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Bonus Episode: After the Final Blast

Bomber

29:44 min | 1 year ago

Bonus Episode: After the Final Blast

"The. This week on bomber after the final explosion. We're tying up. Loose ends. Brave men and women of the Austin police department put their lives on the line tonight. That's a law enforcement does every day in this country. They put their lives on the line to make sure that all of us or safe for vault studios on we'll Johnson, I'm the executive producer for bomber. And this week. We wanted to tackle a few aspects of the story that we haven't discussed yet bomber host Jason Puckett joins me this week as well as Tim Ryan. He's the news director at cave you in Austin, Texas. I want to start with Jason if you've listened to the podcast, you know, that Jason was a reporter at cave you in Austin when the bombings took place. Jason I want to say first of all thanks for being part of the project and bringing your personal experience of Austin in March of last year to our listeners. Yeah, it was it was a huge honor. I appreciate you guys involving me. It was. Honestly, an emotional experience to go back through the whole thing. Again, literally a year later, and and think through it all and hear from everybody again, it it's kind of brought up the fact that you kind of breeze through it as a reporter and kind of just internalize it and don't often take the time to go back and go through it, again was was really meaningful a wanted to just to say on that emotional side of things I have to say, maybe not so much emotion. More like fear anxiety, but as the producer behind the scenes interviewing reporters and investigators and listening to all that audio. You know, I would go home at the end of the day. And sometimes just see a box outside my door. And have this weird thought like, wow, you know, what what if that were not a safe package made no sense whatsoever. But it only it just gave me a little bit of insight into what life must have been like in Austin for those three weeks. Well, it's a thought you you don't have to think about until you have to think about it. You know, you don't you don't ever question Amazon box or a box on your front steps until something like this happens or until you start reading about something like this. And then without even thinking about it every box. Every deliver. You'll get from there on out. You just kinda take a second glance at just to make sure it really does look normal and doesn't seem out of place. And that's that's one of those intangibles that's hard to to explain let's talk about some of the lingering. There's questions there were things that happened events and developments that happened after that final bomb one of them. That is interesting that we didn't get into in the show a lot. And I know you covered a cave you when you were there was this labelling of of Mark content as a domestic terrorist, and they're actually it's actually illegal definition is that right? That was one of the most asked questions as all of this was happening, especially after his name had been released. You know, why are they not calling him a terrorist? Why is no one call them a terrorist wise and the president wise in the police chief wire at the FBI Martin, the news outlets calling him a terrorist. He's clearly a terrorist. And what we realized was there are, you know, depending on which source you look at five dozens of different definitions of what a terrorist is. We broke it down. If you look in the dictionary, it seems pretty. Simple because it just says, you know, basically, like the use of terror in general, and then you keep going deeper, and if I remember correctly, the ones we did in the story were FBI, and then I think like legal US federal code, and those those started getting a little different because the deeper you go and the different sources they start talking about ideology, you know, one of them. I don't remember which exactly but declared that it had to be premeditated or politically motivated. So you the more you dove into that the more. It was a little understandable. Why chief mainly and others were initially hesitant. Because on one hand. I don't think anyone wanted to be the first to say it. I think there seemed to be some sort of conversation that they all agreed that he certainly fit the Bill, but no one no one had in a position of authority said yet. So there was some some hesitation. And I do think that when you start using that wording, there are certain legal ramifications that come into play there, certainly different investigative tactics and law enforcement tax. Fix that go into treating a potential terrorist suspects. So so I think there was some hesitancy around why they didn't initially use it. Let let me continue on the front soon. I and I have a little audio here wanna play with with with chief Brian Manley who was interim chief primarily now chief of Austin police talking about the term, and as your police chief actually agree now that he wasn't domestic terrorist for what he did to us. But. But. In that moment. I want you to understand. I was so focused on putting a stop to it. And making sure we did it in a way that allowed us to handle the suspect or suspects in a court system in the future. I was very focused on specific language. I've now had the opportunity to sit back and understand and absorb all of the impacts that it had on a personal level. And that is why sit here today, and I am I am I'm very comfortable saying that to our community and what he did to us. He was a domestic terrorist. So having worked with with chief Manley multiple times on multiple different stories. He's a very thoughtful, man. He he was you know, before he was interim chief he would serve as the previous chiefs sort of go between at the public safety forums for the city, and he would sit there and take questions from both the city council members who were there and just the public who came to ask these questions, and he would take such time. Out of his busy schedule to go through how they do things and to try and make sense of how Austin police work, the people, and I always appreciated that. And I think in this scenario. It was fairly easy to see how he was trying to give as much information to calm people as often as possible, but didn't want to cause any unnecessary over hyping of the situation at the time when it comes to the terrorist thing, I the way I interpreted that at least, and this is just my personal opinion was that he had wanted to call him that for quite a while. But didn't want to get in the legal ease of it was just focused on the investigation. And then after it had a couple of days to actually get some solid sleep and think it over in, you know, talk to people outside of just Austin police. I think he was like, you know, what? Yes, it fits the Bill where we're gonna go with that. And what I've been feeling I'm going to put words to it. Now, you got a sense of what you're talking about there, the thoughtfulness that goes into responses and also as we talked about a lot just trying to keep the city together during an awful time. Yeah. Which was I I can't imagine how he was during all of that. Do you know the fatigue? The the number of hours that reporters were working, certainly, but all the investigators and chief Manley, it's staunching to think they could. Say the right thing all the time. There's a press conference and this became a bit controversial. I don't know if you cover this aspect of things we can talk about it a little bit. But let me play some audio as well. But this is when when chief Manley referred to the the bomber after all was said and done and he'd heard the confession confession tapes. An an how he talked about him the outcry of a very challenged young man talking about challenges in his personal life that led him to this point this wording from interim police chief Brian Manley that has a number of people criticizing him tonight. Many very upset Manley described the bomber as a quote challenged man in a press conference Wednesday when they feel the word terrorist should have been used my comments again were meant to summarize what I heard him say and not give credit to what he said not indicate that I believe what he said, just try and educate this community. On what he said my opinion is that he created terror in our community by his actions and he stole lives from our community. There was certainly a population. And I'm saying this in the way of I can empathize totally understand where they were coming from. But there was a a group of the population who from from fairly early on was was wondering if there had been some weird treatment of this because of the location of the initial bombings because the initial victims were both minorities, and I think when the chief came out and said, I've listened to this tape of this, man. It sounds like the outcry of challenge young, man. Is that right? I think that one was one of those ones where you saw thousand different interpretations come out of it. And there were some people who maybe hadn't been reading into different narratives or different questions about race. And how the the situation of entreated who just thought that was him. You know reporting on what he'd heard there was certainly a group of the population, though, who'd been very finely attuned to how often police at handle this situation from the gecko. Keep in mind that the first two three bombs. I three bombs were all east of I thirty five which historically in Texas, you know, the the racial divide. You can still see nowadays because historically, they would segregate minority populations to the east parts of cities. I've lived in multiple Texas cities. It was the same in all of them. They still showed the signs of segregation. So, you know, a lot of money was still having to be moved to those parts of town there were some older rundown buildings that would have been torn down in other parts of town. But they kind of get around to that. It's it's a big question in that whole state, and when you have to minority victims three minority victims to minority deaths in the community there. People are starting to ask. Why are police why didn't they go a little sooner? Why didn't they raise the awareness? They did after that fourth bombing right off the bat. You know, why wasn't there the same level of talk? And I remember there was a there was a meeting in east Austin. And I remember reading the reports on this, and I didn't cover it directly. But I was definitely interested in it happened before my shift there were, you know, hundreds of people in that commu. Unity who gathered and we're talking about their fears with the Austin police, and there was a woman there who I'd worked with on other stories or name was Fatina, and she was at outspoken advocate for black lives matter and a couple of other groups in town, and she was asking the question. I think many others asked of you know, why why is Austin police just apologizing for how they did things. Why aren't they getting it right in the first place, and that was basically addressing, you know, those chief Manley basically apologized for how he potentially labeled. Stephan house as a possible suspect in his own death and issues like that. So throughout this this entire bombing. There were questions of racial nature was Austin police handling this. Well, would they have done things differently? If more of these bombings had occurred over in the richer communities west of I thirty five and then I think this challenge young man for those people who are already kind of acutely aware of those questions in those possibilities. They heard that. And they they seem to jump to and talked online a lot about why. Wow. He's he's almost being sympathetic or trying to bring sympathy for this this team who, you know, many of them viewed as a terrorist. So that that was the the bulk of the criticism, he got how dare you sort of show, any empathy or sympathy in your wording for this man who killed, you know, multiple people in this community and put us all through such terror. You wouldn't have said that if it was someone else's sort of the unspoken argument there, let's move onto the confession tape that confession tape will continue to be I think a big topic of conversation in Austin for longtime and maybe in other areas of law enforcement, but he left this tape. I think people feel like still if they could just hear it. Maybe it's something about his voice. Not even just what he says specifically, but something was going on there in the tape where he laid out a lot of information. He starts it off by saying it's me again. So there's some concern at the beginning that maybe there were other other tapes or not concerned. But maybe there there were there were in fact other clues out there other. Evidence. Yeah. There was there was a lot of conjecture on what that meant. You know, there was at one point we proved it false. But at one point there was person online claiming to be the bomber. So when we heard that line. There was a lot of talk of well, maybe we're one of those other things that people initially ignored was that some other way he was trying to reach out and gain notoriety. But I mean as we've reported nothing else really has come out other than the snippets that we've heard from the chief and sort of though, they'll give every once in a while they'll give sort of like, a general idea of, you know, he he indicates in the recording that he knew of what was going on. And I think at one point he indicated that you know, he regretted going to the fed ex facility because he thought that's what gave him away. So he shows some level in what we know that he was watching coverage watching what police were doing and kind of keeping an eye on everything. And and yeah, I mean as someone who lived there much less someone who reported on it. It's haunting knowing that. There is a you know, almost thirty. Eighty minute recording of the person who did this to the community out there. And and it's you have to ask yourself the question, you do I actually want to hear that. And I think on a morbid level of curiosity as well. As just trying to get any semblance of an answer to the question of why this all happened. You want to say, yeah, I wanted I want to hear this. I want to know what could possibly motivate someone to do something like this because I can't wrap my brain around it. But there's also a part of me that's that thinks the release of that would would do some harm. You know, that that community I think was incredibly shocked by these acts because it is such a peaceful community in a community of open hearted kind people who generally get along with each other and go out of their way for each other. And to know that a member of that community could do something like this. I think it has the potential to harm because because that's going to make everyone start questioning how how did was it something we did was it something in this community was at something is neighborhood, did has churches organizations growing up. You know, where did it come from? And everyone's gonna start. Analyzing all of that. They already have done that to some degree. But I would just imagine that hearing it from his mouth, and, you know, his own reasonings is is going to only worsen those things in my opinion. Yeah. And investigators also bring up the whole side of the fact that he'll sort of laid out how he went about making his devices, and if anyone were to sort of gain any knowledge or skills at doing that in a in another part of the country that there would just be, you know, be it'd be awful that there'd be no point in releasing that. So we we almost did a story about a week after all this gone down about a week after he he was killed that we were going to actually walk through go online, and we talked to police to get approval. So they wouldn't come investigate us. But say, hey, we're going to we're gonna see if it's actually possible just to find this information online because that's the sort of narrative had been going around is, you know, it's not that difficult to find the stuff, and we didn't run that story. We didn't even finish that story. Because what we found. One hundred percent verified for us that it was true. But very. Quickly. We realized this is frightening and to the point where it would be potentially causing harm for us to share any of this. You know, you don't want to propagates out to the public that you can go to these simple pages and find the so we weren't going to list anything, and we realized by diluting it that much. We all we could really do is confirm. Yes. What you've heard is true. It's it's unfortunately, fairly easy. If you're looking for stuff like this to find it out there. But that was very frightening in and of itself. Let's let's move on. With the confession tapes. Jason, you know, he calls himself a psychopath. And then he also says by the end that if he felt police were closing in on him that he would actually blow himself up in a McDonald's. We didn't. We didn't include that in the in the six episodes. We had a lot of information to include. But you get the sense that things were not going to end peacefully and that was his plan. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, they had one of the officials mentioned that he'd he'd listed a couple of other possible targets as well in there. So it sounds like it wasn't going to. Necessarily have ended anytime soon if they hadn't caught him. Everyone was so tired. It's amazing to think about the fatigue involved and just being able to make clear decisions as investigators really big decisions decisions. Like, whether you go in at night and raid the bombers house, whether you put his photo out there. Those were a few of the big choices and decisions they had to make it just it's it's amazing to think of this team of investigators working on no sleep. And what that is like, I mean, if you ever worked a full day, and then maybe worked, you know, another six hours past your regular full day. You have some idea of what it feels like. But this was weeks on end. Yeah. I, you know, we work in tandem a lot with law enforcement in different arrangements. And I think we we put an hour similar, but it's just a whole different world. And it's hard to wrap our minds around even as reporters who might be out there. You know ninety percent of the same amount of time. We're doing vastly different things. We're sitting there talking to community members and waiting and. Try not to bug law enforcement, but waiting on them to to give information. Meanwhile, they're doing all the work. I mean, they're they're they've got so many different paths in so many different possibilities that they have to be putting in the one thing. I think I can sort of give them some credit on is you didn't you didn't get a sense that they were fatigued in the sense that they were tired. You got a sense that they were they were definitely ready to be done with this. And in a way that they wanted to be over. They wanted to be able to tell the community was safe again. But whether it was adrenaline, or you know, just. A little bit of fear for their family and their community and hope to to end this soon, maybe some combo of that in many many other things in there, their you know, whatever inspired them to get into service in the first place really must come active in times. Like, this those men and women out there were fantastic. I mean, they were they were heroes in every way possible, but they would go up out of their way to to just talk to reporters to talk to the community members with as little information as they had but just trying to reassure them that you know, they weren't crazy the fears. They were feeling they weren't alone. And that everybody who could do something about it in that town was working on it in one of your pieces. You looked into various aspects of what might be true or false because there were so much conjecture going on out there. There's a website that you talked about where a lot of people were making guesses. It sounds like we're actually just coming up fake information about Mark Condit's political leanings in his background. Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah. My life dot com. It's. It's it's a site. That's basically one of those if you ever searched someone's name online, and it'll show, you know, here's this site has a background information on twenty two of that person in their their phone data et cetera. It's one of those sites the issue with it is that people can go in there, and edit user data. So it almost has a wicked pedia ask aspect to it. So people would start posting these Mileit dot com screen shots where it would say marquan it was a Republican Christian. And then there'd be another one. That said, no, he's a liberal. He's registered democrat, and he's atheist, and then we're it just got wild to the point where I think there was one that said he was a scientologist, and he had no political affiliations and his age was changing on them. It was. At the end of the day was people just going in and changing this and then screen capping its and sending it out. The problem is not everyone was in on this kind of quote troll joke that people could change this. So other people were seeing this on social media and saying oh my gosh. Here's proof that he was a registered Republican, you know, and they're sharing that, and it just starts to kind of build narratives on whatever side, you you pertain to so. Yeah, we did as quickly as possible a story saying don't put any weight behind those these are fake. But unfortunately, I is truly unfortunate in situations. Like, this there are so many internet trolls that just want to sort of cause chaos online. So that was just one example yet photos that sort of looked like him, but also sort of looked like an entirely different guy and turned out to be an entirely different guy that people were sharing. Right. And that was like a he was like a a YouTube guy. Yeah. Got sort of caught up in this whole thing. It wasn't even the the actual Marconnet. Yeah. Has named Sam hide. I've done it. So many times now because there's this weird troll community online. When that when there's a big breaking national story. They liked to just kind of feed trolls and see if they can get people to fall for their their game. So that same photo of him popped up people claiming he was marquan to people have claimed he was the shooter in park land. People claim to was the shooter the Santa Fe high school shooting in Houston. And every time we've kind of come in and been like, no is a YouTube personality that somehow is the victim of this this trolling online. But, but it's just it is it does bring up a sad part of the the whole narrative there, it's like as all this is going on. And there's a community genuinely morning and genuinely afraid there's other people online who are just trying to have fun. And you know, I'm glad we're able to go in there and kind of shut some of that down and clear the air. But it's frustrating that it happens in the first place. Thanks to all that you do and everything on the podcast. Jason it's a it's an amazing story. It's a it's a terrible story. But it's also at the end of the day one that I think Austin police can feel really good about the fact that this was going on and an essence they wrapped it up and under. Three three weeks have gone on a lot longer. They really deserve you know, just heaps and unless amounts of praise for their work. They they did make a few mistakes along the way, but I give him credit for acknowledging those and for for going above and beyond to try and correct any of those and acknowledged that we're we're we're in the middle of something we've never been through before. But we're here for you and to protect you, and we're going to do everything in our power to do that. I definitely felt while I did feel real fear. And while it was weird to go home after work and kind of you know, put on my resident of Austin glasses after work. I I did feel like police were there and that I wasn't unsafe at any point. You know, I was worried, and I was definitely double checking things I hadn't before. But I never really felt like I myself was going to be an imminent danger. Our Jason thanks again. I'm now going to turn to the news director cave you in Austin, Texas, Tim Ryan, Jim you've been the news director cave you for almost two years now. Right. A little less than two years. I started in July two thousand seventeen can you describe from sort of a leader? And as as from, you know, from the first bomb to the very end of of how this all wrapped up as best as you can what it was like taking a team of people through this knowing that there was reporting that needed to be done, but also issues of safety. I mean, a lot of things were going on right? Yes. We had to consider many different variables throughout the story. That made it in my experience. So unique story that I hadn't really encountered anything like it before. But in the beginning on March second, this seemed isolated the explosion that killed Stephan house. Was not seen at that time as any kind of pattern that obviously police were investigating it. And we covered it that day. We followed up on it. A couple of days later, we were monitoring it. But it was not getting daily coverage in it wasn't seen as something extraordinary until ten days later so on March twelfth the second and third explosions, the explosion that killed drill and Mason, and the explosion that wounded hope Herrera. Was the turning point in the story when we then realized that someone was out there setting packages at homes with in an effort to hurt people and kill them, and it was working and from that moment from the day of the twelfth until the twenty first it was clearly a different kind of story and a very difficult story every day. And I say that in spite of the fact that whatever we were going through in terms of our coverage and our decisions and the impact that it was having on us, obviously paled in comparison to what the families who were directly affected by this. We're experiencing the house family and the Mason family and the Herrera family, and we were doing our best to be sensitive while still covering all of those angles as as we went along throughout the whole couple of weeks there, and I've talked to a few of your porters who have. Made this point at least one or two who have said it was a fine line to walk where you were letting people know how scary the situation was but also not wanting to panic the community. You know, I think we definitely wanna do avoid speculation. We wanted to make sure that any information that we did report was accurate. He stories aren't you know, easy to cover there. There were people who were very acceptable, and and spoke frequently in law enforcement, and then there were other angles of the story that were sort of harder to get at and we had to work hard at that. So it have a lot of people working on it and stay coordinated, and it's very difficult. I also don't want to suggest that it was perfectly smooth because these things are chaotic, and I I certainly think back to, you know, all the choices that I made during this period and would have made some different choices with some more time to think about them, and and a clearer mind, but of course, in that in those moments that that isn't possible because there it's sort of chaos, and we were also very tired, especially. After that Latin the last four day stretch started on Sunday night. And so there was an event Sunday night. There was an event, you know, Monday night going into Tuesday in the middle of the night. There was the false alarm on Tuesday night. And then of course, early Wednesday morning was the end of it. And by that point there were quite a number of members of our team who had put in just super super long days working the story. And and those are the times where you know, it it gets hard to think straight, and I vividly remember how difficult that was on the other side of this. Now, we're we're a year later. What do you think about as you look back upon what's happened? The fact that there's no real motive of bothers. I think almost everyone what sort of lingering thoughts. Do you have it made me think back to Columbine which I covered in nineteen ninety nine. And I remember at the time I had young children. And I remember thinking how hard it was to understood. Band that event and what produce that event? And why children could grow up to do things like that at that really defied explanation? And I think in fact in spite of all of the volumes that had been written about Columbine and all of the studies, I'm not really sure we have a better answer about that than we do about this. And it is it's frustrating to not under not be able to understand it. But in both cases, it it's just there's something in human nature that periodically produces events like this that that cannot be explained. And we'll never be able to be explained. Even though we really want to. I even though my bias is is strongly in favor of the release of information. I understand law enforcement's position on the question of the tape that the bomber. Made in in his car. And why that could potentially be an issue. Even though I I would I would continue you know, to argue for its release. So that there could be some effort, you know, wider effort at understanding what happened and why it happened. But I I just don't think we ever will. And and it's upsetting. It's an upsetting thought. It was an upsetting story to cover. I I would emphasize that you know, when the with respect to the question of sort of how our team was operating at the same time that we were all doing our jobs and trying to report a story carefully. And and be, you know, vigorous news gatherers, and and do all the things that journalists are supposed to do. We also would periodically look at each other and go what what is this, and why is this happening? And of course, you know, at the end. I in spite of the difficulties in the challenges associated with covering the story. It isn't lost on me that the people who really have obviously suffered the most during that period. And since that period are the families who've lost their loved ones, including the family of the bomber honestly who lost their son. And and and just like the rest of the world don't understand why why it happened or what they could have done or what the world could have done to have affected a different outcome. And that's the thing that I think would bother anybody who thinks about this case is is you obviously like to learn from these things so that we can prevent them yet at the end of the line, it, it seems like that might be impossible. And that's a hard thing to accept. I hope that it'll I'll look back on my career. And think that that's this is the the worst story that I've ever covered. And and that it's it it might be, you know, the last one that even compares to it or Tim Ryan new structure cave you in Austin, Texas. Thanks, thanks so much for talking to us. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Well, and thanks to all of you for listening and subscribing and leaving your reviews and comments my thanks to Jason Puckett for bringing his voice and personal experience to the podcast, Tim Ryan. And of course, cave you reporters. Tony Paige, husky Erica proffer nj Wallace, and the many others cave you in Austin who covered the Austin bombings in March of two thousand eighteen stay tuned for more podcast coming soon from vault studios.

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Austin on Edge

Bomber

25:21 min | 1 year ago

Austin on Edge

"Bomber describes the real life. Man hunt for a serial bomber the events are sometimes graphic and intended for mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Last time on bomber. So far two people killed and two others seriously hurt after opening packages left on their doorsteps. And that's when we categorically son. Hey, this is a serial bomber. We have to jump into this everything we have with each bomb. It became more and more unusual, and obviously more and more dangerous to a major city three bombs over ten days to the blasts in one day just hours apart Austin was under attack. When would the next bomb arrive who would open the deadly package and in a city of over two million people? How do you track down a bomb? I'm Jason Puckett. And this is bomber. Now. Calls Ma was gray. It was March twenty eight to Austin residents had been killed opening a package bounce one. A thirty nine year old father the other a seventeen year old classical musician two others were injured. The city was on edge mourning the lives of those lost Stephen house, Texas State university graduate and father drilling Mason, inspiring, doctor and an orchestra basis the bombings were making news outside of Austin at this point being Zayed's spilling over into Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and reporters and news crews from across the country were streaming into Austin in New York ABC news lead investigative reporter. Josh Margolin was watching closely. He spent years covering similar events around the country. You know, the the the downside of my job working for a a major national news organization in this period in American history is that covering crime means covering very, very large scale. Terrible stories just herb what was going on. Soon after the first explosion on March second. I think we heard that there had been a fidelity and not to minimize the loss of life. But you know, we have we have fatal incidents every single day. So I- distinctly remember hearing about it, and then sort of moving on, but as the bombings escalated, so did the news coverage bombs two and three shifted the story into high gear for Josh and the team at ABC news bombings. Do have have that that sort of terror associated with it? Because it just it goes from absolute nothing absolute horror. You know? It really does. It's not only the nature of the act and how shocking it is. But there's something very very intimate about the intrusion and the the violence of it as Josh Margolin started talking to his sources, he learned what was on the minds of investigators law enforcement was quietly telling us that these things were designed to look like packages that could be shipped now they hadn't been shipped. But the fear was that the bomber whoever. This was was going to try to put the packages into the shipping or mail system. That is always the biggest fear of law enforcement because when you start talking about things being put into the shipping or the mail delivery system, you're quickly talking about planes. Josh and other network news crews would soon be on the ground in Austin chasing, leads for viewers around the country myself my superiors decided that it was time for me to go to Austin for. Interim police chief Brian manly. The threat of another bomb was constantly on his mind. The fact that the next deadly package could literally be sitting on someone's doorstep on open. I guess another concern was the manner in which they will being placed just on doorsteps in front of people's homes. The thought of an unsuspecting child just walking down the street picking up a package. It was just very concerning to realize that we were under the kind of attack that we were under that these were being. At this point. We had no motive, and no reason to believe that that the victims were selected for any particular reason, we weren't ruling that out, but we had not ruled anything in yet because we were so early in the investigation on bombs two and three. So it was the understanding that these could truly be anywhere in our city. And that we needed to get information out immediately hundreds of FBI ATF agents were streaming into Austin. Chris combs was the FBI lead agent in charge. I think when the second bomb happened you jump to conclusions. Hey, this could be a serial bomber. We of discussing that. We're getting updates from the scene for more. Austin police department partners from the FBI that was on scene. We already talking here about what asset so we can start moving into Austin. And then for sure when the third bomb happened, then there was no question. We had a serial bomber and we had to send massive at the resources in Austin. And despite a few dead ends early on. On the investigation had been in full swing ever since that first bomb exploded on March second in bomb. Fragments had been shipped off to DC for nalysts. Bernard's afer is a former federal agent with the ATF. Now, he wasn't working the case at the time. But he explains what was going on behind the scenes investigators will be able to actually reconstruct what the devices were prior to detonation. Those components the way was manufactured. They all have a signature ties to each other. They need to work on very quickly because people that tend to do this. They don't stop many of the federal investigators call them into Austin, like FBI special agent in charge. Chris combs had years of experience. I said to many of my staff, we don't want to have another Eric Rudolph where it went on for years. We're going to do everything physically possible to get up there and get on top of this. And stopping Fred mill. Announce key was the ATF special agent in charge of the investigation, so two big bombings. That are on our mind is the aircrew off investigation in Atlanta. And the Boston bombing case. And so I had. Spent nine months on the air. Rudolph investigation in Atlanta working at case. And then another three or four months and North Carolina chasing him around various theories about motive and ideology were all on the table is this, you know, some kind of fringe group is trying to target, you know, a certain population. And so you're trying to tie all that stuff together. So we knew that there was something out of the norm here. This is going to be a typical one off fatal bombing case. Now, the idea of picking through a debris field with tweezers might seem almost unthinkable. But that's where the work begins for the F ATF always starts that. What we call the seat of the blast. Okay. So that's what the best evidence is as ATF is processing that scene. They're not just picking up evidence their agents and their surf explosives specialists as they're picking up pieces of that vice in evidence, they're processing in their brain in their head and within about forty eight hours are explosive experts had put. That device back together. Exactly what it was built the exploded. Fragments might also have other more significant evidence attached to them if we identified DNA, if we didn't find a fingerprint, obviously developed a suspect, and that's where you know, ATF was working and focusing on an obviously everyone involves trying to tie these victims together and see why would these victims targeted because they basically rebuilt the first device that killed Stephan house agents knew what they were looking for when it came to bombs two and three he changed things a little bit. But but nothing in what we call that as a bomber signature. You know, once a bomber figures out a way to make devices and make them go off when he wants and successes. He doesn't change. And I say he because most of mama's America have been males. But he varied a little bit. But for the most part, the the core part of the devices were all the same. So we I mean, we knew instantly within the first. Five minutes of being on that scene are explosive experts. Look at the Evanston, that's guy and in the case of the Austin bombings. Several components were the same across all those first three bombs the batteries from pretty consistent. And then the what he used for switching devices were were fairly consistent because wherever rebuild that. I one it was made it that much easier to know exactly what they're looking for with that critical. Evidence agents began hitting the streets fanning out to stores across Austin. So then what we're looking at doing is identifying where those components are sold, and then we're reaching out to those stores or go into those stores, interviewing them and determining do they have a customer list of people who bought these components. So we knew certain things that ruin that device from the type of pipe that was used when he switches that were used any kind of batteries every reviews, mostly you're looking at lots and lots and lots of data lots receipts lots of video. Everything you can to try to densify a vehicle person or an individual at bought any of these owners of this device. You might call it good old fashioned police work going into big bucks stores hardware stores anywhere. Someone could have bought components for the bomb from the beginning. We started to build a database of people who have bought one more of these components because a lot of stores have inventory systems or credit card systems. I can tell who bought those. So, but we have to be real careful with that. Because you know, ninety nine point nine percent of those people are absolutely innocent people that might have just bought certain kind of battery or battery pack. So even as Austin police pursued various leads and theories in the early days federal agents have been hard at work from day. One rebuilding the bomb identifying the components collecting receipts and building that database. There was a growing mountain of evidence. As reporter. I was following the case from all police federal agents, neighbors even social media Twitter. Facebook message boards and read it they were all buzzing with theories about the bomber maybe it was a wolf a killer tent on injuring and killing minorities. Or was it something more organized terrorism? Even there was no end to the swirl of ideas tables, Erica proffer, and you have to think about all the different kinds of connections. Is this gang related is this drug related is this are they connected to any sort of group. And you know, I would say fairly quickly ruled out those sorts of things. And I mean, we were really scratching our heads. Why these people the national news spotlight fell on Austin to we started hearing more speculation more mentions of names like McVeigh, and Eric Robert Rudolph and the Yuna bomber. We were reminded of how they were caught. At the station. We even had our own command center setup. I I remember we set up a a little makeshift desk area for everyone and ran extension cords, and you know, try to give everyone a workspace. Because we had I don't know a dozen or so reporters and producers and photographers all coming into contribute. And I mean, it was it was chaos. We also wondered what kind of person could build a package bomb. What did it take Doug is an ATF agent and specialized bomb expert who worked in Dallas for more than two decades or leaving out his last name on purpose to protect his identity. He remembers how a lot of people thought the Olympic park bomber. Eric Rudolph must have been well trained in weapons. The thought was this was a very well trained person. It turned out. He wasn't that well trained there's a lot of information out there person can gather Rudolph was able to gather enough information to build a bomb that killed two injured one hundred twenty people and in the year since then. Amount of making information out. There has just increased exponentially the beginning of my time with ATF most people had to get a hold of JAMES BOND, poor man Anarchist's cookbook, things like that to construct a device now you have to hit the keys on the computer and Google it, and you can get whatever you want a cave, you we talked to our own experts about the investigation we brought in Fred Burton. He's the chief security officer for Stratford. That's a global intelligence firm based in Austin bombers liked to make devices and groups so as we chatted about last time, we will see more bombings into APD in the federal authorities hunt. This individual down now on a positive note, more bombings do give you more forensic evidence. And it's been my experience in working these kinds of cases that the forensics will ultimately lead to the apprehension of the bomber we wondered if the bomber was acting alone. I certainly would not rule out a wheel man or an accomplished. In some capacity. But if you look back over the history of cereal bombers, they're typically loners they are typically psychiatric challenged in some capacity. So you're looking at an individual that's very methodical. But he he may have a route a job that actually puts them in this kind of position. So he has cover for action. It's calls in order to do his in order to put his devices down. We heard from mental health experts psychiatrists like, Dr Wilson Renfro, always typically mixed with a sense of paranoia and twisted thinking these kinds of people rarely seek help. But they feel like they're right. And and that essentially society is out of step with them. And we started wondering if any of the bombs could have been copycat attacks. We learned common signs of a copycat crime. Order in proximity did the crime happened near or around the time of the original crime too. Theme consistency. Are they mimicking what the originator did that could be as simple as something like wearing the same type of gloves or having the same type of mannerisms and number three over exposure to that crime was the person of szeswith the crime, and how it was committed the bombings were reverberating around Texas and making national news in Houston show. You mental health expert Bill Persad was asked about the psychology of serial bomber this might be the kind of person who's a psychopath. So a key element to being a psychopath is you have to lack compassion, and lack empathy essentially, you see people as objects. There's an unquenchable need for power. And at times, you taught the police also you're looking to settle some kind of an injustice or a perceived wrong. And then as far as being a skilled bombmaker. Do you have to be skilled essentially, the answer is no there's enough material on the internet to build a bomb, and that's not a surprise to anyone as FBI agents fan. Out across Austin going to home improvement in hardware stores looking at credit card receipts. Austin police were hitting the streets and knocking on doors looking for any witnesses, or maybe they'd catch a lucky break with the neighbor's home surveillance video we talked to Richard Rodriguez who has a network of cameras outside his house set up to monitor his elderly grandfather and never really worried about things like that. And now did they happing just down the street? It does. I mean feels just got to be on edge gave you reporters like Erica proffer were digging into every detail of the story anything we could learn about a possible link between the victims. It was something that we had to do. Right. We had to get word out to a community. That was not only concerned could my neighborhood be necks. But they were also trying to help they tried to give any sort of tips that they could possibly give our nine one one system got flooded with tips and with all those calls coming in the. System was overload. Austin residents were on edge an eager to report anything that might be suspicious. Amerasian Nagy explosion in the area surrounding on Lee's press press one. And I was told that the weight line, the the wait time would be approximately twenty five minutes, and I thought, wow, that's a long time. I don't know if my tip is really worth waiting twenty five minutes to share. It could be nothing when you are asking the public to call if you have any information, and there is no way for them to call. That's a problem part of the problem had to do with what people were reporting a lot actually of the calls that they said that they were getting were people saying you should pull the cameras from all of the neighbors things like that that I'm sure the people had good intentions in their heart when they were making that call, but it's really not helpful to call and tell investigators how to do their job. Everyone wanted to help to stop the next explosion to track down a killer. But there was still no word on any suspects. No police sketch. No possible description. What we didn't know at the time is that the police had two men they were following two people of interest, Brian manly after the bombings that took place on the twelfth bombings two and three we did come up with some persons of interest based on some of the investigations that had been done, and we're working, you know, to determine if they were in fact, responsible for this all the while realizing that there may be others involved or that we may be on the long path. Hey, if you're in a stories like bomber if you like hearing the story behind the headline check out start here. It's a daily news podcast from ABC news breaking down a handful of the biggest storylines of your day Owen. Twenty minutes from events unfolding in real time tire town is demolished to our biggest investigations low. Robert muller. Michael Cohen calling. I'm Brad Mielke from ABC news. And my mission is simple to get you. Smart fast. So start here. Subscribe on apple podcasts over. Wherever you're listening. Now, it was two or three individuals that we focused on pretty hard for different reasons in again. So you're looking at not only components within device, but potential cellphone tower information who cell phone might have been in the area. And so you start looking at things you look at people's backgrounds or could be a potentially someone that we just caught on video that were in was in the neighborhood. And we start looking in their background and backgrounds looks, you know, someone interesting or they've had, you know, a police report before they made a threat or something like that. So you always going to have those people that the data looks interesting, but does it pinpoint but interesting enough that you're paying attention to who they are where they are. And what they're doing FBI special agent in charge. Chris combs with any investigation. You go through a list, you put together with the possibles who we think may be behind it. And you always have. A long list the way people become possibles. It could be their behavior could be past statements could be past actions. Who in the area has been known to play with explosives who in the area has been convicted of explosive related crimes. You start putting all those names together. And you gotta go through the mall to get either rule them out or rule them in information. They had on those two men with strong enough that they put twenty four hour. Surveillance on them watching their every move if they were responsible for the bombings police would be ready to swoop in at the first sign of another attack on the flip side. They didn't want to haul in Austin resident. Yeah. The last thing you wanna do is chase rabbit holes. In the last thing you want to do is go after somebody who's innocent. So while they were keeping a close eye on a few people. Investigators weren't at a point where they were ready to move in to be honest with you we had a couple of leads that we will follow in. But I don't think we're ever at the point where we felt, hey, this is the main subject there were number. We were we will actively working on. But I never felt like, hey this. This is the one that's going to break the case more stores, more receipts more surveillance videos, more names types into a database the list grew longer they kept an eye on their persons of interest for a few days. And then almost a week the bombing stopped. We're going into that weekend. There had been a bombing since the Monday. So we were starting to think or what do we have to do if this goes long-term? There hasn't been a bombing since Monday wise that what's what's going on was the bomber gearing up for another attack had he simply vanished. It was on settling. It had been a ten day period between the first two bumps, but then the second and third explosions were just hours apart. There was no pattern. No obvious connection between the victims investigators were exhausted, but they were determined and the came up with a new plan ATF has an individual. Especially Justice signed as a profiler on down to Quantico. And so they were on scene. They came up with strategy of trying to get the bomber to communicate with us into see wise doing this what he wants if he wants something a press conference was scheduled for Sunday March nineteen sixties after the last explosion in east Austin, all the lead investigators would be there. But it wasn't just to share information with the public in the press that press conference was for two purposes one was to announce a larger reward as being offered. But the second purpose was really to try to communicate with the bomber and get him to communicate with us. So bombers typically have a message typically communicate with sometimes the media or sometimes the investigators on because they want to get their message out. I mean, we all remember the Unabomber and his manifesto. And and so we were trying our intention was there that press conference to try to talk to the bomber and try to get him to communicate with us. Once again. Interim police chief Brian Manley stood behind the podium. The message to the bomber was clear. There's a message behind what's happening in our community. And we're not going to understand that until the suspect or suspects reaches out to us to talk to us about what that message was. We still do not know what ideology may behind this. What the motive was behind this. And that's why it's important right now that we have the opportunity to speak with the subject or subjects that are responsible for this. So we can understand what's happening here. A larger ward was offered for information leading to an arrest. And there was a new message from police this time for spring breakers coming back into town last week with spring break and many people travel during spring break, and they're bay actually people that have just now returned from being away who are not aware of what took place in our community while they were gone, and it is important again. I'm glad the need is here is you are to get this message out by Sunday afternoon. Everyone needed arrest a good night's sleep. It had been seventeen days since the first bomb shook that small. East Austin neighborhood in started us down this nightmare FBI special agent in charge. Chris combs Sunday. Actually, it ended up being a decent thing. We decided, hey, let's let's go home a little early. Let's get some rest. It's been a very long week all of us working fifteen hour days. Let's get ready to to hit this hard Monday morning. I had food delivered to the room. Now is just trying to get my thoughts. Together, come up with our investigative strategy for the next day, but sleep or a quiet meal wouldn't be an option not for Chris combs and not for Brian man. I was at a at a family dinner at a at a local restaurant and got the call. It was one of my assistant chiefs. And they just told me that we've now had another bomb go off and that we did have victims that were hurt. I immediately went home and got dressed and headed to work. The combination of fatigue and adrenaline must have been almost overwhelming as news of a fourth bomb came in. We'd all been expecting it. When it happened. He brought us all to the core. It was just after eight thirty when we heard about the explosion police say they have a serial bomber on their hands. F he a fourth attack. This latest bombing is fourth in just seventeen days. Boston police are saying there are some. Larry's among the four that fourth blast would change everything the theories the motives possible suspects to was being targeted. Everything was out the window and police were back to square one next time on this is jumping sophistication this is a job in Lee thousand and that concerned us greatly. So that was a whole nother issue is he's raising his game. He's taken it to another level. And. Bomber is a production of studios MTV were available in apple podcast, Spotify, Google, play and other major listening platforms. Our executive producer is well Johnson. My thanks to the people of Austin, my colleagues at cave, you the men and women of the Austin police department and federal law enforcement agents for taking part in this podcast. Join us next week for bomber part four.

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6/29: Trumpdate, Mask-Pocalypse, 2020 Godzilla Dust Cloud

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6/29: Trumpdate, Mask-Pocalypse, 2020 Godzilla Dust Cloud

"Would it is. Joe Man Randy savage this factor in the risk. No one does it better now. Nobody does it better. Myself. told me something right down. Another episode of heart factor presented by the Barstool. News Network is Monday June twenty-ninth, twenty twenty, and there's no Sirius Xm radio heart factor radio BARSTOOL radio this week, so keep it here on the podcast for all of your heart. Factor needs through the fourth of July you. Boys have a good weekend this last weekend leading up to the fourth of July week. I mean yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. I got these road. Seder glasses. Pretty Nice I, don't. Tells you anything about the weekend was? Yeah youtubecom, such hard factor news at out those glasses. They look pretty cool. Is that what you did over that? You bought some? That was the main thing I did this weekend. I I really I did some research. Shopped around and then I hit by. How much does this cost? These things row crusaders. Thirty Bucks. Thirty Bucks, not bad, not bad, not bad, pretty good, pretty good look I feel like I'm also trick. For the radio they got Macho man type vibe to it. For the for the Sirius radio. There won't be any new radio. They might be playing like old shows of ours, but we don't know so sure exactly. Right pod for new stuff this week. Radio for you will find out mystery box and what Apple Cam Newton Willie. Well, Cam Newton is now in the Patriots. In case, in case, you are sleeping under under a rock. Horrible News for Buffalo Bills. Fans was supposed to be their time. That's not good where the bill I mean. Come on with the bills bills Mafia. Right, but they were. The pats were always going to have something up their sleeve. I. Let's not pretend like bill. Belichick isn't bill belichick true, yeah, but mark is. Fine then I will will so got a protest update for you guys to kick off the show first up. The citizens of the chop formerly known as the CHAZ are refusing to give up their hippy utopia downtown Seattle so. A lot of rumors going around that city officials were coming in to remove barricades this weekend and kind of just I, guess teller wanted to go home and shower and stay. The mayor requested that they all leave last week base right so they were going to come in and remove the barriers and. Force them out. They have had been walking around being like hey. You go home. Can, yeah, and there's people just laying on the ground being like no, yes. Me, what at the time of this recording, that's all. It was really it was just a bunch of that. No one really left right. When you hear times of when they're coming, that's not when they're coming. said one of the chops, leaders and Angelica, so it's good to know that they have intelligent leaders. They're in the shop. She saying doing like the Donald. Trump thing like we're not going to actually tell you when we're going to actually come in right now. It'd be stupid. So! She's she's saying that. Of course, they weren't gonNA come this week. And if they said they were some people that live in or around the areas occupied by the trap, like the homeowners have moved while others are not happy that trump is still thing. It's very concerning and the chop security has gotten more contentious. They won't let people in the neighborhood sometimes at night. People that live here said one goal area yeah like if you're if you're coming home from work like in like a night shift and you try to get back to your apartment. Every. Travel gotta be expensive, though probably. Capitol Hill Zone Right. It's got to be high price rule state. Yeah so people that want to deal with that bullshit, so they're like moving and there's like this is fucked up. They make you. Deed. Yeah exactly. Very un-american that they can just take your property from you right well. It's not appropriate them. Entering and exiting and area. They're not like like sitting there. Bucknell writes they've. Got Access to your own personal property correct. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's not good. The Chop people also I guess removed the the Rhubarb, a loops like that each of the. Barricades has loop, so it's easy for like an instrument to pick up the barricades, but they cut the those off searing them off the ends the loop, so it's GonNa make it more challenging for city officials to remove like they're they're. They're hunkering down there. Making it hard to remove the barricade dug in like an Alabama tick exactly. So. That's that's what's going on in the shop. They dug in Alabama tick and we'll keep you updated in other news. To police departments got some hot water this weekend. If you can believe it, the Aurora PD. Aurora Colorado at least two to control the European Rural Colorado busted up a peaceful protests for Elijah McLean on Saturday in city center park. Elisha died while in Aurora police custody last year he was a violinist, so the park like vigil, and like the protests had a bunch violinist playing. But the soothing violin sounds do not stop the police in full riot gear from a pepper, spraying and pushing the protesters by force out of the park at into a parking lot, WHOA! Seems aggressive I gotTA. I gotTa Say Violin Beautiful Instrument, but if not played well. Terrible instrument terrible sounds. Come out of that thing. If you don't know what you're doing, and you get a growing humans together who are going to do a jam? Especially, this is Denver Colorado. I've had some experience with this usually doesn't end what one guy wants to play one thing and wants to play another thing. It's just a mess well. The videos have some pretty pretty good violin. Music. There's one in particular of a guy playing by to park which which absolutely? While he's doing piggyback. The peaceful peaceful protesters are listening to him. Play changes on the violin was incredible, and you can see like see pepper spray in the background, so it's like this beautiful grassy area where everyone's just chilling, listening to change to pock yet the police in riot. fucking show up I. Don't even know why they even showed up to this protests. The police did issue a statement. Say Hey. Some protesters were arming themselves with sticks and rocks, and hurling projectiles or bottles on a so sides every story, but I don't think they should even fucking bothered to show. This Guy Mark Linn things. Technically, it's pro. That's a hornsby that's Bruce, Hornsby. If we're just talk about the music, just saying. Considering the protest, and now I'm going to go against you there and say it was to park. Chan cash so understood that they're the same. Harmony and stuff. No. Right but I think he's playing the to park changes version, so I'M GONNA disagree with you, then okay, anyways. It seemed pretty children me, but luckily this just ended in some sore eyes, and the protest did continue peaceful in the parking lot with more violin play, so they said. They were just like all right. Guys moves a little bit, and then they just kept going. Yeah, exactly the COPS realized. Hey, it's just violinist. Maybe we should just back off. Why are we here on next police force? That got some heat our very own Austin Police Department and Austin Texas. You may remember a week or so ago. The APD caught some flak online for for putting out a post that said Oh. We just want to thank all of our citizens. Who sent us all these? Thank you letters. We love protecting you and serving for you and and look at all this love you. Hundreds of letters. Writing Yeah that's the problem the handwriting, so they put out a picture of all these. Thank you notes in their envelopes, and like fifty percent of them, said just thank you on the envelope with the exact same years. One guys what what it was, it was one. Exam and Has got a stamp. So they drug for that because it was quite obvious that you know the vast majority of them were forgeries. Relations self-congratulation. So now, that was a fast forward to like this weekend, and they're getting in trouble again. As of Sunday because people are going through their itemized budget, they PD's and they noticed a line item that said they spent three thousand dollars on an item listed as snacks puffed cheese flavor so. Cheesy poofs! Did you do the math there. What are those retail for mark probably like? Thousand tubs. It's like thousand three tubs. If a lot of plastic, it's a lot of plastic TUB and. Cheese puff yes, not going to help for this police work. THAT'S GONNA! Make our Chelsea's puffs. Also spent thirteen thousand on item listed jetskis now. The APD responded article that his. One dollars even easier never seen. For those who don't Austin, it is on a leak technically, but I've never seen cops. River they call like. Yes, so so that's a good point pap. Let me defend a little bit. Play Devil's advocate a little bit here. They APD responded on twitter, saying the snacks are actually for victims of domestic violence are not just cheesy poofs, but they're like dry goods snacks that when people that have domestic violence than either come and be. Taken care of by the police. Yeezy poops in their time trying. To say she's sorry. Your husband's violent. Here's a deer's achieve snack. Here's a half tub of cheesy. Assumes family side. Yes. We've all put our hands in it, but it's still a good amount of cheesy poofs left. And I've seen some people defending the Jet Skis Part Pat by saying that they could be used in rescue efforts that other police forces with lakes. By Jet Skis for that purpose I'm not sure exactly. I saw post I saw posted said they bought them. bought. It was basically for training exercise with the fire. Department because there was a hose from the police department a long time ago, saying hey, we got to Jetskis for this training exercise with the Fire Department like I got no beef with the jetskis. I'm not sure like you know, but I am certainly picturing a large barge party in my head with Shitload of Cheesy poof containers and booze, and jet skis and a bunch of like stripper shooting, cheesy poofs out of their crotches into the Cops Mousa. That's what I'm picturing anyways. I don't know last update on today's protests today on protests and I know this is a long one, but it is rumored that the NBA is planning on letting players replaced their last names on the back of their jerseys with statements on social justice. So if that's true, that will be a wild end to the season if it resumes or when it resumes, and I imagine this has got to come as a bit of a shock to run our test, who had to legally change his name to Metta world peace to get world peace in the back of his Lakers Jersey. fucking changes name. He was the gee of the names. Yeah, no, he's probably like. Bitter bittersweet for him Yeah I. Don't follow basketball that closely overwrought or tests. He was the guy that punched a fan in the face, right? Down before he was met a world. Okay, just making sure. Yeah! News on the Pacers at that time also. I'm pretty sure. He's going to do this until somebody says something about Hong Kong or the weavers. Because China those those right probably. Those might be hard for them to display. We know Lebron's not. GonNa, that's a really good point i. mean that's yeah. We'll see how we'll put their money. Where their mouth is so to speak now China won't let them NBA we'll. We'll fold without trying. We'll see. All Right? We know how that's going to shake out. All right was. From protests to the other thing that's been non and twenty twenty corona virus. So the worldwide corona virus death toll has eclipse half a million over the weekend big numbers. Just. A few million short of Joe Biden's Club, where he said one hundred and twenty million Americans are dead of covid before correcting himself, it's actually hundred and twenty-five thousand. That's an easy mix up. Obviously, that's a scary brain to live Joe Biden's. Yeah, third of the country, versus not nearly a third of the country like scared himself. He's like Oh my gosh. Well, that's a bad. We had a bad deal with this current event. Who It's worse than I thought. Worldwide, there are outbreaks in the southern and western United States, which is what we're talking about here with the resurgence in the US outside of these coast, and then also Brazil Russia India and Ho- Beijing China which is a bad sign that it's going to be prolonged everywhere until there is a vaccine available so like if China's haven't outbreaks I was the original spot so obviously we're going to have. We need a fucking vaccine. Come on like. What are you? What are you crazy? We need the vaccine. Yeah, yeah, I'm going anywhere. You're going to want that vaccine for sure. Another interesting side effect of the continued outbreak is the mass hysteria. Regarding the use of masks or not, so we covered it before were the east coast people. We had a lot of Good Jersey input, and then we had Florida last week. Lots of good input about why mastery evil, but now California and Texas are getting to take the stage because now California's reinstitute, really locking down Shit Texas is starting to get serious. Trying to make people wear masks, so there's the new viral video of the Karen in obey. Obey shirt out of North Hollywood, where it shows a woman screaming about her breathing conditions that prevent her from wearing a mask inside the north, highland trader Joe's and she was wearing a you know. The Bay shirts were popular like yeah, like they're like bedazzled like rhinestones. Yeah, yeah, so she's like one of the hundred people that still have that shirt and hasn't given it to goodwill and she was just going got it to, maybe maybe she. was like Joe Biden and she's just living in a different world, actually so north Hollywood though that's pretty Pricey outta badge and she's got some del there's. Dirty parts of north, Carolina. True. And then another video woman in Dallas. Of just throwing her groceries out of the car I think it was it a fiesta in protest of being asked to wear a mask in checkout aisle, so I wouldn't really pissed me off course and she was like put that Shit back put that shit back. Lady, these people know. Rosary store, you dickhead. Yeah, they didn't. They didn't come up with the fucking rules about the masks lady yet, so more of those the come there was also the guy looked like Nick Nolte. He was in Florida. Who is just like going nuts about how the master you know how you? You need to stand up for your basic freedoms. He almost worked himself up into fighting everyone there I thought he was going to just attack like he always Hosa dropkick. Yeah, just sprinted somebody and trap kick them. Yeah Yeah and we'll I do WANNA get sneeze. Micro test but I was on flight today on America. American Airlines flight and American Airlines. They said their big thing. Is You know hey, you got to wear a mask? And they said something interesting, and it was out of respect for others and I was like okay well, that puts it in context, but they did say there are some exceptions. They didn't say what the exceptions were, but they said there are some exceptions that you may notice. People, not wearing masks on this plane because they meet those exceptions what they could be I i. they didn't say but I'm saying that woman saying she had a breathing issue. I guess could be people that are people that are complete astles that won't. Read a funny only exception. Yeah, yeah, I read a funny tweet this week and I said finally some good news scientists discovered a treatment that can reduce covid nineteen transition by seventy percent, and it's just a piece of piece of cloth. You wear in front of your dumb. fucking face masks. Yes, the rescue AD nauseam on here it's just science like mark saying taking it to the Internet Boris Johnson is ready to move on after his bout with corona virus. He says I'm fit. Is a dog now? Do you want to see me? Do suppress ups to show you how fit I am, and then he did press ups. Talked about how Britain is about to bounce back from the way to this become the thing for Pi. It's like a trend sweeping politicians. There's like like you WANNA. Make you want to know if I'm healthy to be your leader? Check these pushups or You know what he's doing, Pat! He's shoving it in America's face. He's like look. You might think I'm a joke, but look at me. Do pushups in my brain and my mouth or working and like joke do twenty four prospects in a row. I've got more going on that either candidate however. In America that's Britain is Britain's got some good vibes going on with the end of Corona. Bars are closing again in Florida and California and probably a lot more places soon so. Get your. Mask free breathing and each other Mouth Beers in while you can, they'll probably be shut down a lot of places. Lots of places now have mandatory mass public, or at least inside almost every business house. Keep washing your hands to protect yourself wearing a mask to protect others like we just talked about because we need. The vaccine is just going to be around until we get it and right, so keep your immune system strong exercise. Good vibes UV rays. All that shit still applies pay attention your local rules because they're going to start changing all the time now with. Locking down, don't get arrested or find. Yeah, because you might with all these new rules and then cross your fingers at sports get delayed too much because he can't play for the PATS. There you go, we'll give a shout out a governor. Greg Abbott has been working his ass off with all the new cases, and he did like reclosed the bars, and he's been doing a lot of work, and he also did things like he instituted mixed drinks to go the first round closures. It was like mixed drinks to go, but they gave you the mini airplane bottles now it's like full on extreme. Rescue? Awesome, but otherwise he's. Working and I would say habits done I, disagree. With, pat on this Abbot is putting it all on the businesses he's sue scared to implement a mask. Thing on his own because he knows you'd lose votes right and so he's putting a lot of it on the businesses. So that's why in Texas you see a slow response. I think he's been working hard think. He should have been working hard at the beginning and he put his head. In my opinion, Pak Pak can't give a gold star when when it's do. I. Think Greg. Abbott one. Greg Abbott is polarizing on how I'm giving. I'm giving a gold star Greg. Greg Abbott out of. Bathroom Star. Are you guys ready third trump date. Monday from? Wu guys trump demonstrated excellent leadership and promoted unity once again when he re tweeted a video of some boomers golf carts, yelling white power. We'll pumping their fists into the air. The atmosphere was made up of Latino immigrants. Videos, we're re tweet. It was deleted by the time that I had heard. Yeah. Yes, here's what it was, and it was a quote. tweet right, so he quote tweeted. This video added. Thank you to the great people of the villages. The villages, some sort of golf cart retirement community in Florida. We've covered them extensive. They Fox walks. The radical left do nothing. Democrats will fall in the fall. Corrupt Joe is shot. See you soon literally. Here's what the video was. A parade of white people in Golf Carts. Being met with a parade of anti-trump protesters, and then one guy being like year. Will what power what power art like clear as the day is long? Okay? Yeah not good, and then he was like. It's an accident to re tweet that which like. You have like fifty people on social media. The video. May may be four seconds. Okay. I was going to say if it was like five now. No. Five minutes, you argue the most important twitter in the world yet come on. You gotTA. Watch that forty five second video brings up the question. Do you not doing I? Don't know I'm sure there were very people on both sides in other fun news guys American intelligence officials have concluded that Russian Military Intelligence Unit. Secretly offered bounties to Taliban. taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan including. Targeting American troops not cool yeah. That's not good. Yeah, there's this has been like this has been verified verified. No one is denying that it's true. This would be the first time. A Russian spy unit was known to orchestrate attacks on Western troops. So this is essentially declaration of worn away the first time it's been I'm sure that this isn't the first time it's happened Yes, so it's not the first time our government knew about it honestly, but probably I. The public is found out. Russia needs to fuck off right like they're rushing bigger. This is not good at all sixteen election. It's verified that they not not that they with trump and his administration, but they were. They were twenty six hundred. That's verified fact, and now's verify that. Tried to pay Basque militants to kill you. Fuck you Russia. The New York. Times, who broke the article American intelligence officials told the president about the findings in March. This is the big Hullabaloo. People are real pissed at trump. Because apparently, he was briefed in March. And offered a number of options reprimanding Russia, but trump chose not to retaliate national intelligence director John Ratcliffe denied that the president had been briefed. On the issue when he tweeted on Saturday, trump tweeted quote. Nobody briefed me, or told me or at VP pants, chief of staff mark beddoes about the so-called attack on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians as reported through an anonymous source by fake. News New York Times. Yeah, when it's denying it and there's been many attacks on us. No one's denies Kaley Kaley right? Nobody's denying that that happened, but but but. This radcliffe guys saying trump wasn't briefed. who was the person that said trump was brief. Well. That's the that's big question, is was he? The anonymous source big question was he briefed or not trump. Also it's A. he said she said you know. It's interesting. Taken to the Internet Lose Cheney. The Republican from Wyoming says if reporting about Russian bounties on US forces is true. The White House must explain one. Why weren't the president or the vice president briefed was the info in the P. DB to who did know and win three. What has been done in response to protect our forces in hold Putin accountable. Quest Right yeah all good question, August. Our guys. Let's take it to talk about predicted. A little bit predicted dot. Org Slash Promo slash actor twenty. If you WANNA gamble on news and politics, you can do it through predicted, and if you go to that unique url predicted, predict it dot, Org Slash Promo Slash, factor twenty and deposit twenty bucks upon your sign up. We will match that twenty. Give you a free twenty. The market I'm liking this week. Guys, which Party will win the US Senate election in Montana in two thousand twenty right now. The Democrats are at fifty six cents with Steve Bullock. WHO's the current governor of Montana and he's taking on the incumbent Steve. at forty five cents his show. What a showdown! It's a major showdown. Obviously a governor for local voters is going to have more name, recognition and governor bullock took ninety five percent of the vote in the Democratic primary were Danes to. Danny's took a eighty eight percent, so I don't know it's close I just doing South Dakota. Montana Montana Tanna trump's stop in there and endorse his boy, did he certainly will he certainly? Yeah. It's huge I. Always think would've governors running. It's tough to beat the governor. Even if you're an incumbent senator, because well, hang on your favorite words. Gubernatorial I love that word. That's your a little bit Bama homer for gubernatorial. When someone says, governor like that's. Yeah bullock also interesting. I wonder if his presidential failed presidential run helps or hurts this race. Matters. I don't know Montana's very elastic state when it comes to going or blue. They might just appreciate. He went for I. Agree It's predicted dot org slash Promo Slash Heart factor twenty guys. That's not how it worked for Rick Perry though. That's true. It doesn't always work that way. Who had Godzilla dust, cloud or something similar to that on their two thousand twenty apocalypse Bingo card. Did you guys know? Except for what was that we needed to start making those like locusts. Cloud would have been close something biblical. Because you knew that the the vermin or whatever murder Hornets had already come, so that was okay, but it is. So that's what happened. Yeah, it's depending on where you are think it's always the kate of there's a bad sucato also heard I heard that this is supposed to be an insanely bad fire year. Worse than even the last couple of years that were already. That's horrible. That's not what we want to hear will not. That's not way. Mark, there was a seven mile fire over the weekend seven Mile Long. That's a big fire. That's that is big, so this is. What this is Godzilla dust, cloud is a dust cloud from the Saharan desert that travels thousands of miles across the Atlantic Ocean trade winds, and ends up splat on the southern us from Texas to Florida, causing poor air, conditions and haziness. And it sure Shit was Austin this week, and as you couldn't see the skyline from a mile away on the highways, and if you just looked, outside was very hazy, also not what you need, poor dusty air quality in Texas and Florida. The two states that are just absolutely exploding with coronavirus right. This is a dust factory. It's dusty windy out here to. Say! Are just wanted to give. Yeah, just just I mean this is like a troll. My opinion, apparently this happens once in a while, but it's not worse. Dust Cloud. The Sahara always like shoots dust out. Hits like Florida like very very frequently. Maybe a couple times a year. Maybe once a year I don't know, but this is the worst the past fifty years I was going to. Watch the. One of the Netflix's planet or things they they cover this dust cloud and. Feeds the? Swamps or something something like that, but they they normally don't call it the Godzillas cloud because it's usually not this fucking big, so it's just one more fuck you from two thousand twenty nothing too serious again I think it's just a major troll from twenty twenty Oh, and if the Godzilla dust cloud that came that traveled five thousand miles to your Ruin your outdoor weekend. This weekend didn't bother you. Maybe this news will radiation sensors in Stockholm detected higher than usual, but still harmless levels of isotopes produced by nuclear fission so. Yes it does probably from somewhere near the Baltic Sea this week, and they said they think it's from a civil. Thing not like a military things. From like a nuclear reactor type thing, but they're not sure three isotopes. Thirty four CS one, thirty seven, and are you. One and three were detected at higher than normal levels. So who knows what it's from? It could be a nuclear reactor like Chernobyl type. Deal doesn't doesn't seem to be that serious yet. Or. Maybe it's literally Godzilla, not just a gut dust cloud named after what emerge from the Baltic Sea this week. He so radioactive. You're super interesting. The way we detected the Russians. Test testing testing whether nuclear bombs was because the Kodak factor in upstate New York started seeing high levels of radiation and their. Film. Which is sooner interesting like that's how we new job Kodak Yeah. Always on top of it, Kodak. That's their slogan. Can't slip. A nuclear test passed. Kodak. Lenses are are too strong all right. Let's move it over to an interesting arrest. Frederick Anthony Turner Thirty Eight and I'm going to call him. Freddy I'm assuming goes by for like that. And Jesse Carolina Walker Twenty, two were both arrested on the evening of June twentieth at Saturday on Dui Charges, deputies said that both crashed their vehicles along glover pond road in Coweta County. Georgia and the circumstances of the arrest are comical, so let's get into what happened. Was Freddie flipped his nineteen ninety nine Forest Green Ford Ranger truck on Ripon road while the Sun was still up I'm not sure exact time, but I saw the body cam the cop who found the truck and the sun. It was about sunset. Got Got. Quite got quite attained to a tilt on there. You get so plastered you flip your truck in broad daylight correct, yes, low to the ground truck to the four Rangers, not a not a high sitting truck. SHITTY truck. He was drinking so many beers in the truck that win the flipped over vehicle like fell over. The scene was just littered with beer cans so like. Fear was driving the truck. Exploded and flipped over, he got more hurt by the bottles and cans him. On actual flipping. Phase Shipman to then I wouldn't be surprised. WHO's probably so limp. For drunk. He took the crash really well when the cops arrived. On the flip truck they start searching the woods near the truck for Freddie. Who climbed out, but it turns out. Freddie wasn't in the woods. He was just down the road. A little bit further crashed again in the ditch on the side of the road in his friends Red Ram fifteen hundred truck. Come on, so call Yup come on. What? So the deputies. Arrived on the scene of that truck that was crashed in the ditch and confirmed that his friend Jesse. was also to drop the draft. She was driving the red truck. and. She to pick them up. She came to get that. They brought. A stock is help me Hey Jesse. Make sure this truck because that will. Slide into the ditch, and they add a cooler beers in the truck with the presume that they had salvaged from the flip truck to just keep the party going inside the new truck. Thought, he was rescued Scott free to drink more beers than another car accident. Yeah, wouldn't you believe it Freddie? He's got frosted tips in the year twenty twenty. That pretty much tells you all you need to know. He's never gonNA. Stop the party, even flip truck. He's just going to pivot and turn that into an attempted booty call. It seems like so unfortunately for the two of them. Though for these antics, they both got DUI's. Last Saturday and then taking it to the Internet local bubba Smith there was supposed from somebody in the local area who was trying to identify the man, and like they were trying to talk him in the community and Bubba Smith Goes. He lives on the road beside the power plant, which like I know something about? Freddie like having a house that looks directly at a powerplant like so surprising snitch. No, no one will ever ensure these people again I hope not. I hope that they'll never have car insurance. That's that's gotta be. Freddie's I would say more than eight th Dui well. Apparently, there's another road around here. Pine something and people are just flying down this road so. Are are upset that they can't take their kids out there on strollers anymore, because there's too many people hotdog in down pine, bluff road or whatever. They're partying on the road like that's. That's their party. Yeah. People were like they were doing. I didn't get is pretty funny through that. Because you don't get me all horned up in need of a release by any means necessary. Which female twitch streamers. Porn that and peacekeeping missions. You're just get so wound up. We'll keep in the piece that you just have to get a prostitute to bang you. Will you and your buddies driving around in your official? United Nations vehicle will then you haven't lived brother? You haven't lived because that's what happened this past weekend. Video shot in the Israeli. Coastal city of Tel Aviv went viral and some of a guy in the back of a United Nations four by four vehicle, getting his junk ground to a nub. By what appears to be assault, True Lady, or very slight man in a red dress with his midriff exposed you can tell the United Nations vehicle because the letters U. N. written all over it. Every panel pretty much, not a good look in eighteen second video, you can also see the. Driver and passenger in the front seat. Well, this guy's getting some some hot hut sex in the backseat and he actually. He can't. He can't keep his peace mission unless he gets his piece in. Thank you car, you're. In the car. The budget is rarely UN workers hot, yeah! Anyway. The action cannot wait till the hotel. He cannot wait. It must happen now. Pull over I want to. I want to say something to this. The action must have been pretty hot because at one of the video, the guy in the passenger seat either goes for five. Hi Five. He reached back there, or he goes for like a be whole digit penetration situation Oh hand gets slapped away because guy saying which turn this mind your. You're next in the sweaty. Donors respect turn. Yeah, those involved guys are believed to be staff members of a peacekeeping organization Israel, still of course of course you. Have you win? All these people off the salt of the earth obviously don't ever get anything wrong. Great Great Great Human Stephanie Dirge Jack The spokesperson for the UN Secretary General Antonio guarantees describe the behavior seen in the eighteen second video as abhorrent. They're not happy about it. Apparently guys as typical yes, as you have. This happens a lot as as sadly more common than you think because there's a lot of people who go and work over in Third World countries. Or Not Third, world this is Israel, but like I mean in certain situations they might be working for these empowered groups that are that are international diplomatic groups, and then they just act like pieces of Shit when they get over the ever been just so horned up on your job that you would put the WHO have two buddies in the car that you're presumably your co workers pull over. I gotta get guys. I got to get this to. You know we've been keeping the peace all day. Yeah, it's like it's like the hard factor crews van and one of us has to have such look. That's aggressive. What is it like? Maybe after like a ten year prison stint I know not by. No by yourself. I mean Charles Barkley. He's talked a little bit about that. If you're by yourself, the move may be appropriate. This is going to be a very stressful peacekeeping mission we must. From the start have clear heads guess this is nothing new for the is apparently in two thousand nine were a hundred and seventy-five allegations of sexual exploitation and abuse against there you go and staff members take to the Internet cone ice of central Arkansas says and just a quick side note here. This is literally a talion ice truck that that services the Central Arkansas area, but they felt the need to chime in with their official business twitter, saying don't try and make us believe this, please. How does the UN logo magically disappear? After the car leaves the intersection? Hashtag Fake News Hashtag bad editing. There was a lot of comments like this guy's. There there's a bunch of UN stands, absolutely not true. They're just. These people didn't glasses. If you go to the last frame of the video. You can still faintly see the UN logo exactly was at the beginning of the video. Defending the UN like more importantly, what what is the social media manager of Kona ice of central Arkansas, doing getting involved in this? Yeah, good point, yeah? They would the UN would never. That's true guys in question, everything at Heather. CAGLAR says this is the UN's only success screwing the oppressed, but on There you go. That's. A literal and Joe I know, and that's can do for hard factor guys. Thanks so much for listening. It's good to be back on the show. Thanks to you! Gentlemen for carrying the weight last week. Apologies that I I You know hopefully you got your refresh on, feel away. Little. We talk you that you're allowed to go on vacations. Just notice. Double and. Pat You come back on a half week. I'm not a big heads up. And, that's something to work on personally like a double vacate. Go I like to show up at Mark's house sometimes. Do we're having our. You hate or schedules? Over volcano. But I'm real good at writing in the counter, but I just look at it i. don't tell anyone. Again radio's not happening this week for us. We might be on the radio and might not. They won't be episodes. Just stick to the Pablo. Be Back next week and which is very cool I mean. We covered the last week four days a week now and Siriusxm Monday through. Thursday that's really exciting at eleven am Eastern. What else we got anything else. We've talked about We're going to do some. We're going to get some education given to us by the. Soon. VIDEOCON. Zimmer. We're doing some Zuma trainings. Are Not up on. We need to learn about Zimmer's talk about our our political grit week. That's given not be politically could be some some. The load drive vote drive. We'll be doing something. In late August around the DNC in the RNC. That's going to be geared around getting people to register to vote so the. UN sized van. We'll see how that goes down for. 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Iron Pipeline: Gun Trafficking Across State Lines 07.28.2020

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Iron Pipeline: Gun Trafficking Across State Lines 07.28.2020

"Radio gag then gains against guns show prepared A. Good evening, everyone and welcome to radio. Gog the weekly gays against Gun show radio, Gaga's your weekly update on how to end the horror. That is the American gun violence epidemic I'm Joshua Jaden. For those of you who are new to the program gag is an inclusive direct action group of lgbtq people and their allies committed to nonviolently breaking the gun industries chain of death that means investors manufacturers, the NRA and the politicians who blocked safer gun laws. We work to ensure the safety for all individuals particularly vulnerable communities such as people of Color Women people who struggled with mental health issues, al-jahbi TQ people, and religious minorities. Gag condemns white supremacy, all instances of excessive force by police and police militarization. This week my friend Tricia Cooke and I will share information about how guns traffic here on the east. coast. Along interstate ninety five on what has been coined the iron pipeline. We're thrilled to have you join US first up. We have the lightest gun violence prevention news, take it away Tricia. At first news stories from WWL NY CBS News, and the Trace. Both New York City Mayor Bill De, Blasio and police commissioner. German, Shea are holding the court system accountable for the recent spate of gun crimes that have affected the city. Shooting victims in New York City are up eighty one percent this year from last including twenty nine shooting incidents. This weekend compared to nine thousand nineteen. Because we're facing a perfect storm and no, one can doubt that all of the combined crisis and trauma together have created an endurance situation where we saw crime uptick and a lot of the normal reality is to address it. We've got to fix that. Now the blessing of said Monday, we also have to restart all the pieces of the criminal justice system to make sure that God forbid someone has committed an act of violence immune to do harm to their community members that we can do something about it. The mayor blames the court system which has been partially shut down during the pandemic. You can adjudicate the case until there's a trial and that determines whether someone should be allowed to be on the streets or not to Blasios said to blasios cited a huge backlog of cases involving violent crimes saying only fifty percents of firearms charges have reached the point of indictment. Police Commissioner Shay says it's made his job much harder. In the last four months I would ask somebody to answer the question. How many people had court case disposed of which resulted in them being sentenced to prison or rikers island Shea said. We have two thousand about twenty one, hundred gun cases in the last two years. So they're still open have them indicted and almost all of them are walking around next to you and me on the street. A spokesperson for the courts conceded the police commissioner's point. Very few of those Charleston gun cases have been sentenced. But he insisted that despite the mayor's patients reopening has to be done carefully to protect people from getting sick. We've been working to re-establish full core operations including jury trials. While New York City's still does not allow indoor dining. The Mayor Blithely asks us to Colin Thousands of people a week citywide for jury duty. Clearly, he has absolutely no understanding of how the criminal justice system works. The next item comes from KFC out of Austin. Texas. With additional reporting by CNN's Noah Broder. More. Than Forty eight hours after a man participating in an Austin protest was fatally shot details about the sequence of events that led to his death and the police investigation into the incident remain murky. Austin Police confirmed that twenty eight year old Garrett. Foster was shot multiple times after a car turning into a group of. Demonstrators at Fourth Street and Congress Avenue at around nine fifty one PM on Saturday July twenty fifth. Police said that foster was carrying an AK forty seven type rifles when the car turned into the roadway and approach the driver's side window at other demonstrators began striking the vehicle gunshots were fired from inside the vehicle at Foster. Austin Police Department reports the driver of that car who turned into the crowd till police that they had fired a handgun at someone who approach their driver's side window and pointed an assault type weapon at them. Demonstrators who were present that night however tell k x a n this driver aggressively accelerated into the crowd of people. Late last night a witness to the shooting sub. The shooter was not defending against violence but was initiating it the driver accused of shooting Europe foster intentionally, and aggressively accelerated their vehicle into a crowd of people before shots rang out James Cecil Naski said, I want to be very clear that the driver inside the violence he accelerated into the crowd of people and he shot I saw ski said. Witnesses have given many accounts including that the disturbance began vehicle started honking its horn abt chief Brian Manley said so it's an ski said, he does not know foster pointed his gun at the driver and he hasn't heard any of the other witnesses saying that about it happened but he said the driver initiated the counter. This was intentional. It was aggressive and he accelerated into a crowd of protesters sosnowska decide. He could have waited for us to pass or he could have just gone by slowly we would've allowed him to go through. There will be an autopsy to determine the official cause and manner of Foster's death. The investigation continues APD police said. The driver accused of shooting foster was brought in by police for questioning and his handgun in car were secured for evidence police said. Another person who fired they're gone at the car was brought in for questioning both had concealed license handgun license and MERV released pending further investigation. APD Association President Kenneth Cassidy tweeted that foster was quote looking for a confrontation and he found it a stance. He stood by on Monday when he spoke to CNN's Chris Cuomo? Maybe. In hindsight, it wasn't the best thing to do but I stand by what I did. I just think that it was the best thing for the community to know at the time Cassidy said Cassidy said, foster had been protesting in front of the city manager's office with a rifle. You look like you're picking a fight when you're outstanding in front of the city manager's intimidating them. Cassidy said. An investigation into the incident is ongoing. Our next story is from the Register Guard in Oregon. The city of Springfield will pay four point, five, five, million dollars and review Springfield polices use of force policy, and it's accountability as a result of a settlement of a civil rights violation lawsuit filed by the family of a woman fatally shot by police during a twenty nineteen traffic stop. The settlement announced by the family's lawyer last week requires the Springfield police departments make needed changes to its use of force policy trains, police officers to use the minimum force necessary to accomplish their lawful objectives and create transparency by requiring public annual report on use of force. The lawsuit alleged civil rights violation of the fourth amendment for excessive use of deadly force and wrongful-death. The kidneys alleged Springfield police didn't give Stacey Kenny and opportunity to respond to commands failed to recognize. Can he suffered from schizophrenia and the officers escalated the situation by breaking can use car windows in an effort to get kinney out of the vehicle. If further alleges police should have known they were dealing with a mentally or emotionally impaired person and also knew or should have known that candy did not present an immediate threat of harm to them or to the public. The. Suit also alleged she louis improperly trained as officers. The primary focus of our lawsuit was not really about the money. So David Park the family's lawyer. It was about the need for significant policy change and culture change within the Springfield Police Department. He said SPG PD had a toxic warrior or US versus them culture with a creek reaction toward use of force. And about nine PM March, Thirty First Twenty nineteen Kenya was driving near Main Street and Springfield when officer Aken started to follow without lights and Kenya pulled over to the side of the road. EAKINS is quoted in the suits as saying that seemed weird to him. So we activated his lights but did not approach can use car. Kenny through a small gray sound making device toward Achim nhs while he stood outside his patrol car and Kenny driveway. Aitken's called for backup and turned on his lights and sirens pull Kenny over a couple blocks away. The suit alleges the Atkins approached canoes car with his gun drawn demanding she put her hands out the window. Kenny rolled down window and yelled, what did I do wrong before sounding an Air Horn rolling the win back up and driving away. Police blocked canoes car in the front and back after she pulled over a third time. The suit alleges at this time Sergeant Lewis, but departments crisis intervention training coordinator approach the car with his gun drawn, and he and Eakins began the smash the car windows without warning Kenny. The suit stays officers tried to pull Kenny from the vehicle at one point by her hair and struck her with their fists several times when she would not leave the car. The settlement is not yet final. The parties have sixty days to conclude the paperwork associated with securing probate court approval of the settlement and incorporating the parties agreed terms into a formal document. Neither this settlements or money or anything else can replace Stacey for the family. They're still grieving stacy's loss the family's lawyer said. It's a tragedy that something that had violent death like this is necessary to motivate change. Each week at this time, we remember and honor person whose life was taken as a result of gun violence. Today, we honor Lamar Jack Gibson. Lamar Richard Jack Someone's born on March seventh two, thousand three till. The Toya Jack and Murray skips him. This fall, he would venture senior year at Vanguard High School where he was a leader both on the basketball court and in the classroom but Lamar was fatally shot two weeks ago in the courtyard outside the East Harlem Housing Project where he lived. Lamar's father Maurice was killed almost ten years ago on the same block as Lamar and his killers were never found. His mother said, you know it feels to look at the same detectives who couldn't figure out who killed your children's father, and now you're putting your son in their hands. One teacher remember some this way. I've taught many students, but there's never been anyone quite like you. How could one person be so many things at once How did you manage to be charming, quick, smart, charismatic, generous kind funny and determines who is both a future engineer and a star basketball player. How does one person had so much to so many people's lives even if they only see your infectious energy in the hallways. Who else has such deep thoughts and so many fart jokes. You always seem to fly through obstacles in your life like they were those defenders on the court you left in the dust. Even though you made it look easy. I. Know How hard you worked. You earned all of the opportunities that were lining up for your future. Unfair. Does not begin to describe what has been taken away from you. For being just seventeen, you're leaving behind a huge legacy having brought so much into the lives of so many. I'm going to try to be as good as you I'm not sure I can get there. You're just too good. I'm so grateful to have known you and to have you as guiding light. I love you. Thank you for all. You've given us. In remembrance of Lamar J. Gibson Seventeen years old. Harlem New York. You're listening to radio GAG, gays against Gun show here on listener sponsored commercial free radio. WBAI. We're here every Tuesday evening at six thirty PM bringing you the latest from the gun. Violence. Prevention Movement. With the recent spate of gun violence this summer, we wanted to take a look at how people are gaining access to guns, our communities specifically those here on the East Coast, as well as the Midwest one such avenue via what has become known as the iron pipeline. The term refers to routes in the US that are used to smuggle weapons from states mostly in the south to the mid Atlantic and New England particularly in those states with stricter laws such as New York and New Jersey. The routes include interstate ninety five in the east and interstate fifty five in the Midwest as well as their respective connector highways. The iron pipeline was actually coined by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and explosives the. As well as politicians law enforcement officials, and or organizations such as mayors against illegal guns, which is a coalition of over five hundred US mayors. Travel along these primary routes allows for the trafficking of guns from states with less restrictive gun control measures to those states with stronger regulations. The interstate trade and guns creates conditions for a national gun market with the implication being that states that have established strict gun control measures may find. These are actually undermine because buyers can secure guns and jurisdictions that have less extensive background checks, fewer licensing requirements, shorter waiting periods, a lack of so-called red flag laws and a whole host of other provisions. The extent to winch guns have traveled from one jurisdiction to another has been the subject of much research and debate. Howard Andrei's of Columbia University testified in two thousand three at a trial that guns from southern states provided the bulk of those recovered during the course of crimes in the state of New York. That's courtesy of the New York Times in two thousand three. And extensive study published by mayors against illegal guns. Using trace data collected by the also found that substantial interstate trading guns was apparent. The purpose of their study was to investigate the link between states, regulations, and the likelihood that those secured in these states would be then used an out of state crimes courtesy of their two thousand eight report. And two, thousand and ten. An additional report concluded that quote in two thousand, nine tonnes dates those being Arizona California. Georgia, Florida Indiana north. Carolina Ohio Pennsylvania Texas in Virginia supplied almost half interstate gun traffic guns trafficked recovered at crime scenes. In May two, thousand, fifteen after it was determined that the gun used a shooting of NYPD officer Brian Moore was actually stolen from a gun store in Perry. Georgia. That led to US senator, Chuck Schumer from New York Colin for a federal crackdown on the iron pipeline. According to WCBS eighty quote, ninety percent of guns recovered New York City at crime scenes were those from out of state according to The New York Times, the pipeline quote one of the biggest factors thwarting New York and its efforts to keep guns off the streets and out of the hands of criminals. On January fifth two thousand and sixteen president. Bronco pomme publicly announced executive. Actions to clarify laws on background checks and to hire additional ATF and FBI agents. President. Obama. Stated that guns cross state lines as easily as cars to if your state has strong gun laws, but the neighboring state does not have strong on. The guns come into your state that's the iron pipeline. Today. 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Andy Dehnart  20 years of Reality Blurred

REALITY OF REALITY

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Andy Dehnart 20 years of Reality Blurred

"Hello Hello. This is reality of reality I'm. Elise arose in a longtime TV producer and development executive every week on the PODCAST, I talked to interesting people in all aspects of unscripted content. Okay, so before I introduced my guess, I just wanted to tell you guys some things that I've been watching that you should check out I. Really was blown away by the documentary athlete a on Net flicks. Have you haven't seen it? It's really hard to watch so warning it's about the disgusting horrible criminal cover up by the USA gymnastics team scandal with Dr Larry Nassar and many other coaches who were sexually abusing athletes, and it goes to the story and you hear from the survivors. Survivors, and even if you know about the story, it's really worth watching. It's really really powerful very very hard to watch, but I think really necessary. I started watching the DOCU series Lenox Hill also flex which I'm really enjoying It is Kinda. Watch because it's intense. It's real life. It's doctors at hospitals, but really well done. I think the characters are really compelling I did a quick binge of search parties season three on HBO. Max which I loved I love that show so much it's. Crazy the second half, and maybe it goes a little off the rails, but I still really enjoyed it. And lastly I have suggestion new podcast that I discovered that I absolutely love Go back and listen to the prior season's. But this season it's called. You must remember this and this season. They are doing a deep dive into the life of polly Platt who was in films, she was production designer went on to be a writer producer, and it's such a good job the podcast if you love kind of the seventies era of Hollywood and film, with Peter, Bogdanovich and Orson Welles and. All kinds of people and just sort of you know that era I think you'll really enjoy it so today on the podcast is Andy Dennard Andy is making his second appearance on the podcast. You can hear our original chat from a few years ago I'll put that link in the show notes today. We're celebrating twenty years of his blog. Reality blurred. We talk. Talk about the shows that have been around since the beginning, and of course, the reboots and some of the recent controversy was shows like live PD vander pump rolls. What new shows Andy's loving right now and how unscripted looks now and how it's going to look going forward. Welcome back to the PODCAST Andy. He's a much great to be back with you virtually. Across the country. YEA, and you're in Florida. Right correct. Yes, it's which is be vastly quickly becoming one giant virus. Even, despite our ninety nine degree heat. The heat isn't making it disappear. Junkin data. Magic hasn't worked yet. That miracle. So the last time, so you and I did an extensive interview about you in reality blurred in your career I feel like it was two thousand sixteen. It was the first year I started. I think so yeah, definitely years although doesn't feel like that since it feels like a few years this past, even in the last couple of months I know it's weird and you were here for the upfront, which obviously did not happen this. Actually ta TA. which is not happening this summer, obviously, just state of California's and having gatherings of more than a certain number people in so. We cancelled it and. Hopefully we'll be back in January like cross fingers, but maybe maybe not until next summer. TCI's here's at the worst case scenario. and Are you bummed. Do you miss it? Do you enjoy it I really do. Think both just because I have a lot of friends who are critics and just just seeing that on one level, that connection is great, but also meeting people like you and other people who create reality TV and being able to have those conversations in person is much. Much more fun than a great part of my job and something that I've really grown to appreciate over the. Past, I think I've been ta eleven years now on, so it's definitely been become a just a part of my year that I look forward to our or two parts. My Year really because January July Well so this summer, though you still have a big milestone as reality blurred twentieth anniversary Mazal Tov. Thank you. Thank your huge accomplishment. Yeah, I have no idea how many twenty years, but just day by day I. Guess What's interesting is that your anniversary coincides with really what's considered the birth of reality with survivor and then everything that followed so you're really right there at the ground floor. Absolutely I, think it's so much of. It was just dumb. Luck just the fact that I both got the reason reality blurred started was I got fired from a job and I think we talked about that on the last podcast. And so I started my own site, and it just happened to be right then and sort of that was also kind of as the Internet came of age and I think. We often forget that you like the Internet. Reality TV of kind of grown up together and become off all together to do so sometimes. They both their charms and They've also both contributed some stuff to our culture that maybe we wouldn't. Have liked to have out here Was Survivor. The show that made you want to start at? although I actually was a big fan of making the band, which was the first broadcast show. Or first broadcast reality show at least in terms of what we thought of as reality TV back then obviously, millionaire had come out the summer before as a game show. So I was really into making the band, and then was like so excited that we then got survivor, and of course big brother It. Also, so yeah, but survivor was hundred percent the show that in and. I have a stop watching since you've been. Through its ups and downs. That's what's amazing. Says survivor has endured. Big Brother has endured, and making the band has re evolved and come back on MTV. Yeah, and it's coming back again. I think on MTV or somewhere right I don't remember whose relaunching it now. It's empty. It's so. Absolutely. Yeah and for survivor and big brother just to keep going year after year after year, especially through all those years of cynicism of like reality, TV's dead. I don't remember that from two thousand one post September eleventh. Everyone's like we're done with this. We're done with irony. We're done with me. Yeah, so nar coin. Blown. That's what's interesting because we're in a moment now with the virus, where obviously there's a lot of talk about the same stuff and not just the virus with black lives matter the protests Ching and Feeling like we're in the seismic shift and a lot of reality. TV reflecting that or not yet, but perhaps about to reflect that well. Actually. I shouldn't say not yet because right. There's a lot of stuff that's happened which we should talk about in terms of. Entertainment being a reflection of that are being casualty of that. However, you want to look at it. That, it's hard to say right now in this moment what it will look like in six months or a year just like with nine eleven and that way where things are rapidly happening now so. Let's get into that a little bit. There's some really interesting things that have happened in our industry. A unease joggers hit live. PD now canceled looks like. Indefinitely are definitely. It's hard to tell what was your reaction and cops of course being pulled after a million years. So, what was your reaction to? Both those things? Yeah I mean I was definitely surprised that any pulled live. PD, just because it was their number, one show and know it's I think it's a little easier, maybe more cynical to say. I could understand. How paramount pulled cops because. You know it was a half an hour a week and also who even knows where paramount is on the leader? Guide, yeah, so I think they basically. So that that definitely run its course. Obviously hanging out a little bit so I. Think Easier to cancel than my PD. I I guess I'm like. Nine hundred this kind of story of this summer is. A lot of it is sort of like what took us so long to get to this point like we'll get into the bachelor, but like what took the bachelor so long like what took so long to realize that this was a hugely problematic show, and just like looking at the contracts, like I published the live PD contracts with the production company and the police. Organizations and just like it's such an imbalanced relationship and gives police departments so much editorial control, and that just seems like that should have been a red flag from the start, and of course like. There's no reason sit down and think about ethical things when there's money to be made, and things are coming in so I get that so I'm pleasantly surprised. But I also wouldn't be surprised to PD sort of slide in the back doors reimagined show in a few months or A year or two? Yeah, other people said that as well so let's talk about that a little bit. You kind of broke that with the sharing of that contract who brought that to you? And what are some of the highlights from the contract that you can share? Yeah, absolutely so. Actually I want to give full credit to journalists in Texas and other places. Who'd actually found guy requested the contracts be A. Public records request because those are with. Like obviously it's with a public agency and what? What surprised me was I didn't even realize those contracts have available on one story was just like a local news channel. Dade sort of said, here's the contract. Link to PDF and no one had analyzed it and no one thought about it, so I was like. This is a chance to kind of pull it apart and look at it in sort of think about what really happens says. He has some of the things that stood out to me. were number one that the contract. It's kind of makes an argument that the show is part of the outreach efforts, and that's in quotes outreach effort of law enforcement, so it's basically positioning the show as marketing. Police departments, it also talks about the fact that there will be the appearance of no editing. Even though there will be some editing, and it also made clear something like pd didn't ever talk about. And I was, it's delay which turned out to be between ten and twenty five minutes. And that's because police organizations had a representative in the control room. Who is able to censor content live and I can certainly see the need for some of that in terms of protecting people. But they also had the ability to edit and control footage that had been further pre-tape segments, and also even the officers who had. Cameras with them. We're allowed to tell the cameras to stop taping at any time. So that just gives an incredible amount of power. Dare I show that kept arguing that it was just transparent and took no sides it really did take aside and encourage people just look at those contracts, and you might actually be pretty standard kind of agreements and I got that one thing that really stood out to me. I think the most was. that it was talking about like that. What's most important is the safety of. The officers and the film crews, but that's sort of leaves out a whole piece of the equation, which are the people were being filmed, and having their lives turned into an entertainment without their consent, and I think that for me was really problematic, because you know whether it's A. Totally innocuous traffic stop or something much worse. I. Have I not to be problematic when you're basically profiting off of people's pain, nevermind perpetuating racial stereotypes, so one of the police departments that they follow was the Austin Police Department and one of the main reasons. I think that the show got pulled was because of a major scandal with the Austin Police Department, where the they were basically as far as I, can tell witness to a murder and the tape Scott. Destroy which they said was kind of pro forma, and what can you? What can you tell us about what you've learned about the incident? And then any culpability from the network or the productions company is? It's really hard to tell from everything I've read. That's there's some great reporting from the Austin. Statesman and they were the the publication that broke out story. And basically they owned a forty year old. Black Man who? was saying repeatedly. I can't breathe. and He fell unconscious and died as the camera operators were there multiple vehicles in this came after a traffic stop of some kind, and that was never aired on the show, and they destroyed the footage. This came too late because. In Austin basically what happened was. The DA was investigating and looking into. This incident and requested things from the production, and the production wasn't cooperating. And what's? Not where the first story came out and Dan, Abrahams production, and maybe need to some degree. Have said since then. They were never asked for this footage, and they just deleted it as part of their normal course of action, but Even, if that was your procedure like, how do you film the death of a human being and not? Bring that up on your show. That's about transparency in policing even if you don't show it even if you don't use most of the footage like how do you know how that even like just just brings the editorial judgment I. Think into a lot of question for me. And Yacht so. I'm not sure like it's becoming like day, said they said kind of back, and forth between the DA the production company, and all that, but the fact is, and it turns out to you I think as part of this states that filmed other murders or deaths of people in these similar situations, and it's like what what is happening with the show really like that's that's pretty horrific. And stood to the not ever include that or even discuss it on. The show seems also her me. Yeah I feel like this story is not over, and we are going to be hearing a lot more. I'm sure there's an investigation underway and I assume that's all happening. Absolutely yeah, and I know you know. Do I think it's? The some people cut ties with the production company, just as a result of this, and I think that's that's interesting to me only because. I don't know if that's sort of a performance thing or if that's recognition like we don't trust their ability to handle this kind of show and. I often like one thing I've learned in twenty years of doing this work now is how often I think. Networks throw producers under the bus. Like, and producers end up taking it because they need jobs in the future and I've known about some of these things that I have heard off the record, and it's surprising to me and so I. I don't want to like I wasn't in those rooms I don't know exactly, but I just think that that's one of the things. This industry needs to reckon with a little bit. Is that relationship in why network executives are asking for? And then what production companies are delivering and like how honest we are about that relationship, and how it's affecting then product. I think that's a great point and I would have liked to know the reason for why Viacom cut ties, and if I think that that would have helped, put it in perspective instead of us believe. Fill in the blanks breath. It's not going to see you did mention the bachelor and I know that you have been a bachelor fan for I guess. How long has it been seventeen years I think it was two thousand two hundred. Exactly hazing, so they finally figured out that there could be a black bachelor took them a while Years and years. Of asking. Ab St President after ABC president is now going to is going to happen. When and We were told like well. We need to sort of because the cast sort of comes from the previous cast we need to diversifier casts I diversify their casts, and last year had agreed candidates, and then they went with the white guy again. Surprise so finally we now have someone who's kind of a little bit from outside of the franchise known to the show, but he hasn't actually been on one of the season's yet because he was going to be on clears Bachelorette in the spring, which of course hasn't yet filmed? So, do you think that they're going to? Watch. The Rachel Season of the Bachelorette, but did they make race a part of it like? Did they talk about it? Yeah I think they made race of part of it in the worst possible way, which was they they cast a racist who had a bunch of race races, social media posts, and then they turned it into an onscreen conflict with another person, and then basically made Rachel choose between them in order to like. Let this play out as a story line and. Just I say this as a as a middle aged white man I don't trust a bunch of white producers to produce that story line in any meaningful or you. That's just that shouldn't have happened I think you just brought up a really good point I'm not sure if you heard my podcast from last week with the black producers and unscripted. So we talked about that and how important it is to have. Black producers and black women and men in leadership crafting these stories because. It matters. And I think that it'll be interesting to see. Whether or not this season of the bachelor changes their crew as well or diversifies their crib, because I think you're right. I think that's so key and how the story is presented and crafted and found. Yeah, and it's anything that's just has to happen, and it seems like the bachelor like Casting Bachelors One. Thing is that the bachelor producers ABC have issued a statement in which they said they are committed to doing that. That's hopeful, and maybe they will actually deliver on that, but I think we've seen so many examples of that even before this kind of reckoning with America's racism. Systemic racism in our industry and elsewhere. Just last year on survivor, we had two incidents one year ago in the spring with a black contestant, talking about how white people were using racial slurs from day one just in casual context and I was just allowed, but it's like all the producers on the beach are or most of them are white so and then in in the fall we had basically sexual harassment and unwanted touching that producers didn't stop repeatedly, but again we have a mostly male. Crew on the ground there and and I'm not saying they're like men can't be alert to sexual harassment or and and do something about it, but it just seems like with no one who really understands what's happening or hasn't. Had It happen to them before it's much harder to like understand why they should interview or do something or creed rules that this shouldn't be allowed one hundred percent. I just read. This article came up. I was researching something. Something else from Lynda obst, who's a big Hollywood producer? It came out in two thousand seventeen when the me, too movement exploded with Harvey Weinstein and she was saying that when she and this kind of cadre of female producers started a have some power in Hollywood and started to be producing on sets. The actresses would be so relieved that she said they couldn't believe how different the pitch meetings were. How different the set was and how much! Differently? They felt how safer they fell. In the environment with women from the beginning to the end, and it just was so profound to me that. You know we could talk about larger leadership of the country and the fact that we still haven't had a female president but that. There really is a difference when people of Color and women and not straight white men are empower I mean I think that that's clearer than ever. And I just hope that we continue to shift in all of those ways, and especially in unscripted because I think we just tell better stories and more nuanced stories that way absolutely and I mean that's why I fell in love with reality in the first place was its ability to tell people a story who are on Mike and help me understand what it was like to not be. Not Have the same experience that I did and so I think we need to represent those experiences, not just onscreen bar. Behind the behind the cameras well, let me ask you question in this vein, so they're housewives is so bravo was reckoning with. This is well I. Think you know they fired a few of the vendor pump roles girls for racist incidents that happened a few years ago with one of the black cast members, but I'm interested in what the network and the production company's responsibility is when it comes to somebody like a Kelly does. She's this housewife from Orange County. WHO said some crazy stuff on social media about you know thinning the herd in this is? Kind of population control, and just get over it and people should be allowed to go. She's been flying all over the country. She's out there. And she also happens to be a really good housewife because she's out there and crazy, so you know should. They fired because there's a lot of calls to fire her. Should that works fire someone for saying crazy shit on social media. I mean I think. It's both complicated and not. Just want to say yes, like if you're saying awful, racist, homophobic sexist things misogynistic things. Yes, like why? We don't need you around, and you should go away. And also these are ultimately business relationships in like I think part of that is like does Bravo wants to be in business with and profiting from and selling somebody who thinks does this like? A question I can't answer for Bravo, but I hope that People Bravo would. Just. Be like who wants representing us. You know like and I think there's also a difference between somebody who maybe five or ten years ago, wrote some stuff on social media, and has since proven that is not who they are and has done the work to show that they've grown and changed like I know. I've certainly had moments in my past made decisions as a writer. Even that I regret and wish that I could undo and I've worked since then to make sure I don't repeat those mistakes. And you know like. And I just think that. Like. I haven't been using racial slurs everywhere either so I. Don't know if it's a one to one comparison year but I. Just think that like I think we need east some kind of. Guidelines and I think that's part of one of the interesting things just thinking about reality. TV like twenty years. There's never been an industry wide standards. There's never been a sort of like agreement about how retreat cast members, or like what this sort of ethics are like, even if you have an ethical framework like journalists, we have unethical framework. A lot of journalists can interpret that in very different ways you can have spirited conversations, but we have nothing reality TV and I think. Maybe it's time to sort of figure out what we think is okay, and what isn't both as networks, and as critics and journalists, and also just fans of like I, think we both are. Yeah you bring up a good point because I've been thinking a lot about this lately, ironically, because of top. So this season of top chef if you've been watching. Spoilers ahead yeah, so that's why I. Bring it up. Because it was such a great season, it was an all-star sees all-star season. Just top of the top of their game shafts who have all are just astounding? Just chefs, but people, the most of them just are these wonderful people who are not interested in conflict. They're interested in cooking and winning and Camaraderie there was no conflict the season that I can you know little things here and there? That were completely based in what was happening not in anything, not appropriate to the drama. And it was a wonderful enjoyable season and I thought. Wow, here's a show that celebrates artistry. That celebrates these really solid people working at the top of their game. That doesn't have to go. To create drama to create ratings and I think it was a pretty well rated season as well. I don't know critically at least. So it made me think about just the camera is. Can. We succeed as Gina Without doing that. Yeah I think I think so, and I think it's just a matter of committing to it and also. One of I. Don't remember who your guests last week. Who is talking about just like maybe viewers? Whatever that I think that's executives often say like well. That's what our viewers one spilling it, they probably also they would go to a coliseum and watch. Lions tear people apart. That doesn't mean we need to to serve up at like. Loni great show like. A show like the great British baking show or bake off depending on what country we're in. Like is so charming and wonderful, and has plenty of drama without having to sort of like created in Franken biting and Pitting people against each other, and that's not to say there's not a place for. Conflict and human people beings have. been bought heads and there's relationship stuff that happens but yeah. Top which is so wonderful and and there was like. There's definitely conflict, but it was like internal fighting against food or the time or just their own expectations, and that's wonderful to watch also. It really is a a slippery slope or a thin line. Whatever you WANNA say, because I'm thinking about my own viewing habits and the truth is is when I watch. Housewives do conflict, and I'm bored when there isn't conflict I go do it for the train wreck, and I don't love the over the top. I think we've all Kinda of soured on the really crazy stuff, 'cause. It's almost too much. But I think we do enjoy watching of dumb drama. Totally which I don't watching. New York by the way. I think. For me! It's tipped over Oh. Yeah, you you. Like think this season tipped for me into. From just that kind of dumb drama into total drunken craziness, and it's not enjoyable anymore for me because I don't need to see some one going blackout drunk crazy every night like sure Lou and falls into the bushes, once bike charming. Yes very charming. But but then like and we can have, we can have moments, but when it's not nonstop and people just performing for the cameras and to keep their jobs like that's no longer interesting to me. I think you're in the majority there from all of my little facebook groups that seems to be the consensus. People are just like okay. This has gone too far. I actually met her by it, but you know maybe I'm the one who wants to be in the coliseum so. On, you are such a consumer of all things unscripted, and you've been watching. A lot of these self shot shows from quarantine, so talk about your experience watching. Give us some examples of the shows the watched and how you've experienced them. Yeah I. Mean especially just thinking of the ones that have been shot in film since March I think American idol just to a spectacular job of adapting to having to do its live shows remotely and I'm not the biggest, American idol fan to begin with, but I think it really helped them to be in people's houses and living room, because it showed that these kids and young adults who have just become musicians from their living rooms quite literally so I think they just did a really excellent job, and just making that production strong I really enjoyed. IMMI Shurmur learn to cook, which I, thought was just kind of charming and quiet and. You know. Obviously, she's a performer and And I think she's in a relationship. It's obviously her husband, so they have like dynamic relationship to begin with, but it just it was a really fun show. I didn't end up reading about eight, but I was just enjoying watching it And trending of some of the other shows that I. Watched and reviewed this week, a brand new show that started tournament of laughs, which is basically taking comedians, their houses, and putting them into a bracketed competition which I think is kind of what I. Didn't expect a competition to come out of that, but it's Kinda what I expected. Sort of quarantine reality TV to look like which was just a lot of sort of varying quality, and it ends up working in that show, because it's a competition and people can vote for which comedians they like and don't like but I think I. I often chewed into unscripted to see high production values, so you know when it's just like a celebrity with like a cell phone in their face, and they're not even bothering to clean up their cameras, so it's like all blurry like or maybe smeared vaseline all over it I. Don't know in order to give out like fact, It's maybe less interesting to me. and I'm kind of look forward to the days where we can go back to your some just beautifully shot epic shows, and and clearly there's there's also lot of those coming out right now. once film before then so it feels like we haven't quite gotten to that point. Where like we've run out of context. And maybe we won't. Little be interesting to see kind of ones for out of this. How the networks if the network shift because there was an article that came out about a month ago that discovery? was saying. Wow, this has been great for our bottom line. You know all these shows are so much cheaper to produce, so maybe we'll rethink how we do some of this, and of course that scare the crap out of all the producers it's like budgets are so tight already, and if we think about even chopping them. Shooting stuff on an iphone we we. Become relevant. Yeah I think I hope that's not the case I hope it's not just lighting like. I hope networks, and everyone else recognizes the the talent that goes into producing and that you need to that, but I think it's also maybe a good opportunity to revisit. What do we need like just? Do we need X. Y. and Z.? Your can this. Are some things unnecessary. To like. Certain kinds of shows might be able to be produced in different ways. I hope we don't move to a world of just that because I don't want to watch youtube all the time I stay off of Youtube. In part because I don't want to be accidentally brainwashed into joining coulter like falling into some information hall. Also just like you. Those are great mediums for like Tiktok and white people are creating, but like bats. That's bad I. Think we need professional entertainment also has a role so I. Hope we who stick with that. But I just wonder if anyone under twenty five feels the way you and I do about. I mean seriously. Yeah, it's a good question. I mean if you look at from this year of the shows, sort of took off even on, Netflix like the circle and love is blind. Those are not shows. You could do on an iphone like and so I think yeah. Maybe there's maybe some kind of shows we'll have to fall away, but like they're certainly stuff that you. Can't do that and. That's. Young gets younger and younger in terms of the audience. Absolutely and so yeah, I think I think there's a Maybe there's an opportunity to kind of like play into what audiences is looking for a level, but like I also think that they want to watch well, show just as much as the rest of us are. At least that's my hope for the. For the. I. Don't want to know what I'm supposed to call them as young young people. They're calling this Zimmer's. Generation Gotcha yeah. I feel like millennials. Like thirty. Right millennials are now old plenty. Exactly. His passe now. Zuma's and I think I fall between like genetics and millennials, so I feel part of none of those so i. just don't even know how to like. It's hard for me to even categorize other people. So you've been doing this. For twenty years, and it's interesting like we said at the beginning kind of seeing what's old is new again. What's new is old again. What's changed for you as you kind of take a step back and look at the landscape of the last twenty years. How do you think the genre has evolved or not evolved and and kind of like how you've covered it? What are the major differences been in? How from Wayne you started till now? Yeah. I think it's been fascinating to watch the. Long Arc like we were at some point. Maybe halfway the halfway point the duck dynasty era I. Think like spiraling down this totally scripted path, and that terrified me as someone who fell in love with authencity and watching real people on the real world. So I also grateful. The dot kind of went away and there is you know there's been these interesting kind of transit sort of pop up like this sort of hyper transparency where there's like breaking the fourth wall all the time. We camera crews. I think that also right I feel like. I know you're not a fan. Like as long as if it's real sure, but like we've it's kind of. Like almost like you can tell that the camera operator knows they're being filmed like that's. As far as I'm concerned sorry to interrupt, but did you. La. I used to have given up in the last few years yeah okay. Last night. I was curious on your take. It was a breaking well, and I was conflicted about how I felt about to interest to go back and watch. Those I, think eventually they drove me nuts or at least house members. I won't mention any names Josh Allen. Lots of Josh's. You were yes so Anything for what's interesting for me to in I, know this connects into your background ray like the beginning when reality TV of suddenly exploded, what networks and production companies needed and went to where people in news and documentary and started pulling stood. There is like this tradition of like reporting and following real people in real action, and like even if you're turning. Into Entertainment. But then. Dad Sort of just a need for more content eventually became like well. If you were appear on this show now you're segment producing like suddenly. We have people who were show running. WHO STARTED IN REALITY TV? It's sort of interesting. We kind of develop its own group of professionals anything in many ways that's been really awesome, and also like we talked about before a lot of people come up with in industry with no real standards in the same way of so. That's just been interesting and then for me. I think as a writer. I certainly started as a fan and just kind of commenting about what I'm seeing on TV. I think there's there's a lot of value as a critic for me just to evaluate what I'm seeing onscreen, because that's what every Wednesday is in like what messages and sending like what what's happening to these characters. What's what's the quality of this piece of art that is onscreen but then just as a person. I'm fascinated to learn what happens I'm the scenes and I WANNA know how it came together, and I want to know who made those decisions, and I want to I just I. Crave that kind of information, so that's been fun for me as a journalist Ted, learn more about that and meet people who actually produce reality from all levels from. From camera operators all the way up to network executives and just get insight into that and learn more, and I think if you probably go back to reality blurred in the early days I'm sure there was a period of time when I just kind of like talk about producers in this like Broadway and kind of blame them for everything, and I think I have a much better understanding now of like how many layers of people there are who are responsible for creating listening, and that's awesome and amazing to me on some level just like I. Don't know how any television gets made with all the people that have a hand in it. It's incredible. What do you think about? I guess mostly the last five to six years. About. This boom of premium what we call premium documentary series that in the way that the Germans expanded into that of you've been a fan of that type of programming. Yeah, definitely, I think there's some degree to which I'm just laughing at labeling reality. TV documentary series because it's like this is just a reality show like like this. I guess they don't people don't WanNA use that label, so we've used other ones or like even calling OJ made in America. which was a brilliant series calling that a film like? Domes aren't nine hours long and over multiple nights on television. That's a TV show and let's let's call a TV show. So. Yeah I love. Eileen like -ality show. I. I think that's probably more close to a documentary show for sure, but if you're following people in their environment I, mean that's less documentary series and more reality show back to the early nineties real world that was a documentary essentially like there's some artificiality bellyache pretty pretty documentary didn't. Think. To read like bizarre doesn't really have labels that anyone really likes. Orders were. There's no standardization, so I'm all for quality and like me, not for sort of performance quality like. There's some shows that are using drones shots that I know nutro shots in them and like. Aki Series has a Jones sh mandible joan shuts. Okay got you congratulations. You've gotTA drone. Like. Why do I need to be looking at the rooftops? Like let's move on. Very overused, I agree. All right so as we're wrapping up. Tell us what you're loving these days. What he watching you always have a new show that you're excited about so tell us what we should be watching. I mean in the middle of summer. The show that I'm I can't get enough of right now. We're recording this on the Thursday. So it's tonight is holy moly on, ABC just you know. I cannot get enough of people bouncing off things into water. Like the original wipeout, and they've added a lot more about this season, but it's also a genuine competition like there's real golfing and. People who are serious about the sports and some great commentary. That's both comical, but also just really great raw reactions from Jota store in. Robbery it also just absolutely perfect summertime show. I'm so glad they were able to finish completing production on that before. All this went down. I really other things that I've loved like. True TV head a little small show that I'm not sure exactly broken out by called. TURDY works I. Don't know if you've seen that. I've seen the description and I am all out on that. At is not for me. It's like I. Think maybe part of it is that I was missing Shits Creek but it sort of feels like it. Just this wonderful small town of charming characters all working together, and yes, it happens to be about a person who makes trinkets out of towards but it's just like a charming show over all in just. Just really enjoyed enjoyed seeing that trying to think of what else is I mean top. Floor is lava. Extended about yeah, I really I I really loved it. I do not like the narration thought that was a little overwrought I wasn't started watching it on mute, but I think it was just again a lot of fun in that same way of watching, people fall into things and such a brilliant decision. In editing to you when people fall into the lava. Just cut away like they don't really cut away, but it's gone as such the US who don't see the person like swim out of. Sort of looks like they just fallen, and then they're gone. And it's like it's a wonderful choice. imposed to make kind of looks like this lava is considering people. So I'm curious about it just because it sounds wacky. Totally and I read an interview with one of the producers. WHO said the? Lava like the consistency of like orange sauce from Panda Express, so which makes me wonder like how sticky it is like, or what's The you know? Just it looks it looks amazing and fun. and I think for me. Summertime shows always Fun and I'm looking for some levity in. There for? missing top chef and like competition reality because we don't have a lot of that right now. One show that just started on Netflix ugly delicious. Or sorry, not ugly. There's so many delicious majors. On my ex. Crazy delicious which came from the UK and has Carla Hall who I just absolutely love from every single thing that she's ever on eighty. She's literally able to Food God in the show, and I'm like yes. And love her and so much like it's got the tone of the great British bake off, but it's like one off episodes, so it's. Version of that. See I think. I saw that and I thought it was the name and I thought it was the David Chang show exactly yeah. I was kind of lukewarm on so I just. and. All Day because I was like crazy. How this is going to be another Neil? Yeah, but it's like the craziness is in two way. They present food not in the show itself. It's very almost sedate comparison. Cool so any tell everybody where they can find you on the socials? Yeah, so my website is reality blurred dot COM and there's links there and stuff to my newsletter, which is sent out every week, and that's a good way to keep track of me and I'm also a reality blurred on twitter. where I can often comment in real time, and you can see my real time joy, and or outrage about, and whatever happens, you're watching. That you. yeah, that's neat. Desert I'm not on the instagram because I'm or the TIKTOK. It's allowed to. Go there it's too much well. I've really enjoyed talking to you again after so long and hope we can do this again and your twenty fifth anniversary. Semester appreciative. Thank you.

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1169: "Hockeystick Hoax"

"Second oldest scooters up into the air and throwing scooters all over the place. It's scooter NATO Adam Curry John C. Four thousand nine Hundred Award Winning Nation Media Assassination Episode Eleven Saas this is no agenda experiencing the unexpected and tasting live from opportunities thirty three on the frontier of Austin Texas Capitol Dome Star State in the morning everybody I'm curry from northern Silicon Valley words so beautiful day in the neighborhood. I'm still not going to see the movie. I'm John Scales it Sunday. He's not inspired fire. That's great and there goes two three four five six seven eight nine ten ten cars or snow there you go thank you for that report. Welcome piss all right just in time so we both got an experienced upgrade with our skype type. I just wanted to say one thing that I don't understand I after that huge upgrade on just before the last show yeah the giant windows upgrade now when I click on if I open outlook which I use for email any link that I click on it does not open the browser does not open this link. I get a dialog box that says something unexpected rent went wrong with this will give me the euro and says the file or directory is corrupted and unreadable. What the Hell is that? I the idea I got. I've got one to get mine is I looked up to this started happening after that big upgrade. You're talking data so I go so here's what I do. I I've got one of my printer. I got Photoshop or fan view whatever it is I go to imprint and immediately prompts me to save defile instead of printing and it's not like a pdf printer that selected or something well I. I thought it was something sketchy. just need a reboot. 'cause it's been happening. You gotta you gotTa shut it down. Shake it and then rebooted and see what what happened like an extra sketch rebooted didn't change anything as well. Let me try photoshop. I went to photoshop same thing hit. The print button goes it says saved saved defile okay well. This is no good you're saving your prints pool. No doubt or something and then I looked it up. Okay check check. This has been happening a lot of people but it's happened before is this note was on twenty twelve trying to document and the printer props to save the file instead of printing goes on could somebody help and there's no help is bullcrap. There's no help as usual in all these online when it comes to Windows. There's no hell I just I just recommend a court. We always recommend here on the show. Just jiggle the handle a little bit. I said well. This is probably one of the solutions was this reinstalled a printer drivers. God No no no no no a lot you print a lot of stuff Chad excellent. I wanted to make sure this was phenomenon. That was just something to do with the printer on ice. I rebooted it so I went to the browser and I saw let me just print a browser rouser page or let me take document that I was gonNA print in her fan view and just grab it wrote under the browser where it's now principal okay okay hit the print button on the browser printed fine great zero took Bego Fletcher Yeah exactly it sucks anyway so much for our tech news this morning very happy to bring that to the ball well. That's right well. We had a another shooting in Texas yesterday mass shooting and but happened. I don't even I never saw this news news. I was watching the football yeah well. It was big here of course well. What the report that came out? I was to shooters one in Odessa. One in Midland Linda Midland is right to the west of Texas in Odessa is down the road further to the West Texas or they the first reports were thirty shot to different shooters to different cities of course you know this was not what it turned out to be and I tuned into what station was this. It was the Odessa television station. We know that one per now these guys are in the mall where there was no shooting but there in in the mall you know it's one of those setups where you have offices and etc radio stations used to have the biggest this TV station people can look through the window and see the TV studio. We know that one person has been taken into custody. That's all we know. We don't know about a person that may have also been involved. There are multiple scenes around town a lot of people sending videos of the officers here and there. We're just seeing people oh we're running through the most over here. We're not sure what's going on at the mall. We'd probably need to and we can see this. We probably need to get off the air. Let's go what's happened. Here is off the air. Yeah people started running pass their window so they would panic off the air we're going to have to there's something people run into them. All we're not sure why with this yeah panic everywhere now five people did get killed and we don't know very much about it other than or at least as of this morning it was one guy who's pulled over on the road between Midland autodata traffic stop. He gets out shoots the COP right away and then drive to desk just shooting people on the highway and I don't know what what weapon he was using zing seemed like if you're driving and shooting a handgun might be easier but he he killed five people and wounded at least twenty others there's while driving apparently and then he stole a mail truck and that's where they ultimately got him and they got him in the mail truck and they shot him dead so we may never know exactly what was going on but thank goodness beto a rourke right away went out to politicize everything so and of course always about politics yeah I mean it's not about these families. These people the people affected no right away we gotta go to politics and then you do it with a sincere face beto and then you know what when you're on CNN throw in some of your curse words he's been really good at that. Lately seems to be gaining traction the rhetoric that we've used the thoughts and prayers that you just referred referred to get this done nothing to stop the epidemic of gun violence to protect our kids are fan is GonNa stop so people are now bitching and moaning. They've been doing this for a while l. about an it's mainly Democrat twitter regaling at Republican twitter and it goes something like this. Oh what are your thoughts. That's impressed now. There are bitching about this thoughts and prayers the very same people when a celebrity dies will say rip love and light you know it's it's kind of stupid the epidemic of gun violence and protect our kids our families our fellow Americans in public places at a Walmart now Paso where twenty two were killed in Sutherland Springs in a church one or two day all of this country a hundred killed daily daily in the United States of America were averaging about three hundred mass shootings a year it mass shootings determined as what is it three or more people hit by gunfire in one incident I think of the various very low standard no other country uh-huh close so yes. This is fucked up. Call it out for what it is out here. Oh Yeah Beddoe don't care man who just say whatever he needs to see. Just tell you Alabama I I would send in a complaint to the FCC. This is fucked up close so yes. This is fucked up and if we don't call it out for what it is if we're not able able to speak clearly if we're not able to act decisively than we will continue to have this kind of bloodshed in America in cannot accept that and so we're gonNa Sleep L. defiantly as strongly as we can but we're also going to take action universal background checks so I thought it'd be good I so for the show yes. This is fucked up but he got better. Maybe I don't have any. I didn't find any ISOS Iceland anything. I don't like it okay. It's been one if I give you ten reasons by give you two good ones will rourke stop. One one reason is enough. What is the to do? I don't like the word I don't like the term. No the second one is it makes it sound like we're commentary on the show. I'm sure would say the same thing about our show. He did the shooter would but he went on to say that he loved to be the guy saying that at the end of our show okay so I just stayed on because he was of course this is not far from El Paso El Paso is just a little bit more West from Odessa and I'd followed followed him around and just thrown out a mean fest of ideas listen more than I worry about the politics or the polling more than I care about what the NRA has to say on this. I care for for my kids and this country and people who live in terror. Everyday people people know Paso Mexican Americans say I feel like I have a target on my back. I'm afraid to go out in public kids. who think about going to school tomorrow? Having gone through through active shooter drills already know which bookcase they're going to pull down which window they're gonNA jump out of this is not right and we should not accept it and we should be honest with ourselves. Universal background checks will help ending the sales of weapons of war will help weapons of war. This is Joe Nukes. What if millions of them remain on the streets they will still be instruments of terror instruments of terror weapons of war instruments of terror? He should've said tools of terror that terrify in terrorize arise US terrified terrorize instruments of terror take our wives were but what about not going to accept that but what about the kind of real world. Why is he not going to use it would not accept it? What is it got to do what EGO MANIAC ALPA was? His town got shot up a couple of weeks ago. I Hi Sean but M M M well. It's better he's old dynamics in USA Today. They aditorial board is putting in there that if you go too far that it'll kill the whole all thing this this this is about the gun buyback that he wants to do a mandatory gun buyback and which of course is the definition of infringing a- and creating a law about the right to bear on editorial board is putting in there that if you go too far that it'll kill the whole thing this triangulation and calculation poll testing every move. That's what got us here in the first place I listened to those students from Parkland Florida March for our lives. It came out with a bold plan for peace that talks about many of the measures. I just described a national gun registry licensing for every American if firearm use that gun for self protection to hunt to collect to shoot at target practice but you don't need an Ar fifteen. AK47's you got a question. I I keep hearing a fifteen. We all know what that is. It's it's a semi automatic rifle. That looks very scary. The AK forty not necessarily surly nine. Yeah I WANNA focus on AK forty seven. This is thrown about very easily. I don't believe these are actual fully automatic. AK47's forty-sevens floating around in the country. Am I wrong about this is there is I don't know of anyone who has a fully automatic. AK47 but I don't know anyone who president or a fifteen that's either no but I'm just saying that when you say AK forty seven that is the classic Classic Kalashnikov. It's a very simple gun in it does single shot or automatic and they just throw that out next to a are fifteen I it's is there a market in the US. I don't I never got the implication that it was a machine gun so my question is is is there a separate line of AK forty sevens that are single shot only and I don't believe that exists at I think N- K. forty-seven is an AK47 which can be used fully automatic anyway that I have no idea someone get best but we don't believe that to be true. True Heaven Hugely who that is a weapon of war designed to kill people as efficiently as effectively in as great a number as possible that high impact high-velocity around it distributes its entire kinetic energy in your body and destroys your insights. We talked to the surgeons who treated the victims is in El Paso. Many of them had been on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan. They said these or wounds of war many likes the liberation doesn't he weapons of war tools of terrorism arisen wounds of war now. This is all horrible of desperate tonight's horrible of course but I but I just WanNa say something to people who listen to our show to to get kind of highlights and not be drowning under the DREK that is shoveled on top of you by the mainstream while horrible and while crap and a super for day recor. There's probably five other people that died in these two towns in on the same day from other for other reasons and then what happens is if and I pulled up the statistics nineteen ninety to two thousand seventeen of violent crime in the United States states and I know this is an argument that's used all the time but I just want to add something to it so in one thousand nine hundred ninety we were looking at seven hundred twenty nine violent crimes per one hundred thousand people in the United States and that graph that goes down to twenty seventeen seventeen where we're at three hundred eighty two point nine violent crimes per one hundred thousand people and the graph is it's like the it's like looking at the climate gate graph in reverse but what's happened since nine hundred ninety or really since nineteen ninety five. Let's give but a fair number is our access to media has skyrocketed and the channels that stuff is coming in. It's just everywhere and what gets focused on is the stuff that scares scares us and you know I'm. I think that there was a lot more violent crime going on decades ago but you didn't hear about it or you didn't hear about it quickly quickly. There wasn't such an onslaught and it really is messing up our brains. Even I have a couple of mass shootings in Texas not that far away until you start to think and kids start to think well. When is it my turn when I'm just going to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? We're being terrorized and if it's really I think it's probably getting a a two twenty three is shot at you is not healthy but this is also a slow death for people report is very very unhealthy night. I don't know what to do about it but I just wanted to say. We need to put this into perspective because that's all they focus on is. These types of death has all kinds of things that happen bad stuff happens to good people every single day but we just terrorize everybody terrorize the kids. It's terrorize everybody. That's all that they seem to love they do and I think it's mass shootings air accidents these kinds of things they always made the news but for instance did you hear about ten teenager shot in Alabama High School football game yesterday. No no no of course not first of all blacks doesn't count. Oh sorry you're black we can't it was the white guy shooting yet so they don't even don't even focus on that plus. I I've said this since day. One of this show people Moan ingrown about all these shootings they never even talk about Oakland which is one of the shooting capitals people are getting shot all the time but it's terrorism to true. Oh tool of terrorism is the m five m the mainstream media is the tool of terrorism terrorizing our own people now. There is something read it If it leaves leads it bleeds is what you're looking. It bleeds it yeah. There's something like that if no if it bleeds it leads yeah there we go as in the lead but now there's a new term that has popped up which I heard in conjunction action with the Big Town Hall in Austin Regarding the homelessness situation the UNE housed and the term is behaviorial health so we have mental health and we have behavioral health. Have you heard of difference. Well Okay can actually I I did I got an actual answer to that. The article I have here from Albania University behavioral behavioral health versus mental health. What's the difference so behavioral health describes the connection between behaviors and the health and wellbeing of the the body mind and spirit this would include? How is this re summarize? I should be exercising. Moore's that we're talking about here. I'm not sure this would include good how behaviors like eating habits drinking or exercising impact physical or mental health however during the seventies and eighties behavioral vural health almost entirely referred to behaviors that prevent illness or that promote health later the term began to include behaviors that help people manage disease most most recently Behavioral Health Inc Mental Health too. I'm not quite does that doesn't really explain anything to me but they the least I was after the show on Thursday which I really I wanted to consider going to this big town hall but hey I was tired and be found out there. We're going to have videotaped anyway and once you see that you have to fill out ten pages of forms just to get a question asking like now this is not. I'M NOT GONNA go there so I watched all two hours. What A- shit show the city of Austin so we had the mayor we had the I'd say the Financial Comptroller we had a representative from APD from the police department? They had a moderator you know so they had a panel of eight people and a Hippie tipster moderators. You know the kind you bring into your company now. Here's some big rocks hear some little rock now it. What did we put in? I the big rocks or the little rock one or those guys so he was doing the the moderation they also had a community advocate and so they're talking and I just wanted to play this only single clip from from this two hour session where you can hear the attitude of the city and how they feel about people bull experiencing homelessness which by the way if they didn't have to use that whole sentence every single time people experiencing homelessness it would have taken him only an hour and a half to get through this meeting. It's so cumbersome just say people who are homeless. That's a lie by the way experiencing homeless they're not experiencing. They're homeless us to experience homelessness if you if you sleep on the street for a day and it's it's not supposed to hurt their Disney world taste experience homelessness theme Song Anyway. Just listen to this. This is the community I think I we we'll hear from the guy from Austin Police Department and we'll get to the community advocate. You'll hear it soon enough so Chris. You're a community advocate and you work through Hamas. Why do you care about this? Issue because homelessness shouldn't exist because it's a form of extreme poverty that should not happen in the richest country in the history of human civilization and I believe that we we have a duty we have a responsibility ability as a city and fellow citizens to to make sure that everyone is housed and has what they need ultimately to get by day to day so cheesy at some thoughts on this safety. I I want to just reinforce the importance of calling us when you see that suspicious behavior because although we may not be able to take any specific action in that instance we dated Urban Department we do collect data on where things are occurring where crimes occurring just as a quick interruption there before all this started there were asking about the was there. has there been an increase in crime since the a city ordinance was lifted and you can camp anywhere except for in front of City Hall of course and the The guy from the police department saying well. We don't have any data to show that but what he meant was. We actually don't have any data we have no data. They have zero data on these past six weeks leaks but that guy reported here in Austin as no proof you know one of those deals. It's really despicable with high safety. I I WANNA just reinforced enforce the importance of calling us when you see that suspicious behavior because although we may not be able to take any specific action in that instance since we are a data driven department we do collect data on where things are occurring where crimes occurring when it's occurring and that's how we deploy our officers based on both time mm-hmm and location so it's important to note when these things are happening that you just WanNa make sure that we really start identify what criminal activity means and what it is people is being in a place because they have nowhere else to be not a crime so I think really starting to focus with the lady is screaming. Here is if I have too many people at my house. It's against the law. It's considered a party and I have to break it up but okay. It's all right. These people can do whatever they want. This is is this is the this is the public versus the people running the city on stay in a place because they have nowhere else to be is not a crime. I think it's really starting to focus really starting to focus. No one no one's up here. Advocating for people build US all other folks or veal the be aggressive in nature we would now wait for the for the community advocate except we wouldn't expect that from our community from Mar House community so we don't expect it from people experiencing homelessness so just have to really build identify what it is that we're talking about when we discuss criminal activity if something looks like criminal activity you know that it is people living doing heroin. That's not criminal. Shut up what the audience push back a little bit on the question is well because this the people that are that are camping in your neighborhoods. Are Your neighbors to live in your neighborhood. The I think it's through that winning to the city needs to it's clear clear that the city needs to provide additional resources to help limit the impacts on house neighbors of camping which also is going to really help people that are camping carly. We live in more sanitary conditions that do you notice a trend here. You're not homeless. Your camping is completely different. A neighbor of your house neighbor of someone who's kid which also is going to really help people that are camping currently to live in more sanitary conditions and be healthier themselves and so I really do support immediately providing those sorts of things trash pickup I take thirty five dollars a month of my trash pickup porta-pottys and other types of services but I think it's really important to understand that you know people in your neighborhoods are are your neighbors and and I know a lot of folks are feeling victimized by pupil camping neighbors but almost every single one of those folks would switch places with you if they could just the and in that we we're all trying to get to a place where we can live together and live together. Well the sad thing. Is this people in the audience who are all in with this joke hooton hollering yeah I will say this just as an aside is at least it's the sound was good. It took a while to find a version with the sound that was good believe me and it only had four views. No one cares uh I've seen most of these four views lots. It is just a shotgun Mike on Somebody's Oh you know there's is a lot of that. There's a lot of that so couple things so this behavioral health. I heard a lot amping is good camp. What's your not? They're not homeless they our neighbors who are camping then neighbors and and I think the biggest cop out of all in our mayor uses that a lot is we all have to work together. You know why because when it doesn't work but we didn't work together I know there were certain elements who didn't work together with US anyway. Here's the here's a a television report by the way I before he continue I wanna say because maze involved in city council work in Port Angeles welcome to the USA. They're all like tests the city council specifically you mean yes I in fact she's. He's always bitching to me. I believe is anyplace else earned someplace. I said No. I said they're all like this. They're all second rate eight in. It's really pathetic because it should be the foundation of the country. Yes I know it's a bunch abused usually ego maniac and people who rent because nobody else wants to run yet to blame the public look at large and it's all corrupt as there's this minor corruptions like petty corruption permeates. All the city councils from San San Jose Deport Angeles to Duluth. I'm sure Berkeley to Austin Lily Berkeley deepen the heart attacks. It's it got this Texas one of the flying little capital cities of the world I it's just this is it. It's I don't know what to tell. You and I don't know what to what you can do all about it well fine people who want to run with the better message in support of my guests in our in our in our district they had to pay more woody not mean pay more pay enough money for these people seventy six thousand dollars. Oh seventy six thousand dollars every councilmember. Most places is next to nothing like nothing in many places volunteer work well. They're getting seventy six thousand dollars on the City Council Austin Texas every single member. I looked it up because I wanted to see if it was worth it. It's not going to get beaten up CA. Ah Maybe if I could do the podcast you could do the podcast and be the city council person. Fortunately I know what would happen. It'd be bitch and Immonen so much was was the show the podcast Austin City Council podcast. We're not GONNA do that but I will support anyone who wants to rouse this who we have here Garza. I think I'm guessing guy here so here's a news report on on the city's new plans. We've we've we've changed a little bit. Everybody working together like a T. We we want to update you on. The city's plans for creating more homeless shelters in Austin I there's the new shelter coming to South Austin off of Ben White Boulevard. The city approves spending a little more than eight and a half million dollars to buy an existing twenty six thousand square foot office building there and to turn it into a shelter council members are adamant that this will not be drop in shelter like the arch but this plan isn't going over well. We'll some who lived nearby a petition against it has has more than fifty seven hundred signatures so far and the other shelter is the Salvation Army the Salvation Army's new Irag Gaber on Tannehill Tannehill Lane and East Austin. It's meant to house families with children and even though there was a ribbon cutting ceremony for it in June no one's living there now this ovation army still need money and an occupancy certificate from the city before people can move in city leaders have long said the way to fix homelessness is to address affordable all housing needs most recently the city approved buying three hundred new affordable homes and specifically one hundred forty of those will be for people who are homeless have have disabilities or have other critical needs now I understand when you're talking about a pipeline of homelessness and people who actually just fall off the edge because of a medical situation or something else and it can happen shoot. It could happen to me quite easily. Although I of for some married to keep her so it'll be okay but for years if you made it for years living on the edge you know it's like well. What would what would the donations be? Who knows yeah you missed two shows Pudi platforms or something like that and it becomes a problem I understand that and I think there's probably a good reason to have some temporary housing people and families to help them catch up so they can figure it out but we're talking people who've been homeless UN housed experiencing reinstating it for eight years nine years twelve years they live? They live effectively outdoors and now they're all just this coming in into the city. Hey we can camp there. Why not it's a lot closer to everything is where you can get drugs if I want him and it's very very sad bad and before you know it will be like Philadelphia? Help is on the way to deal with the hepatitis. A outbreak began with the health department declaring a public emergency. The emergency declaration is really lead to call the healthcare community to partner with US rapidly to administer vaccine to as many of these folks at risk that we can as soon as possible to quell this outbreak Eric since January one hundred fifty. Four people were diagnosed with Hepatitis A. Compare that to twenty one cases in all twenty eighteen officials one of those most at risk drug users and people were homeless vaccinate them against hepatitis same protect them from getting this so that we can stop this outbreak in addition to the pup clinics. It's like this one this week. In Kensington McPherson Park the city will install hand washing stations in the next couple of weeks to help contain this contagious virus. The city also intends to provide public toilets and public facilities agree idea keep us safe and keep our health and bodies kidding. I'm glad he doing unwanted body because it is slow it down and the city says this emergency will stay intact until the commissioner believes that it is contained a madman shooter is one thing it's definitely something to be afraid of. This really scares me and this is what we were predicting in San Francisco just floating around everywhere now. It seems to be happening in Philadelphia well. There's Hepatitis A. There is cholera. There's a number of other ailments at all. Come from transfer inst- it's the poop and you have in Texas. I'd be more concerned there than anywhere mainly because it's wind poop dries out and then becomes dust all we are just able breathe. You're breathing poop. That's contaminated probably or maybe or maybe not in the next thing you know you have a real problem on your hands and there's nothing you're going to do about it overnight. And what does that titus a Dui to you. Actually what what is the. What blows does your liver might need that policeman? You might need that. I might need my liver. Don't want your liver yeah. It got kind of handy that now can you 'cause. It's a vaccination against it apparently can is there a cure or bed rest in language. It's chronic chronic. Get rid of it now. I don't think so and she's on that upbeat note how you doing you got anything because that's that's. That's everything from Texas today. We're shooting people. We've got people camp in a beautiful looks like PAC twelve still sucks PAC twelve. Anybody else needs to know that little piece of Tidbit Information What's PAC twelve yeah never mind is the football league out here. Okay College College football began okay. I got some clips from some interesting. He's we might as well at least get the Hong Kong update out of the way because there's a new twist that was very creative because as you know in Hong Kong during these riots the Hong Kong they got the umbrellas is out this or things bounce off the umbrella. Yeah they put a cone on top of the gas canisters pour water on a bunch of things going about this a little new to this is I like this authorities banned. Today's march by tens of thousands of demonstrators gathered at government headquarters the protesters arm themselves with makeshift weapons and shields as they confronted police who fired blue tinted water cannons to mark the protesters this weekend marks the thirteenth week of unrest and falls also the five year anniversary of a decision by China to limit democracy in the semi autonomous territory that announcement launched a seventy-nine day occupation of Hong Kong Street eight by Pro Democracy demonstrators known as the umbrella movement. Why did you choose blue bright yellow? Hello Jank when she want something good. I don't know what you would want. You have your eight. They're spraying Asians. WHO HAVE UH brown skin? You want something to show up on the brown skin. Maybe the Blue Dye works I don't know but I thought the idea shooting diet because this is what those dye packs doing bank robbers. Yes you put a date to dumb bank robbers. They put a bunch of money in a bag and it put a deepak in there and then it explodes all over. It's rose die all over the ball over the money I had one of those bills once by the way may still take cashman but it's always dial over the money and then destroys dial over you and it's stuff that doesn't come off for a month they have they do that with clothing tags as well now they also have di Di bonds. Yeah yeah yeah the things that they unclear before you leave the store so you try to hammer at yourself. It won't it'll hammer on you basically uh-huh and and it also ruins the garment so it can't be returned for cash which is really the scam which is what most people WanNa do I wanna take it and they want to return it the I'll bet there's a very high percentage of women in in the United States who frequently go to a store by an outfit where it for for the evening keep the tag on and return it you kidding US almost every woman all the broadcasting people I've ever worked within the bay the area all of them do that all of them not one or two used to be a place across from me B O that was up on on the other side of St up and over it was on the corner it was some fancy dancy place and everybody would go over there and they grab a garment they really height. They have tape tape up the little tags were on the air and they they could have experienced it. What's the problem? I thought they could have the expensive disclose. You'd have a year with my company. I would have signed off on it. No you wouldn't believe me if you were signing off on clothes WHOA. I didn't know this was. It's that's how dishonest yeah they go over that well. They commended Mendoza aware of this men don't do this don't do this don't care but the all the women do and they they they get little taped tag the thing up and they go and they do thing on the air I know we had this tech. TV and we had a lot of lot of women and they all did it one time they they didn't do as much as they did Meteo but they did at one time or they all did it all of them and they would go and they say that's really nice yeah. I got it so so I think I may ask. I probably GONNA take it back but I was gonNA keep it and they back is very common with a lot of women especially the ones that work in in broadcasting and it's not like a scandal oh well. I just kind of noticed this. Wow doing a lot of this aren't they. Ah Interesting well. This morning is going back to Hong Kong. There was more chaos. This is reported. Just picked picked up from this morning just to give us the most recent news hundreds of protesters gathered outside Hong Kong International Airport on Sunday as pro-democracy rallies showed no signs of abating beating the demonstrators are determined to carry on campaign despite increasingly violent confrontations with police and warnings from Beijing dangerous everyone anyone who's out here. Today is prepared to be arrested. Dangerous isn't an explosion. I aim should ignore what's happening because we think it's dangerous and full oh by disrupting air and train services to protest once again focused international attention on their actions he said the gathering illegal and warned of a dispersal operation. Did you see the footage of the of the train where the riot police just hammering on people they just wait for the doors to open and going and kick their asses. Yeah the trains from Yeah I think these are all Chinese from the mainland and meanwhile we've got a military buildup which Beijing says as it's just regular rotation nothing to see here. They've got tanks. I've got all kinds of stuff rolling around in the neighborhood. I don't know if they've always been there but it seems like it's kind of being underplayed underplayed by the media. Now we'll find out soon enough this well. They would go on October so they have their celebration oncoming kick ass by the way I was watching. This was like a couple of weeks ago and I've been trying to find it. I didn't take good enough notes but there was on Christina Amazon poor. She's got some. PBS thing where she interviews four or five people in her unconscious way and they had some Democrat on there who is talking talking about the Chinese Hong Kong grise claiming that they were they were protesting trump's racism and I can't for the life with me find this clip I but I threw it out there anyway unproven so anyway anyway Donald Trump don't China Chinese ass hoes. Where am I sure I find my t shirt China's ASS HO anyway we'll we'll see I mean the reporting is just all kind of the same but it's been to been this way for a while so I think it's very important what has poor Chinese man for Short Hongkongers? The as Hong Kong is not the tank as it. It's the Hong Kongers visit while you define everything. According to this other some other protests going on. There's some dissent I get A. PBS report dissented Russia. Oh what was this about in Moscow today. Thousands marched protests rules that bar some opposition candidates from running for city council marchers at the unauthorized rally held up pro-democracy signs and chanted quote Russia will be free protests over the September eighth election began in mid-july including permitted rally that attracted about sixty thousand demonstrators the recent protests over the city council vote or the largest showing dissent in Russia in more than five years now a lot of talk or reading a lot of talk about you know Putin maybe on the outs and how much longer can any hold onto it. We really don't know a lot about how it works. In Russia know who's really ruining the media orangemen bad yeah. There were protests over the weekend in Boston at the straight pride parade which yeah this was kind of interesting and I did get an email from one of our producers. Who said do you want? I was there on the anti on the counter protests. Do you WanNa report a Mike Yeah they will. We still haven't received anything so I don't know what's going on but I I have two reports one just before and one after a post the pride ride report just listen to how this was set up and there's an interesting gaffe in this one to Emerson's students are moving in but tomorrow the college warrants of disruptive or even in dangerous event taking place on the streets directly outside the straight pride parade. It honestly just really scares me. I think I straight pride. Parade is nothing but pride mass scranton is hey these so called. I don't know why they left that in what is wrong with these people but she said instead of hate masquerading as pride she says it's pride masquerading as hate and they let again then they left it in which is it's very odd to me outside the street pride parade. It honestly just really scares me. I think a straight pride parade great is nothing but pride mass is hades. These what is that about. I think it was just foul up. I kind of miss hurt at the first time I heard heard that's why I had to play it again just rushing report at in the edit room and they just let that one go by and nobody picked it up at any level yeah which is really all that concerns me more than anything you gotta be anchor reading it. You've got some somebody editing it. You got a guy in the control room and nobody picks this up the the guy who smokes weed every day picks it up straight pride parade is nothing but pride masquerading as hey these so-called straight pride parade is in response to gay pride events. John Hugo is one of the organizers celebrating our own sexual actual agenda and traditional American values. They don't deserve our attention. Arlene Isaacson Co chairs the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus she stresses straight straight people have not been marginalized throughout history for their sexuality so it's silly to say that they need a straight pride parade when candidly straight pride takes place place three hundred and sixty five days a year then there is exactly the problem and I understand there was these people are trying to organize this provocative and understands kind of like hey you know straight lives matter to can't just be all about the the small marginalized groups but of course it's being it's being interpreted as like your Nazis Tracy prayed begins at Copley Square and ends at City Hall with speakers organizers have a four hour permit starting at noon Boston Austin police are expecting more counter-demonstrators to the parade than actual parade participants of course they go out and they talk to these freshmen who are just coming into Emerson College Missing Listen Straight Gay. We're all going to be on this stuff together. I'm doing that this guy because of the potential volatility police are restricting parking what people can bring and there will be lots of officers. I Hammerstein College has even cancelled an event and restricted access to certain buildings students plan to use the dorms along the route for their own message. We're talking about like hanging there gay pride flags out the window which I'm all for and just were all against it. Oh my staffer against against it against it so I what about just the possibility that a whole bunch of straight assists normal gender fluid and fluid whatever people just want to have a parade without you know having took a parade because these days if you gotTa being a gay parade even the Saint Patrick's Day parade has become kind of agape regular with all oh the gay here comes to gay Saint Patty's Day paraders I mean the last person wants to have a parade was trump. Who in a day that you know the fourth of July Parade Tang pettus oriented on the same subject? There's this story which was the local local news outlet in Vermont. This is Crazy University of remind hates stickers story which is permeating east coast along with the with straight parade stuff to be this is the most I was just jaw dropped for me. Maybe I'm so out of now I have to assume completely added touch well classes back in session at Uvm but it's not the welcoming. Most students wanted just not kind and now at this campus stands for yet again three hate speech stickers were found posted in areas of campus this time displaying messages like better dead than red and keep America American. I actually think that's that's kind of scary because this is a really diverse campus. Police say the group responsible goes by the Patriots Breath Front which has been recognized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as as a hate group the various stickers pushes a message of white nationalism could be a dog whistle this is no new issue this comes nearly a year after similar stickers acres by the same group were found on UVM's campus and just weeks after more stickers were found posted in various areas of Burlington UVM now working with Burlington police and in contact with the FBI but for students. This isn't the start to the semester. They were anticipating. I don't think any of the faculty appreciate it. I don't think the majority of student body appreciate it. UVM police hoping this will be the last of a group looking to cause division concerned about a group like that'd be involved Tehran and its impact on the community. Wait a minute so the only thing I heard there was one of the speakers said better dead than red and that was the only one they you mentioned. was there anything no there was two of them. They mentioned what was he was better dead than red which is really scary especially since from the girl full and the other one is America for Americans who des Scary Gary. They're grounded in hate. Although I don't like the name anything anything front you're just a Dick you name. You guys doing hatred front but sneakers themselves. There's no proof of any of anyone didn't catch anybody's putting a sticker could be a bunch of Frat. Boys ruined our children now. Here's the better dead than red is an old sixties. The from the sixty six these commentaries fifties and sixties actually I think it came out of the fifties which was the sticker you know it's a bumper sticker because it was like anti-communist communist bumper sticker but no anti communism is now scary. Terrorism America for Americans is is not terrorism terrorism shut up scary. What is wrong with these kids well? Let's listen to the Post Pride Straight Pride Parade and most of these kids were arrested for rowdiness the way the American flags and dressed in all types of costumes more than one hundred people took part in the street cry Parade in Boston participants most of them trump supporters marched from Copley square to City Hall voicing their strong views on traditional through American value. I don't know I don't know if they interviewed all one hundred people but most of them trump supporters. This is what we're doing now. The media is connecting acting trump supporters to straight people to Nazis. It's really it's just you left out a num or you left that would it may be it may be in the rest of the reports Arab lace or that God made one man one woman was when they get together and procreate. I can't can't sit down in my house no more and be quite that I need to send up for my godly values debris was met with even louder protesters the Lgbtq community munity and Antifa police with riot gear on bikes and armored cars were out in full force along the parade route. Several protesters were arrested. The rally part of this event has been delayed because organizers say some of the special guests who were scheduled to speak have been able to get through the security checkpoints which makes these protesters happy being here today to make sure that they know that they're not welcome in Boston at least say no major injuries reported more than a dozen people were arrested. Straight people not welcome in Boston. Straight people are not welcome in Boston. You heard it here first. I know I talked to I talked to my local millennial about this kind of stuff actually went back. It was part of a larger discussion about Dave Chapelle about the show that we we discussing the last episode and I can kind of boil it down to this you and I John and I turned fifty. Five on Tuesday. I become fifth and I saw that is of of course I'm twice the age of the Young College graduate. I don't feel old but the basic takeaway is I have not evolved. This is truly it and Dave Chapelle has not evolved. He has not evolved to the point where he understands he. Just it's not cool to make jokes about someone sexuality. Of course there's a host of other things but it's something about you. You're thinking mine is not evolved and therefore only unevolved person like you which usually is then described as an age issue issue always as ageism. It's always ageism and I'm in a little bit older than me but for me. It's very very difficult right now. Where une one hand? I have to admit I don't really know what's at the top of the billboard chart. I don't recognize half of the people I saw on the video music awards of course I'm also doing other things. I'm not in that business like I used to. I used to be but I don't yeah when you're in the business bid. Did it behooves you to know all that stuff if you're not in that business why would you know all that stuff right but but this is the complaint you you're not evolved in your thinking so I'm literally I'm I'm not keeping up with evolution and and otherwise I would never even think could joke like that was funny and and this is this is more of this and if you work keeping up to now it's you were evolving elving then you'd know how scary it is to see a little sticker amongst three on campus that says better dead then read so there's a couple other things in the nats evolution a couple of other items game kind of news that pertain to this Eric McCormack who I'd like is an actor. He's the he's will on will and grace. I've always liked that show actively called for prey blacklist of supporters of President Donald Trump in response to a Hollywood reporter story about the Beverly Hills fundraiser. The president's going to be attending next week. Can here's his tweet. Hey Hollywood reporter kindly report on everyone attending this event so the rest of us can be clear about who we don't want to work with and is that at the evolve thinking is that the the evolved thinking is a version of the McCarthy era where they had blacklists numerous writers in Hollywood's. It's in Hollywood in Hollywood this Hollywood turning on itself. I once again only now. It's over trump then it was over for the Russians. It was not nothing to do with this country. We'll but Russia major and so it's the same thing basically well. There's that meanwhile the the new Dior ad had to be pulled because they clearly are not evolved and they put Johnny Depp. It's a good ad actually DEP is kind of weird and he's promoting salvage the new part foam from Dior but the commercials him out you know like in a Western landscape gape. He's got his black guitars out there playing guitar. He looks all kind of rows over from worse to power court that guitar that let's play like that yeah he he can do that but in the background is that an American Indian in full headdress twirling around and that of course is cultural appropriation so they had to pull that can't believe they're not evolved on this stuff so stupid who is evolved is Calvin Klein though Calvin Klein is really trying to re-launch and reinvent its brand with plus size models. I speak my truth in my Hashtag Tag Kelvin's. This been pretty big plus models. They're showing in these ads so they've literally gone from Kate. Moss looking anorexic remember to Marky Mark Mark Wahlberg. He was the did the Calvin Kleins and now it's big big plus size models and which is fine by me that okay that's also changed. What what what is considered to be a beautiful foil? womanly shape has changed these days women that I have met and and interact with which seems kind of a standard really you want to look like Kim Kardashian they want the skinny waste the humongous but in the end the breast to match and I'm not evolved. Oh no you to be evolved. You have to be a Kardashian Fan. That's basically it yeah involved day you go so these people are so media and ask Yeah you're right how marketing and everything else that they're so proud of not being able to be influenced by because they're no you're immune to advertising this. The millennials as the other autos sure they are so immune meanwhile they want big giant giant butts out of the out of the Blue Yeah and it's kind of an the desired female shape has morphed many many times over the ages. The rubenesque woman was considered the height of sexiness and that changed that was in the sixteen hundreds. I think think it's done more seventeen but yeah I'm not going to bitch about one hundred years worth yet but being involved tyzack being brainwashed into into into Yhombi when I hear that girl from the university student student said it's so scary about a sticker that says better dead than red which refers to being a communist and that's scary and she's upset about it and they didn't know what to do. She's beside herself. This is this it's gone way too far everywhere though and is propagated through podcast John I've created a monster just keeps on going yeah. PODCASTS aren't helping I have to call back though your idea of the homelessness experience in Disneyland me last as this is an exit strategy. I think we could create this ride now. Do you sit in the ride or I think you should also experienced Orient. for a brief moment you stepping in human feces the homeless early stepping in human feces against some of that are really down and out staggering down the street all leaned on the right is the ride. Are you going to actually experience it like two isn't a ride is is it a I think the most enjoyable Disney rides are in a cartoon you know and you got music going on it like well okay. There's two ways of going about this. I'm a huge connoisseur of these things. Here we go does one is you're in the little car too little car little thing and it's going through a homeless. Encampment and people are all animatronic pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah exactly like I took care of being only you're not you maybe could be in a kind of a river of p stinky P that would be okay but I think generally speaking to be better on rails and you go through these things in Ucla these different people and then they have you know people. Did you have goes goes through. The sexual is a bunch of politicians trying to come up with good solutions and they finally we just need more housing. Come out he come out the other end of it and you feel real good about about yourself and you now you understand you understand now. You have evolved. That's one of the cheaper way to go is as you put your where some vr glasses or you're in VR situation you experienced olding only now. It's even more realistic not because it's not animatronic is not it ties not dummies and things like pirates of the Caribbean is the actual video that you're seeing surrounded by the real stench fills and fans blowing smell of craps interfaith wash your and you'd go through the whole thing and you're come out the other Dan pretty much with the same message but it's just a cheaper way to do the ride maintenance. I I personally like the pirates of the Caribbean version. I like that a little better later. It's more by always like those rights better than the ones that are just because you go through the City Hall with Council members are all sitting there pontificating they if you could do though and here's Los Angeles and here's Austin you can have a couple of show some differences. Oh Yeah right yeah you could take the car through one place sir another guys begging for money in different ways along the right people. Keep coming up to your cart asking for money. We're going to hell for this but I am but I am actively actively working on this problem problem in Austin. I'm meeting the CEO of community. I village not that next Monday. After next and I'm going to interview naval pull something out for the show so he's doing something that's working interested in that we could incorporate them into the ride. Yeah I'll I'll pitch him and with that. It's time for me to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you. The man you see the Commie Red John C. Alrea well in the morning you you Mr Adam Carlson in the morning to feed on the grounds feet in the air substantive war substantive waters subs in the water dame's nights out there and in the morning to the trolls in the troll room which you can find no no agenda stream dot com now. This is an interesting place because it's not just where you can listen to us stream live and troll me in real time in the chat room which we affectionately call the troll room. 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This is the let kids kids candidate Avian Kids vote at eight years old so we had these th- it was really good as we can a moat let us vote and they had all these kids Zinni dressed him up and was at Chez Guevara Guevara t-shirts Little Small sized tot size shape crow t shirts. I cried disturbing but a beautiful piece. It was disturbing. Let me see did he did he three in a row let me see who did sixty six oops oops Polo feeling had three in a row. Didn't he know Mike Riley head okay so he's had two in a row he go for the hat trick for today. The title of the show was he's listening. You might be on today is a holiday weekend is a lot of people aren't in in the United States. Yes it's true but our navy present of our audiences in the the United States yeah but I like to talk to like talking to the whole world I talking to the whole world. 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Oh Jeez the symptoms are pretty straightforward constantly experiencing visual distortions patterns Saturn's cylinder that would experience on Lsd long after you stop using the drug can cause an unbelievably painful chronic head pressure which is far worse than any migraine according to my brother. He's a twin. Unfortunately this condition has led to my brother being hospitalized twice in the last six months. There are medications that can mutate symptoms but there is no known cure definitive are no agenda gender producers out there have experienced with it or suggestions on how to deal with it. I really appreciate hearing from you email h. p. p. d. INFO so HP PD INFO at gmail.com on a higher note you can proceed the Mental Health Karma with a MAC and cheese. I love bugs examined of Fomer Clip Adam. My brother and I share a birthday with you. September third my mom Karen's birthday September seven and my friend Griffiths Birthday Day is September eleventh. He hit me in the mouth three years ago so happy birthday to all of the above. Thank you for your courage while Brendan soon to be Sir Zor. Bt what a story and I have a feeling that there's a large section of our audience that will have some ideas as I see what's handed to me sometimes in envelopes at meet ups. I think people know what's going on but this doesn't this sounds I mean I've heard of L. D. flashbacks but to have them like continuously tenuously. That's a true nightmare. Have you ever dropped US job. Back in the day dropped it. What would I drop it? Come on man. Isn't that how you allegedly Khalid drops as some dropped. I dropped an Endo River. Have you ever experienced. I'm I'm not saying for insurance purposes. I've MAC and cheese heating in West Ikat Fag Gay all Oh my God Karma Nicolette Nicolette two bigs follows from plant city Florida two hundred dollars and thirty three percent tvos and she writes is my first first time donating so I believe that calls for a deduce spent deduce the man who punched me in the mouth like half my donations nations go towards Sam Garcia's knighthood. I love what you guys are doing and the community that follows thank you nicolette and how sweet of you to do that for him. S. Keep Track of IT yourself because we're we you know that's how it works here Christopher Coddington in Colusa Kuna uh ally welcome. Thank you major baby surgery. Karma Works Amit Paul Cuttington turns one tomorrow tomorrow August thirtieth. He's not in the birthday list. I think we should put him on okay. I show him there and he's doing great a few showers. It was ago a producer needs some conifers new human resource that is on the NICU and I wanted to send a note of encouragement and it was born with Pierre Era Robin sequence in our small hospital here in Kona within six hours. He and I were Medevac Medevac to Honolulu Lulu he was on life support waiting for an insurance bigwigs to approve a transfer yeah yeah. I know exactly what this is typical Michael. This is worse than government anyway. What he is worse than government because the province motive he needed what he needed couldn't be done in Hawaii? Thank thank God for the Ronald Mcdonald House Judd Hillside Road on Judd Hillside road in the keeper indeed. Keep her for all she does. The doctors here wanted to send send him home with a lifetime of feeding tubes in life support in his future fortunately being builders on the luxurious Kona coast. My father and I knew there's some folks with real pull calls were made then Jackpot met what do you think about Meta fact act okay so he's met vakhed again medevac halfway across the Pacific to UC SF best hospital in the West Coast Benny off children's Hospital Mission Bay a thank God what an amazing place while in San Francisco we're housing taking care by the Family House Charities Great People in J. C. D. Got Our boss our a Box Adam. Don't worry you're on the way Karma well. What box did you get a box? Thanks Emma Guide his Karma and then he got his surgery not only that that but buzzkill even notice what a baby my wife is was really lifted her up during the tough time ever since Adam read my boots on the ground family report about the bunk bunk missile or bullshit missile alert Yup. I knew this no agenda was a huge was a huge family. The last year really proved it having listened since I heard Ataman an info wars thank you sir do sopher do suffer. May I humbly ask for a D. 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Finally last Banat Lisa's dame foreign lady before from Dakhla Georgia comes with two hundred percents but she wrote a note and I have to make a comment about the assumptions long known. I'm not gonNA pry read most of it she. She says she has a note on the note the post it note. I tried to write big to help you read my writing all right. The size is not the issue. This is writing big big giant letters. I'm not like ninety but this is like people who go to Europe and they think that you will understand English. If they shout at you yes it doesn't work. People do not understand English if you shout at them a louder or softer. Whatever you do so writing big isn't the problem? She has a nice hand but it's a little bit. I don't know if it's old fashioned but she has a lot of usages that you don't see much you see it's it's like trying to read it. You know there's different kinds of Longhand as people don't realize and when you learn different different theories of it I forgot the one that America's is normally used but it's definitely not the same when the French used for example if look hold on. I think your Mike is Coming Undone I could I could hear it is it did it fall off the stand or did you fall off. I get I get a wire to wire twisted around my foot and in moving my foot it. It pulled a gear down to the floor. Put back okay. I'll try to be more careful anyway. I did so the French I can't remember somebody in the chat. It remains what is called our form longhand but the French form is so alien is impossible for an American. Here's our form is a coup Steve. No I receive name. If somebody's name I can almost had the answer. A pianist led to house anyway dear. John and Adam is with great pleasure. I enclosed my donation of two hundred bucks in hopes of my aw seventy first birthday okay okay. This is a very old form of longhand which is not used by anybody Paul Palmer Method Palmer yes thank you Harry. Palmer may be the newer version of what she's writing okay so she seventy needs to be on the birthday list. This is you got her name. Aim there are actual name. She doesn't see say she wants to be anonymous but it's Susan you could say Susan she already on the list you know why would she be reading note now to nobody knows about this just home. Sorry is just Susan Susan well. You can use your you. Don't Okay Dame for in a right dangling for end before I know that part. How old is she? Seventy one and what what day second tomorrow okay got it. She's on the list as I'm began my seventy second trip around the the globe some the sun the sun the sun the sun all better discursive reading from distance than you. You are well okay I'm going to I can take a picture. This is an S. and then it looks like an eye and then it looks like an e in it looks like an M. Spin Syrian Syrian no son all the Noah just issue is the best for their for their something I was is delighted to have had the pleasure of meeting Adam at the London meet up in June with the other Dame's nights Pachulia truly was delighted gather. She was in London sadly the bed. She lives in Georgia. Sadly my attendance was cut short as my grandchildren needed again. Ah Yes I remember her grandkids. No this I remember very well fantastic lady her grandkids all with her and they're going like hello. Grandma has lost the F. in plot. What are we do? Who are these people? WHO's that guy with Terrell? It's I mean they had no idea like they were tripping grandma. We think we need to take you home because these people don't seem very safe. It was hilarious. She says their Daughters Day David dig out Outta there. My usual impairment is due to big Pharma drugs specifically plakas plaque nestle or something which caused my blindness I listen into your show on both Thursdays and after often hit people in the mouth myself this is finally the best a Tade best pad best something that's the best podcast this is the best guesses nervous blaming amy the jingles vital Karma and specifically struggling to support my disability disabled daughter while writing for her writing for her to cheat to pushing be approved by social security. Okay let me tell you let let me tell you this. I happen to know that is the the social services. If you have a child that actually has something thing in this child is white. You got big problems. It's not easy to get any of the right forms to be on any kind of services for these children. I've seen the time and time again. It's infuriating the people camping out your neighbors but this kid screw him. It's very hard. There's something that well. There's a lot of things messed up but I I feel her pain in that regard. I have some close experience with that sad the paper okay well. She wraps it up and says says that she wants. You'll have to go to attend another. If there's another meet up in Georgia laws is outside of Atlanta she wants to go to Duluth Duluth I guess Duluth Georgia. That's where she lives. I'm guessing yes this where she lives in. We thank you for both for all you do for so many around the world and and don't forget Canada's federal elections in October and that was no jingles Okarma apparently to give her a give her a car she needs Karma Karma great note. We'll say there is these different longhand series cursive as they like to call it and if anyone gets the chance to have or anybody's on listened to say but he's French and rights that old fashioned French longhand. You've got to check it out if you haven't I used used to correspond with a lot of different wineries and you get this writing. It'd be like holy crap. I can't read this. Can you tell someone's personality from the way they write cursive theoretically. Maybe I mean they say you can't. I just got another notice. They WANNA reboot boot my computer. No no no no let me say well while you're trying to stop that. Let me thank these executive producers and associate executive producers for supporting episode eleven even sixty nine of your podcast we call it. The no agenda show according to the mall report is the best podcast in the universe because it's yours you support. You really put it together. We're just the conduits okay. We come with some experience and how to do that but this system has been working. It's been working relatively well for all involved in in our second donation segment today on the show. We're talking a little bit about some of the meet ups that are taking place and how important those are in this fantastic experiment. We call the no agenda show so again thank you these credits are real. You can use them anywhere. Creditor accepted for our executive producers and associate executive producers producers and you can be one to please remember to go to the following website address to support us dot org slash and a uh-huh schooling today and the different types of cursive writing propagated are formula is this we go out people in the mouth. Ah Yes this is they. Have you know what I have I have I'll she british accent. Oh I don't have a lazy British accent but I have is a reason to open the gates That's right trying to open up the climate gate one morning time. When did we start using that climategate jingle? Can you recall at least eight years ago. Let me see it's an Oldie yeah. I let me see if I can just I'll tell you when it was it was during the climate gate era right. I'm just looking to see if I have A. I don't have a time stamp on this so that Jingle has got to be from two thousand two thousand nine. If you'll recall there was a lawsuit. yet is great. I got a clip on this well I have I have a couple of clips good. Yes so Michael. Man is the quote unquote inventor of the hockey stick graph of the the graph that it shocked the world in two thousand one that certainly helped Al Gore bring his inconvenient truth movement mortgage made millions off for that hockey stick yet and in the climate gate papers we were able to see that there was fudging going on which has since then been in painted over as your immediate your conspiracy theory that didn't happen. We didn't do any of that. This was all real uh-huh whereas they will go ahead. I do want to say this that when that happened that climate gate operation which was in England and they'd fucked if somebody some hacker had unveiled all these emails showing all these numbers aren't working out. Let's just fudge them and they gave Jimmy. The the numbers actually marked the beginning of the end as far as I'm concerned and I think is really not gun. I mean they still talk a big game and everybody's on you know doing their best but I think the movement minute except for the radical left's lefties and the and the dummies and the people that are scared of stickers they're university. Most people are just given up on it. A doctor Dr Ball stated publicly that Michael Man and was full of crap and that his hockey stick is fraudulent to which Michael Man sued Dr Ball all four slander to the story we receive which you will not hear a lot about I think in the mainstream five m because it does not behoove their agenda Enda kind of broke the whole idea of this global warming propaganda to bits and and the judge dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice and told Michael Man that he has to pay court costs and other costs to Dr Ball all for this bogus lawsuit that he that he had saddled saddled up an teed up lined up tow it. It wasn't the the Guy it wasn't Dr Ball saying Hey I don't believe you and suing him. No it was Michael Man himself who put this hockey stick in the first. IPC report report he sued today. I'm defending my honor so let's get some details exactly on what went down. I have a three parter here and we start with now. This was the Danielle Smith podcast. If you want anything good these days you can barely get it from five. AM certainly not on on this topic so this is the very Dr Ball who was sued and won against Michael Man who sued him for slander and this kind of the the intro. Let me tell you I just want to read out what Michael Man's response to the initial reporting was. He said there have been some wildly untruthful claims about the recent dismissal of live litigation against him Paul circulating on social media. Here's our statement. The defendant did not win the case. The court did not find that any of balls defenses revolution the court did not find that any of my claims we're not valid. Dismissal missile involved the alleged exercise of a discretion on the court to dismiss a lawsuit for delay. I have an absolute right of appeal by lawyers will be reviewing the judgment we will make a decision within thirty days as the provisions in the court order. Relating to cost is not mean that I will pay bells legal fees. This ruling absolutely does not involve any finding that balls allegations were correct in fact or amounted to legitimate comment in making his application based on delay ball effectively told the world he did not want verdict on the real issues of the lawsuit so that's his comment and what's your comment about the counter comment is I did want eight. He's the one we had a court time scheduled for February twentieth. Two thousand seventeen were scheduled to be in court. He cancelled it. He delayed it not me and and so he's the one that's consistently delayed it and he's had he's now now what almost nine years to produce evidence and he hasn't done it and the court ruling in the dismissal set that he debate all sorts of claims and provided no evidence to support his claims so what is interpreted there is the complete opposite of of the Fox doc so it's important to hear how it's going to be spun in the media but it seems kind of like our doctor ball is the hero of this and and he he came out on top so here's the background it was a combination of both of those the the comment about being in Penn State is what he listed in his defamation suit saying that by the right one day saying that he should be in state Penn.. I was implying that he was a criminal and and f course actually I do think he's a criminal and the reason I say that is because Michael Man was the guy that literally Charlie rewrote climate history see one of the problems that the the people who pushed human cost over warming all along has been that people like me who knew what the climate history was said. Hey you know a thousand years ago. It was much warmer than today in a period called the medieval warm period and that was there. There's no possible way that that could have been created by humans. This was a natural cycle and so and there's an actually I have an email from my professor damning. Em I N G and he said I wrote an article that was questioning the the hockey stick and he's like Oh. I got an email from one of the perpetrators of saying you know we've got to get rid of that medieval warm period in other words. We've got to rewrite the history and that's exactly what they did. Is your microphone. Reattach like sound like you were messing with it. Is it working. I'm good okay okay. I'd heard a lot of moving stuff around. Sorry here's the final clip of this. He took the modern instrumental temperature records and grafted on to the end of the trees. It sounds like you're saying he cherry picked a particular tree sample that gave him the data that he wanted for the the only part of the record and then used the latest temperature data grafted onto create this this this huge spike yeah and of course the thing is when you look at that blade that sudden up hurting temperature that he has a blade of his hockey stick. It's it's the accuracy of it is plus or minus thirty three percent percents okay so how did this become the iconic graph that everybody referred to and has driven so much of the climate discussion because because these people were were being paid and worked at the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on climate change and that their goal was to show that humans were causing global warming and and climate change and therefore they created the data the justified that and of course a hockey stick showed up until the humans and their industry appeared in the eighteen eighty s the temperature was going down slightly and was almost level and then suddenly there it is that's proof that humans are the cause the whole objective of everything they've done. Climate change is real well this guy when they booking this guy and MSNBC and wonder which the doctor Dr Ball who's talking yeah never of course they're not going to book him of course not you gotta go to podcast Ashby Book. Why don't they book him? You gotta go to podcast to get some real information these evil these nobody wants to take. It seems like a perfectly good thing talk about seeing as you know. This is a lot of the the genesis of the hysteria that we're in now I mean if that's being questioned you should at least report on it but no which is why if you read the whole thing you'll see multiple times in the mall report that no agenda is the best podcast in the universe the US buy yes by omission by omission. The gate closes Sir Bye Birdie's meanwhile of course you have this Dorian coming down the coast. Yeah I find that every every which way they don't even know what it started with Puerto Rico's GonNa die wait a minute missed it okay Florida it's like does anyone see the joke in this that all their computer models and we're all GonNa die in twelve of years I it's it's even terrorizing children. Sorry can't resist quarrying light climate change and things like that. We're all GONNA die. I had this fact that if we don't do anything now in twenty four contrary to forty it'd be fast with no ice off tech yeah. We're all going to die the Arctic ice in the Arctic. Yeah here's the story and report so get a little clue what's going on ski. People in on the east coast satisfying forecasters now say Hurricane Doria and may had north and east in the next ex- few days skirting along the coast of Florida warnings are still in place and heading toward coastal Georgia and the Carolinas the hurricane is now a category four and it is projected to hit the northwestern Bahamas sometime in the next twenty four hours with winds approaching one hundred and fifty miles per hour Florida is still endurance potential path and it may bring strong winds in life threatening storm surge to Georgia and South Carolina early next week but before the hurricane reaches the US mainland it is forecast to slow down and drop as much as four feet of rain over the Bahamas this weekend the prime minister there urge residents in the storm's path to evacuate yeah. I don't know which direction it's going. This is a very slow mover though which is kind of like Hugo which is relatively new in the hurricane development world. That's so what they're telling us. I'm not sure that's of course who the hell knows. There is now Miami. Guess is not gonNA seems like they're safe now yeah eh Miami's going to be fine well. They were scrambling to get all the scooters rounded up. I think it's a NATO and no scooters would be a bad mix. I can you imagine a tornado which has more sucking power 'cause it's concentrated going over. Some little town like let's say anytime has got a bunch of Scooters Austin sucking up into the air and throwing scooters all over the place. It's scooter NATO scooter NATO yeah but you don't think about those things we just did if it came by awesome have scooters flying through the air and People Experiencing Homelessness Hoop Dance Geez we're going down hill pretty quick on this one boop NATO chair yeah. We just want to mention one thing. A report came through over the weekend from the Netherlands just staying on green new deal climate change etc now. What have we been looking at with the Netherlands specifically they really trying to get rid of natural gas? No more homes being built with gas so if you want on a heat your home if you want hot water anything no gas even WanNa Cook Road. It's GonNa all gonna be electric to. They've been pushing this for a while a big a big push on electric vehicles. The Tesla's were heavily heavily subsidized. I don't know how many Tesla's there are in the Netherlands but it's quite a bit all the cabs now as the air wordy org the all the cavs at the airport Tesla's but people have also been put into small electric vehicles and they enjoy them and I and especially for country like the Netherlands relatively typically small you can actually get from one side of the country to the other on one full charge. You'd have to charge before you go back but anyway. It's their electrifying their society it with recent It's not really a heatwave but it's been pretty hot so I think it has something to do with it. The you know the elect the electricity grid in the Netherlands is at if not a little bit over capacity they cannot handle handled the demand. They have the supply. The actual grid can't handle the amount of people now are cooking with electricity the charging with electric. They're not heating right now. Just imagine what it's going to be like in the winter so they ha- they the grid can handle it. What do you in that case? What do you do when when when the grid can't realize that you're stupid yeah wrong with gas did anyone I think to check and see if all this added electrical capacity if that would ensure I am absolutely convinced at one engineer you're at the electric? One probably half dozen all had the math and they showed them as you know. We really can't do this shot up. We're going to do it anyway. Yeah Yeah because that's what mathematicians and engineers do all day work on problems like you just said and they come up with with mathematical solutions Sion's real engineering and mathematical solutions and they present them in reports and it says no and they and they say well okay. We'll do it anyway. That's I would absolutely convinced that well. It seems to be a problem and it looks like the Netherlands is going to be ground zero of the problem so good good experimental area. It's always good to mess with seventeen million people who cares robotic chicken processing there in that country has they do beyond a Bubba deep world-class. Don't Yeah I get this lecture when I get might toured the Netherlands from at doesn't sound really that doesn't sound groovy that doesn't sound green. Nobody said it was green. yeah there's this big giant chicken packer that were going by. There's a bunch of trucks are these huge monstrous trucks chicken and today a lot of chicken. He said he lied chicken. He says yeah he electric and he says and those factories are all robotic what why is because we can't get Mexican workers here. They really say that that's that's bad so we ended up dreaming up all these robots to do the job so novus cheaper or more expensive. I would guess as more expensive but I'm not sure if that's what he said yes. I'm sorry I brought it up. let's talk a little bit about about Biden. Uh Okay first of all I do have one deconstruction of the major Biden Gaffe in another by Geffen I have brooks and shields but mostly brooks talking about a couple of items. that I think are were discussing so let's play. Let me do it this way. Let's play Brooks. Trump is losing it on. PBS WE LOOK BACK ON THE G. Seven the again the meeting in France last last weekend and it was more characterized by tension that he had with other world leaders then by any sense that anything getting done so. It's a sort of course for for g seven summits but I think what struck me this week was. How the debate change your Donald Trump? there's been whispering is mentally not as fit as he was had our are impairments rising that somehow seem to rise and now become public conversation when he said his father was born in Germany when your father was born in the Bronx. That's not something you normally get wrong that his wife is good friends with North Korean leader when she'd never met him and just a lot of things coming out of his mouth and this has always been the case but the verbal patterns psychiatrists are not allowed to to judge people they haven't matched but there's certainly a lot of people out there raising a lot of red flags so that to me among the tumbled take of the political tunnel to the G. seven the psychological tumult is almost one of the key takeaways just on that one point about what trump said that the first lady had had met Kim Jong also liked him because I saw that whole speech and I didn't think much of it and like Oh. That's that's interesting. I didn't know that she met him. That's not an impossible. I guess what is that because to me the way he said it onstage onstage and the fact that it was a blatant lie. It's it's pathological. I hate to say because I still love the guy but it sounds like something Ron. Bloom would say day not that that means anything to anybody but you and I go but we know someone who is like this. What is that I mean why why why did what is going on with that? That's a pathological liar. There's a bunch of them out there. They're crawling all over the place. I'm always skeptical of my very. I always try to avoid them but the thing about this is just piling on and Giannis yeah it was a stupid thing to say but think about his dad being born in Germany is not new but we had a clip of that that's two years ago but I thought to his heritage is it was his grandfather born in. I I know the German this is Jeremy Family. Yeah the trump's yes the drums so that brought this up but then when he goes on and he's Brooks's they turn it around because then they bring in these Biden Gaffes and I'm. I'm decided I'm going to play the Biden gaps which makes a lot of sense because you know you got. Here's what it says to you. You're not David Brooks who's posing as a as a republican apologize. I'm sorry I should have known that harsh. Marsh Democrat is what am I thinking so. Let's listen to the way he handles pretty much. The same kind of an I would say that Biden is no different than trump. He's the bees also a pathological liar and he's also full of crap and but it's different apparently with him back comparison person here but David this week there was attention to to Joe Biden in in because he's been telling a story about meetings he had with with US American veterans who were fighting Iraq Afghanistan and telling a very emotional compelling stories about pending a metal on them you know and how one was retrieved a buddy from a burning vehicle and another one repel down down a cliff and so forth but it turns out these different things that happen jumbled together with some summer saying this should this should be connected and compared to the president others saying in no way no way I mean I mean Biden. Maybe you'd aging and maybe that's an issue. The legitimate issues for voters to think about but he's not mendacious. He's not responsible. He may embellish story to improve its dramatic effect act and he may be forgetting things are memories are just much more fallible than we think. Every memory expert will tell you that and you're on the campaign trail doing thousands events traveling everywhere things get jostled in your mind so it could be just the normal thing of campaign and for some reason we've gotten into a pattern where Biden Gaffe is the story yeah yeah okay well the one he did that. I think they're referring to here was pretty amazing. I may was five. Don't five stories put together. It was great I have this is the deconstruction and this is the Biden story deconstructed the whole thing with some commentary and I think they did a pretty good job on it but I want to go back. What Brooke said you know always getting older? Maybe he's making mistakes and maybe he's busy would not as if trump isn't and you know he makes these little errors and it doesn't mean anything swapped out the words trump and Biden on those two pieces and flipped him back and forth you could see so you can do just the opposite you could say just the opposite is he's. He's trying. He's just trying to lie to US so he can make make himself. Look better this story about him. Giving having the medals to the guys make because Brooks that goes on longer and he says well Biden never lies to make himself look better Bradley run run. That's all that's exactly what he does Sodas Brian Williams at MSNBC Sodas Hillary Clinton under fire air. I mean the yeah and you know what I'm sure. I'd do it myself sometimes but I'm more disgusted by PBS allowing this guy to continue with at this two-faced kind of approach to news analysis. This is not helping anybody it just it just fanning the flames. As far as I'm concerned we listened to the long Biden Story deconstructed deconstructed clip when you put your money in the bank and just sit there it goes out in the world and what well that's a commercial you recorded the powerful story former Vice President Joe Biden and tells on the campaign trail including just six days ago but according to The Washington Post. It's actually a story that's made up of three different events that a biden has conflated into a single incident. Take a listen. I've been in Afghanistan and Iraq over Thirty Times a pin medals Zahn silver stars on soldiers up in the upper valley in the middle of a firestorm. The poor guys have gone through the Young Navy Captain Navy Navy up in the mountains in the CONAN Valentine Afghantistan. One of his buddies got shot fell down a ravine about sixty feet four star generals. I'd go up into the FOB now. Everybody got concerned a vice president going up in the middle of this but we lose a vice president. You can't lose many more of these kids not a joke. No this guy climb down a ravine carry this guy up in his back under fire and the general wanted me to pin the Silver Star on them. I got up there and Stanton God's truth. My word is a biden but he stood his attention called it. I hadn't heard that my word as a Biden Okay and by the way for those earning five is forward operating base and those are no joke to get to so so yes but his word is I think I think I need to do that. Did you take that cookie. My Word is a Biden I did not I should've clipped it out. Yeah I got up there and stand as God's truth. My Word is a biden. He's stood at attention. I went to Penn and my sister. I don't want to damping do not put it on reserve her. Please Sir do not do that. He died he died and the Washington Post found that Biden was a senator not the vice president when he visited visited Kunar province in two thousand eight the Servicemember honored in that instance was an army specialist not a navy captain and did not pin the metal on him by did award the Bronze Star to then Staff Sergeant Chad Workman in two thousand eleven for his heroic actions in Afghanistan Biden responded to to the Charleston Post and courier late this afternoon saying quote. I don't understand what they're talking about but the central point is it was absolutely accurate what I said the story was is that he refused the metal because the fella tried to save and risked his life saving saving died. That's the beginning middle and end the rest of you guys you can take it and do what you want with it brother Joe at-bat but my favorite one though I was a very short clip but my favorite Biden gaff which is another one of this just a flood which trump does too but this is my. This is my all time favorite so far and these kids who come Tom and they end up doing well. They become America's before a lot of Americans become serious they get in school. They do well aw they contribute to the community. The Country Ben Dover here comes their they've time shifter's I tell you these kids are fabulous great bob serious. I swear my word is a biden. Brooks was on book TV. I'm writing my books. I I gotta get into the vibe stuff and I'm watching TV to see you see my fellow authors are up to two Brooks is pushing a new book a New Brooks Book and I clicked it for you because you're always bitching about brooks and understand. He is a Republican right. No oh I thought he was a Republican. He pretends to be a Republican. He's on that thing to balance the Republican. They can Democrat but he's not. He's not a claim a proclaimed Republican far as I know he's not a registered Republican once said he was a a registered Democrat well. I got this just for you thought you'd get a kick out of it so I hope you do so you spend a Lotta time on television talking about politics and when you were writing your column and you are writing in Snow Oh you were fairly critical. I think it was candidate trump. Maybe it's president trump. I can't remember critical. Maybe both so what is your view on the likely to president trump will get reelected. I actually cheerier view that a lot of my democratic friends I think the guys at forty percent and he's offended sixty percents. Take it stupidly. That's not good and so I'm more. I'm more optimistic that he will lose Salaam the Democrats I hang around with when you write any critical articles on you ever hear from him. Does he ever call you and say I don't like that article or tweet about me but I've never had any contact with. I'm very happy not to. I really don't want to be the same room with a guy and so what is is your view on the likelihood. The Democrats will retain control the House or get control the Senate as I say well. I think the Democrats you know what I think is a pretty big advantage for the Democrats of course knowing the Party of the main questions. I wonder how they're gonNA find a way to screw this up and so I if I were advising the Democrats insurance advice they'd love to get I would say just go with the bland the number one job is to get trump at office so he's a never-trumper. That's really what is never wouldn't even even go. He wouldn't want to be in the same room at the guy what kind of a reporter this is the this is the kind of reporting and reporters and columnists that we have the highest levels now. They don't want to be in the same room with the guy these are the New York Times New York Times yeah and these are the same kind of people that say all wikileaks lake should be shut down because heaven forbid. They dig up stuff that we can use a news story on. You're just not evolved apparently then that's your problem not a moral stickers. I have a multi part fit in before next break. It's about big Pharma and you'll like it because it's about schooling public school and home schooling and this is from another podcast and it may bring a couple of things around that clearly joe has some mental issues. Certainly trump has behavioral issues. Yeah this is behavioral health and Mental Health Week on the no agenda show but what's going on with our kids and and this may also kind of come round to some of these school shootings what is really happening with them so on the addiction podcast which I don't subscribe to one of our producers sent this to me got time codes. They weren't exactly what I wanted but I was able to skirt around and pull out some good clips and they interviewed Barbie Rivera who is at who was a public school teacher for twenty eight years ago and and she now runs she now runs a private school which is really a home school for a few kids in her in her community but she starts off talking about and this is twenty eight years ago about her own son and this may ring May ring true for a number of people who are listening to the show right now twenty eight twenty nine years ago a certified teacher told my first grader told me about my first grader that he was mentally handicapped and he needed to be drugged and I was like I can't believe that that's the solution no tutoring no extra work nothing but they were already you with the list of medications that he should go on now. Of course we know what this medication is because we've talked about it for at least ten years Ritalin is what was the a big thing twenty eight years ago your your kid and it's always the boys as a little annoying. He's running around like a nut job. Well we need to do something and there's by the end of first grade. The certified establishment taught my son that he was stupid and my son at the time I mean he's he's bilingual. I don't speak two languages. My son spoke two languages fluently. He could go anywhere with anybody. He never had a meltdown in the grocery store. He did his chores it. It was like a perfect little boy who used to run around in a Cape and he's going to grow up to be a superhero firefighter and on and on with that kid on drugs what I think a a little boy. That's what you expect a little boy exactly and then he was just shut down and it was interesting because I looked at him and I'm like Oh my God. If I don't do something he's going to be on drugs when he's thirteen fourteen fifteen fifteen like I saw it because I have betrayed my sudden I sent him to a place that I did great with. Id Great in public school cool one hundred years ago to the teachers love me there was no drugging. There was no homework when you're in kindergarten none of that nonsense but my son on had a different experience so I took him out of school and it took me two years to get my son back not that he was taken away from her but just to have him detox from the Ritalin so she starts her own private school homeschool and she has kids coming to her from the community and listen to what happened into them now. I've been doing this for twenty eight years. My Home School is now an accredited private school in Florida small but we're out there and the majority of the kids in my school have been on Ritalin PROZAC adderall in tune of and I'm talking I have spoken to children who are five who've who've been on PROZAC for two and a half years of their lives Prozac I'm like what are we doing with a two and a half year old like what are we doing and and you can see it like a five year old comes into my office I mean my name is Barbie so I have a Barbie doll in my office. The normal five year old wants the toys the stickers all of these things when you have a five year old who comes in that has there's not a shell of a body I what medication Oh. How can you tell Mike? How can you not I? I mean that's five year old on PROZAC. That's pretty that's pretty bad but especially since they started at two and a half which I think is they should just make it illegal direct. Contra indications on the package is not supposed to give us any of this stuff to anyone under eighteen so here's the kicker so sh- so what happens when she's running this little school and drug drug companies are interested in her children this to me. was I mean I've heard this happening with doctors but educators now that I have a private David School I am on the list of the drug companies and every year once to three times a year they come to my school now. I'm going to call somebody out which could get me in trouble but Florida International University is a university about twenty minutes away from my school. They are funded thirty two two million dollars on several different drug studies on children thirty two million when in tune of was on the market. Fau was doing going to drug study because before the drug can go public they have to do drug studies so where they need kids so they go to the daycares. The private schools charter schools goals the after school programs the public schools and they come with their little briefcases they come with their brochures and I think it was two thousand seven. I could be wrong on the date but it was around then that in tune if was coming out and there were three levels of participation for this drug study offered to me okay the principal the first level was for every name address and phone number. I submitted to the drug steady. I would get one hundred dollars cash. The cash could be to me personally only because I own the school or to the school because let's face it Barbara. You're in a shopping center. It's small and it's ugly quote quote so we'll give you one hundred dollars for every student well for every name address not student who renamed like if I have your address I submitted I get one hundred dollars. Second level of participation was if I fill out a mental checklist. I've talked about this before. This is the mailing list. This is the value of a name Sandwich for yeah. It's it just varies from ten to one hundred dollars. Wait for it address. I admit it I'd get one hundred dollars. The second level of participation was if I fill out a mental health checklist on the children and there was about fifty seven. Uh stipulations can't cut with scissors three years old can't cut with scissors like thirty five year olds scissors in my house. Come on I'm kidding. My son Damon is going to murder me anyway so if I do a mental health checklists on my students and turn it in I get five hundred dollars per mental health checklist if I sit with you and I get you to put your son your daughter your grandchild on this drug. I get five thousand dollars per child. This is unbelievable nice five. Hey exit strategy so hanging which is drug everybody five nine dollars listing earlier in here little discussion. She talked about compulsory homework in kindergarten. I think that's the norm yeah. I think I've heard yeah. I've heard of this sure. Debt is insane more insane than getting paid eight five thousand dollars for narking kid five thousand bucks a pop he added. That's a lot of money. Do you have two hundred students. There's a million dollars. I wait a minute. So can't we get I mean we have thousands students. Sorry how many people do we have on the no agenda mailing list like we have a not that it's not a huge eighteen thousand eighteen nineteen thousand year how many of those kids that are eligible for program all of them okay good so can we we like send out forms and have them just sign it and send it back and then we'll split the difference with our producer. Stay hadn't if these people had never listened to the show they'd be glad to do it but wow my goodness. We've actually but this we've we've cleared the deal. This should be outlawed. How can take place doc? I find that disturbing I didn't I know they pushing on doctors and give them all kinds of incentives but schoolteachers principles. How many any principles are on the take probably I think this needs to be investigated this is this is really a problem Tom and yeah the same problem that was caused by these Pharma companies that were pushing heroin or Oxycontin. Yes actually I thing I actually have a clip here this is from NPR. This is an expert from Stanford for Law about the OPIOID crisis and these companies that are now being sued. A very interesting take from Stanford is part of the challenge here that there are people who successfully use opioid painkillers and rely on them. I think that is part of the challenge. Sometimes we get caught up in the culpable elbow bill of behavior of a drug company as you know maybe we should but we have to remember that at their heart they make products that we want. We want these companies to continue in business business because not only do we want their opioids. We want the other products that they make and we need this price. This is not like a jewel or a tobacco company where we might think well. The world might be better off. They weren't in business now. We need these companies the same business the question is how do you use the lock jewel well. I think he's trying to show what's on the Horizon Isan for the new big tobacco being fought by big Pharma apparently Stanford's all in Echo company where we might think well. The world might be better off if they weren't in business now. We need these companies to same business. The question is how to use the law to send incentives to behave responsibly while they're making those products yes you sues opioid cases moved through the legal system. Do you think justices on its way to being done. I think it probably is the verdict in the Johnson and Johnson trial really really suggests that the theories that the plane is put forward are going to be applicable to all the other claims that their brain these other lawsuits the real question for me is what will that money and being used for and how do we ensure that it goes toward addressing the problem that the litigation was intended to address. Do you have an answer to that question. We we know from the Tobacco Litigation that particularly in times of recession or in state budgets are straining the temptation to raid these honeypots can just be overwhelming we know from tobacco in most states very little of that money actually ended up going towards tobacco use prevention and treatment so you know we media watchdogs can how consumer watchdog groups can help short but the courts aren't going to be involved in administering how the settlement funds are used so it remains really an open question whether they will be used in the way they're supposed to be so there's there's a big push everywhere. This is to me. This is just hey you know okay. These guys were bad but we they make products. We want so we we can't ensued them out of existence and Fox News clearly run by Democrats have always said he's all on board if it wasn't Tucker Carson Karlsson with his NARC DOC is saying that school shootings are caused by kids smoking weed no no. Let's go back to Fox. They're all on the anti weed trae now. Federal Health Officials are issuing a national warning against marijuana use by adolescence and pregnant women surgeon General Jerome Adams Jerome Adams says says the science shows marijuana is harmful to developing brains of teenagers and to the human fetus also says marijuana is getting stronger. Today's marijuana is far more potent than they've passed the amount of THC the component what what I said this is Newsday reporting this news breaking news the amount of THC the component responsible for euphoria and intoxication but also so for most of marijuana's documented harms has increased documented harms our I've heard from the government all my life is we haven't tested a sufficiently now. We have documented harms but wait. There's a slogan. Marijuana's documented harms has increased three to five fold over the last few decades. This ain't your mother's marijuana. I WANNA this. That's a surgeon general the United States. This ain't your mother's marijuana while I mean come union by by the way I missed it. You nailed it. They have made a fuss over not being able to any research whatsoever because the hoops hoops you have to jump to to to be able to even get some marijuana to research it is outrageous. All the research has been done in Israel and the Israeli guy. WHO's the head of it? He says he's never documented any harm so this is the lies at the warning comes as legal marijuana has grown into a ten billion dollar industry the US with nearly two thirds of states legalizing it mainly for medical use so I think they're moving is towards regulation shen of amount of t t h C that's what it feels like to me. I think there are already some guidelines or maybe even strict guidelines for medical Michael Marijuana but they're gonNa want to did they weren't GonNa want to determine how much THC's in your we'd already most people that I talk talk to in California and Oregon. 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No agenda meet UPS DOT COM Jesse Coin Nelson was so excited you he made a song about our meet ups at thought it was so bad I needed to share it. If you don't mind I think politically correct share can give you grief taking shaken a breakthrough triggering leary's beer great relief. Sometimes you where you can express any opinion you without being entreated prior whose disease you WanNa be where free thinkers around you want to be the ETA being U. S. Right yes you can even bring your. I'll play the whole thing end of probably really a rendition of social media. Let's get social. Get social issue. Do you get the right voice for yeah. Mary McCormick would love it. Thanks everybody and thank you also for the support in more ways than one yes okay. So what do you got the rap. I got a couple of things I want to get out of the way first of all we get data talk a little bit about the brexit thing which is getting funnier. How do tell what you got well I got the general report from PBS which is Brexit News is a short clip but we can actually actually skip debt clipped because nothing we don't know about the longer actually more in-depth report which is the news hour in-depth on Brexit clip? The United Kingdom is counting down to Brexit exit their exit from the European Union with parliament facing suspension court cases in the works and protests like today's likely to continue national public radio correspondent the Franklin for joins us now via skype from London for more on this developing story we're seeing CB growing and they seem to be not just limited to London anymore. No he saw them in Glasgow Glasgow in Hawks for Liverpool other cities around the country they weren't that big today and I think as we get closer to the October thirty first date when there could be the country could crash out of the EU if no deal at all. I think you'll see them grow. This isn't just the people who are well. I guess in the opposition party who are pushing back what Boris Johnson did over the past couple of days. We've seen members current members of the Conservative Party as well as previous ones you do and you think you have rebel members of the DETTORI party who also objected this and then a Lotta the objection is to the principal. We have a parliament that sitting here a Boris Johnson Johnson may be going to give them five as little as five days to come back and try to mount a way of stopping him from taking the country out with no deal. The majority of the parliament element is against this. They're on record being against this so the idea that Boris Johnson is trying to curtail their time in power really strikes if it's a much bigger issue than just brexit really strike too. Many people feel the representative nature of the democracy in the country now similar to the United States. You've got people who support this people. It's very sort of divided or a divisive missive issue you went out to kind of what's called the Midland's what we might think of as the red states people who support leaving the right yeah it was it's really brexit country and I gotTa Say Hari. It's like having a parallel conversation like in a different country when I was up in a town called Boston for which Boston Massachusetts is named what everybody was telling me. This has been going on for more than three years a we feel that these anti brexit members of parliament are trying to defy the results assaulted the two thousand sixteen referendum and they say they're the ones who are being anti-democratic not us so people are looking at this issue right now through completely different lenses in this country since so. When did we get the do over? I'm reading is the I think they're working on angles in other words. You're going to try different things to see what sticks when they get the public since they have a lot of time left the month Essop timber which just started today but here's what I'm curious about. They may be some of our a lawyer producers can help out what exactly determines the exit. Is there a piece of paper that is you know. Is there an exit interview. Is there a piece of paper that has to be signed you know is it just something that's like. Okay okay. We I mean what is it. Is it one signature or what is the deal or just say we're done. We're not paying see you later I mean is it like a real break-up makeup. I I just wonder are they effectively. Not Mrs Matter of him saying we're done the legality of it the pickup. Is there paperwork. What you're saying is the paperwork that you don't need to change your tone of voice into different things to maybe make me understand? I have no idea I think this we used to somebody needs to ask. It's never explained on these shows. Millie made me self conscious. You're working me. I feel like it's my job but you were working me for no good reason because I have no idea we'll see you can in baked me to tell you the answer but I still can't tell you the answer why not I don't know you have all the answers so you got to crack your voice. Better all answers yeah I. This is actually a now. You got me wondering why I was using different tones of voice possibly ring a bell. That's what it is or. Can you just do like the Muslim. It's Muslim slim divorce in the in the Middle East you say three times turn your back on your wife or something and then you out or is it like a hotel we can do electronic fast the quick checkout on the hotel because of the extended stay yes. Can I get late checkout Catholic play checkout. Yes not in that room because that room has got to be ready as well okay. We can give you a one but we can't give you three. We can you get up by one exactly I maybe someone knows or is it just a if all it takes is Boho. Dj In a proclamation just say we're done do it now yeah. He could interesting I only have one live a couple quick. Non Clip updates funny. Yes the Prince Andrew's lawyers are now claiming that the photo of him at Epstein's mansion is probably fake. It's it's it's a diva photo ben in play. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Oh it's completely now. Wow that's fake now they did. There's no evidence new evidence whatsoever. There is one other name I want to bring to our attention and actually a couple of names because now there's word of the Epstein associate no one's talking about and her her name is he's a german-born ex model. What is her name now? Oh here we go. Nicole Junkerman never heard of her no but she was in a group group that included Epstein Ehud Barak. Who of course we also saw in probably a fake photo? They had a an APP that they were creating that they wanted to I guess they were working with the nine one one system in the US and this APP if there was an issue than it would it would send if you had a problem. He needed nine one one. You Click the APP it sends like your entire life. Your address book your location all of that stuff to the system doc which seems like a great tracking mechanism she also in two thousand and two her company acquired the FI FA World Cup rights in Germany Germany. She's a player like the television rights so now people are looking at her. What was she doing she? Apparently she's also on the flight manifest. I don't have anything more than just. That's an interesting Nancy go again. This is the thing that bothers me the most what a particular bless association. I'm just telling you what's being reported. I didn't say no one's guilty blaming you. I'm blaming the people that are reporting now. What you were changing your tone with trying wind making? It was okay talk like this Guy Yeah. I'll do the firewall. This is just another data point. Don't free the firewall offensive to you. I didn't realize it until people started objecting to. I started actually listening to it. I realized that it was the worst thing ever okay. Epstein has a ranch in New Mexico the Zorro Ranch Shell K. This is this. This is actually a good point because this go on and I'm going to. I'm going to confirm what you're saying. Only all I wanted to the over there crack looking at this place they well. They were very close just just about a year ago. Do you remember the observatory in New Mexico that closed and we had and I it was there's always maybe they saw aliens. It's the sunspots Solar Observatory Close for eleven days in September yes you do you just forgot not because we talked about it on the show I did so it's right right below on the Map Right Underneath the Zorro ranch and week after these days of aid being closed and no one knew it was going on it turns out that some employees there was a nailed for child pornography geography right by the Epstein ranch. I know it's guilt by association. I'm just saying and that ran. The ranch was never we're was never rated. Don't even know what they've been in their diagnosis baffles me the most and people keep bringing it up yeah but don't they just go check it out out. Get warranty just the guys criminal. He's dead. No no no no listen. We don't no one killed him. He hung himself. The camera was broken two cameras to cameras or broken. Some of the footage was unusable. What is your problem? Don't you guys were asleep so big nothing nothingburger. There's nothing to see yeah now. We're stupid. In fact the population is is literally stupid like okay okay. It's probably a cover up move on. They don't care no one cares anymore. It's not like they're business now true and then do I have anything to play for you. Wonder I WANNA get out of the way okay. Let's do a silly story. This is silly story you anything of bar or your buddy bill both parties gonNA pay for it and everybody's all bent out of shape about this gives me why is bill bar my buddy. He's not judge. No I told you this guy is cleaning up for other people. If anything he's obfuscating stuff and he's protecting people he was involved in it will take the Iran Contra report came out. I didn't buy into that until now this guy's a total cleanup artists. He's Muller couldn't do it. He couldn't cut it molars dollars over the hill. He's got the Biden stuff going on Pu Kook you saw it you saw it. He's it's sad it was a sad cya for the guy so bar has has to take care of it protects whoever it needs to protect it seems as clear as day. Komi bought Badboy move along. Please okay yes what about him. bars got a part. He's going to a party. I just thought this story was so stupid. It was not played by the mainstream which surprises me but it was played on democracy now because you know they're the against all things trump. The Washington Post is reporting attorney. General William Bar is planning a thirty thousand Dollar Holiday Party at Trump International for National Hotel in Washington. DC The event is reportedly not an official Justice Department party and we'll be paid for directly by bar critics say although the event that would not be a legal violation it skirts unethical line Maryland and the district of Columbia previously argued in a lawsuit foreign governments and other entities patronize the trump hotel in order to curry favor with the president putting other businesses at a disadvantage a violation of the emoluments clause wait you're incorrect incorrect because the mainstream did play because I have the same report from MSNBC to get their take on it. I wonder if it'll be different out and this falls into category of just looking weird the Attorney General Bill Bar apparently book book trump's. DC Hotel for two hundred Person Holiday Party in December that could have revenue attached to have thirty thousand dollars. I'm just I'm not a lawyer. I know people are going to say this is a highly inappropriate but it doesn't even pass the smell test. It's just weird or there's a lot of hotels in DC where you're gonNA have a party. The person who works at the Justice Department who it wasn't speaking officially because again this is this is the the Attorney General's Private Party and not a Justice Department event Justice Department official. said that the only the reason he selected the trump hotel a few blocks from the White House is because the other big hotels fancy hotels in in downtown Washington. were booked doesn't break a lot as you say. It's just kind of weird but there would have been another option here which is just don't have the party this. There's a lot of stuff that falls into the category these days they didn't bring up emoluments clause wrongly slash him but the thing is since they kind of said well they. He said they were all book. That's what they had to do with the trump. Dick checked every place else. She confirmed that by calling him one of the hotel knocks you guys booked for this day but just so they can do some actual reporting instead of just sitting there and blathering no giant do that did she. Now the whole thing is like it's also possible that trump just gave him a deal. I would think so yeah you work for the guy who owns a hotel. I mean but but honestly bars stupid why would he do this. Trump is stupid to the next g seven. Oh let's have it at the Durrell wral. I mean yeah it may be. The best place in your people may have found that to be the perfect spot is better than anywhere else else top world-class but you're a moron for doing that. I disagree really that now. I think it's the sometimes you gotTa just do maybe good distraction material well. It's going to be great for the show but it puts everybody in a foul mood and if they didn't do it at dat place or he didn't do the party at all like was the option. MSNBC had a have a party. I don't know why I done parties and you do parties many feel like yeah yeah and so he doesn't do the party does do the party. I don't see at this point. What difference does it make okay and time to leave now because now we're quoting Hillary Clinton? Although you left out did put in this point yes she did not throw us off so don't blow your cover. That's ladies and gentlemen. Children of all ages is our show for today. Of course we look forward forward to seeing you again. On the second Thursday of the week that'll be two days after my birthday and you should remember the show for that date for the Thursday his day by going to divorce dot org slash in supporting and after all. It's your podcast so we'd appreciate if you can keep this going and yeah well. You never know what will happen. Today's show all bets are off. Anything could take place and holiday. It's not coming when you for opportunities zone thirty three here. 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A Loud Boom

Bomber

26:20 min | 1 year ago

A Loud Boom

"Bomber describes the real life. Man hunt for a serial bomber the events are sometimes graphic and intended for mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. A few minutes before seven AM on Friday, March second twenty eighteen thirty nine year old Anthony Steffen house noticed a cardboard box on his front porch. The husband and father of an eight year old probably didn't give it too much thought. It's a pretty common sight a plane cardboard box with an address label. You can imagine quiet Texas morning on the east side of Austin sounds at neighbors cars children school buses, just starting to come just another morning, whatever neighborhood noises there were that March morning, the next sound would be that of an explosion, an awful terrifying. Boop term in the something exploding at about six fifty. I heard a loud and food at sounded what I describe as like. Mt. Trash dumps are getting hit by Trump. It was just a really loud deep. Boom. I'm and it shouldn't the windows. I just froze for a second. And then my initial reaction was to protect my son. It was just a loud loud. Boom. Juice puckett. This is bombing. Jude now. Over the course of this podcast. I'll tell you the inside story of the hunt for the Austin bomber a search that would last nineteen days while the city remained on edge. And the nation watched him wondered who is behind this where will they strike next? And what if this happened in my hometown? March twenty eighteen I was working at cave, you that's Austin's ABC affiliate. I covered local Austin news like music festivals robberies police investigations, local politics, but the Austin bombings hit me personally. I know it was the same for all of us at the station. Just like a lot of people in Austin as the attacks continued we were scared confused angry and still doing our job to cover the news. It was terror that held over a long period of time. We had a community that was absolutely on edge not knowing when the bomber may strike again or wear. On the morning of March second twenty UT my colleague Jake Wallace was just finishing up his life shots for the morning show live Austin 'Jay wallets gave us a Jade been at the station for about a year and a half as a morning reporter. He's up before most of us going through what's happened overnight. Then he typically heads out to cover the next story of the day before shifting. It's a lot of stuff happens. A lot of bad things happen right there. Shootings spray cans. There's fires. There's car chases. That'd been crime happens late at night. Right. That's just a reality. There's also a chance that things aren't actually as bad or as big as you think many times, we get called out to scenes, and it ends up being for example, a family disturbance or a husband and a wife had an argument. It's a one time thing it wraps up. Someone goes to jail. And then you move onto the next day. News is always moving always changing that morning. Jay was sent out to northeast Austin. Or news of an explosion could come in. Do you need? What's going on? My neighbor some exploded or something. He's there's blood everywhere annual. It's immediately. I heard this on this lead everywhere. Okay. So there was an explosion. Then. How many people are hurt? My neighbor. How many just one one yet man child is he around majority is he awake? Another though he has not awake is. He breathing. Yeah. Definitely. He is freezing. Okay. Good. I thirty any kind of fire anything. One of the neighbors went in the house, and he didn't see anything. Okay. Hold on. Everybody needs to stay out of the house j Wallace was the first TV reporter on the scene. One person is in the hospital after an explosion at home caves j Wallace is live right away. He noticed that. Austin police chief Brian Manley. Was there whenever he is on a scene. That's when you know, it's just a little bit bigger than normal. It just makes your eyebrows raised just a little bit like all right Brian Manley's here. So he wants to make sure and get this, right? And tell us what's going on. And he wants to be at the front of the story. I was in my office early that morning, and I had received notification that there had been an explosion at a residence in northeast Austin. And my initial thought like most police chiefs, I think initial thought would have been is, you know, we had a hot water heater exploded we had someone that was welding too, close to the tanks or something your first thought is not that you've necessarily had the type of attack that we had here in March twenty eighteen Brian Manley was the interim police chief y. Watching over what he describes as the fifth safest major city in America. But as soon as I got the initial reports that spoke of a victim being down and spoke of debris field with trap Noel, it became obvious. What had happened? So I did immediately respond to the scene when caves j Wallace got to the scene. He went to work looking for information. A stretcher is soon rolled away, and it becomes clear. Someone is hurt. Jay starts talking to the neighbors talking about just how loud the explosion was that morning. That was you know, the big a big part of that story that day before we really knew what was going on just what people heard, and it was just just a loud explosion. That people didn't know what it was someone caused it. If it was an accident. One of those neighbors is Sean Phillips. He lived next door to the home of Stephan house where the blast took place I ran outside. And I saw him standing over there. He was glazed over and like didn't really have a very responsive and responding to sing me or hearing anything he collapsed. I gave him to rescue breasts. Get breathing again. And. Called nine one one. And did what they told me. They had us rollover. Another. Neighbor helps me get him rolled over despite this swift response neighbors in the MTV's. Stephan house was later pronounced dead responded to a man in his forties with traumatic injuries. He later died at Saint David's round. Rob who seemed like a good guy. He took our gets to his daughter's birthday party. Brought my son back when he wasn't feeling good. Some sort of an explosion from a device on the home front porch. Jay learns that houses. Eight year old daughter was inside the homes front door when the blast went off. She escaped injury. But she likely sought all habits. I actually seen him in a convincing afterwards for morning reporter j Wallace maybe the deadly blast was just another tragic headline in the daily news cycle. Some people thought he could have just been something of a house a tank that exploded on accident, you know, down a water heater or something. I mean, everything was up in the air. It could have been anything in. There was a bunch of speculation. But part of that speculation was this might not even be anything. At the scene. The blast crime scene tape went up investigators swarmed the yard for traces of evidence. Another one of my cave. You colleagues was hearing the news of the blast that day. My name is Tony Plaid's gate. I'm a reporter for cave, you news and the Austin American statesman, and I've been a reporter in Austin for nineteen years. Tony didn't know what yet. But he would eventually be consumed by the story in the weeks and months to come. There was very little information about what the package was made up after after that first explosion what we know though, is that federal agents drove up from Houston and San Antonio and here in Austin, and they actually spent hours with tweezers going through the yard going through the grass picking up pieces of debris. And then the the remnants were flown to Washington DC where they were essentially reassembled. So that Thorndike's could figure out what the bomber had used to make. The device while Tony certainly heard about the news of the blast other reporters were covering the breaking news that day. He was aware that there weren't many details coming from police. It was described as a package bomb that was left at his front door. He was a dad basically suburban dad who opened his door found this package and opened it and it exploded and killed him. He eventually learned how horrific Stephan houses, injuries were a neighbor later described that he was so wounded that when this neighbor started a CPR, they didn't really know where to start CPR because of the extent of his injuries. We made the decision at the scene that ATF would take lead on processing the explosive device. They were going to transport all of the evidence to their lab again. Because it's it's the expertise. They actually have any ended ATF e for explosives, this is their area of expertise. They were working to identify the components. That were used to construct that bomb and then to work backwards to try and identify where they may have been obtained with ATF going through the debris and bomb fragments cheese. Manley in the Austin police went to work canvassing the neighborhood. We're fortunate that with all the technological advancements. There are a lot of people that have either home security cameras or the ring doorbells and other companies doorbells that that capture these images. So there was a lot of work being done as we do in homicide cases trying to uncover any possible evidence we may have video evidence or again witness evidence that might have seen something suspicious in the newsroom, we started learning more about Stephan house, family members and his friends described him as a pretty unassuming, man. We know that he went to a local high school in Austin suburb called flu Greville was a graduate of Texas State university. He had also we understand served on his homeowners board for his local neighborhood and. In fact, is police started investigating that was one of the angles. They were looking at they wanted to find out whether or not because of his role on the homeowners association if that maybe had led to some acrimony from someone in the neighborhood who could have possibly have targeted him. But that theory didn't yield any real evidence either. The police department was doing more of the the door to door conversations. But but also looking for any of the evidence really working on identifying the victimology in this case, that's really where a homicide investigation starts again. It's understanding your victim understanding their acquaintances anybody that might have a reason to want to do them harm. And so a lot of that work was being done in those early days again trying to establish a potential motive so that would lead us to possible suspects. Hey, if you're in a stories like bomber if you like hearing the story behind the headline check out start here. It's a daily news podcast from ABC news breaking down a handful of the biggest storylines of your day Owen. Twenty minutes from events unfolding in real time. Entire town is demolished to our biggest investigations low. Robert muller. Michael Cohen calling. I'm Brad milkey from ABC news. And my mission is simple to get you. Smart fast. So start here. Subscribe on apple podcasts over ever, you're listening. Now, Erica proffer is also an investigative reporter at cave you and after moving to the city several years ago, she says she's proud to call Austin home. I love Austin. I love Austin because of the diversity I came from a small town where. It's rural Alabama. So for me. Austin was the big city like Tony pled ski Erica heard about the explosion. But as an investigative reporter. She wasn't covering the story at the time. It didn't really come across our radar as far as, hey, this may be a a big investigative piece because we just didn't know Neo police were saying that it was an isolated incident. And there wasn't really anything at that that first explosion. That said, hey, this may be a bigger deal. I think law enforcement was pretty baffled by the first explosion. There weren't many clues. I was getting information from law enforcement sources that they were chasing a number of different tips a number of different possible lease, but really none of them really panned out. They were looking at whether or not this was a case of mistaken identity, whether or not Stephan house may have been linked and accurately. So to a drug raid that had happened in that neighborhood. And so that was one. Big theory that police went down early in the investigation, and there were others as well. But none of them really lead anywhere, but up and down the northeast Austin street where the device exploded people were nervous and asking questions what had caused the explosion that killed their neighbor, a seemingly mild mannered husband and father with someone targeting house in his family. It's breaking to be honest, especially the fact that the house is so close to where I live. It's right down the street. If he Hoss's down is really safe neighborhood. You don't really expect anything like that to happen here for neighbors on houses street, the fear was palpable. Certainly for Sean Phillips rushed into the street and tried to revive the dying father had some some acute trauma symptoms and jumpy and having some flashbacks of whatnot. If you lived in we're around Austin, Texas on that March day and followed the news you would have heard about the explosion. You might have wondered or thought about the innocent victim who was behind the blast. The police chief says APD has no reason to believe at this early stage of the investigation that this is anything beyond an isolated incident or anything related to a terrorist attack. It's being investigated as a homicide. Police say there are no other injuries. The federal ATF was brought him very early in the investigation because it did deal. With an explosion. The FBI was notified as well. But law enforcement decided pretty early in the investigation that they did not think that this was an act of terrorism. And so the Austin police department essentially maintain control of the case, this was a pretty basic homicide investigation. As far as the Austin police department was concerned with of course, the unique circumstance that it involved an explosive device, but they definitely thought that this was a criminal at and very much targeted at once specific person. But then suddenly the focus of the investigation changed. Police had a new theory police are now back what they want classified as a murder there now labeling suspicious. Authorities actually floated the idea that perhaps that this was an accidental death that he may have constructed the device himself or may have been working with this blow Cives himself an accident caused the injuries to himself. It was a notion that really did. Upset houses family. They said that there was simply no way that that could have happened. Neuro would describes himself as Stephen houses brother houses, family took him into their home when he was in high school. He in house were friends at school. And even though he was older than him. Wayne would looked up to house. He remembers when he got the call. Working in oil fields and in New Mexico homes imam called me with tears in her voice in chief type of woman. She doesn't cry. I just turned around if I need you to come home. And I wa was wrong, and she has been killed. And so I just froze in his gathered about quitting. Latham Jove like seven hours to get there. One of the most considerate people. I know. So it is really he's really loving person. I mean, that's that's how we met. That's how we became best friends eventually became brother wants him and mom took me in because is it get ridiculed for the clothes? I'll work allows NFL to home, and he would act me his clothes that his mom bought the me. So where I'm during school, and she found it out to a couple of weeks ago. She's got she's like all those years. So it. So once they will have to while she took me in and they became family, and it started with him up running together and being Francis school. House had literally given Norell the clothes off his back. So to find out that he had been killed suddenly and without any explanation was devastating like a lot of people who knew house, and they're all didn't believe what police were saying about his brother that he has set it off. It was more like a slap in the face. We know who is we know who you is is a man as a father a brother as a son has a husband. We all knew years in med wasn't who he was. And for that to even be a possibility, especially put into the public without having any reason at all. To bring that up. There was nothing that even sent them in that direction to make those assumption, especially publicly. Was like they're just trying to Cirque the responsibility, they told the public is nice little incident, not leave how they? You know? And I said this then and it wasn't just because he was my brother I believed that they should have put people on highly regarded until they know better. And just assume we tried not to limit our focus at the scene of that that first bombing. We tried to understand as we do in any investigation. What the possible motive may be. Oftentimes, you have to start with looking at who the victim was to understand who may want to do them harm. And so in the early hours. That's what we were trying to do is learn more about the victim of that. I assault Mr. house, and again, tried to establish a possible motive if that was the case though, that house had set off the device neighbors were now even more concerned since I heard it switched to suspicious death was like where it's like, you know, it felt like they were going to put less attention. We learned a little about the device. It was packed in a simple cardboard box and it detonated. When house opened the box. But police still weren't sharing many details about the explosive itself. And there's a good reason for that. It's a pretty basic tenant of any police investigation. You don't tell the public too many details. The details only the suspect would know. In the meantime, bomb fragments collected back at the site of the explosion. We're going under the microscope in Washington DC the analysis of bomb. Fragments could answer some critical questions. Acquire. But the material and the the actual casing argue acquire. If not can we start tracking down on them in the area of often Jimmy Oxley is a professor of chemistry at the university of Rhode Island. She sets off explosions for a living even has a license to do it. And she can tell a lot about a bomb by looking at the exploded fragments. I there's physical evidence. You know, I mean. Are the a gas tank? What was the material if it's literally a pipe that was purchased lead to back to an area of the country where the material was purchased. If it was military that might leave new down a whole different path if it was homemade material purses a commercial Bill commercial. There's a chemical analysis often they're eight visible residue. Of the material that wasn't side. Even if it's not visible. There's often enough trace residue stuff. You can't see that. When they take it back to the lab they can identify. What was us amazingly? Sometimes there are fingerprints. They will cover up a murder I burning the place down, and I don't think ever works. And I'm sure that if there are some places in the whole device where a fingerprint hands revive talks about a pipe bomb as a general term, but the basic idea with this mall bomb is that the explosive material is packed in some type of enclosed casing when a pipe bomb. Detonates the casing used or the pipe will explode and go fly. Annika fortunate vocation tend to you, and if someone wants to do real damage pipebombs or sometimes packed with other materials, and then you have the guys that purposely paste meals on the outside of film unfolds or something so that they have those dragnets rest assured, we're not sharing any devious secrets here. It's all a quick Google search away, and that's part of the problem. Bad guys can find step by step instructions for pretty much anything on the internet back in Austin. It was becoming clear to me, and my colleagues that Austin police did not have much to go on as in any criminal investigation. Unless there's an obvious lead. They have to look at all possible angles. But those weren't panning out. I there was the idea that Stephan house was somehow mistakenly linked to a drug bust and the blast had to do with that. Then there was houses involvement with his homeowners association. Maybe there was. Some bad blood there. And then the idea that house it triggered the explosion himself. But that's seemed to bring up all kinds of questions. Why would he be toying around with an explosive device on the front porch of his home was he known to build such devices? Was there any evidence turns out that theory ran cold to and then no one had any answers. We continued asking questions of law enforcement what they were finding, but it really became a deepening mystery people really did want to know how this happened. Why this happened a week went by we didn't learn many new details. Still no answers still no suspects and outside of houses neighborhood life in Austin, pretty much got back to normal that was all about to change. And it wasn't until the morning of March twelfth when we started to get some clue that this was part of something big or going on the first nine one one call came in early on Tuesday March twelfth or. Around six forty five AM about the same time of day. The first bomb had exploded. And. Flowed wrote it in the house and meeting ever wet. Oh my God. I was in in the house people injured, they open a pack in Florida from outside. 'cause my grandson is not breed. I had gotten up that morning around six thirty. And my phone started ringing and was volun- forcement officials describing a second bomb that had just gone off. And that that moment it became a real turning point because it became clear at least to me that this was going to develop into a bigger new story. So I reached out actually in that moment to my bosses and told them that I was getting on board that I was making phone calls and trying to figure out what law enforcement, we're learning about that explosion to Wallace was once again called out to the scene. Another suburban street on the east side of Austin on the way, there his mind raced would I remember doing those in the car with my photographer reading up and reminding myself and refreshing, my memory of that first explosion on our way to the second one. Police hadn't said anything. Official yet. But Jay fell pretty sure the attacks were related. It's too coincidental. Within this. I think ten day span if I remember correctly within a couple of weeks, you can't have these two things that are so out of the ordinary happen in similar manners. In the way that the explosions were similar in how they were described and everything there's just that gut feeling. All right. We might have something bigger on her hands. I was at my desk when I got the call that we had another explosion in a neighborhood, and that we had victim. And it was in that moment that I absolutely recognized that we had someone attacking our city because you do not have to bombs carried out in the way that these were without someone being responsible, it it was immediately evident that we had someone that was attacking our city, and you're thinking how many more did this person or persons plant overnight? How many more unsuspecting people may go out front and handle a package and stuff? For the kind of injuries or or loss of life that we've already seen once once we knew that we had a possible serial bomber that is when everything ramped up, really really fast. Next time on bomber. You can't even emotionally process a wrap your head around. This this whole past ten days has been like we're just want answers to know what happened to our neighbor into what what's happening to the other people in Austin, you can have terror strike in a moment. And we knew the time was of the essence again because of the unpredictability of when and where the bomber may strike next. Dude bomber is a production of false studios in collaboration with Katie were available on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Our executive producer is well Johnson. My thanks to the people of Austin, my colleagues, a cave you in the men and women of the Austin police department for taking part in this podcast. Join us next week for two. Pardon?

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Bomb-Sniffing Cyborg Locusts (featuring Mercedes Terrell and Jade Bryce)

The Ross Bolen Podcast

1:35:21 hr | 6 months ago

Bomb-Sniffing Cyborg Locusts (featuring Mercedes Terrell and Jade Bryce)

"The you back the welcome to episode two hundred sixty eight of the Ross Bohlin podcast otherwise known as RV to six eight presented by bowling media. I'm your host Ross. Bohlin joined today by co-hosts Anthony Johnson and jared Borislav Boys. Have you been as going good? Don't get yeah. I don't usually sit in this seat. I don't know if I've ever switch things up. Yeah good suit for you though. Well the reason I switched it and I'll be completely honest. is If you watched the youtube videos of these podcasts dot com slash bowling media. Yeah whenever I sit on in one of the seats that is sideways. Does that sideways to the camera. Sir My flab is obviously just sir not on you though. The camera adds twenty pounds. Everybody knows that yes well. It's actually skeleton only adds it to like the one part of my body that I don't want it added to everything else. Looks Fine Tom? Tom My flat by got my my Amorphous Blob. He got chicks are into that. Uh apparently you've heard of the dad. The Dad bought a lot of merch sold. You don't even though I don't have a no yeah dead soon to be. Aj your stomach looks great. Joe Gone off their Monster Energy. Right now man. Oh Jesus while you're all tra- oh God. Yeah I'm charged up right now. Let's do okay guys. You want your story in charge. I went and got some coffee earlier with a friend this morning to do a little bit of charging myself when I came back to my house. It's about a block away this coffee Shop Austin job jared. Yeah Yeah love this place all the time right next to my grip on the way back to my house. And I'm in my car and I'm about to turn on my street and I see an Austin PD SUV Austin Police Department police crippen directly in front of my house. I mean right in front of the mistake. How reaping are we talking like a mile? An hour grow no worst kind of creepy possible. Like he's not looking at anything else. It is for sure my house so I keep driving right. I start to freak out a call. My Dad I'm like Dad I got. I've been arrested too many times in my life. A I've been listening to majority rap music for the better part of twenty five years so I'm admittedly paranoid of the police and I spent four years on probation. I had enough one night trips to Hayes County and multiple night trips to Harris County jail to where I I'm trying to avoid the police at all costs. Okay I call my dad. I'm frigging I'm like just in case. I don't know what's going on if I get popped for something here. Bailing my ass out of jail. He's done it many times before. What's one more? It's been about a decade since I got in trouble with the police. It's been about probably three years since I spoke to a cop for any reason other than the police who listen to this show in. Dm Me and Shit Which shouts and I appreciate. Y'All so I'm freaking out. And he's like yeah. Sure whatever so. I parked like I park like probably four hundred yards from my house in this apartment complex in the parking lot and I go on foot and I've got my Coffee Cup right so I've got an excuse if they're like. Why are you walking up to your house? Where's your vehicle? I'm a be like why was it this coffee shop Bro. Free Country. Get off my Dick Right good excuse so I turned the corner on foot this time right and I get a view of my house. Bad News the amount of cops have doubled what there is now a second Austin. Pd SUV the first one is parked directly in front of my driveway. Bucking locking your editing entrance or exit vehicle the second one is directly behind him there blocking you in these fuckers are I mean prepaid maneuver like they're going they're going to smash your car or they say they swatting me like. I don't know what they're doing. America's most wanted. Yeah it was a fugitive. This was not good So like I've called the audible parked my car down the street. And if you're listening and you're like what are you scared of like? I smoke very very stinky marijuana. But that's most the Austin so right. Okay here's a thing I'm GONNA I'M GONNA family neighbor it okay I'm in a house. My neighbor's got kids and shit like the dude directly to my left is a single guy like me right. He's he didn't have no kids the guy directly to my right. It's him and his girl. They don't have any kids but all the other houses around us kids everywhere. They're all Mormon in the shit. They're not Mormon should I? Smoke is stinky. Okay it's very very smelly. Everybody within ten house radius of my backyard is aware that I smoke weed so the way I figure it. It's entirely possible. One of these people who has had enough they're seeking me sin and smoke signals literally every night and they're like fuck this guy and they call the police. I don't know now. It's been decriminalised in Austin. So it's like getting a speeding ticket. If you get caught with pot they come for me for pot. I don't know man. I'm paranoid I'm flipping out. So what do I? I gotTA fucking. I'm wearing sweat. Pants uses sunglasses carrying a coffee cup. And I'm I'm just I'm walking is confidently and but at the same time trying not to be intimidating. I don't want him to think. I'm bum rushing the cars so I got to be confident and then also shocked so I kept making like that so I kept looking at him going like as I'm walking up right so I've got another hundred yards and I'm still moving. I keep trying to make faces glimpses. Be they'll see oh. He sees so confused. He's done nothing wrong. That's like the face of a a dog makes when you're holding a tree and they're like what. Why are you not giving me the treat like okay like what you're if you're a boss you just walk in and be like Yo? You got a problem here. So that's what I did. Do we have a problem with? Oh I didn't say that because I'm not insane but I walked directly up to the COP car and as I'm walking up and I'm like doing all my confusing faces. I'm like yeah. So he knows like this this dude so so safe you know he hits me with like Yeah Okay. You can approach. And I'm like fuck his cups. I gotTa Big Dick. This is not good. This is not good. He rose down his window and his bro- couldn't be more like ready for me. He's like yeah. Can I help you I'm I I'm I live here man. I'm I'm just what's up. What's going on he was like? Oh well there's a yeah. There's a kid walking around your neighborhood and with a blue hat in a backpack on and he just tried to break into this woman's house about six houses down and your neighbors back doors open and I was like my neighbor's back doors open. Oh Shit. Miami door's always open. He lets dog. They're like Oh. His dog has no jaw highs his team his tongue just hanging out because I guess they went and looked in his and I was like. Yeah Yeah he leaves the door open to his dog can go in and out. They were like okay cool. You're going to be home today. I was like yeah. I'm going to be home most of the afternoon. I'm got some worship but I'll be back there like just keep an eye out. Keep an eye on what the. Keep an eye out for a burglar. Now I'm the cops what they should do and then I said I was like Oh man. Y'All scared the shit out of me and I'm Shakin fucking top POPs off my coffee rolls under the COPS car. And he's like one hundred car. Didn't ya down to your son. Why are you so nervous? He's like you want me to put forward nose like no no. No grab it when you leave. He's like yeah. I'm not going to be leaving for a minute. I was like bitter forward. Then he's like okay so he can tell like I'm nervous. I'm not high at this point by the way I'm completely sober. I'm just shook it's fucking. Police hate the police. I love your respect. You but don't come fuck with me man and I asked him pointblank. Hey you know next time. You'll have like a reason to come out here. Would you mind park in front of my neighbor's house? You're checking on his house. Why are you in front of my house? You scared the shit out of me and then I asked him for a fresh pair of underwear. I went along my way. You're shaking so much that it might rip blocked. Your coffee shop feels like wait a second. You ause bowling and he just looks you up in the system Austin PD Bro. I appreciate you offered being thorough checking everybody's houses in my neighborhood or whatever holy crap don't Park in front of my house word of advice though you need show with smoking. I loud because like I walked to work. Sometimes I can. I can smell it the miles away. That's what I'm saying. I just know as Ross walk outside and I just smell it and I'm like Oh this is Ross again. It's the narrowed said most of the city's my neighbor's been smoking that loud lately. It's it's loud said it before I'll say it again. Weeds problem remains the same as it's been forever Smelly Hill. You just can't do it. It's like alcoholics. Got One thing right with vodka. They found a way to be drunk all the time without anybody smelling that Shit. We got nothing. Edibles edibles edibles get a pin. Don't you get a pin won't use get fuck you. It's not the same. Hi how I feel like alcohol does smell your breath though you know what it's like. It's like suggesting that somebody who likes beer. Why don't you slam shots vodka? That's completely different method. That's insane fucking waste. Just take edibles fucking nuts. If you've ever taken edibles you just WanNa take edibles everyday all day. Plus your tolerance builds too quickly that way and then you go insane next thing you know. You're trying to open a plane door while the planes in the sky for me. Okay I thought WHO's elderly? Nba Player? Right yeah it was that was in free on whiteside or something wasn't whiteside nobody on the heat. But he's not around the heat anymore. Let's follow him. Most most of the NBA has attempted to take edibles and open an airplane mid flight at this point I think most of the NBA allegedly speaking allowed. You know Canada's working on an odorless we'd right now. I don't know if it's been a finished or confirmed or whatever yet. They're actually smoking quiet. It's like asking for quiet there. It's like asking for the it's like. I want the smell problem to go away but then I feel like if they do find a way I'll feel like I'm drinking non alcoholic beer when I smoke weed and I. It's just part of the experience. I don't know you know in Austin is almost I picked. Poisons smell like weed or like whiskey late at night on sixth street lingers in the air everybody's smells like substance in this fucking place. P to sixty eight is brought to you by Felix Gray constantly. Have my face in a screen for morning tonight. My computer right now is four screens pointed at me at the moment. 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I'm sorry let me rephrase the Natalie's amend was that it's from scary movie it's from the Budweiser commercial. Scary movie was parodying the Budweiser correct correct. So she's fired she's like eighteen. You know she's a kid we also don't pay her so she's an we don't know. I could pay millions of dollars. She probably makes more than you man. She makes more than bill combined and I need to raise them. Yeah you don't even know though. But seriously natalie if you ever if you ever cut you. President Abraham Lincoln did not enjoy retirement. Richard Nixon did not enjoy impeachment. The population of China's one point four three nine billion I segment insane headlines of the day. What we got today. Here's a weird. One nintendo playstation is real and you can bid on it for four hundred and twenty thousand dollars really and sixty nine cents nice no but the Nintendo playstation which is obviously Nintendo and playstation Sony playstation. These are totally separate companies in our brains right There is apparently Nintendo playstation that exists like an Apple Galaxy S. ten or something. It's a real thing and you can buy one when you say intendo. Nintendo is a company. What model are you talking about the Nintendo playstation? Yeah Nintendo sixty four. It was a collaboration between no. No no it was. This is literally a Nintendo playstation. A collaboration between Nintendo and Sony and then in the late nineteen eighties and early nineties. Sony wanted to get into the video game business so it struck a deal with Nintendo to forge the super disc format an add onto the that would allow it to disc based games as well as music CDs. That system was the Nintendo playstation. That's crazy that's pretty early on to you. Say the late. Eighty s early ninety. Yeah yeah they're like way ahead of themselves. Yeah so apparently there were about two hundred prototype units of the Nintendo playstation before the partnership got torched and this is the last surviving one and you can bid on it for a low four hundred and twenty thousand dollars including a twenty percent buyer's fee if I added in the sixty nine cents would that make me the highest bidder or is now they're like you know five grand minimum raise. Oh I see 'cause four twenty An- sixty nine. Yeah that's okay you know I wanna I wanNA assume that. The nintendo playstation inspired the SEGA dreamcast. I don't know. Is that a wild theory. Yes probably could've happened because I mean the dreamcast came out what mid-nineties. I'm not following your thought you line of logic. Well I'm just an hour. This is the take was the conversation dreamcast disc based it was it was it was displays. Weren't they small? Discs listens cute. Little disc we actually rated all of the video game cartridges on grants gaming once we definitely include those in there. I think the mini disc is high up there the the game cube right. Well yes game. Keep also the PS p. mini discs side of a little plastic container with. No maybe dreamcast. Were normal sized CDs were. I don't remember I'm not positive. Next headline bomb-sniffing Cyborg Lucas bomb-sniffing cyborg locusts with a question with a period. They really mail that headline. Yes that this is the laziest headline in the world. But the important thing is the sign have found a way to turn locusts. You know the bugs that fly around night making annoying ask noise also the ones that are plagued pharaoh and the Egyptians. Yeah that was that was. That was a play. Moses had to do it to him okay was. He wouldn't let us people go and you have to you. Get the locus bray things. I think it was God was but it was Moses. He was there okay. He was an agent of God. Look the locusts are back. And they're being turned into explosive sniffing cyborgs. In a study funded by the US Navy. Apparently the ideas to hijack the insects incredible sense of smell rather than coming up with an artificial detection method from scratch. They're creating bio robots by implanting electrodes into their brains locusts. This is like Rick. And morty bit yeah it really does sound like the plot of an episode. It brings a real. I think they're having episode like that right. Our Navy gave sums. It sounds similar. I'M PRETTY SURE. Navy gave them seven hundred and fifty grand in twenty sixteen to start conducting research about how to do this. Are we just blowing money like that man? Spend it on a boats where tax dollars go dude. Spend IT ON SOME EASIER. Jabe on anything but this the locusts that now sniff bombs the cool thing is apparently. This is GonNa work. What you don't know that I know it sounds like so far. They're stoked on. The results of disease locus. Oh is that. Is that what the scientists are saying? They're asked stoked and these results man they're adept at spotting explosives. It took them only quote a few hundred milliseconds exposure to recognize explosive. Vapors locusts do. Hey I cover the explosive vapors then they come for the loud vapors your your screwdrivers man's best friend this whole time. We thought it was dogs. But you know what those are. We GonNA that. I'd rather a local going there in that situation and a dog. That's what I'm saying. Now we know who cares about locus. We're getting the dogs as billion harm's way. Yeah and we've got locus going in. This is a good thing. Yeah it's huge for us. Save the dogs man. The after the locusts sniff vapor they high kissed. Jesus Christ the other question I have. Why don't we just turn them into bomb? Forget the sniffing part locust so just like they're they explode like we opened up the cage and all the locusts flying explode. Oh so you WANNA have bomb locusts. Yeah you know. Why are we not turning? Bugs like unwanted animals into explosives mosquitoes. Peter you got an answer mosquito bombs that sounds terrible Zyuganov bombs just strap a fucking. Yeah no we need to use some of these mosquitoes at that. You WanNa you WANNA strap alive skunk onto a bomb or you WanNa make a skunk you WANNA put a bomb inside of this guy. I want millions of Nanno suicide vest strapped to mosquitoes who then fly in in large quantities. Get a big horde of him to the explosion is big enough ladder. Nanno explosives explosives and And then you send him in. And that's it that's it. What about this if you take a bunch of mosquitoes and just inject them with the West Nile virus and put them in a Fox and just dump them somewhere but then West Nile naturally the first time? Oh yeah that's how it that's the mosquitoes. They did that. Well at the mad cow disease. That's happened is somebody. Somebody showed them the result of a soccer match and they got mad and then there was an England and then they and then they went and killed one of the cows and then what that does to them by the way. It's pretty disgusting brains and Shit. It's fucking boy. Isn't it people who eat the cow? Brains are the main people affected with the cow's brains are very affected they actually do come become a very fucked up leaving cow brain a lot of people that don't see. I don't know if a delicacy but it's IT'S EATEN. You know people every organ in the ground beef they're eating you know there's probably in Taco bell this parts to get the locusts to go where the team wanted him to go. They place them. In tiny wheeled robots that could be driven around as it was at a hover board an RC. Car and then sound made up to you. I mean this entire thing sounds made up. But which specifically I'm scared and be designed by TYCO or weaving had bomb sniffing locus. Come on be like New York Times. This is this is from future. Ism I is that a reputable site. Look here's something recent. Pbs Did a episode of SITEX. Show about the bomb sniffing sniffing locust back in in in two thousand seventeen now. It's real bro. Look there's a picture of one with the tiny sniffing Th computer chip. Yeah okay I got a press playing. This is ridiculous. That's that's literally like the most stereotypical looking computer chip you've ever seen they strapped like it's like if I went to What's the name of the Radio Shack and I said? Hey can I have any computer chip and then I stuck it on a grasshopper? That's what this looks at. I've heard I've heard bugging but this is ridiculous. Yeah no in it. How is it GonNa? I wish we had volume on this. But then we'd be stealing content from PBS. And I get sued the public. Well here's the thing it's real I didn't make it up in my brain. It's a real thing I didn't get had by the Internet. That's the only thing that matters coming out of this segment other than if see a small locust coming at you with software chip attached to. Its back for run but make sure your mom on you. You should yeah you should run away from the Lucas Right. Like people say the closer you know. It's like the keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer. The closer to the locus. You are the safer you're well unless you're following the locust towards a bomb in that scenario. You're doing that that's not what am. I sniffed the bomb. And now it's going the opposite direction. I feel like the whole point of this is that the locust will go to the bathroom and stay there whether or not the bomb detonates. I don't think I don't think the surviving I don't think there's any of the seven hundred fifty thousand dollars into this is being put towards. How do we keep the locust alive? I don't think so that we can use them. I'm pretty sure that's why they picked. Locusts is because they don't care 'cause there's a billion of very cheap labor than us locusts maybe the insect that has been the most like universally shat upon in the history of insects. I'm just GONNA say locust lives matter and it's a little bullshit that we're just strapping computer chips to their back and sending them into dirty work. Well you know go talk to Peter that pita Axa Niassa suck. I don't have a sense of smell so I can't do it but one of you. Who is going to have to? You can't smell not really allergies and drugs so you don't even know when you're smoking loud you're not able to. I just don't know or your other senses. The one that I detect ears Myra no rain going completely numb me. Failing to be on the form cohesive thoughts to good indicator. Yeah Yeah. Rb PTA is also brought to you by Bespoke Post. My favorite box of awesome. That they're currently offering right now is called sweat. 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Terrell Jade Bryce the host of the magic. Our podcast spelled M. A. J. I see have joined us. Their mission to uncover lives most coveted truce with the help of world famous guests from all walks of life including health science business. Love and relationships spirituality fitness and more. I'm very excited to be joined by them today. We're GONNA play some First of all we're GONNA have. I asked him a little bit about the airplane situation with the The punching the back seat reclined. They were very familiar. I just show them the video right before we recorded but then we get into some other stuff we play handball hotline calls from Aws Bowl. In that I picked out specifically for Mercedes and jade to address We talk a lot about things like you know. Depression breakup harbory all these different things. But we rarely have a female perspective. Provided right is that mostly mostly penises in here and So it was really cool to get a female take from two women who I I. Respect their point of view and they spend a ton of time talking to a lot of different people to shape their perspectives. In a way that I think allows them to help other people similarly to the way we try to do here So it was very cool to get answers from them in here them respond to some of. Y'All some of these calls got very very deep Which is why we started off as some silly shit today so that we don't end heavy the whole time but we had a lot of fun. Enjoy Mercedes Terrell. Jade Bryce of the magic. Our podcast Mercedes jade. It is great to have you back. I didn't realize how long it had been. How long has it been since last March? Well I am on March. We even longer for you. I guess but you guys do. There was no video last time. You over here. I didn't really realize that you were not forewarned. Now this is just normal level of beauty. I've experienced a year since then. You don't feel like you've experienced a year. I feel like I've experienced a you just following you and I was possible day watching Jay. Good they're a day is like yeah. I couldn't get that much. She's tired hanging out with me literally. Yeah yeah before we into some heavy stuff and take some calls from our listeners and answer some questions I just played a video for. Y'All off off Mike that went viral over the past. Couple of days of this woman sitting in a seat on an airplane reclined against the dude in the last row. Who's WHO's up against. The back cannot recline. He's punching the seat over and over. Everybody in the world is giving their two cents on in their take on this. What what do you do in this situation? If you're that woman either of you who wants to start I wouldn't sit there nothing but if you can't move though you like it you're signed Cedar Whatever Nunez. She's saying she wouldn't sit there not saying anything. Okay so how do you go but see like the thing is I want to talk about like I turn around and go like tell me about your child to try to psychiatric we get to this dude for sure? I would definitely turn around the first word three words I'd say to him are you. You are right which the most powerful words in the English dictionary would you really? This is a hundred percent would do this first of all. They're really pissed and like aggravated. Fuck for like the first twenty minutes of the flight wouldn't just recline. I Don I probably would unwind then be pissed about it. I wouldn't recline no way. Even if you're taking the punches though I would say something to make him stop punching but I would not Enrique Line. I I would have thought it was a little kid behind me without even looking you balding. Yeah and I probably wouldn't even look. I was like oh. It's another kid behind me kicking my seat. I fly like every other day so it is normal occurrence. So like okay. This is GonNa this is GonNa go act like it's a massage chair. Like lady obviously knows because she's filming it so I mean if you know and you know it's a grown man and he's having little Tantrum or whatever then I would definitely find a way to be like Sir you are right. This plane sucks and I feel you and we can come to like some sort of common agreement like you. WanNa have a adult interaction with me where you say. Hey My seat doesn't get to recline. I'm really tall and long leg hid her uncomfortable. We can come to an agreement. I can go you know what. Bro I got you. You're like just God in his Marietta disguises and I see the divine and you know I think that You See. There's a challenge she I it's like get us to chill out and calm down together. Sure to the bigger point though. I think I would ask him if he wanted to. Switch seats with me. Okay but then you can't record. Yeah I know. But then maybe he would feel That lady was really kind and I was really an apple. Yeah and maybe it would change the way. He treated others in the future. Maybe I don't know maybe Darcy. Who BUT JUST IN GENERAL? The airplane seats right. How how do you handle the option to recline on an airplane individually? You sit on a plane you know you can recline unless you're in that back seat do you. Do you recline typically. Always do you ask the person behind you before you recline? I never have because they can recline usually to if they want but if it I've never been in a situation like her where the person behind me can't recline. Yeah I don't know I think also has to do with how long the person's legs are and the comfort. Yeah it's problematic because people have shit judgment right. Yeah and people will pay for the get all of what I paid for. I don't care if anyone else's uncomfortable about you've paid for the ability to recline a lot of people think you should be able to you know ever even thought into the reclining or it's only ever thought of how the armrest that goes in between us because there are people that definitely don't want aren't that armrest down and then there are people who When you do put it down they just take up all that space. Yeah they just go over the arm rest of that. They're still getting and yeah. That's the perisher go half. Yeah okay you know. Some are to the conclusion that if you're in the middle you should get both armrest. I agree if you got a middle C. Yeah because if you've ever been in the Arma of this situation please give the middle seat person who can't even lay their head on the tray or like do any do is. You're getting too because you have one on either side of you. That makes sense so like you're on the window. You already got a window. You're stoked and you can lean on the window. That's full thing. I don't like I'll you can be like away from people. Put your legs out the side. Get Out quick for whatever reason I'll do too so I do too but the middle is is truly. There's nothing more sad than seeing someone in the middle of an airplane head on that you know many times. I've been there and you're so tall I miss. I am so small seen in this world I can curl like this and use my knees as I do. What like a fee gear. I'm very comfortable but my late. Not all planes not spirit sure frontier but for those early years of modeling. I was traveling a lot and sitting on planes and falling asleep. Like that. 'cause like as soon as the plane door close that fall asleep and the back of my leg. Got a blood clot from doing that. Yeah like Bat. Like a really bad massive. My whole body was like die from a blood pressure. I didn't hear I am but I'm just saying I was like. Oh for Specter guest. This is GonNa be interesting but seriously you got a blood clot from sitting that way on an airplane because my legs would fall asleep for hours at a time like. I was out because gift that I felt this. I don't know what this is. Have you ever had your head on the tray and then when you sit up it's like your forehead? Fell Asleep is just time needles in full swing. I have ever felt it's weird especially when you're an altitude of a plane. It's like in that one time I thought I was getting like. I thought I was either doing too much plant medicine. Getting too many of the microcurrent facials and I contacted the SPA and I was like people know they can't get your facials before flying because reaction but it was. Because you had you had on the thing. Yeah that's a weird feeling the funny bone like there's only a few feelings that level. Of course yeah. I don't know what that is but it's it's pretty awful. Well thanks for letting me start with airplane talk. 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Wr Bolan we get an outrageous amount of questions about Relationships people going through breakup heartbreak. That kind of struggle also people dealing with depression and anxiety and such mental health has always a subject. We've attacked but I got. I picked handful of calls that I thought would be good to get a a woman's perspective because obviously we don't provide that often you see because I'm not a woman And y'all are great and these are all right up your alley. So let's tackle. You can only put your headphones on though for for when we listen to the calls and then and then we'll go from there. I'll play the first one. You're ready not quite yet here. We go here's a I. Call Iran Bubba from Ohio. Go Box Got a question for you. I just gotTa have a long term relationship. The girl I wasn't really doing well mentally so I decided to go get help and I really decide. Working Myself Mentor like Jason. I love the girl just time. Right go wrong time question to you is. Can you break up with someone? You have to delete all the photos. Instagram twitter facebook. All that of them I think not because like every part of your life you know like memories us what those sites avoided like show people. What's going on you life if you delete that shit then you kind of just being like saying that something happened good times and bad times. No I think that's that's kind of childish. Not much things hanging gang shy all right so you can take your headphones off. Bubba FROM OHIO. Buckeyes is asking about What is obviously a newer concept? Something that has only become an issue since we were in our teenaged. Which is when you break up with somebody. And you share this documented history on instagram. Or it's mostly instagram right before that was facebook now. It's instagram. Is the place that this is an issue. Yeah There are several schools of thought. Here obviously some people leave all the pictures up and some people. Delete them all Now there are other options like archive So let's let's attack this I in Y'all's in your experience. How have you handled social media in terms of breakup and in terms of? I'm sure you both have different thoughts on on how public your relationship should be on instagram and such as well so I don't know just just hit me either. All that has a thought I agree with him. I think I never take them down. Because it's a part of my story. It's a part of How I influence those who are viewing my page. But I have had partners after after the fact want that to be removed. Because they don't want to be looking at it right And that might be a boundary that they ask for And I still don't like it. I still don't want to take these down because there at the time they were happy memories. Sometimes you look at a photo and you're like yeah we're smiling but that was a really Shit Day And I don't mind taking those down but Sometimes I WANNA leave him up because I don't know what's trip story. Well firstly I wanna say to Bubba anyone else sending you these calls and questions like how amazing that they're being so we'll and we'll just wait. Well I love it that they're willing to lay call in. And even you know having your voice heard by people is sometimes scary so even this leaving. Boyce mail like that About your something that you're so vulnerable about episode just doing that yeah so but to jade's point of when you take this stuff down basically in a sense you might look to the world like you're pretending like that's not your truth and that wasn't your part of your life when it was but at the same time you know. Instagram is very much a fantasy land. If you want it to be like if you want your instagram to be full of just positive stuff right. That's your prerogative and you're allowed to so if this you know. The relationship ended in a way or reminds you in something negative. And you want to not have that. Be a part of your life anymore Then I think it's okay to take that down if the person you're with turned out to be a really not a nice person or I don't know maybe they ended up being a serial killer or something you know you might not want to remember that or an example. I did it a college When I was in College. Instagram didn't exist yet so all of our shared photos were on facebook and in the way facebook operated. At least then I'm not really sure now Was that you would create albums right so like we go out for a weekend and there that weekend. We'll get like an album titled Something Drake Lyric and then it would be filled with all the pictures from that weekend so when we broke up she fucking whatever the version of Clinton yeah. I'm line of me right but I lost all the pictures so like one day I went into facebook and I was like six hundred pictures short. Shit which is gone In for her it was a way of moving on from me. It was part of her. Say That's when you like when we're younger sure when you're breaking up you're checking their age like if they took it down and that means really moving on and if they've left it up and they still want your younger right now After you you know mature a little bit. I think it's more about Just accepting that. That was time in your life and it's not it doesn't mean you still want it around but you're still honoring that part of your story. The weird thing Jay. The you mentioned in I've encountered this as well is that so many of us are insecure with our partners past and our our girlfriend boyfriend husband wife whatever it may be the people. They don't want to see that they take it as like kissing in the photo. Yes I you know. Maybe maybe that makes sense to. It has something to do with the way that we interacted in their relationship. As well like if we were maybe not so proud of all the ways that we were in that relationship. We don't WanNa be reminded of where we weren't perfect. You Know Louis We. We have that problem striving for perfectionism and striving to be. And that's why a lot of what you see on social media is fully authentic so when you can kind of keep that uncomfortable truth out there is probably positive. Influence for anyone WANNA. Maybe it's a good thing. I don't know it's tough. I would say my answer is sort of like I mean you can't take it personal relational. Yeah can't take it personal if your ex decides to go this route because they've decided then how they're dealing with their pain and that's other easing their pain because it's like the role in life is just not take anything personal. Yeah Yeah especially in the way that like most of the things that you take personally and have a problem with actually have nothing to do with you in that circumstance specifically is easy to say. How it doesn't it feels like to the ego because it's a picture. Odu has something to do with you but actually it has nothing to do with you and ask yourself like. Why does it matter right right? Why does it matter if that picture stays up or goes down on the timeline? It still happened. It's the same reason that we think social media matters the fact that we only matters for a little bit too after a little while like think about four xs ago. You don't care if your pictures are still on the just the most recent also we put stuff on there we keep it fresh Because we want to like continually recheck. Our Ego like tell the world here we exist we exist we exist every time you know we someone's moving pictures of me or not posting pictures of me or whatever in a relationship when you someone with your wit does oppose pictures you that's a problem also thing yes you heard me show me off. Yeah though it's the whole question of like when you post a picture on instagram. Let's use Valentine's Day just passed a few days ago. Is it for you is your girl or is it for everybody else for the Joneses scenario? You know like it's because it's different forever. Yeah I might be putting my Valentine's Day post for a totally different reason the new or you know what I'm saying. So it's like these conversations get really difficult judging social media because some people do it healthily. Most of us. Don't yeah what some people do it can be done. I think it's just really really hard. Yeah you're already GONNA call sure headphones Here's our next one. This is Max. I owning worked up right now Twenty years old. I worked as a ranch hand cowboy in on a ranch here in Wyoming so I don't make a lot money don't have greatest living you know but I love my job but I just found out that my girlfriend's pregnant and she's on birth control. We think careful but not careful enough. Evidently and I don't know what I'm GONNA do. Ma'am I'm just kidding. This is terrifying to me. But I don't know I guess after. Throw up quick. You got any advice. I'm taking any of it right now. Thanks welcome show you. The first one was go answer. No I'm just kidding Max from Wyoming Thank you seriously so much again for for calling every single one calls into share your your stuff that it means a lot not just because it takes strength to do it but because you also sharing with other people who need to hear it so Having kids young is obviously a real game. Changer happens to a lot of people. Jade how old were you when you had your first as twenty nine but my mom was like seventeen bomb was seventeen and she had you and my sister had six kids by the time she was thirty. So I've still experience with young moms. Yeah The Guy was twenty nine when I got pregnant. Okay cool I've had a couple people close to me experience this as well either like A young pregnancy was unplanned pregnancy. That was just wasn't one way or the other just happened And it obviously is. Is You know very. I don't know that there's anything that can happen to you. At a young age that can more quickly shift your worldview than reproducing and suddenly having another human being that you're now in charge up because like that's before when you get around my age twenty five thirty five somewhere in there where people start having kids on average in America. These days people usually have to face that change then like it when they're older and more equipped you would hope so when your kid or when you're twenty or you see yourself as a kid still. I mean it's a lot right like that's a lot of pressure That nine you got two young at twenty twenty nine. I felt like I still ever feel. That's that's what I was GONNA say like. I think yet twenty. I may have felt even more but even at twenty nine or even if I waited 'til thirty two I still a couple years later I still would have felt not ready. I don't think you ever feel ready might be wrong. There's this core Not Enough nece that we all feel and that's part of the human existence I think I'm not there I'm not ready. I'm not ready and again like no matter. How old you don't think you ever really feel a hundred percent. Read even those who were like trying to ride with their husband. They're still part aired parts. Yeah that are scary for sure. No I genuinely believe that with most huge life stuff like this like with either. It's getting married having a kid You know the first time you lose someone That's not something you can truly be totally prepared for now. It's a thing that you didn't become prepared in like while you're in it. Yeah I don't even know that you ever it's the thing is it's like if this thing is the thing that's asking him to grow right now. Then amazing except because showing up what makes it more uncomfortable and hard for him is the fact that he's resisting it so I think there's a matter of like embracing okay. This is the direction. Life's GonNa go and being just you hear this as a reminder that it is totally okay and healthy to feel uncomfortable when your life changes in any direction and this is a big direction so to feel really uncomfortable right now and feel chaotic and not know where all the chips are? GonNa Land is okay. It's part of this journey but it will feel better and the baby's not GonNa know any difference when it comes out you know like the baby's not GonNa know if the DAD has a lot of money or a little bit of money. All that baby needs when it first comes out is love and presence and you know a lot of Of just feeling wanted itself so we don't really we've worry so much about having all of the necessities but those are actually the corner socities. So yeah I'll say this to there's a sort of a cliche life finds a way of light. Your story finds a way writing itself so everybody has these one of the reasons. I'll tell you that that I would one of the things I would feel in Max's position would be like now. My plans are ruined totally. Everything I had in mind is is is is shot. I'M GONNA data any plot and you feel like that. That feeling of not being in control of your story is that is the thing that I think men especially we traveled with. I don't know if I can speak for women but it's a it's a thing right we. We don't like that. This is what. The masculine injury actually embodies shirt in the container. Because you're in we feel like we have to be the master and commander of our our ship. Whatever like everything is we gotta be making calls and we're frayed. We might have a little bit of our parents and US too. Sure I think that it all the other stuff starts coming in. No it's I mean. I think that's a huge part of it and I think once you accept that it's never going to work that way. Life is never going now whether it's a in this case what I think you'll in ultimately end up. Seeing is a huge blessing in the form of a child. Or whether it's something else Doesn't really you know like doesn't give a shit about our plans as people say but also life finds a way to take these things and then make them something even greater than you could have imagined with the dumb ass plan. You had before absolutely so. That's that's one thing that I would say Max to keep your head up because it's like yes. It feels like right. Now your whole world has been rocked in your life is completely changed and all your plans and your hopes and dreams are shot but in five ten years from now you're going to feel like an idiot because you ever thought that and you have a completely different country song. There goes my life my press. James. Go listen to it. I promise you'll feel better. That's good sounds like the exact type of the country singer might be Brad Paisley. I hope it is he. It's called there. Goes my life so he finds out his wife is pregnant. And he's like there goes my life and then he's like he's walking down the aisle and there goes my life to yeah and then it goes through the stages of her walking as a toddler to. Haram. There goes my life. She's going to look like I could why he may be saying right now. There goes my life but he will say it. Plenty more times looking at the child walking away from and it's going to be inviting more love into your life which is something we all. Don't realize that we can even in absorbed more up. We don't even realize it until it's happening like Holy Shit. I'm totally in love with this piece of my life and that's I think what a child is an another layer of love in your life so maybe seeing that way and just uncomfortable party right now is just something that is passing whereas the love is something. That'll be enduring a kid who's got a catch. Chesney. Kenny Chesney. There goes my life. I wanted it to be the long eyelash Brad Paisley Kenny. It's from when the sun goes down. His two thousand four album got nominated for American. Okay I let me just say this. I don't listen to country on the radio just to avoid these songs. Because I don't need the cheesiest most heartbreaking song in the world I can down in the middle of the day. That's part of the greeting probably Associated Country Song to any topic. We talked about today. I'm looking forward to challenging and I will not be you're not gonNA. Does he make any of it? I won't have any idea what she's talking all this but I'm not like like Willie Nelson. I mean no no like Willie. Nelson's just like classical old school. I don't know what he is. Just a budget. Texas country is like like when I was in college. It was like Roger. Krieger okay and you know like reckless Kelly in really. I wasn't ready for another one of these. Let's go all right. Numerous trace coming right era So I've I've kind of been going. There's some shit recently and feel like every every time I make. I'm making the wrong turn and every time that I been trying to get back to my theory sometimes just keeps popping up and and that's how life works itself but Just in extremely down and high don't really know what to do. I don't know if I try to talk to someone and get some help. I don't know what to do podcast for a long time and I got like a bunch of segments talking about talking about health and what to do and I've been doing a lot exercising of been around my friends and sitting around my girlfriend and I just feel like I can't really talk to them about what what I've had gone on so somebody else or anything else okay. So first of all excited to hear y'all's he listens to my show right this guy. Here's all the things that I say. He just mentioned most of them. And so often when we have people who call in who are struggling or who broken In a in a place like this. It's funny because you actually end up hearing them give themselves so many of the answers during the call but that being said it's sort of an easier said than done also I know on the magic hour. Y'All y'all talk so much about different ways to handle darkness situations like this depression in particular in ways. You can dig yourselves out. Ironically the first time I ever had y'all on my show Jada. I think you were speaking to your your bouts with depression in the past and it was something that at that point I had never experienced. I wasn't familiar it I I had experienced anxiety and panic disorder but never had about depression at that point and since I have so now I have a pretty good understanding of how it works or a better understanding than I did anyway so I've just been excited to speak depression Sort of like you know beyond. He knows he needs to get out and exercise. He knows he needs to socialize. He knows all these things. But it's like what do you do when you're in that place and you have no motivation right either. Do the last things you want to actually do right right And I think that that that idea of darkness for small or you know we we label it depression in our culture right now now and you think of something depressed and it's you know literally being held back and usually that is because we have stuff that bubbling to the surface that we're trying not to look we continually like push it down. This is totally subconscious. It's not like with popped up of something bad that happened in my childhood and I'm actively pushing it down but it's become something that you've done for so many years that you don't even realize that it's needing to be addressed now And of course there can be more physical physiological reasons for depression to populate in your life at some point where maybe you actually? Your nutrition is a little offer you need to be getting more sunshine and more movement in your life but I think that mentally is the piece that we all neglect the very most the most the I don't want to say it's the least obvious piece of it. But it's the part that seems the most Convoluted AND SCARY. Because we don't even know how to approach it all because mental health has been such a taboo in our culture for so long that we're like Oh. I don't have that problem. I'm not dealing with that depression. That's what you know sick people out. You know we make this common that it's not weird at all to say that you struggle with it. It seems like we're getting there. It's circles right so like we all circle you're good Like most people. I don't think feel that we're still don't and I think that's the thing. Is that like you said before to us. I didn't even realize I was dealing with depression. Really before we kind of spoke about it and labeled it in certain way. Because you're sometimes you just feel like I feel sick today. I don't feel my cell. Yeah I feel off we call it something else and I think when I get clear on the label. Then we can address it properly or can be helpful and so two This caller coming his name again. Oh Shit it's not on there too This caller he is asking like. Should I see someone? Should I dig deeper here? I need the things that stuck out to me. Most of what he said was. I don't feel like I a place where I can say these things out loud. Nbc and feel Okay with it and also just nothing's working seems right adding has gotten me out of the Rut so far right which to me is what depression really is is like a lack of hope in the future so like nothing. You don't have anything to look forward to. You don't think tomorrow is going to be any different. So as of where you're at chemically. Yeah sure but moving. Those chemicals come in a lot of different ways it comes from like we were saying nutrition and being active and out in the sunshine in the things that you think of. Okay Yeah I need to do that to a healthy generally but yeah but also taking all that dark thoughts and stuff that you really don't even know you're dealing with and bringing it to the surface and doing that alone is scary hard because you don't even know where to start so having a therapist going to someone that is an expert of being able to hold that type of space and make it feel safe. There is no judgment in that room. There is no one like shooting on you so you can say what you need to say and it just is like a a a reflective while you know where the person's like okay. I heard you say this thing and then gives you some tools and tips to move forward on that. It's not as scary as people. Make it out to Bulos both done quite a bit. Talk there you know. Yeah Yeah I mean and on the show. We talk about depression anxiety almost everything we get. Actually we have a lot of psychologists. Come on Indu sessions on us on the show live. So that's your therapists and psychologists coming on all the time. It's just it's one of those things especially again for Mitt Dude. I don't think this AIDS okay or be that like. I don't need that like that makes sense loser or whatever and yeah. I think we're making progress. It's gotten better which we talk about that this week on the show. How that really taboo topic but like how that kind of starts with circumcision? Like really cutting off the most sensitive part of that we're putting in God. Why and then. And then it's like it gives men this feeling of like they're not allowed to be sensitive constantly. Go Chase sued. Because that's GonNa that's a deep dive to go all the way there but just joked to the penis avoid. The point is from the very beginning of a man's life and as far back like jade saying be as far back as circumcision. Literally Day One or two of your life. Sure we are telling men not to be sensitive whether it be cutting off an actual piece of your body. That's extremely sensitive for just telling you to take a man. Yeah don't cry and get tough. Yeah a hygiene factor in there. Now we're just another talking about circumcision. But Yeah But Yeah I think that because we're creating this idea in a man's had had that in order to be a man and grow about your boyhood or being a stop being a child and become a man you have to be like over macho it creates what we call toxic masculinity which is doesn't mean all masculinity is toxic. A lot of people see that phrase and think of it that way mass absolutely exactly right masculinity lives in all of our bodies. It's an energy that is absolutely necessary and beautiful. We live in balance with the feminine and Masculine. If we're lucky we live in balance of it and some of us If you're if you're born assis- gendered male if you're in a male You you tend to embody the masculine energy more often. You tend in body that side of your brain and heart and all those things right and in order to navigate. Today's culture. You have to remember that. There's all these pressures being put on you from a child that had asked you to be that to an unhealthy degree and that's what the toxic masculinity thing actually means like where we see grabber by the Pussy or We see someone drinking everything. He can incite just to prove point or eating all the red meat even though he knows it's bad for him. You know like these things that are like literally unhealthy wonder to what we're doing what. His routine is like Like I know. He says he doesn't feel like doing those things that he knows are good for him but like how many things are is he. Doing that are bad for him. Like how often is he drinking alcohol which we know Causes Depression? How often is he Seriously that's always my thing. It's easily removing a couple of things and it makes all the difference and then once we removed some of those things we end up wanting to add the good so it makes room for it right like too often. I've done that where I'm like. I'm adding the healthy stuff. Yeah I went and ran. I went to Yoga. I'm eating better. What am I still feel like shit? Woo 'cause you still smoked a quarter out so yesterday what the fuck you mean what? He's like Shit like a lot of the time it's silly it's ask a Mellon. Yeah you went to the bar for removed. You have to look at both sides. It can't always be adding right until you have to subtract and I want to just say to the to. All of that is one way to get really quickly to core. Truth of what's going on in you whenever you're feeling these feelings don't feel good is to sit in silence and I know that that's what most people especially if you're in that task toxic masculinity thing. It's like no do do be busy like don't you know took your head on. Es Distract Yourself. But that's work more that such crazy concept to me because literally it's the opposite of what you should be doing healthily right like the way you get through anything to think through it and to make yourself face it every single one like. Why is that the advice all of us give each? It's like right. If you're so busy get out there and like take your mind you know. Sit Down and think about what's happening to you right now. There are moments. I think that that is valuable. Emotion emotion is a thin line. Yeah like be balancer creating this place. Where your body needs? That's you know physically one thing but also mentally like I think in any grieving process or in any depression or any place where your darkness in your life when you have The ability to not just sit with it but sometimes you have to go okay. I'm getting in a really negative spiral right now. Because maybe other things are not perfect not Aligned today so right. Now I'm going to. I am going to go out with friends and find more positive environment so that I don't go down this rabbit hole that I know I'm I tend to so that busying I think is okay but you have to balance it out with mindfulness which is like sitting and being like okay. What are we really doing? Human tendency when we empty something out to want to fill it back up to so to make sure if you're removing something pay close attention to what you're feeling at this thrown at me a lot Therapists and psychiatrists have mentioned. You're like what you remove this. That's great what did you like being. Fuck off Ma. That's why we see so many people go through relationship and literally go jump from one to the next so because you're just replacing that last thing with a new thing and not looking at your patterns at all you're not like figuring out how you're GonNa make the next one better relations different. My favorite is jumping from one to the next without even figuring out. What made the last one go wrong. Yeah that's the greatest stadium each partner. It's the same partner distraction man that's what we do. We distract ourselves from the work. I have I'M GONNA play one out of order because it's so pertains to what we are literally discussing right now Yeah here it is. And then we'll continue discussion because it's about what we're talking about. Hey Ross so thought for you. It's I don't know are like personal days. When you aren't feeling like two percent like depressions in a little hard you take a day to yourself and you just bend watch like TV show and you just Kinda like let that feeling of sadness Kinda like take you over and just you know for a day and run it through the next day you get up you do the actually like body hygiene and like actually flash your teeth and get yourself motivated. Get that early morning shower. Get the ball rolling you know. Is that a good idea around again. You know just kind of having those days where you can kinda like. Let your mental health. Do its own thing needs to and then just go from there. You know just those that single day and then you get back to the grind but like you'd knowledge that single day is what it is. It's this is my day for like my mental shit like getting my head right either way lows like asked gang gang. Keep it up motherfucker. I so to that point because this is something I've grappled with the past few months I I love this concept of like giving yourself day or like it's the it's the same sort of you know it's like allowing yourself to feel something form of self care and sitting in it and yeah and and really or like it doesn't even have to be necessarily the sitting in a day where you just are taking it every single thing. That's happened about your break-up or your situation or whatever it is it could be more of like you know what I'm canceling every Buchan thing today and I'm literally GonNa hang and yes. I guess my to add to his question. What if you do that? And it's awesome and then you really WanNa do it again the day and then you really WanNa do it again the next day. And where's the fucking line like? How do you give yourself a mental health day like that without it being a weird 'cause I always feel guilty to? I never leave the mental health day. Like I'm working that whole time like this did not go away. I wanted to do it all worst right. How do you do this? Anyone kid you I. Don't you know just to start this thing on? It goes back to that idea of first off. You're GONNA take the day off and then feel guilty about it. Which is my tendency which is probably why I go back to. This thought is where you feeling not enough and not worthy of having a self day like what have you are? Probably the hardest worker on the planet. And that's the reason that you feel guilty in this situation and you're also may be placing too much of your value and how much you get done xactly instead of just a weird see that's like it's all about again. I talk about perspective a lot because you don't. That's not thought I would have right. That's not a way I would ever look at that like in you'd have to have that stuff introduced. Yeah so that you can remember like Shit. Am I wait? Overvaluing like work as as a means of productivity and like my only happiness and in a lot of us that's ends up being the case I think maybe a slippery slope to but if you're going to take an off day you're going to take you know Self Care Day if you have those feelings of like I'm not going to get enough worked on it's going to be non productive and edited Maybe figure out a way to work something into the day. That feels like okay. Well I'm in at the instead of you know the regular show. I'd watch on Netflix. I'm GonNa Watch a documentary. That's GonNa fill me up in a different way. You know that's going to feel in a sense that can be slippery slope. Only because I'm the person who's like now I'm doing work on trying to solve this problem in the world unless true likes to stay when they're like. Oh how are you? I'm so busy like the more things that were doing. The it's like a humble brag but it's like the more things were doing. It's like the more value we think we have to offer. It's very useful calendar. Then it's like I needed I'm I'm So important yeah I'm meet I'm important In whereas like for me I caught myself filling my calendar so much. If I don't have a podcast episode that night and I have a session and then I have to do something so. I started making it to her Wednesday nights. Just write the word relaxed all the way across it and I will say that like sometimes on that night I'll like binge-watch show like you like all of it and then I'm waiting on the season. Two finale literally finished it very quickly not proud. I'm not gonNa tell you when I started you. Carry that guilt for both. The bus blew season one and two. I loved it. I don't know how to explain it. I love it too but I think dexter person so was I and then when he became a lumberjack closure there I think I needed I think that this is. My Joe is giving me closure. I'm not I'm not joking. I think most of the audience is Dexter. People who were like all is do we. That's absolutely bizarre. Rebound and Leah season. Three is coming Joe lumberjack. I'm never watching. Tv again amount. No more television back to what we're talking anyway. No I mean the other thing I'll do though is like I'll get myself a mental health day and then the problem is I'm depressed and I'm in charge of the mental health day so now I have a depressed person planning a mental health day for a depressed person and what I'll do is depressing shit. That's okay sometimes it's it. Hey it's okay like on those days they wrong. I keep going no I. I agree though. I think it's okay to do stuff that does distract you from that. And then pick it back up tomorrow and move from there like you. You need to give your mind a break. Before it snaps you know and earlier we were talking about like what The processes of sorrow look like grieving. Or you know the these places that we have to allow space for in our life. Because if you're the person who says I'm never gonNA cry. I never cry. You know we all know that that turns you into something you don't WanNa be because you are not letting that stuff out of your body so having a day where you're like okay. I'm in allow myself to feel shitty. If that's what I WANNA do and I bet you'll probably start the day off or I really get into the darkness and that's cool. I cried out do you. And it's going to probably move through your body you'll feel relief. Yes you'll be like. Oh all right cool now I can actually watch my show and enjoy myself and figure out whatever else you want to do with the day. That feels good. So I've done that probably. I don't know ten times as past four months. Ish In that. Shit's crazy so like the beginning of the day I'll be I'll feel like shit and I'm like I'm going to go through this. It's fuck face all of it. Whatever like cry a whole bunch is be said by the end of the day? It's usually actually somewhere like in the early afternoon. I'm like fought feel one hundred times better like just facing a bunch of the shitty stuff that's been in my head or having the time to really unpack it into. I think would like people. Don't give themselves enough credit with really tough situations. You need time for Shaikh. You have got to be able to sit in. He'll and shit and figure it out in your head before you have any chance of moving on healthily rate but to jade's point about glorifying glorification of busy. You were busy in our culture if we always just what's next. I gotta get to the next thing to do this job and finish this and get to the next. We don't say we don't tell ourselves it's going to take at least this much time and it's going to take probably more than that much time by the way so wherever you're thinking time wise it's going to take more than that and that's okay you know the we don't have to get all that shit done that we think we also puts us in the mindset of a as soon as well as soon as I get here or as soon as I get this done or as soon as I Live here. That's when I'll be happy to get to that place. 'cause we become the as soon as misuse them. Every smart person ever ever sue every successful prison every every respected person ever to to have a successful walk of life gets to the end of it and tells everyone else in the form of a book or a podcast or some genius quote that they wish they had spent less time focused on the stuff. That didn't matter I Being work and being things that we all like you're talking you're speaking to right now. Jumping from thing to thing to vacation stupid fucking. You know the the things that we did for reasons. That weren't the right reasons and yet all of us still sit in our society where those erred things. Driving every single one of our goals without ever really rehashing. What is that we are first of all? Were the reason that humans have done. The amazing things they've done in built always built and done all built this up. Dr Culture Up is because we are beings that have the drive that push us forward for progress in that create this like forward and upward momentum but at the same time all the great minds that you just mentioned all the great minds of our current time would probably say something about what she said. What would you do in your daily practice that you think makes you great? They would say I sit in silence and meditation or some form of becoming present. Maybe they you know job or ride a bicycle or whatever it is that causes them to like allow themselves to kind of reflect inward and be still for a moment right and that I think is presence. You know. It's about finding presents and figuring out how right now at this very moment now is the way as one of our guests chorale says But figuring out how you can be happy right this very moment or you can at least find inner peace in this very moment and that's GonNa like a tough concept. I think to get your head around because we have that busy busy busy busy structure in the head but you're to the guy who earlier asked about He had gotten his girlfriend pregnant and he was so worried about what was going to happen next for him. And how to deal with it well if he even just took a moment of all that worry of what the future is going to look like. And the okay. What's happening right this very moment right this very moment. I'm listening to the Ross Bohlin podcast and I'm actually physically fine. I feel okay. And I'M I if I'm checking in with my body and my brain right now. I'm okay like I am not running from lions and don't need be in that fight and fight or flight mode anxiety mode so exist in that moment and if you can figure out how to do that over and over through your day and create a practice out of it you to live that much more life peacefully like. Isn't that what we all really want it? I'll say this that is such like A. I think it can sound really intimidating for somebody who's never taken the first step and as a dude who at some point. I don't know a handful years ago. Was sort of like forced to take that first step just due to my life circumstances which ended up being a massive blessing. I pro- chipping away. Right. It's not day one. You you wake up in years as enlightened as these two or something. It doesn't work that way like you go in you get a day in where you allow yourself to think about a couple of things that maybe you were too scared to think about before like get to know yourself a little bit better than you build that the next day and the next day in like eventually you will get to a place where you feel like you have a much like. It's one of those things where it's lame like to know yourself but so many of us don't at all so would you so weird because like how could you. It all comes back to for me. It's like the concept of not being able to love anything else until you can love yourself right and then none of us ever really work on that and then we wonder why we have problems absolutely. And it's like fundamental shit like that that slips now that kills me and then I I don't know how you stop it on like a nationwide scale or whatever but like you know the conversations help. Yeah and then see how many of us also can't get to that point flooding ourselves because we're holding so much anger and forgiveness and hatred towards other people that it's permeating our being and it affects how we see see ourselves so you have always done it with my life would meet them like I had. I had all this anger and resentment and guilt and hate like for myself not for other people. I wish I'd had it for the people of my better route like a slightly less Hurtful route but yeah no I mean. It's a weird. It's like so much of what we talk about. On our perspective shows is so complicated right and it can be so so complex in life can be we all know. It's all many variables. Yeah very concave but sometimes you just gotTa break shit down to like the simplest thing in allow yourself to look at yourself right. Who the fuck am I? What are the things I care about? What am I doing and why? That's it man and it really wants you do that becomes completely uncomplicated. Becomes obvious almost. And you're like why did I spend so much time resisting that and it's an eye anyone listening. I just want to give them like a forgiveness card of like. Hey you got raised. In a culture. Around a zillion people that were telling you that. That's not the right way to do it. So how could you have? No no one taught you in school. How to like be mindful and sit in silence or exercise your body the right way or eat the right nutrition. I mean like no one tells you how to think thoughts. You know the example. I'll give you know how people rip on Justin Bieber beavers adduced bay. You go back to when you were fourteen about twenty million dollars. Yeah tell me how you end up motherfucker late but we're all we're all in this culture that was raised with the wrong goals in the wrong our sights on the road. If you if you you know not all of us but those of us who were raised by television this. We've got the wrong goals. Yeah you got the wrong target. Because we're being raised by shock factor marketing. You know it's like no show especially for sure easily. It's not a matter of like this is a beautiful story and I'm like how can we make the story so that like it's not crazy and that's that's the exact same thing is just having the wrong fucking goals because that websites goal is not to tell the story? Well it's to get clicks right so it's just like that foundation again is incorrect. Yeah can we just build a good foundation everywhere? Exactly thing though. Mindfulness gets you back to. What is the real goal is like the real goal to have a ZILLION dollars and have the private jet? And you know whatever it is. That's what our culture says. It is right right. But what is it really? Everyone would say happiness everyone yes. He's inner peace like nobody wants to live in anxiety and still wants to be happy cally and just wants to be happy and everyone with a private jet. Every will tell you that didn't them the jet didn't it didn't make me happy right Still looking yeah as what is it. Like seventy thousand dollar mark or so they say on average like on that you can't increase it through wealth you can't it's a fucking scientific fact now. I think it's like one hundred and twenty k. Though based that's all the time we have I. I love you on appreciate. Y'All so much for being here seriously everybody goes into the magic with Jade Bryson. Mercedes Terrell Any any closing thoughts. Y'All WANNA share with US. Anything cool coming up or any re- by the way of and kill what the hell is the social media videos. Oh how are you all of us? Minor August me talking to you. Mercedes an entire movie. They started off with some production value. Now it's like okay. Mercedes in La really really getting some videos in now. It'll be like you come out in lingerie on one side and then dressed as a man with a beard on the other side and I'm like I don't. I don't know what's happening. But it's getting very very turned on. No I have to watch having watch with southbound. We call that man. He's the beard picture of her dressed as a man on my fridge because it makes day I mean I don't I don't know what to tell you about it but I just I was. I had some interesting director. Jade does a past life readings and stuff. So that was maybe that like she told me. I was a director in a past life. And you'RE GONNA MAYBE. It was like you know what how about this life. I just started writing scripts and out of the blue. Okay I also wanted. This'll tie in. I promise you Richard when we were talking about pretty much all the questions that these guys have asked. But especially that last question that you brought through About sitting in a day of depression if that's cool or like sitting with your thoughts or like hanging out and not taking a me day It by the way depressing can be really great. You know just Chill Day Journaling for me on those days or those times whenever I'm feeling probably brought up generally on every have been on of yours but on those days I'm bringing it up so it's okay where I am bawling I can't get through it My husband does the same thing by the way if he's having a hard time 'cause I feel I'm assuming you have a lot of male listeners. Like we do like to have that. At least that's a little balance Journaling for some reason getting the words that are in your brain and affecting your body out onto a piece of paper for my logical mind. Like my masculine side. It shows me that I've gotten them out of my body Bursley and of course I'm actually writing down stuff that I need I need to look at. It's just a matter of writing questions like why am I fill? It can start with what I really whoever's intimidated by journaling. Hearing this this idea just write anything can be like. I'm wearing like literally whatever comes out of your mind at the moment and it will was smelly today Oh Yeah you could just start. It'll like go to raise your brain will be like. Oh we're doing this. Thank you for finally leaving us some space to do this and it'll jump on. I don't know how often do you do this anytime like that specific thing. How often do you don't have I wish I could say I have a beautiful practice and like I meditate every day in Journal after and all this I don't I definitely still glorify busy way too much. But it's something. I'm obviously of my body Ramona But if I am I do it whenever I like. Take a bath which is very rare also in A. That's like in a kind way and it's usually like More Meditative kind practice. Yeah and it's something that's making me feel really good afterward. And but when I'm depressed or when I am in a fight with my husband that's a big one or anybody pisses me off or whatever. Or if I'm like hormonally. In anger anger huge for anger. You can like right into the pay so much fucking handwriting. It doesn't matter you don't have to yeah. You don't even have to worry about burning your journal this not even about you reading it back. It's about getting out there right. I'll I'll be honest with this one of those things where it's this is one where I know I need it in like I'm a writer so it's insane. I never ever ever do it. I've done it into the computer. I think the first time I did it was after the first time you came on and I did it one other time a few months later when I was having a rough day and I literally have never done it how I did on the notes on my phone. I do my computer anywhere. It's something about writing. No I swear the first time I wrote it the second time I typed it typing shit really. Oh it'll do it for you. Know some people say you should type it and then a race right. That's so back. It's a physical delete delete box. I WANNA write it and then like that on fire. I'm going to have less letter. That's I did promise you tie that back in Well that was the guys call about like how to get that stuff through your body right day for me. That's like my most powerful tool is moving. My Body journaling. That whatever I'm mad about usually it's about anger. That's what gives me motivated to do that. it's permeating out of you right now but yeah. I think I was tying it back to scriptwriting. That's what it was about the movies. I think I started realizing that. Putting words on paper held some sort of power and so when we would create these episodes on the podcast we needed a way to promote it. And so I just like you know it'd be super funny if I made you know like some person actually interact the way that we're talking about on the show. And they made a skit essentially around it and then yeah and the skits became really fun for me so I just kept going with dog killing them. They're great Quickly since we had to get out of here. 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Police tactics questioned in wake of Floyds death and protest crackdowns

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11:13 min | 2 months ago

Police tactics questioned in wake of Floyds death and protest crackdowns

"Good Morning I'm James, home from the Washington Post and this is the daily two. Oh, two for Thursday June four. Today's news. Former defense secretary Jim Mattis blasts president trump. Scores of coronavirus, testing sites have been forced to close because of vandalism. And Virginia's governor is going to take down the Robert E. Lee's statue in Richmond. But first. The big idea? Authorities yesterday upgraded murder charges against the Minneapolis police officer who pinned George Floyd with his knee. Minnesota according General Keith Ellison. Democrat acknowledged the uphill battle in prosecuting police officers for murder. Because they're rarely convicted of on-duty killings, but he said he's confident. The facts of this case support the charges. Dirk Salvin the forty four year old white officer who was captured on video, kneeling on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes, as the black man pleaded for air, and his mother now faces a charge of second degree murder in addition to the third degree murder charge that was filed. Filed last week. Thomas Lane two, thou- and Alexander King were fired along with shelving in the wake of the incident now those three other officers who were on the scene face charges of felony, aiding and abetting second degree, murder and second degree manslaughter bail for all four was set at one million dollars. The charges carry maximum sentences of as many as forty years for all four officers. The last eight days of brought an intense national conversation about systemic racism in America, but also about police rules relating to the use of force, especially as police keep using force against peaceful protesters, raising new questions about their tactics and training. For, example, demonstrators were protesting outside the Austin Police Department over the weekend when. Fired a beanbag round, striking pregnant woman in the crowd. The woman can be seen on a video that circulated widely online, yelling my baby, my baby. The next day at the same location, officers again fire to being background as a demonstrator threw rocks and bottles at police that round struck a twenty year old black protester, who is standing near the man throwing the objects? He is now in critical condition. We're seeing echoes of this across the country while some incidents have led to discipline for officers involved. The wave episodes has just as often gone unpunished police chiefs, leading departments in many big cities, including the district Boston Seattle and San. Francisco signed onto an open letter yesterday. Saying that not every force can immediately terminate officers. This is often because of collective bargaining agreements with powerful unions that are designed to protect officers including. As, too often happens dirty cops. Some local politicians are trying to change that as protests continue in Atlanta mayor key chalance bottoms promised yesterday to review her. Cities Use of force policies Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti yesterday that his police department's budget could be cut by up to one hundred and fifty million dollars next year, and he proposes to then reinvest that money directly into communities of color. Patrick skinner a former CIA operations officer who's now a police officer in his hometown of Savannah Georgia has submitted thoughtful. That! We're going to run in our Sunday outlook section. It he explains how the two jobs he's had very different officer. Skinner says it makes no sense to fight a war on crime the way he fought the war on terror. He argues that we need to change our mindset about what it means to police in America. At this moment of maximum national tension outrage when national leaders are calling the streets of America Obatolu space with police officers as warriors who were supposed to so called dominate and give no quarter. He's telling whoever listen to him. Police are not warriors. Their neighbors. As Patrick puts it quote. We are not and must not be at war with our neighbors. What we now see deployed in many cities and towns is anti policing. It's the death of true community, police, work, and too often the death. Of Our neighbors. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar. Number One. Defense Secretary Mark expert distance himself from President Trump yesterday, saying the use of active duty forces to quash unrest against the nation is unnecessary at this stage a few hours later as predecessor Jim Mattis excoriated the president for working to divide the country. Madison's blunt comments about trump represent a break from the decorum. The retired general said people who even administration should afford a sitting president since resigning as defense secretary in late, thousand, eighteen retired Four-star Marine Corps general has largely abstained from criticizing trump, but he said the events of the past week, especially the clearing of peaceful protesters in Lafayette. Square prompted him to take aim at trump. In his three page statement, he writes in part quote. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime, who does not try to unite the American people does not even pretend to try instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. Mattis called upon all Americans to quote you without him, and he referred to Abraham Lincoln's appeal to Americans in his eighteen sixty one inaugural address to summon our better angels. And hold the nation together. Madison wrote quote. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette. Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our constitution? At the same time we must remember Lincoln's better angels and listen to them as we work to unite. Trump replied on twitter by attacking Madison quote the world's most overrated general. Number to. About seventy corona virus testing sites across the country, if had to close in recent days because of destruction from civil unrest at least nine health centers in five states have been damaged in the past nights, including in Sacramento Denver Philadelphia in Minnesota, and at least six health centers in five states were closed because of their proximity to the protests, the seventy testing sites out of four hundred, twenty, four in the federal program that have closed because of unrest are spread across seventeen states in here in DC and the virus is still very much raging. It's killed more than one hundred five thousand Americans and And at least one point, eight million infections have been reported in a moment of bipartisanship. That's all too rare. These days. The Senate advance to bill last night to increase flexibility for businesses were participating that paycheck protection program. The bill gives these businesses more time to use the money ahead of a deadline to forgive the first round of payments, the legislation passed by unanimous consent. Now goes to trump's desk passed the house last week. The central aim here is to allow businesses twenty four weeks instead of eight to spend money that they receive under the program. The restaurant industry especially lobbied hard for this. The economic toll of the contagious, just so staggering, and we're getting a new jobs. Report this morning that. The markets expect to be pretty bad, but other fresh data show. Millions of Americans are skipping payments on mortgages, auto loans and other bills. They can't afford because more than forty. Million of our fellow Americans are out of work. Many are getting help from all kinds of lenders in order to keep up about three million auto loans and fifteen million credit card accounts earn some kind of program right now to let people skip or make partial payments, and these are probably low estimates and four point seven five million homeowners, nine percent of all Americans with mortgages have entered into forbearance plants. Number three. Shortly after five PM on May seventh, Eighteen, ninety on the docks of the James River in Richmond, ten thousand citizens clamped twenty thousand hands on ropes, and they hauled three huge crates, a mile and a half up to the empty tobacco field that is now known as Monument Avenue. Inside, those boxes fresh from a sculpture studio in France was the massive statue that would soon loom, not just the skyline of Richmond, but the psyche of Virginia confederate General Robert E, Lee, the fourteen foot statue of lease sits atop fifty foot base. Anyone who's ever been to Richmond will remember. After more than a century of Lee Worship Democratic Governor Ralph Northam plans to announce today that he will remove the iconic statue from its preeminent perch in the former capital of the confederacy. It was covered in graffiti over the weekend by people protesting the death floyd, the statue will be put into storage. Word of the pending announcement set off jubilant. Among thousands of protesters gathered at the foot of the Edifice Mel Shelton, twenty-seven musician was one of those cheering. He told the crowd quote who said are protests were useless. Who said our protests for stupid? Look what we've done. We are leading the rest of the country. The statue began as the icon of the lost cause of the confederacy. Then it was the anchor of the city's grandest residential district. Then it became a symbol of racial division. And now it will be gone. It's a reminder that America's best days can still be. That we can change for the better. Last night I was covering the protests in downtown, Washington. I walked by boarded up business. The owner was trying to protect it from looting. A street artist had turned the whiteboards into canvas and painted a beautiful rainbow. One word was scrawled in cursive. Love. We can, and we will get through this dark chapter in our history. With love. because. Love wins off. And that's. The daily to two for Thursday June fourth. Thanks for listening. I'm James Hellman. I'll talk to you tomorrow, woman.

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The Final Blast

Bomber

34:15 min | 1 year ago

The Final Blast

"Bomber describes the real life manhunt for serial bomber the events are sometimes graphic and intended for mature audience. Listener discretion is advised last time on bomber. Once we find this guy gotta get a swat team there. We've got to take him down. We cannot let him get away. We have got to get this guy. Now, you know, it got to a point where you're just going on and Drennan because you had to keep up with with what was going on in that final three day period. I'm Jason Puckett. And this is bombing. Jude now. Calls Ma was. Tuesday March twentieth. Twenty eighteen we don't know it yet in the newsroom, but twenty three year old Mark Anthony Condit has been identified as the Austin bomber. It's almost three weeks after the first bomb exploded and Condit's house. Just outside of Austin is being watched by police as night falls. Investigators have decided to wait until morning to move in and make an arrest. But they're not sure if he's even their ATF special agent in charge Millan house-key in Mexico border. The last thing we want to do is work this entire case. And finally identified a suspect and that get out in the public and he hits the road, and we're chased them in which as some to Mexico or central South America. I mean, just all those things are going through your head that we need to try to be tight on this. And then back at the command center, there's a buzz of excitement Condit makes a mistake. We've got an order on his phone. He just turned it on. And so we know where his phone is. Now his phone had been off. All day. And so now, we know where is and he's half a mile from my hotel. Millon hausky is literally just around the corner from the suspect's location. The parking lot of a hotel in round rock, Texas. That's another area just outside of Austin. The news is like an electric shock to the frayed nerves of the team of investigators exhaustion is now mixed with adrenaline and focus FBI special agent charge. Chris combs, new reclose. We knew we finally had a suspect and we desperately wanted to stop him. And it just went on and on. And finally, we call it a night because it just got so late. And then literally we all went home in the minute. We got back to hotels they found him. And we had a roll out again. So that's probably the longest day I've ever worked in my life. Nobody wants to stop, you know, not that when you're that close. You know, everyone every investigator everyone's been investigator more than you know, five minutes is smelling that we're we're close to nine here. I want to be part of it. And so that was the most difficult part was trying to get people to get some. And some downtime, particularly those final four days as the news of the bombers location comes in Austin police, the swat team ATF and FBI agents members of the Lone Star fugitive task force. They're all closing in on that hotel in round rock, Texas ranger was with us in the command post, I called him and said we need every resource you have to go to that hotel and secure the scene. So that we can start moving swat teams being as dangerous as he was. We didn't want normal cops coming up on that car. We wanted to make sure we had it tactically trained team. So I asked EPS get up there surround that hotel were common. This is where training and planning comes into play everyone knows their job. But there's still a lot of uncertainty. Interim Austin police chief Brian Manley admitted the command center when the news came in. I responded directly from our command center straight to the scene in round rock and stood by a nearby parking lot awaiting for what we were hoping was going to be. A successful apprehension of the suspect Brian Manley. It must have felt like a long drive up to round rock with time to think about what was about to go down the thinking of all the different ways that this may transpire, you know, that this is an individual who is willing to kill innocent people who is willing to kill random people and the likelihood of him being armed either with a traditional firearm or with more explosive devices knowing that however this played out it was going to be a very dangerous operation to scene had probably been on his mind over and over again over the past twenty days. But now, it's actually happening. A serial bomber a Twenty-three-year-old with seemingly no motive and no consideration for human life sitting in a pickup truck outside a hotel in the middle of the night members of the Austin police swat team also get the call about Condit's location. Several of us were were sent home. And it was on the way home just in that short span of time from leaving. Work to getting home that we received some critical updates from something investigative units and some updates about the potential location of the suspect. And so the plan was to get Austin police swat team in place with their what's called a bearcat or armored vehicle. So that they can execute in rest warrant behind cover from safety of of the bearcat like a lot of special units within police departments. Swat team is a close knit and devoted team. They trained for countless hours to be ready for something just like this training together forty plus hours a week being on call rotation. Always being called back on holidays. Thanksgiving, Christmas, whatever it may be and in spending that time together late at night early in the mornings you develop that closed on the man in charge of the team is sergeant Brandon Ellsworth are straining emissions was. And so with that being said everything that we do they they put that first and foremost in their training in their tactic. At the us. That's that's what's ingrained in these guys. And that's what makes the team successful is their ability to act in dangerous situations within result being saving saving on Vance at eleven swat officers were mobilized to a location near the hotel, we review blocks from the hotel where we could quickly moved to that location that we needed to. But we're also out aside from being visible him and just in a react decision to where we could move. We were trying to get our tactical vehicles. They afford ballistic protection and would've allowed for much safer operation. We're trying to get all of those resources. They're basically, ideally we would have liked to have contained him early on from a distance mean able to to deal with him in gain control over him to allow him the ability to peacefully surrender swat team police federal agents, they're all waiting for that tactical vehicle to arrive the red Ford ranger doesn't move. They're ready. If it does we had already talked about if he. Moves you have to take him down because we didn't want him to get away. They keep waiting and watching and waiting some more. Or we all were there in the parking lot getting ready to implement our plan. We had got notification that suspect was leaving the location. He was at parking lot. He was at and became mobile. That's when we were notified that the suspect was now driving away the team is in two N's. Plus, you get the surveillance team. So they follow him. He gets on the access road of the frontage road. It appears like he's gonna try to get on thirty five. Once you sort of moving. We knew that the likelihood of him evading, we're not going to be able to pursue vehicles that we were in obviously, we knew the likelihood of my bathing, and again, the public being risk and abroad view. This guy could have had vices planet. You could have devices that he works was planning. So we knew that we had to quickly detain him in order to gain some compliance. To stop the threat everyone's training kicked in. I think we realized the severity of that moment and. I think everyone understood in that moment that there was potentially a high likelihood of him having a device on him. And so we knew in that moment that this. This was likely the are are only opportunity here at this moment was to hopefully intervene before he hopped on the highway or he potentially went into the city or a location of public location and an injured more people. And that's when we we committed the plant, basically assault vehicle to to stop it and to stop his mobility from gaining access to the general public. It was really the only option we have that time. There's helicopter video of what happens next you could see Condit's truck, leaving the hotel parking lot, followed by two vans, and then a convoy of vehicles the video is pale black and white footage. Eerily quiet considering the drama unfolding. But the audio tells the story as Condit's truck begins to pick up speed on the move back and how now. I got an eastbound eastbound lane coming up to thirty five front engine be taking a right turn southbound on the thirty five hundred or thirty five front agent old settlers, and he's a bully stopper. Still red intersection. I were through the intersection southbound still on the front page of old settlers for the laser. Swat vans. Make a pin? Maneuver one van in front of the bomber struck the other behind that and make contact with event may contact before Rangers pinned in and comes to a stop once. We stock in the vans were able to to safely stop. You got sorted many tactics. Austin swat team officers, Vincent Garcia, and rob Justice and ran toward the passenger side of the suspects. Con. Essential Rhys was there for him to have devices and then the final blunt explosion. No, it's funny. I don't remember hearing the blast. I saw it. I'm I'm sure it was loud at that point. But you're so focused on doing what you can do to help your team mate. I've a slide recollection of often out here in allowed what sounded to me like an explosion had not seen what ad hurt at that time. But it was apparent to me. It was something other than possibly gunfire or something like that that I'm used to through our training experience. My biggest concern the sergeant on the team is putting my guys at risk. I saw the explosion. So the first officer that that kind of fell back from that explosion. That's the person that was doing was checking on to make sure that he was good the helicopter footage shows a bright violent flash erupt out of the right side of the truck swat officers blown back. But he's okay. You literally had Austin police officers running towards a vehicle that had an explosive device in it that detonated that is. Unbelievable, courage. Those are heroes inside the vehicle. The bomber is no longer a threat. Mark Anthony Condit is the final victim of his own deadly homemade bomb. Brian Manley was driving in a long convoy of vehicles behind the final blast scene. When Mark Condit's life came to an end, he could take a deep breath. But Austin wasn't out of the woods yet. Sense of of relief in that we had the bomber. But you cannot take complete confidence that it's over because we've not yet investigated him to know was he working alone or was he working in concert with other people? Did he plays additional devices in the mail or under steps or somewhere else in our community or another community? So there is that sense of relief in that you now have you've at least accounted for the the primary suspect at that point. But we still had a lot of investigation to do to make sure that this wasn't part of something larger or that there were not more people still involved. Now, it's two o'clock three o'clock in the morning. And again, I got to get people out of bed. Come process this scene. We still don't know fees alone wolf this guy, all by himself or does he have co-conspirators or other people have been helping him back at the station. We were hearing about the final explosion at sending reporters to the scene if you were awake in watching the news that night, you would have seen. Our news director, Tim Ryan, tell us. In the news. It was three nine thousand nine hundred. I'm Tim Ryan on the news director here at cave you and we have information from Tony PLO head ski who works for cave. You and the Austin American statesman confirmation that the suspect and these bombings is dead. We cannot attribute that source right now. But Tony is is reporting that the suspect is dead. Gave you reporter j Wallace was our I reporter on the scene of the first blast on March second he would also be our first reporter on the scene of the final explosion. I've never seen something like this just on the highway. I thirty five you saw this line of just flashing red and blue lights police the fire department EMS swat every single department. You can think of they were they're lined up for maybe half a mile along the highway before the sun came up that Wednesday morning Brian Manley confirmed the news to all of us. You could tell when Manley came over before he had the press conference within a swarm of just I've never seen a semi cer- semicircle like that in my life of so many people reporters and just media. But before he stepped up to the Mike you could see it on his face. You could see it just in how he was talking to people. You can hear what he was saying. But there is a different facial expression. There is a different. There's just a different look to him as members of the Austin police department swat team approached the vehicle the suspect detonated. A bomb inside the vehicle knocking one of our swat officers back and one of our swat officers fired at the suspect as well. The suspect is deceased and has significant injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his vehicle. Manley confirmed what we knew the bomber was dead. We did learn the officer had fired his weapon, but the blast was the cause of the death. We still didn't know the bomber's name. We cannot name the suspect that this time because he has not been positively identified yet by the medical examiner and next of kin have not yet been notified. But if we thought we'd heard the last of Manley safety warnings, we were wrong. I want to continue that message as we stand here this morning, though, because we don't know where this suspect has spent his last twenty four hours, and therefore we still need to remain vigilant to ensure that no other packages are. Devices have been left through the community. We couldn't let our guard down yet in the investigation was moving into a new face chief said we're not done yet. It's a long day head. We are concerned that there may be other packages that are still out there. We need the public to remain vigilant. Especially today as we go through this investigation as I said this investigation is ongoing. We wanna make sure that we have confirmed that he either acted alone. Or if there were any accomplices that we identify them one thing in particular that they were able to obtain was a Google search history from Google showing the different websites that Condit had been searching in recent days, a Thornberry's were able to confirm by looking at that Google search history that conduct was looking up addresses and other places in Austin and nearby communities as well and fat I'm told that last night that prompted authorities to actually dispatch law. Forcement officers to those addresses to warn those homeowners that they may be in danger into actually check those front porches to ensure that there were no packages there. And there were still not even a hint of a motive nothing do not know what the motive was behind that. And hopefully as we continue this investigation, we will uncover some facts. So that we can try and understand. Although this is something that there is no rationale four. But we could try and understand what his motive was. Thank you very much before we knew the bomber's name. We learned where his house was. And we knew that police weren't taking any chances. When I first got here this morning around five o'clock, the trooper said that they believed that there were people a person or people inside the house still, and that's one of the reasons that he was almost nervous. He said you need to get back. You really need to leave. The biggest fear here is perhaps a any kind of booby traps. I mean, this is a person that was able to set a trip wire and has a sophisticated knowledge of bomb-making. And so they. Wanna make sure that when they go into that home that everyone is safe. And also they have to wait for a warrant. I think that's one of the reasons why it has taken so long Condit turns out at roommates and police really didn't know if they were involved or not or at any knowledge of what was going on and marquan was capable of building deadly bombs possibly right there inside his home. So it was more agents in officers started showing up in Pflueger Ville at Condit's house. We finally got a name we were able to learn that the bomber's name was Mark Anthony Condit. He was a twenty three year old man from Travis county. He lived in an awesome suburb called Pflueger Ville. And so across Austin the name Mark Condit was quickly spreading along with the news. You've blown himself up early that morning. We went to work trying to learn anything we could about his background, but one of the striking things about the bomber is that his social media footprint was really Barron. There was not a lot of information about the bomber out there. Khanna's parents live near. By in the same neighborhood. We learned that he was renovating his house with his father. We also learned that he had been home schooled that he was working for garage door repair company at the time. And really this blit picture of him emerged on the one hand he was going to work while at the same time going home and planting these bombs we had so many questions. How did he built his bumps? Did anyone else know why did he target some victims and not others? We eventually learned where he built the devices he had to roommates who later told authorities that he was so secretive that he actually kept a padlock on his door. And so they never really knew what was going on in his room. I think for someone who doesn't know every facet of the investigation. It's certainly question to say how did somebody live in the same house as sky and not know because if you've been in the house he lived in. His room never left his room. He had padlocks on his room. They weren't three friends. They were three people living in the same house. So he did all his work in his room. He didn't really socialize with the other people. So I think it it certainly within the realm of possibility. In fact, we believe it is an accurate statement to say that the roommates didn't know joining the throng of press from outside Texas, Josh Margolin with ABC news was in Austin covering the case because of the fears connected with how much explosive materially had in his home that a number of blocks influ Ville had been evacuated. So then there was a press conference later in the afternoon with Pflueger villa authorities, and they were encouraging people to be calm, but they still were not going to let everybody back into their homes. You know, just as a side point to that. We've since learned that there was so much explosive material in the home that there was an active consideration that they have just leveling the house and not even risking law enforcement personnel by search. It. They ended up not doing that. They felt that it was able to be rendered safe enough. So they could send in robots and send people into to find out what they could about about the perpetrator, which is always ideal. But their point was they didn't they they knew the perpetrator was dead, and they didn't want to risk people's lives by going in there. So there was so much explosive material they were thinking about leveling the home we continue digging into the bombers passed is family neighbors. Anyone who could help us unravel. The terror mystery of the bombings was the oldest of four siblings. He did have three younger sisters. He also was home schooled, according to some family photos on Facebook. But that did change when he attended Austin community college. He did go there for about two years from two thousand ten to two thousand twelve and never graduated. We do know that he was most recently unemployed as well at the age of twenty three years old as of late August. Yes. Last year he was fired from his job at the cruise manufacturing because he just wasn't meeting the job expectations. The owner of the store described him as introverted. Quiet. We're also learning that he kept the blog. He isn't posted on it for a couple years. But looking back at some of the posts he did show his views on some controversial topics like abortion as well as where he stood in terms of his his ideas of homosexuality. So those are up there on the internet as well. He does have a Facebook page with only about fifteen friends. So you can really tell he wasn't a social butterfly to say, the least we've talked to one neighbor who said he seems nice friendly pretty normal from what she could tell he was in my home, and I didn't feel threatened in any way. He was very nice, but whatever was going through his mind that causing to want to do these things you do start to think about while every day, we back out of our driveway and almost ended up in his driveway because the street so small what kept him I guess from wanting to hurt us. He did a horrible thing. It was horrible. And but he he has a family to that that lost a son and as a mother of signs or any children the loss of. Child is I can't even imagine Sierra Davis had gotten to know Condit a few years earlier in a Christian home school group. It had been a few years, but she considered him a friend at the time. He was a nice guy. He was a little bit forceful in some of the things he said, but he was never mean or rude. He made a terrible twice to do. Terrible things. But the blame is on him not on his family. We need to focus more on taking care of those that are mentally ill. Those that have tendencies to be violent as a cave, you reporter working on a new project called verify I was working on various aspects of the case as well. Helping to clear up rumors and set the record straight as much as I could Kelly Kilmore. We've heard reports today that that was the name. The suspect us on the boxes he sent through FedEx, we can verify through the FBI and APD that is true verify tonight next up we want to get into a question of background checks and some of these conversations online. The ones you're looking at people keep posting these pages seeming to show that Condit was a Republican or a democrat how much money he may what his life was like we want to point out this site is false in this case. We're gonna move it into the false category. Anyone can get onto this site that folks keep referencing and change the information to say, whatever they want at that time. Finally, we're going to talk about white supremacy a little bit tonight. A lot of folks online have been asking if that is possibly Condit's motivation in all of this while APD said there may be some hints possibly towards motivation at this time, we have no confirmed evidence or clues to lead us towards believing. It was white supremacy or any to say that it wasn't. We're going to work on answering that leave at unconfirmed for now. It is we continued to dig and try to uncover what we could. There was one more disturbing detail that we didn't know you in the hours leading up to the final explosion and Condit's death. He made a thirty minute recording on his on this recording. This suspect described the six bombs that he constructed with. The level of specificity that he identified the differences among those six bombs. Investigators are still going through that video to see if they can find out any more information about the suspect and his motives, but they do believe all those bombs are now accounted for. But ultimately, the recording left us with more questions than answers. I know everybody is interested in a motive and understanding why and we're never going to be able to put a ration behind these acts. But when I can tell you having listened to that recording. He does not at all mention anything about terrorism, nor does he mention anything about hate. But instead, it is the outcry of a very challenged young man talking about challenges in his personal life that led him to this point. That's what the story has become that. There may be no answer other than this man as he called himself, a psychotic or psychopath. Somebody who had been motivated by the rush. Of hurting people which is just not normal. If the tape didn't reveal the bomber's motive investigators hoped something else would and they still wanted to make a one hundred percent sure that he acted alone that the Austin bombings really had ended with Mark Condit's death FBI special agent in charge. Chris combs, we went through every single computer that he had every single hard drive the phones everything we could find financial data because one of our concerns was that anybody else. No. Was it just him was there? Anybody else connected to the case. So we have literally spent the last year. Going through all those terabytes and everything that we had to make sure that he was the only one involved and we've done that we feel very confidently that it was singular in nature. He was the bomber. No one else was involved. It would take time to know that though it would be almost a year before the FBI closed the case, but across Austin, you could feel a change in the air the stress the fear the anxiety. It started to lift investigators reporters residents, we could all start to think about life after the bombings detective Orlando Ramirez with Austin homicide since March second was the first. Night that I could actually sleep. So your body realized that you've been going through a lot of stress and then once he realized that you got somebody. He might not hurt anybody else. That's when I felt some relief that was able to sleep for a little while. I realized how heavy it was at the end once in once I was able to get some rest and realize that, you know, for the last couple of three weeks, you know, life has not been the same. And once I got back to my routine. I realize how much of. Heavy. The case was just giddy. My car, I truly did just let it aside relief a physical Cy. I don't do that often. But I just needed to because I just said felt like I had gone through three years of work in a month's time. And just to know that not only the city was safer, but you know, we would be able to slowly but surely move on past this as a new station. Yes, it's important. It's a part of our job. Obviously, we have to keep people up to date with this type of thing. But to know that we would be able to move on as a station along with our city. It was a hundred percent of relief. And it just felt good to X hail because you kind of needed to after what we had been through. I would say that apartment and all the agencies involved noticed, you know, an outpouring support immediately following enduring this whole this whole timeframe, and then even since the release of the video recently from DPS and the department that coming coming back to light a little bit. But. You know, the job carried on for us. The next day the weeks following we had operations to do. We were still getting calls from other units to assist them with their stuff. And so the work continued. And so I think guys just just realizing that and that that this was a big critical incident no-one downplays that but tomorrow's a new day. There are still a lot of people who want to hear the bombers tape. Ryan Manley has now moved on from interim chief to Austin police chief Brian manly. And he's vowed it will never be released. I still have the same concerns that I've always a year ago about the release of the audio. The audio releasing that would end up on the internet where his voice will live in infamy forever. I think that it would be something that people would go to maybe for inspiration. If we have people that are considering committing these horrendous violent acts, I think it would give him a level of notoriety that he does not deserve. And it does nothing to make. Anybody any more educated about why he did what he did. Or how he did what he did. And it does nothing to make communities safer. Instead, I only see the downside that it could inform others of missteps that he took that he self identified as maybe allowing us to to capture him. And I just don't think it's wise to put that out there to better educate or or equip someone who might try to carry out this attack on a community somewhere else. I know that people want to know why it happened as I said earlier, I want to know why it happened releasing this audio will will not give us that. So I know there's a lot of questions about releasing the audio the reason that I personally have so many concerns about it, and the FBI is he goes through almost an after action of what he did wrong. How we caught him. And we certainly don't want to put that out there. So that other bad people can learn how to do it better. And also the fear is and today. As world that video will be on the internet forever. And we've seen with a lot of other mass casualty events that people. Look back on previous mass casualty events and want to emulate them. And we certainly don't want that to happen. Over time. Some details of the tape have leaked out. I think what's most disturbing on the audiotape is the fact that he wasn't done that he had plans to do more attacks of different size and capacity from listening to that tape. I am one hundred percent convinced that had we not taken him down the night that we did there would have been further bombings in the future. And in the manifesto. You know, we were able to succeed in obtaining certain quotes from the Matt from the the bombers confession, the whole recording has not been released, but certain quotes have been able to to get out. And we have a number of them that we've reported on any talks about almost like a joy, ride thrill seeking element that he thought this. Was going to give him a rush and it did for a while, and then it stopped. But then you think about the human toll on the other end, and you realize that there are alive families that are brutally permanently changed, and it's just so sad. And terrifying in the end, we're left with the memory of the bombings the images of the explosions. The memory of our collective fear. Some of us are left with physical scars that will never disappear injured victims like seventy five year old Esperanza hope Herrera and some of us are left with the memory of a family member who left us too soon, a seventeen year old musician the thirty nine year old father and husband. We were also left feeling like, maybe our city had lost something the feeling that. It's the kind of thing that happens somewhere else. Why Austin why our city for all indications and all evidence appears at it was legitimate just random places. Said these device now he he intentionally one of these devices go off intention wanted to kill people. We do know that this wasn't an accident. So he built these devices knowing how they worked and how they function and he wanted to kill people. And he, you know, obviously got off by killing people knowing that his devices we kill people I was angry because he made us go through all of this community. He took the peace away from Austin. And it was senseless. It was no reason behind it hurting the people that he hurt. So today, we we don't believe, and we didn't believe back then that the victims are connected in any way, other than his demented mind the conversation and debate about releasing Mark Condit's final recorded confession will continue. Maybe if we heard his voice, we might be able to answer why why at twenty three year old man with no criminal history in no obvious message. Of hate or ideology or motive chose to do what he did those who have heard the recording people like Brian Manley. Brad Miller hausky Chris combs. They've all listened. They still ask why we do know that Condit's recording and did with a chilling line. I wish I were sorry. But I'm not perhaps that's all we need to know. It's a glimpse into the killer's mind. But for most of us who are living in Austin in March twenty eighteen we can't help it stop at times and think back and ask why? I will never say his name. I won't. I never have. I never will. Bomber is a production of all studios and cave. You were available at apple podcasts. Spotify Google play and other major listening platforms. You can also listen and learn more at bomber podcasts dot com. Our executive producer is will Johnson. My thanks to the people of Austin, my colleagues cave, you federal investigators and the men and women of the Austin police department.

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Dec 16, 2019

Sword and Scale Daily

19:14 min | 8 months ago

Dec 16, 2019

"Hello and welcome to sort and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Monday December sixteenth. And and this is your daily true prime report coming up on sort and scale daily police in Austin continue searching for missing mother hyper Sard hard and her two week old daughter Margot who were last. Seen on Thursday morning in Birmingham Alabama police rescued a kidnapped woman from an apartment complex x and she led them to the location of a female homicide victim. Arizona father is sentenced to eight years for killing a man who allegedly tried to break into his daughters locked bathroom stall finally. We have updates on the fatal stabbing of Tessa Majors. The investigation into last week's Jersey City. He's shooting and the court hearing for Derrick Brown. The woman charged with kidnapping and murder of three year. Old Camille cupcake mckinney. All this and more more coming up on sword and scale daily routine Police in Austin Texas are asking for the public's assistance in the search for a missing mother and her two week old daughter. Heidi Sard was last seen around seven. Thirty am on the morning of Thursday December twelfth. She was dropping off her son at Cowan Elementary School in South Austin she was captured on surveillance. Camera grow and had her newborn daughter Margot with her. Broussard was reported missing later the same day by the father of her children. Shane Kerry Keri told police that he returned home from work at two PM found. Heidi and Margot gone shortly after Cowan Elementary Elementary School phone. Shane Kerry tell them that Bernard had not showed up to pick up their son. According to carry he went to collect the boy and Knbr San was still not home when they got back. He phoned nine one one and reported her missing on Friday. Shane was interviewed by. CBS Austin within a T.. Mobile store. He told them he was there to get bussard cellphone. Records to help with the investigation during the interview Carey made the following plea to the public quote. If you see an awesome mom with her baby walking around earn a suspicious van or car anything please just call all somebody friends of Heidi Bouchard have created a facebook group dedicated to searching for her according to post mate inside of the group up. When Shane Carey returned home to find bussard gone her car? Her purse and baby bag. Were still there. This information has. It's not been officially confirmed. Heidi's friends have had no contact with her and her co workers at cracker barrel told. CBS The she had not been back to work since having the baby. Heidi Broussard is thirty three years old and weighs approximately one hundred fifty pounds. She has long dark hair with highlights and was wearing purple top. If you see anything please report to the Austin Police Department in other other news. Developing story in Birmingham Alabama. Al Dot Com reports. That rescue kidnapping victim led police officers. I to the location of a buried body on Friday afternoon. A woman called nine one one to report that she'd been kidnapped she knew she was being held in an apartment complex and the general location but not the exact address. Police were able to trace her cell phone and located her. The Woodside Condominium apartment complex when officers approached the scene they saw the victim a young white woman who had fallen down the stairs swallow escaping with their hands tied with ZIP ties during the initial investigation. Police learned that the victim claimed to have information about a homicide. Aside based on information received from the victim officer search in isolated wooded area late Friday on Saturday morning gene. They discovered the body of a second victim. The second victim was also a young white woman. The cause of death has not yet been made public. mm-hmm authorities are searching for two suspects and believed that the suspects and the victims knew one. Another it is also possible that the kidnapping victim was being held. Oh captive because of her knowledge of the homicide curiously enough the Woodside Condominium Apartment Complex where the kidnapping victim Tom was rescued is also police. Believe that missing three year. Old Camille cupcake mckinney was murdered after the break a Phoenix man is sentenced to eight years for killing a man who allegedly tried to break into his daughters bathroom stall Hey I just wanted to ask how many of you have credit cards. I'm sure that most of you have at least one. If so you know there's no better feeling than paying them off but you know it feels even better paying off those high interest credit cards getting a lower rate and saving money. That's what you can do with light stream. 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I personally never knew how easy it was to get a lower rate on my credit card debt until I tried livestream and to be honest. I'm not sure I'll ever go anyplace else since utilizing their services just for my listeners. Apply now to get an additional interest rate discount. The only way to get this discount is too extreme dot com slash scale. That's light stream dot com slash scale for an additional discount L. I. G. H. T. S. T. R. E. A. M. dot com slash scale subject to credit approval rate includes point fifty percent auto pay. Discount this count terms and conditions apply an offers are subject to change without notice visit light string dot com slash scale for more information now for our final story the Arizona Republic reports that forty one year old Melvin Harrison. The third has been sentenced to eight years for the manslaughter of twenty six year old. Leon Armstrong on August third two thousand eighteen at around eleven pm. Melvin Harris the third picked up his sixteen year old daughter and her friends from work at his daughter's request. They stopped by gas the station so she could buy a drink and use the restroom at a quick trip. Convenience Store Harris stayed outside and waited for the girls in the parking lot where he was approached by a man later identified as Leon Armstrong. Leon had asked him for change. Harris gave him some money Armstrong then entered the store store as Harris's daughter later told people magazine. She was inside of a stall in the women's bathroom when a man attempted to break through the door you're one of her friends noticed the man and chased them out of the bathroom. A security guard escorted Armstrong out of the store and he walked away. The girls left the store. They told Melvin Harris about what had happened. He went into the store where according to him. One of the security guards told him that this had been the third such incident that day. The police report indicates that Harris told the guard that if he didn't do anything he would harrison the girls returned to the vehicle and began driving away but shortly thereafter drove by Armstrong Harris's daughter identified Armstrong to her father as the man who tried to break into her stall Harris then parked his car and per witness reports punch Armstrong in the face causing him to fall all to the ground. According to statements given to police by the same witnesses Harris continued to punch kick and stomp on Armstrong who lost consciousness. Justness Melvin Harris then got back in his vehicle and drove home. Leeann Armstrong was taken to a hospital where he was diagnosed with severe your brain trauma and a broken nose. He passed away from his injuries. Four days later on August seventh police officers arrested Harris at his home uh-huh and his initial interview Harris admitted to punching Armstrong in the face but said the first punch was thrown by Armstrong. He also denied that he continue to beat Armstrong while he was on the ground Harris was charged with second degree murder and last month agreed to plead guilty to the lesser charge urge of manslaughter. Leon Armstrong's and Kathleen Jackson told. CBS Armstrong suffered from schizophrenia. And said quote wrote though he did have some mental illness. He was never a person who is considered a pedophile of any sword. Before we leave you we have a few updates on cases we have been following our first update on the investigation into the fatal stabbing of Tessa Majors. In eighteen year old Barnard College student. Thirteen year olds a yard. Davis has been charged with felony murder in connection with Tessa majors. Death Davis was picked up on trespassing using charges after officer saw him loitering in the lobby of an apartment building not far from where the stabbing took place. The officers noticed that is closed matched. The description of one of the assailants on Friday Davis case was heard by Manhattan Family Court judge at the hearing. NYPD wiped detective. Vincent Cigna Ready testified to the contents of Davis interviews with. Investigators Davis said he and to middle school friends went to Morningside Morningside Park on Wednesday with the intention of robbing someone and followed another potential victim before deciding on Tessa majors. The boy told detectives actives that he saw his two friends. Grab Tessa from behind and put her in a chokehold. Then rifled through her pockets valuables during the struggle. One of his friends dropped the knife in Davis said he picked it up and handed it back the friend then use the knife to Stab Tessa multiple times and as they were running away from the scene. One of the friends told Davis that while they were restraining. Tessa in a chokehold. She'd bitten his fingers. Based Don Davis is statements. Police arrested a fourteen year old suspect but he was released without charges on Saturday. The third suspect a thirteen year. Old Boy Oye who is allegedly the stabber has not yet been found on Sunday the head of the NYPD. Sergeant Union Ed Molins told the host of local. AM radio show. That majors was in Morningside Park to buy weed quote here. We have a student murdered by a thirteen year old. We have a common common denominator marijuana anonymous law enforcement sources confirmed to the NY Post. The police are investigating the possibility that Tessa Hassle was in the park to buy weed new details on last week's shooting in Jersey City in our episode last Friday we stated the both suspects were two men but have since found out that the suspects were actually a man and woman. Tuesday's incident began when suspects rex. David Anderson and Francine Graham shot detective. Joseph Seals at Bayview Cemetery Anderson Graham drove to a nearby kosher mark where they then shot and killed three more people they were themselves found shot to death following a four hour standoff with police a senior law enforcement officer told. PIX eleven that detective seals was in Bayview cemetery to meet with an informant in an unrelated drug investigation. He may have approach approach Anderson Graham because they were in a u haul van that had been reported stolen after shooting and killing detective seals. The couple then drove the u-haul in Jersey City Kosher supermarket they were armed with an Ar fifteen a twelve gauge shotgun. An additional weaponry. David Anderson and Francine Graham are also suspects in the murder of an uber driver. That happened earlier this month. Forty seven year old David Anderson was at one point a member of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement a religious movement that goes back to the nineteenth century and preaches. That African Americans are the true Israel the chosen people. WBZ A. C.. Reported that fifty year old Francine Graham was also a member of the movement but it is not known whether they remain members. I and there is no official confirmation. That the shooting is connected with the movement. Authorities have found antisemitic posts of David Anderson Social Media Account but it is not clear whether he authored those posts one of Francine grams neighbors told NBC. New York the Grammy's will work as a home health aide in Manhattan Aten and owned her own home. According to the neighbor Anderson Graham met through her work and when she met Anderson she became quote a dark a person stops working and stopped paying her condo fees which led to her being a victim. The mayor of Jersey City Steven Fulop. Yup tweeted last week. That the attack on the Jersey City Kosher supermarket was a hate crime and later that in his opinion the couple's original target it was a children's school near the store. However there's no formal verification of these claims as of yet on Saturday? Federal agents arrested thirty five year old pawnshop owner amid a haughty a note with the number of a hottie store was found in David Anderson's pocket after through the shooting a hotly denied having any firearms in the shop but a search turned up three teens. Three handguns and a shotgun wjr federal agents also found hundreds of rounds of ammunition Bahati has been charged with being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. He will appear in court next week. Finally we wanted to share with you. The information revealed during Friday's hearing for one of the suspects in the abduction election and murder of three year old. Alabama girl Camille mckinney. During last week's hearing for Patrick Stallworth. We learned that Stallworth statements to investigators. I place the blame for the child kidnapping and murder squarely on the shoulders of his girlfriend and co-accused Derek Risha Brown on Friday Friday. At Brown's preliminary hearing her own statements to police were divulged indicating the same strategy Birmingham police detective. Jonathan Ross testified testified that during her first three interviews Brown denied having any knowledge of the missing girl however on October twenty first nine days Africa meal L. was abducted from the Tom. Brown Village Apartment Complex Brown asked to talk to the investigators. She told them that the couple had spent all day together then stopped by jet pet before returning to their house. She did not realize the girl was in the car with them until they arrived in jet back home per brown statements statements. She went outside and smoke a cigarette when she returned. She saw shadow pass by the bathroom door. She claimed to have taken meth and track down so she took this as a sign that she was hallucinating. She made a sandwich and then went to bed. Brown told detectives. She woke up in the middle of the night and on her way to use the bathroom. Came upon Patrick Stallworth and Camille. who were on the couch in the living room? Brown Patrick Stallworth was sexually assaulting the Little Girl Doc. She went back to bed and the next day when she asked. Patrick stallworth about the girl. He told her that she'd been tripping and hallucinating. During that the same interview Brown told police quote her boyfriend. Put the baby in a trash bin with old furniture in nearby complex leading them to find the girl's body audie during the hearing detective. Ross also testified stallworth. DNA was recovered. From under the fingernails of CA- meals US left hand. That's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow. And until then stay safe and the sword and scale daily is an incongruity media production. 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The Wizard of Oz

Dig

21:52 min | 8 months ago

The Wizard of Oz

"A listener note. This story is about rape investigations and includes descriptions of sexual violence. The one operated where emergency may hurt felt like it was sitting inside me beyond her. Third will leave you. There was a detective that wanted to talk to me. That's not the time matt necessarily to do a detailed interview. Big No way no how in talking to another guy. I met talk a little guys again. I do not believe that. Is The fault of the Louisville Police Department for honoring her wishes and not going and collecting. This is dig a podcast when the Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting and Mugabe media. I'm eleanor back home. In Valparaiso Indiana Jensen auto is is familiar with the criminal justice system. Her good friend is married to the police chief. She knows a bunch of lawyers around town and is friendly with the judge so when she reported a rape to the Louisville Oval Metro Police Department in January twenty eighteen. She thought she understood how the system would work her. I interact with patrol. Officers shook her but then then the process started to go the way she expected. Her case was assigned to a detective. Lindsay Lynch two weeks later Jeff. Four hour drive back to Louisville for an interview with Lynch about about what happened that night a few weeks later she drove two and a half hours to Indianapolis to meet Lynch to review a photo lineup. There she positively identified the a man who had been at the hotel bar that night the man she says drugged and raped her. She thought the police were moving towards an arrest. But then JEN started having trouble bowl getting answers from Lynch. I just felt like I wasn't in the loop on anything like I was bugging them in another phone calls. I was like how come like my what tester like. How long can expect for this? You have to understand. You're not the only case in this is how it goes and we don't put anybody in front of anybody else and I'm like money asking for that. I'm just wondering Jen. Says she had one phone call with Lynch where the detective told her. Vaginal lacerations can can be caused by tampons. Jen's Rape Kit exam from that night. Documented multiple vaginal lacerations one of which was actively bleeding and throughout the process. Jen says she felt like Lynch was really focused on what the prosecutor was going to do with the case. There's so much talk about make a case for the prosecutor prosecutor. They won't even look get it without your DNA. This didn't make sense degen. Weren't the police the ones that we're GONNA arrest. The suspect was she didn't know was that in Louisville prosecutor screen almost every rate it case before an arrest is made that's what assistant Commonwealth Attorney Christie Gray. The Louisville sex crimes prosecutor told US last time. Essentially it all comes down to whether or not as a prosecutor I believe that the evidence supports our burden which is beyond a reasonable doubt. Police and prosecutors are two different parts of the criminal justice system with two different standards sanders proof Christie grays burden is proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law but police only need probable cause to make an arrest. Let's take a minute talk. About what probable cause is I a definition from Jonathan Kirwin. An attorney advisor Equitas. That's a group of experts that help prosecutors improve their response to sex crimes. The technical definition of probable cause is accepting all the evidence is true does the allegation constitute a crime under under statutory law. That's not a particularly high bar to clear just because an officer has met. It doesn't mean they're going to make an arrest after all only the bare minimum probable. Cause that case may not stand up when prosecutors have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt which is why when it comes to complicated cases like sex crimes. Police will often continue to build a case and collect more evidence beyond just probable cause before making arrest whether they screen every rape case of the prosecutor or not. Police generally want to build a case that a prosecutor will take a case it will end in conviction. Curling didn't comment on Louisville specifically but he says prosecutors set the standard for what cases. They'll take what cases they think can stand up in court art and sometimes when it comes to rape cases they set that bar too high so then that gets transmitted through other disciplines working sexual violence cases and if they they don't think the prosecutor is going to approve it they don't exert the effort and maybe fully investigating it would he just described is called downstream orientation when prosecutors reset that high bar police follow suit worrying about things that aren't there concern at that point like what a jury might do down the road. There's a prime example of downstream orientation tation in the body camera footage from the night Jensen Auto reported a rape to lapd standing in the hallway outside our hotel room officer. Jeremy Wright a patrol officer without specialized actualized training in rape cases is already listing the problems with this case bigger firms. Wires no she. She's the strong one. There's no video too. She's drunk so we don't know how much we can believe out of her. LAPD spokesperson Jessie Holliday. Said Right didn't overstep here because he's still did everything he was supposed to. He called for sex crimes. Detectives he got the victims of the hospital. But it's not just Gen's case I looked at the police. Investigative record for every rate reported to LAPD twenty seventeen and case files for more than two dozen from the FBI statistics that includes reports of rape or attempted rape sodomy or attempted sodomy and under Kentucky Law Sodomy is oral or anal rape. I found several instances where prosecutors I decline cases due to a lack of evidence early in the investigation like when a woman told police. Her partner had raped her a few weeks before she sent the detective photos of bruises. She said we're from the attack. The detective noted that she wouldn't get medical treatment or sexual assault exam. The file shows no other investigation before the detective screen. The case with the prosecutor declined due to a lack of evidence in one case a seventeen year old told police that a friend strangled and sexually assaulted her. She texted the friend the next day and told him she'd repeatedly said I know but he quote did it anyway. He replied with a long angry texts denying that he raped her. The detective never interviewed the suspect and in a note to the prosecutor said the victim didn't get a rape kit exam. Of course a rape kit would only have shown whether sexual contact occurred. Something suspect already admitted to in text messages. It would not have proven whether or not she consented still. The prosecutor declined the case. So the police didn't make an arrest Lieutenant Shannon Lauder head of LAPD special victims is unit strongly disagreed with my review of these cases if it's a case that needs to be screened by prosecutor to determine whether or not to move forward with charges than it's done at the end of the investigation typically typically. I mean we. We have reviewed case files where only the victim was interviewed. The suspect was never interviewed. No other investigative efforts were sort of undertaking and then the case screen green with the prosecutor. I'm not going to allow you to act like my detectives are not thoroughly investigating cases. Because it's going to sound good for your article that's reckless nice of you. It doesn't serve victims for you to say that and I don't appreciate it. My detectives do a thorough job let's go back back to the funnel a told you about last time. One hundred ninety four rapes reported to LAPD. Twenty seventeen in one hundred twenty. Two Cases Records indicate lawyers detectives thought thought they did a thorough enough job to clear the case it identified a suspect and obtained enough evidence to justify an arrest but only thirty cases were able to make that arrest because in Louisville it's up to the prosecutor to decide who the police arrest in rape cases. There are real effects two cases being declined before and arrest is is made for one. If you're not arrested you're never publicly identified as rape suspect. Kentucky law allows law enforcement agencies to protect the identity of suspects accused of crimes. If they're not arrested that means the same person could be accused of Rape Multiple Times without the public knowing or it could be someone you know someone you might be inclined to trust I. I think a lot of victims feel like they need to if they can't get this perpetrator off the street. At least they can notify others. There's that this dangerous person. Eileen Rectum. Walled is the Executive Director of the Kentucky Association of Sexual Assault Programs. She oversees the state's coalition of Rape Rape Crisis Centers. Even if they don't get convicted at least their name was in the paper and perhaps it wouldn't be a good idea if you were considering dating datings person today them and also if no arrests made the prosecutor never has to meet with victim under state law victims. Have a right to be consulted by prosecutors. If they're going to be dismissed but only once it's been indicted no arrest means no indictment which means the prosecutor doesn't have to meet with the victim before or declining the case that's victims like jenn Sonata are left in the dark trying to convince an unseen prosecutor who they never meet. Their case is viable a prosecutor prosecutor. Who isn't just deciding whether to prosecute but even whether the police make an arrest if felt like the prosecutor was the wizard of Oz in March twenty eighteen Jensen LAPD MPG detective Lindsay Lynch and email in the email? Jen asked Lynch what she meant when she talked about the Commonwealth wanting a really strong case to justify moving forward Lynch said Gen must have misunderstood. Once they had enough evidence for judge assigned a warrant. The police would gladly go pick the guy up lynch gave someone else a more or accurate picture of the relationship between police and prosecutors. The suspect My name is Lindsay. Lynch I'M GONNA detective with Wool Metro Police Department. I got the Audio Jio of this phone. Call and many of the documents are hearing about this reporting from Jen's lawyer who got them through a subpoena. Jen is currently suing Marriott. And the man. She accused of rape in civil court. She alleges that the hotel was negligent over serving her and by failing to follow up on a noise complaint from neighbouring room in court filings. The hotel denies negligence. A lawyer for the hotel did not return requests for comment. She also alleges that the man committed battery and inflicted emotional distress in court documents. He Denies Raping Jen. His lawyer declined my interview request on his behalf and said he maintains the encounter was consensual. He hasn't been charged with a crime. So we're not naming him here. It's also why you won't hear his voice in this call from July twenty eighteen At seven months after Japan's initial police report and six months after she picked him out of a photo lineup up until this moment he has no idea. He's the main suspect in an ongoing police investigation Asian so there is a female name Jensen Nado who Says that she met you at the hotel bar there. Do you remember this at all. He says he might have met someone. Can you tell me what happened. What are we talking about so okay the female Mel? She said that she went to the bar and that she doesn't really remember but she's she is saying that she was sexually assaulted. He insists nothing like that happened. Well so I was hoping that you could tell me what did happen. He confirms that he met Jen. He says she was very flirty pursuing him. He says she seemed loopy. Like maybe she was on medication. Lead a few drinks at the hotel bar and then went back to one of the rooms. He couldn't remember which and they had a consensual sexual encounter. He says they talked after and she wanted to keep in touch. He didn't since he's married. He's having a hard time remembering the details and he asks the detective why she's just now calling about something that happened in January to be honest with you what I've been waiting on his DNA results. I was waiting to see if she had seen in her kit. And initial screen of JEN's rape kit found Indiana in the form of saliva. At the time of the call Lynch doesn't yet know WHO's there was. No evidence of Semen Lynch tells the suspect that she was also waiting for the results from the toxicology hawks. Ecology screen gems blood sample from that night showed prescription drugs and marijuana which she said she'd smoked on New Year's Eve a few days before there was no evidence of date rape drugs although the lab didn't test for at least one drug commonly used facilitate rape GHB which can cause feelings of euphoria increased arousal memory loss loss of consciousness and hallucinations nations. Several experts told me that many date rape drugs leave the bloodstream quickly so quickly that a positive test confirms drugs but a negative test doesn't mean they were never there. A urine sample possibly would have held evidence of drugs longer but her urine wasn't tested to we just can't know if she was drugged or not and now you'll hear Lynch begin to distance herself self from the decision making process so this is the way that these things usually work pay. I been collecting evidence on this case. I've been talking with Jen. I've talked to you basically what I do. Is I see what I can find. And then I go to a prosecutor cuter and I say this is what she said. This is what he said. This is what the evidence says and I see what they want to do with the case I. I don't know that anything will come of it. I don't know what's happening It's really up to them. She asks the suspect Jen's clean. There was more than one man in the room that night. He he strongly denies that so lynch floats in new theory. I'm not positive that didn't happen after she left her room in her first phone call with the suspect. She's telling him someone else may have Rape Jen after he had consensual sex with her. He says that's what he was wondering to or she she suggests maybe nothing happened normally especially in cases like this. We need something that proves that there was a a crime and I'm not sure that we have met that. There was limited physical evidence collected from the hotel. The police didn't do any other investigating that night. They never interview. Jen's niece who I told hold about the assault the bartenders at the hotel or the person staying in the next room who called an annoys complaint and in their first phone call with the suspect seven months later they apparently gather no new details following up on because the very next day lynch calling him back so are just got off the phone with the Commonwealth's attorney. Kirsty Steve Curry and she and I both Are under the impression that we do not think that it is a good case he jumps Simpson. Oh my God thank you. He's jubilant Lynch's telling him that she and the prosecutor have agreed. This is not a good case to try. He talks about how this could have been much worse for him. He says he's glad the detective was honest and Cool Lynch asks for is DNA so she can see if anyone else's DNA comes back in the rape kit. He agrees he's and then. He says he wants to by Lynch a cup of coffee. She laughs and says I'll be the one with a swab in your mouth. He asks if he's off the hook she says yes by July two thousand eighteen everyone the police the prosecutor. The former suspect are on the same page about that. Everyone except Jensen Auto. No no one told JEN. Meanwhile Jen continued to email and call the police department asking for updates. She sent them information. She found about the man from her own research in November twenty eighteen. LAPD victim advocate. Nicole Carroll emailed Jen telling her the investigation was ongoing. She wrote the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office does not review cases this is until the DNA results. Come back she does not tell Jen that. Four months prior gray and Lynch had decided. This was not a good case to try. A lot of this process struck me as odd waiting seven months to call the suspect and then telling him right off the bat the name of the woman and what she was accusing him of even floating the theory theory that maybe someone came in after he left and raped her. But I'm not an expert so I called one. Hi Liz Eleanor. Klebanov Elizabeth John Again ran the Austin Texas sex crimes unit for ten years. She now works as a national consultant helping police departments improve their response to sex crimes. She's also running for Sheriff in Austin. So Oh she's a little busy. We played phone tag for a few days before connecting. Nor Oh God you're a real person. I am a real person. I am so glad we can finally connect I asked on again about how detectives should approach a suspect interview in a rape case in these particular crimes. You have to be smarter than your bad guy. She recommended starting with the pretexts phone. Call if possible having the victim. Call the suspect while the police monitor or having the detective reach out for a different reason if not that she said at least don't lead with the fact that he's been accused of rape not the appropriate way to do an interview. You know you know. Show your hand you WanNa see. What can you tell me so that you can utilize that information to poke holes in their story? What admissions can you obtain from your perpetrator? That's it's GonNa help you. Further your investigation. Donnegan said the detective gave up a lot of leverage which he told the suspects. There was no semen in the rape. Kit she said it sounded like the detective was treating the interview like an item to check off her to do list before closing. The case Donnegan knows something about what we're talking about here. She helped build the Austin Police Department into a national model for Fritz response to sex crimes but then in twenty eleven. She said a new supervisor asked her to go back and see if any of her department suspended cases could be cleared by exception and I said if we could have done that we would have done that and I didn't do anything because there was nothing to be done. You know and end what that clearly what they were doing with wanting me to change the closure so it would affect the stats at the end of the year. Donnegan refused to change the cases and she was transferred out of the department but now a group of women have sued the Austin Police Department and the District Attorney's office alleging their cases were mishandled. A state audit found that the Austin Police Department improperly cleared rape cases by exception. The Police Department agreed with those findings in order to third party audit to look more deeply at the issue. The FBI has really firm guidelines for how to clear a case by exception according to uniform crime reporting program the UCR if you abide by what the UCR lays out as what is needed to clear case exceptionally there's no wiggle room. Donnegan said rape cases often get mishandled. Not Because the detectives don't WanNa do a good job but because these crimes aren't always a priority for police departments as an example. She questioned why the interview with the man. Gen Accused of rape happened over the phone. She said a face to face interview is far preferable to assess whether suspect is being truthful told Donnegan the suspect lives out of town. She said they should have flown. The detective there this is potentially drug facilitated sexual assault. Why were you not affording our investigators the opportunity the energy to interview this guy? If it was a homicide we would a few weeks after interviewing the suspect over the phone own. Detective Lynch did get a face to face meeting with him when he came by the police department to give his. DNA Sample Lynch didn't ask him any questions. She didn't try to get any more details. It's about that night. He said I don't even want to get into it so she didn't next time on dig. Honestly I think there's a strong strong likelihood that cases get screened out and they go on to re-offend we don't ever know about dig. League was reported by Eleanor. Klebanov headed by Kate Howard and produced by Laura Ellis Jake Ryan and Alexander. Canet contributed to the reporting coaching to Shiro created our theme music with assistance from Ryan. Marsh Photos Bhai Tyler Franklin and illustrations by carry Niemeier. We received support support for this project from the solutions. Journalism Network a nonprofit organization dedicated to rigorous and compelling reporting about responses to social problems special thanks to Katherine Winter. Eric Peterson Ashley Card Thompson and Janis. Franklin see the photos and documents behind the story at Kyi Dig Dot Org from the Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting and Louisville Public Media. My name is Kelly Sorenson and the vice president of Victim Services at rain. The nation's largest Anti Sexual Violence Organization the National Sexual Assault Hotline Nine can be reached at one eight hundred six five six hope. The goal of the national sexual assault hotline is really to help survivors survivors and their loved ones. Learn more about sexual violence and take the next steps that they feel ready to take in. They're healing journey. What we want people to know that if you or someone you know has been affected by sexual violence? Please consider reaching out to the national sexual assault hotline. We operate twenty four hours a day seven days a week both online and by telephone one eight hundred six five six. Hope we are here for you and we believe you.

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Abducted

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42:20 min | 6 months ago

Abducted

"HBO's new series the outsider based on the bestselling novel by Stephen King starts with the seemingly open and shut investigation. But when the case takes a turn into the unexplainable all season. Detective Ralph Anderson played by Ben Mendelsohn partners with an unorthodox investigator played by Cynthia Areso together. They reconsider everything thing. They know to uncover the terrifying truth executive produced by Jason Bateman and adapted by Richard Price. The outsider airs Sundays at nine PM on HBO. Be Oh I'm lester holt tonight on dateline. We take you inside one of this winter's biggest mysteries Texas mob a newborn baby who both vanished. We need you home while daughter stone. She left without anything. No baby baby formula and diapers no close. We were beside ourselves. This was really all hands on deck was absolutely all hands on deck. We have to move heaven and earth to defined that child. We were looking hard at the the on. Say earning donor what to do. A lot of people thought that his interviews came across strange. All the sudden. There was breaking news. Wait a minute I just got a text or my God. This mystery is literally unfolding as you're live on air. Oh my God I don't even WanNa see this. Your heart skips a beat the devil's work to tackle that Croatia from us Andrea canning with abducted. Heidi per sort with her newborn born baby margot the very picture of motherly bliss. Heidi just seem so happy. It was exactly what she wanted. Her Close Knit Circle of friends was just as happy watching. Heidi cherish those first days with her daughter just beautiful thing to see like she was glowing knowing glowing. None of these friends ever imagined that circle of trust would be broken. It was really a lot of betrayal patrols. A great word for all angry. Were all upset. Why did you take my friend? She never hurt anyone. One we begin our story in Austin Texas Thursday December twelfth two thousand nineteen two weeks after Margo was born. It was a typical busy morning. For thirty-three-year-old Heidi the bubbly young mom lived with her fiance. Shane Kerry and and their two children in this modest apartment complex. The day started early. F- seeing Shane off to work tending to baby Margo and getting her six year old son Silas Silas to school. I think she probably woke Silas up and started to get the baby ready wall. Silas got himself dressed. Destiny fine was one of Heidi's closest friends runs. They probably brush their teeth together because they did that quite often. I'm sure she made his lunch and got his breakfast ready. And then they got out the door as quick as they could hide you drop up Silas off at school shortly after eight. AM nothing out of the norm. There hours later her fiance. Shane got home from work expecting to see Heidi and baby Margot Argo. After all he saw Heidi's car in the parking lot when he pulled in but Heidi and Margot weren't home now she was supposed to hang out with a friend that day. I think he just thought that she had went to hang out with her friend. Early Sheen wasn't too worried and went about his day but as the hours passed he realized his son needed to be picked up from after school activities so we headed out to get him and when he and Silas got home still no hi dear Margo. That's when Shane became alarmed. I spoke to Shane Thursday tonight. He asked me if I had heard from her. Have you talked to Heidi today. Because I can't find her back I can't find her. Rebecca lived hours away in Houston. Listen but was like a sister to Heidi and talked to her all the time. And he's like I went and Got Silas but I I. I don't know where Heidi is and I'm like well. Where's Margo will? He says she she must have her at her. So it gives you chills. Absolutely Rebecca says it wasn't like Heidi to forget Silas not at all will and it bothered Rebecca. That Heidi's car was unlocked with her person side. And all baby Margot's things were still in the apartment. I mean aw. Shane was like the diaper bags even here back like she can't even change Margot's diaper. Rebecca says. She tried not to worry and she knew. Heidi was friendly. Love to chat on to help a friend or neighbor maybe she was in the apartment complex somewhere she just started talking. You know she's helping someone Helping someone talk to their problem and just lost track of time but as it got darker and colder outside there was still no sign of Heidi. Your Margot Oh at about seven PM Rachel West. Heidi's Coworker at an Austin restaurant. Heard about what was going on and couldn't make sense of it if anyone would know where Heidi was she would. I was like last resort of where Heidi would be. Because I did everything together you know. Did you try to call. Heidi yes did it go straight smell and I texted her. Heidi like I literally just set her name. An attack was nothing. She would always respond to you. I'm sure always always always. Yep Not at this time hoping to find her. Rachel headed straight to the Strip mall across the street from Heidi's apartment complex main issues in you know the grocery store. The grocery has to bear so I finally went to the apartment Shane. That's when chain called Heidi's mom Tammy bussard and broke. The News that her only child was missing. I called the police others not panicking. My husband was in either all he would tell me baby. We're GONNA find were. Were you scared at this point or was it like no. She's fine. We'll sort this out. I was scared I was determined to go find her. Heidi's parents lived five hours away in Louisiana but jumped in their car and high tailed to Austin and the Austin Police Department immediately responded to Shane's anes call and launched a missing person's investigation but that first day ended with no news. Where on Earth were Heidi and Margot when we come back? Concern grows and the mystery deepens. Were exploring every avenue that we have in every possibility you felt so helpless. We couldn't do anything more often than not if someone is missing or abducted person that did the crimes very close to the person that's missing. I said somebody's somebody's got really yes as the day dawned over Austin Texas Heidi Broussard and her newborn daughter were still. You'll missing nearly twenty four hours. After they were last. Seen for Heidi's closest girlfriends. Each passing hour was pure torture. None of us slept that night. I mean we were just you felt so helplessly. We couldn't do anything. We had no idea where she was. Or what year was that. She had dropped silence off at school. That morning yes and then and then nothing renew nothing. They were sure about one thing. Heidi would never just leave her family without saying a word lifelong friend Rebecca would swear on it. She knew she you to come to me if she needed to go somewhere she wouldn't have left and not come to me and Rachel had never known Heidi to run away from anything. She was too optimistic domestic energy. She has brought was super infectious. And you wanted it. And you wanted to be a part of why she so joyous and because he doesn't want to be happy excite was happening in fact most days she says Heidi couldn't contain her joy back. I'll never ever stop singing. The young mom grew up in Lake Charles Louisiana. The only child in a tight knit family where church was a big part of her life including Bible camp. Heidi how do you want church every Sunday. And she raised her kids in church. And anytime I strayed from my faith you know. Heidi was the one that brought me back to it. Heidi met her fiance. I'd say Shane working at a lake. Charles Casino more than a decade ago. Their son Silas was a surprise. But Heidi's friends say she was thrilled to be a mom six years later she was expecting again. This time. A little girl. Everybody was excited. You know silence was always rubbing her belly and everything. Her friends learned the news at her gender reveal party. They popped balloons the balloons in order to and whichever balloon popped that had the powder in it. It was going to be the color. They literally pops every balloon till the last one that had the color of it. So it was still pink powder. Yes yes and when Heidi had little margo in late November she was surrounded by loved ones one of her close friends. Megan drove from in Houston for this special occasion. Even though she told Heidi she was pregnant to and do any day. Heidi was over the moon for her. It was all about the children. They were her life priority. She was the ultimate mom. Oh absolutely oh the best but you got the EH. The bond between her and Silas is something that I am so glad I had the pleasure of seeing in my lifetime. Heidi's mom had also seen that bond and now it was leading her to a frightening conclusion. I said somebody's got her really. Yes because Hollywood would've never left solace sugar never done that that's a really scary feeling Who could have had her? Though at the moment I didn't know Heidi's friends couldn't bear the thought thought of Silas. Being without his mom and sister they knew law enforcement was hard at work but they couldn't just sit back and wait for news so they launched their own investigation investigation and started by spreading the word that Heidi had disappeared. We constantly posted online. Have you seen Heidi bussard and her infant infant daughter. You know if you see her. Please call local police. Carleen Laughlin lived hours away so she worked the phones talking to anyone on and everyone who came to mind. I tried to ask everyone. I knew. Mutual Friends of ours if they had heard from her. Or anything. Like that. And you know one did you must have just been like. Where are you like? Tell us where you are. Everyone was like that. Meanwhile Heidi's Austin friends focused on organizing volunteers search parties to set on foot. I searched every single day for her. Where did you go Wooded areas water parks. I went to places she knew. Were you asking people. Hey have you seen yes see. Numerous people and destiny and I went knocking on doors in the apartment one by one. Oh Yeah we we did the whole nine. Were you like Kinda appearing inside. Oh yeah without being too intrusive. Our absolutely appeared inside Austin police officers were already canvassing the area with the help of the Texas Rangers and FBI Special Agent in charge Christopher combs coordinated the FBI's efforts the Austin Police Department called US asked us for any assistance that we would have. Why did they bring you in Austin? Police Department is a very capable police department but they don't often have to the deal with mothers and missing children where the FBI has teams. That's solely focused on that. At what point did you become involved. In the case it was a few days into the case and to us. It was pretty clear we needed to bring in our special child. Abduction Response Team but despite the added manpower days past asked with no news the longer time goes by frankly the percent chance of recovering. The mother of the children alive goes down dramatically Heidi's friends began to fear the worst. You have to be prepared for anything you prepare for the worst and hope for the best to deal with the stress and sadness of it all destination. Rachel started a group text with Megan. What was the idea behind the group tax mostly just to keep each other updated? Meghan was in Houston Ben. Her whole thing was that she couldn't get there because she had a new baby and that she felt like she was helpless because she couldn't do anything it was to keep her informed and to lean on each other it was to lean on each other after five days. Local detectives held their first press conference. But it wasn't the update everyone had hoped hope for this case is unique in that. We don't have a person of interest right now. We're exploring every avenue that we have every possibility. Jacqueline Powell is a reporter reporter and anchor at NBC affiliate K.. Exxon she was struck by the outpouring of concern for Heidi and Margot in the days that followed people in the community were so invested. Did you know people didn't know this lady from atom they were very invested. I think especially because there is a newborn baby involved. I mean there's something not right at play way. Yeah so that's why people are so interested. The story went national the FBI is now joined the urgent search for a mother. Let us turn out that desperate search in Texas for missing mother and her newborn baby scared and desperate for leads. Heidi's parents took to the airwaves to make public appeal. NBC See News Correspondent. Sam Brock spoke to them. But we're asking anyone has Whoever it is that has her nose? Anything displeased come forward and let our babies come home despite the sombre tone of the investigators dwindling hope among Heidi's friends. Her parents had faith. She and Margaux. Were alive hopeful. At this point that they're going to find Heidi yes. Yes Oh oh yes list. And she'll fight for that child and she'll get home. She will get home to her son and two family for investigators investigators. No one was about suspicion more often than not if someone is missing or abducted the person that did the crime is very close to to the person that's missing or adopted. Rachel found that out firsthand. I I got interrogated for two hours really I mean. Did you feel like it was an interrogation so he asked me hard questions and I was honest. All the time did any of the questions get to the point where I was like. Did you do this or were you feeling like they were trying to get that out of you. He asked asked me if I would ever heard Heidi and I said No. You don't hurt people you love. Rachel says later she was told she was never really under suspicion but they needed to be sure there was someone people around town were talking about someone very close to Heidi coming up everything everything hurts. Everything hurts and I don't want to do a lot of people thought that his interviews came across strange Heidi's fiance Shane of man under the microscope. The people all over or making comments I did not rule anyone out when dateline continues. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit down. PODCASTS I get together with director writer and producer. Eva Do Vernay to talk about making history with films like Selma and her net flicked series. When they see us? Get it now for free. Wherever you download your podcasts? We love you best. You need your home five days after Heidi Broussard went missing her parents were heartbroken. Didn't know what to do but giving up was not an option we're talk authorities and it will never stop with the FBI child abduction response team now onboard the investigation was in high gear with the FBI. I brings to the table is is resources and expertise. The FBI team included high-tech specialists behavioral scientists and dozens of agents adding boots on the ground in an already intensive search. This was really all hands on deck in the search for Heidi Yard and her daughter. This was absolutely all hands. Ondeck we bring his so much more manpower that we can take the time and use that manpower to really search through every single piece of evidence and we brought fifty F. B. I. personnel in just focused on this. If there were any leads nobody what he was talking about them at their news. Conference police said there was no person of interest but the press attendance had a person of great interest. You say Shane Keri K.. Accion reporter Jacqueline Powell was there when we went that press conference. Everybody's asking questions about Shane. Kerry okay and Police were very careful not to talk about him at all but Shane seem perfectly willing to talk. He was interviewed at length by police and he made himself available to local and national media. Everything hurts everything hurts donor. What to do have grit support? I don't know what to do. What's the first step make you feel better to know? We saw agents here today going and trying to get surveillance video talking to people and they did. That's what they've been doing all morning. Oh Oh yeah yeah everybody. It was great good and they told me issue. He gave several interviews right off the bat and and you know people thought he seemed to be we all over the place People notice that sometimes it's almost like he had a nervous laugh. She loves her friends. She loves her family and she would tell somebody and though nobody knows less person to speak for a lot of people thought that his interviews came across strange change. But I was thinking well if your newborn baby and longtime girlfriend or missing and it may seem MHM suspicious to you. I who might a judge how someone's reacting in the rough and tumble world of social media. There was no such reluctance. People were very critical of him. You know it's my job to go stock. His facebook page his social media and his dad social media and people were brutal. Hey good evening everybody. The story of the missing mother and daughter caught the attention of J. Rish Melissa Baeau and Christie Proto posts of a crime podcast called J is for justice which has more than twenty four thousand subscribers. Nationwide why did you choose that one to cover while I heard about it and I immediately went back to a prior case that we have covered extensively and it reminded me of that a little bit. I'm that was Chris Watts case Chris. What's the Colorado man who also spoke to the media about his missing family? He eventually pleaded guilty to murdering murdering his wife unborn son and two daughters so there was a lot of buzz. Is this Chris Watts two point. Oh and with a baby and mother missing. That really caught my attention as the podcast hosts reported on Heidi's disappearance listeners offered their views and the Jay is for justice justice chatroom. What kind of things where people saying theories discussion is? There were several theories. Maybe the boyfriend had something to do with it. Maybe she. She disappeared on her own accord mothers and their babies. Don't just disappear every day right right. I think the primary one that you know everybody was focusing on looking hard hard at the boyfriend because it's always the the first one people look at Heidi's friend. Rebecca heard all of the talk about Shane. People Thought Shane killed killed her. And the baby People all over. We're making comments the media everybody that it was him. My girls will be watching youtube videos list of people bashing Shane and literally. Click them off. When I walked in the door I'll be honest at that point? I just wanted her back care even if it was him I did not rule anyone out. Everyone's everyone was guilty. None of Heidi's close friends wanted to believe it was someone close to her and they were supportive of shame. They also knew Heidi's relationship was far from perfect Shane. Heidi had their ups and downs. I know their relationship was very rocky and and they had split up a few times but I mean she always went back to him because she saw something good in him. Despite their sometimes volatile relationship idea enchaine seemed to have repaired things and they'd happily embrace their role as parents as the days passed and the chances for a safe return seemed to be slipping away. Heidi's friends focus and fears. Were all about Heidi and Margot is your mind starting to wander to that a really dark place that she may not be alive anymore. Yeah that ran through. Everyone's mind and we knew we. You had to prepare for it. If it did happen. They tried to brace themselves for the worst but nothing could prepare them for the devastating truth that was about to be revealed coming up. Live on the podcast a stunning break in the case. Wait a minute I just got a tax on my God. Police rushed to the home in. Houston what would they learn about Heidi and Margot Argo. You're thinking what was going on. She hiding out there Heidi broussard's friends were doing their best to keep the story of her disappearance appearance public. One of them agreed to do an interview on that. Jay is for justice podcast which streams video and live commentary on Youtube. Appreciate taking the time to talk to US tonight. I know that you're extremely busy trying to find Heidi. And that's what we're here to help you with. Thank you UH. It was December nineteenth exactly one week after Heidi and Margo went missing. What was the intent of your podcast? That day okay. So the purpose of the podcast cast that day was to find out a little bit more about Heidi their friendship the relationship with her fiance and also raise awareness about her being missing the long. Have you known Heidi. The interview went on for an uneventful ninety minutes. And then wait a second guys breaking news all the sudden in the chat that there was breaking news that there was a raid going on in Houston Texas missing often woman and her newborn baby. F-first I I blew it off. I was like this has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Northwest Harris County home swarmed by F. B. I.. Austin Police Jay is for justice subscribers. Drivers are a big part of the podcast providing running commentary. I had three thousand people in my chat room. They were very persistent. Why was everybody's so persistent? They were seeing seeing that it had to do with a missing person in Austin and that the Austin Police Department was at this rate in Houston Is it may be connected to a high profile case in that moment. The podcast about Heidi took on a sudden urgency as local news. Helicopters hovered over the house in Houston J.. Jay asked her chatroom followers for help. I'm wondering right now on this home that they're at right now. I know that there's people in this chat they can find Out who lives in this home so if someone can look that up I know tons of flutes and your listeners quickly found the address and posted it Heidi's Heidi's friend Carly Laughlin was in the chat room and decided to do some sleuthing of her own. I started googling who address belong to. What did you find out? Oh Baby Registry popped up you put an address a baby registry POPs up. Yeah Interesting Harley. Jump back into the PODCAST. I am typed her discovery into the live chat. Some there's fat that's there is a baby registry to the owners of that house helps caning may get Megan Humphrey and Christopher Green had the baby registry Whereas all my God Oh my God Meghan thirty? Three years old had been friends with Heidi since they were teenagers. She told Heidi Ready. They had due dates just days apart and they'd been happily talking about their pregnancies. She was the one who drove all the way from Houston to be at Heidi side when Margo was born and when Heidi went missing she joined the circle of friends trying to find her she was very actively involved in calling. All of the friends is in and checking and saying if we had heard anything worships at just as upset as the rest of us just devastated that she and Margaret were missing Megan also tried to comfort Heidi's parents she called Heidi's parents. What did she say to them? Just how concerned she was and make sure they're okay and During one call Heidi's mother expressed concern for Meghan. Reminding her to take care of herself in total. I said are you eating or are you taking care of your baby care of yourself ensues. Now I'm worried I'm worried about highly highly would won't you to feed your baby now on the live podcast Heidi's front was trying to make sense of the breaking news in Houston that Megan her best friend friend met her at Church. Campus me why she would not be there. John Saying Heidi would not would not be there. Meghan I talked to Megan every day all day. Wait a minute wait a minute this girl. Megan just a baby Grand Luna. She's four checking our ticketing days. Old Her to your best best friend does make him doesn't live in Houston. Oh does she in my own. What are you thinking in that moment as all this information is is swirling around you? It didn't makes sense. We were thinking. Why was she at Megan's house? What was going on? was she hiding out there. What was going on your thinking that she could still be alive because Meghan was her friend then suddenly more alarming news from that rating Houston? Oh Oh wait a minute. I just got a text. Oh my God I'm over here for out. I'm sorry. Oh my God I you WanNa say this I can only everybody else can just tell us. I'm GonNa Mute Chat Youtube Right now. They news choppers at the scene broadcast pictures of a car parked right up against the back of Megan's house. Strange what was happening opening coming F- felt like I was in a dream. The revelation that would stop everyone hold my life was like crashing down in that moment it completely crushed when dateline continues. You want to be president. I've watch many candidates ran for their party's nomination but only a few knew how to get it a microphone. PODCAST is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six league's episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers hope still lives and the dream shall never die so you want to be president with Chris Matthews and MSNBC podcast search. Now wherever you're listening and subscribe episode three available now. Thursday December nineteenth as day turned to night all eyes. We're focused on this home in northwest Houston. Police entered the house. Where Heidi broussard's close friend? Megan lived with her ex boyfriend. They've been tight-lipped about their investigation squad cars ambulances and a medical examiner's van were standing by all of them would be needed word of Heidi came. I it was the news. No one wanted the devoted friend and loving mother authorities say she was found stuffed into a Duffel bag in the trunk of Megan Humphries car and that she was strangled. It's shocking yeah and so unbelievable I you break down down because they missing and then you break down to find out that she was dead. When you find out the details start getting angry? My life was like crashing down in that moment I mean my life started crashing down the night. He went missing when they found her. It crashed completely crushed. Yup Yup I felt like I was in a dream. This happens to other people. It doesn't happen to us. You never think that you're gonNA wake up one day and someone who is like your little sister be gone. You just never expect to be a part of such a horrible story. Knowing Heidi's fate only made those watching these events unfold. Were even more about Margo then a a flurry of activity not far from where Heidi was found. Police formed a human shield in front of news cameras. As a small bundle was carried to an ambulance. It was Margot Margo was alive and unharmed Heidi's mother Tammy got a call from detectives about her granddaughter. What did can you tell you? She said that she had more going. Margaret was say. What's that moment like where you learn that Margot Mergel is okay? I was happy I couldn't even think of something like this happening to my grandbaby and my daughter. Rebecca heard that good news from her sister. That was a silver lining in that sobbing moment. I'm on the phone with her She's like trying to stop me. Because because I'm hysterical and she's like but Beckham Margot's alive she's alive. It's a miracle that that Margo was alive. Oh my God because anybody who could be that Dr can do what they did to Heidi. Who knows what they're capable of? As for Megan she was found in the House with Margo. She was ultimately taken into custody and initially charged with kidnapping and tampering with a corpse. Macon was booked under her legal name. FAREHAM USCA some. Who knew her say? They didn't even recognize her when we saw those pictures that it just wasn't who I remembered. She looks different but almost dark like it's something's changed. Her Meghan who had been so close to Heidi had talked to her about her own pregnancy and join the efforts to find her. In Megan's arrest warrant affidavit police laid out the leads in evidence that they say led them to Megan's door among them. Megan told her ex boyfriend that she'd given birth and he believed it was his baby even though they'd been broken up for several months Megan told him she delivered the baby on December twelfth near Huston but according to police her cell phone pinged near Heidi's apartment in Austin that day the very day Heidi audion margot disappeared security camera video from one of Heidi's neighbors captured images that day of a woman believed to be Heidi carrying a baby to Lecarr with another woman in it. They talked to a witness. Who told them she was sixty to seventy percent sure that the woman in the car was Megan and the car was later or seen driving away and there was something else in the document about what investigators say? Megan was doing before Margot was even born so from looking at her internet searches ages. They found that from a couple of weeks before Margo was born until they were investigating that more than one hundred sixty two times begging for your musket had searched Heidi broussard's name which to me? Sounds like you're obsessed when they heard all this Heidi's friends were angry and quick to judge. Megan they said they felt deceived by the concern she expressed during the week. Heidi was missing. I confided in her. My feelings nine texted Megan and I just said I'm sick over this like physically sick and she had texted me back something similar and everything she texted me was just you know wishing that that things were different and she really played. This story made me feel super betrayed. I mean it disgusts discuss me down to my core that it turned out this way because she she really played it as crazy like your best friends. You took your best friend's baby and you don't do that. You don't do that for now. Meghan Fareham USCA is sitting sitting in the Travis County jail and just this week. The case against her took a more serious turn. Megan has now officially been charged with capital murder in the the death of Heidi Broussard. Megan has not spoken publicly nor has she entered a plea but in recent statements. Her lawyers have warned against the rush to judgement until the facts are in and say they intend to defend Megan vigorously. They insist the account in the arrest warrant affidavit has quote nothing more than your your allegations and quote and say despite their continued requests the government has yet to disclose any evidence against their client. Finally they say at this point under the law. She is presumed innocent but if Meghan did what she's charged with the one question everyone has is why coming up for hard to beat there for the birth was very odd. Megan was she doing here. Heidi trusted Meghan. Yup I trusted Meghan. I don't think Megan Dennis by herself. You there was another person. Yes uh three days after Christmas. Heidi broussard was laid to rest in her hometown of Lake Charles Louisiana the funeral. I'm sure must have been extremely difficult. was someone someone said that they they could hear baby margot When it was silent in the funeral they could hear her? The pastor even made a comment he said let her cry. He said it's a beautiful found. None of US minded it. We didn't We were. We're glad that she was there. The story could have been worth still. It's such a painful story. For Six year old Silas the whale all that he let out after he comprehended as much as he could that his mama was never coming home like. It's too much and not replays over my head. It's too much nobody should ever have to be part of that. Thank you for hiding back home. In Austin Silas Camargo and Their Dad attended a memorial service earlier this month. The community is now Supporting chain not whispering about him and since Megan's arrest no one including the authorities is saying that he had anything to do with Heidi's disappearance. It's GonNa Take Shane Matz recovered just from what he was. Put through in this whole searching for hiding support and time may may bring some healing to Heidi's family but it's also bringing more questions about the case. What would be justice for Heidi at this point in your mind everybody who is involved To be brought to justice because I don't think Meghan to this by herself you think there was another side is very very strong and especially when it comes circuits for kids are in harm. Forget about that you had angry mama bear and she'll do anything for kids so she thought. In that moment Margo was going to be harmed. She would have done anything and everything today. haven't said if they're investigating a possible accomplice in Hindsight Heidi's friends also have questions about something that happened in the hospital. The the day Marco was born. Megan was there as Margot was being introduced. A Heidi's family including the baby's grandfather tie Rachel. West had heard about what happened happened. I just heard like that tie was holding. Margo and Megan County came in took margot out of his arms. And you're not gonNA fight over new baby. That's odd tie is Margot's grandfather. He's POPs so no. You should never ever take a baby out of a GRANDPA's arms for the first time. Timmy broussard. And her husband. David got to the hospital. Spital after that incident Tammy says she was surprised in bothered that. Megan was there for her to be there for the birth was very odd. Megan yeah I was thinking. was she doing here. And when I walked in and saw her thought it was very strange. Police cited that scene in the arrest. Warrant affidavit it also according to the document the FBI provided an assessment of something known as maternal desire we asked the FBI's Christopher combs about that. You would not discuss specifics of this case. But he was familiar with the term and told us he's aware of instances of women taking children from their mothers. We have seen in a number of occasions where a woman has either lost a child or has been unable to have a child where that takes over their mind possesses their mind and to try to obtain a child. And that's either through stealing them in hospitals and we've seen that or by befriending women who have children and if the arrest warrant affidavit is correct and it was megan who got Heidi and Margot into her car reaches says. That's not surprising at all if that that was megan in that video. How do you think she got Heidi out to the car with the baby? I think Meghan was like hey. I'm coming through town. I'm here here surprise. I'm here. Come down like comes. Come see me real quick. I only go. That was something. Heidi did sometimes hang out in the car or listen to music. Yeah numerous lines to sit in the car. Listen to music talk so my favorite moments was so you don't think it would have been that hard to get Heidi out the car with the especially. It'd be Meghan. Heidi didn't think twice. Heidi trusted trusted Meghan. Yup I trusted Meghan as for baby. Margot she safe at home with family life will be different it but she and Silas will be loved. Are you hopeful for the future for Silas and Margot yes as much as we can between unsigned TA Just make sure that they have the childhood. They should happen hot. What Hollywood give and the family won't have to do it alone? Heidi's circle of friends has made a firm vow to help as well. I've known silence since he was too. That's my boy. Oh I love him more than life is in so much pain I love Margot. I'm going to be their kids. Are My priority. Now would you and everyone everyone else make. Sure that that Heidi's memory is really kept alive for Silas and Margot. Oh absolutely. It's a big part of my future. Those kids will know who she really was and how much she loved. I want them to remember her for her. Contagious laugh. And are bright. Bright Blue is that was Heidi's life as what she did make somebody smile. She'd give compliments to strangers. She was that girl. So that's what what people need to remember. And that's what people need to bring into their everyday lives. We could all use a little bit of love a little bit. Heidi That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at nine eight central and of course each weeknight for NBC nightly news. I'm Lester Holt for all of us at N._B._C.. News good night.

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Celebration of Life - Monthly Recap

Capt. Hunter's Podcast

38:29 min | 7 months ago

Celebration of Life - Monthly Recap

"And welcome to another episode of Captain Hunters podcast. Thank you so much for tuning being in a truly appreciate the love and support that you all have been giving thank you so much for what you all are doing to make this podcast to go into growth. Thank thank you so much they say when you enter the podcasting world that you should not always monitor your numbers. Keep track of numbers However I tend to be a little hard headed with that and I actually do follow the numbers so I wanNA say as at Christmas gift for the end of this month of December Christmas or Hanukkah? Whatever holiday you you celebrate the just put it like that but certainly in my case I take it as a Christmas gift that the numbers have grown much in for the month of December? I have had more active downloads this month than in the previous months and I wanna say thank you to the audience who was growing and going. I want to say thank you to those Members members of the audience who have been sharing liking subscribing. Thank you so much I appreciate. It is truly been paying off and I truly appreciate all that so as we usually do for the month of for the end of the month. We're going to do an end of the month. Wrap up now. I know that there's been much happening in law enforcement. I will not attempt to address all of these things but I just a few of them. I hope that everyone is having a very good safe productive holiday season. Whatever whatever it is you celebrate Kwanza Christmas or Hanukkah? Whatever it is you celebrate? I hope that your holidays are good. And you're enjoying the true spirit of the season which is about family which is about brightness in hope if we take a look at this time of year. We understand that it's really about The darkest time of the year the winter solstice being the the twenty first of December so the darkest time of the year and therefore we celebrate somehow some way in whatever fashion that is that the light has come back into the world or that the world is going to get lighter and brighter and everything like that. So if you're looking at it from that perspective I hope that everything within your life is going better as we enter into the new year. I hope that you have these thoughts on your mind as you enter into the new year as we have been starting a new segment. I have decided to a talk about how to make you the best you that you can be right how to make view the best you that you can be and so this new segment that we've been starting so I decided to incorporate that into this particular episode into the monthly. Wrap up so we can focus on a lot of things now i. I had something that I wanted to talk about. What let me does deviate and talk about something different? And that is how we deal with grief On Christmas Day no less. I had a member of my family pass away. It's incredibly hard during any time of the year. Let's just be honest about hi. This is going to be hard to deal with the debt no matter what the time of year is but we understand that number one death is inevitable bill and it's coming To each into every one of us I had my own scare and brush with death At least that's how I look at it any way with my triple bypass clearly. If I hadn't not had the medical insurance in the the wherewithal to go to the doctor I might not be able to be here today. I'm truly grateful Info for all the medical advances that we have had and everything else like that. But I wanted to talk about the celebration of life just for a few moments before we get into our typical monthly. Not Wrap Up. I WanNa talk about the celebration of life and what that means right so many times we we go to funerals in we grieve and our own way and these funerals While they are essentially religious ceremonies. Right it's important for us to be able to gre- in our own way. We are going to miss our loved ones we are going to think about our loved ones And sometimes there can be a little bit of a guilt that is felt by those who have been left behind. And so I I wanna say to you the loved ones. You should not feel guilty. You should not feel any type of remorse for what what happened. Try to get over any type of feelings of remorse or guilt or negative feelings about The passing of a loved one one. We understand that sometimes people are taken away from US way too soon right through traumatic injuries. Accidents Diseases But what we can do in the meantime is try to make the best of the time that we have with each and everyone of us I know this does not sound comforting as as we go forward but try to as you dealing with the passing the loss of a loved one. Think about the good time that you had think about the time that they laughed that you made them laugh that they made you laugh. Think about the Times that they helped you the time that you help them the Times as they were there for you the Times you were there for them. Think about the good times and celebrate their life. Make sure that you take this time. As we as many Christians will celebrate the life coming thing into the world right the light and the life coming into the world they celebrate this and so I want you to celebrate the life of a loved one whether a person person is here right now. One of the best things that I've ever heard is to give someone their flowers while they can smell them. So take this time as we enter turn to the new year as we celebrate Christmas or Hanukkah holidays whatever holiday you celebrate take this time to celebrate the life of the loved one around you while you have them that life that the baby that was born into the world that toddler that teenager full grown adult than midlife crisis adult in the elderly. About take time to celebrate their life give them their flowers while they can smell them. Enjoy your time around them. I know it's hard to lose loved. Loved ones in words really can't fix the pain. Only time heals the wound in time things will get better in. In the meantime celebrate their life. Look at pictures. Look at videos talk about them. Keep their memory alive through discussions passing down any saying that they had listened to the music that they loved. Listen to the poems that they may have written. Look the artwork that they may have drawn Celebrate their life and don't just think about what you have missed yes we will miss them yes they will be missed. yest- just the pain of the loss in the sorrow that we feel is it hurts sometimes to the bone but just continue to focus on the good parts of their life. Continue to focus on everything that was good and positive how they made your life better if I can recall. Recall back to my former days being a crisis intervention officer. We understand that there are different ways that people deal with loss and grief and so people grieve in different ways. Don't let anyone ever tell you that the way that you're grieving isn't right. If you WanNa cry and cry let it out if if you don't WanNa cry don't let someone talk you into crying. Be Real in your emotions be real in your sympathy. Be Real in your empathy. Be Real in your grieving living process. I think there's a there's a few things that we have to really understand and that's to acknowledge. The pain acknowledged the in fact. You are going to miss. This person. Acknowledged it's okay. You're going to miss this person. They made you laugh. They made you cry. They made you sick sometimes. Sometimes sometimes you wanted them to leave other times. You could not wait to be in the presence. Just acknowledge your pain in as I said before right does is no right way to more. There's no right way to go through laws. Go through in your own way and in your own time you gotta take some time off from work you have to take some time away from the kids do what you have to do. In order to to really get through and get to the heart of the matter you might also want to seek support sometimes. That support is religious support. It can be a family and friends support. Sometimes some people don't want to be alone. That's okay it's Takeda. Don't WANNA be alone seek out the people that you respect and want to be around. Seek those people out who have that encouraging word and if someone's is coming to you be that encouraging shoulder for them to cry on be that person that they can go to have that encouraging word and sometimes you don't even have to say anything sometimes There's always this push to say something you know to make the pain go away but sometimes just listening to them. Let him cry just wiping their tears and just being Sympathetic shoulder for them to cry on. Sometimes that's just enough and Let me just finish this off with saying sometimes if the grief can last too long then we can get in fall into depression so just keep an eye on that and If you have a loved one who is going through some type of mourning process assis or through the grieving process. A let them go through it but Just keep an eye out for it in case it goes a little too long in they slip into depression where they don't ever want to go back to work or maybe they don't want to Go back to their normal daily activities right eventually. We have to get back to living. And that's that seems harsh but it's true we have to go back to living those loved ones if they really loved us and we we really loved them they would understand that you have to get back to living at some point at some place in time. We have to get back to daily routines and things as normal. But in the meantime don't be afraid to grieve and to mourn into go through that process the best that you can don't be afraid to cry so we all know about the five the stages of grief right we have. I The denial. I can't believe this loved one is gone something like that. We can be mad that the next stage would be anger I mad about what's going on young. Be Mad at God or mad at the higher power. Whatever you call that that this thing was going on the next phase will be bargaining bargaining? I'll do anything to get this person back in my life. God if I can just have a few more minutes just one more day with person depression. That's that's the point where we talked about before where we're just too sad to get anything done You know we can't get back to work. We can't get back to functioning normally and then of course black lace is acceptance this acceptance. Is You know just a place where we need to get to in all of our lives. Won't we deal with grief and with loss the place where we are at peace with what happened. We may never like it. We may not accept it as as something that we take positive additive but we understand that has happened and we understand that we need to pick ourselves up if you will dust ourselves off and keep going on so i. I know it's hard I know it's tough To those people who have lost people during this holiday season my condolences to you as I said I lost one of my own family members verse He will be missed in DUB. We're going to go through the process next week. We'll be coming back at you going to be continuing with our homework and with our homework assignments you know as we talked about What do you WanNa do following homework assignment? was you know what stopping you. The homework for this week is as we go into the new year. What are you new year's plans? I'm not talking about resolutions that we all come up with and we quit two weeks after into the month. But what are we really going to do it. In order to make is better. How about this as a homework assignment? Going forward for twenty twenty as we go into the new year. How about We make sure that we give those people in our lives the flowers while they can smell them. How about we do that? How if we could all do that? We're going to a new year. How `Bout we really let? Go those grudges. Let go those grievances. Let go those hurts and pains and let's try to make twenty twenty a better year emotionally emotionally for us as we all know that we are not guaranteed to be here for a very long period of time so if we can just make sure that we are going to make sure that this year that the next year twenty twenty as a better year than it was right. Get rid of those of all that baggage. It's not worth it We're only here for short period of time and his no sense in being mad and angry and not talking to people for long periods of time. So those family members that you're not communicating with how much communicate with them. You don't have to be around them. I'm not saying that I have to be around them all the time but I am saying. Did you. Not to hold grudges. I am saying that so they try to make that a homework assignment for all of us as we go forward. So let's get into the monthly rap as usual. There's a lot of different stories though we we could talk about. I can't discuss every single story out there but the major stories I think our talking about I wanNA talk about. Is the Michael Bell Story Guys. Go back and listen to the Michael Bell Story on the PODCAST. It was an episode that I called Culture of corruption Michael Bell Senior. His son Michael Bell L.. Junior was killed by the Kenosha. Wisconsin Police Department ever since two thousand four he has been on a crusade to get justice into find out the truth and for the For for him to find out the truth and for the Kenosha Police Department in Kenosha Wisconsin Community to find out the truth behind what happened to his son. Well he and and His team had submitted about fifteen hundred page document to the mayor's office to the powers that be within Wisconsin and the mayor there mayor enter into Romanian him saying that name right. Anti Roman A. N. T. A. R. A. M. A.. The end quickly dismissed the bell family. Fifteen hundred page complaint regarding the death of Michael Bell Junior so Michael Bell seniors continuing the fight the fight. Apparently the mayor there is not going along with the findings of the fifteen hundred. Page report. so I do plan to reach out to Michael Bell senior again to seal become back on the podcast. See what's is going to be going on from this point. The mayor has refused to has dismissed it. So what's the plant go to any higher ups Any further lawsuits. And just so we'll see what's going on with that so stay tune with that particular story I think in a very curious oriented. According to my mind. Is that the Austin. Police Department is going to be suspending some training because of one of the the cadets there as alleged some racism you know I get tired of these racism claims by police officers now cadets. I always believe what's going on in newspaper articles but this comes from the statesman dot com posted a December second twenty nineteen training halt amid racism pro would affect one police cadets class next year COUNCILMEMBER says So apparently apparently somebody on this In the police academy they're claiming that they're systematic racism going on the Austin Police Department and and because of this they're gonNA be suspending training and The going to be doing an investigation discipline the article anonymous complaints publicized in early November accused accused former assistant chief just newsom of using racist language to refer to President Barack Obama former COUNCILMEMBER or a Houston former assistant and chief. Frank Dixon into Boris. Climb to the highest ranks Awesome Police Department newsom abruptly retired shortly before the complaints were circulated when people retire. That's always some kind of sign that something's going on Sunday You know so you know this this whole thing that what what people are saying in the dark and when they're When they don't think that anyone's listening and they don't think they're being recorded is really come to light in? It's really disturbing and truly disgusting lasting that we had to continue to deal with this. You know if any of this is true. So obviously they're going to be doing it up probe down in Austin Texas to see what's going on here but We'll see continuing. What the article? Since those documents were made public city leaders had been wrestling with how best to investigate and addressed the alleged culture of racism. Isn't that allow newsom to rise the highest levels of the force So we gotta continue on with that and another similar story and other high ranking official in Florida was overheard on tape body cam footage telling her subordinates to pull over a black man and act to like a Neo Nazi white supremacist. And all that kind of crazy nonsense so I I. I listened to the tape as well. I think that you all should listen into the tape as well in the sense that I get from this officer from this captain in our reloaded from it before I get into but I do want to kind of paint the picture a little bit what. I think that the captain was saying is that I want you to treat this man in a fairly firm rough manner right in order to get him to comply now I lament her choice of words and saying that. Treat him as a racist cop at clear league with the climate that were that were living. We should not be okay with that and let me just say for the record. I'm not okay with that but I think that that was her purpose and her point now whether she really harbors racist animus towards any other people. I certainly don't know. Oh I don't know the lady but I don't know the police captain but I think that that was her purpose and point in saying that so just a little bit from this. The head of the Monroe Enro- county sheriff's Officer Office Major Crimes Unit was relieved of her command this week following the release of an audio recording. In which is heard ordering one of her officers to pull over a black man who is a suspect in a key west murder and act like a white supremacy neo Nazi cop to get information from him Monroe. Sheriff Rick Ramsey pulled Captain Penny Phelps. That's the woman who made made the statements from the late two twenty seventeen scene case in October when he became aware of the recording which is agency turn over to defense attorneys. He also initiated in internal affairs probe into helps conduct which she had in the investigation into the so-called treehouse. Murder which happened November. Seventeen twenty seventeen on stock island so this is an old case. This information was turned over to the defense attorney. And so this twenty nineteen now right. So it's it's two years later when we're hearing about the story so once again you know. What's the news? Media gets gets wind of this kind of stuff on obviously put it out in into the ether to stoke the flames of everything now clearly clearly. This woman should not have made that but I think once again like I said I think that the reason that she said it is because she wants to be to create this intimidating presence For this officer. She wanted the officer to create an intimidating presence so that the suspect in the case would be so intimidated and be willing to give up the information essentially really right. There's different techniques and tactics officers will use in order to elicit information from people and one of them that works many times is that intimidation factor her and so this is one of the factors which she was I think was trying to Get get to the point of. What's curious is that the sheriff knew about about this two years ago and didn't do anything about until twenty nineteen now that is curious and that does present a problem for the sheriff and him not doing what he should have done when he first became aware of this in twenty seventeen continuing with the article? Phelps was removed from her post as head of the major crimes and narcotics on Wednesday. According to paper work released used to the Miami Herald on Saturday Ramsey said it was too early investigation to come on whether helps could lose her job so this sheriff ariff sat in this information for two years then once it comes to light once a Miami Herald gets a hold of it and that's the article where Marine is from the Miami Herald Dot Com. Once they get a hold of it then everything blows up and now he's got to put this. He's got to relieve her of command and all that kind of stuff. If there's any supervisors out there. We're who are listening to managers heads of departments. You GotTa do what you gotTa do. You GotTa do it in. This is part of the problem. That really hampers the relationship between the community and the public public. They don't feel as if there's any trust if you come across on the happens to you. You got a handle that stuff immediately. There's no what are you waiting. Two years for before it becomes out until the OPIOID and if you took tell people about things when they happen we could deal with the public would have more faith in your institution in your organization if you were up front and honest about it. This is the problem that we had the lack of transparency sitting on something for two years until the newspaper gets a hold hold of it is a problem continuing with the same line of reasoning in Temple Texas. There was a man who is just shot by police. This comes comes from K.. C. E. N. T. V. dot com. And this is called. The `Artemis Articles Family seeks answers. After son killed an officer involved shooting right. This this is temple Texas. Says he's twenty eight years old early in the month of December. One of the biggest problems is that is with this is we. Don't even know what happened. I've heard news. Reports demand. went out about one. Thirty in the morning The Temple Police Department show up at his house and tell them me. Tell the family that the man is dead. The only thing that they understand is that he had an interaction with the police officer and that he that he is now deceased According to articles that I've have read the Tampa. Police Department is not releasing any information they are saying to contact the Texas Rangers who have taken over the investigation and the Texas Rangers are not releasing any information so this family according to K. C. E. N. T. dot com article as well as the VK W T X DOT COM article There's no information coming out right. There's an attorney there. Lee Merritt representing the family of this Michael Nickel Dean the deceased man and so the. The family doesn't know what happened was at a traffic stop was the man. Shoplifting was the main just walking down. The street was what what caused interaction between him. The police police have not informed. The family of what's going on in this again creates the problems between the police and the community no transparency. At least the officers should give press conferences. The what happened and many of these places many of these laws within offend people's jurisdictions the laws are the ones that are pro prohibiting police departments from releasing any information in so I I would say that if you live in a jurisdiction where it is forbidden by law that police departments shed light on the and the the ongoing investigation. Then you should be petitioning that the laws change at least some type of press conference to give a least the dates the Times. Sometimes the the name of an officer The circumstances behind it. What's going on In if obviously there's some certain sensitive information that cannot or should not be released because of the ongoing investigation right names of suspects and things like that then obviously That information should be kept secretive to to to a certain degree but whatever information can be released should be released and it should be released in a fairly timely manner. The state's attorney in Cook County. Kim Fox's begin the process of of expunging. The names people who have been have marijuana convictions. Don't Miss Fox has been catching a lot of flack for her stance on a number of things the way she handled the Jesse slowly or as or as a As they sell says Giusti's moulay smooth the way that she has handled that case Regard regardless I think that if the legalization of marijuana is a growing trend in an is being hotly debated in Illinois that I think that if it's going to be legalized and people making taking money from it with the growing hemp farms and CBD farms and and all this Kinda stuff then why should people have their lives trashed and destroyed and ruined because because they have these convictions for marijuana on their records. So I am in in that case in that manner told him in favor of the expunging of criminal records of people who have been convicted. The marijuana sold in marijuana crimes so I think that that's a very vital thing and I think that's a very good thing for Kim Fox in Maryland Moesby done in Baltimore or in any other states turning across the country who is deciding now that that arresting charging prosecuting people for small possessions of marijuana in or past marijuana convictions should have their records expunged in keep in mind. It's not just a herd. That's doing right. She's presenting this information to judges and the judges are also agreeing that these people should have their records expunged so in New Jersey. There was a shootout. We all may have heard about that when a couple couple of I believe there were African Americans Went into a Jewish community into a grocery store and start a blazing away in Jewish Communities Grocery store tragic tragic Should not have happened. Mentally disturbed people terrorist acts. Whatever it was should not be doing this condemn this all the way around? Before before they went to the grocery store they shot up a police officer a thirty nine year old detective from Jersey City Police Department Dot Joseph Seals. He he was killed. You know this is just a tragic tragic incident so the officers dead three civilians dead. That two two suspects are dead. Once again we gotta take a look at his gun debate. How they get these guns? Do they have anything in their background. That were they part of any black. Supremacist groups we're not just going to talk about the white supremacist groups and the negative away but also have to talk about black supremacist groups or any type of terrorist group so thoughts surly and concerns. Go out to this family of the detective and also to the family of a any family members of the Jewish grocery stores occupants keeping with the same line of thought you know we had the training at the military base. He mounted a deadly attack. Members of the Saudi Air Force killed three people at the Naval Air Base in Pensacola Florida. So you know this. This is crazy stuff. You know who knows what's going on. Obviously that's going to hurt the the relationships between the Saudi Air Force in the United States Air Force or nights states naval force the United States military. Obviously I'm sure there's already the vetting process for who can be accepted here But that's just going to continue to grow the concerns about the that people have or other people right. People have for other people for others. Brian put that in quotation marks others. Write these others ride the Saudis these black people these Jewish people these white people. You know these others we gotta get into our minds all one human family in until we get that reminds. You know we're GONNA continue to look at people through the xenophobic land. We're GONNA continue to her people. Shoot people lie to people to see people and think that other people are the cause of your problems. If you've living in the black community you think Jewish people all of the reason that you're living in in depressed conditions than you're wrong then you're wrong right. Look at we have to look at ourselves and say what is that we can do about ourselves in order to make ourselves better few come over to this country from another country. And you are looking at whatever's going on and you want to take your anger your frustration. Asian out on the Americans and shooting up their military bases. What good do you think that's going to? What is the end result of that right? Terroristic acts don't work terroristic Acts don't work. I wish that people would get that through their heads. One of the last things I want to talk about is I read. two-star heard about two stories in this December twenty nineteen about people who were hacking into security cameras. Baby monitors things like that. So if you have one of he's I I would suggest that you really if you have some kind of baby monitoring system or even a Wi fi digital nanny cam or anything like that that where people can see your child to see into your home or listen to your child to listen to your home. I really highly suggested you take any in all precautions that you look this information to due to make sure that your home is secure. Do some research on the Internet and figure out what you can do to keep your family safe so NBC News Public. Something talking about this phenomenon actually was back in November But I heard another story in December talking about this phenomenon in which people were hacking into nanny any cans baby camps baby monitors whatever you WanNa call them and speaking to the child looking at the child and all that kind of crazy stuff so do what you gotTa do to make. Sure that your home secured make she she contact your ISP. Your Internet service provider. See if they got some extra firewalls whatever they have to make sure that you and your family are safe. Not only this holiday season going into twenty twenty in the last story that I wanNA give you guys comes in the world from what the what just law enforcement sometimes we do the craziest and silliest things so check this story out this comes from the Washington Post and the says a deputy Wti burglarized grieving families homes during funerals officials. Say Then Khokar workers recognized her. So essentially. This woman Janelle Greco correct. I believe I spelling her name saying her name. Right G. E. R. I C. K. E. Twenty nine years old was charged with felony burglary. She was a A corrections officer in Wisconsin. So she would what she would do as she would go over the obituaries. Learn when funerals were taking place place and then burglarize homes when the families were at the burglary When the families were at their funeral so I gotta regional bit of this? What was going China once again from the Washington Post a criminal complaint from the Washington Department of Justice Lists Seven instances between February twenty eighteen and June twenty nineteen where the former deputy successfully broke into a strangers home or was spotted lurking outside houses that she had reason to believe would be empty if for calculations turned out to be wrong state? Investigators say directly would quickly make up a story when one family returned home from a funeral and found her standing in their kitchen she. She claimed that she had been hired to clean the house on multiple occasions. She explained that she was trying to pick up furniture or baby goods. She arranged to buy facebook marketplace and then she said she must have written down the wrong address and so does she lives in a town where there is about eight thousand people so again back to the article on Halloween last year. Prosecutors say a couple of getting ready to go trick or treating notice. They woman standing on their patio appearing into their house through the door when the wife life approached she realized that the stranger was actually directed correctly. Who worked for with her father at the Jefferson County sheriff's office and also belong to his bowling bowling team? I didn't know this was your house. Greg allegedly told woman she explained. She was trying to buy a shelf that she had seen facebook marketplace giving being a name and address that the couple did not recognize then in January authority. Say He's one of direct. Co workers spotted her while patrol Jefferson Jefferson County Sheriff's department. David Doron had been driving. Pass a home. Beloved local firefighter who was fatally hit by a car while trying to rescue a stranded motorists Annette and was surprised to see someone standing on the front porch of his memorial home taking place when he stopped he realized that it was directly. who was pregnant at the time? She claimed claim that she was trying to buy us baby gear of facebook marketplace and had no idea. She was actually in the deceased firefighters house. So this is what this woman. When this this law enforcement official a former law enforcement official would do? She would burglarize people's homes when they were away are going trick or treating or just just craziness I mean I. I would assume that in her line of where she had access to overtime or whatever so who knows what was going on ladies mind but Just an absolutely absolutely absolutely crazy story. So That's it ladies and gentlemen that's it for the month. I really hope that As we close out twenty nineteen that you guys would really consider. We talked about before making sure that twenty twenty is going to be better than twenty nineteen. Whatever your goals are as far as you know your diet? Your exercise is your health. Your family relationships that you really take the steps towards the right direction to make sure that those things are going the way that they should be going give people their flowers while they can smell them make your life make it the best it can be invested. It should be said goals and dreams that a realistic right. Sometimes things that are just unrealistic in a one of the best pieces of advice that I heard and I think that this can can really go towards a number of different things. Is that if you change something small about your life life you know. People make these drastic changes in the reason that they do not work as because they're too drastic too big and they cannot be sustained so what people people should do as they should change something small about their life. If every morning you go to your local donut shop right and you get a coffee with a donut. Well if you replace that donut with an apple then you made a you made a really big significant change in calories and all that kind of stuff and so for launch If you've always eating chips for your salad or with the you know if you're always ate a burger chain to to a salad or banana right small incremental changes which can be sold lasting and I think that not only am I talking about Diet but just getting up going for a walk calling someone that you haven't called in a while loving someone one just taking the small steps right so think about what whatever big thing you WanNa do and take the small step to get there right if you WANNA lose ten pounds a month. which is doable? It had to start small and so it starts right would ex- a little bit of Diet little bit exercise. You wanted to go for an hour walk but just fourteen take a walk right park a little bit farther away from the convenience store or from the grocery store and walked through the parking lot that that gives. Did you a little more exercise so start off small and then worked towards those bigger things. And so. That's what I want us all to focus on for twenty twenty. Thank you so much for tuning coming in and I hope that you are learning something that we are taking this ride along together in. Remember for a homework assignment is just to make sure that we are. You're giving those roses those flowers to people while they can smell the mixed. Make time for this next year to build those relationships to restore those relationships nations ships into appreciate people And if you had to cut people off the nuts fine too but I'm asking you not to harbour any ill will towards people because that can be talks just as toxic. DOC suggest as well Make sure that we celebrate life so celebrate life in twenty twenty in this holiday season as we bring in New Year celebrate life. And that's it ladies and gentlemen. Please make sure that you rate subscribe and share. We still have a lot of great episodes coming up a lot of great interviews and we're going to continue to build this relationship between the police and the public no matter how hard people try to go opposite direction. We're going to pull them in the right direction right so in the meantime here's a second homework assignment. Check on to see wherever you live at. What are the laws US related to the police department releasing information? If you live in a place where it's actually illegal state law right. These are legislatures. Were passing these laws trying to make sure that trying to make sure for whatever reason that Officers or police departments do not release information. Then see what you can do to go about changing laws find out. Is that the law. Find out why. That's law maybe. There's a good reason for it. I would highly doubt because I think that transparency is the key. But if that's the way then see see what you can do. In order to write your elected officials to see how we go about changing that law so we can get transparency. We that's what we want is transparency. Yeah so that's at latest gentlemen. Romy homework assignments give those people those flowers while they can smell them. Check out to see what you can do in order to change the laws concerning concerning the releasing of information by police departments in your local municipality in in your State that's ladies and gentlemen much love and peace.

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Dec 19, 2019

Sword and Scale Daily

16:31 min | 8 months ago

Dec 19, 2019

"Hello and welcome to sort and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Thursday December nineteenth and and this is your daily true crime report coming up on sort and scale daily a shooting at a grand rapids casino. Left three dead and the suspect that was later killed in a shootout with police in Connecticut. The search for a missing one year. Old Vanessa Morales continues. Vanessa's mother Christine. Christine Holloway was found dead in her home on December. Second and the child was nowhere to be found on Tuesday. Please officially named Vanessa's father. Jose Jose Morales as a suspect in Christine's murder. Finally Former Austin police officer Entree Clark has pleaded guilty to the a two thousand fifteen murder of his girlfriend Samantha. Dean Dean was seven months. Pregnant with Clark's child when she was shocked at all this and more. It's coming up on sword and scale daily taste In the early hours of Tuesday morning three men were found dead at the Emerald Casino in grand rapids Montana but chain bar and restaurant which features gambling machines K.. Okay RTD news three reports. That around two am police responded to a nine one one call requesting emergency medical assistance for a man who was bleeding from the face. When police arrived at the scene they found three deceased gunshot victims inside the building? A fourth victim later arrived at a nearby my hospital although it is not yet known how or win a spokesperson for the hospital shared only this victim was still recovering from a gunshot wound in intensive care this victim is said to be in stable condition. The suspect fled the scene. Before law enforcement arrived. The grand rapids police department began a large scale search for the suspect in the area of the Emerald Casino at around five forty five am officers. There's discovered the suspect hiding not far from the casino the suspect and officers then engaged in a firefight where the suspect was killed Joshua Copeland copland. A resident of the neighborhood told news three that the suspect attempted to gain entry into his home early Tuesday morning leading him to call nine one one to advice vice police of the suspects location. Joshua Copland said quote. It was extremely loud and violent. It wasn't a plight. Knock like somebody was here to visit and so I got up to see what was going on and I could hear police sirens throughout the neighborhood going off so I told my wife to call nine one one that whoever they were looking king for was trying to get into our home the authorities have not yet disclosed the names of the victims or the suspect and are waiting until families have been notified so the grand rapids police department will be running the investigation assisted by the US. Marshall Service. No motive for the shooting has been reported and law enforcement expect the investigation to be long and complex. Our next story brings us to Connecticut. Police in Connecticut Kit continue searching for one year old. Vanessa Morales who went missing two weeks ago when her mother. Christina Holloway was found murdered on Wednesday and Sonia Police Department have officially identified. Vanessa's father. Jose Morales as a suspect in the murder according to W. T. N. H.. Is News Eight. The body of forty three year. Old Christine Holloway was discovered in her Sonia. Home on the night of December. Second Holloway's family last saw her her and Vanessa on November twenty ninth and became concerned when they could not reach Christine on Monday December. Second around one PM after after Christine did not show up for work or call in sick and Sonia Police Department officers went to conduct a wellness. Check at her house because they failed all to establish contact with Christine. They left and returned around eight PM when they again could not get a reply. Officers forced their way in and found Christine. Deceased her daughter Vanessa. Who was supposed to be with her? Was reported missing a silver alert for Vanessa. Morales was issued on Tuesday December third and was upgraded to an amber alert on Wednesday on Tuesday December third and Sonia Police Department women carried out a search at the home of Jose Morales during the search of the home officers discovered to stun-guns Morales as a convicted did felon is prohibited from having them and was taken into custody on weapons possession charge on December fifth. Police disclosed the Hallways Cause House of death was blunt force trauma to the head. Initially it was said that they had no suspects in the case however on Wednesday local police stated that forty three year old. Jose Morales is now considered a suspect in the homicide. Lieutenant Patrick Lynch of the an Sonia. Nya Police Department told news eight that while they believe Morales is the right man they have not ceased exploring other leads quote. We're fairly really confident. But we're not focusing solely on him. Were still following other leads and doing other followups. We've focused exclusively on him right right now. He's the best person of interest at this time Christine Holloway. The oldest of five children was the first person in her family. Wait to Graduate College. She obtained a degree in psychology which she used as a tender age educator she was also a devout Catholic and belong Columbia. That's an international Catholic women's organization. Sonia Police Department is being assisted by the FBI in the investigation and Christine Hallways death and the search for Vanessa Morales in a public statement. Local police stated quote this is not about punishing someone who may have her. This is about getting her and making sure she is safe. Investigators believe that Vanessa is likely still in Connecticut. She has brown eyes eyes and Brown hair. Anyone who saw Joe Morales on November thirtieth December first or December second or asked to contact the FBI tip line at two. Oh Oh three. Five zero three five five five five or the end. Sonia Police Department at two zero three seven three five one eight eight eight five after the break. A former Austin police officer has pleaded guilty to the two thousand fifteen murder of his pregnant girlfriend friend who refused to have an abortion. Hey Hey I just wanted to ask. How many of you have credit cards? I'm sure that most of you have at least one. If so you know there's no better feeling than paying them off but you know it feels even better paying off those high interest credit cards getting a lower rate and saving money. That's what you can do with light stream dream. Did you know that the average interest rate for a credit card is over twenty percent. 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In addition the terms of his plea agreement his giving up his right for an appeal and sign a detailed confession document which the prosecutors read aloud. In court the Victim Samantha. Dean was a crime victims. Counselor with the Cow Police Department at the time of murder. Dean was seven months. Pregnant with Clark's exchanged a daughter. She had named Madeleine. The prosecution alleged that Clark Hire Hitmen Murder Dean in exchange for five thousand dollars because he already had a family with another woman and Dean wanted him to pay child support. For the Baby Samantha. Dean's body was discovered on February third. Third Behind a vacant shopping mall in bastrop. She had been shot three times in the head. Investigators believe the clerk asked a friend. Kevin Heaven Watson to kill Dean for five thousand dollars and then Watson recruited third man Freddie Smith who actually pulled the trigger warrants in the case obtained by ABC. Austin reveal that during interviews with police in two thousand fifteen one of the alleged co-conspirators told investigators that Clark Clark asked him to kill Dean because he did not want to pay child support he said Freddie Smith the Triggerman has gun jammed during the shooting and that Clark was present for the murder. The co-conspirator also said that after the murder Clark drove Dean's body to the location where it was later found and staged aged the scene to look like a drug by gone wrong in July of two thousand fifteen. The Austin Police Department put Clark on restricted duty. As part of their internal affairs investigation into Samantha. Deans Murder Clark and not been cooperating with police departments investigation and after after being put on restricted duty. He left the country and flew to Bali Indonesia. When the Austin Police Department discovered this they fired Clark? One month later Indonesian authorities arrested Clark on a visa violation and in September of two thousand fifteen he was extradited back to the US. He's been in. Custody ever since Clark's lawyer said the trip to Indonesia was for health reasons in November of two thousand. Fifteen one of Clark's alleged co conspirators. Kevin Watson was indicted for capital murder in the case. Initially in two thousand sixteen and Watson pled not guilty but in September of this year he changed his pleaded guilty in exchange for the charges being reduced to murder. Kevin Watson has not yet been sentenced. The third alleged accomplice Freddie Smith was indicted this September and his trial date has not yet been. It said the question remains how Clark's guilty plea will affect Watson sentencing and Smith Stri while Charlie Baird a retired Travis County judge told. CBS Austin quote accepting a life. Sentence without the possibility of parole is a very very harsh punishment by the wave a plea bargaining. Which tells me that the State's case against Mr Clark was very very strong however judge Baird noted quote it? It seems to me that the Smith case is probably the weakest of all three and I say that because it took such a long time for that case to actually develop to the extent that they can develop probable cause and secure Mr Smith's arrest so it seems to me just from looking at it from the outside. His punishment could be much more lenient. uniont than the punishment offered to Mr Clark before we leave you. We have an update in the investigation into the fatal stabbing of eighteen year. Old Tessa Majors in New York City on Tuesday the thirteen year old suspect in the crime appeared in court for a hearing to determine whether there is sufficient Evidence to proceed with the charges against him namely Felony Robbery and felony murder and interviews with the NYPD. The suspect admitted he was was present during the crime however he said he did not participate although he had come to Morningside Park with the intent of committing robbery. At Tuesday's hearing it was revealed that the attack was actually captured in footage from a surveillance camera. The video itself is too grainy to show details of the assault assault but it shows two suspects choking majors removing things from our pockets and then stabbing motions. It also shows that the thirteen year old suspect aspect was about ten feet away from the victim and her assailants at the time of the attack. The suspects defense counselor argued this means he was a witness to the attack rather than a participant and maintained that the only thing tying her client to the crime was his own admissions however a knife with a plastic red handle handle which is believed to be. The murder weapon was found in the suspect's possession. When he was arrested he told investigators he picked it up from the floor and handed it to US French ranch shortly before the robbery? The judge ruled that there is sufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution and ordered that the suspect be kept in custody until the new year. His next court appearance is scheduled for January second. Investigators are still searching for the fourteen year old suspect in the case. Ace who escaped from a car while being driven to a voluntary interview with police. That's it for today. We'll see tomorrow. Oh and until then stay safe Sort and scaled daily is an incongruity media productions. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Gar Iraq executive producer. The Mike Buddha. If you like the show subscribe and leave us a review. If you'd like to write us with feedback or suggestions use the email address daily at sword and scale L. DOT COM

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CRUSADE Channel Newscast December 16th, 2019, Monday

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CRUSADE Channel Newscast December 16th, 2019, Monday

"The Crusade Channel News News. You can trust because the truth can be trusted from the Crusade Channel News disc peers. Stacey Cohan Good Morning Crusaders welcomed Monday December sixteenth two thousand nineteen eighteen. I'm Stacey cohan reporting from the Crusade Channel News Desk at the Cohen Ranch in Winkelmann Arizona. This report is brought to you by the founders trading post featuring our our very own gourmet coffee Cappuccino dark roast in whole bean and fresh ground. Start Your morning like a crusader with a fresh brewed cup of Cappuccino. Dark roast coffee available. Mike Church Dot com forward slash shop. Here's what listen for this hour. It's starting to get ugly uglier. I guess a Democrat walking to the other other side of the Grass Nunez tells schiff he needs to go to Rehab and Chelsea Handler's nugget passed away five aids to Representative Jeff. A Fan drew. A Democrat from New Jersey resigned after the congressmen met with President Trump. Saturday discussing that. He is deciding to switch political parties. Sadly Congressman Congressman Van. Drew's decision to join. The ranks of the Republican Party led by Donald Trump does not align with the values. We brought to this job when we joined his office. The AIDS throat on a Sunday letter addressed Andrus chief of Staff Alison Murphy. It went on over the past year. Trump Republicans have cited with special interests over the needs needs of working people worse. They continue to aid in a bet trump as he shreds the constitution and tears the country apart they refused to grapple with how the president of the United. 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Tripwire

Bomber

23:44 min | 1 year ago

Tripwire

"Bomber describes the real life manhunt for serial bomber the events are sometimes graphic and intended for mature audience. Listener discretion is advised last time on bum going into that weekend had been a bombing. Since the Monday, why is what's what's going on? I was at a at a family dinner at a at a local restaurant and got the call. It was one of my system chiefs. And they just told me that we've now had performed go off and that we did have victims that were this week. Investigators are back to square one as the bomber unleashes. A new wave of terror across Austin. This is a jump and sophistication this is John in valid is raising his game is taken it to another level. I'm Jason Puckett in. This is bomber. Now. Calls Ma was. The bomb that exploded in Austin, Texas, the night of Sunday March eighteenth twenty eighteen wasn't like the three before it wasn't wrapped in a box and placed on someone's front steps in the early morning hours didn't explode when the unsuspecting victim opened the box. This one was different cave. You in Austin American statesman reporter, Tony Platt skeet was living inside the Austin bombing story following leads talking to sources the morning of the fourth bombing. Tony was just starting his day off at home. But something was nagging at him. This is going to sound maybe a little strange to help people. But that Sunday morning. I just had a strange sense that something could happen that day with the day passed and Tony didn't get any calls. Maybe the nagging feeling was just that a feeling until Sunday night just after eight thirty and I can remember looking at my phone and seeing that my phone was going off and looking and realizing that someone was alert. In me that there had been a fourth bombing ATF special agent. Fred Millen house was back home in Houston. When he got the call literally set on the couch and put my arm around my wife and says, you know, nice to sit down and my phone start going off. And it was the way sack and San Antonio saying we have another device in Austin. Interim police chief Brian Manley was out for a family dinner is phone started ringing and back at his hotel ATS special agent in charge. Chris combs, also got a call. We knew that we had at least two injured is what my initial call was in thought of frustration of what are we going to do to get front of this? We can't continue to have bombs going off in Austin combs got dressed and headed straight to the seat. So did Brian Manley? And caves Tony heads who started the day with the weird feeling that something might happen jumped off the couch and had to work. And that's when it became clear that two men had been injured in a blast. And. Southwest. Austin? Reporter's got the address of the blast and headed straight to the scene. We quickly learned what had happened, and we learned the disturbing details. Two young men were walking near the road in a neighborhood in southwest Austin. They are in stable in good condition right now, but they did receive some significant injuries a trip wire caused a device to explode moving this from what investigators thought was a targeted attack to a more random one, this particular explosive device relied upon a trip wire. So it was a jump and lethality. It was a jump and randomness in it really was a jump in escalating the fear of the entire community and not just certain segments of the community who may be live in a particular sector of our city a trip wire strung between two neighborhood yard signs with something like a fishing line almost invisible to men in their twenties were walking their bikes along the sidewalk when they set it off. It was not a bomb left on someone's doorstep. Not even a hint of a targeted attack. Chris combs. They could have very easily been two eight year old children walking down the sidewalk last night, and hit this device, and that's very very concerned the peer to be this booby-trap device. And so there was some concerns rightfully so about processing the scene that night in the dark on so Texas DPS offered up a significant number of troopers. And so we were able to use the troopers there to lock that scene down and not process a scene that night. So that we can do it at first light with the crime scene. Secured in residents told to stay in their homes and shelter in place. Investigators waited for the sun to come up on the crime scene. They had time to consider where things stood Ryan Manley. What bomb number four did? Is it it changed? The some of the working theories that we were looking at. In that being a bomb with a trip wire just randomly placed on a sidewalk in and neighborhood it demonstrated a at least for that bomb. There was not an an intended victim that one was randomly placed and anyone that happened upon. It would have been the victim. So that was interesting, and it was also placed in west Austin. And so we still didn't again rule out terrorism. We did not rule out eight because we were left without any other motives, but that one showed the propensity for ultimately who turned out to be the bomber to attack just random victims. This is pretty random. Now. You know, he's not picking his targets for any particular reason, this is on the way other side of town. He puts it in a trail head God forbid, if a five or six year old would've tripped over that trip wire, and we win head another fatality. So while the first three bombs exploded in east Austin in predominantly minority neighborhoods. The fourth bomb was on the west side of town in a largely white community, unless they were dealing with a copycat the notion, the bomber was targeting minorities seemed to be out the window, especially in charge. Chris comes. So I know originally there was a lot of questions and concern. Why wasn't this designated a hate crime? Because the first two victims were African American. There's no question we looked at that deeply we had our civil rights team up there looking at it. But we didn't see that. There was connections. As the sun rose in Austin, Monday morning, March nineteenth we watched from a distance as investigators started picking through the evidence. It was a familiar scene by now another slow painstaking slog through shrapnel and tiny fragments and we made some decisions about how we were going to address the scene in this day, again, eight tips national response team was tasked with prospects that scene net. Evidence was going to go back up to Washington to the ATF National Laboratory with all the rest of the evidence. 'cause you know, you you want the evidence go to all one place. So that lab technicians are seeing the same thing that we're seeing in the field that this is our same bomber Monday morning. We did a press conference from the scene, and we talked about this is a jump in sophistication this is a jump in lethal. Thallady and that concerned us greatly. So that was a whole nother issue is he's raising his game. He's taken it to another level, which again just made it even more important that we get in front of this and figure this out quickly. We just don't know enough, and what we have seen now as a significant change from what appeared to be three very targeted attacks to what was last night an attack that would have passed would've hit a random victim that happened to walk by. So we've definitely seen a change the bomb exploded near a trail head in the neighborhood known as Travis country. The street was dawn song road that Monday morning. Residents were still being told to stay inside Travis country is the only neighborhood that is in affected and Travis countries. The neighborhood that we want to have people stay sheltered in place in the residences until two pm this afternoon, or until we advise further reporters and news teams from around the country were heading to Austin that Monday morning, if they weren't already on the ground to some it seemed like police were paying more. Attention to the case now that it was on the west side of town. But that wasn't the case according to Fred and ask you by Monday morning, a massive response by the media. So I'm sure from the community it looked like all of a sudden there was more attention on that. But that was really just coincidence that it happened at all the same time with the after press conference that we had and after south by south west got over in the media were still lingering around town, and then this device goes off. And so that is when the media really took off and really started paying attention in the national media really started paying attention ABC news lead investigative reporter, Josh Margolin had been following the case from New York, but after the fourth explosion, he quickly boarded a flight to Austin. Josh it covered a string of large scale attacks in recent years. But Austin was different. I spent a lot of time talking to analysts and investigators over the course of my career, and I have learned a lot about crime and law enforcement investigations. And it's not any better. When you understand why something has happened. But it somehow feels understandable, humans wanna know, the why so in in San Bernardino, we were able to know that there was a radical ideology and radicalization that had overtaken these people in that explained why they had committed this mass murder. We knew that in Boston. There was a why associated with it in Las Vegas and in Austin? The randomness to me is terrifying. Residents in the Travis country area were allowed back on the street. But no one felt safe gave you reporter j Wallace. There was a a band of keeping people outside their homes. We'll police they were telling people to stay inside their homes until ten AM this morning for their safety as they wanted to wait till the sun could come up. They could start investigating more thoroughly with the sunlight, and as we started to talk people just in the past hour. There's genuine shock and just the people that are scared about this area that it happened in this neighborhood. We even spoke to one man who was walking with his wife just forty five minutes before that explosion reportedly happened. We were all ROY about quarter to eight it's one of those things. Well, that stuff just having bills where because very quiet families regard people professional people, you know, but it's pretty quiet, and I wrote so scary. It could have been a little kit. It could have been somebody walking their dog. I mean that that little spot of St. is heavily trafficked all the time. My husband's, you know, saying don't take your dog on a walk. Don't take your baby on a walk. Don't really leave the house until we know that it's safe before the. By that it might be in east Allston just centered perhaps a get some people. Now, it's almost like a random occurrence, not tell the FBI ATF guy need to find somebody. Of course, I know this. But this is just too strange. It's not a good way to live makes you very nervous. Something so scary come to my front door. Kind of is. I opening the president of downtown Austin's old neighborhood association could feel the anxiety all of these bombings generate level of insecurity in our neighborhood. And I would six specked all over Austin. Unfortunately, we have to be as citizens and residents just very careful the warnings from police about opening packages continued. But now the list of items to look out for was growing on the lookout anything suspicious like at a place backpack suitcases and fish wires. And if they see. Something to call nine one one immediately. And remember if you come across any package any backpack anything that look suspicious, call nine one one spring break had just ended for a lot of people that Monday morning schools in Austin were also on alert today was the first day back at school for a ISD students like the kids here at pillow elementary school since spring break was last week. And after yesterday's fourth explosion district administrators say they know there is tension, and they wanna come fear. So they sent home an Email this afternoon. Letting parents know, exactly what faculty and staff are doing. They are looking for anything out of the ordinary conducting perimeter checks inside and outside of buildings looking for anything suspicious there also carefully going through the mail. The thought of sending your child off to school after a trip wire set off an explosion in a nearby neighborhood. Must have been unthinkable to some parents Brian Manley in Austin mayor Steve Adler appeared on ABC's. Good Morning, America. And I know you think this. I know you think the suspect is highly skilled because they've been able to move these packages these bombs without setting them off what do the kind of bombs tell you about the suspect you're dealing with. And do you know anything about who might be behind this at this point? We don't have any specifics leading us to one suspect. And that's why we're pushing the message out that we need every tip every piece of information. However, inconsequential, you may think it is that may be the one piece of evidence that we need if this explosion last night was the result of a bomb that was utilizing trip wire technology that is showing different level of skill above what we were already concerned that the suspect or suspects made possess back in Austin, mayor Adler joins us in the cave you studios, mister may let's start with this what our city leaders doing to make sure people in Austin or say trying to get word out as best we can. So the folks know what's going on? We're talent people at this point, not only don't touch any packages that might be delivered. But really just don't go and touch anything that looks suspicious or out of place. The fact that the new device was a trip wire in the MO had changed was exactly why Austin police hadn't shared details about the first three bombs. This device in Travis county being placed out in open space and Travis country out in open space with a trip wire that opened it up to anyone who happened to come by and activate that trip. Wire would have been the victim. We were intentionally nondescript give when we would put out descriptions of these devices, and it was for this very reason that we knew all along the devices could change, and that's why we didn't describe the box in the package that those first three devices were contained within because we didn't want to give a false sense of security that that was the only thing as a community we needed to be worried about we've now seen that evolution two different types of devices. Austin wasn't the only town in Texas on edge eighty miles away. San Antonio the police chief put out a warning for residents there listen night as you all. City of Austin. This explosion occurred at a trail head in it rather flew part in the city. I won't go into details about how exactly it was set up. The trip wire occurred at me trail anybody using trail, and it's news to be cautious. Hey, if you're in a stories like bomber if you like hearing the story behind the headline check out start here. It's a daily news podcast from ABC news breaking down a handful of the biggest storylines of your day Owen. Twenty minutes from events unfolding in real time tire town is demolished to our biggest investigations low. Robert muller. Michael Cohen calling. I'm Brad Mielke from ABC news. And my mission is simple to get you. Smart fast. So start here. Subscribe on apple podcasts over ever, you're listening. Now, we are clearly dealing with what we expect to be a serial bomber at this point based on the similarities between now what is the fourth device. Latest explosion taking a different approach with his trip. Wire. This changes things it's more sophisticated. It's not targeted to individuals more special agents canvassing the city looking for clues and asking for your health this makes four explosions in sixteen days. But this time in the southwest part of the city is we continued to report on the bombings. Police in private and behind closed doors were dealing with a major blow to the investigation in so Monday morning, it's seven and we start pressing the scene we were literally back to square one. You might remember police had their eye on a few persons of interest. They'd been trailing two men twenty four seven. So when that fourth bomb exploded and they were nowhere near the blast. Police knew they were following the wrong men. It became apparent that when bomb number four to place that these were not the individuals responsible because we could account for where they were at that time. We were pretty convinced on Monday that everybody we had as a suspect had nothing to do with with Sunday night. The realization that their persons of interest were no longer possible suspects was a blow to everyone investigating. Absolutely whenever you come across that piece of information or that person of interest. You're absolutely hopeful. Because you want to put a stop to the violence. That's being carried out on your city. And you know that the team is working as hard as they can in fast as they can. And to see that, you know evaporate when we had bomb number four go off, and we could account for the whereabouts of those persons of interest. There is a moment of defeat to that moment of defeat. Didn't last long. We were always a hundred percent dedicated this case. But now it's Paul stops. Would we need? We brought in at that point that morning we brought in a second Nash response team who brought in ten x dogs. You know, get rumor Austin police department is responding to all kinds of suspicious package calls, and so they need canine to help them out and help clear those packages. So it's it's anything we needed. We had access to that point. We ended up bringing in over six hundred F B I personnel to focus just on this to try to get us ahead in again. The motto at the command post was we cannot let this turn into another. Eric Rudolph we've got to get in front of this or a unit bomber we want this to be solve very quickly. But special agent in charge. Chris combs was fully aware. The bomber had already been successful in four bombings. And they still didn't have much to go on a hate to commendable bomber. But he he was very good at what he was doing. Which is why our job was so hard. Frankly, there weren't a lot of clues we were spending huge amounts of resources trying to figure out anything that can help us break the case. And even though they could rule out the men they'd been following non stop it. Couldn't rule out a copycat crime the bomb was different pieces of it were different. It was the first time we had a trip wire versus a package that was delivered somebody's house. So you're you're going after the same train that you were before. But you also have to think, hey, could this is a different device. Could this be somebody who's copycats somebody who's jumping in on this? And really you have to start all over again. And again, investigators tried to use the media to make a connection with the bomber. I think it's important if the bomber could talk to us, and we could get a dialogue. We could understand. What's the grievance? What's brought the bomber to where we are today. And and why are we doing this? And it's very random in nature, but they weren't getting any response. No cryptic messages. Whoever was spreading terror throughout Austin didn't seem to have a message or an agenda or at least wasn't sharing it yet. We continued our work talking to sources to police sharing warnings. With the residents of Austin anything we could do to cover the case hundreds of F B I investigators as well as ATF agent state and federal bomb squads are on the ground in Austin tonight and governor Greg Abbott is announcing emergency funding to purchase x Ray systems for bomb detection, we saw FBI ATF agents going door to door in this Travis country neighborhood looking for clues trying to get surveillance video from people at home. I'm afraid to leave. Once again, we brought in our own local Austin security experts like Fred Burke, if in fact, it is the same bomber then an essence what you have here is a very crafty individual that has sequenced this with the mindset with an effort to throw the investigators off in this case with a trip wire that would be like a piece of wire or piece of string, or maybe a piece of fishing line that has been used that you would run into and pull the device it would set off the actual firing train. We also wondered if the placement of the bombs were random, or if there was some pattern to the explosions if you look at a map at the sequence of these events, it appears that the bomber if it's the same person as looping around the city, so you could almost project from surveillance perspective as to where he might likely strike again. And it is a he, and it is a person that's in our community. This person knows Austin mayor Steve Adler stop by the station to talk about what was going on. In Austin scary. These are pretty horrific events. Austin is a is a. Safe community so horrific events like this are are surreal. Surreal. That's a good word for it. I think I've used it before now. But it does describe how we felt how parents felt when they said goodbye to children heading to school. How husbands and wives felt when they left for work. It was all surreal. It was interesting because as law enforcement officers, we all have families to and many of us were spending countless hours at work trying to you know, handle what was happening. But yet we're having the same safety messages to our families to tell them. Hey, be on the lookout for this watch out for this. And you're not there to to be with your family in that moment. It had been another long frustrating day for everyone in Austin that night Fred mill announced the ATF's manage charge was back at his hotel outside of Austin. You know, get in the bed probably ten o'clock and shortly after midnight. My phone's going off again, it's my supervisor in San Antonio. We have another. Vice that just went off at the FedEx facility in stacks. I'm lifting my head off the pill thinking, oh my goodness. I gotta get a whole team who's worked just as hard all day long out to that next time on bombing. We want to give away trade secrets by what's important to know. Is that every lead legion two more leads? My concern was a we a hundred percent sure that was my first thought a hundred percent sure, this is our guy, you know, that this is an individual who is willing to kill innocent people who is willing to kill random people. But this is about as dangerous as it. Yes. Bomber is a production of all studios and Katie were available at apple podcasts. Spotify Google play and other major listening platforms. You can also listen and learn more at bomber podcast dot com. Our executive producer is well Johnson. My thanks to the people of Austin, my colleagues cave, you federal investigators and the men and women of the Austin police department. Join us next week for bomber part five.

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"Bomber describes the real life. Man hunt for a serial bomber the events are sometimes graphic and intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Last time on bomber me. I don't know what's going on. My neighbor something spoiled something with some sort of an explosion from a device on the home front porch. Police or now backpedaling what they want classified as a murder there. Now labeling suspicious soon as I heard it switch to suspicious death was like where it's like, you know, it felt like they were going to put less attention. How many more did this person or persons plant overnight? How many more unsuspecting people may go out front and handle a package and suffer the kind of injuries or loss of life that we've already seen ten days after a bomb exploded on the front steps of a suburban east. Austin home killed thirty nine year old father, another bomb exploded, another fatality. How? Panthers. In Florida combined grandson is not this week operation Austin bomb kicks into high gear as hundreds of investigators descend upon Austin, Texas, desperate to stop a serial bomber before the next explosive amd, you know, if you needed mentioning Byron in the house in the explosion. I'm Jason Puckett in. This is bomber. Now. Calls ma. Second blast went off on the morning of March twelfth twenty eighteen caves j Wallace was once again on the scene now like the first time it happened before seven AM the home where the explosion took place was on another suburban east Austin street, just over five miles from downtown and about a twelve mile drive from where the first explosion took place with no word from police yet while this was careful not to say the bomb was connected to the one ten days earlier. These are not directly connected. I have no way of knowing that but worth mentioning this explosion did happen. Earlier this month to have to so closely connected time-wise is just worth mentioning at this point. But despite what J was saying on air. He felt sure there was a connection between this explosion and the first deadly bomb once that second explosion happens. No matter what chief Manley says, you still know something's up. There's just that gut feeling. All right. We might have something bigger on her hands. We started to learn. Learn about the victims of the blast police say a seventeen year old and a woman brought in a package from their front porch that package exploded when the seventeen year old opened it inside their home. Now he died from his injuries. The woman is expected to be okay. She is had the hospital gave us Tony behead. Ski heard about the second explosion from his contacts within the police department. And at that point, they really didn't know much more other than they had a seventeen year old victim who was dead and a woman who was very seriously injured and was taken to the hospital, but it did become clear to them very early on that yet again, they had the victim of a package explosion. And with the same type MO package left and the overnight hours and found by a resident early in the morning when he opened his front door as with the first bombing. Interim police chief Brian Manley was at the scene of the explosion right away. We set up a command post. The scene, and I think obviously everyone at that point had recognized that this was a serial attack and we worked together to identify again. Areas of responsibility. We made the decision that since ATF had taken all of the evidence from the first seen it just made sense that ATF would be responsible for collecting all bomb evidence at the scene number two seen Manley. Talking to some other officers for good good took time before he came over and talked to us. And what that tells me is he was really making sure he got the story right in that. He was going to choose his words carefully. And I don't wanna soom. But I mean, what that tells me is he realizes this is a serious situation. And I need to talk to the media. And he makes sure what people here, right? What they tell us. And then we're going to tell the people he wants to make sure it's accurate it, correct? In that he's not since is in anything. And that he's telling us exactly what we need to know. We are looking at these incidents as. Being related based on similarities that we have seen in the initial evidence that we have on hand here today compared to what we found on the scene of that explosion that took place a week back gave us Jenny Lee was also on seeing that day, perhaps what is even more alarming about this incident is that police are now tying this case with another deadly package explosion that happened on March second in an instant the city of Austin, Texas realized they might have a serial bomber on the loose. Explosion that killed Stephan house ten days earlier was no longer just an isolated incident. The FBI special agent in charge of the case was Chris combs. He'd been looped in early on the investigation soon after the first explosion. But the second blast took things up another notch. I think when the second bomb happened you jump to conclusions. Hey, this could be a serial bomber. We sort of discussing that. We're getting updates from the. Seen from Austin police department partners from the FBI that was on scene. We already talking here about what assets that we can start moving into Austin. And for the first time that month and probably in Austin's history. Police sent out a warning to all residents. The messages were alarmed putting out a warning this morning. Do not open any packages. If you not if you're not expecting them. This is after the second deadly package explosion here in east Austin. The police were having press conferences right away announcing to the community. What was happening, and it really was at that point that they began a very aggressive public awareness campaign to try to tell people not to open suspicious packages left at their doors. We've done a press conference again to advise the community what had happened, and we talked very significantly about suspicious packages handling packages really trying to put that message out about the safety. And really the need for people to look out for each other. You might remember after the first bomb police floated the idea that perhaps the victim had set the bomb off himself accidentally that theory was officially no longer in play. Now change the death of Anthony house victim from that. I at the explosion from suspicious death now to homicide. He is they have reclassified that death inevitably. We started to learn more about the second victim this time a much younger life cut short by senseless activites teenager. He was killed immediately. When he opened the deadly cardboard box left on the front steps. His mother was nearby. She was injured, but was going to survive. The blast Draymond Mason was seventeen years old. He was very well known and the Austin music community. He was a classical musician who was very beloved and very very talented. And by all accounts was bound for Troy. Mendes things and the music profession. You have this one in terms of just impacting people. This one is is is what seemed to really have an impact on a lot of people in Austin in the weeks to come. We learn a lot about what a special kid. Jerry, Lynn, Mason was Adriana dominate is a teacher at east Austin college. That's and study he was just a really talented kid who had so much going for him. And he's gone. And I don't I don't know how many walk into my English classing or without seeing him looking at me. And asking me what's going on in her book. His death is is one moment. And that's not that doesn't define them in. That's not who he was who he was was a kid who helped everybody else and smiled and spoke out whenever he could and was interested in social Justice. And and talked about things that were unfair in the world and wanted to change things also teaches at east Austin college prep. She remember. Talking about joylin performing on stage. He was a magnificent courageous talented young men, but every day that I saw him in the hallways. He would say hi, miss Cozma. I know what say hi love has it going. And he would say finest that, you know, it's. And he says, yes, ma'am, I said are you ready? He said, yes, ma'am, you're going to be there. And I would tell him. I'll never miss it for the war. I want to see you a that stage Williams considered drill and family. He had been drilling martial arts teacher for more than a decade right now, you tell I'm still full with emotions he was one of the kids that I could call my own, you know, his life was cut short. So. Really destroyed and what I talk about. It's kind of hard for me to fest or what happened to. With two bombs now two people killed in another injured. Police went to work looking for any links between the victim's house and the second victim from this one are both African Americans. Austin police say that this these two incidents may be a hate crime. One of the things that became very clear with both package bombings, both one and two is that they were both east of interstate thirty five which is an area that has a lot of minority communities in both cases, the victims were African American men and a city that has a relatively small African American population. That was noteworthy as well. There was another link between the victims a family connection. One of the things that police learned very early after drill. Mason was killed is that Anthony houses spotter in law is. Reverend Freddie Dixon and the Reverend Freddie Dixon who was the former pastor at a well known predominantly African American church here in Austin was good friends is good friends with trailer Mason's grandfather. As with authorities started wondering, if there was some sort of connection that led back even to the church, and they actually went to the church and started questioning members of that church to figure out if there was anyone who may have had any animosity against either family or both families to a lot of people to investigators. Even it seemed unlikely that the family connection couldn't be a factor in these killings. I mean, how could two bums left on to doorsteps miles away from each other be random when there was a connection like this. Without again, having any specific motive to go on or any real suspects. At this point. We were looking for any connection, and I think that that's the sign of well seasoned investigators. And and that was. Team that we had here. They didn't exclude any possibility. One of the people brought in early on to investigate the bombings was Austin police homicide detective relondo Ramirez as soon as the first bomb was reported. He was called to the scene and now with another deadly blast. He was once again the lead homicide investigator. When I heard that the first thing, I did I asked everybody has anybody worked a case like this. Whether it's in the device houst- and out of everybody in the office. No one had ever worked a case where device was used. They did work other explosions, but that was because of natural gas or something else, but not an actual improvise device for Ramirez and his colleagues there was nothing odd about a murder, but a murder using an explosive devices the weapon was something new when I asked the question about has anybody worked case like this and everybody responded with no. You know, it got a little bit of I got my attention. Because then I'm thinking why Austin who's doing this to Austin I've been here almost eighteen years and nothing like this has ever happened. Why? Now, why be areas that they target it. The fact that a teenager was now one of the victims hit Ramirez heart. It was sort of like a personal head because it's part of the community. It's. Young Chow the had the rest of his life to live. So that that was the the worst feeling, and then realizing that the person or persons doing this did not care who the victim was. And so you take it personal because you wanna make sure you give the family in the victim the respective is our and do a proper investigation to not they're not going to change anything. But at least it gives some com of that. We did our job. We all wanted to know more about the packages. What did they look like how were the bombs triggered cave? You genuinely asked him at the press conference. Was there any particular specific markings on the packages, and he said, of course award, but they're not releasing that this time to protect the integrity of the investigation. He also said they know what kind of explosive it was in this incident as well as the March second one, and again, not releasing that information at this time to protect the integrity of the investigation because they obviously don't want the public to know too much at this time, one of the most disturbing things about these packages is that they really resembled a box that you would get from ordering something from Amazon they were packed about the size of book. They were designed to go off when the recipient opened one of the flaps of the boxes over the past year in the months after the bombings came to an end. We learn more about how the. Bombs were constructed. But what we do know about the packages is that they at least did involve batteries that involved a snap connectors, and they were made from common household items that could be purchased at big box retailers or local mom and pop hardware stores. But remember, we didn't know those details yet, we only knew what police were willing to share in the interest of keeping us all safe and stopping another bomb from going off a cave, you I could feel the story building. We were going into uncharted waters. The usual new cycle had been brusquely interrupted. We're now dealing with terrified residents. We were talking about a hate crime murders, a serial bomber. At that point, the anxiety and Austin really began ratcheting up, and it became clear to those of us in the media that this was going to be an all hands on deck kind of story. It really was a signal that this was happening. We didn't know who was doing it. We didn't know why they were doing it. But we all knew that it really became a time when we all as Allston residents had to be on guard. We were also going through our own little moments of fear and anxiety cave. You investigative reporter Eric proffer. I remember going home during all of this and seeing some sort of what ended up being trashed that had blown out of my neighbors recycling bin and thinking, should I go and approach this cardboard box that is laying on my street. And I didn't know what to do. I n and I remember sitting there going, I can't get into my driveway. It's it's blocking my driveway. And I really don't want to call authorities. If it's not a big deal and oddly enough, I think what I did which is sorta drive around it and then wait for a few minutes and at that point. I realized that it will. It wasn't anything and kind of laughed at myself of here for being so on guard for thinking that, you know, here it could be right in front of my house as well. But I think it's reflective of how we all felt in the community. Hey, if you're in a stories like bomber if you like hearing the story behind the headline checkout start here. It's a daily news podcast from ABC news breaking down a handful of the biggest story lines of your day Owen. Twenty minutes from events unfolding in real time. Entire town is demolished to our biggest investigations low. Robert muller. Michael Cohen calling. I'm Brad Mielke from ABC news. And my mission is simple to get you. Smart fast. So start here. Subscribe on apple podcasts over ever. You're listening. Now. Something to keep in mind here marches, usually when the news coming out of Austin is all about south by south west that was actually supposed to be my primary beat. So this is all unfolding when the annual music technology festival is taking place. So instead of the usual headlines from the international and national media who were in Austin, the story really got turned to the fact that Austin was having these very strange package explosions happening as a local Austin reporter, I found myself reporting on the annual music festival getting a few hours of sleep in then covering the bombings all in the same day. It was pretty surreal Jason Puckett, my colleague, he has the tough assignment covering live music, food, fun and great weather here. Epic shores. Yeah, you're making fun of Brian. I have to point out Albertson grew out here to Al freaky. So even with the news of a second bomb exploding on the morning of March twelfth south by south west was pretty much unaffected the festival in downtown. Austin seem. A world away from the grim. Reality of a serial bomber on the loose in east Austin behind the scenes, though, police weren't taking any chances. I think th authorities were concerned that we had tens of thousands of people here there were questions about whether or not someone had come to town as part of south by south west and may be doing this. And so there were a lot of concerns. There was a concert that was to be held during south by south west that was in fact cancelled after someone called in a bomb threat at on the venue where was scheduled to be happening. Authorities later arrested someone though and found that they had no connection to the bombing incidents that had been happening back in east. Austin on old fort hill drive. Neighbors were anxious and there were some tense moments. There was an evacuation that happened a second package also discovered at that house. Nothing happened nothing obviously exploded the bomb squad open that package nothing detonated. But they evacuated a large portion of the street just to be safe. It was all sickening redo of the scene ten days earlier and another east Austin neighborhood after the first explosion. But the fear was registered them. You could hear it in the voices of investigators and chief Brian manly. We were asking questions about ideology and motive and for the first time in the case. Some of us were thinking about names like Eric Robert Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh infamous convicted bombers, cold blooded killers. We wondered what kind of person could build a bomb Ling. But just as we were asking these questions and trying to make some kind of sense of the situation. We could sense something new was happening. Something had come in. Brian Manley was in the middle of a press conference talking to reporters about the past days. No, one was ready for what we learn next. As we started to focus back on the investigation is when I noticed kind of a gathering of people that that appeared to be, you know, obviously discussing something very concerning, and they started the head in my direction. And that's when they came up and let me know that we'd had another bomb. Go off the Austin. One one. Do you need police fire or EMS? Let me get them on. But they her you're smoking. I don't know. What happened? Okay. Are you are you near where the Bojan occurred? Man that aren't allowed and I go after. Police is right here that was like right around noon. I think or served because I remember our midday show was was ending. Yeah. It was about five hours later when there was yet. Another report of a package explosion this one injuring a seventy five year old woman, the advocacy emergency. Another round of frantic hysterical calls to Austin nine one one. Another explosion. Another person injured did it to a little boy we found out where it happened in southeast. Austin Galindo stool, ma'am, it's a small street made up of immigrant families and small wood framed homes. In fact, if you look at the map of Austin, you can almost draw a line from where that first explosion took place all with south to the second explosion. And then continue just a bit until you hit Galindo. If there had been any doubts about a serial bomber third explosion. Brought those two n. Are you with the patient, sir? Yep. How many people I want God? Okay. Okay. All right. I had help on. How old is the person that turned on the seventies? My on the seventy and the MO was the same package dropped off on the victims doorstep. How is the patient? That's her male or female. imagine Brian Manley trying to stay calm and protect the city, but hyper aware that the city was under attack absolute concern because we'd had one bomb that had already gone off that morning killing a young man seriously, injuring his mother, we've now had a second bomb go off, and you're thinking how many more did this person or persons plant overnight. How many more unsuspecting people may go out front and handle a package and suffer the kind of injuries or or loss of life that we've already seen? So it's it's the absolute need that you've got to get out. You've got to get your message out you want people to understand what's happening. And you wanna make sure you're getting that message as far and wide as you can. So that nobody else handles a suspicious package, but the reality that it's so hard to get information out at time. So we were working again with with regular meeting with social media just wanting to get it out to everyone that third explosion. Absolutely put Austin on notice that our city was under attack. And I think it really became a point of alarm for law enforcement as well that they have to continue pushing out the message for people not to open packages left at their door. If they were not expecting them. The victim seventy five year old Esperanza hope Herrera. Lebron Adele, Seton medical center for elderly mother managed to escape out of the back of the home. And amazingly there were no other injuries on the morning of may twelve their mother ninety three year old Mary Marino was sitting in her favorite chair and her kitchen, she just finished breakfast. When her daughter and fulltime caretaker as Baraza Harare, affectionately called hope when outside the front door. She assumed a package leftover night was her mother's mail. Order medication then a blast rocked the Merano home police once again honed in on a possible motive or connection between the tax the. Victim ten days ago in the victim early this morning. They were both African American and the victim here. This scene was Hispanic. They have not ruled out anything including this being racially motivated. We began speaking at this very early on because we recognized that all three bombs the first three bombs had all taken place east of I thirty five and all of our victims were victims of color. So we immediately started talking about that that was became part of the investigation. We still did not have anything that made us believe that it was hate related, but we didn't have reason to rule it out either. So that's why we continually when we talked about this. We emphasize the fact that while we don't have any indication at this point that it's related to terrorism or hate, we also cannot exclude it because the last thing you wanna do is focusing on one motivation or or or ideology because you might limit your phone. And miss things that lead you in another direction. There was considerable discussion about whether or not someone was attacking minority communities whether or not this was a fringe group that was going after Hispanic people and African American people in the community because all three victims were in fat minorities. No, white people had been targeted at all. At that point. We were all wondering how many more explosions would happen that day that week how many more deadly packages, we're going to be left on doorsteps and was this really happening in our hometown. And in the meantime, we had worked to once. We knew that we had a possible serial bomber that is when everything ramped up, really really fast. And the only thing that I can compare it to is something like hurricane coverage where you are. At the station, nearly twenty four hours going home. Getting a quick nap. Maybe have changed clothes getting back to the station. But behind the scenes and huddled in conference rooms FBI agents and detectives were painstakingly digging through evidence looking for that one piece that one shred of evidence that could point them in the right direction the direction of a killer FBI special agent in charge. Chris combs knew they didn't have a minute to waste when the third bomb happened. Then there was no question. We had zero bomber thoughts. Quickly raced to how do we get in front of this guy? And I said to many of my staff, I we don't want to have another irc route off where it went on for years. We're gonna do everything physically possible to get up there and get on top of this and stop it, and we had to send massive FBI resources at Austin next time on bomber. They've been successful in three incidents here. Austin and we're not going to stop. We're going to go all out with our federal partners or local partners, and we won't rest until we've identified the suspect and taking him into custody as far as being a skilled bombmaker. Do you have to be skilled essentially, the answer is no there's enough material on the internet to build a bomb, and that's not a surprise to anyone. Bomber is a production of all studios and cave. You available on apple podcasts. Spotify Google play and other major listening platforms. Our executive producer is will Johnson. My thanks to the people of Austin, my colleagues cave you and the men and women of the Austin police department for taking part in this podcast.

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