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Final Hours Before The NFL Draft

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:50 min | 7 months ago

Final Hours Before The NFL Draft

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. I miss for football fans. Cfo drought it. Stay one the excitement. Israel I take your take on. Espn RADIO THE ESPN APP. Espn news. I'm Jason Fitz presented by Progressive Insurance. Start the hour. We like to start every hour with some headlines that you need to know to get you caught up on everything that's going down and speaking of the NFL draft. One thing that's not going down is a trade for the number one pick. Now I get to say I told you so rarely happens but I told you a long time ago. Talk to some people around the league and they all said the same thing. There was no offer that the Bengals we're going to take to move out of the number one pick. Well we now know. That's true as the Adam. Schefter reported that the Bengals shut down the dolphins multiple times in the last few weeks when the dolphins call it to acquire inquire about moving up to the top overall seat in the draft. No they're not going anywhere they're gonNA sit at one and they're gonNA make. This thing is easy as possible so no movement for the bengals movement however for the Patriots as they had a wide receiver. We all know that it's a top. It's a wide receiver heavy draft for the NFL this year but New England didn't wait for the draft to come to add one player to their roster former Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver marquee sleep signs. A one year contract source told. Espn's Adam Schefter on Thursday. He became a free agent on April twentieth. When he was released by the jags it was surprising. Move to some twenty eight years. Old has had a tremendous injury history. That's made it difficult for him so hasn't been able to get on track but we'll see what happens from there and lastly select games from the final ten days of the MLB. The show players Lee including playoff team were a playoff tournament. I should say will begin broadcasting on ESPN ESPN two F. S. one in MLB network signing. So they're going to start Broadcasting these games starting Thursday and Saturday while MLB network will broadcast select regular season showdown Saturday so we'll see where that goes from there. It's I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz. If today the draft all eyes on the NFL. I expect record numbers tonight. How many of you guys are salivating at the opportunity to just fill normal? The draft is going to offer plus. Let's face it. We love to see the world at its best and worst all at once. We're all rooting for some sort of small issue. Everybody wants to see inside the homes of some of these guys. Everybody wants to see what the Webcam setup is like. We all want to see how technology goes down but this is what I know the. Nfl is going to put pull it off. It's going to be spectacular and everybody's going to watch it. We know that the first pick in all likelihood looks like it's going to be Joe Borough to the Cincinnati Bengals and after that it's likely to be chase young to the Washington redskins. Those two elements seem to have fallen into place in a pretty easy to track way. The question is what happens next. Because as you've seen mocks over the last two even twelve hours. We've seen drastic changes have we. We've seen marks for months. That have the Lions Taking Jeffrey Okuda. The cornerback out of Ohio state only to wake up today to mocks that have them instead taking Brown the defensive tackle out of Auburn so already. We're seeing chaos everywhere and his trey. Wingo said this morning on Golic and Wingo. The really begins this year at three. That's where the chaos will begin. And that's where the speculation of to a tongue of a low. We'll begin so with that. Being said Mel Kiper joined a maximum Stephen Asia. Talk all things draft including the dolphins the giants. Everything else that could happen. He gives you some straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. This is Mel Kiper today on. I say caretake. Why do you have to and now back with the dolphins now? No inside information there. Obviously Miami there was Talk Adam. Schefter talked about Miami wanting to move up and try to get Joe Borough. I just feel like to and I heard maybe not Herbert yesterday. So you go by what you hear. Molly. And that's what I heard. I think to the had him fall to five with the injury. That's why he's there a pass on him after what happened with drew brees. Now you get the left handed version of drew brees with two. I felt like I just can't see them doing it now. There are some in the league that they will pass quarterback wait till eighteen and kind of figure it out then but I just have to drop to what herbert past five and six. Where do you go with them in a projection? You have to drop them to the end of the first round and that doesn't make sense of if you're not going to project the trade and you're not going to put to what five and Herbert at six. What do you do with those two quarterbacks? Now you've got the giants at the four spot. I mean you had initially potentially taking somebody like an Isaiah Simmons. I mean he's alive back. You gotTa Kudos a Cornerback de Lee. Cornerback you've got both of them. Dropping spot simmons three spots Ikuta six pots and here. We are taking an offensive lineman of the New York giants. Why is that now? Well it sparkly and Daniel Jones and I think it's the giants thinking okay. This is what we need to do. GotTa make two players. Great WE GOTTA. Make Barclay and Daniel Jones. Great who gives us at best opportunity brought in Blake Martinez at linebacker? Who's a heck of a player is Ahah Simmons? I just think after talking to teams over the last couple of days. They love his versatility buddies. Not even though you had eight sacks but you only at ten the last two years eight team this season. He's not that feared sack artist yet. Okay Light Khalil. Mack was coming out like cloudy. Liked the guys. We talked about coming off the edge as well. That's why maybe he drops just a bit. Carolina using Luke retirement be good spot for him and Jeff Okuda drops down the Jackson. They'll which was a corner they D- we've heard. Cj Henderson's name from Florida mentioned there. I think Jeff Okuda if he's there with me a great pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now when we talk about the quarterback position obviously is borough. I it's too and then there's everybody else in most people's eyes in your eyes it seems like just in Herbert and two are pretty close. Where do you stand on that or is it really really? That close of a situation is to a distant as it has some distance. Ed of Herbert. What's the deal with that? Here's the deal Stephen to didn't have the injury but he does so people all want to talk about well. If you didn't have the injury does have the injury concerns. I don't WanNa hear. If he did he does. That's what closes that gap and makes it very interesting. Justin Herbert has been coming on what he did. Senior Bowl Week in mobile opened a lot of is he went down there. New Receivers knew everything. He looked like he belonged and he was. Mvp OF THOSE PRACTICES MVP of the game. So Herbert close. The gap nailed the process to had two hip. That is a real concern. And that's why you cannot say we'll two or does this this this better. Herbert does some things better as well. The gap has been close to the point. Where you fear the durability than you would maybe audible is the Herbert. If you don't love her you know taking the bottom. Y is guys. If you don't love these quarterbacks you don't take him you don't force it. It's happened before now. Some have benefited member. Brady Quinn drops. He didn't pan out. Cleveland member. Aaron Rodgers drop. That was a great pick for Green Bay Chad. Pennington drop a little bit jets. Took them real good? Pick their so. Sometimes when these quarterbacks drop a little bit of benefit teams and obviously Cleveland. It didn't work out with Brady Quinn more. So because the organization changed after that which didn't help Brady drafted him less. But the bottom line is it could happen where Miami at eighteen could get a quarterback there after maybe passing one and five if they decide to go that route. Let's talk about New England obviously with Brady and GRONK. Reuniting down there in Tampa Bill Belichick always knows how to work the draft. Like no other. What do you see the patch focusing on? Well they could divided Jalen hurts. His name comes up. Caesar Ruis the Center Guard from Michigan to help this quarterback situation whatever it is Jarrett Stidham whoever so you get ruis. Who started at guard and center during his career Michigan? They obviously need at linebacker. Jordan Brooks from Texas TECH IS NAME COMES UP A lot. Could look at a defensive. Back of Safety League. Xavier mckinney Alabama. Antoine Winfield Junior Minnesota. But I didn't want to put hurts there? I think that's a little high but you hear his name. Maybe somebody trading back into the late. I takes jalen hurts quarterback from Oklahoma maybe New England moves off twenty-three until the late first and then looks at hurts but I went with a guy would help the quarterback and then strengthen the interior of the offensive line in Michigan Sees Mel. We all know this as a very deep wideout class and yet it's also deep at offensive tackle and we see in a passing. League is much of protecting. The quarterback is important. But we'd better have guys that can catch football. Why is it that? So many offensive tackles are going so high and there's not wide out to be seen in spite of the depth that both both positions well death wide receiver by a mile of Max. And that's why I think teams are looking at second round receivers like Michael Pittman Junior. Usa think about Jaylen Reagan Tcu even into the Fourth Fifth Round Antonio Gandhi Golden From Liberty. So there's so much depth into the fourth fifth round that teams figure. Hey we need to get the tackle because there's not going to be a second round tackle mid to late second early third with a rating or even close to the writing of those wide receivers has so. That's why they're gobble on. These tackles up early. Even though they may be a little overdrafted teams of mention that to him there are over. Drafting tackled because of the drop off. And because even in Austin Jackson. We'll maybe get overdrafted. Maybe Ezra Cleveland Boise State. Maybe late first. Early Second overdrafted Josh Jones. Houston because after that. Good luck. Maybe is Ahah Wilson. Georgia could slip into the late first early second but mid the late second third round fourth round. You're getting much better wide. Receivers than your offensive tackles that straight. Talk Straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. I want to stress this too. Everybody too because you know you heard Jim Nagy earlier with US talking about it. One of our ESPN draft analyst. Talking about a lot of teams maybe moving up. Floyd reese this morning Golick and Wingo said that this is like a personal preference draft. It's a draft of need. I should say you're GONNA see a lot of teams that have identified particular players that will fit. Exactly what they want. And then they're going to be able to maneuver all over the board to get them so more so than ever. The Second Third Fourth Round is GonNa actually hold a lot of value. And I believe you're going to see on the broadcast when you're watching it. Complimentary things being said about players selected in the third and fourth round. Like you haven't seen in years. That's what I think makes this particular draft so special. It may not have some of the star power at the top that you're used to throughout the entirety of the first round but there are a lot of really good players are going to be able to come in and make a difference in once you get to the middle late portion of the first round you can take that all the way to the middle portion of third round and still be getting great players. Were taking your take the best. Move Your team ever made on draft day triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six gave in New Mexico. What do you got the best? Move your favorite team ever made you know. I wanted to go back to nineteen ninety when When Jimmy took over the linebacker he wanted. But I just couldn't do it because I gotTa go more recent to twenty four teams when Stephen Jones stepped in and took Zack. Martin and over Mandel. Thank you for that. Don't leave me I gotta ask you a question. What your level of concern this year. The Jerry Jones doesn't have Steven Jones sitting right next to him to kick him in the Shin. While he's making the you still. You still feel good about Jerry Jones being alone in the house with all that power mad. That's kind of scares a little bit Especially because I know. There's some needs that we're going to need in the first round from the way it sounds Jerry. We nobody knows what he's GonNa do. I mean he's talking about making a big move and then he kind of shut that down and says they're not moving from seventeen and tells me they ended up going with maybe who's the best player on the board instead of the best player of what they need. I don't know who knows what Jerry is GonNa do. But Yeah I really wish Stephen was there with him this time. Just going to have to find out then pacified. Now well gave celebrating or or crying in your drink. Either Way. Call US tomorrow. We'll get through it together my friend. That's what we're going to be doing anymore. You know it Brian in Kansas City. What do you got is the best move? Your team ever made on draft day man. I was you know I was going back and forth on this question I go with value. Is it a a late round? Pick 'cause like growing up Jamaal Charles Fall until the third. I mean you saw what he did average more yards per. Carry anybody in history but to save pick has gotta be mahomes moving up to draft homes. We didn't need a quarterback that year. I thought we really needed a corner like lattimore. But obviously mahomes has already proven. Brought US are Super Bowl. We wanted we're getting a ton of tweets on my home and look. I know some of this has recently buys but if you're Kansas City how can it not be mahomes right like when you think about what it brought to the franchise and the way. It's worked out perfect. It's been for everybody involved in how perfect it's been from a homes. How perfect it's been for the chiefs. The the partnership that's worked there to get a super bowl title out of all of that. I mean that's just a level of of sort of greatness out of a pig that you rarely get in these situations Allen Pennsylvania you know I love it when Alcohols Allen I know your favorite teams the raiders. So what's the best move? The raiders made on Draft Day for you. Okay my my original selection is Is already taken by a previous caller? I was going to mention the Jackson. Trade you know. I'll Davis got Bo Jackson. But I've got another one that Going old school on. Yeah back. Nineteen nineteen eighty one. A LITTLE DEFENSIVE TACKLE. I think in the third round defensive tackle out of Villanova Basketball School guy called. How long does that one worked out? Well FOR THEM. I mean al. You're taking me back to. I was too young at that point. You know I was four years old then so I didn't get to see those drafts. I wish I had some of those memories and seeing somebody is tweet. Some of these historic drafts from the late seventies eighties for teams is such an important reminder when you look at the draft and this is what we all do. We're all going to look at the draft. Is The reason why our team is going to get better but you also have to acknowledge that part of the reason that your team has got more they are for many of these bad teams is. Because you don't draft. Well there has to be some moment that changes that momentum you know and that's what every organization is trying to find. If you're the raiders. Mike mayock last year had a ton of success. So now raiders. Fans feel like this year's draft can be better but if you're the dolphins you're looking at and saying okay. What are we looking at now with floors? Is He gets more funding. If you're the lions you don't have a ton of faith because they've messed up the draft so many times to get here. Why there's so much proof of concept in what we're seeing from the draft and why it's important triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. That's how you get in on. What your your best move. Is your favorite move for your team that they've ever made on draft day. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz I take. Espn radio presented by progressive. Don't forget about the all in challenged by the way it's a fundraising effort for corona virus crisis relief a one hundred percent of what is race. One hundred percent of what is raised will benefit organizations providing food to those in need particularly kids the elderly and frontline workers. 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They're the ones that have underachieve year after year after year for the most part and they've got to find a way to step up and get it done. I'm looking at the Dallas cowboys and I'll be honest with you. Max and pass the spears. I won't deny it. You know what you could come up with other solutions of the teams that might have more pressure than the Dallas cowboys. I'm just having fun. Applying pressure to the Dallas cowboys. Because they're nauseating disgusting fan base out there. I'm looking at the possibility of the Dallas cowboys. Making some noise. And I'm thinking about all the stuff that Dallas Cowboy fans are GonNa go through with the expectations only to be found end up miserable yet again anything that contributes to the misery that disgusting nauseating fan base. There's something I support. It's my personal feelings. It's my personal preference. I don't give a damn what anybody else says. It's about the misery other Dallas Cowboy Fan base. That is what I'm focused on with this answer. They're a bunch of good answers here and the cowboys are not one of them. Stephen a the I I. I would say the Miami Dolphins and you've been on this show talking about with. The dolphins have done in this off season but on top of that they got a million draft picks first round picks a boatload this year and next and the way they finished the season the way they went from laughing stock. That seemed to quit early on this the worst team we've ever seen to a five win team that beats the Patriots on the final week of the season in a must win game for the Patriots as it turned out they wanna buy yes or no. They didn't get the vine they lost in the first round out. Tom Brady's GonNa like. That was a huge game for the Patriots and Miami beat them so so there poised trending in the right direction. They have a coach. Got them to buy in eventually. They have to get these picks right like this. It's been four ever since Miami was good and Miami. By the way the dolphins or a national team there are some teams that that ring bells nationally. And the Miami Dolphins partly because it's an international port city and it's an awesome place and also a lot. Because of Dan Marino you know Marino was such a fee nom that he created and the dolphins created a nationwide vans. They are national team that I think flies under the radar in that respect in a way so the dolphins are under tremendous pressure. I think the giants are also under pressure. There are a lot of teams. I would put as top pressurize teams in that top group of five or six but but the giants are another one. That's my team and say. Look I hit on the quarterback. Everyone said that I was GONNA get wrong. Saquon Barkley hit on the running back to but you're drafted him second overall. You're not supposed to do that. Really right and the giants are still terrible. Now you've got a new coach. You got a top pick at a certain point. Catch be well. You can argue. I hit on this picky. GotTa put together a team that can win so the giants also under real pressure. Here let me pick it back on to just say Max. It is absolutely the Miami Dolphins. Listen we can take drafts from the beginning of the draft right now. The teams under the both presser or the teams that need franchise quarterbacks because we hear it all year long. If you don't ever quarterback you cannot win in this league and look at what the Dolphin did to acquire these. Obviously Trade Meek Fitzpatrick to the Pittsburgh steelers. They had to make moves. They had to make big moves in order to acquire these picks. And if you don't have that Guy Behind Center it is not going to happen for you. Here's another reason why they're under so much pressure. Who the hell do they take isn't just an her because you concerned about tours injury history his durability or is it a tool because the upside is a landslide over what we just. Herbert's of side is they are in A. I won't say a terrible situation. They are in one of the hardest situations that I can remember in drafts. By making the decision on a player that even take your franchise to the highest of heights whichever body believes it can by his talent or they were just a herbal where they may have a fan base. Just feels like hey. We just settled because this was the next best thing to to because to injury. There are so many things and so many chips that the Miami Dolphins put on the line in order to be sitting in this position at five to change their franchise. They legit do not have a franchise quarterback on their roster. They are under the most pressure. And it's not even really close to anybody else. Everybody says the chargers tyrod Taylor has played good football. They at least think that they can float a season or two with tyrod Taylor plan especially with the talent around him. Miami IS IN NO POSITION TO GET THIS DRAFT WRONG. I on ESPN RADIO. And Espn News. On Jason Fitz and Mark Speir spitting a lot of truth right there. They get this draft wrong. It said organization back so far. We'll keep breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL draft. Obviously and we're going to keep taking your take on the best move. Your team ever made on draft age relates say. Espn eight seven to nine three seven seven. Six more your take coming up. Plus Adam Schefter spoke on first. What's his latest on the draft? You'll hear it next coming up. But first it's time for some straight talk you know at a full court. Press and basketball is right full defensive coverage with no holes. That's the kind of coverage you'll get straight talk. Wireless runs on America's best networks same as the big carriers but for a lot less just forty five bucks a month. Get you the unlimited plan. We twenty five gigs of high speed data than to the Gospel. Big Carriers no contract full court coverage half the cost. That straight talk wireless. Everything for less savings may vary see terms and conditions at Straighttalk DOT com. Get the straight talk on what's going to happen at the top of the draft next. I take your take on. Espn radio stick your take on. Espn radio the ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel Eighty Jason Fitz. It's the day of the draft. I'll tell you if you If you want a fun way to get some insight on the draft throughout the course of the evening I'm going to be hanging out. The last couple of years have been able to do a draft broadcast. I'm really proud of with meantime field. Yates Dominic Foxworth. Mike Golic Junior. We're coming back together this year. We're adding Harry Douglas former NFL wide receiver to the group He he gets to join the wolf pack tonight. We're going to zoom sort of call where we're going to be together and they're going to make it look pretty what's cool about it is. It won't be live for you on twitter. If you're going to live and just see in our twitter lives there. It won't be there what's going to be happening is as the draft goes on. We're going to give our reactions and they're going to cut them out. They're going to put him on social media so in the ESPN APP. Facebook youtube twitter anywhere that you usually get digital ESPN content. They're going to be up there. Just a few minutes after every pick so. Be Sure if you want to see some of the thoughts we follow us. You can follow me at Jason Fitz or you can follow the main. Espn account chicken. The APP refresh the APP. And keep your eyes out because it's a great way to get ours insights. We're going to be doing the same thing we've done the last couple of years. We're going to have some fun. We're going to be casual about it. We're going to be relaxed about it but every person involved in this broadcast tonight just spent months preparing for it. So you're going to get great insight but you're also gonNA casual vibe along the way so be sure your following me at Jason Fitz or get out to the ESPN APP twitter youtube wherever you could ESPN digitally. You'll be able to get our reaction to picks as they're coming down up there. We'll be getting our thoughts throughout the course of the evening. I take your take on. Espn radio I'm Jason Fitz and Adam. Schefter joined I take today to talk about some of the movement that could be happening at the top of the draft is teams trying to figure out what's going on with the Lions and the dolphins specifically what is the latest. You're hearing about movement at the top of the draft. Listen it's always possible. We know that the Detroit lions at number three would like to go back to New York giants at number four would like to go back. I think the key question here. The dolphins at five the chargers at six both teams are thought to be interested in quarterbacks in the question is does one of them. WanNa move up and to date the sense. I've gotten his no. And basically maybe the lions or giants asking price later in the day drop psalm. And if that's the case then maybe one of these teams winds up coming up for a small price. But I don't think the lions or the giants are going to get the ransom that they would like to have at this particular point in time so again. It's there's a real chance that the top five six picks of the draft will stay just where they are over. That's very unusual for a draft not to have any movement. But the keys the quarterbacks and wouldn't the dolphins think the chargers will come up with the chargers value one of the quarterbacks enough to leapfrog the dolphins because they think the dolphins are going in a certain direction. But the issue is. We don't know which quarterback dolphins want. We don't know what's quarterback. The chargers want but we do know that quarterbacks in play at five and six why exactly are the Detroit? Lions looking to move back. And what does this say about the level of confidence that they have in Matthew Stafford? I imagine they have more confidence in him. That has been initially reported why I think they do have confidence in Matthew Staff and I absolutely do believe that I will be surprised if the Detroit lions go for a quarterback. We never fully know until the draft happens. But that would surprise me. So if you're the line sitting at three and you could go back to five or six. You're still going to be able to get a blue chip defensive talent at five or six the same player Stephen that you probably would wind up getting at number three because I think most people think the lions would trade with one of those teams if could get worked out which again. There's nothing close at this time and that team coming up. We'll take a quarterback. The giants are not in the quarterback market so again only one of those two teams the lions or the giants could move back because potentially only one of those teams to dolphins are chargers. Could COME UP. And that's even if they are willing to come up as of this morning. That was not the case. Now it could change. The course of the day goes on. We're sort of at the bewitching hour where people put their cards on the table. The moment of truth arrives and we get to see what everybody's really thinking. You could play poker all you want but in the end you gotta show your cards here. And so we'll know whether or not one of those teams. The dolphins are chargers is uneasy enough that to sit where they are rather than move up and again to date nothing close to happening. I take your take on. Espn radio to date nothing close to happening. Let's see how these phones are working as we get closer and closer to the draft third overall picture still feels like it's a gold mine. The question is what's IT GONNA take to move up. And what are people moving up four? So I'm really interested to see who falls in all of this to there's going to be somebody unexpectedly that will fall lower in the drafter when you're watching all the draft by the way throughout the course of the weekend. Thursday Friday Saturday. Don't forget on Sunday tune into the last dance behind the scenes. Look at the ninety Chicago Bulls Dynasty. The ten part series began last Sunday. Continues this Sunday nine PM Eastern on? Espn then listen to the wrap up. Podcasts hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by state farm available. Wherever you enjoy your podcast. They did some great work on it last week. So be sure to check that out. Also we're checking out your best move that your favorite team ever made on Draft Day Glenn in Georgia. What you got is the best. Move your favorite team ever made on draft day. Hey thanks for taking my call. Two thousand eleven is -LANTA. Foul can join up from twenty seven to six to take. Julio Jones from the Cleveland Browns. That's a heck of a move. That was an aggressive move at the time too so got to give a lot of credit to that. One thing I think is is awesome about that. In the moment you knew that that was going to be a big move but it's easy for some of us to look back on these draft moves and say. Okay years later. You're excited about what happened to this. Six rounder that seven hundred but in that moment in two thousand eleven falcons fans knew what they were getting. They were excited about what they were getting. They loved it then. They love it now. That's the perfect example. Scott and Minnesota. What do you got? What's the best? Move your favorite team ever made on draft day nineteen eighty-eight Sterling Sharpe at number seven. Okay Scott stick with me why Sterling Sharpe at number seven and eight thousand eight over Eh. Rogers ending the free fall of Aaron Rodgers. I think people forget how Great Sterling Sharpe was as a wide receiver in an eighty eight. We didn't get very many top ten picks. I mean Scott. I'm in for what you're taking there like I. I'll go with that. I mean I think there's a little bit of recency by for me and Aaron Aaron Rodgers and let's also acknowledge that Aaron Rodgers sat for a couple of years so maybe there was some excitement that point Justin in Virginia. What's the best move? Your favorite team ever made on draft day. I'm say trump is back. When I was a very I would say Ali will be eight draft plan. Filadelfia kicked Donna and Ricky Williams or could have been when they moved up up believe when they drafted Carson Winston. They moved up and drafted him. Because really if it wouldn't have been for Carson Wentz. They wouldn't have the Subaru Super Bowl. Run THAT THE KNICKS. Both of them in the playoffs. But if wouldn't have been for the regular season play Parsa wins We don't know what happened fair point and look I put McNab over Wentz. You know my mind for best rap moves but but I can see both sides of it Andrew in Alaska. What do you got is the best? Move your favorite team ever made on draft day you know. I'm so tired of hearing about these quarterbacks best round pick in History Philadelphia Eagles two thousand eleven the greatest number in history. Jason Kelsey. I'm telling you SP- speeches go. Gettysburg address is all right. I have a dream. We could call it. Inspiring we choose to go to the moon. Yeah that's fine. The super bowl championships speech blows out of the water hall of fame. Let's make them president. Jason Kelsey that. Look I mean. You're you're not wrong about that at that parade speech good Lord. I could listen to that thing all day long. Make me run through an an absolute wall. So I'm not even GonNa Dispute John. That Robin Missouri. What's the best movie? Your favorite team ever made on draft day. Who of them right? Quick Nineteen Eighty nine twenty eight when the number one overall and then my number one with the nineteen sixty four draft number one twenty six or one twenty nine. I forget which Roger Starbuck. Oh stop obviously an incredible pick their you think about the Aikman picked particularly and it reminds us how bad the cowboys were won't point. And I think we just forget about that. It's like we forget. There was a period where the Patriots were the worst team in the NFL. Right like it happened so long ago you forget about that but Aikman was the beginning of the turnaround so when you think about what that led to the number of super bowls that led do. That's absolutely a great call on that one Jason Pennsylvania. What's the best move. Your favorite team ever made on Draft Day Big steelers fan. I had a lot to think about their Tripod them moving up for him was one in my mind. Obviously get Ben Rothlisberger. But there's no doubt Joe Greene as the Hallmark Hall of Famer The Best Player. On the best team in the seventies. Joe Green has to be our best pick ever. Oh yeah that's that's great. What I really love about what you just pointed out were different. Picks FROM SOME DIFFERENT ERAS. I mean it's a reminder that certain teams have gotten more they are because they continue to pick. Well triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. That's how you tell us the best. Move Your team ever made on draft. You can also tweet me at Jason Fitz. Speaking of all of this is an honor of the draft. We're GONNA get tonight. The question is what rookie drafted this weekend? We'll have the biggest impact on their team. Next season you'll hear what they thought next. I take your take on. Espn RADIO AND ESPN news. Speaking I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN APP. Siriusxm channel eighty ESPN news. I'm Jason Fitz suppressed. Move Your team ever made on draft triple eight say. 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If you missed the second hour of today's show go check it out on demand and the first take your take podcast brought to you by capital one capital one. You can open a new checking or savings account no fees or minimums. Welcome to banking reimagined. What's in your wallet? Approval required capital one a member. Fdic lot rookies are going to be picked tonight. The question is which of those rookies will have the biggest impact Stephen. A Max discussed that today on I take. I'm going with the Washington redskins going to scoop him up at number two. I think that they're getting him. Obviously to get to. The quarterback had sixteen and a half sacks at Ohio. State this past season. He's the Premier. Pass rusher in all of college football when the down only that if you peeling off of Nick and Joey Bosa who both started Ohio state in this guy is the one that followed them. I mean obviously that's a good pedigree to lean on and so when I look at it from that perspective my mentality is. Is that again you to watch the redskins you're playing in the NFC east cost and Wentz wants to throw the football all day primarily because the eagles very rarely have a running game to speak up. Even though Ezekiel Elliott is going to run the Football Dak Prescott. Some things to prove he's going to strike back. Pass these twenty five or thirty times a game. Of course Daniel Jones. He's a fumble waiting to happen at least thus far as rookie year has shown as much. So if you change your on your really salivating opportunity to get to him because you did for six fumbles last season you can carry that over to the NFL. Just playing against Daniel Jones alone might give you about four to six fumble recoveries for crying out loud so when I look at it from that perspective I think the conference that he's division that he's playing in rather not just to mention the offers. You got a lot of quarterbacks love throwing the football in the NFC and then you look at what? The redskins are trying to do what they're attempting to do. Clearly they want to go at least Daniel. Snyder wants to believe in doing Wayne Haskins. And that's what he's sticking with so since they're not going to go with a quarterback they're gonna go with an edge rusher and chase young has an opportunity to really play lights out this year and have a profound impact by virtue of the quarterbacks that he will be going against within the NFC east. That's why that is my choice as the biggest impact by a rookie I got. I got a Simmons. Being that guy to make the impact immediately because of how many positions he plays in how many opportunities he'll get to make plays not only rushing the passer dropping back at the safest finding playing that linebacker. I think he's the most versatile player in the entire drought. I'm not just talking about the forty time I'm talking about how he was you the brick venables defense at Clemson and now taken his talents to the NFL. Were only translate to what today's game is. He is going to be a problem. He is going to create havoc from all kinds of ways. Choi Paula Milo. Show Taylor when you think about guys that play multiple spots in this league time before he got injured derwin James. Wh what he was for the L. A. Charges as Simmons is going to be that kind of player. I'm looking forward to seeing him laying. Make the biggest impact as a rookie. I take your take on. Espn RADIO ESPN news. If Simmons starts to fall at any point and that's been rumored over the course of today a lot of teams are going to be looking to trade up to try and take a Khuda or Simmons either one. Those are two defensive players that they start to drop become incredibly valuable even if the top of the draft. They're incredibly Value Valuable Amos California. Always love it with Amos Calls Amos. What's your take I know? You're a broncos Fan. So what's the best move? The broncos ever made for you on draft day. There're couple there's my favorite which is he. Terrell Davis by far the greatest day three pick of all time and then not a draft a not draft a pick but undrafted Chris Harris. Who made the all decade team this year. I believe? That's that's actually a really good call on Chris Harris who's now going to be Taunting both of us played for the chargers going into next year. Jeff in New York. What's the best move? Your team ever made on Draft Day Randy Moss to the Vikings when when First of all thank you cowboys surpassed place and when you watched him play at Marshall. He was like a grown man playing with teenagers. The videos ridiculous so thanks appreciate show. Thank you know Jim. Thanks for the take on it. I love it and appreciate it. You know the draft is like I said that moment of hope for everybody. It's also a moment for us all feel a little bit normal. And that's I think part of what we can take away from tonight tomorrow whether your favorite team wins or loses the draft in your mind come hang out with us because it's going to be awesome to celebrate it coming up. Should the bengals actually trade? The number one overall pick will cain talks about it next. Thanks for listening to I take your take.

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Debate Amongst Friends Season 4 Episode 35

Debate Amongst Friends With Doc & Prof

1:40:35 hr | 7 months ago

Debate Amongst Friends Season 4 Episode 35

"Sportscenter. Lazy Gentlemen, Welcome back to the beat amongst friends. I'll deep giant kind co host over here is back lease that the podcasting beasts. We're ready to provide you with another fun edition of Sports News, analysis, and the reads. Ladies and gentlemen. We. Make mistakes through our lives. We do things that against the grain that thought necessarily popular, but you know we always want that second chance. We always want to give us that chance. Give us. That chance DOC, the saints. Are Giving. Jay, Miss, a chance. Are Which? You know I. Mean There's nothing wrong with that. In the realism. Relieve Him I. Don't know why people have been. You don't tell you what. Why you. Know the answer. We're going to tell people the answer. It dampened before. Things? That's happening right now. So number one. You have people who are mad. The Jamie State within a division. Number two. You have people who are sang Jamison stupid, because apparently the rumor has it as he turned down a deal to go play with steelers for more money. Which I had said all along. I thought that was a good fit for our well. Hand? Number three the idea that. You know. It's okay. It's okay. For Janus to go to the team because the bucks did not want him. Yes, half the fans want him. And half the media said that he was probably not in the lead. So. My. Only issue is. You. Go to team where you had a little bit of beef with them. I mean this is looming Real Ron R.. Each. And runner test a lot of flack. Getting beat up by the Lakers. All those years in any win joined him. I really had a huge problem with Ron for for that matter, but. James I mean he got he got to do I. Mean with the way their. With their situation is set up with res being in his forty S. honestly, I got the bucks. I mean. I guess they should have tried to do the same thing, but in my opinion I thought it was disrespectful to Jameson this whole football business for him to come back. On a minimum deal after making twenty million dollars last season, twenty, three million dollars or something like that. so the fact that he might have made. You might be making You know we respecting here when you deal I'm of between three to five million dollars. Three to six dollars was likely. I found disrespectful. You know. I think this is a guy that could start still i. do believe he's still better than at least ten to twelve quarterbacks in the league right now, and The fact that he had to take this route to prove themselves. It's kind of tough, but. I'm just happy that you've got another opportunity and this. Gets US away, from. Quote Unquote. The black quarterbacks getting picked up the black. You know what I mean like. I hope this puts that. Story that angle to bed it never does. That's that's unfortunate. So I didn't know about the steelers situation. And trying to hypothesize why he turned it down I. Offer mation that that's actually what happened. Like speculation. It, does it does I mean ultimately to mean? I thought that was really really good. Fit You know you said this on the show. I feel like him and Big Ben Bear. Perfect almost perfect counterparts. I play the same style. They have long releases. They both have pretty big bodies. They both not scrambling around all over the place. I really felt like those two is. From each other you know the steelers aren't asking you to. Eran Al but letting drew brees. Can Be added. It it is I mean learning from? You know from Tom Brady not there. so. To me. I think that if it was me, I mean it's a win. Win for James knew he was gonna get an opportunity, and I'm happy for you know whether he's a buffing. GonNa gain mice and fan and I think that he's. Five yeah, which is so proposed I. Mind you folks? We're not planning this by on auditor. Off I was watching the Steve Mariucci whiteboard tests, mom, a lot of quarterbacks for like the past two years actually and James says was very interesting because you could tell. He had the confidence that he had the swagger. Look Steve off a little bit, but you know he's like you know what you know what you're talking about like you know. Keep it going. He definitely knows we found out he he's got the football knowledge and like I said the only thing about James is all season which Trenton really. Nail home and and really. Just drill this in is that he had three procedures den off the. He got me fix the meniscus you know. Freakin Binger and then he had surgery. You. You don't know how. High how it's going to be with him coming off basic surgery so to me. I thought it was why I'm situations where. You just never know with with the team. They might want to be in a chance to really. Get Him on the field. They Wanna get them with their doctors. He get them with their coaches and split they committee. And that goes with him an CAM. Yes. Of course at this time CAM has not psalmody. Right. which I mean, we're more speculation of course. That Cam could be going to the Patriots, but that's all speculation all speculation. I'm going to try to speculate about this. New there. I mean those who were defending James so hard. PROBABLY BE, happy! That he signed routine. Assay probably because he did go to to a division rival edgy stated right right, the problem was defended himself vehemently that it becomes hypocritical. To get upset because he signed with the division rival, so I ask I plus you third you the people. Is it better to see someone who you respected so much signed with another team to play football for another day. Or does your pride takeover on I'M TALKING ABOUT FRIED! Food folks. I mean I would be interested. The answer I mean there's no question about it. I definitely would be. Interested to know what people would say in that situation, because like I said I'm a football fan. I'm happy or James we number one. You're playing for team where. Drew brees is not a spring chicken like he's GonNa potentially get hurt and he's going to. Need to come in this is drew. BREES is ride. made it no, like as soon as these two years are up for him. He's going to commentary. Going up to the. He's. Thought the contract I million did. Did? Ultimately to me. This seems like. A! James Winston. He's on a one year. Deal, Allah? any water, yes. Thanks get a backup quarterback a proven BAC quarterback to cover. Their that their aging veterans. and. If anything happens a Burrito drew brees. My question. Is. Do we feel bad for Taste Hill? Because even though he got the extension. Brandon. Inge Amos ultimately. Knowledge to me, I felt like this is a this is a season long competition to see who will be the next SORTA QB for the saints after troops. Allied pace inhale on surprised in at least. I'm more surprised that. It's going to be a slow transition like I like it. They're gonNA. They're gonNA slowly transition drew brees out. I didn't give much. I. Get the Guy a shot grow. Come on. Come on. I don't know how many games he started for the Saints So. them, it's that piece is why they're slightly has to just pull that trigger like he has expired a full day. and. James has I guess that's huge, you know. Being a big factor there but I also believe that. I think is going to play better. And that's the part that's thinks it's going to prove people right. We could have kept him on the Tampa. You know especially anything happens when none because they'll save. WHO's getting on him about throwing? Those picks? Herati are not allowed to try to send their statement. They put it out there. It's on twitter. facebook. It's on. It's on the Brown paper bag that your mom used to put your eight. Is there we'd no. No idea, man. It's like it's really tough because. I just know it's coming like I. Can feel it always sto- literally. I knew she kept him like you know we we. We jumped the gun too fast and Leaguer Dennis and he did that and I'm just like. Bro First and foremost. Let me, tell you something Jane Janus, Winston is a great quarterback. Never eat nobody's GonNa say that I said anything bad about Jim. It's the only thing I said about Janus that. If. It was me I wouldn't want to take a twenty million dollar pay cuts just they were the same team. If I'M GONNA. Take a twenty now. A pay cut I might as well go somewhere else. Yes. In an that's the only thing I believe I. really averaging like this is a huge difference. Folks look the next segment in moment, but it's, but there's a huge difference between. Getting rid of someone before, they actually had a chance to prove themselves. Many Thais with my basketball team. and You see what the guy can do. You know. Tinker few things around. And you have been great, but you gave up on him now. He goes somewhere else and he is balling. Out of control like you can't have. Sorry. This work that way. You really can't and I think to be honest Knows the situation and I told people was that Jameson throw thirty and exceptions wouldn't even be having this conversation. You re signed a massive beer with Tampa. We wouldn't have gotten brain rock and win. The guys people who just got. Brought James Back. We ran EVAC. Honestly we would have been in the playoffs. FAMOUS ODEON EXCEPTIONS exactly. On vk it. Without that we talked about that as well so you bring in. Tom Brady in Gronk bringing all these players draft and everything which we're GONNA go over. and. You know here. Here's a guy. In Janus who. He started out ref. You know coming out of college you had you know yelling obscene it up sceneries, obscenities, ego and in the lunchroom. As you know quote, unquote crab leg. Lift incident so he's got these things. You know he's looking for a you know A. contract. and. Options. So yeah. It's tough and I'm sure. Sean Payton's looking at it. Like why am I GONNA ask j? You know Mike Tomlin's like no I'm not gonNA shameless. Heck if the Patriots rare. I'M NOT GONNA ax Janus to throw it twenty yards plus every every play. We'll. See was really more physician because he kept going to the hub from the home run. Which is which is? More Bruce, Arians, identities such as emo. Thing, you know which I get, you know what I mean I understand hundred percents. But. It's tough. You know the State Amis. It's really really tough and like I said. I was Jameson. Do was. Less the remove and we have to move on the nanny. You know what I mean I did there. We'll have more debate about friends right after this. And we are back ladies and gentlemen. What a fun filled weekend! We had the NFL draft. A. Little Different Shout. Del I mean usually he does what one round and then he kind of backed out. I was expecting to see deputy initiative coming in this league, but that never gonNA happen. but what a great great draft! I really enjoyed it at. This is the first time I actually. Watched out, say more than eighty five percent of it a property to think about it. I think the pace of it was way better and I think that's why a lot of really enjoyed it like. We got through the draft weaker than we've never gotten to a draft before. There wasn't interviewing this person like seventeen times and brisk. Showing all. Stuff kind of thing now they. Put the team on the clock. The pictures in here's the kick. It talked about the person account like the fact that they also added in the Look Bachelor about each player to thousand pretty good barrier, each one each one. I hate to be that person. But does everyone have to? Go through some kind of tragedy like. Everyone. It was with great by terrible you had it was great, but ill just so much. I feel at for a lot of players. I mean there was a lot of. A lot of death, in in which it said, man honestly. Really really sad. We got to go and you know. We got some grades here for the people going to go over I. The AFC East I thought the AFC east dominated the draft because we have so much, Miami, dolphins and patriots picks. Surprisingly I did not hear too much from jet fans. I don't know if they hate it or love it, but we're going to go. Their our. Farm Joe keep them rallied in. Finding jobs tired. In Spirit but I'm. Rooting them on might not yet the game, but I'm pretty sure he's in there just like. Oh maybe we. The sounds real deletes of him. Now, but ultimately. I did. Maybe, that'll be a final thought. but ultimately I think that the rest of the draft was pretty good. We're going to run through the AFC. Starting with the Buffalo Bills. The local builth did not have a number one our first round pick. They you pick exchange for Stefan digs, which is free from? I think that's a a worthy Dick. I think that's something good with a second round pick. Aj Pinza. Yes, loo-. I thought personally was. Destined and primed to be in new, England! but I think Buffalo's got themselves great people in. They also got later on in the in the draft Jake from which I think is a pretty salad pick. Yeah, and they got some great filling pieces so ultimately I, think that's a pretty good deal It looks like pro football focus gave them an A. minus and I would be inclined to agree with that. I think the problem was just. For the last year, they're probably which is more on the play. Call exotic things I'm. Just being a young team I felt like their defense was really stout. Attic Penza as a whether, he starts or he. Be the second up a coming off the bench. will help with that defense a lot I like the fact that the rest of their draft pick was all on the office of side. Yeah, it. It's very interesting by different course right I mean. We're talking about a team that was. One drive away exactly. Unfortunately couldn't get it done. I mean not. The players at the added in. The End. The draft are going to help them tremendous. I was A. Was the next. The next thing we have here who was very busy? Oh my interest, the Miami, dolphins. Three first round takes two seconds of third fourth to fifth, sixth and seventh I mean. They seem to be on the clock all night long. Was It, first pick. They deal took two of which you know. Some people are saying. Lila. If somebody were saying they weren't. GonNa do it's But they did. It made sense Then they went into Austin Jackson with their second I. This is the first round pick from USC. WHO's one of the top five top six tackles? And I think later on. They took another office alarm, and so they they really really went. Everyone heavy on defense for most of this draft. But accede the fact that they started to build with franchise. altern pieces like to a Austin Jackson. Bring in another office alarm and You know you gotTA corner and Divas Line Safety Office Lot Defense Defense Defense. You know what I mean, so it's like. I feel like they went and got players. WHO ARE GONNA to plug in here and fill some depth at some of their positions, yes. And they really use their draft picks and free agency wisely. pro football focus here gave them also a minus and again I would be inclined to agree yes. ended enrolled with it of. If anything they help rebuild. As before just plugging those holes, of course, let's see what happens. We'll to get back onto the field, but based on what they actually lead at thought. They did really get a job strapped. NARPED lutely Um, so the Knicks team of The New England. Who didn't have a first round pick after they treated away, move down. I was chargers to acquire some additional picks up. Which? Features Way. Yes, way I don't blame for not wanting to take the money. There's a big difference in money. and the players they drafted weren't first. Round is or sector yoke might not even have been around that. We know because these guys never heard of. But. I will give them credit. They know how to make. The most out of that, they were see. I can't tell you about any of these guys not one. e-e-eh. Me Anthony Jennings Alabama I. mean that's probably the only person that I actually seen play. Everybody else is trying to just like out there. Against reciprocated, those particular demographics but I'm sure if bill BELICHICK IS GONNA get the most out of this. and I can understand why pro football focus gave him a B. In. I would. Me Personally. I probably would give him a B minus. Because I really felt like they could have. Drafted a quarterback between rounds five percents. Just to get that depth in there and have a quarterback compete, but I mean I'm sure they're going to get that in the undrafted free agent pool but. I really believe that drafting a young quarterback could have been a good move for them. I understand where you're going with that. I think they gave debts Fulbe for Belichick. Her but. One of the group of do, safety minus. But. The problem is the Patriots such a great job with guilty draft. They'd be draft so well that it's hard for me to. Take points off for them because. They turned around the just. Be You know stugotz on the? So, I, mean I see where you're going with that and I'm inclined to agree with you, but I can see why they only gave them a be. Definitely wasn't getting a I could pay. Less team the NEO Sofala J. EPS. Steps. Headed interesting draft I. Think they did pretty good Some needs some holes. Ozzy MCI Becton. Given them a new of the tackle the play with to protect. Their quarterback Sam Darnold. bringing in a wide receiver which they lost one or two hours over the last couple of years, and didn't know men's I'm bringing in some edge rushers, bringing some savings and other bags I think that's pretty good and a quarterback in the fourth round, which is interesting and this is what I'm saying with the Patriots it's interesting that even seem like the jet steps at a quarterback. You know when they have somebody that they drafted high ally. James Morgan I think he's a pretty solid quarterback. Fan Wine that you know. I really feel like if given an opportunity. Can! Be a quality player. Hopefully he doesn't have to move to receive word that I would hate that yeah. I questioned all the teams that pass in great at scouting report would have said in kind of wish I'm Scott Report. But the jets definitely d once a year. So they they weren't like Jerry Judy Henry rugs and see he lamb now is still available when they had number eleven. A. I believe it correctly Barack, but wasn't a MCI, not really like in the top twenty for. Projected. Protect draft boards. So. Tackle. Were one. Rick run to four one to five. You had back then you add Thomas had where? And you had. Said of the young man's name. wills yes. So. A lot of people had. Worse first. And then we'll and then Thomas and. Some people had becton favored and they had Comments last. So. You ask, can you yeah, it depends on who you're asking. Who has what rank? I don't think it honestly I? Don't think it matters I think becton gives the jets at a big physical tackle. You know somebody that they. They can build on I. Guess. That's all you can really say That can down. impossibly took CD lamb duty. I think I think they would have got some. Exciting I think. Jet Fans would have been excited about a wide receiver. But Protecting, darnold is, is that need to see a little over later me? What New York wanted to trapped in one the quarterback. You can't be mad at him. You just can't teach that. That's what you did there. It was agreed that the pro football pfm. PF. Gave Them. A B. Plus and Honestly, you gotta keep him our PF. They're going based on the ranking to the player if they were a steal. Their likelihood possibly get playing time and what the team needed and to me it a B plus it's pretty salad. I mean it feels some of their needs, but as you said, maybe getting a wide receiver in the first round and coming back and drafting. Maybe two six or seven tackle would have still been sufficient. Es I'M GONNA give. THEM A B minus because I felt like they've they're real issue was they had target stupidly throw to add? They lost Robbie. Edison you off season. Which did right? In me, you bring in. Don't get me wrong. You know they they bring in. Former buccaneer wide receiver. Slipped my mind. Just. Let my mind. Fees the Bucks Fan but Once you leave though I mean that's it. but they. They signed a wide receiver this off season of course run the bug. And Bouchard paramedics. They still have quincy noon Monday still have crowd area. They have a few of the players who are still good pieces I think if the jets were taking a CD, land or Jerry Judy and it just made New York. Buzz a little bit like. An, we got this great receiver to play with, and then they came back and got attack on the second round. Oh my goodness so excited. I just can't hide it. Hide? So I think ultimately that would be it if it was me, you know I was a jet. Fan I think that's what I would be upset. I would pretty much be upset that they didn't really. Address that. Office need because pair can only do, but so much exactly. But with that we're, GONNA be right. With the next set of grades. And we're back. Folks going to now talk about the NFC east dock. The cowboys. Running to so many analysts. Are Now Super Bowl kitten. Because the people they drafted. Primarily in the first two rounds. Say Dead Now on paper. They have the most out team in the lack. This is exactly what I've been hearing out here. Integration in Texas. And I felt like I lost my eyebrows. They had a pick in every round, except for six had to four round picks They did pick up a wide receiver. CD Lehman Oklahoma first. Round. They also picked up going back. Trevan Digs Alabama, quarterback of and second round. So. Let me. Tell you something me Jane. Tell me. So. When. Jerry Jones with sitting there on his yacht. which was apparently the biggest like feel like an m going to say like the draft grade extra points because the thing s just my big. Bay. Time, he's sitting there on a yacht and. says. Wait a minute. I mean. Look at this. Jerry! Junior Julia. Oh, they're gone on CD. WHO's picking next? Who's picking behind us? The Eagles. Do! We want to be a couple of eighth. All who. Yes CD Land? Just so that we don't have to play against them. Yeah which smuggles then it's. Those knew exactly why they did it. And it's really good, too because. If Amari gets hurt. Yeah, CD lamb. Also, have other receivers that they had and you know the thing about it was. Originally Jimmy doesn't the. Know Amari Cooper. You know he's. House. It's his freshman. I can't do it. Kid you know who the fresh albadou! Fellow, I have no idea Michael Irving. Dad Michael Earth. He get Mario Cooper is just like A. Out There H. Food, he. Killed Your Mum. Oh my God. But. They really really need a second like. Secondary Help so? And You know during the draft. They're like Oh you know. Maybe the cowboys are not take a safety. They really need safety up. Or maybe they need to go out and see you know what. The jets are. GonNa do what Jamal Adams. You know they might need to see where certain teams ago with their safeties and you know. They drafted two corners, which makes sense in this draft but I think. I think people beyond thirteen. Where like sitting there and relied on my like? This dream are the players are just falling our laps. And the cowboys were winning those dangerous like the San Francisco not as easily took CD lamb. Yes, with may easily GONNA. Tuck them, you know. It would have been over. They law they you know. They lost receivers bringing in. The Bucks, obviously whatever but the cowboys are sitting here a couple of slots later at seventeen now like we think about the people behind us. We gotta think. About our future. May draft CD Land Bridge GonNA DRAFT TREVAN DIGS. Yeah. Well pro football focus gave them an a plus. I'm going to give them a B.. I don't think I will be addressed in the east. Interest Interested needs at all? I mean they got good players, but I don't think needs. I met stinks. That's a couple of hates. Yeah, like I felt like this is more ego stroking than to win the Super Bowl but that's just me and I feel. Like like other people were trying to win. Other people were trying to get better. Yes. And I feel like they did that. But extinct? Is, a New York Xiuyin who? Giants fans were not happy. We had quick glimpse of October. It was not. Do, much Joy. Wjm were neck even close. To being happy. Honey. When Andrew Thomas was drafted with the divorce, overall he. I got a text message that said. We're idiot. Well I. Hold you guys. I told them I said I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted a tackle number one. There were reports that were out saying that they might a quarterback that was that was number one. Number two. They wanted Simmons. So bad, it was like. Wild like they really really wanted as asked. Him is a linebacker as like. This guy said he can play by positions. We weren't him. Let Andrew Thomas Oh. Don't care about this. We don't care about how. Out. Quickly into their reaction was. The giant selects tackle Andrew Thomas from Georgia. Who Andrew Thomas. Named flip it, sucks. They were so mad. It was it was really ridiculous FM. I I mean it's thanks again now. He really has to live up to this exit. That really does. More than he's in the New York market. It's like times twenty. God. We'll see what happens, but later they come back. They draft exe- mckinney. they come and get another office alarming and then you know. A Corner Office Lyman, and then they go straight defense just to appease. To appease everybody that wanted Simmons. On several backers. To try to make up for his production. Yeah, so pro football focus gave the giants graft rate of A. Giants fans probably gave them deaton probably redeem I'd be. I'd. Be Plus I'm practically give him a B plus as well. I thought I got Andrew Down. This is good. I I thought it was I. Mean I knew that they were to enter. Also why they didn't WanNa, believe me. You know and I think he will get kind of. Caught up with. The. They want not only hide who they want rather than what the team needs. And if I o defense, I really stunk and I'm like. Yeah, but you really really got a pet. quarterback. Unless they're up on Daniel Gentleman's. You really really got to protect your quarterback. and. I'm glad I'm glad they did it. Blended? With the next team here we have the. Philadelphia Eagles. Don't team. That was once upon a time hated on up. You picks before when they didn't get a chance to draft a guy that. Oh my God. We really wanted CD lamb. No, we didn't see. A one in Jalen Reagan. From, TCU. How do you think when you think about? I like the draft. I, like it more than people would. Give credit to. Despite the fact that they missed out on a CD lamb but. I like their draft They did pick up quarterback. Which will address their backup issue? It's so funny because we talk about designer team. And all the speculation. Around that not one. Looking at this. And at potential reality decade happen, jalen hurts quarterback local used to play for the. Crimson tide. Jackson the second round I really like this pickup. No it's awesome I really really do. They made a mockery of saying you know you got jalen hurts, and then you got starting quarterback. WHO's always hurt? Have Way too much time and now. Well. We knew how to. Did pick up a few mark receivers. We did see some of their receivers unknown people last year. You know playing really good, so I kinda like that. They've actually addressed all the issues that they had. Right and I will say this, and this is the reason why I would agree with that in this the reason why I'm going to give them an A.. Number One. After to. Actually they drafted. Excuse me. They needed. Tackle. Help because as you know to. Tackles got hurt last season than any other tackle as a I think a mental illness of some sort psychological. He's got claws, so I think depression or something so you get to act was to fill in two guys from Auburn which is pretty crazy that they they got to Auburn tackles which school. He couldn't get some linebackers and a corner which they need cornerback help. A linebacker help. Addressing off all of bear meat. They WANNA jalen regular. They got him from TCU. jalen hurts pretty quarterback. You know I think. He'll be there. I don't WanNa say if. But when Carson Wentz goes down. Bowl prediction right now. West Nebraska Wilson. Sandwich right now. Folks, but you look at the new. Starting quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles Fan. Allow. You heard it from me I. You're right I. Get it. I can understand why you play this. Agree with you. I'M GONNA GIVE THEM A. Principal Focus gave him a midas. I feel like they got the minus due to them missing out on. Him But I think so far like this is out of this whole division. This is the one team that address all their issues. True true it's absolutely true. It's is down. and I just think that. I'm this season I really hope we see guests. I really do. It's GONNA be. It's GONNA be interesting. Teams are jockeying for position and. It's GonNa. Be too sweet as rex correct. Is GonNA too sweet. But? We have some other. You give me a finger. We got one more teen. Oh. Yeah, that's right there. Oh. God, I'm so sorry Washington. How could I get about your? Good okay, he was he was. So The Washington Redskins who have the number two. To Chase Young There was speculation more back Yele Shen. That the redskins. Would trade and number two pick. For whatever. I mean huge did at the Houston Texas. I in fact I think the only. Can you only do about the redskins that I would have entertained is. To move back to I think it was like sixteen or something to where the Jaguars were wherever the Jaguars I think it might have been eleven actually moved back with the Jaguars. Antique. Linen for that. That probably even the only state. Took maybe. Jack was had a benign. Number nine probably would like that because the pickup. Leonard Fournette in this division would have been pretty sweet. But. I think they did Goodbye Sam. So. What do you think about the rest of their picks? You feel like they've addressed all issues. Well. Here's the problem and I know that. Will just go and say this. focus gave the. Right if I was GONNA, say pro football focus gave them a B. which. I understand why they gave the. The thing about this is that this is? Obviously a first draft you know for the new head coach. You know you can't just you know obviously can't feel all the needs. You know in in went. So! I think. He did what he could while you had, and he's GonNa. Rebuild slowly, but surely. In really truly doesn't know what he has. You know until you really get out there and you. You pretty much see what they can do. You know honestly. I got a question and this is going to show my great. Who is the first round pick for the redskins? And while his first name again. and. What's the letter that starts his first thing? And that's the great again, folks. Game with Ito's. Because we got to see what else is going to happen. Again. Chase Young Hick. And Gibson's okay, yes. Okay I mean. The running backs all went in the second round. So it's Kinda hard to say who's the number? One Redman bag went in the first round. The second third round some in. it's Kinda hard to say news better than fool. I don't know I. Don't even give them a say because I don't know I. Don't know I don't know what. And I might give him a C, plus just because I. Don't know what's going to happen. There still is receiving core. Is still an issue. The only one. It's kind of tough I. I don't know. Who? I don't know who their quarterback is first and foremost. I mean, is it? They brought in a veteran. The Still Got Alex Smith somewhere down there. Between Askins. Down see what happens. I don't know. I can't. I can't. I can't. Get Definitely Elsie plus. You know what I'm okay with that I'm going to give him a b that I like chase young and they didn't. They didn't make. Poetry, No. There wasn't any poor choices, but we just don't know what's going to happen. Going forward and I felt like giving them to high, a gray is disrespectful to other teams that we will give low agrees to. True. Very true and again lie have to agree with that. so next. We're GONNA take a break finally. We're GONNA come back with our next. Division. You're listening to debate amongst friends on anchor. FM Ankara stem is a free and easy to use platform where you can record. Edit and post your show right from your phone or computer, and it'll be automatically distributed to platforms such as apple podcasts as season podcast personalities, we found Anchorage 'em to be user friendly and resourceful, allowing us to create great shows and sound bites on the go. Last but not least Anchor FM gives you an opportunity to monetize your podcast as they link with potential sponsors, and you can potentially start making money by recording advertisements just like this. kick-starts your podcasting journey today with anchor. S M. by visiting their website at www dot anchor dot FM. And we look forward to hearing your podcast. And what back leads a gentleman? Sorry doc is here right now. Fortunately, we had to trade him for Pakistan's. We're talking the Houston Texans sorry. Why. AM I. Give Them. Do Their Grades Data. Just keeping on. I mean because they really. So. They I mean they didn't have any first round peaks. They didn't have anything in the six or seven. They treated. How do you trade? The best receiver. And FOOTBA and not have a first round peg. Tiny's knew that Brian most brilliant mind in modern day football. Folks folks are not being serious his sarcasm. I just want you to know that. He's an idiot. Freedom. Going to be. Me But PF gave them a c plus somehow. Seed minus. I don't even I. don't even want to know I don't know I. Just see minded. Keep moving. Keep moving when moon on Indianapolis. So. Do you mean Ebola's? Calls. Traded away their first round pick to San Francisco to get divorced. BUCKNER which links? To dollar. Amount to around pick. To hang around picks. They drafted Roberts Michael Pittman Junior who eight pick. In Jonathan Taylor. I was surprised with the Johnson Johnson Taylor. Es. I think they had a a nice little stable. A running backs I, didn't think saving. Write A. Check. Back. But. I think. Maybe they wanted a one two punch because marlins got hurt last year, and it hurt them, even though when I needed them to run while a they didn't. self-fulfilling salty there, Sir Yeah, I won't let it would interview with agreed that I give them I'm going to give them a beep less. Pro Football Focus gave him a be. Out Reproachable focused. It's be. You mentioned the Bulak injury last year. Which definitely impede him? Day? Are DOBRYNIN! Yes fill rivers. Opposite drew rivers to something like that. And then? The only thing I can think his old man river's. The next team the Jacksonville Jaguars V.. I'm first round picks. They had in the third three four pts, two fists, two, six, seven and fries with that. Nancy really did a good job. I'm going to start with giving them an A.. I, thought they really really. Good twins up to address their needs like yes. They got a really good quarter first round. Definitely with. Hold on. Got A winner in the first round. I'm going to bring that down to A. Minus. We got controversy. Folks here we go. The. Felt like. That was hard to see and we just talked about Andrew Thomas. High Stat was high. See Jan nothing that the march after we did last week. Has the innocent in the twenties. Yes, Hemi, draft him number nine floor. The corners typically are okay. Hey, as we know Tampa, had won the last two years ago or three years ago. We just let them go last year. hopefully this gets better. Eight minus for taking them so high, not that they could've traded backers up prefer. Anderson Tech and understand that I. Think I like it because he was the second best quarter of Mars corners, so they got the best available for that particular position anticipate got rid of Jalen. Ramsey ed AJ. They definitely need some corner play. But I McKay given emanate. I understand why you give a minus at had has to rethink about it. But I mean again I mean this folks just wait and see mentality here? will be no. He could be the next lockdown quarter in do will it or he could turn out to a above knows. Right, hopefully, the former. Dock. What's the next team? The Duke, Tennessee Titan. Aware also one game away from going to the big show. For that we're not talking buses Zadie. We're talking about the Super Bowl. We are talking about this to go and. Get okay. I mean. I'll be looking at the pigs. I would at least give them in A. Wilson again. Teams that could have waited to take an. I'm in. Later on. In the first round or early around I wasn't in the salad. Tackle out of Georgia and sometimes you know. Could be. The best tackle out of all of them, and you just never know. You know if you guys and the systems that they play in. A match where things the Patriots really play. Play it well because they draft so well, and then he develops a well. but I do like Christian Fulton out of Lsu. I thought he was pretty good and then you know they did address obviously wrong back. Potential mean you never know in the third row. With the pending? Contract issues that could be a standing there waiting for them when the season starts. But I would give this. Give this. Close. People's fair. I'll maybe I. think anything. I mean. Derek Evans's frothy, not GonNa get as meaning people. But something tells me that they were believe that. If Henry could do it. was. The Aussie. US hopefully dirt. They don't do anything Stephen like. but of course for football focus games plus. But I'll get. Use Good. Abuse. Religion So. We are GONNA. Take a quick. Break. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA, be back Magri. Thatcher. And we're back folks. It takes a lot to make back happy, but. We talk about his team's draft that hoople smile on his face. Not, what the NFC South! Are you excited? I am very excited. I thought all teams. Maybe with the exception of one. I. Had IT pretty solid drafts? I mean just looking at it. I probably would have greeted three out of the or with a as so far just thinking about it. Let's see what happens when we go over this. Absolutely, we're going to start off with the Carolina Panthers. They had a one first round pick. Two second round picks though third, fourth, fifth, a six and a seven. Operated a great job. Addressing that Defense Alive. Derrick Brown in the first round. Great pig, surprising pick. Ping the list Tina Gross Mottos Great Hick. Guy, who failed? evily. Fan We both said that he probably should have been a first rounder like the F.. hours pretty sure he was getting drafted by the Patriots. But did not happen which things happen like that so? I'm going to give them. In a the corner to junior for Notre Dame was good. Gave them a B.. B. Plus. I'm I. Mean Again I, think going. Based on, and this is different from Washington. Did you know what we said? We didn't watch doing? And you can clearly see what rule is doing and Carolina. You know you said you know what we need to improve his defense. Straight into. And I. DON'T BLAME HIM. I don't blame either. You know what? You know what time it is. The A baby. I thought. They drafted with. Skill. And precision! Rating up one slot with before nine as person. Or training somebody else who needed a tackle in into wells I. Never in a million years thought that it would be interesting. Who was there? At thirteen out of what it would have been baked in or one of the guys. I've always wanted. In Iowa offense ally but but but wait. Because you had the reeds of fun that night and you texted me. I got it I'm reading right now. You said then, if he real good, we can get tristen worse. You know what the way things are going. It might happen. I can detect you like my God, Pick ten. Eleven. You had rob. Becton Eleven. And I'm sitting there. I'm going. To take. Twelve Rats Arenas selection. that. I think when the raiders to the wide receiver that kind of solidified. That was like. Wait a minute. We really got a shabby Yup. But I think either way would have been fine just in the worst because he's big, I always wanted in Iowa or Wisconsin, lyman and I feel like they always escaped us on the. We finally got one souped. Became back in the Second Round Got Antoine Winfield junior out of Minnesota Safety. Who of course is the son of former NFL Safety Antoine Winfield senior I like Sean Vaughan Had A. Chance to his film. Real steel acting came in the fifth and six but Tyler Johnson. WHO BROKE EVERY RECORD AT MINNESOTA? A Wide Receiver I? Thought that was a huge deal. And Khalil Davis who was the fast who ran the fastest combine fastest forty time I believe it was for a guy. His size I'm extremely excited to see what he can do on. It seemed like he was able to move around the place. You know I gave this A. Contact Group through pro football focus gave them eight minus but it. I'm just excited to see what happens. I am to of course the buccaneers got to be must see TV heading into this next season so. They're actually going to be on TV. Though of course, they are because. You can take the media for that right. Again because I'm GonNa, let you dudek. See, don't do it so next. We have the Atlanta Falcons and I guess I'm GonNa take back. Actually no I'm GONNA I'm. GonNa stay with three out of four day I think about this as evidence for what they did. GETTING TOP CORNER! Improvement. What they really need it. Which was defensive help? They were screaming defensive. Help and I thought they did that already gave this and obviously. And I'M GONNA agree with you. I think they had A. Exceptional draft. I'm trying to understand why they would give. A full of focus would give the falcons the. But. I'm assuming they have some kind of analysis. That would circa vet them and give them the reason why. They got be but I think they got A. They really are trying to improve the team. While we'll save this and I know. My brother, he was actually. Saying. He was actually saying that he was surprised. That they drafted to rail in the first round because he was getting. Killed in the National Championship. So. I don't know that's kind of what he was going by, but you. I just said they believed in them. They thought he was the man and. Now look at. Look at them, but I thought this was the day. They gave him a b. last new things, and we had four graphics how I two thirds in seven. they drafted rather offensive Lineman's Caesar. Michigan. He is honor. He's about the. Of Zach von. I'm who was worthy of a beat less almost eight eight grade. But I mean airing. They have much to to work with, but I think they I think them. Getting bond was was really big. Everybody them getting Zach, onstage from getting like a C. Plus. For it got them into be. I can agree with that I can be with that, and that's the only reason I would said three out of the fourteen. Really got a grade because the saints actually knock himself out of contention by trading to get Ivonne, but I think one of the pretty player. Agreed. I'm pretty solid player. But. That is the NFC south. We're take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we are back leading ladies and gentlemen with the AFC west. I'll put these teams. They're pretty good, also Interesting this. Division actually some really really poor grains her. BURP. Broke the mice one team. In pretty bad, but let's go over and I didn't think that the charges that is bad, but they say drafted. Justin Herbert. Who? QUARTERBACK! You know they knew the quarterback. Aqua thank God, one of the better ones. I don't know why you know a lot of people hating on this move ultimately they still could go and take up. Cam Newton, or you know any the other veterans that are out there. Obviously they would've had a chance to get James having waited. but in this situation they get. Back and getting Kenneth. Murray I mean. How is that not at least? A beep. I don't know I don't know. This might have been so kind of bias I have no clue. They're taking a lot of points off because of Herbert and how he didn't play up to. A! Certain standards against top competition. But. I mean. He has a great arm. He has good mind for the game. Maybe he wasn't motivated enough, but you know we'll wait and see what happens. Was He plays for the Los Angeles chargers? Allegri all a minus. The be mine if. I don't think. This is definitely a lot of bias. Let's see what happens with the next. You What! MELA biggest. Folks are not in Oakland anymore. They should be. Going to have to bring the jobs back. So they got flak. For taking in reruns that third overseas lamb and Jerry duty. A REAL AL DAVIS ESQ! Yes. You gotTA. Love it though you gotTa love that. They stick to their roots. They step to the game. They said this is what we are. Let's get back to it. Let's take the fastest person for one fast people in the draft. One of the more clear rap unders the draft. I. Don't know I mean I I thought. Honestly it would have been better off for them to say Jimmy. GonNa take. Somebody I'm going to say something and it's not classmates. Not Trying to say this at all at blackness. But. What I'm saying! What if? I had the potential to have elite route running. Like Larry Fitzgerald like A. Randy you know. Like a go. I mean it's possible. And I can understand why they wanted to take that opportunity to do so. But of course I mean Jerry Judy. CD Land there sexy ticks. Cow You're right. I think it. To me I, feel like. Judy was a really really explosive player. Out of the higher on s boards, but this whole draft green is predicated on the first thing, yes. I! Agree with that actually mean Damon Arnett is fine. I think Lynn voted was fine. I don't think. You know this. This draft was terrible I. Think it's just the fact that they selected energy they're. PUTTING TAPA position. To see more because they didn't pick the best why we see for billable according to their stats. And even or even the best player at the on on the board at that point, yes. That's in about the Henderson. Them. Yeah I think it'd be. A pretty fair be. Addressed areas that they definitely need approving and yeah. I think Henry Roads proves to be a player that they expect and. It won't even matter. Marker. and. He'll be a dallas cowboy in no time. But I move onto the next T-. WE HAVE THE DENVER broncos. WHO DID SELECT JERRY? Job and then came back and selected Jay handler. You know so. They went back to bed wide receiver to give. Their young quarterback some weapons. been a long remove since they've had the likes of you know decker and See. You Mary Thomas Ya. It's a little while, so I mean it's good that they have an awesome. Fantasy draft that year win peanut record. And not. receive except for me and I'm like. Are you serious? Sometimes, but we believe do. We believe in your ability, so dacas gave him an a plus. For to pace I again. I think that given it based on the first takes and been the team in the me. I said I really liked what they did here and. I, think that that's a pretty pretty way to start the off season there or read the draft getting two receivers to make sure that you're young. quarterback has an opportunity. To grow. Your. We'd go there. I'LL GIVE THEM A. I'd like a pluses like. Way Too high. Pat Himself on in the back like Barry Horowitz because. Me No I'm. Didn't do it either. But other than that we had the final team became the city chiefs. WHO. Took some of? A lot of teams top running back favorite running back, Clyde Edward Soleil. You think if anything was going to seal the deal and give them an a grade. It be the fact they. The rich richer, you know Get a salamone bag to pair with running back stability have. and. I think this is a pretty good. Yeah and I also not mad. They got Willie Gate Junior for Mississippi state in the second round, neither that at all not at all, and they feel some other needs. I probably have this A. B. Plus because they didn't have a lot of picks but they definitely feel any I actually. Pluses focus. Get in the be mice. Shannon Appropriate Buffalo. And all of the work that they do and Yeah. We'll be right back after this show. and. We're back. We're going to cover the NFC west. Dock the Arizona cardinals. Fixed. A gotten the broken dreams of the New York football giants with their pick. Isaiah Simmons. joined, shattered their dreams. that. I can't say on the air. In the first round, pick a simmons third, two, four, six, seven appropriately focused, gave them a a plus. I think they definitely did a good job. Addressing issues that they have. A mainly the defense, Assad. Give Mary as well I think they did a good job. Staying put I mean not have a second round pick. And come away with Josh. Was Up there like Josh Joan was like. First, round town. So, the fact that he is in the third. And get a tackle which they probably wanted to take in the beginning. When they probably WANNA take attack on the first round, but with Isaiah Simmons being there, thank you. So I'm pretty happy. I think that's good. Berth for the cardinals. I agree. Next week half the lost Angeles Rams. They didn't have a I. Of course, they did away with the genome Ramsey trade. It's a camakers which. I think because it's really good. Especially after obviously they parted ways with Todd Gurley I can't make this nice running back from Florida state, Tom. They come back and get you know why receiver from Florida and they fill up some defensive needs thereafter. Because it needs. Yeah, I would say that they did a pretty good job. With their draft as well. Pro, football focus gave them a C dot. What grade would you give to stick? Give Him, a B. Plus. I'll to be. This go back to their blatancy Talented Did a pretty good job. I think they do a good job. Yeah ex- we. Have the Seattle Seahawks They had a first round pick second third to four fifth, a six and a seven. So they got a lot of flack. For selecting John Brooks in the first round, a lot of flack. So I'm interested in would pf gained on the embassy, minus that that does along with the flat that they've got particularly Muslim. even though. You know. We didn't have him in. Our. Any. Apparently, you he was. Someone that the coach you just happened to love and. I don't know why. I don't know trying to build the Legion of boom to point out. In a situation, you would trade back like somebody like that. You can trade back and it'd be all good. Tree back. Out of there. Out of their. Bridges out. I mean there's other teams I say. What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? What are you learning? But? Yeah, I thought they could awaited. Down on some of this piece, yeah! Gra I'll get messy. Nearby Bussey is welcome to see. So far the lowest grade that we gave. Except for no I gave the team at the. U. S. pretty harsh on the national our. San Francisco Forty niners who I thought had a pretty good draft. I thought their movement. Was Pretty Good I'm actually GONNA. Give them a a minus. Thought? Actually I take that back. I'm going to give them a be okay. And the reason I say that Bad An opportunity. I'd never fourteen. thirteen also YEP to. Jerry Judy. OR CD LAMB! Who Don't you around Brandon? I'm sure he's a great player. but I think. Pairing Seem lamb or Jerry. Judy with the guys that they had like Deebo Sammy. I thought that would have been really good. I liked devante law I was actually talking to a forty niners fan. During this trap and he said Oh. My God. We're about to get CD LAMB guy. He had the same feeling. That I had. About worse. And House. Let's see what happens and when they said Giovane kin law I, feel the social leave the media. It was pretty Israel. Sad I was just like. So I guess I'm going to go back to my TV now. Yeah I think I'll give a be for tell give them a be just for securing another pick in the draft from Tampa. and I think they did it again later on Sunday. They were able to really make some moves. I thought they did pretty good. But. They really should attracted. Exceed. I hopefully they don't lift her, but they also traded. freaky in A wide receiver during draft, which was pretty rough Alcott? That was pretty good. We also heard that. Joe staley retired, so that'd be another reason poppy why they gotta be instead of an a because they really should have just. Drafted worse at that particular spot and called day. But again lots of kind of wait and see what happens. Is This A. Bad decision in a position will have to wait and see. Strip. Back Give Them A. B for Movement. And with that, folks will have more draft coverage right after this. Coma. And we're back, Ladies and gentlemen. The AFC North here where the Cincinnati bengals had the number one overall pick, and we knew for quite some time now they were going to select US show borough. We didn't know. Is that in the second round there come back. Get a another harvard another weapon for him and t idiots autographs. Yeah. They had an excellent draft I think out of all the drafts known of course dot negative seven. I said they had the most complete draft and it's. Highly surprising, but up dangles to have such a good track. Who Knew and get rid of a certain coach to to have a? Yes I optimistically surprised I am Jack Standing Surprise, right now. It looks good. I think they did a good job. The first three rounds getting some really really good players in the last before getting to really good quality, role players I like Logan Wilson. linebackers same as Wisconsin linebackers also getting an edge rusher from Notre Dame. It's pretty sweet. L. Pretty good what they did and I agree with the eighth, grade. But A. Yeah, Albuquerque A. Yeah. I mean obviously jump era. It's going to be there. Are? Right now. Because, we felt like the bengals terrorists because again. Lobbyist people called. You know the they. Thin trading and Had to give up. World. I mean the world to get that number one pick. It would have been on par with like. Actually. Yes. Next we have the. Dig Disappointment of the year. Next to the cowboys. The Cleveland Browns. I. Think the kids we gave them. We gave them credit for hope. I think because we as the amongst friends actually listened to the media. Yeah. I think that's what it was. You know not only the media, but you also had the new madden enthusiast. Who you know, Oh my God. You know this is great teeing. They've got all these weapons all. They're to break the game. They're gonNA, break lead, and then they came out and fell flat on their faces. Slant, nifty send. Someone stepped on her head. Sculptor back interfaces potato. But. I think an a plus grade pretty solid here. I like wills. I like Dell. Getting down, if in people's Jones in six round, there's also that's why those steals. you know I think? A lot of these players are really really solid. I really good job. I'll I'LL SIT A. Really with their problem was just. Discipline was really what the main issue. They got too big data breaches bridges listen to the media just like I, said you know. Karma happened, so let's you. Indeed Agree with the A plus and Hopefully, they do better this season. The Pittsburgh, steelers I felt they would require me to. They didn't have the first round pick obviously treated that to the dolphins for making dispatching though I mean the trade there. They kept it pretty quiet. They didn't do anything to flash eating WHO CRAZY I like? The. Antoine Rooks. Out of Maryland I think he's a pretty good safety in the six round and I think that's actually a steal because. A lot of people had him on the third of around. I like the fact they address their running back. Obviously Maryland was school choice. But you know they had to go out there and make some moves and obviously chased play pool at Notre Dame. They needed wide receiver health after losing quite a few receivers, and to give you some help so. I kind of agree with? BE MINUS a extent. I probably would give it a B plus. If I had to choose. Between B. and B. But I'll sit. I'll give them your some a curb it gives me be. A curfew. I. Don't blame me having that I think it's. A good, that's good. demagogery agreed. And finally we have the Baltimore Ravens. who had a first round a second round pick. Four third round picks. A. DICK'S A fifth sixth seventh. Some surprised and dismayed I actually think this is at least. In a minus or an a getting Patrick Lean Jiechi Dobbins. Yes. and Me Harrison alone was enough to. Get a minus an my book. So, I'm not sure will your time I'm I think this is a good deal? Yeah, I've seen. The seahawks had taken Patrick Queen. I think nobody would be talking about them, but they didn't so. This is what it is. I really like it I think Dobbins will be a great accompaniment inside that running back corps. Foot Baltimore? I WANNA to say football focus probably started getting tired around the stage of ready. As ALIBABA. And is like Skim Abi. Yeah I I'm going to stick with a mindless I. Think Dave. The other teams that was really really good. Last year just got better. True I mean again one game two games away to make people you know and. You got to keep pushing forward I. Think Getting Jacob Dobbins a pretty good i. mean obviously you know they're running back is getting a little older. Can't carry the load anymore? I picked him getting Donaldson so pretty. I will, agree. But. that. Is. Something that will have to keep an eye out on. Moving forward and I will actually be right back with more Jaffrey's. Era Back folks. We're going to get into discussing the draft grades up NFC NEAR-EARTH DOC. Do you have the heart of a tiger, or are you lying heart because either way the sleigh this up because Detroit lions had interesting draft the first round draft pick. Khuda from from. Wage. was. Pretty much expected. You know Kinda flaunting around like the first five picks for the most part. They have second round. Pick that got to third round picks a four to six a six seven it looks like they're really trying to get that. Relying core US little by little bit further, which very happy to see about that. The they picked up a pretty good of running back in the Andrea Swift Interesting to see that, so I'm GonNa see he's going to be. Me Not Berry but I mean he would be pretty good decent starter I mean he might be a pretty good to running back. We'll have to wait. The Focused? Get Him A. Doc We think. I would. I don't want to do this. If. This is a really interact. They really begin I four four, five six. And beyond that I think they really really good. Only reason I would duct points maybe. Take us. DOWN TO A B minus. Not draft a quarterback. And I really really believe that they you were saying. That to. Start over I would move on from Stafford. I really would that. If it was me I would move on from Stanford and I I would start a new regime I gotta go David. Blow you go David Blow? that she had to get a new running back. New quarterback in there. You gotTA. Do quarterback you know I. Mean That's another spyware. Hey, maybe they say you know it will trade 'em and. I understand why you're going with that. We had a chance to have a discussion with him. We had more discussions about sports in life and medicine with heading to people year Agree with them. I still feel like a lot of the issues was base of what the front. Office placed as weapons for the Stafford. The, also be just the same things happen over again. It can stay healthy it. He couldn't stay because they. gave him so crappy lineman. I, don't know I. I am brand. I think. He had pretty solid Brennan bags. They they might not have been you know. The the top, honestly when you look at some of the guys that they had some pretty solid. There's some pretty solid rec- resign really really just stay healthy. That's. been dateable on I think. That he's had enough and enough is enough, and it's time for a change of speaking a change to go to the next team. It's Di Bayer. Two seconds to fifths of three fifths two sets. I mean. I think they did enough to get a BI. Guess the top tied in a draft and the second round is pretty cool. You feel your knees, which was mostly Defense I mean. Yeah. I agree with the the. Be Mining, they'd be plus. That gave them a B.. Plus you get them. Be Not be my acerbity. They'll be. I'M GONNA GO BE MINUS. I, WANNA see plus but I'll be. I don't blame you at all. But Moving Austin Minnesota Vikings who had a ton of. Hope of draft picks. There's no way that they couldn't get A. Because they had I. mean every need to be had field, and then some often the line, and even the secondary. Why receivers? They've done it all. They feel their needs. I'm interested to see how many of these guys actually get a chance to. This is a lot of good solid players. Actually started with just in Jefferson who they really needed to replace. The big, so that alone was enough to get there. And then. I'll agree. I'LL GIVE THEM A. I feel like the a is more because they have. Some pixels really Harvard to go. Right. I felt like if we was to take it as a smaller sample size, it might be like be. Maybe mean plus but I'm okay with the. I feel like quantity overtook quality minus jacket Brian the Justin Jackson pick, but that's just like. Moving very true. On to the last team in the division, the team who are the great controversy of the weekend. The J.. Electing Jordan love. Utah State with the first. Pick a bit I mean the first round I. Don't WanNa. Say I with twenty six big in the first round. Froth. He ple went. and. I really like this pick. I do. I feel like people are only using these storyline of. Looks like the packers are looking to get away from Rogers. Ridership be upset about this house. Iran Rob Zombie pissed. I really lake the pick. There's no way they would have got him in the next round. and. I don't believe him and I said that I don't think you know this. is where you can play around with like. This is the guy that you want this data to have to get. and. Who knows you know? Maybe just plays another two years calls a witch, or you know, or they or two years starts falling off a little bit. He can't. Sling the football like he, he does now. And I'm looking at like this folks. You know no one's GonNa say it like this. I like outside the box. What happened to include? True. That's true. Tom Brady left book but I mean. What are you leaving us with Tom? Brady was like you get. You get. Nothing. So. That's really like to stick. pro football focus gave them a D.. I think that's harsh because they actually build some families. They got a lot of offense alignment, which is pretty Swedish. They fulfil some decent to got AJ DYLAN FROM BOSTON. College is a pretty solid running back. So that can create a good one two punch. Yeah, I, think the pick the offensive lineman picks. Jordan love again. You'RE NOT GONNA. Get Him if you wait. So. I'm going to give them a beep. So at this point in their article. I felt like someone told them that. There's an ice cream social happening. They've really really need to get to the cafeteria to eat. During. Be I think it was still pretty solid what they picked up. Feel like this heavily towards that controversy as you mentioned. Deep. b. m. that hundred essential for. I think it's just the fact that you know. They wanted to ride that wave of the media storm. saying that you know. The packers didn't give Aaron. Rodgers, any weapons, you know they were another team that were a game away from the Super Bowl and all ended with a weapon and the FAG maybe that they didn't draft any wide receivers. I guess it'd be an issue by issue. A lot of people don't believe that. means. A lot of people feel like they need you know big name with IRI. They think that the packers should ejected t lamp. which they didn't have any chance by the way. I think I thought. Scream out background at does. Yeah! but they got. They got from this offer. Lamin, I mean it's not. It's not as sexy draft, but now. If these guys turn out to be solid. That's three good schools Michigan Oregon in Indiana I think. I mean. 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Matt Minich's Bengals Chalk Talk - 2020 NFL Draft O-Line prospects with Matt Valdovinos

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Matt Minich's Bengals Chalk Talk - 2020 NFL Draft O-Line prospects with Matt Valdovinos

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But I know that fans are still out there. Screaming to make improvements on the office of line and my guest today. met Volvo Venus Is going to talk to us a little bit about some of the Office of Lament? The bengals might be able to get in the draft Matt. How're you doing today? I'm always doing good. I feel good. I'm excited talks the ball and talk about some big uglies. All right sounds good. So Matt You can find his work. He writes for Pro Football Network Also does a podcast with blue chips scouting The NFL podcast with blue chips scouting So we're just GONNA go ahead and skip As much as I like works in Beckton wills And really even Andrew. Thomas probably not going to be happening for the Bengals Every once in a while you see a mock draft for Andrew Thomas Slips but I gotTa Think. Somebody's grabbing him Before the end of the first round. So let's move into the second round and talk about often tackles So after that top four and that's been kind of a pretty big debate like who is. Ot Five in this draft class Who Do you think could be a good option for the Bengals in round two? I think it starts with really what you're looking for There are a couple of so the two that I think are the best fitting at five in six. Who I think are still a tier above the rest after that kind of you know a pseudo to your one would be Josh Jones at a Houston loosening at of TCU The only thing with those two is that Jones is a very natural left tackle. He played it for four years of Houston At Mobile in the senior week. He or at senior bowl he did move over the right tackle and a little bit of guard did not look very comfortable. You struggled a bit so if you're looking for a left tackle type of player judge probably if not if you know you're wanting to plug in that right. Tackle spot Luca's Neon who played right tackle most of his career at TCU. Who's really good and people forget Suffered a pretty bad hip injury this year and played through it so as tape into nineteen was not phenomenal but a statement two thousand eighteen was excellent and I think had he been fully healthy this year we would be talking about him as the first round pick as the best right tackle projected into the NFL. Now obviously worse and judge wills both played right tackle in their careers but the thought processes that they can comfortably plane either spot. But that's that's the two I would come right off the bat and is very depend on how they view Joe Williams Someone who is very high on who I think could be a quality In in pro left tackle in the NFL. So if they're looking to add At thirty-three you know his running mate in right tackle. I would say probably Lucas kneeing or they wanNA move Williams inside the guard. Maybe Josh Jones Phone. That left tackle spot. Yeah I mean I gotta think that as high as they drafted him You drafted him to be your left tackle. He's he's Zack. Taylor's first ever draft pick. I don't think you're not messing with that guy. At least giving him a shot you know maybe maybe in a year. You decided you can't do it but we haven't seen that guy at all really. That's what I think is GonNa Scare Bengals fans off of Yang As having gone through a year without Jona Williams You know making another pick like that thirty three this year It's pretty pretty nerve wracking. I don't know how much of a stomach bengals fans will have for for move like that in out Jones under you were down at the senior bowl and Jones is a guy who got a lot of attention down there In definitely getting a lot of positive feedback they're like is Prince Tegel when I go from from Auburn Who only been playing football for a couple of years actually was scouted by a basketball coach at a prep school. I came from came to the US to play basketball And now he's got a chance to the league. What are your thoughts on? Prince? So he's next up would be next on my list Right there Great Physical Abilities. You know he's long tall Five ish but he's still liens. He can put on a little bit of weight and will help him. He's a naturally physically gifted and it shows impact protection and his ability to keep himself between the defenders excellent I think a lot of people come to this debate whether he or Austin Jackson the. Us's better. I don't think it's close particularly I think. Btw is a head and shoulders better. And if you're looking for someone that that's going to be a left tackle Somewhere in that second round who I think personally has the ability now. Do I think you will reach it? I don't know but has the ability in the potential to be a franchise left tackle all pro level player and I think he's that yes definitely see some really really good flashes on Film You Messing Austin Jackson. An he kind of fits into the realm of guy that. I don't think it's film was great and a lot of people kind of talk about his potential. You know you see him. Thrust into that area because of what is physical gifts are similarly One of the late risers in this draft class as Cleveland Personally I I didn't like him very much on film But he tore up the NFL combine And now I'm hearing people talking about him as a valid option With the thirty third pick. I'm seeing him You know mocked in that type of area. What are your thoughts? On as Cleveland from Boise State. I'm honestly a thirty three. I don't think it would be the end of the Bengals have had worse. Second round picks within the past year In so you could definitely do worse than Israeli. Win I would probably lean towards a Prince Daniel no-go or you know a Josh Jones or loosening. How we talked but I think Cleveland what you get is. I think he's fundamentally more prepared than either Jones or goes physically. He's ability to anchor is a little bit stronger than either of those is and I think it's just because he's naturally larger now. There were some inconsistencies. A lack of a motor occasionally that. I saw Boise State. That did bother me but you get the physical ability. He reminds me of how Colin Miller was. You'd last year but I think he's better than Clinton Miller was coming out of UCLA now. I don't think he's upside is as high because Miller was legitimate. Like one percents But and people hated that pig. Miller was actually a solid contributor on the Oakland offense this past year so I do think you can absolutely do worse than Cleveland. Would I think maybe smart move with look to trade back maybe grab him but if he's your guy don't have a major issue with especially in the second round where? I'm okay with taking high upside players especially at positions of major needed major value. Tackle slattery tackle. That's a good point in cold. Mill is kind of the poster child for that. Didn't really have the film but had the metropoles and as panned out I think from a size standpoint. You could say the same thing by Orlando Brown and there was somebody thinking. Obviously he didn't test well But you know the massive size and somebody took him in and he's having success in the League as well So I mean there's definitely value to that and I and I think that I know you you play align I- i- coach sites. I tend to focus really hard on the film But a lot of times these these measurable do project In and you see at least guys who have really strong measurable have a very high floor. doing for the beginning just based on what they can do physically that was can't Now couple of other late risers. Guys that You know more likely in the mid rounds Matt Pert from Yukon Who Actually did like film? I think a lot of people more into him after the testing but I liked his film quite a bit And Ben Barch from Saint. John's in Minnesota You know he's a guy obviously Again you were at the senior bowl He he stood out there being a d. Three football player You know you've that you gotta stand out you gotTa go to a bowl game like that and do that and He's a guy that everybody all the reports I've heard say he. He belongs so What do you think about those to so both were actually at the senior bowl? I think Barch was better overall. Now that being said he did spend a lot of his time splitting between outside and inside. Personally I think probably how he fits a. He looked better on the interior to me if it has his Mahler mentality. He's very nasty very willing to to drive them into the ground but he did also measure very favorably I think he's best suited to play right tackle. I don't know that he's physically gifted enough to be able to protect the blindside consistently But right tack was important nonetheless. I really like his motorin. How in you can Kinda tell that. He's deeply prospect with the way he plays He's very hungry. He's very willing to do what needs to be done very nasty dirty. It's what I love offensive line so really really love barge but I think might prefer him as an interior offense. Lineman haven't decided yet but I think I would rather play on the interior or at the right tackle spot that I would have to left. Tackle pert is a little bit different. He's very tall. He's gotTa lean frame. My only issue is I like to steep but you can tell that he pleased at uconn. He's the coaching was not excellent. He's very. There's a lot of a lot of Rhonda's and he hasn't been very developed. I think he's best suited to be taken by team. Who may be has an older tackle already on the roster? Look at him in late in early round threes kind of where I would look to take him. Coach up the issues that he has and then teach him how to fix some of the things that he he some of his habits that he's already developed. Personally I think he can be a really good offensive tackle but for how long he is. I do have some worker. How tall he is. I do have some worries that he's not overly like he's not super super long and he's not he. He plays very high. So I do have concerns with that at Russia's will feast on you in the NFL if you give them your interior and they will drive you back quarterback every single time so he does have a long way to go before he's ready to play in the NFL opinion. But I do think once he gets developed and once he gets he has physical tools to equality NFL tackle. I think it'd be interesting to see how it works with. Some of these guys with the new. Cba believe requiring you to have one more often to lyman Active than than you did previously. And also. There's there's extra spots on the practice squad and I think that's GonNa be really good for off line development because as we know are you're not getting as much Drop Back Pass in college football as you do in the NFL even though the NFL's teams as well it's You know I think are are off line. Development is really really behind where it was years ago. So I think that's be a great spot For more of these guys to be able to catch on hang on a little bit longer and hopefully In a pause UM careers Yeah with Barch main not You know it's not unprecedented. A curse Elia market was from Hobart Division. Three school a few years ago when the second round to the buccaneers so for a d. Three guy to be able to rise up like that and come in and contribute you know. There's there's past you know there's a little bit there Most people private Saint John's Listened to his bengals. Fan May Saint. John's is a very good Very Good Division three program. Maybe maybe you contemplate Mount Union playoffs or something at some point but Former coach there was like the winningest coach in college. Football Jangle already and That is pretty Is that is that some random D three school? It's a pretty big pretty established program So move into the inside as as you know we may very well be doing with guys like Bartsch so On Day two. There's a chance the bengals could have really their pick of any interior linemen You know the top guys that you really hear about our Caesar Ruez and Lloyd cushenberry They seem to be the ones that are disgusted. And to the first round top of the second round type talent what Let's start with the Ras. Where where do you think he fits in the NFL and You know do you think he's a he's a good option at pick thirty three. Yeah I think either of those guys are good opposite picker eighty three and I think other than those two. There's nobody in the interior offense align worth there's around selection So I think it's very much those two pick whichever one you prefer more than just go from there. Don't don't try to push the need especially. Both of them are gone because I do think there's a major off between Christian Bury's the rest of the class With RUI IS A. He's a very he's physically gifted. He's big six foot four three hundred twenty pounds a very very strong very athletic for his size and his. It showed Michigan He is still. He's very young so he is a little especially compared to some of the guys like Lloyd cushenberry like Joe Jackson entirely who've been playing for so long I think he's a bit more project ceilings. The highest in the class for the position specifically at center and I think that's where both of these guys are best But I could ruin. He's in terms of his physical gifts. Make him the the highest ceiling. Ichiro fits lyman this class. 'cause number is a little bit different. He's still physically gifted but not so much as reading. When I think Kush does better is better. Technically I think his passage cleaner. I think his hands are a bit cleaner and it showed throughout the entirety of Lsu where you're playing in front of Joe. Boroughs moving around in the pocket constantly. Going silent the sideline in not being called for so many holds especially on the interior is a big thing and they were run the football effectively. I think both these guys are excellent. Run blockers I just think that Christopher is a little more developed at this stage in their careers navy's older but I do think res has higher upside in terms of physical gifts yet. I think on the LSU line there. There's some really talented guys. Civic Charles of tackle by I think a Damian Lewis and other interior linemen You know he was a guy that I in my rankings. I've got right up there with those top guys Where do you think of Louis Physician? Where where do you think is a good spot to to get him? A draft I looking for Damian Lewis probably in the early third round somewhere around there early to mid third round. I'm very very strong. Incredibly strong brick wall on the interior. I don't think he's overly athletic on his ability to move side to side. I kind of limits. Where or what kind of scheme he can be in I don't think you fit super wellness zone wide zone scheme getting out into space. But I do think. He excels in a power run. Put Him in front of a guy and asked him to move him. That's where Damian Lewis kind of kind of feast. He's not built to be pooled. He's not built to run much counters or anything like that It's a very gotta move forward. And that's why I think in a lot of the people in this class like that Agenda Jackson from Ohio State. Someone who I love is a lot like that Robert Hunt just like that need a moody. The class is very very strong very powerful. And it will it's gonNa Produce Mahler's but it's outside of releasing cushenberry. It's not very athletic. Nick Harris. Who's a good athlete for his position? But he's like two hundred ninety five pounds so sacrificing their yeah absolutely and the bengals definitely overall had an issue. They don't have a lot of anger in that group. Yeah so you know. Harris kind of fits writing with that now. Last year they went to more down scheme later in the year. And that's when they start to have success ought to do is look at Jo- mixon's numbers museum. Yeah and I think that's what I was getting links. It's best as well personally. Yeah absolutely yeah and and and so George. Jackson was not a guy was going to mention. But for from what you're saying. I think with with Lewis with Jackson. They might not be great. Fits for the bengals because The bengals are gonNA WANNA pull them. WanNa get him out in space and and you know we're better off going with a Ruez Aura. Cushenberry In the second round. That's a better fit yet. Another rb some options that you can take and you can take these. Some of them are going to be able to move. I'm not a huge fan of Matt. Hennessy just because I think he's a senator or bust. He's really really struggled at guard in mobile coming out of high school. He played either center or tackle. It was not. He would not play guard wherever he was going. Which was kind of insane to me until I was just. Kinda like that. A title. Who's played at? Wisconsin played a lot of power. A lot of Do of moving up to linebacker. But I do think he's athletic enough and he's experienced enough. He's played so much you're right. Yeah he was yeah he was hurt for most of the year. I had to nagging. Injuries was not great which upset me to see but he was still. I mean he's still someone who I think if you can get him at the beginning of the third round I think is an absolute robbery because I think he just. He's put so much good. Tepe on the field that I don't think you should knock him for having a bit of a down year another guy out of Limo. I think out of Oregon Quietly a really good prospect by is a good athlete as well he could be in that kind of get him out in space type scheme and I think that a little bit better than some of the guys who I have rated over him but just because if you're going for a specific scheme he fits that a little bit better. Yeah I'm going to be a a a scouting cliche. And instead of butchering name referred to him as the kid from Wisconsin. But I mean the best thing is he was a guy that everybody was talking about an all. The preseason listened even the the the list of the draft list that you were seeing in like November. 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I'm a big fan of And I haven't really seen too many people Is nearly as high as I am so interested to know how you feel about Daryl Williams from Mississippi State Daryl Williams like three years ago was viewed as a coming potentially like really really good prospect. So I always think it's really funny to see how a career arc kind of goes down in terms of draft stock because I think it was Richard Senior this year so then he would have been draft. He would have been eligible like two months ago. and I remember talking about him. I remember scouting then the issue I think people have is that he never really got much better than what he was. Which is understandable right? You're into your offensive line. Play if you get to a certain point you're not going to unless you're gonNA be a superstar. You're not going to get that much better than average to slightly above average blame. I like him. I think he's I mean I like the physical traits. I don't think he's an elite athlete. But I think he's good enough to to be scheme verse. Tom My only concern is. He is a little bit of eight in terms of how he plays. I do get pushed into the backfield now. Playing the SEC does mean that you're commonly playing guys like Darren Brown Marlon Davidson Gwyn Williams Ridwan Davis. Ms Just two teams right. Where there's so you're GONNA be playing a lot of talent. I think he's a guy who especially if you can get him in around five or six is the guy that you can. Because he's got some experience be able to plug and play him pretty early on in his career and while he may never be a top five garden the NFL. If he's a top fifteen right or left guard for the Birdie. This grids are really good. Leap David Yeah. I was felt like maybe this. Kinda back to the experience but when I see him I feel like you. See Him picking up blitzes. It seems to have a really good understanding the way he's coming off a double teams in Of a particular pass pro- So I mean I can't speak to be more experienced being a guy that go with with that so Yeah he he was gathered. The stuck out to me. Another guy I've I've heard him project and I think he actually. The senior bowl went to a guard. Played left tackle. Kansas Akeem out an edgy. Yes he's someone who? I'm a huge fan of more. People talked about him yes not he's not going to be ready to play guard year one in the NFL. He's to light and he got I think he's like three hundred. Was his playing weight right around there for the majority of the season. I'm not sure what he weighed in at the combine. But I could pull it quick. But he's his hands yet. He weighed in at three hundred pounds at the combine. You'RE GONNA want that if you're going to have him at guard you're going to want that to be up to like three ten minimum. Probably closer to three twenty. By the time he's had his actual plainly But his hands. He's a four year starter at Kansas is one of the most decorated players in like big twelve football history. It just happened that he played at Kansas so it doesn't matter. He's his hand real active. He's got excellent feed. He's got very high. Wariness is grateful accurate. He's really really good football player. He was very consisted on tape. The only major major issue is that his anchor is not great now in the big twelve. You can get away with that plane. Left tackle on having a bad anchor because you're playing against two hundred and thirty pound defensive ends half the time moving to guard in the NFL. It'll absolutely. They'll feast on right we if he gets drafted team like the bengals in. They're playing the steelers week one. You've got cameron heyward in front of you what you're GONNA do. So yeah. That's where the issue comes from. Now I do think that if he's if you sits learns you're too you can start to plug them in play him. He's athletic so he can play in that. That wide zone scheme get him into space. Have HIM PULL. That works in that he'll also have built himself up to be able to anchor. Better practicing against guys. Gino Atkins can only help. So that'll be really really good as well for him. I really really like him. My only concern is that. How high can you take a player? Who was a senior in college? Who's already old? It's not like he's not is not like he's raw. It's just that he's underdeveloped from a size perspective because he was never asked to put on weight in college. We've seen number two. So how high can you value player like that? I would take him relatively early. I would be more than willing to spend a fourth pick on him if I felt comfortable that after a year. I know that I could develop him. I could help him add weight. I can help him as a muscle and that he'll be ready to go after one year because I think he can be high quality starter. Yeah I'm with you on that. I think you see like you said in the zone game. He he's in great. Reach blocks on film I also thought again like Williams. I think he's he's really smart and pass protection You can see a lot of guys will a Lotta guys kick step and they got a good kick step but then they have trouble with the with the post when the guy trustworthy inside move and I felt like he was good transition. Kick step to post and being able to adjust to those sort of moves I actually I. I'm really I'm glad to talk to you about him because I you're always looking for bias when you're scouting like you're looking for your own bias and I washed my muscles. This guy's awesome. Why is nobody talking about? And then I realized his office a line coach. A guy named Luke Meadows and I I formerly worked for Luke. Meadows He was offered accord South Dakota coast when I was a graduate assistant there so I'm In my head I'm thinking okay. Do I like this guy. Because he was taught by the same guy I was. We'd like just consciously. I'm seeing everything I want to see. Because that's the guy that taught me off of line play so I'm glad to see you know somebody else On the I came out on the train with me. So I'm big Fan. Asked awesome so one guy who was Like like the Wisconsin Kid will say Was kind of big early but his kinda fallen off is Salman kindly from Georgia. Where do you think he fits into this? Why do you think He's he's fallen. I was never super super high on him. I think he's just a longtime starter at a blue. Bud Blueblood like Alabama players get the same thing right like a lot of people thought Lester cotton to be a top fifty pig. He got benched like three weeks into the ear If you played a lot of games at a big time program people are just GonNa automatically think you're good I think he's also very scheme dependent. He's very strong He plays a lot of power. Have Awesome Punch. They don't commonly see for guards But I don't think he's a great athlete. I don't think he's quick enough to deal with the smarter Twitter defensive tackles who will give you a lot of looks I also think he can at times especially against higher competition kept blowing right back into the now this unfair example because I think he was his best player in his class but Clinton Williams in the SEC. Championship game against kindly was was dominated. County couldn't touch them so there that is a concern but I do think that he's another guy that because he's played so much I think he's redshirt junior rates. He's played for like four years at Georgia. He fits into that. We can take him this late round. Use his band aid and worst case scenario. He's not it. We look for a new guard. Best case scenario. We haven't at minimum average guard that we got on day three that we can plug and play charity. Yeah it's a little confusing with him because you see him in like he looks like the biggest during the field and Drummer Jim. Yeah he's like three thirty five and But then yeah like his anchor isn't great debt. You do seem to push back in time so His tape is a little confusing Like you never never really sure what I'm GonNa WanNa see with them You mentioned lemieux from Oregon before Now lsu won the award for Best Office of Line but Oregon was was aligned. That got got a lot of talk. you know you've got Jake Hanson in there And Another person who probably just because he has a cool name but was very popular in mock drafts. Early in the process. Calvin Throckmorton What do you? What do you think about those guys? I know Throckmorton at least was down at the senior bowl as well You think any of those guys could be you know regular. Nfl Stars but the interior guys. Two LNU enhancing care I think that has the best bet to be taken early and be a very productive into your offense in the NFL. I think Hanson was good enough. I think he was consistent enough that I would be comfortable taking him in physics seventh around to me. He's either he's really really quality depth As like a sixth offensive lineman that could plug in any of the three interior spots and becomes through with him being a backup. But I think that you know he could potentially at best niche crude or be a solid quality consistent. Starting piece on my office declined by everything. He's GONNA approval. No but I do think that may be plugging him in already. Having other groups offense Lineman on my team he could be a producer with rock. It's a little bit different. He at the senior bowl played everywhere like they had him snapped. They hadn't reps garden hadn't take reps at tackle off the line with because of interest on the north. Yeah Yeah it was interesting. I think he's a good player but I think his best in the NFL has as swing tack. Will you know you're left? Tackle her Disney early in a game. You play for more than for the rest of the game. But he's not someone that I would want to rely on to be like. I think he's a great piece from NFL team. I just don't think he's GonNa be a great piece for an NFL team as a starter and quality death especially on the offense line I always breaches very very important. And having someone who can literally playoff positions is awesome but to me. He's like the best case scenario for his career is going to be like a a big. V formerly of Philadelphia Now Vita I started to flex up From Philadelphia now in Detroit. Who got a really nice contract But I think that's the best case scenario more likely than not he's just GonNa be a perennial seven. Three thousand two lineman just providing death of her civility. Yeah and those guys. Do you have a lot of value in something? I mean we're talking about the CBI's hopefully going to help a little bit with that but You know that is an issue that they haven't. I felt teams. They don't keep that many lyman in and they're going to get up. They're not going to keep in other going with eight. Maybe nine guys An end of the week. So you've gotta be able to have some flexibility there Whatever it is an and the especially being able to snap Let's it's a bigger deal than people realize it is 'cause a Lotta guys just just can't do it so you are. You're in DC. You're you cover the Philadelphia. Oh you're in Philly okay While I'm from your report Landon I'm from Texas currently reside in Philadelphia. And I'm a Washington Redskins Fan. Wow so meeting so where you were born and where you currently live. They absolutely hate the team. That your report yet. So you like to vacation in New York City But the most recent Redskins Game I've been to New York I do okay. That's not too far of a drive for yourself. Now What's going on with the REDSKINS I mean first of all Trent Williams There's lots of trade rumors. But then there's also the Trent Williams agent saying that they wouldn't even talk about treating him And I I hate to pick on you. But the but the bengals ownership is is constantly ripped in called the worst ownership out there so I I gotta ask You. What's what's going on with With ownership and how the Treating Shep Trent Williams in there. So here's how I view the the the owner separation between now I can't speak very closely to the bengals because I don't know just based off what I hear from Bengals. Fans of mines of all of the bingles. Is that Paul Brown rate. Is that correct? Mike Brooks dealer over the founder. Mike Brown's My Brown is the owner curly. Gotcha Gotcha so Mike Brown isn't he? Comes off is not someone who's super interested in winning right. He doesn't really care he just wants to use it as that. That's added the VIBE that I get from when I hear Bengal fans talk about my ground is that he's not super committed to winning. He's not gonNA go out of his way. To produce snap is out there you know. Yeah so. I don't believe that about Dan Snyder. The redskins owner. I think he's he's very interested in when he loves the REDSKINS VERY MUCH. His issue is that he has always been to invested in thinking that he's smart enough to help run a team And He lets his emotions get in the way and it can affect the teen right. He went out and said we're going to go get rg three. We need a quarterback them all these draft picks. Get get it done. He went out and he said. Hey we're going to go. Draft Wayne has that we don't know that was a bad move yet but there are going to be talking about that until doing haskins bruce himself or or dozen. So what's neither his at least done that? It doesn't seem that Brown is done yet is understand where he's making mistakes and then try and fix it Snyder went out and hired. He he fired Bruce Allin right which was a big time move. Bruce Brazil was a major issue with the redskins. He's the one who caused the rift between Drew Williams. He was If the redskins twitter account had to shut down for a couple of months because they couldn't tweet anything without getting a couple thousand HASHTAG virus Allen tweets to literally every replied The stadium was terrible. Going to game sucks. The team sucks. It was it was pretty brutal and a I would say at least seventy percent of the blame should have been put on bruce out he was fired. Dad's neither rotted Ron Vera and said. Hey you're going to do what you think is the right way to build quality. That's a huge thing. Because the redskins have never had someone like Ron Rivera who has proven to be at least not recently where you had Joe Gibbs Mike Shanahan in two thousand nine or two thousand ten coming let was twenty years fifteen years off of Super Bowl Win Rate. Ron Rivera has been to the Super Bowl. He's one to coach of the year. Awards all within the last decade which is pretty huge. So I think that's the separation between the bengals. The REDSKINS OWNER. Dan Snyder wants to win is just a he made. He forced moves. He thought would have helped the team to win when he's not a football guy. Ready never played. It is never in front office. He just became a billionaire and purchase a team Just disembodied team doesn't mean you can run whereas with Brown I get the sense that Bengal fans feel that he really doesn't care team to ever win the Super Bowl Yeah. Let's let's talk. Obviously the last two weeks have made people's opinions of him change a little bit anyway You know out there. Spending a lot of money appears to be doing what he needs to do I think he kind of hit the nail right on the head though that Snyder changes and Brown really hasn't Well I'll take that back. He has at times They have a general philosophy about things and is to build through the draft. And the packers. Were doing that for long. Time as well have started to spend more free agency so really with the bengals. I feel like you know like you know when you learn how to drive in. And they're like they tell you to maintain small adjustments like veering off. You don't make a big adjustment like that's kind of their approach to team building is all right. Well we'll just do a little something here. We're just do a little something here which it makes some sense like okay. Well let's not go radical and you know if if you're the redskins like net let's not just say on this. Haskins thing isn't gonNA work to pick two of this year. You know completely change directions. Every time you know some maybe just needs to work itself out. He did however after they hire. Marvin Lewis and Marvin Lewis came in. And you know Marvin Lewis. Kinda ran the show I think Lewis probably got a little complacent and stopped asking Brown for as much Towards the end and there was definitely some some some cheapness that affected the oft of Lyon. Losing Whitworth and Zeitler were Played no small part in the the bengals demise over the past couple of years But but yeah I mean it looks like you know. It's a delayed effect me because he got hired late but it looks like now. Maybe Taylor is pushing And Taylor opener out there and getting guys in and making some adjustments so fingers crossed In an ad say the same thing hopefully was snyder now bringing in an established football guy. You know a guy who's been there. It's well respected like Rivera. You know you. You hope that he gives him either. The rains a little bit and let him take it and make it. What's going to be because it the browns? The browns are a football family. You know and I don't big problem with Snyder's an example of you know people that ran a business and they come in and they can run a football team like like their business the browns are one of the old families? And you mentioned Paul Brown founded the for the Cleveland Browns in you know He he coached the Cleveland. Browns coach. The bengals founded the bengals obviously And you know he's a guy that bill belichick mentions like in every other interview so He is a true football guy and his family. Obviously would Mike Brown with Katie Blackburn. His daughter grew up around it. But not you know just like just like Mike. Mike Davis not not to the same extent as their father perhaps but So yeah I mean I think both Kinda look the same thing You know how much control we're going to give the coach 'cause Hopefully they both have a have the right guy in there and can can move forward with it so I think the big question is Andy Dong for Trent Wayne Straight up. Let's do it thrown William Jackson. You gotTa deal you know what? I'm not a hundred percent. Sure that's off the table with the moves. They may recently in the fact that they said they're not going to get rid of Kirkpatrick. He's only got a yellow contract they wouldn't I wouldn't shock me if they did move in but More than happy I don't Well especially with the on the roster I. I don't think get rid of other. They could give Williams the money he wants. But Hey while you're listening to this PODCAST T. Mobile was busy building the largest five G. Network in America. 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This is going to be the redskins starting quarterback in twenty twenty. I am ninety nine point. Nine percent sure There's a couple of reasons for this. One runner veer literally said it in an interview yesterday where they went out. They traded for Allen. 'cause they desperately needed the backup quarterback hall of Fame Coach. Redskins coach. Joe Gibbs once said the backup quarterback is the second most important position on the football team. They needed one pretty badly. They went out gave up a fit for Kyle. What that does is it brings in another young guy who can't compete with twin haskins through training camp but is not so talented. Like maybe Philip Rivers. would have been where people just think that okay. He's just GonNa win the job. The expectation is that Dwayne Haskins will go in win. They're going in with the thought process that he is the starting quarterback though if via training Camp Kyle Allen is just head and shoulders better than Dwayne. They'll go with him. I think that more than likely takes the option of two off the table or just in Herbert or they wanted look that way at to the only way. I think they would at all consider quarterback too is if the Cincinnati bengals decided that they wanted to take a chase young. I don't think they would like ninety. Nine point nine nine. I'm a hundred percent. Sure the take quarterback right. So odds are Dwayne has twenty twenty. He was also in my opinion. I think Dwayne has was put in the worst possible situation of all of the higher tier rookie quarterback's he was brought in by coach. That didn't want him In a system. That is not friendly to quarterbacks early. Alex Smith struggled heavily when he came over to Washington really really struggled to pick up the system early Kirk cousins and robbery. Third Colt McCoy were all horrendous earlier. J. Green System. It's a very quarterback friendly system but it takes a long time to learn and for haskins coming out of in Ohio State. Offense that is not a it was a bit of a transition now. I also say that when you see Dwayne Haskins if you go watch. The first appearance. Dwayne Haskins made week five against the giants and then look at him play the giants again week. Sixteen in his last appearance of the regular season there was no quarterback in the NFL that showed more improvement from their first week this year to last week this year that goes for Cuyler Murray that goes for Daniel Jones. It goes for drew lock Haskins was not good to start the season. He was his first three appearances. Were as emergency backup. Quarterbacks that's not good for a rookie quarterback you don't have the game plan set for you. You still haven't learned everything. Defensive are just GonNa come after you still struggle in his last games. In the last four weeks of the season Dwayne Haskins was second only air rogers in qb ratings and completion percentage. There's a lot to light from last year but you have to look at it in a vacuum and you have to understand that with context on numbers are not equal so coming in this year. I think the Redskins are going to view this as a is doing Haskins Our Franchise quarterback or not if you really struggles. Then they're probably picking top-five they're GONNA go out. Get a guy like Trevor Lawrence. Justin feels if he's average to above average there picking anywhere from like ten to eighteen. Then you're thinking okay well give it another year. We'll try and give him some more help. We'll take good player here at the next year. You know you're three in his career will really know what kind of quarterback is or if he has a major sophomore. Leap under new coaching staff. Under team that's really invested in him as the starting quarterback. Then you know you have your franchise guy. So that's kind of the situation with where Dwayne Haskins is and I would. I would bet a lot including probably my life. That dwayne Hassans is going to be the starting quarterback in twenty twenty unless Kyle is a god entering a couple of things. Number one will say is that. I'm not saying it's an easy system for quarterbacks but antidote what nine and seven and went to the playoffs as a rookie plan under under Jay. Gruden bingles roster was noticeably better than the redskins roster. Yeah yeah the very very valid point. I gotTa give me some love. 'cause we're even more than usual because we can't go away but Well we can get him to go away. They're just they're just not getting anything out of them right now. It's a bit frustrating. I don't know I. I think it might just take a little time because I think people are waiting. 'cause obviously you know people talk about. Tom. Brady was the first domino. But that doesn't mean any of the second domino and and it's going to be tough because I think everybody should be interested in Cam. But they're GONNA WANNA they're gonNA WANNA give them a physical they're gonna WanNa see him throw and you can't do that right now so. I mean something could happen late. I haven't I haven't completely given up on it. I mean I'd imagine that they're going to get some kind of draft capital. It's just it's not gonna be what it should be because I do think that Andy Dalton is still like a. You know. Top twenty five to eighteen quarterback. It's it's very obvious the bengals are gonNA move on. They're going to take a franchise quarterback Replace Dalton why don't why give up much resources at all right when you could just wait. See what comes armed is like just signed him without having the pain. Yeah absolutely and and it is certainly a sexier pickup to edit. Pr Better Eighty. Don't might win you more games this year than Cam Newton depending on what Cam Newton situation is But ended don't necessarily put butts in the seats and an even if he's not as old self people come out to see Cam Newton. And I don't even think it's debatable. Right if cabins fully healthy if you get one hundred percent game. Numerous one hundred percent eighty dollars and I still. That can be used to better quarterback. Oh absolutely absolutely in these. Quarterbacks rates have been crazy I mean you know the the the top guys top guys who are on the trade market that is going for like fourth round picks and then exactly. Didn't you guys give up in fifth round? Pick for for Allen so it's Probably THAT'S THE WINDOW. It's a pretty tight pre title window in there But yeah you know you make some good points about Haskins too and it always bug me. During the pre draft prospect process. Last year the the knock on Haskins was that he have enough experience and people wanted him to go somewhere where he could sit for a year which makes no sense. He doesn't have enough experience to. Let's put him on the bench And that's essentially what would happen with the redskins and when you're the emergency quarterback you're not getting reps in practice you know so It will be interesting. It stinks just like it stinks for everybody but that he's not get a probably end up getting OTA's But having him as the number one guy throughout camp getting all the number one reps you know having the game plan built around what he can do what he likes. Now you're putting him in a position where yet you can actually see if he is the guy giving him a chance to succeed and give them the experience like like people say you know. He didn't he didn't have enough reps. Ohio state will he's GonNa get perhaps in the NFL or it's not gonna get better by By watching Cole McCoy you know what I mean exactly and I think it's going to be huge and honesty. The quarterback play cannot get worse than it was last year especially given how dwayne improved throughout the season. So we're talking a lot about one. Ohio state one former. Ohio state quarterback The one that won other competitions. So let's Let's talk about what? What are your thoughts on Jober? Who is your job borough? Nfl Calm so when talking about allowing Michael was Miller. Tony Romo which people here are like a wonderful Tony? Romo is not a good quarterback with while. I don't remember Tony Romo was a bit of a Ed Gaze. At times in terms of how he played Sometimes as you saw some dazzling of sags making beautiful play forty yards down the field on something. That really should have happened at all. You get that from Joe Borough a lot and sometimes you also get the you try to make that play you get picked off that you didn't see that from Joe broke often but jober also wasn't playing in the NFL right. So I do think that the idea of these capabilities lacks real elite armed talent but is a very intangible based quarterback. I do think that Juba Resembles Tony. Romo a lot in that aspect. Yeah and that's that's a pretty common one of us want to hear quite a bit and Indefinitely you see we're talking about there and there's definitely a solid one so you know he is a He's a welcome new force in Cincinnati. And we're all looking very much a forward to making it official so I now I do have to admit I kind of want them to take Justin herber. Only because I have a lot of tweets saved saying that there is no plausible way. The Justice Herbert could even be considered And it would be really funny tweet those out but I do think that jober should be picky one and marketed on twitter for a while. Oh I don't even know what would happen. I mean Herbert. Jeez young anybody like I don't I. I don't even know what would happen in this in this fan base. If they didn't take Joe Bro. At this point it would be pure insanity How people would react me and maybe crazy to not lick at least be hitting it by now took to lessen the blow of it a little bit that could that could definitely get ugly Now I mentioned pro football network blue-chip scouting were working. They following on twitter or anywhere else. They can find work. Please please. Please follow me on twitter at M. V. Scouting If you have something irrational crazy to say and you don't know who to say to police tweeted me I would love to argue with you for hours is my favorite thing to do. Is My favorite pastime Jeff Legal Follow Me Adam vs gathering. 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What Will Teams Who Acquired Extra Picks Do? + Answering Listener Questions

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

48:44 min | 8 months ago

What Will Teams Who Acquired Extra Picks Do? + Answering Listener Questions

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bookie Brooks. What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. Dj in Bucky here on our home camps. Here we've got we've got challenges buck but we're overcoming these challenges to keep the pot alive. How you doing bud is a lot different doing it at home as opposed to doing it into compounds at the pocket studios. Got A lot of distractions here. I got the dog. Run around is different for sure. Man Managing a lot of personnel managing personnel. Yeah you gotta you gotta get everybody in line over there man. It's it's it's like you're the general of an army over there. You gotTA keep everybody lined up and ready to go and at a minute's notice here let's Let's talk what we're going to talk about today because we are going to go through the teams with the multiple first round picks That acquired a couple teams at acquired picks. I should say because we have. We have San Francisco picked up a first round. Minnesota picked up a first rounder. Houston picked up a second round or so we're going to focus on those three teams What they might possibly do with those picks and then we've got some some other interesting topics today. Buck including a conversation that you had with one of the general managers in the NFL this past weekend. Yeah just so much stuff going on over the weekend you have an opportunity to talk to some people but you've talked about a DJ. We're near the point with the moth a little more than a month away. Drop in a little more than a month away. We can begin to start talking about some of the strategies that some of these teams may take based on what they're doing with free agents to trays. They've got the number of picks that they have based on the amount of needs. Do they also have? Yeah so it's GonNa be fun going through that talk about. Some landing. Spots for the quarterbacks have an article on NFL DOT COM. The seven top quarterbacks in the draft after free agency. What does that look like? The most likely landing spots for those seven quarterback so hit that as well as a good cluster conversation of some some ties. I'm trying to sort out on on my draft board as we go along here but buck I stop here. Let's jump into these teams that have acquired picks here during this Free Agency period. Start with the San Francisco. Forty niners team that picked up the thirteenth overall pick and it was costly because they ended up trading to force buckner one of the best defensive players and the National Football League but they get picked thirteen. They also have their own pick at thirty one. They don't have picks in rounds two and three. I believe even in the four so they need to take one of these picks I would imagine and trade back at some more capital. Just here's how they play it You know I know. We'll look and say that they don't have a number of picks particularly in the second third and fourth rounds Which you just got to wonder what players going to be available when they pick at the end of the first round and if that player is worth them trading to maybe get two picks whether it's the second third second and a fourth Just to get more bodies more capable people on that roster. I think what's interesting though is to put themselves in a position to get in the milit- first round where they really can attack. Whatever area they want to work on I feel like selfishly like defensive. Line wise they were stocked in loaded and so they had the luxury of being able to dispatch of a first round. Pick and deforest buckner get another first round pick back and then when you look at their line losing him is like it's still a big loss because he's a big time player but man you have Eric Armstead Nick. Bolsa de Ford You have a bunch of other players that are jumping into rotation thriving I think this is the case. Where what they've done is they've done a really good job of kind of Ford or find the strength of their roster and they're they're at a point where they could auction off a talented player to give back what they needed on drafter. Yeah and I look at a couple of different areas. I know they still have tremendous depth on that defensive line but at thirteen. I think there's at least a chance a guy like Giovanni Ken Luol were to get there if he does get there to me. You turn on the card you make the pick if they want to add more firepower with that pick and maybe choose pick thirty one to trade back and get some extra capital you could be looking at somebody like Henry Rugs to put into that offense there with Kyle Shanahan. And how fun would that be to see Henry Rugs with Deebo Samuel net young core kind of grow together? That would be some options form their thirteen. I would also say if they WANNA trade back at the thirteenth pick. You could go back a little bit and still get a Ross. Blacklock DEFENSIVE TACKLE. Who's very explosive fit? In great with that group that could be one of those trade back scenarios and then if they decide to stick and pick it thirty one. I look at that Corner Position Getting younger getting more athletic getting faster. They're a guy like AJ Terrell from clemson. Who has that link that they love in that Robert Solid Scheme that they run that to me would be a good option for them there if they WANNA corner there at thirty one? Dj's interesting you talk about. Aj to rail and we'll talk more about him some other guys because it really comes down to do it. A valuation of cluster busters meaning the clusters that will be available at thirteen and a clusters. There will be available at thirty one as you look at. What could be available thirteen? You're just kinda weigh the pros and cons of will be rather have one of these players in here. Are we more likely to get one of these players? Maybe dropped back to eighteen. Nineteen twenty where we could fall back and still get one or two of the guys that we like. They'll be available. Or should we think about our the cluster? That is here at thirty one. How many of these guys potentially could fall into the second round and still be available? Is it better for us to trade out of this Get into the second round and we still will get a comparable player A lot of what we talk about are weighing the pros and cons and the value of certain positions at certain stages of the draft. I think this is a conversation that they have to have In the war room is Francisco. A where's the value? Where's the death? Where do we break down to tears which tears will be available when we make participate? Think about moving back into the second round etc. All of those conversations will ultimately determine what they do on drafted no doubt well. Let's let's move onto the Minnesota Vikings team that trade US define digs. I thought they got a nice return. Especially when you look at the De'andre Hopkins Return. The Houston was able to get a tremendous job there by Rick. Spielman what he was able to fetch. I fawn digs. They now hold picks twenty two and twenty so very close to one another and with a wide receiver need. That is out there now. I think you'll see one of these. Picks go to the WIDE RECEIVER POSITION. Still like to add a corner. If you could and then I would say interior offensive line three areas. I could see them. Focus and buck. Let me give you the Homerun pick for the Minnesota Vikings to me in my opinion Justin in Jefferson from Lsu. You replacing a phenomenal route runner with another outstanding route runner. Somebody who catches everything who's going to be able to get on the same page with Kirk cousins very early. I think he is the perfect fit and I think when you look at where their position pick twenty two twenty two and twenty five. Maybe you have to look at the board and say Philadelphia a wide Receiver Team. Picking twenty-one maybe you try and leapfrog there and get to twenty with Jacksonville who has been collecting a lot of picks that could be in play there. Just move up a little bit too makes you get a guy like Justin Jefferson. I Love Jefferson Jefferson. Pick it. Here's why like one of the guys that I trust in a business. A Lot Jerry Sullivan. One of the best wide receiver coach is debt I've ever seen at work one of the best ones to coach in the league. He swears by Justin Jefferson. He's some time at lsu. A couple of seasons ago work with him taught him and he said even with your more chase in that room that just. Jefferson is the guy just in Jefferson was to Alpha. Justin Jefferson has the versatility to play in the slot. He can play outside. He can learn every position that you want him to learn but he also has the skills to thrive in each of those different positions. He said without question he believed at Justin. Jefferson would be a fantastic player in the league in when I think about the Minnesota Vikings and what they want to do with this office Adam theme is a route runner. Justin Jefferson is also a route run and so having the opportunity to replace Stefan with another guy that is mature who is very very technically sound and who was also apologize playmaker. I think that would be a no brainer. Move if he's available Near with Minnesota Vikings pick and we look at that Pick twenty-five if they were to go receiver at twenty two at twenty five. I don't really see interior offensive lineman there that could be another opportunity for a team like this to trade back from twenty-five get some more picks maybe get yourself in that second round range for a guy like a Caesar we's or Lord Lloyd cushenberry from Lsu One of those types players which would be plug and play in this offensive line. I mentioned corner and let me give you some names here around where they're picking twenty two and twenty five. You'RE GONNA be looking I think. Cj Henderson's gone from from Florida. Obviously Jeff Okuda is GonNa be long gone but you're looking at Jalen Johnson's the AJ Tyrrell's maybe a Christian Fulton that those are the guys that are kind of in the mix there at twenty five. Yes so then a which you have to do is you got to determine What's the style of play? How do we WANNA play remember? I think this is important fact. Jerry Gray is no longer Coaching in the secondary for the Minnesota Vikings. He was a great teacher in developer. Did a really good job of kind of support in supplementing. What Mike Zimmer did Mike Zimmer run the tires show Adam Zimmer and Andre Patterson splitting the defensive coordinator duties so? I do wonder if they're going to be some stylistic changes in the way that they play and so if that changes that may also change the type of corner that they look for because this is a unique opportunity for the Minnesota Vikings They don't have Xavier rose Tradewinds has I think thinking signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. So you're talking about a brand new secondary the corner position. They have Mike us who returns from an injury coming back from UCF but they need to find another guy that can plug and play. So of those three. That you mentioned Jalen Johnson AJ therelw Kristen. Fulton it just to me is tough because it comes down to toughest. Because I don't know Christopherson Fulton. I wonder if he can hold up under the barrage of throws debt happening at division. Not only to tell us why receivers. But just how quarterbacks relentlessly go after you on the outside. Jan Johnson has a level of toughness that I like Mentally he was playing with a torn labrum. So someone attacking stuff you would like to think would improve in an AJ. Too Real to me. I think what hurts? Him is the lasting image of the National Championship. Game when we saw Lsu go at him relentlessly. But I will say this when you go back and watch his tape. He's a pretty clean prospect. I mean he hit. He can run he can cover. He press play off. He jumps in the slot. He does a lot of interesting things. I would say that. He may be the most underrated of those guys. I think in a normal year we really would talk about him. A lot higher. It's how you should be valued man no doubt I I wouldn't rule out a guy like AJ Terrell With a team like the raiders. They're picking at nineteen would be an interesting spot for them so we'll see if even gets to the Minnesota Vikings Art Houston now outside the first round buck they don't have a first round pick That was one of the the means they used to acquire Laremy Tunsil. They still have to work out a contract with by the way that was not handled properly. But when you look Houston right. Now they trade deandre Hopkins. They have now picked forty and fifty seven so two picks here in the second round. They're GONNA get a chance to get to really good football players in a really deep draft wide receiver need comes to the forefront. Obviously you just trade hopkins. I would still say trying to find some more edge rush as well would be high priorities. And when you look at second round wide receivers Edward Edge. Rushers your to me you're looking at. Maybe it's a brandon t higgins. I think is a chance to be there at pick number forty. That'll be a close call viscous. Chenault who's really taken on some water. Unfortunately in the off season was not healthy to combine. Did Not run. Well had that core muscle surgery but I think his stock has really fallen. He'll be there in the second round. Range Denzel mems from Baylor. I mean we've got you also have Michael Pittman from you've got jalen Reagan from TCU. I do think there are a lot of good second round receiver options to look at it and then from the edge rusher position not quite as encouraging there. I look at a guy you know. I'm a big fan of Marlon Davidson to me. That would be the one maybe pick forty. If you were to get there somebody who has that versatility outside inside would be an interesting name there? Yes it is interesting. Because they also a team in transition Anthony Weaver takes over as their defensive coordinator. Romeo Cornell is no longer calling the defense so sadly they should also change. But you talked about it. This is a team that has suddenly gotten old on the defensive side of the ball particularly on the defensive line at edges. Jj Watt is older Winning Mercilus is also an older player. They need to find some young energy off the pitch. I think when you really look at this draft If we can do it in a perfect world I think what you have to do is go. Get Your Pass rusher. F Forty Find Your wide receiver at fifty seven the best pass. Russia's debt are available at forty. I would really try and make a move to make sure that out. Secure that because I think there's a significant drop off once you get past the first half of dudes and so if I'm them. I WanNa make sure that I get a sack artist. Someone that can come down and make plays I know they're a team. That is the three or four team. I looked forty is rich but I think Bradley a Ni- to be in that conversation either at forty or fifty seven because when I watch him play he fits how they wanna play off the edge. His toughness athleticism. His ability to get to the quarterback was certainly helped Because I really think this is a weak spot for them one more name. I'll throw into the mix here as we finish this discussion up. Daryl Taylor from Tennessee. Who was hurt unfortunately? Didn't see him at. The senior bowl was not healthy at all this year. But you go back to two thousand eighteen tape. You see a different player so we have a really a lack of talent edge rushers in this draft class. He's got juice he's got big time. Talent is not cleaned not clean prospect based off the last year. Buck but somebody. I think you're GONNA see kind of rise up. The process here is people are starting to try and develop find some of these names. He's going to get pushed up the board yet he is going to get pushed up debris because this is tough man. Because you're you're speculating Who's available and there's certain guys who have production but you don't necessarily like how they look physically I think Curtis Weaver from Boise. State falls into that category. You don't like the packaging but you like the production and so you just kinda wonder. Where does he fit? Easy Guy. Second third round can can they find him in those stages so is one of those things where you're gonNA have to swing? You gotta take some big swings to try and find some passwords because outside the after the first couple of guys go significant. Drop off in terms of the value in the talent. Well I want to have a discussion about some of these little clusters and really. This is just to players. And I've done this during this time of year. I kind of print out my top fifty list and I ended up trying to now. I'm going to stack my position's going beyond the top fifty and eventually lead to put together a top one hundred list all have my top two hundred players ranked personally post the top one hundred but the different things to sort out. I talked about it a couple of weeks ago. I had went on just in Herbert Jordan. Love quest to Kinda sort those two players out one cluster I feel good about that. I had a Jonathan Taylor. Jk Dobbins Cluster went through that. I ended up with Jonathan Taylor over Dobbins very close but I ended up pushed him above. Then you get some of these other positions buck receiver. I feel pretty comfortable where I am with top Tier Group tight ends. I feel comfortable. Offensive tackles my top four. Probably NOT GONNA change. Feel really good about that order. For personally. With Becton Wills Worth Thomas but the next cluster for me. I'm trying to sort out Austin Jackson versus Josh Jones Austin Jackson from Sap Josh Jones from Huston. So that's what I'm trying to sort out year. This girl went Is a really good one and prior to the combine had Josh Jones over Austin Jackson Part of that came from look man. Joshua Jones are so solid The last part of the week at the senior bowl I was very impressed with how he went about his business and then I looked at Austin Jackson again. I'm looking at the tape. And then I had a conversation with him about the bowl mirror surgery and surgery in July at how he said he never quite felt like himself and so I'm looking at what the tape shows and I'm thinking man if he is like just coming out of that and that's what he looks like when he's not fully returned to form what will he be at the next level when he gets an opportunity to be fully backing fully right and so. I'm Kinda great him a little bit on a curve but the talent is there and I think he is a very natural left tackle who also has the ability to really get it done in the run game when I look at Houston Josh originals. They didn't really like Mash in smash their you know a Lotta Lotta pass pro opportunities but Because I felt like awesome. Jacks is a little more balanced When it comes to being able to be a solid run blocker put him over top Joshua Jones. The last time I did talk a good discussion. I think it's one that's going on in a lot of draft around the league to Trying to see what you value and with Austin Jackson did not play well against Iowa had a couple of plays against against Utah even early in the year against Fresno State had some issues. But I see the athleticism jumps out. He's more athletic than Josh owns. That showed up in the testing. There's he's twenty years old so you know there's room for growth. You factor in the bone marrow procedure there to help his sister so to. It's it's you can see where the trend line is. You can see us Jackson going past him and I have him currently over Josh Jones Josh Jones. Though if you're just going to say let's great how they played on the tape this year. Josh Jones was a steadier steadier player. So it's a little bit takes a little bit of faith to Austin Jackson above him. But that's the debate. That's the debate has taken place yet. That is the debate in what you're trying to do. And we've talked about this a little bit but evaluating players United just evaluating the final season You really tried to take everything into consideration the entire body of work how they develop from freshman sophomore to junior season What issues that are known issues when it comes to the medical history and how that impacted how they performed and some of is really a leap of faith in terms of how you think this players going to project for whatever reason. I just believe that. That surgery took a lot out of Jackson early in the year. And it took him a while to get back to form and I felt like By the end of the season we're beginning to see that even though AJ ECHINACEA Worked a little bit in the ballgame. Aj EPA is a first round. Pick so it happens. No doubt I'm going to give you my three defensive battles that I'm trying to sort out here over the next coming weeks and I want you to tell me which one you think is the most difficult to sort song give you the three you tell me which one's most difficult to sort and why so. I have Trying to sort Kayla von Jason versus the tour gross mottos at the edge rusher position. I Have Patrick Queen versus Kenneth. Murray two guys I really really like in Kenneth Murray is making a strong push Right now everything that I've continued to study on him. So those two and then guys. We've talked about today. Jalen Johnson versus AJ Terrell so of those three battles their book which one is the most difficult to figure out why I think the edge rusher battle Kayla on Jason and you too gross models desi difficult one as a difficult one because man Kimmelman chason is super athletic When I look at my notes in my report on him the first thing that I talk about his speed speed speed urgent athlete explosive dynamic all of those things and you see the flashes where he flashes the potential athletically to completely take over the game. However I don't have significant production to kind of validate that opinion. I'm able to say like a if he gets coaching if he does this if he does debt. Or whatever the flashes standout you to gross mottos to me isn't as flashy but he's a steady consistent producer off the line When I looked at him he reminded me a lot of Jason Pierre. Paul coming out of south Florida He's long He asked him athleticism. We see him use his hands He has the ability to kind of come inside on some of the loops and games I just think he's a very very solid player who's been consistently productive. And so I would say is kind of like the debate that you have with Justin Herbert. Enjoying love Chason has the higher ceiling Gross Mottos probably has a higher floor. Which one do you WanNa roll the dice on to bring to your team now? That's a great point and the interesting thing is with the quarterback position. Man I in everybody's different evaluators different quarterback maybe I tend to lean a little more conservative whereas pass rushers maybe factoring in traits a little. Bit More and saying okay. This guy has the stuff you can really develop and grow with maybe a little more adventuresome there at the edge rusher position as opposed to the quarterback spot. Yeah you know I. It's tough because six one half a dozen on the other when it comes to projecting those athletic guys like A couple years ago we had several conversations where we had to deal with litter. Floyd you know you saw the athleticism you saw the trace or whatever but Chicago and never necessarily consistently popped Doesn't mean that it won't pop up but but you wonder with year. We kill him on chasing. I see the trace. I see athleticism Had A conversation with him about kind of learned as he goes. And you like the kid is just willy. Be Able to add enough tools to the toolbox. That when they start hitting the fastball. That he has something else that he could win with the ever changing. Does he have a curve ball What does he have so a lot of that is on the kid and also on the coaches? So that's why talk about it. You have to scout your room. You have to know who you have as a d line edge rusher coach and what is his track record for getting gas to play above what they displayed in college. Yeah I think the neal hunters kind of the example of guy who didn't have that production who you bet on with the traits and then it hit but then as you mentioned book. There's a long list of guys who did not have production and you're hoping that's GonNa come at the next level and it just never happened so I think it again comes down to getting to know the kid as best as you can as well as knowing what you have in your in your in your coaching room there To be able to pull out of these guys and get them better and develop them. I WanNa get to this conversation that you had with Thomas Dmitrov over the weekend in regards to the Atlanta Falcons book because I thought it was quite fascinating is fascinating. let me preface it first so when I was with the Green Bay packers Had A conversation With Ron woolfe longtime ago Ron. Woolfe will tell you hall of fame. Executive Ron Woolfe will tell you that. He credits a lot of what he learned from. Team building and evaluation standpoint to the late. Al Davis so have an opportunity to plan Oakland. I saw firsthand. How Al Davis treated former first round picks and there's a theory that says if you're a team it is always smart to whatever first round pick is released to at least bring through the building and kick the tires on him and the reason why you want to do that is typically the guys that earned first round. Great are typically consist consensus first round talents. Meaning that we as a scouting community saw those guys as kind of the best of the best from a talent perspective near however they performed sometimes that could be on them but sometimes it could be on. The environment could be on the coaching staff. And the like so. Ron Always said bring those guys in and see if a change of scenery. We'll bring that talent to the surface. When I look at the Atlanta Falcons and the fact that the Atlanta Falcons potentially could have an office with eleven first rounders in the starting rotation. I just think that is fantastic. I'm looking at it now at wide receiver. Julio Jones Calvin really tied in Hayden Hearse Center Alex Mack Left Tackle Jake Matthews left Gore Chris Carpenter Reidar Chris Lidstrom. Caleb mcgeer right tackle quarterback Matt Ryan Todd Gurley. They just signed Look one trip will who also could get into that mix and so some of us believe that this is a a talent deal. Meaning it is a thing were You have to have the most talent to win games. There's no denying that Atlanta Falcons have a tremendous amount of talent. No doubt and you know it's interesting. I think about it even from a standpoint of the draft and you get to the later of the draft I think a lot of teams pay attention to. Who are these kids? That were five star. Kids come out of high school that had some pedigree and for whatever reason their college career never got untracked. Didn't fall that far in the draft but Stefan Stefan digs is a great example in the past of somebody who really great big time high recruit coming out of high school and injuries derailed him there in Maryland. But you mentioned Willy Willy Gray Junior. They're big time five star athlete at Mississippi State. I was just talking to a team the other day about him because God doesn't start a game this year. Had some suspensions it was academic related teams have cleaned him up a little bit from a character standpoint but man book the flashes. I mean he's got first round ability and it's just a matter of word you take him in the draft but that's part of that pedigree. You had coming into college as well so as funny. Dj had similar conversations. Because I had a team Talk to me and I had a coach who interviewed him. Combine it was like a dude. he five star player and when you watch him play. He's athletic. He's fast. He moves around and makes plays he said. I don't know if he can get people lined up but man he certainly can play. And if you got the right support system around him where you can just free him up to run around and play off his instincts he certainly can make plays and they got told me man day too. When you're looking for guys that can not only play but it can do some special team stuff. He is going to be in that conversation and that was something that I don't know many of us if we talked about that. Coming into combat. Yeah no it was somebody I had watching. I thought man I saw these flashes. I saw pick six against Kentucky House. This guy's explosive. But then you read through the background stuff without knowing anything about the kid. And you see all these suspensions the fact he hasn't started again and I'm like man. I don't know if I don't know if that's the roller coaster. I want to hop on all the information and then as you're starting to learn more information you're okay. Well it's these. Sins are forgivable and this is a tremendous athlete yet. I mean Explosive Dynamic Athlete. And in some of these situations you are looking at your coaching staff and trying to figure out which guys are developmental. Guys which guys will have an opportunity to get better. If I'm going to take a chance of someone getting better I would rather have a Bala. Klay has a lot of talent in it as opposed to trying to build up from scratch. Yeah I'm with you on that All right buck. We've had a bunch of listener questions on Apple podcasts again. If you have questions for us just go to Apple podcasts. Ho Ho owner DJ. Because this'll go ahead buck where we got the because this this has been on the run down for like the last five show. So let's let's talk about this quickly about Oregon and the pro day and Justin Herbert and best of. Let's talk about like whatever it is that we saw like how you view I know we talked about the cluster. Buster was so long ago back so it was but I'm sitting here I'm looking at it like a at least talk about it so I can I can. I can move past it and get it off the screen. I think bill I think Nabil is. Hell bent that he cannot. We cannot move on with the podcast unless we discuss. What happened at organs pro day nine months ago? So let's let's let's make them happy and let's knock it out is funny because he had to share the stage all because we didn't see many pro days. I think the thing with Justin herber like where we are now is I feel like his great is almost in concrete right like we've seen him He's a four year player He played in the senior bowl. He did his thing at the senior bowl where he was. Mvp threw the ball really well at the combine The one thing that I'm GonNa say about him in this kind of goes to some old school scouts who lean on the bill parcells rule of quarterbacks he falls in line with their rule and so they're rule simply states that you need to be a three year starter a college graduate He would like to see you. Have a two to one touchdown to interception ratio. Herber does debt He would like to see twenty three wins during the time. He has more than that We saw him play in a big time. Bowl game He he has all of the trays that you look for and so there are only two guys to Kinda fit. The criteria is justin. Herbert in Jalen hurts was interesting about the Herbert Conversation. I feel like he is where he is. I feel like in talking to people. Jalen hurts is the one that is kind of climbing and he's climbing because I think more people are getting comfortable with the kid and then they look back and say hey. He's won a lot of games. He was a driving force for Alabama as a freshman where he broke off. Fifty yard run or a thirty five yard run. There would have been the game winner. If not for the magic that the Shawn Watson displayed. That would've changed a narrative surrounding jalen hurts. He also sucked it up when to a ton of lower one. The job he stayed he had an opportunity in the Sec Championship. Game to get in and make plays he made plays he goes to. Oklahoma Kinda remade. His game played at a different level was a thrower more so than a runner and simultaneously. The national. Football League was shifting and so- jalen hurts is a very very interesting prospect for very creative Coaching staffs as Scouting Department's. Yeah and I've mentioned him an article I have up now on On NFL DOT COM. We're going to video about this. You know the the likely landing spots for the seven top quarterbacks in the draft and he is buck look. I've told you he's kept me up at night because I just have this sensation that I'm too low on Jalen hurts and he's going to find his way more than likely into my top fifty because I just want to have a good night's sleep. I want to stop worrying about having these nightmares of Jalen hurts tearing up the League in here. I'm a Bozo and didn't have him in my top fifty. So eight years. The competitiveness to toughness the playmaking ability. All that stuff is real The arm strength to make every throw The intelligence the work ethic It's all there. It's just a matter of. Can you throw anticipation and timing? Some things that That he needs to continue to work on and develop. But I'm with you. I think he is somebody. That's going to really gain steam as we come through this last round draft meetings all right. Can we do Can we do listener questions now? Can Yes yes. We do a question about all right all right. Let's go here I'll start you off here. We'll go every other one Again go to apple podcasts. Leave us a rating review. Drop a question. There will answer it on the podcast. What's your opinion on trading away known commodities who were already performing well in the league for unknown commodities in the draft. And I already know Bucky Brooks answer this question. Oh man you always go. Players over. Picks I kind of like the no what I'm doing if some of that comes from Warren Buffett I know right now is not a great time to talk about the stock market but Warren Buffett always talks about Castro. Lot All brand named will the brand names and the league are the ones that play and play at a high level. So I'm a little more apt to Kinda lean on players that I've seen play and play at a high level in the national football league more so than Canada unknown players that are coming into the league. However I'll put a little attic bite in this I will lean on those players provided that the price tag isn't exorbitant. Meaning that it's not going to wreck the salary cap structure of the team building process if it can be worked within Hauer. We're building the team cool. I'm all about doing it. But if he can't then have to go and kind of tap into the unknown commodities because hopefully on a team a scouting staff that does a great job of evaluating players and we'll find a replacement it may not be like value. But we'll get someone that can play and play really well but I'm still gonNA lean towards players over picks. There's a line in baseball where I've heard over the last couple off. Seasons prospects are nice parades or Nicer. That was a pretty good way of saying it like to have the picks but you know players players helped get you parades all right you got one for me. Give you the next question here could you? Can we discuss the ways? Just general manager Joe. Douglas could get creative this off season to help out Sam. Darnold while you've seen it. They've signed five offensive linemen and free agency and that was the number one issue for this team was getting better upfront now. They didn't have a ton of money to spend after the money that was spent in last year's off season so they had to kind of spread their money out and they had a lot of needs on this roster. So you're not going to see the big name big ticket item in free agency but you get guys on the interior and on the edges. A guy like fan tackle. Who's very athletic? They're gonNA WANNA do a Lotta zone. Stuff fits in with WHAT THEY WANNA? Do there They they've They brought in. What is it McGovern from From Denver who's a really really good solid center So they've they've done a nice job of getting place holders in place where they can line up and play the game now. They're still going to address offensive line in the draft Alex Lewis was another one they brought in. They brought back who started and played pretty well for them last year but right now it's just getting bodies in there. Getting bodies guys have started games in the. Nfl guys can be functional and then continue to try and upgrade that. There's there's need it receiver with with Robbie Anderson situation not resolved right now buck but in this draft to me. I'm almost an advocate of sandwiches. Wait until you get into the third fourth round you'll be able to find upgrades over the jets receivers in those rounds in this draft. Oh absolutely If I had to look at the jets receiver core right now. It's only one guy that I would say I would Count a pin as a guy that I have to have. And it'll be Jamison crowder because I think Jamison crowder is an established slab receiver who could really Move the chase. I think outside of that is wide. Open I'll be in the draft looking for Players and play makers that could come in and make plays on the second third round. I think there are a ton of available wide receivers that will be there In that range and also think If I'm jody I think Imam Jody. I haven't had any contact with Robbie Anderson. I think in a couple of days I think I may Send a little tickets to see if his price tag has come down significantly from what he thought it was going to be. I mean you know like maybe I'll just kinda circle back and be like. Hey man how you doing you know. Because I don't think Romney Anderson found Free Agency to be what he thought it was going to be. I agree with you. I think the whole wide receiver market was a shock after Amari Cooper got his money Wouldn't much left around everybody else. Said we're GONNA it's GonNa wait and and we're GONNA go all in on the draft. That's why you see so many of these players really kind of stuck to take one year deals guide like Nelson. Did what the price tag really coming down all right. Let's just a couple more questions here. I'm going to skip down Jerry Judy is similar player to Amari Cooper. If so why would Jon Gruden want him? Good question there's a very good question and I think they are very very similar and I think it goes all the way back to Jerry. Judy will tell you that. He looked up to a maury cooper Coming from south Florida being able to watch him in high school Kinda followed him to Alabama. Both guys are outstanding. Route runners in playmakers I think the thing that is a little different because judy is quiet but I think. Judy may have a little more of that. Competitive Spirit when it comes to the one on one challenges. At the Line of scrimmage I think Amari Cooper Can kind of disappear with gas who are relentless in terms of their mindset? The play him. At the line of scrimmage he has struggled as a number one when number one corners have got up in his face and really made it very difficult for him. That's why it'd be interesting to see what Darius slay does to Cooper There slay beneficially going against a mark over. I think Gerry Judah has a little more of to him than that but I think they're similar. I think the reason why Jon gruden would appreciate a jury judy man. He's a Polish player. There's not a lot of finished. It's you have to put on him. He kinda comes as a plug and play player with positional flexibility. And versatility meant. He could play outside he can plan to slot he's a high IQ player and as they're continuing to build their team and change the culture. He fits into what they WANNA do. Yeah no I think you explained that that quite well buck Let's do one more question here before we wrap this thing up. What do you got all right? I don't want to answer to packers question because I feel like this cave from Nabil so I'm going to say. How did you get into the scouting world? How would you recommend someone to start? This guy says. I'm super interested in learning how to scout players. But don't know where to start. Just give a little advice. Dj sure first of all we all. There's a lot of different ways and stories of how you got into the NFL into the scouting world a lot of times. It's really by who you've met and who you get to know and that's why you know my situation. I was working in for. Espn right out of college. Working on Sunday night. Football on a Sunday night. Football game against the Ravens Raves Zimmer. Who they're playing but I ran into somebody in the Personnel Department. Got An TJ McRae for the for the Baltimore. Ravens who was my brother's college roommate They played football together at Liberty University. So I got to talking with him and they were GonNa have an opening and so he asked if I'd be interested so it was really just kind of a random happenstance thing but I always advise guys you know the college program is is really Kinda defeat or program for NFL scouts. So if you can get a job in recruiting and that's like nobile our producers doing at USC getting a job where you're evaluating high school players helping out the recruiting operation At these colleges and then you start to get to know some of the NFL scouts as they're coming through Getting to develop those relationships and I always encourage people to do two things number. One is sent. Get the email address which you'll take a little bit of effort but you can find the email addresses for the director of college scouting for all thirty. Two teams send them emails with your resume as well as you make sure you point out your willingness to volunteer at training camp at the combine at wherever you will get yourself there you will lodge yourself and you will give them something for free and show them that. You are interested in passionate about this profession. The number the number two thing I tell people is gotta get practice watching in writing players and we talked about this the other day on twitter buck. Nfl Game Pass Free Right now so you can go on. Nfl DOT COM FIND NFL game. Pass you can watch all twenty two footage of the NFL game and print out. Just print out the stats. Who are the top ten guys in sacks where the top ten guys receptions top ten guys and touchdowns at tight ends whatever and sort them that way? Watch those ten players right. Your report very simple. What did you do well strengths? What does he need to improve on weaknesses? And then your overall summary and that's a great way to practice watching players evaluating players and I would encourage people to go to to our our series that we did on evaluating the the. What did we call the prototype series? It's like NFL dot com slash. Mt s prototype and you can find A. We've had conversations with people that really are are masters at each position and we discuss how you evaluate and how you scout each and every position. I think is really important. I love your story About how you and TJ hooked up We got together and that led to the opportunity. Margarethen attorney was similar In terms of I was Kinda bouncing around I was playing with the Green Bay packers. And the guy who picked me up from the airport. It was John Snyder who is now. The general manager for the Seattle seahawks will snyder not had a solid relationship. Then to the point where when he was directed. Kansas City as a player he brought me in there and I played at the end of my career. I was actually Mike McCartney who is now a prominent agent That I shout out all the time. Mccartney was a pro director in Philadelphia. I called him about a scouting opportunity. A HE AND TOM O. Drac they were going to bring me in for interview. I Call John Snyder to get background on how to prepare for an interview in he had told me. Hold up a may have an opportunity in Seattle. If I get the GIG in Seattle I'll bring you into interview. He gets to GIG. I go and I interview He offered me the job and I am. They're working In Seattle For Ted Thompson John Snyder Scott McClellan is in the room Now and and so. That's how it started and I think my interest in personnel Just kinda arose from always been fascinated with how teams are built. How Championship teams are built in looking at talented players? And how do you put the pieces of the puzzle together and so I just always had an interest and then when it comes to really learning how to scout I think is finding mentors I never had the opportunity to work in Baltimore like you did. However Art Perkins Shack Harris Ozzie newsome they were always really really open with their time. In terms of giving me advice in how things matched up and so one of the joys of going to the common for me was sitting. High up It we call it a barbershop. It was those guys and Charles Bailey and a bunch of Ol- scouts in there just talking and I'm just listening in soaking up and so if you can find a handful of guys that are willing to share because I think this is a business where you do share you share what you learn you share what you know. We share stories on the pike ass but those stories really resonate and they have a tendency. The help you when you're making these decisions and so our courage. Anybody get an internship. Do whatever it takes no doubt you know buck as we as we wrap up today. you've talked about finding mentors in Really kind of a sad story today. But you know Coach Ron Marciniak. We call him coach Ron with the Baltimore. Ravens was old veterans Scout. He'd been in the NFL for Gosh. Probably forty years was with Gil. Brandt with the Dallas Cowboys Was Instrumental in kind of building a lot of those championship teams and then was with the Baltimore Ravens for a long time. And if you've heard if you listen to podcasts for longtime you'll hear me talk about well an old scout told me this or an old scout told me that these little little lessons you know little things like it's an draft. You're almost better to be strong and wrong than to be weakened right you gotTa have your conviction and your opinions and be strong about it. I've told stories about coach. Ron where when rivers was coming out I didn't have to evaluate but we had a bunch of low grades in the room. Coach Ron. This reminds me. A lot of John. Unites You know coach Ron. There's an article you could find. Were Gil Brandt. Talks about how they had a scout literally stand on the table for Jerry Rice when he came out that was coach Ron Marciniak. Well just found out this morning. That coach Ron has passed away and I've got a bunch of texts. Why we're recording this. Podcast I've got Phil Savage Eric Kosta TJ McRae. Who I've mentioned Joe Tease Jeremiah. Washburn all these guys who around the League have done some really cool things and coach around was kind of a mentor to all of us. So anyways he had a full life and he He accomplished some amazing on the on the Scouting Front but also was unbelievable husband and father and somebody that that I just really really had a fun fun for so there's a lot of people around the NFL. There's a lot going on in the world right now. But a lot of us Missing coach Ron Right now. That's for sure. Yeah well sorry for the loss. Sorry for losing a guy who is really a legend in scouting circles. I've expressed to you my affinity for what you guys were able to do in Baltimore. The consistency That I saw come from that and so I know Ron was a big part of that. I've heard you share those stories and so I think it is A sad that we lose somebody but the good thing is I know that his legacy will live on through you and through the your appears that were with the Ravens at the time because we always will be able to reflect in share. Those little nuggets that he was able to share with you. We'll be able to share those on this show and they will be able to share those scouting circles. Going forward. Me and my wife were talking about him Just a little while ago and I said you remember coach. Ron Remember Ron Marciniak with ratio. Yeah I said he used to. We go to scouting dinners and my wife and I don't drink and he could not figure out I don't why don't you drink? What are you kidding me? You don't drink a he. He couldn't get over the fact that that we did. We did not drink We we had. We had a good laugh about that but anyways coach Ron was a special guy. We're GONNA miss him but anyway. I hope you guys have enjoyed the show. Today we covered a lot of ground Again if you have any questions hit us up apple podcasts. Drops a question in the review. Section there Find move the sticks on there all of our video content YouTube dot com slash. Nfl podcast you can also find us on. Nfl dot com slash MTS video as well. That's GonNa do it for today. Thank you guys so much for listening. Be Safe out there. We'll catch you next time right here on. Move the sticks.

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Phinsider Radio: News and Notes from Miamis first padded practice

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Phinsider Radio: News and Notes from Miamis first padded practice

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We're going to hear from reporters, but we're here to give you everything that you may have best and your road work where every might be gone. Maybe you're just standing around the house none of this. Thanks for joining US and before I introduce my buddy outs here, I want to remind you all to please please please. Hit Subscribe Button. It is completely free leave a review. Hopefully, give us some five star ratings that helps us out. So so much makes us able to do what we're doing for you guys here and without further Ado Josh, we got football this. Yemen, this is awesome I. Mean I think we all needed this with everything going on twenty twenty they put on the pads we're getting some clips of you know to throw in some passes were hearing things about Josh Rosen old dive into as much as we can because we know they're being very tight lipped about what's going on, but we heard from some players today. So we're going to dive right into this IPAD at practice for the Miami Dolphins Jake. It's exciting times we're one. Step closer to finally single the twenty twenty dolphins aren't finally seeing how the season's going to look. It's exciting. got a little bit of know little couple nuggets here, and there we heard about the Josh Rosen thing what do you want to start off first with here about what we heard about today a practice I think we have to talk about what might have made you more upset than anything else that could have happened today me I'm not really in the same mindset of. As you are. But we have pressing Williams returning from an Seo injury and everyone's saying you know he's looking healthy. He was out there battling with Byron Jones and I mean if you want stiff competition I, mean that is just the way to do it but there was one line you screen shot at you tweeted it. If you have if you don't follow them and you missed it at each ut Z. on twitter that's how. Josh. Let's talk through it here. Preston Williams was working as a punt returner. Yeah man and this is just so frustrating and if you guys have followed me for a little bit, you know that was very adamant. You know I thought personally was going to be a very good player I said before Chris Kaufman three yards precarious kind of the guy that turned me onto Preston Williams and his skill set. But I mean, he just has that Orion, we're sitting here talking about how him and. You know devante Parker going to be that that next tandem why are you playing one of these like prolific wide receivers back there as a punt returner? We know this is a big guy. We know he got hurt last season doing this. It's just so frustrating I was a huge racal McMillan Fan and you know I was so excited for his debut and we know what happened on special teams and then last. Year Preston Williams looked like he was going to be possibly dolphins leading wide receiver. He gets hurt he was leading most rookies in targets receptions, and all that good stuff before he went down why the hell is he back there returning punts when you got Malcolm Perry when you got your team grant when you got, you know no the list goes on and on of players that you should back there returning. punts over Preston Williams I get that all these guys gotta pay their dues you know personal is probably wants to be back there to work on his on his hands but God please. No please in live game action. Please do not even experienced this or experiment with this. We do not need to see it this. Yes. This this had me a it's still has me a little upset. This is this is crazy. And like I one hundred percent get where you're coming from and I completely understand but there was another very talented player that the dolphins could not afford to lose who use to also returned kicks and actually won a game for the dolphins returning a kick and that was Mr One and only Jarvis Landry. So I agree with you in a sense here but but just kind of be the devil's advocate you know everyone thinks about offense and defense and that special teams almost not necessarily practice squad but as a situation where players work on it, work there and work their way up you know you mentioned rape one McMillan you know a lot. Of these different guys star on the you know you make your mark on special teams but just because you make your mark on special teams doesn't mean you should necessarily there you just mentioned both Malcolm Perry at odds Kim grant to potential guys who could do this job both of them have issues fumbling the football. We saw the allot with grant last year, Mel compare area that was the case in college. So pressing Williams I mean whether he's returning the kids all the time or just on occasion like Jarvis Landry did I think this is really important for the dolphins have because a sure handed guy who is going to be smart enough to. Decipher, do I catch it even those inside the twenty do I let it bounce I. Let that risk into the end zone I think those are things. The dolphins are really thinking about while I am pretty much going to agree with you hundred percent that pressing Williams shouldn't be the guy returning kicks I'm not necessarily against it because I think you know special teams might not be the most important thing in the world. And you coaches be the first one to tell you that's wrong and you know there's three fast the game special teams just important Yadda Yadda. But I mean someone returning those kicks needs to be someone very sure handed someone you can really trust I mean to Sean. Jackson very good. Wide Receiver was returning kicks two years. I'm sure you know health issues to get his way he'd still be doing it. I think Preston Williams Smart enough the rake on McMillan I think I'd agree with you a bit more in the sense of I. Don't think having a linebacker quote unquote paying his dues on special teams is nearly that important and helpful to your team that having a fifth or sixth rounder who is going to go all out on those special teams would make those plays. And and is trying to get known compared to where I think here. Preston Williams returning kicks I think you need a someone who is not only incredibly talented somebody could trust somebody who saved back there and that's why I think I'm GonNa have to side with the coaching staff here and I'm pretty okay with Preston billions working on that part return team. Yeah and it's always better Siva coaches because they get paid a hefty amount wanting to make these decisions. But for me I remember I did the research last year and I can't remember I'm not GonNa sit here in search of tweet on this whole thing because my blood's already boiling but Preston Williams six five. So when you compare that to a guy that you know five eleven Jarvis Landry to me I always see these punt returner disease. shifty speedy little guys and you gotTa Golly Preston Williams. He just doesn't fit that frame and I think he was probably like foreign away the tallest. Receiver returning punts at all last season So for me, I think that they should be safe with him. You know you obviously don't want him back there I think again, we named a plethora of options they're going to have that are probably better and more effective in the receiving game. But as we've talked about time and time again, twenty twenty season uncertainties some of these players are GonNa have to step up. So I think that's Preston Williams back there We're going to shift focus to the quarterbacks and it's funny because last week we made a joke. In how you know you look at this and floors mentioned quarantining quarterbacks and we joked how maybe they should have an emergency quarterback Josh Rosen who's just kind of off by himself. If you need him in game time, you know you call upon Him Josh Rosen. Hype today asides the to coming out and wearing his shells and you know throw in fifteen yards slant route and making some throws here and there was this story from Josh Rosen, and again, we can't talk a lot about what happened. We can only report what other reporters have said or what we learned. From these players in the interviews earlier today. But Josh, Rosen apparently connected with Kim grant on a bomb and they were calling this a throw of the day. It's pretty exciting I I can I can kind of imagine you see Omar Kelly pending articles about Josh Rosen an you know his being up how much of this team wants the dolphins depend those articles and have Josh Rosen type go crazy no. I won't be surprised if we see this play come out if they have footage of it, which I'm sure they do and you know that hypes going to. Build again twenty twenty I. Don't think I'd roll the dice and maybe partways with Josh. Rosen. But all it takes is a quarterback for another team going down and all of a sudden Josh Rosen can a pretty nice draft pick where otherwise maybe could and I know we talked about preseason this being a huge chance for him and other players to showcase what they had. This is what they got this year. So Josh Rosen making the throw of the day in the ipad practice your thoughts on that and is, is there anything that we should take away from this? I. Think we're we're going to take away exactly what the dolphins to take away I don't think Josh Rosen was ever viewed as a quarterback who couldn't play in the NFL. If, you think back last season you know I think it was the most gorgeous footwork in the pocket of ever seen and there were multiple occasions where the the receivers did drop bombs from Rosen is deep ball is never been the issue but but the thing here I think we all need to keep in mind is like I said, the dolphins are gonNA. Let us know whatever they WANNA know regarding these players and you know we just saw today to ACL injuries Gerald, McCoy of the cowboys being one but I mean. Doing essential season like this well, the preseason games I mean, I'm not going to say there's a better chance that players are gonNA get injured because I don't think we really can compare the standing of their season but will we can say is that we don't know we truly don't know how you know the operating this way for this type of season. is going to impact the health of these players but I mean again, I'm not wishing injury anyone. I'm actually very excited to see someone like Philip rivers on the colts but safe Philip rivers goes down week five, six in injury. The colts are let's say six zero for the sake of they have a very good football team. You maybe are thinking let's rescue. Less try a second round pick for Josh Rosen even then I don't know if I do it because we paid a second round pick I don't WanNA come out on the street I think when you're involved the quarterback. Going even keeping a Ryan Tenneco round it saved you're going to be happy sometimes but at the end of the day, you're not winning a super bowl. Doctrine Against Ryan Tannehill but I WANNA. Keep Josh Rosen to whether we get a king's ransom forum after another year of hyper maybe. They have a master plan where we're going to see so many videos via drone of him just strong. So many bombs whereas another team does say you know what? Let's risk let's use a first round pick on Josh. Rosen were right there. I think we can do this. We'll use an you know that type of thing or Josh Rosen expenses entire. Career Miami is a backup, is what it is and you know we're happy with it I'm fine with that to the second pick I don't think I would ever be happy in any scenario especially the season of the dolphins getting back a second round pick for Josh Rosen that just isn't a deal I don't think a winning football team would necessarily make. Yeah I'm with you and I have supported Josh Rosen you know I was a big supporter of him coming up throughout the draft process hoped the dolphins drafted him we know it's in happened. They made that trade. I'm still forward again guys twenty three's younger than Joe Borough you know. What's the worst could happen? You know he's a minimal money over the next few years you're going to eventually that backup quarterback because Rancho Patrick's not going to be around forever I've no no issues with it will what I will say maybe we should reach out to the Miami Dolphins I. Mean we see the videos they're putting out in their website they are doing incredible work. I. Mean they should be able to use this adobe suite to go in there and. Edit, some of these throws in just make Josh Rosen like. Throwing passes through walls and just doing all these crazy things to build up that height because again they're town unit. So that's what I would do. I keep Josh Rosen around I would try to build up this hype again I think they're talented enough to do some you know Scorsese type things and and Drive up that interest. But one guy that is absolutely not going to ever no matter how much video editing or you know the digital staff in the Miami Dolphins do is ever going to change the way. Many of US view him is Kaelin Balaj and a little bit was reported today that aired row forced the fumble on Kayla Balaj I think he had a drop I mean this is a guy who even in this article they say he needs to have a strong kemp to. I don't know what else to say but other than I think you and I are both we were down on. Kayla. Balaj when he was decent or when the fans thought, he was decent I mean every day he just hisako goes down and I just I really don't have anything else to say then I think he'll and blogs is going to be another football team very soon. I have to keep bringing up Kaelin Balaj and I just think it's important when you're speaking about a running back to really kind of keep track of because it can be here in a minute at and gone the next ED I. There's so much. You know history of both saying how? Disappointed I. Guess We've been of Kaelin belies what we really don't see from him and what we want to see from him and I thought he was going to be. Close to a lack for making the team for the sake of I thought he was going to Kinda come in, do his thing kind of. He's been in the League for three years. At this point kind of he's a veteran. It's crazy that came Bajour veteran my buddy kinda come in do what he had to get his work done and look decent on film where it's using the third or fourth running back goal line like was last year we know isn't GonNa Fumble here is bumbling on the worst pedi practices. This is Kennedy just like I it's. Disappointing the sense I was expecting much room I expected to be kind of. A. Near Locker, the team though, and this is why should be really concerning for him to kind of be doing this type of stuff. But the two sides of every coin whether we think that the defense is playing well offenses troubles Eric Rowe it's great to see him being physical. That's why he was so strong last season he has no issue getting in people's faces of. He had. A strong season last year at it's exciting to see the dolphins actually give people contracts who Can actually play after giving that contract extension. Shadow Andrea Branch. Let's to see but I mean man I just wanted to put this Bala Jr Balaj slope here because I thought he was a relative lack and people are going to say know it was obvious. He was going to make the team. The fumbling was never an issue for him. I thought for sure he come in two three yards a carry walk right in as the third or fourth guy just because he's a veteran, he's does the system he understands. The game of football does to the point where the dolphins can trust them to get five carries a game if he needs them but I mean, this is this a good firm whatsoever. Today every answer matters more than ever before because whether it's about health deliveries or finance some things just can't wait. That's why IBM is helping businesses manage millions of calls, texts, and chats with Watson Assistant. It's conversational AI designed to help your customers, find the answers they need faster no matter the industry. Let's put smart to work visit IBM DOT COM Slash Watson Assistant to learn more. No not at all and we're talking about running backs and it just reminded me today was Patrick layers birthday. So I don't know if we're going to get this out today but happy birthday Patrick layered. He's a guy that I do things going to make the roster and You know let's just move on from Kaelin Balaj and hope that you know he proves US wrong sticks around and becomes a valuable asset, this team but. Finding pill battle for sure we're talking about the running backs. You May as well shift focus to the offensive line and we learned a lot today between Ted cares his interview and earlier this week aired flowers. We know he came off the in nineteen lists we talked about how concerning. That to us just you based on the value that he hasn't had offensive line. He is now off, we know the offensive line is going to be almost like musical chairs just like we saw last preseason to be completely honest. But as Ted Caress said, you know the best five players are going to play said he hopes he's one of them. We're just going to throw out this. I quote here and it was reported by one of the Dolphin beat writers. He asked a question to Ted Krasne asked him you know about Solomon Kinley? Getting is the starting right guard. So I don't know if it'll be reported by others, but he has it is it was asked that he was you know the starting right guard he was taking reps. Solomon. Kinley. As right guard here's what crass had to say about playing next him. It's really fun to play next to him. He works really hard. He's a cool dude and he's really working hard. We're going to need him to work hard. He's very good football player. I'm excited every time I. Get to go into battle with him. So I mean this is awesome to hear because we talked about the youth on this offensive line and how this preseason the lack of priests no preseason would affect their know their development this off season. This is great to hear this about Solomon McKinley because he was a guy that we know the dolphins traded up for the obviously very high about him but he was kind of getting lost in the shuffle when you talk about the offensive Lineman the rookie offensive. Lineman. Austin. Jackson Hunt we won't really talk about Killin that much here that he's the guy that's going out there getting reps as a starting guard that's big news to me and to hear Ted Crass. You know a guy who played against the Joe -Tuni- up in New England to sit here and have this high praise for Kinley one day in pads. I. Mean. It's pretty high praise. Obviously, we got temper expectations but. I'm excited. That's all I can say because again, the offensive line is going to be much improved this year compared to what we saw last year thoughts on Solomon Kinley and just had crassus thoughts altogether. Yeah. I was I I'm pretty excited. I guess is one way to put it because I thought for sure. It'd be an uphill battle promotes these guys on the offensive line I don't think it's. That a Lotta people around the league I mean whatever responses you WanNa listen to hear read about. Dolphins reach for quite a bit of guys at least. That's kind of the the outside thought and whether we think it's a richer, not that just kind of means that a lot of these guys need some time to develop I mean said time and time again about Jeff Austin Jackson ain't walking and being Laremy Tunsil. But we're kind of hoping these guys can grow into what we want them to be and when Robert Hunt was drafted in the second round. Big. Big Bob Hunt I guess that's my my nickname forum I thought he was going to step in at guard right away and just be a great guard. But with him, the idea is to let him play right tackle. It might take a little longer to develop, but they think it's possible and the that I didn't necessarily think it was a great idea I thought if you can plug in, play a guard and have him solidified next ten to twelve years, sign me up. But what you're seeing here is Kinley getting in the mix right away with the veterans hopefully, he can step in and you know having both those guys in the hall offensive? Line week one. would be a great thing but you know I think about fourth round tackle or guards and an offensive lineman. The dolphins taken the past and I just don't remember anything good because clearly none of them are on the team. So I was hoping you know. Kinley might arouse thinking. Kinley might take a little time. So you the Robert Hunt in their at guard and you try to figure out that right tackle maybe next year or something like that. But this is great to see. You love to see the veterans I mean with air flowers still not necessarily working. He's got get that conditioning up with with crass out there as the veteran the guy who's been around for a while saying that those praise for can leave usually is great to see. He also added about the offensive line and a whole that he loves the new terminology he thinks it's fascinating to learn another language in football as far as. To technique nuances he said he's going to do exactly what the coach asked. They're putting us in a situation to accede excited to get to work every day. That's incredible message in the sense of you know you're gonNA work. That's you know we spoke on last episode they see what men make up its Patrick couldn't everything make look obvious that, hey, you're going to be putting the bus situation you're going to have success don't worry. You'RE NOT GONNA wait a game, the offensive line especially Chris having him have that open mindset as leader is so great to see because all these young guys the hunts the Austin Jackson Julian Dan ports silly young player Michael Young Jessie Davis. He's hanging around. But. You love to see that they're all working and they understand that, hey, we know what we're going for our focus is we're gonNA come in. We're going to get better and we have an opportunity to succeed that isn't what makes thought and that's going to be the last I leave about him which is fine. You know he's out he's driving whatever but I love seeing everyone kind of bind that message crass was also asked what the offensive line could look like. His answer was right at a brand floors his mouth crass said, the best five players will play and his only job is the work and make sure he's one of those guys. He said it's a good group of good coaches to go out there and execute when the time comes Josh. There is anything huge here, but you love to hear that Kenley is out there. He's getting the saps early because I, mean these are the scrimmage, the practice the preseason game snaps for the sake of argument of the twenty twenty season. These are the key saps if we WANNA see these guys open day. Yeah, every reps going to count. That's kind of you know the mentality this off season these guys gotta go out there and instead of having those preseason games. You know knock off some of that rust and get acclimated to the NFL speed once again after having a slight off season, they got these padded practices and drone Baker said they were going out there as hard as they could. You know they were going out there and they were playing with the never say die attitude that's gone what you want. To hear in the IPAD practice I'm sure these players were hyped as we heard and You know they've all balled into Brian floor system and we're not GONNA sit here make this another you know kun-bae by how great he is but you can hear from these players and you know just how much they obviously love the game and and love what? They're building here Miami that they've all bought into Brian floors culture. It wouldn't be a health podcast out to a ton of low talk. We know Ted Caress today again spoke with the media. This is what he had to say about to his leadership i. think he always handles himself well, I. Think he's a very impressive young men I don't have too. Many nuggets for him. But I'll help him out when he needs it, which isn't often coming together. We're getting there one day at a time and then Calvin was also asked about the young quarterback in he thinks down real quick He basically said I'm only going to answer questions about the defense or Calvin Noah will not be talking about the quarterback so. We got a little bit from caress but that was all we got from these players. It sounds like to a ton of those coming along got to see some I think will Manzo of one of the local stations down there in Florida has some footage that we can imbed into the article, the finsider but. You can see him out there. He looks good it. It seems like he's all systems go and you know he's just taking it one day at a time. This is a guy that's going to just like any of these rookies and just like we mentioned are going to have to make the most of these reps but for to its own by low, you know this is a guy coming off a major injury. This is a young player that doesn't need to be rushed out there. You know we need to figure out the offensive line before we figure out what to. Do to because we know what to we like to is the future of the Miami Dolphins in Ryan Fitzpatrick quarterback and now so there's no rushing into their, but it sounds like he's coming along and you can see the videos. You can see the things at the dolphins are putting out there. He looks good. He's got fans excited and we're still again we're still waiting for this uniform picture it. It can't be that hard. You know put up the backdrop in and put him in his full uniform sent out those photos because I'm personally getting a little sick of it. Yeah I mean they wasted no time the buccaneers. Brady, and the pictures. So I. Wasn't his Chin was a uniform real quick, but they're taking their time to. Yet, to also threw a bomb to grant who nicknamed him in coverage grant also caught a bomb from. Rosen grabbing a great day. I think we're GONNA see a lot of these I guess right now second-string but they're gonNA see a lot of the second string guys are GonNa get every chance they can to look really strong. Just, because I like I said Rosen's capable in a obviously should be capable to be a franchise quarterback. So I think that's Josh ipod a little impressive that. I made sure to incorporate some to talk and you still brought him up before we even had a note about it in the run doubts let skirt to seat but men I think it's exciting I think everybody's waiting for this stuff and I kinda spoke about this on twitter earlier and there was a the Carolina Panthers posted a clip of you will not believe what Christian McCaffrey dead practice today and the second is feels like where the saw going, it's a little upsetting because training camp always had a nice fan brand to it with the tweets everything like that. The the videos they're all grainy from the crowd and we kind of a lot of people including yourself joined twitter for training camp update. So as you know, the teams start to. Tighten tighten up on these things like training camp. It's a little upsetting because it it closes off some of that passion that we obviously fans weren't going to be there this year either way but not having the reporters live tweet anything you can tell that these teams are going to start either looking forward to. Streaming entire practices and you pay to watch them or they're gonNA just post highlights on their own and make you click on their stories which again I there's no issue with that at thirteen as their brand but it's it's a little. Disappointing at again, things could go back to normal next year and and they'll be back to fans live tweeting and whatnot. But but I mean, it would have been so cool. Just to get you know twelve to fifteen different videos of to a walking out for the first time or just rolling out even if he's not completing a pass I think that's Exciting enough to see him roll out and not even throw it i. think everyone including yourself. Myself would eat that up but you know it is what it is and It's hey, we're seeing complete bombs seems clean out there. He seems healthy Kyle Vander the nose on the nail on the head There's no really points talk about it because it isn't until we seeming gametime that it really means anything. Yes and We got a little bit more Calvin Roy talk here in the first he's seventy stepped up to his press conferences it. It's hot as shit. So obviously, he's getting acclimated very nicely I think the biggest thing that bothers me and it's not only you're right I joined twitter to to see the Omar Kelly's in does and you know the fan videos to to see what the dolphins are doing but I think what bothers me most in a sit here and say you know Brian Floors. Came from New England this New England way. I'm seeing videos of Cam Newton. You know you're seeing Brian Hoyer out there throwing passes they're up there. Some reporters are up there in New England recording those practices. So so what's going on what the dolphins do and I? This is Brian floors way these vary incognito he doesn't want the media I, guess to to report anything but I think it takes way like you said a little bit of us being fans and just you know want eat it up in this year of all times you know we want to just inject much Miami Dolphins football into our veins to kind take our minds off other things. But to wrap it up of this'll be the last thing we talk about on this podcast Colvin not. We know he's a leader in on the dolphins brought him in. We know his familiarity in Brian Floors Defense He came out today in the said about being reunited with floors I WANNA be a leader on this team I. Just hope to lead by example with the where I work every day as a professional, I want to be the teammate I can be, yes I'm familiar with the defense I know how flow wants things done. You don't want onto what he passes onto the younger guys I. Think the advice that I passed onto them it's not a sprint. Fon You want to inhale as much information as you can you WANNA work, craft each and every day get better each and every day. So it's it's huge to just see what Calvin would not only means in this defense schematically. But what he means to some these younger guys and I'll throw out this last quote before I get your take on all this Jerome Baker said about Calvin was knowledge. It helps me every day since the he walks in he's been in my ear about everything and anything he's definitely been a great. Mentor, an older vet I always make fun of him because he's the second oldest player on the team. So Calvin crazy to think 'cause he's twenty nine and then Ryan Fitzpatrick thirty seven. So you know the type of knowledge he has compared a lot of these players is second non but just to hear how much he means to that defense, not only as a player on and off the field I mean it's going to do a lot for these young linebackers what are your thoughts on Calvin Noyon and defense as a whole? You know I'm excited about it because he kinda follows the same a- motions ads crass does in the sense of where just kind of focusing on every day and knowing today is in, you know the the you know the final hour something like that where everything kind of boils down because we saw the the year I brought it up. The Patriots are owned three everyone's kind of always said, the Patriots treat September is like a long gated preseason? They were all in three dolphins through. This must have been what was this twenty seventeen, twenty, eighteen, one, or two May all just kind of? At this point but Patriots, Kill Them Patriots back long playoff run Yada Yada Yada where the dolphins three and our really stumbled from there even the same thing was true in twenty thirteen dolphin started three in L. A.. B. Ran I remember Deanne Sam Spade in the corner. What did but what we're seeing here is that there isn't GonNa be a panic button. Once you know you went a couple of games that first or second loss those bad plots are gonNA creep in because these guys, these veterans, these young old veterans understand the importance of pace the importance of a sixteen game season in the importance of every game mattering every practice mattering and you know that's just kind of the key and that's what our young guys really need to. Focus on. Everybody was president practice, which is great to see other than exuberant Howard who is one of just well, players on. In the entire NFL who are on the with list that is incredible to see. That is absolutely fantastic. That's roughly twenty, five, hundred players only twelve, the list hopefully exit on there too much longer. Hopefully, we see him out there battling with Devante Parker soon enough that'd be a lot of the citing. It's really cool. Seek videos of devante Parker walkout appealed saying, let's get to work I'm ready as a veteran, a guy who's actually been there done the that now something we've been hoping we can say for years. So that is great to see as well. Josh I mean we have football news going forward. This show was a little on the lighter side. We're going to try to build up to two shows a week now with everything that's going on in terms of football news in order to just kind of keep talking about it. This is what we wanted. Everybody was saying that. When they're on the field of seemed weird to not have a mascot. Instead of you know we've had passed on for so long. It seemed weird that football was the biggest thing for three hours I mean we're getting more and more of that as we get closer to the season you. It's great to see. You love to see it Josh. Is football season my friend be shirt to hit that subscribed by out there who's listening it helps us out so much leave a five star review again, we can't thank you enough. We can't thank you enough to our listeners who take the time to listen to our show and make it possible. So Josh, any last thoughts? No. Man I'm with you glad we finally have padded practice. Glad. We can see these little instagram videos like you said, these teaser these guys running out of the tunnel drone Baker dancing. It's all we have right now to to see what teams doing and I'm excited. So if you want to make sure you're there when doing shows a week hit that subscribed by leave a review leave rate helps us out. So so much helps us kind of spread our wings quite a bit for the Jacob Josh Show on Jake we'll see got sued and most importantly. INSIDE RADIO PART OF INSIDER DOT COM, and the SP should that Miami Dolphin raise? The ball from goal to goal I know. We're on the ground always in control. 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Combine Recap - OL, RB, & ST + Player Interviews

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

42:45 min | 9 months ago

Combine Recap - OL, RB, & ST + Player Interviews

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. We're GONNA move the sticks coming to you live from. What is this Lucas oil? Yeah Look as Stadium Apple Issue Indianapolis right here. Yup Combine Day to a workouts are wrapping up behind us. He's a long days long days the same amount of time. Everything's blending together but we're here. We saw the offensive line. We saw the running backs work and Man. We had some standout performances. So what are we? GonNa do today. Show real quickly. We're GOING TO RECAP THE OFFICER. Lyman running backs and especially workouts. We ON LISTEN TO TRUST IN WORSE. Iowa who had a terrific combat will interview him. Jake Osborne for a little bit and the Andrea Swift from Georgia. Outstanding running back. We'll talk to him but I because they have a man lands. Zee on the bike as we always have to store with the offense alarm whenever he's on it kind of have a soft spot in his heart by overall lance. This is talk about the workhouse who stood out to you who you most impressed with. So let me just say this I that second group of Offensive Linemen. That's the freaky is bunch of height weight. Speed length. I I haven't seen anything like that in a single group in my life a real group. It was unbelievable to see these guys. Now let me start with the first group MCI Becton when he ran five one. Oh just just the way he looks no one else almost. Nobody's ever run a five one. Oh at that size. You know what I heard because when I was watching him and I was a lot of stuff moving but I heard Ching Ling Ling Ling Ling. Five one zero at this is with their display. Plus the tape. You can book. He's going to be a top ten pick. People are going to be excited. Not only about him but the other guys in this officer tackle class. Yeah Hey he also had twenty. Three reps with people may say well. That guy has thirty aren't on the power and his upper body when you watch them play is substantial so he made himself money guy that I think had the best workout for me was tryst and worse and Tristan. Worth's is you and I talk about this. Some time off the air with the explosiveness and the hips when you see high vertical Johnson and long broad jumps. That's going to translate into fast forty. Joyce talk with this guy hit high vert. He hit a long broad jump. He was tops in his class. Then he was tops in his class with the forty I mean and then when he moved on the field it's not like he was a workout warrior. This guy was his mirror. His redirect his changed a direct. Everything was so smooth. So so tell me what did you think about him when you watch the tape. Because I watched the tape. I thought he was a dude. I was just going back into my notes. I gave all these guys the same great at offensive tackle. Becton symbols worse all gave. I gave them all the same exact great when it came down to it. Now how are we stacked on our stack them wills than have worse than ahead back then but I think it just it just comes down to preference but what did you think about him coming into some big so I had them in like the twenties of this class and this is what I this is what I thought I thought he is has? Outstanding athleticism unbelievable quickness off the off the snap peaking gets any reach blocks asking him to do a lot outside zone stuff which is great at over sets a lot which I talked to him. A little bit about after Yeah and he talked about just he gets so excited he was wants to jump out on everything. That's going to get corrected. I'm not worried about it what I didn't see as much as I didn't see him drive people off the balls around blocker when he was based up and it's strange because I don't see him bending get up under guys. I don't see as much nasty like I WANNA see. Once the Andrew Thomas is nasty interesting worse as body it. I'm not saying he's not trying to grab your snatch you up and and finish but I wanNA see a little more dog from a because everything else is there were. Here's what I'll say interviewing him really. Nice Guy Yeah Really Nice Guy Really Nice get really Kinda gets together Really understand and articulate everything that he wanted to do what he wants to do on the field high. He wants to play what he learned from his time at Iwa. Sometimes I think guys like that. He's best suited to play in his own skin. I'm not saying that you can't be up physical player in his own scheme but I do think there's something different to play in zone scheme than opinion. Poll scheme where you down and around. And it's a little more context and you're playing at angles with him because he's so light on his feet but he's so nimble climate to the second level maybe he'll never be a a a master but and a certain system where you talk about one to get the elephants on parade. He can do that. He can do really really well. I think one thing you Gotta. Watch on tape that you're kind of bring me back to something remember and I wrote him so far back on the outside zone. The one thing he needs to do is he needs to get vertical with the guys. Once he gets them gets up on their you know gets up on their shoulder he needs to drive them. He needs to really work on not letting them stay flat. He needs to create better angles for as running back by driving them up the field and when you see him really shine all the highlight reel stuff. We had an. Nfl network is when he's in space and he's uncovered and he's able to move and show his athleticism. I WANNA see him really take people and move them with all that power. All that explosiveness. We see soon back. Then I it's funny because when I talked about like Iowa's lifting program he talked about the Olympic lifts. Do THEY DO Power Cleans Snatches yeah squads single squats all those things that are conducive to developing the power that you talk about being able to move the furniture. He does need to do a better job of moving the furniture but the athleticism is something that is really intriguing. Nothing with the reputation of Iowa and how those guys play. He's going to benefit for. It's GonNa be interesting to see how this tax out on draftees tackle or guard. I just think when I hear people make comments about him being you know a power guy this. That isn't what he is. I mean he's his own guy. He is definitely a guy he played in his own game. He talked about his own scheming. And what they did. I don't necessarily project as a guard. I think he's too talented to athletic team to to move inside. I'm not saying that you waste Gore's they guards can be affected and not pivotal. But I think this guy's a right or left tackle you. Give him every opportunity to fail and Dan. If he's somehow bombs then you move inside. I think he's an excellent player. let's talk about. Judge Wills May Alabama because thirty four and a half inch vertical ramp for over five ref five five into forty and when you watch him into drills man. I mean this is clinic tape. His foot work His balancing bite control Very impressive so when I grade it on my head wills. Is the clear cut number one in this class and it's because of you know the footwork you talked about the body controlling everything. It's really good. Then you met you laid it out perfectly. His past pro stuff at right. Tackle is so clean and so smooth and so fluid I. I'm really curious if it could click on the other side I mean I I think now because I think he has the feet well. What's interesting is like? These guys are both playing right tackle and I talked to worse about the right. Tackle was always viewed as the throwaway position. The inferior position Not Necessarily in today's game but it's interesting that you know man. These guys on campus are not playing what we call the Marquis spot on the office. Line at left tackle. They kept him at right. Even after graduation and defections they still stated those spots. You just wonder why didn't will ever move to the blossomed. But actually when they flew leatherwood over there to to Yeah that is. That is a blind spot. Yeah that's a good point. It is obliged to send the guy for two and a half years and he's played guard. He's played tackle. But I'm GonNa tell you the thing that really stood out to me was he's nasty and he moves people. You WanNa Talk I. I didn't see worse. Get up under guys exploded. Hips a into Defenders Wills likes to impose his will against opponents. And he's got that people mover Meant not only mentality. But he's got the technique he's got some technique to abandon. Get up and move them around. And so it's Kinda rare from for me nowadays AC- that level of dry blocking like you might see what the power guard and then see the sweet feet to be able to get out and then redirect on inside moves. I just think wills I think wheels has it all Including a bad attitude in a good way of course and then the way he ran today. Like wow man. What an athlete. What if he has a nasty? So here's the conversation because you talked about worse being Look more of a finesse player and then you have Macabre Becton who what do you think about him in in the Journal? He didn't get a chance to work. He had he had thing. Yeah so what do you think about by Becton in general I like McKee back then. I think that MCI Becton. You're projecting a little bit because The level of competition sometimes wasn't as good across from them and then he beat up on swallow guys like he didn't have a lot of big strong dogs across from minutes has nothing to do with. Leon Yeah Yeah. Yeah so much money for kids like it. I mean I like it but there's not gonna be as many kids that he's going up against on the next level so I still think. He needs to learn to planner control because sometimes he gets a little out of control Alaikum as a run blocker. I think he's got a lot of potentials run blocker. I think his best football is ahead of them. But I think like wills to me you can plug and play. And he's going to be nice. I think worse will plug and play an Andrew. Thomas Becton has one of the highest upsides. But he may the the row may be a little bumpy scheme really matters for him. Yes thinking of last year Diller audrey diligent went to the Philadelphia Eagles County in that light. I think he's more past and run past. Whatever like he's he's finding the run game he's credibly we service so he moved people off the ball but I think the stress of his game live baller. I mean he is size but techniques. Go to get a lot better. Yeah so you wanted. I think game is important. You mentioned Andrew Thomas He was okay Twenty one hundred minutes is fine Five to two in the forty s fine to just stands out when you have these other guys that are flying. What do you think about him? Where does he stuck in the mix with these guys? I think after the workout today he's GonNa end up being fourth and kind of like you said I mean for me I always had it wills and then I thought it was very close between Beckton worse in Andrew Thomas in terms of being in a general sense like a general sense I would have them somewhere between eighteen. Forget team needs and all that stuff somewhere between eighteen and twenty twenty four. I like I like them. However Andrew Thomas I love the fact that he gets guys blocked and he finds ways to get things done but when it comes to traits Becton Scott him when it comes to fluidity and movement and athleticism worse has them when it comes to both wills. Hasn't so you start adding it up and you start to wonder. Who is there any chance at Austin Jackson because you know he looked fluid and athletic? Today is only way he could step up. I thought Josh Jones from U. OF H. Actually hurt himself today. I didn't think he looked to smooth out here is I was. I thought he was going to be wonder top athletes and he didn't look is Just didn't like he was as comfortable as in rhythm as the way that he displayed a little bit at the senior bowl. Austin Jackson is interesting. Austin Jackson talked about a chance to talk to him. Talk about how it took him a while to kind of reset and get right after having The surgery in the summer where he donated his Bomar to his his sister and so I wonder if that impacted the film if now he's fully healthy and fully recovered and now we're seeing the talented version of the guy that came into. Esi with a lot of the claim. I will tell you I I have Andrew Thomas Ahead by decent amount on Austin Jackson. Virtually I liked football player. I'm just saying the way that it gets laid out by people graft no. It's just the way it goes now. Andrew Thomas to me. I feel safe at the Andrew Thomas. I think he's a safe player but he doesn't have those those certain things that pop for team so it could hurt him a little bit in his draft saying he's GonNa be a first rounder. Look Man I think now we come down to it. We could be looking at six office of tackles that carry first round grace. It's possible when it's all said and done because especially down at the bottom of their first round where you have a couple of teams that can eat them. The Green Bay packers could use one. Depend on what happens in Tennessee with Jack. Conklin they could use one Austin Jackson Josh Jones. Those guys ca-canada sneak in the back door and he first round pick so this is off the subject just a little bit of of just offensive lime. But we're talking about four. Maybe five quarterbacks does the deep wide receiver draft. We've seen in years and we saw some guys show out yesterday. We're talking about minimum. Four offensive tackles and maybe five and you said as many as six who's falling like who's going to fourth position groups so I think a couple different ways to look at it I think the two positions that could be victimized by the talent other places running back edge rusher. Yes because I think there's a huge drop between I say after Gross Meadows. Yeah any other. I think if you talk about Chase young then you bring in chasing chasing and being a conversation how sure epinay Sur Yup was really a lot you know you know not a real edge as much as at the end and then those tight ends no titans and I mean it's going to be hard for us because at some point one or two things going to happen either people are going to look at wide receivers and say we'll wait. Achiness I think I think as much as we get excited about it because we love seeing the ball hit the paint. There's so many of those guys that why would you be in a rush to get one? Yeah A lot. Gaza comparable skills We've seen guys in the second row. Pop Yeah I think what we're looking at the first round being populated with office of tackles quarterbacks. Moselle the position that we we talked about a quarterback's offensive tackles and wide receivers but maybe not a ton but we know the top guys but enough yeah so back to the office to as we talked about six going the guy who made a strong case for himself was tristen worst from Iowa. Let's let's listen what he had to say follow? His workout joined the mood. Six Park has one of the stars of the twenty twenty. Nfl Scott encountered a standout office trends. How you doing man? I'm doing pretty good and what you're doing pretty good because you killed it or you pretty good just because you feel good. It's all over a little bit of both Liverpool. So just so we know like me. I'm I'm just GonNa read these numbers the best vertical at thirty six and a half inches. You brought up was one twenty-one best at a group forty four eight five which also was the best. So did you say it's mission accomplished? Yeah I'd say so. Good Day so now. I don't know of many of us knew that you were this kind of athlete. Are these kind of numbers that you expect to depose when you're working out I think The vertical I was excited. I knew I wanted to hit thirty six on the Friday before we came here I've never ran a time. Forty so out that maybe my sophomore year high school. Wow but never in college and then The broad jump I was I was pretty pumped about that and the Best I've ever hit was nine eight feeling pretty good today. Yeah you're feeling that is okay so you have a long story. History of producing talented offensive. Lineman at Iowa what is it about the Hawkeye tradition that enables you guys to quickly translate international fully. I think it's the culture there you know we we come in every day You know a lot of colleges pry pregnancies becoming ready to work It's a different type demeanor at Iowa though You know you're you're held to a higher standard. You're you're held accountable for your actions. Coastal oil you know as a no-nonsense kind of Guy Coach. France was no line coach. Bryan was the line coach. Coach Morgan who who's still hanging around the building. A little bit wasn't line coach. So it's I mean it's hard not to go there and not be somewhat successful. You know so when watch tape. Obviously you plan right tackles the athleticism stands out your climb and get to the second level but when you watch your cell phone where we say the strengths of your game on I think I'm a pretty powerful guy. I think I can move. Guys off the line of scrimmage Throughout my hips. I'm pretty powerful Like you said. I think I'm pretty athletic. I can pull out and get out in space. Really well There's a clip of that against USC. Or you know. We ran over I came back out to a safety You know I think I think number one be pretty powerful you know so there's a lot of not necessarily confusion but typically in in back in the old days the right tackle was viewed as inferior to the left tackle position Do you believe your guy that can play on both sides? Do you believe you should go inside to play the next West? Best position for you. You know I think I can go back and forth. Showed it multiple times a season. You know our love tackle went down and I I flip back and forth in the middle of games did in the middle of drives at on certain players. I'd have to play left a ride. Just that's how it game planned it So you know. I think I've shown that I can do both If a team needs me to go to guard I think I've never done it before. Bragging PRI- PRI- figured out all I'm trying to get on the field so it's funny because I don't know how much you pay attention to the headlines but there hasn't been a lot of conversation with Trista being maybe the best offensive tackle in the class. If you could have a chance to kind of advocate for yourself as to why you may be the best offensive tackle in this class. What would you say? Oh Boy You know there's some pretty good tackler class. I'd say I met. You know I got to meet a lot here This week and hang out with the mom you know I think you know I kinda showed prove people wrong with how they were saying. I wasn't Atlantic Maybe that's why I wasn't you know didn't get the hype of the number one spot so prejudic- no check out my numbers today. Speak for herself. Okay so we're done with the combine. We're done with some of the stuff but we still have pro days and private workouts. What are some of the things you want to work on going into that phase of the evaluation process Continue continue to Study film really well and and maybe maybe get a little bit like NFL style. Offense were you know I was a pro style team. You know we do a lot of You know we're big inside outside zone so Learning more Nfl Vocabulary in you know interview interview with teams. Kinda trying to press them where you definitely impressed scouts. Today which your performance combat we look forward to watch you. Continue to improve and to continue to be a dominant player to the next level. Thanks for joining us. Thank you last. He was very impressive Just talking to him his ability to play on both sides of the line like he alluded to he talked about playing left and right tackle this year. said he'd be willing to move in the guard. I think is a situation where he's super talented. The athleticism is going to pop a lot of office of line coach. Their first exposure to them you guys are GonNa Fall in love with him. He's going to be a guy that kind of clouds. I even already near the top. He's going to be gotta climb just some of those draft room so I'm looking at the running backs who worked out and one of the things I was talking about was some of their outside zone stuff and how they had the running backs where their track was in. And it's one of the interesting things about how certain coaches have tighter tracks with running back and they look for cutbacks and others like the flow wide. And I'm looking at Johnston Taylor because Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin to me is another brand of Iowa right. They play the sink. Say See a lot of inside outside zone. You're going to have some penpal. You're going to have some gap. I mean they'll run variety of running run games games but Jonathan Taylor is a player who has seen here on a four three nine official forty. He was a track guy in high school. And what I really like about him is that he is seen so many eight man fronts. He is had problems at quarterback where no-one respected the passing game right. They didn't have respect so he's had so many extra guys adding into the box and yet he processes it. He runs between the tackles. He's he's carried. He's carried a heavy workload and even after getting over nine hundred touches in three years. Here he is running a four three nine like in Los Speed. No I mean I think that's impressive. the funny thing is talking to running backs coach this trying to figure out what to do with him Because of the Ghost Wisconsin backstage. Pass you just wonder where he fits in. That's a real thing isn't it is a creative enough. Is He straight line? Does he have the ability to really make plays in the passing game when you look at him compared to someone to others it doesn't Flash Sometimes. I contend it might be their uniforms Maybe something about the uniforms are flash enough so you don't regard them in that manner but I will say this about Jonathan Taylor. The production is spectacular The speed is real and you understand how real it is based on how he tested. He showed that he can carry a heavy load. Where does he stack he? Kinda is penalized because their office align has always been traditionally good. You don't see him get hit in the backfield. He typically Kinda gets four or five yards before year's contact good player in a draft where you have a ton of good players at the position. Does he stand out enough to war consideration. I mean to me. There's only one guy who stands out enough to be to warrant consideration. He also wore sweet bright white shoes today and that was Dra SWIFT enemy. You WanNa talk about standing out. Those white shoes may everything every movement dot dot dot. Yeah I mean that's just like in the All Star game of baseball. Remember when they used to the national league players would wear whites they gotta flex the All Star Games. Yeah wear white look good yeah look a little glossy paint stands out. You're right about the Andrea Swift to Couple running backs coach they were like mandate guy has it all he can pop. Iv called him. I mean you wrestling fans understand. I call him LEX Luger. He told her back. Because when you watch him he can do it. You WANNA run inside. He can do it handled between its act because you can go to remedy guests ball out of the backfield. He Solid Pass Protection. He has homerun ability. You put four four eight there with it. He just Kinda confirms that he's a special athlete. He has all the qualities is just a matter of. When do you pull the trigger? Because I don't see him in the same light Zeke and girly in those guys but I do see him as a first round pick. We may not hear his name called until the twenties until the bottom of the first round might be where he comes off two or three down player he caught it really nice out. Here's very smooth. One of the things I really like about him is he stays low to the ground in he plays with band and so when he catches he can catch tug and go very quickly on the flat stuff that there were throwing them He has low mileage on the ODOMETER. Which helps he can play all three downs. And the thing that that I think is very special with a lot of people won't recognize that you will not only can. He make people messing a second level but on the third level and I know people will probably assume that everyone can do that. You'd be surprised. How the creative creativity of some runners once they get to the third level. They're they're running so fast that they really can't get an angle on the safety and safety gets down on him. He's one of those guys sets up second and sets up third level guys and he cuts without losing any speed at all. Yeah I saw a stat on our network. That was kind of ridiculous Three seasons with twelve hundred plus rushing yards in each of those seasons here. Few Two hundred carries. That's insane so that that speaks to what you're talking about can dance at a second level. He understands how to get home. And when you're talking about the third level some people have a knack for putting the ball in the paint on those long runs other guys can't get away. He has that ability that separates them one other guy that stood out Cam Acres from Florida state. I've kind of been on the CAM. Acres parade touted his potential. I've taught touted what he could do. At the next level he gave us a little taste of it. Four four seven into forty When you look at the drills guy has gray feet great feel great balanced great body control. terrific Playmaker in the past game catch the ball easily. I say this Dalvin Cook Pop. There's a second round pick can make he's GonNa pop. Is the second one picking the National Football? I'm GonNa tell you something. His tape. I I came away in so when he eh. Ti came together When I say came together the same same year. They were both the hot names. Acc and I watched their rookie tapes. I was writing a summer tape series on guys to watch next year. Not for the draft. Just in general I was like ooh cabinets. He entered Nice. I like campaign and then I watched at the end this year. I really liked it at the end. You went back to school so I turned on camera. I'm not really there's no. I'm not hearing anything about him. You must not have been very good Florida. State's not very good very good. I turn the tape on. Offense align is not good cam is getting his creating for himself. And I had Kirby Wilson wants told me great running back coach rest he said Lance. You gotta find guys who can create. There's three ways wiggle power or speed. Yeah and he's a guy that creates with three different. He has three different mechanisms to create and I just his tape. He has guys on him so he has to have great agility to be able to create early. Because not everyone has that like Aj. Dylan you don't want to have to do that. He doesn't have the James Connor. Couldn't do that Cam. Acres can create from anywhere on the field. And he's had to. Can you imagine how easy it's GonNa feel for him when he gets to an NFL team if they can block it up a little It's GONNA be so easy form. It's going to be so easy for me feet. They can just get them to the second level. He's going to be able to put the ball consistently in the pain and with his ability. Cashable in space and do some some rows from in the backfield and I think outside of the backfield. He's one of those new school. Rb Ones that we fall in love. I think he's going to have a chance. Look we we. We can't we can't close the discussion without look. Dj's was probably going crazy in the booth. When his Guy Darren Evans rent a four four one? He had twenty reps on the bench for us. But the speed. And when we talked to I had a chance to talk to Scott Satterfield yesterday and he said Look Guys GonNa fly. Yeah coach I know. He's you know he's fast or whatever four for one it's fast. What have you seen for memo tape? Man He has he shifty. He catches a ball. Well you know what he is. He's a perfect fourth. He's a perfect late third to early fourth-round back who you say. Look we're not going to give you the ball every every down. We're GonNa let you be running back by committee and then all of a sudden before you know you're leaning on a more heavily and more heavily. He's an investment in a player. Who you know has got a chance to hit chunk place for you. I like him a lot now. Sometimes people don't realize when I say a fourth-round back fourth-round back certain types of backs that doesn't mean I don't like them. I mean ideally suited to be Puerto rotation candidate. Just missing something that prevents them from being. He's not a big RB ONE. So when you think of a smaller guy he's going to have to plan rotation he's going to have to come to be part of that Running back by committee situation. And that's fine. You just have to know going in Dessau. He's going to be picked Twenty reps by the way on the best. The kid got some strength. It does as one of the quick the PAC twelve country. Everyone Loves Zak Moss. Moss is super productive You're here on the twitter verse. People Express their disappointment in his forty time for six five. Don't overreact to the forty time now. His game was never about speed. His game was about Being able to make people miss finishing with power running through contact being kind of like a war daddy when it comes to be an every down back. I'm not dissuaded at all Zag I think he is what he is. He's always been one of those guys that was paid to go three through five. I think that's kind of where he is. Nice and the drills too nice great. Ceo Nice neutral. He's going to be a good player. He's going to be one of those guys that falls in the rotation but I love him. I think he's a he's a hardcore head banger. One of the guys that I also love didn't get a chance to fully participate In combine. But he's he look. He's a Bucky Brooks favored that is jk DOB from Ohio state. Got a chance to catch up with him. What running backs were working out? This list of what he had to say. Join the move the sticks podcast Ohio state standout JK Davos. How's Everything Man House? Combine treating is great. It's been a great process You know it's a blessing to even be here. You know so. Obviously you did not get opportunity to work out in front of the scouts but allowed to combine is behind the scenes to interviews and the one on one conversations that you have with scouts and executives. How's that process for you I think it was amazing. You know got to meet some of the guys and you know disarm who I am as a person I think. I think that helped me out a lot. You know you went to a great institution when all your stage. Your football program has been top notch. You've got a lot of guys go To the national football the have. You had a chance to talk to someone gas. We've been in the league. What kind of advice have they given you to prepare yourself to go play in Nashville? So Terry McLaren which is like one of my best friends you know. He gave me a lot of advice. You know in one of the things was to stay true to myself. Don't change you know because you know being an NFL. Being all around the the veteran guys you know you might try to. You know do things as not for you and so that was one of the things he told me and then he also told me they just soak in on information from the veterans. You know you're close to a veteran and you know. Ask them what I need to do. And figure out the place from veteran. You know. We're making a walk here to the chairs. We talked about competing talking about man. This is killing you not being able to compete with the guys here but higher statement five stars everywhere a lot of competition just to get on the field then environment how that environment should prepare to play will at the next level. Yeah so Ohio state. We compete in everything we do. You know Coach make does a great job with the strategic additioning. You know making everything a competition. You know it doesn't matter what drills anything we're doing competition and they make sure you know if you lost there so I think that definitely you know Brad me into something that just wants to eat up the competition you know. I heard this year going into your final season. You decided to kind of make some changes to your diet. You really dedicated yourself to approach the game like a pro. What did you do in terms of nutrition your diet? What were some of the things? You did preparation-wise Tip You have a great final season. So Yeah I went Vegan for two months. That was like it was super hard. it was definitely different. It was something different. You know a lot of you know fries and stuff like that because around around the facility at college you know some of my team as they sit down with a triple stack burgers. It's like it's like man you see me right here. You see that I'm doing a diet. So why are you over here with me but yeah it was definitely tougher? You know I did extra things that to help. Recover Kreil flow tanks. Anything hyperbaric chambers. I did all that stuff in and it definitely benefited me in my game so you feel like it impacted your game in a positive way you felt like this was the best that you felt on the field and that's why your performance was such. Oh Yeah yes sir. No doubt So as as you spin it for there's been a little bit of conversation about the running back position in whether it's devalued. Tell me why running backs are still important to lead offense Yes oh running-backs do everything we bought. We catch we run. You know so to say is devalued by some people. I honestly think we're one of the most important things besides the lion and the quarterbacks but you know because we got a block and we also have to transfer information you know back there with a quarterback because we have to pick up our blitzes so we got a notice the coverages and what blitzes are coming. We've got to know a lot of things so I think you're a pretty important. So when you look at the national football the running back that you pattern your game after Definitely Christian McCaffrey I love his game so much Actually talked to Him. Today are the today and he was he. He's a great guy and I just WanNa myself after him you know he's successful in the NFL. I liked the way. He just operates. So you didn't work out now but you work on your pro day. When is your program? What what you plan to do Marchesoni faith and I'm going to do everything you know. I'm around my forty and do the drills in my forties going to be pretty fast. Oh so we're excited to see it. take place. We can look forward to going to stay seeing you perform at the end of March. Best of luck to you. Thanks joined the move six pack. Thank you for having me last. I really like Dobbins I. I think he's pro. And I talked to a couple of running. Best coaches about him. They said man. He is so impressive in the interview. Part of it he gets it he locks in. He makes eye contact. He has good quest- is great answers. understands more than just a surface level of playing the position All of them to amass said. Oh He's GonNa be going real when he gets his opportunity. You know what I really liked about him as they needed him. He was a certain kind of back when he came man and this year they needed him to be a bully. So you know what he said he said. Okay we'll give me the ball between the tackles and let's get to work. I'm not going to be a flashing Dash. You know like he was when he was a freshman this year they needed him to. Oh we need you to take it for thirty carries and see what you can do. Not Oh you need to play Jonathan Taylor not a problem. I can do that to watch this. He was so physical between the tackles. He he his contact ballots inability to to break tackles and finish runs. I was super impressive. He's clearly He can be dangerous out of the backfield when you need them to be. I mean I just I just think he is a appro you know he. He's he's a pro. Yes Gaza resident. He's a pro. He plays it the right way. He does your waste of he is going to be a standout pro and then the next guy is going to be a standup pro. We talked about him. We talked about this. We feed the white shoes. De'andre swear from Georgia had a chance to catch up with him after the workout. This list of what he had to say about his chance joined the move. The sticks podcasts. Joy Standout running back Andrea Swift Deandra. How was the comma how to treat you? It was great. It was great to get out here and just compete Greg Cooper bags but I am competing When I talked to a lot of running backs coach is about you. They were very very impressed with not only how you handled your business on the field. But how'd you handle interviews and workouts? Take US behind the scenes. How was the interview process for you on? I thought it was. It was amazing Myself Answer every question. They had I think coach. Check me on the board and stuff but responding quickly and. I'm just being confident in them. You know when I look at you. Play accounted WTI natural. Because everything you do it seems really easy to run inside outside kissing ball. Out of the Backfield Today's game running backs out to be able to do a variety of different things When you develop those skills to be able to not only runner cats in kind of make impacts in a variety of ways does God bless when a tremendous amount as goggin ability? But on some gotta work at please. Seven seven I was younger. I would play in the slot Just to do different types of stuff like that to make me so I am. I start a place where we're going to be used different and various amount of different ways. So it's funny when you say like seventy seven you used in the slot because at Georgia. They didn't fully use utilize you like that. Is that one of the hidden talents in. Nfl team will get in. They can kind of expand the packaging repertoire. How to use you most definitely I did a little bit my freshman year because I was behind too great back some so. That's how I kind of felt my way On the field definitely in practice just playing at the F. and a slight and just knowing who office sake that'd be used that way so it's funny because that way is really popular because there are a lot of people that Are Looking for the next Alvin. Kamara because Alvin Kamara was able to make such a splash When you look at his game or anything that you see in his game or any other. Nfl running back that you kinda copying pick and try to your death. I love his game him a Christian. Mccaffrey to see how I can be used God willing when I get picked Just being in space create mismatches. Making people miss and open being lined up outside is how to use them to different backs. Various amount of weeks. So I it's funny because Georgia and last couple of years you a running back factor when it comes to the National Football League Utah girly and Sunny. Michelle and others made their way into the league. What is it about playing down in between the hedges that enables you guys to kind of transition easily into the National Football League Just just the history behind it and I think called Smart Kinda held to a standard everyday in practice. I mean no days off So you can pete everyday in practice where the economy the game will be easier. Stop Thinking starts without practice so I think about those practice habits outside of like what coach. Martyrs. What are some of those other guys that have gone on to the NFL? What have they told you about playing in the League Just stand ready. GotTa Give Ready. Always asking questions. And now it's always being really mature Had been trae young as especially coming in Early and planning a guru early on so having having mature had coaches. Trust you knowing playbook just on K. Yourself like there's like a pro so we think about you We we've done to combat. We got private workouts. It prochet workouts on. What are some of the other things that you want to showcase innovative writers as we kind of finish up this very impressive Just on I'm consistent with catching a ball Whenever they see what they wanted me to do Willing to work I any position that they want me to Willing to just get better. You know man we. We've seen your improve a ton during your time at Georgia. We continue to look forward to developing and become the dominant player day. We think you will be at the next thanks to join the mood of sixteen appreciate lands. We're excited about swift. And what he would be at the next level. Here's the perfect name for perfect man. Perfect name I bet you ask them. Customize cleese audit of all flash and all that when he gets into the league great player. Total package Ironic can catch. It can do all the things that you WANNA see. Plus he can kind of carry the workload It'd be interesting to see him away from Georgia when someone gives them the opportunity to really be a work meeting twenty to twenty five touches all the time consistently making him to focal point of the game. I WanNa see that version of the Andrea Swift. And how he responds to having responsibility on his shoulders. I hope Georgia at some point. Find some running back talent because you know tire girly Nick Chubb Sony Michelle De'andre Swift. This is ridiculous every year every year. They can't do it so we can't. We can't finish as special teams player. I have to talk about special teams. So we had a partner Turk punter from Arizona State A pumped out twenty five reps on the bench. Michael Turk Matt Turks nephew here in his arms. My scatter poured says well. My very first strength says well muscled with arms. That looked like logs. Yes he is yoked. He's been spending a lot of time in a way room. He does he rent a rent. A four seven nine forty. I don't know what whatever is on the cut. Tight Nice and tight on Mad Turks so look at the Piney will. I don't know what it means. But he's strong strong. Sauerbrun used to be back in the day. Oh Yeah Todd like to tie to lift. I talked to some special teams coaches who they were actually underwhelmed by a lot of performance today but they did single out Tommy town from punter from from Florida. Whose brother was also an all American Florida and Tyler Bass who had a really good senior bowl from Georgia. Where's he from Georgia southern? I think it's Georgia southern so. Yeah he had a good senior bowl and he's followed it up with with a good combine. They weren't as high on some of the other guys. And I kind of like the the class of special teams guys this year. But special teams coaches weren't in that included Rodriguez blankenship that included brandon man from From Texas am in even Turk. They said they. They didn't think they had great workouts today. So I talked to a special teams coach and he was worried about that. Setup the new format that we have yeah he said it's a long time for kickers and punters to go without putting because they came in on Monday Chance they haven't had a chance to kick and so on Friday so if you think about going four days without kicking being in a routine they didn't have an opportunity to continue to sustain rhythm and you know ponds and kickers golfers you gotta always kind of. Get them to drive. A range got always find tune to think and so maybe that lead to some of the suspect performances dead coach talking about. I didn't realize they had that big gap along yet. Like so these guys. Many of them haven't kicked upon since the previous Friday seven days ago without kicking Harper Gadsden individual workouts. They'll they'll still get their shot at individual workout. So and you know what what two or three special teams coaches say doesn't mean that the twenty nine feels the same way it's worth noting it will. It will be interesting so tomorrow. We have an opportunity to see the defensive side of the Ball D. Line. Linebackers gives a chance. Those guys run Does that mean as is in the building. Db's altogether with the DVD. So we've got to win a I. Guess I mean. Does he work out? Twice like Gebriel PEPPERS DID. Didn't you liked linebackers agency? Were win in. Where is it? Emits shows up when he shows up but the D. Line should be impressed. Browns in a building. Dairy Brown is into building. A man talked about people. Talking about daybreak. Can't wait to see dared Brown. Andrew Thomas talked about Derrick Brown being a grown man to these the best one that he's faced in SEC. So we'll get a chance to see that so. 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"We are just nine days away now from the start of the NFL. Draft the bengals round the clock? We take a look at the first round. They got the top pick the dolphins though the most first round selections they have three as we say. Hello and welcome to our sportscenter. Special Milk Hyper Juniors. Mock draft four point. Oh clearly hyper is with us. So too is Adam schefter and Dave Nagy. Let's get right into this. When Mel in your four point Oh that was released today. You have three quarterback sewing in the top ten four in the first round but the water here may surprise some folks Mel who you have I to the Bengals Joe Borough easy call. They really have no other way to go. Chase young didn't perform up to the level expected in those final free games registering no sacks. Patty done that. Maybe it would have been a discussion. But certainly Joe per year he had on one dame below seventy one percent that was the national championship game. He's at sixty three three with five touchdowns a no pets. I said all. I don't remember a quarterback you could ever say at any point this year. You would never think he was anything but elite player. He didn't give you any cause for concern. Ever this season from start to finish through the process has got to be Gerald Show Borough Cincinnati Bengals. Unless THEY GET. I mean you could talk about what teams would give up. It would have to be a ton of draft picks and then I would be hesitant to give up an opportunity to get yo borough having said that Mel really you have not budged on this from mock to mock. This has been pretty much the same situation. So is this a sure thing at this point? You know I gotTa believe it is when you're in the division Lamar Jackson which you are and you got Baker Mayfield and you know. Pittsburgh is going to figure out quarterback after Big Ben then here. You are an opportunity to get a great quarterback who you're going to get if you don't get him. Where are you going to go if you move down as organic guarantee if you move to five and let Miami get them? The two would still be there. Five able to charge us with jump up and get them. And then you lose the top quarterback so again. Maybe they love Justin Herbert if they do. Ba guaranteed to Herbert so again. You think about where they are with quarterbacks. I think they're all close enough. Then you think about moving. Then if you think borough is head and shoulders above the rest you gotta take them number one Adam schefter. Let's assume that that's in fact what they do. Is this a good fit for the Cincinnati? Bengals when did you wind up going number one most likely the Cincinnati bengals right? It's hard to imagine a no scenarios. Mel had alluded to that. No team could come up with enough ammunition to go up to number one to go job and so you get a guy right. Now who basically is from Ohio whose girlfriend lives in Cincinnati Zach? Keller's waiting to build his offense around quarterback talented his Joe Borough. It's as good as the bengals could hope to have at this point in time with a number one overall picks a yet makes sense and yeah he's going to be the number one overall pick no matter who makes it and yeah the overwhelming. Chances are. It's going to be the Cincinnati bengals and so you can begin. Joe Borough going. Cincinnati learning the bengals offense and getting them up to speed in a division. That includes all of the good quarterbacks. Yeah and I'm with Mel. You're waiting for the wheels. Come off all season with Joe. Maybe to have him have one clunker game in their didn't happen. He's the cleanest guy in the draft in terms of the tape. You see and then the kind of guy he is so spending time with him at the man in camp last year and getting to know him through the process of recruiting Joe for the recess senior bowl. This fall I mean he's got the it factor he can own a room guys gravitate to him so he's got all that the only knock against him that some people have brought up like what about his junior year was he a one year wonder. Well we went back and looked at the eighteen stuff. And what really happened? Was I think a lot of people undersold Joe's junior stuff and they got better around him at Lsu this year? Clyde Edwards Allaire was on the bench last year March chased and play a lot and they weren't very good on the offensive line so they got better on Joe and he really played better as a junior than than myself and a lot of people gave him credit for a year ago. I Gem shefty thank you mel. Let's look now at the next quarterbacks to come off the board take us through five and six five now justin. Herbert you're thinking about people. Saying is that a low ceiling. I don't know what you're looking at you say. Is that low soon? First of all. We don't have all the talent you have a low sill. Plus factor Schroeder is about Oregon. There were times where you look like something was missing but got down with Jim. Nagy the senior bowl weekend mobile and had a great week rate game was the MVP. We know he's got physical and athletic ability to be great and certainly the intelligence and players that mobile travel takeover. They said he wasn't able to be the leader so to the injury is the only factor in the ability moving forward. The white is what five to six with the La chargers? So now is there any other reason? Because there is a switch with two off off the board now at third. And we know your drafts about what you're hearing not what you believe should happen. So why the switch their only by what? You're hearing Jim Adams based what they're hearing everybody's gesture for news opinions. That's why you talk to people. They're not gonNA talk them. Listened and put it into mock. And why do this exercise? So it's not about what I think. Or what my ratings artists which you're hearing and every team's not going to always be thinking the right thing maybe Miami's just playing games here and let names get out there. Who knows we'll find out that's the whole holy illusion of the draft and that's why that's the element of the draft. That makes it so much fun. So entertaining is we don't know until there was picks are made so but I think right now. What you're hearing is Herbert. Maybe to Miami at five and two other something he's GonNa fall further to the sex. I just felt like I can't believe that's going to happen. I think it'd be a great fit. But there are some that feel. He could drop out of the top ten. We'll see come Thursday all right with that in mind that Adam. Do you like to or to the chargers listen. The chargers need another quarterback for the future. Philip rivers has gone and yes anthony. Lynn does loved tyrod Taylor and believes him as a starting quarterback. But you want to begin to build the future if the right guys there also keep in mind that they drafted eastern stick last year in the sixth round. They liked him too. So people forgetting that but at the right guys there. You can't turn that up. You need to solidify your franchise for the future especially moving into a new stadium in Los Angeles to capture that market. Yeah the chargers. I think go quarterback who would make a lot of sense at this point in time and back to Justin Herbert for a second Wendy. If Justin Herbert had been in the draft last year he would have been a top five six seven pick. He would have been off the board very early there teams last year too. I can think of that. I know that Love Justin Herbert last year. And so it didn't happen. He went back to school. He's GonNa come out this year and it seems like there's mounting bows that he's GonNa wind up being the second quarterback picked in this draft. And you heard Jim Mel reference. The senior bowl. I'll ask you how you saw. Herber improved from working with him at the senior bowl. I'll echo what what Adam said. There's a lot of love for just Herbert and it's not just he's not surpassing to Just because of the injury there was a lot of people that put a lot of time into this thing. That thing Justin Herbert's tape is better as well. He didn't have the supporting cast. Who HAD IT Alabama? But there's so much to like about this guy so when you talk to people on the League they see so much upside. That's that's what's funny that there's a narrative that there's not a ceiling there. I mean I talked to a head coach the other day that call them a big ball of clay. They feel like they could mold this guy. He's a four year starter. He didn't play with a lot around him this year. That's the narrative that no one's talking about is that he really carried that Oregon Football Team to a PAC twelve title in a rose bowl title. And you saw down in mobile. He passed that test like Mel talked about. He passed the off the field test with his teammates. He passed the on the field test. He was good from the from the minute. He got out on the practice field. Unlike Daniel Jones a year ago. Who kind of had to work into the week and peaked in the game. Justin was good right out of the gates during the week. So there shouldn't be any hesitation if you're if you're a fan of a franchise and you're talking to your teams talking about taking Justin. Herbert you should like that pick. Let me ask you this going back to two for just a minute How much buyer beware? Would you anticipate because of the injury history? Yeah there's there is a big buyer. Beware Wendy there's there's no real way around. That seem to play eight times over the last two years live. He's a phenomenal player. Got Great Instincts here. All that stuff you know. It's a roll the dice no matter any way you slice it. It's a roll the dice and you go back to like. When Brett Farve came out he was failed on his medical by the Green Bay. Packers Ron woolfe wants to make a trade forum with the Atlanta Falcons. The medical people wanted to block that trade in Ron said no. Now he's going to be our guy and he plays two hundred eighty straight games or whatever is the all time. Ironman so it is a roll the dice. It can work either way but whatever team takes two is a role in those days. We take a look at the top. Fifteen picks mock draft more point. Oh and Mel Squash defensive guys that rule this group and mel taken through these names. We'll start with the REDSKINS that number two overall. Pick Ohio state BUCKEYES dominate. The redskins going to be dominated by Buckeyes quarterback Wayne Haskins moving forward for ease develops into a big time quarterback and certainly chase young individuals attacked Prescott Carson Wentz in the emerging Daniel Jones elite elite. Pass rusher and chase. Young would be that for the Washington redskins. Then you go after Zhang and other Ohio State Buckeye and Jeff. Okuda going to the Detroit. Lions food as they shut down lockdown. They complete choir goes from the Lions Isaiah. Simmons that all around linebacker he added late Martinez's tackling machine. How you finish off minute. Linebacker with Isaiah Simmons. The offensive tackles tempting. But it's too early. They're grasping Carlo to plan all along. They need that interior presents. Let guys go is a kid? Plays all out from the start finish games. They moved them around and versatility. Jay Henderson to the Raiders Number. Nineteen but they need a quarterback opposite trayvon. Mullen lie second round. Pick last dramatic Clemson and C J Henderson. Real good cover. Guy was attacked a little bit better. But for the raiders. That's a neat area. Picking it nineteen so they could go. Maybe for a quarterback at that spot or certainly continue to help that defense. Now thank you. We'll say hello now to Jeff Okuda. Who is as you just heard the first quarterback off the Board Jeff? How's that feel? He feels great. I mean I always watch this show growing up and they want to see my name. Among one of the top prospects is pretty cool to see how everything comes full circle. There's no question Mellon tied by the way have been pretty consistent with you they have you to Detroit as you probably just heard at number three. Do you like that fit in three of my name next to it so I think he's just a blessing to be here. I think that's a great answer by the way. Now tell me about this. Your nickname is free Hefei. And you've you've told us before that this is your alter ego so tell me what that me who who is. Fa FAA is this version of Jeff. So pretty much I'm Jan throughout the week when game. Day's gotTa gotTa let him loose all right. So what's what's the swaggie version. Oke like when you when you do. Let him loose. What what what happens? I think you see on these highlights right here. What it looks like perfectly fine just displaying with motion getting everyone around to all right now you said before that Ohio state is be a instead of Du. That's best in America. So I tell you what I'm going to give you the platform you've got the stage. Tell me why. Tell us why you're the best in America right now. The best in America because if you look a CS consistency so everytime connotation see consistency and honestly I feel like I haven't been paid yet so starting my freshman year. I think they're going to tremendous climate. I'm excited to see how far can go. Jeff it's such an interesting situation that we're in right now. This draft process has been different for you than really for any of your predecessors and I know it's probably not how you imagined it would be but you know what's it been like managing this new environment and these new limitations. It's been a tough challenge but for me just about getting routine going so always talked trainer. Climate can get us out a plan for me in the execute and Identity I know that it will have way worse than I do. And I'm just really thankful for everyone on the frontlines fighting against Kobe. Nineteen year former teammate. Chase Sean projected to go just ahead of you. And Mellon's mach number two redskins. How is that relationship helped you or aided with this process great hope just me and Mechanical Process? Right now oh can lean on each other and I thought that a resulting competitors so I think that Oh right now we're always trying to find ways to push each other even though we're not in the same state now you wrote a letter to the player's Tribune. This offseason it was about. Your mom passed away in two thousand seventeen and in draft energies. You mentioned that you couldn't wait to brag about her. What will what have you said what in that case is being drafted mean to you? Always talk about how Her perseverance the battle with cancer kind of passed down to me though whenever something is to have less laying his heart thing about her battle. Night is Get through that way and I think just being drafted. Oh just kind of completes the journey. I know that a early want her to be there but I know that Oh Mahane. Her family will be there and it'll be a really great night. Jeff everybody's trying to keep busy and stay in shape in different ways. What have you been doing odd beginning in that? So my partner we partner Raj. I'll go to the top floor with runoff those pills and grind kind of like getting it out the mud right now. All Right Mel Kiper. Are you with us? I think malice with okay. Good so a perfect opportunity. I I'll ask you any words of wisdom with a lot of Fun Jeff. Watching you played Ohio state. It's it's fun for us as evaluators watching a corner who likes to physical. And we'll tackle support run and tackle after a catch not. Just be wearing a bachelor's it'd be a cover guy so I can say is jeff all the best wish nothing but the best route and becomes the fun Gilmore. Patrick Peterson have one wheel when NFL CAREER ALMOST JEFF? Do you have any questions from El o? Can I do have a question? Go ahead and do a question. Why is Damon are not considered one of the top? You these in the draft during. Jeez if he's in the second round right now There are some of the things you could sneak into the late. I play the way he did with the arm and still be out there and making plays had a heck of a career. So I haven't going around to of this mock He won't have to wait too long and one on Friday to hear his name call. I appreciate it all right. Jeff listen best of luck. We will be watching of course the draft. Now just nine days away and I'll look a little bit different but the result will be the same and you will hear your name. Call it a bright future ahead. I have no doubt sure. Thank you so much. Mel has four office of live and going to the top. Fifteen picks in this year's draft and since nineteen sixty seven. There's only been five drafts with at least four offensive tackles taking the first fifteen picks the last one coming back in two thousand thirteen. Well we showed you the first three quarterback taken in the first round but now it's time the fourth and final quarterback in round one Utah State Jordan love but now before we talk law. Let's backtrack for a second. How do we get to the point? Where love comes off the board. Take us through sixteen to twenty. Yeah Right Prior Wendy from eight to fifteen years. The offensive tackles and wide receivers. Come off the board. Then it's sixteenth becomes a little bit of a defensive run that begins with Claybon Shea saw from Lsu a pass rusher so Atlanta Dallas and also use a kahlon chase on. But I think thousand six eight year mckinney's way outstanding safety. All around safety from Alabama Miami gets the best available players Faculty von Kinloss from South Carolina and Jacksonville. Kenneth Murray Auckland yesterday. Moving up draft boards in between ten law and Murray is Jordan. We were Vegas Raiders. Taking C. J. Anderson quarterback Florida they'll be tempted to take henry rugs the third wide receiver Alabama fans there. The could be. I'm just on a hunch and just a gut feel that maybe Jon Gruden and might may roll the dice and feel like we're going to see if it's arm town of Jordan love and translate and allows the maybe outscore Patrick Mahomes we Kansas City. All right now then. That's the primary reason why else. Nineteen to the Raiders. If we circle back to Jordan love. That's it when you look at where they are with. Derek Carr and with Marcus Mariota. They seem fine at their fine great but to try to get that upgrade and try to go with somebody that can maybe get you to able to go toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes Jon. Jon Gruden love. Patrick owns coming out of college. Attacks US thank you see what he's done in the NFL. Well we want a super bowl so I think he knows and that division. I gotta be able to beat mahomes okay. I got drew lock young gun in Denver. You know. The chargers are going to be looking at a young quarterback. Maybe to her so I think to keep up with them. Maybe in two three years down the road get an upgrade because he needs a transition for a year. Don't stare at cars team right now. Mario's there's insurance but two three years down the road like say Jordan la La Land GonNa land somewhere in this area. I decided to go with my gut. And Go with Las Vegas Raiders. And I know you're a believer in Jordan. Why is that? Yeah I am Wendy. I think he's got the highest ceiling of anyone in this class. And he's really a hard evaluation of all these guys. He's probably the most difficult because of the discrepancy between two thousand eighteen in two thousand and nine thousand nine tape. So if you're if you're in my corner We're believer in Jordan. Love your he lost nine starters. This year new coaching staff and a lot of people are knocking decision. Making right now because his interceptions went up from six to seventeen But I'm more of the mindset that you know he was trying to make plays he's a competitive guy. He's trying to win games for his team and he just didn't have the supporting cast around him. So you talk to teams in the League and I've had multiple coaches. Tell me picture what this guy would look like in? Lsu's offense with all those people around him or picture with this guy would look like an Alabama's offense with all those weapons around him so in terms arm talent. It's all there. The great ones make things look easy Jordan. Love makes a lot of things. Look easy on a football field. And what the mahomes comparison. I really truly think that you know here. We are three or four years removed from the homes draft. And we're saying how did that happen? How did he slide? I think the same thing could be said about Jordan luck three or four years from now if he falls to Nineteen Oakland. Vegas already has two quarterbacks as you heard Mel Bench and we know Carr Mario So clearly an interesting pick if happens and it's not out of the realm well. Listen I think there's a lot of people feel like the raiders. WanNa see around one. There's a lot of people feel like they need a defensive back in round one. But what's interesting to me when you bring up Jordan love at this part of the dread if he last that long and I don't think he will but if you were to last that long now you've got a group of teams the back of the draft who could potentially be in the market for a quarterback the New Orleans saints. The Green Bay packers the New England Patriots teams. That people aren't really talking about in connection to these quarterbacks they're all sitting there there's one of them value Jordan law in a way that they move up and go get him that they go grab at that spot in time enduring love winds up in a great spot with a really strong organization as opposed to going at the top of the draft. Are Those other positions options? Then Mel yes. I think there's no question with the raiders when you think about where they are with. Cj Henderson work opposite Trayvon. Mullen you get him with the first pick at twelve and nineteen henry rugs the third adjusted in Jefferson. Lsu One of those wide receivers would certainly look good in a raider uniform. I felt like you try to do a mock. I try to get a guy in there in a range item as well. And Mach three point five nine thousand nine hundred twelve. Nine hundred with the raiders would be a possibility there. You're a never neverland with that. Fourth quarterback was trying to find a position with a team that you feel comfortable with after you get past the chargers knowing that Jacksonville's kind of committed the men's Shoe Carolina's bridgewater. Where do you go? You don't WanNa drop them into the second round or put them in the late. I gotta put him that. Somebody that makes some sense. And I thought from the raiders standpoint. Jon Gruden never had picked that first round quarterback now he would have a chance Jordan. Love jammed his four quarterbacks in the first round sound about right to you. That sounds about right Wendy but you always got that possibility of a team trying to get back into the first round to get that fifth year option on the quarterback which we've seen done in the past with. I was in Seattle when we made a trade with the Vikings and they came up and got Teddy Bridgewater to get that extra fifth year on a rookie contract. Same thing with Lamar Jackson. We saw Baltimore. Take him late in the first. So guys one guy. That's really hot right now. Among coaches in the League quarterback coaches that are on all these zoom calls with these guys. Is Jake from from Georgia? He's good from the neck up as anyone in this class probably better. His iser is good or better than anyone in this class. So he's won a ton of games. He's been durable. I mean people are not a little bit about about arm talent and the physical stuff but the same things said about drew brees when he came out and I'm not equating Jake Frahm to drew brees right now because drew's first ballot hall of Famer but there's a reason why drew lasted in the second round and there's a reason why San Diego moved on from drew you know and it took him to land in New Orleans so Jake Thompson name to keep an eye out. Sneak someone sneaking into the end of the first round and taking him there. Jim You think that somebody treated the first draft for J. Frenette Jake from his worthy of a first round pick I do I think I think he fits for the Patriots. I think he fits for the saints as well. I think he fits both those organizations. I don't know about a trade up scenario. I don't know but there's two teams sitting there in that back half that he fits for again. He fits everything both those teams want to do. And if you've got a nice accession plan in New Orleans if that's in place have him sit behind breeze for a year but this people really discounted this kid. He's a winner. He's got all intangibles arm talents underrated. He can rip eighteen yard out. I've seen it many times This this is a guy again. I think the League is valuing a lot more than than the media right now when you get on twitter and see these things all right gentlemen. Let's take a closer look then with that said at the skill positions in this strap this mock draft four point l. has fixed wide receivers going into first round that would be tied for the second boast in the Colvin draft. Era The first white out the board Jerry Judy out of Alabama at nine to the jags. He's a top rate wide receiver according to scouting then Oklahoma. Cd Lamb ski goes thirteen to the niners. Lamb averaged twenty one point four yards after the catch which ranks third in the F. B. S. in two thousand Nineteen Justin Jefferson and his lsu record one hundred eleven receptions as been rising up the draft board. Have Him landing at number? Fifteen to the broncos. The Eagles had the second fewest receiving yards by wide receivers last season so mel has them drafting speedster. Henry Rugs. The third twenty two MEL has the Vikings taking random. Up from Arizona State. I you had the second. Most receiving yards in the PAC twelve in two thousand nineteen and finally at Number Thirty T. Hagans comes off the board and he will join according to melt mock draft Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers Mel. Someone as I mentioned just rising up your mock draft Justin Jefferson A. What do you hear about? His draft? Stock is rising receiver. I left that here. Denzel mims Baylor had going early. Second round of the Indianapolis Colts he could be in the late. I think when you look at a guy like just in Jefferson the production increase with Joe. Brady's influence on that offense eliminated the drops. He call us along with Chase Marchetti for Joe Borough and certainly I think the consistency catching the football and then combine where everybody said. Oh run a four five three four five six. He ran a four four three six one and a quarter two hundred and two pound or very athletic. I think for the Denver Broncos it would be a nice pick and brandon I you Arizona State. He's Kinda hot right now. Is THE MINNESOTA. Vikings receiver digs now at Buffalo. They need a wide out. It would make sense for the Vikings look at Brandon. I you from Arizona State at that if Henry runs the third gets down to the Eagles They could use him as a team. That's going to be the raiders. They quarterback or do they take a wide receiver. I almost went wide receiver. Rugs the third there but opted to go with Jordan love that Adam six names for wide receivers in the route and I in the first round is prize. You know it doesn't because you're talking about a position that is so deep in this draft. Wendy and I think the only surprising six is that there's so many good ones available later on in the draft rounds. Two three four five. You can get starters later on strapped and some things might be a little bit more apprehensive about taking them earlier on but look a great player a great player and if n rugs were sitting there for the eagles. Should they be thrilled with that idea? I can't imagine inroads. He's GonNa fall down that far. He's receiver slated to go early but there are so many good wide receivers and this draft. It's the hallmark of this draft the depth of the receiving glass. We've heard it before will hear it again. There's going to be a receiver for almost every team in this draft. Jeff would you have changed around the order or do you agree with with the way the fall out a structured? Well I think rugs is the top God but what I'll say about this classes. I think that that lamb and judy and rugs have been kind of you. Know the top three. There's not a lot of drop off to this next group males got up there and he he brought up Denzel mems. This is a really deep class and I think what Adam said about the depth. The intriguing part of draft weekend for me will be. When does the run start on receiver right so you know when you really have to take when you can pass in round one in address another needing come in the second or third round and get a chase Clayton from Notre Dame or Van Jefferson from Florida who you knew? Look at last year's draft Terry maclaurin sitting there at number seventy six to the redskins and I think van. Jefferson is the maclaurin of this draft. He's he's dealing with a little bit of foot issue right now but both were great. The best runners the senior bowl last year the fastest speed that we had at the senior bowl last year. Both Ron Specialties. Both great gunners so you love the makeup of the guy so if you're a team strategy part if you're in a draft room is okay where where where can we get one work and we still get? When do we have to address it in round one JEB? You mentioned a few so I'm in the senior bowl. What was your assessment yet? Denzel Hartsville sometimes in the big twelve. They're playing a lot of soft coverage out there. You don't see them separate a lot for man coverage the press stuff he comes done to mobile faces a ton of press coverage he gets opened consistently all week. You can see him run on the routes. He's got a huge catch radius and then he goes to the combine any runs. Hi Four threes He's six foot three plus two hundred seven pounds and he's a six six six three cone. Which was the best combine this year? Which is incredible change of direction? So that's why you saw that. In the routes in mobile so Denzel mems probably came into the senior bowl. Week is probably a third rounder for teams and now like Mel said he had him in the first and I'm hearing from a lot of teams. That's where he might have going. That late one early to is kind of the sweet spot for Denzel. Right now we take a look back at the last ten picks in the first round featuring six defensive players and the loan first round running back mel take us through a few of the notable here exact on when the linebacker Wisconsin versatility with Dell lights and Belgian depth on at twenty three. You mentioned the floors. Aj throughout Clemson in New Orleans. Jalen Johnson you call the Minnesota will be wholesalers. One wouldn't feel junior to safety spot. Four hundred one for the dolphins and then Patrick Wayne would have picked. You would be for the. Raymond's they have seven picks in the first round Eric. Kosslick does and he'll make those out. Meta data interior offensive LINEMAN ARCTIC. Guard than senator the last two years repulsive that offense line to help out. Russell Wilson and Andrea Swift finishes out the first round the Kansas City superbowl winning cheese with Andy Reid neck complete running back and beyond race George Adam Chapter. You liked that pick for the Kansas City chiefs listed normally players that have averaged six point six yards per carry during their time in the SEC and the Andrea Swift as ineffective running back. It's always a great spot. Take running back where there are high grades. Additions been devalued. You put the Andrea Swift on a team like the chiefs. Imagine that outfits. It'd be even more potent formidable than it already is. Wendy. Let's go back to the Patriots for just a minute Adam because there is a little news today on Zach Bond and Mel has has gone going to the Patriots will. Mel has an is the third rated linebacker in this draft. And it turns out that when Zack bomb was at the Combine Indianapolis he tested positive for a diluted sample now east teams because he notified thirty two teams that it was because he drank too much water before the way in in preparation for the weight and at that point in time and I think he weighed two forty three at the senior bowl. Jim Can attest to that he was something like two thirty six at the combine. Trying to put on more weight city was drinking water. The tests came back with a positive test for diluted sample now the eastern part here is that under the new collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated in mid March early March. This does not count as a strike and so at this point time Zach enters the league with a clean record if this had happened under the terms of the old CBA he would have had a strike against him would have been that much closer to discipline. That doesn't happen now. And that's why I think teams look at this and say that's interesting but we're not going to hold that against him and I still think he's late one somewhere in the tube pick next week. Let's let's stick with New England for just a minute shefty. They do not have a second round. Pick as it stands right now. Could you see a situation where the Patriots tried to trade out of the first round of? Maybe get another quarterback in round two one thing that we've seen with the New England patriots in the draft is anything is always possible trading back trading up. I know people have been brought that scenario. But why couldn't they trade up package more picks? You packed your player too. I think that's possible to just like moving back. The one thing about New England it never stays at it always move around and I would expect the same thing will happen in this particular draft totally agree Mallon. New England does up for a quarterback in the first round. Where's the best fit? Well you'll get New England. Hear RUMBLINGS ABOUT ADAM. GonNa Jalen Hurts quarterback Oklahoma formerly of Alabama Pittsburgh. So yours is where I had him going around through. But I think you track couldn't get into twenty three. I don't feel right doing that. School questions about Jalen hurts starting quarterback in the NFL. Some really liked him. I Guess Pittsburgh will be a possibility there but that's pretty out around one going back. Maybe a possibility there. We're going up out of mentioned towards love. Slides was New England's opinion of him Just an Herbert. I AIN'T GONNA go in five the way up to get ahead of Miami Brad 'em so right now. I think Jalen hurts. Talk is most interesting when you talk about the second round. I'm like I said I didn't project him in around. I just can't see them going. That high we talked about the chiefs but Jim what about that other team that we saw in the Super Bowl San Francisco their second pack of round one. If I had any bone to pick with MEL's first round here it would be thirteen San Francisco. I think they can use that. They got from Indie to take Giovane. Ken Law the defensive tackle from South Carolina replaced deforest. Buckner who they traded away to indy. And then come back at the end around one and get a guy like Brennan Euch. They hit last year on. Deebo Samuel playmaker. That could do it again without you but but great job on the first. Rahmael here for forty years at the end of the urge. Yeah I'm with you on kindle. I hadn't gone to Miami just because he was the best available player at that point all right round two of mouse mock draft four point out featuring another six wide receivers to more quarterback so give us some notable names here in round two giant. We don't get the offense attack when they guys Austin Jackson. Usc Developmental Tackle would be there at that particular point. You look at the Chicago bears. They need help. Obviously for foles orchard. Bisky Toco tight. End Notre Dame best tight end in the draft and K. J. Ambler Fast Guy. Britain space could be more consistent catching the ball wide out from Penn state. And I think you look at Adam Trautmann from Baker. Jim Adam senior bowl. I don't Trautmann's a kid out of Dayton wire program hecuba receiving option you could see Higgins Clemson in the first round wide receiver then Trautmann now. You've helped that. They had helped that Aaron Rodgers and certainly Baltimore with Jaylen Ray. Tcu Hut returner. He would be there with Hollywood Brown to get Jackson yet. Another weapon and then Devon do grenade about the rams leading oversee right do rene from Texas and a running back like five Edwards Hilar- from Lsu. All of a sudden jared Goff would have to nice options running back Edwards layer of all around Guy Duvrees flying up draft boards wide receiver at a Texas flying up draft boards. Everybody likes to hear that just nine days to go. Jim Who is if anyone missing from this list. Yeah we're really getting into the sweet sweet spot of the draft right now. When he runs two and three talking to a lot of GM's they WANNA get out of the forest in stockpile picks and these two rounds. Because there's the thought out there that you can get the same player in the forties and fifties. Then you probably could in the twenty S. So that's what teams are trying to do. And this is a really good list of players immediate starters but one guy didn't see on. The list was Michigan outside linebacker. Josh J. who I thought was the second best player in mobile on the defensive side of the ball behind John Kinloch during our during our game week he's the guy that at fifteen and a half sacks over the last two years you know. It's kind of a part time player. Two years ago behind chase win of each of the Patriots and Rashawn Gerry of the packers first round pick last year and to see what his numbers look like. In the percentage of snaps compared to those guys really jumps off the page so to me. Josh you Jay somewhere in the second round is going to be a great pick for someone we like we like. Oh that Michigan talk there. Jamaal say this there are a couple of names there that mill brought up Austin Jackson. Jalen rigor the more you talk to teams the more sense that those guys have a real shot at going in the first round of the draft. Austin Jackson No. There's going to be that run of tackles at the top of the draft in the TUB does X. we're GONNA see four offensive tackles off the board some team. Is it going to get a player? Like Austin Jackson and I think he's GonNa fall out of the second into the first round. Go back into the first round Mel and Jalen. Reagan has that speed. Of course I think that a lot of teams are GONNA be drawn to Jalen Regal surprise people and wind up being a one. That's my sense and Adam. Did I hear you have a question from mill if you had to have one quarterback year every year? We seem to see one quarterback slide down whether it's Jimmy Clausen not to bring up a sore subject anything like that. Who's the one quarterback you think this year could be sliding you know? I think Jacob beason into the second round is is where I'm going to Indianapolis but there's a lot of mixed opinions and Jacob. He had a great first quarter. And then the fourth quarter Roy. The second half is completion percentage went from seventy three down to fifty eight fifty nine percent. Because I want within the acquis heir-apparent maybe to Philip rivers but people thought it may be late. I I'm thinking more second round. For Jacob announced Adam after all said and done thank you got. Yeah Jump On. What happened was saying. I don't see another big cliff like I said it. Wide Receiver big cliff. I don't see a big cliff at tackle either. So Austin Jackson Josh Jones from Houston City Charles. Lsu those are all guys at the end of the first drawn early second you can see a lot of tackles. Come off Adam. What are you most looking forward to? It don't say Michigan guys. You have to pick something else. Well I think the question of two is going to be something that has been following this draft awful long time. It'll be the story again next. Thursday night understood. Gentlemen thank you just nine days away. The Cincinnati Bengals on the clock tomorrow.

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Miami Dolphins Podcast (Phinsider Radio) Dolphins make a handful of roster moves as players begin reporting to camp

"Every Wednesday on fish drive, join me Eric goes for full report on the Miami marlins singly. The Clinton Lumber Kings on eight ball with Eric owes we sit down each week with the different prospect. That is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players, trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate. Listen. To Abe law with. Eric. Goes every Wednesday on fish rights. What's up? What's up everyone welcome into another edition of insider radio. My name is Jake Mendel and I'm joined by Josh How will we will talk to in just a minute that makes us the Jacob Dosso joining us. Also today is the one and only toe for the gopher. We will introduce him in a moment as well. But before we get rolling here, be sure to hit that subscribed by and give us a five star review and leave a comment that helps us out more than you can imagine. So it is grateful. Are we would be incredibly grateful. We appreciate everything you guys do and let us you know. rant about the Dolphin. So so let's jump into it. Let's. Bring in the dynamic duo here. You know we'll start in with the guest. Christopher Cochran, how you doing today man? I'm doing good summers wrapping up. Right. It feels. Summaries wrapping up football. Is it here? What's what's going to be the moment that gets pumped up about football? After the. After the jazz we dealt with a baseball manhind. Once we see that first off, I think then I am going to be completely separate that Marlin is a little scary to me. But before we get really really into the pigs in here, Joshua hats, how you doing buddy I'm doing good. How are you guys doing I'm glad we could sit here and talk about dolphins football because you know we don't know when it's going to feel like it's actually here. But whether we're. We're ready or not. You know it seems like all systems are go in there at least give this thing a chance for better or worse, and we will get into all the quote unquote real football news in just a minute. But I saw post and I kind of wanted to pitch. You guys a game here, and it was just kind of one of those things you know you're scrolling through twitter on ninety percent of the things you read. You're not really. GonNa Kinda. Have imprinted on your brain. You're not gonNA really think about care about this is something. This is part of the ten percent for me and I may be too much deep into it, but I'm GonNa try to sell you guys on a gain here So there's a picture around called Madden two, thousand, twenty fan edition whereas basically a huge joke about how you could basically fad with no, no one going to the games this year. So I started chuckling at, I started to think about this way too much and efforts like it'd be Kinda w just kind of set in the crowd cheering. But like what if we made a game where you're actually ready marched in South Park attended a little league and just getting way too drunk and beating everyone up is a game. I would absolutely play and like I got way to deepen detail the key here is that you get into so many drunk fights in the third quarter, it's after you just. Just Chug to beers at halftime. You're really starting to feel that that rush come on. So that is right when the journaling going I. think if you could get into third quarter fights, that is a huge sung point, you know you can get Bob so you can be more prepared that third quarter fight. If you attend to tailgate which increases the speed by thirty percent, you could get really really intricate all the different parts aspects of a tailgate. Go to a football game. There's more than just sitting in A. You know a seat. You know you could trying to be people out of the land concession stands. You can try to be beat people up because you got to use the toilet so badly. And then I, took it even a step farther. What if you as a fan where? In two. Thousand, five graphics where it was just kind of the same four guys I remember. There was a huge announcement because they didn't have women on the crowd for the longest time a, they don't have concession guys. So what if you look like, what are these guys who are basically what are the cardboard cutouts appleby games and you could upgrade your cardboard cutout based on how well you do example, you start with this pixellated messy hair in the wind, and then you upgrade to wearing a visor and all the sudden you're ball because you finish the game without passing out by. Jerkin too much. told me. This was not the relatively interesting game at least for a week. I. I. Like it. I think I think this can go somewhere. I. Think what stands out to the whole fan edition? Is We need you could get bonus points for like how you're acting on third down a third long. They have the you. Usually, you see like I call Dad's type. Actually. This is something that I can agree with you. It's been dads get hype was when they show you a middle age old guy or middle aged to old guy face paint like half his face painted like an oversized Jersey of logo go. Yeah, we'll probably like Ricky Williams and he's yelling third-down slapping, the slapping, the wall. To let you know that he like he means business right now, he he is a lawyer from Monday through Friday on by trade, but on the weekends, especially in the added Twenty Twenty Fan edition, here's a guy. He's a dad getting hype. I mean, there's A lot of places you can have the debt. You could have the fans doing like you know the best I down logo the first down gesture after key first down. You. You mentioned bonus points. You get a Combo because you know in the middle of before that third-down starts name the third string linebacker who has just entered the game and talk shit to thank could be the Kabo points. If you bet it's at how many high fives can you get after touchdown? Like how many can you slap and every time you slap in the XP points pop up like just says five seconds of high five. The. Definitely, it's definitely has to be a rockstar collaboration to. Jeff typically is hoping World Simulation Games where move forward and I mean I. We've all been to football games. You've all said very harsh things to the opposing teams I'm all for it. I have no problem third quarter, you go concession line, you gotta social distance I, mean, this is. Twenty one fan edition, right. So you gotTA. Keep your distance. GotTa make sure your mask is up chug those two beers and then you're just going out there, just berating some. You know like you said, a father of of this little kid is right next to you're sitting there laying into this guy, tell them how bad the jets suck because you know he was unfortunate to root for the jets as. As a young child. So I'm all for this. I mean Madden Twenty Twenty, one fan edition a preorder that game and I think there's I have two final bosses in mind and I think he is going to sound a lot cooler. But in the grand to be one needs to be the stalled, trying to P next all those grown men next to you in this like trough doesn't have. Have to be one of those like early bosses Oh. Yeah. Hundred percent you even through people you know you could try to. You can even try to go in the out. You know the the the the exit interest to kind of keep things going. You could try to sprint in the exit sign exit side and jump into a urinal rate there. There's a bunch of different risk things we can. Can do here and I think the final boss like I said, I got to hear one get on the jumbotron. I. Think at the end of the day that every one of these fans all they want is to get on the jumbotron. So we could figure out that as the quote unquote final boss or go onto the field and punch opponents opposing player who's wearing his helmet, i. think those. Two weeks. I think I. Think a mascot would be. As style. Snow, what's his face WHOEVER THE DOLPHINS MASCOT IS? Achieving. A unlocked bitch, slap. Your Fan. You run on the field slapped td a ripple spinoff. You, you won the game. Does that does that mean Dolphin fans get ahead? Fireman? Ed, does that mean we get to beat up on him? In, the stands he deserves it for sure and if we're talking about like like bonuses like be Botas is one of them has to be you become invincible when you steal firemen, heads, ads helmet, right? Takeover gesture touquet like you can over. It's like the sort of a thousand troops from the South Park, episode World War craft. It's just everyone's just like. This really just happened, but thank you, guys. I don't know why it's a shark tank idea. Yeah. I'm. Do I will three hundred thousand for ten percent of your, company. I'm sold sold on I with the royal by this is something that I just stared at for way too long and went into detail with it. But I'm glad you guys have have kind of understood where I was coming from here. I remember I used to have a history teacher. Beckett, UCLA? WHO said to us that there are times when you could feel the PFISTER history tightening around you boss thought about that. She was talking not long after nine eleven. But this is another one of those moments. It is a hinge moment in the American Democratic Experiment, the entire globe is battered by the coronavirus. We're dealing with of our oldest wounds in this country on entirely new technologies like it crazy. Time I, miss her client host of the Poncho podcasts, and what we're trying to do right now is understand our time and try to find some the ideas that might help us chart away. 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Somebody is in the building and one of the big reasons I wanted Chris to be on the show today is because we had a podcast together and I feel like we really hit our bread and butter throughout the preseason whether it's the debate of you want your offense to do well in these mini minicamps and your defense thinks or do you want the defense to do? Well, which means your offense thinks these stupid little conversations, these arguments that beat writers fans get into and the other thing Chris is really really into is he actually sent me a a tax. He is so excited for that. I Goldline Fade to Seki that is called on a camera that is caught on a May, a flying drone and then it's all over social media and we all lose their mind. So toper. Kula tug of a lower entered the building. Thoughts. Is this arm. Hurt it looked like he had like has. His left shoulder and it got me worried because I was like is this something that we don't know about and then I realized it was just a man purse. He's married, twenty twenty, which makes me happy. He had his mask on if I'm not mistaken two. So He's definitely following protocol. Another thing that got me thinking about too is he had this noticeable lip on him and then. Of course, he had two hip injury but I remember during the draft process. There were literally people diagnosed in watching constance approver films of to end his walk and I, and I realized upon further review that it was just basically his walking style. His Gate has a natural link to it. But. It won't matter the minute. You can't. You see him throw in dimes to. Every receiver on the field for me, he's got to be a slam, pass a quick slant to devante. Parker, and I'm sold the cameras slow-motion the cameras going into slow motion for on that. It's focused on that spiral, and then you just see the eleven through in front of the screen, catch the ball and the balls gone yet. See We'd like this is it. We know what's coming and I am about to lose my mind over how excited I am because this is like. It's like, would you go to the dollar store and you buy pokemon cards knowing their fake? Shit ten occurred dollar, but then you just kinda like. It's all noble sores in Piccio, pige. Yachts. Dig. Yeah. It is crazy. Because at first I, think we all just like gasping. We're a little worried and then we realized fanny pack and we're like, okay, I, mean, it's kind of sick. I'd probably buy a ton of low you know. Fanny Pack. But but I do agree I mean we sat here. Broke down. You know his was slow pro day that he had there and I, guess it wasn't officially approved, but he's out there throwing. Trent. dilfer. We broke that down. You know every little video that came out, they broke down. and. He definitely had a slight limp there. But I mean to me, it just reminds me of the early W., w. a., F., attitude era where they had the godfather out and he did his pimp walk with all those ladies behind him. That's kind of what I see here with. What's that WHO who the ladies? Will Parker and Preston Williams, those lady, France. But I mean I'm excited and you guys are right soon as that first video hits instagram or twitter, and it's just you know frigging coming out in shorts and he just you know buttons his Chinstrap or something people around Lizard deadline. was when Fitzpatrick showed up and that it had pictures of Rosen intuit and Fitzpatrick. Had to be there hours before the other two guys and and that's kind of what Patrick is, and that's why you know you're have on your team is it's he's going to the first one in the last one out in. You know you WANNA see to be that guy, but I mean I a cap I, mean, that was just cool to see I I like Patrick. Forcing everybody else to stay on top of their game and he was rocking Hawaiian Shirt I. Don't know if that was just you know some little. I. Don't know if there's something on news talk. Yeah, he was definitely rock and some palm trees on another interesting thing that I saw him as right before we came on record berry. Jackson. I don't know if he tweeted this out yesterday for from earliest morning, but it said that it appears that tool will start as soon as he looks like the better quarterback and I sat here, I made a joke that that was probably on August twenty third when they drafted him, he probably immediately became the dolphins best quarterback, but you're right. You see Fitzpatrick coming in early and whether that. That was you know look like four. Am in the morning, you know four twenty am in Fitzpatrick's they're wearing his Hawaiian shirt just waiting for the rest of the group to get in. So it's going to take some time and I don't think he's going to be the starting quarterback within those first four weeks. But if a Berry Jackson saying is true if all it's going to take. Take is for two two. So a little bit more than what we're GONNA see from. Ryan Fitzpatrick, I gotta believe. That's GONNA. Be Pretty Damn quick because I mean we saw Josh Rosen gave Ryan Fitzpatrick. A run for his money in training camp last year and early on at the beginning of the season. So you know there's obviously going to be these this growing pains and you know the The offensive line used to come together and just going to be a new offense and going out there and not playing preseason games. Again, acclimated the regular season. If it's true that too is going to be the guy soon as he shows even the slightest bit these better than Ryan Fitzpatrick, we'd better buckle up because to follow air is going to be here much sooner than we expect. I. Actually does concern me that there are no preseason games? Because of the like I want, selfishly, I would love to have four weeks of watching just throw against our hearns. There's that. Just. His that. He's not getting any game. He wouldn't be getting getting getting any game raps of. His first his first set of reps in a game, we're going to be what before we five weeks That's the kind of concerns. Me a little bit. You know with all Cova thing that. I'd be good if he just didn't play at all not because of his health, but you know I, I'm worried that you know he. He's not GonNa have the reps that he would know that a quarterback would normally get especially a rookie. Yeah I wonder how well they're going to. You know make things seem like scrimmage environment. Type things like that, and even in that sense, you know in a in a preseason game, you can get sacked I. Don't think they're even going to risk that, and maybe you know getting that I hate is important for to feeling that. I, you know you know hit the ground whatever it may be and and he definitely won't get that. There's no way to slice that there's no way. The dolphins are gonNA. Let anybody get close to tackling him and Josh, brought up a good point about Rosen last year and I have to say I was I was pretty annoyed Ami Grant Hindsight is. Is Twenty twenty nine. I'm pretty content how everything played out in terms of hits factor coming back in, but but I remember four as saying, you know Rosen's gathering of the year and it was after what we to week three or something like that and you know, and then two weeks, not even a week. Later it was. You Know Fitzpatrick he's guy and you know there's zero percent chance that happens with tour. Right? There's no way bearing some sort of injury that to comes in place awful for two games. Even though Flora's said, he's the guy for the rest of the year. That's. Even, Rosen will come in and play for bearing injury right there. There's no way that's happening. Right? Right. That's the way I see and I do think the biggest thing, the most telling thing to me in all this, and we know how important Ryan Fitzpatrick was the dolphins last year, we know how important is this year especially with the transition at offense. But how nice it? You know you're sitting here and we're saying, maybe he doesn't even play at all this year. You know maybe comes in midway through the year earlier later, whatever it is imagine being in Cincinnati shoes. Got Joe, that's great. But you have to start Joe Bro. You know some of these other teams they have to start some of these rookies. The dolphins are in a great position. You know if they really wanted to redshirt junior to a lake tofu set, they could absolutely do that. You know, and if they came right out week one and said, you know we're going to sit to ton below. You know we'd all be a little. Little bit upset. But we'd understand that because twenty twenty is going to be a shit show whether we want to admit that now or not, and I don't think the dolphins are truly going to compete until two, thousand, twenty one. But again, it's just a blessing in disguise. Not only do they get thirty-seven-year-old phrasing that came any? No, he wasn't going to get that teddy bridgewater assertion that he might be the quarterback of the future. Ryan Fitzpatrick does this everywhere he goes, but he is just the perfect leader to transition to this new offense, and he's a great player to have in place because not only to teach to atone below, but he doesn't have to force the dolphins hand bringing them in. But again, that was a little. A little bit I opening to me when I saw Jackson say no. As soon as he looks like the better quarterback because to me, I mean, you throw in the film. He might already look like that if they actually had those chances to go out there and get those Reps. so a lot of uncertainty you know a lot to unfold over these next few weeks. But again, we're just keep saying football's back in. Let's get excited. especially. You know if you're GONNA you're slated to give let's for the sake of everything if you're going. Going to give to the contract, a starting quarterback deserves like you want to get as much out of them as mathematically possible. This rookie. Dear. You can look at Patrick Mahomes for share and you can even say like the the you know Alex Smith. The Patrick. Mahomes thing could kind of be like fitzpatrick too. But I don't think we can kind of look at each scenario in the same light I. Think you know when you. Once you draft a quarterback in the first round, that clock starts ticking is this GonNa? Be The guy we pay? Whatever it's going to be at the time, one, hundred, million guaranteed who knows what it's GonNa love cats and look like in four years. But you have to get as much out of Mrs Yucheng to understand the strengths, weaknesses and everything like that. So I think going to be key and getting him going the season are we did have some roster was recently and actually quite a bit as the dolphins try to get down to. Eighty players before can't again, it's usually ninety. But because of just how you know twenty twenty is this is they're going to do eighty with no preseason games. The dolphins were awarded cornerback, Java's Davis from Kansas City on waves. Not Football Injury might on tight end. Michael Roberts odd. They've also placed a few players on the covid nineteen list of lockstep separate. Blake. Ferguson defensive tackle the new Jones and quarterback J. Tankersley. Before we get to Davis who I think is kind of an interesting story in itself of. Being on that covid list I, know a lot of the time it's going to be. A half. You don't know how it happened. It's tough. It's a situation that's kind of deal with it, but this early in the season. This. Could Cause Tankersley his job you know in the sense of making a stick with the Miami Dolphins because I was on the phonetics podcast. Last week, and one of the things I said is this eighty man roster isn't necessarily going to hurt the undrafted guys and the late round picks dolphins Brennan this season because you know, you always try to chalk it up like, yeah. The seventh graders probably going to get cut you know it was a flyer, Yada, Yada Yada, and you know we know how much fans of Malcolm, Perry and all that isn't the greatest example. But the guys who are in jeopardy are the quote unquote projects. The dolphins have who who have been here for a year. We've seen on playing time in kind of just holding on waiting, establish themselves. Take the unknowns of the drafted free agents. This guy not only other younger, but the ceiling might be higher, and so these guys, this is a bit of a concern. I mean, it is a tough tough season for players top to bottom. Not only are you trying to play during a pandemic, but you know ten less roster spots? Obviously, that's less film than. Than, you can send out to other teams, Canadian football league, everything like that. But you might not even get a chance to defend your spot. The coaches might just decide. We want these guys. We saw more recently Yada Yada Yada. It is a very tough system for players. Especially, you know player twenty-five Idi on that roster, it's going to be absolute dogfights. But. Back to. Back to Davis, here I thought it was interesting because cousins with the Davis dolphins wanted him as a free agent, but he chose Casey. Justly drone Baker and requirement McMillan where the two linebackers at Ohio State Davis and egg monogamy. Noah. The Dolphins I pick epic thirty one, we're Auburn's two cornerbacks I thought was pretty interesting to Josh. When you kind of saw this stuff unfold, we'll get to the guys who are waived in the second. What are you starting to feel in terms of you know the reserve codeless if you WanNa talk about Davis here? Yeah, and I mean I think the thing we have to realize this is going to be the way. The twenty twenty season is played. You know we're going to get into some of these players that are opting out. That's a whole nother situation that teams are going to deal with this season, but a cove nineteen reserve list I mean, it's inevitable to see some of these guys end up on there right now, again could be a little surprising. But as this list is defined by the Dolphins, this new reserve lists cad was critic for player either test positive for cove nineteen or has been quarantined after having been in close contact with an infected person or persons. So this. This doesn't necessarily mean it. These players Cordray Tankersley Ferguson You know if those guys truly have covid nineteen, but they could have been in close contact with someone that did and I also forgot to mention. Benito. Jones. Who was also on that list I? mean. It was a guy who I believed was one of those undrafted free agent guys the dolphins signed, that could make a move on the roster. So it's a bit surprising. You know that might dampen his chances like you said Cordray Tankersley. When you heard that name, I mean some people forget he's even still on the dolphins roster. They just claimed cornerback. You don't know how much you know like you said, they might. Might be more customer more happy seeing which various Davis can do a guy who's Vantera Davis cousin, the guy who's played with it. The I keep telling the story about how it was a very Jackson article where Brian Florist tried to install his defense without Auburn, some of those young Auburn players and you got to kind of think that this has a reason to be. You know why they drafted monogamy why they claimed Davis or whether it was so hard in getting him after the draft now, they've claim him, I mean, he's clearly player. They liked the Michael Roberts News, I, mean, that wasn't something that was a real big surprise them little upset that a few months ago. Ago, they made me go out there and put together. A highlight reel is three touchdown catches I. Think it was. So that was a complete waste, but it all was because you know they made that trade for Titan, Anish and I'll let you guys talk about him are tell me what you think about some of these rostrums. But as soon as the dolphins made that trade for former second round, pick it kind of seemed like the writing was on the wall. For Michael, Roberts even Durham Smyth, no, he has to step is game up now. So none of these moves are truly surprising, but I don't think that this is the end of it by any means. I. Think the Ross is GonNa keep churning because like like you said, the you know Colbert is GonNa make everything even more complicated? And Complex. You know you're going to have players who? Aren't going to have that film and and it's a coach player just because he likes them. US coach -able. It'd probably take him. You know and that I mean that's Kinda like how I you know feel about the whole these bottom of the moves that it's just gonNA keep happening. You know once camp starts clergy. GonNa get cut. They're gonNA keep bringing in some way to like wait till a player test positive and then you know they got to figure out what to do after that 'cause would have multiple players positive. and to with this. I do WANNA mention. The dolphins have started cutting players. They waived Trent Harris, every Moss Ricardo Louis Jake. they also waved offensive tackle Ray Lema. who was the only first year player to be Waved excuse me this far, and it was by his choice. He decided he did not want to play football. He wanted to do something else with his life. I. Thought it was interesting for is called him and tried to convince him to stay but. What we see here is these are all second year players outside Lima. So that kind of you know I kind of you know, put the feather in my head about the guys that are going to lose their jobs I, and you know this is again the hardest time, the season, every this is all these guys. Dream is to go out there and play in a football field. I think they're going to give the undrafted guys in the late round picks more time more. You know wiggle room than some of these second year guys. They saw a little bit. That's kind of the kind of the point here you mentioned she had come in I. Think you had three career touchdowns at I grew with for on this one where it's just you know to see if a different place will really do anything for him I. do think it's kind of a uphill battle for him to even make the roster I think might into Sacchi will end up being the one two punch again. I think the only thing I think of when I see Smyth is sweaty gloves Yup. My only lasts lasting memory of of Durham Smicer sweaty gloves. Oh. Yeah. There was a, there's a report I think it was his rookie year that he was sweating through two pairs of gloves, every practice, and that to me sounded absolutely bananas. But I guess such as the way it is Josh. Any any last minute thoughts before we move on here? players are gonNA start to now, we're seeing it already now with multiple NFL teams, but none bigger than a new England patriots. Six players have now opted out this season, dont`a hightower marcus cannon. Couple others name a few brandon bolden, a fullback, Danny Vitelle and Reserve Offensive Lineman, nausea. Taran, have all opted out. A lot of people are sitting here making jokes, Patrick Chung also opted out recently a severe. The Patriots players at opted out a lot of people making jokes I'm GonNa. Let JAKE ONA's soapbox here with this because he seems a little bit upset in this right up that he did, but they're not I don't believe the pages doing this to tank, for Trevor, Lawrence I know that's going to be the. kind of their talking points. Are you know National Media Eternal Nfl, network ESPN whatever might be so might think that they're going out there and willingly losing games in the twenty twenty season, which again is very Very uncertain. You know we don't know what's going to happen in two thousand twenty. So do you think Bill Belichick is you know playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers and doing this telling these players. You know if you'd rather opt out for your family or your own personal issues, go for which all thirty two NFL teams should be doing. Let's be completely honest. But do you think any of this is truly lose games to get Trevor Lawrence. You laughing while you were saying that kind of summed summit up for me. I am so so tired of everybody complaining, would the Patriots always looked better national media? It's because everyone's saying dumb stuff like this, right? Old, my God, the the the Patriots eleven and five without Tom Brady, the best quarterback of all time. They didn't take that year. Give me a break. I. Like I. Don't know what to say other than just give me a break. You're telling me that everybody. Everybody. For the last two months. Has Sill said the Patriots are the favorite and is, yes. You can make the case, the bills who cares the Patriots are the kings of the East until proven otherwise, and if you think a middle linebacker, a right tackle and safety is tanking like this big people think about what you're saying here. Bill check the bus coach of all time wants to prove that he can win without. Tom. Brady. He did that in two thousand eight. To, you know just because things don't work out, doesn't mean players that want to be together. You know you think about the show Dave Exa fx x acts ex- ex-. Dame, little dicky wanted to stay with his girlfriend. But because situations about being a rapper, it just didn't work out things that Tom Brady wanted to remain a patriot because things didn't work out there on teens. All of a sudden. It is going to be arms race between the Patriots and Tom. Brady who wins more and there ain't no argument of well, Bill Chick had tank. Tank for Trevor. Lawrence, and then he was good, that is just not going to happen. There is zero zero, zero, point, zero percent. This is going to happen and it's just unbearable how every little thing that happens regarding the Patriots everyone tries to get this five brain. This huge idea of its this huge scheme. Give me a break man. Give me an absolute brick instead. something. I think we're talking about actually. Yeah. I'll I'll just bring this out and you guys could call me an idiot whatever it may be but. That is my mindset. People need to stop coming out of the woodwork complaining about this stuff because you sound clueless, this is a pandemic people are allowed to back up. Oh no brandon bolden Scom, the Patriots are taking. Give me a break. However I think it would have been interesting to see if the Patriots would have kept. Van. Noy Don this was a potential come I'll leave it at that. To your point Jake. I drink the what got me was this tweet at Adam Schefter. Had, he posted an actual actual text exchange with an NFL executive today after a six. Patriot. Opted out. Him, you know bill masterminding all this somehow Adam. Schefter says for what reason. Executive said I. Don't know. That's why he is who he is. Jesus? Albert. Like there's such a long list of people who go ooh and don't work out and we don't talk about that. We just think of well, I mean Randi. That that worked out pretty well for all that everything's been randy moss ever since give me a comedic, give me a break. There's a pandemic. These people don't want to risk their lives. They're millionaires simple as that. I would be I wouldn't be going out work in two thousand. Dollars a year I. Take a year off I just had a kid. Get. A snipe into a little bit as well. Oh. My God, this is built boats. I. Tell You can break. Give me a frigging break. It's it's sick just like. Patriot, took Barrow say the Miami Hurricanes Receiver Hoop. That's how many times have fans that next WES Welker for the last ten years. Yes. They had Julie How many times have you heard that because it's a broken record, it's been every. Every white wide receiver they bring in. That's a gym rat. Everyone always compares to Wes Welker I will say this. I would absolutely hate and despise seeing Trevor Lawrence in New England, I mean I know that that's really not what this conversations about I don't think that any of these player opting out like you said is any scheme that. Bill belichick masterminding everything has this ultimate plan. but I will say this if Trevor Lawrence ends up in new. England however, that happens that would complete not her hell and nobody wants to win that although to verse Lawrence for the next decade. Pretty cool. That's Monday night football game for the next ten years, it'll take it. If you're painting the picture like you just did where where it's the dolphins and patriots clashing as the two best teams in the AFC Yeah. If if more needs to go to England in order to make this whole thing happened, let's say for this crazy scenario, where to is only good. If trump lawrence is a good sign me up I'm a hundred percent otherwise keep him is far away from me. Western New England Massachusetts Foxborough keep talking as far as possible. I think we might GonNa talk about now, the jets trade of Jamal Adams Getting Ready to say me, we should be more worried about the jets right now. Again, Trevor Lawrence because. They have a slew of of draft capital, make that happen, but if it comes down to if I need to have Trevor Lawrence on the Patriots or to in order for to it'd be good. Yeah, I'm with you guys, Simon Simon Up. Of course, that's not how it actually works. For the sake of this, if we're going to say that people opting out of the season, because of Corona is Bilbao checks way tanking trevor boards, art scenarios, not anymore craze in that so. Let's just be honest. I mean I respect all those players I mean if like you said, if we were out there, you know despite the end if you'd young kids or you know your relatives or mom, dad whatever it is, is sex suspected of some of these things. I mean, you're absolutely sit this season out. So I've all that respect views lawyers. Do you think we'll have dolphin players, sit out. I'M GONNA rush. So I think. You have to and I don't think we're going to wait till I. Don't think we're going to have to wait till August third to get a percent of whatever it may be I. Think we're going to hear a lot of these. I think a Lotta, these players, the second you know they were talking about the season already made up their mind. So I'm not sure. How How often we're going to are how long to way I think it's going to be mostly this week before the weekend that will start to hear what players opting I'm sure dolphins will especially with how Florida's struggling a little bit things like that. So this let's kind of where I'm at I think there will be some. I'm sticking in the AFC East Jamal Adams was officially traded at I told you guys this plenty of times I, Hope Adam Gases, the coach of the New York jets, the next ten years I really do. long-term. Can you give him that Jon Gruden contract? You don't really The seahawks are rebuilding legion of boom by trading two first round picks, and I believe there was a third and a fourth exchange somewhere in there. for someone like Joe Jamal Adams. I just love the jets is being a dolphin fan because I have had you guys, you know this is the they see a make or break year for gates. Know all of a sudden. Did he just by himself? More time in? New York. Because I mean, if you go six and ten, but you know darnold improves a little bit and got those draft picks, is that enough to save his job? I, just go six and? I don't think so. I mean he's clearly in the. Process of you know here, he drove out one of his best players. And he's going to have a history like he has a history of being a bad coach slash overseer of football. You know I'd give give them this year and the next year is his last year no matter what. He hasn't proven that he's a good coach. Hey Yeah. He coach Peyton manning it sat next to them like held his clipboard but. I. I agree with both of you, I would love for him to be the New York jets head coach for many years i. think that they pride buyer's remorse to the moment that they think that contract he was making those crazy is during his press conference I. Mean, it has been absolute nightmare, but it's been lovely to see as dolphins fan because like you said, they traded away probably. The best. Strong. Safety, football? Jamal. Jamal Adams. He's twenty four years old two, hundred, seventy, three tackles twelve sacks, and only two interceptions throughout his career i. kind of you know my is kind of opened up wide when I saw those two interceptions and then it reminded me Byron Jones only two interceptions that was one of his biggest faults went. You know dolphins game this huge contract or he was just a free agent, you know fans from other teams. Are going out there and you know is he really worth all that money doesn't make enough plays. I mean they're interceptions. He doesn't get those interceptions because quarterbacks are not testing him. So Jamal Adams loved the trade honestly for both sides. I think Seattle like you said Rebuild Legion of boom. Now, you have one of the best young strong safety is probably the best young strong safety in football the jets now two first round picks. The biggest thing and dolphin fans immediately wanted to do was compare the MINK. It's Patrick Trade to this Jamal Adams trait and I'm just GonNa, go out there and say you know when make if it's Patrick was traded? Yes. He didn't get along with the Dolphins coaching staff, the Front Office, whatever it is, but he wasn't that elite player that he was at the end of the year and I said the moment he was drafted I said at some point. Mak- Fitzpatrick's. Defense back on the Miami. Dolphins, and that includes exuding Howard I. Still, no doubt in my mind that make it fitzpatrick is going to be that elite talent that many believe he is. But if he got traded, you know this offseason like Jamal Adams did in comparison the last off season. I. Think the Dolphins be looking at a hall much closer. Those two first round picks, but you know this is apples to oranges. One place strong safety. One's a free safety. However you WANNA unfold the. So those are two of the best young safeties in football. Hella. Deal for the Seahawks Hell of a hall for the jets. I'm just glad he's no longer the Miami Dolphins Prom because now they can go out there and attack that secondary squats touchdowns. As a madman player. Quick as madame player, I am pumped that he is traded from the jets I play with the dolphins and I am tired of dealing with Jamal Adams and. I can't passes to dissect anymore over now. I. Can because otherwise Jamal Adams B. Right. They're ruining the place just ruining everything getting interceptions, not fumble. So good riddance. Go to Seattle on your rookie contract, he had in my life. And you know. I WANNA compare it more to the Laremy. Tunsil trade just for the sake of two first round picks. Involve there a couple of events involved that type of thing. The one gripe with you know trading an elite talent like this. Yes. You know you get guys on the rookie deals, but there's an old family guideline and it it sticks to me for things like this. Peter gets to choose between two grand prizes, a boat or a mystery item and Peter Goes I. Want the mystery item. It could even be a boat you know, and that's kind of the issue with trading away. Players is what the dolphins are kind of dealing with Laremy Tunsil and Austin Jackson right that. Is that the liberal left tackle. Yes said Austin Jackson yeah for some reason I. instantly quick delivery. Troy. Tigers Center, fielder tennis. But You know the their stories coming out is Lee? Is I? Think yesterday about you know pf how you know Jackson didn't fare well against some of the top edge rushers in the draft this year, Yada Yada. That type of thing. So the dolphins did kind of take a step back. Yes. You have that other first round pick but there's that kind. Kind of concern of, Hey, you know there's a reason player was worth two first round picks and you kind of try to make that were dolphins I. Get it. Just I get it. But I always think that's an interesting concept to bring up when you're trying to trade away a player who who's about to enter their the peak of their prime for two picks. Football, this is a really interesting story There's a lot of. Jargon in it, I kind of cut through a little bit, but it's from football perspective. Dot Com. there have been eight trades involving two first round picks and a player in the twenty first century, and the dolphins have honestly been been part of two of them so far. cleal Mac Laremy Tunsil Ricky Williams, Jay Cutler Jalen Ramsey keyshawn. Johnson Joey Galloway, and no, I didn't mention Jamal Adams. I wanted to read you guys the Houston. Blurb here Let. Me See the. Basically, long story short. They don't know if there's a good pick yet because Julian Davenport was Kinda an the Houston Texans. Pick last year was mid twenties, not great return. The dolphins are kind of hoping this pick to be a little higher at that. Pick is top ten, top fifteen this year. It is a huge steel for the dolphins, but it's just interesting to kind of look at how these trades develop What side wins I think when you look at that Khalil Mack Trade I think the. Bears aren't the weather's in that. When I think Oakland is most certainly one trade you could say the dolphins one though ricky. Williams, trade until you're tired that type of thing I, think the Jay. Cutler. Trade netted the broncos. Eric Decker and marries Thomas I mean the the Peyton manning best offense of all time. So these trades can really. Change the entire landscape of football and IT'S GONNA be interesting to see because at the end of the day the Noah pick at thirty one where the dolphins traded with the packers was basically the pick for Laremy Tunsil in that sense. So it's GonNa be interesting. It's going to be really weird to see stuff plot, but I mean let like you guys said having one less elite talent they have ceased is never bad thing. Going back to your trade with you know the first round picks, I think when we found out that tuncel was being traded, we kind of have the assumption that it wasn't going to be a high pick. And we were kind of banking on the hopes of if all just Shawn Watson. Gets hurt then it could be a big. Then it could be a high pick but to me the pick that we were all really excited about is a high pick would be the Pittsburgh with Lincoln like that like like I was already assumed like that was all right. You know if we get we Meka then yes, we'll have a high pick but that Texas I'll. I've always looked at it as as an asset to possibly trade up or trade down right. I. Mean, that's how I always viewed that trade. And I think it might be interesting to to see. The Matrix for instance. Before that we have made the argument. The the steelers were trying do y'all get the best possible. Right? I mean not necessarily tanking, but I mean their quarterback situation was brewed over defense was decent, right? But makeup, it's Patrick, took them to that next level. So I I think that's an interesting aspect to where your traded, they traded him to Pittsburgh because they felt like they could get the most return of from, and however you just made the team two times better by giving them makeup Fitz Patrick. So all of a sudden that picks not going to be nearly as good for you know because he's GonNa, he turned. Turned it on for them to the season us a great player and I mean it is what it is but I i. think that's an interesting thing where you're kinda slated like, yeah. This is going to be a top fifteen pick at if it was a top fifteen, pick all of a sudden, the dolphins could have had one of those top left tackles that would have changed everything. You would think. But again, I'm not saying Jackson bad or anything, but there's more question marks with him compared to one of those four guys that the dolphins could have gotten if that Pittsburgh they lost two maybe three more games. In. The biggest thing here that we keep forgetting is when you trade for one of these elite young players, you eventually got pay them premo dollar. You know solar tonsil set the market Jamal Adams is likely that there I'm just GonNa, throw this out here and people probably GonNa hate me when I say this, but based on what has happened so far. You know the Austin Jackson picks dolphins trade down. They got. He'd been Nagami list goes on and on I would much rather honestly, and I'm sitting aside the dollars I'd much rather have Laremy Tunsil and make a fitzpatrick still would either of you disagree with that? Right now on the current team, I worry now and that's and that's without Houston's first issue year. So I mean obviously, we're GONNA, get another Lee play or at least first round talent. But I mean again, you got to pay them both huge monsters contracts. You can't tell them that secondary right now when not look beautiful with making fitzpatrick playing free safety. Again, we know the issues. Wise. Not here, Larry Tonsil again, you can't pass that hall up, but now you have that elite left tackle solidified again, we don't know what Austin Jackson is, but to me I. I mean, I'd much rather be in that situation with tonsil and again, I know why that isn't where we're at. But I mean that'd be hard to pass up just thinking about it. Shorten year one, hundred percent. Right? There is no done mind for the twenty twenty season. If I wanted the dolphins play well, I would most certainly rather have patrick and Laremy Tunsil but I, think I. I think we can't really it in that light because they are other pigs involved and they got to I next year two seconds next year I believe as well where. They could have a entire team that who knows is better than Tunsil Minka Fitzpatrick again. That is a high ceiling and it's very, very unlikely, but it's most certainly in the realm of possibilities and you know maybe they wanted to pay a cornerback in civil tackle. I? I. Don't know, but you're right. You're right for the two thousand, twenty season. You'd most have those two guys. And you're also read. It goes back to what you said earlier about how the dolphins, they might not keep some of these second year pros. They might rather Suen undrafted guy can do because you know they still have time to Grumman, be and hit that potential. The dolphins brought in Austin Jackson, Benigni. Believe they're both twenty, twenty, one year, old prospects. You know. So you're. You're giving that up for a limited sues what twenty six he's. He's getting down there and you just gotTa Kinda. See when that window is and you're right. They made these trays knowing that they weren't going to compete last year. They're not going to compete this year as as hurt as many people might be hearing that, but it's about the long term process. So I mean. I, yeah. I agree with what you say. And to like the thing, the reason why I brought up most of these two first round pick trades is because. Either you can be on either side of these and walk away a winner. You know the dolphins just because what they got. You know what they did for Laremy Tunsil doesn't mean that you know it's going to pan out for them. You know. The mystery prized could be that boat. It could be a two dollar bill. No, it could be something in the middle there, which is a little concerning, but you know that's why we have trusted guys agreeing flora's to really try to put it together and. Who knows I mean? You know we? We saw the hall for Tunsil in in three years could be wishing. We didn't do any of it and we just paid tonsil. Maybe we signed him a year earlier. I mean, once you trade two first round picks a guy. You're giving him whatever he wants as well in terms of money like that is just there's no way because you're not letting them walk after chain to I on pigs, right? So I think that is kind. A concern about, but you know it is what it is and. I plan. Also, Jackson's looking pretty good by the year dog monogamy as well, and and the dolphins and general for I. Mean We look at these two pick for player trades. There's always that off the cuff reaction that a team one team wanted her lost it, but it is really about both sides executing from that plane out. I don't think this is something that can be defined day one. Yeah. It's GonNa. Take Time especially with the the guys at the dolphins drafted like are we? Assuming that Jackson's GonNa. Start right away probably not. Going to get representative someone gets hurt. He's going to jump in and fill that void. You know insane with with the cornerback, they dropped at the end of the first round. I look at that like special special teams and deep depth for the defense when they go four five. DB's. We will know the picket it's worked out. You know for the foreseeable future. I think, yeah, you know it's GonNa be fun I. think that's what we're looking forward to this year I had to say I was a little concerned when the the Miami Marlin thing thing happened because at NFL MLB are the only two sports that aren't doing a quote unquote bubble. And you know I, wonder if they could of. But then you know rosters are so big and the assistant Yadda, it'd be very, very tough to do. But I mean after hearing that the initial tests from philly players day aren't positive that that Kinda makes feel better that this this could happen. But man, it's it's GonNa be a tough year by it's football nonetheless, and I'm excited to be here chatting about it. Yeah same here. Man I'm I am concerned. 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Saturday Special with Ethan Strauss and Duke Manyweather

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Some men Monday nights at ten, nine central on NBC and join us your Song podcast available every week. Applicants show on the IHEART. Or wherever you get your podcast. Hi everybody welcome to the Saturday morning podcasts. Good weekend planned a lot of isolation, but social distancing thing to give great momentum going forward. Crossing my fingers on the NFL NBA season baseball season's. I got buddies of the MLS. I hope that gets going to in June or July. as I told you last week. We're going to extend our Saturday podcast from one interview to. there's a lot of binge podcast listening. Frankly I'm listening to more podcasts. than I ever have in my life and I. Just think it's if I can help my company a little bit and and give you something else to listen to We're going to do it and so we'll put an all sorts of different guests today to guests I really think have. Fascinating stories are second second-guessed. Is the most popular private football coach in America over the last two to three years. He's an offensive line coach. From Humboldt State and he's got a fascinating story. And if you have a team that's going to draft an offensive tackle in the first couple of rounds We'll ask him about the prospects, but I'm going to start our Saturday morning podcast out. With, a young man who is very talented, who covered the current and now extinguished NBA Dynasty, the Golden State Warriors well. We don't have many dynasties in American Sports Patriots had I think a couple of them. Others documentary coming up tomorrow on Michael Jordan that a dynasty and the Golden State Warriors is one that comes to mind the college level. They're almost built for dynasties college football. Clemson Alabama best teams get the first draft pick, but in the professional sports realm. You're trying to as a commissioner. Create parody. The best teams get the worst draft picks or hopefully. Ethan Strauss, rights for the athletic based in Oakland. He has what they're calling very clear. Eyed expose revealing the team's culture with the warriors. It's financial ambitions. It struggles, and the price that it's players and managers have paid for all their winning. Ethan Strauss does a remarkable job I followed him for years on twitter. The book is called the Victory Machine, the making and unmaking the Warriors Dynasty first of all. Thanks for coming on I I love books like this I can't wait to get it I've read a couple of accidents including one with you and K. D., and it was at times a hostile relationship so either let me start with this. Let's start with Joe Lake of the owner. Because I have a great influence on franchises. So when I look at the warriors I see a bunch of smart people, so that tells me lake is a secure enough himself to surround himself with really smart people. That's my takeaway, not knowing him. What kind of man is he? So, that's true and I guess what I find interesting about. League of is that he is almost a caricature. He's almost like Daniel Plain. View from there will be blood, just ruthless capitalist, no empathy, but yet even though he lacks a certain emotional intelligence, it seems as though we can see it in others in the people. He hires who need to have that emotional intelligence, so even though Joe Lake as a certain way. He Hires Bob. Myers very emotional, intelligent guy. He Hires Steve Kerr very emotionally intelligent, and he hires Rick Wells. Wells to be as president very emotionally intelligent, so he lacked something, but he can see what he lacks in others. I think that was very important to the building of this dynasty. Mark Jackson they segue to Steve Curve Steve gets a ton of credit for it. I think Steve's one of the smartest guys I've ever met I think he was a nice player of great broadcaster, great coach, and at least a very very capable general manager. How stressful! Let's talk about Steve Taking over the team initial championship then Katie adds another element. Have you seen Steve Kerr go through some tunnel. Personally, he had a really severe surgery. I think a back surgery at one time we don't talk about the coach much unless it's Phil Jackson when it comes to dynasties in the NBA. We talk about the players. What Steve Kerr's last six years been like. Oh I. Think it's been stressful. I think it's been you know you see presidents at the end of the four year term and I think he doesn't regret any of and he likes being in the mix, and he likes being competitive, and he always wanted to be a coach. I mean that's what's interesting about. Kerr to me is that he's a guy who always envisioned himself becoming coach even more so than the player and you loved playing everybody who plays loves. Loves playing, but this was what he wanted to do, but coaches are crazy Colin. They're sick in a way. They're addicted to a certain misery and it's you even wonder. Come back, so these guys wind up on TV and have the cushy job. They come back to coaching and so I think it was really difficult and including what happened. healthwise is it wasn't just the back surgery? The back surgery was botched and away leak cerebrospinal fluid, and it's frankly the thing. Candid Guy. It's one of the main things he just won't talk about. Maybe in the future he'll open up about it, but he does not like to discuss what happened there and the amount of pain. It caused his life and just causing him to miss. Playoff Games and the way it did so I think it's been a very trying half decade for Steve Kerr even with all the success. Steve is a highly. Functional, empathetic curious all the good qualities of people. I would guess that he and Steph Connect I. Think Steph is one of the not just purely most cerebral players of my life I I think he has a security and himself. A, self esteem that is significantly higher than even great players. I would guess Kerr Steph. Really there's some paddock. Oh here, but I could see Steve Kerr struggling with Katie and struggling with dream. And at times, perhaps not connecting as deeply with a quieter. Klay Thompson is the Kerr. Curry dynamic the strongest amongst the roster. It might be. The Kirk lay dynamic I think coaches. Coaches love clay. Clay is no drama, plug and play. He doesn't need the ball. You'll be effectively. An assassin as was said by a former assistant coach Darren Herman a sniper who? Does what you tell them to do every single time. It out to a t, and so I think it just presents less issues for versus always trying to figure out the proportion of how Steph need the ball. How often does he do? Pick and roll and you? You gotTA remember Steph Look to be clear. Steve Insanely thankful for Steph Curry, but coaches are coaches, and they're always going to have their frustrations and Steph is like Brett Farve. He takes risks he he does things out there that It's almost playing with the game and badly wants to win, but you'll throw those behind the back pass is you'll just take crazy shots, and so that will always get on Kerzner's an also foul. He'll just foul. Constant frustration ethan he can get. He can get so sloppy in critical points of games I can see where drives her nuts. Yeah, and so clay, the good soldier I think is just the easiest for staff. There's always a little bit of inks to that. Even if it's a good relationship, overall, obviously dream on K.. There was the most friction there. When Steph was recruited by K. D.. It's like any flirtation or relationship There's a honeymoon period. and it's well documented, and we can get into this that that Katie over time felt it was steps team, and that at some level create some. If not it creates some friction, it may just be emotional. It may not be communicated between the two, but was there a moment early in the K. D. Steph relationship where they were perhaps still in the honeymoon period. You noticed it wasn't ideal. There was fishers there. Yeah, I I, think the the back, and forth over shoes, which a lot of fans who aren't in the shoes, might regard as a sideshow, but these players you gotta wonder are are they sneaker salesman? I mean companies. These companies often pay them more money. Lebron says I'm lifetime with Nike Lifetime. He's not saying that with any of his NBA teams. He's on what it's worth NBA team he's only at. At Nike ever since he was a teenager, so in a way, this is their primary business and Katie was taking shots at Steph shoes. I think he took some shots in the Jimmy Kimmel show maybe on the Bill Simmons podcast and that was early on, and you got to remember It's crazy to think about, but you look at under armour stock price. There is a before and after when Steph was V guy. Playing for MVP's versus when he recruited Katie, that really hit that multinational company hard, so there is a sacrifice potentially of billions of dollars that steph curry made for the sake of the warriors, and for the sake of winning that to Nike and hurt under armour, and that was something in the backdrop, but media even in the foreground of the. The whole dynamics. There's an excerpt from the fantastic book. It's getting great reviews. The victory machine, the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty and you're listening to. Ethan Sherwood Strauss from the athletic based in Oakland on our Saturday morning podcast, the eve of the MJ documenting, which is why I think the discussion of dynasties is so timely, so you detail In some depth great depth that you in K.. d. went off the rails, and he was a suspicious of you and critical of you Did it start out? favorably. Yes yeah, he's somebody I mean when he's in a good mood, he is so engaging to talk to and I. I would tell them that it's funny that you're so critical of sports, pundits and talk radio hosts, because it's really the ideal job for you I mean he would do a great job host and drive time. He's got all kinds of takes nachos basketball, though he knows basketball very very well but all kinds of sports and he's quite studied especially about the NBA so he'll say things that might not have occurred to you. or He's talking about the scouting report on a guy I mean he was. He's a very engaging guy to talk to when it's not the last season of that where you dynasty and the relationship hasn't gone south, so yeah, it began. It did begin quite a quite favorably. I always thought it was interesting. And maybe I should ask this later, but Lee Jenkins. Once called him a wander, and I think that explains a lot. He didn't feel loved enough in Oklahoma City. Westbrook getting too much love, so then he goes to San Francisco where the star guard is even more loved than Westbrook. And now he leaves staff, a great teammate to Kyrie. Irving, who grew up liking the nets? It's almost like Lee. Jenkins nailed that he's a bit of a wanderer, and he keeps wandering into relationships that are fraught with potential peril. How would you sum up? You Know Katie wonder. Is that accurate to you? It calling it so accurate that I actually I actually saw when Lee Jenkins is on your show saying that and it's in the book because I thought it captured perfectly. Nailed it. Yeah, that's searching for something. There is a void there, and he's looking to fill the void, and perhaps when the situation is blamed, it's really a blaming of the symptom, not the disease. Could you blame using that word Steve Curve four? Not After the K. D.. Draymond spat which clearly there was just this. People Forget People Forget. What did they say they they? They never forget. They forgive, but never forget. Could you criticize curve for not immediately sensing the Katie Dream on spat was too personal had crossed a line. Is that a fair criticism or did Steve Try to make men fences with those two? Think he tried to mend fences. Criticize Kerr. It'd be a lineup decision. I think the team did what it could do at that point to get everybody on the same page in so far as they could be gotten on the same page, a compete for a championship, and they came really close, but there was no way I believe that they could've salvage the relationship going forward. Katie already had A. A foot out the door. That's why they were fighting. It's because he was gone. That's why I dream of yelling at him. So I don't view it as a situation where trayvon chased him out of town I view it as a situation where Katie had already detached, he was already out of town, and that that history off, and that's what caused that whole. Blow Up. When you cover a dynasty. It is. Unrealistic. Not to I mean we'll see this in the documentary with Jordan. There's Egos everywhere coaches want credit. Stars want credit I mean good. God I can remember I knew the trainers during the Lakers dynasty. You know the P. Announcer during Jordan's bulls run. GimMe some players on on the periphery of this Andre Igwe Dolla we know there's a Katie and aesthetically and a dream on. Did. Players ever take sides and Andrei Igwe Dolla with staff or with K D did. was there ever a Fisher in the locker room in the last year? When clearly everybody, according to you and others new? It was over they even the warriors knew it was over. Did did players less powerful players popular players? Do they start picking sides? I. Don't think they started picking sides. Because Katie was just his own side, he had really gone and and sort of floated away, and so there was no side to take against him, and he was so great I mean the respect. There's something interesting here where. A the other players they don't. They don't dislike him. They want him to be happy I. It's not like a berry bond situation where he's just completely prickly, and you hear all these stories they everybody prefaces whatever they're saying about him before they complain with. He's not a bad guy, so they didn't. They didn't hate him, and they had this mess. Respect for what he could do on the court huge. I think players, players, respect size I mean. That's just weird subplot where talk if you talk to players. will say Katie's better than stuff. For the most part and I think part of that. I. Don't know if that's true or not, but I think part of that is if Steph gets you, he, he fakes you out in a way, and you tell yourself as a player. Okay I won't fall for that next time, and maybe we'll fall for that next time, but that's what you tell yourself Katie. You're shoots over you. You can't block it. You Shrug, and you go. That's impossible, and that's so players have this immense respect on the team for what he could do. They just really wanted him to be happier and a lock in. In and they were invested in that project more than perhaps being angry at him, and hating him, and it was almost amazing to me in a way that you could mean team that you could maintain that sympathy with all the drama that the team is getting. Put through. Ethan Strauss the athletic. He's got a new book. It's called the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. Mark Jackson. is a man of deep religious conviction, San Francisco and It always feels a tad more agnostic to me. it's very independent. Thinking in the country San Francisco even with the virus. A shut things down I. It's it's an independent city it it's it's. It's not part and I mean this is a compliment. It's not part of the collective hotel has been very very unique, architecturally artistically, just culturally and I and I. Look at that and I say to myself. When Mark Jackson left It wasn't that he was fired I always felt like they didn't respect. Kim and they sort of rolled. There is sometimes i. always my gut feeling was they kind of look at the God. Thing and Kinda shrug enroll there is. Is that in my whipping on that? Am I reaching? But I felt like Kerr was such a different thinker he was. He Fits San Francisco's. Sort of. Identity better than Mark Jackson did. I think you're right about that. And it was a cultural mismatch in a way but it wasn't the entire story of why it all broke down. Although it's part of the story because Mark he he had a preacher's job at his own church La, and when he took the warriors job UN okay well I still gotta go back down to La and do services on Sundays, and the warriors went what? It didn't occur to them that mark. Cherish is job before taking the warriors, job is his job as a preacher so much that he would maintain it as a part time job will be a coach that did not compute for Joe. League and everybody else who's the warriors who were saying? No, it's be twenty, four, seven, three, sixty five, so in a way it got off on the wrong foot just for that cultural mismatch right there, and that was a subplot and the whole dynamic going sour, was there a warrior player, initially loyal demark and not to Steph. Oil Mark and not to staff. My bad loyal to mark not to Steve Kerr my bed. Loyal to mark, and not the Steve Kerr Oh! Okay so, that's good. That's a that's a good question. I would say that dream with somebody who was very much empowered by Mark Jackson and turned into something of an emotional leader and obviously it wasn't that way with Kerr, even though ironically his career flourished under correct, but you have to remember it flourished because David Lee got hurt and training camp and curse for season, so and so and so draymond got the shot. It's never been an instance where. Steve Kerr polls Ramana Sidon says I believe in you more than anybody else, and so you're you go you all. It was moved just circumstantial, and so there's just always been a fraud dynamic there between Kerlin between Jerry mop covering dynasty I would imagine far more highs than lows of you leave the arena with a win. People are in good moods was there ever a stretch when it was not as a? A elevated it not as fun where it was intense was it was it for you during the K. D., and you public spat or at the press conference. He said you don't know me. You don't know what makes me happy and he was talking to you. was that the ugly moment and week a or were there times that it was? It was not burdensome, but difficult to cover a star-studded dynasty. Yeah, it was all of those things and I'll say I don't WanNa get too much into my travails. Because let's face it. Fans don't care. They don't care how happy I am or how stressful it is me, but it gave me some insight into what these guys go through. You know to be part of the news. When I was called out in that press conference and I'm watching people on TV. Argue with each other about whether or not I'm good at my job and I thought to myself. Man This isn't emotionally healthy. These guys, not insane I mean this isn't the normal thing you can think about it in the abstract. Somebody can say hey, turn your phone off. That doesn't work when every second cousin you have is texting you that? Hey, this guy said something good about you. This guy said something bad about you. And your emotions are rising and falling with that to me. Really just revealed that being famous right now sucks. gave me more sympathy for. Even if I think that he wasn't handling it great, it made me understand that. Hey, when Adam soldiers the phone conference and you've seen that. The modern superstars are OBE Israel a shocking admission by commissioner by the way that he's not. He's not joking around I. Mean this is a real thing. The technology is real. Issues are real. Have you talked to Katie since he departed? I did I. It's there's a text exchange in the in the chapter that emails skate were hey? I've got to do due diligence and reach out to for the book He was not exactly thrilled to be party that product. Even sure would Strauss's joining us. You know the book is obviously not about this season. But when you look back at the book, how do you think it will be? It will be received by the current warriors and for that matter Katie. Book Yeah Katie read. Everything I think you'll like it very much. the warriors I think it'll be grousing on the. They think this much. This is to foreground to background and I think I have a a another GM saying. That staffer shopped around I noticed. The warriors disagree with that perspective, but there's something there's something interesting about dynasties in the NBA, that's different from the other sports. You mentioned the Patriots. It seems like in the NBA. We are more drawn to the fall. From a literary perspective than the Ri- the, rise is something we can all just appreciate as the basketball we enjoy in our living rooms, and yeah, I will read about it and yeah. We'll your take on it, but we're fascinated by. It falls apart. David halverson breaks of the game. It's not about the Portland Trailblazers winning the championship. It's about what happens afterwards when we talk about checking Kobe, we're not talking about how great they played together more often. We're talking about. Wow, why? Why couldn't those egos get along? What fall apart and then you take it to everybody gathering around their TV's on Sunday watching the last anthem watching the bulls were fascinated by the last dance. You know more fascinated by that than the beginning of it. That seems very specific to the NBA. For whatever reason yeah I think a lot of times in the NFL, perhaps a dynasty ends because of injuries, which are not as interesting in glamorous and in the NBA ends because of ego. which is of course, fascinating ingrates creates great stories and mythologies, and so when NBA Shaq and Kobe break-up. It's the story it's. It's like it's like a Hollywood divorce. You. Know what I mean. I think the NBA I! I've always felt this. The strength of the NBA and why they'll overcome this virus, even if the season isn't continued, is because stars have an ability to grab our attention quickly. Baseball does not have a stars. Get me back. It's a habit sport, but in the NBA a even if they did not have a season, I still. Still WanNa Watch the warriors next year. I WanNa Watch K.. D. I WANNA, Watch Lebron and I think that I think the strength of the League is sometimes. It's liability. It's to Labor driven, but it star driven. Let's be honest on a by your book. Because I want to read about all. These stars didn't get along I. Mean that's why I want to get your book. report we can relate to right. Maybe that's why it's that I know. The average reader can't relate to what it feels like. When a championship report issued over a seven footer closing out, but you can relate to people at work getting on your nerves. Everybody can relate to that or marriage going south. I mean these are these are the human element and the NBA players are more palpably human than the guys who are playing in helmet. We see them out there and their jerseys. It's tangible Andrea. Monaco. Have a blow up. We all know about it and increasingly, so because now we've got these super spies and lift readers when it, when Kerr was mumbling that or muttering to that he was sick of what mom was doing the game back then it was captured the story, so yeah, it's it's. It's particularly the NBA that we're very much drawn into the personality aspect of it in a way that maybe we aren't with the other sports. the athletic is based in Oakland and Ethan. Strauss Ethan Sherwood Strauss I love that middle name is the author of the victory machine the making unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. I cannot wait to get my hands on. It You could send me an autograph copy. That would be really kind of you, and I would suck up to you. Get it and I would say nice things after you delivered it, so you do great work just a big Fan Ethan and thank you so much for coming on our Saturday podcast. Hey I'm a big fan as well. I feel ridiculous an autograph for you when you go the other direction, but thanks so much for having me off. Really appreciate it. Guys, it's bobby bones I host bobby show, and I'm pretty much always sleepy because a wakeup three o'clock in the morning a couple hours later I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we do a radio show. What's your allies? We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world. If you possibly can, and we look through the news of the day that you'll care about also your. Your favorite country artists are always stopping by hang out and share their lives and music to wake up with a bunch of my friends I. Ninety eight point seven W M Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio App our second guest on our Saturday morning. PODCAST is somebody I had not heard of until maybe six months ago. Duke, manny weather and there's a chance you haven't heard about him either. Bruce Feldman at Fox sports, and for the athletic, wrote a recent article, he said in the past three plus years since going out in his own, the thirty four year old manny weather, a combination of line coach, Functional Movement, specialists and powerlifter has emerged as the hottest name in football's private coaching world. For the record two years ago, he began hosting the offensive line mastermind. It's a summit in the cowboys facility. forty-seven players showed up eight. Super Bowl rings and multiple all pro bowl level players and duke is joining us now. You played some offensive line. You look like a tough physical guy wasn't long enough. That's my scouting report duke. Is that fair? That is very. Very Fair I to live in Ohio I had to pay attention to the film I had to get the schematic advantage. I had a really attack a process and control the things I can throw. That was how strong I was going to be. That was how refined technique was going to be. And that was my overall knowledge what we were trying to do for me to have a chance to even be on the field I. Think your position is essential because I think offensive line in a sport where everybody's getting better I'm not sure the offensive line is college. Football now is running spread offenses. The road graders feel few and far between. The biggest issue you see with college lineman going to the pros. That's a great point and I think the first thing we need to touch on. The college football landscape is not really designed or made not even their job to develop guys for the pros right that it that being said I think the the teams and the programs that do a really good job. pop out linemen. They really harp on the fundamentals from the ground up, and you look at your schools like Notre, Dame. You look at your schools like Iwa. You look at Wisconsin. You look at the things that the way leopard has done when he was at Appalachian State when he was at north, Carolina, State and Louisville when you look at guys. Guys like Brennan Key. Mario Cristobal all those guys, two old school approach to developing from the ground up and that stand that speak that skips that hand placement that's in line angles in terms of one blocking. That's get into your set point in the past catches, and they hark on those things every day when you talk to a guy like her hand down at he is how harping on the small fundamentals that you might have heard water and high. School and pee wee football, but they're making that important every day, and that's why those guys have a great track record of. A really pop it out great line every every year. You work with Donald Penn of the raiders, your classic, Bad Body, very good football player when I look at stuff I look at length I. Look at I. Just when I see it left tackle I wanNA see guy. That's long almost NBA long. Is is is what do you look for? You are not as a person particularly long. You're very muscular. What if I said to you right now? You're working with a kid named MCI Becton from Louisville. He'll go top him. What is his strength? He looks big. He looks long to me. Yeah. You know what so with Donald Penn. we work really exclusively together, nor his hold out and again like you said just one of those old school. Those Guy long arms big Joe Sob with that beckons a little different because he's got that old school size like your Orlando pays like John. With that new school athleticism that he can jump out the Damn Jim at three hundred and fifty five pounds in reverse. So when you look at guys like that, it's Kinda freaky. It's kind of scary you know. He's a guy that is big powerful wrong. Explosive can change. Directions can been his work. Ethic is really strong. I don't know where their stuff is coming from about him being lazy, he's really not. He's been with me. festival before Christmas. And he is not left. He's training. Every day. He blew up the car by and took like one day off just to kind of nurse, tight hamstring, and he's been right back at it and I've been checking but every day, so we've been having fun taking this time to develop, but you know he's a guy that you know has tremendous upside, but he's better than people. Give him credit for in terms. Terms of his technique when you look at it with some of the things that he can do with pass protection with his hands, his hand you said is really above. Average compared to some of the guys that you see in the college game that I like Jed. Rick Wills from Alabama I think technically he's very strong. What what does it say when you look at him? What are you say see? You what Jeff has really good film. Alabama does a great job at maintaining a functional base. Get those hands inside you see him being able to move the point of attack, you see him being really smooth and competent his pass that being able to get to the top of his past that when guys are trying to attack, it's so jeter is a guy to watch, and then you just see the physicality physicality in him, finishing guy and dumping guys on their head. I think that's one thing. I Love Steve. From Office of Linemen when they go. Go out of their way to finish guys and it doesn't always have to be a not now, but it's just give a little edit extra selection. Hey, I'm here all day. You gotTa pick yourself up because I'm coming at you again. Do you have to be strong? I look at Austin Jackson from USC I see. A lack of dominant power is strength with all the NFL. Guys you work with you work with guys right now like a Mitchell Schwartz is a pro bowl. A Trent Brown. Elaine Johnson those are the guys you work with. Do you believe strength is vital? Absolutely vital strength is the basis of every athletic movement that we're GonNa to perform so with that being said is not just an absolute, strengthen the raw strength, but it'd be for off. It's of line that it's being strong and the necessary angles and areas that you have to be so being strong. You know loaded unilaterally being strong in the core you know being able to rotate an anti rotates never have that power output being strong through his being strong through the upper back in the lap. you know all of. Of those things where you're strike, come from and where you're anchor ability comes from so all the guys that you just mentioned in bitch. I work with or consult with all those guys are uniquely strong and unnecessary areas that all the sublime a needs to be. They may not be hundred percent weight room strong, but we don't. They can strain. They can engage engaged for they. Can you know really tap into their back and Stan? Guys up if we got a wreck force up and that's really important if you don't have that. Then, you're not gonNA make an NFL. I'm GONNA give you an NFL offensive lineman in a sense. Tell me his greatest strength. Trent Trent Brown raiders. Our athleticism. He's a freak. Mitchell Schwartz Tepes. Consistency very cerebral. Probably the smartest guy been around Lane Johnson Eagles. To the process will do any and everything to make sure that his body is right to make sure that he is always the best that he can be. You know what I'm two sentences for him because his dedication is unreal. When that guys hurt, he will spend around the clock time rehabbing. On a get back, man, there's nobody that loves the game or off at the live more than laying job now. I'm going to give you guys who are legends Tyron. Smith of the cowboys. Why is he been so dominant? Some say as the best tackle since Jonathan Ogden. Tyron Smith is a freak man. He's a outlier. He's very consistent his pass. It probably has the strongest hands and balanced your. So with with siren, he's so efficient with this movement, and that his freakish strength is unreal very above average and use its best offensive lineman. You've ever coached or seen on tape or seen live. Now Colin. You're putting me in a situation. No I work with some really good guy You know what I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa go outside the box here because he's a guy. That's really starting to pop on people's radar. And getting the respect that he deserves Toronto Armstead Surata harm stamp probably has some of the best beat, probably one of the most pure athlete, but beyond that what he does to bring some of the younger guys along with him, what he demands out of that room at the state what he does to take care of his body, what how studies and then all the things that he does and community band the bad guy in the hall of Fame Guy In my book. How about that, yeah, the Saints Offensive Line's been underrated last several years. When when you talk to offensive Lineman of all the positions in Football Defensive Lineman get a Lotta love. How much does the mind matter do? They have to be mutters and grinders because there? No publicity. Yes absolutely part of what we do here with a line masterminds, and just all the guy I trained or consulted is you could trae your body. You could trade your craft with oftentimes people forget the train their mind, so we try to give these guy mental resilience tools and understand you know who we want to be and how we need to be What is our preparation preparing for? So we try to get those guys those Mitchell tolls. which they can tap into in realize when things really get our that. been there before and their training. They've been there before in their mind. have been there before affirmations. We always tell these guys that you have to trust yourself and trust is behavior over time and positive behavioral the time, so you know what she's put in the work once she been very deliberate and practice that you could trust yourself and then confident. We tell guys you got to have. Confidence and competence is the positive, or we tell ourselves about that work that we've done and that's. Because the behavior all the time, so we're really big on the mental part here, but what we do, all guys and I. think that's what really gives us a competitive. Over anybody else will be to. His name is Duke Manny weather and he hosts the annual. LINE MASTERMIND SUMMIT! It's in Dallas cowboys facilities. Super Bowl Rings, eight multiple pro bowlers, almost fifty guy showed up. He's got a twitter following of many offensive linemen, and I'm fascinated by it because he's a private football coach which exploded as an injury industry, and he's one of the really hot coaches Duke Manny weather so when you watch a guy play. Can you can you tell? I've been told this by offensive Lineman for years. Every week were hurt when you watch an offensive lineman. Can you see where they're hurt? Can you see where their tender? Can you see what they're hiding? Companies are obviously blatant that you could see Lavazza chronic compensated There's certain things like on backside, but also you can see where a guy typically has no drive from his backside and open up the front side hit the cut guys off and then when they start to struggle with that, they have to take more staff. They can't really open up a hip, so you can kind of see that from them. About what I a good job as a of guys and I really work with and I've got a baseline understand how they move and. And I understand you know where they're. Imbalances are whether deficiencies art, and so if I see something on tape I'm gonNA write it down and most of the time. I'll Texan dohrn game and say hey, what's going on with this and they go shoot? You can see that Yes, I see it and start to move. This way compensated that way then all of a sudden. He kinda on rattles from that I kinda, give them access plan. Hey, what you can immediately to Kinda fix that or try to relieve a lot of times ended up happening. These guys especially planned You know one side to get so much shortening you know of the HIP flexor. That starting. Edit their actual movement. Pat Level Stars to raise up and you can't even hip extension, so we try to make sure that we're giving these guys. Every told that they need on their all to be able to take care of their body and really try to correct yourself when they can, but this game and this position is so vital injuries are GonNa Happen? These guys have to turn in master compensator at some point because you're not going to get through this entire without being dammed up and. WHO's the strongest offensive lineman coach scene viewed watched on taper work with. Probably do have to be tyrant Smith worked with JARNAC JEREMY PORNO WHO played for the Dallas Cowboys, and then play for the Jaguars. You know have rate. You had a year career. Jerry probably wanted to strongest. Most physical just explosively violent players that I've ever worked with, and then you're. GonNa Watch like some of his battles the past four years with J.. J. Watt Man I. Don't think a lot of people paid attention to them, but they were heavyweight fights. Where Jerry Cornell would take Jj Watt, so you can see jj standing there because porn house is every bit of six eight three twenty law arms, and just our full, he would strike through people so. Duke Manny weather great talking to you. Bruce Feldmans got an article on him. It's fantastic at ten. The athletic I love what you're doing. This is a big draft. tristen wharfs at Iowa. D You like him? What are you see? Well Trust and works. He's a guy that has really great faith at right back with Iowa Wa there's some tape that can play at left. Tackle as well at Iowa, but I think he's better `tatoes on the right side that big said I do see some issues with him with his top end rains and pass protection out in space with them being able to record, take away the inside. You kinda saw. Some of those similarities went. Right and share with plan left tackle. He's Kinda saw some of those similarities with some other guys. I played high on educating socks. I think tristen work was going to be a phenomenal player. I think it's. The mission ended UP BEING ALL PROTOTYPE GUARD, yeah! That, he could be really special. I like quitting Nelson You Know Zack, Martin type guard how to Christian worth. Nah I. Tell You what he's. GonNa get every opportunity to prove that. Tackle. especially the way he tested without physical traces, those you know tiny and all those marks. Teams are going to be intrigued and say hey. Everything that we see suggests that he should be able to have athleticism the playoffs on apps but I just think that guy could be a special interior off at the vine, and I'm looking forward to see who drafts I'm looking forward to see how he ended up developing Andrew Thomas Georgia your thoughts. Andrew Thomas is very consistent. Has a very violent style of play. was asked to do a lot in Georgia's office. I do think that he needs to continue to improve on his technique. His footwork to me doesn't look as efficient when you watch him. He Kinda Batances, and it's really chopping instead of being definitive getting beaten to the ground making a span I think he's GonNa. Really need to continue to improve on his hand placement of times. He let guys brain, and this is what his hand that could be a death sentence in the NFL because hands on one of those things that are a direct. Reflection of your feet, and again it's feet are choppy, so his hands oftentimes all started. He's gotTa work on that, but has a chance to be a really good player. let me throw one more at you. Austin Jackson USC as we noted earlier. Yeah Austin Jackson, had a phenomenal COMBI and and they. Go back and watch tape on him. And you know my tape is when I watched the tape. It's really what I thought. so last is a guy that could be really good but just not consistent, and as you touched on, you didn't see that strong punks, no power when you really dig into it. They'll scouting evaluating. Work and research on you know where these background was their capacity but development. Who coached them? How can they be so when you look at him? And he had to go through to laugh off season. You're like Oh, man, he's just scratching the surface. Understand why he came out, and it's really intriguing. What could be so? I'm excited. He's got the same age Tyron Smith and Joe. Panos and so I. I think Austin has been doing some work with tyrant, probably and I know Joe is probably put in a great situation, so I would not be surprised Dan of those guys sneak into the first round, or at least early second round back. Yeah, he didn't have great coaching. At USC on the Offensive Front. There's no question about that Andrew Thomas had much better coaching. Austin Jackson did duke manny weather great stuff. Thank you so much and continued success. Thank you thanks for having me, you bet. You. Enjoyed our Saturday podcast I, wanted to run through those college. Guys for you. Austin Jackson somebody I watched a lot He's got a tremendous upside. Tristan worse at Iowa is good, but probably moves inside. Andrew Thomas is very consistent. Great family. Great back down a great background. MCI Becton's probably the overall best talent. 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Biggest Differences

First Draft

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Biggest Differences

"Welcome to first draft for this week. I am Chris sproul joined by Todd mcshay and Mel Kiper Junior. Well I think that's the first time. Yeah I've ever said mcshea before Kuyper never do it again by the way. Watch your back Mel guys all we do this. We do this episode annually. Mel's guys todd guys. It's basically an early look at the marketplace in all the players that you bet hyphen all year that eventually get stolen and somebody else says. Yeah I love this guy all along we really know they were reading your rankings early on in the year and just picked up on them. I Yeah I was thinking about this because obviously if you didn't stick around to the end of last week's episode it was revealed that Todd has stolen. Terry maclaurin from Mel is is that right or is it the other way around all the way around. Okay not even close not even close. So I'm not even GONNA come. Mel Stole Terry McLaren from this is perfect entry point. I mean this is what he does. This is his thing. Learned it and it's taken. He's taken about a decade into realize. And if you follow this podcast you've heard it before. Mel Take a player who he really thinks is forty and we'll put them in like twenty two to get him on the big board so that he can then say well back in November seventh. I had him on the big board twenty two whatever it was and then can claim him to be his guy when I introduced to that player to to him and and then he will eventually trickle back down to where he belongs and get him to forty but he wants to make got splash. I don't I've worked with MEL before. I don't know if he's this coldly calculating that it is an telling uh-huh or do you respond in writing. I I'm not that bad I'd be cheese starts. That's not a stunt just happens happens. Hey at least the guys I pull stunts with or not to be good todd. So you've got to admit that I haven't I haven't had a stunt pulled on somebody it was a bust. I don't think yet I don't know he's he's he knows all the guys if there was one he'd have been pointing it out by now listeners. Okay then okay. We had maclaurin last week so todd. Who is a guy? I think you're like this guy is going to be good. This guy is going to be good. Mel's got him in the forties or fifties where you went back and said and he started to come around and you think I dunno mel. It's might and this might have been todd's Guy I will go. I mean there's a handful but I'll start with just one. I'll start with Zach Bon from Wisconsin. I'm giving you. That wasn't yeah. I mean I I was. I was early on him late first round early second. And that's where I still think he's GonNa wind up and I'm sure mills put them in as big board somewhere and on a mock draft but I I love this versatility. L. Of the fact that he he can play online. He can play off the line. He had a great week at the senior bowl kind of showed the instincts in the quickness that I expected to to see from him and Ross blog is another one from TCU and people can say what they want. He didn't finish the season as well down the stretch at the defensive tackle position but he. He's a player and he's one of those guys that it's GonNa wind up going probably late first early second and people are going to say who. Who's that guy and then three years down the road we're GONNA look back and say wow? He was one of the best fifteen twenty players of this year over the past years. Here's Class Mel. Let's get this started then. So let's let's start going offense defense. Who are some of your guys for this year? Like say start at the quarterback position and obvious one. Somebody think you probably have a little bit higher than the market right now. Well how about the running back spot skipped. Todd will be jumping on me. IS THE MR obvious here. But I'M GONNA go. Anthony McFarland running back at Maryland. Who Likes Stefan Digs? Watch them play high school. Football and staff on the fifth round was a steel member. He was injured at final year at in Maryland. Same thing with McFarland had high ankle sprain limited productivity Down from a lot of yards over a thousand yards two years ago to spend six hundred yards this past season two years ago. Almost three hundred yards rushing against Ohio state. Talented kid hasn't been able to healthy was even injured his final year at the Matha but when he he is healthy he is a dynamo electrifying football player. If he goes in the fifth sixth round he will be steel for somebody a receiver that I think is big. Play play waiting to happen. Todd isn't on him yet. Caja Hamblur from Penn State. He has returned ability. But he's electrifying hands. Todd's heard on but unlike him as as much as I do. And and Ham komet played in from Notre Dame. Todd's not commit and I. I do WanNa see what coconut runs at the combine. Because there's thirty eight on commit in Hamblur at thirty nine thirty nine. We have McFarland about two seventy five often. Keep talking like I'm GonNa say this I'll give you a little story I do. I spend all day all night Saturday night and Sunday Sunday morning going through under the radars and guys moving up the big borbon McShane's out having drinks with with Levy and And Greasy and I had a guy and I put him in there as my under the radar guy and about a week later. mcshea wanted to go with him but he couldn't because already had him. So when you talk about Adam Trautmann from Dayton had him before four mcshea did and I have proof with guys at Dot Com. So I'll go Adam trautmann tight end date and another one of my guys okay. Josh Jones Offensive Tackle Houston had him in the the first round McShane moved them into the first round there before I did. I think if you go to the D.. Let's go finish that Matt. Connecticut talked about him with Dot Com before todd even knew we existed rested offensive. Tackle there. And I'M GONNA I'M GONNA take a guy here who's going to go in the first round. I loved them before. Anybody else loves them. The viscous junior I was raving about him before mcdonagh here did did last year. Two years ago I'll viscous. Junior is a guy that I think is going to be a heck of a player in the NFL tied. You got a Lotta accounted honor for. But let's let's start on the offensive side of the ball. Put some of that aside right troutman. I'll give you know that you were on Trautman but if you were congrats yeah I mean. I can't assume anything with you. Know what do I trust guys. I don't know why Trautman was Trump and had a great week at the senior bowl. I was really impressed and I had not done. I had done eighty tape one in game on him and liked him but he the way he performed with you know with all those general managers and head coaches. They're against that. That level of quality quality talent. I was really impressed with Trautmann and I think he moved in at least into the top one hundred and as one of the top five. I've got him at number three now but in terms of the tight ends but at least one of the top five tight ends in this year's class we gotta talk to Brian Writer and have mcshea get out to more Dayton games games on Saturday night. I'm sure that would be well for programming to todd. Who else mentioned coach? Just traveling around around the country all the Info on is waiting for Melda piggyback on him. I understand mel mentioned from the running back. Who in the running backs or an offense players right now? You think you probably have you you pumping the gas on him. A little bit more than when everybody else pumping the gas I would say can you can you say Dobbins. JK Dobbin jerk from Ohio state. Well there's a big question I mean I heard you talking about the other day on. I think it was well caned the question the other day like you put him in the first round. Would you actually take that guy in the first round. I mean it's kind of a that classic. You know where the x y the graphs philosophic philosophy versus scouting where they actually cross. He's right at that point. I agree I agree and I think he's one of the top three running backs if not the the best running back in this year's class another player that I really like and he's GonNa wind up point in the League for a long time and he may never be one the top ten wide receivers in the NFL. But Michael Pittman. Junior has the makeup. He's from his route running to his physicality callaway he. He doesn't have big time speed but he's he's a big receiver. Who knows how to separate? He knows how to use his body to get late separation. His Dad obviously played in the NFL. He's been around it and sometimes they're guys who grew up with with parents that played in the NFL or played in professional sports and made a lot of money. That aren't as driven. This dude is so driven I just love the way he talks about the game. I love everything that I've heard about out him. He had to overcome a speech impediment and he now spends a lot of his off. Time working with young. You know young kids who have the same sort of issues and he's he's just so mature and so ready to play at the next level that I think you're gonNA wind up whereas late second early. The third wherever he goes is going to be somewhere day to. What's he gonNA Runco Pittman? Juniors I five ish she this is one of those guys because so flavor four five eight so few of these players even exist hot I I always default to like an Anquan Boldin which is such an unfair calm because bulletin was damn damn near a Unicorn after a while he was so productive but like bigger receiver kind of running back strong hands like you. Don't even know where these guys fit you know. It's the hines award types. I I don't I don't know great cops for them. I just know that there. It seems like every year there are two two or three any of them that wind up going on and and being really productive in the league. We all look back like what it was the speed. It was the height the weight and just go back to the tape and watch the tape this consistently getting open and making plays you had a couple of focus drops but he makes the tough catches in traffic contested tested catches. I think he's going to be a great number two in the League and I think you'RE GONNA wind up getting him somewhere in that. Like eighty eighty five range in terms terms of overall players in this year's class. What do you think Pittman now? I think he's too. I think he'll drop to the third. I think he'll go in mid to late second round area if he does run as todd said in the four five five range. Somebody's not in the four. Six Plus Range He should be okay. Lynn Boat and juniors kid I also would add to the list of guys I like. You can get him in the third round. He'll be a really good pick for or somebody what he did for Kentucky. This year was pretty remarkable. Tough kid he's got a little Antwan randle El him so I do like him as well any any time. You guys that have versatility in this league right now. It's a big plus and then Lynn Boden Junior Caja Handler I. Let's see Mcfarland Bill. More adept catching the ball out of the backfield blocking can you to improve. But then they go back to start. I think McFarland similar. They're great runners but they expand dobbins some ball security issues. He's not a big time. Time receive rather backfield. He had a couple of drops against Clemson. I WanNa see I like to see this. One thousand nine hundred five. Jay Dobbins will probably be a top fifteen mickey's fierce runner owner but he's not the great receiver and he does have to do a better job as Jonathan. Taylor doesn't Wisconsin would eighteen fumble sixteen. Fumbles it Wisconsin They'd be better job making sure that their ball security as the where it needs to be. Hey Mel you can kick this off your pivoting to like players you like versus the marketplace. One thing that seems really unsettle title right now is the order in which we're stacking offensive tackles there. Were some people you know. Thomas is going to be the guy. Ellis is going to be the guy it's not really clear from a Louisville has jumped into the mix. I I don't even I don't I really don't know and obviously you know given what I know and I'm a such a soothsayer I would typically be able to do a perfect mock draft at this point but I don't know where the tackles are going to end up in this class like. Who are you on versus like people that you're talking to? I don't know this is my direction for the tackles. What's a little bit of a mixed opinion on a lot of these guys in terms of whether it will go so in terms of the first guy taken back then from Louisville is the dancing bear is? He's light on his feet for a big guy. He is definitely player. I talked about him earlier. Todd's jumping on that bandwagon L.. Becton worse up in on all year because I liked him at right. Tackle played left tackle and I thought he did a pretty good job. The two games he filled in for Jackson when Jackson was hurt People WanNa critique him I thought he did a solid job at left. Tackle wills had a good year at right tackle. Thomas is a left tackle. WHO's keeps getting better and better? He has not yet. I think gotten to where he he will be. He's still a developing left tackle. which I like? He's not a finished product. Five offensive tackles there. That will be in the first the one that I don't have as higher grade on Todd does is Austin Jackson from USC. Todd's Trojan players. I don't see Jackson Technique. Nick gets beat I understand that talent. But he's got a long way to go before he's going to be up against these quality edge Russia's in the NFL because he was beaten at USC for too much for my liking. So I understand the talent but that's a boomer bust in my opinion in in Austin Jackson from USC Matt Pure Connecticut. I have a second round grade. We're todd is on him but I think there's going to be some five offensive tackles in the first and some pretty good second rounders as well at that spot whereas I think Austin Jackson is is that's purely on on developmental upside just you know the potential that he brings. He's not there yet and I wish he went back to school. Who'll for another year because I think he could have really entrenched himself as a potential way? Top Ten picks somewhere in that range but look at the dropoff drop-off after that's that would be my argument. Really is how much talent is there at that position along the entire offense of wine this year here when you look at Austin Jackson and who else is there. Also the Charles Charles and is as you mentioned going back thought Austin Jackson. They should've said Charles. Lsu Right I think should have gone back. Isaiah Wilson. Georgia should have gone back. So those guys who are still rawal have talent but they're not not there yet. trae Adams Washington. You talk about where he can be. Once he's in. The late discussed him a lot. Come back from the injury but I think peer from Connecticut. I'm GonNa roll the dice on a gifted athlete who I think as yet to play his best football. I think Matt period in say the middle to late portion of round to. I like better than say Austin Jackson and at twenty range really I do. Yeah I like him better. I like him better as a late to do Austin Jackson. Pick number twenty. Okay all right one one more where I want to know if he's one of your guys or if he's a guy that you're actually questioning the top of the board so he's going to have a good grade for each of you you but todd Isaiah Simmons to me as I've talked to some people in the past week I'm not saying he's not a really good football player. That's obvious you know now off ball linebacker. He can run. He can hit he can cover a bit you know. He seems perfect for the modern game. My question is is he great in any any one area or is being that Swiss army knife GonNa get him overdrafted where as maybe he's more like Derwin. James Combine. He should be going more in the teens means because he's not going to be Dermot. James is a great player but is the is the pure original. Jane's where now. Well well I mean the thing about during when James is he ever going to be completely healthy mean he got hurt he got hurt. FSU Miss Time already in the NFL. But Simmons it hasn't been injured. No no no no. You're right Derwin Comfort. I know I I I love them. Listen I've talked to some scouts that don't but I think the League is trending so so obviously to towards what he provides that he's the got burnt burnt vegetables was able to basically build his defense around this guy last year. I mean you watch him rushing off the edge you watch him on a uh-huh double a gap blitz. You Watch him. Working off the line of scrimmage and then you watch them against Ohio state as a single high safety going thirty yards you go across the field to go. Make that interception based off of a his ability to read the quarterback because he's played safety and he's used to play in space and be his ability to to actually close and have that speed and then see the understanding of one to go up and attack the ball and bringing in. I mean find me me. Many guys that can offer that and venables has been telling me for three years about this kid and I've always seen the talent but this past year he finally developed. I thought into an elite football player and showed that it's the best ball is still ahead of him. I would bet on him more than ever now in today's pass-happy Finesse type. Nfl He's he's he's just the right fit for what you're looking to do and he allows you to be so multiple. Malware you hire low. He's right in that top group. I mean he's got to be a versatile. Izzy is I mean you look at you. You'RE GONNA take an offensive tackle over Isaiah Simmons. If you're the New York giants or you'RE GONNA trade down from there figuring I can still get attack. If you're not in love with Simmons if they don't feel he's the guy and todd I brought up the fact. They haven't drifted at linebacker. Carl banks at that spot if they're against the linebacker then they and they don't want to reach for Andrew Thomas from Georgia and Illinois reach for wills from Alabama or whoever it may be okay. We're GONNA know all all the names are they wanna move dander still gonNA get one of those guys so if they like worse you can get him in that eight to ten Dan range or they can get becton. We're wills or even Thomas. Maybe so they're not all gonna go not always offensive tackles going in the top ten so if he's not in love until Dave they've cattlemen's not in love with Simmons as that higher pick moving down and getting an offensive tackle would make sense. You say well who's going to move up to that spot. Well that's a that could represent the quarterback and that's where you talk about whether it's to Somebody wants to jump ahead of Miami to go to four that Fourth Pick tied if Okuda is it three and chase young's at two boroughs at one and four. Is the hot spot. Now because Okuda as such I grade and Matt Patricia sees the SA- Fine Gilmore opposite Various Soleil and he's not going to four becomes the hot point. Because you've got to get the four to get to. You'll love Herbert. Same thing of Herbert gets hot down the process as well. Miami's hi. Amy Is Looking quarterback. If you identify your quarterback and you want to get to that spot. The giants could have a pick that they could move down. Still Get Simmons maybe or go for the offensive tackle at a more palatable point. Yeah I just keep thinking I I see Simmons at the top of boards. And it's it's not a fair comparison per se in terms of just the skills skills. I'll say this I will say this. I look at what Dion Jones's meant because of his versatility in Atlanta and it's all about these versatile guys who can run and fly and cover this legacy is. It's a different league now. This was the mid eighties. You wouldn't do it. But now with the way he can slip ups and he can turn Ronnie's he's got great coverage skills and he showed they look what he did. How was he was a game record early on against the against Lsu before they adjusted getting into the Backfield so simmons is going to play a long time in this league? He's GonNa and have a really good career. But if you feel like you need somebody say an offensive tackle spot which is traditionally with the giants and gentleman of done. Then I think I would say you have to move off of that pick can todd do you think. Do you agree that that fourth is going to be the hot spot. Yeah could be but I don't I just wouldn't move out of there and and lose the option of getting Simmons because I think there's a little bit of a I think there's not saying they're not in love with Simmons. If they're not in love with Simmons Yeah of course but Simmons I mean man. He's one of my missing. He's so long he's fast. He can play outside inside. Single High. Look what else do you need. Can you cover cover a slot receiver consistently know how many guys at six four to thirty ten. Nobody right all right. I got one more the guy that I think it's going to be really fascinating to see how higher high low and I keep thinking. These are the guys that are somewhat defined by their versatility where you can have a bad case where it's like well Gebriel real peppers. He's really versatile it's like yeah but if he's in the wrong spot it's not gonNa be good another one for me that sticks out where versatility gets thrown around and it'll get that some people high and it will get some people Lo- is grant delpit hot. I'll let you go here. Is I think a lot of people see him as a late one and then going into this season I thought a lot of people had him higher. Where is he outstanding? And where when people knock him down there boards are they saying he gets exposed host. Well he he had a great twenty eighteen season and he didn't live up to expectation in two thousand nineteen. I I think part of it was trying to do too much. Although why why did he need to do too much in that secondary that was loaded with future. NFL talent some of it could have been the fact that he knew. Hey I'm I'm thirteen. Fourteen fifteen games away from getting paid millions and millions of dollars. So I gotTa Take Care of myself. I don't know I I don't know the answer but I know if you go off the twenty eighteen tape. This is one of the best ten players in the country if you go off this year. Yeah he's late he's late first or early second I can and I know some teams have fallen off of him but if he winds up in the right spot and is motivated which I think he will be once it gets in the lead to to play it at a high level. He's going to be a really good player and there are plenty of teams. Even if you're looking in the you know the the bottom of the mid late I I from Oakland. Nineteen the dolphins at eighteen. The cowboys at seventeen. You could even go to a New England at twenty ninety three like that range. There are plenty of teams that are looking for safety help and I think the range that he brings the he's not an elite run-defender but he's he's Tough Hill Phil he's got good ball skills not elite ball skills but good ball skills and he just i. Yeah I think what stands out to about him to me is the fact that he does everything either really well or at an elite level. So there's there's there's no real huge weakness in his game and the ankle injury. I mean that's something. You have to factor in. He was hurt the missing or something people are going to You know knock them down for what's going to help him though is going to be because he's struggled to adjust the angles. Why his ankle injury was a big factor? But I I think I don't know what he's GonNa run coming off the ankle so it'll be interesting. We'll beat the combine in a few weeks tied. It'll be interesting to see. He's he's going to be fast. You're going to be in that four five maybe four four four six two four or five range. They'll have a pro day so we'll see if he doesn't. The commodity doesn't the pro day. I do think he'll gain momentum once he works out and I I'd say coming off the ankle it only takes one team. You have met twenty three. I think. Seventeen baby the high point Dallas. Is that spot. We could drop a little later. Some people think he's more of a second second round pick based on the way played this year but I think the ankle you have to factor that in so dope. It's going to be interesting to see. I think after Columbine or pro day when he runs Will have an idea that it's open. I think we'll be one of those guys with the Arrow pointing up a little bit. I'll I'll I'll tell you where where I stand on him After the draft guys I know you don't WanNa hear it right now guys. We have gone thirty here and there is so much mail one of them even mentioned Pumpkin Pie. So I want to jump to the male next. I'm going to let todd have this one and then you can. You can jump in todd if you had to bet a Pumpkin pie on on one team to move up. Who would it be and you know for extra credit for extra light cool if you get cool if you get To name what player they might do for. ooh Good question I will go. I'll go Carolina Carolina sitting at seven. Maybe go up and get a quarterback jumping ahead of the chargers at six could be. Yeah jumping jumping ahead of five. I mean the obvious ones would be Miami. They've got three first round picks Oakland has two first round picks. So they they have the ammunition. New England would be another one. I know they normally move back and get more trying to get more more value for their their draft picks without I would say I would say the the possibility of six chargers seven panthers trying to move up ahead of Miami assuming assuming going up to or it could be Justin Herbert. If that's that's what they're into that that would be my my best. Guess for or the first movie that we would say about the Cleveland browns and the New York jets picking a ten and eleven offensive tackle. Help the jets. That's going to be a point of emphasis is is building that line for Sam Darnold and look you know. Wait until eleven understand it could take a wide receivers but they got help this offensive line out before you worry about. Receiver get the lines solid. And I think when you look at the lion a day prefer out of that group of safe four to five which one are they targeting. They don't want to wait and see what Cleveland Oakland does. And they don't want to see. What Jacksonville does what? Arizona does and with the chargers may do if they don't take the quarterback they want to go get their guy. I think that could be an spot. Where you'RE GONNA go back remember Ferguson? What Mangold how they've done this before with the emphasis on the offensive line? So and he hit on those. Two guys I think the jets particularly going to be aggressive so bit eleven and try to move up. I said he'd get the offensive tackle that they feel is the best to help out. Sam Darnold Mel. Let's get this. I've seen this question come in. I'm not getting like twenty five the time the first few weeks that we've been doing this and I'll preface it. The Green Bay packers never draft wide receivers. And Ron One. It's something we've been talking about almost during Aaron Aaron Rodgers entire tenure last season especially in free agency in in the draft. They went big on defense and it worked. This was a top ten defense finally but again. The offense didn't isn't quite where they needed to be. And so I just keep seeing this marine far. Will the packers take a wide receiver in the first first round. And if so who could that be. Yeah big on defense. Your right agent Amos and with the Preston Smith is area Smith and then adding savage image and and and Gary in the draft in the first round the three big free agents in two first rounders. So that you've got to go back to the offense. We saw that this year. Where you know you think about Aaron Rodgers was? It's just Adams outside of atoms nothing else. At Wide Receiver was ARD was a guy that came as a rookie contribute. The other guys didn't of course the uh-huh echoing a Saint Brown hurt late. August fell scanlon. Drops back doesn't do an allison has emerged. They don't have rental cobb and Jordy Nelson anymore so they gotta get weapons bins for the quarterback. More than just Adams. I would think K. J. Handler. If he's there from Penn State and K J handler being nice fit there. I'll I tell you I think another guy viscous and all junior and I don't think he will be but if he's there and some have projected in that area I think it goes a little higher than that but there's GonNa be receiver. I think that they're going to have to look at that point now even thought it but this year is a year. You'RE GONNA have to do it or free agency somehow some way. You can't have one receiver only. Is that a big time. Corner can lockdown on and when that happens and Adams's productive nobody else that Aaron Rodgers can go to and that offense allowed to have to hold the ball for Rogers. Mobile was mobile. Now is a problem so you want to get the ball out quick guys getting open and they only had one guy to go to so todd. I gotta believe wide receiver whether it's Free Agency zero first round pick. They got it they just need one they need. Maybe two to three at some point via free agency plus the draft. It drives me crazy in the last five years. They've spent one of one pick in terms of their first two picks in each of the NFL draft one pick in the last five years on the offensive side. It was an offensive tackle. You have to go back six years raise before you can find one of their first two picks being an offensive skill player and that was Davante Adams. Who who's really really their only reliable target? So it's been six years since they've really spent a quality draft pick on a guy who can go catch the ball and be a playmaker for Aaron Rodgers and they wonder why their issues you know. Aaron Rodgers continues each year to get them close in almost there to the to the promised. Land if you will so I duNno. I screamed about it last year. I don't want to get my blood pressure up anymore. I I think I know that. They've had a transition in terms of decision makers in the last couple of years. Hopefully they'll realize that they need to spend uh-huh just they've got to spend more quality picks on offensive playmakers and on the offensive side of the ball. Hey by the way it's it's not just the wide receivers to I mean Jimmy. Graham was playing tight end. He did a decent job here this year. But Jimmy Graham at this stage in his career at a position that a lot of teams see as Weapons Bins Baltimore San Francisco many others. They speckled over that spot with Jimmy Graham it by the way. Did you catch that. I mentioned now. Oh Twenty I look now twenty eleven. The last time they used a first round pick and it was thirty two overall a first round. Pick on an offensive player. That's pretty wild. Twenty eleven eleven. I mean why think thank goodness for them to Davante Adams as a six turned into this I mean he. He's you'd never everb- you'd never know in terms of as a craftsman out there as a route runner that this guy was that far down the board todd. I did have to point out though that they added that Daria Smith added Preston Smith and nine other guys in the first guy that gets called out his Adrian. Most from Tower Hall Cover Adams was second round pick when it came out of Fresno state right. You know I was Gonna I was GONNA sproul. He was to thank you and that was kind of my whole point. Remember the first second pick I must have I must have. He must have not been sprouted blindspot goddess frog. Hey Todd Scout Todd. BJ Johnson asked. I keep keep seeing Auburn's Marlon Davidson appear near the end of first round. Moxie he's seeing who. What are Scouts Sea? And he wants to know who is this guy. He had a heck of a year Davidson really did he. He played well. He's not he's not Derrick Brown But but he played played his best football this past year. That old defense played at a high level I think what he did was he improved his hands ends and he knew how to rush the quarterback and that helped him and he became their best pass. rusher but again when you have Derrick Brown on the inside and Davidson you're you're able to get a lot of one on once and that's that's what he took advantage of. I I had I think is a third fourth rounder coming into the year and have to double check and I've got him now is a a late too early three. I think he'll be somewhere in that range. I think by the end of Friday night the the second day of the draft. That will wind up hearing Davidson's name call and a lot will have to do with the fact that he played so well. This past year mel a couple apple questions coming in on this. I mentioned Simons earlier at four right. Dexter Lawrence was really good there. For the or your Dexter- texter. Lawrence was a draft pick. I don't know if he was really good. It was decent as a rookie for the giants. But there's a lot of talk about if a team was if if a team would be interested in Derrick Brown as high as for over a guy like Simmons. Could you see that you know not for the giants I think you look at the Daffyd. I'm just saying kind of higher on the board. I mean they made they got Leonard Williams and all that I mean I just think Derek Brown is going to go hi. I think Carolina's where everybody I didn't going talk to. Jeff Brown to Carolina probably did show Brown probably. I don't know where you had Herbert. Br Thirteen because added the Brown. That's the one that makes sense so they that's an area of need for them for Carolina. Could somebody move up there at Brown. Maybe they could There's no question that he's a worthy. Maybe Jacksonville if they don't love John. Ken Law maybe Jacksonville goes from nine up a little bit to get there. If they feel that there's a separation between Brown and Ken Law. If they don't then they can maybe stay where they are and take Qin law but you know. Derrick Brown's one of the better players in this drafty is a guy who can get into the backfield and wreak some havoc. And he's got to be able to do that in today's NFL. We saw that several years ago to Alabama kids. Drop into the second. If you're an interior guy that's why we go back to black lock in Avon right both in the second round. So I think you'll look at at a guy like blacklock had no Saxon. Final six games against against purdue and he looked great early in the year but he wasn't as disruptive late so people have to weigh that that's why were of two for him than a late. One I think the same thing here where you look at Derek Brown. He does US get ended up at his disruptive that's why he is guaranteed I think top ten pick and seven go a little higher. Maybe but that's probably the right spot for Graham. Todd I'll give you this one because I get a kick out of it because we always assumed that. There's a little bit of shock at the quarterback position and probably the every other year so something really surprises US bortles. EJ manual some of these times. Oh for some team. Yeah Christian in ponder for some. It was Jake Locker for some might even say Josh Allen though I think a lot of I think we all assumed he would go top ten but bottom line is there are teams that will fall in love. Live with the guy and I've seen several people tweet in this question is any team going to be able to talk themselves into love over. Herbert and I think it's the tools guy I that you're betting on the upside. And maybe some questions on Herbert. Todd you talk to live people anybody talking themselves into that yet I I I know there are some scouts out there that really like them. So you know it's GonNa take an organization it's GonNa take the decision maker in not just an area scout but I do know that there are some scouts out there that want to keep his name quiet and kind of weight as the process goes and hope that they they can get them early in the second round and maybe that's where he goes and that's probably where he deserves to go Jordan. Love to me has the tools of a late first rounder but didn't consistently distantly play at that level and when he had opportunities and I know a lot of his offensive line. And I think it was seven starters from the previous year so coming into this year he was he was definitely handicapped and they played LSU early on and as poorly as you would imagine it would go but he has tools and there are some individuals out there that are going to be banging on the table for him. So I think he's the interesting. They're all interesting. Boroughs boroughs a one year guy to talk about a year. Ago was tanking for two. Well he was going to be the number one guy. Justin Herbert some people. You Talk to in the legal love of him. Some can't stand him Jordan. Love Jordan. Love just talked about him and where he could wind up going Jake frahm. Tom Doesn't have the physical tools. But my goodness he's everything you look for in a quarterback in terms of work ethic toughness timing anticipation and and we're just loving the game. Jacobson loaded with physical tools. Stanley from Iowa is underrated. So it's it's not a great class of quarterbacks by any stretch but it is one of the more intriguing classes we've had in a while because every single guy has something that is endearing that you love about him mm-hmm but then there's something you can point to if you don't really like that quarterback that you can sit there and say no way and here's why in the from thing todd is on for when when you compare them and I Compared him if we always do comps sproul loves comes. And it's Andy Dalton. I'm the only one who likes comedy. Love Cops but the but Andy Dalton is the perfect for Jake from Andy Smart Man of knowledge and they have the big arm back. TCU early second round. And everybody's saying Oh God you're compared to any Dalton it's like any dot never played well in the NFL. It's like they just saw her and it's like any had success in this league. Had it not been for an unfortunate penalty late night steeler game not against Dalton but against the perfect it might have been a different ball game in terms of how far the bengals go that. You're going to long long way. So this notion at any dolphins never had success excess. Never been a good quarterback and thirty two thousand passing these a rate and I don't think quarterback as a bad thing. We we get into this whole thing. They're going to be great. Kirk cousins is a good quarterback don't expect greatness and he does a good quarterback don expect them to be phenomenal. Okay the guys. That big time upset darnold Josh Allen. They could be great but the guys that are good or just good and I think when you get a shake from if you're going to say hey. I want a solid the good quarterback. I'M NOT WE'RE GONNA swing for the fences but I'm not gonNA bust here and I'm not going to get necessarily a career backup we're GONNA get a solid reliable starter. WHO's a leader is smart and his arm strength that we hope will improve a bit and we can surround him by some good solid talent? We can really get a long way with Jake from Jake. FRAHM will probably be a second round. PICK BACK THAT TURNS OUT TO BE Andy Dalton junior guys. Let's do one more question here. In both cases I again. I keep seeing this. It's an interesting question to me. It's so rare that you could see a team you know we top ten teams trading up. I'm just prefaces. Teams trading up their training for quarterback unless they're trading up for Dion Jordan. Of course the train up for quarterback year after year gough wins. We keep seeing in an over and over DARNOLD I. It's it's a constant chase on Josh Allen Josh L. was traded up for saying it was traded up four four order and offensive linemen. We thought we thought when they trade off for George Dodd remember that we thought they were gonNA get Lane Johnson. Miami was GONNA get lane. They didn't they shocked everybody. I by taking theon Jordan so sometime tackle. But you're right I mean most of the teams have gone up to get that we thought remember looking at Utah with New Orleans. I would have been talking for five. They were gonNA take Lamar Jackson. Marcus walk established. I thought they were going up. To Lamar. Didn't Davenport is the perfect transition here mel. Because you're either going up and getting a quarterback or you got the second most Australia player on the field so I keep seeing. I think it's an absolutely fair question. Is Somebody going to be willing to trade up and take chase young. We watch what nick boasted. Did this season Nick. Bosa was wrecking the Super Bowl. Really for most of the game a homes with just was too brilliant if somebody's GonNa be willing to trade up and take chase young offer Washington the kind of package. You might take for quarterback if they think they're one pass rusher away mel. What do you think it's interesting question? The REDSKINS WANNA take Tim war like say they get an offer they can't refuse. Chase young did not finish strong. And I don't know why you back to the last three games nothing sack wise and he had the dominant performances warns US prior to the suspension I don't think he's as good. My own opinion is watching them. I don't I didn't see him to the Joey Bosa Nick. Bozo level I didn't see that I know he was out. But that's not a criticism. It's just you know Joey. Nick were incredible players and this guy is super talented. He's if if he dominated those final few games hit had been in the mix to be the number one pick and certainly the number two pick but if the redskins feel like Kay what the the picks are too attractive than to not just not to say okay. We're walking into a guy but in the mean too much to us that we can move down a feel okay about. Maybe I don't necessarily see it happening but is is it a possibility. I guess it would be yeah. I think it's a possibility I mean I I agree. He did not play to Joe. You're knicks level consistently this past year. But he also remember had the two two weeks off trying to come back dealing with all that knowing who's going to be if not the first and the second overall pick most likely and he also in twelve games smell at twenty one tackles for loss sixteen and a half sacks and six forced fumbled the Strip sack Gotcha I not just and it's not like he was a one year wonder that came out of nowhere. He had fourteen and a half nine and a half the year before. So you're talking about a guy who just consistently for the past two years has been absolutely dominant and when you put on the tape. Yes he can he can improve a little bit with his hand usage. She's not not nick and Joe Joey in that in that regard but he brings different things that are table the speed the ability to make that outside in cut. I'm he's frigging freak. He's an absolute freak. I I would. I hate trading up. It is not my thing quarterbacks yes US pass rushers they better be solely that you're convinced he would be the only guy in this draft chase. Young is the only player the outside of a quarterback in the draft that I would actually spend draft picks on to go move up and get weighed. I want to clarify this mel because I know Todd you've had you have chase here on the record. This is one of my highest graded defensive players ever on the Bosa scale Mel. You have chased just a hair below that. Where where is he? Lets Glick wants rank. Ohio State Pass rushers the last three years. Where is he well? He would be right below. This year's draft is right. There at the top of every draft is not equal to the previous years in terms. The guys on the judgment is clouded. By what you've just seen nick. Bosa do oversee you know by the way you graded them you have to go by the great you had you. Don't go by what they are now i. They were both expected to be really good player. So chase young borrow emmy boroughs. Grade isn't as high as you would normally cause he was a one year guy and we didn't. How far can you adjust that? We adjusted a lot based on where he was that where he is. But I think that's a hard one about this draft because he was nowhere to be found. Now he's up there near the top. Say Well Young still a little ahead of him. That's only because borough was a one year guy to Would have been there but he has the injury concern so I love Okuda but you know Patrick Atra Peterson. I had one. I don't have quite as high as I did Peterson so he couldn't be one. You know in terms of you in this year so I look at it and say it's up for grabs. I still I think that's pretty but I do think that consensus and correct me. If I'm wrong you talked to probably more than I do. I have my core group of the consensus that I've built is young's is the best player in the draft. Yeah it's not the I think I don't. There are very few years where you get a consensus in as many people the decision makers to say this is this. Is the number one player. He's the best player in this year to me. I actually I'll say this I haven't spoken to one decision maker in the NFL. That does not have chased young with the highest grade at this point and that gets back to your picking two. And you're the redskins borough goes goes one. You gotta get blown away by an offer to give up the number one player and a pass rusher. which is what you have to have in this league to move down your where? There's not a lot of great pass. rushers there's potential but the guys who are the other Scott. Promise that show a chance to be really good but defined standout passer and and keep in mind. Some of these guys will turn to be pretty good. Didn't necessarily early. The Ravens have had great success with personnel mcphee late so the area Smith late match jude on late. And we've had others who says well so And some of those guys issue Jimmy and sproul question. I'll jump in here Jimmy a day three pass rusher shoe. That has a chance to be really really good. I'LL GO Bradley. A Ni- from UTAH. I think he's got a chance to be really good. I'll go James Lynch from Baylor Great Motor underclassmen. Wasn't sure if he was gonNA come out Nico- not a great pass. rusher but a good all around player coming out of Auburn. Daryl Taylor from Tennessee I mean those are some of the guys as I have in the in the third round in that range that that have a chance to be really good players. But you know there's a reason we have graded in that range you often Robinson Syracuse didn't have the year expected but had a great year two seasons ago. He would certainly be in that. Mix Alex Smith Charlotte showed flashes the Times as well. So yeah. There's some guys that you can get say ravens have done a great job. Finding those pass rushers on not only just on day three. I'm talking about Roy. Leighton signature that fifth sixth round area. It's funny because Early on we already have mcshea saying he'd take on day three and you know that guys now going day to that's the power our now. That's the power Zoll. We now know todd because no call. Todd Ed never heard of McFarland so a lot of work to be done there Maryland. Exactly exactly yeah. I think we've hit the fifty minute mark in the insult or coming so you know todd by the way the vindictiveness comes Outta mcshea late in every broadcast who who questions came into. I assume mainly to me and Todd Mel got one Pumpkin Popeye. I got to take five questions in both of them asking me where we stand under new racist. Take Five. I mean I've got it. I'm GonNa say it's good. I haven't had IT I. I haven't been to the crunch on the resource crunch. What does it crunchy or I should know the name take his in it now? It's just like it's almost like a twig stick Tawfiq and I love my head over the calf right now. 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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio)  Setting the bar for Miami Dolphins 2020 draft class-Part 1

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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio) Setting the bar for Miami Dolphins 2020 draft class-Part 1

"Every Wednesday on fish drive join me Eric Oseberg full report on the Miami Marlins Singly Filial the Clinton lumber kings on eight ball with Eric owes. We sit down each week with the different prospect, that is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players, trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate. LISTEN TO ABE law with Eric goes every Wednesday on fish rights. Today is Wednesday and welcome back to the FIN CIDER radio. The federated I'm pulling. That went off today we before we jump into everything which they were going to be going into the highs and lows of what is happening. With Miami's draft class in terms of expectations, and what really defines a fun or strong season for these players to get excited about the future we also have a former member of radio. Even though we refused to not call him a current member, because we don't have the hard to fire him, but we'll get in touch with and sun, and just a minute, but we just want to let you guys know. We decided to take last week off just as they were bigger things happening. Happening in the world, and obviously we could use our platform for good, but we just wanted to take a step back and more importantly learn enlisted in the how Josh and I can use our platform can help understand and make this country better place for everybody involved. Have everyone feel safe wherever they are going from? You know just going to work going to wherever it may be that comfort of knowing I'm safe I'm in a country where I could be protected and everyone has my back. We took last week off. We will plug in I believe Josh is GonNa do a he has brand forces incredibly strong. quoth but MEL. Let's chat about some football and. Got This comment last week about this is something we should do, and cited to be some great content, and because Josh, and I are the smartest guys. We decided to bring in the one. The only earned Sutton order to talk about Miami Dolphins, twenty twenty draft class Erin Hey doing buddy. I'm doing well. Guys. I got two kids at two different grandparent's house right now so I only have leftover, so it's making life a little bit easier on the home front and You know really excited to have a show with Jake here today. How I guess I'll just kind of have to tolerate for about forty five minutes, but Yeah, we did that long enough glad to have you back, it's. I missed you and excited for the things that you're doing over. There are pro football network. You and can Nada, but I'm glad to have you on, and you know anytime. You want to come on here and talk dolphins football. We'll be here absolutely, and I'm going to be covering similar dolphin stuff over pro-football networks, so we're going to have a lot more dolphin stuff to talk about these days. And you know that that's the thing. Things are slowly starting to come together in terms of season and training camps. I saw that Josh I. Think you're a story about this the online camps. I don't know what the direct word for that is, but those were extended to June twenty six, where where the virtual mini camps I guess they were. Yeah! I think they're pushing it back. A little bit and I also wrote an article about how the Miami Dolphins they're bringing. They had the opportunity to bring in some of these guys. The veterans that they just signed some of the rookies might be able to come in there and get looked at by the medical staff, so there's a good chance at. This roster could could report you know sooner than the rest of the NFL so. you know like you said times are slowly starting to change, and we might. It seems like we're going to have football sooner or later, but. It'll take a while to see if that's confirmed. Yeah and I thought this was a good topic and I want to kind of hone it in a little bit more in in not just the sense of what's the ceiling and the floor for each player, but but specifically I kinda WanNa chat about for the twenty twenty season and I know you know things are GonNa be really unique with everything that's happened lately and teams, not being able to get together and whatnot, so when we talk, we gotta start to attack of a low because you know, it's a Josh How's podcast. That's what that's what they do so. Look at him, I think to Kinda. Put into perspective. Obviously, these players didn't enter the league with the same amount of hype, but when you look at what Ryan Tannehill did. In his rookie season, twenty twelve we were excited that he threw twelve touchdowns and threw thirteen intersection. It's. Important to that, there's some context when you look at his receivers. WHO's running backs? Where even though I will never disrespect Reggie Bush, who who's to go down as one of the more underrated players in in the history of the Miami Dolphins, but when we look at what we expect from him, Aaron, start with you. Give me some numbers of what you'd like to see. Two of his his rookie year because I know where I I can't see a world where he's really going to be. You know top three and touchdowns, yards, or anything like that. And when you see, we were excited about just twelve touchdowns from Tannehill and sixteen games. What would you say? Your expectations are for to say he started. Twelve games or so three quarters of the season. Yes. I think that's the million dollar question. How many games he going to be the starting quarterback for the dolphins? If, we assume that he has twelve games there. I'M NOT GONNA approach. This from a box score standpoint on approach like what I would like to see in the film after his rookie season and I think we would agree that with Ryan Tannehill Hill one of the early and immediate lingering concerns for him was pocket presence and I think that's one of the elite traits that to a has so I'm curious how he's going to adapt. The justice feet of the game from college to pros, and if he's going to be able to adjust his decision, making to kind of accommodate this new speed that he's that he's looking at, so you know is. Is he moving around in the pocket? Well enough to overcome some of the deficiencies that we might have in the offensive line right now and I know we'll get to Austin. Jackson here in a minute, but just the group as a whole, we're going to have some moving pieces, and we want to make sure that our franchise quarterback that we just drafted. Who Does have some injury history we need to make. We need to be pretty confident that we can put him in a situation where he's going to succeed. So what success going to look like he's GonNa move around in the pocket. I want him to get the ball out of his hands quickly which I think Chan Gailey offense is designed to do and I just WanNa see that accuracy. Translate from the from the college game. I think we would all agree that. He's a just an astoundingly accurate quarterback. Maybe could work a little bit on his deep throws a little bit, but the short intermediate throws her there so is he going to be able to trust his arm in the NFL and force it into two smaller windows. which I think he will or you know, does the the smaller windows make his processing speed slowdown, and then take away from some of his elite trait, so that's going to be the million dollar question for me. How quickly going through progressions? And how is he maintaining pocket presence? In Sutton touched on a little bit there, but the biggest thing is Kenny. Stay healthy and I think that's what it all comes back to. The dolphins are only as good as a healthy to a ton. Lola. He's the future of the Miami Dolphins Franchise. No one can sit here and argue that, but how's he going to hold up if he plays? Plays Twelve Games. How's he going to do when you take those nfl hits because we saw in college ever times when he was banged up, so you want to be able to go out there taking NFL hit, but most importantly said just grasp the NFL game grass, the speed of it grasped offense, which is very similar to what he ran in Alabama. You know he has Ryan Fitzpatrick who speaks fluently and Chan Gailey offense at some his best seasons alongside Shannon Gilead. Let's see how it all comes together. See how he picks up. The offense given this. You know Almost, you know. It's kind of sped up off season. He's doing things zoom meetings. Yes, he's learning the playbook, but until you get out there until you meet those teammates, it's all for not so let's see the way. He doesn't Campbell and see if he can grab that starting quarterback job by the horns, because let's be honest. Brian floors is a guy who loves competition, so if it goes out there and gets a has a grasp on this offense goes out there and proves that he is a better player. May We see him sooner or later? But what? It all comes back to his Kenny stay healthy when he takes hits. How can? Can he go through his progressions son said, and does he he? We knows arm. Strength is a little bit so so, and that's probably the biggest flaw of his game. But how does he manipulate that pocket? The same way did it Alabama. How does he threw open? Those receive the same way. Did Alabama I mean a lot of this is going to come down to just how quickly he gets arrested NFL game. I think we all know what a ceiling can be. We all know does four can be. Let's just hope that if to follow becomes a player. We expect that good things are on the horizon for the Miami Dolphins. Yeah and you mentioned. The. The pocket presence and when we looked about what Josh, Rosen did last year. The one thing to me especially in the preseason I don't Ryan, Fitzpatrick, isn't you know awful at the pocket at having a decent pocket, presence and Tannehill was farther down on that list, but but that really stood out, and if we aren't talking statistics and you know, thank you guys falling into that trap that where you know I. Want Him to throw you know sixteen touchdowns, or whatever and I get it isn't that, but you know is those factor thing so you guys are mentioning where where is his head? Who is he looking at? These are the type of things and obviously you got to see him. Ever three touchdowns, a game and things like that, but but I think you. Re guys really hit the nail on the head of just being able to avoid pressure. Get comfortable. This whole offense needs to really grow together, and that really starts with head depending on when he comes in but again don't WanNA spend too much time onto. The floor is you know hopefully a four year starter and you know the ceiling is. Pro Bowl Hall of Famer. Think there's really nowhere else to kind of look at that I think if he's anything less than the starter for four years. And you know say it's Jared Goff for years, you know. To we need someone to come in and compete with him, and then for ask that question if he's if he's still starting for us, you know that's not the absolute. Worst worst type of thing to deal with moving on to. let me see here. Austin Jackson with the eighteenth pick from CBS sports. They said his strengths where he's long loomed well proportioned, but you know the grape here was that the dolphins didn't trade up for one of the stronger and more effective and well polished tackles in the draft here, so jesuits bounce it back to you. How are you feeling about the Jackson pig? What are your expectations? What's the best worst case scenario furthest guy in the twenty twenty season and so on? I think twenty twenty is going to be a real difficult season to Kinda. Get a grass won't hold us to Jackson is the thing here is that? He's a very role player that he was twenty when he was drafted by the dolphins and eighteen overall. We know how badly office in helping that all offensive line, Austin Jackson is a physical specimen. You can do a little bit of everything I think though out of this entire draft class. At least first three four five picks also Jackson might have that lowest floor and that me means you know that there's a chance that if he doesn't hit those parameters that the dolphins thought he could become this, you know. Let's say. Tackle in the NFL. He's probably better position at left tackle. He may not ever develop into that type of player that they expected, but like the dolphins every seem Brian floors and what he's done whether it be free agency whether it be with some of these low risk reward signings. This is a guy who has not been tapped into his true potential, so also exit to me as a guy that is a is a high reward type player, and if the dolphins can develop him into that talent that many people believe he can become I think he could be one of the steals of this draft eighteenth overall like you said it would have been nice to see. See the dolphins you some capital, move up there and judge wills or one of those other guys that probably would went right in there, and been that elite left tackle lead offensive lineman dolphins, so desperately needed, but also Jackson definitely has the potential. You know what type of guy off the field he donated bone marrow. Tell sister I mean the story is great. Let's just see how it develops your one though I. Don't think anybody should really have high expectations for him, but again I think if he doesn't. I think he might have the the biggest battle to become. You know that elite talent as opposed to a knowing Naga, near one of these other guys so. It'll be interesting to see how he develops with the dolphins offense. Who An offensive line that let's be honest. They have been dismal at developing players getting talent on that offensive line, so it's going to be very interesting to see what Alison Jackson does your one and then beyond? The interesting part of this conversation to me just how the narrative about how quote unquote safe tackles are. Drafting them I should say I can remember being a teenager and a young man thinking to myself. If you get an offensive lineman in the first round there, just a plug and play you just pop them in and what you're finding now is that? These guys might have the most difficult transition to the NFL of any position how you probably remember. Interviewing Richmond Webb on the show. God, I don't even win. It was. Absolutely and you probably had. The fear poops before that show, but. But we were picking his brain. You know. Why is it so hard and you know these these kids are in spread systems now where a lot of quarterbacks are getting the ball out of their hands in less than a second. So how long are you setting in your in your past block technique? If you only have to sit in it for half a second before the balls out, so there's some elements to just the college game that make the transition difficult, but then you have. The off season, which has already been reduced by the previous collective bargaining agreement, and then you add in some of the hurdles that Kovic has presented, and you're GonNa have a more fragmented and disorganized way of disseminating this information and these guys that are coming in Austin. Jackson is not just GONNA have to learn how to play tackle. He's likely going to have to learn all five positions on the offensive line. So for some of those guys you know that can be a challenge to have to learn every single position at a professional demand, so it's. We're not just talking about simple simple principles here this is. You need to learn everything at every position, and that can be really difficult so I think what house was saying earlier is like me. We can't expect anything from him this year at my opinion. The. Best case scenario is that he starts, and he doesn't suck. I think the worst case scenario is that it just doesn't click with him. the ironic part about this whole conversation is that offensive linemen are typically? If you take this for what it's worth, but on the Wunderlich Score, they are the best position group so by and large. These guys. They're smart. Typically. Teams are drafting the more athletic guys. Austin Jackson was by the Ras, razz score by Kent Platt Math bomb on twitter. He was the number four offensive tackle drafted tested elite in every skill. Sorry in every drill that he did so. We're getting athletic guy. And then we are rolling the dice like every other NFL team with these tackles coming in hoping that with them that the game will slow down. Down and that they will be the cornerstone that we drafted him to be and I think we all remember the growing pains Laremy Tunsil had the growing pains that John James had so for us to think that he's GonNa. Come in, and not make mistakes. That's not realistic. He's GonNa make lots of mistakes I the real barometer it'd be going into year two and if the game slows down for him. I think what's interesting here. and you know we mentioned that. The Chan Gailey runs a quick hitting fast offense, and it's going to be interesting to see how quickly these guys can develop in a situation like that. When you are in a scenario, where maybe this is more like the college game than expected, and that's where we kind of got to give Brian floors a bit more credit where you know. He got rid of this really complex. System that? They ran last season and he brought it back down to basics I think when you look at someone like Austin, Jackson I think an occasional getting beaten an occasional getting beat. Even pretty bad is not really fear, but something that both John. James and even Lonzo struggled. Again Laremy Tunsil. Echo and we sold the dolphins wanted to do that. In terms of moving out from drawn James is penalties I mean. We mentioned how Smart Austin Jackson is with those scores that you just mentioned air, but the concern that the floor I believe is not only if he's getting beat occasionally, but all of a sudden he's over thinking things than penalties become an issue. Right I think that's something where the dolphins in terms of tackles I remember reading about withdrawn Laremy Tunsil. Those guys were brutal in terms. Terms of snap penalties and those are the type of things that that I really hope the dolphin start to limit are those very fixable mistakes and I think that's going to be key Jackson here. It isn't going to be oh. No, he gave up. You know the fifth, no sacks in terms of a left tackle his rookie season. Yes, that'd be really concerning in terms of practice. Patrick's help health health, and maybe a little bit as progression, but if we see that Bentley strong guide, WHO's really? Playing smart I think that's going to be the key into citing where Jackson's trajectory is going to go I. Think another fear for me is if going into next offseason? We start hearing about him getting time guard and and I. Pray to God. That doesn't happen, but I think that's been big right. Gordo I I do think it's a good thing to have Eric Flowers. You know they paid pretty big money for him rose three years thirty three million dollars. He had his best season last season. ECKERD, so he is a veteran right next to him to of help him get acclimated, but. Again. I don't think anybody's expect too much from Austin Jackson your one well and Gaoqi. You had mentioned. The kind of the connection between. Maybe a lack of confidence in the the penalties start to manifest itself a little bit. Raynham Trivia Nugget from last year. The dolphins were top five and most penalty categories, including pre-snap penalties so hopefully this culture of accountability, the wall, or whatever it was last year, hopefully that air of accountability kind of sticks with them and will help someone like Austin Jackson really. Focus on Can't lose sight of the fundamentals. Even if you are struggling so hopefully, he is able to learn that lesson and learn it quickly. One hundred percent, and that's like the perfect nugget and you have to wonder if all those pre stamped penalties you think about how much movement there wasn't that offensive line how there was not even a leader to really say all right. Come on, you know. Slap a roof over the you know. Tap Him on the helmet or whatever you know, this is what we have to do. Type of thing and hopefully Eric Flowers really helps bring that leadership ed because you can't. Just you know plug in five brand new guys I'm glad they have a couple of veterans and that's. That's why I kind of wish. They kept Kilgore. Older Guy I mean. I know you want to embrace these movie. I know onno his big four billion dollars, but the dolphins are bringing twenty million dollars, or so into the cat next season. So you kind of have this back, and forth for yourself is that what is the value? That veteran leadership would you bringing? These young guys and we're going to have to find out moving on no monogamy if I was him. And you know there's probably my bias is gonNA show here in terms of the Miami Dolphins if I was him, and not only I think a couple of people projected him in the first round, and I'm not gonNA say he was. Getting into, but not only you realize. Hey, you were drafted it. You got that first round pick. You got that first round money. You got that potential fifth year your Jack and then you realize you're playing in a backfield with Xavi and Howard and. Jones and you're playing a Brian. Floor is defense that held the best offense in the NFL to what three points on the Super Bowl I. Look at what he's capable of. He should be playing with house money this entire season, and that is a little scary, though because in two sites. I WANNA see him. Be The guy who's going for that aggressive big play especially when he's playing at. At the slack coroner, but obviously that also has the double edged sword of Hill beat sometimes now if I see a couple of big plays out of and a few stops in the run game way really showed he can play as that run stopping corner kind of like. I think exhibit Howard Environ Jones are capable of doing that if he does that big a couple of huge Not Maybe huge big plays at interceptor to a little more aggressive than maybe he should be and you can kinda chopped up to be a rookie. I think that's with the ceiling of the sky could be as that huge big big play potential, but they when you look at the floor I, mean I just kind of think of someone who kind of really frustrated me who could always give up the the third and nine win? The dolphins needed to make a stop with someone like Jimmy Wilson. And it'll be interesting to see I mean I. Don't know that I think it was. Matthew cannot obviously of former finsider radio host. I think. He owned pro football network. He did a mailbag this morning and he mentioned how it monogamy probably wasn't the dolphins I targeted almost sounded like it was Caesar. Is the the Center for Michigan, but there was a run on corners, and if there's anything that we've learned in the NFL you know nowadays, it's all about passing. It's all passing league in the way. The prime floors builds these defenses. We see similar to the way. Bell doesn't New England. You know they have a ton of defensive backs, they they. They invested all that money. And Byron Jones the already had the money investing exhibiting Howard. Then you invest a first round. Pick eggnog I knew this is a It's GonNa. Come in, probably just starting nickel right away and he's a physical corner that just you know. He has a ton of talent. Quick hips very physical at the line, good man to man corner. I just don't know and I. Think we all Kinda sat there, and we agree that the dolphins may not have had this huge need at cornerback you know. Maybe we thought they would want a running back or again. Offensive Line or they had other needs that they were going to address. Monogamy in a lot of this goes back to I. Think it was Berry Jackson road article where you mentioned that the pro day the way Brian floors went in there, and he kind of started to install his defense and try to pick players minds and try to get an understanding of what they do at the NFL level. There's no doubt in my mind. Dolphins fell in love with Ebony there, and that's kind of the stem from people were very high on this guy. It's going to be interesting to see where it's in and what this means for the Dolphins Defensive Back long-term because it's exhausting Howard expendable. Now you know what Sparring Jones contract like how far down the road? They decide maybe. That we see it every year in the NFL, it's way too early to talk about, but the more defensive backs you have for a team who hasn't truly addressed at that defensive line. You know they didn't get that speed. Rush off the edge. This will help the entire defense when you got those. Plethora of cornerbacks can lockdown and receivers. We mentioned on many podcasts that will allow those players up front schematically. Get to the quarterback and I. think that's the way the dolphins are building this thing. If you can stop the passing game, four set everything in front of you. Force team to you know. Allow those pass rushers to get to him. It's going to be much easier day for. For that defense a whole, and that's the way Bryant. Floors is building his defense and you gotta be excited because this is a defensive-minded head coach like you said that shut down the loss, the rams have not been the same sense of being completely honest. He shut them down I'm excited to see the way monogamy plays, and it's going to make everyone's life easier on that defense. Going into the draft, I think a lot of people expected an earlier safety, and so you're kind of revisiting that conversation, basically what I read into that you know they preferred getting. A quality player like monogamy. He liked to do a little Michael Jackson after that for some reason, but this smooth they they feel better about him. Being in the nickel and McCain being at the free safety spot then they wanted McCain as a slot, and whatever safety was on the board at that time, so we could make arguments for John Winfield Junior, and it was a pretty decent safety class and you know I'm sure we'll talk about Brandon Jones. Later on, but. With that earlier decision. Go with eggnog any little bit shorter than the corner fetish that they usually have which is around six foot two hundred pounds. But I think when people saw that the dolphins had signed by Jones and they knew that we adjust resigned xavien. Howard not too long ago. It's like well why we draft in another corner well. Effectively we could move on from. exergen Howard after this year. If you know the the standard of play is not what we expect, so. Yes, IT IS A. has both kind of short term and long term. Effect to it, which is why I like the pick so much because it does have short term impact he's. We know how prevalent nickel corners are on the field and today's NFL, so it's not like he's going to be short on snaps or anything like that, but long-term also has kind of a built in. test to see if he's able to a man, the boundary in the event that the dolphins want to move on from Xavi and Howard and have a little bit more. Better resource allocation to different positions, but again you know if it's working. We're were keeping Xavi and so I don't want anybody to hear this and think Sutton wants to get rid of Xavien Howard I'm just saying is kind of a plan b while also having some short term benefits. Just real quick. You mentioned earlier. Math bomb can platt his rest score again. This is another guy that's you know tested great eight point five. He had a great. Score and this another athlete you know. He played wide receiver converted to defensive back. This is a guy that can do a little bit of everything. It'll be interesting to see the way this not only fix dolphins like we both said short-term effects long term and allows them some flexibility with some of those players that you know might not be performing later down the road and he he was on the track and field team, too, so just a A. A true athlete I think looking at the floor. You know the one concern that I would have is I. Think he's more explosive than his agile. So when receivers coming out of his break at that break is usually when the wide receivers going to have that separation, and then he'll use his athleticism to close that window, but I feel like some short breaking routes might be a little bit of a challenge in year one so because as out, said he. He's been a corner for two years now. So once we kind of wants. The dolphins sink their fangs into him in terms of the playbook, and really massaging out better techniques from him I think he'll be able to overcome some of those agility concerns if there are any. And I, it's music to my here's music ears hearing the fact that the dolphins are being flexible, and you know plan for now a plan for the future I think that's just so important and something we haven't seen and you know I think to. If we use the first round pick and he's sits at a slot corner, and you think about you know the dolphins today. You know that make the playoffs because of Jimmy Wilson. He was a fifth round pick. The Dolphins didn't act to make the playoffs because of Bobby McCain I think he was a fifth round. Pick so I think the floor here. Is that slack corner for four years, and you might be a little disappointed with that, but you know. Corner can be such a big impact player. You saw them fitzpatrick due to the steelers last season. As much we hate to say it and as much as you know annoy could be. That's kind of the player you hope for Maybe not necessarily you know. Obviously he was a safety, but but that just the player. Who's going to be in the right spot at the right time, and that's really all we can hope for Aaron I'm going back Hue and we start talking about rate Kwan Davis here because you're actually on a podcast, the mind about this time maybe a month. Eleven months ago where we were talking about surprise cuts right someone who might get cut from the team. That's GONNA. Blow our minds, and actually no. This was two years ago. Excuse me. Jordan Phillips was a player who you said that the dolphins I think he's going to be cut and LO and behold weeks three weeks four, he was gone and when I hear everyone talking about someone like Ray, Quan Davis. He's got the power. He's got the leg his one great season, but then what happened that to me, sounds like Phillips somebody who can. Can and has all that potential, but it's that mentality. You need to make it work one hundred percent of the time. So when you see someone league required way. Davis, excuse me. We have here the draft network. Check them out because they're about as thorough as anyone. Their NFL comparison to him was jared. OJ, but I mean this this to me. Being another round pick screamed Jordan thumbs. I, you know I. Don't I can't speak to any of the lack of. Following through, and you know the motor concerns, I think those are evident and Phillips tape I think there's a lack of production on on some level with with Ray Davis I'm not sure that it's quite the same beasts, though so I'm dialing it back a little bit on that front. I'm actually reflecting on how happy. Bryan was. When you know when the camera cut to him after they drafted Davis I swear he was more happy about that than any picked. The dolphins had made up to that point. I think he's just gonNA. He's GonNa be a nice complementary piece to to the trenches and. When you look at this draft class overall obviously to. Get, you know the notoriety, but this is a trench. Heavy draft ran. I think it was obvious that the dolphins wanted to get more physical and more aggressive on both sides of the ball and I think. He has every chance of doing that. I think with skill skillset I kind of see him as a Yin Yang to Christian Wilkins, so I think Ray Davis is probably going to be little bit. Thicker and more have a better anchor and the run game and Christian Wilkins will be more of the Obviously, we want him to do everything, but has that better pass rush here all that going on in fact around, but Yes for the lack of production is a little bit concerning, but again he he's A. He's a defensive tackle. WHO's taken double teams regularly? So he's GonNa comment and be a role player, and I think he's going to play that role well. I think he'll kinda come men. And rundown situations for the most part and then Kinda wiggle in other facets and other roles as the season goes on depending on what happens with injuries and what? I think it'll be a good pair alongside Christian. Wilkins I think like I said the biggest thing was just how excited Brian floors was when that pick went in, it looked like he was ecstatic. Look like us on Christmas morning like he just got the player that he truly coveted, so we'll see how it how it fares, and it does seem like he's GonNa, probably come in and be moral type player, but he has the versatility. You can do a little bit of everything, so we'll see how he's utilized again like sunset. They attacked the trenches and I think that's setting themselves up for. For next year to attack those skill position, so the dolphins got better upfront. They got a lot of meat on their bones, both offensively and defensively, and that's really what they needed to do. in this draft. This is not a short term rebuild. This is a long term thing, and if you believe that they filled the offense mind defensive line voids in this draft next year they should be set themselves up to go out there and get those speedy shiny toys. A lot of people like to think we talk about Robert Haunting Interior offensive. Line Pigmeat, four Rake Juan Davis so I. I don't know if you guys want to give your thoughts on him. I admittedly have not seen a lot of Louisiana Lafayette film I know that a lot of people have compared him. You know as as a big grizzly bear that you know malls, defenders, pancakes players could have been first round talent, according to some if he went out there and was able to performance some of these events. So, what are your thoughts on Robert Haunt I know some people are comparing him to almost like a richie incognito, which seems to be a little bit of maybe that ceiling that we talk. Talk about, but what are your thoughts? On Robert Hunt I I'll start to you. So what do you think about Robert Hunt? He think he's going to be a guard? I know some people think that he might be able to play right tackle. What are your thoughts about? Robert Hunting the Miami Dolphins. That's that's the ultimate question for me with him. Is You know when you look? The dolphins team website is listed as a tackle, so are they gonNA try him at right tackle and Jessie Davis inside or are GonNa actually flop those and have pump play inside and Davis play outside. I can't say I really have a preference on on that. On that front I kind of trust the coach the Dolphins coaching staff to make the right decision there what I do like about hunt, though is having basketball background and you may not. Think of it right away, but as a former basketball player, there's so much. Overlap between offensive line technique and playing the game of basketball for so for a big boy like that to have basketball backgrounds. You kinda worry about the athleticism for for for guys that big. But he has all the makings of a true rogue trader in the run game, and you know with Louisiana Lafayette you kind of have to take into consideration. He might be going against guys twenty pounds smaller than him so and I also think it's a little bit cliche to just. Come in and talk about. Guards just wanting to blast through people I mean what that's kind of their job rate, so I don't think they're doing anything unique in wanting to push somebody into the ground Isaac. We were drooling over how hard he could push people in you know. He was out of the League in two years. So you know I obviously think hunt will have a better career Victory Than Isaac Ziada, but in terms of. It could be pretty bad, too. it could take a year or two to get up to the NFL of the game and be able to kind of. Grow into his body as well as in terms of NFL conditioning and being able to hold up for sixteen games during the season. So I think that's that'll be another challenge for this young man, but I. It does seem from A. Disposition standpoint that he is a quote, Unquote football player. He fits the mold that the dolphins want, and that type of football character guy, so I think he's going to check that. Immediately. When when when I look at someone like Bob. Big Bob I like I love that name. you kind of have to you kind of mentioned that you didn't get to see him. Play too much and you. You have to wonder if the company feel the things. He was able to get away with with the town. He's playing against. We'll really be able to transition. However, the you know he had. He fits all the checks all the marks that what you really want out of a player at. We mentioned that maybe maybe the floor. You guys went on a group in here, but I'm GONNA say his floor, maybe playing him at right tackle, and this can Kendall to a bigger discussion, because my my mindset is, why have a good player at one position when you can have a great player at another now you could make thirty that is harder to find the right tackle Yada, Yada Yada, but what we saw with the dolphins have done over the last ten years or so. They haven't had any good guards. Guards, you mentioned that Richie Incognito I mean I would love to have another player like that because the dolphins have had times when they've had to pretty good, tackles and a pretty good center, and it just didn't work. You really need to have a strong foundation throughout I think if he has the potential to be very very strong art and I think he has most certainly does I think you've gotTa leave them there? I think his ceiling is stepping right into their. Leaving no questions Yep. This is our guy from day one and yes, they're going to be. Some stumbling in the road. That's what being a rookie is about, but I mean just being able to have him walk in that position and thank Yup. He has drudgery to be our right guard for the next seven eight years signed me up. That's the thing I think the four once we're starting to talk about. Is He right guard? Is he right tackle and he's moving around quite a bit. Yes, I know Brian Floors and I know a lot of coaching like versatility, but for me I prefer especially someone first couple years league. Establish yourself at one position. I know they're different. Things tackled US compared to. I would love to have him someone who's a little bit. More raw unexperienced side to really just sit at that one position and really hone in on it and really become a true professional at it. Yeah I think he's he's. GonNa have to learn multiple positions I. think that's GonNa be the nature of the beast of playing the offensive line in the NFL. And I agree with you earlier point though I think with a position like the offensive line, it's about masking the biggest weakness because that's what defensive coordinators will exploit on Sundays is your biggest weakness on that front, and if you were able to get into a situation, where Robert Hunt is the big Bob, hunt is the right tackle, and Davis is the right guard and that minimizes. The weakness of On the right side of the line that I think you have to go with it now if you're in a situation where Bob Hunt is a better guard, but we're GONNA. Play him at tackle because. For whatever reason that's I, I would prefer scenario where we're. We just strictly approach it from A. Weakness minimizing standpoint, because We see offensive lineman chain. You know just like our flowers. You know ended up finding a home at guard, so if we end up having to do that, it's not the worst situation to be in to Hopefully. Try somebody right tackle, but if they end up finding their niche, right guard I think that's still pretty. Palatable outcome. And I don't think we can stress enough. How important the right tackle position is now that the dolphins due to a ton of I. Lo- I think everyone talks about it. You know protecting his blindside keeping out. Is the most important thing to me. I don't know how you guys feel, but I think I've seen enough of Jessie Davis Plan. Tackle any wrong this offensive line, so it's interesting that Robert Hunt is considered. Tackle by the dolphins standpoint by the you know the official site I think he will play guard. He can play tackle. It'll be interesting how quick he picks it up. Because like all these rookies you know they're up against the they have their backs against the wall as far as learning the offense getting acclimated the system. The speed fell game. It's going to be an uphill battle for all these guys but twenty twenty is almost a learning curve. You know this is the season to get those. To shake some that dust off and get out there and get some experience on your wings, because the dolphins are setting themselves up to have success down the road, so whether you're playing guard this year tackle I don't know that it's it could be either position, but long term I think this could be the dolphins right tackle, but again we got to see him. Develop an and go against some, and isn't Louise Hint Lafayette and some of those little guys that probably know washing cars are doing what they're doing right now, so. I'm excited about this pick. I almost feel like he might be further along Austin Jackson as crazy as that might sound as far as you know his abilities, but again Tom, we'll tell we'll see the way. He develops throughout camp in which position truly suits his skillset best. And so we kind of figured this out on the fly. What we're GONNA. Do here is we're going to stop after Brandon Jones, here and and Kinda come back air and if you'll join us to do, the fourth round through even some undrafted guys later on since these conversations have been pretty fun, and you know we're kind of cruising along here, so close it out here. We'll go brandon Jones from Texas and I think a good way to start. This conversation is to talk about what you mentioned earlier Aaron when you said Hey, the you know, they felt comfortable having. Plays Slot where the head Bobby McCain plays safety. Now you have Eric, Rowe who signed a new contract Bobby McCain might be the odd man out with some Brandon Jones hits that ceiling and becomes. You know a starter. That's kind of what you want. As a ceiling you want to become a starter seems simple enough, and this might sound a little lazy, but looking at the pros and cons where he struggles in coverage, but he's a really physical guy. Being branded Jones Rashaad. Jones I mean these guys based on. On these traits that I'm reading about Seema. Lot alike Am I kind of alone on that, or is that kind of how we should feel about him? especially in his rookie season, they have run stuffer. Who's going to have those highlight hits? Yeah, you don't know if it's just cliche. The dolphins just had one of the better safe that we can remember as Dolphin fans in Reshad Jones. You know he was studying the run game a leader on that back end, but he did struggled a little bit. Bit Coverage To me Brandon Jones might actually be a little bit better in coverage and crazy. That might sound to sitting here and dolphins may have aided overshot Jones after what he's done for this franchise I mean that's a little bit unfathomable, even think about, but for me Brand Jones the playmaker, some of the returns he has you see just the type of impact yet on that Texas defense I think he's a strong safety. I think that's kind of where he best fits like mentioned earlier vimy Kane. Kane is clearly the Free Safety Eric Rowe. He's also going to have his own say. I think we saw last year. They can go out there and just shut down opposing tight end, so it's going to be very interesting to see the way they utilize these three safeties, the versatility they have and what we can expect, but I do like to Brandon Jones. Pick think out of all the safeties and we mentioned earlier. This class was pretty good especially in that second round. Where could went after National Davis. Antoine, Winfield you know it could have been having Xavier. Kinney at one point, they decided to wait Brandon Jones was their target. Now, we just see the way that he fits into that defense because again, this is a second year. That has the potential to be one of the best units in football. It's all going to though come down to how Bobby McCain Brand Joan broken handle that back because we already know that those quarterbacks out front are pretty good, so. You got to kind of temper expectations. You can't sit here and say no. We're GONNA have the next Reshad Jones, but he does have the makings. He does have some similarities, and it would not surprise me one bit if we see you know maybe not the same type of player. there Michelle Jones was in the run game, but guy that's even better in coverage and I think that's probably the dolphins biggest area that they needed to approve last so I'm excited I'm excited to see the what he what he can do, and I don't know how you feel about that, but let's hear your thoughts on Brennan Jones. Brandon Jones I think you guys have already alluded to fits the the strong safety mode. Has. Played in several different roles with that Texas defense, but seems to project most as a strong safety for the dolphins, one of those players with when the when the place in front of him is very reliable I Would even say that I think he's a little bit better than we're shot Jones. Coming out of college with angles I think Rashaad was really aggressive with some of the angles at he took, and yet resulted in some splash plays in a kind of resulted in garbage plays at times too so hopefully, Brandon Jones's able to avoid some of those pitfalls, but I think from a role standpoint I think we're gonNA see more in a run defense. Mechanism and I. Four as his defense. I think we have thought all along. Wants to be that AMOEBA defense at wants to be positioned list at wants be able to adapt to every situation and so I think brandon. Jones is just another piece in that quest to have as much versatility as you can to. Put your defense in the best situation because there's just such a wide variety of situations that you run into in the NFL. that. It really helps to have players with niche capabilities and Brandon Jones's ability to hit hard. Take good angles and play well downhill I think really suits him, and in some ways for this defense because it would that's not body McCain's game, so I think he's GonNa add another layer versatility, those defense, and just allow the dolphins defense to be more creative. He might end up spending more time on special teams than he does. Defensive snaps here, but that's okay as he gets to master the defensive playbook and understands all these different roles that he might be asked to do. Then you know the game will slow down for him. He can start playing a little bit more quickly, so you know from a floor standpoint. Let's for me I'm going to assume that he's a a plus special teamer with some some possible. Snaps as a role safety situationally, and you know as a ceiling. You Know God, forbid. Injury back there and we need him to be the starter and. Thrown to the wolves and is able to. Shore up our run defense, because it's the dolphins really had some struggles in two thousand nineteen with the run defense, so I think between the beefy -ness of the trenches and having somebody like. Brandon Jones is a signal to me that the dolphins wanted to prove you know at all layers of that run defense. There's no doubt about the. Same with the depth and versatility the dolphins having the secondary, this won't be a brand floors defense that has the Pope Gronkowski in the in the secondary in order to stop just about anything and we know that. That wouldn't even work to begin with, but as I kind of hinted to I, think should kind of close it up there. We've been ranting and raving for a while now we'll have to make you of come back and see rounds four through seven. You know if you guys could take a moment and hit us with that rate hit us with I review and hit that subscribe button it helps us out also much, and it is so helpful in order to candidate. 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NFL Draft Winners and Losers + Ranking 32 NFL Quarterbacks (32-28)

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NFL Draft Winners and Losers + Ranking 32 NFL Quarterbacks (32-28)

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Start to join me and the diverse community of podcasters already using anchor that's anchor dot FM. Slash Dr. I can't wait to your your podcast. Hello and welcome back to another episode before the Buzzer Sports Pie test. I'm your host Jonathan Beer and I'm Alan Cares and Bradley Boya. In today we have in. Nfl episode for you we came out with an NBA episode in our last one. But we're GONNA try to mix it up a little bit more. Nba NFL NBA MLB Blah Blah Blah. But we're GONNA try to mix it up a lot because we know distribution in content is equally important in basketball and football especially since the season suspended right now so today we're going to talk about the NFL draft the top ten picks. I believe in the winners three winners and losers of the draft. And we're going to talk about our new series. We're going to rank quarterbacks we did the rankings already. We'RE GONNA Release Number Thirty to twenty eight today so we're going to four per episode. We're GONNA do a couple of weights early predictions in this episode. And they're they're gonNA be surprising so trust me so why don't you guys jump into the NFL draft all right? Thanks John so we decided to the format of four winners in three losers out thinking they could alternate between a winner loser. With our first winter we have the Arizona Cardinals eighth or Ninth Dick Pic. They drafted as as soon as arguably the most athletic players Annika draft. You can't go wrong with the linebacker who can play the D. N. The safety the cornerback linebacker. Everything he's four to four time. It's just you can't go wrong with as I agree with there. Isaiah Simmons was a steel for the car knows they only got better in this draft He fell right into their laps. In number eight. Didn't even need a trade down beautiful pick for them The cardinals will definitely be a sleeper next year for sure in the NFL. So we're going to try and keep each short breaks out. That's why the cardinals. Are I two winner for the NFL draft whereas the losers would you like to introduce our loser going to lose your for the draft? Now one of the losers in my opinion is strapped is the Green Bay packers and not not because I selected Jordan. Love I actually really liked that Jordan. Love pick because they did not select another wide receiver and that is a problem. They're just gonNA make Aaron Rodgers even more unhappy. It's like they're trying to push him away from Green Bay And that doesn't help Davante Adams because all the teams can just double up on him and Rogers won't have anywhere to throw because not only do they not have any receivers anymore. Besides Allen Lazard They also don't even have Jimmy Graham anymore. So Jimmy. Graham is a huge launched them. So I'm pretty sure they did. Sign Devin funchess. Which is supposed to help them out. But they could really could have really used another receiver in this draft And they did not get one so therefore they are a NFL draft. Twenty twenty loser I would have to relive the Jordan and accuracy of they don't have receivers obviously But yesterday by says Amazon they do have marquees. Bog does scalise SASHEBA last year. Who could who could look to first second option for rebate off the Distressed listening to our second winner. The number one pick we go cincy Jackson. Joe Borough Beautiful Pick for the BENGALS. They got their franchise quarterback T Higgins Salad draft pick in the second round. Joe GETS A weapon I think overall the Bengals from getting better and better and they did Andy Dalton today. So that's pros proves they're very committed to Mr Joe Borough happen you go wrong with arguably the greatest concert season of all time. Joe Berlinger L. Supernatural Ginger. And he was the highest murder to top. The ended number one overall picks up can't wrong about along. T- hang is not a target too so this you can't go wrong just a great pick for CINCY. We've actually second loser. We have the England patriots. He was a favorite team personally. Obviously Not Bandwagon. 'cause I stayed after everything happened so patriots did not draft a receiver. Either and it's not like a huge need for them but definitely could have used one. They traded out of the first round when there's so many great receivers coach traded up to get. Which would have been very very helpful. They did Do PRETTY WELL DEFENSIVE. Side of the ball on the offensive side of the ball. There could have really helped out Jarrett Stidham or whoever's going to play quarterback for the next season with another offense a weapon. I don't really know if Julian Edelman Harry Myers can really get it done And Goner. I just don't I just think they need another receiver to help. Fill that void. Maybe even another running back but I think they did well defensively but they definitely use some more offense so therefore they're a draft loser. I totally agree that they put up with their offense defense alignment with defensive Gilmore so they just need a top grade inch acquiring through our weapons on off That Proceed to accomplish which caused them to be a loser in the answer. Third winner of the draft. The Miami Dolphins drafting asset overall to two zero nuts franchise. Tv It's brought to is very boom or bust pick but easily be a boom could easily be a boom easily. Be a boss. That's why it's very like we have no idea but I think it's a really solid pick for them. They also got a lot better with the addition of Austin Jackson. And I'm blanking on his name. I'm really sorry but the cornerback drafted at thirty He's really they're both really good. It's not that I'm blanking on his name. I just don't know how to pronounce it and I'm not gonNA try but he's there. I think that's really odd dolphins especially after everything that Agency there get their qb Ryan Fitzpatrick a Harvard. Man Josh Rosen. Can help them out. It's just a really good situation for two is just to get situation. The dolphins they did pretty well in this draft. And that's why they're winners speaking of the boomer. Boskin bus about two very fragile. But he was definitely very fragile. I'm GonNa say it in college for Bulges if if you're getting battered beat up in in college you're GonNa see trouble the pros staying healthy have NFL career. Show that he's very good while rehabbing the and Based on what I've seen from him he's made videos and Salvador's recovery So I'm we'll definitely have to see how he goes. I don't think he's GonNa Start Right away personally. I do not think the Dolphin Slaughter Rehab that a little bit activist. Patrick a Rosen will start off the season but To I definitely think is their future quarterback and I think he's really an NFL superstar. If you can sail the with that being said we will move onto a less loser of the NFL draft. So this one really isn't a loser thing. Is this NFL draft on all the teams are pretty well? So I couldn't really find a specific loser but I did add the Tampa Bay buccaneers and that is because they traded up tristen wirth's which didn't really make much sense because he probably would have been there at fourteen anyways or before nine as you're planning on taking him 'cause this is before the Trent Williams trade by the way so guess I just think there was no point in that deal. I think the forty niners weren't gonNA go with Tristan wharfs anyways. I think there's no need for the buccaneers to trade up in. That's why they're losers but in my opinion The buccaneers got such a good off season adding radiant gronk. I'm him you can't complain about that. So those guys so I just think the thing is. This draft has a lot of winners not many losers. And if we're GONNA find another loser Tampa Bay for trading up. I sure so I told you that on shelves on our last winner that will be talking about in this episode. Possibly partout Coenen with some more wears. Luigi grow Attacker with their last winter with that being said Detroit lines are winter. Might be shock often. He did very well trapped. And that's not us being from Detroit. That's just I mean anyone can look at the draft. They had and be like Dan. They actually did pretty well. They get a franchise cornerback to get another running back to complement carry on they get They get offensive line then the filter defense they did they. Just sit incredible man. They really filled their needs and they really know what they needed. And that is why. I'm proud of the lines. One thing I didn't like the fact. They took two running backs and they took It's two running backs and I don't like how they took two guards bought on both of those guards are actually pretty solid and Both of the. What's it called? Excuse me the I don't think not running back was necessary but to be honest alliance. I don't have that many needs. I really think they can stay real to the closures just need to put it all together now but I really think the saw teams going to really go next year and we'll see what happens with a is just. It's just the lions the only issue. Yeah so they they like you said this'll Especially on the offense then. Drafting another Will keeping stubborn healthy is a big problem because he's always The League back so let's go into our NFO quarterback Thirty to twenty eight we have the list compiled and yeah. Let's do this so starting down a number thirty two. We have Mr Joe FLACCO. Who is currently a free agent Last season obviously Denver Bronco but he went on pretty solid quarterback but he's not a top. Nfl quarterback anymore. He's getting up there in age and there's obviously thirty one guy's better than what do you think. Yeah totally Joe flacco Ze near none of career. He has some great seasons with the revenge breath trying to call it quits. Flacco had a great career. But you're not sound quarterback anymore. Sorry but so crude anyways before Before we keep going by the way this is pre draft so none. No rookies are going to be in the top thirty two. This is just basically pre-draft all right. Let's keep going number thirty one. We have from the loss Angeles chargers former Buffalo Bills Starting quarterback in Baltimore Ravens. Backup tyrod Taylor. Tyrod Taylor is a good quarterback. He's good quarterback but he's Grounds to run the League from team to team two team other times of trouble. We've never got to see tyrod Taylor at his best never team for more than five years time. I think has was pretty good at Buffalo. He made the pro bowl in here as buffalo to their first playoff appearance in seventeen years with the help of Andy Dalton. Who's actually going to be up on? But I think so. No He's not actually but yeah. So tyrod Taylor He's a pretty solid quarterback He's been back over a year We if I think he will sort over Justin Herbert so definitely see more of them but yet again it's just one of those situations where there are thirty guys better than so. Keep on rolling all right. Somehow we have matvey Dawson's quarterback thirty. Sam darnold him. Darnold up earlier. Alert near quarterbacks Sam Darnold was not the greatest last year but part of that has to do with Adam gase. I think he can be a pretty solid quarterback in this league but as of right now he's got three Twenty again it's just like yet again is one of those situations once we get to the top ten. We'll go more Situations where like. Hey they're twenty nine guys in the NFL better than you at the quarterback position. That's what we were doing this off of. Who's better than WHO and Sam? Darnold is young. Yes potential but he is not better than the guys we have coming up here. Very true darnold. He's young adults. I really don't like Adam Gates. I think he's holding the jets back but Muskie moving forward here speaking near jets former jets quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick a Harvard. Mant probably the one of the smartest players ever stepped foot on the NFL. Football Field Riva's Patrick is a very solid quarterback. He's been very solid for every single team he's played for. He's the greatest quarterback ever but he's a pretty good qb He's getting up there in age to us about to replace him but he's really solid and Yeah I mean it's magic. So what can I say like you? Said he's very softcore back and he can Contribution any team he goes to but like you said earlier twenty quarterbacks though we could think of that are better than Fitch Magic. That'd be said at twenty eight. We have nick foles former super bowl. Mvp The Chicago bears new most likely new starting quarterback question mark. We'll see but I'm nick. Foles has had a pretty solid career as an NFL quarterback he was credible He was really good in Philadelphia his first few years then. He got traded to the rams terrible there that he wanted to retire. I think you guys know this story. He was in place mentally than Andy. Reid came over and said common backup Alex Smith and he did and he played a game played pretty well then got back to Philadelphia and you came back and let him to count four playoff wins including the super bowl. So you know I think. Nick foles as out for so now. He's under very rich contract. He's probably GONNA START IN CHICAGO We go from here but You see some more of them and you can definitely move on this list based on what happened last season. He's currently the twenty eighth ranked quarterback and moving up to twenty. Seven is not his weight. Doing thirty to thirty eight. Just wanted to sorry We'll get the twenty-seven next time but yeah those are your bottom for by actually side. So yeah that's pretty much all. We have for a specific episode. So peace out. Everybody make this this episode. I'm just GONNA warn you. Are we apologize? Once again are inconsistent scheduling. This episode may not be edited to well. We had a couple of technical difficulties as you can probably here right now. But it'll it'll get better. Trust ME DRUMMER IN YEAH DOUBT. Elastic podcast. go listen to that. Last takes was by guests. They interesting probably at least just before we end this Bradley thirty twenty. Two one eight thinks y'all we need a blueprint for real wait. We're still recording bloopers episode. We ought to we got through signing off hopefully guys roasting safe and healthy out there from Allen. Let's get it.

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Chargers LAtely Episode 1: Chargers Team Needs

Bolts from the Blue

24:44 min | 7 months ago

Chargers LAtely Episode 1: Chargers Team Needs

"Hey everyone and welcome to the very first edition of my brand new show called chargers lately and if you guys if that sounds familiar at all it's actually the very first twitter handle. I had before I changed it to zone tracks and I get artwork for the show and everything like Vat. You'll see that. I spill chargers lately with the LA capitalized. And obviously that plays into you. Know they play in L. A. And obviously that's kind of the joke. I think it's catchy. Whatever some you guys are probably thinking and wondering what happened to powder blue review well probably review was with blue wire and unfortunately I am no longer with blue wire because I got hired fulltime onto espy nation and can't really work for a competitor as you work for another team so now this is it. This is the new show charges lately. I really hope you guys enjoy it kind of had to spring up out of nowhere honestly with the draft here. Obviously I want you guys to kind of get my thoughts be able to talk to you guys about the team and what they should do in the draft and all that good stuff. So here we are. It's kind of like a guerilla. Podcast coming out of nowhere. But today's episode. We're just GONNA talk about the team. Needs for the chargers talking about what positions they need to target the most and keep an eye on the closest as we get closer and closer to around one on Thursday so if I had to make a short list of what positions I think. The chargers should look into obviously quarterbacks at the top and depending on who you are that's on the same tier as offensive tackle. So we're looking at a starting quarterback team needs a left tackle and some of these secondary positions that the chargers obviously need to look into our linebacker depth wide receiver three and potentially another running back to pair with Justin Jackson and Austin editor and one. That's probably on the bigger side right. One that can score touchdowns from the goal line. Be Used when Austin is not in the Backfield. He is out wide in the slot. Move around the formation but the chargers still have a threat in the backfield even if awesome out doing something else so we're kind of just going to go from position to position. Pardon me and I'm GonNa talk about you. Know the top guys guys. That should be their first selection right when it comes to that position. So like a quarterback. I'm going to go through the guys who they could potentially take six and then if they don't take a quarterback at six some other guys that potentially target either around two three whatever so on and so forth when we get into some of these secondary needs. Well they're probably not gonNA go wide receiver and the first right but the highest could go with wide receivers the second and if they don't take the second or third maybe there's some day three guys same thing with running back. Maybe there's a guy on day three or sees me round three and if they don't take one you know in third round maybe they take a guy on day three rounds four five six seven. Something like that so yeah. We'll just go ahead and start with quarterback mean not too much structure to this show. Where is GONNA get this bad boy going So quarterback obviously Joe Borough is off the case. There is no chance charters. Get Joe Borough. Barring them trading the entire draft hall Allah the what was it the Saints Trading essentially their whole draft frying ninety seven plus a first and third to draft running back. I believe it was Ricky Williams. That's obviously not going to happen. And you would hope no one ever does anything like that ever ever ever again. So options at number six right. It's too it is just an Herbert and to a much lesser extent. It is Jordan love. But I'm including here because he's still deemed a first round quarterback regardless if I think he's a first round quarterback personally Secondary options if they don't like either of those guys they decide to pass on quarterback. You still got guys like jalen hurts. His obviously very interesting writing. Or you're looking at Jacob. Jason just tall big armed physical stature Type Guy. Kinda checks all those boxes. If you my personal opinion I think the pick your needs to be two I I I don't think you can pass on a guy who so fundamentally sound in naturally accurate in all phases of it right in the pocket out of the pocket off platform able to make these throws in honest to God. When it comes to quarterbacks in me Looking at quarterbacks evaluating quarterbacks what ID most important is just pure accuracy now. A lot of people will take quarterbacks who may have some fundamental issues and they think oh if they just fixed this that they they raise their elbow up a little more. They could fix them these accuracy issues and I'm just like no patch. Mahomes coming out do not have the most Orthodox throwing motion right. People dinged him for that and they didn't know how he would get away with in the NFL and obviously we see that patch. Mahomes is doing just fine in the NFL. If a guy is accurate if a guy in no matter the situation knows how to contorted arm angle knows how to put touch on the ball in some way shape or form put a different spin on it to make sure it goes where it needs to go and get to their their wide receiver. They're tied in the running back whatever. Then that's a naturally accurate quarterback too is that I think you know without getting too much into the advance stats. He was the most accurate quarterback in terms of getting the ball within the cone. The the body of the receivers right that they didn't have to jump off the ground enough to fully extend he always consistently got the ball in a position where the The wide receiver whomever caught the ball within. They're kind of like body cone. I'm not sure how to describe that. They didn't need to try that hard to to to stretch out and make like a difficult catch. He didn't make it on his receivers. Then you've got a guy like Justin Herbert olive physical traits in the world. Right Big Guy. Six to thirty five ish Depending on part time of season he's been as low as twenty five he's been upwards of two forty at sometimes guy ran like a what a four six eight four six nine forty he can use his legs and I don't think he uses legs. That oftener was even allowed to until the final couple of games of the season where you saw him rush a lot and will the ducks over. Utah in the PAC twelve championship and over Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl game. He needs to throw with better touch. He needs to throw almost a natural grace to it. I'm not sure how to describe that either. It just looks like he's forcing passes but forcing not in the way of like it's double coverage he's trying to force the ball in a tight window. No it's just instead of kind of grip in it and ripping it to his receivers with a short intermediate deep. It looks like he's just guiding the football a little too much and it makes me think that it's not as natural for him to just throw the ball and I want throwing the ball to look as natural as possible like essentially. You're in the backyard playing around with your friends right. I just wanted to look that natural and easy for you and I think he's kind of struggling with that a little bit Jordan. Love a guy who went from throwing for thirty two touchdowns and rushing for seven more into eighteen with. I think against six seven interceptions all of a sudden through seventeen interceptions to twenty total touchdowns through the air just took a big step back. Obviously everyone knows that he lost coaches. You starting personnel around him. I get that so I I don't think he's a backup quarterback. I just don't think he's worth a first round pick and then again. Your secondary options hurts and eastern hurts as guy scored over fifty plus touchdowns. I think he ran over twenty touchdowns through for thirty two. I think it is regardless of what you think about his game in whether translator not some. Nfl coach is going to be able to probably get something out of him. And he's got a lot of those uncuttable intangibles that you could look into and I won't be like mad if they took him at the top of the second if they took offense to tackle with the first round pick I just wouldn't feel great about it and that's kind of just a gut reaction to the idea of that pick moving on we've got offense tackles now. I'm a little bit of a homer here and I. I know I don't like being home. Obviously by always just say that. I'm a little biased. With who I think the tackle should be in. If they're going to offense attack in the I I think it needs to be. I was Tristan worse. I think guys like him or not. You know drafted or in the draft. Every year I think he has an amazing combination of fundamentally being being fundamentally sound technique wise on top of his elite athleticism and one of his biggest Knox. And I'll even give. This is that he tested dominantly at the NFL combine. But when he's on the field he gets the job done he's a good player but he doesn't dominate his opponents physically the way he dominated his athletic testing. You know he's not finishing and tea bagging and doing terrible things to defensive lineman the way Clinton Nelson did but honestly if you look at tristen size like why six five three twenty s. That's roughly what Clinton Nelson was. It's just a different mindset. I think he's between the years I think he's a little bit softer. He's a good good kid mama's boy but he's so athletic he's still super dominant and getting the job done. It's just not in that nasty way that you would really prefer your offensive linemen To have such that. Mindset Jesuit wills little more of a nasty guy finisher. He is super athletes. As well. Not The athlete attrition. Works is but just for the offensive. Tackle position is an athlete. I think he ran a five zero seven. I WANNA say was jumped thirty four and a half inches which was just to less than than worse overall good Athletic Tester But the guy can move very well also very good laterally reach blocks you know beatable across the faces of outside shades when they run into him good. Good athletes good demeanor with the position. He played only right tackle at Alabama though he was the only top tackle. Those four guys worse wheels. Becton and Thomas. That didn't have any snaps whatsoever at the other. Tackle position away from the one that he played so everything he did was at right tackle. I wouldn't be overjoyed with the pick but I still think I mean this guy. We can work with. Wouldn't make too much sense with a blog. Pick just got worse. Could play left tackle if needed? Then you get like. Obviously the true left tackles come into the strap you got becton. Thomas Becton is sodium cool to watch play football because he's massive and he doesn't move like a massive guy there's been guys like I think exact banners name was a six eight three hundred sixty pound guy who when he played you could tell he was just so big and could barely figure out how to move his body. That'S NOT BECTON. Beckon is actually super ran a five one one unofficial forty at the combine still superstrong to twenty-three bench reps at the combine. Apparently you know that was due to much lower than can really do his trainer. Duke many weather put up a video after the combine showing him do thirty reps at the end of a workout and that was obviously much higher than twenty three done at the combine road greater. The guy can use all the torque in the world to he doesn't have to vertically displaced people he can just latch on uses hips. And throw a guy out of a hole to create lanes or the running back and he's got that nasty mindset that I really liked for offensive tackles Andrew Thomas. He is probably the best pure pocket. Protector pass protector in this draft Great fee smooth. It's a little choppy. I would like to be a bit smoother. But he gets the job. Done has really strong hands so once he gets his hands on defensive linemen and pass rushers. It is really hard for them to disengage. And that's an easy way for offense alignment to be deemed good right like once they get their hands on you. You're done for that's pass. Protector should be at the end of the day. My biggest worry with Thomas is that he struggles with power I saw him get literally. Tossed by defensive tackle Rashard Lawrence from lsu on several occasions and one of their last games against each other. And I don't ever WanNa see that from a dominant offensive. Linemen that sucks. You don't Nelson doing that. Some of the top tackles and other guys in the NFL. You don't see them. Give physically tossed two or three yards in the air on a single play. Just not the big fan of it secondary options for often attack if they go quarterback in the first. You're probably looking at guys like Austin Jackson. As Cleveland from Boise State Josh Jones from Huston. Tcu's Lucas Neang. And Isaiah Wilson. Who is the right tackle? Who played with Andrew Thomas at Georgia? All those guys are good players good athletes Lucas and Yang has dealt with some injury issues. But I think Cleveland actually here might be the best bet if the team is looking to go towards a more zone base run scheme. I like better athletes guys. Who are or better out in space? Who climbed the second level and are able to break down. Get in front of secondary defenders latch onto linebackers and create help create bigger run lanes right. They allow the run lanes. Not gets jumbled because they're able to get up to the linebackers quicker than the linebackers are to kind of read their keys and start disrupting their place. So I do like Ezra Cleveland Austin Jackson is also a pretty good athlete as well. Josh Jones didn't tests that well but he looks really good in pass protection. He's another guy that if you wanNA pure pass protector. Josh Jones is probably your guy in terms of that second tier of offense tackles Lucas and Yang. Good good laterally as well. I watched little. Tcu Film the Guy can get out and space. The guy can move around He played mostly right tackle. But I've seen him move back and forth when the team needed him. Good Versatile Guy and then Isaiah Wilson phenomenal athlete as well for as large as he's about six three hundred forty. Five fifty pounds ran pretty. Well I think he ran like a five two which is still good for that size. Strong strong strong strong. You'd like you've seen him at the combine. He was wearing sleeveless shirt and his his biceps. Triceps are just popping. And that's something that can get. You excited about offensive lineman. When they're physically built that well looking like they put in the work they know what to do. They made themselves that way. It's just a test of their work ethic and their knowledge about how to get the most out of themselves now moving onto linebacker. There's only one linebacker that I would have at pick number six that I would be comfortable with. And then as obviously Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson he is a army machete. The Guy can do it all and he's good at everything right. People make that whatever that analogy is over. You know your jack-of-all-trades but a master of none. Well I mean the guy's really good. It was not a master of a bunch of stuff. He's to really freaking good at a bunch of different things. I don't think he's going to be a deep safety whatsoever. I know like he tells the safety. That's plain linebackers. Well he's not going to be. That guy is going to be another Derwin James. Whether you're GONNA use a sub package linebacker will linebacker something like that. He's going to be on the field a lot and he's GonNa move around the field a lot secondary guys for linebacker you're looking at Jordan Brooks from Texas Tech. You're looking at Logan Wilson from Wyoming and even Kenneth Murray had ham moore is probably going to go in the first round sometime after the chargers pick in the first but Daniel Jeremiah. I believe it was recently had a mock where Kenneth Murray fell to the chargers with their second round. Pick at thirty seven. I wouldn't really be against it. The Guy was a tackling machine is a wild child doesn't does have issues in coverage but at the same time. I don't think they would need him to really be covers. They have plenty of other good college or coverage linebackers as well as bigger safeties that can fill that role but Jordan Brooks Man Jordan Brooks productive all four seasons at Texas tech most recently over one hundred eight tackles. He had twenty tackles for loss. Three sacks twenty tackles for loss. This is a guy who had five for loss in sixteen only had a half a tackle for loss in seventeen six and a half in two thousand eighteen and then went off for twenty tackles for loss. The guy was a wild child he lived in the backfield. The Guy can sift through traffic and get two running backs before they get to the line of scrimmage. I like him a lot. I probably wouldn't take him any earlier than round three though Logan Wilson just touch on him a very good coverage. Linebacker rectal tackles at Wyoming Again. A not amid major. But he's a group of five player right so it'd be interesting to see how he would fare against some of the top talent. He did participate in the senior bowl down in mobile and he did have a decent week but nothing. I heard that was terribly crazy. Impressive going on wide receiver kind of run down. The last two to secondary options terms of team needs for the charges in this year's draft wide receiver. So some of the top guys the names. I have for the chargers. Maybe at the top of the second with this. Whether it's Denzel Mims they need speed right so speed is going to be a big deal for some of these wide receivers that I have selected. Denzel mims six three two hundred twelve pounds kind of broke out over. The last two seasons for Baylor had a phenomenal week at the senior bowl. The Guy was great killed in one on ones and I understand one on ones are made for wide receivers to to win the same way. That one on ones defensive lineman offense of Lyman. The defense is normally going to win but he just create separation on a consistent basis. He would. He's so good and contested catches as well on top of having four three eight four three nine forty yard dash speed right. This is a guy that can not only run away from people but when he has to be contested he actually has the proper ball skills to make these catches to snagged out of the air. He's physical at the catch point. And that's what this chargers team needs. They got Mike Williams. Who's obviously good at the catch point? Keenan Allah's no Sasha's well but having the speed they missed Sarah Williams they do do do need. That doesn't Jefferson's another name. I think he still goes in the first round. Not He's not a absolute speed demon but he's still a four four. Five guy played for the defending National Champs. Was really good for them. I think he's a solid wide receiver. That if he's there at thirty seven I don't know how you don't take a look at him. Some of the other names speed guys. Florida's Van Jefferson Penn. State's Caja Kamler. Tcu's Jalen Ray Gore who actually didn't test nearly as fast as we thought still fast. I think on the fours but we thought four three. Maybe even touching four twos. Unfortunately that wasn't the case at the combine Van Jefferson's another six three wide receiver. I think is about sixty two hundred pounds like the speed size combination but Hamer ragwort are probably going to be your slot guys I they're not going to be your ex. You're flanker whatever they're not gonNA win contested catches. They're just going to create separation and probably be a you know a guy on third down. They look too often in early. Some later options so these are all day three options as well Denver. Nee Four three nine forty from Texas. He's about five. Tends just stocky built really well contact balances? There can be a home. Run hitter Everything clicks and he's able to make one guy miss he's that type of Guy Darnell moonies a five ten wide receiver. One hundred eighty seven pounds to lane also ran a four three. Something Fortieth Combines Louisville's four three eight speed there and we've got zeh coulter. He was a four four. Four four four five guy from Rhode Island. He's six two. I WANNA say about two hundred and five pounds can be a good X. Wide Receiver can play beat one on one coverage raw but a good athlete in someone that the chargers could basically work into slowly into that starting lineup of wide receivers now finishing this whole thing up. We've got running backs now. The chargers we already love who they have at running back right. We Got Austin. You've got just Jackson Love Ecuador. He can do anything he wants to win. An offense and be good just Jackson in his limited time. He struggled with a little bit of injuries. But when he's on the field he does make a difference and he makes plays happen. All you gotTa do is look back to what he did to help. The chargers comeback the steelers two years ago. If you look at his numbers he's really efficient. His yards per average believe is well over five. The guy's good just knows he's not the fastest. The crazies athlete in the world was a four time. Our four year starter northwestern all four years when over one thousand yards ninth player to do that in big ten history. The guy's good and so if the charges aren't sold though on Justin Jackson being that complementary partner to Austin Ecuador I would say maybe round three s highs around to take these guys but cam acres. I love Camakers from Florida State. He played behind one of the most. If not the most horrendous offensive line In College last year and he was contacted every one at a three runs of his he was contacted behind. Or at the line of scrimmage and the guy still rush for well over eleven hundred yards I think had over twenty touchdowns not entirely sure close to it if not guys good phenomenal and then you look at Zach Moss. Bigger Guy Five. Ten Two hundred twenty five pounds. This would be your goal guy. This would be your guy you know could turn out yards. He was I think he recorded. The most broken tackles at of any running back in the country this past season. That is something that the chargers need as well. Melvin Gordon could never seem to really that done when he was one on one with defenders in open space some later options as well on Tonio Gibson from Memphis. This is a guy who was technically a receiver in college but was a utility guy he he. He rushed the ball. He caught the ball. He did it all. He looks like he's GonNa be a running back in the NFL. He's a big dude. As well. Let me see if I have a stats or anything pulled up here E- I don't think I did anyway. He still was efficient terms of touches per score or scores per touches. I believe he's five ten six foot two hundred twenty seven pounds. The guy is solid Josh. Kelly Hi Love Josh. Kelly he was. He's a hometown guy. Ucla lose five ten two hundred and fifteen pounds. Something along those lines. He's solid. He had a really great year. Or Excuse me great senior bowl this year. I think he was one of the. I don't know if he was the MVP or not but he had over one hundred yards in the senior bowl. Game The scrimmage that Saturday five eleven two hundred nine hundred pound back. The Guy can kind of do all you can make guys miss. He's got some hops. Will Hurl over you given the chance. I'll he's a late day. Three guy you can come in and be a significant contributor for the chargers and then lastly I have a guy named Shavuot a looney Lua and if you guys haven't seen anything about Shavuot he is from TCU He was never the spotlight feature back for the horned frogs. He split the backfield every year. He was there. He played for years this past season. He split the backfield with a guy named Darius Jet Anderson and it's weird because a guy who's nickname is jet didn't even run that fast before. I think he didn't even break four fives but oh well she will six three two hundred and thirty pounds two hundred and two to be exact tenants. Hands huge ran a four six six at the combine. It's going to be the fastest thing in the world. But this is a guy who works out with The footwork king seen him social media. He trains a lot of college. High School won't even professional players like lady on Bell. Melvin Gordon Darius slay He works with the best. He knows how to get the most out of these guys all about footwork and he know Shay what was got really good feet jumped thirty six inches broad jump ten foot three four to eight in the twenty yard shuttle. The guy was a wildcat quarterback near the goal. Line for the horned. Frogs scored a lot of touchdowns eight this past year. Seven the year before the guy has a nose for the end zone knows how to break contact as well very good with yards. After contact falls forward is able to be slippery just enough to get past the first defender. He just didn't get enough carries or else I think he would've had some of the best numbers in the country comparatively. So those are the guys I like for the chargers kind of quick and dirty on this but again guerrilla podcast needed to get this up and I know you guys some people have reached out to me about powder blue review and wondering what was going with that so surprise here we are. This is the new show chargers lately. Still deciding whether or not you know the the frequency of these. I'm going to be posting a lot of little short pods throughout the draft. Week You guys come up to date on my feelings reactions of what they're doing and guys. It's Christmas every single day. Christie's Christmas Eve every single day. This week I honestly cannot wait so really Guys listening in hope. You guys enjoyed the quick and dirty of the T. needs probably gonNA post this on Bolt from the blue. We'll talk about in the comments. 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Episode 59: Mock Draft Podcast

Establish The Run

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Episode 59: Mock Draft Podcast

"India has no and welcome to episode nine of official established and run DOT COM. Podcast my name is Adam Levitan. I'm one of the cofounders here at. Etr and draft week is finally here at long last. So what we want to do. Today was conduct kind of our own. Mock our own mock draft. I will be playing the role of Roger. Goodell of course without the forty million dollar contract without everybody doing me from the comfort of my basement our GM's will be two of the most accurate. Mock drafters over the last fistful of years. That's Evans Silva. Of course our hero and excited to have Scott Smith from Rhode Viz Action Network with as well Scott. What's going on in? Gaza presented the draft over four days. Away Yeah Man. Better better be. It's coming fast and it's the only thing that we've had. It's all about for a long long time and we're to do after this. Sc of nothing. I guess on Sunday Nights. We got the Michael Jordan Documentary. But it's into the deep dark on the abyss. Yeah we might have some some best ball options coming after the draft so stay tuned for that a little tease there for for our friends in the WHO enjoy drafting fantasy teams is. I know everybody does but the plan basically here today is we're going to go through team by team in the order of the draft and we're talking about Teens who we think who these guys are GONNA make a pick why they think that that is a good fit for the pick who else. T- might be considering anything else about the team or the draft SPA and so ever GonNa take picks one three five etc Scott's GonNa take picks two four six et Cetera. So with that we will enter the twenty twenty. Savagery mock draft Cincinnati bengals owners of the number one. Pick with any don or on the clock. I see the floor to you at an Lsu quarterback Joe. Borough is going to go number one overall to Cincinnati. I think the Joe Borough is ready to play in the NFL. I think that he's maybe the only quarterback in the strath that is ready to start in week one after no offseason workouts and likely abbreviated training camps last. Preseason I think the Bengals can have a quick offense at turnaround with Joe Borough at quarterback. Joe mixon returning Tyler Boyd. Returning A. J. Green back on the Franchise Tag John. Ross hopefully can stay healthy. Get twelve fourteen games out of him. Joe Williams back From after missing his the entirety of of his first season the in injury in and I think at number thirty three overall address another offensive line. Turn this thing around quickly in second year. Zach Taylor Scott You also have jober go number one. Is there any case to be made for anybody else now? I think Joe Boroughs Talk. Here your specially when you start looking at the bengals in the way they played last year they they ranked dead last. Plays with twenty yards or more. And you look at how borough moved the ball within that. Lsu OFFENSE GETTING BIG CHUNK PLACES. There are successful. You know whenever you got foresight Moved Down to do Oscars nothing everything that the bengals need right here. The first outrageous fifty six hundred seventy one yards sixty touchdowns for Joe Borough at Lsu last year in that. Joe Brady offense. Let's go to number two pick. The Washington redskins are on the clock Scott yet for the Washington redskins going with edge. Rusher chase young. I thank God. Jones widely regarded as dust blaring. Nfl draft right now by most scouts. He's a little bit less refined than what I think. The most proposal brothers are source. Pass rush move and being able to use their hands with Ron verite over as head coach yet Jack del Rio there at the defensive coordinator the redskins making this tick can finally start to form some type of identity for their team there with the front of the defensive line honey for from They have with a pain and Alan and I notice has actually been very good since attack was well and it all so allows them to transition away from Ryan Kerrigan whose Oregon legal team next year. So I think Say Schanzer. Easy talk here. Just like Joe Borough. Yeah I mean wrestling's did a horrible job of keeping this under wraps essentially have said for the last few weeks. They're taking chase young evidence of any disagreement with the redskins decision. Which seems like obvious right. Now they're gonna take chase young note. I think it's an excellent pick. All right now it starts to get interesting number three Detroit. Lions are on the clock and it seems like they may want to trade down but if they stay people don't even know who they're gonNA take saucy the floor to you. Evan Detroit lions number three spot. I definitely think that they should explore trading down But I I'm not sure that the thirst for the quarterback position is going to end up being there. The giants did put out a completely laughable Report using you know the An NFL mouthpiece to uh spread word that they might say Justin Herbert at four. But you know we're we're going to be able to see through that. I just think that that's the giants knowing that there is essentially no market for their pick and trying to drum up some interest in everybody just kind of laughed at it. Because we know it's not gonNA happen but for the lions at number three. I have them taking Derrick Brown I think that you know Jeff. Okuda appears at number three in virtually any mock draft that you see in these mock draft competitions. I think one way of getting a little bit of a leg up on the field just because I know that Jefferson is GonNa be there like eighty ninety percent of mock drafts. I'M GONNA try to be a little contrarian go with Derrick Brown and I don't think it is really that contrary did it will inside the NFL. Absolutely love Jerick Brown. I think that the lions are better at cornerback. Right now than they are at defensive tackle. They had the worst defensive line. The worst defensive line in the League right now. They're they're best. Defensive Tackles Jamie Shelton. They signed in free agency to a one year deal worth. You'll have max like three and a half million so I have them taking brownies drawn. Some endowment can sue comparisons also like him as a longshot. Bet around like ten to one or anything longer than that To be the number three overall pick lions were twenty eighth in Rush Defense Devi away last year cure. Scott who who you would have the lines taking your actually agree with their brown evident. I mentioned this in our draft show that we did together. Look if you look at what? They have their defensive tackle behind. Danny Shelton pretty much washed out with with Cleveland and then contemplate a little bit there in New England. There's three undrafted college. Free Agent said that are sitting there behind Danny Shelton so they definitely need some air defensive line that you know there are twenty nine against the past per football side is in the thirty first is four sacks that could not get any pressure the middle so I think Derrick Brown makes a Lotta sense right here in. It's definitely country in place over Jeffrey. Koo All right number four. The New York giants are on the clock. Where Scott here? I'm actually very excited about the giants offense for this year. So I'm curious. Who Scott has the giants number four overall? I'm going with offensive. Tackle wills out of Alabama. I think when you start looking at things you know the there's been some Isaiah Simmons talk but I think that's going by the wayside and I think the bottom line it comes down so what is going to do to go ahead and protect the investments that he has in both sacred art. Daniel Jones You Start Looking at you. Know Nate sold over on the left side. They can kind of get free him after this year. I think they can actually say around. Thirty million doesn't make him a post June first gut. But I think you see how nate solder plays out after this year. And Kinda make that decision and you also get your year to go ahead and Scott Wills. Because he's primarily. GonNa Right Tackle. So it'll give them some room to see how he can perform in house if he has the ability to move till it to left tackle So that's why have they are And I think I think just once you start looking at a gentleman and a history. He's the guy that makes the most sense you know. We talked about Joe Judge and the connection he has with saving and atherogenic wells is going to be a solid took a hog. Molly forget who sent out one of the most Pathetic Home Office pictures I've ever seen in my entire life last week. Evan any disagreement here with the giants. I know I think we're both going to be pretty high on Daniel Jones and the giants offense from a sneaky perspective. Fantasy Indem taking judge. I think you nothing to quell that. Yes absolutely that's the plan I think the only obstacle that might get away his villa by the name of Jason Garrett I like the the young offense of core that they put together is GonNa be fun for fancy they're going to be bad on defense and Scott and I are are in lockstep here on the first four picks all right. Let's move to number five overall selection Miami. Dolphins hold this pick a lot of needs for the dolphins. Obviously as they through their rebuild. Evan could you have a dolphin staying in number five? I'm taking Justin herber and I think the smoke has been there throughout the draft season often where there's smoke there's fire. I think that Seems are genuinely concerned about the health of Tua and that is not you know some fabrication. I mean I think there are really really strong indications that he's GonNa fall a little bit Certainly past the number five Beck and the dolphins have been infatuated with Justin Herbert for eighteen months and You know I think that. There's a lot of debate about Justin Herbert among like the the mainstream media draft analyst. But at the end of the day I think this is the player that dolphins want Scott any disagreement there just in Herbert number five. Before now I. I completely agree. I think they had. Scouts have legitimate concerns about whether or not to his actually maxed out skill love when his capabilities there? Would you see now along with the injury concerns that he has? Scouts just seem to think that he's brought to once you start looking at along. The same receives. I and I just think. Herbert is an unfinished product. Right now he athletically he compares pretty similar to what you saw that they went ahead and had previously quarterback. He's very athletic and I think he's. He's a good cop to to Tannahill and I think. Scouts look at him as an unfinished product. He might not have the leadership that that comes with too. But you know. He's a quiet kid. A lot of people seem to like. I think the injuries weren't a concern. You might see to a here but like Evanston where there's smoke there's fire in our into a drop especially COSMI. Abby betting market has reacted You know it was slow to react kind of like a big crucial but then once it got going now Justin Herbert. He's actually the favorite to be the second quarterback off the board at most books are number six overall pick where Los Angeles chargers current have. Tyrod Taylor pencilled in as their starting quarterback. Let's go let's go to Scott. Who Do you have the chargers taken at six yard? The charges in it and we just talked about him in my previous mock drafts ahead as they assignments. But I think right here. We're going to go with to tag of Alo- quarterback from Alabama a lot of things when you start looking at with the chargers have for me is. Sms just doesn't quite make sense because he's very similar skill set to what they had their Ad James. He actually played a lot more snaps their slot owner and safety. He even did linebacker so I think maybe as you start to see a little bit of a fall and then you start looking at some of the signals. You've got from from artists. They're all assigned Brian. Blaga who's mysteriously played right tackle to left handed quarterback that the chargers were in the running for Tom Brady during all season so even oh you hear that tyrod Taylor is really loved by Anthony Linda. As far as quarterback I think at most Taylor could just be a placeholder and a bridge to go ahead and get to a another all season. Maybe another year to get healthy and I think think Evan actually had had a good sad about but to sitting out you know how how much it would lower his chances of rendering themselves. So I think right now in in my final mock draft. I think two is going to be pickier for the chargers at six. And I like tyrod Taylor. I think he's an underrated player. But not not anywhere near the kind of quarterback than you need to go to super bowl but I would say that Like the idea that you should pass on a quarterback you liked because tyrod seems insane to me right like I. Just keep taking quarterbacks. If I didn't have one and try to get one on a rookie deal that I think I can really win with everybody. Think the charges will do at six overall. My second elapsed mock drafts. A hadn't taken tristen wirth's The left side of their offense had their ereck side. Looks good with trae. Turner and Brian Laga in Mike. Pouncey back at center. The the left side of their offensive line still looks really really bad. Which clearly left tackle would they would Have Competition of the season starts day between Sam. Heavy Entrench Scott and I mean that's just that's a turnstile at that position so I had Tristan works out of often out of Iowa and then I was going to switch it to a Peter. King's mock draft Came out on Monday morning. And he reported that the chargers just absolutely love. Andrew Thomas out of Jordan offensive tackle. The top four offenses act was are all really interchangeable. And so I mean a and there's a bunch of needs for offensive tackles in the top eleven selections so it's it's not really easy to to pin down but man at the end of the day. I want to see the chargers take to Tango Valla at number six overall I think that they could drop them into an offense with Hunter Henry and Tina. Now Mike Williamson Austin actor great defense on the other side To kind of protect the offense as comes along learns So I I might end up with two at number six in my final mock draft which will come out on Wednesday night all right. Let's go to number seven. I've seen like almost all mocks. Had the same guy here. Panthers are on the clock a evans seventh overall. What do you think I have the panthers taking? Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson the Panthers of course lost Luke Kuechley. They Lost James. Bradberry their defense is they lost Mario. Addison who led the team in sacks their defenses in really really bad shape right now I think they might look at Shaq Thompson to be their replacement for Luke keithly and then Isaiah Simmons to be that. Maybe they're they're more like that would give them two linebackers who I think could play Like all three downs. Isaiah Simmons in Shaq Thompson. And they just they need they. Their their offense is kind of interesting. I think we're going to talk a lot about them. I think leading into fantasy season early fridge needs an awful lot of help and I think that is as humans could easily be the number one defender on their board. Yeah I've Seen Isaiah Simmons mock to the panthers in almost every mark that I've seen yet his prop. I mean you could still get over six and a half plus money as recently as a couple of days ago on his Ahah Simmons. I'm curious do you also have taken as as Simmons No? Actually this is where ever disagree a little bit. And and he's absolutely correct as far as looking at Carolina defense about you start looking at more in the secondary and they lost bradberry to the giants across from Dante Jackson. Right now they have. Corn elder is. Who's scheduled to start? I mean He. Here's a guy that was actually picked up off the practice squad for the giants and I just don't see that you know I. I think when you start looking at things and we talked about Jeffrey Okuda. You know being passed up there at three. A few. Jeffrey Okuda would make a lot of sense right here. Because there's such a big gap in `Cau- from you know Okuda in CJ Henderson into that next Group of defensive backs there so for me. I actually grew to make a lot of sense right here in a hidden in see them. And if you look at it and look around and information look the Carolina. Panthers Fans are hungry for Huda. I think he's a guy. There'd be absolutely furious if they pass over here. Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense for sure if Khuda does sleep slip down there number seven. Let's go to number eight overall where the Arizona cardinals the exciting cliff Kingsbury Arizona cardinals on the clock. Scott what do you have for me? You Know We just talked about Okuda. I think if If you go ahead and see. GonNa drop down right here. I think he makes a lot of sense. There have been looking for somebody you know across from Patrick Peterson for for quite some time. I think Okuda wit would go ahead and inject a good talent. There net secondary so originally in my mock draft have Tristan Worse. I think they need syntactical. They have. Dj Humphry signed to a three year contract so they gave him the extensions. I think worst would make sense as far as right tackle but here in this draft scenario think of who to drop it down makes a lot of sense arts. Alright Evan White if Simmons Gets to the cardinals or do you think it. Kuda is when he gets to the cardinals. Yeah I think these guys have so much time or interchangeable at Seven and eight Okuda and Simmons But I do think that the wildcard is if the cardinals take one of the tackles that is available and in the scenario that would be a Tristan worse or or Andrew. Thomas so did that or or MCI Becton so I think that is a definite possibility for Arizona but yet in my in my second to last mock draft here. I had Panthers Taking Isaiah Simmons and then the cardinal shoring up that longtime number two cornerback we weakness opposite with Jeff. Okuda all right now. This is interesting because in this mock that that we've done I believe to If the charges intake to if we have them taking worse as Evan suggested or Thomas Demonstration too is on the board as we go to number nine here for the Jacksonville. Jaguars Evan to is a great like long shot to land with the Jaguars We did a an NFL draft option. Show Scott I my brother in a Joey In it was a and we looked at the odds of going to the Jaguars and it was twenty to one and I think there's a realistic scenario where to does slide just outright slides to the Jaguars and I do that. There's also a realistic scenario with the Jaguars could try to trade up for him. Being four picks in the top seventy five they have two first rounders and they've got an owner in shod con that has got to be frustrated with the Jaguars Gm He shown so much. Loyalty to Dave Caldwell over the years and they still do not have a franchise quarterback in the past on Shawn Watson Patrick Mahomes and the most egregious when they were right in the marge actions range. They took defensive tackle tavern Brian over Lamar Jackson just a few weeks ahead of where. Lamar went through the Ravens so I think that there's a chance that ownership could actually step in here and encourage or enforce other Jaguars to to make a move to finally secure their franchise quarterback anything about that Scott to have a realistic chance of landing with the Jaguars. Yeah I think if to goes ahead and and drops past the ago excuse me to the Los Angeles started. I think you could definitely see him in. Play here for Jacksonville. But were interesting. Things it's really look at you. Look at Garner Menchu. While he wasn't highly drafted last year he actually outperformed rookie of the year collar. Murray in yards per game touchdown per game in through less interceptions than collar Murray did while it was only over twelve game start versus sixteen for College. I think the the coaching staff from from their standpoint. They might want to see exactly what they can do with a full all season with arguments. You in you know another year whereas as Evan talked about the the owners might not want that they might push for to especially if he goes ahead and drops here. That's a chance that I could definitely see them. Make taken if to drop down past. The chargers are it's GONNA number ten overall with one of the most disappointing teams. If not the most disappointing teams in the toy nineteen season. That's the Cleveland browns on the clock. Scott at number ten overall. Yeah I think whenever you look at Cleveland and what they did last year I think offense attack was definitely a big need. Espec- they're less Akron for me. I think you start looking at at at the guy scenario there of Georgia and I think Andrew Thomas. This makes a lot of sense. If he's sitting here. The one problem I do have is when you start looking at things and typo offense. That's the fancy wants to riot. There's GonNa be a lot more zone blocking so. I've offered a lot of rumors that they're they're very interested. In Cleveland. Offense attack of Boise State. They've actually had combine interview with them that a private workout. They also had an another workout. So there's been a lot of interest there with Ezra Cleveland. This is also position where I think you could start looking at some seems like Denver and other other wide receiver hungry teams to to go ahead and move up wherever clearly going to go ahead and get some ammunition to move down. Make them later pick and maybe also add some fixed to move up and get leaving the if that is indeed but under the circumstances. I'm going to go ahead and give them Andrew. Thomas Georgia yeah. That's interesting because the jets and the raiders Broncos forty niners. This is the range where the wide receiver needy teams. Come in if you have a preference you probably want to get up here to the browns pick happens in number ten overall and as a Ian Rapoport pointed out about Ezra Cleveland. He actually has the last name The same last name as the towel which So that's just an genius connection and number ten Thomas I have I have gone to the browns right now and I think that they could take. I think the Browns Andrew Thomas I think they could say Trista werft fee falls here and also they can take MCI beck if he falls hear all. Those guys are graded fairly similarly. And you just take whichever guy falls at number ten to to the browns and then I think the same is the case for the for the next thing that we're going to talk about all right. I've seen people mock wide receivers. The New York jets. I've seen the mock tackles in your jets at eleven overall. Evan what do you have the New York jets doing taking though the falling offensive? Lineman in that in this case it's going to be MCI Becton Daniel Jeremiah. Actually MCI BECKON is number seven overall player and the number one overall offensive lineman in the draft. He's six foot seven fifty a great run Blocker Louisville. And you know like when you have thirty six inch arms and you're that big in long and and you had good enough feet like guys just cannot get around you. I mean they certainly can't get through you and they really struggle to get around you and I mean that size in that length is so so valuable and he moves well enough at that size and length that I think he can hold his own athletically thing is that he got flagged for a drug test. I don't even think tested positive for any drugs or anything. But he had a a drug test that was flagged in. I think that in a year where teams are going to be very prone to risk aversion He winds up being the number four. Tackle out of these stud for You know just just because of that. Yeah I think it was a marijuana thing but the books did a lot of them did take back in off the board in terms of his over under. I'm not sure if he's back up on the board yet in terms of over on the drafts largest while information like that comes out obviously could cause a slide. What do you think about the jets are going to do at eleven? Scott tackled definitely makes a lot of sense. It's hard to get a consensus ranking on. How teams are going to view these taxes on the top of the board as far as the jets go. I think they have a specific player in mind there at tackle and one of the things that that I've really been read into athletic recorded that the jets were linked to discussions with the redskins. About Trent Taylor Trent Williams. He's one of the players that I think could also be an option for them. In a tray there undrafted the tackle that they want doesn't alter them here. I think they could definitely go ahead and give it to see the lamp when you start looking at the jets last year. They were dead last in March for play. They also ranked lassen fresher allowed so I think both wide receiver and tackle make sincere if the tackle they want doesn't fall definitely see Trent Williams and and CD lamb. Maybe is all backups. They're eleven speaking of wide receivers widely mocked the Oakland raiders. Las Vegas Raiders. Twelfth overall is a wide receiver. Scott what do you think the raiders are due at twelve? Look I'M GONNA go ahead and and kind of veer off the path year. A lot of people have had entered rugs. But I'm going to go with C. J. Anderson Cornerback C. J. Anderson Back Florida. Look you can't really predict what might may ask him to do. He surprised a lot of people. Were clearly Farrell. Last year you start looking at the current cornerbacks. They had their Starting you're looking at Molin and Nevin Lawson I don't think that's the modern To with their cornerback. Starting a Lotta mock drafts that wide receiver here but I think you could definitely see them. Go ahead and take the top cornerback. That's left and maybe look at a wide receiver since two classes of deep with that second position. Yeah I think The Jacobs pick was Jon. Gruden ask but as Scott mentioned. It's Harburg Jon. Gruden IS GONNA do. And what do you think happens at twelve or other readers taking a wide receiver Bud there have been like Tony Pauline and a couple of other like draft insiders who have really good track records said. They don't think that she jay Henderson. Getting past the Twelfth Bet And then he could maybe even go inside the top ten and be surprised you know to Arizona. We talked about is that longtime number. Two cornerback weakness maybe not number nine zero the Jaguars so I don't think it's crazy at all. I know that. A lot of a raiders fans do because my third last mock draft. I had C. J. Anderson going number. Twelve it to the raiders. And I was you know all the biggest got death threats on twitter raiders fence. But I think it's I think it is off the beaten path. I think that it is contrarian but I also think it's like very realistic. Yep Okay another team. Widely linked to cheer San Francisco Forty Niners at thirteenth overall. Evan what do you think I have? Cpa Lamb Oklahoma wide receiver. Deebo Samuel is awesome. And I'm going to try to have him as high as I possibly came in our twenty twenty redraft rankings. I mean I think he's in a great spot. Even if the forty niners do take a first round wide receiver. I think the first round ride receivers are gonNA take a little time to to come along and make impacts because of no offseason workouts because of no rookie minicamp. Because I don't think that there's GonNa be a lot of Training camp practice or like maybe one or two preseason games but I could see Cd Lamb gives the forty niners at big time. Run after catch that they love And that no cow. Shanahan can help scheme open. Cd Lamb and he can You add on additional yards with just the best run after catch receiver in the draft. Guide can move around. He averaged over six yard for route. Run in the slot which led the nation this past season seventy percent outside receiver but at thirty percent slot receiver and just dominated whenever they got him inside. And I think that Shanahan is GonNa love that versatility yeah Cd-rom lead call triple in most advanced metrics last year. Scott what you think about the forty niners at thirteen. Yeah I think they're going to go water seaver There's been some rumor as of late that they're interested in trade now trading back from both fix that they have their in the round. But but look I think whenever you start looking at things I think lamb makes more sense there for the forty niners in with Gerry. Judy does because you start looking at Jalen Hurd. Who's the guy that they might wanNA use a slot a little bit? You Start Looking at Deebo Samuel. And there's only so many so many targets that you can get into to these guys. I think lion is definitely a better fit in summaries other can maybe see them dividends inroads they want to open it up and and. Kinda get deep threat but I think wide receivers the best at your reporting all right fourteenth overall the Tampa Bay Bucks. The Tom Brady Tampa Bay bucks are on the clock. Scott what you have ya I was going to go with MCI. Becton here but since I've already went ahead and picked them a little bit earlier. I think we're going to pivot a little bit and go at divine kin law Minute so basically for. I have a protect Tom. Brady at all Austin Tampa Bay would definitely look at. Maybe moving up in this draft is to secure our left tackle. If if they can't but here they can get a attack Wa. Thank you go ahead and look at Japan. Kim Law who's recognized? Scouts is a top talent. He dominated the senior bowl and Tampa Bay. Team definitely need some help there on defense Yeah one thing and maybe this is a reach but down. Jeremiah tweeted today. That Austin Jackson is a guy that will go higher than the experts or the mock drafters. Think I know Evan Things? It's impossible landing spot for Austin Jackson. What do you think of and to my first three months dress but also Jackson number fourteen to the buccaneers? I think that. The buccaneers ideally in their minds would want to act. I mean there has been talk. They might trade up whether in a small window here with Tom. Brady and I think they're going to want to capitalize on that as much as possible in this scenario went with Austin Jackson. And I think that he's probably GONNA end up more in the twenty S. Maybe maybe like twenty two Minnesota Twenty six to the dolphins But but in this scenario with you know all with the top four tackles going so quickly. I think it forces the box to make a little bit of a reach but they did not resign. Demar Dotson in free agency. Donovan Smith is a guy that they should probably be. I mean they. They shouldn't have never signed into that big deal. That they gave him Oss Jackson. I think is more ready to play right away than he's given credit for. I think he's the clear number five Taco in this draft and that report from Daniel James. Jeremiah gave me a little bit more confidence. Just having him in my first round of even wavered on him maybe going like thirty three overall to the bengals. Yeah market had Jackson's over under on draft slide at like twenty six and a half dollars a ton of juice on the under now but signs do points Austin Jackson going I under- that twenty six and a half. Let's go to fifteenth overall Denver broncos or on the clock. Evan I mean Jerry Judy slide in here so we gotta take a jerk duty. I think Alabama and I think the choice here you know in this scenario mock draft just a scenario you're presenting a scenario where not projecting trades year where we can talk about trades or not like actually projecting trades And I think in. The broncos have been rumored to be a team that is interested in trading up for a wide receiver which I think is just ridiculous in a draft where you know there may be a wide receivers that are first round caliber and eighteen inside the top one hundred six and But I think here you go Jerry Judy. I think that his separation skills just his own another level and I think that's going to make life a lot easier on drew. Lock who still kind of shaky rejection. Scott there was a time. I thought day Sean. Hamilton was going to be the man opposite. Portland Sutton. I was proven wrong when you think about the fifteen. Yeah actually think Jerry. Judy makes a lot of sense. He's actually going to be the player that final mark. I think Jerry. Judy is GONNA end up with Denver. I think there's a very good chances. Denver could treat up to solidify their chances to go ahead and select judy. I think he makes a lot of sense for her drew. Lock not to go ahead and play the slot opposite of a Portland Sutton. They need to do. Something with their offense and look John L. Really doesn't have a good track record of picking offense players. I think Jerry Judy's estate pick for him all right sixteenth overall. The Atlanta Falcons as we move to the second half of the first round Scott. Who Do you have? Sixteenths falcons going Caleb von Czeslaw from Lsu the edge rusher look edge is very shallow in his draft then. If there's anything that Atlanta needs they need some edge rusher so they they haven't done well with it with tact McKinley and and you start looking at some of the other guys they had. They need an injection of some pressure to get on Iraq's especially in the NFC south. So I I think Shah talking go head in a ring that there for them there with Atlanta and I think there's just such a huge drop off as far as the talent standpoint after inside so I think Atlanta would be happy to go ahead and see him he. You're in the middle of the draft. Yeah fascinated big investment offensive line early in last year's draft expect that to start paying dividends soon. But just a mess on Defense. I seem you. Have THE FALCONS? Defense here at sixteen. Also Evan. In this scenario I I think that the Henry rugs ago. Okay you say you know Von Chess on this dude who had nine and a half sacks is entire college career. He is not going to turn. Our trash can defense something useful on his own. So what we do is we say. Fa and we're just going to try to outscore you every single week. And you know we're not GONNA TROT OUT WE'RE NOT GONNA play with ten men and use. Russell Gauges are third receiver. We're going to have out there and we're going to try to outscore you. And that's GONNA be with Henry Rugs and Lee and I mean Julio Jones entering his age thirty one season so I mean he's he's not going to be getting any better like the you know the the trajectory is down for. Julio Sir they're all -fensive line I think has changed to be good if those two first rounders that they took last year Come along. They've got Alex Mack Center. They've got Jake Matthews left. Tackle left guard. James Carpenter has a lot of experience in the NFL. So I think that they're I mean at this point like their defense is not salvageable. And I think you've gotta take the air on the board and that's an rugs But you know I. I spent like all day Saturday. Arguing with Alcan's fans about that so so that's who I would take in my second ass mock draft. I had him taking C. J. Anderson. Apparently they want to treat up maybe to go get. Okuda whispers that they they WANNA trade up into the top five Chris Mortensen reporting today that Falcons among the most aggressive teams trying to move up. Yeah that would be fun though. They took him waxman. You'd have two teams would play no defense by an offense in the NFC south with the panthers and the Falcons let's go to seventeenth. Overall Americans team the Dallas cowboys are on the clock Edna. We're going to have to stop. I mean we're going to have to stop Henry rogue slide here and he rugs going to be your third receiver with Amari Cooper. Michael Gallup and the doctors are just going to have to go into hibernation. Light IT UP Scott. Hopefully they trades you. Kellyanne Start Toni Ballard. Now we're talking Scott. Yeah it would make a lot of sense of rugged order slide down this four You know it's it's a situation where we have like different amok different players. Go on a different position. So that's going to hinder drugs to kind of slide down here. I think look it would make a hell of a pick there for for Dallas Fan. I think they would be excited about it Yeah I can definitely see it. I also think you have to start looking at some other players here warmer guys at. I'm really high on and we talked about a little bit. I think Cesar released the center from from Michigan as a player that a dark horse. That can go this. I I talk about a little bit on the drops that we did. I think Cesar Louise is you held in higher esteem that with the center last year at NC state that that Minnesota drafted I think he's a guy long shot. But you start looking at travis retired. I think we talk about the identity of what Dallas is there a run? I seen that wants to get Zeke and ball and Dak still has its on Sahar. We're GONNA make that happy. You Know Henry. Roads would definitely do it but also let's go ahead and see about maybe getting some protection from Cesar ways there at center. Yep every night discussed possibility on last week's show also when talking about the bet regarding will Dallas take offensive player can certainly get a decent amount of money if they take offense players says he's obviously qualifies eighteenth. Overall dolphins are on the clock once again. Scott Yeah I think whenever we start looking at it. What are dolphins need They got the quarterback earlier in this scenario. And we talked about Austin Jackson. He's the guy that I would go ahead and have getting kicked here. It's a little bit higher than a lot of people have owned. But apparently coaches love athleticism Traits that he has So I think Austin Jackson at offensive tackle out of C- makes a lot of sense Another pivot guy that you could possibly see anything. Scouts may be a little bit. Laurel is Josh. Jones often tackle out of Houston so I have them go attack here in the first round with the Second. Pick that they have been. I've seen January swift mocked as highs eighteenth overall to the dolphins which would be infuriating to me as somebody who bet zero running back. Go in the round. But what do you think dolphins at eighteen? Yeah I haven't taken a colleague on Kingston out of Lsu He already went to number The Falcons at number sixteen And I had also Jackson going on number fourteen to the buccaneers but Nine I think this is a realistic. I also think that if you're not succeed res. The dolphins should look at him. The dolphins really could go anywhere. They've got fourteen picks they've got three first rounders and a whole lot of needs. So I I think we're really throwing darts here but I just think that a lot of a lot of different dudes make sense because all the Miami chirps being of holes raiders are back on the clock at nineteen. Evan Las Vegas Raiders. What he got so they went with. Cj Henderson a number twelve overall that them in position. Here take This is what's going to happen in during the real draft like the Internet somebody get slowed and get on with computers. Not GonNa work. And they'll be like is where they taking. I mean I think I'm going to have to go with Justin Jefferson. I thought about him. I think that are well. Let's just go with Jackson Jefferson? We we can definitely go. We JUST JUST JEFFERSON. Maybe the highest floor receiver in the draft. He's like a poor man's Michael. Thomas you can play in the slot. He was mostly a slot receiver this past year before that he played more outside reinforced for three at the combine to ease concerns about his speed Dress Jefferson Tyrone Williams. Hunter Renfro during waller as your pass catchers. I mean I think you can work with us. Yeah and I won't say that because I have just Jefferson under twenty one and a half trap position. Scott what do you think about? raiders in nineteen. Yeah under the scenario and Emma last mock drop. This is exactly what we have is a Justin Jackson there to the raiders. Especially if they go ahead and take. Ck Henderson early He's got some longshot. Mock drafts there. That that have Jordan love starting to come off the board. The raiders. Making sense that you start looking at Jon Gruden and how much. He loves quarterbacks. But I I don't think love's GonNa be a factor here I think he's GonNa further down and and maybe out of for frowned altogether but look under this scenario in last mock draft. I had the raiders agency. They Henderson with their first first round. Pick in this right where. I have just endorsing going. Who's a solid pick Our twentieth overall Jaguars London Slash Jacksonville. Jaguars are back on the clock. I believe we had them taken to with their first pick. Scott would you have Jaguars now twenty? Yeah you know for the for the Jaguars Think the player that I'm GonNa go ahead and look at is a cornerback. Aj Terada Clemson We talk about the tackle market in just trying to find a consensus. At cornerback is just as bad. They're tackle I think that secondary has struggled for awhile since they got rid of Jalen Ramsey. So they need some help there on the back end aged. Tyrrell's a guy who's there at six one Iran in four fours. I think he makes a lot of sense. They are for for Jacksonville Secondary. Who's GonNa need to know? It wasn't that long ago Evan. That Jacksonville had like one of the most hound defenses. We've seen in the last decade like for it was real short time but there was like a year or two where they were just absolute loaded in now as Scott alluded to I mean. Their defense is one to pick on. What do you think the Jaguars do at twenty defense was so loaded? I mean and then they lost Helvin Smith and they In the training Jalen Ramsey traded class Amblin. They're gonNA CONCOCT WAY and they cut Marceau areas like the entire thing as come apart. It's it's really bad. I mean it's just it's not even there anymore like it. It's not is not a good defense at this point really So I I actually Patrick Queen going to them Miles Jack. Moving back outside issue. I think he played Patrick Leahy in the middle and he takes on a lot of those responsibilities that they never filled with Following Tilvin Smith's and a surprising retirement at twenty first over all the Philadelphia Eagles on the clock and I think eagles fans at least are hoping they'll go wide receiver in this scenario. The top four wide receivers are off. The board would think at twenty one to the eagles. Evan Jalen Rieger Wide Receiver Out of T. C. U. I think in a scenario with all these wide receivers going off the board and Jalen Rieger brings that that big play dynamism That they really need in their offense and I think that they could work them into the slot. Quite a bit Between Al Sean Jeffrey and Sean Jackson both those guys are probably gone. After this year at some point they're going to have to try to get something out of jj or Sega whiteside. But I think that they can't fall victim to try to chase. That sunk cost in. Jj Sega whiteside and they need to add speed to the perimeter of their offense with a guy that can get open. Jalen region will be able to do that. I actually added a prop to my article. Today you can get plus two seventy five that Jalen Ryobi drafted ahead of Denzel mems and you know. I think it's probably a coin. Flip at this point. But I think Evans announced by people pointed out that Denzel mims kind of meteoric rise might be more on twitter and in the media than it is in real. Nfl CIRCLES SO YEAH. Rieger to go ahead of mims if you're over in New Jersey and get some good stuff on that Anyways Scott Eagles at twenty one for me when whenever I start looking at things. I tend to agree with With Evan here especially with Jaylen Rieger Look Philadelphia. Fans will will be completely upset if they see anybody Dozen Jefferson there a wide receiver. But I just don't think the junction a good fit for Philadelphia. When you start looking at both Have our whiteside another guy who kind of fits like a big slice? It would just be a redundancy. As far as skill set Jefferson brings as far as a big matchup slot. Effing big definitely need to go ahead and get some St I think Carson Wentz is actually succeeded and more dynamic quarterback when he's had that speed to work with on the outside so I think Joan Rigor makes a Lotta sense year in and he's God it's been moving up looked at the fantasy communities. Loved THEM IN I. I I think it's starting to catch up here with some of the scouting community. And he's a guy that I actually will probably also have their Philadelphia Jeremiah. Also tweeting today Monday. That Jalen Rieger is another guy who will go higher than most people think and twenty one makes a Lotta Sense and qualifies their twenty second overall another wide receiver. Hungry team. I mean guide. The Vikings have absolutely nothing behind Adam. Feeling right now. Twenty second overall Minnesota Vikings around the clock. Scott I'm going to go to another lsu guy and I'M GONNA go with Christian Bolton cornerback at Lsu a lot of secondary help the the their they had an a mass exodus there with a tray wings and all their cornerbacks basically even during off season in other places so they definitely need cornerback out any tackle who were Denzel MOMS could also be option. I mean a wide receiver. Help Denzel MOMS. That also needs to where you could see some of these other guys going as well but right here. I'M GONNA go with cornerback. Yeah I would assume as you get deeper in these mocks in these mock draft contests that accuracy gets less and less as you go deeper and deeper draft. You guys probably know better than me but it would seem like that'd be the case but ANYWAYS EVAN. What are you have? Twenty second overall Vikings and especially in the twenties. It's it's I think it's tougher this year than any year. Usually there's some decent intel on Players that are going to be matched up with teams in the twenties late. Twenties and early thirties but there has been very very little at this year. Jalen Johnson is a guy out of UTAH That I looked at for the Vikings actually at number twenty five in this scenario I think also would make sense at number twenty two. I just I think the Vikings are gonNA come out of this with starting cornerback whether that be Christian Fulton whether that be Jalen Johnson whether that be Jeff. Glad me I think that they're going to take a guy with one of their two first rounders and this is a good range for cornerbacks and Rishon. Folsom I just I have not gotten a great feel for where his draft range is going to be said for Jalen Johnson that these guys could go Early twenties or maybe even go deep into the second round. Just I don't have a great feel for where these guys are going to go. Speaking of not a great field patriots. I mean this post Tom. Brady era Will be one of the most talked about first round selections because people want to know. Do they see Jordan love as Tom? Brady's heir-apparent do they see it worth trading up even though they have so many holes on his team do they see it as our trading up to try and get to a or somebody like that everybody you have for the New England patriots at twenty third overall. You know I actually had giovane kinloss. Falling here Scott mentioned him as early as number fourteen to Tampa Bay but heard that there are some medical concerns on Giovane Ken Law and I think that they that he could end up following into falling into into the second half of the first round He lands with the Patriots. The Patriots strengthened a strength by improving on defense. And I think that's what they're gonNa Kinda Ri- into twenty twenty there. You know bringing along a young quarterback who's highly inexperienced. They're going to try to lean on the run game a little bit offensive line should be a lot better with a bunch of guys coming back healthy and then they're going to play good defense and try to be like a ten six or team. That really wins with Notre Dame miniature style quarterback you know a a an improve running game in a defense and still one of the best in the League and Devante law a very much. A compliments that kind of strategy in K. This would be a pick that. Espn would hate. I'm sure because they would get to talk to the Tom. Brady era parent talk. Scott you have the Patriots going quarterback here at twenty three nonstopping. There's a quarterback on the board. There's no way or form do I think Jordan love fits we. Bill Belichick wants to lead his team at quarterback. The decision making for Jordan loved. Isn't there I think when you start looking at this team and where their identities GONNA move into post? Tom Brady. Area era is going to be over on defense. I think this is going to be a defense official. I think there's an outside shot which may be offensive lineman big but I I think it's definitely GonNa be. It'd be a defensive pick kind of actually looking at Bonn who is kind of fringe range but I think he kind of fits a little bit of a need there and when you start looking at the the linebackers they'd have a Econo- reminds me a calvin oil a little bit but you start looking at new. England has at linebacker. You're talking silly. Cowing John Bentley and Brandon Copeland or the only guys that they have their outside of Dont`a hightower some some losses that they've added dern all season Alright twenty fourth over all the New Orleans saints are on the clock Scott. Obviously they have quarterback questions as well is taste on hill. Their prayer to Gibraltar. Did they start looking quarterback? Now this is more interesting questions here. I'm actually going to go a different route. I think they need some linebacker. Help if he go alonzo there saen for for years Alexander alone. He's looking at his last year. Won't his rookie contract. So I'm actually going Murray linebacker here to Oklahoma Jordan. Love does make a little bit of sense. You know. I have some Intel that that drew brees was actually ready to retire and actually was had already informed team before the role that he sets Retire He got talked back into to another year. I think this is absolutely going to be his file year. And we we start looking at teams. That could go ahead and take a chance on Jordan love. It's GonNa be both a GM who's comfortable in not on a hot seat right now. An offense coach that has arrogant or ego enough to think that he can go ahead and fix the issues that you have Jordan while the saints were rumored to be in play back when Patrick Mahomes is was there but I think under the circumstances I think when it comes down to the actual draft. I'm going to have the saints. Go ahead and pass it here on. George Love Backer K Evan. I know you think the saints are at least have a chance to quarterback. Hear what you think they'd do at twenty four. I haven't taken Jordan love but no for all the I mean. I think it's just as likely that the door and love just falls into the second round and I I don't like the idea of Jordan. Love being the Saints Pick Number Twenty four because the window again is very small. Wind up with drew brees. I mean as got just said I totally buy that. He was ready to retire And I think that he could retire. I mean you know after after this season so I would make sense for them to add an immediate impact player Jordan. Love is not that Kenneth Murray would be that So I don't know we'll see where I have been like. I know Ma but I. I think that that's a. That's a very sensible pick a number twenty four Kenneth Burke twenty fifth overall. Vikings are back on the clock once again. And what do you got? Yes so Scott. Had them taking a corner Christian Fulton on of Lsu at twenty two them second Jalen Johnston Out of Utah and number twenty five But I'M GONNA go with here. I'm GonNa go with Josh Jones. Houston offensive tackle The Vikings days they have done a good amount to try to address their offense of lying in recent years. It's still not good enough and I think that Josh Jones can help them whether it be. You know a short term. Fix at inside in your one. I also think that if he is deemed ready enough they can put them at left tackle and move Riley Into left guard which is something that I know that they've entertained which is never fall in recent years Scott. Vikings picking very close together once again here any thoughts on the Vikings at twenty five. Now actually I agree under circumstances. I think You know there's really only three positions I see them them drafting with the two picks they have here in the first round. That's going to be some type of offense attack. Warning cornerback a combination with possibly a wide receiver in area. You heard some rumors Democracy Denzel movements going to the Vikings You Start Looking at the draft rob. I think his draft Scenario at thirty two. So I like to tackle pick a little bit more and I agree with Josh Jones. Here all right. Speaking of teams in the first round picks for the third time in the first round the dolphins are on the clock at twenty. Sixth overall. Tell you don't tell me you don't have running back going. Here's please got no running back at zero one back in my first round draft Rolodex Xavier mckinney. The safety out of Alabama. You start looking at the way make fitzpatrick performed and and how they ship them off to Pittsburgh and I think they they have a whole. They're on a secondary exam. Mckinney checks. A lot of the boxes. That coaches go ahead and look forward. It has louder traits played in Slot Corner. He's laid safety. He's very good bullets. Any Nick Sabin Raves. About the guy so I think he makes a lot of sense here for for Miami late in the second round time around. On the dolphins I also have mckinney. Going twenty six to the dolphins and I think that the Brian Florez who comes from New England view him as a like a rich. Man's version of patch song plays in the middle of fuel patch on really plays linebacker and cover safeties. And I think it's Abram Xavier mckinney the dolphins new like tight end stopper all right twenty seventh overall. Seattle seahawks are on the clock. I have the seahawks taking as Rick Cleveland as Cleveland You KNOW PLAYS OUT WEST. First of all And he's one of the best passed protecting linemen in the draft. A tackle or guard. And I mean for God's Sake Seattle. Can we try to improve this past protection once and for all? I really think that. Ezra Cleveland makes a Lotta Sense. Yeah his name. His name was Ezra Seattle. It would be it would be a lock that Art Scott. What do you have CRTV? Twenty seven? Yeah I think offense lawns definitely a place to go. I think this is maybe another range where you could start to see us either. Coming to play You know they've really struggled at the center position since they got rid of Max Longer. In putting together offense lineman their identities to to run a ball a lot as well. I think he's Takata. Come into play here. I can also see any of these taxes. That are kind of fringe late. First early. Second round tackles come into play here for Seattle so I can agree asa. Ezra CLEVELAND COULD BE PICKIER SEATTLE. Alright twenty eighth overall one of the most analytically minded teams in the NFL. The Baltimore Ravens are on the Clock Scott. The Ravens have have some some interior offensive line. Need but I think they need both a linebacker an edge defender so this is a place a talked about Zack bar on a little earlier. He kind of fits here. He's a little bit more of a situational pass rusher who plays also better off the ball. I think he's a player that they can move around a lot on your defense and go ahead and get a lot of uses out of him early on You know I think there's a lot of good things that come out on him out Wisconsin. He's a Guy. I think would sit in great here in Baltimore or Baltimore. Ravens one of the Favorites of fantasy twitter due to their strong decision making Evansville. You have the Ravens Stadium. Yeah along the same lines as Scott. I haven't taken your tour. Gross mattos out of Penn State. Big Time Athlete. Look at the Ravens. If they were amazing they know their defense. I think especially upfront. I think it needs to get stronger. They had maybe the best secondary in the league. Right there with New England this past season But I think that their front seven needs addressing whether be a guy like exact bon out of Wisconsin or gross matches out of state match. It on is their best. Astros Scher Right. Now and I think at best. He's a complimentary number two asks rusher. And he's on the franchise actually only have him under control. One there have been no indications that they want to lock him up long term so I think adding another edge pass rush threat geographic. Gross Matt does makes a lot of sense for them in your Gross Matt's as a guy who was pointing up on him. He's got a lot of growth potential at twenty nine overall. The one of the more surprising playoff runs that we saw last year. Maybe the most surprising playoff run Tennessee. Titans are on the clock. Evan has been some leaks in terms of Intel among the late twentieth among late twenties picks and early thirty pigs. I think the one that's GONNA stand out the most is The titans taking a Georgia offensive. Tackle Isaiah Wilson and it makes perfect sense because they just lost Jack. Conklin and Isaiah. Wilson is a similar type of player actually bigger than Jack Conklin just a massive massive individual almost six food aid three hundred forty three hundred fifty pounds. I think he was three sixty four at the combine. Just a freak of of a human being and fix their mentality and smashes in the Scott Twenty nine titans. Yeah actually a agreeing. I Have Isaiah Wilson here as well. I think he's A. He's the guy that has been strongly rumored to to go ahead and make the jump in you. Know he's just a mountain of guy there at right tackling if if the Tennessee titans when we continue the momentum that getting going into play also I think they need to go ahead and replace Jack Conklin so it makes perfect sense cool art thirtieth overall the back end of the first round here. Green Bay packers are on the clock. Scott I'm going to go ahead and take a swing with Denzel meme swire seaver Baylor They've been searching for a wide receiver to be comfortable with since they've lost Jordy Nelson raincoats. No longer there in slot in just everybody else's really struggle to you're really looking at Allen lazard the one who's kind of stuff that most so I think Denzel Milne skin can bring a lot skills that will take some of the pressure off a Davante Adams on opposite side. You know they. They love his hand fighting him his ability to go ahead and get off the line and as well as his locking capability so I think he's a little bit of a fringe early second late or from guy. I'm ahead in Green Bay taken here. Yeah that would be exciting. I actually think gala can play a little bit but he certainly better fit as a number three I think to slide in mims number two next to not have ARD as number three I think would be A big upgrade for the packers. Evan what do you think about packers at thirty overall? Better send some Aaron Rodgers some Denzel mems tape. 'cause you know. Aaron Rodgers if he doesn't like you as wide receiver. You're knocking the ball. You poor young receivers that he just turns through but I had them taken Kenneth Murray And now just a matter of Kenneth Murray falls to them. I think they need linebacker. Help for sure Even after signing on the dude from Cleveland who Kirksey just wasn't even good can stay healthy or the end of his Cleveland career. They're putting a lot of chips and his ask right now and I think that they If Patrick Lean Kenneth Murray goes here I think that they could say but it can also very much take a wide receiver. I know that that's what a lot of people that a. Lotta Packers Fan. Want them to do number thirty then zone. I think he's a baller like but it just seems like you know people inside. Nfl on his high. Oh yeah there were a lot of reports from local media in in basing their income out of free agency and the draft with at least one top flight tight end and wide receiver. They didn't come out of free agency with any of them so Yeah I think receivers definitely a possibility here at thirtieth overall thirty first overall Evans San Francisco. Forty niners your defending. Nfc champions are on the clock. I think the forty niners badly wanted strayed out of this pick. Scott mentioned earlier they might even want to trade out of both of their first round picks. And that's because they don't happen when vix after these for I too well. We're not projecting trades. I had them taken. Ross blacklock out of TCU defensive tackle Did Trade Away deforest Buckner Dana? Jeremiah has Ross blacklock as number nineteen overall player in the entire draft but This'll be a situation. Where the forty niners you know? They have a really strong roster and they strengthen a strength even after the forest buckner trade or something that offensive line is very much strength and they can strengthen strength by adding Ross blacklock. Who's the dude that from the Interior? Get up the field and and become a big time pass rusher from the interior. Yeah that would certainly be strengthening strength. Their Scott where you have the forty niners thirty one. Yeah actually agree with Ross blacklock I think when you start looking at the mock drafts and some of the stuff that men have do you start trying to get towards this late in in around two to actually hit. You're not necessarily trying to match the player with the team. Exactly as much as you're just trying to figure out who top thirty two guys or to get into your mock draft and I think Evan hit on it perfectly supposedly danger measuring blackhawks guide. It's that set to go. In first round. He makes sense here to go ahead and replace the forest buckner. He would also maybe make sense with the next week to to Kansas City since they have Jones said dealing with contract issues as well so I definitely like blacklock is getting in inside and right here in the third one making his way into for all right last pick. It's been a pleasure going through this first round with boys. Last pink of the first round goes to the Kansas City chiefs defending super bowl champion. Scott what he got. Look there's not a lot of things that they need but if we start looking at positions and you know they they lost you know some cornerbacks there that they actually went ahead and and resigned one of their cornerbacks in Persad ruin. You know they. They lost fuller to to the redskins. I think slot corners position that would make sense and I'm GonNa go with Glatt any cornerback at TCU. Yeah he's a little bit on the smaller side but the discussing the love the way he fights and I think he's ranked we talked about the consensus rankings. He's all over the place but I think some scouts actually have him ranked highest third aboard amongst cornerbacks. Who'S GOING TO BE? The third cornerbacks is going to be a question. But I think he's a guy that could go ahead and slide in here has lasted for Evan. Last the first round candidate chiefs. Yeah I think it's it's a tough one I have that bond went earlier And I think that Patrick Queen from Lsu. I don't think we had a team say Kim. Did he could be in play. I also think that blacklock if he makes it asa forty nine ers could very much play of Kenneth Murray or some reason made it here he could be in play. Jeff Glad Ni Christian Fulton if he makes it. Pass the Vikings where we mocked him before. I think that linebacker cornerback is on both the likeliest to positions that chiefs address a disposition. I we'RE GONNA make it out of this draft without running back in the first round. I know that that's GonNa make you happy and chiefs. I guess would be one of the teams to take running back but I am just not buying that. They that they would do that. I think they've only got what five or six fix And they're fine running back Damien Williams deandra Washington centric are really underrated duo relative to scheme that Iran that they run and just the way that they play. Yeah I don't think Andy Reid I think Andy. Reid understands what he hasn't Damian Williams and Denzel Washington and the relative value running back so I'm not too worried about that. She's taking running back but hopefully we're right there okay. This is awesome learned a ton. Scott thanks so much for doing this man. Tell the people where they can find G. rating and finding on social where they can find your work etc etc. You didn't. You can find the on social media on twitter at Scott Smith F F. I'll be dropping my final mock over at d'action at work on Wednesday night late sometime in I think evident I actually maybe discussing doing another draft up show late Wednesday night and the goat man. I'm just interested in Guinness Draught Cova nineteen in crazy to stress can be different than anything we've ever seen. And you know we get a lot of these mock draft grated and both evidence. I've done pretty well but I I am very scared about accuracy saying this year with Just the no. Non affirmation racing assistant going on. Yeah I find the whole. Mock draft industry absolutely fascinating. It's amazing that you guys are able to consistently be at the top Evan. I don't know if we're GONNA do any more shows before the draft suddenly be back right after the draft talk about some fantasy impact and stuff like that but enjoy the draft. If I don't talk to you sounds great are for Scott. Four at four percents Luke. I'm out of good luck everybody.

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The Chris and Joe Show: Projecting the Giants Second Round Pick

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The Chris and Joe Show: Projecting the Giants Second Round Pick

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go. Mets Womack to the Kristen. Joe Show presentative. Isp nation and big move you. I'm Jodie Leone joined by Chris bomb and we are giving you more. Nfl draft content as we're getting very very close to the very first pick of the twenty twenty NFL draft. We'll get to see commissioner goodell in his home in his basement announcing the picks the very odd setting. But it's not gonNA change the excitement that we will be getting from what happens during the NFL draft. Today's episode. We're GONNA be talking about guys that could slide into the early second round range where the giants will be picking with their second round pick as well as various scenarios for the giants depending on who they take with the fourth overall pick. How Things Affect Them. They take certain guys. What does that mean that they'll be looking at early on in the second and how things can really shape out so Chris. In terms of guys that can slide into this early second round. There's a ton of really talented first-round graded players that could slip a little bit. Because there's these late risers that are shooting up draft boards. That might not really have that first round town or first round grade but because of necessity or just even the slightest thing of of good interviews. Those guys can surpass others and very good players can be found at this point in time so Chris I think that one of the bigger groups that seems might be sliding is the is the linebacker group. Now probably won't be that many of them but someone like Patrick Queen or Kenneth. Murray could still be on the board very early. Yeah it seems like with Queen. Marie also throws back on into the mix there. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them. Come off the board starting. I don't know maybe somewhere round twentieth overall but I also wouldn't be surprised to see them sitting there for the giants at thirty sixth overall. It kind of seems it works out every year that we have out about fifteen really solid first round grades on players and then there's probably a group of about forty players every year. It happens that basically. I DASH second round grades. Just guys where it really depends on. What team is picking Weyer? They're all kind of lumped together and they could be first. Rounders could be early. Second Rounders and there isn't a whole lot of difference between the value in those places and that I think is where you start to see. Guys had their their draft stock. Be really fluid. Where you're all of a sudden have got. You never expected to be there at the top of the second round or you have a guy you just. We're not expecting get drafted at the bottom of the first round. And I think that can be a spot to get really good value where you could get a Patrick Queen or a Kenneth Murray who could be your who could be your starting inside linebacker for ten years. You could get Zack Blonde. Who could be just a great Swiss army knife for your defense or maybe even Jerry Chin who could be a a poor man's version of Isaiah Simmons or grant delpit who if you're getting the twenty eighteen version of delpit. You might be getting a top five caliber player back at thirty sixth the other thing that makes the early part of the second round really interesting and also advantageous for the giants for having a high pick is. We've seen in the past teams. That are really desperate to fill a need that once. They're guy that they want to get taken. They will straight reach for a player. We saw that happen with the Houston Texans when they took Titus Howard. He had a pretty decent season but still went a lot higher than most people expected. You pointed out Jeremy Chin who has been a bit more talked about lately as a late first round prospect. He could still be available early on in the second he could be available the whole second round making him in play for that giants pick but the other thing that. I just kind of thought of here is that there's a possibility someone like grant delpit. Who is extremely talented? Who did not get to fully benefit from having a pro day getting to meet with general managers and coaches and Scouts in person and having those in person visits that something like that is just enough to to slowly slide down draft boards just a little bit to the point where he could be available early on in the second round. It's Kinda like with not for the same reasons but it's Kinda like with what happened with Landon Collins. A few years ago that he seemed like he was gonNA be a late first. First Round prospect even a mid first round prospect ends up going with the first pick in the second round is the giants traded up to make a move and go grab him so it seems like delpit it probably not a ton of likelihood of it happening but it seems like it could find his way sliding just a hair enough to put him in the early second round opportunity. Yeah that's kind of what we're seeing happening on the Big Blue View Community. Mock draft is time and again. I keep suggesting Danielle we. We really should have dealt in in our top five players available and time and again the votes just keep going elsewhere so something like that. Where teams look like. Oh that's a good player but we need a player at position x what we need linemen. We need an edge player. We need a a receiver and you know he just keeps being the bridesmaid and keeps Slo- slowly falling back pick by pick. That's something you could really see happening. Especially as the value of safeties seems to be very fluid in recent years. At sometimes you see teams almost Value them at all but then there are other years you see teams really show a lot of interest in adding safety so delpit and Chin with his versatility and coming from a small school. Those guys that are going to be very interesting to watch and honestly I'll be. I'll be rooting for a slide from delicate. Because if he's on the board at that first pick in the second round I would be completely content with a trade up like they did a few years ago to get Landon Collins in getting an extremely talented guy like grant. Del Pit another player. That seems like there's a slight chance he could also slide if not a greater chance in some of these other players that we mentioned. Is you turn gross mottos edge rusher from PENN STATE? It just seems like with the way things are shaping out with other position groups that gross mottos could have enough of a slide out of that first round being in early second round prospect now. He's he's talented enough to go in the first round but with like I said various other position groups being of need and being pushed up to the priority in the first round he seems like a guy because of his position and also where he's at he could he could slide his way out. And maybe another edge rusher slash defensive lineman that falls into this possible. Signing situation is also a they play positions that generally have a high value for teams yet. You see it in the contracts handed out of free agency. Guys who can rush the specifically off of the edge are valuable always have been pretty much always will be and particularly gross maddow's. He has really rare measurable. He is pretty much the archetype for a especially four three edge player Esa He doesn't have the athleticism. We thought he did but for three four team. He is going to carry a lot of value. But you also see those guys kind of slowly sliding back now. I don't know if that is because of you. Know just the perception of them kind of around the draft media at large or if it's just the depth of the offensive tackle and wide receiver classes where there are just so many good players that you kind of can't justify putting them behind guys like EPA Essen Gross Mattos. They might slide through no fault of their own just that there are a lot of good players at other physicians. Speaking of other good players at other positions. How ABOUT POSITION GROUP? That has a lot of good players at it specifically that being the Receiver Group. It seems like there's GonNa be some really talented dudes that are first round prospects that going to end up going in the second the third the fourth round like we've talked about numerous times and I think that what's going to end up happening towards the second. Half of the first round is that teams that are in play for a receiver. Might say themselves well. Why don't we go get somebody out another position? That's not going to be available later because. Hey maybe we can't get a guy. Like low viscous Chenault or brandon. Yuck later on in the second round we can still get a really talented guy. So teams are going to be banking on that depth to help them out leading to a pretty mind boggling slide for some talented dudes in in the guys that we were kind of thinking of here is the viscous Chenault Braniac Jalen Raider and Denzel mims. All those guys have talent. Some teams might even value all of them as first round receivers but because of how things are really shaped out with this this extremely deep receiver class. It's GonNa. It could hurt some of them. Yeah you just take those four players and add either Jerry Judy CD lamb or henry rugs just any one of those three and you have. What would be good top five pretty much any other year and this is kind of the bottom part of the top ten we keep saying it. We say it almost every show. The depth of of the talent in this receiver. Class is just ridiculous. I'm almost afraid to bring the position up because I know we could go on for a half hour about them but suffice to say there will be very good receivers available when the giants draft in at the top of the second thing. I think that makes it a little bit interesting is we can't say whether or not there will be these receivers there at the bottom of the third when they come back around again or say when the giants pit comes back around again. I think we do have to keep an eye on the possibility that there are twenty receivers taken in the first fifty or sixty picks or maybe even twenty taken in the first seventy picks there. Are that many good receivers where there is a very good chance that whenever team picks a receiver will be the best player on their board. The final group of guys that we considered here was offensive tackles and offensive linemen in. It's not so much that they're gonNA slide but it's some guys might leap leapfrog into the first round leaving the other players in this group available early on in the second and this second tier of offense of line prospects is not really up to that first round grade. Maybe not all of them. But there's there's potential for them like I said for them to go in the first round and others still be available on the board. The ones we kinda talked about Josh Jones could slide his way out a little bit. Lucas neon could also find himself early on in the Second Austin Jackson from USC. And then the one that we were talking about before. The show is Isaiah Wilson. It seems like there is a ton of steam for Isaiah Wilson to continue to move up. And maybe he doesn't move up into the first round like some people are projecting. He could go very very early on in the second round despite him not really having that much support early on and I'm specifically referencing Isaiah Wilson's draft stock to what I heard Daniel Jeremiah. Talk about during move the sticks and and on his podcast saying that. There's a lot of people that think. That Isaiah Wilson could be a late first round prospect An even a very off chance that maybe he goes before. Andrew Thomas but that's very very small but still besides the point. Wilson could be one of the biggest risers we see in this year's draft. Yeah I would say Wilson based on what is on tape seeing him rise. That much would surprise to me especially to see him. Go above Andrew Thomas. I think there is a good chance of having a player who has starting ability at offensive. Tackle there for the giants at thirty six. Whether it's Josh Jones. Lucas Neang Austin Jackson. Personally I like as Cleveland. He needs more play strength. He needs to spend some time in the weight room but just athletically. He is a lot like Lane Johnson end. That's kind of athletic profile. You're you feel comfortable. Betting on there will well. I don't I shouldn't say there will be guys there because if you think back to the twenty thirteen draft the Dallas cowboys traded back to thirty. I believe targeting Justin pugh yet because they were sure he was going to be there. Well that didn't exactly happen in. We saw a huge run on offensive lineman. So you can't say that they're absolutely will be guys there. But it's likely that one of these guys Jones Neang Jackson Wilson Cleveland. One of them will likely be there and maybe even several of them will likely be there for the giants at the top of the second if they still need to draft offensive lineman next. We're going to discuss possible scenarios for the giants early on in the second round. Once they're pick comes around based on what they do in the first round what could be their counter. We're GONNA talk about that next but before we get to it. We're going to take a short commercial break. It seems like right now. There's a couple major scenarios that could happen for the giants with their fourth overall. Pick well if they do go through. Where does that leave them with the second round? What are they going to be doing as their next move in bringing in players to the New York giants? Well the first and obvious scenario that we've pitched multiple times in that we keep seeing and mock drafts from experts all over the place from big sources saying the Isaiah Simmons pick up fourth overall. Well if this happens whereas it leaves the giants early on the second round and we talked about the fact that it seems like the best possible move for them is that if they go. Isaiah Simmons that means they're banking on in hoping that there's going to be offensive line options available right at that spot at thirty six so that would be one of these tackles. We talked about Isaiah Wilson. Josh owns Lucas. Neang Austin Jackson or does this put them in the spot where they should take a player like Cezar we's if he doesn't get drafted very late in the first round it seems like offensive line makes the most sense if they take simmons it really does because unless the giants feel a lot more strongly about Cameron Fleming than we do. They don't have a starting right tackle and they even if they do think that Fleming can be a patch on the position. Kind of like Mike remers was last year. They don't really have a right tackle for the future. They also has some serious questions. I think at center. Obviously we're pulling John Alipio to get healthy and be able to compete at training camp. Because he does have ruptured Achilles. And that's not. That's not a small injury but even if a labile is healthy the the giants need an upgrade their they need a natural starting center so. I don't think they could go wrong between getting a right tackle for the future or getting a starting center personally. Just based on how. We have our position grouping kind of played out. I would look to the right tackle with either Lucas. Neang as Wilson Prints Taken Ohio. One of those guys who can step in and hopefully locked down the right side if not right away then definitely starting in year two but if they happen to come away with Ruis. I don't think we can really complain about that. Although potentially getting that right tackle in them may be having a guy like tyler abiotic or Loyd cushenberry be there at ninety nine overall that could be extra ideal the other scenario that were really starting to see too is taking an offensive tackle over. Isaiah Simmons taking someone like Tristan. Worth's G DRIK wills maybe even MCI Becton with that fourth overall pick. Well if you're taking tackle. Where does that leave the giants with the counter? Measure for them. There is that they'd be banking on good defensive talent being available someone like grant. Del Pit like we talked about. Maybe he slides into position for the giants. Take him maybe one of the linebackers. We talked about Patrick. Queen Kenneth Murray Zach Bond. One of those guys could very well be on the board in even edge prospects like deter gross mottos. I it seems like there's a lot more chances. One of these defensive playmakers falls than offensive linemen though that does kind of seem to be the the two options for the giants if they go defense with their first pick likely Isaiah Simmons but who knows a coup or young might fall probably not but they might then they go off line in the second if the giants go offensive line in the first than they almost have to address the defense with their second pick and yet just based on looking at draft boards of trying to get redone guys draft stock. It does seem like they'll have either linebackers or that heavy second third tier of edge rushers to choose from you know. Maybe you're gross maddow's maybe Julian Okwara or maybe linebacker. Like Kenneth Murray Patrick Queen. I think maybe their best hope will be Zach born but I would kind of be surprised particularly surprised if he happens to fall just because of Hell Versatile. He is how good he is. How many rolls? He can fill. There is probably the outside chance that they could get Jeremy Chen or grant delpit because the giants do have that whole free safety end Chin can serve a lot of the same roles that Wilson Not Isaiah Wilson. That is as Simmons too. Many Isaiah's that Isaiah Simmons could if they had picked him in the first round the final scenario that is an option but not as likely just because of the difficulties. The T. A. Teams will be dealing with having a virtual draft setting is the giants trading back. And we we've all rooted for it. We've all talked about it and saying that the giants should orchestrate some type of a trade back and how far and it's really too difficult to speculate where those were those trade back scenarios could lie and in how far back the giants could move if they only move back pick. Well then Isaiah Simmons. Any of those guys are still but if they move somewhere towards the middle of the first round will that opens up the door for taking a receiver but ultimately what it would give them is multiple second round picks most likely it would give them an additional second round. Pick additional draft capital. Maybe even in the first-round those types of things will then. Where would that really impact the giants and where would that open the door for for various other position groups to work their way in yet? If the giants have trade back I imagine one of their picks almost has to be a wide receiver. Just because as we said in the first half pretty much whenever a team picks after the first few picks a wide receiver is going to be the best player on their board. And as much as we've talked about the giants needs on offensive line and their needs on defense. Wide Receiver is a need to. They need depth that position but they also need a starter. They need a true number one guy. They have sterling shepard who is creating separation but he's a slot guy and not to diminish that slot guys can have a tremendous impact. Just look at Victor Cruz. A couple years back in two thousand eleven or sterling shepherd his rookie year. They need a guy opposite area. Slate in a guy who can command double teams who can tilt the field who can force a defense to declares intentions and really help the offense. Create that room underneath four. Evan Ingram Floor Sterling Shepherd and four saquon. Barkley to work. Yup I think one of the big problems with the giants defense but the giants offense over the last couple of years has been. They haven't really created room for themselves. It's been too easy for defenses to play downhill and just crowd the line of scrimmage which was where pretty much all of their place. We're going anyway. So I think just given their need and the depth at the position wide receiver becomes a possibility giants trade back and then also we have both of the other positions. We mentioned oftens of line and some position on the defense especially if the giants get two second-round picks are. I will that is going to be at for our speculation in predictions for various scenarios in the second round for the New York. Giants were pretty much a week away here for the NFL draft. And we're getting very very close so now's your last chance to get in your NFL draft questions. Send them to us on twitter at Joe. Deleo or at Raptor M. K. Is You can also send them into our facebook page. You can directly on her instagram page at big underscore blu underscore view any other. Last questions you have send them on into us in. We have one more mailbag show before the draft. So don't expect us to answer any more questions after that. Make sure you get them in now. 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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio) Reshad Jones deserves a hero's send off

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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio) Reshad Jones deserves a hero's send off

"Every Wednesday on fish drive, join me Eric, Oseberg, full report on the Miami Marlins singly affiliate. The Clinton Lumber Kings on eight ball with Eric owes. We sit down each week. With the different prospect, that is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players, trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate. LISTEN TO ABE law with Eric goes every Wednesday on fish rights. What's up? What's up at run? Welcome in to another edition of the. Radio, and this is the one and only Jacob Josh show. My name is Jake I'm joined by Josh before we get Josh Rolling and rocket in here, be sure to hit that. Subscribe Button wherever you listen to this podcast whether it's I tuned by their it spotify. Please please please help with so much. When you subscribe. Give us that review. Hopefully it's five stars and get involved. Engage with us. We love to chat with everyone. Everyone and that's kind of what makes football what it is. It's the community that goes with. It should follow me on twitter I'm Jay Mendel Ninety four? How'd Simple H. O. U. T. Z. and if you're already not following him I, you miss announced. Great Dolphins content so Josh I'm going to start out with this one right here. Real quick happy birthday happens. Have you birth Spiegel. Doing. I'm doing good man I I guess I didn't realize it was been spills birthday, but I mean he is one of those. UH, under the radar players at really isn't talked about a lot and. The Guy Is A. He's a weapon on defense. Some excited to see what he can do this year, but I'm go man. How're you doing? I'm good. I'm good you. I'm going to cover a baseball game later. You know the the masks have really been working up here in Massachusetts. Where into what we're calling phase three of our reopening plan while all sports can't be played they are allowing the Red Sox to play at Fenway Park. You know they're you know having baseball? You can go work out at the park. Things like that, so it's an exciting time. It's finally to see some things you know kind of starting to feel normal. Yet I know we're GonNa talk about that tomorrow or I. Guess I guess this podcast will probably drop Thursday, morning of rookies will be set to reports a Davey. Dolphin rookies a report, and so it's exciting times I. Don't know how things are gonNA. You know ultimately unfold, but. It appears things are moving along, and if people continue to do the social distancing in the wearing the mask I think I think good things will come into this. Yeah, I, think, you know. What we're kind of jumping or order here, but but let's chat about this for a minute. Because it kind of seems that way in the sense of things are headed in the right direction, you know. Where are rookies reporting? And it was a little concerning at first where you know. There was nothing coming out. We saw the HASHTAG. We want to play where all the players are like. Hey, like you know we're. We're ready to play ready to go. We just haven't. been given any guidelines, and it seems like the NFL's willing to do whatever the NFL. PA! The players association is open to doing you know I. It was two preseason Games, and then before we knew it was one and none and you know the NFL. It seems like they're saying okay. Whatever will do whatever you need their the the testing? It seems like they'll be doing it. It, every day for a while until you know the numbers kind of Plateau little bit that I might go to every other day or something like that I know. There were some concerns about getting the testing, but with the you know the multibillion dollar company that NFL is, I don't see that really being a problem and I. Think the big thing here is you know. Some people. Kind of side with owners in some scenarios, whether it's you know a player trying to get all the money they can, before they leave the NFL or just different rules, and this kind of highlights that you know that the players actually have a lot more power that then we like to admit, and this is Kinda. Why should root for the players because you know you? You kinda see them. You know saying these these different things you know in order to make it safe working conditions and Yada Yada and the NFL just Kinda back off, and basically it seems like doing whatever they say, which is kind of crazy, but they just kind of tells you how much money they're willing to lose, and they're not even trying to play hardball. It's just crazy and it's going to be one of the craziest things I mean with all sports. It's going to be interesting to the way these things play out. Because you know it's a crazy situation. We're in You can't even fathom how you know. Everybody's dealing with what's going on in the world, and now you know they're going out there. We don't even understand how this is going to implicate you know next year salary cap so for them to go out there and to agree to terms. There's going to be zero preseason Games I. I mean I'm a little worried to see how these rosters unfold, I mean. Some of these players aren't going to have an opportunity to showcase what they can do to stick around I. Mean When you look at the dolphins roster I mean they've seen Preston Williams. You know in a in twenty twenty. If things were the way, they are probably not. You know they might never have seen what he could do. They might not make the roster. Who knows what player could end up on the dolphins practice squad, or you know another team so? It's a crazy world that we're living in and to see the way. The NFL's adapting it'll be interesting, but you know as as this is going to affect the raw sorts, also in effect, those players that are going through each and every day because I mean without preseason. They're not getting. Those reps in injuries are going to happen, and it's GonNa. Be Crazy to wash the way this season of volts, and and that goes for all the sports, but it looks like baby steps. You know we're getting through there and rookie report tomorrow in. You know they're all under contract. Now in I know we're going to get into that, so won't we talk about that next I? Actually kind of you think that someone like oppressed Williams. One of been you know seen without those preseason games because you know I kind of feel him and even Sama Bob and I felt the same way where where it was kind of set it encamped. We expect this guy to be a player. Even you know press. The Williams might not even be the best guy for. For us to kind of have this conversation when you think about, there's only gonna be eighty players and camp, and there's no preseason games because I think Preston Williams know. It wasn't ever his talent why he went undrafted. I think the dolphins who right away this as a player we want to bring in. We WanNa see what he can do, but you know it's kind of an interesting point because I'm not necessarily sure I agree with you. In the sense of the preseason, Games are making breaks these players. Players I, think we kind of miss out on a lot by not being you know at the practices are getting updates from coaches every day. You know I'd love to hear what coaches think about. You know players throughout camp but obviously that's that's only for the flies on the wall, but it just kind of seems like the main thing that's missing because the preseason games, these players, who who might not you know, make it to the practice squad or the you know the fifty three man roster whatever? Whatever it may be They just wanted that tape that they can bring to the CFL or wherever it may be dropped for another team next borough. Something like that. That kind of seems like to me. At least I could be wrong. That seems like the big concern, not necessarily I think the dolphins I think the most teams are kind of kind of do a good job of of really still kind of getting a feel of what guys belong in the NFL. What guys don't and things like that? and. I think Press Williams was definitely the extreme with that I mean. I was just kind of making that. Point that you know. There's an undrafted free agent here. All those guys dolphins went after after things were all said and done i. mean some of those guys aren't GonNa make the cut and it's going to be interesting. Interesting to see the way things adapt because you know the practice squads have a few more spots and some of these guys you know to fold them. They might normally be cut, and now they might get stuck on the practice, squad or shirt with an opportunity to make something out of the most of it when you know things I mean some of these guys go down with injuries or other things so opportunities gonNA come in next man up. It's always been that mentality and NFL. Yeah and you know you mentioned it. as of today, which is Wednesday you mentioned. The show is probably drop on Thursday. A big Bob Hunt to signed our first of two second round picks, and that means the dolphins have officially signed every single one of their rookies, and you know I have the list here starting at two going all the way down to Malcolm Perry, I'd love to hear from you. because like it's great to see you know. Know I'd love to sit here and say Brandon. Jones seven pick overall from Texas you kind of want those you picks inside the top seventy. That's kind of the the cream of the crop. If you will I, love to your take of one guy who using my exceed expectations and one guy that might dip below the season because as much as I'd love to say that you know. Ray Kwan Davis is GONNA. Come in and be a stud and. And Jason Strawbridge and Curtis. We've combined for eight sacks rookies. I'd love to sell stuff, but that's just not how it works. You know some players. Just it just doesn't work out for him, so I I'd love to get a dollar or two from because there are going to be surprises there. Are you know every single year? In terms of rookies impress on draft. The guys that impressed we hear a lot of and they stick around and also guys you know. Know, it just doesn't always work out. There's the long string of first and second round picks for the Miami Dolphins where there was struggled upon struggles whether it's Jonathan Martin Dion Jordan Jomar Taylor Will Davis third, and all these different guys that we really thought would help revamp a defense revamped the team in general, really didn't work out despite being hi. Guys despite being guys that you know everybody Kinda love being drafted. This is a group that everyone is kind of. I don't WanNA complaining, but a little whiny seems like you know you know. They kind of made too many reaches instead of safe picks, and I think it's important to say that that there are no safe picks in the NFL draft. There is no such thing so that the dolphins kind of reached for guys that might have gone a little later knowing a stable. Player. Who's going to be on the team for free four years? That is a great thing to see so again, I ask. The two times asserted romantic, but I'm sorry Josh. So let me here. Let me here a couple of guys. You know maybe a one one good one bad. You might see from the dolphins a season. Okay, and for me, it all comes back to just trust and Chris Graham Brian floors out there make the right decisions I mean the guy is a ton of low, so you go down the list of draft picks I mean. Some of them weren't guys that maybe we liked but I'm going to defer to those guys in charge, because says after one year I mean I. Feel Pretty Damn good about what they're doing I. Guess for me the one that I'm conduct I think will. Dip Below expectations might be Austin Jackson I mean. This is a guy who believes going to be a starter in the NFL, but I think you know everybody talks about Ralph potential and how he has to get you know. Build into that frame, no become more of an NFL type offense of tackle, so we'll see how it transitions, but for me I. Don't think he's going to be quite. You know what he alternately will become this year and I think he's what twenty twenty one so I mean. The Sky's limit for this guy goes with all these draft picks. You know they're. They're these guys that they brought in who the floor! It might be a little bit riskier, but that ceiling is all that much sweeter so for me. Me I think Austin Jackson will be the guy that you know dips below my expectations and I'm GonNa go with Curtis Weavers Guy that exceeds expectations I mean. He was a guy that pro football focus. However you feel about them, I think they had him. As a top thirty prospects overall, and he fell to the fifth round I mean this is a guy that I could play inside. He can play outside. You can drop in coverage and do a little bit of everything and he kind of goes out there. There and he has his grit to him and I'm excited signed his contract. Orange Stone Cold Steve Austin shirt. So I. Mean That's the guy that I would bet money on. It's going to go out there and exceed expectations, and you know. Get some of those sacks, because like we mentioned podcasts after podcast with that revamp secondary. Some of these guys, Curtis. We ever strove bridge. Some of these require Davis. Some of these guys might make plays that you know otherwise won't be there because they're gonNA. Shut down the. The, the wide receivers in those guys up front are GonNa fee so I'm GonNa go with Curtis Weaver to exceed expectations. I think you know Austin Jackson. He's going to be the guy kind of just below. What about really I really liked that curtis weaver picked because whether you look at the statistics, the tape, whatever it may be pro football focus. There's a lot to like about him. and You wonder why. He dipped to the fifth round, and I think that's a great pick and when you kind of. Looking at two guys for going blocks dictation I think Jackson I. I would have gone with them as well. However I'm not expecting too much. For the exact reasons you said He's raw. He's GonNa need a little bit of time. You're stepping into being a left tackle. There's a lot of young guys on this offensive wide who are going to need to learn how to not only play by play together and I think that's GonNa be important. That's why I kind of want to between some and Kinley and Robert Hall I think one of those guys whoever is going to be. Be The starter I think might be a little disappointing at. I mean you see two big guys who you know? We really can hope come in and really solidify the offensive line. I just I'M GONNA. Go with kind of the same reasoning. You have in terms of Austin, Jackson, where it's GonNa, take a little while for these guys to come, and we're going to see rand fitzpatrick running around in the backfield. I guess hair's on fire yet again this year, but you know the hope is for the development, and you know with a guard I kind of want that developed I you know. I mean let me chop that because I think we all want to come in and play well, but you know guards. One of those positions you kind of want to come in and just. Play clean you know the the no false starts. No holding and I'm a little bit concerned. We might see some of that. especially with the preseason games really get that timing. Don yesterday you know. There's still going be out there. Taking saps. They I think most teams even in training camp have Whether it's college wrestlers high school rest just being there just to you know. Hey, you're holding on this play. There's a false start here. And I just wonder what without the live action, just getting into that little bit of rhythm. How much that's going to really impact them. Another guy who I'm a little bit more excited for is Safety Brennan Jones, and I think there was something that came up yesterday about Bobby McCain. You know he's lifting more. He's putting out a little bit more weight. And you know I'm always a little concerned. Because I forgot who it was, but there was a running back. Who just came out I? Think it was Jones who came out and said you know he put on weight. He's ready for a bigger work. Load Yada Yada Yada at a lot of people kind of that with. You really. Don't see a lot of good things. When people start to put on their way in put on way that muscle isn't what got them to where they are. They're trying to do things a little different so I think Brennan. Jones is to have an opportunity to come in, and really just have an impact early on just kind of like mentioned a few podcasts ago with. Noah agony where he's going to have the opportunities with that secondary, being as good as it possibly can to make some plays where you know. Maybe they get quote unquote picked on, but hopefully the talent the skill is there with those top seventy picks where they can take advantage of being. You know picked on quote for being a rookie and really play above their level. The chances are going to be there for both of them, but I'm really excited to see what Brandon Jones can do. He's GonNa. Have to beat up Bobby McCain hell he might. Might even have to be air row for snaps, but but this is a guy. I think who can really really has opportunity especially in stopping the run, the dolphins have very much struggled in stopping the run lately, and this is a guy who I think can come in and be like a guy I wanna talk about in just a minute, and that's Jones. I think the sky could be some sort of a rigid shot Jones Stupa notice with that physical play style that hard hitting mentality that we've loved over for Jones for the last ten years. Bruce with you and I'm GonNa Touch on something at Matthew cannot have up and I know we weren't even. Expecting to talk about this, but he said channing crowder earlier today said that he thinks the dolphins should keep on the bench for the entire season so. We weren't gonNA talk about two of talking about rookies and I just couldn't help myself. So, what are your thoughts about that? Do you think they would be in their best interest to you know? Sit to the entire year. You know I I in my own little soapbox. Go on them. But how do you feel about that? Absolutely not I don't think I I feel like. We're just trying to over complicate. Things I think no matter what if it's Patrick struggle and come week five whether it's the national media whether it's the fans whether it's your next door neighbor, they're going to be wanting to come out and play, and there's no reason he shouldn't. You kind of saw what happened in Denver, withdrew last year he played six games by the, but that Kinda gave not only the fan base hope, but but the front office and idea of what they had in him, and they really loaded up on weapons for them. The season in in the draft. Excuse me so I think. We really can't go season without watching to play. He's got to get the staff's. He's got play. You don't draft someone in the first pick overall to not play football, right? I think we're starting to overthink it a little bit whether that's just because. We haven't had sports to talk about, or we're trying to talk too much about these sports I don't think you can sit to whole season i. just don't think that's the right idea. Obviously you look Patrick Mahomes. As a you know the they used our entire His entire rookie season and that's great and it can work, and you can have great. examples on both sides by I. Don't see a world where you know if had patrick struggles a little bit, too was not the guy to come in and show what he can do. And I, think we're at the stage where we realize now that you know this is just a different season twenty twenty and it's going to be that way, so rookies aren't going to come in and make that type of impact, but I mean. How much room are the dolphins going to have and allow the offensive line to grow and some of these players to to come in and make an impact? Because as we saw you know, there were musical chairs on the offensive line until there was a little bit of stability towards the end of the season and you know it wasn't great. So how much time is it? GonNa take for that offensive line to Mesh together in the live game action. Action and how long is it going to be for Fitzpatrick? Destroy Behind before they do hand the keys over to. Because as you mentioned another podcast once you turn once you hand to attack all of those keys you know this is his. It's his palace. His Kingdom and he's the guy here for what we hope is many years, so I don't think there's any way in hell to atone below does not play a game this year. Unless you know for some reason, knock on wood. The season's canceled or for whatever reason but I think he's going to get out there and ski sooner than we expect and I think he's going to go out there and he's going to have success in. The world is GONNA sit back. Relax enjoy because it's GONNA be a sight to see. And, you know I don't want I. Don't want this to kind of come up with the wrong way, but like in the sense of we want to wait to play them. Until the offensive line is figured out in the grand scheme of things that'd be fantastic. The dolphins could come out and play clean football. You know allowing minimal sacks Yada Yada Yada. Not How the NFL works as mile is often work, either. You know it's been ten years since we've had a suitable. So we'll, we'll be waiting forever exactly and so to use that as an excuse to not play to a is kind of lame in the sense of once you start playing to a he becomes the guy and all of a sudden the clocks taking on their rookie contract right? You have to wonder if this is the guy we can invest in long term and you know. Let's just say for instance five six years down the road. The dolphins give. You know the mega contract whatever it may be and all of a sudden. You can't afford to keep the offensive line top tier you know with all these first and second round draft picks being there. You can't pay the have the top tier, tight ends and wide receivers and running backs all of a sudden. You need to put more weight on his shoulders, and yes, it's one thing to throw them into the fire as a rookie, but we need to see what he can do. with everything around, and we wanna see this ability. He has, and he had in college to make a chicken. You know the word in two chicken salad, so we. We really need to see what's going to happen. He's not always going to have a perfect offensive line. Injuries are GonNa Happen. He's not always going to be in the perfect scenario, and that's the point of having a franchise. quarterback is that they can deal in any sort of scenario because that's what we dealt with Ryan Tannehill for eight years, we dealt with if he has this if he has that, and if we could rewrite history and give them offense, we might of seen him do. Do what he did with the titans last year, but that's not the argument we can have anymore. Ten Hill is an you know a guy who's going to carry football team. We saw you know. He knew the offensive line. He needed Derrick Henry. So we need to see that to was the guy that we're not just messed around with that. He can legitimately be the quarterback and I think that starts in his rookie season whether it's two games played whether it's five whether it's a I think we're going to see him on the field. Consent better myself perfect transition. And with that, too, I do WANNA. Talk about a I mentioned. Brandon Jones I want you know. Transition switch lanes here to Rashaad Jones. WHO JOE SHAD! Follow him in, the Palm Beach Post, you're you're doing an injustice yourself our shot Jones spoke with him and and basically long story short I. Think he's playing football this year and he's not entirely sure he's GonNa play football ever again. He needs a next surgery that's been held off because of the pandemic shad called them instinctive, aggressive, emotional, and a playmaker Travis Wingfield of the by dolphins added simply he's a missile, and this is something I think we've talked about. If it was on this podcast, it was on in the hunt back in the day I think Reshad Jones is someone. That less than last year with Adam Gates I mean the amount of disrespect. This man and God was completely uncalled for, and you can maybe say that it tarnishes dolphins legacy, even though I will be the last one to say that because I'll agree, he was right the whole time so I'm just GonNa. Go through some things here from the story I think I had amazing run Jones, said when talking with Chad Ida, great career, really I think I had hall of fame numbers. You Go, look at me. PA Malu Dawkins. He played sixteen years I really had hall of fame. Numbers just was on a hall of fame team. We couldn't put the Games together, but I had an amazing career. He's like the thing is too. I think some people are going to read that and say you know he's. He's cocky or as an ego he should. This is one of the best players in Miami Dolphins History I compared cam wake and were shot. Jones to the you know ten years twenty years ago. It was that generations Zach Thomas Jason Taylor I mean this. These teams were bad bad bad bad over the last ten fifteen twenty years and Reshad. Jones Cameron. Wake. These are the guys who gave us something to talk about. He was so excited to watch. Some statistics here only Zach Thomas had more solo tackles for the dolphins since the stat was recorded in nineteen, ninety-four, only Jason Taylor has scored more defensive touch Miami. History and much like Zach Thomas Jason. Taylor or Jones me logged to do that. Front flip that flip into the end zone on a pick six I. here's a Pro Bowl in twenty, fifty, two thousand seventeen crew, one of the best players in Miami Dolphins history. I. Don't get how we didn't side with him. During all that Java, I, don't kids. Josh Let's talk about it. Yeah. I really don't know why. We didn't side with him and I. Think I agree with you and a lot of these younger fans, Amine, Reshad Jones Cameron. Kim those are the type of the guys that they associate with the Miami. Dolphins and it is. It's it sucks. What happened and just like with Cam wake, you know. He wasted his his prime with a bad Miami. Dolphins Michelle Jones. Jones wasted his career with a bad Miami Dolphins team, and you know you mentioned Jason Taylor Zach Thomas I. Mean if it goes back to Dan Marino, you know they just never won the game. They just they wasted all these great towns and players so you know. Reshad Jones the big thing going on right now and I want to get your take on this. Everyone thinks he should. Should he or she not be part of the ring of a of honor, and I went on and try to look at some of the names on that list and other guys that are not on that list is also Ricky Williams. Jones listen in Cameron. Wake so if you can only put one of those guys in the ring of honor, which one would you pick between? Williams way don't Jones. Yeah, that is a that is a tough one. I. I'm sorry, this isn't something that we like had discuss so like. Question, if you had to pick one. Because I think that's really how how the hall of fame and these things should go where where there are going to be. Players left out, and and you know, but but you know Ricky, okay, these are three incredible fantastic players. You can't tell the history of the Miami Dolphins without but. You know you ricky e quote. Unquote quit on football, whatever I completely support him through everything, but for the sake of this argument that you know is, is the quote unquote negative? I mean wake I think has to be the one rare. I mean Saxes, just such an appealing spot, but I mean I'm Reshad, Jones homer and you know he was the one who told us that Adam. Adam Gates wasn't the guy. Something I've always ranted about is. We can't tell a coach after the first season I know. Everyone loved Adam Gates. After that you know two thousand sixteen season made the playoffs when all these close games, but even though the advance LX kind of said, this team was a bunch of frauds. We trusted them in two thousand, seventeen and everything started falling. Apart excuse me and Jones, the Guida. Evans said he quit on the team, but in reality that was the only way by take himself. Advocate was the only way he could get anybody to listen to the fact, know gays wasn't talking with the defensor. All these internal issues with the team that was all started because of Reshad Jones, and you know, take that for what it is. He's too emotional. He cared about south that that isn't an I think but to bring it back I. Think it's gotTa be Kim wake just because i. think he is the more fan favorite, but I think Reshad Jones is. A cult hero in a sense because I mean the I think it was back to back games with the pick sixes the when when Dan Campbell took over in what was that twenty fourteen and it was the Houston. Texans game I was at that game, which was absolutely incredible and wasn't there game. Right before right after that where they blew out a team. I'm sorry I should've like with this up. But but I think he had picked sixes in both. Or something along those lines I would go reshad Jones, just because I love his story, and we can talk about Cam. Wake and the flipflops, but wakes always been loved. He's always been that guy I just him trying to give Jones a lot of credit, he didn't ever get as a member of the Miami Dolphins he mentioned. you know not being on the NFL all decade team. Being a guy who never complained in terms of the tea being bad, he just went out there and play it and bald, really hard. Yeah man and I I kind of really WANNA rate on this whole Reshad Jones. Thing because I mean this is all about how good he was with the Miami Dolphins, and just how good of a career he had, and just how under appreciated, he really is for me. The is clearly ricky Williams what he did for this team, and he's kind of what I remember I. Guess Most finally besides those Dan Marino. Days were ricky. Ricky Williams, you know just running the Rock, the over and over and over again in the early two thousand, so while you can make a case for any of these guys. I think without ricky. Williams being on there. You know I wouldn't put her Jones or a camera week, but just to get back into a shot Jones was right. He said about him. Gates was one hundred percent correct, and we should listen to him. It sucks away that his career ended, but you know we just gotTa remember the good times and in last decade you know. Rashaad Jones has been a hall of fame player for the Miami Dolphins. Let's be honest that the game for everyone who shout at me. It was the titans. The dolphins went thirty eight to ten, and the year was twenty fifteen. Excuse me those couple of years because there's only a few big wins throughout them. They kind of get a little jumbled together. Yeah, no, I think all freely. Guys deserve deserve to be in the ring of honor for a team and I get why they do it for team that loves live in the past so much I mean. We got to celebrate these guys I. Mean these are the only reasons you know you're buying jerseys, t players. Fans Buying Jerseys a cam wake Rashaad Jones Ricky lives. All three of those guys really belong in the ring of honor, because there's such a big part of the Miami Dolphin history. And that's kind of the key here and you know again are mentioned that I. Think it's a little bit of disservice of How his career was kind of overlooked for being on a bad team and I was on the phonetics, a podcast last night and I go check them out Brian and the crew are great. Great guys and we were talking about the Zach Thomas not being in the hall of fame thing and I kinda wanted to of compare Thomas Jones in a little bit of a sense of. Because they're both those feel good heroes for the dolphins former fifth round picks, both that really just came in, and just worked their asses off. They really just kinda showed up, and just started bawling out. and they're kind of argument to wise. Zach Thomas is in the hall of fame again. We all agree he should be in the hall of fame, but what could be going against them? Saying that? You Know Zach Thomas showed up to work every day. He didn't really have that. You know magic in terms of you know that stat Sunday night playoff performance that Monday night football, showing where where all the reporters could only rave about how he just put on a show, and he did that all the time at one PM on Sundays and there's nothing wrong with that he belongs in. In the hall of fame I'm just saying. These are the things that can kinda work against you is how all these reporters Kinda? Remember you saying you on the big stage and that's why you know that's the difference you know earlier. We saw him in super bowls rails Lewis. We and super bowls. We saw these guys on different commercials and everything like that and these things really shouldn't impact your. Opportunity to get into the hall of fame, but it does. It's just how it works all these people you know. Remember the stories of all these different guys, and that's how they kind of remember these players from those you know. Nighttime Games but the kind of real back in here I think Jones was a very emotional player and I. Don't think anyone will say that and I think just like sack. Not Saying anything might have quote. Unquote hurt him. I think Jones sang too much. Hurt Him. Even though I don't think it should have. And he just kind of again. Weird that everyone bat badmouthed him Jones if he does retire after playing only four games I season he he really deserves a hero's sendoff. I think we need to get you know these guys. The. Retired I. We see Jason Taylor all the time. Why isn't Zach Thomas on it all the time? Jones should be on it. All the time Ricky Williams should be out time for a team and I'm going to say it again. A team that loves live in the past on social media. These guys need to be more involved with the franchise outside of Jason Taylor and Dan Marino because I feel like those are the only two we see which again. Yes, they should certainly those to be involved with the team, but these other guys are just as important to what his team has been at least in the last twenty years. Yeah that's what it all goes back to the last twenty years. Dolphins haven't been very good, and that's why these guys are never going to get the true sendoff that they deserve in just like says act. Thomas. You know he didn't go out there and make those splashy plays in those games. That had any meaning because he was on. Just another mind me. Dolphins team so Rashaad Jones I hope. I hope content with the way things you know you're going out, but just know that you know Dolphin fans appreciate everything. They did for them for so many years. And you know you re truly an elite safety, and you know if the dolphins can. Find another one of you in Van. Jones or if Eric Rowe becomes. You know he's kind of a different mold of a safety, but. You know you're a Helluva player. Shot Jones so so thank you for everything he did. And finally we could start to wrap it up. devante Parker is releasing a cartoon series and. It's you know in things we most certainly could have seen coming as you know a guy who loves SPONGEBOB GETS A FORTY MILLION DOLLAR contract starting our current to I'm not the target audience for it. I think it's Kinda set for kids and Jason Kidd whatever But it seems fun. know like I said after you know knowing. He loves spongebob. We kind of saw this coming in the preview. He kinda talked about the importance of eating right sleep and right and working right It seems like he truly has a change mentality, and it's called uncle, Dante kind of love the whole. Uncle Devante thing going from the rookie. We kind of see SOM- grow into a veteran. The uncle on the team and that's kind of cool. The see I hope the show goes goes well, but outside of that little preview I haven't watched too much about it or seen. Read whatever you want to say too much about it. Yeah. It's just you need to weigh everything you know all these players in the different hobbies. I guess they have their kind of coming out during this whole. Pandemic. It's I. Mean it's it sucks everything that's happening, but like Calvin. Got Into East sports and I got devante Parker making his own cartoon. I mean it looks like a fun idea, and and you just wonder if him saying about eating right and all that stuff is. Kind of taking a jab at himself because he knows you know that's kind of would help him back those early years, so it'll be interesting to see you know how many episodes and how often they release these things, but it seems like an interesting concept and you know he's are wide receiver, so we'll support him in whatever he does. Yeah, and that's. That's kind of a good point in terms. Terms of job because it is a nephew saying, let's stay up all night eating ice cream and playing video games and he's like you know. I gotta work I gotTa do all the stuff, and and it's just so cool to kind of see that growth and we saw pay off last year. Obviously and to that's going to be an interesting thing is if you could repeat that I, don't think. I, think I kinda want to talk about this again for a minute. I know we talked about all the receivers. A lot men, the more I think about it. It's so hard to see Parker having another year like last year, and that has nothing to do with him. You Know I. Just think there's GonNa be so many pieces around a lot presently is starting to get all that hype again and to kind of. Close this section for me at least I mean I just hope Preston Williams's enforced fat as much as he was at thoroughly part of last season, because the dolphins have a boatload of weapons. started playing so much better when Williams wasn't getting the ball, you know seven eight nine ten times a game and same with Devante Parker I think in order to have a well rounded system. The dolphins need to focus on and getting everybody involved, and as a result. You Know Williams, is he? GonNa see as many targets. Parker isn't going to get as many yellow balls, and that's GonNa be kind of interesting to see how the distribution works for these guys. Yeah and this is all kinds of stuff that you find out with training camp and preseason. All those things that we're going to miss this year in mature if reporters are allowed the. tweet or reports some of the things that are going to happen camp this year so You know we're going to go into the season. Blind him. It's going to be interesting to see the way things play out like you said because you know if they get the running game together. Those are also targets that they're gonNA. Take away from some of. Of those those other guys on the outside I mean if that offensive line can solidify, and those running backs at the dolphins brought in Howard and Brita and you know they can make the most of their touches. This team could start to look a lot different than last year's team in a good running game. You know that's when the success comes so. I'M GONNA love to see the way everything plays out, but you know again it's it's just one of those things where there's a lot of mouths to feed, and no one knows how truly on a look. 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OITNB Episode 52: "Full Circle"

Cincy Jungle

48:55 min | 8 months ago

OITNB Episode 52: "Full Circle"

"And welcome to the oranges. New Black podcast. Pockets for diehard bills. Fan I'm your host as Boogie. Joey my co-host Zim who they say what's up. What's up hello world? How's it going this evening? Staying Corona free. I gather I hope so. I hope so so. Today we have a lot of items talk about. We're going to talk about some of the interviews that went on with Dan Hoard. And Zack Taylor. We're GONNA talk about Shine Williams. We're GONNA talk about it. All uniform changes all of it. We're going to talk about any doubt land. So let's let's get it. So what are you talking about? I assume we're kicking it off first. Let's talk about weaker. Curly talk about At the very beginning just been watching a lot of mock drafts but more importantly Morton anybody that has crossed. My radar is milk. I for jobless four point zero. He goes into the second round. I was told that goes in gets offensive tackle. I think it's a Jackson from. Usc is someone is seen it. Correct me if I'm wrong because you need. Spf plus to see the ranking online. They just did a special. Espn pry hour ago But in the first round they talked about. Joe Borough people not trading out of the pick In I don't really have anything new to say about Gerbil. Have you start? Hearing some of the stories are heard about a bunch of stories So there are a lot of nine of believers that say that Jober wasn't a starter. Ohio state with you hear stories about high fractured his hand. How you still competing higher still warrior. How we get beat up with practice you all these different stories all the teams everybody. Senate is Great. Everything is just coming full circle and I feel like we're really close. We're nine days away at the time that we're filming this. I purposely screen shot all the negative comments all day on my phone and I have a folder for them for all the negative people that say that Joe Borough isn't GonNa win here and all that stuff like that and I'm working on a visual board. My wife got me into this thing too so I have like this thing where I get sued by a lot of different things as I'm going throughout the day. I'm working on the visual board. Some of the most like comments that get under my skin now most like I'm just kinda using them just to say later on. We're going to find these guys and we're going to say what was that that you were saying about job. Because I know that there's very few times in history that numb a quarterback. Like if you just go back and look go back and look at Andrew World. That only only seen that. I've seen legit weapons. Was the Cam Newton. There's very few times when a number one quarterback has this many weapons and that alone makes me feel very very very optimistic about our future. Does that mean we're GONNA win the Super Bowl Year one? I don't think so. But that's not how judging our success and I'm very excited about this end in closing on my job borough intro here Joe. Borough is a little Uzi. Vert van if you all don't know I've named Son Uzi. I'm the biggest lizzy Vert Fan. You will ever meet in your life. I think that this is already it? Joe Borough is going to be like I already made borough baby's clothing. I already got borough babies borough jerseys so this is something that is just is all clicking coming together Joe. Girls Favorite Candy is my favorite candy. Caramel apple POPs. If you guys are not familiar with care apple go get some go. Google online charms makes it is the Greatest Canyon Urban. It's like I don't even eat sweets a lot. It's my one addiction that I just cannot stop eating but Uzi were like he doesn't even in the only times that he tweeted was to re tweet. Eternal take and if you're older listening to this you may not understand what I'm saying about Uber. But here's a rock and roll led Zeppelin a fusion of rap. It's like the changing of the guards and that he's very meaningful in the rap game to me and I think he's a very special artists in Jonesboro recognizes that not the second anyway thing away from anything and you might think that's weird but I think it says a lot because WHO's evert is a very aggressive a very very very like I only have a word to describe. It is is very polarizing force and the fact that Joe Burrow says that he turns to that before a is all I need to hear. That's my favorite artists. Like come on is already river as go punch. The bag one will do about it into the show. I'll go ahead and punch the bag in the back we've got the steelers punching bag in the back. I someone asked me comments a week ago to put one in there One question that we have from the super chat through my Guy Rick Man. What's going on Rick? I appreciate the Nice sentiments that you've given us here. What will be the order of the AFC North Twenty twenty? I think from my perspective right now depending on how things go into the draft. I I really have to see how things shake out with borough and how they addressed the Line in defense but if. I had to give you an answer today. We're right now. I still would probably put the ravens at number one. I think the bengals our number two. I think we're followed by the Cleveland browns and I think that the steelers the steelers is tough. It could actually be between the steelers browns but right now. I'm GonNa say the Browns just because we don't know what Ben Roethlisberger is GonNa come back looking like off of that. Tommy John Surgery now steeler fans are probably GonNa hate me. 'cause they're going to be like we went eight last year. But I think that that is going to be crucial into what next season will look like Zim if you had to give an order of what the AFC North would look like in twenty twenty? What would you say? I'm very superstitious about this type of stuff right but I will say that the bengals will not be in last place. Okay this place. Two Thousand Twenty. I I this is this is arguably like I. I could argue talent wise. The Elsie North has three. I mean I don't even want to include the bengals but the Elsinore has three of three teams that had the most talented roster in football. You could argue. You could easily have an argument that the browns although they may not have the best organization and everything like that but the browns the steelers on Defense Arabia's all around probably ran out the top ten in the AFC I mean not even se the NFL. And then we're into in wearing the same division them and I. I'm not naive to think that we're our roster could compete with the talent level of it but I do believe that there's one ultimate you know To that it doesn't matter if your talent level is the very best in you have one of the top five top Tim quarterbacks in the NFL it will catapult. You said it's up and we see it every year. The seahawks never have the most talented roster or they did back in the capital days in that era. Whatever but they don't have the most talented air. I mean Roster currently right now and I feel like they never do but they always Russell Wilson and I think that's what that X. factor that Joe Borough could be coming out of the gate right. I think when you spoke on jober earlier. I think we've heard a lot of things this week. We saw a lot of his personality on display with the job burrow through sixty was introduced by NFL DOT com. Where we got to hear from his high school coaches. They told interesting stories. Just like Joe. Borough apparently received a second place trophy in through it in the trash completely. Threw it in the trash didn't want and also was given back that trophy Disfigured the trophy because he was not cool with a second place at all which. That's what I loved here coming in for. God it's going to be a rookie in a you. Also hear about his fiery personality seeing that comment against a team like the steelers. I can't wait for that to happen. shifting gears. There is another question in the chat from Wolf. Came five one three. What are we doing with dot? Net is one of the topics that we wanted to hit on throughout this show. In terms of from my opinion I think that the bengals really kind of innocence botched this entire transaction because they waited and tried to hold their cards in hope that they could squeeze in my opinion I think a higher draft pick out of the Chicago bears in the Chicago. Bears pretty much hit him with their poker face. And say will will raise your Andy Dalton in Nick foles for a lower draft pick and I think that's what they went with so this is kind of put the bingos in a situation where to have one or two options right. You can either release outright. Which could be on the way or you can stall and wait and hold him on the roster and make things very uncomfortable for your new rookie Joe Borough and hold him into the preseason and wait for one of those teams are one of those quarterbacks to go down with the injury. That's the only time that she will have any kind of leverage when it comes to but as we talked about before the Show Museum. Kinda talked about that post that Andy Dalton put up with him throwing in the backyard with his kids. Is that just this evening post? Does that mean that something is on the way? I'm not sure. What are your thoughts on? Andy Don I don't think anything of it. I think he probably does that every single day of his life. I think Andy Dalton and should be I never. I never doubted any down. Andy Dalton. It's talent you know. I think like a lot of people just because people like myself. Criticizing so heavily for giving up and clutch moments not The famous four point three the famous you know like a third and ten like there's so many different places that I can pinpoint say like. Yeah that's not the guy but I don't think that Eddie doesn't love football. I do think he loves football and I think he wakes up every day and he probably works to wars like his dream and I think he's probably walking around with a chip on their shoulder and I just think he's working out every day and I don't think they're bangles told him to do it. I just think that to some. I have a brown nose. Listen I have a lot going on right now? You can follow this. All my channel Abney Stripe City Zimba's on Instagram as underscore. Who He is not wearing a bra is wearing. They tanked up. I ever feel like my tits are out that I gotta go. Put My tits up all right all right eighty dollars. I feel like football. I think he's always practicing and I don't think it means anything you know. I just think like just posted it up and if it's a reminder for people that he does accuracy when he's not under pressure there you go you know. Speaking speaking under pressure we talked about the often Salon Zim. You had a list as you. Head together of some offensive lineman rankings. Obviously Offensive Tackle Office of Guard possibly are going to be options that the bengals are going to be looking at right. That's the point to some weaknesses. Offensive Line has to be at the top of that list. Especial which go on after a quarterback in franchise quarterback and Joe Borough so if you could Zan please give me your rankings. Your thoughts on this draft class for some of our fans that might not be aware of those linemen because you definitely have a great list that you put together and there's two guys that are not on this list that I've been my DM's I mean. They I don. I think people think that I'm a block them if they talk trash on my as they like. Dnb light man no disrespect. But I'M GONNA go over my list number one. I Have Agile Thomas Georgia. I feel like he fits the mold. I feel like he's everything. Johnny Williams brought to the disabled consistency will play in the NFL. Ten plus years like no cap doesn't have the big big big crazy plays that like MCI economic Later has but every single game shows out grades out well next Tristan worse from Iowa third. I have JR Edrich. Will Jesuit Willis from Alabama? Who that could've went to three echo got switched around. Josh Jones has my number four in. That's very interesting because Josh Jones is a guy who plays the tackle position at Houston. Very Athletic. Love the size I love. I love the age. I love everything. Fits the profile. And it's a guy that could potentially be their number. Thirty three there is going to be a runoff tackles. Org and we'RE GONNA go. He might not be one of them in reason. Why because Mikhail Becton or a lot of people have a above? That might a lot of people have that above him He might go there. And that's what would make Josh. Joe Saul to US AS CLEVELAND. I have after that. Who Traded. Who out so crazy at the combine every measurable possible but the problem is the production of say. The different games that I watched constantly game beat constantly get beat. Espace which is going to be something. I think that the BENGALS ARE GONNA be converted over to to try to appease Joe Borough in this next thing. You'RE GONNA see a lot of four wildfire wise sets. The tight end position is not going to be what it was like for this team. Moving forward if they're accommodating JOE BOROUGH AS CLEVELAND ON TAPE DOES IT FIT. That can coach them up. I'm not sure I don't. I don't know how much you have in a turner but he's my number six number seven. I Have Been Bart's number eight Austin Jackson. In Austin Jackson is another guy that's been get linked to US also In Guy wouldn't mind taking the number thirty three. Did so many guys right there at the top of the second round is so hard for them to drew sample. This it like number nine per my number ten was Jack Driscoll and that's only because I posted this too. I feel like he's the most slept born lime it in the Dr. He gave up a total of like twenty precious. His whole entire collegiate career like the guy's super super consistent. He got hurt and I think because he doesn't have a lot of splash. Plays or whatever like I washed against the best of the best offer in. He held his own every single time. And it's a name that I don't really hear that much. The names that ideally are Cesar Ruiz who is twenty years old. He's a center Michigan. I just don't think the bengals would be looking or want to convert him over a move them over based on the conversations or not conversation based on interviews exact Taylor Assay. Also another. Guy's Isaiah Wilson from Georgia. He missed he fits the bill or everything. I wanted to X. As before finalize this list and said so for my list this is the thing for Mollis I have as Wilson it like number eight and then I also have reason number seven right. This is my bengals list in I just based on the conversations and the different things that have come out. It's just a match up but I didn't WanNA act as on his prime list. If you guys don't know ACIS developed a program called prime this prime looks into the Duke Tobin History in and it goes in pays attention to all the different characteristics and traits. And I wanted to see where does as there will send or sees our Ruiz's misjudging this but based off of what I've seen because Zack Taylor. We're GONNA get into was on Dan Patrick. Show and he also met with Dan. Hor and he had rave reviews for your Spiel so which makes me believe that. They're they're absolutely dig about. Starting that guy there he came out and said trae wages are he came out and said a lot of guys are starting like definitively right so fi low. I think like you touched on definitely probably has that right guard. Spot a lot and terms of Isaiah Wilson looking at his prom score. He's sitting at a four out of five. So let's extremely high if you're looking for garrison of someone that he would be higher than talk about MCI BECTON. They actually would have him as hire someone like. Mikhail Becker who comes in at a three point eight six still pretty close given what? Kinda Round Gray. They have on those guys that could detect could determine which whether they go with that you talk about one of the top guys on their list which they probably won't be able to get would be. Jack Wills I think he's expected to go before thirty three Andrew Thomas. That's a four point two one. He's likely going to be gone. You talk about hearing that the bucks they're going to possibly trade up as well. The browns are in the market for a new tackle. Sounds tackle some keeps getting linked to the Browns to. I can't Ezra Cleveland actually comes in at four point three one so he's up there as well Pf He's a four prediction. But you have to kind of take. These projections would've grant assault. I'm I trust Pe- just because they work with the team so maybe they know some insight that we don't know of a right now he is somewhat higher than some of those other guys the named as well so. I think when you look at it altogether Tristan worst. He's probably going at Jack just goalie. He's another guy that could appeal to them. Lukasz that's all I'm saying is my number ten. Gotcha Gotcha offer a lot of people. Yeah that's the third inning new Lucas new ING Isaiah Wilson sees our Ruis or three guys that I kept on getting like. Why is he not on the top ten? And so what I was going to ask you is do you have like based off the prime? Can you share your screen or can you just settlers would it? What is the ten most viable options? That you think the Bengals will be saying from office. We talked about this before this. But I ain't enough. You had already light ready to. If we're talking in terms of tackles a I could go by the score. Could go around. So if we're just going strictly off of like the highest prom. Score Jesuit will still is the number one guy. He's there at four point five zero after him. You actually have a guy by the name of prince when they go. That's another guy put on our live last weekend. It's we actually did pick him up on our live as well. That was a gentleman by the name of Colton. Make vits. I believe. That's his name now. He's he's got a late round pit so if they were to take two tackles and they wanted to pick one later you probably hear that guy the next highest guy. Actually Ezra Cleveland. So he's up there and then there's no surprise with this one because the bengals actually met with this guy virtually a camera cart. He's another guy that's going to be a later round kind of option for them. If they're going with another tack win like six or seven row it would be that gentleman The other third highest guy on the list is drunk drivers goalie so the guy that she talked about a little bit earlier. That was in your top ten. He's there you also have Lucas neon followed by. He's got the four point two three. Then you've got Andrew Thomas Josh Jones Tristian Worse Austin Jackson so a lot of these guys really fit that mode. If you're looking at that don't fit the mold with the lowest scores. You're talking about a Kyle Murphy. You're talking about You're talking about a macaw becton. Surprisingly does not fit their mode. And he's at three point eight six. So if anybody's seen anything about Mikhail back then he kind of reminds me. I cannot think of this guy and I'm so mad at my so but he has his big splash plays where he's absolutely just knocking guys over in like not even just in a standard ring. Play like I mean it just just in a standard blocking transition not even like zone thing not nothing where anyone is like interweaving or anything like that. Just knocking guys out and pancake him yes. He's big flash players but he has these plays where he just takes all like in here. When I'm looking at it. Looks like his isn't where it should be in touch with the bengals like at right. Tackle his body mass. Bmi isn't there is arm. Length is a little bit shorter than what they have traditionally looked at and you look at his age as well so those are all factors that go against him there in terms of guys that it works for like. Let's say for instance we're talking about Lucas Neang. You look at some of the strong points. Are they have drafted Lineman from his conference? They have drafted someone from his school. You talk about that. Bmi He's the perfect size that they liked there in terms of height and weight. He also has the hand size that they look for as well so a lot of arm link. Things are really like imported. He's kind of checking the boxes on. So that's what for the most part Picks up some of these metrics in prime minister. Funny that we talked about this because when I was watching the NFL network. It seemed like they were doing something similar to prominent turns of athleticism score productivity score as well Outside of that I know you also had a linebacker lists that I'm back listed in one second. I want to go over some of these things real quick. Because I don't want I told everybody to come on here and alive and talk to us whatever Andrew Humphrey Bro Edward Rydell. He says he wanted us to talk about Stephen Smith. I've been doing this thing where I'm not shedding light on all these people that are talking all this craziness that I I don't even know if this click data anymore. I just think that people just missed misinform. I definitely feel you on that just to briefly touch base on it because like him. I agree. We shouldn't really give these guys any attention. Especially when you're talking about a Guy Stephen a Smith that thought that Hunter Henry was playing on a Monday night football game when he was deactivated for the season reference. Guys that weren't even on the chiefs At the time that he made that reference to me is all about spreading narrative to try to get Joe Borough away from the Cincinnati Bengals the national media in terms of some of the bigger memberships. I can't speak for all of them because we are friends with some of them on twitter but he talked about the talking heads like the Stephen a Smith's a common cowher's those guys Literally they kind of all. Have this agenda for these players to play in big markets because it's more beneficial to them. There's more stories that there can right. There's more people that can access but it you kind of really essentially see through the flaws when they talk about referenced. The Miami Dolphins being a good football team because they're not they're complete trash. I live in Florida. The Miami Dolphins are complete trashed or not a good organization. They had a guy that was one of their offensive line coaches. That was disbarred from the team from being on drugs. So we'll just keep it that 'cause it's a pg thirteen show but This isn't a model franchise at all so when you talk about instead of going to the bengals going to the Miami Dolphins you clearly know. Absolutely nothing about the Bengals and Stephen a Smith. I think that a lot of people realized that that gets bengals. Fans tents and it gets us to pay a lot of attention to us. Alight Zimba San. I think that we should start to tune out the noise. And it's all complete trash honestly is complete trash and this is coming from got US steelers fan. So what do you expect? He's probably scared about what? Joe Borough is GonNa do too Big Ben in his quarantine body pound power right now so. Don't even focus on any of that stuff is just noise. The bengals will be picking Joe. Borough they would not be a trade Zach around dolphins came out and said that they don't have any aspirations of giving up that much because they're trying to build a better roster and they can't see themselves giving up multiple first round picks for one guy in exact like you were just saying if a team is willing to do that. Then verifies what we think about About our guy in that guy's gotta be Joe Berle Right. Like who else are we talking about? The I told my wife that same thing and she said yeah they're just verifies like why would they traded. Everybody wants this one guy out that would be silly for like give it up and she said you're talking about a guideline kilburn just came out today. Starting to catch up a guy came out with today saying that compared Joe Borough to Peyton manning so for me. Am I going to take the advice of somebody like or someone like Gil Brandt? That has the experience of twenty thirty years of scouting experience. I'M GONNA go with Gillibrand. Honestly I I think Joe Boroughs better than payment. I don't think I don't think he'll ever ever be able to be paid like because there's only one payment any but as far as like his ability to extend the play inning never as over would be happy if he could be an online Costa Joe. Montana pay manning Tom Brady. I would take into the two if anybody anybody out here has any doubt about Joe. Borough you just think like I don't know what you think the number one person that you could look at and say this is how he plays is maybe on the to me floor will be Tony. Romo that's the floor right right. He plays like that in the in the silicon or maybe he can eclipse this. Is Steve Young? If you look at those two players and I'm not I'm not comparing Joe Bureau College prospects that either one of those players but there is no bone in my body. That thinks that he'll he won't be exactly on the on the small side with Tony. Romo did for seem in for that franchise. Y'All talk we talk about. Just the playoff win and stuff like that like. That's that's easy work. Joe Borough will ever be like West. We get that one. We'll we won't even remember the day. Joe Borough will be just so much more heavily day you are all realized. Joe Borough a win win the Super Bowl and people four years from that will still be like man he did. It like look at look at the decline of jokes locker or somebody like that. Like is not far. Fetched That these quarterbacks win really really big and then a couple years lay like I mean look at Cam Newton saying like this guy's the MVP but people are treating him as though like even here with a bomb arm is better than forty percent if not fifty percent of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL even even a cabinet these all these guys so to me the floor is always going to be like Tony Romo because he plays on that level. But it's pretty good floor and that's a pretty good floor but it depends on how you how you expect if you're going to be one of those guys that's going to be judging. Joe Borough for his whole entire career based on success of Chase. Young or any of the other quarterbacks like tour or anybody in draft. We'll see you know it's all about. The fit is is so many different factors that have to happen. The bengals have to as the organization of better themselves. They have to put the resources around them. So when we're talking about the number thirty three picks I really really says we did that. Live the other day I really really. I always played his one thing in my head about when Marvin Lewis left. He only did a couple interviews where he even mentioned the battles but he always say he said it's twice when he did like a little Bangguo. Nfl NETWORK ESPN. He said they have to fix the line and from deeper specialist like Marvin Lewis for him to say that unless that's very telling to say that they were Super Super Limited. Dan Antidote and a lot of people brag about how fast he gets. The ball out is because they're super super limited or what they can do what they can run at how predictable to be especially on third down when tears could absolutely destroy you when they know you're going to pass the biggest the biggest biggest dilemma that the Bengals have had in the last couple of years is the office is never produce to the point where you could just have. Kara Lawson in a third and a third situation in a NASCAR packets. Their biggest problem is the deepest always looks a lot worse than what it really is. Because they're always planning from behind so he still has to play gap integrity. He still has to sit the edge. He's still has to do these. Things teams like the go up. Twenty points on their flying up still killing quarterbacks. It's time to go. It's time to eat but bengals have never lead with that so depressed with championship guys. Every week we do these lives in here. They always talk about some other. Defense is terrible even like the deepest could be averaged it. The bengals scored twenty eight thirty points. A game the defense will be amazing. It will look so amazing to you. Just buy them scoring those points. Playing with the league versus playing from a deficit is two major things that are super super overlooked in all of this. When we look at the chiefs no one can name their linebackers and what you do name the linebackers like Ragland. Who they don't even have they don't even using the way that you guys are are saying that you knew the linebacker. That's why I was selling as before this. The next part of this is I think. One of the most underrated sinuses thing is. Josh buys me as both have and I was looking at his grades compared to like chiefs linebackers or any of this up linebacker. Josh raise out in the top covers portion in never great it under seventy five twenty five which is very very high for a linebacker This past year in all of his games that alone will give the bengals the freedom not to force the force the issue because I saw some people saying linebackers. GotTa be number thirty three. It is not in this. Nfl whatever linebacker as we saw later on the year did she stopped playing their linebackers. They started in. That's exactly wash on wills vom bill in Mackenzie all can work together in that aspect. And it's GonNa be really fun as let's say it's GonNa be really fun because they're watching that and they're seeing these different things so everybody wants Array Louis but Ray Lewis. No come out every year the guys that. I thought were so amazing. Even if you look at. What's the kid from? The bears was the linebacker that just got a that was considered like maybe the next. We didn't have a pop off like that because there's only going to be so many linebackers and when you get one yet it's going to be a force to be reckon would but to go reach for that to me. Linebacker run back running back to lease valuable position football. You were talking about quantum if but so every at a draft. I Google everything you said there. In terms of Linebacker I think the earliest that they should look at one third round. You look at Germain Pratt. Last year was got it. They got in the mid to later rounds and they came out pretty good on that end. So some of the guys I'll let him tell his list. But for me right now. Tencent of prime some of the guys that stick out top of that list. I would love to have personally especially after watching this. Film is Logan Wilson from Wyoming. He's the highest guy on the on the Prime Board at four point seven three. He's expected to own the third or fourth round. That would be perfect. Unfortunately the second guy after him is another guy that I really liked. Unfortunately he got injured during the season. And that's mark is barely from purdue four point six one. I'd love to take a fifth round six round flyer on him similar to what they did with Anderson last. I would love to see that. You also talk about Josh Josh. But ZAC bond of Wisconsin moreover versatile linebacker has been more of a edge rusher but could be the perfect guy in terms of that transition to the three four that people have been putting out there at the bengals may be switching to but he's also a guy that does have some cover potential. Sounds crazy because this is a guy that is in Russia but also has the ability to cover as well that athleticism. He was projected to be late. First Round possibly second round at least locked. Now it comes out the his urine sample was diluted. So that could push him back to necessarily gotTA keep your eye on in. Excuse me as Adam. Schefter came out and said this about a couple of hours ago because it was a diluted sample and it wasn't part of the new bargaining agreement that could penalise them. He doesn't see him drop her Adam. Schefter cool so if that bond does make it thirty three that's probably a pipe dream because I think that he could go in that late. That late first round area. You also have some other guys that. Make the list Evan Weaver. That's a guy that could be in the six round and I when I listened to some of these other podcasts. And some of these draft analysts. The first thing that I heard before I even did problem was that. There's not much of a difference between a guy in the third round in six rounds. Connector doing research looking at a lot of the metrics filled if that rings true when it comes to getting past a certain crop of guys. There's not really that much of a difference between some of the guys in the third versus some of the guys in the six round. You guys were on here last week where we took Willie Gay. That's another guy that's pretty high. We'll talk about a third round. Great their Medicare certain another guy from Ohio state. He's got a four point two nine grade as well. So there's a lot of options that the bengals could be looking at with these guys and they don't necessarily have to take a Patrick Wayne net early. They don't have to really jump out the window and do that. And Kenneth Murray in my opinion. He's not good against the run he might be a decent coverage but he to me isn't worth in my opinion the second round pick versus. Us getting someone like a Josh Jones. I think Josh Jones brings you a lot more value than a guy like Kenneth Murray would but with that being said Zim. Let's go ahead and get into your linebacker list and then we can try to wrap up here as we all right mckeon it. He keeps on saying he needs to clarify. There's not a Lotta starting positions. Open their office a line so he said Bro. Stop Bros Dot way. He didn't reply to someone in the chat. So it seems as a as if someone I think is saying that we should either trade up or something like that and I think he's saying that we don't have enough picks or something like that. I'm not sure exactly we. We have a lot of picks like the Patriots have twelve but I will say this. We have a big advantage in this. Virtual draft is that we had the first pick of every single round. So we don't have this rush rush rush frantic pace to address. We have a whole twelve hour eight hour period inbetween nights where we're actually phony phone calls. Where resetting our board. So the Bengals have. This is the ultimate ultimate draft for them to be able to have this luxury where they can reset each night and they don't have to race against the clock. I will say that in four that I do want to say that later right after we do this. I just WanNa talk about like the bengals should be able to try to trace back in second. But I'm GonNa tell you how in what but as me my linebacker rankings. My number one of course is a SMS. Who I don't believe will be there. My next is Patrick Queen. My next is Willie Gay Junior Willygate Julia is. I don't know this and he. He's a little unorthodox when you watch them Moorefield He. He constantly picks the wrong angles. He constantly does a lot of things wrong. Play when he does when he is on is perfect like I mean. In in his way faster he's more rangy is is. Violence is pure destruction on the field when the guys on her in and I don't know if I'm more freighted him going to like the browns the steelers or somebody like that then I am. Actually I just went after the division it. We are going to get this guy. He is going to absolutely cause headaches. Willie gay junior does not need to be in the AFC. North every is not on our team. Okay after that then I go into Zach bomb because I do kinda still consider him a edge but even at the combine he said. I'm absolutely a linebacker. Wisconsin made me Primarily rush you know what have you WanNa look at it? After that I have Maliki Harrison from Ohio state. So I know you guys are GonNa like that after that. I had Georgia Brooks Texas Tech. Who JUST KINDA got my radar. Probably like this past week still making the same place. There is tremendous depth at the linebacker position. After that. Then I have Kenneth Murray Choi Die. I'm sorry Kenneth. Murray Dinner Davis Gaither Troy that in my number. Ten is Logan Wilson. So that's my top ten and I'll be posting on my page on Instagram. If you guys don't know I'm Zim underscore who they on instagram. That was a great list so before we close out then. Was there anything else that she wanted to about? I just wanted to. I want to say there was a There is there is a chance. The number thirty three pick is so high value. It is almost two hundred points higher on a on a trade chart that. Nfl Has Been Kerr. Electing over the years it's the it's the perfect situation since we have. We do have a lot of holes. I don't know why he's saying that that we don't have that. We don't have a lot of holes on the office lines. There's a ton of holes I will. We're not even GonNa talk about this is it. They have a possibility. Apo- possibly get to second round picks. But they need to not go past number forty but there are four teams that have two second round. Picks that if this team needs to get up to the top of that round say a quarterback that somebody is not thinking drops say are herber Lamar Jackson right overnight. Like something crazy Jordan loves somebody. That should not be there. Ethan or somebody. That's a quarterback primarily that a team is really really Anita or planning for their future that night if that thing is the colts the Texas the bears or the Ravens which we probably don't count on the Ravens Bears I would think so right but those those teams because Texas now Desha Watson's now getting caught in a bunch of trade rumors stuff but but that's not. Don't pay attention to the team. Pay attention to the fact that these are the four teams that have two second round picks when I look traits. That thirty third pick is slightly higher than the the the point values that these fourteen hap but if someone like a quarterback or somebody that they really really relief is sitting right there. The bengals have an opportunity to possibly turning to second round picks but there is no circumstance. There is no scenario where they wouldn't come back and get a second round pick. That doesn't go past. Forty seven eight spots at the most. And then you're picking up another third round pick and a lot of these guys that we've talked about today will be there in the third round is so for me is almost a no brainer. Because even when we go through these tackles and we could go through the guards and we can go through the linebackers their dirty. When I say early in the pot I said that it'd be impossible for them to drew. Sample the pick every time I do a MA. There's literally after I picked it when I'm on the clock at the thirty third pick. There's literally like twelve fifteen guys. That are twelve tenets. Well guys that I would pick right at the thirty third spot if I can do that. In trade back and pick up another third. I mean to me. That's a no brainer birth right. I think I have to agree with that. Like depending on. Who's there right if it's if it's a pit or if there's a judge. Jones I think after let me let me not get things misconstrued. It's likely that Josh Jones isn't going to be there. So that will be not so you guys. On this fact that Josh Jones will be there. He could take a look autumn guys that we just name on our list. Two or three of them do that. Everybody will say Austin Jackson Isaiah Wilson Cesar if he's not there that means somebody else's going to be there and then you got other guys like to say to running backs go say. De'andre swimming another on about saying the bill gallimore. Who didn't who does get my ally like a sentence. Somebody's interior deep Islamic. Say these these positions that we're really targeted. There might be a random corners because the value of a corner is much higher the owners while we're not looking at corners because we just spent all that money on trains McKenzie and I still argue I will be looking at a couple of it's real Alabama. Was there I still? We may say? Hey I'll get him to. But my point is there's GonNa be a run on something it's GonNa push a lot of these guys that we right it really is a we're talking about is not a drew sample type situation. There's a lot of these guys will still be there in the middle of the second and one guy. I think what we don't want to happen though is in. We're in a different situation issues. You got the first pick him second round but last year when a guy like cody. Ford was not expected to be there. Some people are going to stop tanning. There and rumors came out that the bengals attempted to draft up but they didn't pull the trigger in they settled for drew sample. There's going to be someone like that. There what what really is going to entice them is how much someone's GonNa offer to move up to that second round. Pick naff they give you a king's ransom for that to move up there. I think that you have to take it. If they're not giving you adequate value in there somebody there. That shouldn't be there. Let's just say Andrew Thomas in that situation. Yeah you pull the trigger but I think the best move is was Zimba suggesting in what some of the people in the comments are suggestiveness. If there is a pick to move back and try to acquire some better talent would possibly be that thirty three pick. I mean I'm looking at A. There's an argument if the bengals have on their board. This is the only way I can say them like. Aj epion nestled. If he's there what did you say he's there right but say this is. This is a different question. Though for me I would pass on because that bond that means to me that bond is probably come off the border. Somebody had to come off the board that I wasn't thinking was GonNa come off the board right A. And then this is a bengals question. It has EPA as a first round of prospect. Yeah thirty three you go get them for all we know DISO mims. Excuse me or any of those guys. These guys were saying they might have say. They had them in their top ten fifteen in an area that thirty three. Yeah you take him unless you make a deal with the team and say you know these compensations happens you go back like three or four spots and you know for certain that those things aren't taking your guy or something like that then maybe do it but if that's your Guy Patrick Queen is your guy. Go ahead and take him. I'm not against that. I'm just saying that there's GonNa be a bunch of guys there. This is a scenario James. Repeating throughout the me and I wanted to close out with this and I wanted surprise as we do. Things are scripted. Keith through this out at the number sixty five is with the new value is now equated to for Trent Williams. You now have We're talking about all. These officers tackles and all these different guys like that. These guys in my mind will never be Trent Williams currently right now. I feel like if you guys don't if you like. If you like Azure Whitworth Bengal saying or whatever I live in Washington. Dc Area Williams is a seven time pro bowler elite tackle. That could play left or right tackle. This is not a according to Glenn Situation. He was given some medicals play with his life. The people might have thought he had. Cancer is a very confusing story ultimately. He just doesn't want to play for the redskins he super-motivated the players that I talked to that around that are currently training wheels. Say this guy. Is I the people on the two players on the BENGALS team? Let's say he's in the top three tackles in the NFL currently right now. By the guy for the raiders in the guy for the Saints Day said that. And that's and that's no cap. Everybody around the League believes that all players believe that. If you have the now the new value is a third round. Pick you had your quarterback on a rookie contract which is very important for you. Mr J Xiangfan guys. The value of a rookie quarterback is unprecedented in unmatched. You have that you have the ability to wash. Eighty dollars off your roster. You did go signed Joe Mixing do whatever you WanNa do but try Williams could be half for fourteen fifteen million dollars a year. You will have the money to pay it in his three to four year window with his rookie quarterback give up the number sixty five pick. Do give it up for trade winds your thing. That's a no brainer. A third round draft pick for Trent Williams. Yeah I do that all day because number one. He still in his early thirty. So it's not like this is a guy that could honestly play until he's about thirty seven thirty eight. We're seeing that right now with Andrew. Whitworth who I think. It's probably in his forties. So yes I would definitely take a guy like that with a third round. Pick especially if that sweetens the pot to the point where I can take Joe Borough number one in I can take the best player available. That could be another first. Rounder at The thirty three. I do that and then I can go and get. I can still saw my offensive line problem with getting him there. Yeah I would do that. And and then this great debate about our officer line and the national narrative. Odyssey's over it goes away. It's all over so if you're in the bengals front office and you hit that offer you gotta move. If there've been aggressive like they just were what one hundred something million hundred eight million in free agency? You don't stop right there you go get Trent. You Co make playoff year. One in sales a little crazy. But it's really not the as Ace's pointed out to me the forty niners will forfeit twelve. I mean four or will go on to go to the super bowl the following year. Right right I have to agree so with that being said. Thank you guys for joining us. I really appreciate the comments. I appreciate the super tracks. 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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins travel west to take on red-hot Cardinals

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins travel west to take on red-hot Cardinals

"Every wednesday on fish drive. Join me. Eric goes for full report. On the miami marlins singly affiliate the clinton lumber kings on eight ball with eric owes we sit down each week with the different prospect. That is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players trends and performances of miami's midwest league affiliate listen to abe law with eric goes every wednesday on fish rights law. Everyone and welcome to another episode of finsider radio aka. The jagan josh. show. I'm your host josh house. You can follow me on twitter at house h. o. u. t. and before i'm joined by my co host. Jake mendel you can follow him on. Twitter at j mendel ninety four that is at j. m. e. n. d. e. l. Ninety four before we dive into this busy week of dolphins news. I have to remind you. Listen to pod beans stitcher spotify apple. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Please smashed subscribe button. Leave us a review. If you both those things take a picture. Send it to other jay on twitter and you will be eligible to win a solomon kinley jersey. So with all of that said. Let's dive into our preview episode of the arizona cardinals. You heard from josh. Let's hear from jake jake. How're you doing today man. i'm good. I'm goodness friday. The workweeks just about over except for us a lucky guys who are lucky people. I should say who get to work on saturdays. And josh look like we're going to kind of get through while i mean we're only six weeks but start weave through the season without having to deal with the miami dolphins trying to fight off the pandemic but it seems like that is going to be the case. It was reported earlier today of course today being friday morning. That miami dolphins assistant coach tested positive for covid nineteen who immediately quarantined himself and is in the nfl protocol. The the dolphins have said they're continue to follow guidelines which includes contact tracing work with nfl The team doctors and the staff Forest said i think was even just a few minutes ago to twenty. Yeah on friday that the team still did plan to file tears zone today and that for is also added. We wouldn't fly if we thought there'd be any situation where we thought there would be an outbreak if we do fly because we feel we have contained it. That's pretty much. How feeling right now josh. In a year in in what's going to was my second year of uncertainty regarding the covid nineteen pandemic. It seems like the dolphins. I would say their locker out but but they're now involved in that uncertainty especially in some for sunday's game they are and i think it's telling him we're gonna find out a little bit here. If the dolphins do travel west than you would think all systems are go. It sounds like they're doing everything by the book Devante parker mentioned the players weren't even in the facilities today so they're taking this one hundred percent taken full caution a quote from omar killer that came from From from six. I think we all knew something eventually going to happen at some point. We knew it wasn't going to be a perfect season. I think the league has done a good job with their protocols and keeping the health of everyone at the top of their list again. Those from my jesse so You know it does suck. But i think we all kinda solace in this you know a bumpy twenty twenty season and again like you said with the weather changing. No flu season coming back. We didn't know how this was going to happen ahead. Dolphins assistant coach. We will see if they fly but as of now all systems are go for the four twenty five pm eastern start against arizona cardinals and i mean this is a very good football team. I mean we may as well just dive right into it. I mean there's a lot to talk about. We have injury news here Biggest thing is my house gas and we know he's gonna be out a few weeks he was placed on. I r with injury. A lot of us you know. We've been talking about map to for the entire podcast year. You know we want to see him. Get more touches. Unfortunately i don't think he you know i don't know if he was part of that walks through our against an injury portal Later today but We thought he was going to be the guy that takes over. It sounds like it might finally be jordan howard season and now i wanna get your thoughts on that because he joked about. We joked about it. A couple of podcasts. Go and i mean. I think we've pretty damn good all season long. I mean again. I don't want to. We've been pretty awesome and this goes back to that book club that we started a man. Tell me how you're feeling because it is. George eight could very well be jordan howard season. And you've been calling for that for for quite some time. It's it's been kind of a strange situation for the miami dolphins at running back. I think every other position at least for the most part has played out pretty much how we expected it whether it's Byron jones exhibit howard. Being the one or two a quarterback shaq lawson emmanuel ogbah solidified himself on the defensive end. But they're running back situation display. How everybody in the preseason or lack thereof and even before then jordan howard napb brita where the one a and one b until that game against new england. When we're all kind of stick our heads out the window wondering what what is happening here. You know it was myles. Gaskin getting all the carries but now for just the way the tables have turned out. I mean i kind of joked about it. And i didn't think this was going to be the way it would happen but i mean you hear all the time that in the national football league injuries provide opportunities and i know that's really how you don't wanna look at things. I mean just to kind of keep things in perspective. The brita injuries considered minor. I don't see this lasting more than just the week myles gaskin shirley be out a few weeks. But i mean. There's a good chance that jordan howard. If he plays like the way you know he is certainly capable of the guy who was certainly been a consistent threat for both philadelphia. And i'm blanking the bears. yes the bay chicago bears. I mean if you plays like that. All of a sudden the consistency of the miami dolphins offense especially with a rookie quarterback under center or you know three feet behind center in today's nfl up. I mean that is such a great tool to have. And you know it's easier said than done matt brita Jordan how it has not looked good but you know it seems like that To two year ten million dollar contracts going to get another opportunity to look like it might be worth something and you know. It's funny that. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. But but you posted that picture of jordan howard saying next the two and it seemed like especially in a running back room. I mean everybody's gonna get touches at some point. I'm not going to sit here. And say that everyone as someone who picked up jordan howard in every league and i'm up before supply them with you know The bi weeks for philadelphia and cincinnati. Things like that. But i mean i'm not coming out of your state is going gonna be great. I think patrick laird could be involved. I could see patrick laird. Being the guy who gets two catches for eight yards and two maybe the receiver version of what jordan howard stats have looked like on the season. Where he's what nine for fourteen yards and three touchdowns or something ridiculous like that. But there's an opportunity here. And just because jordan howard your third rhinebeck and just because the dolphins down to running backs. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a bad player Side i'm not gonna say he's going to be a good player but i very interested in seeing opportunity and seeing letting him get the opportunity. I'm mean he's opportunity squared. I guess to get some carries to. Hey you got something one plate. We're going to give it to you. Four more times in the next eight or eight plays seven. Plays something like that and lets you do. Can you break one. Because that's been the biggest weakness on this miami dolphins Offense specifically in the running back unit is they don't have any big plays. I mean myles. Gaskin is struggled. He is a very consistent player. We know what he is capable of a man. I think he might have one of the few long places the season for the miami dolphins at twenty two yards on a screen pass. Obviously i think that's changing the last of weeks but that certainly six at my head but there is an opportunity here. I mean this is a chance jordan howard to prove like. Hey i'm a veteran. I deserve this contract. I'm ready to show that. I'm not going to come off the field again. I think one thing that we've seen with the miami dolphins. What every position is they allow those players to go out there and if they make the most of their opportunities they give them more of those and that's why we've seen so much myles gaskin. I mean they brought jordan howard here you know. They passed on a melvin gordon. They pass on a toddler. They they went after jordan. Howard for a reason so you you know. I been hard on jordan howard. I may joke so you know. I posted a scooby doo medium. That you know he's reveal and who's underneath the hood and there it is it's jordan it's actually kalem balaj hard on but how many opportunities did you get other than week. One to be completely honest with the goal line opportunities and at that point. Sorry excuse me once. Join houge checks into the game you pretty much know. It's run in the defense as preparing like that. So we'll we'll see what he can do. He's going to get those opportunities. A myles gaskin teammate. In college salvant. Amata guy that the dolphins brought in it looks like he's always i. I pronounce right. He's looks like he's going to get some carries. And you also mentioned. Patrick laird and you know. The dolphins and a young quarterback like to a lot of that offense is going to rely on that success of that run game. And you know we'll talk about how they're going to match up their zone here but a lot of that run games gonna come down to how that offense. It's a lime plays and it does sound like the dolphins are going to get you know austin jackson back this week I have the perry jackson. Tweet up here He said barry jackson yet. You posted barry boehm a person who has been a dolphins practice at austin. Jackson looks physically ready to return sunday and get at least some plain time. We'll see if the team goes ahead with that. Move if they do likely Would cause lots of owen shuffling. So we'll see how it shapes up. I mean ultimately dolphins plans. Obviously austin jackson robert hunt salman kindling out there. I mean those those young guys. There's a reason they drafted him. But can you really move. Jesse davis out of the lineup. With the way he's playing. I don't know you can We do god remember early on. You know big. Bob hunt him out there and some brought in extra offensive linemen brought in a lot more that meet up front. Is that not the perfect. Way to kind of trickle austin jackson into the lineup. See if he's really ready to go and again contain some of that Arizona pass rush But but yeah. I think the dolphins out there they're going to have to success in l. Takes like you said. Is that one play jordan howard until you know that. Rpo and two of you know makes defender kinda look up. Or you know buckle his foot and you know next thing breaking off a big game like we've seen in due time and time again. I mean this guy has had a successful career just because he hasn't with the dolphins doesn't mean he can't he's going to get the opportunity you know it's time for him to show why he did that contract from the dolphins made you just read my tweet today you because i was Something i was going to kinda lean on where When when they said some capacity that screams the big bob front row from earlier in the season. Where the dolphins did you six offensive linemen quite a bit. And hey if you want to the offensive linemen i think jordan howard the guy you want to have behind that unit and that just kinda makes a lot of sense to me and you know just something i do want to bring up and i meant to talk about it earlier in the week on our previous show is i mean i'm not doubting any of the picks not gonna come out here and say pick was good at pickups bad. I mean. i know people have already done that. And that's a little bill bananas to me. And i'm a big big by both fan. But i mean when we're talking about this running back room and i don't even have to tell you this. I'm preaching to the choir but i mean. Jj dom looked awesome last week with those fifteen touches for one hundred thirteen yards against the very good steelers defense in the elements. I mean wild watching that game. All i could think about is man you know you had howard kinda struggled at the beginning. You still give him more chances because he's an older guy but then you have. Jk dobbins come in with tour and just the on fire. I thought that would have been the coolest thing ever. But obviously there's a trickle down effect of while robert would it be playing right. Tackle would have been there yada yada yada. But what did you see. Jk dobbins and we're on this because it's the nfl ends. But i mean he will so cool aqua and orange. yeah he would've been. It's something that. I kind of think about almost daily basis. Because i mean you know you can sit here and you can say You know okay. What whatever it's not that big of a deal. This rookie class is going to be great with travis Honestly believe is better than dobbins. But did you see on chances. Dolphins truly had getting dobbins. If they liked him you know. They rushed him in blida team facilities right before the deadline You know and. I don't know the Brian floors would ultimately got re kwan. Davies you know. At what point would they take in. Jk dobbins i mean. There's a ton of question marks around. But yeah i mean if you came in here they would all absolutely be awesome but the dolphins are setting themselves up to get that young. You know explosive playmaking running back next year. Or that's not a harris with it's whether that trouble hubbard. I mean journey brown. There's some good running back next year. But i would love to see. Jk dobbins people especially Front brian burns. He's going to hate me. Continue to harp on that but yeah he would absolutely add a different dynamic to the dolphins offense and it's weird. I mean the trade deadline was this week in. The dolphins made some moves. But i think it's safe to say and we'll talk about him now. I don't think any of them are going to have any impact on this week. And that's why we didn't really lead with the stop. But i mean the dolphins have been very very busy this week. We're talking about doing a show wednesday. Maybe thursday just to kind of get our preview out there. Uh seeing that both of us have had kind of a busy week but i mean we hit the nail on the head of your josh. Because you know. I it seems like antonio calloway the the thirty or wide receiver who's been suspended is looking to be acted this year He's played twenty games in his career. Forty-three receptions on sunday. Nine targets offer five touchdowns now. He hasn't been able to practice with the team. He hasn't able to develop chemistry. I mean i think it's safe to say we don't even know if he's ever going to see author on his way. But you know they activated him. Which is again you. Think about these diamonds in the rough. You're looking for players. Who can just play. And then after they're better than just capable of playing capable of catching passes and doing their job even better but the dolphins traded is afford for seventh round pick. He really wasn't getting a lot of volume in this offense. We've seen the struggles that press. The williams has had a devante. Parker had one catch last week and the dolphins just don't seem to have that volume guy that no matter what in every down the jarvis landry you know he's going to catch the ball and he's just gonna straight up to his job. I mean i guess we could argue. that landry. didn't always do that with the penalties and issues he had but i mean i think that's kind of what the dolphins are looking for and so they traded away is they afford to give other guys. Some opportunities on twenty. Calloway might become one of them and then the other they made Sent probably it's going to be even the same pick that they got from the patriots to the kansas city chiefs for deondraye washington. Who really are running back. He spent time. he's he was in kansas city. This year He was oakland in the past. It's his fifth year in the nfl. He can run the football but he's really more of a guy who you want on passing downs whether it's pass blocker or out at excuse me out on the open. Space are catching the ball. But i mean these are two moves at the dolphins have made Isaiah ford had a really heartfelt message. The miami dolphins fan any did have moments especially last season for the team. You've been a big fan of them all time. I kind of been wobbling with them. Hoping he'd grasp a chance to really prove himself. But i mean he really didn't have that one treat that really made out newscast his he's the myles gaskin of wide receivers and that shouldn't be a bad thing. These guys who are playing professional football. They're incredibly talented. But they just don't have that game changing ability or talent that can really make defenses. Have to focus on you. Yeah i was a big fan of as if ford again. I wrote an article with our good pal sutton early on in the draft process. You know about what we thought of it skill said i wish him all look. It sucks that he went to the patriots move that they saw because not only did. He not fit their long-term plan. But they wanna get antonio involved you know it makes perfect sense and i'm looking at callaway. you know. This is a guy who kind of to me reminds you that josh gordon's situation. Where every year you know you just kind of thing okay. The sky gets the right opportunity. Gets its mindset. You know. he's go out there and make plays calloway. Hasn't been in the same type of trouble for the same amount of time. But he he's definitely had those off the field issues but to me still twenty three years old. You know he had a stint in the xfl he was an explosives. Playmaker there for a little bit with baker mayfield. The browns i believe he had five touchdowns in his career. You know so. This is a player that could add a jolt to this offense here. Forty three five hundred. Eighty six yards and five touchdowns and two thousand eighteen but again he's twenty three years old hometown. Miami no and you just look at. The dolphins have done over the years. And you mentioned air rose. You mentioned this axiom. We mentioned in previous podcast. They get these players opportunities to make the most of them and then they reward them. You know adam shaheen new contract. And i joked about i think at five receptions all year mean there is a chance of calvi can come in here. You definitely got temporary expectations because you know a lot of dolphin fans were saying. This is why ford's gone and maybe it is but that same day for press conference. Saint is not even seen. Calloway cleats yet. So let's pump the brakes on that washington again. This is a player. Like you said it's probably better suited for the passing game. But he has some of those similar skills like myles gaskin so we'll see what type role he has been again. I don't think see much of him this week. I think as far as running backs are concerned You know we kind of touched on. Who those are gonna be howard. We'll see a little bit on modern then patrick laird. I do have to throw this out there because you mentioned the afford. I think one of the coolest things malcolm perry said. And that's a guy who we may see him a bigger role for this week He said he was asked which. Nfl receivers have you studied in idolize and he said i'm too focused on what the dolphins have asked me to do. But i think for was a great role model. I try to model my preparation and practice habits after him. He someone i look up to in this league so Know i think they afford meant more to some of the fans and maybe the his teammates than he did others. And we've heard time and time again. This might be the smartest receiver in the room. You saw ryan fitzpatrick hurt. He trimmed his beard and he was wearing those shorts to kind of pay homage to ties. Ahah ford so it's going to suck to see him go again. Especially 'cause his new england but the dolphins have speed. It's time for them to adapt. And you know. That's what this offense is all about. It's about two quick timing routes. It's about you know getting juki grant to get that separation at some of these other guys aren't getting allow compared to use his quick quayle to get some of those opportunities limp out in again until calloway so you can see the way. This dolphins offense is slowly starting to form. You know kind of change now that we're midway through the year now. That too is involved. We'll see if it all comes together but you know there's a lot of uncertainties and again it's come together because you're not gonna be able to go out there and go twelve twenty twelve twenty three for ninety three yards and a touchdown against cuyler murray. No she's not going to work out that way so I'm excited for this match up. And i guess that's the perfect almost segue kind of bring up here. Is i mean you mentioned no yet and i firmly believe he's going to get more involved. It's no surprise. we saw him Start to get some snaps whether it's wildcat whether it's the perception to win to got involved in and lynn bowden's another guy after trading a draft pick forum really hope he continues to develop but i mean one just watching the games. I don't really have a bunch of film or anything to Bring up so like. I said this could be a dart at the wall. Some sort of. I wanna see. Maybe mac hons get an opportunity at wide receiver. A we mentioned before the season that he kind of fit that allen burns and albert wilson rolled sock receiver guy. The dolphins didn't really need. And then you see guys elber wilson. Parents choose to sit out the season which is certainly understandable. But i mean that opened up opportunities for different guys in size airport. Get chances we. We're gonna see malcolm. Perry get more chances. But in that meantime as he's rookies develop especially a rookie seven current pick of rookie. Four-grand pick look for here because he is someone who kind of fits that brian for his mantra of you're gonna work you're going to work and then you're going to get rewarded for it. He is someone who i always see flying down the field and special teams someone. I always see celebrating on the sidelines. I think matt collins could get an opportunity. This is another thing You know. I like to joke. Two-mile join howard things whatnot. I could certainly see this. Being something. that's recorded. Sent back to me with his stat. Line of across the board but i think he is starting to fit that mantra that brian flores was looking for and before we start to dive into our cardinals dolphin preview. I didn't want to bring up. I think he will get legitimate opportunity. I think that's worth watching Especially someone who has probably been practicing with the second and third strings blakely said about welcome perry. Who's been dealing with two of vegetables. 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There's a little something for everyone on the sp nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode. We mentioned at the top of the show Dolphins dealing with a little copay nineteenth scare right now. Everything seems to be on track to happen. This weekend. Between the miami dolphins at the arizona cardinals. The dolphins enter with the record of foreign three are and are given four point. Five points by vegas against the cardinals who are currently five two in coming off the bye week josh. We've had these danes over the last few years. I mean where the dolphins could really show that they belong. There was a game in new england last year a couple years ago they were there three and our must have been what two thousand seventeen three going into stopped like thirty seven in new england. Things like that. And i'm not saying this will certainly derail the season or anything like this but last week was a paternity for the dolphins approve. Hey we kind of belong. And they showed that they showed that against san francisco. And this. I mean we just kind of raising the bar on them. But that's the way it should be. If you want to be a playoff team you have to meet all these challenges and men. This seems like such an exciting game. And i'm throwing a fit because it's only been given to six percent of the country But i one thing. I want to add before we get into our three keys. Not one person on. Nfl dot com. Pick the dolphins to win. Which is really a shocker. I like kind of an underdog. Mantra i mean. A lot of people. Spend that to say all but just nobody likes the dolphins. The media hates the dolphins. I refuse to go that far. I strongly disagree with that. I mean the cardinals are five into their home. Coming off the bye and more importantly they just knocked undefeated seahawks something. The dolphins failed to do at home. Yeah absolutely. I think it's going to be exciting to see. Just kinda all takes fold here because this is a very good dolphins team. You mentioned it. You want to see consistency out of them. What they did last week was kind of you know i mean. They went out there at nine to snaps on defense and they still ended up coming out of that game with a pretty big lead. I mean you're not gonna be able to do that every week. This dolphins teams playing awesome. And you know we're just go diving or three keys because to me the biggest thing about this game and it just dates back. You know years and it's not the same dolphins team that let thad lewis alleged. Gino smith ej manual. You know run rapid on them but at the end of the day you know column Jit mvp candidate. And the dolphins absolutely have to figure out a way to stop that arizona cardinals rushing tack. And it's funny because i had the stats here. Collar murray has carried the football sixty five times this year. For four hundred. Thirty seven thousand seven touchdowns. Myles gaskin is the dolphins leading rusher. And he's three hundred. Eighty seven yards and three touchdowns. And i know. You can't compare quarterback running the football to a running back but do four hundred and thirty seven yards and seven touchdowns and they played. What seven games i mean. They struggled with josh allen. You know this guy is a better. You know josh allen has at rocket armed but would you not agree column more accurate you know. He's more dangerous with the ball in his hand. This is going to be a true test to what this defense is capable of. Because last week was awesome. You love to see him do it. But they rattled. Jared goff i mean you can rattle a murder. You've seen it before he he's not prone to making errors. But i mean this guy is as i as dynamic players. We've seen you know you can sit there and you can compare him to lamar jackson. I mean i think he's a better passer than the more and you know. I almost think you might be better running the football. I mean this guy is probably the most explosive player that i can remember watching. Play football since you know like michael vick and i. It's just truly exciting and again you can't look at what the dolphins in the past how they struggled with insert you know insert quarterback's name here. Who played in buffalo. Who play the jets. No whatever running quarterback might have finished the dolphins. I struggled against him. I think that this is going to be a true test. And i just don't know who they're going to have that's going to be able to sit there and own in and you know kind of spy and and make sure that collar can't get out there. 'cause i have some names listed here and i'll let you jump in and give your thoughts. But can they let cobb in do it can let van ginkel. You know jerome. Baker len roberts to me. I think the biggest guy that you gotta consider your is brandon jones. He's that player that you've seen flying all over the field you know he can cover running backs out of the backfield and he's kind of that. Chesapeake that you use any situations you know. He gets down on the box and dozens gritty. Things that make fitzpatrick wouldn't do so. I think we might see a little bit more brand jones this week but now that i sat here and i focused mostly on color. Murray one eight one you tell me what you think about. The kernels rushing attack. Yeah i mean you're certainly right. I think the biggest the biggest. I and we haven't as our laskey here but it certainly just stopping that big play. I mean the dolphins have done an incredibly jot incredible job of that the season you just do not see guys running wild on the scene and i love you. Bring up the possibility of brandon jones There's a reason why however was the first overall pick in the draft. There's a reason why the cardinals after drafting a quarterback in the first round did it again the following year. he's awesome he is a treat to watch I saw post by the car on twitter and other day. And if you didn't see it you should certainly check it out. It's it's calorie. Murray and to Basically Mashed up with rocket power characters. And that just kind. What is these guys. Are riding around on skateboards just with their quickness. And you know i would idea brenton jones. I think that's really what's going to go down to. I'm not sure if the dolphins are gonna quote unquote use a spy as much as they're going to be focused on containing and that is why i think we should slide into second key here and that is containing the cardinals rushing attack cardinals. Everything five point two yards per carry. That's the second best in the league. Our good friend. Kenyan drake Who told grog you don't have. The angle is questionable. But it looks like chase as been going to be the guy The thing about Despite the fact that he's averaging four point yard four point nine yards per carry which is twenty league is the fact that he hasn't had twenty opportunities game right. The second he does that. I feel those numbers will slowly start to crawl back down right. Now is averaging over sixty yards per game on the ground this season. But i want to bring up with the dolphins coaching staff Senate and that's you. Don't get three yards and you looking someone like landon. Roberts has been awesome. You see the impact of someone. Like calvin who is always setting the edge. He is reading plays so incredibly well. And i haven't seen that from dolphins linebacker and so so why it is so cool to see a free agent signing especially at linebacker pan out in the way of edna has at least as early knock on wood. I don't want to jinx it but koehler murray has five runs of twenty plus years. Chase edmonds has three. We cannot let the league's second-best running attack get gain big gains over and over and don't hear what i'm not saying there. The cardinals are an explosive offense under cliff. Kingsbury they're going to have big plates. The difference though is can you shorten the field on them. You see what the dolphins defense being the allowing the fewest points per game. How well they can control those last twenty yards before entering the end zone. We can't have a guy breaking loose. For that eighty yard touchdown like we saw last season. The dolphins have done such a great job of doing that this year. Where they're gonna force you to have seven or eight plays that each gained ten yards without making a mistake without having false without doing any of these things and that's why i'm kind of feeling pretty good about the dolphins opportunities in this. Yes it's homer heche. But i don't think any of us here are wanting to say that the dolphins are gonna lose the dolphins zero point going to be and this is kind of the path to take. I love to see a landon roberts. The way brian floor is scheming. These blitzes if you haven't seen the Inside the inside the nfl. Or what is it josh posted yesterday. I retweeted it saying that it was cool. It was just basically a detailed look at the game. And they were highlight the game last week against the rams and were highlighting the cover zero that brian four issues. But i mean if you're telling me that the dolphins are planning to find a way to get into the backfield And landed roberts laya clean hit on collar. Murray to make him second. Guess himself even for half a second for the rest of the game. I mean i think that could go so far for being the difference maker. Because murray's son i mean you're everything works until you get punched the mouth and the one guy i don't want to be punching someone in the mouth end and roberts. Yeah we i mean. We saw him punch two guys in mouth. Yeah this anytime. He was like a wrecking ball. I mean it was like some juggernauts jeffrey. Just like running through walls. You know repeatedly you put You know it's going to be a true test for the dolphins. It'll be fun to see you know how they match up Mention chase edmonds. It's unfortunately probably are not going to see a kenyan drake. I guess you know. There's still chance he might play. But it seems like it's gonna be chase edmonds time again. You mentioned in being explosive. Playmaker him colin murray. I think you saw the recipe last week. And we know. Jared goff doesn't have some of those same intangibles some of those same traits as a column murray especially in the row as impacts are run game but the dolphins got to continue to do that. They've got to use that zero scheme up at that line. And they got to confuse the crap out of these young quarterbacks. Because you know. I good as marie is like you said when you get punched in the mouth you know everything changes so the dolphins gotta go out there they got. They got a punch carla. Marie in the mouth. And you know we mentioned only half of that offense you mentioned you. Stop the big play by starting with the wrong. But then we got to look at their wide receivers and this goes into just how explosive esteem is deandre hopkins in my opinion and i've said it on previous shows i've said on twitter upset it wherever i've had a chance to say deandre hopkins in my opinion is probably the best wide receiver in football this year. Already as fifty seven receptions for seven hundred and four yards and three touchdowns obviously expecting on touchdowns but meant seven hundred and four yards and again we are. We are seven games into the season. Then christian kirk eighteen receptions two hundred and seventy seven yards an explosive player. They move all over the offense. He has five touchdowns and then the ageless. Wonder i mean larry fitzgerald's gonna go down as one of the greatest receivers of all time. So i mean we know. The dolphins secondary is their strong suit. But how do you match this thing up here and i. I kinda sat here. And i tried to break it down. And we mentioned brandon jones. You know being used a little bit more to kind of take away. Collar murray's legs. But how do you see these. These matchup shaping up. I think exhibiting howard for as much as i like byron jones now mitt. I've said time and time again. I think byron jones is probably the best player on this entire football team From a skill standpoint but from exit absolutely incredible you know except for that one game where i think he got beat up and you know they are playing mostly just known coverage and you know. There's there's little variables here. And they're examining. How playing out of his mind and andre hopkins. I mean you could sit there and you could probably debate both on whether you want to put byron jones over there or they're not you wanna put exuding howard hopkins but You know how. How are you going to match these. These corners in these receivers. Because that's the true testament. Here that's gonna be the true test. Is you know you can figure out ways to stop column or you can figure out ways to stop this run game. But if you let column or go out there and you loud. The andre hopkins tino work these defensive backs and just do with the andrea hopkins does because like you said they're going to get those big plays gender gonna make those big plays but it's containing those at spending breaking. How're the dolphins gonna match-up against that dynamic trio of arizona karnal wide receivers. I think the key of it and our third key is limited mistakes. I think when you look at what the dolphins are putting together here and you look at the game plan different things. You want an attack. I mean deandre hopkins is awesome. And nobody's gonna say that. But i will argue that. I think davante adams is the best receiver in the nfl But i mean. That's i mean we're arguing when a and one b. There's really no point and really going tom. Thomas private laws in there too. But you need to play to be able to be you know. It's true but something that really stood out to. Me is mind boggling to me and i think this is something. The dolphins can certainly take advantage of is put the cardinals offense in awkward situations. Make them uncomfortable and yes you can do that by you. Know having a landon. Roberts fly up the middle and smash calgary another way you can do. That is the fact that the cardinals are averaging e penalties per game the worst. Total in the league. If you want to have this miami dolphins defense get off the field. Get them in. A i in twenty. They're going to try to dissipate little yards. And then you're going to get to that third and eight where you can really execute. You can just make that one. Stop and get off the field. I think that it's going to be the biggest thing here. Is this trend of arizona. And i kinda look into a little more in the sense of this isn't just there's an outlier game where they had you know twenty five penalties or something insane like that one game consistently. They're averaging seven to eight penalties a game and that's kind of you know we talk about you know. Brian four is being in the discussion. For as one of the best coaches in the league this year. A big reason that is because his team doesn't commit penalties. Despite how young. They are just kind of kind of my inbox to really think about how the dolphins have had these penalties. They're doing they're getting called for about four point. Four pounds a game. New england first at two point nine up and the dolphins are kind of starting to bump up little bit averaging five per game. But that's kind of the difference. I see between these two games. The team excuse me. They're both very young. They're both trending in the right direction. But it's the dolphins really wanna make a difference is limiting those mistakes. you cannot get those preset penalties. You can't get called for defensive holding on third down because the cardinals based on what we've seen through them for seven games. I don't know if this is something you fix in the by leak is certain work in laremy. Tunsil stand by me is limiting those mental errors. The holds and things like that that seems like it is a very clear advantage for the miami dolphins in terms of. Hey those ten to fifteen yard plays that happened inbetween play in between saps. I guess i should say can really be the difference between these two games because between these two teams. Excuse me because. I just think they match up so well doing i mean we're sitting here and we're we're praising how this is going to be a match up here there. We mentioned you know that miami dolphins offensive line and you're mentioning not needing to make mistakes. You know again. This is to a second game you know. This is some of these younger players. you know. They've been around the league that long you know. They're going up against a pretty good defensive unit. We got jordan phillips. He's common for revenge. I mean this guy's coming for blood. And then you gotta sign riddick drafted isaiah simmons. I mean a lot of dolphin fans loved him corey. Peters jordan hicks at linebacker man looking over this list. And then we we talk about the dolphins receivers. You know who's going to step up and who's going to make those plays you. Got patrick peterson on the other side. You know you got fucking you got dre kirkpatrick and then at safety got buddha baker. I mean it's going to be a match up a little way. These teams matchup because if both teams guy those skill players are both teams does defense to counter that. It's going to be a matchup between you. Know one of the young and then bright upcoming offense at mines against one of what we've already seen as being one of the best defensive coaches football. So how are these two teams going to play. You know it's going to be awesome to watch and i'm excited. I hope everything works out. I hope this game moves on as as we expect because this is going to be. You know you sit here joke but Are they gonna be posted this rocket power. You know that rocket power picture comes superbowl time when these two teams play again. I'm going to say this year. Nobody's allowed to steal it. Josh i need you to get that rocket power picture. We'll send it to you and we just need a thorough crime jordan on komo Murray so our listeners know the second the dolphins win this game. We're posting that picture. Because i think that's gonna be larry. I just thought of that one on the spot. Yup you said from your mouth. To god's ears i'll do it. I think kind kinda key here too. In terms of limiting mistakes you met the dolphins offensive line and were half an hour to this podcast and we have barely mentioned to a tug of law. I think we all need to just chill in terms of what he is doing. What the process is is this attending try out. Are the dolphins. Good draft a quarterback. Just kinda go week by week here and really just let things play out for a bit if you ever paid attention. Rookie quarterback struggle. It is no surprise there. And i think he's only going to get more comfortable with those balls. We saw flutter aren't going to happen throughout the year. I it's just kind of one of those you've got to trust the process. I read some statistics based on the cardinals secondary where i don't think they're necessarily as good as the names really come out to be. I think patrick. Peterson is having a comeback year in the sense but i don't think he's the player that was dominant for seven eight years throughout the nfl of drake. Your patrick i think is a week number two and preston williams who really needs to make a case of i belong on the team. I belong on this roster. Hey please after wide receiver in the first round. This is a great opportunity for him to kind of put him on ice and really control a football game and that's what we saw early last year before he suffered an injury is principally m's ability to kind of move the sticks kinda lik devante. Parker can do at times where you know. The ball's gonna come to him. That doesn't matter you don't we espy devante parker. Despite the one catch you knew it was going to be a say over the middle to him he got popped right in the head and he's still popped up with the football those type of things we can see We saw it. I believe it was against jacksonville. Where the dolphins strength power at wide receiver just was too much for that secondary of jacksonville. I think this needs to be an opportunity. Where those guys. The height the strength. All those things that we love about this. You didn't needs to come into fruition this week. Yeah and i think it really doesn't matter preston. One who wants to that author of draft and wires round regardless but as we saw earlier in the year you know remember when he added that drop in the end zone that next week i mean he came and i think he had a touchdown on that same place. So i mean we've seen preston one who's make mistakes against young player. It's going to happen but you wanna see more consistency there but when we have seen those mistakes he's worked on it and that same week you know you've seen it pay dividends so he's going to drop. Footballs you know. That's just part of it but I do think you might have a bounceback game here. You mentioned brian floor. You mentioned this whole ton of thing a have to just throw this out there and again. It's this report continues to come out from. Espn the dolphins are giving to attend game Audition to eventually after a quarterback in two thousand and twenty one and again. There's a lot of games to be played. You can sit here and say that you know with one hundred percents certain that the dolphins want do something if an unforeseen thing came up but he made it a point to come out and just the middle of his press conscious. Say now you mentioned that the quarterback there was a couple of things out there. Let's call it a source close to dolphins thinking they've been saying that we are additioning too and i'm going to tell you about my thinking. We brought to a here because we believe in him the same as all the other draft. We believe in developing players. I think you guys have heard me talk about improvement. Players on a daily basis that would be the opposite and gives somebody ten game audition so You know the report. I think came out of kim day. I forget who re tweeted Tweeted it but Afterwards oh yeah yeah road. Yeah it was. Dolphin fans bullied them to delete it. So you know it's gonna continue to happen and you know to went out there and through thrown yards. No one would say anything but again you know so. We got our three keys of the game. I think we've kind of been getting into a situation where we're kind of repeating the keys but that's what winning football is all about. I mean it isn't having these all star level players. I mean yes. It certainly helps. I mean pro bowl. Sorry but it certainly helps have those guys but what. The brian forest system is proving. Is hey if you come in your job. Somebody's gonna do something that's going to put us in a position to win football games and that is what kind of been clear about this team and both sides of the ball is. Hey you don't make penalties you don't blow your coverage we're going to be just fine and that's just such a relief when we're kind of used to bagging. Can someone please make a play. Everyone is making a play now. Because everybody's simply doing their job and it's cliche corny. But i mean that's just kinda the philosophy the development. It's all been there and let's roll into our key players. I'm gonna go byron jones. I think there's no way. For as those put byron. Jones on the andre hopkins. The way he's played the you know what. If you wanna get really saucy you can put both exhibiting howard and byron jones on the andrea hopkins. Because there's nobody else that receiving unit that scares me christian kirk. No larry fitzgerald now. I think it is going to be byron. Jones's performance i think what we've seen through the first seven games from him and i said about the no i'm going to say about don't do. It is so so exciting to see free. Agent signings big ones just playing the way. They should playing at a level consistent level of excellence. And that's what it's been by jones. Edward been for this defense. And if you don't think he's looking for this opportunity to go against one of the best wide receivers in the league. This is this is going to be about him. I think byron jones if he locks down deondraye hopkins. That's the difference in this game. I mean this is what i'm saying. Now could go if they try to mix things up and having saved howard platinum which would be great too. I mean he's got five interceptions in the last six games. Four interceptions last five. Excuse me and he could've you know had one last week. Data yada yada. But i mean. I think brian jones. This is the week we start talking. We could certainly start talking about the miami defense as this unit that is on another level that hey just because an offense is good. That doesn't mean anything you're coming in. You're coming in and you're trying to throw the team it ain't going to happen. I think that's what buying jones point is going to go out to do this week. And i think he has a good chance of doing it and again. I absolutely love barn jones. And i mean i've no prominent him match up with deandre hopkins. I think a lot of dolphin fans Once the signing went through. I think we all saw the video going around them to matched up against each other. And you know. It was a fight for the ages. I think byron. Joe held his own. So we've seen it before. But i think you know it's going to be a true testament to test to see how the dolphins come out here and schematically work these things. Defensively my key player. And i'm going to take the biggest cop out in the entire world. It's going to be too low. I mean you're not going to go up there and you're not gonna play the or you're not gonna travel west. You're not going to beat the arizona carnivals and i mean we can say you know what players we like which players we don't like this is an explosive offense this is a defense as plenty of pieces to wreak havoc on a young offensive line. And you know it could potentially happen. So i wanna see to go out there and you know. He's going to toe for toe. And you mentioned iraq power picture. We continue to do so. I will make sure to have that crying jordan on there but You know i. It's going to be a heavyweight battle and quarterbacks don't go against one another that's stupid even say but these two guys are going to be. No i do believe this is gonna be midwest shootout. You know it's going to be like those old westerns at my dad used to watch where kyla maria to his lawyer. Walk in. you know. They're taking steps opposite each other and they're getting ready to turn around and it's going to be a battle and i think it goes throughout this entire game. You know you can see they just like we this entire time. These two teams matched to great. And it's gonna be exciting. It is going to be a shootout. But again i think to us do more than ninety three yards and a touchdown is go out there. And he's a show those strides at the coaches the fans and you know his peers are expecting from because this is his team in. I'm not going to sit here and put too much stock in how he plays in the second game against arizona team but again you're going to have to do more than two last week and i think personally i mean i've said it before i think murray i put in june or july. I put the ban on column to be league. Mvp i think he's at damn good He he's going to have to go out there and be the to a ton of a low we all know he can be. And i think that is what we're going to see. We're gonna see much more what we've expected to see know as fans and having too high of expectations last week in his debut he's gonna settle down. I think this game plan is going to open up. And you know they're gonna they're gonna go out there and they're going to look at the skies opened up in rain hell out in the zone. And i can't wait to see it happen judge. I got a quick question for you. I think we can agree if the difference between these two teams and this is why. I'm feeling a little confident about the dolphins and you can. Certainly i want you to jump in and correct wrong here. But i think if to a tug of Outperforms the dolphins win the game but if our murray outperforms which you know based on everything we know his administration gave murray in his second year. Obviously one of the better players in the nfl. I think the dolphins silva opportunity to win the game. And that's such a situation. I haven't seen for years because If you've been on dolphins twitter for a very long time quarterback wins and quarterback versus quarterback has always been such a big discussion the ryan tannehill years because for such a long time. We argued that he needs to be the best quarterback on the field but what the dolphins are proving now. They don't need to have the best quarterback view. They need to have the best team. So i liked the to a pick because if he does outperform canterbury. I think there is a zero percent chance that the cardinals win the same man and it really is. It's been since early two thousand since we've seen this dominant defense at the dolphins didn't have to rely on the saints. Yeah yeah you're right special teams it. It truly is a team that and they talk about it. you know. They're going out there and they're playing for one another and it's really what you're seeing But we mentioned data back even before to his debut. We said you know this defense. When they're healthy. This defense is freaking awesome and you get a jet so you were kind of tempering expectations. You wanna see against a real opponent. But now they're going out there and we saw against the rams and were still like okay but let's see what they do this week against carl's you know. I think this defense is awesome. I think like you said if to goes out there and now performs kalamaria. It's a rat. But if for some reason you know to goes out there. And he throws for one. Fifty two hundred zero two touchdown interception or two touchdowns and two interceptions and colin murray. Noah's four touchdowns the dolphins defense from what we've seen it for takeaways last week. You know we we see the music's it could have been six. We opportunities creating on a weekly basis. I mean who knows what can happen. I think you're absolutely right and again You know the more we talk about the work. I get and i just hope it all comes together because again. This is going to be a matchup that we're seeing in a super bowl couple years from now all that would be something. Wasn't it all right. Let's predictions. I think it's pretty obvious what i'm gonna say. But i'd like to add some context to it. Because i think the dolphins a big strain threw them is going to be making the cardinals. One dimensional hopkins awesome awesome. Awesome awesome adding hundred yards per game. He seventy three times a season. The next closest is thirty seven. Their offense doesn't really have another threat. Who can really help. Murray put the team In go Last week i mentioned with the rams how sweet the nfc east and and that's a big reason they have you know four wins or five wins. It was them in the bears. And i'm not going to sit here and save it to discredit the cardinals there. I'm going to say these winslow matter because obviously you can only play. Who's in front of you. Just because the dolphins beat the jets twenty four to nothing. It doesn't discredit him. I mean you win and there you wish it was actually a little higher scoring game but it is what it is at cardinals at five in two. They have two wins against the nfc east and a win against the jets. They lost or are they lost the panthers and in the first three games of the season caliber had four touchdowns to five interceptions against the forty niners The washington football team and the detroit. Lions i mean this. They're an explosive team. But if you're disciplined if you make the cardinals very one dimensional if you take advantage of the penalties which they certainly are capable of doing the kenyan drake not being. They're hurting their depth. That running back their biggest strength. I think is another thing that can certainly help this team. I like the dolphins. Chances i really do. Everyone's kind of you know. I don't think they'll be wrong because there are dolphin fans and this is the kind of stuff wanna here but i mean there just seems like. There's a lot of matches that the dolphins to take of and murray is going to get hit. Don't get me wrong. But it's there's a difference between getting his berry getting four touchdowns. I like the dolphins here. I think it's going to be a little awkward. A little weird look in game. But i like dolphins to come away with this with like. Let's say let's say twenty seven to seventeen type win and arizona. Come back five. And three and brian. Flores is on the math for coach of the year. See you're always going to the dolphins and that's gonna make nuclear. He'll if i ever go against them but again listening to you talk in you know you do this weekend and week out you kinda start to sway me one way or the other so as a fan you know. I feel pretty optimistic about this. I really do like column. I think he's one of the best. Quarterback prospects have come out in years But oftens defense was awesome last year. I don't think that's gonna carry for this week. I think this is going to be again. Shootout between these two I seem to be a little bit closer. And i'm going to say thirty three thirty one sitting here just typing it out trying to figure out how the hell we're gonna get to that. I don't know if the math field goals. And i want to jason. I want to jason sanders Last fuel said he just about every week so this is a week. He's going to finally make that. Tim last To remain perfect and you know to push the dolphins further on their way toward that. Afc division champion that we've seen for so we've lacked for so many years. So we'll we'll see. I think it's gonna be again and two overs. Calorie can't do the quarterback i quarterback thing but it's gonna be those two guys to go out there and offense to a lot of points because i think it's going to be a shootout in the mid west one after meeting relate you guys go and can lead jersey. If you're interested wedding it to smash the subscribe button review let us know about it on twitter. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 1) Will the NFL make major changes to the season?

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 1) Will the NFL make major changes to the season?

"Today new problems need new thinking with. Ibm retailers are turning to the cloud to restock shelves more quickly teachers working with ai to rethink the classroom. Let's put smart to work see how. Ibm helping IBM DOT com slash. Cova nineteen good Tuesday morning. Everybody up your days off to a great start. I am doing just fabulous. How are you? I'm great key always great. Yeah no I'm good man after I saw you a little bit. Tv last night. But I knew it wasn't you guys had a familiar. Look with the Harry face and but other than that. I was good made some Chili Cheese last night for dinner. I had I saw. I don't know I just. I just felt like I needed to eat disgusting. Well but but the funny thing but the funny thing about it wasn't eating disgusting. Wasn't your typical. Tam's number five number four Chili Cheese fries. You know it wasn't. I wasn't getting this. Offer a hoover in in in Vermont or nothing tester. It wasn't one of those deals. This was you know French fries that are made bought chilly from a soup place out here and Westlake that they have Vegan soups and regular soup. So did the Turkey chillier in. I had to Cheddar cheese and our drop some cream on in some little dice little onions and some cherry tomatoes Jalapenos fire. Like I was on there. You had like half the jar it was in you know when you eat something like that. The first year we are on the couch on different direction also case. But you know the difference but I just mentioned to you. That wasn't that that the TAM's and Tom's number five and four Chilean Ted's that wasn't that this is this real chilly with zero. Grease that you may have had a healthy version of that key but when you eat nine hundred Jalapenos on top of anything that that system tends to kick an overdrawn appeals. Appeals wasn't hot. They just gave just enough little. You know just to kick of spice wasn't one of those. Yeah it wasn't one of those deals where I'm sweating see. I did a lot of work yesterday. It was. It was a busy day. I got working on a project told you guys about and so the problem was ringing off the hook while the interviews which is always exciting. It I've worked from home so much over the last ten to fifteen years. So there's just feels natural and I was just like in a nicer groove yesterday and it gets too high a wait until the end of the day. No mid-day Highness so it's focused now is lock Dan and then You know once I got done with my business then I just started with my business. It's funny you say that you've gotten used to this. I sadly I think that's true. I wanted to go back into the studio so badly. But you're right. I mean I don't know if you've gotten you but this is the routine work at your desk at home. You come into wherever it is you guys are doing. This just feels completely normal. I mean I haven't seen the little pictures on my phone in the better part of two months. It just feels like the way we do it interesting that you bring up work home. All those things had a conversation last night after I woke up from NAP. That a buddy of mine is in real estate and we were discussing different different forms from housing apartments to retail to office space. And he was saying how office space over the next couple of years. Probably GonNa take a hit based on us because individuals have gotten accustomed to being at home three months. Now you're at home you're working and you're getting the work done so going into the office and having office space and spending money in doing all of those sorts of things may not be the custom you know custom where people have done the norm where now all of a sudden they realize. Oh I can get everything done right here in my garage and I could save myself X. amount of money every day having a sweet or a space at an office space to walk into just to be able to do it. I always leave to go to lunch. I can always do all sorts things and he was just saying that. He thinks office spaces that he has his office. Buildings suffer because of that. So he's trying to figure out a contingency plan if tournament condos or or whatever well if you look at the industry of newspapers that gave you the indication what was happening anyway you know. Newspapers used to be in these huge grandiose buildings and a lot of them still are but what was happening was quite a few newspapers. I personally have worked at have moved into smaller facilities and they have people working from home journalists working from home and as opposed to having offices in cubicles they have just kinda general meeting areas whenever journalists needed. Meet at the editor's or with layout people. So you know the news. Every industry has been forced the lack of resources to start in that direction and now because of this pandemic other industries are catching up to sort of mindset and it's also generational right the genetic. I think we're the last generation of hold onto this notion that you had to go into work. You know my son well He. He's he's looking at. He's like a child talking about like you got everything you need right here. Why do you need to go into another building to do the same things? That's right there in front of you at the House you know. Maybe at Saturday's maybe it's what we do but I I like seeing you guys. I like seeing the whoever it is. We're doing these shows with and being able interact in all new. Whatever it is nine match not will be fine because of what we do the nature of the business that we do. I'm talking about more. So small their business type situations where you know lawyers or or people that startup companies things of that nature. They'RE GONNA go back into the old way of doing things when they didn't have the money to afford office. Space is so with that in mind with the idea of everything changing a little bit or a lot of bit in the last couple of months the. Nfl is toying with the idea of of changing their schedule. A little bit. You're back to win. They were doing the combine and then all of a sudden the world came to a different place. Everybody goes home. We held a draft remotely and all along the way the NFL was saying look. We're going to hold our our season as scheduled as we typically have in the past the conduct quote from. Nfl Executive Vice President. Jeff Pash was. Were Planning on having a full season in the same way as previous years while now. We're finding out that the schedule makers have a whole bunch of contingency plan. We're supposed to get the schedule. Next month's comes out in early May but now we're looking at something where there's a super bowl that's push all the way back towards the end. February usually comes on that first Sunday in February this would be at the very end of February a regular season. That doesn't start until the middle of October. That's about a month and a half later than usual and then no bye weeks. No pro bowl all sorts of contingencies in place. If in fact we're not quite ready to go back by the fall and and that's fine. They're still jeff passes. It is still going to be a football season. So that's the beauty of it whether you start in September the third week of Second Week of September after Labor Day or you start in October you still get a fool season pro bowl. Whatever they this is a this is quasi an excuse. Even though pro bowl is one of the most watched things during that time. This is a reason to get rid of the pro. Because his flag football and television you talk about the by we can between thereby we can between a waste it really is the it it is really nothing there to pro bowl was there which was horrible to begin with the week before the Super Bowl should actually be the week after the pro after the Super Bowl so people could actually have a vacation and look forward to players playing in the Super Bowl. I can play in the pro bowl like the olden day. So that's that part of it is a plus The Super Bowl being you know role writing after championship. Games is a huge. Plus we went beat the Philadelphia Eagles hopped on a plane and headed to San Diego to play the raiders. And you know we prefer that oppose the sitting around for a whole week of doing nothing and allowing the coaches to screw game plan much. Like the Rams de Sean mcvay allow Extra Week. Seriously he just. There's there's a lot of truth use called it at the time but I think that the NFL has a contingency is really good news. We read that quote from Jeff. Pash Jeff Passan. Who works for? Espn and covers major league baseball. He had a piece up yesterday talking about. Mlb they've got a bunch of contingencies in place to and it seems like baseball is fully expecting to play. They're getting ready to. There's a million questions as to how where why. How many games if they have a season tournament but nobody is preparing? You know what this isn't going to happen I I. I'm I'm as optimistic as I've ever been about having sports by the middle of the summer towards the end of the summer that I've been at any point in this because these leagues every indicator whether it's the science whether it's the cities whether it's easy to stay at home orders. All of these things are leading us to you know what it's going to be different. Maybe it's fan list. Maybe it's a little weird to start with but we're GONNA get all of this stuff you are in in every every state is like you said it's starting to figure things out here in L. Ciganda Lakers are trying to talk with the city figure when they get open their practice facility. So it's it's going in a direction that you know it's been four months. I think since the first case here in the United here in the United States That we know of in. So that's you know it's a little bit of time in terms of every state starting to curve things down or flattened things out. You're starting to see that you're not seeing. We're all of a sudden. La FOR INSTANCE A. We're just on the rise. It's just skyrocketed. The roof like it was in New York. Things are starting to settle down. Even New York to a degree is starting to settle down and this thing is sports in general. It's a money driven BS. Yes in so. There's only so many times I continue to say. Those owners are trying to give the money back to the to the television networks at a television networks on trying to get the money back to the advertisers because think about it the advertisers paying in cycles. They've already paid the networks and networks trying to give that money back to them. So they're going to do whatever they can to push this thing through his with fans fads if it's all in one day. I'm Jim that they grew up in high school and they go figure out how to get on the air yet. They'll they'll figure it out. There's a piece this morning from Dade McMenamin talking about how the Lakers talking to the city about how they might be able to open their facility a little bit ahead of schedule as well and some of the precautions that thought to go through. We'll get into all of that. That's coming up but key you Senate last night. Some very very damaging information about the football program where they are with regards to developing NFL players. That's coming up next on the morning. Show on seven to ten. Espn two two guys from the prestigious historic USC football program to players drafted in the twenty twenty draft. Yet Austin Jackson in the first round yet Michael Pittman in the second round and then after that crickets key how in the world are we at a place where USC one of the most prestigious programs a team that's had as many. I trump pixes anybody. The many as many number one overall picks as anybody is in a position where they're putting two guys a year in the NFL. That's where it is right now in the west coast as a whole as you heard milk hyper junior on our show yesterday. Discussing the future in the draft with me in you guys is that the west coast has been down For a number reasons. But let's take out the west coast. 'cause I don't give a damn about the rest of the programs on the West Coast I care about. Us's program was happening in the situation we saw happen with Paul Hackett Air You know not very many guys get drafted it. In terms of ones that were drafted with John Robinson recruits that had developed enough under John Robertson to kind of you know move forward with their pro careers in in getting drafted. And you look at Clay Hilton and you look at the guys that were drafted prior to him becoming a head coach. Those guys were all linked. Kiffin Steve Sarkisian develop type players. That moved into an area of being able to get drafted under the watch of Hill. This particular class of Michael Pitman's in in in in Austin Jackson's this is quite Helton class and two guys ago Michael. Pittman was going to get drafted. He has triangle numbers. He has highway size and speed. He is has a bloodline. Dna OF NFL. His father is a relentless training working fee. Nom in terms of working on his son so he wasn't going to stop the University of Southern California's football program from stopping itself from being drafted. Austin Jackson is a big tackle tackles or at a premium. They look for them all over the place so he was going to get drafted somewhere outside of that. Those are the only two guys. There aren't very many guys that even got signed if at all undrafted priority free agent and that's because when you look at US's makeup. Is this the same players? Like I said before Stephen Card in all of a sudden forget out play football for whatever reason he's been put in the position that you're not getting the most out of him whether it's the system that you run this one back set that's horrible for running backs or whether it's you just can't deal in know how to you know. Get these guys to perform at a certain level. Now it'll be interesting to see if this trend continues because Brown Brown or Murad. Saint Brown is a guy who's eligible for the draft Tyler Guy who's eligible for the draft. They've got probably another four guys. It'll be eligible for the draft was probably six or seven guys that you anticipate should get drafted next year. Now that doesn't happen. You certainly have to look to see what the Hell is the problem. These are the same guys being recruited men by everybody all over the country. And you look at. I always use Alabama. Because that's just what I do or Clemson whatever you Lsu you look at you look at guys like Tyler for instance that was down to Alabama USC if he'd Gone Alabama Lane kiffin where his career be right. Now would he break? Would he have come out this year with with Jere Judy? And and and Henry Rugs. Would he be in that type of position? You know. It's just it's hard to. It's hard to tell if nausea Harris decide to come to USC and stead Alabama. Would he be considered the number one back in college football next year? Or would he be trying to out how to rotate with four other guys? How much blame do you place on? The school seeming inability to coach these guys up for the next level versus perception that the program as a whole is just down and no one wants to drive down program the draft him from down program. If you can play illegal find me. Think about it. The the the New England patriots took a do from school. I don't even I. Where's that school that drafted this key from in the second round? If you can play they're gonNA find you well. We was when I was when I played Joel Robinson. We Jr we guys drafted. That barely played was being drafted in winning super bowls with teams. I mean you know. He'll matt will had a career of sixteen seventeen years and I do pray at USC. Matt Cassel you know Cholewa. Coles was a backup quarterback they got drafted to the Green Bay packers. I mean it's so let's. Let's put some numbers on this. Because look we fixated obviously on it and for good reason. Usc had the fifty fifth ranked recruiting class last year. Fifty five okay. So that in and of itself is a number but it hasn't always been like that go back to the twenty sixteen recruiting class. Okay this was Klay Houghton's first class. This was health class that was ranked tenth in the country. So they did a good job at your. They drafted or should say they signed kids. That made them the tenth ranked recruiting class. They had fourteen fourteen four and five star recruits. One guy from that class got drafted. Michael Pittman one. So you had fourteen four and five star recruits and one guy gets picked. You Look at Alabama you look at. Lsu You look at Clemson you look at Ohio State. These are the other teams. That are stacking. Their rosters with Ford five-star recruited players. And then you fast forward three or four years and the same fourteen or fifteen kids or not only getting drafted but they're getting drafted high. They're getting drafted in the first second. Third Rounds One guy get drafted from that class. One Guy we can talk about them going eight five. We can talk about them. Not having a an identity we can talk about all these things. The fact of the matter is. They're not doing anything. Well they're not winning on the field. They're not turning these guys into pro players and you just look at it and it's a pretty straight line to win it change. It's a pretty straight line to win. The winning stopped a pretty straight line to win the players in the NFL stopped going there. And it's because of Clayton. It's not complicated. It's not complicated at all. It's it's one of those deals where you're not developing players. I can't think of this guy while lay something. I can't say his last name but he was part of that. Michael Pittman class wildly isn't it may be. It may be his last name. Nigerian kid from Sarah High School who went to Illinois University University Illinois. He transferred and his dude like sixteen sacks this year he never played at USC. He Transfers Illinois in Lovey Smith. Get like sixteen out of it. I'm just like what are we doing? What are we doing because it can't continue? If the more draft picks you have the better your program is going to be. Alabama Alabama traditionally likes their players to stay at school to train for the Combi so the recruits can come in and actually visually see the work that they're putting in in the dreams that they're getting ready to embark on the other hand you can't have recruits and talk about the NFL because the first thing they're going to say is Millan last night. You had a corner drafted. Oh Dory Jackson with doric Jackson wouldn't really drafted as a corner he he. He was drafted as a specialty player. Could do a lot of different things happen to play corner so when you start to look at those things and start to break stuff like that down. That stuff matters to families no question. No we'll circle back to it because those are some numbers and those are only a apart a part of the picture. It's stunning how much it has changed. And in a relatively short period of time don't forget episodes five and six of the last dance coming up on May Third. That's at six o'clock right here on. Espn streaming live on the ESPN APP. And if you're one of the one or two people in America that missed episodes one through four you can stream them now on. Espn on demand and also fund the ESPN APP will Cain of the will. Cain show joins US NEXT ON THE MORNING. Show seven ten. Espn though we're apart these days sharing more so at Geico we'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing. Your savage dance moves. Thanks for sharing your. Diy Haircut fails thanks for sharing your inner lips star. Now it's our turn to share with the Geiko give back the fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers. Because we're committed for the long haul fifteen percent credit last year full policy term visit GEICO DOT com slash. Give back for more INFO and eligibility. You guys all know this next guy. His show comes on at noon right here on seven ten. Espn of course. I talking about will kane joining us here on the sprint people's Hotline Good Morning Well Morning Gentlemen. I'm good. You sound like wake you up. I'm all we talking about him. Three hours ahead of you feel good. You Sleepy Radio Man. You sound like you sleepy. You'll pay cool voice. That's that's just that's man style testosterone. What you're hearing is base. Your problem not used to hear well here based on like you sleep but anyway we'll yeah. I'm here I'm here okay. We've got a little silence going on there. So what did you make of this past? What did you make pass? Nfl draft this week in particular Dallas cowboys in what they selected in holiday selected in terms of getting CD lamb at the receiver position. I loved it I loved it. Everybody seemed to love. The cowboys. Draft is perfect to them. I mean the draft for best player available. I don't think they were ready. They're planning on like they dream. Cd Lamb would be there from what I've heard. They ready told Kayla von Chason. They're taking him seventeen. Just didn't plan on this dream scenario and then it unfolded every round that way for the cowboys they were picking guys valued on boards. Twenty thirty in the case of Bradley and I OUT OF UTAH. One hundred slots after he was expected to go so I love what the cowboys did I would love to put a question. Back to Yuki Sean. Before I do let me say this I actually really like what the rams did too. I saw one draft analyst. Put the RAMS CLASS AT thirty one rank thirty one out of thirty two. I thought those first four picks were really good speaking receivers Van Jefferson out of Florida. Some studies the best route running the entire draft. I thought Tyrrell Burgess that Utah Safety Camakers and throw Louis the Alabama defensive end outside linebacker. I thought that's really good for the rams boys really quick. Go ahead yeah. Dogs ARE GONNA SAY. They did a good job in terms of need. I would think that when you look at when you look at where they picked camakers fit certainly in a replacement mold for Todd. Gurley things they WANNA do from an offense and standpoint get the ball out on the perimeter throw the football detaching. From the line of scrimmage allow him to run routes like receiver as he continues to develop. I'm sure he'll be good. Vance Jefferson I. I like the fact that they took a receiver. I don't necessarily know if this was the right receiver. Given the fact that they lost a speed burner that will lift the coverage now if Jefferson is a guy who is going to understand. Hey I just gotta live coverage I gotta run as fast as I can do all those things. You don't necessarily have to have four three guy. I liked brandin cooks to do that. Is You do your job? It will open up everything for everybody else. So maybe that is the case in terms of taking receiver. I just didn't think that that one was the right one but I'm okay with it. Then in terms of bird just from Utah. He's a freak athlete. He can run. He can do a lot of different things That was certainly a need for them to pick up. Get some debt back in the secondary. So I don't mind. The draft overall. Thought they did a pretty decent job in terms of replacement players. You have a coke. I get really excited and When if you said. I'm going to warn one trait for sure. The base gets a little troublesome every once in a while you really dug here. I've been up base dog. He's talking about. Oh that's so much faith that I don't know I don't know if anybody can use got so much I mean I don't even know what to say about that If I had one trait in a receiver. It's not really a trait. I guess but a skill that I have come to appreciate. Its this this idea that you are the best route. Run that you absolutely can get separation on tight routes. I just saw the affected Amari Cooper whose lauded for that hat on Dak Prescott and understand lifting the top off the defense and stretching it out. I don't think that's who band Jefferson is supposed to be for the rams. I think he's Swat get open underneath find small face separation. The problem with that the wheels they already got a guy now. They talk about that. They don't want to extend robber woods beyond this year in Vance Jeff Van Jefferson is always wanNA calling Vance because my son Van Jefferson is the guy of your air air parent to Rob Woods. And we're talking about a different. We're talking about different language now. We we're looking at it differently but if you if you're asking him to replace. Brandin cooks the and you certainly didn't draft that type of receiver. I got one more question for a guy who had a book who was entitled. Give me the Damn Ball. That's right back kimber. Ride it again and you would read it again. Yeah of course of course relax. Relax here I I'm just a cowboy question and if it's only me being like I love this so much I mean so many weapons cooper Gallup lamb Zeke Pollard. Who's really good football basketball? Meaning if not pay. Did you get your shots? Did you get your touches but it is a little bit that I get my target. The only negative the only thing that I wonder what the cowboys is. Can you throw the ball forty times? Is that how you WANNA use this team? Because you shouldn't be dialing gallop back. He's he's good and Cooper you just paid and now you've got lamb only thing is can you integrate all these weapons in a way to get full value out of all of them? Tj In in in in your question is is spot on because there's a lot of people out there that don't even know sports that think just because you write a book this is just give me. The Damn Ball is that you've got to get the football time which is not true in for CD. Lamb for for Zeke. For Cooper for Gallup is not about. I need to get the football all the time I need to have X. amount of touches issue it's about utilizing a player at the right time guys can be satisfied if coopers and ninety guy. I'm sixty catch guy win. Am I getting sixty targets and my getting sixty talk to make a difference for my team or am I or you just throwing me to football because it's two minutes real and we ain't got nothing else. Going is a is a huge difference on the distribution of the rock. Zeke's get his twenty touches again because that's just what the back is the backs touching back food and touching in the passing. Game Amari Cooper going to get his targets a game because you paid him a bunch of money. He's a really good player. Same thing with Gallup saint thing with cdn. They're not walk. Each one of these players are gonNA walk away with one hundred catches. They're going to get their fair share. Yeah what ends up? Is You hope go. I'll let you travis. I'm sorry but it's probably not the fantasy production. Everybody hopes to what you hope. It turns into his real world wind production. Because it's just put defenses and impossible today as I've always told people I'll tell you travel elsie. I didn't play for fantasy. I play to win games the very quickly. We're having this conversation yesterday. Is Jim Winston? Assuming we get to deal with the saints is Janus Winston the second quarterback in New Orleans or is he third behind tastes mill. Second Second I don't look I tasted hill and I think this is the same for Jalen her to just got drafted eagles. Like that's all promised like we haven't paid some hill in college and in the pros has shown you really nothing to make you believe he's an NFL quarterback. I mean I'm talking. Fifty two would never. I would never accept right now. But Gosh and one to one touchdown interception ratio fifty two percent. But we're told. Hey Sean Payton loved him. And so we're like I must be something right. But the difference is a difference in loving him no Will as a football player in loving him as my backup quarterback. I I tell you what I want you to believe but do I believe it. That's the key and I don't think believes that tastes him. He'll is the number two quarterback in New Orleans. I've been knowing shot is Logan as long as I've been born I've been no shot at ever. Yeah I think you're right and I think James is so to answer your question. I think James is number two and I think it's a perfect situation for Jamie. I talked about this yesterday. Let's take Jason Camp. This is tough man. You can't find a starting job but he's got you just can't find one only one. It's even close. I think is New England. That's the only one where you go It's really the guy 'cause even Jacksonville. If Gartner Minzhu isn't any good then they're planning to be terrible and draft. Trevor Lawrence like you don't need camera James to come in and mess up when you just enough games. You can't draft your future quarterback so if I'm James or Cam I'm looking at really one kind of job at this point and that is can go to one of these places where the starter he's got about a year or two left and I can inherit the job. See The difference for me with that clip. Heat THAT PITTSBURGH NEW ORLEANS TAMPA. Those three places were. Those guys could fit in that situation. And Orleans the best of those. Because Sean Payton will rehabilitate Jameson football reputation. Yes child's GonNa do a good job jam Cam Goals Cam. Injury slowed him down from getting signed. And I keep trying to tell everybody that quarterbacks that guy sign of being signed with people that they know there. There's a history there. Nobody's all of a sudden just taking a quarterback. Did they have no history with where? There's Nick foles in Chicago history with Knack. Whether it's whether it's now a fitzpatrick staying in Miami history with the Miami Dolphins when you start pushing Camden New England. They they talk to him here. We go but that ain't really what they WANNA do. That's not their style. They don't have time to be trying to teach him for the next couple years. How to be their star quarterback? He's got to go to a team much like you saying that has a quarterback that ain't really that good that can be gone in like four or five six games and he could take over for other than that other county. That's true that's the Ryan Tannehill model like what? Where could I go to a place in field? The name that place though. What is that for Cam? Boggling me personally is charged me personally. It would have been charges and it still is the charges even though they drafted Justin. Herbert I would draft Justin Herber to have him sit at three years. Why Cam does his deal in. If it doesn't work out. The analysts are just hurry into the lineup. Let me check in right here will appreciate it. Sorry about that will. Will Kate show coming up at noon will thank you very much appreciate it? Thank you got it all right. L. Top ten coming up next so I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm pretty excited to hear this top ten. Considering the topic of conversation we had during our morning meetings so with that might assume yours. We'll find people. Have you seen the latest from jeopardy circulating on social media right now I have not you have not all right or hey roll it lose for two thousand. Take a look here. As on each September Twenty Fourth Zulu celebrate a holiday that was named in honor of this warrior leader of the early eighteen hundreds Sarah shopping. That's right Travis. Old and you're people talk laughing. I started condos. Have them jams? I can understand why she got confused like this. I can't I can't even laugh man. I can't soccer instead of blue. So there'd be a team like how could you screwed up? I guess right whereas because Senator Cotton so popular which is why I put together by ten list of my favorite shocker con songs because shackled pseudo hits actually make it across the water cons hits coming in at number ten. Let's start off by telling me something good now. This song here has so many legs in large part because is getting commercialized. And it's now become a part of popular phrasing and and it's just part of our coop colloquialism like every some good. Like I want to hear something good but Sean Connery Rufus. They made it fun. The number nine is one of my favorite Dallas. By cog only reason why as low is because it wasn't a monster hit per se but the words and the hurt delivery really really touching sweet and that is loved me still coming in at number eight is so there Steve Wynn. We'll get credit for it. But we all know Suffolk on the one that brought the song home and is higher. Love didn't think we'd get Steve Winwood on the show today. We'll conduct the background vocals. Which is actually what really makes us all hot and sexy coming in number seven. What you're GonNa do for me now. I'M NOT GONNA accuse Janet Jackson still in this. But what have you done for me lately is obviously a derivative of what you do for me. I feel like I walked the house just now. Speaking of speaking of your Aunty is because she's every woman Ki Ki I don't want to. I don't want you to pretend like you don't seem to course you're alone and nobody's looking like. I know a lot of dues loved this song but they don't want to be caught sinking every woman but I mean you're you're by yourself and it's all comes on you it hang out you do the dog on thing man. This song is a Sunday morning. Cleanup Song you clean house sign sauce. Lemon pledge included. Open all the windows and get some fresh air number. Five is ain't nobody. I will admit I probably cooked to this song more than any other circling song. There is because if I'm cooking that means I'm gonNA good mood if I'm in a good mood. I mean I'm thinking about my baby. And suckered eventually finds a way somewhere in the mix coming into number four. This is funky. Earn BE CLASSIC. Do you love what you feel. That's revenue go home and she's got the Apron on property song on hold on. Let me write it down. Much munitions can get. Do you love what you feel. Baby do you feel in you know why because number three is a sweet thing coming in number two? It's the song that a lot of people including key shot did not know that prince wrote and recorded firs. But it's probably one of her most recognizable songs. And that is I feel for you. Now that you said that it has a little prince two it sounds like a song. He's got the prince but a lot of people didn't realize it was pressed now. My number one song is number one for one reason and one reason only when I played in the house if the one second con saw my husband actually knows the words so I figured if it made it through the suburbs of a west of Michigan town. It must've been a really big hit. And that is the all the fire and that ladies and gentlemen favorite Stockcar Song Not Sucking Zulu Travis where they come on the air and they go well. It was a great year in his team. Coming back next year in trying it all over again. Retrospective Co up here. We just highlight clips of US losing in sports reporter. Who was a great year? How could you argue with going? Twenty two and five. I'm just glad L. C. turned a jeopardy shock Zulu meltdown into a top ten list. I liked that a lot a lot. Isaiah Thomas says if he has regrets about what happened against the Bulls Twenty three years ago. Is he telling the truth or CPA? And I said that's next on the morning show at seven ten SPN.

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The Cheesecake Show w/ Dave Sinykin: Jordan Reid & Tommy Kramer

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The Cheesecake Show w/ Dave Sinykin: Jordan Reid & Tommy Kramer

"Dan. Any owner. Does. I was kind of petty mood today. Felt like the right. Vibe for me good morning. Good afternoon. Yes, it is still morning. We like to call it the cheesecake show I'm Dave Syndicate in for J G. who is just here? our conversation on the hall. I guess took a little longer. Sorry I'm a bit late. He told me he wiped down in the studio. I was not going to take his word for it. But. I don't have time to do it now, so I'm just hoping that he took care of business. You watched him. Visual program knocked on excellent. Haven't even taken my notebook out of my bag. I don't think I need it for the opening. Say when I'm very excited to be here for a couple hours. This is the last weekend I'll probably say that. Because we got the draft coming up and that's GONNA. Be The two our conversation, my own little. NFL draft special cheesecake addition. But after this week well next weekend we talk about the draft as it's happening, so that'll be good, but after that it's going to be Kinda Dicey I mean. How much can you break down the last dance for the next month I think you can do it a little, but lots to get to today with the draft just five days away at least the start of it on Thursday night with round one. We will have to. Guests got a late addition to guess today beginning in the next segment. Jordan read the draft network former college quarterback former college quarterback coach puts together an amazing draft guide. Which I purchased and have been. Poring through over the last few days, and I'm excited to bring him on to talk. About how he graded players who might surprise on Thursday night by where they go up or down? maybe his thoughts, and what he thinks are to favorite teams and of course. Including the packers when I say our favorite teams work with me here. Get his thoughts on where they might go what they might be thinking on Thursday. lots of draft conversation the next two segments with Jordan Reed of the draft network very excited about that. Then out of the blue an hour ago I got word. The Tommy Kramer would join me today. If you know it's cats and dogs living together right Viking quarterback cheese had. we will chat I. DO HAVE A. A rather unique Tommy Kramer Story. Believe it or not, which I'll share a bit later. Tk At twelve fifteen talk, a little black quarterbacks, his thoughts cousins quarterbacks to watch. We'll know if he's that. A. Vested in the rookie quarterbacks in this year's crop it if he is the way on that. And between all that we'll take calls what you want to see the Vikes do I'm sure a couple of packer fans sneak on what they like to see Green Bay do. A heard me sauce last segment J. g say he's mock draft out. I. Think I am too, I mean. In this unique circumstance, we find ourselves in with nothing going on in the world of sports for those of us that do love the draft. It has been the ultimate diversion. And nowadays there are a number of. Websites let you simulate the mock draft. I'm sure many of you have done. That are doing it while you listen perhaps, and it's a lot of fun and I've done it about fifty times I. Think I've done. Battle even know how many seven around Packer Mocks I've got my own up at the head cheese. Dot Com, which I do every year. It's exercise in futility because. You don't anticipate trades and green. Bay's always been very active, especially with their first pick to try to acquire additional pick. You just kind of let it play out the way you think it well. And maybe a little bit how you hope it will. and I'll dive into what I think rebate might be thinking. As, we go today, so there will be time for calls for sure how. How excited are you for this draft? I mean you've got the last dance starting tomorrow night the ten hour. Bulls documentary that's GonNa for the next five Sundays capture the sports world attention like no documentary ever has and I. was talking to Trent yesterday about it because I didn't really know the backstory I know that. Former Gopher Andy Thompson Michael's nephew, Claes cousin jin-pyng tweeted out a couple of days ago that it was his brainchild. He kind of got the whole thing role in it's been sitting around for twenty years and I had no idea why, like what? Why would this footage? The NBA entertainment embedded with the Bulls for a season twenty plus years ago. Wise it sitting there. Why? Why is it taking so long? And I. Read The story yesterday that you know it was. Agreed to by Jordan, he would have the last word on this. How look when? It would be released that he hadn't been ready. To release it until now and finding the right people to put it together and the the group of guys and Gals that put this thing together have quite the history as documentarian of sports world. And he trusted them to tell the story and I know we're all just dying to see it, and for the next five Sunday nights. I know I'll be riveted. Many of you will be my son Jackson who he likes to have Debates with his friends, the whole goat thing right I'm Jay Lebron when you're in your teens, it's hard to. Make a case for Jordan. If you've never seen him play in this at least will I think tell the story of what may Jordan Jordan so that's going to be a lot of fun. for me, certainly, and I know for all many of you tomorrow night, when that thing gets underway so the draft Thursday night. It's GonNa be a draft unlike any other in that. You know it's all happening virtually. So, what's it going to be like? I saw a story yesterday. Where they are going to give grace period, if there is some kind of glitch going on like a two teams are trying to top trade ones on the clock and someone can't get through their connection falls. They're going to get some grace time, so this might be. The longest I we've ever seen. Some of that happens I. Really Am curious about how it will be for teams that WanNa talk trade how that communication will be when. You don't have the war room of. You know twenty odd people. Sitting around a big table with all their own equipment taking calls. And that sort of thing. How's IT GONNA? Go I'm sure the figure it out. It's GonNa. Make an interesting I think it'll be at least for me. A little more intriguing, because a lot of times have draft I want more of. The guys kind of batting around who they think's GonNa. Go who should go and a lot of times now it's the interview with the player and some of the reaction. You're not going to get as much of that, I. Don't think as we have in the past i. like the analysis I like after the pick I wanna hear about the kid from a number of people and see the video and watch. Some of the highlights I. Hope we see more of that than. Maybe we've seen in recent years. Also wondering about. Tipping like? Is that going to be a thing some? Special, but twitter, some organizations do not allow their guys to tip the pick some allow it. I haven't heard too much about it. I hate it and I just stay off when it's really easy to just stay on your phone and not. Worry about hearing about the pick beforehand, but I don't like the fact that people tip the pets. I hope that isn't a thing. because you know we're human. We attempted you WanNa see what some of your favorite reporters and other people are thinking about who might go kind of another way to follow the draft, so you know I just hope everybody does their little pinky. Swear where they say. Yeah, we're not GonNa let you know ahead of time. We may know, but you know we're just going to hold it. Let you guys find out what everybody else does. It'll be a different draft than any other for sure. And what's going to happen with distract class. That doesn't get the off season. The the practice start their rookie year. How much will that stunt their development at least for their rookie seasons? If there's no mini camps and Now, who knows what training camp will look like? I mean this draft full of intrigue and Promise Hope. But the reality is allow. These guys may not get as quick start as they would. In a normal year doesn't take away from the fund this weekend, but when the dress the dust settles, and you look next the following week at your draft class and the holes. Your team plugged. You start to. Obama's left tackle. We got you know he's got a lot to learn. And he's only play two years and now suddenly. We're GONNA PLOP down week one. You know going up against the saints or whoever? Without off season, so you might not get the. performance rookie year from some of these guys again not something to worry about this week, but the reality is as strangest things go. This spring and summer. We have no idea how much this draft class will be able to be ready for an NFL season. Alright. From shop he wanted to check in I've got a guest coming on for the next forty five minutes. I don't want to make them whole. We'll get the packer call out of the way early You guys can roll your eyes and all that, but we'll take care of business now and then you won't have to worry about common later day from Schalke Good Morning. How excited are you for the draft? I'm excited and You know like you look at all of mock drafts and stuff and and I'll give you my My my thoughts, we. We need to go off and We need to build her on Rogers and get into weapons that he needs and all use back in the day. When the braves were so good, they only had a few good players. In the reason, they didn't win more championships. was they build around there, but players and as much as I want to the last few years. Defense Defense Defense we gotTA. We gotta go off and Wide Receiver first round. Who that's going to be a good gas and I like to see them go with tight end from Notre Dame in the second round if he's still there and then go out and then go defense after that, but we gotta get Rogers the weapons that he needs now because he doesn't have many years left soggy year. Thoughts on that. Yeah, thanks Dave Yeah I. Mean I think in a perfect world that that'd be my favorite. Take Receiver. At thirty it'll be a guy that fouled. They didn't expect or maybe they have a chance to move up and get one of the elite receivers I'm not putting that out the question that Henry rugs a sitting there in the middle of the first round that they do what they can move up and plug that speed into the packer lineup ca speed is what's really lacking I. Think we look at Green Bay's offense. If they're going to get a receiver early I think it's got be a speed guy whether it's a guy like. Jefferson I don't think we'll be there. Jalen regular is the mocked Green Bay Denzel Men's another guy. That's got the speed. That might intrigued them, but my guess is. If they're sitting. There are thirty and they want to receiver. They'll probably move down into the second round and get to the late thirties and figure. There's still enough guys pittman Brandon. You guys like that might still be there yeah, it's fun to to peg a receiver in for the Green. Bay's first pick, but I'll still be surprised if they do it. I still think offensive tackle to get the Brian Bul Laga of the future They signed Ricky Wagner from the Lions. Take care of the right tackle spot this year, but if they like one of those guys a lot down at the bottom of the first round, I can see them going that route defensive tackle to put somebody next to Kenny Clarke. That can stop the run. They're going to be a couple intriguing names there I think that's more likely as much as I. Want a receiver, I. Think. They'll figure. They can still find a guy. They really like at the bottom of the second round. all right enough packer talk. Lots of Viking coming up We will dive into what the Vikes might do. What would it take to move way up? What would it take to move up a little? Why would they would they consider moving out of one of those picks and acquiring other picks? Who Might the Vikes have on their mind? I've got some ideas Can't wait to dive into the draft with Jordan Reed next draft network. He's got as I mentioned his twenty twenty draft guides, two hundred and fifty pages breaks down zillion players. He's got him. Ranked is top one hundred and he's got some interesting players in spots that you haven't seen so we'll talk about some of the guys. He think might break through and become future pro bowlers what he thinks our favorite teams will do. We've got them for two segments and then the next hour. Tommy Kramer at Twelve fifteen. To Talk Purple to quarterbacks and again lots of time for your calls in between guests today as we talk, NFL draft at something sports related. That's actually happening, and we can talk about it ad nauseam. Why wouldn't we if the cheesecake show? Started on the fan stuck at home. Stick with US listen to Kfi on your smart speaker. Station I heart radio just another way to listen to slash rules. Shown. Doc. Review Eleven eighteen on a Sunday morning. Dave Syndicate in J G, who filled in for Sunday sermons nine to eleven. That'll be downloadable if you missed any of it I'm sure if not already very soon I'm in for him. We call it the cheesecake show I'm here to one. It's an NFL draft special today, because why wouldn't it be and very happy to welcome gas for the next couple of segments? He is Jordan Reed of the draft network, former college quarterback, former college bow, quarterback coach, who is now a draft express guide is twenty twenty draft guide is available. We'll talk about it as we welcome him in. Good Morning Jordan thanks so much for spending some time with us today. Morning, day thanks for having me honest pleasure beanie. Yeah, I can't think of any more fun way to spend the next a half hour and change at the talk to somebody who lives and breathes this. How did you get into this line of work after? Being a player and a coach. What what shifted you in this direction? So it's a long story, and I'll just summed it up a little bit, so I went to a small school called. Central University, I'm sure everybody in the world has heard of Duke before about five minutes away and dermal line, so it was a three year starting quarterback there, and after that and twenty thirteen I went right into coaching as a graduate assistant for two years, and after that those two years that I can't getting my masters and everything of that nature I went right back into coaching, getting a fulltime. fulltime job at my Alma Mater, while I was running back coach, and also quarterbacks, coach and recruiting coordinator for three years, so I started to gain some experience through different lenses is some player and now coach, but sports during living something that I've always wanted to get into and you know I got. I got a little bit tired of coaching I had just had twin girls as well so. College coaching a lot of moving around and I'm sure you've seen some previous examples of college coaches is moving all over the place I didn't want that for my family so I wonder a little bit more stability, but I wanted to find a way to stay in tune with the game, but also combined smart journalism in the NFL draft, the or something that I've loved growing up. I was a kid that sat in front of the TV back when it was a two day event. My parents just just tell me like managers. Go play outside. For TV so I've always had a love for the job and I want to figure out a way to combine it with sports journalism so. Created. The twitter account and twenty eighteen, and then also I just started my own block as well and just watching guys. Highlight saves on Youtube and. Basically what I learned from my time as a player and also as a coach, and I started publishing everything, and you know hard work always discovered, and that's what happened with me. That's awesome to hear I'm really happy to hear that and as a fellow sports, Journalism Guy, and also fellow father of twins i. know what what that life is like early out so best of luck in Nice work. I found you on twitter I. Don't know a year or two ago and enjoy your work. Enjoy the draft network and and I bought the guide earlier this week, and for any geek like me and a lot of guys listening it's it a really nice job because I really liked the way you break down the levels from elite talent to immediate starter to future starter. And have real. At those spots you of wear the in your mind. The brakes are your guide the twenty twenty draft guide available at the draft network. You are donating money this year all the money to the Raleigh. Rise, against Hunger Foundation it's ten dollars for the draft guide. Best ten bucks ever spend a goes to a great cause. Why did you choose that organization to TO RAISE MONEY JORDAN So I'm a big. I'm Canadian services. Something that I've been doing even going back to my college days. I've always wanted to have a face in the community. Just because being a quarterback I was going to be seeing that guy on the field, but also you WANNA have a face off the field as well so community, service or something. That I've always been big on, and I've been working with this organization, even going back to my college days, so I wanted to figure out a way I could still develop and maintain that relationship with them. This is actually my third year donating. Donating all my money from the guys, and this is something that I like to do credit to them just because of the situation that's going on in the world right now with the pandemic and everything, but it wasn't just that. It's something I'm always big on helping others, just because you're not always in a situation by yourself and the relationships that I've established going on about ten years now with this organization is something that I cherish a lot and I always want to figure out a way to give back to them. That's awesome. It's the twenty twenty draft Guy Jordan Reed. Put it together for the draft network, ten dollars, and again money to the rally rise against hunger. Foundation let's dive into with Jordan. First thing I looked at when I opened your. Top One fifty was where you had the quarterbacks as I'm sure most people do. You have Joe. Borough, as the fourth ranked prospect in this class to number six, and then Justin Herbert way down at twenty three. Let's start with borough. I don't see him by too. Many people below two when it comes to prospects. Why why do you have a few guys ahead? Of? Maybe what? What is it about? The guys I had a? that has you haven't got four. Well, it's nothing against borough is when I'm stacking big bore I wanNA stack the players that I could see being the best at their position during their career, so the guys that I have ahead of them. They show on the course Jeffrey accrued and then Isaiah Simmons I just see those guys being higher on the totem pole positions that throughout their career, and that's not a discredited the Joe, borough or anything I think he's going to be phenomenal in the league. I just think those other guys can be procured. Even elites players. Just we're actually doing borrow as possibly being a top eight top ten quarterback throughout his career. You have chase young number one. He's the only guy that makes your elite. List at ninety five plus as far as the numbers one hundred chase the only guy eight. Tell me why he ranks just a bit about everybody else in your mind and be. Is there any chance the redskins follow this up and let him get past number two in your mind. When we're talking about elite guys when I'm thinking my gear coming out a couple of years ago, even the buffalo brothers coming out, and even by milita sense, which is those are all those guys that have been compared to say, and he has a little bit of characteristics That's a fantastic blend in his game as well so I think when we're talking about that type of tears of a prospect I think chase. Young is definitely in that consideration, so that's why he got an elite tax for me, but there's a Lotta guys that fall pretty much along the borderline like you saw like you mentioned with the Code and Simmons and also borough. I don't think there's any way the risking fast on him. I just don't see that happening Ron Rivera as a defensive minded head coach, and they are really they already have a talented defensive line, and like the Eagles show during their super bowl run. You WanNa provide ways of defensive Lineman at these town offensive office of groups just because they're so high octane and they're so simple. You WANNA keep fresh bodies in, and you know rotating chase young. Ask Him in some way to the first pick from last year and then I. This is A. A very very talented player, Jonathan Ron pain and even Ryan Kerrigan. We can't forget about the old wily veteran there so they have a very talented defensive line already, and then you incorporate young to it I. Don't think there's any way turned down. Yeah, it makes sense to me to the next two teams drafting the lions and giants are both making it. No, not surprisingly. They're willing to trade down. If anybody wants to jump up for quarterback, perhaps you have to number six and Justin Herbert way down at twenty three. Do you see any? Scenario where somebody trades ahead of Miami at five to try to get to A. Or do you expect to his basement to be at pick six? Yeah I think it's floors. Definitely picked shakes with the charges. I don't see them going any later than that. Just because we know supply and demand or the lack thereof and they drive glasses, quarterbacks are always going to be highly valued over any other physicians, just because the biggest weapon in team building in the NFL is having a cheap quarterback. We're seeing right now. With the Kansas City chiefs and there they were able to cash in on their opportunity with a quarterback and Patrick Mahomes, but we know he's probably GonNa, get two hundred million dollar contract, but then the next few months, but having that cheap deal to. To See really set the blueprint for all of this when they had Russell Wilson back in twenty twelve. I believe it was so I think having that you've quarterback is really gonNA help team, so there's going to be somebody that even up for Herbert whether that's Carolina. Panthers or anybody else speaking at quarterback but I. Just think it's floor. There's no way just past the charges. You'll Herbert at twenty three. You Have Jordan love at twenty one. Do you see any scenario that love gets drafted ahead of Herbert? Why are you maybe a bit lower on Herbert? Than many of these so-called draft experts we hear about. I didn't like the upside better and I think. Harvard is by far the more safer pick, but I just like I trust what I saw in twenty, eighteen with Jordan love as opposed to what we saw twenty nineteen, when we saw precipitous drop off in a lot of categories, specifically does down interception ratio where he at thirteen thirty two touchdowns, the six intersections and twenty eighteen, and then come back last year he got twenty thousand seventeen interceptions, but he lost a lot of around. He lost his head coach and Matt. Wells who went to Texas tech, he lost his top two options and. Also Darwin Thompson, and then they lost some other weapons of front as well so I, just what I saw and twenty eighteen from him, and I was like the upside, a little bit better even though Herbert's floors definitely higher. Where do you think love ends up Do you think that the Patriots are saying? Two teams that have been perennial playoff teams Take the dive right there, or is there a scenario where my team sitting there at thirty in Jordan? Love is still on the board. So this is something that I really struggled with it because I don't know I'm actually working on my on my job that come out Wednesday morning and it was a situation where love with this constantly sliding down the board and the first landing spot I thought over obviously the Patriots at twenty three, and then the saints. That's only four as well so I really don't know I think the facts are gonNA. Take a quarterback because I think even though we know the whole blueprint with Aaron Rodgers. Transplanting Brett Farve when there and the. Third or fourth year in the league I don't think the packers are ready to do that quite yet. Even though love will be a fantastic replacement. For Aaron Rodgers later on down the road. I don't think they're ready to do that right now. So It's a situation where a team could trade up back into the first round I think the coach sitting at thirty four I think it loves sitting there. He makes it to the SEAHAWKS. It's twenty seven. Another seahawks don't have a lot of traffic, so maybe that's a area that seems targeted trade back in the first round for Jordan. Yeah. I looked at that, too. I guess my thing with the colts and there the obvious team early second round that needs a a quarterback with rivers sort of the bridge this year, maybe the next year I. Just don't Know How many teams between twenty eight and thirty three. The colts are. Maybe they're more worried about some other team jumps in because the the team set to draft bottom of the one tapa to. They've got their quarterback, so maybe it's more. We don't want another team jumping in there and grabbing a guy. Yeah, and that's why it gets a little bit shirt and you just because you know the top guys go five ten and borough so I still think it gonna go talk to despite the injury history in their ability issues and Ann Harbor I think those guys are top ten locks for the most part, but it gets a little bit tricky after that for love, and you never know man. There's something wrong with that. The rate might take forever nineteen. That's that's the rumor. That's not right now, so it's GonNa be really interesting to. To See. We're joined the land We have a lot more to get to. Jordan read the draft network really want to get his take on the wide receiver crop the tackles and the corners. 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WAS Thirty two teams will be run out of dream beginning, Thursday night as the twenty twenty nfl draft begins Thursday evening, wall-to-wall coverage on the fan as you heard during the break and all this week leading up to the first round, then of course rounds two and three on Friday on the weekend on Saturday round four to seven. We welcome back. Jordan Reed of the draft network WHO's twenty twenty draft guide. Guide is available there for the very reasonable price of ten dollars for two hundred and fifty pages of material, his top one fifty board really great in-depth stuff on all the prospects I recommended very highly. All the proceeds go to the Raleigh North Carolina Rise Against Hunger Foundation Jordan. Let's talk about some of the positions that are near, and dear to Vikings fans hearts I think most believe with if they. They pick the two picks twenty, two and twenty five. They'll address offensive line and cornerback receiver might be the wild card in there so I looked at your tackles, and you've got the four tackles that most believe we'll go in the top half of the first round in the top thirteen of your best over players. And then I found it interesting that the number five tackle for you is does not. Not Get a first round grade We have to go down to Josh Jones. WHO's ranked thirty six for you Austin Jackson, forty-four and Ezra Cleveland fifty seven so seeing that I know. Ni does way in here a little bit. But do you think it would be a reach if the top four tackles are off the board, for either Minnesota or Green Bay, to address that spot in the first round. I don't think it would be a just because I think. If you really get a glimpse of all thirty two teams, boys would probably be a different order for how they have the top eight ordered and I think you really have to break it into two tiers for this group you know the top four judging wills, words Thomas, and then awesome MCI back, and then after that I think that's where it gets a little bit interesting just because you're gonNA. GonNa have some things that have Jones maybe in the back out of that I hear maybe at the top of the second tier. Other guys like Prince Tiger no-go. Austin Jackson in Cleveland of course and then Lucas and the Yanks I think those are fair. Put in that second tier, but there's a Cleveland guy that's really starting to surge into that I. Hear maybe not into that top four, but I think to the back half in the first round. Round I know there's been so much. I have picked him so the Vikings also the packers and we've seen in years past. I know the packers are getting a little bit buyer's remorse with named Jason Spriggs out there I know that's a popular name that's out there with Ezra. CLEVELAND, but also with the Vikings on the flip side of that he compares very favorably to a guy like Brian O'Neill who has been a really good player for them, so it's. It's kind of a two edged sword with how you WanNa look at well if the Vikes do address tackle in the first round, and they're looking at one of those guys Which one do you think fits what the Vikes do Abassin? In other words that that zone blocking scheme, the feet matter getting out and space as well as obviously protecting your quarterback is one guy to you. That's a match made in heaven of the Vikes go that route. Is Obviously tristen where I mean, he would be absolutely phenomenal. Everybody saw athleticism at the combine, but he's not a realistic option. I think I'll be surprised if he gets past the browns at ten. More realistic option I think would be three guys. It'd be Josh Jones from Huston. That's just a matter of where they happen graded on their board. They got a good look at him at the senior bowl. Then also also Jackson. Excuse me often backing from you is another guy that I think they were like a lot because he hasn't been robbed, but he's GonNa be twenty year old. Old Ricky he he's a little bit weak in his core strength. I think that's area where he doesn't need to improve upon, but just a little bit of background on this story that he wasn't able to train to lash it just because he had to get a bone marrow certain surgery to save system in a sense. We needed that bone marrow from him so. So he wasn't able to train at all last year, so he really got core strength on film and I think with an added year in the weight room, being able to just train for his rookie I think it'd be decent for the most part and the last guy that's been a commentator. Bike is like I said every Cleveland I was surprised. They take him at twenty two. Two or twenty five just because the look they've had since they look excessive, have had with Brian O'Neill I think he compares very favorably to him, so it wouldn't surprise me if they Cleveland that twenty to twenty five. Let's talk cornerbacks very high as everybody is on a Khuda and Henderson, they will likely be unavailable by the time. The Vikings pick unless they choose to move up. The next group of quarterbacks. How how do you like those guys? And how do you slot them? How do you rank come and Which of those do you think the might have their eye on? So there's a consensus Tattoo of course with Jeffrey Okuda and see Henderson and I think something may have had them put block, but of course me I have a at the top absolutely love big. Fan of him. Best Corner that upgraded migrating system says Marshon Lattimore came out a few years ago I think another of course is they corner seems like they turn those. Those guys that every year, but could have special CJ Henderson after that. It was a very good football player, but after that I think it gets very interesting now. A couple of players that I really like for the Vikings. There's three of them. I said, say crystals and from Lsu. I got it. They have met with at the combine and also virtually. Through through his own facetime teleconference. I think they have a lot of interest in him. Daycare from Clemson. That's another guy that they have a lot of interesting, and he had a really good year last year, but the big thing. Is that the last thing image that we have in Lsu down. The National Championship and everybody likes to remember that about him, and it's Kinda unfair of evaluation. And if you just think about this year, you look at your prior to that point I thought. He was excellent, and it looks like a first grader corner on Sake for me, but I gave him a second round grade just because I'll be a little bit hesitant taking him in the first. Just because I like some guys better now. One I do like better than terrorists gladdy from. I think he will be absolute home run for the Vikings, just because he a little bit smaller, he's about the same size as Mike Hughes the same body type as well, but just the physicality he brings to the table, and then we know that Mike Number Defense, he loves God that can come up and tackle, and he has a linebacker mentality when he comes up and tackle. He's very mature also as As a cover corner as well so I think widening would be a home run for the Vikings. That's sounds like the best fit of the guys you just talked about before we move onto what receivers I'm curious and by the way we're talking with Jordan read the draft network the draft network, Dot Com and his twenty twenty draft guide available for the bargain price of just ten bucks Antoine Winfield the. I saw Mel. Kiper got him now as a first round. Pick you've got him Overall the number three safety on the board. Tell me what you like about Antoine Winfield. We've all watched him. Obviously, battled some injuries, but when he's been out there a game changer, and so was his dad obviously Where do you project him going? What's the best situation for Antoine Winfield to find themselves here? Some of the things about him and I know a bit Cliche, but he's just a football player man, and the thing that you love about him is that he really is a position. Let's prospect on the back end of the defense. He can play off spots on the back end either safety spot outside corner, and also nickel corner as well. That's something that you love to see on his family from they primarily Clayton at free safety for the most. Minnesota but I think. Think, he can use them all over the place. Yeah, the football, DNA that's you're looking for any knows exactly what it takes to be a pro. Just watching his dad grow up and just seeing how successful he was, so he has that he has that great role model in the corner, really to guide them and teach them how to be a pro. Even though he basically was walked through it through some time life, so that's some of the things that you like. Like about him, but the big thing of course is the durability issue with him, so he's basically missed two seasons during his career. So there is some injury history there. Scare you a little bit and I think that's something that's probably going to keep him from being a first round pick at the top of the second round. I think there's plenty of teams that will like him a lot like it's been in Cleveland at forty one. I think that'd BE A. A really good fit for him, but also the giants at thirty six I think that would be a really good fit for him as well, but of course I would love to have him on the Vikings well if they do him. I think that'd be a really cool story. Yeah, you think about it when you're that bubble player last of the first top of the second you either going to a great team or one of the worst teams. That's gotta be so. Stressful for some of these guys to thank you I could end up in a new England kind of a place, or I could be you know in Cincinnati and that I. Mean just think about how your fortunes can shift one pick to the next. I can't imagine the stress. And I mean I'm sitting. Guys don't really care where they go. They just happy to be select run I it's always interesting to see just because I think at the top of the second round. You get a lot of interesting guy. I really fail and this happened a couple of years ago. With Donald, Cook the where they have first talent, but because of medical is are some field situations. They weren't selected in the first round. So there's a lot of things I really good steals in in the for. For half a second round and I think that's allowed. The wide receivers are gonNA end up going I. Think you do as well I was a little surprised to see You've got the top four guys the to Bama guys, lamb and Jefferson as you know top twenty top twenty prospects, and then you don't have another wide receiver as a first round prospect, your next wide receiver on your list of V as Denzel mims Thirty thirty-seven, so there could be a run early. Second round on these guys The vice and packers fans. All consider wide receiver. A need I think maybe Green Bay more than. The vikes who have some big holes to fill, and they seem to find receivers late. That are pretty effective A. why was there such a hard line for you between four and five, and when you go to that next group of guys starting with men's? Who the guys that you think might shine at the next level. Maybe surpass where they're drafted and some of the guys at the position who are drafted ahead of them. So I think it was really going to be interesting to watch with this wide receiver group and I'll go back to what we saw last year. So last year, the only receiver selected in the first round I believe was Martine Brown with the Ravens at the twenty fifth overall pick, but after that in the second or third around. You're getting into guys like a J, Brown. Hair maclaurin so. The team that really did wait on that receiver. Innocence may really able to cash in those tickets, usually because I mean there was so much talent in the mid around, so what I'm interested to watch with this class is that yes, there's more high in talent, but with the success that we've seen with teams getting guys in the second third or fourth round. These seems weight but did. Did they go up and get the guys and we know CD lingerie. Judy rugs and also Jefferson I think those guys will comfortably be first selections, but with the success that some of these games saw last year with the second and third round. GUYS DO teams. Wait on, Michael Pittman, junior or even a Jalen Reagan somebody like that in the second round, even acres in the second. Second round just because they can get a position that they immediately need right now, and it's still get that receiver that can contribute right away in the second or third around, so that's something that I'm watching, but just about the hard line that I have in this receivers class I see those top four guys really projecting right away just because of the the the role that they. They had in their offense I think it really transitioned over translates immediately to what they can do in the NFL, of course and then excited Hughes, but I just feel really comfortable about those guys transitioning right away, and this is something in terms I don't WanNa get too technical that you call them at clear package prospect so whenever packers lands on your doorstep in the mailman whoever? Whenever they place on your doorstep in that clear back. You know exactly what you're getting from day one so lamb. Judy Rugs Jefferson I know the clear baggage prospects. What I'm from day one from them, but after that I think it gets a little bit cloudy for A. Bit of a man crush on Brandon IU during this draft season. Maybe it's watching. The Youtube highlights, and there's a lot of guys like regular like Chenault that that fall into that category that you watch the Youtube pilots and you go. Oh, man, put that guy with Aaron Rodgers. Let's have some fun. of those guys those second round. Is that the next grouping again men's. Gregor. Chenault probably missing one or two hundred Pittman One or two of those guys that you could see maybe a climbing above it, and having really really good careers to the next level, a lot of it depends obviously where they land, but who skill sets Do you really enjoy? So the first one I'll say that I would be completely shocked if this guy ended up, being told a bus and not a contributor. Right away Michael Junior from day one and it goes back to the same conversation that we had with Anton Journal. Football DNA that you're looking for, but he's a guy that wears a bunch of pets and what I mean by that is. He wasn't just the receiver at USC. He was a two time special teams player of the year so. So he has this tremendous value that's looking for not only as a receiver, but he also can play on every single special teams, and then he's very unselfish individual and he's only getting better. Last year was really his first. You're being healthy full-time star. He's battled some injuries but I think the way he entered the draft process i. think he's only GonNa get better as it goes along, so I'm a big Fan of Michael Pittman Junior I like what he brings to the table. Table and then brandon. I, you a big fan of him and the thing about you that a lot of people really aren't seeing right now. Is that the first year everywhere he's being. He has struggled. He was a kid that went to junior college his first year and then it's first your Arizona State. He was sitting behind the Care Harry and struggled a little bit, so he's probably GonNa Start A. He's GonNa. Start slow a little bit during the NFL career wherever he. He lands, but I think that second and third year I think he's GonNa actually explode, and everybody knows how electric is with the ball in his hands that goes back to this former date is running back if the vikings packers pass on a wide receiver in the first round, and they pick where they are slotted in the second round. Do you see any of those guys? Still being available? By the time, the Vikes or the packers picked on the bottom after the second. Hour surprised one of those guys that I think I was surprised if if they don't go fifty out of the shop. Takes a trade then Yeah absolutely I have done a a number of drafts on your site. The draft network DOT COM and every time I do it. Either Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen is available the way you guys have rated the players. They happen to be there one of them at thirty, and in my dream scenario, green bay D- Changes History, and actually put some meaning to that position inside Linebacker, because that's a spot, the packers defense clearly needs speed in the middle of that defense at Linebacker, and if Murray or Queen. Queen happens to fall to them which I don't think they will. I would love to see them. Take either of those guys. I know you've got them both as top twenty prospects, but just if one of them is there for Green Bay and your mind. If you were Brian Gouda cones, would you pass it? Either of those guys knowing how that defense currently sits? Now happily take either one of those guys and all this started Patrick. Wayne just getting to know Patrick a little bit throughout the process, actually talking to them last week for story does right. he's a terrific individual man and you know He. His career didn't start how he wanted to. He actually lost out on the training camp battle at the Mike. Position Prior to this year at the start of this year I should say started last year to Michael Junior. WHO's another linebacker in this group But after I believe it was the six game of the year, he just completely turned it on and put the switch. He got a chance to start the seventh game of the year, and then he did give back the starting. Starting position after that. Go back and watch them in the College Football playoff. He was absolutely phenomenal and another linebacker. That's a former running back, so he the game in a different sense, he knows blocking schemes. He's able to follow Polish, and he's able to decipher information and just maneuver his way through traffic just so well, and I think that's something that you have to do just the processing part I think that's the biggest part of the hardest part, but translate as a young linebacker and I. Think he already had that down. Pat, he's. He's very loose mover coverage, and that's why I ended up at the top twenty player for me I love. He's going to be a twenty year old rookie. As well I love the youth aspect of it just because you're GONNA get a lot of value out of him, whether that's the second or even third contract ends up being good player for you about transitioning and Kenneth. Murray doesn't process as well but I. Think the leadership qualities that exuberation I think that's something I love about Kenneth. Murray supreme leader. That's something that you notice. Notice. He actually started as a true freshman at Oklahoma. which is something that doesn't happen very often taking him in the middle of that defense. And then he played thirty Cluster Games academic, tackling machine, very athletic rent for five two at the combine, so he has the speed to back that up and I like the quality day brings to the table, and you feel that infectious energy that he gives office interacting with him at the combine supreme leader, and you have no words with him. Pegging him in the middle of Defense has rookie. One of those guys are there. That's what I would love. Green Bay to do all right last one for Jordan Reed if the Vikings do not address, tackle in the first or second round, and they wait until the third round or later give me a name or two that Vikings fans should keep an ear on obviously local ties Ben Barch from Saint John's is a guy that many project to be third round pick. Maybe Fourth of he slides a little Give us a couple of tackles that the vikes might look at beyond the Glitz of the first couple rounds. Yeah, so you already name one that I was gonNA. Say Been Bartsch another guy that I've been able to interact listens very very bubbly. Personality I liked being around being got to have a lot of energy. I like that about him and if he were to. Really replace him with an Alabama Helmet Notre Dame helmet, or even a Michigan Helmet at the senior bowl. You Win. Ah, you wouldn't have been able to different. That's how well he played down there, and that's something that you worry about with these small school, guys. You don't know how they're GONNA adjust speed game just because I mean, go from Planning Division three balls blocking some edge rusher. From the SEC. Big That's a big jump, but he looked. He looked for nominal down there and I hate that he got hurt the last senior practice because I think he was going to be a huge riser there, but then botches definitely one to keep an eye on I'll give you two more actually so another one. That's the Charles from Lsu. A that has guard tackled flexibility. He does ask Red Flags. He wants to spend suspended a couple times, but during the time. He had a six game suspension earlier this year, but he admitted his faults there, and he's a terrific individual as well as far as what he brings to the table on the field, very loose mover, a really really good blocker as well so predict protecting boroughs blindside. I thought he did a really good job. In the next one is Matthew Perk from Yukon I think he's another guy that he probably isn't ready to start right away, but I think he's second third I think it can pay either right back or left tackle former basketball player, so he has athleticism. Actually looking for an zone scheme is going to be able to moving easily as well so keep an eye on. You said your mock draft hits Wednesday at the draft network DOT com. Yes they mourn. Look forward to that. Really enjoy the draft guide. Great work with that I. Know that took you a little bit of time to put that sucker together? available at the draft network Dot Com. It's Jordan reads twenty twenty draft I. Really really enjoyed this time and learning some of the inside of the strap. Class I'll stewart again. Jordan and enjoy the draft this week. Absolutely thanks for having me. David pledged. Great Jordan read the draft network kind enough to spend forty minutes, or so with US appreciate that what our down one hour to go coming up at twelve fifteen. Viking legend Tommy Kramer weighs in on this quarterback class. We'll see what he knows and thanks of the guys that are going to go on Thursday and maybe even a little bit later in the draft. Maybe he's got some some guys in the back half that he's kept an eye on and and I'll tell my Tommy Kramer story when we come back as well I've probably told at once or twice over the years. Years, but it seems apropos for today and time for your calls next segment for sure from twelve thirty, two, one as well Viking fans. What are your dream scenario for Thursday night? I've got a number of topics to hit when it comes to the first round of the draft before we are done, so if you're digging the NFL draft, and you dig in the conversation much more to come right after these on the. Fan. Right or wrong. The. State. Eleven fifty nine on a Sunday. We add her I felt kind of a Tom. Petty vibe going today, appreciate you. keep in that thing going today. Choice Bella feels like a day. I was playing some this morning at home and a son. Dylan was working on a jigsaw puzzle with my wife, and I put on the Mary, Jane's last dance and I think by the second stanza he was saying along. I mean you've never heard the song before, but just telephone watching your kids Kinda Dig Music Day without even trying to one hour down one hour to go. It's a cheesecake show is I meant for J G in the cake show today they were on nine to eleven. J. G. was nine to eleven today. I'm filling in eleven to want. It's the NFL draft wall to wall. Because why else would we want to talk about with the first round just five days away just. Just had Jordan Reed on. He was terrific from the draft network dropping his knowledge on the prospects he likes and We'll review some of his comments and thoughts on directions. Vikes might take as we move along again. Next segment, Tommy Kramer, the Viking legend joined in to talk quarterbacks in this class and very much. Look forward to that Take some calls the segment. If you weigh in by the way a six, five, one, nine, eight, nine, five, three to six toll, free, eight, hundred, three, two, zero, five, three to six. Like, many of you, I've I have MOCK DRAFT CLICK BAIT! I mean if I see him. Act Draft I. Click and look at it sliding. I caught one on sports illustrated. That had just dropped and this one. I found interesting because they have the vikings. After making picks twenty, two and twenty five. Trading back into the first round at twenty nine. Because Jordan love is still there and they trade up. To acquire Jordan, Love with the twenty ninth pick it costs them their second round. Pick their third round pick. A sixth round pick two OH, one and a number two next year. That's a lot of capital a to a three and a two next year, but you're moving back into the first round. The the carrot dangled there as you get the fifth year option with that quarterback when you take him in the first round. You get the extra year so if You do take law and you're the Vikings and you know you got cousins for two years. You'll still have love for three other instead of two. If you take a quarterback later than the first round, so I think that's the reason why you give up the potentially the draft capital to move back into the first round in and I don't know if I were a Viking Fan. I would be all about this I mean anytime you. You hear some people whisper the name Pat Mahomes when comparing Jordan love to today's crop of quarterbacks, and maybe that's not fair does no one's expects this kid from Utah. State to to be an MVP, but what you see some of the intangibles, the the leadership ability, and just the I can do anything kind of feel, and when you hear Jordan Reed in the past segment two segments ago, talking about how his numbers dropped. Dropped off this past year in large part because coach left is coordinator left. His top receivers were gone. You know maybe you didn't get along with the new coaches. Well, you know you almost have to throw out this last year and look at the tape from the previous year and I'm real curious to see where Jordan love goes. Because I saw a number of that, that had him sitting there at thirty and I've seen a couple. Couple that have had green bay, taking him thirty, which wouldn't be to me the worst thing in the world, but I am in that man reach the championship game, and yeah, maybe a lot of things fell your way, and maybe really not a thirteen and three team, and and ten or eleven wins is more likely this year, but ten or eleven wins get in the playoffs I I'd like to see Green Bay draft a guy. That can win them a game or to get them back into the playoffs whether that's. A defensive tackle a linebacker, a wide receiver at offensive tackle rather see a guy that can step in and contribute the next couple of years, but if you think you've got. The next twelve to fifteen year potential quarterback sitting there for you. Man Take and maybe the Vikes move up to twenty nine and take him. I thought that was really interesting. I hadn't seen that that might be. The scenario evacuated falls that someone like the colts. move up and want to maybe trade with Seattle. A twenty seven Green Bay at thirty to get Jordan. Love before somebody else can, but I'm curious Viking. Fans Booth Cafe Dot Com. Are you on board with that? Would you do that right now? Would you trade back into the first round of twenty nine? Give up a two and a three. A six and the next year is to to draft Jordan. Love Twenty, nine I think I would do it if I were Viking Fan. You gotta find. You have to find a franchise quarterback. Maybe he won't be it, but maybe it's time to roll the dice in this kind of scenario can let them sit for a couple of years or if he has to play. You know he he can play. Unlike maybe the backup situation right now. How excited would you be right now? Cousins got hurt booth a cafe dot com I'd love your thoughts on that a couple Saturdays ago, and I asked Trent Tucker. I'm in the zone Saturdays eight to ten. Thanks for listening. Who Do you think device will take a twenty two and twenty five. I said trying to give you a week to think about it and let me know yesterday. He had two names last Saturday read on the tip of his tongue, which shocked me, and they were both clemson players see went with the clemson double dip of Aj a corner, t higgins at wide receiver take two kids that know how to play in big games and move on to the second round, which segues us in to one of my favorite callers Clemson Tiger Guy who joins us right now and. CLEMSON IF If, the, Vikes, go tiger tiger with those two guys, you think Vikings, fans would be happy ultimately. I think so Davey I mean you know it was interesting here in what Jordan had to say about? Aj Terrell specifically You know our last impressions at Lsu Game, which was on his, honestly a ruffling, but you know it's like he kinda looted to how many cornerbacks had a good game against Lsu year I believe that's probably zero. Yeah, you know and it's so. So funny, because when we won the first title with the Sean I went down to the spring game that year, and just happen to by circumstance, meet AJ trail and his family. They were there on recruiting visits, just a just a great kid and It's great family though it's been cool watching him t Higgins Davy. The only thing I would say about T I love him. He just needs to bulk up a little bit I kept waiting for him to put on muscle. The be more kind of like Mike Williams. He got older and he he never really did, but as far as just I mean athleticism. Hands, you know speed I. Mean. He's got everything you, won't he? Just I think he might have a little trouble. As far as people crowd in them on the line. You know what I mean He. He needs to put on a little bit of muscle. And most marks I've seen have him going late second? Maybe after that even second wave of wide receivers obviously just takes one team to to fall in love with them, and and you know then he's gone, but I I, think I think the Vikes pass on wide receiver early obviously, the highest ranked clemson player. This year is Isaiah Simmons, who projects to be a top five pick most likely I know you've enjoyed watching that. Kid play and are excited to find out where he ends up Yeah he's He just turned into an absolute monster I mean he's and you talked about kind of the new wave of the NFL where you know, people aren't really running for three or three four out of their base defense. If it's all pretty much nickel and he's just a you know you can plug him in. You know the old cliche Swiss army knife He can play in the secondary if you need them. They are a couple of snaps or he you know. He won the Butkus Award for Linebacker Best Linebacker in college this year and he can rush the passer to off the edge day. The he he's just a freak. And you see a lot of mock drafts have him going to the giants, and of course I still hate the giants going back to when they broke Joe Montana's elbow into fifty places, but you know they they'd. These giants are stacking up my guys with Dexter and and probably our good chance looks like Isaiah here, but David I gotta ask you What would you as far as from a Niner's perspective? We traded Butler so we could get another first round. And I understand we signed Eric Armstead to a more cap friendly deal. He's not as good of a player as Buckner, but he's pretty good. And I realized the niners are trying to avoid being like the rams, who just went all in and went belly up on your later. You know we're trying to stay relevant year after year, but you got a kid like Giovane Kinloss, sitting there from South Carolina who's the monster will if you're the niners, would you pull the trigger immediately? Say At pick number thirteen to replace buckner it just. Just feels weird to trade a guy who was obviously on the cusp of being NFL star, and then use drafted in the high I around to replace. What what do you think about that now? I. Don't think they will I think they feel like they've got so much talent that D. line. Yeah, they gave up Buckner, but they get this pick which will help them somewhere else if not their, if laws there. I think he's projected to go before that may be, but if he's there I think they'll think about it, but I mean I. Think they have to be tempted receiver, don't they? If they can get judy or rugs or One of those three guys to add some speed that offense of next is. Your guy from last year Deebo I just think you have a chance to get one of the top two or three receivers for that offense. I think that's the carrot that would lead me to say. That's what we treated. buckner forget an elite wide receiver to pair with Deebo who looks like a home run from last year's draft that that's where I think they go at thirteen. Yeah, I tend to think yeah, wide receiver, or even I mean we niners need cornerback help, so if by some chance one of those top two corners was sitting there at thirteen, but then you know the niners have another pick late in the first round as well. They've got to pick so I'm Kinda with you. I think it's going to be very interesting to see what Shanahan does with that I dick back. I would love to have judy rugs. I mean either one of those guys or lamb I mean I would love either of the top three, but we're going to see What Shanahan thinks he needs, and you know you were just talking about Jordan love. They crazy scenario. Niners got that you know one of the last picks in the first round. I mean another rookie franchise deal. You know quarterback maybe Shanahan I. Don't think he's GonNa do that, but just kind of funny to think about. Yeah, you got too much money invested in Garoppolo and too many years to pay him. I don't think they'll go go that route, but I just think team sometimes. Get an fans. Do it when you trade. Trade like defined digs well got to get a receiver to replace them right away while we're. Did you get digs? Where'd you get feeling? I mean you don't have to get in love with one of these big name receivers let the draft fall the player, and no, you're gonNA find a very good receiver later on the way, distract is stacked. Clemson enjoy Enjoy the draft y'all about a million clemson. Guys to follow throughout the weekend, and then while you're niners, go so I know you'll be watching wire-to-wire. Enjoy it. Yeah you guys take care and Tell WTO said what's up I'm Kinda like your kids they since all this has hit my sleeping patterns I woke up yesterday and eleven am what is going on here? It's like I'm sixteen again. You missed in the zone. How dare you? podcast the I thought boy, my friend. Take. Guys all right see I am. My dream scenario is green bay moves up for one of those receivers like let's say. Henry rods drops and gets passed I think Denver at fifteen is the spot where most believe you know he's likely to go if he's still there, and if not the raiders at eighteen, and they would probably take them. What if Green Bay sees? Denver Pass at fifteen and they go up to the dolphins and say. You. Know what you got a lot of picks. You don't need any more, but you've got another one coming in the first round move out of this one picket thirty and you know we'll make a deal to get up way up to what seventeen which would cost green bay a lot of capital. It would cost them. Thirty and sixty two for sure I think I did that on the draft chart yesterday to move to eighteen, it would cost them thirty and sixty two. That matches out. I would do that if tap to still be there and get past the broncos and he's sitting there at eighteen seventeen. Whatever it is I'd give up pick one into to jump up and get Henry rocks and add that talent that speed that I don't think the receivers that you can. Can Get later while we know they're not going to be rugs and that four to eight speed and what we saw him do would Bala that's my dream. Scenario is instead of the trade down which most expect Green Bay to do. If if presented with an opportunity, they move way up and just grab rugs and say let's go. Let's give Rogers a stud and take a first round receiver for the first time since John. Walker in in twenty two. All right so next stop Tommy Kramer joins and I'm really excited about that. I think we met at a golf event couple of years ago. and his friend Buddy reached out to me. Twitter today Tommy would love to jump on, and I leapt at it because obviously you know I'm a packer fan. We get that, but back in the day. When Tommy was the quarterback, I was covering the Vikings down in Austin Minnesota at K. LTV and demand Kato covering training camp, coming up for a couple games every year I was the weekend sports, anchor, and so I covered those Kramer teams did the highlights on Sunday nights and all that. and. I'd never released the video and someday I made. Maybe it'll take some kind of monster. BET WITH PA where if I lose let cafe. Show this video, but Brienne looking. Could you imagine me rapping? Ask Tommy Kramer. Could you just? She can't hide and she's. She's laughing so hard. She can barely talk, but yes, believe it or not back in eighty seven. I which the year I joined K. Al. the other sports Guy Dave Kappen I decided you know because that was the year for the Vikings had two quarterbacks, they Kramer and Wade Wilson who were both getting some playing time. And this is just a couple of years after the bears right one with the super bowl shuffle. That song was obviously big hit, so we changed the words, and we came up with the Vikings quarterback shuffle I was Tommy Kramer, I had the number nine Jersey had the black face paint out of the is I'm in my mid twenties at this point I still have very few moves, but but we wrapped it out. You know we are the Vikes quarterback crew passing the ball doing it for you. The both of us are good enough to start. Sometimes, it's hard to tell us apart blah blah blah. That video still exists it's. Under quarantine inequality teen. It's rarely seen the light of day. I think I've shown my kids. My wife and I think beyond that it's never seen the light of day maybe someday. I'll release it if I really feel like. Be laughed at for all of eternity, because once I release. It's there forever for anyone to mock and have fun with any case. I would say yes. It's all downhill from the of eighty seven when the quarterbacks actually. CBS. Sports was going to show a clip of it right before a Viking game, we had given him the video, and they were gonNA it on out for a few seconds, and something happened where something happened in the tunnel and ended up showing video from the tunnel moments before kick-off Viking game that day, and our our video never saw the light of day, but but we had fun doing. It was my moment to be Tommy Kramer in the next segment. We'll chat with Vikings legend Tommy Kramer talking all things, quarterbacks and NFL draft right here the fan. Right, we are back twelve twenty one on a Sunday afternoon. I'm Dave CYNIC INFRA JJ if the cheesecake show. Up until the top of the hour talking all things NFL draft. We had Jordan Reed on from the draft network about eleven fifteen for two segments of really interesting stuff. This guy knows this draft class and it was really great to hear his insights on now players that might make sense for the purple, and we'll recap that before we are done, but right now, very. To welcome in a guy who had an interesting draft day way back when nineteen, seventy seven and a great career with the purple I'm talking about legendary quarterback Tommy Kramer. WHO's kind enough to give us a few minutes on a beautiful Sunday afternoon? Tea k. how the heck are you? Dave. Watching a lot of TV. Yeah, you and me both into watching that way. Slimane creep up. The belt gets a different hole every couple of weeks I feel like right about now. How much do you remember about your draft day back in seventy seven number one pick by the purple, and you joined a team that had a hall of fame quarterback kind of winding things down. What do you remember about? The draft and your first couple of years as you learn the ropes from Franson. I was in my dorm room. You know they told me to stay by my phone. and. then. Don moved up my buddies and stuff and. Then I get a phone call. And you know they say this is so and so with the Green Bay packers. Would help you like place or the packers. Play play. And so they said okay well. We've got twenty eight. You're still there. We're GONNA. Take you on the standard I. Hang up the phone. Buds on. You know but grant with Minnesota. Bike palettes like the flavor. Of the. Shit. I don't care where I play I wanNA play. That's unbelievable. You came that close to be one of my guys. Obviously. Minnesota stepped in. That's really cool. I mean those back in the days. There's no call waiting. I wonder if bud called a couple times line was busy. You're talking with Green Bay, and then finally the lines clear he gets through, and he lets you know that that you are guy twenty-seven. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I was happy. So? You knew you weren't gonNA play right away. Took you until your third season until you? You took over for a talking tan? But what do you recall about what kind of mentor? He wasn't in what those first couple years were like before you were the starting quarterback. No friend I had. Long decide I. Don't know where some of this stuff came from that. They're saying talking then. GonNa have me with anything I. Don't know who all that up, but that was never the case. You know so. You know! We got along. We, got along real well and anytime are asking questions here. Danson for me so. You know I enjoyed playing with it. Yeah, those were back in the days. Where you drafted in the first round, you weren't necessarily throw down the field right away and be a starting quarterback. How do you think it would have been for you? If you had gone to a place where they handed you the keys right off the bat as a rookie and said you're our leader. You are guide. You think you would have been ready for that. Of course depending on whatever situation you were thrown into. I mean. Back then there wasn't off season whatever? You know there wasn't anything, but he he'd go down down. Can't training camp and men Kato Right. And that's. And that's when. I start you know then you. Start Learning about the offense and you know all the players that you have. And down there. That we're down in Cato one day as Early in training camp. then. Kinda by but one day I saw that. At Marshall and eller didn't hit the sled. And So that's that's interesting It'll hell knows. I gotTA show up because he said. He mean they sh- they show up on Sunday. Right all right I can go. Along with that. Yeah you figure that out once. You watched them unreal Sunday so yeah I guess they didn't need that sled after all they're. They're pretty much ready for action at this point. Long in the tooth. That's I. Suppose that's true. We're talking with the Viking. Gray Tommy Kramer Tommy. If. You get to watch one quarterback today. That's playing in this league. If there's one guy that you the prime time game and you know this guy is playing. You're not missing the game. What what quarterback you enjoy watching most among the act of quarterbacks. When the season went on this year? You know I watched a lot of football games. And I thought you know that. I thought that the Lamar Jackson from. With his athletic ability, and he can throw the ball to you know, but he's not so true. You know you can make him running back if you wanted to throw. But. That's. The thing I think. You know with the. Homes homes. You know I thought you know that was just a tremendous, gave me I'd come from behind. You know so. That's super. Bowl. Yeah this next generation, these young quarterbacks, Watson Mahomes and Lamar Jackson I mean these guys are the future of this league, and they're just also electric and fun to watch that and they're on the AFC. Which for those of us that love teams in the NFC gives us some hope to play those guys very often. How much time do you pay attention to the college game, and and if so in this year's draft class, we know that borough is the presumptive number one pick in Cincinnati and then with two in Herbert Jordan. Lob, How much have you had a chance to watch any of these guys, and and if so, which guys have stood out to you? I think those that you. mentioned. You know they are. They should be three. For sure going into you know, and the then the first six six with. Tau. To and. from LSU and Herbert Right I think that's very obey. Right we were. We were kind of tossing around last segment. There's some mock drafts. Have the Vikings making the play Jordan love either taken him if he's there or trading back for third time in the first round, and grabbing him late in the first round to have him for five years in that fifth year. Option you know he played for Utah State. For most of US watch highlights we didn't. Watch A. LOT OF UTAH State Games, but from where the vikings are set with cousins for the next couple of years, and then the question marks again of what they do. How would you feel about the vikings kind of swinging for the fences, and and making a play for him, knowing that he's got a couple of years to sit behind cousins, and then take over. I. Think I think you can do that. You know the year before you're gonNA. Pay You know whenever? You know. Keep the quarterback now that you know. You don't need personnel picked to do that to you. Know Somebody's GonNa. Be there another four or five years blamed for you. And so there's I to me me. I'd want they. Want to get. Either another safety or corner? You know one of those fiction then I'd want. The best and fast. Wide Receiver. To Go along with Eli yeah get cousins more help. Final question for you Tommy Kramer kind enough to join us on Sunday on the cheesecake show. What, what is your impression of of Kirk cousins watching him play, and and do you feel like he's a guy that that can take this team to the top of the mountain these next couple of years, if obviously the team stays healthy, and and things fall right for this team. He's he's very capable of doing it. You know and you know with. with the running game that they have they know, and then you know you had. To Stop the run. You'RE GONNA start on the ball. And you know, get to I, think they just need the speech there to come in, but also you know, make the buddy a great receiver and there's plenty of men in this draft. Yeah, don't give They'll give cousins some help whether it's Thursday or Friday or Saturday. For sure they'll restock that spot. really enjoyed Tommy. Thank you so much for a few minutes I know Vikings fans listening. You're their hero for for a Lotta years watching number nine place. We really appreciate the time. All well, thank you very much Tommy, Kramer, Viking legend, and nearly a Green Bay packer one pick later Oh. dickey was fine. You know enjoyed some really good years with the packing Lofton and Jefferson, but I had no idea that tk one pick away. From being a packer. That's pretty cool. We'll come back final segment. more NFL draft conversation What deals could the Vikes make to move up or down on on Thursday some other draft nuggets that have come out in recent days. I'll give you the two guys I think the Vikes pick at twenty two and twenty five. If they stay right there, and we walk up some calls in the final segment, as well, six, five, one, nine, eight, nine, five, three, two, six, eight, hundred, three, two, zero, five, three to six, or let your fingers do the talking to the Bradshaw box either booth, a cafe, dot, com or tweet natee. C. Had a final segment cheesecake. Show right after these. Coverage of the NFL draft. The Minnesota Vikings selects all this month off. I. something. Out! From. The can't hold on. VK! Final segment twelve thirty seven I. Don't know what it is when this world kind of stopped making sense. Talking heads to me, seem to make a lot more sense by myself listening one of my favorite albums. For any artist remained in light, talking heads. I listen do it. Often. It's probably my top ten of a favorite rock albums of all time. They'll play a lot of the heads on. The Fan just Kinda felt like well. Close the show with that one final segment Dave Syndicate, and for J G if the cheesecake show NFL draft special. If you missed any of it, it'll be downloadable pot castle. Just find the cake show. I'm guessing iheartradio CAFE IN DOT COM. You'll find it. I talked Jordan read. The draft network in the first hour just got off with. With Tommy Kramer dogs and cats sleeping together here with packers, Vikings and second as we look ahead to the first round, we, it's funny. We just focus on the first round, but man Fridays fun onto with rounds, two and three. There's all kinds of movement it. We're GONNA go to bed Thursday night with like and I was like this way from me last year. There's going to be like seven wide receivers sitting there on the board going into round, two and I'm guess the Vikings Pass on a receiver and the packers, either traded out of the first round, or addressed a different need ever dream about some of these guys whether it's Brandon, Euch or Jalen rigor or la. Viscous Chenault or maybe it's Michael Pittman and both are fan. Bases are going to say man. Wouldn't it be great to get one of those two guys, but as read mentioned to us, good luck by the time are two teams speck late in the second. Those guys are likely to go. Early in the second round, it might need to be trained up situation if either team looks a game changing potential wide receiver on day one. Those kind of guys likely be gone in the top fifty i. told a story I think yesterday. Even maybe it's a week ago last year. to packers are on the clock, and there's AJ Brown a receiver. For Mississippi State that I had my eyes on even in the first round for Green Bay and he's still sitting there and I thought. Oh that's the Guy Right there? In Green Bay passed and took out, and Jenkins became maybe the best offensive Lineman as a rookie last year. No complaints looks like that position left. Guard is locked down for the long term, so no second guessing, but Brown did blow up second half of his rookie year. With with Ryan Tannehill looks to be a star in the making and I'll feel the same way I'm sure. This year on I think Viking fans will to about those wide receivers and man how nice it would be to get! One of those guys for cousins as digs replacement. Will they be there By the time the Vikes pick in the second round or do you have to move to get them, so I looked to see? I think the ultimate scenario I. Heard Saas talk about this. You know Detroit up to get one of the top four tackles, and what would it take to get? One of those top guys that are looked at as step in your new left tackle, and finally for the first time in forever. You don't worry about that position. You've got the guy to protect. Kirk cousins blindside for the foreseeable future. You WanNA trade, twenty, two and twenty five. You got the bonus pick for. Dixie. You throw it in with your pick. You can get up to seven the now. That's not to say the team drafting at seven. We'll do it obviously, but if they want to picks you that that's a fair trade in the you know whatever that little. Draft trade chart that set up to sign values to each pick that evens out twenty, two plus twenty, five equal seven. And at seven you might have your pick of maybe all but one or two tackles so looking at Jordan reads ranking. He's got a jet. Rick Wills from Alabama has his fifth overall prospect Tristan Works at seven and Andrew Thomas off from Georgia at eleven, so you might have your choice of worse or Thomas. If you are willing to give up both your number, one picks. That's a lot to give up. But if you're getting a consensus. No. Pro Bowl caliber left tackle. One of the top three in this draft. I think you do it. I I would do it I. Don't know if you guys would do it. You might say we gotta get a cornerback early to. We can't just put all of our Egged on the left. Tackle basket, but I. I think that's one. You've got the capital where you could make that move twenty, two, hundred, twenty five to seven now. You want to keep twenty two what you're willing to trade twenty-five. You can trade twenty-five and your second round. Pick and get up to fifteen. So. Why does that make sense? Kind Becton. The Louisville giant three hundred sixty pound tackle who? Fail the drug test of the combine is reportedly calling teams to explain a kid that reportedly never had that issue in college but it is something to worry about as is his weight, but he is. Let's see Jordan's got his thirteenth overall prospect and the fourth tackle. But. Let's say he's still sitting there at fifteen. You can give up twenty five and fifty eight. You can give up your second number one pick. And your second rounder and jump up to fifteen and get Mechai becton. Don't you do that? Then you get back in fifteen. You come back at twenty two with a cornerback. And you're feeling really good about yourself and yeah, you don't pick. In the second round, but you still had your two-thirds so I think that's something to explore if. Backed and finds his stock falling which he might, and might be there in the middle of the first round, and there might be a number of teams looking to move up at that point because there appears to be. kind of a cliff after becton that that. The, draw from four to five, a tackle is kind of steep not to say. The vikes wouldn't plunge on Josh Jones or an Ezra Cleveland in the first round, but As, far as prospects go becton as a cut above the next group. So that's you look at a lot is tears. If. You can get a guy in a certain tier where you pick regardless of position that makes sense because you're not drafting just for twenty twenty. You know you're drafting for the next five to eight years with your pet. You can't just look at this coming season. which might be a a weird season anyway? one final move up with twenty-five. If you don't want to give up your second round pick, but you're willing to give up one or thirds. The vice could give up twenty five and eighty nine, so their second first round pick. And they're first third rump, their first third round, pick up. and. They can get into that nineteen twenty range. So what happens there? Why? WHY WOULD THEY WANNA move to nineteen or twenty? Well again? If Becton is still falling, and he's still there at nineteen or twenty, that might make some sense or what the cornerback CJ Henderson from Florida. Is still there at at nineteen or twenty and same deal you WanNa. Corner and guys like faulted and gladdy are appealing or Terrell, but. You can get the kid from Florida. That's a different conversation. Would you give up? Twenty five and your third round pick to jump up. Whatever five six spots to be sure you get that cornerback. So again. I don't know what trainings going to be like I assume it's going to be just like usual, but everyone's playing from a different set of rules, and we don't know how communication is going to work, but those are few scenarios where the Vikings, either give up both their picks to jump way up or give that second pick to move up. If a guy is dropping, and that's what you get with that second first round, pick, it gives you that. That extra firepower to kind of play on day one. That's why it's fun on Green Bay at two number ones. You don't know what's going to happen and they moved up and grabbed savage last year. because. They had the two picks and so It makes the draft obviously that extra element when you got the two picks and I wouldn't be surprised. If, guys start to fall. If spielman doesn't package a couple of picks. To to jump on either a corner or tackle I i. don't see him doing it for receiver. I think the vikings have learned their lesson. You know you give up moss, and and you jump on Troy Williamson to replace him. You don't do that. You get a guy when it makes sense. Failed to mentioned by the way. Following the show today at one, o'clock, the Fans da fun job of replaying past Viking Games. Over the past few weeks, and they will replay another one although I wouldn't. Categorize this is a fun one. Funny. They're replaying the. Old Five wildcard game between the Vikings and packers field. You may recall the Vikings won that game. At lambofield, thirty, one seventeen Dante culpepper four touchdown passes Brett Farve. Four interceptions I think moss had. I think he had a couple touchdowns in that game. If memory serves I was a tough one, I was a tough one to rebound from. PA was not a lot of fun to talk to the next day as I recall, but you might enjoy it while we'll replay in its entirety from Lambeau Field January of Oh five after the fourth season, the wildcard game. Vikings packers that follows me I at one o'clock so please. You Purple Fans I. Know I want to stay tuned for that. Son Interesting tweet earlier this week. I don't know. If you guys saw Lincoln Riley the Oklahoma coach. I don't know how often he tweets I probably should look back gave. Does this a lot? Maybe twenty of them with different teams, but he just tweeted out. Hashtag packers. And that's all it was. Maybe? He's at a bar with a buddy that hey you wanna get packer fans to go crazy. Just just do this and see what happens. But of course, it had packer twitter sphere going well, what what does that me? Are! The packers GONNA. Get jalen hurts in the second round. Are They GonNa Kenneth? Murray Given Maria Promise if he drops to thirty. Are they going to make a play for CD lamb and jumped up and grabbed the electric receiver. So it's just one of those things where. You know again. Maybe he does that for twenty teams and I just saw that tweet. He just likes to have fun with fan bases. But. It's one of those things now on the back of my head that. Do. The packers end up with sooner before next weekend and was Riley kind of tipping his hand a little bit. I found that interesting. On the subject of the packers looks like we have a fan, check it in funny day for Maple Grove wants to weigh in the head of the draft. How you doing buddy? Great Dave! You've got. What's on your mind today Sir. you know the whole draft tape I would love to see us. Go left by position and more just best player available. I don't think such as much as I love. Backers I would rather get the absolute best player available. At a shot, rather than potentially reaching. For thing that set by draft crush is denzel them, I really hope he has up green and gold. DSL side guy called in the zone yesterday. That's his guy to I the all aboard with that. That's the guy they end up I. I'm going to give you my seven names here in a second. He's one of them. Great tax. Zone date, so I'll jump off, but thank you it. Thanks for the program. Talk to you Dave for sure. I got seven names, and this'll be the last packer conversation relaxed before the emails come in. If Green Bay stays at thirty or even moves back a bit I hope their first pick is one of these seven guys. I mentioned earlier the to stuck inside linebackers, queen and Murray. If either of them are there at thirty, that would be my home run, but they don't typically value that position, so I've got five other names, three receivers and two defensive Lineman my hope is, they stay away from offensive tackle and get one later round to round three row four finally developmental guy play behind Ricky Wagner. It's not an immediate need. I mentioned men's IU and Raider one of those three receivers either bottom the first top of the second I'd be fine with, and there's two defensive Lineman, Ross black clock of Tcu and Justin Matt of week eight from Texas am both those guys could plug in next to Kenny Clarke and really help the run stopping situation which we saw against San Francisco needs. Needs some fixing I don't think the players on the roster are one. It's going to take to stop the best teams in the NFL, so if one of those defensive tackles is sitting there and they take him at thirty I'm all aboard that now. I think that works out just fine, so those are are my wishlist for Green Bay for the Vikes. Picking a twenty two and twenty five I'm taking jeff glad knee at Tcu at cornerback at twenty two. We heard Jordan, Reed. Talk about how he's Zimmer kind of Guy Physical, he could plug right in and be a starting corner. It will with the loss of talent at that position to me. You're going to get you know an instant starter. At twenty two I I would go glad near twenty two and come back at twenty five with a tackle, and whether it's Josh Jones or as Cleveland. If you're staying at twenty five I would. Would take tackle. Maybe it's Austin Jackson. WHOSE GRANDMA PLATE for the pack I I believe historian and heartwarming story about how he kind of gave up his elite athleticism last year to help. His sister is very scary. Health situation maybe knocked him down a bit, but he's healthy. Any of those tackles to be twenty-five would make sense if spielman not enticed to move up or to move out if they make those two picks, I go cornerback tackle in that order and and grabbed two guys that can start immediately for your team. All right. The Saint Paul we go marks joins the program mark log onto the cheesecake show. Hey, thanks for taking the car. Yeah, the telephone last night Youtube, and it happened to be the Vikings and the packers when they were both doing all and I remember some of the good matches between course, Reggie wait how they played against each other. It was a good game, yeah! Like I miss the black and blue, then essential that, but it looks like a good showcase of talent, and you gotta sit and have a good running back back then I know you guys should be big good to just like the Vikings. The hopefully, guys. We have a good team. You know you can play each other pretty tight we used to. Say Yeah I. Think so I. Just hope we have a normal season I think about potentially a season without fans in the stands. If that's even a possibility and I mean that. That's just a killer I mean that's just it makes football almost unbearable and I feel now. I, D like Green, Bay whose economy is completely built around those ten football games, and to not have that I mean they've got money in the coffers, and they'll be fine, but that's what that does to. That city is just a compared to any other city. It's a whole different animal, so we don't know what the season's going to be like, but certainly the pack vikings expect to be right there as playoff teams again. Again and a lot of what happens this this week will determine where they are. How the chips fall, and if they do their homework and grabbed the right guys, that's what makes the draft so fun is if the anticipation and then you think about them all summer, and then finally see him on the field, and and wonder whether they're going to have an immediate impact, and when you've got two of them, you really need to hit it, and so it makes certainly providing fans. Thursday nights going to be so much fun. A Jake. You're my final caller. What do you got for us on this Sunday afternoon? On this beautiful Sunday afternoon day all right so I point I'm a viking, Fan and These are two guys I did not want the packers to get. You mentioned both of them I. Do not want you to get queen from Lsu that inside Linebacker or Justin Jefferson I feel like. That's be two home run. For the packers play for many years that I do not want to with on the other end of that. Let me ask you a question. Let me as a fan. What if Jefferson sitting there at twenty two? Most believe that you still there at twenty one. The Eagles grab him, but if he's sitting there twenty two. Is that something you'd like to see your team do? It's funny. My brother have been arguing over the same thing. He wants Justice Jefferson really really bad i. just feel like we have too many needs that a wide receiver in the draft I would rather attack like a cornerback position there personally. Yeah, I want the I wouldn't be mad with the picks, but it's not what I think would be ideal I feel like that's just too deep. You could get someone in the third round that I'd be happy with and the first one is just too too early for me. I get it. I get it. I be enticed as a packer fan of even moving up high. Maybe just get him so that the packers. Again the. Point Jalen hurts I want to see him in purple some way somehow that means trading both of our third rounders and move into the second. I want Jalen hurts and purple. I think he's GonNa be one of the best quarterbacks in the draft I just worry about our fan base getting upset with Kirk cousins after potential bad game, and then asking for Jalen to comment because. we known to kind of put Kirk to the fire at times, even when it's not his fault. So, what do you think about Jalen and purple? For the purple thanks for calling I, do I think it'd be a great pick ideally in the third round. When you got two picks, she gotTa have that Bonus Pick? You can take hurts to be your quarterback of the future learn behind Kirk for year two. I wouldn't be mad of green Beethoven, the thirty either I I love Jalen hurts to think he's going to be a fantastic quarterback if he goes to the right situation. How Fun is it just to talk about sports again? Something actually happening. Get the last dance tonight. All things MJ in the Bulls burr a couple of hours the next five Sundays. And then, of course, the draft begins Thursday night wall-to-wall coverage on the fan all week long starting tomorrow morning I'll be on with PA at nine twenty. Have a great rest of your Sunday. I'm Dave Syndicate Kopech. You're listening to the fan.

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