb May who to call demand at the cartier because she had a pension so evans is always trying to get me ready that first night I hung with them he leaned in real close to me and I had known that long or at least I had hey for their love affairs unless they were widely known by the public and even then when it came to the intricacies of a relationship no questions asked they frank told me when I was twenty five years old twenty five year old snot nosed kid I said what did he tell you he said you're Eagle tells them dame's Dina Fuck you they are yeah but you good anybody walk away from words and stories like that you know I'm certain certain that those stories may have abused as hospitality with maybe I stayed too long sometimes he never let me know it the only time he ever told me no and I asked him you know in loaning comes losing losing a friend that is was constant it was like a machine gun if they don't like the answer they ain't worth work needed temporary fix fifty hundred five hundred thou- payback in a day a week a month don't matter don't let them give give half tell them and tell them all you don't believe in you're the one who ends up getting fucked hit for every penny got need wheels rent you name it they'll ask you for it if at any dame guy a relative an old towel they come out of the I asked him things that he normally didn't like to do I'd ask them if you'd speak to New York magazine the boundary when they were doing a story I asked him about speaking of New York observer about me he always said yes you never owen never fails every time I learned the buck lapel don't be like me kid spreading your legs everybody got it so tell me I mean it didn't stop so raw and I would have loved to got married him and all I don't care all the divorce moby Dan because it's such a beautiful spot that I am you know he repeats he repeats himself a lot but who gives a shit so does grandparents they mean well I asked them once before Loyd and he's a kid I love nothing more for you and your lady fair to be here but it's a disaster zone it's a maze of yellow tape and misery and and when I asked them you know can I do it he had been a terrible fire in his backyard and the projection room that famous room was partially destroyed let me down and he said great things in the papers he said Yeah Aj speaks the truth and people admire that I have Mirandola he's helping actor too he's like Papa amland that's all talking about Evans I can't do it today too choked up but Hofmann does one that's insanely perfect it's more of the eighties with a great guy like Evans there are moments that just come alive one second he's the Maestro who produced the greatest films cinema's most amazing decade seventies nowadays regularly he loved films more than anyone you ever knew and Dustin Hoffman as a guy who made marathon man with Evans and other a second later he's Willy Loman he's out there with a smile and that's all a great salesman needs because Evans was a man of dreams from the when I got married I said look you know I'd really like to get married underneath that Sycamore tree you got in the backyard where a lot of people have gotten hitched before including him and Allie. I knew that wasn't going to happen I told my wife and you know we kind of had our hearts but at least we knew that he would've let it happen if there weren't a fire but look coked out Evans but it's still fantastic and one night Evans had a bunch of people to the House to screen the documentary the kid stays in the picture I script the ever had till the very end he was a man of dreams he had more heart and passion than the next next ten next twenty schmucks you see getting pictures great film I forgot to mention but he's also got it does the best impression of Evans I'm embarrassed to do mine mine's not even an impression I could I could do it if I'm sitting down and Kyle I'm getting so many people texting me right now because today I can't answer obviously but I remember that night really well because he was at the house quite a bit and she was in the kitchen making a sandwich so I remember I sat on the floor next to the screen and then Beverly Johnson the beautiful model and there was one seat left and it was reserved for Allie McGraw Evans ex wife who ran away on them with Steve McQueen many many years ago but they're still friends they have a son together Josh words in the picture ran and we all laughed and cried at various parts if you haven't seen that documentary Gog fuck and see tonight it is there wasn't enough room to sit in all the chairs and the projection room after Jack and Marin Jacqueline beside and whoever mccarroll was there and other people at settled in attic but you know to see this picture with those people assembled was out of this world from it was out of body and at the end often didn't impression of Evans and you know I've seen it before because it's a piece of film Evans had that he would show once in a while and is in his special collection of pieces of film and Old Stuffy had show it to to guess who hanging around but there's this one part where Hoffman get serious and tries to tell you what makes Evans agree lay down next to me and asked if you could lay your head on my thought so obviously for many reasons I'll never forget that night and Evan said Homerun but that was Bob Evans always selling I remember when I was a nobody well I was just a columnist adduce and he tells this story about Evans on the set of marathon man handing Hoffman a script and hop and says he doesn't remember the name of the movie car and when he said star he made you feel like you've earned that title obviously and Evans told him he'd read the he's Jonah read the script patched into the call and I had this phone call tape it's insane is very poor quality it's Kinda low and now it's old twenty something years old but as Mickey Rock on the call and Hopkinson Bob I can't have so many lines to remember for tomorrow scenes I give me a couple of days kimmy week ev it's impossible impossible got made but Evans says the often you see what I have here right and Hopkins says Yeah Yeah it's a script no no it's not stop script this is maybe the finest script have written ten years maybe fifteen years and you're the first again okay really I swear to God you're the First Not Jack Not Warren you're the first because I want you to have it stolen calls coming and we're talking about a script he'd sent me to read about a mafia movies Jimmy something or other I can't think of the name I think George Galloway the three of these guys but if you're looking back now back then I was in my head was in the stars but looking back now all three us so Hoffman agrees to read it nick stay comes in the set Evan is all over what did you think the first radio you know that right I know about what Dr again offences can't it's important tonight it's for your career I'll be honest with you it's for my career this is going to be very big listen in on such times that would make even the toughest men insecure says a lot and I'm forever indebted and I told stallone that you can withstand anything like I do now I'm not stupid I know other time I got to know Evans he was trying to claw back to a level of respect I get that this town can be very cruel and often said they don't wish you unless they know the cancer is incurable that's the fucking away this town is and the jealousy factor it all that much more unbearable but I've always clung to people who find themselves on their back I know that position I saw my father do I think it's terrific best gripped everyone take us it's a home run we'll have a pick of the rectus what do you think and Hopkins says I don't like it Bob I think it works I think it's a bad script and stallone gets patched into the call I thought I died and gone to heaven that doesn't happen to you who the fuck was on being a call with with grace more than I care to remember it's why whenever I think of my father or Evans for that matter I tend to think of that image a Willy Loman and Evans shoots back perhaps right it's terrible script you're gonNa make it a great script you're GonNa fix it we're both Gonna fix it we'll give it to you I we're GonNa fix it it's going to be terrific Oregon and more than anything else the image of a need greater than hunger or thirst or sex or anything mm-hmm we're in a valley they couldn't get shit done no way no how they will all searching for another peak and their careers the fact that they amazing man it reminded me of the day in New York City that Ilia Kazan couldn't get into a fucking party for a Bronx Tale because these young assholes we you know why because you're the first not jack dot worn they're going to hear about it it'll be very embarrassing for me I need you to retain right now get back three to four the need to leave a thumbprint somewhere in the world the need to be immortal I can't tell you how much I've led my life that way like me we all think that way at the end of his great book the Kid stays in the picture he wrote where is everybody and more than a lot of men I know I think Bob Evans understood that irony better than anybody in the world it's what made him him it's what made Bob Bob and it's what made him collect friends ed mostly wealthy some destitute many retired supposedly I ain't seen him one thing I do know I in debt i Evans knew that you can't help but get stronger when when when heroes of yours let you listen to them lick their wounds it does something to you it makes you after the salesman and as author Mila said about death of a salesman he his play he said that play came from images the image of aging the image of France city I happen to know Bob I already met him back in New York run phone together and it was just an afternoon not the most going on with shooting the shit as he's talking to me is phone clicks on two of the those kind of begged out nicely and I didn't WanNa tell them that sidelined and said they had boyfriends or we're expecting them to be home and look it was a far cry from ain't wealthy i-in destitute and I am retired well let me tell you something I knew that man when he was all of those things and even then he was more of a somebody who kind of got lost and I get to this party and as Evans clinging to a table and no one's there to to extend an arm it broke my heart this this this who can recall Oh boy the fun we had that's for the book but I did finally get in touch with them when my wife but I would tell her look I remember the day the night that I helped him walk around backyard pool after his stroke there was a party wants in Hollywood and somehow he ended up there was correct one point which is so weird because now Gallo set to the wreck my film it's such a small world and I'm reading the script that I'm telling what I liked what I don't like and all of a sudden Mickey Rourke gets it I could've used some words of wisdom back then and I call the must've been march or April I forget wasn't that long ago and it wasn't easy glad to see me in a sea of unfamiliar faces as small as Hollywood as you think God you think anybody would fucking know who he was but no I know they were looking at a genius and here we are and there's Robert Evans in the backyard in the Hollywood hills looking like he's always looked demands pride and vanity to a woman sometimes sometimes men are even worse when it comes to how wjm ar so I called him genius than anybody I know my wife used to push me to go see him and call Mancha call evidence you know you get you should talk to those nineties to call me into his room and we'd sit with a drink his drink was always the same a triple scotch through a straw and he told me I feel like a black girl tonight but I knew it was the truth and stay with me and settle in my heart fast like fucking concrete and then after a few uncomfortable moments Vinai separated and it took me a while to collado why he he he'd been through that and a lot worse in his life and his seven marriages I know when people are sick and on their way out not in like it and that's partly why didn't WANNA call pop by I know him a friend but I can Bob Evans but that's 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Richard Linklater Adds 'Bernadette' To His Roster Of Seekers

The Frame

26:24 min | 1 year ago

Richard Linklater Adds 'Bernadette' To His Roster Of Seekers

"And h._b._o. Presenting game of thrones critics have hailed the final season as t._v.'s greatest show of all time and era defining nominated for thirty eighty two emmys including outstanding drama series the most emmy nominations of any drama ever from the mon broadcast center k._p._c._c. This is the frame i'm khloe veldman filling in for john horn on today's show. Why a mural. It's a high school. In san i am francisco is making headlines decades after it was painted then richard linklater's new movie explores what can happen when creatively driven people put that passionate aside. There's a certain kind of personality that has to express itself and when that gets thwarted or blocked it can be very toxic outcome and samantha be on why donald trump isn't necessarily good for comedy. All that's coming up on the frame. I'm khloe veldman filling in for john horn. I'm an arts and culture reporter at k. Q. e. d. in san francisco and a work of art in my longtime home has recently become the focus of national attention. It's a massive colorful mural depicting the dark side of colonial rule in this country and it's adorned the walls walls of san francisco high school since the mid nineteen thirty s the vibrant but controversial life of washington fresco has parents teachers students and local residents alike like all giving about whether it's appropriate for high school that led to a decision this week by the san francisco unified school district board to cover it up veteran auto journalist. Lee rosenbaum is among the many commentators to weigh in as the drama has unfolded over the summer. She started by describing what the mural depicts i've only seen images of it and so it's hard for me to really appropriately critique it but it goes through various scenes of the life of washington and some of them have to do with the war some of them have to do with talking to benjamin franklin and other luminaries stories about the future direction of the country and some of them that the two inflammatory ones show a dead indian with pioneers walking right by that body going towards the west and the other one shows slaves working in mount vernon george washington's estate so it's celebratory celebratory of washington but it is also deeply critical of some of the things that were going on at that time controversy over this mural goes back decades sleet. Can you tell us about the artist and what the pushback has been over the years. Please <hes> yeah. The artist name is victor on tov. He was a russian american american who spent many years living in san francisco teaching art at the at stanford and he was a leftist and actually joined the communist party and was very critical about matters of racism <hes> his work for the george washington high school the life of washington and has a lot of that critique in the mural but it can be misinterpreted the subtleties of that can be missed unless less people are taught to understand what he was trying to do there so yes there have been controversies in the past in <hes> in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine <hes> at the height of the the black power movement at that time the black panthers actually asked to have an alternate mural kind of response mural to the life of washington that was more positive about the contributions of minorities and i spoke to the artists who actually did that. Mural there are the three panels that are still in the school today that do we crump ller created and that seemed to solve it for that moment. Pledge forward to today and there are people who find them traumatic to look at there was a vote by the school board there to basically obscure them with <hes> it's with candles that will prevent people from seeing them so people have strong opinions on both sides <hes> interviewed many people myself at a recent public viewing of the peace at the school and you know on the one hand. They're always like san francisco resident francie covington who agree it should go. Let's play a little oh clip of what she told me. We can't pretend that the founding fathers included everyone in their vision of what liberty and justice looked like because they did not. What do you think about that viewpoint. Lee look i. I'm very ambivalent about the whole thing i as art art critic and a writer on art. I want those murals to be seen <hes> ideally this should be used as a teachable moments a chance to learn about both the the inspirational and this aversive qualities of great art and a chance to learn about the high and low points of history and <hes> that would be not my preference if that could be done and i certainly <hes> you know understand and mostly agree with those who feel that that students need to learn learn about these parts of our history however the very visual nature of it can make it more traumatizing more difficult and the fact that it's in their face every single day like it or not may or may not be appropriate to some students. I mean i'd like to this. Someone like danny glover who spoke about this. He was a student at that high school and he felt as as a black person that this was something that people needed to see and confronts and not hide young and in fact <hes> donnie lava was one of the leaders of the african american community who came out very publicly recently giving these murals should in fact be saved <hes>. Let's just a little bit about what he had to say well. We're talking about boarding wooding up at this particular point. I think the boarded up in substance to hide it from view. That's basically what you're you say. We all get enough history history books anyway you could talk about any particular point in time about the formula this country everything yeah absolutely i mean i totally agree with him. <hes> he speaks from the point of view of an adult who understands the subtleties understands the i need to learn these things and i agree with him. <hes> the one good thing about what's being done is they're not destroying those murals so there's still a chance to re expose them if if if time is will permit that right well you know it's not just adults who thinks moore should be saved. I spoke with his thirteen year old students donatella donovan and she she said the life of washington mural depicts american history and a truthful way. It's meant to show the history of our country that a lot of people don't i don't want to recognize the cercas their shame them in yep so real range of opinions that we've seen other examples of controversial school murals rules in the news like in koreatown right here in los angeles where a mural depicting actress ava gardner at the the robert f kennedy community schools complex this this altus is both stanton who did not mural and it recently upset members of the korean community because it unintentionally inc imagery associated with japanese imperialism. What can we learn from types of cases well. We can learn that artists conflict. Ah and you can't satisfy all the people any of the time one can always fine problems with almost anything and when many people can find offense at various works of art. They're powerful and they're provocative. That's what it makes them a lot so this conversation around public art and what gets to stay and what is no longer appropriate is really a national one right now. Why do you think that is well. I think we're in more politically divisive times. I think the you know we went through this in the in the sixties last time around they had this controversy and we went through these kinds of moments when there was a lot of political conflict controversy violence even and i think we're in another one of those times. Everybody's very concerned about identity and about racism and <hes> that's that's the times we live in. I don't know exactly why it suddenly came to a boil it san francisco but i i think it's part of the national climate. Lee rosenbaum is veteran arts journalist who blogs at arts journal dot com. Thanks very muchly. Thank you so much. I enjoyed talking with you. Coming up on the frame in richard linklater's new movie cate blanchett is a brilliant architect whose life has gone astray aw k._p._c._c. podcasts are supported by h._b._o. Presenting sharp objects based on the bestselling novel by gillian flynn. The story focuses on camille acre acre a journalist with a history of psychiatric issues who returns to her rural hometown to cover the apparent murders of two preteen girls. The limited series was hailed by critics is exquisite hauntingly compelling and a true masterpiece nominated for eight emmys including outstanding limited series visit h._b._o. Dot com slash the f. y. C. for more on sharp objects director and screenwriter richard linklater has made all sorts of films dazed and confused school of rock kboi hood all feature characters who were struggling to come to terms with themselves. His latest movie is where'd you go. Burn debt adopted from maria samples bestselling two thousand thousand twelve novel of the same name in the movie cate blanchett stars as a brilliant misunderstood woman in the midst of personal crisis his benedetto on a rainy. You drive with a thirteen year old daughter. I just didn't know how hard and it's for me sometimes but sergey uh-huh but now linkletter told john horn that it was the characters complicated relationship with creativity that inspired him to bring her to the screen was really interesting portrait of an artist who's kind of blocked and i think an architect whose blocked is very different than a rider ryder musician or someone else in her case. It's a lot of complex reasons. We come to find out in the movie why she hasn't done anything in twenty years so it's some kind of shadowy nightmare position i think for most artist to kind of find themselves entered even contemplate so you find out really it's just motherhood kind of absorbed her completely into the domestic which i think is the fate of a lot of women in to to varying degrees he's so it's a portrait of motherhood as much as anything kind of a mother daughter relationship but that that professional stasis was certainly one more more really intriguing element to her character. You know i feel so much myself and bernadette yeah. What do you feel in yourself and bernadette. I think everyone can relate to her kind of social anxiety or <hes>. You know kind of antisocial behavior. Some of our attitudes are impatience the aloof artist in her the one who wants to be alone. I i really don't want to have to go to the pharmacy today. I don't wanna do that so i i could relate to all that and then the way she gets excited about something. I was like oh yeah. I could relate to all that not to mention the elements of her life. You know parenting long term relationships. You know all that stuff. There is a mother daughter story in this but there's also a story of a marriage and the character bernadette is married to man played by billy crude up and he recognizes stigmatizes that there's something wrong with her and it's very interesting to watch him. Try to manage her mental health. I guess is no other way of putting it so when you think about what you're trying to convey about their relationship and about their marriage what were the important things to you in telling their story well. Oh it's a portrait of a longterm relationship. That's kind of drifted. You know he's been work-obsessed. She's got the domestic front and i think because he's so busy at at work in this case he works at microsoft and you know has a lot of people working for him and he does what a lot of people unfortunately do in our culture feeling kind of helpless he sort of ultimately outsources his family's health to the professionals he starts down the road to certainly pathologising her and probably you know medication education and a little bit of <hes> institutionalization you know so that's the path this has led him to what he's observed heard in some incidents that happen on and on the other hand parallel to that an old colleague has happened to be in town. They have lunch and he listens to her in the way someone who really really knows you. You like artistically just says to get your ass back to work. You need to have a creative project. That's what you need to do and to me. My heart insult goes that way like i really believe in the healing power of art that it's the ultimate coping mechanism with the world is to be creating something and and that's what is in fact the right things she does and she's wise to escape from her intervention and you see her ultimately reconnecting connecting with her creative self and follows that that's a good thing to that feels like something that you are either consciously or maybe subconsciously drawn to the the idea of kind of reconnecting with your creative self your true self. I mean you could say it's part of school of rock. It's part of dazed and confused at certainly part of this story. Do you find that to be an intentional choice that there are certain stories that you are drawn to that have that kind of theme even if the film's look incredibly the different castes is just a subject that always kind of hovers around me and just preceding to the world you know you always have this little voice in your head like. Are you doing the right eight thing. Are you doing exactly what you're meant to be doing and i have this critic in my head. Who's always rejecting things that feel like there's a path i should be on and certain things the on the path or off the path and you know it's hard to say what what's motivating you at any moment but there's a certain kind of personality that has to express itself and when that gets thwarted or blocked it can be very toxic <hes> outcome. We're talking with filmmaker richard linklater about his new film. Where'd you go bernadette. I want to play clip from a very different film little shorter that you made not long ago. Somebody left up to know my daughter today at ted. Cruz toughest tanks the kamar. Somebody call my wife a dog. Instead of my daddy was the kennedy assassination. I wouldn't be kissing is in their ass. You stick a finger in their chest and give them a few choice words or you. Drag your ass out by the woodshed and kicked their ass. Ted come on ten. I should explain a little bit about what this says. This is the actor sunny carl davis. This is a anti ted cruz political ad from two thousand eighteen when he was running against rorick. I wanna ask you about making that and what compelled you to put it together. As a texan i was a big beto supporter her and it was like guy you know he's just as a citizen. You know like what can i do. Can i do so. I thought oh let's just make some little spots and throw them out there. I i swear i th spin about forty five minutes writing six spots. I got my friends sunny. We shot him and you know a couple hours. There was really no big deal. They got released and they just went big really fast. It was just fun to throw something out there in the world like that of course i had to read some reviews it richard winkler's best working year this the thirty second spot we did but it was fun working with sunny again that actor. He's he's really great. Did that feel like a one off or did it feel like something given the reception it had even though beto loss ted cruz that there might be some more more to that <hes> unbelievable in a state that has been heavily republican the fact that he only only lost by a couple of percents was amazing but did it feel like something you want to issue a little bit more i swear go through the world these days with either these little spots or documentaries in my head of just critiques and you know yes so it was fun to just exercise some of that from our busy overstuffed stuffed brains with all the rancid political information some of the personalities out there in how bad things are. It's good to have an outlet. I found it kind of cathartic to to do something like that. So who knows twenty twenty looms large. I have about a hundred more where that came from. You can say exercise as in kind of physically working out and you and say exercise like a demon like there's two different ways you can spell that word the demon part really the very demonic yeah get get rid of that so you know you have to try to communicate something and you know really just as a citizen at certain times you have to kind of stand end up and do something i i'm the kind of guy who does go to the marches and makes assign every now and then and you know i do all that i show up. My girls are very politically active active so we go to that. I went to trump protest just last week. I'm gonna ask you about texas. You are clearly incredibly fond of the state and you are prominent in its film film culture and yet texas is a state that is in some ways misunderstood and you just had unfortunately the third mass shooting in the state in l. Paso how would you describe. Your relationship should texas yeah. No kidding <hes> wow you know when it's your home home. You know it's horrific. It's a nightmare. It's it's completely preventable. <hes> on the other hand texas is slowly transforming. I think there's a lot of hope that the tide is changing. You know there. I'm exact producing a documentary called kind of blue. That's really about that the changing slowly changing texas or actually actually rapidly changing. We saw it in the twenty eighteen election. So you know you gotta be you. Gotta have a little bit of optimism for change. I mean that's the basic progressive things like hey you go through. Going things can get better. We actually were smart enough to make things better. If we all really think about it and act so you know it's definitely a battle of ideologies and <hes> what what kind of future do you wanna live. In richard. Linkletter is the director and co screenwriter of where'd you go. Bernadette richard great to catch up. Thanks for your time. Good talking to you as always where'd you go. Bernadette is in theaters on august sixteenth coming up on the frame. We dig into at all skies for a chat with samantha. B full-frontal with samantha b has emmy nominations this year for outstanding variety talk series and outstanding writing for a variety series so we thought we'd revisit john horns interview view with be from last winter when he chatted with the comedian has shows new york studio. John began by asking be what story has to contain in order for it to work for her. I think there has to be a possibility of joy and aunt. There has to be a possibility of joy for us in it. I'm certainly stories. Come past come past all eyeballs and we think well this is great. This is an issue that we'd love to dig into. Where's the wears. Here's the humor. Is there any to be found in this is there any lateness at all is or is this just is this just unbearable that can we not don't do this at all. We did a piece ages ago about yemen. I need to learn more about yemen so i asked senator chris murphy one of maybe eight americans who knows a lot. What about the subject to meet meet. My new war crimes briefing room the dubliner. Why is this a passion for you. The united states is participating in the murder of civilians. Somewhere on this earth and everybody in this country shouldn't accept that eighteen welcome to my comedy show drink up. That was a tough one for the audience. Actually we tried. We tried really hard and that was. I don't remember even when we did it and that was that was that was rough for people you often put up pictures of your writers in various ways the building yes. I wasn't going to say that but what do you look for in people you collaborate with. What kind of perspectives do you want. And how do those people challenged your view of the world and inform you about different ways to look at an issue and maybe different ways to look at what is and is not funny well the people oh here are so so smart and i will say there are so many different perspectives i think in this in this office and that is welcome uh-huh very important primarily. I think you look for someone who has a point of view like you know you want someone on who's passionate about the things that they're passionate you. You're looking for passion looking over passion and and an interest in the world at large. It's hard to imagine someone coming in here and their passion being nail art. I like nail art too but if that was your driving passionate life. It probably probably wouldn't be a good fit. You know everybody here has that proper blend of being a hilarious person who also happens to care deeply not the world as the host and producer of full-frontal samantha b knows what seen women unscreened can do for girls and women who watch her show and that's because for for her growing up in canada women tv made a big difference in her life. I'm doing a comedy show now. Well i watched women. Do comedy all my life. I when i was a little girl i watched carol burnett every single day. I watched s._c._t._v. every single day. I wish i love lucy every single day. There was no world in which i thought oh woman doesn't listen to we don't do these. It was it was already. It's big damn if you see it around you. It's baked into your bones that and you are edited as possible for you as well. Why was it important that you become became an american citizen what was behind that because the canadian so as ryan reynolds and selene dion that's right. We're we're all in our troika. Yeah wall well we when we came to new york to work on the daily show and we did so i mean it. Was you know it's a political comedy charlotte so we were constantly reporting reporting on things and learning about the american system but we could not vote or participate in it is we were green card holders for the longest time and so when it became possible for us to seek citizenship it was really it was a no brainer. I i love it here. I'm i've made i make my life here. My children were born here. I intend to stay day here so it would feel off for me not to fully participate in the political system the first time i ever voted for hillary that the super this is supposed to be our moment tomorrow. Girls who were born before women could vote will have the chance to cast their ballot for a woman well according to certain sub reds but if she is a hermaphrodite lizard that too would be groundbreaking and yet none of us have gotten to savor this historic election like we should. It's been like running a marathon bears chasing you. We might be really proud but it kind. Don't get lost in all the mortal terror when you think about comedy and president sure. Is there like a lot of comics. Is it a <hes> mixed message that he's great for material but i don't agree with that. I don't find him. I'm good for material at all. I'd much rather not talk about. I'd much rather not talk about him. Actually i do not enjoy it. I mean listen. Where do you feel bell too because this is the world. It's you're making if you're going to make a topical political comedy show. You cannot not talk about the president of the united states. It's not possible there's too much to talk about. It's actually it's just a surplus of stuff. We would all i think to a person rather live in a more in a world of greater predictability but it is it is a fired up electrical time to be alive in this country right now and so i am actually i am actually excited to be part of that because i think that people are really really waking up which is very good. Be thanks for having me on. I'm so happy that you came kill and that's the show today but before we head out amazon's emmy campaign for the marvelous. Mrs as l. went haywire today. When santa monica police police briefly shut down a promotion offering gossip nineteen fifties prices the era when the show is set there was so many eager customers that lines for the dirt cheap eight thirty cents a gallon gas. Were causing traffic delays so is that bad publicity or not. I'm khloe veldman from the mon broadcast center. Thanks for listening with back here tomorrow.

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Ina Garten and the Comfort Food We Need

Radio Cherry Bombe

40:28 min | Last month

Ina Garten and the Comfort Food We Need

"Hey bomb squad. Welcome to Radio Cherry bomb the number one female focused food podcast in the galaxy. I'm your host carry diamond coming to you from my apartment in Brooklyn, New York. I'm incredibly excited for today's episode because we have a very special guest it's none other than the barefoot Contessa herself I kn- Garden. I just released. Twelfth Book Modern Comfort Food and I swear folks at might be her best book yet. It's filled with delicious soul satisfying recipes that I cannot wait to make like Brussel. Sprout Pizza, Carbonara. Does that not sound amazing grilled. Cheddar. And Chutney sandwiches fresh crab nachos there stews their soups. There's cocktails. There's cookies just the table of contents alone will make you drool I. talked to Anna about everything from her experience working at the White House very timely to how she taught herself to cook. Thanks folks like Julia. Child. 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Am I've written, I've been writing since my first book came out in one, thousand, nine hundred. So I started nineteen, ninety seven. So I've been doing this for twenty three years and I have a book come out every two years. So you know what you're doing at this point I'm well, I Just I'm very obsessive about deadlines and I usually work so much I mean the minute one book is over I'm working on the next one while I'm doing the editing of for the last book. So yeah, I really do I'm absolutely unscheduled. The title is so perfect and so simple wind was the Aha moment when it came to usually I start cooking and I figure out what what the recipes seemed to be telling me. Or an idea comes from somebody in an audience I've been like family style. Somebody asked me about doing a cookbook for families and I thought Ooh family saw that's a good idea because I like serving family style. This one just seemed to just write itself. WHO's just crazy. I. Knew I wanted to comfort food. I thought how am I gonNA do a modern way and I just thought Oh modern comfort food a duck. There you go. Bingo. So that's what that's what happened and and that made it. So clear to me that I wanted tomato soup with grilled cheese sandwiches I wanted some kind of Mac and cheese some kind of beef stew and each one I wanted to figure out how I can make it like more delicious easier to make and like the best of its you know like the be store called beef stew because it bars things from before y'all the wine in Kayak and so how can make the best version of what it is I was going through the book and Writing Down Different recipes just that we can talk about and literally the list is every single recipe that is in the Thank you carry one of the things I. Asked myself for a recipe will the title really just grab your attention? So many books have arrested me title that alludes to something, but it doesn't really tell you what it is. It's you know and somebody's chocolate cake. Well, what about that chocolate cake is unique. So I always try and find something a recipe that that you would wanna make like Pimento Cheese Fred. which is like a really old fashioned but how can you modernize it and give it a new twist and a new name? So there you go. Oh, that sounds really good I love COMENICI. So I did take note of that. You did a spicy one. Yes and actually originated in Brooklyn it did like you originated in Brooklyn I do. How did that wear in Brooklyn? That from I did a show with at Stinky's. Show Okay 'cause the southerners listening to this. They're going to be like COMENICI, did not come from Brooklyn, but we both know. That's a good question but actually I was doing event. It was two years ago in Atlanta and met for the first time. Those wonderful guy who hosts our website and literally we've been working for years but never actually met he lives in Atlanta and so I invited him and for some reason, he was talking about cheese spread. Pimenta spread and I thought Oh that's a really a great southern thing and I had done one with when I was at Stinky's when I was filming with them and I thought I'm just GonNa kind of blend my ideas than their ideas and and that's what it ended up being. So it's a it's an Atlanta and Brooklyn pimentos Sprint and tell us what you put in it to make it spicy. Got I can't even remember it. I. Think it was Saracho I don't think the southern southern cheese spread had Saracho. Does. We I just remember I totally forgot. Do you know you came to my field restaurant and filmed an episode with my ex-boyfriend? Restaurant I used to own seersucker and Brooklyn Oh. We certainly did I didn't know you want seersucker I did I did and stinky right up the block. It was that same episode Yeah and we went to sink. That's exactly right. Oh. That was a great restaurant knows it's still there no. It was a great restaurant is a tough business. It's a tough business tougher than ever right now you and Jeffrey had come in and I think you snuck in nobody knew you were there nobody on the staff recognized you and I was so mortified as well And I. Think Your Your team called a few days later and said you had had a really great time wanted to come back and film an episode and we were dying and I don't think I ever thanked you for this. But the episode aired in July and normally business crashes so bad in the summer in this neighborhood and you saved us you saved us for months. Oh carry. So many people came in after that episode and we were like I. Know is the gift that keeps on giving and I don't think I ever. Thank you. So thanking you right now I. Thank you. I'm so that how lovely is that? You know Jeffrey I I wanted to do a special their New York, and we just decided instead of the producer who's from London. Going around and finding the right Business Jeffrey and I said, let's do it ourselves. That'd be great fun. So my assistant lady who you know had made me a long list of places in Brooklyn and I picked out the ones that sounded the best and we just had a wonderful wonderful couple of days going around and going to the place where they big the French baguettes Odiaun Que-. At the quick Dan Que- and seersucker and stinky's and it was just it was one of the great days we've ever had in New York. It was great. I just had a feeling in Brooklyn that it I felt like I was I mean I'm. From the sixties which is on before you were around, it felt like it will going back to Vermont New Hampshire where people really cared about the the basic things like making really good food and growing vegetables and get anything Schumer farm and and it was an everybody had this kind of hippie old hippie vibe about men had beards and I just I love being there there was something about Brooklyn at that time that was just so familiar to me when people get back to the important stuff basics. I. Think an one thing. I love about this neighborhood I everyone knows how much you love. It does make me feel a little bit like I'm in Paris because we've got a fishmonger we've got a cheese shop we've got bread shops and I feel really blessed to have that and I hope right right now these places feel endangered species and I hope that they can all come out of this is I know you do. Yeah, and also you have parks which which are so wonderful in Paris, at Brooklyn does feel that way where in Brooklyn were you born I know I was born in flatbush and it's funny. We did a show on their foot as I think must have been that show barefoot New York show and I said let's go back to where I was born. Now I left when I was five which I don't WanNa tell you how long ago that was and I had never been back. So we were in the car. I it's it's Avenue G, which was called Glenwood Glenn Glenn Beck Road. Glenwood. Road and I remember being the House on a corner and this down the middle of the street, there were trees and there was a divider that was had treason it and about a block away there was a train went by and I didn't know what kind of a train was. Now I, know it was the subway but it was above ground at that point and I thought I wonder if my memory of the area was right and we were driving down the street and I was like, Oh, my. Goodness that's exactly the way remember the trees in the middle of the street. Now it's like Oh. My goodness, that's the house and a block later, there was the train. So from five a remember it. So vividly, it was exactly the way I remembered it, and when we got out at the train, we got out of the car and we were having a little picnic there and a man came out of his house and he said, what are you doing what I used to live in that house and he said I remember Dr used to work there. I. Was like my father. I mean, he remembered from that time that we had lived there was just so amazing. That's. That's incredible. So I'd love to talk about some your life before all the cookbooks I. Know You've talked about your time at the White House. But I, think now with everything crazy going on with the White House for people who don't know that you have a connection to that it's it's astounding to me I know you and I have talked about it but I still can't believe you worked in the Office of Management and Budget, and you worked on nuclear policy and nuclear budgets. and. I was in a group that worked on in science and on science issues and I, I did the I oversaw the the budget of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the part of the Department of energy that built nuclear power plants or enriched uranium for nuclear power plants and ministrations. It was Ford and Carter I came in the day for I mean just The day before it started the state for two years of Ford and two years of Carter Amazing and you pursued your Mba. While you were working at the White House, I did I went to I. Don't know how I did everything I did when I'm out I mean it was a more than a full-time job because there were days when we would work all night on some legislation that had to go the next morning I renovated old houses at the same time I love renovating houses. So by houses, renovate them and sell them while getting your MBA while working on nuclear budgeting for the white. House. Exactly, and then I would like to give dinner parties every weekend because I wanted to teach myself how to cook I think how many days a week were there when I was in Washington but I just I kind of loved everything I was doing and I was in my twenties so I guess I don't a lot of energy. I've been to the White House I think once or twice it's so exciting I mean what was it like going there? Every day I didn't work in the White House itself I mean it wasn't like an episode of West Wing. There's right next to the White House there's a big gray building that looks like a wedding cake that's the old executive office building, and then there's a new executive office building across the street that's where I worked. So the head of Oh and be worked in the old executive office building, and it's really exciting because what you're working on is going to the president. It's what what we were doing is making recommendations for the. Budget so we would say, no, here's a program. We don't think that we need to enrich uranium anymore and spend the money on it because private industry wants to do it and it's the same company that would be doing if we hired them. So it's there's really no change except that it twenty billion dollars comes out of the federal budget, and so it's like an issue like that I would right up the president would just. He agreed taken out of the budget it would go to Congress Congress it turned out the powerful person there was in south, Carolina where the plant was and he would put it back in and then said, send the budget back with another twenty billion dollars in it, and then the next year would you do it all over again, we'll take the twenty billion dollars out and this went on for years and I actually think it's still in the budget. Forty five years later. That's crazy. So because that powerful person didn't want you know whoever's in charges that that? District doesn't want the federal government not to have control over so. I just that's what frustrated me. The most is doing the same thing over and over and over again, and that was a long time ago when the Republicans the Democrats spoke to each other and hopefully they will once again did you have security clearance I had a q clearance, which is nuclear energy clearance. It's a very high clarence. I didn't even know there was such a thing as clear q clearance. It sounds very natural smart. Doesn't it? I had a q clearance. I don't think I ever got a new secret information that. You. said that you mentioned that you taught yourself how to cook and I had read that you you didn't grow up in a household where you learn how to cook in. You stood by your grandmother side and learned everything you taught yourself how to Cook Julia towns books is that correct? When I first got married I always wanted to Cook my mother never let me and so what I did was I bought Craig Claiborne New York Times Cookbook which I think was quite new at the time and I worked my way through that book in the When Jeffrey was in the military and we're moving around a lot after Jeffrey got out of the military. Before we went to Washington. We took a camping trip for four months and we went to France we went through Belgium. Holland came down through England and Scotland, and then through Normandy and Brittany most of the time we spent in France what we went to Switzerland in Italy it was an amazing amazing trip and we literally had five dollars a day. It was the there was a book than that was called. Europe. On five dollars a day including. Our camping site fee we have three hundred and fifty cents to spend for all of our expenses that day including gas. So I mean we had to eat for like a dollar a day, and the only way you can do that is by going to the markets, and so we would go to the French market and buy a piece of chocolate and a a Gat and you know an and fresh peaches which were so delicious and he just couldn't believe that you could buy them for you know fifty cents for pizza, Titian like it was just. Picked off the tree, and that really got me interested in cooking because in this, this was now the early seventies and Nuno you couldn't buy begetting the United States you couldn't croissant you can couldn't get you know peach that was right from a farm. So when I came back to Washington, then that's when I got to your child master in the art of French cooking and really started working my way through that those two volumes. So you're like an early version of Julie and Julia, you were working through the cook was I was still Juliette. Exactly. It's funny. Some people have told me that I'm there Julia Child said that Julia Julia which is really flattering. Well. Let me tell you when I looked at. I know it's going to be a long winter and when I looked through modern comfort food I was like I'm going to cook through this entire winter. That's my goal. Let's see. Let's see how far to get through it. I'm putting that there publicly. So it can you all can hold me to it. So you have spent a good chunk of your career trying to simplify things for people in the kitchen. So I was wondering how you feel now seeing people tackle really tough things over the past several months I mean people haven't been looking for the easy way out they've got starters kitchen. There are tackling the longer recipes they're making things from scratch. How do you feel about what's going on? I. Think it's Great. It's funny because in the beginning when the when the lockdown I happened and people growing shopping, there were two things that the grocery stores were completely out of toilet paper which everybody knew about weight yeast. That was that was the thing they were going for I think everybody thought well, I've got a month now little did they know they were going to have more than a month but I think teach myself how to bake bread I got so many requests for information about starters about sour starters and free yeasts and it was just crazy and I'd say to weeks that die down really fast a starter is like it's like. A pet. It's like a pet. It's gets a fee that you have to take care of it yet, and it's just crazy and I think try to once when I was in my twenties and never again I think in the beginning people really enthusiastic trying difficult things. But now they know you can safely with a mask go to a grocery store then it's I think that kind of died down a little bit but people. Are. Home. And they're they really feel like taking care of themselves and the people that are homeless and the next door neighbor leaves something you know leaves cookies for the next door neighbor just I. think there's a sense of taking care of themselves and the community, and that's worth spending the time doing and so I think people are doing things like ultimate beef stew where it takes a little time, it goes into the oven. And it's there for an hour and a half and you feel good because you know it's there. You're gonNA have a really good dinner and the house smells great. It's just I. Think there's a sense of home cooking really engenders and I think that's why people feel right now what's in your beef stew I know will you know it's traditional beef stew but usually they're kind of the beef is a little dry in the studio. The sauce isn't that interesting. So what I did was barred from two other recipes that I loved one is too short ribs stew. Using Chuck I short ribs boneless short ribs. The meat has a lot of flavor and flavors the sauce and the other thing I did was I borrowed from before can y'all, which is red wine and Cognac. And so those things really. So use traditional things like potatoes they're yukon gold potatoes not. They're really good potatoes and carrots and and frozen peas, which is what I use them these too. But the sauces. So delicious, my mother would make the foregin young when I was a kid I don't think there was cognac in it and I was such a miserable little kid would sit there and pick out every tiny speck of onion that was in there my poor mother. It's so funny because I just got an email from I was talking to Jennifer Garner a few days on a talk for Williams. Sonoma, and I was telling about this recipe that I'm working on for the next book, which is it some Teriyaki with Brooklyn the end bus rice and she said, Oh that sounds so great and I center the recipe she sent me back a photograph and she said this is what I call mom pleading with the Salmon doesn't touch the rice which doesn't touch the Broccoli. was just that's what moms do you have to play? So the kids elite it like, oh, it's touching. Needs to be I'm sure that's a Hashtag already mom pleading I can just montlake. Tank right now was there any big food project you tackled or you have tackled over the past few months? The big project is the next book so I've been really working on that, which is fun. You know it's it's one of those things that's going to reveal itself the more I do it but I think one of the things I know is that how I've been cooking dinner every night is really going to inform that because it's not easy and you know we've always had options of takeout pizza and. Ordering from a restaurant chain, no picking up something or doing especially food store pickup but all of a sudden lead and have those options and I was thinking Oh. My goodness I'm filming a TV show by myself I'm working on a new book. Doing instagram every day because people wanted to know what to do with those white beans in their Pantry, and then I thought only I have to like make lunch and dinner every day too. So I didn't tackle any big projects, but the big one really was the instagram one where I was doing something every day for people which was Jus- grounded me in a way. It was really great. Oh, good. I'm happy to hear that. We've all loved the little glimpses of your dishwasher because I feel every. If. You're lucky enough to have a dishwasher has a very complicated love hate relationship with their dishwasher. Click what I didn't know as people would be calling companies do send me a new dishwasher and I got a year supply just washing so. And people were yelling my God. Oh, my Gosh you put her nights in the dishwasher. How can you do that? I mean, it's so interesting because I've been putting knives in the dishwasher for forty five years and I, still have the same nights do sharpen them I do but. Not that often and they're just it's not like a Sherp in them every day. I put my little knives in the Dishwasher I don't put my big knife in the dishwasher global me a beautiful knife and I have not put that the dish Washer John. That's great. I. Love Global. Nicer. Great. All right. I want to ask you some non-food things. So you have had such a fascinating life I was curious what is still on your bucket list? To Antarctica, but I don't think I want to go over that straight where they see you sick as a dog for twenty four hours going there and coming back. So I'm a little little shy that but that would be something I'd love to do and also love to go to New Zealand I. Just think that's I. Admire. I admire. The life there Meyer, the you know the obviously the prime minister and everybody says it's kind of like going back to the fifties but you know everybody's kind to each other. It's a beautiful country and I have a very good friend WHO's From New Zealand and just I love the way she talks about it. So I think when when this is over, that's one of my this one of the things that going to do, but I'm going to Paris I. Miss Paris. All I WANNA do is just go there and just go sit at a cafe and Makram and Tar teeing, which is a beget was slathered with butter and jam, and just sit in the sun enjoy it. I also read that you have never watched the movie. The Barefoot Contessa is that still true yeah is still shit you still. I have to watch I. HAVE TO WATCH IT. It's I understand. It's very dark. It's not a it's not a happy film. Have you watched it? No but right before this, I watched all the clips. One of the ones I watched seeing kind of dark but I had no idea what the plot was I think the movies very. But I mean great acting and Ava Gardner on my goodness choose unbelievable. Well, it's so funny. I just drove down south with my mom we had to go visit a relative who's unfortunately not doing that well, but it was nice to spend all this time with my mom and days driving on the road and we were driving back and we had to stop in Smithfield. Virginia to get gas and all that and as we're pulling off the exit, it says like home of the AVA. Gardner Museum. So we drove we drove there and got totally lost. Yes and so many really beautiful streets and homes I. Think you've got probably got a ton of fans and Smithfield, and we finally find the museum on their old main street edited just closed. It's a huge museum all dedicated to her and she's so beautiful and such great actress an Ironic Way and particularly for the Times kind of worked against her because she was such a great actress and people just wonder to be beautiful. There's a wonderful movie I think with I can't remember who the man in his eastside westside that she was in. That was so good. You know as I said, she's a great actress because she was so beautiful she was typecast as a beautiful woman and that was it nobody expected more from her and I think kind of like Marilyn Monroe that was Just a terrible problem for them. Do you need to watch the movie? Maybe we can do a cherry bomb member night and do one of those like Amazon viewing parties in will make something from your new Cookbook Watch the movie I I. Don't know what that is. What's an Amazon Viewing Party? Can I think Netflix has it to? You can watch a movie with a group of people have a friend. Who just zoom cocktails and we make the same thing. So at least week, she's in Wyoming where here and just you just feel like you're at the same party somehow if you both eating and drinking the same cocktail, exactly. So want to see what movies all about. So from the cliffs sterile, but from the clips, my main takeaway was they had very pointy bras back in. You should see my wedding photographs. That's exactly right. Oh I WANNA. See Your wedding photographs up privately one of the photographs. Youtube had such a beautiful love story. I just he's just the best. He's amazing. He's the kindest smartest funniest was durable guy I got really lucky. Well. We Love Jeffrey from afar. I. Still Remember when Jeffrey accompanied you to jubilee a few years ago and was sitting in the audience of people were before instagram pictures of the back of his head they were so excited to see. So. It's great. You know you've made it when the batches the back of your head excites. My Favorite Jeffrey story is that we were going through the London airport and the guy who checks you passports as you're right I think he his password he goes Oh, it's you and I, thought Oh my God. What are we going to be arrested or something and he goes my wife always says to me why can't you be more like Jeffrey? Money. All right. More thanks a cookbook I was so tickled to see that you had a shoutout to Sarah Kiefer and the pan banging cookies. Isn't that clever. So clever, can you walk us through? Sort of discovered that the fun new had making those cookies it was it actually came from livelihood who used to work with me and now. She's Admiral. Harm. And does a lot of recipes for the New York Times cooking up. She wants going out on a run and her boyfriend was at home now fiance and she said to him as she left I bet you can't make this recipe and it was Sarah Kiefer's, and by the time she got back from Iran, he had made the cookies and she can't be the next day and said, these are the best chocolate chip cookies ever, and so I said, make them for me and then we Sarah if we can include them in the recipe and the bucket and yes, that's. Great there. So clever because you take the your always. So careful when you're baking the never jostle anything, she takes matchy banks trae on the top of the stove and put them back in the she does that a few times. So they end up seeing and crisp and just delicious. I think I may that it salt to it but I'm not sure it's basically her recipe. Yeah, right. It's so funny like we're also dainty around our baked goods and the thought of just like whacking something in the kitchen act like like don't walk carefully when there's something in the oven it my fall. and She just goes whack. She made me cookies. We went to Minneapolis to do a live episode of the Radio Show and she brought me like dozen of the cookies they were so good I think they might have been the best chocolate chip cookie I've ever had my whole life that's included. In each in each category, I wanted to the besser surgeon of whatever that thing is and I thought. Well, if we're GONNA do cook piece this is it you know it's like my hashbrowns Brown's a great. You know exactly what they are but when you put them in a waffle iron to cook, there's so much surface and gets so crisp on the outside. So you know it's like it's the best version of whatever it is I wanted to make. Is that in the book which I see that on your instagram, it's in the book that made me WanNa waffle. Iron. I've never. Seen until I saw that but seeing those I do love. Tater tot and seeing that all you had to do with say surface and I was like exactly what you were talking about. All. Right. So you've got Sarah's recipe in there, which is so much fun. Have you seen her cookbook I haven't actually I should give it. Oh my gosh it's brand new. It's called hundred cookies and it is so good and just one page of beautiful cookies after another how fabulous and it's exactly what needs right now as cookies. Hundred cookies hundred percent. Getting as soon as we hang up, there's always one recipe that kinda takes off for every cookbook. What recipe do you think that will be for modern comfort food? A lot of people are making beef stew. I think that's probably the one I would say and the chocolate Oreo ice cream and the. Jennifer, made on. She has this wonderful thing I'm sure you know the pretend cooking show and she she made it with me I. You know I I joined her while she was making it is the Greek lemon chicken and worse out. Those are three recipes I. Find a lot of people are making, which is great putting those on my list I'm GonNa make all three of those. How's your memory going? We're working on it it's really it's so interesting because I'm so used to looking ahead and I have to look back and sort of connect the dots of what I was doing and am working with a wonderful woman who's doing so much research and has found. I mean friends of mine from high school who've changed their names twice I have no idea how she finds and just to remind me of what Oh. Yeah I remember back forgot about the that that had happened in that who remember that I was on the tennis team may not even remember. So it's just great giving that those connections and kind of re reconnecting with people that I knew, and then I have to ask a Thanksgiving question do you make a Turkey on Thanksgiving I do always do and you know there are different ones I can this book there's a Tuscan Turkey relied, which is just Turkey breast rolled up and to do a slice it, which is great. You. Don't have to struggle with all those phones. A friend of mine told me the other day that she did a Turkey breast last year and she will never do a full. Turkey. Again she said it was a game changer but you do the filter you do the Turkey I I usually do it full Turkey for what I do is I do in I. Think in make ahead I did a Turkey that you can make ahead. So what you do is you roast the Turkey earlier in the day you make gravy ahead and then just before people arrived, I do a big ovenproof ladder and I put the gravy on the bottom of the platter and then sliced the Turkey when nobody's around and I'm not in my party close. Slice of Turkey onto the gravy and then cover it and you know fifteen minutes I want to serve put the whole in the oven to reheat it, and because the gravy keeps everything warm and moist, it's the most delicious give ever made and so and also on the buffet stays warm because of the gravy and then you know it's just so much easier than. Having somebody bring the Turkey to the table and have to carpet while everybody's watching you which. I've done it a lot. Even I don't want to do it. So Turkey performance anxiety what do you do? What do I do I usually don't cook So my family sometimes goes out to eat for Thanksgiving I've had a deep fried. Turkey in the past I don't we don't even know what we're doing this year just because we're not sure whose house we're going to celebrate out or for doing zoom thanksgiving. Yeah I guess we'll find out I just think it's important to just recognize the traditions of and keep that in some way it's just gonNa be Jeffrey may instead of whole families and grandchildren I like that that we know that it's been thanksgiving I like having Turkey sandwiches the next day I like the the order of that. So I'll be doing something I just don't know what it is or where it is you. Brian. Do Not Brian I don't believe in brining. But what I do is I do a dry route. So actually the making a Turkey has a lemon zest time salt. Kind of rub which just and you put it on a few days before. So really gets into the meat it really flavors and then you don't have to you know deal with a huge pot of water in your refrigerator jeff like neither frigerator just when you need the frigerator the refrigerator the most right. So I don't know I don't like the water part of it, but I do like the flavoring. Thankful for this year. God. So much live in the country that Jeffries home all the time now. That I have a garden I can play around in that I can see people socially distant that I can take out. Set just cooking all the time. I just think I think we really it are launched got so crazy busy and the pandemic just made a stop it just it's like the music stopped and you just took a breath and just looked around and thought so much year that I really love and I'm just so grateful for that I. Don't know if I'd ever go back to the other way again just wonderful I'll laughing before speed round I just wanted to thank you for supporting pass the SPATULA and the Food Education Fund Food and Finance High School and love it's love that school and I'm so happy to do it in fact, I'm doing something with Mri for the school as well. Somebody offered to give a huge I mean we're talking huge donation to the school to have missy Cook and have me interview her. So we're doing that next week and that's our friendship missy robbins from Lilia and missy. We love so much. Well, thank you so much. I mean this I can't wait. One of the things I really look forward to is is when All of this is over and folks can come and see the school because this kid's put out this wonderful magazine but nobody can really come visit the school and see it in action and loved a magazine. It's fabulous. They did a great job. Did a great job. So thank you for that. Okay. Let's do a little speed round coffee or tea coffee lots of it. Take it with milk. Sweet. Or Savory. Savory who say both savory okay always both an option both. Your Garden, you can answer however you want. Had Savory with a cookie thrown everyone. I'll take that most used kitchen implement. I would. That's a tough one sheet pan a love stack of sheep pants because you can cook almost anything on it. You could roast a chicken you can vegetables the use sheep pants a lot. This is a nerdy question but what do you usually put on your sheet pants nothing Silk Pat? Pat Because kind of maybe I've never used them. So I don't understand why want to wash it. So I just used parchment paper or nothing depending on what if I need that surface? What is a song? That makes you smile? Song that anything from Hamilton just love anything from Taylor. Swift. What is the oldest thing in your fridge oldest thing in my fridge? In my freezer, I've truffle butter, which I always keep in the fridge. I. Think it's been there quite awhile might be time to rotated. Most treasured Cookbook I've a lot of cookbooks from Sarah Chase which I love because they're they're from specially foodstore background she and I had the same sensibility So open house cookbook in cold weather cooking I love her cooking lot use user cookbooks lot. Fantastic. So our last question was always who you wanted to be trapped on a desert island with wet foods. And a lot of people said you over the years aw. Think we. We stopped we stopped asking that question because now it practically as like being trapped on a desert island some days and I know your answer would be Jeffrey is he'd WanNa be trapped on a desert island with so I was I was trying to think another question. So we're going to debut a new question. So if you could switch places with any person for day, who would be any person for a day, it's really tough because. Everybody says, Oh, I, envy that person. But if you envy them, you have to take the entire picture and they may have a fabulous professional I put a terrible personal life. It's pretty hard to imagine. Who I would change places with for twenty four hours. So it's only twenty four just have a taste of what it's like to be Meryl Streep Stay. Could have her talent as well. Okay, durable husband. She has a really great career and I think she's wonderful. Haven't Meryl Streep. You maybe. Never happened. So. And she's a good cook. So maybe we switch with me Oh she is. Yeah Okay did not know that now I'm all right. Well, thank you as always you're so generous with your time with Cherry bomb and it means so much to me, and we all love you in the bomb squad carry I love what you do I absolutely do as always. Thank you. That's it. For today's show societas over. Thank you so much for joining us and talking all things modern comfort food. I cannot wait to get cooking from her book. If you haven't picked up a copy yet had to your favorite local bookstore. I. Am sure they have it in stock. Thank you to carry gold for supporting today show and providing us with their delicious butter and cheese. Radio Cherry bombs edited by Cat Garelli, our theme song is all fired up by the band Tra la La Radio Cherry bombs produced by Cherry, bomb media hang in there everybody and thank you for listening. You're the bomb. I'll have what she's having. 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Pierce t shirts and leggings baby was going to say just any is anyone doing a button right now even my shorts that look like they would have a button don't it's just elastic drawstring. Lake. Deep. All, all pants. Now, I feel like not all of them are that way. But then why do you need to have why have the illusion of a fly if you do do like you put your p p through is how you do you pull up down to P. No, I. Pull. Him. down. To. Pay. Yes. So you don't need that. You know what I mean just to flat front a beautiful flat front no seem just. Miles of I liked the seem. I don't know why I think because I think it gives an illusion. Of. More of a curve you know. Like, your eyes are drawn to the targets. You know yeah. They you know what they say about a straight line leads right to the. Dig. That's That is that's the phrase. Have you been getting? Here's a conspiracy theory. please. Go ahead. Please what is I love Kentucky? You've been getting Like the most incredible amount of linked in. Like. Offers have you like all I. Don't know what listen. I don't know at linked in is busy during covid. I don't know if people probably because people are looking for jobs but I? Had Never I don't even recall ever signing up for linked data me neither I do get them maybe like once a month or get a request to be on link Dan and. I think it's the catfish situation. I think Lincoln pulls your information in and then they're like, Hey, we got a hold of your email and it's a good thing too because people are looking for you. I'm linked in they WANNA connect. To which I say I I WANNA be linked out. When it be DECI of what a service that takes my Internet profile. My existence on the Internet and slowly erases it. That's right lane or whatever you know honey I am not Zelda looking for me. What I mean yelling. Ledge. I see now for a second I, couldn't I couldn't figure it out if you're a reference, I'm in shock that I de Sega. Genesis. Or I didn't Scott Fitzgerald I did have Scott's journal. elda is based off is. Yeah. I see what you're saying. into. The Delta I. Mentally Unstable Wife Of. So. Sorry. No I meant the Nintendo link and Zelda. I am not. So I'm really it applies both I am not Zelda I'm not either one don't come looking for me. I'm dealing with my demons what word that's yeah. General word I fucking Hey. voiced yes. But also and I'm so you didn't say it. I hate the word call. Oh. That's a Jew. WHO said it to you like well, no, you know the eighteenth century. If feel like they're pulling information for some reason, I designed ID my head. I was like calling information I hate the word call that you understand that's a word that people use to sound smart who aren't smart. Wilton. Office term it's like calling pulling away on the whistle. You know that's close to how you use it. Jason I'm slammed busy. Where does it mean? It means like like Collect yeah. Hauling it out to me and means like you're you're digging for. Or something like a hat, Yup? Yeah. But have digging voice tres. You know how they do on I dunno cats do in New England. I have some some shocking secrets. Great. I'm so ready for get my my Steno pad out. Yes. Second floor he's. Did. You ever know shorthand. ooh. You know yeah. But we do typing class at high school which I thought was kind of registered for the night for nineteen. Late nineties. When I back in my day honey. So I'd typing class even though we had computers at our school why not I had I had a computer teacher who brought him to ostrich class one day and had us all pass it around and by the way we were seventeen. And not impressed guess why basically hated her for it guess what? We have fucking teacher to your school. Do the same damn thing. Do what people in Texas just have ostriches I know and we're not in fucking kindergarten. We're at the most hateful age imaginable. AAC Buck in India we have to pass this around I fucking hate. Stop wearing red shoes. It's a baby bird casket. I'm into it. You know what I know. It's a it's a casket. I passed it is for death. Birds die in the show. The. Green. Up. To ashes. Yeah. But where's that bird Apprai- a boot in Texas from bird boot? That's AVIARY being in Texas. Was it was the now let me ask you this about the ostrich sheldon I wanted to get back to shocking secrets by Brian Offi. Did it have. Have you. Seen those those like rare eggs or there's just like a loophole where they've sucked the embryo out so that it could have the whole thing intact. That's right. So Gross. Find. Different Hobby just get cool you know. Is that what you said when you drop it on the ground on purpose? No but I did have one time a math teacher in high school I sat in the front row and I one day she actually accidentally dropped her lesson plan or something in front of the class and it was first period. So I was like not awake. And She was like picking up her papers as she. She, looked at me and I didn't even what was happening and she goes well Brian. You know well Mr Safi, you are such a gentleman. Please sit back and relax I can pick these up myself. Relax have a good time you are so courteous Safi and I was like beat Red For you got you go. She was stepping. You got she what she was saying. It affected me the rest of my life because I feel like that sort of passive aggression is my all. Like I feel like you see how effective it is. But. Only on smart people you know that's true. I have this hat that says retired says retired don't ask me to do a damn thing. I got at the VA fabulous and now it's my hat of like. Are you are you trump supporter or you not because the trump supporters asked me here they go. Are you retired? I'm like. No. Tired. Any errands. There's no. No I'm not retired also if I was retired that wouldn't be funny. No the had supposed to be funny all but okay, wait. So okay we have a bitchy math teacher by the way. One of my favorite teachers in high school was my. Senior level math. My senior year math teacher he was like my. Legitimately. Liked him. Oh, I. HE I do want to voice an. act. But these were the few that just honestly left the biggest impression. Did you have this thing where the senior senior teachers like? Could they basically I? Think they had some. Quota where they had to write like ten letters for for their specialist college or whatever as like a like a sendoff? Yes. Did you have that? Do they do that? No but they sorted SNL which like. Our get that gets that was junior high but the TV like like they razzed you. Sketch. Comedy. The away and this is In a church, they did it at like the old teachers put auto show. Why Wait to sit up the seniors I. Would have been like eighth grade, but something about the eighth graders this is about the teachers compare time to shine goalie the do you remember any of the sketches? School is. Mostly. Making fun of each other was making fun of the Pe coach and like one is making fun of the math teacher really mean. No like White Hart Ed Wood, the costumes were so overdone it was like full glasses and mustache for like one of the teachers who didn't have either you know what I mean just like they were just. Would have I would have. Gye to see any my teachers. I didn't even know they talked on I mean I would love to hear any stories and then maybe we'll talk about them on the next episode any stories of people whose teachers did sketch comedy or anything like that I'd love to hear. About. Your favorite sketch was also, is there Everest I remember one time my my freshman year English teacher who let us watch the Romeo and Juliet movie from the Seventies. Yes and then referred. For got that there was like a scene where he gets out of bed and you can see his health. And she forgot she was grading papers. She forgot she ran to the furnace classroom and she put her hand over his but. God forbid we'd be scandalised by but. I she wants told a story about how she thought she was being so funny. She told a story about how one timer the electrcity went off in her house and she came to school with one blocks autumn one navy and was expecting like uproarious laughter like pro. NFL. Losing. Your tough crowd, lady. Try. A lot how. Yeah. It was it like that's that's the most performance I ever got out of teacher. I only got one. My teacher would get my history teacher in high school will get really really mad. And by the way, no one what. This classroom. Classroom teacher we. Know wish. You Get mad about history like this is fucked up or what should be matter the kids in the class no more about history. But like very specific history like if if there were any part of history that said one bad word about and this is her Mr. Lyndon. Baines Johnson. Out of nowhere she'd be as she would be like, what are you Mr? Johnson would have done and it's like I. Don't know the I wasn't alive when he was. President. I. Know this much. Do you know what I mean I know I know this the civil rights, the voting the Puck in Vietnam War and you bring up the Vietnam War to her because she would be like it wasn't Johnson's Fox. You're nuts. This is a woman who has like LBJ. Level, posters in this style of like teen beat. Pride? And and by the way was also the only people in the world who has ever talked about how elegant lady bird was. You were she was. Taking all fucking burn in Hell. Concert. Also I do want to say he was like crusher beyond belief whenever he did do the right thing. It's nothing ever came that ever came from him naturally by the way. least it's done but that was. Iraq leading down his neck? Yes. Exactly. Please listen to the LBJ on the phone with his Taylor phone call that you can get on. Nasty as Hell Oh it's an he tells this guy don't make them. So don't make the team so high because it's like it's like razor wire on nut sack. That was class act. Totally. Real. fucked and he's a CIA. Mouth. Captain Ron Horn head. Completely. Okay tell me about your scandals and secrets. Okay. But my first scandal, I've one scandal and one secret. My first scandal is. And I've obviously can you tell I was crying on morning Yeah. Yeah. We to be honest you always look like. Because I cry every morning. A. Place. That really was a rock for me. My entire life and Was a second home To An embarrassed child. When his mother would be a full blown Karen in a store. Josie Bank closing. And I have the worst memories of that place because I would always get dragged to shop there. Clothes? No. They was like when I was twelve I was wearing Mike. Whatever it pleaded front everything blouse. See Sweaters. Just like Caveat Sir. Yeah. aides were it's where you went to dress your child as a as a nineties version of newsy. Yes. Yeah. Pretty much but I don't know I haven't talked to my parents yet, but I'm sure they are devastated. It's been very difficult morning for me. So I'm been singing Enya or what I think is on Ya. All morning and because that's what they would play in store never I think they just plays like. Did did he do that another do? The Deity. Cordless Manhattan transfer. Yes. Worthless Manhattan Manhattan transfer. Exactly. Transfer I hope you. Everyone's okay from Manhattan transfer I think one person isn't but that's from a while ago. My my top government secret is. And this actually ties into groceries which I want to settle with why can we just go sorry I know you're on another train but I just want to go back to Josie for one second lease all the stores are closing because they because no one is like young enough to understand online sales I guess so I deal I, do feel badly for any business closing like I don't mean to make light of that but that's just I certainly feel bad for the employees but as far as I'm concerned like upper management you better give a fuck about people having jobs by by you know pivoting sticking with the team. and not to mention I mean. That's just cater to older people. Those people are not going into your store right now. There's no at leisure never. STANDS FOR BY THE WAY Why the periods are in weird places or why the periods are in weird places and frankly why your logo is really confusing and it's not spread out at all. There's no white space in that logo they do not respect their audience for that logo. They really don't it really is like you know. It's sort of looks like the cover of Reader's digest to be honest that logo. Hope they can do something else with the brand, but will say, anyway, I'm I'm obviously heartbroken but also. And this is a top government secret and it ties in. With. Groceries which by the way we're releasing season one on the free feed, and then we'll be releasing season two on the free feed. But also season two is available next week on the premium feed. So you get season one aunties into at the same time. Exact. But ones behind a paywall. That's the only diff- as season two will come out free after we've released all of season one behind the paywall. So that's what that US but also this. I read the Truth About supermarket sweep the original versa did like behind the scenes because you're coming out with a new one they are with Leslie. Jones. At a shirt will be brilliant goose dignitaries one of my favorite shows but David Ruprecht did an interview he's the host and if you don't know Brian has had a head shot of his hang on L.. Way You do well, it's Dodo copy. But I taught in your folder is that your groceries research? It was on a folder no list is this is Stephanie actually gave us to me. She put this print out on this folder since Stephanie De. The extra mile and glued this picture onto one half of a one-third cut EXA- lateral file. Okay. Yes. And so this is David Round left tab for if anybody's concerned about which one third it is. Exactly. It's not the middle of the right Anyway he gave government secrets because he said bid. In supermarket sweep to the the original did the one he hosted. They never changed out the meat or the cheese. All season. And also those things with eating it. Also, those things were never refrigerated they didn't run refrigeration in the Produce Department of the supermarket sweep store. So he would say everything would be juicy and said by episode five and they wouldn't change it out. So he's contestants were just throwing hot dogs that looked like balloons into their. fucking carts what a fucking wasteful US move. I know and they take everything that everyone had gotten in their cards but back on the shelves and refrigerate nothing, and also by the way Juno this magic of television. Props I. Agree. I think it finally ended up doing for some of the heavier items, but still for like Jesus and sausages and stuff like that, and he also gave the clue to winning. He goes and this I couldn't believe. He said people always stop that the winning is going to do. Hurts and All that and he was like, no one ever did this. You could have one cart filled with items from the beauty section and win the entire thing and no one knew that that's straight up sexism right there. Really ever deaths he was like that stuff is always the most expensive but no one even really when people would go down that aisle, he would be like right when the buzzer started at people for the beauty I'll. I know they'd win. By otherwise everyone else meant for the produce. So. That's the other guy that government secret and is he a producer on this? Is he getting any back end on this new web? So domer- team. So my junk, so he wants to do the video for it So I guess he's in the running for it but I've why would they just hire him mean unless he did some shady s Johnson deep dive into David Ruprecht. I. Maybe. Should at some point because I'm a huge fan he's a smile that can talk that his fashions are absolutely crazy. His sweaters are insane. They're all really like nineties so much texture and life. Fabric on fabric to one like giant poofy sweater and it's so disgusting and then he would pair that with Maroon slacks and it was just hideous but also his his thing the way he would interview people be like, Hey, like no, personally, hey, where are you from and they would say any go cool. You're tall. Hey where are you from the same question? All around there is a game on that show from a later season. Literally. He goes. Okay. The first person to buzz in and get this animal right get ten seconds added to their cart and the game was this and just going. And some word buzzing and say cow. meow. Buzzing and say Cath. He believed that I think that is so fucking fresh. Making adults basically played at Barnard thing where you pull the lever makes an animal. You've never seen. They're just like got it. Yes. I. Got it. That would be hard. Rap sounds like I think it's Hundred. Thousand you. Know. I've never been on safari. I've only been to Ralph Lauren Safari but. But I've never I've been to I've been to anywhere. Guaranteeing. That's what a drafts. It's not. It's not really sure what to do with voice. It's almost human. It's always a little bit panicked. Even though like really giant, you know exactly where the tallest on earth you now tell people and I I have this but tell people like always make themselves look smaller because they're so embarrassed there. So they feel. So out of place I feel like we're probably has that in voice you know I think you've found the subconscious part of it was donated. Rafts. Okay obviously drafts have Dick's right. Is it like You know how people say like your Dick Sizes like from your like bit Middle Finger to your whatever you hear on land the thing. Is that the same like? Is it a neck to dig ratio with the draft? What were you GonNa? Say It's from your middle finger to your what to the bottom of your hand was the true. I think maybe I don't know if I don't even true. Your your height is from your middle finger to middle finger if you put your arms out. Yes. So, why wouldn't other parts of your body be proportion screen? Great emphasis will you measure and see if it's true? Yeah okay. I mean I'm not going to do it now but I will later privacy of your bathroom or fishing or whatever. Definitely will do it at three pm when I always do things like that. when it's an I'll make sure to turn off the AC you know what I mean open all the lines. Yeah. Exactly. So that everything swells a little bit. Yeah Yeah Yeah like a good old supermarket sweep three, four day. Old Meet hundred percent. Can I do a quick shot to somebody? Yes. Are you sure. Yeah they sound like. I just wanted to ask. We Wanted Thanks Sergio Aka add showtime Tamako for the tick Tock sees been posting from all are classics. Digitally. Blowing up on TIKTOK. I. Know I'm not on Tiktok but I'm not either but people have been subscribing to the podcast. 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This is the only by the way this is the only part of the US government right now, that is totally functioning. It's true. Firing on all cylinders are is the grocery conspiracies. The supermarket and supermarket sweep was basically the size of a cvs like he was not bag. And that was a real magic television experience because it seems huge, it seems massive. It isn't. It's like the size of a CBS but don't you think that's just hindsight like when like if you're if you grew up in yeast, we're going to like a Sam's Club or Costco. You might have a different idea of what a supermarket is. But if you grew up in New York City, you might be like this huge. That's true. This isn't like you know it's all a matter of perspective. Yeah. Exactly Dean and Deluca is what I was trying to figure. That, that size. Deflected. Dina's Lucas situation. Do they it off data Deluca? I'm guessing that supermarket sweet wasn't necessarily made for Manhattan but maybe. Because as baskets not cards the biggest smack right but David Ruprecht was the height of fashion. So maybe it was fashioned. Completely. A hipster would would murder for lowest surfers surfin those things. Very dangerous 'cause they buried if there's any undervalued sunk. Okay. Well, it's been laid on me baby. I'm like every other week it's been a wild duck and week and it ran the gamut. There's two quick things I want to touch on the bigger one. The first thing is. National Statuary Hall like nearly every State has chew statues. I think he's five down of people who are notable from that state. So a lot of times it's presidents. Or it's people who have moved the needle somehow like Helen Keller there's The statue from fiction might have been from Kansas or something I. Don't remember don't scream. Bitch. Oh Yeah. I read that are a heard that from a friend of hers or something I can't remember which right into but honestly she deserves to have. Hands Yeah well, you also. She worked for Allan for so long. How in Keller? Certainly did. So anyway, a good thing that happened that is happening very hall ever since the there was a democratic bill that was wanted to remove all busts and statues of individuals with quote, unambiguous records of racial intolerance. A lot of places. A lot of states have started to do this including North Carolina which is removing a statue of their former governor in eighteen ninety, six Charles Aycock who was a full why I? AM. What I tried to doctors in work. but let me be the judge of whether or not it worked. Okay. It's good. Okay. So they're removing him and they're putting it in with a new statue. So it's great. They're removing him. It's not. I wouldn't have chosen this person to put in. There putting in Billy Graham as a replacements who for those of you don't know Billy Graham was like really the first. One of the first mega preacher's son Franklin is a piece of home of phobic shed just like billy. Graham was except team is always seen is like. Sort of a kind jovial. You know everyone likes him Kinda Guy and he was council to like every president during his lifetime basically. he was also insanely homophobic and one of the highlights of his bid beyond the regular calling homosexuality outs. And disgusting and all of this, and it's just for lost souls He also to a crowd of forty four, thousand, three, hundred people in Columbus Ohio. Said S Arteta. Is AIDS judgment of God I can't be sure but I think so. do you think what you're saying? Yes. Because you're bringing up Syrian and you're you're saying, yes, it, which is I I I don't remember the Christian of kicking someone watered down but. Also have you heard this theory that homosexuality like this this proposed this val should not lie with another man. Or whatever in the Bible was totally fucking changed like. Data. Telephone maybe a few things are still the same, but it's basically like, did you hear Da da? Did you hear? And then tenths down the line fiftieth down the line wrote it down. I have, you looked up famous people from North Carolina. I haven't, but there's got to be some. Okay. Let me tell you something thelonious monk John coltrane grace. Early Cram Clay. Aken. Not See Handy Griffith Ava Gardner. ammos. Get Him in there. You know what I mean like I do. Wine. Second out. fucking. This one. Second Dolly fucking Madison. Put Iran by the way there's only I think there's only like ten female statues out of the hundred. So then flak come on guys any of these people. Someone who didn't have a message of hate and he did and by the way he was so influential in this country and had the president's ear. Certainly, Reagan's and many others that. Even though they were just words day caused. Remarkable. Harm on the LGBT plus community in this country when you are using. That everything he said. So, I hate the North Carolina's putting him in I think it's atrocious. By maybe maybe health maybe that statue will find its way face down in automation I mean look that's the problem is graduates. Will It's like you're just wasting everyone's time. And what is wild is this just came. Move as far as I'm completely and this tied to the next story, which is That In a new study found that more than half of Americans, think they have to be careful around people living with HIV. which is really stunning. I didn't think it would be that many still but and the poll found that fifteen was done by the glad commission to study called the state of HIV stigma and pulse down fifty nine percent of Americans believe it's important to be careful around people with living. Hi were living with HIV to avoid catching US only sixty percent were even aware that HIV can be treated. and. Only one in three. Thought that if someone has HIV, they shouldn't have to let others know that they have it. they don't have to disclose that only one in three thought they didn't have to disclose to three thought. They should disclose that in various circumstances whether it's workplace whether it's a doctor's visit whether it's a date, any of these things by the way it you have HIV and are on medication and are being treated and have an undetectable viral load, which is most everyone in this country on treatment. You cannot pass HIV onto any one else it is actually if you are having sex with someone who has an undetectable viral load is basically the safest sex you can have because that person knows their status and are undetectable. That is the science that has nothing anyone would say lightly without knowing for sure it's true and that is for sure trail. What was really illuminating about this study and really? About this study was that the stigma With. Almost justice high against people living with. HIV. From the LGBTQ community as it was among straight and insists respondents. So lgbt people nearly deal the same way about people that are with HIV that straight insist people do. Really. Do. You think that's an education barrier or do you think it's just like? Well I mean I don't know here's how I feel about it. It's like there's a lot of Shit I didn't learn growing up Jack and as a woman or as a marginalized member of society. Unfortunately. If falls on your shoulders to make sure that you're moving through the world as intelligently and safely as you can. Through it just it is upsetting that. I mean it goes back to yes. Of course, affect education. It's upsetting in most health classes in high schools. They don't even cover anything about same sex attraction or certainly same sex sex they just don't have not to mention it. Kind of transsexual health it's not discussed all and really most gay sex isn't either. And I think if you don't. If you don't if you don't learn this stuff, then how do you know but also I do feel like there's gotta be just some sort of. It's a tough situation because now a lot of closeted and are afraid to even have the search history on their computer like what is gay sex? What is HIV I'm not? People for not knowing right? I'm just saying not like the the stated education system like there's a lot of people not under I mean most of us don't learn what to do with our bodies. and. So you. It's a tough thing because you have to. At the first at the first step you have to realize you've been lied to. School and then the second to go what else am I? What else am I? What am I missing, but it also seems to be to like. I just imagine that this would be a topic of discussion among friend groups and that that seems to indicate that maybe it's not even being discussed I. It's possible may be especially among like lgbtq people by that I mean just like twenty one and up or something. Yeah. Because like for instance, forty, seven percents of non lgbt plus respondents said, they'd be uncomfortable having a hairstylist Mitch with HIV a hairstyle with A. Forty seven percents dot thirty, nine percent of lgbt plus respondents said the same thing lied, yeah and another example is thirty two percent of non lgbt plus respondents said they'd be uncomfortable having a CO worker who is living with HIV. Thirty two percent of hundred bt's said that they would be uncomfortable with thirty percent of lgbt plus said they'd be uncomfortable with. People with HIV. Lead, healthy normal long lives. If they are receiving treatment and the right kind of treatment period the end the disease cannot be way. The disease is transmissible is if you don't know you have it. which goes back to education and testing all part of the same thing. This also leads me to a new study that said Queer Black American men. Suffer disproportionate levels of police discrimination, which also can contribute which just the police discrimination can also contribute to increased risk risk of HIV depression anxiety because they are. Afraid of suffering at the hands of white institutions all these studies have also said that queer black men are less likely to be on prep due to a mistrust of medical establishments racism on the part of the physician and stigma that's internalized, and also from the community and really America and not to mention it not good messaging and education. So it really is something that has sort of been ignored, but when you're looking at. Black Cler- man you're looking at whites. Matthew Hodson. WHO RUNS AIDS map says is the intersection of two communities with high HIV rates that are just not being spoken to. Or Talk to you and their experiences are just sort of left by the wayside. which is a real shame I guess with with prep, the US was the first country to introduce it. And Black and Hispanic Queer men. Take it much less than white gay men do. I, think simply because of the racism and a perceived bias in within these institutions. Also, for financial insurance, that's the thing is. Prep is is free for people who have insurance and for people who don't a lot of times it is funded by like. Delegate mental slice. Exactly exactly. But that's if you live in a city that's if you live in a city that's right So it really depends on it also takes a lot of you know. Courage and opening up to talk to a doctor period about. Like you're worthy of being you know what I mean like there's also an aspect to this and I think this is true for women's Health to. It's like you feel like you're worth fighting for. Yeah. Hey, you like there's a part of that too. That's just like. Not, feeling like you deserve it exactly and speak because you've been told. So opted by the country by the system that you don't. Whether you're queer. And certainly if you're black where it could said. The dose of. Of really feeling marginalized and oppressed. So, what do we do Brian? Do we just do I go up white a white str-? Straight sister woman really honey and just start going like hey. Do. You know the stats about HIV and really. Educational thing. Like that because there's nothing niggers never really been any de stigmatization around HIV is in like I said before. Including in the LGBT plus community like. When you're. Drunk. I'm. Drunk. I got drunk even in the gay community and the Cu Oh my God. No I had some of David Ruprecht hotdogs. I gotta get to the ER. Look HIV discuss, and we need to be educated about it, and there shouldn't be a stigma around it and people should be getting treated fairly and. There are living lives and you can't get someone undetectable and Andy. 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I don't do bones I only do veins. Absolutely. So it's important to understand what vascular surgeons do, but it's also important. Apparently. What they're doing on social media. So. A steady came out. That's worth everyone's time. Was published in the Journal of Vascular Surgery, which is a medical. Periodical that I rap all my Christmas presents in beautiful because I don't think it's nice to like have a president presented to you with pictures of like you know camera surgeries. Then, you on rap and then you see Mrs Claus brought you absolutely. So, this study which you might have heard about by now, but I wanted to talk about some more granular aspects of it was focused on the professionally vascular surgeons who were in training on. Their social media. So what are they doing outside of school that could possibly affect what they're doing inside of school. So three of the male authors who are also vascular surgeons made fake social media accounts to spy on the next generation of surgeons, and then came at them with a laundry list of things doing wrong off the clock, which is I don't know how many hours a month four. So the steady looked at things like intoxicated appearance, unlawful behavior possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia, which I don't understand isn't that just being a fucking Dr jet I mean stethoscope is builder drugs filled with drugs also like You can only handle drugs when you're at work. Yeah, you can't you know what I mean it's ridiculous. No I mean it's it's tradition. The doctors have to try every drug they prescribe. That's what I have always said yes. Which is why I actually tried to be a doctor the were like. They got bullied and go to school to the cabinet. You know you know I didn't I just got a job working at the ER. Drugs spray with the false identity and also resume and really. Mr Bean Rice and I didn't talk and ever said anything I know you said Whitehall's that's right more that Brown sued. Trip on everything which is a terrible thing to do in any are it is it's not good. he might make people feel safe or comfortable and working fall on patients. Yeah. Made like Rube Goldberg machines out of like a a scanner and like a what a cardiogram and all that works there twelve hours. I mean it was. A lot of damage. Yeah. I'm surprised they still let me go to cedars after that. He was at Cedars. Yes. I only like to. Destroy Defined Hospital. Hills trees. So. Okay. So here's what else they WANNA look at uncensored profanity which I'd who gives a fuck. Does anyone cared if instagram sheet or if doctors say Shit on Instagram I, don't offensive comments colleagues work slash patients, controversial political or religious comments, controversial show social topics and inappropriate attire now. All of these things are agree just moral policing of young surgeons who should be built up by their colleagues not torn down but the last part inappropriate attire was what got the Internet really going. If. You've been listening to this show long enough. You know that women are always judge Moore harshly for those things you see a male doctor enjoying a glass of wine after work is just unwinding after a hard day but you see a female doctor doing it and you're like that bit is getting sloshed take away those kids. Yep Exactly. Take aware. Lady doctors took to Instagram with the HASHTAG MED. Bikini to be like here's the thing we have lives outside of being doctors and they posted a bunch of pictures of them in bathing suits having fun and being like we're humans to. Now. Here's the thing I'm not a doctor anymore I tried as you mentioned twelve hours, but and I wouldn't rush into the. Gravity scalpels I wouldn't do it now I have done before but I wouldn't do it again. But I, just wanted to do some punch-ups on that, Hashtag. Keys a little too. I think it could use a work. Now. These are unique and risque but I thought it would be fun to reclaim the power of words by using stuff that words that had been used to shame women for this campaign. Here's something I. Thought There's a little winky. Hashtag Dr Sexy. Hot, which you could also add paging Dr Sexy. Yes. Party SLUT MD.. Definitely, and my favorite Pussy, Sellin? Does a cure for everything I'm just saying you know like if you're going to go. All the way. So, there's a lot of sad pieces to the sexism pile of landing straight on your dessert plate with a big wet. This article was published six months ago I'll have baked Alaska was supposedly selling. I D I need to know is this patient allergic to Pussy Cylinder Yeah Oh Honey I. Sure Am. We didn't what's her name invent postseason. I don't know. Ma Margaret Thatcher not. Who is the French Marie? Yeah dishes bent it. So. This articles published six months ago now, Kelly Oh. That's the right way. I misspoke. Six months ago this came out online nobody said Shit about it it wasn't until it crawled out of the sphere of white male vascular surgeons. Who by the way all read it and we're like Yes part agree. here is why it's not surprising that it didn't get any traction until someone outside of this community. Talked about it the editorial board of the Journal Vascular. Science there's two editors both named Peter. the associate editors are Allen, Thomas and Fred. The founding editor is Michael to bake who happens to also be. VN Houston's named after, and there are fifty five people editorial board, four of whom are women fun fact four of whom are also matthew. So there are just as many. As. There are women on tour nuts. That's not also. If Your name is Michael Matthew John Thomas, whatever like change your fucking name shirts change it. You have been robbed of an identity by from from your birth name. I have some suggestions. Fron gold rough. Tin Oo their regard. Top walled. West friend. I. Just typed these without looking at the keyboard. You know what I mean. That's how it is way more interesting. Have a fun name. So. All these dudes looked at the paper and said. No issue Senate to press. And I. Think there's a couple of things packed here. Number One. This idea that surgeons or doctors in general should not be whipping open that curtain that's attached by the chains and right and showing the world that they're actual. other people have like personalities or lives to be honest I get fooled every time I think it's a wall. Every time I think Oh my God. It's a private and exclusive in here, and then they pull it back and I can't believe. that. Noise of that thing pulling back like truly a motel shower curtain doesn't stop making noise once it's once it's open not at all. The idea that like doctors are superhuman. Dasa go because I'd hurts everyone involved. In in that facade, it hurts the doctors who need to be able to admit that they get depressed that they're hungry that they need sleep that there are things they need to do to recharge so that they can be amazing brilliant people helping others and also people coming at doctors thinking that they have all the fucking answers all the time they often don't you know and so like let's stop pretending that they're not human beings. I think it does a huge service like you know I don't know the difference between ligaments tendons. Youtube. But I also want us doctor to tell me when you're feeling bummed out. You know what I mean. In. The vein of being human get an also doctors aren't kings. I'm sure everyone who listens is a one who's a doctor is great but like. You know just make sure you're treating your nurses like your colleagues. Oh. Well, that's look. Here's the thing I mean there I'm GonNa get into who is perpetuating this stuff but I think that innovative being human and I do not as a double entendre. Vascular Agile Yup yeah. Some of these doctors. Who are I don't understand these dogs like this whole idea of like, what is professional? What is it to look like a professional doctor like wearing boring as with dumpy four dollar haircuts all the time I'm sorry. But I would trust a woman who walked into my exam room with her hair ward in whatever state she wants whatever clothes she's comfortable in. However. She wants I would choose her over a straight white guy in please. Check about round. Brown. fucking. Boat shoes a shirt that just is like begging everyone to mistake person for a sandcastle. Just like. Uninspired. Listen I. Know How hard doctors work but honey if you're one of those doctors, the only reason you're afraid of retirement because people won't be thanking you all Goddamn Day. That's true. I mean. You, need to I'm saying is like. I have I have been in a room with a doctor who is clearly like pulling every. Beige thing out of his closet. Barely fucking fixing and doing his hair. How was that professional? How is that the the fucking beacon of professionalism just because he has like buttons on his shirt and he's got leather shoes on do you mean yes, it's the and we are eight unless show we've established that I will never not Harry Button now, I will never wear a button. I just think that like this rulebook that everyone's so keen to on. On not throwing out is rife with rules that actively discriminate against women and and. By talk people in the medical industry like that look that professional look is a man working at a bank. Right that is key and that's true. All these industries that should has to go out the fuck it. I'm sorry that Joe's a bake nonsense needs to go away at the Dodo, bird couldn't agree more when the backlash came and it came very swiftly. They did retract article which you can still read if you google that they didn't really retracted they stamped it with the theme. It says retracted rice on two of the authors authors apologized and the only female author. tweeted defense of the article people get judged every day by what is available on social media and all forms. It is the reality of today's world in medicine or any other professional like it or not. Okay. Here's the thing and I I'm going to have to call her out because this. Theory of This is the way the world works with it. This woman sued. The Oregon Health and Science University for Gender Discrimination and sexual harassment. So you don't on one hand get to say I was treated unfairly by a system that by the way is representative of like society in America in the medical industry I was treated unfairly therefore, I want to change that by suing you don't get to say that and then also say, hey, up and coming surgeons by the way you're going to be judged by whether or not you are holding wine in your social media picture. So don't do that. Those two things do not connect for me. there are huge issues that the medical into communities not addressing when it comes to uplifting non white straight men in the medical industry a twenty nineteen report in the New England Journal of Medicine said that sexual harassment, gender, discrimination, verbal abuse all contribute to high rates of burnout among female doctors. Sixty five percent of female surgical residents experienced gender discrimination from all sides is from patients and from their peers. And twenty percent were sexually harassed. On the job and then there's this other study international salary survey found out that female doctors make twenty, two, twenty, two, twenty, nine, percent less than their male counterparts. So they're getting harassed at work they're getting told that they don't look professional they're getting fucking judged everything else besides their work their their jobs are fifty, five, thousand times her because of a list of. Painless to mention the fact that let me tell you something. It's not like they're loans were any less than guys loans. Were thirty percent less when you were notable school. and. All those things we know are worse if you're black and female, it just gets exact fucking sexism puts on a little racism hat and does a little dance makes your life for fucking hard. Before we start policing women for what they do on Saturday. I. Think it's probably smart to focus on the Shitty fucking medical system. What do we internally to make everyone's lives really hard that might be the first thing to fucking focus your efforts on because you have no ethical or moral high ground to stand on. If you are allowing that shit to go on while you. Basically, reinforce the worst parts of society. And let me say this and I would very clear when I end this shoe about how I feel. About. Presentation Professionalism, etc in medical field and really in any field if a female doctor comes into my exam room in head to toe hot dog costume. Groucho Marx glasses on a skateboard listening to shock Akon. Thanks lucky God if you to fucking prescription for my uti consider me happy. A person who wants you to live your best life. Thank you by the way refreshing with that being grace. A woman skateboarding into your exam listening to shock con I would go to the doctor more quite honestly. What's up listeners? 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Taylor Jenkins Reid

Monocle 24: Meet the Writers

26:40 min | 1 year ago

Taylor Jenkins Reid

"This is the writers. I'm Georgina Godwin show. Today. Takes us to Hollywood where we meet an SAS novelist and TV writer who began her career in film production. Switching to writing after being influenced by the actress, Jennifer Aniston for the last six years. She's produced a book a year and her latest daisy Jones and the six is based on Fleetwood back. It's a wild story the highs and lows of. Tell it and can read welcome to meet the writers. Oh, thank you so much for having me. Now, you Los Angeles base now. But that's not where you started out. So tell us about your early years. Yes. So I was born in Maryland in the United States, and then I moved to Massachusetts. Which is really what I think of my home. I from Acton Massachusetts, which is right next to concord, which is worth revolutionary war started. I was always very proud of that like in our town. It's always like, oh, this is where the revolutionary war started. It's like the beginning of American history for us in so many ways, and so between that and the fact that Louis may Alcott wrote Little Women in concord and Ralph WALDO Emerson and Henry David throw. You know, the transcendental lists are all from that area of town. So I grew up with this sense of American culture in a very specific way. But I always always wanted to move to LA was like when I found out. There was a place in the country that didn't snow. I was like why are we all here? Do you know? A place where it doesn't snow, and I so I went to college in Boston. And then studied Phil. Yeah. I studied film and television. I am telling you like from the age of ten or eleven I was like, oh, I'm going to Hollywood people be like what you need to be. When you grow up. And I was like, I don't know. But I'm going to Hollywood. I don't know why that was I was just very influenced by television and movies. And I just saw what was on my TV screen, and I was like I need to figure out how to get there. So I studied film and television at Everson college in Boston. And then I graduated and I moved out to LA. I was twenty one new nobody I had actually moved out with a boyfriend, and we broke up like. Month into into. I mean, it was just like it was like a very I mean romantic in that it was the story of like, I completely alone. And I've started my life over and I have to figure this out here. And so I got a job in feature film casting, which I thought okay, I found this is the thing. I was twenty one years old. I was like, well, I figured out what I'm doing for the rest of my life. I'm gonna work in casting movies. And I did that for four years. I'd love to know a little bit about the costing. If takes a big blockbuster movie the project Honey gets made, presumably if the STAN names signed up yet when you come to costing you not looking at that level. That's one hundred percent true. And that's something that when I first got into casting. I didn't totally understand. I was really surprised that every time we'd have a project come in. There was already two stars attached at the top. And that we were casting everyone else. I was like, wait. I want to be involved in choosing. Who's the star of this movie that seems really fun, but in general? Title movie doesn't get Greenland unless they know that there are people that will star in it. So that was the first thing that that I learned and actually the first movie I ever worked on was movie that was not a big movie, but it's called the guardian and it came attached with Ashton Kutcher and Kevin Costner. And we cast everyone else. But what is cool is that there are a lot of movies that the intellectual property itself is enough to green light a project. And so for instance, that one of the last movies that I did was the original ironman that was the first marvel movie, my job was helping my loss figure who was going to be ironman, which was one of the most amused so gratifying, you know, you know, you start with a list of fifty men and you start working your way down until you you get down to two. And then it's like, okay, it's going to be Robert Downey junior, which was incredibly incredibly fine, especially because now he seems like such a movie star but back then he was a really risky move. You know, hiring Robert Downey junior who had been in prison, and he was trying to start his career again, you know, making that argument to the studio like, yes, he can do it. You can ensure him. He's the one it was really really fun. And I think that is exactly why I got into casting because for me, it was all about character. It was all about taking this character on paper. And who do you choose who do you sort of match with that character in order to make it three day and make that character come to life? And so you take this idea of Tony stark who could have gone number of ways. And then you find Robert Downey junior who brings that character to life. And I think there's an art in matching those things, and I I loved that part of it. But also very stressful job with very long hours, and I sort of toward the end of my time casting felt like I love this job there. Something's not quite right. There's something I'm looking for. That's not here. And that. It turned out to be writing. I think a lot of that was because I missed took my interest in characters I think I wanted to create characters I thought that I wanted to be what brings them into three dimensions. But I think it was actually I wanted to be the person that creates them that second piece of bringing them three d of being casting is such an art. I think but it was it was the right art for me. Yeah. So now the one where Rachel change to career. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I was in casting and why I started taking myself seriously. Someone could potentially right story was because I'd been a fan of friends as a teenager. And I feel every person says that that that who didn't like that shows arguably one of the most popular shows in the nineties, I was obsessed with friends. So the point where my mom was like do we have a problem like Thursday nights at eight? I mean, this is also before you could tvos anything. So it was like I was not going to be anywhere else. Like, I was home ready to watch TV every single week, and I would program my VHS player to record episodes. So I could watch them over and over. I was just completely obsessed and Rachel was my favorite character. And so we had this day when my bosses came in and said, oh, we're going to cast or short film, and we'd never cast a short film. I very confused why we'd be doing that? And they're like Jennifer since. Acting it. And I was like hold on is Jennifer Histon coming into the office. And they were like, yeah, she's coming in next week. And I just lost it like my heart rate started. I mean, and I met famous people like there were plenty of famous people. I've met just she was so much more than that to me. I just admired her so much. And so I started telling my friends and again like I have moved to Los Angeles. And I didn't know anyone. So I wasn't telling my friends in LA and heavy I was telling all my friends back home, Massachusetts. And so I was like, you know, June Francis coming into the office on Thursday was and all my friends really have to tell us what happens, and so I experienced that day, and and she came in and she introduced herself to me, and we made a couple of jokes. And she said this or that or whatever, and I had this story of like, okay? I mentioned I have to tell everybody, but I didn't wanna call each individual person. So I wrote it in a story. This is the story of this day. And I sent it why to all my friends just as a way to tell them. But every single person wrote back, and they were like this is incredible. And I thought oh, yeah. I mean, imagine Francis. No the way you told the story was really great. You should be a writer. I wish that I could have seen that at myself. And I didn't need someone else to sort of give me permission. But I think I needed permission. I think I needed someone else to say, hey, this is something that you'd be good at it seems so day shis at the time to think of myself as a creator of anything, I didn't have that. You know is about twenty two I didn't have that confidence yet. But having someone else say that I should do it that was enough to get me to start writing other things. So that's how I began writing. I really want to explore your writing. But I I just have to us. What she like. Oh, yeah. You know, what she's incredibly incredibly sweet, I will say like she is just as funny as you it into made her being just off the cuff funny, and she's just incredibly gracious and sweet. And if she didn't glow literally glow, brighter than other people, you would think that she was just anybody. But she's so beautiful. That you're like, this is obviously a famous person like you're you, even if you didn't know who she was you'd be like this woman is so stunningly beautiful that there's no way she's like a normal human being among us that she's clearly superlative in that way. You have another very very key relationship in in your life and one that's been enormously encouraging. In fact, you call him you'll muse that's your husband. Yes. Yes. My husband was. He was the first person to read my fiction, which I had not even finished when I showed it to him. And I had he, and I had a very worlwide sort of romance that we met when I was twenty four and fell deeply crazily in love and eloped very quickly. But in that very short period of time where he was my boyfriend rather than my husband. I actually I had been working on a novel. And I was about halfway done, and I hadn't told anybody. And so I showed it to him. And I thought it was just a small thing. I was doing and he read it, and he he took it very seriously. And he was like you have to finish this book. And that again is another example of you know, mean not feeling yet. Like, I was ready to say, I'm a writer. I'm gonna take myself seriously. I needed someone else to take me seriously. But I respected him so much because he's also a writer and knowing that he believed in me. I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm a Finnish this book. And so I did and from there on I started to be much more confident and say to people. I wanna be a writer. This is what I wanna do. Will you read my work the confidence really started growing from there? And he's been your enabling in lots of ways. I mean letting you give up works. The Putin you doing with the practical stuff. Yeah. It's funny because when we met he, and I talk about it now because we've been married for almost ten years now, in fact next month will be ten years, and we look back on when when we were I was twenty four and he was twenty three and we got married so quickly. And it's like, how did we know? That was a good idea. God bless our parents because it made no sense. But somehow we saw something in each other. And as we've been the other longer, it's become clear that there were things about each other that we didn't realize that we needed, but we needed, and I think for me, I was just a mess in a lot of ways I hadn't grown up with money. I didn't know how to manage my money. I didn't have the confidence to announce who I wanted to be the world and Alex helped me become a person who took my arm. Art, seriously and allowed me the time I needed to make it. I'm one of the big things was you know, I finished that first book that he encouraged me to finish. And I got an agent and it didn't sell we went to publishers. And it was a lot of like this is good. But no. And so. My agencies write another book. And so I said to Alex I would like to quit my job and take two months off and write a book, and he said, yes. And he supported me the whole time and the thing that's incredible. But my husband is that like I feel like there may be a lot of people that might say, yes. But they'd make you feel bad about it the whole time. The hope you're also taking you know, doing all the dishes and taking out all the trash, whatever. But he he's just been. So encouraging is believed in me so much that he never made me feel like this was some big sacrifice that he was making. He always made. It seem like it was something he was happy to do because he thought that I was going somewhere because he believed in my ability to do it. And I mean, that's still true today. Like, it is a lot of, you know, I'm writing a book a year, we have a two year old now, I'm torn I'm going to a lot of places I'm talking to booksellers I've been in seven cities in the past three weeks, and I go and people say will who's who's with your daughter, and it's like perform her father's with my daughter. He's taking care of. Her day in day out and he's doing his own work. I'm incredibly fortunate to be able to do what I do. But I could not do it. I could not be a mom and an author at this pace without the support that I have and that's one hundred percent. My husband. And I mean the pace is as you say, I mean, it's a book a year. Yes. You cracking them out? And I just wonder does a lot of so much discussion these days about work life balance that I feel that we're all coming to the point now where it's not about saying, a can my work has finished because it's five o'clock now, it's my life, and that actually it's nice for all of us to integrate everything if you love your job, yes. To integrate everything together. So you all perhaps working at midnight. But maybe not working the next day. Yes. You don't. That's funny. That's something that I've really had to work on and especially having a kid his throne that into you know, I had to rebalance everything. And I think for me it is true. Like, I am were. Looking at midnight. Sometimes I'm working on a Saturday there. I try to keep a firm sense. These are the hours that I met my desk because that makes it easier to schedule one with my kid, or when I'm running errands, but one of the nice things about being a writer and also one of the sometimes frustrating being a writers that I don't want hundred or even need a computer. I'm thinking it's so much thinking, and you can do that at any time. It's funny. I have incredible jetlag right now and my husband's here with me in London. So we from the hours of eleven pm to four or five AM every night are up, and we can't figure out why. And we're talking about the title for my new book or we're talking about a project of his in the middle of the night. The thing I've had to learn is that yes that is true. And I am working at times that are not traditional work times. So it should also be okay for me to not feel guilty in visit Tuesday at four PM. And I say, you know, what I'm going to watch an episode of TV and relax. I'm having. Really hard time having go both ways I need to get better at saying, you know, what just because it's between the hours of nine to five on a weekday doesn't mean that I have to be working. They don't have anything I have to do right now because I'm always working during other times. But that it's like giving myself permission to chill out is not the easiest thing. I'm looking across mediums to I know that you an Alex Cobra TVs in Hulu, you you write scripts you write novels. He write essays when you rushing book fix now. Yeah. Ooh. With this wonderful kind of fem- of love, the cool. All you thinking what he writes a novel? This is how it would add up to screen up -solutely in the full that time. That's really a question. Also because I was thinking about this with Alex my husband the other day. And I was like I don't think I do. I think the answer to that is. No. And he was like are you are you joking? And it was like, no, I don't think I do. He's like you won't write a book. If you can't see how it becomes a movie. And I was like well. Yeah, that's true. He's like so your answer is a complete lie. And I was like, okay. But I think what it is that I'm really attracted to ideas that can exist in multiple mediums. I'm thrilled by that. I think they're really exciting. But once I've decided with the idea will be in once I feel confident that okay, it could live outside of a book somewhere as I'm writing as a book. It is only a book, I think that you have to think a story has multiple ways that it can be told. But I'm choosing to tell it as a book, and I need to tell it in that form and do everything to maximize its effect within those pages when it goes on to be a movie or TV show, if I'm adopted if someone else's adapting it, that's where the work comes in of doubting the story for a different a different medium. But as a writer writing the book once I sit down to actually write the words, I have to forget anything else that could be and just write it as. The story that needs to be told on paper. Well, let's look at some of those stories. So there was forever interrupted yet. Was sounds pretty autobiographic. Say it, isn't it isn't a little bit. Yeah. This is a young woman who elopes after Welwyn romance. Yeah. And then then, of course, it it'll change us up to that. No spoilers. Yeah. After I do is type would suggest yester- a marriage, but this is a marriage in crisis. And then we go onto maybe in another life, which sounds quite sliding doors issues xactly sliding doors. It really it's it's I wrote that book because I love sliding doors as a kid I remember seeing the trailer being like I have to be at the movie theater the day that comes out, but there's some more Leising at the end of that movie. There's an idea that there's one way that's better than another way. And I was like what if there's not what if by the end of this. It's like these are just different one. She loves that was a book that came out in two thousand and sixteen again, somebody with a high school sweetheart. Yes, yes. Some other high school sweetheart, and he is in a helicopter that goes down. And so she grieves and moves on and and meet someone else and then realizes that. He's. Alive yet that that was the book that I pitched to my editor at the time. And I was like what if I just wrote castaway from Helen hunt's point of view, and she was like, yes, go. And then I guess this is kind of big breakthrough. This is when you really came to the public's attention. And that was the seven husbands of eveland Hugo. Now, this is a fabulous book. I was just saying how much will what kind of reminds me of valley of the dolls and that whole kind of seventies Hollywood. Yeah. And this book very much Cup. Just that it's about a woman with all of these husbands Elizabeth Taylor. Yeah. There's a lot of Liz Taylor. There's a lot of Rita Hayworth Joan Crawford. Ava gardner. Maybe Lana Turner. I did a lot of research. The book is about Hollywood star. And I know a lot about Hollywood have worked in it. And I have my degree in it. So really for the research actually was reading all the stories of these actresses and making sure that didn't inadvertently steel. Was really familiarizing myself with a lot of classic Hollywood in reading all of these women create one woman that had little pieces of each person. And so she she's very much influenced by Rita Hayworth specifically and the list Hayler thing, it's funny. The seven husbands is the most obvious tie. I didn't actually think about it in terms of that. But there's a character. Harry Cameron in the book whose very much based on Liz with Taylor's relationship with manti cliff. Then we come to to your new book as each six again, we have a kind of real life Hoke to this because feet would Stevie nicks. It's all kind of in. That is fantastic. There's a little cover blood from Reese Witherspoon, it says I felt head over heels the daisy and developed this in a day. Well, I have to agree. Totally and completely. It's one of those books just grabs you when you sit down, and you don't stop until you finished it has such momentum. And is such a such a good read. How? Pegged to Fleetwood because it seems again like you've taken inspirations from several groups exactly I I will say really almost nothing in this book that happened Fleetwood MAC happens today's jobs in the six it's much more about vibe in a failing. And you know, there's there's one thing in the book that I did steal directly from Fleetwood MAC, which is that I was reading this book about their recording. Rumors, and they I guess had someone send cookies laced with pot to the studio, and they were all eating them. And I thought I would never come up with that on my own like, I just don't I'm not like, I'm such a teetotaler, and I'm such a dork in so many ways like just never would've occurred to me to like make pot cookies and put them, you know. So so I read that. And I was like that's too good. I'm just gonna I'm gonna directly rip that from the Fleetwood MAC story. But everything else, you know, it's the dynamics are different. The people are different nothing. That happens the same and daisy Joan. Owns is similar to Stevie nicks in that she's this woman in rock in the seventies. That people are, you know, just hypnotized by. But her style is different her attitude is different. What was fun is that? I love Stephen so much that I could sort of tap into my love for her and come up with someone totally different that still made me excited in thrall the way the Stevie nicks does. Yeah, it's it's a it's a lovely lovely book. You've got foam lyrics at the end. Did you ride? Yes. I did. It's the most vulnerable. I have felt as a writer in a really long time because I'm not a songwriter. And I don't know if they're good and no one like, even my editor didn't edit them. So there's a part of me like are. They really bad. I don't think they are having their good. But I just I'm not a songwriter. And I don't think musically, you know, unfortunate in that both my brother and my husband are musicians. And so they know it's like there. My husband plays piano guitar, and my my brother plays guitar and knows a lot about music production music history music theory. And so I was able to take from both of them. But it was I was very out of my comfort zone with that. But it felt necessary to me because for me what part of what's so great about listening to bands, especially when you know that there's some inner turmoil within the band is. How's it showing up in their lyrics? You know? And so I wanted people to to see what daisy and Billy the two songwriters in the book. I wanted them to see what daisy Bill you're saying. And then see what shows up in the lyrics, and are they being honest. Are they copping to exactly how they felt because this is the art that they made in the seventies. This is what they were saying to each other. This is what they were writing together in nineteen seventy eight. So you know, I think there's some reading between the lines that can happen. You know, part of a so great about rumors isn't just that. It's a great album. But that you're listening to going is he really saying that about her or did he mean it that way? Or is that what this lyric? C'mon. And you had those two couples, of course. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So so interesting now, you have a specify playlist yet goes with but these not you'll songs, so when are you going to get your brother and your husband music to you? And I know I've thought this before the problem as I see it is that I don't even I wouldn't even know how to instruct them what it should sound like would be like make this sound like Bruce Springsteen. And like you can't I can't I can't do that. It'll be interesting though, because it is going to be a show. It is going to be a TV show for Amazon and one of the things that's most exciting to me. Obviously, the castings exciting coming from casting world. I'm very excited who plays who plays. But also, you know, who's gonna make these songs in. What are they gonna sound? Like, I'm I'm in that way. I'm sort of first in line to be a fan and just say like what does it sound? Like, I don't know. What it sounds like I wrote the song. But I don't know what it sounds like. So I'm excited for someone to show me what that's sounds like, oh, I'm so excited to see it on the screen. To. But I do wonder about that. Because when you invested in a book, and then suddenly it's there, and it's not what's in your head. I mean for you is the right to that must be doubly difficult. You know, I've been down this road a few times. I I've we've gotten a lot of my stuff has been adapted. It hasn't been produced yet. But I've read screenplays I'm pretty good at this point divorcing myself from the art that's made based on my book. I know that that's I didn't make that. So if I love it that's that much more exciting because it's something outside of myself. And I didn't make it if I don't love it. That's okay. I will say I've read the pilot that for the TV series, and I've read the character breakdown. And it's amazing. I was just blown away by it. So I'm trying to keep my expectations realistic, but but they are getting a little bit high. I think that the people that have chosen to work with our incredible and really good at their job. So I'm very excited to see what they come up with. No you in a way the ultimate Hollywood insider as you say, you even have a degree in it. Yeah. And a lot of your work is not only do we see this. This theme of of love the hallway three, but but you return to fame. And I wonder if that's something that attracts. You punched me was that the Joe to Hollywood you wanna be famous or are you somebody that just? Yeah. I do not want to be famous. Absolutely not. I think you're right. I think that for me fame is the people that we choose to make famous in society. Tell us so much about the things that we value, and I've always been fascinated by that who are the people that were drawn to was that say about us. And I think as you look at the way the famous change over the past couple of decades, we are seeing how our society is changing. I'm really fascinated by the fact that we no longer have traditional movie stars. You know, that that that Tom Cruise is the last Tom Cruise and the way that were diversifying our interests influencers on Instagram, or perhaps, you know, have more power over their followers than certain movie stars do just in my lifetime. The way that our society regards famous people has changed. So I think part of what I'm so drawn to with fame is. Not just what it says about us. But also, you know, what it does to the people that we elevate. I think it's a very difficult. I think to have that much attention on you into have that much expectation put on you Taylor Jenkins read, you may not want to be famous. Once this book comes out. You may have no choice. Thank you so much to me. Thank you for having me. Does he on the six published by Hutchinson? It's by Taylor Jenkins. Read. You've been listening to meet the writers with me duty goatman and many thanks to the production team of Serra miles judgments on Christie Evans, Marie on league roster and Gabriel jealous Santi, you can tell this show on previous episodes from our website up from soundcloud, mixed cloud, or I tunes Georgina Godwin. Thank you listening.

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Coronavirus: Beijing introduces tough measures to try and stem the outbreak

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Coronavirus: Beijing introduces tough measures to try and stem the outbreak

"Hi this is Ashley. I'm the producer of the BBC World. Service podcast my in life and I just wanted to let you know that the whole of our second season is now available available from the story of the man who's desperate to be the first Besson on Moss to the Kashmiri Lapa making music under curfew. You'll find those and lots more brilliant stories from young people across India by searching for my Indian life wherever you get your podcast by this is the global news podcast cost from the BBC World Service. I'm Belarus hundreds and it fourteen hours. GMT on Thursday. The sixth of February these are our main stories. Beijing has introduced tougher measures inside China to try and stop the spread of the corona virus and has defended its handling of the crisis the UN Security Council meets later discussed the violence in Lebanon Syria. We find out more from our defense and diplomatic correspondent also and now now after three hundred twenty eight days in space and at one hundred thirty nine million miles per Kristina. Cook the expedition sixty one crew officially home a U. S. astronaut tests completed the longest ever single spaceflight by women plus the best way to achieve equal pay for men men and women and I'M NOT GOING TO BE A. Hey you all I want to hear people call me misty. I'm GonNa make something of myself. We we look back at the life of Hollywood legend Cook Douglas. WHO's died at the age of one hundred eighty three despite the deaths of more than five hundred sixty people and the number of infections nearing thirty thousand in China where the corona virus began? Beijing has has insisted that it's doing all it can to contain the outbreak in a news briefing in London this morning Lou jamming the Chinese ambassador. Here in Britain said his country had taken measures far beyond International Health Regulations Charon is the safeguarding the safety of life and health of not only the Chinese these people but also the people of the whole world China is doing its best to safeguard global public health cities tease across China or taking increasingly harsh measures to slow the spread of the virus in Beijing officials have banned group dining for birthdays and weddings and and more people stuck on a cruise liner in Japan which is in quarantine have tested positive for the virus. In Taiwan mainland Chinese citizens been banned from coming coming to the island. I Asia Pacific editor. Michael Bristow says the measures. There aren't a surprise is certainly in line with what other countries have done. The United States Singapore the Paul Mongolia Australia of all imposed restrictions on Chinese nationals than anyone who's traveled to China from coming into those countries. Even if you look across to Hong Kong which is a semi autonomous region of China. That's tried to cut its border with China. There is still some crossing-points. SOPA would essentially only a couple and anyone coming from China is quarantined for two weeks. So it's a completely understandable. Many people see response to closure border to China. Although it's worth pointing out the World Health Organization says that country shouldn't do this because it's not particularly effective impossibly counterproductive 'cause people I'll find ways of travelling anyway and then not monitored properly if not coming through official crossing-points and how are people responding somewhere like Hong Kong as we understand astonishment of toilet rolls for example there are seems a small issue. But there's been a Russian toilet other staples such as pastor Anne Rice and and it really gives you a sense of the panic which is spreading through Hong Kong and the rest of China the authorities in Hong Kong said look. Don't worry supplies is a guaranteed. They're still coming through. Don't listen to rumors on the Internet. But of course people facing such an uncertain situation as the corona virus is take matters into their own hands and tell us more about the cruise ship. Were more people have tested positive. Will you she said the ten people have tested positive. Nearly four thousand people on that cruise ship is actually another cruise ship with a similar number of people and could off Hong Kong that was on a cruise to Taiwan. Taiwan refused to allow allow it to sell all the way back to Hong Kong and across China's well we see increasingly as you mentioned harsh restrictive measures even in who bay province swear. The Corona virus began the even some high rise. Buildings Stopped The electricity for the list to discourage people from traveling outside during this time so he can see panic in a time when the virus is still spreading Michael Bristow our Asia Pacific editor as we record this podcast the UN. The Security Council is due to hold an emergency session on Syria later. Today it comes as president. Assad's troops continue a major offensive in the province of it lip in a bid to recapture the last opposition stronghold. Eight major aid agencies have called for an immediate ceasefire in the area. This man who wished to remain anonymous described described conditions in it lip. No this in fact is getting worse and worse with no place and nowhere to go to because all the areas now are under poems and are under threat of being bombed again and again people here in fact are mentally and psychologically destroyed because they know that the horrible situation and the bombs and the hell is GonNa follow them. And I'm speaking even about myself all with my wife asked me. Where should we go? I told her the only the answer that I know the only answer that I'm sure of that I don't know really I don't know because no one knows what will happen. Next borders are closed end. End Hill is in in front of us and this is in fact how we think how people are thinking. I asked our defense and diplomatic correspondent. Jonathan Marcus more more about the situation in Italy but what is the situation. That's fast turning into humanitarian. Catastrophe of the UN says there some six hundred thousand displaced people on the move Lou over the last two months As the Syrian government forces advance into the province remember this is the last rebel stronghold in Syria. The president has a pretty well taken back. Control over. Large swathes of the country Those refugees being pushed ever closer to the border with Turkey in the North West. That's one of the reasons that Turkey is so concerned about what's happening. It's already home to some three and a half three point. Six million million refugees from Syria. And it doesn't want to see another wave of refugees battening On on its borders to try and seek sanctuary in Turkey So a humanitarian catastrophe serious fighting but also the potential for if you like an international fighting international tensions between in Turkey on the one hand and Damascus the Syrian government on the other. So what's the aim of this. UN Security Council meeting later. Well I would like to call all on the Syrian forces to to halt their advances. That remember it's basically cold in the middle of the winter now. This is a very very serious situation for for the people Courthouse on the road The problem of course is the government seems determined if not to take the whole of it certainly to take key key areas and key transportation routes through the province The backed up by the Iranians as they have been for much of the fighting in Syria. They're backed up by Russian air power as well In Russia's position is of course crucial because Russia As a public member of the Security Council will have a decisive ziff view in any discussions that held this afternoon so anything concrete likely to emerge. I'm not sure that anything. Concrete will emerge I think the the other other abiding concern now is that Turkey and Syria could be drawn into greater clashes that have already been exchanges of artillery fire between Turkish troops In it live and the Syrians there have been sporadic clashes on the ground and there are real fears. Now that if something isn't done to draw the sting from this crisis assist. That could be worth fighting to come Jonathan Marcus. It never looked likely that the Republican controlled Senate in the United States would impeach each president. Donald Trump despite the best efforts of the Democratic senators and one Republican Mitt Romney who also voted for impeachment. In the end they lacked the numbers. NBA's to remove Mr Trump from office. A Washington correspondent animate bull watched events unfold on Capitol Hill. It is therefore ordered and adjudged edged the said Donald John Trump be and he is hereby acquitted of the charges instead articles there was no applause in the Senate chamber but just I four and a half months after a whistle blows concerns about a call between Donald Trump and the Ukrainian president sparked impeachment proceedings. It's all over the trial in effect led by Senate Republican Leader Mitch. McConnell didn't even call witnesses we will reject this incoherent case his that comes nowhere near nowhere near justifying the first presidential removal in history for the news of that Senate vote just just broke a few minutes ago. A small protest of maybe a couple of hundred people has formed outside the Capitol building lies. He's guilty it's obvious to everyone. And the Republicans still decided to put him. They maybe angry about a lot of people across this country also. This is an important moment in history and I wanted to be there for it to see our president. Donald J trump acquitted and Amy Kremer came with due to Louis from Atlanta Georgia to be in the Senate Gallery for the moment. I'm glad that it's over but I know that the Democrats aren't going to stop but amy there are even some Republicans Sushi said look. The president did do something wrong. You know to say he's not going to send the aid to a country until they stop investigation into a political opponent. That's not realizing. Wait a second what this is really about is they cannot get over that Hillary Clinton lost and every time they look at president trump. They see what could have been. Hillary Clinton never going to be our president get over it move on could sense the solemnity the seriousness of this mom. Casey was one of many Democrats on Capitol Hill looking downcast. That's even though it never looked likely. Republican led Senate would vote to remove the president. The worry that I have is this. President will not feel constrained or chasing he'll feel emboldened he will continue to abuse power. It doesn't seem a great deal to salvage from this places for Democrats moment. If someone said to me I can predict with absolute mathematical certainty Eh. But this will be the outcome. I'd say we still should have a process that would that would end in a trial. The constitution demands it. Democrats say they had had to impeach but they also hope. The Republican Party will be damaged by the sequential. It Senate is seen as subservient to the president only one Mitt. Romney voted to convict victim. In truth has been no real sense. Donald trump appears worried about the impact of the whole process at all if anything impeachment has become his rallying incry anima pool reporting from Washington. What is probably the most comprehensive study of cancer? Genetics has just been published a team. I'm of thirteen hundred. Scientists from thirty eight countries investigation. How cancers are formed and how we can be individually treated they did this by identifying the DNA of dozens of tumors? It's taken ten years and the researchers made new discoveries like how strikingly different one person's cancer genome is to another so does it affect actual treatment. Paul Hawkins asked one of the leaders of the project. Josh Stewart. WHO's professor of biomolecular engineering at the University Vestige California Santa Cruz I think for both Initially for cancer research at its most complete picture we've had of the cancer genome in To date and there's a slew of exciting discoveries just chock full in this data set that we shared with the entire research community. Other people have used the analogy of Jigsaw puzzle being put together and It to extend that a little bit. It's it's like. The puzzle has constructed a recipe book All the cells in our body are like tiny little robot kitchens that are cooking something up and they're following inspections in the DNA this recipe book and This project has looked at the entire set of changes in the tumors recipe book compared to the normal and What was done before it was? We only really had the money and the wherewithal to look at one percent of it and so it's kind of like looking just at the ingredient list and now we've been able to look at all the instructions on how the ingredients are mixed together and how much and so when we say it's a game changer. It's because we've finally read all the books from cover to cover and didn't leave anything unread. Wow have you already derived in some passages from that data that can tell you why or how forms you still crunching those numbers. I yeah we actually. There has been some major new discoveries in this and of course we're sharing the day then hope that others will also find new patterns and connect them to treatment outcomes and so forth. I give you an idea of some of the new things. They're such a rich amount of pattern. In the data our tissues have lots of different types of cells in them and one one cell is what leads to cancer and the types of changes that assail gay gathers give a clue about what that original cell was and that can actually be very important when you treat cancer. In addition you know the different mutagens that hit our bodies leave fingerprints in the genome on like UV. Light leaves a telltale sign. Smoking enzymes that go awry in our bodies they leave particular signatures in the genome genome. And this study more than doubled the number of signatures. We don't know what all of them are like. We don't know what's causing those changes. But we've completed lead the list of the types of changes that happen from very early on and in cancers and then later on late stages and these things actually change change over time. Well that's fascinating Professor Josh Stewart of the University of California Santa Cruz speaking there too. Paul Hawkins it's still to come in this edition of our podcast to was probably the most famous elephant in the world. Even as a magnificent offense cents and I was very lucky over the last ten years to spend a lot of time a Tim. The TOSCA reknowned African elephant has died. We'll find on why he was a legend in the world of conservation after eleven months. More than five thousand orbits of the Earth with and traveling over two hundred twenty three million kilometers. The American astronaut Kristina Cook has just completed the longest ever single spaceflight by woman. The aim of the record breaking mission was to help NASA better understand. The effects of long-term stays in space as the agency prepares to send people to the Moon in in twenty twenty. Four Cariballo has this report and it looks like Soyuz. Ms Thirteen carrying Kristina Cook. Luca Parmigiano and Alexander Sports off has touched down three twelve. Am Central Time right on time. This is the moment. Kristina Cook returned to Earth. The Russian Soyuz always copes who landed on the steps of Kazakhstan after undocking from the International Space Station. Four hundred kilometers above the planet and now after three hundred twenty the eight days in space and at one hundred thirty nine million miles per Kristina. Cook the expedition sixty one crew was officially home. Hope to spending three hundred twenty eight days as in the INCA base the engineer and physicist setting you record for the longest ever single spaceflight by a woman and the second longest single flight by the Amy American could also made history when she undertook the first all female space. Walk Alongside had neces- Compatriot Jessica Man. When we first got go to come out of the airlock we were holding onto a handrail and we just caught each other's eye and we knew how special that moment wise and I'll never forget that as being the full front front of equality when it comes to women in space it was only in nineteen eighty three? The first American woman escaped the pull of the planet twenty two years after after the first male American astronauts and two decades after the Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in space after eleven eleven months of weightlessness multiple experiments including possible cancer treatments and Karaoke nights with the crew Christina Cuckoo. Ready knows what she's going to do do she. Spent down on solid ground. Being outdoors is really at the top of the list. I live near the beach and I absolutely love the water so hopefully going for a swim or surfer just walking my dog on the beach. Those are things that you can't really replicate up here. So I can't wait to be out in nature. Kristina Cook the record-setting NASA astronaut and in that report by Gareth Barlow now legislation necessarily the best way to achieve equal pay. Another option might be pay transparency by making employees employee salaries publicly accessible. That's what one. US Company did buffer is a firm that produces a tool for managing social media accounts. And it's made data on salaries available for all to see Katie worsley. Buffers Vice President of engineering told Carney shop This is meant to make pay more aqel. We are paying people the same amount for the same job so if you look at to software engineer level three they'll be paid the same amount however if you want to look as the average salaries overall regardless of the type of job. We do see that all right. Why's that well? It's because because men tend to hold higher paid positions on the team. Some of it is because they are longest tenured. We initially hired fall. Men in the early days company those missile with us. They've been promoted as being successful whereas the new hires on our women and their earlier necker is so. There's a bit of that tenure effects we also also noticed as our engineering team. It's still sixty percent men which is quite good for technology. But it's still does need those high page nearing salaries. I'm you do see more men in engineering. I'm getting those high salaries so given the fact that this was introduced in two thousand thirteen. It's still saying that the is agenda. Pay Gap right. There is I mean if you have a man and a woman. Doing the same job has no gap. Men are more likely to have higher paying jobs. That is true because of the experience. And you're talking about about the ten year so that's one area that needs to be looked at Charlie. Yes absolutely It's a time that we hold diversity. Debt has really what happens when companies sort of retroactively goes into fix issues surrounding. How you pay people how you promote people who you have on your team and is really the longer you wait to fix fix something like this? The hot it's going to become or you know we had on day one equal numbers of men and women. We wouldn't have had the tenure issue we do our and retroactively actively. It's quite difficult to fix. Because of course all of these men are excellent employees. There are eminently qualified. You know regardless fire them be men of course but how about employing women in the positions that these men have held for really long time open. Hobbs really looking at tenure and looking at the ability to do the job perhaps right and that is really important. It's like hiring. Senior woman into these positions is key. So recon just hire women into more junior roles roles and have everybody sort of work from the bottom. Indeed we talk a higher most senior woman. Is that happening at BUFFA. Because if they've identified they still do. Have this gender pay disparity because of tenure. Are they correcting that. In the way in which they hire extremely slowly. We don't hire very many the people at senior level so I would say yes. But it's painfully slow. It's something that in a sense I'm speaking out about but also I'm the person that needs to this point do something about it. We're talking about the gender underpay gap here when it comes to hiring people from other races. How effective is buff in doing that? And we do have a problem when it comes to representation in leadership. We don't have any people of color in the managerial ranks on our executive team. And that's a glaring gap that we're very aware of urgent effects. Why is there a gap that as well? Oh well I would say that. We started off as a very white company and we haven't diversified to the point that we need to US ause. That's a really good question. We've tended to promote from within so it goes back to the early days with company. We weren't as aware of diversity inclusion. It was a very y team. People were promoted from within the company and what we saw was really the same as the story. I just told you with the women. We've seen mainly men mainly white people end up in high tenured NJORD positions of power and that is the problem yes and whilst buffer is trying to get ahead of this gender pay gap when it comes to employing people of color there is and now the gap you do recognize. You still have a long way to go in terms of closing. Those gaps are absolutely a huge long ago. Casey boomers late from the Social Media Development Company buffer. Speaking to Carney shop one of Hollywood's most famous actors Kirk Douglas. His died at the age of one hundred three. He appeared in more than eighty films. Many of them big box office hits and he also directed and produced several films and later displayed blade is talent as a writer. Palmer partisan looks back at his life for most of his life Kirk. Douglas was driven by relentless ambition and had his roots in his childhood in Amsterdam. New York state where he was born issuer Danielovich to rag man and his wife both Russian Jewish emigrants the family. Were wretchedly early. Pour but as the only boy among seven children. Douglas found the lack of affection from his father. Something he could never forget. My father was a one one of the most important factors in my life and I realized that the key element in my life was that I never got that pat on the back from my father never got any feeling of approval ever throughout his whole life. So it made me angry after studying sinned Lawrence University and the Academy of Dramatic Arts Kirk. Douglas arrived on Broadway and after the Second World War made his screen debut in the strange love of Martha Ivers with Barbara Stanwyck. His good looks attracted active much attention but he turned down the chance to Co Star with Ava Gardner in favor of a low budget film about boxer champion. I'M NOT GOING TO BE A. Hey you all I want to hear people call me Mr make something myself as a talented wrestler. Douglas not only had the physique for the role and the personal experience but also the raw energy champion one noscow nomination a made him a star. He excelled tough ruthless roles like the cynical journalists in a snow hole. Newspapers backward forward and sideways. I can ride 'em editing printing. Wrap them and sell them. Don't need anybody right now. I can handle big news and a little news and if there's not a lot and by the dog Kirk. Douglas rejected studio bosses requests to have as dimple removed. And it didn't prevent him from winning two more Oscar. Nominations I for the bad and the beautiful then for probably his best. Performance has the tortured Vincent Van Gulf in Lust for life. Or I have myself committed. I want to go to an aside. I have two more of these. Attacks can be helpless like a crab on its back unable even to do away with Kirk Douglas's search for perfection made him demanding man to work with his dedication to his career. Your costumers first marriage and let him to form his own company. He was the producer on the star of the antiwar paths of glory. And the epic Spartacus for which tired and credited a blacklisted writer. Despite his many achievements he said he wasn't satisfied because that was to come to an end and it her the little. Oh boy that I think is inside me I think is inside everyone especially a man it becomes something that becomes the quintessence. Uh of what you are. But he faced another crisis a stroke caused by helicopter crash which killed two people and left Douglas. Traumatized but as courage and dignity baffles or recover his speech won widespread admiration Kirk. Douglas had a long unhappy second marriage and four successful sons including one famous. One John Michael. He also won an honorary Oscar in Nineteen ninety-six wrote several successful novels and in his late eighties. He and Michael finally realized their ambition to make a film together called. It runs in the family. Mom that here defend you. You don't know what to say. She always raises serve you. Here's excusing life. Go talk about your more than I will talk about her. Anyway I want because she is my mother and Dad my my father the voice of Michael Douglas ending that report on Kirk Douglas by Colin Passion and finally were remembering another famous this character but this time from the animal world in Kenya. A legend of the elephant kingdom has passed away. Big Tim the Tusker who lived in Amber Sally early National Park died aged fifty from natural causes and his body will be preserved and put on display in Nairobi. The world denied photographer. David Garrow took many pictures of Tim and told Paul. Hawkins won't made this particular elephant so special. Tim was one of the last twenty or twenty. Wendy five big TUSKER. Ellison's left's in Africa. All these big tuskers live in Kenya into national. Parks either. saw the National Park or I'm Kelly and there are. The elephants are kind of half elephant half mammoths in their tusks reach each the grind. So they're like something out of a Disney ice age a film they're emblematic of the fight for survival of rare species in Africa and Tim was probably the most famous elephant in the world is a magnificent Bill Addison's and was very lucky. Lucky over the last ten years to spend a lot of time with him. So how do you feel about his policies given that you spent so much time win. It's a bittersweet bovine to to borrow from Dickens. It's the best time worst times. It's sad the kids. He was a legend that he's gone but also I think it's a day to in some ways celebrates because he died of a twisted gutsy. He he died of natural causes and he died fifty years old which in elephant years since is a good innings and he lived in a place where no elephants have been poached for five or six years and a many ways. Today's Today's should be a celebration of the successive conservation. Rather than necessarily saying isn't a tragic. That analysis has died. Everyone dies and There's no tragedy here is just the reality that life moves on. Yeah it's about how we live. I guess and how Tim Leave. Did I hear he was a bit mischievous is that right. He likes to Rome he roamed the thing about sell National Park. Is there are farming communities indices near where he lives and that would mean that he would sometimes move from away from the protection of where the Rangers were of. KWS into farmers farmer's land into tomato fields and potato fields and he would be a nuisance. I was very lucky to work very closely to him. And one thing that people think that I'm exaggerating. You might not have known me but he certainly knew the rangers that accompany Mesa Mesa Absalon the grind within about fifty meters of an enormous elephant without feeling really threat and that was a fairly awesome. Some experience photographer David Gyro on big Tim Tusker. He was speaking there too. Paul Hawkins and that's it from us for now but but there'll be an updated version of the global news podcast later. If you want to comment on this edition or the topics we've covered in it. You can send us an email. The address is global podcast at I'd B._B._C.. Dot C._O. Dot U._K.. I'm Valerie Sanderson next. Time Bye bye.

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"Oh Howard, You Idiot!

"Pushkin Question was nagging me who killed truth This truth problem it isn't just bad. It's deadly. I'm Jill Lepore, and I'm a historian at Harvard and a staffer at the New Yorker. I spent a lot of time trying to solve mysteries like this one. So I decided to start a podcast. It's called the last archive hell tell ten stories from the last hundred years a history of America and our arguments about truth and evidence. The last archive brought to you by Pushkin Industries. In the Middle Years of the Twentieth Century Howard Hughes was one of the richest and most famous people in the world. He was tall who's handsome. He took his father's drill bit business and turned it into a corporate colossus. He owned half of LAS. Vegas he designed some of the most technologically advanced planes of his era, and once after he flew around the world in record time, he was given a ticker tape parade down Broadway. Advised it through the man made Kenyans, of Manhattan. Pampa streams from office winds lower Broadway. That's new. York here's onto the pilot who has carried the name of its around the world and home again. Hughes even owned a Hollywood studio directed his own movies and Squire every famous actress of the day around town Ava. Gardner Katherine Hepburn. Lana Turner. Today. We have a category for the celebrity playboy, a category for the entrepreneurial genius, a category for the eccentric billionaire in his day. US All those things all in one. Over the last twenty years of his life Hughes, became a reckless. He vanished from sight never seen never heard with the exception of an interview. He gave in the early nineteen seventies where he was asked about his relationship with a man named Clifford Irving? Actually his Dad Jay. It was a funny guy a cartoonist thing. Madam in La when he was out on a publicity. This was. Nineteen forty. Maybe forty watts. I was surely outlaw with Jane Russell Jay came on the set. We stayed in touch on and off. He had a little boy with. Aid. Clifford I always thought that was an old lance pain. Strange to see. Hit. Clifford. Clifford grew up to be a writer. One, day. Whatever his books out of the broom. Biography of some. Painter. No Sally me. This must have been sixty eight. Sixty nine. The good thirty years later. And I thought but the hell. Every other son of a bit system story. Why not make? A. Huge wrote back. Dear Mr Irving. Thank you for the gift of your book which I, thoroughly enjoyed reading. It seems to me that you portrayed your man with great consideration and sympathy when it would have been tempting to do otherwise. For reasons you may readily understand this has impressed me. Yours Truly Howard r Hughes. The note was handwritten undated on yellow legal paper Hughes wrote by hand on. Yellow legal. PADS CLIFFORD, irving, recalled years later that Hughes's handwriting quote extended well, over the ruled left hand margin the way a schoolboy might right unquote. Clifford Irving read that note and thought Oh. This isn't a thank you for a book. It's an invitation to write a book Hughes wants me to help him tell his story. And so differed or did. In an insane and wonderful work called the autobiography of Howard Hughes. My name is Malcolm Gravel. You're listening to revisionist history my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. This episode is a book report like the kind you didn't middle school only with a twist. Actually, a lot of twists so many twists. Like I said, the book is kind of insane but also wonderful. From all of us here at revisionist history, the autobiography of Howard Hughes. Gets. Two. Thumbs up. When Howard Hughes disappeared from sight in the last decades of his life, it set off a frenzy of tabloid speculation. He was the most famous man in the world and all of a sudden he was just gone. There were rumors that he'd gone crazy had hair down to his waist was living in squalor. Vegas hotel he'd become the American loch ness monster a giant exotic creature submerged in the murky depths of his own celebrity. As you can imagine, then the publishers at McGraw Hill were dumbfounded when Clifford Irving told them that he'd been in touch with us and that Hughes wanted to collaborate on his memoirs. Irving was a minor novelist Wyan earth would hughes picked him. But then irving explain the family connection and reminded them Hughes's known eccentricity and mcgraw-hill realized they had been handed the publishing coup of the decade. They offered a seven hundred fifty thousand dollar advance for the book. This was in nineteen seventy one that was an extraordinary sum of money. Told Hughes. The News. Hugh's responded immediately told to check into a hotel Manhattan and wait for a call. At three o'clock the next morning Hughes's on the line. He summoned irving to Oaxaca in southern Mexico there irving waited in a hotel for two more days until a man named. Pedro called him. Patriots said, please meet me in front of the hotel at dawn. The. Two men drove to the top of a mountain pulling up alongside another car. Irvine. Got Out. Slid on the passenger side. And there was. Irving would later write this of his first encounter with the mysterious Hughes. He wore a cheap short sleeve shirt of nondescript colour. Attend Cardigan with a button missing Chris Brown slacks, and a pair of loafers into which his socks somehow always managed to slip and vanish. So that when he crossed his legs, there was a gap of Bony White Chin between the sliding sock and the trouser cuff. The two men then began an extraordinary partnership. Over the next few months, they would meet for mammoth interview sessions in Paradise Island the Bahamas Palm Beach Puerto Rico. Irving recorded hours and hours of Hughes's recollections. The result was a book told entirely in Hughes's voice that in manuscript form ran to more than thousand pages. Anticipation for the autobiography rent. So high that Irving was booked on sixty minutes for a sit down with Mike Wallace. Is he good looking men still He has the good looks. Of A man who wants was extremely handsome and has dignity in his face, does he wear a beard? Not a real one. Not a real. What I mean is he has on occasion one false beards. And false mustaches and wigs. I said as James Bond setup here that that that's out of the worst possible detective novel you could ever. Read. Everyone was hungry. You know about the mysterious Howard Hughes. Clifford Irving held press conferences life magazine paid a fortune to run excerpts of the forthcoming biography. The bidding for paperback rights went through the roof. The world thought the autobiography of Howard Hughes would sell millions upon millions of copies. except. McGraw Hill never published. No one did until nine, hundred, ninety, nine when a now defunct outfit called www dot terrific books dot com out. Of Santa Fe. New. Mexico printed it up and put it for sale online. I found my copy in a used bookstore in. England. The autobiography of Howard. Hughes. OPPOR disappeared. And why? Because just as the book was about to come out Howard Hughes called a press conference. He was in his penthouse suite at the Potanin Beach. Hotel. In Paradise Island at Nassau speaking to an assembled group of journalists by phone because of course, Howard Hughes never showed his face in Public Hughes declared that he'd never met. Clifford. Rubbing. Well Go down as. I only wish I was filling in the movie business because. I don't remember any rep says wild. Drenching the nation if the yarn has paragraph. Talking about the biographies because I've never had it. Says he's never read or seen or participated in or even heard of the book that's supposed to be his own autobiography. I mean this. Is just. Fantastic. Taxes. Your. Imagination to relieve the thing like this could happen. I never saw him, I. Never even heard of him until matter days ago when this thing I came attention. Can you believe it everything was made up the autobiography was a work of Fiction Howard. Hughes never wrote Clifford Irving a letter on a yellow legal pad. The two of them never met in Oaxaca Upon Beach Puerto Rico. And as for the interview with us about meeting. Clifford Irving as a kid. I made that one up just to get in the spirit of things. For a brief moment in the literary life of Nineteen? America Clifford Irving was a major scandal. He wound up in prison his marriage fell apart. He tried to capitalize on his hoax with a memoir called the hoax it was made into a movie with which gear which Irving hate it in yet another of irving's many feats puts but because he thought it took too many liberties with the truth. But I'm not all that interested in irving the hoaxer. I'm more interested in the hawk. See How Hughes This entire book report is really just a meditation on those two absolutely baffling sentences from the real. Howard uses phone call with the media. I never read it. I don't know what's in. An accomplished writer writes a fake autobiography of you and you set out to squash it. You make it disappear, turn it from what would have been an enormous bestseller into something. You can only get years later from terrific books, dot. com. And you didn't even read it. How? Howard. You. Idiot. Those of you who have heard me do ads for before know that I'm obsessed with the question. of where the poplar white gangly ear buds from the WHO rank on the list of the most expensive objects in the world on a pound for pound basis. I mean. You have to be up there right I feel like if the wise men the bringing gifts today, they would have gold frankencense Moore and those white Dingley ear buds for you know who've just to prove how much money they can throw around. 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He was discovered Clifford Irving sat down with one journalist after another trying to explain himself. This is an interview with the BBC but all the abuse he did at the same basically urban can't explain himself. Undoubtedly some streak of lunacy screw loose somewhere spirit of adventure. Agreed. The literary challenge involved middle-aged a whole combination of things. It's a lot easier after the event to analyze why you did what you did but generally wrong I don't really know deep down wide. Arvin? Wasn't desperate or broke. He was a pretty successful writer. He had a four book deal with McGraw Hill for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars which close to a million today. Irving lived in a charming seventeenth century finger on island of a visa. He was handsome and dashing. He had a beautiful wife and two small boys plus a mistress a blonde Danish aristocrat who is also a world famous calypso singer apparently because in the nineteen seventies, you could be a blonde Danish aristocrat and still plausibly call yourself a calypso singer. So why did irving risk it all for hoax Irving died in two thousand seventeen but he planted some clues scattered throughout the various autobiographical accounts he left behind. For instance, there's his run in with chief Red Fox. Chief Red Fox was a Sioux Indian actor and performer who is a kind of minor celebrity in the late nineteen sixties and Seventies. He claimed to be the nephew of the famed Sioux chief crazy horse and he made no less than five appearances on the Johnny Carson show. May I ask when you were born born June eleven eighteen seventy? This was nine, hundred, sixty seven, which would have made chief Red Fox ninety seven years old. I WanNa know what kept me so young. The showbiz. Me But smoking eighteen good cigars each day. Eight teams chief Red Fox got a big book deal from McGraw Gra Hill for his memoirs, but when Irving met him at Red Foxes Book Party Manhattan He came away convinced the chief was neither chief nor close to one hundred years old. and. In fact and I'm quoting now. He resembled nothing so much as an old retired shopkeeper sitting on a stoop of a Brooklyn tenement rattling on about his youth. Just imagine must have gone through Irving's mind. This guy can get a big publishing deal. then. There's the book Irving wrote just before his Hughes Autobiography. That one was called and you can't make this up fake. It's nonfiction the biography of one of Irving's friends from visa and accomplished art forger named L. Mir de Horry. WHOSE REAL NAME IT turns out was probably not me here Dory but whatever. In one of the many Byzantine twists to the irving story and as I warned you, there are a mountain of here Orson Welles option fake and did a kind of post modern documentary on horry. It's wells as next to last film maybe his least watchable. But there's a fantastic moment orwell's interviews irving about to horace technique. And I asked him to three drawings for me to Matisse Modigliani, which he did before lunch and put a little coffee stain on the edge of the Modigliani to make it look really as if Modigliani had done it in some. Paris cafe. Then took the three drawings to the Museum of Modern Art. The museum examined them for two hours. And came back with the verdict they will absolutely genuine and in fact, horrified that I wanted to sell. Matisses and Diani painted before lunch by Mir to. And verified by the Museum of Modern Art. The point is Clifford or having did not have good role models. He was surrounded by people who got away with making things up. So one day he gets together with one of his best friends a rudder named Dick Suskind and he says Hey Dick. What are we try this forgery thing for ourselves let's forge an autobiography of the most famous man in the world. Why in fact did you choose us? He was there like Mount Everest to be climbed. He was an accessible. No one had interviewed him in the last twenty years and he could not step forward. In public in court. Or. To An in person to the to the media or anybody to deny it. Irving's gamble was at Hughes. Good. Say anything demand was after all a complete reckless and if he did write an angry denial, no, one would believe him. Urban could simply say that's not really Hughes. That's an impostor and who would no. When I said that Hughes was like the Loch Ness. Monster I meant it. There was a constant swirl of tabloid gossip and Innuendo and speculation about him and no one knew what was true or what was made up. Worst case scenario Hughes does come forward and denounces the autobiography and convinces everyone that he is in fact, Howard Hughes but then irving figures it still okay he can say I was duped. Irving tells his publisher that Hughes has strict conditions for cooperating on the book. One condition is it only he irving connect as go between? Irving will handle the money. Then, he tells McGraw Hill to make out the seven hundred fifty thousand dollar advance to h R Hughes initials only. Cushal detail because once he has the check irving then takes one of his wife's old passports she Swiss and he forges a new name in it. Helga Bernardi Hughes. and has who used that fake passport to open a Swiss bank account in the name of H.. R. Hughes. And just like that. The rich. It's so brilliant. He could easily have gotten away with it. How do you set about writing a book inventing the story? Well, my collaborator Dick Suskind and I did an awful lot of hard research. We traveled back and forth across the United States and wherever we could to libraries newspaper files to get information on us we amassed. A huge amount of data and we had accessed time life secret files which were excellent. What they're interested in most is Hughes's speech patterns, his expressions and inflections. The book was written as one long conversation between Irving and Hughes. So they wanted their fake QNA with Hughes to feel real particularly to those who had years ago met the Real Hughes and knew how he talked. Irving would come up with a story about how Hughes had summoned him Palm Springs the Bahamas. then. He and Dick Suskind would fly there. Check into a hotel generate receipts go through all the motions in order to have the most perfect cover story and then hang out in their hotel room and actually conduct the quote unquote interview. I mean, what do you do? Sit Down and talk to each other down put a tape recorder is I've got a hangover today. You'll be Howard. I'll be Clifford and after a while when that turns still would switch roles and then we edited the tapes. Erased them because we didn't want them before in the hands of anybody else. And then after it was all type and transcribed we edited it to make it even more interesting. And the result fools everyone. Everyone his publishers mcgraw-hill, read the manuscript, go over it with a fine tooth comb give it to their lawyers show it to skeptics. Irving forges letters that are supposed to be from Hughes mcgraw-hill asks handwriting experts to verify their authenticity they do. People who read the manuscript who know Hughes come away saying this is Howard it could only be Howard it's how it's voice his phrases thinking. Only a handful of people expressed any doubts like, Mike Wallace of sixty minutes famously the toughest most skeptical most unrelenting journalists in America. Were there any witnesses to your meetings with Howard Hughes? Any other human beings yes. There were who a researcher. By name a man named Richard Susskind. Says Dick Suskind my collaborator, and then he adds a little perfect whimsical touch and how accidentally happened to be sitting with me in a room when us. Too Early Suskind. Stood there use stood there I stood there and finally I said, well, this is Dick. Suskind who's doing some research for me on a on a project. and. Use that I. Suppose you know who I am. Suskind. Unfortunately instead of taking that opportunity to slip out of the room said, yes, I do miss to us how do we start at a stick in his hand and withdrew it instantly because uses not very keen on shaky hands. And then. After another moment. Of Awkward silence she was reached it was pocket and pulled out a bag. We still disagree I said it was a cellophane bag suskind says it was a paper bag. And he said to. Excess skin have proven. Hughes carries a bag of prunes in his pocket of course, he does. Irving tells the story to Mike Wallace as they sit in overstuffed armchairs in front of a fireplace. While then turns to the audience and concludes. Is the autobiography genuine. I can only say that it is laced with detail that one would think that only Howard Hughes could no Mike Wallace, can't shake. Irving's that good. Now if you detect a certain affection, my voice, Clifford serving, you won't be wrong i. mean the whole thing is just so Davis his pranking the whole literary world plus one of the world's richest men the stuff shirt to minutes the Swiss banking system on and on. This is the irresistible temptation with irving hoax to get caught up in the wild genius of. Clifford. Serving. But like I said, this episode isn't about Clifford Irving. It's about how Hughes. WanNa motorcycles and mayhem deep covers a true story. It begins with an FBI agent going undercover in Biker game and it ends with well. War A full-scale scale invasion. I'm Jake Halpern. I'm a journalist for the story to dive bars or farms backwater swamps talked to FBI agents pirate re-enactors a bunch of big time drug smugglers listen to deep cover. Now when your favorite podcast APP or deep cover pod dot, com brought to you by Pushkin Industries. Hi there I'm Michael Lewis host of against the rules and we're back for our second season. We're talking about coaches. It wasn't that long ago that we only had coaches in sports but now their life coaches and coaches, you can even hire a coach to improve your online dating performance and your charisma. The coaching has become an odd source of unfairness. Has Access to these coaches who doesn't find against the rules wherever you lessened brought to you by pushing industries. Howard Hughes was born outside of Houston in nineteen o five. His father was in the oil business and made a fortune by inventing a new drill bit for oil wells. Hughes's mother died when he was sixteen and his father died when he was eighteen turning us into one of the wealthiest orphans in America. Making News, them has now sports and industrialist Howard Hughes unveiled his mystery played in Los Angeles. Racer. Thousand. Horsepower Motor. Outstrip any plane ever built in America. Almost immediately Howard Hughes moved to Los Angeles, and there he took up the three great passions of his life airplanes, movies, and women. He founded in aviation company he bought a movie studio are Ko pictures and he pursued beautiful actresses obsessively and compulsively. How much genuine Charm and charisma does he have and how much is it's simply a transaction on both sides of the of the relationship I think it depended on the woman. Talking with Karina Longworth author of the most fascinating of the Howard Hughes biographies of which there are many hers is called Seduction Sex lies starting in Howard Hughes's Hollywood, and certainly I think later, there was very little. True feeling in these relationships. But Billie dove the silent film actress who was his first major girlfriend in Hollywood. She reported feeling like they were really in Love Katherine Hepburn in her memoirs Paints a picture of them being really in love which I've chosen to believe even though. There has been some skepticism about Katherine Hepburn in terms of her relationships with men seems to be just reading your book. Deterioration in the quality of his. Relationships over time. Yeah I do think he got the the part of his personality that was more of a collector started to take over, and so it became less about being associated with one woman one usually one very famous woman and more about making sure his basis where covered so that if you lost one, he'd have three more. Extensively Hughes was looking for actresses to star in movies, but his studio really didn't make that many movies and after he sold his studio, he still kept collecting young actresses. He would stash them around Los Angeles in houses and apartments each with their own minder. Lung were says that sometimes people compare Hughes to Harvey Weinstein. But to her, that's an inexact comparison. Hughes wasn't a Predator. He something else. You talk about how they were. So many of these starlets under escort who would go out, they will go to restaurants and they would be the restaurant to fancy restaurant in wherever beverly hills with. Full of tables made up of his various starlets. He's like crazy. Yeah, and they were always being escorted by the chauffeur or whoever he had assigned to look after them. None of them were there with us I think I mean this was at a point where he wasn't really going out to dinner much at all if and a lot of these women who were under contract to him never met him never saw him They were just sort of in the stable. You know if he per chance decided at one point to put them. To to pay them a visit and they all thought they were going to be in movies. By that point he had he had not made movies and years. Hughes was deeply weird. Another ways to he was a Germaphobe. He was emotionally arrested. He wants proposed to the actress faced America by saying I. Love you faith a one Mary you you're the child I should have had. Another time he puts his head in the lap of the mother of the actress who dating starts crying and says, Helen has you I don't have anybody I'm an orphan. And then there's the story from the actress Leigh. All I know is that when I would if you and I had a date. We went out to dinner. Yes. Suddenly there would be third place there and Howard shoes show I see. I see. Lee was once one of Hollywood's biggest stars which meant naturally that she was pursued by Hughes. Jay talked about later with journalists, skip blow and. All of a sudden I'm I go on a date with with the with gentleman and and We're supposed to go sailing and we end up on his plane and in Grand Canyon and and then Las Vegas shooting you know I thought the nightmare would never end. He drove me crazy and find the one time I said for. Cut Sakes. Why riding manipulate? I hated that. Yes. I if you WANNA ask me out. Ask me like a man. Sit there and the range. And he said, right Out with me and I said No. Mr Hughes there's something else. I think a great many people would like to know about there have been some very absurd descriptions of your physical appearance even in the press conference at Hughes gives in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two where he's just there to denounce irving the matter of his weirdness keeps coming up like. His fingernails. A former hughes associate had once told the press that Hughes never cut his fingernails. They are grown to six inches long. Hughes response to this allegation in two parts to be merciful ammonia going to play you part to. Ask, I don't ever have a cure is Do it myself? I never have had manicurist I don't know. Maybe as an. Outgrowth of my childhood, running the teeth people about Having, a mails about having manicures anyway I never had them. Ever but I've always kept my fingernails are reasonable and. Clippers. sensors a nail file from people do I use clippers because they don't Leave her up. and. Afterwards. Anyway. I take family always have. If he's happy and Hughes starts up again. Very happy I'll tell you that. And one of the primary reasons because of. Some of the things we've been discussing here. Tonight that is to say in other words the. Impediments, my freedom. and. activities imposed by relegation and overhanging. Threatened autobiography. So forth, all these matters are. Very draining him there. Your question about that, my happy and content. No. There's something tragic about Hughes orphaned lonely compulsive damaged. Do you think that he had a kind of. was suffering from mental miss. Some could have mental illness throughout his life and what's your sort of X. broader explanation of of his behavior. So I'm not a medical doctor and so I can you know only only state my opinion based on what I've read. I think that he Signs of obsessive compulsive disorder over the course of his whole life But I think that the bigger factor in what we could call a deterioration of his personality and his mental state seems to be the head injuries. Hughes survived multiple plane crashes including one where he crashed into a house in Beverly Hills nearly died. I think especially what we know now about head injuries based on what we've learned from football and other sources, we can really see the impact of these things in a way that it wasn't understood during his lifetime. Howard Hughes famous fire and Sportsman was dragged out of this wreckage of an experimental plane he was testing he was seriously injured. America's aviation trailblazers willingly pay the price in man's conquest of the. But as weird and damaged as Hughes was, he didn't want to be seen as weird and damaged. He wanted to be seen as heroic swashbuckling a brilliant entrepreneur and from the moment he arrived in Hollywood he took great pains to create that mythical version of himself. He put together a massive publicity operation. In. The Hughes Archives of the University of Las Vegas, which incidentally aren't actually his archives but the archives of his PR firm. There's a transcript of a conversation between Hughes magazine. Writer. The writer is working on a story about him and Hughes is basically going through the draft line-by-line dictating what should and shouldn't be said. He's one of the richest men in the world and he's lying editing some poor schmucks copy. When he I guess to Hollywood and successfully bills his PR machine to put this image out there. What is the? Is it possible to kind of? Describe precisely the image he is trying to create for himself I. Think this is actually somewhere where. Trump is useful because you know what trump want us to know about him worth think about him that he's rich. He's a ladies' man that he he lives in a Golden Castle and these are very similar things to to what Hughes wanted out there. You know he wanted people to think that he was the richest man in America if not the world that he was a ladies man who could have any woman he that he wanted when in fact you know he did have wealth but he his wealth was entirely dependent on his father's tool company, which he kind of helped run into some financial straights and which they were. Really, only saved because of World War, tube and they became defense contractors and then in terms of women he certainly dated a lot of women but they report that he was awkward and not a ladies man not suave from the very, very early on he was having you know sort of private detectives follow women around and and he would use go-betweens to do the flirtation so that he wouldn't have to bother with it So yeah. But he didn't want any of that out there. He wanted just image of him. You know at the coconut grove with Ginger Rogers or whoever it was out there Hughes's myth making works to perfection for years. And then after the war, the machinery starts to falter. The world begins to see little glimpses of a very different Howard Hughes. And so he retreats almost an embarrassment and shame. And just as that retreat seems permanent. A minor novelist from a visa named Clifford serving decides to write a fake autobiography of Howard Hughes to do in a sense. The very thing that Hughes himself has been trying to do for most of his life create a new version of Howard. Hughes. Out of whole cloth. Clifford Irving does a Howard Hughes. On Howard Hughes. The genius of the autobiography of Howard Hughes is it everything checkable is true dates timelines, key figures it's a genuine line biography. But mixed in amongst the truths are small unverifiable details that are entirely imaginary. And it is not easy at least I to tell which is which. Such as. Hughes. Of the outlaw, personally designing a special brassiere to maximize the ample downs, of Jane, Russell. That's actually true. Throws memo written by Hughes stipulating in highly technical engineers language just how the bespoke Jane Russell Brassiere was to be constructed. No that's true. Could be who knows Or that there was once a ticker tape parade down Broadway in Hughes's honor. Totally true. But earnings book adds that Hughes ducked out of the prayed early and jumped in a cab uptown in order to have sex with Katherine Hepburn. Don't think that's true. But then again, Hughes actually was the kind of shy self absorbed type who would think nothing of ducking out early on a ticker tape parade in his honor. Particularly were Katherine Hepburn was involved. About one hundred pages into the autobiography of Howard Hughes. I figured it out. Here's how to untangle fact from fiction in Irving's book. Hughes was so creepy and strange that if you run across any detail that makes us out not to be creepy strange then irving and suskind probably made it up. In Real, life, Hughes pursued very young Buxom starlets in vast quantities and ill effect. But in Irving's book, Hughes has a real adult relationship, a true love a sophisticated woman named Helga trapped in an unhappy marriage with a diplomat. Helga is neither young nor buxom nor starlet Hughes happens to sit next to her on a flight from San Francisco to New York exchanges a few magical charged words with her. Then falls asleep. Let's return to our fictional Howard Hughes to hear from the fictional autobiography of Howard, Hughes. After dark fell into a kind of does and I swear I don't know how this happened but when I woke up this woman and I were holding hands. Isn't that incredible. Way Talk Ten one thing led to another. This is not true. Irving made this up. Now if you'll remember. Clifford or having forged his wife's Swiss passport in the name of Helga R Hughes. So she could cash checks made out to HR Hughes. So the Helga in the book is kind of insurance policy in case things about Iran but that's not the important thing here. The key fact is that as far as we know Howard Hughes had exactly one fulfilling romantic relationship in his life and that relationship took place in the pages of Clifford. Irving's fake autobiography. Irving gives us a friend as well. Another obvious invention because the real hughes didn't exactly have friends. Now if you were irving and suskind sitting in the sun and a visa trying to come up with the perfect fend for us, who would you choose? He would have to be someone famous and interesting because otherwise why bother right? And also someone dead because otherwise the just deny it or maybe even sue. So. They pick the most dead, most famous person they can think of. Ernest Hemingway. The occasional rose just after the war some time in the winter of nineteen, forty eight when I went out to look over Sun Valley Idaho with the idea in mind buying it and making it into a popular resort area. I flew out there in my bomber a converted B. Twenty. Five I knew Ernest was there with his family and he was hunting. And so I found out where he was living. I did something holy uncharacteristic. I marched right up to his door knocked on it. He opened it. In a brilliant move. Irving has used use a fake name. Hemingway. Tom Garden. So the reader understands that hemingway like Hughes, for who he really was not because of his fame and fortune. Hemingway loves Tom and Tom, loves Hemingway Calls Him Ham the talk for hours. Then they go up in the B twenty, five bomber and Hemingway says to him at the end with a touch of awe in his voice. Tom You're. Hot Pilot. Hughes goes to visit Hemingway in Cuba they go out on the water and Hemingway's boat. And this is maybe my favorite passage in the whole book because it is so ludicrously. gloriously. Brilliantly. Bananas. After Awhile Ernest said. Let's go for a swim. Barra's Tom. I pulled off my skivvies and we dove over the side into the Gulf. which was perfectly flat and beautifully blue. That was an extraordinary experience for me because we were grown men. I was forty eight years old and Ernest was somewhat older. Than we were in the water naked and Ernest started playing games. Would dive under the water and come up under me and tip me over by the ankles. One was had to be a shark in the other had to be a a killer whale or swordfish, and we would fight. Yell. Xiao warn each other. Watch out well, here I come. Splash around like children. And it was marvelous. We. Let our imaginations runamuck we created. A portrait of billionaire search of his soul, which was a hell of a side. More exciting? I think that Howard Hughes is like a Popol straight biography of how could have be with good. It's I mean, the man himself is a mythic creature product of press clippings and the best biography autobiography was simply the most interesting through I. believe that perhaps we our in our wild imagination got closer to what he was like dreams fantasies than than the reality of seeing. To writers got together and created a better version of the Hughes fantasy then Hughes himself could create. Of course, they did this without Hughes's permission and along the way they violated every known journalistic standard and code raising questions about their moral fiber and the line between truth and fiction and Blah Blah? Blah enough. I think we should reserve our outrage for outrages that are truly outrageous. If someone attacks, you you don't always have to retaliate. And if discretion is the better part of valour, sometimes doing nothing at all is the better part of discretion. At the time, Irving's hoax biography appeared the real Hughes was sitting in the dark in a hotel room Bahamas addicted to painkillers watching the same movies over and over again and worrying about his fingernails. Meanwhile Clifford. Irving heff Hughes doing in the twilight of his life. It's all in the last chapter of the Greatest Unread Autobiography of the Twentieth Century. Irving's Howard Hughes went to India. Had Darshan with Guru where he at last found measure of peace and self understanding. then. Howard. Hughes famous Germaphobe stripped down to his underwear and sat by the Ganges in the Lotus position joining all the other packers on the riverbank. And I was day lose with money. Where dollars with rupees with English pounds with yen with marks and Franks. People couldn't pass by without giving me something. Indians Asians Europeans. Everyone gave. The AC- money just gravitates to some people. Whether they're accumulating TWA stock. Gore. Sitting by the side of a Muddy River in India. Their money magnets and money is like metal shavings. Those people? Clifford Irving elevated Howard Hughes into something other than broken down old man in hotel room. He turned him into the richest beggar again Jeez had ever seen. Everyone who read Irving's book believed that passage they thought it was real. Everyone at McGraw Hill people who had known us for years believed that everyone. And the whole world would have believed to. All Howard. Hughes head to do was read the book. Howard you idiot. Revisionist history is produced by Mia Lebel and Leeming Gift You with Jacob Smith. Lynton. And on an Ahim Our Editors Julia Barton originals scoring by Louise Garra. Master in by Flawn, Williams fact checking by Beth Johnson. Special thanks to our voice artist. Alex Robertson. And the Pushkin Crew Heather Fain Carly meagerly, Ori- Maya Kaynak Eric Sandler, Maggie, Taylor Jason Gambro, and of course L.. Hefei Jacob Weisberg.

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