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Wall Street Breakfast February 15: What Moved Markets This Week

Wall Street Breakfast

05:19 min | 1 year ago

Wall Street Breakfast February 15: What Moved Markets This Week

"I welcome to health his Wall Street. Breakfast your daily source of market news and analysis. Subscribe to this podcast on Apple podcasts. Podcasts spotify stitcher good morning today is Saturday February fifteenth. And I'm your host. Steve Brown Wall Street breakfast is brought to you. By seeking Alpha premium. Unlock the power of seeking Alpha through our articles data and advanced tools. Try it today. At seeking Alpha Dot com slash premium. Here's what moved markets this week. Stocks Waver between small gains and losses before finishing mostly higher Friday with the p five hundred and Nasdaq closing at new all-time highs following strong earnings from nvidia. And a late day report that the trump administration was considering a tax incentive for Americans to buy stocks investors did lean defensively however as shown gains in the Treasury market and leadership from the real estate and utilities sectors. Perhaps as a precaution in front of the three day weekend but despite continued increases at Corona virus cases in China stock still secured back toback weekly gains with the Dow Jones Index rising one percent the S. and P. Five hundred eighty one point six percent and the Nasdaq rallying two point two percent according to Fed. Chair Jerome Powell. The Fed has also closely monitoring the deadly outbreak of the corona virus which is now officially named Colvin Nineteen while the outbreak could lead to disruptions in China that spillover to the rest of the global economy. He stopped short of saying the outbreak had changed the feds baseline outlook for the US. Economy or the expectation among money members of the William C. That rates will remain on. Hold this year. The Mobile World Congress has officially been canceled with swabs of individual companies pulling out of the exhibition over the past week the Ama Telecoms Association that hosts to get together has called off the February. Four th through twenty seventh event fears over the corona virus outbreak were to blame despite assurances from local and national health officials that it would have been safe to hold it the mobile world. Congress draws more than one hundred thousand visitors to Barcelona and is known as the year's biggest event for the telecom industry. Just what it looked like the deal was done the merger of Sprint and T. Mobile is again in question. Deutsche Telekom the parent company of Tiba Will U. S. is pressing to renegotiate the terms of the takeover as shares and performance of sprint have deteriorated since the deal was announced sources told the Financial Times the move is opposed by sprints controlling shareholder Soft Bank of Japan according to people close to its chairman Masayoshi Sun. Although at the end of January Tesla played down. The effect of Corona virus will have on its operations. It's twenty nine thousand nine ten K. Filings said the epidemics affect on global supply chain is unknown if the epidemic persist for an extended period of time in the filings risk factors section. It said expenses and delays could have a material adverse impact on our business operating results and financial condition. Royal Caribbean has canceled a total of eighteen ceilings in Southeast Asia and modified several itineraries causing an estimated impact on its financial performance of about sixty five cents per share. Royal Caribbean said of the company. Were to cancel all of its remaining sailings in Asia through the end of April which is not currently planned. It would hurt. It's twenty twenty financial performance by an additional fifty five cents per share worries about the European economy emerged on Wednesday. The euro fell to its weakest level against the dollar since twenty seventeen on top economy impacts from the corona virus are likely this in Germany into recession while wish bank expects to post contraction in the fourth quarter also weighing on sentiment is a lingering secession battle at the top of the German government a slump in euro-zone industrial output and fears about the financial health of Italy. The United States has charged for Chinese military officers with the hacking of major credit reporting agency. Equifax in twenty seventeen and making off with sensitive personal data on about one hundred and forty five million Americans the US government. Does it normally bring criminal charges against members of another country's military or intelligence services outside of the US according to the US Attorney General? William P bar but there are exceptions in cases of indiscriminate theft of vast amounts of sensitive personal data of Civilians Wall Street. Breakfast is brought to you. By seeking premium unlock the power of seeking Alpha at seeking dot com slash premium. If you enjoyed. Today's podcast plead to be sure to rate and review it below. Your feedback is deeply appreciated. That concludes today's wall breakfast. Thank you for listening for the best investment analysis and news on the Web Dot Com. Subscribe to this podcast on Apple. Podcast Google podcasts. Spotify stitcher you can sign up for other podcast behind the idea. Referees let's Hook ups cannabis investing podcast and Marketplace Roundtable. Almost ends as well a great day.

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Tue. 09/22  Quibi Is Exploring Options

Techmeme Ride Home

18:27 min | 9 months ago

Tue. 09/22 Quibi Is Exploring Options

"Welcome to the right home for Tuesday September. Twenty Second Twenty Twenty Brian McCullough today qube is exploring its options as they say, the Google antitrust suit could come as early as next week. Why do you have to return the entire apple? Watch. If your wristband doesn't fit the CIA has a new plan to compete with Silicon Valley for talent the SEC and OC sign off on staple coins and the strategy behind Microsoft's big play for Bethesda, here's what you missed today in the world of. God lead with this Don I. sources are telling The Wall Street Journal that he is exploring several strategic options including a possible sale raising another round of funding or going public through a merger with a SPEC quote could be as working with advisors to review its options. The review process is a sign of strain. QUBE has struggled to meet its subscriber targets after making its debut in the throes of the coronavirus crisis the company is on pace to miss its initial paid subscriber target by a large margin according to a person familiar with the matter qube is also facing a patent lawsuit backed by a deep pocketed fo and has disappointed advertisers with it's lower than expected viewership end quote. Yet. Did we talk about this? I don't remember Qube is being sued by Interactive Video, company Echo, which says that that turns thou- technology of cookies where depending on how you hold the phone switching from landscape to portrait the video you're watching shifts in a pleasing way echo says that that's their tech and their litigation is being funded by Hedge Fund Elliott Management and billionaire Paul Singer. It would be ironic if qube was sunk by the one thing that they did that was actually innovative although I guess that's what's being litigated. If it actually was innovative, most people think that he does have money in the bank for at least several months of runway. But if a lawsuit looks like it won't go their way. As you can imagine a ton of snark was on the Internet around this like Zach Kukoc tweeted quote. No you can't just sell worthless assets to retail investors through a SPEC QUBE HA greater fool theory goes burr. And a Sharma tweeted a not insane idea actually quote what if qube became the premium tier of Tiktok I am only sort of kidding and quote. Leaving this here as a placeholder so you'll be it k if it actually does come to pass sources are telling The Washington Post that the Department of Justice is briefing State Attorneys General Tomorrow about its plan to file an antitrust lawsuit against Google AK switch, it might file an announce as early as next week quote the department had been eyeing a September lawsuit against Google US Attorney General William P bar. This summer sought to speed up the agencies work overruling dozens of federal agents who said they needed additional time before they could file a case against Google the. Washington Post previously reported state attorneys general meanwhile embarked on their own bipartisan pro last summer in inquiry led by. Texas. Attorney. General Ken Paxton that to has broadened considerably since Democratic and republican state leaders announced their intentions from the steps of the Supreme Court in Washington. It remains unclear which states may ultimately join the Justice Department in any lawsuit at files in the coming days or whether they could file their own additional complaints. Some democratic attorneys general have also signalled. They may want to wait until after the two thousand twenty presidential election before deciding their next steps and quote. You know how the Apple Watch got those cool new wrist bands with the new apple watches the ones that don't have a class B just sort of stretch them onto your wrist. You would think that sizing those correctly would probably be doubly important and it turns out you would be right but here's a wrinkle. Customers who chose the solo loop or braided solo loop with a new Apple Watch six or Apple Watch Se. If the loop turns out not to be the right size if it doesn't fit properly, those customers might have to return the entire Apple Watch the whole kit and caboodle just to get a new band with the proper size. Quoting macrumors unfortunately, there are limited supplies of the new Apple Watch series, six models and the new bands. So customers forced to make a return are now having to wait from late October late November for a new Apple Watch depending on the model chosen. There are complaints about apple's return policy for the Apple. Watch bands on twitter and a long discussion of the subtler loop and braided. So Luke bans on the. macrumors, forums Apple Watch models that are not fitting properly must be returned in full and apple's online support staff has been offering no alternative because these bands are not adjustable. Apple sells each one in nine different sizes to make sure each person gets a snug fit. Get the right size. Apple offers a printable tool, a pdf and also measurement comparisons so you can estimate size, but it turns out that sizing isn't Accurate and quote. On the reliance, watch sources are telling, Bloomberg, that reliance is in talks with manufacturers to develop a phone that will retail in the neighborhood of fifty four dollars us. Of course, it will not be sold in the US this is targeting the Indian market and it will run android and reliance is aiming for sales in India of around two hundred, million units in the next two years or so. So number one more signs of the reliant strategy to own at the Indian market and number two shots across the bow. To Apple's ambitions in India for the IPHONE, but especially shot about two jammies smartphone ambitions there as well. Quote India's Most Valuable Company is in talks with domestic assemblers to make version of its Geo phone that would run on Google's android and costs about four thousand rupees said the people asking not to be identified since the plans are private the inexpensive phones. will be marketed with low cost wireless plans from reliance Jio The parent company's carrier they said, reliance Chairman Lukashenko Bonnie is aiming to remake the country smartphone industry much like he did in wireless services where his aggressive prices and simple plans quickly made him the dominant force. The billionaire is also aligning himself with the Indian government's plans to build more domestic manufacturing. A possible boost for local assemblers like Dixon Technologies, India love international and Carbon Mobile's reliance in July struck a broad alliance with Google in which the alphabet unit would invest four and a half billion dollars and cooperate on technology initiatives. The partnership is still under regulatory. Review. So reliance is proceeding with the mobile phone initiative on its own for now and quote. But nonetheless, that piece of the puzzle involving the Google investment in reliance now makes a sense obviously. For the first time ever the Securities and Exchange Commission and the US Office of the comptroller of currency have issued detailed guidance on crypto currencies backed by Fiat currency saying national banks can provide services to such stable coin issuers in the US quoting coin desk stable coin issues have been using US banks for years, but in an unclear regulatory environment now the OCC wants federally regulated banks to feel comfortable providing services to stable coin issues. It said in a press release, an accompanying interpretive letter signed by Senior Deputy Controller Jonathan Gould explained that. While bankers should conduct due diligence and ensure they assess the risks of banking any stable coin issues. Stable coins are becoming increasingly popular. The letter specifies it refers to stable coins backed on a one to one basis. By Fiat. Currencies quote national banks and Federal Savings Associations currently engage in stable coin related activities, involving billions of dollars each day this opinion provides greater regulatory certainty for banks within the federal banking system to provide those clients, services and a safe and sound manner acting comptroller of the Currency Brian Brooks said in a statement and quote. As. I said all this week. I'm going to tell you about how I've finally bitten the bullet and used Alexa to make my home into a smart home. It's actually super simple. You just start with an Amazon smart lighting bundle and right now Amazon Alexa is offering a special smart lighting just for listeners of this show to try out for yourself more on that in a second with school being at least partially remote. Again, this fall Mexico's the school certain days penny certain other days, and then it's just zoom calls. The whole rest of the time I needed ideas for how to create focus time for the kids. 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But now you can also buy in a way that is quick safe and involves limited social contact look for pay pal touch free qr codes at your favorite local businesses because as always pay pal is making it easy to pay safely quickly and easily download the pay pal APP today terms and conditions apply. The Central Intelligence Agency has announced CI labs, a skunkworks operation that will let it's A profit from their inventions in fields like. Data analytics and quantum computing quitting MIT technology review. The CIA has long been a place cutting edge technology is research developed and realized and wants to lead Infield like artificial intelligence and biotechnology. However, recruiting and retaining the talent capable of building these tools is a challenge on many levels especially, since a spy agency can't match Silicon Valley salaries, reputations and patents. The agency solution is CIA labs. A. New skunkworks that will attempt to recruit and retain technical talent by offering incentives to those who work there under the new initiative announced today CIA. Officers will be able for the first time to publicly file patents on the intellectual property they work on and collect a portion of the prophets. The agency will take the rest of the Balance Don Mary who heads the agency Science and Technology Directorate says the best case scenario is that the agencies research and development could end up paying for itself. It's not the first time. The agency has worked too commercialized technology. It helped develop. The agency already sponsors its own venture capital firm in Coutel, which has banked companies including keyhole. The core technology that now makes up Google Earth Merrick says, the maintains relationships with a variety of. Other venture capitalists with the same goal. It also works closely with other arms of government like the intelligence advanced research projects activity to do basic and expensive research where the private sector and academia off adult deliver the goods what CIA labs aims to do differently is focus inward to attract and then keep more scientists and engineers and become a research partner to academia and Industry and quote. Microsoft has released an overhauled box APP for android into. Beta. That includes the ability to remotely play xbox. Games streamed directly from your console quoting the verge, the xbox remote play feature not previously console streaming lets you remotely connect to xbox one console and play games you've already downloaded to it. This is different from Microsoft's x cloud service as anyone with an android phone can now stream. Directly from their own xbox, one console X. cloud currently only works with Xbox game pass ultimate titles and Games are streamed from Microsoft's cloud servers instead and quote. But. Since we're on Microsoft and games Microsoft has also come out and said that it does intend to honor. Bethesda 's currently announced ps five. However. It will assess bringing future games to other councils on a case by case basis quoting Bloomberg. Nadal said Microsoft may consider releasing games on other platforms in the future quote when we think about strategy whether it's in gaming or any other of Microsoft each layer has to stand on its own for what it brings. When we talk about our content, we want our content to be broadly available and quote. which sounds to me like, yeah, we'll say we'll work with anybody in the future, but in reality down the road, we'll see because. This, is all about exclusives in a streaming gaming world. Things will start to look a lot like they do in the streaming video world. You'll subscribe to the service that has the Games you want just like you now subscribe to the service that has the shows you want with the Bethesda acquisition Microsoft has expanded its game studios from fifteen to twenty three and added hit Bethesda franchises to Xbox game pass already this is a long term. Strategic play and it is all about exclusives quoting Geekwire in a research note Monday wedbush analyst Daniel is wrote quote while Microsoft is firmly well entrenched on the cloud front, which is a two horse race with aws. It's consumer strategy has been on a treadmill as heavily tied to the mature windows environment while xbox gaming been successful Microsoft recognizes its need for consumer based Revenue Growth, which we believe this deal will directly help drive along an quote. Finally today, it's sort of got lost in the tides of history, but the first commercially available foldable phone didn't actually come from Samsung. The first foldable was actually the Royal Flex Pie that phone was a bit of a bust as frankly all the first genitals were but royal has gone back to the drawing board and refined things a bit with the new Flex Pie, to formerly launching today in China starting at nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight, yuan, or roughly fourteen, hundred and seventy one dollars us the verge got a hold of a video demo of this device which you can see in the linked piece in the show notes and the Virgin take is as follows quote. It looks fairly sleek at six point, three millimeters thick when flat point eight millimeters folded, it's not nearly as thin as the dual screen Microsoft surface duo, but it sounds thinner then Samsung's galaxy Z fold to at six point nine millimeters frame including camera and bulging sixteen point eight millimeters folded hinge royal claims its new specially designed hinge has no gap, which apparently is PR speak for a very small gap of about one millimeter or so that's seven point eight inch screen might be a weak spot though royal says nothing about glass. So it's presumably plastic and at a somewhat lower nineteen, twenty by fourteen. Forty resolution than it Samsung and dual screen. Microsoft rivals these days that's a pretty big screen for that few pixels, and of course, we're talking about a single fully exposed screen that you'll be folding in half with nothing to speak of on the other side of the phone. The rest of the specs seem fairly competitive however, a flagship call com snapdragon eight, sixty, five processor eight gigabytes or twelve gigabytes of Ram two, hundred, fifty, six gigabytes or five twelve gigabytes of storage, a forty, four, fifty m h battery and five G. support with an array of four cameras sixty four mega pixels wide sixteen megapixel. Eight megapixel with three times, Optical Zoom and eight thirty, two megapixel portrait camera for selfies though all four cameras are facing you anyhow there's also a pair of Stereo speakers to Sim card slots Wifi six and USB. Charging and quote. I think I say this every year but it Really. Is the best season in New York City. There's Paris, of course in the spring. But it's NYC in the fall. Believe me actually October is the best month to visit if you're thinking of doing. So wait for the leaves to actually starts to fall, and despite the fact that we got designated as an anarchy city or something yesterday. I assure you. There is very little anarchy outside my window at the moment unless you count the fight between the strollers and the bicyclists on prospect Park West that happens every day gets quite heated. Talk Tomorrow.

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The SPECIAL Mueller Report Summary Report 3.25.19

The Daily Zeitgeist

38:03 min | 2 years ago

The SPECIAL Mueller Report Summary Report 3.25.19

"This guy has killed somebody. You don't know who he is. He's left his DNA. And he is out there potentially going to kill other people lay help police have submitted letters and envelopes from the zodiac killer to a private lab to obtain a DNA profile, so he's probably very worried, and he should be because people like me not gonna stop on March twenty sixth. Monster zodiac killer reaches its conclusion listening subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Philo the internet and welcomes two at the sewed. Episode special of dirt dailies, I my name is Jack O'Brien joined by miles. Trey Bruce around host next up super producer. It is Monday March twenty fifth two thousand nineteen it is early and tweet early west coast time, and we wanted to issue special report Muller invested. Yeah. And what we know. Don't know. And what we continue as just to not know because we still don't know because. Yeah. I mean, we haven't seen the report. I mean. Yeah. Okay. So we got the summary yesterday where William bar said, look, I don't really have any evidence that anyone in the Trump camp or in his committee or campaign directly coordinated with the Russian government during the election for any kind of interference rand also zero obstruction of Justice. And you know, the president has taken that to spike the football wait did he say zero obstruction of Justice? He said, he said the fact. Find no reason to charge. There's no that they had there isn't enough to charge. The put that was not a quote from the Muller report that was bars that's on account. Right. So here's the thing. Right. If we just we can take it from how the president is looking at it where he says. No collusion. And I mean, this is how the media is reacting to it as well. We're we've got the front page of drudge Trump wins exclamation point. And the front page the main article on the New Yorker Trump wins exclamation point. So I think those are the two ends of the spectrum. So this is how the media is taking this. And I think that that's probably a good starting point. Is this is how it's being interpreted, right? Yeah. Is the I mean, if you look it's that they haven't they haven't found enough evidence to say that the president was guilty or anyone in the campaign was guilty of the hack in leak shit specifically. Right. And that's the Wiki leaks the hullo Russia, if you're listening type shit all the hacked emails in any of the things that were directly related to people in the US coordinating with very very rigidly defined as the Russian government. So that leaves? Lot of room for like what about all those cutouts of the Russian government like Oliveira Pasqua in Constantine Kalinic and Felix Seder and all these other people. Well, that's a whole other thing. But the media and a lot of the way we're looking at his so narrowly defined this collusion thing that I I guess everyone was just looking specifically at this hacking leak thing when we when we look at sort of all of the activity and behavior of this administration. There's clearly something else going on more to do on a foreign policy level, then sort of the high helped me win election. What are you need to? You know, what you need to get these deals so just playing devil's advocate. You know, we were talking about this before we got on Mike, and you know, I think the reaction to like you seem to have an appetite to continue to pay attention to you know. An investigation into what happened around the election with regards to Trump and his people's relationship to Russia in his people's relationship to other Russian related powers. And the response I've gotten as I've tried to parse the language of bar summary of the Miller report from more centrist people and just people who don't have my level of curiosity is like just move on. It's he's found. No collusion. It's no collusion that that is the verdict. And you know, I I don't know Nick, you were you were kind of making a that general point it seemed like basically that. Yeah. That that. Although there's I'm sure we'll in the report comes out there's going to be all sorts of shady shit. You know, and the is specifically on their obstruction part like the drafting of the Don jR, letter, and and some other stuff, but like nothing is basically this is this is the verdict. They're not going to get him out by impeaching him. Right. Therefore, the smartest play for the Democrats is to say, let's not let's not spend the next two years. Trying to say oh Muller. We need to check his homework. We need all underlying evidence. And we're going to do this investigation. All over again. Ourselves granny think somehow they missed something or they didn't read and get it. Right. I think that that's the wrong play turn it into a political issue is the other option b like this guy is shady guys. You know, he's he's celebrating a great victory that only a few of his campaign officials are in federal prison. Right. You know what? I mean. Like, yes. Do it that way. Yeah. And pled guilty. Well, and I think, you know, at the very minimum batch will report has to come out. Because we're only going off of William bars assessment of the mullahs report. Right. We have the bar summary of the mullahs report. And again, someone who as we all know, his whole we res- on debt in terms of becoming AG was because he he had voiced all these opinions that the president could not be charged with obstruction of Justice while sitting in office that was like he he he drafted that MO or that letter that was like sort of his I dish in tape. And that's when he became on. He came on Trump world's radar being like, oh, yeah. This would be good guy for turning general. But the, but the is important remember that that is the official Justice department policy and was before he wrote them. No, right. But even then he was even eviscerating what Muller was doing to and had a very clear stance of like, oh, I think this is wholly inappropriate. He also like was willing to stretch his mind in any way because again Muller he left that determination to William barn, rod Rosenstein. And he said, here's my evidence. Exact here's a case. While you totally could charge. Bring obstruction charges. Here's why you might not be able to. But I'll leave that to you. And it seems like William bar took the very, you know, I'm look, I'm no lawyer, we raise I'm just some guy in but the whole his determination and seems like because there was no crime of collusion for the hack in leak thing. He's using that to excuse any of the actions that might be looked at as obstruction because well, if there was no crime, then as you read obstruction being crime rate, right? They they did play a little fast and loose with that stuff. And I think that's where people are getting a little bit pissed off as being like, well, what about all this other stuff because it's not just hacking leak that stinks of shit with this whole presidency in this whole administration. I mean, one of this is was brought up in a thread that you for us. This morning was just the idea that there was a, you know. You know, the there was a relationship with Russia, and, you know, then the Republican platform like at our NC shifted in a pro Russia direction, which is seems like a big deal. But it wasn't the deal that people were paying attention to throughout this investigation. Right. It appears sanctioned like like miles was saying foreign policy was kinda traded like there was a lot of like, oh, you know. I I work on the Russia. Sanctions. You know, you guys don't attack us. It's felt very I mean to me it felt like there was you know, like, why was everyone lying like why was Pence? Why was what was his name Flynn? Like, why was everyone lying about their contacts with Russia breath? It was a lot of there's so much blur. There that I'm this is a very frustrating response to me, and it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's hard for me to be like. Okay. So we're just going moving. Oh, yeah. I get stuck because it's like, okay. So you couldn't find because Trump was the one that was throwing fourth all the, hey, guys. I didn't collude with any Russian hackers. There's I'm not here with the IRA. I am not involved with any of that since like, okay. So you've been proven innocent of that. But now see I struggle with not taking him and impeaching him for the obstruction of Justice. Because we know that exists. We'll yeah, we were able to see very clearly we're like, oh, this is this seems very untoward behavior. But I guess again, that's the problem of even trying speculate right now because right now, you know, just like we said on the episode that came out this morning when we were recording. When the, you know, the report came out that we would have the right? We don't know is that we don't know. And we still haven't read what Muller's actual report is. We don't know what you know, specifically, he might have because there might be, you know, this is the other thing we were talking about sure Trump has done this thing where he's really good at just doing enough shit that on its face. You're like dude that can't be Lee. Eagle, but there's no legal code or whatever that he's actually violating so flirting with Russia might not be a crime that we've we've defined as a crime. But when you're looking at it is like, oh, you're the president. And you're doing this this looks fucking right role might just be that you a bed president. But not that you're committing crime. And I think just there was a fog of outrage and smoke. I mean, my smart friends on the left and right as opposed to you know, people I know on the right who are like investigate the FBI. Now, it's time to bring down the like, my my actual reasonable friends on the right? And to a certain extent on the far left were pointing out from day one that this was there was never evidence like actual provable evidence of Russian collusion. There was a lot of smoke and like on a you were saying a lot of lying and shit. But maybe politics is a shame. Mm full smoke-filled back room type thing where you know, people get elected president with the help of you know, various shady alliances because they are going to like focusing on a quid pro quo thing as a type of collusion seems a little strange because politics is all quit transact. Yeah. So what one quote that I just wanted to bring out in this like towards the front. Here's from Masha Gessen who is a, you know, a Russian journalist who fled Russia now reds for the New Yorker. I thought she summed up sort of the point of like how people are feeling about the mainstream media at this point pretty well. She. Said that the, you know, there have been various scandals throughout this administration that have been treated as isolated incidents. But Muller was the one story that held our attention like throughout the course, it was the one that like people kept sort of coming back to and, you know, getting excited about which is understandable because it was raising the question of whether the president was a Manchurian candidate type, you know, foreign agent, but the quotas Muller, according to attorney general William P bar has now concluded that the president did not collude with Russia. The dream of the sudden magic resolution to the Trump tragedy has not materialized. The report has not made the case that he is an illegitimate president the political opposition and the media acting as representatives of the public should have been building the case that he is unfit president in a way that did not rely. So. Heavily on the outcome of the Muller investigation, which has always been pitched as the single answer to all our prayers. Right. That's all right. That's that's gonna saying. It's like, yeah. Do now they can still do that though. We the Democrats if they're smart will do that from now, they will say this is a political. We're going to do this on the political field as opposed to the legal field because Donald Trump has spent his life in this gray area of just shy of a crime. It's unethical shitty. And everything he's definitely committed other crimes committed other crimes completely benching in terms of Russia. Right. Like, it's it is potentially a potent political point to to harp on right? You know, his behavior with regard to this stuff. But if you go if you screw it up, and you go like, oh, no, we're still hoping to get a legal win here. That's when you can blow it as a as, and I think we've just constantly throughout this show of always been like, look, dude, no matter what this thing says, it's not going to be the measure like because on one hand. The the atmosphere in the country's way to charge politically that even if this document or the report was like, oh, yeah. Here it all is you would have half the country being like, this is a fucking farce rape and shit show and wouldn't help anything it would actually remedy the actual damage that's been done in this country that you would only exacerbated. But again, honestly think there would be there would be really really broad and deep problems in the United States head. He found the thing that I think a lot of people were suspecting he was going to fund the I think people on both sides. We're just invested in one way or another that this thing would you know, whatever he's gonna come up with will fully exonerate, the president it hasn't and the document. I mean, even William bars things like it's also does not exonerate the president, right but cut to President Trump going fully exonerated so much unite tip your waitress. And yeah, I think the again we have to see the fucking report. We just I guess I wanted to point four move on. We at this time. We just don't we just don't know. We don't know. That's interesting. Yeah. And we like. And I think again, this is very narrow like great. You've you've found that the hack in leak part. They you haven't found any direct coordination with them in the Russian government. Right. And that sort of like what the the words are that? I mean, so here the assumptions that are going into any broad reading of this. I think we're assuming that molar would not have just ended the investigation with a bunch of really intriguing leads out there like that that he looked at these things and was like look for all intents and purposes, this is the rush investigation. This is the investigation into whether there was collusion, and there just wasn't anything there. And also there's an assumption that bar would not bar and Muller our homeys from way back. They like, you know, our each other's. I think Muller is bars. Godfather, if that's possible that might that might be wrong. But. But he that he would not mischaracterize the, you know. You know, the conclusions of the of the investigation in like, a very Broadway that would immediately get you know, thrown back in his face. So I mean, I'm assuming that he is doing his best to you know, put out there. What the what the report is? Like what the general of the report is could be wrong. I just I just knowing what bars whole ammo was coming into that position. I can't really look at his assessment of that and say, oh, there's no obstruction of Justice. Mr. I don't believe obstruction of Justice ever. Like, he notes for sure he came out at Muller and saying the obstruction element of this investigation is ridiculous. He did not agree with that. Right. That's for sure. Yeah. He was already hostile to that portion of the investigation to begin with. So I'm not I'm not going to say that, you know, he's totally lying or whatever. But I can't it's hard for me to fully take that without at least three grains of salt. Yes. But again, and that's why I'm like. This whole thing all the speculation around. This isn't helpful because I just at some point we need to know like what the investigation actually found and then draw your conclusions from there was it was a scope actually too narrow and was the only looking at just a hacking leak portion was he not really giving serious thought to the foreign policy possible quid pro quo things that were going on. Right. I just think even even on that front. It would be weird for bar to mischaracterize at that like like in his paragraph in actual summary about the obstruction part. He's like here's what we look for. And here's why like the reasoning is. It's basically looks like it's two lanes of reasoning one is that they didn't it's very they didn't have sufficient evidence to win a case in court right in very very hard to prove motive, it's everybody's always been sitting in the reporting about this though is here like it's really hard to prove his obstruction because you have to know, what's in somebody's mind, especially and then also that they the thing that you were talking about where you can't obstruct something that's not. A crime rate. But in any case what the the threshold for these guys for Muller, Rosenstein bar is can you win a case in court on these on these subjects that read that's the threshold for them. So like, even if you legally had it like would people just be so over at that? I don't think I think if they had a legal case to make and and he actually makes us physically makes the point like we're not just saying we can't indict the president. Because you can't indict a president. We're saying we didn't find evidence sufficient to pursue this in legally speaking, right? So, you know, it seems to have been a more or less good faith thing to run this all down and again like bark and make this determination. They like, yeah. No, no, no, no, obstruction obstruction. But the report is going to come out. I mean, it's gonna come out. And it's probably gonna find stuff that will Paul Manafort was giving campaign voter information to someone who is known to be tied with Russian intelligence that. Okay. What about that? Or the other things that are going on like, you know, metaphor was lying his they'll as much as he could. And there's just so many other things, and I think that's why it's so odd for even the for the media to say, oh, and I guess and Muller found no, collusion or whatever. Because again, collusion isn't a crime. And we've been so like narrowly using this word that of course, Trump wanted that because it's it it puts it in a box. It's very hard to actually nail down. Right. And then you cut to this moment. And now he can just go a route here. No collusion, but there's all this other shit going on. And I'm sure in the report you're gonna find some really disgusting shit. That's right. And I think that's the problem. And I think maybe we have an issue that we don't have laws setup that are actually nuance enough to understand like in this as we're living in right? People are moving like this. Also, Trump has been moving like this whole like his singular genius is moving like this his been in the shitty world of New York real estate, right? Doing exactly this. Probably right dancing right on the line his whole life. This most people in at least in the in the office of the president weren't as Dacia says he was to do the shit the way he's doing. I mean, granted all presidents have figured out ways to, you know, get the right at Dun rite in the way that he started like in your face kind of doing it people were like, oh, yeah. That's that's new around this town Ray. And we're still like the townspeople not realizing like it's a new era. Yeah. Right. And and that's what everyone's been like can he do that? And that sorta led a show and their show called. Can he do that? I think there's podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. Prob- out onto the Washington Post. Yeah. Also had a very cool headline to which headline. It was something like, oh, there's no Russian collusion or whatever. And I think we have to be a little more nuanced with how we're talking about this. And I don't you know, again, I don't I don't think we this again. Let's let's figure out what the report looks like and go from there. I I'm like so tired of speculating about the cause. A I was never counting on this to fucking cure anything. Right. And then now because the media was like put so much fucking emphasis on this thing. Like now, I feel like we're just kind of at the beginning. This is this is really where we're going to start could be. Yeah. I mean, I think again the one thing to consider is in twenty twenty the like the idea about Russian interference or Russia or whatever is very low on voters priority list. Right. And I think that is something to consider granted as a as a country. We also need to protect our democracy and not. Allow things like this to happen. But I think that's where it's the balancing act of like go ahead and do all that stuff figure out like get to the bottom of this. But don't don't make that the brand going into. We'll just do picture of the man like, you know, you take everything that we know about him into Taliban, and this can be one little detail of it like the Coen testimony excuse me, you know, like this. This is how this guy roles. I mean, the stinky in Helsinki wasn't if that was because that's just how he deals with foreign powers. And it wasn't that. They were in cahoots be that's almost more damning than he has no spine. Right. It is consistent with other with these other with us stronger territory. And yeah, you know, it's not inconsistent rate. Yeah. So let's take a quick break. I want to talk about the mainstream media in why just sort of psychoanalyze them a little bit after the break. This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to whet your appetite right now, I'm a little terrified because I don't know what a podcast is. Let's take some calls. Caller, number one. You're on with Ron burgundy what's on your mind? Collars, no callers. No. Because people aren't listening in real time. Schick got it. If you are listening to this and have downloaded by mistake. Please turn it off. Now, turn it off. No, we have we live. So the whole crews here. Okay. All right. Okay. So if you're Torres your horoscope is come on pull you together. I saw you defecate was reduced to my basic. Rumba? Billable whatever podcasts found. Indra back and one thing that I have kind of been thinking about a lot in the lead up to this past weekend. And you know, as we've heard rumors that this was going to be a disappointing outcome for people who were putting all their eggs in the Muller basket. I've been wondering how much of this is the people who seem most giddy and over the top like horny for a molar indictment. That would just, you know, Trump being led out of office in handcuffs were, you know, like the crooked media guys, and like the mainstream media angel- Matto, Rachel Maddow, and people who were the most cocky in the run up to the 2016 election of just like there's no way this guy's gonna win. Like, right. So it's almost like this was you know, like Masha Gessen said this. I wonder how much of this pudding all of their weight on the outcome of the Muller investigation. Was there sort of hope for a Hollywood ending where you know, they get the their whole their big. Sinn from two thousand sixteen as undone and it turns out the two thousand sixteen election. Never happened. Right. Yeah. He like, oh, yes. Sorry about that. When we sort of let y'all think it was all good without actually being a little more, honest about what the state of the country was right. Yeah. I mean, I think totally and people I don't know. I mean, if half of it is the coverage, and I think half of peop- like some of the journalists who were just so shocked to think that this is the state of things that it was almost like. Okay. Something as spectacularly awful as this administration will hopefully have just as spectacular solution raise something to it. But yeah, I I don't know when you really do look just sort of how even now they're even sort of analyzing this bar summary in just as narrow away as they were talking about collusion as well. I don't know. I don't know. What it almost feels like that's the blanket statement. That's it. If if Barr says, no collusion than the way, they ran with it that that was the most insane part. Like after read like after I got all the news alerts see, no collusion with the fuck. What the fuck that's all you're thinking for like twenty minutes. And then you know, as soon as I started really getting into it. Then I was like, wait. But there's so much more to this. And I hate this. Because the way I saw it is all anyone all over like across the United States from you know, literally the mid west anyone just takes a look at that goes. Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess you got away with it. And it's like, oh my God. It's not just that like there's so much more. There's so many different nuance. It's crazy to me. And that really. Fucked me up really if anything it just just you need to also present a counterpoint. Okay. The president was not found of directly colluding with the Russian government in in the during a to influence the election. Great very specific, sir. And then you can say still no determination on repeated contacts with Russian officials around these other things too. I think it was. I think it was just in the lying and the right? Just just frame it like that. Because we give too many people live in the headline world headline reality where they go. No collusion. And now a lot of people. I'm sure everyone was talking with their relatives who are on the on the right? Who are like how that work out for? Yeah. There's no collusion and to them you say, it was only found of this very narrow thing. I'm like, please. Explain these other things like what was going on with their lives. Analytica? Now, let the conspiracy theories. Baller was conspiring now or or even or even plainly just say there was no the president's not been exonerated of of obstruction. Or these by stretches emasculate, not exonerate even in the document that you are using to spike said football. It's the word said it's they're saying, but they do exonerate him of collusion collusion. Yes. Yes. Please. Specifically says you yeah, that's a big deal. But it's also kind of a big deal that says this does not like indict him. We also does not exonerate him. That like it's a weird thing for him to put it so to equivocate like that. But it's also like he does use the words this does not exonerate Justice. Yeah. Again, it's like how do you? What do you do with that as the left? So even to the point of that it it could exonerate him of collusion. Right. The only way this would have been proven is if Muller had something so absurd like some Email, which like deer Kremlin. I Donald Trump and ready to conspire like the actual evidence that you would need to really be like. There. It is right. No, no savvy criminal even talks like that even someone like Donald Trump. Right. And you're going to get caught up on some dumb shit like that. And as we learned in the Cohen thing the way Trump does a crime is he just insists on the reality. He wants to be true around the people who make it. So essentially, so he's not saying, okay. Do this crime on my behalf. He saying it would be great if. Yeah. Those crime were committed if that worked out if the if the result of this crime, it's what you say. It is then I love it. So so shift anything happen. Yeah. Bright. So the if it's what she say where it was. Then I love it like that whole thing. Right. That is that's not on its face. You know, we're going to say like, I don't know. I don't know what I was saying. Right. Illegal usually. I don't I didn't know that was a Representative of the rush. Yeah. Right. And if you're working a campaign, you tell me how you do it, and when you were going to campaign, and it's like we're just trying to win and somebody calls you up with on your opponent, right? Yeah. I love it. You're gonna turn down and like you guys are doing. But like it's a priority game, and you can go to that. But if I think I think most people though would have like when you think about who was it in the elections like found the binder and called the FBI ne. Yeah, Al Gore got a UPS the day before a debate with George W Bush that was all of George W Bush's debate prep and rather than even opening it to like look at page one. He just sent it to the FBI right one who won that one. And then got his. They got his ask it 'cause right? But I don't know. I mean, so I mean, I guess the one argument did win that one. I mean, really let's but in the end some really one. Yeah. I mean, I do think I mean. Well, when you look at the I think the historians conclusion of the Florida recount was that Bush would have won. But they got it like in a pretty shitty corrupt way. Like, they got it to be that outcome and appreciated corrupt, but he would have won. Anyway, I I do think a lot of this is going to have to be litigated in the pages of history. Like, that's I think the the horizon, I'm kind of adjusting the truth of this story to. And just like from a practical perspective. I just don't I don't know. What there is. I I do think that it's probably and this is again very early results without having seen the report itself. But I do think it's probably in Trump opponents best interest to now start viewing this as okay? How do we just talk about? He is the president. Right. He is running for reelection. Let's not worry about the legitimacy of his presidency. Let's focus on the effectiveness of his presidency only. And let's let's re interpret all of this shady shit that we were saying, well, maybe he's a Russian agent and be like, no, he's not a Russian agent. This is just how horrible presents. It's just bad at this. And it seemed like the the next a good question. Now is like, okay. So the report does establish that Russia most de. Definitely interfered in the interfered in the election. What are you Donald Trump doing about that like forget about your role in all this stuff? And then know put like just shift the whole thing. Okay. Pretend this is normal life for a second like, you know, right? And that that, you know, but he's I mean, if all of his actions point to the fact that he doesn't care or if anything he's severely wants to inhibit the, you know, law enforcement's ability to respond to. Then you can make the political point that this guy's doing a bad job defending. No, absolutely. And I think that's that's where we have to walk the fine line because on one hand it's so clearly to people like there's an injustice that people feel just by looking at him. There's something so fucking sinister off that like this can't work, and then we're having to balance that with how this political machine actually operates and on one hand. Of course, the the emotional side is just fucking do whatever we have to do to impeach personally just fucking do it. And then, but then we also live in a world where a failed impeachment attempt could have could spectacularly backfire. And then and then we're looking at a guaranteed for more years of Donald Trump that and there's the precedent to like there's going to be some of those going be a democratic president some point. And you you really don't want it to you want it to be this hard to impeach the president. Because if if it's not this hard, that's all will ever do as special counsels and impeachments. Yeah. I mean when you look at a comparison between a special counsel investigations we as. We have throughout the course of this and just kind of that time line and number of indictments. This was a fairly short special counsel investigation when you compare to whitewater when you compare it to Watergate when you compare it to some of these other like per indictment. There were a lot more indictments and a lot less time. But I do think that there was litigated like there was legislation that was passed to limit the powers and make it less of a broad reaching thing than it was under Ken, Ken Starr. And I think that that's probably a good thing in the long run. Even though it does seem like it made it fairly limited this time around. All right. So you know, that's where we're at currently just trying to sort through this stuff. We thought we would kind of check in with you guys and let you know kind of our thoughts on the situation. Obviously the story is gonna. Continue to evolve. And you know, we'll we'll be keeping an eye on it. But anything else anyone else? Just share one thing. Hashtag Monday motivation at like four that was like three in the morning when I was like deepen reading I got into a whole last night as you guys may have seen for my text to you. But there was a moment of absolute insanity where I thought. Kinda tracked to Robert Mueller. And then I was like he looks like Sam eagle? What am I do? I need to go to bed. But it was that moment where I was like there's something so attractive about a man who's really going to have to go through it right now. And then I went to bed because I was like who. Starting to lose my mind. He's probably going to subpoena him too. I mean, the not subpoena Hamburg, call him to come testify would think when you write Jerry Nadler's like trying to bring everybody into the committee to be like what is going on? Right. I mean, the drudge headlines Trump wins, no collusion. No, obstruction with a asterisk no proof of crimes Nadler. It's not over Maxine Mel. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, everybody there. Look a lot of spiking the football right today. You know what? I mean, don't work because motherfuckers took the house into eighteen on issues. I had nothing to do with Trump. Russia. Get you know, like, I know a lot of people are very dejected by I feel bad for you. Because I. Don't put all your eggs in a basket, y'all. But don't worry. There's still time we still don't know guys. And that's just really the bottom line. We just we just don't know what we're gonna have to see that report baby. I mean, the main thing that I think the left has been pointing out as they make fun of more centrists liberal people about their special report is like the thing that people actually care about. Know the tax cuts for the rich and healthcare for all four healthcare for known as. It seems like, you know, on the one hand the traditional political indicators are pretty good like RN Trump's favor when it comes to like, the low unemployment swing states on the other hand, he has like objectively like gone in the opposite direction of the populist moment that he that got him elected. And that seems to be a winning day in politics on both sides. So you know, that that might be the smarter place for people to focus their energies going forward. All right. We're going to now go record a regular episode. But this has been the Muller report report. No the bar summer the bar summary reports the Muller report bar summary report report report cash. This guy has killed somebody. You don't know who he is. He's left his DNA. And he is out there potentially going to kill other people. 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Theres No Real Dirt on the Dems So Far

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Theres No Real Dirt on the Dems So Far

"This show may contain my tips for making money on bitcoin. It won't it. Also may contain explicit language and a really might. It's Thursday April fourth two thousand nineteen from slated the gist. I Mike Pesca I'm here to help you with your Muller report angst. I think we need to raise the bar on the question of will Bill bar bar more than what we know. So far if he does will the attorney general Bill bar, be disbarred. No. But he might be disa- Torney general. You know what I'm saying? Because dissing the attorney general that is what Trump does look I've had my fun with these words word play. I don't even know if it's play just banter bear baiting. The words I believe you have suffered enough. So let me get to the nub of my argument. I do think the Muller report is going to come out. Maybe there will be more reductions than are necessary, but some are necessary. And I am not saying don't worry. I am not advising Representative Jerrold Nadler to not push for this. I am not saying that the White House won't try to do everything it can to suppress it. But I don't think he can do too much to ultimately keep it from your eyes because of these incontrovertible facts one Bob Muller is free to testify about what he found to that. Aforementioned fact is known by bar and Donald Trump wild Donald Trump ever, really know anything if they can cock the right visual. He can be made to know it. So suppression efforts only work for as long as the gap between what you redact, and what Muller says doesn't make you look bad. If you're the White House Muller is not in this to have his report be ignored to have his conclusions. Misstated to have his work, go suppressed and as an avenue to prevent those things from happening and all actors are aware of what the other ones. No. Oh, it's a classic case of game theory. And it seems to me that the only conclusion of the game is that most of the Muller report gets out. I don't know when I don't know how much smarter people than I am like Tim O'Brien, Bloomberg or Steven Bates law fair say it can be a long drawn out fight. I'm skeptical of how long, but I defer to their expertise. I just don't see how it all ends in secrecy forever. And all the concern over Trump muddying the waters or setting the tone or trying to confuse us as to what is signal, and what is noise. Yeah. Of course, he's trying to do that. But they're not working or the extent to which they are working doesn't really matter in the long run. If the long run is let's get our eyes on the Muller report. I mean, Trump can go around claiming full exoneration in direct contradiction of the conclusions. But you know, if page after page, it's redacted it won't seem like an exoneration. It will seem like op few station. Okay. All that said, I read a report in the New York Times today. And I'm a little miffed. I don't know the reporting. I'm not exactly sure what the reporting was saying it was couched in a lot of sources close to and some say, but it seems like there are people on the Muller team who are essentially saying we object to Bill bar issuing a finding of no coordination. But also at the same time. You're the guys who consciously left that decision up to attorney general bar. It seems that Muller or team Muller didn't want that conclusion to be reached will you were some of the few people on earth who could have done something about that. I mean, if that's what's really going on Muller or team Muller is saying something like look, it is really for someone else to decide the criminality of this because you know, enter bar and Rosenstein, we decided not criminal. What oh we didn't think that would be your conclusion. Look, I don't know if my little play let is accurate because here's the leader of the New York Times story, some of Robert S Muller the thirds investigators. Have told associates that attorney general William P bar fell to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry. And that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. bar indicated according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations familiar with their simmering frustrations. You could have gone with set a source close to the service familiar with their simmering frustrations. Yeah. You and me brother, man. The only difference is that one of us got to write the report and the rest of us have to depend on the firm, but respectful demands of Jerry Nadler in the good graces of Bill bar on the show today. I should feel about the dumb criticism attached to all the democratic candidates. Oh, it's not one criticism. They all have their own dumb criticism. But I'm telling you it is not worth your time. But I knew collection of profiles of sports icons, Pat, Riley, Michael. Jordan, Tiger Woods some lesser known figures. Okay. That sounds good. But here's the thing. That makes them great. It's the author right Thomson. The Ted Williams of sports writing for over a decade. He's written for ESPN and his long stories are in event when they come out. And now the collection of a few of them are out in print, and we're ready for an interview. Right. Thompson up next. For two decades. Right. Thompson has been I don't know the preeminent. That sounds like one of the phrases that normal people don't use. But just the best writing about a character attached to the world of sports in a way that takes its time. But also rewards you forgiving of your time a collection of his work is out. It's called the cost of these dreams. Sports, stories and other serious business. Right thompson. Thanks so much for coming in. Then. My pleasure. So I think I know the answer to this. I think it was Bill Simmons. I was listening to someone who raised the good practical point. Why would I put out a collection of work people could just access it? And you can is the answer just the way you revere sports writing and the and maybe the hope that some kid will see all this stuff collected. Like, you did some great sports writer and be a little inspired. I think it's a couple of things one. There's certainly the hope of that that it lives on a bookshelf and has an idea implicit in it that is kept alive by physical. Presence. But also man so I had to read the thing to do the book on tape right which was gong four day. Yeah. But what's interesting to me is they fit together and talk to each other in a way that it's totally surprising to me that I absolutely didn't intend it, it becomes interesting because there is an arc to them when read as a whole, and this is what like maybe ten percent of your output of the big takeout that you've done for just ESPN. If if that tip of the iceberg, it was interesting because I got it down to like thirty. I mean, there's sort of like your kids you both love him and hate him. You know? And so I just couldn't decide I was way too close to it. And Scott moyer's at penguin. Really? I was like you're going to need to do this because I can't I'm, you know, there's no way. Yeah. That you know, I'm going to be able to cut Johnny Menzel, right or each arro-. Right. You know? And so it was interesting and. He's much smarter than I am. And I think that's one of the reasons why it works, both as, you know, individual stories, but there really is a connective tissue. That's cool. The so so you love writing about icons we love reading about icons about legends. But if I may suggest a reason why Menzel which just an a sentence by sentence way. And remember that piece it's not in the book. Maybe a reason that's not in there is that his stories not done. And so you capture a slice of it. But when you put forward the Michael Jordan story and the Pat Reilly story, and maybe these guys her in the twilight of their professional lives. It's a little bit different than talking about Johnny Menzel one. It's also the the central complication pal. Riley's life is not changing. Yes. And and he's not changing. That's that's true for all these guys. I mean, Michael Jordan is not going to suddenly stop being Michael Jordan. It's so interesting. How aware he is though of like the idea that Mike? Jordan from women to North Carolina's dead that Michael Jordan killed him. I mean, he's like he's hyper self aware of that fact, that's impressive and sort of staggering up close because he has spent considerable amount of time and brainwaves on trying to understand what it means to have been Michael Jordan. Yeah. And I think you use the word icon, I think that's a real purposeful word because with the Muhammad Ali story, the conceit of which is to find the one guy who fought Muhammad Ali when he was cashes clay, and he's been lost to history and to you it absolutely is I cannot graffiti and try and try to find the quest for those pieces of the true cross on. That's what you're looking for through people. So sweet Jimmy Robinson is Wade. Sweet Jim so Mohammed Ali felt fifty people. And there's this guy. This lunatic car salesman in New Hampshire who wanted an autograph of all fifty people. So we started collecting some of them are very very easy. He got to about forty. They started getting hard. He was bond passports from relatives and stuff. Yeah. And he got to forty nine in one guy had fallen off the face of the earth and his name was Jim Robinson. They called him. Sweet Jimmy and the story is the quest to find him. And it's so interesting because it really becomes about the idea of identity. Yeah. And like Jeff Pearlman who right used to write for Sports Illustrated writes books now said one time like he knew he needed to stop covering baseball. When people were like we'd made history. He's like no you didn't they're going to do it again next year. You know, what I mean you didn't make history. And you'd think that if you step into a ring with Muhammed Ali if nothing else it grants, you some sort of immortality, and it doesn't, and that's what that story to me is about it's a quest to find a missing boxer. But it really is sort of a meditation on what it means to exist. And what awaits all of us. It's also iron. Had it as a meta journalism story in that there's a lot of quest and seeking going on. But I always found as journalists if you said to me, Mike get this Senator on the phone that'd be easy. If you said to me, Mike get a guy from Kansas who exemplifies I don't know the tariff issue, it'd be really impossible. And then if there was a mystery to it, it would be so hard, and the people we remember the icons we remember as much as we don't even remember them correctly. It's sometimes the people who touched these high cons that are totally race. And you can't like those stories have to find you. Well, that one really did write it in its start before you were at ESPN. Did what was the first time you heard from that New Hampshire car sales? And I was in the newsroom and the Kansas City star. And he called me. So this was what year. Oh, two three. And that story runs in the December nine edition started two thousand and two it was really weird. Because most of the reporting was over town, which is a really bad neighborhood. But the, you know, the ESPN Disney approved hotel. At the time was the short club on south beach. Aw. You know, we're the room services Nobu. So every day I was leaving this hotel and then driving over town spinning all day and then driving back. And so like that ended up like when you rented the car, they were like, oh, sir. We've upgraded, you know, not do that. Do you have a eighty-seven cutlass? But it was that was a wild experience. I mean, I'm in you know, in the more looking at dead bodies. It was it really did become even for me trying to figure out it. What point are you remembered, and you know, it's just fascinating to me to think about like in a thousand years or anyone who Mohammed Ali is much less. We jimmy. Yeah. There's a chance I don't know thousands of long time. And then it gets your get into how much of history is recorded. But also for a couple of decades, he impressed himself upon history in a way that few other people on this, which is really amazing. And like because you know, there's this whole theory that athletes think they're famous and most of them aren't. Yeah. I mean, the number of people who. My mother would recognize right is very small. And I mean, you know, Ali was for the entire time. He was alive the most famous athlete in the world. I mean Muhammad Ali. Michael Jordan in, you know, Mother Theresa probably the three most famous people on the planet. Yeah. And Tiger Woods. I guess for awhile who you also profile then you caught him at a really interesting time. Oh, at the most interesting time, and and that story started out as almost a thought experiment, which is I'm gonna make an excel spreadsheet, and I'm gonna try to account for every single day of his life between the death of our woods and his wife attacking him with that golf club. Yeah. Or allegedly attacking him with that golf club. And that's basically what I attempted to do was just to day by day figure out what he was doing and start to look for the patterns and other people hadn't seen so how much how much we just accounted for in the press someone publicly in an incredible amount. Yeah. So that alone tells you a lot, and then you're also, by the way, the stuff in the press, maybe is not the most important stuff because they're not going to write about, you know, his affair with the waffle house waitress and the press and also so it was a Perkins, and that becomes funny because I have a friend who I can't name for obvious reasons. Who's a pretty big rockstar? So has to check into hotels hundred assumed name and the assumed name. He uses is Orlando Perkins. Sports. Very plausible is in his previous one that he used which was ridiculous was Konya Twitty. Okay. Orlando perkins. Just I mean, it's so funny to go into hotel is Orlando Perkins here. Oh, yes. He's owns fourteen. How articulate you want your subjects to be. I want them to be self aware articulate, we can get to articulate some sometimes when people ask me, you know, if they're athletes would want to know why they should cooperate or why are you doing this? Yeah. You know, my answer a lot of times. It's like, look, I didn't invent this. And you didn't either. But every generation there three or four you and they're twenty or thirty me. Yeah. Let's let's let's just like this is what happened. So you can not want it to happen. But that's like bitch. And at the clouds about rain, it's just something that happens. And so, you know, I don't know why the the world is hungry to know about you. But it is and when you're gone, and I'm gone. They'll be somebody like you. And they'll be somebody like me come to ask him questions. So let's not let's not get into some sort of huge existential debate about why journalists. Exist did has an athlete or sub a profile subject ever been really aware of Richard. Ben, Kramer, or gay talese writing about Joe DiMaggio or the tradition of the great sports. Stroh file that kind of defines a person. It's really interesting. Like, I mean, the oh Epstein are wrote about genius in his grandparent grand uncles wrote gossip and I knew what was happening. Yeah. And that was really interesting. I mean, you know to a lesser degree. You know, there's a story in there about Katrina. And I was interviewing a Pulitzer prize winning columnist for the newspaper there who I used to work with them. Chris rose. Yeah. But it was very weird because he had done it enough to know exactly what I was writing down. And why I was writing it down. And you know, so that was a must have been a profoundly weird experience for him. Because I mean, he knew exactly what I was doing. And. Yeah, I just remember him look and sort of. Like, how did I end up on the other side of this sucks? I want to go back and ask you this. What does that Gary Smith, quote is that I've heard you talk about it is what is the central complication of someone's life, and how on a daily basis to they go about solving and that is shot through the book and shot through your work, and Gary Smith to my mind is the best at what you do is. Okay. So you're you're on your amount Rushmore, right? But guys Smith is up there. I got I got I got a Email from Gary today. Yeah. He's just like ordered mon- today. That's all just go the complication the central complication and what? So I had a psychiatrist there yesterday. She wrote a really interesting book, and she's also a journalist, and what I was asking her was I'm a journalist, and I totally get wanting to figure out a person and see what makes them tick and put them on the page. She has something else inside her that also wants to help them change. I don't know. I don't have that. I don't have that either. But has anyone who's been a profile subject gotten back to you and told you that? Humaid them see things about themselves that they hadn't seen. Yes. Several and I don't want to name them because that feels very personal and also feel that if you asked me that far in to your life there needs to be understanding, then I'm going to be a one and done guy. But yeah, I've had I've had people say that they saw themselves that people be very uncomfortable. You know, I've had stories come up and people's marriage counseling. Uh-huh. Yeah. Which is interesting. And usually the spouse says that old. Yeah. Yeah. So that tells you something this for some reason to be granted a sport. Do you have to have something off or wrong with you or dysfunctional? Does it optimize? Do we select for people who in other walks of life would be seen as you know, at least partly broken. Well, I think I think high ambition and high achievement the people are always broken. And I think that you can't it would be impossible to separate the things we. I love about Bill Clinton from the things. We don't like about Bill Clinton. That's true. And I always thought that was true. But then Barack Obama so far who seems quite normal who does seem quite normal. Yeah. But no one who wants to be president is north. That's true. And so, you know, let's, you know, baby. He's just smarter than again, the people you're seeking out or maybe people with the rough edges, and I like I'm fascinated by the way things in our past continue to exert gravitational pull on us. Now, I'm interested in that. And people I'm writing about that. I would if you and I are left here and went and got a drink. That's what I would be interested in about you. Yeah, I'm interested in about myself. That's really interesting to me is like on some of these stories are all about exploring whether or not there is even such a thing as free will, you know, like like do any of us ever really have a choice or about anything. I tend to think that we do. But not nearly as much as we think we. Do. It's a good question. Maybe I would say something like if I show you Michael Jordan who is Michael Jordan. The answer is more that we don't have a choice. He really didn't have a choice to become that guy. Now, there are a lot of choices. He could've made when he wouldn't be the person who Michael Jordan is the question to for all these people that that, you know, I think remains asked in the third by the pieces, although not by me in them, which maybe a stupid, but like they all want to give back all of these things but gun to their head. If you told Michael Jordan, you could get rid of all of these things that bring you drama and trauma. Now. Would you take them if you had to trade having been Michael Jordan? Yeah. And I don't think any of them would ever give it back. Yeah. So I think that like I think the conflict. Is interesting. And you know, I think that when you're crawling around on people's heads, the it should never be clean. If you have to clean an arc. You're writing fiction. You know, I mean, like people are complicated and multiple things can be true. And I like that. And they stories that it doesn't you're not trying to sort of beat out everything that doesn't prove the thesis. In fact, you won't to be actively proving and disproving something at the same time because we are all both, you know, in the Michael Jordan store, you say the unspoken thread that runs through the criticism is that Jordan didn't understand what was required of retired athlete. What's the answer? The answer is we won't we won't them to get rid of the hard edges that made them great and make themselves cuddly for our consumption and make them appear. You know stars. They're just like us and the point of right Thomson is to do exactly the opposite tear down. Right. Thompson is the author of the cost of these dreams. Sports, stories and other serious business. Thanks for coming in. Right. Absolutely. Thank you. And now, the all seems like I've been thrust or I have thrust myself into the role of defending the Obama Cest centrist candidates in the race club char Buddha Jj Biden, but it goes beyond them because every single democratic candidate has some criticism of them that essentially boils down to yet stupid, and you shouldn't care. I know I'm being too flippant though, it is punchy to say it's stupid, and you shouldn't care. I'm just saying that they're all getting a different piece of criticism. That is a poor criticism. It's not accurate or if it is accurate. It's just not a big deal or if it's a medium deal. It's understandable the explanation. They've given is acceptable in general. It has no bearing on the job. They will do as president everyone has some ding. That really isn't a glancing blow. Everyone has some weakness that really isn't a weakness. Everyone has some charge to grapple with. That is barely something to get exercised over. That's why I say it's stupid, and you shouldn't care. But of course, of course, I don't really mean that I wanna be sensitive about this. I'm not fully dismissing all the charges against all these people, and I don't want to know you as a potential voter your priorities, your ethical codes the process you use to pick a leader, please take into account these charges. These overblown out of context, not really indicative of a true weakness charges go through Amy klobuchar was mean to her staff, she shouldn't have been it may reveal poor temperament, and we shouldn't reward cruelty and yet my care scale. I put it at care con five. It's the least amount of care on the care con scale. Well, still carry maybe a little Joe Biden made women feel inappropriate. It's funny that he's literally the one who was too touchy. And how are the women being described? Oh there too touchy. That's not right still. It's not a crisis. I talked about this all day yesterday. Also care con five Elizabeth Warren claimed a bit more native American heritage than she may have care con less than five more than five. Everyone say it barely gets to care Kahn five, but I am going to come back to Elizabeth Warren in Mike have section Mike. When did you open a caveat section? Well, Jimmy, the caveat section was actually here for a long time. But over the years, it fell into disfavor was ignored and eventually walled off behind the cognitive dissonance section right off recrimination. I'll. But now we've reached aft it and we're bringing it back. Well, my dad swell short Jimmy. But it does come with a caveat. I would hope so it's that you're fired. You've been stealing fruit roll ups on you caught me Mike, but furred carpaccio zero resistible. Anyway, where were we? Oh, yeah. The caveat section. Here's Elizabeth warrants caveat section. Yes. The whole native American thing. It's really no big deal. And if you're a progressive or liberal person, I bet you think that it's no big deal that she made some claim to native American ancestry that might have been a little overblown. So everyone who I know who's definitely voting democrat has that opinion, but all the democrat leaning people but not necessarily locked in. And I talked to these people not talking about the conservatives who just want Democrats bloody themselves, I talked to them too. But I'm talking about friends and relatives who may be voted for Bush or two or John McCain. No, not Trump. I don't really have friends who wants voted for a democrat and my vote for a democrat, but voted for Trump. I have friends who voted for Trump or I know people vote for Trump dip, a little strain on the friendship. But what I'm saying is of my personal survey of people, I know who could very well. And maybe even likely be persuaded to vote democrat. They. All think the Elizabeth Warren thing is kind of a big deal. I don't know if they think it's disqualifying. They all make more of a big deal about it. Then every liberal progressive. I know just putting it out there. And that's why it's in the caveat section. All right. Let's move on. Bernie sanders. His stupid thing that you shouldn't worry about that. He calls himself, a socialist. Who cares? But I'm gonna meet you in the caveat section. Now, you ready for this one? Here's the caveat. It's that he is a socialist. So smearing him. With the label is one thing everyone's going to get smeared with the label, but what you do against Bernie Sanders is you just lay out his agenda or allow him to. And then a lot of Americans are going to say, my tax bill's going to be watt, and he can say, no, no, no, you'll save a lot on the back end. And they're still going to say what that's the caveat capital Harris. Yeah. Here's her thing. When she was a prosecutor, she apparently ready for this prosecuted people and a lot of the time when she was prosecuting people she basically treated. Them like criminals, I know right care con five on that one to better or Rourke. Can't quite put my finger on the bullshit criticism of this guy. See I think if that he's mostly style candidate. And since the critiques of him are also critiques of style. I think they're more or less apt their at least less rooted in the real. I mean, here's a guy who will stand on a coffee counter before he'll take a stand on the issues. I'm not going to give him a care con rating. And now we get to mayor Buddha judge. So here's one criticism. Yeah. He may be gay. But is he really gay? I got the answer. The answer is. Yes, I know because I asked him, and he told me also it's husband says, so so he's gay certainly gave but easy the right amount of gay. But what really is the right amount of gay. Let's take the village people. You got the policemen. The army men, the construction worker, the native American the cowboy and the leatherman people digits was literally one of them right served served. The soldier he oversaw too. Two of them as mayor, and you will be happy to note. I'm not making the obvious. Elizabeth Warren joke about running against the fourth of them. He's not to leatherman. I think that's what we're saying. With the day. Enough thing is not the leatherman. I think we could move on from that. Now, the other thing about people to judge is that it was revealed in a speech for years ago. A state of the city of south bend address. He used the three words all lives matter in a row. He also spoke for I counted thirteen paragraphs about racism diversity policing race and diversity police end diversity police and rates all that stuff. And also, and I think this is notable his explanation is that in realized back, then that all lives matter was what it's become which is sort of fighting words and an insensitive rebuke to black lives matter, and I believe him. I absolutely believe him because if you look at when he made the speech, it was March in two thousand and fifteen and at that point it wasn't so common to say. All lives matter as a stupid rebuttal, Sean Hannity, I mean back in the summer in July of twenty fifteen Morton, Molly was running for president. And he said all lives matter to a crowd of mostly African Americans, and he got some brushback. But it tells you that all lives matter as a Goto insensitive statement about black lives matter was not in the air. Otherwise, Martin O'Malley who wanted to appeal to his audience of African Americans would have said it in writing up that offense Jamal boo who's writing for slate at the time said, quote, it's as if someone responded to an annual breast cancer drive with breast cancer matters, prostate, cancer matters, all cancer matters. It sounds like a dismissal. Indeed, it does. But the reason I quote to point out he needed to clarify that in the piece written in July twenty fifteen what I'm saying is all lives matter had less of a meaning and less of a charge. Then as it does. Now, another example. Of this in June of twenty fifteen Hillary Clinton was speaking before the African American congregants at the Christ the king United church of Christ in fluorescent, Missouri. Here's what you said years later when I was old enough to understand I asked her what kept you going. Her answer was very simple kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter and for her. Notice it got applause from those in attendance. But it also got push back online. And that was three months after p Buddha jig said all lives matter as he addressed tension facing his police department. It was not a response to a question. If black lives matter, which he has affirmed many times including yesterday in an address to the national action network when we assert what should go without saying. But in these times must be said, clearly, and again, and again that black lives matter so back to that twenty fifteen state of the city address, I want to quote from some of the speech leading up to the phrase all lives matter. I don't have a recording of it. But here's what he said. There was no escaping. The fact that the most grievous injustices experienced by minorities in American history were often served at the hands of police officers and every police officer today, even the most forward thinking among them, even police officers who are them. Selves African American is forced to deal with the fact that even if they had nothing personally to do with those injustices the uniform did and so for all the good reasons that our men and women have to be proud of that uniform and the service and sacrifice. It represents. It also remains the case that the uniform has a lot to overcome. I think that's a pretty strong statement. And I think it would please anyone with a commitment to criminal Justice. And I think the three words that also appear in that speech are pretty weak evidence of people to Judas imperfection on the issue. I think we the media activists people who earnestly wanna president worthy of that title in a quest to uproot the current president a man who deals distractions and statements unmourned from their context can all do better than falling into those exact bad habits ourselves. And that's it for today show, peer Vienna. 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"Tonight on all land. Murder charges now filed against the police officer who killed Rashard Brooks family lawyer, Justin Miller and journalist Wesley. Lowery join me tonight. Then Kovin surging Alabama in Texas, and Arizona and in Oklahoma. Thousands of trump's supporters getting ready for the big rally this weekend. And the craven goal of John. Bolt refusing to testify, even though he knew the president was asking China to help them get reelected, the man who presented the impeachment case against Donald, trump joins me that. All in starts right now. Good evening from New York I'm Chris Hayes earlier today officials announced a murder charge in the police killing of twenty-seven-year-old Rashard Brooks. Father four was shot and killed outside a Wendy's restaurant Friday night and the former officer who fired the shots that killed Brooks is now facing eleven charges including felony murder, as well aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The other officer on the scene faces three charges including aggravated assault. Both men must render authorities by tomorrow evening. In announcing the charges, the Fulton County District Attorney Rashard Brooks did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious injury, the officers when he was shot, also pointed to the actions of the officers crucially after the shooting. After Mr Brooks was shot for some period of two minutes and twelve seconds There was no medical attention. Apply Mr Brooks. But when we examined the videotape, and in our discussions with witnesses, what we discovered is during the two minutes and twelve seconds that officer Ralph Actually kick Mr Brooks while he laid on the ground. While, he was there fighting for his life. Secondly from the videotape, we were able to see that the other officer officer bras and actually stood on Mr. Brooks his shoulders. While he was there struggling for his life. The officers had responded to a nine one one call on Friday night. That a man Rashard Brooks was asleep in his car in the Wendy's drive through lane. The falling footage comes from police cameras and the Wendy Surveillance Camera and includes disturbing images. The officers arrived on the scene and knocked on Brooks's window, then had him port side and questioned him for more than twenty five minutes largely about how much he had been drinking that. Officers then administered or surprise detests which they determined that Brooks failed. Officers attempted to handcuff Brooks with trying to break free seen on one of the officers body Cameras Dash Cam footage shows the treatments struggled on the ground and brooks eventually grabbed one of the officers, tasers and just took off running. Officers Chased Brooks. Who pointed the Taser back over his shoulder toward them on the officers, then shot Brooks twice in the back in the back. Later died at a hospital. The district attorney said the tasers had been fired twice before Brooks was shot, which meant it did not work anymore? Something he said. The officers knew there was posed no threat. The killing Rashard Brooks set off a wave of protest, grief in Atlanta and elsewhere Wendy's he was killed will set on fire than twenty four hours of the shooting. The Atlanta police chief had resided now murder charge. Something has historically been quite quite rare for police officers. Who Kill, Americans I would turn now to an attorney for the family of Sharp Brooks Justin, Miller and I ask Mr Miller. Your your reaction to the charging decision today. We think that the charges weren't good That's only step one though we. We've seen charges before and no condition, so we WANNA. See through, sue ADS. Do you think there is a difficult road here for conviction given that we have seen. Other charters in the past that have not resulted in convictions given the ways that police officers in presenting their defense can talk about their personal fear. We saw in in Baltimore of Freddie Gray. Are you concerned about this this this case working? Yes. We are always concerned about that. Because this is what happens off outright, police officers, the charge, the ones who committed these crimes, and then they don't get convicted We just hope this time. The criminal justice system does his job, and we think most of the time it does, but we hope it does this top of the things that we seen in that we heard about today. him being shot in the back when he was eighteen feet away them not rendering aid for two minutes then kicking him when he was laying on the ground is standing on top. Those things are ridiculous, ATR that. There was something else going on here besides just the General Police Stop. Know that Mr Brooks was a father of four, and I just wanted to see how the family's doing has been obviously a brutal week or few days for them. How how is the family? The family is not doing well. I wish I could give a better report than that, but I mean it's hard, you know. He has three little girls, an eight-year-old to your old one year old. Who will no longer see their father in there just really come to the realization that this is a real thing that he will not be walking. Through that door there have been times when when myself my partner Chris. We walk through the door and they look at us. Reconciling. They were looking at us to see if we were their father. Though you know, it's just unfortunate, they're going to have to keep doing the rest of their life. Do you think the the police chiefs resignation was appropriate, given the circumstances and given the facts that we learned today from the district. Attorney. I really don't know I can't really speak on police chief resigned. She didn't really say, but there is an issue in in my opinion with training from the top down just different ways that the police could do better in training to police. Certain community so I can't really speak on her specifically because she didn't say it, but She felt like she needs to resign it. You know that's her choice. Do. You feel it as a family feel that that that that what happened to Mr Brooks and the result in terms of protests and uprising, and now these charges are are part of the sort of broader national conversation in the sort of grief and anguish and civil unrest that we've seen in the wake of police killings. It's it's it's all the same. We represent a John Floyd Georgia George fluids daughter, so we've been Minnesota at Houston. We've been around all of these rallies and protests that we've heard people speaking and sell their pain, and so this situation is no different It is not as clear cut as what happened to mister slate of course. But it is murder. All the same in some of the same factors are at play in this case, just Right just Miller for the family of Sharp Brooks. Thank you for being with me tonight. Thank you very much. Want to turn out as someone who spent a lot of time reporting and writing and thinking about these issues Wesley Lowery. Contributor to the Atlantic correspondent for sixty in six Qube, whose recent story the Atlantic tied to the killing of George, Florida's titled Wide. Minneapolis was the breaking point. Wesley I've been thinking about a lot of your work, particularly about how unlikely it is, it officers get charged even when they get the charge. HOW OFTEN THEY'RE ACQUITTED! In reviewing this incident the tape, were you. were. You surprised that the is actually bringing charges in this case. I was pretty surprised that the DA's read charges in this case end this many charges. And I think it speaks to how drastically public perception has shifted one thing that was true, even in two, thousand, fourteen or twenty fifteen is by the way I do not think there are charges in this case with this video in two thousand fourteen i. just don't think that's where the world wasn't as Tyler, but at the time, people would say what are we supposed to do? We ask follow the letter of the. The law and was to response to them is that we have a largely subjective criminal justice system? You can look at that video and see chargeable crime, but if what you are looking to do is to exonerate the police officer. You can also see the excuses and preemptively see they're not bring. Charges was fascinating was the brain charges not only in the shooting itself, but also stacking the charges for the behavior actor the. Other videos right where the grand jury or the prosecutor will strictly look at us some force right and they will look after they've under the made, did they? They kind of a jerk to them beforehand or afterwards that they punch them, which would be assault rate? What was really interesting to me? Here was that they brought a bunch of charges, not just for the actual shooting. Now the question remains. Can they actually get conviction? If this goes to court, or are they charging the hopes to try to get some type of deal or What was GONNA happen here? Well in that second question, we just spoke to the attorney for the family just to Miller. Who who says this is only the first step we saw. Two, different circumstances, but of course sort of famously in Baltimore. In the aftermath grade, there were officers charged. None of them were were convicted for what happened to Freddie. Gray and I think there's a bunch of factors here, but one of them to go back to your point about sort of subjective judgment. Here is that you know officers can make an argument in these. In these trials, essentially self defense. They were scared for their life. They were terrified of what was happening, and that has proven to be a quite powerful defense. Historically for police officers situation. Certainly the the way the law works as a police officer only has to prove in court convincingly that it was that they reasonably scare. They do not have to prove they were right. It should have been scared. True there actually was a threat. Right? It's are they is beyond a reasonable doubt that an objectively reasonable officer would be scared when you start looking at things such as the the Taser evidence, right, you can see how the prosecutors argue this argument US twice and officers should theoretically know can't use get. You can see the opposite. Argue that it's the heat of the moment you're on the ground in a fight. You can't remember how many times it try to. To take him before all you see is a guy turnaround. Point the Taser scared. You see that argument I'm not going to suggest that that's a reasonable argument right, but you know how that's going to play out right and so I would be a berry surprise beyond beyond that right in front of a judge in front of a jury. It's about what the public is willing to do. Is the public willing to second guess? The baby nervous police officer distort. The case. Basis where there's some pretty clear evidence that perhaps the officer didn't need to kill the person. I'm also. This is an unknowable thing in in the mind of Mr Brooks about moment, but You. Know I think everyone. In America has had the tape. Of of Floyd Staff George Ford staff in their head. And and there's this moment where you see him. He's being handcuffed and he freaks out. I mean he just breaks away and the fear. The Not unreasonable figure that vessel violence will follow you in the hands and custody of a police officer I. was what's going through his head at the time, but I know from your reporting that that fears omnipresent in these interactions. Certainly in in, it's not just the presence of the police officers to fear. What happens when you get to the jail? What happens if you get sent to prison, right? We have a punitive carful system. Right that getting arrested can ruin your entire life. Go back to Walter Scott. What is he want on a traffic? Stop is behind a shout. Support knows he's not going to prison, right and so suddenly. It's a totally different. In this case, it's been brought up that perhaps Mr Brooks. We might have had to go back that he would have been parole violation. You get a Dui. Explain an incentive to run away from the rest like this. This is going to upend his entire life falling asleep at Wendy's drive right, and so suddenly the stakes of these interactions are much higher, and it's not just about the behavior of the individual officers, which I also think is up for critique, but rather it's about for a lot of Americans a single interaction with the police officer, or the criminal justice is willing to ruin their entire life, and suddenly it changes the decision makings this incentives for whether or not you cooperate whether or not you. Want to. Come back to something you said here for the final from which is just the row I think we we. Were told to think about the law as the law right that it's sort of independent of the whims of the moment or public opinion, but. Your point here right which juries to put people and the people have views of the world, and they can they they're. They're immersed in the moment socially that like both in the charging decision that juries you're saying is like what we're seeing. This sort of evolution of public opinion that's being captured the polls as being capturing street protest. You think moves towards what actually happens in courts given enough time. Right now get in some cases. There's GonNa. Be Case Law. You've gotta deal with the jury instructions. You have to deal with the way the judges overseas right now. These are all subjective actors who have saying this as well right, but it is really interesting. This is not a video than twenty fourteen. In two thousand, fifteen was very likely to bring results in charges or resulted in the public outcry. We are seeing this way at least among. Multiracial, people black people would have been upset about this. No one else would have been. It would have been a long conversation about you shouldn't have run. Why do you have the Taser? And in this case, even people who are saying that are saying, but this guy should be dead, and that is a complete sea. From even just a few years ago, and it's going to be interesting to see as you start to have juries. If some of that thinking starts come in, might juries become more willing to convict, not telling murder, perhaps some of those lessons. To really really good point Wesley. Lowery who's been doing fantastic work on this for quite some time. Thank you for some time tonight. Chris. Next took a book deals that have taken a stand tonight. We're learning. Just what John Bolton refused to share the president's impeachment jurors when the nation needed to hear it house impeachment lawyer. Daniel Goldman on new allegations. President asked China for Election Max. I'm mainly host of into America podcast from NBC News and Msnbc Join me as we go into the numbers, eight percent of patients don't have insurance right now. into the choices I have to plan a funeral. The age of the grown Averroes, is this gonNa work, and into a way through the importance of music is to keep our spirits up into America a podcast about everyday people and the power that politics policy and a Democrat in shaping our lives new episodes, every Monday and Thursday. Hey everyone. It's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America another black man was killed by police over the weekend this time in Atlanta Rashard. Brooks's twenty seven. The officer who shot Brooks has been fired. The police chief had resigned while across the country protests continue. Why did it have to escalate? Why did there have to be chase if he was running away Let him run. Why did it get to the point where you felt that? You had to chase after him and ultimately use deadly force NBC News Correspondent Blaine Alexander brings us the latest from Georgia, and we talk about the emotional toll of being a black journalist covering this moment. Search, for into America wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. People talk about how the Republican Party is become the Party of Donald. Trump, but I think really it's the party of John Bolt. We're than anyone Bolton's e perfectly representative figure of the Modern Republican Party conservative movement. He served in prominent positions in the last two Republican stations. He's a vicious bureaucratic in fighter. He's duplicitous, untrustworthy, extremely militaristic. He's never been held accountable for all the terrible things he's done in his long career, and there are many. He's a completely morally odious individual. You would not want organization or anywhere around you and yet he is of course, also a Fox News contributor at the highest levels of Republican policy make. Because that's the way the Republican Party in the conservative women are now. Maybe you remember that Broke Bolton was one of the people that broke up the White House pandemic response, unit. Also advocated strenuously for a totally unjustified war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of people John Bolton could spend the rest of his life like lady Macbeth trying to wash the blood off his hands, and it would be there still. And as a testament to just how remarkably credence, this man is remember last fall when all the evidence was coming out about the president manipulating American foreign policy in the grievously corrupt manner of using his power to dig up dirt on political opponent to get a foreign nation to interfere in our elections, and there was a ton of evidence a lot of it. That John Bolton knew all about it. Is Deputy Fiona Hill testified before Congress at Bolton called the whole Ukraine affair a drug deal. But rather than answer the call to testify about what he knew under oath in of the House and the American people in the midst of an impeachment proceeding Bolton fought against testifying instead, he shared his thoughts any private speech, some rich bankers who paid them for it? He also held out for a two million dollar book deal. And now Bolton is attempting to literally cash in on betrayal of his country. Again, all of which is par for the course, the Modern Republican Party. Now the revelations in the book they've been reported to the extent. You can call them revelations there exactly what you would think. Bolton's trump did not want to send funds to Ukraine until they sent him dirt on Hillary Clinton and Joe. Biden justice. He was accused of doing and acquitted by the Republicans in the Senate bulletin says trump told the Chinese premier to go ahead and build concentration camps for the country's Muslim minority. Had A boy. He also says trump pleaded explicitly face to face with she China's premier to quote ensure he'd win the coming election. Wow guess what donald trump is exactly as terrible as we thought, he was and John Bolton is exactly who thought he was as well. Because he didn't say anything about any of this when it happened, he was sitting there the whole time. All these horrible things he's now many Chilean dollars offer. Instead what he did was, he lobbied for over a year to get into position administration then immediately started working on a book, and he could sell instead of telling the American people they were in grave danger, because the country was being run by immoral brute. There are lots of people have every reason to be utterly furious John Bolton every American citizen. The baby, no one so much is our next guest joining me now is Daniel Goldman who served as counsel for the House Democrats during the impeachment of President Trump. Damp. What do you think about I cannot think in my mind of a precedent for this of someone who has information, material or something, as high stakes and important in grave as a constitutional. Lee. Blessed impeachment proceeding who keeps it so that they can sell a seven figure book deal, and then turns around and the book and Criticizes Democrats I. Want To read you this. This is amazing. How Democratic impeachment advocates not been so obsessed with their? Ukraine Blitzkrieg in two thousand and nineteen. How they take time to inquire more systematically about trump's behavior across entire foreign policy, the impeachment outcome might well have been different well. Thanks John What do you think Dan? Well. That's exactly right. Chris We would have loved for John Bolton to come in and tell us about all of the other. Malfeasance and misconduct that the president was entertaining during his. During Bolton's tenure there, and in fact if he had come in and testified as he was requested to do, then we might have expanded the investigation beyond Ukraine. At the end of the day. He chose not to testify. There's no legal reason why he could not testify if he was then going to reveal the same information in a book the only reason I guess are dollar signs. He certainly no patriot, but the thing that is so striking about what we're reading about this book and we still have to read. The whole thing is how consistent it is with the case that we built bolted, not only confer exactly what all of his his lower level employees in the National Security Council and elsewhere in the government confirmed about trump you abusing his power to essentially extort. Extort Ukraine in order to help him with the election, but it was truly what trump's foreign policy was. It was a foreign policy designed to help with his reelection, and that's that is remarkable when you see it as it relates as you just cited to China, there's some discussion about how he wanted to overturn charges against a large Turkish bank to help air to one and Turkey. We'll have to read the book If. People are going to at least read the reporting about it to see what else there was, but it is a truly remarkable picture of a president whose sole purpose is to use his power to get himself reelected. It was always clear. To me at least that the Ukraine was one sliver of what was clearly a broader pattern of behavior, but in the you know the idea that he says Supreme Year, she essentially I need to help me win, so let's bang trade deal. You gotta start buying our farmers soya again. That that everything is instrumental and that, of course, we've also seen in the way. These handle COVID, which is that he in the beginning didn't worry about the. Didn't worry about Americans getting sick and dying worried about how it affects the stock market, and therefore his reelection. Every single thing is instrumental, which is precisely the core of the case that was offered by the people that you work for. No that's exactly right I. Mean Adam Schiff, said it best. which is you know you? You you can't trust Donald trump to do what's right for the country. You can only trust them to do. What's right for himself and Kovin has added bear in a way that is perhaps a little bit more easy to understand than Ukraine you. You mentioned the stock market, but you'll recall even at the beginning of the epidemic at the time and ultimately the pandemic. He didn't want the cruise ship to land, because he didn't want the number of positive test to go up as if he was going to miraculously evaporate the disease, and then later on, he started to effectively use the same kind of extortionate conduct that he did with presidents Alinsky of Ukraine against the Democratic Governors. In order to withhold aid to them that they needed for the dynamic. So you know there's there's an old saying that. I think by Angela, said believe people when they show you. They are the first time and John. Bolton's book just confirms what we saw of Donald Trump in Ukraine what we have seen of him with the pandemic. It is an Bolton, said it. In at least one of the excerpts that I was reading today that he truly believes Donald Trump apparently truly believes that the national interest is what is in his personal interest. He has completely assumed his himself as the state, and it's a very very dangerous situation in a democracy founded on the separation of powers. I mean that was the the fact that he was either unwilling or unable to distinguish between those two things. The national interest is personal political interest that was the core of that was the beating heart of the case against him. Beechman that there wasn't. There was no distinction in his mind. There's also interesting implications here for the Department of Justice has run by William Bar I want i. want to read this. New York Times Mister Bulletin described several episodes where the president expressed willingness to halt criminal investigations to in effect. Give personal favors. Favors to dictators. He liked citing cases involving major firms in China and Turkey pattern, lipoic obstruction of justice as a way of life, which we wouldn't accept Mr Bolden rights adding. He reported his concerns to Attorney General William P bar. It seems like the attorney. General has a lot to answer for. Oh, it sounds like we just lost and Bowman that wishing sound out Dan maybe just getting a chat was losing Dan Goldman. Dangling worked on that impeachment, which seems more more relevant, even though it seems like it happened in another lifetime that was only this year. Dan. You're not here anymore, but thank you. Still Ahead. Wait he's back. He's back. We haven't back. There he is been. Nice to have you back. It's all right. So so. Does seem to me. Like William Bar has a lot to answer for here. Look Bar has a lot to answer for a lot of things and if this is just yet. Another example of certainly what I read that excerpt is that. Bar told bulletin that he was concerned that there was the appearance of trump meddling for political purposes in criminal prosecutions. It didn't seem like William Bar. was really concerned that the president was actually meddling in criminal prosecutions. which is you know again? And there's just a laundry list of these things that have never happened in our in our modern history certainly since Nixon but the notion of bartering criminal charges in order to get personal favors because you're the head of the executive branches is really remarkable, and it's just you know when when we're looking at what's coming ahead. It's it's something that this country and the rule of law just cannot stand for and yet William Bar seems to be enabling exactly that kind of behavior. Striking that everyone basically everybody isn't related to demand comes away thinkings actually worse than they thought after a close where precisely what they thought at least the ones who tell us what it was like a Daniel Goldman. Worked on the house impeachment. Trial. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me Chris, good to see. You. Still Ahead based on the federal response. You might not think there's a pandemic raging in our country, but there is and in some places. It's getting pretty bad pretty quickly. The game the administration is playing with people's lives after this. I'm not sure we will quite get this right now, but the US has surpassed the frontier of the known world when it comes to cove. The pandemic has hit the entire planet different countries getting hit different levels, showing varying degrees of competence and their response to it. But no countries had the trajectory that we have had with the virus. This huge spike followed by a long plateau and we you don't even see in that Pluto or the dangerous spikes, popping up certain places, which brings us to the state of Arizona Arizona is looking really worrisome right now. Hit a record number of new cases yesterday record high hospital capacity at eight five percent new hospitalizations in Texas just search eleven percent in a single day, also hitting a new record high. Several, cities in Alabama are also seeing away. Hospitalize patients with all-time highs in places like Birmingham as well as Montgomery were yesterday the city. Council voted down a proposal ordinance to make it mander mandatory to wear masks tree of doctors who'd waited hours to speak in support of the mass. The council meeting got up and left the chamber disgust after that vote. We know there is no simple trick to deal with Copay, but it really does seem the best to. We have right now are masks. And at this point, we're not just seeing incompetence from the government. It's not that they don't get it. We're seeing something active, egregious willful recklessness. The most stark examples of that right now of course is in Tulsa. The president is giving his first comeback rally on Saturday in the stadium that holds one thousand nine hundred thousand people spite the fact that cases are surging there, too. That's going to be an indoor arena by the way. We're right now. At the cusp of running very high stakes, high risk experiment with our fellow Americans wear instead of taking action, and maybe locking down again in places, experiencing outbreaks or mandating mass. We're just saying. How bad could it get? And when I say we're out, you're on our own pass. The frontier, the known world I say that because. No other country has been willing to take that chance I. Mean Brazil kind of Israel now, but I mean no country that has gone through. We've gone through having seen what the virus can do in Wuhan and Lamberti New York City no one has been willing to take the chance. We have an increasingly abberant, reckless dangerous political faction. That just is not interested in making things safe. Donald Trump wants to style. Himself was a wartime president against this invisible enemy. The Corona virus. Like any war and other wartime leader he takes no responsibility. He exercises no leadership. Now he just flat, surrendering the fight. Instead of leading the charge defeat the virus. Just basically waved the white flag and his retreated. The war, the president is actually engaged now as kind of cultural war against mass, the one thing we know or appear to know works against the virus. He's managed to back himself into a corner corners leader. What almost is starting to feel like a pro covid movement? Today the State of Texas at a new record more than three thousand new cases today alone nearly three thousand hospitalizations. That's an eleven percent increase in hospitalizations yesterday's record. We're seeing Texas Governor Greg Abbott. Hold these corona virus briefings where he just twists himself into these defensive knots, trying to explain why he does not have to take responsibility for the plainly increasing numbers just watch as he walked through the yesterday, discussing the state's previous high new cases. Now there is a reason. Why Hayes County. As well as some other counties have been testing positive at a higher rate. And one of the reasons that we have learned from multiple reports across the state of Texas is that there are certain counties. Where a majority of the people who were tested positive in that county. Are under the age of thirty, and this typically results from people going to bar type settings. Okay. You heard that right so young people are going out to bars That's spreading disease boy who allowed the bars to open the first place all right Texas Governor Greg Abbott. Joining me now is Dr Peter Hotels. He's the dean of the National School of Tropical. Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston Texas. He's been closely tracking. What is going on the state? Corona virus cases and hospitalizations. DETRO- Does I. Nothing that's happening right now in America looks like the worst kind of spiraling out of control outbreaks. We've seen other places. The New York Metro Area Wuhan Lombardi. Are you confident. We can avoid that or we just at the front end of something that might become that in a place like Texas and Arizona. Well right now Chris. The numbers are going up pretty steeply in our metropolitan areas of Texas. Houston's getting hit very hard right now. As! Well, as Dallas Austin and that also in Oklahoma and Arkansas, and then as you as you mentioned in Arizona Pretty Steep steep increases in the number of cases, but I'd like to also mention. It's not just the number of cases. It's the hospitalizations that are going up as well so it's not just a matter of expanded testing. This is a real concern. We're starting to see now. They pile into our Texas medical. Center, which is the world's largest medical center. It's a Medical City of one hundred thousand employees and. And sixty institutions it's the largest medical center in the country here at Houston, and those numbers are filling up as well so we still have a lot of bed. Capacity left ICU capacity. We're not even at half yet, but the numbers are climbing and I don't see what turns this around I. Don't know what people have in mind that's going to suddenly. We're where we're going to suddenly start seeing a decrease I. Some of the projections on the models are pretty apocalyptic looking so I'm quite concerned. I guess the question here is this. The difference between say March now. or at least at least two big differences and Greg Abbott and other pointed out much much better surveillance right, so we've got better is in the virus much much much higher testing capacity. We can track things better than we could in March. When we had essentially non and the thing was moving around. Without US identifying and two, is there a way in which hospital protocols treatment protocols the ways in which hospitals deal with that have learned enough that you can deal with larger numbers in a community that you could say in March. Yeah APPs absolutely you know as my. Is One of our leaders in the Texas Medical Center mark. Wallace who's my boss at the Texas children's a CEO says the Texas medical. Center has heft and he's absolutely right, so we're better prepared, and we'll be able to handle continued increases, but there will reach a point where we will start to see a surge if we let this go on unchecked, so I think we're in the the likelihood is it's going to be inevitable. We're going to have to reimplement social distancing I. don't see I don't see what what else is going to turn this around point. Well that's that's the big question. I mean it right now. To me in the world in terms of the intersection between public health and policy and politics are on Arizona and Texas. Arizona I think even you even more, so which is, we have seen other countries. When they started to see the cases tick up. Take fairly dramatic action again re lockdown portions of the country. That's happened in China in Beijing schools. Were just ended? A bunch of countries have started to see the virus comeback taken fairly dramatic action to Tampa back down. TAP into, Japan. That's happened in. Singapore tapping and South Korea to a certain extent. What happens here if the politics are such of the governing party in Arizona that they just are like Glitz, just see where it goes. Well or look at Texas. You remember how this works. If the best way to fight a viral epidemic with highly transmissible virus pathogens with a vaccine, and we're working to accelerate a vaccine and we've talked about that, but this is not gonna be ready in time for this particular phase of the epidemic. So if you don't have a vaccine, you're fighting this with one hand tied behind your back and the one hand you've got left. Is contact tracing? Its, it's. Surveillance! It's wearing masks, its social distancing, and now what we have unfortunately in Texas as we have a very active and very aggressive fringe group. Now that's. That's resisting social distancing contact tracing. They've put out calls to. Avoid, contact tracing and if we do that, then we have. Nothing left to fight this epidemic, and the rise is going to be very precipitous. My understanding there was actually a letter sent from the mayors of several large cities in Texas to grab it asking him to give them the local authority for mandatory mask ordinances, which they currently don't have, and he refused that. I mean how how important is that right now? Well we do have it's going to be very important because again. We have limitations on what we can do to fight. This epidemic in masks is a key component of it, so I think what we have here in Houston in Harris. County is we have an alert system where the next highest level which is orange We may have to go to read. This trend continues, and that may mean very aggressive implementation of social, distancing back what we did in March. I mean the tragedy is. We were doing pretty well here in. In, Texas in March and April we We saw what was happening in New York and we implemented very aggressive program with social distancing. We did everything right, and then and we never saw that surge on our ICU's in hospitals in our hospitals in Texas, but then the model irs told us like in Seattle the Institute for Health Metrics said. If we really want to do this, right, we have to maintain social distancing throughout the month of May that we can go to containment mode meeting one new case for a million residents. Nobody was willing to do that so now. The numbers are spiking up and we're seeing the consequence. Dr Peter Hotels thank you so much for sharing your expertise tonight. Thank you? Next Senate Republicans Unveiled Police Reform Bill Today Senator Cory Booker joins to break it down and how it falls short after this. Something pretty remarkable happening in majority leader Mitch McConnell Senate because under his leadership. The Senate basically does two things. They confirm right wing judges, and they pass spending bills that they absolutely have to pass. They don't do a lot of other stuff. They don't do a ton of legislating on vexing social issues. They don't try to address problems in American society. It's not whether therefore it's not what happens and Mitch McConnell Senate, but it's pretty striking that arguably the largest street protests in decades are now getting Senate Republicans of all people to move something to the floor for a vote. Today Republicans led by the Senate's only black Republican Tim Scott of south. Carolina introduced a new police reform bill. As might be expected, it's a little less than meets. The eye bill previously introduced by Democrats Republican version does not outright ban chokehold into scourges them offs relies on curbing police to change their behavior rather than mandating new practices for things like no knock warrants. Bill also leaves in place, and this is crucial something called qualified immunity, which largely protects police from being person liable for their actions the job, no matter how regis here with me now, Senator Cory Booker Democrat, of new, Jersey, who's been outspoken on the need for bleach report sponsored a bill that actually would. Qualify immunity for police senator. Let's let's start first with the fact. This is happening, which is just striking to me. That Mitch McConnell, saying they're going to actually have a vote on the floor of the US Senate on a bill. which is not the thing to do unless there's some crisis or you know? Agency of the government needs to be funded what what's going on here? Well, I think what is happening in the communities across this country, all fifty states from suburban towns to big cities and thought dozen plus countries around the around the world there are people demanding change and that voice those voices cannot be ignored, and so the bill that I did which is commonly Harris and the Congressional Black Caucus and other leaders is on I. Tell you it is real reform. It has real consequence for police officers. What I fear is what the Republicans are trying to do right now is to diffuse all of this energy by putting up bills and the president's. Executive order that is heavy on some symbols, but very very light on substance it offers no real teeth or accountability to make real substantive change which what people are demanding. You, know it's interesting. You say that because I have seen activists and organizers and people I think whose politics are. At the sort of left edge of the Democrat coalition I think more radical than than than folks might be an elected office. They said the same thing about Democrats. They basically say. Democrats are offering these reforms to kind of get people out of the streets and sort of give them something to go home, and and go out of the way, and then so that they could essentially preserve the status quo more or less. What do you say to that? I'd love to take a moment and speak to the people that are protesting. Please keep at it. Please stay out of your changed the world and it's the only way from civil rights legislation suffrage legislation Americans disability act a rights to protect LGBTQ Americans, all of them have come through popular persistent protests and right now we've only got about less than forty senators on a bill that actually has the eight pillars that a lot of our civil rights organizations have been asking for. And the only way we get bills passed. That really are cultural changing bills. The workers rights we take for granted for example is from continued sustained determined protests so I. Just Hope Folks will continue to do it. They'll. Continue to disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturb and challenge the moral imagination of this country. You were a juror in the president's impeachment, hearing the impeachment trial, which happened just this year a few months ago in another lifetime. And like other members of the United States Senate Democratic Caucus wanted to try to get John Bolton called to testify tried several votes to make that happen. I'm curious if you have a response to watching him security million dollar book deal, withhold this evidence from. The trial that you are part of a now, put it in a block. I think this is going to be a sad chapter in American history where you see a lot of folks who have kept silent in the face of things that were not only wrong morally, but frankly violated our constitution, and when they had a chance to speak out when they had a chance to speak up. A big big didn't say anything. And when Baltin could have made, a difference is during an impeachment trial things that he's alleging in that book. All our impeachable offenses are contrary to the common values and the ideals of this country, and for him, not to speak as a matter of patriotism, but instead it seems only to get paid. Is just painful, but he's not alone. There are a lot of people who have chosen to remain silent. Out of convenience or fear, or what have you in the face of a president as general, Mattis who's finally speaking up as said, is a danger to our democracy. Yeah I. Mean there is a theme here which is the people that do say something all seem to essentially confirm what we all see every day in front of our faces on twitter, and in the White House. I i. just I really is hard for me. When when there's so much at stake. When it as a guy on the foreign relations committee, where I I see the things that Bolton's alleging. The challenge in China with the concentration camps. Against Muslim citizens of their own country, this is real human rights issues. That these are real violations. When a president was willing to sell his country out for reelection, and now it seems like it wasn't just Ukraine. But the alleged conversations he had with China. Or violation of his oath of office. And so I just in this time where protesters are are art art, forcing many of us to reexamine. Some of the best writing in American history I'm thinking of Martin Luther King who really wrote the letter from Birmingham jail not to? The white SUPREMACISTS KKK members. He won't. It wrote those that letter to white moderates. We said he had more of a problem with not the people that are actually doing the dastardly deeds, but the people that are silent. Complicit. That, are empowering that in of itself, and so this is a Republican Party. They're good good people on both sides of the aisle in America. We demonize each other way too much, but this is a man that is now. Changing the Republican Party forever, putting a stain upon it. This party is allowing itself to be dragged down because it's refusing to call. In fact, the quotes of some of these folks before Donald Trump was elected are are are powerful and tech. I heard Lindsey Graham's words being used to Republicans against trump. Because they're so. So damning, and now this is they were right. This is the. So many. Yeah they were right before they had to be wrong senator. Cory Booker Thank you for making time that does it for all in? You can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on MSNBC don't forget like on facebook. That's facebook dot com slash all in with Chris.

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Ep. 684 - Three Ways an All-Democrat Press Hurts Democrats

The Andrew Klavan Show

45:28 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 684 - Three Ways an All-Democrat Press Hurts Democrats

"The New York Times a former newspaper has published. A bombshell report that maybe the smoking gun that finally gets to the bottom of the tipping point the front page story claims and as God as my witness. I'm not making this up that unnamed sources with unknown relationships to unnamed investigators on the Muller team made unsubstantiated claims that the unnamed investigators made unspecified complaints about the attorney general's description of the mullahs report, but they won't say what those complaints are again, not making this up the times ran the story under the headline some on Muller's team say report was more damaging than bar revealed and claims the unnamed government officials are familiar with the quote simmering frustrations of the unnamed investigators they heard say these things which they won't tell us what they were three reporters have bylines on this story and to other reporters are credited with additional reporting by my count. That means it took five reporters to gather the information that unnamed people heard unnamed people. Make unspecified claims sounds like another times Pulitzer may be already in the mail times editor blithering prevarication the third had high praise for his crack team of five reporters who ran down. These anonymous sources who overheard other anonymous sources say something they won't tell us in a statement released to a really outrage woman in a Brooklyn artisanal coffee shop, Mr. third said, quote, this bombshell could be the smoking gun that marks the beginning of the end when the wall started closing in and the new started tightening, and we finally found out, but at this point, Mr. third burst into uncontrollable Saab's and cried I hate him. I hate him. I would betray every professional practice and principle if I could just destroy him, unquote. It was unclear to whom Mr. third was referring but anonymous sources familiar with unnamed reporters claim those reporters say it was a certain president of the United States, but they won't say which one trigger warning. I'm Andrew klavan. This is the Andrew klavan show. Sticky. Their job. We also say. See Thompson zippy's, so wonderful. To see. So after eight years of scandal free reporting of an Obama administration that used the IRS to silence dissent, lied to the public about the Iran deal. Lied to the public about the Benghazi disaster lied to the public about ObamaCare covered up the fast and furious fiasco, and then stonewalled congress about it until they held the attorney general in contempt and shutdown investigation into a democrat presidential candidate while spine on an opposing presidential campaign on the basis of the democrat candidates oppo research, I think we can safely say that oppress ninety percent populated by Democrats is in the business of covering up for Democrats as I've said before the media acts like a ring of invisibility that allows Democrats to get away with high crimes and misdemeanors undercover of democracy dies in darkness, and I can understand why Democrats love that freedom in the short term. But doesn't it hurt them in the long term after all look what happened to Ghalem when he put on the invisible? -bility ring, he turned all shriveled and evil and blue. Maybe that's what they mean. When they talk about a blue state. Let's. 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Here's the here's some of the times the times lead some of Robert S Muller. The thirds investigators have told associates that attorney general William P bar failed to adequately. Portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. bar indicated according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations. So the investigators told associates, according to government officials that this was going on. I mean and Washington Post as a store they added some details saying that they felt that there was some reason the report of that could have been released in that. There was more evidence of obstruction. Just moments ago, by the way, almost like a minute before I came on the DOJ came out and denied the whole story. They said every page of the mullahs report was stamped with a watermark. That said this page could contain classified information. So it couldn't be released until it was vetted. So none of the summaries that were in it could be released until it was vetted. And I don't know if they actually came out and denied the idea that there was obstruction. But he he was quoted in the report that Muller that was a direct quote from the report that Muller said he had not exonerated Trump did not come to any conclusions on obstruction. So as you know, I'm here at Hillsdale College. And first of all I really have to send a shout out the Scot Bertram. Boy every day this week. We have had a technical crisis. Scot Bertram runs. The radio station at hillsdale. And every day. He has patched this thing together like Apollo thirteen. It has been amazing. We would not be talking to you without him. I would have a little bust of a made to go next to my Aerostat bus. But I that's that's ounce expensive. But anyways, great job. But here I am. Mm at Hillsdale College. And I m v pulling him distinguished fellow in journalism. Right. So from that lofty position from that lofty position, I'm going to ask the following question. Part of a new story is where the information comes from. And you say that's not a question. And you're right. That's not a question part of every new story is where the information come from this one of the most essential parts of a piece of journalism. Where did you get the information? What's their purpose and giving you the information? Why did they do it who where do they stand politically what's their motivation? How do we know it's reliable? We know nothing. This is third hand anonymous sources investigators told associates, according to government officials. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? If I were the New York Times right now, I would be in the bathroom curled up in the corner. Sobbing for the disgrace. I've made myself in my hatred of Donald Trump. This paper used to be a great paper. It really did. I mean, I'm talking back way back in the day like the eight. Eighties. But still still it was a good paper. It was more or less fair. It had liberal leanings. But it was still pretty fair in an anonymous investigators have told anonymous associates, according to government officials, and we can't tell you what they said they won't tell us what they said their story. And of course, and of course, the liberals love at the liberals, this is a big big story. Here's if you just want to get a hit of what the liberals are doing. Here's MSNBC. Chris Matthews reacting to this. This is amazing now comes out with a lot of suspected. I'm sure you did two more had more to say than bar wanted us to hear really maybe it took all these ways to get the truth. But it's coming out. Maybe we're going to find some mazing formation out here that has nothing to do with whether they caught the present with a capital crime. Or not this story keeps breaking on us. We think we got to the bottom. The New York Times has been incredible. Getting no matter. No wonder Trump hates them keep breaking stuff out. And I think minutiae is going to be of no help and getting a tax returns because he's part of that army of toadies now. Now in the executive branch. This is an embarrassing executive branch though. You go on Twitter in the liberals are, oh, that's what a wonderful country that. All this information is coming out. At least the times is honest about one thing. They're honest about their motivations. They say at stake in the dispute right kind of passive voice where nobody's saying this just the New York Times is declaring this to be the truth. At least at least they didn't have three anonymous sources not saying things, but at stake in the dispute the first evidence of ten this is the first evidence of tension between Mr. bar in the special counsel's office, which by the way, it's not evidence of anything, but at stake in the dispute is who shapes the public's initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Muller's team are concerned that because Mr. bar created the first narrative of the special counsel's findings Americans views will have hardened before the investigation's conclusions become public that is an amazing paragraph. That is paragraph that she'd be put into some kind of hall of shame of journalism at stake in this dispute is who shakes shapes the public's initial understanding. So in other words, they want the New York Times wants to get in on the narrative, they've got government officials talking to associates who talked to investigators who won't tell them what they said. And but it's worth putting on the front page because then Chris Matthews can go on and people can go on Twitter, and they it'll help shape the narrative of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Who says who what's consequential about it? Nothing's happened. There's been no indictments has been nothing. If anything's consequential about it has been a massive massive scandal for the FBI led by James Comey for Barack Obama's DOJ, that's the scandal. But they're not covering that scandal. Just a battle for the narrative Nellie, let's I hate to do this to the New York Times because I feel sorry for them unless us a little logic here. Okay. The attorney general is going to release this report. This report is going to come out. Now, maybe they'll be some stuff redacted for classified, you know, for reasons of classified, national security and all this stuff. But basically, we're all going to see what's in the report he wants to. Show. What's in the report? Trump wants the report to show up although recently because he knows the Democrats are making themselves hysterically. He's been trolling them. But he wants them to come out. He didn't care if it comes out to bar put out a letter his letter quoted the report, and he's now trying to get the report out as quickly as he can he's going to be called before congress to testify, right? He's going to be called before congress testify. He's not lying. It's ridiculous. This is not this conspiracy does not exist. There is no cover up. There's nothing going on. There's no news. It's not a new story. It's not if it were new story. They would have some kind of a source who would go online and say, this is what happened anytime Muller wants anytime. Muller wants he can come out and say bars line about me. That's not what the report says. And bar knows it, you know, it's ridiculous. It's it's an absolutely ridiculous illogical story with no sourcing on the front page. I mean, these guys have sacrificed their reputa-. Nation the reputation of a great institution their reputation as journalists have sat if it weren't for the fact that all of journalists is run by Democrats. These guys would be toast. This is an absolutely shameful moment in the history of the New York Times that is just absolutely shameful that they would do this. You know, I've said this. I haven't seen in a long time. But I remember noticing when Trump was running his his incredible talent not for destroying other people for but for getting other people to destroy themselves. He has just it's just a knack. He has it. And it's it really is amazing. And this is what is happening to the times Trump's not destroying the times. Although, of course, he put out a tweet saying, you know, that there are terrible fake newspaper. And it's all fake news as he should. I mean, he's absolutely the right, but it's the times destroying themselves. It's just like when Marco Rubio came out and made those kind of terrible Trumpian jokes about Trump's, and and it just made Rubio, look bad. Somehow Trump is able to do this stuff and get away with it. Because it's him. We all know, it's him. It's kind of what we expect from him. You know, it's it's just like it's a way of talking. It's kind of funny. We're used to it from the apprentice people people like it because he doesn't change when he goes and talks to other people. He doesn't go to some meeting of black Americans and salmon know whiz tied like Hillary Clinton does like she suddenly singing, his spiritual out in the moonlight. You know, it doesn't do any of that. He's the same Trump no matter where he goes and people like it about him. They just he's just very out there as he is. But when other people try to imitate them, they sink to to this. Level that they can't sustain their reputation Kansas sainted, their nature doesn't really fit with the New York Times is now in the mud with Donald Trump at his worst. They're not even in the mud with Donald Trump. When he's on on a roll there in the mud with Donald Trump, and he's doing stuff, even I disapprove of this is it really is shameful. And so what does it do? Obviously, the New York Times is acting as a pure democrat instrument of the Democrats. That's all it's doing. That's all the press is doing. So why does that hurt the Democrats isn't that great for the Democrats will? No, it's not because now you've got all these people who are voters who are once again getting their hopes ginned up once again thinking, oh, boy, this is a scam. You can see him on Twitter. You can see him. Like, just oh, I knew it. I'm this. They said this was the end, but it's just the beginning. And it's all going to fall through. It's all going to fall through because bars, reputation, but bar is a straight guy. He's not there. You know, he didn't like this investigation because it's a hoax because the whole thing is a shame to begin with. But. But you know, he's not going to risk reputation saying the report said one thing, and then when he has to release it it says something else that's going to be ridiculous. That's ridiculous. It's it's just ridiculous storyline. And they're putting out that way. And it just means that the expectations of the people who are supposed to be. Supporting the Democrats are going to be constantly dash. Plus, it makes them stupid. It means when they get in an argument at a dinner party with me and this happened recently. They don't know what they're talking about. An I do, you know, they're reading the New York Times, the New York Times is lying to them with their sources reporting sources reporting sources, and they don't know anything when they say, well, what about this? And I say, oh, yeah. But look, here's the story. And this is what is say says, I win that argument. And they know I win that argument. You can't fool all the people all the time. And at some point even people who aren't paying attention will get it. They will understand. Oh, I get it. This is the press they worked for the Democrats everything they're saying is a lie. Once you do that, the Democrats will law. So that is one important way that having a press, that's all democrat hurts. The Democrats are second way that it hurts. The Democrats is that they disguise the do. This thing. We've been talking about all week. We got it from Shelby Steele. But it's really great observation not. But it's a great observation because it comes from Shelby Steele is a great observation that that the Democrats the left have managed to. Transformed political debates into moral debates, and that is a very dangerous thing to do. Because none of us is righteous. No, not one. Right. So anybody who starts pointing moral fingers is going to get those fingers pointed back, right? This is why Jesus told you, you know, he was just trying to be good friend. He was just trying to be a pal to you. This is why he said that he was without sin. Let him who is without sin. Throw the first stone. Right. Because if you if you don't you're going to get that stone coming right back at you. And that is what happens when the press promotes all the stories that the Democrats want promoted, right? So let's take a look, for instance, at our old pal creepy, Joe Biden, right creepy Joe's. Now, somebody is out to get this guy. We don't know whether it's conservative Mark or or it's the leftist Mark, I suspect it's more from the left side of the democrat party Biden is a front runner. He looks like he's he hasn't even entered the race yet. And he's way ahead in the polls. And this is a classic slow league right of of people coming out. There's. I first of all Biden put out a statement yesterday and let let's take into parts the first part of the statement. He says all this touching. I do all the sniffing of hair all this grabbing of shoulders. That's just the kind of hairpin. I am. Here's the first part of Biden statement. We're coming whole run vision always been directly today. I wanna talk about gestures Pordenone current. I've made to women and so men made them uncomfortable and always trying to be an my career voice tried to make a human connection. That's my responsibility. I think I share cave. I hope people I grabbed men who my shoulders and say, you can do this and. Women men young all the way, I've always been sway. I've tried to show. I care about them. And I listened over the years knowing what I've been through the things that I've faced I found that scores if not hundreds of people come up to me and reached out for solace and comfort something something anything that may open through the tragedy. They're going through and and so just just to him. And then he makes the classic. The classic mistake of actually agreeing to the terms that the democ that the left is set. Right. This is the Stalinist democrat party. So he's got to put up the on. Sorry sign and hang his head as an enemy of the state. And he admits well times have changed. And I'm going to have to show old uncle Joe is going to change with. Here's the second part. I never thought of politics of cold it in septic. I've always started about connecting with people. I said shaking hands hands on the shoulder hug encouragement and now and now it's all about taking selfish together. And I'm social warms of began to change shifted. And the boundaries are protected personal space have been reset. And I get I get I hear what they're saying. I understand it. And I'll be much more mindful. That's my responsibility, my responsibility, and I'll meet, but I always believe governing quite frankly life for that matter is about connecting connect people that will change, but I will be more mindful respectful people's personal space. And that's a good thing. As a good thing. I worked my whole life to empower women I've worked my whole life to Ren abuse written. So the. The idea that I can't adjust to the fact that personal space is important more important than it's ever been is just thinking I will. Okay. So that's Joe Biden fighting back trying to get back in his position get on steady on his feet and then right afterwards. Right. Three additional women. Women. Come forward to say, Joe, Biden touch them in ways that made them uncomfortable. Right after the speech, right? They come out these three women come out. They say, oh, he put his hand on the back of my head. And pressed his foreign to my far while he talked to me. I was so shocked that it was hard to focus on what he was saying. I remember he told me I was a pretty girl. Joe Joe Joe Joe Joe. So that's choreographed. Right. I've been watching this things a long time. We we all have we saw it with Cavanaugh. I told you when it was happening with cavenaugh the way it was going to happen. Another woman's would come forward. Oh, another woman come forward, keep those headlines going as choreographed attack. This is the way it's done as police distinguished fellow of the journalism school at Hillsdale College. Once again, let me say from perch authority, the part of journalists story is where the information comes from. So that's the story here where is this coming from? Whereas Joe Biden coming from. But but here's my point about this. My point about this is this is what they did to Cavanaugh the press supported at one hundred and ten percent, right. This is what they did. Now. Listen to the way the press is covering Joe Biden. Here's this montage. There's a lot of things I know about Joe Biden. I'm don't them for a long time. He is extremely affectionate. He's very affectionate. I find oddly affectionate he is people on the ballot. He shouldn't. He's always touching people's shoulders. I've seen him rub. The shoulders of women and men Joe Biden calls them expressions of affection. He is an affectionate old school politicians ankle Joe as we affectionately call him. He's a very affectionate very likable person. So it's not surprising that he that he behaves in this way that he's quite affectionate. You know, he's just an affectionate guy. Joe Biden, a longtime as many others and have always found him a very emotional man, who is very very affectionate. Everyone in Washington knows that he is a guy who's very affectionate. He's touchy feely he's been doing it his entire life in a an affectionate way. He's very affectionate person. He suffers from being overtly affectionate. Gee, I guess he's affectionate either. So what I was what I'm getting from this. I'm getting that. He's affectionate, right. That he's affect what happened to believe. All women. What happened to them in a woman accuses you you're done. Right. What see this? This is the problem. They had the press set the standard with Clarence Thomas with cavenaugh. We know Anita hill is a living Saint not no word comes out of her mouth that can possibly be doubted. No, absolutely no taint of being a political operative set out to bring down a conservative Justice, a black conservative supreme court Justice. No taint of that may ever touch for holy or holy body. Same thing with Christine blazey Ford. This is the standard, right? This is the standard that's been set. There was no, oh, you know. Kevin is just affectionate. He just will come up to you in like kind of give you a big old smooch in the middle of a fight now. No, no, no, no, no. We we learned this. They told us they told us this the left told us this in now because they've turned this into a moral battle battleground. And none of us is righteous. Suddenly when it bounces back on them. They got a scramble they make themselves. Look like idiots, they make themselves look like hypocrites, and what they're depending on the depending on the fact that we have a conscience the people on the right have a conscience, and my feeling is too bad, pow, you know, what they're depending on is that the the right will say, well, you know, when we were talking about cabinet. We were saying that you know, we were saying that it was overblown, and that we shouldn't there should be proof and this and that will have to apply that same standard. You know? It's politics is the gladiator fight it you can't count on that so oppress that takes every accusation against the right seriously. And especially. A moral plane is going to by nature by absolute inevitability is going have find yourself exposing Democrats to the same charges when they come back at them. Right. So what one pro-trump Trump, Pat pack put out this ad called creepy. Joe Wright creepy. Yeah. Creepy uncle Joe is called. And I it's hilarious. It's a little visuals. Or if you can't see it. It's basically children watching all these various pictures of Joe grabbing hold of people while the lady who I Lucy Flora's who I accused him is talking. So it's kids watching TV where Joe is grabbing people and Lucy floors talking. It happened. Also, suddenly very unexpectedly out of nowhere. I feel a job. I didn't put his hands on my shoulders get up very close to me from behind lean in smell, my hair. And then plant kiss on the top of my head to have the vice-president of the United States. Do that to me so unexpectedly and it's kind of out of nowhere. It was just shocking. It was shocking because he don't expect backside of intimate behavior. You don't expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful and someone who you just have no relationship whatsoever to to touch you to feel you to be so close to you in that way. And it all that creepy music. It says the children are watching you know, we have to show. Anyway, I have to have to sell you one thing if you if you weren't watching if you're just listening that I'm all for this affectionate uncle Joe. And he's just doing all this some of those kids. He's touching looked really uncomfortable. I mean, I gotta say if you're even a little bit aware of the people around you and what other reacting to you. I I would've jumped about a foot away from those kids just because of the looks on their faces. So I'm not so sure that the press isn't defending something that may actually not be as defensible as they'd like to think. But anyway, just when you accept the premise that we are all to be held to these pristine moral standards because you're using that to attack right wingers. It's going to bounce back because none of nobody can live up to those standards. And if you think the right is going to sit there and say, oh, well, you know, yes, you try to do it to us. But we're not going to try to do them days are over its Trump time frigate about it. That's not gonna happen. The third way the third. The way is the most important as far as I'm concerned is that in visibility the invincibility that the press gives the Democrats encourages corruption it encourages corruption when you're invisible it's the gallon rule when you're invisible your gone, and you're gonna just eventually, you know, get worse and worse and worse, you've got Ilan Omar now who is being investigated for spending six thousand dollars in campaign funds on her divorce. I know there are a lot of rumors that she was actually married to her brother. I tried to substantiate those, but they don't look like they're they don't look like they're well grounded. You know? I'm not sure I don't know whether they're true or not. But, but you know, six thousand dollars is not a lot. But still it's kind of easy going corruption that you do when nobody's watching you. When nobody can see you when you know, you're not going to be called out, our old friend, Alexandria, occasional cortex. She's being there's been another a second. I I believe complaint to the Federal Election Commission saying that she and her campaign manager operated a subsidy scheme that ran afoul of campaign finance finance laws. They had. A company that was basically undercharging them, you know, to do favors for them. She's she's denying all this. She says this is a right wing hit job. But listen to the way, she talks she goes on. I guess this is that Facebook instant Facebook thing and she's just throwing Instagram. Thank you. She's just throwing out these these incredible charges against our law enforcement guys on the border. Listen to this. Trying to gauge children the border at inject them with drugs. That's not a mistake that is a deliberate policy to attack people based on their national origin. That's not a mistake. That's just hatred. That's just cruelty. That's just wrong. That's just crazy. I mean, that's crazy. She thinks she thinks that our border patrol are injecting people kidnapping people injecting drugs because they don't like their race. That's what she thinks. And she can say that because nobody she's not going to get hit. That's not going to be on the front page of the New York Times, the paper that's supposed to be covering the city that she was she is a Representative. That's just not going to happen to her. So she can say those awful awful things and get away with it. Whereas anybody on the right set it, of course, they'd be crucified so encourages corruption. So a democrat press is it hurts the Democrats by making them stupid on the issues while constantly disappointing them with fake news. That doesn't have a climax. It creates trivial moral categories for scandal for the right, and then leaves Democrats open to the. Same tactics in and under charges of hypocrisy, and it encourages corruption which always comes back to bite them. All as the New York Times has told us in defense of the narrative. I've got Timothy Carney coming up. A really really interesting guest or as written a fascinating book called why some places thrive while others collapsed, but you got to come over to daily wire dot com. I gotta say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube come over the daily, wire dot com, and subscribe, you could watch the whole show right there. You can be in the mail bag, and you can which is uncomfortable. But you get to ask questions, and you can watch all the other shows, and it's a great deal. It's ten bucks a month a hundred lousy bucks for the year. And for the year, you get the leftist. Here's tumbler, which you will need. We'll be right back. All right. Tim corny is the commentary editor at the Washington Examiner and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He's the author of alienated America, why some places thrive while others collapsed, which is out now ten thanks so much for coming on a pre shit. Thank you for having me. So what's the answer? Why does some communities thrive and others gloves? The short answer is a has to do with the the little platoons as as Adleman bark would put it or it's got to do with institutions of civil society strong communities. We sometimes hear purely economic explanation of the suffering of the working class in the middle of the country. But that that's skips. A very important step people do well in places that have churches that have swim clubs that have strong public schools with very involved parents. And so when you look at the suffering of the working class when you look at opioid data when you look at teenage pregnancies when you look at the retreat from marriage and all of these problems the root cause. Of them is that is a loss of connection because it's a loss of strong institutions of civil society. So it's not the economy's destroying the families. It's actually the families destroying the comment. No, it's it's the economy when closes that's often the first domino to fall. But the the next step is the diner that served the factory closed down, and people aren't able as able to you know, meet and get together with their neighbors. And then the active involve parents get up and leave. And so the public school becomes less of sort of a great hobby of civil society bringing people together, and then next thing the church closes. And so then people are left alienated families individuals are left without the connection that these things provide in some places though, they can weather an economic downturn. I was just in in western Michigan Grand Rapids. They got hit by the auto collapse in two thousand eight a laugh, but they weathered that downturn. Because the churches schools community institutions museums all of those things sort of. Kept together families kept up human capital kept up education quality. And so then lots of other businesses as quickly as possible resettled in a place like that that doesn't happen in a lot of rural America because there isn't that thick dense web of strong institutions of civil society. All right. I want to get back to that in just a second. But a lot of people especially on the right? I've heard these kind of tough-guy remarks about people like this Kevin Williamson Fantus one let these societies die they behave badly. This is the kind of dysfunction that we see in urban black communities, and we don't like it there. And we don't like it here to be fair. What's what's wrong with that assessment? So it's it's consigning a lot of people to sort of the despair. I mean, you you can't well there are some places that are dead. And so the Kevin Williamson argument is you should get up and leave them, and there's probably a good argument to be made about that. But I would say that the play. That are on the decline. They can be stopped before they hit rock bottom. But what it will take is something of a great awakening. Something of a revitalization of the strong institutions. These are things that are being killed by secularization technology has lots of great things in some harms being crowded out by big government. The government saying a will take care of feeding all the poor. And then the local government, the churches those things don't have as much of a role if we can stop that sort of radicalization racing of these institutions a lot of these places can be can be turned around. Okay. But but these things don't come out of nowhere. I mean, it's not that long ago was within my memory, which only goes back a couple of hundred years. But I mean, it's it's it's not that long ago when you thought of the mid west, and you thought about mom and dad thought about churches you thought about this. I mean, this is the kind of thing that people in New York would scoff at that they were so moral that they were so straight laced that they were so boring and their lives. And now we we suddenly find out and it took everybody by surprise on. Ios. We suddenly find out that these people are in despair that they're not, you know, they're not getting married. They're not going to turn. You're not going to church. What happened? So there's a lot of causes of this one. We should mention a failure. On behalf of the institutions churches. I'm a Catholic. My church has failed spectacularly in not taking care of its people and not dealing with abuse cases. Right, and other churches, I think have have failed by either welcoming the crowding out by the government or becoming overly politicized and other lots of tons of other institutions have failed to including public schools at cetera. But there are lots of outside forces that are killing it. And one of the huge ones is big government. When big government comes in, it crowds out, the welfare spending, by churches, and nonprofit organizations, and there's a push of secularization on the left saying that churches should not be in the public square. You're not allowed to bring your religion into the marketplace. That's what the hobby lobby. The case was about was the Obama administration. Arguing no you do not get free exercise of religion. Once you step out into the marketplace ACLU suing Catholic hospitals out of business because they don't perform abortions. There's an effort to say religious institutions shouldn't be out in the public, and that's killer. Because when we're talking about civil society for the middle class. The core institution has been always has been churched the cover of alienated America's broken down church because Tocqueville noted it two hundred years ago. He said that the you the church doesn't run government there. But it is the most important political institution and social institution in America. Is, you know, one of the strange things is though that the church retained a lot of power even to into say the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. Even though it was breaking down in communities communities. We're not as religious as the church. What was but I'm thinking I'm thinking because I work in Hollywood. I'm thinking of the establishment of the Hays office that. A minority of people who wanted to that movie code to be put into place, but they forced it because they have moral authority in in the society. How did they lose that? I mean, why is it that is it this this push for secularization was so successful. There's there. I mean, many many books have been written about this Mary Eberstadt is who's the wife of a colleague of mine at a she wrote that the collapse of family helped contribute to the collapse of church. I think that's true. But I also try to argue that it goes the other way around that that church is the most important thing that these institutions do was never preaching. This is how you ought to live your life that only carried weight when they were doing the other work of building an infrastructure building a ecosystem in which you can raise families raising kids is really hard, my wife, and I have six kids. We would not be able to do that without you know, without strong communities. Right. I tell lots of stories like that in the book, but one of the things. Is when the churches stopped either because of government crowding out or just a change in emphasis whenever institutions aren't sort of doing what they can to serve families and individuals helped them live out their fullest lives, then they lose an authority a sort of moral authority to preach preaching only carried weight when it was backed up by deeds and churches today, do not do as much of that building of infrastructure as they used to one of the things I've noticed I've written this article that's going to be in the next city journal about a phenomenon I've noticed where several intellectuals especially in Europe, where they feel as the society is basically being overrun and destroyed they say, you know, we have to retain our Christianity. But I myself cannot believe so I mean, I hear this a lot in those of philosopher named Marcello Pera who talks about the book called why we should call ourselves Christians. But not why we should be. You know, Douglas Murray is written this book the strange death of Europe where he says without religion. We're not going to get back. And I just asked him flat out can do. You believe now. And I just can't I just can't is there something that maybe sciences done. Maybe the modern world has done. The justice. Actually, undermined Christianity old fashioned religion in ways that we simply can't heal. Well, I mean, first of all your pointing out it's a broader phenomenon associated realizing that religion is important, and specifically attendance. So that's one of the argument that it's it's belonging to something where you are engaged in joint higher purpose. And it's very important. There is something about the modern world though, with lots of other sort of I used to describe it as we've got so many other creature comforts and one. One of the explanations of people falling away from churches will people don't want to sign on to like the idea of waiting until you're married to have sex, and and that sort of thing. And so now that there's more access to video games and sex and delicious food we have other pleasures that drag us away. But then I look at the secular mo- secularize parts of America the places where it's happened. The quickest. Not the wealthy elites who are these decadents. No. It's the struggling middle class what they're doing. I mean, they are having less sex in and out of marriage. Be these are the parts of the country that are suffering the most. So it's not that great fun. Good times has dragged this away from church, that's sort of like an analogy to college. Right. That's when a lot of college kids, don't go to don't go to church because they're having too much fun on the weekends. That's not happening on the large scale. There's it's it's depressing and dank and most of the places where the secularization is accelerating at the highest rate. It's almost as if the elites sold this idea of secularization to the poor. Then went back to church while the poor just went down the drain. No, it's religion. Mark said was in the opium of the masses. You don't say no, this is a high end drug that the the the top twenty percent or more likely to be in church on a given or or synagogue or mosque or whatever on a given Sunday, then the bottom twenty. That's that's really interesting. So do you have any solutions? What's the way that we need? A large federal program now. There is no big. There are some. So the first the most important thing Donald Trump is doing is stopping the sort of anti the the effort to push the church out of the public square. And so that's got to keep going. Most of my solutions like the ten commandments. Are thou shalt nuts? But really it's going to take their bunch of little solutions. We have to when you build a place you have to build it around people not around cars that would help people who have money a lot of them put it into building up institutions that bring people together and give them a sense of purpose. Churches are going to have to reform and a lot of ways a lot of southern evangelical churches are overly politicized. The Catholic church is not taking head on its abuse crisis. And and I think when it does that'll be the first step towards building up more priests finding new roles for the laity, but really takes a million as a wise woman said it takes a village to raise a child. It takes a million people in their towns like being more involved in. Realizing that while it may seem like you're going to get your happiness, and that you can be a good neighbor, just, you know, over electrically or or in the your own home. You really do have to build up institutions that reach out to neighbors and give people sense of purpose. Give people their private many safety net all those things. So there is no big solution. Because a big federal program would undermine its. Yeah. Now that sounds frighteningly realistic. Tim Carney, the commentary editor at the Washington Examiner. Really good paper, by the way, visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of illuminated America, why some places thrive while others collapse. Thank you very much for coming on. I appreciate it. Thank you. Let me just end with the final reflection, which I have to just talk about old pal. Justice small at. Thank heavens for comedians were not intimidated by the leftist mob. They're going to be few and far between when you see a guy, you know, knocked off his post hosting the Oscars because he said something in some tweet fifteen years ago, it's dangerous out there for these guys and they can lose their posting lose their job. But a couple of them are stepping forward. Chris rock was at the end AA C p image awards where small at in some kind of massive act of irony. I guess was nominated for an image award. And he was apparently told Chris wok not to make any jokes about small out. And he didn't listen to here. He is. Award. They said, no jussie smollet jokes. No, I know what a waste of light skin. I could do that light skin. Curly hair. My career would be. Run in Hollywood. No, no, no, just. What the hell was he thinking? From now on I never know. Just your Jesse from now, don't even get the, you know. That you was respect you'll get no respect for me. That's great. That's great and Tracy Morgan did it on Jimmy Fallon too. I heard you got a new gig though year, I'm a big role on empire. It did. What is what are you gonna? What are you going to do on contractually give me millions dollars? Contractually? Do the fake. I hate crime. All you have to do all the doom. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. You by that story. What happened man come on first of all? Racist. People don't be jumping nobody in the polar vortex. That's great. It's great stuff. And you know, it reminds me a little bit. Obviously there's no comparison between Chelsea small at did the OJ Simpson did not even in the same ballpark. But it is true that OJ Simpson got off in the courts of law. But he didn't get off. They didn't escape Justice. I mean, people made sure that his life was not the same after that his his his reputation was not the same. And it really did hurt him. You can see you only have to look at them to see what it did. And I think maybe a little bit of that is gonna come down on Jesse smell that as well. You can escape the law. But you can't escape Justice always gonna find you somewhere. I hate to tell you this. I know some of you are already living in fear and trembling, but the Cleveland last weekend is upon us. Your odds of surviving are very very small. But if you do I will be back here at Hillsdale College on Monday broadcasting live to you. And I hope you will be here to if you live doubtful. But try your best. I'm Andrew klavan. This is the Andrew klavan show. The Andrew klavan show is produced by Robert Stirling, executive producer, Jeremy boring, senior producer Jonathan. Hey. Our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited by Adams sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike Corinna hair and makeup is by just what Olvera and our animations are by Cynthia and Google production. Assistant Nik Sheehan. The Andrew klavan show is daily wire production copyright, daily wire. Twenty nineteen today on the Ben Shapiro show. Joe Biden comes forward and apologizes for all of his touchy feely ways was that a good idea. That's today on the bench Shapiro show.

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Full House to debate and vote on impeachment Wednesday

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Today you can get started on your smartphone right now policy genius when it comes to home insurance. It's nice to get it right. So it's time for the last last word with Lawrence of Donald Good evening and tonight Isabelle Bueso is going to join us. You'RE GONNA WANNA see this at the end of this hour you'll be home in time to see this Thanks to your reporting and reporting of others that she has been granted officially from the trump administration the right to remain in this country for lifesaving medical medical treatment so the good news is we're going to end the hour tonight excellent. I am very much like I'm so glad you're doing it unreachable you and talking about the polls. The Fox poll about impeachment was the couple all numbers FA fascinating obviously the fifty percent in favor of impeachment and removal of the President and the Fox Hole. And then there's the fifty four percent who were in favor of just impeachment Richmond and not remove A. What's so interesting about that? Is those people recognizing there is a difference that these are two different decision levels with with process with different thresholds of proof and in fact in American history. There has never ever been president who was impeached in the house and and removed by the Senate. It has never happened and so to know that people are talking about. This'll be some sort of failed impeachment effort if the Senate acquits well the only thing we've ever had in American history is the House impeaching a President Senate is never removed but people being able to make that distinction. I think the public is much more capable of divining these differences than most politicians street and the other fascinating number was that sixty percent sixty percent who believe that. It's inappropriate to ask foreign countries for help against your political arrivals and only twenty four percent think it's appropriate and the impeachment trial move that sixty percent from inappropriate inappropriate to something stronger than inappropriate. Yes and the way that it gets flushed out in the house. Eric Spoiler here tonight on judiciary and Intel talking talking about what he expects on Wednesday talking about the length of that debate and how long they're going to go until they get that floor. Vote on the question of how substantive that's going to be and how compelling it's going to be as a public matter matter I mean that's potentially going to be really important in terms of the way the public use this process and if the Senate doesn't pick up what they're gonNA do their part of this the trial part of this until January. Well that's a ways off and things happen fast and I feel like this is a live live still evolving issue by the way. Richard my favorite thing that you told me about my schedule tomorrow at the end of your program eleven. Am that was my favorite thing that I heard you say Rules Committee at eleven. Am finally a civilized. Our also tape it for you. Thank you Rachel well. History has been marching steadily toward impeachment for the last ninety days and this week it is pre sprinting toward board impeachment with a vote tomorrow in the rules committee and about the next day on the House floor on impeaching the president of the United States along this road to impeachment. We have seen many things. We've never seen before including the attorney. General William Bar publicly contradicting his department's Inspector General's investigation of the origins of what became the Muller investigation instigation. The inspector general found that there was no political prejudice in the launch of that investigation and the one person who has held the job of FBI a director in the job of director. And who calls himself. A friend of William Bars is now very disappointed in what he has heard from William Bar and he has said so publicly ninety five year old former. FBI and former CIA director. William Webster is speaking up in defense of the FBI as the president continues is to attack the FBI and as the attorney general continues to publicly undermined the work of the FBI and the Justice Department prosecutors for analysis of all of that as well as an evaluation evaluation of the evidence in the impeachment case against Donald Trump. We'll be joined tonight for the first time by former federal prosecutor Andrew Weisman. Who was one of the top prosecutors hired by Robert Mueller to conduct the investigation and contribute to the Muller report and we are saving are good news of the night for the end of the hour as I just told Rachel when Isabel Oh boy so will join us to share her joy in not being deported by Donald Trump to share her joy and being allowed to stay in this country where she can continue continue to receive life saving treatment and where she can continue to participate in medical studies? That are saving the lives of other people with her rare diseases. Label is a beltway so got the Christmas present that she has been hoping for the legal right to remain in the United States. And you'll be hearing from her at the end of this hour. We are now in the sprint phase of impeachment history. Just forty eight hours away from president. Donald trump becoming the third president in history to be impeached getting into that historic vote by the house. Representatives on Wednesday is a two step process. That begins tomorrow in the House. Rules Committee everything that goes to the House floor in the House of Representatives as for a vote passes through the House Rules Committee on its way to the House floor each bill. The house four gets its own set of rules. The rules committee `attaches a set of rules. Everything that goes to the House floor for a vote. That's set of rules establishes. How long the debate will be for one thing? What kind of amendments? If any we will be allowed and we'll be in order. The rules committee is controlled by the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. And so the rules for Wednesday's debate on two articles of impeachment. We'll be whatever rules committee chairman Jim McGovern and consultation with House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi decides what those rules will be. Republicans will probably make like some noise tomorrow in the rules committee but the rules for the impeachment articles will pass the committee and the articles of impeachment will go to the floor of the house accompanying the articles of impeachment now in the House of Representatives is a six hundred fifty eight page report on the evidence in the impeachment inquiry written by the staff of the House House Judiciary Committee and submitted by Chairman. Gerald Napper the Judiciary Committee report says. President trump has realized the framers worst nightmare. He has abused his power in and soliciting in pressuring a Vulnerable Foreign Nation to corrupt the next United States presidential election by sabotaging a political opponent and endorsing a debunked conspiracy theory deep promoting promoted by our adversary Russia. President trump has done all of this for his own personal gain rather than for any legitimate reason and has compromised our national security the democratic system in the process. The report says that the president's abusive power is impeachable and is the kind of abuse of power. The founders anticipated intimidated in writing the presidential impeachment clause in the Constitution. The report says to the founding generation abuse of power was a specific thick well defined defense it occurs WanNa present exercises the powers of his office to obtain an improper personal benefit while injuring and ignoring the national interest. The evidence evidence shows that President Trump leveraged his office to solicit and pressure Ukraine for a personal favor this unquestionably constitutes an impeachable offense this this unquestionably constitutes an impeachable offense to the founders. This kind of corruption was especially pernicious and plainly merited impeachment. The report says that President Trump's blocking the duly authorized congressional subpoenas in the impeachment inquiry quote was categorical indiscriminate and without precedent. Don't in American history. The report says the Judiciary Committee believes that Congress cannot wait for the next election to allow voters to render a verdict on the president's agents misconduct. The report makes the case for taking action now this way. President trump has fallen into a patent pattern of behavior. This is not the first time he has solicited for interference. In an election been exposed and attempted to obstruct the resulting investigation. He will almost certainly continue on this course course indeed in the same week that the committee considered these articles of impeachment. The presence private attorneys attorney was back in Ukraine to promote the same sham investigations nations into the president's political rivals and upon returning to the United States rapidly made his way to the White House. We cannot rely on the next election as as a remedy for presidential misconduct when the president is seeking to threaten the very integrity of that election. We must act immediately. We must act immediately and so the Rules Committee will act tomorrow and the full House will act the next day with the impeachment of president trump. Clearly on its way to the the United States sound for trial a Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer proposed a set of rules for that trial. Then those rules are modelled on the last impeachment each moment in the Senate in one thousand nine hundred nine. When the trial of President Bill Clinton lasted about five weeks? Assuming president trump is impeached. This week Senator Schumer proposes that right after the Christmas break the United States Senate begin the impeachment trial of Donald Trump in the Senate on January. Seventh Senator Schumer is asking Mitch McConnell to agree that the Senate should hear testimony from four witnesses former national security adviser John Bolton Chief White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Senior Adviser to Mick Mulvaney Robert Player and Michael L. W. Associate Director in the Office of Management and budget to conduct a trial without relevant witnesses. Who Haven't been heard from to just rehash the evidence presented in the house? Just doesn't make any sense. If leader McConnell doesn't hold a full all in fair trial the American people will rightly ask. What are you leader McConnell? And what is president trump hiding this this afternoon. Mitch McConnell responded telling reporters quote. We'll be getting together and we'll have more to say tomorrow. The only two Democrats who voted in October against authorizing the house impeachment inquiry announced that they will vote against impeachment as expected one of those cars men. Jeff Van drew of New Jersey actually actually spent the weekend speaking to Republicans about switching parties that provoked members of his staff to co sign a letter of resignation saying quote sadly totally Carson van drew's decision to join the ranks of the Republican Party led by Donald Trump does not align with the values. We brought to this job when we joined his office. As as such. We can no longer in good conscience in serving. The congressman's employ letter is cosigned by the newly unemployed but still principled. Va Gamboa's Edward Caz Marsk has marquis. Justin O'Leary Mackenzie Lucas. Caroline would several freshman democratic members in the House who won their seats last year and previously Republican districts have announced their support for impeachment. Here is Freshman Democratic Congressman Eliza slatkin making in her dramatic announcement at a town hall in her Congressional District in Michigan today so I will be voting yes on obstruction of now. Obviously I know I can hear that. This is a very controversial decision and I knew that and all I can ask from. The people who are listening is that while we may not agree. I hope you believe me when I tell you that I made this decision out of principle and out of the duty to protect defend the constitution. I feel that in my bones and I will stick to that regardless of what it does to be politically because hi species bigger than politics leading off our discussion tonight. We're lucky to have democratic Congressman Hurricane Jeffries of New York he's the chairman of the House Democratic Caucus and he's a member of the the Judiciary Committee in the House also with Andrew Weissmann former FBI general counsel and a former federal prosecutor. He's now an MSNBC legal analyst and Carbon Jeffries let let me begin with you and the five people I want to begin with. Are the five names of those staffers. Those democratic staffers who resigned and in protest in protest of President Trump's policies in protest of president trump's misconduct which has led to this impeachment when they're member UH started talking to the Republicans about switching parties and what we see. There is the principal resignation. And the reason why I wanted to put their names on the screen is the principled. Resignation is the thing we have not seen in the trump administration. These three years no matter how many lines donald trump has crossed. Yeah and that's been very unfortunate what we've seen is that my republican colleagues continue to put Party over principle corruption in this case over the constitution and demagoguery augury over democracy. That's been quite unfortunate. These five individuals have demonstrated principled. Public Service is obviously individuals rules who agreed to staff Jeff. Andrew was elected as part of a historic midterm election with Democrats ascending ending into the majority committed to fighting for the people to work on things like health care call says infrastructure increasing pay for everyday Americans dealing with gun violence and and at the same time serving as a check and balance on out of Control Administration Their principal has obviously decided in this case referring to their former boss cost to go in a different direction and they've made a selfless decision at a very difficult moment for our country and our democracy. Con- Congressman Awesome and took a another tough decision. We're seeing made these freshman. Democrats who took Republican districts who are stepping forward telling their former Republican looking districts that they are voting to impeach the president. I know you've been very concerned Over this last year actually especially including last ninety days about how difficult this this process has been for them. What is your reaction to what you're seeing in their decisions class of two thousand eighteen is an extraordinary group of Americans who stepped Ford at a very vulnerable time for democracy and decided that they were going to run for office having already done so much for the country and the National Security Space Space as veterans as doctors nurses as educators of Congress to do the right thing on behalf of the people that they were elected to represent? This is a very very difficult decision for any member. Impeachment is a very serious solemn and sober moment but when you layer on top of that these members from very tough districts constituents who've got very sharp opinions that differ on how to most appropriately. Hold this president accountable. Yet they've decided To elevate their oath of office elevate their constitutional responsibility be guided bid by their conscience. Unlike many of my colleagues on the other side of the out and certainly unlike the president interesting given the two responsibilities and impeachment though the one responsibility that the House has the responsibility of the Senate has. Is it a unreasonable proposition. For a member of the House to say I haven't decided on on this evidence of in a final judgment way but I want to send it to the United States Senate for trial. I believe there's enough evidence to send this to trial. So that is responsible in and the analogy would be taking a federal prosecutor in submitting something to a grand jury. The grand jury just decides whether there's probable cause for or charge you don't have to have the grand jury find that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's for the trial jury so you could imagine somebody in the house saying that but in reality what happens for federal prosecutor is you would not ask a grand jury to vote an indictment unless you thought you could win. Could you wouldn't want to put somebody through that but that is a slightly different context. You're talking about someone's life and liberty and you could leave it to the Senate to make a determination about what they thought not at the quantum proof and whether it was appropriate to to go forward because there is no judicial review of the Senate's finding in this the question of standard of proof is in effect up to each individual senator to say. Here's here's the standard. I'm using some might news proof beyond a reasonable doubt some Mike US more likely than not they can pick what it is. What do you think they should use as their standard of proof so you agree that there's not a lot of law? This is new territory. I think it's got to be something fairly close to beyond a reasonable doubt. Even though Oh you're not sending somebody to jail as you would in a criminal case on say there aren't they seem ramifications for the president and here we're not taking trump. We're talking about the president of what system do we want. I think even though there aren't there's ramifications for the president it does take the choices waist that Americans have voted for and said you know this is no longer going to be the case. We're going to countermand what you voted for. So that should be a very high level of proof whether it's beyond a reasonable doubt or something close to that. I don't know the answer to that but it should be. somethings significantly high. That this is not uncannily literally high so that you can explain it to voters in fact. That's the standard absolutely other is not required as a criminal case you would have to have a unanimous ananymous and here you don't it's still high but it's not unanimous so that actually councils in favor of a high threshold in terms improve could you don't have to convince all of the senators as he would if it was actually going to adjourn Carson Jeffries. This time Wednesday night will the president of the United States be impeached. It's my expectation that there will be a majority of the House of Representatives that does conclude that the president should be impeach H. The evidence is overwhelming. It's uncontrovertible did the. Donald Trump abused his power by pressuring a foreign government to target an American citizen solely for political and personal gain and at the same time withheld three hundred ninety one million dollars in military aid from very vulnerable Ukraine without justification and as part of that scheme effectively solicited foreign interference in the twenty twenty election. That strikes at the heart of the concerns at the founding fathers had a abuse of power. You're be betrayal of the constitution for personal gain and see corrupting our free and fair elections the president's misbehavior implicated the TRIFECTA Trifecta of concerns that the framers of the Constitution had and for that reason. I believe he should be impeached. And that he will be impeached as of Wednesday Carson Hakeem Jeffries Andrew Weissmann. Thank you both starting off tonight. Really appreciate it and we'll come back the only person who has been both the director of the FBI and the director for the CIA is now speaking out about Donald Trump and attorney Gen William bar who he still calls a friend that's next Breaking Spike every single year during the holidays because families are traveling and burglars. No people have expensive gifts lying around. What's crazy is is that only one in five homes have home security probably because most companies don't make it easy charging astronomical monthly fees requiring long term contracts? That are difficult to get out of. That's why simply safe is my choice for home security. It's comprehensive professional home security at a fair price just fifteen bucks a month with simplisafe. There's no contract contract hidden fees or fine print and right now is the best time of the year to get a simplisafe security system for the holidays. 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Now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free thanks for listening the FBI. Bi at the CIA are quote under assault from too many people whose job it should be to protect them. Those are the words from the only person in history who has served served as both the director of the FBI and the director of the CIA. William Webster was a federal judge when President Jimmy Carter appointed him. FBI Director in nineteen seventy eight. He served in that role role until president. Ronald Reagan chose him in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven as the CIA director a position that he continued to hold under president. George H W Bush William in Western now chairs the Homeland Security Advisory Council in a new opinion piece in the New York Times Ninety five year. Old William Webster rights I know firsthand the professionalism rationalism of the men and women of the FBI the aspersions cast upon them by the president and my longtime friend attorney. General William P bar are troubling in the the extreme calling. FBI professionals scum as the president did as a slur against people who risk their lives to keep us safe Mr bars charges of Bias S. within the FBI made without providing any evidence and indirect dispute of the findings of the nonpartisan Inspector General Risk Inflicting enduring damage image on this critically important institution this afternoon and re Mitchell asked William Webster why he decided to speak out start. It's not something I wanted to do but something I feel impelled to do because American people are asking now what's happening thing to our government what's happening to the people that we trusted and need to trust. Why is all this stuff going on and and I tried to raise that question because it does affect the ability of organizations like the FBI is that we love and cherish and the CIA? That's done so much. To gather intelligence for us. It affects their ability to do their job and their willingness willingness to do their job. And it shouldn't be. It's not American is not our way of life and is not the rule of law. You're GonNa Watch more victories interview with William Webster Tomorrow at Twelve noon on Andrea Mitchell reports. Right here on. MSNBC journey our discussion now now former FBI assistant director counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi he's an MSNBC national security analyst. Andrew Weisman is back with us. He's the former. FBI General General Counsel and a former federal prosecutor is in MSNBC legal analyst. Frank E. Reaction to William Webster finally speaking out on this Lawrence when somebody like William Webster speaks which he doesn't do often anymore. America needs to listen when someone like after says this is an American. This isn't the rule rule of law. We need to listen. And I think if you read his OP ED in the New York Times you'll see has reference to what's coming down the road. What where here this could be headed so I I want people to understand? This isn't about a thin skinned group of FBI folks who can't take criticism FBI agents get bashed and beaten and shot that they can take the criticism. What I think it come pops out at me at the auto? The editorial is webster saying this isn't so much about where we are right now about where. Hi this is headed. He talks about perhaps losing the independence and neutrality of an FBI. That's a dangerous place to be when we see a president hinting at thinking about removing the current FBI director we have an attorney general criticizing an I report saying the FBI is spying on a campaign. You know where that's going based on Hinson clues we're getting. That's going to a political person running the F. B. I. N. political person in the attorney general telling the F. B.. I want to do or not to. That's why I think Mr Webster is really concerned about and Ed Royce would in the More investigation you in that team we lived through. What William? What sure is arguing against here this kind of attack on a FBI agents attack on federal prosecutors And and and one of the things that struck me about the impeachment hearings is the one thing donald trump could not do which he did with with your team almost every day. He he could not threaten to fire. Eric swallow he couldn't threaten to fire. Adam Schiff a as he was doing throughout the Muller investigation. What is the effect of that of that kind of attack from the president of the United States on federal investigators? Well I think you're seeing it because you see the corrosive power that he has because you can see just what's happened with the change. In White House counsel going from mcgann to sip alone and seeing the the letter. That simple unsigned is really not what you expect. From from the White House counsel you might expect that from his personal counsel. And then you see in the change from Attorney General Sessions Attorney General Bar and you know former director webster I thought was really poignant and attacking not just what the president is doing but also what the Attorney General's joining and to follow up with the frank is talking about the danger here is if you do not have an independent department of Justice and you do not have an independent. FBI that means that it is subject to the political process to do. We Really WanNa live in a society where we are now a banana republic everything that we have fought to have Ukraine. Not Be is what we will become because it means the president or the attorney general can just go after political opponents and that really is the end of the rule all of law. And that's what I think director was talking about and frank Director Webster fit actually manage to squeeze in a reference to Rudy Giuliani. Here who's not a government government official. But he I think correctly sees him as part of the trump bar operation of this this critical front that he needs to stand up against well he speaks to to rudy because he he knows rudy. That's kind of also the special nature of this op. Ed Is. He's talking about William Bar because he knows what he's talking about Rudy Giuliani. Because he knows him. What does he say about Rudy? He's disappointed he's he's disappointed in in a man who's become something that we can't figure out anymore at his bought into all of this nonsense that could lead to deep trouble for the rule of law. I'm glad William Webster spoke out. I hope Americans listen. I hope the right Americans listen who are on the fence wondering whether there's damage being done that we need to stop in progress and we also found fault. I'm sorry. I found fault with attorney Gerald bars criticism of the Inspector General's report. He says that that the Attorney General Criticize Inspector General's report and the claim that the FBI investigation was based on a completely bogus narrative. Those were William in bars words He then goes on to list the findings of the investigation on an enter Weisman that that is just something that I don't think anyone could have anticipated that the being attorney general publicly arguing against the findings of an inspector general's report and doing so with no reverence whatsoever. Well the other thing. That's just remarkable is if you look at the time period that is covered by the inspector. General's report there are things that happen during the Obama uh-huh and and there are things that happen during the trump administration. You have the attorney general. The current attorney general saying I don't think they followed the attorney general guidelines. Those are his guy. I don't see him changing them so for him to pretend this is something that just happened under some somebody else's watch that's not true. Also talking about the Carter page that happened not just under the Obama Administration that also happened the trump administration. So he's really not taking responsibility. We're GONNA have to leave it there. Andrew Weissmann Frankford losing. Thank you both very much for joining us. Really appreciate it and when we come back. Trump doesn't want anyone to find out what he says. President Vladimir Putin but trump pointed federal judge has sided with litigants who are fighting to get the records the translators notes of those conversations. The head of that pours ation leading. Legal fight will join us and with just one week of Christmas shopping left. Who Want to remind you about kids? In need of desks you can go the last word desktop. 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Of course the Russian written record of the meeting which Vladimir Putin has and the problem president trump is his translator's notes don't belong to him and they don't belong to the translator they belong to you which is to say they belong to the American government under the Federal Records Act which requires new translators notes to be kept in the custody of the State Department. Our next guests filed a lawsuit against Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo who was supposed to be one of the legal custodians of those notes lawsuit seeks to produce those notes a federal judge in Washington DC. Trevor McFadden who was appointed by Donald Trump ruled against donald trump and. Mike Pompeo who attempted to have that lawsuit lawsuit dismissed jars. McFadden ruled that they can proceed with that lawsuit and have the case. Go to trial the he actually really gave. Mike Pompeo a January tenth date to file a written response to the lawsuit. Meanwhile Russian state media cannot resist depicting what considers Russians power over Donald Trump Russian TV aired a segment entitled Puppet Master and Agent How to understand Lavrov's the meeting with trump. That's actually what they called their segment. That was after Donald Trump met with Sergei Lavrov in the Oval Office last week and Russian Russian media is now rerunning video of Fox News segments showing sympathy for Russia in its war with Ukraine. This break we'll consider what donald trump might have been worried about when he sees his translators notes after his conversation with Vladimir Putin Donald Trump reportedly seized his translators notes after his first conversation with Vladimir Putin but of course Russia has notes of that conversation and all of Donald Trump's conversations with Putin and last week Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov publicly humiliated Donald Trump and the trump administration by offering to make those notes oats public and claiming that the trump administration is refusing to agree to allow Russia to make public the notes of the conversations between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump Russia. Galil we see Jesse to our colleagues in order to dispel all suspicions. Suspicious that a baseless lettuce publish own this close channel correspondent starting from October twenty sixty until November two thousand seventeen so it would all become very clear many people however regrettably administration refused to do so discussion. Now is Austin ever. He's the executive director of the organization. American oversight previously served as senior counsel in the State Department for oversight and transparency currency matters. And Austin. It's your lawsuit that is chasing the translators notes of the Putin trump conversations. But there's there's Laverov basically offered you the Russian notes of the conversations but the trump administration's not agreeing to that. Now it's absurd and it's it's actually rather striking that maybe that's a good deal for the American public that we should rely on probable Russian propaganda to find out what our president said to Vladimir Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is when the president's snatched those notes from his translator he not only violated all sorts of norms for how presidents should act. He'll violated the law so our lawsuit with our colleagues group called democracy forward tries to get those notes back in the custody of the State Department so hopefully they can be ultimately produce reduce the public and we can check with the president saying. Do you have any indication that the notes they trump version of the trump translated version of the notes. Still exist we just so no. There's been a lot of rumor speculation in the media which is actually what triggered lawsuit realizing that the president had snatched those notes The bottom line that we're looking for is some answers on what happened to them. Were they destroyed. Are they something that the State Department could recover if so the law requires them to do that. The deadline line that the State Department has in January will require them to give those details to us and to the public so we can take the next steps in enforcing transparency eldest point. Something out Donald from thought that Ukraine call was perfect and he publish it and now he's getting impeached for it. What has to be in those notes that caused him to snatch them from his translator immediately and now two years later we still don't know what he said? That's such a good point. I mean he had the presence of mind based on something that I was saddened that conversation that no one should ever know what was in that conversation. You compare that to the Ukraine conversation where he also knew people were listening and and he still went ahead and said these things that are now impeachable. It really really draws a lot of attention to it. We need to know what he said Nancy Pelosi is right. This always keeps coming back to Russia and Vladimir Putin There's been too much secrecy around it. So groups like American Oversight Democracy Ford and I hope Congress Congress will keep their eye on this because even after we sprint. Through this impeachment process there is a tidal wave of accountability behind this president. And we just need to keep fighting being to expose it offers. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you and when we come back as a little boy so will be our last guest of this hour yeah. She was issued a death sentence by Donald Trump when donald trump ordered her deportation center a deportation notice. She's in this country hundred getting lifesaving medical treatment Israel boy so will join us in. Tonight's last word. Aw I'm asking ministry to come together and the ride the wrong of this change in policy this is not a partisan issue did the humanitarian issue. Our life depended on it that was bellboy so testifying for her life in the house. Representatives after the trump administration threaten to deport her by revoking her legal right to remain in the United States for lifesaving medical treatment and issuing her a deportation order. Isabel is one of many the people in this country for life saving treatment who received letters from the trump administration ordering their deportation when the Boston Globe and the New York. Times and Rachel Maddow's dog org reporting on this story. The trump administration was forced under public pressure to eventually stop threatening Isabel boy so and others with deportation but no one knew what would happen next. as Isabelle's Dr. Paul Hormats told us on this program. Deporting Isabelle would be a death sentence because she could not receive medical treatment. She needed outside of the United States. Four months after is boy received an official deportation notice from the trump administration. She has finally received a Christmas present. She's been waiting for or in a letter. Dated December sixth US citizenship and immigration services. wrote to his abell quote. This is to advise you that effective August fourteenth two thousand nineteen year we've been granted deferred action for a period of two years. The action will expire on August thirteenth. Two Thousand Twenty one after this break is about boy so will join us to share and what this happy news means for her. That's next I I still feel that there is so many question has been answered. I feel like I'm feeling the lame will when not really clear on take. Your warranties is going as been Kamali Overwhelm. I don't feel under percent save. That ain't on stable but I hope that soon we can't get looking boy so with Rachel. In September trump administration said they would not enforce forced the deportation order. They said to Isabel but they also would not clarify her legal status in this country to receive life saving medical treatment but last week the beltway so finally got that in writing from the trump administration. And she's now LE- legally allowed to remain in this country for medical treatment for for two more years and I'm very happy to say that joining us now is Isabel boy so Isabel. Thank you very very much for joining US tonight. I'm glad you're still here. I'm glad you're still in this country and that you have this good news the letter that I have here saying that you now now have legal deferred action status for another two years. This will be bringing you up to August thirteenth. Twenty twenty one. What was it like nick to finally get that letter saying you're here? You're safe for two years alarm very nice to meet you and thank you for what happened me mentioned. I finally received a letter that I've been waiting for so long for months and I'm just really really happy and I feel really really an and I'm really happy there's different emotions going through my head this past few while few weeks but I'm really really happy and it's it's a very difficult road to get here. You had to testify to Congress. You met met Both Democrats and Republicans what you testified to Congress about your situation how important you think it was that you were able to tell the story directly to Congress Saharan. Well I feel like you know going back a little bad. I mean this was unexpected for me to go through. I never imagine in testifying. Share my story but I knew that I had to use my boys. Say The problem and drew my story. Because I knew that but what's happening moment was just really unfair and scary and overwhelm so though and I feel like it helped being on how because I'm sure there other family is going to do with fear overwhelming. I'm really happy. Bela able to use my voice and share my story and testified and just say that they do way Shen in all but but I'm really happy with the when they knew then hopefully Other families can get them answer really soon and and it also says that you are eligible to apply for another extension of for two years as this one. His moving toward the end of its term. Is this the kind of letter that you used to get routinely every every two years we got that same ladder better at that Bloomberg good for two years and then after those two year thing you have to apply again then the the routine and so does it feel like this has now been restored to the way it was. Do you feel confident that in two years from now in a twenty twenty one that you'll be able to routinely Get this extended the Dallas on that. I thought about it like what's GonNa Happen in two years but but you know I feel like you know. Share my story In August September thing that situation about this data's out circle diffraction. Might hope is two year Hopefully they're gonNA come up. Come up with a better solution. I really I really do hope that have to go through this again this. It was really stressful and allow for me and my family and I'm sure for other families still. I'm hoping and praying that things will get better. I WanNa thank you all so it'd be half of all of the families he's of Patients the other patients out there who have MP six rare disease that you've participated in the research with Dr Harmar Harm smarts that has helped those other patients. That was a very important part of your story that that you haven't just been here being helped by the special medical treatment. You're able to get only here but you have helped other patients by being part of the studies in the advances for this disease that has been so difficult for people to to deal with And I just wanted to thank you on their behalf for what you've done. I'm really happy to help you know the NPS community participating more clinical trial. The do they can do more research. Everything and on as Dr Armistead and am really blessed and grateful that in whatever thing I do to help them in the clinical trials really really really bliss. Thank you so much for having me to share the story along with Rachel. I really truly appreciate it at this. It's not just like the best Christmas present for me and happy holidays. Thank you really appreciate it. euro-acp Isabel boy. So cats tonight's last weren't hey it's Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day. Onslaught of news and take are broader. Look at the issues. That's doing each week my podcast. Why is this happening? We're exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twentieth century. What maternity west of the nineteenth century? 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Senate Intel Cmte. subpoenas Donald Trump Jr.

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

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Senate Intel Cmte. subpoenas Donald Trump Jr.

"Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence, Donald good evening Lawrence. Good evening. The great Rachel meadow. Of you know, I just was reading a tweet by the historian. Kevin Cruz actually re tweeted this, and I would like to read this to you. It says in the last twenty four hours we learned that the president is a billion dollar loser. His biggest evangelical backer covered up an apparent sex scandal. His attorney general is facing a contempt charge in the house and his son is being subpoenaed by the Senate in the last twenty four hours now. I have not been able to cover all of that. But between the two of us. We have you managed to work the fell fell well story last night, and I have to Rachel I stared at it. And I tried to figure out how to approach it. And I just I couldn't I thought you know, what I'm going to wait for the second day of this story, if there is one, and it turns out it's been wiped out by subpoena day, and everything I mean, there is sort of a second day because now the Washington Post published the actual audio of Cohen describing the terrible Votto. And I mean like you. This is our lives. Now like we instead of having sitting down and having a meal of the news every day we arrive at a buffet table that is seventeen miles long. And it's like, what are you gonna do where do you start? How do you prioritize? I mean, I could do an hour just on the phone story tonight. But all that other stuff do, but this is this is what I'm counting on you for. I look at stories sometimes I said, it's not gonna fit it isn't gonna fit in this hour, but somehow it fits in these two hours summer somewhere in there somewhere, and yes, and that's what I'm counting on Rachel. That's what I've relying on your four we need each other Lawrence. You know, what will let's just over the phone. We'll fill in the rest of this is talking about it tomorrow. Okay. Okay. Thank you. She really is the greatest well, we've been showing you video of Lindsey Graham and other Republicans during the impeachment President Bill Clinton, we've showed you that over the last several weeks. These extraordinary videos that show you just how much those Republicans have changed on all of the issues that they were declaring to be matters of principle to them back. Then when they were trying to impeach a democratic president an ever Republicans serving now in the house representatives in the Senate who voted to impeach or remove Bill Clinton from office is now using a completely different set of principles today in defending President Trump. But at the end of this hour tonight, you will meet someone who has remained consistent in his view of obstruction of Justice and crimes by presidents of the United States. One of the prosecutors from the special prosecutor's team that accused Bill Clinton of obstruction of Justice now believes President Trump is guilty of. Obstruction of Justice. And that prosecutor will join us at the end of this hour. But I it was subpoenaed day on Capitol Hill subpoenas issued and one subpoenaed denied the subpoena denied by attorney general William bar was the subject of votes today in the House Judiciary committee on holding the attorney general in contempt of congress. But to new subpoenas were issued at the end of the day today, both with bipartisan support one from the Senate intelligence committee and one from the house intelligence committee, the Senate intelligence committee chaired by Republicans. And under Richard Burr subpoenaed, Donald Trump junior to testify to the intelligence committee yesterday, the Republican leader of the Senate went to the Senate floor and said case closed and today, the Republican leader of the Senate intelligence committee issued a subpoena to Donald Trump junior. It is the first time a member of the Trump family has been subpoenaed in the investigations of the president are. I guess tonight. House intelligence goody chairman Adam Schiff with the support of the top Republican on his committee. Devin newness issued quote a subpoena to attorney general William P bar for documents and materials related to special counsel, Robert Muller's investigation, including all counter intelligence and foreign intelligence materials produced during the special counsel's investigation, the full unredacted report and the underlying evidence the showdown on that subpoena is scheduled for one week from today. Wednesday may fifteenth is the deadline and congressman shifts subpoenaed to attorney general William bar after the House Judiciary committee voted along party lines twenty four to sixteen to hold attorney general William bar in contempt of congress. No date was set for when the full house vote on contempt on that contempt of congress resolution. We will ask chairmanship, if he expects speaker Pelosi to delay the full house vote on contempt of congress until the Democrats. See what? Attorney general responses to the new intelligence committee subpoena and a statement announcing that subpoena chairman shift described quote, a good faith effort to reach an accommodation with the attorney general, but quote, the department repeatedly pays lip service to the importance of a meaningful accommodation process, but it has only responded to our efforts with silence or outright defiance chairman, Jerry Nadler told a similar story today about dealing with William bar and the Justice department. The department abruptly announced that we move forward today. It would ask President Trump to invoke what it refers to as a protective assertion of executive privilege on all of the materials. Subject to our subpoenaed just minutes ago. It took that dramatic step sides misapplying the doctrine of executive privilege since the White House waved these privileges long ago and the department seemed open to sharing these materials with us just yesterday. This decision represents a clear escalation and the Trump administration's blanket defiance of congress constitutionally mandated duties, I hope that the department will think better of this last minute, outbursts and return to negotiations. The Republicans spent the first couple of hours in the committee meeting today relying on a completely false talking point that chairman Nadler subpoena for the unredacted Mullah report would force the attorney general to break the law by releasing grand jury information that has been redacted and must remain secret by law. Chairman Nadler subpoena was very clear about that point. All we have ever asked is that the department? Join us in petitioning the court to determine if it is proper. I have access to this material that didn't stop every single Republican member of the committee leaning on the same falsehood for hours. What we're doing here is forcing attorney general to break the law, the Democrats and chairman Nadler in this committee are asking the attorney general to break the law break the law by releasing grand jury information to congress to comply with the subpoena. He must break the law. If he'll bays the law. He must disobey the subpoena. To prove that wasn't true. The Democrats accepted by unanimous voice, vote a Republican amendment that clarified. That grand jury information won't be subject to the subpoena, unless a federal court approves the release of that information, the Republicans on the committee did not seem to feel the historical weight of the moment in the same way. The Democrats did. There can be no higher stakes. Then this attempt to. To arrogate all power to the executive branch away from the from congress and more important away. From the American people we've talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. We are now in it. We are now in a constitutional crisis. If we're using phrases, I'll just use cart before the horse. That is Kelly Armstrong. He is North Dakota's only member of the house representatives because while the land mass of North Dakota is bigger than the entire state of New York. The entire population of North Dakota would fit in Jerry Nadler's district on the west side of Manhattan, Jerry Nadler and killing Armstrong represent the same number of people, but they approach their work very differently. There is no easier job in American politics than being the Republican member of the house representatives from North Dakota and Kelley Armstrong. Sure makes it look easy here. He is casting his historic vote on holding the attorney general in contempt of congress. Mr. version dollar votes. No, MR Klein, Mr. Klein votes. No, MR Armstrong, Mr. Armstrong votes. No. Hard to tell who works harder Kelley Armstrong or Donald Trump leading off. Our discussion tonight is democratic congressman Adam Schiff of California. He's the chairman of the house intelligence committee cars manship your subpoena tonight. That's seems to have bipartisan support on your committee. With Devin Nunes, how are you achieve ING a bipartisan approach to a subpoena where the judiciary committee can't well. This is probably the last venue where you thought that would happen. But look the ranking member has his own reasons for wanting to get the underlying evidence behind the report, we have our reasons, and there is that confluence of interest to make sure that the Justice barber follows the law. We both understand there's a statutory obligation to provide all foreign intelligence counterintelligence this not discretionary, and we're insisting on the information, and we may have to go down the same road in our committee that the judiciary committee is did if the Justice department. Against own walls and makes this overbroad and insupportable claim of executive privilege. Is it your sense that Devin Nunes is hoping to find all these things that he's been suggesting for a while? Now about the beginnings of the investigations of Russian interference in the election that there could be things in the mullahs report that would be very damaging somehow to the to the Democrats in the story. Well, I'm sure his motivation is not to expose the evidence of the president's obstruction of Justice or all of the interactions between the Trump campaign and the Russians and the issue of collusion. I don't think that's where he's coming from Bullock. I'll let him speak for himself. I'm just glad that we've had the support to press the department to comply with the law and at the end of the day. This is about more than the Justice president more than Justice investigation. What's at stake is whether congress can do its job. Whether if an administration is. Corrupt or malfeasance or just incompetent that can be exposed. And corrective action can be taken. If we can't do it vis-a-vis, Donald Trump. It means that every president who follows him. We'll be equally above the law. So so what does your subpoena mean to the timing of the vote in the full house on the resolution that we just saw today come out of the judiciary committee. Well, you know, the the advantage and the strength of our subpoenas. It relies on different legal grounds than the judiciary subpoena. So we have the national security act the Patriot Act and other provisions that require the department to turn these materials over to congress. We have a separate grand jury exception that applies. We don't have to initiate an impeachment proceeding or a preliminary to impeachment proceeding. They're required to provide this information. So we have an independent case to make and that gives us if necessary an alternate argument to make in court why this material needs to be provided. So we'll. Oh forward. It's more difficult. I think for them to write this office partisan exercise when both chair and ranking member have demanded that the department by do you have any sense on when the full house will vote on the contempt of congress attorney general, you know, I think a lot of these issues are coming to head in the various committees. And I think it would make sense for us to try to consolidate at least the date when we take up these contempt resolutions if there are multiple resolutions, so they can be judicata at one time. And that we don't take up time every week to relitigate this. But at the end of the day, we're going to use the mechanism necessary to make sure that we can do our oversight. We may have to look if the court process takes too long into using Congress's inherent contempt power. We may look at fencing money for these agencies. So they can use it until they comply. We're going to have to use whatever tools. We can what is your sense of what's happening in the. In the Senate intelligence committee the day after the Republican Senate majority leader says case closed, the Republican chairman of the Senate intelligence committee subpoenas. The president's son will look I think in the Senate Intel committee, they don't want to be messed with by these witnesses. And when they have someone who is where the questions about truthfulness. If that's the issue or there's additional facts that have come to light that they need to explore and they feel they're getting the run around. They're going to use compulsion to bring people in. And that's as it should be a we have concerns about Don juniors testimony before our committee and we've had concerns about others. We may bring back some of the witnesses that we had in before others like Eric prince, we chose not to bring back chose simply to refer to the Justice department for potential perjury prosecution, but we're going through those analyses now. So in a case like Eric prince, you believe just. On what you see in the mullahs report. And what you see in your own transcripts with him. You see perjury as you as you're look prince's testimony was so demonstrably false before committee that we felt compelled to make the referral and to show side by side what he told us, and what was revealed in the special counsel report how he told us that his meeting with. Dmitriev this Russian most state banker was a pure coincidence that happened to go halfway around the world and end up at the shells and bump into this guy at the bar or be. Invited to meet him by the crown prince. The number of meetings. He said he had the topics that he said he had whether he was had advanced notice of the meeting all that stuff is contradicted by the mullahs report by witnesses who spoke to Muller and often by prince himself. Now, there may be issues about whether they can prosecute that because of the miss ability or the availability of witnesses and testimony. But nonetheless, the testimony was so palpably false. We felt the need to refer it. Do you feel the need to hear from Donald Trump junior? Again, we'll use peanut Don Trump, John. We may. We haven't made that decision yet. We're looking through. What are the most important witnesses to bring back, I which would can shed additional light. And we we've had that dilemma with other witnesses as well where we thought they were less than truthful. Do we bring them back in and give them an opportunity to try to get their stories straight? Or do we make a referral or other other purposes for bringing them back? What's your timetable on those kind? Of decisions we're making them on ongoing basis. So we have made outreach to witnesses where starting with those that we believe maybe cooperative that can shed light on issues. We're dealing with others privately right now who are resisting. And we're trying to work out an agreement for them to come to testify before we have to compel them. So all of that is ongoing and all that will most part is outside the public eye on Donald Trump junior there couple of things one is he had said to congress that he had very little involvement in the Moscow Trump Tower. Michael Cohen says he was heavily involved, and he talked to at least ten times and during the campaign, that's one possible. A change difference in Donald Trump junior says some of the other is in the mall report. Michael Cohen says that he heard Donald Trump junior telling his father about the meeting with Russians in Trump Tower before the meeting occurred that's also in the mall report. That's not. Donald Trump junior said to either committee when when he spoke to the committees are those the areas that you'd like to clarify with those are certainly some of the areas and one of the issues that we had with Don, jR, was his simple refusal to answer whole categories of questions. And this was not the case alone. With Don jR, Steve Bannon, did the same thing Corey Lewandowski hope picks they were whole sets of questions that these witnesses refused to answer. And this again proves just what a falsehood. It is when Bill bar talks about how cooperative the president has been with the investigations. These witnesses often told us that they would not answer the questions under instructions from the White House, and we would ask them. Are you sorting some form of privilege, and they would say no, we just been asked basically not to operate. So with respect to a number of these areas. We simply got no answers with respect to others. We got answers that we have serious questions about their veracity, and we should remind viewers that that was when the KOMO. City was under Republican control and the rules of these interactions were being set by the Republican majority on the committee, basically and no one was under subpoena. They could all get up and walk out of the room. If they wanted to, you know, yes. And the most graphic example was actually Steve Bannon who came in and when he came in. He was no longer Breitbart. He was no longer in favor in the White House. And so the Republicans took great umbrage when he refused to answer questions. They felt there was no repercussion for them to look like they were serious investigation. He refused. They actually subpoenaed him on the spot. But when we tried to get them to enforce the subpoena, hold him in contempt because it continued to refuse to answer questions, then that was a bridge too far. And it shows just how willing they were to go through the show of it that the chauvinist investigation, but not the reality of it. When it came to compelling answers to questions chairman, Adam Schiff, thank you very much for joining us again tonight, really really important to have you here. Really appreciate. And when we come back. They are closing. In on Donald Trump's tax returns. The New York Times is closing in the New York state legislatures closing in and the chairman of the House Ways, and means committee is closing in on Donald Trump's taxes. That's next. Hi, it's Katy Tur wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. The day after the New York Times revealed that Donald Trump has paid zero in taxes over several years. He complemented his rally audience tonight in Florida four paying their taxes the invisible people, and you know, what you are. You're the smartest. You the hardest working you pay your taxes. You do all of this stuff? And who can forget when Hillary Clinton accused Donald Trump of not paying taxes. And he said that means he's smart. Maybe he doesn't want the American people all of you watching tonight to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen where a couple of years when he had to turn them over to stay thority when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So eight. Donald Trump was not telling the truth tonight. When he said that the people who pay their taxes are the smartest people, but the people much smarter than Donald Trump now are closing in on his taxes House Ways, and means committee chairman Richard Neal has issued a legal demand to the IRS for Donald Trump's taxes, which the chairman of the ways, and means committee is uniquely empowered to do by law. He will get those tax returns. Either at the end of a lawn court battle or on the next inauguration day afternoon when a president not named Trump is sworn in on January twentieth. Twenty twenty just about a year and a half from now and the New York state legislature is now trying to help congress by passing a Bill today in the New York state Senate that mirrors federal law. It says that New York state will provide any New York state tax returns demanded by the chairman of the house to House Ways and means committee or the. Chairman of the Senate finance committee or the chairman of the joint tax committee of congress that is an exact mirror of the federal law. That chairman Neil has been using to obtain the Trump tax returns, the state legislatures expected to pass the Bill governor Andrew Cuomo has said he will sign it. So New York state tax returns mirror federal tax returns. They contain much of the same information. So chairman Neil may now be just weeks away from -taining Donald Trump's New York state tax returns, which will be almost as revealing as his federal tax returns. In the meantime, the New York Times has taken a giant step closer to Donald Trump's tax returns with their blockbuster reporting last night on ten years of IRS transcripts of Donald Trump's tax information showing that Donald Trump lost over a billion dollars in those ten years and did not pay taxes in eight of those years. The times article quotes, the former direct. Or of research analysis and statistics at the IRS Mark measure on the accuracy of IRS transcripts aren't measure will join us in just a moment. House speaker Nancy Pelosi commented on the New York Times story today. Does tell us though, that it would be useful to see his tax returns. As the law says. Administration shell give the ten shell doesn't say MICH should could under certain circumstances. It says shell gives those tax returns to the to the ways and means schoneman, again, all of this is so. Wall and precedent based to do the right thing as we go forward, and there are several options. One of them is to go directly to court. Joining us now is congressman Lloyd Doggett, a senior member of the House Ways and means committee. He's a democrat from Texas. Also, joining us is Mark measure. He's a former director of research and Lewis and statistics at the IRS and former assistant secretary of the treasury for tax policy. He's currently with the tax policy center and carbon dioxide I want to start with you. It looks like the New York state legislature may be giving you some help as well. As the help you got last night from the New York Times. Well, of course, the report in the New York Times shows what a loser. This president is that he demonstrated in business about the same negotiating skill. He's shown recently with the North Koreans and it points up. Why are we really need these returns? Because there are so many lies that are here, and so many questions about how Americans have can have confidence in the tax system. If the president is not doing his part and has not done his part as far as the New York. Action. I think it's important I'm pleased they're proceeding. But there is other information the working papers the auditing the questions about whether he was even under audit that we need to get directly with chairman Neal's important request under article sixty one zero three or section sixty one zero three Mark actually, I'm to call you mister secretary because the last time we talked to I was it was in your office at the treasury years ago when you were the assistant secretary for tax policy, so many issues to deal with first of all I learned from you in the New York Times reporting that your quotes about what IRS transcripts are. I actually didn't know about these documents that the IRS has. What are the way who gets those documents? It's the the New York Times could have obtained those documents from sources other than just the IRS. Correct. So those documents are available at the tax payers they can request the transcript from the IRS. It's basically a summary of your tax returns. So some people may not keep their tax returns and may request a transcript sometimes lenders request transcript. So if you go to get a mortgage, the mortgage company wants to see what your earnings are. They may ask you to request a transcript and give it to them. It's kind of a simpler set of documents that can show many more years of tax information than just a single stack of attacks rate the transcript shows one year at a time. Yeah. But. Can get a bunch of them and put them all together and the accuracy of those transcripts, so if you think about the time period under question here hasn't been one thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety many people most people filed on paper in those days. The IRS had an army of people at service centers who would transcribe those returns and put him into machine readable form, and it typically were keypunch twice either twice by the same person or two different people and that helped ensure that they're accurate because they were used there would be electric version of all the data that they had on taxpayers. So is used for almost every purpose cars dog at the the deadline has it has come for chairman Neil to decide which way to proceed he is indicated he will decide soon within the next day or two is it most likely going to be a chairman Neil simply suing the Treasury Secretary for basically violating the law that requires the handing over of the Trump tax returns was his decision. But I believe that is the most expeditious path. It's a path that you how outlined on your program by Professor George in an expert in that area. Just as Mark is in his someone. We would all turn to for advice on this that will allow us to move directly expeditiously without a subpoena at a later time. It may be an it's not inconsistent to go ahead and subpoena them also. And of course, just as Adam Schiff told you about the work of his committee. There is the matter of inherent contempt power with congress. If we just have them running out the clock. I think we need to invoke that inherent contempt a power and use it. With regard to this issue and market. You have so much experience at the joint tax committee, and as the assistant secretary for tax policy at the IRS when you look at what the New York Times was reporting from those transcripts over those ten years, including this very sudden and. Steriods mountain of interest income of fifty two million dollars. Just kind of in tax information. Terms comes from out of nowhere and disappears. So there's some mountainous asset. That's throwing off fifty million dollars in interest. That wasn't there before wasn't there later. What what are you see when you read all that information? So you look at this. And basically, you expect real estate investors to occasionally have losses. They especially on depreciate Jackley rises. Right. Exactly. So they depreciate the property. That's part of the the investment that you get a loss. You sell the property hope to get a gain. What's different here is the string of losses altogether. And when interest debt was forgiven it's supposed to be income taken into account, then that doesn't show up anywhere during this decade. Oh, that's a really important point. So if I owe a million dollars, and at some point, I simply default on the paying of the million dollars and the the creditor the Bank wherever that is says. You know, what forget it. That's actually a million dollars of income to if you had a student loan same thing. Yeah. And none of that. So he he seems to be having debts forgiven, and none of that's being declared as income. Right. So I think the story here is there's a lot more questions than answers to you pointed to the interest income, which is a question not obvious where it comes from where it went. But also having all these losses, and no corresponding income when debt was forgiven also mystery you both know that I could continue this discussion for the next couple of hours. So we're going to have to do it on another night. Carson Lloyd Doggett Mark measure. Thank you both very much for journalists. Really? Appreciate it. Thank you. And when we come back more evidence today that House Democrats could be moving closer to impeachment. Whether they want to or not. Then see Pelosi has been trying to manage the politics of impeachment for over a year during last year's congressional campaign. She didn't want democratic candidates talking about impeachment, but reporters kept asking questions about impeachment, which left speaker Pelosi saying things like he's just not worth it. When asked about impeaching, President Trump. But as speaker Pelosi said today, Donald Trump has kept adding fuel to the impeachment fire. Phobic president is going into wants to go to send to impeachment because he knows as do. I that that that's not a good thing for the Congo. Maybe he knows that. But he knows that. I think that let's put it that way. I think that that the the point is is that every single day. Whether it's obstruction of -struction, obstruction of -struction of having people come to the table with facts of Norring subpoenas in every single day. The president is making a case is his becoming self impeachable in terms of some of the things that he let's. Speaker Pelosi has not been trying to control the rhetoric or the positions of the democratic presidential candidates and many of them are now speaking very clearly and force forcefully about impeachment, especially Senator Elizabeth Warren who became the first Senator to support the impeachment of President Trump in a speech on the Senate floor actually recorded in the congressional record. That was yesterday when we come back from this break, Adam gentlemen, former deputy chief of staff to Harry Reid and Jennifer Mary, former Hillary Clinton communications director will be here to discuss the role of impeachment politics in the democratic presidential campaign. There is no political inconvenience exception to the United States constitution, if any other human being in this country had done what's documented in the Muller report. They would be arrested and put in jail. Our discussion turns to politics now as we're joined by Jennifer Palmeria, former White House communications director for President Obama and former communications director for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Also with us, Adam gentlemen, former deputy chief of staff to Senator Harry Reid. He's now the director of public affairs for democracy for it. Jennifer. It's been fascinating for me to watch the caution that professional Democrats have used the word impeachment over the last year. And there seems to be less and less caution and more and more passion that with twenty twenty class. And we've talked about this before I think that the congress. This is a very serious moment, and the congress has to father their constitutional responsibilities. I agree with Senator war, and there's not a in a politically inconvenient excuse claws to get you out of that. I do think I do still wonder about speaker Pelosi. I'm not sure that she's I think she's playing chess. I don't think she's playing checkers. Think. Four. I think that the presidential candidates being to the left of her as it were on impeachment. It's fine for her purposes. She can continue to say give him more and more rope and say new he's self impeaching himself. He keeps he's like he wants us. He wants his fight. And then if if the fight does get joined she's like done done what she could to show that it's in playing politics and not that. So so good because you teach me how to watch her. So so I'm not really watching her in my head. What you said today because I looked at that today. And I thought wait NC Pelosi has not wanted impeachment. He has she hasn't wanted people talking about impeachment and here she is going on and on about it for her ending with that phrase self impeachment. And I don't know what it means. But you're making the understand what she means. She means Donald Trump is making this inevitable, and she's she's trying to sound like the reasonable one which she does something right, right? That he he thinks that then his political interest to do that. So that if the Democrats do end up doing this, she's laid down a the greater which she can that this is not in the Democrats political interests. They're forced into it. Because they're they're the ones that are upholding the constitution. You would be so much better at this avengers. Call you every night around seven, Adam Adam, but still there's a lot of discussion about the smart politics of this and the smart politics of impeachment, and there's been a lot of fears that it could be very bad for the Democrats politically is there a way of sorting that out. I haven't been able to figure out what is the smart politics. But I think it's hard to tell I think at some point you just have to do the right thing. And with the power that you have. I mean, we've had two recent impeachments of the president's in recent decades, one worked out well, politically for the party that impeached and one didn't and you might draw from that the lesson that the public thinks impeachment is a good thing when they think the president deserves it and don't when they think the president doesn't in this case the crimes at stake are so major that. I think there's a good bet. The public will think that he does deserve it. But you also have to start putting one foot in front of the other and using the power that you have to do the right thing. There's this old saying in the one in doubt, go with the principle of the thing. And this this could be one of those. I have to say though, that the thing we've never the dynamic. We've never seen here before in our lifetimes is this is this impeachment talk about a first term president Nixon was in his second term Bill Clinton was his second term. There was no election that it was bumping up against this president can be gotten rid of within the almost the same time. Frame of impeachment. If you just waited up to the election. Yeah. And I do think about that a lot. But I think that this is the time where our democratic institutions are being tested, and they all really need to and the president breaks norms every day. And so I think it's incumbent upon congress to be particularly vigilant and upholding its role and looks to me as if the woods laid out in the mullahs report is very serious, and they should pursue their hearings. And if they find that if that leads them to impeachment proceedings, they should undertake that without regard to politics because what happens the next time, right? What the president is literally considered above above the law and democracies die when you have somebody who is an authoritarian position comes to power who breaks norms and the other party and effort to defeat that person. Does the same thing. The what about the Senate? I mean, we watch a lot this battle for control of the house, which Nancy Pelosi successfully one of the. Control. The Senate is a very different game in this next election. That's right. But I think and people one of the reasons people sort of fast forward on the politics of impeachment is they say, okay, even if the house doesn't teach him the Senate won't vote to remove and that probably is true, but people who are up for reelection in the Senate in twenty twenty people like Cory Gardner people like Susan Collins voting against impeachment or against removal from office is not an easy vote for them. So if Democrats are counting on an anti-trump feeling to carry them to victory in twenty twenty having a house. Impeach Senate over to the Senate, forcing them to take a tough vote is a great way to bring the anti-trump energy to the Senate as you could then conceivably in that scenario end up with a majority vote against the president in the Senate you need to birds so he wouldn't be removed, but you could end up with fifty one or fifty to be quite a historical statement. And then Watergate, a public opinion hung in hung in there with Nixon for a very long time that Republicans hung in there with next and for a very long time until it was not until the summer of seventy four. It all started claps resigns in August. So again, I think you shouldn't get people shouldn't game at Alvis should proceed with beaches with that. That is what's warranted? And then let the Senate do their trial. We might be surprised at what happens squeeze in a break hero be calling tomorrow night to find out what I should think. Jennifer pulmonary, gentlemen. Thank you both for joining us. Really? Appreciate it. And when we come back every Republican serving in congress now in the house or the Senate who actually was there when they voted to impeach Bill Clinton is now using a different set of principles today in defending President Trump every one of them one of Kenneth Starr's, prosecutors working in the special prosecutor's office at that time is now calling them out for their hypocrisy. Turns out Lindsey Graham. Didn't mean a word of what you're about to hear him say. So the point I'm trying to make is you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional Republic at this body determines that your conduct is a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Thank God you did that because impeachment is not about punishment impeachment is about cleansing the office. And patriot is about restoring honor in integrity to the office. Those Lindsey Graham when he was a member of the House Judiciary committee serving as one of the prosecutors in these Senate impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton, Lindsey Graham, no longer believes anything that he said then about the principles involved in that impeachment. But some of the people on Graham side of that case against Bill Clinton have remained consistent. One of them is Paul Rosenberg who was one of the prosecutors working under special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, Paul Rosenberg is now one of the eight hundred former federal prosecutors who have signed a letter saying that they believe the mullahs report reveals prosecutable case of obstruction of Justice against President Trump Paul Rosenberg will join us next. Our nation is indeed at a crossroads will. We pursue the search for truth or while we dodge we evade the truth. I'm of course, referring to the investigation into serious allegations of illegal conduct by the president of the United States. That the president has engaged in a persistent pattern and practice of obstruction of Justice. Journalists cushion now is Paul Rosenzweig. He's the former senior counsel on the special prosecutor Kenneth Starr's team who prosecuted President Bill Clinton. He recently wrote that there is ample reason to begin an impeachment inquiry against President Trump. He's currently a senior fellow at the r street institute and Paul what is it like when you see people like Mitch McConnell? Lindsey Graham in the video from yesteryear, when you were on the same side of viewed the impeachment of president the same way and the investigation of president the same way and to see them today with no nothing, but defensive comments or more likely nothing to say about what President Trump has done cognitive dissonance. I mean, it's just it's very difficult for me to understand how you could have held that view twenty years ago. And yet today be unwilling to follow the logic of your of your past history. It just it's disappointing in many ways, I thought politics was a more about principle. Then apparently, it is in the piece you wrote I reviewed that your review of what the obstruction evidence was against Bill Clinton. And it was some of it was just. A conversation. He had with one of the staff members right outside of his office door where he would say to her. Well, I didn't do anything with Monica Lewinsky. Right. And he claimed that he was just refreshing his memory with her. He wasn't trying to tell her what to say, the Donald Trump, obstruction evidence is much clearer in solid than that. Isn't it? I in my judgment. Yes. I mean, if you accept what Don Mcgann, the White House counsel has reported to have said he was actually directed. I to fire Muller itself. Possibly an obstructive act. But then certainly obstruction struck obstructive when he was asked to create a full-size record of the earlier conversation and falsely denied that it had happened. That's kind of a classic instance of tampering with a witness as memory, and it was much blunter if you will much more direct than the somewhat subtle efforts of President Clinton. I wasn't any longer. Working in the Senate during the Clinton impeachment. But I had a lot of contact with democratic senators, and I remember when they started the process when they knew oboe this impeachment cases coming to the Senate. We're going to be jurors a bunch of them expected to some day come across that passage somewhere. That would explain to them exactly what high crime and misdemeanor was. And I can remember actually a Senator Moynihan who was scholar in his scholarly way. Trying to find that one day just saying to me it turns out, it's whatever we say it is. Meaning there is no judicial review about it. So it's it's really kind of up to them. And what his position was and many Democrats was they weren't contesting the evidence at all they didn't contest any of the evidence that you presented. They simply said we hear you. We hear your case. We don't believe this rises to the level that deserves removal of and so that's not what we get from Republicans Republicans are saying there's nothing here. Lindsey Graham is saying there's nothing here. I think that's. Right. I mean, it would be more sensible and perhaps consistent to say. I hear you. The evidence is is is fair. But it doesn't rise to a level of impeachment. We shouldn't put the country through that. There's an election coming up as your last set of guests said that will really decide the issue. So let's leave it to them those are all plausible arguments. But to deny as as a Torney general bar did the actual import of the facts and to say that this does not constitute obstruction when on a weaker set of facts twenty years ago. People said, oh, that's definitely obstruction of Justice is is to blink reality. I this. Oh, there's no question in your mind that the obstruction case against Bill Clinton was which you prosecuted was weaker than the obstruction case against Donald Trump. I thought both were strong. But if you're if you're kind of measuring their meritorious nece, the pervasiveness of of the president's activities today, and as we said the bluntness with which he. Receded the kind of directive nature of it makes this in my certainly an easier case to prove I'll put it that way, Paul roads. Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having shit at ballrooms while gets tonight's less word Willie guys to your head over to the Sunday. Sit down podcast for a very special bonus episode where I interview my dad Bill Geist about his hilarious new memoir lake of the Ozarks tough booking. But I landed it get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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What Meddling?; Winning Issue, But For Which Side?; Barr Fight

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What Meddling?; Winning Issue, But For Which Side?; Barr Fight

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The all caps treatment falling unemployment a fifty year, low strong job creation. Very impressive results. Almost across the board. Strong enough for the president to stay on message about it for a good four hours or so which gets us to our big story tonight. Not for what it says about the president's message disciplined, but what it says about more substantive matters. Because today, the president United States had the opportunity to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin over his interference the two thousand sixteen presidential election and warned him not to do it again armed with the findings Robert Muller's report and free from any immediate criminal liability for his own actions during the campaign or the investigation he might have finally been free to signal to his Russian counterpart the question of foreign attacks on American democracy is not personal and not partisan perhaps he'd finally be able to tell him that any current or future tax will not be tolerated ever. He had the chance to do that today when the two leaders spoke by phone, but apparently he didn't and keep him on. He was asked about it this afternoon. Battling issues that came up in the report with Mr Putin tonight, we discussed the actually. Sorta smiled when he said something to the effect that it started off as a mountain, and it ended up being a mouse. But he knew that because he knew there was no collusion whatsoever. So pretty much. That's what it was. I mean, it almost sounds. They're like President Trump is still more concerned about denying his couple -bility than addressing Vladimir Putin's. Anyway, it's good. He got a second chance to answer. The question. Did you tell them not to meddle excuse me? I'm talking I'm answering this question. You have very rude. So we had a good conversation about many different things. We didn't discuss that really and discuss. So no talk from the commander in chief on today's call warning the leader of our main nuclear adversary, not to do it again, plenty of talk about how unfair this all this to him. I was totally transparent because I knew I did nothing wrong. It turned out. I did nothing wrong. No collusion with Russia. Thank you thirty five million dollars. They spent they wasted over a period of two years. No collusion. No obstruction. Thank you very much. Appreciate they actually clawed back. Tens of millions dollars from Paul Manafort. His final words on the subject today by contrast, your some Robert Muller's first words on it. Quoting now from the introduction of volume. One of his report, the Russian government interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Also, the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts. Now, despite that the report goes on to say, and I'm quoting again, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities whoever did detail numerous efforts by the Russians to interfere in the election. Some with the public encouragement of the camp. Pain or of President Trump himself, and of course, in volume to the Muller team lays out a laundry list of potential obstruction of Justice without either indicting or exonerating the president so to the president's own behavior. The report is the very least unflattering some respects inconclusive as to Russia's actions, though, could not be clear Russia hit this country with a sweeping and systematic targeted disinformation and deception campaign, and that's the bottom line, and it hasn't stopped. Despite public statements by the Kremlin to the contrary. We continue to see individuals affiliated with the Saint Petersburg based internet research agency, creating new social media accounts masquerading as Americans and then using these accounts to draw attention to divisive issues. Well, that's director of national intelligence. Dan Coats, last July the same day, July thirteenth special counsel Muller charge. Twelve officers of Russian military intelligence, the GRU with committing quote Lord scale, cyber operations to interfere with the 2016 US presidential election. So just three days after that the president met with Latimer. Putin in Helsinki armed with his denies assessment. The Muller indictment and far more. If you wanted to use it. I think you know, the answer he did not instead with the perpetrator standing by his side, he sided with the perpetrator. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others. They said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be five great confidence in my intelligence people. But I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. Fast forward to today, it's impossible to gauge the strength of Latimer Putin's denial this time because this time apparently none was needed. You only need a denial when the other guy makes an accusation and clearly president offered on. So yet again as it was during the campaign as it wasn't Helsinki as it's been all along President, Trump simply cannot bring himself to confront Vladimir Putin about this perspective now from someone who's watched this all play out as it happened from the inside know national security analyst, James Clapper, was director of national television said the time you serve presidents and both parties for decades and. Is the author of facts and fear. It's hard truth from a life in intelligence. Torture clapper. The prisoner says that he in Vladimir Putin did not talk about these weeping Russian cyber attack and the two thousand sixteen election that Muller is detailed. I mean, the prisoners, correct? When he says Muller determined there was no conspiracy with the Trump campaign, but it doesn't make what the Russians did any less real. Are you surprised at all that it just doesn't come up between these two no not innocent? Unfortunately, because when you think about it both of them are in a state of denial about the Russian meddling. Obviously Putin will continue to deny that there wasn't any Russian meddling. So he's in his reality world. And of course, President Trump does not want to acknowledge it because when he does in his mind, I think it cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election. So shouldn't come as a surprise anybody that they're they're just not going to bring it up? I mean, even if the president doesn't want to talk about the two thousand sixteen interference because he thinks it is somehow threat to his. To the validity of his actual election. The whole idea of what's going to happen in the next election, and frankly every election after that, I mean, the president's own intelligence community says this is an ongoing threat to American democracy. You know, I find it ironic that people in the Trump administration criticize the Obama administration for not doing anything yet. Here we as approaching twenty twenty and there was an ideal opportunity for the for President Trump to make clear once again that the, you know, don't meddle in our political processes, and you're right. You know, if we don't do that. And of course, this just in the Russians of mine gives them license even more to push the envelope and to interfere in twenty twenty to that point about the Obama ministrations Sanders said quote this administration and like the previous one takes election meddling seriously. And we're gonna do everything we can to prevent it from happening. A what do you make of their characterization of the Obama administration's reaction and also the president doesn't seem to be holding high level meetings or cabinet level discussions on a routine basis or if at all about Russia. Meddling. Well for point one is the above just for the record. The Obama administration did take a Russian meddling very seriously. And did did things about it for one President Obama did directly confront Putin about it and didn't ask him. Hey, are you interfere in our election? And there is there is an element missing here in my view is the void of that can only be filled by the unique bully pulpit that only the president occupies to galvanize the country the voters about what the Russians are up to and what they might do. And I would just hope we'd pay more attention to volume one of Mullah report, which documented and exhaustive detail something that looking back we just kind of scratched the surface of in January seventeen about the Russian meddling that is the big deal here. And if you want to you know, who's who's the winner and all this Wiedeman Putin, it is sort of interesting when you look back over the last two years of the Trump administration. The president has never really made a speech to the American public about what happened and about how they're going to prevent it from ever happening again you would. Think that's the kind of thing there would at least be one speech to the nation about as opposed as opposed to every public comedies made is essentially undercutting the idea that it might even be Russia. Well, exactly, and of course, taken Putin's phony assurance that. There was no meddling over that the word of his own intelligence community. And I say his own intelligibility, not the prior one. And you know, that it leaves doubt. I think in the minds of many Americans, and it encourages the Russians to do more. No surprise, the presidency's upon this New York Times reporting that we discussed last night. I'm curious your take the times detailing how the FBI sent where they call it. An investigator undercover investigator to meet with George popadopoulos in London as part of its counterintelligence inquiry into the Trump campaign and Russia, the president suggesting that it was inappropriate or nefarious. How do you see it? Well, this is a standard invested investigatory technique that the users they use it in counterterrorism investigations. And it has been under the use of undercover officers undercover agents that has led to the rolling up of enforcing of terrorist plots in this country, and it's a legitimate technique. The narrative, obviously is spying on. A campaign. No, it was trying to understand what the Russians were doing. And the FBI has very. You know strict protocols for the use of undercover agents, and I I'm sure that was the case here start to clap. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thanks anderson. Much more head, including how today's economic news plays into next year's presidential election, and whether more days like today could usher in a second term for President Trump joining us to democratic strategists Jim Messina and James Carville coined the phrase, it's the economy stupid later, a member of the House Judiciary committee on Torney general bars decision not to answer questions yesterday. His chairman's next move to force bar to show up as well as the controversy. This congressman sparked the bucket of fried chicken. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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There's a great saying when you're Ponant is drowning throw Manville Mr. Trump is already underwater. Where's the end Ville in this economy because there were strong job numbers announced just today and unemployment obviously lowest level, right? Well, for first of all the Clinton economy was much wrong on Al Gore's own label win by half million votes. Secondly, if you look at this economic growth somewhere between two thirds and three quarters of it is in counties that Hillary Clinton carried. I mean, this is this is urban. Economy that that that really owned far? And you know, if discontinues I've back, obviously, hope it does it more people being employed it it could help him. But does far it hadn't helped him at all? Jim. What do you do about swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania Democrats need to win them back in two twenty twenty? But if the economy under print Trump is doing well, why would voters even if it's urban areas? Why would voters want to change course? Because they looked at it again. Sorry, sorry. This for Jim. Oh, sorry. They look at this and say is healthcare good. You know, President Trump stripped healthcare from a bunch of Americans said he was going to replace ObamaCare. Didn't do anything. They look at their future and say is investing in education. They're gonna ask one very simple question. Anderson. Who's on my side? I think when there's a clear choice between our economic agenda, and there's will win that choice James vice president Biden at this stage at least in the race. So he says, you know, entry into the race seems to be looking at it through a lens less ends of economics and more moral ends. He says that's the real vulnerability for President Trump. But he's basically not fit for office and doing morally bad things to America. How hard is it to get people to overlook? What may be good financial news for them and focus on an issue like that a moral issue? Well, I mean, I I like forty percent of the people United States don't have four hundred dollars in the Bank. And while the Konami is booming particularly Bowman in urban areas. I think Los Angeles County growing faster than anywhere else in the country. A lot of people don't feel it. And a lot of people feel like that distribution in this economy is nowhere near what it should be. And so many at a gang to go into the few and the rest to get left behind. And I still think that's a winning message for Democrats, and Jim Messina just pointed out that the whole healthcare thing has got people really really concerned. I mean, you can tell me this economy anybody can afford description drugs, we can go tell people that. I don't think that they can and like say to get into he took a already good economy two at trillion dollars worth of stimulus. We're going to run a trillion dollar deficit this year and a good economy. And if you remember the nineties under President Clinton, we were running surpluses and by the time President Obama left audit off this desktop was going down Senate GDP faceted anytime since World War Two. So I think both. Of these gentlemen, have a really good reggae can look back on. And did it in a fiscally responsible way? Do you? I'm wondering what you make of Biden's kind of looking past the table top issues at least in his announcement and focusing on president President Trump la- keys in a democratic. Sorry. This one's for Jim. Sorry, James saw. Anyway, Jim go ahead. Well, look he's in a democratic primary and the single unifying force in the democratic primary is our hatred of Donald Trump. And so he's smartly saying I'm not gonna pull myself down and started talking about my twenty five opponents and instead going right at Donald Trump, which I think is what he's gotta do. And he's got a contrast himself with Donald Trump is James has just talking about. And he's got to lay out a vision for where he wants to take this country. And I think he'll be stronger if he does that James, a you hear a lot of Democrats discussing we'll do you reach for new voters who have been underrepresented, and who maybe who haven't been touched by the Democratic Party or revenue been motivated to come out to vote. It you stick with trying to mobilize your base, or is it not a binary choice. It's really not a binary choice. Parties want to expand. Look, we're not running a fraternity sorority here way. One just people. You know, the urban diverse too cool to hip we want everybody in Jim and I understand profoundly. And you talking about West Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin. If we don't do better in rural parts of those states, and we we might suffer the same fate. We self in two thousand eight sixty plus a hate to tell people but fifty percent of the Senate is elected by eighteen percent of the United States. But we're not we're not going to do that searching around to get, you know, core urban voters at a part of our coalition. We've got to expand our coalition. I'm proud of what these democratic candidates stand full, Scott and tell people in northern Wisconsin, western Michigan northern Florida and places like that. What we do it. I'm all for that. I think it's really dumb to more exclusionary partied. I just focuses on people like yourself. Jim. How much do Democrats need to avoid getting sucked into you know, the day to day drama the White House. The latest tweet or in congress or even at the Justice department and concentrate on tabletop issues healthcare taxes. Yeah. This is something I'm worried about right? President Trump's like free beer. He says something crazy every day, and you can have a lot of fun with it. And you go online and raise a bunch of money and get Democrats excited, but voters care about these tabletop issues, you just asked me about and we've got to stay focused on these economic bread and butter issues that win presidential elections. And that's why James, and I wrote this op Ed we're going around the country trying to meet with as many campaigns as we can and just say the same thing, which is if you look at Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, we won elections, and we focused on both exciting our base and talking to the swing voters who are going to decide this election. We can and should do both things. Jim Messina James Carville, a present you being on thanks very much. Thank you. There is you bet the bed is in the Wall Street Journal check it out still head was it finger licking good politics or a bad way to play chicken with the attorney general the United States over some very serious issues. Talk to a member of the House Judiciary committee who. Eating chicken at the hearing next. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. How should judiciary chairman Jerry Nadler is giving attorney general bar until Monday to respond to a letter demanding Justice department handover, the unredacted Muller report and underlying evidence to congress Nadler said deadline of nine AM for barter respond said he would move to contemporary seatings, if the attorney general doesn't comply Nadler's letter comes one day after VAR skipped a House Judiciary committee hearing after the committee voted to allow staff attorneys to question him when democrat on the committee, congressman Steve Cohen called the attorney general chicken bar for not showing up until straight his point. He chowed down on some KFC congressman Cohen joins us. Now. Congressman thanks for being with us. So the new Monday deadline for from Nadler. How do you think the Justice department and attorney general bar we'll respond? I mean is there any reason to believe they're going to turn over documents? Your committee wants. I have no reason to believe they'll do anything that is in keeping with the traditions of the relationship between the executive and the judicial as equal co equal branches of government. I think they will stonewall at all costs because they they're they know that they can't give up information and data or their president will be exposed for the type of person and the actions, he's undertaken German Adler. It's talked about moving to contemporary eatings if the attorney general doesn't comply. What does that actually what would that actually look like? Well, I hope it would be inherent contempt because an inherent contempt. We go out and take him and bring him in having personally brought to the house if it's a zoo actually want to send out the surgeon at arms and force these general account. Yes. Because otherwise, it's up to the Justice department. The Justice department is not going to do anything to take a contempt citation from us and enforce it against the their boss. So you know, you've got an impossible situation there in the leaves us. No, other alternative except to use our sergeant at arms and to bring him in. He is being utterly contemptuous of congress. He has lied to the congress Charlie Crist asked him about the attitudes or the feelings of the Muller people in Muller, and he claimed he had no idea. He lied speaker Pelosi said that yesterday. She's correct. When you bring him in are, you do you actually actually support the idea of putting him in a are you talking about just having him sit for a hearing or or locking him up somehow? The F to have him sit for hearing. And I think you have to have him locked up unless he agrees to participate and come to the hearing he that or having been a room with somebody like, Mike what's his name gates, just the two of them that might be more difficult punishment? But I do actually believe that the attorney that you're going to that your community is going to order the attorney general the United States to be arrested by the sergeant of arms and put in jail. I don't know what we'll do. But we can't just go to the Justice department his meaningless. I mean, it just it shows that we want to hold him in contempt. But the fact is he won't be held in contempt because the Justice department is not going to enforce a contempt citation against their boss. This is not going to happen and Trump and bar would fire whoever tried to do it do your. I mean, have you talked about this with everybody on the committee or do your colleagues support this? No, it it's strictly up to chairman Nadler. But I think this is the most contemptuous conduct towards congress. We've ever had. He. He's lied to congress. He's refused to attend. He tried to dictate the terms of of oversight. And that's never happened before we've had lots of precedent for council questioning people in in hearings, not just impeachment hearings. But hearings of all kinds. We had it in whitewater. We've had it in many types of hearings. We had it back in the McCarthy era, Bobby Kennedy question people in whitewater, Richard Benvenisti, and Michael Chertoff question people. It's a much more adept way to question somebody when you can follow up on your questions and not be cut off and not be filibustered. And he's afraid he was afraid of it. And that's why he didn't come in. I mean, if if it actually came to us ending this origin of arms or committee, sending the sergeant of arms to apprehend arresting attorney general, isn't that hinting Republicans? An incredible thing to you know, two point two as democratic overreach. I mean that you they they went after you for the, you know, the chicken stunt yesterday, and it gave them talking points that you weren't taking, you know, this this whole thing seriously. I don't think anybody was adverse to what I did with the chicken anybody who had a modicum of a sense of humor or a modicum of of intelligence or understanding liked those that failed in those two criteria didn't and for those people get a life congressman coming. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much for more in the subpoena fight, we're joined by C N N legal analyst, pre per our pre former US attorney and author of doing Justice. Prosecutors thoughts and crime punishment and the rule of law. Is that a world that we exist in that the surgeon of arms is actually gonna go and arrest, the attorney general the United States. I don't expect that to happen. I suppose that's a possibility. We haven't seen that in at least my memory. Congressional investigations and congressional back and forth with these executive branch relies on both the law what the constitution says, but also public opinion and also on on momentum for their investigations. And I think you know, it's frustrating when we have these conversations about how the impasse is going to be resolved. What happens when the subpoena is ignored in ordinary criminal cases. Like, the kind that I used to oversee you have a strong minded judge who resolves the issue fairly quickly. When you had these kinds of disputes between an ordinary garden variety prosecutor in ordinary garden variety defendant, and instead have it between two Coequal branches of government with the third branch of government. The judiciary trying to mediate it. It doesn't always end so easily you can get an impasse fairly quickly. The congressman is right on with respect to the issue of criminal contempt. If there's a referral to the Justice department that is almost never been followed up on by the Justice Department's own people who can decide to or not. You know, bring a criminal contempt case against the person's help them up. And in this case you region with that happened once in the last administration with respect to Eric Holder and nothing ever happened. So it would just die essentially with that request the Justice department that that that's what I would expect. Yeah. And look and by the way, even if it's brought my understands standing is. It's just a misdemeanor. So you know, it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot in that case either. What I think matters in these instances in why in most cases that people talk about and history books are written about are cases in which there's a lot of public pressure to provide information to reach an accommodation. And there's an ago she hated and to what happens, and what is what is provided, and what isn't going, for example in in the in the Bill Clinton case where a subpoena was issued for his testimony ended up being withdrawn. And then Bill Clinton, very famously testified voluntarily with certain parameters around it. That's usually how these things get resolved. The president said he'll decide over the next week or so if you'll invoke executive privilege to stop down again from from appearing I. I still don't quite understand. I know he anybody. I mean, he has the power to just try to invoke executive privilege, but if there's not a legal strong legal case for how long would it take moving through various courts can take a long time. Look. Lots of what you're finding in the struggle between the congress and the executive branch and earlier between Bob Muller and the executive branch, although he's part of the executive branch is this issue of time. You know, one of the things about Muller's been criticized for is not pursuing the subpoena and compelling the president to come testify before the special counsel's office. And he gives a reason in the report says, it might take a very very very long time. So, you know, it's not very satisfying to people who like to have quick digital resolutions of things. But things take a very long time. Appreciate it. Thanks so much. So is William bar illegal. No at all in an expert at dissembling, a dedicated 'institutionalised who displayed extraordinary patients during this week. Senate hearing coming up the ever increasing polarization surrounding the attorney general. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm jokin soon. We are the producers behind HSEN television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, Di Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelfth subscribe today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. If nothing else is the weekends attorney, general bars, certainly cemented himself as one of the most polarizing figures in the country. Look at the diversion headlines after his testimony on Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal under the headline a real attorney general editorialized that Democrats and the media or attorney general into a villain for doing his duty and making the hard decisions special counsel, Robert Muller, abdicated an opinion column in the Washington Post under the headline bars. Testimony was a low point in Justice department history, quote, the consensus view outside Trump plan was that attorney general William P bar came across this energy district committee as a political hack and in the New York Times op-ed former FBI director James Comey said about bar during the hearing quote proximity to an amoral leader reveal something depressing. I think that's at least part of what we've seen with Bill bar and rod Rosenstein accomplish people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to survive, Mr. Trump. So that's just a sample joining now and legal analyst, Gary Cordeiro and David Rifkin attorney who's now. Own work Bill bar for years and USA today. Columnists Kirsten powers Cureton, clearly attorney-general bars become this lightning. Rod this beaker. The house is accused him of the crime of lying to congress. Congressional Democrats are just days away from potentially holding in contempt. This is not exactly normal now. And I have to say this talking point. And you just cited from the Wall Street Journal that Moeller had abdicated his responsibility. And so Barr has stepped in to do what he needed to do Muller didn't abdicate his responsibility. That is just a Republican talking point. What he did was he he clearly stated in the report that because of existing DOJ guidelines about not indicting a sitting president. He didn't he didn't draw a conclusion he left that clearly to congress. It's it's obvious. It's clearly stated there that he cannot. He does not feel that he can bring charges against the president. So it now goes to congress. And so you have Democrats saying that they want to see the underlying evidence because this is. Judgment has been basically sent over to them to make which is a completely reasonable request to make David is that a reasonable request for make a request to mate. No, it's not let me say a couple of things. Kristen was right. The mullahs report would not have made any finding about the collusion on the same basis economic indicted, sending president now he clearly your prosecutorial judgment on collusion. He did not reach across ca d'oro judgment on obstruction. Let's be clear. He's an inferior option to borrow no Justice. He's not independent counsel. Look good do geo regulations and the custody realities that underlie them he provided the report to twenty general that twenty general to give a deputy attorney general they CD leadership of Justice department carefully. Read the report and reach the prosecutorial judgment to ensure the finality of this matter, which is what I think the American people in any reasonable person would want to portray the to heaven notion that I've heard a number of times I find. Very distressing. The special counsel job is to pass the buck to congress is absurd. That's his argument. That's well. It's the argument is that somehow special counsel is working for congress. If congress wants to pursue impeachment of argued very clearly congress should do its own job and excise and political and kind of -bility in price they have price. Wait. It's not supposed to look for the handouts from grand jury, which is part of both article free in article two or special counsel, the me s Carey Kerry Muller. His purview doesn't make sense to you that he would essentially because he was operating under DOJ guidelines of sitting president can't be indicted that he would sort of serve it up and to congress. I think some of us were surprised, and I think many people, and obviously the attorney general was also surprised that he found that he couldn't make that judgement. But what's important is that the special counsel did explain in the report? Why he didn't make the prosecutorial judgement and in light of his explanation, which is both in a doctrine of fairness that it wouldn't be fair to recommend charges when the president couldn't then defend himself in court because he can't be tried. And because of the existing Justice department legal opinion, the special prosecutor this special counsel didn't make that determination. It does not follow. Then that the attorney general had to where was required to then. Go ahead and make the prosecutorial judgment. In fact, what I think is that it shows that there was a deep legal disagreement between the attorney general and the deputy attorney general and the special counsel and his team. So I think at this point though, what's important is that congress and the people have to hear from special counsel Muller. So that he can characterize his own report and describe his own finding and his own reasons for everybody to hear instead of having the attorney general characterized his work. You wanted to respond to a David were saying, oh, just the idea that again, this idea that he somehow advocate molar somehow abdicated? I can't remember exactly how you said you didn't say punted, but sort of send it over to congress. I just don't I don't think that that's an actor reflection. I think that he he laid out a clear roadmap basically of what had happened and left it. It was a political question. It wasn't a really illegal question because the attorney general isn't going to indict the president even assuming that bar would ever do that which he wouldn't he can't do it's a political decision. So that's why would naturally go to congress, a repeat if they would true there will be no finding about collusion because you cannot indicted sending president collusion anymore. You can. Collusion's not a an extra. You've heard the conspiracy Anderson my point is this it has nothing to do with a presidential immunity. That's part of all teaching is sitting president is that bromine indictment number one. When we we can you say that because Muller clearly states in the beginning of his report that that is the guideline he's operating, and he goes into further detail saying not only is a DO J guidelines, but it would be unfair it given that you can't indicted sitting president who would be unfair to repeat alert here. Polit- mullah's report that is not the only basis upon which he did not read your prosecutorial judgment. He's in great detail early on in the report. So it seemed to have a great important over impact. But attorney general bar you setting in the hearing the ball past him having received the report with the much lionized deputy attorney general who's been a hero of Alaska. Couple of years. We'll be entire senior leadership bit of apartment reach the issuance. They did. Specifically Anderson that it was not based on president is showing unity and went for a a pretty robust, which by the way, also nut based upon the constitutional view, which he is passes, and which is supposed as well. But the sitting president cannot obstruct Justice per se while excise Nagore constitutional powers of his office. We're talking I mean with bothers me numerously we're talking about a judgment. That's reached by four or five most senior officials and department operating you'd faith look into law in the city or woman did not reach judgment, and we're picking it apart. And we're trying to find bed failure. The the reason that people are coming to a conclusion of bad faith is in part because of the attorney general's press conference and because of his March twenty four th letter which pick and choose from parts of the Muller report and characterized his findings in a way that then when everybody read the report turned out to be different, which is why at this point. It's quite true. I agree that congress is the one that has the job to do and the most important people for them to hear from at this point our special counsel Muller. And then also Don Mcgann so that congress can conduct an investigation. We got it. We got to go and just way over time. It's we will definitely continue this carry Cordeiro. Dave rifkin. Huston powers? Appreciate it. It's been weeks since the last formal briefing by White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, just ahead former television anchor and White House Sam Donaldson weighs in on the apparent suspension of a tradition and its potential impact. The cases we gotta find who wrote this note, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which close when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood the drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes. Every Monday Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Well, happy world press freedom day. The White House is marquee Cajun by not having a press briefing. Again, it's been fifty three days since they held one which shatters the previous record of fifty two days which was yesterday. Now, we've said on the program before we're committed to shining a light on this because it's not about us. It's about transparency and the duty of a White House to inform the public and take questions from the pref- per free press, which this White House is refusing to do at a pretty record-breaking clip. We'd like to talk about it with someone who became a legend in the field for his work covering other administrations from ABC news anchor and White House correspondent symptoms. Sam the prison today did not miss the opportunity to attack the media, perhaps no surprise just wanna play a clipper viewers. They go out of their way to cover me inaccurately. So I don't think that's a free press. I think that's a a dishonest press, and I wanna see a free press. Obviously one can argue with the inaccurate part. But do you think the president understands the meaning of what free press is? No, no. He said later in that same interviews. I understand it that. It's actually the opposite of a free press when he is talked about inaccurately his not read the first amendment. He's not read the constitution. Here's a ban, remember Anderson. Who said if they try to impeach me. I'll go to the supreme court. That'll stop it. No, no report has nothing to do with it. He's ignorant. He's ignorant about a lot of things, and it's desperately on happy that we are to have this menace. President the question the president was actually answering today or was asked today. I don't know if he was actually answering. It was about how he could improve communication with the press. That's how we responded do you ever see a chance for this White House to to to make efforts to actually communicate with the press or or is that just not in the DNA of this White House new it's not the DNA. And it's not in the strategy. I mean, demonizing the press calling us all fake news. Purveyors is part of the strategy to keep the base. In side of him every moment and a base which believes him every moment and a base which is going to vote for him at every moment in twenty twenty. I remember when you were covering the Reagan administration at ABC, you were very well known for yelling out questions to President Reagan as he was walking toward a helicopter. And I think it was all designed by the White House. So that Reagan could say, oh, I can't hear what the questions are because of the sound of of the helicopter and the White House lawn. How do you see how this White House deals with the press, and how that administration dealt with press because they were came under criticism for being heavy handed at times, but it seems to pale in comparison to now. Well, when the president would walk to helicopter, of course, the rotors weren't moving believe me people sale the rotors are moving. No. You don't want to decapitate a president the motor was on. And he would go what what? But interestingly enough most of us responded enough if he'd never came over. If you never heard a question with top. No when he heard a question that he wanted to answer came right over you answered answered the questions this president instead of having news conferences, I can't remember it was the last time you had a news conference right after the midterms. Correct. By memory is pretty faulted these days, but this president now just stands in reporters for five or six or seven or eight or ten minutes conducts of like an orchestra leader conduct. So little news conference, the reporters don't really have a chance to follow up. They don't really have a chance to Delvin he talks about buddy wants to. And he says that's meeting the press. What it's not meeting the press. It's part of beating the press. It's also something Sarah Sanders, occasionally does something called a gaggle and the White House driveway, so carefully. You'll see. Eclipse of her on TV talking. But can you explain for people why it isn't the same as a full press briefing in the White House? Well, the great press secretaries, and I worked with a number of very good press secretaries. We'd tangle, of course, because we were opposite sides of the fence, but the great ones came out prepared to answer questions. And if they couldn't answer they diverge, they'd we've and sometimes they just say, no comment and one of the best answers. I've heard I thought about it was from Mike McCurry who was the President Clinton's press secretary during the Monica imbroglio. We ask him a question one day. I can't remember what it was. And he's I don't know. I don't know. We said we'll go ask the president. He knows come tell us. So no, I'm not going to go ask the president. Now, we got very upset and said, wait a minute. You're the press secretary. We can't get to the president at your job. Why won't you ask the president? Now check the transcript he said because I don't want to have to lie to you. Well, I expecting press secretary to say things like that all the time. But the answer the questions that you to the best of their ability, usually, and when they can't they don't treat you as if you're some well, how dare you ask a question like that. Why don't you say how come the president did? So well today, why is he such a great band today? They can get that from FOX today. But not for the press corps. Sam donaldson. Thank you. As always. Appreciate it. Chicken with Christy what he's working on for Cuomo time. Chris Chris Kobe last night. I got I gotta say pretty awesome. What do you think? Too much. No luck did. It was great. Would you have done it? Well, I couldn't hold up. Kobe like you held Kober. Couldn't you. Maybe, you know, more gentle sense. But you've carried me out of several cities. If memory serves, I I was a tough spot. I gotta be honest. I coulda used a little coop council though. Yeah. I never been a part of anything like that. What are you supposed to do when the guy punks you on live television and says come on? Let's go me. And you right. What do you do? What do you? What do you do? I think did the right thing because he beat them. Well, of course. What is it gonna lose quickly ten seconds? What God what do I have tonight? We are going to talk to Ron seconds to authorites about whether or not Democrats can argue the economy, and we have a member of the democrat house committee that is thinking about holding AG and contempt. What are they really going to do? All right. Chris see then four minutes. 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Weekly Zeitgeist 104 (Best of 12/2/19-12/6/19)

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Weekly Zeitgeist 104 (Best of 12/2/19-12/6/19)

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You listen to podcasts Hello the Internet and welcome to this episode of the weeklies Zeitgeist These are some of our favorite segments from this week. all edited together into one Nonstop infotainment laugh. Strata Ganda So so without further ado here is the weekly Zeitgeist really. What is something from your search history? That's revealing about who you are I just looked up. let's see here. I wanted to know Jack. Nicholson's age when he found the shining Do you guys have any idea of with forty close forty three. That's exactly right forty-three wow that's just a guess. I think so literally the US some kind of math. I didn't do any math and I looked up right to Tom. Hanks Forrest gump and he was. I believe he was forty two so these guys did some of their best work in their forties. Yeah you guys have nothing to be afraid of. Okay right our whole life ahead of us and I was looking at it up because Dr Sleep did you actually doctor sleep. No not yet. If you are a king we had go see Dr Slow Really. Yeah the whoever wrote it the the writer at managed to Meld the movie and the book together to make a pretty impressive Asif sequel. If you're if you're not You might not be as jazz but every Stephen King Fan. I've talked to love Doctor Sleep That's why I checked out his age. Forty three three years old and he looks great. Sexy as ever. What a hairline? Though several seventies hairlines are still sexy now if you meet a man who has that her line they're just not a hike up as much as that hairline but I'm talking about sexy elude heroin Nicholas cage is also like they. Yeah like he has all sorts of hair implants and shit like when he used to have that hairline and then Hollywood ruined him like no. You must have a strong hairline. But yeah I I feel like they're not allowing that sorta hairline in movies anymore. You either either get hair plugs or shave your head clean. Like a Bruce Willis. We gotTa Bring Bald Baxter. You bring a ball. It's just a deep deep V.. Yes let me Love Bill. Murray about about all that stuff and these are sexy men. Yeah they're not Conventionally attractive but Ross sexuality rarely is okay talking about oozing off. Let's slam down in the bedroom. Let's see what you got battle with battle bots can Alexander you remember when Colin Farrell was just with Dawson like they were literally almost punching each other. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's the kind of sex I'm talking to man. You know it's funny. I was in the movie. That was a the bombed also. It's funny I was so fucked up when I saw that Like on Zanex or some shit. I only remember three parts. It's that part and this other part where Val Kilmer is talking about a horse goes. His mind is broken. I have so many funny memories about being Up in the theater I remember I was drunk and I saw troy and I was just so drunk at some point like tomboys in just like went and sat in the lobby it was like the last showing arena the Cova. AMC and then the people came up to me. And they're like hey. We're going to get rid of these hotdogs unless you want to buy them for ninety nine cents and I was like this is the best night. I don't remember the movie hotdogs dollars Yes please. Another one Frailty that movie fell fully. I was awake for the first credits woke up at the very worst. Frailty and it was like Bill Paxton filmed inconvenient. Really yes so very odd that you're saying that my mom lives right by where they filmed that. incovenient frailty yeah these weird cy. It's a smaller thriller. Actually very good. Yeah and Michael Personnel Perssonel. Someone has someone trying to figure out if they really have psychic abilities. Okay good. It's like a pro pro like someone's got it got it. Yeah I I think it was right around the time. Like a cramp. I remember very vividly ocean. Spray started making white cranberry peach juice me and my friends midst mix excite with a bunch of vodka in the back of his trailblazer fucking went to that movie. I woke up this fucked. Two thousand one. This shit came out or two thousand in two thousand eighteen. Yeah and I'm fucking the Chevy Blazer back before they gave it a nickname was when they it was the new body style show. It was his His black trailblazer. But yeah. It wasn't the old school plays. What is a myth? What something people think is true? You know to be false love. It is the most important part of a relationship. Okay what's the most important part. I think there's a bunch of things but I love is maybe twenty five percent breath. It's like not even that Berea deal. Have you been in love more than once. I don't know actually I don't even. I don't feel like you even want to talk about it. Yeah so you can't be talking soon as I saw my wife for the first time. I've been at several relationships internships and I know people who are just looking for love but you know I think how people communicate how you argue the same values. You have What you want to spend your money on? There's a bunch of other things at play such an important part and I just think I know too many people who've when they find love they'll like trying to hold on to it at all costs and it's like not that big of a deal. Yeah you'll be surprised how quickly you can find love. Yes but like you say it's really those other things like sure of coarseness. The love is there but are y'all acting as a team yes a one thing because too many people are too caught up especially when they argue in some ways to be the good guy and some was the bad guy and we will. Now Begin to litigate. Who is the bad person between the two of us because it's a binary and if you're the bad person that I can flex on you you were bad that time versus like what's is there a problem okay? Do we need to fix it or are we still have this egoistic attachment to being like but I was right and you were wrong because if things happen you can approach it as a partnership and be like okay. Yeah I fucked up. I'm like actually sorry like we can we. Should we should do that differently. And it doesn't have to be like but you're bad the run up an important point right there. That's one of the things I've learned in. Romantic relationships is If you're with a good person you should only good people really love you and you know our our aren't using you for free meals if you're with someone who is a good person and they love you. Nobody that loves. You ever really does anything to hurt. Are you on purpose. So yeah so you have to start from that place whereas if this person did something to hurt me they didn't do it on purpose so say hey this hurts me are when you do this this this bothers me and it makes me feel this way and then they usually go okay. I'm sorry I didn't realize that they need just move on right versus. That was so fucked up. I don't know why the fuck you would do that. How dare you? I am sorry I took a dump. I mean honestly. I almost say a person's argument style is more important point than love because Yeah people can be very vicious and mean are they carry patterns that they saw in their child incorrectly. Klay to that thing and and you know you're gonNA just bump into problems more so yeah I do think people talk about finding love. I think it's kind of a false narrative and it's been sold wholesale. Bill golds bullshit to us as something. That's super important. Find someone you have fun with science find. Someone said you want to spend your money on the same thing and find someone communicate with and I think and that's why I'm a huge fan of arranged marriages Nepali guy. Yeah I was GONNA say that like gift. Love is a feeling like I definitely like when I was a kid had like that like heart sick like feeling more than I ever did like as an adult like. Oh my God I'm completely destroyed over this shit and like I feel that was because I wasn't a complete person like I had actually actually I lived my life and so yeah there was just like more tied up in that around like ready for it. I cried over a girl who broke up with me and we only held hand right. Yeah Oh yeah yeah you realize how fucked up the stakes grew eleven years old. You ooh all right so bill bar got his report. He had been working on this. He'd been traveling around the world. Talking to people interviewing people apple probably go into various going. My Brady's yeah looking in the car. Cadillac the Davinci code but with a Walrus faced asshole asshole. Manto Bara So yeah he you know he asked the inspector general he said. I need you to investigate. You know how the FBI came to begin again. This investigation of Russian meddling in two thousand sixteen you know Carter Page with what happened with these fiso warrants. What what was really going on with Peter Struck and Lisa Page Hayes? FBI agents who had the temerity to say that they'd thought trump shouldn't be president while being in the FBI. Because I think he was really hoping that someone would come back with the report basically saying I guess if in your mind if you're like this Republican fantasy politician who has complete disregard for facts objectivity objectivity you would hope that the inspector general would come back with a report that said. Oh yeah there's all these biased. FBI Hillary loving agents who were against against president. The steele dossier was the entire basis of our legal system and Obama wired everything everything Alabama listened to it all and was being so spooky at trump tower but the problem is this inspector general. He is known as being a stickler and being very as as many people Doj Past and present officials said he's known for being nitpicky a little bit When even when Eric holder was attorney general Report the Inspector General. WHO's a stickler for details? Especially when you say hi. Can you investigate my house. Can you tell me what's your house in order people behaving crater. Yeah you kind of need those people it'd be like yeah. I go by the federal law. That home inspectors such a stickler for detail. Yeah Okay there's a hole in the roof. You can put cardboard and brash bags it works and so now he's come back I was saying with Eric Holder. Like typically attorneys general will be like. Oh come on like they'll be like this person went to Harvard William Bars like Nah. I don't like what this guy said had because what came back from the inspector generals that there was nothing untoward going on right. Everything happened to the letter of the law. All these other conspiracy theories theories they've been running around with like really. Don't hold any weight there were there. Is that one moment. We talked to a few weeks ago when they did find that there was in the process of getting a surveillance warrant people were cutting corners and got sloppy. Right was hanging onto that but it was not really anything that they're saying. Oh this is actually the massive massive misconduct by one minor illnesses exactly and so because his whole reason for living has been to defend offend trump and shield him and make anything he says true even if it is just patently false He's basically said this is from the Washington Post What his reaction to seeing this report was attorney? General William P bar has told associates. He disagrees with the justice. Department's Inspector General on one of the key findings in an upcoming report at the FBI had enough information in July two thousand sixteen to justify launching an investigation into members of the trump campaign. Yes that is sort of the whole finding right the whole thing. Well the whole thing was George. Popadopoulos was saying out loud to an Australian ambassador official. That do these Russian I heard the rush is gonNA. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA do some hackery Brent. With Hillary Clinton some person then goes to the Australian officials they tell American law enforcement. Like this someone. Someone seems to think this is happening if you want to look into it. Yeah all pretty straightforward then league goes on to say why he doesn't really like what Horwitz who was the inspector general. His conclusion inclusion. He says that he's privately. Contended that Horowitz does not have enough information to reach the conclusion the FBI had of details in hand to justify opening approp- so he he doesn't have enough information about them having enough information to diversify. That's why this is wrong because actually even though I told him that he needs to look into this and he probably has all the information it turns out based on his conclusion. Day actually doesn't have enough information because that's different than what I needed to be right. It's very very alarming. which as it should be because William Bar has been going to places like Italy or London to like talk doc to other allies in London on his alarming Irishman? But like going there and like trying to get other people other or Intelligence agencies to say Oh yeah maybe there was something wrong. They're all like no man. We're all but we've all been hearing the same thing we've all been looking at how Russia's become more emboldened and more more and more aggressive since two thousand fourteen it all tracks you have nothing to the contrary to say and I think this is where we have to think about. What is his next move because when he got the mother report with that said there's all these accounts of obstruction? There's clearly some kind of conspiracy going on. Were it not for all the lying. Hang of Paul Manafort and others involved. I may know actually how dark this thing is. William Bar came out and tried to get a front of it and just basically lied and was like yeah. It's all good. The things pretty chill nothing to see here. I would call it. Selective summarizations summarized three of the four hundred pages. Yeah just focused in on that right exactly so I mean who knows what he's going to do with this if he's GonNa go on and say This one very narrow part. I'm GONNA completely blow out of contact. I try and keep it. Sounds like he didn't even have like the SPEC that he could blow out into a huge deal now because he is going back to them being like. Just give me a fucking Buckingham. Yes give me something something. Do you know what the the most just given Irish. Not Not an Irish perspective. I can only speak for myself as an outsider looking in America and the media. Now No. It's it's fascinating to watch that. It doesn't seem to be the truth but it's the most compelling narrative and how you present it on air. Yeah Oh yeah like literally talking heads. WHO's the better talking head who can call? Who can hold the audience? Because I when I came here I didn't know oh about the two sides of the media whenever I didn't so I'm just flicking through and it's shocking to see how believable if you immerse yourself in one side you know how believable it can be right. You know I'd be very slow to label anyone on either side anything because this is the most incredible propaganda I've ever seen right and it's endlessly funded. Yeah it's on real because it makes its own money propaganda that people pay for. Yeah Yeah it's like it's shocking. It's entertainment disguised as news. Yeah it's just like this. Fever Dream to whip people into a frenzy unreal unreal. And you know the great thing about investigations right depending on which side. You're on just like investigations. In general you want them to be happening to government government all the time. What's very interesting to watch right now? Is that no one. I have a feeling no one's GonNa go to jail because these are the lawmakers right right. Yeah so no like it'd be nice to for the right people to be held accountable. But it's becoming very clear. No one seems to go to jail. And if they if they're empowered once you get to a certain level yeah like lower level you could be made a sacrificial lamb as a gesture people say that yeah the rule of law ORCS in some cases but yeah I think I mean and this is why we're like in this other phase which is becoming even more sort of alarming. Is like this legal nihilism that that people have it's like who cares what are the fucking laws because even there people breaking them and there seems to be no consequences or people completely outright disobeying Bang Subpoenas or using stupid little countersuits to kind of just delayed their ability to be held accountable. It's made people very very disheartened. Yeah but I think that's why at the very least like just keep doing whatever you can because the second that I think you know the foot comes off the gas a bit. Oh yeah well you got you got you now. You GotTa fight for what you believe you know. And it's just shocking to me to to watch just say growing up in Ireland so at night on the news weekly monthly or maybe just it felt like that as a kid someone was either getting shot in the knees or a barracks being blown up or or some some explosive device going off you know less than one hundred miles or one hundred whatever mas wet and now that's that's where it can go you you know and I saw that in Ireland and I saw in Liberia West Africa with the United Nations. I was doing peacekeeping over there. I saw the extremes where you've got child. Soldiers people cutting off Arms Long Sleeve short sleeve option. Was your only option for these. These child sold just like I don't think people know the capacity. Humans have for evil because if they did they wouldn't be the rhetoric people are using now and how they're talking about their adversaries it leads down. It's a slow it's it's a slow erosion of the fabric of society. That you don't you have to be very careful with how you speak about your what you perceive to be your enemy. Because you don't need race or gender to be at war with someone I saw tribes in Africa. You know attacking each other. I've seen it in Ireland Catholics and Protestants. I would just. I would really like America to consider that rather than trying to find the differences. Just really do reach across the aisle. Because you do do not want the deterioration that is available in any country to happen. Here guys have special here. No one's done this. No one's got three hundred fifty million people from all over the universe to live in relative with a lot of problems harmony. Like this is this is potentially intially. I don't WanNa be too dramatic. You know you just they all phrase powder keg don't push don't start lighten matches around you know where where there's a lot of tension because over ten years to slow erosion you won't even see it creeping. Yes and be very just lead with love as they say you know. Yeah Yeah that's my honest opinion. Yeah like an add. It is fun. It's fun to rile up the far side but long term guys not you you guys. But in general longtime long-term the propaganda machines have to be very careful what they do because once polarized two groups. It's very hard for them to see each other as human. Yeah no and I think that's the increasingly this sort of dehumanizing rhetoric that comes out of like the president or people like this. There's this new thing of like not new. But as the president's actions become more and more Obviously corrupt and people are holding them accountable. The rhetoric is also changing too now. Now people who are asking for accountability or subhuman. They're scum there whatever and that's that's really. Yeah this is the thing that a lot of people are talking about in this country too because because as this keeps going and going and going you know it's the logical end that it plays out to is not is not one of not not a good time. We have a very I. Short term collective memory like. Look if you have history in the schools is a real good chance. That people history's been taught well in a country or or at least somewhat honest but you know that could be by design row in Ireland somehow. That's one thing that I think we do quite well which is teach history But you know allows people to have a relatively good perspective take on how things will shape up if you go down. A certain road did that. We still have the civil war right right but you know you don't WanNa be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past so yeah. I don't think you're in your schools you're teaching people that The civil war was about a difference in economic Systems like where people like here like in some places the history of the American civil war is completely obscured and like the sort of Facets about race or removed or slavery. You are minimized and it's like yeah you know one group was kind of doing their thing. And then there's a disagreement and Anyway let's move on. I think is what sorry I think it hurts so much to look at. Hey bad we've been in the pond that it's it hurts so you don't WanNa look at you WanNa Kinda glaze over but you gotta sit with it right well. Yeah I think in American history is all about sanitizing using how bad things we've done have been how poorly we've treated each other. How poorly we've treated other countries how we've completely decimated other cultures cultures other economies? It's just it's mostly about like like I bleach history. It's like let's just yeah. It's hard to I mean like it was until college. I was getting a real understood like understanding of American issue or no high school. I did have a really great teacher and it was like suggested a people's history of the United States. You manipulate God. What the fuck is going on? Yeah but most of the time. We're just taught like man America's so chill and everything we've done has been so great for for other people and well that's one question. I get a lot just before you move on you like this is basically a lot of people wanNA know what. What do people think of America outside America Eric Right and I think thank God? The branding is good is good. You Guys Linda Strong America because you know a lot of people see this. As a refuge for people from all different ethnic minorities now of course the problems but the reality is guys. America's it's not audits foreign policy it's three hundred and fifty million beautiful individual people walking the earth trying to do stuff the farm policy questionable. I think most people would agree on both sides. The yeah yeah and on both sides of the Hersher that's interesting to hear from somebody who lived through civil war in a calm like a violent conflict of kind of within the nation. They grew up in t to hear that. That's something that you're concerned about. Because that's that's something that when you talk to people who spend a lot of time in countries that are devolved into civil war. They said that like a lot of the signs are popping up in America and people in America like yeah but I mean it can't happen here and it might. It might not be what you're picturing mind but now it's it's it's it is shocking because it it was on it was like I. I wasn't directly affected by it but Iraq the country so much. We couldn't even call it what it was. which was you know and probably probably some sort of civil war? We called it. The troubles right the try and it was one hundred miles away. There's people you know bombs going off and all that hundred and fifty miles away and to me. It was another world world but it was in the subconscious. Wow when you're a kid you understand there's no reason for fighting in red first time you see war on TV. I remember cry- crying is I understood the depth of yeah and then over time you have to distance yourself from that emotion raise. It's too much. I didn't live true civil war just for the record. But but there was civil unrest in the north of Ireland Orlands and yeah it really permeated the culture and got into a lot of kids brains early on in Ireland so I think as a result of the the pain maybe the the people went through before in the previous generation. Now there's a better understanding of how we want to avoid that everywhere right right right. 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There's a study about which pick up lines work best for women that are hitting on men. Yeah and I for one am. I'm curious miles. Oh man the you know the people at In Halifax Canada yes Decided I didn't even realize realized this is a question of what pickup lines for men are the most effective they got hell effects up in Halifax. Wow take your radio. There's okay so the way they did. It apparently found that. There's they were testing three pickup. Line Styles House direct flippant and innocuous and what they did in this highly scientific study and I say this with a lot of is that they got one hundred thirty heterosexual males Two basis every single time. I was going to sound like a fucking like honestly the remnant it does this is this has a man said no so what they were ever said. No no exactly to any kind of Dan. I'm so it says they were asked to evaluate a series of twelve photographs of women accompanied by a pickup line and then so when they looked at it they asked the participants to rate the perceive attractiveness of the woman the perceived promiscuity of the woman and the perceived effectiveness of the pickup line. Really what they found was direct was the the most effective so an example direct pickup line and stuff. Like you WanNa have a drink together. You have really nice is number. You're cute all those in Interro. interro Larry smooth networks and stare at the period. But you gotta you gotTa stay ringling. It is because I got a coq. Yeah an example of flippant. Pick up lines. As shall we talk or continue flirting from a distance. Always see you here. You must be the bars best customer since you're a lot since you're alone and I'm alone. Why don't we sit together to that? MAKES ME WANT TO BE SING. I'm easy are you you. That was obviously. There's a control so that I think I think that is actually an example of scientists writing comedy being not not a successful way to these conversations and then sample size a hundred and thirty. They didn't exactly go in two zero zero. Oh yeah that's what I said it's the conversations of course. Yeah and then innocuous can you recommend a good drink. I've seen you before. Do you work here. I mean really what what they did. Find his direct where the most successful flippant was second most successful innocuous released likely to be judged as effective but they did say no matter the pickup line when they raided the attractiveness attractiveness. I didn't matter what they said. Yeah please I don't know thank you. We have a very visual creatures. Yeah Hey what do you ever you walking down. It's like it's hard not to look at some later. It is hard. It's like a woman for me is the most compelling thing no obviously want to write songs and Sonnets I mean that's what we do create and then we try and get on stage. We're trying to be funny and Hopefully find out why for their get like and then I guess it's the same the ups away. It's just a Yemen beauty. There's video is so so hard to ignore this. This idea that like. There's a need for this study. Like they're a women or I guess it just seems odd to me. It's not as no way our society. He is set up a sort of just like this patriarchy where the man pursues the woman and that sort of People are just inundated with a sort of messaging. I'm not it sounds the thing that like a lonely men would need this study. It's like hey direct is the best thing guys you know. Don't be all like hey. Did you see that fistfight outside decide. That was so wild. Like I don't know I think these two are fighting over dude anyway. Hi My name's miles literally some pickup artist type Shit. We're really yes. You talk rather than rather than pulling up direct like Joe. I think you're beautiful Ma. Have this drink with me. Inches from the FA- more about sort of being a little bit more obscure about sort of just a general conversation started by pointing to another event and then they go. Oh No I. I didn't see that and that's more organic than like anyway. What's up I'm lonely? I mean I'm miles. Do you ever notice as well when you WanNa talk when you really really really WanNa talk to somebody you know that this is the one something in your brain your brain literally sabotages you. Yeah you can't. Oh Yeah Speaker. Can't think you start opening all the doors. The fridge door every door evidence like an and the conversation just it just. It's like your jeans no that you are not supposed to mate with that but I yeah. You're not good enough. Fry your circuits. I I'm Horny your sabotage from the inside out your genetics. Don't want you the windy good enough. The second date I ever went on with my wife. She was like I kind of realized that you know I was in love with third but the second day it'd be really weird. I love you but she she still talks about it because she was like. Yeah there's that one day when you couldn't talk and you're all sweaty. Yes the worst thing you know when you know that they're assuming it did perceptive creatures on the planet yes let me start sweating. Are you sweating. No you're sweating and then it getting on me and it gets worse and worse and there's there's no way out right on the only thing I think you can do to kind of is a preemptive strike which is sites like before you go into an interview go for a run so your endorphins bench pressing something. So there's a little tests Estrin in there. I don't know maybe Stan wide-legged with your arms arms above your head is power then you walk in and go. Hey you live around here so yeah yeah also why. Why are you holding that chewing raw meat on your shoulder? Yeah my new shoulder pads you like the dribbling on their rabbis but do you like my relies on you flex and you Lick Alexa Vegan. Yeah but that is weird. How the universe keeps us in line? Isn't it oh yeah like. It's like it knows that you're hey you you feel so you know what I'm going to do. I'm literally going to make you deaf and mute and you're not going to be able to hear what you're saying and you're not going to be able to formulated in your brain and you know what what you're talking with a concussion. The whole thing stars in Liar. Yeah question for the audience gang. Does that does that happen on the other side you girls get that. Do they get the same feeling. I'm sure like anything. We're human right if we had something the possible threat of losing something right causes saying Zaidi or not to get the thing we want. I'm sure on some of the thing I'm more interested in this idea of being hit on because I've only been and maybe like a direct pickup line. I remember someone said that to me when I was. Dj Party in Highschool. Was this a girl. I was in high school is using parties. Comes up to your queue. What's what's your number really and I was like fucking I panicked? I was like I don't know phone away. And then I'll ask you'll give him my number so unconscious indirectly that she was so fried my insecure hormonal teen circuits. I just was unprepared and I just just sort of went into myself But again did that did that. Carry it for the week though because when I if I get a compliment like if somebody says something nice to me like that. I'm attracted I'm terrible. It'll keep me going for week dude. I'm running extra miles donate and more. I'm terrible with just as a personality. -ality if I'm ever GONNA come. I always mitigate right. And that's the thing. I'm trying to do less of because I think that sort of betrays my own ability to sort of see myself as being worthy of accomplishment psychological real quick let me get on my couch therapist Francis because you know I wanna feel like I am worthy of these compliment but inside. I don't WanNa feel like I'm flexing or something like that. I don't know if you had a great accrued nerve podcast about how guys you'll complement a guy's shirt shirt and that's all they'll wear for. That is so true that is true. Oh yes do you know. The power accomplishment has yet man you and also you know it can. It doesn't have to be even ally you know like we're talking as if it's a manipulation you can and literally say to something someone just a nice commonly. Hey you know what you you just. You're great personal really. Felt like we connected today too. I wish you the best that just that little serotonin hit that cortisol spike in the brain. Or whatever I don't know if they walked the planet a little better and then that trickles the little reverse tributaries into the world. Yeah like just because you said some nice person walks the earth telling people feel better all day Eh. Yeah go give a complement complement challenge do it but not to not to me. Because I suck don't know showers. Lucky smell terrible. Might be granny said the best advice is just say. Thank you and smile actually helped because it's so simple but it's it's like you don't think of it because you're just too much into panic to put that energy. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's true what's overrated overrated. All right. I don't WanNa be controversial or anything but okay. We have gone way too far with Oat milk. Are you fucking fucking kidding me. GonNa milk next wood chips here. We go just walking by my God arrive all all. This should taste like a broom closet. Mom I supposed to know from downward the rest of my day. When I'm drinking liquid broom closet Ed? Why did you not like oat milk has been one of the tastiest? Wants to come out so far thick and show everyone is all aboard the OATMEAL chain. The little chunks regular milk votes little chunks on the website is so thick thing I've ever had hat and wounded riding so hard for it in on like you're sick. It's turning. Milk is best milk in the land of Sake. I want everyone to be happy about you. I go back and forth between a regular milk and almond if you think too to heart if you actually think about regular milk at all. It's puget in discussing ideologically but All men I feel like joy actually like almond sender. Wasn't something a train myself to. That's for me. I understand because you think about the dairy process and what that looks like. That's why I only drink milk directly from the cows autres the only. That's the only way can guarantee freshness. Yeah I mean natural integrity to go through that day. Let us have been kicked out. A lot of petting zoos. The votes have been kicked a lot on the face terrible head injuries. Direct glows too much. Thought that was against the law. But who am I who watch porn on Google Google video player like what. Look if those two broke girls can keep a horse or whatever. I don't see why you can't keep a Akao way who you know that. Show Senate cable your incredible all right one percents that show true brokers as about a horse. There's a horse in it and also it's not able you guys. What are you dying? You thought it out the plane okay. Okay wait because one of the heiress or like wealthy person isn't I don't know a lot of it literally was a horse in it. So it's based on the simple life found a horse. I I said out loud when I was watching it on the plane or flipping through or whatever I was like. Hey there's a horse in it and the woman sitting next to me said said it's a it's a horse episode. She goes no the horses is always on the show. And that's she's like the horses a permanent fixture of the show and I was like I is in this New York. She could not explain you happen. been to be sitting next to two broke girls enthusiasts historian during the first time that you saw two dude have. Have you ever sat next to anyone that likes the Big Bang theory. That's all the people that fly on planes. That literally who you sit next to. Have you ever sat next to anybody. Nobody on a plane. That isn't watching one of those things when someone speaks to me on a plane. I am truly shocked. I am like what people have hobbies. Neighbourly Verizon chatted up on. Yeah people are like. She's ready to hear about my life I could. I used to get on planes and now I don't know what it is. I think I've never had a conversation. Your face ten years. Yeah I think so. I'm a person of color fucking ears. It works in favors right for you. 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It's everything it's hint of dill. They've gotTa pick on buttered the Bun. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. They're trying to come after that chick-fil-a market and I need to know how bad or good it is. I mean so. They're going going to do this locally. I I'll be interested to see if it's one of those things like with Popeye's where they rolled out locally because they can't afford to make sandwich as good as it needs to be on a massive scale. Yeah I don't know I'm trying to remember the last time. McDonald's made something that was was new and I was like. Hey you know what I do. Remember such a weird like hardline stance at times that they always cave even on A. We've had this menu for fifty years will never have salads people. What's here's fifteen? SHAPE excelleage L. each iceberg in a plastic cup with with apples and when they put that salad on the menu they became America's largest purchaser of apples harvested salad basically created a doubled the apple industry industry. I'd love to see them meeting when the guy came in or I assume it's a guy the CEO of McDonald's comes in all right. We're doing complained long enough. We're going to make breakfast all the time. Sick of having people their entire youtube streams of comics just laying into the fact that we don't serve progress all day so we're doing it and and then everyone would cut our forefathers wanted us to save. Yeah and then they changed it more if there's like May Donald Constitution Institution originalist ripped it up. We're new and hip now an expansionist and no one cared people. There maybe a couple of tweets or like thinks are fucking. I started levitating when they brought him in all day. Great deal I felt like the one thing I eat phenomenal donald sides. I've ceased to eat like the daytime food there. I'll eat the fries. The front of the occasional dougie's chinky dougie's don't eat the burgers really unless I'm feeling really wacky high. But usually I'm just eating a bunch of sausage mcmuffin with egg. Yeah I don't think you're alone in that and then they doubled it up boy. Rip Miles arteries doubled up. What when you could put like two sausage patties? He's like oh a humid style stack right who they also are a billboard aboard. That showed that they're selling breakfast sandwiches with chicken on it now. That's the new thing with fried chicken chicken breasts Gosh it just feels feels a little wrong to put an egg on the chicken. Yeah we let's give chickens at little break. Yeah they and they even like drew attention to the fact that it was like gorgeous kit. Yeah it's like a chicken egg no egg and they but they the advertisement I saw for it was like. Here's a yoke of an idea idea or something like Oh this breakfast sandwiches. No yoke and it was like chicken without the egg but with the breakfast sandwich. Uh of bread. Part and Yeah the biscuit the biscuit often I've it's funny though griddle even though I'm like Oh that's cool. One of my favorite Japanese he's dishes is called dome. Budi and Oya means parent and call means childlike. Khanjian things so it's literally parent and Child Rice Bowl and and ooh that sounds like we have a dish. That's like fuck this whole family right. I WanNa make sure they came from the same blow. Exactly Oh let's get to the real important issue. The one that had Blair's mind working three hundred miles a minute But how Josh Brolin's out at at the end of last week there was a post of this woman who is like deemed metaphysical Megan. I'm sorry this made me so mad. Add in so many ways self-described Healer Teacher and Embodied Mermaid who had her post went viral. Because she was basically out here spreading her asshole out to the sun. This saying that we need to get sunlight. UV exposure into our UV radiation into are assholes. Brought the fucking Tau is send to it. She gets an ancient towel west practice. Yup Bitch you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah well again. It saying according to them it it could strengthen your organs increase creativity recipe. No Yeah Regulate Your Circadian Rhythms. I mean who wouldn't after reading that Shit maybe talk about crystals and shit like that. It's the same. Put Him on your asshole but no all of the things that they do for rhythms itself office not wrong. It's talking about it at all. That is wrong son. Your asshole like my the absolutely. Go off sleigh. Queen does not talk about it too. Even one person like live. You don't do it because you actually will get a horrible asshole. Burt Josh Brolin here hosted a picture. I think. Think of This woman's post and basically said try this SUNNING that I've been hearing about my suggestion is do not do it as long as I did. My pucker girl is crazy burned and I was going to spend the day shopping with my family. And instead I'm icing and using aloe and burn creams because of the severity of the paint. I don't know who the fuck out out of the stupid fuck you nonetheless seriously. Now I live is a sensitive part of my body that has never seen a thank one time in my life. Yeah I should probably just sit out there and cook it. I mean he must have his circadian rhythms and Libido must've been fucked if he was like I don't give give a fuck overturned but I'm ready to go but I'm ready to put a bunch of alum asked me lay some pipe. I don't know iron cream up my our. I'll try but but I think it only only maybe two minutes at most. I don't know if exposed asshole Santi this is how it starts. You try and I'm not saying it's going to be good. I'm just saying I need need a reason to send my house and I'll say it's because I'm doing an experiment these people my God posting about Sunning there asshole God God kids some shit even escalated from there. I don't know I feel Sunning your asshole I don't know how you get more like laughable. Why are people always listening sitting around them white bitches telling them what to do about really sensitive body? He has dreadlocks Joshua Tree and saying like Glenn Feigen Goop loop walk. I think Gwyneth has that thing where people don't realize that between genetics and a lot of money. Her life is the way it is because of that not because she was rubbing Robin Rasoul Crystal. No but she'd be like put some jade eggs in your pussy and then all the doctors are like no. She's like okay. Steam Your Pussy. They're like no okay. I'm just saying why are people out here being like you know who I should listen to fucking gynecologist. Yeah just just this random with no degrees shows yourself a mermaid invite all yourself mermaid. Sorry Valerie I dislike you Paul Frey Valerie Shit on instagram. So do you really embodied mermaid. I don't I don't follow any Mermaid uh-huh I do a lot of like healers and stuff if you call yourself a mermaid or like if you're a self-described like babe boss babe of out I try to hear ain't my instagram feed for all positively. Yeah so it's a lot of like therapist accounts dealers in like a stuff like that. I'm Arianna the way better for you to jog. Sophia Jesus Christ guys bring it up you can follow an account without touching the dog it. I'm pretty sure that's you can still get sick like boop. My nose is a dog account. Your smile was so big when I said counts announced their faces are right in the camera. Because you're like oh I saw that double tap on there. I am smiling really big. Okay all right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist please likened review the show. 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Mueller concerned Barr created confusion about report

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

53:24 min | 2 years ago

Mueller concerned Barr created confusion about report

"Now, it's time for the last word looking so Donald heaving arts racial, you weren't going to sleep anyway K whether it was really big hearing coming up tomorrow come on now. And with the news today. I mean, I mean, even if even if you're only talking international news, I probably wouldn't have slept today with the number of things that have broken over the course of the day and the drama behind them and the promise that more details are going to be coming out within the next twelve hours, which means the overnight. It's just. Here's here's what I could spend an hour talking about that we won't because we're gonna talk about what's actually developing what we know in the news. But but William Barr himself, the what was he thinking like, that's that's an hour of TV right there. What was he thinking? He knew he knew that we were at some point going to know about this letter. And and in government when you want someone in government writes a letter to someone else in government, it's not because they're trying to communicate with that person. Receiving the letter K never it's I need this letter to live after this moment. And so Robert Muller knew what the life of this letter was going to be Robert Muller knew. There was going to be a night like this that was about this letter. But most importantly, William bar new, and he still went out there and said all of the things that he said and actually gave these answers in house and Senate testimony about I don't know Muller's. Okay. I don't know. What muller? Thanks. Yeah. My new thanks, and I will say I mean, this is coming out ahead of that testimony tomorrow before the Lindsey Graham, led Senate Judiciary committee, and who knows what that's going to be like bar is very capable at spinning stuff. I would not be surprised if he wanted this out ahead of that testimony and that friendly environment. So he can spend his testimony particularly under Republican questioning spinning out his own yarn about how this is all some anodyne thing, and nobody needs to worry about it. But boy does this call the question as to whether or not Muller needs to testify and one of the most important things that wrote today, maybe that late breaking story from the Daily Beast that the Justice department won't allow Muller to set a date for his testimony in the house. Molars? Testimony is worth ten thousand times what bars testimony is worth at this point. And that question is called more than ever the limit living. Read you something Rachel that the great Michael Beschloss tweeted while you were on tonight and William Safire. Who was a columnist for New York Times and Republican he worked he was into politics to write for Richard Nixon's, nineteen sixty eight campaign. So he knew Bill Safire new all the Republican players. You know, all the players, but the Republicans he knew them very well in one thousand nine hundred ninety two thanks to Michael Beschloss. Bill Safire's column refers to then attorney general William bar, then attorney general William bar as the cover up general built Bill Safire was quite the phrase maker, and that was his view of William bar. Then how do you think they found William bar for this game? They Google cover up. John. Who is famous for cover up as attorney general, right? Okay. Rachel, go home and sleep. I will do beg your Rachel. Thanks senator. Elizabeth Warren is going to join us later in this hour, and it's on a day when she's enjoyed a significant bump in the polls, including one poll where she comes in second behind Joe Biden, just ahead of Bernie Sanders in third place. We will get her reaction to what you'll Biden said today about impeachment at the end of the hour. We will take a look at what the outlaw Trump White House got away with today in the White House driveway, Kellyanne Conway, actually broke the law in the White House driveway on video in front of a group of reporters who didn't seem to notice that she broke the law, and that might be because there is so much other seemingly bigger potential lawbreaking going on in and around this president of the United States. I tonight we go to the breaking news about the break between special counsel, Robert Muller. And his boss attorney general embark, and we begin with new video tonight of the attorney general not telling the truth about special counsel, Robert Muller. Muller's support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusion. The video is of course, not new, but our knowledge our understanding of that video is completely new our knowledge that the attorney general was not telling the truth that is what's new tonight. We also know tonight that the eternal general did not tell the truth about the special counsel in the house of representatives. Reports have emerged recently general that members of the special counsels team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March twenty four th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the reports findings do you know what they're referencing with that. No, I don't. Two weeks before William bar answered those questions in the house and the Senate he received a letter from Robert Waller, washing post read that letter today and broke the news about it tonight this way special counsel wherever as motor the third wrote a letter in late March complaining to attorney general William P bar that a four page memo to congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into president. Trump quote, did not fully capture the context nature and substance of Muller's work. According to a copy of the letter reviewed Tuesday by the Washington Post, the timing of the leaking of this letter on the eve of the attorney general's testimony tomorrow to the Senate Judiciary committee will surely change the dynamic of what was already expected to be a highly confrontational hearing that will include three democratic candidates for president in the committee's questioning of the attorney general Amy klobuchar. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, the Washington Post quotes. Robert Muller's letter of complaint to the attorney general saying the summary letter the department sent to congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March twenty fourth did not fully capture the context nature and substance of this offices work and conclusions. Muller wrote there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations are Muller's letter made a key request that bar release the four hundred forty four page reports introductions and executive summaries and made some initial suggested reductions for doing so according to Justice department officials the Washington Post reports that Justice department officials were quote taken aback by the tone. On of Muller's letter, the very next day William Barr wrote another letter to congress this time saying that has earlier letter was not intended to be a summary of the mullahs report chairman Jerry Nadler of the House Judiciary committee, which has jurisdiction over the department of Justice and the impeachment process issued a statement today saying that he shares the concerns expressed by Robert Muller in his letter to the attorney general chairman Nadler says the special counsels concerns reflect our own the attorney general should not have taken it upon himself to describe the special counsel's findings in a light more favorable to the president. It was only a matter of time before the facts caught up to him attorney general bar also should not have withheld this letter from congress for as long as he has. I have demanded a copy from the department of Justice. I have asked that it be delivered no later than ten o'clock tomorrow morning. The attorney general has expressed some reluctance to appear before the House Judiciary committee that this Thursday. These reports may. It that much more important for him to appear an answer our questions, the department of Justice has also been reluctant to confirm date for special counsel, Robert Mueller's testify given the evenings reports I will press the department to schedule that hearing without delay. And joining us now by phone is democratic Senator maisy Hirono of a why she's a member of the Senate Judiciary committee and will be questioning attorney general William bar tomorrow. Senator Geraldo, thank you very much for joining us tonight. And a part of our reporting should include that you have now tonight sent a letter along with some of your colleagues about eleven fellow senators have signed it to the Justice department inspector general asking that the inspector general the Justice department on the basis of what you've learned tonight and other issues investigate William bars handling of the mullahs report. What are you hoping to hear from the inspector general about that? Well, let me clarify that. I sent. Letter before this bombshell was dropped tonight about the letter that Muller sent to bar about the his concerns about what bar said, and it's for page letter. So he just events even more concerns to the requests that we sent to the IT. So what I hope to get is where the I g to take on the investigation and to tell us when we were the other whether or not this attorney general is acting impartially as the people's attorney general not the president. So all of the indications are that bar is acting as the lawyer for the president. What are you? What do you want to ask the attorney general about tomorrow's hearing? I serious concerns already. Whether I was going to get any kind of unvarnished truth from bar, and this is before this that are of the information regarding dense letter came forward clearly bar has lied to both the house and the. Senate committees because he was asked knowing full well that Muller did not agree with how bar characterize the his report in the four-page bar letter knowing that he's still testified before both the house of the Senate to indicate that he really didn't know how you know bar felt about the four pager. So that's a lie. It's a lie. This call it what it is. So I know whether he's going to be with I'm going to get anything that that is not more spin from this person. I fully intend to lead us. My seven minutes to make concerns known. However, and do you expect any Republicans tomorrow to be troubled by what they've learned now tonight about Robert Muller's objections to the way William bar, characterized the mullahs report, I would be very surprised if any of them step forward with raising any concerns because they have not expressed concerns up to now knowing full well that bar edition. For this job, and all of his subsequent actions have indicated that he is not impartial impartial. And therefore, he should not be attorney general as far as I'm concerned if he wants to be the president's lawyer he should have taken the job. Will you be focusing your questions tomorrow on the disagreements with Robert Mueller? And they said whatever questions I will ask him. I have no idea where I'm going to get a straightforward answer. And I'm not particularly interested in giving bar more minutes to to spin. He he he's not forthcoming and he wasn't forthcoming during his hearing. And that's one of the major reasons that I did not support him for attorney general's position. And you look at it in his previous tenures attorney general, and you noted that he was called the cover of general he had recommended pardons for people who are involved in Iran-Contra. So his past record as Turney journal was already concerning, but his recent actions only lent further to my concerns. This is not a guy who's gonna be impartial. As you quite to the contrary. Senator maisy Hirono. Thank you very much for joining us by phone tonight. We really appreciate it. We'll be watching the hearing tomorrow and joining our discussion now are two democratic members of congressman of congress congressman Roger Roger increased him worthy of Illinois is a member of the house oversight and the house intelligence committees. And Kearns Monroe comment of California. He's a member of the house oversight committee Carson kind let me start with you your reaction to this new development that Robert Muller expressed basically immediate disagreement with the way William bar characterized. As report this is not a complex legal issue is actually commonsense. If a law student engaged in this kind of dishonesty, they would be kicked out for academic fraud, if a lawyer engaged in this kind of dishonesty they would be disbarred billboard needs to resign. And he needs to resign tomorrow. But I think he knew that he was going to have to resign. And he said it was worth the cost. Of up few skating and giving the president breathing room. And he intentionally took that hit to put a false narrative out there presidential candidate, Helene Castro has also called for a bars. Resignation. Carson Christner, the your reaction to this breaking news tonight. Well, I think that at this point, it's all the more reason why we need the full unredacted Muller report, we need this letter. I don't want a summary of this letter from Mr. bar. I want the letter from Mr. Muller. And then finally, we need Mr. Muller to testify himself, as you know, the house intelligence committee has also requested his testimony. The fact that the Justice department may be standing in the way of him testifying is yet another act of obstruction in my opinion. And now we need to vindicate our rights to investigate whether that means going to court or not let's listen to more of William bars. Testimony with Charlie Crist. Did you contemplate having the special counsel's office help you with the preparation of your March twenty four th letter or did you? We offered to have Bob review it before putting it out, and he declined I didn't ask you about reviewing asked. If you thought about having them help prepare the March twenty four th letter. I mean, they they didn't know I didn't think why not because it was my letter. Karston kinda when you watch these these answers take on new meaning well, and he's trying to be so slippery and trying to opt his skate, but it's not gonna work. I mean, the American people have common sense, they know that he went before the Senate, and he lied. I mean, he said that Bob Muller didn't give him any indication of disagreement that is just untrue. And at some point we have to distinguish fact from spin truth from untruth, and this is as obvious cases, you can get what can Jerry Nadler due to get Robert Muller's testimony. If the journal standing in the way, well, huge subpoena, Robert Muller and again from supreme court's down to lower courts. They've all said that a congress has the right to investigate be. They have the right to issue subpoenas and see they have the right to hold people in contempt. And so I think those are. All rights that now we have to exercise because at this point. We know that the president has already challenged power of the purse by declaring an emergency with regard to spending money on a border wall. And now he's challenging a right of oversight. And he's not the king. He's the president. And the president is accountable to the people and to the representatives representatives, namely in congress, and a constant kind of the the standoff that we're seeing here is something that we really haven't seen the was very kind of a brief version of this during the Nixon investigation. But what was what was so unique is so unique about the Trump administration is it seems impervious to political pressure because it was in fact political pressure that forced a lot of the cooperation from the Nixon administration. It also forced certain forms of cooperation out of Bill Clinton when he was being investigated political pressure is always benefactor in every other administration during any investigation. It doesn't seem to be. Factor here. They don't seem to care at all about the political pressures. You're right. I mean Sam Irwin who was chairing. The Senate select committee famously threatened to send the sergeant at arms to get someone Nixon's White House aides and that shamed them enough that the White House aides complied. But here you're talking about an administration that has no shame. I mean, if people view being held in contempt as a badge of honor as opposed to a career ending embarrassment than what do you do? My view is similar to Representative Krishna birthday. There's only one person who this country will trust. And that's Bob Muller. We need to bring him in front of congress. Let him tell the facts on live television. And I think that's the only thing that's going to resolve this and Muller's complaint to bar was that a what what bars summary? Did was it undermined? It undermined the public confidence in the special counsel. And that's what the special counsel is all about. That's right. He complained about the fact that it didn't capture the context nature. Or substance of the Muller report apart from that he had no problems with the bar summary, apparently. But the point of the the point of this whole situation is that at this point. We don't want anymore filters. We want the Muller genuine draft. We want the full unredacted report. We want Mahler on the hill. And we want this letter before us by by ten AM tomorrow morning. I think Mr. Nadler is asked for Ivan is very reasonable. I think we should have it tonight. But no more filters. We don't want Washington Mars sought but congress hasn't yes, we are joined now by Neil, cut theology. Justice Martin veteran former acting US solicitor general and on MSNBC legal contributor. He wrote. The Justice department rules governing the special counsel Neil, very eager to get your reaction to what we've learned about the communication now between Robert Mueller and attorney general bar. Thank you Lawrence. I guess my reaction has Diaz meal. I mean like, I can't even imagine where to start. I mean, it's not just the fact that there are disagreements between bar Muller. We kind of knew that it's not just the gravity of the disagreements, and it's not even just the fact that Muller decided to go to paper to create a historical record to me, the most significant thing, and you just started to get at at in the end of your segment is this line from the Muller letter, which the Washington Post is reporting the board letter threatens to undermine the central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome in the investigations that's a quote from Muller's letter to bar, the Washington Post on earth, and it's significant because the whole point of the special counsel regulations when we wrote them back in nine hundred ninety nine was to say, look, you can never get the attorney general out of the process and our constitutional system. But. You can either ensure an independent investigation war, if the attorney general interferes in it that it's going to become public. And that is what we are seeing. Now, we are seeing interference by the attorney general becoming a matter of public record. And that means there's only one safe option, and that is what we into it in one thousand nine hundred nine and that is a congressional investigation that may culminate in impeachment. This has set up. Everything bar has done has now set up congress to have to investigate. They have no choice because there can't be public confidence. When you have an attorney general effectively superseding trumping the independent investigation by Bob Muller. The Washington Post is also reporting tonight that after attorney journal William Barr received Robert Muller's letter of complaint that the two then spoke on the telephone for about fifteen minutes. The Washington Post reports that in that call Muller said he was concerned. Media coverage of the obstruction investigation was misguided. And creating public misunderstandings about the offices work. According to Justice department officials and their call bar also took issue with Muller calling his memo a summary. We are joined now by David Frum. He's the senior editor for the Atlantic and the author of Trump Agassi's, former speech writer for President George W Bush and David your reaction to what we're now learning about Robert Muller's, very quick complaint to William bar about William bars. First public statement about the military or the New York Times, which got the story second has a line in his story that I think gives a piercing shot of light as to what this dispute is ultimately about the times got a comment from people around bar that would bar was angry at Muller about was that the mullahs report bar felt was written for congress and not for him. So why would that bother him? Well, because the issue of the Mona report is was there obstruction? And muller. Cassettes up facts at say, if this were anybody, but the president, obviously, yes, however, this department has rules that say I can't charge the president. And since I can't charge the president on. I'm going to follow this departments rules. Therefore, I'm not going to make any recommendations to anybody. I'm going to pass this over to the people who have the power and the right to make decision. And that is not you Mr. bar that is congress. And that is what bar was angry about the mother was forcing his hand. My taking a decision Muller wanted to make away from him and giving it to these gentlemen to say if you all think there's been obstruction of Justice than you have remedies. This department does not embarrassing. I am going to take the fact that I don't have a remedy to say there isn't a problem when there was a problem. Neil cut y'all to that point. It seems that that interpretation of the ball report. Then suggests that what William bar did was ineffective intercept it if the report was intended. Of to be delivered to the body that can make a judgment about obstruction of Justice. It. It was then intercepted by an attorney general who according to the department's own rules actually can't make a decision about obstruction of Justice. And then he made a decision about obstruction of Justice. Exactly. I mean, the whole thing is so snowflake he just like much of the Trump administration. They have all these like fake complaints. I mean, you know, how can bar- complain about Muller. Not reaching a conclusion got obstruction of Justice. That's after all what happened in whitewater with George skeets. What happened whitewater with Ken Starr? And it's what happened in Watergate with Joris ski. They just sent the material up to congress and said, you decide and I agree with David Frum entirely the whole idea behind that you can't indicted sitting president every scholar even the office legal counsel memos and even the Muller report. And all say the reason for that is because you have to impeach I you gotta have a congressional determination. I so how far can sit there and complain about this. When after all, it's what he wanted which was the non indictment of his boss. The president is beyond me. And then, you know, the special counsel regulations did exactly what we hoped they would do here which is four sunlight on bar if. He's going to interfere. We're gonna find out about it. And that's exactly what we're finding out tonight massive interference by the attorney general in an ongoing investigation of his boss. The president of the United States, and you cannot trust an attorney general who interferes in such a way with an independent investigation. The Olympia ask you one other point of interference with your experience in the Justice department, and that is a can the attorney general prevent William Barr from testifying because we have a breaking news report tonight and the Daily Beast saying that House Democrats told the Daily Beast they've been told special counsel Robert Mueller is willing to testify before them about his report on Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election. But that the department of Justice has been unwilling to set a date for it to happen. Neil. A can the attorney general prevent William Barr from testifying prevent a Robert Muller from testing doing. I mean, no, I mean, these folks are at then Trump administr. Are so afraid of the truth is afraid to testify bars afraid to testify in the house of representatives on Thursday because he might get more than five minutes of questions in a row. And now they're trying to prevent according to the Daily Beast Muller from testifying it's not gonna work, and it's not gonna work because we wrote the special counsel regulations anticipating in various attorney general like what it evidently, it seems like we have and the failsafe was to appoint someone from outside of the Justice department. So Robert Muller was outside at the Justice department. He was brought in to be special counsel, but he can leave tomorrow, I'll leave government service tomorrow, and the attorney general and the president will not be able to stop him from testifying that was our break glass in case of emergency option. I sure hope we don't have to use it. But everything that this isn't ministration has done to try and squelch the truth leads me to think we might have to cross up rich Carson Krishna Murthy. Rachel Maddow reported in the previous hour that. Hurt. Her staff contacted the specialty spokesperson for these special counsel's office. And once again, they said that that Robert Muller's departure is days away. But that's something. They've said. Weeks ago that it's days away. So it may be that. That's what we're waiting for in order for him to testify. It may be that. But on the other hand, I still think that Mr. Muller should express himself publicly on this whether he should testify or not I think that his taciturn nece at this point is perhaps counterproductive I think that on the one hand he has to show deference to the department of Justice. But on the other hand he is a special counsel. He needs six size them independence, and at least through his spokesman, he should express his desire to testify and make it known. And if at that point, the Justice department, formerly says, no, then he has to leave, but we have to remember, you know, the Trump administration is now trying to get even former officials from testifying preventing them from testifying such as Mr. Mcgann the White House counsel. Again, I have to say congress has the power to subpoena these people in their individual capacity and hold them in contempt in there. Individual capacity, and we have to vindicate are the right of the people to have oversight of this president and Don mcgann's, personal lawyer now has been showing some deference to the notion that the White House might still have control over the testimony of a former White House staffer I just want to bring in this new call for the attorney general's resignation. It comes with some weight from Senator Chris van Hollen because he is using the testimony that Robert Barr actually answer. Our regard gave to him in a Senate hearing as the reason he's saying tonight Senator van Holland is saying on April twentieth. I asked Barr to Bob Muller. Support your conclusion his answer was I don't know whether Muller supported my conclusion, we now know Muller stated his concerns on March twenty seventh and that bar totally misled me, the congress and the public. He must resign. So. The the calls for as nation increase as you sit here let off with one, but there's going to be more before this hour's out. I'm sure the irony is of all the obstruction Bill bar may have committed the gravest offence in obstructing Justice. And it's important to realize fob Muller is not Ken Starr. I mean, he was so careful he made a conclusion not to go after Trump on the collusion issue. He has been bended a bending over backwards to not go after the president. And that's why I think he has so much credibility, frankly, more credibility than people were Democrats or Republicans than we have on the committee. The American people have a sense of judgment, and they're going to look at this person as nonpartisan as having done his duty as putting country above party. And I think he's the only person really who can help us heal when he comes in front of congress David read at the beginning of the hour. Bill Safire's nineteen ninety. A to call them where in in Bill bars, I tour of duty as a turning general. A Republican columnists who worked for Republican president Richard Nixon referred to him gave him the label of cover up general in in those days. What does this do to the future of attorney general William bar? I think many people who are watching this program and listening to us tonight. Maybe feeling a little bit of anguish, maybe even some despair. And I think that they should know that we're here in the last hours before this damn cracks that the White House yesterday served a letter on Deutsche Bank saying we don't want you to cooperate with a congressional subpoena. That letter is you read it. I mean, I it's been a long time since I read law, but you read it anything this is poor work. But sometimes when you have no facts and no arguments on your side, the the best work, you can do is pretty poor in which they are saying Deutsche Bank, you can refuse the subpoena for a whole list of reasons that every supreme court case on the congressional subpoenas. Our says they cannot do they're going to try to interfere with other congressional subpoenas. But the law is clear would if congress can legislate on something lawfully, so they can't ask you to produce something that would violate your first amendment or fourth amendment rights, but if they can lodge late they can get the material they need where the information so you can legislate and the these cases are going to be lost. Trump administration is playing for time. They are hoping they can push this beyond November twenty twenty that will be up to the courts, but they are going to lose lose lose. And I think public opinions with us Lawrence. I think on this particular issue president site is all that. But what does that matter in the way this administration conducts itself, they don't seem that they've never cared about public opinion? They only care about Trump base opinion, which they have I think that this is all the more reason why we have to go to the mat on this particular issue. We have to go to the mat in exercising our right to subpoena and to potentially hold. Holding people individually in contempt with regard to this particular investigative right of congress. If we can't do this. We might as well, just go home. But Carson kinda it's my sense that this administration is happy to watch you use all those tools, and contempt and anything you want to do. Because the only thing they care about is how many days it eats up on the calendar. And they simply want to push this thing. They don't have to push it all the way to November of twenty twenty. They just need to push it well into twenty twenty so that the whole political community just kind of throws up their hands and said, okay, it's too close to the election for us to try to do anything conclusive anything like an impeachment procedure. And then you're absolutely right. I mean, they're hope is that Trump becomes the Republican nominee, and then they'll say, oh, how unfair you can't disqualify the Republican party's nominee, and they just need to push this out till January til the Iowa caucuses. That's why the thing they're petrified of is someone coming before live television, the president understands that he didn't care if Don Mcgann was talking to Muller in a confidential four hundred forty eight page report, but the president understands television, and what he is scared of is Muller or Mcgann or these folks come and testify on live TV I mean, you saw the impact of the cabin off hearing where the president actually I thought that Christine Blodget Ford had won the day. And I think that's the only thing that can change public opinion. Neil cut y'all is there any a tactic available, but can somehow speed up these processes to kind of make the subpoena process. Move more quickly for the Democrats in the house. I do I think that they can rave have expedited proceedings if in quarter, if the administration decides the triumph block people from testifying the like, so I do think that that's possible. But I think Lawrence stubbing their to really fundamental issues apart from the politics or even the law. One is what does it say about us if we don't launch investigations and subpoena people right away. I think it just says that we're also in some sense not week and not afraid to afraid to get at the truth. And the other is what it says about them. Because even if they can stretch this out a little bit, maybe the leave in stretched out to next year's election cycle. There is now a damning historical record not just about the president. But about his attorney general Bill bar, and I used to walk down the Justice department on the fifth floor and seal those portrait's of legendary attorneys-general Griffin bell, and you know, Robert Jackson and people like that Bill bar will not be like that. There is no chance anymore. He has funded. Mentally sullied his reputation and his legacy with the way he's acted and in the history books. These folks will go down for what they are. And David from a whoever Donald Trump chose as his next attorney general. At that moment in time knew that he or she was going to take a very significant place in history history is being handed to that attorney. This was not going to be forgotten attorney general and Bill bar has seems to have had seems to have made his choice for history. Well, he may just have made a bad calculation people sometimes too. He may have thought maybe I can do this for a little while return to my law firm. Eat lunch in Washington. Be a big, man. A former attorney general is one of the greatest jobs in the American legal profession, if you don't disgrace yourself, and maybe it'll work, but there too many cracks in the dam. The emoluments case cracking just as we speak of the tax returns case they are able to slow that one down, but the deutchebanks subpoena Deutsche Bank wants to release those documents because Deutsche Bank has important reputational risk. They don't want to be seen as stooges for Russian money launderers. And I don't know that they are going to be able to resist having the the people in this White House case refuse subpoenas from congress from the house of representatives. Remember also only one house needs to vote to hold someone in contempt. Not both. End of the day, you know, Lawrence. The option is either to Percy proceed with our. Strategy of issuing subpoenas and holding people in contempt or doing nothing. That's it. And we can't afford to do nothing at this point. We we have to continue. And if there's some delay fine. But we have to do this for the purpose of our congress. We're gonna have to squeeze in a break and our breaking news coverage congressman Roque Khanna, congressman Roger Krishnamurthy, Neil Cutty. I'll David Frum. Thank you all very much for joining our discussion and starting us off tonight. Really appreciate it. And when we come back after this break, Elizabeth Warren was the first presidential candidate to call for impeachment of the president immediately. After she read the mullahs report and today, Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign got a significant boost in a new round of polls. Senator Warren will join us next. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Impeachment has never been an issue in a presidential campaign before. But now it is and the new front runner in the democratic presidential. Primary was asked about impeachment today. Three new presidential polls show, Joe Biden with a strong lead and those three polls also have good news for another candidate. Senator Elizabeth Warren who finished in the top three in all of those polls in one poll, she came in second just one point ahead of Bernie Sanders, which is actually a statistical tie within the margin of error. Elizabeth Warren's move up in the polls has come after months of campaigning on a near constant roll out of new policy proposals. That have made her the recognized new policy leader in the campaign and her move up in the polls came after she announced in no uncertain terms that she is in favor of the impeachment of President Trump the day after the mullahs report was released two weeks ago. Here is what the new front runner in the democratic field. Joe Biden said about. Impeachment today. The mullahs report what was your initial reaction to the findings one. There was Russian interference without any question. Russian interference number one. Number two there elements of the report in the second phase of the report about seven or eight things are left undone. He was not within his purview investigative thought. The congress attempting to take that up and what the congress should do. And they are doing is investigate that. And if in fact, they blocked the investigation they have no alternative to go to the only other constitution resort. They have is impeachment. But my job. In the meantime, is to make sure he's not back as prison. United States America. We recorded our interview with Senator Warren earlier this evening before the breaking news of Robert Muller's letter of complaint to attorney general William bar here is that intricate. Joining us. Now, the senior Senator from Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren who is also the democratic candidate for president. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Senator oh, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. I want to get your reaction to what vice president Biden said this morning about impeachment. So look I read the report, and she said, and what I got to the end of the report there were three things that were very very clear. The first is that a hostile foreign government attacked are twenty sixteen election with the purpose of helping gun. Trump. The second is Donald Trump welcomed that health and the third is that when our federal government tried to investigate after Donald Trump was inaugurated, he did everything he could to try to stop that investigation to try to derailed that investigation to try to send that investigation somewhere else and the actions that he took our will documented it's all right there in the report, I got to the end of that report. And I said, look, this is not about politics. This is about the responsibility of congress as a co equal branch of government. And I think it's time to open impeachment proceedings. Then there is a difference because the vice president is saying that the house should investigate. And then, but he's also saying if the president blocks the investigations, then they have no choice that actually puts him in a slightly tougher signing position. Let's say than the house leadership which continues to want to hold to the idea that it has not yet developed the information necessary for an impeachment hearing. Hook. I just don't know anybody reads that report and reads, the documentation of the president trying to get the White House counsel to fire Muller. And when Muller refuses to do that tries to get the press, president tries to get the White House counsel to lie about it. And when he refuses to do that, the president tries to get White House counsel to write a letter whine about it. And then when he won't do that the president castigates goes after the the White House counsel for having taken notes about what he had tried to get him to do it. And it's that way over into over and over through that report. There are ten separate instances that are fully documented there's plenty of testimony about it plenty of documentary evidence about it. There is enough. There that we should open the impeachment proceedings now in my view, you know, look opening the proceedings doesn't mean that you stop an investigation. It means that you can continue an investigation. But look that's how I read it. I read that report the Muller report. And when I get to the end, it is perfectly clear to me that what Donald Trump has done are peachable offenses, and that it's now up to congress to step up and stepping up in this case means opening an impeachment hearing on a blazer and pavement because you don't get onto the issues. But I just want us see one more thing you say that's how I read it. And it sounds to me that I'm hearing it. This is how I read it as a Harvard law professor as a trained lawyer, and I'm wondering if you feel as if you have certain advantages legal experience advantages in reading it over some of your colleagues now. No. I mean. Yes. Those things are all truth that I am. I am a lawyer in. Yes, I've taught in law school, but this isn't hard to read I really want to be blunt about this. I do not understand how somebody could read four hundred and forty eight pages of the Muller report and Moller lays out in pretty clear. Terms, exactly what the grounds are for obstruction of Justice. And what the documentation is for each piece along the line. This is not hard to follow. In fact, most of the pushback that I hear is about the politics of it. And and for me, this is a point of principle. This is about whether or not each person in the house, and then if the house votes it over to the Senate takes a vote and says that those efforts to obstruct Justice are okay, or they are not. And I. I think everyone in congress should be called on to take that vote and then to live with that vote for the rest of their lives, one element of the politics of it or the presidential politics. And there is a belief or I shouldn't let's call it a fear instead of a belief among some Democrats democratic strategists and some democratic officeholders both in the house and the Senate who worry that impeachment proceedings could help empower President Trump in his reelection campaign, especially if there's no hope of removing him in a Senate vote, and and you could be on the ticket running against President Trump for re election next September. Don't you don't you have any concern that the that some kind of impeachment process might actually help energize his campaign against the democrat in November? There are some issues that are bigger than politics. And one of them is whether or not a president of the United States is above the law. You know, I understand that in a dictatorship. Everybody's circles around the president and protects him, but that's not the way the constitution divides power in our country. It says that no one is above the law in that includes the president of the United States and the tool to make sure that the president is not above the law. The tool given to congress is an impeachment proceeding. This is serious. This is about a foreign hostile foreign government that attacked our election system and an investigation into that that was blocked by the president for his own political purposes. This is a moment when we have to stand up in congress. It's not a question of political party or the next election. It's about what we think is. Right. And I didn't go into this thinking, oh, great. Let's see if we can stir up a big impeachment fight. It's the conclusion I've reached by reading the whole report. And I I r- everybody to keep that report. I urge all of my colleagues to read that report and tell me how they can stand by and say, you know, that kind of behavior may be just fine in a president of the United States. It's not fine. No one's above the law. Not even the president. Thanks for Senator Elizabeth Warren and joined us earlier, we prerecorded that interview before the breaking news tonight that has kind of taken over this hour, and after this break, we will take a look at the outlaw Trump White House the way the Trump White House actually breaks the law everyday and no one even bothered to mention it anymore because of all of the bigger stuff in the mullahs report. That's next. Bob muller. Support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusion. Joining us now by phone the Senator who asked that question democratic Senator Chris van Holland of Maryland, Senator thank you very much for joining us tonight. You have tweeted your reaction to the breaking news tonight about Robert Muller's letter. But please expand on that for our audience tonight. Well, war, what we saw in attorney general bars response to my question was another in a series of blatantly misleading comments in order to protect the president to serve not the attorney general, but as the service that cheap propaganda for the president and the Trump administration came on the heels of the four page letter where mischaracterized entirely Muller's finances specially with respect to obstruction of Justice. And I've been asking the attorney general not hearing it serious questions. I'm structured Justice. How he reached that conclusion? He did he repeated the answer though. So I simply ask them. He did Bob Muller agree with conclusions and the gave the answer you just played. And now, we know that he already received a letter from Bob Muller. Taking issues with the way, the attorney general characterize that conclusions. Yes, Bob Muller's letter to quote, it as an appears in the Washington Post says that the that what attorney general bar wrote about the mullahs report, quote did not fully capture the context nature and substance of this offices work and conclusions. And that's something that attorney general bar knew when he gave you that answer which seemed to I guess feign ignorance about Robert Muller's thinking on this. Exactly, right. 'cause he had no in the back of the mind his mind that he got this letter from Bob Muller, a witch is you just quoted sad that, you know, attorney general Mars conclusions. Did not have to. Son of Moller's work and conclusions. I asked him whether or not Muller had agreed with this conclusion use the same word that was the molar Letterman and barb clearly and deliberately I believe misled, you know, not just need with more, the congress and the public on this and more. This is a part of a pattern of behavior, which is why you know, when when the attorney general can no longer be trusted by the public. It's time with your turn of general to resign. And Senator when you ask that question, did you have any knowledge or information of about what the answer to that question should be? I did not I was growing very frustrated with the fact that the attorney general refused to let me know how he had reached a different conclusions with respect to the extract obstruction of Justice charge. Since over how he reached inclusion exonerate President Trump when when Muller and his report or had expressly, not exonerated Muller on dynamism, president of obstruction of Justice. And so when I was very frustrated with his refusal to tell me how he Barbie secular. I I just asked him if he had any reasonably that Moeller agreed with its conclusions. And I know I did not know that at that moment. The attorney general new and was already in possession of this letter to promote. I have to say when you ask the question. It seemed like a logical question to me at the time without any other surrounding knowledge about it. It's a normal question to ask a sender. You're not a member of the judiciary committee where William bar will be testifying tomorrow. But I have a feeling you're going to play a very large role in that hearing. I assume more than one of your colleagues will be quoting you be quoting that exchange. To the attorney general is there is there something the attorney general can possibly say that you think could reasonably explain the answer that he gave to you. I can't think of any plausible explanation Lawrence. But I do believe that this exchange that I had with the attorney general we'll we'll come up. I'm capita. My colleagues will pursue that line of questioning because it leaving everybody, you know, scratching their head about is response. But it, of course is patterns that we've seen from the attorney general very disappointing. But anybody who still believed that the turning general is active as the public's will air. I think had a wake up call from the ladder, and sort of this this lean exchanges. He had with me. Senators you share my view based on it's based on my experience in government. I know you have more experience than government than I do that. When when someone like, a Robert Muller writes, a letter like that to the attorney general it is for the attorney general, but the author of that letter knows that the letter is going to live in history knows that eventually that letter is going to be revealed to congress and knows that that letter on some news night. Like, this is eventually going to be the big story of the night. Yeah, I believe probably Muller was very disturbed and upset with the way. Three general characterized his report when the attorney general put together that a four page letter and Muller wanted his use Muller's us clearly documented there would be no any one of them. Temporary documented. For the reasons you're saying, this is an important historical record. And he wanted to go on record on this important question. Senator Chris van Hollen? Thank you for joining us on this very important that we really appreciate you. Joining us. Thank you Senator very much. Well, that is not exactly the program. We scheduled even at the beginning of this hour, a lot of things at the change during the course of that our including getting Senator van Hollen on the phone for us tonight, which we greatly. Appreciate Senator Chris van Holland gets tonight's last word. Hey, guys, Willie Geist here. Be sure to check out. This week's episode of the Sunday, sit down podcast where I chat with avengers endgame star. 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Barr's rosy report spin frustrates Mueller investigators: NYT

"The Rachel Maddow show. We had nine eastern on MSNBC when it rains. Pours feels like a Friday literally since dinner time tonight. We have learned in the Washington Post that the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner is White House official number one who was denied a security clearance last year because of concerns about foreign influence over him his private business interests and his personal conduct after a ruling by career security officials that mR Kushner had too many significant disqualifying factors to receive a top secret clearance, a Trump political appointee, nevertheless overruled that determination and gave Jared Kushner the top secret clearance. Anyway, Kushner, you might remember issued a statement in February saying that his security clearance was handled in the regular process. It now seems clear according to a whistle blower in a position to know. That that statement was absolutely not true. The post reports. Tonight that Kushner's top secret clearance was granted against the recommendation of security officials on may I it was in fact initialled by the Trump appointee who overruled security staff on that same day. Also on may first Yvonne could Trump the president's daughter who's married to Mr. Kushner, she was also given her clearance that same day as well. And you at home should look under your chair because you get a top secret clearance to and you get a top secret clearance, and you gonna top secret clearance. Everybody gets one no matter. The serious disqualifying red flags in your background checks, and how many ways actual national security screeners believe that you can't be trusted with the nation's most secret information, you get one. Anyway, again, the president's son-in-law Jared Kushner being named as White House official number one previously described by name in those reports are going to have more on that story ahead. We're also going to have more ahead on this major shot. Across the bow tonight from the ways and means committee chairman, Richard Neal, congressman Richard Neal of Massachusetts heads the ways and means committee today, he notified the IRS in writing that he is invoking the section of the federal tax code that requires the IRS to show him specific tax returns that he wants to see as chairman of ways, and means chairman Neil is requesting six years of President Trump's personal tax returns starting in two thousand thirteen two years before he declared his run for the presidency all the way through to twenty eighteen last year, congressman Neal has also told the IRS to turnover tax returns for those same years for all of these different Trump business entities. According to background information provided by the ways and means committee. Those specific entities quote constitute the core of the president's business. The committee says the first five entities on that list, quote, control hundreds of other business enter. Eighties associated with President Trump. So again, we will have more on that story ahead over the course of this evening, including the fact that the IRS you should understand. They're not being asked for these records. They're not being subpoenaed for these records. They appear to be plainly required by law to hand these tax returns over now that the committee chairman has demanded them congressman Neal claims today that the IRS has never before in US history. Rejected a request for tax return filed under this section of the tax code. But those demands of the IRS are in and formerly worded and formally requested slash demanded as of tonight that one is red hot and brand new and just as we were digesting that then we got this. You don't say who could have seen this coming the headline in this breaking news report in the New York Times tonight. This is just broken within the last hour and a half. You see the headline there some on Muller's team see their findings as more damaging for Trump then bar revealed. Oh who could have seen this coming? You mean to tell me when the newly installed Trump attorney general decided to sit on the mullahs report and not release it to anyone not a single page, and instead the White House and congressional Republicans and conservative media tried to claim total vindication for the president in Muller's report based just on attorney general bars odd vague characterization of what he says Muller concluded. Which the then later said shouldn't even be taken as a summary of what Muller concluded you mean to tell me that maybe the mullahs report isn't exactly as exciting and positive and exculpatory for the president as the Trump administration and conservative media. And congressional Republicans would have you believe really who could have seen this coming. Hope you've enjoyed your victory laps. Here's the lead tonight in the New York Times, quote, some of Robert Muller's investigators have told associates that attorney general William P bar failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that the findings of their inquiry were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. bar indicated citing government officials and others familiar with the simmering frustrations of Muller's investigators the times tonight reports quote, some members of Muller's team are concerned that because Mr. bar created the first public narrative of the special counsel find. Dings Americans views will have hardened about the Muller report before the investigation's conclusions actually become public, quote, at stake in the dispute is who shapes the public's initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Today. Of course, congressional Democrats led by chairman, Jerry Nadler of the House Judiciary committee. They authorized a subpoena to obtain the entire unredacted report from Muller's office. They did not send that subpoena to attorney general bar today. Judiciary chairman Jerry Nadler insisted instead today that he wants to give attorney general bar time to change his mind. He basically wants to negotiate with the attorney general to try to persuade him to release the unredacted report of Muller signings to the judiciary committee attorney general bar for his part appears to be basically ignoring all requests and demands from congress when it comes to Muller's report, he insisted in his last letter to the judiciary committee is that he's going through the report now and cutting out a whole bunch of different kinds of information that he believes congress shouldn't be allowed to see. He has said that Muller himself is assisting with this reduction. Process. Although no one quite knows what that means. And that may become a very very different thing. In terms of how we understand this process. Given this new reporting from the times this report from the times tonight suggests that Muller's team, however involved they are in the process from here on out. This report tonight suggest that Muller's team is not on board with how attorney general William bar is handling this. And according to the times reporting members of Muller's team, are are basically warning people that attorney general William Baras trying to publicly sell a version of what he says are molars findings. That is not actually a fair representation of what Muller found and that happens to be way too kind to President Trump when you compare it with Muller's actual conclusions. And this this new reporting goes right back to that strange. Initial question of why exactly is behaving the way? He is. Why it is that bar decided to provide his purported summer? Don't call it a summary of molars findings in the first place. Nobody expected him to do that. There's nothing in the special counsel regulations that required him to do that. There was no warning or any sort of expectation that he would do that why. In fact, did bar decide to not release anything from molars report? And instead to release his own take on what Muller found here's more from the times report tonight, quote, special counsels. Investigators had already written multiple summaries of their own report. And some team members believe that bar should have included more of their material in the four page letter. He wrote on March twenty fourth laying out their main conclusions as he characterized them. Mr. bar, quote, only briefly cited the special counsels work in his letter going on the time says that government officials familiar with the investigation and others interviewed declined to flush out why some of the special counsels investigators view their findings as potentially more damaging for the president than Barr explained. And quote, it was unclear how much discussion Muller and his investigators had with senior Justice department officials about how their findings would be made public. So I mean, this is just this is remarkable right with it with the times describing here remarkably is criticism, right? What they describe as simmering frustration from Muller's investigators about the pro-trump characterization of their findings that attorney general William bar made public as his own summary of their work while he a prevented any of the actual report from being made public or even provided to congress and be he apparently prevented even their own written summaries of their own work from becoming public at all. This is totally new. We had no idea that Muller's teams summarized their own findings themselves. They prepared a summary themselves. Bar did not release that summary. He wrote a different one himself which Muller's investigators say is wrong. They at least say it is less damaging President Trump than what their report and their investigation actually found. Now, there's there's a couple more couple more things here. One is reporting that I mean, it's all anonymous sources, right. But the this is reporting that appears to be sourced from DOJ. I say that because the times describes it sources for some of this as unnamed persons close to attorney general bars thinking. But those sources are telling reporters at the times. Why bar might have released his own summary that was only sunshine in Bluebirds when it came to President Trump rather than releasing the actual written summary prepared by Muller's investigators themselves have to warn you. This is a little bit rich in terms of the explanation about why bar did what he did. Quote bar has come under criticism for sharing so little from Muller's report. But according to officials familiar with the attorney general's thinking he and his aides limited the details. They revealed because they were worried about waiting into political territory. Mr. bar has advisors expressed concern that if they included derogatory information about Mr. Trump while clearing him they would face a storm of criticism like what James Comey endured in the Clinton investigation quote bar was wary of departing from Justice department practice not to disclose derogatory. Details in closing an investigation, according to government officials familiar with bars thinking they pointed to the decision by James Comey too harshly criticize Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen while simultaneously announcing that he was recommending no charges against her in the inquiry into her Email practices. So according to sources close to attorney general bars thinking, that's what he's thinking. Maine just. Imagine you're writing the history chapter about this for people. Not yet born right? Here's the thinking. Because the FBI made an announcement of free-floating criticism and derogatory information about presidential candidate Hillary Clinton right before the presidential election, thus helping her opponent Donald Trump win the presidency. Now, Donald Trump appointees are soberly pledging that when it comes to a sprawling criminal and counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump as president the Clinton example is why nothing should be released to the public about Trump whatsoever. Not at least if it's negative only if it's good. Because that's the principal. Right. That we're upholding. Here's here's one last point in this time story, though a couple of times the time says tonight that they're not exactly sure they're they're not reporting here. What exactly the objection is from Muller's team? What the frustration is here for Muller's team about the distance between what they actually found and the way bar has characterized their investigation. For example, the time says explicitly in their report tonight, quote, it was not clear, what findings special counsels investigators viewed as troubling for Mr. Trump. But clearly there troubling findings for Mr. Trump are listed in their their own report. Right. They have written these things down. They are the findings of the molar investigation. They're they're in the report, which twelve days now, we can't see. So the question is do we get to see what those troubling findings for Mr. Trump are and who's going decide I mean, who's deciding what is getting cut out of Muller's report. Congress says they get it all and redacted. Well, who's deciding what they're going to try to ship to congress when they reject Congress's claim that they should get an redacted report. Who's to decide what goes to the public? What they reductions are again attorney general Barr says that Muller the special counsel is assisting in the process of deciding what's being redacted from the report before bar. Let's it out of his clutches and gives it either to congress or the public. So Muller is supposedly helping in this process of cutting stuff out of his own report blacking stuff out. Well, according to the times tonight. Muller's team again prepared their own summaries of what their own findings were and Bart decided not to release their own written summaries of their own findings. And instead substituted his own explanation of what he says, they found which they now take issue with one of the weirdest things in this whole report tonight, though is that what the times is basically saying, according to sources that appear to be in the Justice department are sources familiar with the attorney general's thinking is that when Muller's team prepared their own summaries of their own findings? They prepared them in such a way that they would be unreleased able either to congress or to the public. Why would they do that just what the times reports, quote, the special counsels investigators had already written multiple summaries of their own report? And some team members believed that Mr. bar should've included more of their material in the four page letter. He wrote on March twenty fourth laying out Miller's main conclusions. However, the special counsel's office never asked Mr. bar to release the summaries soon after he received the report. A person familiar with the investigation said, okay. And the Justice department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified materials secret grand jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential. That's according to to government officials. So this is the part of it that kind of throbs like a fritzy neon sign here. I mean, what the times is reporting based on what appears to be current government officials Justice department sources is that Muller and his team prepared their own summaries of their findings Muller's team is angry that those summaries were not released to the public by bar, and instead he in instead, he released his own which was much nicer to Trump, but Muller is also involved in deciding what can and can't be released from his report and his summaries were written in such a way that they definitely can't be released to the public or to congress. That something just doesn't add up here. I will say there is one last implication, though, of this reporting from the times once the last time it over this whole two year process that you remember seeing reporting that sourced to Muller's investigators. Moller's investigators say Muller's investigators have told ones the last time, you saw reporting like that you haven't seen reporting like that before one of the other implications of this reporting tonight is that whatever William bar is trying to do with Muller's report. It is a peers to be rubbing Robert Muller and his team the wrong way. And for the first time in this whole two year process. They appear to be willing to squawk to make some public noise to make sure their findings are not abused or mischaracterized or submarines maybe there will be now a new voice in this whole process from Muller and his team themselves. They've been silent throughout this entire process. Now, we're starting to hear from them. Joining us now is Neil Koch L former acting solicitor general in the Obama administration. He's the author of the Justice department regulations that define the office of special counsel. It's great to have you here tonight. Thanks for joining us on short notice. Thanks, rachel. Let me just ask you. I know you've had a chance to read this times report. I know you just heard my sort of takeaways from it. Let me ask you what you think. Is important here. And what you think people should understand about this reporting. Well, totally clears the president know, Rachel, it's obviously due to this reporting and other things chose to be a lot more complicated than that. And President Trump said those words and his advisors at the mullahs report clears him totally and the like and they've got to prove it up now. And last week Trump said that the report clears them, and he wants the public report that he wants them all report to be publicly released and today, he switched tunes in a press conference and said it shouldn't be released, blah, blah, blah excuse after excuse, and I think what's really extraordinary about this. As you were saying just toward the end of your discussion is we've gone twenty two months. We've never heard anything from team Muller until tonight. And that just I think underscores that what bar did in those two letters in the games. He's been playing are deeply damaging and the Muller team is evidently not going to stand. For it. And obviously, this is complicated. Because this is the times Scott three very impressive reporters bylined on this. They're being very specific about the types of sources that they got here. But their sources are unnamed I I have been wondering all along if the Trump administration or William bar, specifically really tried to abuse Muller's findings tried to mischaracterize them tried to submarine them. Tried to. Represent them to the American people are to congress in a way that Muller felt was not fair would he surface himself as a voice or do the special counsel regulations again that you wrote essentially make him so subordinate to the attorney general at this point in the process that he can't speak for himself that he's not allowed to essentially advocate for the fair treatment of his own findings. No, we anticipated this. And that's why the special counsel comes from outside the Justice department because one smaller leaves in the attorneys in his office leave they have more freedom to speak to congress on matters of public concern than they might is department employees. And that's one reason why exists that way, and so the whole idea behind the special counsel regulations because the constitution gives the attorney general the full prosecution power, the idea is to say attorney general if you start messing with the special counsel, then it's gotta be public. There's gotta be sunlight on that. And the ultimate safeguard is what we're seeing play out tonight, which is. If an attorney general starts to abuse the special counsel's report abused a special counsel's findings, then the special counsel will come forward and shed sunlight into what might look like a cover up. And that is what we're starting to see. Now, something that looks like a cover up now might not be it might be. They're totally legitimate reasons for this. But so far has given nobody any reason to think that this is all on the up and up. It looks like he's protecting his guy. And that's why the special counsel regulations, and indeed all the historical all the investigations of presidents such as Nixon such as Clinton the special prosecutor report comes out because that's what guarantees public confidence in the administration of Justice. And it's gotta come out. Now. I mean, it might have been one thing if bar hadn't wrote those two summary, non summary, whatever you call letters but bar did. And he took it on himself to clear, President Trump on stuff that Muller didn't clear him on. And at that point. It starts to look. And more like a cover up, and why the report has to be released now briefly one last question on this point about what is going to come out. Obviously with this authorized subpoenas today, and the judiciary committee a lot of interesting. And actually, I thought quite substantive discussion the judiciary committee today as to whether or not the attorney general is within his rights to be personally going through the mullahs report. And and taking grand jury material out of that saying that that can't be conveyed to congress. Lot of discussion. The judiciary committee today about the prospect of some entity may be the judiciary committee itself. Some entity going to the court going to ask for a court order filing a lawsuit or making a motion with the court. So that grand jury material can be conveyed to congress much as as happened with the Watergate grow roadmap in nineteen seventy four and with other investigations as well if bar doesn't want to do that. And he so far hasn't responded to congressional Democrats asking him to make that request of the court. Is it possible that Muller himself that? Muller's team as the special counsel's office could make that sort of a request to the judge that the grand jury information be conveyed conveyed to congress. Yes. Smaller can do it or congress can do it on its own even third party? So bar is right. When he says grand jury material can't be released absent to court order, but he could've thought that court order last Monday nine days ago, and he hasn't done it yet. So it says seem like it's not really about grand jury information. It's about something else. He's try it looks like he's trying to protect certain information, perhaps damaging information from coming out. And if he actually cares about rule six e he could go to court tomorrow and get this thing lifted. That's exactly what happened in. Watergate exactly what happened in the Clinton impeachment, and it should happen here. Neil L, former acting solicitor General, Sir. Thank you very much into, you know, it's a real pleasure to have you here on a night like this. All right up next the news that on any other night would have led the show for a week. We'll be right back with that. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Just in the past few months, just since Democrats took over the house a whole bunch of stuff started being pried open when it comes to the president's finances. The president's longtime lawyer Michael Cohen testified publicly to congress earlier this year that among other things Trump had committed insurance fraud at his New York business that led to a on Trump's insurance broker gigantic firm subsequently being subpoenaed by the New York department of financial services and an entity like that has a name that sounds almost quaint like, oh, they provide services. Actually, they are a law enforcement agency that has an incredible and cinematic history of busting people up to and including major mafia families based on financial crimes and fraud. Cohen also testified that Trump inflated his assets not just to commit insurance fraud, but also to apply for Bank loans, which would if true constitute Bank fraud that led to Deutsche Bank subsequently being subpoenaed by the New York attorney general's office specifically on the issue of that banks large loans to Trump Deutsche Bank has also reportedly been cooperating with requests for documents from the House Financial Services committee, and from the house intelligence committee now today Elijah Cummings chair of the oversight committee says that Trump's accounting firm czars has also agreed to handover years worth of financial documents from their time working with Trump interestingly, though, czars alerted congress that they would please like a subpoena if they really wanted to see this information. So it's clear that they legally had no choice, but to hand over these documents about their work with Trump congressman Cummings today told reporters that he would be happy to oblige. So listen, they will provide the information when they pretty much win have being we'll get him. We'll get him a subpoena. No problem asking you shall receive. So it's only, you know, early spring and the president's financial world is already opening like crocus poking its nose through the snow. But now tonight there's this Democrats tonight starting to tackle the original open question about the president's finances. His tax returns. I mean, Trump never releasing his tax returns is something we've gotten used to about him doesn't mean though, it's now normal it is still an absolutely unprecedented and abnormal thing. Trump remains not just the first president. But the first major party presidential candidate to not release his tax returns in decades. And the reason he's consistently given over and over again for the reason he's not releasing his tax returns is that the returns are under audit. And therefore he can't release them love to. But he can't that claim has never made any sense at all nothing about being under audit would prevent you from releasing your tax returns. But now tonight Democrats appear to be throwing the harpoon and going for this white whale from House Ways and means chair Ritchie. Neil to IRS commit. Charles reading tonight, quote, dear Commissioner reading the committee on ways, and means has oversight and legislative authority over our federal tax laws with this thirty comes responsibility to ensure that the IRS is enforcing the laws in a fair and impartial manner. Chairman Neil, then goes on to explain that the IRS is required to examine the tax returns of every president. He says his committee in congress has a duty to make sure the IRS is performing that examination. Properly quote pursuant to minority under IRS code section six one zero three f for each of the tax years twenty thirteen th through twenty eighteen I hereby request to the following return and return information number one, the federal individual income tax returns of Donald J Trump and the federal income tax returns of the following entities. And then there are eight Trump business entities listed there. Those businesses, according to the ways and means committee, quote, control, hundreds of other business entities associated with Trump. Now the. Authority that chairmen Nils referring to hear this tax code portion of the tax code that allows him to request any tax return in the country up to and including the president's that section of the tax code the authority under which he's making this demand to see Trump's taxes that section of the tax code actually, originated from a White House scandal. You remember from high school history? The name the teapot dome the teapot dome scandal. I know you remember that phrase, even though you don't remember what it was you don't need to remember every detail of the teapot dome scandal. Basically, it was a bribery scandal happened in the early nineteen twenty s but the important part for us today is that the president himself at the time was potentially implicated in that bribery scandal. And that created a problem for investigators? Because at the time only the president himself had the power to request someone's tax return. So how was congress supposed to perform proper oversight and investigation into this executive branch bribery scandal if they had no power to follow the money when it came to administration officials, including the president himself. So congress needs the ability not just the president congress needs the ability to request to see to demand to see individual tax returns up to and including the president's tax returns. There was also another impetus at the time, interestingly the guy who had just become treasury. Terry at the time of the teapot dome scandal. He happened to be very very very, very rich guy. He did not divest from his own businesses. When he joined the government as Treasury Secretary stopped me when this starts to sound familiar. Congress said at the time we have to be able to make sure that this guy is Treasury Secretary is not making tax policy or other federal policy in order to benefit his own business interests, we need to see his tax returns to and since he's the president's cabinet official. The president is going is it going to do it? There's a conflict of interest. They're both of the president himself in for anybody who wants to protect congress needs to be able to get returns as well. For for those for those reasons congress in nineteen twenty four passed a law that explicitly clearly allows the chairman of the House Ways and means committee and the chair of the Senate finance committee. Those two specific people to request and receive any Americans tax returns in order to perform congressional oversight. That law ended up coming in handy a half century later when congress needed to look at president Nixon tax returns only to discover he had failed to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. That's how we got the modern tradition of presidents and presidential candidates releasing their tax returns because of what congress bound in Nixon's taxes when they pride the loose and took a look. And now congressman Richard Neal is making this request under this nearly century old law, and he is making clear that he expects to get what he is asking for. He makes clear for instance, that this letter today is not a subpoena because he doesn't need a subpoena. Quote, chairman Neil is explicitly authorized to receive tax returns under this statute. Quote. The committee has used this provision to repulse tax returns as part of its previous investigations this provision is not obscure president Nixon president Ford. Vice president Rockefeller ole were subject to congressional inquiry of their tax returns. We'll also makes clear why he's asking for these returns. Quote, the committee is concerned about the president's compliance with federal tax laws. He's also calling the question of whether or not Trump was ever really under audit at all which has been Trump's excuse for not releasing his taxes. That was always an excuse that never made sense anyway. But of course, it's also possible that was never that. It was never even true in the first place and in. Releasing this request tonight Ritchie Neil also put out this essentially impassioned plea. That what he's doing here is not rash. And it's not playing politics, and it's not for some alterior motive that. You can't see. Interesting. He says, quote, I take the authority to make this request very seriously. And I approach it with the utmost care and respect this request is about policy. Not politics preparations were made on my own track and timeline entirely independent of other activities in congress in the administration. My actions reflect an abiding reverence for our democracy, and our institutions and are in no way based on a motion of the moment or partisanship. I trust that in this spirit, the IRS will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner. I will also just note, and this is a little bit of a sort of maybe inside the news business peak at this. But. Congressman Richard Neal of Massachusetts, chairman of ways and means having released this letter tonight having told the IRS that they need to hand over these tax returns. He is refusing all interviews on this subject, and he has been from the very beginning. Which itself is an interesting part of this dynamic here. I mean other chairs who have been going after Trump's financial information, they have made very much a public ace. And in many cases, televised case as to why they're doing what they're doing. And why in particular, they're doing the most controversial and confrontational things? They're doing when it comes to investigating overseeing, President Trump congressman Richard Neal in ways, and means is taking absolately the opposite approach. There's a reason you have not seen him on TV talking about this. But this is also got to be fraught right here. He is trying to get the tax returns of the first president in decades the first presidential candidate in decades who decided on his own not to release them under what appears to be a spurious excuse. He has vowed to fight to keep them. Secret ritchie. Neal says the IRS has never ever refused a request under this portion of the tax code to show him to show the chairman of this committee, a return that was requested under this provision. They've never before said. No. Are they going to say no specifically for Trump? And on what grounds stay with us more. Ways, and means committee is where tax law gets written. Which makes that a very powerful committee in congress ways means also has oversight and jurisdiction over tax policy and taxes in general, and one of that committee is sort of superpowers is that the chairman of that committee is empowered by law to request and receive the tax return of any person in the United States tonight. The chair of that committee in the house has announced that he is exercising that power. And he is directing the IRS to turn over to him. The last six years of president Donald Trump's tax returns and his business tax returns to joining us. Now is congresswoman Judy CHU of California. She's a member of the ways and means committee congressman thank you so much for joining us today. Really? Appreciate your time. Thank you for having me. So it's clear and chairman Neil makes clear that this is not a subpoena. But he also seems to be saying in the way that he is laying this out in his letter. And in the background information we've received from the committee. Seems to be saying that the IRS has no choice but to comply with this request that the language of the statute says they shall provide a return requested by the by the chairman in this circumstances. Is that your understanding? Oh, yes. It was a nine nineteen twenty four that it was established in the tax law in section sixty one three that that chairman of the ways and means committee had the authority to ask for the returns of any individual in this country, including the president and chairman Neil is exercising this. He is asking the IRS to provide this and never has the IRS refused. Such a request. It's always been granted. Even in the case of Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller. So it would be unprecedented not to have the IRS comply with this. The president has reacted to this news the evening by essentially suggesting that he won't. Allow his tax returns to be handed over as if he has a role that he could direct the treasury department that he could direct the IRS specifically that they should not respond to this request. What's your response to that? He doesn't have the authority to do. So the tax law allows us to ask the IRS for those returns, the IRS is an independent committee and federal agency. And so they must comply with the law, and indeed they have in every incident incidents in which these returns have been asked for so so no that the president is is not standing on the right ground on this. I might imagine. If I try to put myself in the president shoes or in the in the in the shoes of his advisors and people who might be worried about what turns up in his tax returns. I imagine that they might be worried not just about the committee seeing these materials in terms of their oversight on tax matters. They might be worried about public scrutiny, and what this would reveal about the president and his. His business life and anything else that these tax returns might speak to to that end. At the end of chairman Neal's letter today, I'm no expert on this stuff. But the way I read his letter tonight. He seemed to be suggesting that whatever the IRS gives him in response to this demand. Whether it's the president's tax returns or anything else the IRS hands over in response to this demand. Chairman Neil seems to be suggesting that those materials will become the property of your committee. And thus importantly, they can't be foyer it, no Public Citizen. No, journalistic entity can fire a file of freedom of information act request to obtain these materials that the IRS is handing over it seems to be sort of an assurance to the IRS that this material just because it's being handed over to your committee. Doesn't mean that it'll be in the public eye. That is true. And actually the information goes to chairman Neil. It is up to chairman Neil to decide whether to even share it with us. So I certainly hope to see them. But nonetheless, it is up to chairman Neil. The law is very very clear on this. And yes, you can't do a freedom of informatics information act just to get this. This is private information and to the purview of the chairmans decision congresswoman, Judy CHU, member of the ways and means committee. This is stuff that we don't doesn't usually come up in the course of a normal news decade. So it's helpful to get. Get your help walking us through the specifics. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you. All right. We've got much more to get through tonight. Stay with us. Chicago has long held the mantle of being the most corrupt major city in the United States. And you know, what there is stiff competition for that? Title. Honestly, though, Chicago is special over the past four decades more than seventeen hundred people have been convicted of public corruption in that one city what the city has convicted fathers for bribery, and then convicted their sons on the exact same charges years later, one prominent city clerk was once indicted on Ash Wednesday the ashes were fresh on his forehead when he learned he was being criminally charged more than thirty Chicago alderman. Members of the city council have been convicted of public corruption since nineteen Seventy-three more than thirty. Another one is awaiting trial right now. He's alleged among other things to have looted a charity fund for senior citizens in his ward. You would think it couldn't get much worse. But it did right before this year's mayoral election. This January scandal involving one of the most well known figures in Chicago, politics and alderman named Ed Burke who is a fifty year veteran of the city council. Fifty. He was indicted on charges that he tried to shake down. The owners of a Burger King franchise shakedown corruption isn't rare in Chicago. But when it's connected to someone as senior and someone who's as much of a permanent, fixtures Burke. Trouble one of the consequences of that was that suddenly the top candidates in the mayoral race all found themselves under scrutiny for long standing ties to Burke that ultimately led to an opening for this woman. They've been outsider. Our name is Lori Lightfoot Lightfoot is a former federal prosecutor she has never before been elected to political office much less been a part of the Chicago political machine. She won the Chicago mayor's race last night that makes her Chicago's first African American female mayor as well as the city's first openly gay mayor, and despite running as an outside our life, which is dominated in this election. She went landslide victory. She won. All fifty city council. Wards all fifty of the ward she took home seventy four percent of the vote. With this mandate for change. Going to take the next steps together. Together, we can and will finally put the interest of our people all of our people. I had of the entrance of a powerful few. Together, we can and will make Sakado a place where your zip code doesn't determine your destiny. More lightfoot. Wind comes out a really interesting time. I'm not just in Chicago. But in our country, there's a real renewed interest in US mayors right now is political leaders, right? They're making themselves heard as candidates on the democratic side of this presidential race outside of that. They're presenting themselves as models of national leadership last night. Our nation's third largest city the great city of Chicago for all its troubles. They added another very new very high profile number to those ranks. And joining us now is Lori Lightfoot mayor elect of the city of Chicago Montemayor, congratulations. It's really nice to have you here with us tonight. Thank you very much. Rachel, it's my pleasure. I have to ask if it makes you cringe as Chicago leader as Chicago resident to hear me describe Chicago in terms of its history of corruption and the challenges that that have really become legendary in Chicago in terms of public corruption. Well, as you know, Chicago is a complicated nuance place. And yes of. We have a history of corruption. But we also have a history of doing really really great things, and I'm going to be focused on that part of it. And and making sure that we make city government, much more transparent and accountable to the voters. I think that's what they voted for last night. And I intended to live her as a former prosecutor, obviously you bring law enforcement bona fee days into this race. It's a special kind of outsider to come from the law enforcement community into elected office. I wonder if that's part of your promise to your constituents in Chicago that there is something to do with law and order there's something to do with the specific order of the law and the promise of the law that holds the key to Chicago writing it self. Well, I'm a former federal prosecutor who charged convicted and sentenced corrupt city alderman, and in the context of the corruption scandal that we're now a living with I think that that was a message that resonated. With voters voters are sick and tired of the corrupt political machine. They absolutely voted for change. And I'm humbled and overwhelmed by the mandate that we receive last night. But I think it gives us an opportunity to do some things to break from the grip of that machine that we probably haven't had maybe in a lifetime as an African American woman as lesbian as an openly gay public official. You're breaking a lot of glass ceilings all at once with this election. I have to ask how you're reflecting on that today who you are on national news talking to me, but you're on an object of of national interest, and you immediately become a national leader for all sorts of different communities, and people will be looking to you not only to see what you can do. But also to appreciate how far you've come wonder what your reflections are on that on that twenty four hours after you've you've found out that you won. I'm really focused on making sure that I speak to the children in our community. They are absolutely watching. This was a very difficult and challenging campaign, and I wanna make sure that I exemplify for them, a leader of integrity, and let them know that one day they too could be the mayor of Chicago and stand on my shoulders, just as I stand on the shoulders of other trailblazers in our great city. Lori Lightfoot the newly elected mayor elect of Chicago, good luck Montemayor as you may get underway. And I should take on the challenges of the shop. I hope you'll check back in with us. Keep us apprised. We're all looking so much forward to seeing what you'll do. I definitely will. Thank you so much. All right. We'll be right back. Stay with us. This is the kind of news night when you probably ought to get a little merit badge. Just for absorbing it all keeping it all straight tonight on the eve of what are expected to be protests around the country tomorrow. The Trump is not above the law coalition planning protests all over the country tomorrow to try to pressure the administration to release the Muller report as the Trump administration heads into day thirteen since they have received millers report not released it tonight on the eve of those nationwide. Protests tomorrow, we got this New York Times exclamation point of story about the Muller report and its content. We are not used to seeing news reports that quote members of Muller's team. We're not used to seeing news reports that even a scribe anything to members of Muller's team. But that changes tonight with the New York Times saying that some of Muller's investigators have told unnamed associates that attorney general William bar failed to adequately portray the findings of. Of their inquiry, and that the findings were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. bar has publicly indicated this report in the New York Times goes on to say that Muller's investigators actually wrote their own summaries of their findings and their investigation, which the Justice department decided not to release. So instead they could release bars some Asian of their supposed- findings, which according to this report is not an accurate reflection of what molars investigators concluded and put in their report which again, he is still sitting on. So that is just a wild bunch of news tonight from the New York Times also tonight within an hour or so of that news break, we got this from the chairman of the House Ways and means committee asking the IRS for six years of tax returns from the president and a bunch of his businesses of the plain language of the law under which this requests slash demand is being made of the IRS appears to back the Democrats up on this point the statute actually says that the IRS shall provide tax returns when they are requested from the chairman of the ways and means committee and the way that chairman Ritchie Neil has requested tonight. And because more news apparently can still fit the Washington Post tonight says yes, Jared Kushner is the senior White House official a who was identified at the house oversight committee by a whistle blower who says career staffers at ruled that Kushner shouldn't get a security clearance, but a political appointee and the White House overruled those career officials that story about the White House intervening for security clearances has been gaining steam for months since NBC news first reported details of it. But now the whistle blower report. The earlier NBC new news report about Jared. Kushner's filings. Security clearance, application, those seem to be all lining up. So it's all happening all at once. And the news often requires four to two patients and hydration. But I'm hoping that someday soon we'll get marriage bed merit badges to that. Does it for us tonight? We'll see again tomorrow the show nine. We did nine eastern on MSNBC. 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Machines kenneth private let you machine. Hi say no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. For two years. They've been trying to get this information to the fbi one fbi. Asia went to what went like this to the witness. I think to the extent that there's an investigation. I think that it's being responsibly and professionally currently within the department the president suggesting that the massive hack may have been carried out by someone else not russia from the information i have. I agree with secretary. Pompeo's assessment it's certainly appears to be the russians. But i'm not going to discuss it beyond that parallel. There is a bridge too far. Even for william bar good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is tuesday december. Twenty second along with joe willie and me. We have white house reporter for the associated press. John mayer learning to get up way too early this week and washington anger for bbc. World news america. Katty kay is with us. We're going to get to the slow moving coup in just a moment but first overnight congress passed one of the largest stimulus packages in the country's history totals two point three trillion dollars and includes not only the nine hundred billion corona virus relief bill but a full government funding package as well the combined bills which include direct payments and unemployment benefits tops out at nearly fifty six hundred pages. It was only given to lawmakers to read yesterday afternoon. Due to some technical issues in the house it passed three fifty nine to fifty three fifty. Republicans voted against it in the senate. It passed ninety two to six. Two republicans missed the vote while six voted against it. Many of them citing the cost of the bill president harassing we have deficit hog. Goodness where you live shoot is that they run up the biggest deficits in us history even before covid the biggest debt in american history. We can now. They're deficit hawks white. How convenient that. Their deficit hawks again with the democrat coming into the president because the presidency because they sure as hell were tough. Said hawks who george w bush was brazil again season so their deficit hawks now and now they don't like mean tweets and they don't like it when anyone uses naughty I have some breaking news. Guys there's going to be a lot of for see over the next four years from the very people who brought us donald trump and aided and abetted the last four years. You have ron johnson. The other day saying guys. We can't give people twelve hundred dollars. This government does not write blank checks. We're not a piggy bank all of a sudden. They've found their fiscal discipline. It's extraordinary jay. Sherman's here with us. He's the senior writer at politico. Co-authors playbook also an msnbc political contributor. J good morning. So how did this come together in the final hours and why did those six republicans who voted no vote now. Well you put it well They are regaining their religion. Let's say on a debts deficits and fiscal discipline. Which i imagine will be Will sweep through the republican party over the next couple years but listen i will say this does show. I mean to the extent if we could take anything good from this. This these last eight months does show that got. The congressional leadership is still working in some way shape or form because at the end of the day. If you think about it. It's tuesday last. Tuesday was mitch. Mcconnell and nancy closys first meeting so they were able to over the course of a week. put together the second largest stimulus package in american history. Only second to the one that they've put together just before that so it's a massive package that will deliver much needed but delayed. Let's be clear delayed relief. The joe biden has termed only a down payment For what's going to happen next. Congress which will be a just really quickly though the most busiest legislative session that i think any of us can imagine with the slimmest margins in the house in the senate jake. it's very interesting. We got information last week that this was moving forward and have been following some of the key players for quite some time who've been telling we're going to get this done all while mitch. Mcconnell was sending signals that it wasn't going to get done and you look at joe mansion. Mitt romney susan collins even lindsey graham and their gene chain others Wall mcconnell was saying no no no. These moderates in the center on in the republican party and republican and democratic party. We're both saying yeah. We're going to get this done. We're going to have the votes in the end it ends up that You know the majority and minority leaders don't have a complete stranglehold on their parties. If they decide they want to move together and forge consensus. They're going to do it in the last couple of weeks. Prove that didn't it it. Did it proved that there is a center of the senate that still works like you. Just indicated and what the center was able to do better than anything. was create a menu from which the leadership was able to eventually choose. And i think that is an important thing here. They showed that there was support for a variety of proposals. That mitch mcconnell. Nancy pelosi got into a room in narrow down. So i actually think i mean despite it being very late not including everything that That anybody wants. This is a good sign. That shows that there is some functionality. Left in the institution in the post trump era. And i think in the new york times wrote this on its front page today. It does show for the first time that there is a road map for joe biden which is to create some heat in some action in the center among the people. You just mentioned joe mansion. Jeanne shaheen Some of the moderates and and functional members of both party bharti's create some sort of action. From which the leadership could then build upon then and kenny k. Let's go over those names again. We've talked about in here for a couple of weeks. You got mark. Kelly coming from arizona. Kristen cinema who may have a different image different constituency but she jove mansion vote together about ninety five percent of the time hickenlooper coming in a moderate to conservative democratic governor. You've got mitt. Romney you've got susan collins. Who seems like she has. Something approve this year. Which has she's pretty powerful and can forge consensus. If she wants to lisa murkowski who's always been very independent. Pat toomey who has struck compromises before with joe mansion on some difficult issues. I mean you've got an jeanne. Shaheen jumping in lindsey. Graham was very involved in this and again. I think they've flooded the zone. They overwhelmed their own leadership. And one thing. I noticed in these negotiations. We are time and again. I don't know it's going to be dead because there's not the state and local later. Oh no it's gonna be dead because they don't have the liability shield for the corporations and time and again these i'll we'll just call them. The solution caucus said no. No okay. Listen we'll just put those to the side. Let's talk about the aid and then we can address those other issues. They really are. I not to be too glib here. But it is a problem solvers caucus. They actually were focused on getting something done instead of just bitching about the other side and we wake up this morning and actually they got something done regardless of discouragement from the top. Yeah and the met separately. They literally went away from capitol hill to have them meeting in one of the senators house and they decided you know what we're just going to come up with the bill. We're going to come up with concepts or principles we're going to come up with legislation and present that to leadership sometimes congressional leadership doesn't love these gangs because as we have just seen they can get themselves a whole lotta power by being as you say solution oriented people that can get things done and they can. Act in a bipartisan way. We thought bipartisanship was totally out of the window in this congress. We've just had our first demonstration of it. It'll be interesting. To see two things if democrats were to win and georgia and have the slimmest of majorities do we still see some of those republicans coming over in that situation and once joe biden is president still see as many of those republicans again coming over and working with democrats does that does that caucus manage to hold because either way whether the democrats take children. They're gonna have this tiny majority that cool 'cause if it holds could have a huge amount of power as joe biden goes into a legislative session. That is going to have massive hurdles a need to do big substantial legislation of the kind of infrastructure and second stimulus abilities already talking about. There's no way you can get that done without this centrist group from the other side as well even with georgia. If for some reason. And it's highly unlikely. I still believe it's highly unlikely. Even if both of those senate seats in the special election go democratic you're sitting at fifty fifty and then you have what was described as chuck schumer's worst case scenario a month before the election and that is a fifty fifty senate where the breaking vote is not the vice president. Tiebreaking vote is joe manchin and so regardless of how this shakes. You're going to be hearing a lot of exaggeration. It's going to be the end of the world if it breaks one way or the other. No you're still going to have these ten moderate slash conservatives sitting in the center no matter who's called majority leader and they're going to be striking some compromises over the next two years if if this country is lucky at all if we actually get some legislation passed instead of just having executive order signed. It gets it's just get get through the next thirty days. Let's turn now to the ongoing trump coup. Still desperately seeking ways to overturn joe. Biden's election win. Here's how the lead in the washington post describes things quote with his baseless claims of widespread voter fraud rejected by dozens of judges and gop leaders. President trump has turned to a ragtag group of conspiracy theorists media lawyers and other political misfits in a desperate attempt to hold onto power after his election loss. The president's bid has grown more extreme as and more as his more mainstream including attorney. General william p bar have declined to endorse his increasingly radical. Plans to overturn the will of the voters. Trump's unofficial election advisory council now includes a pardoned felon adherents of the cunanan conspiracy theory a white house trade adviser and a russian agents former lover. so willy. these are a confederacy of dunces. That you would not want around your basic household appliances and certainly wouldn't want them going your shotguns on the back porch. They literally are a a rag tag group of misfits. Yeah that's putting it kindly. I think a rag tag group of misfits acumen congresswoman as mika just mentioned so cunanan officially is in the oval office sitting next to the president of the united states offering her council. You have just explained the underlying theory for those who don't understand what cunanan's underlying theories regarding cannibals and whatever else yet. The bottom line is that it believes their people in this country elites members of the media democrats mostly who are members of a satanist cabal that engages in. Pedophilia shot elected to the united states. Congress and now gets meetings with the president of the united states. Sydney powell the fringe attorney now appears to be at the right. Hand of president trump. Even that rudy giuliani on tv. Saying no she's not on our team while she's been in the white house three times in the last four days so the island is shrinking and president. Trump's bringing on whoever will join him in this final charade to overturn the election. One person who is not attorney. General william bar. He refused yesterday. Support the president in his quest to overthrow the election results that was on display yesterday at a news conference extensively to announce new charges related to the nineteen eighty-eight bombing of pan am flight one o. Three over scotland attorney. General bar knocked down a series of president. Trump's false claims and conspiracy theories he began with this comment on the hunter biden investigation. I think to the extent that There's an investigation. I think that it's being handled responsibly. and professionally Currently within the department to this point. I have not seen a reason to appoint a special counsel and i have no plan to do so before i leave. Okay so no special counsel on hunter biden then this from the attorney general on president. Trump's reported pushed to seize voting machines. High say no basis now for seizing machines by the federal government. You believe in on warrants special counsel to investigate that our. I thought a special counsel at this stage was the right tool And was appropriate. I would do. I would name one. But i haven't and i'm not going to okay. So no special counsel. They're not going to seize the voting machines and finally this on the president's claims that russia may not have been behind the massive cyberattack against the us federal agencies from the information. I have I agree with secretary pompeo's assessment. It's certainly appears to be the russians. But i'm not going to discuss it beyond that. So attorney general bar there. Jonathan lior agreeing with secretary of state pompeo and most cyber security experts that it was in fact russia something that the president has declined to say suggesting a tweet the other day that maybe it was china we should point out. Tomorrow is attorney general bars last day in office so that really was his valedictory news conference and he took all the time and took all the questions to make those points and the timing here. It's certainly not a coincidence. Willie and i think for terminal bar. There's a little bit of attempt to reshape or defend pieces of his reputation and legacy on his way out the door and attorney general of course who for most of his tenure was seen as being an extreme loyalist to the president From his first days in the job when he shaped and colored the mother report findings the most favorable way possible for president trump allowing the president to claim falsely that he had been fully exonerated. But certainly we saw here a clear break with the president on a number of subjects. One that did not go over. Well we are told in the oval office of the president of course had a heated meeting has had several heated means with bar in recent weeks. Last week accepted his resignation. And now the question is what comes next. Jeffrey rosen is the acting attorney general. And it's it's not clear how he will respond the pressure that is surely coming from the white house to appoint a special counsel About election fraud Even more impressively than the hundred biden case at least at this moment and to this point those around and say he's not inclined to do so but they don't know what will how he will respond to the demands from the oval office and the potential of course that rosen could get dismissed if the president wants to install someone else in that post but we are seeing also willie. This legal team This ragtag group of heiser. As we've been saying i mean there's divisions even within that is rudy. Giuliani suggesting that sydney powell does not speak for the president right now. But yet powell's been in the oval office three of the last four days. They can't agree on a strategy here. Certainly all their legal all of this all other legal challenges have been met with defeat and now tempting one last ditch effort this idea of that first week in january when recall congress meets to certify electoral college votes. They were trying to get garner. Both senators republicans from the gop to do the president's bidding to try to object that that's not going to work either. Joe biden is still going president-elect but it remains so very damaging to the democracy and undermining some at least in the minds of some americans the legitimacy of vines election. That's that's what's dangerous here and it is really important for georgia. Republicans to remember is as you go to vote my fellow georgia natives understand that kelly laughlin who is on the ballot right now sydney powell who is with the president of the white house every day now it seemed she says stay with me that kelley law flir was involved in a conspiracy with governor camp to illegally push off into still the election from doug collins all right so so according to the president's closest legal adviser right now kelly. Loftier shouldn't even be on the ballot. She stole the election along with brian. Count she stole the election from doug collins so since the president is working with this woman again. Just stand that that you've been cheated. They have stolen the vote from you. And you should get your retribution. By not letting somebody like kelly laughlin. Who's involved in this conspiracy theory get elected anyway. That's what sydney powell would would want. You to say sores rose and at the white house meek after bore leaves i. I can't imagine the strain. That is going to be on him. The pressure that he's going to be under when he's running the justice department is going to have to be crushing to his soul to endure that day. After my god he may even have to put up with ugly tweets for sixteen seventeen days. Really we'll see if he's man enough to be able to who've had seriously pressure you call that pressure sixteen or seventeen days in a nut house sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue. Yeah please try not to screw it up and seventeen eighteen days. You're gonna have buddy. It's not really that much pressure follow the constitutes televangelist pat robertson. Who at one time had been one of the president's most ardent supporters called the on him to face the reality that he lost the election with all his talent and the ability of a to raise money and grow loesch crowds. The president still lives in an alternate reality. He really does people say well. He lies about this but no he didn't lie to him. That's the truth. He had the biggest crowd on inauguration day he had he had more people than ever He was the most popular of people he saved. Nbc but with the friends can go down. The line of things really are true. And you know people keep pointing to them. But because they loved him so much and he was so strong evangelical evangelical with him hall away but there was something about him would was good that god placed him in the office of the time. He's done a marvelous job the economy but at the same time He is very ready and he He's fired people. He's fought people that his insulted people and keeps going down the line. So it's it's a mixed bag. And i think it would be willing to say You've had your day hand. It's time to move on that robertson. Also say the president shouldn't run and twenty twenty four saying it would be a mistake. Well willie i. I gotta say this. I say been talking about a lot of evangelical preachers. I grew up with and certainly pat. Robertson came into my grandmoms house every day. And pensacola florida the seven hundred club. We watched pat day in and day out every time i was over there. She had it on. I mean he's got a strong strong voice in the evangelical community for decades. And this is a guy who at the end several times over the several months is actually been saying the sort of thing said other evangelical preacher should be saying but are too afraid to say but they're robertson just plainly saying a body. You've served time to go stop this nonsense. Yeah i mean that's a big deal. The seven hundred club and pat robinson still has big sway over a large flock of people who watch watches show. So that was a big statement. I mean there is something to this. Katty kay watching both pat robertson and william bar and some other republicans right now sort of jesus. If you'll forgive the expression and pat robinson pat robertson's case and now suddenly standing up to the president of the united states after four years of of what we watched. I guess we'll take it at the end here. Given what the president. The united states is trying to do still assembling people to carry out some kind of a lame coup. That he's still fixated on but you have these leading. Republicans leading evangelical and the attorney general now finally at the hour standing up to president trump. Yeah we wondered how long it was going to take didn't wee willie and maybe it took this put to president trump so focused on subverting the democratic process on on undermining democracy in america for these people finally to come out and say actually this has gone too far even though they're doing it in somewhat milder language. I think as you said at the beginning we're gonna have to get used to a certain level of hypocrisy over the next few months and years from republicans who've been store defenders all of the president as bill barham pat robertson have been a now coming out and saying actually this is not okay or you know whether it's on deficits whether it's on Vaccinations i mean. You know people who had been vacs pandemic skeptics now. Suddenly wanting to jump to the front of the queue get vaccinations. I think we're gonna see a lot of that in the challenge. I guess for joe biden is how much does call out. he use that potentially What does he do about all of those republicans who had been so in lockstep with the president and now prepared to come out and be less so the only thing i would say is that as we get the as the president becomes more exclusively focused on something that nearly everybody in the republican party thinks is a wild goose chase and is out in the fringe. He is surrounded by people who are more extreme. so he's got this very small group of republicans who prepared to follow him down. People like mo brooks sidney powell who they're in the white house with him and they really are the fringe of the trump supporters in washington. And that kind of leaves. The other people like bill baugh and pat robertson with a choice to make. Do i join them. Way out there or do i say what i have to say. What is obvious. Now and it seems that pat robertson's coming around to that don't let me just say i'm good with that bread conversions when constitutional norms are on the line. I'm good with deathbed conversions. Just i'll take a look at jesus's parable of people working in the fields. I don't care if you work in the fields all day or you come late the afternoon like if you're helping the cause right now. I got a really short memory. I just said that just really upset. A lot of people audience but bill clinton once told me and yeah you're thinking yet. Joe and bill clinton talk like now. We were just at an event backstage and he was commenting on another president. He said let me tell you something. He said the best thing. Any politician can have is a short memory. Because you're always going to need their tomorrow. That's what a lot of democrats a lot of republicans. A lot of americans need remember as we move into a new era we can sit back and growls and ring our heads over the horrors of the past. Four four and a half years knock gonna do us any good moving forward not going to be doing people working class americans any good who are suffering right now e. pluribus unum we've forgotten that let's refocus on it. Now let's talk about the house and specifically house leadership because jake you guys have been looking very closely what the democrats and republicans are thinking of their own leaders in the house and the senate. Nancy pelosi will actually. Let's focus on the house. Nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy. What have you been finding as you guys have been making phone calls about the level of support. These two leaders have to continue to be speaker and minority leader. Will i think the big dynamics shift that you're going to see joe in the coming weeks and months. When joe biden takes the presidency is just a big shift of power back to capitol hill. When you have a president that's not taking up so much oxygen so to speak and what we found in the newest politico morning console polls fifty three percent of democrats want to keep pelosi as speaker and a forty eight percent of republicans would like to keep kevin. Mccarthy is house republican leader. Now listen the e we have to take these polls for what they are which is party leaders. Get up more. Get increasingly unpopular as time goes on but still this is a a useful metric to keep eye on as we get into this new congress and we get into picking leaders. Nancy pelosi is going to have to get two hundred eighteen votes on the house floor in just a couple of weeks. We expect that she's going get there but it's going to be a white knuckle experience as always is for a leader seeking the speakership so just to keep in mind as we get into this next congress with all the power shifting back to capitol hill. All right jake chairman. Thank you so much and still ahead on morning joe. Federal prosecutors say their investigation into rudy. Giuliani isn't only ongoing but that it's very active. Nbc's julia enslaved us with her latest reporting on that plus more than forty countries halted flights from the uk amid fears of a new strain of covert. Nine thousand nine hundred the. us however isn't one of them an update on that development. When morning joe restrain here we get it here just in time for the holidays. Hey kids save disease. Spread seventy percent faster Right back we get support from grubhub. I'm sure you knew about grub. 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Everyone's role on says we all these folks awful lot scientists and people who are frontline workers we own bit really get and one of the things is i think that administration deserves some credit getting us off the ground operation warp speed. I also think it's worth saying that this is great. Hope doing this to demonstrate. That people shouldn't be compared when it's available to take the vaccine. There's nothing to worry about. President elect joe biden received test. First dose of a covid nineteen vaccine yesterday and really did not even flinch question. We've seen the president-elect get it we've seen the current vice president getting it. I'm wondering as we talk if we talk about people who were key to america's economy an awful lot of people off track betting ecosystem that are waiting for you and me to get our shots because it has not been the same now. Obviously since there's been social distancing yes yes maybe we've gone in one or two times too many but at the same time. I think we should be next in line for that. Yeah i think so. I think you've got to protect that element of the american economy that frankly has carried us through this pandemic the beauty. Joe you and i were out front creating the otd app many years ago. Made for this era right now. So you don't have to be inside the betting parlor. You can play all your bets on harness racing akwa duct right there on your phone. That was great. It's you got my heart skipping a little bit right. There harness racing with dr one. Also the dogs we betting the little doggies meanwhile more than forty countries. Can we take you back with. No really no. We really need now telling you need to take you there when you take the dog track You know willie. And i We we tried to participate in much of lives rich pageant as possible. And you need you need to go along with what gets to get your vaccine. Ah i think we can get one for you because if you if you go to. Tv and dog racing with us. I i will adopt all the dogs and there will be no more dog racing. That's more than forty countries halted flights from the united kingdom amid fears of a new more infectious strain of covid nineteen circulating. Their parts of england including london were placed under a new lockdown over the weekend as prime minister. Boris johnson warned that the new corona virus strain was seventy percent more transmissible but us pulpit public. Health officials are reportedly not advising a similar ban on travelers from the seems to make sense if you want seventy percent. dr anthony. Pouching warned against quote over reacting to the situation but governors across the country are taking matters into their own hands. Washington state's governor. Jay inslee issued a proclamation yesterday calling for travelers from the uk south africa and other nations. Where the new kobes strain has been reported to quarantine for fourteen days. New york's governor. Andrew cuomo has called on the federal government to ban travel from the uk and has airlines to test travelers from the united kingdom to the state and former fda commissioner. Scott gottlieb says he doesn't think a travel ban will prevent the mutated strain from coming into the united states. Because he believes it's already here. You rent great news katty. Kay what are your holiday plans. Look like hiding with with shootings an old executive. But this has been really a tough tough on for boris johnson. A guy who early on in this process say he and his cabinet trotted out the idea of herd immunity. He'd been a skeptic for some time. Got it struggle with it. I mean mightily And seemed to find a religion a bit But still No saying he was gonna open things up for christmas than he had to shut christmas down. Now this seventy percent number Certainly having to be very jarring to the people in great britain do not mess with brits and christmas it's sort of goes dickensian over there and so people are furious. He really has very little support because the government is seen to have handled this not very well. I mean the first indications are the scientists saw this new strain back in october. And i think scott gottlieb is right. It seems to me almost impossible if it was back there in october. And we've been having flights to and from the uk and is seventy percent more transmissible. It seems really hard to imagine that it has all you need one person to bring it over on a plane right and that person to meet other people and i think we have a strong chance that over the next few weeks we might see this up in the in the us. Anyway the first version of the kurt aware navarro was so much fun that they decided to give us another one that was even more efficient and in the movie. This is going to be the twist fifteen minutes before the end where you've got the vaccine racing to get it out and then you get hit by new strand that is potentially going to overwhelm our health services for the uk. It feels kind of armageddon. I have family members who have now got stuck in different places not where they wanted to be family members who are planning to fly home this week. They've been looking off to my dad after my mom died. They can't get back home because the countries that meant to be living in have said no. You're not allowed in there's a massive amount of disruption we've got thousands of truck stuck ports because they can't get into france likewise backing up on the french side trying to get in and guess what at the same time this is our deadline for negotiating brexit deals. It's all coming together and the uk both symbolically and literally looking increasingly isolated. You're right you have to have some sympathy for boris johnson. But there are a lot of people in the uk who will say the whole way. He has handled. This has just been so chaotic so late should he have given people a chance to get out of london. He gave them twenty four hours almost to get out of london. And then you saw these massive scenes at train stations like remember when you see the scenes of people when the germans were about to invade. Paris parisians fled. That's what london look like. And of course they're all standing at train stations with no mosques on and potentially spreading this virus even further no several airlines governor cuomo announced history several airlines will test and you travel or coming from the uk into new york city. At least we'll come back to that in just a moment. Let's turn though to the investigation into president. Trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani two sources. Tell nbc news prosecutors for the southern district of new york are trying to gain access to giuliani's emails but i need approval from federal counterparts before seeking a search warrant joining us now. Nbc news correspondent. Juliet ainsley. who's on this story. So juliet good morning. What exactly would investigators be looking for in this case. How well they would be looking for. All of his electronic communications in particular has email. But it's really complicated. Really because as you point out. Not only is juliani an attorney. He's the president's attorney and so when you talk about getting information getting communications that are protected. Under attorney client privilege. Some of these would be you have to go through injustice and a lot of times they set up. What's called filter teen. These are people who have the very tedious task of reviewing communications deciding. What is protected and then they are the ones who decide what to hand over to prosecutor so that prosecutors don't see anything that could be protected under attorney client privilege. Now we've talked about giuliani. He wears many hats. Some of these communications very well could not be protected by attorney client privilege but then the added layer that he is the president's attorney and we understand that that could be a reason why some of this investigation was at least kind of went quiet for a while that you can't take overt actions and an investigation that is closely tied to a candidate and at that time the president was a candidate In the lead up to the elections at that's why we may have not heard as much about this investigation. In fact we've really hadn't heard much about what was happening in this investigation into rudy. Giuliani out of the southern district of new york. Really since last february we knew that these investigators were interested in his bank records at a lot of this stemmed from his activity in ukraine very activities. That were in the spotlight during the president's impeachment trials been now. We're hearing that. This is ramping back up to sources say it's ongoing one telling me it is quote. Very active so julia. Is this an investigation just about rudy giuliani and potentially as you say his dealings with ukraine we know that levin e gor were arrested recently. They plead not guilty. But does this reach into the president's orbit specifically or is this just about rudy giuliani. So at this point we don't know the scope and especially hard because like we said we. We haven't known about it for so long. There's a lot that investigators can come across in an investigation like this especially with someone like religiously who is involved in so many pieces of the president's life and so of course this these are headlines that we would expect in the white house to look at and not just think. Oh that's that's a ukraine thing. We put that to bed. You're talking about the communications of rudy. Giuliani also interested in those communications. He would have had with the president. And that's why that pardon trigger now. Seems like something the president may. We know he's been talking about with rudy giuliani. That's been reported And so. I think that that is even more of something that we want to be looking for now because if the president not only wanted to protect rudy giuliani but also himself knowing that some of his communications could be seen by investigators. That pardon is in his back pocket and because federal investigation the president does have the power and all he would need is pardon to put this entire investigation to bed. And as we know it's ramping up and it takes a lot for prosecutors to even get to the step that we're talking about really which means they have to have a lot of information before they go seeking a search warrant julia. John's lemaire wanted to follow up on that exact threat. Is there have been any two quick questions for you is any indication that there's any sort of state probe state level probes into giuliani therefore The pardon would not apply and of course as we've been discussing terminal bars about to head out the door to be replaced by this acting attorney. General jeffrey rosen. Do you have any sense as to where he stands on this as he'd been briefed z. Involved at all on this investigation into guiliani. Well i'll say i have no indications that there are state level investigations at least from my reporting. And then when you talk about jeffrey rosen. I think that's a great question. We know that he is involved in so far as the deputy in the number two at the justice department is an above the criminal division. He sees everything that has been criminally investigated throughout the justice department. You could imagine that something. This high profile would have crosses desk just like many of the other high profile politically involved investigations during his tenure but his role won't be key because main justice has such a more important role in an investigation. Like this where we talk about that filter team attorney client privilege and we talk about investigating someone this close to the president. Meeting just has a bigger role than the usually wet and other southern district or other investigations. Sometimes we call it the sovereign district of new york because they can do so much on their own. When this case may justice does play a key role. It's not clear what direction rosen may take. But he would have the ability to put a block on things like a search warrant but as we understand. Now it's ramping up. And i do not have any indications that he himself is putting his thumb on the scale but of course. That's that's the next thing to watch for as well as pardon you can read the full peace at nbc news dot com nbc's. Julia ainsley. Thank you so much for your reporting as always deceive. Mika coming up with less than a month left in donald trump's presidency our next guest says he still at the center of those georgiev runoff elections that will determine control of the senate. We'll dig into that reporting next on morning. Joe we get support from net sweet. 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Everything is at stake when it comes to the need to elect reverend rafael warna to elect jon ossoff to elect daniel blackman. Everything is at stake. Everything that was at stake in november is at stake leading up to january fifth vice president-elect kamla harris campaigning in georgia. Yesterday for the to democratic candidates in the senate runoff elections now two weeks from today joining us now national correspondent for new york magazine. Gabriel de benedetti. Whose deep dive into the georgia races for the magazine's latest issue is entitled. The devil's went down to georgia in which gay rights quote in the newest swing state. All of the senate run off. Candidates are relying on trump for one last turn out extravaganza. Are they going to get it. Gave well. it certainly looks like the turnout is off the charts. Compared to what we've seen the previous runoffs at least it's not yet clear. It's going to match exactly what we got india general election but so far. This is good news really for everyone involved. The democrats feel pretty good about the fact that there is so much interest in this race remains to be seen of course whether this is going to drop off a little bit over the holidays but you see it there in what vice president-elect kamala harris said yesterday in in the state the stakes are enormous in this race and that's lost on absolutely no one. There was some time there where everyone in. The state was a little bit worried that there was going to be an attention. Drop off but you know. Basically after a few days after the after the general election in november they're picked right back up. And i gotta tell you. It is completely overwhelming on the ground there. It is inescapable. This race is just a fact of life for every single person in georgia right now. Gabe at the center of the conflict here for republicans is the fact that president trump and by the way the two senators running for reelection said the previous election was rigged despite the fact that the vote has been counted three times and yet they're asking republicans to go out and vote again. So how are kelly. Leffler and david purdue walking that line of being seen as siding with president trump they don't want to alienate his voters. But also getting people out there to vote. I'd say this is the central conflict that they're trying to deal with every single day. They're two answers to this one. Is they dodged questions about it. They're not willing to deal with the actual substance of the question. But to what they say is they try to be when they are cornered on this essentially told the trump line and say well. We still have to investigate. The president is right to legal recourse. But you know what's really important. Is this right here right now and you saw it when the president himself actually went down to georgia him you know. When he took the stage in valdosta he essentially said he got to make sure that you vote for doing leffler to make sure the communists don't win. That's how i the democratic candidates but then he spent the rest of the time essentially you know talking about how the last race in his words was ring so clearly this is a massive concern for the republicans but the way that they're trying to just bulldoze through it is essentially saying we can't let these democrats win. We can't have socialist control of washington. Which of course is a scare tactic right from the trump You know trump. It gave jonathan amir picking up on that point. The president is expected to come back to georgia in week. Or so what are you talking. What are you talking to republicans there. Is there any anxiety that he'll contain these attacks on the republican georgia the carpeting governor of georgia the republican secretary state of georgia. And you open by saying that the enthusiasm is has been off the charts. So are you seeing. Have their fears to this point but unfounded that that trump's claims a rigged election might sort of persuade them some republicans and georgia and say well. My vote doesn't matter. I won't even bother you feeling like maybe somewhere embracing the thought that it's rigged but they're still gonna out in the first week of january so far. What we've seen is a lot of what you just talked about. A lot of people say this is rick but we still gotta get out there to support trump. And that's certainly the point that the republicans are trying to make however it is really complicated for a lot of these folks especially for kelly. Leffler one of the candidates here who was appointed by brian campaign. Who are career to him. And you know when you have president trump going after camp such strong terms that makes very difficult for. But it's an important thing here to knows that we're really talking about race. It's going to be won or lost on the margins. So that's why everybody on. Both sides is trying to make sure that we essentially have a hundred percent turnout on both sides because this is going to be so close if you look at how georgia went in november. It was the closest race in the country. Were likely to see a pretty close race. Once again of no one's really sure what that's going to look like. So that's why you have president trump coming back and that's why the republicans are welcoming him back. Essentially saying we're just gonna have to use every single tool in our arsenal to make sure that every republican in the state turns out democrats. Say come on back. you know. He motivates voters to all right. We'll be reading the new reporting and new york magazine. Gabriel de benedetti. 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Barr record of deception for Bush calls credibility into question

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Barr record of deception for Bush calls credibility into question

"The way matters show. We at nine eastern on MSNBC happy, Tuesday, the Republican party Pearl pulled off a rare electoral feet in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight when they were able to elect a president from their own party. After Ronald Reagan had just served his two terms as well. Usually voters are in the mood to turf out the party in power after a president from one party has has been in there for a couple of terms, but in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight the Republicans beat those odds Republican president Ronald Reagan had served for two terms. He was succeeded in office by his Republican vice president by George H W Bush was elected in one thousand nine hundred eight he was sworn in in January nineteen eighty nine. And although both those presidents both President Bush and President Reagan will certainly have their place in the history books. The transition wasn't as easy as you might expect the elevations from vice President Bush to President Bush was a little bit rocky in his first year especially early on in his first year. He suffered in comparison with President Reagan in particular when it came to his instincts around public communication and his handling of the presque to take for example, this moment just a few months after poppy Bush became president. This is may nine thousand nine hundred nine he'd been sworn in January of that year in may nineteen nine president, George H W Bush decided to make a very controversial very provocative, very bold public statement on foreign policy, but he did it in the most awkward inexplicable way possible. Which is exactly how the press reported it. His aides said the situation in Panama was relatively quiet today and required. No comment from the president. But Mr Bush had a nagging feeling that he had not made his views on Panama clear that the Panamanian people did not realize how much he hopes they will rise up against general Noriega, so on Air Force One Bush spoke out. Everything they can to have the will of the people respect the only he'd international calls. They ordered this new everything they can to get Mr. Noriega out there. A Bush worried that he might inflame the situation on second thought when he urged the Panamanian people to be cautious. How did no words of cautioned? The will of the people should be implemented. Look that I'm not about to get into proposing three point action plan for the people of Panama museum. I do. I do think it's important that it not meet the United States. The colossus of the north coming down there to try to dictate to the people of Panama. It's such a weird rollout of this position from the president. Right. His aides tell the press, you know, nothing's going on there's nothing in particular that is driving. This. The president was just doing this other thing was totally unrelated. And he had a nagging feeling. He had a feeling that. Maybe people weren't totally clear on how much he wants there to be a coup in Panama. So on air force what he hopes there's a coup. He doesn't want the United States to be dictating what should happen. But he does want there to be a coup. And so he wants to summit all the reporters on Air Force, One apropos nothing for him to remind them how much he thinks that country should oversee overthrow it's leadership. Not that he thinks the United States should be dictating. What happens there? What? Given that initially awkward rollout that day in may nineteen eighty nine the new president decided that he would give the whole thing another shot the following day. But again, it was sort of one shot forward to shots back. Administration says it hopes the Panamanian defense force will follow President Bush's plea to rise up against Noriega at a political fundraiser last night in Kentucky, Mr Bush said he would act as much as possible in concert with other countries, we do not want to return to the days of the imperialistic gringos of the north. We're not here to be the imperialistic gringos. We don't wanna be the colossus of the north. We don't wanna tell any country. What ought to happen in their country except in Panama, you guys need to have a coup. That was may nineteen eighty nine the early awkward days of the George H W Bush presidency by October of that same year, October nineteen Eighty-nine though, in fact, Panama had a coup at least they had an attempted coup. It did not go. Well. Animal's general Noriega in control then and still in control now evening, Panama general, Manuel Noriega is alive and well tonight still in power after rebel tubes. Tried to overthrow him in a day of heavy fighting the shrewd and durable. Military strongman appeared tonight on Panamanian television and condemn the uprising in the capital, Panama City, forces loyal to Noriego are in control NBC's, Brian Ross has been following all this Washington and tonight, Brian ultimately, it was Noriega's forces who won the day has talent. Eric and authorities say Noriega is much more powerful tonight after having so easily put down this morning's attack White House. Aides say they've known for a couple of days there could be an attempted coup. But that the president knew for certain only after gunfire erupted in Panama City, President Bush learned the fighting just before he welcomed Mexico's president. Silliness during the ceremonies. Bush seemed distracted not only was Bush worried about the coups chances of success. He also worried that Latin Americans would accuse the US of throwing its weight around in a tiny Lapin country. Bush later went out of his way to deny US involvement. Rumor Karan some American operation, I can tell you that is not true, although Bush denied involvement in the past he has urged Panamanians, especially the military to rise up against Noriega for love to see him. Get him out. We'd like to see him out of there is age. Do not believe that. Today's failure is George Bush's bay of pigs the Cuban invasion fiasco that haunted. John kennedy. The bay of pigs wasn't American operation. Today's attempted coup was not according to Bush's aides say that although he urged a revolt he never promised to help anytime. They're saying now, they don't think this is his bay of pigs anytime you. You have to reference that. Those reports are from October third that was the day of that failed attempted coup in Panama within a few days. This just continued to escalate and escalate and escalate domestically here until it became a full-scale political disaster for the relatively young George Hw Bush White House. Good evening. President Bush and his advisers are under fire tonight charged with fumbling a chance to get rid of general Manuel Noriega during Tuesday's attempted coup. President Bush took the unusual step of going to the democratic leader of the senate's office to assure George Mitchell that George Bush did not wimp out in the middle of the coup attempt later NBC's Andrea Mitchell asked Bush, if you got bad intelligence from his advisors. No, I do not think so at all. And and I don't think anybody up here thing, though, President Bush knew he was in trouble. When he read his morning newspapers caught off guard. Aides admit bad handling. Tragedy. Inexperience helped doom coup that is how that unfolded over the first week in October nineteen Eighty-nine George H W Bush's first year in office. Here's this new US president who had been encouraging a coup in this foreign country in Panama for months awkwardly, encouraging it having nagging doubts about whether he's been courage encouraging it enough right insisting on it at times. But still saying I don't wanna be telling you what to do except that you should have a when the coup finally comes to pass the coup fails, the US president appears to have not really known what he was talking about when he was begging publicly for that coup to happen, pledging there'd be all this support that never arrived. And then a week later. It's interesting that whole story, which was very very bad news for this new presidency that whole story took a turn it happened on Friday the thirteenth October thirteenth nineteen Eighty-nine. Just exactly a week after that day of terrible headlines for president George H W Bush about him screwing up. It came to that in Panama, but Tober thirteenth one week later that was black Friday that was the day. The stock market had a huge crash in one thousand nine hundred nine one of the biggest crashes of the decade, but even alongside that huge crash. The new twist in the Panama crisis made news that night to in a huge big new way. Because of this scoop on the front page of the L A times. F B I gets okay. For overseas arrests. That's the one headline in the LA times. This is the sub head Justice Department's decision which allows US law officers to act without the consent of foreign states. Could bring could apply to efforts to bring Panama's manual Noriega to trial in Florida. So even with the huge devastating stock market crash that black Friday October thirteenth nineteen Eighty-nine. There's also that weird scoop in the LA times which puts the disastrous Panama story back on the nightly news that same night. And again, yet another sort of almost ridiculously inept comment from the new president to punctuate it because every time something comes up in this story. He just seems to stick his foot in it. The FBI tonight has broad new powers to arrest American fugitives overseas. The Justice department says permission is not needed from foreign countries. However secretary of state James Baker said this new procedure will not be used without a full discussion of the obvious foreign policy implications. Just me. By going into a rescue Jedid foreign country L. Now this reverse artistry policy. Let up. No. Do that since he's at the independent now, I'm Barish this. I don't know what it is. You're I'll have to get back to you with the answer to your question. Marlin take care. I don't know. What it I'm not seeing the LA times reports on just have to not come in until I do. Arlen martin. We do we get the LA times here. What is this? I mean here is this new president on shaky ground who's had a really big foreign policy national security crisis in his first six months in office. Right. He has been ineffectually noncommittally sabre-rattling for months about how he wants there to be a coup in Panama. He wants the the wants the leader there to be overthrown. The US will be there if the Panamanian people if the Panamanian military just rise up and topple the leader, the US will be there for them after months of saying that and then not following through including when they tried it. I mean, this was a shocking turn in that story. Right. Here's the president's Justice department saying, well, here's a plan b if the whole coup thing doesn't work out because we can't quite get that together. Well, then here's plan b here's something we believe we can do we're going to proclaim under the law. We can do it U S law enforcement personnel US FBI agents, we're going to declare that they legally can just go into any other country anywhere in the world and arrest the leader of that country of the US wants to therefore you really need a coup. Well does have. The FBI do your coup for ya. Anywhere. That was the LA times. The scoop that October Justice department acting with unusual secrecy has given the FBI legal authority to apprehend fugitives from US law in foreign countries and return them to the United States without first obtaining, the foreign states consent. The rule could apply to such cases as the US effort to bring Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega to trial, quote department officials refused to discuss the broad new grant of power the legal grounds used to justify it or even to acknowledge its existence. The times noted that the refusal by Justice department officials to discuss the ruling was puzzling at a legal level because the ruling wasn't classified. It quote does not carry a security classification. So why wouldn't they discuss it? Why wouldn't they even admit that it existed? I mean the times knew it existed the LA times was able to figure out both the title of that memo and its author its author, then assistant attorney general William P bar. Yeah. That guy. Same William P bar was the newly appointed attorney general of the United States under President Trump when he was assistant attorney general under George H W Bush when he was running the office of legal counsel at the Justice department. He wrote, and then tried to keep secret a very controversial legal opinion on this very controversial issue. I mean, the brand new poppy Bush administration was contending with wave after wave of controversy and drama over this whole issue of Panama. This was one of the big waves and not controversy a legal opinion, which came to light a week after this failed coup. Right. A legal opinion. They were trying to keep secret which seemed to imply that the US nail believed the FBI could send in its agents to remove a foreign leader from power anywhere in the world on our own government's own say, so without consulting any foreign government about the fact that they were going to do this. I mean, it was one thing for the president to be calling for uprisings in other countries promising support for those uprising and then not delay. Dering was another thing for him to be saying that the uprising from here on out wouldn't be needed. Because we just do it ourselves with our law enforcement guys. Congress unsurprisingly was concerned. They convened a hearing that was titled FBI authority to seize suspects abroad, William P bar the author of that reported memo was summoned to testify who's asked to congress. He was asked by congress to hand over this legal memo that he'd authored which reportedly justified this kind of radical action that nobody had ever heard of before William P bar did show up for his congressional testimony. But he refused to hand over the opinion that he had written that led to him being summoned to testify in the first place is from the transcript of that hearing this debare, quote, although the content of the opinion like other advice rendered by the office of legal counsel. Must remain confidential. I'm happy to share with the committee are legal reasoning and our conclusions before turning to these legal issues. I think it's important that the committee understand and then he gets interrupted congressman John Edwards. The committee chairman interrupts Mr. bar may I interrupt. Why? Why does the opinion have to remain confidential? Is this a change in policy? We have a copy of other non-classified opinions. This is not a classified document mR Barr. Says excuse me, he says Mr. bar. Why are you withholding it from this committee? Bar then insisted it was the policy of the Justice department. That opinions like this must remain confidential. It does not appear at all to have been the broad-based policy of the Justice department that such documents would remain confidential. But nevertheless, he insisted that was the policy that he was fault following the committee, chairman knew that he was asserting a confidentiality policy that didn't really exist, and he pushed it on committee chairman pushed him he said, quote, I understand that Mr. bar, but this is public business the subject of much discussion in the United States. You are going to have to tell the public and the congress sometime why you change the rules on this arresting of fugitive overseas William response. That's what I'm here doing. We have no objection to explaining our conclusions, and our reasoning to the committee. I'm just not going to give you the document. Explain it to you describe what's in it. So here's congress saying this is a matter of intense public interest. This is the biggest scandal for this new president, right? There is reportedly document within the Justice department that is very relevant to our understanding of the conduct of this administration is directly on point for matter of huge public controversy and political importance in geopolitical importance that directly affects the behavior of the president of the United States, which has not been stellar on. This point you have to show us, this document that has been reported in the press that has been described your now admitting that this document exists show us the documents. Well, the embar says I don't want to show you the document. But trust me, I will describe it to you. He actually says at the hearing these are his words at that hearing in one thousand nine hundred nine he says that instead of handing over the actual opinion itself. He will quote summarize, the principal conclusions of the opinion summarize. Its principal conclusions. Where have I heard that before? Law. Professor Ryan Goodman is a former special counsel that fence department road up this historical account this week now that the same William Barr. This exact same guy is handling the report from special counsel, Robert Muller in exactly the same way, refusing to hand over the document hits self and instead he's providing what he described with exactly. The same words his summary of principal conclusions. Right that summary of principal conclusions is all we've got this far from bar. It's going to be followed Thursday morning this week by some sort of redacted censored version of Muller's report it's been twenty five days since Muller handed his report into William bar, a matter of intense public interest intense investigatory interest when it comes to this president and his administration in this campaign. We still only have William bar so-called summary of that documents principal conclusions. We still don't know what we're gonna get in terms of redacted version of Muller's report from bar on Thursday morning. But you know, thanks to history. We do know what happened. The last time William bar asked the country and ask congress to trust him to trust his summary of principal conclusions while he simultaneously refused to release the underlying document itself. That is what he is doing with the mullahs report right now that is exactly the same thing. He did using exactly the same language in one thousand nine hundred nine with his super controversial legal opinion. That said the FBI could go into any country in the world and arrest any foreign leader and bring them back to the United States took a while for it finally to come out, but within a couple of years of that stonewalling testimony from William bar at the height of the Panama controversy in one thousand nine hundred nine within a couple of years, the underlying document that gave rise to all that scandal that he said couldn't be released within a couple of years that document did finally get released in full congress subpoenaed it the Washington Post reporter, Michael Isikoff got his hands on it. Ultimately in the. Early years of the Clinton administration that legal opinion that Barr had refused to release said he would only describe it. It was just finally publicly printed and unredacted for him. Because of that because we can now see that we now know for the sake of informing our good judgment today and this week when it comes to William bar, we now know that the last time he tried to get away with something like this in one thousand nine hundred nine William bars summary of that documents principal conclusions bore no relation at all to what was actually in the underlying document. As Ryan Goodman, puts it this week, quote, when the opinion the real opinion was finally made public. It was clear that bars summary had failed to disclose the opinions principal conclusions bar so-called summary, quote, omitted, some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. And there was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from congress or the public Justice. An example, just as an example of the distance between what bar said in his summary, and what was actually in this document that he was purportedly summarizing. What he assured congress in his summary was that the actual opinion this controversial document that the LA times had scooped Amman right that they've learned existed. He said that the opinion was quote strictly a legal analysis of the FBI's authority as a matter of domestic law to conduct extraterritorial arrests is strictly about domestic law. Trust me, not gonna show you the opinion. I've decided I cannot show you this opinion. But this is my summary of what's in it. And I'm telling you, it's strictly an analysis as a matter of domestic law strictly. Then alternately we get the underlying document that he was refusing to release and just I mean, you don't wanna go through all of it. Just look at the subheadings in it. The effect of customary international law on the FBI's. Extraterritorial powers. Also, the president's constitutional power to authorize actions inconsistent with customary international law. Also the status of the UN charter than other unexecuted treaties and treaty provisions, my favorite subsection, f international and foreign law in the fourth amendment. I mean, whether or not it's a good thing or about thing that the Justice department at one point held that the FBI could go arrest foreign leaders anywhere in the world. When it came to time for William P bar to explain that to congress to explain to congress, and the public what was in that document. He said strictly on domestic this was strictly on domestic law. This is strictly only about US law. The whole thing actually turned out to be about international law at least all of the controversial and incendiary and inflammatory parts of it were, but he left all of those out in his summary. That's the last time. William Pibor tried to issue a summary of principal conclusions to congress and the public instead of handing over an actual document. And that previous experience in US history with William P bar is part of the reason there are so many red flags flying everywhere about him refusing to release the Mola report in full to congress about him writing his own summaries of what he says is in the Miller report instead of releasing the summaries that Muller's team wrote themselves about their own report. It's also the reason I think why they are just generally low expectations for whatever it is is going to be released from bars office Thursday morning this week as he has been involved in supervising this vague and ever-shifting redaction process that it appears to have invented on the spot. Once he received the Mola report and got a look at what was in it. So we're going to speak with Ryan Goodman in just a moment about the implications of William people are past behavior here, and what that tells us about what we're about to experience. But the fact that there are such low expectations for what's going to be released on Thursday morning. I think also puts the spotlight onto other prospects here, which may yet be influencing how attorney general William bar is heading into what he's going to do in two days. Number one. There's the question of Muller. There's the question of whether or not Robert Muller himself will be allowed to testify to congress about what his findings were separate and apart. From whatever written document is released to congress and the public will Muller be allowed to testify to explain what his findings were. It's very interesting over these last couple of weeks. Unexpected development House Republicans surprisingly have been on the same side as House Democrats on the issue of molar testifying both the top Republican on the intelligence committee, Devon Nunez, and the top Republican on the judiciary committee. Doug collins. They have both said since Muller submitted his report twenty five days ago that Miller himself should be called to testify in congress about the results of his investigation and his findings. So that will mean both the democratic chairman and the Republican ranking members of both of those key committees have said they want Muller testifying in congress. Could that help? If this goes badly on Thursday morning, which I think everybody is expecting it to in terms of what is cut out of Muller's findings could testimony from Muller meaningfully fix that. Could it meaningfully assuage concerns in the country about what bar has cut out of Muller's written findings if Moller's allowed to testify on his own terms as to what he found? That's one. Then there's also the judicial process, and this has not had nearly as much attention. But we know that the judiciary committee is going to subpoena the full document after they see what's been redacted out of it. But there's another way that judicial proceedings matter here, not just in terms of what congress might be able to get through the courts using the subpoena process. There's another way in which the judiciary here might matter today. There was a hearing on a foia lawsuit of freedom of information act lawsuit by BuzzFeed, news, number of media entities. And I are seeking to release the full unredacted report today and a hearing on one of these foyer emotions a federal judge, George W Bush appointee named judge Reggie Walton. He suggested in open court today that whatever William Barbara Dax Muller's report that may be subject to his review as a judge who's considering these foia requests that judge today suggested in court that he personally made need to look at the entire unredacted Miller report himself. Off to decide if bars reductions from that report are proper under the freedom of information act, or if those things that bars redacting from that report ought to be released to the public too. That's important. Right. That's important. Not only for what might happen down the line in terms of those foia lawsuits. It's important in terms of what William bar might do next because the bottom line here is that William bar got caught once before not telling the truth about an underlying document that he said couldn't be released he purported to summarize it he put out a purported summary that did not at all match that document that he tried to keep secret. Well, the Muller report may never be kept secret in the long run either. There are multiple paths by which the full unredacted Muller report may ultimately see the light of day some of them controlled by congress some of them controlled by the judiciary, some controlled by unforeseen factors that we don't know how US history is going to wrap around in the future. But if bar is going to try this week to get away with selling some version of Muller's findings. That is not a truthful Representative renovate truthful representation of what Muller actually found. He will likely be caught for that. Just like he was before that is what history tells us, and that has to loom that hasta loom over what he is planning on shoveling us on Thursday morning. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by g k. For years, we have relied on anti-biotics. But what happens if they stop working and a once treatable infection could be fatal at GS K. We're one of the few companies continuing to invest in a new generation of antibiotics through our own dedicated team and by working with other scientists because antibody resistance isn't a problem of the future. It's already here. After being handed. The report on the investigation by special counsel, Robert Muller, twenty five days ago. Newly appointed attorney general Bill Barr told the country that while he really really really wanted to be asked transparent as possible he could not possibly release Muller's report to the public or to congress, nor could he release even the summaries of Muller's findings that Muller's team reportedly wrote themselves specifically, so they could be released to the public. No, he couldn't release those at all William bark, not let any of that see the light of day. Instead, he would be more than happy to release his own summary of the principal conclusions of Muller's investigation this principle conclusions we now know amounted to everything's fine. The president is very cool everybody, go home. We're now learning that this is not the first time William bar has resorted to that trick in one thousand nine hundred nine he drafted a really really really controversial memo when he was the head of the office of legal counsel at the Justice department when word leaked about that document and congress demanded to see it bar said, no insisted that even though the document wasn't classified. It was just very important that they not see that document. Instead he offered to you guessed. It summarize the principal conclusions of the document trust him. You don't need to see the real thing. He'll just tell you. What's in it? As law professor and former defense department special counsel, Ryan Goodman writes this week at just security, quote, when the oil c- opinion was finally made public long after bar left office. It was clear that bar summary had failed to fully disclose the opinions principal conclusions. It omitted some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. There was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from congress or the public. Joining us now is NYU law. Professor ryan. Good man, he did service special counsel to the defense department during the Obama administration. He's now co editor in chief at just security, professor Goodman. Thanks for being here. Thank you. So I'm working off your work here. I didn't know this story about this. Oh, all see memo until you wrote about it. But I was fascinated to get back into that history. Let me just I ask you if I screwed any that up and telling that story, you think you lead political context extremely wheels to so one of the things that we learn from you resurfacing this story from reason history is that William bars been doing this for a long time. And that he is. I mean, we knew he was an experience Washington official. This tells us something specifically about his experience. But it also raises the question as to whether or not he might ultimately feel constrained in putting out a summarized or redacted version of a document if he knows that the ultimate document, the original document is ultimately going to come out. How did you come away feeling about that looking at this issue? So I think that's one of the most important insights from the. History is that when he is withholding from congress. I e tries to withhold the opinion. Then he says, I'll give you my summary of it. He must know that eventually it will come out. So what's most worrisome is that he must know that it will tarnish his reputation when the opinion finally does see the light of day. But I think he has a mission and the mission is to protect the White House and protect the president. So he knows by the time that this opinion might come out and he guessed right or he strategized correctly. It's three years later. The whole political issue has changed and it's a new administration. So he's moved on out of that job. He's moved on to other jobs, and it's small enough issue in its history that it doesn't end up tarring for life. If anything might even think that it proves himself, it proves himself to another administration the Trump administration. This could be your guy like he can do this kind of work for you. Because he's willing to put himself on the line. And he's this is pretty artful. What he did it's strategic deception, and I would think that if they knew about this history where there's every reason to think that they might have in digging up his history and under. Standing him. This would be the person for them. Does it? How does it factor into that sort of calculus that sort of strategic deception the prospect that Robert Muller might testify? This doesn't have a lot of attention. But I have been surprised over the last couple of weeks to see the top Republicans on key committees, including intelligence and judiciary come out and say that they to want Robert Muller to testify about his findings not just bar testifying about molars findings, but Moeller himself. I wonder just big picture if you think that Muller's testimony might be a way of correcting for any distorting reductions or over ambitious reductions that bar tries to get away with I do think. So I think that there couple of checks this time around that won't repeat history. So there is Muller in the background. And maybe he testifies there's also the Muller team. So we already know from the New York Times reporting in the Washington Post reporting that the mother team was very dissatisfied with they went over thrusts for the first time. Yeah. For the first time in all of this period of there'd been incredibly, quiet. So that's another. Other kind of check that they might go to the press is whistle blowers. Essentially, if our misrepresents their work, which he seems to have already done, and he does it even worse on Thursday. Then I think that's a second check. And then the third check is that the House Judiciary committee has already authorized the chair to subpoena the full report and back in one thousand nine hundred nine believe it or not a takes congress Twenty-one months before they subpoena the full report. So this time around I think Barbie's things about the calculation. He might actually think this report could become public within a matter of months. Exactly. And even though it took a long time in eighty nine for congress to issue that subpoena once they did they got it quickly in this case, he knows that congress has gone issue that subpoena right away maybe on Thursday. And so it may happen fast. Exactly one week in nineteen eighty nine after they've finally issued this thank you for digging up this piece of history. I mean, I know that it was a little bit hiding in plain sight when she went to go look for it. But I never would have known about this point in bars history. And it does feel like an incredibly uncannily spot on. Precedent for what we're going through. Thanks. Thank you have you here. Ryan Goodman is the co editor in chief adjusts security dot org, which is where you can read this piece that he's written about the bizarre Noriega memo. I was also a former special counsels defense department during the Obama administration. We'll be right back. There was the time. He got mad about the size of his rally not the reported size of his rally, but the size of his rally. There was the time. He told the attorney general that he was an idiot. There was the time. He cursed out the Senate majority leader over the phone, the berating with a profane shouting match reporting. There was the time he your -rupt. It Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer that one happened on live TV and gave rise to some amazing photos. It is a feature a regular feature of this presidency that the president gets. It is such a thing that the president literally has had to say, quote, I don't have temper tantrums. He said that in the middle of a big public rent about his border wall, which kind of seems like a tantrum even in that moment. Here's another one though in December twenty seventeen there were multiple reports that the president's biggest lender Deutsche Bank had received a subpoena from Robert Muller in the Russia investigation. Deutsche Bank, of course, has loan President Trump billions of dollars over the years when other financial institutions wouldn't loan him so much as their pocket lint. Why have they done that? I mean, the Bank was also involved in the multibillion dollar Russian money laundering scheme. Are those things connected. It was not a total surprise that. Robert Muller might wanna peek inside the Trump files at Deutsche Bank, nevertheless, months later, we learned that those published reports that Deutsche Bank had received subpoenas from Muller's investigation. We learned that those reports sent. Trump into one of his more over the top destructive impressive freak outs. The president was reportedly. So hopping mad over the nerve of Robert Muller to subpoena Deutsche Bank that he reacted to that news by trying to fire special counsel, Robert Muller that was the reporting quote, angry president sought to fire Muller over deutchebanks subpoenas. Now weirdly at the time, it was not totally clear that Muller actually had subpoena Deutsche Bank, the president's personal lawyer said he checked it out with the Bank and found that no such subpoenas existed. Okay. We don't know sort of an open question, given the reporting. Maybe that was right. I mean, maybe it was a false alarm for the president the house intelligence chairman, Adam Schiff has repeatedly publicly questioned whether the special counsel's investigation ever peaked into the president's finances at all suggesting in fact that they haven't I don't know why Adam Schiff is saying that, but he's been saying that for months, he's probably in a position to know as the chairman of the intelligence committee. I mean, we also don't know for sure what what happened to the subpoenas that Deutsche Bank reportedly got that that made the president so mad did they definitely get them. What happened to the once? They were issued. Why did the president reacted the way? He I mean, maybe we'll find out on Thursday when the attorney general releases some redacted version of Robert Muller's report, but two days before that report comes out, we do know as of today that Deutsche Bank definitely has been subpoenaed now for sure late yesterday Democrats in the house issued friendly, but formal subpoenas to Deutsche Bank demanding the president's financial records. Exactly the same territory of those reported subpoenas that drove the president to rage out and try to fire Robert Muller along time ago. The New York Times is reporting that Democrats have not just subpoenaed deutchebanks. They've also asked for documents from J P Morgan Chase Bank of America. And also sitting group documents regarding quote, possible money laundry. By people in Russia and eastern Europe. These new subpoenas from Democrats in congress follow one for financial records that were sent to the president's accounting firm, and the House Ways and means committee, directing the IRS to hand over the president's tax returns in accordance with the law, which says the IRS has to hand them over the president has now hired a brand new failings of lawyers whose only job seems to be to keep the president's tax returns and financial records away from scrutiny to keep them secret from everybody who has a right to see them the president's business. Trump organization is also reportedly considering ways to try to block Deutsche Bank from complying with the subpoenas and forking over Trump's files. So the president's Bank, the president accounting firm, the president's taxes, it's all happening at once. I know the Muller report Thursday morning, but all of this stuff separate and apart from Muller's investigation. It's all now happening. Congress wants all of those records now and his acting to get them. The last time we got anywhere close to this. The president got so mad. He tried to fire Robert Mueller with no rubber Muller left to fire anymore. What is the president going to do to stop this? Now that thought. Joining us now is Greg Farrell investigative reporter for Bloomberg news, Mr. Phelps great to have you with us here tonight. Thanks for coming. So the last time we spoke the president was reportedly freaking out over the special counsel reportedly having issued a subpoena to join your Bank about their relationship with President Trump. We then learned months later that the president considered that to be a red line. He blew his top. It led him to try to fire the special counsel now after all of that experience. Now, we're in a situation where undisputedly there are definitely subpoenas to Georgia Bank and a bunch of banks their congressional subpoenas. So a couple of questions for you just as an experience reporter on these matters first of all a subpoena from congress does it have any less force or any more force for these banks than a grand jury subpoena. Would know it has the full force in banks want this where you mentioned friendly subpoenas before friendly, and so far is this now makes it easy for Deutsche Bank to respond. It was very difficult when congresswoman Maxine Waters asked for it two years ago, she didn't have subpoena power. So you know, they might have been some public interest in it. But to the Bank secrecy act prevented Georgia Bank from doing anything along those lines so subpoena power, you know, give congresswoman waters Schiff, you know, the chance to, you know, the power to command this into what your Bank has full defense that you know. They're allowed to turn this over. So I don't think the president's lawyers are going to have much of a chance if they're going to try to fight this so Alan garden, who's a lawyer at the Trump organization. The president's business has said that he is exploring options to try to block Deutsche Bank from responding to the subpoena. Are there any options? I mean, it's sort of seems like this is this is a cul de sac. They're very creative. And I'm sure he's going to try to find something that might pose an impediment. But I don't see how they can. They can avoid this at this point, given the earlier reporting that the president really did lose his mind about this. And that it led him to try to fire the special counsel. Even though he knew what the locations of that would likely be what are you? How are you viewing this in terms of the seriousness of these subpoenas in terms of potential response from the White House in terms of the limited legal options? They have for blocking this. I mean, as I said, there's no there's no Robert Mueller to fire here. And he he can't fire Maxine Waters around him. Chef how do you think about this in terms of what kind of a clash this isn't how serious this might be? Well, first of all. For most people, you know, the going into defensive mode and trying to prevent information. Like this getting out would be assigned that there's something that is being hidden something that the president's hiding. However, I think we've seen after a couple of years, this is almost a reflexive mode. Anything having to do with Russia. One of the reasons the Russia inquiry became so like powerful it had such momentum is because they were denials and lies and and attempts at covering up and most people only cover up on this something to be covered up. But you know, to some extent, it's just a default mode. It seems like in the White House to just prevent information from getting out even if everything was on the up and up. So I don't think that helps in this case. You know, we we will find out, but that kind of reaction suggests that there's something wrong. So I'm not sure that's the case. But you know, the presence different that way. Do you think this will unfold in fairly short order is this something that's going to stretch on for years until like this'll be fairly short order. I think I'm not sure it's a coincidence that the speed is come now after Bob molars, finally wound down. So his inquiry is over and now it's a chance for congress to go forward. They've had five months to put a game plan together. So I'm sure on November tenth they were planning on what they were going to do. But this is the first move. So now's your chance to get something. I don't think it will take long Greg Farrell investigative reporter for Bloomberg news. Thanks for helping us understand the great. Thank you. All right. We'll be right back. Stay with us. 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Lowering Of The Barr, How To Flirt 12.4.19

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Lowering Of The Barr, How To Flirt 12.4.19

"We have some exciting news from Dell their biggest cyber Monday ever is still on get deals on Dell and alienware computers with Intel core processors plus save up to fifty he percent on a wide selection of electronic accessories like bose audio it all comes with free shipping for the Gamer Streamer or student Dell. has you covered just call eight hundred by Dell. That's eight hundred buy Dell or visit Dell Dot com slash cyber Monday. Hurry while supplies last. Hello the Internet and welcome to season one eleven episode three of daily Zeitgeist production of iheartradio. This podcast where we take a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say officially off the top. Fuck that coke brothers and their coke industries and Fox News. It's Wednesday December number. Four two thousand nineteen. My name is Jack. O'Brien Aka let Jacko Jacko. Brian make his dome. Ah joked baby yo baby yo Is Fine and pretty close. I don't I don't care what people say. Being old never bothered me anyway. That is courtesy of Kristi Yamaguchi main in an PD torn And I'm thrilled to be joined once again as always by my co host Mr Miles raises She's a cop so she had to For Sam Rainsy made at crispy cream donuts with the exact Today of AK zed three topical Hashtag topical the Shit I was twenty. I was thinking of you Are you singing. Let go reminded me of a facetime. I did with My car Who would is like three? And we're seeing let it go but it's just that I've I forget what it's it's like to be around young kids who are obsessed with the song like an adult would sing the whole song. Three year olds just go let it. It becomes like a look like a bit of a lot of changes. So now's house like like. Yeah she's been really loving the song days and I'm like that's right. It's just when it's like a true earworm where fled my son spends spends most of the day singing and there is like two phrases that he sings with any sort of melody. Yeah just like has a sense yet. Goes up effort learning to learn. Well we are thrilled to be joined in air third seat by the hilarious and talented Francis. Cronin welcome Oh come on man. Hey how you doing guys. Thanks great to be here. Yeah it's great to have you. What's that accent in Boston? The Irishman is now. Yeah no I'm I'm from I'm Dillon Ireland and your beautiful country. Thank you for people. Actually I was in France has got here We had actually worked together years ago on now. Allah viral sensational video for wired magazine where we have people with different accents like interact with different home assistance. Google home and Alexa Francis Francis. Yeah killed a dude. That was one of the most that was the look east little break so we got into some some Conde Nast some huge organization and they brought us in I think Kokoshin Ray writer used to write for Jim Jeffries and he just brought us in and he just needed us for our accents. They let us riff so long. It was it went super viral. Oakland went trending on Youtube. Yeah so maybe we can do it again today. I mean you put you to you and miles in the same room magic happen podcast forever. Ever go away between these viral podcasts. Ever W T.F. With Obama would be the other the other one can can that be replicated. WTN with Obama now. But the next one you know like they can have another podcast. It would probably need to be like Prince Andrew on Joe Rogan. I feel like that would be a I. Don't know what the on in his embalmed body. Yes all right Francis. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to take our listeners listeners. Through a couple of the stories. We're talking about today one thing. We won't be talking about is the fact that we have opened up our offices to dental work. There's somebody doing dental work and Rio Tinto mining company so you will be hearing drilling in the background. able you know we we gotta get these precious precious just minerals. Can't stop won't stop. We're we got. We got to record this pot or lease. We're GONNA look at the fact that there are apple music awards denault I know. Yeah I I had no idea and today. The prestigious awards bill bar issued the report and and he's not happy with the one that he ordered. Yeah he was like go. Go look into it He's like I don't like what you found. Yeah we'll talk about what it is is he did he. Issue has come out or it came back to it. Came back to him right now. We have reports of what his reaction is to it because a lot of people who were looking at the whole lead up this obviously he wanted the inspector general to look into Russian meddling or the inspector general to look at the origins of the Russia investigation. We'll we'll talk about the intro. We're GONNA check in with the latest. Twenty twenty polling Bloomberg has appeared on the charts He is a solid number. Five behind people to judge. Kamla is out Rest in Peace Kamla long lift Kamla and Obama is post westworld and talk about that politico story and we're going to talk about pickup lines for all the for all the pickup artists. The gang out there but first Francis we like to ask our guests. What is something from your search history this revealing about who you are? Yeah when I was coming in I was thinking. That's let's just have a look and the last thing you built before I came in with the tides in Ireland because I need to know basically. I'm gone home to Ireland to do a big walk across. What's the country doing swim on the on the west coast of Ireland? So I have to check tied so people don't have but the rocks O- on the first day of a big event. Wait so what's the risk if the tie if there's high you won't see what you're swimming into and yeah so the first we have the diving team is coming at the dive off these epic conniving boards on the west coast of Ireland into the Ir see on a freezing cold day on the eighteenth of December. So I have to make sure that the water's deep enough and on beheld. It's not so yeah I don't know if it's GonNa work on hold is a walk not as we'll make the news with a few. How how cold is the water? And I think it would be thirty to hear from you. Guys basically four degrees at San for a minute and then you either get because it gets painful or you. I don't know yeah exactly. Yeah you'll be and wetsuit. No because I'll only be in and out for minutes. Oh and then we do bits two camera and try and create content as across the country. So this this is an extension because you had walked previously on foot from San Francisco to Los Angeles to raise awareness around homelessness. Yeah yeah with no tend to think is the thing I keep forgetting to say. So basically these in the Irish Army I was in the Quick Reaction Force in Liberia West Africa the United Nations. So I learned a lot of sneaky stuff. I learned how to survive. And I understand that that makes compelling viewing if you're applaud and every day so basically seven days crossing Ireland hopefully hopefully Boskin mcclen Hansard and Bono on in Grafton Street on New Year's Eve and by the time we get there I hope to have a thousand few thousand people walking alongside in solidarity against basically fifteen thousand people in island who are homeless. You don't need to be on. Its apparently we're all doing great. Yeah right so. That's the goal here where we have. What almost sixty thousand on house people people like? I don't know maybe we need to build more of these luxury apartments little hocking ghost houses. It's unreal. I've only been in Hollywood five years news. Yeah and you can literally see these. They're basically become a neighborhoods. Yeah love that are growing. And they've got their own little commerce and rules and everything like that great that they're organized but like there's no reason to happen. Yeah it's a broader utter failure of our municipality to take care of these the people what did you learn about California walking through our great state Without a tent ham. Well basically the one thing that came out overall. Is that Americans despite what you see in the media on. Let's say on all sides just her. There's an abundance of kindness. There that has yet to be tapped. Yeah literally people are so hungry for good news that when I started making that little content and walking across the country like little Weirdo data right at the became a conduit for just they finally had some place to throw money and get behind a nonpartisan issue. Which is getting people off the streets and I had never experienced anything like that? In terms of credible people getting behind so like there is an abundance of of kindness and generosity in America. Okay there's a lot of people are just great like people were leading meet complete strangers. Let me go into their house have shower. They meet me but I decided to St. Bring me a sandwich and then collecting hoodies together given the homeless to keep them warm. It's like man people just want to. They want to collaborate for good. They're sick all the bad news and thankfully I found I I I just walked into Zeitgeist and now every story. I don't know if you've noticed. But homelessness is a global issue. Yeah absolutely and it's non-partisan so we get to actually do something we have to fight about it. Yeah it's beautiful you know so I'm excited about doing what is something. You think is underrated part from this. PODCAST 'cause you guys underrated guys Eh. You guys got my gun. The level of production basically overrated. You guys were talking about a rise and grind you know like this. Is this mentality of always working on a little walk. Keep referencing the front pretty formative experience I would refer. It's a nonstop and talk about nothing else. Thanks man that's all I'm walking at their and maybe twenty four hours forty eight hours alone times and when you're alone your brain has time to calm down and sort things out You know and then you you get a better perspective on say the the twenty percent that's given you the eighty percent were reward so all of a sudden rather than having a clear mind and not knowing where to put my energies are my creative things. I had so much clarity at the end of that walk. It was is almost like for anyone. WHO's into yoga any of that? It's like shocker workman. I was in my root Chakra. I knew who I was. It was very clear and I wasn't being brainwashed by eight hours of social media at Ray. Yeah so I literally was meeting beautiful people connecting making eye contact with humans. Ah for hours a day as opposed to not making contact with anyone all day. Yeah so do that does something that human spirit that we were slowly being that slowly. CBS obfuscation from us. So we're literally were slowed like worked slowly being pulled away from what we can be in terms of human connection collaboration aberration and all that. Yeah and we're slowly being separated by you know. Technology advances some some of which gives us great things. You know great benefits but basically you know the less we do is underrated. Do less just do really important stuff. Like the twenty that gives you the Senate during the eighty that gives you the twenty. It's basic economics but you know rising grind. Yeah so rising grinders overrated underrated. How how did you meet people when you are on your walk like would they come out and meet you because they knew you're coming through? Yeah did you know and again as I say some multinationals do great stuff so google has a satellite tracking APP so people could literally see the little blue dot walk along their screen and they could see how close they were to me in miles. It tells them so it's like how can you not see wedding. Red Lunatic is when you're putting your head down at night. Yeah so that was him so satellite tracking. So you'll be able to follow me as I walk across the country. Come out and walk. Come to a GIG. We got the best COMEDIANS NHS in Ireland. And then we're going to be busking with Bano. Yeah New Year's Eve dance might be spun out the invited basically basically lead the same charity that I'm representing the Simon Community of Ireland. He does great work all across the country at Bono is also aligned with them and Glen. Hansard is a huge huge huge huge huge advocate for the homeless in Ireland. And it's a small world and we have some mutual friends in Ireland. You can literally walk into a pub in. I won't say which pulled but bottled drinks You know people leave them alone. Could celebrity is a different kind of animal in our ray. We treated differently. Yeah but yeah. I think that's going to happen but I do treat it in Ireland. Uh well here. It's less worshiping me. You know what I think it is is that we don't like to show our hand. We don't like to discuss exactly how we're failing in in writing because we've had to hide it for a number years. We had basically civil unrest until two thousand with the north and the south. You know at odds and people who looked exactly the same fighting with each other we don't need race or gender humans. We don't have to fight with each other. We can just go after someone's ideologies. Yeah so what was the question. Now that affects celebrity or a hustler received. Yeah so we don't we. Have you know in Ireland. There's great great super supportive people. And then there's another side to the Irish psyche. I I think which is basically we call a tall poppy syndrome. So if someone's doing too great we like to make we'd like to kind of cut him hit them hard rag on them a bit. You Know Ed Ed trolled and basically until they show their resolve to be you know respected and often you'll see artists going to another country and when they go back then they then they have an opportunity to maybe reach their true potential in their own country. It's Tall Poppy Syndrome. Basically yeah they don't want anyone to people don't want others to to win until they've proven themselves a worthy winner right Yeah so different here. It's like for example. You walk down the road in Ireland and you see celebrity. It's usually Eh. Thank you know cell phone. Most of the street. We'll go. What are you come on? Right is a human. He's got oh it's more like out of respect for this person because and the reality is meant. Everyone knows that celebrity is. It's a lot about self promotion and it's a lot about what machine is behind you. Sure and how you use capital to two propeller image right so I guess there's enough deep thinkers to realize that that person probably has real real life problems might be so maybe like. Don't get me wrong Ireland. Yeah now. Now here's what's going to happen tomorrow. The be some massive twitter story automates celebrity site gang in order to be left alone in America Bono has to dress dress like a rabbi. Did you ever see that. No East Mary where he got into a bike accident and was way. I was dressed as a rabbi dresses. Beautiful Yeah he had to literally early dresses a in disguise to just ride his bike. We do get behind. There are people if they're you know for sure but it is so different here guys you know Hollywood is beautiful. It's great but there is kind of facade and the lack of empathy among a lot a lot of players that I don't think the lack of empathy and complete. I wouldn't have your words. Yeah you know and there is great people and and we all know that for sure. Let's be realistic. I mean are they feeling anything when they deliver something either down a Mike or like are they even. Is there any connection between their voice and what they actually think or is there just a massive disciplines. And they're just a facade of just foolish right so and if there's not you know if there's no connection then no one wants to really listen and there's no longevity in their career right because everyone just like humans have dislike massive understanding of truth that we can't quite articulate but we know it when we see it and when we see it it's so compelling truth has gravity subsidizing that when you speak it it pulls people in. It's it's like you don't have to be a genius. You just have to be honest and truthful on the planet and the world will come to you. No that's very very good point. I mean that might have been it. I was GonNa ask you what. What's a myth? Something people think is true that you go to be false or vice versa. I guess since we're talking about Ireland people think that Ireland. It's raining all the time that actually only rains a little bit one hundred fifty one day. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's like L. A.. The weather so predictable you guys can plan to Flake Lake. Anna barbecues six months in advance. You guys are good but in Ireland. We have four Linda Fleet. Yeah you guys have trudell and you know in Ireland. We have four very distinct seasons but for convenience. We have them all in one day. Yeah yeah there's a cold I I studied at UCD for a semester. And the there's a cold it was. I got there in like like January and stayed the spring. But there's a cold there that like gets inside your clothes there. You don't have an America for some reason. It's it's like a wet cold yes I think that is it. I think it's moisture Laden air. Yeah it permeates all all your win no matter what you do. The quickest way around that the Irish fan that there's layering so we put on a vest and then we put on a jacket and we put on a hat and then we then we drink drinking liquid code on. Yeah all all right. Let's talk about the apple. Music Awards says which is a thing had no only that sorry basing this off of like apple music and like what's listen to albums it's weird. There was a press release. It says updated December second. I have a feeling it was announced announced just a few days ago the awards take place today December fourth for whatever reason but it says they're introducing the new awards a celebration of Blah Blah Blah. And I think a lot of it does have to do with like the amount of streams in things like that Yeah they are based on streaming data and what apple music customers. I've been listening to on repeat so they only have a very few categories. There's artists of the year merely Irish who also Her Album Obama. When we fall asleep? Where do we go will be album of the year? Because it was like had over a billion streams and then she also received the songwriter of the year award which will go to her and her brother Finis who had no idea it was the whole I completely ignorant to the Baxter Billy. I just know she likes to office. Br but I didn't realized that was the person that makes a lot of music with her breakthrough artists. Liz Oh okay. Song of the year old town road by little Nasdaq's that's it sure does sweet. For whatever reason this exclusive event will be streamed. Live from Steve Jobs Theater at Apple Park okay. So we'll I guess all those those artists will be there. I'm sure I mean they clearly were paid to come in for this photo. Shoot that they did because it's all very uniform in the same photographer but this award award that they won. It looks very not like a thing I would necessarily be like. Damn that is such. A Beautiful Award is a circle Oracle inside of a rectangle. It's a circle. It's an IPAD without a screen. You turn you turn that on inside a few little rocket launchers on it looks like a star wars appropriately space for it says and then the way they made it. It's so I there so extra with how they make for each award futures apples custom silicon wafers suspended between PLO a polished sheet of glass and a machine and analyzed aluminum body. The way for start as a perfect twelve inch disc of silicon with nanometer level flatness copper layers are deposited in pattern by ultraviolet with all graffiti to create connections between billions of transistors. The result of this multi month process multi holte month process before it is sliced into hundreds of individual chips is stunning and distinctive in a symbolic gesture. The same chips which power the devices that put the world's world music at your fingertips sit at the very heart of the apple music awards. It looks like they cut out a circle of a wicker basket and stuck it to the back of an eye pet. 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That's one hundred dollars toward select mattresses by visiting Casper Dot com slash td and using TD's e at check out all right Francis we're GONNA loop you back in pal all right so bill bar got his report he'd been working on this. He'd been traveling around the world talking to people. People interviewing people probably go into various going a cadillac. The DAVINCI code right with a Walrus. Chris faced asshole Manto Bar. So yeah he you know he asked the inspector general he said. I need you to investigate. You know how the FBI came to to begin this investigation of Russian meddling in two thousand sixteen. You Know Carter page with what happened with these fiso warrants. What what was really going on with Peter Struck struck Lisa page? He's FBI agents. who had the temerity to say that? They'd thought trump shouldn't be president while being in the FBI. Because I think he was really hoping that someone would come back with the report basically saying I guess if in your mind if you're like this Republican fantasy politician who has complete disregard for facts and objectivity. You would hope that the inspector general would come back with a report that said Oh yeah there's all these biased. FBI Hillary loving the agents who were against the president. The steele dossier was the entire basis of our legal system and Obama wired everything everything thing in Alabama listened to it. All was being so spooky at at trump tower but the problem is this inspector general. He is known as being a stickler and being very as many people. Doj past and present officials said. He's not being nitpicky a little bit Like when even when Eric holder was attorney general all report the Inspector General. WHO's a stickler for detail? Exactly especially say hi. Can you investigate my my house. My House and order are people behaving you Kinda need those people that it'd be like yeah. I go by the law at home. Inspector such a stickler pickler for details. Yes ma'am okay. There's a hole in the roof. You can put cardboard and brash bags it works and so now he's come come back When I was saying with Eric holder typically attorneys general will be like Yo come on like they'll be like this person went to Heart William bars like Nah I don't like like what this guy said Because what came back from the inspector generals that there was nothing untoward going on everything happened to the letter of the law. All these other conspiracy theories that they've been running around with like really. Don't hold any weight there were there. Is that one moment. We talked a few weeks ago when they did find that there was in the process of of getting a surveillance warrant people cutting corners and got sloppy. Right was hanging onto that but it was not really anything that they're saying. Oh this is actually the massive have massive Misconduct by one minor atrazine Exactly and so because his whole reason for living it has been to defend trump and shield him and make anything he says true even if it is just patently false He's basically said this is from the Washington Shington Post What his reaction to seeing this report was attorney? General William P bar has told associates. He disagrees with the justice. Department's Inspector General on one of the key findings in an upcoming coming report that the FBI had enough information in July two thousand sixteen to justify launching an investigation into members of the trump campaign. That is sort of the whole. Oh finding right whole thing well. The whole thing was George. Popadopoulos was saying out loud to an Australian ambassador official that do these Russian Russian. I heard the Russia's going to do they're going to do some hackery Brent. With Hillary Clinton trump some person then goes to the Australian officials they tell American law enforcement like like this. Someone seems to think this is happening if you want to look into it. Yeah all pretty straightforward. Then he goes on to say why he doesn't really like what Horwitz who was the inspector general his conclusion. He says he's privately contended that Horwitz does not have enough information to reach the conclusion the F. B. I. had enough details enhanced justify opening a approp- so he doesn't have enough information about them having enough information to diversify. That's that's why this is wrong because actually even though. I told him that he needs to look into this. And he probably has all the information. It turns out based on his conclusion that he actually doesn't have have enough information. 'cause that's different than what I needed to be right. It's very very alarming. which as it should be because William Bar has been going to places like Italy or London to like talk to other allies London on his alarming for an Irishman but like going there and like trying to get other other people other intelligence agencies to say? Oh yeah maybe there was something wrong girl like no man. We're all we've all been hearing the same thing we've all been looking at how Russia's become more emboldened Bolton and more and more aggressive since two thousand fourteen it all tracks you have nothing to the contrary to say and I think this is where we have to think about what his next move because when he got the mother report with that said. There's all these accounts of obstruction. There's clearly some kind of conspiracy going on. Were it not not for all the lying of Paul Manafort and others involved. I may know actually how dark this thing is for it. William Bar came out and tried to get a front of it and just basically lied and was like yeah. It's all good. This thing's pretty chill nothing to see here. Call it a lie. Selective summarizations summarized three of the four hundred hundred pages. Just focused in on that right exactly so I mean who knows what. He's GonNa do this if he's going to go on and say This one very narrow part. I'm GONNA completely blow out out of contact. Try and keep this. Sounds like he didn't even have like the SPEC that he could blow out into a huge deal now because he is going back to them being like. Just give me a fucking crump. Yes give me something something. Do you know what the the most just given your SP- not not an Irish perspective. I can only speak for myself. But like as an outsider looking in America a and the media and now it's it's fascinating to watch that it doesn't seem to be the truth but it's the most compelling narrative and how you present it on air. Yeah yeah like an literally the talking heads. WHO's the better talking head? Who can who can hold the audience? Because I when I came. I'm here I didn't know about the two sides of Meteo whenever I didn't so I'm just flicking through thick. It's shocking to see hell believable. If you immerse yourself in one inside. Yeah how believable it can be. Yeah you know I'd be very slow to label anyone on either side anything because this is the most incredible propaganda I've ever seen right and it's endlessly funded. Its own real. Yeah Yeah because it makes its its own money. It's propaganda that people pay for. Yeah Yeah it's like it's shocking. It's entertainment disguised as news. It just like this fever dream to whip people into into a frenzy unreal unreal. And you know the great thing about investigations right depending on which side. You're on just like investigations. In general you want them to be happening to government all the time. What's very interesting to watch right now? Is that no one. I have a feeling no one's GonNa go to jail. Yeah because these are the lawmakers homemakers right right. You know like it'd be nice to for the right people to be held accountable. But it's becoming very clear. No one seems is to go to jail. If they're if they're empowered once you get to a certain level yeah like lower level you could be made a sacrificial lamb gesture people say that yeah. The rule of law works in some cases. But yeah I think I mean and this is why we're like in this other phase which has become even more sort of alarming. Is like this legal. Nihilism Eliza him that people have. It's like who cares. What are they'll fucking laws because even there people breaking them and there's seems to be no consequences or people completely outright? Disobeying subpoenas are using stupid little countersuits kind of just delay their ability to be held accountable. It's made people very very disheartened. But I think that's why at the very least like just keep doing whatever you can because the second that I think you know the the foot comes off the gas a bit. Oh yeah well you got you got you gotta fight for what you believe you know. And it's just shocking tomato to watch just people say say growing up in Ireland so at night on the news weekly monthly or maybe just it felt like that as a kid someone was either getting shot in the knees or a barracks being blown up or or some explosive device. Going off you know less than one hundred miles or one hundred whatever mas wet and now that's that's where where can go you know and I saw that in Ireland and then I saw in Liberia West Africa with the United Nations. I was doing a peacekeeping over there. I saw the extremes where you've got child. Soldiers people cutting off arms long sleeve short sleeve option. Was your only option. You know these these child sold just like I don't think people know the capacity in humans have for evil because if they did they wouldn't be the rhetoric people are using now and how they're talking about their adversaries right. It leads down. It's a slow. Oh it's a slow erosion of the fabric of society that you don't you have to be very careful with how you speak about your what you perceive to be your enemy because you don't need race or gender to be at war with someone I saw tribes in Africa. You know attacking each other. I've seen it in Ireland Catholics and Protestants. I would just. I would really like America to consider that rather than trying to find the differences. Just really do reach across. It's the I because you do not want the deterioration that is available in any country to happen. Here guys have special here. No one's done this. No one's got three hundred and fifty million people from all over the universe to live in relative with a lot of problems harmony. Right like this is this is potentially. I don't WANNA be too dramatic rate. You know you just the all phrase powderkeg don't push don't start lightning matches around you know where there's a lot of tension because over ten years to slow erosion you won't even see creeping guys and be very just lead with love as they say you know. Yeah that's my honest opinion. Yeah like and it and it is fun. It's fun you know to rile up the far side but long term guys and not you guys. But in general longtime long-term the propaganda machines have to be very careful what they do because once he polarized groups. It's very hard for them to see each other as human. Yeah I know and I think that's the increasingly dehumanizing rhetoric that comes out of like the president or people like this. There's this new thing of like the new thing. But as the president's actions become more and more Obviously corrupt and people are holding him accountable. The rhetoric is also changing going to now people who are asking for accountability or subhuman. They're scum there whatever. And that's that's really. Yeah and this is the thing that a lot of people are talking about on this country too because as this keeps going and going and going you know. It's the logical end that it plays out to is not is not one of not not a good time period added we have a very short term collective memory right like look if you have history in the schools. Does a real good chance that people you know if history's being taught well in a country yep up or at least somewhat honest not here then what I want to say but you know that could be by design row in Ireland uh-huh somehow that's one thing that I think we do quite well which is teach history But you know and that allows people to have a relatively good perspective on how things will shape up if you go down. A certain road did that. We still have the civil war right but you know you don't WanNa be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past so yeah. I don't think you're in your schools. You're teaching people that The civil war was about a difference in economic Systems like where people like here like in some places the history of the American civil war is completely obscured and like the sort of Facets about race or removed moved or slavery or minimized. And it's like. Yeah you know one group was kind of doing their thing and then the there's a disagreement and anyway let's move on. I think I think is why because sorry I think it hurts so so much to look at how bad we've been in the past that it's it hurts. You don't WanNa look at it. You WanNa Kinda glaze over but you gotta sit with it. Well Yeah and I think an American history is all about route sanitizing. How bad things we've done have been how poorly we've treated each other? How poorly we've treated other countries how we've completely decimated other her cultures other economies? It's just it's mostly about like like I bleach history. Let's just yeah it's hard to I mean like it wasn't until college I was getting a real UNDERSTA- like understanding of American history or no high school. I did have a really great teacher and it was like suggesting. Take a people's history of the United States. Might God what the fuck is going on. But most of the time. We're just like man America's so chill and everything we've done has been so great for other people. Well that's one question. I get a lot just before you move on and like this is basically a lot of people wanna know like what. What do people think of America Ed side America and I think thank God? The branding is good. Defending is good. You Guys Linda strong the America because you know a lot of people see this as a refuge for people from all different ethnicities now. Of course you have the problems. But the reality is America's is it's not it's foreign policy. It's three hundred and fifty million beautiful individual people walking the earth trying to stuff the farm policy questionable. I think most people would agree on both sides. Yeah on both sides of the aisle. Sure that's interesting to hear from somebody who lived through civil war in a violent conflict Kind of within the nation. They grew up to to hear that. That's something that you're concerned about. Because that's something that when you talk to people who spend a lot of time in countries that are devolved into civil war. They said that like a lot of the signs popping up in America and people in America are like. Yeah but I mean it can't happen here and it might. It might not be what you're picturing your mind but now it's it's it's It it is shocking because it was on it was I. I wasn't directly affected by it but Iraq the country so much couldn't even call it what it was. which was you know and eh probably some sort of civil war we called it the troubles right right the try and it was one hundred miles away? There's people you know bombs going off and all that or a hundred and fifty miles away and to me. It was another world but it was in the subconscious just like wow. Why when you're a kid you understand? There's no reason for fighting. First Time you see warranty I remember cry- crying. I understood stood the depth of a and then over time you have to distance yourself from that emotion raise. It's too much yeah. I didn't live through civil war just for the record. But but there was civil unrest in the north of Ireland and it really permeated the culture and really got into a lot of kids brains early on in Ireland so I think as a result of the the pain maybe the people went through before in the previous generation. Now there's a better understanding of how we want to avoid that everywhere right right right yeah. So let's let's look at the peaceful way that we theoretically exchange power in this country with the upcoming twenty twenty election. There's some polling in the first poll. Where one of the first poll? Since Bloomberg entered the race he is at six EXP percent. which is he's six percent already? Yeah I know that's what I thought I was like. That's dark and depressing that he could just be like. I'm going to buy a all the ads and then you're gonNa vote for me and the polls but I bet I bet he's depressed by that set to that he can only get double-digit. Yeah I mean if you look right. We were saying Bloomberg he's GonNa eat into the Buddha judge Biden rating of things. You know he's A. He's a centrist interests. And he's not going to challenge the economic status quo of this country. So yeah I mean. They're they're fighting over the same. The same audience so biden saw on uptick of like a couple of percentage points. Sanders stayed exactly where he was So Biden's thirty one percent Sanders fifteen. Warren Warren actually saw the the most The biggest drop. She's down to ten percent Buddha judge nine percent and then Bloomberg six. Wow and S- Kamala Harris was at two percent and you know right around two percent and most of the recent polls that were coming out. And that's probably that. And the fact that one of her lead campaign officials Jumped ship to the Bloomberg campaign. Are Reasons people speculate that she decided to drop batted the race. Her statement is my campaign this quote. My campaign for President simply doesn't have the financial resources we need to continue. I'm not a billionaire. I can't find my own campaign and his campaign has gone on. It's become harder and harder to raise the money we need to compete. Yeah I mean well she had she started off really strong and then it seemed like every subsequent debate just a little bit was like yeah starting to diminish or she'll have moments like pretty flat debate than a couple of moments zero there when she announced that she was running it South Carolina or no no. It was Oakland. That's right. Then she had a big rally in South Carolina but her announcement was the biggest rally of the twenty twenty Democratic presidential election until Bernie had the rally with Ao. See About a month Gotcha But I mean yes she. She started with a lot of energy the first debate she was the story coming out of the first debate and then it just seemed like back. Yeah I didn't never really cohered into a vision of like okay. This is what her candidacy is about. Yeah pretty crazy crazy. You guys like have to billionaires fighting it out. It's the most compelling narrative anyone ever written right. It's like talk about selling advertising. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah we'll be amazing when the tax stuff comes out just to see the reality. Yeah that's going to be fascinated that's progressing like there's another batch of financial documents Deutsche Bank documents that are progressing towards the Supreme Court. So they're going to have to decide on the tax sacraments and these Deutsche Bank or they separate. Yeah well I I think that will I don't know actually. It's the one specific way to Deutsche Bank but I mean through who that one they've also seen like how sort of deep the shell game kind of is from people talking about what they've seen from those documents but I feel like that's true about a lot of rich people. Oh Hell Yeah I mean when you're that rich like another job you have is trying to fuck in Hydra money holiday. That's okay just GimMe Gimme your shit. people hiding things There's a recent politico article that interviews a lot of people sort of on backgrounds from the Obama camp. And he's just like they're just sharing his displeasure with all of the Democratic candidates. Like you know Biden right in doesn't have a good sense of the electorate Warren like she can come up with all these plans for everything. But that's not a solution enfer uniting people and it's just like he has tons like it sounds like listening to a great athlete criticize Athletes like after. They're out of the game a little bit like give props to anyone right. Can't give props anyone still the best to do it. I don't know him one cirque. The one thing reeks insecurity to be honest. The one thing that jumped out to me is that they said that if Bernie starts running away away with it which they keep saying which will never happen. We'll never happen. He's he's out of it but if if it did look like he was going to get the nomination. Obama said he'd have to do something like that he'd have to say something against Bernie. Wow I like this. This quote of this is someone who they're saying wasn't adviser right to Obama. Yes yes that quote. He hasn't said that direct quote he hasn't said that directly to me the only reason I'm hesitating it is all because if Bernie were running away with it I think maybe we would all have to say something but I don't think that's likely it's not happening. Another close Obama. A friend said Bernie's not a democrat. So it's GAFF. You're not like fully you know hiking you're scarred up for Wall Street than yeah are you. A Democrat yeah right you know. It's crazy how they speak to each other over here too in the like. It's so inflammatory. Yeah it's wild it's on it's like it's like gladiator. Well because that's sort of what our political system is completely devolved into you. It's like a glad you send your champion on behalf of big the pharmaceutical industry or the banking industry or the mining industry. You have your champions in the form of Congress people who fund to stay in office and give you the votes in the in the a fucking coliseum known as Capitol Hill You fucking fight. It's actually. Yeah the tiered seating. It's it's sort of like how that's why y you know you need lobbyists to identify your champions that you can send four. It'd be like Hey. Are we on the same page. How clear her clears it? Become that money is so like. I think people knew that money was involved but now with with two billionaires and it's like an all the discussion about lobbying where money's gone it's on like I think people thought they knew but now they really really now have dirty it is. I think that's with candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who are pretty consistent in articulating. The issues that are plaguing taking the system That's why you see when someone they even mentioned Bernie Sanders. Why guess we'd have to do something because that is a different? That's someone who has been able to get the like like a lot of people might not have been as politically engaged or savvy to sort of look at the nuances in dimensions of how politics working hold the fuck on weight. I'm I have have so much lack in my life because of these rich assholes I don't know if I like this anymore. Yeah I love the saying you know. If you WANNA know who's really in power just watch out for for who you can't speak about and that that kind of comes to light hair. Yes Yeah Bernie. A I saw him on a long form interview interview and he was. I don't I don't have a position in America. It's not my place but there's no way he's the madman that he's made out to be you in a billionaires and depending on what you're watching and of course the opposite on the opposite side but it's like if we could just get closer to the truth is but unfortunately that won't win the election so we're destined for the polarity and we're destined for the conflict. Yeah Yeah I'm just have to be very careful that the conflict in rhetoric doesn't believe out. Well there's no money I need to be made in unifying people brab. That's the problem. Now do the truth has a gravity so strong that when you speak pulls people in that one hundred percent that's why one hundred percent because if it were then then we will be unifying the fuck out. Everybody get your unification shit season shirts and hats and merchant whatever APPs. But it's like when the unifying message right right now is like working. People are getting screwed the need to look at how we how people are being taken care of. What kind of financial services and support systems we have for our on housed? People are vulnerable people disabilities. Whatever this that and the other seed in a lot of those things so many people make money off of the fact of commodifying the fact that you need help help or whatever that is it's just it's a threat to the game as it's being played now and I think that's why when you see quotes like this? It's so damning for them to be like well some have and we will have to say something on behalf of the like the wealth class. Yeah what we all have negative confirmation bias. That's why twitter and works so well and other stuff works so well because we were naturally anxious learn naturally we were preyed upon there's predators out there so we still have better than us so it's just like division is too short term hit. It gives you that endorphin rush that like gets you compare like focused on an unaware of everything but you can win with humidity and love. But it's just not as sexy. It's not a sexy to the human mind and it but it is it gives you Javadi and peace and prosperity but division mattis. Ah I love division. When you're reading it you know what I mean? Yeah Vision exactly. Yeah math too long. Oh remainders. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. We have some exciting news. From Dall- their biggest cyber Monday ever is still on get deals on Dell and alienware computers with Intel core four processors plus save up to fifty percent on a wide selection of electronics and accessories like bose audio it all comes with free shipping for the Gamer Streamer or student Dell. has you covered just call. Eight hundred buy Dell. That's eight hundred. Buy Dell or visit Dell Dot com slash cyber Monday hurry while supplies last And we're back and There's a study about which pick up lines work best for women that are hitting on men and I for one am curious miles. Oh Manual the you know the people at In Halifax Canada yes Decided I didn't even realize this is a question of what pickup lines for men are the most effective they got hell effects up in Halifax There's okay so the way they did it. Apparently they found that. There's they were testing three pickup. Line styles direct flippant and and innocuous and what they did this highly scientific study and I say this with a lot of is that they got one hundred thirty heterosexual adult males Two basis every single time. I was going to sound like fucking honestly remedies. We're like does this. Is this necessary. A has a man said no so what they were actually has ever said no to any kind of. I'm so it says they were asked asked to evaluate a series of twelve photographs of women accompanied by a pickup line. And then so when they looked at it they asked the participant to rate the perceived attractiveness of the woman the the perceived promiscuity of the woman and the perceived effectiveness of the pickup line Really what they found was direct was the most effective so I didn't example a direct pickup line stuff. Like you WanNa have a drink together. You have really nice is you can have your number. You're cute all those in in a row very smooth and the networks to stare at the chess you gotta you gotta stay ringlets because I got a straight Australia. Yeah an example of flippant. Pick up lines. As shall we talk or continue flirting from a distance. Always see you here. You must be the bars. It's best customer sincere lot since you're alone and I'm alone. Why don't we sit together to that? Makes me want to be. I'm easy are you. That was obviously. There's control so I think I think that is actually an example of scientists writing comedy being not a successful way to enough these are regarded conversation right and not that sample size a hundred and thirty exactly like go in two zero. Yeah that's what I said. It's like the highest conversations. Of course. Yeah and then innocuous can you recommend a good drink. I've seen you before. Do you work here. I mean really what. They did find his direct where the most successful zestful flippant was second most successful innocuous released likely to be judged as effective but they did say no matter the pickup line when they raided the attractiveness high didn't matter what they said please. I don't know thank you. We have a very visual creatures. Aren't me yeah. Hey what do you ever you walk in. It's like it's hard not to look at some later. Nigga it's what you have is. Yeah it's hard. It's like a woman for me is the most compelling thing no of is you want to write songs and Sonnets. I mean that's what we do have a great and then we try and get on stage trying to be funny and then hopefully find out why with Iran right and then I guess it's the same the opposite way. It's just a man beauty. There's video is so hard to ignore this idea idea though that like there's a need for this study like there are women or I guess it just seems odd to me is not the way our society is set up a sort of just like this just patriarchy where the man pursues the woman and that sort of people are just inundated with this sort of messaging. I'm not it sounds like a thing that like a lonely men would need this study like. Hey direct is the best thing guys you know. Don't be all like hey. Did you see that fistfight outside. That was so wild like I duNno L.. Like I think these two women are fighting over dude anyway. Hi My name's miles. That's like literally some pickup artist types. Shit where you talk rather than you see rather than pulling up directly joy. I think you're beautiful Ma. Have this drink with me. Inches from the exact. There's like more more about just sort of being a little bit more obscure about sort of just a general conversation started by pointing to another event and then they go. Oh no I didn't see that. And that's more organic and then he like anyway. What's up I'm lonely? I mean I'm miles. You ever notice as well when you WanNa talk when you really really really WanNa talk to somebody you know that this is the one in your brain something in your brain literally sabotage you. Yeah you can't speak. You can't think you start. Start opening all the doors to fridge every Dr Evidence like and the conversation just it just. It's like your jeans no that you are not supposed to mate with good enough circuits. I am Horny. Um Yeah it's it's like you're sabotage from the inside out your genetics. Don't want you to win. Do they think you're good enough. The second date I ever went on with my wife she was like I kind of realized that you know I was in love with her but she like you you know I was the second day to. It'd be really weird. I love you right but she. She still talks about it because she was like. Yeah there's that one day when you couldn't talk walk in you're all sweaty. Yeah the worst thing to come out. You know when you know that they're seeing it eighty percent of creatures on the planet. Yeah let me start sweating like. Are you sweating. No you're sweating and then getting on me and it gets were some worse and there's there's no way out right right the only thing I think you can do to kind of is a preemptive strike. which is it's like it's like before you go into an interview go for a run so your endorphins like bench press and something? So there's a little testosterone in there. I don't know maybe Stan wide-legged with your arms above your head and some like power or pose. Yeah then you walk in and go. Hey you live around here. Also why are you holding that. His chewing raw meat like steaks on your shoulder. My new shoulder pads rib is it is but you realize you flex and saying you know. I'm Vegan. Yeah but that is weird. How the universe keeps us in line? Isn't it like it's like. It knows that you're hey. This was not feel so you know what I'm GonNa do. I'm literally going to make you deaf and mute and you're not going to be able to hear what you're saying and you're not going to be able to formulated in your brain and you know what you're talking with a concussion. The whole time seeing stars yeah question for the audience decide gang does that. Does that happen on the other side. Girls get that do they get the same feeling. I'm sure like anything. We're human right if we like something a possible threat of losing something right causes the anxiety or not to get the thing thing we want. I'm sure on some of the thing I'm more interested in. Is this idea of being hit on because I've only been maybe like a direct pickup. Glenn R remember. Someone said that to me when I was. Dj Party in high school was designed girl. I was in high school is using. Your party's comes up your Q.. What's your number really and I was I fucking? I panicked I was. I don't know phone away. And then I'll say you'll give him my number so UNCON- off if it indirectly that she was so fried my insecure hormonal teen circuits. I just was unprepared and I just sort of went into myself But again did that did that. Carry for the week though. 'CAUSE when I if I get a compliment like if somebody says something nice to me like that I'm attracted to I'm terrible blows my mind. It'll keep me going for a week dude. I'm like run extra miles I'm donating more yeah I'm terrible with just as a personality. If I'm ever GonNA Congo's Mike I'm always mitigate right and that's the thing I'm trying to do less of because I think that sort of betrays my own ability to sort of see myself as being worthy of a compliment get get psychological real quick. Let me get on my couch therapist Francis because you know I wanna feel like I am where these complement right but inside. I don't WanNa feel like I'm flexing. The people something like that. I don't know if you had a great quote in her podcast about how guys you'll complement a guy's shirt and that's all they'll wear. It is true that is true. Oh yes the power. Compliment has Eh Man you can and also you know it. It doesn't have to be even a lie. You know like we're talking as if it's manipulation you can literally say something someone just like a nice compliment like hey you know what you're you're a great person really felt like we connected today. I'd love to. I wish you the best that just a little serotonin. Tony hit that cortisol spike in the brain or whatever I don't go there and they. They walked the planet a little better and then that trickles out like little reverse tributaries aries into the world. Yeah like just because you said some Nice. That person walks the earth killing people feel better out there. Yeah go give a complement a compliment. Challenge do it but not not to me because I saw this show is look small small terrible my granny said the best advice is just say thank you and Smile Axel. Yeah absolutely. It's so simple but it's like you don't think of because you're just too much into panic. Panicked where to put that energy. Yeah yeah that's true. Well speaking of Serotonin hits one way you can accomplish. That is exercising. Certain one way you can exercise is by getting Peleton from your husband for Christmas because it will give you self worth it will give you an identity entity for the first time. Yup So there's a new Peleton ad that is there's something uncanny and weird lack of moorish yet. It's like back this Ad. I guess it came out a couple like a couple of weeks ago and it's just over the Thanksgiving holiday okay. Yeah it's a young. Mother comes down the stairs on Christmas to find. Her husband is water. New Pella Peleton And she then starts talking about how how it transformed her life and but she's also like doing those running diary of your logs trying this thing out I don't know five days in a Arro- are you surprised up at six. AM yikes yeah. Well she said my name on the thing because that's one of the features on Peleton there's live classes and then when you're logged into some might you might say your name or username and then you can have that one human connection through a screen on your bike while you're inside your human hamster wheel in your Yuppie prison. It's such an odd commercial and the thing it was shot with a budget I would say that was way bigger than it needed to be. Because that's how they today twenty people and genuine what why would you call hall a product. The PELETON Peleton is the second group in any bike race. It's not the first. It should be like yellow vest. Rela vest why I think think Louis Armstrong wasn't named Lance Armstrong. No Louis yes disgraced cyclist for using testosterone steroids. Yeah blood but I think that was like maybe that ruined our yellow vest ideal. That's true political thing in France. Right right now yes yes. The Polygon doesn't care about that they're the whole thing though does feel like I don't know what the lifestyle change exactly. It is because this whoa again. This is how advertising works. The woman who comes down is attractive by every modern standard. So there isn't like some kind of transformation not narrative it just seemed like a woman that has it all and now I'm more grateful to my husband at the right because you gave my life like she's like I never would have been able to and live a life like this without this or something. Thank you for giving this new life to me. It's almost okay like advertising. We know what they're selling the feeling. Yeah right yeah but I think if that was a product for a product for a different market they would. They would probably outline exactly like they'd be more systematic about outlining joining the benefit the health of like increases and what they've done ella appeal to logic. No Man this is fifth avenue this Madison Avenue. Baby we go straight to the brain and we figure out how what insecure type kid you are and then fucking rip that out. Yes fucking screen grabs on the Dick back and tell them. This could be your wife together crazies. There they've probably done all the research. That is the type of commercial that works. So we'd I like to think we're logical creatures but really these these marketing gurus they. They know us to be emotional creatures and they sell on feeling as opposed to fat. Yeah it's fascinating like if you take that it's I feel like it's almost like a we. I think the commercials so weird because it's like a passing of the baton from like maybe boomer gen-x advertising mentality Tallahassee to millennial advertising mentality where like then back old school marketing or doug was just like defy buster gives a fuck man. This thing is going to make you smile and hot and then but then they're using the vlag aesthetic to be like see because like young people. They're they're also maybe sending videos to other right. It was like China INSTAGRAM story like very self aware. It's very it's so it's so precise that it feels like manipulation it's parade prosecutor uh-huh That's one question is is it poorly executed on purpose. Like do they have one way or the performance seems authentic back and they use this one because they knew that it would like chocolate social media. I'm starting to wonder there's all these different examples of people people doing misc- seemingly misguided right that then end up getting us to talk about those things whether it's not negative Aug.. Bias again. Yeah we need we see something that just doesn't it so close to being truth but it's not we have to read up on. We have to talk about it to figure out where the truth is for truth seeking beings. Yeah I went to people have a dialogue right if two people have an open dialogue. And they're not fixated on the result of the conversation. Then the two interlocutors tour's speak right when they finish speaking in theory there's a higher crew that they've both realised But what's happening here. Man is like so does the distance between what we're seeing them what they're showing us and we're like what like. What is we have to talk? Sale world right not make sense like why is it called Peleton Allerton anyway. Probably a great product people. I mean it almost has it from my wife so we'll see yeah. Colt like appeal for people already. I mean their ads before we just sort of like showing like very straight-forward Ford exercise in their one woman got on the bike. They're sweating. They're like yeah cool. There are indistinguishable from Michelob. Ultra ads which which are the ads for the athletic beer. Exactly we'll Francis it's been awesome having you man. Thank you guys genuine. Just you've got a great rapport between the talk. You guys thank you so much. Thank France it's easy to have a good the report when we have a guest such as yourself. Where can people find you follow you? Check you out man guys first of all anyone listening. Thanks very much I just want the mentioned the big walk. I'm doing that's really why I'm doing all this press right so eighteen to the twenty fifth in Ireland. I'm going to be uploading content every day. I'll be sleeping on the streets meets with justice waterproof sleeping bag. People can come out and walk and we're GONNA raise money for the Simon Communities of Ireland which is a homeless charity. We've got a big problem in Ireland with homelessness. It's not right now. It's a global problem here in California I think nearly seventy thousand people in California are homeless on the streets so please just tune into Francis Cronin on all social media F. A. N. S. C. R. O. N. I N.. And rough set is the name of the project in play on words so rough and we're in comedy every night. Nice guys thank you. Is there a tweet. You've been enjoy. Oh ooh I'll be honest. I do find find myself reaching towards the political tweets of the people again the negative bias. So the most inflammatory tweets that I that I see and The thing with the trump with the with the the belt around and just his timing for that that was just like what's it. What is it he took? He took pictures that he posted a picture of tweet of him with his a doctor picture of him with his talk that he's like rocky. Oh right yeah and I just thought that was fascinating to watch people call it a troll and other people say that this is Dr and just like that blew. Blew my mind as to how far and how unstable the discourses here in the country that that could be that inflammatory. Well yeah at this point. I mean everyone is on a knife's edge. To begin with the president does so the second anything comes out it it's just the at fodder. Yeah and you WANNA make. Yeah and it's just it's a little worrying when people are censoring their thoughts. When they're you know they're they're speaking in public and and you know you just don't want that if if you if? I walked down certain streets in my country. I'd have some problems because I wouldn't be from the right faction you don't WanNa see that here and this. That's my biggest worry for America right. Yeah and it's all coming from tweets array miles people find you find me. Follow me on twitter twitter and Instagram at miles of grey. Also you know a new podcast out four twenty day fiancee My podcast Sophie Alexandra. Where we talk about our favorite show ninety day fiance in very elevated ways very hilarious? Show If you want to know a tweet I like. It's actually brought to my attention from nick anymore. Yeah well listener at Call Me Niles this tweet okay. So they're like check this tweet out. It's it's one of those petty tweets that clearly. I'm just GONNA it's from this woman named Maggie just said if your name is Jessica from Guelph Your Boyfriend Ryan ears pierced is sitting in the Brock Library talking absolute trash rash about you to his lady companion. I'm not trying to start shit. But he said you're a six in bed and she says he should break up with you I'm snitching and then there's another she replied. Your own teacher goes the amount of TI. I've gotten from Ryan and this grows crazy. I haven't paid attention to my assignment for the past hour. I just like when people look. Sometimes you know it's a community. I got to let people know so it was a tweet. We like T- Tweeden General. That was interesting man. Yeah keep going. Okay okay cool you you can find me on twitter at Jack Underscore. Brian and that jolly prostitute tweeted. I'm not a mathematician but I think I may have smoked my weight and we'd this year here which is impressive and I do. I do wonder that like if you take everything you've eaten smoked or you know how. How like if it adds up to your own weight? I've smoked my weight and we'd this year or in your life weekend and that's the the volume is a lot more than the human body. Weight is like yeah. Yeah here's like a room full. Yeah I just use it to weed whacker or a leaf blower now like those. There's a bunch of viral videos where people are just using Lee floors to burn like fucking quarter pounds at a time to fill up a garage with weed smoke. Oh my God. It's violent but it also I'm trying to. I'm trying to try it out if you got one of those setups all come through and Louis Retell tweeted. You're an adult when you realize the night before a holiday is better than the holiday that is true. Unfortunately come up with Francis I would just anything basically I just got addicted to this. I don't know but Mark Norman tweets funniest one liners uh-huh and one of the. Here's what he did a Halloween. He's a stand up. Comedian goes the booing around Halloween. Thinking Pinkston well done Sir Well P- The daily. You can follow me on twitter at Jack. Underscore O'Brien Apollo us on twitter at daily zych Brett dailies ice on instagram. We have a facebook campaign. 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Ep. 849 - Tearing Down Our Institutions

The Ben Shapiro Show

55:07 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 849 - Tearing Down Our Institutions

"Will the federal reserve go to war with president trump. Should america stopped. Attending illegal. Immigrants is a lesbian dating a transgender man now straight all of these questions and more will be answered on this episode of the ben shapiro show. I'm not kidding. We're actually gonna answer that last question or at least the washington post is going to try to because the media are guardians and our firefighters. Everything's going swell in america guy so let's just jump right into the news. Apparently the the key yield curve has now inverted worse level since two thousand seven so that's some good news to brighten up your morning and your afternoon thirty year rate has dropped under two percents according to c._n._b._c. long-term longterm treasury rates at its their month long slide on tuesday aggravating a key yield curve inversion and sending the ten year yield to its lowest level against the two year rate since two thousand seven in other words. Everybody in the world is buying long term bonds. They're trying to store their money in long term bonds because they do not have a lot of faith in the short-term economy the yield on the benchmark treasury note more sensitive to changes who's in federal reserve policy fell to one point five to six percents which is five basis points above the ten year notes rate of one point four seven six percents after closing inverted on monday day before august. The last inversion of this part of the yield curve was the one that began in december two thousand five two years before the financial crisis and subsequent recession so there's pretty solid information now that sometime time in the next couple of years the economy is going to slow substantially and maybe dump into recession now the federal reserve has been pressured obviously by president trump and heavyweights to pump up the the inflationary policy at the fed that of course is a bad idea as a general rule. I am not in favor of conservatives should not be in favor of manipulation of the currency at the federal reserve level. They should not be in favor of the central bank of the united states effectively manipulating interest rates. They should not be in favor of any of this. Because when the federal reserve messes around with the interest rates there is significant possibility that you are creating a bubble that will then burst it is also true that the federal reserve was supposed to be a political their goal what was to be a backstop in case of emergency is supposed to be a two thousand seven two thousand eight recession. The federal reserve steps in to cut interest rates and jog spending for example. It was not supposed to be that a politician needs a lift and the federal reserve cuts rates in fact the federal reserve supposed to be the responsible actor here and the fact that president trump is calling on the federal reserve not to be responsible in order to pump up the economy in advance of the election is not a particularly good thing and if a democrat were doing this republicans would rightly be outraged now. Does that mean that the federal reserve should be acting politically. No it doesn't the theme of today's show is going to be the failure of our institutions in the fact that everyone is losing faith in our institutions and for good reason the politicization of our institutions in every single possible way is devastating to america's social fabric to trust each other if you cannot trust that our institutions going to run like they are supposed to run and it's going to be very difficult to explain why we should have delegated power to those institutions in the first place. 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Text wind eighty-seven to to to to check them out also to have that ability to be entered to win a chance to win a thousand bucks to buy any wanted to eighty seven to two to win two eighty seven even to to to okay so with the economic backdrop that we currently have as the backdrop. There's a report from the new york times. That should undercut your faith institutions. Hey if the federal reserve is supposed to be an impartial broker if the federal reserve is supposed to be an institution that stands apart from the hurley the hurry dirty of everyday politics well then this should be a disquieting story. According to the new york times the fed could hit back at trump a former top official suggests according to genesis honest malik reporting for the new york times a former top federal reserve official implied that the central bank should consider allowing president trump's trade war to hurt his twenty twenty election chances in the surgeon in that drew a firestorm of criticism and rare pushback from the fed itself. William dudley is former president of the federal reserve bank of new york is now research scholar at princeton university and he said in a bloomberg opinion piece that president from reelection arguably presents a threat to the u._s. and global economy dudley added that if the goal of monetary policy is to achieve the best long-term economic economic outcome and fed officials should consider how decisions will affect the political outcome in twenty twenty. It's an astonishing statement from the former president of the federal reserve bank of new york. He's <unk> openly stating now that the officials at the federal reserve should be attempting to tip the elections. Were a democrat in order to help the economy. Does that give you faith in the federal reserve similarly. Should it gives you faith in the federal reserve. The fed reserve chairman were just taking orders from the president of the united states. Would that make you feel secure about the safety insecurity of america's economy. This is a particularly controversial statements as the new york times coming from an official who ranked among the feds most powerful policymakers as recently as twenty eight team it also comes at a sensitive that moment for the fed which has been under attack from mr trump and trying to assert its independence from the white house in politics in general michelle smith fed spokeswoman said when asked about the column quote the federal your service policy decisions are guided solely by its congressional mandate to maintain price stability and maximum employment political considerations play absolutely no role but this is the problem with the federal reserve operates as a general rule. The fact is that the federal reserve is constantly attempting to tip balance his for or against particular executive policies pursued sued by presidents of both parties really what the federal reserve should be there to do is to set a low steady interest rate this milton friedman's point known freeman suggested the federal reserve should set a low steady interest rate and that there should be basically should aim for be a two percent inflation rate every year to jog the economy to keep people spending but they should not happy inflating the currency wildly or deflating the currency wildly and they should be there in case of some sort of catastrophic collapse. This is the the chicago school economics view in order to ensure that currency doesn't it just disappeared from the marketplace the vienna the austrian school of economics would go even further they'd say there should be no federal reserve is just pegged the price of the dollar to the price of gold old and be done with it. There shouldn't be any government agency that is involved creating the sort of moral hazard that the federal reserve is going to fix all problems with the economy regardless but the chicago school of economics and the austrian school school of economics would suggest that the politicization of the fat which did happen under franklin delano roosevelt that the politicization of the the the executive branch ordering the fed wants to do or conversely the fed acting as an independent political agent militate against president of a particular party that is going to undermine your faith in republican institutions and it should and we are watching this happen day in and day out faith in each of our institutions it. Seemingly one by one is crumbling. Now what that would theoretically suggest is that what we need is for the constitutional system of checks and balances to kick in right what we would need right now is if you don't have faith in any one branch of the government then you should have faith in the entire government is going to lock itself that you're not going to sure. We don't trust the executive branch. If you're a democrat right now well. That's what the legislatures for and you don't trust the legislature. If you're a republican was with the executive branch for you don't trust the judiciary that's at the legislature and the executive branch are four. You don't trust the federal government general. That's what the state governments are for the entire system of checks and balances imposed by the founders assumed in endemic level of mistrust in our institutions so this is where the constitution really should become valuable. Unfortunately there are a lot of folks on both both sides of the aisle but particularly the left these days or pushing against those checks and balances at the same time we're losing faith in the institutions so the institutions no longer have our faith and now they wanna get rid of checks and balances so if you don't trust the institutions and you don't like the checks and balances while you're really arguing for is taking control of the institutions as you can use them on on behalf of your own favourite policies that is very dangerous and republic basically that is to people that turns government into the jokers game. I'm in the dark knight splitting a pool cue in two in throwing it out there and telling whoever controls the pool pool cue gets to be employed here it turns it into a tribal fight war war by other means. I suggested earlier this week and pushing. This are the folks of the lesser mel bully who is not a very good columnist over the new york times he i. I enjoy some of his work. I i will say that. I don't think that he thinks through a lot of his own. Ideas has an opinion piece in the new york times suggesting that alexander okaz you'll cortez understands democracy aprases better than republicans do which is false a._f._c. understands literally nothing except for using instagram better than republicans do and may be dancing on rooftops but that as a matter of opinion djamil buoy says spend time talking politics on the internet or any other public forum and you'll run into this standard reply to anyone who wants more democracy in american government. We're republic. Not it's crazy. Yes because that's true you saw it over. The weekends has mel buoy in an exchange between representatives eos c. n. tan crenshaw of texas friends adventure parachute era show in a brief series of tweets okaz cortez made the case against the electoral college argued for a national popular vote to choose the president should every vote should be equal in america. No matter who you are or where you come from the right thing to do is establish a popular vote and g._o._p. Will do everything they can to fight it. Crenshaw sparred with before jumped in with the response abolishing the electoral college means the politicians will only campaign in and listen to urban areas that is not a representative democracy said we live in a republic which means fifty one percent of the population. It doesn't get to boss around the other forty nine percent and then djamil boy suggests that the crux of crenshaw's argument we live republic is wrong. He says he doesn't say not. It's crecy. It's implied by the next clause where he rejects majority rule. You can fill in the blanks of the argument from there. The founding fathers built a government stymie the tyranny of the majority they contrast republic with democracy democracy which they condemned as dangerous and unstable as john adams wrote in eighteen fourteen letter to the virginia politician john taylor democracy never last long it soon waste exhausted murders itself. There never was a democracy yet but did not commit suicide but there's a problem says djamil boy for the founders democracy did not mean majority rule in a system of representation. The men who led the revolution in and devised the constitution were immersed in classical literature and political theory engine greece in particular was a cautionary tale. When james madison critiques democracy in federalist number ten he meant athenian sort a society consisting of a small number of citizens who assemble at administer the government in person he says more modern terms the founders feared direct democracy and accounted for it's dangerous with a system of representative democracy. Yes this republican counter majoritarian aspects but it was not designed for minority rule. Nobody suggested that it designed for minority rule but if djamil boys truly suggesting that the founders were big fans of pure majoritarianism he hasn't read the entirety of the federalist papers. I'm sorry federalists and isn't the only federalist paper that like eighty of them so no that is incorrect in the federalist papers made quite clear that they were for the founders. Were very much freight faction. They're afraid of the power of majority to overrun run the rights guaranteed by the constitution of the united states the <hes> it's amazing to see buoy completely missed the point like this is virtually everything everything was geared toward producing representative majorities that could govern on behalf of the country to diminish faction in favor of consensus and in the case of the electoral college. The point wasn't to stymie majorities but to provide a way to find a competent and popular chief executive in a large nation of parochial states. Well it was to form a a an electoral college. Majority <music> out of a plurality was probably one of the purposes so it was to turn a minority into a majority in some cases and when it comes to producing representative majority overwhelming majorities founders very much in favor of fifty one percents forty nine percent. There were very much not in favor of but again this is jim boy stumping against institutions of our government that were designed to curb our lack of faith in the institutions themselves rich and now he wants to get rid of the checks and balances because ailes argument could be made on exactly the same basis for getting rid of the united states senate after all the united states senate gives the exact same number of representatives to montana which has like ten people as it does to california which has fifty million people so why shouldn't you make the same argument about getting rid of the senate of the united states as it turns out. This isn't the only attack on institutions that are media are pushing. They're also pushing attacks on our very system of immigration on borders at all. We'll get to that in just one second first. Let's talk about the uncertainty that we are seeing right now. Springing from the federal reserve springing from international currency markets do you feel uneasy with the fact that policymakers across the world are now relying on central banks to prop up their economies with inflation and deflation and raising interest rates and lowering interest rates. Maybe you're interested in investing in currency that is not dependent on the vacillation of central bankers who are now dependent and on the political whims of their masters in governments all over the world well. This may be one reason that you want to seriously consider including some cryptocurrency inner profile in your portfolio. Cryptocurrency is basically the digital equivalent of gold. What it is is a currency that is protected by blockchain. They're not manufacturing more of it. The idea is that it <unk> holds values specifically because you can't change it. There's nobody who's manipulating the currency. Each toro is smart. Crypto trading made easy. 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Learn more toro dot com slash shapiro okay hey so it is not just an attempt to undermine institutions like the electoral college or the united states senate. More and more democrats are suggesting the senate is not representative because obviously these leads not right. It wasn't created to be representative. It was created to manufacture to require the manufacture of large-scale majorities super majorities in many cases in order for the government to get anything anything done specifically because the founders feared that the institutions would not be faithfully executed the solution for a lot of folks on the left and some people on the right to is that we should just <unk> overrun all those checks and balances and really should have an effective government that gets things done the way i want them done. That is incredibly interest. Your rights are protected by the inability of the government to do things that is what the founders thought him and now you've got to new york times stumping not just against the electoral college or the senate. You've got them stumping against the very idea of borders so the new york times editorial board. They're wonderful editorial board. They have a an editorial today called the immigration system. Mm-hmm is a mess trump's. Policies are making it worse. They say it has been an eventful few weeks. In president trump's ever escalating crusade to restrict immigration on august twelfth administration announced announced rule change making it more difficult for poor immigrants to obtain green cards by giving officials more leeway in assessing who is likely to become a public charge meeting someone who relies on public services. It's good policy if you immigrate here and we think that you're going to be on welfare you shouldn't be emigrating here on august twenty first. It introduced a new rule jettisoning the existing twenty day limit on holding migrant children in detention that was designed specifically so we didn't have to separate children from parents and also so we did not have to release parents into the interior of the united states where they show up for one court hearing and then receive a provisional greencard overstay that green card and become permanent illegal residents of the united states the next day according to the times. The president reasserted his interest in abolishing birthright citizenship. The constitutional guarantee that anyone born in the united states is automatically a citizen. They say whatever it's longterm implications the president's obsession with what he has termed an immigrant invasion is already undermining the functioning of his administration and the safety of the nation. The boston globe reported last week a mass diversion of immigration officers. There's from new england to the southwest. Border will bring to a stop. The processing of nearly all forty thousand asylum requests pending in new england similarly back in march senior staff members that u._s. Citizenship up immigration services told that by year's end the agency would shut down its international division which assists overseas applicants applying to immigrate to the united states to redirect resources sources to the border crisis as if the legal immigration system needed additional stressors okay so now you're just objecting to trump redirecting resources so that we can enforce our southern border. I don't see you calling on democrats to provide additional funding so we can continue doing all of these things well ensuring safety insecurity at our southern border what the new york times wants this catch-and-release. What the new york times wants his catch and release and of story. They want open borders. They do not want people who have entered the united states illegally deported and they also don't want people who are entering the united states possibly illegally before they're before their asylum claims can be adjudicated detained. They simply want an open border where people can walk across disappearance the interior and stay forever that is pretty much the only way to read this editorial. They say they say the white house appears ambivalent about the threat of white supremacism earlier this month yemen in an reported that for more than a year the white house rebuffed efforts by homeland security to mystic terrorism a strategic priority so now they're suggesting that trump is ignoring white nationalism in favor over of immigration policy but our federal government spends four trillion dollars a year. It seems to me they should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time and if we are talking about long term affect on the united states yes white nationalism is evil. It is a problem white. Supremacism is a problem it is also a minute number of people in absolute terms or providing an outside threat as opposed to you know if you're if you're just talking about things that will affect the country on a broad level for decades to come millions of people entering the country illegally wrigley without any check and balance is going to provide a pretty significant change to the country now. Obviously that change is going to come with good. It's gonna come with bad. It's not an unmitigated evil like white nationalism white supremacism of course of course of course i'm not equating the two but to suggest that the federal government should spend all of its priority money on fighting white nationalism and none on the border is insane. That's patently crazy. The new york times though again stumping against the institution of having a border every president brings into office a particular set of principles and priorities forties but when those bias you start undercutting the government's ability to pursue smart policies or even carry a basic duties are responsible leaders think less about his personal prerogatives and more about the nation's overall overall security again. I don't see the new york times ever covering it. When illegal immigrant who is committed a crime goes on to commit more crimes i mean the fact is there are significant downsides associated with not knowing who comes into the country. This is perfectly obvious. Yes we should be spending more money and more time and more resources fighting white supremacist but this is not an either or choice at at all i it's patently insane to suggest that it is okay so we were busy. 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Go check it out right now. Okay so the media media another institution that you would figure has to provide some sort of checking balance so we no longer trust the fed. We apparently are not going to trust the electoral college. We're going to get rid of the checks and balances so what would be the check and balance balance on that well an honest media right immediate that covers the covers the people in power without fear or favor. We've got some bad news for you. Folks it turns out out that our media are not doing any of that. It turns out that our media are one-sided that our media have been kissing the asses of democrats for literally my entire lifetime and probably before while simultaneously reporting the flimsiest speculative evidence about republicans. Today's example comes courtesy of lawrence o'donnell so lawrence o'donnell donald was on m._s._n._b._c. last night and he he was with rachel maddow who is happy to engage in conspiracy theories particularly about russia and o'donnell simply dumped out there this idea that he has a source inside deutsche bank that said the president from loans were underwritten by russian billionaires close to vladimir putin again this is this is now trending on twitter right hashtag tag. Russian cosigners is now trending on twitter why because lawrence o'donnell said he has a one one source. A secret source who says that trump has russian cosigners now. I'm just going to point out a quick double standard here years back in his two thousand twelve. I was wearing breitbart news and i reported a story where i had a source and tort source suggested that chuck hagel the nominee for secretary of defense under barack obama had spoken to a group called friends of haas. It was a bad story. We shouldn't run it. It was based based on this single source. It was reported as rumor in fact. I reported it exactly the same way that lawrence o. Donald it here. I said this may not may not be true. It's rumor. Hegel has refused to respond all the rest of it. I was correctly excoriated for that head. Story shouldn't have been reported. You shouldn't report rumors. Lawrence o'donnell says on m._s._n._b._c. not only is it lended lent an enormous samantha credibility. It's now trending on twitter as an absolute fact that this happened. Here's lawrence o'donnell doing exactly what i was excoriated in two thousand twelve for doing properly but but doing it and not only that being fitted for it lawrence donald just kind of spilling out nonsense. This single source close to jamaica has told me that the trump trump donald trump's loan documents there show that he has co signers. That's how he was able to obtain those loans and that the cosigners are russian oligarchs art really that would explain. It seems to me every kind word. Donald trump has ever said about russia and putin if true and i stress the true yeah that's that is a scenario r._e._o. That i have never contemplated this true. If true if true yes and the media ran with this again. This is being widely reported. Now there is no other evidence suggests this true other than lawrence with donald's word based on a single source supposedly placed inside deutsche bank. We somehow has gotten hold of donald trump's loan documents sure sure announced trending on twitter and people are trump would be impeached because of this. Yes the undercutting your own institutional credibility believe me it didn't need trump to call you. Guys is fake news in order for you to destroy yourselves. It's pretty astonishing and there are a bevy of examples of this this week. I mean there are just a bevy of examples of the media humiliating themselves today. I mean not even this week like in the last twenty four hours so let me give you another example big headline over at the washington post. William bar books trump hotel for thirty thousand dollar holiday party. That sounds bad right. I mean it sounds like the d._o._j. Is spending money with the president's hotel. Maybe an curry favor with him or something. That doesn't sound good. There's only one problem. Here's the problem pretty much. The story is nonsense. Here's the washington post reporting attorney. General william p bar is planning a holiday treat for his boss a really is that is that what he's doing. It's a holiday treat for trump right last month. Barbequed president trump's d._c. Hotel for two hundred person holiday party in december that is likely to deliver trump's business more than thirty thousand dollars in revenue bar signed a contract a copy of which was obtained by the washington post for family holiday party in the hotel presidential ballroom december remember eighth the party will feature a buffet for our open bar for about two hundred people okay then here's the actual crux of the story bar is paying for the event himself the d._o._j. Is not covering any of this. No taxpayer dollars are being expended on this also bar only chose the venue after the other hotels in dc including the willard and the mayflower were booked according according to the g. o. j. so it wasn't like he wants. Donald trump was like you know what i'm going to slip thirty grand in your pocket here first of all trump free rich and need thirty grand a year. You didn't need to do more than that. I assumed bribe the president of the united states to do what exactly but apparently is very bad william bar. One two three separate hotels the only one that had availability the night that he wanted was trump's hotel which is a big hotel in d._c. Believe it or not they're not a lot of big hotels in washington d._c. Like in the immediate area if ever stayed in washington d._c. It really is two or three hotels. All the other hotels are home. The walls small the officials said the purpose of bars party wasn't to curry favor with the president well clearly not because he could just pick up the phone and kiss trump's asked. If you wanted to curry favor ever with trump it ain't that difficult people do it on fox and friends. All the time really not tough bar holds the bash annually okay so it's not even like he does this irregularly. He has the party every single year. He went to to other hotels trying to book it there. They were both booked soon after trump hotel any spending the money out of his own pocket and by the way this was cleared the ethics office the official said career ethics officials were consulted. They determined that ethics rules did not prohibit him from hosting his annual party at the trump hotel okay but that didn't matter on the front page of the washington post the obviously it's corruption i man i. We should totally trust armenia. Hey then the washington post had a piece yesterday around an op ed yesterday that is just disastrously stupid. The piece was by a woman marissa brost off. It was all about how the pro-life movement is truly white supremacists which is just absolute. Sheer garbage is absolutely sure garbage. One of the chief talking points of the pro-life movement is that more black babies are aborted in new york city every year than born pro-life. People want to see more babies. We do not care whether those babies are black white or green. This is ridiculous gillis. I mean if if you were talking about the pro-life movement being white supremacist presumably they'd be very much in favor of the continued access of minority people to planned parenthood earn hood because planned parenthood disproportionately performs abortions on ethnic minorities pro-life people have been fighting against the eugenicist movement for literally the entirety of the pro-life movement. Margaret sanger was a eugenicist hit the founder of planned parenthood. She was a racist eugenicist. If this is this is is insane okay but the washington post even further and running this ad okay this op at originally included the following paragraph you ready as blur controls tighten the links between pro natal ism mm and native ism have once again become visible inspired by steve king's admiring remark about gert vialed. Irs is a politician in in the netherlands isla stewart creator of a popular white nationalist nationalist blog called wife with a purpose issued a white baby challenge that went viral in all right circles. The mother of six asks audience members have as many white babies as i have contributed in that part is idiotic but here is where it gets crazy. Meanwhile as replacement discourse enters the conservative mainstream talk of birth rates comes along with it are people aren't having enough children to replace themselves. That should bother us j._d. Author of the bestselling hillbilly l._g. Told his audience at the national conservatism conference last month earlier this year he described himself as appalled by democrats permissive attitudes toward abortion advance did not need to spell out exactly who vans did not spell out exactly who included in the word our as in our people he he didn't need to know actually did need to because it turns out what he was talking about was americans. He said americans need to be having more babies. Why because it undercuts america's because culture not for all americans not to have more babies because it undercuts economy not have a future generation of taxpayers paying into our garbage upside down pyramid schemes. That's what he was talking about but according to the washington post j._d. Vans is a vicious brutal racist for no reason the washington post actually had to cut it and then they didn't even really issue a correction. They just cut the wine. Yes i totally trust our media. Another example of insane media bias today. There's a piece in the washington post washing post really covering itself in glory today. There's a piece in the washington. Post called a harvard. Freshman says he was denied entry to the u._s. Over social media posts made by his friends in spite deanna paul and susan spurred luga is myopia. Joey touched down at boston. Logan international airport on friday night prepared to begin his freshman. When you're at harvard university the seventeen year old palestinian student ever left the airport. The harvard crimson reported u._s. Officials detained for eight hours after interrogating the minor and searching his phone and computer they revoked his visa and sent him home to lebanon. Why according to a statement by showy an immigration officer claimed she found people posting political points of view that oppose the u._s. so she discovered nothing is shall we had posted himself. I shall we wrote after the five hours ended. She called me into a room and she started screaming at me. She said she found people posting political points of view that opposed the u._s. on my friends list i responded. I have no business with such posts and i didn't like share or comment on them and told her i shouldn't be held responsible for what others post then the crimson reported. I shall visa that was revoked and he returned to lebanon. Shall we did not return any messages from the postseason comment the harvard spokesman jonathan swain said an emailed statement that the university diversity is working closely with the family appropriate authorities to resolve the matter michael mccarthy's a spokesman for c._b. For customs and border protection he said the department is responsible responsible for ensuring the safety and admissibility of the goods and people entering the u._s. Applicants must demonstrate they are admissible into the us individuals deemed inadmissible based on information discovered cover during the c._b._c. Cbp inspection and the state department says visa records are kept confidential under american law so he can't discuss the details of individual cases so in other words this story sorry is solely based on a facebook account by a person who will not return phone calls from the washington post who's not turned over his social media accounts to the washington post and who story cannot be verified or disproved approved by c. b._p. By law but apparently this is indicative of the trump administration's xenophobia again solid reporting. There guys really really well done. I'm sure that's the entire story because i'm sure that a person barred from the united states and barred from their spot at harvard because he found something that profile i'm sure they would never ever feb to the media or on facebook ever now. Maybe the story went down exactly the way he said but certainly the story does not provide sufficient evidence that there should be reported this pretty insane but again they faith in our institutions is declining at a rapid rate as well it should be. I'm gonna give you another washington post story covering itself in glory in just one second. This one i think is is the height of insanity i the daily wire has turned four years old so congrats to us congrats to our employees. You keep getting paid as a thank you to our fans. We're giving away one month of our premium monthly subscription to anyone who uses this code birthday magical for all of august is we celebrate this incredible milestone. We've been giving away a free first month for new premium monthly subscribers again just use the code birthday time is quickly running out there only three days left to get this deal so subscribed today and come join. The fun also get an annual subscription. 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Or the or the federal reserve is not just that we've lost trust in the system of checks and balances that keeps all of these institutions solutions in check now. We are undermining trust in the most basic social institutions. I'm talking about the institution of family. I'm talking about institutions that are demon institutions. They're just presuppositions of civil society like language relic using terms in common like logic. You cannot have a functional republic or even a functional democracy easy. If we're not speaking the same language we have basically devolved into a tower of babel scenario so the left decided that we were all going to move in one universal universal direction it turns out that human beings have different priorities and so instead of us all speaking the same language to build something in common good or bad. We have now been devolved into this this insane co this this bizarre chaotic the treatment of language and logic means that we can never have a conversation with each other again. Let me give an example of how we can never have a conversation again. This was a piece published on the front page of the washington post yesterday and the piece was titled to some this queer couple look straight for him. That's okay for her. It feels like ally again. This is published on the first page of the washington post web site by samantha schmidt and forest milberg so i you might be asking yourself. Why is this being reported at all. Why why is this a story that a person feels uncomfortable. Person feels uncomfortable is not a story in no media the al worth their salt would run a story with that headline person feels uncomfortable with self definition. Welcome to the world where lots of people feel that way. No this article is society is cruel and mean because it will not use a constantly shifting standard for sex and gender that makes everybody feel comfortable in their own skin. That's what this article is truly about. What you're about to hear is an insane level of manipulation of language that makes no logical sense. There's no common standard no logical sense no internal structure and yet if you don't buy into the idea that words can randomly change commerical shift shit shape shifter is they can just move around then that's because you are bad so so now we're undermining human language or does not just enough to undermine the federal reserve or undermine or undermine the media now. The media are busily undermining. You'll basic human language ability to communicate with each other because after you read this piece you'll be so confused. You never want to read another piece. A hurry go when kate marie and andy arnold. I started dating in their early twenties. They were part of a tight knit group of lesbian friends in the district. The couple in their friends hung out almost every weekend. Organizing potluck dinners and frequenting ladies nights local gay bars then about two years years ago and it came out as a transgender man and as he transitioned with kate support the couple suddenly felt they no longer belonged in the women centric spaces they were used to. They tried testing <unk> out a new group of friends. A blank slate a group in which andy wouldn't have to talk about his trans identity. He said he could just blend in as a man to the new friends. They were just indian kate mandating woman and that was just who i am delighted but tecate it felt like a lie she wants to express require identity she said but how could she do that without making andy uncomfortable okay so we have to new conflicts of vision here and one vision. You have a lesbian who wants to be known as lesbian because she feels like it's a part of for identity to be a lesbian and she's dating a biological woman so that would seem to fit the criteria on the other hand. We have a society in the media that suggests that if a biological woman has surgeries and hormone treatments and believes leaves that she is a man that she is now a man which means that the formerly lesbian woman is actually straight because she is a lesbian. She's a woman who is dating a man right by so biological dialogical definition. Kate is right so she uses normal definitions of sex. You know the ones who've been using for all of human history and kate is correct but she's also insensitive have been cruel because then she think like i am right so instead. The media are purporting to provide this view. The andes natural man which means the kate is straight so who's intolerance is kate intolerance because kate doesn't consider andy and actual man or any intolerant because he doesn't consider kate natural lesbian. Which one is it the washington post cancer society is intolerant right so it's <hes> it's it's it's you. You're you reading the story you <hes> we are intolerant because we're looking at this and we thought that this is a pretty binary question right either andy as a man or andy's woman there no other choices here. There's no other choice on the board you and he's man or woman by one standard. The crazy left media insane. Same gender studies bizarro standard. Andy is man which means kate is straight by the biological definition and is a woman which means cates a lesbian. Those are the only two choices you know. You thought that this was a logical kobayashi monroe problem wrong. You are william shatner. Here has found a way out of the kobayashi meru problem his solution. When is your the bigot for reading the story and believing in logic and language wait for it. Wait for it. Okay for the couple who are now engaged should be married. There are no clear answers to this. He said no matter how much i want to separate my trans identity from who i am i can't i can't separate it from my relationship with kate because she's a queer woman. It's a daily dance chance we navigate. This tension is daily reality for many couples who feel the way others perceive. Them is at odds with who they really are. That's the sentence right there right. It's it's a daily reality for queer couples who feel that way others perceive them as at odds with you. You're not understanding enough you with your logic and your language in your definitions. You're intolerant. You're undercutting both andy and kate who lead a happy life. If you'd simultaneously agree that kate is lesbian and also the andy as a man how dare you how dare you sir. It is just ridiculous and then the article talks about how andy is quote unquote passing but andy isn't really passing because andy is aman or is andy aman unclear. Andy says i want to be a man. I don't want to have any sort of mark on me. That says i'm trends. I think if i were more inclined to do that kate now would probably have an easier time. Some people do feel like i need to represent the group. I'm a part of but not me. I just wanna blend and then the washington post really drops the hammer again. It's about you right so this bizarre situation. That clearly exposes the flaws in gender studies thinking. It's problem with you. Many americans still have a hard hard time. Grasping the fact that gender and sexual orientation are independent from each other a person's gender identity does not determine whom they will be attracted to or who will be attracted sense. You're the biggest now again. This article has nothing to do with that sort of confusion at all at all right but it's about you and your intolerance transgender and non binary the people identify as gender is different from those on their birth certificates but for example a transgender man might be attracted to women or men or both it depends entirely on the person and when a person transitions well interrelationship. It doesn't necessarily change their partner sexual orientation just because katie is no longer dating a woman doesn't mean she has no longer queer distinguishing pushing between identities and the l._g._b._t._q. Community has become increasingly complex as more categories for gender identities and sexual orientations have emerged many of them breaking with traditional non-binding with traditional binary notions terms such as pan sexual have emerged describe people attracted to frying pans under no that's sorry pan sexual emerged to describe people who are attracted to a full spectrum of gender identities. It's a double edged swords as the washington post. Okay so if your faith in your ability to understand understand human language has been undercut. That would be the point that would be the point. It's just all of this is insanity but it doesn't stop there because all of this is really in the end. This is designed to reduce all of life into objectivism. It's designed to reduce life into all of all of this objectivism. Once all of life is reduce objectivism that the only true happiness can be found within because reason and logical out the window because you really can't control your own behavior subjective visit the only thing that counts well if you're living a matters is your subjective pleasure your subjective self definition then you're going to identify as a member of a tribe with people who think like you and and then politics just becomes a question of tribal warfare. How does your tribe gain power over another tribe and that is exactly what politics is becoming because it used to be you could have a conversation with somebody who disagreed now conversations that people who disagree with you are considered for boeton. They're considered bad and wrong by the left. How do i know this well. Tell you a brief story so just a few weeks ago. I was in a room with a with dude who happens to be. I'm not gonna name him. Not gonna name the podcast having very prominent on extremely popular left-wing podcast friendly guy. We got to talking we obviously it's agree on on a wide variety of things and i said to him you know what we should do. Crossover podcasts because your podcast is popular in my podcast cast as popular. You'll get huge audiences. It'd be really interesting. It could show the conversation is still possible and he said to me. Your audience would be fine with us. I know my audience would be fine with it because my audience doesn't care if i have a conversation with somebody on the other side fact when we do my sunday special every week i have conversations of people on the other side probably thirty five percent to forty five to forty percents of the time everybody everybody from andrew yang to piers morgan right to it all the time larry wilmore. We do it a lot. I'm happy to have conversations with people on the other side of the aisle. He what he said was. My audience would kill me. His audience would not allow you in the room. They would kill me and that is that's correct. That's what politics has come down to so. Why should i trust a political system that allows that guy in his audience to dominate me. Why would i possibly be in favor of that and that's what a lot of folks on the radical left would like at this point not a conversation not a system of checks and balances that requires a super majority of americans or heavy majority of americans to agree to something to change the system which seems proper in a diverse republic no instead what they want shear power politics and they want to indoctrinate your kids into all of this and there's an article at the at the huffington post that i think is pretty telling coming along these lines by lucy rim lower is my kid fluent in racism so now we're talking about the indoctrinate children into this particular belief system radicals objectivism visit a belief that american history is awful and evil a belief that we can't have conversations with each other that we have to change human language in order to mirror your or your personal preferences the articles at huffington post the repository of all things stupid says my three year old has an uncanny ability to bust me on curse words the whole ride home home from school. He ignores my questions about his day dinner preferences upcoming activities but then sure as bleep. What did you say mommy. He has sweetly. Oh i was talking about a thing i stammer. No oh mommy. What did you say about that man in the parking lot he persists he's referring to when i expletive about a man blocking a busy parking lot i'll but i'm far more concerned about the foul l. racist language. He's going to encounter. I'm not talking about trump's racist tweets or comments. These crimes are the headline where i feel out of my depth. As appearance is the insidious heavily biased storytelling that i won't always be able to interpret for my son the language of the news it says no not merely that we're going to twist language now is we're going to indoctrinate children. In the twisting of language she says does when news stories describe latex asylum-seekers as illegal aliens or for two african american protesters seeking social justices thugs that becomes the hateful way the kids see see links an african american people perhaps including themselves his just to get this straight if you legally emigrate to the united states and you are not properly in asylum-seeker which is the vast majority of people who apply for asylum in the united states then it's racist referred using illegal immigrant and here's the example this woman us. You're ready when the nineteen ninety two who los angeles riots happened. I was thirteen years old living in l._a. Suburb now. I remember this too. I was eight years old living in an alley suburb. She says i was glued to the t._v. Alone with my parents my brothers and everyone else i knew do the lens from my experience was not the unjust acquittal of the four officers who beat rodney king known on the local news was talking about social justice. They were talking about looters and violent people burning down our city city. Yes because that's what the riots were literally people running out into the street bashing in store windows ceiling t._v.'s and beating the living hell out of truckers who got caught in the middle of the area korean shopowners were perched out on top of their stores with rifles to protect their own property the l._a. Riots were a horror show. You want to protest the rodney king verdict go for it. That's not what the l._a. Riots were. They were riots and a lot of people taking part in them or people who are looking to steal the t._v. That is just the reality of the situation was not an l._a. Uprising it was not politically motivated quote unquote uprising against authorities if it were it would have been directed at the mayor's office which is in downtown l._a. That is not what happened but apparently if you called the riots what they were than this is an element of bigotry and racism so we are evolving into a society where you can't even have a common the conversation which of course undermines the faith in the institutions but then also you don't want the institutions of checks and balances to stop you from beating up the other guy so you want to get rid of the checks and balances institutions that you can't trust the most you control them. This is how you get to tyranny pretty quickly. This people who don't want to have a conversation with anybody living in the same country with them on the other side but desperately want to cram down their policy preferences on people on the other side of the aisle and it's this is not going to end well in any way shape or form. It's going to get worse and worse unless people come back to the table and start having conversations again but i don't think those conversations are possible possible in our current political climate. That's for damn sure okay. Quick thing. I like and then a quick thing that i hate so a thing that i like. I have to admit i laughed really hard hard at this so bernie sanders apparently was speaking in louisville kentucky when he stopped by the hamad mohammed ali museum allie of course the greatest headway boxer all time and bernie sanders decided decided that he was going to take a turn on the speed bag now as somebody who exercises frequently. I am not a person who is great with the speed bag in the gym where you actually have to practice with it. Bernie sanders apparently thought that he could get away with this. It did not go well for him. You should subscribe just to see this clip. He's eighty years old. You hits the speed bag it comes back at him and it nearly knocked him out nearly gets kayode by the speed bag which makes sense because if the speed bag is logic then and bernie sanders getting kayode he hits the hits the logic logic comes right back at him and he gets i mean the wild overreaction bernie sanders almost breaking a hip here. That's pretty spectacular stuff off. I would say that that bernie sanders you know that that is the only thing he is worse than punching a speed bag apparently than jabbing at a speed bag like an octogenarian because he is one is his take on china so this transitions into things. I hate to just do it right here. Here's bernie sanders yesterday suggesting that china has done a wonderful job alleviating getting poverty as though communism and socialism are responsible for that and not the market capitalism the free market capitalism that the chinese authoritarian regime has taken part in at least partially really it was that embrace of open markets and free trade that allowed china to raise a billion people from poverty in thirty years because before that china had a different way of alleviating poverty that was killed forty million people in the great leap forward. I think china is a country that is moving unfortunately in a more authoritarian way in a number of directions and we would have hoped that they would move toward a democratic more democratic form of government and moving in the opposite direction but what we have to say about china in and fantas to china and its leadership is not mistaken they have made more progress in addressing extreme poverty than any country the history of civilization good for them. I mean the bernie sanders loves him. Some some communist authoritarianism again. There's only one problem which is that the reason and that poverty was alleviated in china has nothing to do with the communism in everything to do with embracing free trade that literally everything to do with opening itself up to different markets and embracing in capitalist commerce right. That's what is was. It was the the the emphasis on practicality over communist doctrine. Now you should ping is trying to reverse a lot of that stuff. Okay time for a quick thing that that i hate so speaking of the media undercutting its own credibility. There is something deeply amusing about chris matthews on m._s._n._b._c. complaining about burke bag politics dirtball politics of digging up people's old tweets and using them against them. I'm pretty sure this is what m._s._n._b._c. does. At the behest of media matters on a near daily basis. Here's 'cause maj as saying. It's just terrible people dig up stuff on journalists. What are they gonna find out may come in here. My hair rumpled every morning rowlonin here. Don't even prepare for early. Show it's kind of just jabber on about random things and what are they gonna find. I met you remember that time. I had a lot about obama. I hope they don't find what i was doing backstage as weird art. Let's talk about the bag politics digging up bad stuff on people which we do daily. Let's go dirtball politics. Catch this trump. A lot allies unleashing dogs on journalists now point together op research and compiling dossiers of potentially embarrassing social media posts on an attempt to try to discredit intimidate whatever chill reporters wants their media to stop reporting on him objectively so they're going after people's families people work for them in their corporate in their organizations nations anything to stop people from reporting on him. This is exactly what joe mccarthy did exactly. What joe mccarthy didn't we do it. Also it's bad one day and it's really really a good radio. 'cause we're speaking truth to power. This is very reminiscent of when folks on the left decides redefine racism so that racism isn't just bigotry against another racial group it it is bigotry combined with power. This allows the left to redefine racism so that if somebody who is black is racist. They're not racist because they don't have power in seville hanno. Mar ends is being anti semitic. She's not actually a bit because she doesn't have enough endemic institutional power or the the the very much like this. This is the media saying very bad when they had very good and redo it. It's pretty spectacular if i decide to dig up people's tweets. That's something i'd do over here but if you dig up an old tweet how much i wanted to massage barack obama's foot. That's that's awkward for me. I don't like it very much trying to undercut my objective journalism subjective. Pa yeah good stuff media. We definitely will continue to trust you. Get one more quick thing that i hate so beta iraq demonstrating again that if you ask a democrat question about abortion things get supremely ugly so the fellow who actually asked me to work this question called into who are radio show yesterday and told us this story pretty simple question bego blows it like a like a like a marijuana. They like a doobie area. Here's beta going for it. My question is this. I was born september number eight nine thousand nine hundred nine and i wanna know if you think on september seventh nineteen eighty-nine my life had no value of course. I don't think that and of course i'm glad that you're here but you you reference my answer in ohio and it remains the same same. This is a decision that neither you nor i nor the united states government should be making. That's a decision for the woman to make so in in other words. I'm glad you're here but also if your mom had killed you the day before you learn you then i guess you wouldn't be. You're asking me this question would you that would mean my life a lot easier is your by the way. I think what we've all learned from. This particular segment is i really need to get up on my drug vernacular because it is not strong already. We'll be later. We'll be here later today with two additional hours of contents otherwise. Is you here tomorrow. I'm ben shapiro. This is the ben shapiro show. 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The Bottom of the Slippery Slope? | 6/12/20

Pat Gray Unleashed

1:34:21 hr | 1 year ago

The Bottom of the Slippery Slope? | 6/12/20

"Pat Gray is here on the? Radio Network Good Morning American. Friday fun yet. I think so right, yeah! WHO's having fun? Raise your head if you're having fun right now, 'cause. Man. I'm having the time of my life. Yeah, I. Think Everything's perfect. Wow everything is also. We've solved every part of a team, so we're done. Yeah, we're done good night. Yeah, it's great. I think Jeff Microphone is. Everything's perfect remember you just said everything is awesome except for his microphone now everything's perfect I think you're on now. No, you're not. He's not on. Why would he be may maybe just take a moment here. Once once we figure out in their Hou- turn on his microphone. Can we just right on like a three by five card? Tape it to the wall behind the console and call it done. Is that oh? Yeah, I I like the. Let's please. Thank you. It's not a surprise I mean every Wednesday every Friday. It's part of the deal. Late forties. So. You know what I love is in a time of. Just incomprehensible occurrences there anything more incomprehensible than what's been allowed to happen in Seattle Washington right now. I mean. It is. It's. Real you just said Wednesday about the warlords. Now we have a warlord. He claims he's not a warlord. About peace. Yeah, Yeah Marasmus! Razzmatazz is a good guy. He's A. is it Razzamatazz. No Rids RAZZING CHAZ okay razz! But police. Vacated a six block radius in our mob rolled into fill the vacuum. That's great. Actually declared. There are no longer part of the United States of America. They have AK forty sevens. They have said that they WANNA take out every. Police precinct in Washington and Oregon. That's their goal. Wow, two state area. supposedly people who live in the neighborhood have to check in with them. Of course they have to check in of course. Yeah, that's America right or no, no that Americans. Not Americans better than. It's better. Everybody wants to check in when they go into roll into their neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's a bunch of peace in love and business. Owners have to pay to enter. Holds. Sounds like Mogadishu, doesn't it? The governor told the mayor to back down. They need a place to protest. A, what I just help and instead of immediately sending in an overwhelming force whether that would include the National Guard. I Dunno a massive show of state troopers local cops. The Navy Seals. A United States Marine Corps whatever but rather than do anything. To reverse this unfathomable situation. the mayor in the city and the governor of the state of instead attacked the president of the United States of course, saying anything about it of course. I'm surprised. I thought the governor wasn't aware of it. Yeah, yeah, in fact, he was just ask the other. Be Feigned low. Lying sack rap all. Do you mean are? Not Aware of. You know I've heard all my life. Of. Autonomous Zone. What's your thoughts on the fact that the testers have taken over? Hold on. To, Okay I was waiting for history. 'cause we've got the issue of what's happening in Seattle on one side of this guy bouncing up and down might be worse than the actual situation itself. Got The signer okay. This sightscreen, the sign guy. What are you doing a lot of stopping? Intimated. We found out the animation. That's off the automation. A lot of copying this guy's veins. Too much. This guy campy real, so try to pay attention to the question answer if you can, you will be so distracted if you're watching this right now. Let's hear it. Over not. Go freely. Darn. Well that's news to me so I'll have to reserve any in about. Twelve. that. From any. Credible source! Credible. Four. Spouse an opinion I should know of which I speak. At the. National Guard. And we is, there is a takeover of a street in Seattle more their barricading. Getting people out the protesters are, would you? Hypothetical look gotTA. Have Safety sure that people will find a way to have public safety everywhere. In the state I'm confident of that. the National Guard demobilizing over hundreds of more deem of yesterday I. Don't know if they're completely destabilized at this point or not, but if not, that'll be shortly. I believe good, okay, I, don't know who's worth inslee or or the signer the jumping sign. It's gotta be the most outrageous one yet. Bizarre you don't need the national guard or anybody to go in there and root out what's happening there now. Let confident. Everybody's safe in Washington but they're gonNA eat theirselves. Because yesterday boy they were, they were at each other's throats already day to play that audio of a couple of the leaders having a chance. Pet. When I? Out Don't show the black community. But he's black. Color. Only. The thing. Point of four. Book. From bickering back and forth. You. Good hands at these. This is unreal. That nell Carter running the show. Six feet men. It's not even funny. It's not. They're going to destroy themselves. PATHETIC HOURS! Sending sending somebody of. America I can't believe it's. America well, okay, let's near America. Very close. By. The Capitol Hill. Autonomous? ALWAYS GONNA call it own man. Short for autonomous, so let's call it the the autozone man I mean. They expect it to be some sort of Utopia and. You talk, doesn't it yeah? They're going to be turned each other up. Eating each other. And then you're less. Somebody goes in there and does something. And the president said if you're not going to do this I well with a tactical nuke somebody suggested. With the National Guard, the Marines the Navy Seals I. don't care who you do it with. Just do it with somebody. Well GNC just said we cut down two thirds of the forces available to us right now. He's acting man. This is unbelievable. It is going to let them stay. They're going to I agree, but don't accept these people. These people in charge are just gonNA. Let them stand. And if you don't wow, shut the first one or two down. The other cities will follow right Oh. You're so right now, Bush while no question so now you're looking at you, know I. I! Has already tried to do this talk about warlords gang lords, good luck, drive the remember the days when you used to be able to drive the interstates and not stop right. You'll be stopped right. Up there already starting to toll going into that area, you're GONNA pay your tolls and you're GonNa if you WANNA get in and deliver goods, you have to be guarded by our people just and carry it around. AK47's I thought that was a really intimidating. Horrible thing to do even though you can't do what you shouldn't do it and you know. There are times would I would agree with that you know. Maybe you don't take your AK47 to church. Maybe. If it could fit in your holster. Is that the only example you can come up with yes? Yes. And I'm not even positive about. Say. It can sure that. But Now. They got these. Douche bags out carrying around A.. K. forty-sevens in. It's fine. Yup, okay, it's fights peaceful. They're doing a great job. What they're wonderful. This is great. It's Chaz. Don't you love Chas I know and win, it happens. When it happens it's. Probably inevitable that it's going to happen It's we're GONNA going to be ugly. And it worse gangs about like Los Angeles or New York WanNa be. It'll be wonderful then when you've got the street gangs running the run of the town. Problem now be great everything. It'd be great. You never heard my whole life. I believed all my life. That the United States would not and could not fall from a foreign power. The biggest threat is always been falling within. and. I mean if this isn't. The first signs of doing that I. I don't know what is. Can you believe some of the things we have to talk about? I can't believe I can't unreal. There's a fantastic book that was written in. Nineteen sixty nine. Called an enemy. Half done this. And it's by former agriculture secretary. As retest Benson. Yes. He was asked secretary, but in full disclosure. He's also the head of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I consider him prophet carrying AK forty seven. He did not carry forty-seven, but he did. Warn us about. Communism warned us and like. Minded groups like this. That would bring down this country. I. Back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty nine. It was hard to imagine that really I mean. We just had the rights of sixty but I. don't think it was this bad. Then I don't remember the Chaz. Thanking Sixty eight right? It's happened now now. They did shutdown cities though. There was a lot of parts of. Stuff yeah, yeah, there was it was. It was bad, but when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties. I, it was hard to imagine, but you believe in in the main streets. Yes, even in the mean streets. Even in the mean streets of Helena. Where you're ducking all the time all the time you know, you're doing the marine still hard to believe it's still hard to believe. Now I could see. It's happening so easily. It's happening right now. It is happening, then you. You can, you can see it. Go from zero to sixty. Yeah in a split second now. I mean we are. We're already at forty where we've gone from zero to forty. Already. I mean I. How much faster does this? Disintegration of our civilization have to have to go before we realize while we better get a grip and we'd better get a grip right now. But I don't know how you do that when we're so divided I when people hate trump like they do. And they blame everything on him. When instead. And this is coming from the left this. This is all leftist garbage in a way. We're dealing with things we've been saying look you find you. Take that part over there. We'll take this part of we're hearing. We'll successful yes. Has. Six blocks, and whatever else you want, west Seattle share Joe, your six. You want to say that you want to say that we do, but dammit. This is America I don't want that to happen. Unless we're going to divide it up and say okay liberals, you take Washington, Oregon and California will. We'll take Texas in fact. Bring all the conservatives down here and we'll. We'll just do only Texas you take the rest of the country and we'll beat your butts into the ground in industry. In productivity in freedom in every single wait imagine. Pound you into the dirt. Well, you guys are getting triggered over the word lease bright. We'll be over here. Dominating World Industry Yep, we'll be trading with other nations We'll have plenty of energy and power you guys will try to make the wind and solar thing work, and you'll be out of energy completely, and you'll be begging for us to help. And someone will, and and I don't know not not an agreement. Not In my agreement. Because part of the agreement is when you collapse. Don't come whining to us. Oh, don't come to us because we're not going to do any. A truckload that I wanted to. Nope don't come wine and. You Got California go out there and maybe do some offshore drilling. You, want it to look nice from the B.. Side right here. Yes, the agreement. That's right side. That's right, so see you. Wouldn't want to be. And that's where we're not you. All Right, let me tell you about. A great way to keep your hair. If you've been losing hair and you're starting to freak out about it, there's no need just go to keeps keeps dot com slash pat keeps kfi EPS offers generic versions of the only two FDA approved hair loss products on the market. These are the real deal, and they cost a lot less obviously than the brand names. So all you have to don't even have to leave your home this. You don't even have to leave your home for this. Okay. There was no. Guitar if every time said. So just go online answer. A few questions snaps pictures of your hair and post those and then a doctor reviews all your information and will recommend the right. How hair loss treatment for you! 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To crack down on the protesters, declaring on twitter, that domestic terrorist taken over Seattle exactly. That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened. You tried to portray them. I on believable. Can you imagine? Can you just imagine for a minute? The New York Times reaction if during Obama. Some Alicia Group some right wing militia group to. Part of Dallas Texas. And declared it autonomous. They'd be calling him domestic terrorists. They'd be called an armed militia. anti-government radicals racists. I mean. But, they're fine. They're fine with these people I. How can it be? So The Times continued. He made. ANTIFA claims despite claims by President Trump and attorney general William P bar. There is little evidence that loosely organized anti fascist or a significant player in protests. There's all kinds of evidence that Antifa is part of this and a big part of it. Where are these? Where are these people getting all of their money for the things that they're doing in Seattle. Where are they getting the money for the the medical tents that they've set up and the free medical care? They're giving to people on street corners. Where are they getting the money for the food that is being set up and given away for free as trying to win the hearts and minds of the people because they know they're going to need something because they're falling apart already I mean two days in there already at each other's throats, and they need food and water. They need food. They need water. They need everything and and so they're trying to ingratiate themselves by offering free medical care right now and free food to people well. Where are you getting the money for that? Somebody's paying for that. Are. These are are these poor people paying for that? No, I don't think so. No think you know. Somebody's involved with that. Anticipate George Soros I. I don't know who somebody I mean I don't know if you know this you're not. You're not planting fields on third street. You know there. Are you sure well. No, no! No. Thank you, thank you. How many times have you been to third street in Seattle? No. That's not a like a Cornfield in Iowa. pissed me off Jaffe. Acting like you so knowledgeable about Seattle. Even. Know what kind of might be growing wheat and barley there right now. What kind of crops do they grow in Seattle? Do you have any idea, corn and beans, corn and bean? Gordon? George Bush trying to do a trade deal with Chas yes the. President I. Work together to ensure a smooth transition trade and dealing with sensitive issues, such as a corn and beans. Back in the day. How? How? How? Sensitive people were about awarded bs I remember the corn and bean riots thought we'd always insist I thought we had passed it no. No investor and we've got chaz trying to grow crops on third street like. Right. To sensitive man, that's what set this whole thing off was corn and bean agreement? Hindsight Twenty twenty I'm all right. You're right, and when you're right, you're right. She's. So anyway. just to finish up on the mainstream media and their leftist allies. You know. How do we come together? When when they when they hate trump so much that he can't even mentioned that. Hey, you might wanna take back Seattle I. Don't know. Maybe we don't let him have that. Maybe maybe we don't let them do that. It's called me crazy and they do. they? They bashed in for it. Trump said. Take back your city now. If you don't do it, I will. This is not a gain and Durkan. The mayor of Seattle responded with. Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker. tonker thing is unbelievable to me. They still won't let that go. Which? Meanwhile the insurgents said I like this to the more we encourage and focus on the race thing. The greater our attention is not focusing on the fact that this is class warfare. Thank you for for admitting that he so he saying. Can we stop doing the race thing because it's not about that? It's about class warfare because these are Marxists. And their goal is Marxism. This is a twenty eight year old self described anarchist named Frederick's. So now we finally we finally get down to it and he calls himself a self described. He calls themselves. It isn't isn't just a mystical thing, right? This isn't trump saying. Hey, that's an anarchist. This is him saying. Hey, I'm an. ME. So thank you, Fredericks for telling us that it has nothing to do with George Floyd. It doesn't have anything to do with systemic racism. It has everything to do with Marxism and fundamental transformation of America that was promised us by by Barack Hussein Obama. and. They're just trying to put the finishing touches on that right now. Man. By the way, yes, I was telling you few minutes ago. That rapper warlord. RAZZ denies that he's he's a warlord really razz simone. he says the the has been nothing but peaceful. Oh! So. So it's it's you know it's good well. What about the forty-sevens? Those are instruments of peace I'm sure. He's. Piece Yeah anybody who mouths off would you shoot him in the head and people should be able to seven. Come and go as they please right. You don't need to set up like walls checkpoints. We gotta make sure that that everybody coming through is peaceful. We don't want to let police officer slipped through, but everybody should be welcome. I don't know well everybody, but you know the bad people. Anybody, who is a trump supporter. Who is a law enforcement official? Anybody who is part of the old government? We can't have any of that. That's no no anybody WHO's an entrepreneur. We don't want that. We don't want your capitalist. Joie, Z., Royer, right? We're trying to grow crops on Third Street. Thank you. We got the wheat and barley finally starting to sprout up through the concrete. Cut The corn and beans are on four. Don't walk on the seedlings. Go on the sidewalk. Thank occupied, yeah! And don't bring us any of your Bucci sauce up. No! Seriously for that actually no! New York. Let's build walls against that. Out. And you'd be amazed at all the things that qualify as boost. Lives happy that list for you. Shake fillet sauce qualifies as she. Seattle doesn't. Delicious Seattle doesn't want our government involved in trump involved. Maybe they would be good with the nation of Italy sending over there. Police Force because this is how they. Deal with the unruly protesters over there. You make contact with them. Watch this watch. What happens in Italy? When antifa makes the slightest bit of content? They've been warned. There's no on on this, but but yeah. Go That's not funny. I was laughing at a joke I was thinking of from last night. Yes. To me because look at the ANTIFA Guy, just run down the street away from the literally call themselves Antifa or whatever in Italy. Chu. Yeah, that would make sense that. They've actually had they've actually had. Government both yeah we have not. Over here we have not and do not. But. Wow, they really went after it watch again. That's amazing I. Mean They? Just they let them sneak up. Reap up closer, and then the batons come out all right and and ANTIFA in Atlanta. Up to the cops they're slowly. Don't don't. Don't touch nothing out game over. The thing is they're trying to provoke. Yes. They want that to happen, so they have visual market days. Fascist bullies rock. Star troopers. That's. What I'm afraid of in Seattle and other cities, so my send in when we send in whatever. We've got to do that, I mean we have to do. We got to send the National Guard and they need to be armed, and they need to root these people out, and this has to be stopped in this country. It's got to be stopped. Such a hateful hate mongering thing to say. As a monger in hatred right right but. Call me, crazy I just kinda think the United States shouldn't have little factions of. Warlord areas. Still on the air got. Thinks. He's talking. Right now, okay? I know that's pretty radical thought it is grounded thought. Man When we should allow them Ju just loot. And riot and seize control. Of and. We! Have No. Did you ever think. That Looting would be acceptable that when people looted. And looted people in. In. Minority areas minority owned businesses and completely destroyed them. People Say I. They're expressing themselves. Yeah, it's justified. Unjustified tweet Thomas Soul had basically addresses this point a love, so he's still brilliant. Yeah, yeah, look at that. So he he tweeted out. Let's see. Have we reached the ultimate stage? This is a stupid question. We'll ask these kind of because we just I know we can't. We can't wrap our minds around it. Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today. Obviously brilliant obviously. Obviously we re should have and then some the Oh yeah, so so if you are white today nearly two hundred years. Since slavery was radically did wrong born. Nineteen! But the looters looted and destroyed buildings. They're not at fault. Because the I. Don't know they're tough. Yeah, they've already owed. The ended already taken stuff from them for years and years and years. It's not about just the it's just about taking. It doesn't mean anything. Taking. The sixty, nine, hundred symbolic. Yes, Pollick! homegirl from sixteen, thousand nine hundred yeah. Homegirl homegirl from I came whatever name is? Talking about the Pulitzer Prize winner I sixteen nineteen project. Yeah, ever you know, but you're right. It was symbolic taking. On Real I'll give her credit and think of her name here in a second I keep using that word I don't think you know it doesn't I know. Gets more and more real, doesn't it? It sure does all up in here. With my real ones. So when do we actually get around the harvesting third, Street Jesse like when I first of all I didn't realize they were doing it okay. I got to think they were doing it, so you're going to see some proof, okay? Gray. The. Tripling nine, hundred, thirty, three, ninety, three, also pat unleashed on twitter. There's just so much that we're trying to. Figure out some way to organize it all into. A coherent presentation I. Don't think there's any way to do that. because. I've never seen. While there been plenty to talk about for about. I don't know fifteen straight years. Yeah I remember when I got into talk radio there. There were some days it were slow. You remember this absolutely once in a while. You were struggling slow news day like. To say Slow News Day that's that's completely. Obsolete that? Perhaps. You don't use that for. No you don't and you'd come up with bits that you no longer exist. In today's world those those. Eggs have been. torn up and burned. Yes, no longer exist right. Exactly you heard them. If you heard them live now. You didn't hear him. You didn't hear. That you actually didn't correct. All Right? Let me get a sheer tweets with you from Carolina bulldog. I seriously think we should just let the Chaz play out. They'll begin to eat each other in short order. They already are true. When it's over in the mayor and governor come looking for money to clean it up. Tell them to pound sand. That is tempting this it is Faye Dra tweets Why not just cut off communications, power, water and other utilities? That's what they should do, yes. Cut Off oil and gas pipelines, supply lines in all Municipal County State and federally funded service and treat autonomous zones as hostage situations. They also the other thing that we're doing other than medics on street corners, and some food or snacks or whatever they were given out, they were also. They also set up garbage pickup. Can you believe not so? WHO's paying for that right? WHO's paying for the garbage pickup? Come on now. It's not just a bunch of Ragtag. People Hey, you know what. I got a couple extra bucks. Let's do some garbage services Valeria. Sanitation truck it here. I don't know about you, but forty bucks a month for that to come twice a week so if you're paying for everybody in his six block radius. That's good. That's GONNA cost you some money go. I'M GONNA. Have to go with your company I think. A little bit more you take. Maybe. Myself. The CHAZ director tweets already. Chances of being allowed to exist is a commune to prove. Communism will fail after a week. Either that or the liberal leadership is scared. Comrade snoopy. Twenty. Do the rioters in the Chaz Seattle zone realize they're playing the part of the villains in the Dark Knight. Taking over a city going against police, starting their own kangaroo court of criminals. Don't know if I need popcorn or more guns. They talked about this one guy. WHO's there on the scene talked about how. Somebody inside chas was accused of stealing something, and so they stood around him, angry mob, and one guy had a baseball bat in his face. So it's already. It's fun. It's fun and chess. Yeah, the the immediate vigilante justice will be great for me I think they're going to enjoy that. You just got to keep really in line. Yeah, right so they're peaceful guy in the hallway tweets in Washington state. Governor Somehow, didn't know about Chaz yet. The news agencies in Spokane did. That's right. Also. From gender gender face these signers. The like the one in Jay inslee speech yesterday. These CIDERS are progressively becoming weirder and weirder. One Guy looks like he's directing symphony. This last one is dancing to rap music. If I were governor, I'd hire a stripper in a bikini to twerk. What sites? Let's be clear, so would i. I'm really surprised so. Yes Jeffey, running for Governor of Chad at the same time at the same time. They're signing, and you know maybe dancing around Paul. Maybe just put some links up to the websites Haas so really. It's the some of your site so just to promote them on air. Just whatever you're a marketing genius you. Talk About your websites slip that in there. What! Not Going. Oh Man. Yeah Good Times. I wonder what Chaz. Bono is thinking right now. You know always here in the Bay, Co.. His. Or Her? Just just just just there, he they contract. That's good. The yeah. They stole their name. Not, I like this team that's been going around. If twenty twenty was a swing. This, we've had the slide. It's a cheese grater. It'd be now. We've got into a brick. Again the year, not half over. We're getting close though. LISTEN TO YOU MR getting close. Also we have a little a shot of. Is this Al Sharpton Getting into his private plane? This is great. I don't know if he's just renting a private plane or if he owns one. Does it matter their way Volunteers by the end up going to a funeral. First Class. We have to go beyond first class. You've got to go private. Look I mean he's. That's a nice ride that that's a nice ride, boys and girls. And she's. A nice he's. He's worried about income inequality. Yes look over the land. Get onto my back to New York. He came to Houston just A. The funeral heap grits, and just remember it was last year reported. He takes a million dollar salary from his charity. That's a million dollar salary from his charity, and he's not by to plain. Know what he's got. Those he's that's being paid for either by charity or somebody that you know is. There's no way he's by his charity. A to that's right, yeah! The hypocrisy. Is just it's too much. It's too much. David Harris June. This is awesome. You'RE GONNA. Love this David Harris. Junior's is a black man who has a message for white people that I. Think you. You'll appreciate. A great deal is into this. Friends I am seeing something that is completely disturbing to me and when I say to me. I mean as an American I. Then? I mean as a member of the black community. I'm seeing people white people. That are getting down on their knees. And asking for forgiveness for nothing that they ever did wrong. Thank, it is disgusting yet. I understand so many people out there in the white community you want to say I'm not a racist. You feel this guilt. You feel guilty over the color of your skin. And you feel guilty. Because the mainstream media and black folks wants you to believe that oppression is your fault that racism is your fault that all the injustices that black folks have ever gone through your fault will they are wrong? They are dead wrong. You don't have to feel guilty for anything. If, you're a good person. If you're somebody that treats people with respect with dignity, you care about your family. You care about other. You may not even see color. All of this is just totally foreign for you. So many messages I'm getting from. People say it's foreign. I'm not a racist I never looked at people like that. That is the majority of America friends yet. We've got a mainstream media. That is hell bent on creating racial division in this country and it's disgusting. It disgusts me and it's sad that so many good people out there feel the need to say I'm not a racist, and I'm sorry for my ancestors, and you are actually getting down on your knees in front of black folks friends. Those black people are racist. I'm just going to say it is. They are the real racist and you don't couch Oh to racist. Any color. As if men for. Wow. I. Could tell. He felt that so strong. Practically, we'll use in tears at the end. Yeah and. That's only a small portion video. We're going to post the whole thing right now. At Pat unleashed on twitter. Where would that be at? Pat Unleashed on twitter. All right good. There's a rumor that you can also go to youtube and see some stuff yeah. Chewing the fat with Jefferson. Secretive He's talking about Youtube Dot. Com Slash Pat Gray I'm sorry I misunderstood. You have. Channels. Is that what you're doing? You're Jeffy sites. No course all turned into one thing. You never know now right now. I understand today and you can't guarantee this forever. Obviously, it's free. Is that true? You know what I've heard that? I just got the open up the email because I wasn't sure if it was going to be today, I just got the free the youtube. Channel and the podcast at a super generous today Super Jerry's. All you have to do is just subscribe your manager Mike Free. Any moment! I'd love it if you subscribe to the pack channel as well And the podcast that way you get the notifications and all that soon as it's ready. Ding on your phone or whatever obnoxious alert there is. Putin on a ridge. Tweets I've found that along with coffee. The Pat Screech is what keeps me going every day. The PAT screen do it again and. Trade. Mocking Hold on a second Putin owner, it's hang on a second. We have a video that a montage of the media. Talking about xactly with this will, this will elicit. The PAD screeches possum. I'm very exactly what David was talking about them in his video. It Well if you think you're not racist, you could be right, but in this day and age. That's simply not good enough. What I did wrong in two thousand sixteen. If I think I'm not racist. I might not be, but that's not good enough. Good enough. What are you not? Start this over I. mean that's incomprehensible for. Racist. You could be right in this day and age. That's simply not good enough. What I did long in two thousand sixteen. Wow! Is that overestimated? The biggest terror threat in this country is white men. Most of them radicalized to the right. Those white guys, those middle, aged, boring, nerdy, looking white guys. White people have been probably woefully late to this conversation, but I'm not willing to let white voters hook. Do you believe that the white folks actually care about racial injustice? It doesn't appear that we do mean the status. Quo Of our society is racism, and it's comfortable for white people. Because we're white, we have. We have had privilege even the poorest of US I. I said. Here is a privileged white woman I. CanNot Imagine I appreciate you educating us. It's very hard to talk about the issue of race. White people particularly don't know how to do it I call it. White Man's blaming us this idea that white people are checked on racism, which is outrageous, weird, the least objective, the most dangerous white privilege is to think that we can sit this justice struggle out twice time to check our bias at the door and lean into the discomfort that is necessary for real change. It is incumbent upon people who hold the power in this society to help to do that to do the heavy lifting and guess who that is. Who is more people. Why don't you start Chris Chris you start? I don't talk much, but when I do make account. Oh Pat how you doing over there a good video, right? Kind of sums up the media right there and. Makes you want to say. Sort of makes you want to say, it does more than that. Sh- like shut the something up. That's how long. It. Might. Be a good time to revisit now I mean these self-loathing white people manage. Go ahead and flog yourselves. All of you just go ahead and and flog yourselves that. Do it every day you know until you bleed to death 'cause you don't deserve to live obviously. Those kinds of awful awful people. Speak for yourselves. 'cause the rest of US I. Mean we've been talking about race nonstop? Higher Life. Me White? People haven't been part of this conversation. All we've done buzz talk about race weight. No time has stood still since the since Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated. Time has stood still. Nothing has moved forward since then Martin Luther King. Would absolutely despise and loathe. What's going on right now? He would not be okay with this. This was not his message was not okay, but you're white, so you're not allowed to I'm not even allowed to speak. That's true. That is true. But what you just told me I needed to be a part of the conversation media assocation. They tell you to shut up. You don't know what you're talking about this. Imagine the black experience and that same clip. Don Lemon what? He said that. That's whites planning now that's whites planning and then at the end of that clip. What was he saying to Chris? Cuomo you, what people need to start talking? visit. Well look. Coming up on people who hold the power in this society to help to do that to do the heavy lifting and guess who that is, who is it? Who is Chris People yeah, but earlier in the. She says wipes planing. Give you a little bit of a good feeling here just to end the segment maybe. An official in Georgia who stood up to Chris Cuomo in his bull crap on this happens to be on the topic of voter suppression on Tuesday. Promote voting issues in Georgia, long lines all this good stuff, and so this interview he sits down with a guy who runs the elections in Georgia. Chris Cuomo tries to catch him. You know and says look you know what's going on there and this official says look man. We're not suppressing the vote. We've been early voting for weeks. We've been doing mail in ballots. We've had Saturday voting. Okay, we've done everything we can so Chris Cuomo strikes out there, and then he tries again to pin him down on something else I agree with you that you knew that you had anticipation of a huge turnout you had to prepare for. It doesn't seem you did and it seems convenient that if you're going to be able to not handle the demand, it's nice thing you can do it in. Places tend to vote Democrat. In in those counties for people who? Tend to be Democrats are run by Democrats and they are the ones who set the election sports they they're the ones who hire the stack. We have been saying for years. Problems Fulton County is paid hundreds of thousands of fines for violating election rules. At. I mean somebody finally stands up. The same person who prepped Chris Cuomo for this interview about voting is the same person that prepped Bill Maher for his interview with Dan Crenshaw. Places on voting right I. mean the the county where this problem is that? Is that the city of Atlanta that is a Democrat stronghold for decades. They're the ones that screw this up. Not The Republicans that run the state. Chris winded long lines at the voting booth. Become voter suppression. Okay we got we got a heavy. That's a good question. We have a heavy. It used to be a heavy turnout. Such a heavy turnout forty. Nine. Now that's voter suppression. Thank you. Thank you because I pulled up and I was saying to vote, but the line was so long I just decided to go back. My Gosh, did you sue? The government has my vote was suppressed. Can I tell you that's your fault for not staying there because it wouldn't kept it open till you made your vote just didn't feel like it. No I was suppressed was along. Okay, right? That's that's right now Anderson. Okay I'm sorry. I'm sorry that there were more people they're. Unbelievable. Let's sure is unbelievable. I guess the long lines at Disney. Are Our ride suppression? Park suppression. Really don't want you to get on those Ryan. Grade on showed morning Baragan. Friday feel good day. Feel good week and feel good year and United States of America welcome to it. Thanks for being here. Beautiful Day in the Republic of Chas as well. I'm sure as the sunrise is out, West. I can only imagine i. Can only imagine. I'm Pat Gray also. Here's the other guy. Some people call them keep Melanie. Jeffey has joined us out of his bunker. Now talk about somebody being in there bunker. Sixty days seventy days. Eighty days. Wow, yeah, right eighty, maybe just less than eighty because I came in the Friday that Friday, which was the seventy eighth day so okay, so you made it quicker than somebody took a balloon around the world. Thank you isn't there. A movie called around the world in eighty days yeah. Yeah Are, those related what you're saying there. Yes, Oh, yes, there distant cousins! So armee at a giant balloon, your L.. Possibly get into a giant well. You might be able to get into the basket, but the it ain't going anywhere. I think we know that. How are you going to do is titled? Yeah just sits there. I. Don't I don't know it's physics physics. I don't make universal law I just live by it. Okay all right. Better Fun Week though. That's the word and what what's really cool. Is that never have so? Many leftists loved NASCAR racing right more than the leftist this week. Man, that's a fact. It can't say enough good things about NASCAR who completely? Completely just caved into everybody's. Visceral demands I mean. I'm not a fan of the confederate flag I've got no title at all I wanted the union to win that well, you know. I wasn't there at the time. But I'm pleased that the Union won the in the United States stayed together. And got rid of slavery. so out really I don't really care about the confederate flag and NASCAR events, but now you know they've been banned on the cars for a long time and on NASCAR PARAPHERNALIA, but if A. If a fan wanted to bring one. They let them now. You can't even do that. NASCAR statement was the presence of the confederate flag. At Nascar events runs contrary to our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all fans. Well they want a welcoming and inclusive environment for all fans, except the ones who like the confederate flay. We're not welcoming and don't include them okay. The La Times. Speaking of leftist wrote the confederate flag, a symbol for many of slavery and racism and familiar sight at stock car events for over seven seventy years has been banned by NASCAR okay again. The biased journalism were so irritating. That statement only tells half the story. It is a simple for many. Of Slavery and racism on the other hand. It is also a simple for many. Of Pride. For the south. You know and it has. It's a symbol of love of where they came from. A culture where people are friendly. And giving. Their charitable their religious. It with the South has its own unique culture food landscape. Those are things that they have pride in. It doesn't have anything to do with racism or slavery for many people. But, you never hear that. No, you never hear that. So. To those people who obviously don't matter NASCAR spitting their, faces. And as the president asked. What five years ago. Where does this all in? Washington was a slave owner. George Washington a slave owner, so we'll. George, Washington now loses status. Are we going to take down? Excuse me A. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN A. WE'RE GONNA. Take down statues to judge way. Thomas Jefferson. What do you think of Thomas Jefferson you like them? Okay good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner now we're gonNA take down his statue. So, you know what it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. You had people and I'm not talking about the Neo Nazis and the white nationalist, because they should be condemned totally there. Many people in that group other than Neo Nazis and white nationalists Okay and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. There's a ton of things there. And one that wasn't even planning on talking about was. That's the speech where he said there were good people on both sides Charlottesville and then later in the speech, he specifically says those about not the white nationalist. and. Not The Nazis Neo Nazis not. He specifically said to them the other people. Oh Man I mean how many? But He meant don't try to that the Nazi. Care what he said. You know what I meant speaking in Code Right. Plus. He was excoriated at the time for saying preposterous things. What's next Washington Jefferson? Well you tell me Angela Rye on CNN this week. Here's what she had to say about Washington and Jefferson. Is it about statues and monuments. I know you saw the interview I did with. Of course. Trying to run for Senate seat there in Virginia, and he, he makes the case that it is about statues and monuments, and everyone's trying to make it about something else. I think that we have to get to the heart of the problem here and the heart of the problem is the way in which many of us were taught American. History American history is not all glorious, and even though I. Love John To Death I. Nobody said that America histories all glorious. Sure we've made mistakes and you know who's responsible for the vast majority of those mistakes, especially the egregious ones. She's talking about Democrats. Progressives. All, right, let her go George Washington. George Washington was a slave owner, and we need to call slave owners out for what they are whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not. He wasn't protecting my freedom. I wasn't someone who is my ancestors weren't deemed human beings to him, and so me I, don't. George Washington statue, or at Thomas Jefferson statue or property lease statue. They all need to come down way that we can recognize. I'm not I'm not I'm not. But I'm not. I'm not, but I'm not. I ask you. At all. So there it is I mean there's the call for Washington Jefferson to come down the. Can you imagine removing The Washington? Monument the Jefferson Memorial. Really. Our society is disintegrating so fast. Our founding fathers are spinning like lathes in their graves so fast that they're gonNA. Spend right out of those graves. You know that the slippery slope argument people talk about is completely obsolete. There's no slope anymore. We're just at the bottom of this at the bottom of this hill that we can't climb back out of. We went from Democrats all of them saying that they believe marriage is between a man and a woman. And that that belief is foundational, it's a rock solid principle. Deep seated cultural codes. Sleeves structural biases have to. BE CHANGED AS I. Case so so we went from. We went from Hillary. That wasn't the one I was thinking of She was talking about how it's a deep seated. Religious principle rocks bedrock. And this was I think in two, thousand, six or two, thousand eight that marriage between a man, and a woman was one of those bedrock principles we went from. that. To End to if you don't support same sex marriage, you're a bigot, a homophobe and you don't deserve to hold a job ever again. Within just a few years. We went from people who. WHO HAVE GENDER dysphoric. Needing psychiatric help to overcome their mental illness. Two men can have periods. And can have babies if they identify as a female. We, went from even Democrats believing that abortions should at least be. Legal safe and rare. And only occur during the first trimester to import your abort your baby anytime anywhere for any reason the matter, and even if they're born alive after a failed abortion, you can still kill him. That happened quickly. We went from. We need to protect our borders. I don't know if you remember Schumer and Harry. Reid saying things like this. If making it easy to be an illegal alien is enough. How about offering a reward for being an illegal immigrant? Oh, no, NO SAINT! Country would do that. But now he thinks seen country must do that. He. The evolved. everybody now has a right to be here and receive all the benefits of civil citizenship, no matter what no matter where they came from or how they got here doesn't matter so even. Yeah, Oh, yeah. They, probably do have more rights than American citizens. In one month, we went from bleeding protesters. Were literally killing people. especially black people. And they'd better not turn violent. To aren't these protests and riots? Looting crowds wonderful, aren't they? Great Look how involved they are. That's wonderful. We're having the conversation about race now. That phrase look at them. Celebrate their magnificent independence. This is so great! It's just it's wonderful. We went from all of the pundits on the left. Warning us that by Gosh, these people who wanNA, get out and go back to their jobs are just hideous. Horrible people trying to kill others. Listen to this to. Watch these images, really just an ugly dangerous scene at the state capital in Michigan as we look at this extreme group. Of People. In, those clashes really show on the chaos out there with with with guns. All them rallied, their tests quote unquote protests. I don't even take the right word because protesters supposed to be peaceful, not embarrassed to say that I was afraid. It's not clear what they're demanding. Demanding to infect other people demanding to make other people sick. It's dangerous in these people can take this home with him and hurt their families and all the rest. I'd like to ask them if they're willing to sign away their rights treatment if and when they get infected. Who Do you think you are understand what is wrong with? People stay at home. I WANNA be clear and how I care later. With a fire burning behind, get his not. It is not generally speaking unruly. Oh right, we're seeing right now in minneapolis any reasonable person. Let's say we shouldn't be destroying other people's property, but these are not reasonable times employees. says. The protests was supposed to be polite. The. Beautiful thing is we're seeing its citizens who are carrying concern. They're hitting the streets heartwarming to see so many people turn out peacefully. This march really. Coming off, it's peaceful. They're saying peaceful protests across the country. It's bringing people together bringing. Unity people are risking co vid to explain it to this country that were fed up I thought they weren't supposed to. So so it went from. You know you're terrible. If you WANNA go back to work. To. Find that the routing in destroying businesses many of most of them black. and. They are violent and they've even seized an American city armed with AK47's, and that doesn't matter mostly. That's all it's mostly mostly peaceful. I didn't even want to call it. I mean it's just a protest. Really what's going I? I don't even want to call it a protest. It's more of A. Love Fest the gathering of the Community Gathering of a love fest and a Brain Trust of people getting together in noodling outer pro with armed guards, posted at borders around it exact well. That's because there's some ugly people on the right that would just. Start indiscriminately killing these people zone. Yeah, yeah, they would. Chance I understand why you'd want to be armed. Then exactly, that's why I need my AK forty seven. That video is sick and. One of the most years it's one of the most agonizing I've ever seen. WanNa keep playing off. Illustrates. Everything we talk about this does not taste good here. Try this. I mean. You, you try to the the looters right with this broad brush, but don't forget your white, so you shouldn't be talking on the issue whatsoever frankly, but we should have a conversation whichever conversation, though, but you suck it one sided conversation. You should speak and I should shut up and listen right right. Yeah, but some people out there. Just trying to you know get their money isn't stuff just. Man Period Point Blades on route. One is trying to do trying to get some money so. I and I said. That's it. That's it finally. With him, no. No you only. that. A little bit. Too mostly. Out here with my real ones. Trying to get some money. I wonder what the The merch department supposed to be hopefully making a t shirt with that phrase China. Yeah. They're trying to make a t shirt with the trying to get some monies quote on there. That would be awesome by the way if you'd like to get any of our awesome t shirts or caps, mugs shop dot blaze media dot com slash pat. 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Got This museum here, regarding the confederate flag sent to us by is a Pixie people. when you encounter a glitch in the Matrix. It's a black Guy Holden the flag. Holding black lives matter signs though. That is funny. Actually happened. Yeah, that's not photoshop. Maybe it's. Really. I, really haven't Albin. Okay, so did this and this is hard to believe. But Lady Antebellum. Pretty big country I love I. Love. A I. Mean, the first song hit was. A seven. Countries. Don't follow country, but I I know of them. I was great. And it was what love don't live here anymore. No. Live here love that look at you. All. Requests Morning Show. So the changing their name because lady antebellum. His. OFFENSIVE TO BLACK LIVES, matter! How long bad I know, you're not a fan of country. But how many years have you said? I can't listen to lady antebellum because of Antebellum. Exactly why that was the One Country Band I would've listened yes. Bought all their CDs and stuff, but for the name right and I couldn't get past. What about now now that they've changed their name. What's their new name now? Lady Lady Lady as so catchy and. You listen to them since you are so perturbed. Well I, think we're now I won't understand. Music comes. That comes out because I missed the other you know the all the setup to the music comes out now. What stands for Amos's? Okay. Yeah, that's what it said okay. I like that better. On tour with Barenaked ladies now there's nothing offensive about that. They've already got the wikipedia James hardie changed. Their, their site is now lady. A instead of lady antebellum. There was not one single person alive. who was ever offended by lady? Antebellum band name. Either they're just trying to find a way to get in the news and it worked. At yes, changing everything man pay. The pandering from from all sides is an use. This word and I'm sick a using it incredible because it, it really is. It's not incredible anymore because everyone is falling. To the wayside. Just I can't believe it now. All of a sudden hearing the band name Lady Antebellum is equivalent to being stabbed in the eye and we actually stabbed her. In there since you say the word I did say it I. don't even want to say how. Are. We going to hear this. This would come from lady a formerly. Lady antebellum. Boy No no. You defeat the whole purpose if that's. That's old thing, but I'm GONNA. Say all the time because they want them to know that this is a band. Light right so this is the band formerly known as Lady Antebellum. Agonizing. If that word agonizing enough now they're coming for pop patrol. Aw! Pop Patrol Children's cartoon about a squad of Canine helpers that was forced to watch this this show you been forced to. I have to and. Horrified to watch it to be honest with really well. I was so pissed that they had a German shepherd. That was a police dog. And the police dog nice. So kids might get the mistaken impression that there are nice police officers. We've gotta take it on the air now. You can't leave any first responders. Patrol. Is this upsetting you that I've got the little. Finger puppet go. You know. I've not going into. You WanNA play. Are You jealous here? There's a little pulpits finger puppet for you to play with. Thank you so offensive, right? These images on the blaze. Unbelievable it's. I almost said incredible again. I'm. Doing on. Capitol Hill common so really taken over six block radius in Seattle in they sell auto parts. Is that right. Yeah, yes. We're we're against this? And if you remember correctly during the cliven Bundy situation right. We were against that. We're against taking up arms so quickly. Rather than you know trying to deescalate the situation. It was escalated ramped up very quickly and man did the press. Hate them. Shirt! Do you remember what they thought of Cliven Bundy? And that militia that was so violent and and armed to the teeth. What a difference! New Year's and Yandell bunch of leftists makes. Because when a bunch of leftist take it over with AK47's. There's that's not a problem. It's a mostly peaceful. It's most it's largely peaceful. Just like the Muslim Brotherhood is largely. Secular! So when a Democrat is in the White House then it's an armed insurrection. is in the White House then. It's just peaceful resistance exactly okay. I think you're starting to get it. I got it. Boy Got some tweets here. This from brain damaged Gerbil. Forget what. You made that. You're about smart of brain damage. Or something don't know that affect. Chaz is now being called. Have Anti Anti. and T, FA Stan will. Love America. And Tif. Astana good I like the. Support bubble boy. Yeah and your support bubble. There was another thing term we learned yesterday. Support bubbles there. It's okay to get an in Britain. You can get into a support bubble now. Oh Nice! Yeah, yeah, we'll tell you about it later. they messed up with their name. They should from here on out. Be known as lady AF because. They. All lost their giblets. Vote Pedro tweets if America continues down this divided path, how long until a foreign power takes advantage of our weakened state and invades our country and it's not like they know what's going on over here so far away, yeah right? From the Steve forty-two PAT is so cute. He thinks we're at the bottom of this slippery Slope Hill Lol. It can get worse. You've gotTA. Get worse actually and fast very and fast. We were talking about pop. Drill right before the break and how they're coming after that because they portray police officers in a good light in a good lesson for kids. It's an it's a stupid animated show as man I mean. Let also last week Tom Sharply. WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF MONK? Criticized his own show on twitter. He said if you ha- if you is, I have worked on a TV show or movie, in which police are portrayed as lovable goofballs. You've contributed to the larger acceptance. That cops are implicitly the goodguys. Wow, and I guess that's a bad thing. So now we have to. We have to assume that cops are implicitly the bad guy. That's what I'm inferring from. The creator of well I mean that's what that's. What many in African American community are saying? Many in the in the black lives matter movement, so does he believe? Does this mean? That when there's a terrorist who's Muslim. Blows himself up on in a school bus. Does that mean that all Muslims? Are inherently dare you. Stop Stop Stop with your hateful. Yeah, I know prejudices and I I, I can't. Even I can't think of the words. Of what describes you right now? Why is it okay to paint all cops as bad? But you can't do that with any other grow. You can't do that with Muslims and I don't want to, but I'm trying to apply the liberal logic to this. Yes. And, they're supposed to have that sensibility that one apple don't spoil the whole bunch who has made the over ever. Made that point forever. What we talked about screen special screening coming into the country. No, we don't think they're all bad, but some of them are and we'd like to weed them out. It's just. I'll stop though. Sorry. Griffin Newman and actor who appeared in two episodes of blue bloods as a detective donated. Donated his eleven thousand dollars in earnings to bail fund. Inspiring other actors who have played cops to do the same. Lane go has halted marketing. It's Lego city police station and police highway arrest sets, and he pulled. Of course. It's reality. Show live PD. which was a huge hit. For people that from sneaky all these. All. can do it. I I understand it. I got no problem with them. Pulling their shows. It's just the reasoning behind it so maddening. Because the the cops are good. Men have that. So I guess. Is Is Brooklyn, nine nine GonNa go as well. Yeah, they're, GONNA. They're gonNA dress the movement I'm sorry that's not enough. It's not enough. They're going to talk about it. No, that's. Not Enough. No, it's not enough, but what if the Nandana characters? Talk about it not enough. SORRY NOT ENOUGH! Okay? Now celebrities will show us the way sh celebrity white. WHO've. Been in movies. And on television they will show us the way through all this and they have, and they're doing it again and Chris Beautiful. Actually I take responsibility I take responsibility guide. Think I take response. Ability. For every unchecked moment for every time, it was easier to ignore then to call it out for what it was. Every not so funny joke. Mile every unfair stereotype. Yeah, every blatant injustice, no matter how big or small every time silent. Every time I explained away police brutality. Positive for? Your sad for every time your silent and every time you were not style right see. So I'm sorry for all the Times. I didn't talk and I'm really sorry for all the Times I did. Don't take and response. I. I'm sorry for The Times I breathed. And I hope for the time when I don't breathe anymore. Because I don't deserve to live. Because I'm white all right? Let's hear every time I explained away police brutality. Repealing applying die. Member when we were all saying worry about police brutality. That's perfectly fine in fact were really a good thing. About it the other way I never those. How many shows did we devote to police? Good and not only that I remember a simpler time in America known his February twenty twenty. We sat around out here in the middle of the building, and just had a discussion where we were trying to explain away. Police brutality remember that. Time, you think that was a six hour special. Yeah. All right let's. Responsibility for black people, a slaughtered in the streets, Kilson watered in the other sisters. Our friends our family. We're done watching them die redone. We are no longer bystanders dope we will not be. Overlooking. Longer allow an unchecked movement you want. Allow it longer allow racist hurtful words, jokes, stereotypes matter how big or small the ushered in my presence. What will you do will offer? What will you do Stanley if somebody does alter something in your presence, what are you GonNa do? Are you going to beat them to death? Are you going to shoot them in the face? What do you probably it's twenty twenty man? Though we'll have a conversation. or he'll leave your weight, so you're not allowed them conversation, or he'll set their place on fire Oh right and burn it to the ground because they deserve it. And then you'll find their business. He'll destroy that to right then dachshund online. You'll know the phone. Their family can also be killed. Because not deserve to live, then will dig up his ancestors, we he. And Kill Them to heal the kill them participated in unchecked moment. Is that what yes crime! We'll see if we. Matter how big or small to the other? What if they're in the middle? I will not turn a blind eye. Cut for you. Going for a job should not be a death sentence. Sleeping in your own home should not be a death sentence. Playing Video Games with your nephew should not be a death sentence. Shopping in a store should not be a death sentence. That's right business as usual should not be life threatening life. Yeah, right that would stand against hate. I'll stand against hate. Stand against hate will stand against hate again love! Will make my presence. And killer cops must be prosecuted. They are murderers they are. Being prosecuted. Sister take. Responsibility Oh call out. Up. And take actual pudeur face right so bad, I'm sorry. Did I say that you're supposed to be standing up against hate and then? I take responsibility sorry. Oh Hollywood what a melodramatic bunch of Bull kratos effective with the with the repeat the repeat repeat. So well. Most of them were. Almost believable. 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Dot Com slash unleashed its gabby dot. com slash unleashing. Gray. We're finding out, too. That racism is killing the planet. Climate Change. Whatever the planet just die already, man? There's so many ways that you're actually says. Change. Empowered the racism or is racist. Yes, it's the cause of the Rianne the Sierra Clubs GonNa. Tell us exactly what it is. A good ideology of white supremacy leads the way toward disposable people and a disposable natural world. Wait I. Don't I can't follow. This is ridiculous. Okay so you can't have climate change without sacrifice zones. And you can't have sacrifice zones without disposable people, and you can't have disposable people. Without racism, that's how ties that's mic drop by the Sierra Club right Yar. Sacrifice not said well. That's obviously Jeffey a geographic area that has been permanently impaired. Environmental damage or economic. I can't have that without disposable people. Right. Wait. Let's talk about an a place. Economically depressed, it's all of these. Is City centers that you've just destroyed through looting? That and by the way has anybody noticed to all of those city centers are controlled by I. Don't Know Democrats. Even Dallas Texas. The mayor is a Democrat city. Councillor Democrats has been for a long time Houston Texas Democrats Chaz Democrats. Seattle, as a whole Democrats. Washington State Democrat Detroit Democrat Minneapolis Minneapolis Saint Paul Democrats. New York City and New York State Democrats to more Baltimore Democrats. New Orleans Democrat. Are you getting a a sort of a vibe here? Yeah Yeah. Don't forget the the fun fact that John Lott The gun expert on us, you know our our crime. Stats in America are so terrible because of these big cities controlled by Democrats with these overbearing gun control laws. They don't work and that's where the Hudson. Everybody should be armed. And that's where and that's where and that's. That's where that's where the hot spots at hotspots hotspot. Dr Yes yeah without those. COUPLE OF BIG CITIES NEW ORLEANS Chicago I. Think those two maybe DC What was it in the bully in the book Control? we would actually be like twenty second or something as far as violent nation. Something like that. There's a great graph in there that comes to mind right now. but there's just I mean they're great places. These Democrat controlled cities for generation after generation. Here we are, and somehow it's all blamed on Republicans. I don't know how that slots president trump. Trump trump and before that Bush. Bush. And you know all of the stupid stuff. Obama did never even got reported. Well what I think every city needs is an elite bike squad like the city of Miami has learned last week I. Mean you remember those guys when they're in action wants to? My precision like you've never seen it before. Move Back. Precision. Oh? Wow Look Jeff we are guy is not. He's and he's the leader Guy Man. That's an elite. Well not as elite as this group of bike cops that were chasing down a bag I watch this I'll I'll stop the stop remember. They learned that formation and then this guy. At Miami is, it looks like the same does any pets? The group that was behind them was the second the second team. CAN'T JV seem. His Cam. For. This is why you clover. Look like the first. Same Color Bikes, same fanny box was at his most cities now have their by cyclist cops yeah. I, don't think they're the Miami elite, though so I and I. Do you have bicycle cops anymore in your city? I don't know I don t allow that I don't think there's Fort Worth does. Fort Worth I I have to find out of Fort Worth is still allowing that now. There's a new age man I i. don't see a bike cop chasing down a looter. Be Fearful be out of biking. Cities. I'd be fearful to be a police officer. Cities I know especially now I just don't know how you can I. Who wants that job now? Who wants it no matter what they do for doing it, but yeah. I mean yes, the bottom of our also terrible I mean you're not. You're not insinuating that they're good people and. Not I mean have we learned anything, sir? I hope we have help. We've learned that all cops. What is that? What is it a cab or something? All cops are bastards. that. No, yeah, Hey, that's the new thing with I don't know they they're chanting in. A big fan of Paul Patrol, aren't you? Know, okay no in better. Get it right, man. It's an evil show. So. All right What we need to do is tear down all police statues board up all the precincts. Thank you. You know just starting to the conversation. I guess it's not enough to tear down the confederate statues. We need to tear down all stall juice. All statues need to go. Do you know that they did they defaced? Statue in Philadelphia. Do we have the video of knowing there's a? Picture of this okay cool. There's picture. Areas that is Matthias Baldwin. Terrible! Person, terrible, right right, terrible terrible. Guide that eighteen thirty five donated money to establish a school for African. American children in Philadelphia. Then he continued to pay the teachers salaries out of his pocket for years thereafter Andy was an abolitionist. Outspoken support for abolition ISM was cool thirty years before, but did you get anything done? No I've I'll tell you the statue wondering what happened to him. His business rivals use the fact that he wasn't abolitionist against him, and he still kept fighting to free slaves, no wonder they face. Stirred. It doesn't matter the history. Know it anyway? They as in the protests. Five seconds to look at the. Front of the statute of they're going to feel no I mean they did that to the black soldiers from the civil war? They did it to Lincoln. oh. So you want me to believe the lies on the plaque. Front of the statue is to know your interest in. The man put that. Thank you and the plaque there. Okay. I believe you right. Now. Warning though this is, this is a little graphic they. Down a statute that probably should come down careful here. If you're watching lot. They had a little mishap while they were pulling protest on the ground. He's below the statue. It's going to fall on him. He's in the green shirt. Is a very rough guys? Look out below Oh. He's in a medically induced. Part of his skull was showing. Yeah, no kidding! Gosh, those are tad heavy. Yeah, that actually when they're granted. made out of Granite Yep. Yeah, that's not like a Plastic Cup landed on him. I WANNA feel bad for that person. I shouldn't have been doing there. He shouldn't have been there doing that. But. Yeah, you don't want that to happen. Jiffy finished his thought in total. Man. And then of course we had the goal that we played earlier for you from CNN from. One of their spokespeople to one of the people jarring to black issues. They want Washington and Jefferson down just like they want rubber elite torn down just like president. Trump predicted couple of years ago exactly like that. But. Boy, it's A. It's a fun era right now that we're living through, we are living through history, but we're learning new words along the way as well which is which is really fun, right? I mean got. You've got these new phrases that we've had for a while like social distancing which I'm a fan of flat the curve. We're all in this together Oh. Yeah, uh-huh! Yeah, the new normal. Dr Balaji I. Don't WanNa. Hear that name again and support bubbles which we. Just got yesterday. I love the cartoon that was sent our way. The family circus cartoon. New Normal so I knocked him on his little Commie. Really funny. Remember seeing that cartoon the Paper Watch for that cartoonist banned for life, and all his cartoons eliminated from newspapers all over look at Arnold. All that's right. Sorry I have a great weekend. It's possible. We'll see you Monday.

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Impeach Barr

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:11:47 hr | 1 year ago

Impeach Barr

"I know everybody wants to talk about the Horse Race but the thing that is really getting to me right now is what's going on over at the Justice Department and the whole notion that we have people in our Justice Department resigning because Donald Trump's inappropriate influence and The the the Attorney General Overturning sentencing of Donald Trump's cronies right in front of our eyes. We're watching a descent into authoritarianism and this just seems like a moment to me. Everybody should be. Speaking of presidential candidates should piece speaking people around this country should be speaking. I said we can't have this last night. I said on air that the Washington Post says democracy dies in darkness. It actually doesn't it it. It dies television and dies right under the lights of the day. This is an attack institutions injustice and with people. Not doing something understand right now. We should all be calling for the Attorney General to resign. What bar has done should mean that we are demanding resignation and if that guy won't resign should start impeachment proceedings against him. I'm Sur- cancer. The author of the bestselling essay collection the view from Flyover country and the upcoming book hiding in plain sight. I'm Andrea Chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the upcoming journalistic thriller. Mr Jones and this is gasoline nation. A podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around the world. And we have been doing this. Podcast ON RISING AUTOCRACY FOR A YEAR. And a half so yeah. Welcome to the show in more ways than one. So trump's so-called acquittal in the Sham Senate trial has prompted yet another round of pundits and officials realizing that we are in a burgeoning authoritarian state. We have been through this before these rounds of media revelations usually last about forty eight hours before everyone gets distracted by some minor controversy and reverts back to denial for those of you who crave a comprehensive and honest account of where we are and how we got there. Check out our prior seventy five episodes of gasoline nation on this topic. We have been warning of all the scenarios that came to pass as well as tracking it in real time. We also have transcripts online. Gasoline Nation POD DOT com for those who would rather read are horrifying history than listen. I want to stress that we were not alone in predicting this or in observing the obvious. It's hard not to predict authoritarianism when a proto dictator openly announces his autocratic ambitions. And it's hard not to spot a criminal when that criminal is constantly confessing to his own crimes. So what you really need to examine here is complicity by members of Congress state officials in the mainstream media other people saw the exact same things Andrea and I saw. They chose to lie about it and we chose to call it out as it was regardless of the danger that that put us in the agendas of those who chose to lie differ. Some were craven careerists somewhere criminal accomplices and some were simply cowards. But in the end they all contributed to the demise of our democracy and that was a choice they made they chose to lie. Deny delay. An ops you skate. They chose that knowingly so remember that in the midst of this horrific moment in history when so many rights and resources are being stripped away that you still have a choice you have your conscience you have the choice of whether to honor. Your own principles or to betray your integrity. You have the choice of whether to help others more vulnerable than yourself or whether to conform to the dictates of the cruel and powerful. You have the choice of what kind of person you want to be. You have your individuality and your morality and you should never surrender that. You've now seen what happens when others do Sandra thoughts. It's an authoritarian state. If you haven't heard yes so yeah here we are. I want to tell people who are listening. I know everything seems incredibly scary right now. If you've been paying close attention as many of our listeners have and yes it is what it is and it's possibly worse than what it is and Sarah are going to go through breaking down. The latest terror show coming out of trump's White House as a reminder that as bad as things are guess what they can always get worse it. That's true that's not us? We're not inventing that that is just fact and we'll break that down in this episode just so you're aware we're not doing that to scare you. We're doing that simply to prepare you. And I want to just share an inspiring story. The I've lived through in recent years which is an important reminder to why passion matters and fighting for what you believe in matters and by doing so you find your people you find your community. That's going to sustain you in the urgent work. We desperately need everybody to be engaging in right now do not wait as congresswoman Barbara Lee. The moral voice in Congress said on this show do not wait until twenty twenty November to stop trump. Start now start now. Find Your community get engaged with your community. Strengthen your community and start now to stop. Donald Trump in November twenty twenty to stop and a vodka trump presidency to stop don Jr. Presidency. Because that is the name of the game and I'm telling you in talking to other journalists who follow all this closely when I tell them you know the end game is to make vodka trump the first woman president and to keep the trump legacy going. They look at me as they're shocked or don't say that. Oh my God I don't say that so even people who follow this closely don't fully understand that the times they are a changing. We're up against actual authoritarianism. Yes of course it can happen here so one country. It's happened in in historically speaking one country that lately in recent history has been resisting this far right. Takeover is France and I want to share what I hope is an inspiring story because I learned a lot from it myself and it helped energize my work that I'm doing so back I don't know when this was maybe twenty seventeen or so. I happen to be in Paris and I was getting ready to go on set for the production of my film Mr Jones which is a story very much about today. It takes place in nineteen thirty-three right at the rise of Hitler which everyone was underestimating at the time as shown in the film and a as well as Stalin and it's about real life whilst journalists that risk is life and career to expose Stalin's genocide famine Ukraine that deliberately killed millions and major journalists of the day in the Western press including Walter drawn to you the New York Times helped cover it up and got away with it and it's a horrible story the tragic story but ultimately there is a silver lining to the stories. I encourage you all to see that film Mr Jones it's out in the UK right now and it's coming to the US and Canada in April. So when I was getting ready to go into production on that film as the screenwriter and producer I physically wanted to get into the world of my film before even heading onset and so being in Paris at this time I think in late twenty seventeen was a book by the American historian. Timothy Snyder. No you know Tim Snyder. 'cause we talk a lot about his work. We've told you all to go. Check out on Tierney lessons from the twentieth century and how to resist authoritarianism so Tim Snyder's mainstream historian but here in this little random book store. In France. In Paris there was a tim. Snyder book prominently displayed. Which was like leg Tim Snyder? It was a random book that most people never heard of and it was called the reconstruction of nations Poland Ukraine Lithuania Belarus. Fifteen sixty nine to nine hundred ninety nine and I point that out that here in Paris they prominently displayed obscure. Tim CIDER book because that is very French and I thought that was so funny and then in addition to the during this week in Paris I also visited a phone museum which is just all those old style record players from the twenties and thirties. There was a man. That's absolutely passionate about old school record players and keeps a massive collection of them and even took me into some random private collection. That's not even displayed in his own personal museum to show me all the good stuff like this was a labyrinth of old record players. And this man was. You're so passionate and so what. I'm telling you is that the intellectual is on display in Paris and just all these. Little eccentric characters are living their passion out loud. Whether it's for an old school record player or jazz music. I was just completely eating at this. Buffet like crazy and just enjoying it. Even though I personally did not have to be there me as a screenwriter producer. I had a team of people like our production designer. Who is doing all that work for US looking at the history of times on how to re create the sets for the film. I chose to be there. I chose to nerd out. I chose to follow my passion. I chose to merge myself not creativity and find people like me. They're just as nerdy and passionate about this stuff and amazingly just found out that my little film about genocide which has gotten a limited release in bigger in markets like the UK and North America. It is going to be shown and one hundred and thirty theaters across France including dozens theaters in Paris. So that's massive. My husband is from Paris and when he found out he was like blown away. That's a massive release for film of like this so I just so honored and thrilled. That might work is being recognized so far in in France has a big home there in France or welcoming with open arms. It's a country of freedom of expression is a very much part of their culture. There's a wonderful Feminist Group from Ukraine the topless feminist known as feminine. They take their shirts off. And they disrupt Davos they disrupt Putin they fight against all kinds of human rights abuses and they put their bodies on the line and the started in Ukraine and their international headquarters is in Paris and in Paris for a reason and visited their trainings and so forth. And so an order that Mr Jones is part about Francis long history of of freedom of thought and creativity expression which is what this film stands for. And so I'm sharing this story with you. 'cause I'm thrilled about this discovery and very honored by it and also it just a reminder that that same passion and creativity artists have that is the same passion and creativity that's required for fighting for your country. It's the same and in all my experiences with activism when a group of us of random strangers on twitter got together and launched the March for truth demanding accountability in the Russia investigation. A bunch of artists came to our rescue caveat. Muniz who played Hamilton in the Broadway. Show New York J Smith Cameron. Who Plays Jerry on succession? Those guys were instrumental in making the march for truth a huge success and they brought all their artist friends into it. So the reason why you see so. Many artists as activists is because that same passion you need for your art is an investing creativity. That is what we need right now to save our country so please passionate eccentrics of the world nerds wonks all of you. We need to unleash your inner beast. Let it out now if you need a place to start go to the gasoline nation action guide on Gasoline Nation POD DOT com. This is why we always say aren't matters because it does. We need our oxygen tanks more than ever and you need to breathe deep into who you are in your community and you guys you know fight like hell right now. Because survival of our democracy literally an urgently depends on it tired of fighting the transnational crime syndicate masquerading as the government. 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That's friends without the our best scenes people need to find something else that sustains them kind of beyond just the sheer political fight. Whether it's your family your community your are your creativity. You find something else to keep you going. Because if you're immersed in this hellhole twenty four seven it is very easy to kind of burn yourself out to lose perspective and so on you know. Remember what you're fighting for. Not just that you're fighting. But what are you fighting for? What do you value? What do you want to see if you can hold onto that vision of the future? Then it's a lot easier to keep going for the long haul and this is a long haul fight and so on that note. Speaking of the long-haul Bill Bar the master of the long game the Iran Contra Cleanup Guy who has reemerged in the trump White House to be probably the greatest threat of this administration is back to his old tricks newly emboldened after trump's sham acquittal and no one is doing anything about it so despite calls for legal experts and ordinary citizens alike. The House is refusing to impeach bill bar. Which is unfortunately in keeping with. Nancy Pelosi's lackluster impeachment strategy. According to a recent interview with Ralph Nader who was a consultant to legal teams working on impeachment the majority of House representatives who worked on impeachment wanted to impeach trump on far more articles than the two that were actually named and the sole reason they could not do so was Pelosi's refusal so Nadler Chef and others sought a rigorous impeachment. They sought real accountability and they were shot down and so now the house is going through the hell of inept leadership yet again as Pelosi deems impeaching bar to be not worth it much in the same way she initially deemed impeaching trump as not worth it even though bar is a profound threat to our country possibly even a greater threat than trump last week bar interfered in the sentencing of Roger Stone in a move that showcased the loss of independence in the courts and prompted for career prosecutors to resign in protest. This corrupt intervention by bar shouldn't have surprised people. Roger Stone is a key player in this transnational crime syndicate going all the way back to the early nineteen eighties like trump. He was a pupil of Mafia lawyer where I cone and he long ago embraced cones corrupt and brutal tactics will devoting decades of his life to building up trump as a presidential candidate. We did an episode in January. Twenty one thousand nine hundred called. Roger Stone Democracies undertaker that described Stone's long criminal history and how he uses the media to try to hide under this image of a lovable yet. Reckless trickster in reality. Roger Stone is extremely dangerous as well as powerful in bar seeking to protect him. They are the deep state that they claim to rally against bars. Also seeking to protect Michael Flynn and prevent him from facing punishment. Much in the way bars. Lackey Robert Muller did in late two thousand eighteen when he overruled a judge's sentencing much to the shock of that judge who had deemed flint a traitor and was horrified by the severity of his crimes and the lack of punishment and meanwhile over two thousand former DOJ employees have now called for bars resignation. These former DOD employees noted that because they have little expectation. That bar will actually resign. I quote if falls to the departments career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan. Apolitical justice the rule of law in the survival of our republic demand. Nothing less after that. The Federal Judges Association called an emergency meeting to address bars intervention in the stone case and in other cases involving trump's inner circle. This was an unprecedented move for this group. Which has over eleven hundred members and so it's obviously very good that both of these legal groups are doing this and we applaud them and we are on their side. But it's really something they should have done much earlier. Like before bar was confirmed bars. Entire record was in the public domain. Going back to his days as the Iran Contra cleanup guy and he literally auditioned for the job by pending a long letter promising to persecute anyone who sought justice in the Russia probe and defending trump. Regardless of the legality. The law never mattered to bar. Power did and he was very clear about that. The whole time people simply refuse to see what was right in front of them and finally there is also likely an element of fear. Most folks seem to have forgotten this but back in two thousand sixteen the American Bar Association did a study of how trump abuses the legal system to intimidate opponents into silence with NDA's threats and excessive litigation among the tactics. He employs the American bar. Association then went on to self censor their own paper out of fear that trump would sue them. That incident should have served as a warning that the legal system would not hold under trump. But it was largely ignored by the media possibly because they feared commenting on it would lead to excessive litigation as well. We were headed toward authoritarianism. Long before trump even took office so remember when we thought it couldn't get any worse than Jeff sessions as attorney general and Jeff Sessions. Who was so extreme that he had Stephen Miller who is a four Chan. Internet troll in human form. Stephen Miller was the communication director for Jeff Sessions. When Jeff sessions was a senator like? That's how extreme sessions and Miller was jeff. Sessions was so extreme. He gave us Stephen Miller. Okay let's put it that way and we thought it can get any worse than that and along comes William Bar the Iran Contra cover up guy the Roy Cohn for President Donald Trump and his family. If it can get worse than sessions it could always get worse than Bar. It could always get worse than a president trump because once they start normalising their corruption to this level and we got here again because so much of the Republican driven corruption in this country was normalized to begin with George W Bush being impeached and George W Bush Dick Cheney being free to walk around even though they committed war crimes and so forth and just this revolving door of corruption and hundreds on TV praising these guys and praising William Bar when he was coming in as though good. I can breathe a sigh of relief. Because William Bar Cleans up nice. He still respectable. He's a white man in a suit whereas Jeff sessions war. His far rightness like baseball mascot his Klan Robes. Yeah exactly and so I want to read now just to get us up to date on the specifics of what we're up against and then we'll go into what this all means and we're headed next so from the new times now. I'm reading when more than eleven hundred former federal prosecutors and Justice Department officials called on attorney. General William P bar to step down after intervened last week to lower the Justice Department sentencing recommendation for president. Trump's longtime friend Roger Stone the also urged current government employees to report any signs of an ethical behavior at the Justice Department to the agency's Inspector General and to Congress and they quote the letter each of us strongly condemns president trump's an attorney general bars interference in the fair administration of Justice. The former Justice Department lawyers who came from across the political spectrum wrote those actions. They said require Mr Bar to resign and then the article goes on to point out after prosecutors on Monday recommended a prison sentence of up to nine years for Mr Stone who was convicted of obstructing congressional inquiry. Mr Trump lashed out at federal law enforcement senior officials at the department including Mr Bar overrode the recommendation. The next day with a more lenient one immediately prompting accusations of political and the four lawyers stone case abruptly withdrew in protest. All right so you know what's really interesting here. I know we're back to deja Vu. Sarah were gasoline. Nation again is calling for impeachment way ahead of the opposition party even doing so largely and we could take one of our impeach trump episodes from early twenty nineteen and simply replaced bar with every time we say trump and we could run that. It'd be just as useful today but I have to say it's amazing that it it doesn't pointed out on Cable News. Hardly anywhere that the Republican Party put Nancy Pelosi aside and her clear lack of will at this point of impeaching bar. And that's something that we could definitely change definitely change just like we did win. Keenum impeaching trump. But put that aside for a moment my God. Why aren't people pointing out that? The Republican Party is the Party of cowards. They can't stand up to some Humpty dumpty. Orange Menace. Who just wants to like snuffed out? Mcdonald's and scream at Fox and friends on TV ALL DAY. Who's toiling competent? Who doesn't read? Who can barely put together sentences when he has to make a public statement. Who's got this massive slurring issue? This is who they're terrified of. This is who the. Republicans are scared of and they fall in line and so William Bar certainly being an ideologue certainly shares the worldview of this Clement Kremlin clown car at the same time. This has just gone way too far the point where they can't even hold their own anymore. They're absolute cowards. And Servants to trump and certainly you could say corruption as an industry and they're all making money so really. They just have really horrible jobs. Like they're getting handsomely compensated. They're staying in power and so forth. But you do have to point out the ABSOLU- cowardice of the Republican Party despite whatever handouts. They're getting in return for the utter lack of moral courage. In addition to that I wanNA point out that it's really amazing. How autocrats and WANNA BE AUTOCRATS? Go to great lengths to use the system itself to justify its actions. So I'm GonNa read from Marcy Wheeler and her great deep dive into William Bars cover up and we're GONNA linked to this new show notes because absolutely worth reading just to see how. The sausage is made an autocrat. Power GRAB SLASH COVER. Up reminds me so much of how? Putin now is busy trying to secure dying and Power Putin is trying to Change he's his own government so he can die in power he tried in. He went to great lengths to do this. That he tried to politically absorb Belarus as a country so that Russia and Belarus would unite as one country and he would then be justified in a new constitution. That would make him the head of that new country that what kremlin-watchers reporting out and that was such a desperate move to die in power by. Putin likely that even the people in Belarus were protesting and for once their dictator was on the side of the people and the dictator is like no thanks. I'm happy just being the dictator Belarus. I don't want to be a dictator stuck under you so that fell through so Putin how to reorganize government. Because that's what autocrats do they use? The system itself to legitimize normalized their crimes. That's why they have these Sham Elections. Putin doesn't need to hold elections every year. Can you just steals them but they do it anyway? Legitimize IT and keep that in. Mind as you hear. Marcy Wheeler now on bars cover up and I'm quoting from her great piece which will link at the top of our show notes but partners has insinuated that is said arrest October ninth. That's love of course was an attempt to keep him. Silent Bar visited the SDN Y that day and subsequently visited Rupert Murdoch at his home interesting. Suny showed unusual concern for the privacy of third parties as Parnis tried to share more information with the house. Intelligence Committee and Bill Bar has not recused in spite of a clear conflict and requests from Parnassus. So I'll pause there. What the Hell is bar doing meeting with? Puppet Master Rupert Murdoch because as we keep pointing out we need laws in place to prevent abuse of power in the media. Rupert Murdoch built in Media Empire around the globe by bulldozing over media regulations and now trapped in his propaganda prison here in here in the US as well as in the UK. Marcy Wheeler goes on. Here she points out that the DOJ prevents a full investigation of the Crane Complaint Barn his DOJ engaged in multiple acts of obstruction of the Ukraine. Complaint I bar did not recuse from a complaint mentioning him by name then knowing that was personally implicated. Doj did not conduct a full assessment of the whistleblower complaint which would have identified tied to the suny investigation of life partners and Eager Freeman. Then elsie invented an excuse not to share whistleblower complaint with Congress which resulted in a significant delay and almost led Ukraine to make concessions to obtain aid. Do you understand that bars? Cover up almost force Ukraine out on its own to do trump's bidding in exchange for much-needed aid so their soldiers stop being killed by Putin's invasion Putin who helped bring trump to power then marcy goes on then DOJ did not share whistleblower complaint with FCC required by Memorandum of notification finally DOJ made a comment claiming trump was exonerated precisely the abuse speaking about ongoing investigations. That Jim Komi got fired for so the rules only apply to us. They did not to the autocrat. And that is how the sausage gets made. This shows the weakening of the legal system the weakening of the judiciary which has always been the strongest bulwark against autocracy. In any case where a country goes from being a democracy into autocracy and it was something that we warned about early This is why we weren't people to not have too much faith in the Mueller. Probe if the Mueller probe was not going to move swiftly because what happens is that time becomes the enemy and so you have courts that are packed. You have judges that are threatened you have agencies that are purged. You have latkes taking their place and then you have people like bar. These deeply corrupt institutionalists. And that's not a contradiction in terms. He was an `institutionalised and he was covering up crimes for the time that he served an office consistently across his entire life. And what happens? Is People get so caught up in the image and in the title and the idea that this person could serve. As the Attorney General twice and that no one is going to challenge him challenge his fundamental legitimacy as somebody whose job it is to uphold the law they think. Of course you know. You're the attorney general. That's what you do. That is never what he has done. He has been immersed in Republican criminality for several decades and has been kind of lurking at the surface of various offenses and before you mentioned how the GOP has coward to trump despite trump looking ridiculous despite trump looking last week like the orange teletubby son in a photo you know there are these moments where yes okay. There must be incredible humiliation for this of all people to become the dictator. Like he's not even like a bad ass dictator but that of course. I WANNA sexier of dictator. I this is America dammit. You know we invented the action movie. I demand a more suitable dictator. Or we're going to go down. I want to go down under some spelt. Yes some have some looks you know I might as well be a Dapper Nazi than out of shape. He's very American though. I think in the way that he deceives people and especially deceives this kind of Snotty highbrow media into thinking that he's not a threat and this is what the GOP has been doing for a long time. Like when you mentioned before about how we've had these recurring crises where there is never accountability for those who committed the crimes. So you see the same people recurring again and again you C Watergate. Gop IRAN-CONTRA GOP the nine eleven aftermath again gop war in Iraq based on false pretenses by the GOP the two thousand eight financial collapse GOP. What happens sometimes like in the latter case you get a Democratic president who comes after this as Obama did and he gets the blame for what Bush and his administration actually did. But this is a very consistent pattern over the last forty years where you're literally seeing the same people you see. Roger Stone all the way back to Watergate Roger Stone who has a giant Tattoo of Nixon on his back. That will hopefully be seen in a jailhouse though. I don't really have hope for that anymore. You see bill bar being written about in one thousand nine hundred. Ninety two BY PEOPLE LIKE BILL. Safire people who were hard core conservatives and yet they were out warning everyone like stay the fuck away from Bill Bar. Bill Bar is crazy. I'm paraphrasing bill. Safire HERE BILL. Bars fucking nuts. Like he's a criminal he's covering shit up he's making the rest of US look bad. He's bringing the liberation down. Only Shit I mean that's basically what it is although that's all wrapped up in this well-mannered kind of veneer so everyone should have seen this coming and everyone should have recognized this as deeply scary. You know like Bill Bar. And trump are two sides of the same coin. You get trump as the flamboyant clownish buffoonish asshole basically and then you get bill bar as the slick `institutionalised who people like Ben Witness. In the law fair blog will go and swoon. About and see how wonderful they are until they do. The Very Bill Barr things. Bill bars like program to do which is to be a crime machine which is to cover up the dirty work of criminals and it's gross. The whole system is disgusting. That is indeed the swamp like when trump said there was a swamp. He wasn't lying about that. All the people I just mentioned are in that Swab but trump is in that swamp to an all trump did was take the swamp and make it and put it around the White House and have it protect his family and their criminal interests. And that's it and we wanted to clarify we're not that shaming anyone here or not fat shaming the president states where shaming specifically just how physically mentally emotionally trump is unfit to be office. You personally can be any shape size. You want we all that right. Donald Trump specifically is somebody that has shown us again and again that he is mentally fit to be in office he is somebody who fat shames other people who shames other people for what they look like for anything any tiny little thing perceived or real and yet he is somebody who is just physically repulsive to look out. I simply cannot look at this person anymore. His inner utter lack of character is physically manifested like Java the hut and who he is as an individual so I just wanted to clarify that and in terms of it finally becoming mainstream that yes. This is authoritarianism. Women and people of Color Women of color have been calling this out since the beginning. The black lives matter movement was about calling out police state violence as we've always point out in the show black people. In AMERICA NATIVE AMERICANS IN AMERICA. I've always been on the forefront of confronting the the the strain of authoritarianism has always been a part of our country's history because we were built on centuries of the Holocaust is slavery itself. It's just gotten to the point where now white people including affluent white people are impacted including the DOJ and members of the DOJ an F. B. I like like Anne McCabe and others like those people were were normally cloistered from the strain of authoritarianism as always ran through our history and now they're not and that's what's changed things that's what's changed the game. It's gotten so bad. That white people are impacted. One of the best commentaries on the lenient. Paul Manafort sentencing was. Somebody wrote on twitter. Now you understand how white people how the justice system works. If you're rich and white you can get away with it. No matter how many leads you destroy and now we're looking at the possibility of manafort even being pardoned right so so it with stone nearly getting off here which is such a Roger Stone Magic. Dark magic trick to pull off. Who Do you think's next metaphor? And then he'll be free to commit more crimes as Putin's political operative hill dye his hair. Again he'll be probably one of the first things he does and he gets out of prison and he'll get his suit on and he'll do the table rounds you know cable. Tv news rounds and he'll be right back at it and people will fall for it again because white people who are cloistered from authoritarian strain in our nation's history are not impacted and not just a reality. That's just a reality. So we need to confront that reality and we need to change it. And we need to understand that We needed to take leadership from women especially women of color because they are on the frontlines and have a long history of building and fortifying communities to resist this and the imagine how exhausted they are by now so we need a fortify them and back them up and be the cavalry to the most vulnerable among us and not leave this on them to save our democracy because it's about all of us refusing to abandon each other now because things really are that bad so we do call on the Democratic leadership in the House to impeach William Bar as soon as possible. That impeachment trial will play out likely. Just like trump's did they'll be phenomenal. Must Watch TV coming out of the house things to Adam Schiff and others in the house and then it's going to go to the Senate where the Republicans in the Senate are going to humiliate themselves for all of history in front of all the world by voting to let our criminal off the hook. You'll still get incredible. Must Watch TV coming out. The Democrats like Adam Schiff really nailing them really nailing them for their utter lack of a moral courage and and we need that to play out again. Because guess what. William Bar will be the first attorney general of the United States to be impeached and he needs to go down in history without around his neck Weena. Absolutely make sure of that because we need to fight with all the power that we have at our disposal as of now who is to say that the Democrats will maintain the House of the twenty twenty election. The trump crime family needs to dodge accountability. They've been very good at doing that. They've amassed a fortune doing that over the years. Who's to say they're not gonNA play all stops to steal as many races that they can twenty twenty. Why wouldn't the Kremlin help them? Because one of the first things a Democrat would do one of the first things that the congress would do if it had enough of Democrats in power the first thing they do will be passed sanctions on Russia for its massive aggression and finally contain Putin's aggression. That's what they would do. And then guess what the EU would fall in line because the EU needs the US to be strong on the Kremlin. That's how it always has been. Of course the Kremlin and the trump crime family needed dodge accountability now. We don't know if we're going to have a fair and free election and that's not alarmist to say that because look at our attorney general right now look at what's happening in front of our very eyes while we have the house. Democrats absolutely must impeach him. Please call on your representatives to demand that the impeach bar. That's it because if you don't put your foot down if you don't fight back forcefully at every turn but especially early you end up in this situation. If for example iran-contra had been dealt with bill bar hadn't been around then to help people get off if these Republican criminal administrations had been put in check had been held accountable. Had been publicly. Shamed had not just been reappearing endlessly on Sunday. Shows or on news programs you know and had been treated as the Anti Democratic corrupt people that they are. We not be in this situation. If people had reacted to trump announcing his campaign by proclaiming Mexicans to be rapists and murderers by banning him from TV or just saying we're not part of that. We think that that's dangerous and horrible and is actually hurting people. Were not going to go along with us. That's what NBC initially did by the way they cancelled the apprentice over that and then within years you find them you know bowing down to him. That's what would happen. I mean I mean even thinking about Roger Stone how when everyone was so ecstatic thinking he was going to go to jail and he just immediately was on CNN. And all these networks palling around with the media that he pretends is his enemy but his actually his best friend and being legitimised by them so there needs to be a whole change in this entire system in you know who people uphold what they accept you know. I always encourage people to strike out on their own to not necessarily try to fit in to this system which is corrupted from within. But build your own media. Express yourself build your own projects. Because my God I it's just it's crowded and grotesque. It requires conformity at a level that no one should have to bear speaking of actually. This is a pretty decent segue into Bloomberg. Did you have anything you wanted to add on bar before starting to that speaking of Bar? Let's now talk about. Bloomberg's seamless segue. Which is absolutely true as Sarah's going explain well speaking of like gross institutionalists like people who are legitimized for horrible behavior over many years of time without facing reprecussions so we are against Bloomberg on guests at nation. I'm just GONNA come out and say that. Bloomberg is an incredible danger to democracy in my view. He is the most dangerous of the Democratic candidates. And I'm actually including Tulsi Gabbard in that in part because she just. I don't think she has a chance to actually win but his candidacy is an insult to voters. We should not have to choose between a kleptocrat meaning trump and a plutocrats meaning Bloomberg. Both of whom are racists both of whom have enacted vicious policies against children. Who AREN'T WHITE? Both of whom have been accused of sexual harassment by dozens of women both of whom seek to decimate basic services that benefit ordinary people both of defend dictatorships like Russia and China and both of whom are connected to Jeffrey Epstein Gylain Maxwell and their pedophile trafficking operation. I would just like one president who is not in a fucking photo with Jillian Maxwell or Epstein just one also like trump Bloomberg is someone who switches parties when it is politically expedient and now he is running as a Republican in Democrats clothing. We will never vote for trump. Obviously but the old mantra of vote blue no matter who does not apply to Bloomberg you cannot expect people to vote for someone who said this quote Amir five years ago and so. Here's what Bloomberg said about his notorious. Stop and Frisk Policy. This was brought up by Benjamin Dixon. So thank you for that. Thank you for all the things people are bringing back into the public eye so Bloomberg says ninety five percent of murders murderers and murder victims fit one. Mo You can just take a description xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities. Sixteen to twenty five. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city and that's where the real crime is so. This is not just factually wrong but it is disgusting. It is cruel. It is racist. No one should abide this or be asked to abide this so Bloomberg better than trump. Sure because nearly everyone is because trump is a sociopath within nuke fetish at the center of a Transnational Crime Syndicate but Bloomberg's election would destroy. Us Democracy in its own way. He has authoritarian tendencies. He is smarter slicker than trump and he seeks to build a technocracy. Probably along the lines of what we've been seeing in China. It is a frightening prospect. And so what everyone needs to do is vote in the primary and make sure that we do not have a Bloomberg versus trump election and finally last thing people should be vetting Bloomberg far more rigorously than they are. You may recall. Trump's spent his life in the public eye yet. The extent of his criminality still came as a shock to most Americans that is decades of criminality. Bloomberg was mayor when the Republican Mafia continued the money laundering operations. It had begun under Giuliani in the one thousand. Nine hundred ninety s under Bloomberg New York became not only a city for the wealthy alea before elite criminals. Bloomberg is the last person you want in charge of holding the trump administration accountable for in a world where white collar crime has merged with organized crime. He is part of that circle. Aim The further ado a very special guest on this week's episode an old friend of mine. While Sarah's he is a reporter that covered the Democratic primary in twenty sixteen for the US presidential election. And he's covering it again this year where he's on his way to. South Carolina and early voting states in this primary also happens to be an expert on the countries of Ukraine and Georgia where countries as both worries lived and an expert in aggression towards countries as well as foreign policy regards those states welcome senior reporter for Dot Com Terrell Germain Star. Hey I'm so happy to be here. This is like always listen Before now like actual guests and we have to save. Terrell happens to be a patriotic supporter of. That's not why he's on this show. Bloomberg my way on so well said well said well. Thank you for coming on. We really appreciate it. And so before we were starting to talk about Bloomberg. And you're a New Yorker. You have experienced living under his tyrannical rule. You also are an expert in kleptocracy in Russia's regime you've been following trump and covering elections for years. What are your thoughts on his candidacy? Well to tell you that one thing that we have to remember when we were discussing. Bloomberg is we have to remind ourselves that too often American reporters just the American media. Landscape covers America from the Lens of exceptionalism meaning that we are not like Russia. We are not like Ukraine. We are not like those other countries where we use these political science terms plutocracy kleptocracy aggressor or regime. But when you look at Bloomberg and what. He's done in particularly particularly the way in which he bought himself into his third term. It very much reflects of an oligarch somebody who uses their political power in order to exact the type of result that they seek now was different between a Ukrainian. Oligarch yours say the blooms are the American version of Bloomberg's oligarchy is that the modes are which they deploy. Their THEIR MEMPHIS is very different. So I'll never forget when I was in Ukraine and I was talking with a corporate lawyer and they were explained to me how the Ukrainian oligarchy works in the short version to joke is dead so Dimitri and Ukraine and there's a dmitry in and Moscow and so basically they're investigating corruption through the internal affairs offices of a company and so- Dmitri and you in Kiev somebody goes to a mysterious man says Dimitri is everything. Okay we understand that you've been asking some questions. Do you need assistance from us? And no same things happens in a Moscow. Scenario takes place now in Moscow. The very next day Dmitry car blows up and Ukraine. The same mysterious guy comes again the next day and then a week later. Dmitri's car blows up. The same scenario happens in which the mysterious man go to Mitri at the at the internal affairs and the mysterious man says. I heard that your car blew up. Is Everything okay? Do need any help. We can look into it for you and Moscow. Dmitry Says No. I don't need your help. The next day they kill him and Ukraine the next day the mysterious man comes and says I heard Dmitri. Do any help is everything. Okay and Imagery Says No. Now what happens in Ukraine? Is that the mysterious man comes for another few weeks and then finally kill the more of this joke is that in Ukraine and in Russia the oligarchs both kill you but Ukraine's nicer. No just give you more time to come to your senses. Sounds about right now. It sounds I heard? I'm like Oh this is just as just so more. But Yeah I mean the joke is that Ukrainians were just nicer but in reality. I'm saying that to say that Bloomberg's not killing anybody okay. He's he's not gonNA kill you but he but if you look at the MoD there which he deploys and when you think about stop and I when you think about how on one uses a misleading claim that stop and Frisk actually stops and reduce crime when it doesn't all you're doing as you're taking advantage of black and Brown bodies and you're pushing this narrative that particular mode of policy works when it clearly does not and so you're using this mode of a false this racist policy in order to strengthen your position as as a political leader so very much fits it explain what it stop and Frisk was the New York City for so long under Bloomberg. Yes over I. It was a policy which was stopped. Random people in very the theory is that you're in neighborhoods. Were were high amounts of pine for taking place. And so you're looking at black focused on black and Brown people particularly. I mean he has said this in recordings okay and so the idea is that you stop people who in these crime areas who in officers have the discretion to determine if they thought they were likely to cause crime right now. Legally the stops were not. They were not illegal. The problem was that there was a racial profiling component behind it. So that was the issue right. That makes it unconstitutional. But the way stop and I worked was that the theory was we're GonNa go to high crime areas. That was the theory but in reality so over the course of anywhere it went. Anyway I was. I was taking the Q train. I think the best seven Avenue Avenue. Stop of the q train and you see like a black child. Getting stop and Frisk by a gang of NYPD police officers in front of everyone. In broad daylight that was stop and Frisk like like black children and teenagers carrying about going out of business. Getting stop and Frisk in front of people. It's humiliation absolutely absolutely yes. There's absolutely correct. I mean I'm just giving you what they're three was. Bs can say something. When I was their age in high school I was a menace. I somehow got my driver's license and I proceeded to dry a hundred and twenty miles an hour get pulled over drive through stop signs. I became so good at talking to my way at a speeding tickets and and running. Stop signs in a way that if I were a black teenager doing that they would have derailed my life absolutely and so when I was living in. Eci for a period of time. You never saw this. Were they going down to the same nearly the same rates but it was really indiscriminate policy. Die Impact people across this city. And so you had ends you. Have you know. Hundreds of thousands of people were impacted by this and all those are unconstitutional end. Bloomberg until he threw his in for the presidency that he was wrong. Right exactly right and also the misogyny plus cases of sexual harassment so the the coalition of support that the Democrats need in order to defeat trump in November twenty twenty women and people of Color Women of color. Those are the communities that are going to be fighting their hearts out to make sure that voters show up. Those are the communities that Bloomberg checks all the boxes in terms of causing actual harm against and young people to I would add young people and poor people and younger people. Are you know poor people anyway? I WANNA hear it. Tyrel thinks so gone. Here's the thing was hard about. This is that much of the knowledge about stop and Frisk and all the horrible things. He's done all. This information is digital and for people most voters who are going to go to the polls who are the forty enough particularly the fifty and sixty and up are living analog realities and so when you go around the country a lot of folks. Don't even know this not know it because I travel and I listen to people talk about Bloomberg talking to talk about a write range of these folks and so the mistake that journalists make people like us make is that we assume that their level of knowledge and understanding of issues. Equal that of ours. And that's simply not true and so when you when they look at our Bloomberg they look at somebody but you girlie black people. They look at somebody who Ran New York City and think that they're if there's an exception to anybody who can move up from the city level to the national level it would be a Bloomberg and so they're not really into the nuances and nitty gritty. Stop and I and then we have to also deal with a very painful complex issue within our within black communities is that there's a complicated relationship between black folk and the police. There are a lot of people who have not come to the conclusion that having more officers on the street does not equal a reduction in crime and so the conversations around investing in schools investing divesting from the criminal legal system regards to jailing people just want their communities to be safe and they assumed that there's a police officer there then that means that's one of the least likely equal to them enduring any type of heart and you get that particularly from older voters who are not harassed to are not profile like younger. People are in those younger people while they may be. The most impact are the hardest wants to get to the polls. And so. That's what you're dealing with. You're not you're dealing with a generation of people literally a generation of people who can really tap into stop who can really remember. Stop and Frisk but the problem is getting them to the polls while the older voters who may find Bloomberg appealing it may not be as impacted by those policies. They're not hearing what we're hearing. And so that's the problem. Yeah I think that's a huge problem and also the geographic disparity like because this reminds me of trump like when trump ran people in New York tended to know his history. You know they'd grown up with him. As a tabloid figure they knew about bankruptcies they knew not the full extent of his criminality but the basics and out here in the. Mid West people knew him mostly as the host of the apprentice and the host of celebrity apprentice and they assumed if this guy has been in the public eye for so long the really bad stuff about him must have already come out. There can't be that much more to know and I kind of feel like the same thing might be happening with Bloomberg that people who were most directly impacted by him particularly black youth but also just people who live in New York City who read the New York City media. They tend to no more than folks who are out where I live. Who experienced the same policies? I mean I live in Saint Louis. Obviously so people are experiencing stop and Frisk. They're experiencing police brutality. They're experiencing a bad bureaucratic management from above. But what they're seeing on Youtube. And I know this because his his ads are so ubiquitous that even my nine year old is reciting to me things about Michael Bloomberg the Great Savior. They think Obama endorsed him. Bloomberg as an ad saying that they think he's the next LBJ Bloomberg has an ad saying that. They think he sincerely apologized for. Stop and Frisk which he didn't he did when it was politically expedient like what do you think of this on a national scale because your reporting takes outside of New York City quite often right. So do you notice that kind of disparity as well? Yes in the main problem is the press corps and it's racial makeup and we're covering these types of issues. Though trajectory for a national reporter like myself traditionally happens when you work at the Metro Desk. You worked at the Daily News Sarah so you know how this works and so is starting staff at the Metro Desk. You start off at City Hall or the City Council and you move up and so you build up your resume by going through those different steps and then you go into the national or the political death which which is I believe the New York Times. There's a national desert. There's a political at the same way with the Washington. Post is different and so when you get into the political desk you can go through those steps having any understanding of white supremacy of not understanding the way that Kleptocracies work. So you just so you go there without any ideological or political education that will compel you to ask the type of questions that were making into the national conversation and so that is the issue and so when you get on shows like meet the press you ha- or other Sundays morning shows. You don't have hosts that really put people like Bloomberg's feet to the fire to really ask them these types of questions and so they're not going to because most Americans are getting their news not through twitter or not through facebook. Facebook is a different animal. But they're not getting it on twitter. They're getting it on these shows where you just turn on their remote controls gathering mobile trolls. Turn the television set and there are watching. Cnn At in prime time and so it's primarily primarily the failure also to make up the press corps is more diverse than it was in two thousand sixteen. I see more people of Color on the campaign trail but the other issue is with the exception of Elizabeth Warren. For example you have to have the other candidates are challenging him to and so I see a Elizabeth Warren talking about red line talking about his racism a really robust extent but the other candidates parents not so much because they probably have their own issues to deal with if you think about it. So clo- Char Bernie Joe Biden all these people when you go back to holy seen US narrow time as prosecutors charge so it's a multi-faceted problem that is creating information gap that is not reaching these most vulnerable populations. And what do you think drives the kind of coverage that we're seeing know where we do have not only a a white male dominated media but also a media that can be bought a media economy that's been in tatters for awhile and that depends on people like Bloomberg or Jeff bezos or other billionaires to pump it up like. Where do you think the reluctance comes from a combination of all these factors of wealth and racism and just structural impediments or? Is there anything in particular that stands out? Well being a Ukraine expert where the media has largely owned by oligarchs. This makes symbolic an expert answering this question a couple of things one enoch even go back. Ukraine parts so you have some independent media outlets in Ukraine. That are pushing back against this. Oligarch bought media. So let's just say so. The thing is that in in at the fall of Soviet Union. This is more pronounced in Russia. There is in Ukraine and Russia's have been on steroids in Ukraine F- like there is some efforts to really challenge. You know to really push for independent media there too talk to a lesser extent but I mean but better than Russia but the thing is is that in both Ukraine and an America. What both populations share is a distrust and misunderstanding. What media does and so the distrust ranks? Kinda like in those professions as lawyers. You know the people who are the professionals at defend people who they know are guilty and then you have. The journalists who are seen as creating stories are not true. Just they can get that. They can get juicy headlights and so there is. There's is not a healthy relationship between media powers and the people who they want to consume their content. That's the to me. That's the number one problem because if you did have a healthier relationship you have people who will be more invested and supporting. Just think about this podcast right. Gasoline nation take about the people who are subscribing. I mean everyone who's listening. Please subscribe I mean. I am the Patriot and so getting people to support that work. That's something that matters. And so but in order to do really quality work just like me. Traveling on the road requires a lot of money and requires a lot of money that frankly a lot of independent media just does not have but in regards to in regards to the oligarch element of it. Media is one of those weird businesses where is the fourth estate but as a state strongly depends on the other dot culture. It depends on the wealth culture in order to survive and to be honest with you. It's always been that way. It's always been that way so now and you've always had political power. That's been using media in order to advance their concerns. That has not changed. I think what's changed is that it's kind of like cell phone cameras with police abuse your video recording in the case with social media we just have more information to tell us what's going on but the Bloomberg's of the world and I can't name them in the nineteen forties fifties sixties. But they were always there but also you just had a more than and more billionaires over the past thirty years or forty years and so when you see with people like vessels and Bloomberg who created his own enterprise. You START OFF IN FINANCE. Then moving onto media is that he they allow these people who saw that if I can create a media outlet that is independent because Bloomberg has won Pulitzer Prizes in the white range of national and International Awards It creates a very dangerous cocktail because we live in a capitalist society and because we live in a capitalist society that's unregulated it creates a blurred line where someone like. Bloomberg can come and use your media resources. And then there's no checks and balances for. That's that's really. That's the problem is capitalism in along with the fact that we don't know we we don't have a healthy relationship between media and the people who want to consume a Bloomberg News Bloomberg News Bloomberg News does some excellent reporting. Obviously and. It's just go back to your brilliant analogy where you basically said that all guards that tend to be on the democratic side of the spectrum in the US are like Ukrainian Olive Eric's whereas oligarchs that tend to be on the conservative side of the spectrum in the US or like Russian oligarch sir absolutely ruthless so in terms of Bloomberg it. Bloomberg News is certainly not Fox News. Excellent reporting there but what is troubling and what is very much stolid. Ukrainian style Lagarde is Bloomberg telling his news media company that they will not be reporting on his candidacy. I more or less. I don't know if that went down with Lewinsky per se but like I'll give you a comparison right so with But that's like that's bizarre. That was more authorities have a president. That's different on the press using Stalin's phrase calling calling the press. The enemy of the people. Are you know? So it's like we don't need another president. Who who is afraid of being scrutinized? But he was interesting is that no we don't but the thing is is that people don't realize that. Bloomberg is not -particularly different from trump in many ways. That's the main thing people don't understand the problem with this call for anybody. But trump is that it undermines the primary process when you're supposed to vet people who have problematic relationships with media and with money and with policy and and because you don't properly vet someone like Bloomberg or properly challenge someone Someone on their policy. And then you say okay. I think that this person may be better than trump without you know the you have someone like Bloomberg who can come in who has complete control of a major political apparatus to change the narrative. And that's what he does and that's what I'm saying. What makes them different from a Ukrainian? Is that because we have unions here because we have a we because we have a civil society here. There's a way in which Bloomberg cannot deploy a violent type of reaction or forces reporters to do anything to extreme what he directed to do political coverage of the campaign. That's one thing right you know. That's one thing. But as far as sending someone to reporters offices or doing something completely authoritarian. That's what makes it different. But what Bloomberg is doing authoritarian and the American system. That is kind of like you know you can't do something right. Because he has power because the threat. It doesn't have to be explicit right. That's the main thing with Americans a lot of money away to grassroots organizations. Every town is every town. Movement has been quite effective. It's it's an important part of the coalition in the in the in the political resistance to the fire at takeover of governments across state by state and so forth. So Y- I mean no one really wants to mess with her openly and no one wants to mess will Bloomberg openly because a million such a hiring machine that I I have friends that are like looking at Bloomberg money and thinking you know I really could I really payment mortgage but but but but see. That's the thing that's what all the guards do. And that's what makes him an American. They bite they buy your silence. Take advantage of your financial situation and they stack an oligarchy. And you're stuck you're stuck in oligarchy. And so the question for the person is that. Because I'm I'm having this conversation with black people who are supporting because there is a way because I work in black media that I can critique black people who support him in ways quite frankly white people can't out because I look at my people and Black. What the fuck is going on like look at you and have these very critical questions about stop and Frisk and bring folks to ties. But on my end I also see people see candidates who have a struggle raising money themselves when I covered the two thousand eighteen election's the midterms Iran to people at the state level and local level. Who Do the various organs of the Democratic Party in a in a in a financial structure cannot get support particularly black women now? Am I going to blame these black women and these marginalized folks who want jobs for taking the job where Bloomberg is somewhat of? It's honestly a tricky question. Because you have to ask yourself what. Part of the financial apparatus has failed a decayed to the point. Where somebody who was a person of color would go for somebody who's WHO's policies towards black people whereas disgusting as Bloomberg's and it deals with the larger issue of the failure for you know campaign finance reform. It deals with the failure of the larger organs of the Democratic Party to make entry into candidacy more equitable. And so we're talking about Bloomberg but this deals with a larger wider failure of the Democratic Apparatus in general Our discussion continues. And you can get access to that. 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"A qualcomm we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age Hello and welcome to the daily beans for tuesday december. Twenty second two thousand twenty today. Bill barr says there will be no special counsel for the two thousand twenty election and he will not order. Voting machine seized details of the covid relief package out a lawyer. From trump justice department speaks out. Congress restores medicaid benefits for pacific. Islanders trump is wing immunity from hamad bin. Salman the assassination of dissident and the death of jamal khashoggi biden gets the code vaccine alexei. Navalny matrix agent into telling them how they poisoned him. And the oversight committee wants to reissue. Its investigation subpoena for mazaar in the hundred and seventeenth congress. I'm your host ag. And i'm dana goldberg. Holy majoli dana. We have so much news today asleep. My god it's like breaking breaking breaking breaking breaking everything's broken. It's broken it's broken. It's all breaking all over our faces and we have a big show today. I'm gonna talk a our friend. Us former us attorney not to. He's hosted the on topic podcast. We're gonna talk about the legal ramifications of the oval office meetings that have been going on and we'll speak with dr jesse gold and we're going to about mental health health issues during covid and i think to some really important stuff in there definitely and then you and i are going to do the good news and now i have some quick headlines. I need to actually get out of the way before we get to the hot notes. That's how busy today is i. biden got the vaccine live on television. Thank the baby. Jesus whatever you believe in it was awesome. And he was sweet and wonderful and he thanked all the healthcare workers and frontline workers in essential workers. Everybody who works You know in the hospitals up and down the chain and then also give some credit to operation warp speed for getting some these vaccines out so soon and Just was very kind and very wonderful Joe biden dr. Jill biden also got the vaccine earlier today and remember when we reported could have been yesterday could have been two years ago On the judiciary committee and they wanted to reissue. Issue the mcgann subpoena in the next congress because every time congress expires all their subpoenas expire in their investigations expire and. We wondered if that was a signal that maybe the house. Democrats are gonna wanna continue some other investigations. I wondered that allowed with kyle cheney when he was on the show well Oversight committee has issued a letter today saying they want to continue their investigation into trump and his organization and the catch and kill stormy. Daniels payoff to cohen with the mazari's subpoena and reissued for one hundred and seventeenth congress And as we discussed that means any subpoenas in criminal referrals will be made to biden's department of justice so they would not be ignored. That's gonna be interesting. that's exciting. That just gives me a little tingle. So all of the subpoenas that they issued to the department of justice over the last four years where the department of justice was like. No we're not gonna. They're they're gonna so it's going to be interesting and dana know how yesterday we reported that fox news had to walk back. It's bullshit store. It's bullshit story about smart meditating machine yes growing today. Newsmax followed suit. They put out a statement So that just leaves one america news network and then of course the elite strike force. But it seems like that. Defamation suit has some teeth. And they're running eleven. I love to see. They need to be held accountable. Information that comes out of that quote unquote network makes me. Angry makes me. it's really annoying and also has probably caused a lot of deaths. Alexei navalny the opposition party to putin right in this last election. Who was poisoned. He actually posed. As a kgb. Guy or a kremlin guy and called up some of these Folks these bad guys who were like tailing and trying to poison him and got them to tell him how they were poisoning him. He pretended to be like. I needed an update on the navalny situation. And how all that went down. And they reveal to him that yeah. They put novacek in his underwear. Oh my god and they were surprised. He didn't die and the only thing that saved his life was the fact that that plane that he was on got diverted to germany and he was able to be given Those immediate shots that that that saved his life otherwise he would have surely died but they poisoned. Put noah talk in his underpants. That's how they did it. How does that even happen. I have so many questions i mean. I'm glad what an amazing story to that. He did this. But i do have many questions about how that got into his underpants. They put it there and they were like like the underpants in the groin area. We put it on the seems around. The flap is apparently my went down. Seems a little pointed doesn't it. Why shouldn't we're under where people let it breathe. Just let it breathe tokyo. Poison your dick. All right we do have those are some quick headlines of breaking news that i couldn't get into the script but i had to get into this episode last minute now. Let's let's do the other thing. That's at the heart notes hot notes. All right leave story. Attorney general william p bar said on monday pibor that he saw no reason to appoint special counsels to oversee the justice department's ongoing criminal investigation into hunter biden or to investigate president trump's basics baseless claims of widespread voter fraud again undercutting donald's the donald's efforts to bend the department to his political will and overturned the results of the election. So this was an interesting news conference in this news conference. He was there to announce charges in an unrelated terrorism case. But mr bar said he did not quote. See any reason to appoint a special council to oversee the ongoing investigation into the younger mr biden. I have no plan to do so before i leave. Which means. maybe somebody like jeffrey rosen. Who's taking over. Might have a plan to do so after bar leaves. But they didn't go into that. Mr bar said to the extent that there is an investigation. I think that it's being handled responsibly. And professionally. he also said that he would name a special council to oversee an inquiry into election fraud if he felt one were warranted quote. But i haven't and i'm not going to li added that he saw no basis for the federal government to seize voting machines which is another executive order. Trump was trying to get past in that friday night. Oval office meeting so bars like no. No nope nope. And no and no and by you know kinda like that fuck you for q. q. Cool fuck you out. That's what he does. It's what he does. He has no loyalty to donald. You kidding me. I'm sure he got a lot out of everything he covered up. One thing that did happen bill coming at least we think we do a relief. Bill now this is a deep with information. Congress plans to pass on monday. A bipartisan nine. Hundred billion dollar covid relief bill this after months and months and months of negotiations over its final details leaders of both parties are loud the agreement claiming victory for provision. They were able to get in and of course keep out. The measure includes up to. I'm so fucking irritated at this number eight g. It's so hard for me okay. The measure includes up to up to up to six hundred dollar relief. Check for the many americans as well as an assortment of aid for small businesses and money to purchase and distribute vaccines. Now the relief check. This is a six hundred dollar direct payment check for every adult and child. Earning up to seventy five thousand dollars. My children are way over that. So i know cuny Invisible kids individuals. Earning between seventy five and ninety nine thousand would get smaller checks and the benefit cuts out entirely for individuals. Earning over ninety nine thousand dollars. Now listen i want to see how they do this because my income for twenty twenty is very different than my income for two thousand nineteen. So it'll be interesting to see if they're doing enough twenty nineteen taxes. They're basing this on twenty nine taxes right so that that doesn't set well for us that we did okay in two thousand nine hundred and then our entire income was decimated because of the pandemic will hate. Don't worry they're super fucking dumb. And i was supposed to get any money in the last stimulus i got both my husband and i who's now accent very proud of that. Got the full amount. They also sent like billions of dollars to dead people. So there's they're very very. I ended up donating it. But like you could get the full thing. So yeah all right other things that go in this unemployment benefits. Lawmakers agreed to extend enhanced unemployment benefits for jobless workers who will receive up to three hundred dollars per week through mid march. Also not what it used to be. Self employed people in gig workers will also receive extended assistance. That may be something. I need to look into rental assistance. The measure is gonna incl- include twenty five billion to help families pay their rent in an extensive eviction moratorium now in effect until january. Thirty first snap assistance. Democrats say the measures includes an additional thirteen billion for the supplemental nutrition. Assistance program goes onto small business help. Ppp loan agreement includes some two hundred eighty four billion for paycheck protection program loans. Maybe they'll go to someone other than these fucking megachurches. Democrats say they expanded eligibility for the loans to include nonprofits and local newspapers. Along with tv and radio stations. Also i love this one. fifteen billion. We'll be reserved for live venues independent movie theaters and cultural institutions which have been struggling do the pandemic force since force closures. That will help a lot of people like me who once we can meet in small groups to perform those venues will still be hopefully open childcare centers according to the republican summary of the plan the measure includes ten billion dollars childcare centers to help provide for them to safely reopen vaccines. This is obviously very important test. The agreement include sixty billion to purchase and distribute cove nineteen vaccines and help states conduct testing according to the republicans summary twenty billion of that funding will make the vaccine available at no cost for anybody needing it. Yes keeps going on broadband access. The measure contains seven billion to increase access to broadband internet including a new emergency broadband benefit. That democrats say will help. Millions of students and families and unemployed workers afford the broadband they need during the pandemic. A lot of people haven't been able to stay in touch if you will because go to school exactly of losses there so transportation lawmakers agreed to provide forty five billion transportation that sixteen billion airlines to pay the salaries of workers and contractors. Because they've had to furlough a shit ton of people so hopefully they'll be able to keep more on fourteen billion for mass transit agencies ten billion for highway one billion for amtrak education. This is very important. The measure contains eighty two billion in funding for schools and universities to assist with reopening including according to republican summary. Two point seven. Five billion for private k through twelve education agriculture. This so many things in here. There's some thirteen billion in the measure for farmers and agriculture including money under the coronavirus food assistance program for growers in livestock dairy and poultry producers. That's a very big deal medical bills. The measure also includes a provision ending surprise. Medical billing republicans say patients would be required to receive a true and honest cost estimate three days before any scheduled procedure that billing disputes would be subject to arbitration. And that's great because we have more packard on who was talking about this and enriching neal was holding it up in the house ways and means committee because he was being lobbied So this is such such good news that this made it in their wonderful tax deductible meals lawmakers also including a provision sought by president trump making the cost of meals a deductible business expense. This is the three martini lunch. This is basically allows rich business people to write off their of you. You still only be able to write off fifty percent of your meals now. You can read one hundred percent and trump wanted this in there Wonder why Thank you for that overview. The six hundred dollars is stupid and everyone needs to stop blaming democrats. this is. that's not what they wanted. So we need to lay the blame where it belongs. Which is on mitch mcconnell shoulders. And that's why we need to vote in georgia woo so we can get the senate back so we can pass actual shit that matters next up. A former trump department of justice lawyer named eric newlyn published an opinion in the times. She says i was an attorney. At the justice department went. Donald trump was elected president. I worked in the office of legal counsel. This is where presidents turn for permission slips to say their executive orders and other contemplated actions or lawful. I joined the department during the obama. Administration's career attorney whose work was supposed to be independent of politics. I've never harboured. Delusions about a trump presidency. Trump readily volunteered as agenda. Was to disassemble our democracy but a major choice to stay on home to some the department of justice home to some of the country's finest lawyers for as long as i could bear it. I believe that. I could better serve our country by pushing back from within keeping my hand then by keeping my hands clean but i have come to reconsider that decision. My job was to tailor. the administration's executive actions to make them lawful in narrowing them could also make them less destructive. Jeez i remained committed to trying to uphold my oath even as the president refused. Hold his but there was a trade off. We attorneys diminished the immediate harmful impacts of president trump's executive orders but we also made them more palatable for the courts after the supreme court june two thousand eighteen decision upholding the third muslim ban. I reviewed my own portfolio which included matters targeting non-citizens dismantling the civil service and camouflaging the president's corruption overcome with fear that i was doing more harm than good by thanksgiving of that year. I left my job still. I felt i was abandoning the ship. I continue to believe that a critical mass of responsible attorneys staying in government might provide that last line of defense against the administration's worst instincts. Even after i left. I advise others. They could do good by staying news. Reports about meaningful pushback by justice department. Attorneys seemed to confirm this thinking. I was wrong watching the trump campaign attacks on the election results. I now see what might have happened. If rather than nip and tuck the trump agenda responsible justice department attorneys had collectively ethically lawfully refuse to participate in president trump's systematic attack on our democracy from the beginning the attack would have failed and we are best efforts to restore democracy and to share what we've learned to help mobilize enact reforms to remind future. Government lawyers that when asked to undermine our democracy the right courses to refuse and hold your peers to the same standard to lead by example and to everything in our power to ensure. This never happens again. If we don't it will. I feel like eric canoe and just wrote in quarantine confession to the daily beans. Like i feel like that was personally. Yeah for us. So i know that i mean. I think that this was difficult for a lot of people that have you know. One of my best friends who's worked in the fish and wildlife you know she protects mexican gray wolves. She this is her. This is administration. That's her boss. And she had to go to dc a few times and it's one of those things where you're like. I know i'm doing good in the world. But i have to work for the son of a bitch or you know what. Damage your mind. Doing you know it's it's the people that know better. You know that that experiment you know if you know you're going to shock the person on the other end you still push the button. Yeah i stayed in as long as i could. I was going to stay in the whole time. Try to thwart off the attacks. On on the department of veterans affairs in his attempts to try to privatize it But they they decided they made the decision for me. That i had no longer be working there. So yeah i you know. I probably will weigh in on this more with opinion when i can think about it harder. There's a lot of different sides. Part of me is like fuck you and the other part of me is like i know what you mean so i don't really know work down. There will be more with that. I'm sure a lot of people are gonna be writing these dear abby letters from this administration. This is a good news story though in that. We're gonna do nounce till the end. But the way maybe over for tens of thousands of marshall islanders after nearly twenty five years of seeking to correct and oversight that denied them federal health benefits congressional negotiators on sunday agree to allow marshall lease living in the united states. To sign up for medicaid revising. Drafting mistake drafting mistake. Ag nineteen ninety-six welfare reform. Bill that the islanders from the program according to three people with knowledge of the deal democratic lawmakers like senator mazzy hirono and her hawaii colleagues had spent about two decades trying to restore the islanders coverage saying that the united states broken. Promise to the marsh lease after using homeland to test. Dozens of nuclear bombs but legislative. Proposals repeatedly died without republican support. This spring. The house passed a bill to restore the islanders medicaid for the first time in more than twenty attempts although of course now it is stalled in the senate why i think we can all guess why. Yeah well well. I love that i just. I think the thing that really gets to me is that it was an administrative error. That right in one thousand nine hundred six and then once it was gone like no republicans wanted to come back you know makes me wonder who was really a mistake and now i mean come on remember during the election where that wire got accidentally cut in virginia or wherever slew. No hell happened. Just were wired. Got cut cleanly really nicely with bolt cutters. Yeah there's a big admission that these people weren't going to get health insurance. Don't know what happened. Must have been a typo. Let's move on for twenty years. Oh my fucking god all right. Well i'm glad they got that in there now with the disparate communications between trump and the justice department There are still many open questions about the legality of what trump is doing. And flynn and powell and we'll be right back with renato marriott heated discussion those issues and then later. I'll be speaking with dr jesse gold about mental health concerns during covert and locked down. So stay with us everybody. It's ag in. Today's episode of the beans is brought to you by fight camp. Everybody's stuck at home. The gyms are closed. And that's good but it could be bad for your workouts. Because i always need to have fresh workouts and i missed the gym so you have to check out fight camp. It's an at home boxing. Body weight workout. It's by real fighters and it's made for all levels from season fighters to first boxers and even kids kids love it and the box workout as always ranked as one of the best ways to get in shape. It really is. 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So congratulations thank you. Thank you very much. Wonderful news a little busy lately so we haven't seen as much on twitter. That's why and taking care of my personal life here. Well i'm glad to hear it. And so today i wanted to talk to you about your tweet wrote this yesterday. This is regarding that Unhinged oval office meeting between trump flynn sydney powell among others and apparently sydney powell's been back to the white house since this meeting took place and you tweeted. He wrote the mere fact at the present. A united states is considering. A military. Coup is alarming. That would mean the end of america's we know it. Let's not mince words here using martial law quote unquote to overturn. The election is a coup. It's beyond unconstitutional. it's evil now. We've sort of quelled everyone's fears about this actually happening right because secretary. The army's like we're not involved. I know general milia said this. The joint chiefs have been like sit down. We're not coming to stop or do whatever for your election. They've they've already made their position. Clear the united states military regardless of who he yanked out of the pentagon and right and and so. We aren't actually worried about this happening. But my concern. I think i think everyone else's concern is the legality that the meeting took place in the first place. So i would. Here's what i would say. Look it's it should be alarming. Everyone that the president of the united states is meeting with people who want him to use the military to overthrow the election and publicly calling for that right as since you use the military to see the seize control and he's entertaining the idea. And i i suspect his defense would have to be To this is it is it is it. Is that legal. No okay just make it clear slur though that's not legal no that's not constitutional either His i think his best would be as a starting point. I never actually did it and we never agreed to do it. I was just hearing what people had to say. Considering they options now it would be a stra story. I'll be my first offense if i was If i was his lawyer. I'd say look there's no conspiracy because no one agree to do this. They were just discussing it you can. It's free country. You can say whatever you want. But he didn't actually take any substantial step towards doing this. So there's no attempt attempt and there's no agreement so there's no conspiracy. Now let's just pretend hypothetically because i can imagine this might be our next question would ask general. Flynn and trump agreed to do this to set this plan in motion and he sent general flynn to do things. Trump started making phone calls to the military and directives and order them to do it and they refuse Yeah i mean. I think we'll one. I think one certainly would have an argument that this would be a lot of people on twitter throwing out this statue seditious conspiracy of you know. Is it a two or more people conspiring to overthrow or put destroyed by force. The government of the united states. I mean you could make that argument. I think I think the. I sure his defense attorneys would have some counterarguments to while. You're not trying to overthrow the government you try to. He really thought he was trying to Uphold the election results or so forth. But they're certainly. It would certainly violate the law there. I think you'd have an are good argument to make that. It would be a violent criminal. Statute it would certainly be an abuse of power And look. I think we're just moving to the point where we're kind of beyond Talking about the if we're sitting here and debating how this would play out in a criminal trial. I mean literally. Time at the present trade overthrow democracy. This is like hollywood violet. Villain stop right. I mean this is like the stuff that you watch on. Tv you think is so crazy that no one would actually do this. It's it's less crazy than what we see. Sometimes that flex or it's more crazy. I should say so. I you know i to me. This is the sort of thing that it's It's it says something about our country that this man is actually inside the oval office doing this in the no one cares. No one a lot of people. Don't care i should say and Rudy was in the room. So i i figure they might try to throw out attorney client privilege but that's a simple end. Run around that with you. Know the crime fraud exception. And of course there's probably an executive privilege thing but i think people have to work for the government and flynn doesn't I i don't know. I mean there's so many different things to consider here but bar came out today and said in a press conference. I am not seizing voting machines. There will not be a military coup. I'm not appointing a special counsel to look into twenty twenty election problems. I'm not appointing a special counsel to look into hunter biden He what what's going on. Because what what i feel like is trump went to bar bar said no. Then trump went to pat sip. Baloney and rudy giuliani and brought in flint and sydney pollen and even rudy giuliani was like nah and simple owner mark meadows were like nah and so then trump had his own private meetings with flynn and sydney pow. Because those are the people who are telling him the answers he wants to hear. But what is what do you make of this bar thing. He trying to clean up his act before he gets out you know. I think here's how i would understand bar vars a guy who would take trump's a desires rants and he would try to figure out how legally he could get from point a point b in a way that would achieve what trump wanted. I will say in some ways. He he was acting as somebody who has a higher lawyer for client in other words lawyers often get all you have clients who want bizarre silly things and they figure try to figure out. Okay you're paying me eight hundred dollars an hour thousand dollars an hour. Let's figure out how. I can get you somewhere close to where you wanna be using the law. Well that's what i think barr would try to do. Sometimes he would sometimes lie sometimes mislead but he was never trying to do something truly be insane. Okay totally totally all outside of the four corners of anything anyone could ever imagine. And now you have trump literally trying to do just like overturn the election. I mean he's just off the rails and of course bars off team trump at this point bars on his way out. He's a we joining us. Family on the twenty third or whatever that was you know that that long letter was so i think i think bars not has wants to have no responsibility for whatever trump does after he leaves us washing his hands. Conscious pilot Of that and i think he he basically just as like. I don't wanna have anything to do with this. This is too crazy for me. And i will say this. A one thing that i think are your listeners. Need to think about. Ag is that in some ways we've been we've been fortunate to have a president who is so incompetent at achieving his end that he's not been able to do many some many of the evil things that he's wanted to do and i think bar somebody who's actually very clever and devious getting things done and trump is basically so off the rails that he's alienated bar. He's left with other incompetent. People around him for the most part. And i mean the news. I'm waiting for the news. i'm waiting for. Is that because what bar went through was a list of shit that trump obviously obviously asked him for and he said no. And that's where they had these contentious yeli meetings That you know people could see through the oval office window. They're mad at each other I at some point. Imagine trump asked bar for an office of legal counsel memo that he could pardon himself. And i'm waiting for that news to drop because bar wasn't asked that today do you. Can you trump part himself. And he wasn't asked that today but i guarantee you. Trump has spoken to bar about pardoning himself because he's his lawyer right he's as guy he's a half roy cohn i guess So i'm waiting for that news to drop and we'll see i personally. Think that if he can't get pence to pardon him or he would feel better about pardoning himself and just to see hope that sticks in that nobody challenges it because they may not you know they might be like. We're not going to touch that. Pardon but you know. We'll see how that goes. But i'm just interested also to see when bar is gone when he goes to spend more time with his family. What trump's going to try to get away with just very well issue an executive order for the department of homeland security to seize these voting machines. Now i know. I'm pretty sure immediately and correct me if i'm wrong. A federal judge will bench slap an injunction on that immediately even if just for the reason that the director of department of homeland security is not lawfully. There he's not even authorized to be the director of that agency. So i mean what. What would that look like. Because we know he doesn't follow the law so if he actually tried to do it. Do you imagine there would be pretty quick. Federal court action. Yeah exactly right so one thing everyone should understand is that elections are administered at the state and local level in this country. We don't have a federal You know there's a federal election commission but it really is deals with things like fun. Fundraising limits and stuff like that. It doesn't actually administer election so if the department of homeland security came to my state of your state and said okay. We wanna seize. The voting machines are states would say well. Hey this this is our property. By what authority are you taking. Our property Sort of like coming in and seizing stuff out of city hall or seizing seizing. Something out of the governor's office get just come and do that. You don't have is on if you have a warrant seizure warrant from a judge or some other lawful reason to commandeer our property so i expect a very quick action becau- you know and i would imagine a judge would issue an injunction. Ironically i think one of the first places that would be going to court would be georgia because they have an election coming up. I don't really think they want all their election jeans to be seized by the federal government. They need to have an election soon. Themselves the amount of of problems that might cause for them internally could could potentially actually harm the state and conducting its own electric toilet forward. Yeah and We may we may end up seeing something crazy like that after christmas We'll see. I don't know that that oval office meeting really concerned me and again. Not because i'm worried that they'll be successful at a coup. But that they're planning one in the oval office it's just astounding is a sounding date all. Hopefully we don't have a A christmas present from trump coming up. I hope you're wrong about that. But he's he always manages to Fall below are our expectations. that's for sure. Well at least be getting some pardons pretty soon as i imagine and I think mark my words. I think the term post pardon crime is going to become very popular in twenty twenty one. We'll see how that goes everybody renato mariotti former. Us attorney host of the on topic. Podcast you really need to check that out if you get a chance. Thanks so much. I appreciate your time. All right thanks again. Everybody stick around. We'll be back with dr jesse gold to discuss mental health issues. While we're all on lockdown stay with us. Hey everybody it's eighty my favorite part of the day. These days is my shower. Absolutely love it. 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Because there are so many things going on With regards to mental health and how it's our mental health has impacted by covert and and i want to talk first about what you're seeing with. Not just the lockdown and mental health issues but the grief just the sense of grief that so many people are experiencing. Thank you for even asking. It's really interesting like have been all these articles. Recently that are like the hidden pandemic the mental health concern in the new wave. And i've been dealing with this. I mean before kovin. Obviously but i sure since cogan started i mean when you tell people that they have to stay in their house and even if they have pre existing mental health conditions. That really can hype up hearings. Id because it's a lot of uncertainty anytime you leave like change and any type of change in schedule. But you can't give anybody answers that's gonna make uncertainty kind of really really high and if you already have anxiety that's gonna go up if you're gonna tell them they're gonna go in their house without sort of like social supports. I think that makes people afraid that they're gonna get depressed in the longer. That's gone on people. I think were really able to do that for a month. And we didn't see a lot of people with depression right away nine months and now we are and i think that makes a lotta sense because the longer you're at home or the longer your routines changed longer. You're unable to socialize in the way you were able to the longer you were unable to cope in the same ways it becomes harder and harder to pretend you don't feel like that you feel good you know the sadness comes out. You can't just smile it away or you can't just go running for a walk outside and it goes away you know in the grief aspect i think is something we definitely are not talking enough about out loud. You know. we barely talk about the numbers of people who have died. There are three hundred thousand people who have died in their articles. That suggest every person who dies has like nine people connected to them who are bereaved. That's a lot of people. I can't do the math off the top of my head you know. Zeros there Two point seven million right. that's a lot In doesn't mean all of those people are going to need to see me but it means all of those people are experiencing emotional reaction that we're not talking about right and maybe they're talking about it in their smaller sort social circles. But if you don't feel like the general ethos is like validating your lived experience. That's hard you're sitting with trauma and reeve that you're hiding from the world because nobody wants to talk about it or you think it's not okay to talk about it when it should be and i think that's a challenge for people when we should really be supporting people through this. Yeah and you know you go ahead and think about the stigma that already exists With mental health issues It's gotten a lot better. I've noticed over the last couple of decades where to have a therapist is is is a fine thing whereas it used to be. You didn't tell anyone that kind of personal information. But something. I've noticed because i had ptsd and anxiety for decades. And so. i went into the the lockdown with this. Been something i've noticed too. And i think that A lot of folks that i've spoken to are experiencing this as well that had pre existing mental health Conditions is that. It's now that you're at home and it's quiet. It's hard to run away from. Or i should say maybe healthily cope with by working outside of your house. These mental health conditions. Now you have your here with your thoughts and your alone and you have to confront them and and move through them. And i've i've seen on one hand. It's actually been very good for me to to live through those emotions instead of ignoring him. Boxing them up and compartmentalizing them. But i also understand how it would be very difficult for someone who perhaps hasn't taken a c. t. or cpt or some therapy and knows how to cope with those feelings when they drop in and say hi. Do you know what i mean And had a lot of my patients say that they felt more prepared because they did have coping skills and coping strategies than than some people. Because you know when you're stuck in your house your rate like they took away all of the normal coping skills for people which is socializing or going for walk walker going to a restaurant or going to the movies like even these things that like. You convince yourself you could do alone. I think people do go to the movies alone and people do go to restaurants alone and they're okay with that you know or sit in a library or go get coffee but when those are all closed in. You're stuck in your house if you haven't gone there before you don't have other skills that you know you can turn to by yourself and you can rely on in yourself to cope. It's really hard and you're right like people who have been there before did tell me that that was a lot easier of a transition but after nine months they run out of the ability to say like you know journaling is not working i. I'm really journaled out. Dr gold and like i need something else and like what else can i do. I was trying so hard. And i was doing so well but is long so i think there were doing really well. They do have skills and they're a lot of skills to choose from because they're they're pretty well trained in. That was definitely helpful but if it gets this the longer it's gone on it's gotten a lot harder that's a really good point because a lot of those skills are just kind of minute to minute or or repair or Band-aid on move along. Kind of skills right and and they weren't designed for nine onset home. You're you're right. And maybe that helps us or makes us rethink Those kind of coping mechanisms or skills to have to deal without anxiety Something else that. I'm extremely concerned about. Because i you know i worked in the healthcare profession for over a decade. I've worked in multiple hospitals And i'm i have still have many friends who are healthcare workers and healthcare providers and nurses and lvn's and and you just anybody who works in in the hospital or essential care workers and burn out was already a thing for nurses. There's been a million studies when i went and got my phd. Everybody was doing their dissertation on burnout. I can't imagine what it's like now. And i and i see a nightly on motto. She'll have care Our heroes are healthcare heroes coming on and saying that they're just having a really hard time With this what. And i know you've written some pieces on this. What are you finding amino a good portion of my clinic is also healthcare workers. I see sort of the gamut of people who work in healthcare so people who the hospital like say hi to people in the hospital to the high up administration in the hospital. So i see everybody. And everybody's struggling. There's not one level of a person in the hospital system or you know little village of the hospital that i like to call it. That is not struggling. Every aspect is different. But they're having a hard time and you're right we did not start with a great baseline you know. You mentioned nurses having high rates of burnout soda. Doctors doctors the studies. It's about fifty percent in nurses about thirty. Am i think mid thirties and it should probably be higher studies. and doctors are among the highest rates of suicide of any profession. Before the pandemic any throw you know higher rates of death in a in on the wards than they've ever seen before without any sort of solution. So they're seeing a lot of death and they don't know how to do anything to help people you throw line rationing hair or even the concept of possibly rationing care. You throw on the idea that they could get sick themselves or bring that home to their family and people are and have died who are healthcare workers right which leads to short staffing which piles onto it as well right and even if you just get sick as a healthcare worker you have to be out for whatever amount of quarantine leads to short staffing right and i think you know we are so interdependent in our field on each other and each other being well and each other functioning in all of our little cogs of this system rate and it's it's just a recipe for burnout in so many ways. Then you know we nurses and doctors are sort of getting pulled from other fields to cover and nobody wants to do that right. Like nurses wanted to the field that they're working in doctors wanna do the field that they're working in trained in you know we don't want to all of the sudden be working on a covert us to like. It's just not were were trained by. I'm a psychiatrist you don't want me in your icu. I mean i trained in medicine. And i'm probably better off working in icu than like somebody you picked off the street but i love psychiatry for more than just the fact that i'm a psychiatrist it needs my personality. It fits the things that keep me going being in the is stressful for me and hard for me right emotionally. So if you pull someone like me who might the found being in the er surgery or even seeing that much death hard in training to being back in that environment let alone like being back in that environment without being there in a long time that too is like a whole 'nother stressor right and then you add on the sword of political ethos of being a healthcare provider right now and You know being very pro science in place that is not necessarily pro science and sort of representing something healthcare workers. I never thought that they would represent in really just trying to do the best job they can to help. People and save people keep doing their jobs. But it really gets tiring in hopeless to do your job when there's just an endless influx of people with no resources noah listening to you so you know it's it's not easy and plus they're humans like we you know we don't like to admit for humans but we sure have emotions like them and we also have lives like that. You know like the same things that everyone else is struggling with kobe. You know the adjustments the schooling from home of their kids the husbands and partners that are having difficulties in their jobs. The every of their struggle also happens for healthcare workers. So it's you know if you think about that to you. It's not like they're just struggling mayor. There's always other stuff too so it's hard. Yeah i i. I just can't imagine you know. I was administrator in a hospital. So you know sort of like you. I won't say. I am like you. Because i was just a administrative dr not a not a medical doctor but i didn't have any medical training but you know i couldn't imagine that i didn't go into that field because that's not what meets my needs so i can't even imagine and then you you know you brought up a great point. They're struggling with everything. We're already struggling with and on top of that doing this job. Finally before i let you go. Do you have any advice for everyone as we head into the holiday. We're already a lot of holidays. Have already come and gone. But you know we're in the holiday season and that can just add an extra little special touch of loneliness and sadness For those who are you know. And it's not so much. I always liked to stay home it it. It's not that it's that you can't you can't go out How how do we sort of. Do you have any advice for how we see kind of cope with that with through the holidays totally. I mean definitely hard when people tell you can't do something because all the sudden you miss it you know it's like it just really creates a different way of viewing things but you know there's a couple of things wine feel whatever you wanna feel about. It were very mean to ourselves about the gamut of emotions. So if we're happy when we think we're supposed to be sad because people are grieving in it's not okay for us to have good feelings about holidays that's not true because you're allowed to feel happy and still grieved for people. You're disrespecting their grief for having a good holiday so you can feel whatever you wanna field. This whole thing is hard and you should have the gamut of feelings about it. That's just the way that so. I i would say that second. I would say if you feel like you're shoving like old traditions onto like a new situation and it's just not gonna fit and it's making you super stressed out and suber angry. Throw it all away and do something completely different. Just call twenty twenty bogey in do something like completely new. Don't like make new traditions like you know order in different kinds of food and watch different kinds of movies and just do not try to fit old traditions onto this and like have a completely different year and not make it a lot easier and you will not feel stressed out and three i would say just like overall. This is a hard holiday season. We need to just be kind to each other and ourselves. I think we are not good at that. You know like we we just. Are we judge ourselves for not cooking correctly. We judge ourselves for the wrong present. We judge ourselves for the tree being wrong for the new years. Like you know couple of people. We have over with masks on not being a perfectly cooked like whatever you know we just judge ourselves for everything there is to be judged for and i just think it's a year that judgment shouldn't exist and we should release spend the time reflecting on what we like learned in twenty twenty both good and bad. I think that we can't pretend twenty. Twenty didn't happen and we need to say like what was twenty twenty for us. What was the good parts of. What was the bad parts of it. And how are we gonna grow from that. And i think we'll all get to a better place because i like it show kindness to others. Show yourself some grace and give yourself a mulligan for the holidays. I think that that is Probably the best advice. We can take. And i appreciate you coming on and talking to us today about it Because i know there's a lot of people struggling. Can you tell people where to find you or where they can find some resources before. I let you go absolutely. I'm on twitter. Instagram at dr jesse gold jesse spelled j. Ssi all resources. I mean i like ed. American foundation for suicide prevention. That's a great place is a great place. Both of those are really great resources there like an eye af sp dot work awesome. Thank you so much. I appreciate your time today. Doctor jesse gold slightly. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back with a good news. Everybody it's ag. In this portion of the podcast is brought to you by echelon. This is an amazing company providing the best in connected fitness at an affordable price. If you're like me you're looking for exciting engaging home workouts that are also fun. And that means you have to check out echelon national one knows. There's no substitute for the rush of endorphins from a really great workout initial. I'm will help you achieve all your fitness goals. And you'll enjoy doing it. Their services amazing one echelon membership. Let's up to five household members. Receive all the benefits. 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But he he makes a compliment sandwich. Which i love. He says you do great analysis of legal theory impossible case against the president and his cronies and your understanding of the nuances is really on the point in the episode. The gift that keeps on. Gifting you said that according to members of jag That you knew a separated service person could not be brought before a court martial. That's not entirely correct. An officer who retires with pension is considered still part of the service for the duration of his or her pension and therefore subject to the uniform code military justice in addition to civilian law professor stephen vladeck of the ut law. School is spoken about this. And i believe gave oral arguments before skoda's keep up smart reporting of the news. It's a good part of my morning routine. And i'm glad to be a patron of your show. Thank you david yeah i. I'm surprised i didn't ask steve that when he was on the show Love steve vladeck. 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I would receive an email every day that had some challenge could easily do practices like make something that fits in the palm of your hand or gopher five minutes directionless walk and make art with you find there and then i was supposed on social media with challenge. Hashtag hashtag when the challenge was to take something that you would normally throw away or get rid of and use it in a way. That isn't normally used. It was my opportunity to use those empty toilet paper rolls about about what i had made with. Amy said jeremy binoculars also. Jeremy would be happy to know that he could use them along with some. Bobby pins to curl hair us. He attached picture his wife would be happy to know that after this art was finished i sent all the roles to recycle which was like a whole paper bag full of them. I don't use. I don't i don't use i don't have pets but i'm hoping you'll accept as tax picture of some of my roommates single and wedge head. They're constantly up to drunken shenanigans. And i woke up to find them like this one morning. Hope you're doing well and thank you for the daily beans. You are highlight of my day. Okay first of all these paper rolls. Curling hair is a fantastic photo with the with the binoculars. I know and here's the roommates quote unquote. Yes cinco and wechat very nice. These are ugly dolls. I believe are what they're called and we'll send out a picture of that so you can see it. Looks like co wig and then the other one zoro with with underpants. Yeah with a mask. Underpants are bikini. Could be could be anything. Something that alexia navalny should avoid in the future either way next up from he and him anonymous. I'm assuming derby queens. It's been a rough year to say the least between the shit show of this administration. The cascading impact to our democracy. Really the only thing that's ever trickled down and this pandemic it's is this pandemic. it's been a trying year. A few family members came down with covid. Nineteen in one passed away from it. My grandmother passed. I lost a dear friend to despair and the pandemic is brought things to a head for the marriage of two friends as the year comes to an end. It's easier reflect on the horrible things that have happened if only to be able to turn the page on. What's felt like a an epic it's epoch ep. For a long period of time it's also easy to discount and overlook accomplishments. No matter how small they may appear. I think everything should be evaluated to a big win. Considering what was done during a pandemic. I went back to school in january. Got a puppy. I survived a company spin off that led to two promotions. None of it was easy. I learned a lot about myself. I learned to set boundaries. Never never mind the quarantine. I called the social media friends list. I got tired of spoon feeding facts to a small subset of trump supporters. I had as friends the fact they consume their fact by being spoon. Fed really says something. There's a ven diagram somewhere there I learned that if ever another world crisis occurs. My list of trusted folks is a lot smaller than originally thought the same people. That don't wear masks. Because they think everyone else does are the same folks in school group projects that let others do all the work. Oh it's why. I don't like group projects. Okay then diagram again. Yeah i'll give you one my middle finger and the other middle finger coming together in the middle of a circle speaking anyway. I think is this your comes to a close. We'll look forward to twenty twenty one with a vaccine and the and a biden administration we won't dismiss and we don't dismiss all the things that we overcame included as pat tax pictures of my dog river. She's a handful but i love her birthday. Festive winter wear and walking sleeping beauty. Those are the titles of israel. Dalmatians are so pretty. They are so cute. The beautiful dog is. That's like a model dog. It really is gorgeous dog. And i really do like the costumes waking sleeping beauty. i love it so swayed. Thank you for those very much. Next step of got kanai pronouns. He him my girlfriend. And i have been together for a little over a decade so happy to be writing out this pandemic with the love of my life. We went out to pick up some christmas gifts the other day. An editor of the jewelry counter and asked her what kind of bring caught her eye. She pointed to a ridiculous expensive one in. Let me panic for a bit before. Letting me know she was joking then she tried on one. She actually likes and i could afford. And that's how we got engaged to says romances dead. We may end up in amy's court have something petty resolved but we've made it through an entire trump presidency to waves of covid. So we feel like we can make it through anything. This world throws at us note on the picture. That diamond isn't really big. Her fingers are just really dainty. well can i. Maybe you can come on. Amy's court and explain to us why it took you ten years. I'm just saying i'm kidding. congratulations this is wonderful and you know what else dana the guest we had on the show earlier renato. He just asked his girlfriend a very longtime venit very many years to marry him to so. Now they're engaged as well. So congratulations This is wonderful. If you do end up in amy's court we'll go very easy on you. I promise in. That ring is gorgeous. So sweet so sweet. She's very dainty grading two fingers not not a giant diamond dainty the look at his thumb compared to her hand. Find it mentioned. His thumb is the size of her hand. Ladies and gentlemen and people of all ages. it's huge and the hand is tiny. So i can understand where consumers come from but hey makes the diamond bigger all right okay anyway. Thank you all so much for submitting this good news and could end corrections. And if you have any confessions or if you want to submit good news of its personal or political or if you have any stories you wanna tell just wanna get something off your chest. Send them in to us at dilly. Beans pod dot com and click on contact. And that's how you get it done. Sarah anything you wanna stay on her. Way out dana. Yeah i would just really like to thank my listeners today. i don't know what age uselessness doing but i just really wanted to thank my listeners of for tuning in every day to the good news like some of only listen because of you stage left own. She said some more people. Listen because of me. I know but that's how i read it So hopefully oh my god hopefully brought person or to anyway that brought me joy and the thing is is that i have a tendency You know this is. This is your baby and so i was sort of giving credit where credit was due and i guess sometimes it was a nice reminder to of my contributions so thank you for that and made me feel wonderful. And i'm happy to be here. That's it thanks my listeners and thanks to you ag. I'm happy that you're here is well. I appreciate you so much so very much Hugs in love and everyone until tomorrow. Please take care of yourself tomorrow by the way. Ooh ooh tomorrow to full blocks of kathy griffin. She's gonna tell her story. Oh wonderful in her story is i. Don't know if you've seen her if you haven't seen her documentary trust me. You're going to want to after this. Her story is pretty mind blowing. What she went through because of that. Damn mask Yeah and then. Also the covington tweet. So she'll be here to talk to us about that and it's going to be amazing and she's just she's a wonderful lady absolutely love her so we will see that until then please take care of yourself secure take care of your mental health and take care of the planet. I've been h. E. and i've been digi in them. 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Ep. 745 - Donald Trumps Dreams Come True

The Ben Shapiro Show

58:09 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 745 - Donald Trumps Dreams Come True

"Fallout from the mullahs report continues Michael faces down handcuffs, but not the kind that he likes and vice president Pence heads to APEC. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. So there's a lot of news to get to today. There's some breaking news about jussie smollet that we will try to get to if time permits lots and lots of stuff happening, right? This very instant. But before we get any of that. Let's talk about the fact that our federal government is out of control. It's been out of control for a very long time. And it's been out of control because the federal government has essentially been restructured to run roughshod over the checks and balances that were inherent in the constitution of the United States. And this is why I may big believer in calling convention of states where we the people can propose amendments to the constitution to protect the constitution itself from the predations of the federal government that means overreach by the executive branch means over each by the legislative branch. It means the legislative branch cooking too much power to the executive and the executive kicking too much power to the judiciary means congress threatening to undo the power of the judiciary. It's time to protect the constitution. That's why I'm a fan of the convention of states. Can you imagine the look on the faces of members of the federal government when they realized their power has been limited? And that suddenly they have to go. Back to the original founding bargain of limited government. Well, this is what a convention of states can help make happen. In fact, it convention of states may be the only way to get the job done. There are already three point eight million people with us on this more everyday. So join me, and my friend, Mark, Michael or go to convention of states dot com slash bend to sign. The petition today that is convention of states dot com slash bend. Let's reinsuring the constitution centre of American life. Convention of states dot com slash Ben go sign the petition today. Join Mark Mesler and me to help restore constitutional checks and balances convention of states dot com slash Ben. All right. So yesterday, I was not here for our afternoon show for the additional two hours of the show. He kicked it over to the execrable Michael most who had himself a field day. I am told I'll tell you how might they went. So I had an industrial scheduled for a while. And it just turned out that it fell yesterday. And so they gave me some propofol and they put me under to do this daas copy. And when I woke up I saw that Michael vanity was being prosecuted and the icebergs in Greenland growing, and I thought to myself am I still. Under sedation, and did I somehow end up in president from fever dream what exactly happened here because? Wow. Like every twenty minutes. There was a piece of news that was breaking for President Trump in favor of President Trump. Most of yesterday, of course, was consumed with the reaction to the William bar attorney general report on the Muller report. It was a four page summation that we read on the podcast yesterday all about what exactly Muller head found, and it is necessary at this point to point out that the reactions of the people who had over zealously suggested what was in. The report are astonishing to watch. It is astonishing to watch people double down on the confirmation bias that got them here in the first place. And this is unfortunately, a typical human tendency your called out on something that debunks original position. And instead of you starting to reconsider based on the evidence or take the evidence into account. Instead, what you do is you simply doubled down on your original perception of the issue, and you look for excuses as to why this is all somebody else's fault. Now, this does not mean that it is not Larry's because it is indeed hilarious. Most Larry is story of the day comes courtesy of the New York Times. Here's the headline quote disappointed fans of Muller rethink the pedestal. They built for him. It would take a heart of stone. Not to laugh at this quote by SDN, Herndon, and Richard faucet. The sense of morning started to take hold over the weekend. After attorney general William P bar said that Robert has molar to the third the special counsel had not found coordination between President Trump's campaign and the Russian government's election interference twenty sixteen over the nearly two years of the molar investigation. A segment of liberals and activists built up fervent hopes that it would bring Mr. Trump down. They elevated Mr. Muller, a former FBI director into an anti-trump cultural icon, complete with t shirts scented candles and holiday themed songs like we wish you a Miller Christmas for some of them. The report felt like a betrayal to many others. Who was a disappointment. That's a hell of a range of emotional responses there. I mean from betrayal disappointment my goodness. I was hoping the truth would come out said Sean, foster, a forty five year old music video and television producer in national. Mr. foster had taken to wearing a yellow pin showing the top of the special. Prosecutors had rising like a shark from the C Mr. foster said he was wearing the Sunday when Mr. bar summary of the report came out. It's definitely embarrassing. He said it's a drag knowing there are people out there who are gloating. Well, yeah, also, we've all been laughing at you the whole time, dude. It's not just now like the whole time, we've been laughing at you. Now, there's some of us who daily wear funny hats on top of our head because we want to be reminded of the providence of God and the universe. There are some of us who wear shirts that proclaimed political messages, you know, general political messages, and then there are some bus who elevated a person that we did not know anything about and who is just a prosecutor into a national icon in the fervent hope that he would be the dais X MAC and who ended the Trump presidency. It's just wonderful, Jennifer Talbot. Vermont law school professor who would become known for punchy anti-trump cow. Allen's titles like yes, collusion. Now. What said they're definitely people who thought that Muller would save us and my little looked back at them. And he said, no just. Pretty amazing. The media malfeasance here, of course, has been absolutely agree. Gis now are the media admitting to their malfeasance. Of course, they're not how many articles since may twenty seventeen have been published about Russia and Trump slash mower since may twenty seventeen according to axios five hundred thirty three thousand web articles have been published about Trump and Russia generating two hundred forty five million interactions. So the media did all of the election interference that the Russians didn't do in two thousand sixteen. Apparently, there's all according to news whip and on the networks alone the networks alone gave two thousand two hundred eighty four minutes to the Russia probe according to newsbusters. And that's just the networks. Right. Those are the people who have like an hour night to give you the network news. If you go to cable, then you're talking presumably in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of minutes because that's been basically CNN's main programming for the last couple of years, and it's not just that they've been programming the stuff up to do. It's also that they've been breaking false bombshells. For legitimately years on the daily caller has a really good piece about this by amber Athey there. White House correspondent pointing out all the ways in which the media botched the story you'll recall the CNN accused Don, jR, of WikiLeaks collusion shorts last December C N N's maharaja reported that WikiLeaks Email Donald Trump junior to give him access to stolen documents a full ten days before they're released to the public. And then it turns out there. Sources gave them the wrong date down junior received an Email with access to the stolen documents after they'd been released publicly member that ABC tanked the stock market with fake Mike Flynn news ABC was forced to suspend Brian Ross. After he falsely reported that former national security adviser, Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that then candidate Donald Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians. The stock market dropped a few hundred points at the news. But the news turned out to be fake. Now. Here's the thing. You could say this is all just the media getting it wrong. Listen over a daily wire we've had for attract headlines before we've gotten stories wrong. We published legitimately fifty to seventy stories today. And you do that over the course of several years. You're talking about thousands and thousands of stories. The question is in what direction do all the mistakes get made. So at our sites, we're conservative site, we openly acknowledged were conservative site CNN ABC, these are outlets the pretend to be objective, and yet oddly every error they ever make cuts in one direction in one direction. Only how strange you remember that CNN reported that the mooch was under investigation and the got an apology from CNN because the March was not under investigation. First of all was in the administration for grand, total of thirty two seconds. I'm not sure what he would have done in those thirty two seconds to earn an investigation other than being the greatest guest star in the history of Trump. The television show Bloomberg suggested that Deutsche Bank was being zeroed in on by Robert Muller. Jeff Sessions Jeff Sessions was reported had botched protocol CNN said that that he had botched protocol when he didn't list meetings. He had with the Russian ambassador on security clearance forms, but sessions met with them when he was in the. Senate minute you story after story after story. And yet to the media fuel really contrite today. Of course, they don't I mean, people want Pulitzer prizes for this stuff. Guys, people in the media one Pulitzer prizes, the Washington Post and the New York Times won the two thousand eighteen Pulitzer prize for the national reporting of President Trump's alleged collusion with Russia. They received the award. This is townhall reporting for quote, deeply sourced relentlessly reported coverage in the public interest that dramatically furthered the nation's understanding of Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election and its connections to the Trump campaign the president-elect's transition team and his adventure will administration. Deeply sourced. Well, not so much not so much because it turns out that half their stories were sourced incorrectly. There was an article, for example, they published on Jared Kushner, the report talked about Donald Trump junior, Jared, Kushner and Manafort, Paul Manafort meeting with a lawyer connected to the Kremlin in reality. They met with Natalia veselnitskaya who was with fusion GPS the group behind the fake dossier. The Washington Post did the same thing. You'll remember it was the Washington Post reporting the Jeff Sessions had met with Russian ambassador. Sergei Kislyak proving proving that collusion was on the menu. It turns out that sessions about with Kislyak because he sat on the Senate Armed Services committee. The media's malfeasance can be summed up in this one clip from Chris Matthews number Har by as I say, remember, Chris Matthews come into the show rolling in the middle of the mother investigation could Mattis and comes out there comes into the show rose on he says, you know, what I think of an aquatic metaphor aquarium, my wife, Kathleen, the meta we aquarium too much drink as my usual agent. I started thinking. That is starfish. Fez, clam is Muller. Trump go watching more and Trump co added I'm reminded of biology lab back in my sophomore year, LaSalle college, high school, remember the starfish in the clam. I know we dissected one or the other definitely the starfish. More reminds me the starfish which gets itself tight on the clam and use all its stuff that we can impre open the clamp. Now, this is a battle to the death. As far as the clam is concerned if the starfish is able to open him even a little bit. He get him open all the way, and that's it, of course, for the Clem. He's the starfish is lunch. The starfish come. This is how the media relentlessly reported with deeply sourced reporting on Trump and Russia and mouth established a clam guys. Should like highschool ballots you class I failed by the way is sag. But it's okay. Nightmare run and near my funny chair my weird hair. Yeah. Well, done media. So in a second we will show you how the media are so politic about their mistakes. You know, they feel really bad. That's the nice thing is that they have they have really learned their lesson yet not so much. We'll get to that. In just one second. I let us talk about life insurance. So you may be thinking right now that you're laugh fit to die. But you shouldn't do it until you've got life insurance getting life insurance can feel like assembling, the world's worst, jigsaw puzzle. It's confusing. 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You can compare quotes find the right policy and save up to forty percent doing it policy genius. It's the easy way to compare and buy life insurance. Go check them out right now. Policies unions the easy way to compare and buy life insurance. Now, as I say one of the beautiful things about the media is that when they make a mistake, they are happy to acknowledge it. They're really good about acknowledging the mistakes that they've made. So for example, people like Jeff Zucker, right? The head of CNN who came out and said, no, actually, we great CNN president Jeff Zucker, quote, we are not investigators. We are journalists and our role is to report the facts as we know them, which is exactly what we did. Oh, is that what you did? That was now I got it. That's all you were doing you were just reporting the facts as you knew them never mind. There's an entire section of the CNN website called CNN investigates. No, they don't do any investigations. They're just there to report the facts, as they know them like the fact that Trump was Russian Catspaw, and it's not just Jeff Zucker who's defending. Media's behavior in all of this. It's so funny. You remember after twenty sixteen the New York Times ran an editorial in which they said, yeah, we sort of got this whole thing wrong or coverage. If we sorta missed a few things will now self-reflection has become taboo in the media. And so it's no we didn't guys we great. We did great. You know, it's not that. We got a nine hundred honor SAT's is that the test is biased. That's what happened here. So the New York Times writes today after Muller report, news media leaders defend their work by Amy traffic. There have been tipping points and bombshells walls closing in turning points. And there have been so so many declarations of the beginning of the end that comedian John Oliver had recurring satirical, we got him segment on his late night HBO show complete with jubilant marching band and sequin majorettes celebrating President Trump's downfall. But in the swirl of reporting and speculation about the forty fifth president nothing has viewers on the edge of their seats, quite like the special counsel. Robert Muller the third and his investigation into possible ties between Mr. Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign and Russian agents the story line. Had it all Cold War era. Intrigued allegations of shadowy meetings in Moscow and all of the rest, the news media. Got it wrong, obviously. But are they feeling bad about any of this? No, no, no, no. That's silly Zakar said an Email a sitting president's own Justice department investigated his campaign for collusion with a hostile nation. That's not enormous because the media says so that's enormous because it's unprecedented. Well, except if the media coverage helped drive the investigation in the first place Bill grew skin, a professor at the Columbia school of journalism were all journalists. Go said Muller and Barney to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Do we filed charges or don't we journalists don't have that standard? In other words Pulitzer prize winning reports of ledge wrongdoing do not need to provide evidence of criminality in order to be factual newsworthy and relevant to readers. That's not really the question. The question is whether you blew all this out of proportion and suggested that around every corner lay the end of the Trump presidency. Martin Barron executive editor of the Washington Post and quote special counsel investigation documented as we reported ext. Offensive Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election and widespread deceit on the part of certain advisors to the president about Russian context. And other matters. Our job is to bring facts to light others make determinations about prosecutable criminal offenses dean, Beckett executive editor of the times said we wrote a lot about Russia, and I have no regrets. It is not our job to determine whether or not there Zilog -ality. That's right. It isn't. And yet strangely. It seems as though your entire narrative is that the president was about to be impeached. How strange they're two types of bias. There's bias in how you cover a story. And then there is selection bias, and what you choose to cover and the media demonstrated. Both here I'm gonna show you case in point Chris Cuomo over at CNN so case in point Chris Cuomo over at CNN, here's a flashback is a month ago. He said the President Trump would certainly be under pressure after the mullahs report. This was not Dettori lasting this objective. News affiliation. Journalists at the highest level. Chris Cuomo journalism journalists Ming over everyone this block of wood the less smart of the Cuomo brothers, which. Hell of a statement here. He was a month ago saying that President Trump would be undone bended on under pressure. This is going to be an especially chaotic time is president will be under pressure. And all likelihood like he's never been before. Now because he's going to be removed and cuffs, but because almost certainly is not going to like things in the report. But get ready storm is coming expect the president and his allies to throw everything they have you to make as much noise as possible to distract office skate and expect those who seek advantage in any negative information to spin it fast and hard as well. Okay. We'll spinning fast in hard is actually Chris Cuomo's main job it's yesterday Rudy Giuliani. Call them out on this. He said, maybe you should apologize for coverage. And Chris Cuomo's like me. May I'm I'm I'm great. I'm the best journalist you've ever seen. I've journalists over everyone everywhere. Here's Chris Cuomo defending his dumbness, you guys. Yes network. What if I don't have torture? This man for two years with collusion and nobody's apologize. There before we talk about obstr-. There was polish is for the overreaction solution now to check of course, you're not not a chance you be fair. No, please. You know, better than that. You don't know better. I am outraged by the behavior of these networks, okay, collusion, collusion, collusion collusion. Collusion's solution. No columbia. Here's my here's. Here's my case holidays. Never. Here's my never never. I didn't do anything wrong. These questions are real. I think it'd be regarded as such reason they needed to be invested. Oh, well, oh, Well, Chris Cuomo's had nothing to apologize for guys nothing. They're total coverage over at CNN has if you watch CNN you have come down on either side of the issue, either Trump was trader or he was also a traitor. Those were the two sides of the issue that you could have come down on. If you read. Watch CNN. I know because it was on at the gym all the time while I was working out. So it's not like, I've never watched CNN. Okay. I watch CNN for two years do this routine. And yet the media are they going to take an introspective look, and maybe maybe whether they audit provided a couple of different perspectives. Maybe whether they ought to take an a breath before they reported that the president was probably in league with Lattimore Putin. Maybe they should have stopped acting. So overwhelmingly excited every time they appeared on TV with the new piece of bombshell. Breaking news, maybe enough. They're not gonna do any of those things. The best example of of confirmation bias at work was on the view yesterday. Because the members of the U like joy Behar are the bumper sticker version of CNN, th they're the sort of people who do wear Muller pins around the office. Here is joy Behar beside herself yesterday. She couldn't deal with the fact that the mullahs report had not been everything that she had hoped that it would be I have questions about structure. Why did he why did he keep his conversations? Pu with Putin secret those little questions that sound like obstruction to me. So I don't buy that. He's completely of exonerated the way. He just said he says he's completely. On party bashing him up on that. I'm reluctant to talk about it at all. Because you know, we don't know anything, and we have not seen this report. So I think everybody needs to pump the brakes when we talk about this being a huge victory for this administration. Because we don't know anything like today's ago, we knew everything we knew that Trump was a traitor now, we don't know anything. We got a hold up guys. We got a hold up. You remember they did the exact same thing with jussie smollet as soon as Jesse smell it came out with his story. It was you know, this is evidence of American racism deep-seated. Brutal. American racism same thing with Covington high school. This is evidence of deep seated brutal, American racism, and the fact started to leak out it was you know, got into. Let's let's wait a minute. Let's let's hold up. Let's make up our minds after we see all the evidence. It's always interesting to see when people say, let's wait for the evidence. And when people are willing to jump beyond the evidence at hand always very interesting because it is a good way of revealing bias every human being has a has a tendency toward this stuff. But the media are over. Womanly biased in one direction. Now, I will say that. The media's bias is not any shock to me. I think that the the greatest shock to me is the continuing malfeasance I mean through mouth seasons of high ranking members of the intelligence community is severely disquieting to me that so many high ranking members of the Obama intelligence community. These are people who are supposed to be tasked with protecting us from terrorism protecting us from threats foreign and domestic that these folks are so politically biased that they went on television night after night proclaiming that the elected president of the United States is a traitor, and that would be proved to be a trader with no evidence. None. I mean John Brennan before her head of the under Barack Obama. He was head of the when the Trump Russia investigation was initiated. He was on MSNBC last night after spending legitimately two years proclaiming that he had secret knowledge that President Trump had committed some nefarious act of treason us on MSNBC last night. He said, oh, well, you know, my mistake. I guess I mean, like, I just you know, I guess I thought there was more than there actually was. Was a well received benef- mission. But I think I suspected that. There was more than there actually was. And I I am relieved that has been determined that. There was not a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government over our election. I think that is good news for the country by still point to things that we've done publicly or efforts to try to have conversations the Russians that were inappropriate. But I'm not all that surprised that the high bar of conspiracy was not met a what was he doing? You know, it just that's been the last couple of years suggesting from my perch at the top of one America's foremost intelligence agencies using the expertise that comes along with that position proclaiming that the president is a traitor to the United States. I guess I just got a little out ahead of myself. You know, it's it's understandable, really to call the president of the elected president a traitor. You know, we're investigative during the campaign on the basis of scanty to no evidence. But sure, you know, everybody makes mistakes dies. It's not just John Brennan. A former F B I official named Chuck Rosenberg was on meet the press, and he said that molars decision not to come to a conclusion on obstruction strikes me as a little bit curious because prosecutors get paid to make determinations and recommendations or perhaps he didn't have the evidence to determine whether or not obstruction took place. But now we've got a former FBI official using the expertise of his position to proclaim that maybe something nefarious going on there. And it doesn't stop there. I I don't know how we are supposed to trust our intelligence community when they're so obviously thoroughly politicized. I'm talking the top level people. It's funny at every major American institution there the level people who actually do a lot of the day to day work. Those are the ones who are trying to track down crime stop terrorism. And then there the political officials were appointed. And they're supposed to be granted this patina of expertise legitimacy. Well, they have blown it. I mean, absolutely blown it. I will show you more evidence of that momentarily. First. Let's talk about how you can hire. Better. You shouldn't hire somebody like John Brennan or James Clapper should hire somebody competent. And that's why you ought to have. Ziprecruiter. Hiring is challenging there's one place. You can go were hiring simple fast. And smart. It's a place where growing businesses. Connect so qualified candidates that place ZipRecruiter dot com slash daily. Wire. Ziprecruiter sends your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology. 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The former head the former director of national intelligence under Barack Obama who has spent two years proclaiming loudly and proudly that June was impending for President Trump that we were moments away from the end of the Trump administration will hear he was yesterday saying no regrets. No Gertz guys here. He was do you regret? Anything? You have said in terms of raising questions about the president's behavior or some of the things. The president's donor said. No, I don't and I have put that in writing in my book as well. I have I have concerns in as do others. And I have tried to be factual temperate modern about it. But but I do have concerns, and no, I don't have any roots. He has been no regards. He's getting a tattoo right across his neck. It says no regrets invade good stuff there from from James Clapper people who use that legitimacy as former heads our intelligence agencies to proclaim nonsense for two years. It should make us ask questions about whether the heads of our intelligence agencies ought to be trusted. Like, I'm a fan of a lot of folks at the FBI. I have friends who are in the FBI. I'm fan of a lot of folks at the CIA. I think they're doing really important and good work. But it makes me question the competence of the heads of these intelligence agencies when they spend two years being openly political and we were supposed to pretend that they were not political when they were Obama administered. Appointees that when they were working for Obama. They were absolutely a political. They were not politicizing the intelligence agencies they headed and then they spend the next two years. Just spouting absolute bullcrap on national TV. And then they repulsed is for. No, you know, we were just misinformed. We're just misinformed. If Democrats have been doing the same routine now, many of the Democrats are trying to kind of quietly brush pass this. You're seeing Nancy Pelosi say, listen, I think we're done here. Right. There's there's no more to see here. Many of the democratic twenty twenty twenty candidates are just remaining silent on this entire issue. Meanwhile, their backup plan is to proclaim that they don't have the full Muller reports. They can't make a judgement on any of this stuff. Six democratic committee chairs in the house. According to NBC news sent a letter to attorney general William bar on Monday requesting that he submitted the full report from the special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation to congress by April second, which would be the beginning of next week. They say his summary is not sufficient for congress. That's true. But he's going to have to redact presumably, some material from thousands of pages under federal criminal regulations. There's criminal procedure federal civil procedure rules in under criminal procedure federal procedure roles. Six is the one that was cited by by by William bar in his letter. He has to redact information because otherwise it's illegal, otherwise he could be committing a criminal violation. And so the Republicans voted down a proposal to force him to release the entire report forthwith. He's gonna release this stuff. It's going to confirm all the stuff that we already know it will talk about the Trump Tower meeting. It'll talk about connections between Mike Flynn and members of the Russian government when he was the incoming NSA. It'll be all the stuff that we already know. And then it will be the conclusions that bar has laid forth. This thing is over. Okay. It is unless there are some berry bombshell that I think Mullah probably would leaked by now considering how much play this has gotten. This thing is over and Democrats can't accept it. The dumbest Senator in the democratic caucus has maisy Hirono from Hawaii who's proved herself to be absolutely feckless and terrible over the past few years. She says, you know, who's happy today. Vladimir Putin is happy today because pootie-poot he's got his man in the White House and moa missed it. How does she know? 'cause she's maisy Hirono gumshoe sleuth. She's encyclopedia Brown of the Senate. Just because there was not enough evidence for criminal charge of conspiracy. Does not mean that this very cozy relationship that Donald Trump has with Putin. Who by the way, must be really happy that this came about this kind of close relationship that is not good for our country in that. It's not transparent. We'll continue. Okay. Yeah. I'm sure that's it. I'm sure that bladder. Putin is secretly now working with Trump. That's what it is. The doubling down is really astonishing Sheldon Whitehouse, the Senator from Delaware. He said the same thing he says, you know, Muller just didn't have enough power. That's the real problem. Here is. Didn't have enough power. The you think it makes sense for Bob Marley, Spence two years. Trying to serve the truth and the Justice here to turn it over to a guy who just got appointed attorney general to make a ruling on the final ruling on the issue of obstruction of Justice. No because the whole purpose of special counsel is somebody make prosecutive divisions outside of politics. So to take the prosecutor decision and handed back to the top political appointee in the office. If eats the whole purpose of being special counsel. Oh, is that what it is Sheldon Whitehouse, by the way from Rhode Island, not Delaware there. He is on Chris Matthews make net idiotic points in. No, the DOJ is charged with prosecution Muller gets to decide whether he feels that. There is enough evidence to warrant prosecution or not he said he didn't really have a judgment when it came to obstruction of Justice because Trump had said a lot of things, and then the G has to decide whether to prosecute or not. That's normally the way that this works the legal. The legal imbecilities of Sheldon Whitehouse, his comments. They're pretty obvious. Elizabeth Warren who has just become like again, I knew Senator warned when she was a professor at Harvard Law School, not well, but we'd had a couple of interactions. Everybody at the at the law school knew about her shoes actually, an interesting person back then now she has basically just become Bernie Sanders with native American background. So here she was explaining that, the real problem here is attorney general bar on Stephen Colbert, who hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, I mean, he's just looking hopefully until Elizabeth Warren is they as they lock eyes and dream of the day that Robert Muller comes back come there. Like the kid at the end of Shane crime plaintively out to the planes. Shane come back Robert comeback. Here's Colbert and Warren's wing that routine. Do you trust bars judgment on obstruction here? No. Shouldn't you shouldn't have to ask me if I trust it? We should see the whole report when we see the whole report will know what the basis is the decision. Yeah. There's still hope guys. We're going to impeach him based on obstruction. But the entire democratic leadership Pelosi Schumer like, yeah, we're probably not going to do any of that stuff. Now are any of the Democrats backing down from their overall points? No, Cory Booker Spartacus mcface over here. He was asked whether he would correct his claims that there was Trump Russia collusion. He says me correct claims. No. No, real collusion. Going on. You said the, you know have to revise that to say not chargeable collusion. Again, when I have a Torney general who in my opinion is suspect filtering a report that I have not seen. I'm not willing to conclude anything yet based upon a letter that he wrote. Okay. So then then that's you know, he's not gonna rush retract anything. Not at all not at all teams from has reacted to all of this. And they've reacted with the proper outrage and Kellyanne Conway called on Adam Schiff who has set up an actual pup tent inside the CNN headquarters. He's now been forced to Vic like a homeless person under Rudy Giuliani time square. Adam Schiff is now living on the streets wants more walking around with a sign that says the end is near collusion collusion. So Kellyanne Conway says about Adam Schiff. Yeah. That guy should resign from the intelligence committee. He's a joke. This is correct. You Adam Schiff talk about an oxymoron this man heads the intelligence committee in the house. He said, quote, he believed that the scandal was a size and scope, probably bigger than Watergate. And there's plenty of evidence of collusion. He ought to resign today. You're saying that we did not win fairly and squarely you in fact, running around jutting your jaw out and saying I'm worried about the effect on the institutions you disparaging institutions, you were demeaning and deriding our great democracy, the presidency, the United States, Adam shift should resign. She is correct about this. And as you know, I've been very critical of Kellyanne Conway for being an over the top lackey for the Trump administration. Well, she is not wrong on this one and the second we're gonna talk about Trump's got even better. There was a cherry on top of the ice cream that that was provided by a man named Michael avenue. Audie who's turned out to be just the best thing that ever happened to Donald Trump. We'll talk about it in just one second. I are going to have to go over to daily wire dot com and subscribe for nine ninety nine a month. You can get a subscription daily wire. You know, what you get with that? 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Now, I do have to note that when we say it was his winning this day, not politically, right? Not in terms of conservative priorities. But in terms of the showed and Freud of watching the entire left collapse in on itself. Like a dying star yesterday was pretty spectacular. So the truth is Trump was elected to spit in the eye of the radical left, and he is done that repeatedly. And that's been very satisfying for a lot of members of his base. If you're a member of Trump's base yesterday was pretty much the best you've had since your first child was born is pretty big tackler because not only was from cleared on the collusion stuff. Not only to the media have to look themselves in the mirror, and then ignore what they saw. But also, Michael Evans AMAN champion is a possible. Twenty twenty candidate. You know, the lawyer the lawyer for stormy Daniels, he was a fighter hashtag Busta. Michael Abernathy man who appeared on the view and said that he wanted. It to see President Trump. Marshon handcuffs, not only that he said his sexual fantasies included handcuffs. Always here's what he had to say on the view, all of my sexual fantasies involves handcuffs. Oh. And it looks like she's just going to vomit all over the proper response there from Megan McCain it's out that he's going to enjoy his sexual Hennessy's for awhile here because they frog marching somebody out. Ain't trump. It's Mike Levin. Ati best story that I so good. So. He was arrested was arrested because he tried to extort Nike stand for something. Even if it means going to jail for extortion. Solid stuff there a federal magistrate judge in New York. Order to have an ATI released on three hundred thousand dollars bond in cases, alleging that he embezzled money from clients and tried to extort millions of dollars from Nike, and then he claims, no, no, no. He was just standing up with the people also implicated just to make this even better was Mark goes Mark era goes the celebrity attorney for jussie smollet was named as a co-conspirator in a case accusing lawyer Michael Nadi of trying to extort Nike both of these guys were CNN contributors. Remember when the media didn't have anything to apologize for avenue. Fifty nine times in one month during one period a couple of like a year ago. The there was a picture of him with Don lemon. Celebrate yukking it up and Chris Cuomo the whole gang over at CNN. Michael Johnny was the guy. He was he was he was gonna fight president from to the end. And now Michael have. Nadi is probably going to drill. He is probably going to show because he's an idiot. It turns out. I honestly, I I didn't come up with this. But it is the best description. Michael avenue is the Jacob. Whoa. Of Michael Collins. It's just spectacular. Michael Noddy turns out to be the most incompetent doofus maybe in legal history. So here's what he tried to do. He tried to go to Nike and then blackmail them with information about how a Representative of Nike had been paying off recruits to use their shoes or something. But he was not quite that discreet about a first. He went to them. He went to Nike, and he said that he represented AAU coach who seem it. Previously had a contractual relationship with Nike, but whose contract Nike had recently decided not for new according to avenue his client had evidence that one or more Nike employees had authorized and funded payments to the families of top high school basketball players and their families and attempted to conceal those payments similar to conduct involving rival company that had recently been the subject of criminal prosecution avenue. He said he planned to hold the press conference the following day to publicize the asserted misconduct at Nike. He said he had approached Nike now because he knew that the NCW tournament was about to begin. And he knew that their quarterly earnings. Call was scheduled for March twenty first thus maximizing the potential financial and reputational damage his press conference could cost to ninety. He said that he would let it go. If Nike paid his client one point five million dollars and then hire avenue to conduct an internal investigation of Nike with the provision that of Nike hired another firm to conduct such an internal investigation Nike would still be required to pay at least twice the fees of any other firm hired. So then the attorney for Nike called up the cops. And they said, okay, let's have a meeting. Let's meeting so Evan ATI showed up to the meeting. And then repeated all of this in front of law enforcement apparently is the allegation, and this is what he did he such a he's such an idiot thug avenue de reiterated threats made during the previous in person meeting. I guess he do this over the phone. Along with his demand for a multi-million dollar retainer. And he said he wanted to be paid at least ten million dollars and leave the bag of money in the parking lot in particular avenue. Stated quote, I'm not f ING around with this. And I'm not continuing to play games, you guys know enough now to know, you've got a serious problem. And it's worth more exposure to me to just blow the lid on this thing. A few million dollars doesn't move the needle for me. I'm just being really Frank with you. So if you if that's what if that's what speaking contemplated, then let's just say, it was good to meet you when we're done and I'll proceed with my press conference tomorrow, I'm not f ING around with this thing anymore. So if you guys think, you know, you're gonna negotiate a million five and you're going to hire us to do an internal investigation, but it's going to be capped at three or five or seven million dollars. Let's just be done. I'll go and I'll take ten billion dollars off your clients market cap. I'm not around, and then he said that he had the, and then he said another meeting where apparently he said the exact same thing. And at one point he suggested that he would quote unquote, cut cut off their their balls. This is a quote from Michael avenue. He's he's so wonderful. Michael have an ATI say. All of this in front of while he's being recorded apparently by law enforcement, so tall going. Great for Michael Avedon. It was so bad that stormy Daniels dumped on him. I mean, not like that guy's stormy Daniels. Put out a statement, quote, knowing what I know about Michael avenue. I'm saddened but not shocked by news reports. He's made that he has been criminally charged today. Well, when stormy Daniels is now dumping on her own lawyer, a person she calls, Michael Angelo of the legal Michelangelo of legal profession, you know, things have gone bad. So grey day for President Trump and Michael avenue remains a he's got a problem. He's got a problem. He's going to get to fulfill all his sexual fetishes soon. Enough in prison. The the reality show. We didn't know we needed as Michael avenue taking Jacob law school in prison. Meanwhile, breaking news prosecutors have dropped charges against jussie smollet. The empire actor is supposed to forfeit ten thousand dollars bond payment and have the records in the case sealed sealed just over a month after he was charged. Does that sound like? Privilege to you that tells like privilege to me now, I've been told that the only privilege the matters in America is white privilege. But it turns out that if you fake a hate crime. You'll remember the jussie smollet faked a hate crime. He pretended that he was Garrod by a couple of Trump supporting maga- headed idiots in the middle of Chicago at three AM who were shouting. This is mad the country in the middle of the polar vortex. The good news was just he never lost his subway sandwich who's holding onto that subway sandwich. Forever. It turns out the entire thing was a hoax. It costs. Probably hundreds of thousands of dollars to Chicago PD to investigate this stuff. Hundreds of man hours that could have been spent on, you know, actual crimes is going to be charged with anything. Nope. They've dropped all the charges. They say he already did community service. According to the smell at defense team. The community service was done prior for something not related to this case. Just stupid garbage stupid garbage from the prosecutors. I mean, honestly, the federal the federal prosecutors ought to go after him a nail him to the wall. This is insane accord. To the Cook County prosecutor's office who apparently the reports that they were interfering even in the investigation, if the Cook County prosecutors were deeply afraid this was going to go out eventually went they they put out a statement, quote after reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. smollet, volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the city of Chicago. We believe this outcome is just disposition and appropriate resolution. Absolute crap absolute nonsense, his record has been wiped clean wiped clean. They're not even going to have a record of him pleading guilty to something like this their statement today. Oh criminal charges against jussie. Smollet were dropped his record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaints against them. This is the statement of his defense attorneys jussie was attacked by two people. He was enabled to identify on January twenty ninth. He was a victim who was vilified and made to appear as a perpetrator as a result of false and inappropriate remarks made to the public causing an inappropriate rush to judgment jussie and many others. Were hurt by these unfair and unwarranted actions. This entire situation is reminder. There should never be an attempt to prove case in the court of public opinion that is wrong. Jussie smollet was not a victim. He faked by every piece of evidence, a hate crime this absurdity at the highest highest level. Just amazing and just growth Dory. Guys. The Justice department in Chicago is doing its best the the criminal Justice. I mean, if you are the head you have just got to be enraged, right? If you are a if you are head of the Chicago police superintendent of the Chicago police department who came out with all the evidence you have got to be fighting mad today. Smolin continues to insist that he was innocent that statement from his attorneys is of course, a lie. Smollet was originally sited on sixteen felony counts for falsely reporting a hate crime by a grand jury, and the charges were summarily dropped because the guy is a celebrity, and because he has connections inside the prosecutor's office is the best possible guests here federal prosecutors should now move forward full-scale with prosecuting him that should be the next move. We'll bring you more information as a breaks. Meanwhile, over at APEC, it's really interesting gap is breaking out in the Democratic Party. So Mike Pence the vice president of the United States spoke at the American Israel Public affairs conference. This happens every year, it's a huge event. Tens of thousands of people show up on people from synagogues all around the country because a pack is the pro is a pro Israel lobbying organization. They don't spend they don't give money to candidates or anything, but they do spend an awful lot of time talking to various members of congress and Mike Pence went directly after Representative Ilhan, Omar and the burgeoning anti-semitism inside the Democratic Party. Antisemitism has no place in the congress of the United. States of America. And at a minimum anyone who slanders those who support this historic alliance between the United States and Israel should never have a seat on the foreign affairs committee of the United States house of Representative. Of course, all of that is true when that was hilarious as members of the media, pretending like, Omar had never done any of this stuff. It saying oh, look pens getting getting old partisan about this on the foreign affairs committee is an open anti Semite. She's a democrat the Democrats decided to cover for her. It wasn't Mike Pence made this partisan. It wasn't BB Netanyahu made this partisan. It was Democrats who made this partisan. Now, I do have to give props today to Steininger Hoyer, the house minority the house majority whip he came out and essentially by name blasted Ilhan. Omar, this takes some spine spine. The Nancy Pelosi doesn't have here was Steinhorn doing the right thing and coming after Ohio mar sadly should have done this. When it was up for debate in the house. He didn't then. But at least he's doing it now better late than never someone accuses American supporters of dual loyalty assay accused me. So let's have debates on policy instead of impugning the loyalty of Israel's supporters. Pose those who pushed for boycotts developments and sanctions against Israel, by the way, there are sixty two freshman Democrats. You hear me sixty two not three it. Good for him. I mean, that's him calling out Ilhan, Omar, he's the house majority leader sorry, not the whip. That was a far cry from Nancy Pelosi who speaking apex said. Generally, she's against anti-semitism. No specific words with regards to Ilhan, Omar. Because again, she is a coward. Sonny Hoyer apparently is not her cowardice. However rules the day in the Democratic Party. This man. The full house came together condemn the antisemitic myth of dual loyalty and all forms of bigotry with a resolution that quote rejects the perpetuation of antisemitic stereotypes in the United States and around the world, including the pernicious myth of dual loyalty and foreign allegiance, especially in the context of support for the United States Israel alliance any of the guts, actually, come out against Tamar in any of this. And now, it'd be a very good time. It turns out to be an Israel support or considering the KamAz randomly firing rockets into the middle of civilian centers in Israel, and HAMAs an evil disgusting vicious terrorist group that is interested in wiping every Jew out of the Middle East. If not I'll cross the face of the world, and the Democrats couldn't condemn Anamar. They could not do it. That is not the by the way, BB Netanyahu spoke at a pack as well. And he went after Illinois directly. Here's what he had to say. From this Benjamin, it's not about the. Wins. The reason the people of America is not because they want our money. It's because they share our values that just don't get it. It's because America and Israel Schiro love of freedom and democracy. And of course, that's true. L Hunnam are promptly tweeted back in. It's now who well you're under indictment for corruption. So obviously, it is about the Benjamins the words of a woman who's truly contrite about her anti-semitism. Again, wasn't the right that made Israel a partisan issue is the Democrats who decided to break with Israel at least, dining Hoyer, and some Democrats are now saying the right things even if they're too cowardly to do. So in public when it actually counts. Okay. Time for some things. I like, and then we'll do some things that I hate. So things that I like today there is a new movie that is how video-on-demand that is actually a good movie. It's really good movie. The the it's called drag across concrete the guy who directed it. I'm trying to remember his name. I believe Zoeller, and he has made some really kind of weird and interesting movies as Craig's our he made. Bone Tomahawk, which weird and interesting movie. This movie is essentially about two cops who are booted from the forest. They are suspended from the police force for not really racism, a kind of excessive force, and they are called racist in the process, even though they were not being racist at the time. And then they decide that they are going to rob a criminal. They're going to rob a criminal to make money they can support themselves. The movie has been characterized as reactionary it probably is in the same vein is death. Wish it's worth watching. It doesn't move very fast. But it is it is very powerful. It's good. It's good stuff. There's recent in this task running things you're out there with a partner in this twenty years younger than you. And he's got a mouth with his own engine. But he solid thinking about the future. I can offer my girlfriend puffs his yesterday. Who ain't worth words? Evanston praised represents was a weight upon us. Thank you, Mr. Lincoln isle like doing things for so many question marks everywhere. Is the movie is extraordinarily brutal. But it's got a couple of it's got a couple of notes that are super conservative that are pretty astonishing. So go check it out dragged across concretes available on Amazon prime video on demand. I it's really good. Mel Gibson is terrific in it. He really is. I mean, it's a part that fits, Vince. Vaughn is very good as well. So go check out dragged across concrete well worth the watch. Okay. Other things that I like today. So this is just hilarious, quote, a major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on earth is growing. Again. A new NASA study finds this. According to NBC news, the Jacob Sean glacier around. Twenty twelve retreating about one point eight miles and thinning nearly one hundred thirty annually, but it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years. According to a study in Monday's nature. Geoscience study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary. That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system said Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientists Jason box. The good news is it's a reminder that is not necessary. Early going that fast. But it is going. So they keep suggesting that it is continuing to go. But they were surprised by all of this wasn't maybe in the long term their estimates. Continued to be correct. But it is weird. How climate scientists keep getting surprised by the data every so often? Now, I'm not saying this is somebody who denies the climate changes taking place. I've said many times before that the IPC estimates when it comes to climate change. I'm fine with accepting those I don't have a general problem with all of that. However, when your computer modeling is wrong, so often you might need to think about your predictive capacity because the IPCC report does have a range of possibilities that it offers and the IPC report has consistently overestimated, the amount of global warming that they thought was going to take place, particularly the upper end of that estimate. Okay. Time for a couple of things that I hate. So in the aftermath of proving that President Trump was Russian tool. Now, the New York Times is onto proving the God doesn't exist. That's exciting. They have an opinion piece by philosophy professor named Peter additon. His a professor of philosophy at San